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From the NYT criticism section:

The Fandom Around R.B.G. Is Out of Step With Reality

By Amanda Hess
Aug. 12, 2020, 5:00 a.m. ET

Now that the Trump era has been met by a true activist movement with the sustained protests of Black Lives Matter, the Ginsburg memes hit like relics. In 2016, Ginsburg was asked about Colin Kaepernick’s kneeling during the national anthem, and she called it “disrespectful” and “really dumb.” She later apologized, admitting that she had been “barely aware of the incident or its purpose.” Today the symbol of progressive change looks not like a justice in a chic dissent collar but a regular person for whom justice was not served. It looks like Breonna Taylor or George Floyd. It looks like a movement staged not in the halls of power but on the streets.

To sum up Amanda Hess’s logic, the problem with celebrating Ruth Bader Ginsburg is because it takes time away from celebrating George Floyd or Breonna Taylor, who are not white.

 
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  1. “Then they came for Justice Ginsberg, and I did not speak out; because— hold on, no, that’s not right. I *AM* Justice Ginsberg”

  2. You can almost hear the cognitive dissonance:

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Anonymous

    And what if an actual female officer had been present to pat her down? Would it be ok for her to pat her down if the officer was a lesbian?

    Is the standard here that there can't be any potential for the female officer to get a little sexual gratification from the pat down? In that case I guess we shouldn't allow bisexual cops.

    Or is the standard whatever makes it more comfortable for the perp being pat down? In that case I think I'd rather have a female officer pat me down, too - as long as she isn't lesbian.

    Replies: @sayless, @Known Fact

    , @TomSchmidt
    @Anonymous

    Excellent. How can they call you on it?

  3. Revolution usually ends up eating their own…Do left wing Jews like Ruth Bader Ginsburg fomenting cultural revolution in America for decades think it will not eventually reached them?…do they really think they can keep telling woken POC “don’t look at my privilege, can’t you see we are not really white”?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Andy

    Is Ginsburg really a left-wing Jew? Wouldn't she qualify as center-left for most of her career?

    Replies: @Dissident, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @James O'Meara

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Andy

    Yes, they do.

    Jews have many talents. Self-awareness is not one of them.

    , @dvorak
    @Andy


    Do left wing Jews like Ruth...think it will not eventually reached them?
     
    Once they are mugged by reality, they can become neocons. Either way, America becomes browner/blacker, forever, and Israel comes first, forever.

    Replies: @Richard B

    , @Gordo
    @Andy


    Do left wing Jews like Ruth Bader Ginsburg fomenting cultural revolution in America for decades think it will not eventually reached them?
     
    They have their own country.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Andy

    David Cole covers this in a piece over at Taki's titled Stop With the Golems, Already!:


    We Jews love our golems. We’ve been loving our golems for thousands of years, and what a strife-free history we have to show for it! In case you’re unfamiliar with the golem fable, I’ll give you the CliffsNotes edition. There’s no one single version of the story, and each retelling might alter certain details, but the unchanging basic narrative is this: Jews are being threatened by Gentiles (no, really?), so a rabbi obsessed with protecting his people builds a giant humanoid monster out of clay (or mud) and brings it to life to defend his beloved shtetl (or village, or kosher deli).

    Once the main threat has been defeated, the rabbi, in his lust for vengeance, can’t stop using his golem to right real or imagined wrongs. Soon enough, the golem starts attacking Jews. The monster has now turned its ire on the very people it was built to serve, and the rabbi is forced to battle his own creation.
     
    https://www.takimag.com/article/stop-with-the-golems-already/
  4. She’s not entirely wrong though, although her reasoning is obviously off. Anyone see that video where they pretended that a 27 y/o male journalist was floored by RBG’s workout? (At least, I hope to god it was a pretence..)

    It’s wildly hypocritical, but it’s not wrong.

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @Jesse

    The guy upgrades from 3lb dumbbells to 5lb dumbbells. He then pretends to suffer as he does a few bicep curls while leaning back. In reality, he is doing the equivalent of lifting a 2 litre water bottle to take multiple sips.

    , @guest
    @Jesse

    Well, if she stopped at the headline she wouldn't be wrong. But she proceeds to say many wrong things, so she is wrong.

    For instance, Ginsburg's collar is not chic. This is like when they tried to pretend Michelle Obama was a fashion plate. Just no.

  5. Sounds like George Floyd’s spirit should replace RBG on the Supreme Court.

  6. As an aside, Ginsburg is a fierce opponent of criminal rights when it comes to the double jeopardy issue.

  7. Dang! From the title I’d assumed that she finally died.

    The Founders couldn’t have foreseen the day when people could be kept on life support indefinitely. Isn’t there some clause in the Constitution regarding a Justice’s capacity to function?

    • Replies: @bomag
    @ThreeCranes


    The Founders couldn’t have foreseen the day when people could be kept on life support indefinitely.
     
    They expected officials to be reasonable and retire at an appropriate age.

    And there's the impeachment process.

    I find it a bit ghoulish that some hang on to die in office, e.g. Ted Kennedy, John McCain, and now this Ginsburg chick.
    , @AnotherDad
    @ThreeCranes


    The Founders couldn’t have foreseen the day when people could be kept on life support indefinitely. Isn’t there some clause in the Constitution regarding a Justice’s capacity to function?
     
    Article III is the weakest part of the Constitution.

    There isn't much structure--including checks and balances--baked in. It's bare bones: We'll have a Supreme Court and as many inferior courts as Congress--a representative branch--decides. At the time it seemed reasonable.

    But the founders simply did not envision anything like the arrogance of the judiciary married to minoritarianism, and how that could simply hijack/destroy the rest of their republican framework.

    Unfortunately the life terms--which is one of the things that would be goodness to fix--are baked in with the "during good behavior". Would require an amendment to fix. (My idea would be Supremes serve a term then roll back to a lower court. They doing a job, they are not royalty.)

    But the thing really needs a top to bottom scrub to rein the judiciary in. And--bottom line--they will never be reined in unless the people's representatives lay down the law on usurpation.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @res, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

  8. Anon[316] • Disclaimer says:

    The fandom around Obama was out of step with reality, too. They weren’t real people to the left, but empty suits the left poured their imagination into. The left saw what it wanted to see in them. Hess sure has lousy timing with this article though, since nearly the entire left is frightened of Ginsburg dying. Hess is going to get zapped with brickbats for this article.

    Hess appears to be part of a leftist putsch to kill off the old left and replace it with themselves. The Young Turks at the NYT have been leading mob attacks against the older writers and editors at the rag recently.

    • Replies: @Tono Bungay
    @Anon

    Hess is definitely one of the silliest of the NYT's wokesters.

  9. Yeesh. I’d almost forgotten the “Notorious RBG” meme…..

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @syonredux

    Ugly, baby-killing, old weak Jewish woman is their "badass" emblem.

    How did we lose the culture to these people again?

    , @Cortes
    @syonredux

    Bader than old King Kong and meaner than a junkyard dawg.

    , @anon
    @syonredux

    Leftists are such cringe artists, JFC

    , @guest
    @syonredux

    This "fandom" let it be noted only gained momentum after people started worrying about her impending death. I don't remember Ginzo being a political icon prior to that. She was merely the other chick justice, then briefly the sole chick justice. Finally, the elder chick justice.

    Plus a lefty Washington mainstay. But those are a dime a dozen.

  10. I think she’s really dead ……it’s just a weekend at Bernies thing .

  11. Of course soy-based attention spans couldn’t even wait for her to die.
    How much of what’s happening now is the result of megacorp nudging to frankenfry the perfect consumer? Not even political, but just totally ruining the human character, so that Next Product will be meaningful and exciting, with the externality that socialism (the ideology for people with ruined character) takes off?

  12. To sum up Amanda Hess’s logic, the problem with celebrating Ruth Bader Ginsburg is because it takes time away from celebrating George Floyd or Breonna Taylor, who are not white.

    Plus she has right-wing associations, and was once seen sporting a GOP icon. Or rather, it was seen sporting her.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Reg Cæsar

    She couldn't find a donkey who wouldn't throw her.

    , @Fabian Forge
    @Reg Cæsar

    It's worse (or better) than you say. If you look close, you'll see she's up there behind Justice Scalia. They were great pals socially, often going to the opera and travelling together.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  13. @syonredux
    Yeesh. I'd almost forgotten the "Notorious RBG" meme.....


    https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.537409540.3804/pp,550x550.u2.jpg

    http://i0.wp.com/www.kyrackramer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/rbg-one.jpg


    https://media.customon.com/unsafe/1200x1200/img.customon.com/design/1200/1200/0a0909/62366/b302da21f063621aaa6bdaf94ca65fc7.png.jpg

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Cortes, @anon, @guest

    Ugly, baby-killing, old weak Jewish woman is their “badass” emblem.

    How did we lose the culture to these people again?

  14. Why do these shrews all look like the church chat character from SNL. I mean everywhere I see them, no matter the city, they all have the same vinegar drinking scowl, the ascetic uniform of a forgotten nunnery, like some weirdo anti-temperance hysteric from the 19th century, ready to go off at the first sign of instability.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @KevinB


    like some weirdo anti-temperance hysteric from the 19th century
     
    Huh?



    https://cdn.britannica.com/62/9862-004-166D0ABC/Carry-Nation.jpg

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Muggles

  15. It’s basically a forced meme. High verbal IQ Jewish intellectuals and media types create a semi-ironic, semi-serious, semi-nepotistic fandom meme, and gentile upper middle class and striver/aspirational types eat it up and run with it.

    • Agree: Abe
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Anonymous

    In fact this is the perfect description of what "respectable" American culture is.

  16. @syonredux
    Yeesh. I'd almost forgotten the "Notorious RBG" meme.....


    https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.537409540.3804/pp,550x550.u2.jpg

    http://i0.wp.com/www.kyrackramer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/rbg-one.jpg


    https://media.customon.com/unsafe/1200x1200/img.customon.com/design/1200/1200/0a0909/62366/b302da21f063621aaa6bdaf94ca65fc7.png.jpg

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Cortes, @anon, @guest

    Bader than old King Kong and meaner than a junkyard dawg.

