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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

As the evidence continues to mount that 2020’s record growth in murders was mostly due to “BLM” meaning, in practice, Black Lives Murdered, it’s worth reviewing one of the more subtle reasons why so many people can’t think clearly about America’s murder problem.

Besides the obvious partisan, moralistic, and antiwhite racist causes for why numerous people can’t incorporate into their worldview the important fact that blacks, who make up 13.4 percent of the population, commit the majority of murders (blacks were 55.9 percent of known murder offenders in the FBI’s 2019 statistics), one particular cause of brain fog involves the category of “mass shootings.”

Mass shootings are followed by the media, so you don’t have to wait around for the FBI to announce the official murder stats next September. Thus, they are useful in tracking what is happening on America’s streets in near real time.

Mass shootings spiked upward spectacularly from late May onward, providing an accurate leading indicator that the media-declared Racial Reckoning was getting a huge number of blacks murdered after George Floyd’s fentanyl-assisted death on Memorial Day. As I reported in early September, in June through August, the number of mass-shooting incidents was 72 percent higher in 2020 than in 2019.

But if you are the kind of smugly cultured person who avoids watching if-it-bleeds-it-leads local news, the only murders you hear about on the carefully curated national news are likely to be mass shootings. And most of the mass shooters you will hear about from NPR are likely to be white men. And, overwhelmingly, the mass shooters whose names become bywords for villainy in the prestige press and echo down through the decades, such as Dylann Roof, are white men. Hence, tens of millions believe that white men are the main murderers.

But when relatively objective sources, such as Mass-Shootings.info, Gun Violence Archive, and Wikipedia, try to make up lists of mass shootings using the rule that four or more victims, whether killed or wounded, equals a mass shooting, they wind up with something that looks quite different: lists dominated by the sheer quantity of black-committed mass shootings. For example, Mass-Shootings.info reports that 73 percent of 2020’s mass shooters who have been charged are black. (Due to low clearance rates in black neighborhoods, the real percentage is likely even higher.)

Even if you try to be honest, it’s still easy to become confused because there are two fundamentally different types of mass shootings …

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. Well, as you’ve pointed out, Steve, no one in the media cares if black people kill each other.
    And, let’s face it, the media won’t report anything counter-narrative, even if it would help reduce the problem they claim to be worried about.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe, fish
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Redneck farmer

    Exactly. There is a religious fanaticism aimed towards the enslavement and extermination of whites that rivals any religious fanaticism in human history. It's only going to get bloodier aa time goes on.

    If the Miller killer really was the victim of pervasive racial abuse for years then that is an important detail to note in the overall story of the massacre. (Of course, he might have fabricated most or all of it. The entire incentive structure of our society gives unscrupulous blacks many reasons to lie about being victims of racism, and virtually no reasons not to lie.)

    But, needless to say, Dylann Roof surely never received such a sympathetic eulogy from the (((press,))) even though he himself admits that his actions were the direct result of the anti-white crusade that really began in 2012 under the leadership of “Fellow Black Person” Barack Obama.

    As someone in the comments succinctly summed up:

    White person kills blacks: white supremacy to blame

    Black person kills whites: white supremacy to blame

    And now the new narrative is that when blacks murder Asians… you guessed it… White supremacy (led by Bad Orange Man) is still to blame!

    We really could have some semblance of racial harmony in this country, if the tribe and their shabbos goyim weren’t working so diligently to divide us.

    , @Marty
    @Redneck farmer

    In other words, the best thing for black health would be if everybody started sniggering about them again.

    , @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    @Redneck farmer

    "Well, as you’ve pointed out, Steve, no one in the media cares if black people kill each other."

    Then that would be the only thing the l'chaimstream media and I have in common.

    , @Forbes
    @Redneck farmer

    I doubt it really matters how much information (data, facts, analysis) Steve provides.

    There is a significant portion of the white population (and others, too) who view black behavior and their adverse outcomes, and conclude it is per se the fault of whites. No amount of data, facts, or analysis will overcome these opinions.

  2. Great piece of original research!

    Does Dave Chappelle read iSteve?

  3. @Redneck farmer
    Well, as you've pointed out, Steve, no one in the media cares if black people kill each other.
    And, let's face it, the media won't report anything counter-narrative, even if it would help reduce the problem they claim to be worried about.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Marty, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @Forbes

    Exactly. There is a religious fanaticism aimed towards the enslavement and extermination of whites that rivals any religious fanaticism in human history. It’s only going to get bloodier aa time goes on.

    If the Miller killer really was the victim of pervasive racial abuse for years then that is an important detail to note in the overall story of the massacre. (Of course, he might have fabricated most or all of it. The entire incentive structure of our society gives unscrupulous blacks many reasons to lie about being victims of racism, and virtually no reasons not to lie.)

    But, needless to say, Dylann Roof surely never received such a sympathetic eulogy from the (((press,))) even though he himself admits that his actions were the direct result of the anti-white crusade that really began in 2012 under the leadership of “Fellow Black Person” Barack Obama.

    As someone in the comments succinctly summed up:

    White person kills blacks: white supremacy to blame

    Black person kills whites: white supremacy to blame

    And now the new narrative is that when blacks murder Asians… you guessed it… White supremacy (led by Bad Orange Man) is still to blame!

    We really could have some semblance of racial harmony in this country, if the tribe and their shabbos goyim weren’t working so diligently to divide us.

  4. What Steve doesn’t get is that the true statistics on the racial breakdown of homicides in the US are perfectly well-known to people in law enforcement, in the prison system, to the legal professions, to the courts, to the FBI, to criminologists, and to politicians and decision makers.

    However it is also true that the mass media do not dwell on the number of murders committed by blacks as this would be considered to be inflammatory and more likely to incite racial hatred.

    In the case of commercial TV news stations, their primary objective is to deliver eyeballs to advertisers, not to deliver accurate news.

    In the case of NPR radio, the primary objective is not to lose further government funding and commercial and foundation sponsorship.

    In general the American public is extremely poorly informed about most political issues, which is an even bigger concern, as far as the survival of democracy is concerned.

    A solution is not simply to inform blacks that they need to stop killing each other, but to get an ever larger number of blacks into the middle classes with middle class values. In general programs like enhanced hiring in government jobs do help to move in this direction but the progress is very slow.

    • Disagree: Abolish_public_education
    • LOL: europeasant
    • Troll: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Jonathan Mason


    A solution is not simply to inform blacks that they need to stop killing each other, but to get an ever larger number of blacks into the middle classes with middle class values.

     

    I believe that's been tried already, for quite some time. Blacks last I checked appear to police each other to 'stop acting white'. Perhaps middle class values are too alien to most of them.
    , @ic1000
    @Jonathan Mason

    I appreciate your two comments (this one and the subsequent one, timestamped 11:36 am GMT). You're one of the few non-dissident non-idiots to comment here. You don't come across as a rocket surgeon (but neither do I). Since most people are about average in insight, your perspective is valuable.

    > What Steve doesn’t get

    Oh, Steve gets it just fine. Even us median readers get it.

    > is that the true statistics on the racial breakdown of homicides in the US are perfectly well-known to people in law enforcement, in the prison system, to the legal professions, to the courts, to the FBI, to criminologists, and to politicians and decision makers.

    Quite so, although temper that with the "political correctness makes you stupid" aphorism.

    > However it is also true that the mass media do not dwell on the number of murders committed by blacks as this would be considered to be inflammatory and more likely to incite racial hatred.

    As somebody who watches NBC Nightly News With Lester Holt to the extent I can tolerate it: I agree. To improve your notion by rephrasing it in the active voice -- mainstream reporters, showrunners, editors, and publishers believe that accurate reporting on violence committed by blacks would be inflammatory and likely to incite racial hatred of blacks by white people.

    I'd express it this way: Mainstream elites and their left-wing and PoC auxiliaries claim that non-elite non-lefty whites -- i.e. middle-class, working-class, and conservative whites -- are uniquely bigoted. They Can't Handle The Truth. It's the Devil's work to do anything other than (as Mollie Ball put it) striving to fortify democracy by misleading these proto-white-supremacists. ("Mislead," because it's against journalistic ethics to outright lie.)

    > A solution is not simply to inform blacks that they need to stop killing each other

    Anybody who has read this far into the comments is quite aware of Sailer's policy prescription on this point. Why do you prefer a Straw Man paraphrase? It's not that much work to copy-paste a pithy quote.

    This is particularly precious to me, thanks to NBC News. Last week provided plenty of examples of "avoiding inflammatory reporting." Lester Holt's team repeatedly celebrated Asian-American activists fighting back against the racist attacks on the elderly in their community. "Inspiring America" (Lester's words) by uniting with fellow oppressed PoCs and rallying around the BLM flag.

    It's too bad that there aren't more videos, mug shots, eyewitness accounts, etc. that could shed some light on which whites are behind these attacks, and exactly what part of their supremacist ideology drives them to this dastardly violence. But while we're waiting, let's defend our Asian neighbors by ever-more-forcefully denouncing these white Wreckers. I hear (though not from NBC News) that Smith College is full of them!

    > but to get an ever larger number of blacks into the middle classes with middle class values. In general programs like enhanced hiring in government jobs do help to move in this direction but the progress is very slow.

    Uh huh. Last I heard, it may take as long as twenty-five years!

    Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    , @El Dato
    @Jonathan Mason

    This is all non-controversial except for the "hiring in government jobs".

    1) Government "in the West" is feral and drain-circling enough as it is.
    2) I have this feeling there will be a lot less of government jobs going forward, if sanity follows necessity. Or a lot more, depending on whether "socialist" ideology becomes more prevalent and "pretending to be paid for pretending to work" becomes standard operating procedure.


    However it is also true that the mass media do not dwell on the number of murders committed by blacks as this would be considered to be inflammatory and more likely to incite racial hatred.
     
    Not "racial hatred" which is a blue world word used to scramble up distinct aspects before disposing of them en bloc as unworthy of discussion (blue worlders are ok with "racial hatred" when it suits them) -- but the awareness that "problem solving of an unconventional nature" might be part of the solution mix. Yes, that could get Ukraine-levels of ugly.


    mr_wolf_solves_problems.jpg

    , @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason


    In general programs like enhanced hiring in government jobs do help to move in this direction but the progress is very slow.
     
    Hiring less qualified blacks over more competent whites, sometimes to do makework jobs, has indeed helped to put many blacks into the middle class but at a high cost to society. The CDC's totally botched approach to Covid and to testing was not helped by the fact that much of the staff at CDC HQ in Blacklanta consisted of such affirmative action hires and many of them were "busy" working on the "fast food epidemic" or the "shooting epidemic". Imagine that the CDC budget instead had been dedicated to having the most qualified scientists (meaning mostly not black) working on actually controlling contagious diseases.

    I think it might be easier just to write blacks a check - it would cause less damage to society than putting them in positions for which they are not qualified or jobs such as "diversity coordinator" that are actually negative to productivity. Zero is better than a negative number.

    Replies: @Anon, @Walsh2, @Jonathan Mason

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Jonathan Mason


    What Steve doesn’t get is that the true statistics on the racial breakdown of homicides in the US are perfectly well-known to people in law enforcement, in the prison system, to the legal professions, to the courts, to the FBI, to criminologists, and to politicians and decision makers.
     
    Of course Steve knows this. He's talking about what is known to John Q. Public, or rather what the media permits them to know about such things.

    However it is also true that the mass media do not dwell on the number of murders committed by blacks as this would be considered to be inflammatory and more likely to incite racial hatred.
     
    So instead they wrongfully impute these killings to Whites, helping to incite racial hatred against them?
    , @Redman
    @Jonathan Mason


    However it is also true that the mass media do not dwell on the number of murders committed by blacks as this would be considered to be inflammatory and more likely to incite racial hatred.
     
    Would the average reader of the NYT be "incited" to racial hatred by simply having what's plainly obvious to most observers reported accurately?

    When the truth is not fairly reported (or worse covered up), the social reaction is more likely to be volatile and violent. Most people do not like being lied to by their supposed betters.
    , @anon
    @Jonathan Mason

    A solution is not simply to inform blacks that they need to stop killing each other, but to get an ever larger number of blacks into the middle classes with middle class values.

    Golly! No one ever, ever thought of that before! Such a program would really, truly Make America Great, for sure! If we were able to get it through the Congress, that is.

    What should we call such a program to Make America Great?

    How about "The Great Society"? No one's ever used that name, I am totally sure.

    , @TWS
    @Jonathan Mason

    Oh, so close then you fumble it on the five yard line. Getting blacks into the middle class won't do it. Middle class America except deep country is degenerate and will not provide the solid boundaries needed. Better moral code, stronger community ties, scorn for the thug life are necessary. Materially they are better off than ever, morally all America is sliding down the greasy slope.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @Anon
    @Jonathan Mason


    However it is also true that the mass media do not dwell on the number of murders committed by blacks as this would be considered to be inflammatory and more likely to incite racial hatred.
     
    It is inflammatory to conceal such information. Doing so invites racial hatred against Whites.

    Revealing the truth would foster solidarity among Whites.

  5. But supposing that all the mass media news organizations made a really concerted effort to point out the race of murderers every day in news and current affairs programs, how exactly would this help with America’s murder epidemic?

    In other countries like Jamaica, which has an extremely high murder rate, nobody is in any doubt about the race of the murderers, but while (middle class) politicians are certainly very concerned about the murder issue, particularly as it affects the general image of the country and its tourism industry, they don’t seem to be able to stop it.

    Is it really just as simple as telling people “you are all murderous because you are black, so stop it?”

    Would it help, for instance, for media to show images of dead bodies, and pools of blood in the road, as they do in Hispanic countries? Would this help jolt the general public into a state of reality?

    Or should we have massive programs promoting free birth control to blacks and giving enhanced IRS refunds to people who can prove that they are using contraception?

    • Replies: @Dissident799
    @Jonathan Mason


    But supposing that all the mass media news organizations made a really concerted effort to point out the race of murderers every day in news and current affairs programs, how exactly would this help with America’s murder epidemic?
     
    The point isn't to help with the murder epidemic. The point is to educate people to the real problems in the black community. As recent polling has shown, a large number of people in this country think that the police are gunning down thousands of unarmed blacks every year instead of the ten or so actually killed. A huge number of leftys think that that white supremacy and police violence are the cause of all black people's problems when the real cause is black stupidity and black violence.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @Bill Jones
    @Jonathan Mason


    Or should we have massive programs promoting free birth control to blacks and giving enhanced IRS refunds to people who can prove that they are using contraception?
     
    Verging on the Bill Gates approach.
    , @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    How about having the media just act as a neutral, non-political reporter of the truth without trying to spin it either way? How about the media not taking active measures to HIDE the truth, like no longer printing mug shots and purging their archives of the names of felons?

    I know it's too much to ask for the media to draw the right conclusions - that the main result of BLM has been to get a lot of black lives murdered by other blacks, dozens of times more than the handful of blacks who are shot by the police. I don't even need them to draw conclusions for me. I can draw my own conclusions, thank you and don't need them spoon fed to me by the media.

    But if they just went back to being neutral reporters and gave us the whole truth instead of taking active measures to hide the truth lest it cast blacks in a bad light or give aid and comfort to racists, that would really be not too much to ask. Reading the American press now is like reading Pravda in the old days - you have to read between the lines. If you read a story about an Asian being attacked and the race of the attacker is not mentioned, the practiced reader can read between the lines and infer that the attacker was black. I don't want to have to play such games.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @ic1000, @nebulafox, @Jonathan Mason, @Luzzatto, @Corvinus

    , @Redman
    @Jonathan Mason

    There is, and has always been, a black community in America. Most blacks admit this, but many non-blacks try to pretend that everyone is beyond such base tribalism. This is a lie.

    The black community does have leaders and celebrities who speak to it. If those leaders and celebrities told members of their community that they need to check themselves, why wouldn't it have an impact? But those black leaders and celebrities in 2021 don't seem to have any interest in doing so.

    I recall a time not long ago when they did. Bill Cosby, Charles Barkley and even Jesse Jackson acknowledged the problems of criminality in the black community. What happened to those types of widely visible leaders?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @William Badwhite
    @Jonathan Mason


    Or should we have massive programs promoting free birth control to blacks and giving enhanced IRS refunds to people who can prove that they are using contraception?
     
    An excellent idea, one that I believe was tried (using Norplant) in I believe Baltimore 25+ years ago. Naturally this was racist and genocidal, so in order to keep your idea non-racist/genocidal, we should expand it to any convicted (violent) felon as well as anyone requiring public assistance to care for their children.

    Eugenics is a dirty word (it has been "discredited", as claimed by people that don't know the meaning of "discredited") now, but it does not follow that dysgenics is therefore good.

    Replies: @PSR

  6. Also, in light of the recent mass kidnapping in Nigeria. The international pressure from abroad wrt ‘Bring Back Our Girls’ in 2014 meant that many of the girls are still missing, at least 10 were killed by an airstrike with 10s of others mutilated.

    Apparently the normal course of action was just to pay the Dane Geld which is why the girls were kidnapped in the first place. And also to negociate the release of Boko Haram members. There was never an intention to keep the girls.

    The only time it went so badly FUBAR was when Michelle Obama did the whole ‘Bring Back Our Girls’ bit. Meaning the Nigerian government was put into a place of having to go after the Boko Haram unit so hard (Including the aforementioned airstrike that killed at least 10 of them) they were afraid to let the girls go and no negotiations to free them for money took place as was normal practice before and after. The normal course of events was for the parents to pay for the girls release and the government to trade prisoners for them and it be over quickly.

    The issues of the Nigerian government in dealing with Boko Haram and Fulani militias have many political and political-ethnic issues. But nothing Twitter instigated helped the issue, it just made it worse.

    • Thanks: bomag
  7. Also in terms of mass shootings, if Biden’s admin makes Juneteenth a national holiday and the media pushes it either way, expect some high scores to be racked up at the epic bloc parties that are sure to happen.

    Juneteenth could become a byword for mass shootings.

    • Agree: Cortes, Joe Magarac, TWS
    • Replies: @Redman
    @Altai

    Sort of like Puerto Rican pride day in NYC.

    For years it's been known as the Sunday to leave the city for your own safety.

    , @Alden
    @Altai

    We should all be thankful that MLK & Black Worship month happens in January and February when most of the country is under snow or cold rain. Keeps the revelers inside killing each other. But a black fiesta in late June. Stay away from the cities and black areas in the south. Myrtle Beach will be a killing ground for Whites.

    Gentle Giant Mike Browns sperm donor and the Ferguson Mo BLM action group demands 24 million as reparations for something

  8. Strong essay, Steve — and one of your best endings. It hits hard and sticks.

    • Agree: Jim Christian, ic1000
    • Replies: @Lot
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Yeah I would only delete one word, “likely”:

    “ Due to low clearance rates in black neighborhoods, the real percentage [of black homicide offenders] is likely even higher.”

    Nothing short of mathematical axioms is more certain than this.

  9. Blue cities, all of it. Someone tell me, someone prudent enough to live out of the line of fire, why I should care? They hate me anyway, and for nothing but my race. They’re racist assholes anyway. Just leave it all to them, the Blue cities that is, and go . The corporate citizens did, Whites must follow, or remain, to their peril. Let those whites in the cities get their beloved diversity good and hard. And, let the moulies learn about life in a city in perennial decline. Like in S. Africa, they’ll beg whites to return.

  10. Black Lives? Meh!

    What matters to those who capitalised most on BLM is that the Bad Orange Man is gone, and She who is the annointed PoC is a heartbeat away from the pinnacle of power.

  11. “We are destroying the fabric of society because we can’t admit that black people are dumb.” Jim Goad on recent Counter Currents podcast.

  12. As they say in the kinds of neighborhoods where these kinds of shootings happen, snitches get stitches.

    That’s a racist trope from the (thankfully now banned) book of white supremacist Dr. Seuss: Sneetches Get Steeches!

    Thank goodness our Woke Guardians have rid us of the rubbery-lipped drawings of that turbulent illustrator!

    • Replies: @john cronk
    @Almost Missouri

    Re: Dr. Seuss censoring
    Shameful and odious. The organization which exists to protect and disseminate his work serving as the agent of its destruction.

    I sat myself down and I scribbled some books
    I worded the wordings for nice-sounding hooks
    But PC nose-nosies then gave me some looks
    Deciding just what can remain or be took

    , @MBlanc46
    @Almost Missouri

    “Rid us of that turbulent illustrator”. I see what you did there.

  13. @Jonathan Mason
    But supposing that all the mass media news organizations made a really concerted effort to point out the race of murderers every day in news and current affairs programs, how exactly would this help with America's murder epidemic?

    In other countries like Jamaica, which has an extremely high murder rate, nobody is in any doubt about the race of the murderers, but while (middle class) politicians are certainly very concerned about the murder issue, particularly as it affects the general image of the country and its tourism industry, they don't seem to be able to stop it.

    Is it really just as simple as telling people "you are all murderous because you are black, so stop it?"

    Would it help, for instance, for media to show images of dead bodies, and pools of blood in the road, as they do in Hispanic countries? Would this help jolt the general public into a state of reality?

    Or should we have massive programs promoting free birth control to blacks and giving enhanced IRS refunds to people who can prove that they are using contraception?

