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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

The Teutonic Terrorist Panic of 1917
Steve Sailer

January 20, 2021

The current threat from (or hysteria over) “domestic terrorists” is often compared to incidents in Nazi Germany. Arnold Schwarzenegger referenced Kristallnacht, while I pointed out how Hitler did not let the crisis of the 1933 attack on the Reichstag capitol go to waste, but instead exploited it to crack down on German liberties. Yet, a better analog might be the Wilson administration’s demonization of German-Americans in 1917.

Although we are constantly lectured on the crucial role of immigrants in American history, the vast contributions of Germans to American culture have been vanishingly hard to notice for the last century due to the anti-German craze unleashed during the Great War, which shoved German-Americans into becoming the least assertive of our ethnicities.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. Interesting to see that, in 1913, the words “Master Mind” didn’t have the faintly sinister connotation that “mastermind” does, today. It simply seems to have meant “greatest genius.”

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @PiltdownMan

    Anyone here want to take a go at the appeal of Goethe?

    He famously translates less well to the modern idiom than any other past genius and I have the vaguest sense of his greatness but would love to hear from a connoisseur.

    Replies: @Lot, @scrivener3, @Dieter Kief, @Herzog

  2. I had always come across a stat (and I’m paraphrasing because it’s been awhile) that said there were about 1300 German language newspapers pre-WW1 in circulation in the US. Post WW1 that number was down to ~13.

    Maybe it’s apocryphal, but the forced assimilation of Germans used to be taught in history class by some of your more keen history teachers. At least that was the case a couple decades ago.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Polynikes

    I remember being taught about the whole “liberty cabbage” episode in seventh grade back in the 80’s

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Polynikes


    Maybe it’s apocryphal, but the forced assimilation of Germans used to be taught in history class by some of your more keen history teachers. At least that was the case a couple decades ago.
     
    One Supreme Court case that is taught in law schools (at least in passing) is Meyer v. State of Nebraska, a 1923 case that overturned a conviction for violating a 1919 law against teaching German to children.

    Plaintiff in error was tried and convicted in the district court for Hamilton county, Nebraska, under an information which charged that on May 25, 1920, while an instructor in Zion Parochial School he unlawfully taught the subject of reading in the German language to Raymond Parpart, a child of 10 years, who had not attained and successfully passed the eighth grade. The information is based upon 'An act relating to the teaching of foreign languages in the state of Nebraska,' approved April 9, 1919 (Laws 1919, c. 249), which follows:

    2
    'Section 1. No person, individually or as a teacher, shall, in any private, denominational, parochial or public school, teach any subject to any person in any language than the English language.
    3
    'Sec. 2. Languages, other than the English language, may be taught as languages only after a pupil shall have attained and successfully passed the eighth grade as evidenced by a certificate of graduation issued by the county superintendent of the county in which the child resides.

     

    The U.S. Supreme Court, writing in 1923 and clearly cognizant of the excesses of the 1917-1919 hysteria, struck down the law.

    The desire of the Legislature to foster a homogeneous people with American ideals prepared readily to understand current discussions of civic matters is easy to appreciate. Unfortunate experiences during the late war and aversion toward every character of truculent adversaries were certainly enough to quicken that aspiration. But the means adopted, we think, exceed the limitations upon the power of the state and conflict with rights assured to plaintiff in error. The interference is plain enough and no adequate reason therefor in time of peace and domestic tranquility has been shown. https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/262/390
     
    The court's reasoning in striking down the law was that it offended the Due Process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, which during the pre-New Deal era was given a very libertarian reading (referred to disparagingly by progressive law professors as the "Lochner era").

    The problem for our determination is whether the statute as construed and applied unreasonably infringes the liberty guaranteed to the plaintiff in error by the Fourteenth Amendment:

    11
    'No state * * * shall deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law.'

    12
    While this court has not attempted to define with exactness the liberty thus guaranteed, the term has received much consideration and some of the included things have been definitely stated. Without doubt, it denotes not merely freedom from bodily restraint but also the right of the individual to contract, to engage in any of the common occupations of life, to acquire useful knowledge, to marry, establish a home and bring up children, to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience, and generally to enjoy those privileges long recognized at common law as essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.
     

    Interestingly, the Court's opinion also ruled that that the socialistic ideal of Plato's Republic would be unconstitutional as well. I hope the current court feels the same.

    That the state may do much, go very far, indeed, in order to improve the quality of its citizens, physically, mentally and morally, is clear; but the individual has certain fundamental rights which must be respected. The protection of the Constitution extends to all, to those who speak other languages as well as to those born with English on the tongue. Perhaps it would be highly advantageous if all had ready understanding of our ordinary speech, but this cannot be coerced by methods which conflict with the Constitution—a desirable and cannot be promoted by prohibited means.

    20
    For the welfare of his Ideal Commonwealth, Plato suggested a law which should provide:

    21
    'That the wives of our guardians are to be common, and their children are to be common, and no parent is to know his own child, nor any child his parent. * * * The proper officers will take the offspring of the good parents to the pen or fold, and there they will deposit them with certain nurses who dwell in a separate quarter; but the offspring of the inferior, or of the better when they chance to be deformed, will be put away in some mysterious, unknown place, as they should be.'

    22
    In order to submerge the individual and develop ideal citizens, Sparta assembled the males at seven into barracks and intrusted their subsequent education and training to official guardians. Although such measures have been deliberately approved by men of great genius their ideas touching the relation between individual and state were wholly different from those upon which our institutions rest; and it hardly will be affirmed that any Legislature could impose such restrictions upon the people of a state without doing violence to both letter and spirit of the Constitution.

     

    , @obwandiyag
    @Polynikes

    There were still German language papers where I live in the 1930s and school was in Pennsylvania Dutch. So much so that octogenarian downtown black women spoke it at the turn of the present century.

    Replies: @Jack D, @JerseyJeffersonian

  3. My great great uncle told me about this. He was a school boy at the time. He recalled how all of the sudden one day the newspapers were full of anti German (both the country and ethnicity) propaganda and the teachers at his schools started teaching anti-German propaganda.

    He remembers being so confused because he couldn’t understand how the Germans could become such bad people overnight. (Children’s innocence can provide a refreshingly clear view!)

    This is something that has been scratched out of history to a frighteningly large degree, so I remember being surprised, listening to him describe this. And it scared me because as an American I wanted to believe that Americans are free thinkers and not so susceptible to government propaganda and coercion.

    I think this is good analogy to what is happening today Steve. The same irrational madness occurred back then, too. There is a church in Trenton, NJ that had the graves of the Hessian mercenaries that were killed in the battle of Trenton in December 1776. The 1917 SJWs dug up the remains and dumped them in the Delaware River. How long before we start seeing this happen at Confederate cemeteries?

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    An old timer told me that during WWII people in NYC would kick wiener dogs on the street.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Eric Novak

    , @Steve Sailer
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    They mayor of Madison demanded that a modest memorial in a Madison to Confederate POWs who died in a Union Army POW camp be taken down.

    Replies: @Walsh2, @Arclight, @Jack Armstrong, @Reg Cæsar, @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Elli
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    There were German speaking public schools, German speaking churches in the Midwest. Diplomas and marriage certificates in German.

    My Minnesotan-born grandmother spoke German at home. When the anti-German campaign started, classmates threw rocks at the German children. Her uncle, the head of the family, decreed that the family would speak only English thereafter.

    Replies: @Another Canadian, @Ganderson, @Redman, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Hannah Katz
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    I remember when Baby Doc Duvallier and his family fled Haiti ahead of the mobs. They got away but the mobs proceeded to dig up the corpses of Papa Doc and his wife and desecrated their bodies. Don't be surprised if something like that happens here.

    , @Hans
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Rep. Hamilton Fish covers the media deluge in his fine book FDR: The Other Side of the Coin. Massive public resistance to entering WWI, but "WMD" levels of noise and repetition from the (((Eastern))) press. Benjamin Freedman, a very high-level insider, revealed the real reason for them Dough Boys joining the slaughter and fighting against "Crucified Canadians, bayoneted babies, corpse factories, and, of course, soap" in his 1961 speech which is essential material - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhFRGDyX48c

    Fish, like almost everyone else, would later be duped by Pearl Harbor into supporting the next war. Not sure he lived long enough to find out the truth about that piece of fraud.


    Upon his 1944 defeat, after 26 years in Congress, Fish stated, "I particularly wanted to be elected to serve as chairman of the rules committee to stop the march toward communism and totalitarianism in America. I have no regrets whatever, as I waged the strongest possible fight that I knew how."
     
    There's a good collection of material on FDR's Pearl Harbor lie here - http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/pearl.html

    This is also an essential short book - https://barnesreview.org/product/a-short-history-of-the-balfour-declaration/

    , @John Up North
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    I once had a nextdoor neighbor of German descent on the Southside of Chicago. This neighbor had a close relative of German descent who was murdered in a anti German riot during WWI.

    , @R.G. Camara
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    A Tree Grows in Brooklyn is a classic American novel written by a female author who basically took her childhood in Brooklyn, NY from 1900-1917 and fictionalized it.

    The protagonist/author is a half-German, half-Irish girl who is far closer with her Irish roots than German---her German grandfather refuses to even learn English despite living in America, staying in the German neighborhoods and forcing his family (including the protagonists's mother) to do all the communicating in English.

    Anyway, when the WW1 part of the novels starts, the protagonist overheads several German guys drinking and talking, and they talk about changing their last names to get away from their Germanness out of shame of Germany fighting America.

    I always found that part painfully sad, despite not being German in the least. Imagine being so ashamed of your blood as to erase it.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    I think this is good analogy to what is happening today Steve. The same irrational madness occurred back then, too.
     
    Unfortunately, there is one major flaw in the analogy: The U.S. was only at war with Germany for about 18 months (April 6, 1917 to November 11, 1918), but the SJWs are engaged in a perpetual war against white people.

    Imagine a boot stomping on a wiener dog, forever.

    https://blog.history.ac.uk/files/2014/02/german_dog_postcard.jpg

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar, @Peter D. Bredon

    , @John Up North
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    There is a mass grave and marker on Chicago's Southside that contains the remains of many hundreds of Confederate POWs who had been imprisoned at Camp Douglas. I believe most of the men died of cholera. I hope know one disturbs them in this era of hysteria.

    Replies: @John Up North

    , @Anonymous
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    https://youtu.be/e7-_dnAOkak

    The movie Dark City illustrates these concepts the best IMO.

    The Jew views non-Jewish history, culture and practices as only with any utility to the extent that it serves his purposes. Much like people view the practices of a wild dog or wolf without care for what they were doing in the wild prior to domestication. It matters not that there was a record of truth and the things that mattered to your kind of prior generations. Each generation instead must go through life like a puppy, on its own, with obedience instilled, serving a purpose before eventual death.

    This process is more challenging with humans but not impossible perhaps. Why do we not control our curriculum, our schooling, our television programming, our government, which books are published, the press, the media, the availability of contraception and pornography, our borders, our laws and policing, our freedom to associate etc? Because if we did that, we'd be resistant to control and resilient.

    The ironic thing here is that Jews are instead trying to create some sort of mutt-golem rather than refine or cooperate with white nations to their ends. Those other peoples may be more resistent to that project, retaining their culture within the white nations while using the dulling of the societal immune response to their advantage. Others may also bring traits that are not really conducive to Jewish control or power (which includes human capital - not just "Can we get you to comply" but also "Can we do useful work with you") into the genetic mix.

    As someone else writes, the decline of the high trust (White) society and the limited number of children we are having (as a result of propaganda and contraceptives etc) is a lack of eagerness for war. Generally speaking, Jews have a strong influence but not exactly a control. A civil disobedience is a logical response. If taking up arms, especially in an organized way like an army is a fools errand, the alternative is to resist non-violently.

    The general topic here is what happened during the Wilson administration. There is a reason some Jews describe Wilson as the most pro-Jewish president in US history.

    https://www.haaretz.com/life/books/.premium-which-prez-was-most-pro-jewish-1.5340052

    , @Anon
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    The same irrational madness occurred back then, too. There is a church in Trenton, NJ that had the graves of the Hessian mercenaries that were killed in the battle of Trenton in December 1776. The 1917 SJWs dug up the remains and dumped them in the Delaware River. How long before we start seeing this happen at Confederate cemeteries?
     
    The country's filled with brainwashed retards - a significant portion of which carry badges, guns, wear a uniform, and are just waiting for their pension.

    It's a type of retardation that is no respecter of IQ or education - for instance, take how Unz went full retard with the '1,000,000's DEAD!' mantra concerning the scamdemic.

    The problem here isn't simply a matter of low intelligence, the problem is endemic personality disorders with narcissism at its core.

    Christ, all you have to do is go out to dinner, and watch the fucktard couples playing on their phones, making neither eye contact nor conversation with their partner.

    The country's a bunch of self centered idiots of all IQ levels; paranoid, hysterical, self righteous, vicious and violent in their will to preserve themselves at all costs against even the most absurd imagined/manufactured threats.

    It's all collapsing under its own weight as we speak.

  4. @NJ Transit Commuter
    My great great uncle told me about this. He was a school boy at the time. He recalled how all of the sudden one day the newspapers were full of anti German (both the country and ethnicity) propaganda and the teachers at his schools started teaching anti-German propaganda.

    He remembers being so confused because he couldn’t understand how the Germans could become such bad people overnight. (Children’s innocence can provide a refreshingly clear view!)

    This is something that has been scratched out of history to a frighteningly large degree, so I remember being surprised, listening to him describe this. And it scared me because as an American I wanted to believe that Americans are free thinkers and not so susceptible to government propaganda and coercion.

    I think this is good analogy to what is happening today Steve. The same irrational madness occurred back then, too. There is a church in Trenton, NJ that had the graves of the Hessian mercenaries that were killed in the battle of Trenton in December 1776. The 1917 SJWs dug up the remains and dumped them in the Delaware River. How long before we start seeing this happen at Confederate cemeteries?

    Replies: @Polistra, @Steve Sailer, @Elli, @Hannah Katz, @Hans, @John Up North, @R.G. Camara, @Hypnotoad666, @John Up North, @Anonymous, @Anon

    An old timer told me that during WWII people in NYC would kick wiener dogs on the street.

    • LOL: Polynikes
    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Polistra

    In Gunter Grass' Local Anaesthetic the 1960s leftists threaten to immolate a doxie as a protest against the German state

    , @Eric Novak
    @Polistra

    Yes indeed, my grandmother related kick-the-dachshund tales in Chicago as well. She was ten years old at the outbreak of WWI. Suddenly, everyone hated the Germans on Lincoln Ave. After the war, German street names were changed. Somehow Goethe on the Gold Coast survived.

    Replies: @Flip

  5. Similar things happened in Canada and Australia, lots of towns and places with German names were renamed.

    Despite being larger in population than any other ethnic group in America, having had huge and unavoidable influence on America; German-American identity is conspicuous in it’s absence today.

    It’s kind of surreal.

    Perhaps it would have had a renaissance if not for WW2.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Altai

    Oktoberfest. Schadenfreude. Beamer.

    Replies: @Polynikes, @The Alarmist

    , @Another Canadian
    @Altai

    The city of Berlin, Ontario was renamed to Kitchener, Ontario.

    If your last name ends with ...man, it's possible it used to end with ...mann. Your ancestors changed it to hide their krautness.

    , @Ancient Briton
    @Altai

    Well there's Bud beer and Heinz baked beans - prosit!

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Unladen Swallow

    , @Stan d Mute
    @Altai


    German-American identity is conspicuous in it’s absence today.
     
    Come to the HBD Mitten where all things are possible:

    https://youtu.be/Uq5acQl87pU
  6. The last word on the Trump administration.

  7. How did the Postmaster General determine which mails couldn’t be sent? were postal staff actually opening envelopes and parcels?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @photondancer

    They've been known to do that. Letters can be steamed open. The Post Office can, and historically has, focused on letters and packages sent to or from certain "usual suspects."

    , @Dacian Julien Soros
    @photondancer

    Opening letters in the Home of the Free, for more than a century? That can't be! That would so Stalinist, or Marxist, or whatever other pejoratives you boomers use when referring to American life these days. It must be Chinese propaganda playing with your mind.

    , @Aardvark
    @photondancer

    I have received mail more than a few times from outside the U.S. that was not sealed. I never figured out if the sending country required it to be sent that way or we just didn't bother re-sealing it on our end.

  8. • Replies: @Clyde
    @clifford brown

    That wild-arse fakery jive is supposed to be music? This video is from Seattle in 1989. No wonder Metallica are burnouts today. Loud, pointless, meaningless, speeded up/ trash-rock. Thanks for reminding me why I never liked them.

    It could be Jay Z or any rapper I keep reading about. I finally go to youTube to listen to one of their most popular tunes. It is always crap. Then you check out these rappers net w0rth and is in the tens of millions and on up.
    ____________


    https://www.blackenterprise.com/jay-z-and-roc-nation-form-the-parent-company-with-cannabis-companies-caliva-and-left-coast-debut-on-neo-exchange/

    JAY-Z AND ROC NATION JUST LAUNCHED THE LARGEST CANNABIS COMPANY IN CALIFORNIA
    Jay-Z The Parent Company
    by Cedric 'BIG CED' ThorntonJanuary 19, 20214630
    When Jay-Z does anything, he tends to do it big.

    The Parent Company, a conglomerate of several companies headed by Shawn “Jay-Z” Carter, made its debut on the NEO Exchange–home to over 100 corporate and ETF listings, and consistently facilitates more than 13 percent of all Canadian trading volume–today to become the largest Special Purpose Acquisition Company (SPAC) in cannabis history.

    A vertically integrated cannabis company, The Parent Company is a consolidation of the California cannabis market formed by Jay-Z, Roc Nation, and top California cannabis operators, CMG Partners Inc. (Caliva) and Left Coast Ventures Inc.

    Jay-Z will be playing an active role in the company’s operations as The Parent Company’s chief visionary officer. “Although we can’t fully redeem the injustices created by the ‘war on drugs,’ we can help shape a brighter and inclusive future. The brands we build will pave a new path forward for a legacy rooted in equity, access, and justice. We’re creating something people can trust and we’re investing in our future, our people, and our communities” the businessman says in a written statement.

    Based on revenue, footprint, and brand portfolio, The Parent Company is the largest cannabis company in California.

    “In addition to building the most influential portfolio of cannabis and hemp brands in the world, The Parent Company’s vertical operational platform has been designed for growth and future mergers and acquisitions, forging a path to redefine the cannabis industry in California and beyond,” added Steve Allan, CEO of The Parent Company. “No peer in the cannabis marketplace can compete with the unique value proposition we offer.”

    Interested parties can trade shares of The Parent Company (NEO:GRAM.U) through their investment channels, including discount brokerage platforms and full-service dealers.

    , @botazefa
    @clifford brown

    It shoulda been Lars!

  9. Or is America reliving the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917?

    https://twitter.com/V8POW/status/1351662595053387776

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jon Halpenny

    The situation does seem more like that of Russia in 1917, or 1920's Germany, than America a hundred years ago, Mr. Halpenny. History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes (is the expression, I think).

    The useful idiots are out in the streets again, railing against and destroying what's left of the culture. Again they have this idea to create a utopia using big government to redistribute the wealth. Again they want full government control of society. They don't quote Marx, as they don't read as well as the folks did a century ago, and they talk about race and gender instead of class.

    Instead of a short-term violent revolution, the left has spend a half century infiltrating the institutions and has become the Establishment. They have Government, Media, Higher Education, Lower Education, and even Big Biz now. They still haven't been able to completely take over society, though, because they took on a large, conservative, well-armed population. The big push to finish it all is happening right now though.

    Nope, it doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.

    Replies: @JMcG

    , @nebulafox
    @Jon Halpenny

    Schumer and his type of Democrat are a dying breed. My sympathy for them is limited because it is emotional nonsense based off a deeply outdated vision of Israel as a "Western" country, but there's nothing to suggest that it isn't anything more significant than genuine affection. The wokesters are much more likely to deem Israel a neo-South Africa. Cooler heads than that will probably prevail, but I strongly suspect anti-Israeli sentiment will start manifesting in the future Democratic Party.

    One thing we really do have in common with the latter USSR is the age of our political class: ours is actually older, on average! At a time when your country needs drastic, wide-sweeping structural reforms, this is really unhelpful. And the Russians had the excuse of having 20 million+ men wiped out by WWII, with the resulting demographic punch. We just have a corrupt, overweening elite determined to loot as much as they can before they die, remaining in power via inertia.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Peter D. Bredon

    , @Alt Right Moderate
    @Jon Halpenny

    Not unless most stock market investors are secret communists. In fact, its kind of the opposite, globalists yuppie elites are taking the opportunity to further kick the boot into the white working class.

  10. There are photos documenting the internment of German-Americans at allthatsinteresting.com. They include a burning of German books in Baraboo, and a German gentleman who was tarred and feathered. It does feel like history repeating itself now. The war stampede made the Spanish flu hit the fan and become a pandemic as well.
    My feeling, as German-descended, is that although historical hindsight tempts one to blame the warmongering bastards Wilson and Churchill for priming these hostilities, there really is a lot of hate ebbing and flowing in the human heart. The supply is there, and if it wasn’t demanded by those two, it might well have been by someone else.
    Well, at least in the current cycle I can take comfort in the fact that the new administration of Biteme/Harlot is laughably uninspiring. Hard to kick ass with a broken foot.

  11. The deGermanization of all things that took (and is still taking) place in America is mild compared to what has been and is still taking place in Germany!

    • Agree: Polistra
    • LOL: Morton's toes
    • Replies: @Malla
    @Dan Hayes


    The deGermanization of all things that took (and is still taking) place in America is mild compared to what has been and is still taking place in Germany!
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ly16oHJY2A
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQOFuNij7nk
    Dr. Ludwig's channel will partly help us fight this Satanic de-germanification.
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSCTl_YRo_oHFI27qwV0y0w
    , @Herzog
    @Dan Hayes

    Good quip, and true to boot, unfortunately.

    , @Stan d Mute
    @Dan Hayes


    The deGermanization of all things that took (and is still taking) place in America is mild compared to what has been and is still taking place in Germany!
     
    We are all Germans now brother..

    A thought occurs to me. We must be kinder to one another. We need to instill the solidarity that negroes have among one another. How do we do this and still excommunicate and ostracize the enemies within?
  12. @Altai
    Similar things happened in Canada and Australia, lots of towns and places with German names were renamed.

    Despite being larger in population than any other ethnic group in America, having had huge and unavoidable influence on America; German-American identity is conspicuous in it's absence today.

    It's kind of surreal.

    Perhaps it would have had a renaissance if not for WW2.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Another Canadian, @Ancient Briton, @Stan d Mute

    Oktoberfest. Schadenfreude. Beamer.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    @James Speaks

    Agree. In the Midwest there are still some German traditions. Oktoberfest being a big one, and in places like Wisconsin it is quite ubiquitous. I believe Ft Wayne has a large summer fest called German-fest. But in many ways English and German ancestry sort of melded a culture together—the much maligned WASPs as the dominant US culture writ large.

    Some day that’ll be gone too as Cinco de mayo overtakes the 4th of July as the nations holiday.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon

    , @The Alarmist
    @James Speaks

    To many Germans, a Beamer is a video projector. You should add Weltanschauung to your list.

    Replies: @James Speaks

  13. The Great War was thus a war of choice for the U.S., with no Pearl Harbor to incite unanimity. … the anti-German mania of 1917 was largely political, a contrivance

    A good thing about losing high trust society is maybe people won’t fall for dumb wars.

    Congress passed the Espionage Act of 1917 to imprison Americans for crimes of “insubordination.”
    The Sedition Act of 1918 doubled down, proscribing up to twenty years’ imprisonment for publishing disloyal language about the government of the United States.

    In case anyone thinks obedience to authority just started in 2021.

    Looking back, the whole episode seems embarrassing.

    Very. It’s painful to think about what we lost by demonizing Germans. THIS is what we should be apologizing for.

    • Replies: @Ragno
    @RichardTaylor


    It’s painful to think about what we lost by demonizing Germans.
     
    Much of our essence; much of our soul.
  14. Keep in mind that Wilson’s anti-German clampdown of 1917 was not wholly unwarranted by German bad behavior.

    For instance, in July 1916, German agents blew up a thousand tons of munitions destined for Czarist Russia on Black Tom Island in New York Harbor. Thousands of windows were smashed in Manhattan and the Statue of Liberty was permanently damaged.

    In the current climate, whites are vilified for not being obsequious enough and negroes are exalted for destroying cultural landmarks as well as our culture. Dark times, indeed.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @James Speaks

    Keep in mind that Hitler's anti-Jewish clampdown of 1938 was not wholly unwarranted by Jewish bad behavior.

    For instance, in April 1919, Jewish agents overthrew the government and formed the Bavarian Soviet Republic. Hundreds of Freikorp were killed in the fight to restore order.

    Replies: @Jack D

  15. @NJ Transit Commuter
    My great great uncle told me about this. He was a school boy at the time. He recalled how all of the sudden one day the newspapers were full of anti German (both the country and ethnicity) propaganda and the teachers at his schools started teaching anti-German propaganda.

    He remembers being so confused because he couldn’t understand how the Germans could become such bad people overnight. (Children’s innocence can provide a refreshingly clear view!)

    This is something that has been scratched out of history to a frighteningly large degree, so I remember being surprised, listening to him describe this. And it scared me because as an American I wanted to believe that Americans are free thinkers and not so susceptible to government propaganda and coercion.

    I think this is good analogy to what is happening today Steve. The same irrational madness occurred back then, too. There is a church in Trenton, NJ that had the graves of the Hessian mercenaries that were killed in the battle of Trenton in December 1776. The 1917 SJWs dug up the remains and dumped them in the Delaware River. How long before we start seeing this happen at Confederate cemeteries?

    Replies: @Polistra, @Steve Sailer, @Elli, @Hannah Katz, @Hans, @John Up North, @R.G. Camara, @Hypnotoad666, @John Up North, @Anonymous, @Anon

    They mayor of Madison demanded that a modest memorial in a Madison to Confederate POWs who died in a Union Army POW camp be taken down.

    • Replies: @Walsh2
    @Steve Sailer

    Well of course, all those poor white confederate soldiers died defending slavery. It wasn't like there was a series of conscription acts first enacted a year into the war. Same with all those poor black soldiers dying in Vietnam to stop the spread of communism. Couldn't have been because they were drafted. Maybe, just maybe they fought and died because that's what poor folks do when rich folks decide to start a war.

    , @Arclight
    @Steve Sailer

    Same in Indianapolis - same kind of monument, located in a park in a predominantly working class white area, removed in summer of 2020.

    , @Jack Armstrong
    @Steve Sailer

    There’s a memorial to a dozen German POWs killed in an accident in October 1945 in Battle Creek, Michigan. To make it double plus bad it’s in the Fort Custer military cemetery.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    They mayor of Madison demanded that a modest memorial in a Madison to Confederate POWs who died in a Union Army POW camp be taken down.
     
    Yes, Madison. Was this on Washington Avenue, the main isthmic thoroughfare? Or Pinckney Street? Blount Street? Jenifer Street? Spaight Street?


    Massa's name be all ovah Madison!


    The coronation inauguration ceremony wafted into the room despite my attempts to shut it out. Someone sang an anthem with words written by a slave owner and legal representative of other such men.

    These people are so blind to their own hypocrisy.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Steve Sailer

    She has been in local political office since 2007. It's curious that only in 2020 did she notice the Confederate statue.

    Replies: @Prester John

  16. I seem to recall a few references to the renaming of items during WW1 during 2003. How it was stupid, and we shouldn’t do it again (Freedom Fries).
    A lot of these were by people explaining we shouldn’t blame Islam for 9/11. However, we could blame most Germans for the Holocaust.

    • Replies: @Abe
    @Redneck farmer


    How it was stupid, and we shouldn’t do it again (Freedom Fries).
     
    “Dachshunds were stoned in the street. Sauerkraut was renamed Liberty Cabbage. Potsdam, MO hurriedly changed its name to Pershing.”

    (see 29:33 if unz.com strips off my time index again)

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=91bwMSKAYZI&t=29m33s

    Replies: @Polistra

    , @Alfa158
    @Redneck farmer

    A nearby school district named one of the high schools after the descendant of German immigrants who organized and headed the local school district in the early 20th century. At the outbreak of WW2 they removed his first name, Adolph, from the school. There is one place on the exterior where his first name is still present because it was carved into a large limestone doorway the district didn’t want to pay to replace.
    The carving probably only survives today’s great purge because the present student body consists overwhelmingly of kids from recent immigrant families who aren’t bothered by it.

  17. @clifford brown
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjAhgd9K-8o

    Replies: @Clyde, @botazefa

    That wild-arse fakery jive is supposed to be music? This video is from Seattle in 1989. No wonder Metallica are burnouts today. Loud, pointless, meaningless, speeded up/ trash-rock. Thanks for reminding me why I never liked them.

    It could be Jay Z or any rapper I keep reading about. I finally go to youTube to listen to one of their most popular tunes. It is always crap. Then you check out these rappers net w0rth and is in the tens of millions and on up.
    ____________

    https://www.blackenterprise.com/jay-z-and-roc-nation-form-the-parent-company-with-cannabis-companies-caliva-and-left-coast-debut-on-neo-exchange/

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    Jay-Z The Parent Company
    by Cedric ‘BIG CED’ ThorntonJanuary 19, 20214630
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    The Parent Company, a conglomerate of several companies headed by Shawn “Jay-Z” Carter, made its debut on the NEO Exchange–home to over 100 corporate and ETF listings, and consistently facilitates more than 13 percent of all Canadian trading volume–today to become the largest Special Purpose Acquisition Company (SPAC) in cannabis history.

    A vertically integrated cannabis company, The Parent Company is a consolidation of the California cannabis market formed by Jay-Z, Roc Nation, and top California cannabis operators, CMG Partners Inc. (Caliva) and Left Coast Ventures Inc.

    Jay-Z will be playing an active role in the company’s operations as The Parent Company’s chief visionary officer. “Although we can’t fully redeem the injustices created by the ‘war on drugs,’ we can help shape a brighter and inclusive future. The brands we build will pave a new path forward for a legacy rooted in equity, access, and justice. We’re creating something people can trust and we’re investing in our future, our people, and our communities” the businessman says in a written statement.

    Based on revenue, footprint, and brand portfolio, The Parent Company is the largest cannabis company in California.

    “In addition to building the most influential portfolio of cannabis and hemp brands in the world, The Parent Company’s vertical operational platform has been designed for growth and future mergers and acquisitions, forging a path to redefine the cannabis industry in California and beyond,” added Steve Allan, CEO of The Parent Company. “No peer in the cannabis marketplace can compete with the unique value proposition we offer.”

    Interested parties can trade shares of The Parent Company (NEO:GRAM.U) through their investment channels, including discount brokerage platforms and full-service dealers.

  18. In England the British Royal Family scurried to change their last names. Hitler always had a soft spot for the British who carried so many Saxon genetics. Germany-England –Two fighting brothers in a way.

    “The British royal family changed their surname (last name) from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor in 1917.” — From internet

    • Replies: @Abe
    @Clyde


    In England the British Royal Family scurried to change their last names
     
    .

    There were anti-German riots and other types of nastiness in the UK as well; a darkly funny example is how this family business with a funny-looking foreign name out front had to write “We Are Russian” on the windows in order to avoid getting looted:

    (see 24:46 if UNZ strips off my time marker):

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T1WjRG6ot5Y&t=24m46s

    Replies: @Jack D, @Prof. Woland

    , @Abe
    @Clyde


    In England the British Royal Family scurried to change their last names.
     
    I was reading Churchill’s history of WWI and he kept referring to a certain “Prince Louis” without ever actually bothering to establish who this personage was. Well, Wikipedia to the rescue!- apparently the No. 2 at the Royal Navy (an institution back then probably more important than Parliament or even the monarchy) was a plucky German immigrant who had enlisted as a 14-year old cadet and worked his way up on the basis of nothing but pluck and- oh yeah- princely title. As a result of the same WWI anti-German feeling he changed the family name to Mountbatten, and his son became a sort of “mentor” (in reality I’m guessing pander) to Prince Charles.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Art Deco, @Herzog

    , @Jack D
    @Clyde

    The links between British royalty and Germany were much more recent than the Anglo-Saxon invasion. The Saxe-Coburg-Gotha name belonged to Prince Albert, husband of Queen Victoria and so dated back only to the 19th century. Victoria herself was of German extraction dating back to George I. After Queen Anne of the House of Stuart died, the German prince George I (who also was the King of Hanover, a German state) was her closest living Protestant relative and became King. The Stuarts were Scottish not English so Elizabeth I was the last ruler of England who was actually English and the English have been ruled by foreigners for the last 400 years.

    It's very common for the ruling class of a nation to be of a different nationality than the masses. Pre-unification Germany had tons of princely states and the princes were intermarried with other European royalty (who were only supposed to marry fellow royals). Whenever the local line failed in some European country, the next in line was usually one of these German princes.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Flip, @nebulafox, @peterike, @Clyde, @Rob McX, @Anon, @Anonymous

  19. 2021.

    “And then they came for the Anglos.”

  20. By the time America finally calmed down under Harding’s “return to normalcy,” German-Americans had learned to keep their heads down.

    Eisenhower and Morgenthau exported the programme to the Fatherland after WW2, where the locals learned not just to keep their heads down, but seem to actually revel in their own long-term extirpation.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @The Alarmist

    Concentration camp mentality is a drug.

    Also, the European Commission has no agency and bites the pillow: Silicon Valley CEOs can’t decide laws and rules, EU Commission president says


    Relations between the EU and the US became strained during Trump’s presidency, after the Republican leader pulled out of a number of international agreements, such as the Paris Climate Accord, and demanded that NATO partners in Europe pay a greater contribution to the military alliance. Expressing her hope for progress and, potentially, securing a final jab at the outgoing US president, von der Leyen declared that “After four long years, Europe has a friend in the White House.”
     
    You will be surprised, lady.
    , @Herzog
    @The Alarmist

    A little language input: Eisenhower and Morgenthau are both transparently German names, with the first translating as "iron hewer" and the second as "morning dew." Eisenhower would be spelled Eisenhauer according to German conventions, but pronounced the same as in English.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  21. A mob of white people was witnessed (in real-life, as in this clip, gathered for reasons having noting to do with semitism either pro- or anti-) and then the masters of our universe lost their collective sh!t:

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Abe

    Finally an explanation of why there were Israelis with cameras having an impromptu meeting on top of an office building with a good view on WTC 46 minutes before the plane hit on 9/11.

    Upon which the immortal words were uttered:



    Give us 20 Years and we’ll take over your media and destroy your country.

     

    And they were right.
  22. @Jon Halpenny
    Or is America reliving the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917?

    https://twitter.com/V8POW/status/1351662595053387776

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @nebulafox, @Alt Right Moderate

    The situation does seem more like that of Russia in 1917, or 1920’s Germany, than America a hundred years ago, Mr. Halpenny. History doesn’t repeat, but it rhymes (is the expression, I think).

    The useful idiots are out in the streets again, railing against and destroying what’s left of the culture. Again they have this idea to create a utopia using big government to redistribute the wealth. Again they want full government control of society. They don’t quote Marx, as they don’t read as well as the folks did a century ago, and they talk about race and gender instead of class.

    Instead of a short-term violent revolution, the left has spend a half century infiltrating the institutions and has become the Establishment. They have Government, Media, Higher Education, Lower Education, and even Big Biz now. They still haven’t been able to completely take over society, though, because they took on a large, conservative, well-armed population. The big push to finish it all is happening right now though.

    Nope, it doesn’t repeat, but it rhymes.

    • Agree: Kylie, Escher
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Achmed E. Newman

    We are Spain in 1935 or 36. The Catholic Church in this country is already a wreck though, and the priests and nuns are more likely to be among the executioners than the executed.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  23. @NJ Transit Commuter
    My great great uncle told me about this. He was a school boy at the time. He recalled how all of the sudden one day the newspapers were full of anti German (both the country and ethnicity) propaganda and the teachers at his schools started teaching anti-German propaganda.

    He remembers being so confused because he couldn’t understand how the Germans could become such bad people overnight. (Children’s innocence can provide a refreshingly clear view!)

    This is something that has been scratched out of history to a frighteningly large degree, so I remember being surprised, listening to him describe this. And it scared me because as an American I wanted to believe that Americans are free thinkers and not so susceptible to government propaganda and coercion.

    I think this is good analogy to what is happening today Steve. The same irrational madness occurred back then, too. There is a church in Trenton, NJ that had the graves of the Hessian mercenaries that were killed in the battle of Trenton in December 1776. The 1917 SJWs dug up the remains and dumped them in the Delaware River. How long before we start seeing this happen at Confederate cemeteries?

    Replies: @Polistra, @Steve Sailer, @Elli, @Hannah Katz, @Hans, @John Up North, @R.G. Camara, @Hypnotoad666, @John Up North, @Anonymous, @Anon

    There were German speaking public schools, German speaking churches in the Midwest. Diplomas and marriage certificates in German.

    My Minnesotan-born grandmother spoke German at home. When the anti-German campaign started, classmates threw rocks at the German children. Her uncle, the head of the family, decreed that the family would speak only English thereafter.

    • Replies: @Another Canadian
    @Elli

    Yes, very common. My grandmother's older brother wrote a diary in German in 1913, however, she couldn't speak German and took Spanish as a foreign language in high school.

    , @Ganderson
    @Elli

    Most people associate Minnesota and Scandinavians; and while there are more people ( at least historically; there have been some ...err.. demographic changes in the last 30 years) descended from Norskies, Swedes and Danes, and even some Icelanders, there are more Germans than any Scandinavian nationality. My grade school in St. Paul used to have an Irish vs German hoops game every St. Patrick’s Day.

    Most high schools in MN, at least when I was a nipper, taught German. I took 4 years of it.
    Sorry Lagertha, I left out the Finlanders- no shortage of them, especially “up north”.

    , @Redman
    @Elli

    I read somewhere that Ron Paul's parents spoke German at home when he was growing up in Pennsylvania. As did Trump's father Fred growing up in New York.

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @Jack D

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Elli


    My Minnesotan-born grandmother spoke German at home.
     
    I knew a professor whose mother was born in Minnesota to Pomeranian immigrants. Though a third- (or second- if you're fussy) generation American, she learned grandma's tongue straight from the source. This professor and a relative toured West Germany in the '60s or '70s, and got nasty stares from people who heard them speak.
  24. Ralph Raico on 1912 and onwards:

    The same things still work 100 years later, including incubator babies thrown on floors etc.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @El Dato


    Ralph Raico on 1912 and onwards:
     
    He sure doesn’t detect any propaganda in the Second World War..
  25. We touched on this subject in the comment section recently. Now Steve’s essay brings to mind a question: How would White Americans in general blend into the surrounding population the way German ones did?

    Americans don’t really distinguish if you have German physical traits, because those characteristics are so much like others from Northwestern Europe. (Go to Europe, however, where friends or family might notice one’s somewhat German appearance and even comment, nicely, on it.)

    German Americans looked like so many other Citizens, to Americans at least, but now, when the animosity is directed at all Whites, what happens?

    • Replies: @Old and Grumpy
    @Buzz Mohawk

    According to Darwin, we ultimately all hail from black Africans. So doesn't that make us whites just blacks but hindered by our genetic lack of skin pigment? We are victims here. Also we could all convert to Judaism. Somehow a religion makes us non white, and the implications could be hilarious.

    , @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    How do Germans look? In thinking about the Nazi leadership (a very German bunch if you count Austrians as Germans) it's hard to think of a single "look" - they just look like generic white people. There are some Germans who look like stereotype of the blond haired Aryan but it's not like all (or even a large fraction) of Germans have that look.

    Replies: @Redman, @Stan Adams, @John Johnson, @Buzz Mohawk, @Bannon, @Hypnotoad666, @David In TN

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Serious answer: I would think the best way to blend in would be to marry a foreign looking woman. East Asian, South Asian, or Latin would all do nicely.

    Replies: @Anon

  26. The BookTV cable-television channel recently broadcast a lecture by Jonathan Rosenberg about his book, Dangerous Melodies: Classical Music and Politics in 20th Century America.

    Much of the lecture is about the boycotts and persecutions of German classical-music performances, composers and musicians in the USA because of World War One. The boycotts and persecutions were quite public and popular.

  27. That was another enjoyable Taki column with an interesting theme and some small pieces of history I hadn’t known about. The Wilsonian policies and the mass propagandizing by the press remind me of the War on Terra 80 years later, especially this spreading democracy business.

    As much as I see the German immigrants as having been a big benefit* to America over the years, one lesson to be gotten out of the column is IMMIGRATION MORATORIUMS WORK!. Were it the early 1990s still, when Peter Brimelow wrote a book about it, we could easily handle our problem with one. Now, with an even bigger percentage of foreign-born people, from lands much more foreign, it’s too late for this. Americans, being the tolerant people they are, have let it go way too far.