  17. Hess’s logic is more nefarious than simply saying we should stop celebrating the accomplishments of RBG and focus on minorities.

    She’s saying that her vision of societal change is not to be achieved via the “halls of power” (democratic civil institutions) but “the streets” (the mob, threats and violence).

    My guess is there is a 90% chance we are reliving 1970 rather than 1790 and that things calm down. But it makes me really concerned that the newspaper that represents America’s
    Ruling Class is publishing opinions like this.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    If it does turn out to be 1790, they'll be surprised when they get termed counterrevolutionary and get executed.

    , @Anonymous
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    My guess is there is a 90% chance we are reliving 1970 rather than 1790 and that things calm down.
     
    Neither 1970 nor 1790, IMHO. This is the year that the money runs out. A cohesive, intelligent, active government might attempt something like the New Deal in this situation (or something that Hoover's administration might have tried, there being no money), but the government we have is none of those things, thanks to the policy of importing incompetent foreigners to stabilize the urban vote farms.

    Every faction is like a drowning man, clutching at twigs and eventually trying to climb on top of each other because that's all there is. Over the next few decades we are in for a reorganization as basic as that of the USSR. Note that the USSR's reorganization was essentially economic rather than political. The sections of the USSR's economy that could not generate foreign exchange were shut down, then later rebuilt without political theory beyond simple contract enforcement and assertion of KGB veto of attempts to displace the Russian government. Quite a few people were badly hurt, quite a few people drank themselves to death, but eventually a stable government emerged, emphasis on the word "stable". That's the West's near future.

    It will mean recognition of decentralization. Cities are falling, and will become largely unused (as the downtowns of regional cities are now, and as shopping centers are becoming). The inhabitants of cities will have to find some activity that generates foreign exchange, that or die the deaths of despair that are currently afflicting rural Whites. The politics that now maintains urban vote farms simply don't have the money to continue.
    Real example: The riot damage and the COVID-19 maladministration damage will not be covered by the Federal Government. Rep. Pelosi and Sen. Shumer requested two trillion dollars to for what amounted to urban Democratic organizations. They did not receive it. Smaller grants to individual cities have been refused. Pres. Trump has given additional income to people with jobs in surviving businesses by eliminating Social Security tax. You can see the pattern -- reward whatever makes enough profit to stay in business (and directly or indirectly contribute to foreign exchange) and give nothing to the cities (and other entities that do not contribute to foreign exchange).

    And some analogies:
    Supposed Cambodian proverb: If you want to help an elephant get up, first be sure that the elephant wants to get up.
    Supposed advice for those caught in rip tides: Never swim against the current. Swim parallel to the shoreline to get out of the current, then try for shore.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @guest
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    It would be nefarious if she meant it, but no doubt she doesn't. It's just something you say when you don't expect anyone to fight back.

  18. Hopefully, Jews reading iSteve get the message. How to broadcast it outside the Unz-o-sphere, though?

  19. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Hess’s logic is more nefarious than simply saying we should stop celebrating the accomplishments of RBG and focus on minorities.

    She’s saying that her vision of societal change is not to be achieved via the “halls of power” (democratic civil institutions) but “the streets” (the mob, threats and violence).

    My guess is there is a 90% chance we are reliving 1970 rather than 1790 and that things calm down. But it makes me really concerned that the newspaper that represents America’s
    Ruling Class is publishing opinions like this.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Anonymous, @guest

    If it does turn out to be 1790, they’ll be surprised when they get termed counterrevolutionary and get executed.

  20. yes it can get dumber….

    Peak Idiocy: Wisconsin Government Agency Mandates Facemask Use For Virtual Zoom Meetings

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/peak-idiocy-wisconsin-government-agency-mandates-facemask-use-virtual-zoom-meetings

    • Thanks: bruce county
    • LOL: clyde
    • Replies: @JimB
    @newrouter


    Peak Idiocy: Wisconsin Government Agency Mandates Facemask Use For Virtual Zoom Meetings
     
    With Zoom you can doctor your image in real time so that you appear to be wearing a mask. Hence, the idiocy is peakier than you originally thought.
    , @Polynikes
    @newrouter

    You really can’t get dumber than the Gov of Wisconsin. He’s also a nice test run for a Biden presidency because he’s a senile old man who has zero agency in his own administration. His leftist staffers run the show, and it’s more ridiculous than you could imagine. If Biden wins it’ll be 10x worse than if Hillary did.

    , @clyde
    @newrouter

    I see a shit-ton of people wearing masks outdoors with no one, and I mean no one nearby them. Blacks are especially brainwashed - stupid- gullible on this. iow- blacks don't have the brain cells to see through governmental propaganda and bullshit.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @dfordoom

  21. All these idiots are doing is demanding complete obeisance for their own. Just sit back and enjoy it.

  22. @syonredux
    Yeesh. I'd almost forgotten the "Notorious RBG" meme.....


    https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.537409540.3804/pp,550x550.u2.jpg

    http://i0.wp.com/www.kyrackramer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/rbg-one.jpg


    https://media.customon.com/unsafe/1200x1200/img.customon.com/design/1200/1200/0a0909/62366/b302da21f063621aaa6bdaf94ca65fc7.png.jpg

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Cortes, @anon, @guest

    Leftists are such cringe artists, JFC

  23. @Anonymous
    It's basically a forced meme. High verbal IQ Jewish intellectuals and media types create a semi-ironic, semi-serious, semi-nepotistic fandom meme, and gentile upper middle class and striver/aspirational types eat it up and run with it.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    In fact this is the perfect description of what “respectable” American culture is.

  24. @KevinB
    Why do these shrews all look like the church chat character from SNL. I mean everywhere I see them, no matter the city, they all have the same vinegar drinking scowl, the ascetic uniform of a forgotten nunnery, like some weirdo anti-temperance hysteric from the 19th century, ready to go off at the first sign of instability.



    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    like some weirdo anti-temperance hysteric from the 19th century

    Huh?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Reg Cæsar

    Trans b4 trans was cool.

    , @Muggles
    @Reg Cæsar

    Isn't Ms. Nation culturally appropriating an AmerInd artifact?

  25. Today the symbol of progressive change looks not like a justice in a chic dissent collar but a regular person for whom justice was not served. It looks like Breonna Taylor or George Floyd.

    After the release of the bodycam footage and autopsy report, it’s 100% clear that Floyd was a career criminal and junkie who overdosed on fentanyl and who died despite all the efforts of the cops and EMTs to save him.

    I barely knew anything about Breonna Taylor. But apparently, she was hit in the cross-fire when her boyfriend started a shootout with cops who were executing a search warrant for drugs. https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2020/05/14/minute-minute-account-breonna-taylor-fatal-shooting-louisville-police/5182824002/

    There is probably a legitimate question as to whether the cops should have identified themselves better, or whether the boyfriend thought he was acting in self-defense. But she absolutely wasn’t shot because she was black.

    So the BLM’ers are 0-2 on their two big martyrs.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Hypnotoad666

    Hypno, not all saints are martyrs. Martyrs willing give up their life for a cause or a belief. I doubt St. George believed deeply in anything other than whatever he was doing that day. Doubt he would give up his life for bLM.

    , @Tono Bungay
    @Hypnotoad666

    As Steve Sailer noted drily a week or two ago, it's almost as if BLM is based on a lie. Ferguson was a total lie -- investigated three times and the officer --- God bless him wherever he may be --- exonerated each time. Floyd a complex case oversimplified and misrepresented by a mendacious, tendentious media, probably very little fault on any of the officers' part. But the whole world is snowed by it, and although my family members have warned me to shut up about it, I say our only hope is stating the truth plainly and definitely NOT "taking a knee."

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Gianni in Guernsey

  26. RBG may die soon and libs need to talk themselves into it not being a big deal. But of course, it’s a huge deal.

  27. @Andy
    Revolution usually ends up eating their own...Do left wing Jews like Ruth Bader Ginsburg fomenting cultural revolution in America for decades think it will not eventually reached them?...do they really think they can keep telling woken POC "don't look at my privilege, can't you see we are not really white"?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @dvorak, @Gordo, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Is Ginsburg really a left-wing Jew? Wouldn’t she qualify as center-left for most of her career?

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @J.Ross


    Is Ginsburg really a left-wing Jew?
     
    Jewess.

    I should perhaps note here that regardless of just where they may properly fall on the left-right spectrum, RBG's views are generally far from representative of or even compatible with Judaism (at least as understood from a traditional, Orthodox perspective).

    Replies: @Nico

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @J.Ross


    Is Ginsburg really a left-wing Jew? Wouldn’t she qualify as center-left for most of her career?
     
    No, she was an early proponent of gender-bending advocacy - as theorized by Steve in other cases a probably product of being a bright Jewish girl of a certain class with its own priorities. Although RBG appears to be the only surviving issue of her parents (an older sister died as a child), this is from her Wiki profile (Celia is her mother):

    Celia took an active role in her daughter's education, often taking her to the library. Celia had been a good student in her youth, graduating from high school at age 15, yet she could not further her own education because her family instead chose to send her brother to college. Celia wanted her daughter to get more education, which she thought would allow Ruth to become a high school history teacher. Ruth attended James Madison High School, whose law program later dedicated a courtroom in her honor.
     

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D

    , @James O'Meara
    @J.Ross

    Are we really arguing Hitler vs. Himmler? Really?

  28. @newrouter
    yes it can get dumber....

    Peak Idiocy: Wisconsin Government Agency Mandates Facemask Use For Virtual Zoom Meetings

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/peak-idiocy-wisconsin-government-agency-mandates-facemask-use-virtual-zoom-meetings

    Replies: @JimB, @Polynikes, @clyde

    Peak Idiocy: Wisconsin Government Agency Mandates Facemask Use For Virtual Zoom Meetings

    With Zoom you can doctor your image in real time so that you appear to be wearing a mask. Hence, the idiocy is peakier than you originally thought.

  29. Good to know that we have such a high profile and powerful person really aware of events happening around them. Good Lord, no wonder this country is shot.

    Why do I get the feeling that Ginsburg has lied before?

    TERM LIMITS NOW, PEOPLE.

