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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine about a huge new database of school achievement test scores that answers the old question: Is there any single place in America where blacks (0r Hispanics) outscore whites on cognitive tests?

Crevasses in the Classroom
by Steve Sailer
May 04, 2016

Where are racial gaps in school test scores worst? Ironically, where liberals are most dominant.

The new national database of school-district test scores created by education researchers at Stanford and Harvard reveals that the single widest white-black racial gap in American public school districts is in the city most synonymous with leftism since 1964: Berkeley, California.

How badly do blacks lag whites in Berkeley public schools? Berkeley’s white-black gap is 1.60 standard deviations. In other words, the median black student would score at only the 5th percentile if he were white.

Yet, Berkeley is ferociously antiracist. It was the first to have a Black Studies Department at the high school level. In the 2012 election, Berkeley voted for Obama over Romney 90 to 5. Berkeley Unified school-district administrators obsess over any data showing that black students get punished more than other races.

Still, the racial gap is bigger in Berkeley than anywhere else. …

The worst white-black gaps tend to be found in old-money liberal towns like Berkeley, Chapel Hill, Shaker Heights, Asheville, and Evanston (the five worst examples of racial inequality in America according to the new Stanford test score database) that can afford a lot of liberal white guilt, which attracts black welfare moms.

Read the whole thing there.

The examples where NAMs score above or just below whites are pretty funny.

I also point out the school district where blacks and Hispanics score highest in all of America, which is pretty ironic.

I love writing these kind of articles where I take an academic’s database, re-sort it, and point out what’s really going on.

 
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  1. In the dark days of the 19th century, when women and minorities were hunted for sport and everybody was wrong about everything, a situation being exactly the same all over the world would have led to scientific conclusions.

    • Agree: International Jew
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @kihowi

    "A practice of Gypsy hunting was quite common—a game very similar to fox hunting. Even as late as 1835, there was a Gypsy hunt in Jutland (Denmark) that brought in a bag of over 260 men, women and children."

    ---Gypsies of the White Mountains: History of a Nomadic Culture

    Replies: @Tex, @Buffalo Joe, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Pericles

  2. “The Frisco school district “looks like America” more than just about any other: It’s 11% black, 14% Hispanic, 11% Asian, and 59% white. That’s diversity”

    Social Justice Warriors will complain that 59 percent White is still way too White. True racial diversity for them is a school district that is either less than 1 percent White or the percentage of White students is in the low single digits at the most.

  3. A disproportionate number of White students in Berkeley are Jews, which widens the White-Black racial gap in test scores even more.

  4. I happen to know a bit about local politics in Chapel Hill. A few years ago i remember there being a huge controversy because parents opposed a plan to bus kids from the bad school districts to the better ones. It was hilarious because it is one of the most liberal towns in the country but they refused to damage their precious schools

    Nearby Wake county (Raleigh) by contrast is an utter spider web of busing and redistricting. When people buy houses they never know what district they will be zoned to in any given year. A few years ago it made national news when the school board was taken over by some tea party guys on the promise of ending busing and restoring neighborhood schools – like the kind they have in Chapel Hill.

    Liberals are very good at taking care of their own

    • Replies: @utu
    @RamonaQ

    "Liberals are very good at taking care of their own" -It is a Jewish trait.

    , @Anonymous
    @RamonaQ

    "Liberals are very good at taking care of their own"

    They've got a clever way with language that makes it hard to tell what they're really doing.

  5. Normally I’m not a fact-checking Nazi, but I’ve got to stick up for one of my alma mater’s most famous alums: It’s “Homer” Hickam, not Horace.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    I wondered about that "Horace," but I couldn't remember the correct name beginning with H.

  6. Ironically, even with the power of the Cook County Democratic Machine and it being a very blue collar East European ethnic kind of place, Cicero, Illinois has been a solidly Republican town since the days of Big Bill Thompson in the 1920’s.

    • Replies: @JimL
    @Mike Zwick

    Its now overwhelmingly Hispanic and votes around 80% Democrat for President. They must not have received the "Natural Conservatives" memo

  7. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    People here like to claim that liberals are hypocrites for avoiding diversity. However, the tendency of true left wing towns to welcome with open arms poor blacks for decades shows that those lefties have real dedication to diversity. It’s the people in culturally liberal affluent places like the Upper East Side that give lip service to diversity.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Anonymous


    the tendency of true left wing towns to welcome with open arms poor blacks for decades shows that those lefties have real dedication to diversity.
     
    These are stupid leftists. There are plenty of those, but most lefties inflict their enlightened racial beliefs on other people.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

    , @Forbes
    @Anonymous

    If you're gonna criticize Manhattan, at least get the correct location of Moscow on the Hudson--it's the Upper West Side.

    , @a Newsreader
    @Anonymous

    I think the issue with college towns vs. cities is that college towns have such a low population that there is only one school district, whereas cities have multiple school districts to allow informal segregation. So the cities have just as many poor blacks per capita, but they are shunted into their own schools away from the children of the leftist intelligentsia.

    Replies: @Triumph104

  8. @kihowi
    In the dark days of the 19th century, when women and minorities were hunted for sport and everybody was wrong about everything, a situation being exactly the same all over the world would have led to scientific conclusions.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “A practice of Gypsy hunting was quite common—a game very similar to fox hunting. Even as late as 1835, there was a Gypsy hunt in Jutland (Denmark) that brought in a bag of over 260 men, women and children.”

    —Gypsies of the White Mountains: History of a Nomadic Culture

    • Replies: @Tex
    @Anonymous

    Would you by any chance have a source for that claim? If you could point me to the documentation of the incident, I'd love to research it more deeply. Thanks -Tex

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Anonymous

    Anonymous, Did they mount them or eat them ? No use wasting all that meat. And what is the bag limit on Gypsies?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Anonymous

    They got 260 Gypsies?

    Very nice, high five.

    , @Pericles
    @Anonymous

    260 foxes is a record take for a hunt. I'm most curious of what people got to play the foxhounds though. And who was the Master of Hounds? Or maybe it's a bad simile or just BS.

    These stories always make me recall that Adam Smith actually was abducted by gypsies at a young age.


    In Life of Adam Smith, Rae writes, "In his fourth year, while on a visit to his grandfather's house at Strathendry on the banks of the Leven, [Smith] was stolen by a passing band of gypsies, and for a time could not be found. But presently a gentleman arrived who had met a gypsy woman a few miles down the road carrying a child that was crying piteously. Scouts were immediately dispatched in the direction indicated, and they came upon the woman in Leslie wood. As soon as she saw them she threw her burden down and escaped, and the child was brought back to his mother. [Smith] would have made, I fear, a poor gypsy."
     
    (Wikipedia)
  9. I understand that not all the information is available, but it looks like most of the large gaps were created by smart white students. Do we know how much below the average blacks scored in those areas?

    Further , do the policies in those areas attract handout-seeking and dumber blacks or do the policies actually contribute to the poorer education?

    Great article, btw.

  10. I think a lot of educators instinctively know this even if it is never vocalized – hence the hatred of No Child Left Behind and the goal of getting minority students to perform the same on standardized tests as white kids. They knew this would be an impossible goal to realize and that teachers are a convenient scapegoat for underperforming kids, rather than their parents or communities.

    I seem to recall a few years back DC proposed abandoning equalizing white and black test scores and just focus on how much of a percentage increase black students could achieve over past benchmarks. It was accompanied with the usual comments about privilege, private tutors, and so on (I honestly don’t know any parents who use private tutors), but it was a surprisingly realistic perspective about what is possible.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Arclight

    Steve has proposed this goal : to raise everyone's scores by half a standard deviation. After all, if the proposed policies (student integration, teacher training, teacher quality, teaching methods, curriculum, Common Core standards, project-based group work etc.) really improve learning outcomes then everyone's test scores will rise, not only NAMs.
    Everyone gains but the gap remains.

  11. Clearly, the people at Berkeley are just not progressive enough. If they just become a little more liberal; just try a few more New! and Improved! things, they could close the gap…

  12. From your article:
    “Something similar has happened in the city with the second-smallest white-black gap, Detroit, where the public schools are now only 3 percent white, and five out of every eight white children left in Detroit live in poverty.”

    I think many of the “whites” in Detroit schools are middle eastern, though I wouldn’t doubt that the few Euro-whites are not performing particularly well relative to national means.

    • Replies: @Langley
    @Perspective

    "Something similar has happened in the city with the second-smallest white-black gap, Detroit, where the public schools are now only 3 percent white, and five out of every eight white children left in Detroit live in poverty.”

    La Griffe has looked at this too:


    THE EFFECT OF URBAN FLIGHT
    ON IQ DISTRIBUTION
    http://lagriffedulion.f2s.com/city.htm

    , @Jefferson
    @Perspective

    "I think many of the “whites” in Detroit schools are middle eastern,"

    A lot of Arabs in Detroit are from Egypt and Yemen, who make Italians, Greeks, and Jews look like Northern Europeans in comprison. Egyptians and Yemenis are among the Brownest Arabs.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Paul Jolliffe
    @Perspective

    Having been a public school teacher in both Detroit and Richmond CA (just up the road from Berkeley), and currently a teacher in truly one of the nation's most diverse districts anywhere, I count myself as an absolute authority on all things public schooley:

    Chaldean-Americans (Middle-Eastern Iraqi Christians with an incredible amount of ethnocentric tribalism and Old-World conspiracy-mongering thrown in) make up a huge part of the "whites" of Detroit, Sterling Heights and West Bloomfield.

    Hard-working at the store or business (open late, much to the academic detriment of the teenage sons who are expected to close the cell-phone store or the liquor store), the Chaldean community is the future of America, I think. Not terribly interested in the kind of effort for real academic achievement, but certainly interested in learning enough to get by.

    The girls are usually quite attractive and generally sociable. Many cultures do much worse in protecting their young women from unwanted attention. Chaldean girls do not suffer any unwanted pregnancies. No way. It does not happen, and that is refreshing, given the crude sexual advances that many young black men make toward the black girls.

    Most of the boys are quite confident and happy to be in America. If we are looking for a "model" minority, we could do a lot worse than Chaldean-Americans. If they are the future, and maybe they are, then things will be OK.

    Not great, just OK.

    But, with 4 billion Africans looming on the horizon of the next generation, well, maybe "OK" will have to do.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Marty, @William BadWhite

  13. OT, but today’s print UK Guardian features an 8-page souvenir pullout on 5,000-1 outsiders Leicester City winning the English Premier League (footy/soccer).

    What were the odds against President Trump 2016 at the start of the campaign? I’m looking forward to the Guardian’s souvenir pullout already.

    • Replies: @fox
    @Anonymous Nephew

    guardian is an English paper.

    Replies: @Penny Red

  14. I’d guess black college towns in rural areas would have small gaps.

    Detroit city “whites” who send their kids to public schools are heroin addicts or Muslim Arabs.

  15. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT, but today's print UK Guardian features an 8-page souvenir pullout on 5,000-1 outsiders Leicester City winning the English Premier League (footy/soccer).

    What were the odds against President Trump 2016 at the start of the campaign? I'm looking forward to the Guardian's souvenir pullout already.

    Replies: @fox

    guardian is an English paper.

    • Replies: @Penny Red
    @fox

    And very English with all the journalists from the right schools and no 'orrible working class hoiks employed there.

  16. In order to make sense of the gaps, you have to look at race AND social class. So in a place where you have high class whites and low class minorities you are going to have a large gap, in a place where you have low class whites and low class minorities you’ll have a smaller gap. In a new city like Frisco where everyone is more or less middle class, the gap will be somewhere in between.

    The reason that Berkeley does even worse with black students than a place like Philadelphia is that they are trying to teach blacks in unstructured white liberal learning style. This doesn’t even work that well for whites, but for blacks it is disastrous. I’m sure that they also put the blacks in the same classes as whites out of anti-racism so the black students are unable to keep up with the pace and fall hopelessly behind.

    Once they get to the high school level and the hormones kick in, Philadelphia schools are pretty rough places, but at the elementary school level they have made some progress by imposing structure on the kids, especially in the “charter schools”. Most of the public schools require uniforms and they break the material down to a level that blacks can hope to understand, etc. The elementary schools at least are surprisingly orderly places. They are never going to turn out rocket scientists because of the raw material that they have to work with, but they do teach a certain basic level of literacy.

    • Replies: @Thea
    @Jack D

    I wonder if all boys and all girl middle & high schools wouldn't help. I've always thought it was better in general but 'at risk' kids would benefit the most.

    Replies: @Triumph104, @anon

    , @granesperanzablanco
    @Jack D

    I would assume Berkeley has the mini ghetto thing going on as well. Most neighborhood black people from Berkeley with anything going on likely would form their new families in outer suburbs. This is very extreme now in SF leaving behind the most dysfunctional in public housing and is starting to take hold in Oakland. People come back to the hood maybe for church.

    My experience is black folks love the big McMansions when they move up and not the Craftsman in a walkable pre War hood

  17. So you want to take issue with the hate fact promulgated by the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education, whose chart Steve has published in the past, showing that blacks students from families with yearly incomes over $200K have LOWER test scores than white kids with family incomes under $40K?

    • Replies: @res
    @Brutusale


    So you want to take issue with the hate fact promulgated by the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education, whose chart Steve has published in the past, showing that blacks students from families with yearly incomes over $200K have LOWER test scores than white kids with family incomes under $40K?
     
    That was also my initial knee jerk response reading Jack D's first paragraph. But, after taking a breath and rereading, I think he is absolutely right and his overall analysis is very perceptive and probably on target. The point is, as can be seen in the chart you mention, that the gap varies across income levels (but never reverses, as you correctly state). Berkeley is a perfect test case for this effect--as is Lot's example of a rural black college town, is there a good example of that?

    I wonder if it's possible to test Jack's idea with data. Does this database have average incomes by race? Is there another database which could be merged in to fill that role?

    P.S. Steve, much like you love doing this type of article, I love reading your alternate takes on the data. Your combination of critical (and statistical) acumen and humor is compelling.

    Replies: @res

    , @Jack D
    @Brutusale

    We are talking about size of the gap. The gap never goes away but it does get bigger or smaller depending on what group of blacks vs what group of whites you are comparing. Because of the overall 1.1 SD difference in the racial means (a difference that is as stable over time as the gravitational constant) even a black who is 1/2 SD above his racial mean (what you might expect an average high income black average to be) is still going to be slightly below a white who is 1/2 SD below his racial mean (what you might expect an average low income white to be). But if you take a high class white group @ 1/4 SD above the white racial mean and put them in a school system with a low class black group that is is 1/4 SD below theirs, you are going to end up 1.6 SDs apart as in Berkeley.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  18. res says:
    @Brutusale
    So you want to take issue with the hate fact promulgated by the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education, whose chart Steve has published in the past, showing that blacks students from families with yearly incomes over $200K have LOWER test scores than white kids with family incomes under $40K?

    Replies: @res, @Jack D

    So you want to take issue with the hate fact promulgated by the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education, whose chart Steve has published in the past, showing that blacks students from families with yearly incomes over $200K have LOWER test scores than white kids with family incomes under $40K?

    That was also my initial knee jerk response reading Jack D’s first paragraph. But, after taking a breath and rereading, I think he is absolutely right and his overall analysis is very perceptive and probably on target. The point is, as can be seen in the chart you mention, that the gap varies across income levels (but never reverses, as you correctly state). Berkeley is a perfect test case for this effect–as is Lot’s example of a rural black college town, is there a good example of that?

    I wonder if it’s possible to test Jack’s idea with data. Does this database have average incomes by race? Is there another database which could be merged in to fill that role?

    P.S. Steve, much like you love doing this type of article, I love reading your alternate takes on the data. Your combination of critical (and statistical) acumen and humor is compelling.

    • Replies: @res
    @res


    I wonder if it’s possible to test Jack’s idea with data. Does this database have average incomes by race?
     
    I just downloaded the codebooks and found out the answer is yes! The variables are inc50blk, inc50hsp, and inc50wht. They have an impressive set of covariates (160 in all). I'm downloading the data itself now, but if it's relatively complete this dataset could be a useful starting point for a variety of demographic analyses at school district granularity. I'm looking forward to checking out my local school district. The data is available by grade and year or aggregated across those.

    It's really too bad they are unlikely to ever make the absolute racial numbers publicly available. I wonder if they will release any gap data for Asians. Probably not given the narrative wreckage that would ensue.

    Steve or @FactsAreImportant (or anyone else), any thoughts on what might be good analyses to do with this data?

    P.S. Not sure if there was a link to the Stanford maps that I missed. These are pretty cool: https://cepa.stanford.edu/seda/maps
    Might be interesting to do a map like that for the gaps. There are low res versions on pages 50-51 of their The Geography of Racial/Ethnic Test Score Gaps paper at https://cepa.stanford.edu/seda/papers#seda
    Figure 6 was interesting (7 for Hispanics): Observed vs. Predicted White-Black Achievement Gap (Prediction based on Racial Socioeconomic Disparities). They talk about the predictive model on page 30. The variables are in footnote 14, but I don't see the coefficients (suppose I could recreate this given the variables).
    Table 2A has a list of covariate sources for anyone interested.

    P.P.S. An interesting hypothesis to test would be how the gaps relate to absolute scores. For example, are the low gap districts accomplishing that with low or high absolute performance. I suspect that would produce a hate fact for those advocating reducing the gaps. This would also help call out the exceptions (e.g. Palos Verdes) Steve noticed.
  19. Steve, your obsession with proving whites’ cognitive superiority over NAMs leads me to believe you don’t actually spend much time interacting with average whites.

    My local news site just posted a story about how the Navy Seal killed by Daesh was the grandson of Charles Keating Jr of savings and loan scandal infamy. Not only *a* grandson but THE namesake. Charlie Keating IV. And the comments were full of dozens of white people expressing outrage at how it was “tabloid journalism” and “sensationalist” to mention who the sailor’s grandfather was. Not just “how is this relevant?” comments but “YOU IDIOT WORTHLESS SCUMBAGS HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE NAME OF THIS BRAVE SAILOR.” The comments that didn’t include complaints about the mention were sparse, and the comments justifying the mention were nonexistent.

    Maybe I’m reading too much into this but that’s just one example of many instances of the average white person being a total idiot.

    At the present time I just don’t see the value in harping on how dumb NAMs supposedly are. The average white person is very dumb too. This is why we need a system in which the average person is more powerless than in our current system. Power in the hands of the stupid is a dangerous thing.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @AndrewR

    The Average person was correct and you were wrong. What mattered was the sacrifice of the SEAL, not who his grandfather was. The average person rejected the Calvinist/Christian blood-guilt idea and instead focused on the heroism and sacrifice.

    The article intended to demean and reduce the sacrifice of the dead SEAL in favor of scandal mongering over his grandfather. You are either a nationalist in favor of the nation, and its symbols, sacrifices, and people; or one of the Calvinists putting personal predestined "saved" karma of a few self-selected elite over everyone else.

    See the noxious and ever lasting fruit of Calvinism -- the idea that you personally as an individual because of some talent, favor, luck, whatever are "better" and more favored by the Divine, "Right Side of History" etc. than the masses from which you sprang. Upper Class Whites from Germanic ancestry and Ashkenazi Jews in outside Israel* are especially prone to this disease.

    *Israeli military service and the constant threat of Muslims trying to kill them every day tends to knock off the idea of Divine/History selection since dying or living can be as simple as being either late or early for a pizza, a bus, etc. I.E. Randomness erases the idea of pre-selection and what else is their but blood and family and heritage?

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @e
    @AndrewR

    My dear Andrew R,

    The "average white person" in this country has an IQ of 100. The average black person in this country has a IQ of 85. That's a hell of a difference. No one has said the average black or white is a "total idiot" or that the average black or white is "dumb."

    What has been said and what IS true is that the mean (or average) in cognitive abilities between population groups differ--that, therefore, there IS a gap one can expect to see in achievement in schools and that we've spent time, money, and talent trying to do the impossible, make the damn gap go away so that good little anti-science "Progressives" (god, what a name), can feel better about everybody being the same, or they say, "equal."

    Yeah, as you suggested, "average" ain't all that bright,but a hell of a lot of average folks have been productive citizens and taxpayers throughout our history. You must also understand that some averages are MUCH higher than others. In other words, averages aren't "equal."

    Schools would be better if we understood we can achieve some things with "average" and "below average"; we could start by understanding that the more "average" and "below average" kids are, the more structure they need, not less, as stupid anti-science sorts would have you believe.

    , @William BadWhite
    @AndrewR

    "Maybe I’m reading too much into this but that’s just one example of many instances of the average white person being a total idiot"

    Maybe you're reading too much into online comments from your "local news site"? Naah...

    "The average white person is very dumb"

    You base this assertion on anonymous online comments when actual data would lead you to a different conclusion. Talk about dumb. Pot, meet kettle.

    "Power in the hands of the stupid is a dangerous thing."

    Power is a dangerous thing. Had you stopped there you'd have been correct. By adding the "stupid" you reveal that you've never heard of marxism, trotskyism, or for that matter neocons. Intelligent people with power have brought the world more misery than all the stupid people combined.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @anon

    , @Jeff
    @AndrewR

    So Andrew, you find the intelligence of the average white person to be "very dumb". What's your opinion then of the intelligence of these other racial groups?

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @syonredux
    @AndrewR


    At the present time I just don’t see the value in harping on how dumb NAMs supposedly are.
     
    MMM, that should read "harping on how dumb NAMs actually are."

    The average white person is very dumb too.
     
    But less dumb than the average NAM. And differences in the mean lead to even larger differences in the tails....
    , @Jack Hanson
    @AndrewR

    Because people have an emotional response to the media indirectly slandering a dead SEAL fighting ISIS - the same media that refuses to mention the race of the perpetrator when some horrible black on white crime goes down.

    The race (or immigration status) of a criminal that broke the law last night is a lot more salient than going out of their way to mention an almost 30 year crime in the obituary of a dead commando.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @neon2
    @AndrewR

    The European city I live in is still overwhelming populated by its historic white population.
    The nation of which this city is the capital is known for the high average intelligence and even higher cultural accomplishment of its people.
    Nevertheless it is obvious when walking its beautiful streets that almost everybody under thirty is a functional moron, a shambling, overweight, dull-visaged, and brainless hulk, whether male or female.
    Dysgenic social policies and mind-numbing social media have created a race incapable of holding aloft the achievements of its ancestors, much less adding to them.
    Hey Twentieth Century! Thanks for nothing.