    Replies: @Dissident799, @Bill Jones, @Jack D, @Redman, @William Badwhite

    But supposing that all the mass media news organizations made a really concerted effort to point out the race of murderers every day in news and current affairs programs, how exactly would this help with America’s murder epidemic?

    The point isn’t to help with the murder epidemic. The point is to educate people to the real problems in the black community. As recent polling has shown, a large number of people in this country think that the police are gunning down thousands of unarmed blacks every year instead of the ten or so actually killed. A huge number of leftys think that that white supremacy and police violence are the cause of all black people’s problems when the real cause is black stupidity and black violence.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Dissident799

    Diss, well stated. The MSM had a photo of the body of a small migrant boy who drowned and washed up on the shore of Italy, IIRC. They played it on a loop. However, there are dozens of small black children shot and killed each year and we rarely hear about their murders or see their little bodies draped by a tarp on the street. Mylar balloons, votive candles, stuffed animals and flowers always. When the black community finds these murders to be heinous enough to block traffic or drag the perps into the street for a beat down, then I'll care. Well, that's just BS on my part. I care but what could I do to prevent any of this? In four years obama 2.0 will have solved all of this. However, I will offer odds that biden-harris will leave a legacy more POC destruction.

    Replies: @Marty

  14. Did the 15(!) people shot at a wake in Englewood, Chicago last summer make the list? No one arrested for that one yet.

    • Agree: Joe Magarac
    • Replies: @Joe Magarac
    @Hodag

    In the nature of things most ghetto shootings are unsolved, and therefore the races of the perps are officially unknown. I speculate the percentage of murders committed by bl*cks is far higher than the official stats.

  15. Blacks Behaving Like Blacks, Media Covers Up or Blames Whites Part MMCLXXII by Steve Sailer

    Maybe, it’s time for Steve to use his consider talent to start thinking about how Whites as a people can save themselves. Oh wait, that would require Steve to be pro-White, which is beneath him.

    Better to stay safe and keep promoting the fantasy of Citizenism.

  16. The irony of all this is that the cultural traits/behavior that garden variety progressives loathe in downscale whites are present in spades when it comes to black Americans. It highlights the fact that blacks are just objects to most white progressives, who have little to no experience with the people they are so keen to champion.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Arclight

    The alliance of liberal whites with blacks, who are by and large not liberal in any sense (open-minded? empathetic? gentle with women and children?), was a paradox for a long time. But it's a paradox no more now that "progressive" whites are no longer liberal, and indeed have moved toward blacks by adopting magical modes of thinking and shedding many enlightenment values.

    Replies: @Arclight

  17. anon[358] • Disclaimer says:

    Oklahoma man accused of triple murder confessed to killing neighbor and cooking her heart ‘with potatoes

    Lawrence Anderson, the self confessed murderer, was Black, although Washington Post readers would never know. But for some reason, New York Times readers surprisingly were treated with a large photo of the perp. I was shocked since the Times seldom goes off script. That Times issue also had a lengthy article about the Smith College quasi hoax 2018 racial incident.

    Are we in a Post Trump revision of the semi official Narrative? Allowing brief glimpses of nuance. And Governor Cuomo just got me too’ed. Without the Krazy Glue of TDS, liberals are openly duking it out with woke progressives.

    Meanwhile:

    Domestic Terrorism Threat Is ‘Metastasizing’ in U.S., F.B.I. Director Says
    Christopher A. Wray condemned the Capitol riot and told the Senate Judiciary Committee that agents had opened 2,000 domestic terrorism inquiries in recent years.

    It is ambiguous, but we now discover it is growing, racially motivated, and includes Antifa. WTF.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @anon

    Now that the anti-porn crusade has come to Unz ( https://www.unz.com/article/oppression-by-orgasm/), I guess we shouldn't be surprised at this:

    https://twitter.com/DarrenJBeattie/status/1366921873469095943

    Gonna make some really PO'ed folks.

  18. while it has been clear that the pandemic of BLM protests resulted in an increase of black murders we can also blame the BLM pandemic on the lockdowns

    Back in 2014 when Fergusion when the BLM movement became a national movement, the rioting was restricted to one area. Despite the widely promoted narrative of “hands up, don’t shoot” the rioting did not spread to other cities in 2014.

    in contract to 2020 when the BLM rioting spread to 600 cities across America. This pandemic of BLM rioting was the result of lockdowns which shuttered businesses, schools, churches, and all forms of social interaction were banned. the lockdowns resulted in millions of young people losing their jobs and schools. Millions of students were forced back home from colleges across America , millions of youths lost their jobs and were forced back home with their parents, locked inside and denied the opportunity to socialize with their peers. This created a powder keg of pent up anger and resentment. When the Minneapolis riots began after the death of George Floyd , they quickly spread across the nation , as the only acceptable social gathering was to attend a BLM protest.

    Without the lockdowns, the rioting would have been confined to Minneapolis , as was the case in 2014 when the rioting was confined to Ferguson. It is clear that the lockdowns resulted in millions of jobless youths, millions of youths without schools to attend and millions of youths with no social outlets. the lockdowns are mostly responsible for the pandemic of BLM riots across America. The civil unrest of 2020 was caused by the lockdowns and resulting social unrest caused by massive unemployment combined with the shuttering of all colleges, sporting events, concerts and night life. This was to be expected, and many did predict such an outcome from prolonged lockdowns and the resulting disintegration of social trust , social isolation and economic destruction.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Travis

    You should sell this comment on the internet as a college admissions essay.

    Please explain why the demonstrations magically ended 2 weeks before the election.

    BLM is run by convictedWeather Underground terrorist Susan Rosenberg She is the conduit that sends all the BLM donations to the Democrat National Committee.

    BLM is a fundraiser of the DNC.

  19. How do I get out of comment moderation purgatory? I put in an email address and have checked the saved info box, but every comment still sits and waits.

    • Replies: @HFR
    @Dissident799

    Dissident799: You get out of comment-moderation purgatory as soon as Mr. Sailer decides that you have expiated your sins. My own comments marinate there for a long time, but as a fellow Catholic, I understand the drill.

  20. Hey, has law enforcement come up any coherent account of the 2017 mass shooting in Las Vegas, yet?

    • Agree: Genrick Yagoda
    • Replies: @Lot
    @International Jew

    Inherited psychopathy. He was depressed with aging and possibly gambling losses, and decided to go out in a “blaze of glory” taking as many normal happy people as he could with him.

    His father was a bank robber who also “attempted to run down an FBI agent with his car.” His brother is a pedophile, and the father might have been too, a career criminal who “volunteered” to help “wayward youth.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Hoskins_Paddock

    , @theMann
    @International Jew

    Well there is a question we deserve an answer to!

    Alas, we can no longer separate the lies, from the incompetence, from the coverups.

    That is what terminal decline looks like.

    , @Joe Magarac
    @International Jew

    There is no theory of everything that explains all the outliers.

  21. Black Lives Matter leads to Black Lives Splatter.

  22. @Jonathan Mason
    What Steve doesn't get is that the true statistics on the racial breakdown of homicides in the US are perfectly well-known to people in law enforcement, in the prison system, to the legal professions, to the courts, to the FBI, to criminologists, and to politicians and decision makers.

    However it is also true that the mass media do not dwell on the number of murders committed by blacks as this would be considered to be inflammatory and more likely to incite racial hatred.

    In the case of commercial TV news stations, their primary objective is to deliver eyeballs to advertisers, not to deliver accurate news.

    In the case of NPR radio, the primary objective is not to lose further government funding and commercial and foundation sponsorship.

    In general the American public is extremely poorly informed about most political issues, which is an even bigger concern, as far as the survival of democracy is concerned.

    A solution is not simply to inform blacks that they need to stop killing each other, but to get an ever larger number of blacks into the middle classes with middle class values. In general programs like enhanced hiring in government jobs do help to move in this direction but the progress is very slow.

    Replies: @Pericles, @ic1000, @El Dato, @Jack D, @Mr. Anon, @Redman, @anon, @TWS, @Anon

    A solution is not simply to inform blacks that they need to stop killing each other, but to get an ever larger number of blacks into the middle classes with middle class values.

    I believe that’s been tried already, for quite some time. Blacks last I checked appear to police each other to ‘stop acting white’. Perhaps middle class values are too alien to most of them.

  23. @Arclight
    The irony of all this is that the cultural traits/behavior that garden variety progressives loathe in downscale whites are present in spades when it comes to black Americans. It highlights the fact that blacks are just objects to most white progressives, who have little to no experience with the people they are so keen to champion.

    Replies: @International Jew

    The alliance of liberal whites with blacks, who are by and large not liberal in any sense (open-minded? empathetic? gentle with women and children?), was a paradox for a long time. But it’s a paradox no more now that “progressive” whites are no longer liberal, and indeed have moved toward blacks by adopting magical modes of thinking and shedding many enlightenment values.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer, Alden
    • Replies: @Arclight
    @International Jew

    Yeah, having a lot of acquaintances on the left that I am only in touch with via social media now, it's remarkable how many openly champion things that are in no way 'liberal' but are outright authoritarian and/or punitive towards people they don't like.

    As Steve has repeatedly pointed out, the political coalition that makes up the left is held together by resentment/hatred of a perceived common enemy, not actual common cultural or economic interests. The establishment right has been oblivious to this for 30+ years at this point and has lost a ton of ground in its accommodationist approach towards the cultural demands of the left.

    Replies: @Forbes, @International Jew, @Corvinus

  24. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Strong essay, Steve -- and one of your best endings. It hits hard and sticks.

    Replies: @Lot

    Yeah I would only delete one word, “likely”:

    “ Due to low clearance rates in black neighborhoods, the real percentage [of black homicide offenders] is likely even higher.”

    Nothing short of mathematical axioms is more certain than this.

  25. @Jonathan Mason
    But supposing that all the mass media news organizations made a really concerted effort to point out the race of murderers every day in news and current affairs programs, how exactly would this help with America's murder epidemic?

    In other countries like Jamaica, which has an extremely high murder rate, nobody is in any doubt about the race of the murderers, but while (middle class) politicians are certainly very concerned about the murder issue, particularly as it affects the general image of the country and its tourism industry, they don't seem to be able to stop it.

    Is it really just as simple as telling people "you are all murderous because you are black, so stop it?"

    Would it help, for instance, for media to show images of dead bodies, and pools of blood in the road, as they do in Hispanic countries? Would this help jolt the general public into a state of reality?

    Or should we have massive programs promoting free birth control to blacks and giving enhanced IRS refunds to people who can prove that they are using contraception?

    Replies: @Dissident799, @Bill Jones, @Jack D, @Redman, @William Badwhite

    Or should we have massive programs promoting free birth control to blacks and giving enhanced IRS refunds to people who can prove that they are using contraception?

    Verging on the Bill Gates approach.

  26. Lot says:
    @International Jew
    Hey, has law enforcement come up any coherent account of the 2017 mass shooting in Las Vegas, yet?

    Replies: @Lot, @theMann, @Joe Magarac

    Inherited psychopathy. He was depressed with aging and possibly gambling losses, and decided to go out in a “blaze of glory” taking as many normal happy people as he could with him.

    His father was a bank robber who also “attempted to run down an FBI agent with his car.” His brother is a pedophile, and the father might have been too, a career criminal who “volunteered” to help “wayward youth.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Hoskins_Paddock

    • Thanks: Alden
  27. And……..

    Nobody cares. For two clear and obvious reasons.

    First – the Liberal, Woke, Goodthinkers of the world are impervious to facts in any form. I literally had a school district employee stick her fingers in her ears and say “wa wa wa” when I confronted her over some facts relating to CoronaFraud the other day. Imagine how much harder they would try to avoid any facts relating to Race.

    Second – of course Blacks commit more crimes because, well, the reason changes, but right now it is White Racism……somehow. Such is the genteel, unspoken, but permanent Bigotry of GoodWhites: different standards apply to Negroes, just don’t say it out loud.

  28. @International Jew
    Hey, has law enforcement come up any coherent account of the 2017 mass shooting in Las Vegas, yet?

    Replies: @Lot, @theMann, @Joe Magarac

    Well there is a question we deserve an answer to!

    Alas, we can no longer separate the lies, from the incompetence, from the coverups.

    That is what terminal decline looks like.

  29. @Jonathan Mason
    What Steve doesn't get is that the true statistics on the racial breakdown of homicides in the US are perfectly well-known to people in law enforcement, in the prison system, to the legal professions, to the courts, to the FBI, to criminologists, and to politicians and decision makers.

    However it is also true that the mass media do not dwell on the number of murders committed by blacks as this would be considered to be inflammatory and more likely to incite racial hatred.

    In the case of commercial TV news stations, their primary objective is to deliver eyeballs to advertisers, not to deliver accurate news.

    In the case of NPR radio, the primary objective is not to lose further government funding and commercial and foundation sponsorship.

    In general the American public is extremely poorly informed about most political issues, which is an even bigger concern, as far as the survival of democracy is concerned.

    A solution is not simply to inform blacks that they need to stop killing each other, but to get an ever larger number of blacks into the middle classes with middle class values. In general programs like enhanced hiring in government jobs do help to move in this direction but the progress is very slow.

    Replies: @Pericles, @ic1000, @El Dato, @Jack D, @Mr. Anon, @Redman, @anon, @TWS, @Anon

    I appreciate your two comments (this one and the subsequent one, timestamped 11:36 am GMT). You’re one of the few non-dissident non-idiots to comment here. You don’t come across as a rocket surgeon (but neither do I). Since most people are about average in insight, your perspective is valuable.

    > What Steve doesn’t get

    Oh, Steve gets it just fine. Even us median readers get it.

    > is that the true statistics on the racial breakdown of homicides in the US are perfectly well-known to people in law enforcement, in the prison system, to the legal professions, to the courts, to the FBI, to criminologists, and to politicians and decision makers.

    Quite so, although temper that with the “political correctness makes you stupid” aphorism.

    > However it is also true that the mass media do not dwell on the number of murders committed by blacks as this would be considered to be inflammatory and more likely to incite racial hatred.

    As somebody who watches NBC Nightly News With Lester Holt to the extent I can tolerate it: I agree. To improve your notion by rephrasing it in the active voice — mainstream reporters, showrunners, editors, and publishers believe that accurate reporting on violence committed by blacks would be inflammatory and likely to incite racial hatred of blacks by white people.

    I’d express it this way: Mainstream elites and their left-wing and PoC auxiliaries claim that non-elite non-lefty whites — i.e. middle-class, working-class, and conservative whites — are uniquely bigoted. They Can’t Handle The Truth. It’s the Devil’s work to do anything other than (as Mollie Ball put it) striving to fortify democracy by misleading these proto-white-supremacists. (“Mislead,” because it’s against journalistic ethics to outright lie.)

    > A solution is not simply to inform blacks that they need to stop killing each other

    Anybody who has read this far into the comments is quite aware of Sailer’s policy prescription on this point. Why do you prefer a Straw Man paraphrase? It’s not that much work to copy-paste a pithy quote.

    This is particularly precious to me, thanks to NBC News. Last week provided plenty of examples of “avoiding inflammatory reporting.” Lester Holt’s team repeatedly celebrated Asian-American activists fighting back against the racist attacks on the elderly in their community. “Inspiring America” (Lester’s words) by uniting with fellow oppressed PoCs and rallying around the BLM flag.

    It’s too bad that there aren’t more videos, mug shots, eyewitness accounts, etc. that could shed some light on which whites are behind these attacks, and exactly what part of their supremacist ideology drives them to this dastardly violence. But while we’re waiting, let’s defend our Asian neighbors by ever-more-forcefully denouncing these white Wreckers. I hear (though not from NBC News) that Smith College is full of them!

    > but to get an ever larger number of blacks into the middle classes with middle class values. In general programs like enhanced hiring in government jobs do help to move in this direction but the progress is very slow.

    Uh huh. Last I heard, it may take as long as twenty-five years!

    • Agree: Joe Magarac
    • Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @ic1000

    You actually WATCH Lester Holt? NBC News?

    I don't know whether to admire you for watching the other side display their all-too-well-known idiocy, presumably in an effort to give the other side some "due," or to find it appalling that you actually spend time watching the other side display their all-too-well-known idiocy.

    Then again, I am a conflicted personality, so I'll just say you're a better human than me.

  30. @International Jew
    @Arclight

    The alliance of liberal whites with blacks, who are by and large not liberal in any sense (open-minded? empathetic? gentle with women and children?), was a paradox for a long time. But it's a paradox no more now that "progressive" whites are no longer liberal, and indeed have moved toward blacks by adopting magical modes of thinking and shedding many enlightenment values.

    Replies: @Arclight

    Yeah, having a lot of acquaintances on the left that I am only in touch with via social media now, it’s remarkable how many openly champion things that are in no way ‘liberal’ but are outright authoritarian and/or punitive towards people they don’t like.

    As Steve has repeatedly pointed out, the political coalition that makes up the left is held together by resentment/hatred of a perceived common enemy, not actual common cultural or economic interests. The establishment right has been oblivious to this for 30+ years at this point and has lost a ton of ground in its accommodationist approach towards the cultural demands of the left.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Arclight


    The establishment right has been oblivious to this for 30+ years at this point and has lost a ton of ground in its accommodationist approach towards the cultural demands of the left.
     
    Bingo!
    , @International Jew
    @Arclight

    Wokeness has a natural attraction to a certain kind of unintelligent white person. The problem of knowing what is true and recognizing what is logical has been replaced with the simpler one of repeating cant and recognizing what is taboo.

    A thorough overthrow of enlightenment values could take us to that sunny upland, that Steve jokes about, where blacks and whites score equally well on aptitude tests.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Corvinus
    @Arclight

    You are conveniently downplaying or ignoring that political coalition that makes up the right/Alt Right is held together by resentment/hatred of a perceived common enemy, not actual common cultural or economic interests, as well. It's remarkable how many openly challenge things that are in no way "conservative", but are outright authoritarian and/or punitive towards people they don't like.

    See how that works, my fellow white friend?

  31. The fundamental problem is integration with full rights (access to guns, booze, pot, etc).

    Trying to engineering a country in which a large Black population roams free without violence and devastation is a fool’s errand. If they are allowed to date your daughters, live in your neighborhoods and buy all the Glocks they want, well, what do you expect?

    • Agree: GeneralRipper
  32. The latest crop of incidents is quite striking, but we’ve all known for years how this works. I even summarized it as the “Leaded Law” in my now-dormant blog.

    https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2017/07/04/leaded-law-at-work-in-little-rock/

  33. “As I’ve said before, African-Americans should be ashamed of this cultural tendency to open fire into a crowd of partyers in the hopes of killing one or two rivals: Just knock it off!”

    Continuing from the preceding article, the phenomenon of white assortative mating needs to be examined in the context of the black community.

    “Black flight”, the exodus of competent and smarter blacks from places like Detroit, Chicago and Baltimore, combined with welfare-assisted mating with thugs, has resulted in what I call “Black Ass Hortative mating“, in which black felons, thugs and addicts are urged to procreate as a rite of passage.

    This results in a unique community which accepts (and even celebrates) mass shootings which often result in very few deaths, mostly those who deserved it. As Black Wisdom puts it, “sometimes a motherf***er need to get shot.” Why can’t the white community accept cultural diversity? and stop telling black people to “just knock it off”, which sounds like something my dad would have said.

    Since I’ve written about this a bunch of times, I’ll just leave it at that.

  34. Abe says:

    Trump gave White America the truth. Trump gave White America a chance. And when confronted with both these things White America chose… to carve a portrait of THE CURE’S Robert Smith on its wrists. Then when that turned out awful, it tried again, but this time HARDER. 2020- The Great White Cutting. The Great White Self-Harm.

    • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
    @Abe

    A Republican candidate who was more competent and less needlessly inflammatory would have defeated Biden easily. A lesson for 2024.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Anon7

  35. @Redneck farmer
    Well, as you've pointed out, Steve, no one in the media cares if black people kill each other.
    And, let's face it, the media won't report anything counter-narrative, even if it would help reduce the problem they claim to be worried about.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Marty, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @Forbes

    In other words, the best thing for black health would be if everybody started sniggering about them again.

  36. @Jonathan Mason
    What Steve doesn't get is that the true statistics on the racial breakdown of homicides in the US are perfectly well-known to people in law enforcement, in the prison system, to the legal professions, to the courts, to the FBI, to criminologists, and to politicians and decision makers.

    However it is also true that the mass media do not dwell on the number of murders committed by blacks as this would be considered to be inflammatory and more likely to incite racial hatred.

    In the case of commercial TV news stations, their primary objective is to deliver eyeballs to advertisers, not to deliver accurate news.

    In the case of NPR radio, the primary objective is not to lose further government funding and commercial and foundation sponsorship.

    In general the American public is extremely poorly informed about most political issues, which is an even bigger concern, as far as the survival of democracy is concerned.

    A solution is not simply to inform blacks that they need to stop killing each other, but to get an ever larger number of blacks into the middle classes with middle class values. In general programs like enhanced hiring in government jobs do help to move in this direction but the progress is very slow.

    Replies: @Pericles, @ic1000, @El Dato, @Jack D, @Mr. Anon, @Redman, @anon, @TWS, @Anon

    This is all non-controversial except for the “hiring in government jobs”.

    1) Government “in the West” is feral and drain-circling enough as it is.
    2) I have this feeling there will be a lot less of government jobs going forward, if sanity follows necessity. Or a lot more, depending on whether “socialist” ideology becomes more prevalent and “pretending to be paid for pretending to work” becomes standard operating procedure.