  30. @Jesse
    She's not entirely wrong though, although her reasoning is obviously off. Anyone see that video where they pretended that a 27 y/o male journalist was floored by RBG's workout? (At least, I hope to god it was a pretence..)

    It's wildly hypocritical, but it's not wrong.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @guest

    The guy upgrades from 3lb dumbbells to 5lb dumbbells. He then pretends to suffer as he does a few bicep curls while leaning back. In reality, he is doing the equivalent of lifting a 2 litre water bottle to take multiple sips.

  31. @newrouter
    yes it can get dumber....

    Peak Idiocy: Wisconsin Government Agency Mandates Facemask Use For Virtual Zoom Meetings

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/peak-idiocy-wisconsin-government-agency-mandates-facemask-use-virtual-zoom-meetings

    Replies: @JimB, @Polynikes, @clyde

    You really can’t get dumber than the Gov of Wisconsin. He’s also a nice test run for a Biden presidency because he’s a senile old man who has zero agency in his own administration. His leftist staffers run the show, and it’s more ridiculous than you could imagine. If Biden wins it’ll be 10x worse than if Hillary did.

  32. RBG was, at one time, a respected legal mind. She was a lefty, but had some principles. Her leftist law clerks have run the show for the last decade-plus.

  33. @Andy
    Revolution usually ends up eating their own...Do left wing Jews like Ruth Bader Ginsburg fomenting cultural revolution in America for decades think it will not eventually reached them?...do they really think they can keep telling woken POC "don't look at my privilege, can't you see we are not really white"?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @dvorak, @Gordo, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Yes, they do.

    Jews have many talents. Self-awareness is not one of them.

    • Agree: Richard B
  34. @Reg Cæsar
    @KevinB


    like some weirdo anti-temperance hysteric from the 19th century
     
    Huh?



    https://cdn.britannica.com/62/9862-004-166D0ABC/Carry-Nation.jpg

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Muggles

    Trans b4 trans was cool.

  35. The problem with RBG is not just that she is huwhite but that she doesn’t properly hate Amerikkka.

    As noted sneeringly by Ms. Hess, RBG is part of the “patriotic liberal #resistance.” While one can grovel in abject apology for one’s skin color, thought crimes – like RBG’s incomplete agreement with the far left – are completely unforgivable.

    Look at how much the left despises black conservatives.

  36. For some reason I hadn’t realized Amanda Hess was Jewish until just now. The pale redhead gamine look fooled me.

  37. @Hypnotoad666

    Today the symbol of progressive change looks not like a justice in a chic dissent collar but a regular person for whom justice was not served. It looks like Breonna Taylor or George Floyd.
     
    After the release of the bodycam footage and autopsy report, it's 100% clear that Floyd was a career criminal and junkie who overdosed on fentanyl and who died despite all the efforts of the cops and EMTs to save him.

    I barely knew anything about Breonna Taylor. But apparently, she was hit in the cross-fire when her boyfriend started a shootout with cops who were executing a search warrant for drugs. https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2020/05/14/minute-minute-account-breonna-taylor-fatal-shooting-louisville-police/5182824002/

    There is probably a legitimate question as to whether the cops should have identified themselves better, or whether the boyfriend thought he was acting in self-defense. But she absolutely wasn't shot because she was black.

    So the BLM'ers are 0-2 on their two big martyrs.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Tono Bungay

    Hypno, not all saints are martyrs. Martyrs willing give up their life for a cause or a belief. I doubt St. George believed deeply in anything other than whatever he was doing that day. Doubt he would give up his life for bLM.

  38. Nobody:

    AWFL media shrews: “I wrote about _____”

  39. @Andy
    Revolution usually ends up eating their own...Do left wing Jews like Ruth Bader Ginsburg fomenting cultural revolution in America for decades think it will not eventually reached them?...do they really think they can keep telling woken POC "don't look at my privilege, can't you see we are not really white"?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @dvorak, @Gordo, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Do left wing Jews like Ruth…think it will not eventually reached them?

    Once they are mugged by reality, they can become neocons. Either way, America becomes browner/blacker, forever, and Israel comes first, forever.

    • Replies: @Richard B
    @dvorak


    Once they are mugged by reality, they can become neocons. Either way, America becomes browner/blacker, forever, and Israel comes first, forever.
     
    That's exactly right.

    Except for the word "forever."

    Too carried away by the surface many can't see what's really going on underneath.

    The Pyrrhic Victory of The Hostile Elite
     
    Not only will their power not last, it's already in free fall.
  40. “the problem with celebrating Ruth Bader Ginsburg is because it takes time away from celebrating George Floyd or Breonna Taylor, who are not white.”

    So then technically Ginsburg is white? If a Jewish American is accused of being white, would that constitute Anti-Semitism?

    • LOL: Dissident
    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    That sound you just heard is the heads of various blue checks exploding.

    , @J.Ross
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    You say this amid a campaign where the putative challenger's accusation of racism and that helper said that she believed his accusers.

  41. Also, I think like many Jewish activists of her age, she really still believes in the freedom of speech. She may not have gotten the memo from her younger admirers that that position is now very passé.

    –@CouldntBRighter.

  42. @J.Ross
    @Andy

    Is Ginsburg really a left-wing Jew? Wouldn't she qualify as center-left for most of her career?

    Replies: @Dissident, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @James O'Meara

    Is Ginsburg really a left-wing Jew?

    Jewess.

    I should perhaps note here that regardless of just where they may properly fall on the left-right spectrum, RBG’s views are generally far from representative of or even compatible with Judaism (at least as understood from a traditional, Orthodox perspective).

    • Replies: @Nico
    @Dissident


    I should perhaps note here that regardless of just where they may properly fall on the left-right spectrum, RBG’s views are generally far from representative of or even compatible with Judaism (at least as understood from a traditional, Orthodox perspective).
     
    This much is evident, as is the fact that American Jewry hasn’t on the whole been particularly “orthodox” for much of the last century. But their Jewish *confessional* identity - both as self-perceived “outsiders” and with respect to the baggage and the idiosyncrasies that come from being formed in an eminently Jewish cultural and familial milieu - has certainly been central to their sociological and political outlook (see Cellar’s lifelong and successful combat to change American immigration laws). RBG is clearly a product of both of these trends.
  43. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "the problem with celebrating Ruth Bader Ginsburg is because it takes time away from celebrating George Floyd or Breonna Taylor, who are not white."

    So then technically Ginsburg is white? If a Jewish American is accused of being white, would that constitute Anti-Semitism?

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @J.Ross

    That sound you just heard is the heads of various blue checks exploding.

  44. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "the problem with celebrating Ruth Bader Ginsburg is because it takes time away from celebrating George Floyd or Breonna Taylor, who are not white."

    So then technically Ginsburg is white? If a Jewish American is accused of being white, would that constitute Anti-Semitism?

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @J.Ross

    You say this amid a campaign where the putative challenger’s accusation of racism and that helper said that she believed his accusers.

  45. @Reg Cæsar

    To sum up Amanda Hess’s logic, the problem with celebrating Ruth Bader Ginsburg is because it takes time away from celebrating George Floyd or Breonna Taylor, who are not white.
     
    Plus she has right-wing associations, and was once seen sporting a GOP icon. Or rather, it was seen sporting her.





    https://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/shared/npr/201805/466962279.jpg

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Fabian Forge

    She couldn’t find a donkey who wouldn’t throw her.

  46. @Anonymous
    You can almost hear the cognitive dissonance:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1293564142821941248

    Replies: @Wilkey, @TomSchmidt

    And what if an actual female officer had been present to pat her down? Would it be ok for her to pat her down if the officer was a lesbian?

    Is the standard here that there can’t be any potential for the female officer to get a little sexual gratification from the pat down? In that case I guess we shouldn’t allow bisexual cops.

    Or is the standard whatever makes it more comfortable for the perp being pat down? In that case I think I’d rather have a female officer pat me down, too – as long as she isn’t lesbian.

    • Replies: @sayless
    @Wilkey

    A relative of mine was selected for a pat-down in Prague. She insisted that it be done by a male officer, not a female one, for just that reason.

    She started out by telling them, You are not going to touch me. I will stand right here and take off every stitch of clothing if I have to but you are not going to touch me. Reply: Madame, this will do you no good.

    But at least she kept her self-respect.

    , @Known Fact
    @Wilkey

    Lipstick lesbian Tammy Bruce can pat me down anytime. But Camille Paglia might be a more nuanced choice

  47. To sum up Amanda Hess’s logic, the problem with celebrating Ruth Bader Ginsburg is because it takes time away from celebrating George Floyd or Breonna Taylor, who are not white.

    I mean, she’s not wrong.

  48. @ThreeCranes
    Dang! From the title I'd assumed that she finally died.

    The Founders couldn't have foreseen the day when people could be kept on life support indefinitely. Isn't there some clause in the Constitution regarding a Justice's capacity to function?

    Replies: @bomag, @AnotherDad

    The Founders couldn’t have foreseen the day when people could be kept on life support indefinitely.

    They expected officials to be reasonable and retire at an appropriate age.

    And there’s the impeachment process.

    I find it a bit ghoulish that some hang on to die in office, e.g. Ted Kennedy, John McCain, and now this Ginsburg chick.

  49. @Dissident
    @J.Ross


    Is Ginsburg really a left-wing Jew?
     
    Jewess.

    I should perhaps note here that regardless of just where they may properly fall on the left-right spectrum, RBG's views are generally far from representative of or even compatible with Judaism (at least as understood from a traditional, Orthodox perspective).

    Replies: @Nico

    I should perhaps note here that regardless of just where they may properly fall on the left-right spectrum, RBG’s views are generally far from representative of or even compatible with Judaism (at least as understood from a traditional, Orthodox perspective).

    This much is evident, as is the fact that American Jewry hasn’t on the whole been particularly “orthodox” for much of the last century. But their Jewish *confessional* identity – both as self-perceived “outsiders” and with respect to the baggage and the idiosyncrasies that come from being formed in an eminently Jewish cultural and familial milieu – has certainly been central to their sociological and political outlook (see Cellar’s lifelong and successful combat to change American immigration laws). RBG is clearly a product of both of these trends.