    .

    * An exception, just as with almost any modern-day immigrants from W. Europe, is that they tend Socialist.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Culturally confident countries are better equipped to assimilate immigrants. That’s not us today.

    And I’d argue that Germans, Slavs, Scandies, Italians, etc, heck, even Jews are easier to assimilate than Africans, Subcontinentals, and Chinese.

    , @Redman
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Agree. This was one of Steve's better and more informative Taki pieces.

    The 1924 immigration act probably wouldn't be possible today for another reason. To wit, the Civil Rights Act and movement, and the modern day religion of "equality" it created. The 1924 Act was based on ethnic/national quotas, which today would be considered obscene by the woke mob.

    We're now seeing the third act of our overlords' plan to "invade the world, invite the world" in real time.

  28. @The Alarmist

    By the time America finally calmed down under Harding’s “return to normalcy,” German-Americans had learned to keep their heads down.
     
    Eisenhower and Morgenthau exported the programme to the Fatherland after WW2, where the locals learned not just to keep their heads down, but seem to actually revel in their own long-term extirpation.

    https://euractiv.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/09/refugees_welcome_berlin.jpeg

    Replies: @El Dato, @Herzog

    Concentration camp mentality is a drug.

    Also, the European Commission has no agency and bites the pillow: Silicon Valley CEOs can’t decide laws and rules, EU Commission president says

    Relations between the EU and the US became strained during Trump’s presidency, after the Republican leader pulled out of a number of international agreements, such as the Paris Climate Accord, and demanded that NATO partners in Europe pay a greater contribution to the military alliance. Expressing her hope for progress and, potentially, securing a final jab at the outgoing US president, von der Leyen declared that “After four long years, Europe has a friend in the White House.”

    You will be surprised, lady.

  29. ‘He pardoned it’: Americans rip Trump for failing to ‘drain the swamp’ as he rescinds lobbying ban on his way out

    What’s the MAGA cope on this btw? My take is that Trump is a great fan of accelerationism. Yeah. That must be it.

  30. OT: RIP Don Sutton.

    • Thanks: Jack Armstrong
    • Replies: @Trinity
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Didn't Don Sutton and Steve Garvey come to blows in the Dodger locker room?

    Back to the article. So America put Japanese Americans in camps, and discriminated against German Americans and Italian Americans during WWII. I heard somewhere that German Americans made up a very significant proportion of America back then so what gives? Americans were so brainwashed to hate everything German that the beloved dachshund lost popularity as a pet. Given that so many dog breeds originated in Germany, dog ownership must have declined considerably.

    Unlike the German American, the Italian American and the Japanese American, Jews were destroying Germany and they had already took over the Soviet Union and World Jewry had declared war on Germany. Jews were POW and placed in camps because they were an actual threat to Germany and Europe for that matter unlike the Japanese American who posed no real threat to America.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @njguy73

  31. @photondancer
    How did the Postmaster General determine which mails couldn't be sent? were postal staff actually opening envelopes and parcels?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Dacian Julien Soros, @Aardvark

    They’ve been known to do that. Letters can be steamed open. The Post Office can, and historically has, focused on letters and packages sent to or from certain “usual suspects.”

  32. @Polynikes
    I had always come across a stat (and I’m paraphrasing because it’s been awhile) that said there were about 1300 German language newspapers pre-WW1 in circulation in the US. Post WW1 that number was down to ~13.

    Maybe it’s apocryphal, but the forced assimilation of Germans used to be taught in history class by some of your more keen history teachers. At least that was the case a couple decades ago.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @Hypnotoad666, @obwandiyag

    I remember being taught about the whole “liberty cabbage” episode in seventh grade back in the 80’s

  33. @NJ Transit Commuter
    My great great uncle told me about this. He was a school boy at the time. He recalled how all of the sudden one day the newspapers were full of anti German (both the country and ethnicity) propaganda and the teachers at his schools started teaching anti-German propaganda.

    He remembers being so confused because he couldn’t understand how the Germans could become such bad people overnight. (Children’s innocence can provide a refreshingly clear view!)

    This is something that has been scratched out of history to a frighteningly large degree, so I remember being surprised, listening to him describe this. And it scared me because as an American I wanted to believe that Americans are free thinkers and not so susceptible to government propaganda and coercion.

    I think this is good analogy to what is happening today Steve. The same irrational madness occurred back then, too. There is a church in Trenton, NJ that had the graves of the Hessian mercenaries that were killed in the battle of Trenton in December 1776. The 1917 SJWs dug up the remains and dumped them in the Delaware River. How long before we start seeing this happen at Confederate cemeteries?

    Replies: @Polistra, @Steve Sailer, @Elli, @Hannah Katz, @Hans, @John Up North, @R.G. Camara, @Hypnotoad666, @John Up North, @Anonymous, @Anon

    I remember when Baby Doc Duvallier and his family fled Haiti ahead of the mobs. They got away but the mobs proceeded to dig up the corpses of Papa Doc and his wife and desecrated their bodies. Don’t be surprised if something like that happens here.

  34. Dwight D. Eisenhower starved the captured remaining German forces to death and handed over half of Europe to the Soviets.

    The Germanic blood had long been drained from him. He was entirely American.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    @Pat Hannagan

    All electronic music extends from Wagner's Prelude to Lohengrin

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqk4bcnBqls

    Replies: @Prester John

    , @Art Deco
    @Pat Hannagan

    Dwight D. Eisenhower starved the captured remaining German forces to death and handed over half of Europe to the Soviets.

    He didn't and he didn't.

  35. @Redneck farmer
    I seem to recall a few references to the renaming of items during WW1 during 2003. How it was stupid, and we shouldn't do it again (Freedom Fries).
    A lot of these were by people explaining we shouldn't blame Islam for 9/11. However, we could blame most Germans for the Holocaust.

    Replies: @Abe, @Alfa158

    How it was stupid, and we shouldn’t do it again (Freedom Fries).

    “Dachshunds were stoned in the street. Sauerkraut was renamed Liberty Cabbage. Potsdam, MO hurriedly changed its name to Pershing.”

    (see 29:33 if unz.com strips off my time index again)

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Abe

    Ya gotta hand it to the Masters of Propaganda, in all times. The people fall for their BS, hook line & sinker, without fail. "The bad people are killing women and children! They unplugged babies' incubators! They dragged a corpse through the streets! Cops are killing innocent black bodies! White people are racist! Whose side are you on?"

  36. The final straw that drove America into the war was the Zimmerman Telegram from the German foreign minister to the president of Mexico offering him an alliance to reconquer Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona.

    I wish they were as determined to prevent foreign conquest of these states now as they were then.

  37. @Altai
    Similar things happened in Canada and Australia, lots of towns and places with German names were renamed.

    Despite being larger in population than any other ethnic group in America, having had huge and unavoidable influence on America; German-American identity is conspicuous in it's absence today.

    It's kind of surreal.

    Perhaps it would have had a renaissance if not for WW2.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Another Canadian, @Ancient Briton, @Stan d Mute

    The city of Berlin, Ontario was renamed to Kitchener, Ontario.

    If your last name ends with …man, it’s possible it used to end with …mann. Your ancestors changed it to hide their krautness.

  38. @Abe
    @Redneck farmer


    How it was stupid, and we shouldn’t do it again (Freedom Fries).
     
    “Dachshunds were stoned in the street. Sauerkraut was renamed Liberty Cabbage. Potsdam, MO hurriedly changed its name to Pershing.”

    (see 29:33 if unz.com strips off my time index again)

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=91bwMSKAYZI&t=29m33s

    Replies: @Polistra

    Ya gotta hand it to the Masters of Propaganda, in all times. The people fall for their BS, hook line & sinker, without fail. “The bad people are killing women and children! They unplugged babies’ incubators! They dragged a corpse through the streets! Cops are killing innocent black bodies! White people are racist! Whose side are you on?”

  39. @Pat Hannagan
    Dwight D. Eisenhower starved the captured remaining German forces to death and handed over half of Europe to the Soviets.

    The Germanic blood had long been drained from him. He was entirely American.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF7euO5RmqI

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan, @Art Deco

    All electronic music extends from Wagner’s Prelude to Lohengrin

    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Pat Hannagan

    Not to mention just about all motion picture music.

  40. @Elli
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    There were German speaking public schools, German speaking churches in the Midwest. Diplomas and marriage certificates in German.

    My Minnesotan-born grandmother spoke German at home. When the anti-German campaign started, classmates threw rocks at the German children. Her uncle, the head of the family, decreed that the family would speak only English thereafter.

    Replies: @Another Canadian, @Ganderson, @Redman, @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, very common. My grandmother’s older brother wrote a diary in German in 1913, however, she couldn’t speak German and took Spanish as a foreign language in high school.

  41. @Clyde
    In England the British Royal Family scurried to change their last names. Hitler always had a soft spot for the British who carried so many Saxon genetics. Germany-England --Two fighting brothers in a way.

    "The British royal family changed their surname (last name) from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor in 1917." --- From internet

    Replies: @Abe, @Abe, @Jack D

    In England the British Royal Family scurried to change their last names

    .

    There were anti-German riots and other types of nastiness in the UK as well; a darkly funny example is how this family business with a funny-looking foreign name out front had to write “We Are Russian” on the windows in order to avoid getting looted:

    (see 24:46 if UNZ strips off my time marker):

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Abe

    A jeweler named Abraham Eliashow - that's a funny "Russian" name and occupation.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    , @Prof. Woland
    @Abe


    had to write “We Are Russian” on the windows in order to avoid getting looted:
     
    Nowadays they would have to write BLM.
  42. The thing I’m waiting for most of January 2021 is will Vox Day’s head implode or how will he pivot to a new grift

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2021/01/sendoff-ceremony-andrews-afb.html

    I reckon Vox will simply ignore events and change the subject insinuating an insiders knowledge of something no one cares about and drum it up as being the be-all and end-all which he’ll monetize

    To all the Vox Day Q-Anon fanatics, those who’ve contributed to his wealth, his Italian hideaway

  43. In Cincinnati, pretzels were canceled from bars’ free lunches.

    That could also be because of a rational assessment of the merits of pretzels.

    Europe, however, where friends or family might notice one’s somewhat German appearance

    I’ve visited Germany a good few times and haven’t really noticed any large difference in appearance between the Germans, Dutch, and British. (Except that during my lifetime the young Dutch have suddenly become very tall.)

    There’s one exception: people in Berlin are unusually ugly. Those old Georg Grosz cartoons are only an exaggeration not an invention.

    It’s not just people in the streets. Compare the girls in adverts: if it’s an advert for a national chain/magazine/product the girl is unusually pretty, if for a local Berlin item she isn’t. It’s the damndest thing. Maybe there is a perfectly straightforward genetic explanation.

    Qualification: I haven’t travelled in the old DDR beyond Berlin. Nor do I know what the old East Prussians looked like – maybe Berliners are disproportionately descended from them.

  44. MR has comment voting now. Head on over and vote up Mr Steve.

    Tyler won’t know what hit him. Unless someone tells him..

    https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2021/01/u-s-a-fact-of-the-day-7.html#comments

  45. An interesting article but I’m surprised there was no mention of the restaurants.

    During the anti-German hysteria German restaurants became American Cafes overnight.

  46. @Clyde
    In England the British Royal Family scurried to change their last names. Hitler always had a soft spot for the British who carried so many Saxon genetics. Germany-England --Two fighting brothers in a way.

    "The British royal family changed their surname (last name) from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor in 1917." --- From internet

    Replies: @Abe, @Abe, @Jack D

    In England the British Royal Family scurried to change their last names.

    I was reading Churchill’s history of WWI and he kept referring to a certain “Prince Louis” without ever actually bothering to establish who this personage was. Well, Wikipedia to the rescue!- apparently the No. 2 at the Royal Navy (an institution back then probably more important than Parliament or even the monarchy) was a plucky German immigrant who had enlisted as a 14-year old cadet and worked his way up on the basis of nothing but pluck and- oh yeah- princely title. As a result of the same WWI anti-German feeling he changed the family name to Mountbatten, and his son became a sort of “mentor” (in reality I’m guessing pander) to Prince Charles.

    • Agree: Liza
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Abe

    The IRA blew up Mountbatten off the coast of County Sligo, along with the usual assortment of women and children, in ‘79.

    , @Art Deco
    @Abe

    and his son became a sort of “mentor” (in reality I’m guessing pander) to Prince Charles.

    His son was Prince Charles' great-uncle, not some random 'mentor'. His 'pandering' consisted of suggesting Charles consider his granddaughter as possible marriage material. (The grand-daughter married someone else).

    Replies: @Abe

    , @Herzog
    @Abe

    Mountbatten is nothing else than the anglicization of an underlying German Battenberg, with "berg" being German for "mountain."

    The German tradition seems to have been upheld, with the utmost discreetion of course, in the British royal family until the generation of Prince Charles. When Prince Charles visited Hamburg about twenty-five years ago, where I happened to live at the time, I was surprised, even stunned to hear him give his official speech in somewhat accented, but otherwise flawless and natural German.

    I'm skeptical though as to whether Prince William could still pull the same feat.

  47. And while I know that Steve has already written about this, the stats are brutal and stunning.

    One big leg up in 2014-16, and we now have a complete disconnect with the past.

    Little more than crickets from the MSM. Almost as if some lives don’t..

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Polistra

    Poli, of all these Seattle is the most disturbing, but it is what the mayor and city council enabled. If you have the time please watch "Seattle is Dying" followed by "Fight for the Soul of Seattle." Both are legitimate pieces of journalism produced by the local press. So sad.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  48. @James Speaks
    @Altai

    Oktoberfest. Schadenfreude. Beamer.

    Replies: @Polynikes, @The Alarmist

    Agree. In the Midwest there are still some German traditions. Oktoberfest being a big one, and in places like Wisconsin it is quite ubiquitous. I believe Ft Wayne has a large summer fest called German-fest. But in many ways English and German ancestry sort of melded a culture together—the much maligned WASPs as the dominant US culture writ large.

    Some day that’ll be gone too as Cinco de mayo overtakes the 4th of July as the nations holiday.

    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
    @Polynikes

    Amusingly, across the country, COVID restrictions have been a big bonus for kitschy "biergartens" that count as "outdoor dining" while traditional indoor restaurants, bars and taverns are dropping like flies. Revenge of the Hun!

  49. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump pardons Israel’s Jonathan Pollard spy handler:

    And a rapper who produced a video glamorizing a Black man beating up white Trump voter:

    And the Democrat former mayor of Detroit, Kwame Fitzpatrick.

    But nothing for the people who have challenged the “deep state” and fought for freedom of speech and of the press. (Snowden, Kiriakou, Assange.) And nothing for his supporters who protested on his behalf on Jan. 6.

    He truly leaves office in ignominy.

    • Agree: JMcG

  50. [MORE]

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @MEH 0910

    My money is on hot war with Russia within 6 months.

    Unless Russia makes it clear they have their own "anti-Samson" option uploaded to the targeting computers and maybe lay off that shit or else.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @MEH 0910

    The whole 911 commission thing is a talking point - they've all been saying it the last few days: Hillary, Pelosi, Comey, AOC, Swallwell, etc.

    How about a 911 commision to investigate 911. A real investigation, that is. That would be fun.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @MEH 0910

    MEH, they won't go away.

  51. @Abe
    A mob of white people was witnessed (in real-life, as in this clip, gathered for reasons having noting to do with semitism either pro- or anti-) and then the masters of our universe lost their collective sh!t:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OFQJTY5p9zk

    Replies: @El Dato

    Finally an explanation of why there were Israelis with cameras having an impromptu meeting on top of an office building with a good view on WTC 46 minutes before the plane hit on 9/11.

    Upon which the immortal words were uttered:

    Give us 20 Years and we’ll take over your media and destroy your country.

    And they were right.

  52. @Steve Sailer
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    They mayor of Madison demanded that a modest memorial in a Madison to Confederate POWs who died in a Union Army POW camp be taken down.

    Replies: @Walsh2, @Arclight, @Jack Armstrong, @Reg Cæsar, @JohnnyWalker123

    Well of course, all those poor white confederate soldiers died defending slavery. It wasn’t like there was a series of conscription acts first enacted a year into the war. Same with all those poor black soldiers dying in Vietnam to stop the spread of communism. Couldn’t have been because they were drafted. Maybe, just maybe they fought and died because that’s what poor folks do when rich folks decide to start a war.

  53. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1351297926769872899

    https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1351198931154333702

    Replies: @El Dato, @Mr. Anon, @Buffalo Joe

    My money is on hot war with Russia within 6 months.

    Unless Russia makes it clear they have their own “anti-Samson” option uploaded to the targeting computers and maybe lay off that shit or else.

  54. Teutonic Terror?
    You get what you ask for, right in the face!

    So we drive, through the night
    With the howling wind at our backs
    Riding on Teutonic terror
    We will, give ’em the axe

  55. “During the period of anti-German feelings in England during World War I, many German names and titles were changed and given more English-sounding names, including the royal family’s from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor. Kaiser Wilhelm II countered this by jokingly saying that he was off to see a performance of ‘The Merry Wives of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.’”
    Wikipedia- Merry Wives of Windsor

  56. @Buzz Mohawk
    We touched on this subject in the comment section recently. Now Steve's essay brings to mind a question: How would White Americans in general blend into the surrounding population the way German ones did?

    Americans don't really distinguish if you have German physical traits, because those characteristics are so much like others from Northwestern Europe. (Go to Europe, however, where friends or family might notice one's somewhat German appearance and even comment, nicely, on it.)

    German Americans looked like so many other Citizens, to Americans at least, but now, when the animosity is directed at all Whites, what happens?

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy, @Jack D, @Intelligent Dasein

    According to Darwin, we ultimately all hail from black Africans. So doesn’t that make us whites just blacks but hindered by our genetic lack of skin pigment? We are victims here. Also we could all convert to Judaism. Somehow a religion makes us non white, and the implications could be hilarious.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  57. @James Speaks
    @Altai

    Oktoberfest. Schadenfreude. Beamer.

    Replies: @Polynikes, @The Alarmist

    To many Germans, a Beamer is a video projector. You should add Weltanschauung to your list.

    • Thanks: James Speaks
    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @The Alarmist

    My ancestry is a mix of Mediterranean, Teutonic and Celtic. About 1/3 each. German - about 4%. I know very few German words. Gedanken is my favorite. I will add Weltanschauung to my vocabularly and put learn what Weltanschauung means on my to do list. Maybe I'll say it out loud before summer.

    BTW, do you speak German? If so, I have a couple a phrases I would like translated into German.

    1. Excuse me! My battle tank accidently ran over your ox cart.
    2. Have a nice weekend and try not to invade Poland.

    • Danke schoen:

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  58. @Abe
    @Clyde


    In England the British Royal Family scurried to change their last names
     
    .

    There were anti-German riots and other types of nastiness in the UK as well; a darkly funny example is how this family business with a funny-looking foreign name out front had to write “We Are Russian” on the windows in order to avoid getting looted:

    (see 24:46 if UNZ strips off my time marker):

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T1WjRG6ot5Y&t=24m46s

    Replies: @Jack D, @Prof. Woland

    A jeweler named Abraham Eliashow – that’s a funny “Russian” name and occupation.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D


    A jeweler named Abraham Eliashow – that’s a funny “Russian” name and occupation.
     
    Did German Jews, or Yiddish speaking Jews generally, get targeted in the anti-German pogrom? Or were they were considered non-German in 1917.

    Replies: @Jack D, @James O'Meara

  59. @Polistra
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    An old timer told me that during WWII people in NYC would kick wiener dogs on the street.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Eric Novak

    In Gunter Grass’ Local Anaesthetic the 1960s leftists threaten to immolate a doxie as a protest against the German state

  60. Amid the media/government hysteria about “violent supremacists,” the astonishing headline in our area’s liberal paper was Blacks Decry Double Standard — yes, they’re actually claiming that this summer’s mostly peaceful protesters were treated more roughly than the Jan. 6 interlopers

  61. @Clyde
    In England the British Royal Family scurried to change their last names. Hitler always had a soft spot for the British who carried so many Saxon genetics. Germany-England --Two fighting brothers in a way.

    "The British royal family changed their surname (last name) from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor in 1917." --- From internet

    Replies: @Abe, @Abe, @Jack D

    The links between British royalty and Germany were much more recent than the Anglo-Saxon invasion. The Saxe-Coburg-Gotha name belonged to Prince Albert, husband of Queen Victoria and so dated back only to the 19th century. Victoria herself was of German extraction dating back to George I. After Queen Anne of the House of Stuart died, the German prince George I (who also was the King of Hanover, a German state) was her closest living Protestant relative and became King. The Stuarts were Scottish not English so Elizabeth I was the last ruler of England who was actually English and the English have been ruled by foreigners for the last 400 years.

    It’s very common for the ruling class of a nation to be of a different nationality than the masses. Pre-unification Germany had tons of princely states and the princes were intermarried with other European royalty (who were only supposed to marry fellow royals). Whenever the local line failed in some European country, the next in line was usually one of these German princes.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
    • Thanks: Clyde
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    The Stuarts were Scottish not English so Elizabeth I was the last ruler of England who was actually English and the English have been ruled by foreigners for the last 400 years.
     
    The English are themselves Germanic. Your thesis fails.
    , @Flip
    @Jack D

    Elizabeth was a Tudor which was originally Welsh. And of course the English have also been ruled by French Normans, Saxons, and Danes.

    Nicholas II of Russia was mostly German and Danish and had almost no Russian ancestry.

    , @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    There's tons of stories like this, and not just in Europe. I've heard that one of the reasons the Japanese imperial family is so private about their various ancestral haunts is that it might reveal Korean origins.

    In the end, though, every king and queen England since 1066 could still trace their line back to Rollo, the original Viking warlord who set up shop in Normandy, in one way or another. And ironically enough, through all the branch shifts, every French royal could also trace their line to Odo of France, the man who turned him and his Viking compatriots back from Paris in 885-886 AD. The early Norman conquerors and Plantagenets didn't consider themselves English at all: England was only one of several holdings they had. French remained the dominant language at court, with English being considered a rude rustic dialect. It was only when they lost their continent possessions that this changed.

    >The Stuarts were Scottish not English so Elizabeth I was the last ruler of England who was actually English and the English have been ruled by foreigners for the last 400 years.

    If we're strictly talking about royalty, maybe... but Oliver Cromwell was English, and after the Stuarts were deposed, the monarchy didn't have real power anyhow.

    >How do Germans look? In thinking about the Nazi leadership (a very German bunch if you count Austrians as Germans) it’s hard to think of a single “look” – they just look like generic white people. There are some Germans who look like stereotype of the blond haired Aryan but it’s not like all (or even a large fraction) of Germans have that look.

    Germany's at the center of Europe, so you have a lot of genetic and linguistic cross-flow. French and Flemish influence in the West and Slavic in the former East: prior to the 1920s, many people in the borderlands spoke a sort of mix between German and Polish.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Thea

    , @peterike
    @Jack D


    It’s very common for the ruling class of a nation to be of a different nationality than the masses.

     

    It sure is, Jack. It sure is.
    , @Clyde
    @Jack D

    Thanks for your extended. Much better -literate than I can say.

    , @Rob McX
    @Jack D


    Whenever the local line failed in some European country, the next in line was usually one of these German princes.
     
    The Coburg dynasty seems to have been the most fecund in this respect. Bismarck referred to them as "the stud farm of Europe".
    , @Anon
    @Jack D

    @ It’s very common for the ruling class of a nation to be of a different nationality than the masses.

    Thus speaks the Jew? Common in Africa amongst cohabiting tribes, perhaps. Intermarriage between royal spouses (Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon) does not count.

    What you may have in the West is deracinated elites who betray their country and their countrymen for personal gain. And “the masses” recognize them for what they are.

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    The Tudors were Welsh. Richard III was the last English king of England.

  62. @NJ Transit Commuter
    My great great uncle told me about this. He was a school boy at the time. He recalled how all of the sudden one day the newspapers were full of anti German (both the country and ethnicity) propaganda and the teachers at his schools started teaching anti-German propaganda.

    He remembers being so confused because he couldn’t understand how the Germans could become such bad people overnight. (Children’s innocence can provide a refreshingly clear view!)

    This is something that has been scratched out of history to a frighteningly large degree, so I remember being surprised, listening to him describe this. And it scared me because as an American I wanted to believe that Americans are free thinkers and not so susceptible to government propaganda and coercion.

    I think this is good analogy to what is happening today Steve. The same irrational madness occurred back then, too. There is a church in Trenton, NJ that had the graves of the Hessian mercenaries that were killed in the battle of Trenton in December 1776. The 1917 SJWs dug up the remains and dumped them in the Delaware River. How long before we start seeing this happen at Confederate cemeteries?

    Replies: @Polistra, @Steve Sailer, @Elli, @Hannah Katz, @Hans, @John Up North, @R.G. Camara, @Hypnotoad666, @John Up North, @Anonymous, @Anon

    Rep. Hamilton Fish covers the media deluge in his fine book FDR: The Other Side of the Coin. Massive public resistance to entering WWI, but “WMD” levels of noise and repetition from the (((Eastern))) press. Benjamin Freedman, a very high-level insider, revealed the real reason for them Dough Boys joining the slaughter and fighting against “Crucified Canadians, bayoneted babies, corpse factories, and, of course, soap” in his 1961 speech which is essential material –

    Fish, like almost everyone else, would later be duped by Pearl Harbor into supporting the next war. Not sure he lived long enough to find out the truth about that piece of fraud.

    Upon his 1944 defeat, after 26 years in Congress, Fish stated, “I particularly wanted to be elected to serve as chairman of the rules committee to stop the march toward communism and totalitarianism in America. I have no regrets whatever, as I waged the strongest possible fight that I knew how.”

    There’s a good collection of material on FDR’s Pearl Harbor lie here – http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/pearl.html

    This is also an essential short book – https://barnesreview.org/product/a-short-history-of-the-balfour-declaration/

  63. @Buzz Mohawk
    We touched on this subject in the comment section recently. Now Steve's essay brings to mind a question: How would White Americans in general blend into the surrounding population the way German ones did?

    Americans don't really distinguish if you have German physical traits, because those characteristics are so much like others from Northwestern Europe. (Go to Europe, however, where friends or family might notice one's somewhat German appearance and even comment, nicely, on it.)

    German Americans looked like so many other Citizens, to Americans at least, but now, when the animosity is directed at all Whites, what happens?

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy, @Jack D, @Intelligent Dasein

    How do Germans look? In thinking about the Nazi leadership (a very German bunch if you count Austrians as Germans) it’s hard to think of a single “look” – they just look like generic white people. There are some Germans who look like stereotype of the blond haired Aryan but it’s not like all (or even a large fraction) of Germans have that look.

    • Agree: Redman, Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Redman
    @Jack D

    That reminds me of a story my Irish Catholic father-in-law once told me.

    He worked for an engineering company in Dublin when the IRS burned the UK Embassy in 1972. His office had a view of the Embassy, and he and his fellow engineers watched the chaos and crowds cheering its destruction. He mentioned that he was against the destruction even though he was Catholic. This admission of Catholicism shocked his fellow engineers who told him he looked Protestant.

    Says a lot about how the human mind works.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Johann Ricke

    , @Stan Adams
    @Jack D

    There are plenty of English people who could pass for German, and vice versa, but if you compare groups of people from different countries, you will see subtle but noticeable differences.

    To use your Nazi example, compare these clips from Hitler: The Last Ten Days (starring Alec Guinness as Hitler) and Downfall (starring Bruno Ganz):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvhoqbO_eVY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBWmkwaTQ0k

    , @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    How do Germans look? In thinking about the Nazi leadership (a very German bunch if you count Austrians as Germans) it’s hard to think of a single “look” – they just look like generic white people.

    They certainly have strong cheekbones in contrast to the British but I'm not sure how much of that is due to the Brits liking their fried foods.

    Brits and Scotts tend to be more stout and rounded. Germans are certainly more muscular. Could you tell the difference between a group of Swedes and Germans? Probably not. But I could easily tell the difference between a crowd of Brits and Germans.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Ancient Briton

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Jack D

    You make a good point, Jack, but I'm pretty sure if you went to Romania nobody there would say you were German-looking.

    And they should know; they have a German president.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/15/22/f2/1522f264d373d04edeec189caaa26a8c.jpg
    Klaus Iohannis, Transylvanian Saxon, with the Mrs.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @Bannon
    @Jack D

    In reply to Jack D: Germans look like "generic white people" to an American eye, because a HUGE portion of white Americans are of significant German descent. They also look that way because what registers as "generic white" is the more nordic white -- the Germanic states, the UK, and France. Those three branches are sort of genetically the same.

    Small side point: I am of heavily German descent and didn't even know it until I was about 40 and was tracing my roots. I think because of WWI, most German whites in America just stopped talking about it, even it to their own kids. (I can't speak with authority -- my descent was not from 19th century immigrants, but rather pre-Revolution.)

    Replies: @deep anonymous

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D


    they just look like generic white people.
     
    To me, Germans look American. Beefy and white, but not especially Nordic looking. Germany is like Ohio on the Rhine until you realize they aren't speaking English.

    On the other hand, there is just something "Euro" looking about Scandinavians and Dutch. It's hard to describe, but it's there.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @S. Anonyia, @David

    , @David In TN
    @Jack D

    One day some years ago, I stopped for lunch at a restaurant on the Alabama-Tennessee state line. A group of people were at a nearby table. I realized they were speaking German to each other, obviously German tourists.

    They were dressed and looked just like generic Alabamans or Tennesseans.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Thirdtwin

  64. @Jack D
    @Clyde

    The links between British royalty and Germany were much more recent than the Anglo-Saxon invasion. The Saxe-Coburg-Gotha name belonged to Prince Albert, husband of Queen Victoria and so dated back only to the 19th century. Victoria herself was of German extraction dating back to George I. After Queen Anne of the House of Stuart died, the German prince George I (who also was the King of Hanover, a German state) was her closest living Protestant relative and became King. The Stuarts were Scottish not English so Elizabeth I was the last ruler of England who was actually English and the English have been ruled by foreigners for the last 400 years.

    It's very common for the ruling class of a nation to be of a different nationality than the masses. Pre-unification Germany had tons of princely states and the princes were intermarried with other European royalty (who were only supposed to marry fellow royals). Whenever the local line failed in some European country, the next in line was usually one of these German princes.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Flip, @nebulafox, @peterike, @Clyde, @Rob McX, @Anon, @Anonymous

    The Stuarts were Scottish not English so Elizabeth I was the last ruler of England who was actually English and the English have been ruled by foreigners for the last 400 years.

    The English are themselves Germanic. Your thesis fails.

  65. @Steve Sailer
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    They mayor of Madison demanded that a modest memorial in a Madison to Confederate POWs who died in a Union Army POW camp be taken down.

    Replies: @Walsh2, @Arclight, @Jack Armstrong, @Reg Cæsar, @JohnnyWalker123

    Same in Indianapolis – same kind of monument, located in a park in a predominantly working class white area, removed in summer of 2020.

  66. @Jack D
    @Clyde

    The links between British royalty and Germany were much more recent than the Anglo-Saxon invasion. The Saxe-Coburg-Gotha name belonged to Prince Albert, husband of Queen Victoria and so dated back only to the 19th century. Victoria herself was of German extraction dating back to George I. After Queen Anne of the House of Stuart died, the German prince George I (who also was the King of Hanover, a German state) was her closest living Protestant relative and became King. The Stuarts were Scottish not English so Elizabeth I was the last ruler of England who was actually English and the English have been ruled by foreigners for the last 400 years.

    It's very common for the ruling class of a nation to be of a different nationality than the masses. Pre-unification Germany had tons of princely states and the princes were intermarried with other European royalty (who were only supposed to marry fellow royals). Whenever the local line failed in some European country, the next in line was usually one of these German princes.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Flip, @nebulafox, @peterike, @Clyde, @Rob McX, @Anon, @Anonymous

    Elizabeth was a Tudor which was originally Welsh. And of course the English have also been ruled by French Normans, Saxons, and Danes.

    Nicholas II of Russia was mostly German and Danish and had almost no Russian ancestry.

  67. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jon Halpenny

    The situation does seem more like that of Russia in 1917, or 1920's Germany, than America a hundred years ago, Mr. Halpenny. History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes (is the expression, I think).

    The useful idiots are out in the streets again, railing against and destroying what's left of the culture. Again they have this idea to create a utopia using big government to redistribute the wealth. Again they want full government control of society. They don't quote Marx, as they don't read as well as the folks did a century ago, and they talk about race and gender instead of class.

    Instead of a short-term violent revolution, the left has spend a half century infiltrating the institutions and has become the Establishment. They have Government, Media, Higher Education, Lower Education, and even Big Biz now. They still haven't been able to completely take over society, though, because they took on a large, conservative, well-armed population. The big push to finish it all is happening right now though.

    Nope, it doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.

    Replies: @JMcG

    We are Spain in 1935 or 36. The Catholic Church in this country is already a wreck though, and the priests and nuns are more likely to be among the executioners than the executed.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @JMcG

    You know what, Mr. McG, I had agreed with another commenter a while back on that very thought, that the Civil War possibly coming here seems to have sides split along similar lines as Spain in that era. I also doubt very much, especially with that Commie so-called Pope they got running the show now, that the Catholic Church would be on our side. Actual religious people might, though.

    Thanks for the reminder of that thought. I've been meaning to get a book about the Spanish Civil War. I don't recall a single thing about it from high school history.

    Replies: @anon, @JMcG

  68. @Elli
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    There were German speaking public schools, German speaking churches in the Midwest. Diplomas and marriage certificates in German.

    My Minnesotan-born grandmother spoke German at home. When the anti-German campaign started, classmates threw rocks at the German children. Her uncle, the head of the family, decreed that the family would speak only English thereafter.

    Replies: @Another Canadian, @Ganderson, @Redman, @Reg Cæsar

    Most people associate Minnesota and Scandinavians; and while there are more people ( at least historically; there have been some …err.. demographic changes in the last 30 years) descended from Norskies, Swedes and Danes, and even some Icelanders, there are more Germans than any Scandinavian nationality. My grade school in St. Paul used to have an Irish vs German hoops game every St. Patrick’s Day.

    Most high schools in MN, at least when I was a nipper, taught German. I took 4 years of it.
    Sorry Lagertha, I left out the Finlanders- no shortage of them, especially “up north”.

  69. @Abe
    @Clyde


    In England the British Royal Family scurried to change their last names.
     
    I was reading Churchill’s history of WWI and he kept referring to a certain “Prince Louis” without ever actually bothering to establish who this personage was. Well, Wikipedia to the rescue!- apparently the No. 2 at the Royal Navy (an institution back then probably more important than Parliament or even the monarchy) was a plucky German immigrant who had enlisted as a 14-year old cadet and worked his way up on the basis of nothing but pluck and- oh yeah- princely title. As a result of the same WWI anti-German feeling he changed the family name to Mountbatten, and his son became a sort of “mentor” (in reality I’m guessing pander) to Prince Charles.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Art Deco, @Herzog

    The IRA blew up Mountbatten off the coast of County Sligo, along with the usual assortment of women and children, in ‘79.

  70. @Jack D
    @Clyde

    The links between British royalty and Germany were much more recent than the Anglo-Saxon invasion. The Saxe-Coburg-Gotha name belonged to Prince Albert, husband of Queen Victoria and so dated back only to the 19th century. Victoria herself was of German extraction dating back to George I. After Queen Anne of the House of Stuart died, the German prince George I (who also was the King of Hanover, a German state) was her closest living Protestant relative and became King. The Stuarts were Scottish not English so Elizabeth I was the last ruler of England who was actually English and the English have been ruled by foreigners for the last 400 years.

    It's very common for the ruling class of a nation to be of a different nationality than the masses. Pre-unification Germany had tons of princely states and the princes were intermarried with other European royalty (who were only supposed to marry fellow royals). Whenever the local line failed in some European country, the next in line was usually one of these German princes.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Flip, @nebulafox, @peterike, @Clyde, @Rob McX, @Anon, @Anonymous

    There’s tons of stories like this, and not just in Europe. I’ve heard that one of the reasons the Japanese imperial family is so private about their various ancestral haunts is that it might reveal Korean origins.

    In the end, though, every king and queen England since 1066 could still trace their line back to Rollo, the original Viking warlord who set up shop in Normandy, in one way or another. And ironically enough, through all the branch shifts, every French royal could also trace their line to Odo of France, the man who turned him and his Viking compatriots back from Paris in 885-886 AD. The early Norman conquerors and Plantagenets didn’t consider themselves English at all: England was only one of several holdings they had. French remained the dominant language at court, with English being considered a rude rustic dialect. It was only when they lost their continent possessions that this changed.

    >The Stuarts were Scottish not English so Elizabeth I was the last ruler of England who was actually English and the English have been ruled by foreigners for the last 400 years.

    If we’re strictly talking about royalty, maybe… but Oliver Cromwell was English, and after the Stuarts were deposed, the monarchy didn’t have real power anyhow.

    >How do Germans look? In thinking about the Nazi leadership (a very German bunch if you count Austrians as Germans) it’s hard to think of a single “look” – they just look like generic white people. There are some Germans who look like stereotype of the blond haired Aryan but it’s not like all (or even a large fraction) of Germans have that look.

    Germany’s at the center of Europe, so you have a lot of genetic and linguistic cross-flow. French and Flemish influence in the West and Slavic in the former East: prior to the 1920s, many people in the borderlands spoke a sort of mix between German and Polish.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @nebulafox

    Fortuately DNA evidence has revealed that Japan's imperial family is homegrown -- and of Jomon or even Ainu origin. All Japanese emperor descendants carry the indigenous Jomon haplogroup D1a2.

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public/SamuraiDNA?iframe=yresults

    , @Thea
    @nebulafox

    Someone once described modern English as the result of Norman soldiers trying to pick up Anglo-Saxon tavern wenches.

    It doesn’t get more refined and elegant than that!

  71. @Achmed E. Newman
    That was another enjoyable Taki column with an interesting theme and some small pieces of history I hadn't known about. The Wilsonian policies and the mass propagandizing by the press remind me of the War on Terra 80 years later, especially this spreading democracy business.

    As much as I see the German immigrants as having been a big benefit* to America over the years, one lesson to be gotten out of the column is IMMIGRATION MORATORIUMS WORK!. Were it the early 1990s still, when Peter Brimelow wrote a book about it, we could easily handle our problem with one. Now, with an even bigger percentage of foreign-born people, from lands much more foreign, it's too late for this. Americans, being the tolerant people they are, have let it go way too far.

    .

    * An exception, just as with almost any modern-day immigrants from W. Europe, is that they tend Socialist.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Redman

    Culturally confident countries are better equipped to assimilate immigrants. That’s not us today.

    And I’d argue that Germans, Slavs, Scandies, Italians, etc, heck, even Jews are easier to assimilate than Africans, Subcontinentals, and Chinese.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  72. @Jon Halpenny
    Or is America reliving the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917?

    https://twitter.com/V8POW/status/1351662595053387776

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @nebulafox, @Alt Right Moderate

    Schumer and his type of Democrat are a dying breed. My sympathy for them is limited because it is emotional nonsense based off a deeply outdated vision of Israel as a “Western” country, but there’s nothing to suggest that it isn’t anything more significant than genuine affection. The wokesters are much more likely to deem Israel a neo-South Africa. Cooler heads than that will probably prevail, but I strongly suspect anti-Israeli sentiment will start manifesting in the future Democratic Party.

    One thing we really do have in common with the latter USSR is the age of our political class: ours is actually older, on average! At a time when your country needs drastic, wide-sweeping structural reforms, this is really unhelpful. And the Russians had the excuse of having 20 million+ men wiped out by WWII, with the resulting demographic punch. We just have a corrupt, overweening elite determined to loot as much as they can before they die, remaining in power via inertia.

    • Agree: Redman
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @nebulafox


    The wokesters are much more likely to deem Israel a neo-South Africa. Cooler heads than that will probably prevail, but I strongly suspect anti-Israeli sentiment will start manifesting in the future Democratic Party.
     
    Have you seen Biden's cabinet?
    , @Peter D. Bredon
    @nebulafox

    " And the Russians had the excuse of having 20 million+ men wiped out by WWII, with the resulting demographic punch."

    Flooding the country with 10s of millions of nonwhite immigrant has the same net effect.

  73. Ferris Bueller is the only example of a post-WW2 movie that celebrates German heritage in America rather unironically. I guess we have John Hughes to thank for that:

  74. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1351297926769872899

    https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1351198931154333702

    Replies: @El Dato, @Mr. Anon, @Buffalo Joe

    The whole 911 commission thing is a talking point – they’ve all been saying it the last few days: Hillary, Pelosi, Comey, AOC, Swallwell, etc.

    How about a 911 commision to investigate 911. A real investigation, that is. That would be fun.

    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
    @Mr. Anon

    If (IF) Trump really were in league with Putin, a "9/11" type commission is just what he'd want; sort of like a Warren Commission. What they really mean is "not a 9/11" commission, i.e. an honest and thorough investigation, but they can't really say that.

