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Update: Sorry about the double post. I’ll leave it up so commenters who started on this one can carry on in these comments. But if you are just starting out commenting, use the post above.

Yeah, well that’s what you say , but 1960s London was not diverse so therefore it could NOT have had any interesting pop culture.

What did you have back then?



The Rolling Stones, Carnaby Street fashion, Peter O’Toole and Richard Harris, Led Zeppelin, Tom Stoppard, The Who, Michael Caine, The Kinks, and Monty Python?

But now London has knife/acid attacks!

See?

From The Guardian:

John Cleese criticised for saying London no longer an English city

Sadiq Khan and comedian Dom Joly among those condemning ‘racist’ and ‘hypocritical’ claims

Aamna Mohdin and Mattha Busby

Wed 29 May 2019

The Fawlty Towers actor John Cleese has been criticised for repeating his 2011 claim that London was no longer an English city.

Cleese, 79, tweeted that his friends abroad agreed with his observation, concluding: “So there must be some truth in it.” The comedian described London as “the UK city that voted most strongly to remain in the EU”. Almost 60% of residents voted to stay in the bloc in 2016.

The actor later issued a qualified apology following widespread condemnation. In a string of tweets countering accusations that his initial tweet was linked to race, he said: “I suspect I should apologise for my affection for the Englishness of my upbringing, but in some ways I found it calmer, more polite, more humorous, less tabloid, and less money-oriented than the one that is replacing it.”

The mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, said: “These comments make John Cleese sound like he’s in character as Basil Fawlty. Londoners know that our diversity is our greatest strength.”

Okay, Cleese, sure, London used to have this back in your day:

But now London now has this!

You can’t deny that London now has Diversity. Look how Diverse these guys are. One guy even has a red hat:

 
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  1. Sir Michael Caine and Sir Michael Palin were having a minor to and fro on John Cleese’s comments on the telly last night. Caine is definitely in Cleese’s corner being an outspoken backer of Brexit, the Conservative Party and having made similar comments in the past.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Brexit will not stop gyppos and BN from coming to their erstwhile capital city. If anything, it will make it less likely for people who were not indoctrinated in British superiority, such as Christians from Eastern Europe and South America, to balance the Muslim/Hindu influx.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Sir Michael Caine and Sir Michael Palin were having a minor to and fro on John Cleese’s comments on the telly last night.
     
    I'm shocked. Caine is still alive?

    Palin opposes Brexit, but he stood up for his troupe last year when it was termed "too white and Oxbridge" for today's audience:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6451651/Legendary-Monty-Python-writer-Michael-Palin-slams-Brexit-calls-Donald-Trump-completely-idiotic.html

    Caine is a Londoner by birth. The Brunel Museum graces his part of town:

    5 reasons why Rotherhithe is the best place to live in London




    None of the Pythons are. They were born in Somerset (Cleese), Tyneside (Eric Idle), Sheffield (Palin), Leicester (Graham Chapman), Colwyn Bay, Clwyd (Terry Jones), and Minneapolis (Terry Gilliam.)


    Let us know when Chapman weighs in on Brexit.
  2. Hasn’t Cleese been a regular purveyor of the boilerplate progressive line over the last 15 years or so? And at 79, I would have hoped he was finally in the ZF’sG years but nope, let the groveling commence. Is there some new kids book being made into a movie that he desires some small part in?

    • Replies: @An Aussie
    In his defense, the British - proper British - were very polite and apologetic to a fault.
    , @Logan
    Saw an interview with him a couple years ago where he expressed (somewhat limited) regret about the ferocity with which Monty Python had gone after traditional (especially upper-class) English values.

    Recognized that there was a lot of good in those values, along with a lot of bad.

    Have no idea if this vid is still available anywhere.
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    The standard progressive boilerplate has become so insipidly smug and commonplace that it's a wonder somebody like John Cleese hasn't departed from it solely for the sake of being edgy.
  3. They boast about how London (or Toronto or Sydney) is a “global city” and then scream “racism!” when someone says the same thing in a different way.

    John Cleese is a good comedian but, in the last five decades, did he ever use his comic skills to say “that’s probably enough vibrancy now’?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Khan specifically described London as “a great global city" when explaining that terrorism is just part of the package these days.
  4. Too little, too late…

    After all, it was Cleese’s generation that sent it all to the dogs. Why didn’t he speak up in the 80s? The 90s, even?
    Before (tens of?) thousands of little English girls were raped?

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon, Kylie
  5. “These comments make John Cleese sound like he’s in character as Basil Fawlty. Londoners know that our diversity is our greatest strength.”

    The greatest strength used to be Industrialization and the Navy (wood or steel) with the exploited whiteys therein.

    And possibly inter-war veterinarians.