  50. @Reg Cæsar

    To sum up Amanda Hess’s logic, the problem with celebrating Ruth Bader Ginsburg is because it takes time away from celebrating George Floyd or Breonna Taylor, who are not white.
     
    Plus she has right-wing associations, and was once seen sporting a GOP icon. Or rather, it was seen sporting her.





    https://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/shared/npr/201805/466962279.jpg

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Fabian Forge

    It’s worse (or better) than you say. If you look close, you’ll see she’s up there behind Justice Scalia. They were great pals socially, often going to the opera and travelling together.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Fabian Forge


    If you look close, you’ll see she’s up there behind Justice Scalia.
     
    He was the "right-wing association" I was referring to.

    They were great pals socially, often going to the opera and travelling together.
     
    Just to be clear, they and their spouses travelled together.

    Replies: @Fabian Forge

  51. Much of the resistance, or the revolution, or whatever it’s called this week, is empty preening. So there’s going to be a lot of one-upmanship… A lot of “Oh, you think that’s radical – I’ll show you radical.” And that means turning viciously on yesterday’s sacred cows. Of late, few are more canonized than the shriveled, fading madonna of the bench.

    Over the course of her ferociously privileged life, Hess probably took a lot of crap from pre-op nosejob Jewish girls; she looks as Semitic as Martha McCallum. Obviously, by bloodline, she’s a leeeetle bit Jewish, and a LOT evil Nazi Northern European. Any outsider with a beef is going to step up when iconoclasm is safe and trendy. You go, gurl.

  52. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter
    Hess’s logic is more nefarious than simply saying we should stop celebrating the accomplishments of RBG and focus on minorities.

    She’s saying that her vision of societal change is not to be achieved via the “halls of power” (democratic civil institutions) but “the streets” (the mob, threats and violence).

    My guess is there is a 90% chance we are reliving 1970 rather than 1790 and that things calm down. But it makes me really concerned that the newspaper that represents America’s
    Ruling Class is publishing opinions like this.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Anonymous, @guest

    My guess is there is a 90% chance we are reliving 1970 rather than 1790 and that things calm down.

    Neither 1970 nor 1790, IMHO. This is the year that the money runs out. A cohesive, intelligent, active government might attempt something like the New Deal in this situation (or something that Hoover’s administration might have tried, there being no money), but the government we have is none of those things, thanks to the policy of importing incompetent foreigners to stabilize the urban vote farms.

    Every faction is like a drowning man, clutching at twigs and eventually trying to climb on top of each other because that’s all there is. Over the next few decades we are in for a reorganization as basic as that of the USSR. Note that the USSR’s reorganization was essentially economic rather than political. The sections of the USSR’s economy that could not generate foreign exchange were shut down, then later rebuilt without political theory beyond simple contract enforcement and assertion of KGB veto of attempts to displace the Russian government. Quite a few people were badly hurt, quite a few people drank themselves to death, but eventually a stable government emerged, emphasis on the word “stable”. That’s the West’s near future.

    It will mean recognition of decentralization. Cities are falling, and will become largely unused (as the downtowns of regional cities are now, and as shopping centers are becoming). The inhabitants of cities will have to find some activity that generates foreign exchange, that or die the deaths of despair that are currently afflicting rural Whites. The politics that now maintains urban vote farms simply don’t have the money to continue.
    Real example: The riot damage and the COVID-19 maladministration damage will not be covered by the Federal Government. Rep. Pelosi and Sen. Shumer requested two trillion dollars to for what amounted to urban Democratic organizations. They did not receive it. Smaller grants to individual cities have been refused. Pres. Trump has given additional income to people with jobs in surviving businesses by eliminating Social Security tax. You can see the pattern — reward whatever makes enough profit to stay in business (and directly or indirectly contribute to foreign exchange) and give nothing to the cities (and other entities that do not contribute to foreign exchange).

    And some analogies:
    Supposed Cambodian proverb: If you want to help an elephant get up, first be sure that the elephant wants to get up.
    Supposed advice for those caught in rip tides: Never swim against the current. Swim parallel to the shoreline to get out of the current, then try for shore.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous


    The riot damage and the COVID-19 maladministration damage will not be covered by the Federal Government. Rep. Pelosi and Sen. Shumer requested two trillion dollars to for what amounted to urban Democratic organizations.
     
    We are only an election away from that changing. Whatever Pelosi and Schumer don't get in this round, they are going to try for again in January and if the election tilts their way (and right now the odds are literally in their favor) then they will get it.

    Of course the cities are now bottomless pits - 2 trillion will be gone in a jiffy if their economy doesn't come back (and it's looking like their economy is NOT coming back - one summer of Covid and Saint Floyd has undone 30 years of gentrification and now we are back to the '70s where people fled the cities and NYC went bankrupt). How many times can you loot the boutique before the boutique decides that they are not rebuilding this time? I would say the 3rd time is the charm - you might rebuild once, even twice but by the third time you realize that it's futile and throw in the towel, especially if you can no longer get insurance. And no boutiques, no tourists, no yuppies, etc. No one is going to take a vacation so they can go shopping along a street of wig shops and laundromats with ominous looking youts hanging out on the street corner. In the long run it the Federal government will not be able to prop up the cities but in the meantime we can spend trillions and trillions trying.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  53. @newrouter
    yes it can get dumber....

    Peak Idiocy: Wisconsin Government Agency Mandates Facemask Use For Virtual Zoom Meetings

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/peak-idiocy-wisconsin-government-agency-mandates-facemask-use-virtual-zoom-meetings

    Replies: @JimB, @Polynikes, @clyde

    I see a shit-ton of people wearing masks outdoors with no one, and I mean no one nearby them. Blacks are especially brainwashed – stupid- gullible on this. iow- blacks don’t have the brain cells to see through governmental propaganda and bullshit.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @clyde


    Blacks are especially brainwashed –
     
    They lack basic scientific knowledge of how virii work.

    They think the WuFlu is ever-present, hanging in the aether, just like systemic racism.
    , @dfordoom
    @clyde


    I see a shit-ton of people wearing masks outdoors with no one, and I mean no one nearby them. Blacks are especially brainwashed – stupid- gullible on this. iow- blacks don’t have the brain cells to see through governmental propaganda and bullshit.
     
    I see lots of people in Australia doing that as well. They're overwhelmingly white, overwhelmingly young and mostly female.

    Millennials and Zoomers seem to be unbelievably brainwashed and conformist. They're the ones who are really really scared.
  54. @Andy
    Revolution usually ends up eating their own...Do left wing Jews like Ruth Bader Ginsburg fomenting cultural revolution in America for decades think it will not eventually reached them?...do they really think they can keep telling woken POC "don't look at my privilege, can't you see we are not really white"?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @dvorak, @Gordo, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Do left wing Jews like Ruth Bader Ginsburg fomenting cultural revolution in America for decades think it will not eventually reached them?

    They have their own country.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Gordo

    Out of the roughly 6 million Jews in America, around 5,000 (mostly Orthodox) Jews move to Israel each year. American Jews overwhelmingly do NOT see Israel as "their own" country. Leftist Jews like Ginsburg especially do not like modern day Israel with its right wing politics and religious atmosphere. If they wanted that they could move to Alabama and not have to learn Hebrew.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

  55. Ginsburg looks like Irene Ryan.

  56. @Wilkey
    @Anonymous

    And what if an actual female officer had been present to pat her down? Would it be ok for her to pat her down if the officer was a lesbian?

    Is the standard here that there can't be any potential for the female officer to get a little sexual gratification from the pat down? In that case I guess we shouldn't allow bisexual cops.

    Or is the standard whatever makes it more comfortable for the perp being pat down? In that case I think I'd rather have a female officer pat me down, too - as long as she isn't lesbian.

    Replies: @sayless, @Known Fact

    A relative of mine was selected for a pat-down in Prague. She insisted that it be done by a male officer, not a female one, for just that reason.

    She started out by telling them, You are not going to touch me. I will stand right here and take off every stitch of clothing if I have to but you are not going to touch me. Reply: Madame, this will do you no good.

    But at least she kept her self-respect.

  57. @Anonymous
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    My guess is there is a 90% chance we are reliving 1970 rather than 1790 and that things calm down.
     
    Neither 1970 nor 1790, IMHO. This is the year that the money runs out. A cohesive, intelligent, active government might attempt something like the New Deal in this situation (or something that Hoover's administration might have tried, there being no money), but the government we have is none of those things, thanks to the policy of importing incompetent foreigners to stabilize the urban vote farms.

    Every faction is like a drowning man, clutching at twigs and eventually trying to climb on top of each other because that's all there is. Over the next few decades we are in for a reorganization as basic as that of the USSR. Note that the USSR's reorganization was essentially economic rather than political. The sections of the USSR's economy that could not generate foreign exchange were shut down, then later rebuilt without political theory beyond simple contract enforcement and assertion of KGB veto of attempts to displace the Russian government. Quite a few people were badly hurt, quite a few people drank themselves to death, but eventually a stable government emerged, emphasis on the word "stable". That's the West's near future.

    It will mean recognition of decentralization. Cities are falling, and will become largely unused (as the downtowns of regional cities are now, and as shopping centers are becoming). The inhabitants of cities will have to find some activity that generates foreign exchange, that or die the deaths of despair that are currently afflicting rural Whites. The politics that now maintains urban vote farms simply don't have the money to continue.
    Real example: The riot damage and the COVID-19 maladministration damage will not be covered by the Federal Government. Rep. Pelosi and Sen. Shumer requested two trillion dollars to for what amounted to urban Democratic organizations. They did not receive it. Smaller grants to individual cities have been refused. Pres. Trump has given additional income to people with jobs in surviving businesses by eliminating Social Security tax. You can see the pattern -- reward whatever makes enough profit to stay in business (and directly or indirectly contribute to foreign exchange) and give nothing to the cities (and other entities that do not contribute to foreign exchange).