    However it is also true that the mass media do not dwell on the number of murders committed by blacks as this would be considered to be inflammatory and more likely to incite racial hatred.

    Not “racial hatred” which is a blue world word used to scramble up distinct aspects before disposing of them en bloc as unworthy of discussion (blue worlders are ok with “racial hatred” when it suits them) — but the awareness that “problem solving of an unconventional nature” might be part of the solution mix. Yes, that could get Ukraine-levels of ugly.

    mr_wolf_solves_problems.jpg

  37. @Jonathan Mason
    What Steve doesn't get is that the true statistics on the racial breakdown of homicides in the US are perfectly well-known to people in law enforcement, in the prison system, to the legal professions, to the courts, to the FBI, to criminologists, and to politicians and decision makers.

    However it is also true that the mass media do not dwell on the number of murders committed by blacks as this would be considered to be inflammatory and more likely to incite racial hatred.

    In the case of commercial TV news stations, their primary objective is to deliver eyeballs to advertisers, not to deliver accurate news.

    In the case of NPR radio, the primary objective is not to lose further government funding and commercial and foundation sponsorship.

    In general the American public is extremely poorly informed about most political issues, which is an even bigger concern, as far as the survival of democracy is concerned.

    A solution is not simply to inform blacks that they need to stop killing each other, but to get an ever larger number of blacks into the middle classes with middle class values. In general programs like enhanced hiring in government jobs do help to move in this direction but the progress is very slow.

    Replies: @Pericles, @ic1000, @El Dato, @Jack D, @Mr. Anon, @Redman, @anon, @TWS, @Anon

    In general programs like enhanced hiring in government jobs do help to move in this direction but the progress is very slow.

    Hiring less qualified blacks over more competent whites, sometimes to do makework jobs, has indeed helped to put many blacks into the middle class but at a high cost to society. The CDC’s totally botched approach to Covid and to testing was not helped by the fact that much of the staff at CDC HQ in Blacklanta consisted of such affirmative action hires and many of them were “busy” working on the “fast food epidemic” or the “shooting epidemic”. Imagine that the CDC budget instead had been dedicated to having the most qualified scientists (meaning mostly not black) working on actually controlling contagious diseases.

    I think it might be easier just to write blacks a check – it would cause less damage to society than putting them in positions for which they are not qualified or jobs such as “diversity coordinator” that are actually negative to productivity. Zero is better than a negative number.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jack D

    "I think it might be easier just to write blacks a check..."

    I'll see ya and raise ya. I think it would be easier to write them a real big check, like $100K, and a 1-way ticket to Nigeria or Ghana, where they could set up real well as a store owner or a small farmer with land and cows.

    , @Walsh2
    @Jack D

    You're right, it would be easier to write them a check. If you truly think about it and consider all the variables in all aspects of American society - the amount of money/domestic policy/time/energy/resources spent on addressing black dysfunction and black folks in general it's truly mind boggling. On this site alone, think how much time/energy/intellectual bandwidth is spent by Steve and others on the issue of black dysfunction and black folks in general.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    Maybe, but a lot of blacks who get state jobs in mental hospitals, prisons, law enforcement, or airport security with good pensions and health insurance eventually buy their own homes and have kids who go to college.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

  38. Sailer: BLM = Black Lives Murdered

    Sailer sometimes writes that he ain’t so good at coming up with catchy phrases or labels that stick like March mud in the minds of the the well-fed savages in the world today.

    Example from 2015:

    Testing is very important in marketing. For example, I was a pretty good marketing researcher but, to my initial surprise, I was a terrible marketer. I’m good at generating ideas, but my tendency is to phrase them in ways that make them ironic, uncomfortable, sardonic, and generally off-putting (e.g., the song allusion in the title of this post), none of which is useful in reassuring the mass public.

    As a phrase, “an immigration policy that cares first about Americans” is somewhat more popular, but has an unfortunate historical allusion.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/i-believe-in-this-and-its-been-tested-by-research/?highlight=phrase

    BLACK LIVES MURDERED

    BLACK LIVES MURDERED is a bingo term or phrase or label that hits and sticks.

    Rather like a defensive end first hitting the quarterback and then wrapping him up while trying to strip the football away.

    Sailer might have also been the guy on the internet who mixed around the concept of the “European Christian ancestral core” and conjured it back up into WHITE CORE AMERICA.

    Tweets from 2015:

  39. @Jonathan Mason
    But supposing that all the mass media news organizations made a really concerted effort to point out the race of murderers every day in news and current affairs programs, how exactly would this help with America's murder epidemic?

    In other countries like Jamaica, which has an extremely high murder rate, nobody is in any doubt about the race of the murderers, but while (middle class) politicians are certainly very concerned about the murder issue, particularly as it affects the general image of the country and its tourism industry, they don't seem to be able to stop it.

    Is it really just as simple as telling people "you are all murderous because you are black, so stop it?"

    Would it help, for instance, for media to show images of dead bodies, and pools of blood in the road, as they do in Hispanic countries? Would this help jolt the general public into a state of reality?

    Or should we have massive programs promoting free birth control to blacks and giving enhanced IRS refunds to people who can prove that they are using contraception?

    Replies: @Dissident799, @Bill Jones, @Jack D, @Redman, @William Badwhite

    How about having the media just act as a neutral, non-political reporter of the truth without trying to spin it either way? How about the media not taking active measures to HIDE the truth, like no longer printing mug shots and purging their archives of the names of felons?

    I know it’s too much to ask for the media to draw the right conclusions – that the main result of BLM has been to get a lot of black lives murdered by other blacks, dozens of times more than the handful of blacks who are shot by the police. I don’t even need them to draw conclusions for me. I can draw my own conclusions, thank you and don’t need them spoon fed to me by the media.

    But if they just went back to being neutral reporters and gave us the whole truth instead of taking active measures to hide the truth lest it cast blacks in a bad light or give aid and comfort to racists, that would really be not too much to ask. Reading the American press now is like reading Pravda in the old days – you have to read between the lines. If you read a story about an Asian being attacked and the race of the attacker is not mentioned, the practiced reader can read between the lines and infer that the attacker was black. I don’t want to have to play such games.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    No less an authority than Donald McNeil said reporters are "jackals."

    , @ic1000
    @Jack D

    > Reading the American press now is like reading Pravda in the old days – you have to read between the lines. If you read a story about an Asian being attacked and the race of the attacker is not mentioned, the practiced reader can read between the lines and infer that the attacker was black.

    The key insight of our 'clerisy' Narrative builders and upholders is that stringent censorship is unnecessary. Granted, such measures have an impressive 20th century track record, e.g. Bolsheviks post 1917, Nazis post 1933, Maoists post 1949. iSteve readers (most of us) have pretty accurate ideas about crime in its national context and near our homes. No heroic samizdat smuggling required. Just knowledge of how to search and making the effort to evaluate the trustworthiness (honesty, competence) of sources.

    Meanwhile... on most topics, Mrs. ic1000 and most of my real-life family and friends maintain their faith in Lester Holt, Anthony Fauci, Jen Psaci, and the NYT. "You're just being a contrarian... again." For most people, that approach will continue to work, until it doesn't.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    The media-and the modern Beltway in general-attracts pathological narcissists like schoolyards attract pedophiles, so... not counting on them changing any time soon, to say the least.

    IIRC, papers in early America often took the explicit side of one party or another: objectivity wasn't considered a priority, or expected. So it might be that we've reverted back to normal, in the grand scheme of things.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D


    How about having the media just act as a neutral, non-political reporter of the truth without trying to spin it either way? How about the media not taking active measures to HIDE the truth, like no longer printing mug shots and purging their archives of the names of felons?
     
    Quite so, the news could then be more like this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqGGrDsqkj0

    The prisoners are saying things like they are not treated like human beings, don't get medications, and so on.

    When was the last time you saw a US reporter roaming round a prison and interviewing prisoners?

    Replies: @ic1000, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Franz Liszt von Raiding

    , @Luzzatto
    @Jack D

    More people in tropical climate countries die per year due to falling coconuts from trees onto people's skulls than do unarmed Black men in the hands of White police officers in The United States per year!

    , @Corvinus
    @Jack D

    News today is driven by a desired narrative, moreso than in decades past. You have the left and the right who craft a story based on facts, with each side serving as a political evangelical to promote their interpretation. There are truths found here based on facts.

    Unfortunately, segments of our society has been conditioned by social media “sensations”, reality television “stars”, and ratings driven media conglomerates to reject evidence that challenges their beliefs. They do it instinctively when confronted with attitude-inconsistent information. When someone attempts to inform them of their misconceptions, rather than take it under advisement, it “backfires” (see below), which in effect makes them less skeptical of what they believe in, since obviously the other side is rife with their own false impressions. Thus, one continues to see their own position as “true and proper”. Of course, the argument stems from what is and what is not a misconception, whether it be “race realism” or “white privilege”, which ends up being a feedback loop.

    "I know it’s too much to ask for the media to draw the right conclusions – that the main result of BLM has been to get a lot of black lives murdered by other blacks."

    Upon self-reflection on how we as humans conduct ourselves, especially if we are searching for a particular avenue to convince others that there is but one specific way of behaving, we delude ourselves into believing we have found the ultimate answer. But that response is run roughshod by our own confirmation biases. Stated another way, we must be wary of how fundamental attribution error affects our analysis of the human condition.

    Now, while it makes perfect sense to categorize humans in your schema, the way by which how the categorization is employed becomes nonsensical. What ends up inevitably occurring is you conveniently and neatly arranging your ideological proponents and opponents into these compartments. The end result? A self-fulfilling prophecy and “evidence” your distinctions is entirely accurate. While people may TEND to be rational or impulsive, one must carefully take into account the situation and context of that behavior, as well as their own prejudices. Again, you are being prone to situational and dispositional attributions, considering that rationality and impulsivity runs on a continuum.

    Indeed, when confronted with conflicting evidence that challenges one’s world view, there is self-denial and convoluted arguments. Be mindful that in a series of studies from 2005 and 2006, researchers at the University of Michigan found that when misinformed people, particularly political partisans, were exposed to corrected facts in news stories, they rarely changed their minds. In fact, they often became even more strongly set in their beliefs. “The general idea is that it’s absolutely threatening to admit you’re wrong,” says political scientist Brendan Nyhan, the lead researcher on the Michigan study. The phenomenon — known as “backfire” — is “a natural defense mechanism to avoid that cognitive dissonance”.

    It is virtually impossible to argue with those people who cling on this “Fake News” or “media lies” meme. Any fact you bring as an argument, they immediately attack the SOURCE, rather than the substance. Thus, it is easy to deny there is ANY evidence at all. This phenomenon has been brewing for a long time, and it has reached a critical mass at our point in world history. Unfortunately, this leads more people to become ignorant by facilitating echo chambers and confirmation bias. An informed person looks CRITICALLY at the facts, considers any bias--including their own--, reads other sources on the issue, and then draws their own conclusions, realizing those conclusions will require verification from valid sources when challenged. Of course, it is vital to be honest when conducting an "internal audit" of one's own thinking and logic.

  40. Happy CoronaHoax everybody!

    We’re one year into the world’s greatest hoax and mass hysteria, y’all saving grandmas everywhere with your facediapering and assburger-distancing. You make me so proud.

    After a full year of hysteria, my poesy from last March rings truer than ever:

    If you’re old and diseased
    Self-quarantine please;
    If your health is OK
    Go on about your day!

    And I still don’t own a Facediaper, one full year into what has become a sexual fetish and a religion. Damn, that must infuriate all the innumerate imbeciles round here like Sailer, Unz, et al. Hail to you, my CovImbeciles!

    Get Out Live Life!

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @adreadline
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Someone going by the handle "Alex Tabarrok'' on Twitter, whose profile picture appears to be a photograph of said individual donning a mask drawn in MS Paint, recently digitally burped that "My vaccinated friends are starting to travel and eat in restaurants again and I am jealous af.'' What feelings he harbors towards those who never stopped? Is he even aware they exist? It might be that he considers them beneath contempt or even being human, but it's only a guess of mine and I don't actually want to know what goes in that individual's noggin. Also, wasn't it the case they were supposed to keep masked up even after taking the vaccine? Does that no longer apply? Are we through the looking glass yet?

  41. How come no one’s talking about the Oklahoma cannibal?

  42. The next part of the war is the war on information. My (very Republican) state legislature just passed a bill to ban the public release of mug shots until an accused perp is convicted. One part of the justification for this was to counter the “misconception” that minorities commit a lot of crime, even though in debates I doubt that anyone provided any evidence showing that a disproportionate number of those charged but found not guilty are racial minorities.

    Given the sometimes huge lag time between murder and conviction – some trials don’t start until years after the actual murder – that may mean a very long time before the public actually knows what the criminal looks like, or what his race is – usually by that time the crime has receded from memory, so many people aren’t even paying attention anymore.

    So people will be left to the rather imperfect method of determining what a high profile accused perp looks like by searching Google or Facebook, which won’t do anything to improve accuracy. Of course the perp’s name is often a very good indicator, as well.

    The release of mug shots is probably somewhat useful in prosecuting a criminal. Witnesses may be able to provide information once they recognize a perp, and it’s probably also pretty nice to have a publicly available mugshot when your name happens to be similar to the name of a high profile criminal.

    But that is the world we now live in, where a >70% Republican state legislature is passing a law banning the release of mug shots, to placate Blacks Love Murder. Or is it Black Lives Splatter?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Wilkey

    Maybe the fact that blacks are only 1% of the population of Utah played a factor in Republican support? There are a lot of measures that make sense in a non-racial context that make a lot less sense once you introduce race into the equation. Even if blacks in Utah are 10x overrepresented in crime as they are elsewhere, they would still only be 10% of the criminals.

    Replies: @Luzzatto, @Wilkey

  43. Anon[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason


    In general programs like enhanced hiring in government jobs do help to move in this direction but the progress is very slow.
     
    Hiring less qualified blacks over more competent whites, sometimes to do makework jobs, has indeed helped to put many blacks into the middle class but at a high cost to society. The CDC's totally botched approach to Covid and to testing was not helped by the fact that much of the staff at CDC HQ in Blacklanta consisted of such affirmative action hires and many of them were "busy" working on the "fast food epidemic" or the "shooting epidemic". Imagine that the CDC budget instead had been dedicated to having the most qualified scientists (meaning mostly not black) working on actually controlling contagious diseases.

    I think it might be easier just to write blacks a check - it would cause less damage to society than putting them in positions for which they are not qualified or jobs such as "diversity coordinator" that are actually negative to productivity. Zero is better than a negative number.

    Replies: @Anon, @Walsh2, @Jonathan Mason

    “I think it might be easier just to write blacks a check…”

    I’ll see ya and raise ya. I think it would be easier to write them a real big check, like $100K, and a 1-way ticket to Nigeria or Ghana, where they could set up real well as a store owner or a small farmer with land and cows.

    • Agree: europeasant
  44. @Abe
    Trump gave White America the truth. Trump gave White America a chance. And when confronted with both these things White America chose... to carve a portrait of THE CURE’S Robert Smith on its wrists. Then when that turned out awful, it tried again, but this time HARDER. 2020- The Great White Cutting. The Great White Self-Harm.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV

    A Republican candidate who was more competent and less needlessly inflammatory would have defeated Biden easily. A lesson for 2024.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Mike_from_SGV


    A Republican candidate who was more competent and less needlessly inflammatory would have defeated Biden easily. A lesson for 2024.

     

    I agree with your comment in most respects. However...

    Trump's one real virtue was that, like Lincoln said of General Grant, "He fights."

    Most of the "inflammatory" things Trump said weren't any more inflammatory than many of the things people on the Left routinely say but are always given a pass on. Is saying that Mexico 'isn't sending its best' any worse that a Democrat who claims that we have no right to defend our border at all?

    Just as one stunning example, can you imagine if, just days before taking office, Trump had said he was going to help small businesses, but only those small businesses owned by whites and men? Well that's exactly what Biden *did* say, except that he was only going to help non-white and female-owned businesses. MSM reaction: crickets.

    So yes, Trump said plenty of inflammatory things, but they were only inflammatory in the sense that the press gave far more attention to Trump's statements them than to all of the inflammatory things politicians on the Left have said, as demonstrated by the media spending months make excuses for all the politically-motivated violence last summer but suddenly being shocked by the violence on January 6.

    , @Anon7
    @Mike_from_SGV

    The Left media has mastered the art of making Republicans appear less competent and appear needlessly inflammatory.

    These traits, which you ascribe to Donald Trump, are almost entirely the creation of the media. You're completely bamboozled.

  45. But if you are the kind of smugly cultured person who avoids watching if-it-bleeds-it-leads local news, the only murders you hear about on the carefully curated national news are likely to be mass shootings. And most of the mass shooters you will hear about from NPR are likely to be white men.

    Another term for NPR listeners…………..low information voters.

  46. @International Jew
    Hey, has law enforcement come up any coherent account of the 2017 mass shooting in Las Vegas, yet?

    Replies: @Lot, @theMann, @Joe Magarac

    There is no theory of everything that explains all the outliers.

  47. @Jonathan Mason
    What Steve doesn't get is that the true statistics on the racial breakdown of homicides in the US are perfectly well-known to people in law enforcement, in the prison system, to the legal professions, to the courts, to the FBI, to criminologists, and to politicians and decision makers.

    However it is also true that the mass media do not dwell on the number of murders committed by blacks as this would be considered to be inflammatory and more likely to incite racial hatred.

    In the case of commercial TV news stations, their primary objective is to deliver eyeballs to advertisers, not to deliver accurate news.

    In the case of NPR radio, the primary objective is not to lose further government funding and commercial and foundation sponsorship.

    In general the American public is extremely poorly informed about most political issues, which is an even bigger concern, as far as the survival of democracy is concerned.

    A solution is not simply to inform blacks that they need to stop killing each other, but to get an ever larger number of blacks into the middle classes with middle class values. In general programs like enhanced hiring in government jobs do help to move in this direction but the progress is very slow.

    Replies: @Pericles, @ic1000, @El Dato, @Jack D, @Mr. Anon, @Redman, @anon, @TWS, @Anon

    What Steve doesn’t get is that the true statistics on the racial breakdown of homicides in the US are perfectly well-known to people in law enforcement, in the prison system, to the legal professions, to the courts, to the FBI, to criminologists, and to politicians and decision makers.

    Of course Steve knows this. He’s talking about what is known to John Q. Public, or rather what the media permits them to know about such things.

    However it is also true that the mass media do not dwell on the number of murders committed by blacks as this would be considered to be inflammatory and more likely to incite racial hatred.

    So instead they wrongfully impute these killings to Whites, helping to incite racial hatred against them?

  48. @Hodag
    Did the 15(!) people shot at a wake in Englewood, Chicago last summer make the list? No one arrested for that one yet.

    Replies: @Joe Magarac

    In the nature of things most ghetto shootings are unsolved, and therefore the races of the perps are officially unknown. I speculate the percentage of murders committed by bl*cks is far higher than the official stats.

  49. With Broadway looking to reopen this year, the first new play there reportedly will be something called Thoughts of a Colored Man. So perhaps those “thoughts” will shed some light on things.

    Unfolding during a single day in Brooklyn, Thoughts chronicles the lives of seven Black men as they confront and discuss any number of issues facing their community. The play utilizes spoken word, slam poetry, and rhythm. And of course it’s described as “critically acclaimed.”

  50. anon[181] • Disclaimer says:

    Interesting article. Very well written in general.

    Besides the obvious partisan, moralistic, and antiwhite racist causes for why numerous people can’t incorporate into their worldview the important fact that

    Would this be a reference to being opposed to white racists? Or is it a reference to being antiwhite? If the latter, would it be clearer if “racist” were omitted?

    blacks, who make up 13.4 percent of the population, commit the majority of murders (blacks were 55.9 percent of known murder offenders in the FBI’s 2019 statistics)

    These are two different categories, are they not? Which population commits the most murders versus which population has the most murderers.

  51. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    How about having the media just act as a neutral, non-political reporter of the truth without trying to spin it either way? How about the media not taking active measures to HIDE the truth, like no longer printing mug shots and purging their archives of the names of felons?

    I know it's too much to ask for the media to draw the right conclusions - that the main result of BLM has been to get a lot of black lives murdered by other blacks, dozens of times more than the handful of blacks who are shot by the police. I don't even need them to draw conclusions for me. I can draw my own conclusions, thank you and don't need them spoon fed to me by the media.

    But if they just went back to being neutral reporters and gave us the whole truth instead of taking active measures to hide the truth lest it cast blacks in a bad light or give aid and comfort to racists, that would really be not too much to ask. Reading the American press now is like reading Pravda in the old days - you have to read between the lines. If you read a story about an Asian being attacked and the race of the attacker is not mentioned, the practiced reader can read between the lines and infer that the attacker was black. I don't want to have to play such games.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @ic1000, @nebulafox, @Jonathan Mason, @Luzzatto, @Corvinus

    No less an authority than Donald McNeil said reporters are “jackals.”

