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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

Asian Supremacy
Steve Sailer

October 07, 2020

Of course, the Asian-black gaps on the SAT college admission exam are immense, with only 1 percent of blacks scoring 1400 or above compared to 24 percent of Asians. At present, there are about 20 high-scoring (>= 1400) Asians for every high-scoring black, and this ratio will only go up as Asians continue to immigrate. Asians scored 290 points higher on average than did blacks. The average Asian score would rank in the top 10 percent of blacks.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. OT:

    Shades of Maggie in 1979?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Gordo

    That was in the ballpark, but not near verbatim. Biden's crony plagiarism has gotten a lot better, but it's only been since he's come down with the acute case of CRS.*

    .


    * Can't Remember Shit.

    , @anon
    @Gordo

    Joe Biden
    As president, I will embrace:

    His inner Maurice Chevalier.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9YbQ6itK0Y

  2. For the Asians really to prevail in modern-day America, they need to take a leaf from the Jews’ playbook and start developing ways to hide their inevitable exercise of wealth and power.

    The Diversity Obsession installed and enforced by the Jews will give them a leg up, since they won’t need to “pass” as white. They won’t want to! It’s no longer in style, you might say.

    It’s also an open question whether or not they have the socio-political chops required for a position of supremacy in a “diverse” society. The Jews have been honing those skills for many centuries. Asians are more heirarchical, to put it politely.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @HammerJack


    It’s also an open question whether or not they have the socio-political chops required for a position of supremacy in a “diverse” society.
     
    They are doing quite well as staff, as opposed to line authority. Why step out in front of the guns?
    , @Happy Tapir
    @HammerJack

    Chinese don’t seem interested in changing the culture of or controlling the places they emigrate to. For instance, most of the economy of the Philippines and Indonesia is controlled by ethnic Chinese, but one would never infer this from outward signs. See World on Fire by Amy chua for a good summary of their economic dominance. Chinese want to toil in private and be left alone. They seem unconcerned with messianic causes like the Middle East.

    I went to a sixty dollar buffet in Vegas a few years ago and I was struck by how overwhelmingly Chinese the clientele was. West coast Chinese must already be impressively loaded.

    Replies: @Monsieur le Baron, @anon

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @HammerJack

    HJ, good comment and the Aisan community will have to drag along those who don't score 1400 and shun any criminal element rather than support and mimic them. No Asian rap yet.

    , @Rahan
    @HammerJack

    Asians will think they're acquiring smarts and connections when Jews intensify interbreeding with them.

    What they won't realize is that this will produce the first generations of "fellow yellow people" will then drift to the countries of origin and begin dismantling China and Japan from the inside in the name of cosmic justice.

  3. What about legalized marijuana?

    The Soma of our day.

    BTW, check out the new face of Mustapha Mond in 2020’s remake of Brave New World.

    • Replies: @kikz
    @The Alarmist

    uuuugh, seen entirely too much of that mug in Brit tv.... she excels as smug/chip on shoulder...

    , @Flemur
    @The Alarmist


    What about legalized marijuana?
     
    This finding is pretty consistent:

    "Now, a study published in JAMA Pediatrics suggests that legalizing marijuana doesn’t draw teens to smoking marijuana and instead may dissuade usage."

    “Consistent with the results of previous researchers, there was no evidence that the legalization of medical marijuana encourages marijuana use among youth,” researchers concluded. “Moreover, the estimates…showed that marijuana use among youth may actually decline after legalization for recreational purposes.”

    If you like numbers, there are numbers here.

    BTW, check out the new face of Mustapha Mond in 2020’s remake of Brave New World.
     
    We'll probably miss that one.
  4. Well, obviously what’s happened is that Asians are stealing all the good SAT juju from the Native Americans, just like the Whites stole all the magic dirt from the Blacks.

    And the solution is the same. The Asians must pay SAT reparations to the Indian Reservations. So now casinos plus test-prep clinics.

    • Replies: @MarkU
    @Almost Missouri

    What a depressing graph, it looks like Joe Biden isn't alone in his cognitive decline.

    How to explain it? well it obviously isn't a genetic issue, it is happening far too quickly for that. If it was simply a decline in the quality of education then one might reasonably expect asians to be affected too. My guess is cultural factors are responsible, an anti-academic culture is toxic as far as cognitive development is concerned. Asians are probably the group least affected by woke culture, they are neither demonised nor told they are a victim group so they are less likely to be concerned with accumulating 'right-on' credentials in order to compensate for their 'toxicity' or alternately being taught that they are oppressed and not responsible for their own lives.

    I'm obviously just guessing, considerably more detailed data is required to do more than that.

    Replies: @anon

    , @eD
    @Almost Missouri

    As per the chart above, the simplest explanation for the drop in SAT scores for everyone but Asians and Native Americans, is the general decline in IQ that has been measured since 2008. The dates of the drop don't quite match up to this but come close. Blacks, Hispanics, and Whites all had similar drops without the races changing their relative rankings.

    For Asians, well after about 2001 they figured out how to cheat on the test. My guess is that the people running the educational establishment have realized that or eventually will realize that and the test will be dropped, with the excuse that it is because Blacks are doing too badly, but really because Asians are doing to well. And there would be some logic to this, since Asians probably really are cheating, though it would be better to figure out how and to counter that. I have no explanation for the Native American drop, maybe this is an effect of the small sample size?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Deadite
    @Almost Missouri

    All kidding aside, what caused the slide in SAT starting in 2000? Well, it looks like the result of increased pressure in schools (especially minority schools) from the immigration surge that began under Clinton and that Bush the Least turned up to “11”.

    So Immigration had one big impact, early. Thanks Bill Clinton and GW!

    The precipitous drop of course is the disaster is common core bs. Asians don’t truck with that crap and so I am sure the surge in positive Asian scores are the Asians doing home instruction and tutoring to avoid the poison from the public schools.

    So Common Core has had the impact that Podesta and his buddies stated - producing a less educated and more compliant populace.

    Thanks Obola and Bill Gates!!!

    , @Anon
    @Almost Missouri

    Was there some impetus for whites of questionable native ancestry to stop claiming native status? Even just a few hundred of those would have a large effect on the average.

    , @J.Ross
    @Almost Missouri

    Actually, that's what we have to hope for: to be left hinterland corners rather than suffering full totalitarian control. Orania is the best case scenario.

  5. It’s a good essay, a bit edgy of course due to the subject matter and Steve’s unflinching intellectual honesty. I can think of two additions or adjustments: one, a less snarky tone. For example, rather than ending with ” Good luck with that.” I’d have said “We wish them luck.”

    Also a mention about how importing African brains is draining African countries, where those brains are sorely needed. It’s another sort of colonialism and every bit as devastating as the old kind we now disparage.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @anon


    rather than ending with ” Good luck with that.” I’d have said “We wish them luck.”
     
    Perhaps, but the less polite formulation actually conveys more information, i.e., that this has already been tried many, many times and has a 100% failure rate for reasons that obvious to anyone but the willfully blind (i.e., the entire ruling class).

    Also a mention about how importing African brains is draining African countries, where those brains are sorely needed.
     
    Good point.

    It’s another sort of colonialism and every bit as devastating as the old kind we now disparage.
     
    The old kind of colonialism was a net benefit to Africa and a net cost to the colonialist countries. The new (brain drain) kind of colonialism is a net cost to everyone. The former is indeed disparaged (though for the wrong reasons), while the latter is praised (wrongly and therefore for wrong reasons).
    , @bomag
    @anon


    Also a mention about how importing African brains is draining African countries, where those brains are sorely needed.
     
    Well, the political track record of smart elites isn't all that great, so maybe Africa Wins Again.
  6. The blacks figure they’re going to scare the Asians into doing things for them. They are going to be surprised.

  7. Most likely there’s a differential decline in TFR across the bell curve of white intelligence. Intelligent white women are more likely to have careers that lead to delayed child-bearing (which is dysgenic) as well as reduced frequency of child-bearing relative to the rest of the white population. Also, do the rates of divorce and age of parents at time of divorce differ markedly for intelligent whites versus intelligent Asians? Nowadays, the children of intelligent whites are probably exposed to less enriching child-rearing environments than their predecessors due to the relative absence of their parents in their lives (i.e., dual-career parents and increased rates of divorce). Although the same social factors (e.g., differential TFR decline) may also affect the children of intelligent Asians, the quantity and quality of intelligent Asians in the U.S. are continually being augmented by relatively high-IQ Asian immigrants.

    There may also be an effect of intelligent white men marrying East Asian women; their children may be more likely to identify as Asian (i.e., the “flight-from-white” phenomenon) given the increasing vilification of whites, especially white males.

    If you think the differences in SAT scores are alarming, just imagine in U.S. whites tried the math section of China’s National College Entrance Examination (“gao kao”).

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman, Rich
    • Replies: @anon
    @Voltarde

    Divorce rate by Native Americans is now the highest among all groups, which might explain the collapse in their SAT scores. They are closely followed by blacks, then whites, with Hispanics far lower and Asians the lowest:

    https://flowingdata.com/2016/03/30/divorce-rates-for-different-groups/

    I think college educated women in general are having fewer children, regardless of race. But the divorce rate among college educated white women is probably a lot higher than college educated Asian and Hispanic women, that's why their children suffer. Almost everyone in my extended (white) family has been through at least one divorce, with the exception of the two who married Asian/half Asian.

  8. This is one of the stupidest articles Sailer has written, and that is saying something since Sailer writes nothing but stupidity.

    When we talk about White Supremacy, we are talking about institutionalized racism that favors white people over other races, giving them unfair opportunities. Asians, conversely, achieved their dominance in academia through hard work.

    There is a fundamental difference between supremacy achieved via unearned privilege, and supremacy achieved through diligence and discipline. Apples and oranges. It is a key distinction that eludes Sailer.

    Sailer is, again, wrong. Quite a habit that he has at being consistently wrong about everything.

    • LOL: AndrewR, Gordo
    • Troll: Redman, YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    @Nick Diaz

    So for you coming around to read Steve's articles is like sucking on a bad tooth.

    , @AndrewR
    @Nick Diaz

    I rate your bait 8/8, mate.

    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Nick Diaz

    Replace the word “white” with “Jewish” in Nick Diaz’s screed and it actually makes him sound quite intelligent.

    Replies: @Prester John

    , @fish
    @Nick Diaz

    Hey....it’s Tiny Nick.....!


    “Hi everybody!” “Hi Tiny Nick.......”



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mGYpsNpg1bw

    , @El Dato
    @Nick Diaz

    Black Victimology:

    US tennis icon Serena Williams suggests she's been 'underpaid & undervalued' compared to white counterparts

    With the precision characteristic of Blacks we are being told what's wrong, but we just can't understand, you see:


    "At the end of May, I had so many people who were white writing to me saying, 'I'm sorry for everything you've had to go through.' I think [that] for a minute they started – not to understand, because I don't think you can understand – but they started to see. I was like: Well, you didn't see any of this before? I've been talking about this my whole career. It's been one thing after another," she added.
     
    Also, COVID.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @black sea

    , @James N. Kennett
    @Nick Diaz

    When Asians and Jews overachieve, it is the result of hard work, diligence, and discipline.

    These virtues are practically unknown amongst white people. So when whites overachieve, the only possible explanation is White Supremacy, institutionalized racism, unfair opportunities, and unearned privilege.

    This harmful and contemptible belief is unfortunately very common amongst mainstream journalists and politicians. To challenge it is to risk ending your career. It is no longer good enough to ignore uncomfortable and intractable racial issues, or to utter platitudes: to stay in the game one must profess ideas that are actually damaging. Damaging to everybody, including black Americans.

    , @Anonymous Jew
    @Nick Diaz

    Racism makes Blacks bad at academics but good at sports. Racism makes Asians good at academics but bad at sports. Racism makes Mexicans stupid but Indians smart. Racism makes East Africans good at distance running and West Africans good at sprinting. Racism can do anything you want to any group of people. It’s the most powerful mind control in the world. Excuse me while I Jew racism myself into making more money.

    , @hhsiii
    @Nick Diaz

    Ya load 16 tons
    Wha’dya get
    Another day older
    And student loan debt

  9. It is quite unclear how this new important reality will impact selection criteria across academia and elsewhere:

    a substantial and fast-growing “minority” group which outperforms the white “majority.”

    Here the word “minority” is used in its original meaning rather than the new common meaning of “under-performing group.”

    Will minority Asian outperformance increase or decrease the degree of affirmative action bias? It hurts Asians most of all — substantially worse impact that on whites since there are still more high-performing Asian children in low-income households. The academic performance gap between blacks and Asians is extreme!

    • Replies: @martin_2
    @Peter Johnson

    " there are still more high-performing Asian children in low-income households. "

    This is what I have noticed having been in education almost all my working life. There is tremendous depth in the Oriental squad. Children whose parents are "Take Away People" that can't even speak good English are innately better at maths than are the children of educated middle class liberal whites.

    I enjoy rubbing this in to said people.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @anonymous
    @Peter Johnson

    I know of one Ivy League school that is pushing hard to hire black/hispanic STEM faculty and, yes, the reality is that whites and asians won't be considered. Not sure if it applies only to men. You are pretty much screwed if you are a white or asian postdoc looking for an academic position for the next few years. I'm sure this is happening to some degree at all the top selective schools.

    Would be interesting if it gets bad enough to see how it affects asian immigration. Malaysia discriminates against Chinese and Indians and it's caused a large brain drain. Of course, if one can dominate demographically...

  10. About the graph for a minute:

    The unz.com blogger Audacious Epigone is very good about keeping the colors straight. I’ve thanked him for this a couple of times, and the Unsilenced Science people you got your graph from deserve kudos. It’s not just about showing some guts and bucking the PC, but this makes it a lot easier to peruse the graph – no going back and forth to the legend “light purple means what, now?”

    (Commenter Res, in particular:) I gotta say that this is a graph that doesn’t need to have the y-axis start at 0, like most should. I think that’s the case for most, as often the range is made so small that small differences are made to seem like the end of the world. However, in this case, what would a 0 SAT score mean? What do you get if you just put your name on the paper, or your name and all (a)s for answers?

    That was another well written and interesting column. I’ll write another comment in a bit.

    • Replies: @res
    @Achmed E. Newman


    (Commenter Res, in particular:) I gotta say that this is a graph that doesn’t need to have the y-axis start at 0, like most should. I think that’s the case for most, as often the range is made so small that small differences are made to seem like the end of the world. However, in this case, what would a 0 SAT score mean? What do you get if you just put your name on the paper, or your name and all (a)s for answers?
     
    Agreed. The lowest possible combined score is 400 (200 + 200). The choice for numerical range is odd, but perhaps makes more sense if you think of SAT score as roughly 10x IQ. Which pre-1995 I think was in the ballpark.

    The original idea was that the subtests had mean 500 and SD 100. The 1995 recentering targeted a subtest SD of 110.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT

    This paper describes the 1995 recentering in detail and has a a discussion of why they changed the SD (which I don't quite understand) on page 10.
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/j.2333-8504.2002.tb01871.x
  11. Maybe more Whites are subscribing to the Good Enough Theory that I did when I took the test

    I did not study and took it once…score was good enough to get into the College I wanted to go to….I chose the College because it was still majority White. Moved on with life.

    Smart Whites are probably wanting to go to White majority schools… so why even Worry about asians and the sat…get a score that Will get you in to North Dakota U and move on

    Being around other Whites is far more beneficial than sat prep

    A breakdown of where non jewish Whites are going to College would be very illuminating…maybe we are seeing a White takeover of out of the Way institutions

    • Replies: @John Regan
    @Thoughts

    You may well be right at least in part, but this is in itself a problem if so. Because what passes for the country's elite is recruited from the Ivy Leagues. Whether the education is better or not, the networking is the important bit.

    Heritage Americans opting out of that means that they get to have even less of a moderating influence on the trainwreck their country is rapidly becoming.

    Replies: @Thoughts, @bomag

    , @Gordo
    @Thoughts


    Being around other Whites is far more beneficial than sat prep
     
    Yep
    , @Mike1
    @Thoughts

    The problem with your "Good Enough Theory" is displayed in your comment. It reads on the semi-literate end of the spectrum. I've received notes like this from second language speakers of English who I'm employing for hard manual labor jobs.

    Replies: @Thoughts

  12. Steve, I think the cheating could be a factor with the Chinese crowd, but I don’t see how you do it without hard-core corruption. Is the memorizing of questions and taking of mass brain dumps to some WeChat account in Mandarin to be used later cheating? I just mean there are “legal” ways to do this that, when combined with all those hours of prep make a combination tough to match by someone just as smart who comes in cold to the SATs.

    I got almost 200 points better on the SAT than I did on the PSAT a year earlier. I didn’t get that much smarter in that time. However, I did have a test prep book, and I probably spent about 20 hours on it. The key was learning a good strategy for taking these kinds of tests*. It was all about the clock, knocking out the easy ones, marking the ones that were someone questionable, and leaving the time-consuming ones for last.

    I got very good at taking tests, and that’s my other point. Due to the practice time, these .Indians and Chinese get in, they have already developed good testing strategies before college. Now, others might learn after a few screw-ups, but this test-taking ability probably translates into somewhat more success in college. That’s not to say it really means anything in terms of intelligence, of course.

    PS: Thank you for that Joe Biden v Michael Scott page! I am ashamed to have missed even 2 of the questions. I watched The Office a LOT after getting the 1st 4 seasons from China from some girl who ripped and burned them there on the sidewalk. (Well, really it was the 1st season of the British show with Ricky Gervais, then the others of the American show, cause this girl had no idea of the difference – all round-eyed weirdos to her!)

    .

    * Until then, in high school, for vocabulary and history at least, it was more about just cramming stuff in my head during the time between periods. One history teacher was a coach who I doubt cared much about the stuff. It was memorize, memorize, memorize, then dump it onto the paper. Luckily that class was right after lunch, so on test day, I’d spend 1/2 hour cramming it in, then “give me my test quick!” I’d think, as the stuff was leaving my brain at a pretty good clip – a 5 minute delay might turn an A into a B!

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Achmed, shouldn't you divulge your race, religion so we can better factor in your testimony?

    , @El Dato
    @Achmed E. Newman


    It was memorize, memorize, memorize, then dump it onto the paper. Luckily that class was right after lunch, so on test day, I’d spend 1/2 hour cramming it in, then “give me my test quick!” I’d think, as the stuff was leaving my brain at a pretty good clip – a 5 minute delay might turn an A into a B!

     

    Economics was pure Keynesian claptrap from a book written by retards using incoherent graphs with differing styles pulled out of donkeys' asses that I had to memorize. That was not fun.

    Luckily I re-read the correct paragraph just before the test. Big win.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @JackOH
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I got almost 200 points better on the SAT than I did on the PSAT a year earlier. I didn’t get that much smarter in that time.

    Achmed, true dat. I did well on the PSAT, markedly better on the ACT and SAT a year later, and even better on the LSAT and GMAT some years after that. I don't have a great explanatory theory. I'll guess I "leaned" toward test-taking after the PSAT because I was pretty good at it, probably read some articles on strategies, that sort of thing. I don't have any recollection of feeling I'd been dumber when taking the PSAT and then got rockingly smarter taking the LSAT and GMAT.

    Replies: @jon

  13. I feel bad for Blacks….they’re always stuck on stupid.

  14. @Nick Diaz
    This is one of the stupidest articles Sailer has written, and that is saying something since Sailer writes nothing but stupidity.

    When we talk about White Supremacy, we are talking about institutionalized racism that favors white people over other races, giving them unfair opportunities. Asians, conversely, achieved their dominance in academia through hard work.

    There is a fundamental difference between supremacy achieved via unearned privilege, and supremacy achieved through diligence and discipline. Apples and oranges. It is a key distinction that eludes Sailer.

    Sailer is, again, wrong. Quite a habit that he has at being consistently wrong about everything.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @AndrewR, @Hapalong Cassidy, @fish, @El Dato, @James N. Kennett, @Anonymous Jew, @hhsiii

    So for you coming around to read Steve’s articles is like sucking on a bad tooth.

  15. @Achmed E. Newman
    Steve, I think the cheating could be a factor with the Chinese crowd, but I don't see how you do it without hard-core corruption. Is the memorizing of questions and taking of mass brain dumps to some WeChat account in Mandarin to be used later cheating? I just mean there are "legal" ways to do this that, when combined with all those hours of prep make a combination tough to match by someone just as smart who comes in cold to the SATs.

    I got almost 200 points better on the SAT than I did on the PSAT a year earlier. I didn't get that much smarter in that time. However, I did have a test prep book, and I probably spent about 20 hours on it. The key was learning a good strategy for taking these kinds of tests*. It was all about the clock, knocking out the easy ones, marking the ones that were someone questionable, and leaving the time-consuming ones for last.

    I got very good at taking tests, and that's my other point. Due to the practice time, these .Indians and Chinese get in, they have already developed good testing strategies before college. Now, others might learn after a few screw-ups, but this test-taking ability probably translates into somewhat more success in college. That's not to say it really means anything in terms of intelligence, of course.

    PS: Thank you for that Joe Biden v Michael Scott page! I am ashamed to have missed even 2 of the questions. I watched The Office a LOT after getting the 1st 4 seasons from China from some girl who ripped and burned them there on the sidewalk. (Well, really it was the 1st season of the British show with Ricky Gervais, then the others of the American show, cause this girl had no idea of the difference - all round-eyed weirdos to her!)


    .


    * Until then, in high school, for vocabulary and history at least, it was more about just cramming stuff in my head during the time between periods. One history teacher was a coach who I doubt cared much about the stuff. It was memorize, memorize, memorize, then dump it onto the paper. Luckily that class was right after lunch, so on test day, I'd spend 1/2 hour cramming it in, then "give me my test quick!" I'd think, as the stuff was leaving my brain at a pretty good clip - a 5 minute delay might turn an A into a B!

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @El Dato, @JackOH

    Achmed, shouldn’t you divulge your race, religion so we can better factor in your testimony?

    • Disagree: Achmed E. Newman
  16. Two women share the 2020 Nobel Prize for Chemistry, for their work in genome editing. There are many more women in working in molecular biology and biochemistry than, say, in physical chemistry or physics, and if the Swedish Academy for the Sciences wishes to award more prizes to women in science, I expect those are the areas in which winners will get selected from the pool of nominees.

    https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/2020/summary/

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @PiltdownMan

    Pilt, if a male chemist or biologist wants to increase his chance of winning a NB, he should transition from male to female. Acadenia falls for it every time.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @PiltdownMan

    These ladies certainly deserved it.

    But a small, still voice within me says we'll see an increase in science Nobels awarded to females because of ideology. These women will be good at work, certainly. Marie Curie was also good.

    But- not that good.

    , @Gordo
    @PiltdownMan

    Oh probably, I'd imagine White and Ashkenazi women will get more Nobels because it's gonna be kind of difficult to give them to SSAs without it being a little obviously faked.

    There was an old film from the 70s where an American ambulance firm was in some sort of hearing, their rivals produced some black crew as part of the bid and the other side stated that they had a woman, which was worth at least two blacks.

    , @Lot
    @PiltdownMan

    ethnicity of 2020 Nobel Physics Winners "for the discovery that black hole formation is a robust prediction of the general theory of relativity"

    50% winner: Roger Penrose: 75% British Isles, 25% Russian Jewish

    25% winner: Reinhard Genzel: likely 100% Germanic

    25% winner: Andrea Mia Ghez: 50% mostly British generic white American, 50% Jewish, which in turn is 50% Tunis-Sephardic and 50% Bavarian-Ashkenazi

    All three winners come from illustrious intellectual families.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

  17. No wonder they’re trying to get rid of the SAT!

    I wish we had a more detailed breakdown of the jatis of Indian-Americans. Some people, even below recent articles, don’t appreciate just how genetically diverse “India” is. As David Reich put it in Who We Are and How We Got Here :

    there are few if any Indian groups that are demographically very large, and the degree of genetic differentiation among Indian jati groups living side by side in the same village is typically two to three times higher than the genetic differentiation between northern and Southern Europeans.

    In developed conditions, India’s mean IQ might be around 92, but the groups (or jatis) in India that plausibly have mean IQs >100 in developed conditions have tiny populations, usually in the single-digit millions: it’s estimated that there are fewer than 2 million Tamil Brahmins, for instance. Most Brahmins are not Tamil or Bengali Brahmins.

    Other candidate groups include the Khatris (think Har Gobind Khorana or Harish-Chandra) Kayasthas (think Jagadish Chandra Bose, or Satyendra Nath Bose, of Bose-Einstein condensate and ‘boson’ fame), the Jains (think Anil K. Jain, the father of biometrics and the most cited author in computer science), the Parsis (think Tata), the Kashmiri Pandits (think Nehru) and the Banias (who make up a disproportionate number of Indian billionaires).

    Altogether, 98-99% of the Indian population does not belong to these groups, all of which have populations in the single-digit millions.

    The only information we have on Indian-Americans is that a bit over 20% are Gujaratis (e.g. Patels), so they’ll mostly be descended from the merchant class. Another 20%, Razib Khan estimates, are Brahmins.

    It would also be interesting to see whether selection has increased or decreased: Richwine estimated that the mean IQ of Indian immigrants to the US was 112. It’s hard to imagine selection increasing much more than that; on the other hand the divergence between Asians and other groups is increasing.

    In Britain, where the mean IQ of Indians is ~100, the main groups are Punjabi Khatris (Punjabis make up 45% of British Indians, most of whom will be Khatri) and Gujaratis. I suspect the proportion of Brahmin Indians in Britain is significantly lower than in the United States (though there are a fair few Bengali Brahmins). Unlike in the United States, Indians do slightly worse than the Chinese when it comes to income, educational achievement and occupational status, reflecting their lower mean IQ, but still better than British Whites.

    Again, there are some myths here: up until 1962, Commonwealth immigrants weren’t selected for, and refugees from Uganda and Kenya were able to come relatively freely in the 1960s and 1970s. It was only after these waves of migration that the government started to select for Commonwealth immigrants, but most of the British Indian population is descended from those who came between 1948 and 1973.

    As for Chinese-Americans and selection over time, it would be good for someone to conduct a formal analysis of Chinese-American surnames: I suspect Sailer’s conjecture is accurate, though.

    • Thanks: Rahan
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @A British Indian

    Is Amar Bose, the half-Indian-American founder of the Bose Corporation, related to the famous Indian Boses? I have two giant Bose speakers I bought in 1983 sitting in my driveway that I need to figure out how to throw away. Maybe one at a time would fit in a garbage can...

    Replies: @A British Indian, @The Alarmist, @peterike, @Gordo, @kikz, @YetAnotherAnon, @North Carolina Resident, @JimB

  18. @Almost Missouri
    https://www.takimag.com/wp-content/uploads/clip_image001-1.jpg

    Well, obviously what's happened is that Asians are stealing all the good SAT juju from the Native Americans, just like the Whites stole all the magic dirt from the Blacks.

    And the solution is the same. The Asians must pay SAT reparations to the Indian Reservations. So now casinos plus test-prep clinics.

    Replies: @MarkU, @eD, @Deadite, @Anon, @J.Ross

    What a depressing graph, it looks like Joe Biden isn’t alone in his cognitive decline.

    How to explain it? well it obviously isn’t a genetic issue, it is happening far too quickly for that. If it was simply a decline in the quality of education then one might reasonably expect asians to be affected too. My guess is cultural factors are responsible, an anti-academic culture is toxic as far as cognitive development is concerned. Asians are probably the group least affected by woke culture, they are neither demonised nor told they are a victim group so they are less likely to be concerned with accumulating ‘right-on’ credentials in order to compensate for their ‘toxicity’ or alternately being taught that they are oppressed and not responsible for their own lives.

    I’m obviously just guessing, considerably more detailed data is required to do more than that.

    • Replies: @anon
    @MarkU

    I’m obviously just guessing, considerably more detailed data is required to do more than that.

    Maybe.

    https://www.sciencenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/040117_digital-lives_main.jpg

  19. @Nick Diaz
    This is one of the stupidest articles Sailer has written, and that is saying something since Sailer writes nothing but stupidity.

    When we talk about White Supremacy, we are talking about institutionalized racism that favors white people over other races, giving them unfair opportunities. Asians, conversely, achieved their dominance in academia through hard work.

    There is a fundamental difference between supremacy achieved via unearned privilege, and supremacy achieved through diligence and discipline. Apples and oranges. It is a key distinction that eludes Sailer.

    Sailer is, again, wrong. Quite a habit that he has at being consistently wrong about everything.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @AndrewR, @Hapalong Cassidy, @fish, @El Dato, @James N. Kennett, @Anonymous Jew, @hhsiii

    I rate your bait 8/8, mate.

  20. @Nick Diaz
    This is one of the stupidest articles Sailer has written, and that is saying something since Sailer writes nothing but stupidity.

    When we talk about White Supremacy, we are talking about institutionalized racism that favors white people over other races, giving them unfair opportunities. Asians, conversely, achieved their dominance in academia through hard work.

    There is a fundamental difference between supremacy achieved via unearned privilege, and supremacy achieved through diligence and discipline. Apples and oranges. It is a key distinction that eludes Sailer.

    Sailer is, again, wrong. Quite a habit that he has at being consistently wrong about everything.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @AndrewR, @Hapalong Cassidy, @fish, @El Dato, @James N. Kennett, @Anonymous Jew, @hhsiii

    Replace the word “white” with “Jewish” in Nick Diaz’s screed and it actually makes him sound quite intelligent.

    • LOL: Charon
    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Has TD assumed a new form?

  21. @Nick Diaz
    This is one of the stupidest articles Sailer has written, and that is saying something since Sailer writes nothing but stupidity.

    When we talk about White Supremacy, we are talking about institutionalized racism that favors white people over other races, giving them unfair opportunities. Asians, conversely, achieved their dominance in academia through hard work.

    There is a fundamental difference between supremacy achieved via unearned privilege, and supremacy achieved through diligence and discipline. Apples and oranges. It is a key distinction that eludes Sailer.

    Sailer is, again, wrong. Quite a habit that he has at being consistently wrong about everything.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @AndrewR, @Hapalong Cassidy, @fish, @El Dato, @James N. Kennett, @Anonymous Jew, @hhsiii

    Hey….it’s Tiny Nick…..!

    “Hi everybody!” “Hi Tiny Nick…….”

    • Thanks: Charon
  22. @A British Indian
    No wonder they’re trying to get rid of the SAT!

    I wish we had a more detailed breakdown of the jatis of Indian-Americans. Some people, even below recent articles, don’t appreciate just how genetically diverse “India” is. As David Reich put it in Who We Are and How We Got Here :

    there are few if any Indian groups that are demographically very large, and the degree of genetic differentiation among Indian jati groups living side by side in the same village is typically two to three times higher than the genetic differentiation between northern and Southern Europeans.
     
    In developed conditions, India’s mean IQ might be around 92, but the groups (or jatis) in India that plausibly have mean IQs >100 in developed conditions have tiny populations, usually in the single-digit millions: it’s estimated that there are fewer than 2 million Tamil Brahmins, for instance. Most Brahmins are not Tamil or Bengali Brahmins.

    Other candidate groups include the Khatris (think Har Gobind Khorana or Harish-Chandra) Kayasthas (think Jagadish Chandra Bose, or Satyendra Nath Bose, of Bose-Einstein condensate and ‘boson’ fame), the Jains (think Anil K. Jain, the father of biometrics and the most cited author in computer science), the Parsis (think Tata), the Kashmiri Pandits (think Nehru) and the Banias (who make up a disproportionate number of Indian billionaires).

    Altogether, 98-99% of the Indian population does not belong to these groups, all of which have populations in the single-digit millions.


    The only information we have on Indian-Americans is that a bit over 20% are Gujaratis (e.g. Patels), so they’ll mostly be descended from the merchant class. Another 20%, Razib Khan estimates, are Brahmins.

    It would also be interesting to see whether selection has increased or decreased: Richwine estimated that the mean IQ of Indian immigrants to the US was 112. It’s hard to imagine selection increasing much more than that; on the other hand the divergence between Asians and other groups is increasing.

    In Britain, where the mean IQ of Indians is ~100, the main groups are Punjabi Khatris (Punjabis make up 45% of British Indians, most of whom will be Khatri) and Gujaratis. I suspect the proportion of Brahmin Indians in Britain is significantly lower than in the United States (though there are a fair few Bengali Brahmins). Unlike in the United States, Indians do slightly worse than the Chinese when it comes to income, educational achievement and occupational status, reflecting their lower mean IQ, but still better than British Whites.

    Again, there are some myths here: up until 1962, Commonwealth immigrants weren’t selected for, and refugees from Uganda and Kenya were able to come relatively freely in the 1960s and 1970s. It was only after these waves of migration that the government started to select for Commonwealth immigrants, but most of the British Indian population is descended from those who came between 1948 and 1973.

    As for Chinese-Americans and selection over time, it would be good for someone to conduct a formal analysis of Chinese-American surnames: I suspect Sailer’s conjecture is accurate, though.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Is Amar Bose, the half-Indian-American founder of the Bose Corporation, related to the famous Indian Boses? I have two giant Bose speakers I bought in 1983 sitting in my driveway that I need to figure out how to throw away. Maybe one at a time would fit in a garbage can…

    • Replies: @A British Indian
    @Steve Sailer

    Oh, I’d forgotten about him. Doesn’t look like he’s related to either of them. Given that Bose Corporation, as you say, sells audio equipment, I wouldn’t have been surprised if he was related to Jagadish Chandra Bose, who was one of the fathers of radio science. But it seems not.

    Indeed, people often assume that Bose Corporation is named for Jagadish Chandra, according to this article: https://interestingengineering.com/jagadish-chandra-bose-father-modern-wi-fi

    Replies: @Tark Marg

    , @The Alarmist
    @Steve Sailer

    Look in your county’s waste management web pages ... many counties will tell you where to take these things or how to arrange for a pick-up.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @peterike
    @Steve Sailer


    I have two giant Bose speakers I bought in 1983 sitting in my driveway that I need to figure out how to throw away.
     
    Do they work? You could try giving them away via your local Freecycle (I assume there will be one). Maybe some Mexican will take them and prop them up in the back seat of his Nissan so you can hear him coming from five miles away.

    Even if they don't work, some audiophile nerd might want to see if they are scroungable for parts. Though I suspect there are way fewer audiophile nerds now than there were back in 1983.
    , @Gordo
    @Steve Sailer

    This is the Bose that springs to mind for me:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_National_Army#Subhas_Chandra_Bose

    , @kikz
    @Steve Sailer

    hurts to hear... they made some of the best for their day!!!!!!

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Steve Sailer

    "I have two giant Bose speakers I bought in 1983 sitting in my driveway"

    Don't you have anything like Freecycle (a site for people who either want free stuff or have it to give away) in the US?

    Vintage speakers can still fetch something on eBay, too.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @North Carolina Resident
    @Steve Sailer

    If they work, or if their wooden cabinets can be reused as speakers or repurposed for something else, post a "curb alert" craigslist ad.
    Salvation Army accepts donations.

    , @JimB
    @Steve Sailer


    I have two giant Bose speakers I bought in 1983 sitting in my driveway that I need to figure out how to throw away. Maybe one at a time would fit in a garbage can…
     
    Back over them with your car. Do they fit in the trash? Yes. Put them in the trash. No? Drive forward over them. Do they fit in the trash? Yes. Put them in the trash. No? Back over them with your car...

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  23. I have an explanation…

    So the School Board says ‘Let’s make a test that everyone can get a good score on/something that represents everyone’s cultures’

    So part of the test is in English, part in Rap/Jive, part in ancient Sumerian hieroglyphs, and part in Han character

    The blacks still mess up the black section, but the whites get everything right other than Han Character, and then the Asians get everything right

    Mystery solved!

  24. @Steve Sailer
    @A British Indian

    Is Amar Bose, the half-Indian-American founder of the Bose Corporation, related to the famous Indian Boses? I have two giant Bose speakers I bought in 1983 sitting in my driveway that I need to figure out how to throw away. Maybe one at a time would fit in a garbage can...

    Replies: @A British Indian, @The Alarmist, @peterike, @Gordo, @kikz, @YetAnotherAnon, @North Carolina Resident, @JimB

    Oh, I’d forgotten about him. Doesn’t look like he’s related to either of them. Given that Bose Corporation, as you say, sells audio equipment, I wouldn’t have been surprised if he was related to Jagadish Chandra Bose, who was one of the fathers of radio science. But it seems not.

    Indeed, people often assume that Bose Corporation is named for Jagadish Chandra, according to this article: https://interestingengineering.com/jagadish-chandra-bose-father-modern-wi-fi

    • Replies: @Tark Marg
    @A British Indian

    “Bose” is a very common surname from Bengal; I’ve never had the impression that there is any common descent among people with this surname. Likely an indication of profession or other characteristic like “Patel” or “Joshi” or “Sailer”.

  25. @Nick Diaz
    This is one of the stupidest articles Sailer has written, and that is saying something since Sailer writes nothing but stupidity.

    When we talk about White Supremacy, we are talking about institutionalized racism that favors white people over other races, giving them unfair opportunities. Asians, conversely, achieved their dominance in academia through hard work.

    There is a fundamental difference between supremacy achieved via unearned privilege, and supremacy achieved through diligence and discipline. Apples and oranges. It is a key distinction that eludes Sailer.

    Sailer is, again, wrong. Quite a habit that he has at being consistently wrong about everything.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @AndrewR, @Hapalong Cassidy, @fish, @El Dato, @James N. Kennett, @Anonymous Jew, @hhsiii

    Black Victimology:

    US tennis icon Serena Williams suggests she’s been ‘underpaid & undervalued’ compared to white counterparts

    With the precision characteristic of Blacks we are being told what’s wrong, but we just can’t understand, you see:

    “At the end of May, I had so many people who were white writing to me saying, ‘I’m sorry for everything you’ve had to go through.’ I think [that] for a minute they started – not to understand, because I don’t think you can understand – but they started to see. I was like: Well, you didn’t see any of this before? I’ve been talking about this my whole career. It’s been one thing after another,” she added.