    And some analogies:
    Supposed Cambodian proverb: If you want to help an elephant get up, first be sure that the elephant wants to get up.
    Supposed advice for those caught in rip tides: Never swim against the current. Swim parallel to the shoreline to get out of the current, then try for shore.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The riot damage and the COVID-19 maladministration damage will not be covered by the Federal Government. Rep. Pelosi and Sen. Shumer requested two trillion dollars to for what amounted to urban Democratic organizations.

    We are only an election away from that changing. Whatever Pelosi and Schumer don’t get in this round, they are going to try for again in January and if the election tilts their way (and right now the odds are literally in their favor) then they will get it.

    Of course the cities are now bottomless pits – 2 trillion will be gone in a jiffy if their economy doesn’t come back (and it’s looking like their economy is NOT coming back – one summer of Covid and Saint Floyd has undone 30 years of gentrification and now we are back to the ’70s where people fled the cities and NYC went bankrupt). How many times can you loot the boutique before the boutique decides that they are not rebuilding this time? I would say the 3rd time is the charm – you might rebuild once, even twice but by the third time you realize that it’s futile and throw in the towel, especially if you can no longer get insurance. And no boutiques, no tourists, no yuppies, etc. No one is going to take a vacation so they can go shopping along a street of wig shops and laundromats with ominous looking youts hanging out on the street corner. In the long run it the Federal government will not be able to prop up the cities but in the meantime we can spend trillions and trillions trying.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Jack D


    How many times can you loot the boutique before the boutique decides that they are not rebuilding this time?
     
    This is already happening. Sorry I don't have a link handy.

    And no boutiques, no tourists, no yuppies, etc. No one is going to take a vacation so they can go shopping along a street of wig shops and laundromats with ominous looking youts hanging out on the street corner.
     
    Just watched a YouTube clip from a guy on the ground in NYC, and he made the same point. Who is going to come to NYC when the hustle and bustle that made it unique are gone and crime is rampant?
  58. @Anon
    The fandom around Obama was out of step with reality, too. They weren't real people to the left, but empty suits the left poured their imagination into. The left saw what it wanted to see in them. Hess sure has lousy timing with this article though, since nearly the entire left is frightened of Ginsburg dying. Hess is going to get zapped with brickbats for this article.

    Hess appears to be part of a leftist putsch to kill off the old left and replace it with themselves. The Young Turks at the NYT have been leading mob attacks against the older writers and editors at the rag recently.

    Replies: @Tono Bungay

    Hess is definitely one of the silliest of the NYT’s wokesters.

  59. @Hypnotoad666

    Today the symbol of progressive change looks not like a justice in a chic dissent collar but a regular person for whom justice was not served. It looks like Breonna Taylor or George Floyd.
     
    After the release of the bodycam footage and autopsy report, it's 100% clear that Floyd was a career criminal and junkie who overdosed on fentanyl and who died despite all the efforts of the cops and EMTs to save him.

    I barely knew anything about Breonna Taylor. But apparently, she was hit in the cross-fire when her boyfriend started a shootout with cops who were executing a search warrant for drugs. https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2020/05/14/minute-minute-account-breonna-taylor-fatal-shooting-louisville-police/5182824002/

    There is probably a legitimate question as to whether the cops should have identified themselves better, or whether the boyfriend thought he was acting in self-defense. But she absolutely wasn't shot because she was black.

    So the BLM'ers are 0-2 on their two big martyrs.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Tono Bungay

    As Steve Sailer noted drily a week or two ago, it’s almost as if BLM is based on a lie. Ferguson was a total lie — investigated three times and the officer — God bless him wherever he may be — exonerated each time. Floyd a complex case oversimplified and misrepresented by a mendacious, tendentious media, probably very little fault on any of the officers’ part. But the whole world is snowed by it, and although my family members have warned me to shut up about it, I say our only hope is stating the truth plainly and definitely NOT “taking a knee.”

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Tono Bungay

    A lie gets around the world before the truth can figure out how to log onto Zoom

    , @Gianni in Guernsey
    @Tono Bungay

    When our glorious media got away with the Trayvon mugging the Hispanic democrat neighbourhood watchman and the Chrystal Mangum farago and the Jackie Coakley deciding she was in an urban legend we Springfieldites should have realized we have not the backbone of Shelbyvilllians. Jebediah Springfield we have failed you.

  60. @Andy
    Revolution usually ends up eating their own...Do left wing Jews like Ruth Bader Ginsburg fomenting cultural revolution in America for decades think it will not eventually reached them?...do they really think they can keep telling woken POC "don't look at my privilege, can't you see we are not really white"?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @dvorak, @Gordo, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    David Cole covers this in a piece over at Taki’s titled Stop With the Golems, Already!:

    We Jews love our golems. We’ve been loving our golems for thousands of years, and what a strife-free history we have to show for it! In case you’re unfamiliar with the golem fable, I’ll give you the CliffsNotes edition. There’s no one single version of the story, and each retelling might alter certain details, but the unchanging basic narrative is this: Jews are being threatened by Gentiles (no, really?), so a rabbi obsessed with protecting his people builds a giant humanoid monster out of clay (or mud) and brings it to life to defend his beloved shtetl (or village, or kosher deli).

    Once the main threat has been defeated, the rabbi, in his lust for vengeance, can’t stop using his golem to right real or imagined wrongs. Soon enough, the golem starts attacking Jews. The monster has now turned its ire on the very people it was built to serve, and the rabbi is forced to battle his own creation.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/stop-with-the-golems-already/

    • Thanks: Richard B
  61. @J.Ross
    @Andy

    Is Ginsburg really a left-wing Jew? Wouldn't she qualify as center-left for most of her career?

    Replies: @Dissident, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @James O'Meara

    Is Ginsburg really a left-wing Jew? Wouldn’t she qualify as center-left for most of her career?

    No, she was an early proponent of gender-bending advocacy – as theorized by Steve in other cases a probably product of being a bright Jewish girl of a certain class with its own priorities. Although RBG appears to be the only surviving issue of her parents (an older sister died as a child), this is from her Wiki profile (Celia is her mother):

    Celia took an active role in her daughter’s education, often taking her to the library. Celia had been a good student in her youth, graduating from high school at age 15, yet she could not further her own education because her family instead chose to send her brother to college. Celia wanted her daughter to get more education, which she thought would allow Ruth to become a high school history teacher. Ruth attended James Madison High School, whose law program later dedicated a courtroom in her honor.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    Although RBG appears to be the only surviving issue of her parents...
     
    Her BFF Antonin Scalia ("AGS"?) was an only child. He broke the bottleneck by having nine of his own.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    , @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    That is some interesting background but I don't see how that answers the question of whether she was left wing or merely center-left.

    Ginsburg's husband was a leading tax lawyer with a prominent NY law firm, which is not exactly a field that is rife with Commies (and many of Ginsburg's generation of leftist Jews were Red Diaper babies - they actually moved to the right in comparison to their card carrying Communist parents). Her first big gender discrimination case was one that was referred by her husband which involved a provision in the tax code that gave a deduction for FEMALE caretakers of parents (and her client was a man).

    From what I know of the Ginsburgs ( Marty taught my law school class on taxation - I never took any courses with RBG) I think that their views were conventional Upper West Side liberal Jewish views of their time, which would rate as shockingly leftist to some here (anyone to the left of Herman Goering would rate as shockingly leftist to some here) but I think are quite moderate by today's Woke standards as evidenced by the fact that she is already being trashed from the Left.

    The main attribute of the Ginsburgs is that they were both EXTREMELY intelligent people - I mean like really, really smart. I don't consider myself to be a stupid person but Marty (and Ruth was smarter than Marty) was clearly in another league. In his class, I felt like the black students must have felt in the other classes (I don't recall that there were any black students in his class come to think of it). Watching him play the tax code was like watching Bobby Fischer play chess. If you know the rules of chess you could understand his moves once he made them but you could never come up with them yourself. If Marty Ginsburg did not have a good 15 IQ points on me then I will eat my copy of the IRC. People that smart are not going to go for something so fundamentally primitive as BLM.

  62. @Fabian Forge
    @Reg Cæsar

    It's worse (or better) than you say. If you look close, you'll see she's up there behind Justice Scalia. They were great pals socially, often going to the opera and travelling together.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    If you look close, you’ll see she’s up there behind Justice Scalia.

    He was the “right-wing association” I was referring to.

    They were great pals socially, often going to the opera and travelling together.

    Just to be clear, they and their spouses travelled together.

    • Replies: @Fabian Forge
    @Reg Cæsar

    Sorry. I thought you meant the elephant!

  63. Don’t let Ms. Hess find out about the nice things Justice Ginsburg had to say about Judah P. Benjamin.

  64. @ThreeCranes
    Dang! From the title I'd assumed that she finally died.

    The Founders couldn't have foreseen the day when people could be kept on life support indefinitely. Isn't there some clause in the Constitution regarding a Justice's capacity to function?

    Replies: @bomag, @AnotherDad

    The Founders couldn’t have foreseen the day when people could be kept on life support indefinitely. Isn’t there some clause in the Constitution regarding a Justice’s capacity to function?

    Article III is the weakest part of the Constitution.

    There isn’t much structure–including checks and balances–baked in. It’s bare bones: We’ll have a Supreme Court and as many inferior courts as Congress–a representative branch–decides. At the time it seemed reasonable.

    But the founders simply did not envision anything like the arrogance of the judiciary married to minoritarianism, and how that could simply hijack/destroy the rest of their republican framework.

    Unfortunately the life terms–which is one of the things that would be goodness to fix–are baked in with the “during good behavior”. Would require an amendment to fix. (My idea would be Supremes serve a term then roll back to a lower court. They doing a job, they are not royalty.)

    But the thing really needs a top to bottom scrub to rein the judiciary in. And–bottom line–they will never be reined in unless the people’s representatives lay down the law on usurpation.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    But the founders simply did not envision anything like the arrogance of the judiciary...
     
    The courts, especially the Supreme, are like your shower handle-- it's either too hot or too cold, and that sliver of comfort is difficult to locate. Many say that if the court can throw out statutes, it has too much power. Still, if it can't, it has too little.
    , @res
    @AnotherDad


    My idea would be Supremes serve a term then roll back to a lower court.
     