  52. Anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:

    Okay, the mass media prefers not to cover bad behavior from blacks. Considering thatthis has been true for decades, how exactly does this lead to such a dramatic murder/shooting increase?
    Underclass blacks have never been very interested in what CNN, NPR, or the Washington Post are saying: try Youtube and “the Gram”. And it’s not as if they were lacking in pro-crime cultural messaging before BLM: ever heard of rap?

    A much more likely cause of the spike is widespread mask wearing, coupled with cops no longer breaking up large gatherings once the street protests began.

  53. @Wilkey
    The next part of the war is the war on information. My (very Republican) state legislature just passed a bill to ban the public release of mug shots until an accused perp is convicted. One part of the justification for this was to counter the "misconception" that minorities commit a lot of crime, even though in debates I doubt that anyone provided any evidence showing that a disproportionate number of those charged but found not guilty are racial minorities.

    Given the sometimes huge lag time between murder and conviction - some trials don't start until years after the actual murder - that may mean a very long time before the public actually knows what the criminal looks like, or what his race is - usually by that time the crime has receded from memory, so many people aren't even paying attention anymore.

    So people will be left to the rather imperfect method of determining what a high profile accused perp looks like by searching Google or Facebook, which won't do anything to improve accuracy. Of course the perp's name is often a very good indicator, as well.

    The release of mug shots is probably somewhat useful in prosecuting a criminal. Witnesses may be able to provide information once they recognize a perp, and it's probably also pretty nice to have a publicly available mugshot when your name happens to be similar to the name of a high profile criminal.

    But that is the world we now live in, where a >70% Republican state legislature is passing a law banning the release of mug shots, to placate Blacks Love Murder. Or is it Black Lives Splatter?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Maybe the fact that blacks are only 1% of the population of Utah played a factor in Republican support? There are a lot of measures that make sense in a non-racial context that make a lot less sense once you introduce race into the equation. Even if blacks in Utah are 10x overrepresented in crime as they are elsewhere, they would still only be 10% of the criminals.

    • Replies: @Luzzatto
    @Jack D

    Black violence in Utah could skyrocket if The Mormon Church decides they want to try to attempt to convert Somali Muslims in mass towards Mormonism by working with The Biden Administration to bring in mass numbers of Somali Muslim refugees to Utah!

    Replies: @anon

    , @Wilkey
    @Jack D


    Maybe the fact that blacks are only 1% of the population of Utah played a factor in Republican support?
     
    To put it bluntly: the Mormon Church is going Woke. Mormon politicians are following suit. The press in this state - even (or especially) the press owned by the Mormon Church - will portray any real conservative as a crazed bigot. The press went batshit crazy after Sen. Bob Bennett was kicked out of office 10 years ago, and is as censorious and dishonest as any press anywhere in the country.

    I've speculated on the reasons for it here before, but ultimately I have no idea why. As always, I'm sure that, one way or another, it has everything to do with money. Sad that middle class white Mormon families struggling to get by are giving 10% of their incomes to a Church that has over $100 billion in assets and that actively hates them.

    Replies: @anon

  54. Steve:

    Off-topic, but The Onion has finally come around to “Invade the world, invite the world”:
    https://www.theonion.com/new-military-diversity-initiative-aims-to-make-leadersh-1846391375

    “New Military Diversity Initiative Aims To Make Leadership Look More Like Countries They Invade”

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @blah blah blah blah

    https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1367263520556003333

  55. @Jonathan Mason
    What Steve doesn't get is that the true statistics on the racial breakdown of homicides in the US are perfectly well-known to people in law enforcement, in the prison system, to the legal professions, to the courts, to the FBI, to criminologists, and to politicians and decision makers.

    However it is also true that the mass media do not dwell on the number of murders committed by blacks as this would be considered to be inflammatory and more likely to incite racial hatred.

    In the case of commercial TV news stations, their primary objective is to deliver eyeballs to advertisers, not to deliver accurate news.

    In the case of NPR radio, the primary objective is not to lose further government funding and commercial and foundation sponsorship.

    In general the American public is extremely poorly informed about most political issues, which is an even bigger concern, as far as the survival of democracy is concerned.

    A solution is not simply to inform blacks that they need to stop killing each other, but to get an ever larger number of blacks into the middle classes with middle class values. In general programs like enhanced hiring in government jobs do help to move in this direction but the progress is very slow.

    Replies: @Pericles, @ic1000, @El Dato, @Jack D, @Mr. Anon, @Redman, @anon, @TWS, @Anon

    However it is also true that the mass media do not dwell on the number of murders committed by blacks as this would be considered to be inflammatory and more likely to incite racial hatred.

    Would the average reader of the NYT be “incited” to racial hatred by simply having what’s plainly obvious to most observers reported accurately?

    When the truth is not fairly reported (or worse covered up), the social reaction is more likely to be volatile and violent. Most people do not like being lied to by their supposed betters.

  56. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    How about having the media just act as a neutral, non-political reporter of the truth without trying to spin it either way? How about the media not taking active measures to HIDE the truth, like no longer printing mug shots and purging their archives of the names of felons?

    I know it's too much to ask for the media to draw the right conclusions - that the main result of BLM has been to get a lot of black lives murdered by other blacks, dozens of times more than the handful of blacks who are shot by the police. I don't even need them to draw conclusions for me. I can draw my own conclusions, thank you and don't need them spoon fed to me by the media.

    But if they just went back to being neutral reporters and gave us the whole truth instead of taking active measures to hide the truth lest it cast blacks in a bad light or give aid and comfort to racists, that would really be not too much to ask. Reading the American press now is like reading Pravda in the old days - you have to read between the lines. If you read a story about an Asian being attacked and the race of the attacker is not mentioned, the practiced reader can read between the lines and infer that the attacker was black. I don't want to have to play such games.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @ic1000, @nebulafox, @Jonathan Mason, @Luzzatto, @Corvinus

    > Reading the American press now is like reading Pravda in the old days – you have to read between the lines. If you read a story about an Asian being attacked and the race of the attacker is not mentioned, the practiced reader can read between the lines and infer that the attacker was black.

    The key insight of our ‘clerisy’ Narrative builders and upholders is that stringent censorship is unnecessary. Granted, such measures have an impressive 20th century track record, e.g. Bolsheviks post 1917, Nazis post 1933, Maoists post 1949. iSteve readers (most of us) have pretty accurate ideas about crime in its national context and near our homes. No heroic samizdat smuggling required. Just knowledge of how to search and making the effort to evaluate the trustworthiness (honesty, competence) of sources.

    Meanwhile… on most topics, Mrs. ic1000 and most of my real-life family and friends maintain their faith in Lester Holt, Anthony Fauci, Jen Psaci, and the NYT. “You’re just being a contrarian… again.” For most people, that approach will continue to work, until it doesn’t.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @ic1000

    Michael Crichton posited the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect as follows:

    “Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them.

    In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.”

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  57. @Jonathan Mason
    But supposing that all the mass media news organizations made a really concerted effort to point out the race of murderers every day in news and current affairs programs, how exactly would this help with America's murder epidemic?

    In other countries like Jamaica, which has an extremely high murder rate, nobody is in any doubt about the race of the murderers, but while (middle class) politicians are certainly very concerned about the murder issue, particularly as it affects the general image of the country and its tourism industry, they don't seem to be able to stop it.

    Is it really just as simple as telling people "you are all murderous because you are black, so stop it?"

    Would it help, for instance, for media to show images of dead bodies, and pools of blood in the road, as they do in Hispanic countries? Would this help jolt the general public into a state of reality?

    Or should we have massive programs promoting free birth control to blacks and giving enhanced IRS refunds to people who can prove that they are using contraception?

    Replies: @Dissident799, @Bill Jones, @Jack D, @Redman, @William Badwhite

    There is, and has always been, a black community in America. Most blacks admit this, but many non-blacks try to pretend that everyone is beyond such base tribalism. This is a lie.

    The black community does have leaders and celebrities who speak to it. If those leaders and celebrities told members of their community that they need to check themselves, why wouldn’t it have an impact? But those black leaders and celebrities in 2021 don’t seem to have any interest in doing so.

    I recall a time not long ago when they did. Bill Cosby, Charles Barkley and even Jesse Jackson acknowledged the problems of criminality in the black community. What happened to those types of widely visible leaders?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Redman

    Cosby was sent to prison as a rapist.

  58. @Altai
    Also in terms of mass shootings, if Biden's admin makes Juneteenth a national holiday and the media pushes it either way, expect some high scores to be racked up at the epic bloc parties that are sure to happen.

    Juneteenth could become a byword for mass shootings.

    Replies: @Redman, @Alden

    Sort of like Puerto Rican pride day in NYC.

    For years it’s been known as the Sunday to leave the city for your own safety.

  59. But if you are the kind of smugly cultured person who avoids watching if-it-bleeds-it-leads local news, the only murders you hear about on the carefully curated national news are likely to be mass shootings. And most of the mass shooters you will hear about from NPR are likely to be white men. And, overwhelmingly, the mass shooters whose names become bywords for villainy in the prestige press and echo down through the decades, such as Dylann Roof, are white men. Hence, tens of millions believe that white men are the main murderers.

    But if you’re a smugly cultured NPR listening person, you typically don’t live in a significantly black neighborhood, and for a good reason. It’s violent there. In other words, it’s my belief that these people aren’t as oblivious or misled by the media as one might think. It isn’t just that they’re hearing the wrong facts. To one degree or another, they’re creating a market for the wrong facts with their political convictions. They’re influencing NPR as much as NPR is influencing them.

  60. Buffalo is becoming one of the most dangerous cities in America. Murders in January up 33% over Jan of 2020. Shootings up 102%. A black woman, with serious mental issues, that I know from the soup kitchen where my wife and I volunteer was shot in the chest about a week ago. She is still in hospital in serious condition. Why you would have to shoot this stick figure of a woman is beyond me. People are still getting their benefits, food pantries and soup kitchens are serving more than before but is it because people have nothing else to do? And, Erie Count is probably one of the hardest places in NYS to obtain a pistol permit.Sorry, I don’t think these are permit holders. Police union says it’s because of early release and bail reform. Just rambling here. Stay safe.

    • Thanks: Barack Hussein Obama
    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
    @Buffalo Joe


    A black woman, with serious mental issues, that I know from the soup kitchen where my wife and I volunteer was shot in the chest about a week ago.
     
    Maybe it's time to stop feeding the animals Joe. If you want to serve the poor, there's no shortage of poor White people in Appalachia that could use some help.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  61. I wonder how much more likely black on white crimes are likely to “go bad” meaning murder, than black on black, and if that is because of racial hatred, or because of the practical understanding by the black criminals that white victims don’t l get the no-snitching rule.

  62. anon[236] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    What Steve doesn't get is that the true statistics on the racial breakdown of homicides in the US are perfectly well-known to people in law enforcement, in the prison system, to the legal professions, to the courts, to the FBI, to criminologists, and to politicians and decision makers.

    However it is also true that the mass media do not dwell on the number of murders committed by blacks as this would be considered to be inflammatory and more likely to incite racial hatred.

    In the case of commercial TV news stations, their primary objective is to deliver eyeballs to advertisers, not to deliver accurate news.

    In the case of NPR radio, the primary objective is not to lose further government funding and commercial and foundation sponsorship.

    In general the American public is extremely poorly informed about most political issues, which is an even bigger concern, as far as the survival of democracy is concerned.

    A solution is not simply to inform blacks that they need to stop killing each other, but to get an ever larger number of blacks into the middle classes with middle class values. In general programs like enhanced hiring in government jobs do help to move in this direction but the progress is very slow.

    Replies: @Pericles, @ic1000, @El Dato, @Jack D, @Mr. Anon, @Redman, @anon, @TWS, @Anon

    A solution is not simply to inform blacks that they need to stop killing each other, but to get an ever larger number of blacks into the middle classes with middle class values.

    Golly! No one ever, ever thought of that before! Such a program would really, truly Make America Great, for sure! If we were able to get it through the Congress, that is.

    What should we call such a program to Make America Great?

    How about “The Great Society”? No one’s ever used that name, I am totally sure.

  63. anonymous[360] • Disclaimer says:

    Dolly Parton supports BLM

    Dolly Parton Says “Of Course Black Lives Matter”
    “Do we think our little white asses are the only ones that matter? No!”

    https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a33604787/dolly-parton-black-lives-matter/

    • Replies: @Luzzatto
    @anonymous

    Dolly Parton who was born in The Hillbilly Smoky Mountains of Tennessee is as Left Wing as the average San Franciscan and Tucker Carlson who was born in San Francisco is as Right Wing as the average Hillbilly from Smoky Mountains, Tennessee. Statistically the roles should be reversed!

    Replies: @anon

  64. Thanks, Buffalo Joe, for helping people.

    I think your police union has it pegged. The most dysfunctional communities in America need more strict policing not less strict. Less strict policing means more black deaths. It saddens me to see blacks vote left and the left inflict this carnage on their clients.

  65. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason


    In general programs like enhanced hiring in government jobs do help to move in this direction but the progress is very slow.
     
    Hiring less qualified blacks over more competent whites, sometimes to do makework jobs, has indeed helped to put many blacks into the middle class but at a high cost to society. The CDC's totally botched approach to Covid and to testing was not helped by the fact that much of the staff at CDC HQ in Blacklanta consisted of such affirmative action hires and many of them were "busy" working on the "fast food epidemic" or the "shooting epidemic". Imagine that the CDC budget instead had been dedicated to having the most qualified scientists (meaning mostly not black) working on actually controlling contagious diseases.

    I think it might be easier just to write blacks a check - it would cause less damage to society than putting them in positions for which they are not qualified or jobs such as "diversity coordinator" that are actually negative to productivity. Zero is better than a negative number.

    Replies: @Anon, @Walsh2, @Jonathan Mason

    You’re right, it would be easier to write them a check. If you truly think about it and consider all the variables in all aspects of American society – the amount of money/domestic policy/time/energy/resources spent on addressing black dysfunction and black folks in general it’s truly mind boggling. On this site alone, think how much time/energy/intellectual bandwidth is spent by Steve and others on the issue of black dysfunction and black folks in general.

  66. OT: Amusing article about how bad Baltimore schools are:

    City student passes 3 classes in four years, ranks near top half of class with 0.13 GPA

    https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/city-student-passes-3-classes-in-four-years-ranks-near-top-half-of-class-with-013-gpa

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @Anon

    A 0.13 GPA?!

    Yet another example of the grade inflation pervasive in public schools.

    This notion about gifting government jobs (only if there are enough to go around!) is ludicrous. With all the billions of tax dollars unconditionally doled out, who needs a government job?

    In the interest of preserving human dignity, we should reclassify EBTs as retired government workers.

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Anon

    Thanks for this link. I read the story, and it's so extreme I found it hard to believe it's real.

    It's hard to imagine a long-established, fully-funded institution that is a more comprehensive failure than that school system.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  67. @Redneck farmer
    Well, as you've pointed out, Steve, no one in the media cares if black people kill each other.
    And, let's face it, the media won't report anything counter-narrative, even if it would help reduce the problem they claim to be worried about.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Marty, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @Forbes

    “Well, as you’ve pointed out, Steve, no one in the media cares if black people kill each other.”

    Then that would be the only thing the l’chaimstream media and I have in common.

  68. anon[207] • Disclaimer says:

    Underlying all of this gaslighting and outright lying is the Blank Slate fallacy. It is a dogma that libtards simply cannot give up, because it’s part of their fundamental view of reality.

    This partly accounts for the ongoing intensification of hate directed at any white people who aren’t part of the Upper Middle Class: there are only two alternative explanations for dysfunctional black American communities, and “White Racism” is all they really have. Admitting that genes exist, that evolution is an ongoing process, that it doesn’t stop at the neck, that different groups of people have variations on common behaviors, that different is not automatically good or bad…it’s too complex for the superstitious cargo-cult libtards.

    The Western libtarded elites are not elite at all. They are actually quite defective. The “smart” ones are actually midwits, all of them are heavily invested in groupthink, and they simply cannot abide being contradicted by any fact.

    So they are stuck on stupid. And increasingly they are stuck on evil. Because persecuting the entire white working class and middle class into the dirt will not lift up anyone else. It will create, is already creating, serious fissures and cracks in US society. When people have no hope for themselves and their children, they can become quite angry and desperate.

    “Hate Whitey” is not a sound basis for an industrial society, but that’s where we appear to be headed and accelerating.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @anon


    The Western libtarded elites are not elite at all. They are actually quite defective. The “smart” ones are actually midwits, all of them are heavily invested in groupthink, and they simply cannot abide being contradicted by any fact.

    So they are stuck on stupid. And increasingly they are stuck on evil. Because persecuting the entire white working class and middle class into the dirt will not lift up anyone else.
     

    These are excellent observations.

    Regular readers here know my take on the Great Wokeness Revival, which is simply that our 'betters' are post-Christian heretics who take upon themselves the role and burden of 'saving' those they see as oppressed victims. These 'substitute saviors' are prideful in the extreme, and assume they are so clever, and so powerful, that they can alter the very nature of reality by re-engineering human nature.

    But they are terrible failures as saviors, as any mere humans must be -- so a Satan (i.e. racists/misogynists/bigots) must be identified and excoriated.

    As the evidence of their failure mounts, their ritualized responses become increasingly crazed, and their need to suppress the truth all-consuming.

  69. @Jonathan Mason
    But supposing that all the mass media news organizations made a really concerted effort to point out the race of murderers every day in news and current affairs programs, how exactly would this help with America's murder epidemic?

    In other countries like Jamaica, which has an extremely high murder rate, nobody is in any doubt about the race of the murderers, but while (middle class) politicians are certainly very concerned about the murder issue, particularly as it affects the general image of the country and its tourism industry, they don't seem to be able to stop it.

    Is it really just as simple as telling people "you are all murderous because you are black, so stop it?"

    Would it help, for instance, for media to show images of dead bodies, and pools of blood in the road, as they do in Hispanic countries? Would this help jolt the general public into a state of reality?

    Or should we have massive programs promoting free birth control to blacks and giving enhanced IRS refunds to people who can prove that they are using contraception?

    Replies: @Dissident799, @Bill Jones, @Jack D, @Redman, @William Badwhite

    Or should we have massive programs promoting free birth control to blacks and giving enhanced IRS refunds to people who can prove that they are using contraception?

    An excellent idea, one that I believe was tried (using Norplant) in I believe Baltimore 25+ years ago. Naturally this was racist and genocidal, so in order to keep your idea non-racist/genocidal, we should expand it to any convicted (violent) felon as well as anyone requiring public assistance to care for their children.

    Eugenics is a dirty word (it has been “discredited”, as claimed by people that don’t know the meaning of “discredited”) now, but it does not follow that dysgenics is therefore good.

    • Replies: @PSR
    @William Badwhite

    We need more than that to break the cycle of illegitimacy, fatherless households and feral youths. Each woman gets one freebie; if she has a second child while on public assistance she gets her tubes tied. The absent fathers should also be tracked down and given vasectomies.

  70. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    How about having the media just act as a neutral, non-political reporter of the truth without trying to spin it either way? How about the media not taking active measures to HIDE the truth, like no longer printing mug shots and purging their archives of the names of felons?

    I know it's too much to ask for the media to draw the right conclusions - that the main result of BLM has been to get a lot of black lives murdered by other blacks, dozens of times more than the handful of blacks who are shot by the police. I don't even need them to draw conclusions for me. I can draw my own conclusions, thank you and don't need them spoon fed to me by the media.

    But if they just went back to being neutral reporters and gave us the whole truth instead of taking active measures to hide the truth lest it cast blacks in a bad light or give aid and comfort to racists, that would really be not too much to ask. Reading the American press now is like reading Pravda in the old days - you have to read between the lines. If you read a story about an Asian being attacked and the race of the attacker is not mentioned, the practiced reader can read between the lines and infer that the attacker was black. I don't want to have to play such games.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @ic1000, @nebulafox, @Jonathan Mason, @Luzzatto, @Corvinus

    The media-and the modern Beltway in general-attracts pathological narcissists like schoolyards attract pedophiles, so… not counting on them changing any time soon, to say the least.

    IIRC, papers in early America often took the explicit side of one party or another: objectivity wasn’t considered a priority, or expected. So it might be that we’ve reverted back to normal, in the grand scheme of things.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @nebulafox

    That’s very true. But generally, there was at least one Republican and one Democrat paper in every city. But by 1970 they were all democrat liberal hate Whitey propaganda.

  71. @Redneck farmer
    Well, as you've pointed out, Steve, no one in the media cares if black people kill each other.
    And, let's face it, the media won't report anything counter-narrative, even if it would help reduce the problem they claim to be worried about.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Marty, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @Forbes

    I doubt it really matters how much information (data, facts, analysis) Steve provides.

    There is a significant portion of the white population (and others, too) who view black behavior and their adverse outcomes, and conclude it is per se the fault of whites. No amount of data, facts, or analysis will overcome these opinions.

  72. @Arclight
    @International Jew

    Yeah, having a lot of acquaintances on the left that I am only in touch with via social media now, it's remarkable how many openly champion things that are in no way 'liberal' but are outright authoritarian and/or punitive towards people they don't like.

    As Steve has repeatedly pointed out, the political coalition that makes up the left is held together by resentment/hatred of a perceived common enemy, not actual common cultural or economic interests. The establishment right has been oblivious to this for 30+ years at this point and has lost a ton of ground in its accommodationist approach towards the cultural demands of the left.

