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The rules of engagement are different in The Capital of the World where the Important People live than in flyover cities:

The LAPD has also done good a job (at least so far) of keeping the rioters in check.

Here in Los Angeles, the media orthodoxy is that the LAPD was racistly brutal in the old days, but now all is reformed so everything is fine. In reality, Bill Bratton as LAPD chief introduced a brilliant scheme to SoCal. Sam Quinones explained the breakthrough idea a dozen years ago in L.A. was that instead of arresting “gang kingpins” — in reality, you don’t have to be a Criminal Mastermind to run a gang, so there are plenty of replacements for every “kingpin” arrested — you arrest the entire membership of the gang all at once, including foot soldiers, then send them off to federal prisons in the Midwest where they can’t communicate on visiting day with their girlfriends and moms.

 
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  1. The more destructive of the protests are being carried out by white supremacists and right wingers

    Republican leaders caused this mess with their inability to govern and listen to their colleagues across the aisle. Voters will respond accordingly

    Exacerbating this violence is access to firearms and hateful rhetoric coming from conservative media

    The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms, stringent hate speech laws, and liberalizing immigration and movement so that white men will have trouble organizing this sort of destruction

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Kevin Silver

    You forgot to add, "Read Zanzebi X. Blib-Blab and Ibrahim N'Gambe Zibzob"

    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @Kevin Silver

    So you've stopped having periods, darling. Love your new hobby of translating hot flashes into English.

    , @22pp22
    @Kevin Silver

    I have met farm animals with more intellect than this guy. The average carrot has a higher IQ.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Kevin Silver



    ...

    The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms, stringent hate speech laws, and liberalizing immigration and movement so that white men will have trouble organizing this sort of destruction
     
    Nice trolling. This is the "wisdom" we are subjected to.

    But really are there any Jews named "Kevin".

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Lurker

    , @TBA
    @Kevin Silver

    Poe's Law.

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Kevin Silver

    "The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms"

    But first, we got to REGISTER them first... how we going to do that?

    Aha! We'll call that "The Gun Show Loophole"... all the communists at NPR will eat that up and spread it around, like the NYT, Chicago Tribune, Washington Post...


    The late Nelson T. ‘‘ Pete’’ Shields, the founding chair of Handgun Control, Inc., put it this way:

    The first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition— except for the military, police, licensed security guards,
    licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors— totally illegal (quoted in Richard Harris, ‘‘A Reporter at Large: Handguns,’’ New Yorker, July 26, 1976).

    https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/cato-handbook-policymakers/2001/9/hb107-23.pdf
     

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Alfa158
    @Kevin Silver

    I still haven’t figured out if this is Tiny Duck refraining from the deliberate misspelling that he used to signal it was a spoof, or a new troll. It just isn’t as funny without the misspellings and the standard reference to White women craving men of color.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Jus' Sayin'...

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Kevin Silver

    I hope this is satire, as such it's pretty good.

    , @Currahee
    @Kevin Silver

    Thank you, comrade. Your correct analysis has lifted the veil of ignorance from my eyes.

    , @Prester John
    @Kevin Silver

    Sounds like a Tiny Duck clone. Wait a minute...maybe...nah, couldn't be.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Kevin Silver

    We really need a "This is Tiny" button.

    , @Yancey Ward
    @Kevin Silver

    Bravo! I just wish you could have worked Climate Change into the list of needed actions.

    , @Hibernian
    @Kevin Silver


    The more destructive of the protests are being carried out by white supremacists and right wingers
     
    They're being carried out by white people who are anything but right wing. They may be big time white supremacists in their own way, like their heroes Fidel and Che.
    , @White Enthusiast
    @Kevin Silver

    This is sarcasm, right?

  2. Important People live in certain coastal cities, so different rules apply to them.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Redneck farmer

    I've lived in many coastal cities. I have never been Important. I would like to be though. I like power.

  3. Well, I guess the riots have solved the unemployment problem caused by the depression caused by the lockdown caused by the virus-panic caused by Trump-hatred. We’re not going to “make America great again,” we’re just going to have to rebuild it from the rubble.

    Think of the millions and millions of construction jobs that will be given to laid-off journalists and free-lance fact-checkers.

    Oh, who are we kidding, we’re just going to hire more immigrants.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    The rioters (oops, protesters) are not social distancing. Shouldn't they be arrested for that?

    The Minneapolis police are following their brothers in Baltimore and spending their time eating donuts instead of risking their asses. Why risk your ass for the public when the only thanks that you get is to be arrested and vilified?

    Black Lives Matter should be renamed "Police Don't Matter" and then it would all become clear. When the Thin Blue Line is erased, all hell breaks loose.

    What's going on is not a black riot - blacks would be in a constant state of riot if we let them - let every day be undocumented shopping day! The thing that blacks love the most is free stuff. Mo' free stuff! Send cargo! What is going on is a police work stoppage, which is the only thing that keeps every day in the ghetto from being Free Stuff Day.

    , @Alexander Turok
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Yeah, that's why Russia, China, and pretty much everywhere else shut things down: Trump-hatred.

    Idiot.

  4. Remember, terrorism is cool, and specifically cool with Mark Zuckerberg, so long as it’s the right kind of terrorism.
    https://www.facebook_com/FTPCHI (CHICAGO)
    https://www.facebook_com/FTPPhilly (PHILADELPHIA)
    https://www.facebook_com/FTPBloom/ (BLOOMINGTON)
    https://www.facebook_com/ftpboston (BOSTON)
    https://www.facebook_com/FTPSTL/ (ST. LOUIS)
    https://www.facebook_com/okftp/ (OKLAHOMA)
    https://www.facebook_com/FTPNOLA/ (NOLA)
    https://www.facebook_com/FTPSLC/ (SLC)
    https://www.facebook_com/FTPTC/ (TWIN CITIES)
    Is your nearest major city on their hit list?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @J.Ross

    Thanks for the links.

    [Note that "_com" has to change to ".com" for them to work.]

    For those who don't want to click through, here are a few of the posts that Facebook is totally relaxed about hosting on its platform. (This is besides that fact that the FTP org itself is openly Maoist, aka, democide total in the tens of millions: literally worse than Hitler, lol.)

    Terrorism? No problem.
    https://scontent-mia3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/101385181_959382021170789_6877651128176082944_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=c-U_HSgX_pYAX8OsF3S&_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-1.xx&oh=79ac692257dc2d9f918581ce9991f6ac&oe=5EF96DE8

    Glorifying arson and violence? No problem.
    https://scontent-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/100089957_959381801170811_4493097440194330624_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=dFYpUs4p3IgAX-bd9sy&_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-2.xx&oh=5b6d87a70761d1fbb91bdeae4b444ac8&oe=5EF92F5E
    https://scontent-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/100089957_959381801170811_4493097440194330624_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=dFYpUs4p3IgAX-bd9sy&_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-2.xx&oh=5b6d87a70761d1fbb91bdeae4b444ac8&oe=5EF92F5E

    Stalking, harassing, making a starvation siege? No problem.
    https://scontent-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/100379218_10219306616633925_110395971065610240_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=o8VQJSncSuEAX-NGf4E&_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-2.xx&oh=1e1991686489590f4f097cb8aaf1ba15&oe=5EF6A410

    #WhoWhom

  5. Evil racist past:
    https://postimg.cc/nXLn2wBB
    Vibrant diverse present:
    https://postimg.cc/mzZxZPjM
    (Hugo and Edgar are of course the awards for the respective genres.)

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    @J.Ross

    Oh, that one really hurts.

    , @Mike_from_SGV
    @J.Ross

    "Many signed first editions', now in flames, god that's a punch in the gut.

    , @Dieter Kief
    @J.Ross

    Didn't Hitler do that too?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @TomSchmidt
    @J.Ross

    Note that it wasn't looted.

    , @Anonymous
    @J.Ross


    Vibrant diverse present:
     
    I don't think I fully understood just how disgusting the riots were until I saw that photo of the bookshop in flames. Truly a stomach-churning sight.

    I would give a lot to know the racial makeup of the mob that torched it. Blacks typically have little use for books (see Chris Rock on the subject), so there was nothing for them to loot. They could have simply moved on to something more worth their while and spared the shop.

    If white rioters torched it, that makes it even worse: they knew the value of those books.

    Books = civilisation. Savages.
    , @John Pepple
    @J.Ross

    That's a terrible loss. My wife and I would always go there when we went to the Twin Cities. Uncle Edgar's had so many used paperback mysteries for sale that I never even tried to go through them all during one visit.

  6. Will Trump be the first Republican to win MN since Nixon?

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @Gopher Refugee

    It was close last time. Most counties went Trump. Turnout is key. Hillary didn’t get out the vote like Obama. And a lot of Bernie fans refuse to vote Biden. Some folks will put up with Trump to justify tearing everything down.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Known Fact
    @Gopher Refugee

    Reagan supposedly called off his troops there to spare good ol' Walter Mondale the embarassment of losing his home state

    Replies: @res

    , @Father Coughlin
    @Gopher Refugee

    In 2016, Evan McMullin's Never-Trump conservative, Mormon-infused candidacy pulled 53,076 votes. That is greater than the margin Hillary won by, 44765. He's not on the ballot this time.

    Replies: @res, @Father Coughlin

    , @Alden
    @Gopher Refugee

    One can but hope. I lost my hope that presidents would ever be anything but anti White during the Johnson Nixon years.

    But I do enjoy the liberal weeping and wailing when a republican wins.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  7. @Kevin Silver
    The more destructive of the protests are being carried out by white supremacists and right wingers

    Republican leaders caused this mess with their inability to govern and listen to their colleagues across the aisle. Voters will respond accordingly

    Exacerbating this violence is access to firearms and hateful rhetoric coming from conservative media

    The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms, stringent hate speech laws, and liberalizing immigration and movement so that white men will have trouble organizing this sort of destruction

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @22pp22, @AnotherDad, @TBA, @Joe Stalin, @Alfa158, @Hypnotoad666, @Currahee, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar, @Yancey Ward, @Hibernian, @White Enthusiast

    You forgot to add, “Read Zanzebi X. Blib-Blab and Ibrahim N’Gambe Zibzob”

    • LOL: Carol
  8. @Kevin Silver
    The more destructive of the protests are being carried out by white supremacists and right wingers

    Republican leaders caused this mess with their inability to govern and listen to their colleagues across the aisle. Voters will respond accordingly

    Exacerbating this violence is access to firearms and hateful rhetoric coming from conservative media

    The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms, stringent hate speech laws, and liberalizing immigration and movement so that white men will have trouble organizing this sort of destruction

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @22pp22, @AnotherDad, @TBA, @Joe Stalin, @Alfa158, @Hypnotoad666, @Currahee, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar, @Yancey Ward, @Hibernian, @White Enthusiast

    So you’ve stopped having periods, darling. Love your new hobby of translating hot flashes into English.

  9. Police Employment, Officers Per Capita Rates for U.S. Cities
    https://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/police-officers-per-capita-rates-employment-for-city-departments.html

    New York, New York 42.3 36,228 60.0 51,399
    Minneapolis, Minnesota 20.3 847 24.4 1,018
    St. Paul, Minnesota 20.6 627 26.2 796

    I am going to guess that police divided by area, NYC DC have an even larger number than other places. NYC can also get reinforcements from places like Newark NJ and Nassau County (home if the MS-13).

    But there will likely be a pension funding crisis, so Minneapolis might have the last laugh when the pension bills come due.

    NYC is very expensive so ‘outside agitators’ have trouble finding a place to stay.

  10. @Kevin Silver
    The more destructive of the protests are being carried out by white supremacists and right wingers

    Republican leaders caused this mess with their inability to govern and listen to their colleagues across the aisle. Voters will respond accordingly

    Exacerbating this violence is access to firearms and hateful rhetoric coming from conservative media

    The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms, stringent hate speech laws, and liberalizing immigration and movement so that white men will have trouble organizing this sort of destruction

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @22pp22, @AnotherDad, @TBA, @Joe Stalin, @Alfa158, @Hypnotoad666, @Currahee, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar, @Yancey Ward, @Hibernian, @White Enthusiast

    I have met farm animals with more intellect than this guy. The average carrot has a higher IQ.

  11. Not to be outdone, New York City “protesters” have rolled Dog Lady revenge into their protests:

    After starting in Foley Square at 4 p.m., Manhattan protesters rallied at Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance’s office nearby, to call on the DA to charge Amy Cooper, the dog-walker who called the cops on a black man in Central Park.

    Given that NYC government is either supine or virulently anti-white, I expect Ms. Cooper will see some form of “charge” laid against her, though they might need to get creative.

    Meanwhile, elected officials add fuel to the fire:

    “My name is Jumaane Williams and I am not OK,” the city’s Public Advocate said at that protest. “I am a proponent of non-violence … but sometimes you have to afflict the comfortable.”

    I have to say I admire this level of chicanery. “I’m definitely against violent, but THIS time….”

    Given that the Public Advocate salary is $184,800 a year, Jumaane is probably pretty comfortable himself (and being a professional black grifter, no doubt he has plenty of side grifts). The job — less than useless, as the Public Advocate is simply someone that promotes trouble — seemed to start out as a Jewish sinecure and was Jewish held for 15 years. Then it transitioned through deBlasio (a perfect job for that idiot), and now it’s black, and likely it will stay that way for a little longer. My bet is the next Public Advocate will be a shrill Asian woman. But Jumaane has a few more years to go.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @peterike

    I expect Ms. Cooper will see some form of “charge” laid against her, though they might need to get creative.

    NYC got very creative when they sentenced two Proud Boys to four years last year for participating in a minor street fight in which their Antifa opponents were not injured, refused to press charges, and refused even to identify themselves.

  12. Can you imagine the congressional hearings, hate crime charges, and endless lawsuits designed to bankrupt everybody in the photo? https://t.co/ofXHPTxWKA— 🐸 hbd nrx 🐸 (@HbdNrx) May 30, 2020

  13. • Replies: @Ed
    @YetAnotherAnon

    There's a whole generation of white girls that lack street savvy and guarding their personal safety.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  14. @J.Ross
    Evil racist past:
    https://postimg.cc/nXLn2wBB
    Vibrant diverse present:
    https://postimg.cc/mzZxZPjM
    (Hugo and Edgar are of course the awards for the respective genres.)

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @Mike_from_SGV, @Dieter Kief, @TomSchmidt, @Anonymous, @John Pepple

    Oh, that one really hurts.

  15. @Gopher Refugee
    Will Trump be the first Republican to win MN since Nixon?

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Known Fact, @Father Coughlin, @Alden

    It was close last time. Most counties went Trump. Turnout is key. Hillary didn’t get out the vote like Obama. And a lot of Bernie fans refuse to vote Biden. Some folks will put up with Trump to justify tearing everything down.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @hhsiii

    I don't think many people are going to vote for the current President as a protest vote against the system.

    Trump's fanbase here seems to take it for granted that Trump is incapable of doing much and thus that they are still the "anti-establishment." Most average Joes make the opposite mistake, they overestimate how important the President is.

    Replies: @VinnyVette, @hhsiii

  16. @J.Ross
    Evil racist past:
    https://postimg.cc/nXLn2wBB
    Vibrant diverse present:
    https://postimg.cc/mzZxZPjM
    (Hugo and Edgar are of course the awards for the respective genres.)

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @Mike_from_SGV, @Dieter Kief, @TomSchmidt, @Anonymous, @John Pepple

    “Many signed first editions’, now in flames, god that’s a punch in the gut.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
  17. @Kevin Silver
    The more destructive of the protests are being carried out by white supremacists and right wingers

    Republican leaders caused this mess with their inability to govern and listen to their colleagues across the aisle. Voters will respond accordingly

    Exacerbating this violence is access to firearms and hateful rhetoric coming from conservative media

    The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms, stringent hate speech laws, and liberalizing immigration and movement so that white men will have trouble organizing this sort of destruction

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @22pp22, @AnotherDad, @TBA, @Joe Stalin, @Alfa158, @Hypnotoad666, @Currahee, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar, @Yancey Ward, @Hibernian, @White Enthusiast

    The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms, stringent hate speech laws, and liberalizing immigration and movement so that white men will have trouble organizing this sort of destruction

    Nice trolling. This is the “wisdom” we are subjected to.

    But really are there any Jews named “Kevin”.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @AnotherDad

    There are 1,114 Kevin Cohens on LinekdIn:

    https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/all/?keywords=kevin%20cohen&origin=GLOBAL_SEARCH_HEADER

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @TontoBubbaGoldstein

    , @Lurker
    @AnotherDad

    One of Robert Maxwell's sons is called Kevin*. But this is in a British context - Kevin is, or was, an extremely popular boy's name.

    *Sister of Epstein handler Ghislaine Maxwell.

  18. White cops kill more whites than blacks… Never worthy of national news, and there are never any riots over it…
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/05/policing-and-media-double-standards.php

  19. @Kevin Silver
    The more destructive of the protests are being carried out by white supremacists and right wingers

    Republican leaders caused this mess with their inability to govern and listen to their colleagues across the aisle. Voters will respond accordingly

    Exacerbating this violence is access to firearms and hateful rhetoric coming from conservative media

    The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms, stringent hate speech laws, and liberalizing immigration and movement so that white men will have trouble organizing this sort of destruction

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @22pp22, @AnotherDad, @TBA, @Joe Stalin, @Alfa158, @Hypnotoad666, @Currahee, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar, @Yancey Ward, @Hibernian, @White Enthusiast

    Poe’s Law.

  20. NOTA says:

    There’s a fascinating thing happening here. Plenty of
    decent people are rightly upset that the cops killed this poor guy, and they broadly support some kind of protest, and then this somehow makes them unable to criticize looting and arson. It’s like they can’t hold it in their brains that you can be against police brutality, arson, and looting at the same time.

    • Agree: Uk, Hibernian
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @NOTA


    There’s a fascinating thing happening here. Plenty of
    decent people are rightly upset that the cops killed this poor guy, and they broadly support some kind of protest, and then this somehow makes them unable to criticize looting and arson. It’s like they can’t hold it in their brains that you can be against police brutality, arson, and looting at the same time.
     
    Yep. But for the record:

    -- This guy isn't a "poor guy", he's useless criminal garbage--read an outline of his home invasion conviction. If you were a dictator culling America of garbage, he'd be in the garbage pile.

    -- This isn't even in the top 100, or even top 1000 of the really ridiculous police brutality abuses. It was unnecessary. Just guessing--one of these power-tripping cops, over-baking it. (Or as some suggest, personal beef.) And not realizing the guy really was in poor enough health he was going to heart attack on him.

    Heck this isn't even the most egregious police brutality in Minneapolis in recent years. That's the Somali diversity hire just whipping out his gun shooting right across his partner, killing a completely innocent and harmless white woman.

    I missed those riots.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @TomSchmidt, @Jay Fink

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @NOTA


    It’s like they can’t hold it in their brains that you can be against police brutality, arson, and looting at the same time.
     
    Yeah, but that problem exists on our side too.
    , @Altai
    @NOTA

    This is what has been going on vis-a-vis immigration and multiculturalism from the start. It also applies increasingly to Israel in the US.

    The arguments aren't made in a universal way. They're made from the perspective of certain groups interests. Another holocaust would be bad for Jews. Not fully ethnically cleansing the indigenous population of Palestine would also be bad for Jews. Therefore if you don't think the latter is moral you must be against the Jews and consider the former to also be moral. Therefore Jeremy Corbyn is an anti-Semite!

    And therefore if you oppose the riots then really you must oppose the stated grievance of the rioters and support police brutality towards black suspects. And now you understand how we reached this politically log jam that is stopping the necessary political realignments from happening.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @NOTA


    Plenty of decent people are rightly upset that the cops killed this poor guy
     
    Part of the problem is how everyone is falling over themselves to virtue signal about how supposedly shocking and egregious the police action was. If you think about it calmly, it's not particularly shocking at all.

    Floyd was a known dirt-bag felon who had just passed a counterfeit bill. He was wasted to the point he could barely stand. My guess is he shot up with heroin in his car shortly before the cops got there. The cops calmly arrested him. He fought back in his wasted stupor and they restrained him on the ground. Chauvin had his knee on the perp's neck for under three minutes.

    I am no doctor, but your trachea is on the front of your throat, whereas the knee was on the muscles on the side of the neck. During that time, Floyd was talking and said "I can't breath." Which actually proves he could breathe.

    I am not sure if that knee hold was police protocol, but it probably was. It's certainly not a move that is designed to choke someone out. (If you've ever watched an MMA fight, no one can get choked out with that kind of hold).

    Of course they ultimately arrested Chauvin to appease the mob. But the county prosecutor had already said "there was evidence" against arresting him.

    I will bet dollars to donuts that Floyd ended up dying from whatever massive drug overdose was in his system and that having a knee on the side of his neck for three minutes had nothing to do with it. I practically guarantee it.

    But the lying media has been race baiting with their "unarmed black man killed by white cop" cliche for so long that no one is brave enough to say: Uhm, wait a minute . . . are we sure that's what happened?

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Malenfant, @gabriel alberton, @J.Ross, @Anonymous

  21. Anonymous[138] • Disclaimer says:

    Does this mean people will need to spread passover blood over their front door to get police protection soon?

  22. Rules of Engagement Aren’t the Same in the Capital of the World as in Flyover Cities

    Unless your Flyover City doesn’t want DC dictating how you run your schools. Then you suddenly get a Federal Airborne division with fixed bayonets.

    But it’s aiming at you.

    .

    #WhoWhom

  23. “Vicious dogs and ominous weapons” is very black, very ghetto. Alternatively, it would have also been a great name for a metal band, thirty years ago.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @PiltdownMan

    I love our President!! ❤️

  24. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1266711221836931072?s=20

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1266711223657205763?s=20


    "Vicious dogs and ominous weapons" is very black, very ghetto. Alternatively, it would have also been a great name for a metal band, thirty years ago.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I love our President!! ❤️

  25. 128 says:

    Maybe you guys need to rework your narrative that young white guys do not go rioting and looting, since this really seems to contradict that? But then Hong Kong also seems to contradict the narrative that young East Asian dindunuffins do not go rioting, arson, and randomly attacking people as well.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @128

    OneTwoEight, do not conflate Hong Kong, a City State with a long history of self governance and freedoms, now with the knee of China on their neck, struggling, protesting, resisting to regain their status with some punks,hoodlums and scum burning and rioting because it feels so good.

    , @Hibernian
    @128

    Antifa has quite rightly received a lot of criticism on this site.

  26. @J.Ross
    Remember, terrorism is cool, and specifically cool with Mark Zuckerberg, so long as it's the right kind of terrorism.
    https://www.facebook_com/FTPCHI (CHICAGO)
    https://www.facebook_com/FTPPhilly (PHILADELPHIA)
    https://www.facebook_com/FTPBloom/ (BLOOMINGTON)
    https://www.facebook_com/ftpboston (BOSTON)
    https://www.facebook_com/FTPSTL/ (ST. LOUIS)
    https://www.facebook_com/okftp/ (OKLAHOMA)
    https://www.facebook_com/FTPNOLA/ (NOLA)
    https://www.facebook_com/FTPSLC/ (SLC)
    https://www.facebook_com/FTPTC/ (TWIN CITIES)
    Is your nearest major city on their hit list?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  27. New York cops protect a critical mass of Jews. Both important ones and “unimportant” ones that are still important because they have families, often with multiple children. That’s why the rules of engagement are different than every other city in America.

    At last count, the NYPD made 72 arrests, the Minneapolis PD … none.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Father Coughlin

    "At last count, the NYPD made 72 arrests,"

    As I write this, wouldn't be surprised if lawyers recruited and paid by the SPLC are fanning out across the country.

  28. @J.Ross
    Evil racist past:
    https://postimg.cc/nXLn2wBB
    Vibrant diverse present:
    https://postimg.cc/mzZxZPjM
    (Hugo and Edgar are of course the awards for the respective genres.)

