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The first trial since last year’s official report on the raping and pimping of underage English girls in Rotherham is underway, with 5 Muslim pimps and two white madams charged. Some of the crimes go all the way back to the 1980s.

It’s important to keep a few things in mind:

First, there’s not much evidence that Rotherham is unusual, other than that it was the first city in England to publish an honest inquiry into what has been going on all over England for decades. Indeed, I spent a few days in 2013 researching the general topic of Pakistani grooming of English adolescent girls for a Taki’s column. But when the Rotherham report came out in 2014, I had literally never heard of Rotherham. I actually thought my readers emailing me must be confused about how to spell Rotterdam in the Netherlands.

Second, the general topic of Muslim sexual exploitation of English adolescent girls was covered up for more than a decade for reasons of anti-racist ideology. In practice, it often turns out that:

Political Correctness = Rape

Third, journalists are highly dependent upon government reports and legal records. When I looked into Pakistani grooming in 2013, it was obvious what was going on. But most people aren’t very good at pattern recognition, especially when they are told over and over that noticing is evil.

But give journalists an official document to quote and they’re a lot more likely to be good to go. If you pay careful attention to Tom McCarthy’s pretty good new movie Spotlight about some Boston Globe reporters investigating sexual abuse by gay Catholic priests in the Boston archdiocese, you’ll notice the same thing as in Britain with the Pakistani pimps. I won’t say more because I’ll possibly write a longer review at some point, especially if Spotlight gets a lot of Oscar nominations. But, for now, let me just say: to make sense of what’s really happening, don’t get too intrigued by the journalists’ iSteve-like statistical analysis. Instead, keep an eye on the plaintiff’s lawyer character who is played by Stanley Tucci in a wig.

 
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  1. • Replies: @TangoMan
    I'd love to be a frat leader there and convince the bros to take this position:

    Hey, Ms. Yale Administrator, we didn't throw such a party and there is no evidence that we did but we want you to move forward on the presumption that we did take such a position and find a rationale to justify your call that Yale administrators have grounds to police the sexual preferences of Yale students. If our frat brothers want to nail white Yale girls, why should we have to admit black women when none of us is interested in nailing a black chick?
     
    , @NJ Transit Commuter
    @gunther

    Regarding the Yale frat party alleged racism, it should be obvious to anyone paying attention that this is all agitprop.

    UVA, Mizzou, Yale, Rowan, Harvard Law, all of it.

    It serves two purposes. One is the traditonal function of agitprop: creating false incidents in order to implement measures that wouldn't be otherwise. The second is to serve as a filter. Any people, groups and mass media that accept these incidents as real are allies, anyone who doesn't is the enemy.
    , @anon
    It was kind of stupid to investigate anyway. I mean, what kind of proof could there have been even if it was true? Unless the bouncer or whoever admitted it, they'd never be able to prove it anyway.

    Of course, the BLM types realize this. It'll go down in their mythology and stay there forever. They'll still claim it happened, but it just couldn't be proven one way or the other.

    I always wonder why people would make up stories so dumb. Could anyone at Yale really be so stupid as to ADMIT that they were not allowing black people in, in a day and age when everything you say could easily be recorded?

    But that's probably why. Because it doesn't matter to the other activist types that it's a stupid story. It'll still serve its purpose for as long as they want it to.
    , @snorlax
    IIRC the frat brother at the door was black.
  2. anon • Disclaimer says:

    For people who want to understand the scale of it there’s a map here which links to all – or at least a lot of – the local newspaper reports.

    https://kafircrusaders.wordpress.com/muslim-grooming-paedo-map/

    nb the vast majority of these cases aren’t reported nationally – only locally – so most people have no idea of the true scale.

    nb obviously these are also only the cases that went to trial since 2012 when the story finally got into the media.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    Pakistani rape gangs are absolutely an example of predatory, exploit-any-softness, low-trust people living in high-trust societies that value individualism and the restrained self.

    A toxic clan heritage, marinaded in an intolerant and spiteful religion, and combined with straight-forward racism, has been permitted to hunt freely at a moment when, for various reasons, the west has defended itself badly against those who do not play by the rules.

    So: 1) where Pakistanis and their ilk can do it they will do it 2) there will eventually be a reaction.
    , @berserker
    Thanks. Perhaps one should start mapping incidents in Germany. A dynamic map with time stamps would be informative with each incident linked to local reports. Information about migrant crime is being actively suppressed by the government, so any numbers would be underestimates.
  3. This is off-topic, but you’ve written a bit how the dominant coalition in the Democratic party now is quite distant from the stance of Jefferson & Jackson (which was not the case earlier in the 20th century). Matthew Yglesias recently wrote about the history of that intellectual shift here.

    • Replies: @SFG
    They even got rid of the dinners!

    Then again, the Republican party was formed to oppose slavery, so...
  4. Political Correctness = Rape

    Trump probably knows about Rotherham. Get Trump to say it.

  5. @Anonymous
    ot/ a yale frat racism update

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/11/yale-investigation-finds-no-evidence-of-racism-at-frat-party-alleged-to-have-been-for-white-girls-only/

    I’d love to be a frat leader there and convince the bros to take this position:

    Hey, Ms. Yale Administrator, we didn’t throw such a party and there is no evidence that we did but we want you to move forward on the presumption that we did take such a position and find a rationale to justify your call that Yale administrators have grounds to police the sexual preferences of Yale students. If our frat brothers want to nail white Yale girls, why should we have to admit black women when none of us is interested in nailing a black chick?

    • Replies: @JEGG
    I would like for the issue of whether it's racist to be sexually interested only in members of one race to become a big time front page issue. It may be the only way to get across to the public at large of how ridiculous the overuse of the term racist has become. If you can't sexually respond to a particular race, no amount of diversity training is going to be able to turn this around.
    , @AndrewR

    Mr. Frat Leader,

    If you don't want to nail black chicks then you are forbidden from nailing any chicks.

    Sincerely,

    The President of Yale
     
    Seriously though, although American blacks do not rank even in my list of Top 100 Favorite Ethnic Groups, I would question the heterosexuality of anyone who categorically rejected the idea that any black girls could be hot.
  6. the problem for hbd people is why the other south Asian people like Sikhs and Hindus don’t commit these crimes at the same rate.

    • Replies: @anon
    I don't recall a single HBD person saying that race was simply EVERYTHING. If we did, we would have had to explain why the black homicide rate suddenly shot up in the sixties, when it's not like their genes suddenly changed overnight.
    , @Wilkey
    "the problem for hbd people is why the other south Asian people like Sikhs and Hindus don’t commit these crimes at the same rate."

    Why is that a problem? Present-day Germans are better than Nazi Germans. Present-day Southerners are better than antebellum, slave-holding Southerners. Does anyone here deny that ideology can make people nasty and mean independent of genetics? I don't think so.

    There does seem to be a genetic, HBD element to Islamic fanaticism, to some degree: Arabian and African Muslims seem to be far worse than European and Southeast Asian Muslims.

    Some of the traits exhibited by South Asian Muslims are also pretty strong in South Asians who aren't Muslim: rabid ethnocentrism, for example. In India Muslims and Hindus may be at each other's throats, but in America they often seem to make common cause with each other.
    , @International Jew

    why the other south Asian people like Sikhs and Hindus don’t commit these crimes at the same rate.
     
    Seen from my perspective in the software industry, the average quality of Indian immigrants has declined as we ramped up our rate of intake these last 10-15 years. The Indians I met in the 90s seemed to be a lot more high-achieving -- reasonably corresponding to the official rationale for the H1B program. The more recent arrivals are mostly diploma-mill graduates brought over plainly to replace entry-level Americans.

    Sub-elite Indians in India do nasty things like rampage through Muslim neighborhoods. Expect to see more trouble as their kids here grow up.
    , @hbd chick
    much more close inbreeding (i.e. cousin marriage) among south asian muslims than either hindus or sikhs. see the table here on marriages in india and note the first cousin marriage rates by religion (21.4% for muslims, 8.5% for hindus, 1.2% for sikhs -- that was in the '90s). and know that the rates of cousin marriage in pakistan are on the order of 50%.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    It's because British-Pakistani Muslims are more sexually frustrated. Unmarried Paki girls are kept locked up at home and about half of British Pakis marry their cousin. Not a recipe for sexually contented men. Imagine what your sex life would be like if you married your cousin in your mid 20s. The Hindus and Sikhs have no cousin marriage and less strict constraints on premarital sexual activity. So I'd assume their sex lives are better.

    The other factor is that the Hindus and Sikhs are more middle class. The Pakis have a large percentage of lower income earners who live around subsidized council housing estates. Prostitution is common in these areas. My guess is that a lot of Pakis got involved with prostitution for opportunistic reasons. They saw an opportunity (lower-income girls selling themselves for drugs/alcohol/money) and exploited it. Originally, I bet the Pakis were the clients for white pimps and madams, but then some of the more cunning Pakis decided they could become pimps too.

    When the Labor party came to power in 1997, they made it a lot easier for British Muslims to import brides from back home. That's probably had the effect of increasing the prevalence of cousin marriage and sexually frustrated men.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    I can give you two HDB reasons off the top of my head:

    1. Inbreeding is more culturally acceptable among Muslims than it is among Sikhs and Hindus. Inbreeding being dysgenic, of course.

    2. When Islam first spread to India, a large number of converts were from the Untouchable caste, who were already dysgenic from centuries of selective mating within their caste.
    , @AndrewR
    As has been noted, not only has no serious HBD thinker ever even implied that environmental factors play no role in culture, but these Muslims are probably more inbred than their distant cousins of the Hindu faith. So no, there is no problem here.
    , @ben tillman

    the problem for hbd people is why the other south Asian people like Sikhs and Hindus don’t commit these crimes at the same rate.
     
    You're pointing to an example of human biodiversity. Why would that be a problem for "human biodiversity" people?
  7. Proving, once again, that just looking for ties to terrorism isn’t really going to cut it. I bet every single one of those guys would have been clean as a whistle, legally.

    If anyone wants to read anything really depressing:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2739799/Why-millions-Pakistani-children-falling-prey-vicious-paedophiles.html

  8. You are correct to point out that sexual abuse in the Catholic Church is by gay priests, not so-called “pedophiles.” The media distorts the reality.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    What? Not all gays are pedophiles. Not all gay priests are pedophiles. The abuser priests are pedophiles who happen to be gay. Their pedophilia has nothing to do with their homosexuality.
    , @Jonathan Mason

    You are correct to point out that sexual abuse in the Catholic Church is by gay priests, not so-called “pedophiles.” The media distorts the reality.
     
    I think you are right. Media reports are airily vague in nature about "children being abused by Catholic priests" without making it clear whether these are mostly infants, small children, or adolescents and what proportion are boys and girls. The impression one gets from literature and memoirs from James Joyce to Paul Theroux is that it is mostly male priests and altar boys, not nuns and novices.

    I imagine it has been that way as one of the perks of the job, since the fall of the cult of the Vestal Virgins was replaced with Christianity.

  9. @wolfy
    the problem for hbd people is why the other south Asian people like Sikhs and Hindus don't commit these crimes at the same rate.

    I don’t recall a single HBD person saying that race was simply EVERYTHING. If we did, we would have had to explain why the black homicide rate suddenly shot up in the sixties, when it’s not like their genes suddenly changed overnight.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    "I don’t recall a single HBD person saying that race was simply EVERYTHING. If we did, we would have had to explain why the black homicide rate suddenly shot up in the sixties, when it’s not like their genes suddenly changed overnight."

    Precisely - or the rapid decline in birthrates, which is not entirely explicable by the invention of the pill.

    , @guy
    Muslim groups have far higher rates of inbreeding than their ethnic relatives of different religions, and this could contribute to many of the behavioral problems that we see. However, Islam is the most important factor(if people of African descent are excluded)
    , @Reg Cæsar


    I don’t recall a single HBD person saying that race was simply EVERYTHING. If we did, we would have had to explain why the black homicide rate suddenly shot up in the sixties, when it’s not like their genes suddenly changed overnight.

     

    Or, as I've pointed out a few times here, why today's white bastardy rate is nearly twice the black rate of 1960. That would be rapid genetic collapse. Most of us assume it's environmental.
  10. Political Correctness = Rape

    Same sh*t in collegiate athletics, different country.

    That’s your rape culture, right there.

  11. And it has all happened before.

    See, for example, The Great War on White Slavery, or, Fighting for the Protection of Our Girls, from 1911, which begins:

    When in 1885 William T. Stead published his famous exposé of London immorality and vice in the “Pall Mall Gazette,” and when a few years later at the suggestion of Mr. Charles N. Crittenton, Mrs. Charlton Edholm published her widely circulated book in this country, “The Traffic in Girls,” and when both declared there existed an actual trade in our girls whereby they were trapped, ensnared, and sold into houses of shame, and there virtually imprisoned, the world was shocked and startled, but it gave little heed, and, indeed, did little more than pause long enough to ask “Can these things be true?”

    William T. Stead’s exposé was entitled The Maiden Tribute of Modern Babylon.

    In those days, too, the tendency to look the other way was blamed on the political correctness of the times: the taboo against discussing sex.

    But, after all, they were only working class girls.

    • Agree: Percy Gryce
  12. @wolfy
    the problem for hbd people is why the other south Asian people like Sikhs and Hindus don't commit these crimes at the same rate.

    “the problem for hbd people is why the other south Asian people like Sikhs and Hindus don’t commit these crimes at the same rate.”

    Why is that a problem? Present-day Germans are better than Nazi Germans. Present-day Southerners are better than antebellum, slave-holding Southerners. Does anyone here deny that ideology can make people nasty and mean independent of genetics? I don’t think so.

    There does seem to be a genetic, HBD element to Islamic fanaticism, to some degree: Arabian and African Muslims seem to be far worse than European and Southeast Asian Muslims.

    Some of the traits exhibited by South Asian Muslims are also pretty strong in South Asians who aren’t Muslim: rabid ethnocentrism, for example. In India Muslims and Hindus may be at each other’s throats, but in America they often seem to make common cause with each other.

    • Replies: @rec1man
    BJP type hindus in USA are extremely anti-muslim and have allied with jewish Kahanist organisations in an anti-muslim front

    Many BJP Hindus are active supporters of Pamela Gellar and Robert Spencer

    Many of my UK Hindu friends donated to BNP - Nick Griffin

    Leftist Hindus are pro-muslim
    , @Cryptogenic
    "Present-day Southerners are better than antebellum, slave-holding Southerners."

    Speak for yourself. Cf. Mencken's "The Sahara of the Bozart."
  13. @anon
    I don't recall a single HBD person saying that race was simply EVERYTHING. If we did, we would have had to explain why the black homicide rate suddenly shot up in the sixties, when it's not like their genes suddenly changed overnight.

    “I don’t recall a single HBD person saying that race was simply EVERYTHING. If we did, we would have had to explain why the black homicide rate suddenly shot up in the sixties, when it’s not like their genes suddenly changed overnight.”

    Precisely – or the rapid decline in birthrates, which is not entirely explicable by the invention of the pill.

  14. @anon
    I don't recall a single HBD person saying that race was simply EVERYTHING. If we did, we would have had to explain why the black homicide rate suddenly shot up in the sixties, when it's not like their genes suddenly changed overnight.

    Muslim groups have far higher rates of inbreeding than their ethnic relatives of different religions, and this could contribute to many of the behavioral problems that we see. However, Islam is the most important factor(if people of African descent are excluded)

  15. Here’s another quote from the introduction of the above mentioned book:

    To such grievances as society cannot readily cure, it usually forbids utterance on pain of its scorn; this scorn being only a sort of tinseled cloak to its deformed wickedness

    While they knew how to turn a phrase in the old days, a lot of it is rather sensationalised.

    Off topic aside: speaking of turning a phrase in the old days, Malthus’ original essay on the ‘Principle of Population’ is worth reading, I thought.

  16. • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "OT.

    Check out the Chinese poster for the new Star Wars:"

    I don't see what the big deal is with a black character in Star Wars. The last movies had one: Samuel L. "Loud Black Man" Jackson playing Mace Dindu.
  17. @wolfy
    the problem for hbd people is why the other south Asian people like Sikhs and Hindus don't commit these crimes at the same rate.

    why the other south Asian people like Sikhs and Hindus don’t commit these crimes at the same rate.

    Seen from my perspective in the software industry, the average quality of Indian immigrants has declined as we ramped up our rate of intake these last 10-15 years. The Indians I met in the 90s seemed to be a lot more high-achieving — reasonably corresponding to the official rationale for the H1B program. The more recent arrivals are mostly diploma-mill graduates brought over plainly to replace entry-level Americans.

    Sub-elite Indians in India do nasty things like rampage through Muslim neighborhoods. Expect to see more trouble as their kids here grow up.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Sub-elite Indians in India do nasty things like rampage through Muslim neighborhoods. Expect to see more trouble as their kids here grow up.

     

    Maybe we should let those Indians in-- they'd dissuade the Moslems from coming. Backhanded Trumpism!
    , @anon
    Sub-elite Indians in India do nasty things like rampage through Muslim neighborhoods. Expect to see more trouble as their kids here grow up.

    Don't they typically do that in response to things like the Mumbai bombing? Then, it was their way of making sure the Muslims knew who was in charge. Do they do it other times too, though. I admit my knowledge of what goes on in India is pretty limited.
    , @Erik Sieven
    yes Hindu Indians have a little bit more resistance to dogmatic antiracism than Westerners
    , @Cryptogenic
    "The Indian Genius" is one of the most pernicious modern myths. There are over a billion Indians on the subcontinent, the overwhelming majority of them distinctly not brilliant. Oftentimes just acknowledging matters of scale and over/under-representation is enough to prove a "controversial" HBD point.
  18. @anon
    I don't recall a single HBD person saying that race was simply EVERYTHING. If we did, we would have had to explain why the black homicide rate suddenly shot up in the sixties, when it's not like their genes suddenly changed overnight.

    I don’t recall a single HBD person saying that race was simply EVERYTHING. If we did, we would have had to explain why the black homicide rate suddenly shot up in the sixties, when it’s not like their genes suddenly changed overnight.

    Or, as I’ve pointed out a few times here, why today’s white bastardy rate is nearly twice the black rate of 1960. That would be rapid genetic collapse. Most of us assume it’s environmental.

  19. @International Jew

    why the other south Asian people like Sikhs and Hindus don’t commit these crimes at the same rate.
     
    Seen from my perspective in the software industry, the average quality of Indian immigrants has declined as we ramped up our rate of intake these last 10-15 years. The Indians I met in the 90s seemed to be a lot more high-achieving -- reasonably corresponding to the official rationale for the H1B program. The more recent arrivals are mostly diploma-mill graduates brought over plainly to replace entry-level Americans.

    Sub-elite Indians in India do nasty things like rampage through Muslim neighborhoods. Expect to see more trouble as their kids here grow up.

    Sub-elite Indians in India do nasty things like rampage through Muslim neighborhoods. Expect to see more trouble as their kids here grow up.

    Maybe we should let those Indians in– they’d dissuade the Moslems from coming. Backhanded Trumpism!

  20. anon • Disclaimer says:

    From your Taki’s article:

    As long ago as 2001, Nick Griffin, the leader of the BNP, was making claims about Asian grooming gangs. In 2004 he repeated these allegations in a speech clandestinely recorded by the BBC for a TV documentary, Secret Agent. He was arrested and charged with inciting racial hatred.

    How a British person could live in Britain today, and not be in a state of white-hot rage most of the time, is beyond me.

    In the US, the SJWs would just gang up on you and get you fired from your job, which is bad enough, but to go to jail over it? It must be one of those subtle cultural differences, like eating baked beans for breakfast.

    And outside the Anglosphere, most people don’t seem to have a problem with this kind of thing at all.

    Loretta Lynch wants to make it a crime here too. That would be the end of free speech. There wouldn’t be anywhere in the world anymore where you could say the kind of stuff Nick Griffin said. It bothered me when I first heard about that, but it didn’t really sink in at first. It would be like killing off the last of some majestic endangered species, and all because she wanted to pander to Muslims after they attacked us.

  21. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew

    why the other south Asian people like Sikhs and Hindus don’t commit these crimes at the same rate.
     