    Replies: @Forbes, @International Jew, @Corvinus

    The establishment right has been oblivious to this for 30+ years at this point and has lost a ton of ground in its accommodationist approach towards the cultural demands of the left.

    Bingo!

  73. TWS says:

    The minority neighborhoods produce terrible victims. Few will talk and fewer will be honest. Even if they are the victims, they hate authority more.

    I’m guessing the Laotians were another gang hit probably Oriental maybe Hmong. They’re remarkably shooty and stabby. But at the bottom of any Oriental gang member is a stone killer. The Wah Mee massacre were teenage boys barely in one case. I knew the kid to say hello and chat a bit. We were about the same age.

  74. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    How about having the media just act as a neutral, non-political reporter of the truth without trying to spin it either way? How about the media not taking active measures to HIDE the truth, like no longer printing mug shots and purging their archives of the names of felons?

    I know it's too much to ask for the media to draw the right conclusions - that the main result of BLM has been to get a lot of black lives murdered by other blacks, dozens of times more than the handful of blacks who are shot by the police. I don't even need them to draw conclusions for me. I can draw my own conclusions, thank you and don't need them spoon fed to me by the media.

    But if they just went back to being neutral reporters and gave us the whole truth instead of taking active measures to hide the truth lest it cast blacks in a bad light or give aid and comfort to racists, that would really be not too much to ask. Reading the American press now is like reading Pravda in the old days - you have to read between the lines. If you read a story about an Asian being attacked and the race of the attacker is not mentioned, the practiced reader can read between the lines and infer that the attacker was black. I don't want to have to play such games.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @ic1000, @nebulafox, @Jonathan Mason, @Luzzatto, @Corvinus

    How about having the media just act as a neutral, non-political reporter of the truth without trying to spin it either way? How about the media not taking active measures to HIDE the truth, like no longer printing mug shots and purging their archives of the names of felons?

    Quite so, the news could then be more like this:

    The prisoners are saying things like they are not treated like human beings, don’t get medications, and so on.

    When was the last time you saw a US reporter roaming round a prison and interviewing prisoners?

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan Mason replies to Jack D:


    ... the news could then be more like this:

    [video of mistreatment of prisoners in the Dominican Republic]

    The prisoners are saying things like they are not treated like human beings, don’t get medications, and so on.
     

    Jails on Hispaniola are 'not my problem,' but perhaps you aren't particularly passionate about that island, either. That clip was just a stand-in for an expose of the abusive practices in American prisons. Which are legion.

    You got plenty of pushback on your comments #4 and #5, which are silly excuse-makings for the mainstream media's preference for selling ideology over reporting news. So your shift to incarceration has a touch of Look A Squirrel.

    But if your point is that a U.S. prison is an ugly, dehumanizing place to call home, you are still right. Citizens should care.

    A long time back, a guy named Chris Rock had some advice to offer on how to stay out of jail. That'd be one place to start.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jonathan Mason


    When was the last time you saw a US reporter roaming round a prison and interviewing prisoners?
     
    Skip the middleman and open them to the public as zoos. Complimentary full face visor and feces poncho provided to all visitors.
    , @Franz Liszt von Raiding
    @Jonathan Mason

    Why deceive? Is truth-telling too boring for you? Then you should NOT HAVE pursued journalism! This modern notion of “ journalist as activist” inevitably leads to both jobs being done poorly. If there weren’t mega billionaires propping up these evil disinformers providing the curated news then the public would’ve voted with their wallets to force them into bankruptcy.
    Moreover If you keep being distracted by Blackety Black blah blah blahk blahk blah then the left’s tactical misdirection worked. You don’t even think to ask how election laws were changed and ballots weren’t examined by republicans. So not a single recount was necessary in the whole country? Trump won 13 of 15 bellweather counties but lost the election ?!? (odds of 1 in ten quadrillion). Amazing stats but NOTHING TO SEE HERE! Right Steverino?

  75. @Buffalo Joe
    Buffalo is becoming one of the most dangerous cities in America. Murders in January up 33% over Jan of 2020. Shootings up 102%. A black woman, with serious mental issues, that I know from the soup kitchen where my wife and I volunteer was shot in the chest about a week ago. She is still in hospital in serious condition. Why you would have to shoot this stick figure of a woman is beyond me. People are still getting their benefits, food pantries and soup kitchens are serving more than before but is it because people have nothing else to do? And, Erie Count is probably one of the hardest places in NYS to obtain a pistol permit.Sorry, I don't think these are permit holders. Police union says it's because of early release and bail reform. Just rambling here. Stay safe.

    Replies: @Johnny Smoggins

    A black woman, with serious mental issues, that I know from the soup kitchen where my wife and I volunteer was shot in the chest about a week ago.

    Maybe it’s time to stop feeding the animals Joe. If you want to serve the poor, there’s no shortage of poor White people in Appalachia that could use some help.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Johnny Smoggins

    Johnny, thanks for the reply. The soup kitchen is a half hour drive for me into Buffalo. Appallachia is pretty far. We are just serving the poor where we find them. Stay safe.

  76. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason


    In general programs like enhanced hiring in government jobs do help to move in this direction but the progress is very slow.
     
    Hiring less qualified blacks over more competent whites, sometimes to do makework jobs, has indeed helped to put many blacks into the middle class but at a high cost to society. The CDC's totally botched approach to Covid and to testing was not helped by the fact that much of the staff at CDC HQ in Blacklanta consisted of such affirmative action hires and many of them were "busy" working on the "fast food epidemic" or the "shooting epidemic". Imagine that the CDC budget instead had been dedicated to having the most qualified scientists (meaning mostly not black) working on actually controlling contagious diseases.

    I think it might be easier just to write blacks a check - it would cause less damage to society than putting them in positions for which they are not qualified or jobs such as "diversity coordinator" that are actually negative to productivity. Zero is better than a negative number.

    Replies: @Anon, @Walsh2, @Jonathan Mason

    Maybe, but a lot of blacks who get state jobs in mental hospitals, prisons, law enforcement, or airport security with good pensions and health insurance eventually buy their own homes and have kids who go to college.

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @Jonathan Mason

    Your economic ignorance is glaring.

    What’s not so obvious is the damage caused by the government enabling home buying: extra bids tend to up purchase prices.

    Government spending is an unavoidable tax.

    Big picture, recipients of government spending, including its “workforce” and Section 8s, distort the housing market, e.g. whack affordability.

    Replies: @Alden

  77. TWS says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    What Steve doesn't get is that the true statistics on the racial breakdown of homicides in the US are perfectly well-known to people in law enforcement, in the prison system, to the legal professions, to the courts, to the FBI, to criminologists, and to politicians and decision makers.

    However it is also true that the mass media do not dwell on the number of murders committed by blacks as this would be considered to be inflammatory and more likely to incite racial hatred.

    In the case of commercial TV news stations, their primary objective is to deliver eyeballs to advertisers, not to deliver accurate news.

    In the case of NPR radio, the primary objective is not to lose further government funding and commercial and foundation sponsorship.

    In general the American public is extremely poorly informed about most political issues, which is an even bigger concern, as far as the survival of democracy is concerned.

    A solution is not simply to inform blacks that they need to stop killing each other, but to get an ever larger number of blacks into the middle classes with middle class values. In general programs like enhanced hiring in government jobs do help to move in this direction but the progress is very slow.

    Replies: @Pericles, @ic1000, @El Dato, @Jack D, @Mr. Anon, @Redman, @anon, @TWS, @Anon

    Oh, so close then you fumble it on the five yard line. Getting blacks into the middle class won’t do it. Middle class America except deep country is degenerate and will not provide the solid boundaries needed. Better moral code, stronger community ties, scorn for the thug life are necessary. Materially they are better off than ever, morally all America is sliding down the greasy slope.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @TWS

    TWS,..."scorn for the thug life." That would be a start, but high profile black athletes seem to embrace it.

  78. @anon

    Oklahoma man accused of triple murder confessed to killing neighbor and cooking her heart ‘with potatoes
     
    Lawrence Anderson, the self confessed murderer, was Black, although Washington Post readers would never know. But for some reason, New York Times readers surprisingly were treated with a large photo of the perp. I was shocked since the Times seldom goes off script. That Times issue also had a lengthy article about the Smith College quasi hoax 2018 racial incident.

    Are we in a Post Trump revision of the semi official Narrative? Allowing brief glimpses of nuance. And Governor Cuomo just got me too'ed. Without the Krazy Glue of TDS, liberals are openly duking it out with woke progressives.

    Meanwhile:

    Domestic Terrorism Threat Is ‘Metastasizing’ in U.S., F.B.I. Director Says
    Christopher A. Wray condemned the Capitol riot and told the Senate Judiciary Committee that agents had opened 2,000 domestic terrorism inquiries in recent years.

     

    It is ambiguous, but we now discover it is growing, racially motivated, and includes Antifa. WTF.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    Now that the anti-porn crusade has come to Unz ( https://www.unz.com/article/oppression-by-orgasm/), I guess we shouldn’t be surprised at this:

    Gonna make some really PO’ed folks.

  79. It’s worse than that! Almost all Black murders are males aged 14-30 yrs old. This group comprises less than 2% of USA population.

    Thus nearly 60% of murders are committed by only 2% of our population.

    These people bring great misery and social and economic distress on Americans.

    If only there was some way to remove this blight from our land. Could 14-30 yr old male Blacks be sent to Africa during those 16 years? They could reconnect with their homeland and experience the wonders and beauty of Mother Africa

  80. @Dissident799
    How do I get out of comment moderation purgatory? I put in an email address and have checked the saved info box, but every comment still sits and waits.

    Replies: @HFR

    Dissident799: You get out of comment-moderation purgatory as soon as Mr. Sailer decides that you have expiated your sins. My own comments marinate there for a long time, but as a fellow Catholic, I understand the drill.

  81. @Dissident799
    @Jonathan Mason


    But supposing that all the mass media news organizations made a really concerted effort to point out the race of murderers every day in news and current affairs programs, how exactly would this help with America’s murder epidemic?
     
    The point isn't to help with the murder epidemic. The point is to educate people to the real problems in the black community. As recent polling has shown, a large number of people in this country think that the police are gunning down thousands of unarmed blacks every year instead of the ten or so actually killed. A huge number of leftys think that that white supremacy and police violence are the cause of all black people's problems when the real cause is black stupidity and black violence.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Diss, well stated. The MSM had a photo of the body of a small migrant boy who drowned and washed up on the shore of Italy, IIRC. They played it on a loop. However, there are dozens of small black children shot and killed each year and we rarely hear about their murders or see their little bodies draped by a tarp on the street. Mylar balloons, votive candles, stuffed animals and flowers always. When the black community finds these murders to be heinous enough to block traffic or drag the perps into the street for a beat down, then I’ll care. Well, that’s just BS on my part. I care but what could I do to prevent any of this? In four years obama 2.0 will have solved all of this. However, I will offer odds that biden-harris will leave a legacy more POC destruction.

    • Agree: Dissident799
    • Replies: @Marty
    @Buffalo Joe


    I care but what could I do to prevent any of this?
     
    Joe, 20 years ago a black guy in his 60’s asked me to “help stop the vahlintz - we gotta stop the vahlintz” in Marin City. The latest death was a star high school running back, apparently headed for D-1. The speaker was an interesting guy, originally from Detroit, he told me he spent his career in Alaska listening in on the Russians. I told him the whole reason for the problem with the vahlintz was that Black people consider white people to have nothing worth hearing.
  82. @Mike_from_SGV
    @Abe

    A Republican candidate who was more competent and less needlessly inflammatory would have defeated Biden easily. A lesson for 2024.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Anon7

    A Republican candidate who was more competent and less needlessly inflammatory would have defeated Biden easily. A lesson for 2024.

    I agree with your comment in most respects. However…

    Trump’s one real virtue was that, like Lincoln said of General Grant, “He fights.”

    Most of the “inflammatory” things Trump said weren’t any more inflammatory than many of the things people on the Left routinely say but are always given a pass on. Is saying that Mexico ‘isn’t sending its best’ any worse that a Democrat who claims that we have no right to defend our border at all?

    Just as one stunning example, can you imagine if, just days before taking office, Trump had said he was going to help small businesses, but only those small businesses owned by whites and men? Well that’s exactly what Biden *did* say, except that he was only going to help non-white and female-owned businesses. MSM reaction: crickets.

    So yes, Trump said plenty of inflammatory things, but they were only inflammatory in the sense that the press gave far more attention to Trump’s statements them than to all of the inflammatory things politicians on the Left have said, as demonstrated by the media spending months make excuses for all the politically-motivated violence last summer but suddenly being shocked by the violence on January 6.

  83. @Jack D
    @Wilkey

    Maybe the fact that blacks are only 1% of the population of Utah played a factor in Republican support? There are a lot of measures that make sense in a non-racial context that make a lot less sense once you introduce race into the equation. Even if blacks in Utah are 10x overrepresented in crime as they are elsewhere, they would still only be 10% of the criminals.

    Replies: @Luzzatto, @Wilkey

    Black violence in Utah could skyrocket if The Mormon Church decides they want to try to attempt to convert Somali Muslims in mass towards Mormonism by working with The Biden Administration to bring in mass numbers of Somali Muslim refugees to Utah!

    • Replies: @anon
    @Luzzatto

    For theological reasons the LDS church is much more interested in bringing people from Central and South America into Utah than Somali or other Africans. This has the effect of allying the LDS hierarchy with Catholic and Lutheran relief organizations, two orgs that have done a great deal of harm to several states.

    Replies: @Wilkey

  84. @TWS
    @Jonathan Mason

    Oh, so close then you fumble it on the five yard line. Getting blacks into the middle class won't do it. Middle class America except deep country is degenerate and will not provide the solid boundaries needed. Better moral code, stronger community ties, scorn for the thug life are necessary. Materially they are better off than ever, morally all America is sliding down the greasy slope.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    TWS,…”scorn for the thug life.” That would be a start, but high profile black athletes seem to embrace it.

  85. Anon[151] • Disclaimer says:

    When it began to warm up in Chicago, a car-jacking and ATM theft ring hit 12 businesses in a matter of hours. Shootings also spiked dramatically on Feb 28th. This points towards a high-crime spring, summer, and fall.

    https://cwbchicago.com/2021/02/armed-carjacking-and-atm-theft-team-strikes-12-businesses-overnight-as-fbi-joins-the-hunt.html

    https://heyjackass.com/

    Now that the Democrats are in charge, you should expect criminals to go wild in 2021 because they know the authorities are going easy on crime. This is going to be a miserable year for you if you live in a big city.

    Yes, Covid is vanishing, but you’re going to experience the wrong end of a crime wave that’s like nothing you’ve ever seen before, now that the Democrats have abdicated their responsibility to keep the peace. Our big cities are going to end up with the crime rate of Mexican cities, and big city liberals are going to be shocked when it hits them.

    A daily gunshot rate in the teens may become old hat. If it hits 30-40 people shot a day in a city, that’s more like low-intensive warfare. That’s like living in a bad neighborhood in Syria.

  86. @anonymous
    Dolly Parton supports BLM

    Dolly Parton Says “Of Course Black Lives Matter”
    “Do we think our little white asses are the only ones that matter? No!”
     
    https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a33604787/dolly-parton-black-lives-matter/

    Replies: @Luzzatto

    Dolly Parton who was born in The Hillbilly Smoky Mountains of Tennessee is as Left Wing as the average San Franciscan and Tucker Carlson who was born in San Francisco is as Right Wing as the average Hillbilly from Smoky Mountains, Tennessee. Statistically the roles should be reversed!

    • Replies: @anon
    @Luzzatto


    and Tucker Carlson who was born in San Francisco is as Right Wing as the average Hillbilly from Smoky Mountains, Tennessee.
     
    Tucker Carlson is a big lib.
  87. @Jack D
    @Wilkey

    Maybe the fact that blacks are only 1% of the population of Utah played a factor in Republican support? There are a lot of measures that make sense in a non-racial context that make a lot less sense once you introduce race into the equation. Even if blacks in Utah are 10x overrepresented in crime as they are elsewhere, they would still only be 10% of the criminals.

    Replies: @Luzzatto, @Wilkey

    Maybe the fact that blacks are only 1% of the population of Utah played a factor in Republican support?

    To put it bluntly: the Mormon Church is going Woke. Mormon politicians are following suit. The press in this state – even (or especially) the press owned by the Mormon Church – will portray any real conservative as a crazed bigot. The press went batshit crazy after Sen. Bob Bennett was kicked out of office 10 years ago, and is as censorious and dishonest as any press anywhere in the country.

    I’ve speculated on the reasons for it here before, but ultimately I have no idea why. As always, I’m sure that, one way or another, it has everything to do with money. Sad that middle class white Mormon families struggling to get by are giving 10% of their incomes to a Church that has over $100 billion in assets and that actively hates them.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Wilkey

    To put it bluntly: the Mormon Church is going Woke. Mormon politicians are following suit. The press in this state – even (or especially) the press owned by the Mormon Church – will portray any real conservative as a crazed bigot.

    Case in point, Mitt Romney is accepted as a pro-family conservative.

    The LDS church had to undergo some real change back in the 1970's when it nearly lost Federal tax exemption over the issue of black church members. I suspect the LDS colleges and uni's have undergone the same Gramscian march that just about every other institution has suffered, and therefore Utah / LDS elites are as affected by GlobalHomo as others.

    As always, I’m sure that, one way or another, it has everything to do with money.

    That's a part, the ultra elites in the US just want more, more, more. Bain Capital achieved a lot of monetary gain by ripping companies to pieces in middle America, taking them public, driving them into bankruptcy then selling the remains to China. Because hey, an increase of 1/10th of 1% gain in a stock portfolio was surely worth it, right? Except to the people who watched their job evaporate, eh, little people...who cares?

    But there's also something else going on, because if it was only about money then many of these more blatant power plays wouldn't be seen. Blatant as in "we can do this to you and you cannot stop us" actions, where the elite just rubs their shit all over everyone else - that's not money, that's power. Prop. 8 in California banning gay marriage in 2008 could have been overturned with a couple of years of propaganda campaign, but that wasn't good enough. No, GlobalHomo had to find a judge who would invalidate the entire initiative - destroying a concept the Progressives of 120 years ago held nearly sacred - in order to install gay marriage immediately,- right now! - and oh, yeah, show the little people they have zero power. Zero! You do all the work to get a Proposition on the ballot, then more work to pass it? Faugh! We piss on you with our tame judges!

    There is a real "us hate them" mindset among the US elites now, and it isn't gonna end well.

  88. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    How about having the media just act as a neutral, non-political reporter of the truth without trying to spin it either way? How about the media not taking active measures to HIDE the truth, like no longer printing mug shots and purging their archives of the names of felons?

    I know it's too much to ask for the media to draw the right conclusions - that the main result of BLM has been to get a lot of black lives murdered by other blacks, dozens of times more than the handful of blacks who are shot by the police. I don't even need them to draw conclusions for me. I can draw my own conclusions, thank you and don't need them spoon fed to me by the media.

    But if they just went back to being neutral reporters and gave us the whole truth instead of taking active measures to hide the truth lest it cast blacks in a bad light or give aid and comfort to racists, that would really be not too much to ask. Reading the American press now is like reading Pravda in the old days - you have to read between the lines. If you read a story about an Asian being attacked and the race of the attacker is not mentioned, the practiced reader can read between the lines and infer that the attacker was black. I don't want to have to play such games.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @ic1000, @nebulafox, @Jonathan Mason, @Luzzatto, @Corvinus

    More people in tropical climate countries die per year due to falling coconuts from trees onto people’s skulls than do unarmed Black men in the hands of White police officers in The United States per year!

  89. anon[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey
    @Jack D


    Maybe the fact that blacks are only 1% of the population of Utah played a factor in Republican support?
     
    To put it bluntly: the Mormon Church is going Woke. Mormon politicians are following suit. The press in this state - even (or especially) the press owned by the Mormon Church - will portray any real conservative as a crazed bigot. The press went batshit crazy after Sen. Bob Bennett was kicked out of office 10 years ago, and is as censorious and dishonest as any press anywhere in the country.

    I've speculated on the reasons for it here before, but ultimately I have no idea why. As always, I'm sure that, one way or another, it has everything to do with money. Sad that middle class white Mormon families struggling to get by are giving 10% of their incomes to a Church that has over $100 billion in assets and that actively hates them.

    Replies: @anon

    To put it bluntly: the Mormon Church is going Woke. Mormon politicians are following suit. The press in this state – even (or especially) the press owned by the Mormon Church – will portray any real conservative as a crazed bigot.

    Case in point, Mitt Romney is accepted as a pro-family conservative.

    The LDS church had to undergo some real change back in the 1970’s when it nearly lost Federal tax exemption over the issue of black church members. I suspect the LDS colleges and uni’s have undergone the same Gramscian march that just about every other institution has suffered, and therefore Utah / LDS elites are as affected by GlobalHomo as others.

    As always, I’m sure that, one way or another, it has everything to do with money.

    That’s a part, the ultra elites in the US just want more, more, more. Bain Capital achieved a lot of monetary gain by ripping companies to pieces in middle America, taking them public, driving them into bankruptcy then selling the remains to China. Because hey, an increase of 1/10th of 1% gain in a stock portfolio was surely worth it, right? Except to the people who watched their job evaporate, eh, little people…who cares?