    Cleese moves to the Carribean. At least the climate will be better.

    Meanwhile, the unsinkable Gordon Brown:

    There’s a new battle for Britain: resistance to Nigel Farage

    The new division in British politics is between the patriotic majority – tolerant, fair-minded, outward-looking and pragmatic – against the Faragists, who will follow Farage wherever he goes. The dogmatism and divisiveness of their them-versus-us nationalism has more in common with the Le Pens, the Salvinis and the Orbans, and of course the Trumps and Putins, than with the enduring values of the British people.

    Talk about false dichotomies and inventing “enduring values of the British people” that coincidentally fit globalism.

    • Replies: @Charon


    British Army issues guide to identifying patriots and other right-wing extremists


    Patriotism is now regarded as a possible warning sign of right-wing extremism in the army, a leaked document has revealed.

    The document advises officers to watch out for people who “use the term Islamofascism” and make “inaccurate generalisations about the Left”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2019/05/29/14106516-7082855-image-m-191_1559144652832_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bqv3hxuICTza90rxjOncu1SExXZWDPUjwKjGRreZ9ixL4.jpg
     

    If you see something, say something...or shoot to kill, depending on how racist you think they are. Or if you think they may have made inaccurate generalisations about the Left.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/05/29/army-guide-spot-right-wing-extremists-warns-identify-patriots/

    , @bgates
    "There is a division in Britain. On one side: us. On the other: The divisive! Their refusal to recognize the shared Britishness of those who come to our shores from around the world reminds us of a long list of hateful foreigners. We, on the other hand, reject the crude "us vs them" politics that drives those people. Our goal is an United Kingdom that celebrates the rights of all to be here, and there is no place on these islands for any who disagree."
    , @Louis Renault
    Gordon Brown is showing a great deal of intolerance, prejudice, xenophobia and is manufacturing distrust and disunity by his slanderous description of the people who won the referendum in 2016.
    , @Verymuchalive

    Meanwhile, the unsinkable Gordon Brown:
     
    Unsinkable is not the epithet I would use to describe Gordon Brown. Subterranean is much more apt. Despite lucrative consultancy work, he keeps a very low profile. The odd newspaper article about his bêtes noires, Farage and ex SNP leader Alex Salmond, are about the only things that make most people realise that he is still alive.
    Few people know that he continues to live near Edinburgh and his children attend the local secondary school. To save money ? Residual socialist principles ? I don't know.
    Because of his rather unusual "retirement", the British MSM rarely mention him, especially not his personal circumstances. Presumably, this is due to concerns for the safety of his family.
    But, give the man his due. In the event of Scottish Independence, he would continue to live in Scotland, unlike some supporters of independence who would quickly leave if their wishes were granted.
    , @Desiderius
    There is that whole Sun Never Sets thing.

    Brexit can only be sold in terms of the Queen and Her MPs v the EU, not anti-globalism. That’s too much a come-down.

  6. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Hasn't Cleese been a regular purveyor of the boilerplate progressive line over the last 15 years or so? And at 79, I would have hoped he was finally in the ZF'sG years but nope, let the groveling commence. Is there some new kids book being made into a movie that he desires some small part in?

    In his defense, the British – proper British – were very polite and apologetic to a fault.

  7. @El Dato

    “These comments make John Cleese sound like he’s in character as Basil Fawlty. Londoners know that our diversity is our greatest strength.”

     

    The greatest strength used to be Industrialization and the Navy (wood or steel) with the exploited whiteys therein.

    And possibly inter-war veterinarians.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkFMDAwVR9E

    Cleese moves to the Carribean. At least the climate will be better.

    Meanwhile, the unsinkable Gordon Brown:

    There’s a new battle for Britain: resistance to Nigel Farage

    The new division in British politics is between the patriotic majority – tolerant, fair-minded, outward-looking and pragmatic – against the Faragists, who will follow Farage wherever he goes. The dogmatism and divisiveness of their them-versus-us nationalism has more in common with the Le Pens, the Salvinis and the Orbans, and of course the Trumps and Putins, than with the enduring values of the British people.

     

    Talk about false dichotomies and inventing "enduring values of the British people" that coincidentally fit globalism.


    British Army issues guide to identifying patriots and other right-wing extremists

    Patriotism is now regarded as a possible warning sign of right-wing extremism in the army, a leaked document has revealed.