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @Mike_from_SGV, @Dieter Kief, @TomSchmidt, @Anonymous, @John Pepple

    Didn’t Hitler do that too?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Dieter Kief

    Not really. People under Hitler targeted specific books, because they analyzed and rejected those specific books as abhorrent to their ideology. Evil but intelligent. I'm not sure that a BLM type would have an ideological issue with Spider Robinson. This was the action of an animal or a robot. They're almost not responsible, they're just lighting things to light them.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  29. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:

    The late George Floyd, like the late Rodney King, had a short, easy-to-pronounce name with a down-home sound to it; so this protest has great legs. Cume is already stellar for a late-spring opening in the northern Midwest region but probably has a 2x or 2.5x multiple in PBS, NPR, and the forthcoming Harvard Stanford Bourgeois Obsessions pay-per-view channel (HSBO). Contrast with Queens/Nassau County matinee audiences who, despite awarding A+ to both in BrutaliScore, reported confusion on the difference between Abner Diallou and Amado Louima

  30. Minneapolis was all white and had not riots in the 1960s. I visited relatives there 20 years ago, no minorities to speak of. The mayor and even the police have no experience dealing with riots and minorities.

    • Replies: @Carol
    @Haole

    So what milieu did Prince arise from then?

    I think there were minorities there.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax, @Haole

    , @Anonymous
    @Haole

    Bingo. They're clueless. The biggest mistake was firing the officers. That showed weakness and made riots inevitable. You must never show weakness in these situations.

  31. CNN is now fanning the flames of the outsiders/white supremacy/russian narrative re the violence, giving it some oxygen. Blue checkmark twitter is already all over it. We’re watching the creation of a false narrative in real time. It’s a difficult sell to average people because it’s hard to justify the violence as righteous rage and then claim white supremacists and russians are behind it. I always wonder, do the “normies” get what’s going on? Hopefully Tucker will explain it to them tonight.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    "Hopefully Tucker will explain it to them tonight."

    Monday. If there's still a country by then.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax

  32. @AnotherDad
    @Kevin Silver



    ...

    The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms, stringent hate speech laws, and liberalizing immigration and movement so that white men will have trouble organizing this sort of destruction
     
    Nice trolling. This is the "wisdom" we are subjected to.

    But really are there any Jews named "Kevin".

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Lurker

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @ben tillman


    There are 1,114 Kevin Cohens on LinekdIn:
     
    Awesome!

    My Jewish friends have always had names like Matthew, Murray, David, Michael, Jerry, Sam.

    Kevin? That's a name from my people. What the heck is happening to Jews? Assimildämmerung.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Alden

    , @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    @ben tillman

    There's my cousin, Kevin "Two Dogs F**king" Cohen, for one...

    , @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    @ben tillman

    There is my cousin, Kevin "Two Dogs F**king" Cohen, for one...

  33. @Kevin Silver
    The more destructive of the protests are being carried out by white supremacists and right wingers

    Republican leaders caused this mess with their inability to govern and listen to their colleagues across the aisle. Voters will respond accordingly

    Exacerbating this violence is access to firearms and hateful rhetoric coming from conservative media

    The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms, stringent hate speech laws, and liberalizing immigration and movement so that white men will have trouble organizing this sort of destruction

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @22pp22, @AnotherDad, @TBA, @Joe Stalin, @Alfa158, @Hypnotoad666, @Currahee, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar, @Yancey Ward, @Hibernian, @White Enthusiast

    “The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms”

    But first, we got to REGISTER them first… how we going to do that?

    Aha! We’ll call that “The Gun Show Loophole”… all the communists at NPR will eat that up and spread it around, like the NYT, Chicago Tribune, Washington Post…

    The late Nelson T. ‘‘ Pete’’ Shields, the founding chair of Handgun Control, Inc., put it this way:

    The first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition— except for the military, police, licensed security guards,
    licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors— totally illegal (quoted in Richard Harris, ‘‘A Reporter at Large: Handguns,’’ New Yorker, July 26, 1976).

    https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/cato-handbook-policymakers/2001/9/hb107-23.pdf

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Joe Stalin


    The late Nelson T. ‘‘ Pete’’ Shields
     
    They left out the "III".

    And, for that matter, the "IV":


    Nelson "Nick" Shields was shot to death by "J.C." Simon. His murder was one of a series which took place in San Francisco between 1973 and 1974. The murders were known as the "Zebra" killings. Simon is serving a life sentence in a California prison. Nick's father, Nelson Shields III, became an anti-gun lobbyist in Washington as a result of his son's death. The senior Mr. Shields passed away in 1993.
    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/40502426/nelson-t_-shields
     
    Pete got his wish. Just in his ancestral Britain, not here.

    Or was he an Irish Shields? What is it with all these non-Peter Shields men going by "Pete"? Is it after the Canadiens star? But the Nelson line was Delawegian, like Joe Biden. Not hockey country.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  34. @Gopher Refugee
    Will Trump be the first Republican to win MN since Nixon?

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Known Fact, @Father Coughlin, @Alden

    Reagan supposedly called off his troops there to spare good ol’ Walter Mondale the embarassment of losing his home state

    • Replies: @res
    @Known Fact


    Reagan supposedly called off his troops there to spare good ol’ Walter Mondale the embarassment of losing his home state
     
    Any reference for that? It seems to conflict with this.
    https://www.nytimes.com/1984/11/05/us/reagan-campaign-makes-last-minute-stop-in-mondale-s-turf.html

    Privately, Reagan aides were calling the last-minute Minnesota stop an attempt to deliver a coup de gr^ace to the Mondale campaign. They have been saying, in near-bragging tones, that only Minnesota and Iowa were seriously resisting their attempt at a landslide victory.
     
  35. @NOTA
    There's a fascinating thing happening here. Plenty of
    decent people are rightly upset that the cops killed this poor guy, and they broadly support some kind of protest, and then this somehow makes them unable to criticize looting and arson. It's like they can't hold it in their brains that you can be against police brutality, arson, and looting at the same time.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Chrisnonymous, @Altai, @Hypnotoad666

    There’s a fascinating thing happening here. Plenty of
    decent people are rightly upset that the cops killed this poor guy, and they broadly support some kind of protest, and then this somehow makes them unable to criticize looting and arson. It’s like they can’t hold it in their brains that you can be against police brutality, arson, and looting at the same time.

    Yep. But for the record:

    — This guy isn’t a “poor guy”, he’s useless criminal garbage–read an outline of his home invasion conviction. If you were a dictator culling America of garbage, he’d be in the garbage pile.

    — This isn’t even in the top 100, or even top 1000 of the really ridiculous police brutality abuses. It was unnecessary. Just guessing–one of these power-tripping cops, over-baking it. (Or as some suggest, personal beef.) And not realizing the guy really was in poor enough health he was going to heart attack on him.

    Heck this isn’t even the most egregious police brutality in Minneapolis in recent years. That’s the Somali diversity hire just whipping out his gun shooting right across his partner, killing a completely innocent and harmless white woman.

    I missed those riots.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @AnotherDad

    Agree. But you could've gone even farther.

    This,


    "they broadly support some kind of protest, and then this somehow makes them unable to criticize looting and arson. It’s like they can’t hold it in their brains that you can be against police brutality, arson, and looting at the same time."
     
    is not really true. There are plenty of people in Twitter and Facebook right now making a spectacle of themselves trying to square that circle. It's just Moral Preening Uber Alles. If they have to choose between saving civilization versus appearing woke, they're gonna choose woke. They will literally let you burn.
    , @TomSchmidt
    @AnotherDad

    This guy isn’t a “poor guy”, he’s useless criminal garbage–read an outline of his home invasion conviction. If you were a dictator culling America of garbage, he’d be in the garbage pile.

    If he ran a business, he would be "nonessential" in other words.

    This isn’t even in the top 100, or even top 1000 of the really ridiculous police brutality abuses. It was unnecessary.

    Let's see what the evidence says. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52857334


    How did George Floyd die?
    The full report by the county medical examiner has not been released, but the complaint states that the post-mortem examination did not find evidence of "traumatic asphyxia or strangulation".
     
    Hmmm. Was this police brutality, or was he executing a standard act from the training manual?

    The Minnesota police handbook states that officers trained on how to compress a detainee's neck without applying direct pressure to the airway can use a knee under its use-of-force policy. This is regarded as a non-deadly-force option.
     
    We have gradually reduced discretion from police, in favor of rule books. If police are called on a domestic violence charge, they MUST arrest. This cop kept his knee on a man's neck, an apparently recommended action, after he had stopped moving. You know and I know that that is wrong. The book doesn't, and the cop was following the book.

    I expect him to get off. I'd like to see that rule of engagement changed.

    Replies: @West Reanimator, @Cortes

    , @Jay Fink
    @AnotherDad

    Thanks for that information. Now that I know he had a history of home invasion I feel less compassion towards him.

  36. “The rules of engagement are different in The Capital of the World where the Important People live than in flyover cities”

    Well, there’s one exception. While police in Any City USA stood down and let riots proceed, CNN headquarters in Atlanta somehow got a chorus line of Atlanta’s Finest to keep rioters from paying a visit to the ones stoking their anger.

    Odd that private business CNN gets White House-tier protection, while your business and my business are left to burn.

  37. Anonymous[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @hhsiii
    @Gopher Refugee

    It was close last time. Most counties went Trump. Turnout is key. Hillary didn’t get out the vote like Obama. And a lot of Bernie fans refuse to vote Biden. Some folks will put up with Trump to justify tearing everything down.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I don’t think many people are going to vote for the current President as a protest vote against the system.

    Trump’s fanbase here seems to take it for granted that Trump is incapable of doing much and thus that they are still the “anti-establishment.” Most average Joes make the opposite mistake, they overestimate how important the President is.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
    @Anonymous

    The president has a lot of symbolic value IE; alot of whites voted Obama who didn't vote for him for his policies "we are no longer a racist country"... Trump although not very effective policy wise is still a big middle finger to the MSM, deep state, and sufferers of TDS!

    , @hhsiii
    @Anonymous

    Oh, I get that. I meant that a lot of people won't vote for Biden, knowing full well it may help Trump, even if they don't support Trump.

  38. @AnotherDad
    @NOTA


    There’s a fascinating thing happening here. Plenty of
    decent people are rightly upset that the cops killed this poor guy, and they broadly support some kind of protest, and then this somehow makes them unable to criticize looting and arson. It’s like they can’t hold it in their brains that you can be against police brutality, arson, and looting at the same time.
     
    Yep. But for the record:

    -- This guy isn't a "poor guy", he's useless criminal garbage--read an outline of his home invasion conviction. If you were a dictator culling America of garbage, he'd be in the garbage pile.

    -- This isn't even in the top 100, or even top 1000 of the really ridiculous police brutality abuses. It was unnecessary. Just guessing--one of these power-tripping cops, over-baking it. (Or as some suggest, personal beef.) And not realizing the guy really was in poor enough health he was going to heart attack on him.

    Heck this isn't even the most egregious police brutality in Minneapolis in recent years. That's the Somali diversity hire just whipping out his gun shooting right across his partner, killing a completely innocent and harmless white woman.

    I missed those riots.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @TomSchmidt, @Jay Fink

    Agree. But you could’ve gone even farther.

    This,

    “they broadly support some kind of protest, and then this somehow makes them unable to criticize looting and arson. It’s like they can’t hold it in their brains that you can be against police brutality, arson, and looting at the same time.”

    is not really true. There are plenty of people in Twitter and Facebook right now making a spectacle of themselves trying to square that circle. It’s just Moral Preening Uber Alles. If they have to choose between saving civilization versus appearing woke, they’re gonna choose woke. They will literally let you burn.

    • Agree: Jack D
  39. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Well, I guess the riots have solved the unemployment problem caused by the depression caused by the lockdown caused by the virus-panic caused by Trump-hatred. We're not going to "make America great again," we're just going to have to rebuild it from the rubble.

    Think of the millions and millions of construction jobs that will be given to laid-off journalists and free-lance fact-checkers.

    Oh, who are we kidding, we're just going to hire more immigrants.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Alexander Turok

    The rioters (oops, protesters) are not social distancing. Shouldn’t they be arrested for that?

    The Minneapolis police are following their brothers in Baltimore and spending their time eating donuts instead of risking their asses. Why risk your ass for the public when the only thanks that you get is to be arrested and vilified?

    Black Lives Matter should be renamed “Police Don’t Matter” and then it would all become clear. When the Thin Blue Line is erased, all hell breaks loose.

    What’s going on is not a black riot – blacks would be in a constant state of riot if we let them – let every day be undocumented shopping day! The thing that blacks love the most is free stuff. Mo’ free stuff! Send cargo! What is going on is a police work stoppage, which is the only thing that keeps every day in the ghetto from being Free Stuff Day.

  40. Fuck the NYPD. Bunch of goons.

    • Replies: @Aeronerauk
    @Lugash

    nah fuck the people throwing cement at them. Tell you what Lugash, you live in a city where the police arent the most feared gang, and I'll live in NYC.

    Perfect? no, but quality of life means something.

    , @AnonAnon
    @Lugash

    NYPD are awesome. Fuck that asshole Antifa kid. Screw all these “protestors”. Life was just starting to get back to normal and now we have to deal with this shit. The “protestors” coughSoroscough seem intent on moving the party into the nicer areas this time around, too. If Georgie boy wasn’t doing criminal things he’d still be alive. I don’t care that he died. If we lived in a just world the rioters and looters would all be in jail and the feds would declare Antifa and BLM domestic terrorist groups and go after them and their funding. I won’t hold my breath.

  41. @ben tillman
    @AnotherDad

    There are 1,114 Kevin Cohens on LinekdIn:

    https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/all/?keywords=kevin%20cohen&origin=GLOBAL_SEARCH_HEADER

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @TontoBubbaGoldstein

    There are 1,114 Kevin Cohens on LinekdIn:

    Awesome!

    My Jewish friends have always had names like Matthew, Murray, David, Michael, Jerry, Sam.

    Kevin? That’s a name from my people. What the heck is happening to Jews? Assimildämmerung.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @AnotherDad


    Assimildämmerung
     
    Nice!
    , @Alden
    @AnotherDad

    It’s a generational things. Your age group was named by their greatest generation parents. The Murrays and Davids names their kids Brittany, Trey and Dylan for both girls and boys.

  42. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s some NYC fun..

    She’s all up in social media. Was out “protesting,” then she got slung by a NY cop who wasn’t having it. Here’s her view of the initial contact:

    Here’s what happened next:

    And here’s the “stupid bitch” being a stupid bitch in the hospital:

    Oh, and the cops assessment of her didn’t go far enough. While she indeed is a “stupid bitch,” she’s also a complete degenerate skank on Youtube and elsewhere.

    Conclusion: Dad’s matter.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Anonymous


    Oh, and the cops assessment of her didn’t go far enough. While she indeed is a “stupid bitch,” she’s also a complete degenerate skank on Youtube and elsewhere.
     
    She has a svelte figure and looks good with her hair straight.

    She and her friend could do a lot of good if they started up an OnlyFans channel.
  43. • Replies: @peterike
    @Lugash

    Lucky for her. Now she can start a Go Fund Me page and make a small fortune.

    , @The Alarmist
    @Lugash

    Did she call him a Mick prick?

    , @Technite78
    @Lugash

    Why is it on these "damning" videos, they're always edited so you can't get any situational context?

    I wonder... ;)

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Lugash

    Lug, they edited the footage...the cop was singing a rap song to lighten his day and he got to the lyrics "...stupid fuckin bitch" as he assisted to her a soft landing.

    , @Federalist
    @Lugash


    NYPD officer just called a female protester a “stupid fucking bitch”
     
    He's not wrong.
    , @Farenheit
    @Lugash

    Looks like someone watched one Waif-fu movie too many!

    , @anon
    @Lugash

    Part of the problem with internet videos of arrests and riots is that ordinary people are not used to the reality of fighting. Fighting is ugly business - you hit, grab, kick, use any weapon handy, choke, etc.
    Police have to fight resisting suspects, and they have to fight rioters. The police look brutal doing it, because fighting IS brutal. Professional fight training doesn't make you more gentle with your tactics, it just makes you more efficiently brutal.
    We expect the police to somehow wave a magic wand and subdue a criminal. It doesn't work that way. You have to beat the shit out of him and put your knee on his neck to shut him up.
    As for the cop hitting a rioter with his car door - I say nice shot!
    As for the cop throwing the female rioter to the ground and calling her a bitch - maybe she'll think twice next time before rioting.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @Rouetheday
    @Lugash

    This woman bears a strong resemblance to one I had an unrequited crush on years ago when I was a clueless liberal. Her mother was a red head of Irish descent while her father was of Egyptian extraction. She definitely favored her father more. Anyway, I happened to make the acquaintance of a fellow who had attended university with her and also had an unrequited crush on her. He had gotten to know her better than I did and he related how she had confided in him that she had been beaten and raped by a previous live-in boyfriend. She said some male friends later confronted him and gave him a beatdown. This poor, earnest sap seemed to believe this story, but it sounded to me like some cynical, calculated BS she'd concocted to scare him away.

  44. @Lugash
    https://twitter.com/JasonLemon/status/1266529475757510656

    Replies: @peterike, @The Alarmist, @Technite78, @Buffalo Joe, @Federalist, @Farenheit, @anon, @Rouetheday

    Lucky for her. Now she can start a Go Fund Me page and make a small fortune.

  45. @Kevin Silver
    The more destructive of the protests are being carried out by white supremacists and right wingers

    Republican leaders caused this mess with their inability to govern and listen to their colleagues across the aisle. Voters will respond accordingly

    Exacerbating this violence is access to firearms and hateful rhetoric coming from conservative media

    The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms, stringent hate speech laws, and liberalizing immigration and movement so that white men will have trouble organizing this sort of destruction

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @22pp22, @AnotherDad, @TBA, @Joe Stalin, @Alfa158, @Hypnotoad666, @Currahee, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar, @Yancey Ward, @Hibernian, @White Enthusiast

    I still haven’t figured out if this is Tiny Duck refraining from the deliberate misspelling that he used to signal it was a spoof, or a new troll. It just isn’t as funny without the misspellings and the standard reference to White women craving men of color.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Alfa158

    Steve's trying out a new character. If you're not a hack the characters will be fully-formed, requiring different speech patterns. Steve is a nerd but not a hack.

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Alfa158

    You beat me to it, alfa158.

  46. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:

    In Minneapolis, the official rules of engagement as set out in the police department handbook is that officers are allowed to use neck restraints.

    (I don’t mean to imply that a neck restraint caused Floyd’s death; the evidence we have indicates it did not.)

    5-311 USE OF NECK RESTRAINTS AND CHOKE HOLDS (10/16/02) (08/17/07) (10/01/10) (04/16/12)

    DEFINITIONS I.

    Choke Hold: Deadly force option. Defined as applying direct pressure on a person’s trachea or airway (front of the neck), blocking or obstructing the airway (04/16/12)

    Neck Restraint: Non-deadly force option. Defined as compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway (front of the neck). Only sworn employees who have received training from the MPD Training Unit are authorized to use neck restraints. The MPD authorizes two types of neck restraints: Conscious Neck Restraint and Unconscious Neck Restraint. (04/16/12)

    Conscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with intent to control, and not to render the subject unconscious, by only applying light to moderate pressure. (04/16/12)

    Unconscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with the intention of rendering the person unconscious by applying adequate pressure. (04/16/12)

    PROCEDURES/REGULATIONS II.

    The Conscious Neck Restraint may be used against a subject who is actively resisting. (04/16/12)

    The Unconscious Neck Restraint shall only be applied in the following circumstances: (04/16/12)

    On a subject who is exhibiting active aggression, or;
    For life saving purposes, or;
    On a subject who is exhibiting active resistance in order to gain control of the subject; and if lesser attempts at control have been or would likely be ineffective.

    Neck restraints shall not be used against subjects who are passively resisting as defined by policy. (04/16/12)

    After Care Guidelines (04/16/12)

    After a neck restraint or choke hold has been used on a subject, sworn MPD employees shall keep them under close observation until they are released to medical or other law enforcement personnel.
    An officer who has used a neck restraint or choke hold shall inform individuals accepting custody of the subject, that the technique was used on the subject.

    http://www.minneapolismn.gov/police/policy/mpdpolicy_5-300_5-300

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Anonymous

    ThreeSixSeven, thank you for the information...all that you posted goes out the window when the Governor and mayor call what we saw a "murder" and the cop a "murderer." They both would have choked on the word "alleged."

  47. The LAPD has also done good a job (at least so far) of keeping the rioters in check.

    I don’t have much to compare it against, but the on-scene commander in downtown LA last night was amazing. He was in the helicopter directing ground cops all night… mostly keeping cool, making on the fly tactical and strategic decisions. All lived streamed by a pothead GenXer who combined his police scanner with the local newsfeed, while MSNBC drug out racial griefers all night to spew their same tired garbage.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Lugash

    That's a perfect example of real news vs. narrative propaganda. At his point, real news is only available from freelancers, amateurs and certain corners of the internet. MSM is 24/7 narrative propaganda.

    Replies: @Lugash

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Lugash

    "All lived [sic] streamed by a pothead GenXer who combined his police scanner with the local newsfeed [sic]"

    My scanner is on the fritz and I wouldn't know how to do what you describe. However, in theory, all big city police chiefs should look like dead white men Chuck Heston and Chuck Connors. Since white people are no longer able to produce these variants we should resort to science and grave-digging.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @Peter D. Bredon
    @Lugash

    LA is the West Coast home port of the Phoenician Navy (headquartered in NYC) so they too get gold-standard police protection.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  48. @Lugash
    https://twitter.com/JasonLemon/status/1266529475757510656

    Replies: @peterike, @The Alarmist, @Technite78, @Buffalo Joe, @Federalist, @Farenheit, @anon, @Rouetheday

    Did she call him a Mick prick?

  49. @Lugash
    https://twitter.com/JasonLemon/status/1266529475757510656

    Replies: @peterike, @The Alarmist, @Technite78, @Buffalo Joe, @Federalist, @Farenheit, @anon, @Rouetheday

    Why is it on these “damning” videos, they’re always edited so you can’t get any situational context?

    I wonder… 😉

  50. @Lugash
    https://twitter.com/JasonLemon/status/1266529475757510656

    Replies: @peterike, @The Alarmist, @Technite78, @Buffalo Joe, @Federalist, @Farenheit, @anon, @Rouetheday

    Lug, they edited the footage…the cop was singing a rap song to lighten his day and he got to the lyrics “…stupid fuckin bitch” as he assisted to her a soft landing.

  51. @Kevin Silver
    The more destructive of the protests are being carried out by white supremacists and right wingers

    Republican leaders caused this mess with their inability to govern and listen to their colleagues across the aisle. Voters will respond accordingly

    Exacerbating this violence is access to firearms and hateful rhetoric coming from conservative media

    The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms, stringent hate speech laws, and liberalizing immigration and movement so that white men will have trouble organizing this sort of destruction

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @22pp22, @AnotherDad, @TBA, @Joe Stalin, @Alfa158, @Hypnotoad666, @Currahee, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar, @Yancey Ward, @Hibernian, @White Enthusiast

    I hope this is satire, as such it’s pretty good.

  52. @AnotherDad
    @ben tillman


    There are 1,114 Kevin Cohens on LinekdIn:
     
    Awesome!

    My Jewish friends have always had names like Matthew, Murray, David, Michael, Jerry, Sam.

    Kevin? That's a name from my people. What the heck is happening to Jews? Assimildämmerung.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Alden

    Assimildämmerung

    Nice!