    , @anon
    @AndrewR


    At the present time I just don’t see the value in harping on how dumb NAMs supposedly are.
     
    The entire culture revolves around a racism that doesn't exist.

    Everything in the culture is a lie partly because of this one lie.

    The daily psych beating white kids get in school is based on this lie.

    Asians are invisible in the media because of this lie.

    Politics revolves around this lie.
  20. @Jack D
    In order to make sense of the gaps, you have to look at race AND social class. So in a place where you have high class whites and low class minorities you are going to have a large gap, in a place where you have low class whites and low class minorities you'll have a smaller gap. In a new city like Frisco where everyone is more or less middle class, the gap will be somewhere in between.

    The reason that Berkeley does even worse with black students than a place like Philadelphia is that they are trying to teach blacks in unstructured white liberal learning style. This doesn't even work that well for whites, but for blacks it is disastrous. I'm sure that they also put the blacks in the same classes as whites out of anti-racism so the black students are unable to keep up with the pace and fall hopelessly behind.

    Once they get to the high school level and the hormones kick in, Philadelphia schools are pretty rough places, but at the elementary school level they have made some progress by imposing structure on the kids, especially in the "charter schools". Most of the public schools require uniforms and they break the material down to a level that blacks can hope to understand, etc. The elementary schools at least are surprisingly orderly places. They are never going to turn out rocket scientists because of the raw material that they have to work with, but they do teach a certain basic level of literacy.

    Replies: @Thea, @granesperanzablanco

    I wonder if all boys and all girl middle & high schools wouldn’t help. I’ve always thought it was better in general but ‘at risk’ kids would benefit the most.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @Thea

    I don't know about middle schools, but there are single sex high schools in Texas, at least three boys schools in Chicago, and some girls schools in New York City. They all have below average ACT and SAT scores because they all are non-selective and admit below average students.

    I think the schools are appealing to parents because they teach the basics, are relatively well run, and safe compared to neighborhood schools.

    In the 2014-15 school year, a boy was arrested at Chicago's Urban Prep boys high school for bringing a gun to school. He said that gangs were targeting him on his way to school and he needed protection. A few months later another Urban Prep student was murdered by a gang member. Unfortunately kids aren't safe once they leave the school grounds.

    (As far as I know it is not legal to have single sex public schools. The schools just hope that only one sex applies for admission. There is a least one girl at Urban Prep.)

    , @anon
    @Thea

    I think at least single sex classes would be better - diff teaching styles would develop imo.

  21. Well, applying my new model for reality, that everybody is on drugs of some sort, it could be that the drugs the white kids in Berkeley take are quite different from the drugs that black kids take.

    What are those drugs? Maybe that’s contributing to the picture more than any of us realize.

    Pot, Ritalin, Anti-depressants, Vicodin. I’m already out! Wow, I have to admit I don’t have very much drug knowledge.

  22. A lot of BHS alums in my family. The first issue is that Berkeley is naturally going to be the public school district for all of the faculty (and grad students and post docs with children) at UC Berkeley (Cal), which is right up the street. It’s also home to a large number of intellectual-High IQ types who work in San Francisco, or wherever (Michael Chabon, doctors, lawyers, CEO’s, CFO’s, etc.) These people are vastly white.

    On the other hand, there are neighborhoods to the west near the bay and south leading into Oakland and this is where the black students come from. The area to the West is where there was a Portuguese community (Billy Martin grew up there), but that was supplanted by Latinos and Blacks a long time ago, and the main N-S drag in that part of town, San Pablo, was where the hookers and pimps hung out, catching all the traffic from Richmond down to Oakland (IIRC, the blaxploitation movie, “The Mack” was largely shot there.)

    The neighborhoods to the south that bleed into Oakland — remember, there is no barrier or anything, it’s just that at some point in the grid you are no longer in Berkeley, you are in Oakland — used to be a location for a lot of poor blacks also. (The word I get from the West Coast now is that there’s a lot of gentrification all over).

    Since the pre-HS schools are mostly locally fed, there probably isn’t a lot of integration in the schools at that level, as a matter of fact. There isn’t such a tradition at the HS, either. Basically what used to happen is that blacks and whites were put on separate academic tracks, so they rarely took the same classes, unless someone went out of their way to cross over. Friends who taught there within the past 20 years or so indicate that this bifurcation simply got more pronounced, Disraeli’s “two nations” comes to mind.

  23. Honest teachers from diverse districts will tell you Steve is, of course, correct in his interpretation of this data. They endure all the crap programs and unfair evaluations thrown at them in the expectation that natural gaps can be closed. They also have to put up with “vibrant” discipline problems without much backup from politically correct (and often corrupt) administrations. Can’t have “disparate impact” on expulsion numbers, you know.

    I have another, related subject:

    Even in homogenous white school districts, there is another crevasse teachers are expected to cross: that between “special needs” kids and the rest of the class. Affluent districts, like the one where I live, throw more money every year at the ludicrous idea of “inclusion,” and we pay for it with our outrageous, ever-increasing, property taxes.

    The insane idea that everyone is an equivalent blank slate is costing us billions of dollars and robbing students of the opportunity to learn at their own, appropriate levels. It’s also driving good teachers nuts!

    It’s all the same, half-century-old, left-wing bullshit — and it’s killing us.

    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @guest
    @Buzz Mohawk

    We were stuck with "special needs" kids in our classes, at least through Junior High. They mostly just took up space, but occasionally would disrupt proceedings and be removed. They were allowed to advance with us, of course, despite not doing any work whatsoever. It was theater, nothing more. They needed babysitters, not education.

    , @Forbes
    @Buzz Mohawk

    This->


    The insane idea that everyone is an equivalent blank slate is costing us billions of dollars and robbing students of the opportunity to learn at their own, appropriate levels
     
    It may be driving teachers nuts, but the education blob (teachers' unions, district administrators, and ed schools) uniformly endorse the Blank Slate (all nurture, no nature) version of human development. Until they are disabused of this fantasy, the status quo remains.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz, you are right on. Years ago I accompanied my youngest daughter class on a field trip to the zoo. One child, a girl, was attention deficient, I think that is the term, and she turned the trip into a bus ride from hell. If the Buffalo Zoo had an alligator pit, I would have thrown her in. I can't imagine trying to teach around that disturbance every day,

  24. “Yet, Berkeley is ferociously antiracist. It was the first to have a Black Studies Department at the high school level. In the 2012 election, Berkeley voted for Obama over Romney 90 to 5. Berkeley Unified school-district administrators obsess over any data showing that black students get punished more than other races.

    Still, the racial gap is bigger in Berkeley than anywhere else. …

    The worst white-black gaps tend to be found in old-money liberal towns like Berkeley, Chapel Hill, Shaker Heights, Asheville, and Evanston (the five worst examples of racial inequality in America according to the new Stanford test score database) that can afford a lot of liberal white guilt, which attracts black welfare moms.”

    Again, our old friend La Griffe has some insight into this:

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/prison.htm

  25. guest says:

    My mom used to be a teacher and she gets the union rag–called Teacher: The Magazine, or something–and every other article is about the Gap. They take it for granted that I should care, but I keep forgetting why. Then I remember the underlying equality assumption, the same one justifying all manner of “disparate impact” logic, i.e. that in the absence of mysterious evil everyone will perform the same regardless of race/whatever else they’ve decided shouldn’t be a basis upon which to divide people.

    Enough people know the ugly truth, however. They’re perfectly willing to use the Gap as leverage for power, knowing that it’ll never disappear short of Utopia. So the magazine advocates stretching school to encompass virtually all of a child’s life from the alarm clock to when no one tucks them in at night. They feel qualified to overtake parents’ responsibilities because they’ve done so well with their own responsibilities. Which used to have something to do with teaching, or something.

  26. guest says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Honest teachers from diverse districts will tell you Steve is, of course, correct in his interpretation of this data. They endure all the crap programs and unfair evaluations thrown at them in the expectation that natural gaps can be closed. They also have to put up with "vibrant" discipline problems without much backup from politically correct (and often corrupt) administrations. Can't have "disparate impact" on expulsion numbers, you know.

    I have another, related subject:

    Even in homogenous white school districts, there is another crevasse teachers are expected to cross: that between "special needs" kids and the rest of the class. Affluent districts, like the one where I live, throw more money every year at the ludicrous idea of "inclusion," and we pay for it with our outrageous, ever-increasing, property taxes.

    The insane idea that everyone is an equivalent blank slate is costing us billions of dollars and robbing students of the opportunity to learn at their own, appropriate levels. It's also driving good teachers nuts!

    It's all the same, half-century-old, left-wing bullshit -- and it's killing us.

    Replies: @guest, @Forbes, @Buffalo Joe

    We were stuck with “special needs” kids in our classes, at least through Junior High. They mostly just took up space, but occasionally would disrupt proceedings and be removed. They were allowed to advance with us, of course, despite not doing any work whatsoever. It was theater, nothing more. They needed babysitters, not education.

  27. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
  28. Detroit’s downtown area has been in a gentrification process the last 6 years. Most of the white residents downtown are swpl millennials with no kids.

    Outside of downtown there are two neighborhoods in Detroit that have more than a handful of white people. The southwest part of the city is mainly white and mexican. There is also a neighborhood on the west side called Brightmoor that is full of heroin addicts. Southwest Detroit has one of the only 3 Catholic high schools that still operate in the Detroit city limits. The public school in southwest Detroit is Western High School and it is about 50% hispanic 25% white and 25 % black. It is the 2nd best performing public school in Detroit after Renaissance High School which is comprised of mostly African American students from the city’s upper middle class African American population. Renaissance is a selective high school that requires testing to gain entrance.

    I grew up in Detroit in the late 80s and early 90s. My father was a Detroit Public School teacher. Our neighborhood was comprised of Detroit city workers such as teachers, cops, employees of the sanitation dept., and firemen. Most were African American. Including myself, the majority of the kids in the small neighborhood were sent to parochial schools by their parents. Detroit Public Schools hasn’t had a significant number of white students since the mid 70s.

    Hamtramck, MI is technically not a suburb of Detroit as the entire city of Hamtramck is surrounded by Detroit’s city limits. Hamtramck has a lot of immigrants from Yemen who make up a large portion of the high school in Hamtramck.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @berniefromaa

    The Catholic school in SW Detroit is now called Detroit Cristo Rey High School. In 2008 it was 50 percent Hispanic, 40 percent black, with half the students Catholic. According to Wiki, "A student admitted in the ninth grade must be able to read at a seventh grade level; students unable to meet this requirement may not be admitted".

    Renaissance High School like all black selective high schools in the country only has average ACT/SAT scores and most kids fail their AP exams. This includes DC's Benjamin Banneker, Brooklyn's Medgar Ever's Prep, and Chicago's Gwendolyn Brooks. These schools are nice for the talented tenth who can be smart without acting white and they have guidance counselors who can direct them towards scholarships at elite universities.

    Here is an interesting history on Detroit public schools: https://makeloveland.com/reports/schools

    On international exams most the middle eastern countries test worst than black Americans. Yemen's score the TIMSS exam would suggest mental retardation. http://timssandpirls.bc.edu/data-release-2011/pdf/Overview-TIMSS-and-PIRLS-2011-Achievement.pdf

    A 20 year-old Yemeni woman was kicked out of a Muslim Detroit charter high school when the school realized the government doesn't provide funding for 20 year-olds. Although she is nearly illiterate, the school literally gave her enough credits to receive a diploma. http://www.metrotimes.com/detroit/begging-for-answers-why-were-eight-teachers-at-a-detroit-charter-school-fired/Content?oid=2438569

  29. Education is the great recycler of old theories that proved faulty in practice in a previous era, yet go into witness protection and are given a new name with a new advocate and lauded as a new panacea for the ills of an education system that is corrupt and defunct in all but name.

    All it took was one decade of social justice warriors – and now their offspring – to wreak havoc on the education systems in the nation. One decade, and, for the life of us, we cannot recover what was once great and internationally lauded as the best education the world had to offer.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Hubbub


    we cannot recover what was once great and internationally lauded as the best education the world had to offer
     
    1) Scrap teacher education and make it a three year on the job apprenticeship.

    2) Steer older married women whose kids have grown up into teaching.

    Education was deliberately poisoned in the 1930s by cultural Marxists but now it's mostly running on momentum so break the chain at one point e.g. teacher ed. and it should gradually sputter out.
  30. Marie says:

    Steve, this is off-topic, but please obtain a paper copy of today’s NYT and check out the obits. Tupac’s mom, Afeni Shakur, has sadly left this Earth! She’s up there with Huey Newton now as they watch over us all. Afeni Shakur, the Patron Saint of Crack Rocks & Hennessey.

    I have the paper in front of me right now because I’m laughing out loud at the writing. Choice quotes:

    -“Afeni Shakur died of a cardiac arrest at age 69.” She was a longtime crackhead who neglected and abused a growing Tupac. Rumor has it she returned to the pipe after his unfortunate drive-by. Did crack lead to any early-ish death? NYT would never speculate…

    -“Last year, Ms. Shakur’s voice resurfaced on Kendrick Lamar’s album To Pimp A Butterfly.”

    -“In his song ‘Dear Mama’, Tupac rapped about his mother’s drug addiction and her efforts to raise him as a single mother, portraying their bond as ultimately rooted in respect and honesty.” If memory serves, the lyrics from the song (not printed in the obit) are “even though you was a crack fiend, Mama, you was always a black queen, Mama.”

    -“‘We mourning an activist,’ rapper Cormega wrote on social media.”

    There’s so much more. Please read and appreciate this gem of an obit…

    RIP, Afeni Shakur!

  31. Further on the point made earlier, Berkeley, Chapel Hill, Shaker Heights, Asheville, and Evanston are all university towns: so what that will mean is that the (mostly non-black) universities will strongly bias against the black population.

    Why that isn’t an issue in Cambridge, Mass., New Haven, CT, etc. I do not know, probably a zoning issue. I know that most of the Ivy League colleges are sequestered from large minority populations simply by where they are. (Not U Penn, though: but Philly, like New York, is huge.)

    O/T but can’t resist: How can any Republican actively support Hillary for president? Impossible, I think. The fact that the National Review is asking for donations because Trump “hates them” just shows that NR is now fully functional irrelevant.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @SPMoore8


    For example, according to the Stanford database, the overall highest-scoring public school district in the country is one of the oldest, Lexington, Mass., where many Harvard and MIT professors live. Recent residents of Lexington have included linguist Noam Chomsky, biologist Edward O. Wilson, the late philosopher John Rawls, and eight Nobel laureates. So, the finding that egghead Lexingtonians might have the best-educated kids in the country seems fairly reasonable.
     
    According to US Census, Lexington, MA is 75.5 percent white, 19.9 Asian, 2.3 percent Hispanic, and 1.5 percent black.

    Here is the disciplinary data for Lexington High School.

    Student Group Students Students Disciplined
    All Students 2,140 42
    ELL 52 0
    Economically disadvantaged 146 10
    Students w/disabilities 226 11
    High needs 397 17
    Female 1,046 11
    Male 1,094 31
    Amer. Ind. or Alaska Nat. 3
    Asian 669 8
    Afr. Amer./Black 96 10
    Hispanic/Latino 90 0
    Multi-race, Non-Hisp./Lat. 82 1
    Nat. Haw. or Pacif. Isl. 0
    White 1,200 23

    http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/ssdr/default.aspx?orgcode=01550505&orgtypecode=6&=01550505&

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Brutusale
    @SPMoore8

    I can only speak to Cambridge. The public high school, Cambridge Rindge and Latin, is for NAMs and whites/Asians unable to afford private school. The almost-literate Patrick Ewing is the school's most notable grad; oh, the Tsarnaev brothers also matriculated there. The city's charter school is small but pretty good, and it skims the cream of the NAM crop.

    There are 4 private high schools in Cambridge, but the academic crowd would probably only be using tony Buckingham, Browne & Nichols in town. There are a dozen excellent private prep schools within a 20-mile radius. The libs in Cambridge may be concerned with The Gap, but they're not exposing their children to the cause.

    If you live in Cambridge (median house price was $854K in 2013) you can afford good private schools for your kids.

    Massachusetts tends to do a good job educating NAMs, but it tends to do a good job educating everyone. That pesky Gap remains, even here.

  32. Interesting re Frisco, TX. Is anyone here familiar with it? I did a few Google street view searches. Looks like a typical rootless, middle-class McMansion Texas suburb. Not trying to sound snobbish but the “Texas Model” seems to be America’s best hope (unless it is to break up). Can anyone comment on whether there is a sense of community there?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @JerseyGuy

    Yes, I live in Frisco and am a regular reader and commenter. It's as you describe to some degree. There's some sense of community but certainly not what I grew up with back in small town rust belt America. That is probably some combination of the nature of America today (see: Bowling Alone) and the newness of the populace to the area.

  33. res says:
    @res
    @Brutusale


    So you want to take issue with the hate fact promulgated by the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education, whose chart Steve has published in the past, showing that blacks students from families with yearly incomes over $200K have LOWER test scores than white kids with family incomes under $40K?
     
    That was also my initial knee jerk response reading Jack D's first paragraph. But, after taking a breath and rereading, I think he is absolutely right and his overall analysis is very perceptive and probably on target. The point is, as can be seen in the chart you mention, that the gap varies across income levels (but never reverses, as you correctly state). Berkeley is a perfect test case for this effect--as is Lot's example of a rural black college town, is there a good example of that?

    I wonder if it's possible to test Jack's idea with data. Does this database have average incomes by race? Is there another database which could be merged in to fill that role?

    P.S. Steve, much like you love doing this type of article, I love reading your alternate takes on the data. Your combination of critical (and statistical) acumen and humor is compelling.

    Replies: @res

    I wonder if it’s possible to test Jack’s idea with data. Does this database have average incomes by race?

    I just downloaded the codebooks and found out the answer is yes! The variables are inc50blk, inc50hsp, and inc50wht. They have an impressive set of covariates (160 in all). I’m downloading the data itself now, but if it’s relatively complete this dataset could be a useful starting point for a variety of demographic analyses at school district granularity. I’m looking forward to checking out my local school district. The data is available by grade and year or aggregated across those.

    It’s really too bad they are unlikely to ever make the absolute racial numbers publicly available. I wonder if they will release any gap data for Asians. Probably not given the narrative wreckage that would ensue.

    Steve or @FactsAreImportant (or anyone else), any thoughts on what might be good analyses to do with this data?

    P.S. Not sure if there was a link to the Stanford maps that I missed. These are pretty cool: https://cepa.stanford.edu/seda/maps
    Might be interesting to do a map like that for the gaps. There are low res versions on pages 50-51 of their The Geography of Racial/Ethnic Test Score Gaps paper at https://cepa.stanford.edu/seda/papers#seda
    Figure 6 was interesting (7 for Hispanics): Observed vs. Predicted White-Black Achievement Gap (Prediction based on Racial Socioeconomic Disparities). They talk about the predictive model on page 30. The variables are in footnote 14, but I don’t see the coefficients (suppose I could recreate this given the variables).
    Table 2A has a list of covariate sources for anyone interested.

    P.P.S. An interesting hypothesis to test would be how the gaps relate to absolute scores. For example, are the low gap districts accomplishing that with low or high absolute performance. I suspect that would produce a hate fact for those advocating reducing the gaps. This would also help call out the exceptions (e.g. Palos Verdes) Steve noticed.

  34. I have a secondary question for you you may want to address.

    “White kids in Berkeley averaged an impressive 2.7 grade levels higher than the national average across all races. ”

    This seems almost impossible. If I assume the national average 4th grader is performing at the 4th grade level, this suggests that the average white Berkelyite 4th grader is performing at the late 7th grade level (and 1st grader at the late 4th grade level, and so on).

    I find this difficult to believe. I have kids, and I am loosely familiar with kids books/math capacity and so on. My gut instinct tells me that a 1st grader doing late 4th grade math work (or a 4th grader doing late 7th grade math work) is essentially in the gifted/talented category (and not just genetically bright or ahead). If you think about your own kids’ school (and the brightness of their classmates), I can accept that there’s that one guy who is reading Harry Potter in kindergarten. But even the bright kids-well ahead of the norm-aren’t. They are the best in their class, but not that far advanced-they’re reading chapter books early, or starting to read a bit more sophisticated stuff before the class as a whole does.

    And gifted/talented isn’t really genetically passable: gifted parents aren’t guaranteed of having gifted children (even if the odds may be greater). Brightness is undoubtedly passable (say IQ in the range of 120), but I don’t belief giftedness is.

    There must be something hidden in these numbers. I have no doubt that the average Berkeleyite is brighter than average, even much brighter than average. But I would think 2.7 grades advanced is essentially gifted and talented: and I don’t believe the AVERAGE berkeleyite child is gifted, just as I don’t believe the average adult Berkeleyite is gifted (even if the average adult Berkeleyite is bright), and even if the adults WERE gifted, that trait is not passable.

    So it could be that the average American 4th grader is performing at below 4th grade (thus, perhaps the Berkelyite 4th grader is at 5.7 grade or something similar). It could be that I am wrong in my gut impression: 2.7 grades is really equal to IQ of X (say, 20 points) rather than my gut instinct of Y (gifted, say 30-40 points). Or my gut instinct may be wrong at some other level.

    But I’d be interested in your take on this.

    joeyjoejoe

    • Replies: @biz
    @joeyjoejoe

    'Grade level' work is not a very high standard. Fourth grade level math includes addition in columns, multiplication, converting fractions to decimals, etc.

    The children of Berkeley science and engineering faculty can probably do that in first grade, even including regression to the mean.

    , @stillCARealist
    @joeyjoejoe

    You're right: average 4th graders aren't performing at 4th grade level. That's part of it. Also, it seems to me, as when my kids took the Iowa tests, that these tests artificially puts kids into higher grade abilities than they could necessarily achieve on their own. I don't know which test scores they're measuring here, but they might be inflating what the kids are actually capable of. That won't erase a racial gap, of course, but it will make kids sound more advanced.