  75. @Jack D
    @Abe

    A jeweler named Abraham Eliashow - that's a funny "Russian" name and occupation.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    A jeweler named Abraham Eliashow – that’s a funny “Russian” name and occupation.

    Did German Jews, or Yiddish speaking Jews generally, get targeted in the anti-German pogrom? Or were they were considered non-German in 1917.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    As the "We're Russians" sign indicates, despite the lack of love between Ashkenazi Jews and the Russian Czar, they didn't identify with Germany either.

    Yiddish was a Germanic language (written in the Hebrew alphabet) but the link between the Ashkenazi Jews and Germany had been broken centuries before, long before the unification of Germany and there were no fond memories or memories at all.

    And Americans and Brits also identified Ostjuden as being from Russia and "the East" and not as Germans.

    The German Jews were a different matter and generally speaking German speaking Jews in America did not favor America declaring war on Germany.

    , @James O'Meara
    @Hypnotoad666

    "Dear Fellow AngloSaxons..."

  76. Polynikes beat me to the punch on the history of German-language American newspapers. Wiki says 1,000 in 1890, but it doesn’t specify that was the peak. I’ve often thought about how the episode Steve writes about helped reduce cultural fragmentation in this country, though the means were ugly and the sedition laws a crime against the Republic that haven’t since been equaled until whatever happens to us now.

    Two random fun facts from Wiki: Ben Franklin is cited as publisher of the first one, in 1732 (!) and failing after a year. More successful was the Illinois Staats-Zeitung, which had its own handsome building in Chicago and survived until 1922. Wiki: “[It was] described as “the leading Republican paper of the Northwest”, alongside the Chicago Tribune. By 1876, the paper was printing 14,000 copies an hour and was second only to the Tribune in citywide circulation.

  77. OT: I suppose Biden, like Clinton before him, wanted a cabinet that “looks like America”. Apparently, America looks like Tel Aviv or the Upper West Side. Most of the top jobs in the cabinet save SecDef: State, Treasury, Homeland Security (excuse me “Homeland Security”), plus many others besides: DNI, assistant secretaries, White House chief of staff. Of course, only bad people would notice such a thing. Here is a report of it in the Völkisher Beobachter:

    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/MAGAZINE-enough-for-a-minyan-a-jewish-who-s-who-of-biden-s-cabinet-to-be-1.9464584

    • Thanks: Charon
    • Replies: @James O'Meara
    @Mr. Anon

    It's like that famous New Yorker cover. The view from a Manhattan penthouse is only the Upper West Side and Israel.

    , @Grahamsno(G64)
    @Mr. Anon


    Apparently, America looks like Tel Aviv or the Upper West Side
     
    The second echelon looks like Mumbai.

    https://www.businessinsider.in/thelife/personalities/news/meet-the-20-indian-americans-nominated-in-biden-harris-cabinet/slidelist/80348318.cms

    20 of them!
  78. @Redneck farmer
    I seem to recall a few references to the renaming of items during WW1 during 2003. How it was stupid, and we shouldn't do it again (Freedom Fries).
    A lot of these were by people explaining we shouldn't blame Islam for 9/11. However, we could blame most Germans for the Holocaust.

    Replies: @Abe, @Alfa158

    A nearby school district named one of the high schools after the descendant of German immigrants who organized and headed the local school district in the early 20th century. At the outbreak of WW2 they removed his first name, Adolph, from the school. There is one place on the exterior where his first name is still present because it was carved into a large limestone doorway the district didn’t want to pay to replace.
    The carving probably only survives today’s great purge because the present student body consists overwhelmingly of kids from recent immigrant families who aren’t bothered by it.

  79. @nebulafox
    @Jon Halpenny

    Schumer and his type of Democrat are a dying breed. My sympathy for them is limited because it is emotional nonsense based off a deeply outdated vision of Israel as a "Western" country, but there's nothing to suggest that it isn't anything more significant than genuine affection. The wokesters are much more likely to deem Israel a neo-South Africa. Cooler heads than that will probably prevail, but I strongly suspect anti-Israeli sentiment will start manifesting in the future Democratic Party.

    One thing we really do have in common with the latter USSR is the age of our political class: ours is actually older, on average! At a time when your country needs drastic, wide-sweeping structural reforms, this is really unhelpful. And the Russians had the excuse of having 20 million+ men wiped out by WWII, with the resulting demographic punch. We just have a corrupt, overweening elite determined to loot as much as they can before they die, remaining in power via inertia.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Peter D. Bredon

    The wokesters are much more likely to deem Israel a neo-South Africa. Cooler heads than that will probably prevail, but I strongly suspect anti-Israeli sentiment will start manifesting in the future Democratic Party.

    Have you seen Biden’s cabinet?

  80. Not entirely OT:

    Joe Biden’s fundamental challenge is to root out the domestic insurgency

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/joe-bidens-fundamental-challenge-is-to-root-out-the-domestic-insurgency/2021/01/19/0001d370-5a96-11eb-8bcf-3877871c819d_story.html

    Take a page from Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy’s war against the Ku Klux Klan in the South and the Mafia in big cities. These threats need to be “ripped out” with a dragnet that’s well targeted but uses every tool in the legal arsenal.

    Comments have been turned off.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @PiltdownMan

    Judging from online responses, almost nobody outside the punditocracy seems to think Patriot Act 2.0 is a good idea, regardless of ideological predisposition. Yet the government as well as our cultural and economic elites are not just embracing it openly, but enthusiastically: in the name of "protecting democracy". That doesn't bode well.

    >But Biden will make his inaugural address from inside an armed camp, ringed by what a senior security official says will be 26,000 National Guard and up to 15,000 police, FBI and federal law enforcement officers.

    Who were disarmed. Strange thing to do in the face of a supposed insurgency. What was the point of that, exactly?

    >Biden’s fundamental challenge — even as he issues executive orders on immigration, climate change, the pandemic and a host of other domestic problems — is to root out the insurgency.

    Treating half the country as prone to insurgency on a good day out the gate is a sure recipe for creating a real one.

    >Take a page from Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy’s war against the Ku Klux Klan in the South and the Mafia in big cities.

    However inconvenient this is to 1960s mythology, it was was J. Edgar Hoover and his merry men who truly broke the KKK, using means of dubious legality to do so, of course. By the 1970s, every chapter across the South was so swiss-cheesed with federal agents that you could safely assume the FBI knew when the wizard sneezed.

    (Hoover's own views on black people could be charitably described as unenlightened, but they were also in no way atypical or out of the ordinary for Southern whites of his generation. My own prosaic impression is that Hoover just really, really didn't like "disorder", wherever it came from: and what was the KKK if not subversive? By contrast, he saw the Mafia as conducive to preserving it in major urban areas, hence he pretended they didn't exist for a long time. An additional factor behind Operation WHITE HATE was that LBJ was one of the few Presidents Hoover liked and respected on a personal level, with him often babysitting Johnson's daughters in the 1950s. By contrast, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Nixon all considered firing Hoover at one point or another: and all of them chickened out. The implications need not be stated.)

    >But even as the Biden administration attacks the most seditious members of the insurrection, it should consider a tactic that’s quite radical in the current political climate — listening to the other side.

    What would be the point? Our bipartisan elites have made it very clear that they see nothing wrong with America other than the discontents themselves. At any rate, I see no indication that Biden is any more ready to address the deep structural problems that face the United States than his predecessors, especially at his age, so...

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @Redman
    @PiltdownMan

    This article by David Ignatius is scary shit.


    Biden’s fundamental challenge — even as he issues executive orders on immigration, climate change, the pandemic and a host of other domestic problems — is to root out the insurgency. A priority is to assess how deep it has spread within the military and law enforcement. Senior military officials tell me they have already identified 30 individuals among active-duty personnel, National Guard forces and veterans who might have been active in the Jan. 6 storming of the Capitol.
     
    This sounds a lot like an ideological purge among the military forces (i.e. anyone allowed to be armed). Mr. CIA Ignatius is telling us, "No more of this populist crap. Big Brother and the Party are not letting that happen ever again."
    , @Known Fact
    @PiltdownMan

    The establishment fawning today is unbearable. My favorite comment from elsewhere:

    MEDIA: Trump's a dictator!
    (15 minutes later ...)
    MEDIA: Yay Biden! Look at all the tanks and fences!

  81. @photondancer
    How did the Postmaster General determine which mails couldn't be sent? were postal staff actually opening envelopes and parcels?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Dacian Julien Soros, @Aardvark

    Opening letters in the Home of the Free, for more than a century? That can’t be! That would so Stalinist, or Marxist, or whatever other pejoratives you boomers use when referring to American life these days. It must be Chinese propaganda playing with your mind.

  82. Chicago was once a heavily German city. German was the language management utilized in the steel mills. Like you said that all changed with The Great War.

    Even in the past few decades a lot of German bars and restaurants have closed on Chicago’s Northside; I’m thinking of Zum Deutschen Eck, The Brauhaus, Mirabelles. I believe there is only one German restaurant left in the Lincoln Square neighborhood, Himmels. Many chefs and owners passed away or retired.

    Lincoln Square used to host a Mayfair and an Octoberfest, but not this year because of Covid-19 hysteria. In the past few years the crowds were thinning out at the aforementioned events.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @John Up North

    The Berghoff downtown survives as a pale shadow of its former self, or did prior to COVID, anyway.

    Replies: @John Up North

  83. @Steve Sailer
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    They mayor of Madison demanded that a modest memorial in a Madison to Confederate POWs who died in a Union Army POW camp be taken down.

    Replies: @Walsh2, @Arclight, @Jack Armstrong, @Reg Cæsar, @JohnnyWalker123

    There’s a memorial to a dozen German POWs killed in an accident in October 1945 in Battle Creek, Michigan. To make it double plus bad it’s in the Fort Custer military cemetery.

  84. @Elli
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    There were German speaking public schools, German speaking churches in the Midwest. Diplomas and marriage certificates in German.

    My Minnesotan-born grandmother spoke German at home. When the anti-German campaign started, classmates threw rocks at the German children. Her uncle, the head of the family, decreed that the family would speak only English thereafter.

    Replies: @Another Canadian, @Ganderson, @Redman, @Reg Cæsar

    I read somewhere that Ron Paul’s parents spoke German at home when he was growing up in Pennsylvania. As did Trump’s father Fred growing up in New York.

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
    @Redman

    "As did Trump’s father Fred growing up in New York."

    Are you sure you don't mean Yiddish?

    , @Jack D
    @Redman

    It's extremely common for immigrants to speak their native language at home to their spouses and children. It would have be unusual if Fred's parents HADN'T spoken to German to each other and to their children. Elizabeth Trump arrived in the US at age 21, probably not knowing a word of English. I'd bet that she always spoke English poorly and with a heavy German accent and it would have been much more comfortable and natural for the family to communicate with each other at home in German.

    Replies: @Peterike

  85. • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
    @fnn

    "Proof" i.e. "logic" is a White Male invention designed to marginalize women and people of color, so checkmate!

  86. The whole thing was organized by the Brits and their fifth column in Washington. This is why I wonder what people are smoking when they say things were so much better when the WASPs ran the show. Things weren’t better. Actually your chances of dying a violent fiery death in Europe were much higher when our beloved WASPs held the reigns of power. The smart Americans in 1917 fled to Mexico and ended up in a B. Traven novel.

    The German-Americans were good sports about it all. They were shoved into camps but made the best of it. Compare and contrast to today’s Baltimore.

  87. @Abe
    @Clyde


    In England the British Royal Family scurried to change their last names.
     
    I was reading Churchill’s history of WWI and he kept referring to a certain “Prince Louis” without ever actually bothering to establish who this personage was. Well, Wikipedia to the rescue!- apparently the No. 2 at the Royal Navy (an institution back then probably more important than Parliament or even the monarchy) was a plucky German immigrant who had enlisted as a 14-year old cadet and worked his way up on the basis of nothing but pluck and- oh yeah- princely title. As a result of the same WWI anti-German feeling he changed the family name to Mountbatten, and his son became a sort of “mentor” (in reality I’m guessing pander) to Prince Charles.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Art Deco, @Herzog

    and his son became a sort of “mentor” (in reality I’m guessing pander) to Prince Charles.

    His son was Prince Charles’ great-uncle, not some random ‘mentor’. His ‘pandering’ consisted of suggesting Charles consider his granddaughter as possible marriage material. (The grand-daughter married someone else).

    • Replies: @Abe
    @Art Deco


    His ‘pandering’ consisted of suggesting Charles consider his granddaughter as possible marriage material. (The grand-daughter married someone else).
     
    According to Wikipedia he also encouraged Charles to sow his royal oats first. And that is only what is publicly known. It is established fact Prince Andrew hung out with Jeffrey Epstein who was liquidated in plane sight of the world for what he knew (and only God knows if he was what he seemed or simply a concocted hate-object to avert our eyes wide shut from the REAL sex traffickers) Trump’s master class in media reality manipulation is over... for now (passed by a spontaneous Trump 2024 rally on a recent errand, however, and I would probably vote from hell’s heart for Ivanka at this point). Let’s not forget all he taught us, though- at this point there is no crime I would believe our elites incapable of nor any length their media lackeys would not go to to cover up said crimes. Believing that British aristocrats have a large, and largely willing, stable of [email protected] they might trade amongst themselves hardly seems like a stretch.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  88. I know it was technically, socially,culturally, … impossible, but the best scenario would have been: all (or at least a clear majority) of Germans in USA leaving the country half-empty & going back to Germany & Austria.

    And giving the big middle finger to the eternal Anglo & his spawn.

  89. My grandmother spoke to me about the effects of this, as she came from a German community and spoke German as a child. The anti-German campaign prompted people to change their last names (especially dropping any lingering von’s), and stop speaking German or teaching it to their children.

  90. the vast contributions of Germans to American culture have been vanishingly hard to notice

    Nah, this is just “inverse-Aryanism” phenom (I just made that up)–contributions of pale, blond WASPs, Germans, Scandinavians, etc have been hard to notice for 50 years. It’s not the war, it’s… you know.

  91. @Achmed E. Newman
    That was another enjoyable Taki column with an interesting theme and some small pieces of history I hadn't known about. The Wilsonian policies and the mass propagandizing by the press remind me of the War on Terra 80 years later, especially this spreading democracy business.

    As much as I see the German immigrants as having been a big benefit* to America over the years, one lesson to be gotten out of the column is IMMIGRATION MORATORIUMS WORK!. Were it the early 1990s still, when Peter Brimelow wrote a book about it, we could easily handle our problem with one. Now, with an even bigger percentage of foreign-born people, from lands much more foreign, it's too late for this. Americans, being the tolerant people they are, have let it go way too far.

    .

    * An exception, just as with almost any modern-day immigrants from W. Europe, is that they tend Socialist.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Redman

    Agree. This was one of Steve’s better and more informative Taki pieces.

    The 1924 immigration act probably wouldn’t be possible today for another reason. To wit, the Civil Rights Act and movement, and the modern day religion of “equality” it created. The 1924 Act was based on ethnic/national quotas, which today would be considered obscene by the woke mob.

    We’re now seeing the third act of our overlords’ plan to “invade the world, invite the world” in real time.

  92. @Dan Hayes
    The deGermanization of all things that took (and is still taking) place in America is mild compared to what has been and is still taking place in Germany!

    Replies: @Malla, @Herzog, @Stan d Mute

    The deGermanization of all things that took (and is still taking) place in America is mild compared to what has been and is still taking place in Germany!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQOFuNij7nk
    Dr. Ludwig’s channel will partly help us fight this Satanic de-germanification.
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSCTl_YRo_oHFI27qwV0y0w

  93. @Jack D
    @Clyde

    The links between British royalty and Germany were much more recent than the Anglo-Saxon invasion. The Saxe-Coburg-Gotha name belonged to Prince Albert, husband of Queen Victoria and so dated back only to the 19th century. Victoria herself was of German extraction dating back to George I. After Queen Anne of the House of Stuart died, the German prince George I (who also was the King of Hanover, a German state) was her closest living Protestant relative and became King. The Stuarts were Scottish not English so Elizabeth I was the last ruler of England who was actually English and the English have been ruled by foreigners for the last 400 years.

    It's very common for the ruling class of a nation to be of a different nationality than the masses. Pre-unification Germany had tons of princely states and the princes were intermarried with other European royalty (who were only supposed to marry fellow royals). Whenever the local line failed in some European country, the next in line was usually one of these German princes.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Flip, @nebulafox, @peterike, @Clyde, @Rob McX, @Anon, @Anonymous

    It’s very common for the ruling class of a nation to be of a different nationality than the masses.

    It sure is, Jack. It sure is.

    • LOL: rebel yell, JMcG, Rob
  94. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    How do Germans look? In thinking about the Nazi leadership (a very German bunch if you count Austrians as Germans) it's hard to think of a single "look" - they just look like generic white people. There are some Germans who look like stereotype of the blond haired Aryan but it's not like all (or even a large fraction) of Germans have that look.

    Replies: @Redman, @Stan Adams, @John Johnson, @Buzz Mohawk, @Bannon, @Hypnotoad666, @David In TN

    That reminds me of a story my Irish Catholic father-in-law once told me.

    He worked for an engineering company in Dublin when the IRS burned the UK Embassy in 1972. His office had a view of the Embassy, and he and his fellow engineers watched the chaos and crowds cheering its destruction. He mentioned that he was against the destruction even though he was Catholic. This admission of Catholicism shocked his fellow engineers who told him he looked Protestant.

    Says a lot about how the human mind works.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Redman

    "...when the IRS burned the UK Embassy..."

    I imagine the State Department had something to say about that.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Redman


    This admission of Catholicism shocked his fellow engineers who told him he looked Protestant.

    Says a lot about how the human mind works.
     
    My guess is that many of the Protestants are descended from Scotsmen, who are in turn descended from Vikings and Saxons, in addition to the original Celts resident in Scotland. Whereas most of the Catholics are likely descended from the original Celtic residents of Ireland. So there would have been visible differences not obvious to the American eye.

    Replies: @pirelli

  95. My aunt used to tell of how the Norwegian farm boys would go into the small town of Cashton, Wisconsin on Saturday nights to fight the German boys. I assume the fighting was from about the time of Steve’s Teutonic Terrorist Panic. She probably heard about it listening to her parents or from the heroic boys talking about it after church on Sunday. The parents from both sides put a stop to the fighting when her cousin got his eye poked out. In general, the German farm boys lived northeast of Cashton and the Norwegians to the southwest.

  96. Another person who was touched by the anti-Germanism of the late teens was Lou Gehrig. As I recall from his biography, he was very keen to try to distance himself as a boy from his culture (his parents were both German speakers) and picked on–though with his physical gifts, I imagine he was able to return in kind.

  97. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    How do Germans look? In thinking about the Nazi leadership (a very German bunch if you count Austrians as Germans) it's hard to think of a single "look" - they just look like generic white people. There are some Germans who look like stereotype of the blond haired Aryan but it's not like all (or even a large fraction) of Germans have that look.

    Replies: @Redman, @Stan Adams, @John Johnson, @Buzz Mohawk, @Bannon, @Hypnotoad666, @David In TN

    There are plenty of English people who could pass for German, and vice versa, but if you compare groups of people from different countries, you will see subtle but noticeable differences.

    To use your Nazi example, compare these clips from Hitler: The Last Ten Days (starring Alec Guinness as Hitler) and Downfall (starring Bruno Ganz):

  98. @Art Deco
    @Abe

    and his son became a sort of “mentor” (in reality I’m guessing pander) to Prince Charles.

    His son was Prince Charles' great-uncle, not some random 'mentor'. His 'pandering' consisted of suggesting Charles consider his granddaughter as possible marriage material. (The grand-daughter married someone else).

    Replies: @Abe

    His ‘pandering’ consisted of suggesting Charles consider his granddaughter as possible marriage material. (The grand-daughter married someone else).

    According to Wikipedia he also encouraged Charles to sow his royal oats first. And that is only what is publicly known. It is established fact Prince Andrew hung out with Jeffrey Epstein who was liquidated in plane sight of the world for what he knew (and only God knows if he was what he seemed or simply a concocted hate-object to avert our eyes wide shut from the REAL sex traffickers) Trump’s master class in media reality manipulation is over… for now (passed by a spontaneous Trump 2024 rally on a recent errand, however, and I would probably vote from hell’s heart for Ivanka at this point). Let’s not forget all he taught us, though- at this point there is no crime I would believe our elites incapable of nor any length their media lackeys would not go to to cover up said crimes. Believing that British aristocrats have a large, and largely willing, stable of [email protected] they might trade amongst themselves hardly seems like a stretch.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Abe


    Jeffrey Epstein who was liquidated in plane sight
     
    Typo, or pun?


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/08/20/32931994-0-image-a-38_1599593024407.jpg
  99. anon[253] • Disclaimer says:

    Part of the war effort in 1917 included the “Four Minute Men”, who could go into just about anyplace and give a 4 minute long speech. Movie theaters, factories, schools – anywhere. Similar techniques were used in Russia at that time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Minute_Men

    Wilson set up the first propaganda office in the US government. Obviously not the last.

    Because we don’t need 4 Minute Men when we have Netflix, HBO, YouTube, Prime, etc. The Narrative surrounds us.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @anon


    Wilson set up the first propaganda office in the US government. Obviously not the last.

    Because we don’t need 4 Minute Men when we have Netflix, HBO, YouTube, Prime, etc. The Narrative surrounds us.
     
    The best propaganda (possibly the only effective kind nowadays) is that which is not recognised as such. It must be disguised as information, entertainment, product advertising, etc.
  100. @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    There's tons of stories like this, and not just in Europe. I've heard that one of the reasons the Japanese imperial family is so private about their various ancestral haunts is that it might reveal Korean origins.

    In the end, though, every king and queen England since 1066 could still trace their line back to Rollo, the original Viking warlord who set up shop in Normandy, in one way or another. And ironically enough, through all the branch shifts, every French royal could also trace their line to Odo of France, the man who turned him and his Viking compatriots back from Paris in 885-886 AD. The early Norman conquerors and Plantagenets didn't consider themselves English at all: England was only one of several holdings they had. French remained the dominant language at court, with English being considered a rude rustic dialect. It was only when they lost their continent possessions that this changed.

    >The Stuarts were Scottish not English so Elizabeth I was the last ruler of England who was actually English and the English have been ruled by foreigners for the last 400 years.

    If we're strictly talking about royalty, maybe... but Oliver Cromwell was English, and after the Stuarts were deposed, the monarchy didn't have real power anyhow.

    >How do Germans look? In thinking about the Nazi leadership (a very German bunch if you count Austrians as Germans) it’s hard to think of a single “look” – they just look like generic white people. There are some Germans who look like stereotype of the blond haired Aryan but it’s not like all (or even a large fraction) of Germans have that look.

    Germany's at the center of Europe, so you have a lot of genetic and linguistic cross-flow. French and Flemish influence in the West and Slavic in the former East: prior to the 1920s, many people in the borderlands spoke a sort of mix between German and Polish.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Thea

    Fortuately DNA evidence has revealed that Japan’s imperial family is homegrown — and of Jomon or even Ainu origin. All Japanese emperor descendants carry the indigenous Jomon haplogroup D1a2.

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public/SamuraiDNA?iframe=yresults

  101. Poor bloody Germans.

    They invented everything from Romanticism to modern philosophy to automobobbles to modern physics. But we are all carefully taught to think of them as Literally Nazis.

    They even invented the “unconscious.”

    • Replies: @Deckin
    @Christopher Chantrill

    'Modern' philosophy is usually marked as having started with Descartes, FYI. Right around the time Galileo brought forth 'modern' science.

    , @Anon
    @Christopher Chantrill

    Germany, a glorious nation shouldn't have fallen so badly for him with disastrous consequences, he killed the German Renaissance an astonishing thing, lets remember folks like this Wittgenstein, Kafka, Freud etc, He killed it Quantum Mechanics, Relativity, Modern Mathematics were born there. Classical Music and the first attempt to master Infinity in mathematics and glorious philosophy.

    The killer of this greatest creative outburst second or only to the Greeks is you know who, "say his name"

    Replies: @Jack D

  102. @PiltdownMan
    Not entirely OT:


    Joe Biden’s fundamental challenge is to root out the domestic insurgency


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/joe-bidens-fundamental-challenge-is-to-root-out-the-domestic-insurgency/2021/01/19/0001d370-5a96-11eb-8bcf-3877871c819d_story.html


    Take a page from Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy’s war against the Ku Klux Klan in the South and the Mafia in big cities. These threats need to be “ripped out” with a dragnet that’s well targeted but uses every tool in the legal arsenal.
     

     
    Comments have been turned off.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Redman, @Known Fact

    Judging from online responses, almost nobody outside the punditocracy seems to think Patriot Act 2.0 is a good idea, regardless of ideological predisposition. Yet the government as well as our cultural and economic elites are not just embracing it openly, but enthusiastically: in the name of “protecting democracy”. That doesn’t bode well.

    >But Biden will make his inaugural address from inside an armed camp, ringed by what a senior security official says will be 26,000 National Guard and up to 15,000 police, FBI and federal law enforcement officers.

    Who were disarmed. Strange thing to do in the face of a supposed insurgency. What was the point of that, exactly?

    >Biden’s fundamental challenge — even as he issues executive orders on immigration, climate change, the pandemic and a host of other domestic problems — is to root out the insurgency.

    Treating half the country as prone to insurgency on a good day out the gate is a sure recipe for creating a real one.

    >Take a page from Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy’s war against the Ku Klux Klan in the South and the Mafia in big cities.

    However inconvenient this is to 1960s mythology, it was was J. Edgar Hoover and his merry men who truly broke the KKK, using means of dubious legality to do so, of course. By the 1970s, every chapter across the South was so swiss-cheesed with federal agents that you could safely assume the FBI knew when the wizard sneezed.

    (Hoover’s own views on black people could be charitably described as unenlightened, but they were also in no way atypical or out of the ordinary for Southern whites of his generation. My own prosaic impression is that Hoover just really, really didn’t like “disorder”, wherever it came from: and what was the KKK if not subversive? By contrast, he saw the Mafia as conducive to preserving it in major urban areas, hence he pretended they didn’t exist for a long time. An additional factor behind Operation WHITE HATE was that LBJ was one of the few Presidents Hoover liked and respected on a personal level, with him often babysitting Johnson’s daughters in the 1950s. By contrast, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Nixon all considered firing Hoover at one point or another: and all of them chickened out. The implications need not be stated.)

    >But even as the Biden administration attacks the most seditious members of the insurrection, it should consider a tactic that’s quite radical in the current political climate — listening to the other side.

    What would be the point? Our bipartisan elites have made it very clear that they see nothing wrong with America other than the discontents themselves. At any rate, I see no indication that Biden is any more ready to address the deep structural problems that face the United States than his predecessors, especially at his age, so…

    • Agree: El Dato, Redman
    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @nebulafox

    neb, so the Guardsmen are unarmed in a 'war zone' and for what it's worth MacArthur's troops who occupied Japan were armed but with no ammo. I guess it is more of an optics thing.

  103. I encountered the Goethe statue in Chicago many years ago. It was a striking anomaly because the neighborhood was much “changed.” The experience prompted a library trip to find out what happened to the Germans.

    There are more German-descended people in the U.S. than any other ethnicity.

    They were “erased,” as the postmodernists would say.

    Another bit of forgotten Americana. As a child in the 1950s I often heard public service announcements on television: all aliens must register their address with the Attorney General during January (at the post office). I asked my parents about it and first learned about citizenship, naturalization, immigrants, countries. At the time my mother was undocumented. Ha ha, not what you think. She came to the U.S. at age 3 and lost her naturalization papers on a house move. In those days it was a big hassle to get to a major city to rectify paperwork, but she did later when we moved to a big city.

    Here’s an old broadcast, you can hear the PSA starting at 1:45.

  104. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    How do Germans look? In thinking about the Nazi leadership (a very German bunch if you count Austrians as Germans) it's hard to think of a single "look" - they just look like generic white people. There are some Germans who look like stereotype of the blond haired Aryan but it's not like all (or even a large fraction) of Germans have that look.

    Replies: @Redman, @Stan Adams, @John Johnson, @Buzz Mohawk, @Bannon, @Hypnotoad666, @David In TN

    How do Germans look? In thinking about the Nazi leadership (a very German bunch if you count Austrians as Germans) it’s hard to think of a single “look” – they just look like generic white people.

    They certainly have strong cheekbones in contrast to the British but I’m not sure how much of that is due to the Brits liking their fried foods.

    Brits and Scotts tend to be more stout and rounded. Germans are certainly more muscular. Could you tell the difference between a group of Swedes and Germans? Probably not. But I could easily tell the difference between a crowd of Brits and Germans.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @John Johnson

    My father, a Northern Californian, told me the old joke in his family was: "Wash a Swede and you'll find a German."

    There was a lot of (proud) German ancestry in his family, which I guess is why people in my wife's country say I look German. (That's how I got this whole "German look" idea here -- which started this whole thread.) They say I look German, over there where they really know and respect Germans, but some non-Germanic geniuses here say there is no such look.

    Is there any wonder why I truly believe this whole damned world is a big, fat, tasteless joke full of idiots? It is a Confederacy of Dunces, and you can even find them right here, eating foot long hot dogs with relish. Read the damned book if this makes no sense.

    Replies: @Prester John, @Neil Templeton, @utu

    , @Ancient Briton
    @John Johnson

    Don't mention the war!

  105. @PiltdownMan
    Not entirely OT:


    Joe Biden’s fundamental challenge is to root out the domestic insurgency


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/joe-bidens-fundamental-challenge-is-to-root-out-the-domestic-insurgency/2021/01/19/0001d370-5a96-11eb-8bcf-3877871c819d_story.html


    Take a page from Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy’s war against the Ku Klux Klan in the South and the Mafia in big cities. These threats need to be “ripped out” with a dragnet that’s well targeted but uses every tool in the legal arsenal.
     

     
    Comments have been turned off.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Redman, @Known Fact

    This article by David Ignatius is scary shit.

    Biden’s fundamental challenge — even as he issues executive orders on immigration, climate change, the pandemic and a host of other domestic problems — is to root out the insurgency. A priority is to assess how deep it has spread within the military and law enforcement. Senior military officials tell me they have already identified 30 individuals among active-duty personnel, National Guard forces and veterans who might have been active in the Jan. 6 storming of the Capitol.

    This sounds a lot like an ideological purge among the military forces (i.e. anyone allowed to be armed). Mr. CIA Ignatius is telling us, “No more of this populist crap. Big Brother and the Party are not letting that happen ever again.”

  106. @clifford brown
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjAhgd9K-8o

    Replies: @Clyde, @botazefa

    It shoulda been Lars!

  107. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    How do Germans look? In thinking about the Nazi leadership (a very German bunch if you count Austrians as Germans) it's hard to think of a single "look" - they just look like generic white people. There are some Germans who look like stereotype of the blond haired Aryan but it's not like all (or even a large fraction) of Germans have that look.

    Replies: @Redman, @Stan Adams, @John Johnson, @Buzz Mohawk, @Bannon, @Hypnotoad666, @David In TN

    You make a good point, Jack, but I’m pretty sure if you went to Romania nobody there would say you were German-looking.

    And they should know; they have a German president.
    Klaus Iohannis, Transylvanian Saxon, with the Mrs.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Before the world wars, you had German districts all over Eastern Europe similar to the Chinatowns of Southeast Asian cities. (To clarify, I'm not talking about the initial medieval wave: German founded cities like Poznan or Riga that demographically shifted over the centuries.)

    They were invited in by the ruling governments for basically the same reason: they brought skills that the natives largely lacked, while simultaneously being "cheap", easily controllable, and eager to come due to nearly apocalyptic political and economic conditions back in 1600s Germany and 1800s China, respectively. This led to some amusing parallel cultural dynamics: Fyodor Dostoevsky regularly parodied German assimilation problems in Russia within his novels, and it reminded me of how Indonesian or Filipino cartoonists might joke about partially successful ethnic Chinese attempts to blend in.

    Replies: @Abe, @Anonymous, @Desiderius

  108. @NJ Transit Commuter
    My great great uncle told me about this. He was a school boy at the time. He recalled how all of the sudden one day the newspapers were full of anti German (both the country and ethnicity) propaganda and the teachers at his schools started teaching anti-German propaganda.

    He remembers being so confused because he couldn’t understand how the Germans could become such bad people overnight. (Children’s innocence can provide a refreshingly clear view!)

    This is something that has been scratched out of history to a frighteningly large degree, so I remember being surprised, listening to him describe this. And it scared me because as an American I wanted to believe that Americans are free thinkers and not so susceptible to government propaganda and coercion.

    I think this is good analogy to what is happening today Steve. The same irrational madness occurred back then, too. There is a church in Trenton, NJ that had the graves of the Hessian mercenaries that were killed in the battle of Trenton in December 1776. The 1917 SJWs dug up the remains and dumped them in the Delaware River. How long before we start seeing this happen at Confederate cemeteries?

    Replies: @Polistra, @Steve Sailer, @Elli, @Hannah Katz, @Hans, @John Up North, @R.G. Camara, @Hypnotoad666, @John Up North, @Anonymous, @Anon

    I once had a nextdoor neighbor of German descent on the Southside of Chicago. This neighbor had a close relative of German descent who was murdered in a anti German riot during WWI.

  109. OT: New head of homeland security will be deliberately lax on immigration law, is immigrant himself.

    How is that something that gives you greater moral authority? You’re just saying you have a personal position on immigration that is hostile to that of the native population.

    Not unlike how in Canada the minister for immigration is a Somali asylum seeker himself.

    Can we have a Palestinian-American run the DoD or State Department?

    • Replies: @peterike
    @Altai


    OT: New head of homeland security will be deliberately lax on immigration law, is immigrant himself.

     

    This new Jewish/Asian administration is going to be about ten times worse than your worst nightmares.
    , @Known Fact
    @Altai

    Oh, so is Romney now becoming the "severe conservative" he promised us in 2012?

    Replies: @Barnard

  110. There are plans afoot for a new immigration bill that will finally solve the problem of US coders not being depressed enough.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Altai

    Scrapping the visa caps on India is going to utterly destroy non-senior level software developers in America, and that includes other immigrant groups as much as American citizens.

    There's a special level of personal anger for me over this because software remains one of the few paths forward which has a relatively high BS threshold: which makes it one of the few paths left to a bourgeois existence for young people who aren't good at the schmoozing game. Given the unadulterated contempt and fear that the modern bien-pensant Left has for young men who fail to fit the woke striver model, which is heavily based on social skills and connections, it doesn't surprise me at all that the HR/MBA crowd would go after it.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Altai

    Altai, they are ramping it up quickly on the first day (very much differently from Trump's attempt at leadership, BTW). I'm afraid if we Americans don't get out there in force, better at the local level, this will be a quick way to end this country. Americans have defeated these large-scale amnesty attempts multiple times before. However, I wonder if The Party, with their threats against anyone who dares to disagree, doesn't care anymore what we want.

    We cannot count on most GOP Senators/Reps to do anything resembling the right thing for Americans unless we put the pressure on them hard.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @MEH 0910
    @Altai

    https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/1351985378035707911


    On his first day as president on Wednesday, Joe Biden will send an ambitious immigration reform bill to Congress that would create an eight-year path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, bolster border security with new screening technologies, and deliver aid to Central America.

    The bill, known as the US Citizenship Act of 2021 and outlined in a four-page summary shared with reporters, would represent the most sweeping immigration reform package passed since 1986.
     
  111. Speaking of Teutonic, I saw a photo of biden standing on a porch with his new rescue dog, a nice looking German Shepherd, at his side. Then it dawned on me, not a rescue dog, an assistance dog, to help joe find his way back to the Oval Office from the Rose Garden. And with so many Members of the Tribe already in his administration, how long before they trace the dog’s great, great, great, greatgrand sire back to Buchenwald or Auschwitz and have the four legged nazi put down? Nice thing about the Oval Office, no way for joe to corner an intern there. Stay safe.

    • LOL: turtle
    • Replies: @turtle
    @Buffalo Joe


    Nice thing about the Oval Office, no way for joe to corner an intern there.
     
    And there was Grandma,
    Swingin' on the outhouse door
    Without her nightshirt on.
    And there was Grandpa,
    Too old to do anything.
    , @Dan Hayes
    @Buffalo Joe

    The Oval Office did not seem to inhibit the activities of President Bill and Intern Monica!

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  112. @NJ Transit Commuter
    My great great uncle told me about this. He was a school boy at the time. He recalled how all of the sudden one day the newspapers were full of anti German (both the country and ethnicity) propaganda and the teachers at his schools started teaching anti-German propaganda.

    He remembers being so confused because he couldn’t understand how the Germans could become such bad people overnight. (Children’s innocence can provide a refreshingly clear view!)

    This is something that has been scratched out of history to a frighteningly large degree, so I remember being surprised, listening to him describe this. And it scared me because as an American I wanted to believe that Americans are free thinkers and not so susceptible to government propaganda and coercion.

    I think this is good analogy to what is happening today Steve. The same irrational madness occurred back then, too. There is a church in Trenton, NJ that had the graves of the Hessian mercenaries that were killed in the battle of Trenton in December 1776. The 1917 SJWs dug up the remains and dumped them in the Delaware River. How long before we start seeing this happen at Confederate cemeteries?

    Replies: @Polistra, @Steve Sailer, @Elli, @Hannah Katz, @Hans, @John Up North, @R.G. Camara, @Hypnotoad666, @John Up North, @Anonymous, @Anon

    A Tree Grows in Brooklyn is a classic American novel written by a female author who basically took her childhood in Brooklyn, NY from 1900-1917 and fictionalized it.

    The protagonist/author is a half-German, half-Irish girl who is far closer with her Irish roots than German—her German grandfather refuses to even learn English despite living in America, staying in the German neighborhoods and forcing his family (including the protagonists’s mother) to do all the communicating in English.

    Anyway, when the WW1 part of the novels starts, the protagonist overheads several German guys drinking and talking, and they talk about changing their last names to get away from their Germanness out of shame of Germany fighting America.

    I always found that part painfully sad, despite not being German in the least. Imagine being so ashamed of your blood as to erase it.

  113. @Steve Sailer
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    They mayor of Madison demanded that a modest memorial in a Madison to Confederate POWs who died in a Union Army POW camp be taken down.

    Replies: @Walsh2, @Arclight, @Jack Armstrong, @Reg Cæsar, @JohnnyWalker123

    They mayor of Madison demanded that a modest memorial in a Madison to Confederate POWs who died in a Union Army POW camp be taken down.

    Yes, Madison. Was this on Washington Avenue, the main isthmic thoroughfare? Or Pinckney Street? Blount Street? Jenifer Street? Spaight Street?

    Massa’s name be all ovah Madison!

    The coronation inauguration ceremony wafted into the room despite my attempts to shut it out. Someone sang an anthem with words written by a slave owner and legal representative of other such men.

    These people are so blind to their own hypocrisy.

  114. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Jack D

    You make a good point, Jack, but I'm pretty sure if you went to Romania nobody there would say you were German-looking.

    And they should know; they have a German president.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/15/22/f2/1522f264d373d04edeec189caaa26a8c.jpg
    Klaus Iohannis, Transylvanian Saxon, with the Mrs.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Before the world wars, you had German districts all over Eastern Europe similar to the Chinatowns of Southeast Asian cities. (To clarify, I’m not talking about the initial medieval wave: German founded cities like Poznan or Riga that demographically shifted over the centuries.)

    They were invited in by the ruling governments for basically the same reason: they brought skills that the natives largely lacked, while simultaneously being “cheap”, easily controllable, and eager to come due to nearly apocalyptic political and economic conditions back in 1600s Germany and 1800s China, respectively. This led to some amusing parallel cultural dynamics: Fyodor Dostoevsky regularly parodied German assimilation problems in Russia within his novels, and it reminded me of how Indonesian or Filipino cartoonists might joke about partially successful ethnic Chinese attempts to blend in.

    • Replies: @Abe
    @nebulafox


    They were invited in by the ruling governments for basically the same reason: they brought skills that the natives largely lacked, while simultaneously being “cheap”, easily controllable, and eager to come due to nearly apocalyptic political and economic conditions back in 1600s Germany
     
    Right, but this migration happened well before the 1600 Wars of Religion, starting even in the Dark Ages- lookup Transylvanian Saxons (on which term I call dibs, BTW, for the new thrash metal band I am starting up) on Wikipedia.

    Another example of this is the large number of Baltic Germans in the senior officer corps of the Imperial Czarist Army- e.g. Rennenkampf . Overall Germans were, if not exactly the anti-Mexicans, certainly the anti-Somalis of Common Era humans migration. Hard-working, honest, skilled, and generally impeccably loyal immigrants who’d elevate any country lucky enough to have them.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Intelligent Dasein

    , @Anonymous
    @nebulafox


    This led to some amusing parallel cultural dynamics: Fyodor Dostoevsky regularly parodied German assimilation problems in Russia within his novels, and it reminded me of how Indonesian or Filipino cartoonists might joke about partially successful ethnic Chinese attempts to blend in.
     