  53. @Kevin Silver
    The more destructive of the protests are being carried out by white supremacists and right wingers

    Republican leaders caused this mess with their inability to govern and listen to their colleagues across the aisle. Voters will respond accordingly

    Exacerbating this violence is access to firearms and hateful rhetoric coming from conservative media

    The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms, stringent hate speech laws, and liberalizing immigration and movement so that white men will have trouble organizing this sort of destruction

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @22pp22, @AnotherDad, @TBA, @Joe Stalin, @Alfa158, @Hypnotoad666, @Currahee, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar, @Yancey Ward, @Hibernian, @White Enthusiast

    Thank you, comrade. Your correct analysis has lifted the veil of ignorance from my eyes.

  54. @NOTA
    There's a fascinating thing happening here. Plenty of
    decent people are rightly upset that the cops killed this poor guy, and they broadly support some kind of protest, and then this somehow makes them unable to criticize looting and arson. It's like they can't hold it in their brains that you can be against police brutality, arson, and looting at the same time.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Chrisnonymous, @Altai, @Hypnotoad666

    It’s like they can’t hold it in their brains that you can be against police brutality, arson, and looting at the same time.

    Yeah, but that problem exists on our side too.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  55. @ben tillman
    @AnotherDad

    There are 1,114 Kevin Cohens on LinekdIn:

    https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/all/?keywords=kevin%20cohen&origin=GLOBAL_SEARCH_HEADER

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @TontoBubbaGoldstein

    There’s my cousin, Kevin “Two Dogs F**king” Cohen, for one…

  56. @Lugash
    https://twitter.com/JasonLemon/status/1266529475757510656

    Replies: @peterike, @The Alarmist, @Technite78, @Buffalo Joe, @Federalist, @Farenheit, @anon, @Rouetheday

    NYPD officer just called a female protester a “stupid fucking bitch”

    He’s not wrong.

  57. Here in Los Angeles, the media orthodoxy is that the LAPD was racistly brutal in the old days, but now all is reformed so everything is fine. In reality, Bill Bratton as LAPD chief introduced a brilliant scheme to SoCal. Sam Quinones explained the breakthrough idea a dozen years ago in L.A. was that instead of arresting “gang kingpins” — in reality, you don’t have to be a Criminal Mastermind to run a gang, so there are plenty of replacements for every “kingpin” arrested — you arrest the entire membership of the gang all at once, including foot soldiers, then send them off to federal prisons in the Midwest where they can’t communicate on visiting day with their girlfriends and moms.

    I don’t think this was particular to Bratton. The use of “Kingpin” as descriptor was to echo the stated purposes of the 1994 VCCLEA (famously, HRC used the term “Super Predators”) when bringing cases against drug trafficking networks.

    I recall John Timoney (who must have been Chuck Connors’ brother) circa 2001 making very similar remarks, but in that case proposing that there are roughly 2,500 persons known to law enforcement to be involved in a vastly disproportionate share of serious crimes in the Philadelphia metro area.

    In either event, the idea is as you stated to take a career criminal and give him a 30 year term of imprisonment and disburse him away from his criminal network. You’re essentially incarcerating career criminals for the duration of their prime criminal years. Although you may say that it looks a bit like Whack-a-mole, there is an attrition effect of serial prosecutions. As was the conventional wisdom in prosecuting the La Cosa Nostra – you went from very smart men in the 1960s who controlled hundred million dollar Union pension plans to flamboyant Italian jerks with guns hijacking trucks full of Kmart ladies’ polyester sweat pants over the course of a few decades.

    • Replies: @Dmon
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Real reason the riots don't have legs in LA is because Mexicans dislike blacks and SJW antifa-types equally. Alot of this country's problems could be solved simply by outsourcing big city law enforcement to Mexican cartels. The Chicago PD could teach them a few of the legalistic tricks (beat the suspect with phone books, not rubber hoses, because phone books don't leave welts - doesn't work anymore but I'm sure they've come up with some modern techniques), and they're good to go.

  58. @ben tillman
    @AnotherDad

    There are 1,114 Kevin Cohens on LinekdIn:

    https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/all/?keywords=kevin%20cohen&origin=GLOBAL_SEARCH_HEADER

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @TontoBubbaGoldstein

    There is my cousin, Kevin “Two Dogs F**king” Cohen, for one…

  59. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:
    @NOTA
    There's a fascinating thing happening here. Plenty of
    decent people are rightly upset that the cops killed this poor guy, and they broadly support some kind of protest, and then this somehow makes them unable to criticize looting and arson. It's like they can't hold it in their brains that you can be against police brutality, arson, and looting at the same time.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Chrisnonymous, @Altai, @Hypnotoad666

    This is what has been going on vis-a-vis immigration and multiculturalism from the start. It also applies increasingly to Israel in the US.

    The arguments aren’t made in a universal way. They’re made from the perspective of certain groups interests. Another holocaust would be bad for Jews. Not fully ethnically cleansing the indigenous population of Palestine would also be bad for Jews. Therefore if you don’t think the latter is moral you must be against the Jews and consider the former to also be moral. Therefore Jeremy Corbyn is an anti-Semite!

    And therefore if you oppose the riots then really you must oppose the stated grievance of the rioters and support police brutality towards black suspects. And now you understand how we reached this politically log jam that is stopping the necessary political realignments from happening.

  60. @J.Ross
    Evil racist past:
    https://postimg.cc/nXLn2wBB
    Vibrant diverse present:
    https://postimg.cc/mzZxZPjM
    (Hugo and Edgar are of course the awards for the respective genres.)

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @Mike_from_SGV, @Dieter Kief, @TomSchmidt, @Anonymous, @John Pepple

    Note that it wasn’t looted.

  61. @Lugash
    https://twitter.com/JasonLemon/status/1266529475757510656

    Replies: @peterike, @The Alarmist, @Technite78, @Buffalo Joe, @Federalist, @Farenheit, @anon, @Rouetheday

    Looks like someone watched one Waif-fu movie too many!

  62. @NOTA
    There's a fascinating thing happening here. Plenty of
    decent people are rightly upset that the cops killed this poor guy, and they broadly support some kind of protest, and then this somehow makes them unable to criticize looting and arson. It's like they can't hold it in their brains that you can be against police brutality, arson, and looting at the same time.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Chrisnonymous, @Altai, @Hypnotoad666

    Plenty of decent people are rightly upset that the cops killed this poor guy

    Part of the problem is how everyone is falling over themselves to virtue signal about how supposedly shocking and egregious the police action was. If you think about it calmly, it’s not particularly shocking at all.

    Floyd was a known dirt-bag felon who had just passed a counterfeit bill. He was wasted to the point he could barely stand. My guess is he shot up with heroin in his car shortly before the cops got there. The cops calmly arrested him. He fought back in his wasted stupor and they restrained him on the ground. Chauvin had his knee on the perp’s neck for under three minutes.

    I am no doctor, but your trachea is on the front of your throat, whereas the knee was on the muscles on the side of the neck. During that time, Floyd was talking and said “I can’t breath.” Which actually proves he could breathe.

    I am not sure if that knee hold was police protocol, but it probably was. It’s certainly not a move that is designed to choke someone out. (If you’ve ever watched an MMA fight, no one can get choked out with that kind of hold).

    Of course they ultimately arrested Chauvin to appease the mob. But the county prosecutor had already said “there was evidence” against arresting him.

    I will bet dollars to donuts that Floyd ended up dying from whatever massive drug overdose was in his system and that having a knee on the side of his neck for three minutes had nothing to do with it. I practically guarantee it.

    But the lying media has been race baiting with their “unarmed black man killed by white cop” cliche for so long that no one is brave enough to say: Uhm, wait a minute . . . are we sure that’s what happened?

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Hypnotoad666

    See my comment to AnotherDad.

    The knee on the neck, according to the BBC, is standard police procedure.

    Replies: @res

    , @Malenfant
    @Hypnotoad666


    Floyd was a known dirt-bag felon who had just passed a counterfeit bill.
     
    He worked the door at a dance club. It comes with the territory.

    When I was in college, I spent four nights a week working the door at one of the biggest clubs in one of America's biggest cities. You get a lot of counterfeit bills. It's dark. Sometimes you don't notice. I've seen some bills where, looking back, I'm still not sure if they were counterfeit or not. And, surely, I've unintentionally passed counterfeit money myself.

    It's not that big a deal.

    Replies: @Father Coughlin, @Alden, @AnonAnon

    , @gabriel alberton
    @Hypnotoad666


    Chauvin had his knee on the perp’s neck for under three minutes.
     

    I will bet dollars to donuts that Floyd ended up dying from whatever massive drug overdose was in his system and that having a knee on the side of his neck for three minutes
     
    You say under three minutes. The criminal complaint says over eight minutes. Someone's wrong. Or lying.

    Here's video. Still up as of this reply.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thfNLVvve4A

    So, under three minutes or over eight minutes?

    Before betting dollars to donuts, one should be reasonably sure of what they're betting against.

    Replies: @Ed, @Hypnotoad666

    , @J.Ross
    @Hypnotoad666

    I was past tired of these idiotic protestations of one-sided solidarity when I heard right wing radio say next to nothing about the violence and, except for the normally pretty useless Mike Gallagher, the wheelchair, in favor of a misguided outreach attempt. You have a limited amount of time, and using it for gushing over outgroup strangers, even if they really have suffered, to the exclusion of objectively greater cases of suffering in your own group, is sick. Here it is also stupid because they're doing it to try to calm down people who are not really upset, just wild, and highly unlikely to listen. It is also completely conceding the propaganda frame. Right-wing outrage over the mistreatment of this burglar (who branched out into forgery) fits itself spider-like completely within the enemy framing and thus convinces the low-information normie (who "feels" things to be true or false based on the initial setup) that there really must be a national issue of racist police brutality.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Anonymous
    @Hypnotoad666

    Excellent post, overall.

    You discredit yourself to an extent by calling Floyd a “dirt bag.” He may have been a good guy trying to turn his life around. But in either case, it evinces a lack of empathy and you don’t have the knowledge to make such a claim.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @AnonAnon

  63. Hey guys, long time reader here, yuk yuk no seriously, you’re going to be seeing a lot of me now. I’ll be totally predictable and snarky while pretending to be serious and concerned. For sure from now until November! At least that’s what my team leader says, but maybe with an extension to January! If you thought TD has a lot of names, just wait! I’ll do better! It’ll be fun!

    • LOL: Harry Baldwin
  64. @AnotherDad
    @NOTA


    There’s a fascinating thing happening here. Plenty of
    decent people are rightly upset that the cops killed this poor guy, and they broadly support some kind of protest, and then this somehow makes them unable to criticize looting and arson. It’s like they can’t hold it in their brains that you can be against police brutality, arson, and looting at the same time.
     
    Yep. But for the record:

    -- This guy isn't a "poor guy", he's useless criminal garbage--read an outline of his home invasion conviction. If you were a dictator culling America of garbage, he'd be in the garbage pile.

    -- This isn't even in the top 100, or even top 1000 of the really ridiculous police brutality abuses. It was unnecessary. Just guessing--one of these power-tripping cops, over-baking it. (Or as some suggest, personal beef.) And not realizing the guy really was in poor enough health he was going to heart attack on him.

    Heck this isn't even the most egregious police brutality in Minneapolis in recent years. That's the Somali diversity hire just whipping out his gun shooting right across his partner, killing a completely innocent and harmless white woman.

    I missed those riots.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @TomSchmidt, @Jay Fink

    This guy isn’t a “poor guy”, he’s useless criminal garbage–read an outline of his home invasion conviction. If you were a dictator culling America of garbage, he’d be in the garbage pile.

    If he ran a business, he would be “nonessential” in other words.

    This isn’t even in the top 100, or even top 1000 of the really ridiculous police brutality abuses. It was unnecessary.

    Let’s see what the evidence says. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52857334

    How did George Floyd die?
    The full report by the county medical examiner has not been released, but the complaint states that the post-mortem examination did not find evidence of “traumatic asphyxia or strangulation”.

    Hmmm. Was this police brutality, or was he executing a standard act from the training manual?

    The Minnesota police handbook states that officers trained on how to compress a detainee’s neck without applying direct pressure to the airway can use a knee under its use-of-force policy. This is regarded as a non-deadly-force option.

    We have gradually reduced discretion from police, in favor of rule books. If police are called on a domestic violence charge, they MUST arrest. This cop kept his knee on a man’s neck, an apparently recommended action, after he had stopped moving. You know and I know that that is wrong. The book doesn’t, and the cop was following the book.

    I expect him to get off. I’d like to see that rule of engagement changed.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @West Reanimator
    @TomSchmidt

    This is remarkable that only from Britain do we get ANY relevant facts in the case. The American media is just nonstop emoting and race baiting.

    When the officer eventually gets acquitted, or pleads down to some lesser charge, what will happen next? we will see a second round of even worse riots, and the people breaching the peace, the ones with the cameras and microphones, will never be held responsible.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    , @Cortes
    @TomSchmidt

    “The book doesn’t, and the cop was following the book”

    No doubt the now ex-cop can point to the recent disclosure of a prominent black political leader enjoining his underlings to do things “by the book.”

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

  65. @Lugash

    The LAPD has also done good a job (at least so far) of keeping the rioters in check.
     
    I don't have much to compare it against, but the on-scene commander in downtown LA last night was amazing. He was in the helicopter directing ground cops all night... mostly keeping cool, making on the fly tactical and strategic decisions. All lived streamed by a pothead GenXer who combined his police scanner with the local newsfeed, while MSNBC drug out racial griefers all night to spew their same tired garbage.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @SunBakedSuburb, @Peter D. Bredon

    That’s a perfect example of real news vs. narrative propaganda. At his point, real news is only available from freelancers, amateurs and certain corners of the internet. MSM is 24/7 narrative propaganda.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    @Hypnotoad666

    Yep. MSM figured out that they need to send people into the field to screen what is actually happening with the Narrative. In Ferguson it took them over three days before they got people in the field, by which time it was over.

    Edit: Boy Rabbi and Crying Latina NGO Boss are inspiring me with confidence on Minnesota's future.

  66. @Hypnotoad666
    @NOTA


    Plenty of decent people are rightly upset that the cops killed this poor guy
     
    Part of the problem is how everyone is falling over themselves to virtue signal about how supposedly shocking and egregious the police action was. If you think about it calmly, it's not particularly shocking at all.

    Floyd was a known dirt-bag felon who had just passed a counterfeit bill. He was wasted to the point he could barely stand. My guess is he shot up with heroin in his car shortly before the cops got there. The cops calmly arrested him. He fought back in his wasted stupor and they restrained him on the ground. Chauvin had his knee on the perp's neck for under three minutes.

    I am no doctor, but your trachea is on the front of your throat, whereas the knee was on the muscles on the side of the neck. During that time, Floyd was talking and said "I can't breath." Which actually proves he could breathe.

    I am not sure if that knee hold was police protocol, but it probably was. It's certainly not a move that is designed to choke someone out. (If you've ever watched an MMA fight, no one can get choked out with that kind of hold).

    Of course they ultimately arrested Chauvin to appease the mob. But the county prosecutor had already said "there was evidence" against arresting him.

    I will bet dollars to donuts that Floyd ended up dying from whatever massive drug overdose was in his system and that having a knee on the side of his neck for three minutes had nothing to do with it. I practically guarantee it.

    But the lying media has been race baiting with their "unarmed black man killed by white cop" cliche for so long that no one is brave enough to say: Uhm, wait a minute . . . are we sure that's what happened?

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Malenfant, @gabriel alberton, @J.Ross, @Anonymous

    See my comment to AnotherDad.

    The knee on the neck, according to the BBC, is standard police procedure.

    • Thanks: Hypnotoad666
    • Replies: @res
    @TomSchmidt

    Or this comment which links to the relevant MPD policy.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/social-distancing-in-minneapolis/#comment-3926749
    http://www.minneapolismn.gov/police/policy/mpdpolicy_5-300_5-300

  67. @Lugash
    Fuck the NYPD. Bunch of goons.

    https://twitter.com/ZeeshanAleem/status/1266562022398926848

    Replies: @Aeronerauk, @AnonAnon

    nah fuck the people throwing cement at them. Tell you what Lugash, you live in a city where the police arent the most feared gang, and I’ll live in NYC.

    Perfect? no, but quality of life means something.

  68. “Women Reportedly Being Kidnapped and Pulled Into Cars During Minneapolis Riot, Random Drivers Being Shot At.”

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/women-reportedly-kidnapped-pulled-cars-minneapolis-riot-random-drivers-shot/?ff_source=Twitter&ff_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&ff_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

    Yeah, it’s escalating.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Anon

    Some of them have moved away from burning down black neighbourhoods to white neighbourhoods.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZgXZdhdOtI

    This was in a residential street in Uptown which is mostly white and from the looks of the houses maybe upper middle class or above.

    So far it's just burning barricades, but it only takes a few guys for this to escalate. Note that one team building the barricades (The one that looks more unhinged) is made up of white antifa.

  69. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Well, I guess the riots have solved the unemployment problem caused by the depression caused by the lockdown caused by the virus-panic caused by Trump-hatred. We're not going to "make America great again," we're just going to have to rebuild it from the rubble.

    Think of the millions and millions of construction jobs that will be given to laid-off journalists and free-lance fact-checkers.

    Oh, who are we kidding, we're just going to hire more immigrants.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Alexander Turok

    Yeah, that’s why Russia, China, and pretty much everywhere else shut things down: Trump-hatred.

    Idiot.

  70. @Redneck farmer
    Important People live in certain coastal cities, so different rules apply to them.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    I’ve lived in many coastal cities. I have never been Important. I would like to be though. I like power.

  71. @Hypnotoad666
    @Lugash

    That's a perfect example of real news vs. narrative propaganda. At his point, real news is only available from freelancers, amateurs and certain corners of the internet. MSM is 24/7 narrative propaganda.

    Replies: @Lugash

    Yep. MSM figured out that they need to send people into the field to screen what is actually happening with the Narrative. In Ferguson it took them over three days before they got people in the field, by which time it was over.

    Edit: Boy Rabbi and Crying Latina NGO Boss are inspiring me with confidence on Minnesota’s future.

  72. @Alfa158
    @Kevin Silver

    I still haven’t figured out if this is Tiny Duck refraining from the deliberate misspelling that he used to signal it was a spoof, or a new troll. It just isn’t as funny without the misspellings and the standard reference to White women craving men of color.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Jus' Sayin'...

    Steve’s trying out a new character. If you’re not a hack the characters will be fully-formed, requiring different speech patterns. Steve is a nerd but not a hack.

  73. I am chuckling, remember the Occupy Wall Street movement that was crushed pretty fast with little hesitation. That energy was instead channeled into this nonsense which poses no significant threat to the elites. Nothing to see here, unless you are one of the unfortunates who has live there.

  74. @Lugash

    The LAPD has also done good a job (at least so far) of keeping the rioters in check.
     
    I don't have much to compare it against, but the on-scene commander in downtown LA last night was amazing. He was in the helicopter directing ground cops all night... mostly keeping cool, making on the fly tactical and strategic decisions. All lived streamed by a pothead GenXer who combined his police scanner with the local newsfeed, while MSNBC drug out racial griefers all night to spew their same tired garbage.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @SunBakedSuburb, @Peter D. Bredon

    “All lived [sic] streamed by a pothead GenXer who combined his police scanner with the local newsfeed [sic]”

    My scanner is on the fritz and I wouldn’t know how to do what you describe. However, in theory, all big city police chiefs should look like dead white men Chuck Heston and Chuck Connors. Since white people are no longer able to produce these variants we should resort to science and grave-digging.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @SunBakedSuburb

    I'm honestly surprised that people are able to pick up much on police scanners anymore.

    Police departments converting to encrypted, digital communications has been huge business for the past 10 or 15 years.

  75. res says:
    @Known Fact
    @Gopher Refugee

    Reagan supposedly called off his troops there to spare good ol' Walter Mondale the embarassment of losing his home state

    Replies: @res

    Reagan supposedly called off his troops there to spare good ol’ Walter Mondale the embarassment of losing his home state

    Any reference for that? It seems to conflict with this.
    https://www.nytimes.com/1984/11/05/us/reagan-campaign-makes-last-minute-stop-in-mondale-s-turf.html

    Privately, Reagan aides were calling the last-minute Minnesota stop an attempt to deliver a coup de gr^ace to the Mondale campaign. They have been saying, in near-bragging tones, that only Minnesota and Iowa were seriously resisting their attempt at a landslide victory.

  76. Bugg says:

    NYPD has an institutional memory. With Deblasio in charge, Job 1 is everyone going home at the end of tour. Those cops are looking up because of “airmail” ; scumbags throwing things off buildings to injure cops. Early 1990s an NYPD Housing cop named John Williamson was hit square in the head by a full compound bucket thrown off a Harlem rooftop, killing him instantly. Became friendly with the detective who carried the case, haunted him forever. Happens when you deal with criminal law, you sometimes see some grisly crime scene photos, but that’s one I never wanted to see and never did.

  77. anon[218] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lugash
    https://twitter.com/JasonLemon/status/1266529475757510656

    Replies: @peterike, @The Alarmist, @Technite78, @Buffalo Joe, @Federalist, @Farenheit, @anon, @Rouetheday

    Part of the problem with internet videos of arrests and riots is that ordinary people are not used to the reality of fighting. Fighting is ugly business – you hit, grab, kick, use any weapon handy, choke, etc.
    Police have to fight resisting suspects, and they have to fight rioters. The police look brutal doing it, because fighting IS brutal. Professional fight training doesn’t make you more gentle with your tactics, it just makes you more efficiently brutal.
    We expect the police to somehow wave a magic wand and subdue a criminal. It doesn’t work that way. You have to beat the shit out of him and put your knee on his neck to shut him up.
    As for the cop hitting a rioter with his car door – I say nice shot!
    As for the cop throwing the female rioter to the ground and calling her a bitch – maybe she’ll think twice next time before rioting.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @anon

    TwoOneEight, I told my children, over and over and over, you do not want to fight. Fighting hurts. But, if you are in a situation where some one wants to hurt you, kill them. Seriously, fight for your life. Dad will provide bail and an attorney. Not kidding.

  78. @TomSchmidt
    @Hypnotoad666

    See my comment to AnotherDad.

    The knee on the neck, according to the BBC, is standard police procedure.

    Replies: @res

  79. Church fighting coronavirus restrictions was burned down by arsonists. 10 bucks says it was Antifa.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mississippi-church-fighting-coronavirus-restrictions-burned-ground-n1212646

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    @Anon

    Probably just a temporarily non-euphoric atheist. There are plenty of young people in the Bible belt, particularly young men, who are very annoyed with all the Bible-thumping, in a way unconnected to far-Left views. And now, if it's becoming not merely an annoyance but a threat to public health, I could definitely see one of them figuring that if the church isn't going to respect the law and the police aren't going to do anything about it, that he'll take action against the threat himself.

  80. How much of the difference is due to NYPD still having a lot of legacy Irish-American cops vs. midWest PDs being staffed with nice whiter people?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @M_Young

    A - The Irish aren't nice.

    B- The Irish aren't quite white.

    Thanks for revealing yourself.

  81. @Anonymous
    @hhsiii

    I don't think many people are going to vote for the current President as a protest vote against the system.

    Trump's fanbase here seems to take it for granted that Trump is incapable of doing much and thus that they are still the "anti-establishment." Most average Joes make the opposite mistake, they overestimate how important the President is.

    Replies: @VinnyVette, @hhsiii

    The president has a lot of symbolic value IE; alot of whites voted Obama who didn’t vote for him for his policies “we are no longer a racist country”… Trump although not very effective policy wise is still a big middle finger to the MSM, deep state, and sufferers of TDS!

  82. Anon[855] • Disclaimer says:

    Detroit police are actually arresting people. But the really interesting thing is that the police there say the majority of those they arrested are not from Detroit. Definitely vandalism and looting by paid outside agitators. Soros and Antifa are at it. We need to arrest all of Antifa and lock them up under RICO statutes, the way they did in LA for criminal gangs.

    https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/05/30/61-people-arrested-in-downtown-detroit-george-floyd-protest-police-say/

  83. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Lugash

    "All lived [sic] streamed by a pothead GenXer who combined his police scanner with the local newsfeed [sic]"

    My scanner is on the fritz and I wouldn't know how to do what you describe. However, in theory, all big city police chiefs should look like dead white men Chuck Heston and Chuck Connors. Since white people are no longer able to produce these variants we should resort to science and grave-digging.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    I’m honestly surprised that people are able to pick up much on police scanners anymore.