    Also, COVID.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @El Dato

    El, without a doubt Ms Williams is one of the best female tennis players ever. She might be underpaid, but do the Major Tournaments offer appearance fees like some of the lesser ones? She does a number of TV commercials and I would assume print ads, but I don't subscribe to any magazines so I don't know. Doesn't that count for recognition? Early in her career I think her father caused a lot of animosity by his constant 'all things racist.' Sad when a successful person, make that wildly successful, can't find joy in their achievements.

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @Arclight

    , @Jack D
    @El Dato

    Even though she makes a fortune already, she is probably right to some extent, but the explanation has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the fact that she is built like a linebacker while many of her white counterparts are slim and attractive young women. If you are marketing some fashion product that is supposed to appeal to young women, it's just going to be very hard to make Serena your spokesmodel.

    This is bloody obvious but as Steve has observed, much of modern life consists of not noticing (or pretending not to notice) the obvious. In the modern world, "racism" is the all purpose explanation for everything bad that happens as much as "the devil" was to Medieval peasants.

    Replies: @black sea, @William Badwhite

    , @black sea
    @El Dato

    Half of working Americans believe they are underpaid, so there should be a lot of whites (among others) who can understand and identify with her plight.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @El Dato, @Paul Mendez

  26. @Steve Sailer
    @A British Indian

    Is Amar Bose, the half-Indian-American founder of the Bose Corporation, related to the famous Indian Boses? I have two giant Bose speakers I bought in 1983 sitting in my driveway that I need to figure out how to throw away. Maybe one at a time would fit in a garbage can...

    Replies: @A British Indian, @The Alarmist, @peterike, @Gordo, @kikz, @YetAnotherAnon, @North Carolina Resident, @JimB

    Look in your county’s waste management web pages … many counties will tell you where to take these things or how to arrange for a pick-up.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @The Alarmist

    No one will take Bose speakers.
    You have to find a dumpster.

    I'm a regular contributor here and I had to go anon for this post. That's how intense the shame is.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  27. @Thoughts
    Maybe more Whites are subscribing to the Good Enough Theory that I did when I took the test

    I did not study and took it once...score was good enough to get into the College I wanted to go to....I chose the College because it was still majority White. Moved on with life.

    Smart Whites are probably wanting to go to White majority schools... so why even Worry about asians and the sat...get a score that Will get you in to North Dakota U and move on

    Being around other Whites is far more beneficial than sat prep

    A breakdown of where non jewish Whites are going to College would be very illuminating...maybe we are seeing a White takeover of out of the Way institutions

    Replies: @John Regan, @Gordo, @Mike1

    You may well be right at least in part, but this is in itself a problem if so. Because what passes for the country’s elite is recruited from the Ivy Leagues. Whether the education is better or not, the networking is the important bit.

    Heritage Americans opting out of that means that they get to have even less of a moderating influence on the trainwreck their country is rapidly becoming.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    @John Regan

    You are right.

    People always wonder why if India has so many high IQ people, they can't create this epic society.

    I think white males are the best at working with other white males. There's something magical that happens when white males, all with different strengths, but all with cooperative personalities, get together.

    It's one of the ingredients to the secret sauce of white success.

    So I'd rather have my child go to a school where they can have that as an option...because at the end of the day, if they just go to Harvard they will still be playing by (()) rules.

    Even in my own college education, I met two white males who met at college and went on to form a company together. It was very inspiring.

    , @bomag
    @John Regan


    ...even less of a moderating influence on the trainwreck their country is rapidly becoming.
     
    Is there an upside to the Asian surge into colleges? Are we getting better science, etc.?

    There seems to be plenty of decline going around: auto quality seemed to peak in the mid-aughts; along with Asians, the academy has been taken over by women and Blacks, with less confidence in such credentials; dams failing in California; etc.
  28. Where did this whole hard-working Asian – especially Chinese – intelligence threat come from? Boy, this one is just coming at us out of the blue…

    Of course there was a large Chinese population… –it is the case with every town and city on the Pacific coast. They are a harmless race when white men either let them alone or treat them no worse than dogs; in fact they are almost entirely harmless anyhow, for they seldom think of resenting the vilest insults or the cruelest injuries. They are quiet, peaceable, tractable, free from drunkenness, and they are as industrious as the day is long. A disorderly Chinaman is rare, and a lazy one does not exist. So long as a Chinaman has strength to use his hands he needs no support from anybody; white men often complain of want of work, but a Chinaman offers no such complaint; he always manages to find something to do…

    There are seventy thousand (and possibly one hundred thousand) Chinamen on the Pacific coast. There were about a thousand in Virginia [California]. They were penned into a “Chinese quarter”–a thing which they do not particularly object to, as they are fond of herding together… Chinamen make good house servants, being quick, obedient, patient, quick to learn and tirelessly industrious. They do not need to be taught a thing twice, as a general thing. They are imitative. If a Chinaman were to see his master break up a centre table, in a passion, and kindle a fire with it, that Chinaman would be likely to resort to the furniture for fuel forever afterward.

    All Chinamen can read, write and cipher with easy facility–pity but all our petted voters could. In California they rent little patches of ground and do a deal of gardening. They will raise surprising crops of vegetables on a sand pile. They waste nothing. What is rubbish to a Christian, a Chinaman carefully preserves and makes useful in one way or another. He gathers up all the old oyster and sardine cans that white people throw away, and procures marketable tin and solder from them by melting…

    They are a kindly disposed, well-meaning race, and are respected and well treated by the upper classes, all over the Pacific coast. No Californian gentleman or lady ever abuses or oppresses a Chinaman, under any circumstances, an explanation that seems to be much needed in the East. Only the scum of the population do it–they and their children; they, and, naturally and consistently, the policemen and politicians, likewise, for these are the dust-licking pimps and slaves of the scum, there as well as elsewhere in America.

    Roughing It, Mark Twain, published 1872.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Thanks: Blinky Bill, TWS
    • Replies: @A British Indian
    @Anon7

    See also Sir Francis Galton’s ‘Africa for the Chinese’, in which he writes that the Chinese “are good-tempered, frugal, industrious, saving, commercially inclined, and extraordinarily prolific.”

    What amazes me is that Galton is labelled a racist, despite usually being careful to note that he was talking about average levels of ability. He was, in fact, pretty liberal for his time:


    the best form of civilization… would be one in which society was not costly; where incomes were chiefly derived from professional sources, and not much through inheritance; where every lad had a chance of showing his abilities, and, if highly gifted, was enabled to achieve a first-class education and entrance into professional life… where the weak could find a welcome and a refuge in celibate monasteries or sisterhoods, and lastly, where the better sort of emigrants and refugees from other lands were invited and welcomed, and their descendants naturalised.
     
    In the same passage, he calls racism a “nonsensical sentiment”.
    , @Dan Hayes
    @Anon7

    Twain showed much, much less empathy for Native Americans (or whatever they're called these days)!

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    , @Jack D
    @Anon7

    Twain today would be a raging liberal. He loved all minorities (except for Native Americans) - blacks, Jews, Chinese, etc. So his descriptions are not balanced - he is giving only the PRO side.

    , @Muggles
    @Anon7

    I don't know about Jews. He wasn't rabidly anti Semitic like some here, but his depictions of Jews in the area of Palestine (then) in Innocents Abroad especially in Jerusalem are quite harsh.

    Of course nearly all foreigners were not described very positively by Twain and there were only a few Jews in Jerusalem at that time. His account of Rome at the time is very appalling.

    As for blacks, he was probably less racist than most of his era, and was a vocal and visible opponent of King Leopold of Belgium's "Free Congo" personally owned country.

    American Indians were still killing many white miners and pioneers during his time in the West. That will take the shine off of your political correctness in a hurry. He also greatly ridiculed Mormons in Utah, who were all 100% white. The Mountain Meadows wagon train massacre ordered by Joseph Smith (so it is said, though denied by Mormons) also played a part in Twain's evaluation of them.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Prester John, @Jack D

    , @Anon
    @Anon7

    The Bay Area economy provides a 100-year natural experiment in the cultural strengths and weaknesses of the Chinese. I've personally witnessed a few decades of this.

    Silicon Valley is ideally suited to Chinese high mathematical intelligence and low extraversion. For a variety of reasons, the local Chinese have a giant leg up over Upper Caste Indian immigrants and Americans from the hinterlands. You cannot create a more ideal environment for the Chinese to thrive in business. Yet, they have a muted overall impact in tech. I'm guessing the ratio of Brahmins to Chinese is 20x per capita in executives, and 50x per capita in startup founders.

    On a more personal level, the most talented ethnic Chinese I have worked with are either from Taiwan or disproportionately members of the CCP. For the latter group, it is not by chance they are in the US. The CCP holistically prescreens candidates. Further, the willingness to travel to the US is another filter on overall industriousness. Chinese tech giants -- which for the most part are state-sponsored US clones bolstered by a huge domestic market -- are the end product of the CCP revolving door in US tech.

    The Chinese who do particularly well in tech typically stick to mathematical R&D-type roles, often in machine learning or deep learning, and often an extension of a PhD.

    Of the well-rounded, Americanized Chinese I know personally, there is still an obvious IQ differential compared to Whites. Nonetheless, they seem to gravitate towards respectable well-paying professions, but never entrepreneurship. If they do, it will be a dental or medical practice.

    Suspect that in order for the Chinese to operate at the same level of Whites -- even lower IQ Whites -- they will need to be motivated by a greater communal cause, hence "The Chinese Century" rhetoric by the CCP. Without it, most Chinese simply revert to their natural instincts, which is to lead a good comfortable family-oriented life, but one that does not push societal boundaries in any meaningful way.

    It is worth comparing histories of Caucasians vs Chinese. The Caucasians conquered and explored their way out the The Caucasus several thousand years ago. During this time, the Chinese stayed put. This probably speaks to pre-existing genetic differences -- and thousands of years of subsequent genetic pressures -- that are bigger than any one standardized test.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  29. @Achmed E. Newman
    Steve, I think the cheating could be a factor with the Chinese crowd, but I don't see how you do it without hard-core corruption. Is the memorizing of questions and taking of mass brain dumps to some WeChat account in Mandarin to be used later cheating? I just mean there are "legal" ways to do this that, when combined with all those hours of prep make a combination tough to match by someone just as smart who comes in cold to the SATs.

    I got almost 200 points better on the SAT than I did on the PSAT a year earlier. I didn't get that much smarter in that time. However, I did have a test prep book, and I probably spent about 20 hours on it. The key was learning a good strategy for taking these kinds of tests*. It was all about the clock, knocking out the easy ones, marking the ones that were someone questionable, and leaving the time-consuming ones for last.

    I got very good at taking tests, and that's my other point. Due to the practice time, these .Indians and Chinese get in, they have already developed good testing strategies before college. Now, others might learn after a few screw-ups, but this test-taking ability probably translates into somewhat more success in college. That's not to say it really means anything in terms of intelligence, of course.

    PS: Thank you for that Joe Biden v Michael Scott page! I am ashamed to have missed even 2 of the questions. I watched The Office a LOT after getting the 1st 4 seasons from China from some girl who ripped and burned them there on the sidewalk. (Well, really it was the 1st season of the British show with Ricky Gervais, then the others of the American show, cause this girl had no idea of the difference - all round-eyed weirdos to her!)


    .


    * Until then, in high school, for vocabulary and history at least, it was more about just cramming stuff in my head during the time between periods. One history teacher was a coach who I doubt cared much about the stuff. It was memorize, memorize, memorize, then dump it onto the paper. Luckily that class was right after lunch, so on test day, I'd spend 1/2 hour cramming it in, then "give me my test quick!" I'd think, as the stuff was leaving my brain at a pretty good clip - a 5 minute delay might turn an A into a B!

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @El Dato, @JackOH

    It was memorize, memorize, memorize, then dump it onto the paper. Luckily that class was right after lunch, so on test day, I’d spend 1/2 hour cramming it in, then “give me my test quick!” I’d think, as the stuff was leaving my brain at a pretty good clip – a 5 minute delay might turn an A into a B!

    Economics was pure Keynesian claptrap from a book written by retards using incoherent graphs with differing styles pulled out of donkeys’ asses that I had to memorize. That was not fun.

    Luckily I re-read the correct paragraph just before the test. Big win.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @El Dato

    We didn't have econ in high school, Mr. Dato. I gotta say, from 2 semesters in college (for a couple of easy classes to help out the workload), the 1st semester was pretty good stuff. The supply&demand stuff, price elasticity, Laffer curve even (anyone? anyone? Bueller??) is pretty solid. I like the simplicity in it.

    Once you get into that macro(?) econ, with government involvement and that Keynesian stuff, yeah, it's mostly a load of crap, or, at the least, just "your opinion, man".

    Replies: @Paul Mendez

  30. @Peter Johnson
    It is quite unclear how this new important reality will impact selection criteria across academia and elsewhere:

    a substantial and fast-growing "minority" group which outperforms the white "majority."

    Here the word "minority" is used in its original meaning rather than the new common meaning of "under-performing group."

    Will minority Asian outperformance increase or decrease the degree of affirmative action bias? It hurts Asians most of all -- substantially worse impact that on whites since there are still more high-performing Asian children in low-income households. The academic performance gap between blacks and Asians is extreme!

    Replies: @martin_2, @anonymous

    ” there are still more high-performing Asian children in low-income households. ”

    This is what I have noticed having been in education almost all my working life. There is tremendous depth in the Oriental squad. Children whose parents are “Take Away People” that can’t even speak good English are innately better at maths than are the children of educated middle class liberal whites.

    I enjoy rubbing this in to said people.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @martin_2

    In a better world, this contradiction alone would blow up Affirmative Action. If the children of low income Asians with poor to no Engrish literacy and who are discriminated against by whites are doing extremely well in school and the children of low income Latinos and blacks with poor to no Ingles literacy and who are discriminated against by whites are doing poorly in school, then the explanation must lie outside of parental income or literacy or white racism. Maybe the explanation lies in places where liberals dare not go such as genetics or a child's need to grow up in an intact two parent family where achievement is encouraged and nurtured by the family itself and not by (government) paid minders.

    But in the world we actually live in, colleges will just maintain double standards and set the bar for blacks and Latinos vastly lower than for Asians. If this is illegal, they will make it legal, by hook or by crook because woke society would never tolerate elite universities with color blind admissions that mirror the enrollment of, for example, Stuyvesant High in NYC (72.43% Asian, 21.44% Caucasian, 1.03% African American, 2.34% Hispanic). They are not going to tolerate Stuyvesant itself for too much longer either. By the way, further to your point, 53% of the Asian kids at Stuyvesant come from low income households.

    And also by the way, these kids are not just good at math - they excel academically on all fronts. They are slightly stronger in math, but if your score is 800M, 750V, 750 is still an extremely good showing that most whites, let alone blacks, could never dream of.

    Despite the lawsuits, I think Asians themselves realize that a 72% Asian Harvard would be overreaching and that not only blacks but also whites would not tolerate that either. But on an individual level, almost every Asian kid wants to get a 1600 and that is not going to change so colleges will have to find some way to continue to discriminate against Asians more and more as they pull away from all other groups.

  31. @Achmed E. Newman
    Steve, I think the cheating could be a factor with the Chinese crowd, but I don't see how you do it without hard-core corruption. Is the memorizing of questions and taking of mass brain dumps to some WeChat account in Mandarin to be used later cheating? I just mean there are "legal" ways to do this that, when combined with all those hours of prep make a combination tough to match by someone just as smart who comes in cold to the SATs.

    I got almost 200 points better on the SAT than I did on the PSAT a year earlier. I didn't get that much smarter in that time. However, I did have a test prep book, and I probably spent about 20 hours on it. The key was learning a good strategy for taking these kinds of tests*. It was all about the clock, knocking out the easy ones, marking the ones that were someone questionable, and leaving the time-consuming ones for last.

    I got very good at taking tests, and that's my other point. Due to the practice time, these .Indians and Chinese get in, they have already developed good testing strategies before college. Now, others might learn after a few screw-ups, but this test-taking ability probably translates into somewhat more success in college. That's not to say it really means anything in terms of intelligence, of course.

    PS: Thank you for that Joe Biden v Michael Scott page! I am ashamed to have missed even 2 of the questions. I watched The Office a LOT after getting the 1st 4 seasons from China from some girl who ripped and burned them there on the sidewalk. (Well, really it was the 1st season of the British show with Ricky Gervais, then the others of the American show, cause this girl had no idea of the difference - all round-eyed weirdos to her!)


    .


    * Until then, in high school, for vocabulary and history at least, it was more about just cramming stuff in my head during the time between periods. One history teacher was a coach who I doubt cared much about the stuff. It was memorize, memorize, memorize, then dump it onto the paper. Luckily that class was right after lunch, so on test day, I'd spend 1/2 hour cramming it in, then "give me my test quick!" I'd think, as the stuff was leaving my brain at a pretty good clip - a 5 minute delay might turn an A into a B!

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @El Dato, @JackOH

    I got almost 200 points better on the SAT than I did on the PSAT a year earlier. I didn’t get that much smarter in that time.

    Achmed, true dat. I did well on the PSAT, markedly better on the ACT and SAT a year later, and even better on the LSAT and GMAT some years after that. I don’t have a great explanatory theory. I’ll guess I “leaned” toward test-taking after the PSAT because I was pretty good at it, probably read some articles on strategies, that sort of thing. I don’t have any recollection of feeling I’d been dumber when taking the PSAT and then got rockingly smarter taking the LSAT and GMAT.

    • Replies: @jon
    @JackOH


    I did well on the PSAT, markedly better on the ACT and SAT a year later, and even better on the LSAT and GMAT some years after that.
     
    According to the IQ-Standardized Test conversion charts, I improved my IQ by a full standard deviation at each level. The more likely explanation, of course, is that I was signed up for the PSAT without even knowing what or when it was (just showed up one day and didn't have to go to regular classes, yay!), realized that the SAT was important, but was in high school at a time and place where I didn't have access to any test prep, and then bought a huge book of tests and spent a solid month cranking them out for the LSAT.
  32. @Nick Diaz
    This is one of the stupidest articles Sailer has written, and that is saying something since Sailer writes nothing but stupidity.

    When we talk about White Supremacy, we are talking about institutionalized racism that favors white people over other races, giving them unfair opportunities. Asians, conversely, achieved their dominance in academia through hard work.

    There is a fundamental difference between supremacy achieved via unearned privilege, and supremacy achieved through diligence and discipline. Apples and oranges. It is a key distinction that eludes Sailer.

    Sailer is, again, wrong. Quite a habit that he has at being consistently wrong about everything.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @AndrewR, @Hapalong Cassidy, @fish, @El Dato, @James N. Kennett, @Anonymous Jew, @hhsiii

    When Asians and Jews overachieve, it is the result of hard work, diligence, and discipline.

    These virtues are practically unknown amongst white people. So when whites overachieve, the only possible explanation is White Supremacy, institutionalized racism, unfair opportunities, and unearned privilege.

    This harmful and contemptible belief is unfortunately very common amongst mainstream journalists and politicians. To challenge it is to risk ending your career. It is no longer good enough to ignore uncomfortable and intractable racial issues, or to utter platitudes: to stay in the game one must profess ideas that are actually damaging. Damaging to everybody, including black Americans.

  33. None of this will affect the anti-White agenda. Why? Because ultimately, it isn’t driven by Mean Ol’ Jews or any outside group. It’s driven by our own race-traitors.

    People who imagine themselves cosmopolitan or progressive or enlightened. They are proud of their devotion to high principles, not crude tribalism.

    Maybe as Asians and Indians take the top spots, our Really Smart Ivy League “WASPs” (bad name) will have enough time to finish off the rest of the White race.

  34. The white male, white female gap is the most concerning.

    I guess all my classmates putting up ‘How to Raise a Feminist Son’ on their facebook page are doing just that…successfully.

    On the flip side, the white males that survive such a mental beating…will be very angry.

  35. @El Dato
    @Achmed E. Newman


    It was memorize, memorize, memorize, then dump it onto the paper. Luckily that class was right after lunch, so on test day, I’d spend 1/2 hour cramming it in, then “give me my test quick!” I’d think, as the stuff was leaving my brain at a pretty good clip – a 5 minute delay might turn an A into a B!

     

    Economics was pure Keynesian claptrap from a book written by retards using incoherent graphs with differing styles pulled out of donkeys' asses that I had to memorize. That was not fun.

    Luckily I re-read the correct paragraph just before the test. Big win.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    We didn’t have econ in high school, Mr. Dato. I gotta say, from 2 semesters in college (for a couple of easy classes to help out the workload), the 1st semester was pretty good stuff. The supply&demand stuff, price elasticity, Laffer curve even (anyone? anyone? Bueller??) is pretty solid. I like the simplicity in it.

    Once you get into that macro(?) econ, with government involvement and that Keynesian stuff, yeah, it’s mostly a load of crap, or, at the least, just “your opinion, man”.

    • Replies: @Paul Mendez
    @Achmed E. Newman

    A high school friend told me that he signed up for an Econ class freshman year of college but dropped it after a week.

    “It didn’t make any sense! There’s an infinite supply of sex, and an infinite demand for sex. So how come nobody I know ever gets laid?”

  36. @Anon7
    Where did this whole hard-working Asian - especially Chinese - intelligence threat come from? Boy, this one is just coming at us out of the blue...

    Of course there was a large Chinese population... --it is the case with every town and city on the Pacific coast. They are a harmless race when white men either let them alone or treat them no worse than dogs; in fact they are almost entirely harmless anyhow, for they seldom think of resenting the vilest insults or the cruelest injuries. They are quiet, peaceable, tractable, free from drunkenness, and they are as industrious as the day is long. A disorderly Chinaman is rare, and a lazy one does not exist. So long as a Chinaman has strength to use his hands he needs no support from anybody; white men often complain of want of work, but a Chinaman offers no such complaint; he always manages to find something to do...

    There are seventy thousand (and possibly one hundred thousand) Chinamen on the Pacific coast. There were about a thousand in Virginia [California]. They were penned into a "Chinese quarter"--a thing which they do not particularly object to, as they are fond of herding together... Chinamen make good house servants, being quick, obedient, patient, quick to learn and tirelessly industrious. They do not need to be taught a thing twice, as a general thing. They are imitative. If a Chinaman were to see his master break up a centre table, in a passion, and kindle a fire with it, that Chinaman would be likely to resort to the furniture for fuel forever afterward.

    All Chinamen can read, write and cipher with easy facility--pity but all our petted voters could. In California they rent little patches of ground and do a deal of gardening. They will raise surprising crops of vegetables on a sand pile. They waste nothing. What is rubbish to a Christian, a Chinaman carefully preserves and makes useful in one way or another. He gathers up all the old oyster and sardine cans that white people throw away, and procures marketable tin and solder from them by melting...

    They are a kindly disposed, well-meaning race, and are respected and well treated by the upper classes, all over the Pacific coast. No Californian gentleman or lady ever abuses or oppresses a Chinaman, under any circumstances, an explanation that seems to be much needed in the East. Only the scum of the population do it--they and their children; they, and, naturally and consistently, the policemen and politicians, likewise, for these are the dust-licking pimps and slaves of the scum, there as well as elsewhere in America.

    Roughing It, Mark Twain, published 1872.
     

    Replies: @A British Indian, @Dan Hayes, @Jack D, @Muggles, @Anon

    See also Sir Francis Galton’s ‘Africa for the Chinese’, in which he writes that the Chinese “are good-tempered, frugal, industrious, saving, commercially inclined, and extraordinarily prolific.”

    What amazes me is that Galton is labelled a racist, despite usually being careful to note that he was talking about average levels of ability. He was, in fact, pretty liberal for his time:

    the best form of civilization… would be one in which society was not costly; where incomes were chiefly derived from professional sources, and not much through inheritance; where every lad had a chance of showing his abilities, and, if highly gifted, was enabled to achieve a first-class education and entrance into professional life… where the weak could find a welcome and a refuge in celibate monasteries or sisterhoods, and lastly, where the better sort of emigrants and refugees from other lands were invited and welcomed, and their descendants naturalised.

    In the same passage, he calls racism a “nonsensical sentiment”.

  37. @Steve Sailer
    @A British Indian

    Is Amar Bose, the half-Indian-American founder of the Bose Corporation, related to the famous Indian Boses? I have two giant Bose speakers I bought in 1983 sitting in my driveway that I need to figure out how to throw away. Maybe one at a time would fit in a garbage can...

    Replies: @A British Indian, @The Alarmist, @peterike, @Gordo, @kikz, @YetAnotherAnon, @North Carolina Resident, @JimB

    I have two giant Bose speakers I bought in 1983 sitting in my driveway that I need to figure out how to throw away.

    Do they work? You could try giving them away via your local Freecycle (I assume there will be one). Maybe some Mexican will take them and prop them up in the back seat of his Nissan so you can hear him coming from five miles away.

    Even if they don’t work, some audiophile nerd might want to see if they are scroungable for parts. Though I suspect there are way fewer audiophile nerds now than there were back in 1983.

  38. @John Regan
    @Thoughts

    You may well be right at least in part, but this is in itself a problem if so. Because what passes for the country's elite is recruited from the Ivy Leagues. Whether the education is better or not, the networking is the important bit.

    Heritage Americans opting out of that means that they get to have even less of a moderating influence on the trainwreck their country is rapidly becoming.

    Replies: @Thoughts, @bomag

    You are right.

    People always wonder why if India has so many high IQ people, they can’t create this epic society.

    I think white males are the best at working with other white males. There’s something magical that happens when white males, all with different strengths, but all with cooperative personalities, get together.

    It’s one of the ingredients to the secret sauce of white success.

    So I’d rather have my child go to a school where they can have that as an option…because at the end of the day, if they just go to Harvard they will still be playing by (()) rules.

    Even in my own college education, I met two white males who met at college and went on to form a company together. It was very inspiring.

  39. @Anon7
    Where did this whole hard-working Asian - especially Chinese - intelligence threat come from? Boy, this one is just coming at us out of the blue...

    Of course there was a large Chinese population... --it is the case with every town and city on the Pacific coast. They are a harmless race when white men either let them alone or treat them no worse than dogs; in fact they are almost entirely harmless anyhow, for they seldom think of resenting the vilest insults or the cruelest injuries. They are quiet, peaceable, tractable, free from drunkenness, and they are as industrious as the day is long. A disorderly Chinaman is rare, and a lazy one does not exist. So long as a Chinaman has strength to use his hands he needs no support from anybody; white men often complain of want of work, but a Chinaman offers no such complaint; he always manages to find something to do...

    There are seventy thousand (and possibly one hundred thousand) Chinamen on the Pacific coast. There were about a thousand in Virginia [California]. They were penned into a "Chinese quarter"--a thing which they do not particularly object to, as they are fond of herding together... Chinamen make good house servants, being quick, obedient, patient, quick to learn and tirelessly industrious. They do not need to be taught a thing twice, as a general thing. They are imitative. If a Chinaman were to see his master break up a centre table, in a passion, and kindle a fire with it, that Chinaman would be likely to resort to the furniture for fuel forever afterward.

    All Chinamen can read, write and cipher with easy facility--pity but all our petted voters could. In California they rent little patches of ground and do a deal of gardening. They will raise surprising crops of vegetables on a sand pile. They waste nothing. What is rubbish to a Christian, a Chinaman carefully preserves and makes useful in one way or another. He gathers up all the old oyster and sardine cans that white people throw away, and procures marketable tin and solder from them by melting...

    They are a kindly disposed, well-meaning race, and are respected and well treated by the upper classes, all over the Pacific coast. No Californian gentleman or lady ever abuses or oppresses a Chinaman, under any circumstances, an explanation that seems to be much needed in the East. Only the scum of the population do it--they and their children; they, and, naturally and consistently, the policemen and politicians, likewise, for these are the dust-licking pimps and slaves of the scum, there as well as elsewhere in America.

    Roughing It, Mark Twain, published 1872.
     

    Replies: @A British Indian, @Dan Hayes, @Jack D, @Muggles, @Anon

    Twain showed much, much less empathy for Native Americans (or whatever they’re called these days)!

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Dan Hayes


    Twain showed much, much less empathy for Native Americans
     
    And mormons as well
  40. Anon[102] • Disclaimer says:

    It was all about the clock, knocking out the easy ones, marking the ones that were someone questionable, and leaving the time-consuming ones for last.

    … and guessing if you could eliminate at least one answer … I did that, but I didn’t need test prep books to figure out those tactics. I think test prep benefits come more from giving exposure to patterns of specific kinds of math questions, as well as vocabulary cramming.

    I think the SAT could benefit from having more types of questions, less gameable, all over the map, wild variation, and designed with a much higher ceiling. Nobody should ever get anywhere close to a perfect score.

    Also, there should be no time limit. The test should just get so hard that time is not the limiting factor. You’d hit five questions in a row that mean nothing to you, and that would be the “time to go home” tap on the shoulder. This would end-run the fake disability cheaters.

  41. Actually a pretty good essay.

    I thought it would be the usual HBD Asians are innately smarter (even though this is an essay about changing scores) essay, but Sailer actually manages to touch on all the right points.

    1) Decline in white motivation (good to finally see motivation being listed as a major factor in IQ-style tests)

    2) Massive amounts of Asian test prep (good to see a move away from “pure talent” and a recognition that effort matters)

    3) Asian cheating.

    4) A call to examine the test industry. Surely needed.

    When Asian scores are rising dramatically, but there has been no comparable rise in Asian performance in the real world, we ought to question our tests.

    Its the same thing with IQ.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @AaronB

    I take it your test scores are disappointing.

  42. As usual, no mention of the fact that the demographic composition of “Asian” in America has changed substantially over time – hint: fewer children of lower middle class East Asians and more children of highly educated South Asians.

    Since 1980, the number of Indians in America has increased 15 fold from 360,000 to 5,400,000 today. They now account for 20-25% of all Asians in America. And astoundingly, over 70% have college degrees and over 40% have graduate degrees, even outpacing all other Asian groups greatly.

    Any analysis that leaves out this transformation is missing a big chunk of the story on “Asian supremacy” in America.

    I might also add that, contrary to earlier predictions of Mr. Sailer, Indians display the lowest assimilation index among major Asian immigrant groups in America and they lean Democratic more than any other major Asian group (the most GOP-leaning are Filipinos and Koreans, the latter of which has declined in number in the U.S.).

    • Replies: @A British Indian
    @Twinkie

    Do you have a source for that assimilation index?

    In Britain, Indians residentially integrate better than the Black African, Black Caribbean, Pakistani and Bangladeshi groups. Their Index of Dissimilarity score is similar to that of Whites.

    What’s interesting is that British Chinese individuals and families are very geographically dispersed, meaning that their Dissimilarity Score is far lower than all the other ethnic groups.

    http://www.integrationhub.net/module/do-we-live-together-or-apart-residential-patterns/

    Also, British Indians are far more likely to vote for the centre-right Conservative Party than other ethnic minority groups: 40% voted Tory in the 2017 general election, and they were only 10 points behind Labour among British Indians in a poll taken in November 2019.

    By contrast, apart from Black Africans (around 15% of whom voted Conservative in 2017), less than 10% of other ethnic minority groups vote Conservative, though we don’t have any detailed analysis of British Chinese voting patterns.

    When it comes to relationships, 43% of Afro-Caribbean and 31% of Chinese people are in inter-ethnic relationships, compared with 22% of Black Africans, 12% of Indians, 9% of Pakistanis, 7% of Bangladeshis and 4% of Whites.

    http://www.integrationhub.net/module/society-integration-and-everyday-life/

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Anonymous Jew
    @Twinkie

    I was struck by the similarities between Indians and (what I’ve read of) early Jewish immigrants from my experience working and socializing with Indians in the Bay Area: insular, clannish, high achieving and very very left (whatever qualifies as left by the standards of the day - my grandparents were socialist and openly racist!). Like Jews, some end up drinking a little too much of their own Kool-Aid; one of our Indian, Tesla driving PhD friends married a White guy and now, in her mid-40s, will not be having any children. I don’t recall meeting a single Indian conservative in my years there, though I did meet White and Chinese conservatives.

    *I say early Jews because modern Jews are marrying out and dumbing down. Trust me, our Jew gold is dwindling.

    , @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    Mark my words:

    Their numbers will multiply 15 fold in the next 40 years, and for the 40 years after at that. And it wouldn't surprise me if that geometric ratio persists indefinitely.

    Mark my words.

    Remember you read it here, October 7 2020.

    There's no other fact that I'm so *certain* of - not one scintilla of a shadow of a ghost of a doubt - or any other fact of such import to Americans.

    Fat lot of good it will do me too. I'll probably be put on 'delay' anyway, and the comment will be ignored.

  43. @The Alarmist
    @Steve Sailer

    Look in your county’s waste management web pages ... many counties will tell you where to take these things or how to arrange for a pick-up.

    Replies: @Anon

    No one will take Bose speakers.
    You have to find a dumpster.

    I’m a regular contributor here and I had to go anon for this post. That’s how intense the shame is.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Anon

    it's called Fly-tipping and it is illegal, particularly with toxic waste.

    Replies: @Jack D

  44. @HammerJack
    For the Asians really to prevail in modern-day America, they need to take a leaf from the Jews' playbook and start developing ways to hide their inevitable exercise of wealth and power.

    The Diversity Obsession installed and enforced by the Jews will give them a leg up, since they won't need to "pass" as white. They won't want to! It's no longer in style, you might say.

    It's also an open question whether or not they have the socio-political chops required for a position of supremacy in a "diverse" society. The Jews have been honing those skills for many centuries. Asians are more heirarchical, to put it politely.

    Replies: @bomag, @Happy Tapir, @Buffalo Joe, @Rahan

    It’s also an open question whether or not they have the socio-political chops required for a position of supremacy in a “diverse” society.

    They are doing quite well as staff, as opposed to line authority. Why step out in front of the guns?

  45. Lemme nerdsplain something to you peeps:

    Has the relationship of Chinese prowess on examinations to the Chinese imperial examination tradition ever been examined? Of course Chinese government positions were awarded to persons who did well on a massive examination dating back to the Tang Dynasty circa 800 AD. In Darwinian middle age and early modern conditions, families enjoying mandarin status would see a greater proportion of children survive to adulthood and hence would have left a substantial genetic footprint, spreading their exam licking genes throughout the population. This is similar to the theory for English iq selection presented in the book Farewell to Alms.

  46. @Anon7
    Where did this whole hard-working Asian - especially Chinese - intelligence threat come from? Boy, this one is just coming at us out of the blue...

    Of course there was a large Chinese population... --it is the case with every town and city on the Pacific coast. They are a harmless race when white men either let them alone or treat them no worse than dogs; in fact they are almost entirely harmless anyhow, for they seldom think of resenting the vilest insults or the cruelest injuries. They are quiet, peaceable, tractable, free from drunkenness, and they are as industrious as the day is long. A disorderly Chinaman is rare, and a lazy one does not exist. So long as a Chinaman has strength to use his hands he needs no support from anybody; white men often complain of want of work, but a Chinaman offers no such complaint; he always manages to find something to do...

    There are seventy thousand (and possibly one hundred thousand) Chinamen on the Pacific coast. There were about a thousand in Virginia [California]. They were penned into a "Chinese quarter"--a thing which they do not particularly object to, as they are fond of herding together... Chinamen make good house servants, being quick, obedient, patient, quick to learn and tirelessly industrious. They do not need to be taught a thing twice, as a general thing. They are imitative. If a Chinaman were to see his master break up a centre table, in a passion, and kindle a fire with it, that Chinaman would be likely to resort to the furniture for fuel forever afterward.

    All Chinamen can read, write and cipher with easy facility--pity but all our petted voters could. In California they rent little patches of ground and do a deal of gardening. They will raise surprising crops of vegetables on a sand pile. They waste nothing. What is rubbish to a Christian, a Chinaman carefully preserves and makes useful in one way or another. He gathers up all the old oyster and sardine cans that white people throw away, and procures marketable tin and solder from them by melting...

    They are a kindly disposed, well-meaning race, and are respected and well treated by the upper classes, all over the Pacific coast. No Californian gentleman or lady ever abuses or oppresses a Chinaman, under any circumstances, an explanation that seems to be much needed in the East. Only the scum of the population do it--they and their children; they, and, naturally and consistently, the policemen and politicians, likewise, for these are the dust-licking pimps and slaves of the scum, there as well as elsewhere in America.

    Roughing It, Mark Twain, published 1872.
     

    Replies: @A British Indian, @Dan Hayes, @Jack D, @Muggles, @Anon

    Twain today would be a raging liberal. He loved all minorities (except for Native Americans) – blacks, Jews, Chinese, etc. So his descriptions are not balanced – he is giving only the PRO side.

  47. @The Alarmist

    What about legalized marijuana?

     

    The Soma of our day.

    BTW, check out the new face of Mustapha Mond in 2020’s remake of Brave New World.

    https://d1qxviojg2h5lt.cloudfront.net/images/01ECT80HDFHZJY3XKJYJV71MNB/BNW-Nina-Sosanya.jpg

    Replies: @kikz, @Flemur

    uuuugh, seen entirely too much of that mug in Brit tv…. she excels as smug/chip on shoulder…

  48. @Thoughts
    Maybe more Whites are subscribing to the Good Enough Theory that I did when I took the test

    I did not study and took it once...score was good enough to get into the College I wanted to go to....I chose the College because it was still majority White. Moved on with life.

    Smart Whites are probably wanting to go to White majority schools... so why even Worry about asians and the sat...get a score that Will get you in to North Dakota U and move on

    Being around other Whites is far more beneficial than sat prep

    A breakdown of where non jewish Whites are going to College would be very illuminating...maybe we are seeing a White takeover of out of the Way institutions

    Replies: @John Regan, @Gordo, @Mike1

    Being around other Whites is far more beneficial than sat prep

    Yep

  49. “He loved all minorities…”

    On the morning of the sixteenth day out from St. Joseph we arrived at the entrance of Rocky Canyon, two hundred and fifty miles from Salt Lake. It was along in this wild country somewhere, and far from any habitation of white men, except the stage stations, that we came across the wretchedest type of mankind I have ever seen, up to this writing. I refer to the Goshoot Indians.