    “Blending in” is not the same thing as assimilating.
    , @Desiderius
    @nebulafox

    Interesting takes on that dynamic in this book:

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7045965-russia-against-napoleon

    You’ll likely see an analogous diaspora of competent Americans throughout the rest of this century.

  115. @Altai
    OT: New head of homeland security will be deliberately lax on immigration law, is immigrant himself.

    https://twitter.com/NumbersUSA/status/1351701457570062338

    How is that something that gives you greater moral authority? You're just saying you have a personal position on immigration that is hostile to that of the native population.

    Not unlike how in Canada the minister for immigration is a Somali asylum seeker himself.

    Can we have a Palestinian-American run the DoD or State Department?

    Replies: @peterike, @Known Fact

    OT: New head of homeland security will be deliberately lax on immigration law, is immigrant himself.

    This new Jewish/Asian administration is going to be about ten times worse than your worst nightmares.

  116. @Altai
    https://twitter.com/USTechWorkers/status/1351924145257385984

    There are plans afoot for a new immigration bill that will finally solve the problem of US coders not being depressed enough.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Achmed E. Newman, @MEH 0910

    Scrapping the visa caps on India is going to utterly destroy non-senior level software developers in America, and that includes other immigrant groups as much as American citizens.

    There’s a special level of personal anger for me over this because software remains one of the few paths forward which has a relatively high BS threshold: which makes it one of the few paths left to a bourgeois existence for young people who aren’t good at the schmoozing game. Given the unadulterated contempt and fear that the modern bien-pensant Left has for young men who fail to fit the woke striver model, which is heavily based on social skills and connections, it doesn’t surprise me at all that the HR/MBA crowd would go after it.

    • Replies: @anon
    @nebulafox

    Scrapping the visa caps on India is going to utterly destroy non-senior level software developers in America, and that includes other immigrant groups as much as American citizens.

    Feature, not bug. Just ask the management of Micro$oft. Or Google. Or Intel. Or...

    Replies: @nebulafox

  117. German was also taught less, which put us at a disadvantage during WWII when more translators would have been helpful

  118. @nebulafox
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Before the world wars, you had German districts all over Eastern Europe similar to the Chinatowns of Southeast Asian cities. (To clarify, I'm not talking about the initial medieval wave: German founded cities like Poznan or Riga that demographically shifted over the centuries.)

    They were invited in by the ruling governments for basically the same reason: they brought skills that the natives largely lacked, while simultaneously being "cheap", easily controllable, and eager to come due to nearly apocalyptic political and economic conditions back in 1600s Germany and 1800s China, respectively. This led to some amusing parallel cultural dynamics: Fyodor Dostoevsky regularly parodied German assimilation problems in Russia within his novels, and it reminded me of how Indonesian or Filipino cartoonists might joke about partially successful ethnic Chinese attempts to blend in.

    Replies: @Abe, @Anonymous, @Desiderius

    They were invited in by the ruling governments for basically the same reason: they brought skills that the natives largely lacked, while simultaneously being “cheap”, easily controllable, and eager to come due to nearly apocalyptic political and economic conditions back in 1600s Germany

    Right, but this migration happened well before the 1600 Wars of Religion, starting even in the Dark Ages- lookup Transylvanian Saxons (on which term I call dibs, BTW, for the new thrash metal band I am starting up) on Wikipedia.

    Another example of this is the large number of Baltic Germans in the senior officer corps of the Imperial Czarist Army- e.g. Rennenkampf . Overall Germans were, if not exactly the anti-Mexicans, certainly the anti-Somalis of Common Era humans migration. Hard-working, honest, skilled, and generally impeccably loyal immigrants who’d elevate any country lucky enough to have them.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Abe


    Hard-working, honest, skilled, and generally impeccably loyal immigrants who’d elevate any country lucky enough to have them.
     
    Absolutely.
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @Abe

    On the contrary, I find Germans to be goofy, insouciant, and mouthy. They talk in a very immoderate manner, not even realizing how provocative they're being, until you've had enough of their bullcrap and you tell them to shut the hell up or you're going to clock them, whereupon they engage in a curious mixture of groveling and rationalization which actually concedes nothing. I don't care much for Germans.

    Replies: @anon, @Peter D. Bredon

  119. There’s something about the Germans that makes them uniquely vulnerable to the concept of collective guilt. The old Occidental Quarterly writer Yggdrasil once wrote something to the effect that it was no accident that the Protestant Reformation got its start in Germany, because every German needed to get up on the Cross himself as sin was eternal and could never be forgiven, ever. Of course, all of German national self-identity since 1945 in the Fatherland itself has been an expression of self-hatred and a desire for extinction, at least in public.

    It is funny though if you are an American, or at least a White American, who has traveled or lived in Germany, or a German who has traveled or lived in America (at least the parts of America that are mostly White), how familiar many things seem, especially folkways and human physiognomy. Almost as if you had encountered remnants of a lost tribe cut off by an ice age or something. (The cultural drift worked both ways: postwar West Germany assimilated many cultural habits from America.)

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    @Thomas

    Americans, I think, got their cleanliness habits from Germans. Americans who live in Britain now remark constantly about the trash on the streets and the personal odor of the native inhabitants.

  120. @Abe
    @nebulafox


    They were invited in by the ruling governments for basically the same reason: they brought skills that the natives largely lacked, while simultaneously being “cheap”, easily controllable, and eager to come due to nearly apocalyptic political and economic conditions back in 1600s Germany
     
    Right, but this migration happened well before the 1600 Wars of Religion, starting even in the Dark Ages- lookup Transylvanian Saxons (on which term I call dibs, BTW, for the new thrash metal band I am starting up) on Wikipedia.

    Another example of this is the large number of Baltic Germans in the senior officer corps of the Imperial Czarist Army- e.g. Rennenkampf . Overall Germans were, if not exactly the anti-Mexicans, certainly the anti-Somalis of Common Era humans migration. Hard-working, honest, skilled, and generally impeccably loyal immigrants who’d elevate any country lucky enough to have them.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Intelligent Dasein

    Hard-working, honest, skilled, and generally impeccably loyal immigrants who’d elevate any country lucky enough to have them.

    Absolutely.

  121. Binghamton, N.Y. still boasts Haendel, Mendelsohn, and Hayden Streets (all sic), and the grossly mispronounced Beethoven and Goethe Streets. Schubert and Schiller are probably lucky to have both spelling and pronunciation survive.

    Mozart is present as well. They are across the river from downtown, to the west:

    Binghamton flood stage mapper

    • Replies: @additionalMike
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yaphank (pron. Yap-hank) Long Island had a Bund community before WWII, with streets with names like "Adolph Hitler Way." I saw the original linen maps in the Brookhaven Town planning department years ago.
    My father said that you could sometimes see the Bundists while driving by on the main road, having their outdoor ceremonies or parades, with Bund flags or banners. He remembered his family members making rude gestures at them from the car (family was largely German/Austrian descent), with the Bundists replying in kind.

  122. @Buzz Mohawk
    OT: RIP Don Sutton.

    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BgbQjaM2B1A/Tb33epH_v3I/AAAAAAAAKhc/UAJYD4Jk6Y8/s320/sb_1966_topps_drysdale-koufax-sutton.jpg

    Replies: @Trinity

    Didn’t Don Sutton and Steve Garvey come to blows in the Dodger locker room?

    Back to the article. So America put Japanese Americans in camps, and discriminated against German Americans and Italian Americans during WWII. I heard somewhere that German Americans made up a very significant proportion of America back then so what gives? Americans were so brainwashed to hate everything German that the beloved dachshund lost popularity as a pet. Given that so many dog breeds originated in Germany, dog ownership must have declined considerably.

    Unlike the German American, the Italian American and the Japanese American, Jews were destroying Germany and they had already took over the Soviet Union and World Jewry had declared war on Germany. Jews were POW and placed in camps because they were an actual threat to Germany and Europe for that matter unlike the Japanese American who posed no real threat to America.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Trinity

    Be careful, Trinity. You are making too much sense. You could become the object of your own name:

    https://media.giphy.com/media/MRg5eMERXmTnO/giphy.gif

    It should be obvious by now to any of us who have lived even a few decades that this world is not, and never has been, at all based on truth or anything remotely approaching what our minds conceive of as making sense or being humane.

    My advice to you: Stop Making Sense.

    https://marty28blogs.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/tumblr_m6ei4kirvj1rvn6njo1_5001.gif

    , @njguy73
    @Trinity

    Yes, Sutton (a Alabama native) and Garvey (a Michigan alum) did have a fight. It was either about Sutton's comments on Mrs. Garvey, or about Sutton saying that Reggie Smith was really the Dodgers' best player. When asked about the fight, Sutton said,

    "You're not going to believe this, but he was trying to convince me that the Big Ten was better than the SEC."

    Replies: @David In TN, @Trinity

  123. @Altai
    https://twitter.com/USTechWorkers/status/1351924145257385984

    There are plans afoot for a new immigration bill that will finally solve the problem of US coders not being depressed enough.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Achmed E. Newman, @MEH 0910

    Altai, they are ramping it up quickly on the first day (very much differently from Trump’s attempt at leadership, BTW). I’m afraid if we Americans don’t get out there in force, better at the local level, this will be a quick way to end this country. Americans have defeated these large-scale amnesty attempts multiple times before. However, I wonder if The Party, with their threats against anyone who dares to disagree, doesn’t care anymore what we want.

    We cannot count on most GOP Senators/Reps to do anything resembling the right thing for Americans unless we put the pressure on them hard.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I’m afraid if we Americans don’t get out there in force, better at the local level
     
    Demand generous health benefits for the worker and whole family from employers of non-citizens.

    A minimum wage for non-citizens high enough to lift them above the income tax threshold can follow.

    Force them to argue against two of their favorite causes!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  124. @Buffalo Joe
    Speaking of Teutonic, I saw a photo of biden standing on a porch with his new rescue dog, a nice looking German Shepherd, at his side. Then it dawned on me, not a rescue dog, an assistance dog, to help joe find his way back to the Oval Office from the Rose Garden. And with so many Members of the Tribe already in his administration, how long before they trace the dog's great, great, great, greatgrand sire back to Buchenwald or Auschwitz and have the four legged nazi put down? Nice thing about the Oval Office, no way for joe to corner an intern there. Stay safe.

    Replies: @turtle, @Dan Hayes

    Nice thing about the Oval Office, no way for joe to corner an intern there.

    And there was Grandma,
    Swingin’ on the outhouse door
    Without her nightshirt on.
    And there was Grandpa,
    Too old to do anything.

  125. So, while the anti-Japanese panic in 1942 California was rooted in misguided but understandable paranoia…

    Excuse the cynicism, but it was more likely meant to protect them from the sort that would vote for an FDR three times. They knew their constituents well.

    …the anti-German mania of 1917 was largely political, a contrivance abused by pro-war politicians to generate ardor for the conflict while clubbing their domestic opponents into submission.

    Same in 1942. American Fascism 2.0 needed to whip up ethnic animosity to drive the war effort the second time around, too.

    Besides, Japanese-Americans were already Republicans, weren’t they? “Economic royalists”.

  126. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    How do Germans look? In thinking about the Nazi leadership (a very German bunch if you count Austrians as Germans) it's hard to think of a single "look" - they just look like generic white people. There are some Germans who look like stereotype of the blond haired Aryan but it's not like all (or even a large fraction) of Germans have that look.

    Replies: @Redman, @Stan Adams, @John Johnson, @Buzz Mohawk, @Bannon, @Hypnotoad666, @David In TN

    In reply to Jack D: Germans look like “generic white people” to an American eye, because a HUGE portion of white Americans are of significant German descent. They also look that way because what registers as “generic white” is the more nordic white — the Germanic states, the UK, and France. Those three branches are sort of genetically the same.

    Small side point: I am of heavily German descent and didn’t even know it until I was about 40 and was tracing my roots. I think because of WWI, most German whites in America just stopped talking about it, even it to their own kids. (I can’t speak with authority — my descent was not from 19th century immigrants, but rather pre-Revolution.)

    • Replies: @deep anonymous
    @Bannon

    My paternal grandparents emigrated to the U.S. from Eastern Europe in the early 1900s. (They were Donau-Schwaben.) They spoke German at home. When the anti-German hysteria broke out, one of my grandfather's closest American friends stopped speaking to him and never spoke to him again.

    My father told me none of this. I did not even know I was half-German (other half Irish) until an older brother became interested in our family genealogy. That brother undertook to interview every elder relative, and a paternal aunt told him a great deal about her German heritage that we previously had never known. He also researched church records and archives throughout central and Eastern Europe and learned that most of our relatives who had remained in Europe were liquidated in the aftermath of WWII or died fighting in the war (of course on the NS side). I found out none of this until the 1990s.

  127. Several states banned the teaching of German in schools in the early 2oth century, which propelled the disappearance of Germans as a distinct ethnic group. The Germans were particularly numerous in the Midwest, which tended to be nationalist and anti-intervention anyway. The east coast WASP elite, which dominated the cultural and political life of that time, was interventionist and pro-British, leading to the debacle of US participation in WWI. Of course, they also controlled the press, which meant they could spread anti-German propaganda effectively.

  128. @Polynikes
    I had always come across a stat (and I’m paraphrasing because it’s been awhile) that said there were about 1300 German language newspapers pre-WW1 in circulation in the US. Post WW1 that number was down to ~13.

    Maybe it’s apocryphal, but the forced assimilation of Germans used to be taught in history class by some of your more keen history teachers. At least that was the case a couple decades ago.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @Hypnotoad666, @obwandiyag

    Maybe it’s apocryphal, but the forced assimilation of Germans used to be taught in history class by some of your more keen history teachers. At least that was the case a couple decades ago.

    One Supreme Court case that is taught in law schools (at least in passing) is Meyer v. State of Nebraska, a 1923 case that overturned a conviction for violating a 1919 law against teaching German to children.

    Plaintiff in error was tried and convicted in the district court for Hamilton county, Nebraska, under an information which charged that on May 25, 1920, while an instructor in Zion Parochial School he unlawfully taught the subject of reading in the German language to Raymond Parpart, a child of 10 years, who had not attained and successfully passed the eighth grade. The information is based upon ‘An act relating to the teaching of foreign languages in the state of Nebraska,’ approved April 9, 1919 (Laws 1919, c. 249), which follows:

    2
    ‘Section 1. No person, individually or as a teacher, shall, in any private, denominational, parochial or public school, teach any subject to any person in any language than the English language.
    3
    ‘Sec. 2. Languages, other than the English language, may be taught as languages only after a pupil shall have attained and successfully passed the eighth grade as evidenced by a certificate of graduation issued by the county superintendent of the county in which the child resides.

    The U.S. Supreme Court, writing in 1923 and clearly cognizant of the excesses of the 1917-1919 hysteria, struck down the law.

    The desire of the Legislature to foster a homogeneous people with American ideals prepared readily to understand current discussions of civic matters is easy to appreciate. Unfortunate experiences during the late war and aversion toward every character of truculent adversaries were certainly enough to quicken that aspiration. But the means adopted, we think, exceed the limitations upon the power of the state and conflict with rights assured to plaintiff in error. The interference is plain enough and no adequate reason therefor in time of peace and domestic tranquility has been shown. https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/262/390

    The court’s reasoning in striking down the law was that it offended the Due Process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, which during the pre-New Deal era was given a very libertarian reading (referred to disparagingly by progressive law professors as the “Lochner era”).

    The problem for our determination is whether the statute as construed and applied unreasonably infringes the liberty guaranteed to the plaintiff in error by the Fourteenth Amendment:

    11
    ‘No state * * * shall deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law.’

    12
    While this court has not attempted to define with exactness the liberty thus guaranteed, the term has received much consideration and some of the included things have been definitely stated. Without doubt, it denotes not merely freedom from bodily restraint but also the right of the individual to contract, to engage in any of the common occupations of life, to acquire useful knowledge, to marry, establish a home and bring up children, to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience, and generally to enjoy those privileges long recognized at common law as essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.

    Interestingly, the Court’s opinion also ruled that that the socialistic ideal of Plato’s Republic would be unconstitutional as well. I hope the current court feels the same.

    That the state may do much, go very far, indeed, in order to improve the quality of its citizens, physically, mentally and morally, is clear; but the individual has certain fundamental rights which must be respected. The protection of the Constitution extends to all, to those who speak other languages as well as to those born with English on the tongue. Perhaps it would be highly advantageous if all had ready understanding of our ordinary speech, but this cannot be coerced by methods which conflict with the Constitution—a desirable and cannot be promoted by prohibited means.

    20
    For the welfare of his Ideal Commonwealth, Plato suggested a law which should provide:

    21
    ‘That the wives of our guardians are to be common, and their children are to be common, and no parent is to know his own child, nor any child his parent. * * * The proper officers will take the offspring of the good parents to the pen or fold, and there they will deposit them with certain nurses who dwell in a separate quarter; but the offspring of the inferior, or of the better when they chance to be deformed, will be put away in some mysterious, unknown place, as they should be.’

    22
    In order to submerge the individual and develop ideal citizens, Sparta assembled the males at seven into barracks and intrusted their subsequent education and training to official guardians. Although such measures have been deliberately approved by men of great genius their ideas touching the relation between individual and state were wholly different from those upon which our institutions rest; and it hardly will be affirmed that any Legislature could impose such restrictions upon the people of a state without doing violence to both letter and spirit of the Constitution.

  129. The FBI is using about 9,600 billboards in 46 states.

  130. @PiltdownMan
    Not entirely OT:


    Joe Biden’s fundamental challenge is to root out the domestic insurgency


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/joe-bidens-fundamental-challenge-is-to-root-out-the-domestic-insurgency/2021/01/19/0001d370-5a96-11eb-8bcf-3877871c819d_story.html


    Take a page from Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy’s war against the Ku Klux Klan in the South and the Mafia in big cities. These threats need to be “ripped out” with a dragnet that’s well targeted but uses every tool in the legal arsenal.
     

     
    Comments have been turned off.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Redman, @Known Fact

    The establishment fawning today is unbearable. My favorite comment from elsewhere:

    MEDIA: Trump’s a dictator!
    (15 minutes later …)
    MEDIA: Yay Biden! Look at all the tanks and fences!

  131. @Abe
    @Clyde


    In England the British Royal Family scurried to change their last names
     
    .

    There were anti-German riots and other types of nastiness in the UK as well; a darkly funny example is how this family business with a funny-looking foreign name out front had to write “We Are Russian” on the windows in order to avoid getting looted:

    (see 24:46 if UNZ strips off my time marker):

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T1WjRG6ot5Y&t=24m46s

    Replies: @Jack D, @Prof. Woland

    had to write “We Are Russian” on the windows in order to avoid getting looted:

    Nowadays they would have to write BLM.

    • Agree: Rob McX
  132. @Altai
    OT: New head of homeland security will be deliberately lax on immigration law, is immigrant himself.

    https://twitter.com/NumbersUSA/status/1351701457570062338

    How is that something that gives you greater moral authority? You're just saying you have a personal position on immigration that is hostile to that of the native population.

    Not unlike how in Canada the minister for immigration is a Somali asylum seeker himself.

    Can we have a Palestinian-American run the DoD or State Department?

    Replies: @peterike, @Known Fact

    Oh, so is Romney now becoming the “severe conservative” he promised us in 2012?

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Known Fact

    Is Romney going to vote against this nominee? He asked the question, but I don't see any confirmation he thinks the nomination should fail. It will be a sign as to how vulnerable Romney thinks he is in 2024 as to how many Biden nominees he votes to confirm. I would guess he votes to confirm over half of them.

  133. @Altai
    Similar things happened in Canada and Australia, lots of towns and places with German names were renamed.

    Despite being larger in population than any other ethnic group in America, having had huge and unavoidable influence on America; German-American identity is conspicuous in it's absence today.

    It's kind of surreal.

    Perhaps it would have had a renaissance if not for WW2.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Another Canadian, @Ancient Briton, @Stan d Mute

    Well there’s Bud beer and Heinz baked beans – prosit!

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Ancient Briton

    Also Shiner beer from Texas -- didn't the Lone Star State have a significant influx of Germans, including numerous brewers?

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @John Johnson, @JMcG

    , @Unladen Swallow
    @Ancient Briton

    Bausch & Lomb, Weyerhauser, Pfizer, Merck.

    Replies: @Flip

  134. “and the curious Hindu–German Conspiracy Trial in San Francisco.”

    Those Aryans, always up to something.

  135. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    How do Germans look? In thinking about the Nazi leadership (a very German bunch if you count Austrians as Germans) it's hard to think of a single "look" - they just look like generic white people. There are some Germans who look like stereotype of the blond haired Aryan but it's not like all (or even a large fraction) of Germans have that look.

    Replies: @Redman, @Stan Adams, @John Johnson, @Buzz Mohawk, @Bannon, @Hypnotoad666, @David In TN

    they just look like generic white people.

    To me, Germans look American. Beefy and white, but not especially Nordic looking. Germany is like Ohio on the Rhine until you realize they aren’t speaking English.

    On the other hand, there is just something “Euro” looking about Scandinavians and Dutch. It’s hard to describe, but it’s there.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Hypnotoad666

    Ohio on the Rhine is German.

    https://www.citybeat.com/arts-culture/culture/blog/21143716/outdoor-tours-of-overtherhines-music-hall-return

    Or we were until we had to assimilate like hell (including changing our family name) during that panic.

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Hypnotoad666

    I agree. Generic white Americans stand out among Euros for being more muscular even when not overweight (men and women), and for being relatively tan despite not otherwise having a Mediterranean appearance. Germans come the closest to this look, probably because they are also somewhat pan-European.

    British ancestry is downplayed by a lot of white Americans (we tend to to claim whatever ancestry our most exotic grandparent was), but British and Irish people have a pretty different look than most white Americans. The most noticeable thing is how much paler the British are.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D

    , @David
    @Hypnotoad666

    I was born in Ohio two hundred yards from the Ohio River. When I traveled in Germany years ago, I felt already perfectly familiar with the meaning of their facial expressions, something I wouldn't say of any other place outside the English speaking world.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @John Johnson

  136. Germans look “Euro”, what else would they look like? Certainly don’t look Irish/Celtic/Gaelic. Scandinavians don’t exist in a vacuum, they share a common ancestry with Germans, same with Dutch.

  137. Second hand report here but consistent with other data:

    Friend of mine has 4 / 8 great-grandparents born in Germany and immigrated to United States as young adults. He knew both of the great-grandmothers as a child and they spoke English like Henry Kissinger, perfectly fluent but heavily accented. No German was spoken, ever, after ~ 1914. The grandparents did not admit to knowing the language although they were both born early enough to have learned it.

    That is some big-time social engineering.

  138. @Buzz Mohawk
    We touched on this subject in the comment section recently. Now Steve's essay brings to mind a question: How would White Americans in general blend into the surrounding population the way German ones did?

    Americans don't really distinguish if you have German physical traits, because those characteristics are so much like others from Northwestern Europe. (Go to Europe, however, where friends or family might notice one's somewhat German appearance and even comment, nicely, on it.)

    German Americans looked like so many other Citizens, to Americans at least, but now, when the animosity is directed at all Whites, what happens?

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy, @Jack D, @Intelligent Dasein

    Serious answer: I would think the best way to blend in would be to marry a foreign looking woman. East Asian, South Asian, or Latin would all do nicely.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Didn’t Hiltler round up jewish members of a mixed family?

  139. @NJ Transit Commuter
    My great great uncle told me about this. He was a school boy at the time. He recalled how all of the sudden one day the newspapers were full of anti German (both the country and ethnicity) propaganda and the teachers at his schools started teaching anti-German propaganda.

    He remembers being so confused because he couldn’t understand how the Germans could become such bad people overnight. (Children’s innocence can provide a refreshingly clear view!)

    This is something that has been scratched out of history to a frighteningly large degree, so I remember being surprised, listening to him describe this. And it scared me because as an American I wanted to believe that Americans are free thinkers and not so susceptible to government propaganda and coercion.

    I think this is good analogy to what is happening today Steve. The same irrational madness occurred back then, too. There is a church in Trenton, NJ that had the graves of the Hessian mercenaries that were killed in the battle of Trenton in December 1776. The 1917 SJWs dug up the remains and dumped them in the Delaware River. How long before we start seeing this happen at Confederate cemeteries?

    Replies: @Polistra, @Steve Sailer, @Elli, @Hannah Katz, @Hans, @John Up North, @R.G. Camara, @Hypnotoad666, @John Up North, @Anonymous, @Anon

    I think this is good analogy to what is happening today Steve. The same irrational madness occurred back then, too.

    Unfortunately, there is one major flaw in the analogy: The U.S. was only at war with Germany for about 18 months (April 6, 1917 to November 11, 1918), but the SJWs are engaged in a perpetual war against white people.

    Imagine a boot stomping on a wiener dog, forever.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Hypnotoad666

    Edward Bernays, nephew of Sigmund Freud, performed unspecified tasks for the US government during WW I. In the 1920's he wrote the books Propaganda and Crystallizing Public Opinion. He's regarded as the father of modern advertising. His "Liberty Torch" campaign in 1929 to encourage women to smoke was a masterpiece, with effects that lasted for years.

    Bernays also worked with the US government in the late 1930's and all through the 1940's to, shall we say, crystallize public opinion about war via propaganda.

    Propaganda today, such as car commercials, Lifetime movies and series on Netflix, etc. is all more subtle than the anti-Dachshund poster from 1917. Is it more effective? Maybe.


    "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one."
     

    - Charles MacKay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds
     
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Hypnotoad666

    Is that a real dachshund? It looks more like the bonsai variant that is far more popular today. I miss the ones that could really bark.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2c/54/2f/2c542fbd1650d3afcf5dfe53f4c7d49d.jpg

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Known Fact

    , @Peter D. Bredon
    @Hypnotoad666

    "Breed"? Isn't that racist?

    Also, notice it's not a German Shepard. Like PETA activists who throw red paint on old society women with fur coats, but not leather-jacketed Hell's Angels.

  140. Perfect timing for those were desperate for the Balfour Declaration, – Germany needed to be the enemy and of course German Americans were simply collateral damage.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @sidfal

    When the German Foreign Office heard about the Balfour Declaration, they wanted to issue their own Balfour Declaration promising Jews the same thing if the Central Powers won. Their Ottoman allies had to point out: Hey, wait a minute, we own Palestine. You can't go around giving our territory away.

    Replies: @Jon Halpenny

  141. Anonymous[109] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Before the world wars, you had German districts all over Eastern Europe similar to the Chinatowns of Southeast Asian cities. (To clarify, I'm not talking about the initial medieval wave: German founded cities like Poznan or Riga that demographically shifted over the centuries.)

    They were invited in by the ruling governments for basically the same reason: they brought skills that the natives largely lacked, while simultaneously being "cheap", easily controllable, and eager to come due to nearly apocalyptic political and economic conditions back in 1600s Germany and 1800s China, respectively. This led to some amusing parallel cultural dynamics: Fyodor Dostoevsky regularly parodied German assimilation problems in Russia within his novels, and it reminded me of how Indonesian or Filipino cartoonists might joke about partially successful ethnic Chinese attempts to blend in.

    Replies: @Abe, @Anonymous, @Desiderius

    This led to some amusing parallel cultural dynamics: Fyodor Dostoevsky regularly parodied German assimilation problems in Russia within his novels, and it reminded me of how Indonesian or Filipino cartoonists might joke about partially successful ethnic Chinese attempts to blend in.

    “Blending in” is not the same thing as assimilating.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  142. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Altai

    Altai, they are ramping it up quickly on the first day (very much differently from Trump's attempt at leadership, BTW). I'm afraid if we Americans don't get out there in force, better at the local level, this will be a quick way to end this country. Americans have defeated these large-scale amnesty attempts multiple times before. However, I wonder if The Party, with their threats against anyone who dares to disagree, doesn't care anymore what we want.

    We cannot count on most GOP Senators/Reps to do anything resembling the right thing for Americans unless we put the pressure on them hard.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I’m afraid if we Americans don’t get out there in force, better at the local level

    Demand generous health benefits for the worker and whole family from employers of non-citizens.

    A minimum wage for non-citizens high enough to lift them above the income tax threshold can follow.

    Force them to argue against two of their favorite causes!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Reg Cæsar

    I like your Alinsky-style idea, Reg, but my point was we need to lean on our Reps and Senators, hard. If this goes through, VDare may as well shut down and bug out like the rest of us are planning to.

  143. @Jack D
    @Clyde

    The links between British royalty and Germany were much more recent than the Anglo-Saxon invasion. The Saxe-Coburg-Gotha name belonged to Prince Albert, husband of Queen Victoria and so dated back only to the 19th century. Victoria herself was of German extraction dating back to George I. After Queen Anne of the House of Stuart died, the German prince George I (who also was the King of Hanover, a German state) was her closest living Protestant relative and became King. The Stuarts were Scottish not English so Elizabeth I was the last ruler of England who was actually English and the English have been ruled by foreigners for the last 400 years.

    It's very common for the ruling class of a nation to be of a different nationality than the masses. Pre-unification Germany had tons of princely states and the princes were intermarried with other European royalty (who were only supposed to marry fellow royals). Whenever the local line failed in some European country, the next in line was usually one of these German princes.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Flip, @nebulafox, @peterike, @Clyde, @Rob McX, @Anon, @Anonymous

    Thanks for your extended. Much better -literate than I can say.

  144. @PiltdownMan
    Interesting to see that, in 1913, the words "Master Mind" didn't have the faintly sinister connotation that "mastermind" does, today. It simply seems to have meant "greatest genius."

    https://i.imgur.com/c08HBzf.jpg?1

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Anyone here want to take a go at the appeal of Goethe?

    He famously translates less well to the modern idiom than any other past genius and I have the vaguest sense of his greatness but would love to hear from a connoisseur.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Desiderius

    “ Anyone here want to take a go at the appeal of Goethe?

    He famously translates less well...”

    He was a proto-romantic who had almost no direct competition. He also wrote a giant best seller at 24 which is inherently glamorous.

    As for translation, Sorrows and Faust were best sellers in translation in all the major Western European languages.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @scrivener3
    @Desiderius

    I agree, Goethe, Pushkin, Kant, Gogol, all are unapproachable in English translation. A hint at his greatness: In Dr. Faust the good Dr. translates Genesis opening "in the beginning was the ACT". Normally the passage was translated as "In the beginning was the word [logos]".

    A different conception of creation.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Herzog

    , @Dieter Kief
    @Desiderius

    Goethe-flashes - - -

    I

    Psychoanalyst Kurt R. Eisssler spent quite a few of his most productive New-York-years writing a biography of Goethe as the evolving genius  - the Goethe between 1775 and 1883 (= from 26 to 34 years old). A book of 1538 pages. There is a nice exemplar of it at Amazon right now for 49 dollars - another one sells for 758 dollars - so  - - -.https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000VVTB62/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_vote_lft?ie=UTF8&voteInstanceId=R2SVHD1HW09KCP&voteValue=1&csrfT=giK1YsSabjiO%2F3ysthe%2FvHKeT1LM06l%2BXTAr2YcAAAABAAAAAGAIt0hyYXcAAAAA%2B4kUEk%2F7iMGR3xPcX6iU&returnFromLogin=1#R2SVHD1HW09KCP&

    II

    Goethe was for quite some time the individual we knew most about on a day to day basis. He died at 82 years. He cultivated a friendship with the polyhistor, linguist, and Weimar Superintendent Herder and the (play)wright Schiller (Letters Concerning the Aesthetical Education of Mankind, Wilhelm Tell, the Ode to Joy in Beethoven's 9th Symphony).

    III

    He helped bring the Jena University to fruition, which (after him) saw the likes of Frege (Wittgenstein-predecessor), Haeckel (Darwin-predecessor), and during his time - Schelling, Schiller, Hegel, Brentano (folksong-collector - hard to over appreciate), Marx... Carl Zeiss, Ernst Abbe (abbe- prism...) and Otto Schott (Schott glass).
    Goethe initiated geological research in Jena (he had one of the three foremost geological collections in Europe), and Chemistry, and Biology. He made sure that all kinds of sculls were brought to Jena from the Grand-Duchy of Sachse-Weimar-Eisenach, which he served as a minister for the interior and the roads and mining). He did the design and oversee the construction of one of the most beautiful German country roads - the one between Weimar and Jena.

    His little essay On the Granite is the most astonishing modern text about science I know of (it's Popper in a nutshell, more concise and with less unnecessary - complications - than Popper's thinking).
     
    He challenged Newton in his lifelong studies of the optical field. It took about two hundred years before his optical studies were taken rather seriously and - : - are now more and more understood as a model, which fits in nicely with the findings of modern physics. Goethe's theory is founded by the idea that there are - dark rays (Dunkelstrahlung) - something which is now widely accepted in physics but was for a long time looked upon as just one more hint, that Goethe missed out completely in this field. For a starter: He conducted and described meticulously some fifty optical experiments - and all of them show what he did want to show with them - and are replicable without exception. - Roughly a dozen of loosely connected physicists all over Europe are now working on Goethe's optical studies. Almost all of his biographers were spectacularly wrong in this regard - including Eissler and an otherwise very good and approachable one, who's Goethe biography is translated into English: Rüdiger Safranski).
    https://www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/1631494899/ref=sr_1_4?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=18HSVTBM11TSQ&dchild=1&keywords=r%C3%BCdiger+safranski&qid=1611181911&sprefix=r%C3%BCdiger+safraanski%2Caps%2C231&sr=8-4

    IV

    Goethe understood quite a bit of economics - he is the first to have made use of the sealed bid auction method, which became rather popular with eBay (the best known German publisher of the 20th century, Siegfried Unseld, did write about this fact - before eBay - at some length).

    V

    Then Goethe wrote about sex, witchcraft, sorcery, science, economy, (Mick Jagger's) devil, and the truth (Faust I + II), and he impressed Nietzsche and the gentle giant Jean-Paul and the most playful of the German intellectuals - Heinrich Heine - and had a beautiful work-relationship with Friedrich von Schiller. Lots of his poems were set to music by a dozen or so great Musicians (the last one I know of being Randy Newman (Faust)).

    Yep - his bestselling novel Werther, mentioned on the Chicago statue Steve Sailer writes about, - oh - this fast and furious little book which he wrote as a 24-year-old in a few weeks, is very close to puberty as a map of the prototypical turmoils of early adulthood. It made him well known all over Europe. He felt reluctant about the fame this book brought him. - I just pinned it down - cool it, was his attitude when confronted with admirers (fans) of his biggest success during his lifetime.

    His Maxims and Reflections - a collection of thoughts, sentences, aphorisms, is a book I carry with me quite often. - It's one of my ten favorite books - for quite some time now. 

    I have very little experience with English translations of Goethe. His words have a frequency/or harmony/rhythm of the Frankfurtian Rhine-Main-dialect-sound to them. - Rough and melodic. Raspy. Apple-wine-tinted.

    His prose is clear and edgy while being charming. - The eternal older brother.

    I love, admire, and enjoy his description of his third Swiss Journey a lot (Die Schweizerreise von 1797).

    Replies: @Desiderius, @JMcG

    , @Herzog
    @Desiderius

    Obviously, as a German I'm not qualified to have an informed opinion on Goethe's translatability. Equally, I'm not familiar with the existing English translations, so no input on that either. In general terms though, poetry is notoriously difficult to translate, and even plays in metricized prose can pose considerable difficulties and lose thus much of their linguistic appeal --- the plot remains unaffected of course --- in translation.

    Which leaves us with pure prose, as in novels, novellas, etc. That's the branch that Goethe is least famous for in Germany, even though he wrote quite a few prose works too, works that still have wide name recognition among the Germanophone literature aficionados. Probably his prose isn't bad either --- the guy didn't have it in him to sink below a certain (quite elevated) level --- but it's the part of his writing that I'm least familiar with.

    What I can say is that I find Goethe's poetry charming, melodious, and sometimes intriguing, ranging over a wide range of forms. His plays too appeal to me, more for their language even than for their plots (which are not bad either, in that respect though, Schiller likely was superior).

    Overall, I find Goethe's attitude toward people and outlook on life gentle and humane --- he was the diametrical opposite of a berserk. In the original German at least, his writings exude a certain levity and grace, and even caustic Nietzsche, who usually had a biting word for everyone, found himself enchanted by them, and praised them highly.

    Also, Mr. Goethe was very open to the charms of the fair sex, yet no casanova or manic womanizer. Finally, he was appalled by the depredations of the French Revolution and its revolutionaries, and expressed it unambiguously in his writings. This costs him with the German left up to this day.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  145. @Abe
    @nebulafox


    They were invited in by the ruling governments for basically the same reason: they brought skills that the natives largely lacked, while simultaneously being “cheap”, easily controllable, and eager to come due to nearly apocalyptic political and economic conditions back in 1600s Germany
     
    Right, but this migration happened well before the 1600 Wars of Religion, starting even in the Dark Ages- lookup Transylvanian Saxons (on which term I call dibs, BTW, for the new thrash metal band I am starting up) on Wikipedia.

    Another example of this is the large number of Baltic Germans in the senior officer corps of the Imperial Czarist Army- e.g. Rennenkampf . Overall Germans were, if not exactly the anti-Mexicans, certainly the anti-Somalis of Common Era humans migration. Hard-working, honest, skilled, and generally impeccably loyal immigrants who’d elevate any country lucky enough to have them.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Intelligent Dasein

    On the contrary, I find Germans to be goofy, insouciant, and mouthy. They talk in a very immoderate manner, not even realizing how provocative they’re being, until you’ve had enough of their bullcrap and you tell them to shut the hell up or you’re going to clock them, whereupon they engage in a curious mixture of groveling and rationalization which actually concedes nothing. I don’t care much for Germans.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Dude, please learn the difference between present tense and past tense. You'll be better for it.

    , @Peter D. Bredon
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "The Hun is either at your throat or at your feet."

  146. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D


    they just look like generic white people.
     
    To me, Germans look American. Beefy and white, but not especially Nordic looking. Germany is like Ohio on the Rhine until you realize they aren't speaking English.

    On the other hand, there is just something "Euro" looking about Scandinavians and Dutch. It's hard to describe, but it's there.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @S. Anonyia, @David

    Ohio on the Rhine is German.

    https://www.citybeat.com/arts-culture/culture/blog/21143716/outdoor-tours-of-overtherhines-music-hall-return

    Or we were until we had to assimilate like hell (including changing our family name) during that panic.

  147. [OT comment on the 60+ year “White Supremacy” Panic]

    A Mary McCarthyism

    Lillian “The Helminth” Hellman would have been proud – every word in Joe “Buchenwald” Biden’s inaugural genocidal diatribe was a lie, including “and” and “the.”

    Also see: Jill, Joe, Lillian – “Doctor,” Demento, Pentimento

  148. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D


    they just look like generic white people.
     
    To me, Germans look American. Beefy and white, but not especially Nordic looking. Germany is like Ohio on the Rhine until you realize they aren't speaking English.

    On the other hand, there is just something "Euro" looking about Scandinavians and Dutch. It's hard to describe, but it's there.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @S. Anonyia, @David

    I agree. Generic white Americans stand out among Euros for being more muscular even when not overweight (men and women), and for being relatively tan despite not otherwise having a Mediterranean appearance. Germans come the closest to this look, probably because they are also somewhat pan-European.

    British ancestry is downplayed by a lot of white Americans (we tend to to claim whatever ancestry our most exotic grandparent was), but British and Irish people have a pretty different look than most white Americans. The most noticeable thing is how much paler the British are.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @S. Anonyia

    North Central Europeans more often than Brits have the look that was fashionable in the 1960s where the skin tans in the sun while the hair gets blonder (e.g., Robert Redford).

    Replies: @utu, @Daniel H, @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Jack D
    @S. Anonyia


    The most noticeable thing is how much paler the British are.
     
    You'd be pale too if you lived in a place where the sun rarely shines. When Brits move to sunny Florida or California or Tuscany or the Costa del Sol (and they love to move to sunny climates) they lose that northern pallor.
  149. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D


    A jeweler named Abraham Eliashow – that’s a funny “Russian” name and occupation.
     
    Did German Jews, or Yiddish speaking Jews generally, get targeted in the anti-German pogrom? Or were they were considered non-German in 1917.

    Replies: @Jack D, @James O'Meara

    As the “We’re Russians” sign indicates, despite the lack of love between Ashkenazi Jews and the Russian Czar, they didn’t identify with Germany either.

    Yiddish was a Germanic language (written in the Hebrew alphabet) but the link between the Ashkenazi Jews and Germany had been broken centuries before, long before the unification of Germany and there were no fond memories or memories at all.

    And Americans and Brits also identified Ostjuden as being from Russia and “the East” and not as Germans.

    The German Jews were a different matter and generally speaking German speaking Jews in America did not favor America declaring war on Germany.