    Also, don't discount the fact that on these tests you're going to get a significant portion of the takers who don't really give a rip and don't try. When we took the ASVAB tests in HS in the 80's, lots of us were laughing afterwards about just bubbling in patterns because we didn't feel like thinking about the questions. If students are told that a test won't count against them for anything, a lot will just shine it on. Even on SAT tests, are the lower-end students really trying? Or would it even make a difference to them if they did?

    Replies: @Triumph104, @Jim Don Bob, @S. Anonyia

    , @Jack D
    @joeyjoejoe

    The national average racial gap between whites vs. blacks & Hispanics is 2 grade levels, to give you a sense of scale.

    http://www.edweek.org/ew/issues/achievement-gap/

    So if you figure that the school age population is around 1/2 white, 1/2 other, that means that the average white kid would be around 1 grade level above the average of all races. So the white kids in Berkeley are ANOTHER 1.7 grade levels ahead of the average white kid. If you figure that the average white kid in Berkeley is the child of a professor or other educated professional, this is not impossible. Figure that these kids are either actual Ashkenazi Jews or about as smart as average Ashkenazi Jews - they are a group that is roughly as far ahead of whites in intelligence as whites are of blacks. Because Jews are such a small segment of the population, 3 out of 4 smart people will still be non-Jewish on average.

    , @midtown
    @joeyjoejoe

    2.7 grade levels higher than 4th grade would be late 6th grade, wouldn't it? Still very advanced, but not as high as late 7th. Anyway, you might very well be right that 4th grade level is not actually 4th grade level.

    Also, if students are not held back by slower students, they can move ahead pretty quickly. Many homeschoolers advance rapidly because of their class size of 1. Berkeley might be able to cater to this in various ways, especially with tracking and small class sizes.

    , @Triumph104
    @joeyjoejoe

    It is not difficult to believe. It does not mean that the white students are geniuses or gifted. Grade level or proficient just means a minimum standard. Most state exams require a student to test at advanced to show college readiness not proficient.

    Whites with family incomes below $20K score the same on the SAT as blacks with family incomes above $200k. Black 12th graders with parents who are college graduates score the same on the NAEP as the white children of high school dropouts.

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/03/2008-sat-scores-by-race-by-income.html
    http://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reading_math_g12_2013/#/group-results

    Most black and Hispanics need a structured education where concepts are constantly repeated. They simply don't pick up on things like whites and Asians do.

    , @MSP
    @joeyjoejoe

    What are the criteria used for measuring grade levels? Our school district uses MAP tests to measure progress. The interesting thing about MAP tests is the scores are comparable across grades. My daughter was getting scores in 4th grade that put her in the 85th+ percentile for 11th graders. My daughter is extremely bright, but there's no possible way she was better at math than 85% of 11th graders. I suspect it's certainly possible that she was significantly better at the math she was being taught (6th grade math at the time) than 11th graders were and that influenced the scores.

    , @Triumph104
    @joeyjoejoe

    Massachusetts usually ranks first nationally in test scores. Over 60 percent of the mostly black students at a Cambridge, MA charter school tested "advanced" on the MA state exam in English and math and nearly all of the rest were "proficient".

    However, if you click the link and download the 2014-15 school profile, about half of the students scored below 500 on the different sections of the SAT. Even more surprising is that less than 20 percent of them earned an A in any given class and only a third of them had a weighted GPA above 3.0.

    http://www.ccscambridge.org/college/school-profile

    Replies: @Brutusale

  35. @Jack D
    In order to make sense of the gaps, you have to look at race AND social class. So in a place where you have high class whites and low class minorities you are going to have a large gap, in a place where you have low class whites and low class minorities you'll have a smaller gap. In a new city like Frisco where everyone is more or less middle class, the gap will be somewhere in between.

    The reason that Berkeley does even worse with black students than a place like Philadelphia is that they are trying to teach blacks in unstructured white liberal learning style. This doesn't even work that well for whites, but for blacks it is disastrous. I'm sure that they also put the blacks in the same classes as whites out of anti-racism so the black students are unable to keep up with the pace and fall hopelessly behind.

    Once they get to the high school level and the hormones kick in, Philadelphia schools are pretty rough places, but at the elementary school level they have made some progress by imposing structure on the kids, especially in the "charter schools". Most of the public schools require uniforms and they break the material down to a level that blacks can hope to understand, etc. The elementary schools at least are surprisingly orderly places. They are never going to turn out rocket scientists because of the raw material that they have to work with, but they do teach a certain basic level of literacy.

    Replies: @Thea, @granesperanzablanco

    I would assume Berkeley has the mini ghetto thing going on as well. Most neighborhood black people from Berkeley with anything going on likely would form their new families in outer suburbs. This is very extreme now in SF leaving behind the most dysfunctional in public housing and is starting to take hold in Oakland. People come back to the hood maybe for church.

    My experience is black folks love the big McMansions when they move up and not the Craftsman in a walkable pre War hood

  36. res says:

    Another possible dataset to merge with this is this compilation of Jewish population per congressional district: http://www.jewishdatabank.org/Studies/details.cfm?StudyID=719
    The Stanford data mostly has the CD for each district.
    I wonder how that would line up with the gaps and the absolute scores for whites (yes, I know not all Jews are white, but it’s a pretty good approximation).

    I wonder if there is any way to get a decent estimate of absolute scores by race working backwards from the means and the gaps. Missing Asian gap data would be a problem for this.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @res

    It is possible to aggregate the school district data up to the county level. With 3000 some counties it's quite likely that it'll find a statistically significant correlation. However, interpreting it can be a little tricky. Because the jewish population is quite small and geographically concentrated in particular types of places (urban, high SES suburbs, etc) it's likely to be biased upwards above their direct contribution. I found a similar issue with "asians" at the school district level, where we have more accurate census data.. [It estimated them without controls as something like 2 SD above the mean]. Controlling for educational attainment can help minimize the sorting effect but it also controls away a good part of the signal....

  37. Coulter just retweeted Sailer.

    I'll be on @billmaher's "Real Time" again this Friday. https://t.co/aH5ZnYeYWt— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) May 4, 2016

    In related news, Salon tries to concern troll Coulter

    http://www.salon.com/2016/05/04/ann_coulters_flirting_with_white_supremacists_again_even_she_should_know_better_than_to_retweet_certain_people/

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @AndrewR

    I just deigned myself to read that Salon hitpiece in its entirety. The (((author))) calls out Sailer and VDare as "white supremacist."

    Congrats, Steve. You've made it bigtime, baby.

    , @Jack D
    @AndrewR

    Steve should stop his mild mannered Clark Kent act and change his profile picture to the real one where he is wearing his robes as the Imperial Wizard of the KKK. Everyone with any sense knows that there are absolutely no differences between Japanese and blacks. Tell me again who is the stupid party?

    It's nice to see Steve getting national attention even if it is negative, not that anyone reads Salon.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Judah Benjamin Hur

  38. What about DoD run schools?

    • Replies: @prusmc
    @seamie

    I know of one where great emphasis is place on number of students enrolled in AP courses. The scores of these students are held close to the chest. Success measured by input not output.

  39. Interesting as always. That said, phrases like “just about the worst whites in America” do strongly suggest the author believes that high cognitive abilities, high academic achievement, and high income make a person “good” while the opposite makes a person “bad.”

  40. @AndrewR
    Coulter just retweeted Sailer.

    I'll be on @billmaher's "Real Time" again this Friday. https://t.co/aH5ZnYeYWt— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) May 4, 2016
     
    In related news, Salon tries to concern troll Coulter

    http://www.salon.com/2016/05/04/ann_coulters_flirting_with_white_supremacists_again_even_she_should_know_better_than_to_retweet_certain_people/

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Jack D

    I just deigned myself to read that Salon hitpiece in its entirety. The (((author))) calls out Sailer and VDare as “white supremacist.”

    Congrats, Steve. You’ve made it bigtime, baby.

  41. @Brutusale
    So you want to take issue with the hate fact promulgated by the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education, whose chart Steve has published in the past, showing that blacks students from families with yearly incomes over $200K have LOWER test scores than white kids with family incomes under $40K?

    Replies: @res, @Jack D

    We are talking about size of the gap. The gap never goes away but it does get bigger or smaller depending on what group of blacks vs what group of whites you are comparing. Because of the overall 1.1 SD difference in the racial means (a difference that is as stable over time as the gravitational constant) even a black who is 1/2 SD above his racial mean (what you might expect an average high income black average to be) is still going to be slightly below a white who is 1/2 SD below his racial mean (what you might expect an average low income white to be). But if you take a high class white group @ 1/4 SD above the white racial mean and put them in a school system with a low class black group that is is 1/4 SD below theirs, you are going to end up 1.6 SDs apart as in Berkeley.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Jack D

    True enough. The Gap will be smaller in a place like Cambridge because the bulk of elites, I would say approaching 100%, opt out of public education, leaving a 1/2 SD below white student mix.

    If I remember correctly, a measurably higher percentage of MA students attends private schools compared to CA.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  42. @joeyjoejoe
    I have a secondary question for you you may want to address.

    "White kids in Berkeley averaged an impressive 2.7 grade levels higher than the national average across all races. "

    This seems almost impossible. If I assume the national average 4th grader is performing at the 4th grade level, this suggests that the average white Berkelyite 4th grader is performing at the late 7th grade level (and 1st grader at the late 4th grade level, and so on).

    I find this difficult to believe. I have kids, and I am loosely familiar with kids books/math capacity and so on. My gut instinct tells me that a 1st grader doing late 4th grade math work (or a 4th grader doing late 7th grade math work) is essentially in the gifted/talented category (and not just genetically bright or ahead). If you think about your own kids' school (and the brightness of their classmates), I can accept that there's that one guy who is reading Harry Potter in kindergarten. But even the bright kids-well ahead of the norm-aren't. They are the best in their class, but not that far advanced-they're reading chapter books early, or starting to read a bit more sophisticated stuff before the class as a whole does.

    And gifted/talented isn't really genetically passable: gifted parents aren't guaranteed of having gifted children (even if the odds may be greater). Brightness is undoubtedly passable (say IQ in the range of 120), but I don't belief giftedness is.

    There must be something hidden in these numbers. I have no doubt that the average Berkeleyite is brighter than average, even much brighter than average. But I would think 2.7 grades advanced is essentially gifted and talented: and I don't believe the AVERAGE berkeleyite child is gifted, just as I don't believe the average adult Berkeleyite is gifted (even if the average adult Berkeleyite is bright), and even if the adults WERE gifted, that trait is not passable.

    So it could be that the average American 4th grader is performing at below 4th grade (thus, perhaps the Berkelyite 4th grader is at 5.7 grade or something similar). It could be that I am wrong in my gut impression: 2.7 grades is really equal to IQ of X (say, 20 points) rather than my gut instinct of Y (gifted, say 30-40 points). Or my gut instinct may be wrong at some other level.

    But I'd be interested in your take on this.

    joeyjoejoe

    Replies: @biz, @stillCARealist, @Jack D, @midtown, @Triumph104, @MSP, @Triumph104

    ‘Grade level’ work is not a very high standard. Fourth grade level math includes addition in columns, multiplication, converting fractions to decimals, etc.

    The children of Berkeley science and engineering faculty can probably do that in first grade, even including regression to the mean.

  43. So one solution to racial inequality, evidently, is to have most of the whites with something on the ball…move away.

    Or just keep them there, dumb-down the curriculum, massage the standardized tests towards lucky guess with ambiguous, subjective questions open to interpretation by experts, forbid the parents to see test questions, then yoke their kid–and his grades–to cooperative projects with an underprivileged underperformer who does no work, yet receives the same as their child, who did all the work.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  44. Whiskey says: • Website
    @AndrewR
    Steve, your obsession with proving whites' cognitive superiority over NAMs leads me to believe you don't actually spend much time interacting with average whites.

    My local news site just posted a story about how the Navy Seal killed by Daesh was the grandson of Charles Keating Jr of savings and loan scandal infamy. Not only *a* grandson but THE namesake. Charlie Keating IV. And the comments were full of dozens of white people expressing outrage at how it was "tabloid journalism" and "sensationalist" to mention who the sailor's grandfather was. Not just "how is this relevant?" comments but "YOU IDIOT WORTHLESS SCUMBAGS HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE NAME OF THIS BRAVE SAILOR." The comments that didn't include complaints about the mention were sparse, and the comments justifying the mention were nonexistent.

    Maybe I'm reading too much into this but that's just one example of many instances of the average white person being a total idiot.

    At the present time I just don't see the value in harping on how dumb NAMs supposedly are. The average white person is very dumb too. This is why we need a system in which the average person is more powerless than in our current system. Power in the hands of the stupid is a dangerous thing.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @e, @William BadWhite, @Jeff, @syonredux, @Jack Hanson, @neon2, @anon

    The Average person was correct and you were wrong. What mattered was the sacrifice of the SEAL, not who his grandfather was. The average person rejected the Calvinist/Christian blood-guilt idea and instead focused on the heroism and sacrifice.

    The article intended to demean and reduce the sacrifice of the dead SEAL in favor of scandal mongering over his grandfather. You are either a nationalist in favor of the nation, and its symbols, sacrifices, and people; or one of the Calvinists putting personal predestined “saved” karma of a few self-selected elite over everyone else.

    See the noxious and ever lasting fruit of Calvinism — the idea that you personally as an individual because of some talent, favor, luck, whatever are “better” and more favored by the Divine, “Right Side of History” etc. than the masses from which you sprang. Upper Class Whites from Germanic ancestry and Ashkenazi Jews in outside Israel* are especially prone to this disease.

    *Israeli military service and the constant threat of Muslims trying to kill them every day tends to knock off the idea of Divine/History selection since dying or living can be as simple as being either late or early for a pizza, a bus, etc. I.E. Randomness erases the idea of pre-selection and what else is their but blood and family and heritage?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Whiskey

    You're arguing against things I didn't say.

  45. I love the various school test scores databases. As I explain to liberals, school teachers are not only racist, they are active participants in the largest secret racist conspiracy in the USA.

    In the 16000 school systems in America, not a single one–NOT ONE–shows black test scores greater than white test scores. Since “all men are created equal”, the odds of this happening by chance are infinitesimally small.

    It must be intentional and it must be coordinated. There is no other explanation.

    And then I tell them I will give them $100 if they can find one single school district where blacks score higher than whites.

    [There is one city. As best I remember, in a 20+city study of urban schools conducted 10-20 years ago, Detroit black boys scored higher than Detroit white boys.]

  46. @Anonymous
    People here like to claim that liberals are hypocrites for avoiding diversity. However, the tendency of true left wing towns to welcome with open arms poor blacks for decades shows that those lefties have real dedication to diversity. It's the people in culturally liberal affluent places like the Upper East Side that give lip service to diversity.

    Replies: @bomag, @Forbes, @a Newsreader

    the tendency of true left wing towns to welcome with open arms poor blacks for decades shows that those lefties have real dedication to diversity.

    These are stupid leftists. There are plenty of those, but most lefties inflict their enlightened racial beliefs on other people.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @bomag

    I don't think liberal old money towns have been all that welcoming of poor blacks in the last 30 years or so, but they're stuck with the descendants of the ones their grandparents welcomed in more optimistic times.

    Replies: @bomag

    , @Steve Sailer
    @bomag

    I don't think liberal old money towns have been all that welcoming of poor blacks in the last 30 years or so, but they're stuck with the descendants of the ones their grandparents welcomed in more optimistic times.

  47. @AndrewR
    Coulter just retweeted Sailer.

    I'll be on @billmaher's "Real Time" again this Friday. https://t.co/aH5ZnYeYWt— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) May 4, 2016
     
    In related news, Salon tries to concern troll Coulter

    http://www.salon.com/2016/05/04/ann_coulters_flirting_with_white_supremacists_again_even_she_should_know_better_than_to_retweet_certain_people/

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Jack D

    Steve should stop his mild mannered Clark Kent act and change his profile picture to the real one where he is wearing his robes as the Imperial Wizard of the KKK. Everyone with any sense knows that there are absolutely no differences between Japanese and blacks. Tell me again who is the stupid party?

    It’s nice to see Steve getting national attention even if it is negative, not that anyone reads Salon.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Jack D

    I, for one, would follow OberstGruppenFuhrer Sailer to hell and back!

    Wolverines!!

    , @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @Jack D

    I really wish people like that scumbag Salon writer would be forced to take lie detector tests with electric shocks. "Do you agree with Sailer?" "No!" ZAP!!!!!!!!!

  48. @Anonymous
    @kihowi

    "A practice of Gypsy hunting was quite common—a game very similar to fox hunting. Even as late as 1835, there was a Gypsy hunt in Jutland (Denmark) that brought in a bag of over 260 men, women and children."

    ---Gypsies of the White Mountains: History of a Nomadic Culture

    Replies: @Tex, @Buffalo Joe, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Pericles

    Would you by any chance have a source for that claim? If you could point me to the documentation of the incident, I’d love to research it more deeply. Thanks -Tex

  49. @Mike Zwick
    Ironically, even with the power of the Cook County Democratic Machine and it being a very blue collar East European ethnic kind of place, Cicero, Illinois has been a solidly Republican town since the days of Big Bill Thompson in the 1920's.

    Replies: @JimL

    Its now overwhelmingly Hispanic and votes around 80% Democrat for President. They must not have received the “Natural Conservatives” memo

  50. @joeyjoejoe
    I have a secondary question for you you may want to address.

    "White kids in Berkeley averaged an impressive 2.7 grade levels higher than the national average across all races. "

    This seems almost impossible. If I assume the national average 4th grader is performing at the 4th grade level, this suggests that the average white Berkelyite 4th grader is performing at the late 7th grade level (and 1st grader at the late 4th grade level, and so on).

    I find this difficult to believe. I have kids, and I am loosely familiar with kids books/math capacity and so on. My gut instinct tells me that a 1st grader doing late 4th grade math work (or a 4th grader doing late 7th grade math work) is essentially in the gifted/talented category (and not just genetically bright or ahead). If you think about your own kids' school (and the brightness of their classmates), I can accept that there's that one guy who is reading Harry Potter in kindergarten. But even the bright kids-well ahead of the norm-aren't. They are the best in their class, but not that far advanced-they're reading chapter books early, or starting to read a bit more sophisticated stuff before the class as a whole does.

    And gifted/talented isn't really genetically passable: gifted parents aren't guaranteed of having gifted children (even if the odds may be greater). Brightness is undoubtedly passable (say IQ in the range of 120), but I don't belief giftedness is.

    There must be something hidden in these numbers. I have no doubt that the average Berkeleyite is brighter than average, even much brighter than average. But I would think 2.7 grades advanced is essentially gifted and talented: and I don't believe the AVERAGE berkeleyite child is gifted, just as I don't believe the average adult Berkeleyite is gifted (even if the average adult Berkeleyite is bright), and even if the adults WERE gifted, that trait is not passable.

    So it could be that the average American 4th grader is performing at below 4th grade (thus, perhaps the Berkelyite 4th grader is at 5.7 grade or something similar). It could be that I am wrong in my gut impression: 2.7 grades is really equal to IQ of X (say, 20 points) rather than my gut instinct of Y (gifted, say 30-40 points). Or my gut instinct may be wrong at some other level.

    But I'd be interested in your take on this.

    joeyjoejoe

    Replies: @biz, @stillCARealist, @Jack D, @midtown, @Triumph104, @MSP, @Triumph104

    You’re right: average 4th graders aren’t performing at 4th grade level. That’s part of it. Also, it seems to me, as when my kids took the Iowa tests, that these tests artificially puts kids into higher grade abilities than they could necessarily achieve on their own. I don’t know which test scores they’re measuring here, but they might be inflating what the kids are actually capable of. That won’t erase a racial gap, of course, but it will make kids sound more advanced.

    Also, don’t discount the fact that on these tests you’re going to get a significant portion of the takers who don’t really give a rip and don’t try. When we took the ASVAB tests in HS in the 80’s, lots of us were laughing afterwards about just bubbling in patterns because we didn’t feel like thinking about the questions. If students are told that a test won’t count against them for anything, a lot will just shine it on. Even on SAT tests, are the lower-end students really trying? Or would it even make a difference to them if they did?

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @stillCARealist

    Speaking of trying on pointless standardized tests, Michigan places schools under "state scrutiny" if there is a large achievement gap between the top 30 percent and the bottom 30 percent students.

    Ninety-six schools managed to get off the list. I wonder how many of their top students helped their schools out by answering questions incorrectly or leaving them blank.

    http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/03/see_96_michigan_schools_remove.html

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @stillCARealist

    And the systemic test cheating in Atlanta has been flushed down the memory hole.

    , @S. Anonyia
    @stillCARealist

    I am a teacher, and my students (middle school age) told me that they don't care about their standardized tests, that they bubbled in random answers and rushed through it. I explained to them that these tests were used to judge the quality of their school and their intelligence.

    They told me they still didn't care, because it wasn't for a grade.

    I brought this up at a faculty meeting and for some reason the other teachers were totally floored/flabberghasted by the mere suggestion that kids weren't trying on these tests. I don't think they believed me. I guess common sense isn't obvious to everyone.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @stillCARealist

  51. @fox
    @Anonymous Nephew

    guardian is an English paper.

    Replies: @Penny Red

    And very English with all the journalists from the right schools and no ‘orrible working class hoiks employed there.

  52. e says:
    @AndrewR
    Steve, your obsession with proving whites' cognitive superiority over NAMs leads me to believe you don't actually spend much time interacting with average whites.

    My local news site just posted a story about how the Navy Seal killed by Daesh was the grandson of Charles Keating Jr of savings and loan scandal infamy. Not only *a* grandson but THE namesake. Charlie Keating IV. And the comments were full of dozens of white people expressing outrage at how it was "tabloid journalism" and "sensationalist" to mention who the sailor's grandfather was. Not just "how is this relevant?" comments but "YOU IDIOT WORTHLESS SCUMBAGS HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE NAME OF THIS BRAVE SAILOR." The comments that didn't include complaints about the mention were sparse, and the comments justifying the mention were nonexistent.

    Maybe I'm reading too much into this but that's just one example of many instances of the average white person being a total idiot.