    Seen from my perspective in the software industry, the average quality of Indian immigrants has declined as we ramped up our rate of intake these last 10-15 years. The Indians I met in the 90s seemed to be a lot more high-achieving -- reasonably corresponding to the official rationale for the H1B program. The more recent arrivals are mostly diploma-mill graduates brought over plainly to replace entry-level Americans.

    Sub-elite Indians in India do nasty things like rampage through Muslim neighborhoods. Expect to see more trouble as their kids here grow up.

    Sub-elite Indians in India do nasty things like rampage through Muslim neighborhoods. Expect to see more trouble as their kids here grow up.

    Don’t they typically do that in response to things like the Mumbai bombing? Then, it was their way of making sure the Muslims knew who was in charge. Do they do it other times too, though. I admit my knowledge of what goes on in India is pretty limited.

    • Replies: @epebble
    I think there is a lot of latent hatred for Islam and Muslims due to hundreds of years of Dhimmitude suffered and also due to violence due to partition. This is very similar to Jewish attitudes towards Islam/Muslims and current/future attitudes of U.S. non-Muslims towards Islam & Muslims.

    This is an excellent article on the origins of hate (of Americans toward Islam) http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/428349/hidden-reason-why-americans-dislike-islam-david-french
    , @Travis
    A 50-year-old man in northern India has been killed in a mob lynching allegedly over rumours that his family had been consuming beef at home.

    Mr Akhlaq, a farm worker, was asleep next to his son when a mob burst in wielding sticks, swords and pistols. The villagers accused the nine-member family of having slaughtered and consumed a cow. Mr Akhlaq and his son were beaten with bricks, kicked and stabbed repeatedly.

    The incident happened in a village, near the Indian capital, Delhi. Some meat found in the fridge was held to be proof that beef had been eaten. Later, tests confirmed it was goat meat not beef.

    http://time.com/4060906/dadri-lynching-beef-bisara-mohammad-akhlaq/
  22. Hey, speaking of rape, this is the type of case you guys have ASSURED ME the media makes into wall-to-wall news; What gives?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/daniel-holtzclaw-and-the-reality-of-police-brutality-against-black-women_566b0b4ee4b080eddf580671

    • Replies: @anon
    They can call him white in the newspapers but he doesn't look white enough for TV.

    I guess they learned their lesson after assuming someone with a name like Zimmerman would be white.

    good attempted deflection though - well not really - in either sense of the word
    , @Reg Cæsar
    I can think of three reasons they'd sit on this story:

    The guy can plead insanity-- after all, he's going to bed, or floor or wall, with a string of black women he doesn't know. Most of us don't want to go there.

    Maybe he's white, but he looks a lot like Jon Gosselin in that photo. Would that make him a "white Korean"?

    Finally, a rapist cop… Hmmm, does that remind us of any recent office holders inexplicably popular with Journolist types? Who happen to be married to other recent office holders just as popular?

    That's the last thing they want to bring to the public mind right now!
    , @Kudzu Bob
    Nope, he's a hapa. His own father is genetically closer to any random white he happens to pass on the street than to this guy.

    Better luck next time, Twoof.

    , @anon
    Missed it by THAT much (--> | | <--), Truth!
  23. @Truth
    Hey, speaking of rape, this is the type of case you guys have ASSURED ME the media makes into wall-to-wall news; What gives?


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/daniel-holtzclaw-and-the-reality-of-police-brutality-against-black-women_566b0b4ee4b080eddf580671

    They can call him white in the newspapers but he doesn’t look white enough for TV.

    I guess they learned their lesson after assuming someone with a name like Zimmerman would be white.

    good attempted deflection though – well not really – in either sense of the word

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    His dad is white and his mom is apparently Japanese.

    http://www.whio.com/ap/ap/oklahoma/oklahoma-ex-cop-guilty-of-18-counts-in-sex-assault/pCtrCb/
    , @Truth
    What "lesson" did the press learn with Zimmerman? I'm not following?
    , @ben tillman

    I guess they learned their lesson after assuming someone with a name like Zimmerman would be white.
     
    They didn't presume he was white because of his name; they presumed it because the police report said he was white.
  24. @anon
    Sub-elite Indians in India do nasty things like rampage through Muslim neighborhoods. Expect to see more trouble as their kids here grow up.

    Don't they typically do that in response to things like the Mumbai bombing? Then, it was their way of making sure the Muslims knew who was in charge. Do they do it other times too, though. I admit my knowledge of what goes on in India is pretty limited.

    I think there is a lot of latent hatred for Islam and Muslims due to hundreds of years of Dhimmitude suffered and also due to violence due to partition. This is very similar to Jewish attitudes towards Islam/Muslims and current/future attitudes of U.S. non-Muslims towards Islam & Muslims.

    This is an excellent article on the origins of hate (of Americans toward Islam) http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/428349/hidden-reason-why-americans-dislike-islam-david-french

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    They didn't call them sandniззers for nothing. (Or was that the "first" Gulf War"?)

    Note, too, that Likud's electoral strength comes from the segment with the longest family memories of life among the Arabs. No Frankfurt School fluff for them.
  25. @wolfy
    the problem for hbd people is why the other south Asian people like Sikhs and Hindus don't commit these crimes at the same rate.

    much more close inbreeding (i.e. cousin marriage) among south asian muslims than either hindus or sikhs. see the table here on marriages in india and note the first cousin marriage rates by religion (21.4% for muslims, 8.5% for hindus, 1.2% for sikhs — that was in the ’90s). and know that the rates of cousin marriage in pakistan are on the order of 50%.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    Islam offered a way out for lower caste Hindus. Lower quality source material. Hindus still don't match up to Parsis either.
  26. @Wilkey
    "the problem for hbd people is why the other south Asian people like Sikhs and Hindus don’t commit these crimes at the same rate."

    Why is that a problem? Present-day Germans are better than Nazi Germans. Present-day Southerners are better than antebellum, slave-holding Southerners. Does anyone here deny that ideology can make people nasty and mean independent of genetics? I don't think so.

    There does seem to be a genetic, HBD element to Islamic fanaticism, to some degree: Arabian and African Muslims seem to be far worse than European and Southeast Asian Muslims.

    Some of the traits exhibited by South Asian Muslims are also pretty strong in South Asians who aren't Muslim: rabid ethnocentrism, for example. In India Muslims and Hindus may be at each other's throats, but in America they often seem to make common cause with each other.

    BJP type hindus in USA are extremely anti-muslim and have allied with jewish Kahanist organisations in an anti-muslim front

    Many BJP Hindus are active supporters of Pamela Gellar and Robert Spencer

    Many of my UK Hindu friends donated to BNP – Nick Griffin

    Leftist Hindus are pro-muslim

    • Replies: @SFG
    I had...never heard this. Once they're here they seem to melt into an undifferentiated 'brown' mass, largely because Americans can't tell the difference (and ran around attacking Sikh and Hindu temples as a result, which I think is awful).

    It is true Israel and India are friends for the obvious reason (common enemy), and Hindu Americans seem to hold Jews in high regard (basically using them as a template for their own community's road to success, largely successfully from what I've seen), but I've never heard of a united front. Is this a British thing?
    , @epebble
    so BJP ~ 'Republican'/'Trump' and Leftist Hindu ~ 'Democrat'/Clintonista ?
  27. @Truth
    Hey, speaking of rape, this is the type of case you guys have ASSURED ME the media makes into wall-to-wall news; What gives?


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/daniel-holtzclaw-and-the-reality-of-police-brutality-against-black-women_566b0b4ee4b080eddf580671

    I can think of three reasons they’d sit on this story:

    The guy can plead insanity– after all, he’s going to bed, or floor or wall, with a string of black women he doesn’t know. Most of us don’t want to go there.

    Maybe he’s white, but he looks a lot like Jon Gosselin in that photo. Would that make him a “white Korean”?

    Finally, a rapist cop… Hmmm, does that remind us of any recent office holders inexplicably popular with Journolist types? Who happen to be married to other recent office holders just as popular?

    That’s the last thing they want to bring to the public mind right now!

  28. @anon
    Sub-elite Indians in India do nasty things like rampage through Muslim neighborhoods. Expect to see more trouble as their kids here grow up.

    Don't they typically do that in response to things like the Mumbai bombing? Then, it was their way of making sure the Muslims knew who was in charge. Do they do it other times too, though. I admit my knowledge of what goes on in India is pretty limited.

    A 50-year-old man in northern India has been killed in a mob lynching allegedly over rumours that his family had been consuming beef at home.

    Mr Akhlaq, a farm worker, was asleep next to his son when a mob burst in wielding sticks, swords and pistols. The villagers accused the nine-member family of having slaughtered and consumed a cow. Mr Akhlaq and his son were beaten with bricks, kicked and stabbed repeatedly.

    The incident happened in a village, near the Indian capital, Delhi. Some meat found in the fridge was held to be proof that beef had been eaten. Later, tests confirmed it was goat meat not beef.

    http://time.com/4060906/dadri-lynching-beef-bisara-mohammad-akhlaq/

    • Replies: @anon
    OK. Well, I guess that answers that. Thanks. I had no idea.
  29. Those old books on white slavery are probably dismissed, these days, as Victorian prudery against prostitution, or even against women’s sexual freedom, and the exaggeration of the innocence of the girls and force used to keep them in prostituion as mere propaganda towards that end. Given the parallels with the muslim abuse of white girls today, I am inclined to give the anti-white slavery activists more of the benefit of doubt.

    From The Traffic in Girls, 1900:

    Thousands of young, innocent girls are trapped each year and sold like cattle to the highest bidder, and by promises of good positions, misrepresentation, cajolery, threats, fake marriages, coercion, persuasion, drugging, gentle means, and brutal force, lured into a life of shame. They are guarded watched, beaten, threatened, ruined, robbed, and they are driven into an early age. Hundreds of fiends in the form of men are engaged in this form of work.

    We know that many of the english girls, even if—having been bribed and cajoled—they were knowing and willing at first, were later threatened, forced and drugged. Neither do I, like a Victorian, think it was right even if they were knowing and willing.

    Until recently, business men and the plain people generally could not believe that systematic commerce in women and girls existed. Missionaries and prosecutors who sounded the alarm were thought to be suffereing from an overheated imagination or possibly seeking notoriety and free advertising.

    At least they weren’t, as Nick Griffin was, brought up on criminal charges for trying to draw attention to it.

  30. @anon
    They can call him white in the newspapers but he doesn't look white enough for TV.

    I guess they learned their lesson after assuming someone with a name like Zimmerman would be white.

    good attempted deflection though - well not really - in either sense of the word
    • Replies: @anon
    and he doesn't look white.
    , @Anonymous

    His dad is white and his mom is apparently Japanese.

    http://www.whio.com/ap/ap/oklahoma/oklahoma-ex-cop-guilty-of-18-counts-in-sex-assault/pCtrCb/
     
    Wow, is that his mother?? She looks young! Holtzclaw played linebacker at Eastern Michigan from 2005-2008 and was the second leading tackler in team history.
  31. @epebble
    I think there is a lot of latent hatred for Islam and Muslims due to hundreds of years of Dhimmitude suffered and also due to violence due to partition. This is very similar to Jewish attitudes towards Islam/Muslims and current/future attitudes of U.S. non-Muslims towards Islam & Muslims.

    This is an excellent article on the origins of hate (of Americans toward Islam) http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/428349/hidden-reason-why-americans-dislike-islam-david-french

    They didn’t call them sandniззers for nothing. (Or was that the “first” Gulf War”?)

    Note, too, that Likud’s electoral strength comes from the segment with the longest family memories of life among the Arabs. No Frankfurt School fluff for them.

  32. @wolfy
    the problem for hbd people is why the other south Asian people like Sikhs and Hindus don't commit these crimes at the same rate.

    It’s because British-Pakistani Muslims are more sexually frustrated. Unmarried Paki girls are kept locked up at home and about half of British Pakis marry their cousin. Not a recipe for sexually contented men. Imagine what your sex life would be like if you married your cousin in your mid 20s. The Hindus and Sikhs have no cousin marriage and less strict constraints on premarital sexual activity. So I’d assume their sex lives are better.

    The other factor is that the Hindus and Sikhs are more middle class. The Pakis have a large percentage of lower income earners who live around subsidized council housing estates. Prostitution is common in these areas. My guess is that a lot of Pakis got involved with prostitution for opportunistic reasons. They saw an opportunity (lower-income girls selling themselves for drugs/alcohol/money) and exploited it. Originally, I bet the Pakis were the clients for white pimps and madams, but then some of the more cunning Pakis decided they could become pimps too.

    When the Labor party came to power in 1997, they made it a lot easier for British Muslims to import brides from back home. That’s probably had the effect of increasing the prevalence of cousin marriage and sexually frustrated men.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/uk-muslim-abducts-rapes-woman-you-white-women-are-good-at-it

    This whole sexual frustration bit is overblown. According to Islam infidel women are fair game. It is not wrong in their religion, part of the spoils of Jihad. Seriously, why not just read the Koran? It is shorter than the New Testament.
    , @anon
    Cousin marriage has two effects on this imo.

    1) It seems to make people tighter with their in-group but more hostile to out-groups. This is the hbd part.

    2) Enforcing very strict cousin marriage requires a lot of cultural control on the women. So all these cultural behaviors: FGM, honor killing etc are a part of that cultural control. Another aspect of that control mechanism is it's considered okay to rape a woman who isn't covered up adequately or a woman who is outside on her own without a male relative.

    also

    3) I don't think it technically applies outside of open war situations like Isis but the Koran says it's okay to rape non-muslim women as part of jihad. However this may be more of an excuse than a reason imo.
  33. @Truth
    Hey, speaking of rape, this is the type of case you guys have ASSURED ME the media makes into wall-to-wall news; What gives?


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/daniel-holtzclaw-and-the-reality-of-police-brutality-against-black-women_566b0b4ee4b080eddf580671

    Nope, he’s a hapa. His own father is genetically closer to any random white he happens to pass on the street than to this guy.

    Better luck next time, Twoof.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    Kudzu Bob, good to see you.
  34. @Kudzu Bob
    Nope, he's a hapa. His own father is genetically closer to any random white he happens to pass on the street than to this guy.

    Better luck next time, Twoof.

    Kudzu Bob, good to see you.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Welcome back.
  35. sexual abuse by gay Catholic priests in the Boston archdiocese

    No Behind Left Behind

  36. @Truth
    Hey, speaking of rape, this is the type of case you guys have ASSURED ME the media makes into wall-to-wall news; What gives?


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/daniel-holtzclaw-and-the-reality-of-police-brutality-against-black-women_566b0b4ee4b080eddf580671

    Missed it by THAT much (–> | | <–), Truth!

  37. The US has the opportunity to learn from the UK example and prevent it happening.

    (Although it almost certainly happening already in places like Dearborn where the percentage is already high enough.)

    • Replies: @JimboHarambe
    Dearborn is 40% Arab but most of them are Christians from Lebanon. I live near Dearborn and actually it's a pretty nice place (lot nicer than nearby Detroit).
  38. @JohnnyWalker123
    His dad is white and his mom is apparently Japanese.

    http://www.whio.com/ap/ap/oklahoma/oklahoma-ex-cop-guilty-of-18-counts-in-sex-assault/pCtrCb/

    and he doesn’t look white.

  39. @Anonymous
    ot/ a yale frat racism update

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/11/yale-investigation-finds-no-evidence-of-racism-at-frat-party-alleged-to-have-been-for-white-girls-only/

    @gunther

    Regarding the Yale frat party alleged racism, it should be obvious to anyone paying attention that this is all agitprop.

    UVA, Mizzou, Yale, Rowan, Harvard Law, all of it.

    It serves two purposes. One is the traditonal function of agitprop: creating false incidents in order to implement measures that wouldn’t be otherwise. The second is to serve as a filter. Any people, groups and mass media that accept these incidents as real are allies, anyone who doesn’t is the enemy.

  40. @Travis
    A 50-year-old man in northern India has been killed in a mob lynching allegedly over rumours that his family had been consuming beef at home.

    Mr Akhlaq, a farm worker, was asleep next to his son when a mob burst in wielding sticks, swords and pistols. The villagers accused the nine-member family of having slaughtered and consumed a cow. Mr Akhlaq and his son were beaten with bricks, kicked and stabbed repeatedly.

    The incident happened in a village, near the Indian capital, Delhi. Some meat found in the fridge was held to be proof that beef had been eaten. Later, tests confirmed it was goat meat not beef.

    http://time.com/4060906/dadri-lynching-beef-bisara-mohammad-akhlaq/

    OK. Well, I guess that answers that. Thanks. I had no idea.

  41. Political correctness = terrorism.

    Breitbart had an article about a whistleblower who claims he would have stopped the San Bernardino terrorism, but he was shut down before he could.

    The article needs editing, but here is one part:

    This Deobandi network had a branch in San Bernardino, which rang bells with Haney the moment he saw news reports about a terrorist attack there.

    I found that individuals who were in the case, from three years ago, had come to that mosque. So, if I had still been active duty, working on the case, and everything had been going as it was, I would have linked that mosque to the initiative, simply because people that were already in the database were going there. Therefore, either Syed would have been put on the no-fly list, because of his close affiliation with it, or his pending fiancee would not have been given a visa, because she was affiliated with somebody who was tied to that mosque.

    But he wasn’t on the case any more… because his initiative was deemed politically incorrect and shut down by the Department of Homeland Security’s Civil Rights and Civil Liberties division.

    “They came into the National Targeting Center, either physically or through emails and correspondence, and said that we could not develop cases based on association with Tablighi Jamaat, and/or any Islamic group,” Haney revealed.

    He charged this decision, which runs counter to the very purpose of the Department of Homeland Security and its charter to demolish the wall of separation between law enforcement agencies, was made because “this Administration is more concerned about the civil rights and civil liberties of foreign Islamic groups and foreign nationals than securing the freedom and security of the American public.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/11/dhs-whistleblower-philip-haney-p-c-killed-investigation-might-stopped-san-bernardino-attack/

  42. I reread my previous comments.
    Pro tip: If you want to revise a sentence, delete it and start anew. If you try to revise it piecemeal you’ll inevitably screw up your grammar and muddle your meaning.

  43. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    ot/ a yale frat racism update

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/11/yale-investigation-finds-no-evidence-of-racism-at-frat-party-alleged-to-have-been-for-white-girls-only/

    It was kind of stupid to investigate anyway. I mean, what kind of proof could there have been even if it was true? Unless the bouncer or whoever admitted it, they’d never be able to prove it anyway.

    Of course, the BLM types realize this. It’ll go down in their mythology and stay there forever. They’ll still claim it happened, but it just couldn’t be proven one way or the other.

    I always wonder why people would make up stories so dumb. Could anyone at Yale really be so stupid as to ADMIT that they were not allowing black people in, in a day and age when everything you say could easily be recorded?

    But that’s probably why. Because it doesn’t matter to the other activist types that it’s a stupid story. It’ll still serve its purpose for as long as they want it to.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    I'll bet they said "hot chicks only". Sounds similar and could have a similar effect depending on the makeup of the crowd. I guarantee some ugly white girls didn't get in either. Anyone who has ever been to a nightclub with a velvet rope knows this score.

    And the plain girls would be just as disgusted. Another example of Steve's argument on retconning.
  44. @International Jew

    why the other south Asian people like Sikhs and Hindus don’t commit these crimes at the same rate.
     
    Seen from my perspective in the software industry, the average quality of Indian immigrants has declined as we ramped up our rate of intake these last 10-15 years. The Indians I met in the 90s seemed to be a lot more high-achieving -- reasonably corresponding to the official rationale for the H1B program. The more recent arrivals are mostly diploma-mill graduates brought over plainly to replace entry-level Americans.

    Sub-elite Indians in India do nasty things like rampage through Muslim neighborhoods. Expect to see more trouble as their kids here grow up.

    yes Hindu Indians have a little bit more resistance to dogmatic antiracism than Westerners

  45. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    As I said before, in the long run ‘PC will eat itself’, just as ‘pop’ has ‘eaten itself’.