  150. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1351297926769872899

    https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1351198931154333702

    Replies: @El Dato, @Mr. Anon, @Buffalo Joe

    MEH, they won’t go away.

  151. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    I think this is good analogy to what is happening today Steve. The same irrational madness occurred back then, too.
     
    Unfortunately, there is one major flaw in the analogy: The U.S. was only at war with Germany for about 18 months (April 6, 1917 to November 11, 1918), but the SJWs are engaged in a perpetual war against white people.

    Imagine a boot stomping on a wiener dog, forever.

    https://blog.history.ac.uk/files/2014/02/german_dog_postcard.jpg

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar, @Peter D. Bredon

    Edward Bernays, nephew of Sigmund Freud, performed unspecified tasks for the US government during WW I. In the 1920’s he wrote the books Propaganda and Crystallizing Public Opinion. He’s regarded as the father of modern advertising. His “Liberty Torch” campaign in 1929 to encourage women to smoke was a masterpiece, with effects that lasted for years.

    Bernays also worked with the US government in the late 1930’s and all through the 1940’s to, shall we say, crystallize public opinion about war via propaganda.

    Propaganda today, such as car commercials, Lifetime movies and series on Netflix, etc. is all more subtle than the anti-Dachshund poster from 1917. Is it more effective? Maybe.

    “Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.”

    – Charles MacKay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds

  152. Unfortunately, there is one major flaw in the analogy: The U.S. was only at war with Germany for about 18 months (April 6, 1917 to November 11, 1918), but the SJWs are engaged in a perpetual war against white people.

    All communities at war are prone to outbursts of xenophobia, especially when their territory is threatened. The US was no more hysterical in its anti-German antics than (overall) were the British (cf. the instances of looting done of German stores in London in the BCC’s GREAT WAR documentary) or the French- British soldiers and assorted other types of observers (e.g. Violet Asquith, the PM’s daughter) are recorded as having witnessed and intervened to prevent abuse of German POW’s by French peasant mobs. North Sea whites being North Sea white, however, and liking nothing more- unless it’s eating an eel sandwich- than being judgmental [email protected] to one another, overlook their own outburst while smugly condemning those of other white countries.

    This is not like 1917 when the US core temporarily turned on foreign elements they were at war with. This is a ruling, alienated elite terrified by nothing worse than some populist rambunctiousness (pathetic how they had to use the heart-condition related deaths of some MAGA protestors to pad their body count) instituting domestic repression.

    As one who advocated “letting it go” in 2020 (can’t win every election, and Trump- not an efficient Command-in-Chief even in his 1st term- would have been totally knee-capped in his 2nd by “resistance” and subversion if he had gotten 4 more years through post-ballot maneuvering) I urge the gloating overlords now in DC to let it go. Please do not reap the whirlwind through your petty need for vengeance against those who caused you to so humiliatingly lose your sh!t over nothing these last 4 years.

  153. Short answer : yes. Now we’re entering the Witch Hunt stage, complete with a mentally impaired president, only with nationalists subbing for communists as the targets. I’m not sure Merrick Garland has the dogged vindictiveness of an A. Mitchell Palmer, but maybe Rachel Levine can be the Brevet Witchfinder General. Who’s your pick for Eugene Debs? Assange maybe?

  154. @Hypnotoad666
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    I think this is good analogy to what is happening today Steve. The same irrational madness occurred back then, too.
     
    Unfortunately, there is one major flaw in the analogy: The U.S. was only at war with Germany for about 18 months (April 6, 1917 to November 11, 1918), but the SJWs are engaged in a perpetual war against white people.

    Imagine a boot stomping on a wiener dog, forever.

    https://blog.history.ac.uk/files/2014/02/german_dog_postcard.jpg

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar, @Peter D. Bredon

    Is that a real dachshund? It looks more like the bonsai variant that is far more popular today. I miss the ones that could really bark.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Reg Cæsar


    Is that a real dachshund? It looks more like the bonsai variant that is far more popular today. I miss the ones that could really bark.
     
    As you probably know, dachshund means "badger hound," and they were allegedly bred to be long and skinny to go down badger holes and get their quarry. I had a dachshund once. It was a sweet dog, but it would have got its ass kicked by a badger, that's for sure.
    , @Known Fact
    @Reg Cæsar

    We had an old one like that little guy on top. Man could he bark if mealtime was five seconds late.

    Doxie people are like some secret society. I was having a hard time with a business rep once, over the phone. When I explained what all that damn noise was coming from under my desk, she suddenly was sweet as sugar to me every time I had to deal with her.

  155. @Abe
    @Art Deco


    His ‘pandering’ consisted of suggesting Charles consider his granddaughter as possible marriage material. (The grand-daughter married someone else).
     
    According to Wikipedia he also encouraged Charles to sow his royal oats first. And that is only what is publicly known. It is established fact Prince Andrew hung out with Jeffrey Epstein who was liquidated in plane sight of the world for what he knew (and only God knows if he was what he seemed or simply a concocted hate-object to avert our eyes wide shut from the REAL sex traffickers) Trump’s master class in media reality manipulation is over... for now (passed by a spontaneous Trump 2024 rally on a recent errand, however, and I would probably vote from hell’s heart for Ivanka at this point). Let’s not forget all he taught us, though- at this point there is no crime I would believe our elites incapable of nor any length their media lackeys would not go to to cover up said crimes. Believing that British aristocrats have a large, and largely willing, stable of [email protected] they might trade amongst themselves hardly seems like a stretch.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Jeffrey Epstein who was liquidated in plane sight

    Typo, or pun?

  156. @Reg Cæsar
    @Hypnotoad666

    Is that a real dachshund? It looks more like the bonsai variant that is far more popular today. I miss the ones that could really bark.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2c/54/2f/2c542fbd1650d3afcf5dfe53f4c7d49d.jpg

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Known Fact

    Is that a real dachshund? It looks more like the bonsai variant that is far more popular today. I miss the ones that could really bark.

    As you probably know, dachshund means “badger hound,” and they were allegedly bred to be long and skinny to go down badger holes and get their quarry. I had a dachshund once. It was a sweet dog, but it would have got its ass kicked by a badger, that’s for sure.

  157. @NJ Transit Commuter
    My great great uncle told me about this. He was a school boy at the time. He recalled how all of the sudden one day the newspapers were full of anti German (both the country and ethnicity) propaganda and the teachers at his schools started teaching anti-German propaganda.

    He remembers being so confused because he couldn’t understand how the Germans could become such bad people overnight. (Children’s innocence can provide a refreshingly clear view!)

    This is something that has been scratched out of history to a frighteningly large degree, so I remember being surprised, listening to him describe this. And it scared me because as an American I wanted to believe that Americans are free thinkers and not so susceptible to government propaganda and coercion.

    I think this is good analogy to what is happening today Steve. The same irrational madness occurred back then, too. There is a church in Trenton, NJ that had the graves of the Hessian mercenaries that were killed in the battle of Trenton in December 1776. The 1917 SJWs dug up the remains and dumped them in the Delaware River. How long before we start seeing this happen at Confederate cemeteries?

    Replies: @Polistra, @Steve Sailer, @Elli, @Hannah Katz, @Hans, @John Up North, @R.G. Camara, @Hypnotoad666, @John Up North, @Anonymous, @Anon

    There is a mass grave and marker on Chicago’s Southside that contains the remains of many hundreds of Confederate POWs who had been imprisoned at Camp Douglas. I believe most of the men died of cholera. I hope know one disturbs them in this era of hysteria.

    • Replies: @John Up North
    @John Up North

    *no one*

  158. @Dan Hayes
    The deGermanization of all things that took (and is still taking) place in America is mild compared to what has been and is still taking place in Germany!

    Replies: @Malla, @Herzog, @Stan d Mute

    Good quip, and true to boot, unfortunately.

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
  159. @Desiderius
    @PiltdownMan

    Anyone here want to take a go at the appeal of Goethe?

    He famously translates less well to the modern idiom than any other past genius and I have the vaguest sense of his greatness but would love to hear from a connoisseur.

    Replies: @Lot, @scrivener3, @Dieter Kief, @Herzog

    “ Anyone here want to take a go at the appeal of Goethe?

    He famously translates less well…”

    He was a proto-romantic who had almost no direct competition. He also wrote a giant best seller at 24 which is inherently glamorous.

    As for translation, Sorrows and Faust were best sellers in translation in all the major Western European languages.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Lot

    Translates across time, not space.

    C’mon Lot, I already know all that. He wasn’t just some Dickens.

  160. Off Topic, but:

    Didn’t see the inauguration, did Biden do the black-girl poem thing?

    Love it when they do the black-girl poet thing.

    Obama mixed-it up in 2012 when he did the gay-guy poet thing.

    Glad Biden brought back the traditional black-girl poet thing.

    I’m gonna take a wild guess, the poem was about her hair.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Tim

    https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1352086207753162752

    https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1352329912594513920

  161. @The Alarmist

    By the time America finally calmed down under Harding’s “return to normalcy,” German-Americans had learned to keep their heads down.
     
    Eisenhower and Morgenthau exported the programme to the Fatherland after WW2, where the locals learned not just to keep their heads down, but seem to actually revel in their own long-term extirpation.

    https://euractiv.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/09/refugees_welcome_berlin.jpeg

    Replies: @El Dato, @Herzog

    A little language input: Eisenhower and Morgenthau are both transparently German names, with the first translating as “iron hewer” and the second as “morning dew.” Eisenhower would be spelled Eisenhauer according to German conventions, but pronounced the same as in English.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Herzog

    Given the anti-German hysteria during WW1, it was a good thing for Herbert Huber that his family had ling since Anglicised the name.

  162. “The Sedition Act of 1918 doubled down, proscribing up to twenty years’ imprisonment for publishing disloyal language about the government of the United States. Socialist Party leader Eugene Debs was imprisoned for a speech outlining the anticapitalist critique of war until President Harding pardoned Debs and invited him to the White House.”

    I believe you meant prescribing instead of “proscribing”.

  163. @John Up North
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    There is a mass grave and marker on Chicago's Southside that contains the remains of many hundreds of Confederate POWs who had been imprisoned at Camp Douglas. I believe most of the men died of cholera. I hope know one disturbs them in this era of hysteria.

    Replies: @John Up North

    *no one*

  164. @Abe
    @Clyde


    In England the British Royal Family scurried to change their last names.
     
    I was reading Churchill’s history of WWI and he kept referring to a certain “Prince Louis” without ever actually bothering to establish who this personage was. Well, Wikipedia to the rescue!- apparently the No. 2 at the Royal Navy (an institution back then probably more important than Parliament or even the monarchy) was a plucky German immigrant who had enlisted as a 14-year old cadet and worked his way up on the basis of nothing but pluck and- oh yeah- princely title. As a result of the same WWI anti-German feeling he changed the family name to Mountbatten, and his son became a sort of “mentor” (in reality I’m guessing pander) to Prince Charles.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Art Deco, @Herzog

    Mountbatten is nothing else than the anglicization of an underlying German Battenberg, with “berg” being German for “mountain.”

    The German tradition seems to have been upheld, with the utmost discreetion of course, in the British royal family until the generation of Prince Charles. When Prince Charles visited Hamburg about twenty-five years ago, where I happened to live at the time, I was surprised, even stunned to hear him give his official speech in somewhat accented, but otherwise flawless and natural German.

    I’m skeptical though as to whether Prince William could still pull the same feat.

  165. anti-German craze unleashed during the Great War, which shoved German-Americans into becoming the least assertive of our ethnicities

    I doubt theres a connection there. Black Americans have surely suffered more and i wouldn’t describe them as unassertive.

  166. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    How do Germans look? In thinking about the Nazi leadership (a very German bunch if you count Austrians as Germans) it's hard to think of a single "look" - they just look like generic white people. There are some Germans who look like stereotype of the blond haired Aryan but it's not like all (or even a large fraction) of Germans have that look.

    Replies: @Redman, @Stan Adams, @John Johnson, @Buzz Mohawk, @Bannon, @Hypnotoad666, @David In TN

    One day some years ago, I stopped for lunch at a restaurant on the Alabama-Tennessee state line. A group of people were at a nearby table. I realized they were speaking German to each other, obviously German tourists.

    They were dressed and looked just like generic Alabamans or Tennesseans.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @David In TN

    You didn't recognize them as German, God bless you, because massive numbers of German people assimilated as patriotic, loyal, hard-working, peaceful, normal Americans.

    Germans just seem like Americans to you. The fact is, what you think of as Americans are somewhat German. Funny that. You see, it goes in the other direction.

    Again, ponder what Steve wrote about: A big chunk of Americanness is German (or Germanic, if you prefer) but you have been prevented from seeing it. Interesting, isn't it?

    , @Thirdtwin
    @David In TN

    Were you in the Huntsville/Redstone Arsenal area?

    “Originally a chemical weapons manufacturing facility for World War II, in the immediate post-war era it became home to the German rocket scientists that were brought to the US as part of Operation Paperclip.”

    Replies: @David In TN

  167. @Altai
    https://twitter.com/USTechWorkers/status/1351924145257385984

    There are plans afoot for a new immigration bill that will finally solve the problem of US coders not being depressed enough.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Achmed E. Newman, @MEH 0910

    On his first day as president on Wednesday, Joe Biden will send an ambitious immigration reform bill to Congress that would create an eight-year path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, bolster border security with new screening technologies, and deliver aid to Central America.

    The bill, known as the US Citizenship Act of 2021 and outlined in a four-page summary shared with reporters, would represent the most sweeping immigration reform package passed since 1986.

  168. Dog chased by angry badger

  169. @RichardTaylor

    The Great War was thus a war of choice for the U.S., with no Pearl Harbor to incite unanimity. ... the anti-German mania of 1917 was largely political, a contrivance
     
    A good thing about losing high trust society is maybe people won't fall for dumb wars.

    Congress passed the Espionage Act of 1917 to imprison Americans for crimes of “insubordination.”
    The Sedition Act of 1918 doubled down, proscribing up to twenty years’ imprisonment for publishing disloyal language about the government of the United States.
     
    In case anyone thinks obedience to authority just started in 2021.

    Looking back, the whole episode seems embarrassing.
     
    Very. It's painful to think about what we lost by demonizing Germans. THIS is what we should be apologizing for.

    Replies: @Ragno

    It’s painful to think about what we lost by demonizing Germans.

    Much of our essence; much of our soul.

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
  170. @Polynikes
    I had always come across a stat (and I’m paraphrasing because it’s been awhile) that said there were about 1300 German language newspapers pre-WW1 in circulation in the US. Post WW1 that number was down to ~13.

    Maybe it’s apocryphal, but the forced assimilation of Germans used to be taught in history class by some of your more keen history teachers. At least that was the case a couple decades ago.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @Hypnotoad666, @obwandiyag

    There were still German language papers where I live in the 1930s and school was in Pennsylvania Dutch. So much so that octogenarian downtown black women spoke it at the turn of the present century.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @obwandiyag

    Of course the Amish still speak Pennsylvania Dutch to this very day. One thing I have noticed about Pennsylvania Dutch is that the consonant and vowel sounds have shifted to be similar to American English so it sounds like someone with an American accent speaking German. They also mix a lot of English in.

    , @JerseyJeffersonian
    @obwandiyag

    I am Pennsylvania Deutsch from my mother's side. Her grandparents, with the patronymic of Hagy, spoke Pennsylvania Deitsch (as spelled in the dialect) in the home, and my great grandfather, a butcher by trade, in his business, too. It was still a strongly maintained and insular local culture at that time. Even fairly recently those from this culture when speaking in English had a particular lilt/rhythm in their speech, and words from Pennsylvania Deitsch were dropped in from time to time.

    The culture was mostly drawn from various anabaptist sects, with a sprinkling of some others such as Heugenots, some Lutherans in the mix, all being dissenters from the majority religious groups of their homelands who needed to leave for their own safety, and to secure their future prospects. They had by that time learned to stick to themselves by and large. These earlier immigrants were distinct from the later waves of Hoch Deutsch sprechende Volken who came considerably later and populated the midwest along with Texas and Mexico.

    Some of the PA Deutsch came from "peace churches" who shunned military service for religious reasons, and this contributed to their insularity. Law abiding and productive they were as farmers, tradesmen, merchants, and householders. Unpretentious.

    The fall before last my wife & I went with friends to a fest at Stoudt's Brewery. Live music, dancing...it was good to be with my people (but not the "plain" people, Amish, Mennonites, who didn't go in for that sort of thing).

    Schnitz und gnepp, shoofly pie, Cope's dried corn for Thanksgiving, chicken bot boi (great big square egg noodles) with saffron and dumplings on top of the pot, boiled ham with potatoes and green beans served with butter for the mashed potatoes and red wine vinegar for the green beans (and why not on the ham, too), chow chow (pickled vegetable relish). I just made some black walnut gingerbread a few weeks ago (brown sugar & molasses as sweeteners, not your namby pamby gingerbread, that). Oh, and don't forget proper pretzels (my mother grew up in Lititz, with the oldest commercial pretzel bakery in the US just down the street), not those sawdust POS, and those fabulous PA Dutch potato chips righteously cooked in lard (screw those weak sister "chips" from the Yankees tortured in some awful vegetable oil, ick).

    Christmas services at the Moravian Church with the chorus and the brass band.

    Yes. All of these things.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Desiderius

  171. @sidfal
    Perfect timing for those were desperate for the Balfour Declaration, - Germany needed to be the enemy and of course German Americans were simply collateral damage.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    When the German Foreign Office heard about the Balfour Declaration, they wanted to issue their own Balfour Declaration promising Jews the same thing if the Central Powers won. Their Ottoman allies had to point out: Hey, wait a minute, we own Palestine. You can’t go around giving our territory away.

    • Replies: @Jon Halpenny
    @Steve Sailer

    The British took a real risk in capturing Palestine. They had barely enough troops to hold the Western Front. But Lloyd George decided to capture Palestine regardless and he sent many soldiers there. In 1918, the Germans attacked in the west and the British Army only held on by the skin of its teeth.

    There was a lot of controversy in the British Parliament when it was alleged Lloyd George misled the House about the number of troops on the Western Front.

    https://liberalhistory.org.uk/history/the-maurice-debate-9-may-1918/

  172. @Desiderius
    @PiltdownMan

    Anyone here want to take a go at the appeal of Goethe?

    He famously translates less well to the modern idiom than any other past genius and I have the vaguest sense of his greatness but would love to hear from a connoisseur.

    Replies: @Lot, @scrivener3, @Dieter Kief, @Herzog

    I agree, Goethe, Pushkin, Kant, Gogol, all are unapproachable in English translation. A hint at his greatness: In Dr. Faust the good Dr. translates Genesis opening “in the beginning was the ACT”. Normally the passage was translated as “In the beginning was the word [logos]”.

    A different conception of creation.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @scrivener3

    I don’t think the language is the barrier. Pushkin reads like a cross between Dr. Seuss and Roissy, so his appeal is obvious and Dead Souls couldn’t be more relevant. Look at the National Mall.

    So you think it’s about phenomenology? Maybe Dieter will weigh in.

    , @Herzog
    @scrivener3

    I think it's not so much a different translation as a conscious and telling counter thesis the unfortunate Dr. Faust puts forward early on. Remember, he takes the devil's bargain afterward. So, this aggressive variation on one of the most famous Gospel lines likely is an early moniker of where he's headed.

  173. @S. Anonyia
    @Hypnotoad666

    I agree. Generic white Americans stand out among Euros for being more muscular even when not overweight (men and women), and for being relatively tan despite not otherwise having a Mediterranean appearance. Germans come the closest to this look, probably because they are also somewhat pan-European.

    British ancestry is downplayed by a lot of white Americans (we tend to to claim whatever ancestry our most exotic grandparent was), but British and Irish people have a pretty different look than most white Americans. The most noticeable thing is how much paler the British are.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D

    North Central Europeans more often than Brits have the look that was fashionable in the 1960s where the skin tans in the sun while the hair gets blonder (e.g., Robert Redford).

    • Replies: @utu
    @Steve Sailer


    North Central Europeans more often than Brits have the look that was fashionable in the 1960s where the skin tans in the sun while the hair gets blonder
     
    Klaus Kinsky, Terrence Hill (Mario Girotti)
    , @Daniel H
    @Steve Sailer

    North Central Europeans more often than Brits have the look that was fashionable in the 1960s where the skin tans in the sun while the hair gets blonder (e.g., Robert Redford)

    The Scythian look.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Steve Sailer

    That was Huntington Beach, Steve. Hello.

  174. @Herzog
    @The Alarmist

    A little language input: Eisenhower and Morgenthau are both transparently German names, with the first translating as "iron hewer" and the second as "morning dew." Eisenhower would be spelled Eisenhauer according to German conventions, but pronounced the same as in English.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    Given the anti-German hysteria during WW1, it was a good thing for Herbert Huber that his family had ling since Anglicised the name.

  175. Wilson even threatened Anti War Senators like Bob laFollette with prison under the Sedition Act of they opposed the War. Too bad US banks loaned all their money to England and would have closed if the Allies lost the War.

  176. @photondancer
    How did the Postmaster General determine which mails couldn't be sent? were postal staff actually opening envelopes and parcels?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Dacian Julien Soros, @Aardvark

    I have received mail more than a few times from outside the U.S. that was not sealed. I never figured out if the sending country required it to be sent that way or we just didn’t bother re-sealing it on our end.

  177. @S. Anonyia
    @Hypnotoad666

    I agree. Generic white Americans stand out among Euros for being more muscular even when not overweight (men and women), and for being relatively tan despite not otherwise having a Mediterranean appearance. Germans come the closest to this look, probably because they are also somewhat pan-European.

    British ancestry is downplayed by a lot of white Americans (we tend to to claim whatever ancestry our most exotic grandparent was), but British and Irish people have a pretty different look than most white Americans. The most noticeable thing is how much paler the British are.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D

    The most noticeable thing is how much paler the British are.

    You’d be pale too if you lived in a place where the sun rarely shines. When Brits move to sunny Florida or California or Tuscany or the Costa del Sol (and they love to move to sunny climates) they lose that northern pallor.

  178. @Polistra
    And while I know that Steve has already written about this, the stats are brutal and stunning.

    One big leg up in 2014-16, and we now have a complete disconnect with the past.

    Little more than crickets from the MSM. Almost as if some lives don't..

    https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/23905.jpeg

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Poli, of all these Seattle is the most disturbing, but it is what the mayor and city council enabled. If you have the time please watch “Seattle is Dying” followed by “Fight for the Soul of Seattle.” Both are legitimate pieces of journalism produced by the local press. So sad.

    • Thanks: Polistra
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Buffalo Joe

    Seattle is another San Francisco. Lots of tech money and hipsters, but also lots of homeless with drug problems. Due to liberal govt, Seattle has become a mecca for the homeless. Also, high housing prices drive a lot of locals into homelessness.

    Portland is the same, but with a younger transient population.

    Vancouver (in Canada) is the same too, but with fewer high-paying jobs.

    The upper part of the West coast (both on the US and Canada side) is a fairly distinctive region.

    Replies: @black sea

  179. @Known Fact
    @Altai

    Oh, so is Romney now becoming the "severe conservative" he promised us in 2012?

    Replies: @Barnard

    Is Romney going to vote against this nominee? He asked the question, but I don’t see any confirmation he thinks the nomination should fail. It will be a sign as to how vulnerable Romney thinks he is in 2024 as to how many Biden nominees he votes to confirm. I would guess he votes to confirm over half of them.

  180. Anonymous[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter
    My great great uncle told me about this. He was a school boy at the time. He recalled how all of the sudden one day the newspapers were full of anti German (both the country and ethnicity) propaganda and the teachers at his schools started teaching anti-German propaganda.

    He remembers being so confused because he couldn’t understand how the Germans could become such bad people overnight. (Children’s innocence can provide a refreshingly clear view!)

    This is something that has been scratched out of history to a frighteningly large degree, so I remember being surprised, listening to him describe this. And it scared me because as an American I wanted to believe that Americans are free thinkers and not so susceptible to government propaganda and coercion.

    I think this is good analogy to what is happening today Steve. The same irrational madness occurred back then, too. There is a church in Trenton, NJ that had the graves of the Hessian mercenaries that were killed in the battle of Trenton in December 1776. The 1917 SJWs dug up the remains and dumped them in the Delaware River. How long before we start seeing this happen at Confederate cemeteries?

    Replies: @Polistra, @Steve Sailer, @Elli, @Hannah Katz, @Hans, @John Up North, @R.G. Camara, @Hypnotoad666, @John Up North, @Anonymous, @Anon

    The movie Dark City illustrates these concepts the best IMO.

    The Jew views non-Jewish history, culture and practices as only with any utility to the extent that it serves his purposes. Much like people view the practices of a wild dog or wolf without care for what they were doing in the wild prior to domestication. It matters not that there was a record of truth and the things that mattered to your kind of prior generations. Each generation instead must go through life like a puppy, on its own, with obedience instilled, serving a purpose before eventual death.

    This process is more challenging with humans but not impossible perhaps. Why do we not control our curriculum, our schooling, our television programming, our government, which books are published, the press, the media, the availability of contraception and pornography, our borders, our laws and policing, our freedom to associate etc? Because if we did that, we’d be resistant to control and resilient.

    The ironic thing here is that Jews are instead trying to create some sort of mutt-golem rather than refine or cooperate with white nations to their ends. Those other peoples may be more resistent to that project, retaining their culture within the white nations while using the dulling of the societal immune response to their advantage. Others may also bring traits that are not really conducive to Jewish control or power (which includes human capital – not just “Can we get you to comply” but also “Can we do useful work with you”) into the genetic mix.

    As someone else writes, the decline of the high trust (White) society and the limited number of children we are having (as a result of propaganda and contraceptives etc) is a lack of eagerness for war. Generally speaking, Jews have a strong influence but not exactly a control. A civil disobedience is a logical response. If taking up arms, especially in an organized way like an army is a fools errand, the alternative is to resist non-violently.

    The general topic here is what happened during the Wilson administration. There is a reason some Jews describe Wilson as the most pro-Jewish president in US history.

    https://www.haaretz.com/life/books/.premium-which-prez-was-most-pro-jewish-1.5340052

  181. @Jack D
    @Clyde

    The links between British royalty and Germany were much more recent than the Anglo-Saxon invasion. The Saxe-Coburg-Gotha name belonged to Prince Albert, husband of Queen Victoria and so dated back only to the 19th century. Victoria herself was of German extraction dating back to George I. After Queen Anne of the House of Stuart died, the German prince George I (who also was the King of Hanover, a German state) was her closest living Protestant relative and became King. The Stuarts were Scottish not English so Elizabeth I was the last ruler of England who was actually English and the English have been ruled by foreigners for the last 400 years.

    It's very common for the ruling class of a nation to be of a different nationality than the masses. Pre-unification Germany had tons of princely states and the princes were intermarried with other European royalty (who were only supposed to marry fellow royals). Whenever the local line failed in some European country, the next in line was usually one of these German princes.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Flip, @nebulafox, @peterike, @Clyde, @Rob McX, @Anon, @Anonymous

    Whenever the local line failed in some European country, the next in line was usually one of these German princes.

    The Coburg dynasty seems to have been the most fecund in this respect. Bismarck referred to them as “the stud farm of Europe”.

  182. @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    How do Germans look? In thinking about the Nazi leadership (a very German bunch if you count Austrians as Germans) it’s hard to think of a single “look” – they just look like generic white people.

    They certainly have strong cheekbones in contrast to the British but I'm not sure how much of that is due to the Brits liking their fried foods.

    Brits and Scotts tend to be more stout and rounded. Germans are certainly more muscular. Could you tell the difference between a group of Swedes and Germans? Probably not. But I could easily tell the difference between a crowd of Brits and Germans.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Ancient Briton

    My father, a Northern Californian, told me the old joke in his family was: “Wash a Swede and you’ll find a German.”

    There was a lot of (proud) German ancestry in his family, which I guess is why people in my wife’s country say I look German. (That’s how I got this whole “German look” idea here — which started this whole thread.) They say I look German, over there where they really know and respect Germans, but some non-Germanic geniuses here say there is no such look.

    Is there any wonder why I truly believe this whole damned world is a big, fat, tasteless joke full of idiots? It is a Confederacy of Dunces, and you can even find them right here, eating foot long hot dogs with relish. Read the damned book if this makes no sense.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Buzz Mohawk

    One of those books that I heard of but never got around to reading--until a few weeks ago. It's a hoot!

    , @Neil Templeton
    @Buzz Mohawk

    What ev's. I'll get the next round. It's Inauguration. Hail Sir Biden and Queen Kamala.

    , @utu
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “Wash a Swede and you’ll find a German.” - There is a reason why some Germans pretend to be Swedes (Trump father).

  183. @obwandiyag
    @Polynikes

    There were still German language papers where I live in the 1930s and school was in Pennsylvania Dutch. So much so that octogenarian downtown black women spoke it at the turn of the present century.

    Replies: @Jack D, @JerseyJeffersonian

    Of course the Amish still speak Pennsylvania Dutch to this very day. One thing I have noticed about Pennsylvania Dutch is that the consonant and vowel sounds have shifted to be similar to American English so it sounds like someone with an American accent speaking German. They also mix a lot of English in.

  184. @Trinity
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Didn't Don Sutton and Steve Garvey come to blows in the Dodger locker room?

    Back to the article. So America put Japanese Americans in camps, and discriminated against German Americans and Italian Americans during WWII. I heard somewhere that German Americans made up a very significant proportion of America back then so what gives? Americans were so brainwashed to hate everything German that the beloved dachshund lost popularity as a pet. Given that so many dog breeds originated in Germany, dog ownership must have declined considerably.

    Unlike the German American, the Italian American and the Japanese American, Jews were destroying Germany and they had already took over the Soviet Union and World Jewry had declared war on Germany. Jews were POW and placed in camps because they were an actual threat to Germany and Europe for that matter unlike the Japanese American who posed no real threat to America.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @njguy73

    Be careful, Trinity. You are making too much sense. You could become the object of your own name:

    It should be obvious by now to any of us who have lived even a few decades that this world is not, and never has been, at all based on truth or anything remotely approaching what our minds conceive of as making sense or being humane.

    My advice to you: Stop Making Sense.

  185. @anon
    Part of the war effort in 1917 included the "Four Minute Men", who could go into just about anyplace and give a 4 minute long speech. Movie theaters, factories, schools - anywhere. Similar techniques were used in Russia at that time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Minute_Men

    Wilson set up the first propaganda office in the US government. Obviously not the last.

    Because we don't need 4 Minute Men when we have Netflix, HBO, YouTube, Prime, etc. The Narrative surrounds us.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    Wilson set up the first propaganda office in the US government. Obviously not the last.

    Because we don’t need 4 Minute Men when we have Netflix, HBO, YouTube, Prime, etc. The Narrative surrounds us.

    The best propaganda (possibly the only effective kind nowadays) is that which is not recognised as such. It must be disguised as information, entertainment, product advertising, etc.

  186. @Ancient Briton
    @Altai

    Well there's Bud beer and Heinz baked beans - prosit!

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Unladen Swallow

    Also Shiner beer from Texas — didn’t the Lone Star State have a significant influx of Germans, including numerous brewers?

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
    @Known Fact

    You betcha!

    https://youtu.be/vwgwpUcxch4

    Before finding out about Texas Germans I found it odd that UT Austin had a major German studies program, one of whose PhD's is Stephen Flowers, the big runes guy.

    , @John Johnson
    @Known Fact

    Also Shiner beer from Texas — didn’t the Lone Star State have a significant influx of Germans, including numerous brewers?

    This is correct and there are still German towns like Fredericksburg.

    San Antonio is an interesting city since it has both German and Spanish influence.

    Shiner is the official beer of Texas and is clearly from German influence since you don't see bocks hardly anywhere else on tap in the US.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @JMcG
    @Known Fact

    As did Mexico. The best German food I’ve ever eaten outside of Munich was in Mexico City. It wasn’t very good, mind you - like Irish food, in fact; but still the best outside of Germany.

  187. @Steve Sailer
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    They mayor of Madison demanded that a modest memorial in a Madison to Confederate POWs who died in a Union Army POW camp be taken down.

    Replies: @Walsh2, @Arclight, @Jack Armstrong, @Reg Cæsar, @JohnnyWalker123

    She has been in local political office since 2007. It’s curious that only in 2020 did she notice the Confederate statue.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Like the rest of her ilk, she got caught up in the zeitgeist (another verbal contribution from Das Vaterland).

  188. @Steve Sailer
    @S. Anonyia

    North Central Europeans more often than Brits have the look that was fashionable in the 1960s where the skin tans in the sun while the hair gets blonder (e.g., Robert Redford).

    Replies: @utu, @Daniel H, @Buzz Mohawk

    North Central Europeans more often than Brits have the look that was fashionable in the 1960s where the skin tans in the sun while the hair gets blonder

    Klaus Kinsky, Terrence Hill (Mario Girotti)

  189. @Steve Sailer
    @S. Anonyia

    North Central Europeans more often than Brits have the look that was fashionable in the 1960s where the skin tans in the sun while the hair gets blonder (e.g., Robert Redford).

    Replies: @utu, @Daniel H, @Buzz Mohawk

    North Central Europeans more often than Brits have the look that was fashionable in the 1960s where the skin tans in the sun while the hair gets blonder (e.g., Robert Redford)

    The Scythian look.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Daniel H

    The best looking people on earth, now, are eastern Slavs & Baltic peoples.

    No one else can compete. Just search some videos.

  190. @nebulafox
    @Jon Halpenny

    Schumer and his type of Democrat are a dying breed. My sympathy for them is limited because it is emotional nonsense based off a deeply outdated vision of Israel as a "Western" country, but there's nothing to suggest that it isn't anything more significant than genuine affection. The wokesters are much more likely to deem Israel a neo-South Africa. Cooler heads than that will probably prevail, but I strongly suspect anti-Israeli sentiment will start manifesting in the future Democratic Party.

    One thing we really do have in common with the latter USSR is the age of our political class: ours is actually older, on average! At a time when your country needs drastic, wide-sweeping structural reforms, this is really unhelpful. And the Russians had the excuse of having 20 million+ men wiped out by WWII, with the resulting demographic punch. We just have a corrupt, overweening elite determined to loot as much as they can before they die, remaining in power via inertia.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Peter D. Bredon

    ” And the Russians had the excuse of having 20 million+ men wiped out by WWII, with the resulting demographic punch.”

    Flooding the country with 10s of millions of nonwhite immigrant has the same net effect.

    • Agree: Charon
  191. @Buffalo Joe
    @Polistra

    Poli, of all these Seattle is the most disturbing, but it is what the mayor and city council enabled. If you have the time please watch "Seattle is Dying" followed by "Fight for the Soul of Seattle." Both are legitimate pieces of journalism produced by the local press. So sad.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Seattle is another San Francisco. Lots of tech money and hipsters, but also lots of homeless with drug problems. Due to liberal govt, Seattle has become a mecca for the homeless. Also, high housing prices drive a lot of locals into homelessness.

    Portland is the same, but with a younger transient population.

    Vancouver (in Canada) is the same too, but with fewer high-paying jobs.

    The upper part of the West coast (both on the US and Canada side) is a fairly distinctive region.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @JohnnyWalker123

    When people luck into a beautiful landscape, their first impulse is to find a way to f*ck it up. It's a bit tragic, really.

  192. @Reg Cæsar
    @Hypnotoad666

    Is that a real dachshund? It looks more like the bonsai variant that is far more popular today. I miss the ones that could really bark.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2c/54/2f/2c542fbd1650d3afcf5dfe53f4c7d49d.jpg

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Known Fact

    We had an old one like that little guy on top. Man could he bark if mealtime was five seconds late.

    Doxie people are like some secret society. I was having a hard time with a business rep once, over the phone. When I explained what all that damn noise was coming from under my desk, she suddenly was sweet as sugar to me every time I had to deal with her.

  193. @Mr. Anon
    @MEH 0910

    The whole 911 commission thing is a talking point - they've all been saying it the last few days: Hillary, Pelosi, Comey, AOC, Swallwell, etc.

    How about a 911 commision to investigate 911. A real investigation, that is. That would be fun.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon

    If (IF) Trump really were in league with Putin, a “9/11” type commission is just what he’d want; sort of like a Warren Commission. What they really mean is “not a 9/11” commission, i.e. an honest and thorough investigation, but they can’t really say that.

  194. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D


    A jeweler named Abraham Eliashow – that’s a funny “Russian” name and occupation.
     
    Did German Jews, or Yiddish speaking Jews generally, get targeted in the anti-German pogrom? Or were they were considered non-German in 1917.

    Replies: @Jack D, @James O'Meara

    “Dear Fellow AngloSaxons…”

  195. @David In TN
    @Jack D

    One day some years ago, I stopped for lunch at a restaurant on the Alabama-Tennessee state line. A group of people were at a nearby table. I realized they were speaking German to each other, obviously German tourists.

    They were dressed and looked just like generic Alabamans or Tennesseans.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Thirdtwin

    You didn’t recognize them as German, God bless you, because massive numbers of German people assimilated as patriotic, loyal, hard-working, peaceful, normal Americans.

    Germans just seem like Americans to you. The fact is, what you think of as Americans are somewhat German. Funny that. You see, it goes in the other direction.

    Again, ponder what Steve wrote about: A big chunk of Americanness is German (or Germanic, if you prefer) but you have been prevented from seeing it. Interesting, isn’t it?

  196. @Mr. Anon
    OT: I suppose Biden, like Clinton before him, wanted a cabinet that "looks like America". Apparently, America looks like Tel Aviv or the Upper West Side. Most of the top jobs in the cabinet save SecDef: State, Treasury, Homeland Security (excuse me "Homeland Security"), plus many others besides: DNI, assistant secretaries, White House chief of staff. Of course, only bad people would notice such a thing. Here is a report of it in the Völkisher Beobachter:

    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/MAGAZINE-enough-for-a-minyan-a-jewish-who-s-who-of-biden-s-cabinet-to-be-1.9464584

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @Grahamsno(G64)

    It’s like that famous New Yorker cover. The view from a Manhattan penthouse is only the Upper West Side and Israel.

    • LOL: Rob McX
  197. @Ancient Briton
    @Altai

    Well there's Bud beer and Heinz baked beans - prosit!

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Unladen Swallow

    Bausch & Lomb, Weyerhauser, Pfizer, Merck.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @Unladen Swallow

    Boeing and Chrysler

  198. @Redman
    @Elli

    I read somewhere that Ron Paul's parents spoke German at home when he was growing up in Pennsylvania. As did Trump's father Fred growing up in New York.

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @Jack D

    “As did Trump’s father Fred growing up in New York.”

    Are you sure you don’t mean Yiddish?

  199. @Thomas
    There's something about the Germans that makes them uniquely vulnerable to the concept of collective guilt. The old Occidental Quarterly writer Yggdrasil once wrote something to the effect that it was no accident that the Protestant Reformation got its start in Germany, because every German needed to get up on the Cross himself as sin was eternal and could never be forgiven, ever. Of course, all of German national self-identity since 1945 in the Fatherland itself has been an expression of self-hatred and a desire for extinction, at least in public.

    https://youtu.be/NeQM1c-XCDc

    It is funny though if you are an American, or at least a White American, who has traveled or lived in Germany, or a German who has traveled or lived in America (at least the parts of America that are mostly White), how familiar many things seem, especially folkways and human physiognomy. Almost as if you had encountered remnants of a lost tribe cut off by an ice age or something. (The cultural drift worked both ways: postwar West Germany assimilated many cultural habits from America.)

    Replies: @Bragadocious

    Americans, I think, got their cleanliness habits from Germans. Americans who live in Britain now remark constantly about the trash on the streets and the personal odor of the native inhabitants.

    • Disagree: utu
  200. @fnn
    https://twitter.com/bluesworldtour2/status/1351484830752534528

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon

    “Proof” i.e. “logic” is a White Male invention designed to marginalize women and people of color, so checkmate!

  201. @nebulafox
    @PiltdownMan

    Judging from online responses, almost nobody outside the punditocracy seems to think Patriot Act 2.0 is a good idea, regardless of ideological predisposition. Yet the government as well as our cultural and economic elites are not just embracing it openly, but enthusiastically: in the name of "protecting democracy". That doesn't bode well.

    >But Biden will make his inaugural address from inside an armed camp, ringed by what a senior security official says will be 26,000 National Guard and up to 15,000 police, FBI and federal law enforcement officers.

    Who were disarmed. Strange thing to do in the face of a supposed insurgency. What was the point of that, exactly?

    >Biden’s fundamental challenge — even as he issues executive orders on immigration, climate change, the pandemic and a host of other domestic problems — is to root out the insurgency.

    Treating half the country as prone to insurgency on a good day out the gate is a sure recipe for creating a real one.

    >Take a page from Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy’s war against the Ku Klux Klan in the South and the Mafia in big cities.

    However inconvenient this is to 1960s mythology, it was was J. Edgar Hoover and his merry men who truly broke the KKK, using means of dubious legality to do so, of course. By the 1970s, every chapter across the South was so swiss-cheesed with federal agents that you could safely assume the FBI knew when the wizard sneezed.