    At the present time I just don't see the value in harping on how dumb NAMs supposedly are. The average white person is very dumb too. This is why we need a system in which the average person is more powerless than in our current system. Power in the hands of the stupid is a dangerous thing.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @e, @William BadWhite, @Jeff, @syonredux, @Jack Hanson, @neon2, @anon

    My dear Andrew R,

    The “average white person” in this country has an IQ of 100. The average black person in this country has a IQ of 85. That’s a hell of a difference. No one has said the average black or white is a “total idiot” or that the average black or white is “dumb.”

    What has been said and what IS true is that the mean (or average) in cognitive abilities between population groups differ–that, therefore, there IS a gap one can expect to see in achievement in schools and that we’ve spent time, money, and talent trying to do the impossible, make the damn gap go away so that good little anti-science “Progressives” (god, what a name), can feel better about everybody being the same, or they say, “equal.”

    Yeah, as you suggested, “average” ain’t all that bright,but a hell of a lot of average folks have been productive citizens and taxpayers throughout our history. You must also understand that some averages are MUCH higher than others. In other words, averages aren’t “equal.”

    Schools would be better if we understood we can achieve some things with “average” and “below average”; we could start by understanding that the more “average” and “below average” kids are, the more structure they need, not less, as stupid anti-science sorts would have you believe.

  53. @Hapalong Cassidy
    Normally I'm not a fact-checking Nazi, but I've got to stick up for one of my alma mater's most famous alums: It's "Homer" Hickam, not Horace.

    Replies: @Forbes

    I wondered about that “Horace,” but I couldn’t remember the correct name beginning with H.

  54. @Anonymous
    @kihowi

    "A practice of Gypsy hunting was quite common—a game very similar to fox hunting. Even as late as 1835, there was a Gypsy hunt in Jutland (Denmark) that brought in a bag of over 260 men, women and children."

    ---Gypsies of the White Mountains: History of a Nomadic Culture

    Replies: @Tex, @Buffalo Joe, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Pericles

    Anonymous, Did they mount them or eat them ? No use wasting all that meat. And what is the bag limit on Gypsies?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe

    Nowadays the Danish just bag the valuables of the refugees when they arrive.

  55. @Anonymous
    People here like to claim that liberals are hypocrites for avoiding diversity. However, the tendency of true left wing towns to welcome with open arms poor blacks for decades shows that those lefties have real dedication to diversity. It's the people in culturally liberal affluent places like the Upper East Side that give lip service to diversity.

    Replies: @bomag, @Forbes, @a Newsreader

    If you’re gonna criticize Manhattan, at least get the correct location of Moscow on the Hudson–it’s the Upper West Side.

  56. The fifth-most severe race gap is in Evanston, Ill. (home of Northwestern U.), which voted 86.5% for Obama in 2012. Evanston’s chasm is 1.49 standard deviations, putting its average black student at the 7th percentile among its white students.

    Evanston whites averaged an impressive 3.9 grade levels higher than the national average across all races, while Evanston’s Hispanics were 0.1 grade levels below the national average and Evanston’s blacks scored 0.6 levels below the national average.

    Evanston Township High was in the news last year for their efforts to include more minorities in AP classes. Over three years the number of blacks passing AP exams increased by 98 percent. That is easy to do when you start with only a few blacks. Also, if a black student failed five AP exams and passed just one, they were included in that 98 percent increase. The percentage of Hispanics passing AP exams increased by 116 percent which can usually be done with AP Spanish.

  57. @AndrewR
    Steve, your obsession with proving whites' cognitive superiority over NAMs leads me to believe you don't actually spend much time interacting with average whites.

    My local news site just posted a story about how the Navy Seal killed by Daesh was the grandson of Charles Keating Jr of savings and loan scandal infamy. Not only *a* grandson but THE namesake. Charlie Keating IV. And the comments were full of dozens of white people expressing outrage at how it was "tabloid journalism" and "sensationalist" to mention who the sailor's grandfather was. Not just "how is this relevant?" comments but "YOU IDIOT WORTHLESS SCUMBAGS HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE NAME OF THIS BRAVE SAILOR." The comments that didn't include complaints about the mention were sparse, and the comments justifying the mention were nonexistent.

    Maybe I'm reading too much into this but that's just one example of many instances of the average white person being a total idiot.

    At the present time I just don't see the value in harping on how dumb NAMs supposedly are. The average white person is very dumb too. This is why we need a system in which the average person is more powerless than in our current system. Power in the hands of the stupid is a dangerous thing.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @e, @William BadWhite, @Jeff, @syonredux, @Jack Hanson, @neon2, @anon

    “Maybe I’m reading too much into this but that’s just one example of many instances of the average white person being a total idiot”

    Maybe you’re reading too much into online comments from your “local news site”? Naah…

    “The average white person is very dumb”

    You base this assertion on anonymous online comments when actual data would lead you to a different conclusion. Talk about dumb. Pot, meet kettle.

    “Power in the hands of the stupid is a dangerous thing.”

    Power is a dangerous thing. Had you stopped there you’d have been correct. By adding the “stupid” you reveal that you’ve never heard of marxism, trotskyism, or for that matter neocons. Intelligent people with power have brought the world more misery than all the stupid people combined.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @William BadWhite

    Do cite this data, o wise one.

    Replies: @William BadWhite

    , @anon
    @William BadWhite


    Intelligent people with power have brought the world more misery than all the stupid people combined.
     
    quite

    IQ is a tool; character decides whether it's used for good or ill.
  58. @Buzz Mohawk
    Honest teachers from diverse districts will tell you Steve is, of course, correct in his interpretation of this data. They endure all the crap programs and unfair evaluations thrown at them in the expectation that natural gaps can be closed. They also have to put up with "vibrant" discipline problems without much backup from politically correct (and often corrupt) administrations. Can't have "disparate impact" on expulsion numbers, you know.

    I have another, related subject:

    Even in homogenous white school districts, there is another crevasse teachers are expected to cross: that between "special needs" kids and the rest of the class. Affluent districts, like the one where I live, throw more money every year at the ludicrous idea of "inclusion," and we pay for it with our outrageous, ever-increasing, property taxes.

    The insane idea that everyone is an equivalent blank slate is costing us billions of dollars and robbing students of the opportunity to learn at their own, appropriate levels. It's also driving good teachers nuts!

    It's all the same, half-century-old, left-wing bullshit -- and it's killing us.

    Replies: @guest, @Forbes, @Buffalo Joe

    This->

    The insane idea that everyone is an equivalent blank slate is costing us billions of dollars and robbing students of the opportunity to learn at their own, appropriate levels

    It may be driving teachers nuts, but the education blob (teachers’ unions, district administrators, and ed schools) uniformly endorse the Blank Slate (all nurture, no nature) version of human development. Until they are disabused of this fantasy, the status quo remains.

  59. @Buzz Mohawk
    Honest teachers from diverse districts will tell you Steve is, of course, correct in his interpretation of this data. They endure all the crap programs and unfair evaluations thrown at them in the expectation that natural gaps can be closed. They also have to put up with "vibrant" discipline problems without much backup from politically correct (and often corrupt) administrations. Can't have "disparate impact" on expulsion numbers, you know.

    I have another, related subject:

    Even in homogenous white school districts, there is another crevasse teachers are expected to cross: that between "special needs" kids and the rest of the class. Affluent districts, like the one where I live, throw more money every year at the ludicrous idea of "inclusion," and we pay for it with our outrageous, ever-increasing, property taxes.

    The insane idea that everyone is an equivalent blank slate is costing us billions of dollars and robbing students of the opportunity to learn at their own, appropriate levels. It's also driving good teachers nuts!

    It's all the same, half-century-old, left-wing bullshit -- and it's killing us.

    Replies: @guest, @Forbes, @Buffalo Joe

    Buzz, you are right on. Years ago I accompanied my youngest daughter class on a field trip to the zoo. One child, a girl, was attention deficient, I think that is the term, and she turned the trip into a bus ride from hell. If the Buffalo Zoo had an alligator pit, I would have thrown her in. I can’t imagine trying to teach around that disturbance every day,

  60. @Thea
    @Jack D

    I wonder if all boys and all girl middle & high schools wouldn't help. I've always thought it was better in general but 'at risk' kids would benefit the most.

    Replies: @Triumph104, @anon

    I don’t know about middle schools, but there are single sex high schools in Texas, at least three boys schools in Chicago, and some girls schools in New York City. They all have below average ACT and SAT scores because they all are non-selective and admit below average students.

    I think the schools are appealing to parents because they teach the basics, are relatively well run, and safe compared to neighborhood schools.

    In the 2014-15 school year, a boy was arrested at Chicago’s Urban Prep boys high school for bringing a gun to school. He said that gangs were targeting him on his way to school and he needed protection. A few months later another Urban Prep student was murdered by a gang member. Unfortunately kids aren’t safe once they leave the school grounds.

    (As far as I know it is not legal to have single sex public schools. The schools just hope that only one sex applies for admission. There is a least one girl at Urban Prep.)

  61. @Buffalo Joe
    @Anonymous

    Anonymous, Did they mount them or eat them ? No use wasting all that meat. And what is the bag limit on Gypsies?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Nowadays the Danish just bag the valuables of the refugees when they arrive.

  62. Ivy says:

    What plausible solutions may be proposed by the iSteve readership?

    Continuing on the present course appears to be a money-waster and life waster. Do you want your kids or others to have these same issues fester?

    Who wants more of the Detroit, Chicago, Newark, Baltimore, etc education results, dysfunction, crime and incarceration when there may be cheaper alternatives that make life better for all in a city, neighborhood or even region?

    Which cities are doing well now on those problems and how might their lessons be emulated?

  63. Would love to see the adjustment for marriage status of the parents and profession too.

  64. @joeyjoejoe
    I have a secondary question for you you may want to address.

    "White kids in Berkeley averaged an impressive 2.7 grade levels higher than the national average across all races. "

    This seems almost impossible. If I assume the national average 4th grader is performing at the 4th grade level, this suggests that the average white Berkelyite 4th grader is performing at the late 7th grade level (and 1st grader at the late 4th grade level, and so on).

    I find this difficult to believe. I have kids, and I am loosely familiar with kids books/math capacity and so on. My gut instinct tells me that a 1st grader doing late 4th grade math work (or a 4th grader doing late 7th grade math work) is essentially in the gifted/talented category (and not just genetically bright or ahead). If you think about your own kids' school (and the brightness of their classmates), I can accept that there's that one guy who is reading Harry Potter in kindergarten. But even the bright kids-well ahead of the norm-aren't. They are the best in their class, but not that far advanced-they're reading chapter books early, or starting to read a bit more sophisticated stuff before the class as a whole does.

    And gifted/talented isn't really genetically passable: gifted parents aren't guaranteed of having gifted children (even if the odds may be greater). Brightness is undoubtedly passable (say IQ in the range of 120), but I don't belief giftedness is.

    There must be something hidden in these numbers. I have no doubt that the average Berkeleyite is brighter than average, even much brighter than average. But I would think 2.7 grades advanced is essentially gifted and talented: and I don't believe the AVERAGE berkeleyite child is gifted, just as I don't believe the average adult Berkeleyite is gifted (even if the average adult Berkeleyite is bright), and even if the adults WERE gifted, that trait is not passable.

    So it could be that the average American 4th grader is performing at below 4th grade (thus, perhaps the Berkelyite 4th grader is at 5.7 grade or something similar). It could be that I am wrong in my gut impression: 2.7 grades is really equal to IQ of X (say, 20 points) rather than my gut instinct of Y (gifted, say 30-40 points). Or my gut instinct may be wrong at some other level.

    But I'd be interested in your take on this.

    joeyjoejoe

    Replies: @biz, @stillCARealist, @Jack D, @midtown, @Triumph104, @MSP, @Triumph104

    The national average racial gap between whites vs. blacks & Hispanics is 2 grade levels, to give you a sense of scale.

    http://www.edweek.org/ew/issues/achievement-gap/

    So if you figure that the school age population is around 1/2 white, 1/2 other, that means that the average white kid would be around 1 grade level above the average of all races. So the white kids in Berkeley are ANOTHER 1.7 grade levels ahead of the average white kid. If you figure that the average white kid in Berkeley is the child of a professor or other educated professional, this is not impossible. Figure that these kids are either actual Ashkenazi Jews or about as smart as average Ashkenazi Jews – they are a group that is roughly as far ahead of whites in intelligence as whites are of blacks. Because Jews are such a small segment of the population, 3 out of 4 smart people will still be non-Jewish on average.

  65. @Perspective
    From your article:
    "Something similar has happened in the city with the second-smallest white-black gap, Detroit, where the public schools are now only 3 percent white, and five out of every eight white children left in Detroit live in poverty."

    I think many of the "whites" in Detroit schools are middle eastern, though I wouldn't doubt that the few Euro-whites are not performing particularly well relative to national means.

    Replies: @Langley, @Jefferson, @Paul Jolliffe

    “Something similar has happened in the city with the second-smallest white-black gap, Detroit, where the public schools are now only 3 percent white, and five out of every eight white children left in Detroit live in poverty.”

    La Griffe has looked at this too:

    THE EFFECT OF URBAN FLIGHT
    ON IQ DISTRIBUTION
    http://lagriffedulion.f2s.com/city.htm

  66. @AndrewR
    Steve, your obsession with proving whites' cognitive superiority over NAMs leads me to believe you don't actually spend much time interacting with average whites.

    My local news site just posted a story about how the Navy Seal killed by Daesh was the grandson of Charles Keating Jr of savings and loan scandal infamy. Not only *a* grandson but THE namesake. Charlie Keating IV. And the comments were full of dozens of white people expressing outrage at how it was "tabloid journalism" and "sensationalist" to mention who the sailor's grandfather was. Not just "how is this relevant?" comments but "YOU IDIOT WORTHLESS SCUMBAGS HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE NAME OF THIS BRAVE SAILOR." The comments that didn't include complaints about the mention were sparse, and the comments justifying the mention were nonexistent.

    Maybe I'm reading too much into this but that's just one example of many instances of the average white person being a total idiot.

    At the present time I just don't see the value in harping on how dumb NAMs supposedly are. The average white person is very dumb too. This is why we need a system in which the average person is more powerless than in our current system. Power in the hands of the stupid is a dangerous thing.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @e, @William BadWhite, @Jeff, @syonredux, @Jack Hanson, @neon2, @anon

    So Andrew, you find the intelligence of the average white person to be “very dumb”. What’s your opinion then of the intelligence of these other racial groups?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Jeff

    Slightly less dumb to much dumber.

    Replies: @syonredux

  67. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Are school districts big and bulky on the West Coast or some other big metro areas? Do high performing school districts get grouped with the rest so they don’t stand out as much?

    Are people more likely to send their kids to private schools out there?

    A lot of northeast schools seemed to be near the top of the graph, and there’s more municipal control of school districts, so that might make it easier the good schools to stand out than in other parts of the country.

    If there’s bigger school districts and private schools are more popular good public schools rank less in the article.

  68. anon • Disclaimer says:

    One aspect of the problem is discipline and disruption. SJWs ignore it cos “racism” and that drags the whole class down below whatever its natural level would have been.

    SJW teachers make everything worse and if you follow the trail back the root cause is teacher education being hijacked and poisoned by cultural Marxists from the 1930s onwards.

  69. @Jack D
    @AndrewR

    Steve should stop his mild mannered Clark Kent act and change his profile picture to the real one where he is wearing his robes as the Imperial Wizard of the KKK. Everyone with any sense knows that there are absolutely no differences between Japanese and blacks. Tell me again who is the stupid party?

    It's nice to see Steve getting national attention even if it is negative, not that anyone reads Salon.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Judah Benjamin Hur

    I, for one, would follow OberstGruppenFuhrer Sailer to hell and back!

    Wolverines!!

  70. @RamonaQ
    I happen to know a bit about local politics in Chapel Hill. A few years ago i remember there being a huge controversy because parents opposed a plan to bus kids from the bad school districts to the better ones. It was hilarious because it is one of the most liberal towns in the country but they refused to damage their precious schools

    Nearby Wake county (Raleigh) by contrast is an utter spider web of busing and redistricting. When people buy houses they never know what district they will be zoned to in any given year. A few years ago it made national news when the school board was taken over by some tea party guys on the promise of ending busing and restoring neighborhood schools - like the kind they have in Chapel Hill.

    Liberals are very good at taking care of their own

    Replies: @utu, @Anonymous

    “Liberals are very good at taking care of their own” -It is a Jewish trait.

  71. @berniefromaa
    Detroit's downtown area has been in a gentrification process the last 6 years. Most of the white residents downtown are swpl millennials with no kids.

    Outside of downtown there are two neighborhoods in Detroit that have more than a handful of white people. The southwest part of the city is mainly white and mexican. There is also a neighborhood on the west side called Brightmoor that is full of heroin addicts. Southwest Detroit has one of the only 3 Catholic high schools that still operate in the Detroit city limits. The public school in southwest Detroit is Western High School and it is about 50% hispanic 25% white and 25 % black. It is the 2nd best performing public school in Detroit after Renaissance High School which is comprised of mostly African American students from the city's upper middle class African American population. Renaissance is a selective high school that requires testing to gain entrance.

    I grew up in Detroit in the late 80s and early 90s. My father was a Detroit Public School teacher. Our neighborhood was comprised of Detroit city workers such as teachers, cops, employees of the sanitation dept., and firemen. Most were African American. Including myself, the majority of the kids in the small neighborhood were sent to parochial schools by their parents. Detroit Public Schools hasn't had a significant number of white students since the mid 70s.

    Hamtramck, MI is technically not a suburb of Detroit as the entire city of Hamtramck is surrounded by Detroit's city limits. Hamtramck has a lot of immigrants from Yemen who make up a large portion of the high school in Hamtramck.

    Replies: @Triumph104

    The Catholic school in SW Detroit is now called Detroit Cristo Rey High School. In 2008 it was 50 percent Hispanic, 40 percent black, with half the students Catholic. According to Wiki, “A student admitted in the ninth grade must be able to read at a seventh grade level; students unable to meet this requirement may not be admitted”.

    Renaissance High School like all black selective high schools in the country only has average ACT/SAT scores and most kids fail their AP exams. This includes DC’s Benjamin Banneker, Brooklyn’s Medgar Ever’s Prep, and Chicago’s Gwendolyn Brooks. These schools are nice for the talented tenth who can be smart without acting white and they have guidance counselors who can direct them towards scholarships at elite universities.

    Here is an interesting history on Detroit public schools: https://makeloveland.com/reports/schools

    On international exams most the middle eastern countries test worst than black Americans. Yemen’s score the TIMSS exam would suggest mental retardation. http://timssandpirls.bc.edu/data-release-2011/pdf/Overview-TIMSS-and-PIRLS-2011-Achievement.pdf

    A 20 year-old Yemeni woman was kicked out of a Muslim Detroit charter high school when the school realized the government doesn’t provide funding for 20 year-olds. Although she is nearly illiterate, the school literally gave her enough credits to receive a diploma. http://www.metrotimes.com/detroit/begging-for-answers-why-were-eight-teachers-at-a-detroit-charter-school-fired/Content?oid=2438569

  72. @joeyjoejoe
    I have a secondary question for you you may want to address.

    "White kids in Berkeley averaged an impressive 2.7 grade levels higher than the national average across all races. "

    This seems almost impossible. If I assume the national average 4th grader is performing at the 4th grade level, this suggests that the average white Berkelyite 4th grader is performing at the late 7th grade level (and 1st grader at the late 4th grade level, and so on).

    I find this difficult to believe. I have kids, and I am loosely familiar with kids books/math capacity and so on. My gut instinct tells me that a 1st grader doing late 4th grade math work (or a 4th grader doing late 7th grade math work) is essentially in the gifted/talented category (and not just genetically bright or ahead). If you think about your own kids' school (and the brightness of their classmates), I can accept that there's that one guy who is reading Harry Potter in kindergarten. But even the bright kids-well ahead of the norm-aren't. They are the best in their class, but not that far advanced-they're reading chapter books early, or starting to read a bit more sophisticated stuff before the class as a whole does.

    And gifted/talented isn't really genetically passable: gifted parents aren't guaranteed of having gifted children (even if the odds may be greater). Brightness is undoubtedly passable (say IQ in the range of 120), but I don't belief giftedness is.

    There must be something hidden in these numbers. I have no doubt that the average Berkeleyite is brighter than average, even much brighter than average. But I would think 2.7 grades advanced is essentially gifted and talented: and I don't believe the AVERAGE berkeleyite child is gifted, just as I don't believe the average adult Berkeleyite is gifted (even if the average adult Berkeleyite is bright), and even if the adults WERE gifted, that trait is not passable.

    So it could be that the average American 4th grader is performing at below 4th grade (thus, perhaps the Berkelyite 4th grader is at 5.7 grade or something similar). It could be that I am wrong in my gut impression: 2.7 grades is really equal to IQ of X (say, 20 points) rather than my gut instinct of Y (gifted, say 30-40 points). Or my gut instinct may be wrong at some other level.

    But I'd be interested in your take on this.

    joeyjoejoe

    Replies: @biz, @stillCARealist, @Jack D, @midtown, @Triumph104, @MSP, @Triumph104

    2.7 grade levels higher than 4th grade would be late 6th grade, wouldn’t it? Still very advanced, but not as high as late 7th. Anyway, you might very well be right that 4th grade level is not actually 4th grade level.

    Also, if students are not held back by slower students, they can move ahead pretty quickly. Many homeschoolers advance rapidly because of their class size of 1. Berkeley might be able to cater to this in various ways, especially with tracking and small class sizes.

  73. @AndrewR
    Steve, your obsession with proving whites' cognitive superiority over NAMs leads me to believe you don't actually spend much time interacting with average whites.

    My local news site just posted a story about how the Navy Seal killed by Daesh was the grandson of Charles Keating Jr of savings and loan scandal infamy. Not only *a* grandson but THE namesake. Charlie Keating IV. And the comments were full of dozens of white people expressing outrage at how it was "tabloid journalism" and "sensationalist" to mention who the sailor's grandfather was. Not just "how is this relevant?" comments but "YOU IDIOT WORTHLESS SCUMBAGS HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE NAME OF THIS BRAVE SAILOR." The comments that didn't include complaints about the mention were sparse, and the comments justifying the mention were nonexistent.

    Maybe I'm reading too much into this but that's just one example of many instances of the average white person being a total idiot.