    The document advises officers to watch out for people who “use the term Islamofascism” and make “inaccurate generalisations about the Left”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2019/05/29/14106516-7082855-image-m-191_1559144652832_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bqv3hxuICTza90rxjOncu1SExXZWDPUjwKjGRreZ9ixL4.jpg

    If you see something, say something…or shoot to kill, depending on how racist you think they are. Or if you think they may have made inaccurate generalisations about the Left.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/05/29/army-guide-spot-right-wing-extremists-warns-identify-patriots/

  8. Well at least they’re not speaking German, right?

  9. Nothing like being lectured about Englishness by a Pakistani.

    As for Dom Joly (born Beirut to Brit parents, privately educated – the Dragon School sure has a stellar alumni list, must be where dons send their kids), this extract from his wiki shows how English he thinks London is – not English enough for raising children.

    “Joly is married to a Canadian graphic designer. Having lived in Notting Hill before their children were born, Joly and his wife bought a property in the Cotswolds. They sold his flat to Salman Rushdie and the family now live near Cirencester.”

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    This is despite persistent rumours that his father was actually a Swiss Diplomat. His Wikipedia is not very convincing on his British parentage. Time for a bit more digging.
  10. OT: I see that Netflix and Disney loudly demand their baby sacrifices. There shall be no vapid, nihilist entertainment in Georgia unless abortions resume.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Isn’t 90% of the Georgia film industry Madea movies?

    http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/tyler-perrys-a-madea-christmas-poster1.jpg
    , @Desiderius
    Uncle Clarence bout to take the wood to all these two-faced sons-of-bitches. The Plan to reduce black Parenthood will not survive the light of day.
  11. Sadiq Khan is the reverse Raj. Pakistan’s viceroy over London.

  12. @El Dato

    “These comments make John Cleese sound like he’s in character as Basil Fawlty. Londoners know that our diversity is our greatest strength.”

     

    The greatest strength used to be Industrialization and the Navy (wood or steel) with the exploited whiteys therein.

    And possibly inter-war veterinarians.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkFMDAwVR9E

    Cleese moves to the Carribean. At least the climate will be better.

    Meanwhile, the unsinkable Gordon Brown:

    There’s a new battle for Britain: resistance to Nigel Farage

    The new division in British politics is between the patriotic majority – tolerant, fair-minded, outward-looking and pragmatic – against the Faragists, who will follow Farage wherever he goes. The dogmatism and divisiveness of their them-versus-us nationalism has more in common with the Le Pens, the Salvinis and the Orbans, and of course the Trumps and Putins, than with the enduring values of the British people.

     

    Talk about false dichotomies and inventing "enduring values of the British people" that coincidentally fit globalism.

    “There is a division in Britain. On one side: us. On the other: The divisive! Their refusal to recognize the shared Britishness of those who come to our shores from around the world reminds us of a long list of hateful foreigners. We, on the other hand, reject the crude “us vs them” politics that drives those people. Our goal is an United Kingdom that celebrates the rights of all to be here, and there is no place on these islands for any who disagree.”

  13. bored identity strongly believes that looking for an advice from Khan’s Academy on anything but cricket is detrimental to Western Civilization.

  14. @LondonBob
    Sir Michael Caine and Sir Michael Palin were having a minor to and fro on John Cleese's comments on the telly last night. Caine is definitely in Cleese's corner being an outspoken backer of Brexit, the Conservative Party and having made similar comments in the past.

    Brexit will not stop gyppos and BN from coming to their erstwhile capital city. If anything, it will make it less likely for people who were not indoctrinated in British superiority, such as Christians from Eastern Europe and South America, to balance the Muslim/Hindu influx.

  15. @Cagey Beast
    They boast about how London (or Toronto or Sydney) is a "global city" and then scream "racism!" when someone says the same thing in a different way.

    John Cleese is a good comedian but, in the last five decades, did he ever use his comic skills to say "that's probably enough vibrancy now'?

    Khan specifically described London as “a great global city” when explaining that terrorism is just part of the package these days.

  16. @El Dato

    “These comments make John Cleese sound like he’s in character as Basil Fawlty. Londoners know that our diversity is our greatest strength.”

     

    The greatest strength used to be Industrialization and the Navy (wood or steel) with the exploited whiteys therein.

    And possibly inter-war veterinarians.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkFMDAwVR9E

    Cleese moves to the Carribean. At least the climate will be better.

    Meanwhile, the unsinkable Gordon Brown:

    There’s a new battle for Britain: resistance to Nigel Farage

    The new division in British politics is between the patriotic majority – tolerant, fair-minded, outward-looking and pragmatic – against the Faragists, who will follow Farage wherever he goes. The dogmatism and divisiveness of their them-versus-us nationalism has more in common with the Le Pens, the Salvinis and the Orbans, and of course the Trumps and Putins, than with the enduring values of the British people.

     

    Talk about false dichotomies and inventing "enduring values of the British people" that coincidentally fit globalism.

    Gordon Brown is showing a great deal of intolerance, prejudice, xenophobia and is manufacturing distrust and disunity by his slanderous description of the people who won the referendum in 2016.