    Police departments converting to encrypted, digital communications has been huge business for the past 10 or 15 years.

  84. @Anonymous
    Here's some NYC fun..

    She's all up in social media. Was out "protesting," then she got slung by a NY cop who wasn't having it. Here's her view of the initial contact:

    https://twitter.com/zayer_dounya/status/1266581597760831489

    Here's what happened next:

    https://twitter.com/JasonLemon/status/1266529475757510656

    And here's the "stupid bitch" being a stupid bitch in the hospital:

    https://twitter.com/zayer_dounya/status/1266595055927607298

    Oh, and the cops assessment of her didn't go far enough. While she indeed is a "stupid bitch," she's also a complete degenerate skank on Youtube and elsewhere.

    Conclusion: Dad's matter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-DS3lI9lP0

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Oh, and the cops assessment of her didn’t go far enough. While she indeed is a “stupid bitch,” she’s also a complete degenerate skank on Youtube and elsewhere.

    She has a svelte figure and looks good with her hair straight.

    She and her friend could do a lot of good if they started up an OnlyFans channel.

  85. Yo, Sailer. Are pantifa goons sporting mouth diapers a GOOD thing now? I know you were a staunch anti-makser way back in the day like 9 months ago.

    Holla back, fool!

  86. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Maybe one major operative factor in all this is too many, not all, black people are stupid and horrible? And the undermine and erase the minority of intelligent black people’s best laid plans?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1266804726588375040

  87. @128
    Maybe you guys need to rework your narrative that young white guys do not go rioting and looting, since this really seems to contradict that? But then Hong Kong also seems to contradict the narrative that young East Asian dindunuffins do not go rioting, arson, and randomly attacking people as well.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Hibernian

    OneTwoEight, do not conflate Hong Kong, a City State with a long history of self governance and freedoms, now with the knee of China on their neck, struggling, protesting, resisting to regain their status with some punks,hoodlums and scum burning and rioting because it feels so good.

  88. @Anonymous
    @hhsiii

    I don't think many people are going to vote for the current President as a protest vote against the system.

    Trump's fanbase here seems to take it for granted that Trump is incapable of doing much and thus that they are still the "anti-establishment." Most average Joes make the opposite mistake, they overestimate how important the President is.

    Replies: @VinnyVette, @hhsiii

    Oh, I get that. I meant that a lot of people won’t vote for Biden, knowing full well it may help Trump, even if they don’t support Trump.

  89. @Kevin Silver
    The more destructive of the protests are being carried out by white supremacists and right wingers

    Republican leaders caused this mess with their inability to govern and listen to their colleagues across the aisle. Voters will respond accordingly

    Exacerbating this violence is access to firearms and hateful rhetoric coming from conservative media

    The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms, stringent hate speech laws, and liberalizing immigration and movement so that white men will have trouble organizing this sort of destruction

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @22pp22, @AnotherDad, @TBA, @Joe Stalin, @Alfa158, @Hypnotoad666, @Currahee, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar, @Yancey Ward, @Hibernian, @White Enthusiast

    Sounds like a Tiny Duck clone. Wait a minute…maybe…nah, couldn’t be.

  90. @Anonymous
    In Minneapolis, the official rules of engagement as set out in the police department handbook is that officers are allowed to use neck restraints.

    (I don’t mean to imply that a neck restraint caused Floyd’s death; the evidence we have indicates it did not.)

    5-311 USE OF NECK RESTRAINTS AND CHOKE HOLDS (10/16/02) (08/17/07) (10/01/10) (04/16/12)

    DEFINITIONS I.

    Choke Hold: Deadly force option. Defined as applying direct pressure on a person’s trachea or airway (front of the neck), blocking or obstructing the airway (04/16/12)

    Neck Restraint: Non-deadly force option. Defined as compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway (front of the neck). Only sworn employees who have received training from the MPD Training Unit are authorized to use neck restraints. The MPD authorizes two types of neck restraints: Conscious Neck Restraint and Unconscious Neck Restraint. (04/16/12)

    Conscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with intent to control, and not to render the subject unconscious, by only applying light to moderate pressure. (04/16/12)

    Unconscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with the intention of rendering the person unconscious by applying adequate pressure. (04/16/12)

    PROCEDURES/REGULATIONS II.

    The Conscious Neck Restraint may be used against a subject who is actively resisting. (04/16/12)

    The Unconscious Neck Restraint shall only be applied in the following circumstances: (04/16/12)

    On a subject who is exhibiting active aggression, or;
    For life saving purposes, or;
    On a subject who is exhibiting active resistance in order to gain control of the subject; and if lesser attempts at control have been or would likely be ineffective.

    Neck restraints shall not be used against subjects who are passively resisting as defined by policy. (04/16/12)

    After Care Guidelines (04/16/12)

    After a neck restraint or choke hold has been used on a subject, sworn MPD employees shall keep them under close observation until they are released to medical or other law enforcement personnel.
    An officer who has used a neck restraint or choke hold shall inform individuals accepting custody of the subject, that the technique was used on the subject.

    http://www.minneapolismn.gov/police/policy/mpdpolicy_5-300_5-300

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    ThreeSixSeven, thank you for the information…all that you posted goes out the window when the Governor and mayor call what we saw a “murder” and the cop a “murderer.” They both would have choked on the word “alleged.”

  91. @Father Coughlin
    New York cops protect a critical mass of Jews. Both important ones and "unimportant" ones that are still important because they have families, often with multiple children. That's why the rules of engagement are different than every other city in America.

    At last count, the NYPD made 72 arrests, the Minneapolis PD ... none.

    Replies: @Prester John

    “At last count, the NYPD made 72 arrests,”

    As I write this, wouldn’t be surprised if lawyers recruited and paid by the SPLC are fanning out across the country.

  92. @TomSchmidt
    @AnotherDad

    This guy isn’t a “poor guy”, he’s useless criminal garbage–read an outline of his home invasion conviction. If you were a dictator culling America of garbage, he’d be in the garbage pile.

    If he ran a business, he would be "nonessential" in other words.

    This isn’t even in the top 100, or even top 1000 of the really ridiculous police brutality abuses. It was unnecessary.

    Let's see what the evidence says. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52857334


    How did George Floyd die?
    The full report by the county medical examiner has not been released, but the complaint states that the post-mortem examination did not find evidence of "traumatic asphyxia or strangulation".
     
    Hmmm. Was this police brutality, or was he executing a standard act from the training manual?

    The Minnesota police handbook states that officers trained on how to compress a detainee's neck without applying direct pressure to the airway can use a knee under its use-of-force policy. This is regarded as a non-deadly-force option.
     
    We have gradually reduced discretion from police, in favor of rule books. If police are called on a domestic violence charge, they MUST arrest. This cop kept his knee on a man's neck, an apparently recommended action, after he had stopped moving. You know and I know that that is wrong. The book doesn't, and the cop was following the book.

    I expect him to get off. I'd like to see that rule of engagement changed.

    Replies: @West Reanimator, @Cortes

    This is remarkable that only from Britain do we get ANY relevant facts in the case. The American media is just nonstop emoting and race baiting.

    When the officer eventually gets acquitted, or pleads down to some lesser charge, what will happen next? we will see a second round of even worse riots, and the people breaching the peace, the ones with the cameras and microphones, will never be held responsible.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @West Reanimator

    When he gets acquitted at the state level, the Feds bring civil rights charges.

    Did you ever wonder where the idea of kneeling on someone's neck came from?

  93. Steve deliberately allowed that first troll post. why? what’s the point of posting that Steve?

    it’s now simple nonsense that Steve poses as a moderator for ‘serious’ discussion of these issues when he immediately passes along all the troll posts while holding the rest of our posts in moderation stasis.

  94. Dmon says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Here in Los Angeles, the media orthodoxy is that the LAPD was racistly brutal in the old days, but now all is reformed so everything is fine. In reality, Bill Bratton as LAPD chief introduced a brilliant scheme to SoCal. Sam Quinones explained the breakthrough idea a dozen years ago in L.A. was that instead of arresting “gang kingpins” — in reality, you don’t have to be a Criminal Mastermind to run a gang, so there are plenty of replacements for every “kingpin” arrested — you arrest the entire membership of the gang all at once, including foot soldiers, then send them off to federal prisons in the Midwest where they can’t communicate on visiting day with their girlfriends and moms.
     
    I don't think this was particular to Bratton. The use of "Kingpin" as descriptor was to echo the stated purposes of the 1994 VCCLEA (famously, HRC used the term "Super Predators") when bringing cases against drug trafficking networks.

    I recall John Timoney (who must have been Chuck Connors' brother) circa 2001 making very similar remarks, but in that case proposing that there are roughly 2,500 persons known to law enforcement to be involved in a vastly disproportionate share of serious crimes in the Philadelphia metro area.

    In either event, the idea is as you stated to take a career criminal and give him a 30 year term of imprisonment and disburse him away from his criminal network. You're essentially incarcerating career criminals for the duration of their prime criminal years. Although you may say that it looks a bit like Whack-a-mole, there is an attrition effect of serial prosecutions. As was the conventional wisdom in prosecuting the La Cosa Nostra - you went from very smart men in the 1960s who controlled hundred million dollar Union pension plans to flamboyant Italian jerks with guns hijacking trucks full of Kmart ladies' polyester sweat pants over the course of a few decades.

    Replies: @Dmon

    Real reason the riots don’t have legs in LA is because Mexicans dislike blacks and SJW antifa-types equally. Alot of this country’s problems could be solved simply by outsourcing big city law enforcement to Mexican cartels. The Chicago PD could teach them a few of the legalistic tricks (beat the suspect with phone books, not rubber hoses, because phone books don’t leave welts – doesn’t work anymore but I’m sure they’ve come up with some modern techniques), and they’re good to go.

    • Thanks: Father Coughlin
  95. meanwhile SpaceX has launched 2 astronauts to the Space Station. flight control was about as white as a KKK rally, i suppose they would say.

    it’s like the 1960s never ended. in many ways, they didn’t.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @prime noticer

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7961194ba87aa249dc4b85087feffde1c61e40e3fd6a5a36f0770cf9e163ddbc.jpg

  96. @Kevin Silver
    The more destructive of the protests are being carried out by white supremacists and right wingers

    Republican leaders caused this mess with their inability to govern and listen to their colleagues across the aisle. Voters will respond accordingly

    Exacerbating this violence is access to firearms and hateful rhetoric coming from conservative media

    The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms, stringent hate speech laws, and liberalizing immigration and movement so that white men will have trouble organizing this sort of destruction

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @22pp22, @AnotherDad, @TBA, @Joe Stalin, @Alfa158, @Hypnotoad666, @Currahee, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar, @Yancey Ward, @Hibernian, @White Enthusiast

    We really need a “This is Tiny” button.

  97. “Do NOT trust white people!” And this guy should know. After all, he’s white himself.
    https://twitter.com/FinklesteinEzra/status/1266802125654327296

  98. @anon
    @Lugash

    Part of the problem with internet videos of arrests and riots is that ordinary people are not used to the reality of fighting. Fighting is ugly business - you hit, grab, kick, use any weapon handy, choke, etc.
    Police have to fight resisting suspects, and they have to fight rioters. The police look brutal doing it, because fighting IS brutal. Professional fight training doesn't make you more gentle with your tactics, it just makes you more efficiently brutal.
    We expect the police to somehow wave a magic wand and subdue a criminal. It doesn't work that way. You have to beat the shit out of him and put your knee on his neck to shut him up.
    As for the cop hitting a rioter with his car door - I say nice shot!
    As for the cop throwing the female rioter to the ground and calling her a bitch - maybe she'll think twice next time before rioting.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    TwoOneEight, I told my children, over and over and over, you do not want to fight. Fighting hurts. But, if you are in a situation where some one wants to hurt you, kill them. Seriously, fight for your life. Dad will provide bail and an attorney. Not kidding.

  99. @AnotherDad
    @NOTA


    There’s a fascinating thing happening here. Plenty of
    decent people are rightly upset that the cops killed this poor guy, and they broadly support some kind of protest, and then this somehow makes them unable to criticize looting and arson. It’s like they can’t hold it in their brains that you can be against police brutality, arson, and looting at the same time.
     
    Yep. But for the record:

    -- This guy isn't a "poor guy", he's useless criminal garbage--read an outline of his home invasion conviction. If you were a dictator culling America of garbage, he'd be in the garbage pile.

    -- This isn't even in the top 100, or even top 1000 of the really ridiculous police brutality abuses. It was unnecessary. Just guessing--one of these power-tripping cops, over-baking it. (Or as some suggest, personal beef.) And not realizing the guy really was in poor enough health he was going to heart attack on him.

    Heck this isn't even the most egregious police brutality in Minneapolis in recent years. That's the Somali diversity hire just whipping out his gun shooting right across his partner, killing a completely innocent and harmless white woman.

    I missed those riots.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @TomSchmidt, @Jay Fink

    Thanks for that information. Now that I know he had a history of home invasion I feel less compassion towards him.

  100. @Hypnotoad666
    @NOTA


    Plenty of decent people are rightly upset that the cops killed this poor guy
     
    Part of the problem is how everyone is falling over themselves to virtue signal about how supposedly shocking and egregious the police action was. If you think about it calmly, it's not particularly shocking at all.

    Floyd was a known dirt-bag felon who had just passed a counterfeit bill. He was wasted to the point he could barely stand. My guess is he shot up with heroin in his car shortly before the cops got there. The cops calmly arrested him. He fought back in his wasted stupor and they restrained him on the ground. Chauvin had his knee on the perp's neck for under three minutes.

    I am no doctor, but your trachea is on the front of your throat, whereas the knee was on the muscles on the side of the neck. During that time, Floyd was talking and said "I can't breath." Which actually proves he could breathe.

    I am not sure if that knee hold was police protocol, but it probably was. It's certainly not a move that is designed to choke someone out. (If you've ever watched an MMA fight, no one can get choked out with that kind of hold).

    Of course they ultimately arrested Chauvin to appease the mob. But the county prosecutor had already said "there was evidence" against arresting him.

    I will bet dollars to donuts that Floyd ended up dying from whatever massive drug overdose was in his system and that having a knee on the side of his neck for three minutes had nothing to do with it. I practically guarantee it.

    But the lying media has been race baiting with their "unarmed black man killed by white cop" cliche for so long that no one is brave enough to say: Uhm, wait a minute . . . are we sure that's what happened?

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Malenfant, @gabriel alberton, @J.Ross, @Anonymous

    Floyd was a known dirt-bag felon who had just passed a counterfeit bill.

    He worked the door at a dance club. It comes with the territory.

    When I was in college, I spent four nights a week working the door at one of the biggest clubs in one of America’s biggest cities. You get a lot of counterfeit bills. It’s dark. Sometimes you don’t notice. I’ve seen some bills where, looking back, I’m still not sure if they were counterfeit or not. And, surely, I’ve unintentionally passed counterfeit money myself.

    It’s not that big a deal.

    • Replies: @Father Coughlin
    @Malenfant

    His conviction is grisly stuff (which is being hidden in search results and kept off Wiki apparently). He and some cohorts dressed up in uniforms of the water department and gained admittance to a lady's house. They stuck a gun in her ribs and robbed her. He pled to five years.

    If I'm "lying" ... let me know.

    Replies: @res, @Malenfant

    , @Alden
    @Malenfant

    So why did he have one? Was he stealing the money he collected for his employer the dance club?

    The procedure with counterfeit bills is to search the person. If he has more than one he’s held and the secret service is notified. The SS tries to trace back where that passer got the bills then through the chain to the maker of the counterfeit bills

    All he had to do was give the cigarettes back, leave and try to pass it somewhere else. But no, he had to act the big bad black bully. He’s just another worthless Mike Brown.

    A cop honked his horn st Mike and told him to get on the sidewalk. So Mike and his friend charged into the police car. Like, Floyd, Mike had his moment of glory. But they’re both dead

    , @AnonAnon
    @Malenfant

    I’ve been treasurer in various school PTAs for a number of years - I’ve probably personally counted at least a quarter million in small bills through the years - and in that time I’ve gotten one counterfeit bill. The counting machine spit it out and the bank teller could tell it was bad the second she touched it. I asked to feel it - it was super soft, like it had been washed a bunch and it definitely felt noticeably different than most bills. I got it in a stack of money from our school carnival so never touched it myself before then. The teller said it was unusual that it was a ten dollar bill since most counterfeits are twenties. We had to fill out a bunch of federal paperwork about it, too.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  101. @Joe Stalin
    @Kevin Silver

    "The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms"

    But first, we got to REGISTER them first... how we going to do that?

    Aha! We'll call that "The Gun Show Loophole"... all the communists at NPR will eat that up and spread it around, like the NYT, Chicago Tribune, Washington Post...


    The late Nelson T. ‘‘ Pete’’ Shields, the founding chair of Handgun Control, Inc., put it this way:

    The first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition— except for the military, police, licensed security guards,
    licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors— totally illegal (quoted in Richard Harris, ‘‘A Reporter at Large: Handguns,’’ New Yorker, July 26, 1976).

    https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/cato-handbook-policymakers/2001/9/hb107-23.pdf
     

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The late Nelson T. ‘‘ Pete’’ Shields

    They left out the “III”.

    And, for that matter, the “IV”:

    Nelson “Nick” Shields was shot to death by “J.C.” Simon. His murder was one of a series which took place in San Francisco between 1973 and 1974. The murders were known as the “Zebra” killings. Simon is serving a life sentence in a California prison. Nick’s father, Nelson Shields III, became an anti-gun lobbyist in Washington as a result of his son’s death. The senior Mr. Shields passed away in 1993.
    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/40502426/nelson-t_-shields

    Pete got his wish. Just in his ancestral Britain, not here.

    Or was he an Irish Shields? What is it with all these non-Peter Shields men going by “Pete”? Is it after the Canadiens star? But the Nelson line was Delawegian, like Joe Biden. Not hockey country.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Reg Cæsar

    Shields seems to be a not particularly Irish sounding name possessed almost exclusively by Irish people. Like Powers, Buckley, and Carroll.

  102. @Alfa158
    @Kevin Silver

    I still haven’t figured out if this is Tiny Duck refraining from the deliberate misspelling that he used to signal it was a spoof, or a new troll. It just isn’t as funny without the misspellings and the standard reference to White women craving men of color.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Jus' Sayin'...

    You beat me to it, alfa158.

  103. @Anon
    Church fighting coronavirus restrictions was burned down by arsonists. 10 bucks says it was Antifa.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mississippi-church-fighting-coronavirus-restrictions-burned-ground-n1212646

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

    Probably just a temporarily non-euphoric atheist. There are plenty of young people in the Bible belt, particularly young men, who are very annoyed with all the Bible-thumping, in a way unconnected to far-Left views. And now, if it’s becoming not merely an annoyance but a threat to public health, I could definitely see one of them figuring that if the church isn’t going to respect the law and the police aren’t going to do anything about it, that he’ll take action against the threat himself.

  104. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:
    @Anon
    "Women Reportedly Being Kidnapped and Pulled Into Cars During Minneapolis Riot, Random Drivers Being Shot At."

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/women-reportedly-kidnapped-pulled-cars-minneapolis-riot-random-drivers-shot/?ff_source=Twitter&ff_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&ff_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

    Yeah, it's escalating.

    Replies: @Altai

    Some of them have moved away from burning down black neighbourhoods to white neighbourhoods.

    This was in a residential street in Uptown which is mostly white and from the looks of the houses maybe upper middle class or above.

    So far it’s just burning barricades, but it only takes a few guys for this to escalate. Note that one team building the barricades (The one that looks more unhinged) is made up of white antifa.

  105. “Every Person Arrested In Saint Paul Last Night Was From Out Of State, Mayor Says.”

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/05/30/every-person-arrested-in-saint-paul-last-night-was-from-out-of-state-mayor-says/#519b624c264d

    Definite leftist Antifa plot.

    • Replies: @Father Coughlin
    @Anon

    They're definitely not right-wingers from out-of-state. Or there would 100-paragraph RICO indictments filed before the sun rose the next morning.

  106. @Malcolm X-Lax
    CNN is now fanning the flames of the outsiders/white supremacy/russian narrative re the violence, giving it some oxygen. Blue checkmark twitter is already all over it. We're watching the creation of a false narrative in real time. It's a difficult sell to average people because it's hard to justify the violence as righteous rage and then claim white supremacists and russians are behind it. I always wonder, do the "normies" get what's going on? Hopefully Tucker will explain it to them tonight.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    “Hopefully Tucker will explain it to them tonight.”

    Monday. If there’s still a country by then.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    @TomSchmidt

    I know. By the time I realized that, it was too late to edit my comment. But good point at the end there. though it hasn't really been a country in anything other than name only in 3 or 4 decades.

  107. @Haole
    Minneapolis was all white and had not riots in the 1960s. I visited relatives there 20 years ago, no minorities to speak of. The mayor and even the police have no experience dealing with riots and minorities.

    Replies: @Carol, @Anonymous

    So what milieu did Prince arise from then?

    I think there were minorities there.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Carol

    Chris Rock used to have a joke about Minnesota: Ain't no blacks there except Kirby Puckett and Prince! Unfortunately, it wasn't even true then. My sister lived in Eden Prairie about 20 or so years ago and there were lots of Somalians running around in muslim garb with their weirdly similar faces. Most were on welfare and did not seem at all appreciative.

    , @Haole
    @Carol

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Minnesota#Ancestry

    1990 95 percent white, 1960 probably higher.

  108. Protesting George Floyd by robbing Louis Vuitton:

  109. @Lugash

    The LAPD has also done good a job (at least so far) of keeping the rioters in check.
     
    I don't have much to compare it against, but the on-scene commander in downtown LA last night was amazing. He was in the helicopter directing ground cops all night... mostly keeping cool, making on the fly tactical and strategic decisions. All lived streamed by a pothead GenXer who combined his police scanner with the local newsfeed, while MSNBC drug out racial griefers all night to spew their same tired garbage.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @SunBakedSuburb, @Peter D. Bredon

    LA is the West Coast home port of the Phoenician Navy (headquartered in NYC) so they too get gold-standard police protection.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Peter D. Bredon


    LA is the West Coast home port of the Phoenician Navy (headquartered in NYC) so they too get gold-standard police protection.
     
    What does this mean?
  110. @Hypnotoad666
    @NOTA


    Plenty of decent people are rightly upset that the cops killed this poor guy
     
    Part of the problem is how everyone is falling over themselves to virtue signal about how supposedly shocking and egregious the police action was. If you think about it calmly, it's not particularly shocking at all.

    Floyd was a known dirt-bag felon who had just passed a counterfeit bill. He was wasted to the point he could barely stand. My guess is he shot up with heroin in his car shortly before the cops got there. The cops calmly arrested him. He fought back in his wasted stupor and they restrained him on the ground. Chauvin had his knee on the perp's neck for under three minutes.

    I am no doctor, but your trachea is on the front of your throat, whereas the knee was on the muscles on the side of the neck. During that time, Floyd was talking and said "I can't breath." Which actually proves he could breathe.

    I am not sure if that knee hold was police protocol, but it probably was. It's certainly not a move that is designed to choke someone out. (If you've ever watched an MMA fight, no one can get choked out with that kind of hold).

    Of course they ultimately arrested Chauvin to appease the mob. But the county prosecutor had already said "there was evidence" against arresting him.

    I will bet dollars to donuts that Floyd ended up dying from whatever massive drug overdose was in his system and that having a knee on the side of his neck for three minutes had nothing to do with it. I practically guarantee it.