    Basically all that PC amounts, when you strip out the bullshit, is for women, blacks, gays, lesbians, Pakistanis etc etc etc to gang up against heterosexual white men as a political bloc – the movement has always been the handmaiden, if you will, of modern leftism, in order to strip the said straight white men of any ‘wealth, power and influence’ they might have, and then to redistribute the said goodies amongst themselves.
    In essence, it’s just a straight forward zero-sum game, command and conquest, and all that, the sort of thing that Genghis Khan, Flashman, the barnyard rooster or even George Orwell himself would have instantly and instinctively recognised.
    – Animal pecking order behavior. No more, no less.

    Anyhow, the grand scheme came unstuck in Rotherham, just like it will do, inevitabally, everywhere else dumb and pussy whipped enough – Sweden, I’m looking at you – to let the madness run riot.
    Eventually the sacralized groups will fall out amongst themselves – and the white man Devil will be nowhere to be seen or blamed.
    Consequently, the ‘more victim than thou’ mantra – the basis of all PC, will be invoked.
    Alas, PC has no solution to ‘more victim than thou’, so fatal impasses – and the consequent tyranny – are a built in feature.

  46. @JohnnyWalker123
    It's because British-Pakistani Muslims are more sexually frustrated. Unmarried Paki girls are kept locked up at home and about half of British Pakis marry their cousin. Not a recipe for sexually contented men. Imagine what your sex life would be like if you married your cousin in your mid 20s. The Hindus and Sikhs have no cousin marriage and less strict constraints on premarital sexual activity. So I'd assume their sex lives are better.

    The other factor is that the Hindus and Sikhs are more middle class. The Pakis have a large percentage of lower income earners who live around subsidized council housing estates. Prostitution is common in these areas. My guess is that a lot of Pakis got involved with prostitution for opportunistic reasons. They saw an opportunity (lower-income girls selling themselves for drugs/alcohol/money) and exploited it. Originally, I bet the Pakis were the clients for white pimps and madams, but then some of the more cunning Pakis decided they could become pimps too.

    When the Labor party came to power in 1997, they made it a lot easier for British Muslims to import brides from back home. That's probably had the effect of increasing the prevalence of cousin marriage and sexually frustrated men.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/uk-muslim-abducts-rapes-woman-you-white-women-are-good-at-it

    This whole sexual frustration bit is overblown. According to Islam infidel women are fair game. It is not wrong in their religion, part of the spoils of Jihad. Seriously, why not just read the Koran? It is shorter than the New Testament.

  47. Some of the crimes go all the way back to the 1980s.

    They go right back to the first arrival of enrichers in the UK. They may have begun on an industrial scale in the 1980s, once the enrichers realized the authorities, feminists and child-welfare agencies were on their side.

    First, there’s not much evidence that Rotherham is unusual, other than that it was the first city in England to publish an honest inquiry into what has been going on all over England for decades.

    Rotherham isn’t a city, it’s a town. In proper cities, the same thing has happened on a bigger scale. After the staunch Friend of Israel Denis MacShane, Labour MP for Rotherham, was jailed for fraud, he was replaced by a woman, who said this:

    There could be up to a million victims of child sexual exploitation in the UK, it is feared. Rotherham’s Labour MP Sarah Champion describes it as a “national disaster” and is demanding a taskforce to fight the “horror.” In an exclusive interview with the Daily Mirror the shaken MP has told how she ‘nearly lost her mind’ after victims turned to her for help – unable to trust the police or local council.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/child-sex-abuse-gangs-could-5114029

    In Birmingham, for example:

    Child sexual exploitation (CSE) in the West Midlands had “significant similarities” with patterns of abuse in Rotherham, a report said. West Midlands Police’s report said 210 young people had been identified as victims or at risk of CSE between January and June 2014. It was put together last year, but has just been released following a freedom of information request. Last month, a separate report said the figures could actually be much higher. Led by Stephen Rimmer, a former Home Office director general, and commissioned by seven local authorities in Birmingham and the Black Country, as well as the police, it found up to 500 children could be at risk.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-32547630

    It’s far, far more than 500. The same is true of Sheffield, Manchester and London. And guess what? Among those who should be prosecuted and hanged for their part in these crimes, there’s a fast-talking Scotch-Irish woman:

    The author of report into gang sex abuse today hit back at government criticism of her findings that there was no particular problem among Asian groups. The study by deputy children’s commissioner Sue Berelowitz came to the controversial conclusion, despite figures in her own report revealing that more than a quarter of perpetrators of gang-based child abuse known to the authorities are Asian. Senior Whitehall figures have branded the report ‘hysterical’ and ‘highly emotional’. Last night a Government source said it was ‘difficult to overstate the contempt’ with which ministers viewed the report’s conclusions. And the NSPCC said the report exposed the danger of ‘turning a blind eye’ to the ethnicity of abusers. Miss Berelowitz said the ‘model’ of Asian men targeting white girls was just one of ‘a number of models’, and warned that if investigators concentrated on those patterns, victims could fall through the net. And today she challenged ministers to take her report seriously, warning them it was a ‘wake-up call’.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2236045/Anger-sex-abuse-report-Sue-Berelowitz-turns-blind-eye-Asian-gangs.html

    More on Sue the Scotch-Irish:

    Sue Berelowitz, the former deputy children’s commissioner, has been forced to leave her lucrative consultancy job after it emerged that her £960-a-day contract breached government rules. The child protection chief has had her contract with the Office of the Children’s Commissioner (OCC) cancelled because Whitehall rules require any spending on consultants of over £20,000 to be approved by the Cabinet Office. Ms Berelowitz stood down from her £99,332-a-year post on April 30 after taking voluntary redundancy.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11645002/Child-safety-chief-stripped-of-lucrative-consultancy-contract.html

  48. @Anonymous
    ot/ a yale frat racism update

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/11/yale-investigation-finds-no-evidence-of-racism-at-frat-party-alleged-to-have-been-for-white-girls-only/

    IIRC the frat brother at the door was black.

  49. @anon
    They can call him white in the newspapers but he doesn't look white enough for TV.

    I guess they learned their lesson after assuming someone with a name like Zimmerman would be white.

    good attempted deflection though - well not really - in either sense of the word

    What “lesson” did the press learn with Zimmerman? I’m not following?

    • Replies: @CK
    They forgot that the famous Zimmerman telegram was sent to Mexico. They remembered the German name only.
  50. @anon
    For people who want to understand the scale of it there's a map here which links to all - or at least a lot of - the local newspaper reports.

    https://kafircrusaders.wordpress.com/muslim-grooming-paedo-map/

    nb the vast majority of these cases aren't reported nationally - only locally - so most people have no idea of the true scale.

    nb obviously these are also only the cases that went to trial since 2012 when the story finally got into the media.

    Pakistani rape gangs are absolutely an example of predatory, exploit-any-softness, low-trust people living in high-trust societies that value individualism and the restrained self.

    A toxic clan heritage, marinaded in an intolerant and spiteful religion, and combined with straight-forward racism, has been permitted to hunt freely at a moment when, for various reasons, the west has defended itself badly against those who do not play by the rules.

    So: 1) where Pakistanis and their ilk can do it they will do it 2) there will eventually be a reaction.

  51. @anon
    The US has the opportunity to learn from the UK example and prevent it happening.

    (Although it almost certainly happening already in places like Dearborn where the percentage is already high enough.)

    Dearborn is 40% Arab but most of them are Christians from Lebanon. I live near Dearborn and actually it’s a pretty nice place (lot nicer than nearby Detroit).

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Almost anywhere in the world is nicer than Detroit. At least anywhere in the world without many of the coethnics of the majority population of Detroit.

    Dearborn is nicer than Detroit because Beirut is nicer than Detroit. But that really is not saying much at all.
  52. @anon
    For people who want to understand the scale of it there's a map here which links to all - or at least a lot of - the local newspaper reports.

    https://kafircrusaders.wordpress.com/muslim-grooming-paedo-map/

    nb the vast majority of these cases aren't reported nationally - only locally - so most people have no idea of the true scale.

    nb obviously these are also only the cases that went to trial since 2012 when the story finally got into the media.

    Thanks. Perhaps one should start mapping incidents in Germany. A dynamic map with time stamps would be informative with each incident linked to local reports. Information about migrant crime is being actively suppressed by the government, so any numbers would be underestimates.

  53. @Kylie
    Kudzu Bob, good to see you.

    Welcome back.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    I take it you were addressing Kudzu Bob.

    IIRC, he was busy on a project and said he'd be back when he had more time. I hope so.
  54. @TangoMan
    I'd love to be a frat leader there and convince the bros to take this position:

    Hey, Ms. Yale Administrator, we didn't throw such a party and there is no evidence that we did but we want you to move forward on the presumption that we did take such a position and find a rationale to justify your call that Yale administrators have grounds to police the sexual preferences of Yale students. If our frat brothers want to nail white Yale girls, why should we have to admit black women when none of us is interested in nailing a black chick?
     

    I would like for the issue of whether it’s racist to be sexually interested only in members of one race to become a big time front page issue. It may be the only way to get across to the public at large of how ridiculous the overuse of the term racist has become. If you can’t sexually respond to a particular race, no amount of diversity training is going to be able to turn this around.

  55. @TGGP
    This is off-topic, but you've written a bit how the dominant coalition in the Democratic party now is quite distant from the stance of Jefferson & Jackson (which was not the case earlier in the 20th century). Matthew Yglesias recently wrote about the history of that intellectual shift here.

    They even got rid of the dinners!

    Then again, the Republican party was formed to oppose slavery, so…

    • Replies: @Ivy
    You could also do a whole routine on all the Unz writers and readers that didn't get a dinner.

    Ron Unz, who bankrolled the whole deal, didn't get a dinner.
    Steve Sailer, who persevered in obscurity for years in the face of great odds and Progressive invective, didn't get a dinner.
    JayMan, who introduced so many to popular genetics, didn't get a dinner.
    Derbyshire, Karlin, Khan, et al, who keep us amused and agitated at the same time, didn't get a dinner.
    Syon, IJ, Priss, Reg, Truth, Whiskey and countless others of us, we get to wash the dishes.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Then again, the Republican party was formed to oppose slavery, so…

     

    Actually, it was formed to combat "those twin relics of barbarism
    — Polygamy, and Slavery."

    That's right out of the 1856 platform:

    www.ushistory.org/gop/convention_1856republicanplatform.htm
  56. @wolfy
    the problem for hbd people is why the other south Asian people like Sikhs and Hindus don't commit these crimes at the same rate.

    I can give you two HDB reasons off the top of my head:

    1. Inbreeding is more culturally acceptable among Muslims than it is among Sikhs and Hindus. Inbreeding being dysgenic, of course.

    2. When Islam first spread to India, a large number of converts were from the Untouchable caste, who were already dysgenic from centuries of selective mating within their caste.

  57. @rec1man
    BJP type hindus in USA are extremely anti-muslim and have allied with jewish Kahanist organisations in an anti-muslim front

    Many BJP Hindus are active supporters of Pamela Gellar and Robert Spencer

    Many of my UK Hindu friends donated to BNP - Nick Griffin

    Leftist Hindus are pro-muslim

    I had…never heard this. Once they’re here they seem to melt into an undifferentiated ‘brown’ mass, largely because Americans can’t tell the difference (and ran around attacking Sikh and Hindu temples as a result, which I think is awful).

    It is true Israel and India are friends for the obvious reason (common enemy), and Hindu Americans seem to hold Jews in high regard (basically using them as a template for their own community’s road to success, largely successfully from what I’ve seen), but I’ve never heard of a united front. Is this a British thing?

    • Replies: @rec1man
    One of the closest associates of Pam Gellar and Robert Spencer was the late Narain Kataria, a senior leader of Overseas Friends of BJP - Narain got driven out of Pakistan in 1948 and knows muslim tendencies

    Narain, obituary was put up on the website of both Pam Gellar and Jihadwatch

    The VHP ( religious wing of BJP ) has a strong overseas branch in many countries from Myanmar to UK to Canada to USA ( VHP-America )

    So Hindu kids go to weekend sunday school, summer camps and hopefully get the facts of life regarding muslims explained to them

    Most congress type hindus are leftist and pro-Muslim

    In UK, a Sikh joined the BNP to prove it wasnt a racist party

    In UK, and India, there is a lot of sexual predation by muslims on Hindu and Sikh and Christian girls, called
    Love Jihad ( grooming ) - and wherever BJP is strong, there are reprisals - Some BJP activists in India, when they catch these Love Jihadi have made them actually eat sh*t

    In parts of South India, the Christians have aligned with BJP to stop love jihad

    Very few Hindus or Sikhs socialise with muslims anywhere in the world
    Most Hindus , Sikhs, Jains, Christians, wont even rent to a muslim all over India
  58. The name of Rotherham would be known to every British person, because the soccer team Rotherham United has its name read out every week in the football results, and has done since 1925.

    Rotherham is virtually a suburb of Sheffield, and as such was at the epicenter of the now virtually defunct British steel industry, so now the area has falled on hard times.

    Basically the whole shenanigan concerns delinquent teenage girls who were nominally under the care of the local authority, but were actually running wild and presumably relying on local immigrant taxi drivers to transport them in exchange for, well, whatever means of exchange they had.

    The situation seems to have been made worse by local social workers basically turning a blind eye on the questionable grounds of assuming that the girls had already made a career choice to be prostitutes and they should be supported in their choices, as was deemed to be politically correct. Presumably they will have been advised about contraception.

    Whether the numbers have been exaggerated, I do not know, (I kind of suspect it), but it seems probable that this pattern of behavior has been widespread across the country, especially in socially deprived areas with a lot of unemployment. However I can remember encountering similar setups in England as long ago as the 1960’s involving runaway teenage girls, train drivers, and so on.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Jonathan, you creep me out. Perhaps you should read the report one more time.
  59. One thing you notice about a lot of the Paki groomers is that they don’t look particularly handsome,
    tough, or stylish. Lots of them look like older men with limited fashion sense, even more limited looks, and pudgy bodies. Not stereotypical pimps.

    Compare them to American pimps.

    Go to 8:20.

  60. Perhaps what needs to be investigated more is not so much the ethnicity of pimps, but the connection between cab drivers and private hire companies and prostitutes, not just in Rotherham, but worldwide. For example in many tourist destinations, strip clubs and brothels will offer commissions to taxi drivers who bring in customers. Call girls usually rely on trusted drivers to transport them to appointments and look out for their security.

  61. The link here is to a story about reforms regarding the licensing of taxi drivers in Rotherham.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-29729574

  62. @JohnnyWalker123
    His dad is white and his mom is apparently Japanese.

    http://www.whio.com/ap/ap/oklahoma/oklahoma-ex-cop-guilty-of-18-counts-in-sex-assault/pCtrCb/

    His dad is white and his mom is apparently Japanese.

    http://www.whio.com/ap/ap/oklahoma/oklahoma-ex-cop-guilty-of-18-counts-in-sex-assault/pCtrCb/

    Wow, is that his mother?? She looks young! Holtzclaw played linebacker at Eastern Michigan from 2005-2008 and was the second leading tackler in team history.

    • Replies: @5371
    It must have been in his football days that he got hooked on black women.
  63. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I am not surprised you hadn’t heard of Rotherham. I lived there for several years. It is unremarkable in lots of ways in being a mid-size northern England town whose former heavy industry — mining and steel — had long since disappeared. Today the population, which is mostly unemployed (and some definitely unemployable) whites, has large groups of muslims who in the tradition of their kind devote their time to not integrating and running their own businesses to provide for their own kind. I have seen dirty vans going round selling meat and vegetables from the back, and only calling at muslim houses.

    The white locals do not think much of the muslims (I have been spat at on the street by one for not reason other than he could) and the Pakistani-origin males employ themselves driving taxis or running, as mentioned, muslim-preferred businesses. White young women, for some reason no one of my age can understand, seem to be attracted to the relatively uncultured muslim males and seem to think they make good sexual partners or even husbands, whereupon they must obey the rules by covering their hair and legs and following the man around a couple of paces behind.

    I know of a girl who was murdered for wanting to tell her Pakistani-origin boyfriend’s family that she was pregnant (family honour must be preserved, even if life isn’t) while I also know of at least one case where the Rotherham social services thought a child fostered by a (white) couple should have the child removed from their care because these parents ‘went to church’ and that was judged by these (white, dhimmi-loving officials) as a toxic environment. This is the same social services set-up that somehow failed to notice the ongoing open and widespread abuse of young females in their care (and equally had the ability to ignore complaints by worried people) by mostly muslim men, for well over ten years.

    It is also place where the police were quick to arrest a white girl who recognised one of her abusers on the street and shouted at him, charging her with ‘disturbing the peace’ while the abuser walked away untroubled. But then, he was a muslim and the whole thrust of the town’s socialist, Labour-controlled council is to praise muslims no matter what they do and turn their gaze away from any anti-social behaviour by Pakistani-origin men.

    I was also told of a case where a normal, healthy young muslim female was sent to Pakistan by her ‘caring’ family to marry a retarded male and have him brought back to the UK where he can live on benefits. One can imagine that her life now is less than ideal, but as it was agreed between families what did it matter what she wanted?

    Rotherham is just one of many northern English (and therefore largely impoverished) places who has to put up with this sort of thing. All over the north former industrial and mining towns now have large populations of muslims, the men of which are denied contact with their own women so they turn to the available option of teen girls in social care with no one seemingly bothered about protecting the white females.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    As you said, Rotherham was a town built on mining and steel.
    During the boom years of the 1960s, presumably, the mining and steel industries were short of labor.

    Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty damned certain that *not one single first generation immigrant Pakistani man to Rotherham, or any other Pakistani, for that matter, ever worked down a coal pit in Rotherham, or indeed anywhere else in England, Wales or Scotland*.
    Perhaps some might have worked in the steel mills.

    Now, if Pakistanis were NOT imported into Rotherham to 'fill desperately needed labor industrial jobs back in the day', what the Hell were they imported for?

    Was there really a national shortage of taxi-drivers and kebab shop owners back in the Wilson years that held back the British 'battle for exports'?

    Please reply. I'm deeply curious.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Really? I thought White British women hated South Asian and Muslim men. From what I've heard, if they interracially mix, they're mostly into Afro-Carribean guys.

    The reason for all the sex grooming gangs is because the men can't get laid through regular means.
  64. @Wilkey
    "the problem for hbd people is why the other south Asian people like Sikhs and Hindus don’t commit these crimes at the same rate."

    Why is that a problem? Present-day Germans are better than Nazi Germans. Present-day Southerners are better than antebellum, slave-holding Southerners. Does anyone here deny that ideology can make people nasty and mean independent of genetics? I don't think so.

    There does seem to be a genetic, HBD element to Islamic fanaticism, to some degree: Arabian and African Muslims seem to be far worse than European and Southeast Asian Muslims.

    Some of the traits exhibited by South Asian Muslims are also pretty strong in South Asians who aren't Muslim: rabid ethnocentrism, for example. In India Muslims and Hindus may be at each other's throats, but in America they often seem to make common cause with each other.

    “Present-day Southerners are better than antebellum, slave-holding Southerners.”

    Speak for yourself. Cf. Mencken’s “The Sahara of the Bozart.”

  65. @International Jew

    why the other south Asian people like Sikhs and Hindus don’t commit these crimes at the same rate.
     
    Seen from my perspective in the software industry, the average quality of Indian immigrants has declined as we ramped up our rate of intake these last 10-15 years. The Indians I met in the 90s seemed to be a lot more high-achieving -- reasonably corresponding to the official rationale for the H1B program. The more recent arrivals are mostly diploma-mill graduates brought over plainly to replace entry-level Americans.

    Sub-elite Indians in India do nasty things like rampage through Muslim neighborhoods. Expect to see more trouble as their kids here grow up.

    “The Indian Genius” is one of the most pernicious modern myths. There are over a billion Indians on the subcontinent, the overwhelming majority of them distinctly not brilliant. Oftentimes just acknowledging matters of scale and over/under-representation is enough to prove a “controversial” HBD point.