  17. John Cleese is making these pronouncements from the ‘Black’ island of Nevis. Nevis is small, I can imagine it becoming the ‘White’ island of Nevis if it already isn’t. Kids? No troubles, the world is filled with Hogwarts type boarding schools for your little wizards. The Caribbean might be the last place a White Brit family can live like White Brits.

    This might be a trend. As once Euro cities fill up with non Euros, who are not easily controlled, wealthy Euros move to countries like Nigeria that are already full of non Euros and are willing and able to control them, and don’t care about your opinion of the Lagos PD. Don’t like Pakistanis, no problem, move to Pakistan. Just STFU about religion and India and you won’t have a single problem.

    UK has been an empire for most of written history. The ‘Queen’ is actually and Empress. The only way to preserve the Empire was to bring all the various peoples to the British Isles. The guy who started it all was Health Minister Enoch ‘rivers of blood’ Powell, who was trained his whole life to operate an Empire and couldn’t give that up after the WWII collapse.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The ‘Queen’ is actually an Empress.
     
    Whereas the Emperor is actually a King.

    And a competent violist, as well:

    Japan has a new viola-playing Emperor, and Donald Trump just gave him a viola

    Trump gifts viola to new Japanese emperor


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg4E7sSBoyQ&feature=youtu.be
    , @Pericles
    As I suppose we all know, the Caribbean is 'black' only because of imported slaves, by necessity more recently arrived than any whites. Their connection to Nevis is no more special than that.
  18. The horrible thing about confronting this reality–and part of the reason the Khans of the world want to suppress talk like Cleese’s–is that we also come face-to-face with the question of which we value more–an English London or a moral life and politics.

  19. Maybe someone with better eyesight can spot the red hat in all that diversity…

  20. I spent a year in London from 2015 to 2016. London is not only not English, it’s not even European. And the evident objective of its leaders is to convert it into something resembling Shanghai-on-the-Thames.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I spent a year in London from 2015 to 2016. London is not only not English, it’s not even European. And the evident objective of its leaders is to convert it into something resembling Shanghai-on-the-Thames.
     
    Empire is like plumbing. It can back up and cause a mess.
    , @Lot
    “Shanghai-on-the-Thames”

    Sounds better than Bangladesh-with-snow.
  21. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Hasn't Cleese been a regular purveyor of the boilerplate progressive line over the last 15 years or so? And at 79, I would have hoped he was finally in the ZF'sG years but nope, let the groveling commence. Is there some new kids book being made into a movie that he desires some small part in?

    Saw an interview with him a couple years ago where he expressed (somewhat limited) regret about the ferocity with which Monty Python had gone after traditional (especially upper-class) English values.

    Recognized that there was a lot of good in those values, along with a lot of bad.

    Have no idea if this vid is still available anywhere.

  22. Shouldn’t Cleese, or someone, point out to Khan that Khan isn’t English? I know that’s the unspoken part of the argument, but why not point out the obvious?

  23. Anon[386] • Disclaimer says:

    People like the Beatles and Stones globalized and barbarized British culture and attitudes with American Pop Culture. British women turned into libertine whores in mini-skirts. 70s punk culture waged war on middle class culture. They sowed the seeds of the current mess.

    Sir Paul McCartney can’t get enough of the Africanization of UK.

    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    Sir Paul spends a lot of time in LILLY WHITE AMAGANSETT slightly north of M-13 Gang Banger East Hampton High School....

    I stood next to Sir Paul at the Jimmy Buffet warm-up-before Tour...at Steven Talkhouse.......

    George Harrison’s great nephew George Rogers who is Native to Abe Lincoln’s home state outraged by Sir Paul’s story about the Beattles circle jerk in the dark in 1963....that’s just two years before the passage of the 1965 NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN EXTERMINATION ACT!!!! ...He said he couldn’t imagine Uncle George ever doing that....

  24. John Cleese forgot he was White and got all uppity. The future for every White man non stop groveling.

  25. Anonymous[218] • Disclaimer says:

    There should be more now/then pictorials of how mass immigration has destroyed cities and towns in Europe and America. Also, over here/over there pictorials basically demonstrating that you can take the wog out of the caliphate, but you can’t take the caliphate out of the wog.

  26. “Diversity is Our Greatest Strength.”

    Why?

    They never say. Something about restaurants, or something. Saag Paneer rotting in the kitchens.

    The more accurate statement, or the most polite version of it, is: “Diversity is Our Greatest Challenge.”

    The reality is that ‘Diversity’ as defined by the likes of Mayor Khan, is our greatest weakness. It is our soft underbelly. Which is why Mayor Khan loves it so.