    At the present time I just don't see the value in harping on how dumb NAMs supposedly are. The average white person is very dumb too. This is why we need a system in which the average person is more powerless than in our current system. Power in the hands of the stupid is a dangerous thing.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @e, @William BadWhite, @Jeff, @syonredux, @Jack Hanson, @neon2, @anon

    At the present time I just don’t see the value in harping on how dumb NAMs supposedly are.

    MMM, that should read “harping on how dumb NAMs actually are.”

    The average white person is very dumb too.

    But less dumb than the average NAM. And differences in the mean lead to even larger differences in the tails….

  74. Jack Hanson says:
    @AndrewR
    Steve, your obsession with proving whites' cognitive superiority over NAMs leads me to believe you don't actually spend much time interacting with average whites.

    My local news site just posted a story about how the Navy Seal killed by Daesh was the grandson of Charles Keating Jr of savings and loan scandal infamy. Not only *a* grandson but THE namesake. Charlie Keating IV. And the comments were full of dozens of white people expressing outrage at how it was "tabloid journalism" and "sensationalist" to mention who the sailor's grandfather was. Not just "how is this relevant?" comments but "YOU IDIOT WORTHLESS SCUMBAGS HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE NAME OF THIS BRAVE SAILOR." The comments that didn't include complaints about the mention were sparse, and the comments justifying the mention were nonexistent.

    Maybe I'm reading too much into this but that's just one example of many instances of the average white person being a total idiot.

    At the present time I just don't see the value in harping on how dumb NAMs supposedly are. The average white person is very dumb too. This is why we need a system in which the average person is more powerless than in our current system. Power in the hands of the stupid is a dangerous thing.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @e, @William BadWhite, @Jeff, @syonredux, @Jack Hanson, @neon2, @anon

    Because people have an emotional response to the media indirectly slandering a dead SEAL fighting ISIS – the same media that refuses to mention the race of the perpetrator when some horrible black on white crime goes down.

    The race (or immigration status) of a criminal that broke the law last night is a lot more salient than going out of their way to mention an almost 30 year crime in the obituary of a dead commando.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Jack Hanson

    I didn't view it as slandering. I viewed it as a relevant detail not to mention a human interest story.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

  75. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Hubbub
    Education is the great recycler of old theories that proved faulty in practice in a previous era, yet go into witness protection and are given a new name with a new advocate and lauded as a new panacea for the ills of an education system that is corrupt and defunct in all but name.

    All it took was one decade of social justice warriors - and now their offspring - to wreak havoc on the education systems in the nation. One decade, and, for the life of us, we cannot recover what was once great and internationally lauded as the best education the world had to offer.

    Replies: @anon

    we cannot recover what was once great and internationally lauded as the best education the world had to offer

    1) Scrap teacher education and make it a three year on the job apprenticeship.

    2) Steer older married women whose kids have grown up into teaching.

    Education was deliberately poisoned in the 1930s by cultural Marxists but now it’s mostly running on momentum so break the chain at one point e.g. teacher ed. and it should gradually sputter out.

  76. @joeyjoejoe
    I have a secondary question for you you may want to address.

    "White kids in Berkeley averaged an impressive 2.7 grade levels higher than the national average across all races. "

    This seems almost impossible. If I assume the national average 4th grader is performing at the 4th grade level, this suggests that the average white Berkelyite 4th grader is performing at the late 7th grade level (and 1st grader at the late 4th grade level, and so on).

    I find this difficult to believe. I have kids, and I am loosely familiar with kids books/math capacity and so on. My gut instinct tells me that a 1st grader doing late 4th grade math work (or a 4th grader doing late 7th grade math work) is essentially in the gifted/talented category (and not just genetically bright or ahead). If you think about your own kids' school (and the brightness of their classmates), I can accept that there's that one guy who is reading Harry Potter in kindergarten. But even the bright kids-well ahead of the norm-aren't. They are the best in their class, but not that far advanced-they're reading chapter books early, or starting to read a bit more sophisticated stuff before the class as a whole does.

    And gifted/talented isn't really genetically passable: gifted parents aren't guaranteed of having gifted children (even if the odds may be greater). Brightness is undoubtedly passable (say IQ in the range of 120), but I don't belief giftedness is.

    There must be something hidden in these numbers. I have no doubt that the average Berkeleyite is brighter than average, even much brighter than average. But I would think 2.7 grades advanced is essentially gifted and talented: and I don't believe the AVERAGE berkeleyite child is gifted, just as I don't believe the average adult Berkeleyite is gifted (even if the average adult Berkeleyite is bright), and even if the adults WERE gifted, that trait is not passable.

    So it could be that the average American 4th grader is performing at below 4th grade (thus, perhaps the Berkelyite 4th grader is at 5.7 grade or something similar). It could be that I am wrong in my gut impression: 2.7 grades is really equal to IQ of X (say, 20 points) rather than my gut instinct of Y (gifted, say 30-40 points). Or my gut instinct may be wrong at some other level.

    But I'd be interested in your take on this.

    joeyjoejoe

    Replies: @biz, @stillCARealist, @Jack D, @midtown, @Triumph104, @MSP, @Triumph104

    It is not difficult to believe. It does not mean that the white students are geniuses or gifted. Grade level or proficient just means a minimum standard. Most state exams require a student to test at advanced to show college readiness not proficient.

    Whites with family incomes below $20K score the same on the SAT as blacks with family incomes above $200k. Black 12th graders with parents who are college graduates score the same on the NAEP as the white children of high school dropouts.

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/03/2008-sat-scores-by-race-by-income.html
    http://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reading_math_g12_2013/#/group-results

    Most black and Hispanics need a structured education where concepts are constantly repeated. They simply don’t pick up on things like whites and Asians do.

  77. @AndrewR
    Steve, your obsession with proving whites' cognitive superiority over NAMs leads me to believe you don't actually spend much time interacting with average whites.

    My local news site just posted a story about how the Navy Seal killed by Daesh was the grandson of Charles Keating Jr of savings and loan scandal infamy. Not only *a* grandson but THE namesake. Charlie Keating IV. And the comments were full of dozens of white people expressing outrage at how it was "tabloid journalism" and "sensationalist" to mention who the sailor's grandfather was. Not just "how is this relevant?" comments but "YOU IDIOT WORTHLESS SCUMBAGS HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE NAME OF THIS BRAVE SAILOR." The comments that didn't include complaints about the mention were sparse, and the comments justifying the mention were nonexistent.

    Maybe I'm reading too much into this but that's just one example of many instances of the average white person being a total idiot.

    At the present time I just don't see the value in harping on how dumb NAMs supposedly are. The average white person is very dumb too. This is why we need a system in which the average person is more powerless than in our current system. Power in the hands of the stupid is a dangerous thing.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @e, @William BadWhite, @Jeff, @syonredux, @Jack Hanson, @neon2, @anon

    The European city I live in is still overwhelming populated by its historic white population.
    The nation of which this city is the capital is known for the high average intelligence and even higher cultural accomplishment of its people.
    Nevertheless it is obvious when walking its beautiful streets that almost everybody under thirty is a functional moron, a shambling, overweight, dull-visaged, and brainless hulk, whether male or female.
    Dysgenic social policies and mind-numbing social media have created a race incapable of holding aloft the achievements of its ancestors, much less adding to them.
    Hey Twentieth Century! Thanks for nothing.

  78. @bomag
    @Anonymous


    the tendency of true left wing towns to welcome with open arms poor blacks for decades shows that those lefties have real dedication to diversity.
     
    These are stupid leftists. There are plenty of those, but most lefties inflict their enlightened racial beliefs on other people.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

    I don’t think liberal old money towns have been all that welcoming of poor blacks in the last 30 years or so, but they’re stuck with the descendants of the ones their grandparents welcomed in more optimistic times.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Steve Sailer

    My metaphorical thoughts go back to our religious ancestors, who spent a lot of energy crafting a life that would not get them sent to Hell. The modern secularists are having to re-learn some of those lessons to avoid Hell on Earth.

  79. @William BadWhite
    @AndrewR

    "Maybe I’m reading too much into this but that’s just one example of many instances of the average white person being a total idiot"

    Maybe you're reading too much into online comments from your "local news site"? Naah...

    "The average white person is very dumb"

    You base this assertion on anonymous online comments when actual data would lead you to a different conclusion. Talk about dumb. Pot, meet kettle.

    "Power in the hands of the stupid is a dangerous thing."

    Power is a dangerous thing. Had you stopped there you'd have been correct. By adding the "stupid" you reveal that you've never heard of marxism, trotskyism, or for that matter neocons. Intelligent people with power have brought the world more misery than all the stupid people combined.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @anon

    Do cite this data, o wise one.

    • Replies: @William BadWhite
    @AndrewR

    How about communism and Rachel Carson's DDT nonsense. That's a few hundred million dead right there. Now its your turn - come up with a few hundred million killed by stupid people with power.

  80. @bomag
    @Anonymous


    the tendency of true left wing towns to welcome with open arms poor blacks for decades shows that those lefties have real dedication to diversity.
     
    These are stupid leftists. There are plenty of those, but most lefties inflict their enlightened racial beliefs on other people.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

    I don’t think liberal old money towns have been all that welcoming of poor blacks in the last 30 years or so, but they’re stuck with the descendants of the ones their grandparents welcomed in more optimistic times.

  81. @Jeff
    @AndrewR

    So Andrew, you find the intelligence of the average white person to be "very dumb". What's your opinion then of the intelligence of these other racial groups?

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Slightly less dumb to much dumber.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @AndrewR


    Slightly less dumb to much dumber.
     
    Which NAMS are "less dumb" than Anglo-European Americans? On average? Are you counting as a NAM population a boutique sub-sub-sub group?

    Replies: @AndrewR

  82. MSP says:
    @joeyjoejoe
    I have a secondary question for you you may want to address.

    "White kids in Berkeley averaged an impressive 2.7 grade levels higher than the national average across all races. "

    This seems almost impossible. If I assume the national average 4th grader is performing at the 4th grade level, this suggests that the average white Berkelyite 4th grader is performing at the late 7th grade level (and 1st grader at the late 4th grade level, and so on).

    I find this difficult to believe. I have kids, and I am loosely familiar with kids books/math capacity and so on. My gut instinct tells me that a 1st grader doing late 4th grade math work (or a 4th grader doing late 7th grade math work) is essentially in the gifted/talented category (and not just genetically bright or ahead). If you think about your own kids' school (and the brightness of their classmates), I can accept that there's that one guy who is reading Harry Potter in kindergarten. But even the bright kids-well ahead of the norm-aren't. They are the best in their class, but not that far advanced-they're reading chapter books early, or starting to read a bit more sophisticated stuff before the class as a whole does.

    And gifted/talented isn't really genetically passable: gifted parents aren't guaranteed of having gifted children (even if the odds may be greater). Brightness is undoubtedly passable (say IQ in the range of 120), but I don't belief giftedness is.

    There must be something hidden in these numbers. I have no doubt that the average Berkeleyite is brighter than average, even much brighter than average. But I would think 2.7 grades advanced is essentially gifted and talented: and I don't believe the AVERAGE berkeleyite child is gifted, just as I don't believe the average adult Berkeleyite is gifted (even if the average adult Berkeleyite is bright), and even if the adults WERE gifted, that trait is not passable.

    So it could be that the average American 4th grader is performing at below 4th grade (thus, perhaps the Berkelyite 4th grader is at 5.7 grade or something similar). It could be that I am wrong in my gut impression: 2.7 grades is really equal to IQ of X (say, 20 points) rather than my gut instinct of Y (gifted, say 30-40 points). Or my gut instinct may be wrong at some other level.

    But I'd be interested in your take on this.

    joeyjoejoe

    Replies: @biz, @stillCARealist, @Jack D, @midtown, @Triumph104, @MSP, @Triumph104

    What are the criteria used for measuring grade levels? Our school district uses MAP tests to measure progress. The interesting thing about MAP tests is the scores are comparable across grades. My daughter was getting scores in 4th grade that put her in the 85th+ percentile for 11th graders. My daughter is extremely bright, but there’s no possible way she was better at math than 85% of 11th graders. I suspect it’s certainly possible that she was significantly better at the math she was being taught (6th grade math at the time) than 11th graders were and that influenced the scores.

  83. @Whiskey
    @AndrewR

    The Average person was correct and you were wrong. What mattered was the sacrifice of the SEAL, not who his grandfather was. The average person rejected the Calvinist/Christian blood-guilt idea and instead focused on the heroism and sacrifice.

    The article intended to demean and reduce the sacrifice of the dead SEAL in favor of scandal mongering over his grandfather. You are either a nationalist in favor of the nation, and its symbols, sacrifices, and people; or one of the Calvinists putting personal predestined "saved" karma of a few self-selected elite over everyone else.

    See the noxious and ever lasting fruit of Calvinism -- the idea that you personally as an individual because of some talent, favor, luck, whatever are "better" and more favored by the Divine, "Right Side of History" etc. than the masses from which you sprang. Upper Class Whites from Germanic ancestry and Ashkenazi Jews in outside Israel* are especially prone to this disease.

    *Israeli military service and the constant threat of Muslims trying to kill them every day tends to knock off the idea of Divine/History selection since dying or living can be as simple as being either late or early for a pizza, a bus, etc. I.E. Randomness erases the idea of pre-selection and what else is their but blood and family and heritage?

    Replies: @AndrewR

    You’re arguing against things I didn’t say.

  84. @Jack Hanson
    @AndrewR

    Because people have an emotional response to the media indirectly slandering a dead SEAL fighting ISIS - the same media that refuses to mention the race of the perpetrator when some horrible black on white crime goes down.

    The race (or immigration status) of a criminal that broke the law last night is a lot more salient than going out of their way to mention an almost 30 year crime in the obituary of a dead commando.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    I didn’t view it as slandering. I viewed it as a relevant detail not to mention a human interest story.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @AndrewR

    You're being myopic. I can't tell if it's accidental or purposeful.

    Again, this is the media that can't say "illegal alien" "black criminal" or "Islamic terrorist" but thinks that a dead SEAL's granddaddy is relevant. Its not, just a final shiv against a man who died doing the honorable thing.

  85. And the crevasse is only going to grow:

    Since 1960, the nation’s Latino population has increased nearly ninefold, from 6.3 million then to 55.3 million by 2014. It is projected to grow to 119 million by 2060, according to the latest projections from the U.S. Census Bureau

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/04/19/statistical-portrait-of-hispanics-in-the-united-states-key-charts/

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @syonredux

    George Friedman has a compelling theory that, given demographic projections, by the end of the century Mexico will have a good chance at annexing its former territory.

    Replies: @syonredux, @SPMoore8, @SPMoore8, @bomag

  86. @AndrewR
    @Jeff

    Slightly less dumb to much dumber.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Slightly less dumb to much dumber.

    Which NAMS are “less dumb” than Anglo-European Americans? On average? Are you counting as a NAM population a boutique sub-sub-sub group?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @syonredux

    Ashkenazim.

    Replies: @syonredux

  87. @syonredux
    And the crevasse is only going to grow:

    Since 1960, the nation’s Latino population has increased nearly ninefold, from 6.3 million then to 55.3 million by 2014. It is projected to grow to 119 million by 2060, according to the latest projections from the U.S. Census Bureau
     
    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/04/19/statistical-portrait-of-hispanics-in-the-united-states-key-charts/

    Replies: @AndrewR

    George Friedman has a compelling theory that, given demographic projections, by the end of the century Mexico will have a good chance at annexing its former territory.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @AndrewR


    George Friedman has a compelling theory that, given demographic projections, by the end of the century Mexico will have a good chance at annexing its former territory.
     
    Why bother? The Elite plan to have the US and Mexico merge by then. Goodbye Anglo-America.
    , @SPMoore8
    @AndrewR

    Well, you are cooking tonight!

    First of all, yes, this board does tend to harp on how dumb NAM's are. Most of that has to do with the notion that the difference between average NAM scores and non-NAM scores is due to the presence of phlogiston, I'm sorry, I meant to say, racism, and if we could only eradicate phlogiston racism, then the difference would disappear. So the fundamental point that needs to be made, because it is a POV that is suppressed, derided, and attacked, even though it is true, is that different ethno-racial groups cluster around different skill sets, and one of those skill sets is General Intelligence, and the way in which "g" manifests itself is in education, so that the difference in group educational achievements is (at least significantly) due to genetic inheritance, and not due to racism or an educational and testing curriculum that needs to undergo politically correct revision every time someone leaks the test scores.

    This fact shouldn't be used to derogate Blacks or Latinos. After all, if, say, 2/3 of these groups are 1 standard deviation below normal, then it follows that about .667 x 70 MM of these groups, call it 45 MM, are at or below 100 IQ. But there are about 250 MM non-NAM's in the US, and it should follow that there must be about 125 MM general ordinary white folks who also have an IQ in the double digits or close. What that means is that we need public policy for this large percentage of our population, regardless of race, but with attentiveness and respect for those who fall well below the line, so that they can have a meaningful, productive, and well-ordered life. However, once we recognize that "g" and general cultural issues have more to do with these things than racism or privilege, we will, by necessity, come up with different solutions, maybe even solutions that work.

    Differences in intelligence can also be used in a cautionary sense with regard to immigration, of course. It is really somewhat questionable why the US, or any other developed nation, which are heavily biased towards high IQ in virtually all domains, would deliberately import persons with IQ's that are deficient, especially since we can't even offer a decent life for our own people whose IQ's are deficient (deficient in terms of the demands of a post-industrial society, this is not a value judgment.)

    Finally, WRT to the SEAL; there's nothing wrong with expressing outrage about the (essentially meaningless) factoid that the person killed was the namesake of a white collar crook. Imagine a lede like this: "Man rescues drowning family / ironically, his father was the Butcher of Baghdad". That is truly journalism at its worst.

    , @SPMoore8
    @AndrewR

    I seriously doubt if Mexico will ever annex its former territories, because if it did, it would be in as bad shape as the rest of Mexico within a couple of decades. I don't think the Mexicans want that, and I don't think the illegal immigrant Mexicans want that, either.

    Remember, these Mexicans are not coming to the US in order to squat for reconquista. They are coming here because they can make actual money here, have a decent life here, get social benefits that actually function properly, have an environment where they are physically much safer, and have a better future. It's like a black couple moving out of the ghetto into a white suburb: they aren't doing this to be the expeditionary force for some colony ghetto, they are moving there to get away from the ghetto.

    , @bomag
    @AndrewR

    Andrew R, your comments remind me that at a basic level life is about racial animosity and conquest.

    Mexico annexing the Southwest? This is just jackals feasting on a carcass. The economy and infrastructure is something that Mexico cannot build nor maintain; just more dreary evidence of civilizational decline.

  88. @syonredux
    @AndrewR


    Slightly less dumb to much dumber.
     
    Which NAMS are "less dumb" than Anglo-European Americans? On average? Are you counting as a NAM population a boutique sub-sub-sub group?

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Ashkenazim.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @AndrewR


    Which NAMS are "less dumb" than Anglo-European Americans? On average? Are you counting as a NAM population a boutique sub-sub-sub group?


    Ashkenazim.
     
    They're not NAM. Any real candidates?
  89. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR
    Steve, your obsession with proving whites' cognitive superiority over NAMs leads me to believe you don't actually spend much time interacting with average whites.

    My local news site just posted a story about how the Navy Seal killed by Daesh was the grandson of Charles Keating Jr of savings and loan scandal infamy. Not only *a* grandson but THE namesake. Charlie Keating IV. And the comments were full of dozens of white people expressing outrage at how it was "tabloid journalism" and "sensationalist" to mention who the sailor's grandfather was. Not just "how is this relevant?" comments but "YOU IDIOT WORTHLESS SCUMBAGS HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE NAME OF THIS BRAVE SAILOR." The comments that didn't include complaints about the mention were sparse, and the comments justifying the mention were nonexistent.

    Maybe I'm reading too much into this but that's just one example of many instances of the average white person being a total idiot.

    At the present time I just don't see the value in harping on how dumb NAMs supposedly are. The average white person is very dumb too. This is why we need a system in which the average person is more powerless than in our current system. Power in the hands of the stupid is a dangerous thing.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @e, @William BadWhite, @Jeff, @syonredux, @Jack Hanson, @neon2, @anon

    At the present time I just don’t see the value in harping on how dumb NAMs supposedly are.

    The entire culture revolves around a racism that doesn’t exist.

    Everything in the culture is a lie partly because of this one lie.

    The daily psych beating white kids get in school is based on this lie.

    Asians are invisible in the media because of this lie.

    Politics revolves around this lie.

  90. @SPMoore8
    Further on the point made earlier, Berkeley, Chapel Hill, Shaker Heights, Asheville, and Evanston are all university towns: so what that will mean is that the (mostly non-black) universities will strongly bias against the black population.

    Why that isn't an issue in Cambridge, Mass., New Haven, CT, etc. I do not know, probably a zoning issue. I know that most of the Ivy League colleges are sequestered from large minority populations simply by where they are. (Not U Penn, though: but Philly, like New York, is huge.)

    O/T but can't resist: How can any Republican actively support Hillary for president? Impossible, I think. The fact that the National Review is asking for donations because Trump "hates them" just shows that NR is now fully functional irrelevant.

    Replies: @Triumph104, @Brutusale

    For example, according to the Stanford database, the overall highest-scoring public school district in the country is one of the oldest, Lexington, Mass., where many Harvard and MIT professors live. Recent residents of Lexington have included linguist Noam Chomsky, biologist Edward O. Wilson, the late philosopher John Rawls, and eight Nobel laureates. So, the finding that egghead Lexingtonians might have the best-educated kids in the country seems fairly reasonable.

    According to US Census, Lexington, MA is 75.5 percent white, 19.9 Asian, 2.3 percent Hispanic, and 1.5 percent black.

    Here is the disciplinary data for Lexington High School.

    Student Group Students Students Disciplined
    All Students 2,140 42
    ELL 52 0
    Economically disadvantaged 146 10
    Students w/disabilities 226 11
    High needs 397 17
    Female 1,046 11
    Male 1,094 31
    Amer. Ind. or Alaska Nat. 3
    Asian 669 8
    Afr. Amer./Black 96 10
    Hispanic/Latino 90 0
    Multi-race, Non-Hisp./Lat. 82 1
    Nat. Haw. or Pacif. Isl. 0
    White 1,200 23

    http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/ssdr/default.aspx?orgcode=01550505&orgtypecode=6&=01550505&

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Triumph104

    My husband and I lived in Lexington, MA for a couple of years about 25 years ago.It was a great town, and we really liked it a lot. We loved its beauty, history, and proximity to other charming towns (Concord, Lincoln, Arlington, Belmont and others). Even then it had a fair amount of ethnic diversity, but everyone was obviously pretty upper middle class and seemed smart. It had some nice walking trails and a nice community center in town with a track, baseball fields, tennis courts with lights for playing at night, and a public pool.