    • Replies: @Francis G.
    Yes, my otherwise intelligent father for the longest time thought India must be a land of geniuses because every Indian grad student he met in the physics department at Berkeley was indeed brilliant. He was totally ignorant of the concept of "selection bias".
  66. @TangoMan
    I'd love to be a frat leader there and convince the bros to take this position:

    Hey, Ms. Yale Administrator, we didn't throw such a party and there is no evidence that we did but we want you to move forward on the presumption that we did take such a position and find a rationale to justify your call that Yale administrators have grounds to police the sexual preferences of Yale students. If our frat brothers want to nail white Yale girls, why should we have to admit black women when none of us is interested in nailing a black chick?
     

    Mr. Frat Leader,

    If you don’t want to nail black chicks then you are forbidden from nailing any chicks.

    Sincerely,

    The President of Yale

    Seriously though, although American blacks do not rank even in my list of Top 100 Favorite Ethnic Groups, I would question the heterosexuality of anyone who categorically rejected the idea that any black girls could be hot.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one

    I would question the heterosexuality of anyone who categorically rejected the idea that any black girls could be hot.
     
    Well, they could be hot in the abstract.

    However, the hottest tend to have a large amount of white admixture.
    , @Truth

    I would question the heterosexuality of anyone who categorically rejected the idea that any black girls could be hot.
     
    I always wonder myself when I read these comments. And they're often from guys I think are in their 20's.

    At the very least it sheds some light on why you guys have such a low birthrate.
    , @Anonymous

    I would question the heterosexuality of anyone who categorically rejected the idea that any black girls could be hot.
     
    Question away dear boy. People have had sex with animals too which doesn't exactly bolster their heterosexual credentials. They don't like them them they don't care for them, it's up to them what they consider attractive.
  67. @Truth
    What "lesson" did the press learn with Zimmerman? I'm not following?

    They forgot that the famous Zimmerman telegram was sent to Mexico. They remembered the German name only.

  68. @wolfy
    the problem for hbd people is why the other south Asian people like Sikhs and Hindus don't commit these crimes at the same rate.

    As has been noted, not only has no serious HBD thinker ever even implied that environmental factors play no role in culture, but these Muslims are probably more inbred than their distant cousins of the Hindu faith. So no, there is no problem here.

  69. Wasn’t the American Mann Act an early anti-human trafficking law? In current PC renditions of history it was just something with which to persecute the noble black heavyweight boxer Jack Johnson.

  70. @Flip
    You are correct to point out that sexual abuse in the Catholic Church is by gay priests, not so-called "pedophiles." The media distorts the reality.

    What? Not all gays are pedophiles. Not all gay priests are pedophiles. The abuser priests are pedophiles who happen to be gay. Their pedophilia has nothing to do with their homosexuality.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    The abuser priests are pedophiles who happen to be gay. Their pedophilia has nothing to do with their homosexuality.
     
    Good one! Just purely coincidental that they entered a profession that forbids marriage to women. What is the age cut off for victims between pedophilia and gayness. If a priest gets a blowjob from a choirboy who is fifteen years of age, is he gay or pedophile? What about fourteen? Thirteen?
    , @anon
    Except that none of these priests actually was a "pedophile" as the term usually means. Their victims were almost entirely teenage boys, not boys who hadn't hit puberty.

    I haven't seen the movie Steve's talking about, but I do remember the media talking about them as being pedophiles, while not mentioning the fact that they were gay men. If you don't know much about the Catholic Church (and lots of Americans don't), then you probably don't know that Catholic priests are largely gay today. Back in the seveties, seminaries starting accepting large numbers of gay men who, from what I've heard, started creating a very gay culture there.

    But people didn't want to admit that, so they kept asking what was wrong with the Catholic church, and how could this be stopped, when the real, obvious answer was that you were encouraging a lot of gay men to take a job where they would be around lots of adolescent males. What did they think was going to happen?

    , @Percy Gryce

    What? Not all gays are pedophiles. Not all gay priests are pedophiles. The abuser priests are pedophiles who happen to be gay. Their pedophilia has nothing to do with their homosexuality.
     
    You're missing the point. The vast majority of the cases of Catholic clerical "abuse" (a term which encompasses a huge variety of activities, including sex talk and a pat on the bottom) were not instances of pedophilia, which generally means sexual activity with children aged 11 or younger. According to the John Jay report, almost 68% of the cases involved minors aged 12-17, the great majority of them young males. A man who sexually pursues male youths is not a pedophile but rather a homosexual. The media's obfuscation on this point was critical to their dual goals of demonizing the Catholic Church and promoting the homosexual agenda.
    , @Bill
    "Not all gays are pedophiles."

    No, not all. However, gays have a much greater orientation towards youth than do normal men. Not all blacks are stupid.

    "The abuser priests are pedophiles who happen to be gay. "

    No, they are pretty much standard issue faggots. They act the way faggots act. Those stereotypes about chicken hawks and recruitment? Like most stereotypes, they are true.

    "Their pedophilia has nothing to do with their homosexuality."

    Of course not. It's a well known principle of psychiatry that having one mental illness in no way makes it more likely that you have other mental illnesses. Also, high blood pressure and cardiovascular disease have nothing to do with one another.
  71. @JimboHarambe
    Dearborn is 40% Arab but most of them are Christians from Lebanon. I live near Dearborn and actually it's a pretty nice place (lot nicer than nearby Detroit).

    Almost anywhere in the world is nicer than Detroit. At least anywhere in the world without many of the coethnics of the majority population of Detroit.

    Dearborn is nicer than Detroit because Beirut is nicer than Detroit. But that really is not saying much at all.

  72. I’m not buying your week excuses guys. For years you have told me that the press was FALLING ALL OVER ITSELF to VILLIFY any white man who gave a black man a cross look. You always talk about NAMS meaning NON-ASIAN minorities (meaning that Asians are pretty much whites).

    YOU LIED TO ME!!!!

    • Replies: @anon
    For years you have told me that the press was FALLING ALL OVER ITSELF to VILLIFY any white man who gave a black man a cross look. You always talk about NAMS meaning NON-ASIAN minorities (meaning that Asians are pretty much whites).

    It doesn't matter how we talk about them, because we're not the ones running CNN and the New York Times. The Democratic party is the party of the fringes, and despite their high IQs, low crime rate, and general quality of life, Asians are still part of the "fringe", meaning that the Democratic media isn't falling all over themselves to cover their misdeeds.

  73. @rec1man
    BJP type hindus in USA are extremely anti-muslim and have allied with jewish Kahanist organisations in an anti-muslim front

    Many BJP Hindus are active supporters of Pamela Gellar and Robert Spencer

    Many of my UK Hindu friends donated to BNP - Nick Griffin

    Leftist Hindus are pro-muslim

    so BJP ~ ‘Republican’/’Trump’ and Leftist Hindu ~ ‘Democrat’/Clintonista ?

    • Replies: @rec1man
    BJP = Hindu Nationalist, free market

    Congress = pro-Muslim, socialist
  74. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    It's because British-Pakistani Muslims are more sexually frustrated. Unmarried Paki girls are kept locked up at home and about half of British Pakis marry their cousin. Not a recipe for sexually contented men. Imagine what your sex life would be like if you married your cousin in your mid 20s. The Hindus and Sikhs have no cousin marriage and less strict constraints on premarital sexual activity. So I'd assume their sex lives are better.

    The other factor is that the Hindus and Sikhs are more middle class. The Pakis have a large percentage of lower income earners who live around subsidized council housing estates. Prostitution is common in these areas. My guess is that a lot of Pakis got involved with prostitution for opportunistic reasons. They saw an opportunity (lower-income girls selling themselves for drugs/alcohol/money) and exploited it. Originally, I bet the Pakis were the clients for white pimps and madams, but then some of the more cunning Pakis decided they could become pimps too.

    When the Labor party came to power in 1997, they made it a lot easier for British Muslims to import brides from back home. That's probably had the effect of increasing the prevalence of cousin marriage and sexually frustrated men.

    Cousin marriage has two effects on this imo.

    1) It seems to make people tighter with their in-group but more hostile to out-groups. This is the hbd part.

    2) Enforcing very strict cousin marriage requires a lot of cultural control on the women. So all these cultural behaviors: FGM, honor killing etc are a part of that cultural control. Another aspect of that control mechanism is it’s considered okay to rape a woman who isn’t covered up adequately or a woman who is outside on her own without a male relative.

    also

    3) I don’t think it technically applies outside of open war situations like Isis but the Koran says it’s okay to rape non-muslim women as part of jihad. However this may be more of an excuse than a reason imo.

  75. @AndrewR
    What? Not all gays are pedophiles. Not all gay priests are pedophiles. The abuser priests are pedophiles who happen to be gay. Their pedophilia has nothing to do with their homosexuality.

    The abuser priests are pedophiles who happen to be gay. Their pedophilia has nothing to do with their homosexuality.

    Good one! Just purely coincidental that they entered a profession that forbids marriage to women. What is the age cut off for victims between pedophilia and gayness. If a priest gets a blowjob from a choirboy who is fifteen years of age, is he gay or pedophile? What about fourteen? Thirteen?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    If a priest gets a blowjob from a choirboy…
     
    I thought those priests were giving the blowjobs. The choirboy is more likely to go along with that.
  76. @Flip
    You are correct to point out that sexual abuse in the Catholic Church is by gay priests, not so-called "pedophiles." The media distorts the reality.

    You are correct to point out that sexual abuse in the Catholic Church is by gay priests, not so-called “pedophiles.” The media distorts the reality.

    I think you are right. Media reports are airily vague in nature about “children being abused by Catholic priests” without making it clear whether these are mostly infants, small children, or adolescents and what proportion are boys and girls. The impression one gets from literature and memoirs from James Joyce to Paul Theroux is that it is mostly male priests and altar boys, not nuns and novices.

    I imagine it has been that way as one of the perks of the job, since the fall of the cult of the Vestal Virgins was replaced with Christianity.

    • Replies: @ReaderfromGreece
    Your theory doesn't work because the Eastern Orthodox Church has always permitted parish priests to marry, and early (pre-Schism) Christian clergymen were largely married. That said, you could probably find sexual abuse in any rigidly hierarchical institution, but all the more in an environment of enforced celibacy. Both monks and nuns have been haunted by accusations of sexual abuse of boys and girls, respectively, and I assume it's less because of a proclivity to homosexuality or certain ages than, to put it rawly, what beings are available, powerless, and easily silenced.
  77. @hbd chick
    much more close inbreeding (i.e. cousin marriage) among south asian muslims than either hindus or sikhs. see the table here on marriages in india and note the first cousin marriage rates by religion (21.4% for muslims, 8.5% for hindus, 1.2% for sikhs -- that was in the '90s). and know that the rates of cousin marriage in pakistan are on the order of 50%.

    Islam offered a way out for lower caste Hindus. Lower quality source material. Hindus still don’t match up to Parsis either.

  78. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I am not surprised you hadn't heard of Rotherham. I lived there for several years. It is unremarkable in lots of ways in being a mid-size northern England town whose former heavy industry -- mining and steel -- had long since disappeared. Today the population, which is mostly unemployed (and some definitely unemployable) whites, has large groups of muslims who in the tradition of their kind devote their time to not integrating and running their own businesses to provide for their own kind. I have seen dirty vans going round selling meat and vegetables from the back, and only calling at muslim houses.

    The white locals do not think much of the muslims (I have been spat at on the street by one for not reason other than he could) and the Pakistani-origin males employ themselves driving taxis or running, as mentioned, muslim-preferred businesses. White young women, for some reason no one of my age can understand, seem to be attracted to the relatively uncultured muslim males and seem to think they make good sexual partners or even husbands, whereupon they must obey the rules by covering their hair and legs and following the man around a couple of paces behind.

    I know of a girl who was murdered for wanting to tell her Pakistani-origin boyfriend's family that she was pregnant (family honour must be preserved, even if life isn't) while I also know of at least one case where the Rotherham social services thought a child fostered by a (white) couple should have the child removed from their care because these parents 'went to church' and that was judged by these (white, dhimmi-loving officials) as a toxic environment. This is the same social services set-up that somehow failed to notice the ongoing open and widespread abuse of young females in their care (and equally had the ability to ignore complaints by worried people) by mostly muslim men, for well over ten years.

    It is also place where the police were quick to arrest a white girl who recognised one of her abusers on the street and shouted at him, charging her with 'disturbing the peace' while the abuser walked away untroubled. But then, he was a muslim and the whole thrust of the town's socialist, Labour-controlled council is to praise muslims no matter what they do and turn their gaze away from any anti-social behaviour by Pakistani-origin men.

    I was also told of a case where a normal, healthy young muslim female was sent to Pakistan by her 'caring' family to marry a retarded male and have him brought back to the UK where he can live on benefits. One can imagine that her life now is less than ideal, but as it was agreed between families what did it matter what she wanted?

    Rotherham is just one of many northern English (and therefore largely impoverished) places who has to put up with this sort of thing. All over the north former industrial and mining towns now have large populations of muslims, the men of which are denied contact with their own women so they turn to the available option of teen girls in social care with no one seemingly bothered about protecting the white females.

    As you said, Rotherham was a town built on mining and steel.
    During the boom years of the 1960s, presumably, the mining and steel industries were short of labor.

    Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty damned certain that *not one single first generation immigrant Pakistani man to Rotherham, or any other Pakistani, for that matter, ever worked down a coal pit in Rotherham, or indeed anywhere else in England, Wales or Scotland*.
    Perhaps some might have worked in the steel mills.

    Now, if Pakistanis were NOT imported into Rotherham to ‘fill desperately needed labor industrial jobs back in the day’, what the Hell were they imported for?

    Was there really a national shortage of taxi-drivers and kebab shop owners back in the Wilson years that held back the British ‘battle for exports’?

    Please reply. I’m deeply curious.

    • Replies: @anon

    Now, if Pakistanis were NOT imported into Rotherham to ‘fill desperately needed labor industrial jobs back in the day’, what the Hell were they imported for?
     
    Cheaper night shift workers for the textile mills (that closed down soon after).
  79. @SFG
    They even got rid of the dinners!

    Then again, the Republican party was formed to oppose slavery, so...

    You could also do a whole routine on all the Unz writers and readers that didn’t get a dinner.

    Ron Unz, who bankrolled the whole deal, didn’t get a dinner.
    Steve Sailer, who persevered in obscurity for years in the face of great odds and Progressive invective, didn’t get a dinner.
    JayMan, who introduced so many to popular genetics, didn’t get a dinner.
    Derbyshire, Karlin, Khan, et al, who keep us amused and agitated at the same time, didn’t get a dinner.
    Syon, IJ, Priss, Reg, Truth, Whiskey and countless others of us, we get to wash the dishes.

    • Replies: @Tom-in-VA
    Thank you, Red Buttons.
  80. @Anonymous
    I am not surprised you hadn't heard of Rotherham. I lived there for several years. It is unremarkable in lots of ways in being a mid-size northern England town whose former heavy industry -- mining and steel -- had long since disappeared. Today the population, which is mostly unemployed (and some definitely unemployable) whites, has large groups of muslims who in the tradition of their kind devote their time to not integrating and running their own businesses to provide for their own kind. I have seen dirty vans going round selling meat and vegetables from the back, and only calling at muslim houses.

    The white locals do not think much of the muslims (I have been spat at on the street by one for not reason other than he could) and the Pakistani-origin males employ themselves driving taxis or running, as mentioned, muslim-preferred businesses. White young women, for some reason no one of my age can understand, seem to be attracted to the relatively uncultured muslim males and seem to think they make good sexual partners or even husbands, whereupon they must obey the rules by covering their hair and legs and following the man around a couple of paces behind.

    I know of a girl who was murdered for wanting to tell her Pakistani-origin boyfriend's family that she was pregnant (family honour must be preserved, even if life isn't) while I also know of at least one case where the Rotherham social services thought a child fostered by a (white) couple should have the child removed from their care because these parents 'went to church' and that was judged by these (white, dhimmi-loving officials) as a toxic environment. This is the same social services set-up that somehow failed to notice the ongoing open and widespread abuse of young females in their care (and equally had the ability to ignore complaints by worried people) by mostly muslim men, for well over ten years.

    It is also place where the police were quick to arrest a white girl who recognised one of her abusers on the street and shouted at him, charging her with 'disturbing the peace' while the abuser walked away untroubled. But then, he was a muslim and the whole thrust of the town's socialist, Labour-controlled council is to praise muslims no matter what they do and turn their gaze away from any anti-social behaviour by Pakistani-origin men.

    I was also told of a case where a normal, healthy young muslim female was sent to Pakistan by her 'caring' family to marry a retarded male and have him brought back to the UK where he can live on benefits. One can imagine that her life now is less than ideal, but as it was agreed between families what did it matter what she wanted?

    Rotherham is just one of many northern English (and therefore largely impoverished) places who has to put up with this sort of thing. All over the north former industrial and mining towns now have large populations of muslims, the men of which are denied contact with their own women so they turn to the available option of teen girls in social care with no one seemingly bothered about protecting the white females.

    Really? I thought White British women hated South Asian and Muslim men. From what I’ve heard, if they interracially mix, they’re mostly into Afro-Carribean guys.

    The reason for all the sex grooming gangs is because the men can’t get laid through regular means.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    He's discussing the infamous brit "underclass".
    ".. obey the rules by covering their hair and legs".
    Which in this case will be the same thing.

    I say I say I say, why do sumo wrestlers shave their legs?
    So they don't get mistaken for Yorkshirewomen.
    , @Broken Britain
    I don't live in Rotherham but I have lived in a similar northern English town. The post above is correct. Young Pakistan men are seen as a catch by some white women. As far as I can work out it boils down to money and looks.

    Most Pakistani men are fiddling the system and they have money in their pockets. If they work as taxi drivers then they will claim to be working part-time and thus they will be eligible for social security payments, but they will be working full-time and they will not pay tax on their income. Whatever they buy will be bought through insider Muslim contacts and it will be cheaper than the usual market price.

    Older Pakistan usually have the stronger and more exaggerated facial features associated with inbreeding. As they get older they look more and more like peasants. But before this happens the younger men go through a stage where they could be mistaken for a Spaniard or a Greek with a strong face and some women find that attractive.

    You should also realise that in the UK we have an enormous number gormless young people who have been deliberately uneducated by our elites. They will believe anything they are told by our treacherous politicians.
    , @anon
    The grooming gangs particularly target 12-13 year old girls from children's homes.

    .

    "Dearborn"

    Anywhere there's an enclave it will be happening because it's effectively a side effect of the culture.

    .

    Anyway the main point is there's a whole other layer below terrorism which the US has a chance of avoiding.

    https://kafircrusaders.wordpress.com/muslim-grooming-paedo-map/
    , @Anonymous
    As you must know, judicious bribes of cash - and in the case of Rotherham, hard liquor, cigarettes, illicit drugs of all sorts - including cocaine and heroin -, and not to mention 'free' doner kebabs with chips, and yes probably 'chili sauce' , do wonders everywhere to breakdown 'natural female modesty and apprehension of men'.
    Even if the men are popularly characterized as 'alien, smelly, dirty, primitive, foreign, strange, nerdy etc'.

    'This the story of the human condition, as viewed through male eyes.
  81. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @AndrewR

    Mr. Frat Leader,

    If you don't want to nail black chicks then you are forbidden from nailing any chicks.

    Sincerely,

    The President of Yale
     
    Seriously though, although American blacks do not rank even in my list of Top 100 Favorite Ethnic Groups, I would question the heterosexuality of anyone who categorically rejected the idea that any black girls could be hot.

    I would question the heterosexuality of anyone who categorically rejected the idea that any black girls could be hot.

    Well, they could be hot in the abstract.

    However, the hottest tend to have a large amount of white admixture.

  82. Wilkey–“There does seem to be a genetic, HBD element to Islamic fanaticism, to some degree: Arabian and African Muslims seem to be far worse than European and Southeast Asian Muslims.”

    Seems to be, huh. Do you have any source material to substantiate your claim?

    International Jew–“Sub-elite Indians in India do nasty things like rampage through Muslim neighborhoods.”

    Actually, Muslims there rampage against Christians, who rampage against Hindus, who rampage against Muslims, etc.