    From what we could see and all we could learn, they are very considerably inferior to even the despised Digger Indians of California; inferior to all races of savages on our continent; inferior to even the Terra del Fuegans; inferior to the Hottentots, and actually inferior in some respects to the Kytches of Africa. Indeed, I have been obliged to look the bulky volumes of Wood’s “Uncivilized Races of Men” clear through in order to find a savage tribe degraded enough to take rank with the Goshoots. I find but one people fairly open to that shameful verdict. It is the Bosjesmans (Bushmen) of South Africa.

    Such of the Goshoots as we saw, along the road and hanging about the stations, were small, lean, “scrawny” creatures; in complexion a dull black like the ordinary American negro; their faces and hands bearing dirt which they had been hoarding and accumulating for months, years, and even generations, according to the age of the proprietor; a silent, sneaking, treacherous looking race; taking note of everything, covertly, like all the other “Noble Red Men” that we (do not) read about, and betraying no sign in their countenances; indolent, everlastingly patient and tireless, like all other Indians; prideless beggars–for if the beggar instinct were left out of an Indian he would not “go,” any more than a clock without a pendulum; hungry, always hungry, and yet never refusing anything that a hog would eat, though often eating what a hog would decline; hunters, but having no higher ambition than to kill and eat jack-ass rabbits, crickets and grasshoppers, and embezzle carrion from the buzzards and cayotes; savages who, when asked if they have the common Indian belief in a Great Spirit show a something which almost amounts to emotion, thinking whiskey is referred to; a thin, scattering race of almost naked black children, these Goshoots are, who produce nothing at all, and have no villages, and no gatherings together into strictly defined tribal communities–a people whose only shelter is a rag cast on a bush to keep off a portion of the snow, and yet who inhabit one of the most rocky, wintry, repulsive wastes that our country or any other can exhibit.

    The Bushmen and our Goshoots are manifestly descended from the self-same gorilla, or kangaroo, or Norway rat, which-ever animal–Adam the Darwinians trace them to.

    Roughing It, Mark Twain, 1872

  50. @HammerJack
    For the Asians really to prevail in modern-day America, they need to take a leaf from the Jews' playbook and start developing ways to hide their inevitable exercise of wealth and power.

    The Diversity Obsession installed and enforced by the Jews will give them a leg up, since they won't need to "pass" as white. They won't want to! It's no longer in style, you might say.

    It's also an open question whether or not they have the socio-political chops required for a position of supremacy in a "diverse" society. The Jews have been honing those skills for many centuries. Asians are more heirarchical, to put it politely.

    Replies: @bomag, @Happy Tapir, @Buffalo Joe, @Rahan

    Chinese don’t seem interested in changing the culture of or controlling the places they emigrate to. For instance, most of the economy of the Philippines and Indonesia is controlled by ethnic Chinese, but one would never infer this from outward signs. See World on Fire by Amy chua for a good summary of their economic dominance. Chinese want to toil in private and be left alone. They seem unconcerned with messianic causes like the Middle East.

    I went to a sixty dollar buffet in Vegas a few years ago and I was struck by how overwhelmingly Chinese the clientele was. West coast Chinese must already be impressively loaded.

    • Replies: @Monsieur le Baron
    @Happy Tapir

    Tweeted this at Steve, but the median Chinese wealth is now 5x the median white's. How about that white privilege?

    , @anon
    @Happy Tapir


    I went to a sixty dollar buffet in Vegas a few years ago and I was struck by how overwhelmingly Chinese the clientele was. West coast Chinese must already be impressively loaded.
     
    Eating out seems to be a favorite past time of Asians. They have that in common with the Jews. Gluttony is only a sin for white Protestants. Judging by the number of Asian restaurants popping up all over the West Coast and Northeast, and their overwhelming Asian clientele, I wonder what percentage of their income these people spend on eating out. Must be a very high percentage. Or are they really just that rich that they can afford to eat out all the time?

    Replies: @Kaz, @Veracitor

  51. @anon
    It's a good essay, a bit edgy of course due to the subject matter and Steve's unflinching intellectual honesty. I can think of two additions or adjustments: one, a less snarky tone. For example, rather than ending with " Good luck with that." I'd have said "We wish them luck."

    Also a mention about how importing African brains is draining African countries, where those brains are sorely needed. It's another sort of colonialism and every bit as devastating as the old kind we now disparage.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @bomag

    rather than ending with ” Good luck with that.” I’d have said “We wish them luck.”

    Perhaps, but the less polite formulation actually conveys more information, i.e., that this has already been tried many, many times and has a 100% failure rate for reasons that obvious to anyone but the willfully blind (i.e., the entire ruling class).

    Also a mention about how importing African brains is draining African countries, where those brains are sorely needed.

    Good point.

    It’s another sort of colonialism and every bit as devastating as the old kind we now disparage.

    The old kind of colonialism was a net benefit to Africa and a net cost to the colonialist countries. The new (brain drain) kind of colonialism is a net cost to everyone. The former is indeed disparaged (though for the wrong reasons), while the latter is praised (wrongly and therefore for wrong reasons).

  52. Blacks are the squeakiest wheel in American demography, and whites above all other groups are most receptive to their complaints. Partly I think this is from a sense of guilt and also from a sense that they can be humored because whites up until recently were so dominant from sheer numbers there was little cost to society to putting a foot on the scale here and there.

    That’s all going to change in the next 20-30 years however. A shrinking white population and rising Latino/Asian share means the percentage of the non-black population that is receptive to prioritizing black concerns is declining. I cannot decide whether the current BLM mania is a shrewd play to grab all the advantages possible in light of this inevitability by strategists on the left, or just an unfortunate confluence of events and opportunism.

    Either way, I anticipate that in the not too distant future there will be much more open discussion of the genetic and cultural factors that keep blacks at the bottom of the rankings as matter of fact Asians rise to more important and visible roles in society and Latinos who live in close proximity and share schools prove unwilling to provide the deference to political demands that blacks are accustomed to receiving from whites.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Arclight

    Hm... I have to correct myself. Seems that miscegenation of real whites with Asians is very high. I don't have a reason to question these figures, as of 2011.

    So:

    W- white
    M- male
    F-female
    I- Indian
    K-Korean
    C-Chinese
    P-Filipino
    J-Japanese
    V- Vietnamese

    http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml#sthash.7nGFITpw.dpbs
    .........................

    IM-WF: 25.6%
    IF-WM: 37.8%

    CM-WF: 26.5%
    CF-WM: 37.7%

    PM-WF: 31.8%
    PF-WM: 42.7%

    JM-WF: 25.1%
    JF-WM: 29.9%

    KM-WF: 34.6%
    KF-WM: 57.7%

    VM-WF: 21.9%
    VF-WM: 41.3%

    Replies: @jon

  53. @Steve Sailer
    @A British Indian

    Is Amar Bose, the half-Indian-American founder of the Bose Corporation, related to the famous Indian Boses? I have two giant Bose speakers I bought in 1983 sitting in my driveway that I need to figure out how to throw away. Maybe one at a time would fit in a garbage can...

    Replies: @A British Indian, @The Alarmist, @peterike, @Gordo, @kikz, @YetAnotherAnon, @North Carolina Resident, @JimB

    This is the Bose that springs to mind for me:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_National_Army#Subhas_Chandra_Bose

  54. But Asians are the great unmentionable

    Unless some white person is making China virus jokes, then Asians go back to being POC victims.

  55. Most HBD’ers pride themselves on their lack of racial loyalty (if they’re White). It’s all just an interesting intellectual puzzle, all these traits and genes.

    But it looks like Asians and Indians remain pretty much loyal to their own people even if in the US. So again, we’re saddled with people on our side who love being not on our side. I wish they would move to a non-White country and just leave America to the White “proles”.

  56. why is there no ‘breakdown’ among different Asians? the term Asian in the UK encompasses Indo/Paks…. does that ‘bucket term’ include them as well? it should, ‘cuz they’re here. there’s wide variance in IQ among ‘Asians’.

  57. @Twinkie
    As usual, no mention of the fact that the demographic composition of “Asian” in America has changed substantially over time - hint: fewer children of lower middle class East Asians and more children of highly educated South Asians.

    Since 1980, the number of Indians in America has increased 15 fold from 360,000 to 5,400,000 today. They now account for 20-25% of all Asians in America. And astoundingly, over 70% have college degrees and over 40% have graduate degrees, even outpacing all other Asian groups greatly.

    Any analysis that leaves out this transformation is missing a big chunk of the story on “Asian supremacy” in America.

    I might also add that, contrary to earlier predictions of Mr. Sailer, Indians display the lowest assimilation index among major Asian immigrant groups in America and they lean Democratic more than any other major Asian group (the most GOP-leaning are Filipinos and Koreans, the latter of which has declined in number in the U.S.).

    Replies: @A British Indian, @Anonymous Jew, @Anonymous

    Do you have a source for that assimilation index?

    In Britain, Indians residentially integrate better than the Black African, Black Caribbean, Pakistani and Bangladeshi groups. Their Index of Dissimilarity score is similar to that of Whites.

    What’s interesting is that British Chinese individuals and families are very geographically dispersed, meaning that their Dissimilarity Score is far lower than all the other ethnic groups.

    http://www.integrationhub.net/module/do-we-live-together-or-apart-residential-patterns/

    Also, British Indians are far more likely to vote for the centre-right Conservative Party than other ethnic minority groups: 40% voted Tory in the 2017 general election, and they were only 10 points behind Labour among British Indians in a poll taken in November 2019.

    By contrast, apart from Black Africans (around 15% of whom voted Conservative in 2017), less than 10% of other ethnic minority groups vote Conservative, though we don’t have any detailed analysis of British Chinese voting patterns.

    When it comes to relationships, 43% of Afro-Caribbean and 31% of Chinese people are in inter-ethnic relationships, compared with 22% of Black Africans, 12% of Indians, 9% of Pakistanis, 7% of Bangladeshis and 4% of Whites.

    http://www.integrationhub.net/module/society-integration-and-everyday-life/

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @A British Indian


    Do you have a source for that assimilation index?
     
    https://media4.manhattan-institute.org/pdf/cr_76.pdf

    https://siddiqueblogs.weebly.com/uploads/4/0/2/9/40298843/938237969.gif

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/hispasn.png

  58. OT, but there’s a new gaggle of MacArthur “Geniuses”.

    https://www.macfound.org/programs/fellows/

    Metric of excellence: distance from being a white male.

    They really make no attempt to hide it.

    • Replies: @jon
    @candid_observer

    Out of 21 recipients, one obviously white male (Nels Elder), one ambiguously white guy (Forrest Stuart-probably mixed race black based on his blurb), and a MENA white guy (Mohammad). Seems totally legit.

  59. @Steve Sailer
    @A British Indian

    Is Amar Bose, the half-Indian-American founder of the Bose Corporation, related to the famous Indian Boses? I have two giant Bose speakers I bought in 1983 sitting in my driveway that I need to figure out how to throw away. Maybe one at a time would fit in a garbage can...

    Replies: @A British Indian, @The Alarmist, @peterike, @Gordo, @kikz, @YetAnotherAnon, @North Carolina Resident, @JimB

    hurts to hear… they made some of the best for their day!!!!!!

  60. “…are whites and males responding to their denigration in their own schools by turning against education?”

    Yes. Obviously, just my opinion. But based on observation.

    I’d add that testing is kind of like polling – depending on the questions and the population sample, you can get any result you want.

    Now, if you want the result to correspond with a useful reality, like actual math or science ability, that’s another matter.

  61. @HammerJack
    For the Asians really to prevail in modern-day America, they need to take a leaf from the Jews' playbook and start developing ways to hide their inevitable exercise of wealth and power.

    The Diversity Obsession installed and enforced by the Jews will give them a leg up, since they won't need to "pass" as white. They won't want to! It's no longer in style, you might say.

    It's also an open question whether or not they have the socio-political chops required for a position of supremacy in a "diverse" society. The Jews have been honing those skills for many centuries. Asians are more heirarchical, to put it politely.

    Replies: @bomag, @Happy Tapir, @Buffalo Joe, @Rahan

    HJ, good comment and the Aisan community will have to drag along those who don’t score 1400 and shun any criminal element rather than support and mimic them. No Asian rap yet.

  62. @Steve Sailer
    @A British Indian

    Is Amar Bose, the half-Indian-American founder of the Bose Corporation, related to the famous Indian Boses? I have two giant Bose speakers I bought in 1983 sitting in my driveway that I need to figure out how to throw away. Maybe one at a time would fit in a garbage can...

    Replies: @A British Indian, @The Alarmist, @peterike, @Gordo, @kikz, @YetAnotherAnon, @North Carolina Resident, @JimB

    “I have two giant Bose speakers I bought in 1983 sitting in my driveway”

    Don’t you have anything like Freecycle (a site for people who either want free stuff or have it to give away) in the US?

    Vintage speakers can still fetch something on eBay, too.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Postal costs are the killer there.

    Plus you can never be sure they won't arrive smashed to pieces courtesy of the courier.

  63. @PiltdownMan
    Two women share the 2020 Nobel Prize for Chemistry, for their work in genome editing. There are many more women in working in molecular biology and biochemistry than, say, in physical chemistry or physics, and if the Swedish Academy for the Sciences wishes to award more prizes to women in science, I expect those are the areas in which winners will get selected from the pool of nominees.

    https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/2020/summary/

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Bardon Kaldian, @Gordo, @Lot

    Pilt, if a male chemist or biologist wants to increase his chance of winning a NB, he should transition from male to female. Acadenia falls for it every time.

    • LOL: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Buffalo Joe

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfO1veFs6Ho

  64. Hm, a score of 1400 ain’t what it used to be.

    • Replies: @res
    @JimB

    The 1995 recentering increased scores 60-70 points in that part of the range (even more elsewhere!).
    https://web.archive.org/web/20120901210606/http://research.collegeboard.org/programs/sat/data/equivalence/sat-composites

    Replies: @JimB

  65. @El Dato
    @Nick Diaz

    Black Victimology:

    US tennis icon Serena Williams suggests she's been 'underpaid & undervalued' compared to white counterparts

    With the precision characteristic of Blacks we are being told what's wrong, but we just can't understand, you see:


    "At the end of May, I had so many people who were white writing to me saying, 'I'm sorry for everything you've had to go through.' I think [that] for a minute they started – not to understand, because I don't think you can understand – but they started to see. I was like: Well, you didn't see any of this before? I've been talking about this my whole career. It's been one thing after another," she added.
     
    Also, COVID.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @black sea

    El, without a doubt Ms Williams is one of the best female tennis players ever. She might be underpaid, but do the Major Tournaments offer appearance fees like some of the lesser ones? She does a number of TV commercials and I would assume print ads, but I don’t subscribe to any magazines so I don’t know. Doesn’t that count for recognition? Early in her career I think her father caused a lot of animosity by his constant ‘all things racist.’ Sad when a successful person, make that wildly successful, can’t find joy in their achievements.

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
    @Buffalo Joe

    "Sad when a successful person, make that wildly successful, can’t find joy in their achievements."

    Williams, Oprah, Michelle... a pattern begins to emerge.

    "without a doubt Ms Williams is one of the best female tennis players ever."

    Well there's her problem. Pretend to be a woman, and be the greatest ever, but lower pay. Or, become a pretty good, but better paid male player.

    Trannies have solved this Hobson's choice, hence they are hated by women.

    , @Arclight
    @Buffalo Joe

    I think she has complained about endorsement money and all that before, but the reality is that female athletes just don't move merchandise the way men do - because men are just more into competitive sports period. The fan base for tennis is pretty evenly split between men and women, but it seems to me men are far more likely to go out an buy the latest racquets, shoes, and other equipment, whereas women like the outfits.

    Frankly Serena has had it pretty good - she has benefitted from being the dominant and most visible women's player for a long time. In contrast, the men's game has three guys who rank among the all-time greats vying for titles and sponsors for the last 15 years.

  66. @PiltdownMan
    Two women share the 2020 Nobel Prize for Chemistry, for their work in genome editing. There are many more women in working in molecular biology and biochemistry than, say, in physical chemistry or physics, and if the Swedish Academy for the Sciences wishes to award more prizes to women in science, I expect those are the areas in which winners will get selected from the pool of nominees.

    https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/2020/summary/

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Bardon Kaldian, @Gordo, @Lot

    These ladies certainly deserved it.

    But a small, still voice within me says we’ll see an increase in science Nobels awarded to females because of ideology. These women will be good at work, certainly. Marie Curie was also good.

    But- not that good.

  67. @Buffalo Joe
    @PiltdownMan

    Pilt, if a male chemist or biologist wants to increase his chance of winning a NB, he should transition from male to female. Acadenia falls for it every time.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  68. If Asians are cheating (by studying hard,) does that not invalidate your basic premise?

  69. OT: But I thought Steve could take a look at the latest from David Brooks in the Atlantic and give us some thoughts.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/collapsing-levels-trust-are-devastating-america/616581/

    It’s mostly about the breakdown of trust in America. Very downbeat. But his call to hope oddly sounds a lot like segregation. America should become more like Queens, or something. A brief mention of immigration (one sentence in a very long piece) but without any discussion on its effect on social trust.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Redman

    David Brooks must be getting paid by the word.

  70. @Almost Missouri
    https://www.takimag.com/wp-content/uploads/clip_image001-1.jpg

    Well, obviously what's happened is that Asians are stealing all the good SAT juju from the Native Americans, just like the Whites stole all the magic dirt from the Blacks.

    And the solution is the same. The Asians must pay SAT reparations to the Indian Reservations. So now casinos plus test-prep clinics.

    Replies: @MarkU, @eD, @Deadite, @Anon, @J.Ross

    As per the chart above, the simplest explanation for the drop in SAT scores for everyone but Asians and Native Americans, is the general decline in IQ that has been measured since 2008. The dates of the drop don’t quite match up to this but come close. Blacks, Hispanics, and Whites all had similar drops without the races changing their relative rankings.

    For Asians, well after about 2001 they figured out how to cheat on the test. My guess is that the people running the educational establishment have realized that or eventually will realize that and the test will be dropped, with the excuse that it is because Blacks are doing too badly, but really because Asians are doing to well. And there would be some logic to this, since Asians probably really are cheating, though it would be better to figure out how and to counter that. I have no explanation for the Native American drop, maybe this is an effect of the small sample size?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @eD

    Cheating simply cannot be the full explanation, any more than vote fraud is the full explanation for why Democrats get more votes in big cities. Both exist to some extent, but are they really widespread enough to swing the numbers so drastically? Where is the proof? You can't just say "they're cheating" without any evidence. When S. Asians win the National Spelling Bee year after year, are they cheating? When these 6 guys tied with China to win the International Math Olympiad, were they all cheating except for the 1 white guy?

    https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2019/july/images/math-olympiad-2019-900x600-min.jpg

    You are letting white people off far too easy if you attribute Asian high scores 100% to cheating. There's a lot more to it than that. There may be some incidents of actual Asian test fraud (e.g. getting the answers in advance) but the vast majority of Asian "cheating" is not cheating at all. Is attending a cram school after school instead of going home to play video games "cheating"? Is becoming fluent with all of the problem types found on the SAT cheating? Memorizing all sorts of math facts and shortcut problem solving methods? Studying the dictionary to learn the definitions of obscure words? You could say that Asians are nerds who have no life and that white kids are too busy playing on the football team to do that much studying, but that's something different than cheating.

    Replies: @Peter Johnson, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Calvin Hobbes

  71. @The Alarmist

    What about legalized marijuana?

     

    The Soma of our day.

    BTW, check out the new face of Mustapha Mond in 2020’s remake of Brave New World.

    https://d1qxviojg2h5lt.cloudfront.net/images/01ECT80HDFHZJY3XKJYJV71MNB/BNW-Nina-Sosanya.jpg

    Replies: @kikz, @Flemur

    What about legalized marijuana?

    This finding is pretty consistent:

    “Now, a study published in JAMA Pediatrics suggests that legalizing marijuana doesn’t draw teens to smoking marijuana and instead may dissuade usage.”

    “Consistent with the results of previous researchers, there was no evidence that the legalization of medical marijuana encourages marijuana use among youth,” researchers concluded. “Moreover, the estimates…showed that marijuana use among youth may actually decline after legalization for recreational purposes.”

    If you like numbers, there are numbers here.

    BTW, check out the new face of Mustapha Mond in 2020’s remake of Brave New World.

    We’ll probably miss that one.

  72. @martin_2
    @Peter Johnson

    " there are still more high-performing Asian children in low-income households. "

    This is what I have noticed having been in education almost all my working life. There is tremendous depth in the Oriental squad. Children whose parents are "Take Away People" that can't even speak good English are innately better at maths than are the children of educated middle class liberal whites.

    I enjoy rubbing this in to said people.

    Replies: @Jack D

    In a better world, this contradiction alone would blow up Affirmative Action. If the children of low income Asians with poor to no Engrish literacy and who are discriminated against by whites are doing extremely well in school and the children of low income Latinos and blacks with poor to no Ingles literacy and who are discriminated against by whites are doing poorly in school, then the explanation must lie outside of parental income or literacy or white racism. Maybe the explanation lies in places where liberals dare not go such as genetics or a child’s need to grow up in an intact two parent family where achievement is encouraged and nurtured by the family itself and not by (government) paid minders.

    But in the world we actually live in, colleges will just maintain double standards and set the bar for blacks and Latinos vastly lower than for Asians. If this is illegal, they will make it legal, by hook or by crook because woke society would never tolerate elite universities with color blind admissions that mirror the enrollment of, for example, Stuyvesant High in NYC (72.43% Asian, 21.44% Caucasian, 1.03% African American, 2.34% Hispanic). They are not going to tolerate Stuyvesant itself for too much longer either. By the way, further to your point, 53% of the Asian kids at Stuyvesant come from low income households.

    And also by the way, these kids are not just good at math – they excel academically on all fronts. They are slightly stronger in math, but if your score is 800M, 750V, 750 is still an extremely good showing that most whites, let alone blacks, could never dream of.

    Despite the lawsuits, I think Asians themselves realize that a 72% Asian Harvard would be overreaching and that not only blacks but also whites would not tolerate that either. But on an individual level, almost every Asian kid wants to get a 1600 and that is not going to change so colleges will have to find some way to continue to discriminate against Asians more and more as they pull away from all other groups.

  73. The Asians in my school were centered around one of my Asian neighbors, and they all admitted to cheating on the SAT or having someone take it for them. The Asians I knew were all Vietnamese. Quite a few were also in their 20s. Don’t know if that is still an issue.

  74. Alright, a few ideas & questions..

    1. how many of these Asians are yellow, and how many are browns? And Muslims?

    2. how many are Americans, and how many are foreign students?

    3. my take is that Asian advantage has more to do with hard work & ethics, and less with nebulous IQ. Also, their cultures emphasize learning (a heroic peasant boy, working hard in his godforsaken village & learning Confucian classics to enter the exams for the Mandarin service).

    4. flight from white- not for white men. White man remains the golden standard for everything. It’s mind, body, eros, natural authority,….

    5. yellow fever is exaggerated, as stats show

    6. all non-black races are in danger of moral & societal corruption if they find TNB appealing. How real this threat is , I don’t know.

    7. it is basically about core culture values- which are, broadly, Western. So it boils down to culture wars. White people will become insignificant if they seriously adopt African grievance parasitism, or Asian anthill culture.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/24/asia/japan-shinzo-abe-work-health-intl-hnk/index.html
    …………………….

    ‘Do or die’ mentality brings Japanese PM Shinzo Abe to the brink
    ……………………….
    That a few days off in the middle of a heatwave would trigger such a domino effect highlights Japan’s obsession with gambaru, a virtually non-translatable concept that means doing one’s best and persevering through the hardest of times.

    Striding into his official residence after his latest hospital visit, Abe said: “I will return to work and try to gambaru.”

    The do-or-die mentality gambaru permeates Japanese society, where the pursuit of a goal can carry more significance than the outcome.

    • Replies: @Paul Mendez
    @Bardon Kaldian

    My local PBS station has a channel devoted to the Japanese national broadcaster NHK. I’m struck by how many times the answer to an interviewer’s question is some variation of, “I will do my best.”

    Doesn’t matter if the topic is business, science, education, sports or politics. Or if the person is young or old, male or female. Even many J-pop songs are about doing your best.

  75. From Steve’s article:

    Even more strikingly, the gap between the mean scores of Asians and whites has grown from only 6 points in 2000 to 113 in 2020. The standard deviation is around 210. So the median Asian in 2020 would score about the 70th percentile among whites.

    That 210 SD struck me as fishy. I thought the SD was supposed to be about 100 on each part and that the correlation between parts was about 0.6. Using those numbers to calculate the SD for the total would give 179 SD for the total.

    But here:

    https://blog.prepscholar.com/sat-standard-deviation

    it says the SD for the total is 211, 105 SD for ERW, 117 SD for Math

    which implies a correlation of 0.806 between ERB and Math. That’s a pretty high correlation. There’s a picture here (See Figure 3) of what that looks like:

    http://www.bioline.org.br/pdf?mm12018

    • Replies: @res
    @Calvin Hobbes

    SD on the subtests was retargeted to 110 in the 1995 recentering.

    Table A.4 of
    https://www.ets.org/Media/Research/pdf/RR-99-02-Dorans.pdf
    gives a correlation of 0.71 for SAT math and verbal.

    The SAT M and V subtest scores correlated with the combined score 0.93 and 0.92 respectively.

    Replies: @Calvin Hobbes

  76. @A British Indian
    @Steve Sailer

    Oh, I’d forgotten about him. Doesn’t look like he’s related to either of them. Given that Bose Corporation, as you say, sells audio equipment, I wouldn’t have been surprised if he was related to Jagadish Chandra Bose, who was one of the fathers of radio science. But it seems not.

    Indeed, people often assume that Bose Corporation is named for Jagadish Chandra, according to this article: https://interestingengineering.com/jagadish-chandra-bose-father-modern-wi-fi

    Replies: @Tark Marg

    “Bose” is a very common surname from Bengal; I’ve never had the impression that there is any common descent among people with this surname. Likely an indication of profession or other characteristic like “Patel” or “Joshi” or “Sailer”.

  77. @Buffalo Joe
    @El Dato

    El, without a doubt Ms Williams is one of the best female tennis players ever. She might be underpaid, but do the Major Tournaments offer appearance fees like some of the lesser ones? She does a number of TV commercials and I would assume print ads, but I don't subscribe to any magazines so I don't know. Doesn't that count for recognition? Early in her career I think her father caused a lot of animosity by his constant 'all things racist.' Sad when a successful person, make that wildly successful, can't find joy in their achievements.

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @Arclight

    “Sad when a successful person, make that wildly successful, can’t find joy in their achievements.”

    Williams, Oprah, Michelle… a pattern begins to emerge.

    “without a doubt Ms Williams is one of the best female tennis players ever.”

    Well there’s her problem. Pretend to be a woman, and be the greatest ever, but lower pay. Or, become a pretty good, but better paid male player.

    Trannies have solved this Hobson’s choice, hence they are hated by women.

  78. @eD
    @Almost Missouri

    As per the chart above, the simplest explanation for the drop in SAT scores for everyone but Asians and Native Americans, is the general decline in IQ that has been measured since 2008. The dates of the drop don't quite match up to this but come close. Blacks, Hispanics, and Whites all had similar drops without the races changing their relative rankings.

    For Asians, well after about 2001 they figured out how to cheat on the test. My guess is that the people running the educational establishment have realized that or eventually will realize that and the test will be dropped, with the excuse that it is because Blacks are doing too badly, but really because Asians are doing to well. And there would be some logic to this, since Asians probably really are cheating, though it would be better to figure out how and to counter that. I have no explanation for the Native American drop, maybe this is an effect of the small sample size?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Cheating simply cannot be the full explanation, any more than vote fraud is the full explanation for why Democrats get more votes in big cities. Both exist to some extent, but are they really widespread enough to swing the numbers so drastically? Where is the proof? You can’t just say “they’re cheating” without any evidence. When S. Asians win the National Spelling Bee year after year, are they cheating? When these 6 guys tied with China to win the International Math Olympiad, were they all cheating except for the 1 white guy?

    You are letting white people off far too easy if you attribute Asian high scores 100% to cheating. There’s a lot more to it than that. There may be some incidents of actual Asian test fraud (e.g. getting the answers in advance) but the vast majority of Asian “cheating” is not cheating at all. Is attending a cram school after school instead of going home to play video games “cheating”? Is becoming fluent with all of the problem types found on the SAT cheating? Memorizing all sorts of math facts and shortcut problem solving methods? Studying the dictionary to learn the definitions of obscure words? You could say that Asians are nerds who have no life and that white kids are too busy playing on the football team to do that much studying, but that’s something different than cheating.

    • Replies: @Peter Johnson
    @Jack D

    That looks like a formidable group of young mathematicians, and very "high brow" to a phrenologist. I also enjoy that in this formal photo the young man middle right has too-short shirt sleeves and next to him middle left has too-long coat sleeves. It will not matter at MIT.

    , @John Milton’s Ghost
    @Jack D

    To be fair, Steve offered it as a conjecture of part of the scores. The smartest kids don’t need to cheat. It’s the kids who are not doing as well but who also worry about that who will cheat. And that would mean mostly Asians, as most of the subcultures demand success.

    Ask any college professor about honor code violations and the vast majority of plagiarism cases, if they’re being honest, come from Asian students. The big caveat is in my experience they aren’t American citizens but foreign students so such cheating may not extend to those here permanently.

    , @Calvin Hobbes
    @Jack D

    “When these 6 guys tied with China to win the International Math Olympiad, were they all cheating except for the 1 white guy? “


    That was 2019 (with the white guy a high school freshman, probably the youngest on the team):

    https://www.imo-official.org/year_country_r.aspx?year=2019

    https://www.imo-official.org/team_r.aspx?code=USA&year=2019

    https://www.imo-official.org/year_individual_r.aspx?year=2020&column=total&order=desc

    Here’s 2020 IMO:

    https://www.imo-official.org/year_country_r.aspx?year=2020&column=total&order=desc

    https://www.imo-official.org/team_r.aspx?code=USA&year=2020

    https://www.imo-official.org/year_individual_r.aspx?year=2020&column=total&order=desc

  79. One thing to keep in mind is that we have reached the tail end of the modern scientific age, there has been no new light bulb like invention since the role out of cell phones in 1990’s, anything that passes for innovation these days is packaging old wine in new bottle like cloud computing or Uber. As such the value off scoring high on entrance exams to get a leg up will be much less in the future, I already see that in Silicon-valley where white kids from small liberal arts colleges that nobody has ever heard off are doing pretty well in managerial ranks of companies, probably because of their already built referral networks. If the scientific age was continuing and we were rolling out new industries, the value of these test scores is higher because it creates opportunities for new entrants where existing networks don’t exist.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @indocon


    there has been no new light bulb like invention since the role out of cell phones in 1990’s, anything that passes for innovation these days is packaging old wine in new bottle like cloud computing or Uber.
     
    Correct.

    The low and mid-hanging technological fruit has been picked. All we can expect are incremental evolutions of existing tech...

    ...unless there is an enormous breakthrough in cold fusion, AI, room-temp superconductors, solar-cell efficiency, or something along those lines we are nearing the limits of what is permitted by the laws of physics with existing technology.

    Replies: @indocon

  80. @Almost Missouri
    https://www.takimag.com/wp-content/uploads/clip_image001-1.jpg

    Well, obviously what's happened is that Asians are stealing all the good SAT juju from the Native Americans, just like the Whites stole all the magic dirt from the Blacks.

    And the solution is the same. The Asians must pay SAT reparations to the Indian Reservations. So now casinos plus test-prep clinics.

    Replies: @MarkU, @eD, @Deadite, @Anon, @J.Ross

    All kidding aside, what caused the slide in SAT starting in 2000? Well, it looks like the result of increased pressure in schools (especially minority schools) from the immigration surge that began under Clinton and that Bush the Least turned up to “11”.

    So Immigration had one big impact, early. Thanks Bill Clinton and GW!

    The precipitous drop of course is the disaster is common core bs. Asians don’t truck with that crap and so I am sure the surge in positive Asian scores are the Asians doing home instruction and tutoring to avoid the poison from the public schools.

    So Common Core has had the impact that Podesta and his buddies stated – producing a less educated and more compliant populace.

    Thanks Obola and Bill Gates!!!

  81. White culture has coarsened with alarming rapidity over the last couple decades, at least where I live in the Pac. NW. Tattooes are emblematic of this trend. When I was a high school kid in the early 90s only a certain type would get tattooes, and usually not too many. Now you see them all over young whites, and even a number of the middle aged.

    It’s also noticeable in cinematic depictions of whites. Compare depictions of whites in movies from the 80s with those from recent years. One could say that movies are not realistic, but when it comes to style, dialog and mannerisms they aren’t that far off the mark.

    Discussions from only a few years back on the difference between British proles and white Americans already seem quaint. We have degenerated – no question about it – and a lot faster than if it had a genetic cause.

    How many Hindus or Orientals do you see with tattooes? How many are using opioids? Are they listening to pornographic rap? Are they rioting in solidarity with a black, junkie, violent criminal who met his demise while bombed on fentanyl and trying to pass a fake $20?

    I looked at some pictures of a George Floyd rally in a park near where I grew up in Seattle. The rally consisted mainly of poorly-dressed young, white slobs. This rally was in a highly oriental neighborhood where FOB immigrants were unloaded to live among blacks back in the 80s, yet they, for some mysterious reason, declined to participate. Instead, tons of unattractive, doughy whites – mainly women – were present.

    That brings me to another point. Has anyone noticed how much rarer attractive women are among whites today compared to 30 years ago? I don’t think it’s my middle-aged libido creating a false impression, because it’s clear that a lot of them could look pretty good if they lost 40 lbs., lasered off their tattooes, dressed reasonably well and/or had a full set of teeth. Of course, washing out their foul mouths with soap might have an effect as well.

    This testing disparity probably has a number of causes, but it isn’t genetics alone. The astonishing collapse of white values and morality must factor into it, and we shouldn’t forget the role played by greed, which is most responsible for giving birth to this monstrosity. It won’t be long, if this goes on, before the democrats openly embrace white trash as a core constituency. In fact, here in the coastal NW that has already happened. What else could one call the political hooligans of Portland and Seattle besides white trash? And despite all the talk of black lives and such, these are the people Portland mayor Ted Wheeler and the Seattle city council cater to — not blacks. This is, without a doubt, a Communist movement disguised as a civil rights crusade.

    Asians are, somewhat stupidly I should add, going along with this. What they should know is that “evil white policemen” are all that stands between them and this horde of neo-Bolsheviks, who would gladly dispossess their rich yellow and brown asses without feeling a hint of racial guilt.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Bill P

    Cheap calories/obesity and its consequences have been a disaster for humanity.

    https://www.steadyhealth.com/topics/obesity-lowers-intelligence


    The latest study that lasted for five years and included 2,200 adults finds a link between obesity and the decline in a person's cognitive functions. Participants belonged to an age group raging from 32 to 62. They needed to take four mental ability tests before the study started and then again five years later.

    The tests revealed that people with a Body Mass Index (BMI) of 20 or less could recall 56 % of words in a vocabulary test, while the obese with a BMI of 30 or higher, could remember only 44 %.

    Those with higher MBI (people with more weight) had cognitive decline five years later when their recall had fallen to 37.5 % while the people with normal weights retained their recall timing.
     
    Other studies found this applies toward childhood as well.

    Replies: @Farenheit, @Marty

    , @stillCARealist
    @Bill P

    Well, the trashy culture is what the boomers wanted, what they had a revolution to accomplish. No more authority, no more standards, no more expectations, no more consequences. Be careful what you wish for.

    They had a filthy speech movement, a sexual revolution, no-fault divorce, abortion on demand, acceptance of drugs, embrace of porn and perversion, shacking up, rebellious music and movies, and then a million other little assaults on decent family life. You're surprised by the prevalence of degradation and self destruction? Why? What else do people have?

    You know, I see these stupid signs outside people's homes that say Love is Love and so forth and I just wonder. Do they have any real sense of love outside self-righteousness? Do they understand the sacrifice and surrender that love entails? It's all a really pathetic pose that any decent actor should see right through. Take down the sign and show me you can stick with your marriage, discipline your kids, pay off your debts, obey authority, stay sober. Nope, no boomer wants any of that and all the subsequent generations are following their lead.

    Okay, I'll stop now.

    Replies: @axually it does

    , @Twinkie
    @Bill P


    Has anyone noticed how much rarer attractive women are among whites today compared to 30 years ago? I don’t think it’s my middle-aged libido creating a false impression, because it’s clear that a lot of them could look pretty good if they lost 40 lbs., lasered off their tattooes, dressed reasonably well and/or had a full set of teeth.
     
    Trimness - esp. among women - is now a class marker. Audacious Epigone posted weight gain among whites over the past several decades, and lower class category women were notable in gaining the most (lower class men gained more than upper class men, but the disparity was less severe than that among different classes of women).

    This is exacerbating the already existing tendency toward assortative marriage by class/education. Gone are the days of rich, successful sons marrying pretty and trim (and grateful) daughters of poorer neighbors next door (which enhances social cohesion and upward mobility). Lawyers and doctors no longer marry para-legals/secretaries and nurses - they marry other lawyers and doctors, in part because of scarcity of desirable women among the lower classes.

    Replies: @anon, @Jack D, @Corn, @nebulafox

  82. @Almost Missouri
    https://www.takimag.com/wp-content/uploads/clip_image001-1.jpg

    Well, obviously what's happened is that Asians are stealing all the good SAT juju from the Native Americans, just like the Whites stole all the magic dirt from the Blacks.

    And the solution is the same. The Asians must pay SAT reparations to the Indian Reservations. So now casinos plus test-prep clinics.