    But there’s also something else going on, because if it was only about money then many of these more blatant power plays wouldn’t be seen. Blatant as in “we can do this to you and you cannot stop us” actions, where the elite just rubs their shit all over everyone else – that’s not money, that’s power. Prop. 8 in California banning gay marriage in 2008 could have been overturned with a couple of years of propaganda campaign, but that wasn’t good enough. No, GlobalHomo had to find a judge who would invalidate the entire initiative – destroying a concept the Progressives of 120 years ago held nearly sacred – in order to install gay marriage immediately,- right now! – and oh, yeah, show the little people they have zero power. Zero! You do all the work to get a Proposition on the ballot, then more work to pass it? Faugh! We piss on you with our tame judges!

    There is a real “us hate them” mindset among the US elites now, and it isn’t gonna end well.

  90. @Mike_from_SGV
    @Abe

    A Republican candidate who was more competent and less needlessly inflammatory would have defeated Biden easily. A lesson for 2024.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Anon7

    The Left media has mastered the art of making Republicans appear less competent and appear needlessly inflammatory.

    These traits, which you ascribe to Donald Trump, are almost entirely the creation of the media. You’re completely bamboozled.

  91. @William Badwhite
    @Jonathan Mason


    Or should we have massive programs promoting free birth control to blacks and giving enhanced IRS refunds to people who can prove that they are using contraception?
     
    An excellent idea, one that I believe was tried (using Norplant) in I believe Baltimore 25+ years ago. Naturally this was racist and genocidal, so in order to keep your idea non-racist/genocidal, we should expand it to any convicted (violent) felon as well as anyone requiring public assistance to care for their children.

    Eugenics is a dirty word (it has been "discredited", as claimed by people that don't know the meaning of "discredited") now, but it does not follow that dysgenics is therefore good.

    Replies: @PSR

    We need more than that to break the cycle of illegitimacy, fatherless households and feral youths. Each woman gets one freebie; if she has a second child while on public assistance she gets her tubes tied. The absent fathers should also be tracked down and given vasectomies.

  92. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D


    How about having the media just act as a neutral, non-political reporter of the truth without trying to spin it either way? How about the media not taking active measures to HIDE the truth, like no longer printing mug shots and purging their archives of the names of felons?
     
    Quite so, the news could then be more like this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqGGrDsqkj0

    The prisoners are saying things like they are not treated like human beings, don't get medications, and so on.

    When was the last time you saw a US reporter roaming round a prison and interviewing prisoners?

    Replies: @ic1000, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Franz Liszt von Raiding

    Jonathan Mason replies to Jack D:

    … the news could then be more like this:

    The prisoners are saying things like they are not treated like human beings, don’t get medications, and so on.

    Jails on Hispaniola are ‘not my problem,’ but perhaps you aren’t particularly passionate about that island, either. That clip was just a stand-in for an expose of the abusive practices in American prisons. Which are legion.

    You got plenty of pushback on your comments #4 and #5, which are silly excuse-makings for the mainstream media’s preference for selling ideology over reporting news. So your shift to incarceration has a touch of Look A Squirrel.

    But if your point is that a U.S. prison is an ugly, dehumanizing place to call home, you are still right. Citizens should care.

    A long time back, a guy named Chris Rock had some advice to offer on how to stay out of jail. That’d be one place to start.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @ic1000

    No my point was that this was an excellent piece of objective reporting. There were no words, no opinions, no points of view, no spin, no Dan Rather telling you what to think, they just showed you what had happened, and you could draw your own conclusions.

    Bodies, rope, fence, pissed off prisoners, armed guards, shots fired, control reestablished.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @ic1000


    You got plenty of pushback on your comments #4 and #5, which are silly excuse-makings for the mainstream media’s preference for selling ideology over reporting news. So your shift to incarceration has a touch of Look A Squirrel.
     
    They are not "selling ideology", they are selling advertising to corporations.

    The video I quote today was simply an example of reporting the news without commentary and allowing the viewer to draw their own conclusions.

    By the way I do think that most of the young folks who put out local television news are pretty clueless, but I don't think this is anything to do with ideology.

    They are just people working for corporations so don't make a whole lot of money, and who are trying to put out a product every day.

    The national media have reporters and commentators who are paid vast amounts of money, so they are strongly motivated to preserve the status quo at all costs.
  93. @Redman
    @Jonathan Mason

    There is, and has always been, a black community in America. Most blacks admit this, but many non-blacks try to pretend that everyone is beyond such base tribalism. This is a lie.

    The black community does have leaders and celebrities who speak to it. If those leaders and celebrities told members of their community that they need to check themselves, why wouldn't it have an impact? But those black leaders and celebrities in 2021 don't seem to have any interest in doing so.

    I recall a time not long ago when they did. Bill Cosby, Charles Barkley and even Jesse Jackson acknowledged the problems of criminality in the black community. What happened to those types of widely visible leaders?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Cosby was sent to prison as a rapist.

  94. @ic1000
    @Jonathan Mason

    I appreciate your two comments (this one and the subsequent one, timestamped 11:36 am GMT). You're one of the few non-dissident non-idiots to comment here. You don't come across as a rocket surgeon (but neither do I). Since most people are about average in insight, your perspective is valuable.

    > What Steve doesn’t get

    Oh, Steve gets it just fine. Even us median readers get it.

    > is that the true statistics on the racial breakdown of homicides in the US are perfectly well-known to people in law enforcement, in the prison system, to the legal professions, to the courts, to the FBI, to criminologists, and to politicians and decision makers.

    Quite so, although temper that with the "political correctness makes you stupid" aphorism.

    > However it is also true that the mass media do not dwell on the number of murders committed by blacks as this would be considered to be inflammatory and more likely to incite racial hatred.

    As somebody who watches NBC Nightly News With Lester Holt to the extent I can tolerate it: I agree. To improve your notion by rephrasing it in the active voice -- mainstream reporters, showrunners, editors, and publishers believe that accurate reporting on violence committed by blacks would be inflammatory and likely to incite racial hatred of blacks by white people.

    I'd express it this way: Mainstream elites and their left-wing and PoC auxiliaries claim that non-elite non-lefty whites -- i.e. middle-class, working-class, and conservative whites -- are uniquely bigoted. They Can't Handle The Truth. It's the Devil's work to do anything other than (as Mollie Ball put it) striving to fortify democracy by misleading these proto-white-supremacists. ("Mislead," because it's against journalistic ethics to outright lie.)

    > A solution is not simply to inform blacks that they need to stop killing each other

    Anybody who has read this far into the comments is quite aware of Sailer's policy prescription on this point. Why do you prefer a Straw Man paraphrase? It's not that much work to copy-paste a pithy quote.

    This is particularly precious to me, thanks to NBC News. Last week provided plenty of examples of "avoiding inflammatory reporting." Lester Holt's team repeatedly celebrated Asian-American activists fighting back against the racist attacks on the elderly in their community. "Inspiring America" (Lester's words) by uniting with fellow oppressed PoCs and rallying around the BLM flag.

    It's too bad that there aren't more videos, mug shots, eyewitness accounts, etc. that could shed some light on which whites are behind these attacks, and exactly what part of their supremacist ideology drives them to this dastardly violence. But while we're waiting, let's defend our Asian neighbors by ever-more-forcefully denouncing these white Wreckers. I hear (though not from NBC News) that Smith College is full of them!

    > but to get an ever larger number of blacks into the middle classes with middle class values. In general programs like enhanced hiring in government jobs do help to move in this direction but the progress is very slow.

    Uh huh. Last I heard, it may take as long as twenty-five years!

    Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    You actually WATCH Lester Holt? NBC News?

    I don’t know whether to admire you for watching the other side display their all-too-well-known idiocy, presumably in an effort to give the other side some “due,” or to find it appalling that you actually spend time watching the other side display their all-too-well-known idiocy.

    Then again, I am a conflicted personality, so I’ll just say you’re a better human than me.

  95. OT

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/mar/03/incel-movement-terror-threat-canada

    “The misogynist incel movement is spreading. Should it be classified as a terror threat?”

    Incel-related violence “seems to be increasing,” said Alex DiBranco, the executive director of the Institute for Research on Male Supremacism

    LOL. That sounds like a pretty neutral source. I guess the Society for Cutting Up Men were unavailable.

    PS – Valerie Solanas died in SF in 1988 of pneumonia aged 52. Did she have AIDS, or was her lifestyle just unhealthy? People of that age rarely keel over with pneumonia.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Institute for Research on Male Supremacism

    https://www.malesupremacism.org/founders/


    "DiBranco is a Sociology Ph.D. candidate at Yale University, affiliated with the Berkeley Center for Right-Wing Studies, and a 2019-2020 Dangerous Speech Project Global Research Initiative Fellow."
     
    https://dangerousspeech.org/about-dangerous-speech/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Benesch

    https://i.postimg.cc/TYVKc9hP/benesch.jpg

    Benesch was born in 1964 in New York. She is of Czech ancestry on her father's side, and her family was described as "upper-middle class". Benesch described herself as descending from "immigrants, refugees and people who were killed because other people had been taught to hate them". After graduating from Columbia University, she worked in journalism, including as staff writer for the Miami Herald in Haiti and St. Petersburg Times' correspondent in Latin America. She is fluent in Spanish. Benesch earned a JD at Yale in 2001 and a LLM from Georgetown University Law Center in 2008. Benesch worked for the NGOs Amnesty International and Human Rights First, and is currently the faculty associate of Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society at Harvard University. She founded the Dangerous Speech Project with a grant from the MacArthur Foundation.

     

    That whirring sound is John D MacArthur rotating in his grave at 7,000 rpm.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_D._MacArthur

    John Donald MacArthur was born in Pittston, Pennsylvania,[1] as the seventh child. He and his many siblings grew up in poverty, the children of an itinerant Baptist preacher and his resourceful wife.

     

  96. @Buffalo Joe
    @Dissident799

    Diss, well stated. The MSM had a photo of the body of a small migrant boy who drowned and washed up on the shore of Italy, IIRC. They played it on a loop. However, there are dozens of small black children shot and killed each year and we rarely hear about their murders or see their little bodies draped by a tarp on the street. Mylar balloons, votive candles, stuffed animals and flowers always. When the black community finds these murders to be heinous enough to block traffic or drag the perps into the street for a beat down, then I'll care. Well, that's just BS on my part. I care but what could I do to prevent any of this? In four years obama 2.0 will have solved all of this. However, I will offer odds that biden-harris will leave a legacy more POC destruction.

    Replies: @Marty

    I care but what could I do to prevent any of this?

    Joe, 20 years ago a black guy in his 60’s asked me to “help stop the vahlintz – we gotta stop the vahlintz” in Marin City. The latest death was a star high school running back, apparently headed for D-1. The speaker was an interesting guy, originally from Detroit, he told me he spent his career in Alaska listening in on the Russians. I told him the whole reason for the problem with the vahlintz was that Black people consider white people to have nothing worth hearing.

  97. @Anon
    OT: Amusing article about how bad Baltimore schools are:

    City student passes 3 classes in four years, ranks near top half of class with 0.13 GPA

    https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/city-student-passes-3-classes-in-four-years-ranks-near-top-half-of-class-with-013-gpa

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @The Last Real Calvinist

    A 0.13 GPA?!

    Yet another example of the grade inflation pervasive in public schools.

    This notion about gifting government jobs (only if there are enough to go around!) is ludicrous. With all the billions of tax dollars unconditionally doled out, who needs a government job?

    In the interest of preserving human dignity, we should reclassify EBTs as retired government workers.

  98. @Almost Missouri

    As they say in the kinds of neighborhoods where these kinds of shootings happen, snitches get stitches.
     
    That's a racist trope from the (thankfully now banned) book of white supremacist Dr. Seuss: Sneetches Get Steeches!

    Thank goodness our Woke Guardians have rid us of the rubbery-lipped drawings of that turbulent illustrator!

    Replies: @john cronk, @MBlanc46

    Re: Dr. Seuss censoring
    Shameful and odious. The organization which exists to protect and disseminate his work serving as the agent of its destruction.

    I sat myself down and I scribbled some books
    I worded the wordings for nice-sounding hooks
    But PC nose-nosies then gave me some looks
    Deciding just what can remain or be took

  99. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    What Steve doesn't get is that the true statistics on the racial breakdown of homicides in the US are perfectly well-known to people in law enforcement, in the prison system, to the legal professions, to the courts, to the FBI, to criminologists, and to politicians and decision makers.

    However it is also true that the mass media do not dwell on the number of murders committed by blacks as this would be considered to be inflammatory and more likely to incite racial hatred.

    In the case of commercial TV news stations, their primary objective is to deliver eyeballs to advertisers, not to deliver accurate news.

    In the case of NPR radio, the primary objective is not to lose further government funding and commercial and foundation sponsorship.

    In general the American public is extremely poorly informed about most political issues, which is an even bigger concern, as far as the survival of democracy is concerned.

    A solution is not simply to inform blacks that they need to stop killing each other, but to get an ever larger number of blacks into the middle classes with middle class values. In general programs like enhanced hiring in government jobs do help to move in this direction but the progress is very slow.

    Replies: @Pericles, @ic1000, @El Dato, @Jack D, @Mr. Anon, @Redman, @anon, @TWS, @Anon

    However it is also true that the mass media do not dwell on the number of murders committed by blacks as this would be considered to be inflammatory and more likely to incite racial hatred.

    It is inflammatory to conceal such information. Doing so invites racial hatred against Whites.

    Revealing the truth would foster solidarity among Whites.

  100. @Luzzatto
    @anonymous

    Dolly Parton who was born in The Hillbilly Smoky Mountains of Tennessee is as Left Wing as the average San Franciscan and Tucker Carlson who was born in San Francisco is as Right Wing as the average Hillbilly from Smoky Mountains, Tennessee. Statistically the roles should be reversed!

    Replies: @anon

    and Tucker Carlson who was born in San Francisco is as Right Wing as the average Hillbilly from Smoky Mountains, Tennessee.

    Tucker Carlson is a big lib.

  101. Women become pregnant and gestate children and men do not. Women maintain
    that, for this reason, they are the proper arbiters of the decisions about baby-having. The elephant in the room is that this is not a contention that is derived from ethics or fairness , but rather from a
    position of power conferred by women’s biological attributes. An illustration of why we should recognize that this is wrong is that fact that our society has sanctions against men using their biological attribute of superior physical strength to gain an advantage against women..

    On the other side of the issue, though, it’s also obviously neither
    fair nor ethical for anyone to try to co-opt control of women’s bodies and tell them whether or
    not they’re going to become pregnant or bring a given pregnancy to term.
    So, what are we to do to try to increase fairness to men, women and children? Continue with the assumption that
    men are to be treated as worker drones and the decision if and when to have children remains the province of women’s judgement alone? Continue to hold men responsible for ‘raising’ and ‘supporting’ children whose production was in large part the result of decision-making arrived at via the inherent power of their
    mothers’ physical, gender-based advantage? This seems neither equitable or desirable.

    Is it any wonder that battles of the sexes, brokering of women’s favors in exchange for men’s financial support, and less than healthy childhoods are so common?

    i posit the following as an outline of a solution.

    Since most people in America now agree that it’s wrong for people to own other people, suppose that we explicitly recognize that mothers and their children are not exempt form this principle, and
    that in our society, no one should be allowed to raise a child unless,
    before the birth, both the mother and father have signed a contract
    stating that they are each financially responsible for one half of the
    child’s support to age of majority. (These contracts would actually be
    enforced). The contract would hold irrespective of whether the man and
    woman remain together. Because of the inherent pain and risks of pregnancy
    and childbirth, the contract would require a standardized amount to be paid by the
    father to the mother in consideration of this work/risk. That amount would
    be deemed full compensation to the mother in lieu of, and would negate,
    any claim of other special rights by the mother in relation to the child and the
    father. Children born outside of this type of birth agreement contract would, the desires of either
    parent notwithstanding, be taken into the custody of a public agency and raised by the most caring and qualified professionals, applying the best possible practices, in well run and funded institutions set up expressly for that purpose.
    Contrasting with the life experience of unwanted kids in our current dysfunctional system, very little if any stigma should, nor as it became established, would, accrue to one’s being raised in an institution of the sort described above – rather it would, increasingly over time, simply be accepted as an indication that prior to one’s birth one’s parents were not in agreement about having a child – a lack of accord between them before one even entered the world and a part of their life stories rather than one’s own – and thus a fact devoid of personal rejection or negative implications about one’s intrinsic worth.

    If well implemented, the result would be far less of some things we’d be well rid of: welfare moms – with unhealthy, poorly raised kids born as income-generating tools, bad marriages, unhappy/unhealthy people, and the ancillary costs to our society.

  102. anon[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @Luzzatto
    @Jack D

    Black violence in Utah could skyrocket if The Mormon Church decides they want to try to attempt to convert Somali Muslims in mass towards Mormonism by working with The Biden Administration to bring in mass numbers of Somali Muslim refugees to Utah!

    Replies: @anon

    For theological reasons the LDS church is much more interested in bringing people from Central and South America into Utah than Somali or other Africans. This has the effect of allying the LDS hierarchy with Catholic and Lutheran relief organizations, two orgs that have done a great deal of harm to several states.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @anon

    There are theological reasons - Mormons believe that Native Americans are descended from Hebrews who fled Jerusalem before the Babylonian captivity. The Church used to claim that they are entirely descended from such peoples, but with the advent of ancestral DNA tests I believe they suddenly decided that Native Americans are only partly descended from ancient Hebrews.

    But to a large degree their focus on the Third World is simply about gaining converts. Serving a mission has always been a central aspect of life for young Mormon men, and missionaries simply aren't winning many white converts these days, and haven't done so in a long time. My older brother only managed two converts (iirc) on his mission, which was in Europe. Same goes for all of my friends who served missions in First World countries, most of them ca. 1995. One or two converts was typical, and it was not unusual not to win any converts at all. The ones who went to Third World countries, though, had a lot of converts.

  103. @ic1000
    @Jack D

    > Reading the American press now is like reading Pravda in the old days – you have to read between the lines. If you read a story about an Asian being attacked and the race of the attacker is not mentioned, the practiced reader can read between the lines and infer that the attacker was black.

    The key insight of our 'clerisy' Narrative builders and upholders is that stringent censorship is unnecessary. Granted, such measures have an impressive 20th century track record, e.g. Bolsheviks post 1917, Nazis post 1933, Maoists post 1949. iSteve readers (most of us) have pretty accurate ideas about crime in its national context and near our homes. No heroic samizdat smuggling required. Just knowledge of how to search and making the effort to evaluate the trustworthiness (honesty, competence) of sources.

    Meanwhile... on most topics, Mrs. ic1000 and most of my real-life family and friends maintain their faith in Lester Holt, Anthony Fauci, Jen Psaci, and the NYT. "You're just being a contrarian... again." For most people, that approach will continue to work, until it doesn't.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Michael Crichton posited the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect as follows:

    “Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.

    In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.”

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-on-superior-the-return-of-race-science/#comment-3252938 (#78)

  104. @ic1000
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan Mason replies to Jack D:


    ... the news could then be more like this:

    [video of mistreatment of prisoners in the Dominican Republic]

    The prisoners are saying things like they are not treated like human beings, don’t get medications, and so on.
     

    Jails on Hispaniola are 'not my problem,' but perhaps you aren't particularly passionate about that island, either. That clip was just a stand-in for an expose of the abusive practices in American prisons. Which are legion.

    You got plenty of pushback on your comments #4 and #5, which are silly excuse-makings for the mainstream media's preference for selling ideology over reporting news. So your shift to incarceration has a touch of Look A Squirrel.

    But if your point is that a U.S. prison is an ugly, dehumanizing place to call home, you are still right. Citizens should care.

    A long time back, a guy named Chris Rock had some advice to offer on how to stay out of jail. That'd be one place to start.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason

    No my point was that this was an excellent piece of objective reporting. There were no words, no opinions, no points of view, no spin, no Dan Rather telling you what to think, they just showed you what had happened, and you could draw your own conclusions.

    Bodies, rope, fence, pissed off prisoners, armed guards, shots fired, control reestablished.

  105. @blah blah blah blah
    Steve:

    Off-topic, but The Onion has finally come around to "Invade the world, invite the world":
    https://www.theonion.com/new-military-diversity-initiative-aims-to-make-leadersh-1846391375

    "New Military Diversity Initiative Aims To Make Leadership Look More Like Countries They Invade"

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  106. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    Happy CoronaHoax everybody!

    We're one year into the world's greatest hoax and mass hysteria, y'all saving grandmas everywhere with your facediapering and assburger-distancing. You make me so proud.

    After a full year of hysteria, my poesy from last March rings truer than ever:

    If you're old and diseased
    Self-quarantine please;
    If your health is OK
    Go on about your day!

    And I still don't own a Facediaper, one full year into what has become a sexual fetish and a religion. Damn, that must infuriate all the innumerate imbeciles round here like Sailer, Unz, et al. Hail to you, my CovImbeciles!

    Get Out Live Life!