    That is an interesting idea. One side effect of it would be making it possible for there to be lower court judges who are more prestigious than some of the Supremes. I wonder what that would do to appeal dynamics?
    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @AnotherDad


    Unfortunately the life terms–which is one of the things that would be goodness to fix–are baked in with the “during good behavior”. Would require an amendment to fix. (My idea would be Supremes serve a term then roll back to a lower court. They doing a job, they are not royalty.)
     
    I think the best path to diminish the importance of judicial vacancies would be to increase the size of the Court (obviously, how you get there without one side packing it wholesale for partisan advantage is the problem).

    A Court with 19 Justices is a different animal than a Court with 9. Vacancies would be both less rare and less likely to flip the Court on hot-button issues, so less worth the fighting to the death over.

    In that case, you're probably looking at older Justices feeling better about taking timely retirement rather than gambling on the composition of the Senate and the Presidency and goofing it up, and then feeling compelled to extend their stay by four to eight years in a race with death.

    I'd bet that Ginsburg expected a victory for HRC and a healthy enough Senate majority for the Democrats (and/or Republican fecklessness in the majority with an historic Uterus-American Democratic President), at which point she'd triumphantly step down to great fanfare to be replaced by a female piss-and-vinegar left wing ideologue nominated by the First Female President of the United States. But the best laid plans something something . . .
  65. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @J.Ross


    Is Ginsburg really a left-wing Jew? Wouldn’t she qualify as center-left for most of her career?
     
    No, she was an early proponent of gender-bending advocacy - as theorized by Steve in other cases a probably product of being a bright Jewish girl of a certain class with its own priorities. Although RBG appears to be the only surviving issue of her parents (an older sister died as a child), this is from her Wiki profile (Celia is her mother):

    Celia took an active role in her daughter's education, often taking her to the library. Celia had been a good student in her youth, graduating from high school at age 15, yet she could not further her own education because her family instead chose to send her brother to college. Celia wanted her daughter to get more education, which she thought would allow Ruth to become a high school history teacher. Ruth attended James Madison High School, whose law program later dedicated a courtroom in her honor.
     

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D

    Although RBG appears to be the only surviving issue of her parents…

    Her BFF Antonin Scalia (“AGS”?) was an only child. He broke the bottleneck by having nine of his own.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Reg Cæsar


    Her BFF Antonin Scalia (“AGS”?) was an only child. He broke the bottleneck by having nine of his own.
     
    Yes, I always found that an interesting fact about Scalia's life, as well as that he went to public schools through eighth grade. Both are somewhat unusual given his cultural/ethnic background.

    Also, I think he went by "Nino" for those in the know.
  66. @AnotherDad
    @ThreeCranes


    The Founders couldn’t have foreseen the day when people could be kept on life support indefinitely. Isn’t there some clause in the Constitution regarding a Justice’s capacity to function?
     
    Article III is the weakest part of the Constitution.

    There isn't much structure--including checks and balances--baked in. It's bare bones: We'll have a Supreme Court and as many inferior courts as Congress--a representative branch--decides. At the time it seemed reasonable.

    But the founders simply did not envision anything like the arrogance of the judiciary married to minoritarianism, and how that could simply hijack/destroy the rest of their republican framework.

    Unfortunately the life terms--which is one of the things that would be goodness to fix--are baked in with the "during good behavior". Would require an amendment to fix. (My idea would be Supremes serve a term then roll back to a lower court. They doing a job, they are not royalty.)

    But the thing really needs a top to bottom scrub to rein the judiciary in. And--bottom line--they will never be reined in unless the people's representatives lay down the law on usurpation.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @res, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    But the founders simply did not envision anything like the arrogance of the judiciary…

    The courts, especially the Supreme, are like your shower handle– it’s either too hot or too cold, and that sliver of comfort is difficult to locate. Many say that if the court can throw out statutes, it has too much power. Still, if it can’t, it has too little.

  67. @Wilkey
    @Anonymous

    And what if an actual female officer had been present to pat her down? Would it be ok for her to pat her down if the officer was a lesbian?

    Is the standard here that there can't be any potential for the female officer to get a little sexual gratification from the pat down? In that case I guess we shouldn't allow bisexual cops.

    Or is the standard whatever makes it more comfortable for the perp being pat down? In that case I think I'd rather have a female officer pat me down, too - as long as she isn't lesbian.

    Replies: @sayless, @Known Fact

    Lipstick lesbian Tammy Bruce can pat me down anytime. But Camille Paglia might be a more nuanced choice

    • LOL: Muggles
  68. If you wanted to target RBG for some kind of “privilege,” wouldn’t it be medical privilege? She’s apparently one of the few dozen people on Earth who through great power or vast fortune would continue to receive such heroic treatment at this point rather than finally being “sent home to die.” (And Scalia didn’t even get an autopsy!)

  69. @Tono Bungay
    @Hypnotoad666

    As Steve Sailer noted drily a week or two ago, it's almost as if BLM is based on a lie. Ferguson was a total lie -- investigated three times and the officer --- God bless him wherever he may be --- exonerated each time. Floyd a complex case oversimplified and misrepresented by a mendacious, tendentious media, probably very little fault on any of the officers' part. But the whole world is snowed by it, and although my family members have warned me to shut up about it, I say our only hope is stating the truth plainly and definitely NOT "taking a knee."

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Gianni in Guernsey

    A lie gets around the world before the truth can figure out how to log onto Zoom

  70. @J.Ross
    @Andy

    Is Ginsburg really a left-wing Jew? Wouldn't she qualify as center-left for most of her career?

    Replies: @Dissident, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @James O'Meara

    Are we really arguing Hitler vs. Himmler? Really?

  71. @Reg Cæsar
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    Although RBG appears to be the only surviving issue of her parents...
     
    Her BFF Antonin Scalia ("AGS"?) was an only child. He broke the bottleneck by having nine of his own.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Her BFF Antonin Scalia (“AGS”?) was an only child. He broke the bottleneck by having nine of his own.

    Yes, I always found that an interesting fact about Scalia’s life, as well as that he went to public schools through eighth grade. Both are somewhat unusual given his cultural/ethnic background.

    Also, I think he went by “Nino” for those in the know.

  72. The real question is: why law sucks & is so subjective?

    Apart from fringe science forays, most real science is unanimous: scientists agree on the discussed topics when things are taken seriously under consideration. That goes even for soft science like history.

    People like to talk that they want SCOTUS members only to interpret the law according to the constitution, but this is baloney. Modern life has created so many new ethical, political, sociological, … situations that no constitution, especially such an oldtimer, can suffice; more, all those judges swim in the gray area of what ifs & what not that unanimity is impossible to achieve, even with regards to rather trivial matters.

    For instance, that female who did not get into university because some black guy did have extra affirmative action points should have won before the SCOTUS because of….common sense. No, she lost.

    So, all these judges & lawyers are, basically, bullshitters. I know this area is not scientific, but is should, at least, have some rational foundation & principles. For instance, no musicologist will claim that Pink Floyd is as structurally complex as Wagner. No literary theorist will say that Steven King’s novels are as complex as Joseph Heller’s.

    But no….

  73. @dvorak
    @Andy


    Do left wing Jews like Ruth...think it will not eventually reached them?
     
    Once they are mugged by reality, they can become neocons. Either way, America becomes browner/blacker, forever, and Israel comes first, forever.

    Replies: @Richard B

    Once they are mugged by reality, they can become neocons. Either way, America becomes browner/blacker, forever, and Israel comes first, forever.

    That’s exactly right.

    Except for the word “forever.”

    Too carried away by the surface many can’t see what’s really going on underneath.

    The Pyrrhic Victory of The Hostile Elite

    Not only will their power not last, it’s already in free fall.

  74. @clyde
    @newrouter

    I see a shit-ton of people wearing masks outdoors with no one, and I mean no one nearby them. Blacks are especially brainwashed - stupid- gullible on this. iow- blacks don't have the brain cells to see through governmental propaganda and bullshit.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @dfordoom

    Blacks are especially brainwashed –

    They lack basic scientific knowledge of how virii work.

    They think the WuFlu is ever-present, hanging in the aether, just like systemic racism.

  75. @Jack D
    @Anonymous


    The riot damage and the COVID-19 maladministration damage will not be covered by the Federal Government. Rep. Pelosi and Sen. Shumer requested two trillion dollars to for what amounted to urban Democratic organizations.
     
    We are only an election away from that changing. Whatever Pelosi and Schumer don't get in this round, they are going to try for again in January and if the election tilts their way (and right now the odds are literally in their favor) then they will get it.

    Of course the cities are now bottomless pits - 2 trillion will be gone in a jiffy if their economy doesn't come back (and it's looking like their economy is NOT coming back - one summer of Covid and Saint Floyd has undone 30 years of gentrification and now we are back to the '70s where people fled the cities and NYC went bankrupt). How many times can you loot the boutique before the boutique decides that they are not rebuilding this time? I would say the 3rd time is the charm - you might rebuild once, even twice but by the third time you realize that it's futile and throw in the towel, especially if you can no longer get insurance. And no boutiques, no tourists, no yuppies, etc. No one is going to take a vacation so they can go shopping along a street of wig shops and laundromats with ominous looking youts hanging out on the street corner. In the long run it the Federal government will not be able to prop up the cities but in the meantime we can spend trillions and trillions trying.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    How many times can you loot the boutique before the boutique decides that they are not rebuilding this time?

    This is already happening. Sorry I don’t have a link handy.

    And no boutiques, no tourists, no yuppies, etc. No one is going to take a vacation so they can go shopping along a street of wig shops and laundromats with ominous looking youts hanging out on the street corner.

    Just watched a YouTube clip from a guy on the ground in NYC, and he made the same point. Who is going to come to NYC when the hustle and bustle that made it unique are gone and crime is rampant?

  76. @Gordo
    @Andy


    Do left wing Jews like Ruth Bader Ginsburg fomenting cultural revolution in America for decades think it will not eventually reached them?
     