    But the lying media has been race baiting with their "unarmed black man killed by white cop" cliche for so long that no one is brave enough to say: Uhm, wait a minute . . . are we sure that's what happened?

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Malenfant, @gabriel alberton, @J.Ross, @Anonymous

    Chauvin had his knee on the perp’s neck for under three minutes.

    I will bet dollars to donuts that Floyd ended up dying from whatever massive drug overdose was in his system and that having a knee on the side of his neck for three minutes

    You say under three minutes. The criminal complaint says over eight minutes. Someone’s wrong. Or lying.

    Here’s video. Still up as of this reply.

    So, under three minutes or over eight minutes?

    Before betting dollars to donuts, one should be reasonably sure of what they’re betting against.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @gabriel alberton

    Cop was in the wrong. He's screwed, although the autopsy might get him a better deal. He should plea. The crowd exasperated things and he'd probably be alive if they weren't there. I guess this is a legacy of Ferguson and BLM.

    Replies: @gabriel alberton, @Anonymous

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @gabriel alberton

    Ok. It was apparently 8 minutes with the knee on the neck. I had looked at something saying that "Two minutes and 53 seconds of this was after Mr. Floyd was non-responsive." So, mistakes were made . . . correction issued.

    But still . . . most of the time, Floyd is clearly talking with the officers and is obviously able to breathe regardless of the knee. The criminal complaint which just came out is pretty informative, actually, although it is deliberately vague on what drug he was on and the precise cause of death:


    Officers Kueng and Lane stood Mr. Floyd up and attempted to walk Mr. Floyd to their squad car (MPD 320) at 8:14 p.m. Mr. Floyd stiffened up, fell to the ground, and told the officers he was claustrophobic.

    MPD Officers Derek Chauvin (the defendant) and Tou Thoa then arrived in a separate squad car.

    The officers made several attempts to get Mr. Floyd in the backseat of squad 320 from the driver's side. Mr. Floyd did not voluntarily get in the car and struggled with the officers by intentionally falling down, saying he was not going in the car, and refusing to stand still. Mr. Floyd is over six feet tall and weighs more than 200 pounds.

    While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe. The defendant went to the passenger side and tried to get Mr. Floyd into the car from that side and Lane and Kueng assisted.

    The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng held Mr. Floyd's back and Lane held his legs. The defendant placed his left knee in the area of Mr. Floyd's head and neck. Mr. Floyd said, "I can't breathe" multiple times and repeatedly said, "Mama" and "please," as well. The defendant and the other two officers stayed in their positions.

    The officers said, "You are talking fine" to Mr. Floyd as he continued to move back and forth. Lane asked, "should we roll him on his side?" and the defendant said, "No, staying put where we got him." Officer Lane said, "I am worried about excited delirium or whatever." The defendant said, "That's why we have him on his stomach." None of the three officers moved from their positions.

    BWC video shows Mr. Floyd continue to move and breathe. At 8:24:24, Mr. Floyd stopped moving. At 8:25:31 the video appears to show Mr. Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak. Lane said, "want to roll him on his side." Kueng checked Mr. Floyd's right wrist for a pulse and said, "I couldn't find one." None of the officers moved from their positions.

    At 8:27:24, the defendant removed his knee from Mr. Floyd's neck. An ambulance and emergency medical personnel arrived, the officers placed Mr. Floyd on a gurney, and the ambulance left the scene. Mr. Floyd was pronounced dead at Hennepin County Medical Center.

    The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd's autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.
     

    To be guilty of murder they would have to show that Chauvin went outside his lawful authority, used excessive force, and that the excessive force was the proximate cause of Floyd's death.

    But in the Complaint itself: (a) There is no allegation that Chauvin did anything wrong in using a knee hold on Floyd's neck; (b) There is no allegation that Chauvin knew or should have known that putting his knee on Floyd's neck would kill him; and (c) There is no allegation that Chauvin putting his knee on Floyd's neck actually did kill him.

    Instead, (reading between the weasel-worded lines), Floyd apparently had a heart attack because he had a weak heart and consumed a lot of drugs. The Complaint (again in weaselly manner) says the officers' "restraint" of Floyd could have contributed to this (presumed) heart attack. But the "restraint" is just the lawful arrest, not the (also lawful) knee-hold to the neck.

    Unless the final autopsy is radically different the cop did nothing wrong, except cause a really ugly viral video that made it look like he was choking Floyd, when he actually wasn't. Floyd died tragically due to drugs and a heart attack. Perhaps exacerbated by the need to restrain him as a result of his crime and resisting arrest.

    No one will politically accept this result, however. So a way will be found to send Chauvin to jail and preserve the narrative of "unarmed black man murdered by white cop."

    P.S., I'm sure Chauvin wishes he had let Officers Kueng or Tou Thoa do the knee-hold, in which case no one would have ever heard of Floyd.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon, @gabriel alberton

  111. @Gopher Refugee
    Will Trump be the first Republican to win MN since Nixon?

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Known Fact, @Father Coughlin, @Alden

    In 2016, Evan McMullin’s Never-Trump conservative, Mormon-infused candidacy pulled 53,076 votes. That is greater than the margin Hillary won by, 44765. He’s not on the ballot this time.

    • Replies: @res
    @Father Coughlin

    Do you really think there won't be some third party candidate there to siphon anti-Biden votes away from Trump? It is early still.

    , @Father Coughlin
    @Father Coughlin

    Who???

    MN beat the national average for GOP voting for the first time since 1952.

    More relevant FACTS about Minnesota's recent voting history:

    In 2016.Minnesota voted 6.2% less for the Democrat candidate compared to the 2012 presidential election, a much larger shift than the nation at large. Two counties gave Trump over 70% of the vote, making this the first election since 1968 either major party candidate won a county with over 70%, with Trump also being the first Republican since Dwight D. Eisenhower to do so since 1956.

    Trump was also the first Republican to receive a majority of votes in Itasca County since Herbert Hoover in 1928; the first to win Swift County since Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1952; and the first to win Mower County since Richard Nixon against John F. Kennedy in 1960.

  112. @Anon
    "Every Person Arrested In Saint Paul Last Night Was From Out Of State, Mayor Says."

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/05/30/every-person-arrested-in-saint-paul-last-night-was-from-out-of-state-mayor-says/#519b624c264d

    Definite leftist Antifa plot.

    Replies: @Father Coughlin

    They’re definitely not right-wingers from out-of-state. Or there would 100-paragraph RICO indictments filed before the sun rose the next morning.

  113. @TomSchmidt
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    "Hopefully Tucker will explain it to them tonight."

    Monday. If there's still a country by then.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax

    I know. By the time I realized that, it was too late to edit my comment. But good point at the end there. though it hasn’t really been a country in anything other than name only in 3 or 4 decades.

    • Agree: JMcG
  114. @Malenfant
    @Hypnotoad666


    Floyd was a known dirt-bag felon who had just passed a counterfeit bill.
     
    He worked the door at a dance club. It comes with the territory.

    When I was in college, I spent four nights a week working the door at one of the biggest clubs in one of America's biggest cities. You get a lot of counterfeit bills. It's dark. Sometimes you don't notice. I've seen some bills where, looking back, I'm still not sure if they were counterfeit or not. And, surely, I've unintentionally passed counterfeit money myself.

    It's not that big a deal.

    Replies: @Father Coughlin, @Alden, @AnonAnon

    His conviction is grisly stuff (which is being hidden in search results and kept off Wiki apparently). He and some cohorts dressed up in uniforms of the water department and gained admittance to a lady’s house. They stuck a gun in her ribs and robbed her. He pled to five years.

    If I’m “lying” … let me know.

    • Replies: @res
    @Father Coughlin

    More details:
    https://nypost.com/2020/05/28/george-floyd-was-out-of-work-during-coronavirus-before-he-was-killed/


    In 2007, Floyd was charged with armed robbery in a home invasion in Houston, in which another man posed as a water department worker in an attempt to gain access to a woman’s residence, according to court documents.

    When the woman realized he wasn’t actually a water department worker, she tried to close the door. That’s when five other men got out of a car that had just pulled up and forced their way inside.

    According to charging documents, the largest man in the group, whom the victim identified as Floyd, “forced his way inside the residence, placed a pistol against the complainant’s abdomen, and forced her into the living room area of the residence.”

    Floyd in 2009 was sentenced to five years in prison as part of a plea deal in the case.
     

    Replies: @Ed

    , @Malenfant
    @Father Coughlin

    How does that have anything to do with what I wrote? And who said anything about "lying"?

    All I'm saying is that if you work at a popular nightclub, and especially if you work the door or the bar, you're going to see, and receive, a lot of counterfeit money. Some of these fake bills are really good; in the dark, it can be impossible to distinguish them from real money. So for somebody in Floyd's line of work, passing along a fake $5 or $10 -- very plausibly inadvertently -- just isn't a big deal. I'm pretty sure that I've inadvertently done it before, and I'm no hardened criminal.

    Frankly, I don't see how Floyd's alleged crime justified such rough treatment. Had the cops managed to bring him down to the station, they almost certainly would have let him off with a warning. (Criminal charges would require that the state prove that Floyd had criminal intent beyond a reasonable doubt -- i.e. that he knew that he was passing a fake bill -- which is a high bar to clear.)

    The robbery is another matter entirely. It was grisly, and he should have received more than five years.

    Replies: @anon

  115. @Carol
    @Haole

    So what milieu did Prince arise from then?

    I think there were minorities there.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax, @Haole

    Chris Rock used to have a joke about Minnesota: Ain’t no blacks there except Kirby Puckett and Prince! Unfortunately, it wasn’t even true then. My sister lived in Eden Prairie about 20 or so years ago and there were lots of Somalians running around in muslim garb with their weirdly similar faces. Most were on welfare and did not seem at all appreciative.

  116. I write this from my very pleasant back yard of my nice house in a nice quiet neighborhood in a big city in the middle of the country. None of this effects me. There were protests last night downtown but eventually quashed by the cops. The black neighborhoods have huge block parties where folks get shot, but no one really cares.

    One thing I have learned from Tetlock and our host: things tend to stay the same. Most of the neighbors are armed to the teeth and no one wants anything but our quiet life.

  117. About fifteen minutes ago, I heard loud sirens, numerous car horns, and a lot of people shouting seemingly right outside my house. I rushed outside, fearing the worst … but it turned out to be a kid’s birthday party (!) across the street. Evidently the parents rented a fire truck (!) for the occasion. It was making multiple loops around the house, followed by several cars festooned with balloons. The kids were hooping and hollering and having a good time.

    This was the second birthday “procession” I’d seen since the advent of the Coronapocalypse.

  118. @Dieter Kief
    @J.Ross

    Didn't Hitler do that too?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Not really. People under Hitler targeted specific books, because they analyzed and rejected those specific books as abhorrent to their ideology. Evil but intelligent. I’m not sure that a BLM type would have an ideological issue with Spider Robinson. This was the action of an animal or a robot. They’re almost not responsible, they’re just lighting things to light them.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @J.Ross

    Agreed. You make a reasonable distinction. Sigh.

  119. @Hypnotoad666
    @NOTA


    Plenty of decent people are rightly upset that the cops killed this poor guy
     
    Part of the problem is how everyone is falling over themselves to virtue signal about how supposedly shocking and egregious the police action was. If you think about it calmly, it's not particularly shocking at all.

    Floyd was a known dirt-bag felon who had just passed a counterfeit bill. He was wasted to the point he could barely stand. My guess is he shot up with heroin in his car shortly before the cops got there. The cops calmly arrested him. He fought back in his wasted stupor and they restrained him on the ground. Chauvin had his knee on the perp's neck for under three minutes.

    I am no doctor, but your trachea is on the front of your throat, whereas the knee was on the muscles on the side of the neck. During that time, Floyd was talking and said "I can't breath." Which actually proves he could breathe.

    I am not sure if that knee hold was police protocol, but it probably was. It's certainly not a move that is designed to choke someone out. (If you've ever watched an MMA fight, no one can get choked out with that kind of hold).

    Of course they ultimately arrested Chauvin to appease the mob. But the county prosecutor had already said "there was evidence" against arresting him.

    I will bet dollars to donuts that Floyd ended up dying from whatever massive drug overdose was in his system and that having a knee on the side of his neck for three minutes had nothing to do with it. I practically guarantee it.

    But the lying media has been race baiting with their "unarmed black man killed by white cop" cliche for so long that no one is brave enough to say: Uhm, wait a minute . . . are we sure that's what happened?

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Malenfant, @gabriel alberton, @J.Ross, @Anonymous

    I was past tired of these idiotic protestations of one-sided solidarity when I heard right wing radio say next to nothing about the violence and, except for the normally pretty useless Mike Gallagher, the wheelchair, in favor of a misguided outreach attempt. You have a limited amount of time, and using it for gushing over outgroup strangers, even if they really have suffered, to the exclusion of objectively greater cases of suffering in your own group, is sick. Here it is also stupid because they’re doing it to try to calm down people who are not really upset, just wild, and highly unlikely to listen. It is also completely conceding the propaganda frame. Right-wing outrage over the mistreatment of this burglar (who branched out into forgery) fits itself spider-like completely within the enemy framing and thus convinces the low-information normie (who “feels” things to be true or false based on the initial setup) that there really must be a national issue of racist police brutality.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @J.Ross

    Yours is a profound comment. It could help us to have a bit more explanation though.


    Here it is also stupid because they’re doing it to try to calm down people who are not really upset, just wild, and highly unlikely to listen.
     
    Could you elaborate on why you think they are not really upset, but are just wild?

    It is also completely conceding the propaganda frame. Right-wing outrage over the mistreatment of this burglar (who branched out into forgery) fits itself spider-like completely within the enemy framing and thus convinces the low-information normie (who “feels” things to be true or false based on the initial setup) that there really must be a national issue of racist police brutality.
     
    Most importantly, could you elaborate on the possible frames in this situation? What should the “Right-wing” (which, as an aside, if you’ll excuse me from observing, is itself a self-sabotaging term or frame) instead be saying?

    Replies: @J.Ross

  120. @peterike
    Not to be outdone, New York City "protesters" have rolled Dog Lady revenge into their protests:

    After starting in Foley Square at 4 p.m., Manhattan protesters rallied at Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance’s office nearby, to call on the DA to charge Amy Cooper, the dog-walker who called the cops on a black man in Central Park.
     
    Given that NYC government is either supine or virulently anti-white, I expect Ms. Cooper will see some form of "charge" laid against her, though they might need to get creative.

    Meanwhile, elected officials add fuel to the fire:

    “My name is Jumaane Williams and I am not OK,” the city’s Public Advocate said at that protest. “I am a proponent of non-violence … but sometimes you have to afflict the comfortable.”

    I have to say I admire this level of chicanery. "I'm definitely against violent, but THIS time...."

    Given that the Public Advocate salary is $184,800 a year, Jumaane is probably pretty comfortable himself (and being a professional black grifter, no doubt he has plenty of side grifts). The job -- less than useless, as the Public Advocate is simply someone that promotes trouble -- seemed to start out as a Jewish sinecure and was Jewish held for 15 years. Then it transitioned through deBlasio (a perfect job for that idiot), and now it's black, and likely it will stay that way for a little longer. My bet is the next Public Advocate will be a shrill Asian woman. But Jumaane has a few more years to go.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    I expect Ms. Cooper will see some form of “charge” laid against her, though they might need to get creative.

    NYC got very creative when they sentenced two Proud Boys to four years last year for participating in a minor street fight in which their Antifa opponents were not injured, refused to press charges, and refused even to identify themselves.

  121. @Carol
    @Haole

    So what milieu did Prince arise from then?

    I think there were minorities there.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax, @Haole

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Minnesota#Ancestry

    1990 95 percent white, 1960 probably higher.

  122. The Capital of the World where the Important People

    What? I clicked on this wondering whether it referred to London or Los Angeles, only to find out it’s Brooklyn. What a disappointment.

    The only important person in NYC left for DC three years ago. Scarlett Johansson is not important. Woody Allen may have been once.

  123. @Lugash
    https://twitter.com/JasonLemon/status/1266529475757510656

    Replies: @peterike, @The Alarmist, @Technite78, @Buffalo Joe, @Federalist, @Farenheit, @anon, @Rouetheday

    This woman bears a strong resemblance to one I had an unrequited crush on years ago when I was a clueless liberal. Her mother was a red head of Irish descent while her father was of Egyptian extraction. She definitely favored her father more. Anyway, I happened to make the acquaintance of a fellow who had attended university with her and also had an unrequited crush on her. He had gotten to know her better than I did and he related how she had confided in him that she had been beaten and raped by a previous live-in boyfriend. She said some male friends later confronted him and gave him a beatdown. This poor, earnest sap seemed to believe this story, but it sounded to me like some cynical, calculated BS she’d concocted to scare him away.

  124. @Father Coughlin
    @Gopher Refugee

    In 2016, Evan McMullin's Never-Trump conservative, Mormon-infused candidacy pulled 53,076 votes. That is greater than the margin Hillary won by, 44765. He's not on the ballot this time.

    Replies: @res, @Father Coughlin

    Do you really think there won’t be some third party candidate there to siphon anti-Biden votes away from Trump? It is early still.

  125. res says:
    @Father Coughlin
    @Malenfant

    His conviction is grisly stuff (which is being hidden in search results and kept off Wiki apparently). He and some cohorts dressed up in uniforms of the water department and gained admittance to a lady's house. They stuck a gun in her ribs and robbed her. He pled to five years.

    If I'm "lying" ... let me know.

    Replies: @res, @Malenfant

    More details:
    https://nypost.com/2020/05/28/george-floyd-was-out-of-work-during-coronavirus-before-he-was-killed/

    In 2007, Floyd was charged with armed robbery in a home invasion in Houston, in which another man posed as a water department worker in an attempt to gain access to a woman’s residence, according to court documents.

    When the woman realized he wasn’t actually a water department worker, she tried to close the door. That’s when five other men got out of a car that had just pulled up and forced their way inside.

    According to charging documents, the largest man in the group, whom the victim identified as Floyd, “forced his way inside the residence, placed a pistol against the complainant’s abdomen, and forced her into the living room area of the residence.”

    Floyd in 2009 was sentenced to five years in prison as part of a plea deal in the case.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @res

    For all of it's "Tough on Criminals" rep, TX issues some pretty light sentences, 5 years for a violent home invasion?

  126. @Father Coughlin
    @Gopher Refugee

    In 2016, Evan McMullin's Never-Trump conservative, Mormon-infused candidacy pulled 53,076 votes. That is greater than the margin Hillary won by, 44765. He's not on the ballot this time.

    Replies: @res, @Father Coughlin

    Who???

    MN beat the national average for GOP voting for the first time since 1952.

    More relevant FACTS about Minnesota’s recent voting history:

    In 2016.Minnesota voted 6.2% less for the Democrat candidate compared to the 2012 presidential election, a much larger shift than the nation at large. Two counties gave Trump over 70% of the vote, making this the first election since 1968 either major party candidate won a county with over 70%, with Trump also being the first Republican since Dwight D. Eisenhower to do so since 1956.

    Trump was also the first Republican to receive a majority of votes in Itasca County since Herbert Hoover in 1928; the first to win Swift County since Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1952; and the first to win Mower County since Richard Nixon against John F. Kennedy in 1960.

  127. @Kevin Silver
    The more destructive of the protests are being carried out by white supremacists and right wingers

    Republican leaders caused this mess with their inability to govern and listen to their colleagues across the aisle. Voters will respond accordingly

    Exacerbating this violence is access to firearms and hateful rhetoric coming from conservative media

    The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms, stringent hate speech laws, and liberalizing immigration and movement so that white men will have trouble organizing this sort of destruction

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @22pp22, @AnotherDad, @TBA, @Joe Stalin, @Alfa158, @Hypnotoad666, @Currahee, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar, @Yancey Ward, @Hibernian, @White Enthusiast

    Bravo! I just wish you could have worked Climate Change into the list of needed actions.

  128. @TomSchmidt
    @AnotherDad

    This guy isn’t a “poor guy”, he’s useless criminal garbage–read an outline of his home invasion conviction. If you were a dictator culling America of garbage, he’d be in the garbage pile.

    If he ran a business, he would be "nonessential" in other words.

    This isn’t even in the top 100, or even top 1000 of the really ridiculous police brutality abuses. It was unnecessary.

    Let's see what the evidence says. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52857334


    How did George Floyd die?
    The full report by the county medical examiner has not been released, but the complaint states that the post-mortem examination did not find evidence of "traumatic asphyxia or strangulation".
     
    Hmmm. Was this police brutality, or was he executing a standard act from the training manual?

    The Minnesota police handbook states that officers trained on how to compress a detainee's neck without applying direct pressure to the airway can use a knee under its use-of-force policy. This is regarded as a non-deadly-force option.
     
    We have gradually reduced discretion from police, in favor of rule books. If police are called on a domestic violence charge, they MUST arrest. This cop kept his knee on a man's neck, an apparently recommended action, after he had stopped moving. You know and I know that that is wrong. The book doesn't, and the cop was following the book.

    I expect him to get off. I'd like to see that rule of engagement changed.

    Replies: @West Reanimator, @Cortes

    “The book doesn’t, and the cop was following the book”

    No doubt the now ex-cop can point to the recent disclosure of a prominent black political leader enjoining his underlings to do things “by the book.”

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Cortes

    Lethal rhetoric, but probably unusable.

  129. @Father Coughlin
    @Malenfant

    His conviction is grisly stuff (which is being hidden in search results and kept off Wiki apparently). He and some cohorts dressed up in uniforms of the water department and gained admittance to a lady's house. They stuck a gun in her ribs and robbed her. He pled to five years.

    If I'm "lying" ... let me know.

    Replies: @res, @Malenfant

    How does that have anything to do with what I wrote? And who said anything about “lying”?

    All I’m saying is that if you work at a popular nightclub, and especially if you work the door or the bar, you’re going to see, and receive, a lot of counterfeit money. Some of these fake bills are really good; in the dark, it can be impossible to distinguish them from real money. So for somebody in Floyd’s line of work, passing along a fake $5 or $10 — very plausibly inadvertently — just isn’t a big deal. I’m pretty sure that I’ve inadvertently done it before, and I’m no hardened criminal.

    Frankly, I don’t see how Floyd’s alleged crime justified such rough treatment. Had the cops managed to bring him down to the station, they almost certainly would have let him off with a warning. (Criminal charges would require that the state prove that Floyd had criminal intent beyond a reasonable doubt — i.e. that he knew that he was passing a fake bill — which is a high bar to clear.)

    The robbery is another matter entirely. It was grisly, and he should have received more than five years.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Malenfant


    Frankly, I don’t see how Floyd’s alleged crime justified such rough treatment.
     
    You should view the video, then, and learn more.

    Had the cops managed to bring him down to the station,
     
    He tried to buy cigs with a fake $20. The store clerk called the cops and reported a man with fake money who was maybe drunk. The cops arrived and ordered Floyd into the car.

    No. Because "claustrophobia". Right. Like he didn't drive his own car to the area? Just an excuse.

    See, at this point the man was going to jail. Easy way or hard way, the future was certain. So they decided to handcuff him and he didn't want that, either. So now events have to get forceful, because he's resisting arrest. That's how he wound up on the ground with multiple cops around him, because he refused to get in the cop car.

    Letting him go? Not an option. So how would you deal with it? Over 6 feet tall, muscular, ain't getting in the car - what now? What's your plan? It's not like TV or movies, you know, when you get down on the pavement with a man who is maybe high or drunk, and he wants to get away.

    they almost certainly would have let him off with a warning. (Criminal charges would require that the state prove that Floyd had criminal intent beyond a reasonable doubt — i.e. that he knew that he was passing a fake bill — which is a high bar to clear.)

    Dude, fake money is a Federal offense. The Secret Service is often called in. Passing fake money, printing it, any of that stuff is good for up to 20 years in a Federal pen. That's how I read this:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/473

    More likely the Feds would want to know where he got it, use him as an informer. No way he'd be let go with a warning.