    Replies: @MarkU, @eD, @Deadite, @Anon, @J.Ross

    Was there some impetus for whites of questionable native ancestry to stop claiming native status? Even just a few hundred of those would have a large effect on the average.

  83. @El Dato
    @Nick Diaz

    Black Victimology:

    US tennis icon Serena Williams suggests she's been 'underpaid & undervalued' compared to white counterparts

    With the precision characteristic of Blacks we are being told what's wrong, but we just can't understand, you see:


    "At the end of May, I had so many people who were white writing to me saying, 'I'm sorry for everything you've had to go through.' I think [that] for a minute they started – not to understand, because I don't think you can understand – but they started to see. I was like: Well, you didn't see any of this before? I've been talking about this my whole career. It's been one thing after another," she added.
     
    Also, COVID.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @black sea

    Even though she makes a fortune already, she is probably right to some extent, but the explanation has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the fact that she is built like a linebacker while many of her white counterparts are slim and attractive young women. If you are marketing some fashion product that is supposed to appeal to young women, it’s just going to be very hard to make Serena your spokesmodel.

    This is bloody obvious but as Steve has observed, much of modern life consists of not noticing (or pretending not to notice) the obvious. In the modern world, “racism” is the all purpose explanation for everything bad that happens as much as “the devil” was to Medieval peasants.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Jack D

    If she is built like a linebacker, but supplements her tennis income with marketing gigs aimed at young women, then there is no reason to believe that she is "undervalued" for this work. If she thinks her endorsements should earn her more, she can try her luck with a new agent.

    I assume she makes the same prize money for winning a tournament as any of the other competitors. If so, then her complaints are childish and sulking (not a surprise). It's a shame for all involved that she she isn't as lovely as Anna Kournikova, though Kournikova wasn't nearly so good a tennis player.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Redman

    , @William Badwhite
    @Jack D


    and everything to do with the fact that she is built like a linebacker
     
    Her horrible personality likely contributes as well (though for a period we'd see her on magazines etc referred to as beautiful. By which they must have meant beautiful like Michelle O - meaning manly and hideous). Yelling at referees, throwing tantrums, blaming everything on "racism".

    Here is true beauty:

    https://www.graphic.com.gh/images/2018/sept/10/serena-williams-us-open.jpg

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

  84. @El Dato
    @Nick Diaz

    Black Victimology:

    US tennis icon Serena Williams suggests she's been 'underpaid & undervalued' compared to white counterparts

    With the precision characteristic of Blacks we are being told what's wrong, but we just can't understand, you see:


    "At the end of May, I had so many people who were white writing to me saying, 'I'm sorry for everything you've had to go through.' I think [that] for a minute they started – not to understand, because I don't think you can understand – but they started to see. I was like: Well, you didn't see any of this before? I've been talking about this my whole career. It's been one thing after another," she added.
     
    Also, COVID.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @black sea

    Half of working Americans believe they are underpaid, so there should be a lot of whites (among others) who can understand and identify with her plight.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @black sea

    Well they objectively are underpaid because of the use of immigrants to prevent wages from keeping pace with inflation. These people are kept from starving but are not paid. The only ones who are paid are the ones who can use skills or haggling (which is a skill) to force their wages into something like correction, like Selena.

    , @El Dato
    @black sea

    Well, she's technically a freelancing entertainer, not a working anything.

    , @Paul Mendez
    @black sea

    EVERYBODY thinks they’re underpaid! They might be grateful at first, but soon they rationalize that they actually deserve every penny, and eventually they resent the fact that they aren’t paid more.

    Not many people have the honesty to look at themselves in the mirror each and every morning as they get ready for work and say, “I can’t believe how much they’re paying me to do this job!”

  85. OT:
    Another arms depot explosion.

    This one near Moscow, apparently 10 villages are being evacuated.

    Maybe they were trying to ramp up production and storage given the situation in caucuses? Maybe covid made full man power and full safety regs weren’t available? Maybe a little of both? Maybe sabotage?

    If the war was started with Turkish encouragement of Azerbaijan as well as Western governments to cause more headaches for Russia, maybe the arms depot is just another part of making it more difficult for them.

    Moon of Alabama is saying the newly appointed heads of the CIA and MI6 are both old hands with regards to Turkey and speak Turkish fluently.

    In our last piece on the war we pointed to U.S. plans to ‘overextend Russia’ by creating trouble in the Caucasus just as it is now happening. Fort Russ notes:

    The current director of the CIA, Gina Haspel, was doing field assignments in Turkey in the early stages of her career, she reportedly speaks Turkish, and she has history of serving as a station chief in Baku, Azerbaijan, in the late 1990s. It is, therefore, presumable that she still has connections with the local government and business elites.

    The current Chief of the MI6, Richard Moore, also has history of working in Turkey — he was performing tasks for the British intelligence there in the late 1980s and the early 1990s. Moore is fluent in Turkish and he also served as the British Ambassador to Turkey from 2014 to 2017.

    The intelligence chiefs of the two most powerful countries in the Anglosphere are turkologists with connections in Turkey and Azerbaijan. It would be reasonable to assume that a regional conflict of such magnitude happening now, on their watch, is far from being a mere coincidence.

    Before President Trump stopped the program the CIA had used the Azerbaijani Silk Way Airlines in more than 350 flights to bring weapons from Bulgaria to Turkey to then hand them to ‘Syrian rebels’. Baku, the capital of Azerbaijan, is not only a CIA station but also a Mossad center for waging its silent war against Iran.

    • Thanks: J.Ross
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Altai

    It does look like a whole series of unfortunate events are taking place on Russia's borders.

    "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action".

    Could it be that the three-letter boys are now confident of a Trump loss and have decided to turn everything up to 11? After all, they've lost four years.

    There was an FT interview with the outgoing MI6 boss a couple of days back. Another Afghan/ME hand. My emboldening.

    https://www.ft.com/content/c544d058-6dad-4549-8319-470975281d0a


    Younger tells me that while a pandemic was considered a potential threat, no one had calculated its implications in the security sphere. It has already intensified geopolitical rivalry and put unwelcome emphasis on economic sovereignty. “It seems to me, regrettably, in the response to the pandemic, we’ve seen essentially a nation-based response characterised by opportunism and protectionism. As an intelligence officer, I’ve got to deal with the consequences of that.
     
    It seems MI6 are on the side of the globalists. But it looks as if eleven years after Fingleton wrote In The Jaws Of The Dragon our intelligence services, like some giant supertanker, are slowly turning round. They've realised the Chinese aren't good globalists, people who'd sell out their own working class and the country for a few million more in stock options, after all!

    Younger says, with some regret, that the notion, widely held in the west in the past two decades, that economic progress would bring democratisation to China was a misunderstanding of the Communist party. “The idea that as they matured and became richer they were going to become more like us is for the birds,” he says. “I think you’re seeing a steady but definite ideological divergence taking place; there will be at least two dominant value systems on one planet into the medium term and that’s just a fact and it’s where we’re going.”
     

    Replies: @Altai

    , @Jack D
    @Altai

    Russians always think sabotage when the real explanation is drunkenness. Some ammunition dump in Ryazan (a dump within a dump) is not important enough for Americans to want to sabotage it.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  86. @anon
    It's a good essay, a bit edgy of course due to the subject matter and Steve's unflinching intellectual honesty. I can think of two additions or adjustments: one, a less snarky tone. For example, rather than ending with " Good luck with that." I'd have said "We wish them luck."

    Also a mention about how importing African brains is draining African countries, where those brains are sorely needed. It's another sort of colonialism and every bit as devastating as the old kind we now disparage.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @bomag

    Also a mention about how importing African brains is draining African countries, where those brains are sorely needed.

    Well, the political track record of smart elites isn’t all that great, so maybe Africa Wins Again.

  87. @Bill P
    White culture has coarsened with alarming rapidity over the last couple decades, at least where I live in the Pac. NW. Tattooes are emblematic of this trend. When I was a high school kid in the early 90s only a certain type would get tattooes, and usually not too many. Now you see them all over young whites, and even a number of the middle aged.

    It's also noticeable in cinematic depictions of whites. Compare depictions of whites in movies from the 80s with those from recent years. One could say that movies are not realistic, but when it comes to style, dialog and mannerisms they aren't that far off the mark.

    Discussions from only a few years back on the difference between British proles and white Americans already seem quaint. We have degenerated - no question about it - and a lot faster than if it had a genetic cause.

    How many Hindus or Orientals do you see with tattooes? How many are using opioids? Are they listening to pornographic rap? Are they rioting in solidarity with a black, junkie, violent criminal who met his demise while bombed on fentanyl and trying to pass a fake $20?

    I looked at some pictures of a George Floyd rally in a park near where I grew up in Seattle. The rally consisted mainly of poorly-dressed young, white slobs. This rally was in a highly oriental neighborhood where FOB immigrants were unloaded to live among blacks back in the 80s, yet they, for some mysterious reason, declined to participate. Instead, tons of unattractive, doughy whites - mainly women - were present.

    That brings me to another point. Has anyone noticed how much rarer attractive women are among whites today compared to 30 years ago? I don't think it's my middle-aged libido creating a false impression, because it's clear that a lot of them could look pretty good if they lost 40 lbs., lasered off their tattooes, dressed reasonably well and/or had a full set of teeth. Of course, washing out their foul mouths with soap might have an effect as well.

    This testing disparity probably has a number of causes, but it isn't genetics alone. The astonishing collapse of white values and morality must factor into it, and we shouldn't forget the role played by greed, which is most responsible for giving birth to this monstrosity. It won't be long, if this goes on, before the democrats openly embrace white trash as a core constituency. In fact, here in the coastal NW that has already happened. What else could one call the political hooligans of Portland and Seattle besides white trash? And despite all the talk of black lives and such, these are the people Portland mayor Ted Wheeler and the Seattle city council cater to -- not blacks. This is, without a doubt, a Communist movement disguised as a civil rights crusade.

    Asians are, somewhat stupidly I should add, going along with this. What they should know is that "evil white policemen" are all that stands between them and this horde of neo-Bolsheviks, who would gladly dispossess their rich yellow and brown asses without feeling a hint of racial guilt.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @stillCARealist, @Twinkie

    Cheap calories/obesity and its consequences have been a disaster for humanity.

    https://www.steadyhealth.com/topics/obesity-lowers-intelligence

    The latest study that lasted for five years and included 2,200 adults finds a link between obesity and the decline in a person’s cognitive functions. Participants belonged to an age group raging from 32 to 62. They needed to take four mental ability tests before the study started and then again five years later.

    The tests revealed that people with a Body Mass Index (BMI) of 20 or less could recall 56 % of words in a vocabulary test, while the obese with a BMI of 30 or higher, could remember only 44 %.

    Those with higher MBI (people with more weight) had cognitive decline five years later when their recall had fallen to 37.5 % while the people with normal weights retained their recall timing.

    Other studies found this applies toward childhood as well.

    • Replies: @Farenheit
    @Daniel Chieh

    Cheap calories are no excuses for repulsive tattoos and hideous piercings. That's all the glorious work of our degraded culture.

    , @Marty
    @Daniel Chieh

    My sense is that you and Bill must be right. On the other hand, in high school in the ‘70’s I only knew one person who clearly qualified as obese, and he scored 790 SAT-M and went to RPI.

  88. @Jack D
    @El Dato

    Even though she makes a fortune already, she is probably right to some extent, but the explanation has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the fact that she is built like a linebacker while many of her white counterparts are slim and attractive young women. If you are marketing some fashion product that is supposed to appeal to young women, it's just going to be very hard to make Serena your spokesmodel.

    This is bloody obvious but as Steve has observed, much of modern life consists of not noticing (or pretending not to notice) the obvious. In the modern world, "racism" is the all purpose explanation for everything bad that happens as much as "the devil" was to Medieval peasants.

    Replies: @black sea, @William Badwhite

    If she is built like a linebacker, but supplements her tennis income with marketing gigs aimed at young women, then there is no reason to believe that she is “undervalued” for this work. If she thinks her endorsements should earn her more, she can try her luck with a new agent.

    I assume she makes the same prize money for winning a tournament as any of the other competitors. If so, then her complaints are childish and sulking (not a surprise). It’s a shame for all involved that she she isn’t as lovely as Anna Kournikova, though Kournikova wasn’t nearly so good a tennis player.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @black sea

    I totally agree with you, but in mainstream (liberal) circles it is common to believe that women are "underpaid" simply because they make on average 70% of what men make, without trying to account for differences in danger, skills, etc. These same people would like female basketball players to earn the same as NBA stars despite the fact that the audience sizes are vastly different. In other words, economics is not their strong suit.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Stan d Mute

    , @Redman
    @black sea

    Her sister was far more attractive. Taller and slender.

  89. @Buffalo Joe
    @El Dato

    El, without a doubt Ms Williams is one of the best female tennis players ever. She might be underpaid, but do the Major Tournaments offer appearance fees like some of the lesser ones? She does a number of TV commercials and I would assume print ads, but I don't subscribe to any magazines so I don't know. Doesn't that count for recognition? Early in her career I think her father caused a lot of animosity by his constant 'all things racist.' Sad when a successful person, make that wildly successful, can't find joy in their achievements.

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @Arclight

    I think she has complained about endorsement money and all that before, but the reality is that female athletes just don’t move merchandise the way men do – because men are just more into competitive sports period. The fan base for tennis is pretty evenly split between men and women, but it seems to me men are far more likely to go out an buy the latest racquets, shoes, and other equipment, whereas women like the outfits.

    Frankly Serena has had it pretty good – she has benefitted from being the dominant and most visible women’s player for a long time. In contrast, the men’s game has three guys who rank among the all-time greats vying for titles and sponsors for the last 15 years.

  90. @Arclight
    Blacks are the squeakiest wheel in American demography, and whites above all other groups are most receptive to their complaints. Partly I think this is from a sense of guilt and also from a sense that they can be humored because whites up until recently were so dominant from sheer numbers there was little cost to society to putting a foot on the scale here and there.

    That's all going to change in the next 20-30 years however. A shrinking white population and rising Latino/Asian share means the percentage of the non-black population that is receptive to prioritizing black concerns is declining. I cannot decide whether the current BLM mania is a shrewd play to grab all the advantages possible in light of this inevitability by strategists on the left, or just an unfortunate confluence of events and opportunism.

    Either way, I anticipate that in the not too distant future there will be much more open discussion of the genetic and cultural factors that keep blacks at the bottom of the rankings as matter of fact Asians rise to more important and visible roles in society and Latinos who live in close proximity and share schools prove unwilling to provide the deference to political demands that blacks are accustomed to receiving from whites.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Hm… I have to correct myself. Seems that miscegenation of real whites with Asians is very high. I don’t have a reason to question these figures, as of 2011.

    So:

    W- white
    M- male
    F-female
    I- Indian
    K-Korean
    C-Chinese
    P-Filipino
    J-Japanese
    V- Vietnamese

    http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml#sthash.7nGFITpw.dpbs
    …………………….

    IM-WF: 25.6%
    IF-WM: 37.8%

    CM-WF: 26.5%
    CF-WM: 37.7%

    PM-WF: 31.8%
    PF-WM: 42.7%

    JM-WF: 25.1%
    JF-WM: 29.9%

    KM-WF: 34.6%
    KF-WM: 57.7%

    VM-WF: 21.9%
    VF-WM: 41.3%

    • Replies: @jon
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Interesting stats. The lowest AM-WF rate as well as the biggest male-female gap in interracial marriage is among the Vietnamese. Maybe it's a height thing. Conversely, Japanese guys are the Chads of Asian males. Koreans have the highest rate of intermarriage among both men and women. This, combined with their world-worst birth rate, and they won't even exist in a few generations. But the biggest take away - a lot of sexually frustrated Asian guys out there, and that can lead to anything good.

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Kaz

  91. @HammerJack
    For the Asians really to prevail in modern-day America, they need to take a leaf from the Jews' playbook and start developing ways to hide their inevitable exercise of wealth and power.

    The Diversity Obsession installed and enforced by the Jews will give them a leg up, since they won't need to "pass" as white. They won't want to! It's no longer in style, you might say.

    It's also an open question whether or not they have the socio-political chops required for a position of supremacy in a "diverse" society. The Jews have been honing those skills for many centuries. Asians are more heirarchical, to put it politely.

    Replies: @bomag, @Happy Tapir, @Buffalo Joe, @Rahan

    Asians will think they’re acquiring smarts and connections when Jews intensify interbreeding with them.

    What they won’t realize is that this will produce the first generations of “fellow yellow people” will then drift to the countries of origin and begin dismantling China and Japan from the inside in the name of cosmic justice.

  92. @Bill P
    White culture has coarsened with alarming rapidity over the last couple decades, at least where I live in the Pac. NW. Tattooes are emblematic of this trend. When I was a high school kid in the early 90s only a certain type would get tattooes, and usually not too many. Now you see them all over young whites, and even a number of the middle aged.

    It's also noticeable in cinematic depictions of whites. Compare depictions of whites in movies from the 80s with those from recent years. One could say that movies are not realistic, but when it comes to style, dialog and mannerisms they aren't that far off the mark.

    Discussions from only a few years back on the difference between British proles and white Americans already seem quaint. We have degenerated - no question about it - and a lot faster than if it had a genetic cause.

    How many Hindus or Orientals do you see with tattooes? How many are using opioids? Are they listening to pornographic rap? Are they rioting in solidarity with a black, junkie, violent criminal who met his demise while bombed on fentanyl and trying to pass a fake $20?

    I looked at some pictures of a George Floyd rally in a park near where I grew up in Seattle. The rally consisted mainly of poorly-dressed young, white slobs. This rally was in a highly oriental neighborhood where FOB immigrants were unloaded to live among blacks back in the 80s, yet they, for some mysterious reason, declined to participate. Instead, tons of unattractive, doughy whites - mainly women - were present.

    That brings me to another point. Has anyone noticed how much rarer attractive women are among whites today compared to 30 years ago? I don't think it's my middle-aged libido creating a false impression, because it's clear that a lot of them could look pretty good if they lost 40 lbs., lasered off their tattooes, dressed reasonably well and/or had a full set of teeth. Of course, washing out their foul mouths with soap might have an effect as well.

    This testing disparity probably has a number of causes, but it isn't genetics alone. The astonishing collapse of white values and morality must factor into it, and we shouldn't forget the role played by greed, which is most responsible for giving birth to this monstrosity. It won't be long, if this goes on, before the democrats openly embrace white trash as a core constituency. In fact, here in the coastal NW that has already happened. What else could one call the political hooligans of Portland and Seattle besides white trash? And despite all the talk of black lives and such, these are the people Portland mayor Ted Wheeler and the Seattle city council cater to -- not blacks. This is, without a doubt, a Communist movement disguised as a civil rights crusade.

    Asians are, somewhat stupidly I should add, going along with this. What they should know is that "evil white policemen" are all that stands between them and this horde of neo-Bolsheviks, who would gladly dispossess their rich yellow and brown asses without feeling a hint of racial guilt.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @stillCARealist, @Twinkie

    Well, the trashy culture is what the boomers wanted, what they had a revolution to accomplish. No more authority, no more standards, no more expectations, no more consequences. Be careful what you wish for.

    They had a filthy speech movement, a sexual revolution, no-fault divorce, abortion on demand, acceptance of drugs, embrace of porn and perversion, shacking up, rebellious music and movies, and then a million other little assaults on decent family life. You’re surprised by the prevalence of degradation and self destruction? Why? What else do people have?

    You know, I see these stupid signs outside people’s homes that say Love is Love and so forth and I just wonder. Do they have any real sense of love outside self-righteousness? Do they understand the sacrifice and surrender that love entails? It’s all a really pathetic pose that any decent actor should see right through. Take down the sign and show me you can stick with your marriage, discipline your kids, pay off your debts, obey authority, stay sober. Nope, no boomer wants any of that and all the subsequent generations are following their lead.

    Okay, I’ll stop now.

    • Agree: Farenheit
    • Replies: @axually it does
    @stillCARealist

    Not Boomers - 'Silent Generation' born before 1946.

    Boomers just followed their older 'brothers' and 'sisters' during the 60s - like most impressionable young people do.

    Check it - all of the 1960s culture leaders were born before the postwar Baby Boom.

    If you blame Boomers for Punk culture late 1970s I'll grant that. 1970s was when Boomers began to affect the culture. Punk was partly a reaction against all the Hippy crap the Silent Generation had foisted on us - Punk (& Disco for the girls) became our culture, but we voted for Reagan, worked hard like our parents and had the same expectations - at least we males did. I can't speak for Boomer females who went their own way (I gave up on them in 1980 after seeing them sink into the gutter, but are women responsible or are they easily led and corrupted?).

  93. @MarkU
    @Almost Missouri

    What a depressing graph, it looks like Joe Biden isn't alone in his cognitive decline.

    How to explain it? well it obviously isn't a genetic issue, it is happening far too quickly for that. If it was simply a decline in the quality of education then one might reasonably expect asians to be affected too. My guess is cultural factors are responsible, an anti-academic culture is toxic as far as cognitive development is concerned. Asians are probably the group least affected by woke culture, they are neither demonised nor told they are a victim group so they are less likely to be concerned with accumulating 'right-on' credentials in order to compensate for their 'toxicity' or alternately being taught that they are oppressed and not responsible for their own lives.

    I'm obviously just guessing, considerably more detailed data is required to do more than that.

    Replies: @anon

    I’m obviously just guessing, considerably more detailed data is required to do more than that.

    Maybe.

  94. @Jack D
    @eD

    Cheating simply cannot be the full explanation, any more than vote fraud is the full explanation for why Democrats get more votes in big cities. Both exist to some extent, but are they really widespread enough to swing the numbers so drastically? Where is the proof? You can't just say "they're cheating" without any evidence. When S. Asians win the National Spelling Bee year after year, are they cheating? When these 6 guys tied with China to win the International Math Olympiad, were they all cheating except for the 1 white guy?

    https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2019/july/images/math-olympiad-2019-900x600-min.jpg

    You are letting white people off far too easy if you attribute Asian high scores 100% to cheating. There's a lot more to it than that. There may be some incidents of actual Asian test fraud (e.g. getting the answers in advance) but the vast majority of Asian "cheating" is not cheating at all. Is attending a cram school after school instead of going home to play video games "cheating"? Is becoming fluent with all of the problem types found on the SAT cheating? Memorizing all sorts of math facts and shortcut problem solving methods? Studying the dictionary to learn the definitions of obscure words? You could say that Asians are nerds who have no life and that white kids are too busy playing on the football team to do that much studying, but that's something different than cheating.

    Replies: @Peter Johnson, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Calvin Hobbes

    That looks like a formidable group of young mathematicians, and very “high brow” to a phrenologist. I also enjoy that in this formal photo the young man middle right has too-short shirt sleeves and next to him middle left has too-long coat sleeves. It will not matter at MIT.

  95. @PiltdownMan
    Two women share the 2020 Nobel Prize for Chemistry, for their work in genome editing. There are many more women in working in molecular biology and biochemistry than, say, in physical chemistry or physics, and if the Swedish Academy for the Sciences wishes to award more prizes to women in science, I expect those are the areas in which winners will get selected from the pool of nominees.

    https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/2020/summary/

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Bardon Kaldian, @Gordo, @Lot

    Oh probably, I’d imagine White and Ashkenazi women will get more Nobels because it’s gonna be kind of difficult to give them to SSAs without it being a little obviously faked.

    There was an old film from the 70s where an American ambulance firm was in some sort of hearing, their rivals produced some black crew as part of the bid and the other side stated that they had a woman, which was worth at least two blacks.

  96. @Daniel Chieh
    @Bill P

    Cheap calories/obesity and its consequences have been a disaster for humanity.

    https://www.steadyhealth.com/topics/obesity-lowers-intelligence


    The latest study that lasted for five years and included 2,200 adults finds a link between obesity and the decline in a person's cognitive functions. Participants belonged to an age group raging from 32 to 62. They needed to take four mental ability tests before the study started and then again five years later.

    The tests revealed that people with a Body Mass Index (BMI) of 20 or less could recall 56 % of words in a vocabulary test, while the obese with a BMI of 30 or higher, could remember only 44 %.

    Those with higher MBI (people with more weight) had cognitive decline five years later when their recall had fallen to 37.5 % while the people with normal weights retained their recall timing.
     
    Other studies found this applies toward childhood as well.

    Replies: @Farenheit, @Marty

    Cheap calories are no excuses for repulsive tattoos and hideous piercings. That’s all the glorious work of our degraded culture.

  97. anon[330] • Disclaimer says:

    This is the unintended consequence of affirmative action — it makes the strong stronger and the weak weaker. Asians have to score far higher than all other groups to have the same chance of admission to elite colleges, so they put in a lot more effort into studying, both for the SAT and for AP exams etc. Meanwhile, whites are getting in through ECs, often by playing sports. Asians have a height disadvantage in sports compared to whites and blacks. And also most Asian moms do not want their kids playing concussion heavy sports like football — they still think the best way to get ahead is by using your brain.

    The only kids who even apply to elite colleges any more from our area are Asians, Hispanics, Nigerians and Jews. White kids tend to go to the state flagships or party schools and don’t even bother applying to elite colleges. If you look at the demo at Top 25 colleges or the UCs, you would think there are 4 to 8 times more Asians in this country than the reported 5%, but the majority of liberal arts colleges and state flagships in the middle of the country are actually still overwhelmingly white. University of Wisconsin for example is still over 70% white. In most Red states, Asians make up no more than 5% of the state flagship.

    What this data tells me is that Hispanics are now the biggest beneficiaries of AA. Hispanic enrollment in elite colleges have been rising rapidly in the last decade, yet according to this chart, their SAT scores aren’t that spectacular. Per the study by Espenshade, Asians have to score 140 pts above whites, 310 pts above Hispanics and 450 pts above blacks to have the same chance of admission. Hispanics are now 12% to 20% of enrollment at many elite colleges, while whites are now down to 25% to 40%. The rise of Hispanics is really cutting into white enrollment.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    @anon

    Well that confirms what I saw

    I only went to my college because it was the last one to NOT be taken over by Asians in the area...I was the last White Group so to speak

    The takeover was so complete and so Fast (2-3 years) that even a liberal girlfriend commented (she was stuck there still getting her PHD after I left)

    My Dad of all people recently visited my college campus and he was SHOCKED by how it had changed...he said not only was it all Asian/Indian but it also had a very Negative Vibe...

    No white kid who is attracted to other white kids is going to go to a school like that. It's not a healthy environment.

    So why worry about the SAT if you are going to U of Nowhereville anyways? Get a good enough score and move on.

    I think that is a Logical Attitude. However...I had perfect 5's on all of my AP exams and I got 800 across the board on SAT2.

    It was more a point of pride to study for those tests. It was as Steve suggests...more relevant to my goals to get good grades on those tests. It was the culmination of a year or so of hard work. There's something more Triumphant about those tests in my opinion (precisely because I was seeing so many Asians get <1100 and jump suddenly up to 1300 after so many weeks of test prep)

    If my kids were to take the SAT I would get them test prep, but once they hit the score needed to get into the college of their choice (or scholarship)...I would have them move onto something else.

  98. @Nick Diaz
    This is one of the stupidest articles Sailer has written, and that is saying something since Sailer writes nothing but stupidity.

    When we talk about White Supremacy, we are talking about institutionalized racism that favors white people over other races, giving them unfair opportunities. Asians, conversely, achieved their dominance in academia through hard work.

    There is a fundamental difference between supremacy achieved via unearned privilege, and supremacy achieved through diligence and discipline. Apples and oranges. It is a key distinction that eludes Sailer.

    Sailer is, again, wrong. Quite a habit that he has at being consistently wrong about everything.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @AndrewR, @Hapalong Cassidy, @fish, @El Dato, @James N. Kennett, @Anonymous Jew, @hhsiii

    Racism makes Blacks bad at academics but good at sports. Racism makes Asians good at academics but bad at sports. Racism makes Mexicans stupid but Indians smart. Racism makes East Africans good at distance running and West Africans good at sprinting. Racism can do anything you want to any group of people. It’s the most powerful mind control in the world. Excuse me while I Jew racism myself into making more money.

    • LOL: Dan Hayes
  99. Anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:

    Need to block all Asian immigration immediately. TRoosevelt was so right. All of our supposedly “racist” ancestors were so right.

    JUST CLOSE THE DAMN BORDERS ALREADY. They will put our society into a deep sleep. A coma. Innovation will die.

    Asians don’t increase the prestige of any institution. They flood in and give the place the SADZ. They put the place to sleep.

    If you think Asian societies are so great then go there!

    Asian “genius” = Hive mind rote memory wet robots.

    Somebody post a list of the top ten all time greatest Asian speeches. You can’t do it. Not asking for a lot here.

    Tempted to say they are the worst communicators on earth. But it’s more a question of ideas. It’s not like their great ideas are trapped inside their heads but they just can’t get them out!

    Use common sense. There is something wrong when people can’t write memorable songs or even sing songs competently. Their art is cartoons. They mostly reject alphabets. They are so fundamentally NOT US. They are deeply profoundly anti-western.

    Great Asians? Who are the great Asian leaders? Occasionally they make great doctors.

    Nobody wants to hire an Asian lawyer. Think about it. They cannot compete as lawyers in the real world marketplace but they’re the SAT test super heros.

    My criticism of Asians is group criticism. The Asian blob is terrifying.

    There are many outstanding Asian individuals who can embody the American Spirit. But they are thin on the ground. Numbers matter.

  100. @Almost Missouri
    https://www.takimag.com/wp-content/uploads/clip_image001-1.jpg

    Well, obviously what's happened is that Asians are stealing all the good SAT juju from the Native Americans, just like the Whites stole all the magic dirt from the Blacks.

    And the solution is the same. The Asians must pay SAT reparations to the Indian Reservations. So now casinos plus test-prep clinics.

    Replies: @MarkU, @eD, @Deadite, @Anon, @J.Ross

    Actually, that’s what we have to hope for: to be left hinterland corners rather than suffering full totalitarian control. Orania is the best case scenario.

  101. @Steve Sailer
    @A British Indian

    Is Amar Bose, the half-Indian-American founder of the Bose Corporation, related to the famous Indian Boses? I have two giant Bose speakers I bought in 1983 sitting in my driveway that I need to figure out how to throw away. Maybe one at a time would fit in a garbage can...

    Replies: @A British Indian, @The Alarmist, @peterike, @Gordo, @kikz, @YetAnotherAnon, @North Carolina Resident, @JimB

    If they work, or if their wooden cabinets can be reused as speakers or repurposed for something else, post a “curb alert” craigslist ad.
    Salvation Army accepts donations.

  102. @Dan Hayes
    @Anon7

    Twain showed much, much less empathy for Native Americans (or whatever they're called these days)!

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    Twain showed much, much less empathy for Native Americans

    And mormons as well

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  103. anon[330] • Disclaimer says:
    @Voltarde
    Most likely there's a differential decline in TFR across the bell curve of white intelligence. Intelligent white women are more likely to have careers that lead to delayed child-bearing (which is dysgenic) as well as reduced frequency of child-bearing relative to the rest of the white population. Also, do the rates of divorce and age of parents at time of divorce differ markedly for intelligent whites versus intelligent Asians? Nowadays, the children of intelligent whites are probably exposed to less enriching child-rearing environments than their predecessors due to the relative absence of their parents in their lives (i.e., dual-career parents and increased rates of divorce). Although the same social factors (e.g., differential TFR decline) may also affect the children of intelligent Asians, the quantity and quality of intelligent Asians in the U.S. are continually being augmented by relatively high-IQ Asian immigrants.

    There may also be an effect of intelligent white men marrying East Asian women; their children may be more likely to identify as Asian (i.e., the "flight-from-white" phenomenon) given the increasing vilification of whites, especially white males.

    If you think the differences in SAT scores are alarming, just imagine in U.S. whites tried the math section of China's National College Entrance Examination ("gao kao").

    Replies: @anon

    Divorce rate by Native Americans is now the highest among all groups, which might explain the collapse in their SAT scores. They are closely followed by blacks, then whites, with Hispanics far lower and Asians the lowest:

    https://flowingdata.com/2016/03/30/divorce-rates-for-different-groups/

    I think college educated women in general are having fewer children, regardless of race. But the divorce rate among college educated white women is probably a lot higher than college educated Asian and Hispanic women, that’s why their children suffer. Almost everyone in my extended (white) family has been through at least one divorce, with the exception of the two who married Asian/half Asian.

  104. @black sea
    @El Dato

    Half of working Americans believe they are underpaid, so there should be a lot of whites (among others) who can understand and identify with her plight.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @El Dato, @Paul Mendez

    Well they objectively are underpaid because of the use of immigrants to prevent wages from keeping pace with inflation. These people are kept from starving but are not paid. The only ones who are paid are the ones who can use skills or haggling (which is a skill) to force their wages into something like correction, like Selena.

  105. In my experience, blacks get really pissy when you ask them why, if America is so white supremacist, Asians do so well.

  106. @Altai
    OT:
    Another arms depot explosion.

    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1313815223275487232

    This one near Moscow, apparently 10 villages are being evacuated.

    https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1313830750928633865

    Maybe they were trying to ramp up production and storage given the situation in caucuses? Maybe covid made full man power and full safety regs weren't available? Maybe a little of both? Maybe sabotage?

    If the war was started with Turkish encouragement of Azerbaijan as well as Western governments to cause more headaches for Russia, maybe the arms depot is just another part of making it more difficult for them.

    Moon of Alabama is saying the newly appointed heads of the CIA and MI6 are both old hands with regards to Turkey and speak Turkish fluently.


    In our last piece on the war we pointed to U.S. plans to 'overextend Russia' by creating trouble in the Caucasus just as it is now happening. Fort Russ notes:

    The current director of the CIA, Gina Haspel, was doing field assignments in Turkey in the early stages of her career, she reportedly speaks Turkish, and she has history of serving as a station chief in Baku, Azerbaijan, in the late 1990s. It is, therefore, presumable that she still has connections with the local government and business elites.

    The current Chief of the MI6, Richard Moore, also has history of working in Turkey — he was performing tasks for the British intelligence there in the late 1980s and the early 1990s. Moore is fluent in Turkish and he also served as the British Ambassador to Turkey from 2014 to 2017.

    The intelligence chiefs of the two most powerful countries in the Anglosphere are turkologists with connections in Turkey and Azerbaijan. It would be reasonable to assume that a regional conflict of such magnitude happening now, on their watch, is far from being a mere coincidence.

    Before President Trump stopped the program the CIA had used the Azerbaijani Silk Way Airlines in more than 350 flights to bring weapons from Bulgaria to Turkey to then hand them to 'Syrian rebels'. Baku, the capital of Azerbaijan, is not only a CIA station but also a Mossad center for waging its silent war against Iran.
     

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jack D

    It does look like a whole series of unfortunate events are taking place on Russia’s borders.

    “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action”.

    Could it be that the three-letter boys are now confident of a Trump loss and have decided to turn everything up to 11? After all, they’ve lost four years.

    There was an FT interview with the outgoing MI6 boss a couple of days back. Another Afghan/ME hand. My emboldening.

    https://www.ft.com/content/c544d058-6dad-4549-8319-470975281d0a

    Younger tells me that while a pandemic was considered a potential threat, no one had calculated its implications in the security sphere. It has already intensified geopolitical rivalry and put unwelcome emphasis on economic sovereignty. “It seems to me, regrettably, in the response to the pandemic, we’ve seen essentially a nation-based response characterised by opportunism and protectionism. As an intelligence officer, I’ve got to deal with the consequences of that.

    It seems MI6 are on the side of the globalists. But it looks as if eleven years after Fingleton wrote In The Jaws Of The Dragon our intelligence services, like some giant supertanker, are slowly turning round. They’ve realised the Chinese aren’t good globalists, people who’d sell out their own working class and the country for a few million more in stock options, after all!

    Younger says, with some regret, that the notion, widely held in the west in the past two decades, that economic progress would bring democratisation to China was a misunderstanding of the Communist party. “The idea that as they matured and became richer they were going to become more like us is for the birds,” he says. “I think you’re seeing a steady but definite ideological divergence taking place; there will be at least two dominant value systems on one planet into the medium term and that’s just a fact and it’s where we’re going.”

    • Replies: @Altai
    @YetAnotherAnon

    There was a time that elites often desired more national autonomy so they could accrue more local control and social status. Better to be a big fish in a small pond. The fish in the core regions will always want to keep it all for themselves.

    But maybe ease of travel destroyed some of that in the West. Certainly in the US people don't look back at their home towns once they get in good.

    The Chinese still live in a cultural bubble and better to keep it all there for themselves than compete with global elites. But they shouldn't have been so surprised, the only other non-Western countries to enjoy first world status (Japan, Taiwan and South Korea) didn't exactly show signs that, had they a population of 1.2 billion, they'd be inclined to play the role they did in the globalist system. (All engage in protectionism and industrial planning. Nor have any, outside to a lesser extent South Korea been busy about importing endless immigrants despite a cornucopia of poor countries right on their doorsteps.)

    In fact no country has ever asked for the immigration it got, the chants of 'diversity is strength' are always the coping mechanism after the fact. American has been trying to cope for 100 years, it hasn't become anymore antifragile or solidarity driven to me, it invented libertarianism.

  107. I got 760 Verbal 720 Math in 1981. I didn’t take any courses for it, but I did take practice tests a day or 2 before to get the hang of the types of questions.

    I’d also taken the PSAT before that. And Iowa tests throughout grade school. I always tested well. Not a great student but good at multiple choice tests.

    The thing is I only got 540 math the first time. So I took it again, didn’t gear up for the verbal and honed in on the math. They only, at that time at least, gave out your high score to colleges, I believe.

    I was fairly verbal. OK at math. I’d been better younger but slacked off in high school. I was good at stuff like calculating your earned run average or shooting percentage.

    • Replies: @Happy Tapir
    @hhsiii

    What do you do now(or did you do before retirement)? I’m just curious as to how they correlate with overall ability. Of course that we read Steve Sailer is a big indicator I suppose, lol!

    Replies: @hhsiii

    , @Jack D
    @hhsiii


    They only, at that time at least, gave out your high score to colleges, I believe.
     