    Johnny Walker123–“It’s because British-Pakistani Muslims are more sexually frustrated…The Hindus and Sikhs have no cousin marriage and less strict constraints on premarital sexual activity. So I’d assume their sex lives are better.”

    Do you have any links that lend credibility to your hypothesis?

    • Replies: @Jimi
    India does not have the same level of sex segregation and female cloistering as Pakistan (though more than USA). Relatively easy to have sex outside of marriage with people you are not related to. Though there is a strong social stigma against it.
  83. @JohnnyWalker123
    Really? I thought White British women hated South Asian and Muslim men. From what I've heard, if they interracially mix, they're mostly into Afro-Carribean guys.

    The reason for all the sex grooming gangs is because the men can't get laid through regular means.

    He’s discussing the infamous brit “underclass”.
    “.. obey the rules by covering their hair and legs”.
    Which in this case will be the same thing.

    I say I say I say, why do sumo wrestlers shave their legs?
    So they don’t get mistaken for Yorkshirewomen.

  84. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR
    What? Not all gays are pedophiles. Not all gay priests are pedophiles. The abuser priests are pedophiles who happen to be gay. Their pedophilia has nothing to do with their homosexuality.

    Except that none of these priests actually was a “pedophile” as the term usually means. Their victims were almost entirely teenage boys, not boys who hadn’t hit puberty.

    I haven’t seen the movie Steve’s talking about, but I do remember the media talking about them as being pedophiles, while not mentioning the fact that they were gay men. If you don’t know much about the Catholic Church (and lots of Americans don’t), then you probably don’t know that Catholic priests are largely gay today. Back in the seveties, seminaries starting accepting large numbers of gay men who, from what I’ve heard, started creating a very gay culture there.

    But people didn’t want to admit that, so they kept asking what was wrong with the Catholic church, and how could this be stopped, when the real, obvious answer was that you were encouraging a lot of gay men to take a job where they would be around lots of adolescent males. What did they think was going to happen?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    …then you probably don’t know that Catholic priests are largely gay today.
     
    You'd better explain that one. The old liberal seminaries are moribund. No one wants to commit to a mush church anymore. The priests ordained in the '7os are due for retirement.

    I just answered an appeal from a very conservative nunnery facing a "vocations crisis"-- they ran out of room to house all their young postulants. Seminaries are in the same position. The serious ones are not in trouble, and have little tolerance for the gay life.

    The future of the Church is not pink.
  85. @Ivy
    You could also do a whole routine on all the Unz writers and readers that didn't get a dinner.

    Ron Unz, who bankrolled the whole deal, didn't get a dinner.
    Steve Sailer, who persevered in obscurity for years in the face of great odds and Progressive invective, didn't get a dinner.
    JayMan, who introduced so many to popular genetics, didn't get a dinner.
    Derbyshire, Karlin, Khan, et al, who keep us amused and agitated at the same time, didn't get a dinner.
    Syon, IJ, Priss, Reg, Truth, Whiskey and countless others of us, we get to wash the dishes.

    Thank you, Red Buttons.

  86. @SFG
    I had...never heard this. Once they're here they seem to melt into an undifferentiated 'brown' mass, largely because Americans can't tell the difference (and ran around attacking Sikh and Hindu temples as a result, which I think is awful).

    It is true Israel and India are friends for the obvious reason (common enemy), and Hindu Americans seem to hold Jews in high regard (basically using them as a template for their own community's road to success, largely successfully from what I've seen), but I've never heard of a united front. Is this a British thing?

    One of the closest associates of Pam Gellar and Robert Spencer was the late Narain Kataria, a senior leader of Overseas Friends of BJP – Narain got driven out of Pakistan in 1948 and knows muslim tendencies

    Narain, obituary was put up on the website of both Pam Gellar and Jihadwatch

    The VHP ( religious wing of BJP ) has a strong overseas branch in many countries from Myanmar to UK to Canada to USA ( VHP-America )

    So Hindu kids go to weekend sunday school, summer camps and hopefully get the facts of life regarding muslims explained to them

    Most congress type hindus are leftist and pro-Muslim

    In UK, a Sikh joined the BNP to prove it wasnt a racist party

    In UK, and India, there is a lot of sexual predation by muslims on Hindu and Sikh and Christian girls, called
    Love Jihad ( grooming ) – and wherever BJP is strong, there are reprisals – Some BJP activists in India, when they catch these Love Jihadi have made them actually eat sh*t

    In parts of South India, the Christians have aligned with BJP to stop love jihad

    Very few Hindus or Sikhs socialise with muslims anywhere in the world
    Most Hindus , Sikhs, Jains, Christians, wont even rent to a muslim all over India

  87. @epebble
    so BJP ~ 'Republican'/'Trump' and Leftist Hindu ~ 'Democrat'/Clintonista ?

    BJP = Hindu Nationalist, free market

    Congress = pro-Muslim, socialist

  88. @JohnnyWalker123
    Really? I thought White British women hated South Asian and Muslim men. From what I've heard, if they interracially mix, they're mostly into Afro-Carribean guys.

    The reason for all the sex grooming gangs is because the men can't get laid through regular means.

    I don’t live in Rotherham but I have lived in a similar northern English town. The post above is correct. Young Pakistan men are seen as a catch by some white women. As far as I can work out it boils down to money and looks.

    Most Pakistani men are fiddling the system and they have money in their pockets. If they work as taxi drivers then they will claim to be working part-time and thus they will be eligible for social security payments, but they will be working full-time and they will not pay tax on their income. Whatever they buy will be bought through insider Muslim contacts and it will be cheaper than the usual market price.

    Older Pakistan usually have the stronger and more exaggerated facial features associated with inbreeding. As they get older they look more and more like peasants. But before this happens the younger men go through a stage where they could be mistaken for a Spaniard or a Greek with a strong face and some women find that attractive.

    You should also realise that in the UK we have an enormous number gormless young people who have been deliberately uneducated by our elites. They will believe anything they are told by our treacherous politicians.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    You sure?

    Here's a video of a British Pakistani wedding. They don't particularly Greek or Italian to me. They look like Indians, but with a slightly lighter skin color.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJL_xXcqG60
    , @Anonymous
    No one with a brain, who has ever travelled to those countries could possibly mistake a Greek or Spaniard for a Pakistani.

    Pakistanis, as a rule, are nut-brown.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Ann Coulter retweets Rotherham scandal.

    https://twitter.com/djtechchicago/status/675835620904669184

    Do any of those guys look Greek/Spanish to you?

  89. @AndrewR
    What? Not all gays are pedophiles. Not all gay priests are pedophiles. The abuser priests are pedophiles who happen to be gay. Their pedophilia has nothing to do with their homosexuality.

    What? Not all gays are pedophiles. Not all gay priests are pedophiles. The abuser priests are pedophiles who happen to be gay. Their pedophilia has nothing to do with their homosexuality.

    You’re missing the point. The vast majority of the cases of Catholic clerical “abuse” (a term which encompasses a huge variety of activities, including sex talk and a pat on the bottom) were not instances of pedophilia, which generally means sexual activity with children aged 11 or younger. According to the John Jay report, almost 68% of the cases involved minors aged 12-17, the great majority of them young males. A man who sexually pursues male youths is not a pedophile but rather a homosexual. The media’s obfuscation on this point was critical to their dual goals of demonizing the Catholic Church and promoting the homosexual agenda.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  90. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Really? I thought White British women hated South Asian and Muslim men. From what I've heard, if they interracially mix, they're mostly into Afro-Carribean guys.

    The reason for all the sex grooming gangs is because the men can't get laid through regular means.

    The grooming gangs particularly target 12-13 year old girls from children’s homes.

    .

    “Dearborn”

    Anywhere there’s an enclave it will be happening because it’s effectively a side effect of the culture.

    .

    Anyway the main point is there’s a whole other layer below terrorism which the US has a chance of avoiding.

    https://kafircrusaders.wordpress.com/muslim-grooming-paedo-map/

  91. In India “pimping” is considered to be a Muslim business. The silver-tongue Muslim pimp, seducing vulnerable girls is an archetype and a Bollywood stock figure:

  92. @Cryptogenic
    "The Indian Genius" is one of the most pernicious modern myths. There are over a billion Indians on the subcontinent, the overwhelming majority of them distinctly not brilliant. Oftentimes just acknowledging matters of scale and over/under-representation is enough to prove a "controversial" HBD point.

    Yes, my otherwise intelligent father for the longest time thought India must be a land of geniuses because every Indian grad student he met in the physics department at Berkeley was indeed brilliant. He was totally ignorant of the concept of “selection bias”.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Well, you take a billion people of roughly Indo-European stock the tail will be relatively fat, even out to the genius range.

    My favorite is this guy:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan
  93. @Jonathan Mason
    The name of Rotherham would be known to every British person, because the soccer team Rotherham United has its name read out every week in the football results, and has done since 1925.

    Rotherham is virtually a suburb of Sheffield, and as such was at the epicenter of the now virtually defunct British steel industry, so now the area has falled on hard times.

    Basically the whole shenanigan concerns delinquent teenage girls who were nominally under the care of the local authority, but were actually running wild and presumably relying on local immigrant taxi drivers to transport them in exchange for, well, whatever means of exchange they had.

    The situation seems to have been made worse by local social workers basically turning a blind eye on the questionable grounds of assuming that the girls had already made a career choice to be prostitutes and they should be supported in their choices, as was deemed to be politically correct. Presumably they will have been advised about contraception.

    Whether the numbers have been exaggerated, I do not know, (I kind of suspect it), but it seems probable that this pattern of behavior has been widespread across the country, especially in socially deprived areas with a lot of unemployment. However I can remember encountering similar setups in England as long ago as the 1960's involving runaway teenage girls, train drivers, and so on.

    Jonathan, you creep me out. Perhaps you should read the report one more time.

  94. @Francis G.
    Yes, my otherwise intelligent father for the longest time thought India must be a land of geniuses because every Indian grad student he met in the physics department at Berkeley was indeed brilliant. He was totally ignorant of the concept of "selection bias".

    Well, you take a billion people of roughly Indo-European stock the tail will be relatively fat, even out to the genius range.

    My favorite is this guy:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan

  95. So I don’t understand something. An invader tribe brutally raped thousands of young teenage British girls. Why haven’t there been thousands of severe, torturous beatings by lower-middle class British young men against these smelly invaders? Sure, for retribution, but also because it would be a lot of fun.

    Yeah, they’d get arrested. So what? Sometimes you need to be a man.

    • Replies: @anon
    There used to be. One of the most famous pastimes of the old skinheads was "Paki-bashing".

    Supposedly, this was due to racism, pure and simple. But given the fact that I only know about it from the media, how would I really know if it WAS done as a form of retaliation?

    If you believe what the modern media tells you, you'd think that lynching had nothing to do with crimes committed by blacks, and was just a bunch of stupid white guys killing blacks for no reason.

    , @Anonymous
    Mainly because the entire government, police/state apparatus of Britain - up to and including the full military firepower of the army, not to mention the entirety of the press, BBC, ITV, Sky News, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Cardinal of Westminster, the heads of the Methodist and Baptist churches, the House of Lords, the House of Commons, and outside Britain the UN, the EU, the European Court, NATO, and the biggie the President and Congress of the USA and thus the might of the Pentagon and the CIA, and lastly and lastly the shrill buttholes of the NYT, the WSJ, Time and the arch-wankers at The Economist, will be utterly UNANIMOUS in their expressed desire to *destroy* those whites with 'extreme prejudice'.

    - and I'm not joking or exaggerating.
  96. @Corvinus
    Wilkey--"There does seem to be a genetic, HBD element to Islamic fanaticism, to some degree: Arabian and African Muslims seem to be far worse than European and Southeast Asian Muslims."

    Seems to be, huh. Do you have any source material to substantiate your claim?

    International Jew--"Sub-elite Indians in India do nasty things like rampage through Muslim neighborhoods."

    Actually, Muslims there rampage against Christians, who rampage against Hindus, who rampage against Muslims, etc.

    Johnny Walker123--"It’s because British-Pakistani Muslims are more sexually frustrated...The Hindus and Sikhs have no cousin marriage and less strict constraints on premarital sexual activity. So I’d assume their sex lives are better."

    Do you have any links that lend credibility to your hypothesis?

    India does not have the same level of sex segregation and female cloistering as Pakistan (though more than USA). Relatively easy to have sex outside of marriage with people you are not related to. Though there is a strong social stigma against it.

  97. @Steve Sailer
    Welcome back.

    I take it you were addressing Kudzu Bob.

    IIRC, he was busy on a project and said he’d be back when he had more time. I hope so.

    • Replies: @Truth

    IIRC, he was busy on a project and said he’d be back when he had more time. I hope so.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_wFEB4Oxlo
  98. @Broken Britain
    I don't live in Rotherham but I have lived in a similar northern English town. The post above is correct. Young Pakistan men are seen as a catch by some white women. As far as I can work out it boils down to money and looks.

    Most Pakistani men are fiddling the system and they have money in their pockets. If they work as taxi drivers then they will claim to be working part-time and thus they will be eligible for social security payments, but they will be working full-time and they will not pay tax on their income. Whatever they buy will be bought through insider Muslim contacts and it will be cheaper than the usual market price.

    Older Pakistan usually have the stronger and more exaggerated facial features associated with inbreeding. As they get older they look more and more like peasants. But before this happens the younger men go through a stage where they could be mistaken for a Spaniard or a Greek with a strong face and some women find that attractive.

    You should also realise that in the UK we have an enormous number gormless young people who have been deliberately uneducated by our elites. They will believe anything they are told by our treacherous politicians.

    You sure?

    Here’s a video of a British Pakistani wedding. They don’t particularly Greek or Italian to me. They look like Indians, but with a slightly lighter skin color.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's another video with a large crowd of British Pakistanis. They tend to have the same skinnyfat bodies and unaesthetic faces you see in Indians, but their skin color is a bit lighter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRmGwnpHaP0

    Even the young men seem to have facial deformities, particularly if you look at their noses.
  99. @JohnnyWalker123
    You sure?

    Here's a video of a British Pakistani wedding. They don't particularly Greek or Italian to me. They look like Indians, but with a slightly lighter skin color.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJL_xXcqG60

    Here’s another video with a large crowd of British Pakistanis. They tend to have the same skinnyfat bodies and unaesthetic faces you see in Indians, but their skin color is a bit lighter.

    Even the young men seem to have facial deformities, particularly if you look at their noses.

    • Replies: @anon
    It's very simple and I don't understand why people don't get it - maybe a person needs a predatory instinct themselves to understand the obvious.

    12-13 year old girls especially from children's homes are easy targets because they are desperate for love.

    That's it. Not complicated.

    Predators target them on that basis. For some reason muslim populations seem have a much higher percentage of those kind of predators than others.

    The people whose job it is to protect them won't do it because of political correctness.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1hmouQu0dw

    No offense, but if your young women are attracted to that, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. We have a moderate sized South Asian population in North America. Most women (white, black, Asian, Hispanic) won't consider them. Indian/Paki men are the omega males of America and Canada. Even below East Asians, who are pretty low on the ladder themselves.

    Perhaps British women have different standards of beauty?
    , @Anonymous
    You might call them 'deformities' but to them, they are normal and typical facial features.
    , @Percy Gryce

    They tend to have the same skinnyfat bodies and unaesthetic faces you see in Indians
     
    Uh-hm:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEU5qmMzGz0
  100. @Anonymous
    As you said, Rotherham was a town built on mining and steel.
    During the boom years of the 1960s, presumably, the mining and steel industries were short of labor.

    Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty damned certain that *not one single first generation immigrant Pakistani man to Rotherham, or any other Pakistani, for that matter, ever worked down a coal pit in Rotherham, or indeed anywhere else in England, Wales or Scotland*.
    Perhaps some might have worked in the steel mills.

    Now, if Pakistanis were NOT imported into Rotherham to 'fill desperately needed labor industrial jobs back in the day', what the Hell were they imported for?

    Was there really a national shortage of taxi-drivers and kebab shop owners back in the Wilson years that held back the British 'battle for exports'?

    Please reply. I'm deeply curious.

    Now, if Pakistanis were NOT imported into Rotherham to ‘fill desperately needed labor industrial jobs back in the day’, what the Hell were they imported for?

    Cheaper night shift workers for the textile mills (that closed down soon after).

  101. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's another video with a large crowd of British Pakistanis. They tend to have the same skinnyfat bodies and unaesthetic faces you see in Indians, but their skin color is a bit lighter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRmGwnpHaP0

    Even the young men seem to have facial deformities, particularly if you look at their noses.

    It’s very simple and I don’t understand why people don’t get it – maybe a person needs a predatory instinct themselves to understand the obvious.

    12-13 year old girls especially from children’s homes are easy targets because they are desperate for love.

    That’s it. Not complicated.

    Predators target them on that basis. For some reason muslim populations seem have a much higher percentage of those kind of predators than others.

    The people whose job it is to protect them won’t do it because of political correctness.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    I agree with that.

    I'm just pointing out there's a difference between:

    A. Saying white women like Pakis
    B. Saying vulnerable girls are getting preyed on by adults, most of whom are Paki/Muslim

    I'm arguing against A), but agree with B).

    One other factor that I forgot to point out was drug addiction. Lots of drug dealers in the UK these days are Pakis. So I suppose that could explain why drug addicted underaged girls gravitate toward them to begin with. It's like an alcoholic gravitating toward the liquor store. I remember in one of the articles, some girl claimed that the grooming problem was directly tied in to drug addiction.
  102. @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's another video with a large crowd of British Pakistanis. They tend to have the same skinnyfat bodies and unaesthetic faces you see in Indians, but their skin color is a bit lighter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRmGwnpHaP0

    Even the young men seem to have facial deformities, particularly if you look at their noses.

    No offense, but if your young women are attracted to that, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. We have a moderate sized South Asian population in North America. Most women (white, black, Asian, Hispanic) won’t consider them. Indian/Paki men are the omega males of America and Canada. Even below East Asians, who are pretty low on the ladder themselves.

    Perhaps British women have different standards of beauty?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    This study of British sexual behavior found the following:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1486879/Love-league-tables-show-link-to-sexual-disease.html

    A survey of more than 11,000 adults aged between 16 and 44, published today in The Lancet, reveals that white women claim to have had an average of five sexual partners, black Caribbeans four, black Africans three, and both Indians and Pakistanis one.

    Among men, those of black Caribbean and African descent both average nine lovers in their lifetime, followed by whites with six, Indians two and Pakistanis one.
    Dr Kevin Fenton of University College London, the study's lead author, says this was the first research among the general population.

     



    When men were asked about whether they had ever been diagnosed with a STI, 10.9 per cent of whites, 19.7 cent of black Caribbeans and 16.2 per cent of black Africans said they had. The figures for Indian and Pakistani males were 3.4 and 3.2 per cent.

    Despite claiming to have had fewer partners, black women report more STIs, with 22.7 per cent of those of Caribbean descent and 14.1 per cent of those of African descent admitting to at least one. The proportions among whites, Indians and Pakistanis are 12.4, 7.8 and 3.6 per cent respectively.
     
    Even with the grooming, STI (formerly STD) rates are pretty low for the Pakistanis.

    Here's another study -

    This is data taken from England. It comes from the National Chlamydia Screening Program, which is a STI-screening program coordinated by the NHS. The sample size is over 400,000. The participants are in the 15-24 age range.

    http://i60.tinypic.com/256zj2w.jpg

    British South Asian men have very low rates of chlamydia relative to whites. Blacks are higher though. Interestingly, South Asian women are higher than South Asian men in chlamydia infection, but still lower than white&black women.
    , @Jonathan Mason
    Did Jemima Goldsmith not marry Imran Khan. Some of those Pakistani men are handsome beasts, and let's face it, British women are about the least attractive of any race, at least if female parliamentarians are anything to go by.
    , @epebble
    Actually I know many Indians (and a Bangladeshi) married to nice white husbands/wives. Many men and women have different expectations. In many cases the usual desire seems to be, for many men, a more 'feminine' (i.e. less aggressive) domestic oriented person. Many STEM men/women also marry fellow STEM women/men, so this becomes assortative. STEM white women are few; so white STEM men select Asian STEM women. For many white women, the desire is stability (i.e. long term marriage, monogamy) and reliable earning power. In case of the white woman who married the Bangladeshi (the guy is a chip designer), the woman unhesitatingly mentioned that most white men she knows are dumb (my guess is she may be from Bakersfield - Fresno area - interior CA ). So, it is not always beauty!