    But none of that matters, because way back at the beginning, Floyd refused to get in the car. He resisted arrest. No cop is gonna let that slide. So it all went downhill.

    Try watching the vid. See if you could have done something different. Open your eyes to what real cops really deal with on the real street.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Malenfant

  130. @Kevin Silver
    The more destructive of the protests are being carried out by white supremacists and right wingers

    Republican leaders caused this mess with their inability to govern and listen to their colleagues across the aisle. Voters will respond accordingly

    Exacerbating this violence is access to firearms and hateful rhetoric coming from conservative media

    The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms, stringent hate speech laws, and liberalizing immigration and movement so that white men will have trouble organizing this sort of destruction

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @22pp22, @AnotherDad, @TBA, @Joe Stalin, @Alfa158, @Hypnotoad666, @Currahee, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar, @Yancey Ward, @Hibernian, @White Enthusiast

    The more destructive of the protests are being carried out by white supremacists and right wingers

    They’re being carried out by white people who are anything but right wing. They may be big time white supremacists in their own way, like their heroes Fidel and Che.

  131. @YetAnotherAnon
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/1-351.jpg

    Replies: @Ed

    There’s a whole generation of white girls that lack street savvy and guarding their personal safety.

    • Agree: AnonAnon
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Ed

    I get the impression at least some women were being snatched off the streets.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/woman-found-dead-car-minneapolis-following-night-kidnappings-random-cars-shot-rioters

    Btw, there was a now-deleted Twitter post by someone called TotalToughScene claiming that the deceased had done porn films back in Houston (?) and with a link to a preview. Press have picked up on it.

    https://thewashingtonsentinel.com/breaking-minneapolis-suspect-george-floyd-appeared-in-porn-videos/


    "one oddity about Floyd’s life is that he appeared in a hard-core porn a few years ago. Floyd can be seen in a sex tape made by a porn outfit called “The Habib Show.” These pornographers do not make artful porn, to be sure. Indeed, they often film somewhat brutal and crass sexual encounters where the women are passed from man-to-man, slapped around, choked..."
     
  132. @128
    Maybe you guys need to rework your narrative that young white guys do not go rioting and looting, since this really seems to contradict that? But then Hong Kong also seems to contradict the narrative that young East Asian dindunuffins do not go rioting, arson, and randomly attacking people as well.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Hibernian

    Antifa has quite rightly received a lot of criticism on this site.

  133. @res
    @Father Coughlin

    More details:
    https://nypost.com/2020/05/28/george-floyd-was-out-of-work-during-coronavirus-before-he-was-killed/


    In 2007, Floyd was charged with armed robbery in a home invasion in Houston, in which another man posed as a water department worker in an attempt to gain access to a woman’s residence, according to court documents.

    When the woman realized he wasn’t actually a water department worker, she tried to close the door. That’s when five other men got out of a car that had just pulled up and forced their way inside.

    According to charging documents, the largest man in the group, whom the victim identified as Floyd, “forced his way inside the residence, placed a pistol against the complainant’s abdomen, and forced her into the living room area of the residence.”

    Floyd in 2009 was sentenced to five years in prison as part of a plea deal in the case.
     

    Replies: @Ed

    For all of it’s “Tough on Criminals” rep, TX issues some pretty light sentences, 5 years for a violent home invasion?

  134. @gabriel alberton
    @Hypnotoad666


    Chauvin had his knee on the perp’s neck for under three minutes.
     

    I will bet dollars to donuts that Floyd ended up dying from whatever massive drug overdose was in his system and that having a knee on the side of his neck for three minutes
     
    You say under three minutes. The criminal complaint says over eight minutes. Someone's wrong. Or lying.

    Here's video. Still up as of this reply.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thfNLVvve4A

    So, under three minutes or over eight minutes?

    Before betting dollars to donuts, one should be reasonably sure of what they're betting against.

    Replies: @Ed, @Hypnotoad666

    Cop was in the wrong. He’s screwed, although the autopsy might get him a better deal. He should plea. The crowd exasperated things and he’d probably be alive if they weren’t there. I guess this is a legacy of Ferguson and BLM.

    • Replies: @gabriel alberton
    @Ed

    Call me autistic, but your opinion whether the cop was right or wrong in his actions is not what interests me now. He said the cop had his knee on the man's head for three minutes or less. He said that twice. The criminal complaint says otherwise. I posted a 10 minutes video of the incident. This might be relevant regarding whether the officer was at fault for Floyd's death or not, and if yes, to what extent. Again: he said three minutes or less. Who's right and who's wrong?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon

    , @Anonymous
    @Ed


    Cop was in the wrong.
     
    No, Office Chauvin is innocent. He was trying to do his job in good faith in difficult circumstances. Floyd, who had preexisting conditions, died of a heart attack or stroke from the tense situation and the struggle.

    You and most of the rest of the country are suffering an optical illusion. Yes, Chauvin’s knee was on the side of Floyd’s neck or upper back. (Floyd was resisting arrest and MPD procedures allow allows neck restraints; although arguably this didn’t even rise to the level of a neck restraint.) But there was very little force being applied through it. If there had been and he had been cutting off air, Floyd wouldn’t have been able to speak for those 5 minutes. Most of Chauvin’s weight was elsewhere (other leg, feet, right arm).

    The illusion is generated in part by the fact that you only see one leg, and that you cannot see that Floyd is being pinned further down his body by two other officers, and that you have audio input from the bystanders telling you a particular version (which causes you to interpret the visual in a certain way), and from the media wording their coverage as if Chauvin killed Floyd through pressure on the neck. The illusion is also aided by Floyd’s repeated statements that he cannot breath, which also primes us to interpret in a certain way (but which actually indicates that he had no upper respiratory obstruction, as any EMT will tell you, but is interpreted otherwise by us observers).

    See the coroner’s report and the MPD guidelines and the other legal standards applied to police conduct.
  135. @M_Young
    How much of the difference is due to NYPD still having a lot of legacy Irish-American cops vs. midWest PDs being staffed with nice whiter people?

    Replies: @Hibernian

    A – The Irish aren’t nice.

    B- The Irish aren’t quite white.

    Thanks for revealing yourself.

  136. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    Evil racist past:
    https://postimg.cc/nXLn2wBB
    Vibrant diverse present:
    https://postimg.cc/mzZxZPjM
    (Hugo and Edgar are of course the awards for the respective genres.)

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @Mike_from_SGV, @Dieter Kief, @TomSchmidt, @Anonymous, @John Pepple

    Vibrant diverse present:

    I don’t think I fully understood just how disgusting the riots were until I saw that photo of the bookshop in flames. Truly a stomach-churning sight.

    I would give a lot to know the racial makeup of the mob that torched it. Blacks typically have little use for books (see Chris Rock on the subject), so there was nothing for them to loot. They could have simply moved on to something more worth their while and spared the shop.

    If white rioters torched it, that makes it even worse: they knew the value of those books.

    Books = civilisation. Savages.

  137. @Gopher Refugee
    Will Trump be the first Republican to win MN since Nixon?

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Known Fact, @Father Coughlin, @Alden

    One can but hope. I lost my hope that presidents would ever be anything but anti White during the Johnson Nixon years.

    But I do enjoy the liberal weeping and wailing when a republican wins.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Alden


    One can but hope. I lost my hope that presidents would ever be anything but anti White during the Johnson Nixon years.
     
    Was Nixon anti-White? He seems like the most pro-American president of the last 50 years, other than Trump.
  138. @Reg Cæsar
    @Joe Stalin


    The late Nelson T. ‘‘ Pete’’ Shields
     
    They left out the "III".

    And, for that matter, the "IV":


    Nelson "Nick" Shields was shot to death by "J.C." Simon. His murder was one of a series which took place in San Francisco between 1973 and 1974. The murders were known as the "Zebra" killings. Simon is serving a life sentence in a California prison. Nick's father, Nelson Shields III, became an anti-gun lobbyist in Washington as a result of his son's death. The senior Mr. Shields passed away in 1993.
    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/40502426/nelson-t_-shields
     
    Pete got his wish. Just in his ancestral Britain, not here.

    Or was he an Irish Shields? What is it with all these non-Peter Shields men going by "Pete"? Is it after the Canadiens star? But the Nelson line was Delawegian, like Joe Biden. Not hockey country.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Shields seems to be a not particularly Irish sounding name possessed almost exclusively by Irish people. Like Powers, Buckley, and Carroll.

  139. @AnotherDad
    @ben tillman


    There are 1,114 Kevin Cohens on LinekdIn:
     
    Awesome!

    My Jewish friends have always had names like Matthew, Murray, David, Michael, Jerry, Sam.

    Kevin? That's a name from my people. What the heck is happening to Jews? Assimildämmerung.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Alden

    It’s a generational things. Your age group was named by their greatest generation parents. The Murrays and Davids names their kids Brittany, Trey and Dylan for both girls and boys.

  140. @Malenfant
    @Hypnotoad666


    Floyd was a known dirt-bag felon who had just passed a counterfeit bill.
     
    He worked the door at a dance club. It comes with the territory.

    When I was in college, I spent four nights a week working the door at one of the biggest clubs in one of America's biggest cities. You get a lot of counterfeit bills. It's dark. Sometimes you don't notice. I've seen some bills where, looking back, I'm still not sure if they were counterfeit or not. And, surely, I've unintentionally passed counterfeit money myself.

    It's not that big a deal.

    Replies: @Father Coughlin, @Alden, @AnonAnon

    So why did he have one? Was he stealing the money he collected for his employer the dance club?

    The procedure with counterfeit bills is to search the person. If he has more than one he’s held and the secret service is notified. The SS tries to trace back where that passer got the bills then through the chain to the maker of the counterfeit bills

    All he had to do was give the cigarettes back, leave and try to pass it somewhere else. But no, he had to act the big bad black bully. He’s just another worthless Mike Brown.

    A cop honked his horn st Mike and told him to get on the sidewalk. So Mike and his friend charged into the police car. Like, Floyd, Mike had his moment of glory. But they’re both dead

  141. Anonymous[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666
    @NOTA


    Plenty of decent people are rightly upset that the cops killed this poor guy
     
    Part of the problem is how everyone is falling over themselves to virtue signal about how supposedly shocking and egregious the police action was. If you think about it calmly, it's not particularly shocking at all.

    Floyd was a known dirt-bag felon who had just passed a counterfeit bill. He was wasted to the point he could barely stand. My guess is he shot up with heroin in his car shortly before the cops got there. The cops calmly arrested him. He fought back in his wasted stupor and they restrained him on the ground. Chauvin had his knee on the perp's neck for under three minutes.

    I am no doctor, but your trachea is on the front of your throat, whereas the knee was on the muscles on the side of the neck. During that time, Floyd was talking and said "I can't breath." Which actually proves he could breathe.

    I am not sure if that knee hold was police protocol, but it probably was. It's certainly not a move that is designed to choke someone out. (If you've ever watched an MMA fight, no one can get choked out with that kind of hold).

    Of course they ultimately arrested Chauvin to appease the mob. But the county prosecutor had already said "there was evidence" against arresting him.

    I will bet dollars to donuts that Floyd ended up dying from whatever massive drug overdose was in his system and that having a knee on the side of his neck for three minutes had nothing to do with it. I practically guarantee it.

    But the lying media has been race baiting with their "unarmed black man killed by white cop" cliche for so long that no one is brave enough to say: Uhm, wait a minute . . . are we sure that's what happened?

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Malenfant, @gabriel alberton, @J.Ross, @Anonymous

    Excellent post, overall.

    You discredit yourself to an extent by calling Floyd a “dirt bag.” He may have been a good guy trying to turn his life around. But in either case, it evinces a lack of empathy and you don’t have the knowledge to make such a claim.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Anonymous

    "Dirt bag" may have been a tad harsh.

    Maybe he really was "turning his life around." When you start out doing violent home invasions, merely doing drugs and trafficking counterfeit money is a step in the right direction.

    I guess I am mainly reacting against the lockstep MSM narrative, which has predictably kicked in to canonize Floyd (as a proxy for all blacks) and demonize Chauvin (as a proxy for all whites, or at least white cops). They dig up pictures from Floyd's yearbook (not his mug shots). Get statements from his mother (not his former victims), and talk about how he loved kittens and rainbows, or whatever.

    On the other hand, they only demonize Chauvin, saying he had other complaints against him, his wife is divorcing him, etc. Never mind that Floyd was a criminal and Chauvin was law enforcement doing his job.

    It would be an entirely legit perspective to say that everything that happened before is irrelevant to the fateful events. But that presumption only works in one direction. Indeed, at this point I haven't heard a single voice (including on the conservative or law enforcement side), who is willing to even tentatively venture out against the overwhelming tide of hate against this guy. At best, it's "well, he's only one bad apple . . ."

    Maybe I'm too much of a contrarian. But this poor sap is getting steamrolled by 337 million Americans simultaneously. He doesn't stand a chance.

    I guess that's one marker of how America has changed. Back in the Rodney King days there was at least a minority who would support law enforcement even when what they did looked really ugly but had some justification in context.

    Replies: @JMcG, @TomSchmidt

    , @AnonAnon
    @Anonymous

    Floyd was a dirt bag and not a “good guy” - he was in jail 5 times and did 5 years for armed home invasion robbery.

  142. Anonymous[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    @Gopher Refugee

    One can but hope. I lost my hope that presidents would ever be anything but anti White during the Johnson Nixon years.

    But I do enjoy the liberal weeping and wailing when a republican wins.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    One can but hope. I lost my hope that presidents would ever be anything but anti White during the Johnson Nixon years.

    Was Nixon anti-White? He seems like the most pro-American president of the last 50 years, other than Trump.

  143. Now we have riots in downtown Miami, including widespread looting at Bayside Marketplace, a major shopping mall and tourist attraction.

  144. @Ed
    @gabriel alberton

    Cop was in the wrong. He's screwed, although the autopsy might get him a better deal. He should plea. The crowd exasperated things and he'd probably be alive if they weren't there. I guess this is a legacy of Ferguson and BLM.

    Replies: @gabriel alberton, @Anonymous

    Call me autistic, but your opinion whether the cop was right or wrong in his actions is not what interests me now. He said the cop had his knee on the man’s head for three minutes or less. He said that twice. The criminal complaint says otherwise. I posted a 10 minutes video of the incident. This might be relevant regarding whether the officer was at fault for Floyd’s death or not, and if yes, to what extent. Again: he said three minutes or less. Who’s right and who’s wrong?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @gabriel alberton


    He said the cop had his knee on the man’s head for three minutes or less. He said that twice. The criminal complaint says otherwise.
     
    Duration aside, how much force was being applied through that knee? That is the more important question.

    Chauvin had four other props through which to distribute his weight. Right leg, right arm, right foot, left foot. The long duration during which Floyd was complaining indicates the force was not that great. Indeed, the coroner’s preliminary report found no asphyxiation is or strangulation.

    Another important question is how aware Chauvin actually was of Floyd’s distress.
    , @anon
    @gabriel alberton

    It was 8 minutes - we get it.

  145. Anonymous[187] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed
    @gabriel alberton

    Cop was in the wrong. He's screwed, although the autopsy might get him a better deal. He should plea. The crowd exasperated things and he'd probably be alive if they weren't there. I guess this is a legacy of Ferguson and BLM.

    Replies: @gabriel alberton, @Anonymous

    Cop was in the wrong.

    No, Office Chauvin is innocent. He was trying to do his job in good faith in difficult circumstances. Floyd, who had preexisting conditions, died of a heart attack or stroke from the tense situation and the struggle.

    You and most of the rest of the country are suffering an optical illusion. Yes, Chauvin’s knee was on the side of Floyd’s neck or upper back. (Floyd was resisting arrest and MPD procedures allow allows neck restraints; although arguably this didn’t even rise to the level of a neck restraint.) But there was very little force being applied through it. If there had been and he had been cutting off air, Floyd wouldn’t have been able to speak for those 5 minutes. Most of Chauvin’s weight was elsewhere (other leg, feet, right arm).

    The illusion is generated in part by the fact that you only see one leg, and that you cannot see that Floyd is being pinned further down his body by two other officers, and that you have audio input from the bystanders telling you a particular version (which causes you to interpret the visual in a certain way), and from the media wording their coverage as if Chauvin killed Floyd through pressure on the neck. The illusion is also aided by Floyd’s repeated statements that he cannot breath, which also primes us to interpret in a certain way (but which actually indicates that he had no upper respiratory obstruction, as any EMT will tell you, but is interpreted otherwise by us observers).

    See the coroner’s report and the MPD guidelines and the other legal standards applied to police conduct.

  146. Anonymous[187] • Disclaimer says:
    @gabriel alberton
    @Ed

    Call me autistic, but your opinion whether the cop was right or wrong in his actions is not what interests me now. He said the cop had his knee on the man's head for three minutes or less. He said that twice. The criminal complaint says otherwise. I posted a 10 minutes video of the incident. This might be relevant regarding whether the officer was at fault for Floyd's death or not, and if yes, to what extent. Again: he said three minutes or less. Who's right and who's wrong?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon

    He said the cop had his knee on the man’s head for three minutes or less. He said that twice. The criminal complaint says otherwise.

    Duration aside, how much force was being applied through that knee? That is the more important question.

    Chauvin had four other props through which to distribute his weight. Right leg, right arm, right foot, left foot. The long duration during which Floyd was complaining indicates the force was not that great. Indeed, the coroner’s preliminary report found no asphyxiation is or strangulation.

    Another important question is how aware Chauvin actually was of Floyd’s distress.

  147. @AnotherDad
    @Kevin Silver



    ...

    The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms, stringent hate speech laws, and liberalizing immigration and movement so that white men will have trouble organizing this sort of destruction
     
    Nice trolling. This is the "wisdom" we are subjected to.

    But really are there any Jews named "Kevin".

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Lurker

    One of Robert Maxwell’s sons is called Kevin*. But this is in a British context – Kevin is, or was, an extremely popular boy’s name.

    *Sister of Epstein handler Ghislaine Maxwell.

  148. @prime noticer
    meanwhile SpaceX has launched 2 astronauts to the Space Station. flight control was about as white as a KKK rally, i suppose they would say.

    it's like the 1960s never ended. in many ways, they didn't.

    Replies: @Lurker

  149. @gabriel alberton
    @Ed

    Call me autistic, but your opinion whether the cop was right or wrong in his actions is not what interests me now. He said the cop had his knee on the man's head for three minutes or less. He said that twice. The criminal complaint says otherwise. I posted a 10 minutes video of the incident. This might be relevant regarding whether the officer was at fault for Floyd's death or not, and if yes, to what extent. Again: he said three minutes or less. Who's right and who's wrong?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon

    It was 8 minutes – we get it.

  150. anon[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malenfant
    @Father Coughlin

    How does that have anything to do with what I wrote? And who said anything about "lying"?

    All I'm saying is that if you work at a popular nightclub, and especially if you work the door or the bar, you're going to see, and receive, a lot of counterfeit money. Some of these fake bills are really good; in the dark, it can be impossible to distinguish them from real money. So for somebody in Floyd's line of work, passing along a fake $5 or $10 -- very plausibly inadvertently -- just isn't a big deal. I'm pretty sure that I've inadvertently done it before, and I'm no hardened criminal.

    Frankly, I don't see how Floyd's alleged crime justified such rough treatment. Had the cops managed to bring him down to the station, they almost certainly would have let him off with a warning. (Criminal charges would require that the state prove that Floyd had criminal intent beyond a reasonable doubt -- i.e. that he knew that he was passing a fake bill -- which is a high bar to clear.)

    The robbery is another matter entirely. It was grisly, and he should have received more than five years.

    Replies: @anon

    Frankly, I don’t see how Floyd’s alleged crime justified such rough treatment.

    You should view the video, then, and learn more.

    Had the cops managed to bring him down to the station,

    He tried to buy cigs with a fake $20. The store clerk called the cops and reported a man with fake money who was maybe drunk. The cops arrived and ordered Floyd into the car.

    No. Because “claustrophobia”. Right. Like he didn’t drive his own car to the area? Just an excuse.

    See, at this point the man was going to jail. Easy way or hard way, the future was certain. So they decided to handcuff him and he didn’t want that, either. So now events have to get forceful, because he’s resisting arrest. That’s how he wound up on the ground with multiple cops around him, because he refused to get in the cop car.

    Letting him go? Not an option. So how would you deal with it? Over 6 feet tall, muscular, ain’t getting in the car – what now? What’s your plan? It’s not like TV or movies, you know, when you get down on the pavement with a man who is maybe high or drunk, and he wants to get away.

    they almost certainly would have let him off with a warning. (Criminal charges would require that the state prove that Floyd had criminal intent beyond a reasonable doubt — i.e. that he knew that he was passing a fake bill — which is a high bar to clear.)

    Dude, fake money is a Federal offense. The Secret Service is often called in. Passing fake money, printing it, any of that stuff is good for up to 20 years in a Federal pen. That’s how I read this:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/473

    More likely the Feds would want to know where he got it, use him as an informer. No way he’d be let go with a warning.

    But none of that matters, because way back at the beginning, Floyd refused to get in the car. He resisted arrest. No cop is gonna let that slide. So it all went downhill.

    Try watching the vid. See if you could have done something different. Open your eyes to what real cops really deal with on the real street.

    • Agree: Dieter Kief
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon

    Excellent comment.

    , @Malenfant
    @anon


    Dude, fake money is a Federal offense. The Secret Service is often called in. Passing fake money, printing it, any of that stuff is good for up to 20 years in a Federal pen. That’s how I read this:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/473
     
    The State, and the Feds, typically need to prove "intent to defraud" -- which is a high bar to clear. If Floyd wasn't caught with numerous fake bills, and didn't have a printing operation going, it's extremely unlikely that they would pursue the matter.

    ...There are thousands of Federal offenses. Very few are prosecuted. Convening a Grand Jury is relatively difficult, and isn't often done for trivial things.

    It is possible -- it is likely -- that Floyd was both extremely stupid and rather belligerent. But passing a single bad bill isn't likely to land anybody in jail for any appreciable length of time. (In the vast majority of cases, one will probably do no time at all.)

    The potential 20 year prison term is largely theoretical. The biggest counterfeiters, some of them repeat offenders, rarely do more than a handful of years. And these are guys running their own printing presses. E.g.: https://www.aol.com/2009/08/26/albert-taltons-wild-ride-lessons-from-a-7-million-dollar-coun/

    My point is that his "crime," in this recent case, simply doesn't amount to much. I'm not talking about his historical crimes -- or his trivially obvious stupidity in resisting arrest, which managed to get him killed.
  151. @gabriel alberton
    @Hypnotoad666


    Chauvin had his knee on the perp’s neck for under three minutes.
     

    I will bet dollars to donuts that Floyd ended up dying from whatever massive drug overdose was in his system and that having a knee on the side of his neck for three minutes
     
    You say under three minutes. The criminal complaint says over eight minutes. Someone's wrong. Or lying.

    Here's video. Still up as of this reply.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thfNLVvve4A

    So, under three minutes or over eight minutes?

    Before betting dollars to donuts, one should be reasonably sure of what they're betting against.

    Replies: @Ed, @Hypnotoad666

    Ok. It was apparently 8 minutes with the knee on the neck. I had looked at something saying that “Two minutes and 53 seconds of this was after Mr. Floyd was non-responsive.” So, mistakes were made . . . correction issued.

    But still . . . most of the time, Floyd is clearly talking with the officers and is obviously able to breathe regardless of the knee. The criminal complaint which just came out is pretty informative, actually, although it is deliberately vague on what drug he was on and the precise cause of death:

    Officers Kueng and Lane stood Mr. Floyd up and attempted to walk Mr. Floyd to their squad car (MPD 320) at 8:14 p.m. Mr. Floyd stiffened up, fell to the ground, and told the officers he was claustrophobic.

    MPD Officers Derek Chauvin (the defendant) and Tou Thoa then arrived in a separate squad car.