    They have their own country.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Out of the roughly 6 million Jews in America, around 5,000 (mostly Orthodox) Jews move to Israel each year. American Jews overwhelmingly do NOT see Israel as “their own” country. Leftist Jews like Ginsburg especially do not like modern day Israel with its right wing politics and religious atmosphere. If they wanted that they could move to Alabama and not have to learn Hebrew.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    Out of the roughly 6 million Jews in America, around 5,000 (mostly Orthodox) Jews move to Israel each year. American Jews overwhelmingly do NOT see Israel as “their own” country. Leftist Jews like Ginsburg especially do not like modern day Israel with its right wing politics and religious atmosphere. If they wanted that they could move to Alabama and not have to learn Hebrew.
     
    Jews see what they want to see. The fact is that all American Jews have a right to reside in Israel and become citizens there whether they want to do so or not at the moment. It's an ethnostate that belongs to Jews whether they acknowledge this fact in service of domestic political expediency or not. I imagine that if the Golems do get powerful enough these objections to the extent they are sincere will be waived by a whole bunch of "Leftist Jews like Ginsburg."

    On the whole, I think it would be better for all concerned if more American Jews recognized this and did in fact emigrate to avail themselves of the right of return. Leftist Jews would be made to reconcile their political views with the exigencies of actual skin-in-the-game armed human conflict, while non-Leftist Jews would be in an appropriate place to live out their ethnic chauvinism (an ethnostate).

    Replies: @Jack D

  77. @Anonymous
    You can almost hear the cognitive dissonance:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1293564142821941248

    Replies: @Wilkey, @TomSchmidt

    Excellent. How can they call you on it?

  78. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @J.Ross


    Is Ginsburg really a left-wing Jew? Wouldn’t she qualify as center-left for most of her career?
     
    No, she was an early proponent of gender-bending advocacy - as theorized by Steve in other cases a probably product of being a bright Jewish girl of a certain class with its own priorities. Although RBG appears to be the only surviving issue of her parents (an older sister died as a child), this is from her Wiki profile (Celia is her mother):

    Celia took an active role in her daughter's education, often taking her to the library. Celia had been a good student in her youth, graduating from high school at age 15, yet she could not further her own education because her family instead chose to send her brother to college. Celia wanted her daughter to get more education, which she thought would allow Ruth to become a high school history teacher. Ruth attended James Madison High School, whose law program later dedicated a courtroom in her honor.
     

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D

    That is some interesting background but I don’t see how that answers the question of whether she was left wing or merely center-left.

    Ginsburg’s husband was a leading tax lawyer with a prominent NY law firm, which is not exactly a field that is rife with Commies (and many of Ginsburg’s generation of leftist Jews were Red Diaper babies – they actually moved to the right in comparison to their card carrying Communist parents). Her first big gender discrimination case was one that was referred by her husband which involved a provision in the tax code that gave a deduction for FEMALE caretakers of parents (and her client was a man).

    From what I know of the Ginsburgs ( Marty taught my law school class on taxation – I never took any courses with RBG) I think that their views were conventional Upper West Side liberal Jewish views of their time, which would rate as shockingly leftist to some here (anyone to the left of Herman Goering would rate as shockingly leftist to some here) but I think are quite moderate by today’s Woke standards as evidenced by the fact that she is already being trashed from the Left.

    The main attribute of the Ginsburgs is that they were both EXTREMELY intelligent people – I mean like really, really smart. I don’t consider myself to be a stupid person but Marty (and Ruth was smarter than Marty) was clearly in another league. In his class, I felt like the black students must have felt in the other classes (I don’t recall that there were any black students in his class come to think of it). Watching him play the tax code was like watching Bobby Fischer play chess. If you know the rules of chess you could understand his moves once he made them but you could never come up with them yourself. If Marty Ginsburg did not have a good 15 IQ points on me then I will eat my copy of the IRC. People that smart are not going to go for something so fundamentally primitive as BLM.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  79. @Jack D
    @Gordo

    Out of the roughly 6 million Jews in America, around 5,000 (mostly Orthodox) Jews move to Israel each year. American Jews overwhelmingly do NOT see Israel as "their own" country. Leftist Jews like Ginsburg especially do not like modern day Israel with its right wing politics and religious atmosphere. If they wanted that they could move to Alabama and not have to learn Hebrew.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Out of the roughly 6 million Jews in America, around 5,000 (mostly Orthodox) Jews move to Israel each year. American Jews overwhelmingly do NOT see Israel as “their own” country. Leftist Jews like Ginsburg especially do not like modern day Israel with its right wing politics and religious atmosphere. If they wanted that they could move to Alabama and not have to learn Hebrew.

    Jews see what they want to see. The fact is that all American Jews have a right to reside in Israel and become citizens there whether they want to do so or not at the moment. It’s an ethnostate that belongs to Jews whether they acknowledge this fact in service of domestic political expediency or not. I imagine that if the Golems do get powerful enough these objections to the extent they are sincere will be waived by a whole bunch of “Leftist Jews like Ginsburg.”

    On the whole, I think it would be better for all concerned if more American Jews recognized this and did in fact emigrate to avail themselves of the right of return. Leftist Jews would be made to reconcile their political views with the exigencies of actual skin-in-the-game armed human conflict, while non-Leftist Jews would be in an appropriate place to live out their ethnic chauvinism (an ethnostate).

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    The fact that American Jews have a right that is bestowed upon them not at their request is meaningless. Under Polish law, I also have the right to obtain Polish citizenship thru my father. I didn't ask for this right. I have no intention of taking up that right (although if things really really seriously went to hell in America and I had to leave I would choose living in some EU country ahead of living in Israel). There are millions of Americans who may have similar rights according to the laws of the homeland of their parents or ancestors but this doesn't make them disloyal or any less American.


    On the whole, I think it would be better for all concerned if more American Jews recognized this and did in fact emigrate
     
    Here's an idea - why don't YOU leave and I'll stay since you are the one who seems to be unhappy with the way America is now.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Dissident

  80. @Tono Bungay
    @Hypnotoad666

    As Steve Sailer noted drily a week or two ago, it's almost as if BLM is based on a lie. Ferguson was a total lie -- investigated three times and the officer --- God bless him wherever he may be --- exonerated each time. Floyd a complex case oversimplified and misrepresented by a mendacious, tendentious media, probably very little fault on any of the officers' part. But the whole world is snowed by it, and although my family members have warned me to shut up about it, I say our only hope is stating the truth plainly and definitely NOT "taking a knee."

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Gianni in Guernsey

    When our glorious media got away with the Trayvon mugging the Hispanic democrat neighbourhood watchman and the Chrystal Mangum farago and the Jackie Coakley deciding she was in an urban legend we Springfieldites should have realized we have not the backbone of Shelbyvilllians. Jebediah Springfield we have failed you.

  81. @Jesse
    She's not entirely wrong though, although her reasoning is obviously off. Anyone see that video where they pretended that a 27 y/o male journalist was floored by RBG's workout? (At least, I hope to god it was a pretence..)

    It's wildly hypocritical, but it's not wrong.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @guest

    Well, if she stopped at the headline she wouldn’t be wrong. But she proceeds to say many wrong things, so she is wrong.

    For instance, Ginsburg’s collar is not chic. This is like when they tried to pretend Michelle Obama was a fashion plate. Just no.

  82. @syonredux
    Yeesh. I'd almost forgotten the "Notorious RBG" meme.....


    https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.537409540.3804/pp,550x550.u2.jpg

    http://i0.wp.com/www.kyrackramer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/rbg-one.jpg


    https://media.customon.com/unsafe/1200x1200/img.customon.com/design/1200/1200/0a0909/62366/b302da21f063621aaa6bdaf94ca65fc7.png.jpg

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Cortes, @anon, @guest

    This “fandom” let it be noted only gained momentum after people started worrying about her impending death. I don’t remember Ginzo being a political icon prior to that. She was merely the other chick justice, then briefly the sole chick justice. Finally, the elder chick justice.

    Plus a lefty Washington mainstay. But those are a dime a dozen.

  83. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Hess’s logic is more nefarious than simply saying we should stop celebrating the accomplishments of RBG and focus on minorities.

    She’s saying that her vision of societal change is not to be achieved via the “halls of power” (democratic civil institutions) but “the streets” (the mob, threats and violence).

    My guess is there is a 90% chance we are reliving 1970 rather than 1790 and that things calm down. But it makes me really concerned that the newspaper that represents America’s
    Ruling Class is publishing opinions like this.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Anonymous, @guest

    It would be nefarious if she meant it, but no doubt she doesn’t. It’s just something you say when you don’t expect anyone to fight back.

  84. @AnotherDad
    @ThreeCranes


    The Founders couldn’t have foreseen the day when people could be kept on life support indefinitely. Isn’t there some clause in the Constitution regarding a Justice’s capacity to function?
     
    Article III is the weakest part of the Constitution.

    There isn't much structure--including checks and balances--baked in. It's bare bones: We'll have a Supreme Court and as many inferior courts as Congress--a representative branch--decides. At the time it seemed reasonable.

    But the founders simply did not envision anything like the arrogance of the judiciary married to minoritarianism, and how that could simply hijack/destroy the rest of their republican framework.

    Unfortunately the life terms--which is one of the things that would be goodness to fix--are baked in with the "during good behavior". Would require an amendment to fix. (My idea would be Supremes serve a term then roll back to a lower court. They doing a job, they are not royalty.)

    But the thing really needs a top to bottom scrub to rein the judiciary in. And--bottom line--they will never be reined in unless the people's representatives lay down the law on usurpation.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @res, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    My idea would be Supremes serve a term then roll back to a lower court.

    That is an interesting idea. One side effect of it would be making it possible for there to be lower court judges who are more prestigious than some of the Supremes. I wonder what that would do to appeal dynamics?

  85. Steve,

    I hope you have been listening to the NY Times podcast on Nice White Parents. It has been focusing on the history of one school and shows how very large school district are incapable of good management. A written article could have been able to conveny the same information in less time but the podcast is interesting.

  86. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    Out of the roughly 6 million Jews in America, around 5,000 (mostly Orthodox) Jews move to Israel each year. American Jews overwhelmingly do NOT see Israel as “their own” country. Leftist Jews like Ginsburg especially do not like modern day Israel with its right wing politics and religious atmosphere. If they wanted that they could move to Alabama and not have to learn Hebrew.
     