    • Replies: @anon
    We're all the same under the skin, so to achieve diversity all we need to do is have lots of people wear black-face, yellow-face, brown-face, green-face, and what have you. Recipes for exotic dishes are easy to come by. Though I suppose honor killings, death for apostates, etc. will be a bit of a problem
  27. Why is it so hard to say: “To be English you have to be of English descent”? (‘descent’ is such a less triggering word than ‘blood’).

  28. @LondonBob
    Sir Michael Caine and Sir Michael Palin were having a minor to and fro on John Cleese's comments on the telly last night. Caine is definitely in Cleese's corner being an outspoken backer of Brexit, the Conservative Party and having made similar comments in the past.

    Sir Michael Caine and Sir Michael Palin were having a minor to and fro on John Cleese’s comments on the telly last night.

    I’m shocked. Caine is still alive?

    Palin opposes Brexit, but he stood up for his troupe last year when it was termed “too white and Oxbridge” for today’s audience:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6451651/Legendary-Monty-Python-writer-Michael-Palin-slams-Brexit-calls-Donald-Trump-completely-idiotic.html

    Caine is a Londoner by birth. The Brunel Museum graces his part of town:

    5 reasons why Rotherhithe is the best place to live in London

    None of the Pythons are. They were born in Somerset (Cleese), Tyneside (Eric Idle), Sheffield (Palin), Leicester (Graham Chapman), Colwyn Bay, Clwyd (Terry Jones), and Minneapolis (Terry Gilliam.)

    Let us know when Chapman weighs in on Brexit.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    Imperator Caesar Reginaldus, you must know that Graham Chapman has been dead for 30 years. He was an early exponent of homomania and all that entails. Indeed, Idle was recently advocating an embargo of Russia because it did not give the stamp of approval for sodomites.
    I am old enough to remember Monty Python the first time. I found few of their jokes funny. Cleese, Jones and Idle quickly developed into smug liberal media types.
    Obviously, you are too young to remember any of this - you still have school age children, as you keep on telling us.
    Monty Python were not funny first time. Its components only continued to have lucrative careers due to extensive BBC patronage.
    , @Desiderius
    I have little doubt that the path which the UK has in fact taken would be exactly the kind of thing that cheeky bastard would have in mind.
  29. @Diversity Heretic
    I spent a year in London from 2015 to 2016. London is not only not English, it's not even European. And the evident objective of its leaders is to convert it into something resembling Shanghai-on-the-Thames.

    I spent a year in London from 2015 to 2016. London is not only not English, it’s not even European. And the evident objective of its leaders is to convert it into something resembling Shanghai-on-the-Thames.

    Empire is like plumbing. It can back up and cause a mess.

  30. @George
    John Cleese is making these pronouncements from the 'Black' island of Nevis. Nevis is small, I can imagine it becoming the 'White' island of Nevis if it already isn't. Kids? No troubles, the world is filled with Hogwarts type boarding schools for your little wizards. The Caribbean might be the last place a White Brit family can live like White Brits.

    This might be a trend. As once Euro cities fill up with non Euros, who are not easily controlled, wealthy Euros move to countries like Nigeria that are already full of non Euros and are willing and able to control them, and don't care about your opinion of the Lagos PD. Don't like Pakistanis, no problem, move to Pakistan. Just STFU about religion and India and you won't have a single problem.

    UK has been an empire for most of written history. The 'Queen' is actually and Empress. The only way to preserve the Empire was to bring all the various peoples to the British Isles. The guy who started it all was Health Minister Enoch 'rivers of blood' Powell, who was trained his whole life to operate an Empire and couldn't give that up after the WWII collapse.
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    But is it a TRUMP brand viola!?
  31. I always get Sadiq Khan mixed up with Sajid Khan:

    By the way, this is not the same Sajid Khan who was just #MeTooed in Bollywood.

    Sajid Khan accused of sexual harassment by three women. Read details here

    Asia is in dire need of more surnames.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Genghis will do that to a continent.
  32. @El Dato

    “These comments make John Cleese sound like he’s in character as Basil Fawlty. Londoners know that our diversity is our greatest strength.”

     

    The greatest strength used to be Industrialization and the Navy (wood or steel) with the exploited whiteys therein.

    And possibly inter-war veterinarians.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkFMDAwVR9E

    Cleese moves to the Carribean. At least the climate will be better.

    Meanwhile, the unsinkable Gordon Brown:

    There’s a new battle for Britain: resistance to Nigel Farage

    The new division in British politics is between the patriotic majority – tolerant, fair-minded, outward-looking and pragmatic – against the Faragists, who will follow Farage wherever he goes. The dogmatism and divisiveness of their them-versus-us nationalism has more in common with the Le Pens, the Salvinis and the Orbans, and of course the Trumps and Putins, than with the enduring values of the British people.