    By the way, they have a really smart and good looking daughter, Arianna Afsar, who is a beauty queen and actress https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianna_Afsar

    See pic. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3334138/

    , @ben tillman

    Perhaps British women have different standards of beauty?
     
    It sounds more like they like Pakis because the Pakis are socially dominant. They are the victors in teh ethnic conflict, while Englishmen are the vanquished.
  103. @Jonathan Mason

    You are correct to point out that sexual abuse in the Catholic Church is by gay priests, not so-called “pedophiles.” The media distorts the reality.
     
    I think you are right. Media reports are airily vague in nature about "children being abused by Catholic priests" without making it clear whether these are mostly infants, small children, or adolescents and what proportion are boys and girls. The impression one gets from literature and memoirs from James Joyce to Paul Theroux is that it is mostly male priests and altar boys, not nuns and novices.

    I imagine it has been that way as one of the perks of the job, since the fall of the cult of the Vestal Virgins was replaced with Christianity.

    Your theory doesn’t work because the Eastern Orthodox Church has always permitted parish priests to marry, and early (pre-Schism) Christian clergymen were largely married. That said, you could probably find sexual abuse in any rigidly hierarchical institution, but all the more in an environment of enforced celibacy. Both monks and nuns have been haunted by accusations of sexual abuse of boys and girls, respectively, and I assume it’s less because of a proclivity to homosexuality or certain ages than, to put it rawly, what beings are available, powerless, and easily silenced.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce

    Your theory doesn’t work because the Eastern Orthodox Church has always permitted parish priests to marry, and early (pre-Schism) Christian clergymen were largely married.
     
    Not quite. The rule in the Orthodox churches is that married men may be ordained to the diaconate and the priesthood, but a man already ordained to those orders may not marry. Thus a widowed or divorced deacon or priest may not remarry. Additionally, bishops are always selected from among the monastic class and thus are never married--and, of course, cannot wed after being consecrated as bishops. The pre-Schism episcopate was almost uniformly celibate.
  104. @SFG
    They even got rid of the dinners!

    Then again, the Republican party was formed to oppose slavery, so...

    Then again, the Republican party was formed to oppose slavery, so…

    Actually, it was formed to combat “those twin relics of barbarism
    — Polygamy, and Slavery.”

    That’s right out of the 1856 platform:

    http://www.ushistory.org/gop/convention_1856republicanplatform.htm

  105. @Jonathan Mason

    The abuser priests are pedophiles who happen to be gay. Their pedophilia has nothing to do with their homosexuality.
     
    Good one! Just purely coincidental that they entered a profession that forbids marriage to women. What is the age cut off for victims between pedophilia and gayness. If a priest gets a blowjob from a choirboy who is fifteen years of age, is he gay or pedophile? What about fourteen? Thirteen?

    If a priest gets a blowjob from a choirboy…

    I thought those priests were giving the blowjobs. The choirboy is more likely to go along with that.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    I thought those priests were giving the blowjobs. The choirboy is more likely to go along with that.
     
    I put it the other way around on purpose to challenge people's thinking. I have worked with sex offenders and there is no end to human depravity. The emperor Tiberius was supposed to have obtained oral sex from unweaned infants, and I personally know of a similar case in Florida. Is a priest giving a blow job to an adolescent a gay or a pedophile, and how does one know the difference?
  106. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1hmouQu0dw

    No offense, but if your young women are attracted to that, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. We have a moderate sized South Asian population in North America. Most women (white, black, Asian, Hispanic) won't consider them. Indian/Paki men are the omega males of America and Canada. Even below East Asians, who are pretty low on the ladder themselves.

    Perhaps British women have different standards of beauty?

    This study of British sexual behavior found the following:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1486879/Love-league-tables-show-link-to-sexual-disease.html

    A survey of more than 11,000 adults aged between 16 and 44, published today in The Lancet, reveals that white women claim to have had an average of five sexual partners, black Caribbeans four, black Africans three, and both Indians and Pakistanis one.

    Among men, those of black Caribbean and African descent both average nine lovers in their lifetime, followed by whites with six, Indians two and Pakistanis one.
    Dr Kevin Fenton of University College London, the study’s lead author, says this was the first research among the general population.

    When men were asked about whether they had ever been diagnosed with a STI, 10.9 per cent of whites, 19.7 cent of black Caribbeans and 16.2 per cent of black Africans said they had. The figures for Indian and Pakistani males were 3.4 and 3.2 per cent.

    Despite claiming to have had fewer partners, black women report more STIs, with 22.7 per cent of those of Caribbean descent and 14.1 per cent of those of African descent admitting to at least one. The proportions among whites, Indians and Pakistanis are 12.4, 7.8 and 3.6 per cent respectively.

    Even with the grooming, STI (formerly STD) rates are pretty low for the Pakistanis.

    Here’s another study –

    This is data taken from England. It comes from the National Chlamydia Screening Program, which is a STI-screening program coordinated by the NHS. The sample size is over 400,000. The participants are in the 15-24 age range.

    British South Asian men have very low rates of chlamydia relative to whites. Blacks are higher though. Interestingly, South Asian women are higher than South Asian men in chlamydia infection, but still lower than white&black women.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Self reported statistics regarding sexuality cannot be trusted.

    I wager that black 'British' rates of promiscuity and infection are an order of magnitude higher than that.
    As for Pakistanis, that's more nuanced. Not promiscuity per se, but a heavy, secret, male usage of prostitutes. I would also wager that female Pakistanis are as damned near a 'chaste' and 'faithful' population that you will find anywhere.
    , @5371
    I don't for a moment believe that black "British" women are more chaste than white. Certainly US surveys with a much higher number of participants tell a different story.
  107. @anon
    Except that none of these priests actually was a "pedophile" as the term usually means. Their victims were almost entirely teenage boys, not boys who hadn't hit puberty.

    I haven't seen the movie Steve's talking about, but I do remember the media talking about them as being pedophiles, while not mentioning the fact that they were gay men. If you don't know much about the Catholic Church (and lots of Americans don't), then you probably don't know that Catholic priests are largely gay today. Back in the seveties, seminaries starting accepting large numbers of gay men who, from what I've heard, started creating a very gay culture there.

    But people didn't want to admit that, so they kept asking what was wrong with the Catholic church, and how could this be stopped, when the real, obvious answer was that you were encouraging a lot of gay men to take a job where they would be around lots of adolescent males. What did they think was going to happen?

    …then you probably don’t know that Catholic priests are largely gay today.

    You’d better explain that one. The old liberal seminaries are moribund. No one wants to commit to a mush church anymore. The priests ordained in the ‘7os are due for retirement.

    I just answered an appeal from a very conservative nunnery facing a “vocations crisis”– they ran out of room to house all their young postulants. Seminaries are in the same position. The serious ones are not in trouble, and have little tolerance for the gay life.

    The future of the Church is not pink.

    • Agree: Percy Gryce
    • Replies: @anon
    All right, maybe they aren't now, but for a long time, they were. At the time these priests were getting ordained, they were.

    If the church has learned its lesson, then that's great. Maybe they can be part of the great Noticing Revolution.
  108. @Anonymous
    OT.

    Check out the Chinese poster for the new Star Wars:

    http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2015/12/more-sjw-racial-problems-for-star-wars.html?_sm_au_=iMVSqkjVTLNGFGqJ

    “OT.

    Check out the Chinese poster for the new Star Wars:”

    I don’t see what the big deal is with a black character in Star Wars. The last movies had one: Samuel L. “Loud Black Man” Jackson playing Mace Dindu.

  109. I don’t imagine that the british film or TV industry is any more likely to make a “Spotlight” like movie about Rotherham than Hollywood is to make a movie about the alleged wide-spread sexual abuse of child-actors in Hollywood.

  110. @Reg Cæsar

    …then you probably don’t know that Catholic priests are largely gay today.
     
    You'd better explain that one. The old liberal seminaries are moribund. No one wants to commit to a mush church anymore. The priests ordained in the '7os are due for retirement.

    I just answered an appeal from a very conservative nunnery facing a "vocations crisis"-- they ran out of room to house all their young postulants. Seminaries are in the same position. The serious ones are not in trouble, and have little tolerance for the gay life.

    The future of the Church is not pink.

    All right, maybe they aren’t now, but for a long time, they were. At the time these priests were getting ordained, they were.

    If the church has learned its lesson, then that’s great. Maybe they can be part of the great Noticing Revolution.

  111. @Reg Cæsar

    If a priest gets a blowjob from a choirboy…
     
    I thought those priests were giving the blowjobs. The choirboy is more likely to go along with that.

    I thought those priests were giving the blowjobs. The choirboy is more likely to go along with that.

    I put it the other way around on purpose to challenge people’s thinking. I have worked with sex offenders and there is no end to human depravity. The emperor Tiberius was supposed to have obtained oral sex from unweaned infants, and I personally know of a similar case in Florida. Is a priest giving a blow job to an adolescent a gay or a pedophile, and how does one know the difference?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Is a priest giving a blow job to an adolescent a gay or a pedophile, and how does one know the difference?
     
    Those are clinical terms-- and pedophile is an abuse of Greek.

    The Church would say he suffers from a moral disorder, and is unfit to be a priest, or even be in communion with the Church, until he repents and reforms.

    On paper, that is. Actual results may vary by jurisdiction.
  112. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1hmouQu0dw

    No offense, but if your young women are attracted to that, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. We have a moderate sized South Asian population in North America. Most women (white, black, Asian, Hispanic) won't consider them. Indian/Paki men are the omega males of America and Canada. Even below East Asians, who are pretty low on the ladder themselves.

    Perhaps British women have different standards of beauty?

    Did Jemima Goldsmith not marry Imran Khan. Some of those Pakistani men are handsome beasts, and let’s face it, British women are about the least attractive of any race, at least if female parliamentarians are anything to go by.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Okay, but Imran Khan was the world's top cricketer back a few decades ago. Yao Ming used to get groupies throwing themselves at him. Yet I wouldn't extrapolate from that and claim that Chinese men are very popular with girls.

    Pakis look like Indians. Handsome beasts? Come on.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "British women are about the least attractive of any race"

    Absolute crap. British women are as beautiful as those of any race, and moreso than those of many.
    , @ben tillman

    Did Jemima Goldsmith not marry Imran Khan. Some of those Pakistani men are handsome beasts, and let’s face it, British women are about the least attractive of any race....
     
    I haven't spent much time in Britain, but there's no doubt that British-American women are the most beautiful in the world.
    , @5371
    It wasn't for nothing that electoral politics was called showbiz for ugly people.
  113. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth
    I'm not buying your week excuses guys. For years you have told me that the press was FALLING ALL OVER ITSELF to VILLIFY any white man who gave a black man a cross look. You always talk about NAMS meaning NON-ASIAN minorities (meaning that Asians are pretty much whites).

    YOU LIED TO ME!!!!

    For years you have told me that the press was FALLING ALL OVER ITSELF to VILLIFY any white man who gave a black man a cross look. You always talk about NAMS meaning NON-ASIAN minorities (meaning that Asians are pretty much whites).

    It doesn’t matter how we talk about them, because we’re not the ones running CNN and the New York Times. The Democratic party is the party of the fringes, and despite their high IQs, low crime rate, and general quality of life, Asians are still part of the “fringe”, meaning that the Democratic media isn’t falling all over themselves to cover their misdeeds.

  114. @Jonathan Mason
    Did Jemima Goldsmith not marry Imran Khan. Some of those Pakistani men are handsome beasts, and let's face it, British women are about the least attractive of any race, at least if female parliamentarians are anything to go by.

    Okay, but Imran Khan was the world’s top cricketer back a few decades ago. Yao Ming used to get groupies throwing themselves at him. Yet I wouldn’t extrapolate from that and claim that Chinese men are very popular with girls.

    Pakis look like Indians. Handsome beasts? Come on.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Rewatch the videos I posted. Find one handsome guy in any of those tapes. I bet you can't.

    Pakis are Indians with slightly lighter skin and (perhaps due to cousin marriage) a little more in facial deformity.
    , @Brutusale
    I'm sure some women would disagree:

    http://photos.filmibeat.com/celebs/salman-khan/photos-c9-e10695-p579532.html
  115. @anon
    It's very simple and I don't understand why people don't get it - maybe a person needs a predatory instinct themselves to understand the obvious.

    12-13 year old girls especially from children's homes are easy targets because they are desperate for love.

    That's it. Not complicated.

    Predators target them on that basis. For some reason muslim populations seem have a much higher percentage of those kind of predators than others.

    The people whose job it is to protect them won't do it because of political correctness.

    I agree with that.

    I’m just pointing out there’s a difference between:

    A. Saying white women like Pakis
    B. Saying vulnerable girls are getting preyed on by adults, most of whom are Paki/Muslim

    I’m arguing against A), but agree with B).

    One other factor that I forgot to point out was drug addiction. Lots of drug dealers in the UK these days are Pakis. So I suppose that could explain why drug addicted underaged girls gravitate toward them to begin with. It’s like an alcoholic gravitating toward the liquor store. I remember in one of the articles, some girl claimed that the grooming problem was directly tied in to drug addiction.

  116. @JohnnyWalker123
    Okay, but Imran Khan was the world's top cricketer back a few decades ago. Yao Ming used to get groupies throwing themselves at him. Yet I wouldn't extrapolate from that and claim that Chinese men are very popular with girls.

    Pakis look like Indians. Handsome beasts? Come on.

    Rewatch the videos I posted. Find one handsome guy in any of those tapes. I bet you can’t.

    Pakis are Indians with slightly lighter skin and (perhaps due to cousin marriage) a little more in facial deformity.

  117. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Marty T
    So I don't understand something. An invader tribe brutally raped thousands of young teenage British girls. Why haven't there been thousands of severe, torturous beatings by lower-middle class British young men against these smelly invaders? Sure, for retribution, but also because it would be a lot of fun.

    Yeah, they'd get arrested. So what? Sometimes you need to be a man.

    There used to be. One of the most famous pastimes of the old skinheads was “Paki-bashing”.

    Supposedly, this was due to racism, pure and simple. But given the fact that I only know about it from the media, how would I really know if it WAS done as a form of retaliation?

    If you believe what the modern media tells you, you’d think that lynching had nothing to do with crimes committed by blacks, and was just a bunch of stupid white guys killing blacks for no reason.

  118. @AndrewR

    Mr. Frat Leader,

    If you don't want to nail black chicks then you are forbidden from nailing any chicks.

    Sincerely,

    The President of Yale
     
    Seriously though, although American blacks do not rank even in my list of Top 100 Favorite Ethnic Groups, I would question the heterosexuality of anyone who categorically rejected the idea that any black girls could be hot.

    I would question the heterosexuality of anyone who categorically rejected the idea that any black girls could be hot.

    I always wonder myself when I read these comments. And they’re often from guys I think are in their 20’s.

    At the very least it sheds some light on why you guys have such a low birthrate.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @anon
    At the very least it sheds some light on why you guys have such a low birthrate.

    Do you see any connection to our relatively low STD rate?
    , @Bill B.
    Yeah. Black American women turn into such lithe babes after the age of 25. Irrisistible.
  119. @Kylie
    I take it you were addressing Kudzu Bob.

    IIRC, he was busy on a project and said he'd be back when he had more time. I hope so.

    IIRC, he was busy on a project and said he’d be back when he had more time. I hope so.

  120. @Truth

    I would question the heterosexuality of anyone who categorically rejected the idea that any black girls could be hot.
     
    I always wonder myself when I read these comments. And they're often from guys I think are in their 20's.

    At the very least it sheds some light on why you guys have such a low birthrate.

    At the very least it sheds some light on why you guys have such a low birthrate.

    Do you see any connection to our relatively low STD rate?

    • Replies: @Truth
    Well of course, I think that would go without saying. Little sex = fewer SEXUALLY transmitted diseases (for better or worse).
  121. @Truth

    I would question the heterosexuality of anyone who categorically rejected the idea that any black girls could be hot.
     
    I always wonder myself when I read these comments. And they're often from guys I think are in their 20's.

    At the very least it sheds some light on why you guys have such a low birthrate.

    Yeah. Black American women turn into such lithe babes after the age of 25. Irrisistible.

  122. @Jonathan Mason
    Did Jemima Goldsmith not marry Imran Khan. Some of those Pakistani men are handsome beasts, and let's face it, British women are about the least attractive of any race, at least if female parliamentarians are anything to go by.

    “British women are about the least attractive of any race”

    Absolute crap. British women are as beautiful as those of any race, and moreso than those of many.

  123. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Really? I thought White British women hated South Asian and Muslim men. From what I've heard, if they interracially mix, they're mostly into Afro-Carribean guys.

    The reason for all the sex grooming gangs is because the men can't get laid through regular means.

    As you must know, judicious bribes of cash – and in the case of Rotherham, hard liquor, cigarettes, illicit drugs of all sorts – including cocaine and heroin -, and not to mention ‘free’ doner kebabs with chips, and yes probably ‘chili sauce’ , do wonders everywhere to breakdown ‘natural female modesty and apprehension of men’.
    Even if the men are popularly characterized as ‘alien, smelly, dirty, primitive, foreign, strange, nerdy etc’.

    ‘This the story of the human condition, as viewed through male eyes.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    judicious bribes of cash – and in the case of Rotherham, hard liquor, cigarettes, illicit drugs of all sorts – including cocaine and heroin -, and not to mention ‘free’ doner kebabs with chips, and yes probably ‘chili sauce’ ,
     
    You left out chocolates.
  124. @Broken Britain
    I don't live in Rotherham but I have lived in a similar northern English town. The post above is correct. Young Pakistan men are seen as a catch by some white women. As far as I can work out it boils down to money and looks.

    Most Pakistani men are fiddling the system and they have money in their pockets. If they work as taxi drivers then they will claim to be working part-time and thus they will be eligible for social security payments, but they will be working full-time and they will not pay tax on their income. Whatever they buy will be bought through insider Muslim contacts and it will be cheaper than the usual market price.

    Older Pakistan usually have the stronger and more exaggerated facial features associated with inbreeding. As they get older they look more and more like peasants. But before this happens the younger men go through a stage where they could be mistaken for a Spaniard or a Greek with a strong face and some women find that attractive.

    You should also realise that in the UK we have an enormous number gormless young people who have been deliberately uneducated by our elites. They will believe anything they are told by our treacherous politicians.

    No one with a brain, who has ever travelled to those countries could possibly mistake a Greek or Spaniard for a Pakistani.

    Pakistanis, as a rule, are nut-brown.

    • Replies: @Broken Britain
    Look at pictures of Notis Sfakianakis and Imran Khan. Do they look like people from different races? I don't think so. Because of Alexander the Great I imagine many Pakistanis have some Greek blood.

    Imran Khan is seen as a very attractive man by British women. It is not just lower class women who are attracted to what might be called the Mediterranean look. It is well known that when Lord Mountbatten was Viceroy of India his wife was having an affair with Jinnah, the Pakistani leader.

    Another factor which makes Pakistani men attractive to some British women is the fact that they will have a good car. That car will probably not be insured and the driver will probably not have passed his driving test legally but that will just make the driver more exiting and interesting in the woman's eyes. These young Pakistani men drive very fast and dangerously. Most of the time you read in the UK of some kid or old person being knocked down by a car going too fast the driver will be a young Muslim male.

    Someone above mentioned that Muslims did not work in the steel mills. Well, I can tell you that I worked for British Steel and we already had special Muslim toilets - i.e. without seats - in 1971. At the time we laughed at them, but one of my co-workers said that it won't be long before all toilets will be like that. At work the Muslims used to put in the hours but the ones I knew didn't put in much effort.

  125. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Marty T
    So I don't understand something. An invader tribe brutally raped thousands of young teenage British girls. Why haven't there been thousands of severe, torturous beatings by lower-middle class British young men against these smelly invaders? Sure, for retribution, but also because it would be a lot of fun.