    Jews see what they want to see. The fact is that all American Jews have a right to reside in Israel and become citizens there whether they want to do so or not at the moment. It's an ethnostate that belongs to Jews whether they acknowledge this fact in service of domestic political expediency or not. I imagine that if the Golems do get powerful enough these objections to the extent they are sincere will be waived by a whole bunch of "Leftist Jews like Ginsburg."

    On the whole, I think it would be better for all concerned if more American Jews recognized this and did in fact emigrate to avail themselves of the right of return. Leftist Jews would be made to reconcile their political views with the exigencies of actual skin-in-the-game armed human conflict, while non-Leftist Jews would be in an appropriate place to live out their ethnic chauvinism (an ethnostate).

    Replies: @Jack D

    The fact that American Jews have a right that is bestowed upon them not at their request is meaningless. Under Polish law, I also have the right to obtain Polish citizenship thru my father. I didn’t ask for this right. I have no intention of taking up that right (although if things really really seriously went to hell in America and I had to leave I would choose living in some EU country ahead of living in Israel). There are millions of Americans who may have similar rights according to the laws of the homeland of their parents or ancestors but this doesn’t make them disloyal or any less American.

    On the whole, I think it would be better for all concerned if more American Jews recognized this and did in fact emigrate

    Here’s an idea – why don’t YOU leave and I’ll stay since you are the one who seems to be unhappy with the way America is now.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    Here’s an idea – why don’t YOU leave and I’ll stay since you are the one who seems to be unhappy with the way America is now.
     
    The problem here is that even though I qualify for consideration for dual citizenship by blood and descent I would still have to apply for it and hope that the application is accepted. You don't have that problem. I'd also have to say as a non-Jew that you'd be crazy as a Jew to prefer Poland to Israel. A Mediterranean climate, fine cuisine contributed by the Mizrahim and Sephardi, a government concerned about your welfare and the welfare of your progeny . . .

    "[T]he way America is now" is increasingly dumb and bizarre and surely wasn't the product of my choosing nor that of my countrymen. This "way" was imposed upon me and us extrademocratically - and, I am increasingly convinced, out of a real malice.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Dissident
    @Jack D


    (although if things really really seriously went to hell in America and I had to leave I would choose living in some EU country ahead of living in Israel).
     
    Wait, so you're not a Zionist then?

    How could a Zionist Jew justify the attitude you expressed? Barring extenuating or special circumstances, can a Zionist Jew reside outside of the Zionist State without being a hypocrite? If one is a Jew and believes that the continued existence, security and well-being of the State of Israel is critical to the continued existence, security and well-being of the Jewish people, how can one justify not contributing to said values (and leading by personal example) by residing in said location? I ask this sincerely and not out of hostility.

  87. @AnotherDad
    @ThreeCranes


    The Founders couldn’t have foreseen the day when people could be kept on life support indefinitely. Isn’t there some clause in the Constitution regarding a Justice’s capacity to function?
     
    Article III is the weakest part of the Constitution.

    There isn't much structure--including checks and balances--baked in. It's bare bones: We'll have a Supreme Court and as many inferior courts as Congress--a representative branch--decides. At the time it seemed reasonable.

    But the founders simply did not envision anything like the arrogance of the judiciary married to minoritarianism, and how that could simply hijack/destroy the rest of their republican framework.

    Unfortunately the life terms--which is one of the things that would be goodness to fix--are baked in with the "during good behavior". Would require an amendment to fix. (My idea would be Supremes serve a term then roll back to a lower court. They doing a job, they are not royalty.)

    But the thing really needs a top to bottom scrub to rein the judiciary in. And--bottom line--they will never be reined in unless the people's representatives lay down the law on usurpation.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @res, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Unfortunately the life terms–which is one of the things that would be goodness to fix–are baked in with the “during good behavior”. Would require an amendment to fix. (My idea would be Supremes serve a term then roll back to a lower court. They doing a job, they are not royalty.)

    I think the best path to diminish the importance of judicial vacancies would be to increase the size of the Court (obviously, how you get there without one side packing it wholesale for partisan advantage is the problem).

    A Court with 19 Justices is a different animal than a Court with 9. Vacancies would be both less rare and less likely to flip the Court on hot-button issues, so less worth the fighting to the death over.

    In that case, you’re probably looking at older Justices feeling better about taking timely retirement rather than gambling on the composition of the Senate and the Presidency and goofing it up, and then feeling compelled to extend their stay by four to eight years in a race with death.

    I’d bet that Ginsburg expected a victory for HRC and a healthy enough Senate majority for the Democrats (and/or Republican fecklessness in the majority with an historic Uterus-American Democratic President), at which point she’d triumphantly step down to great fanfare to be replaced by a female piss-and-vinegar left wing ideologue nominated by the First Female President of the United States. But the best laid plans something something . . .

  88. @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    The fact that American Jews have a right that is bestowed upon them not at their request is meaningless. Under Polish law, I also have the right to obtain Polish citizenship thru my father. I didn't ask for this right. I have no intention of taking up that right (although if things really really seriously went to hell in America and I had to leave I would choose living in some EU country ahead of living in Israel). There are millions of Americans who may have similar rights according to the laws of the homeland of their parents or ancestors but this doesn't make them disloyal or any less American.


    On the whole, I think it would be better for all concerned if more American Jews recognized this and did in fact emigrate
     
    Here's an idea - why don't YOU leave and I'll stay since you are the one who seems to be unhappy with the way America is now.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Dissident

    Here’s an idea – why don’t YOU leave and I’ll stay since you are the one who seems to be unhappy with the way America is now.

    The problem here is that even though I qualify for consideration for dual citizenship by blood and descent I would still have to apply for it and hope that the application is accepted. You don’t have that problem. I’d also have to say as a non-Jew that you’d be crazy as a Jew to prefer Poland to Israel. A Mediterranean climate, fine cuisine contributed by the Mizrahim and Sephardi, a government concerned about your welfare and the welfare of your progeny . . .

    “[T]he way America is now” is increasingly dumb and bizarre and surely wasn’t the product of my choosing nor that of my countrymen. This “way” was imposed upon me and us extrademocratically – and, I am increasingly convinced, out of a real malice.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I wouldn't be at all surprised if by mid-century American Jewry is back in Eastern Europe. The West appears bent on self-destruction while demographic changes are turning Israel into a Jewish theocracy with little appeal to secular Jews. Latin America is culturally strange and anyway the Sephardim are already well established there, leaving little opportunity for outsiders. That leaves only Russia and its neighbors.

  89. @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    The fact that American Jews have a right that is bestowed upon them not at their request is meaningless. Under Polish law, I also have the right to obtain Polish citizenship thru my father. I didn't ask for this right. I have no intention of taking up that right (although if things really really seriously went to hell in America and I had to leave I would choose living in some EU country ahead of living in Israel). There are millions of Americans who may have similar rights according to the laws of the homeland of their parents or ancestors but this doesn't make them disloyal or any less American.


    On the whole, I think it would be better for all concerned if more American Jews recognized this and did in fact emigrate
     
    Here's an idea - why don't YOU leave and I'll stay since you are the one who seems to be unhappy with the way America is now.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Dissident

    (although if things really really seriously went to hell in America and I had to leave I would choose living in some EU country ahead of living in Israel).

    Wait, so you’re not a Zionist then?

    How could a Zionist Jew justify the attitude you expressed? Barring extenuating or special circumstances, can a Zionist Jew reside outside of the Zionist State without being a hypocrite? If one is a Jew and believes that the continued existence, security and well-being of the State of Israel is critical to the continued existence, security and well-being of the Jewish people, how can one justify not contributing to said values (and leading by personal example) by residing in said location? I ask this sincerely and not out of hostility.

  90. @Reg Cæsar
    @KevinB


    like some weirdo anti-temperance hysteric from the 19th century
     
    Huh?



    https://cdn.britannica.com/62/9862-004-166D0ABC/Carry-Nation.jpg

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Muggles

    Isn’t Ms. Nation culturally appropriating an AmerInd artifact?

  91. @clyde
    @newrouter

    I see a shit-ton of people wearing masks outdoors with no one, and I mean no one nearby them. Blacks are especially brainwashed - stupid- gullible on this. iow- blacks don't have the brain cells to see through governmental propaganda and bullshit.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @dfordoom

    I see a shit-ton of people wearing masks outdoors with no one, and I mean no one nearby them. Blacks are especially brainwashed – stupid- gullible on this. iow- blacks don’t have the brain cells to see through governmental propaganda and bullshit.

    I see lots of people in Australia doing that as well. They’re overwhelmingly white, overwhelmingly young and mostly female.

    Millennials and Zoomers seem to be unbelievably brainwashed and conformist. They’re the ones who are really really scared.

  92. Anonymous[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    Here’s an idea – why don’t YOU leave and I’ll stay since you are the one who seems to be unhappy with the way America is now.
     
    The problem here is that even though I qualify for consideration for dual citizenship by blood and descent I would still have to apply for it and hope that the application is accepted. You don't have that problem. I'd also have to say as a non-Jew that you'd be crazy as a Jew to prefer Poland to Israel. A Mediterranean climate, fine cuisine contributed by the Mizrahim and Sephardi, a government concerned about your welfare and the welfare of your progeny . . .

    "[T]he way America is now" is increasingly dumb and bizarre and surely wasn't the product of my choosing nor that of my countrymen. This "way" was imposed upon me and us extrademocratically - and, I am increasingly convinced, out of a real malice.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if by mid-century American Jewry is back in Eastern Europe. The West appears bent on self-destruction while demographic changes are turning Israel into a Jewish theocracy with little appeal to secular Jews. Latin America is culturally strange and anyway the Sephardim are already well established there, leaving little opportunity for outsiders. That leaves only Russia and its neighbors.

  93. @Reg Cæsar
    @Fabian Forge


    If you look close, you’ll see she’s up there behind Justice Scalia.
     
    He was the "right-wing association" I was referring to.

    They were great pals socially, often going to the opera and travelling together.
     
    Just to be clear, they and their spouses travelled together.

    Replies: @Fabian Forge

    Sorry. I thought you meant the elephant!

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