     

    Talk about false dichotomies and inventing "enduring values of the British people" that coincidentally fit globalism.

    Meanwhile, the unsinkable Gordon Brown:

    Unsinkable is not the epithet I would use to describe Gordon Brown. Subterranean is much more apt. Despite lucrative consultancy work, he keeps a very low profile. The odd newspaper article about his bêtes noires, Farage and ex SNP leader Alex Salmond, are about the only things that make most people realise that he is still alive.
    Few people know that he continues to live near Edinburgh and his children attend the local secondary school. To save money ? Residual socialist principles ? I don’t know.
    Because of his rather unusual “retirement”, the British MSM rarely mention him, especially not his personal circumstances. Presumably, this is due to concerns for the safety of his family.
    But, give the man his due. In the event of Scottish Independence, he would continue to live in Scotland, unlike some supporters of independence who would quickly leave if their wishes were granted.

  33. @YetAnotherAnon
    Nothing like being lectured about Englishness by a Pakistani.

    As for Dom Joly (born Beirut to Brit parents, privately educated - the Dragon School sure has a stellar alumni list, must be where dons send their kids), this extract from his wiki shows how English he thinks London is - not English enough for raising children.

    "Joly is married to a Canadian graphic designer. Having lived in Notting Hill before their children were born, Joly and his wife bought a property in the Cotswolds. They sold his flat to Salman Rushdie and the family now live near Cirencester."

    This is despite persistent rumours that his father was actually a Swiss Diplomat. His Wikipedia is not very convincing on his British parentage. Time for a bit more digging.

  34. @Anon
    People like the Beatles and Stones globalized and barbarized British culture and attitudes with American Pop Culture. British women turned into libertine whores in mini-skirts. 70s punk culture waged war on middle class culture. They sowed the seeds of the current mess.

    Sir Paul McCartney can't get enough of the Africanization of UK.

    Sir Paul spends a lot of time in LILLY WHITE AMAGANSETT slightly north of M-13 Gang Banger East Hampton High School….

    I stood next to Sir Paul at the Jimmy Buffet warm-up-before Tour…at Steven Talkhouse…….

    George Harrison’s great nephew George Rogers who is Native to Abe Lincoln’s home state outraged by Sir Paul’s story about the Beattles circle jerk in the dark in 1963….that’s just two years before the passage of the 1965 NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN EXTERMINATION ACT!!!! …He said he couldn’t imagine Uncle George ever doing that….

  35. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Hasn't Cleese been a regular purveyor of the boilerplate progressive line over the last 15 years or so? And at 79, I would have hoped he was finally in the ZF'sG years but nope, let the groveling commence. Is there some new kids book being made into a movie that he desires some small part in?

    The standard progressive boilerplate has become so insipidly smug and commonplace that it’s a wonder somebody like John Cleese hasn’t departed from it solely for the sake of being edgy.

  36. @Reg Cæsar

    Sir Michael Caine and Sir Michael Palin were having a minor to and fro on John Cleese’s comments on the telly last night.
     
    I'm shocked. Caine is still alive?

    Palin opposes Brexit, but he stood up for his troupe last year when it was termed "too white and Oxbridge" for today's audience:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6451651/Legendary-Monty-Python-writer-Michael-Palin-slams-Brexit-calls-Donald-Trump-completely-idiotic.html

    Caine is a Londoner by birth. The Brunel Museum graces his part of town:

    5 reasons why Rotherhithe is the best place to live in London




    None of the Pythons are. They were born in Somerset (Cleese), Tyneside (Eric Idle), Sheffield (Palin), Leicester (Graham Chapman), Colwyn Bay, Clwyd (Terry Jones), and Minneapolis (Terry Gilliam.)


    Let us know when Chapman weighs in on Brexit.

    Imperator Caesar Reginaldus, you must know that Graham Chapman has been dead for 30 years. He was an early exponent of homomania and all that entails. Indeed, Idle was recently advocating an embargo of Russia because it did not give the stamp of approval for sodomites.
    I am old enough to remember Monty Python the first time. I found few of their jokes funny. Cleese, Jones and Idle quickly developed into smug liberal media types.
    Obviously, you are too young to remember any of this – you still have school age children, as you keep on telling us.
    Monty Python were not funny first time. Its components only continued to have lucrative careers due to extensive BBC patronage.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I am old enough to remember Monty Python the first time. I found few of their jokes funny.
     
    The trouble with the original show is that they had a few brilliant moments with a lot of filler-- a problem with a lot of in-house operations. E.g., watch the entire eight-minute parrot sketch, compared to the two-minute highlight everyone remembers. Terry Jones even admits therein "It's not easy padding these out to thirty minutes!"

    Obviously, you are too young to remember any of this – you still have school age children, as you keep on telling us.
     