    Replies: @adreadline

    Someone going by the handle “Alex Tabarrok” on Twitter, whose profile picture appears to be a photograph of said individual donning a mask drawn in MS Paint, recently digitally burped that “My vaccinated friends are starting to travel and eat in restaurants again and I am jealous af.” What feelings he harbors towards those who never stopped? Is he even aware they exist? It might be that he considers them beneath contempt or even being human, but it’s only a guess of mine and I don’t actually want to know what goes in that individual’s noggin. Also, wasn’t it the case they were supposed to keep masked up even after taking the vaccine? Does that no longer apply? Are we through the looking glass yet?

  107. @Jack D
    @ic1000

    Michael Crichton posited the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect as follows:

    “Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them.

    In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.”

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  108. @anon
    @Luzzatto

    For theological reasons the LDS church is much more interested in bringing people from Central and South America into Utah than Somali or other Africans. This has the effect of allying the LDS hierarchy with Catholic and Lutheran relief organizations, two orgs that have done a great deal of harm to several states.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    There are theological reasons – Mormons believe that Native Americans are descended from Hebrews who fled Jerusalem before the Babylonian captivity. The Church used to claim that they are entirely descended from such peoples, but with the advent of ancestral DNA tests I believe they suddenly decided that Native Americans are only partly descended from ancient Hebrews.

    But to a large degree their focus on the Third World is simply about gaining converts. Serving a mission has always been a central aspect of life for young Mormon men, and missionaries simply aren’t winning many white converts these days, and haven’t done so in a long time. My older brother only managed two converts (iirc) on his mission, which was in Europe. Same goes for all of my friends who served missions in First World countries, most of them ca. 1995. One or two converts was typical, and it was not unusual not to win any converts at all. The ones who went to Third World countries, though, had a lot of converts.

  109. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D


    How about having the media just act as a neutral, non-political reporter of the truth without trying to spin it either way? How about the media not taking active measures to HIDE the truth, like no longer printing mug shots and purging their archives of the names of felons?
     
    Quite so, the news could then be more like this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqGGrDsqkj0

    The prisoners are saying things like they are not treated like human beings, don't get medications, and so on.

    When was the last time you saw a US reporter roaming round a prison and interviewing prisoners?

    Replies: @ic1000, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Franz Liszt von Raiding

    When was the last time you saw a US reporter roaming round a prison and interviewing prisoners?

    Skip the middleman and open them to the public as zoos. Complimentary full face visor and feces poncho provided to all visitors.

  110. @anon
    Underlying all of this gaslighting and outright lying is the Blank Slate fallacy. It is a dogma that libtards simply cannot give up, because it's part of their fundamental view of reality.

    This partly accounts for the ongoing intensification of hate directed at any white people who aren't part of the Upper Middle Class: there are only two alternative explanations for dysfunctional black American communities, and "White Racism" is all they really have. Admitting that genes exist, that evolution is an ongoing process, that it doesn't stop at the neck, that different groups of people have variations on common behaviors, that different is not automatically good or bad...it's too complex for the superstitious cargo-cult libtards.

    The Western libtarded elites are not elite at all. They are actually quite defective. The "smart" ones are actually midwits, all of them are heavily invested in groupthink, and they simply cannot abide being contradicted by any fact.

    So they are stuck on stupid. And increasingly they are stuck on evil. Because persecuting the entire white working class and middle class into the dirt will not lift up anyone else. It will create, is already creating, serious fissures and cracks in US society. When people have no hope for themselves and their children, they can become quite angry and desperate.

    "Hate Whitey" is not a sound basis for an industrial society, but that's where we appear to be headed and accelerating.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    The Western libtarded elites are not elite at all. They are actually quite defective. The “smart” ones are actually midwits, all of them are heavily invested in groupthink, and they simply cannot abide being contradicted by any fact.

    So they are stuck on stupid. And increasingly they are stuck on evil. Because persecuting the entire white working class and middle class into the dirt will not lift up anyone else.

    These are excellent observations.

    Regular readers here know my take on the Great Wokeness Revival, which is simply that our ‘betters’ are post-Christian heretics who take upon themselves the role and burden of ‘saving’ those they see as oppressed victims. These ‘substitute saviors’ are prideful in the extreme, and assume they are so clever, and so powerful, that they can alter the very nature of reality by re-engineering human nature.

    But they are terrible failures as saviors, as any mere humans must be — so a Satan (i.e. racists/misogynists/bigots) must be identified and excoriated.

    As the evidence of their failure mounts, their ritualized responses become increasingly crazed, and their need to suppress the truth all-consuming.

  111. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    Maybe, but a lot of blacks who get state jobs in mental hospitals, prisons, law enforcement, or airport security with good pensions and health insurance eventually buy their own homes and have kids who go to college.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    Your economic ignorance is glaring.

    What’s not so obvious is the damage caused by the government enabling home buying: extra bids tend to up purchase prices.

    Government spending is an unavoidable tax.

    Big picture, recipients of government spending, including its “workforce” and Section 8s, distort the housing market, e.g. whack affordability.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Abolish_public_education

    The entire purpose of section 8 is to enable the landlords to pay property taxes. That’s why Nixon started it. After 8 years or so of tenants rights legal aid foundations and rent strikes etc, landlords were burning down buildings for the insurance or selling them for $1.00 to the legal aid tenants associations.

    And no one paid the property taxes.

    Section 8 was the answer. All federal taxes go into a giant cess pool. Some of the money goes to section 8 landlords who then pay property taxes to the county. And keep up the mortgage and utility payments with the section 8 money.

    Section 8 also employs a huge number of affirmative action snarling black sows.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

  112. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:

    One of your best articles.
    But in line with what you often point out, if you don’t have terms to distinguish mass wounders from mass killers, it won’t stick in the mind. You or your comment section needs to think up snappy, memorable rubrics for them: kamikazes versus blitzkriegs or something. But better than that.

  113. @Anon
    OT: Amusing article about how bad Baltimore schools are:

    City student passes 3 classes in four years, ranks near top half of class with 0.13 GPA

    https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/city-student-passes-3-classes-in-four-years-ranks-near-top-half-of-class-with-013-gpa

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Thanks for this link. I read the story, and it’s so extreme I found it hard to believe it’s real.

    It’s hard to imagine a long-established, fully-funded institution that is a more comprehensive failure than that school system.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    It’s hard to imagine a long-established, fully-funded institution that is a more comprehensive failure than that school system.
     
    There are about 400 kids in that school, and according to the article this has been going on for at least 3 years. So think how many hundreds of adults have actual knowledge of this situation involving their own children and don’t care one bit.

    I'd add that the chances this is the ONLY Baltimore school where this happens are close to nil.

    But what gets them upset? A loser like Freddie Gray. I don't know how to find common ground with people like that.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

  114. @Altai
    Also in terms of mass shootings, if Biden's admin makes Juneteenth a national holiday and the media pushes it either way, expect some high scores to be racked up at the epic bloc parties that are sure to happen.

    Juneteenth could become a byword for mass shootings.

    Replies: @Redman, @Alden

    We should all be thankful that MLK & Black Worship month happens in January and February when most of the country is under snow or cold rain. Keeps the revelers inside killing each other. But a black fiesta in late June. Stay away from the cities and black areas in the south. Myrtle Beach will be a killing ground for Whites.

    Gentle Giant Mike Browns sperm donor and the Ferguson Mo BLM action group demands 24 million as reparations for something

  115. @Abolish_public_education
    @Jonathan Mason

    Your economic ignorance is glaring.

    What’s not so obvious is the damage caused by the government enabling home buying: extra bids tend to up purchase prices.

    Government spending is an unavoidable tax.

    Big picture, recipients of government spending, including its “workforce” and Section 8s, distort the housing market, e.g. whack affordability.

    Replies: @Alden

    The entire purpose of section 8 is to enable the landlords to pay property taxes. That’s why Nixon started it. After 8 years or so of tenants rights legal aid foundations and rent strikes etc, landlords were burning down buildings for the insurance or selling them for $1.00 to the legal aid tenants associations.

    And no one paid the property taxes.

    Section 8 was the answer. All federal taxes go into a giant cess pool. Some of the money goes to section 8 landlords who then pay property taxes to the county. And keep up the mortgage and utility payments with the section 8 money.

    Section 8 also employs a huge number of affirmative action snarling black sows.

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @Alden

    I knew a guy who used his savings, primarily from his services as a US mil contractor (i.e. tax leech), to buy, on low downpayment, small apartment buildings that he would rent out to (recruit) Section 8s.

    The government-subsidized rents were enough to cover the mortgage and expenses.

    The buildings were situated in questionable parts of town that he expected to turn within five to ten years.

    I’m sure he ended up quite wealthy.

  116. @Almost Missouri

    As they say in the kinds of neighborhoods where these kinds of shootings happen, snitches get stitches.
     
    That's a racist trope from the (thankfully now banned) book of white supremacist Dr. Seuss: Sneetches Get Steeches!

    Thank goodness our Woke Guardians have rid us of the rubbery-lipped drawings of that turbulent illustrator!

    Replies: @john cronk, @MBlanc46

    “Rid us of that turbulent illustrator”. I see what you did there.

  117. @Travis
    while it has been clear that the pandemic of BLM protests resulted in an increase of black murders we can also blame the BLM pandemic on the lockdowns

    Back in 2014 when Fergusion when the BLM movement became a national movement, the rioting was restricted to one area. Despite the widely promoted narrative of "hands up, don't shoot" the rioting did not spread to other cities in 2014.

    in contract to 2020 when the BLM rioting spread to 600 cities across America. This pandemic of BLM rioting was the result of lockdowns which shuttered businesses, schools, churches, and all forms of social interaction were banned. the lockdowns resulted in millions of young people losing their jobs and schools. Millions of students were forced back home from colleges across America , millions of youths lost their jobs and were forced back home with their parents, locked inside and denied the opportunity to socialize with their peers. This created a powder keg of pent up anger and resentment. When the Minneapolis riots began after the death of George Floyd , they quickly spread across the nation , as the only acceptable social gathering was to attend a BLM protest.

    Without the lockdowns, the rioting would have been confined to Minneapolis , as was the case in 2014 when the rioting was confined to Ferguson. It is clear that the lockdowns resulted in millions of jobless youths, millions of youths without schools to attend and millions of youths with no social outlets. the lockdowns are mostly responsible for the pandemic of BLM riots across America. The civil unrest of 2020 was caused by the lockdowns and resulting social unrest caused by massive unemployment combined with the shuttering of all colleges, sporting events, concerts and night life. This was to be expected, and many did predict such an outcome from prolonged lockdowns and the resulting disintegration of social trust , social isolation and economic destruction.

    Replies: @Alden

    You should sell this comment on the internet as a college admissions essay.

    Please explain why the demonstrations magically ended 2 weeks before the election.

    BLM is run by convictedWeather Underground terrorist Susan Rosenberg She is the conduit that sends all the BLM donations to the Democrat National Committee.

    BLM is a fundraiser of the DNC.

  118. @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    The media-and the modern Beltway in general-attracts pathological narcissists like schoolyards attract pedophiles, so... not counting on them changing any time soon, to say the least.

    IIRC, papers in early America often took the explicit side of one party or another: objectivity wasn't considered a priority, or expected. So it might be that we've reverted back to normal, in the grand scheme of things.

    Replies: @Alden

    That’s very true. But generally, there was at least one Republican and one Democrat paper in every city. But by 1970 they were all democrat liberal hate Whitey propaganda.

  119. @Alden
    @Abolish_public_education

    The entire purpose of section 8 is to enable the landlords to pay property taxes. That’s why Nixon started it. After 8 years or so of tenants rights legal aid foundations and rent strikes etc, landlords were burning down buildings for the insurance or selling them for $1.00 to the legal aid tenants associations.

    And no one paid the property taxes.

    Section 8 was the answer. All federal taxes go into a giant cess pool. Some of the money goes to section 8 landlords who then pay property taxes to the county. And keep up the mortgage and utility payments with the section 8 money.

    Section 8 also employs a huge number of affirmative action snarling black sows.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    I knew a guy who used his savings, primarily from his services as a US mil contractor (i.e. tax leech), to buy, on low downpayment, small apartment buildings that he would rent out to (recruit) Section 8s.

    The government-subsidized rents were enough to cover the mortgage and expenses.

    The buildings were situated in questionable parts of town that he expected to turn within five to ten years.

    I’m sure he ended up quite wealthy.

  120. @Arclight
    @International Jew

    Yeah, having a lot of acquaintances on the left that I am only in touch with via social media now, it's remarkable how many openly champion things that are in no way 'liberal' but are outright authoritarian and/or punitive towards people they don't like.

    As Steve has repeatedly pointed out, the political coalition that makes up the left is held together by resentment/hatred of a perceived common enemy, not actual common cultural or economic interests. The establishment right has been oblivious to this for 30+ years at this point and has lost a ton of ground in its accommodationist approach towards the cultural demands of the left.

    Replies: @Forbes, @International Jew, @Corvinus

    Wokeness has a natural attraction to a certain kind of unintelligent white person. The problem of knowing what is true and recognizing what is logical has been replaced with the simpler one of repeating cant and recognizing what is taboo.

    A thorough overthrow of enlightenment values could take us to that sunny upland, that Steve jokes about, where blacks and whites score equally well on aptitude tests.

    • Replies: @anon
    @International Jew

    A thorough overthrow of enlightenment values could take us to that sunny upland, that Steve jokes about, where blacks and whites score equally well on aptitude tests.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJIjoE27F-Q

  121. @International Jew
    @Arclight

    Wokeness has a natural attraction to a certain kind of unintelligent white person. The problem of knowing what is true and recognizing what is logical has been replaced with the simpler one of repeating cant and recognizing what is taboo.

    A thorough overthrow of enlightenment values could take us to that sunny upland, that Steve jokes about, where blacks and whites score equally well on aptitude tests.

    Replies: @anon

    A thorough overthrow of enlightenment values could take us to that sunny upland, that Steve jokes about, where blacks and whites score equally well on aptitude tests.

  122. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D


    How about having the media just act as a neutral, non-political reporter of the truth without trying to spin it either way? How about the media not taking active measures to HIDE the truth, like no longer printing mug shots and purging their archives of the names of felons?
     
    Quite so, the news could then be more like this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqGGrDsqkj0

    The prisoners are saying things like they are not treated like human beings, don't get medications, and so on.

    When was the last time you saw a US reporter roaming round a prison and interviewing prisoners?

    Replies: @ic1000, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Franz Liszt von Raiding

    Why deceive? Is truth-telling too boring for you? Then you should NOT HAVE pursued journalism! This modern notion of “ journalist as activist” inevitably leads to both jobs being done poorly. If there weren’t mega billionaires propping up these evil disinformers providing the curated news then the public would’ve voted with their wallets to force them into bankruptcy.
    Moreover If you keep being distracted by Blackety Black blah blah blahk blahk blah then the left’s tactical misdirection worked. You don’t even think to ask how election laws were changed and ballots weren’t examined by republicans. So not a single recount was necessary in the whole country? Trump won 13 of 15 bellweather counties but lost the election ?!? (odds of 1 in ten quadrillion). Amazing stats but NOTHING TO SEE HERE! Right Steverino?

  123. @ic1000
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan Mason replies to Jack D:


    ... the news could then be more like this:

    [video of mistreatment of prisoners in the Dominican Republic]

    The prisoners are saying things like they are not treated like human beings, don’t get medications, and so on.
     

    Jails on Hispaniola are 'not my problem,' but perhaps you aren't particularly passionate about that island, either. That clip was just a stand-in for an expose of the abusive practices in American prisons. Which are legion.

    You got plenty of pushback on your comments #4 and #5, which are silly excuse-makings for the mainstream media's preference for selling ideology over reporting news. So your shift to incarceration has a touch of Look A Squirrel.

    But if your point is that a U.S. prison is an ugly, dehumanizing place to call home, you are still right. Citizens should care.

    A long time back, a guy named Chris Rock had some advice to offer on how to stay out of jail. That'd be one place to start.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason

    You got plenty of pushback on your comments #4 and #5, which are silly excuse-makings for the mainstream media’s preference for selling ideology over reporting news. So your shift to incarceration has a touch of Look A Squirrel.

    They are not “selling ideology”, they are selling advertising to corporations.

    The video I quote today was simply an example of reporting the news without commentary and allowing the viewer to draw their own conclusions.

    By the way I do think that most of the young folks who put out local television news are pretty clueless, but I don’t think this is anything to do with ideology.

    They are just people working for corporations so don’t make a whole lot of money, and who are trying to put out a product every day.

    The national media have reporters and commentators who are paid vast amounts of money, so they are strongly motivated to preserve the status quo at all costs.

  124. Disagree.

    They are selling ideology, and they are selling advertising to corporations.

    We must not watch the same teevee stations.

    Alternatively, the Bolshevik press in 1917, the National Socialist press in 1933, the Petainist press in 1940, and the Maoist press in 1949 were not “selling ideology.”

    Or perhaps you mean that the Gramscian Long March Through The Institutions has reached the point where the corporate advertising buyers are forcing wokism on hapless reporters, showrunners, editors, and publishers. Lester Holt et alia are bravely resisting, but it’s a rear-guard action.

    How do you distinguish that from “Darn, you’re demanding that I do what I want to do anyway”?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @ic1000

    I don't watch any TV stations and haven't done so for many years, but I have seen enough of them in the past to know what they are like, and I doubt if they have really changed to pushing "ideology" all of a sudden.

    It is probably more that we have grown old and that the younger generations just do things the way they want to do them.

  125. @Johnny Smoggins
    @Buffalo Joe


    A black woman, with serious mental issues, that I know from the soup kitchen where my wife and I volunteer was shot in the chest about a week ago.
     
    Maybe it's time to stop feeding the animals Joe. If you want to serve the poor, there's no shortage of poor White people in Appalachia that could use some help.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Johnny, thanks for the reply. The soup kitchen is a half hour drive for me into Buffalo. Appallachia is pretty far. We are just serving the poor where we find them. Stay safe.

  126. @ic1000
    Disagree.

    They are selling ideology, and they are selling advertising to corporations.

    We must not watch the same teevee stations.

    Alternatively, the Bolshevik press in 1917, the National Socialist press in 1933, the Petainist press in 1940, and the Maoist press in 1949 were not "selling ideology."

    Or perhaps you mean that the Gramscian Long March Through The Institutions has reached the point where the corporate advertising buyers are forcing wokism on hapless reporters, showrunners, editors, and publishers. Lester Holt et alia are bravely resisting, but it's a rear-guard action.

    How do you distinguish that from "Darn, you're demanding that I do what I want to do anyway"?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    I don’t watch any TV stations and haven’t done so for many years, but I have seen enough of them in the past to know what they are like, and I doubt if they have really changed to pushing “ideology” all of a sudden.

    It is probably more that we have grown old and that the younger generations just do things the way they want to do them.

    • LOL: ic1000
  127. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/mar/03/incel-movement-terror-threat-canada

    "The misogynist incel movement is spreading. Should it be classified as a terror threat?"


    Incel-related violence “seems to be increasing,” said Alex DiBranco, the executive director of the Institute for Research on Male Supremacism
     
    LOL. That sounds like a pretty neutral source. I guess the Society for Cutting Up Men were unavailable.


    PS - Valerie Solanas died in SF in 1988 of pneumonia aged 52. Did she have AIDS, or was her lifestyle just unhealthy? People of that age rarely keel over with pneumonia.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Institute for Research on Male Supremacism

    https://www.malesupremacism.org/founders/

    “DiBranco is a Sociology Ph.D. candidate at Yale University, affiliated with the Berkeley Center for Right-Wing Studies, and a 2019-2020 Dangerous Speech Project Global Research Initiative Fellow.”

    https://dangerousspeech.org/about-dangerous-speech/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Benesch

    Benesch was born in 1964 in New York. She is of Czech ancestry on her father’s side, and her family was described as “upper-middle class”. Benesch described herself as descending from “immigrants, refugees and people who were killed because other people had been taught to hate them”. After graduating from Columbia University, she worked in journalism, including as staff writer for the Miami Herald in Haiti and St. Petersburg Times’ correspondent in Latin America. She is fluent in Spanish. Benesch earned a JD at Yale in 2001 and a LLM from Georgetown University Law Center in 2008. Benesch worked for the NGOs Amnesty International and Human Rights First, and is currently the faculty associate of Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society at Harvard University. She founded the Dangerous Speech Project with a grant from the MacArthur Foundation.

    That whirring sound is John D MacArthur rotating in his grave at 7,000 rpm.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_D._MacArthur

    John Donald MacArthur was born in Pittston, Pennsylvania,[1] as the seventh child. He and his many siblings grew up in poverty, the children of an itinerant Baptist preacher and his resourceful wife.

  128. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Anon

    Thanks for this link. I read the story, and it's so extreme I found it hard to believe it's real.

    It's hard to imagine a long-established, fully-funded institution that is a more comprehensive failure than that school system.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    It’s hard to imagine a long-established, fully-funded institution that is a more comprehensive failure than that school system.

    There are about 400 kids in that school, and according to the article this has been going on for at least 3 years. So think how many hundreds of adults have actual knowledge of this situation involving their own children and don’t care one bit.

    I’d add that the chances this is the ONLY Baltimore school where this happens are close to nil.

    But what gets them upset? A loser like Freddie Gray. I don’t know how to find common ground with people like that.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @William Badwhite


    There are about 400 kids in that school, and according to the article this has been going on for at least 3 years. So think how many hundreds of adults have actual knowledge of this situation involving their own children and don’t care one bit.