  91. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @JerseyGuy
    Interesting re Frisco, TX. Is anyone here familiar with it? I did a few Google street view searches. Looks like a typical rootless, middle-class McMansion Texas suburb. Not trying to sound snobbish but the "Texas Model" seems to be America's best hope (unless it is to break up). Can anyone comment on whether there is a sense of community there?

    Replies: @Anon

    Yes, I live in Frisco and am a regular reader and commenter. It’s as you describe to some degree. There’s some sense of community but certainly not what I grew up with back in small town rust belt America. That is probably some combination of the nature of America today (see: Bowling Alone) and the newness of the populace to the area.

  92. @RamonaQ
    I happen to know a bit about local politics in Chapel Hill. A few years ago i remember there being a huge controversy because parents opposed a plan to bus kids from the bad school districts to the better ones. It was hilarious because it is one of the most liberal towns in the country but they refused to damage their precious schools

    Nearby Wake county (Raleigh) by contrast is an utter spider web of busing and redistricting. When people buy houses they never know what district they will be zoned to in any given year. A few years ago it made national news when the school board was taken over by some tea party guys on the promise of ending busing and restoring neighborhood schools - like the kind they have in Chapel Hill.

    Liberals are very good at taking care of their own

    Replies: @utu, @Anonymous

    “Liberals are very good at taking care of their own”

    They’ve got a clever way with language that makes it hard to tell what they’re really doing.

  93. @AndrewR
    @syonredux

    Ashkenazim.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Which NAMS are “less dumb” than Anglo-European Americans? On average? Are you counting as a NAM population a boutique sub-sub-sub group?

    Ashkenazim.

    They’re not NAM. Any real candidates?

  94. @AndrewR
    @syonredux

    George Friedman has a compelling theory that, given demographic projections, by the end of the century Mexico will have a good chance at annexing its former territory.

    Replies: @syonredux, @SPMoore8, @SPMoore8, @bomag

    George Friedman has a compelling theory that, given demographic projections, by the end of the century Mexico will have a good chance at annexing its former territory.

    Why bother? The Elite plan to have the US and Mexico merge by then. Goodbye Anglo-America.

  95. Jack Hanson says:
    @AndrewR
    @Jack Hanson

    I didn't view it as slandering. I viewed it as a relevant detail not to mention a human interest story.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    You’re being myopic. I can’t tell if it’s accidental or purposeful.

    Again, this is the media that can’t say “illegal alien” “black criminal” or “Islamic terrorist” but thinks that a dead SEAL’s granddaddy is relevant. Its not, just a final shiv against a man who died doing the honorable thing.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Disagree: AndrewR
  96. @AndrewR
    @syonredux

    George Friedman has a compelling theory that, given demographic projections, by the end of the century Mexico will have a good chance at annexing its former territory.

    Replies: @syonredux, @SPMoore8, @SPMoore8, @bomag

    Well, you are cooking tonight!

    First of all, yes, this board does tend to harp on how dumb NAM’s are. Most of that has to do with the notion that the difference between average NAM scores and non-NAM scores is due to the presence of phlogiston, I’m sorry, I meant to say, racism, and if we could only eradicate phlogiston racism, then the difference would disappear. So the fundamental point that needs to be made, because it is a POV that is suppressed, derided, and attacked, even though it is true, is that different ethno-racial groups cluster around different skill sets, and one of those skill sets is General Intelligence, and the way in which “g” manifests itself is in education, so that the difference in group educational achievements is (at least significantly) due to genetic inheritance, and not due to racism or an educational and testing curriculum that needs to undergo politically correct revision every time someone leaks the test scores.

    This fact shouldn’t be used to derogate Blacks or Latinos. After all, if, say, 2/3 of these groups are 1 standard deviation below normal, then it follows that about .667 x 70 MM of these groups, call it 45 MM, are at or below 100 IQ. But there are about 250 MM non-NAM’s in the US, and it should follow that there must be about 125 MM general ordinary white folks who also have an IQ in the double digits or close. What that means is that we need public policy for this large percentage of our population, regardless of race, but with attentiveness and respect for those who fall well below the line, so that they can have a meaningful, productive, and well-ordered life. However, once we recognize that “g” and general cultural issues have more to do with these things than racism or privilege, we will, by necessity, come up with different solutions, maybe even solutions that work.

    Differences in intelligence can also be used in a cautionary sense with regard to immigration, of course. It is really somewhat questionable why the US, or any other developed nation, which are heavily biased towards high IQ in virtually all domains, would deliberately import persons with IQ’s that are deficient, especially since we can’t even offer a decent life for our own people whose IQ’s are deficient (deficient in terms of the demands of a post-industrial society, this is not a value judgment.)

    Finally, WRT to the SEAL; there’s nothing wrong with expressing outrage about the (essentially meaningless) factoid that the person killed was the namesake of a white collar crook. Imagine a lede like this: “Man rescues drowning family / ironically, his father was the Butcher of Baghdad”. That is truly journalism at its worst.

  97. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Triumph104
    @SPMoore8


    For example, according to the Stanford database, the overall highest-scoring public school district in the country is one of the oldest, Lexington, Mass., where many Harvard and MIT professors live. Recent residents of Lexington have included linguist Noam Chomsky, biologist Edward O. Wilson, the late philosopher John Rawls, and eight Nobel laureates. So, the finding that egghead Lexingtonians might have the best-educated kids in the country seems fairly reasonable.
     
    According to US Census, Lexington, MA is 75.5 percent white, 19.9 Asian, 2.3 percent Hispanic, and 1.5 percent black.

    Here is the disciplinary data for Lexington High School.

    Student Group Students Students Disciplined
    All Students 2,140 42
    ELL 52 0
    Economically disadvantaged 146 10
    Students w/disabilities 226 11
    High needs 397 17
    Female 1,046 11
    Male 1,094 31
    Amer. Ind. or Alaska Nat. 3
    Asian 669 8
    Afr. Amer./Black 96 10
    Hispanic/Latino 90 0
    Multi-race, Non-Hisp./Lat. 82 1
    Nat. Haw. or Pacif. Isl. 0
    White 1,200 23

    http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/ssdr/default.aspx?orgcode=01550505&orgtypecode=6&=01550505&

    Replies: @Anonymous

    My husband and I lived in Lexington, MA for a couple of years about 25 years ago.It was a great town, and we really liked it a lot. We loved its beauty, history, and proximity to other charming towns (Concord, Lincoln, Arlington, Belmont and others). Even then it had a fair amount of ethnic diversity, but everyone was obviously pretty upper middle class and seemed smart. It had some nice walking trails and a nice community center in town with a track, baseball fields, tennis courts with lights for playing at night, and a public pool.

  98. @stillCARealist
    @joeyjoejoe

    You're right: average 4th graders aren't performing at 4th grade level. That's part of it. Also, it seems to me, as when my kids took the Iowa tests, that these tests artificially puts kids into higher grade abilities than they could necessarily achieve on their own. I don't know which test scores they're measuring here, but they might be inflating what the kids are actually capable of. That won't erase a racial gap, of course, but it will make kids sound more advanced.

    Also, don't discount the fact that on these tests you're going to get a significant portion of the takers who don't really give a rip and don't try. When we took the ASVAB tests in HS in the 80's, lots of us were laughing afterwards about just bubbling in patterns because we didn't feel like thinking about the questions. If students are told that a test won't count against them for anything, a lot will just shine it on. Even on SAT tests, are the lower-end students really trying? Or would it even make a difference to them if they did?

    Replies: @Triumph104, @Jim Don Bob, @S. Anonyia

    Speaking of trying on pointless standardized tests, Michigan places schools under “state scrutiny” if there is a large achievement gap between the top 30 percent and the bottom 30 percent students.

    Ninety-six schools managed to get off the list. I wonder how many of their top students helped their schools out by answering questions incorrectly or leaving them blank.

    http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/03/see_96_michigan_schools_remove.html

  99. @AndrewR
    @syonredux

    George Friedman has a compelling theory that, given demographic projections, by the end of the century Mexico will have a good chance at annexing its former territory.

    Replies: @syonredux, @SPMoore8, @SPMoore8, @bomag

    I seriously doubt if Mexico will ever annex its former territories, because if it did, it would be in as bad shape as the rest of Mexico within a couple of decades. I don’t think the Mexicans want that, and I don’t think the illegal immigrant Mexicans want that, either.

    Remember, these Mexicans are not coming to the US in order to squat for reconquista. They are coming here because they can make actual money here, have a decent life here, get social benefits that actually function properly, have an environment where they are physically much safer, and have a better future. It’s like a black couple moving out of the ghetto into a white suburb: they aren’t doing this to be the expeditionary force for some colony ghetto, they are moving there to get away from the ghetto.

  100. @Perspective
    From your article:
    "Something similar has happened in the city with the second-smallest white-black gap, Detroit, where the public schools are now only 3 percent white, and five out of every eight white children left in Detroit live in poverty."

    I think many of the "whites" in Detroit schools are middle eastern, though I wouldn't doubt that the few Euro-whites are not performing particularly well relative to national means.

    Replies: @Langley, @Jefferson, @Paul Jolliffe

    “I think many of the “whites” in Detroit schools are middle eastern,”

    A lot of Arabs in Detroit are from Egypt and Yemen, who make Italians, Greeks, and Jews look like Northern Europeans in comprison. Egyptians and Yemenis are among the Brownest Arabs.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jefferson

    Lots of African admixture from all the slave women.

  101. Some Black college freshman in ultra-liberal Iowa City, is claiming he got jumped by three White guys who called him the so-called “N-word,” in an apparently racially motivated attack. But while he claims this occurred Saturday night, he didn’t report it to the police until Monday morning. Twitter is all a-flutter over this obvious hate hoax, at #ExplainIowa. Thought you might want to know.

    http://www.press-citizen.com/story/news/education/university-of-iowa/2016/05/04/ui-student-beaten-family-calls-hate-crime/83911820/

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    "This is not a first-time incident,” Turner said. “This is just a tipping point in a long line of racially motivated incidents that the university seems to be silent on and negligent about."

    A long line of racially motivated incidents? So in Iowa City, groups of White guys go around giving gang style beatdowns on a daily basis to random Black guys they have never met before?

    So Iowa City Whites behave a lot like New Jersey Italians when it comes to gang beatings on Mulignans, lol.
    https://youtu.be/eDDixd7McCs

    Blacks are only 13 percent of The U.S population, but it feels like they commit at least 93 percent of all hate hoaxes, lol.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  102. Detroit city “whites” who send their kids to public schools are heroin addicts or Muslim Arabs.

    There is also a neighborhood on the west side called Brightmoor that is full of heroin addicts. Southwest Detroit…

    I never paid much attention, but pharmaceutical companies caused the current heroin epidemic. It started with the lie that one in three Americans had chronic pain.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @Triumph104

    The sting in the tail of this agitprop piece you have linked to is that we should be down on opiates, while legitimizing the use of marijuana, which never killed anyone. Nice try, but the propaganda ruins the appearance of objectivity in the piece.

    I have had to use opiates half a dozen times over the past 30 years, usually for tooth extractions. I'm going to be really PO'd later this year, if, when I have some more extractions, I am told I cannot get the pain medicine that works for me because someone else is abusing it.

    Same goes for my occasional use of sudafed: Shoot, I was using it back in the day when there was nothing "pseudo-" about it.

    I am OK with a regulated and properly priced legalization of MJ, although I probably wouldn't partake except rarely. I have too many things to do. But I will not support the legalization of MJ if it requires the demonization of other useful and necessary drugs.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Triumph104

  103. @Thea
    @Jack D

    I wonder if all boys and all girl middle & high schools wouldn't help. I've always thought it was better in general but 'at risk' kids would benefit the most.

    Replies: @Triumph104, @anon

    I think at least single sex classes would be better – diff teaching styles would develop imo.

  104. @Triumph104

    Detroit city “whites” who send their kids to public schools are heroin addicts or Muslim Arabs.
     

    There is also a neighborhood on the west side called Brightmoor that is full of heroin addicts. Southwest Detroit...
     
    I never paid much attention, but pharmaceutical companies caused the current heroin epidemic. It started with the lie that one in three Americans had chronic pain.

    https://youtu.be/Hx7WLlJzrlw

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    The sting in the tail of this agitprop piece you have linked to is that we should be down on opiates, while legitimizing the use of marijuana, which never killed anyone. Nice try, but the propaganda ruins the appearance of objectivity in the piece.

    I have had to use opiates half a dozen times over the past 30 years, usually for tooth extractions. I’m going to be really PO’d later this year, if, when I have some more extractions, I am told I cannot get the pain medicine that works for me because someone else is abusing it.

    Same goes for my occasional use of sudafed: Shoot, I was using it back in the day when there was nothing “pseudo-” about it.

    I am OK with a regulated and properly priced legalization of MJ, although I probably wouldn’t partake except rarely. I have too many things to do. But I will not support the legalization of MJ if it requires the demonization of other useful and necessary drugs.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @SPMoore8

    I don't see how legalization of pot has anything to do with the demonization of opiates. A long time ago a mistake was made (probably for genuinely racist reasons) and a perfectly safe herb was included on the same list as narcotics easily capable of killing you. It's as if they put water pistols on the same list as machine guns by mistake. If you remedy that mistake and take hemp/water pistols off the dangerous list, it doesn't mean that opiates/machine guns should be either more or less demonized than before - they should never have been connected with each other in the first place.

    Completely independently, we need to figure out a way to get people safe relief from temporary or long term pain without too much collateral damage. Opiates may fall in the "why we can't have nice things" category. If you have to get by on ibuprofen in order to stop someone else from dying, it may not be too big a sacrifice.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    , @Triumph104
    @SPMoore8

    A chronic medical condition is one that lasts longer than three months, like HIV, cancer, or diabetes. The video doesn't have anything to do with your situation.

    I posted the video to show the origins of the heroin epidemic, nothing more. I mentioned that it is a lie that one in three Americans have chronic pain, so obviously I don't endorse marijuana use for an pandemic that I know doesn't exist.

  105. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @The most deplorable one

    We really need a like button around here ..... Mercifully only 4,000 words, a novel about a gay guy who engages in multiple types of gay sex with a presidential candidate named Bernie Sambers who is, incidentally, a unicorn.

    Well, I know who's getting the next Pulitzer, and it won't be T'Genius .....

  106. @Perspective
    From your article:
    "Something similar has happened in the city with the second-smallest white-black gap, Detroit, where the public schools are now only 3 percent white, and five out of every eight white children left in Detroit live in poverty."

    I think many of the "whites" in Detroit schools are middle eastern, though I wouldn't doubt that the few Euro-whites are not performing particularly well relative to national means.

    Replies: @Langley, @Jefferson, @Paul Jolliffe

    Having been a public school teacher in both Detroit and Richmond CA (just up the road from Berkeley), and currently a teacher in truly one of the nation’s most diverse districts anywhere, I count myself as an absolute authority on all things public schooley:

    Chaldean-Americans (Middle-Eastern Iraqi Christians with an incredible amount of ethnocentric tribalism and Old-World conspiracy-mongering thrown in) make up a huge part of the “whites” of Detroit, Sterling Heights and West Bloomfield.

    Hard-working at the store or business (open late, much to the academic detriment of the teenage sons who are expected to close the cell-phone store or the liquor store), the Chaldean community is the future of America, I think. Not terribly interested in the kind of effort for real academic achievement, but certainly interested in learning enough to get by.

    The girls are usually quite attractive and generally sociable. Many cultures do much worse in protecting their young women from unwanted attention. Chaldean girls do not suffer any unwanted pregnancies. No way. It does not happen, and that is refreshing, given the crude sexual advances that many young black men make toward the black girls.

    Most of the boys are quite confident and happy to be in America. If we are looking for a “model” minority, we could do a lot worse than Chaldean-Americans. If they are the future, and maybe they are, then things will be OK.

    Not great, just OK.

    But, with 4 billion Africans looming on the horizon of the next generation, well, maybe “OK” will have to do.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Paul Jolliffe

    I'm sure Chaldeans are very nice people (though I wouldn't trust them to give me a good deal on a cell phone) but the sum total of Chaldean contributions to Western society is zero. The whole modern world that you see around you , with cell phones and jet planes and vaccines against dread diseases, etc. wouldn't exist if we had to depend on Chaldeans - they can live in an advanced society but they can't create one.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Anonymous

    , @Marty
    @Paul Jolliffe

    In 2003 I became friendly with an Egyptian kid who was a high school junior in El Cerrito. His family ran a magazine/bong store near the Berkeley campus. He proudly told me that he was good in math. I gave him pen and paper and asked him to solve .60 x 38. He had no clue. Nice kid though. The funny part came when he said, "I have no problem with blacks."
    His brother in law, also Egyptian, responded, "that's because you kiss their ass."

    , @William BadWhite
    @Paul Jolliffe

    "given the crude sexual advances that many young black men make toward the black girls."

    My high school in Virginia (early to mid 80's) was about 10% black. It had a female assistant principal (first name was "Willie") whose primary job was to interact with (and I assume, try to control) the black kids.

    I'll never forget this - somewhere in the very first week of 9th grade I was walking down the hall and as I passed Ass't Principal Willie's office a black kid walking the other direction very loudly said "Hey Willie! When you gonna let me f**k you in da butt!". She just shook her head and said "oh Andre'" or whatever his name was.

  107. @stillCARealist
    @joeyjoejoe

    You're right: average 4th graders aren't performing at 4th grade level. That's part of it. Also, it seems to me, as when my kids took the Iowa tests, that these tests artificially puts kids into higher grade abilities than they could necessarily achieve on their own. I don't know which test scores they're measuring here, but they might be inflating what the kids are actually capable of. That won't erase a racial gap, of course, but it will make kids sound more advanced.

    Also, don't discount the fact that on these tests you're going to get a significant portion of the takers who don't really give a rip and don't try. When we took the ASVAB tests in HS in the 80's, lots of us were laughing afterwards about just bubbling in patterns because we didn't feel like thinking about the questions. If students are told that a test won't count against them for anything, a lot will just shine it on. Even on SAT tests, are the lower-end students really trying? Or would it even make a difference to them if they did?

    Replies: @Triumph104, @Jim Don Bob, @S. Anonyia

    And the systemic test cheating in Atlanta has been flushed down the memory hole.

  108. @Jack D
    @AndrewR

    Steve should stop his mild mannered Clark Kent act and change his profile picture to the real one where he is wearing his robes as the Imperial Wizard of the KKK. Everyone with any sense knows that there are absolutely no differences between Japanese and blacks. Tell me again who is the stupid party?

    It's nice to see Steve getting national attention even if it is negative, not that anyone reads Salon.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Judah Benjamin Hur

    I really wish people like that scumbag Salon writer would be forced to take lie detector tests with electric shocks. “Do you agree with Sailer?” “No!” ZAP!!!!!!!!!

  109. @SPMoore8
    Further on the point made earlier, Berkeley, Chapel Hill, Shaker Heights, Asheville, and Evanston are all university towns: so what that will mean is that the (mostly non-black) universities will strongly bias against the black population.

    Why that isn't an issue in Cambridge, Mass., New Haven, CT, etc. I do not know, probably a zoning issue. I know that most of the Ivy League colleges are sequestered from large minority populations simply by where they are. (Not U Penn, though: but Philly, like New York, is huge.)

    O/T but can't resist: How can any Republican actively support Hillary for president? Impossible, I think. The fact that the National Review is asking for donations because Trump "hates them" just shows that NR is now fully functional irrelevant.

    Replies: @Triumph104, @Brutusale

    I can only speak to Cambridge. The public high school, Cambridge Rindge and Latin, is for NAMs and whites/Asians unable to afford private school. The almost-literate Patrick Ewing is the school’s most notable grad; oh, the Tsarnaev brothers also matriculated there. The city’s charter school is small but pretty good, and it skims the cream of the NAM crop.

    There are 4 private high schools in Cambridge, but the academic crowd would probably only be using tony Buckingham, Browne & Nichols in town. There are a dozen excellent private prep schools within a 20-mile radius. The libs in Cambridge may be concerned with The Gap, but they’re not exposing their children to the cause.

    If you live in Cambridge (median house price was $854K in 2013) you can afford good private schools for your kids.

    Massachusetts tends to do a good job educating NAMs, but it tends to do a good job educating everyone. That pesky Gap remains, even here.

    • Agree: SPMoore8
  110. @William BadWhite
    @AndrewR

    "Maybe I’m reading too much into this but that’s just one example of many instances of the average white person being a total idiot"

    Maybe you're reading too much into online comments from your "local news site"? Naah...

    "The average white person is very dumb"

    You base this assertion on anonymous online comments when actual data would lead you to a different conclusion. Talk about dumb. Pot, meet kettle.

    "Power in the hands of the stupid is a dangerous thing."

    Power is a dangerous thing. Had you stopped there you'd have been correct. By adding the "stupid" you reveal that you've never heard of marxism, trotskyism, or for that matter neocons. Intelligent people with power have brought the world more misery than all the stupid people combined.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @anon

    Intelligent people with power have brought the world more misery than all the stupid people combined.

    quite

    IQ is a tool; character decides whether it’s used for good or ill.

  111. @Jefferson
    @Perspective

    "I think many of the “whites” in Detroit schools are middle eastern,"

    A lot of Arabs in Detroit are from Egypt and Yemen, who make Italians, Greeks, and Jews look like Northern Europeans in comprison. Egyptians and Yemenis are among the Brownest Arabs.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Lots of African admixture from all the slave women.