    Yeah, they'd get arrested. So what? Sometimes you need to be a man.

    Mainly because the entire government, police/state apparatus of Britain – up to and including the full military firepower of the army, not to mention the entirety of the press, BBC, ITV, Sky News, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Cardinal of Westminster, the heads of the Methodist and Baptist churches, the House of Lords, the House of Commons, and outside Britain the UN, the EU, the European Court, NATO, and the biggie the President and Congress of the USA and thus the might of the Pentagon and the CIA, and lastly and lastly the shrill buttholes of the NYT, the WSJ, Time and the arch-wankers at The Economist, will be utterly UNANIMOUS in their expressed desire to *destroy* those whites with ‘extreme prejudice’.

    – and I’m not joking or exaggerating.

  126. @anon
    It was kind of stupid to investigate anyway. I mean, what kind of proof could there have been even if it was true? Unless the bouncer or whoever admitted it, they'd never be able to prove it anyway.

    Of course, the BLM types realize this. It'll go down in their mythology and stay there forever. They'll still claim it happened, but it just couldn't be proven one way or the other.

    I always wonder why people would make up stories so dumb. Could anyone at Yale really be so stupid as to ADMIT that they were not allowing black people in, in a day and age when everything you say could easily be recorded?

    But that's probably why. Because it doesn't matter to the other activist types that it's a stupid story. It'll still serve its purpose for as long as they want it to.

    I’ll bet they said “hot chicks only”. Sounds similar and could have a similar effect depending on the makeup of the crowd. I guarantee some ugly white girls didn’t get in either. Anyone who has ever been to a nightclub with a velvet rope knows this score.

    And the plain girls would be just as disgusted. Another example of Steve’s argument on retconning.

  127. @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's another video with a large crowd of British Pakistanis. They tend to have the same skinnyfat bodies and unaesthetic faces you see in Indians, but their skin color is a bit lighter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRmGwnpHaP0

    Even the young men seem to have facial deformities, particularly if you look at their noses.

    You might call them ‘deformities’ but to them, they are normal and typical facial features.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    I'm sure aborigines find themselves attractive.
  128. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    This study of British sexual behavior found the following:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1486879/Love-league-tables-show-link-to-sexual-disease.html

    A survey of more than 11,000 adults aged between 16 and 44, published today in The Lancet, reveals that white women claim to have had an average of five sexual partners, black Caribbeans four, black Africans three, and both Indians and Pakistanis one.

    Among men, those of black Caribbean and African descent both average nine lovers in their lifetime, followed by whites with six, Indians two and Pakistanis one.
    Dr Kevin Fenton of University College London, the study's lead author, says this was the first research among the general population.

     



    When men were asked about whether they had ever been diagnosed with a STI, 10.9 per cent of whites, 19.7 cent of black Caribbeans and 16.2 per cent of black Africans said they had. The figures for Indian and Pakistani males were 3.4 and 3.2 per cent.

    Despite claiming to have had fewer partners, black women report more STIs, with 22.7 per cent of those of Caribbean descent and 14.1 per cent of those of African descent admitting to at least one. The proportions among whites, Indians and Pakistanis are 12.4, 7.8 and 3.6 per cent respectively.
     
    Even with the grooming, STI (formerly STD) rates are pretty low for the Pakistanis.

    Here's another study -

    This is data taken from England. It comes from the National Chlamydia Screening Program, which is a STI-screening program coordinated by the NHS. The sample size is over 400,000. The participants are in the 15-24 age range.

    http://i60.tinypic.com/256zj2w.jpg

    British South Asian men have very low rates of chlamydia relative to whites. Blacks are higher though. Interestingly, South Asian women are higher than South Asian men in chlamydia infection, but still lower than white&black women.

    Self reported statistics regarding sexuality cannot be trusted.

    I wager that black ‘British’ rates of promiscuity and infection are an order of magnitude higher than that.
    As for Pakistanis, that’s more nuanced. Not promiscuity per se, but a heavy, secret, male usage of prostitutes. I would also wager that female Pakistanis are as damned near a ‘chaste’ and ‘faithful’ population that you will find anywhere.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Due to a medical problem involving my vision, I used to make many visits to an 'outpatient clinic' housed in a large 'teaching hospital' in southwest London, which I shall abbreviate as 'St.G's', a world famous medical institution.
    This hospital, a giant concern, has many varied clinics and wards all housed in a large sprawling campus type affair. Basically, a newcomer is likely to get lost in there, wandering around to find his particular clinic.

    Anyhow, on more than one occasion I was asked by a black male patient for directions to the 'VD clinic'.
    , @ben tillman

    I wager that black ‘British’ rates of promiscuity and infection are an order of magnitude higher than that.
     
    You'd wager that more than 100% of whites in Britain have had an STI?

    Can I be your bookie?
  129. I seem to recall that one of Princess Diana’s lovers was a Pakistani.

    • Replies: @epebble
    Actually she had at least two well known Muslim lovers. Hasnat Khan was a Paki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasnat_Khan Dodi Fayed was Egyptian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodi_Fayed
  130. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR

    Mr. Frat Leader,

    If you don't want to nail black chicks then you are forbidden from nailing any chicks.

    Sincerely,

    The President of Yale
     
    Seriously though, although American blacks do not rank even in my list of Top 100 Favorite Ethnic Groups, I would question the heterosexuality of anyone who categorically rejected the idea that any black girls could be hot.

    I would question the heterosexuality of anyone who categorically rejected the idea that any black girls could be hot.

    Question away dear boy. People have had sex with animals too which doesn’t exactly bolster their heterosexual credentials. They don’t like them them they don’t care for them, it’s up to them what they consider attractive.

  131. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Self reported statistics regarding sexuality cannot be trusted.

    I wager that black 'British' rates of promiscuity and infection are an order of magnitude higher than that.
    As for Pakistanis, that's more nuanced. Not promiscuity per se, but a heavy, secret, male usage of prostitutes. I would also wager that female Pakistanis are as damned near a 'chaste' and 'faithful' population that you will find anywhere.

    Due to a medical problem involving my vision, I used to make many visits to an ‘outpatient clinic’ housed in a large ‘teaching hospital’ in southwest London, which I shall abbreviate as ‘St.G’s’, a world famous medical institution.
    This hospital, a giant concern, has many varied clinics and wards all housed in a large sprawling campus type affair. Basically, a newcomer is likely to get lost in there, wandering around to find his particular clinic.

    Anyhow, on more than one occasion I was asked by a black male patient for directions to the ‘VD clinic’.

  132. @Jonathan Mason

    I thought those priests were giving the blowjobs. The choirboy is more likely to go along with that.
     
    I put it the other way around on purpose to challenge people's thinking. I have worked with sex offenders and there is no end to human depravity. The emperor Tiberius was supposed to have obtained oral sex from unweaned infants, and I personally know of a similar case in Florida. Is a priest giving a blow job to an adolescent a gay or a pedophile, and how does one know the difference?

    Is a priest giving a blow job to an adolescent a gay or a pedophile, and how does one know the difference?

    Those are clinical terms– and pedophile is an abuse of Greek.

    The Church would say he suffers from a moral disorder, and is unfit to be a priest, or even be in communion with the Church, until he repents and reforms.

    On paper, that is. Actual results may vary by jurisdiction.

  133. @Anonymous
    As you must know, judicious bribes of cash - and in the case of Rotherham, hard liquor, cigarettes, illicit drugs of all sorts - including cocaine and heroin -, and not to mention 'free' doner kebabs with chips, and yes probably 'chili sauce' , do wonders everywhere to breakdown 'natural female modesty and apprehension of men'.
    Even if the men are popularly characterized as 'alien, smelly, dirty, primitive, foreign, strange, nerdy etc'.

    'This the story of the human condition, as viewed through male eyes.

    judicious bribes of cash – and in the case of Rotherham, hard liquor, cigarettes, illicit drugs of all sorts – including cocaine and heroin -, and not to mention ‘free’ doner kebabs with chips, and yes probably ‘chili sauce’ ,

    You left out chocolates.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    No.

    Chocolates are for 'romancing' along with roses and perfume.
    I don't think that any of that went on.
    The closest thing to 'perfume' was the rancid stink of old congealed lamb-meat turning around a spit. And 'spit' is the operative word.
  134. @Anonymous
    No one with a brain, who has ever travelled to those countries could possibly mistake a Greek or Spaniard for a Pakistani.

    Pakistanis, as a rule, are nut-brown.

    Look at pictures of Notis Sfakianakis and Imran Khan. Do they look like people from different races? I don’t think so. Because of Alexander the Great I imagine many Pakistanis have some Greek blood.

    Imran Khan is seen as a very attractive man by British women. It is not just lower class women who are attracted to what might be called the Mediterranean look. It is well known that when Lord Mountbatten was Viceroy of India his wife was having an affair with Jinnah, the Pakistani leader.

    Another factor which makes Pakistani men attractive to some British women is the fact that they will have a good car. That car will probably not be insured and the driver will probably not have passed his driving test legally but that will just make the driver more exiting and interesting in the woman’s eyes. These young Pakistani men drive very fast and dangerously. Most of the time you read in the UK of some kid or old person being knocked down by a car going too fast the driver will be a young Muslim male.

    Someone above mentioned that Muslims did not work in the steel mills. Well, I can tell you that I worked for British Steel and we already had special Muslim toilets – i.e. without seats – in 1971. At the time we laughed at them, but one of my co-workers said that it won’t be long before all toilets will be like that. At work the Muslims used to put in the hours but the ones I knew didn’t put in much effort.

    • Replies: @5371
    Nehru not Jinnah.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    None of the Pakis in the video I posted looked as caucasian as Imran Khan. Saying Imran Khan is representative of Pakis is about as accurate as saying Yao Ming represents the typical Chinese person.

    Anyway, Khan's ancestors are originally from Afghanistan, so he's not even ethnically Pakistani. He's a Pashtun. Almost all British Pakistanis are Kasmiri or Panjabi, not Pathan.

    A lot of the Pakis have light olive skin, but Indian features. Not Meditteranean features.

    Another factor which makes Pakistani men attractive to some British women is the fact that they will have a good car. That car will probably not be insured and the driver will probably not have passed his driving test legally but that will just make the driver more exiting and interesting in the woman’s eyes. These young Pakistani men drive very fast and dangerously. Most of the time you read in the UK of some kid or old person being knocked down by a car going too fast the driver will be a young Muslim male.

     

    You might be right here. When the sexually groomed girls were asked why they went with their groomer, they frequently mentioned the excitement associated with the car.

    By the way, go forward in the video to 2:14. Do any of those groomers have looks that a girl would find attractive?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB6zMIrIx-g
    , @Anonymous
    If you really and truly can't distinguish a Greek from a Pakistani, then I have nothing more to say on this matter.
  135. @Reg Cæsar

    judicious bribes of cash – and in the case of Rotherham, hard liquor, cigarettes, illicit drugs of all sorts – including cocaine and heroin -, and not to mention ‘free’ doner kebabs with chips, and yes probably ‘chili sauce’ ,
     
    You left out chocolates.

    No.

    Chocolates are for ‘romancing’ along with roses and perfume.
    I don’t think that any of that went on.
    The closest thing to ‘perfume’ was the rancid stink of old congealed lamb-meat turning around a spit. And ‘spit’ is the operative word.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Consider the case of one Charlotte Downes, from Blackpool, England.

    Charlotte, who I believe was around 15 years old, apparently 'vanished off the face of the earth' a good few years ago.
    She was strongly implicated in a Syrian/Pakistani/Afghan or whatever prostitution ring centered around the 'Mr. Beanz' kebab house in Blackpool - that fast-food joint was enlived by an advertising storefront featuring the image of Rowan Atkinson - he should sue.

    Anyhow, the local police suspected and still suspect 'foul play' from the fast food joint owners/workers. A police phone tap revealed the statement that the owner of the joint, 'filleted Charlotte's body and ground the 'meat' down into kebabs'. Apparently, the police did not take this as a 'joke'.
    The great British justice system awarded the defendants huge cash sums as 'compensation' for various technicalities, although the police are damned near certain that a murder, never mind total body disposal, did take place.

  136. @ReaderfromGreece
    Your theory doesn't work because the Eastern Orthodox Church has always permitted parish priests to marry, and early (pre-Schism) Christian clergymen were largely married. That said, you could probably find sexual abuse in any rigidly hierarchical institution, but all the more in an environment of enforced celibacy. Both monks and nuns have been haunted by accusations of sexual abuse of boys and girls, respectively, and I assume it's less because of a proclivity to homosexuality or certain ages than, to put it rawly, what beings are available, powerless, and easily silenced.

    Your theory doesn’t work because the Eastern Orthodox Church has always permitted parish priests to marry, and early (pre-Schism) Christian clergymen were largely married.

    Not quite. The rule in the Orthodox churches is that married men may be ordained to the diaconate and the priesthood, but a man already ordained to those orders may not marry. Thus a widowed or divorced deacon or priest may not remarry. Additionally, bishops are always selected from among the monastic class and thus are never married–and, of course, cannot wed after being consecrated as bishops. The pre-Schism episcopate was almost uniformly celibate.

    • Replies: @ReaderfromGreece
    I was taught that most early priests were married, but maybe it was misinformation.

    Actually, many ranks of bishops can be widowed, though not divorced. If I understood correctly, Jonathan Mason's original comment inferred that one of the "perks" of early Christianity was that the very male-populated and celibate environment attracted a lot of homosexual men (perhaps free from the pressure to marry and produce children?). That's what I think doesn't seem likely, given that Eastern Orthodox priests can be married. And you'll actually find that the majority do get married, and there is a common tradition of many generations of priests in a family, from father to son(s). Yes, there are various strict marital rules and limitations, but the ability to be recognized as a sexual being (without the atonement for that inherent sin, as in the Catholic church) and work for the church has been present since the earliest forms of Christianity.

  137. @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's another video with a large crowd of British Pakistanis. They tend to have the same skinnyfat bodies and unaesthetic faces you see in Indians, but their skin color is a bit lighter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRmGwnpHaP0

    Even the young men seem to have facial deformities, particularly if you look at their noses.

    They tend to have the same skinnyfat bodies and unaesthetic faces you see in Indians

    Uh-hm:

  138. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    No.

    Chocolates are for 'romancing' along with roses and perfume.
    I don't think that any of that went on.
    The closest thing to 'perfume' was the rancid stink of old congealed lamb-meat turning around a spit. And 'spit' is the operative word.

    Consider the case of one Charlotte Downes, from Blackpool, England.

    Charlotte, who I believe was around 15 years old, apparently ‘vanished off the face of the earth’ a good few years ago.
    She was strongly implicated in a Syrian/Pakistani/Afghan or whatever prostitution ring centered around the ‘Mr. Beanz’ kebab house in Blackpool – that fast-food joint was enlived by an advertising storefront featuring the image of Rowan Atkinson – he should sue.

    Anyhow, the local police suspected and still suspect ‘foul play’ from the fast food joint owners/workers. A police phone tap revealed the statement that the owner of the joint, ‘filleted Charlotte’s body and ground the ‘meat’ down into kebabs’. Apparently, the police did not take this as a ‘joke’.
    The great British justice system awarded the defendants huge cash sums as ‘compensation’ for various technicalities, although the police are damned near certain that a murder, never mind total body disposal, did take place.

  139. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1hmouQu0dw

    No offense, but if your young women are attracted to that, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. We have a moderate sized South Asian population in North America. Most women (white, black, Asian, Hispanic) won't consider them. Indian/Paki men are the omega males of America and Canada. Even below East Asians, who are pretty low on the ladder themselves.

    Perhaps British women have different standards of beauty?

    Actually I know many Indians (and a Bangladeshi) married to nice white husbands/wives. Many men and women have different expectations. In many cases the usual desire seems to be, for many men, a more ‘feminine’ (i.e. less aggressive) domestic oriented person. Many STEM men/women also marry fellow STEM women/men, so this becomes assortative. STEM white women are few; so white STEM men select Asian STEM women. For many white women, the desire is stability (i.e. long term marriage, monogamy) and reliable earning power. In case of the white woman who married the Bangladeshi (the guy is a chip designer), the woman unhesitatingly mentioned that most white men she knows are dumb (my guess is she may be from Bakersfield – Fresno area – interior CA ). So, it is not always beauty!

    By the way, they have a really smart and good looking daughter, Arianna Afsar, who is a beauty queen and actress https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianna_Afsar

    See pic. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3334138/

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    Thanks for those links.

    Arianna is a real winner!
  140. @Broken Britain
    I don't live in Rotherham but I have lived in a similar northern English town. The post above is correct. Young Pakistan men are seen as a catch by some white women. As far as I can work out it boils down to money and looks.

    Most Pakistani men are fiddling the system and they have money in their pockets. If they work as taxi drivers then they will claim to be working part-time and thus they will be eligible for social security payments, but they will be working full-time and they will not pay tax on their income. Whatever they buy will be bought through insider Muslim contacts and it will be cheaper than the usual market price.

    Older Pakistan usually have the stronger and more exaggerated facial features associated with inbreeding. As they get older they look more and more like peasants. But before this happens the younger men go through a stage where they could be mistaken for a Spaniard or a Greek with a strong face and some women find that attractive.

    You should also realise that in the UK we have an enormous number gormless young people who have been deliberately uneducated by our elites. They will believe anything they are told by our treacherous politicians.

    Ann Coulter retweets Rotherham scandal.

    Do any of those guys look Greek/Spanish to you?

  141. @anon
    At the very least it sheds some light on why you guys have such a low birthrate.

    Do you see any connection to our relatively low STD rate?

    Well of course, I think that would go without saying. Little sex = fewer SEXUALLY transmitted diseases (for better or worse).

  142. @Anonymous
    You might call them 'deformities' but to them, they are normal and typical facial features.

    I’m sure aborigines find themselves attractive.

  143. @wolfy
    the problem for hbd people is why the other south Asian people like Sikhs and Hindus don't commit these crimes at the same rate.

    the problem for hbd people is why the other south Asian people like Sikhs and Hindus don’t commit these crimes at the same rate.

    You’re pointing to an example of human biodiversity. Why would that be a problem for “human biodiversity” people?

  144. @JohnnyWalker123
    Okay, but Imran Khan was the world's top cricketer back a few decades ago. Yao Ming used to get groupies throwing themselves at him. Yet I wouldn't extrapolate from that and claim that Chinese men are very popular with girls.

    Pakis look like Indians. Handsome beasts? Come on.
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Those pictures are photshopped.

    Here's what he really looks like:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6v_Tcdp3Jk

    Greek/Spanish lothario.
  145. @anon
    They can call him white in the newspapers but he doesn't look white enough for TV.

    I guess they learned their lesson after assuming someone with a name like Zimmerman would be white.

    good attempted deflection though - well not really - in either sense of the word

    I guess they learned their lesson after assuming someone with a name like Zimmerman would be white.

    They didn’t presume he was white because of his name; they presumed it because the police report said he was white.

    • Replies: @anon
    My mistake, ty.

    The conclusion is the same though. The media started an anti-white lynching with Zimmerman and then couldn't back down when they realised that the guy only looking half-white was making white people think the media is driven by anti-white racism - which they are - so they're not making the same mistake with Holztclaw.
  146. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Ann Coulter retweets Rotherham scandal.

    1) Good for her. She realises the significance.

    nb “Rotherham” is a good label but it’s important to realise it’s not just one town. The media try to corral it to Rotherham because they want to pretend it was a specific failure in one town. They are lying. It is all over the UK (and western Europe).

    https://kafircrusaders.wordpress.com/muslim-grooming-paedo-map/

    2) A lot of people want to try and deflect the blame onto the girls because they realise how damaging the story is to the pro-immigration agenda.

    3) The true story is it fits a version of jihad that revolves around rape and forced marriage that is going on from Egypt to England – low level religious warfare.

  147. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1hmouQu0dw

    No offense, but if your young women are attracted to that, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. We have a moderate sized South Asian population in North America. Most women (white, black, Asian, Hispanic) won't consider them. Indian/Paki men are the omega males of America and Canada. Even below East Asians, who are pretty low on the ladder themselves.

    Perhaps British women have different standards of beauty?