    (Hoover's own views on black people could be charitably described as unenlightened, but they were also in no way atypical or out of the ordinary for Southern whites of his generation. My own prosaic impression is that Hoover just really, really didn't like "disorder", wherever it came from: and what was the KKK if not subversive? By contrast, he saw the Mafia as conducive to preserving it in major urban areas, hence he pretended they didn't exist for a long time. An additional factor behind Operation WHITE HATE was that LBJ was one of the few Presidents Hoover liked and respected on a personal level, with him often babysitting Johnson's daughters in the 1950s. By contrast, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Nixon all considered firing Hoover at one point or another: and all of them chickened out. The implications need not be stated.)

    >But even as the Biden administration attacks the most seditious members of the insurrection, it should consider a tactic that’s quite radical in the current political climate — listening to the other side.

    What would be the point? Our bipartisan elites have made it very clear that they see nothing wrong with America other than the discontents themselves. At any rate, I see no indication that Biden is any more ready to address the deep structural problems that face the United States than his predecessors, especially at his age, so...

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    neb, so the Guardsmen are unarmed in a ‘war zone’ and for what it’s worth MacArthur’s troops who occupied Japan were armed but with no ammo. I guess it is more of an optics thing.

  202. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D


    they just look like generic white people.
     
    To me, Germans look American. Beefy and white, but not especially Nordic looking. Germany is like Ohio on the Rhine until you realize they aren't speaking English.

    On the other hand, there is just something "Euro" looking about Scandinavians and Dutch. It's hard to describe, but it's there.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @S. Anonyia, @David

    I was born in Ohio two hundred yards from the Ohio River. When I traveled in Germany years ago, I felt already perfectly familiar with the meaning of their facial expressions, something I wouldn’t say of any other place outside the English speaking world.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @David

    When I called home after my first week there I had to mentally translate from German to English to talk to my mom. And I’m fifth gen American and only half Deutsch.

    Wall had just come down and my older relatives there were still stunned by reality of DDR vs prior perception. Similar energy here today.

    , @John Johnson
    @David

    I was born in Ohio two hundred yards from the Ohio River. When I traveled in Germany years ago, I felt already perfectly familiar with the meaning of their facial expressions, something I wouldn’t say of any other place outside the English speaking world.

    Germans are much more direct and I have always preferred that over British faggotry oops I mean pleasantries.

    I have wondered if a lot of US racial problems come from British upper class stock wanting to avoid reality in favor of leisure and seclusion. Most of the US upper class types I have met in the US were extremely arrogant even if they couldn't explain why. They really seem to think they are royalty and don't have to defend their ideas or beliefs to anyone.

    Replies: @JackOH

  203. What about the Prohibition? Was it aimed to wipe out German cultural tradition and wealth? Who benefited the most?

    https://themobmuseum.org/blog/world-war-played-key-role-passage-prohibition/
    It fit a convenient narrative to accuse German brewers of subverting the Allied powers. Before, brewers were accused of breaking up families. Now, they were portrayed as breaking apart the very fabric of American society. They had the power to intoxicate and incapacitate American soldiers. Former Wisconsin Lieutenant Governor John Strange summarized this fear in a February 1918 speech:

    “We have German enemies across the water. We have German enemies in this country, too. And the worst of all our German enemies, the most treacherous, the most menacing, are Pabst, Schlitz, Blatz and Miller. They are the worst Germans who ever afflicted themselves on a long-suffering people.”

    Prohibition put booze and Jews in the news
    https://www.jweekly.com/2019/12/24/100-years-ago-prohibition-put-booze-and-jews-in-the-news/

    For private religious observance, Jewish families were allowed 10 gallons of wine per year, equivalent to about 50 standard bottles of 750ml. For a large observant family, “this quantity would be ample,” the article continued primly. “On the other hand, there is and has been such abuse of this privilege as to constitute an out and out scandal in the eyes of the general public.”

    “4 rabbis of L.A. act in liquor case,” said a headline in the Los Angeles Herald in 1920, naming local leaders who were asking to end the sacramental exemption for Jews. “At present, orthodox rabbis issue permits to members of their congregations,” the rabbis’ joint letter said. “Many persons join the synagogues merely to secure the sacramental wines. In addition, the rabbi is given a dollar for each permit and is understood in many cases to secure a commission on the wine sold.”

    How Prohibition restructured NYC real estate and architecture (and built the Seagram Building)
    https://www.6sqft.com/how-prohibition-restructured-nyc-real-estate-and-architecture-and-built-the-seagram-building/

    The arrival of Canadian bootleggers

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
    @utu

    I've always seen it presented at an attack on the Irish and Italian immigrants, never a mention of Germans.

    Prohibition was a great own goal for the goody-goody Whites. People learned to treat the law with contempt not respect, especially when they were sitting in a speakeasy surrounded by the mayor and a Supreme Court justice. That's where the learned to fraternize with Jews for the first time, and bootleggers became the first Jews ever invited to some "upper class" households. It gave organized crime it's big boost, with Jews pulling the strings behind the Italians.

    , @utu
    @utu

    https://legacy.ghi-dc.org/fileadmin/user_upload/GHI_Washington/Publications/Bulletin53/bu53_031.pdf

    When Pabst, Schlitz, and Miller marketed beer gardens as a family- friendly role model for an alternative drinking culture, sponsored cultural activities on a large scale, and advertised their lager beer as a “healthy” drink compared with other alcoholic beverages, especially with hard liquor, they were attempting to infuse their American en- vironment with a distinct German spirit. This is not to say that they carved out an ethnic niche for an autonomous German subculture; their ambition seems to have been to improve mainstream Ameri- can culture, which they fully embraced, by introducing elements of German tradition. This led to a cultural clash with both Progressive reformers for whom Americanism had to be “100-percent pure” and with the temperance movement that adapted the Progressive view- point to argue that prohibiting beer consumption was the central necessity in order to achieve a “100-percent pure” American culture.

    Unlike saloons, beer gardens — in most cases not gardens proper but large beer halls — were commodious and well-lit, sometimes with folksy artwork on whitewashed walls and unsoiled sand rather than soggy sawdust on the floor. Patrons sat at long tables and enjoyed lager beer almost exclusively along with a hearty meal. Beer garden halls were family affairs, and even all-male drinking parties appeared to first-time visitors as remarkably calm. The largest beer gardens included shooting galleries and bowling al- leys and often featured a wide variety of live music performances ranging from German folk music to classical pieces.

    Indeed, it seems fair to say that the Germans were among the immigrant groups that suffered most from the temperance move- ment and Prohibition. German immigrants had been particularly successful in becoming part of the American mainstream while nevertheless maintaining a quantum of “Germanness” before World War I. The owners of the big breweries who left a visible architectural and organizational imprint — in landmarks, for example, like the Milwaukee City Hall — had self-consciously attempted to spread a measure of German civic culture and make the American mainstream a little more Germanic. Part and parcel of this endeavor had been the establishment of beer gardens and a civilized, convivial drinking culture that was an alternative to the raucous and vio- lent saloon.

    The Prohibition movement undid some of this assimilation and ostracized the Ger- mans precisely on account of their “Ger- manness,” turning them back into an ethnic minority. Prohibition wiped out the beer-garden culture and paved the way for cheap speakeasies that were worse than the most degenerate saloons.

    , @Steve Sailer
    @utu

    German brewers donated to anti-Prohibition candidates and also anti-women's suffrage candidates, since the two were seen to be linked.

  204. @Trinity
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Didn't Don Sutton and Steve Garvey come to blows in the Dodger locker room?

    Back to the article. So America put Japanese Americans in camps, and discriminated against German Americans and Italian Americans during WWII. I heard somewhere that German Americans made up a very significant proportion of America back then so what gives? Americans were so brainwashed to hate everything German that the beloved dachshund lost popularity as a pet. Given that so many dog breeds originated in Germany, dog ownership must have declined considerably.

    Unlike the German American, the Italian American and the Japanese American, Jews were destroying Germany and they had already took over the Soviet Union and World Jewry had declared war on Germany. Jews were POW and placed in camps because they were an actual threat to Germany and Europe for that matter unlike the Japanese American who posed no real threat to America.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @njguy73

    Yes, Sutton (a Alabama native) and Garvey (a Michigan alum) did have a fight. It was either about Sutton’s comments on Mrs. Garvey, or about Sutton saying that Reggie Smith was really the Dodgers’ best player. When asked about the fight, Sutton said,

    “You’re not going to believe this, but he was trying to convince me that the Big Ten was better than the SEC.”

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @njguy73

    As frequently mentioned in articles and books (especially by Steve Garvey's ex-wife Cyndy) on the 70s Dodgers, many of the players disliked Steve Garvey due to his publicity and playing up to the media.

    Garvey and his old teammates seem to get along now. I read years ago that Garvey and Sutton had made up.

    , @Trinity
    @njguy73

    Thanks for the 411. I know the Oakland A's had some locker room squabbles back in the day or should I say Reggie Jackson had some fights with Bill North and Mike "Super Jew" Epstein. Unlike Bill North and Billy Martin, Epstein was a big man and reportedly kicked Jackson's ass. Remember seeing him and Frank Howard the Washington Monument when they both played for the Senators at Baltimore's old Memorial Stadium. Those guys looked like giants to a little boy. I believe Vida Blue and Blue Moon Odom of the A's nearly came to blows as well. The Amazing A's of the Seventies, definitely one of the most underrated dynasties in sports. Seems like Reggie had a problem every where he went. He reminds me of a certain group of people.

    Best teams of the 1970s

    1. Reds
    2. Yankees
    3. A's
    4. Orioles

    Replies: @Marty

  205. …had long since Anglicised the name.

  206. @Unladen Swallow
    @Ancient Briton

    Bausch & Lomb, Weyerhauser, Pfizer, Merck.

    Replies: @Flip

    Boeing and Chrysler

  207. @Lot
    @Desiderius

    “ Anyone here want to take a go at the appeal of Goethe?

    He famously translates less well...”

    He was a proto-romantic who had almost no direct competition. He also wrote a giant best seller at 24 which is inherently glamorous.

    As for translation, Sorrows and Faust were best sellers in translation in all the major Western European languages.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Translates across time, not space.

    C’mon Lot, I already know all that. He wasn’t just some Dickens.

  208. Germans were ‘purged’ from NYC before WWI. There was (now forgotten probably because it happened to Germans) 1904 PS General Slocum fire from which German community in Manhttan never recovered.

    https://www.villagepreservation.org/2011/06/15/a-look-back-at-the-general-slocum-disaster/
    The General Slocum Disaster played a role in the building’s transformation from a German church to a synagogue. As its victims were nearly all German women and children, among the major social impacts of the disaster was the migration of the remaining German men to outlying neighborhoods (bear in mind that in the decades prior to the disaster the neighborhood had been known as Kleindeutschland, or “Little Germany,” and housed the largest German-speaking population in the world outside of Vienna and Berlin). With the fleeing of much of the German population, a Jewish Lower East Side began to emerge. The Community Synagogue and the General Slocum Disaster were quite literally at the center of the beginning of this transition.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @utu

    The disaster probably played a part but Germany was becoming more prosperous so German immigration was slowing down and the older Germans were assimilating and moving uptown from the miserable tenements of the Lower East Side anyway. The LES was always a STARTING point for new Americans but you would get out of there as soon as you could afford better.

    Later Yorkville on the Upper East Side became German and Austro-Hungarian - still working class but less miserable than the LES. When I arrived in NY in the late 70s there were still a fair number of German and Hungarian businesses along E. 86th St. - bakeries and restaurants and butcher shops and specialty food shops, etc. - now I think it's down to 1 German butcher shop and 1 German restaurant.

  209. @David
    @Hypnotoad666

    I was born in Ohio two hundred yards from the Ohio River. When I traveled in Germany years ago, I felt already perfectly familiar with the meaning of their facial expressions, something I wouldn't say of any other place outside the English speaking world.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @John Johnson

    When I called home after my first week there I had to mentally translate from German to English to talk to my mom. And I’m fifth gen American and only half Deutsch.

    Wall had just come down and my older relatives there were still stunned by reality of DDR vs prior perception. Similar energy here today.

  210. @Steve Sailer
    @S. Anonyia

    North Central Europeans more often than Brits have the look that was fashionable in the 1960s where the skin tans in the sun while the hair gets blonder (e.g., Robert Redford).

    Replies: @utu, @Daniel H, @Buzz Mohawk

    That was Huntington Beach, Steve. Hello.

  211. @scrivener3
    @Desiderius

    I agree, Goethe, Pushkin, Kant, Gogol, all are unapproachable in English translation. A hint at his greatness: In Dr. Faust the good Dr. translates Genesis opening "in the beginning was the ACT". Normally the passage was translated as "In the beginning was the word [logos]".

    A different conception of creation.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Herzog

    I don’t think the language is the barrier. Pushkin reads like a cross between Dr. Seuss and Roissy, so his appeal is obvious and Dead Souls couldn’t be more relevant. Look at the National Mall.

    So you think it’s about phenomenology? Maybe Dieter will weigh in.

  212. We didn’t have tech monopolies back then to censor free speech for us for free, so the Postmaster General was instructed to block from the mails any document questioning American involvement.

    As Republican critics of “big government” keep telling us, private enterprise can do things much more efficiently than the state, and at half the price. Censorship is no exception.

  213. @nebulafox
    @Altai

    Scrapping the visa caps on India is going to utterly destroy non-senior level software developers in America, and that includes other immigrant groups as much as American citizens.

    There's a special level of personal anger for me over this because software remains one of the few paths forward which has a relatively high BS threshold: which makes it one of the few paths left to a bourgeois existence for young people who aren't good at the schmoozing game. Given the unadulterated contempt and fear that the modern bien-pensant Left has for young men who fail to fit the woke striver model, which is heavily based on social skills and connections, it doesn't surprise me at all that the HR/MBA crowd would go after it.

    Replies: @anon

    Scrapping the visa caps on India is going to utterly destroy non-senior level software developers in America, and that includes other immigrant groups as much as American citizens.

    Feature, not bug. Just ask the management of Micro$oft. Or Google. Or Intel. Or…

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @anon

    Yeah, it was what happened to Hoseong Ryu that really hit it home. Now, I think Ryu had other strikes against him besides race: he was in his 40s, married and a father, and employers really prefer guys in their 20s who have "passion". But the notion that *Koreans*, whatever else you can say about them, are likely to be lazy or unmotivated... I know stereotypes are just that, stereotypes, but unavoidable red-flag there.

    South Asians can be very variable: the guys from high-octane mathematics backgrounds can definitely hold their own against anybody. It's the random code-wallahs you have to watch. Thing is, they are a lot more loquacious than Eastern Europeans or East Asians and they also have the English bonus, so they are a lot more likely to dominate middle management. And when they do, be prepared for anything, including even relatives being invited in through the back door.

    (I should note that things can differ in other countries. Take Singapore. The local ethnic Indians, like their Chinese and Malay counterparts, tend to be pretty different from their co-ethnics back in China/Malaysia/Indonesia/India. And FOB Indians who are able to stay in Singapore are able to stay for a reason, given the implicit immigration discrimination against them. It's hard to BS your way into Singapore regardless of your race, but being Indian instead of white or East Asian takes that difficulty from hard to nigh impossible.)

  214. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Abe

    On the contrary, I find Germans to be goofy, insouciant, and mouthy. They talk in a very immoderate manner, not even realizing how provocative they're being, until you've had enough of their bullcrap and you tell them to shut the hell up or you're going to clock them, whereupon they engage in a curious mixture of groveling and rationalization which actually concedes nothing. I don't care much for Germans.

    Replies: @anon, @Peter D. Bredon

    Dude, please learn the difference between present tense and past tense. You’ll be better for it.

    • Troll: Charon
  215. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Serious answer: I would think the best way to blend in would be to marry a foreign looking woman. East Asian, South Asian, or Latin would all do nicely.

    Replies: @Anon

    Didn’t Hiltler round up jewish members of a mixed family?

  216. @Bannon
    @Jack D

    In reply to Jack D: Germans look like "generic white people" to an American eye, because a HUGE portion of white Americans are of significant German descent. They also look that way because what registers as "generic white" is the more nordic white -- the Germanic states, the UK, and France. Those three branches are sort of genetically the same.

    Small side point: I am of heavily German descent and didn't even know it until I was about 40 and was tracing my roots. I think because of WWI, most German whites in America just stopped talking about it, even it to their own kids. (I can't speak with authority -- my descent was not from 19th century immigrants, but rather pre-Revolution.)

    Replies: @deep anonymous

    My paternal grandparents emigrated to the U.S. from Eastern Europe in the early 1900s. (They were Donau-Schwaben.) They spoke German at home. When the anti-German hysteria broke out, one of my grandfather’s closest American friends stopped speaking to him and never spoke to him again.

    My father told me none of this. I did not even know I was half-German (other half Irish) until an older brother became interested in our family genealogy. That brother undertook to interview every elder relative, and a paternal aunt told him a great deal about her German heritage that we previously had never known. He also researched church records and archives throughout central and Eastern Europe and learned that most of our relatives who had remained in Europe were liquidated in the aftermath of WWII or died fighting in the war (of course on the NS side). I found out none of this until the 1990s.

    • Thanks: bomag
  217. @Redman
    @Elli

    I read somewhere that Ron Paul's parents spoke German at home when he was growing up in Pennsylvania. As did Trump's father Fred growing up in New York.

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @Jack D

    It’s extremely common for immigrants to speak their native language at home to their spouses and children. It would have be unusual if Fred’s parents HADN’T spoken to German to each other and to their children. Elizabeth Trump arrived in the US at age 21, probably not knowing a word of English. I’d bet that she always spoke English poorly and with a heavy German accent and it would have been much more comfortable and natural for the family to communicate with each other at home in German.

    • Replies: @Peterike
    @Jack D

    “ I’d bet that she always spoke English poorly and with a heavy German accent and it would have been much more comfortable and natural for the family to communicate with each other at home in German.”

    You don’t know Germans. I’ve know dozens of off the boat Germans in New York and they all spoke English perfectly while conversing in German amongst themselves.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Dube

  218. @Hypnotoad666
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    I think this is good analogy to what is happening today Steve. The same irrational madness occurred back then, too.
     
    Unfortunately, there is one major flaw in the analogy: The U.S. was only at war with Germany for about 18 months (April 6, 1917 to November 11, 1918), but the SJWs are engaged in a perpetual war against white people.

    Imagine a boot stomping on a wiener dog, forever.

    https://blog.history.ac.uk/files/2014/02/german_dog_postcard.jpg

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar, @Peter D. Bredon

    “Breed”? Isn’t that racist?

    Also, notice it’s not a German Shepard. Like PETA activists who throw red paint on old society women with fur coats, but not leather-jacketed Hell’s Angels.

  219. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Abe

    On the contrary, I find Germans to be goofy, insouciant, and mouthy. They talk in a very immoderate manner, not even realizing how provocative they're being, until you've had enough of their bullcrap and you tell them to shut the hell up or you're going to clock them, whereupon they engage in a curious mixture of groveling and rationalization which actually concedes nothing. I don't care much for Germans.

    Replies: @anon, @Peter D. Bredon

    “The Hun is either at your throat or at your feet.”

  220. @Polynikes
    @James Speaks

    Agree. In the Midwest there are still some German traditions. Oktoberfest being a big one, and in places like Wisconsin it is quite ubiquitous. I believe Ft Wayne has a large summer fest called German-fest. But in many ways English and German ancestry sort of melded a culture together—the much maligned WASPs as the dominant US culture writ large.

    Some day that’ll be gone too as Cinco de mayo overtakes the 4th of July as the nations holiday.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon

    Amusingly, across the country, COVID restrictions have been a big bonus for kitschy “biergartens” that count as “outdoor dining” while traditional indoor restaurants, bars and taverns are dropping like flies. Revenge of the Hun!

  221. @utu
    Germans were 'purged' from NYC before WWI. There was (now forgotten probably because it happened to Germans) 1904 PS General Slocum fire from which German community in Manhttan never recovered.

    https://www.villagepreservation.org/2011/06/15/a-look-back-at-the-general-slocum-disaster/
    The General Slocum Disaster played a role in the building’s transformation from a German church to a synagogue. As its victims were nearly all German women and children, among the major social impacts of the disaster was the migration of the remaining German men to outlying neighborhoods (bear in mind that in the decades prior to the disaster the neighborhood had been known as Kleindeutschland, or “Little Germany,” and housed the largest German-speaking population in the world outside of Vienna and Berlin). With the fleeing of much of the German population, a Jewish Lower East Side began to emerge. The Community Synagogue and the General Slocum Disaster were quite literally at the center of the beginning of this transition.
     

    Replies: @Jack D

    The disaster probably played a part but Germany was becoming more prosperous so German immigration was slowing down and the older Germans were assimilating and moving uptown from the miserable tenements of the Lower East Side anyway. The LES was always a STARTING point for new Americans but you would get out of there as soon as you could afford better.

    Later Yorkville on the Upper East Side became German and Austro-Hungarian – still working class but less miserable than the LES. When I arrived in NY in the late 70s there were still a fair number of German and Hungarian businesses along E. 86th St. – bakeries and restaurants and butcher shops and specialty food shops, etc. – now I think it’s down to 1 German butcher shop and 1 German restaurant.

  222. @njguy73
    @Trinity

    Yes, Sutton (a Alabama native) and Garvey (a Michigan alum) did have a fight. It was either about Sutton's comments on Mrs. Garvey, or about Sutton saying that Reggie Smith was really the Dodgers' best player. When asked about the fight, Sutton said,

    "You're not going to believe this, but he was trying to convince me that the Big Ten was better than the SEC."

    Replies: @David In TN, @Trinity

    As frequently mentioned in articles and books (especially by Steve Garvey’s ex-wife Cyndy) on the 70s Dodgers, many of the players disliked Steve Garvey due to his publicity and playing up to the media.

    Garvey and his old teammates seem to get along now. I read years ago that Garvey and Sutton had made up.

  223. @Pat Hannagan
    @Pat Hannagan

    All electronic music extends from Wagner's Prelude to Lohengrin

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqk4bcnBqls

    Replies: @Prester John

    Not to mention just about all motion picture music.

  224. Bad day for German WW2 POWs.

  225. @Known Fact
    @Ancient Briton

    Also Shiner beer from Texas -- didn't the Lone Star State have a significant influx of Germans, including numerous brewers?

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @John Johnson, @JMcG

    You betcha!

    Before finding out about Texas Germans I found it odd that UT Austin had a major German studies program, one of whose PhD’s is Stephen Flowers, the big runes guy.

  226. Anon[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Clyde

    The links between British royalty and Germany were much more recent than the Anglo-Saxon invasion. The Saxe-Coburg-Gotha name belonged to Prince Albert, husband of Queen Victoria and so dated back only to the 19th century. Victoria herself was of German extraction dating back to George I. After Queen Anne of the House of Stuart died, the German prince George I (who also was the King of Hanover, a German state) was her closest living Protestant relative and became King. The Stuarts were Scottish not English so Elizabeth I was the last ruler of England who was actually English and the English have been ruled by foreigners for the last 400 years.

    It's very common for the ruling class of a nation to be of a different nationality than the masses. Pre-unification Germany had tons of princely states and the princes were intermarried with other European royalty (who were only supposed to marry fellow royals). Whenever the local line failed in some European country, the next in line was usually one of these German princes.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Flip, @nebulafox, @peterike, @Clyde, @Rob McX, @Anon, @Anonymous

    @ It’s very common for the ruling class of a nation to be of a different nationality than the masses.

    Thus speaks the Jew? Common in Africa amongst cohabiting tribes, perhaps. Intermarriage between royal spouses (Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon) does not count.

    What you may have in the West is deracinated elites who betray their country and their countrymen for personal gain. And “the masses” recognize them for what they are.

  227. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Steve Sailer

    She has been in local political office since 2007. It's curious that only in 2020 did she notice the Confederate statue.

    Replies: @Prester John

    Like the rest of her ilk, she got caught up in the zeitgeist (another verbal contribution from Das Vaterland).

  228. @Christopher Chantrill
    Poor bloody Germans.

    They invented everything from Romanticism to modern philosophy to automobobbles to modern physics. But we are all carefully taught to think of them as Literally Nazis.

    They even invented the "unconscious."

    Replies: @Deckin, @Anon

    ‘Modern’ philosophy is usually marked as having started with Descartes, FYI. Right around the time Galileo brought forth ‘modern’ science.

  229. @Buzz Mohawk
    @John Johnson

    My father, a Northern Californian, told me the old joke in his family was: "Wash a Swede and you'll find a German."

    There was a lot of (proud) German ancestry in his family, which I guess is why people in my wife's country say I look German. (That's how I got this whole "German look" idea here -- which started this whole thread.) They say I look German, over there where they really know and respect Germans, but some non-Germanic geniuses here say there is no such look.

    Is there any wonder why I truly believe this whole damned world is a big, fat, tasteless joke full of idiots? It is a Confederacy of Dunces, and you can even find them right here, eating foot long hot dogs with relish. Read the damned book if this makes no sense.

    Replies: @Prester John, @Neil Templeton, @utu

    One of those books that I heard of but never got around to reading–until a few weeks ago. It’s a hoot!

  230. People looking for comprehensive info about the German-Americans prior to the two world wars might take a look at the major, prize-winning two-volume study from 1909, entitled “The German Element in the United States, with Special Reference to its Political, Moral, Social, and Educational Influence”.

    Both volumes can be downloaded, in various formats, from archive.org:

    vol. 1: https://archive.org/details/germanelementin07fausgoog

    vol. 2: https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_WBoOAAAAIAAJ

  231. @utu
    What about the Prohibition? Was it aimed to wipe out German cultural tradition and wealth? Who benefited the most?

    https://themobmuseum.org/blog/world-war-played-key-role-passage-prohibition/
    It fit a convenient narrative to accuse German brewers of subverting the Allied powers. Before, brewers were accused of breaking up families. Now, they were portrayed as breaking apart the very fabric of American society. They had the power to intoxicate and incapacitate American soldiers. Former Wisconsin Lieutenant Governor John Strange summarized this fear in a February 1918 speech:

    “We have German enemies across the water. We have German enemies in this country, too. And the worst of all our German enemies, the most treacherous, the most menacing, are Pabst, Schlitz, Blatz and Miller. They are the worst Germans who ever afflicted themselves on a long-suffering people.”
     

    Prohibition put booze and Jews in the news
    https://www.jweekly.com/2019/12/24/100-years-ago-prohibition-put-booze-and-jews-in-the-news/

    For private religious observance, Jewish families were allowed 10 gallons of wine per year, equivalent to about 50 standard bottles of 750ml. For a large observant family, “this quantity would be ample,” the article continued primly. “On the other hand, there is and has been such abuse of this privilege as to constitute an out and out scandal in the eyes of the general public.”

    “4 rabbis of L.A. act in liquor case,” said a headline in the Los Angeles Herald in 1920, naming local leaders who were asking to end the sacramental exemption for Jews. “At present, orthodox rabbis issue permits to members of their congregations,” the rabbis’ joint letter said. “Many persons join the synagogues merely to secure the sacramental wines. In addition, the rabbi is given a dollar for each permit and is understood in many cases to secure a commission on the wine sold.”
     

    How Prohibition restructured NYC real estate and architecture (and built the Seagram Building)
    https://www.6sqft.com/how-prohibition-restructured-nyc-real-estate-and-architecture-and-built-the-seagram-building/

    The arrival of Canadian bootleggers
     

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @utu, @Steve Sailer

    I’ve always seen it presented at an attack on the Irish and Italian immigrants, never a mention of Germans.

    Prohibition was a great own goal for the goody-goody Whites. People learned to treat the law with contempt not respect, especially when they were sitting in a speakeasy surrounded by the mayor and a Supreme Court justice. That’s where the learned to fraternize with Jews for the first time, and bootleggers became the first Jews ever invited to some “upper class” households. It gave organized crime it’s big boost, with Jews pulling the strings behind the Italians.

    • Agree: utu
  232. @The Alarmist
    @James Speaks

    To many Germans, a Beamer is a video projector. You should add Weltanschauung to your list.

    Replies: @James Speaks

    My ancestry is a mix of Mediterranean, Teutonic and Celtic. About 1/3 each. German – about 4%. I know very few German words. Gedanken is my favorite. I will add Weltanschauung to my vocabularly and put learn what Weltanschauung means on my to do list. Maybe I’ll say it out loud before summer.

    BTW, do you speak German? If so, I have a couple a phrases I would like translated into German.

    1. Excuse me! My battle tank accidently ran over your ox cart.
    2. Have a nice weekend and try not to invade Poland.

    • Danke schoen:

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @James Speaks

    I’m not a native speaker, but I think these work out as follows:

    1. Entschuldigung. Mein Panzer hat Ihre Ochsenwagen übergefahren. (You could be much more formal and use ‘Verzeihung’ instead of ‘Entschuldigung.’)

    2. Ich wünsche Ihnen ein schönes Wochenende und bitte nicht in Polen einmarschieren.

  233. @JMcG
    @Achmed E. Newman

    We are Spain in 1935 or 36. The Catholic Church in this country is already a wreck though, and the priests and nuns are more likely to be among the executioners than the executed.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    You know what, Mr. McG, I had agreed with another commenter a while back on that very thought, that the Civil War possibly coming here seems to have sides split along similar lines as Spain in that era. I also doubt very much, especially with that Commie so-called Pope they got running the show now, that the Catholic Church would be on our side. Actual religious people might, though.

    Thanks for the reminder of that thought. I’ve been meaning to get a book about the Spanish Civil War. I don’t recall a single thing about it from high school history.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I’ve been meaning to get a book about the Spanish Civil War.

    Start small, with one single battle...well, ok, one long, drawn out siege.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17251344-the-siege-of-the-alcazar

    I don’t recall a single thing about it from high school history.

    Probably because nothing was taught. Even AP world history doesn't go there.

    , @JMcG
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Antony Beevor’s “Battle for Spain” is probably the most evenhanded recent work. The big histories all write from a perspective of leftist rectitude. I read a little on the subject years ago and never really understood the slaughter on the Republican (leftist) side.

  234. @Reg Cæsar
    Binghamton, N.Y. still boasts Haendel, Mendelsohn, and Hayden Streets (all sic), and the grossly mispronounced Beethoven and Goethe Streets. Schubert and Schiller are probably lucky to have both spelling and pronunciation survive.

    Mozart is present as well. They are across the river from downtown, to the west:

    Binghamton flood stage mapper

    https://pp.walk.sc/tile/e/0/748x600/loc/lat=42.1016201/lng=-75.9339284.png

    Replies: @additionalMike

    Yaphank (pron. Yap-hank) Long Island had a Bund community before WWII, with streets with names like “Adolph Hitler Way.” I saw the original linen maps in the Brookhaven Town planning department years ago.
    My father said that you could sometimes see the Bundists while driving by on the main road, having their outdoor ceremonies or parades, with Bund flags or banners. He remembered his family members making rude gestures at them from the car (family was largely German/Austrian descent), with the Bundists replying in kind.

  235. @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    How do Germans look? In thinking about the Nazi leadership (a very German bunch if you count Austrians as Germans) it’s hard to think of a single “look” – they just look like generic white people.

    They certainly have strong cheekbones in contrast to the British but I'm not sure how much of that is due to the Brits liking their fried foods.

    Brits and Scotts tend to be more stout and rounded. Germans are certainly more muscular. Could you tell the difference between a group of Swedes and Germans? Probably not. But I could easily tell the difference between a crowd of Brits and Germans.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Ancient Briton

    Don’t mention the war!

  236. @Desiderius
    @PiltdownMan

    Anyone here want to take a go at the appeal of Goethe?

    He famously translates less well to the modern idiom than any other past genius and I have the vaguest sense of his greatness but would love to hear from a connoisseur.

    Replies: @Lot, @scrivener3, @Dieter Kief, @Herzog

    Goethe-flashes – – –

    I

    Psychoanalyst Kurt R. Eisssler spent quite a few of his most productive New-York-years writing a biography of Goethe as the evolving genius  – the Goethe between 1775 and 1883 (= from 26 to 34 years old). A book of 1538 pages. There is a nice exemplar of it at Amazon right now for 49 dollars – another one sells for 758 dollars – so  – – -.https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000VVTB62/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_vote_lft?ie=UTF8&voteInstanceId=R2SVHD1HW09KCP&voteValue=1&csrfT=giK1YsSabjiO%2F3ysthe%2FvHKeT1LM06l%2BXTAr2YcAAAABAAAAAGAIt0hyYXcAAAAA%2B4kUEk%2F7iMGR3xPcX6iU&returnFromLogin=1#R2SVHD1HW09KCP&

    II

    Goethe was for quite some time the individual we knew most about on a day to day basis. He died at 82 years. He cultivated a friendship with the polyhistor, linguist, and Weimar Superintendent Herder and the (play)wright Schiller (Letters Concerning the Aesthetical Education of Mankind, Wilhelm Tell, the Ode to Joy in Beethoven’s 9th Symphony).

    III

    He helped bring the Jena University to fruition, which (after him) saw the likes of Frege (Wittgenstein-predecessor), Haeckel (Darwin-predecessor), and during his time – Schelling, Schiller, Hegel, Brentano (folksong-collector – hard to over appreciate), Marx… Carl Zeiss, Ernst Abbe (abbe- prism…) and Otto Schott (Schott glass).
    Goethe initiated geological research in Jena (he had one of the three foremost geological collections in Europe), and Chemistry, and Biology. He made sure that all kinds of sculls were brought to Jena from the Grand-Duchy of Sachse-Weimar-Eisenach, which he served as a minister for the interior and the roads and mining). He did the design and oversee the construction of one of the most beautiful German country roads – the one between Weimar and Jena.

    His little essay On the Granite is the most astonishing modern text about science I know of (it’s Popper in a nutshell, more concise and with less unnecessary – complications – than Popper’s thinking).
     
    He challenged Newton in his lifelong studies of the optical field. It took about two hundred years before his optical studies were taken rather seriously and – : – are now more and more understood as a model, which fits in nicely with the findings of modern physics. Goethe’s theory is founded by the idea that there are – dark rays (Dunkelstrahlung) – something which is now widely accepted in physics but was for a long time looked upon as just one more hint, that Goethe missed out completely in this field. For a starter: He conducted and described meticulously some fifty optical experiments – and all of them show what he did want to show with them – and are replicable without exception. – Roughly a dozen of loosely connected physicists all over Europe are now working on Goethe’s optical studies. Almost all of his biographers were spectacularly wrong in this regard – including Eissler and an otherwise very good and approachable one, who’s Goethe biography is translated into English: Rüdiger Safranski).

    IV

    Goethe understood quite a bit of economics – he is the first to have made use of the sealed bid auction method, which became rather popular with eBay (the best known German publisher of the 20th century, Siegfried Unseld, did write about this fact – before eBay – at some length).

    V

    Then Goethe wrote about sex, witchcraft, sorcery, science, economy, (Mick Jagger’s) devil, and the truth (Faust I + II), and he impressed Nietzsche and the gentle giant Jean-Paul and the most playful of the German intellectuals – Heinrich Heine – and had a beautiful work-relationship with Friedrich von Schiller. Lots of his poems were set to music by a dozen or so great Musicians (the last one I know of being Randy Newman (Faust)).

    Yep – his bestselling novel Werther, mentioned on the Chicago statue Steve Sailer writes about, – oh – this fast and furious little book which he wrote as a 24-year-old in a few weeks, is very close to puberty as a map of the prototypical turmoils of early adulthood. It made him well known all over Europe. He felt reluctant about the fame this book brought him. – I just pinned it down – cool it, was his attitude when confronted with admirers (fans) of his biggest success during his lifetime.

    His Maxims and Reflections – a collection of thoughts, sentences, aphorisms, is a book I carry with me quite often. – It’s one of my ten favorite books – for quite some time now. 

    I have very little experience with English translations of Goethe. His words have a frequency/or harmony/rhythm of the Frankfurtian Rhine-Main-dialect-sound to them. – Rough and melodic. Raspy. Apple-wine-tinted.

    His prose is clear and edgy while being charming. – The eternal older brother.

    I love, admire, and enjoy his description of his third Swiss Journey a lot (Die Schweizerreise von 1797).

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Dieter Kief

    Ah Dieter, mein(e?) am liebsten. Knew I could count on you.

    Just beautiful.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    , @JMcG
    @Dieter Kief

    Thank you, Dieter. I will surely look into some of these. Good luck to you!

  237. @James Speaks

    Keep in mind that Wilson’s anti-German clampdown of 1917 was not wholly unwarranted by German bad behavior.

    For instance, in July 1916, German agents blew up a thousand tons of munitions destined for Czarist Russia on Black Tom Island in New York Harbor. Thousands of windows were smashed in Manhattan and the Statue of Liberty was permanently damaged.
     

    In the current climate, whites are vilified for not being obsequious enough and negroes are exalted for destroying cultural landmarks as well as our culture. Dark times, indeed.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    Keep in mind that Hitler’s anti-Jewish clampdown of 1938 was not wholly unwarranted by Jewish bad behavior.

    For instance, in April 1919, Jewish agents overthrew the government and formed the Bavarian Soviet Republic. Hundreds of Freikorp were killed in the fight to restore order.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    That's a ridiculously stretched and thin analogy. Wilson's clampdown occurred in the midst of an ongoing war and the Black Tom explosion had occurred only a year before. The Bavarian Soviet Republic had been extinct for 20 year by the time of Kristallnacht and was not a solely "Jewish" action to begin with. Max Levien for example, despite his "Jewish" sounding name, was of Huguenot descent (real name Lavigne).

    Replies: @Peterike

  238. @Polistra
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    An old timer told me that during WWII people in NYC would kick wiener dogs on the street.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Eric Novak

    Yes indeed, my grandmother related kick-the-dachshund tales in Chicago as well. She was ten years old at the outbreak of WWI. Suddenly, everyone hated the Germans on Lincoln Ave. After the war, German street names were changed. Somehow Goethe on the Gold Coast survived.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @Eric Novak

    And Schiller, one block north.

    30 years ago, Goethe was pronounced Go-thee, but people now use the German pronunciation of Gur-tuh.

  239. @Known Fact
    @Ancient Briton

    Also Shiner beer from Texas -- didn't the Lone Star State have a significant influx of Germans, including numerous brewers?

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @John Johnson, @JMcG

    Also Shiner beer from Texas — didn’t the Lone Star State have a significant influx of Germans, including numerous brewers?

    This is correct and there are still German towns like Fredericksburg.

    San Antonio is an interesting city since it has both German and Spanish influence.

    Shiner is the official beer of Texas and is clearly from German influence since you don’t see bocks hardly anywhere else on tap in the US.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @John Johnson


    This is correct and there are still German towns like Fredericksburg.

     

    And the only nine-pin bowling in the land.


    https://s.hdnux.com/photos/42/63/12/9122463/3/gallery_medium.jpg





    Czechs were drawn to the same territory:


    https://250722-778774-raikfcquaxqncofqfm.stackpathdns.com/images/handbook/entries/CC/czech-settlement.jpg

    Replies: @black sea

  240. @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    There's tons of stories like this, and not just in Europe. I've heard that one of the reasons the Japanese imperial family is so private about their various ancestral haunts is that it might reveal Korean origins.

    In the end, though, every king and queen England since 1066 could still trace their line back to Rollo, the original Viking warlord who set up shop in Normandy, in one way or another. And ironically enough, through all the branch shifts, every French royal could also trace their line to Odo of France, the man who turned him and his Viking compatriots back from Paris in 885-886 AD. The early Norman conquerors and Plantagenets didn't consider themselves English at all: England was only one of several holdings they had. French remained the dominant language at court, with English being considered a rude rustic dialect. It was only when they lost their continent possessions that this changed.

    >The Stuarts were Scottish not English so Elizabeth I was the last ruler of England who was actually English and the English have been ruled by foreigners for the last 400 years.

    If we're strictly talking about royalty, maybe... but Oliver Cromwell was English, and after the Stuarts were deposed, the monarchy didn't have real power anyhow.

    >How do Germans look? In thinking about the Nazi leadership (a very German bunch if you count Austrians as Germans) it’s hard to think of a single “look” – they just look like generic white people. There are some Germans who look like stereotype of the blond haired Aryan but it’s not like all (or even a large fraction) of Germans have that look.

    Germany's at the center of Europe, so you have a lot of genetic and linguistic cross-flow. French and Flemish influence in the West and Slavic in the former East: prior to the 1920s, many people in the borderlands spoke a sort of mix between German and Polish.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Thea

    Someone once described modern English as the result of Norman soldiers trying to pick up Anglo-Saxon tavern wenches.

    It doesn’t get more refined and elegant than that!

  241. @Eric Novak
    @Polistra

    Yes indeed, my grandmother related kick-the-dachshund tales in Chicago as well. She was ten years old at the outbreak of WWI. Suddenly, everyone hated the Germans on Lincoln Ave. After the war, German street names were changed. Somehow Goethe on the Gold Coast survived.