  112. @Jack D
    @Brutusale

    We are talking about size of the gap. The gap never goes away but it does get bigger or smaller depending on what group of blacks vs what group of whites you are comparing. Because of the overall 1.1 SD difference in the racial means (a difference that is as stable over time as the gravitational constant) even a black who is 1/2 SD above his racial mean (what you might expect an average high income black average to be) is still going to be slightly below a white who is 1/2 SD below his racial mean (what you might expect an average low income white to be). But if you take a high class white group @ 1/4 SD above the white racial mean and put them in a school system with a low class black group that is is 1/4 SD below theirs, you are going to end up 1.6 SDs apart as in Berkeley.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    True enough. The Gap will be smaller in a place like Cambridge because the bulk of elites, I would say approaching 100%, opt out of public education, leaving a 1/2 SD below white student mix.

    If I remember correctly, a measurably higher percentage of MA students attends private schools compared to CA.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Brutusale

    Actually, a lot of people in MA send there kids to public, even if they are affluent. West coast affluent metros probably have more people in private schools.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Brutusale

  113. @Brutusale
    @Jack D

    True enough. The Gap will be smaller in a place like Cambridge because the bulk of elites, I would say approaching 100%, opt out of public education, leaving a 1/2 SD below white student mix.

    If I remember correctly, a measurably higher percentage of MA students attends private schools compared to CA.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Actually, a lot of people in MA send there kids to public, even if they are affluent. West coast affluent metros probably have more people in private schools.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    In MA you have to distinguish between a place like Cambridge, where the public schools are not that great, and say Lexington where they are. In Lexington, even people who could well afford private school might send their kids to the great public schools but in Cambridge, even if he has to scrape, an MIT professor is not going to send his 1.2 kids to school with Djoker Tsarnaev and various tempest tost wretched refuse of the NAM persuasion. If a white person pulls his kid out of the Lexington schools, it's because they don't want him to have to embark on a 12 year academic forced march to try to keep up with all the tiger mother offspring.

    , @Brutusale
    @Anonymous

    I actually checked. Public school attendance in CA is 90%, in MA it's 85%. More white Catholic, I would guess.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  114. @The most deplorable one
    Come on Steve, you have got to write something about the Tingleverse. It's all the rage.

    http://www.avclub.com/article/chuck-tingles-bernie-sanders-unicorn-erotic-fictio-235119

    http://jezebel.com/i-got-erotica-master-chuck-tingle-to-workshop-my-dinosa-1700057882

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    We really need a like button around here ….. Mercifully only 4,000 words, a novel about a gay guy who engages in multiple types of gay sex with a presidential candidate named Bernie Sambers who is, incidentally, a unicorn.

    Well, I know who’s getting the next Pulitzer, and it won’t be T’Genius …..

  115. @SPMoore8
    @Triumph104

    The sting in the tail of this agitprop piece you have linked to is that we should be down on opiates, while legitimizing the use of marijuana, which never killed anyone. Nice try, but the propaganda ruins the appearance of objectivity in the piece.

    I have had to use opiates half a dozen times over the past 30 years, usually for tooth extractions. I'm going to be really PO'd later this year, if, when I have some more extractions, I am told I cannot get the pain medicine that works for me because someone else is abusing it.

    Same goes for my occasional use of sudafed: Shoot, I was using it back in the day when there was nothing "pseudo-" about it.

    I am OK with a regulated and properly priced legalization of MJ, although I probably wouldn't partake except rarely. I have too many things to do. But I will not support the legalization of MJ if it requires the demonization of other useful and necessary drugs.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Triumph104

    I don’t see how legalization of pot has anything to do with the demonization of opiates. A long time ago a mistake was made (probably for genuinely racist reasons) and a perfectly safe herb was included on the same list as narcotics easily capable of killing you. It’s as if they put water pistols on the same list as machine guns by mistake. If you remedy that mistake and take hemp/water pistols off the dangerous list, it doesn’t mean that opiates/machine guns should be either more or less demonized than before – they should never have been connected with each other in the first place.

    Completely independently, we need to figure out a way to get people safe relief from temporary or long term pain without too much collateral damage. Opiates may fall in the “why we can’t have nice things” category. If you have to get by on ibuprofen in order to stop someone else from dying, it may not be too big a sacrifice.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @Jack D

    The reason why I mentioned the linkage of opiate demonizing and marijuana use is because it was the main import of the 4 minute video.

    As for legalizing MJ, I'm OK with it, in general, but I'd like to see it dispensed in reasonable amounts in some kind of state store. At the same time, I think we should be honest about the long term deficits from excessive or chronic MJ use.

    As for the idea of banning substances for the common good, I don't like those kinds of arguments, those are precisely the kinds of arguments that not only banned opiates in the first place, but it's the kind of argument that could lead to a banning of all kinds of things, ranging from tobacco to alcohol (again), to porn, to fat foods, to a repeal of the 2nd amendment, etc. etc. along with an intrusive paramilitary force to impose these restrictions on the people.

    I'm not so libertarian that anyone should be allowed to destroy themselves at any time in any way, but let's face it, the War on Drugs has failed, and we need to try another approach. Bottom line, I think banning the substances that people use to abuse themselves, or kill themselves, is treating a symptom, not the disease.

  116. One of the odd things about the list of school districts and student achievement is just what a large proportion, relatively, of the very top schools are in Massachusetts. Some of these school districts might be homes for MIT and Harvard profs, but most aren’t, or are certainly not much affected by the college professor demographic.

    I myself live in Massachusetts and find this dominance a little hard to understand. Is it nature, nurture, what? It’s hard to see how the people in the typical affluent suburb here might differ much from affluent suburbs elsewhere in their occupations or their background, or why the teaching might be distinctly more effective.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @candid_observer

    I drove out to Concord and Lexington too look at the 1775 battlefields and kept passing the homes of famous writers like Ralph Waldo Emerson (right on the Concord battlefield) and Louisa May Alcott, and signs proclaiming this or that to be the first public school in the country.

    So, there's a lot of history along these lines.

    More recently, Massachusetts shook up its public education system in the 1990s and ever since has scored very high on tests like the NAEP.

    Replies: @Jack D

  117. @stillCARealist
    @joeyjoejoe

    You're right: average 4th graders aren't performing at 4th grade level. That's part of it. Also, it seems to me, as when my kids took the Iowa tests, that these tests artificially puts kids into higher grade abilities than they could necessarily achieve on their own. I don't know which test scores they're measuring here, but they might be inflating what the kids are actually capable of. That won't erase a racial gap, of course, but it will make kids sound more advanced.

    Also, don't discount the fact that on these tests you're going to get a significant portion of the takers who don't really give a rip and don't try. When we took the ASVAB tests in HS in the 80's, lots of us were laughing afterwards about just bubbling in patterns because we didn't feel like thinking about the questions. If students are told that a test won't count against them for anything, a lot will just shine it on. Even on SAT tests, are the lower-end students really trying? Or would it even make a difference to them if they did?

    Replies: @Triumph104, @Jim Don Bob, @S. Anonyia

    I am a teacher, and my students (middle school age) told me that they don’t care about their standardized tests, that they bubbled in random answers and rushed through it. I explained to them that these tests were used to judge the quality of their school and their intelligence.

    They told me they still didn’t care, because it wasn’t for a grade.

    I brought this up at a faculty meeting and for some reason the other teachers were totally floored/flabberghasted by the mere suggestion that kids weren’t trying on these tests. I don’t think they believed me. I guess common sense isn’t obvious to everyone.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @S. Anonyia

    I wouldn't be surprised if Texas schools have figured out how to give effective pep talks to students to get them to try hard on low stakes tests.

    , @stillCARealist
    @S. Anonyia

    You'd have to tell the students that they can't promote to the next grade unless they pass the test. Then, if you want social promotion anyway, you take the failers and have them re-take a dumbed down version.

    As to "pep talks" before a test that doesn't actually mean anything personally for a 12 year old, best of luck.

    Tell me, teacher, don't you already know which of your students are learning and which aren't? I'll bet you could predict their scores pretty accurately in advance.

  118. @S. Anonyia
    @stillCARealist

    I am a teacher, and my students (middle school age) told me that they don't care about their standardized tests, that they bubbled in random answers and rushed through it. I explained to them that these tests were used to judge the quality of their school and their intelligence.

    They told me they still didn't care, because it wasn't for a grade.

    I brought this up at a faculty meeting and for some reason the other teachers were totally floored/flabberghasted by the mere suggestion that kids weren't trying on these tests. I don't think they believed me. I guess common sense isn't obvious to everyone.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @stillCARealist

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Texas schools have figured out how to give effective pep talks to students to get them to try hard on low stakes tests.

  119. @Anonymous
    @Brutusale

    Actually, a lot of people in MA send there kids to public, even if they are affluent. West coast affluent metros probably have more people in private schools.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Brutusale

    In MA you have to distinguish between a place like Cambridge, where the public schools are not that great, and say Lexington where they are. In Lexington, even people who could well afford private school might send their kids to the great public schools but in Cambridge, even if he has to scrape, an MIT professor is not going to send his 1.2 kids to school with Djoker Tsarnaev and various tempest tost wretched refuse of the NAM persuasion. If a white person pulls his kid out of the Lexington schools, it’s because they don’t want him to have to embark on a 12 year academic forced march to try to keep up with all the tiger mother offspring.

  120. Portland (OR) high schools will now be teaching ethnic (i.e. nonwhite) history.

    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/305061-183191-portland-to-start-teaching-nonwhite-history-by-2018

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @gruff

    Just after the last black is gentrified out of Portland ...

    Replies: @gruff

  121. @candid_observer
    One of the odd things about the list of school districts and student achievement is just what a large proportion, relatively, of the very top schools are in Massachusetts. Some of these school districts might be homes for MIT and Harvard profs, but most aren't, or are certainly not much affected by the college professor demographic.

    I myself live in Massachusetts and find this dominance a little hard to understand. Is it nature, nurture, what? It's hard to see how the people in the typical affluent suburb here might differ much from affluent suburbs elsewhere in their occupations or their background, or why the teaching might be distinctly more effective.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I drove out to Concord and Lexington too look at the 1775 battlefields and kept passing the homes of famous writers like Ralph Waldo Emerson (right on the Concord battlefield) and Louisa May Alcott, and signs proclaiming this or that to be the first public school in the country.

    So, there’s a lot of history along these lines.

    More recently, Massachusetts shook up its public education system in the 1990s and ever since has scored very high on tests like the NAEP.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Steve Sailer

    HBD wise, Massachusetts Bay Colony was populated by an intellectually impressive bunch (if maybe too religiously fanatic for my taste) and Boston was always a center of higher learning. If anything, the gaps between it and a place like backwoods Georgia would have been even greater 100 or 200 years ago. The funny thing is though, that the original population of Mass. has almost entirely been replaced. There are a few of the old Cabot and Lodge type WASP Puritan descendants, but most of the original stock moved West and the current population is mostly descended from the great 19th century/ early 20th century migration waves. But the intellectual atmosphere somehow rubbed off.

  122. @Jack D
    @SPMoore8

    I don't see how legalization of pot has anything to do with the demonization of opiates. A long time ago a mistake was made (probably for genuinely racist reasons) and a perfectly safe herb was included on the same list as narcotics easily capable of killing you. It's as if they put water pistols on the same list as machine guns by mistake. If you remedy that mistake and take hemp/water pistols off the dangerous list, it doesn't mean that opiates/machine guns should be either more or less demonized than before - they should never have been connected with each other in the first place.

    Completely independently, we need to figure out a way to get people safe relief from temporary or long term pain without too much collateral damage. Opiates may fall in the "why we can't have nice things" category. If you have to get by on ibuprofen in order to stop someone else from dying, it may not be too big a sacrifice.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    The reason why I mentioned the linkage of opiate demonizing and marijuana use is because it was the main import of the 4 minute video.

    As for legalizing MJ, I’m OK with it, in general, but I’d like to see it dispensed in reasonable amounts in some kind of state store. At the same time, I think we should be honest about the long term deficits from excessive or chronic MJ use.

    As for the idea of banning substances for the common good, I don’t like those kinds of arguments, those are precisely the kinds of arguments that not only banned opiates in the first place, but it’s the kind of argument that could lead to a banning of all kinds of things, ranging from tobacco to alcohol (again), to porn, to fat foods, to a repeal of the 2nd amendment, etc. etc. along with an intrusive paramilitary force to impose these restrictions on the people.

    I’m not so libertarian that anyone should be allowed to destroy themselves at any time in any way, but let’s face it, the War on Drugs has failed, and we need to try another approach. Bottom line, I think banning the substances that people use to abuse themselves, or kill themselves, is treating a symptom, not the disease.

  123. @gruff
    Portland (OR) high schools will now be teaching ethnic (i.e. nonwhite) history.

    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/305061-183191-portland-to-start-teaching-nonwhite-history-by-2018

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Just after the last black is gentrified out of Portland …

    • Replies: @gruff
    @Steve Sailer

    They're getting pushed out but not very far. The core, where I live and work, is very white, but the blacks are moving to Southeast, from 82nd Street out to Gresham. That's where the gang killings are now, instead of Northeast. Hispanics are heavy on the far east and on the far west side too, in Hillsboro ("Hillsburrito").

  124. @Paul Jolliffe
    @Perspective

    Having been a public school teacher in both Detroit and Richmond CA (just up the road from Berkeley), and currently a teacher in truly one of the nation's most diverse districts anywhere, I count myself as an absolute authority on all things public schooley:

    Chaldean-Americans (Middle-Eastern Iraqi Christians with an incredible amount of ethnocentric tribalism and Old-World conspiracy-mongering thrown in) make up a huge part of the "whites" of Detroit, Sterling Heights and West Bloomfield.

    Hard-working at the store or business (open late, much to the academic detriment of the teenage sons who are expected to close the cell-phone store or the liquor store), the Chaldean community is the future of America, I think. Not terribly interested in the kind of effort for real academic achievement, but certainly interested in learning enough to get by.

    The girls are usually quite attractive and generally sociable. Many cultures do much worse in protecting their young women from unwanted attention. Chaldean girls do not suffer any unwanted pregnancies. No way. It does not happen, and that is refreshing, given the crude sexual advances that many young black men make toward the black girls.

    Most of the boys are quite confident and happy to be in America. If we are looking for a "model" minority, we could do a lot worse than Chaldean-Americans. If they are the future, and maybe they are, then things will be OK.

    Not great, just OK.

    But, with 4 billion Africans looming on the horizon of the next generation, well, maybe "OK" will have to do.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Marty, @William BadWhite

    I’m sure Chaldeans are very nice people (though I wouldn’t trust them to give me a good deal on a cell phone) but the sum total of Chaldean contributions to Western society is zero. The whole modern world that you see around you , with cell phones and jet planes and vaccines against dread diseases, etc. wouldn’t exist if we had to depend on Chaldeans – they can live in an advanced society but they can’t create one.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Jack D

    "The whole modern world that you see around you , with cell phones and jet planes and vaccines against dread diseases, etc. wouldn’t exist if we had to depend on Chaldeans – they can live in an advanced society but they can’t create one."

    Still a better option than Africans, who can neither create nor maintain an advanced society.

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    The West is the West, and I'm not at all comfortable with the idea of any Middle Eastern culture being its future. But, to be fair to the Chaldeans and (other) Assyrians, back home they're a truly oppressed minority and their homeland is, through no fault of their own, a squalid, restrictive Islamic hellhole. Those aren't really the best conditions to work with.

  125. gruff says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @gruff

    Just after the last black is gentrified out of Portland ...

    Replies: @gruff

    They’re getting pushed out but not very far. The core, where I live and work, is very white, but the blacks are moving to Southeast, from 82nd Street out to Gresham. That’s where the gang killings are now, instead of Northeast. Hispanics are heavy on the far east and on the far west side too, in Hillsboro (“Hillsburrito”).

  126. @Steve Sailer
    @candid_observer

    I drove out to Concord and Lexington too look at the 1775 battlefields and kept passing the homes of famous writers like Ralph Waldo Emerson (right on the Concord battlefield) and Louisa May Alcott, and signs proclaiming this or that to be the first public school in the country.

    So, there's a lot of history along these lines.

    More recently, Massachusetts shook up its public education system in the 1990s and ever since has scored very high on tests like the NAEP.

    Replies: @Jack D

    HBD wise, Massachusetts Bay Colony was populated by an intellectually impressive bunch (if maybe too religiously fanatic for my taste) and Boston was always a center of higher learning. If anything, the gaps between it and a place like backwoods Georgia would have been even greater 100 or 200 years ago. The funny thing is though, that the original population of Mass. has almost entirely been replaced. There are a few of the old Cabot and Lodge type WASP Puritan descendants, but most of the original stock moved West and the current population is mostly descended from the great 19th century/ early 20th century migration waves. But the intellectual atmosphere somehow rubbed off.

  127. Marty says:
    @Paul Jolliffe
    @Perspective

    Having been a public school teacher in both Detroit and Richmond CA (just up the road from Berkeley), and currently a teacher in truly one of the nation's most diverse districts anywhere, I count myself as an absolute authority on all things public schooley:

    Chaldean-Americans (Middle-Eastern Iraqi Christians with an incredible amount of ethnocentric tribalism and Old-World conspiracy-mongering thrown in) make up a huge part of the "whites" of Detroit, Sterling Heights and West Bloomfield.

    Hard-working at the store or business (open late, much to the academic detriment of the teenage sons who are expected to close the cell-phone store or the liquor store), the Chaldean community is the future of America, I think. Not terribly interested in the kind of effort for real academic achievement, but certainly interested in learning enough to get by.

    The girls are usually quite attractive and generally sociable. Many cultures do much worse in protecting their young women from unwanted attention. Chaldean girls do not suffer any unwanted pregnancies. No way. It does not happen, and that is refreshing, given the crude sexual advances that many young black men make toward the black girls.

    Most of the boys are quite confident and happy to be in America. If we are looking for a "model" minority, we could do a lot worse than Chaldean-Americans. If they are the future, and maybe they are, then things will be OK.

    Not great, just OK.

    But, with 4 billion Africans looming on the horizon of the next generation, well, maybe "OK" will have to do.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Marty, @William BadWhite

    In 2003 I became friendly with an Egyptian kid who was a high school junior in El Cerrito. His family ran a magazine/bong store near the Berkeley campus. He proudly told me that he was good in math. I gave him pen and paper and asked him to solve .60 x 38. He had no clue. Nice kid though. The funny part came when he said, “I have no problem with blacks.”
    His brother in law, also Egyptian, responded, “that’s because you kiss their ass.”

  128. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    Some Black college freshman in ultra-liberal Iowa City, is claiming he got jumped by three White guys who called him the so-called "N-word," in an apparently racially motivated attack. But while he claims this occurred Saturday night, he didn't report it to the police until Monday morning. Twitter is all a-flutter over this obvious hate hoax, at #ExplainIowa. Thought you might want to know.

    http://www.press-citizen.com/story/news/education/university-of-iowa/2016/05/04/ui-student-beaten-family-calls-hate-crime/83911820/

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “This is not a first-time incident,” Turner said. “This is just a tipping point in a long line of racially motivated incidents that the university seems to be silent on and negligent about.”

    A long line of racially motivated incidents? So in Iowa City, groups of White guys go around giving gang style beatdowns on a daily basis to random Black guys they have never met before?

    So Iowa City Whites behave a lot like New Jersey Italians when it comes to gang beatings on Mulignans, lol.

    Blacks are only 13 percent of The U.S population, but it feels like they commit at least 93 percent of all hate hoaxes, lol.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Jefferson

    I actually checked. Public school attendance in CA is 90%, in MA it's 85%. More white Catholic, I would guess.

  129. Kylie says:
    @Jack D
    @Paul Jolliffe

    I'm sure Chaldeans are very nice people (though I wouldn't trust them to give me a good deal on a cell phone) but the sum total of Chaldean contributions to Western society is zero. The whole modern world that you see around you , with cell phones and jet planes and vaccines against dread diseases, etc. wouldn't exist if we had to depend on Chaldeans - they can live in an advanced society but they can't create one.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Anonymous

    “The whole modern world that you see around you , with cell phones and jet planes and vaccines against dread diseases, etc. wouldn’t exist if we had to depend on Chaldeans – they can live in an advanced society but they can’t create one.”

    Still a better option than Africans, who can neither create nor maintain an advanced society.

  130. @SPMoore8
    @Triumph104

    The sting in the tail of this agitprop piece you have linked to is that we should be down on opiates, while legitimizing the use of marijuana, which never killed anyone. Nice try, but the propaganda ruins the appearance of objectivity in the piece.

    I have had to use opiates half a dozen times over the past 30 years, usually for tooth extractions. I'm going to be really PO'd later this year, if, when I have some more extractions, I am told I cannot get the pain medicine that works for me because someone else is abusing it.

    Same goes for my occasional use of sudafed: Shoot, I was using it back in the day when there was nothing "pseudo-" about it.

    I am OK with a regulated and properly priced legalization of MJ, although I probably wouldn't partake except rarely. I have too many things to do. But I will not support the legalization of MJ if it requires the demonization of other useful and necessary drugs.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Triumph104

    A chronic medical condition is one that lasts longer than three months, like HIV, cancer, or diabetes. The video doesn’t have anything to do with your situation.

    I posted the video to show the origins of the heroin epidemic, nothing more. I mentioned that it is a lie that one in three Americans have chronic pain, so obviously I don’t endorse marijuana use for an pandemic that I know doesn’t exist.

    • Agree: SPMoore8
  131. @joeyjoejoe
    I have a secondary question for you you may want to address.

    "White kids in Berkeley averaged an impressive 2.7 grade levels higher than the national average across all races. "

    This seems almost impossible. If I assume the national average 4th grader is performing at the 4th grade level, this suggests that the average white Berkelyite 4th grader is performing at the late 7th grade level (and 1st grader at the late 4th grade level, and so on).

    I find this difficult to believe. I have kids, and I am loosely familiar with kids books/math capacity and so on. My gut instinct tells me that a 1st grader doing late 4th grade math work (or a 4th grader doing late 7th grade math work) is essentially in the gifted/talented category (and not just genetically bright or ahead). If you think about your own kids' school (and the brightness of their classmates), I can accept that there's that one guy who is reading Harry Potter in kindergarten. But even the bright kids-well ahead of the norm-aren't. They are the best in their class, but not that far advanced-they're reading chapter books early, or starting to read a bit more sophisticated stuff before the class as a whole does.

    And gifted/talented isn't really genetically passable: gifted parents aren't guaranteed of having gifted children (even if the odds may be greater). Brightness is undoubtedly passable (say IQ in the range of 120), but I don't belief giftedness is.