    I don't think that was ever true, certainly not back then. I think in recent years they have sold some option where you can cancel a score after you get them but back in the day unless you cancelled on the same day they were going to report all of your scores.

    However, at some point (I don't know when) colleges started "superscoring" in order to boost their US News rankings and reported average SATs of admitted students. Others here have pointed out that the total # of 1600 scorers is lower than the # of 1600 scorers reported by the top 50 universities (so therefore the universities are lying). Maybe they ARE lying but one explanation is that their score reporting is based on superscoring. If you look the SAT twice and got 600V 800M one time and 800V 600M the 2nd, Harvard will put you down as a 1600 scorer although in the College Board's book you never broke 1400. The colleges do this for their benefit, not yours.

    Replies: @hhsiii

  108. OT: WuFlu less fatal than imagined. This isn’t an old headline, the lethality has been massively downgraded since … the last downgrade. Good thing we took away everyone’s dignity.
    https://jordanschachtel.substack.com/p/buried-lede-new-who-estimate-downgrades

  109. I have no doubt that someday I’m going to try and open this site and get a measage that says “Oops! The page you have requested doesn’t exist and the interweb has never heard of Steve Sailor or Unz.”

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @PSR

    As long as they don't finger Swedish CIA honeypots like Julian did, they may have a chance.

    Meanwhile, a good one from The UK & US alliance brings the UNSC into disrepute by banning Syria chemical weapons briefing from ex-OPCW head

    (When did international politics degenerate to a permanent heist movie complete with degenerate Euro-weasels eager to please? Oh, well!)


    Dag Hammarskjöld [likely removed from premises by western-linked interests], a former secretary general of the UN, described by US President John F. Kennedy as the “greatest statesman of our century”, addressed Cambridge University in 1958 and said:

    “The ultimate fight is the one between the human and the subhuman. We are on dangerous ground if we believe that any individual, any nation, or any ideology has a monopoly on rightness, liberty, and human dignity.”

    By that standard, the UK, the US, and their allies have drifted far into subhuman territory by denying a voice to the humans in this world who speak up above the storm of lies to defend justice, liberty, and universal dignity because they believe in that tiny spark of integrity that defines courage at a time when speaking truth to power is a perilous undertaking.
     
  110. @John Regan
    @Thoughts

    You may well be right at least in part, but this is in itself a problem if so. Because what passes for the country's elite is recruited from the Ivy Leagues. Whether the education is better or not, the networking is the important bit.

    Heritage Americans opting out of that means that they get to have even less of a moderating influence on the trainwreck their country is rapidly becoming.

    Replies: @Thoughts, @bomag

    …even less of a moderating influence on the trainwreck their country is rapidly becoming.

    Is there an upside to the Asian surge into colleges? Are we getting better science, etc.?

    There seems to be plenty of decline going around: auto quality seemed to peak in the mid-aughts; along with Asians, the academy has been taken over by women and Blacks, with less confidence in such credentials; dams failing in California; etc.

  111. When falls of Autumn start to leave—
    Or leaves of Autumn fall,
    Be glad if you have not dug up
    The spider lily’s ball.

    The spider lily is to Fall
    As daffodil to Spring;
    My heart says of the spider lil’:
    “It makes my string go zing!”.

    • Replies: @the one they call Desanex
    @the one they call Desanex

    Who’d dig the spider lily’s ball
    Has got to be a nut,
    A-dangle with his brother ball
    Beneath a bowser’s butt!

    Title: The Spider Lily’s Ball

  112. @Jack D
    @El Dato

    Even though she makes a fortune already, she is probably right to some extent, but the explanation has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the fact that she is built like a linebacker while many of her white counterparts are slim and attractive young women. If you are marketing some fashion product that is supposed to appeal to young women, it's just going to be very hard to make Serena your spokesmodel.

    This is bloody obvious but as Steve has observed, much of modern life consists of not noticing (or pretending not to notice) the obvious. In the modern world, "racism" is the all purpose explanation for everything bad that happens as much as "the devil" was to Medieval peasants.

    Replies: @black sea, @William Badwhite

    and everything to do with the fact that she is built like a linebacker

    Her horrible personality likely contributes as well (though for a period we’d see her on magazines etc referred to as beautiful. By which they must have meant beautiful like Michelle O – meaning manly and hideous). Yelling at referees, throwing tantrums, blaming everything on “racism”.

    Here is true beauty:

    • LOL: Anonymous Jew
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @William Badwhite

    Some time ago, "The Irish Savant" published an even more hideous photo of Serena which accentuated her King Kong muscles!

  113. @Twinkie
    As usual, no mention of the fact that the demographic composition of “Asian” in America has changed substantially over time - hint: fewer children of lower middle class East Asians and more children of highly educated South Asians.

    Since 1980, the number of Indians in America has increased 15 fold from 360,000 to 5,400,000 today. They now account for 20-25% of all Asians in America. And astoundingly, over 70% have college degrees and over 40% have graduate degrees, even outpacing all other Asian groups greatly.

    Any analysis that leaves out this transformation is missing a big chunk of the story on “Asian supremacy” in America.

    I might also add that, contrary to earlier predictions of Mr. Sailer, Indians display the lowest assimilation index among major Asian immigrant groups in America and they lean Democratic more than any other major Asian group (the most GOP-leaning are Filipinos and Koreans, the latter of which has declined in number in the U.S.).

    Replies: @A British Indian, @Anonymous Jew, @Anonymous

    I was struck by the similarities between Indians and (what I’ve read of) early Jewish immigrants from my experience working and socializing with Indians in the Bay Area: insular, clannish, high achieving and very very left (whatever qualifies as left by the standards of the day – my grandparents were socialist and openly racist!). Like Jews, some end up drinking a little too much of their own Kool-Aid; one of our Indian, Tesla driving PhD friends married a White guy and now, in her mid-40s, will not be having any children. I don’t recall meeting a single Indian conservative in my years there, though I did meet White and Chinese conservatives.

    *I say early Jews because modern Jews are marrying out and dumbing down. Trust me, our Jew gold is dwindling.

  114. @Altai
    OT:
    Another arms depot explosion.

    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1313815223275487232

    This one near Moscow, apparently 10 villages are being evacuated.

    https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1313830750928633865

    Maybe they were trying to ramp up production and storage given the situation in caucuses? Maybe covid made full man power and full safety regs weren't available? Maybe a little of both? Maybe sabotage?

    If the war was started with Turkish encouragement of Azerbaijan as well as Western governments to cause more headaches for Russia, maybe the arms depot is just another part of making it more difficult for them.

    Moon of Alabama is saying the newly appointed heads of the CIA and MI6 are both old hands with regards to Turkey and speak Turkish fluently.


    In our last piece on the war we pointed to U.S. plans to 'overextend Russia' by creating trouble in the Caucasus just as it is now happening. Fort Russ notes:

    The current director of the CIA, Gina Haspel, was doing field assignments in Turkey in the early stages of her career, she reportedly speaks Turkish, and she has history of serving as a station chief in Baku, Azerbaijan, in the late 1990s. It is, therefore, presumable that she still has connections with the local government and business elites.

    The current Chief of the MI6, Richard Moore, also has history of working in Turkey — he was performing tasks for the British intelligence there in the late 1980s and the early 1990s. Moore is fluent in Turkish and he also served as the British Ambassador to Turkey from 2014 to 2017.

    The intelligence chiefs of the two most powerful countries in the Anglosphere are turkologists with connections in Turkey and Azerbaijan. It would be reasonable to assume that a regional conflict of such magnitude happening now, on their watch, is far from being a mere coincidence.

    Before President Trump stopped the program the CIA had used the Azerbaijani Silk Way Airlines in more than 350 flights to bring weapons from Bulgaria to Turkey to then hand them to 'Syrian rebels'. Baku, the capital of Azerbaijan, is not only a CIA station but also a Mossad center for waging its silent war against Iran.
     

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jack D

    Russians always think sabotage when the real explanation is drunkenness. Some ammunition dump in Ryazan (a dump within a dump) is not important enough for Americans to want to sabotage it.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jack D

    "Russians always think sabotage ..."

    To be fair, you always think (or at least always say) incompetence.


    (It could even be both - the Long Range Desert Group used to quietly set fire to Italian petrol dumps and hear later that the guards had been court martialled for careless smoking)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Desert_Group

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  115. @hhsiii
    I got 760 Verbal 720 Math in 1981. I didn't take any courses for it, but I did take practice tests a day or 2 before to get the hang of the types of questions.

    I'd also taken the PSAT before that. And Iowa tests throughout grade school. I always tested well. Not a great student but good at multiple choice tests.

    The thing is I only got 540 math the first time. So I took it again, didn't gear up for the verbal and honed in on the math. They only, at that time at least, gave out your high score to colleges, I believe.

    I was fairly verbal. OK at math. I'd been better younger but slacked off in high school. I was good at stuff like calculating your earned run average or shooting percentage.

    Replies: @Happy Tapir, @Jack D

    What do you do now(or did you do before retirement)? I’m just curious as to how they correlate with overall ability. Of course that we read Steve Sailer is a big indicator I suppose, lol!

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @Happy Tapir

    Bankruptcy lawyer. The fish are flopping in the boat now.

  116. @black sea
    @Jack D

    If she is built like a linebacker, but supplements her tennis income with marketing gigs aimed at young women, then there is no reason to believe that she is "undervalued" for this work. If she thinks her endorsements should earn her more, she can try her luck with a new agent.

    I assume she makes the same prize money for winning a tournament as any of the other competitors. If so, then her complaints are childish and sulking (not a surprise). It's a shame for all involved that she she isn't as lovely as Anna Kournikova, though Kournikova wasn't nearly so good a tennis player.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Redman

    I totally agree with you, but in mainstream (liberal) circles it is common to believe that women are “underpaid” simply because they make on average 70% of what men make, without trying to account for differences in danger, skills, etc. These same people would like female basketball players to earn the same as NBA stars despite the fact that the audience sizes are vastly different. In other words, economics is not their strong suit.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Jack D

    70% is, it is well known, a joke ....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcDrE5YvqTs

    , @Stan d Mute
    @Jack D


    it is common to believe that women are “underpaid” simply because they make on average 70% of what men make, without trying to account for differences in danger, skills, etc.
     
    Or arguably more importantly, revenue generated as in the case of athletes, entertainers, account managers, direct sales, professional services, etc.

    Are women paid more, less, or the same as men relative to the revenues that they generate for the organization?
  117. @Jack D
    @eD

    Cheating simply cannot be the full explanation, any more than vote fraud is the full explanation for why Democrats get more votes in big cities. Both exist to some extent, but are they really widespread enough to swing the numbers so drastically? Where is the proof? You can't just say "they're cheating" without any evidence. When S. Asians win the National Spelling Bee year after year, are they cheating? When these 6 guys tied with China to win the International Math Olympiad, were they all cheating except for the 1 white guy?

    https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2019/july/images/math-olympiad-2019-900x600-min.jpg

    You are letting white people off far too easy if you attribute Asian high scores 100% to cheating. There's a lot more to it than that. There may be some incidents of actual Asian test fraud (e.g. getting the answers in advance) but the vast majority of Asian "cheating" is not cheating at all. Is attending a cram school after school instead of going home to play video games "cheating"? Is becoming fluent with all of the problem types found on the SAT cheating? Memorizing all sorts of math facts and shortcut problem solving methods? Studying the dictionary to learn the definitions of obscure words? You could say that Asians are nerds who have no life and that white kids are too busy playing on the football team to do that much studying, but that's something different than cheating.

    Replies: @Peter Johnson, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Calvin Hobbes

    To be fair, Steve offered it as a conjecture of part of the scores. The smartest kids don’t need to cheat. It’s the kids who are not doing as well but who also worry about that who will cheat. And that would mean mostly Asians, as most of the subcultures demand success.

    Ask any college professor about honor code violations and the vast majority of plagiarism cases, if they’re being honest, come from Asian students. The big caveat is in my experience they aren’t American citizens but foreign students so such cheating may not extend to those here permanently.

  118. Think of the depravity of anyone saying:

    “AMERICA NEEDS ASIAN LEADERSHIP.”

    Stop and think about the malevolence behind the push to fill our universities with Asians with the obvious goal of them eventually filling leadership positions throughout society.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous

    I don't know, I kinda think they might be better than our current Jewish overlords, at least the East Asians. Indians are too much like Jews, scheming, chest-thumping, clannish, left wing...only not as bright. America does not need or want to become the next India. The most left-wing political nuts in my area are all Indian.

    East Asians aren't likely to cook up BS like "Critical Race Theory" or put up with crap from blacks, or go into endless wars for Israel. But they have the same problem as the Germans, hard working, peaceful, upwardly mobile, mostly law-abiding, but not very interested in politics or leadership. The smart ones all prefer to go into private industries, leaving politics to the dumb Kool-Aid drinkers like Ted Lieu, Mazie Hirono or Tammy Duckworth.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  119. Come on, folks, let’s see if we can devise some test questions that will allow blacks and Latinos to score higher than whites and Asians. Sailer has thrown down the challenge.

    I saw such jokes back in the 80s via fax machine, when it didn’t get anyone canceled to recognize stereotypes…

  120. @hhsiii
    I got 760 Verbal 720 Math in 1981. I didn't take any courses for it, but I did take practice tests a day or 2 before to get the hang of the types of questions.

    I'd also taken the PSAT before that. And Iowa tests throughout grade school. I always tested well. Not a great student but good at multiple choice tests.

    The thing is I only got 540 math the first time. So I took it again, didn't gear up for the verbal and honed in on the math. They only, at that time at least, gave out your high score to colleges, I believe.

    I was fairly verbal. OK at math. I'd been better younger but slacked off in high school. I was good at stuff like calculating your earned run average or shooting percentage.

    Replies: @Happy Tapir, @Jack D

    They only, at that time at least, gave out your high score to colleges, I believe.

    I don’t think that was ever true, certainly not back then. I think in recent years they have sold some option where you can cancel a score after you get them but back in the day unless you cancelled on the same day they were going to report all of your scores.

    However, at some point (I don’t know when) colleges started “superscoring” in order to boost their US News rankings and reported average SATs of admitted students. Others here have pointed out that the total # of 1600 scorers is lower than the # of 1600 scorers reported by the top 50 universities (so therefore the universities are lying). Maybe they ARE lying but one explanation is that their score reporting is based on superscoring. If you look the SAT twice and got 600V 800M one time and 800V 600M the 2nd, Harvard will put you down as a 1600 scorer although in the College Board’s book you never broke 1400. The colleges do this for their benefit, not yours.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @Jack D

    That’s what I recall, but 40 years ago. Yes, they report your score as is. But once you took second test I think that’s what you had.

    But you may be right. Maybe just what the university put down.

    I’d probably average my math scores, then dock it 10%. 720 math was the 2nd highest score at Choate, to a Japanese tennis player named Hajime. I scored higher than an honorary general in the Thai army named Doon. But I wasn’t really very good at math. Multiple choice changes up the test result.

    Replies: @Jack D

  121. @Jack D
    @Altai

    Russians always think sabotage when the real explanation is drunkenness. Some ammunition dump in Ryazan (a dump within a dump) is not important enough for Americans to want to sabotage it.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “Russians always think sabotage …”

    To be fair, you always think (or at least always say) incompetence.

    (It could even be both – the Long Range Desert Group used to quietly set fire to Italian petrol dumps and hear later that the guards had been court martialled for careless smoking)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Desert_Group

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Apologies, it wasn't the LRDG, it was this lot.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popski%27s_Private_Army

  122. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jack D

    "Russians always think sabotage ..."

    To be fair, you always think (or at least always say) incompetence.


    (It could even be both - the Long Range Desert Group used to quietly set fire to Italian petrol dumps and hear later that the guards had been court martialled for careless smoking)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Desert_Group

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Apologies, it wasn’t the LRDG, it was this lot.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popski%27s_Private_Army

  123. @Daniel Chieh
    @Bill P

    Cheap calories/obesity and its consequences have been a disaster for humanity.

    https://www.steadyhealth.com/topics/obesity-lowers-intelligence


    The latest study that lasted for five years and included 2,200 adults finds a link between obesity and the decline in a person's cognitive functions. Participants belonged to an age group raging from 32 to 62. They needed to take four mental ability tests before the study started and then again five years later.

    The tests revealed that people with a Body Mass Index (BMI) of 20 or less could recall 56 % of words in a vocabulary test, while the obese with a BMI of 30 or higher, could remember only 44 %.

    Those with higher MBI (people with more weight) had cognitive decline five years later when their recall had fallen to 37.5 % while the people with normal weights retained their recall timing.
     
    Other studies found this applies toward childhood as well.

    Replies: @Farenheit, @Marty

    My sense is that you and Bill must be right. On the other hand, in high school in the ‘70’s I only knew one person who clearly qualified as obese, and he scored 790 SAT-M and went to RPI.

  124. I’m surprised that Steve didn’t mention the most obvious consideration here, namely that East Asians have, on average, higher IQs than whites—Richard Lynn’s estimates tend to find, roughly speaking, European countries having mean IQs of around 100, compared to around 105 for East Asian ones. That’s ~1/3 of a standard deviation, which is quite substantial. That doesn’t explain why there’s been such a big change over the past ~20 years, but it seems like it would be highly relevant.

    Consequently, I find Steve’s recurring enthusiasm/respect for Tiger Parenting/test preparation unconvincing. As the late Judith Rich Harris, Steven Pinker and Robert Plomin have all knowledgeably and clearly explained, children are not blank slates to be filled in any which way by the whims of their parents. Their genetic inheritances play a key role in determining their abilities, interests and personalities, a role which tends to increase as they age. So my guess is that the higher on average intelligence and conscientiousness which East Asians likely inherit explains (especially with age) much more of their success than any cultural/environmental factors do.

    To take a concrete example, consider two books on parenting which Steve reviewed about a decade ago, Professor Amy Chua’s Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother and Professor Bryan Caplan’s Selfish Reasons to Have More Kids. Professor Chua’s tiger parented children are, naturally, doing very well, with one recently obtaining a SCOTUS clerkship with Justice Kavanaugh. Yet Professor Caplan recently reported that his (twin) eldest sons are now applying to college with 10 5s on AP tests each. (For context, I think that’s above the average these days at Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant, or even among accepted applicants at MIT or Harvard.) So his laissez-faire parenting style seems to be working out reasonably well, while also (as he argued in his book) giving him enough time/energy to raise more kids than most other academics/white collar professionals these days.

    • Replies: @jon
    @Stolen Valor Detective


    Professor Caplan ... his laissez-faire parenting style
     
    Caplan has 4 kids and he is homeschooling all of them. That is hardly laissez-faire. You have to remember, Caplan lies about everything - most of his writing is just gaslighting the goyim. Occasionally, he lets the mask slip. Take his principled stand on open borders. He has all kinds of economic and social justice arguments for it. But all he really cares about is the fact that, since Jews will always be a small minority in any country outside of Israel, it's better for Jews if everyone else is a minority too.
    https://www.econlib.org/archives/2015/10/they_scare_me.html
  125. @Jack D
    @black sea

    I totally agree with you, but in mainstream (liberal) circles it is common to believe that women are "underpaid" simply because they make on average 70% of what men make, without trying to account for differences in danger, skills, etc. These same people would like female basketball players to earn the same as NBA stars despite the fact that the audience sizes are vastly different. In other words, economics is not their strong suit.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Stan d Mute

    70% is, it is well known, a joke ….

  126. Anon[120] • Disclaimer says:

    Asian dominance is overwhelmingly due to the highly selected nature of Asian immigration. And the so called exceptions — the poor ones who are the kids of laborers and end up at Harvard — they turn out to be selected too! The parents are usually college educated elites in the home country who couldn’t get work in the US due to credentialism and so they now work as taxi drivers. Import elites, you get elite performance. What is the mystery?

  127. And this counts only the Asians who were dumb enough to admit they were Asian!

  128. @Anon7
    Where did this whole hard-working Asian - especially Chinese - intelligence threat come from? Boy, this one is just coming at us out of the blue...

    Of course there was a large Chinese population... --it is the case with every town and city on the Pacific coast. They are a harmless race when white men either let them alone or treat them no worse than dogs; in fact they are almost entirely harmless anyhow, for they seldom think of resenting the vilest insults or the cruelest injuries. They are quiet, peaceable, tractable, free from drunkenness, and they are as industrious as the day is long. A disorderly Chinaman is rare, and a lazy one does not exist. So long as a Chinaman has strength to use his hands he needs no support from anybody; white men often complain of want of work, but a Chinaman offers no such complaint; he always manages to find something to do...

    There are seventy thousand (and possibly one hundred thousand) Chinamen on the Pacific coast. There were about a thousand in Virginia [California]. They were penned into a "Chinese quarter"--a thing which they do not particularly object to, as they are fond of herding together... Chinamen make good house servants, being quick, obedient, patient, quick to learn and tirelessly industrious. They do not need to be taught a thing twice, as a general thing. They are imitative. If a Chinaman were to see his master break up a centre table, in a passion, and kindle a fire with it, that Chinaman would be likely to resort to the furniture for fuel forever afterward.

    All Chinamen can read, write and cipher with easy facility--pity but all our petted voters could. In California they rent little patches of ground and do a deal of gardening. They will raise surprising crops of vegetables on a sand pile. They waste nothing. What is rubbish to a Christian, a Chinaman carefully preserves and makes useful in one way or another. He gathers up all the old oyster and sardine cans that white people throw away, and procures marketable tin and solder from them by melting...

    They are a kindly disposed, well-meaning race, and are respected and well treated by the upper classes, all over the Pacific coast. No Californian gentleman or lady ever abuses or oppresses a Chinaman, under any circumstances, an explanation that seems to be much needed in the East. Only the scum of the population do it--they and their children; they, and, naturally and consistently, the policemen and politicians, likewise, for these are the dust-licking pimps and slaves of the scum, there as well as elsewhere in America.

    Roughing It, Mark Twain, published 1872.
     

    Replies: @A British Indian, @Dan Hayes, @Jack D, @Muggles, @Anon

    I don’t know about Jews. He wasn’t rabidly anti Semitic like some here, but his depictions of Jews in the area of Palestine (then) in Innocents Abroad especially in Jerusalem are quite harsh.

    Of course nearly all foreigners were not described very positively by Twain and there were only a few Jews in Jerusalem at that time. His account of Rome at the time is very appalling.

    As for blacks, he was probably less racist than most of his era, and was a vocal and visible opponent of King Leopold of Belgium’s “Free Congo” personally owned country.

    American Indians were still killing many white miners and pioneers during his time in the West. That will take the shine off of your political correctness in a hurry. He also greatly ridiculed Mormons in Utah, who were all 100% white. The Mountain Meadows wagon train massacre ordered by Joseph Smith (so it is said, though denied by Mormons) also played a part in Twain’s evaluation of them.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Muggles


    I don’t know about Jews. He wasn’t rabidly anti Semitic like some here, but his depictions of Jews in the area of Palestine (then) in Innocents Abroad especially in Jerusalem are quite harsh.
     
    Twain was a philosemite and his essay on Jews is one of the high points of philosemitic literature.
    , @Prester John
    @Muggles

    He wasn't crazy about Germans either. At least not their language. Twain's "The Awful German Language" is a hoot!

    , @Jack D
    @Muggles

    He also wrote some very complimentary things about the Jews that were along the lines of the above comment about the Chinese - that they were hard working, not public charges or drunkards, etc. Twain's son-in-law, Gabrilowitsch, of whom he was very fond, was Jewish. He was a very gifted pianist and conductor and the founding director of the Detroit Symphony Orchestra (and Twain's daughter was a singer).

    Their daughter Nina, the last known lineal descendant of Mark Twain*, died at age 56 in 1966, only 4 years after her mother. She had been a heavy drinker, and bottles of pills and alcohol were found in her room. Her death was ruled a suicide.

    *This woman claims to be her daughter but on what appears to be very scant evidence:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/06/02/mark-twain-south-carolina-susan-bailey/9864453/

  129. @Muggles
    @Anon7

    I don't know about Jews. He wasn't rabidly anti Semitic like some here, but his depictions of Jews in the area of Palestine (then) in Innocents Abroad especially in Jerusalem are quite harsh.

    Of course nearly all foreigners were not described very positively by Twain and there were only a few Jews in Jerusalem at that time. His account of Rome at the time is very appalling.

    As for blacks, he was probably less racist than most of his era, and was a vocal and visible opponent of King Leopold of Belgium's "Free Congo" personally owned country.

    American Indians were still killing many white miners and pioneers during his time in the West. That will take the shine off of your political correctness in a hurry. He also greatly ridiculed Mormons in Utah, who were all 100% white. The Mountain Meadows wagon train massacre ordered by Joseph Smith (so it is said, though denied by Mormons) also played a part in Twain's evaluation of them.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Prester John, @Jack D

    I don’t know about Jews. He wasn’t rabidly anti Semitic like some here, but his depictions of Jews in the area of Palestine (then) in Innocents Abroad especially in Jerusalem are quite harsh.

    Twain was a philosemite and his essay on Jews is one of the high points of philosemitic literature.

  130. Anonymous[268] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    As usual, no mention of the fact that the demographic composition of “Asian” in America has changed substantially over time - hint: fewer children of lower middle class East Asians and more children of highly educated South Asians.

    Since 1980, the number of Indians in America has increased 15 fold from 360,000 to 5,400,000 today. They now account for 20-25% of all Asians in America. And astoundingly, over 70% have college degrees and over 40% have graduate degrees, even outpacing all other Asian groups greatly.

    Any analysis that leaves out this transformation is missing a big chunk of the story on “Asian supremacy” in America.

    I might also add that, contrary to earlier predictions of Mr. Sailer, Indians display the lowest assimilation index among major Asian immigrant groups in America and they lean Democratic more than any other major Asian group (the most GOP-leaning are Filipinos and Koreans, the latter of which has declined in number in the U.S.).

    Replies: @A British Indian, @Anonymous Jew, @Anonymous

    Mark my words:

    Their numbers will multiply 15 fold in the next 40 years, and for the 40 years after at that. And it wouldn’t surprise me if that geometric ratio persists indefinitely.

    Mark my words.

    Remember you read it here, October 7 2020.

    There’s no other fact that I’m so *certain* of – not one scintilla of a shadow of a ghost of a doubt – or any other fact of such import to Americans.

    Fat lot of good it will do me too. I’ll probably be put on ‘delay’ anyway, and the comment will be ignored.

  131. Given the state of affairs these days, it’s only appropriate that “Diversity Inclusion Equity” reduces rather neatly to the acronym “DIE.”

  132. @Jack D
    @eD

    Cheating simply cannot be the full explanation, any more than vote fraud is the full explanation for why Democrats get more votes in big cities. Both exist to some extent, but are they really widespread enough to swing the numbers so drastically? Where is the proof? You can't just say "they're cheating" without any evidence. When S. Asians win the National Spelling Bee year after year, are they cheating? When these 6 guys tied with China to win the International Math Olympiad, were they all cheating except for the 1 white guy?

    https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2019/july/images/math-olympiad-2019-900x600-min.jpg

    You are letting white people off far too easy if you attribute Asian high scores 100% to cheating. There's a lot more to it than that. There may be some incidents of actual Asian test fraud (e.g. getting the answers in advance) but the vast majority of Asian "cheating" is not cheating at all. Is attending a cram school after school instead of going home to play video games "cheating"? Is becoming fluent with all of the problem types found on the SAT cheating? Memorizing all sorts of math facts and shortcut problem solving methods? Studying the dictionary to learn the definitions of obscure words? You could say that Asians are nerds who have no life and that white kids are too busy playing on the football team to do that much studying, but that's something different than cheating.

    Replies: @Peter Johnson, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Calvin Hobbes

  133. @Muggles
    @Anon7

    I don't know about Jews. He wasn't rabidly anti Semitic like some here, but his depictions of Jews in the area of Palestine (then) in Innocents Abroad especially in Jerusalem are quite harsh.

    Of course nearly all foreigners were not described very positively by Twain and there were only a few Jews in Jerusalem at that time. His account of Rome at the time is very appalling.

    As for blacks, he was probably less racist than most of his era, and was a vocal and visible opponent of King Leopold of Belgium's "Free Congo" personally owned country.

    American Indians were still killing many white miners and pioneers during his time in the West. That will take the shine off of your political correctness in a hurry. He also greatly ridiculed Mormons in Utah, who were all 100% white. The Mountain Meadows wagon train massacre ordered by Joseph Smith (so it is said, though denied by Mormons) also played a part in Twain's evaluation of them.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Prester John, @Jack D

    He wasn’t crazy about Germans either. At least not their language. Twain’s “The Awful German Language” is a hoot!

  134. Sort-of OT: a superintendent in Evanston wants black and Hispanic students to be able to come to class and white and Asian students to stay home. The Harrison Bergeron approach, basically. But the most telling line in the piece is the inevitable:

    Dr. Horton frames the issue as addressing an achievement gap that falls along racial lines in his district.

    We’ll never know anything about testing gaps, because we don’t want to know.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/can-school-be-antiracist-a-new-superintendent-in-evanston-ill-has-a-plan-11601982001?st=79nb67se706z02c

    • Replies: @res
    @keypusher


    Sort-of OT: a superintendent in Evanston wants black and Hispanic students to be able to come to class and white and Asian students to stay home. The Harrison Bergeron approach, basically.
     
    It would be hilarious if that ended up increasing the gaps instead.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @OilcanFloyd
    @keypusher


    Sort-of OT: a superintendent in Evanston wants black and Hispanic students to be able to come to class and white and Asian students to stay home. The Harrison Bergeron approach, basically. But the most telling line in the piece is the inevitable:
     
    My guess is that the teachers weren't consulted.
  135. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Nick Diaz

    Replace the word “white” with “Jewish” in Nick Diaz’s screed and it actually makes him sound quite intelligent.

    Replies: @Prester John

    Has TD assumed a new form?

  136. Clown world strikes again.

    Charges Filed Against Trans Elections Judge 'Erika' Bickford in Allentown, Pennsylvania — Including Tampering with Ballots. https://t.co/KH4oqTbDFd— Kambree (@KamVTV) October 6, 2020

  137. @Muggles
    @Anon7

    I don't know about Jews. He wasn't rabidly anti Semitic like some here, but his depictions of Jews in the area of Palestine (then) in Innocents Abroad especially in Jerusalem are quite harsh.

    Of course nearly all foreigners were not described very positively by Twain and there were only a few Jews in Jerusalem at that time. His account of Rome at the time is very appalling.

    As for blacks, he was probably less racist than most of his era, and was a vocal and visible opponent of King Leopold of Belgium's "Free Congo" personally owned country.

    American Indians were still killing many white miners and pioneers during his time in the West. That will take the shine off of your political correctness in a hurry. He also greatly ridiculed Mormons in Utah, who were all 100% white. The Mountain Meadows wagon train massacre ordered by Joseph Smith (so it is said, though denied by Mormons) also played a part in Twain's evaluation of them.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Prester John, @Jack D

    He also wrote some very complimentary things about the Jews that were along the lines of the above comment about the Chinese – that they were hard working, not public charges or drunkards, etc. Twain’s son-in-law, Gabrilowitsch, of whom he was very fond, was Jewish. He was a very gifted pianist and conductor and the founding director of the Detroit Symphony Orchestra (and Twain’s daughter was a singer).

    Their daughter Nina, the last known lineal descendant of Mark Twain*, died at age 56 in 1966, only 4 years after her mother. She had been a heavy drinker, and bottles of pills and alcohol were found in her room. Her death was ruled a suicide.

    *This woman claims to be her daughter but on what appears to be very scant evidence:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/06/02/mark-twain-south-carolina-susan-bailey/9864453/

  138. @Achmed E. Newman
    About the graph for a minute:

    The unz.com blogger Audacious Epigone is very good about keeping the colors straight. I've thanked him for this a couple of times, and the Unsilenced Science people you got your graph from deserve kudos. It's not just about showing some guts and bucking the PC, but this makes it a lot easier to peruse the graph - no going back and forth to the legend "light purple means what, now?"

    (Commenter Res, in particular:) I gotta say that this is a graph that doesn't need to have the y-axis start at 0, like most should. I think that's the case for most, as often the range is made so small that small differences are made to seem like the end of the world. However, in this case, what would a 0 SAT score mean? What do you get if you just put your name on the paper, or your name and all (a)s for answers?

    That was another well written and interesting column. I'll write another comment in a bit.

    Replies: @res

    (Commenter Res, in particular:) I gotta say that this is a graph that doesn’t need to have the y-axis start at 0, like most should. I think that’s the case for most, as often the range is made so small that small differences are made to seem like the end of the world. However, in this case, what would a 0 SAT score mean? What do you get if you just put your name on the paper, or your name and all (a)s for answers?

    Agreed. The lowest possible combined score is 400 (200 + 200). The choice for numerical range is odd, but perhaps makes more sense if you think of SAT score as roughly 10x IQ. Which pre-1995 I think was in the ballpark.

    The original idea was that the subtests had mean 500 and SD 100. The 1995 recentering targeted a subtest SD of 110.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT

    This paper describes the 1995 recentering in detail and has a a discussion of why they changed the SD (which I don’t quite understand) on page 10.
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/j.2333-8504.2002.tb01871.x

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  139. @Gordo
    OT:

    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1313583306932465664

    Shades of Maggie in 1979?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhXlAGmUitU

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @anon

    That was in the ballpark, but not near verbatim. Biden’s crony plagiarism has gotten a lot better, but it’s only been since he’s come down with the acute case of CRS.*

    .

    * Can’t Remember Shit.

  140. @JimB
    Hm, a score of 1400 ain't what it used to be.

    Replies: @res

    The 1995 recentering increased scores 60-70 points in that part of the range (even more elsewhere!).
    https://web.archive.org/web/20120901210606/http://research.collegeboard.org/programs/sat/data/equivalence/sat-composites

    • Replies: @JimB
    @res


    The 1995 recentering increased scores 60-70 points in that part of the range (even more elsewhere!).
     
    It’s not just the points. 1400 used to indicate the low cutoff for giftedness. Now it plainly doesn’t.

    Replies: @res

  141. @William Badwhite
    @Jack D


    and everything to do with the fact that she is built like a linebacker
     
    Her horrible personality likely contributes as well (though for a period we'd see her on magazines etc referred to as beautiful. By which they must have meant beautiful like Michelle O - meaning manly and hideous). Yelling at referees, throwing tantrums, blaming everything on "racism".

    Here is true beauty:

    https://www.graphic.com.gh/images/2018/sept/10/serena-williams-us-open.jpg

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    Some time ago, “The Irish Savant” published an even more hideous photo of Serena which accentuated her King Kong muscles!

  142. anonymous[200] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Johnson
    It is quite unclear how this new important reality will impact selection criteria across academia and elsewhere:

    a substantial and fast-growing "minority" group which outperforms the white "majority."

    Here the word "minority" is used in its original meaning rather than the new common meaning of "under-performing group."

    Will minority Asian outperformance increase or decrease the degree of affirmative action bias? It hurts Asians most of all -- substantially worse impact that on whites since there are still more high-performing Asian children in low-income households. The academic performance gap between blacks and Asians is extreme!

    Replies: @martin_2, @anonymous

    I know of one Ivy League school that is pushing hard to hire black/hispanic STEM faculty and, yes, the reality is that whites and asians won’t be considered. Not sure if it applies only to men. You are pretty much screwed if you are a white or asian postdoc looking for an academic position for the next few years. I’m sure this is happening to some degree at all the top selective schools.

    Would be interesting if it gets bad enough to see how it affects asian immigration. Malaysia discriminates against Chinese and Indians and it’s caused a large brain drain. Of course, if one can dominate demographically…

  143. @Happy Tapir
    @HammerJack

    Chinese don’t seem interested in changing the culture of or controlling the places they emigrate to. For instance, most of the economy of the Philippines and Indonesia is controlled by ethnic Chinese, but one would never infer this from outward signs. See World on Fire by Amy chua for a good summary of their economic dominance. Chinese want to toil in private and be left alone. They seem unconcerned with messianic causes like the Middle East.

    I went to a sixty dollar buffet in Vegas a few years ago and I was struck by how overwhelmingly Chinese the clientele was. West coast Chinese must already be impressively loaded.

    Replies: @Monsieur le Baron, @anon

    Tweeted this at Steve, but the median Chinese wealth is now 5x the median white’s. How about that white privilege?

    • Thanks: polistra
  144. @Calvin Hobbes
    From Steve’s article:

    Even more strikingly, the gap between the mean scores of Asians and whites has grown from only 6 points in 2000 to 113 in 2020. The standard deviation is around 210. So the median Asian in 2020 would score about the 70th percentile among whites.
     
    That 210 SD struck me as fishy. I thought the SD was supposed to be about 100 on each part and that the correlation between parts was about 0.6. Using those numbers to calculate the SD for the total would give 179 SD for the total.

    But here:

    https://blog.prepscholar.com/sat-standard-deviation

    it says the SD for the total is 211, 105 SD for ERW, 117 SD for Math

    which implies a correlation of 0.806 between ERB and Math. That’s a pretty high correlation. There’s a picture here (See Figure 3) of what that looks like:

    http://www.bioline.org.br/pdf?mm12018

    Replies: @res

    SD on the subtests was retargeted to 110 in the 1995 recentering.

    Table A.4 of
    https://www.ets.org/Media/Research/pdf/RR-99-02-Dorans.pdf
    gives a correlation of 0.71 for SAT math and verbal.

    The SAT M and V subtest scores correlated with the combined score 0.93 and 0.92 respectively.

    • Replies: @Calvin Hobbes
    @res


    Table A.4 of
    https://www.ets.org/Media/Research/pdf/RR-99-02-Dorans.pdf
    gives a correlation of 0.71 for SAT math and verbal.
     
    Thanks. That’s a nice reference source. But it’s from 1999. From:

    SD for the total is 211, 105 SD for ERW, 117 SD for Math

    one can calculate the 2020 correlation between ERW and Math to be 0.806.