    I remember the '70s quite well, thank you. I walked around a large military base looking for one TV that was tuned to anything but "Charley's Angels" so I could watch Python on PBS. Never found one.

    I only bring up my kids when it's germane to the topic. (Steve's own policy as well.) I guess this happens more often than I thought. The topic is often the future of the country they'll inherit.

    Where they came up with the Ben Shapiro bee parody is anybody's guess.


    Imperator Caesar Reginaldus, you must know that Graham Chapman has been dead for 30 years.
     
    Yes, and I assumed everyone else knows it as well. It was a joke. Sorry it didn't go over.
  37. @Reg Cæsar

    The ‘Queen’ is actually an Empress.
     
    Whereas the Emperor is actually a King.

    And a competent violist, as well:

    Japan has a new viola-playing Emperor, and Donald Trump just gave him a viola

    Trump gifts viola to new Japanese emperor


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg4E7sSBoyQ&feature=youtu.be

    But is it a TRUMP brand viola!?

  38. @Verymuchalive
    Imperator Caesar Reginaldus, you must know that Graham Chapman has been dead for 30 years. He was an early exponent of homomania and all that entails. Indeed, Idle was recently advocating an embargo of Russia because it did not give the stamp of approval for sodomites.
    I am old enough to remember Monty Python the first time. I found few of their jokes funny. Cleese, Jones and Idle quickly developed into smug liberal media types.
    Obviously, you are too young to remember any of this - you still have school age children, as you keep on telling us.
    Monty Python were not funny first time. Its components only continued to have lucrative careers due to extensive BBC patronage.

    I am old enough to remember Monty Python the first time. I found few of their jokes funny.

    The trouble with the original show is that they had a few brilliant moments with a lot of filler– a problem with a lot of in-house operations. E.g., watch the entire eight-minute parrot sketch, compared to the two-minute highlight everyone remembers. Terry Jones even admits therein “It’s not easy padding these out to thirty minutes!”

    Obviously, you are too young to remember any of this – you still have school age children, as you keep on telling us.

    I remember the ’70s quite well, thank you. I walked around a large military base looking for one TV that was tuned to anything but “Charley’s Angels” so I could watch Python on PBS. Never found one.

    I only bring up my kids when it’s germane to the topic. (Steve’s own policy as well.) I guess this happens more often than I thought. The topic is often the future of the country they’ll inherit.

    Where they came up with the Ben Shapiro bee parody is anybody’s guess.

    Imperator Caesar Reginaldus, you must know that Graham Chapman has been dead for 30 years.

    Yes, and I assumed everyone else knows it as well. It was a joke. Sorry it didn’t go over.

  39. TG says:

    The thing to remember is that entertainers and artists are not in any sense of the word ‘liberal.’ You need to understand that, overwhelmingly, the career of an entertainer depends very strongly on not rocking the boats of the monied interests. They need access to producers, and funding sources, and network executives, and curators, and donors – they are under the microscope in ways that, for example, truck drivers and commercial fishermen are not. Artists can say things that SOUND liberal, and they can natter on about abortion and gay rights, but on matters of substance – such as using the surplus population of the third world to drive wages down and rents and profits up – artists are forced into utter unthinking conformity. They would destroy their careers beyond repair if they step out of line.

  40. @Pericles
    OT: I see that Netflix and Disney loudly demand their baby sacrifices. There shall be no vapid, nihilist entertainment in Georgia unless abortions resume.

    Isn’t 90% of the Georgia film industry Madea movies?

  41. @Diversity Heretic
    I spent a year in London from 2015 to 2016. London is not only not English, it's not even European. And the evident objective of its leaders is to convert it into something resembling Shanghai-on-the-Thames.

    “Shanghai-on-the-Thames”

    Sounds better than Bangladesh-with-snow.

  42. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose
    "Diversity is Our Greatest Strength."

    Why?

    They never say. Something about restaurants, or something. Saag Paneer rotting in the kitchens.

    The more accurate statement, or the most polite version of it, is: "Diversity is Our Greatest Challenge."

    The reality is that 'Diversity' as defined by the likes of Mayor Khan, is our greatest weakness. It is our soft underbelly. Which is why Mayor Khan loves it so.

    We’re all the same under the skin, so to achieve diversity all we need to do is have lots of people wear black-face, yellow-face, brown-face, green-face, and what have you. Recipes for exotic dishes are easy to come by. Though I suppose honor killings, death for apostates, etc. will be a bit of a problem

  43. Did Cleese publicly support the National Front or the BNP? The current situation could have been easily avoided if people like Cleese had spoken up in the past.

  44. @El Dato

    “These comments make John Cleese sound like he’s in character as Basil Fawlty. Londoners know that our diversity is our greatest strength.”