    The officers made several attempts to get Mr. Floyd in the backseat of squad 320 from the driver’s side. Mr. Floyd did not voluntarily get in the car and struggled with the officers by intentionally falling down, saying he was not going in the car, and refusing to stand still. Mr. Floyd is over six feet tall and weighs more than 200 pounds.

    While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe. The defendant went to the passenger side and tried to get Mr. Floyd into the car from that side and Lane and Kueng assisted.

    The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng held Mr. Floyd’s back and Lane held his legs. The defendant placed his left knee in the area of Mr. Floyd’s head and neck. Mr. Floyd said, “I can’t breathe” multiple times and repeatedly said, “Mama” and “please,” as well. The defendant and the other two officers stayed in their positions.

    The officers said, “You are talking fine” to Mr. Floyd as he continued to move back and forth. Lane asked, “should we roll him on his side?” and the defendant said, “No, staying put where we got him.” Officer Lane said, “I am worried about excited delirium or whatever.” The defendant said, “That’s why we have him on his stomach.” None of the three officers moved from their positions.

    BWC video shows Mr. Floyd continue to move and breathe. At 8:24:24, Mr. Floyd stopped moving. At 8:25:31 the video appears to show Mr. Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak. Lane said, “want to roll him on his side.” Kueng checked Mr. Floyd’s right wrist for a pulse and said, “I couldn’t find one.” None of the officers moved from their positions.

    At 8:27:24, the defendant removed his knee from Mr. Floyd’s neck. An ambulance and emergency medical personnel arrived, the officers placed Mr. Floyd on a gurney, and the ambulance left the scene. Mr. Floyd was pronounced dead at Hennepin County Medical Center.

    The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.

    To be guilty of murder they would have to show that Chauvin went outside his lawful authority, used excessive force, and that the excessive force was the proximate cause of Floyd’s death.

    But in the Complaint itself: (a) There is no allegation that Chauvin did anything wrong in using a knee hold on Floyd’s neck; (b) There is no allegation that Chauvin knew or should have known that putting his knee on Floyd’s neck would kill him; and (c) There is no allegation that Chauvin putting his knee on Floyd’s neck actually did kill him.

    Instead, (reading between the weasel-worded lines), Floyd apparently had a heart attack because he had a weak heart and consumed a lot of drugs. The Complaint (again in weaselly manner) says the officers’ “restraint” of Floyd could have contributed to this (presumed) heart attack. But the “restraint” is just the lawful arrest, not the (also lawful) knee-hold to the neck.

    Unless the final autopsy is radically different the cop did nothing wrong, except cause a really ugly viral video that made it look like he was choking Floyd, when he actually wasn’t. Floyd died tragically due to drugs and a heart attack. Perhaps exacerbated by the need to restrain him as a result of his crime and resisting arrest.

    No one will politically accept this result, however. So a way will be found to send Chauvin to jail and preserve the narrative of “unarmed black man murdered by white cop.”

    P.S., I’m sure Chauvin wishes he had let Officers Kueng or Tou Thoa do the knee-hold, in which case no one would have ever heard of Floyd.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Hypnotoad666

    Very informative comment. Thank you.

    To the extent that the officers’ restraining Floyd was what contributed to his death, how does the prosecution show that cause was Chauvin and not the other two officers who were involved in physically restraining him?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    , @anon
    @Hypnotoad666

    Excellent comment.

    , @gabriel alberton
    @Hypnotoad666

    Very well. I make your words mine:


    Uhm, wait a minute . . . are we sure that’s what happened?
     
    Note I didn't say Mr. Chauvin murdered Mr. Floyd. This is not evident to me, like it is for Mr. Fred Reed, for example. (And apparently, unlike Mr. Sailer but like many others, including those who side with the officer, I just wrote both their names in the same phrase by myself with "murdered'' inbetween, and it didn't take much. Mr. Chauvin, as we know, is facing/defending himself from third-degree murder charges).

    I do believe Chauvin was very much responsible, judging from the video, for what happened, but how much, and if he was at all, the court will decide, as they have more information about the case than I, not being involved, ever will.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  152. Anonymous[187] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    @Malenfant


    Frankly, I don’t see how Floyd’s alleged crime justified such rough treatment.
     
    You should view the video, then, and learn more.

    Had the cops managed to bring him down to the station,
     
    He tried to buy cigs with a fake $20. The store clerk called the cops and reported a man with fake money who was maybe drunk. The cops arrived and ordered Floyd into the car.

    No. Because "claustrophobia". Right. Like he didn't drive his own car to the area? Just an excuse.

    See, at this point the man was going to jail. Easy way or hard way, the future was certain. So they decided to handcuff him and he didn't want that, either. So now events have to get forceful, because he's resisting arrest. That's how he wound up on the ground with multiple cops around him, because he refused to get in the cop car.

    Letting him go? Not an option. So how would you deal with it? Over 6 feet tall, muscular, ain't getting in the car - what now? What's your plan? It's not like TV or movies, you know, when you get down on the pavement with a man who is maybe high or drunk, and he wants to get away.

    they almost certainly would have let him off with a warning. (Criminal charges would require that the state prove that Floyd had criminal intent beyond a reasonable doubt — i.e. that he knew that he was passing a fake bill — which is a high bar to clear.)

    Dude, fake money is a Federal offense. The Secret Service is often called in. Passing fake money, printing it, any of that stuff is good for up to 20 years in a Federal pen. That's how I read this:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/473

    More likely the Feds would want to know where he got it, use him as an informer. No way he'd be let go with a warning.

    But none of that matters, because way back at the beginning, Floyd refused to get in the car. He resisted arrest. No cop is gonna let that slide. So it all went downhill.

    Try watching the vid. See if you could have done something different. Open your eyes to what real cops really deal with on the real street.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Malenfant

    Excellent comment.

  153. Just another Saturday night at the mall:

  154. @Anonymous
    @Hypnotoad666

    Excellent post, overall.

    You discredit yourself to an extent by calling Floyd a “dirt bag.” He may have been a good guy trying to turn his life around. But in either case, it evinces a lack of empathy and you don’t have the knowledge to make such a claim.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @AnonAnon

    “Dirt bag” may have been a tad harsh.

    Maybe he really was “turning his life around.” When you start out doing violent home invasions, merely doing drugs and trafficking counterfeit money is a step in the right direction.

    I guess I am mainly reacting against the lockstep MSM narrative, which has predictably kicked in to canonize Floyd (as a proxy for all blacks) and demonize Chauvin (as a proxy for all whites, or at least white cops). They dig up pictures from Floyd’s yearbook (not his mug shots). Get statements from his mother (not his former victims), and talk about how he loved kittens and rainbows, or whatever.

    On the other hand, they only demonize Chauvin, saying he had other complaints against him, his wife is divorcing him, etc. Never mind that Floyd was a criminal and Chauvin was law enforcement doing his job.

    It would be an entirely legit perspective to say that everything that happened before is irrelevant to the fateful events. But that presumption only works in one direction. Indeed, at this point I haven’t heard a single voice (including on the conservative or law enforcement side), who is willing to even tentatively venture out against the overwhelming tide of hate against this guy. At best, it’s “well, he’s only one bad apple . . .”

    Maybe I’m too much of a contrarian. But this poor sap is getting steamrolled by 337 million Americans simultaneously. He doesn’t stand a chance.

    I guess that’s one marker of how America has changed. Back in the Rodney King days there was at least a minority who would support law enforcement even when what they did looked really ugly but had some justification in context.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Hypnotoad666

    You were right the first time. He was a dirtbag. Better people than that die every day. Thousands died in NY nursing homes because Cuomo forced them to accept Covid positive patients. Same thing in PA. Two octogenarians murdered in a Delaware graveyard by another dirtbag. Not a peep from the people using this dirtbag’s untimely demise as an excuse for burning cities.

    , @TomSchmidt
    @Hypnotoad666

    The first story is usually not the correct story. The problem is video, and framing. It turns out that knee on the neck is part of the police manual. According to this link it's standard Israeli training
    https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/the-knee-on-neck-long-a-staple-of-israel-s-occupation-of-palestine-36787


    In the aftermath of Floyd’s killing, Palestinians were quick to draw parallels between the final images of the man suffering under the knee of the officer, and similar choke holds used by Israel occupation forces.

    “Crazy how the same thing happens in Palestine but the world chooses to ignore it,” Palestinian athlete Mohammad Alqadi wrote on his Twitter above four separate images of Israeli soldiers pinning Palestinians to the ground with their knees on their necks or head. ...

    Amnesty said: “Baltimore and other police departments should find partners that will train on de-escalation techniques, how to handle mentally challenged or ill citizens, on the constitutional rights of citizens concerning filming and how to appropriately respond to those using non-violent protest to express their opinions. Israel is not such a partner.”
     
    Looks like ignoring constitutional rights and treating civilians like enemies is another job Americans simply cannot train for.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

  155. @Kevin Silver
    The more destructive of the protests are being carried out by white supremacists and right wingers

    Republican leaders caused this mess with their inability to govern and listen to their colleagues across the aisle. Voters will respond accordingly

    Exacerbating this violence is access to firearms and hateful rhetoric coming from conservative media

    The solutions as I see it are to ban private ownership of firearms, stringent hate speech laws, and liberalizing immigration and movement so that white men will have trouble organizing this sort of destruction

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @22pp22, @AnotherDad, @TBA, @Joe Stalin, @Alfa158, @Hypnotoad666, @Currahee, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar, @Yancey Ward, @Hibernian, @White Enthusiast

    This is sarcasm, right?

  156. So apparently a good ol’ solid police beating isn’t allowed these days? Well . . .

  157. Anonymous[187] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666
    @gabriel alberton

    Ok. It was apparently 8 minutes with the knee on the neck. I had looked at something saying that "Two minutes and 53 seconds of this was after Mr. Floyd was non-responsive." So, mistakes were made . . . correction issued.

    But still . . . most of the time, Floyd is clearly talking with the officers and is obviously able to breathe regardless of the knee. The criminal complaint which just came out is pretty informative, actually, although it is deliberately vague on what drug he was on and the precise cause of death:


    Officers Kueng and Lane stood Mr. Floyd up and attempted to walk Mr. Floyd to their squad car (MPD 320) at 8:14 p.m. Mr. Floyd stiffened up, fell to the ground, and told the officers he was claustrophobic.

    MPD Officers Derek Chauvin (the defendant) and Tou Thoa then arrived in a separate squad car.

    The officers made several attempts to get Mr. Floyd in the backseat of squad 320 from the driver's side. Mr. Floyd did not voluntarily get in the car and struggled with the officers by intentionally falling down, saying he was not going in the car, and refusing to stand still. Mr. Floyd is over six feet tall and weighs more than 200 pounds.

    While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe. The defendant went to the passenger side and tried to get Mr. Floyd into the car from that side and Lane and Kueng assisted.

    The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng held Mr. Floyd's back and Lane held his legs. The defendant placed his left knee in the area of Mr. Floyd's head and neck. Mr. Floyd said, "I can't breathe" multiple times and repeatedly said, "Mama" and "please," as well. The defendant and the other two officers stayed in their positions.

    The officers said, "You are talking fine" to Mr. Floyd as he continued to move back and forth. Lane asked, "should we roll him on his side?" and the defendant said, "No, staying put where we got him." Officer Lane said, "I am worried about excited delirium or whatever." The defendant said, "That's why we have him on his stomach." None of the three officers moved from their positions.

    BWC video shows Mr. Floyd continue to move and breathe. At 8:24:24, Mr. Floyd stopped moving. At 8:25:31 the video appears to show Mr. Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak. Lane said, "want to roll him on his side." Kueng checked Mr. Floyd's right wrist for a pulse and said, "I couldn't find one." None of the officers moved from their positions.

    At 8:27:24, the defendant removed his knee from Mr. Floyd's neck. An ambulance and emergency medical personnel arrived, the officers placed Mr. Floyd on a gurney, and the ambulance left the scene. Mr. Floyd was pronounced dead at Hennepin County Medical Center.

    The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd's autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.
     

    To be guilty of murder they would have to show that Chauvin went outside his lawful authority, used excessive force, and that the excessive force was the proximate cause of Floyd's death.

    But in the Complaint itself: (a) There is no allegation that Chauvin did anything wrong in using a knee hold on Floyd's neck; (b) There is no allegation that Chauvin knew or should have known that putting his knee on Floyd's neck would kill him; and (c) There is no allegation that Chauvin putting his knee on Floyd's neck actually did kill him.

    Instead, (reading between the weasel-worded lines), Floyd apparently had a heart attack because he had a weak heart and consumed a lot of drugs. The Complaint (again in weaselly manner) says the officers' "restraint" of Floyd could have contributed to this (presumed) heart attack. But the "restraint" is just the lawful arrest, not the (also lawful) knee-hold to the neck.

    Unless the final autopsy is radically different the cop did nothing wrong, except cause a really ugly viral video that made it look like he was choking Floyd, when he actually wasn't. Floyd died tragically due to drugs and a heart attack. Perhaps exacerbated by the need to restrain him as a result of his crime and resisting arrest.

    No one will politically accept this result, however. So a way will be found to send Chauvin to jail and preserve the narrative of "unarmed black man murdered by white cop."

    P.S., I'm sure Chauvin wishes he had let Officers Kueng or Tou Thoa do the knee-hold, in which case no one would have ever heard of Floyd.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon, @gabriel alberton

    Very informative comment. Thank you.

    To the extent that the officers’ restraining Floyd was what contributed to his death, how does the prosecution show that cause was Chauvin and not the other two officers who were involved in physically restraining him?

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Anonymous


    To the extent that the officers’ restraining Floyd was what contributed to his death, how does the prosecution show that cause was Chauvin and not the other two officers who were involved in physically restraining him?
     
    The main point, I think, is that there is a difference between "causing" something and being "at fault" or "liable" for that result. For example, you could be sitting at a bus stop minding your own business and someone not watching where they are going could trip over your foot, fall down, hit their head, and die. Your conduct "caused" or "contributed" to the person's death, because he wouldn't have died if you hadn't been sitting there. But you are not liable as it wasn't due to your fault that the person died.

    In other words, just being the cause of something is not enough to make anyone liable. The universe is an endless chain of causation stretching back to the Big Bang. But humans are not morally or legally culpable for everything that happens further down in their chain of causation.

    On the other hand, if you are doing something positively illegal and blameworthy, the law does extend your responsible for a long way down the chain of causation. For example, under the "felony murder rule," if you are robbing a liquor store and a cop intervenes and accidentally shoots a bystander, you are guilty of murder for the bystander's death. The rationale is that when you deliberately do a criminal act, you should assume the responsibility for almost everything bad that might result.

    So, before they try to decide who's conduct "contributed" to Lloyd's death, they need to show that the officer's conduct was illegal (which they can't). If Floyd's death did not result from illegal conduct by the officers, it's just an unfortunate chain of events, even if Lloyd would be alive "but for" their actions.

    Anyway, that's a long-winded answer that may or may not answer your question. But I've already seen a bunch of pseudo-experts opining that the State only has to show Chauvin "contributed" to the death to convict him. They miss the main point that the state would have to prove illegal conduct first before getting to the "contribute" issue.

  158. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @Haole
    Minneapolis was all white and had not riots in the 1960s. I visited relatives there 20 years ago, no minorities to speak of. The mayor and even the police have no experience dealing with riots and minorities.

    Replies: @Carol, @Anonymous

    Bingo. They’re clueless. The biggest mistake was firing the officers. That showed weakness and made riots inevitable. You must never show weakness in these situations.

  159. @Hypnotoad666
    @gabriel alberton

    Ok. It was apparently 8 minutes with the knee on the neck. I had looked at something saying that "Two minutes and 53 seconds of this was after Mr. Floyd was non-responsive." So, mistakes were made . . . correction issued.

    But still . . . most of the time, Floyd is clearly talking with the officers and is obviously able to breathe regardless of the knee. The criminal complaint which just came out is pretty informative, actually, although it is deliberately vague on what drug he was on and the precise cause of death:


    Officers Kueng and Lane stood Mr. Floyd up and attempted to walk Mr. Floyd to their squad car (MPD 320) at 8:14 p.m. Mr. Floyd stiffened up, fell to the ground, and told the officers he was claustrophobic.

    MPD Officers Derek Chauvin (the defendant) and Tou Thoa then arrived in a separate squad car.

    The officers made several attempts to get Mr. Floyd in the backseat of squad 320 from the driver's side. Mr. Floyd did not voluntarily get in the car and struggled with the officers by intentionally falling down, saying he was not going in the car, and refusing to stand still. Mr. Floyd is over six feet tall and weighs more than 200 pounds.

    While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe. The defendant went to the passenger side and tried to get Mr. Floyd into the car from that side and Lane and Kueng assisted.

    The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng held Mr. Floyd's back and Lane held his legs. The defendant placed his left knee in the area of Mr. Floyd's head and neck. Mr. Floyd said, "I can't breathe" multiple times and repeatedly said, "Mama" and "please," as well. The defendant and the other two officers stayed in their positions.

    The officers said, "You are talking fine" to Mr. Floyd as he continued to move back and forth. Lane asked, "should we roll him on his side?" and the defendant said, "No, staying put where we got him." Officer Lane said, "I am worried about excited delirium or whatever." The defendant said, "That's why we have him on his stomach." None of the three officers moved from their positions.

    BWC video shows Mr. Floyd continue to move and breathe. At 8:24:24, Mr. Floyd stopped moving. At 8:25:31 the video appears to show Mr. Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak. Lane said, "want to roll him on his side." Kueng checked Mr. Floyd's right wrist for a pulse and said, "I couldn't find one." None of the officers moved from their positions.

    At 8:27:24, the defendant removed his knee from Mr. Floyd's neck. An ambulance and emergency medical personnel arrived, the officers placed Mr. Floyd on a gurney, and the ambulance left the scene. Mr. Floyd was pronounced dead at Hennepin County Medical Center.

    The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd's autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.
     

    To be guilty of murder they would have to show that Chauvin went outside his lawful authority, used excessive force, and that the excessive force was the proximate cause of Floyd's death.

    But in the Complaint itself: (a) There is no allegation that Chauvin did anything wrong in using a knee hold on Floyd's neck; (b) There is no allegation that Chauvin knew or should have known that putting his knee on Floyd's neck would kill him; and (c) There is no allegation that Chauvin putting his knee on Floyd's neck actually did kill him.

    Instead, (reading between the weasel-worded lines), Floyd apparently had a heart attack because he had a weak heart and consumed a lot of drugs. The Complaint (again in weaselly manner) says the officers' "restraint" of Floyd could have contributed to this (presumed) heart attack. But the "restraint" is just the lawful arrest, not the (also lawful) knee-hold to the neck.

    Unless the final autopsy is radically different the cop did nothing wrong, except cause a really ugly viral video that made it look like he was choking Floyd, when he actually wasn't. Floyd died tragically due to drugs and a heart attack. Perhaps exacerbated by the need to restrain him as a result of his crime and resisting arrest.

    No one will politically accept this result, however. So a way will be found to send Chauvin to jail and preserve the narrative of "unarmed black man murdered by white cop."

    P.S., I'm sure Chauvin wishes he had let Officers Kueng or Tou Thoa do the knee-hold, in which case no one would have ever heard of Floyd.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon, @gabriel alberton

    Excellent comment.

  160. Anonymous[187] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    @Hypnotoad666

    I was past tired of these idiotic protestations of one-sided solidarity when I heard right wing radio say next to nothing about the violence and, except for the normally pretty useless Mike Gallagher, the wheelchair, in favor of a misguided outreach attempt. You have a limited amount of time, and using it for gushing over outgroup strangers, even if they really have suffered, to the exclusion of objectively greater cases of suffering in your own group, is sick. Here it is also stupid because they're doing it to try to calm down people who are not really upset, just wild, and highly unlikely to listen. It is also completely conceding the propaganda frame. Right-wing outrage over the mistreatment of this burglar (who branched out into forgery) fits itself spider-like completely within the enemy framing and thus convinces the low-information normie (who "feels" things to be true or false based on the initial setup) that there really must be a national issue of racist police brutality.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Yours is a profound comment. It could help us to have a bit more explanation though.

    Here it is also stupid because they’re doing it to try to calm down people who are not really upset, just wild, and highly unlikely to listen.

    Could you elaborate on why you think they are not really upset, but are just wild?

    It is also completely conceding the propaganda frame. Right-wing outrage over the mistreatment of this burglar (who branched out into forgery) fits itself spider-like completely within the enemy framing and thus convinces the low-information normie (who “feels” things to be true or false based on the initial setup) that there really must be a national issue of racist police brutality.

    Most importantly, could you elaborate on the possible frames in this situation? What should the “Right-wing” (which, as an aside, if you’ll excuse me from observing, is itself a self-sabotaging term or frame) instead be saying?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Anonymous

    -- Use a name so your past comments can be analyzed,
    -- I "think" people performing sex acts on each other and acquiring 65" flat screen TVs are not acting politically because my eyes work, and because of numerous other observations, quotes, videos, as well as authorities coming to this same conclusion,
    -- The main lyingpress frame here would be that this is a matter of hypermilitarized racist police over-punishing an innocent black man who was (in Hannity's words) "getting his life together,"
    -- People-who-are-not-leftists-but-who-have-access-to-a-public-forum (whew!) should be talking about the rioters, about the role of antifa in the riot, about the complete abdication and even betrayal of police who flee in urinating terror from city-burners but who shoot white homeowners on their own property and white grocery shoppers carrying dangerous bags, about how New York City is allowed to defend itself but lesser municipalities are not allowed to defend themselves; insofar as Lloyd should come up at all it should be in deconstructing the almost entirely dishonest popularized version of events, explaining the rareness and irrelevance of black deaths in police custody, and contrasting with the white response to that worthless Somali, who never should have been a cop, who coldly murdered a white woman before he could possibly have had any reason to worry about her.

  161. @Lugash
    Fuck the NYPD. Bunch of goons.

    https://twitter.com/ZeeshanAleem/status/1266562022398926848

    Replies: @Aeronerauk, @AnonAnon

    NYPD are awesome. Fuck that asshole Antifa kid. Screw all these “protestors”. Life was just starting to get back to normal and now we have to deal with this shit. The “protestors” coughSoroscough seem intent on moving the party into the nicer areas this time around, too. If Georgie boy wasn’t doing criminal things he’d still be alive. I don’t care that he died. If we lived in a just world the rioters and looters would all be in jail and the feds would declare Antifa and BLM domestic terrorist groups and go after them and their funding. I won’t hold my breath.

  162. @anon
    @Malenfant


    Frankly, I don’t see how Floyd’s alleged crime justified such rough treatment.
     
    You should view the video, then, and learn more.

    Had the cops managed to bring him down to the station,
     
    He tried to buy cigs with a fake $20. The store clerk called the cops and reported a man with fake money who was maybe drunk. The cops arrived and ordered Floyd into the car.

    No. Because "claustrophobia". Right. Like he didn't drive his own car to the area? Just an excuse.

    See, at this point the man was going to jail. Easy way or hard way, the future was certain. So they decided to handcuff him and he didn't want that, either. So now events have to get forceful, because he's resisting arrest. That's how he wound up on the ground with multiple cops around him, because he refused to get in the cop car.

    Letting him go? Not an option. So how would you deal with it? Over 6 feet tall, muscular, ain't getting in the car - what now? What's your plan? It's not like TV or movies, you know, when you get down on the pavement with a man who is maybe high or drunk, and he wants to get away.

    they almost certainly would have let him off with a warning. (Criminal charges would require that the state prove that Floyd had criminal intent beyond a reasonable doubt — i.e. that he knew that he was passing a fake bill — which is a high bar to clear.)

    Dude, fake money is a Federal offense. The Secret Service is often called in. Passing fake money, printing it, any of that stuff is good for up to 20 years in a Federal pen. That's how I read this:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/473

    More likely the Feds would want to know where he got it, use him as an informer. No way he'd be let go with a warning.