    The correlation went way up because of more (ERW, MATH) pairs of high scores (lots of Asians) and more (ERW, MATH) pairs of low scores (lots more dummies taking the SAT).

    Replies: @res

  145. @black sea
    @Jack D

    If she is built like a linebacker, but supplements her tennis income with marketing gigs aimed at young women, then there is no reason to believe that she is "undervalued" for this work. If she thinks her endorsements should earn her more, she can try her luck with a new agent.

    I assume she makes the same prize money for winning a tournament as any of the other competitors. If so, then her complaints are childish and sulking (not a surprise). It's a shame for all involved that she she isn't as lovely as Anna Kournikova, though Kournikova wasn't nearly so good a tennis player.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Redman

    Her sister was far more attractive. Taller and slender.

  146. @the one they call Desanex
    When falls of Autumn start to leave—
    Or leaves of Autumn fall,
    Be glad if you have not dug up
    The spider lily’s ball.

    The spider lily is to Fall
    As daffodil to Spring;
    My heart says of the spider lil’:
    “It makes my string go zing!”.

    Replies: @the one they call Desanex

    Who’d dig the spider lily’s ball
    Has got to be a nut,
    A-dangle with his brother ball
    Beneath a bowser’s butt!

    Title: The Spider Lily’s Ball

  147. @keypusher
    Sort-of OT: a superintendent in Evanston wants black and Hispanic students to be able to come to class and white and Asian students to stay home. The Harrison Bergeron approach, basically. But the most telling line in the piece is the inevitable:

    Dr. Horton frames the issue as addressing an achievement gap that falls along racial lines in his district.

    We'll never know anything about testing gaps, because we don't want to know.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/can-school-be-antiracist-a-new-superintendent-in-evanston-ill-has-a-plan-11601982001?st=79nb67se706z02c

    Replies: @res, @OilcanFloyd

    Sort-of OT: a superintendent in Evanston wants black and Hispanic students to be able to come to class and white and Asian students to stay home. The Harrison Bergeron approach, basically.

    It would be hilarious if that ended up increasing the gaps instead.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @res

    The one white guy on the US Math Olympiad team is home schooled.

    But realistically, it's not going to make a difference. They could send the white and Asian kids to school and leave the blacks home or vice versa and it's just not going to move the needle. They could teach the classes in Swahili or in rhyming rap and it wouldn't move the needle (those Asian kids would be rapping like crazy in no time). No intervention that occurs later than 9 months before birth has been shown to move the needle.

  148. @Gordo
    OT:

    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1313583306932465664

    Shades of Maggie in 1979?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhXlAGmUitU

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @anon

    Joe Biden
    As president, I will embrace:

    His inner Maurice Chevalier.

  149. Anon[176] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon7
    Where did this whole hard-working Asian - especially Chinese - intelligence threat come from? Boy, this one is just coming at us out of the blue...

    Of course there was a large Chinese population... --it is the case with every town and city on the Pacific coast. They are a harmless race when white men either let them alone or treat them no worse than dogs; in fact they are almost entirely harmless anyhow, for they seldom think of resenting the vilest insults or the cruelest injuries. They are quiet, peaceable, tractable, free from drunkenness, and they are as industrious as the day is long. A disorderly Chinaman is rare, and a lazy one does not exist. So long as a Chinaman has strength to use his hands he needs no support from anybody; white men often complain of want of work, but a Chinaman offers no such complaint; he always manages to find something to do...

    There are seventy thousand (and possibly one hundred thousand) Chinamen on the Pacific coast. There were about a thousand in Virginia [California]. They were penned into a "Chinese quarter"--a thing which they do not particularly object to, as they are fond of herding together... Chinamen make good house servants, being quick, obedient, patient, quick to learn and tirelessly industrious. They do not need to be taught a thing twice, as a general thing. They are imitative. If a Chinaman were to see his master break up a centre table, in a passion, and kindle a fire with it, that Chinaman would be likely to resort to the furniture for fuel forever afterward.

    All Chinamen can read, write and cipher with easy facility--pity but all our petted voters could. In California they rent little patches of ground and do a deal of gardening. They will raise surprising crops of vegetables on a sand pile. They waste nothing. What is rubbish to a Christian, a Chinaman carefully preserves and makes useful in one way or another. He gathers up all the old oyster and sardine cans that white people throw away, and procures marketable tin and solder from them by melting...

    They are a kindly disposed, well-meaning race, and are respected and well treated by the upper classes, all over the Pacific coast. No Californian gentleman or lady ever abuses or oppresses a Chinaman, under any circumstances, an explanation that seems to be much needed in the East. Only the scum of the population do it--they and their children; they, and, naturally and consistently, the policemen and politicians, likewise, for these are the dust-licking pimps and slaves of the scum, there as well as elsewhere in America.

    Roughing It, Mark Twain, published 1872.
     

    Replies: @A British Indian, @Dan Hayes, @Jack D, @Muggles, @Anon

    The Bay Area economy provides a 100-year natural experiment in the cultural strengths and weaknesses of the Chinese. I’ve personally witnessed a few decades of this.

    Silicon Valley is ideally suited to Chinese high mathematical intelligence and low extraversion. For a variety of reasons, the local Chinese have a giant leg up over Upper Caste Indian immigrants and Americans from the hinterlands. You cannot create a more ideal environment for the Chinese to thrive in business. Yet, they have a muted overall impact in tech. I’m guessing the ratio of Brahmins to Chinese is 20x per capita in executives, and 50x per capita in startup founders.

    On a more personal level, the most talented ethnic Chinese I have worked with are either from Taiwan or disproportionately members of the CCP. For the latter group, it is not by chance they are in the US. The CCP holistically prescreens candidates. Further, the willingness to travel to the US is another filter on overall industriousness. Chinese tech giants — which for the most part are state-sponsored US clones bolstered by a huge domestic market — are the end product of the CCP revolving door in US tech.

    The Chinese who do particularly well in tech typically stick to mathematical R&D-type roles, often in machine learning or deep learning, and often an extension of a PhD.

    Of the well-rounded, Americanized Chinese I know personally, there is still an obvious IQ differential compared to Whites. Nonetheless, they seem to gravitate towards respectable well-paying professions, but never entrepreneurship. If they do, it will be a dental or medical practice.

    Suspect that in order for the Chinese to operate at the same level of Whites — even lower IQ Whites — they will need to be motivated by a greater communal cause, hence “The Chinese Century” rhetoric by the CCP. Without it, most Chinese simply revert to their natural instincts, which is to lead a good comfortable family-oriented life, but one that does not push societal boundaries in any meaningful way.

    It is worth comparing histories of Caucasians vs Chinese. The Caucasians conquered and explored their way out the The Caucasus several thousand years ago. During this time, the Chinese stayed put. This probably speaks to pre-existing genetic differences — and thousands of years of subsequent genetic pressures — that are bigger than any one standardized test.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Anon


    the most talented ethnic Chinese I have worked with are either from Taiwan
     
    People in the US really don't realize how far above its weight Taiwan punches in the tech industry.

    Replies: @anon

  150. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Altai

    It does look like a whole series of unfortunate events are taking place on Russia's borders.

    "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action".

    Could it be that the three-letter boys are now confident of a Trump loss and have decided to turn everything up to 11? After all, they've lost four years.

    There was an FT interview with the outgoing MI6 boss a couple of days back. Another Afghan/ME hand. My emboldening.

    https://www.ft.com/content/c544d058-6dad-4549-8319-470975281d0a


    Younger tells me that while a pandemic was considered a potential threat, no one had calculated its implications in the security sphere. It has already intensified geopolitical rivalry and put unwelcome emphasis on economic sovereignty. “It seems to me, regrettably, in the response to the pandemic, we’ve seen essentially a nation-based response characterised by opportunism and protectionism. As an intelligence officer, I’ve got to deal with the consequences of that.
     
    It seems MI6 are on the side of the globalists. But it looks as if eleven years after Fingleton wrote In The Jaws Of The Dragon our intelligence services, like some giant supertanker, are slowly turning round. They've realised the Chinese aren't good globalists, people who'd sell out their own working class and the country for a few million more in stock options, after all!

    Younger says, with some regret, that the notion, widely held in the west in the past two decades, that economic progress would bring democratisation to China was a misunderstanding of the Communist party. “The idea that as they matured and became richer they were going to become more like us is for the birds,” he says. “I think you’re seeing a steady but definite ideological divergence taking place; there will be at least two dominant value systems on one planet into the medium term and that’s just a fact and it’s where we’re going.”
     

    Replies: @Altai

    There was a time that elites often desired more national autonomy so they could accrue more local control and social status. Better to be a big fish in a small pond. The fish in the core regions will always want to keep it all for themselves.

    But maybe ease of travel destroyed some of that in the West. Certainly in the US people don’t look back at their home towns once they get in good.

    The Chinese still live in a cultural bubble and better to keep it all there for themselves than compete with global elites. But they shouldn’t have been so surprised, the only other non-Western countries to enjoy first world status (Japan, Taiwan and South Korea) didn’t exactly show signs that, had they a population of 1.2 billion, they’d be inclined to play the role they did in the globalist system. (All engage in protectionism and industrial planning. Nor have any, outside to a lesser extent South Korea been busy about importing endless immigrants despite a cornucopia of poor countries right on their doorsteps.)

    In fact no country has ever asked for the immigration it got, the chants of ‘diversity is strength’ are always the coping mechanism after the fact. American has been trying to cope for 100 years, it hasn’t become anymore antifragile or solidarity driven to me, it invented libertarianism.

  151. OT but very disappointed that Taki’s decided to go with a new website design that makes it look exactly like every other webzine (can we still use that term?) out there but with more pop-ups. I loved the old design, which was unique and playful.

  152. funny that steve should use the single best example against HBD.

    eugenics end at a selection limit.

    big red is still the fastest horse in what…20 horse generations?

    so even if you could breed back to the OG indo-europeans…

    they’d just be a little smarter than average.

  153. @res
    @keypusher


    Sort-of OT: a superintendent in Evanston wants black and Hispanic students to be able to come to class and white and Asian students to stay home. The Harrison Bergeron approach, basically.
     
    It would be hilarious if that ended up increasing the gaps instead.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The one white guy on the US Math Olympiad team is home schooled.

    But realistically, it’s not going to make a difference. They could send the white and Asian kids to school and leave the blacks home or vice versa and it’s just not going to move the needle. They could teach the classes in Swahili or in rhyming rap and it wouldn’t move the needle (those Asian kids would be rapping like crazy in no time). No intervention that occurs later than 9 months before birth has been shown to move the needle.

  154. @stillCARealist
    @Bill P

    Well, the trashy culture is what the boomers wanted, what they had a revolution to accomplish. No more authority, no more standards, no more expectations, no more consequences. Be careful what you wish for.

    They had a filthy speech movement, a sexual revolution, no-fault divorce, abortion on demand, acceptance of drugs, embrace of porn and perversion, shacking up, rebellious music and movies, and then a million other little assaults on decent family life. You're surprised by the prevalence of degradation and self destruction? Why? What else do people have?

    You know, I see these stupid signs outside people's homes that say Love is Love and so forth and I just wonder. Do they have any real sense of love outside self-righteousness? Do they understand the sacrifice and surrender that love entails? It's all a really pathetic pose that any decent actor should see right through. Take down the sign and show me you can stick with your marriage, discipline your kids, pay off your debts, obey authority, stay sober. Nope, no boomer wants any of that and all the subsequent generations are following their lead.

    Okay, I'll stop now.

    Replies: @axually it does

    Not Boomers – ‘Silent Generation’ born before 1946.

    Boomers just followed their older ‘brothers’ and ‘sisters’ during the 60s – like most impressionable young people do.

    Check it – all of the 1960s culture leaders were born before the postwar Baby Boom.

    If you blame Boomers for Punk culture late 1970s I’ll grant that. 1970s was when Boomers began to affect the culture. Punk was partly a reaction against all the Hippy crap the Silent Generation had foisted on us – Punk (& Disco for the girls) became our culture, but we voted for Reagan, worked hard like our parents and had the same expectations – at least we males did. I can’t speak for Boomer females who went their own way (I gave up on them in 1980 after seeing them sink into the gutter, but are women responsible or are they easily led and corrupted?).

    • Agree: polistra, Travis
  155. Increase in scores for “No Response” = flight from white (male)?

  156. @anon
    This is the unintended consequence of affirmative action -- it makes the strong stronger and the weak weaker. Asians have to score far higher than all other groups to have the same chance of admission to elite colleges, so they put in a lot more effort into studying, both for the SAT and for AP exams etc. Meanwhile, whites are getting in through ECs, often by playing sports. Asians have a height disadvantage in sports compared to whites and blacks. And also most Asian moms do not want their kids playing concussion heavy sports like football -- they still think the best way to get ahead is by using your brain.

    The only kids who even apply to elite colleges any more from our area are Asians, Hispanics, Nigerians and Jews. White kids tend to go to the state flagships or party schools and don't even bother applying to elite colleges. If you look at the demo at Top 25 colleges or the UCs, you would think there are 4 to 8 times more Asians in this country than the reported 5%, but the majority of liberal arts colleges and state flagships in the middle of the country are actually still overwhelmingly white. University of Wisconsin for example is still over 70% white. In most Red states, Asians make up no more than 5% of the state flagship.

    What this data tells me is that Hispanics are now the biggest beneficiaries of AA. Hispanic enrollment in elite colleges have been rising rapidly in the last decade, yet according to this chart, their SAT scores aren't that spectacular. Per the study by Espenshade, Asians have to score 140 pts above whites, 310 pts above Hispanics and 450 pts above blacks to have the same chance of admission. Hispanics are now 12% to 20% of enrollment at many elite colleges, while whites are now down to 25% to 40%. The rise of Hispanics is really cutting into white enrollment.

    Replies: @Thoughts

    Well that confirms what I saw

    I only went to my college because it was the last one to NOT be taken over by Asians in the area…I was the last White Group so to speak

    The takeover was so complete and so Fast (2-3 years) that even a liberal girlfriend commented (she was stuck there still getting her PHD after I left)

    My Dad of all people recently visited my college campus and he was SHOCKED by how it had changed…he said not only was it all Asian/Indian but it also had a very Negative Vibe…

    No white kid who is attracted to other white kids is going to go to a school like that. It’s not a healthy environment.

    So why worry about the SAT if you are going to U of Nowhereville anyways? Get a good enough score and move on.

    I think that is a Logical Attitude. However…I had perfect 5’s on all of my AP exams and I got 800 across the board on SAT2.

    It was more a point of pride to study for those tests. It was as Steve suggests…more relevant to my goals to get good grades on those tests. It was the culmination of a year or so of hard work. There’s something more Triumphant about those tests in my opinion (precisely because I was seeing so many Asians get <1100 and jump suddenly up to 1300 after so many weeks of test prep)

    If my kids were to take the SAT I would get them test prep, but once they hit the score needed to get into the college of their choice (or scholarship)…I would have them move onto something else.

  157. anon[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @Happy Tapir
    @HammerJack

    Chinese don’t seem interested in changing the culture of or controlling the places they emigrate to. For instance, most of the economy of the Philippines and Indonesia is controlled by ethnic Chinese, but one would never infer this from outward signs. See World on Fire by Amy chua for a good summary of their economic dominance. Chinese want to toil in private and be left alone. They seem unconcerned with messianic causes like the Middle East.

    I went to a sixty dollar buffet in Vegas a few years ago and I was struck by how overwhelmingly Chinese the clientele was. West coast Chinese must already be impressively loaded.

    Replies: @Monsieur le Baron, @anon

    I went to a sixty dollar buffet in Vegas a few years ago and I was struck by how overwhelmingly Chinese the clientele was. West coast Chinese must already be impressively loaded.

    Eating out seems to be a favorite past time of Asians. They have that in common with the Jews. Gluttony is only a sin for white Protestants. Judging by the number of Asian restaurants popping up all over the West Coast and Northeast, and their overwhelming Asian clientele, I wonder what percentage of their income these people spend on eating out. Must be a very high percentage. Or are they really just that rich that they can afford to eat out all the time?

    • Replies: @Kaz
    @anon

    In terms of obesity in America its..

    Black >> Hispanic > White >>>> Asian

    So what's this about Asian gluttony?

    , @Veracitor
    @anon

    One reason eating out is such a big Chinese cultural behaviour is that most nice Chinese cuisine is extremely tiresome to prepare. Restaurants exercise large economies of scale in prep and use a lot of specialist labor to feed patrons who would otherwise have to content themselves with what they regard as not-so-nice home cooking.

    Many Western restaurants provide harder-to-make-at-home dishes, of course, but the ratio is a lot less dramatic, which is why so many Western restaurants compete on ambience more than food while Chinese restaurants (real ones, not the Western-oriented PF-Chang’s types) are often spartan dumps yet crowded with patrons. Chinese customers are there to eat, not to enjoy the decor or the service or the entertainment.

    Replies: @Jack D, @anon

  158. @PSR
    I have no doubt that someday I'm going to try and open this site and get a measage that says "Oops! The page you have requested doesn't exist and the interweb has never heard of Steve Sailor or Unz."

    Replies: @El Dato

    As long as they don’t finger Swedish CIA honeypots like Julian did, they may have a chance.

    Meanwhile, a good one from The UK & US alliance brings the UNSC into disrepute by banning Syria chemical weapons briefing from ex-OPCW head

    (When did international politics degenerate to a permanent heist movie complete with degenerate Euro-weasels eager to please? Oh, well!)

    Dag Hammarskjöld [likely removed from premises by western-linked interests], a former secretary general of the UN, described by US President John F. Kennedy as the “greatest statesman of our century”, addressed Cambridge University in 1958 and said:

    “The ultimate fight is the one between the human and the subhuman. We are on dangerous ground if we believe that any individual, any nation, or any ideology has a monopoly on rightness, liberty, and human dignity.”

    By that standard, the UK, the US, and their allies have drifted far into subhuman territory by denying a voice to the humans in this world who speak up above the storm of lies to defend justice, liberty, and universal dignity because they believe in that tiny spark of integrity that defines courage at a time when speaking truth to power is a perilous undertaking.

  159. Do the numbers only include students who are citizens/residents of the U.S. (that is went to high school in the U.S. ) or does it include Koreans and Chinese who have been in cram school for years.
    Are Asian-Americans doing great or are Asians doing great.

  160. @black sea
    @El Dato

    Half of working Americans believe they are underpaid, so there should be a lot of whites (among others) who can understand and identify with her plight.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @El Dato, @Paul Mendez

    Well, she’s technically a freelancing entertainer, not a working anything.

  161. When I was an undergraduate and a science major, we had what was called at the time a Chinese exchange student who was killing us on the curve. Why? Because he already had his bachelors degree and was just retaking his last two years to get his GPA and GRE scores higher so he could get into a better graduate program.

    I have always suspected that many of the students at places like Stuyvesant and Thomas Jefferson are lying about their age to get better grades and succeed in extracurriculars much like Chinese families squat in the districts that will make their children eligible for the best magnet schools.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    @guest007

    I experienced this in my Masters program.

    A lot of the Indian students in my class...I was 22 and they were not 22. This poor girl from overseas had an absolute breakdown to me saying 'Am I dumb?' and I said 'Nope, all these guys have taken this class before.'

    Replies: @guest007

  162. @JackOH
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I got almost 200 points better on the SAT than I did on the PSAT a year earlier. I didn’t get that much smarter in that time.

    Achmed, true dat. I did well on the PSAT, markedly better on the ACT and SAT a year later, and even better on the LSAT and GMAT some years after that. I don't have a great explanatory theory. I'll guess I "leaned" toward test-taking after the PSAT because I was pretty good at it, probably read some articles on strategies, that sort of thing. I don't have any recollection of feeling I'd been dumber when taking the PSAT and then got rockingly smarter taking the LSAT and GMAT.

    Replies: @jon

    I did well on the PSAT, markedly better on the ACT and SAT a year later, and even better on the LSAT and GMAT some years after that.

    According to the IQ-Standardized Test conversion charts, I improved my IQ by a full standard deviation at each level. The more likely explanation, of course, is that I was signed up for the PSAT without even knowing what or when it was (just showed up one day and didn’t have to go to regular classes, yay!), realized that the SAT was important, but was in high school at a time and place where I didn’t have access to any test prep, and then bought a huge book of tests and spent a solid month cranking them out for the LSAT.

    • Thanks: JackOH
  163. @Jack D
    @black sea

    I totally agree with you, but in mainstream (liberal) circles it is common to believe that women are "underpaid" simply because they make on average 70% of what men make, without trying to account for differences in danger, skills, etc. These same people would like female basketball players to earn the same as NBA stars despite the fact that the audience sizes are vastly different. In other words, economics is not their strong suit.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Stan d Mute

    it is common to believe that women are “underpaid” simply because they make on average 70% of what men make, without trying to account for differences in danger, skills, etc.

    Or arguably more importantly, revenue generated as in the case of athletes, entertainers, account managers, direct sales, professional services, etc.

    Are women paid more, less, or the same as men relative to the revenues that they generate for the organization?

  164. How do these white-Asian mixes look like? Is this at least partially realistic?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Bardon Kaldian

    People who are 50% black always come out looking black but Hapas can range in appearance from almost fully European looking to almost fully Asian looking to various blends in between, some of which are felicitous and some of which are less so. On average, I would say that they are not a bad looking bunch and the best can be quite stunning. Asian women tend to be very (cough) slim on top and tend to suffer from flat face syndrome but not all Eurasian women have that problem.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Anonymous Jew
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I grew up in Seattle and would say they’re generally good looking, particularly compared to other mixed-race combos. Compare Wasian women to Mestizo or Mulatto women. Not even close. Wasians do miss out on some of the character and vibrant colors (blue eyes etc) of Europeans. On the other hand, they seem more likely than any other group to be able to turn ugly parents into attractive children. Perhaps because some of the extreme features of both races get softened out, giving Whites like Derbyshire and pie-faced Chinese a greater chance of having attractive offspring. As with any group, the mix doesn’t always work out.

    Mate selection is a very personal matter, and unless someone is a lifelong best friend or sibling I would never comment on someone’s prerogative in this area. At the same time, I think there is value to keeping unique peoples unique. Whether Igbo or Swedish, but especially Europeans. But yeah, if you’re gonna mix you can do a lot worse than Wasians.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  165. @Thoughts
    Maybe more Whites are subscribing to the Good Enough Theory that I did when I took the test

    I did not study and took it once...score was good enough to get into the College I wanted to go to....I chose the College because it was still majority White. Moved on with life.

    Smart Whites are probably wanting to go to White majority schools... so why even Worry about asians and the sat...get a score that Will get you in to North Dakota U and move on

    Being around other Whites is far more beneficial than sat prep

    A breakdown of where non jewish Whites are going to College would be very illuminating...maybe we are seeing a White takeover of out of the Way institutions

    Replies: @John Regan, @Gordo, @Mike1

    The problem with your “Good Enough Theory” is displayed in your comment. It reads on the semi-literate end of the spectrum. I’ve received notes like this from second language speakers of English who I’m employing for hard manual labor jobs.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    @Mike1

    Hahahahaha

    I haven't been around English speakers in years.

    I always get jolted about how bad my English is when I read British magazines.

  166. @candid_observer
    OT, but there's a new gaggle of MacArthur "Geniuses".

    https://www.macfound.org/programs/fellows/

    Metric of excellence: distance from being a white male.

    They really make no attempt to hide it.

    Replies: @jon

    Out of 21 recipients, one obviously white male (Nels Elder), one ambiguously white guy (Forrest Stuart-probably mixed race black based on his blurb), and a MENA white guy (Mohammad). Seems totally legit.

  167. @PiltdownMan
    Two women share the 2020 Nobel Prize for Chemistry, for their work in genome editing. There are many more women in working in molecular biology and biochemistry than, say, in physical chemistry or physics, and if the Swedish Academy for the Sciences wishes to award more prizes to women in science, I expect those are the areas in which winners will get selected from the pool of nominees.

    https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/2020/summary/

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Bardon Kaldian, @Gordo, @Lot

    ethnicity of 2020 Nobel Physics Winners “for the discovery that black hole formation is a robust prediction of the general theory of relativity”

    50% winner: Roger Penrose: 75% British Isles, 25% Russian Jewish

    25% winner: Reinhard Genzel: likely 100% Germanic

    25% winner: Andrea Mia Ghez: 50% mostly British generic white American, 50% Jewish, which in turn is 50% Tunis-Sephardic and 50% Bavarian-Ashkenazi

    All three winners come from illustrious intellectual families.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Lot


    All three winners come from illustrious intellectual families.
     
    And how. Roger Penrose's brother Jonathan was the UK chess champion for ten years, another brother is an emeritus professor of mathematics, sister a noted geneticist, and his father Lionel Penrose, was the Francis Galton professor of Eugenics at University College, London. The maternal grandfathers was a big deal, too. Reinhard Genzel's dad, Ludwig, was a big name in solid state physics. Andrea Ghez's father was a professor and her mother the director of an art museum in Chicago.
  168. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Arclight

    Hm... I have to correct myself. Seems that miscegenation of real whites with Asians is very high. I don't have a reason to question these figures, as of 2011.

    So:

    W- white
    M- male
    F-female
    I- Indian
    K-Korean
    C-Chinese
    P-Filipino
    J-Japanese
    V- Vietnamese

    http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml#sthash.7nGFITpw.dpbs
    .........................

    IM-WF: 25.6%
    IF-WM: 37.8%

    CM-WF: 26.5%
    CF-WM: 37.7%

    PM-WF: 31.8%
    PF-WM: 42.7%

    JM-WF: 25.1%
    JF-WM: 29.9%

    KM-WF: 34.6%
    KF-WM: 57.7%

    VM-WF: 21.9%
    VF-WM: 41.3%

    Replies: @jon

    Interesting stats. The lowest AM-WF rate as well as the biggest male-female gap in interracial marriage is among the Vietnamese. Maybe it’s a height thing. Conversely, Japanese guys are the Chads of Asian males. Koreans have the highest rate of intermarriage among both men and women. This, combined with their world-worst birth rate, and they won’t even exist in a few generations. But the biggest take away – a lot of sexually frustrated Asian guys out there, and that can lead to anything good.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    @jon

    I watched a Japanese horror movie the other day and I must say...

    The Japanese lead was tall and masculine, and he roughed up the female lead in a way you would NEVER see in an American movie

    It was awesome! I was impressed!

    Definately show a young boy, 'See not all cultures have been cowed!'

    , @Kaz
    @jon


    This, combined with their world-worst birth rate, and they won’t even exist in a few generations.
     
    People need to stop parroting this meme. Without non-western immigration many European countries are in the same position. It's actually worse as they're being actively replaced.

    Japan/Korea in 100 years will still be 90%+ Japan/Korean.

    Also countries like Japan/Korea can benefit from lowering fertility rates if it wasn't for our global ponzi scheme of a system. Do you know how the average person in those country lives? In what we would effectively consider closets..

    How many more people can a tiny island/peninsula nation support..

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @jon

  169. OT: Jane Fonda has recently had a bout of “Elderly Tourette’s Syndrome”:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/jane-fonda-coronavirus-is-gods-gift-to-the-left

  170. @guest007
    When I was an undergraduate and a science major, we had what was called at the time a Chinese exchange student who was killing us on the curve. Why? Because he already had his bachelors degree and was just retaking his last two years to get his GPA and GRE scores higher so he could get into a better graduate program.

    I have always suspected that many of the students at places like Stuyvesant and Thomas Jefferson are lying about their age to get better grades and succeed in extracurriculars much like Chinese families squat in the districts that will make their children eligible for the best magnet schools.

    Replies: @Thoughts

    I experienced this in my Masters program.

    A lot of the Indian students in my class…I was 22 and they were not 22. This poor girl from overseas had an absolute breakdown to me saying ‘Am I dumb?’ and I said ‘Nope, all these guys have taken this class before.’

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Thoughts

    I suspect that a lot of the Asian students at high schools like TJ are older than the 14 they claim when they take the entrance exam. Image returning to high school after a year or two in college.

    The only high school student who I ever interviewed who seemed to truly understand nonparametric statistics was an Indian-American who seemed older than claimed. I found out she was admitted to Harvard.

  171. @jon
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Interesting stats. The lowest AM-WF rate as well as the biggest male-female gap in interracial marriage is among the Vietnamese. Maybe it's a height thing. Conversely, Japanese guys are the Chads of Asian males. Koreans have the highest rate of intermarriage among both men and women. This, combined with their world-worst birth rate, and they won't even exist in a few generations. But the biggest take away - a lot of sexually frustrated Asian guys out there, and that can lead to anything good.

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Kaz

    I watched a Japanese horror movie the other day and I must say…

    The Japanese lead was tall and masculine, and he roughed up the female lead in a way you would NEVER see in an American movie

    It was awesome! I was impressed!

    Definately show a young boy, ‘See not all cultures have been cowed!’

  172. Similarly, nobody knows for sure why Asian scores have outpaced the field like Secretariat in the 1973 Belmont. (One minor methodological reason is that the small, not terribly high-scoring Pacific Islander group was previously lumped in with Asians, so separating them in the stats boosted Asian scores slightly a number of years ago.)

    According to Unsilenced Science, his graphs lump PI’s into the Asian group: https://twitter.com/UnsilencedSci/status/1313280309702475777

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @jon

    Thanks.

  173. @Mike1
    @Thoughts

    The problem with your "Good Enough Theory" is displayed in your comment. It reads on the semi-literate end of the spectrum. I've received notes like this from second language speakers of English who I'm employing for hard manual labor jobs.

    Replies: @Thoughts

    Hahahahaha

    I haven’t been around English speakers in years.

    I always get jolted about how bad my English is when I read British magazines.

  174. anon[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Think of the depravity of anyone saying:

    "AMERICA NEEDS ASIAN LEADERSHIP."

    Stop and think about the malevolence behind the push to fill our universities with Asians with the obvious goal of them eventually filling leadership positions throughout society.

    Replies: @anon

    I don’t know, I kinda think they might be better than our current Jewish overlords, at least the East Asians. Indians are too much like Jews, scheming, chest-thumping, clannish, left wing…only not as bright. America does not need or want to become the next India. The most left-wing political nuts in my area are all Indian.

    East Asians aren’t likely to cook up BS like “Critical Race Theory” or put up with crap from blacks, or go into endless wars for Israel. But they have the same problem as the Germans, hard working, peaceful, upwardly mobile, mostly law-abiding, but not very interested in politics or leadership. The smart ones all prefer to go into private industries, leaving politics to the dumb Kool-Aid drinkers like Ted Lieu, Mazie Hirono or Tammy Duckworth.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @anon

    You think Asians aren't into scheming?

    LOL.

    They may not be extroverted, but they can give the Jews and Indians a pretty good run for their money when it comes to running a complex scheme.

    With regards to their ethics, East Asians are extremely different from Germans. Though both groups are apolitical and industrious.

  175. @res
    @JimB

    The 1995 recentering increased scores 60-70 points in that part of the range (even more elsewhere!).
    https://web.archive.org/web/20120901210606/http://research.collegeboard.org/programs/sat/data/equivalence/sat-composites

    Replies: @JimB

    The 1995 recentering increased scores 60-70 points in that part of the range (even more elsewhere!).

    It’s not just the points. 1400 used to indicate the low cutoff for giftedness. Now it plainly doesn’t.

    • Replies: @res
    @JimB

    Do you think that has something to do with non-score based test changes? Like removing the analogies questions and changing penalties for guessing.

    Replies: @JimB

  176. @jon
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Interesting stats. The lowest AM-WF rate as well as the biggest male-female gap in interracial marriage is among the Vietnamese. Maybe it's a height thing. Conversely, Japanese guys are the Chads of Asian males. Koreans have the highest rate of intermarriage among both men and women. This, combined with their world-worst birth rate, and they won't even exist in a few generations. But the biggest take away - a lot of sexually frustrated Asian guys out there, and that can lead to anything good.

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Kaz

    This, combined with their world-worst birth rate, and they won’t even exist in a few generations.

    People need to stop parroting this meme. Without non-western immigration many European countries are in the same position. It’s actually worse as they’re being actively replaced.

    Japan/Korea in 100 years will still be 90%+ Japan/Korean.

    Also countries like Japan/Korea can benefit from lowering fertility rates if it wasn’t for our global ponzi scheme of a system. Do you know how the average person in those country lives? In what we would effectively consider closets..

    How many more people can a tiny island/peninsula nation support..

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Kaz


    Do you know how the average person in those country lives? In what we would effectively consider closets..
     
    You'd effectively consider 1100 sq ft a closet?

    The average size of an apartment unit in Korea was measured at 31.8 pyeong (104.9 sqm), nearly 6 pyeong larger than the 25.9 pyeong average from 13 years ago, a survey showed yesterday.
     
    It's not palatial, but not very different from US home sizes back in 1960, when the average American family had more kids:


    1940: 1,177
    1950: 983
    1960: 1,289
    1970: 1,500
    1980: 1,740
    1990: 2,080
    2000: 2,266
    2010: 2,392
    2014: 2,657
     
    What's amusing is how people grumble about how expensive it is to have kids, but they spend a bunch of money routinely on things their parents would never dream of, because the prior generation's first priority was to have kids and put them through school.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @jon
    @Kaz


    Do you know how the average person in those country lives? In what we would effectively consider closets.
     
    I am an average person in one of those countries, so ... yes. I'll admit that I sometimes long for the days when I'll have my own backyard again, but the mass-apartment living is an incredibly easy and comfortable life in other ways.

    People need to stop parroting this meme. Without non-western immigration many European countries are in the same position. It’s actually worse as they’re being actively replaced.
     
    This is iSteve, you won't get any push back on that comment.

    Also countries like Japan/Korea can benefit from lowering fertility rates if it wasn’t for our global ponzi scheme of a system.
     
    Korea has a birth rate of 0.8, the lowest in the world. And it is trending downward (they were consistently above 1.0 just a few years ago). They closed the bottom 10-20% of colleges here, and they forced the remainder to reduce enrollments. Even with that, many schools are actively trying to expand their international students to make up for the loss. And that's just the effects I see directly in my own industry, a rate that low is going to shrink the population too fast. They will either make the immigration mistake like we did, or they will be in for some tough transition times.
  177. @anon
    @Happy Tapir


    I went to a sixty dollar buffet in Vegas a few years ago and I was struck by how overwhelmingly Chinese the clientele was. West coast Chinese must already be impressively loaded.
     
    Eating out seems to be a favorite past time of Asians. They have that in common with the Jews. Gluttony is only a sin for white Protestants. Judging by the number of Asian restaurants popping up all over the West Coast and Northeast, and their overwhelming Asian clientele, I wonder what percentage of their income these people spend on eating out. Must be a very high percentage. Or are they really just that rich that they can afford to eat out all the time?

    Replies: @Kaz, @Veracitor

    In terms of obesity in America its..

    Black >> Hispanic > White >>>> Asian

    So what’s this about Asian gluttony?

  178. @res
    @Calvin Hobbes

    SD on the subtests was retargeted to 110 in the 1995 recentering.

    Table A.4 of
    https://www.ets.org/Media/Research/pdf/RR-99-02-Dorans.pdf
    gives a correlation of 0.71 for SAT math and verbal.

    The SAT M and V subtest scores correlated with the combined score 0.93 and 0.92 respectively.

    Replies: @Calvin Hobbes

    Table A.4 of
    https://www.ets.org/Media/Research/pdf/RR-99-02-Dorans.pdf
    gives a correlation of 0.71 for SAT math and verbal.

    Thanks. That’s a nice reference source. But it’s from 1999. From:

    SD for the total is 211, 105 SD for ERW, 117 SD for Math

    one can calculate the 2020 correlation between ERW and Math to be 0.806.

    The correlation went way up because of more (ERW, MATH) pairs of high scores (lots of Asians) and more (ERW, MATH) pairs of low scores (lots more dummies taking the SAT).

    • Replies: @res
    @Calvin Hobbes


    one can calculate the 2020 correlation between ERW and Math to be 0.806.
     
    I tend to prefer direct calculations of correlation rather than inferring it from the subtest SDs, etc.

    The correlation went way up because of more (ERW, MATH) pairs of high scores (lots of Asians) and more (ERW, MATH) pairs of low scores (lots more dummies taking the SAT).
     
    Perhaps a more polite way of expressing this is that there is less restriction of range in the present since more people take the test. Though that statement is more about the low end being added.
  179. @Bardon Kaldian
    How do these white-Asian mixes look like? Is this at least partially realistic?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRdmo8BIH8s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Xo3EgP8SE

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous Jew

    People who are 50% black always come out looking black but Hapas can range in appearance from almost fully European looking to almost fully Asian looking to various blends in between, some of which are felicitous and some of which are less so. On average, I would say that they are not a bad looking bunch and the best can be quite stunning. Asian women tend to be very (cough) slim on top and tend to suffer from flat face syndrome but not all Eurasian women have that problem.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jack D

    A flat face is a characteristic of female beauty; convex faces and prominent noses are masculine attributes.


    Asian female facial composites are rated as more attractive than European female composites across multiple peer-reviewed studies.

  180. @Nick Diaz
    This is one of the stupidest articles Sailer has written, and that is saying something since Sailer writes nothing but stupidity.

    When we talk about White Supremacy, we are talking about institutionalized racism that favors white people over other races, giving them unfair opportunities. Asians, conversely, achieved their dominance in academia through hard work.

    There is a fundamental difference between supremacy achieved via unearned privilege, and supremacy achieved through diligence and discipline. Apples and oranges. It is a key distinction that eludes Sailer.

    Sailer is, again, wrong. Quite a habit that he has at being consistently wrong about everything.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @AndrewR, @Hapalong Cassidy, @fish, @El Dato, @James N. Kennett, @Anonymous Jew, @hhsiii

    Ya load 16 tons
    Wha’dya get
    Another day older
    And student loan debt

  181. @Happy Tapir
    @hhsiii

    What do you do now(or did you do before retirement)? I’m just curious as to how they correlate with overall ability. Of course that we read Steve Sailer is a big indicator I suppose, lol!