    There must be something hidden in these numbers. I have no doubt that the average Berkeleyite is brighter than average, even much brighter than average. But I would think 2.7 grades advanced is essentially gifted and talented: and I don't believe the AVERAGE berkeleyite child is gifted, just as I don't believe the average adult Berkeleyite is gifted (even if the average adult Berkeleyite is bright), and even if the adults WERE gifted, that trait is not passable.

    So it could be that the average American 4th grader is performing at below 4th grade (thus, perhaps the Berkelyite 4th grader is at 5.7 grade or something similar). It could be that I am wrong in my gut impression: 2.7 grades is really equal to IQ of X (say, 20 points) rather than my gut instinct of Y (gifted, say 30-40 points). Or my gut instinct may be wrong at some other level.

    But I'd be interested in your take on this.

    joeyjoejoe

    Replies: @biz, @stillCARealist, @Jack D, @midtown, @Triumph104, @MSP, @Triumph104

    Massachusetts usually ranks first nationally in test scores. Over 60 percent of the mostly black students at a Cambridge, MA charter school tested “advanced” on the MA state exam in English and math and nearly all of the rest were “proficient”.

    However, if you click the link and download the 2014-15 school profile, about half of the students scored below 500 on the different sections of the SAT. Even more surprising is that less than 20 percent of them earned an A in any given class and only a third of them had a weighted GPA above 3.0.

    http://www.ccscambridge.org/college/school-profile

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Triumph104

    The link is to the charter school. Those percentages are not remotely attainable at Cambridge Rindge & Latin.

    Replies: @Triumph104

  132. @Anonymous
    @kihowi

    "A practice of Gypsy hunting was quite common—a game very similar to fox hunting. Even as late as 1835, there was a Gypsy hunt in Jutland (Denmark) that brought in a bag of over 260 men, women and children."

    ---Gypsies of the White Mountains: History of a Nomadic Culture

    Replies: @Tex, @Buffalo Joe, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Pericles

    They got 260 Gypsies?

    Very nice, high five.

  133. @Anonymous
    @kihowi

    "A practice of Gypsy hunting was quite common—a game very similar to fox hunting. Even as late as 1835, there was a Gypsy hunt in Jutland (Denmark) that brought in a bag of over 260 men, women and children."

    ---Gypsies of the White Mountains: History of a Nomadic Culture

    Replies: @Tex, @Buffalo Joe, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Pericles

    260 foxes is a record take for a hunt. I’m most curious of what people got to play the foxhounds though. And who was the Master of Hounds? Or maybe it’s a bad simile or just BS.

    These stories always make me recall that Adam Smith actually was abducted by gypsies at a young age.

    In Life of Adam Smith, Rae writes, “In his fourth year, while on a visit to his grandfather’s house at Strathendry on the banks of the Leven, [Smith] was stolen by a passing band of gypsies, and for a time could not be found. But presently a gentleman arrived who had met a gypsy woman a few miles down the road carrying a child that was crying piteously. Scouts were immediately dispatched in the direction indicated, and they came upon the woman in Leslie wood. As soon as she saw them she threw her burden down and escaped, and the child was brought back to his mother. [Smith] would have made, I fear, a poor gypsy.”

    (Wikipedia)

  134. Speaking of crevasses, I spotted this article about Anonymous who taked down Black Lives Matter werbsite. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/anonymous-takes-down-black-lives-matter-website-make-point-that-all-lives-matter-1558004

  135. @AndrewR
    @syonredux

    George Friedman has a compelling theory that, given demographic projections, by the end of the century Mexico will have a good chance at annexing its former territory.

    Replies: @syonredux, @SPMoore8, @SPMoore8, @bomag

    Andrew R, your comments remind me that at a basic level life is about racial animosity and conquest.

    Mexico annexing the Southwest? This is just jackals feasting on a carcass. The economy and infrastructure is something that Mexico cannot build nor maintain; just more dreary evidence of civilizational decline.

  136. @Steve Sailer
    @bomag

    I don't think liberal old money towns have been all that welcoming of poor blacks in the last 30 years or so, but they're stuck with the descendants of the ones their grandparents welcomed in more optimistic times.

    Replies: @bomag

    My metaphorical thoughts go back to our religious ancestors, who spent a lot of energy crafting a life that would not get them sent to Hell. The modern secularists are having to re-learn some of those lessons to avoid Hell on Earth.

  137. @Triumph104
    @joeyjoejoe

    Massachusetts usually ranks first nationally in test scores. Over 60 percent of the mostly black students at a Cambridge, MA charter school tested "advanced" on the MA state exam in English and math and nearly all of the rest were "proficient".

    However, if you click the link and download the 2014-15 school profile, about half of the students scored below 500 on the different sections of the SAT. Even more surprising is that less than 20 percent of them earned an A in any given class and only a third of them had a weighted GPA above 3.0.

    http://www.ccscambridge.org/college/school-profile

    Replies: @Brutusale

    The link is to the charter school. Those percentages are not remotely attainable at Cambridge Rindge & Latin.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @Brutusale

    I'm confused how a city with Harvard, MIT and home values of $854K has such low performing students. Is it due to subsidized housing or busing?


    Cambridge Rindge and Latin profile:
    http://crls.cpsd.us/UserFiles/Servers/Server_3045299/File/Migration/CRLS_School_Profile_SY2012-2013.pdf?rev=1

    Replies: @Jack D

  138. @Anonymous
    @Brutusale

    Actually, a lot of people in MA send there kids to public, even if they are affluent. West coast affluent metros probably have more people in private schools.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Brutusale

    I actually checked. Public school attendance in CA is 90%, in MA it’s 85%. More white Catholic, I would guess.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Brutusale

    Still, it's not a huge difference.

  139. @Jefferson
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    "This is not a first-time incident,” Turner said. “This is just a tipping point in a long line of racially motivated incidents that the university seems to be silent on and negligent about."

    A long line of racially motivated incidents? So in Iowa City, groups of White guys go around giving gang style beatdowns on a daily basis to random Black guys they have never met before?

    So Iowa City Whites behave a lot like New Jersey Italians when it comes to gang beatings on Mulignans, lol.
    https://youtu.be/eDDixd7McCs

    Blacks are only 13 percent of The U.S population, but it feels like they commit at least 93 percent of all hate hoaxes, lol.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    I actually checked. Public school attendance in CA is 90%, in MA it’s 85%. More white Catholic, I would guess.

  140. @S. Anonyia
    @stillCARealist

    I am a teacher, and my students (middle school age) told me that they don't care about their standardized tests, that they bubbled in random answers and rushed through it. I explained to them that these tests were used to judge the quality of their school and their intelligence.

    They told me they still didn't care, because it wasn't for a grade.

    I brought this up at a faculty meeting and for some reason the other teachers were totally floored/flabberghasted by the mere suggestion that kids weren't trying on these tests. I don't think they believed me. I guess common sense isn't obvious to everyone.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @stillCARealist

    You’d have to tell the students that they can’t promote to the next grade unless they pass the test. Then, if you want social promotion anyway, you take the failers and have them re-take a dumbed down version.

    As to “pep talks” before a test that doesn’t actually mean anything personally for a 12 year old, best of luck.

    Tell me, teacher, don’t you already know which of your students are learning and which aren’t? I’ll bet you could predict their scores pretty accurately in advance.

  141. @Brutusale
    @Triumph104

    The link is to the charter school. Those percentages are not remotely attainable at Cambridge Rindge & Latin.

    Replies: @Triumph104

    I’m confused how a city with Harvard, MIT and home values of $854K has such low performing students. Is it due to subsidized housing or busing?

    Cambridge Rindge and Latin profile:
    http://crls.cpsd.us/UserFiles/Servers/Server_3045299/File/Migration/CRLS_School_Profile_SY2012-2013.pdf?rev=1

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Triumph104

    Not busing but Cambridge has quite a few housing projects and also some slummy areas once you get away from the Harvard & MIT campuses. The main reason though is adverse selection - there are quite a few upper income kids (despite the fact that the average Cambridge upper income family must have an avg. of 1.2 kids) but they don't attend Rindge.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  142. @AndrewR
    @William BadWhite

    Do cite this data, o wise one.

    Replies: @William BadWhite

    How about communism and Rachel Carson’s DDT nonsense. That’s a few hundred million dead right there. Now its your turn – come up with a few hundred million killed by stupid people with power.

  143. @Paul Jolliffe
    @Perspective

    Having been a public school teacher in both Detroit and Richmond CA (just up the road from Berkeley), and currently a teacher in truly one of the nation's most diverse districts anywhere, I count myself as an absolute authority on all things public schooley:

    Chaldean-Americans (Middle-Eastern Iraqi Christians with an incredible amount of ethnocentric tribalism and Old-World conspiracy-mongering thrown in) make up a huge part of the "whites" of Detroit, Sterling Heights and West Bloomfield.

    Hard-working at the store or business (open late, much to the academic detriment of the teenage sons who are expected to close the cell-phone store or the liquor store), the Chaldean community is the future of America, I think. Not terribly interested in the kind of effort for real academic achievement, but certainly interested in learning enough to get by.

    The girls are usually quite attractive and generally sociable. Many cultures do much worse in protecting their young women from unwanted attention. Chaldean girls do not suffer any unwanted pregnancies. No way. It does not happen, and that is refreshing, given the crude sexual advances that many young black men make toward the black girls.

    Most of the boys are quite confident and happy to be in America. If we are looking for a "model" minority, we could do a lot worse than Chaldean-Americans. If they are the future, and maybe they are, then things will be OK.

    Not great, just OK.

    But, with 4 billion Africans looming on the horizon of the next generation, well, maybe "OK" will have to do.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Marty, @William BadWhite

    “given the crude sexual advances that many young black men make toward the black girls.”

    My high school in Virginia (early to mid 80’s) was about 10% black. It had a female assistant principal (first name was “Willie”) whose primary job was to interact with (and I assume, try to control) the black kids.

    I’ll never forget this – somewhere in the very first week of 9th grade I was walking down the hall and as I passed Ass’t Principal Willie’s office a black kid walking the other direction very loudly said “Hey Willie! When you gonna let me f**k you in da butt!”. She just shook her head and said “oh Andre’” or whatever his name was.

  144. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @res
    Another possible dataset to merge with this is this compilation of Jewish population per congressional district: http://www.jewishdatabank.org/Studies/details.cfm?StudyID=719
    The Stanford data mostly has the CD for each district.
    I wonder how that would line up with the gaps and the absolute scores for whites (yes, I know not all Jews are white, but it's a pretty good approximation).

    I wonder if there is any way to get a decent estimate of absolute scores by race working backwards from the means and the gaps. Missing Asian gap data would be a problem for this.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    It is possible to aggregate the school district data up to the county level. With 3000 some counties it’s quite likely that it’ll find a statistically significant correlation. However, interpreting it can be a little tricky. Because the jewish population is quite small and geographically concentrated in particular types of places (urban, high SES suburbs, etc) it’s likely to be biased upwards above their direct contribution. I found a similar issue with “asians” at the school district level, where we have more accurate census data.. [It estimated them without controls as something like 2 SD above the mean]. Controlling for educational attainment can help minimize the sorting effect but it also controls away a good part of the signal….

    • Agree: res
  145. In the mid-80s, I briefly dated a very attractive Lexington, MA born & raised, MIT professor’s daughter. I quickly learned that she was home on leave of absence from the (exceedingly liberal) University of CO – Boulder to take care of her cocaine problem; and didn’t seem to be doing a very good job at that. I ran into her about a year later while she was waiting tables at some chain restaurant in the Burlington Mall.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @E. Rekshun

    Regression to the mean, though I know quite a few multi-generation MIT families.

    MIT, BTW, despite the presence of Chomsky (and the fact that Feynman went there) does not have a particularly large Jewish presence for a top tier Eastern university.

  146. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    This teacher I know always argues me about the abilities of some students.

    I tell her that there are some students who are just not mentally equipped to deal with, say, calculus.

    She comes back with: All of them learn to drive.

    So, I say, that’s because it re-uses skills that are already there, and anyway they have an incentive, at least the guys do.

    She says, what incentive?

    I say, to meet girls …

    She comes back with: OK, so all we have to do is teach all the girls calculus.

    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    @The most deplorable one

    Jaime Escalante, the public high school teacher profiled in "Stand and Deliver" taught poor, under-performing Hispanic high school students in East LA to pass AP Calculus. But they mostly just memorized problem sets and were clueless about the theory.

    , @Jack D
    @The most deplorable one


    I tell her that there are some students who are just not mentally equipped to deal with, say, calculus.

    She comes back with: All of them learn to drive.
     
    One has nothing to do with the other - they tap completely different areas of the brain.

    This summer I watched the Barbary monkeys on the Rock of Gibraltar doing what would be called parkour in humans, except they were doing it much better - it was incredible to see them calculate trajectories for death defying jumps and landings and make it every time (at least I didn't see them miss). But not a one of them could integrate a function with pencil and paper.

    One of the marks of what we call intelligence is the ability to deal with abstraction. Driving is a concrete task.

    By the way, of the ones who could drive, how many could navigate using an old fashioned paper map?
    , @Triumph104
    @The most deplorable one

    Former NFL player Dana Stubblefield has been charged with raping a "special needs" woman who he interviewed for a babysitting job. His legal team is arguing that the woman can't be special needs because she can drive and has sold Avon.

  147. @The most deplorable one
    This teacher I know always argues me about the abilities of some students.

    I tell her that there are some students who are just not mentally equipped to deal with, say, calculus.

    She comes back with: All of them learn to drive.

    So, I say, that's because it re-uses skills that are already there, and anyway they have an incentive, at least the guys do.

    She says, what incentive?

    I say, to meet girls ...

    She comes back with: OK, so all we have to do is teach all the girls calculus.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun, @Jack D, @Triumph104

    Jaime Escalante, the public high school teacher profiled in “Stand and Deliver” taught poor, under-performing Hispanic high school students in East LA to pass AP Calculus. But they mostly just memorized problem sets and were clueless about the theory.

  148. @Brutusale
    @Anonymous

    I actually checked. Public school attendance in CA is 90%, in MA it's 85%. More white Catholic, I would guess.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Still, it’s not a huge difference.

  149. @The most deplorable one
    This teacher I know always argues me about the abilities of some students.

    I tell her that there are some students who are just not mentally equipped to deal with, say, calculus.

    She comes back with: All of them learn to drive.

    So, I say, that's because it re-uses skills that are already there, and anyway they have an incentive, at least the guys do.

    She says, what incentive?

    I say, to meet girls ...

    She comes back with: OK, so all we have to do is teach all the girls calculus.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun, @Jack D, @Triumph104

    I tell her that there are some students who are just not mentally equipped to deal with, say, calculus.

    She comes back with: All of them learn to drive.

    One has nothing to do with the other – they tap completely different areas of the brain.

    This summer I watched the Barbary monkeys on the Rock of Gibraltar doing what would be called parkour in humans, except they were doing it much better – it was incredible to see them calculate trajectories for death defying jumps and landings and make it every time (at least I didn’t see them miss). But not a one of them could integrate a function with pencil and paper.

    One of the marks of what we call intelligence is the ability to deal with abstraction. Driving is a concrete task.

    By the way, of the ones who could drive, how many could navigate using an old fashioned paper map?

  150. @Triumph104
    @Brutusale

    I'm confused how a city with Harvard, MIT and home values of $854K has such low performing students. Is it due to subsidized housing or busing?


    Cambridge Rindge and Latin profile:
    http://crls.cpsd.us/UserFiles/Servers/Server_3045299/File/Migration/CRLS_School_Profile_SY2012-2013.pdf?rev=1

    Replies: @Jack D

    Not busing but Cambridge has quite a few housing projects and also some slummy areas once you get away from the Harvard & MIT campuses. The main reason though is adverse selection – there are quite a few upper income kids (despite the fact that the average Cambridge upper income family must have an avg. of 1.2 kids) but they don’t attend Rindge.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Jack D

    Yeah, cruise up Cambridge Street from Lechmere and you see where the R & L "students" come from.

  151. @E. Rekshun
    In the mid-80s, I briefly dated a very attractive Lexington, MA born & raised, MIT professor's daughter. I quickly learned that she was home on leave of absence from the (exceedingly liberal) University of CO - Boulder to take care of her cocaine problem; and didn't seem to be doing a very good job at that. I ran into her about a year later while she was waiting tables at some chain restaurant in the Burlington Mall.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Regression to the mean, though I know quite a few multi-generation MIT families.

    MIT, BTW, despite the presence of Chomsky (and the fact that Feynman went there) does not have a particularly large Jewish presence for a top tier Eastern university.

  152. @Jack D
    @Triumph104

    Not busing but Cambridge has quite a few housing projects and also some slummy areas once you get away from the Harvard & MIT campuses. The main reason though is adverse selection - there are quite a few upper income kids (despite the fact that the average Cambridge upper income family must have an avg. of 1.2 kids) but they don't attend Rindge.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Yeah, cruise up Cambridge Street from Lechmere and you see where the R & L “students” come from.

  153. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Paul Jolliffe

    I'm sure Chaldeans are very nice people (though I wouldn't trust them to give me a good deal on a cell phone) but the sum total of Chaldean contributions to Western society is zero. The whole modern world that you see around you , with cell phones and jet planes and vaccines against dread diseases, etc. wouldn't exist if we had to depend on Chaldeans - they can live in an advanced society but they can't create one.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Anonymous

    The West is the West, and I’m not at all comfortable with the idea of any Middle Eastern culture being its future. But, to be fair to the Chaldeans and (other) Assyrians, back home they’re a truly oppressed minority and their homeland is, through no fault of their own, a squalid, restrictive Islamic hellhole. Those aren’t really the best conditions to work with.

  154. @The most deplorable one
    This teacher I know always argues me about the abilities of some students.

    I tell her that there are some students who are just not mentally equipped to deal with, say, calculus.

    She comes back with: All of them learn to drive.

    So, I say, that's because it re-uses skills that are already there, and anyway they have an incentive, at least the guys do.

    She says, what incentive?

    I say, to meet girls ...

    She comes back with: OK, so all we have to do is teach all the girls calculus.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun, @Jack D, @Triumph104

    Former NFL player Dana Stubblefield has been charged with raping a “special needs” woman who he interviewed for a babysitting job. His legal team is arguing that the woman can’t be special needs because she can drive and has sold Avon.

  155. @seamie
    What about DoD run schools?

    Replies: @prusmc

    I know of one where great emphasis is place on number of students enrolled in AP courses. The scores of these students are held close to the chest. Success measured by input not output.

  156. @Anonymous
    People here like to claim that liberals are hypocrites for avoiding diversity. However, the tendency of true left wing towns to welcome with open arms poor blacks for decades shows that those lefties have real dedication to diversity. It's the people in culturally liberal affluent places like the Upper East Side that give lip service to diversity.

    Replies: @bomag, @Forbes, @a Newsreader

    I think the issue with college towns vs. cities is that college towns have such a low population that there is only one school district, whereas cities have multiple school districts to allow informal segregation. So the cities have just as many poor blacks per capita, but they are shunted into their own schools away from the children of the leftist intelligentsia.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @a Newsreader

    New York City has the nation's largest school public district with over 1 million students. Enrollment is roughly 15 percent white, 15 percent Asian, 30 percent black, and 40 percent Hispanic. Most wealthy children attend private school. The public school district has an extensive K-8 gifted program to which many middle-class whites send their children. The rest of whites agree to send their kids to a particular elementary or middle school so that whites make up over half of the school.

    High schools in NYC are selected by choice. There are over 400 high schools and most whites would be willing to send their kids to about 30 of them. These high schools are all selective in some manner.

    NYC has districts within the main district and District 2 covers "the East Side south of 97th Street and the West Side south of 59th street (but not the Lower East Side)". District 2 is the only district in the city allowed to give preference to its residents for high school admissions. It is nearly impossible for an out-of-district resident to attend a District 2 school.

    There is a strong push to "diversify" K-8 open enrollment schools. Since race can't be used, they will diversify by income, English language learners, learning disabilities, homelessness, etc.

  157. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight
    I think a lot of educators instinctively know this even if it is never vocalized - hence the hatred of No Child Left Behind and the goal of getting minority students to perform the same on standardized tests as white kids. They knew this would be an impossible goal to realize and that teachers are a convenient scapegoat for underperforming kids, rather than their parents or communities.

    I seem to recall a few years back DC proposed abandoning equalizing white and black test scores and just focus on how much of a percentage increase black students could achieve over past benchmarks. It was accompanied with the usual comments about privilege, private tutors, and so on (I honestly don't know any parents who use private tutors), but it was a surprisingly realistic perspective about what is possible.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Steve has proposed this goal : to raise everyone’s scores by half a standard deviation. After all, if the proposed policies (student integration, teacher training, teacher quality, teaching methods, curriculum, Common Core standards, project-based group work etc.) really improve learning outcomes then everyone’s test scores will rise, not only NAMs.
    Everyone gains but the gap remains.

  158. @a Newsreader
    @Anonymous

    I think the issue with college towns vs. cities is that college towns have such a low population that there is only one school district, whereas cities have multiple school districts to allow informal segregation. So the cities have just as many poor blacks per capita, but they are shunted into their own schools away from the children of the leftist intelligentsia.

    Replies: @Triumph104

    New York City has the nation’s largest school public district with over 1 million students. Enrollment is roughly 15 percent white, 15 percent Asian, 30 percent black, and 40 percent Hispanic. Most wealthy children attend private school. The public school district has an extensive K-8 gifted program to which many middle-class whites send their children. The rest of whites agree to send their kids to a particular elementary or middle school so that whites make up over half of the school.

    High schools in NYC are selected by choice. There are over 400 high schools and most whites would be willing to send their kids to about 30 of them. These high schools are all selective in some manner.

    NYC has districts within the main district and District 2 covers “the East Side south of 97th Street and the West Side south of 59th street (but not the Lower East Side)”. District 2 is the only district in the city allowed to give preference to its residents for high school admissions. It is nearly impossible for an out-of-district resident to attend a District 2 school.

    There is a strong push to “diversify” K-8 open enrollment schools. Since race can’t be used, they will diversify by income, English language learners, learning disabilities, homelessness, etc.

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