     

    Yes, exactly. That article is odd, actually, because the first part focuses on blaming the school system for pretty much everything, but then if you carry on you find out that the kid's mother was warned about 50 different ways that her son was not showing up to school and was failing, yet she couldn't be bothered to pay even the slightest attention.

    There's plenty of blame to share across the schools, the parents, and the kids themselves.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  129. You mean, Mr. Sailer, that you speculate that 2020’s record growth in murders could be due to the impact of Black Lives Matters protests, which occurred as a reaction to the death of George Floyd by “the police subdual and restraint in the setting of severe hypertensive atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, and methamphetamine, and fentanyl intoxication”.

    Why do you purposely neglect to include this fact? Never mind, we know the answer…

    httpsa://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5274334002

    Regardless of what Mr. Floyd allegedly did or didn’t do, there’s no reason to put a knee on the neck,” said John Peters Jr., president of the Institute for the Prevention and Management of In-Custody Deaths, which trains police academy instructors on use of force.

    Andy Scoogman, executive director of the Minnesota Chiefs of Police, which represents hundreds of police chiefs, called the actions “appalling” and said his association has never advocated for training that teaches an officer to place a knee on someone’s neck.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/us/knee-neck-george-floyd-death.amp.html

    Criminologists viewing the tape said the knee restraint not only put dangerous pressure on the back of the neck, but that Mr. Floyd was kept lying on his stomach for too long. The Both positions — the knee on the neck and lying face down — run the risk of cutting off someone’s oxygen supply.

    “Keeping Mr. Floyd in the facedown position with his hands cuffed behind his back is probably what killed him,” said Seth W. Stoughton, a former police officer who studies policing and is a professor at the University of South Carolina School of Law. Police training started emphasizing avoiding that prone position about 20 years ago, he said.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Corvinus

    Don't tell Sailer and his readers. Tell Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey and recommend that he review is police department's procedures manual.

    Putting GPS units in ambulances so they don't get so easily lost would be another item you could mention.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Corvinus

    Yes I agree with this, and that was the most likely cause of death. It is well known that restraining overweight people face down can lead to respiratory failure and death and I have stated that in previous comments here.

    If the Minnesota police do have this technique in their manual of how to restrain disturbed people, it should have been removed years ago.

    It is all very well saying that Floyd had fentanyl in his system and was positive for Coronavirus, but that does not mean that he was certain to die that day even if he had never encountered the police.

    Replies: @anon

  130. By they way, jury selection in Minneapolis for the trial of Derek Chauvin begins Monday. We can expect more trolls and shills to float up soon on various websites such as unz.com, as a bit of public space occupation. The usual suspects plus others.

    Another question is what we should expect in the way of peaceful protests during the trial. The weather is warming up, so it will be easier to loot a Target express displeasure in less bulky clothing.

  131. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    How about having the media just act as a neutral, non-political reporter of the truth without trying to spin it either way? How about the media not taking active measures to HIDE the truth, like no longer printing mug shots and purging their archives of the names of felons?

    I know it's too much to ask for the media to draw the right conclusions - that the main result of BLM has been to get a lot of black lives murdered by other blacks, dozens of times more than the handful of blacks who are shot by the police. I don't even need them to draw conclusions for me. I can draw my own conclusions, thank you and don't need them spoon fed to me by the media.

    But if they just went back to being neutral reporters and gave us the whole truth instead of taking active measures to hide the truth lest it cast blacks in a bad light or give aid and comfort to racists, that would really be not too much to ask. Reading the American press now is like reading Pravda in the old days - you have to read between the lines. If you read a story about an Asian being attacked and the race of the attacker is not mentioned, the practiced reader can read between the lines and infer that the attacker was black. I don't want to have to play such games.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @ic1000, @nebulafox, @Jonathan Mason, @Luzzatto, @Corvinus

    News today is driven by a desired narrative, moreso than in decades past. You have the left and the right who craft a story based on facts, with each side serving as a political evangelical to promote their interpretation. There are truths found here based on facts.

    Unfortunately, segments of our society has been conditioned by social media “sensations”, reality television “stars”, and ratings driven media conglomerates to reject evidence that challenges their beliefs. They do it instinctively when confronted with attitude-inconsistent information. When someone attempts to inform them of their misconceptions, rather than take it under advisement, it “backfires” (see below), which in effect makes them less skeptical of what they believe in, since obviously the other side is rife with their own false impressions. Thus, one continues to see their own position as “true and proper”. Of course, the argument stems from what is and what is not a misconception, whether it be “race realism” or “white privilege”, which ends up being a feedback loop.

    “I know it’s too much to ask for the media to draw the right conclusions – that the main result of BLM has been to get a lot of black lives murdered by other blacks.”

    Upon self-reflection on how we as humans conduct ourselves, especially if we are searching for a particular avenue to convince others that there is but one specific way of behaving, we delude ourselves into believing we have found the ultimate answer. But that response is run roughshod by our own confirmation biases. Stated another way, we must be wary of how fundamental attribution error affects our analysis of the human condition.

    Now, while it makes perfect sense to categorize humans in your schema, the way by which how the categorization is employed becomes nonsensical. What ends up inevitably occurring is you conveniently and neatly arranging your ideological proponents and opponents into these compartments. The end result? A self-fulfilling prophecy and “evidence” your distinctions is entirely accurate. While people may TEND to be rational or impulsive, one must carefully take into account the situation and context of that behavior, as well as their own prejudices. Again, you are being prone to situational and dispositional attributions, considering that rationality and impulsivity runs on a continuum.

    Indeed, when confronted with conflicting evidence that challenges one’s world view, there is self-denial and convoluted arguments. Be mindful that in a series of studies from 2005 and 2006, researchers at the University of Michigan found that when misinformed people, particularly political partisans, were exposed to corrected facts in news stories, they rarely changed their minds. In fact, they often became even more strongly set in their beliefs. “The general idea is that it’s absolutely threatening to admit you’re wrong,” says political scientist Brendan Nyhan, the lead researcher on the Michigan study. The phenomenon — known as “backfire” — is “a natural defense mechanism to avoid that cognitive dissonance”.

    It is virtually impossible to argue with those people who cling on this “Fake News” or “media lies” meme. Any fact you bring as an argument, they immediately attack the SOURCE, rather than the substance. Thus, it is easy to deny there is ANY evidence at all. This phenomenon has been brewing for a long time, and it has reached a critical mass at our point in world history. Unfortunately, this leads more people to become ignorant by facilitating echo chambers and confirmation bias. An informed person looks CRITICALLY at the facts, considers any bias–including their own–, reads other sources on the issue, and then draws their own conclusions, realizing those conclusions will require verification from valid sources when challenged. Of course, it is vital to be honest when conducting an “internal audit” of one’s own thinking and logic.

  132. @Arclight
    @International Jew

    Yeah, having a lot of acquaintances on the left that I am only in touch with via social media now, it's remarkable how many openly champion things that are in no way 'liberal' but are outright authoritarian and/or punitive towards people they don't like.

    As Steve has repeatedly pointed out, the political coalition that makes up the left is held together by resentment/hatred of a perceived common enemy, not actual common cultural or economic interests. The establishment right has been oblivious to this for 30+ years at this point and has lost a ton of ground in its accommodationist approach towards the cultural demands of the left.

    Replies: @Forbes, @International Jew, @Corvinus

    You are conveniently downplaying or ignoring that political coalition that makes up the right/Alt Right is held together by resentment/hatred of a perceived common enemy, not actual common cultural or economic interests, as well. It’s remarkable how many openly challenge things that are in no way “conservative”, but are outright authoritarian and/or punitive towards people they don’t like.

    See how that works, my fellow white friend?

  133. @William Badwhite
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    It’s hard to imagine a long-established, fully-funded institution that is a more comprehensive failure than that school system.
     
    There are about 400 kids in that school, and according to the article this has been going on for at least 3 years. So think how many hundreds of adults have actual knowledge of this situation involving their own children and don’t care one bit.

    I'd add that the chances this is the ONLY Baltimore school where this happens are close to nil.

    But what gets them upset? A loser like Freddie Gray. I don't know how to find common ground with people like that.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    There are about 400 kids in that school, and according to the article this has been going on for at least 3 years. So think how many hundreds of adults have actual knowledge of this situation involving their own children and don’t care one bit.

    Yes, exactly. That article is odd, actually, because the first part focuses on blaming the school system for pretty much everything, but then if you carry on you find out that the kid’s mother was warned about 50 different ways that her son was not showing up to school and was failing, yet she couldn’t be bothered to pay even the slightest attention.

    There’s plenty of blame to share across the schools, the parents, and the kids themselves.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    There’s plenty of blame to share
     
    No. The kid, the unmarried mother, the schools...none of them are at fault. The true culprit is RACISM. White people hundreds and even thousands of miles from Baltimore are to blame due to their mind rays.
  134. @Corvinus
    You mean, Mr. Sailer, that you speculate that 2020's record growth in murders could be due to the impact of Black Lives Matters protests, which occurred as a reaction to the death of George Floyd by "the police subdual and restraint in the setting of severe hypertensive atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, and methamphetamine, and fentanyl intoxication”.

    Why do you purposely neglect to include this fact? Never mind, we know the answer...

    httpsa://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5274334002


    Regardless of what Mr. Floyd allegedly did or didn’t do, there’s no reason to put a knee on the neck,” said John Peters Jr., president of the Institute for the Prevention and Management of In-Custody Deaths, which trains police academy instructors on use of force.

    Andy Scoogman, executive director of the Minnesota Chiefs of Police, which represents hundreds of police chiefs, called the actions “appalling” and said his association has never advocated for training that teaches an officer to place a knee on someone’s neck.
     

    http://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/us/knee-neck-george-floyd-death.amp.html

    Criminologists viewing the tape said the knee restraint not only put dangerous pressure on the back of the neck, but that Mr. Floyd was kept lying on his stomach for too long. The Both positions — the knee on the neck and lying face down — run the risk of cutting off someone’s oxygen supply.

    “Keeping Mr. Floyd in the facedown position with his hands cuffed behind his back is probably what killed him,” said Seth W. Stoughton, a former police officer who studies policing and is a professor at the University of South Carolina School of Law. Police training started emphasizing avoiding that prone position about 20 years ago, he said.
     

    Replies: @ic1000, @Jonathan Mason

    Don’t tell Sailer and his readers. Tell Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey and recommend that he review is police department’s procedures manual.

    Putting GPS units in ambulances so they don’t get so easily lost would be another item you could mention.

  135. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @William Badwhite


    There are about 400 kids in that school, and according to the article this has been going on for at least 3 years. So think how many hundreds of adults have actual knowledge of this situation involving their own children and don’t care one bit.

     

    Yes, exactly. That article is odd, actually, because the first part focuses on blaming the school system for pretty much everything, but then if you carry on you find out that the kid's mother was warned about 50 different ways that her son was not showing up to school and was failing, yet she couldn't be bothered to pay even the slightest attention.

    There's plenty of blame to share across the schools, the parents, and the kids themselves.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    There’s plenty of blame to share

    No. The kid, the unmarried mother, the schools…none of them are at fault. The true culprit is RACISM. White people hundreds and even thousands of miles from Baltimore are to blame due to their mind rays.

  136. @Corvinus
    You mean, Mr. Sailer, that you speculate that 2020's record growth in murders could be due to the impact of Black Lives Matters protests, which occurred as a reaction to the death of George Floyd by "the police subdual and restraint in the setting of severe hypertensive atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, and methamphetamine, and fentanyl intoxication”.

    Why do you purposely neglect to include this fact? Never mind, we know the answer...

    httpsa://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5274334002


    Regardless of what Mr. Floyd allegedly did or didn’t do, there’s no reason to put a knee on the neck,” said John Peters Jr., president of the Institute for the Prevention and Management of In-Custody Deaths, which trains police academy instructors on use of force.

    Andy Scoogman, executive director of the Minnesota Chiefs of Police, which represents hundreds of police chiefs, called the actions “appalling” and said his association has never advocated for training that teaches an officer to place a knee on someone’s neck.
     

    http://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/us/knee-neck-george-floyd-death.amp.html

    Criminologists viewing the tape said the knee restraint not only put dangerous pressure on the back of the neck, but that Mr. Floyd was kept lying on his stomach for too long. The Both positions — the knee on the neck and lying face down — run the risk of cutting off someone’s oxygen supply.

    “Keeping Mr. Floyd in the facedown position with his hands cuffed behind his back is probably what killed him,” said Seth W. Stoughton, a former police officer who studies policing and is a professor at the University of South Carolina School of Law. Police training started emphasizing avoiding that prone position about 20 years ago, he said.
     

    Replies: @ic1000, @Jonathan Mason

    Yes I agree with this, and that was the most likely cause of death. It is well known that restraining overweight people face down can lead to respiratory failure and death and I have stated that in previous comments here.

    If the Minnesota police do have this technique in their manual of how to restrain disturbed people, it should have been removed years ago.

    It is all very well saying that Floyd had fentanyl in his system and was positive for Coronavirus, but that does not mean that he was certain to die that day even if he had never encountered the police.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jonathan Mason

    Yes I agree with this, and that was the most likely cause of death

    What did the actual coroner's report state for case of death?

    If the Minnesota police do have this technique in their manual of how to restrain disturbed people, it should have been removed years ago.

    Minneapolis is a city in Minnesota. The Minneapolis police are not the police for the entire state. The issue of this method of retention was discussed in detail last summer, complete with Minneapolis PD policy page on the technique- which has since been taken down. It appears to be a suspect-retention method taught to MPD by the Israeli Defense Force. I pointed out the flaws in it last summer, and wondered what business it is for foreign armies to teach anything to US police departments. Sorry you are not up to speed, but that's a recurring problem you have that only you can deal with.

    It is all very well saying that Floyd had fentanyl in his system and was positive for Coronavirus, but that does not mean that he was certain to die that day even if he had never encountered the police.

    George Floyd had a potentially fatal dose of fentanyl along with other drugs. It is entirely possible if the police had arrived 15 to 30 minutes later Floyd would have already been unconscious or even dead from his drugs, rather than a martyr to something or other. That brings up the larger question of justification for looting, arson and other violence.

    You are cordially invited to explain how the "George Floyd mourning process" justifies burning bookstores, looting and then burning WalMart, looting Target and so forth. The same invite is extended to Coronavinus. Defend the looting, arson, assault, etc. Use any philosophical angle you wish.

    Well? We're waiting.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  137. anon[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    @Corvinus

    Yes I agree with this, and that was the most likely cause of death. It is well known that restraining overweight people face down can lead to respiratory failure and death and I have stated that in previous comments here.

    If the Minnesota police do have this technique in their manual of how to restrain disturbed people, it should have been removed years ago.

    It is all very well saying that Floyd had fentanyl in his system and was positive for Coronavirus, but that does not mean that he was certain to die that day even if he had never encountered the police.

    Replies: @anon

    Yes I agree with this, and that was the most likely cause of death

    What did the actual coroner’s report state for case of death?

    If the Minnesota police do have this technique in their manual of how to restrain disturbed people, it should have been removed years ago.

    Minneapolis is a city in Minnesota. The Minneapolis police are not the police for the entire state. The issue of this method of retention was discussed in detail last summer, complete with Minneapolis PD policy page on the technique- which has since been taken down. It appears to be a suspect-retention method taught to MPD by the Israeli Defense Force. I pointed out the flaws in it last summer, and wondered what business it is for foreign armies to teach anything to US police departments. Sorry you are not up to speed, but that’s a recurring problem you have that only you can deal with.

    It is all very well saying that Floyd had fentanyl in his system and was positive for Coronavirus, but that does not mean that he was certain to die that day even if he had never encountered the police.

    George Floyd had a potentially fatal dose of fentanyl along with other drugs. It is entirely possible if the police had arrived 15 to 30 minutes later Floyd would have already been unconscious or even dead from his drugs, rather than a martyr to something or other. That brings up the larger question of justification for looting, arson and other violence.

    You are cordially invited to explain how the “George Floyd mourning process” justifies burning bookstores, looting and then burning WalMart, looting Target and so forth. The same invite is extended to Coronavinus. Defend the looting, arson, assault, etc. Use any philosophical angle you wish.

    Well? We’re waiting.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @anon

    "What did the actual coroner’s report state for case of death?"

    The autopsy report from Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office concludes the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." That conclusion, death due to heart failure, differs from the one reached by an independent examiner hired by the Floyd family; that report listed the cause of death as "asphyxiation from sustained pressure".

    "If the Minnesota police do have this technique in their manual of how to restrain disturbed people, it should have been removed years ago."

    And your response, without the snark, agrees with this assertion.

    "It appears to be a suspect-retention method taught to MPD by the Israeli Defense Force."

    Maybe, maybe not.

    https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-israeli-secret-service-teach-floyd-police-to-kneel-on-neck


    Beyond the speculation of one activist, there is no information in the Morning Star article that would support the claim that the specific practice of kneeling on a person’s neck was taught to US police by Israeli forces.

    Micky Rosenfield, the national spokesman for Israeli police, tweeted on 9 June: “There is no procedure that allows an officer of the Israel police dept to carry out an arrest by placing a knee on the neck of a suspect.”

    And after this article was first published, the Israeli Embassy in London told FactCheck: “Any attempt to create a link between what took place in Minnesota with Israel is baseless and misguided.

    “The said 2012 event in the Israeli Consulate was on counter-terrorism training that involved information sharing and explosive disarmament training. No arrest tactics were taught as part of the event. “
     
    "George Floyd had a potentially fatal dose of fentanyl along with other drugs. It is entirely possible if the police had arrived 15 to 30 minutes later Floyd would have already been unconscious or even dead from his drugs, rather than a martyr to something or other."

    Entirely possible, but the fact remains that the officer used a tactic that clearly contributed to Floyd's death.

    "That brings up the larger question of justification for looting, arson and other violence."

    There is no justification for the individuals who marred the generally peaceful protests.

    "You are cordially invited to explain how the “George Floyd mourning process” justifies burning bookstores, looting and then burning WalMart, looting Target and so forth."

    You are creating a strawman here.
  138. @anon
    @Jonathan Mason

    Yes I agree with this, and that was the most likely cause of death

    What did the actual coroner's report state for case of death?

    If the Minnesota police do have this technique in their manual of how to restrain disturbed people, it should have been removed years ago.

    Minneapolis is a city in Minnesota. The Minneapolis police are not the police for the entire state. The issue of this method of retention was discussed in detail last summer, complete with Minneapolis PD policy page on the technique- which has since been taken down. It appears to be a suspect-retention method taught to MPD by the Israeli Defense Force. I pointed out the flaws in it last summer, and wondered what business it is for foreign armies to teach anything to US police departments. Sorry you are not up to speed, but that's a recurring problem you have that only you can deal with.

    It is all very well saying that Floyd had fentanyl in his system and was positive for Coronavirus, but that does not mean that he was certain to die that day even if he had never encountered the police.

    George Floyd had a potentially fatal dose of fentanyl along with other drugs. It is entirely possible if the police had arrived 15 to 30 minutes later Floyd would have already been unconscious or even dead from his drugs, rather than a martyr to something or other. That brings up the larger question of justification for looting, arson and other violence.

    You are cordially invited to explain how the "George Floyd mourning process" justifies burning bookstores, looting and then burning WalMart, looting Target and so forth. The same invite is extended to Coronavinus. Defend the looting, arson, assault, etc. Use any philosophical angle you wish.

    Well? We're waiting.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “What did the actual coroner’s report state for case of death?”

    The autopsy report from Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s Office concludes the cause of death was “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.” That conclusion, death due to heart failure, differs from the one reached by an independent examiner hired by the Floyd family; that report listed the cause of death as “asphyxiation from sustained pressure”.

    “If the Minnesota police do have this technique in their manual of how to restrain disturbed people, it should have been removed years ago.”

    And your response, without the snark, agrees with this assertion.

    “It appears to be a suspect-retention method taught to MPD by the Israeli Defense Force.”

    Maybe, maybe not.

    https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-israeli-secret-service-teach-floyd-police-to-kneel-on-neck

    Beyond the speculation of one activist, there is no information in the Morning Star article that would support the claim that the specific practice of kneeling on a person’s neck was taught to US police by Israeli forces.

    Micky Rosenfield, the national spokesman for Israeli police, tweeted on 9 June: “There is no procedure that allows an officer of the Israel police dept to carry out an arrest by placing a knee on the neck of a suspect.”

    And after this article was first published, the Israeli Embassy in London told FactCheck: “Any attempt to create a link between what took place in Minnesota with Israel is baseless and misguided.

    “The said 2012 event in the Israeli Consulate was on counter-terrorism training that involved information sharing and explosive disarmament training. No arrest tactics were taught as part of the event. “

    “George Floyd had a potentially fatal dose of fentanyl along with other drugs. It is entirely possible if the police had arrived 15 to 30 minutes later Floyd would have already been unconscious or even dead from his drugs, rather than a martyr to something or other.”

    Entirely possible, but the fact remains that the officer used a tactic that clearly contributed to Floyd’s death.

    “That brings up the larger question of justification for looting, arson and other violence.”

    There is no justification for the individuals who marred the generally peaceful protests.

    “You are cordially invited to explain how the “George Floyd mourning process” justifies burning bookstores, looting and then burning WalMart, looting Target and so forth.”

    You are creating a strawman here.

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