     

    The greatest strength used to be Industrialization and the Navy (wood or steel) with the exploited whiteys therein.

    And possibly inter-war veterinarians.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkFMDAwVR9E

    Cleese moves to the Carribean. At least the climate will be better.

    Meanwhile, the unsinkable Gordon Brown:

    There’s a new battle for Britain: resistance to Nigel Farage

    The new division in British politics is between the patriotic majority – tolerant, fair-minded, outward-looking and pragmatic – against the Faragists, who will follow Farage wherever he goes. The dogmatism and divisiveness of their them-versus-us nationalism has more in common with the Le Pens, the Salvinis and the Orbans, and of course the Trumps and Putins, than with the enduring values of the British people.

     

    Talk about false dichotomies and inventing "enduring values of the British people" that coincidentally fit globalism.

    There is that whole Sun Never Sets thing.

    Brexit can only be sold in terms of the Queen and Her MPs v the EU, not anti-globalism. That’s too much a come-down.

  45. @Pericles
    OT: I see that Netflix and Disney loudly demand their baby sacrifices. There shall be no vapid, nihilist entertainment in Georgia unless abortions resume.

    Uncle Clarence bout to take the wood to all these two-faced sons-of-bitches. The Plan to reduce black Parenthood will not survive the light of day.

  46. @Reg Cæsar

    Sir Michael Caine and Sir Michael Palin were having a minor to and fro on John Cleese’s comments on the telly last night.
     
    I'm shocked. Caine is still alive?

    Palin opposes Brexit, but he stood up for his troupe last year when it was termed "too white and Oxbridge" for today's audience:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6451651/Legendary-Monty-Python-writer-Michael-Palin-slams-Brexit-calls-Donald-Trump-completely-idiotic.html

    Caine is a Londoner by birth. The Brunel Museum graces his part of town:

    5 reasons why Rotherhithe is the best place to live in London




    None of the Pythons are. They were born in Somerset (Cleese), Tyneside (Eric Idle), Sheffield (Palin), Leicester (Graham Chapman), Colwyn Bay, Clwyd (Terry Jones), and Minneapolis (Terry Gilliam.)


    Let us know when Chapman weighs in on Brexit.

    I have little doubt that the path which the UK has in fact taken would be exactly the kind of thing that cheeky bastard would have in mind.

  47. @Reg Cæsar
    I always get Sadiq Khan mixed up with Sajid Khan:


    https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BKMW3E/maya-1966-sajid-khan-jay-north-john-berry-dir-maya-003p-BKMW3E.jpg


    By the way, this is not the same Sajid Khan who was just #MeTooed in Bollywood.


    Sajid Khan accused of sexual harassment by three women. Read details here

    Asia is in dire need of more surnames.

    Genghis will do that to a continent.

  48. By the first time around, I meant the 1960s rather than the 1970s. Monty Python first appeared in 1969. Prior to that Cleese and others had appeared in the 1948 Show, TW3 and various outings in the Edinburgh Fringe ( my older brother actually saw Cleese in Fringe shows, so I really am showing my age )
    Monty Python lasted from 1969 to 1974 on TV. The BBC spent a great deal of time pushing them. But they were not remotely as funny or popular as The Goodies, who were the best new comedy act of the period. Outside Britain, the latter were popular in Australia and New Zealand. I don’t know if any of their shows ever got over to N America. If you get the chance, download some of their old shows. They really were excellent at visual and slapstick comedy. Indeed, many TV comedians of the time employed slapstick segments, even the much maligned Benny Hill. Now TV and film comedy is virtually all verbal. Hopefully, the pendulum will swing back soon.

    Reply to Reg Caesar #39

  49. @George
    John Cleese is making these pronouncements from the 'Black' island of Nevis. Nevis is small, I can imagine it becoming the 'White' island of Nevis if it already isn't. Kids? No troubles, the world is filled with Hogwarts type boarding schools for your little wizards. The Caribbean might be the last place a White Brit family can live like White Brits.

    This might be a trend. As once Euro cities fill up with non Euros, who are not easily controlled, wealthy Euros move to countries like Nigeria that are already full of non Euros and are willing and able to control them, and don't care about your opinion of the Lagos PD. Don't like Pakistanis, no problem, move to Pakistan. Just STFU about religion and India and you won't have a single problem.

    UK has been an empire for most of written history. The 'Queen' is actually and Empress. The only way to preserve the Empire was to bring all the various peoples to the British Isles. The guy who started it all was Health Minister Enoch 'rivers of blood' Powell, who was trained his whole life to operate an Empire and couldn't give that up after the WWII collapse.

    As I suppose we all know, the Caribbean is ‘black’ only because of imported slaves, by necessity more recently arrived than any whites. Their connection to Nevis is no more special than that.

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