    Replies: @hhsiii

    Bankruptcy lawyer. The fish are flopping in the boat now.

    • Thanks: Happy Tapir
  182. @Bill P
    White culture has coarsened with alarming rapidity over the last couple decades, at least where I live in the Pac. NW. Tattooes are emblematic of this trend. When I was a high school kid in the early 90s only a certain type would get tattooes, and usually not too many. Now you see them all over young whites, and even a number of the middle aged.

    It's also noticeable in cinematic depictions of whites. Compare depictions of whites in movies from the 80s with those from recent years. One could say that movies are not realistic, but when it comes to style, dialog and mannerisms they aren't that far off the mark.

    Discussions from only a few years back on the difference between British proles and white Americans already seem quaint. We have degenerated - no question about it - and a lot faster than if it had a genetic cause.

    How many Hindus or Orientals do you see with tattooes? How many are using opioids? Are they listening to pornographic rap? Are they rioting in solidarity with a black, junkie, violent criminal who met his demise while bombed on fentanyl and trying to pass a fake $20?

    I looked at some pictures of a George Floyd rally in a park near where I grew up in Seattle. The rally consisted mainly of poorly-dressed young, white slobs. This rally was in a highly oriental neighborhood where FOB immigrants were unloaded to live among blacks back in the 80s, yet they, for some mysterious reason, declined to participate. Instead, tons of unattractive, doughy whites - mainly women - were present.

    That brings me to another point. Has anyone noticed how much rarer attractive women are among whites today compared to 30 years ago? I don't think it's my middle-aged libido creating a false impression, because it's clear that a lot of them could look pretty good if they lost 40 lbs., lasered off their tattooes, dressed reasonably well and/or had a full set of teeth. Of course, washing out their foul mouths with soap might have an effect as well.

    This testing disparity probably has a number of causes, but it isn't genetics alone. The astonishing collapse of white values and morality must factor into it, and we shouldn't forget the role played by greed, which is most responsible for giving birth to this monstrosity. It won't be long, if this goes on, before the democrats openly embrace white trash as a core constituency. In fact, here in the coastal NW that has already happened. What else could one call the political hooligans of Portland and Seattle besides white trash? And despite all the talk of black lives and such, these are the people Portland mayor Ted Wheeler and the Seattle city council cater to -- not blacks. This is, without a doubt, a Communist movement disguised as a civil rights crusade.

    Asians are, somewhat stupidly I should add, going along with this. What they should know is that "evil white policemen" are all that stands between them and this horde of neo-Bolsheviks, who would gladly dispossess their rich yellow and brown asses without feeling a hint of racial guilt.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @stillCARealist, @Twinkie

    Has anyone noticed how much rarer attractive women are among whites today compared to 30 years ago? I don’t think it’s my middle-aged libido creating a false impression, because it’s clear that a lot of them could look pretty good if they lost 40 lbs., lasered off their tattooes, dressed reasonably well and/or had a full set of teeth.

    Trimness – esp. among women – is now a class marker. Audacious Epigone posted weight gain among whites over the past several decades, and lower class category women were notable in gaining the most (lower class men gained more than upper class men, but the disparity was less severe than that among different classes of women).

    This is exacerbating the already existing tendency toward assortative marriage by class/education. Gone are the days of rich, successful sons marrying pretty and trim (and grateful) daughters of poorer neighbors next door (which enhances social cohesion and upward mobility). Lawyers and doctors no longer marry para-legals/secretaries and nurses – they marry other lawyers and doctors, in part because of scarcity of desirable women among the lower classes.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Twinkie

    Lawyers and doctors no longer marry para-legals/secretaries and nurses – they marry other lawyers and doctors, in part because of scarcity of desirable women among the lower classes.

    They marry laterally partly because that's the social norm and has been for 20 or so years, and partly because UMC people now have very little social contact with middle class people. You should be able to observe this within your own social circle.

    Weight is a factor, but it's still a smaller factor than social class. Especially on the coasts.

    , @Jack D
    @Twinkie


    they marry other lawyers and doctors, in part because of scarcity of desirable women among the lower classes.
     
    In part because of that and in part because the same women who once upon a time would have become legal secretaries or nurses nowadays become doctors and lawyers.

    There is a lot of class mobility among the children of immigrants, especially (but not only) Asian immigrants but American white people have largely sorted themselves into classes already and there is much less (and maybe as much of it is downward as upward).
    , @Corn
    @Twinkie


    Gone are the days of rich, successful sons marrying pretty and trim (and grateful) daughters of poorer neighbors next door (which enhances social cohesion and upward mobility). Lawyers and doctors no longer marry para-legals/secretaries and nurses – they marry other lawyers and doctors, in part because of scarcity of desirable women among the lower classes.
     
    True. A couple different things at work here. Due to women’s lib there are now more female execs and doctors and lawyers for those male doctors and lawyers to marry.

    Coupled with that is our society’s more permissive attitude towards sex. Nowadays if a doctor meets a sweet nurse he won’t marry her. He’ll just shag her until another doctor comes along.

    Replies: @black sea

    , @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    What this also leads to is a distinct lack of incentives for the bottom quarter of men (and 1/4th of any group is always going to be at the bottom) to man up and bust their butts to try and secure a family. If the "winners" are going to be given 300 pound ladies who possibly already have kids in exchange for working their asses off at sucky jobs for 60+ hours a week, then a lot of these guys are going to opt out, even before we get to divorce law realities and the lack of automatic social respect that being a paterfamilias used to have in the American mainstream. They'll do what they need to do to keep themselves alive, and beyond that, whatever the hell they please. Enough men choosing to do that can be a bit of a problem, especially if they are none too happy about the whole affair.

    I'm not saying this to excuse loserdom, imply that bottom-tier men are prizes themselves, or to say that people are at fault for being repelled by losers: that's just human nature, and probably a very healthy facet of that. Ultimately, part of being a man is realizing that nobody is going to give you anything and that fighting does have a nobility and tangential positive effects in itself, even if you are going up against harsh odds. But one thing that I've noticed people who have lived their entire lives in the top quarter of skills, talent, attractiveness, social capital, etc really tend to not understand is that social stigmatization can only go so far before the bluff is called in an age of hyper-individualism. Somebody with little social capital and little realistic foreseeable chances of gaining any is unlikely to be persuaded by society yelling "MANCHILD" at ever higher decibels, and you can't just say "No, we don't mean you, the message was not meant for you, now go to church, work hard, buy a house you yourself don't care about, and put a ring on that single mother".

    And in the end, for all the power women tend to hold in the courtship game, it is going to be the men who choose whether to play the game at all or not. No amount of propaganda can convince the overwhelming majority of women that they don't want families. Men are a lot more able to detach themselves from that if they feel it isn't going to be worth it, or worse, that they are being played for suckers and will likely end up working hard for nothing. In the end, nobody wins when dating becomes just another free market rather than a societal collaboration.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  183. @Jack D
    @hhsiii


    They only, at that time at least, gave out your high score to colleges, I believe.
     
    I don't think that was ever true, certainly not back then. I think in recent years they have sold some option where you can cancel a score after you get them but back in the day unless you cancelled on the same day they were going to report all of your scores.

    However, at some point (I don't know when) colleges started "superscoring" in order to boost their US News rankings and reported average SATs of admitted students. Others here have pointed out that the total # of 1600 scorers is lower than the # of 1600 scorers reported by the top 50 universities (so therefore the universities are lying). Maybe they ARE lying but one explanation is that their score reporting is based on superscoring. If you look the SAT twice and got 600V 800M one time and 800V 600M the 2nd, Harvard will put you down as a 1600 scorer although in the College Board's book you never broke 1400. The colleges do this for their benefit, not yours.

    Replies: @hhsiii

    That’s what I recall, but 40 years ago. Yes, they report your score as is. But once you took second test I think that’s what you had.

    But you may be right. Maybe just what the university put down.

    I’d probably average my math scores, then dock it 10%. 720 math was the 2nd highest score at Choate, to a Japanese tennis player named Hajime. I scored higher than an honorary general in the Thai army named Doon. But I wasn’t really very good at math. Multiple choice changes up the test result.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @hhsiii

    This really lowers my opinion of Choate. I did better than that attending a mediocre public school in southern NJ where most of the teachers had bachelors degrees from public teachers' colleges and I think there were a couple of guys (whose ambition it was to become doctors, which they later did) who did about as well as I did. Almost zero Asians in those days. My SAT prep consisted of buying the Barron's paperback test prep book (which was not very good - in those days the College Board did not release old tests and the Barron's practice tests were clearly not of SAT quality. ) And since my parents' mathematical education did not extend past the 4 basic operations, they were no help either.

    I have to admit that after having taken calculus at my HS from such a teacher in a class of around 30 kids and then taking it again in a large lecture at Penn, my HS teacher taught it better. It really felt like the professor had drawn the short straw and had been assigned to teach freshman calc and that he really didn't want to be there and was just going thru the motions. I was glad that I already knew most of the material because if I had to learn it from him (or from the TA for my section who even back then was a Chinese (Taiwanese) grad student who spoke incomprehensible Engrish) I would have been in trouble.

    Replies: @hhsiii

  184. anon[247] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    @Bill P


    Has anyone noticed how much rarer attractive women are among whites today compared to 30 years ago? I don’t think it’s my middle-aged libido creating a false impression, because it’s clear that a lot of them could look pretty good if they lost 40 lbs., lasered off their tattooes, dressed reasonably well and/or had a full set of teeth.
     
    Trimness - esp. among women - is now a class marker. Audacious Epigone posted weight gain among whites over the past several decades, and lower class category women were notable in gaining the most (lower class men gained more than upper class men, but the disparity was less severe than that among different classes of women).

    This is exacerbating the already existing tendency toward assortative marriage by class/education. Gone are the days of rich, successful sons marrying pretty and trim (and grateful) daughters of poorer neighbors next door (which enhances social cohesion and upward mobility). Lawyers and doctors no longer marry para-legals/secretaries and nurses - they marry other lawyers and doctors, in part because of scarcity of desirable women among the lower classes.

    Replies: @anon, @Jack D, @Corn, @nebulafox

    Lawyers and doctors no longer marry para-legals/secretaries and nurses – they marry other lawyers and doctors, in part because of scarcity of desirable women among the lower classes.

    They marry laterally partly because that’s the social norm and has been for 20 or so years, and partly because UMC people now have very little social contact with middle class people. You should be able to observe this within your own social circle.

    Weight is a factor, but it’s still a smaller factor than social class. Especially on the coasts.

  185. @keypusher
    Sort-of OT: a superintendent in Evanston wants black and Hispanic students to be able to come to class and white and Asian students to stay home. The Harrison Bergeron approach, basically. But the most telling line in the piece is the inevitable:

    Dr. Horton frames the issue as addressing an achievement gap that falls along racial lines in his district.

    We'll never know anything about testing gaps, because we don't want to know.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/can-school-be-antiracist-a-new-superintendent-in-evanston-ill-has-a-plan-11601982001?st=79nb67se706z02c

    Replies: @res, @OilcanFloyd

    Sort-of OT: a superintendent in Evanston wants black and Hispanic students to be able to come to class and white and Asian students to stay home. The Harrison Bergeron approach, basically. But the most telling line in the piece is the inevitable:

    My guess is that the teachers weren’t consulted.

  186. OT from Gov Newsom: “Keep your mask on in between bites.”

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    Is that really a single tweet? OTOH, put your mask on between each bite. OTOH, minimize the number of times you take your mask on and off. Which is it? They really have no idea and they are too dumb to even notice that they are giving out contradictory advice. We really have the worst ruling class in US history.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    What's the deal now with blowjobs in California? (Asking for a friend.)

    Replies: @Questore

  187. @hhsiii
    @Jack D

    That’s what I recall, but 40 years ago. Yes, they report your score as is. But once you took second test I think that’s what you had.

    But you may be right. Maybe just what the university put down.

    I’d probably average my math scores, then dock it 10%. 720 math was the 2nd highest score at Choate, to a Japanese tennis player named Hajime. I scored higher than an honorary general in the Thai army named Doon. But I wasn’t really very good at math. Multiple choice changes up the test result.

    Replies: @Jack D

    This really lowers my opinion of Choate. I did better than that attending a mediocre public school in southern NJ where most of the teachers had bachelors degrees from public teachers’ colleges and I think there were a couple of guys (whose ambition it was to become doctors, which they later did) who did about as well as I did. Almost zero Asians in those days. My SAT prep consisted of buying the Barron’s paperback test prep book (which was not very good – in those days the College Board did not release old tests and the Barron’s practice tests were clearly not of SAT quality. ) And since my parents’ mathematical education did not extend past the 4 basic operations, they were no help either.

    I have to admit that after having taken calculus at my HS from such a teacher in a class of around 30 kids and then taking it again in a large lecture at Penn, my HS teacher taught it better. It really felt like the professor had drawn the short straw and had been assigned to teach freshman calc and that he really didn’t want to be there and was just going thru the motions. I was glad that I already knew most of the material because if I had to learn it from him (or from the TA for my section who even back then was a Chinese (Taiwanese) grad student who spoke incomprehensible Engrish) I would have been in trouble.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @Jack D

    I went to public school in NJ through sophomore year, and likewise only took a few practice tests from a booklet. Water seeks its level I guess.

    When you say you did better, you mean beat 1480? My college roommate didn’t score that high but did triple 800s on GRE. I’d flamed out by then.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

  188. @jon

    Similarly, nobody knows for sure why Asian scores have outpaced the field like Secretariat in the 1973 Belmont. (One minor methodological reason is that the small, not terribly high-scoring Pacific Islander group was previously lumped in with Asians, so separating them in the stats boosted Asian scores slightly a number of years ago.)
     
    According to Unsilenced Science, his graphs lump PI's into the Asian group: https://twitter.com/UnsilencedSci/status/1313280309702475777

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks.

  189. @Achmed E. Newman
    @El Dato

    We didn't have econ in high school, Mr. Dato. I gotta say, from 2 semesters in college (for a couple of easy classes to help out the workload), the 1st semester was pretty good stuff. The supply&demand stuff, price elasticity, Laffer curve even (anyone? anyone? Bueller??) is pretty solid. I like the simplicity in it.

    Once you get into that macro(?) econ, with government involvement and that Keynesian stuff, yeah, it's mostly a load of crap, or, at the least, just "your opinion, man".

    Replies: @Paul Mendez

    A high school friend told me that he signed up for an Econ class freshman year of college but dropped it after a week.

    “It didn’t make any sense! There’s an infinite supply of sex, and an infinite demand for sex. So how come nobody I know ever gets laid?”

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  190. @Twinkie
    @Bill P


    Has anyone noticed how much rarer attractive women are among whites today compared to 30 years ago? I don’t think it’s my middle-aged libido creating a false impression, because it’s clear that a lot of them could look pretty good if they lost 40 lbs., lasered off their tattooes, dressed reasonably well and/or had a full set of teeth.
     
    Trimness - esp. among women - is now a class marker. Audacious Epigone posted weight gain among whites over the past several decades, and lower class category women were notable in gaining the most (lower class men gained more than upper class men, but the disparity was less severe than that among different classes of women).

    This is exacerbating the already existing tendency toward assortative marriage by class/education. Gone are the days of rich, successful sons marrying pretty and trim (and grateful) daughters of poorer neighbors next door (which enhances social cohesion and upward mobility). Lawyers and doctors no longer marry para-legals/secretaries and nurses - they marry other lawyers and doctors, in part because of scarcity of desirable women among the lower classes.

    Replies: @anon, @Jack D, @Corn, @nebulafox

    they marry other lawyers and doctors, in part because of scarcity of desirable women among the lower classes.

    In part because of that and in part because the same women who once upon a time would have become legal secretaries or nurses nowadays become doctors and lawyers.

    There is a lot of class mobility among the children of immigrants, especially (but not only) Asian immigrants but American white people have largely sorted themselves into classes already and there is much less (and maybe as much of it is downward as upward).

  191. @Twinkie
    @Bill P


    Has anyone noticed how much rarer attractive women are among whites today compared to 30 years ago? I don’t think it’s my middle-aged libido creating a false impression, because it’s clear that a lot of them could look pretty good if they lost 40 lbs., lasered off their tattooes, dressed reasonably well and/or had a full set of teeth.
     
    Trimness - esp. among women - is now a class marker. Audacious Epigone posted weight gain among whites over the past several decades, and lower class category women were notable in gaining the most (lower class men gained more than upper class men, but the disparity was less severe than that among different classes of women).

    This is exacerbating the already existing tendency toward assortative marriage by class/education. Gone are the days of rich, successful sons marrying pretty and trim (and grateful) daughters of poorer neighbors next door (which enhances social cohesion and upward mobility). Lawyers and doctors no longer marry para-legals/secretaries and nurses - they marry other lawyers and doctors, in part because of scarcity of desirable women among the lower classes.

    Replies: @anon, @Jack D, @Corn, @nebulafox

    Gone are the days of rich, successful sons marrying pretty and trim (and grateful) daughters of poorer neighbors next door (which enhances social cohesion and upward mobility). Lawyers and doctors no longer marry para-legals/secretaries and nurses – they marry other lawyers and doctors, in part because of scarcity of desirable women among the lower classes.

    True. A couple different things at work here. Due to women’s lib there are now more female execs and doctors and lawyers for those male doctors and lawyers to marry.

    Coupled with that is our society’s more permissive attitude towards sex. Nowadays if a doctor meets a sweet nurse he won’t marry her. He’ll just shag her until another doctor comes along.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Corn


    Nowadays if a doctor meets a sweet nurse he won’t marry her. He’ll just shag her until another doctor comes along.

     

    I know a doctor whose first wife was an attorney. Pretty much the stereotype of the competitive, maniacally driven, combative bitch, which evidently made her pretty good at her work. His friends, in an indirect manner, sort of asked why he chose her (in a addition to being a doctor, he's quite tall, quite intelligent -- though a bit nuts -- and at least used to be a talented athlete). He said he wanted to marry someone similar enough to be able to match up to him.

    I won't go into the details, but the marriage turned out to be a train wreck, and after his divorce, he wised up and married a nurse. Much better outcome the second time around. I guess assortative mating doesn't always work.
  192. @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    OT from Gov Newsom: "Keep your mask on in between bites."

    https://i.ibb.co/pWKr6N8/Screenshot-20201007-192538-Chrome.jpg

    Replies: @Jack D, @Achmed E. Newman

    Is that really a single tweet? OTOH, put your mask on between each bite. OTOH, minimize the number of times you take your mask on and off. Which is it? They really have no idea and they are too dumb to even notice that they are giving out contradictory advice. We really have the worst ruling class in US history.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke, res
  193. @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    OT from Gov Newsom: "Keep your mask on in between bites."

    https://i.ibb.co/pWKr6N8/Screenshot-20201007-192538-Chrome.jpg

    Replies: @Jack D, @Achmed E. Newman

    What’s the deal now with blowjobs in California? (Asking for a friend.)

    • Replies: @Questore
    @Achmed E. Newman

    CA BJ CV = DA AG VP.

  194. @Kaz
    @jon


    This, combined with their world-worst birth rate, and they won’t even exist in a few generations.
     
    People need to stop parroting this meme. Without non-western immigration many European countries are in the same position. It's actually worse as they're being actively replaced.

    Japan/Korea in 100 years will still be 90%+ Japan/Korean.

    Also countries like Japan/Korea can benefit from lowering fertility rates if it wasn't for our global ponzi scheme of a system. Do you know how the average person in those country lives? In what we would effectively consider closets..

    How many more people can a tiny island/peninsula nation support..

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @jon

    Do you know how the average person in those country lives? In what we would effectively consider closets..

    You’d effectively consider 1100 sq ft a closet?

    The average size of an apartment unit in Korea was measured at 31.8 pyeong (104.9 sqm), nearly 6 pyeong larger than the 25.9 pyeong average from 13 years ago, a survey showed yesterday.

    It’s not palatial, but not very different from US home sizes back in 1960, when the average American family had more kids:

    1940: 1,177
    1950: 983
    1960: 1,289
    1970: 1,500
    1980: 1,740
    1990: 2,080
    2000: 2,266
    2010: 2,392
    2014: 2,657

    What’s amusing is how people grumble about how expensive it is to have kids, but they spend a bunch of money routinely on things their parents would never dream of, because the prior generation’s first priority was to have kids and put them through school.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Johann Ricke

    The Japanese now have a lot more square feet of living space per person than they did in, say, 1980. Japanese homes are not built to last, so it's pretty expected to tear down, say, a one story house and put up a 2 story house.

    Replies: @Jack D

  195. @Bardon Kaldian
    Alright, a few ideas & questions..

    1. how many of these Asians are yellow, and how many are browns? And Muslims?

    2. how many are Americans, and how many are foreign students?

    3. my take is that Asian advantage has more to do with hard work & ethics, and less with nebulous IQ. Also, their cultures emphasize learning (a heroic peasant boy, working hard in his godforsaken village & learning Confucian classics to enter the exams for the Mandarin service).

    4. flight from white- not for white men. White man remains the golden standard for everything. It's mind, body, eros, natural authority,....

    5. yellow fever is exaggerated, as stats show

    6. all non-black races are in danger of moral & societal corruption if they find TNB appealing. How real this threat is , I don't know.

    7. it is basically about core culture values- which are, broadly, Western. So it boils down to culture wars. White people will become insignificant if they seriously adopt African grievance parasitism, or Asian anthill culture.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/24/asia/japan-shinzo-abe-work-health-intl-hnk/index.html
    .........................

    'Do or die' mentality brings Japanese PM Shinzo Abe to the brink
    ............................
    That a few days off in the middle of a heatwave would trigger such a domino effect highlights Japan's obsession with gambaru, a virtually non-translatable concept that means doing one's best and persevering through the hardest of times.

    Striding into his official residence after his latest hospital visit, Abe said: "I will return to work and try to gambaru."

    The do-or-die mentality gambaru permeates Japanese society, where the pursuit of a goal can carry more significance than the outcome.

    Replies: @Paul Mendez

    My local PBS station has a channel devoted to the Japanese national broadcaster NHK. I’m struck by how many times the answer to an interviewer’s question is some variation of, “I will do my best.”

    Doesn’t matter if the topic is business, science, education, sports or politics. Or if the person is young or old, male or female. Even many J-pop songs are about doing your best.

  196. @Johann Ricke
    @Kaz


    Do you know how the average person in those country lives? In what we would effectively consider closets..
     
    You'd effectively consider 1100 sq ft a closet?

    The average size of an apartment unit in Korea was measured at 31.8 pyeong (104.9 sqm), nearly 6 pyeong larger than the 25.9 pyeong average from 13 years ago, a survey showed yesterday.
     
    It's not palatial, but not very different from US home sizes back in 1960, when the average American family had more kids:


    1940: 1,177
    1950: 983
    1960: 1,289
    1970: 1,500
    1980: 1,740
    1990: 2,080
    2000: 2,266
    2010: 2,392
    2014: 2,657
     
    What's amusing is how people grumble about how expensive it is to have kids, but they spend a bunch of money routinely on things their parents would never dream of, because the prior generation's first priority was to have kids and put them through school.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The Japanese now have a lot more square feet of living space per person than they did in, say, 1980. Japanese homes are not built to last, so it’s pretty expected to tear down, say, a one story house and put up a 2 story house.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Steve Sailer

    For a supposedly rich country, the building stock of Japan is remarkably modest looking.

    The traditional thinking was not to build anything very expensive (not that they could afford it - Japan was a poor country until fairly recently) because every few decades there would be an earthquake, fire or tsunami that would destroy it anyway. Even buildings such as temples that purport to be very old are generally made of wood and periodically rebuilt in the exact same form so they are they are "old" in the same sense as the Ship of Theseus was "old".

    Now in the countryside as the population shrinks and concentrates in the cities there are large # of abandoned homes whose owners have died.

  197. @black sea
    @El Dato

    Half of working Americans believe they are underpaid, so there should be a lot of whites (among others) who can understand and identify with her plight.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @El Dato, @Paul Mendez

    EVERYBODY thinks they’re underpaid! They might be grateful at first, but soon they rationalize that they actually deserve every penny, and eventually they resent the fact that they aren’t paid more.

    Not many people have the honesty to look at themselves in the mirror each and every morning as they get ready for work and say, “I can’t believe how much they’re paying me to do this job!”

  198. @Stolen Valor Detective
    I'm surprised that Steve didn't mention the most obvious consideration here, namely that East Asians have, on average, higher IQs than whites---Richard Lynn's estimates tend to find, roughly speaking, European countries having mean IQs of around 100, compared to around 105 for East Asian ones. That's ~1/3 of a standard deviation, which is quite substantial. That doesn't explain why there's been such a big change over the past ~20 years, but it seems like it would be highly relevant.

    Consequently, I find Steve's recurring enthusiasm/respect for Tiger Parenting/test preparation unconvincing. As the late Judith Rich Harris, Steven Pinker and Robert Plomin have all knowledgeably and clearly explained, children are not blank slates to be filled in any which way by the whims of their parents. Their genetic inheritances play a key role in determining their abilities, interests and personalities, a role which tends to increase as they age. So my guess is that the higher on average intelligence and conscientiousness which East Asians likely inherit explains (especially with age) much more of their success than any cultural/environmental factors do.

    To take a concrete example, consider two books on parenting which Steve reviewed about a decade ago, Professor Amy Chua's Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother and Professor Bryan Caplan's Selfish Reasons to Have More Kids. Professor Chua's tiger parented children are, naturally, doing very well, with one recently obtaining a SCOTUS clerkship with Justice Kavanaugh. Yet Professor Caplan recently reported that his (twin) eldest sons are now applying to college with 10 5s on AP tests each. (For context, I think that's above the average these days at Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant, or even among accepted applicants at MIT or Harvard.) So his laissez-faire parenting style seems to be working out reasonably well, while also (as he argued in his book) giving him enough time/energy to raise more kids than most other academics/white collar professionals these days.

    Replies: @jon

    Professor Caplan … his laissez-faire parenting style

    Caplan has 4 kids and he is homeschooling all of them. That is hardly laissez-faire. You have to remember, Caplan lies about everything – most of his writing is just gaslighting the goyim. Occasionally, he lets the mask slip. Take his principled stand on open borders. He has all kinds of economic and social justice arguments for it. But all he really cares about is the fact that, since Jews will always be a small minority in any country outside of Israel, it’s better for Jews if everyone else is a minority too.
    https://www.econlib.org/archives/2015/10/they_scare_me.html

  199. @Jack D
    @hhsiii

    This really lowers my opinion of Choate. I did better than that attending a mediocre public school in southern NJ where most of the teachers had bachelors degrees from public teachers' colleges and I think there were a couple of guys (whose ambition it was to become doctors, which they later did) who did about as well as I did. Almost zero Asians in those days. My SAT prep consisted of buying the Barron's paperback test prep book (which was not very good - in those days the College Board did not release old tests and the Barron's practice tests were clearly not of SAT quality. ) And since my parents' mathematical education did not extend past the 4 basic operations, they were no help either.

    I have to admit that after having taken calculus at my HS from such a teacher in a class of around 30 kids and then taking it again in a large lecture at Penn, my HS teacher taught it better. It really felt like the professor had drawn the short straw and had been assigned to teach freshman calc and that he really didn't want to be there and was just going thru the motions. I was glad that I already knew most of the material because if I had to learn it from him (or from the TA for my section who even back then was a Chinese (Taiwanese) grad student who spoke incomprehensible Engrish) I would have been in trouble.

    Replies: @hhsiii

    I went to public school in NJ through sophomore year, and likewise only took a few practice tests from a booklet. Water seeks its level I guess.

    When you say you did better, you mean beat 1480? My college roommate didn’t score that high but did triple 800s on GRE. I’d flamed out by then.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @hhsiii

    I don't want to brag, but yes. I did about the same on the LSAT.

    Replies: @black sea

    , @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @hhsiii

    Not sure that the maximum score on each GRE section was 800, at least not back in the 1980s when I took it. Can any of our resident spergs confirm?

    I'm also very skeptical that a 720 was the second highest math score at Choate. It was an unremarkable score at my (admittedly excellent) public high school.

    Replies: @hhsiii

  200. @Kaz
    @jon


    This, combined with their world-worst birth rate, and they won’t even exist in a few generations.
     
    People need to stop parroting this meme. Without non-western immigration many European countries are in the same position. It's actually worse as they're being actively replaced.

    Japan/Korea in 100 years will still be 90%+ Japan/Korean.

    Also countries like Japan/Korea can benefit from lowering fertility rates if it wasn't for our global ponzi scheme of a system. Do you know how the average person in those country lives? In what we would effectively consider closets..

    How many more people can a tiny island/peninsula nation support..

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @jon

    Do you know how the average person in those country lives? In what we would effectively consider closets.

    I am an average person in one of those countries, so … yes. I’ll admit that I sometimes long for the days when I’ll have my own backyard again, but the mass-apartment living is an incredibly easy and comfortable life in other ways.

    People need to stop parroting this meme. Without non-western immigration many European countries are in the same position. It’s actually worse as they’re being actively replaced.

    This is iSteve, you won’t get any push back on that comment.

    Also countries like Japan/Korea can benefit from lowering fertility rates if it wasn’t for our global ponzi scheme of a system.

    Korea has a birth rate of 0.8, the lowest in the world. And it is trending downward (they were consistently above 1.0 just a few years ago). They closed the bottom 10-20% of colleges here, and they forced the remainder to reduce enrollments. Even with that, many schools are actively trying to expand their international students to make up for the loss. And that’s just the effects I see directly in my own industry, a rate that low is going to shrink the population too fast. They will either make the immigration mistake like we did, or they will be in for some tough transition times.

  201. @JimB
    @res


    The 1995 recentering increased scores 60-70 points in that part of the range (even more elsewhere!).
     
    It’s not just the points. 1400 used to indicate the low cutoff for giftedness. Now it plainly doesn’t.

    Replies: @res

    Do you think that has something to do with non-score based test changes? Like removing the analogies questions and changing penalties for guessing.

    • Replies: @JimB
    @res


    Do you think that has something to do with non-score based test changes? Like removing the analogies questions and changing penalties for guessing.
     
    I’ve never seen a study of how the new SAT scores correlate with IQ. I recall pre-80s SAT scores having a R squared of higher than 0.8. I think the new SAT is closer to an R squared of 0.5. Which is how Asians are able to continue driving up their scores by grinding harder.

    Replies: @res

  202. @Calvin Hobbes
    @res


    Table A.4 of
    https://www.ets.org/Media/Research/pdf/RR-99-02-Dorans.pdf
    gives a correlation of 0.71 for SAT math and verbal.
     
    Thanks. That’s a nice reference source. But it’s from 1999. From:

    SD for the total is 211, 105 SD for ERW, 117 SD for Math

    one can calculate the 2020 correlation between ERW and Math to be 0.806.

    The correlation went way up because of more (ERW, MATH) pairs of high scores (lots of Asians) and more (ERW, MATH) pairs of low scores (lots more dummies taking the SAT).

    Replies: @res

    one can calculate the 2020 correlation between ERW and Math to be 0.806.

    I tend to prefer direct calculations of correlation rather than inferring it from the subtest SDs, etc.

    The correlation went way up because of more (ERW, MATH) pairs of high scores (lots of Asians) and more (ERW, MATH) pairs of low scores (lots more dummies taking the SAT).

    Perhaps a more polite way of expressing this is that there is less restriction of range in the present since more people take the test. Though that statement is more about the low end being added.

  203. Wouldn’t be surprised if there was some cheating in the Asian crowd (more? perhaps, but one might also want to consider fairly ridiculous practices like extra time for various supposed disabilities, which disproportionately shows up in the schools where the students least need it); still, i’m skeptical that this is the major driver: it seems to me that cheating would show up in a narrowing of the asian math-verbal gap. presumably if you’re going to cheat, there’s no reason to do it on both tests [and arguably you want to spend more time cheating on the thing that you are worse at and that is more valued/scarce on the admissions front].

    my sense is that selectivity for asian immigrants has been monotonically increasing from the 60s at least up till the time the current generation of SAT-takers was born. in more recent years you’ve had a larger number (not sure about proportion) of wastrel-types who go to NYU/various state colleges and drive around fancy cars — not quite the same caliber as the sorts who populate engineering/biology/CS/math departments.

  204. @Thoughts
    @guest007

    I experienced this in my Masters program.

    A lot of the Indian students in my class...I was 22 and they were not 22. This poor girl from overseas had an absolute breakdown to me saying 'Am I dumb?' and I said 'Nope, all these guys have taken this class before.'

    Replies: @guest007

    I suspect that a lot of the Asian students at high schools like TJ are older than the 14 they claim when they take the entrance exam. Image returning to high school after a year or two in college.

    The only high school student who I ever interviewed who seemed to truly understand nonparametric statistics was an Indian-American who seemed older than claimed. I found out she was admitted to Harvard.

  205. @anon
    @Happy Tapir


    I went to a sixty dollar buffet in Vegas a few years ago and I was struck by how overwhelmingly Chinese the clientele was. West coast Chinese must already be impressively loaded.
     
    Eating out seems to be a favorite past time of Asians. They have that in common with the Jews. Gluttony is only a sin for white Protestants. Judging by the number of Asian restaurants popping up all over the West Coast and Northeast, and their overwhelming Asian clientele, I wonder what percentage of their income these people spend on eating out. Must be a very high percentage. Or are they really just that rich that they can afford to eat out all the time?

    Replies: @Kaz, @Veracitor

    One reason eating out is such a big Chinese cultural behaviour is that most nice Chinese cuisine is extremely tiresome to prepare. Restaurants exercise large economies of scale in prep and use a lot of specialist labor to feed patrons who would otherwise have to content themselves with what they regard as not-so-nice home cooking.

    Many Western restaurants provide harder-to-make-at-home dishes, of course, but the ratio is a lot less dramatic, which is why so many Western restaurants compete on ambience more than food while Chinese restaurants (real ones, not the Western-oriented PF-Chang’s types) are often spartan dumps yet crowded with patrons. Chinese customers are there to eat, not to enjoy the decor or the service or the entertainment.

    • Agree: Muggles
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Veracitor

    What's interesting is to contrast that with Indian culture. In India your wife (or servants) are supposed to cook every meal. In big cities there is an elaborate system whereby a courier comes to your house in the suburbs and picks up your lunch and brings it downtown by train. Restaurants are called "hotels" (Indian English is strange) because the only time you would eat away from home is when you are traveling. Eating out is a fraught process because of caste restrictions - how do you know that the food really meets the dietary rules of your caste? There was no tradition of "eating out" for fun in your home city. Whatever anyone cooked was not as good as your mom's/wife's food anyway (or so people believed).

    China OTOH has had restaurants for hundreds of years, much longer than they existed in the West. The oldest Peking Duck restaurant in Beijing claims to be 600 years old (as you say, roasting a Peking duck requires special equipment and skills so you would never cook it at home, especially since Chinese homes traditionally (and many to this day) did not have ovens). The first "restaurant" opened in France after the Revolution because a lot of the chefs who formerly cooked for royalty were unemployed - previously there were "inns" that served food, similar to the idea of the Indian "hotel" but again these were for travelers and the food was often terrible and not what you would want to eat unless you had no other choice.

    Now this is beginning to change in India (and even more with young Indians in America) but traditionally there was no restaurant culture.

    , @anon
    @Veracitor


    Chinese customers are there to eat, not to enjoy the decor or the service or the entertainment.
     
    This is a major reason why I rarely go to Asian restaurants. How good can your food taste if you have to eat from dirty dishes or utensils, stare at dirty blank walls and ugly furniture, or worry about how dirty the bathroom will be when you need to go? And don't even get me started on the service, what service? The rudest waiters. Ambiance, service and cleanliness are every bit as important as the food, and Asians don't know any of these things if they hit them in the face.

    This is argument enough for banning these people from immigrating here. Importing third worlders equal importing third world problems, like poor hygiene and disgusting eating habits.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Jack D

  206. @hhsiii
    @Jack D

    I went to public school in NJ through sophomore year, and likewise only took a few practice tests from a booklet. Water seeks its level I guess.

    When you say you did better, you mean beat 1480? My college roommate didn’t score that high but did triple 800s on GRE. I’d flamed out by then.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    I don’t want to brag, but yes. I did about the same on the LSAT.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Jack D

    "I don't want to brag, but that's never stopped me from bragging."

    ps: I value your comments and insights, but I just couldn't resist.

  207. @Bardon Kaldian
    How do these white-Asian mixes look like? Is this at least partially realistic?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRdmo8BIH8s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Xo3EgP8SE

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous Jew

    I grew up in Seattle and would say they’re generally good looking, particularly compared to other mixed-race combos. Compare Wasian women to Mestizo or Mulatto women. Not even close. Wasians do miss out on some of the character and vibrant colors (blue eyes etc) of Europeans. On the other hand, they seem more likely than any other group to be able to turn ugly parents into attractive children. Perhaps because some of the extreme features of both races get softened out, giving Whites like Derbyshire and pie-faced Chinese a greater chance of having attractive offspring. As with any group, the mix doesn’t always work out.

    Mate selection is a very personal matter, and unless someone is a lifelong best friend or sibling I would never comment on someone’s prerogative in this area. At the same time, I think there is value to keeping unique peoples unique. Whether Igbo or Swedish, but especially Europeans. But yeah, if you’re gonna mix you can do a lot worse than Wasians.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Anonymous Jew


    At the same time, I think there is value to keeping unique peoples unique. Whether Igbo or Swedish, but especially Europeans.
     
    Amen.
  208. @hhsiii
    @Jack D

    I went to public school in NJ through sophomore year, and likewise only took a few practice tests from a booklet. Water seeks its level I guess.

    When you say you did better, you mean beat 1480? My college roommate didn’t score that high but did triple 800s on GRE. I’d flamed out by then.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    Not sure that the maximum score on each GRE section was 800, at least not back in the 1980s when I took it. Can any of our resident spergs confirm?