    But none of that matters, because way back at the beginning, Floyd refused to get in the car. He resisted arrest. No cop is gonna let that slide. So it all went downhill.

    Try watching the vid. See if you could have done something different. Open your eyes to what real cops really deal with on the real street.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Malenfant

    Dude, fake money is a Federal offense. The Secret Service is often called in. Passing fake money, printing it, any of that stuff is good for up to 20 years in a Federal pen. That’s how I read this:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/473

    The State, and the Feds, typically need to prove “intent to defraud” — which is a high bar to clear. If Floyd wasn’t caught with numerous fake bills, and didn’t have a printing operation going, it’s extremely unlikely that they would pursue the matter.

    …There are thousands of Federal offenses. Very few are prosecuted. Convening a Grand Jury is relatively difficult, and isn’t often done for trivial things.

    It is possible — it is likely — that Floyd was both extremely stupid and rather belligerent. But passing a single bad bill isn’t likely to land anybody in jail for any appreciable length of time. (In the vast majority of cases, one will probably do no time at all.)

    The potential 20 year prison term is largely theoretical. The biggest counterfeiters, some of them repeat offenders, rarely do more than a handful of years. And these are guys running their own printing presses. E.g.: https://www.aol.com/2009/08/26/albert-taltons-wild-ride-lessons-from-a-7-million-dollar-coun/

    My point is that his “crime,” in this recent case, simply doesn’t amount to much. I’m not talking about his historical crimes — or his trivially obvious stupidity in resisting arrest, which managed to get him killed.

  163. @Anonymous
    @Hypnotoad666

    Excellent post, overall.

    You discredit yourself to an extent by calling Floyd a “dirt bag.” He may have been a good guy trying to turn his life around. But in either case, it evinces a lack of empathy and you don’t have the knowledge to make such a claim.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @AnonAnon

    Floyd was a dirt bag and not a “good guy” – he was in jail 5 times and did 5 years for armed home invasion robbery.

  164. @Malenfant
    @Hypnotoad666


    Floyd was a known dirt-bag felon who had just passed a counterfeit bill.
     
    He worked the door at a dance club. It comes with the territory.

    When I was in college, I spent four nights a week working the door at one of the biggest clubs in one of America's biggest cities. You get a lot of counterfeit bills. It's dark. Sometimes you don't notice. I've seen some bills where, looking back, I'm still not sure if they were counterfeit or not. And, surely, I've unintentionally passed counterfeit money myself.

    It's not that big a deal.

    Replies: @Father Coughlin, @Alden, @AnonAnon

    I’ve been treasurer in various school PTAs for a number of years – I’ve probably personally counted at least a quarter million in small bills through the years – and in that time I’ve gotten one counterfeit bill. The counting machine spit it out and the bank teller could tell it was bad the second she touched it. I asked to feel it – it was super soft, like it had been washed a bunch and it definitely felt noticeably different than most bills. I got it in a stack of money from our school carnival so never touched it myself before then. The teller said it was unusual that it was a ten dollar bill since most counterfeits are twenties. We had to fill out a bunch of federal paperwork about it, too.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @AnonAnon


    We had to fill out a bunch of federal paperwork about it, too.
     
    That's all Floyd would have had to do, if he was smart (which, as his reaction to being arrested shows, he clearly wasn't). If he was passing counterfeit bills, the smart thing to do would be not to carry more than one at a time and keep the rest hidden in a place that couldn't be connected to him, in case the cops got a search warrant for his residence. That way nobody could prove he hadn't innocently acquired the bill without noticing it was forged.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

  165. @J.Ross
    @Dieter Kief

    Not really. People under Hitler targeted specific books, because they analyzed and rejected those specific books as abhorrent to their ideology. Evil but intelligent. I'm not sure that a BLM type would have an ideological issue with Spider Robinson. This was the action of an animal or a robot. They're almost not responsible, they're just lighting things to light them.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Agreed. You make a reasonable distinction. Sigh.

  166. @Ed
    @YetAnotherAnon

    There's a whole generation of white girls that lack street savvy and guarding their personal safety.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    I get the impression at least some women were being snatched off the streets.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/woman-found-dead-car-minneapolis-following-night-kidnappings-random-cars-shot-rioters

    Btw, there was a now-deleted Twitter post by someone called TotalToughScene claiming that the deceased had done porn films back in Houston (?) and with a link to a preview. Press have picked up on it.

    https://thewashingtonsentinel.com/breaking-minneapolis-suspect-george-floyd-appeared-in-porn-videos/

    “one oddity about Floyd’s life is that he appeared in a hard-core porn a few years ago. Floyd can be seen in a sex tape made by a porn outfit called “The Habib Show.” These pornographers do not make artful porn, to be sure. Indeed, they often film somewhat brutal and crass sexual encounters where the women are passed from man-to-man, slapped around, choked…”

  167. @AnonAnon
    @Malenfant

    I’ve been treasurer in various school PTAs for a number of years - I’ve probably personally counted at least a quarter million in small bills through the years - and in that time I’ve gotten one counterfeit bill. The counting machine spit it out and the bank teller could tell it was bad the second she touched it. I asked to feel it - it was super soft, like it had been washed a bunch and it definitely felt noticeably different than most bills. I got it in a stack of money from our school carnival so never touched it myself before then. The teller said it was unusual that it was a ten dollar bill since most counterfeits are twenties. We had to fill out a bunch of federal paperwork about it, too.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    We had to fill out a bunch of federal paperwork about it, too.

    That’s all Floyd would have had to do, if he was smart (which, as his reaction to being arrested shows, he clearly wasn’t). If he was passing counterfeit bills, the smart thing to do would be not to carry more than one at a time and keep the rest hidden in a place that couldn’t be connected to him, in case the cops got a search warrant for his residence. That way nobody could prove he hadn’t innocently acquired the bill without noticing it was forged.

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @Rob McX

    "That’s all Floyd would have had to do, if he was smart (which, as his reaction to being arrested shows, he clearly wasn’t). ..."

    Reportedly he was drunk (or otherwise impaired). Which is another reason for arresting him rather than letting him drive away.

  168. @Hypnotoad666
    @Anonymous

    "Dirt bag" may have been a tad harsh.

    Maybe he really was "turning his life around." When you start out doing violent home invasions, merely doing drugs and trafficking counterfeit money is a step in the right direction.

    I guess I am mainly reacting against the lockstep MSM narrative, which has predictably kicked in to canonize Floyd (as a proxy for all blacks) and demonize Chauvin (as a proxy for all whites, or at least white cops). They dig up pictures from Floyd's yearbook (not his mug shots). Get statements from his mother (not his former victims), and talk about how he loved kittens and rainbows, or whatever.

    On the other hand, they only demonize Chauvin, saying he had other complaints against him, his wife is divorcing him, etc. Never mind that Floyd was a criminal and Chauvin was law enforcement doing his job.

    It would be an entirely legit perspective to say that everything that happened before is irrelevant to the fateful events. But that presumption only works in one direction. Indeed, at this point I haven't heard a single voice (including on the conservative or law enforcement side), who is willing to even tentatively venture out against the overwhelming tide of hate against this guy. At best, it's "well, he's only one bad apple . . ."

    Maybe I'm too much of a contrarian. But this poor sap is getting steamrolled by 337 million Americans simultaneously. He doesn't stand a chance.

    I guess that's one marker of how America has changed. Back in the Rodney King days there was at least a minority who would support law enforcement even when what they did looked really ugly but had some justification in context.

    Replies: @JMcG, @TomSchmidt

    You were right the first time. He was a dirtbag. Better people than that die every day. Thousands died in NY nursing homes because Cuomo forced them to accept Covid positive patients. Same thing in PA. Two octogenarians murdered in a Delaware graveyard by another dirtbag. Not a peep from the people using this dirtbag’s untimely demise as an excuse for burning cities.

  169. @Hypnotoad666
    @gabriel alberton

    Ok. It was apparently 8 minutes with the knee on the neck. I had looked at something saying that "Two minutes and 53 seconds of this was after Mr. Floyd was non-responsive." So, mistakes were made . . . correction issued.

    But still . . . most of the time, Floyd is clearly talking with the officers and is obviously able to breathe regardless of the knee. The criminal complaint which just came out is pretty informative, actually, although it is deliberately vague on what drug he was on and the precise cause of death:


    Officers Kueng and Lane stood Mr. Floyd up and attempted to walk Mr. Floyd to their squad car (MPD 320) at 8:14 p.m. Mr. Floyd stiffened up, fell to the ground, and told the officers he was claustrophobic.

    MPD Officers Derek Chauvin (the defendant) and Tou Thoa then arrived in a separate squad car.

    The officers made several attempts to get Mr. Floyd in the backseat of squad 320 from the driver's side. Mr. Floyd did not voluntarily get in the car and struggled with the officers by intentionally falling down, saying he was not going in the car, and refusing to stand still. Mr. Floyd is over six feet tall and weighs more than 200 pounds.

    While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe. The defendant went to the passenger side and tried to get Mr. Floyd into the car from that side and Lane and Kueng assisted.

    The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng held Mr. Floyd's back and Lane held his legs. The defendant placed his left knee in the area of Mr. Floyd's head and neck. Mr. Floyd said, "I can't breathe" multiple times and repeatedly said, "Mama" and "please," as well. The defendant and the other two officers stayed in their positions.

    The officers said, "You are talking fine" to Mr. Floyd as he continued to move back and forth. Lane asked, "should we roll him on his side?" and the defendant said, "No, staying put where we got him." Officer Lane said, "I am worried about excited delirium or whatever." The defendant said, "That's why we have him on his stomach." None of the three officers moved from their positions.

    BWC video shows Mr. Floyd continue to move and breathe. At 8:24:24, Mr. Floyd stopped moving. At 8:25:31 the video appears to show Mr. Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak. Lane said, "want to roll him on his side." Kueng checked Mr. Floyd's right wrist for a pulse and said, "I couldn't find one." None of the officers moved from their positions.

    At 8:27:24, the defendant removed his knee from Mr. Floyd's neck. An ambulance and emergency medical personnel arrived, the officers placed Mr. Floyd on a gurney, and the ambulance left the scene. Mr. Floyd was pronounced dead at Hennepin County Medical Center.

    The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd's autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.
     

    To be guilty of murder they would have to show that Chauvin went outside his lawful authority, used excessive force, and that the excessive force was the proximate cause of Floyd's death.

    But in the Complaint itself: (a) There is no allegation that Chauvin did anything wrong in using a knee hold on Floyd's neck; (b) There is no allegation that Chauvin knew or should have known that putting his knee on Floyd's neck would kill him; and (c) There is no allegation that Chauvin putting his knee on Floyd's neck actually did kill him.

    Instead, (reading between the weasel-worded lines), Floyd apparently had a heart attack because he had a weak heart and consumed a lot of drugs. The Complaint (again in weaselly manner) says the officers' "restraint" of Floyd could have contributed to this (presumed) heart attack. But the "restraint" is just the lawful arrest, not the (also lawful) knee-hold to the neck.

    Unless the final autopsy is radically different the cop did nothing wrong, except cause a really ugly viral video that made it look like he was choking Floyd, when he actually wasn't. Floyd died tragically due to drugs and a heart attack. Perhaps exacerbated by the need to restrain him as a result of his crime and resisting arrest.

    No one will politically accept this result, however. So a way will be found to send Chauvin to jail and preserve the narrative of "unarmed black man murdered by white cop."

    P.S., I'm sure Chauvin wishes he had let Officers Kueng or Tou Thoa do the knee-hold, in which case no one would have ever heard of Floyd.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon, @gabriel alberton

    Very well. I make your words mine:

    Uhm, wait a minute . . . are we sure that’s what happened?

    Note I didn’t say Mr. Chauvin murdered Mr. Floyd. This is not evident to me, like it is for Mr. Fred Reed, for example. (And apparently, unlike Mr. Sailer but like many others, including those who side with the officer, I just wrote both their names in the same phrase by myself with “murdered” inbetween, and it didn’t take much. Mr. Chauvin, as we know, is facing/defending himself from third-degree murder charges).

    I do believe Chauvin was very much responsible, judging from the video, for what happened, but how much, and if he was at all, the court will decide, as they have more information about the case than I, not being involved, ever will.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @gabriel alberton


    do believe Chauvin was very much responsible, judging from the video, for what happened
     
    What did Chauvin do wrong? He applied very little pressure through his knee (even though neck restraints may have been permitted under the circumstances). The coroner found no sign of asphyxiation or strangulation.
  170. @Anonymous
    @J.Ross

    Yours is a profound comment. It could help us to have a bit more explanation though.


    Here it is also stupid because they’re doing it to try to calm down people who are not really upset, just wild, and highly unlikely to listen.
     
    Could you elaborate on why you think they are not really upset, but are just wild?

    It is also completely conceding the propaganda frame. Right-wing outrage over the mistreatment of this burglar (who branched out into forgery) fits itself spider-like completely within the enemy framing and thus convinces the low-information normie (who “feels” things to be true or false based on the initial setup) that there really must be a national issue of racist police brutality.
     
    Most importantly, could you elaborate on the possible frames in this situation? What should the “Right-wing” (which, as an aside, if you’ll excuse me from observing, is itself a self-sabotaging term or frame) instead be saying?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    — Use a name so your past comments can be analyzed,
    — I “think” people performing sex acts on each other and acquiring 65″ flat screen TVs are not acting politically because my eyes work, and because of numerous other observations, quotes, videos, as well as authorities coming to this same conclusion,
    — The main lyingpress frame here would be that this is a matter of hypermilitarized racist police over-punishing an innocent black man who was (in Hannity’s words) “getting his life together,”
    — People-who-are-not-leftists-but-who-have-access-to-a-public-forum (whew!) should be talking about the rioters, about the role of antifa in the riot, about the complete abdication and even betrayal of police who flee in urinating terror from city-burners but who shoot white homeowners on their own property and white grocery shoppers carrying dangerous bags, about how New York City is allowed to defend itself but lesser municipalities are not allowed to defend themselves; insofar as Lloyd should come up at all it should be in deconstructing the almost entirely dishonest popularized version of events, explaining the rareness and irrelevance of black deaths in police custody, and contrasting with the white response to that worthless Somali, who never should have been a cop, who coldly murdered a white woman before he could possibly have had any reason to worry about her.

  171. @Rob McX
    @AnonAnon


    We had to fill out a bunch of federal paperwork about it, too.
     
    That's all Floyd would have had to do, if he was smart (which, as his reaction to being arrested shows, he clearly wasn't). If he was passing counterfeit bills, the smart thing to do would be not to carry more than one at a time and keep the rest hidden in a place that couldn't be connected to him, in case the cops got a search warrant for his residence. That way nobody could prove he hadn't innocently acquired the bill without noticing it was forged.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    “That’s all Floyd would have had to do, if he was smart (which, as his reaction to being arrested shows, he clearly wasn’t). …”

    Reportedly he was drunk (or otherwise impaired). Which is another reason for arresting him rather than letting him drive away.

  172. @J.Ross
    Evil racist past:
    https://postimg.cc/nXLn2wBB
    Vibrant diverse present:
    https://postimg.cc/mzZxZPjM
    (Hugo and Edgar are of course the awards for the respective genres.)

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @Mike_from_SGV, @Dieter Kief, @TomSchmidt, @Anonymous, @John Pepple

    That’s a terrible loss. My wife and I would always go there when we went to the Twin Cities. Uncle Edgar’s had so many used paperback mysteries for sale that I never even tried to go through them all during one visit.

  173. @West Reanimator
    @TomSchmidt

    This is remarkable that only from Britain do we get ANY relevant facts in the case. The American media is just nonstop emoting and race baiting.

    When the officer eventually gets acquitted, or pleads down to some lesser charge, what will happen next? we will see a second round of even worse riots, and the people breaching the peace, the ones with the cameras and microphones, will never be held responsible.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    When he gets acquitted at the state level, the Feds bring civil rights charges.

    Did you ever wonder where the idea of kneeling on someone’s neck came from?

  174. @Cortes
    @TomSchmidt

    “The book doesn’t, and the cop was following the book”

    No doubt the now ex-cop can point to the recent disclosure of a prominent black political leader enjoining his underlings to do things “by the book.”

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    Lethal rhetoric, but probably unusable.

  175. @Hypnotoad666
    @Anonymous

    "Dirt bag" may have been a tad harsh.

    Maybe he really was "turning his life around." When you start out doing violent home invasions, merely doing drugs and trafficking counterfeit money is a step in the right direction.

    I guess I am mainly reacting against the lockstep MSM narrative, which has predictably kicked in to canonize Floyd (as a proxy for all blacks) and demonize Chauvin (as a proxy for all whites, or at least white cops). They dig up pictures from Floyd's yearbook (not his mug shots). Get statements from his mother (not his former victims), and talk about how he loved kittens and rainbows, or whatever.

    On the other hand, they only demonize Chauvin, saying he had other complaints against him, his wife is divorcing him, etc. Never mind that Floyd was a criminal and Chauvin was law enforcement doing his job.

    It would be an entirely legit perspective to say that everything that happened before is irrelevant to the fateful events. But that presumption only works in one direction. Indeed, at this point I haven't heard a single voice (including on the conservative or law enforcement side), who is willing to even tentatively venture out against the overwhelming tide of hate against this guy. At best, it's "well, he's only one bad apple . . ."

    Maybe I'm too much of a contrarian. But this poor sap is getting steamrolled by 337 million Americans simultaneously. He doesn't stand a chance.

    I guess that's one marker of how America has changed. Back in the Rodney King days there was at least a minority who would support law enforcement even when what they did looked really ugly but had some justification in context.

    Replies: @JMcG, @TomSchmidt

    The first story is usually not the correct story. The problem is video, and framing. It turns out that knee on the neck is part of the police manual. According to this link it’s standard Israeli training
    https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/the-knee-on-neck-long-a-staple-of-israel-s-occupation-of-palestine-36787

    In the aftermath of Floyd’s killing, Palestinians were quick to draw parallels between the final images of the man suffering under the knee of the officer, and similar choke holds used by Israel occupation forces.

    “Crazy how the same thing happens in Palestine but the world chooses to ignore it,” Palestinian athlete Mohammad Alqadi wrote on his Twitter above four separate images of Israeli soldiers pinning Palestinians to the ground with their knees on their necks or head. …

    Amnesty said: “Baltimore and other police departments should find partners that will train on de-escalation techniques, how to handle mentally challenged or ill citizens, on the constitutional rights of citizens concerning filming and how to appropriately respond to those using non-violent protest to express their opinions. Israel is not such a partner.”

    Looks like ignoring constitutional rights and treating civilians like enemies is another job Americans simply cannot train for.

    • Thanks: Hypnotoad666
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @TomSchmidt

    Maybe they should start calling it the "Israeli Neck Hold," then it would be acceptable.

    Once you have someone's head and neck immobilized, they have lost all ability to generate leverage to strike you with their limbs. That's one of the basic principles of muay thai, for example. The "gentle giant" was apparently 6'6, well over 200lbs., and on undisclosed drugs. How else are you going to physically control someone like that, sit on their chest? That would be more dangerous and less effective.

    People just refuse to think anything through.

  176. The ones who are financing and instigating these riots should be arrested and charged with such crimes send them to prison arrest the rioters and send them to another nation after thhey have served time in Prison

  177. @TomSchmidt
    @Hypnotoad666

    The first story is usually not the correct story. The problem is video, and framing. It turns out that knee on the neck is part of the police manual. According to this link it's standard Israeli training
    https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/the-knee-on-neck-long-a-staple-of-israel-s-occupation-of-palestine-36787


    In the aftermath of Floyd’s killing, Palestinians were quick to draw parallels between the final images of the man suffering under the knee of the officer, and similar choke holds used by Israel occupation forces.

    “Crazy how the same thing happens in Palestine but the world chooses to ignore it,” Palestinian athlete Mohammad Alqadi wrote on his Twitter above four separate images of Israeli soldiers pinning Palestinians to the ground with their knees on their necks or head. ...

    Amnesty said: “Baltimore and other police departments should find partners that will train on de-escalation techniques, how to handle mentally challenged or ill citizens, on the constitutional rights of citizens concerning filming and how to appropriately respond to those using non-violent protest to express their opinions. Israel is not such a partner.”
     
    Looks like ignoring constitutional rights and treating civilians like enemies is another job Americans simply cannot train for.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    Maybe they should start calling it the “Israeli Neck Hold,” then it would be acceptable.

    Once you have someone’s head and neck immobilized, they have lost all ability to generate leverage to strike you with their limbs. That’s one of the basic principles of muay thai, for example. The “gentle giant” was apparently 6’6, well over 200lbs., and on undisclosed drugs. How else are you going to physically control someone like that, sit on their chest? That would be more dangerous and less effective.

    People just refuse to think anything through.

  178. Anonymous[226] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter D. Bredon
    @Lugash

    LA is the West Coast home port of the Phoenician Navy (headquartered in NYC) so they too get gold-standard police protection.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    LA is the West Coast home port of the Phoenician Navy (headquartered in NYC) so they too get gold-standard police protection.

    What does this mean?

  179. Anonymous[226] • Disclaimer says:
    @gabriel alberton
    @Hypnotoad666

    Very well. I make your words mine:


    Uhm, wait a minute . . . are we sure that’s what happened?
     
    Note I didn't say Mr. Chauvin murdered Mr. Floyd. This is not evident to me, like it is for Mr. Fred Reed, for example. (And apparently, unlike Mr. Sailer but like many others, including those who side with the officer, I just wrote both their names in the same phrase by myself with "murdered'' inbetween, and it didn't take much. Mr. Chauvin, as we know, is facing/defending himself from third-degree murder charges).

    I do believe Chauvin was very much responsible, judging from the video, for what happened, but how much, and if he was at all, the court will decide, as they have more information about the case than I, not being involved, ever will.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    do believe Chauvin was very much responsible, judging from the video, for what happened

    What did Chauvin do wrong? He applied very little pressure through his knee (even though neck restraints may have been permitted under the circumstances). The coroner found no sign of asphyxiation or strangulation.

  180. @Anonymous
    @Hypnotoad666

    Very informative comment. Thank you.

    To the extent that the officers’ restraining Floyd was what contributed to his death, how does the prosecution show that cause was Chauvin and not the other two officers who were involved in physically restraining him?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    To the extent that the officers’ restraining Floyd was what contributed to his death, how does the prosecution show that cause was Chauvin and not the other two officers who were involved in physically restraining him?

    The main point, I think, is that there is a difference between “causing” something and being “at fault” or “liable” for that result. For example, you could be sitting at a bus stop minding your own business and someone not watching where they are going could trip over your foot, fall down, hit their head, and die. Your conduct “caused” or “contributed” to the person’s death, because he wouldn’t have died if you hadn’t been sitting there. But you are not liable as it wasn’t due to your fault that the person died.

    In other words, just being the cause of something is not enough to make anyone liable. The universe is an endless chain of causation stretching back to the Big Bang. But humans are not morally or legally culpable for everything that happens further down in their chain of causation.

    On the other hand, if you are doing something positively illegal and blameworthy, the law does extend your responsible for a long way down the chain of causation. For example, under the “felony murder rule,” if you are robbing a liquor store and a cop intervenes and accidentally shoots a bystander, you are guilty of murder for the bystander’s death. The rationale is that when you deliberately do a criminal act, you should assume the responsibility for almost everything bad that might result.

    So, before they try to decide who’s conduct “contributed” to Lloyd’s death, they need to show that the officer’s conduct was illegal (which they can’t). If Floyd’s death did not result from illegal conduct by the officers, it’s just an unfortunate chain of events, even if Lloyd would be alive “but for” their actions.

    Anyway, that’s a long-winded answer that may or may not answer your question. But I’ve already seen a bunch of pseudo-experts opining that the State only has to show Chauvin “contributed” to the death to convict him. They miss the main point that the state would have to prove illegal conduct first before getting to the “contribute” issue.

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