    Replies: @Flip

    And Schiller, one block north.

    30 years ago, Goethe was pronounced Go-thee, but people now use the German pronunciation of Gur-tuh.

  242. @David
    @Hypnotoad666

    I was born in Ohio two hundred yards from the Ohio River. When I traveled in Germany years ago, I felt already perfectly familiar with the meaning of their facial expressions, something I wouldn't say of any other place outside the English speaking world.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @John Johnson

    I was born in Ohio two hundred yards from the Ohio River. When I traveled in Germany years ago, I felt already perfectly familiar with the meaning of their facial expressions, something I wouldn’t say of any other place outside the English speaking world.

    Germans are much more direct and I have always preferred that over British faggotry oops I mean pleasantries.

    I have wondered if a lot of US racial problems come from British upper class stock wanting to avoid reality in favor of leisure and seclusion. Most of the US upper class types I have met in the US were extremely arrogant even if they couldn’t explain why. They really seem to think they are royalty and don’t have to defend their ideas or beliefs to anyone.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    @John Johnson

    I have wondered if a lot of US racial problems come from British upper class stock wanting to avoid reality in favor of leisure and seclusion. Most of the US upper class types I have met in the US were extremely arrogant even if they couldn’t explain why. They really seem to think they are royalty and don’t have to defend their ideas or beliefs to anyone.

    I know exactly the type of WASP you're talking about. Grad school, work. Their moneyed ancestors who promoted our bad civil rights laws likely had no clue that in a thousand Midwestern cities Blacks and Whites had actually reached a civil, but wary accommodation with one another. You're right, that among some of those WASPs, a reasonable objection to their thinking is met only with a hostile glare.

    Comment of the month, sir. Thanks.

  243. @scrivener3
    @Desiderius

    I agree, Goethe, Pushkin, Kant, Gogol, all are unapproachable in English translation. A hint at his greatness: In Dr. Faust the good Dr. translates Genesis opening "in the beginning was the ACT". Normally the passage was translated as "In the beginning was the word [logos]".

    A different conception of creation.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Herzog

    I think it’s not so much a different translation as a conscious and telling counter thesis the unfortunate Dr. Faust puts forward early on. Remember, he takes the devil’s bargain afterward. So, this aggressive variation on one of the most famous Gospel lines likely is an early moniker of where he’s headed.

  244. @James Speaks
    @The Alarmist

    My ancestry is a mix of Mediterranean, Teutonic and Celtic. About 1/3 each. German - about 4%. I know very few German words. Gedanken is my favorite. I will add Weltanschauung to my vocabularly and put learn what Weltanschauung means on my to do list. Maybe I'll say it out loud before summer.

    BTW, do you speak German? If so, I have a couple a phrases I would like translated into German.

    1. Excuse me! My battle tank accidently ran over your ox cart.
    2. Have a nice weekend and try not to invade Poland.

    • Danke schoen:

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    I’m not a native speaker, but I think these work out as follows:

    1. Entschuldigung. Mein Panzer hat Ihre Ochsenwagen übergefahren. (You could be much more formal and use ‘Verzeihung’ instead of ‘Entschuldigung.’)

    2. Ich wünsche Ihnen ein schönes Wochenende und bitte nicht in Polen einmarschieren.

    • Thanks: James Speaks
  245. So which group deserves this not wholly unwarranted ostracization (decitizenizing*) today? Leftists and wokesters say whites. Because Emmett Till. How about those who condemn without a factual basis?

    I vote the latter.

    *Decitizenation is a term I coined just now. I will probably live to regret it.

  246. @John Up North
    Chicago was once a heavily German city. German was the language management utilized in the steel mills. Like you said that all changed with The Great War.

    Even in the past few decades a lot of German bars and restaurants have closed on Chicago's Northside; I'm thinking of Zum Deutschen Eck, The Brauhaus, Mirabelles. I believe there is only one German restaurant left in the Lincoln Square neighborhood, Himmels. Many chefs and owners passed away or retired.

    Lincoln Square used to host a Mayfair and an Octoberfest, but not this year because of Covid-19 hysteria. In the past few years the crowds were thinning out at the aforementioned events.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    The Berghoff downtown survives as a pale shadow of its former self, or did prior to COVID, anyway.

    • Replies: @John Up North
    @Hibernian

    Yeah I'm not sure about The Berghoff. You may be right. I don't mind German food, but I know a lot of people who don't like it. Northern and Central European food can be pretty bland.

  247. @Redman
    @Jack D

    That reminds me of a story my Irish Catholic father-in-law once told me.

    He worked for an engineering company in Dublin when the IRS burned the UK Embassy in 1972. His office had a view of the Embassy, and he and his fellow engineers watched the chaos and crowds cheering its destruction. He mentioned that he was against the destruction even though he was Catholic. This admission of Catholicism shocked his fellow engineers who told him he looked Protestant.

    Says a lot about how the human mind works.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Johann Ricke

    “…when the IRS burned the UK Embassy…”

    I imagine the State Department had something to say about that.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Hibernian

    Them IRS boys don't kid around. If you don't pay yer taxes, they're gonna getcha.

  248. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter
    My great great uncle told me about this. He was a school boy at the time. He recalled how all of the sudden one day the newspapers were full of anti German (both the country and ethnicity) propaganda and the teachers at his schools started teaching anti-German propaganda.

    He remembers being so confused because he couldn’t understand how the Germans could become such bad people overnight. (Children’s innocence can provide a refreshingly clear view!)

    This is something that has been scratched out of history to a frighteningly large degree, so I remember being surprised, listening to him describe this. And it scared me because as an American I wanted to believe that Americans are free thinkers and not so susceptible to government propaganda and coercion.

    I think this is good analogy to what is happening today Steve. The same irrational madness occurred back then, too. There is a church in Trenton, NJ that had the graves of the Hessian mercenaries that were killed in the battle of Trenton in December 1776. The 1917 SJWs dug up the remains and dumped them in the Delaware River. How long before we start seeing this happen at Confederate cemeteries?

    Replies: @Polistra, @Steve Sailer, @Elli, @Hannah Katz, @Hans, @John Up North, @R.G. Camara, @Hypnotoad666, @John Up North, @Anonymous, @Anon

    The same irrational madness occurred back then, too. There is a church in Trenton, NJ that had the graves of the Hessian mercenaries that were killed in the battle of Trenton in December 1776. The 1917 SJWs dug up the remains and dumped them in the Delaware River. How long before we start seeing this happen at Confederate cemeteries?

    The country’s filled with brainwashed retards – a significant portion of which carry badges, guns, wear a uniform, and are just waiting for their pension.

    It’s a type of retardation that is no respecter of IQ or education – for instance, take how Unz went full retard with the ‘1,000,000’s DEAD!’ mantra concerning the scamdemic.

    The problem here isn’t simply a matter of low intelligence, the problem is endemic personality disorders with narcissism at its core.

    Christ, all you have to do is go out to dinner, and watch the fucktard couples playing on their phones, making neither eye contact nor conversation with their partner.

    The country’s a bunch of self centered idiots of all IQ levels; paranoid, hysterical, self righteous, vicious and violent in their will to preserve themselves at all costs against even the most absurd imagined/manufactured threats.

    It’s all collapsing under its own weight as we speak.

    • Agree: Trinity
  249. @Desiderius
    @PiltdownMan

    Anyone here want to take a go at the appeal of Goethe?

    He famously translates less well to the modern idiom than any other past genius and I have the vaguest sense of his greatness but would love to hear from a connoisseur.

    Replies: @Lot, @scrivener3, @Dieter Kief, @Herzog

    Obviously, as a German I’m not qualified to have an informed opinion on Goethe’s translatability. Equally, I’m not familiar with the existing English translations, so no input on that either. In general terms though, poetry is notoriously difficult to translate, and even plays in metricized prose can pose considerable difficulties and lose thus much of their linguistic appeal — the plot remains unaffected of course — in translation.

    Which leaves us with pure prose, as in novels, novellas, etc. That’s the branch that Goethe is least famous for in Germany, even though he wrote quite a few prose works too, works that still have wide name recognition among the Germanophone literature aficionados. Probably his prose isn’t bad either — the guy didn’t have it in him to sink below a certain (quite elevated) level — but it’s the part of his writing that I’m least familiar with.

    What I can say is that I find Goethe’s poetry charming, melodious, and sometimes intriguing, ranging over a wide range of forms. His plays too appeal to me, more for their language even than for their plots (which are not bad either, in that respect though, Schiller likely was superior).

    Overall, I find Goethe’s attitude toward people and outlook on life gentle and humane — he was the diametrical opposite of a berserk. In the original German at least, his writings exude a certain levity and grace, and even caustic Nietzsche, who usually had a biting word for everyone, found himself enchanted by them, and praised them highly.

    Also, Mr. Goethe was very open to the charms of the fair sex, yet no casanova or manic womanizer. Finally, he was appalled by the depredations of the French Revolution and its revolutionaries, and expressed it unambiguously in his writings. This costs him with the German left up to this day.

    • Thanks: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Herzog

    I've formed my opinion long ago - Goethe is still alive in some poetry, maxims & a few other areas. His epics, novels, memoirs ... have dimmed. But what remains is magnetism & inexhaustible richness of his incredible & charismatic personality.

    I would agree with Harold Bloom that while Shakespeare stands for the Western canon, Goethe is the symbol of the Western civilization.

  250. @Redman
    @Jack D

    That reminds me of a story my Irish Catholic father-in-law once told me.

    He worked for an engineering company in Dublin when the IRS burned the UK Embassy in 1972. His office had a view of the Embassy, and he and his fellow engineers watched the chaos and crowds cheering its destruction. He mentioned that he was against the destruction even though he was Catholic. This admission of Catholicism shocked his fellow engineers who told him he looked Protestant.

    Says a lot about how the human mind works.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Johann Ricke

    This admission of Catholicism shocked his fellow engineers who told him he looked Protestant.

    Says a lot about how the human mind works.

    My guess is that many of the Protestants are descended from Scotsmen, who are in turn descended from Vikings and Saxons, in addition to the original Celts resident in Scotland. Whereas most of the Catholics are likely descended from the original Celtic residents of Ireland. So there would have been visible differences not obvious to the American eye.

    • Replies: @pirelli
    @Johann Ricke

    Do the Scots really have more of a Viking imprint than the Irish? The Vikings colonized Ireland (and founded Dublin), and later the Viking-descended Normans did the same, and while I don’t know how much of a genetic imprint they left, I imagine it was comparable to what they left in Great Britain.

    You also refer to the Saxon influence in Scotland, but is that really so much greater than in Ireland? Obviously in England it would be greater, but Scotland and Wales I’m not so sure. My guess is that both Scotland and Ireland are still majority Celtic descended, with some Saxon influence (greater but not much greater in Scotland), and relatively minor Viking influence in both places.

  251. @obwandiyag
    @Polynikes

    There were still German language papers where I live in the 1930s and school was in Pennsylvania Dutch. So much so that octogenarian downtown black women spoke it at the turn of the present century.

    Replies: @Jack D, @JerseyJeffersonian

    I am Pennsylvania Deutsch from my mother’s side. Her grandparents, with the patronymic of Hagy, spoke Pennsylvania Deitsch (as spelled in the dialect) in the home, and my great grandfather, a butcher by trade, in his business, too. It was still a strongly maintained and insular local culture at that time. Even fairly recently those from this culture when speaking in English had a particular lilt/rhythm in their speech, and words from Pennsylvania Deitsch were dropped in from time to time.

    The culture was mostly drawn from various anabaptist sects, with a sprinkling of some others such as Heugenots, some Lutherans in the mix, all being dissenters from the majority religious groups of their homelands who needed to leave for their own safety, and to secure their future prospects. They had by that time learned to stick to themselves by and large. These earlier immigrants were distinct from the later waves of Hoch Deutsch sprechende Volken who came considerably later and populated the midwest along with Texas and Mexico.

    Some of the PA Deutsch came from “peace churches” who shunned military service for religious reasons, and this contributed to their insularity. Law abiding and productive they were as farmers, tradesmen, merchants, and householders. Unpretentious.

    The fall before last my wife & I went with friends to a fest at Stoudt’s Brewery. Live music, dancing…it was good to be with my people (but not the “plain” people, Amish, Mennonites, who didn’t go in for that sort of thing).

    Schnitz und gnepp, shoofly pie, Cope’s dried corn for Thanksgiving, chicken bot boi (great big square egg noodles) with saffron and dumplings on top of the pot, boiled ham with potatoes and green beans served with butter for the mashed potatoes and red wine vinegar for the green beans (and why not on the ham, too), chow chow (pickled vegetable relish). I just made some black walnut gingerbread a few weeks ago (brown sugar & molasses as sweeteners, not your namby pamby gingerbread, that). Oh, and don’t forget proper pretzels (my mother grew up in Lititz, with the oldest commercial pretzel bakery in the US just down the street), not those sawdust POS, and those fabulous PA Dutch potato chips righteously cooked in lard (screw those weak sister “chips” from the Yankees tortured in some awful vegetable oil, ick).

    Christmas services at the Moravian Church with the chorus and the brass band.

    Yes. All of these things.

    • Thanks: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @JerseyJeffersonian

    As you say, the Pennsylvania Germans were often affiliated with various devout religious sects that tended to keep to themselves and so they resisted integration with mainstream American culture for longer than the non-religious immigrants (especially given that the religious ones arrive early - some before the American Revolution, so sustaining your language for 200 years is quite an accomplishment. Yiddish likewise disappeared among non-religious American Jews in only a couple of generations. The food culture seems to last longer because it's not that hard to keep up with food traditions - who doesn't like pretzels?

    You can see that Friedrich Trump really threw himself into American life and although he probably spoke with an accent he (and his descendants even more so) must have very quickly assumed a fully American identity. It appears that Elizabeth was very homesick in the beginning and probably adapted less well to American life at least in the beginning. Later, after her husband died young she had no choice.

    , @Desiderius
    @JerseyJeffersonian

    We're all Mennonites now.

  252. Yeah, The WASP elite waged a Kulturkampf against German culture in Anglo-America, and German America never recovered.

    Of course, the WASP elite had cause to be concerned. By the late 19th-early 20th century, German America was starting to produce significant cultural figures, and some of them were not well disposed towards Anglos. For example, HL Mencken and Theodore Dreiser exchanged letters during the First World War about how much they wanted to see Britain crushed and a German viceroy in London. Mencken’s hatred for Anglo-Saxons, both here and in Britain, was particularly virulent:

    That this inferiority is real must be obvious to any impartial observer.

    Whenever the Anglo-Saxon, whether of the English or of the American variety, comes into sharp conflict with men of other stocks, he tends to be worsted, or, at best, to be forced back upon extraneous and irrelevant aids to assist him in the struggle.

    -THE ANGLO-SAXON, Mencken, 1933

    As Bismarck* allegedly observed, the most important fact of modern times is “the inherited and permanent fact that North America speaks English.” Before 1965, the WASP elite wanted to keep it that way. As a WASP, I rather miss that kind of steely determination….

    *One of Bismarck’s closest friends was the American Historian John Lothrop Motley (History of the United Netherlands, The Rise of the Dutch Republic, etc).

    • Replies: @utu
    @syonredux

    “God has a special providence for fools, drunkards, and the United States of America.” - Otto von Bismarck

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dan Hayes

  253. It IS interesting how something that happened during WWI can create the initial conditions for what we perceive today. Another example is our acceptance of the event dubbed “The Armenian Genocide”. WWI propaganda, together with entirely justifiable sympathy for Christians encapsulated in a Muslim state, led to credulous acceptance of whatever story Armenian nationalist cadre chose to pitch to the West. Read Justin McCarthy for the full story.

  254. @John Johnson
    @Known Fact

    Also Shiner beer from Texas — didn’t the Lone Star State have a significant influx of Germans, including numerous brewers?

    This is correct and there are still German towns like Fredericksburg.

    San Antonio is an interesting city since it has both German and Spanish influence.

    Shiner is the official beer of Texas and is clearly from German influence since you don't see bocks hardly anywhere else on tap in the US.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    This is correct and there are still German towns like Fredericksburg.

    And the only nine-pin bowling in the land.

    Czechs were drawn to the same territory:

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Reg Cæsar

    Everyone knows that there are towns in Louisiana where a good bit of the population speaks French, but far fewer people realize is that there are towns in Texas where German is spoken as a dialect, at least among some of the older residents.

  255. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @James Speaks

    Keep in mind that Hitler's anti-Jewish clampdown of 1938 was not wholly unwarranted by Jewish bad behavior.

    For instance, in April 1919, Jewish agents overthrew the government and formed the Bavarian Soviet Republic. Hundreds of Freikorp were killed in the fight to restore order.

    Replies: @Jack D

    That’s a ridiculously stretched and thin analogy. Wilson’s clampdown occurred in the midst of an ongoing war and the Black Tom explosion had occurred only a year before. The Bavarian Soviet Republic had been extinct for 20 year by the time of Kristallnacht and was not a solely “Jewish” action to begin with. Max Levien for example, despite his “Jewish” sounding name, was of Huguenot descent (real name Lavigne).

    • Replies: @Peterike
    @Jack D

    “ That’s a ridiculously stretched and thin analogy.”

    Oh please. Jewish behavior in post WWI Germany was absolutely appalling. Degenerate, abusive, and explorative. Read a book, bigot. There are some good ones in Ron’s library.

    Replies: @Jack D

  256. @Hibernian
    @Redman

    "...when the IRS burned the UK Embassy..."

    I imagine the State Department had something to say about that.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Them IRS boys don’t kid around. If you don’t pay yer taxes, they’re gonna getcha.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  257. @utu
    What about the Prohibition? Was it aimed to wipe out German cultural tradition and wealth? Who benefited the most?

    https://themobmuseum.org/blog/world-war-played-key-role-passage-prohibition/
    It fit a convenient narrative to accuse German brewers of subverting the Allied powers. Before, brewers were accused of breaking up families. Now, they were portrayed as breaking apart the very fabric of American society. They had the power to intoxicate and incapacitate American soldiers. Former Wisconsin Lieutenant Governor John Strange summarized this fear in a February 1918 speech:

    “We have German enemies across the water. We have German enemies in this country, too. And the worst of all our German enemies, the most treacherous, the most menacing, are Pabst, Schlitz, Blatz and Miller. They are the worst Germans who ever afflicted themselves on a long-suffering people.”
     

    Prohibition put booze and Jews in the news
    https://www.jweekly.com/2019/12/24/100-years-ago-prohibition-put-booze-and-jews-in-the-news/

    For private religious observance, Jewish families were allowed 10 gallons of wine per year, equivalent to about 50 standard bottles of 750ml. For a large observant family, “this quantity would be ample,” the article continued primly. “On the other hand, there is and has been such abuse of this privilege as to constitute an out and out scandal in the eyes of the general public.”

    “4 rabbis of L.A. act in liquor case,” said a headline in the Los Angeles Herald in 1920, naming local leaders who were asking to end the sacramental exemption for Jews. “At present, orthodox rabbis issue permits to members of their congregations,” the rabbis’ joint letter said. “Many persons join the synagogues merely to secure the sacramental wines. In addition, the rabbi is given a dollar for each permit and is understood in many cases to secure a commission on the wine sold.”
     

    How Prohibition restructured NYC real estate and architecture (and built the Seagram Building)
    https://www.6sqft.com/how-prohibition-restructured-nyc-real-estate-and-architecture-and-built-the-seagram-building/

    The arrival of Canadian bootleggers
     

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @utu, @Steve Sailer

    https://legacy.ghi-dc.org/fileadmin/user_upload/GHI_Washington/Publications/Bulletin53/bu53_031.pdf

    When Pabst, Schlitz, and Miller marketed beer gardens as a family- friendly role model for an alternative drinking culture, sponsored cultural activities on a large scale, and advertised their lager beer as a “healthy” drink compared with other alcoholic beverages, especially with hard liquor, they were attempting to infuse their American en- vironment with a distinct German spirit. This is not to say that they carved out an ethnic niche for an autonomous German subculture; their ambition seems to have been to improve mainstream Ameri- can culture, which they fully embraced, by introducing elements of German tradition. This led to a cultural clash with both Progressive reformers for whom Americanism had to be “100-percent pure” and with the temperance movement that adapted the Progressive view- point to argue that prohibiting beer consumption was the central necessity in order to achieve a “100-percent pure” American culture.

    Unlike saloons, beer gardens — in most cases not gardens proper but large beer halls — were commodious and well-lit, sometimes with folksy artwork on whitewashed walls and unsoiled sand rather than soggy sawdust on the floor. Patrons sat at long tables and enjoyed lager beer almost exclusively along with a hearty meal. Beer garden halls were family affairs, and even all-male drinking parties appeared to first-time visitors as remarkably calm. The largest beer gardens included shooting galleries and bowling al- leys and often featured a wide variety of live music performances ranging from German folk music to classical pieces.

    Indeed, it seems fair to say that the Germans were among the immigrant groups that suffered most from the temperance move- ment and Prohibition. German immigrants had been particularly successful in becoming part of the American mainstream while nevertheless maintaining a quantum of “Germanness” before World War I. The owners of the big breweries who left a visible architectural and organizational imprint — in landmarks, for example, like the Milwaukee City Hall — had self-consciously attempted to spread a measure of German civic culture and make the American mainstream a little more Germanic. Part and parcel of this endeavor had been the establishment of beer gardens and a civilized, convivial drinking culture that was an alternative to the raucous and vio- lent saloon.

    The Prohibition movement undid some of this assimilation and ostracized the Ger- mans precisely on account of their “Ger- manness,” turning them back into an ethnic minority. Prohibition wiped out the beer-garden culture and paved the way for cheap speakeasies that were worse than the most degenerate saloons.

  258. @syonredux
    Yeah, The WASP elite waged a Kulturkampf against German culture in Anglo-America, and German America never recovered.

    Of course, the WASP elite had cause to be concerned. By the late 19th-early 20th century, German America was starting to produce significant cultural figures, and some of them were not well disposed towards Anglos. For example, HL Mencken and Theodore Dreiser exchanged letters during the First World War about how much they wanted to see Britain crushed and a German viceroy in London. Mencken’s hatred for Anglo-Saxons, both here and in Britain, was particularly virulent:

    That this inferiority is real must be obvious to any impartial observer.

    Whenever the Anglo-Saxon, whether of the English or of the American variety, comes into sharp conflict with men of other stocks, he tends to be worsted, or, at best, to be forced back upon extraneous and irrelevant aids to assist him in the struggle.

     

    -THE ANGLO-SAXON, Mencken, 1933

    As Bismarck* allegedly observed, the most important fact of modern times is “the inherited and permanent fact that North America speaks English.” Before 1965, the WASP elite wanted to keep it that way. As a WASP, I rather miss that kind of steely determination....

    *One of Bismarck’s closest friends was the American Historian John Lothrop Motley (History of the United Netherlands, The Rise of the Dutch Republic, etc).

    Replies: @utu

    “God has a special providence for fools, drunkards, and the United States of America.” – Otto von Bismarck

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @utu

    Yeah well not so much the disunited.

    , @Dan Hayes
    @utu

    Edward Teller had Bismarck’s statement prominently displayed on his office wall!

  259. @Jack D
    @Redman

    It's extremely common for immigrants to speak their native language at home to their spouses and children. It would have be unusual if Fred's parents HADN'T spoken to German to each other and to their children. Elizabeth Trump arrived in the US at age 21, probably not knowing a word of English. I'd bet that she always spoke English poorly and with a heavy German accent and it would have been much more comfortable and natural for the family to communicate with each other at home in German.

    Replies: @Peterike

    “ I’d bet that she always spoke English poorly and with a heavy German accent and it would have been much more comfortable and natural for the family to communicate with each other at home in German.”

    You don’t know Germans. I’ve know dozens of off the boat Germans in New York and they all spoke English perfectly while conversing in German amongst themselves.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Peterike

    That's now. Sure, since losing WWII and being occupied, most Germans speak (or at least are taught) at least some English, at least in the former W. Germany. Some of them speak really excellent English.

    But Elizabeth Trump arrived in the US in 1902. Things were totally different then.

    , @Dube
    @Peterike

    Although we expect much from a trained international voice, I heard Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, filmed in English conversation, speaking with such flawless and beautiful diction that I would have felt awkward in trying to respond in my own native American English. Even though I've been paid to do it.

  260. @nebulafox
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Before the world wars, you had German districts all over Eastern Europe similar to the Chinatowns of Southeast Asian cities. (To clarify, I'm not talking about the initial medieval wave: German founded cities like Poznan or Riga that demographically shifted over the centuries.)

    They were invited in by the ruling governments for basically the same reason: they brought skills that the natives largely lacked, while simultaneously being "cheap", easily controllable, and eager to come due to nearly apocalyptic political and economic conditions back in 1600s Germany and 1800s China, respectively. This led to some amusing parallel cultural dynamics: Fyodor Dostoevsky regularly parodied German assimilation problems in Russia within his novels, and it reminded me of how Indonesian or Filipino cartoonists might joke about partially successful ethnic Chinese attempts to blend in.

    Replies: @Abe, @Anonymous, @Desiderius

    Interesting takes on that dynamic in this book:

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7045965-russia-against-napoleon

    You’ll likely see an analogous diaspora of competent Americans throughout the rest of this century.

  261. @Jack D
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    That's a ridiculously stretched and thin analogy. Wilson's clampdown occurred in the midst of an ongoing war and the Black Tom explosion had occurred only a year before. The Bavarian Soviet Republic had been extinct for 20 year by the time of Kristallnacht and was not a solely "Jewish" action to begin with. Max Levien for example, despite his "Jewish" sounding name, was of Huguenot descent (real name Lavigne).

    Replies: @Peterike

    “ That’s a ridiculously stretched and thin analogy.”

    Oh please. Jewish behavior in post WWI Germany was absolutely appalling. Degenerate, abusive, and explorative. Read a book, bigot. There are some good ones in Ron’s library.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Peterike

    Regardless of what was done in the chaos immediately following WWI and the abdication of the Kaiser (the Freikorps were no bunch of choir boys either) this had absolutely nothing to do with (and could not have in any rational sense served as justification for) Hitler's actions decades later in 1938.

    In any case, most of the German Jews (let along the Jews of E. Europe who later paid an even higher price) had absolutely nothing to do with these excesses - this was collective punishment taken to an extreme that can only be called evil and which can never be justified.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @nebulafox, @peterike

  262. @Buzz Mohawk
    @John Johnson

    My father, a Northern Californian, told me the old joke in his family was: "Wash a Swede and you'll find a German."

    There was a lot of (proud) German ancestry in his family, which I guess is why people in my wife's country say I look German. (That's how I got this whole "German look" idea here -- which started this whole thread.) They say I look German, over there where they really know and respect Germans, but some non-Germanic geniuses here say there is no such look.

    Is there any wonder why I truly believe this whole damned world is a big, fat, tasteless joke full of idiots? It is a Confederacy of Dunces, and you can even find them right here, eating foot long hot dogs with relish. Read the damned book if this makes no sense.

    Replies: @Prester John, @Neil Templeton, @utu

    What ev’s. I’ll get the next round. It’s Inauguration. Hail Sir Biden and Queen Kamala.

  263. anon[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    @JMcG

    You know what, Mr. McG, I had agreed with another commenter a while back on that very thought, that the Civil War possibly coming here seems to have sides split along similar lines as Spain in that era. I also doubt very much, especially with that Commie so-called Pope they got running the show now, that the Catholic Church would be on our side. Actual religious people might, though.

    Thanks for the reminder of that thought. I've been meaning to get a book about the Spanish Civil War. I don't recall a single thing about it from high school history.

    Replies: @anon, @JMcG

    I’ve been meaning to get a book about the Spanish Civil War.

    Start small, with one single battle…well, ok, one long, drawn out siege.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17251344-the-siege-of-the-alcazar

    I don’t recall a single thing about it from high school history.

    Probably because nothing was taught. Even AP world history doesn’t go there.

    • Agree: RSDB
  264. @Dieter Kief
    @Desiderius

    Goethe-flashes - - -

    I

    Psychoanalyst Kurt R. Eisssler spent quite a few of his most productive New-York-years writing a biography of Goethe as the evolving genius  - the Goethe between 1775 and 1883 (= from 26 to 34 years old). A book of 1538 pages. There is a nice exemplar of it at Amazon right now for 49 dollars - another one sells for 758 dollars - so  - - -.https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000VVTB62/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_vote_lft?ie=UTF8&voteInstanceId=R2SVHD1HW09KCP&voteValue=1&csrfT=giK1YsSabjiO%2F3ysthe%2FvHKeT1LM06l%2BXTAr2YcAAAABAAAAAGAIt0hyYXcAAAAA%2B4kUEk%2F7iMGR3xPcX6iU&returnFromLogin=1#R2SVHD1HW09KCP&

    II

    Goethe was for quite some time the individual we knew most about on a day to day basis. He died at 82 years. He cultivated a friendship with the polyhistor, linguist, and Weimar Superintendent Herder and the (play)wright Schiller (Letters Concerning the Aesthetical Education of Mankind, Wilhelm Tell, the Ode to Joy in Beethoven's 9th Symphony).

    III

    He helped bring the Jena University to fruition, which (after him) saw the likes of Frege (Wittgenstein-predecessor), Haeckel (Darwin-predecessor), and during his time - Schelling, Schiller, Hegel, Brentano (folksong-collector - hard to over appreciate), Marx... Carl Zeiss, Ernst Abbe (abbe- prism...) and Otto Schott (Schott glass).
    Goethe initiated geological research in Jena (he had one of the three foremost geological collections in Europe), and Chemistry, and Biology. He made sure that all kinds of sculls were brought to Jena from the Grand-Duchy of Sachse-Weimar-Eisenach, which he served as a minister for the interior and the roads and mining). He did the design and oversee the construction of one of the most beautiful German country roads - the one between Weimar and Jena.

    His little essay On the Granite is the most astonishing modern text about science I know of (it's Popper in a nutshell, more concise and with less unnecessary - complications - than Popper's thinking).
     
    He challenged Newton in his lifelong studies of the optical field. It took about two hundred years before his optical studies were taken rather seriously and - : - are now more and more understood as a model, which fits in nicely with the findings of modern physics. Goethe's theory is founded by the idea that there are - dark rays (Dunkelstrahlung) - something which is now widely accepted in physics but was for a long time looked upon as just one more hint, that Goethe missed out completely in this field. For a starter: He conducted and described meticulously some fifty optical experiments - and all of them show what he did want to show with them - and are replicable without exception. - Roughly a dozen of loosely connected physicists all over Europe are now working on Goethe's optical studies. Almost all of his biographers were spectacularly wrong in this regard - including Eissler and an otherwise very good and approachable one, who's Goethe biography is translated into English: Rüdiger Safranski).
    https://www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/1631494899/ref=sr_1_4?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=18HSVTBM11TSQ&dchild=1&keywords=r%C3%BCdiger+safranski&qid=1611181911&sprefix=r%C3%BCdiger+safraanski%2Caps%2C231&sr=8-4

    IV

    Goethe understood quite a bit of economics - he is the first to have made use of the sealed bid auction method, which became rather popular with eBay (the best known German publisher of the 20th century, Siegfried Unseld, did write about this fact - before eBay - at some length).

    V

    Then Goethe wrote about sex, witchcraft, sorcery, science, economy, (Mick Jagger's) devil, and the truth (Faust I + II), and he impressed Nietzsche and the gentle giant Jean-Paul and the most playful of the German intellectuals - Heinrich Heine - and had a beautiful work-relationship with Friedrich von Schiller. Lots of his poems were set to music by a dozen or so great Musicians (the last one I know of being Randy Newman (Faust)).

    Yep - his bestselling novel Werther, mentioned on the Chicago statue Steve Sailer writes about, - oh - this fast and furious little book which he wrote as a 24-year-old in a few weeks, is very close to puberty as a map of the prototypical turmoils of early adulthood. It made him well known all over Europe. He felt reluctant about the fame this book brought him. - I just pinned it down - cool it, was his attitude when confronted with admirers (fans) of his biggest success during his lifetime.

    His Maxims and Reflections - a collection of thoughts, sentences, aphorisms, is a book I carry with me quite often. - It's one of my ten favorite books - for quite some time now. 

    I have very little experience with English translations of Goethe. His words have a frequency/or harmony/rhythm of the Frankfurtian Rhine-Main-dialect-sound to them. - Rough and melodic. Raspy. Apple-wine-tinted.

    His prose is clear and edgy while being charming. - The eternal older brother.

    I love, admire, and enjoy his description of his third Swiss Journey a lot (Die Schweizerreise von 1797).

    Replies: @Desiderius, @JMcG

    Ah Dieter, mein(e?) am liebsten. Knew I could count on you.

    Just beautiful.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Desiderius

    Thanks, Desiderius - thanks for asking too! I came home after a long day of work with the needy and your post did re-energize me.

    The truth contradicts our nature, the error doesn't, and for a quite simple reason: The truth asks us to understand that we are deficient, the error comforts us in looking at ourselves one way or the other as - boundless.

    JWv Goethe, Maxims and Reflections - No. 310


    (Sigmund Freud was very proud and pleased when he received the Goethe Prize of the city of Frankfurt. The most striking letters about this subject he did exchange with writer and psychoanalyst Lou Andreas-Salomé, who shared this joy with Freud in a deep and moving and insightful (= perfect...) way.

    It might sound a bit strange - but there is an awful lot of Freud just in this one No. 310 of the Maxims and Reflections. It's the one I would have wished that Nietzsche would have taken it to his heart. But then - maybe he just couldn't. He wasn't as lucky as Goethe, not at all (with Lou Andreas-Salomé too, so to speak).

    Replies: @Desiderius

  265. @utu
    @syonredux

    “God has a special providence for fools, drunkards, and the United States of America.” - Otto von Bismarck

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dan Hayes

    Yeah well not so much the disunited.

  266. What the anti-German panic looked like in 1917.

  267. @Altai
    Similar things happened in Canada and Australia, lots of towns and places with German names were renamed.

    Despite being larger in population than any other ethnic group in America, having had huge and unavoidable influence on America; German-American identity is conspicuous in it's absence today.

    It's kind of surreal.

    Perhaps it would have had a renaissance if not for WW2.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Another Canadian, @Ancient Briton, @Stan d Mute

    German-American identity is conspicuous in it’s absence today.

    Come to the HBD Mitten where all things are possible:

  268. @Dan Hayes
    The deGermanization of all things that took (and is still taking) place in America is mild compared to what has been and is still taking place in Germany!

    Replies: @Malla, @Herzog, @Stan d Mute

    The deGermanization of all things that took (and is still taking) place in America is mild compared to what has been and is still taking place in Germany!

    We are all Germans now brother..

    A thought occurs to me. We must be kinder to one another. We need to instill the solidarity that negroes have among one another. How do we do this and still excommunicate and ostracize the enemies within?

  269. @El Dato
    Ralph Raico on 1912 and onwards:

    https://youtu.be/FTupV8o3mW4?t=4250

    The same things still work 100 years later, including incubator babies thrown on floors etc.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    Ralph Raico on 1912 and onwards:

    He sure doesn’t detect any propaganda in the Second World War..

  270. @njguy73
    @Trinity

    Yes, Sutton (a Alabama native) and Garvey (a Michigan alum) did have a fight. It was either about Sutton's comments on Mrs. Garvey, or about Sutton saying that Reggie Smith was really the Dodgers' best player. When asked about the fight, Sutton said,

    "You're not going to believe this, but he was trying to convince me that the Big Ten was better than the SEC."

    Replies: @David In TN, @Trinity

    Thanks for the 411. I know the Oakland A’s had some locker room squabbles back in the day or should I say Reggie Jackson had some fights with Bill North and Mike “Super Jew” Epstein. Unlike Bill North and Billy Martin, Epstein was a big man and reportedly kicked Jackson’s ass. Remember seeing him and Frank Howard the Washington Monument when they both played for the Senators at Baltimore’s old Memorial Stadium. Those guys looked like giants to a little boy. I believe Vida Blue and Blue Moon Odom of the A’s nearly came to blows as well. The Amazing A’s of the Seventies, definitely one of the most underrated dynasties in sports. Seems like Reggie had a problem every where he went. He reminds me of a certain group of people.

    Best teams of the 1970s

    1. Reds
    2. Yankees
    3. A’s
    4. Orioles

    • Replies: @Marty
    @Trinity

    Slight correction on the Epstein-Jackson fight. According to George Hendrick, “I really wanted to see Epstein kick Reggie’s ass,” but it got broken up pretty quick.

  271. @Johann Ricke
    @Redman


    This admission of Catholicism shocked his fellow engineers who told him he looked Protestant.

    Says a lot about how the human mind works.
     
    My guess is that many of the Protestants are descended from Scotsmen, who are in turn descended from Vikings and Saxons, in addition to the original Celts resident in Scotland. Whereas most of the Catholics are likely descended from the original Celtic residents of Ireland. So there would have been visible differences not obvious to the American eye.

    Replies: @pirelli

    Do the Scots really have more of a Viking imprint than the Irish? The Vikings colonized Ireland (and founded Dublin), and later the Viking-descended Normans did the same, and while I don’t know how much of a genetic imprint they left, I imagine it was comparable to what they left in Great Britain.

    You also refer to the Saxon influence in Scotland, but is that really so much greater than in Ireland? Obviously in England it would be greater, but Scotland and Wales I’m not so sure. My guess is that both Scotland and Ireland are still majority Celtic descended, with some Saxon influence (greater but not much greater in Scotland), and relatively minor Viking influence in both places.

  272. @Peterike
    @Jack D

    “ I’d bet that she always spoke English poorly and with a heavy German accent and it would have been much more comfortable and natural for the family to communicate with each other at home in German.”

    You don’t know Germans. I’ve know dozens of off the boat Germans in New York and they all spoke English perfectly while conversing in German amongst themselves.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Dube

    That’s now. Sure, since losing WWII and being occupied, most Germans speak (or at least are taught) at least some English, at least in the former W. Germany. Some of them speak really excellent English.

    But Elizabeth Trump arrived in the US in 1902. Things were totally different then.

    • Agree: Ed
  273. @JerseyJeffersonian
    @obwandiyag

    I am Pennsylvania Deutsch from my mother's side. Her grandparents, with the patronymic of Hagy, spoke Pennsylvania Deitsch (as spelled in the dialect) in the home, and my great grandfather, a butcher by trade, in his business, too. It was still a strongly maintained and insular local culture at that time. Even fairly recently those from this culture when speaking in English had a particular lilt/rhythm in their speech, and words from Pennsylvania Deitsch were dropped in from time to time.

    The culture was mostly drawn from various anabaptist sects, with a sprinkling of some others such as Heugenots, some Lutherans in the mix, all being dissenters from the majority religious groups of their homelands who needed to leave for their own safety, and to secure their future prospects. They had by that time learned to stick to themselves by and large. These earlier immigrants were distinct from the later waves of Hoch Deutsch sprechende Volken who came considerably later and populated the midwest along with Texas and Mexico.

    Some of the PA Deutsch came from "peace churches" who shunned military service for religious reasons, and this contributed to their insularity. Law abiding and productive they were as farmers, tradesmen, merchants, and householders. Unpretentious.

    The fall before last my wife & I went with friends to a fest at Stoudt's Brewery. Live music, dancing...it was good to be with my people (but not the "plain" people, Amish, Mennonites, who didn't go in for that sort of thing).

    Schnitz und gnepp, shoofly pie, Cope's dried corn for Thanksgiving, chicken bot boi (great big square egg noodles) with saffron and dumplings on top of the pot, boiled ham with potatoes and green beans served with butter for the mashed potatoes and red wine vinegar for the green beans (and why not on the ham, too), chow chow (pickled vegetable relish). I just made some black walnut gingerbread a few weeks ago (brown sugar & molasses as sweeteners, not your namby pamby gingerbread, that). Oh, and don't forget proper pretzels (my mother grew up in Lititz, with the oldest commercial pretzel bakery in the US just down the street), not those sawdust POS, and those fabulous PA Dutch potato chips righteously cooked in lard (screw those weak sister "chips" from the Yankees tortured in some awful vegetable oil, ick).

    Christmas services at the Moravian Church with the chorus and the brass band.

    Yes. All of these things.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Desiderius

    As you say, the Pennsylvania Germans were often affiliated with various devout religious sects that tended to keep to themselves and so they resisted integration with mainstream American culture for longer than the non-religious immigrants (especially given that the religious ones arrive early – some before the American Revolution, so sustaining your language for 200 years is quite an accomplishment. Yiddish likewise disappeared among non-religious American Jews in only a couple of generations. The food culture seems to last longer because it’s not that hard to keep up with food traditions – who doesn’t like pretzels?

    You can see that Friedrich Trump really threw himself into American life and although he probably spoke with an accent he (and his descendants even more so) must have very quickly assumed a fully American identity. It appears that Elizabeth was very homesick in the beginning and probably adapted less well to American life at least in the beginning. Later, after her husband died young she had no choice.