    I’m also very skeptical that a 720 was the second highest math score at Choate. It was an unremarkable score at my (admittedly excellent) public high school.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    https://www.qsleap.com/gre/resources/old-gre-to-new-gre-score-conversion

    Yes GRE was 800 scale back then.

    I may be wrong about the Choate math scores. It’s how I recall it. There were a few you’d think scored better, but it was much more verbal oriented. More for folks who couldn’t get into Andover or Exeter (me included).

  209. @Veracitor
    @anon

    One reason eating out is such a big Chinese cultural behaviour is that most nice Chinese cuisine is extremely tiresome to prepare. Restaurants exercise large economies of scale in prep and use a lot of specialist labor to feed patrons who would otherwise have to content themselves with what they regard as not-so-nice home cooking.

    Many Western restaurants provide harder-to-make-at-home dishes, of course, but the ratio is a lot less dramatic, which is why so many Western restaurants compete on ambience more than food while Chinese restaurants (real ones, not the Western-oriented PF-Chang’s types) are often spartan dumps yet crowded with patrons. Chinese customers are there to eat, not to enjoy the decor or the service or the entertainment.

    Replies: @Jack D, @anon

    What’s interesting is to contrast that with Indian culture. In India your wife (or servants) are supposed to cook every meal. In big cities there is an elaborate system whereby a courier comes to your house in the suburbs and picks up your lunch and brings it downtown by train. Restaurants are called “hotels” (Indian English is strange) because the only time you would eat away from home is when you are traveling. Eating out is a fraught process because of caste restrictions – how do you know that the food really meets the dietary rules of your caste? There was no tradition of “eating out” for fun in your home city. Whatever anyone cooked was not as good as your mom’s/wife’s food anyway (or so people believed).

    China OTOH has had restaurants for hundreds of years, much longer than they existed in the West. The oldest Peking Duck restaurant in Beijing claims to be 600 years old (as you say, roasting a Peking duck requires special equipment and skills so you would never cook it at home, especially since Chinese homes traditionally (and many to this day) did not have ovens). The first “restaurant” opened in France after the Revolution because a lot of the chefs who formerly cooked for royalty were unemployed – previously there were “inns” that served food, similar to the idea of the Indian “hotel” but again these were for travelers and the food was often terrible and not what you would want to eat unless you had no other choice.

    Now this is beginning to change in India (and even more with young Indians in America) but traditionally there was no restaurant culture.

    • Thanks: Muggles
  210. @Steve Sailer
    @Johann Ricke

    The Japanese now have a lot more square feet of living space per person than they did in, say, 1980. Japanese homes are not built to last, so it's pretty expected to tear down, say, a one story house and put up a 2 story house.

    Replies: @Jack D

    For a supposedly rich country, the building stock of Japan is remarkably modest looking.

    The traditional thinking was not to build anything very expensive (not that they could afford it – Japan was a poor country until fairly recently) because every few decades there would be an earthquake, fire or tsunami that would destroy it anyway. Even buildings such as temples that purport to be very old are generally made of wood and periodically rebuilt in the exact same form so they are they are “old” in the same sense as the Ship of Theseus was “old”.

    Now in the countryside as the population shrinks and concentrates in the cities there are large # of abandoned homes whose owners have died.

  211. @Redman
    OT: But I thought Steve could take a look at the latest from David Brooks in the Atlantic and give us some thoughts.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/collapsing-levels-trust-are-devastating-america/616581/

    It's mostly about the breakdown of trust in America. Very downbeat. But his call to hope oddly sounds a lot like segregation. America should become more like Queens, or something. A brief mention of immigration (one sentence in a very long piece) but without any discussion on its effect on social trust.

    Replies: @black sea

    David Brooks must be getting paid by the word.

  212. anon[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @Veracitor
    @anon

    One reason eating out is such a big Chinese cultural behaviour is that most nice Chinese cuisine is extremely tiresome to prepare. Restaurants exercise large economies of scale in prep and use a lot of specialist labor to feed patrons who would otherwise have to content themselves with what they regard as not-so-nice home cooking.

    Many Western restaurants provide harder-to-make-at-home dishes, of course, but the ratio is a lot less dramatic, which is why so many Western restaurants compete on ambience more than food while Chinese restaurants (real ones, not the Western-oriented PF-Chang’s types) are often spartan dumps yet crowded with patrons. Chinese customers are there to eat, not to enjoy the decor or the service or the entertainment.

    Replies: @Jack D, @anon

    Chinese customers are there to eat, not to enjoy the decor or the service or the entertainment.

    This is a major reason why I rarely go to Asian restaurants. How good can your food taste if you have to eat from dirty dishes or utensils, stare at dirty blank walls and ugly furniture, or worry about how dirty the bathroom will be when you need to go? And don’t even get me started on the service, what service? The rudest waiters. Ambiance, service and cleanliness are every bit as important as the food, and Asians don’t know any of these things if they hit them in the face.

    This is argument enough for banning these people from immigrating here. Importing third worlders equal importing third world problems, like poor hygiene and disgusting eating habits.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @anon

    Good enough. I don't give a damn how the waiter is doing or what he's wearing, and I don't expect him to care about the reverse. I'm there to eat.

    I will say that eating Sichuanese food is way more fun than digesting it, though. If you didn't grow up with a lot of grease, oil, and peppercorns, you'll be spending a lot of quality time with your toilet.

    Replies: @Turned Up Faders

    , @Jack D
    @anon

    That's the great thing about free markets - you vote with your dollars.

    You prefer to eat in a place with fine china, fancy decor, a large cleaning staff and highly trained waiters and are willing to pay for those. Maybe some of the food has been prepped hours or days before and held in the icebox. Maybe the fish was frozen and defrosted. It doesn't make any difference to you as long as it it is nicely presented on the plate. The kitchen is experienced with modern food handling so (hopefully) you won't get sick even if the fish has been dead a really long time (unless they mess up - the guys in the back, who you never see, are all low paid Mexicans and they are not always careful). The food is just one aspect of the "dining out" experience.

    The Chinese customers say "just give me a freshly steamed fish from that tank over there" and don't worry about the rest. His waiter will scoop the live fish from the tank with a net and carry it dripping on the sticky carpet to the kitchen in the back. The Chinese customer's fish will be much fresher than yours and half the price. They are not really worried about sanitation because they know that if you cook a live fish and serve it immediately it's impossible for it to be spoiled - there's no time for the bacteria counts to multiply. And they are glad that they didn't have to pay a high price for that fish.

    So you are happy and the Chinese customer is happy, each in his own way.

  213. @res
    @JimB

    Do you think that has something to do with non-score based test changes? Like removing the analogies questions and changing penalties for guessing.

    Replies: @JimB

    Do you think that has something to do with non-score based test changes? Like removing the analogies questions and changing penalties for guessing.

    I’ve never seen a study of how the new SAT scores correlate with IQ. I recall pre-80s SAT scores having a R squared of higher than 0.8. I think the new SAT is closer to an R squared of 0.5. Which is how Asians are able to continue driving up their scores by grinding harder.

    • Replies: @res
    @JimB

    One good statement on this is Mensa not accepting SAT results for membership after the 1995 recentering. They also dropped the threshold for membership from 1300 to 1250 in 1974.
    https://manasotamensa.com/us-mensa-qualifying-test-scores/

    Frey and Detterman 2004 is the best paper I know on this topic (any other suggestions?). They look at the pre and post-recentering SAT using two different methods. Note how big a difference their correction for restricted range makes for the post result.
    Scholastic Assessment or g?
    The Relationship Between the Scholastic Assessment Test and General Cognitive Ability

    https://www.psychologicalscience.org/pdf/ps/Frey.pdf?origin=publication_detail


    ABSTRACT
    There is little evidence showing the relationship between the Scholastic Assessment Test (SAT) and g (general intelligence). This research established the relationship between SAT and g, as well as the appropriateness of the SAT as a measure of g, and examined the SAT as a premorbid measure of intelligence. In Study 1, we used the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth 1979. Measures of g were extracted from the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery and correlated with SAT scores of 917 participants. The resulting correlation was .82 (.86 corrected for nonlinearity). Study 2 investigated the correlation between revised and recentered SAT scores and scores on the Raven’s Advanced Progressive Matrices among 104 undergraduates. The resulting correlation was .483 (.72 corrected for restricted range). These studies indicate that the SAT is mainly a test of g. We provide equations for converting SAT scores to estimated IQs; such conversion could be useful for estimating premorbid IQ or conducting individual difference research with college students.
     

    Replies: @JimB

  214. @Corn
    @Twinkie


    Gone are the days of rich, successful sons marrying pretty and trim (and grateful) daughters of poorer neighbors next door (which enhances social cohesion and upward mobility). Lawyers and doctors no longer marry para-legals/secretaries and nurses – they marry other lawyers and doctors, in part because of scarcity of desirable women among the lower classes.
     
    True. A couple different things at work here. Due to women’s lib there are now more female execs and doctors and lawyers for those male doctors and lawyers to marry.

    Coupled with that is our society’s more permissive attitude towards sex. Nowadays if a doctor meets a sweet nurse he won’t marry her. He’ll just shag her until another doctor comes along.

    Replies: @black sea

    Nowadays if a doctor meets a sweet nurse he won’t marry her. He’ll just shag her until another doctor comes along.

    I know a doctor whose first wife was an attorney. Pretty much the stereotype of the competitive, maniacally driven, combative bitch, which evidently made her pretty good at her work. His friends, in an indirect manner, sort of asked why he chose her (in a addition to being a doctor, he’s quite tall, quite intelligent — though a bit nuts — and at least used to be a talented athlete). He said he wanted to marry someone similar enough to be able to match up to him.

    I won’t go into the details, but the marriage turned out to be a train wreck, and after his divorce, he wised up and married a nurse. Much better outcome the second time around. I guess assortative mating doesn’t always work.

  215. @Jack D
    @hhsiii

    I don't want to brag, but yes. I did about the same on the LSAT.

    Replies: @black sea

    “I don’t want to brag, but that’s never stopped me from bragging.”

    ps: I value your comments and insights, but I just couldn’t resist.

  216. @anon
    @Anonymous

    I don't know, I kinda think they might be better than our current Jewish overlords, at least the East Asians. Indians are too much like Jews, scheming, chest-thumping, clannish, left wing...only not as bright. America does not need or want to become the next India. The most left-wing political nuts in my area are all Indian.

    East Asians aren't likely to cook up BS like "Critical Race Theory" or put up with crap from blacks, or go into endless wars for Israel. But they have the same problem as the Germans, hard working, peaceful, upwardly mobile, mostly law-abiding, but not very interested in politics or leadership. The smart ones all prefer to go into private industries, leaving politics to the dumb Kool-Aid drinkers like Ted Lieu, Mazie Hirono or Tammy Duckworth.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    You think Asians aren’t into scheming?

    LOL.

    They may not be extroverted, but they can give the Jews and Indians a pretty good run for their money when it comes to running a complex scheme.

    With regards to their ethics, East Asians are extremely different from Germans. Though both groups are apolitical and industrious.

  217. @A British Indian
    @Twinkie

    Do you have a source for that assimilation index?

    In Britain, Indians residentially integrate better than the Black African, Black Caribbean, Pakistani and Bangladeshi groups. Their Index of Dissimilarity score is similar to that of Whites.

    What’s interesting is that British Chinese individuals and families are very geographically dispersed, meaning that their Dissimilarity Score is far lower than all the other ethnic groups.

    http://www.integrationhub.net/module/do-we-live-together-or-apart-residential-patterns/

    Also, British Indians are far more likely to vote for the centre-right Conservative Party than other ethnic minority groups: 40% voted Tory in the 2017 general election, and they were only 10 points behind Labour among British Indians in a poll taken in November 2019.

    By contrast, apart from Black Africans (around 15% of whom voted Conservative in 2017), less than 10% of other ethnic minority groups vote Conservative, though we don’t have any detailed analysis of British Chinese voting patterns.

    When it comes to relationships, 43% of Afro-Caribbean and 31% of Chinese people are in inter-ethnic relationships, compared with 22% of Black Africans, 12% of Indians, 9% of Pakistanis, 7% of Bangladeshis and 4% of Whites.

    http://www.integrationhub.net/module/society-integration-and-everyday-life/

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Do you have a source for that assimilation index?

    https://media4.manhattan-institute.org/pdf/cr_76.pdf

  218. @Twinkie
    @Bill P


    Has anyone noticed how much rarer attractive women are among whites today compared to 30 years ago? I don’t think it’s my middle-aged libido creating a false impression, because it’s clear that a lot of them could look pretty good if they lost 40 lbs., lasered off their tattooes, dressed reasonably well and/or had a full set of teeth.
     
    Trimness - esp. among women - is now a class marker. Audacious Epigone posted weight gain among whites over the past several decades, and lower class category women were notable in gaining the most (lower class men gained more than upper class men, but the disparity was less severe than that among different classes of women).

    This is exacerbating the already existing tendency toward assortative marriage by class/education. Gone are the days of rich, successful sons marrying pretty and trim (and grateful) daughters of poorer neighbors next door (which enhances social cohesion and upward mobility). Lawyers and doctors no longer marry para-legals/secretaries and nurses - they marry other lawyers and doctors, in part because of scarcity of desirable women among the lower classes.

    Replies: @anon, @Jack D, @Corn, @nebulafox

    What this also leads to is a distinct lack of incentives for the bottom quarter of men (and 1/4th of any group is always going to be at the bottom) to man up and bust their butts to try and secure a family. If the “winners” are going to be given 300 pound ladies who possibly already have kids in exchange for working their asses off at sucky jobs for 60+ hours a week, then a lot of these guys are going to opt out, even before we get to divorce law realities and the lack of automatic social respect that being a paterfamilias used to have in the American mainstream. They’ll do what they need to do to keep themselves alive, and beyond that, whatever the hell they please. Enough men choosing to do that can be a bit of a problem, especially if they are none too happy about the whole affair.

    I’m not saying this to excuse loserdom, imply that bottom-tier men are prizes themselves, or to say that people are at fault for being repelled by losers: that’s just human nature, and probably a very healthy facet of that. Ultimately, part of being a man is realizing that nobody is going to give you anything and that fighting does have a nobility and tangential positive effects in itself, even if you are going up against harsh odds. But one thing that I’ve noticed people who have lived their entire lives in the top quarter of skills, talent, attractiveness, social capital, etc really tend to not understand is that social stigmatization can only go so far before the bluff is called in an age of hyper-individualism. Somebody with little social capital and little realistic foreseeable chances of gaining any is unlikely to be persuaded by society yelling “MANCHILD” at ever higher decibels, and you can’t just say “No, we don’t mean you, the message was not meant for you, now go to church, work hard, buy a house you yourself don’t care about, and put a ring on that single mother”.

    And in the end, for all the power women tend to hold in the courtship game, it is going to be the men who choose whether to play the game at all or not. No amount of propaganda can convince the overwhelming majority of women that they don’t want families. Men are a lot more able to detach themselves from that if they feel it isn’t going to be worth it, or worse, that they are being played for suckers and will likely end up working hard for nothing. In the end, nobody wins when dating becomes just another free market rather than a societal collaboration.

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh, John Regan
    • Thanks: black sea
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @nebulafox

    The end result is this:

    https://youtu.be/qAxQltlGodA

  219. @anon
    @Veracitor


    Chinese customers are there to eat, not to enjoy the decor or the service or the entertainment.
     
    This is a major reason why I rarely go to Asian restaurants. How good can your food taste if you have to eat from dirty dishes or utensils, stare at dirty blank walls and ugly furniture, or worry about how dirty the bathroom will be when you need to go? And don't even get me started on the service, what service? The rudest waiters. Ambiance, service and cleanliness are every bit as important as the food, and Asians don't know any of these things if they hit them in the face.

    This is argument enough for banning these people from immigrating here. Importing third worlders equal importing third world problems, like poor hygiene and disgusting eating habits.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Jack D

    Good enough. I don’t give a damn how the waiter is doing or what he’s wearing, and I don’t expect him to care about the reverse. I’m there to eat.

    I will say that eating Sichuanese food is way more fun than digesting it, though. If you didn’t grow up with a lot of grease, oil, and peppercorns, you’ll be spending a lot of quality time with your toilet.

    • Replies: @Turned Up Faders
    @nebulafox

    Spoken like a true bowl-cut Asian robot.

  220. @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    What this also leads to is a distinct lack of incentives for the bottom quarter of men (and 1/4th of any group is always going to be at the bottom) to man up and bust their butts to try and secure a family. If the "winners" are going to be given 300 pound ladies who possibly already have kids in exchange for working their asses off at sucky jobs for 60+ hours a week, then a lot of these guys are going to opt out, even before we get to divorce law realities and the lack of automatic social respect that being a paterfamilias used to have in the American mainstream. They'll do what they need to do to keep themselves alive, and beyond that, whatever the hell they please. Enough men choosing to do that can be a bit of a problem, especially if they are none too happy about the whole affair.

    I'm not saying this to excuse loserdom, imply that bottom-tier men are prizes themselves, or to say that people are at fault for being repelled by losers: that's just human nature, and probably a very healthy facet of that. Ultimately, part of being a man is realizing that nobody is going to give you anything and that fighting does have a nobility and tangential positive effects in itself, even if you are going up against harsh odds. But one thing that I've noticed people who have lived their entire lives in the top quarter of skills, talent, attractiveness, social capital, etc really tend to not understand is that social stigmatization can only go so far before the bluff is called in an age of hyper-individualism. Somebody with little social capital and little realistic foreseeable chances of gaining any is unlikely to be persuaded by society yelling "MANCHILD" at ever higher decibels, and you can't just say "No, we don't mean you, the message was not meant for you, now go to church, work hard, buy a house you yourself don't care about, and put a ring on that single mother".

    And in the end, for all the power women tend to hold in the courtship game, it is going to be the men who choose whether to play the game at all or not. No amount of propaganda can convince the overwhelming majority of women that they don't want families. Men are a lot more able to detach themselves from that if they feel it isn't going to be worth it, or worse, that they are being played for suckers and will likely end up working hard for nothing. In the end, nobody wins when dating becomes just another free market rather than a societal collaboration.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    The end result is this:

  221. @Lot
    @PiltdownMan

    ethnicity of 2020 Nobel Physics Winners "for the discovery that black hole formation is a robust prediction of the general theory of relativity"

    50% winner: Roger Penrose: 75% British Isles, 25% Russian Jewish

    25% winner: Reinhard Genzel: likely 100% Germanic

    25% winner: Andrea Mia Ghez: 50% mostly British generic white American, 50% Jewish, which in turn is 50% Tunis-Sephardic and 50% Bavarian-Ashkenazi

    All three winners come from illustrious intellectual families.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    All three winners come from illustrious intellectual families.

    And how. Roger Penrose’s brother Jonathan was the UK chess champion for ten years, another brother is an emeritus professor of mathematics, sister a noted geneticist, and his father Lionel Penrose, was the Francis Galton professor of Eugenics at University College, London. The maternal grandfathers was a big deal, too. Reinhard Genzel’s dad, Ludwig, was a big name in solid state physics. Andrea Ghez’s father was a professor and her mother the director of an art museum in Chicago.

  222. @AaronB
    Actually a pretty good essay.

    I thought it would be the usual HBD Asians are innately smarter (even though this is an essay about changing scores) essay, but Sailer actually manages to touch on all the right points.

    1) Decline in white motivation (good to finally see motivation being listed as a major factor in IQ-style tests)

    2) Massive amounts of Asian test prep (good to see a move away from "pure talent" and a recognition that effort matters)

    3) Asian cheating.

    4) A call to examine the test industry. Surely needed.

    When Asian scores are rising dramatically, but there has been no comparable rise in Asian performance in the real world, we ought to question our tests.

    Its the same thing with IQ.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    I take it your test scores are disappointing.

  223. @Steve Sailer
    @A British Indian

    Is Amar Bose, the half-Indian-American founder of the Bose Corporation, related to the famous Indian Boses? I have two giant Bose speakers I bought in 1983 sitting in my driveway that I need to figure out how to throw away. Maybe one at a time would fit in a garbage can...

    Replies: @A British Indian, @The Alarmist, @peterike, @Gordo, @kikz, @YetAnotherAnon, @North Carolina Resident, @JimB

    I have two giant Bose speakers I bought in 1983 sitting in my driveway that I need to figure out how to throw away. Maybe one at a time would fit in a garbage can…

    Back over them with your car. Do they fit in the trash? Yes. Put them in the trash. No? Drive forward over them. Do they fit in the trash? Yes. Put them in the trash. No? Back over them with your car…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @JimB

    I think I'd need a Ford F-350 to back over my old Bose speakers with my vehicle. These are really big 1983-sized speakers, practically the size of the ones Judge Reinhold is about to sell to some stoner in "Outrageous Fortune" with the sales pitch "And when you die, you can be buried in them!" until he sees the guy's pregnant girlfriend, so Judge points him to some shelf-sized speakers that will work fine in his upcoming lifestyle.

    Replies: @Jack D

  224. @JimB
    @Steve Sailer


    I have two giant Bose speakers I bought in 1983 sitting in my driveway that I need to figure out how to throw away. Maybe one at a time would fit in a garbage can…
     
    Back over them with your car. Do they fit in the trash? Yes. Put them in the trash. No? Drive forward over them. Do they fit in the trash? Yes. Put them in the trash. No? Back over them with your car...

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I think I’d need a Ford F-350 to back over my old Bose speakers with my vehicle. These are really big 1983-sized speakers, practically the size of the ones Judge Reinhold is about to sell to some stoner in “Outrageous Fortune” with the sales pitch “And when you die, you can be buried in them!” until he sees the guy’s pregnant girlfriend, so Judge points him to some shelf-sized speakers that will work fine in his upcoming lifestyle.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Steve Sailer

    Jim B is on the right track. The speakers are mostly air surrounded by a shell of cheap particleboard. Don't back over them with your car but go at them with whatever demolition tools you have - a sledgehammer, a crowbar, even a regular hammer and a big screwdriver. Pry at the seams. Probably the front and the back will come out easier first. Once they are out you can stomp on the 4 sides to break them apart. Once they break into 6 flat pieces you'll be surprised at how little space they occupy in your trash can.

  225. @nebulafox
    @anon

    Good enough. I don't give a damn how the waiter is doing or what he's wearing, and I don't expect him to care about the reverse. I'm there to eat.

    I will say that eating Sichuanese food is way more fun than digesting it, though. If you didn't grow up with a lot of grease, oil, and peppercorns, you'll be spending a lot of quality time with your toilet.

    Replies: @Turned Up Faders

    Spoken like a true bowl-cut Asian robot.

  226. @Anon
    @The Alarmist

    No one will take Bose speakers.
    You have to find a dumpster.

    I'm a regular contributor here and I had to go anon for this post. That's how intense the shame is.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    it’s called Fly-tipping and it is illegal, particularly with toxic waste.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @The Alarmist

    Fly-tipping is UK speak. If you say fly-tipping in the US people will give you blank looks. Why would you tip a fly?

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  227. @Anonymous Jew
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I grew up in Seattle and would say they’re generally good looking, particularly compared to other mixed-race combos. Compare Wasian women to Mestizo or Mulatto women. Not even close. Wasians do miss out on some of the character and vibrant colors (blue eyes etc) of Europeans. On the other hand, they seem more likely than any other group to be able to turn ugly parents into attractive children. Perhaps because some of the extreme features of both races get softened out, giving Whites like Derbyshire and pie-faced Chinese a greater chance of having attractive offspring. As with any group, the mix doesn’t always work out.

    Mate selection is a very personal matter, and unless someone is a lifelong best friend or sibling I would never comment on someone’s prerogative in this area. At the same time, I think there is value to keeping unique peoples unique. Whether Igbo or Swedish, but especially Europeans. But yeah, if you’re gonna mix you can do a lot worse than Wasians.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    At the same time, I think there is value to keeping unique peoples unique. Whether Igbo or Swedish, but especially Europeans.

    Amen.

  228. @anon
    @Veracitor


    Chinese customers are there to eat, not to enjoy the decor or the service or the entertainment.
     
    This is a major reason why I rarely go to Asian restaurants. How good can your food taste if you have to eat from dirty dishes or utensils, stare at dirty blank walls and ugly furniture, or worry about how dirty the bathroom will be when you need to go? And don't even get me started on the service, what service? The rudest waiters. Ambiance, service and cleanliness are every bit as important as the food, and Asians don't know any of these things if they hit them in the face.

    This is argument enough for banning these people from immigrating here. Importing third worlders equal importing third world problems, like poor hygiene and disgusting eating habits.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Jack D

    That’s the great thing about free markets – you vote with your dollars.

    You prefer to eat in a place with fine china, fancy decor, a large cleaning staff and highly trained waiters and are willing to pay for those. Maybe some of the food has been prepped hours or days before and held in the icebox. Maybe the fish was frozen and defrosted. It doesn’t make any difference to you as long as it it is nicely presented on the plate. The kitchen is experienced with modern food handling so (hopefully) you won’t get sick even if the fish has been dead a really long time (unless they mess up – the guys in the back, who you never see, are all low paid Mexicans and they are not always careful). The food is just one aspect of the “dining out” experience.

    The Chinese customers say “just give me a freshly steamed fish from that tank over there” and don’t worry about the rest. His waiter will scoop the live fish from the tank with a net and carry it dripping on the sticky carpet to the kitchen in the back. The Chinese customer’s fish will be much fresher than yours and half the price. They are not really worried about sanitation because they know that if you cook a live fish and serve it immediately it’s impossible for it to be spoiled – there’s no time for the bacteria counts to multiply. And they are glad that they didn’t have to pay a high price for that fish.

    So you are happy and the Chinese customer is happy, each in his own way.

  229. @The Alarmist
    @Anon

    it's called Fly-tipping and it is illegal, particularly with toxic waste.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Fly-tipping is UK speak. If you say fly-tipping in the US people will give you blank looks. Why would you tip a fly?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Jack D

    Because in the US, people tip cows. It’s much more fun.

  230. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Steve Sailer

    "I have two giant Bose speakers I bought in 1983 sitting in my driveway"

    Don't you have anything like Freecycle (a site for people who either want free stuff or have it to give away) in the US?

    Vintage speakers can still fetch something on eBay, too.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Postal costs are the killer there.

    Plus you can never be sure they won’t arrive smashed to pieces courtesy of the courier.

  231. @Steve Sailer
    @JimB

    I think I'd need a Ford F-350 to back over my old Bose speakers with my vehicle. These are really big 1983-sized speakers, practically the size of the ones Judge Reinhold is about to sell to some stoner in "Outrageous Fortune" with the sales pitch "And when you die, you can be buried in them!" until he sees the guy's pregnant girlfriend, so Judge points him to some shelf-sized speakers that will work fine in his upcoming lifestyle.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Jim B is on the right track. The speakers are mostly air surrounded by a shell of cheap particleboard. Don’t back over them with your car but go at them with whatever demolition tools you have – a sledgehammer, a crowbar, even a regular hammer and a big screwdriver. Pry at the seams. Probably the front and the back will come out easier first. Once they are out you can stomp on the 4 sides to break them apart. Once they break into 6 flat pieces you’ll be surprised at how little space they occupy in your trash can.

  232. @JimB
    @res


    Do you think that has something to do with non-score based test changes? Like removing the analogies questions and changing penalties for guessing.
     
    I’ve never seen a study of how the new SAT scores correlate with IQ. I recall pre-80s SAT scores having a R squared of higher than 0.8. I think the new SAT is closer to an R squared of 0.5. Which is how Asians are able to continue driving up their scores by grinding harder.

    Replies: @res

    One good statement on this is Mensa not accepting SAT results for membership after the 1995 recentering. They also dropped the threshold for membership from 1300 to 1250 in 1974.
    https://manasotamensa.com/us-mensa-qualifying-test-scores/

    Frey and Detterman 2004 is the best paper I know on this topic (any other suggestions?). They look at the pre and post-recentering SAT using two different methods. Note how big a difference their correction for restricted range makes for the post result.
    Scholastic Assessment or g?
    The Relationship Between the Scholastic Assessment Test and General Cognitive Ability

    https://www.psychologicalscience.org/pdf/ps/Frey.pdf?origin=publication_detail

    ABSTRACT
    There is little evidence showing the relationship between the Scholastic Assessment Test (SAT) and g (general intelligence). This research established the relationship between SAT and g, as well as the appropriateness of the SAT as a measure of g, and examined the SAT as a premorbid measure of intelligence. In Study 1, we used the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth 1979. Measures of g were extracted from the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery and correlated with SAT scores of 917 participants. The resulting correlation was .82 (.86 corrected for nonlinearity). Study 2 investigated the correlation between revised and recentered SAT scores and scores on the Raven’s Advanced Progressive Matrices among 104 undergraduates. The resulting correlation was .483 (.72 corrected for restricted range). These studies indicate that the SAT is mainly a test of g. We provide equations for converting SAT scores to estimated IQs; such conversion could be useful for estimating premorbid IQ or conducting individual difference research with college students.

    • Replies: @JimB
    @res

    Thank you. I’m pleased that I correctly remembered the pre and post centering SAT correlations. It really does explain the rise of Asian performance on the SAT. East Asians are obsessive competitors on tests, and there is no Chinese character for “good enough.”

  233. @Jack D
    @The Alarmist

    Fly-tipping is UK speak. If you say fly-tipping in the US people will give you blank looks. Why would you tip a fly?

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Because in the US, people tip cows. It’s much more fun.

  234. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    What's the deal now with blowjobs in California? (Asking for a friend.)

    Replies: @Questore

    CA BJ CV = DA AG VP.

  235. @res
    @JimB

    One good statement on this is Mensa not accepting SAT results for membership after the 1995 recentering. They also dropped the threshold for membership from 1300 to 1250 in 1974.
    https://manasotamensa.com/us-mensa-qualifying-test-scores/

    Frey and Detterman 2004 is the best paper I know on this topic (any other suggestions?). They look at the pre and post-recentering SAT using two different methods. Note how big a difference their correction for restricted range makes for the post result.
    Scholastic Assessment or g?
    The Relationship Between the Scholastic Assessment Test and General Cognitive Ability

    https://www.psychologicalscience.org/pdf/ps/Frey.pdf?origin=publication_detail


    ABSTRACT
    There is little evidence showing the relationship between the Scholastic Assessment Test (SAT) and g (general intelligence). This research established the relationship between SAT and g, as well as the appropriateness of the SAT as a measure of g, and examined the SAT as a premorbid measure of intelligence. In Study 1, we used the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth 1979. Measures of g were extracted from the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery and correlated with SAT scores of 917 participants. The resulting correlation was .82 (.86 corrected for nonlinearity). Study 2 investigated the correlation between revised and recentered SAT scores and scores on the Raven’s Advanced Progressive Matrices among 104 undergraduates. The resulting correlation was .483 (.72 corrected for restricted range). These studies indicate that the SAT is mainly a test of g. We provide equations for converting SAT scores to estimated IQs; such conversion could be useful for estimating premorbid IQ or conducting individual difference research with college students.
     

    Replies: @JimB

    Thank you. I’m pleased that I correctly remembered the pre and post centering SAT correlations. It really does explain the rise of Asian performance on the SAT. East Asians are obsessive competitors on tests, and there is no Chinese character for “good enough.”

  236. @indocon
    One thing to keep in mind is that we have reached the tail end of the modern scientific age, there has been no new light bulb like invention since the role out of cell phones in 1990's, anything that passes for innovation these days is packaging old wine in new bottle like cloud computing or Uber. As such the value off scoring high on entrance exams to get a leg up will be much less in the future, I already see that in Silicon-valley where white kids from small liberal arts colleges that nobody has ever heard off are doing pretty well in managerial ranks of companies, probably because of their already built referral networks. If the scientific age was continuing and we were rolling out new industries, the value of these test scores is higher because it creates opportunities for new entrants where existing networks don't exist.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    there has been no new light bulb like invention since the role out of cell phones in 1990’s, anything that passes for innovation these days is packaging old wine in new bottle like cloud computing or Uber.

    Correct.

    The low and mid-hanging technological fruit has been picked. All we can expect are incremental evolutions of existing tech…

    …unless there is an enormous breakthrough in cold fusion, AI, room-temp superconductors, solar-cell efficiency, or something along those lines we are nearing the limits of what is permitted by the laws of physics with existing technology.

    • Replies: @indocon
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Unless some nerdy white kid in Midwest like Charles Hall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martin_Hall) is cooking up a new way to make solar cells or batteries, I see none of the potential breakthroughs you mentioned happening, simply because they have been on the scene for over 50 years in one form or the other and all we have seen is incremental improvement.

  237. @Anon
    @Anon7

    The Bay Area economy provides a 100-year natural experiment in the cultural strengths and weaknesses of the Chinese. I've personally witnessed a few decades of this.

    Silicon Valley is ideally suited to Chinese high mathematical intelligence and low extraversion. For a variety of reasons, the local Chinese have a giant leg up over Upper Caste Indian immigrants and Americans from the hinterlands. You cannot create a more ideal environment for the Chinese to thrive in business. Yet, they have a muted overall impact in tech. I'm guessing the ratio of Brahmins to Chinese is 20x per capita in executives, and 50x per capita in startup founders.

    On a more personal level, the most talented ethnic Chinese I have worked with are either from Taiwan or disproportionately members of the CCP. For the latter group, it is not by chance they are in the US. The CCP holistically prescreens candidates. Further, the willingness to travel to the US is another filter on overall industriousness. Chinese tech giants -- which for the most part are state-sponsored US clones bolstered by a huge domestic market -- are the end product of the CCP revolving door in US tech.

    The Chinese who do particularly well in tech typically stick to mathematical R&D-type roles, often in machine learning or deep learning, and often an extension of a PhD.

    Of the well-rounded, Americanized Chinese I know personally, there is still an obvious IQ differential compared to Whites. Nonetheless, they seem to gravitate towards respectable well-paying professions, but never entrepreneurship. If they do, it will be a dental or medical practice.

    Suspect that in order for the Chinese to operate at the same level of Whites -- even lower IQ Whites -- they will need to be motivated by a greater communal cause, hence "The Chinese Century" rhetoric by the CCP. Without it, most Chinese simply revert to their natural instincts, which is to lead a good comfortable family-oriented life, but one that does not push societal boundaries in any meaningful way.

    It is worth comparing histories of Caucasians vs Chinese. The Caucasians conquered and explored their way out the The Caucasus several thousand years ago. During this time, the Chinese stayed put. This probably speaks to pre-existing genetic differences -- and thousands of years of subsequent genetic pressures -- that are bigger than any one standardized test.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    the most talented ethnic Chinese I have worked with are either from Taiwan

    People in the US really don’t realize how far above its weight Taiwan punches in the tech industry.

    • Replies: @anon
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Construction begins in 2021 on a new $12 billion dollar semiconductor fab in Arizona. It's not going to be an Intel plant.

    https://www.scmp.com/tech/gear/article/3084491/tsmc-build-us12-billion-chip-plant-arizona-us-government-support

    It is Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp. I believe it is their first fab ever built off the island.

    Replies: @indocon

  238. @Jack D
    @Bardon Kaldian

    People who are 50% black always come out looking black but Hapas can range in appearance from almost fully European looking to almost fully Asian looking to various blends in between, some of which are felicitous and some of which are less so. On average, I would say that they are not a bad looking bunch and the best can be quite stunning. Asian women tend to be very (cough) slim on top and tend to suffer from flat face syndrome but not all Eurasian women have that problem.

    Replies: @Anon

    A flat face is a characteristic of female beauty; convex faces and prominent noses are masculine attributes.

    Asian female facial composites are rated as more attractive than European female composites across multiple peer-reviewed studies.

  239. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Anon


    the most talented ethnic Chinese I have worked with are either from Taiwan
     
    People in the US really don't realize how far above its weight Taiwan punches in the tech industry.

    Replies: @anon

    Construction begins in 2021 on a new $12 billion dollar semiconductor fab in Arizona. It’s not going to be an Intel plant.

    https://www.scmp.com/tech/gear/article/3084491/tsmc-build-us12-billion-chip-plant-arizona-us-government-support

    It is Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp. I believe it is their first fab ever built off the island.

    • Replies: @indocon
    @anon

    The chance of China invading Taiwan is very real, most Taiwanese companies should be or already are establishing strong bases overseas for their own sake.

  240. @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @hhsiii

    Not sure that the maximum score on each GRE section was 800, at least not back in the 1980s when I took it. Can any of our resident spergs confirm?

    I'm also very skeptical that a 720 was the second highest math score at Choate. It was an unremarkable score at my (admittedly excellent) public high school.

    Replies: @hhsiii

    https://www.qsleap.com/gre/resources/old-gre-to-new-gre-score-conversion

    Yes GRE was 800 scale back then.

    I may be wrong about the Choate math scores. It’s how I recall it. There were a few you’d think scored better, but it was much more verbal oriented. More for folks who couldn’t get into Andover or Exeter (me included).

  241. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @indocon


    there has been no new light bulb like invention since the role out of cell phones in 1990’s, anything that passes for innovation these days is packaging old wine in new bottle like cloud computing or Uber.
     
    Correct.

    The low and mid-hanging technological fruit has been picked. All we can expect are incremental evolutions of existing tech...

    ...unless there is an enormous breakthrough in cold fusion, AI, room-temp superconductors, solar-cell efficiency, or something along those lines we are nearing the limits of what is permitted by the laws of physics with existing technology.

    Replies: @indocon

    Unless some nerdy white kid in Midwest like Charles Hall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martin_Hall) is cooking up a new way to make solar cells or batteries, I see none of the potential breakthroughs you mentioned happening, simply because they have been on the scene for over 50 years in one form or the other and all we have seen is incremental improvement.

  242. @anon
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Construction begins in 2021 on a new $12 billion dollar semiconductor fab in Arizona. It's not going to be an Intel plant.

    https://www.scmp.com/tech/gear/article/3084491/tsmc-build-us12-billion-chip-plant-arizona-us-government-support

    It is Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp. I believe it is their first fab ever built off the island.

    Replies: @indocon

    The chance of China invading Taiwan is very real, most Taiwanese companies should be or already are establishing strong bases overseas for their own sake.

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