  274. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Buffalo Joe

    Seattle is another San Francisco. Lots of tech money and hipsters, but also lots of homeless with drug problems. Due to liberal govt, Seattle has become a mecca for the homeless. Also, high housing prices drive a lot of locals into homelessness.

    Portland is the same, but with a younger transient population.

    Vancouver (in Canada) is the same too, but with fewer high-paying jobs.

    The upper part of the West coast (both on the US and Canada side) is a fairly distinctive region.

    Replies: @black sea

    When people luck into a beautiful landscape, their first impulse is to find a way to f*ck it up. It’s a bit tragic, really.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk, Charon
  275. @Reg Cæsar
    @John Johnson


    This is correct and there are still German towns like Fredericksburg.

     

    And the only nine-pin bowling in the land.


    https://s.hdnux.com/photos/42/63/12/9122463/3/gallery_medium.jpg





    Czechs were drawn to the same territory:


    https://250722-778774-raikfcquaxqncofqfm.stackpathdns.com/images/handbook/entries/CC/czech-settlement.jpg

    Replies: @black sea

    Everyone knows that there are towns in Louisiana where a good bit of the population speaks French, but far fewer people realize is that there are towns in Texas where German is spoken as a dialect, at least among some of the older residents.

  276. @Jon Halpenny
    Or is America reliving the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917?

    https://twitter.com/V8POW/status/1351662595053387776

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @nebulafox, @Alt Right Moderate

    Not unless most stock market investors are secret communists. In fact, its kind of the opposite, globalists yuppie elites are taking the opportunity to further kick the boot into the white working class.

  277. @utu
    @syonredux

    “God has a special providence for fools, drunkards, and the United States of America.” - Otto von Bismarck

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dan Hayes

    Edward Teller had Bismarck’s statement prominently displayed on his office wall!

  278. @Mr. Anon
    OT: I suppose Biden, like Clinton before him, wanted a cabinet that "looks like America". Apparently, America looks like Tel Aviv or the Upper West Side. Most of the top jobs in the cabinet save SecDef: State, Treasury, Homeland Security (excuse me "Homeland Security"), plus many others besides: DNI, assistant secretaries, White House chief of staff. Of course, only bad people would notice such a thing. Here is a report of it in the Völkisher Beobachter:

    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/MAGAZINE-enough-for-a-minyan-a-jewish-who-s-who-of-biden-s-cabinet-to-be-1.9464584

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @Grahamsno(G64)

    Apparently, America looks like Tel Aviv or the Upper West Side

    The second echelon looks like Mumbai.

    https://www.businessinsider.in/thelife/personalities/news/meet-the-20-indian-americans-nominated-in-biden-harris-cabinet/slidelist/80348318.cms

    20 of them!

  279. @Buffalo Joe
    Speaking of Teutonic, I saw a photo of biden standing on a porch with his new rescue dog, a nice looking German Shepherd, at his side. Then it dawned on me, not a rescue dog, an assistance dog, to help joe find his way back to the Oval Office from the Rose Garden. And with so many Members of the Tribe already in his administration, how long before they trace the dog's great, great, great, greatgrand sire back to Buchenwald or Auschwitz and have the four legged nazi put down? Nice thing about the Oval Office, no way for joe to corner an intern there. Stay safe.

    Replies: @turtle, @Dan Hayes

    The Oval Office did not seem to inhibit the activities of President Bill and Intern Monica!

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Dan Hayes

    Dan, Monica was the instigator and willing participant.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

  280. @Peterike
    @Jack D

    “ I’d bet that she always spoke English poorly and with a heavy German accent and it would have been much more comfortable and natural for the family to communicate with each other at home in German.”

    You don’t know Germans. I’ve know dozens of off the boat Germans in New York and they all spoke English perfectly while conversing in German amongst themselves.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Dube

    Although we expect much from a trained international voice, I heard Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, filmed in English conversation, speaking with such flawless and beautiful diction that I would have felt awkward in trying to respond in my own native American English. Even though I’ve been paid to do it.

  281. @utu
    What about the Prohibition? Was it aimed to wipe out German cultural tradition and wealth? Who benefited the most?

    https://themobmuseum.org/blog/world-war-played-key-role-passage-prohibition/
    It fit a convenient narrative to accuse German brewers of subverting the Allied powers. Before, brewers were accused of breaking up families. Now, they were portrayed as breaking apart the very fabric of American society. They had the power to intoxicate and incapacitate American soldiers. Former Wisconsin Lieutenant Governor John Strange summarized this fear in a February 1918 speech:

    “We have German enemies across the water. We have German enemies in this country, too. And the worst of all our German enemies, the most treacherous, the most menacing, are Pabst, Schlitz, Blatz and Miller. They are the worst Germans who ever afflicted themselves on a long-suffering people.”
     

    Prohibition put booze and Jews in the news
    https://www.jweekly.com/2019/12/24/100-years-ago-prohibition-put-booze-and-jews-in-the-news/

    For private religious observance, Jewish families were allowed 10 gallons of wine per year, equivalent to about 50 standard bottles of 750ml. For a large observant family, “this quantity would be ample,” the article continued primly. “On the other hand, there is and has been such abuse of this privilege as to constitute an out and out scandal in the eyes of the general public.”

    “4 rabbis of L.A. act in liquor case,” said a headline in the Los Angeles Herald in 1920, naming local leaders who were asking to end the sacramental exemption for Jews. “At present, orthodox rabbis issue permits to members of their congregations,” the rabbis’ joint letter said. “Many persons join the synagogues merely to secure the sacramental wines. In addition, the rabbi is given a dollar for each permit and is understood in many cases to secure a commission on the wine sold.”
     

    How Prohibition restructured NYC real estate and architecture (and built the Seagram Building)
    https://www.6sqft.com/how-prohibition-restructured-nyc-real-estate-and-architecture-and-built-the-seagram-building/

    The arrival of Canadian bootleggers
     

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @utu, @Steve Sailer

    German brewers donated to anti-Prohibition candidates and also anti-women’s suffrage candidates, since the two were seen to be linked.

  282. @Desiderius
    @Dieter Kief

    Ah Dieter, mein(e?) am liebsten. Knew I could count on you.

    Just beautiful.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Thanks, Desiderius – thanks for asking too! I came home after a long day of work with the needy and your post did re-energize me.

    The truth contradicts our nature, the error doesn’t, and for a quite simple reason: The truth asks us to understand that we are deficient, the error comforts us in looking at ourselves one way or the other as – boundless.

    JWv Goethe, Maxims and Reflections – No. 310

    (Sigmund Freud was very proud and pleased when he received the Goethe Prize of the city of Frankfurt. The most striking letters about this subject he did exchange with writer and psychoanalyst Lou Andreas-Salomé, who shared this joy with Freud in a deep and moving and insightful (= perfect…) way.

    It might sound a bit strange – but there is an awful lot of Freud just in this one No. 310 of the Maxims and Reflections. It’s the one I would have wished that Nietzsche would have taken it to his heart. But then – maybe he just couldn’t. He wasn’t as lucky as Goethe, not at all (with Lou Andreas-Salomé too, so to speak).

    • Thanks: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Dieter Kief

    Well, with the present pomo horrors we finally have the empirical demonstration that boundlessness is anything but comforting.

    On this one at least it was Goethe himself who was in error.

    https://youtu.be/656r8x8j6j0

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  283. @John Johnson
    @David

    I was born in Ohio two hundred yards from the Ohio River. When I traveled in Germany years ago, I felt already perfectly familiar with the meaning of their facial expressions, something I wouldn’t say of any other place outside the English speaking world.

    Germans are much more direct and I have always preferred that over British faggotry oops I mean pleasantries.

    I have wondered if a lot of US racial problems come from British upper class stock wanting to avoid reality in favor of leisure and seclusion. Most of the US upper class types I have met in the US were extremely arrogant even if they couldn't explain why. They really seem to think they are royalty and don't have to defend their ideas or beliefs to anyone.

    Replies: @JackOH

    I have wondered if a lot of US racial problems come from British upper class stock wanting to avoid reality in favor of leisure and seclusion. Most of the US upper class types I have met in the US were extremely arrogant even if they couldn’t explain why. They really seem to think they are royalty and don’t have to defend their ideas or beliefs to anyone.

    I know exactly the type of WASP you’re talking about. Grad school, work. Their moneyed ancestors who promoted our bad civil rights laws likely had no clue that in a thousand Midwestern cities Blacks and Whites had actually reached a civil, but wary accommodation with one another. You’re right, that among some of those WASPs, a reasonable objection to their thinking is met only with a hostile glare.

    Comment of the month, sir. Thanks.

  284. @Herzog
    @Desiderius

    Obviously, as a German I'm not qualified to have an informed opinion on Goethe's translatability. Equally, I'm not familiar with the existing English translations, so no input on that either. In general terms though, poetry is notoriously difficult to translate, and even plays in metricized prose can pose considerable difficulties and lose thus much of their linguistic appeal --- the plot remains unaffected of course --- in translation.

    Which leaves us with pure prose, as in novels, novellas, etc. That's the branch that Goethe is least famous for in Germany, even though he wrote quite a few prose works too, works that still have wide name recognition among the Germanophone literature aficionados. Probably his prose isn't bad either --- the guy didn't have it in him to sink below a certain (quite elevated) level --- but it's the part of his writing that I'm least familiar with.

    What I can say is that I find Goethe's poetry charming, melodious, and sometimes intriguing, ranging over a wide range of forms. His plays too appeal to me, more for their language even than for their plots (which are not bad either, in that respect though, Schiller likely was superior).

    Overall, I find Goethe's attitude toward people and outlook on life gentle and humane --- he was the diametrical opposite of a berserk. In the original German at least, his writings exude a certain levity and grace, and even caustic Nietzsche, who usually had a biting word for everyone, found himself enchanted by them, and praised them highly.

    Also, Mr. Goethe was very open to the charms of the fair sex, yet no casanova or manic womanizer. Finally, he was appalled by the depredations of the French Revolution and its revolutionaries, and expressed it unambiguously in his writings. This costs him with the German left up to this day.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    I’ve formed my opinion long ago – Goethe is still alive in some poetry, maxims & a few other areas. His epics, novels, memoirs … have dimmed. But what remains is magnetism & inexhaustible richness of his incredible & charismatic personality.

    I would agree with Harold Bloom that while Shakespeare stands for the Western canon, Goethe is the symbol of the Western civilization.

    • Thanks: Desiderius
  285. @Jack D
    @Clyde

    The links between British royalty and Germany were much more recent than the Anglo-Saxon invasion. The Saxe-Coburg-Gotha name belonged to Prince Albert, husband of Queen Victoria and so dated back only to the 19th century. Victoria herself was of German extraction dating back to George I. After Queen Anne of the House of Stuart died, the German prince George I (who also was the King of Hanover, a German state) was her closest living Protestant relative and became King. The Stuarts were Scottish not English so Elizabeth I was the last ruler of England who was actually English and the English have been ruled by foreigners for the last 400 years.

    It's very common for the ruling class of a nation to be of a different nationality than the masses. Pre-unification Germany had tons of princely states and the princes were intermarried with other European royalty (who were only supposed to marry fellow royals). Whenever the local line failed in some European country, the next in line was usually one of these German princes.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Flip, @nebulafox, @peterike, @Clyde, @Rob McX, @Anon, @Anonymous

    The Tudors were Welsh. Richard III was the last English king of England.

  286. @Daniel H
    @Steve Sailer

    North Central Europeans more often than Brits have the look that was fashionable in the 1960s where the skin tans in the sun while the hair gets blonder (e.g., Robert Redford)

    The Scythian look.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    The best looking people on earth, now, are eastern Slavs & Baltic peoples.

    No one else can compete. Just search some videos.

  287. @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I’m afraid if we Americans don’t get out there in force, better at the local level
     
    Demand generous health benefits for the worker and whole family from employers of non-citizens.

    A minimum wage for non-citizens high enough to lift them above the income tax threshold can follow.

    Force them to argue against two of their favorite causes!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I like your Alinsky-style idea, Reg, but my point was we need to lean on our Reps and Senators, hard. If this goes through, VDare may as well shut down and bug out like the rest of us are planning to.

  288. @Dieter Kief
    @Desiderius

    Thanks, Desiderius - thanks for asking too! I came home after a long day of work with the needy and your post did re-energize me.

    The truth contradicts our nature, the error doesn't, and for a quite simple reason: The truth asks us to understand that we are deficient, the error comforts us in looking at ourselves one way or the other as - boundless.

    JWv Goethe, Maxims and Reflections - No. 310


    (Sigmund Freud was very proud and pleased when he received the Goethe Prize of the city of Frankfurt. The most striking letters about this subject he did exchange with writer and psychoanalyst Lou Andreas-Salomé, who shared this joy with Freud in a deep and moving and insightful (= perfect...) way.

    It might sound a bit strange - but there is an awful lot of Freud just in this one No. 310 of the Maxims and Reflections. It's the one I would have wished that Nietzsche would have taken it to his heart. But then - maybe he just couldn't. He wasn't as lucky as Goethe, not at all (with Lou Andreas-Salomé too, so to speak).

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Well, with the present pomo horrors we finally have the empirical demonstration that boundlessness is anything but comforting.

    On this one at least it was Goethe himself who was in error.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Desiderius

    (my answer is maybe a bit off - but anyhow - I liked the women soloist in the green dress a lot, sitting - anmutig - on her chair - listening in a joyful mood)

    Since beauty can't be partitioned and endows us with the impression of perfect harmony, it can't be presented by a string of words.

    JWv Goethe in his Writings About Art / De Gérard: Portraits Historique 


    ...and elegant profanity - it rolls right of my tongue - - singin' harmony - like the Angels that live in Houston// Little Feat, Roll Um Easy / Dixie Chicks

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptYJqCLJLL8

  289. @Peterike
    @Jack D

    “ That’s a ridiculously stretched and thin analogy.”

    Oh please. Jewish behavior in post WWI Germany was absolutely appalling. Degenerate, abusive, and explorative. Read a book, bigot. There are some good ones in Ron’s library.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Regardless of what was done in the chaos immediately following WWI and the abdication of the Kaiser (the Freikorps were no bunch of choir boys either) this had absolutely nothing to do with (and could not have in any rational sense served as justification for) Hitler’s actions decades later in 1938.

    In any case, most of the German Jews (let along the Jews of E. Europe who later paid an even higher price) had absolutely nothing to do with these excesses – this was collective punishment taken to an extreme that can only be called evil and which can never be justified.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jack D

    At the end of the day the law of the jungle can only be transcended, not merely disregarded or foolishly forgotten.

    More than conquerors, not less.

    , @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    To ascribe 1938 to 1918 is silly. Germany was not Hungary or Romania or Poland or Russia. The Jewish populace was small and heavily bourgeois/assimilated. Anti-Semitism was a staple of right-wing politics well before the war, but wasn't unusual on European standards: the Judenzahlung was comparable to the Dreyfus Affair in France 20 years earlier, for example. It had an independent, strong Marxist tradition of its own, and the leftist parties did not disproportionately feature Jews like they did elsewhere. Unlike Bela Kun's short-lived experiment in Hungary, Germany as a whole was never ruled by the Communists. And despite the near civil war conditions and constant coup attempts of the early 1920s, Germany was ruled by a republican system, albeit a brittle one with an out-of-control "deep state". Hungary, by contrast, was under the control of a right-wing dictatorship from the get-go, and that had to do with the fact that Kun, however briefly, did control the entire country-let alone in the USSR where the nuts stayed in power.

    IMO, it's very hard to overstate how much damage WWI did to the social fabric of Central and Eastern Europe, and how much Nazism was a direct product of that social and moral breakdown. Adolf Hitler was guy who never truly came home from the trenches-he had nothing to come back to, after all-and thus thrived in this damaged environment. I don't think it is accidental that the place where the most absolute manifestation of his ideology occurred produced parallels: Elias Lindzin or the green triangles, the otherwise dregs of society, thriving.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @peterike
    @Jack D


    In any case, most of the German Jews (let along the Jews of E. Europe who later paid an even higher price) had absolutely nothing to do with these excesses
     
    Uh huh. Start here.

    https://www.unz.com/book/dr_friederich_karl_wiehe__germany-and-the-jewish-question/
  290. You missed an essential part of the Anti-German propaganda, Steve. The Volstead Act, predecessor of Prohibition, was partially prompted by the desire to shut down beer gardens run, of course, by Germans. So Progressive militarism married The WCTU and the Suffragettes, and the result was 14 years of chaos.

    Of course, alcohol continues to cause many deaths today. So maybe they’ll bring back Prohibition for the children.

    • Agree: utu
  291. @JerseyJeffersonian
    @obwandiyag

    I am Pennsylvania Deutsch from my mother's side. Her grandparents, with the patronymic of Hagy, spoke Pennsylvania Deitsch (as spelled in the dialect) in the home, and my great grandfather, a butcher by trade, in his business, too. It was still a strongly maintained and insular local culture at that time. Even fairly recently those from this culture when speaking in English had a particular lilt/rhythm in their speech, and words from Pennsylvania Deitsch were dropped in from time to time.

    The culture was mostly drawn from various anabaptist sects, with a sprinkling of some others such as Heugenots, some Lutherans in the mix, all being dissenters from the majority religious groups of their homelands who needed to leave for their own safety, and to secure their future prospects. They had by that time learned to stick to themselves by and large. These earlier immigrants were distinct from the later waves of Hoch Deutsch sprechende Volken who came considerably later and populated the midwest along with Texas and Mexico.

    Some of the PA Deutsch came from "peace churches" who shunned military service for religious reasons, and this contributed to their insularity. Law abiding and productive they were as farmers, tradesmen, merchants, and householders. Unpretentious.

    The fall before last my wife & I went with friends to a fest at Stoudt's Brewery. Live music, dancing...it was good to be with my people (but not the "plain" people, Amish, Mennonites, who didn't go in for that sort of thing).

    Schnitz und gnepp, shoofly pie, Cope's dried corn for Thanksgiving, chicken bot boi (great big square egg noodles) with saffron and dumplings on top of the pot, boiled ham with potatoes and green beans served with butter for the mashed potatoes and red wine vinegar for the green beans (and why not on the ham, too), chow chow (pickled vegetable relish). I just made some black walnut gingerbread a few weeks ago (brown sugar & molasses as sweeteners, not your namby pamby gingerbread, that). Oh, and don't forget proper pretzels (my mother grew up in Lititz, with the oldest commercial pretzel bakery in the US just down the street), not those sawdust POS, and those fabulous PA Dutch potato chips righteously cooked in lard (screw those weak sister "chips" from the Yankees tortured in some awful vegetable oil, ick).

    Christmas services at the Moravian Church with the chorus and the brass band.

    Yes. All of these things.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Desiderius

    We’re all Mennonites now.

  292. @Jack D
    @Peterike

    Regardless of what was done in the chaos immediately following WWI and the abdication of the Kaiser (the Freikorps were no bunch of choir boys either) this had absolutely nothing to do with (and could not have in any rational sense served as justification for) Hitler's actions decades later in 1938.

    In any case, most of the German Jews (let along the Jews of E. Europe who later paid an even higher price) had absolutely nothing to do with these excesses - this was collective punishment taken to an extreme that can only be called evil and which can never be justified.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @nebulafox, @peterike

    At the end of the day the law of the jungle can only be transcended, not merely disregarded or foolishly forgotten.

    More than conquerors, not less.

  293. @anon
    @nebulafox

    Scrapping the visa caps on India is going to utterly destroy non-senior level software developers in America, and that includes other immigrant groups as much as American citizens.

    Feature, not bug. Just ask the management of Micro$oft. Or Google. Or Intel. Or...

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Yeah, it was what happened to Hoseong Ryu that really hit it home. Now, I think Ryu had other strikes against him besides race: he was in his 40s, married and a father, and employers really prefer guys in their 20s who have “passion”. But the notion that *Koreans*, whatever else you can say about them, are likely to be lazy or unmotivated… I know stereotypes are just that, stereotypes, but unavoidable red-flag there.

    South Asians can be very variable: the guys from high-octane mathematics backgrounds can definitely hold their own against anybody. It’s the random code-wallahs you have to watch. Thing is, they are a lot more loquacious than Eastern Europeans or East Asians and they also have the English bonus, so they are a lot more likely to dominate middle management. And when they do, be prepared for anything, including even relatives being invited in through the back door.

    (I should note that things can differ in other countries. Take Singapore. The local ethnic Indians, like their Chinese and Malay counterparts, tend to be pretty different from their co-ethnics back in China/Malaysia/Indonesia/India. And FOB Indians who are able to stay in Singapore are able to stay for a reason, given the implicit immigration discrimination against them. It’s hard to BS your way into Singapore regardless of your race, but being Indian instead of white or East Asian takes that difficulty from hard to nigh impossible.)

  294. @Jack D
    @Peterike

    Regardless of what was done in the chaos immediately following WWI and the abdication of the Kaiser (the Freikorps were no bunch of choir boys either) this had absolutely nothing to do with (and could not have in any rational sense served as justification for) Hitler's actions decades later in 1938.

    In any case, most of the German Jews (let along the Jews of E. Europe who later paid an even higher price) had absolutely nothing to do with these excesses - this was collective punishment taken to an extreme that can only be called evil and which can never be justified.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @nebulafox, @peterike

    To ascribe 1938 to 1918 is silly. Germany was not Hungary or Romania or Poland or Russia. The Jewish populace was small and heavily bourgeois/assimilated. Anti-Semitism was a staple of right-wing politics well before the war, but wasn’t unusual on European standards: the Judenzahlung was comparable to the Dreyfus Affair in France 20 years earlier, for example. It had an independent, strong Marxist tradition of its own, and the leftist parties did not disproportionately feature Jews like they did elsewhere. Unlike Bela Kun’s short-lived experiment in Hungary, Germany as a whole was never ruled by the Communists. And despite the near civil war conditions and constant coup attempts of the early 1920s, Germany was ruled by a republican system, albeit a brittle one with an out-of-control “deep state”. Hungary, by contrast, was under the control of a right-wing dictatorship from the get-go, and that had to do with the fact that Kun, however briefly, did control the entire country-let alone in the USSR where the nuts stayed in power.

    IMO, it’s very hard to overstate how much damage WWI did to the social fabric of Central and Eastern Europe, and how much Nazism was a direct product of that social and moral breakdown. Adolf Hitler was guy who never truly came home from the trenches-he had nothing to come back to, after all-and thus thrived in this damaged environment. I don’t think it is accidental that the place where the most absolute manifestation of his ideology occurred produced parallels: Elias Lindzin or the green triangles, the otherwise dregs of society, thriving.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @nebulafox

    WWI and II can be viewed as a single war with a temporary cease fire. Stability was not really restored in Europe until 1945 and then only because the Cold War froze the status quo of 1945 in amber (and when the USSR fell apart, so did Yugoslavia (violently) and Czechoslovakia).

    WWI can been seen as the turning point of European Civilization - the beginning of the end. In so many ways, it's all been downhill since then and it has never really fully recovered from the damage that was done.

  295. @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    To ascribe 1938 to 1918 is silly. Germany was not Hungary or Romania or Poland or Russia. The Jewish populace was small and heavily bourgeois/assimilated. Anti-Semitism was a staple of right-wing politics well before the war, but wasn't unusual on European standards: the Judenzahlung was comparable to the Dreyfus Affair in France 20 years earlier, for example. It had an independent, strong Marxist tradition of its own, and the leftist parties did not disproportionately feature Jews like they did elsewhere. Unlike Bela Kun's short-lived experiment in Hungary, Germany as a whole was never ruled by the Communists. And despite the near civil war conditions and constant coup attempts of the early 1920s, Germany was ruled by a republican system, albeit a brittle one with an out-of-control "deep state". Hungary, by contrast, was under the control of a right-wing dictatorship from the get-go, and that had to do with the fact that Kun, however briefly, did control the entire country-let alone in the USSR where the nuts stayed in power.

    IMO, it's very hard to overstate how much damage WWI did to the social fabric of Central and Eastern Europe, and how much Nazism was a direct product of that social and moral breakdown. Adolf Hitler was guy who never truly came home from the trenches-he had nothing to come back to, after all-and thus thrived in this damaged environment. I don't think it is accidental that the place where the most absolute manifestation of his ideology occurred produced parallels: Elias Lindzin or the green triangles, the otherwise dregs of society, thriving.

    Replies: @Jack D

    WWI and II can be viewed as a single war with a temporary cease fire. Stability was not really restored in Europe until 1945 and then only because the Cold War froze the status quo of 1945 in amber (and when the USSR fell apart, so did Yugoslavia (violently) and Czechoslovakia).

    WWI can been seen as the turning point of European Civilization – the beginning of the end. In so many ways, it’s all been downhill since then and it has never really fully recovered from the damage that was done.

  296. @Jack D
    @Peterike

    Regardless of what was done in the chaos immediately following WWI and the abdication of the Kaiser (the Freikorps were no bunch of choir boys either) this had absolutely nothing to do with (and could not have in any rational sense served as justification for) Hitler's actions decades later in 1938.

    In any case, most of the German Jews (let along the Jews of E. Europe who later paid an even higher price) had absolutely nothing to do with these excesses - this was collective punishment taken to an extreme that can only be called evil and which can never be justified.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @nebulafox, @peterike

    In any case, most of the German Jews (let along the Jews of E. Europe who later paid an even higher price) had absolutely nothing to do with these excesses

    Uh huh. Start here.

    https://www.unz.com/book/dr_friederich_karl_wiehe__germany-and-the-jewish-question/

  297. @Dan Hayes
    @Buffalo Joe

    The Oval Office did not seem to inhibit the activities of President Bill and Intern Monica!

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Dan, Monica was the instigator and willing participant.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Buffalo Joe

    Buffalo, but nothing to do with the price of meat in China!

  298. My great grandfather came from Germany in the 1800s he was a farmer and a small business owner and was fairly prosperous. He was a soldier in the Prussian army and was wounded three times by minie balls (fighting the French I think) that were never taken out.

    When he came to America he was a member of the Deutscher Unterstützungs-Bund and all of their activities were in German. This was later changed to the German Beneficial Union and later to the Greater Beneficial Union (GBU) which my father belonged to. When I was a boy we used to get a newsletter every month that was half English and half German (which I don’t know).

    We had a neighbor, a housebuilder, and he and his wife had thick German accents but I never heard nasty things said about them by anybody. It was also sometimes very hilarious listening to my relatives use English words with German syntax.

  299. @Known Fact
    @Ancient Briton

    Also Shiner beer from Texas -- didn't the Lone Star State have a significant influx of Germans, including numerous brewers?

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @John Johnson, @JMcG

    As did Mexico. The best German food I’ve ever eaten outside of Munich was in Mexico City. It wasn’t very good, mind you – like Irish food, in fact; but still the best outside of Germany.

  300. @Achmed E. Newman
    @JMcG

    You know what, Mr. McG, I had agreed with another commenter a while back on that very thought, that the Civil War possibly coming here seems to have sides split along similar lines as Spain in that era. I also doubt very much, especially with that Commie so-called Pope they got running the show now, that the Catholic Church would be on our side. Actual religious people might, though.

    Thanks for the reminder of that thought. I've been meaning to get a book about the Spanish Civil War. I don't recall a single thing about it from high school history.

    Replies: @anon, @JMcG

    Antony Beevor’s “Battle for Spain” is probably the most evenhanded recent work. The big histories all write from a perspective of leftist rectitude. I read a little on the subject years ago and never really understood the slaughter on the Republican (leftist) side.

  301. @Dieter Kief
    @Desiderius

    Goethe-flashes - - -

    I

    Psychoanalyst Kurt R. Eisssler spent quite a few of his most productive New-York-years writing a biography of Goethe as the evolving genius  - the Goethe between 1775 and 1883 (= from 26 to 34 years old). A book of 1538 pages. There is a nice exemplar of it at Amazon right now for 49 dollars - another one sells for 758 dollars - so  - - -.https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000VVTB62/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_vote_lft?ie=UTF8&voteInstanceId=R2SVHD1HW09KCP&voteValue=1&csrfT=giK1YsSabjiO%2F3ysthe%2FvHKeT1LM06l%2BXTAr2YcAAAABAAAAAGAIt0hyYXcAAAAA%2B4kUEk%2F7iMGR3xPcX6iU&returnFromLogin=1#R2SVHD1HW09KCP&

    II

    Goethe was for quite some time the individual we knew most about on a day to day basis. He died at 82 years. He cultivated a friendship with the polyhistor, linguist, and Weimar Superintendent Herder and the (play)wright Schiller (Letters Concerning the Aesthetical Education of Mankind, Wilhelm Tell, the Ode to Joy in Beethoven's 9th Symphony).

    III

    He helped bring the Jena University to fruition, which (after him) saw the likes of Frege (Wittgenstein-predecessor), Haeckel (Darwin-predecessor), and during his time - Schelling, Schiller, Hegel, Brentano (folksong-collector - hard to over appreciate), Marx... Carl Zeiss, Ernst Abbe (abbe- prism...) and Otto Schott (Schott glass).
    Goethe initiated geological research in Jena (he had one of the three foremost geological collections in Europe), and Chemistry, and Biology. He made sure that all kinds of sculls were brought to Jena from the Grand-Duchy of Sachse-Weimar-Eisenach, which he served as a minister for the interior and the roads and mining). He did the design and oversee the construction of one of the most beautiful German country roads - the one between Weimar and Jena.

    His little essay On the Granite is the most astonishing modern text about science I know of (it's Popper in a nutshell, more concise and with less unnecessary - complications - than Popper's thinking).
     
    He challenged Newton in his lifelong studies of the optical field. It took about two hundred years before his optical studies were taken rather seriously and - : - are now more and more understood as a model, which fits in nicely with the findings of modern physics. Goethe's theory is founded by the idea that there are - dark rays (Dunkelstrahlung) - something which is now widely accepted in physics but was for a long time looked upon as just one more hint, that Goethe missed out completely in this field. For a starter: He conducted and described meticulously some fifty optical experiments - and all of them show what he did want to show with them - and are replicable without exception. - Roughly a dozen of loosely connected physicists all over Europe are now working on Goethe's optical studies. Almost all of his biographers were spectacularly wrong in this regard - including Eissler and an otherwise very good and approachable one, who's Goethe biography is translated into English: Rüdiger Safranski).
    https://www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/1631494899/ref=sr_1_4?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=18HSVTBM11TSQ&dchild=1&keywords=r%C3%BCdiger+safranski&qid=1611181911&sprefix=r%C3%BCdiger+safraanski%2Caps%2C231&sr=8-4

    IV

    Goethe understood quite a bit of economics - he is the first to have made use of the sealed bid auction method, which became rather popular with eBay (the best known German publisher of the 20th century, Siegfried Unseld, did write about this fact - before eBay - at some length).

    V

    Then Goethe wrote about sex, witchcraft, sorcery, science, economy, (Mick Jagger's) devil, and the truth (Faust I + II), and he impressed Nietzsche and the gentle giant Jean-Paul and the most playful of the German intellectuals - Heinrich Heine - and had a beautiful work-relationship with Friedrich von Schiller. Lots of his poems were set to music by a dozen or so great Musicians (the last one I know of being Randy Newman (Faust)).

    Yep - his bestselling novel Werther, mentioned on the Chicago statue Steve Sailer writes about, - oh - this fast and furious little book which he wrote as a 24-year-old in a few weeks, is very close to puberty as a map of the prototypical turmoils of early adulthood. It made him well known all over Europe. He felt reluctant about the fame this book brought him. - I just pinned it down - cool it, was his attitude when confronted with admirers (fans) of his biggest success during his lifetime.

    His Maxims and Reflections - a collection of thoughts, sentences, aphorisms, is a book I carry with me quite often. - It's one of my ten favorite books - for quite some time now. 

    I have very little experience with English translations of Goethe. His words have a frequency/or harmony/rhythm of the Frankfurtian Rhine-Main-dialect-sound to them. - Rough and melodic. Raspy. Apple-wine-tinted.

    His prose is clear and edgy while being charming. - The eternal older brother.

    I love, admire, and enjoy his description of his third Swiss Journey a lot (Die Schweizerreise von 1797).

    Replies: @Desiderius, @JMcG

    Thank you, Dieter. I will surely look into some of these. Good luck to you!

  302. Anon[345] • Disclaimer says:
    @Christopher Chantrill
    Poor bloody Germans.

    They invented everything from Romanticism to modern philosophy to automobobbles to modern physics. But we are all carefully taught to think of them as Literally Nazis.

    They even invented the "unconscious."

    Replies: @Deckin, @Anon

    Germany, a glorious nation shouldn’t have fallen so badly for him with disastrous consequences, he killed the German Renaissance an astonishing thing, lets remember folks like this Wittgenstein, Kafka, Freud etc, He killed it Quantum Mechanics, Relativity, Modern Mathematics were born there. Classical Music and the first attempt to master Infinity in mathematics and glorious philosophy.

    The killer of this greatest creative outburst second or only to the Greeks is you know who, “say his name”

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anon

    I'm willing to accept Freud and Kafka both as products of German civilization and as geniuses but I'm not sure everyone here does.

  303. @Tim
    Off Topic, but:

    Didn't see the inauguration, did Biden do the black-girl poem thing?

    Love it when they do the black-girl poet thing.

    Obama mixed-it up in 2012 when he did the gay-guy poet thing.

    Glad Biden brought back the traditional black-girl poet thing.

    I'm gonna take a wild guess, the poem was about her hair.

    Replies: @MEH 0910


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  304. @Steve Sailer
    @sidfal

    When the German Foreign Office heard about the Balfour Declaration, they wanted to issue their own Balfour Declaration promising Jews the same thing if the Central Powers won. Their Ottoman allies had to point out: Hey, wait a minute, we own Palestine. You can't go around giving our territory away.

    Replies: @Jon Halpenny

    The British took a real risk in capturing Palestine. They had barely enough troops to hold the Western Front. But Lloyd George decided to capture Palestine regardless and he sent many soldiers there. In 1918, the Germans attacked in the west and the British Army only held on by the skin of its teeth.

    There was a lot of controversy in the British Parliament when it was alleged Lloyd George misled the House about the number of troops on the Western Front.

    https://liberalhistory.org.uk/history/the-maurice-debate-9-may-1918/

  305. @Desiderius
    @Dieter Kief

    Well, with the present pomo horrors we finally have the empirical demonstration that boundlessness is anything but comforting.

    On this one at least it was Goethe himself who was in error.

    https://youtu.be/656r8x8j6j0

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    (my answer is maybe a bit off – but anyhow – I liked the women soloist in the green dress a lot, sitting – anmutig – on her chair – listening in a joyful mood)

    Since beauty can’t be partitioned and endows us with the impression of perfect harmony, it can’t be presented by a string of words.

    JWv Goethe in his Writings About Art / De Gérard: Portraits Historique 

    …and elegant profanity – it rolls right of my tongue – – singin’ harmony – like the Angels that live in Houston// Little Feat, Roll Um Easy / Dixie Chicks

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptYJqCLJLL8

  306. @Buzz Mohawk
    @John Johnson

    My father, a Northern Californian, told me the old joke in his family was: "Wash a Swede and you'll find a German."

    There was a lot of (proud) German ancestry in his family, which I guess is why people in my wife's country say I look German. (That's how I got this whole "German look" idea here -- which started this whole thread.) They say I look German, over there where they really know and respect Germans, but some non-Germanic geniuses here say there is no such look.

    Is there any wonder why I truly believe this whole damned world is a big, fat, tasteless joke full of idiots? It is a Confederacy of Dunces, and you can even find them right here, eating foot long hot dogs with relish. Read the damned book if this makes no sense.

    Replies: @Prester John, @Neil Templeton, @utu

    “Wash a Swede and you’ll find a German.” – There is a reason why some Germans pretend to be Swedes (Trump father).

  307. @Anon
    @Christopher Chantrill

    Germany, a glorious nation shouldn't have fallen so badly for him with disastrous consequences, he killed the German Renaissance an astonishing thing, lets remember folks like this Wittgenstein, Kafka, Freud etc, He killed it Quantum Mechanics, Relativity, Modern Mathematics were born there. Classical Music and the first attempt to master Infinity in mathematics and glorious philosophy.

    The killer of this greatest creative outburst second or only to the Greeks is you know who, "say his name"

    Replies: @Jack D

    I’m willing to accept Freud and Kafka both as products of German civilization and as geniuses but I’m not sure everyone here does.

  308. That Gal Gadot Wonder Woman movie … I didn’t see it, but who were the villains? Invaders from Mars, maybe?

  309. @Trinity
    @njguy73

    Thanks for the 411. I know the Oakland A's had some locker room squabbles back in the day or should I say Reggie Jackson had some fights with Bill North and Mike "Super Jew" Epstein. Unlike Bill North and Billy Martin, Epstein was a big man and reportedly kicked Jackson's ass. Remember seeing him and Frank Howard the Washington Monument when they both played for the Senators at Baltimore's old Memorial Stadium. Those guys looked like giants to a little boy. I believe Vida Blue and Blue Moon Odom of the A's nearly came to blows as well. The Amazing A's of the Seventies, definitely one of the most underrated dynasties in sports. Seems like Reggie had a problem every where he went. He reminds me of a certain group of people.

    Best teams of the 1970s

    1. Reds
    2. Yankees
    3. A's
    4. Orioles

    Replies: @Marty

    Slight correction on the Epstein-Jackson fight. According to George Hendrick, “I really wanted to see Epstein kick Reggie’s ass,” but it got broken up pretty quick.

  310. @Pat Hannagan
    Dwight D. Eisenhower starved the captured remaining German forces to death and handed over half of Europe to the Soviets.

    The Germanic blood had long been drained from him. He was entirely American.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF7euO5RmqI

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan, @Art Deco

    Dwight D. Eisenhower starved the captured remaining German forces to death and handed over half of Europe to the Soviets.

    He didn’t and he didn’t.

    • Agree: David In TN
  311. @David In TN
    @Jack D

    One day some years ago, I stopped for lunch at a restaurant on the Alabama-Tennessee state line. A group of people were at a nearby table. I realized they were speaking German to each other, obviously German tourists.

    They were dressed and looked just like generic Alabamans or Tennesseans.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Thirdtwin

    Were you in the Huntsville/Redstone Arsenal area?

    “Originally a chemical weapons manufacturing facility for World War II, in the immediate post-war era it became home to the German rocket scientists that were brought to the US as part of Operation Paperclip.”

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Thirdtwin

    No I was not. The restaurant was on the state line. And these people were in their late 20s and spoke German to each other.

    I was working in Decatur, Alabama then. I sometimes went to Huntsville's large public library. One day, around 1995, I saw an elderly man reading a newspaper in the "Foreign Section," which had several German newspapers and magazines. He looked to be in his late 70s. I thought immediately he was one of the German scientists/technicians, now retired and living in the Huntsville area.

  312. @Buffalo Joe
    @Dan Hayes

    Dan, Monica was the instigator and willing participant.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    Buffalo, but nothing to do with the price of meat in China!

  313. Tolkien was right that the west lost their best and brightest in WW I and won’t recover.

    Woodrow Wilson destroyed America as a nation to create an empire.

    • Agree: Malla
  314. @Thirdtwin
    @David In TN

    Were you in the Huntsville/Redstone Arsenal area?

    “Originally a chemical weapons manufacturing facility for World War II, in the immediate post-war era it became home to the German rocket scientists that were brought to the US as part of Operation Paperclip.”

    Replies: @David In TN

    No I was not. The restaurant was on the state line. And these people were in their late 20s and spoke German to each other.

    I was working in Decatur, Alabama then. I sometimes went to Huntsville’s large public library. One day, around 1995, I saw an elderly man reading a newspaper in the “Foreign Section,” which had several German newspapers and magazines. He looked to be in his late 70s. I thought immediately he was one of the German scientists/technicians, now retired and living in the Huntsville area.

  315. @Hibernian
    @John Up North

    The Berghoff downtown survives as a pale shadow of its former self, or did prior to COVID, anyway.

    Replies: @John Up North

    Yeah I’m not sure about The Berghoff. You may be right. I don’t mind German food, but I know a lot of people who don’t like it. Northern and Central European food can be pretty bland.

  316. @Elli
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    There were German speaking public schools, German speaking churches in the Midwest. Diplomas and marriage certificates in German.

    My Minnesotan-born grandmother spoke German at home. When the anti-German campaign started, classmates threw rocks at the German children. Her uncle, the head of the family, decreed that the family would speak only English thereafter.

    Replies: @Another Canadian, @Ganderson, @Redman, @Reg Cæsar

    My Minnesotan-born grandmother spoke German at home.

    I knew a professor whose mother was born in Minnesota to Pomeranian immigrants. Though a third- (or second- if you’re fussy) generation American, she learned grandma’s tongue straight from the source. This professor and a relative toured West Germany in the ’60s or ’70s, and got nasty stares from people who heard them speak.

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