    Perhaps British women have different standards of beauty?

    It sounds more like they like Pakis because the Pakis are socially dominant. They are the victors in teh ethnic conflict, while Englishmen are the vanquished.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    the Pakis are socially dominant.

     

    Is that correct?

    Pakis and whites have similar arrest rates.

    Also, commenter "Simon in London" said this:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/trying-to-gentrify-a-jihadi-neighborhood-the-molenbeek-case-study/#comment-1237370

    Good gangs are brown-belt, eg Tamil is good, they only kill each other.
    Muslim gangs are not nearly as bad as (non-Muslim) black gangs – they may seduce & molest the teenage daughters of the white working class, but they very rarely attack strangers on the street. HOWEVER this may be changing as our established Pakistani gangs are now joined by Arabs, who are much more dangerous to lone women, boys etc. The Pakistani gangs fight each other and deal drugs, but pretty well never mug strangers on the street. Black gangsters do it all the time. Areas with heavy black gang presence do have brave white settlers, but their behaviour is highly constrained and no one wants to raise children there.
     
    Part of social street dominance is beating up strangers to mark your territory. That's often been associated with blacks, but I'm not sure if that's associated with the South Asian Muslims.

    South Asians, by the way, were underrepresented during the 2011 British riots.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/who-is-rioting/

    Looking at those pics of rioters and toting them up in a spreadsheet – the demography is 60% Black, 35% White, 5% South Asian.

    Demography of the city of Birmingham (where the shots are sourced from) is – ” 70.4% of the population was White (including 3.22% Irish & 1.49% Other White), 19.5% British Asian, 6.1% Black or Black British, 0.52% Chinese, 2.9% of mixed race and 0.63% of other ethnic heritage.”

    So merging mixed race and Black, we have a per capita representation level of White – 0.5, Black (amalgamating Black and Mixed race in the American fashion) – 6.7 and South Asian – 0.25 (assuming they are all Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, those would have a rep of around 0.35).

    Now since the demographics are younger around ethnic minorities and older among Whites, I’d say that it probably normalizes to age around 6-8x White representation level among Blacks and a 1/4x White representation level among South Asians (and you could take it as 1/2 White representation level among Muslims, if you assume they’re all Muslims, and correspondingly assume 0 Hindu representation).

     

  148. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    I guess they learned their lesson after assuming someone with a name like Zimmerman would be white.
     
    They didn't presume he was white because of his name; they presumed it because the police report said he was white.

    My mistake, ty.

    The conclusion is the same though. The media started an anti-white lynching with Zimmerman and then couldn’t back down when they realised that the guy only looking half-white was making white people think the media is driven by anti-white racism – which they are – so they’re not making the same mistake with Holztclaw.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    I agree with you.
  149. @Jonathan Mason
    Did Jemima Goldsmith not marry Imran Khan. Some of those Pakistani men are handsome beasts, and let's face it, British women are about the least attractive of any race, at least if female parliamentarians are anything to go by.

    Did Jemima Goldsmith not marry Imran Khan. Some of those Pakistani men are handsome beasts, and let’s face it, British women are about the least attractive of any race….

    I haven’t spent much time in Britain, but there’s no doubt that British-American women are the most beautiful in the world.

  150. @Anonymous
    Self reported statistics regarding sexuality cannot be trusted.

    I wager that black 'British' rates of promiscuity and infection are an order of magnitude higher than that.
    As for Pakistanis, that's more nuanced. Not promiscuity per se, but a heavy, secret, male usage of prostitutes. I would also wager that female Pakistanis are as damned near a 'chaste' and 'faithful' population that you will find anywhere.

    I wager that black ‘British’ rates of promiscuity and infection are an order of magnitude higher than that.

    You’d wager that more than 100% of whites in Britain have had an STI?

    Can I be your bookie?

  151. @Jonathan Mason
    Did Jemima Goldsmith not marry Imran Khan. Some of those Pakistani men are handsome beasts, and let's face it, British women are about the least attractive of any race, at least if female parliamentarians are anything to go by.

    It wasn’t for nothing that electoral politics was called showbiz for ugly people.

  152. @Percy Gryce

    Your theory doesn’t work because the Eastern Orthodox Church has always permitted parish priests to marry, and early (pre-Schism) Christian clergymen were largely married.
     
    Not quite. The rule in the Orthodox churches is that married men may be ordained to the diaconate and the priesthood, but a man already ordained to those orders may not marry. Thus a widowed or divorced deacon or priest may not remarry. Additionally, bishops are always selected from among the monastic class and thus are never married--and, of course, cannot wed after being consecrated as bishops. The pre-Schism episcopate was almost uniformly celibate.

    I was taught that most early priests were married, but maybe it was misinformation.

    Actually, many ranks of bishops can be widowed, though not divorced. If I understood correctly, Jonathan Mason’s original comment inferred that one of the “perks” of early Christianity was that the very male-populated and celibate environment attracted a lot of homosexual men (perhaps free from the pressure to marry and produce children?). That’s what I think doesn’t seem likely, given that Eastern Orthodox priests can be married. And you’ll actually find that the majority do get married, and there is a common tradition of many generations of priests in a family, from father to son(s). Yes, there are various strict marital rules and limitations, but the ability to be recognized as a sexual being (without the atonement for that inherent sin, as in the Catholic church) and work for the church has been present since the earliest forms of Christianity.

    • Replies: @Tracy

    I was taught that most early priests were married, but maybe it was misinformation.
     
    Some were married (St. Peter, for ex.), but they were expected to remain sexually continent before offering the Sacrifice. Because of that expectation, and because the Sacrifice is offered daily, celibacy very quickly became the norm.

    Yes, there are various strict marital rules and limitations, but the ability to be recognized as a sexual being (without the atonement for that inherent sin, as in the Catholic church) and work for the church has been present since the earliest forms of Christianity.
     
    Not sure where you're getting the idea that the Church sees clergy and religious as "not sexual beings," but that's not the case. Having sex is the issue, not being a human being, all of whom being sexual. IOW, there is no "sin" -- inherent or otherwise -- to "atone for" in being a sexual being.
  153. @Anonymous

    His dad is white and his mom is apparently Japanese.

    http://www.whio.com/ap/ap/oklahoma/oklahoma-ex-cop-guilty-of-18-counts-in-sex-assault/pCtrCb/
     
    Wow, is that his mother?? She looks young! Holtzclaw played linebacker at Eastern Michigan from 2005-2008 and was the second leading tackler in team history.

    It must have been in his football days that he got hooked on black women.

  154. @JohnnyWalker123
    This study of British sexual behavior found the following:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1486879/Love-league-tables-show-link-to-sexual-disease.html

    A survey of more than 11,000 adults aged between 16 and 44, published today in The Lancet, reveals that white women claim to have had an average of five sexual partners, black Caribbeans four, black Africans three, and both Indians and Pakistanis one.

    Among men, those of black Caribbean and African descent both average nine lovers in their lifetime, followed by whites with six, Indians two and Pakistanis one.
    Dr Kevin Fenton of University College London, the study's lead author, says this was the first research among the general population.

     



    When men were asked about whether they had ever been diagnosed with a STI, 10.9 per cent of whites, 19.7 cent of black Caribbeans and 16.2 per cent of black Africans said they had. The figures for Indian and Pakistani males were 3.4 and 3.2 per cent.

    Despite claiming to have had fewer partners, black women report more STIs, with 22.7 per cent of those of Caribbean descent and 14.1 per cent of those of African descent admitting to at least one. The proportions among whites, Indians and Pakistanis are 12.4, 7.8 and 3.6 per cent respectively.
     
    Even with the grooming, STI (formerly STD) rates are pretty low for the Pakistanis.

    Here's another study -

    This is data taken from England. It comes from the National Chlamydia Screening Program, which is a STI-screening program coordinated by the NHS. The sample size is over 400,000. The participants are in the 15-24 age range.

    http://i60.tinypic.com/256zj2w.jpg

    British South Asian men have very low rates of chlamydia relative to whites. Blacks are higher though. Interestingly, South Asian women are higher than South Asian men in chlamydia infection, but still lower than white&black women.

    I don’t for a moment believe that black “British” women are more chaste than white. Certainly US surveys with a much higher number of participants tell a different story.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Black women self-report fewer partners than White British women, but self-report a higher rate of lifetime STI infection.

    What does that imply?

    It implies black women are underreporting the number of sexual partners they've had. This is likely due to cultural stigma against promiscuous women.

  155. @AndrewR
    What? Not all gays are pedophiles. Not all gay priests are pedophiles. The abuser priests are pedophiles who happen to be gay. Their pedophilia has nothing to do with their homosexuality.

    “Not all gays are pedophiles.”

    No, not all. However, gays have a much greater orientation towards youth than do normal men. Not all blacks are stupid.

    “The abuser priests are pedophiles who happen to be gay. ”

    No, they are pretty much standard issue faggots. They act the way faggots act. Those stereotypes about chicken hawks and recruitment? Like most stereotypes, they are true.

    “Their pedophilia has nothing to do with their homosexuality.”

    Of course not. It’s a well known principle of psychiatry that having one mental illness in no way makes it more likely that you have other mental illnesses. Also, high blood pressure and cardiovascular disease have nothing to do with one another.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Interesting how Steve allows the unhinged and unemployed, like our pitiful friend Bill here, to pollute what is supposed to be an intellectual space with childish, hateful slurs like "faggot", while deleting other, far less toxic comments due to... I don't know, really.

    But keep begging hat in hand for donations, Steve. It's enjoyable to watch.
  156. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I hate actually spelling it out because under normal circumstances it’s a good thing if a lot of people are too stupid to figure it out themselves but as this is quite important I suppose it has to be said.

    A situation that revolves around 12-13 year old girls from children’s homes or broken homes has nothing to do with
    – attractiveness
    – social dominance
    – alpha males.

    12-13 year old girls from children’s homes can be manipulated into anything if you tell them you love them.

    That is it. Nothing else.

    Under normal circumstances I’d be glad a lot of people are too stupid to understand this but in a politically correct society I suppose it has to be spelled out because predators are taking advantage of that fact and the people who should be protecting these girls while they’re at their most vulnerable, aren’t doing it.

    and again, the critical point is the US has a chance to prevent this happening.

  157. @Broken Britain
    Look at pictures of Notis Sfakianakis and Imran Khan. Do they look like people from different races? I don't think so. Because of Alexander the Great I imagine many Pakistanis have some Greek blood.

    Imran Khan is seen as a very attractive man by British women. It is not just lower class women who are attracted to what might be called the Mediterranean look. It is well known that when Lord Mountbatten was Viceroy of India his wife was having an affair with Jinnah, the Pakistani leader.

    Another factor which makes Pakistani men attractive to some British women is the fact that they will have a good car. That car will probably not be insured and the driver will probably not have passed his driving test legally but that will just make the driver more exiting and interesting in the woman's eyes. These young Pakistani men drive very fast and dangerously. Most of the time you read in the UK of some kid or old person being knocked down by a car going too fast the driver will be a young Muslim male.

    Someone above mentioned that Muslims did not work in the steel mills. Well, I can tell you that I worked for British Steel and we already had special Muslim toilets - i.e. without seats - in 1971. At the time we laughed at them, but one of my co-workers said that it won't be long before all toilets will be like that. At work the Muslims used to put in the hours but the ones I knew didn't put in much effort.

    Nehru not Jinnah.

  158. @Brutusale
    I'm sure some women would disagree:

    http://photos.filmibeat.com/celebs/salman-khan/photos-c9-e10695-p579532.html

    Those pictures are photshopped.

    Here’s what he really looks like:

    Greek/Spanish lothario.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Yeah, unlike the shots of every leading man and starlet in Hollywood, right?
  159. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t for a moment believe that black “British” women are more chaste than white.

    Bear in mind “black” in the UK used to just mean Caribbean but in the last 16 years or so there was an explosion from Africa including a lot of north and east African moslems. They do FGM for a reason.

    (By that I just mean the “black” average in the UK is in a process of transition. I don’t know where it currently is.)

    .

    Consider the case of one Charlotte Downes, from Blackpool, England.

    (Charlene)

    An addendum to that is the police were ignoring the grooming same as everywhere else. The only reason the grooming / murder connection came about was because MI5 had the guys involved under surveillance as possible jihadist suspects and they joked about the murder / dismemberment on tape.

    The police had been pretending it was a missing person case but the info leaked and they had to turn it into a murder investigation even though all they had was the tape which wasn’t enough on its own in the context of joking.

    There is probably more evidence out there but locked inside a community that won’t talk.

    • Replies: @5371
    Good point.
  160. @JohnnyWalker123
    Those pictures are photshopped.

    Here's what he really looks like:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6v_Tcdp3Jk

    Greek/Spanish lothario.

    Yeah, unlike the shots of every leading man and starlet in Hollywood, right?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    That guy is supposed to represent the apex of South Asian handsomeness. There may be a lot of ugly Hollywood actors, but most of them are far better looking. Even our ugly guys are still well above him. If that's the best you can find, then my point stands.

    Anyway the videos I posted earlier contain a more representative cross section of what the men look like. I really doubt anyone could find those men appealing. Though, as has been pointed out, a drug addicted woman might find any man attractive if he's got cocaine and heroin.
  161. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Salman Khan looks a bit like Keith Allen (UK actor who is good looking in a battered sort of way).

    Caste probably has something to do with this. One of the factors in this whole debate is the western political elite are deliberately dealing from the bottom of the deck because they want cheap labor.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Keith Allen looks like a washed up drunk.
  162. @Bill
    "Not all gays are pedophiles."

    No, not all. However, gays have a much greater orientation towards youth than do normal men. Not all blacks are stupid.

    "The abuser priests are pedophiles who happen to be gay. "

    No, they are pretty much standard issue faggots. They act the way faggots act. Those stereotypes about chicken hawks and recruitment? Like most stereotypes, they are true.

    "Their pedophilia has nothing to do with their homosexuality."

    Of course not. It's a well known principle of psychiatry that having one mental illness in no way makes it more likely that you have other mental illnesses. Also, high blood pressure and cardiovascular disease have nothing to do with one another.

    Interesting how Steve allows the unhinged and unemployed, like our pitiful friend Bill here, to pollute what is supposed to be an intellectual space with childish, hateful slurs like “faggot”, while deleting other, far less toxic comments due to… I don’t know, really.

    But keep begging hat in hand for donations, Steve. It’s enjoyable to watch.

    • Replies: @anon
    to pollute what is supposed to be an intellectual space with childish, hateful slurs like “faggot”, while deleting other, far less toxic comments due to… I don’t know, really.

    Excessive prissiness, perhaps?

    Why didn't you respond to his points?

  163. @AndrewR
    Interesting how Steve allows the unhinged and unemployed, like our pitiful friend Bill here, to pollute what is supposed to be an intellectual space with childish, hateful slurs like "faggot", while deleting other, far less toxic comments due to... I don't know, really.

    But keep begging hat in hand for donations, Steve. It's enjoyable to watch.

    to pollute what is supposed to be an intellectual space with childish, hateful slurs like “faggot”, while deleting other, far less toxic comments due to… I don’t know, really.

    Excessive prissiness, perhaps?

    Why didn’t you respond to his points?

  164. @5371
    I don't for a moment believe that black "British" women are more chaste than white. Certainly US surveys with a much higher number of participants tell a different story.

    Black women self-report fewer partners than White British women, but self-report a higher rate of lifetime STI infection.

    What does that imply?

    It implies black women are underreporting the number of sexual partners they’ve had. This is likely due to cultural stigma against promiscuous women.

  165. @anon
    Salman Khan looks a bit like Keith Allen (UK actor who is good looking in a battered sort of way).

    Caste probably has something to do with this. One of the factors in this whole debate is the western political elite are deliberately dealing from the bottom of the deck because they want cheap labor.

    Keith Allen looks like a washed up drunk.

  166. @Brutusale
    Yeah, unlike the shots of every leading man and starlet in Hollywood, right?

    That guy is supposed to represent the apex of South Asian handsomeness. There may be a lot of ugly Hollywood actors, but most of them are far better looking. Even our ugly guys are still well above him. If that’s the best you can find, then my point stands.

    Anyway the videos I posted earlier contain a more representative cross section of what the men look like. I really doubt anyone could find those men appealing. Though, as has been pointed out, a drug addicted woman might find any man attractive if he’s got cocaine and heroin.

  167. @Jonathan Mason
    I seem to recall that one of Princess Diana's lovers was a Pakistani.

    Actually she had at least two well known Muslim lovers. Hasnat Khan was a Paki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasnat_Khan Dodi Fayed was Egyptian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodi_Fayed

  168. @Broken Britain
    Look at pictures of Notis Sfakianakis and Imran Khan. Do they look like people from different races? I don't think so. Because of Alexander the Great I imagine many Pakistanis have some Greek blood.

    Imran Khan is seen as a very attractive man by British women. It is not just lower class women who are attracted to what might be called the Mediterranean look. It is well known that when Lord Mountbatten was Viceroy of India his wife was having an affair with Jinnah, the Pakistani leader.

    Another factor which makes Pakistani men attractive to some British women is the fact that they will have a good car. That car will probably not be insured and the driver will probably not have passed his driving test legally but that will just make the driver more exiting and interesting in the woman's eyes. These young Pakistani men drive very fast and dangerously. Most of the time you read in the UK of some kid or old person being knocked down by a car going too fast the driver will be a young Muslim male.

    Someone above mentioned that Muslims did not work in the steel mills. Well, I can tell you that I worked for British Steel and we already had special Muslim toilets - i.e. without seats - in 1971. At the time we laughed at them, but one of my co-workers said that it won't be long before all toilets will be like that. At work the Muslims used to put in the hours but the ones I knew didn't put in much effort.

    None of the Pakis in the video I posted looked as caucasian as Imran Khan. Saying Imran Khan is representative of Pakis is about as accurate as saying Yao Ming represents the typical Chinese person.

    Anyway, Khan’s ancestors are originally from Afghanistan, so he’s not even ethnically Pakistani. He’s a Pashtun. Almost all British Pakistanis are Kasmiri or Panjabi, not Pathan.

    A lot of the Pakis have light olive skin, but Indian features. Not Meditteranean features.

    Another factor which makes Pakistani men attractive to some British women is the fact that they will have a good car. That car will probably not be insured and the driver will probably not have passed his driving test legally but that will just make the driver more exiting and interesting in the woman’s eyes. These young Pakistani men drive very fast and dangerously. Most of the time you read in the UK of some kid or old person being knocked down by a car going too fast the driver will be a young Muslim male.

    You might be right here. When the sexually groomed girls were asked why they went with their groomer, they frequently mentioned the excitement associated with the car.

    By the way, go forward in the video to 2:14. Do any of those groomers have looks that a girl would find attractive?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "A lot of the Pakis have light olive skin, but Indian features. Not Meditteranean features."

    The lightest skin Pakistanis look like Gulf Arabs from Dubai. The darkest skin Pakistanis look like Slum Dog Millionaire.

    This is why even people with a broader definition of White do not generally include Pakistanis in their definition of White, let alone people with a stricter narrow definition of White.

  169. @ben tillman

    Perhaps British women have different standards of beauty?
     
    It sounds more like they like Pakis because the Pakis are socially dominant. They are the victors in teh ethnic conflict, while Englishmen are the vanquished.

    the Pakis are socially dominant.

    Is that correct?

    Pakis and whites have similar arrest rates.

    Also, commenter “Simon in London” said this:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/trying-to-gentrify-a-jihadi-neighborhood-the-molenbeek-case-study/#comment-1237370

    Good gangs are brown-belt, eg Tamil is good, they only kill each other.
    Muslim gangs are not nearly as bad as (non-Muslim) black gangs – they may seduce & molest the teenage daughters of the white working class, but they very rarely attack strangers on the street. HOWEVER this may be changing as our established Pakistani gangs are now joined by Arabs, who are much more dangerous to lone women, boys etc. The Pakistani gangs fight each other and deal drugs, but pretty well never mug strangers on the street. Black gangsters do it all the time. Areas with heavy black gang presence do have brave white settlers, but their behaviour is highly constrained and no one wants to raise children there.

    Part of social street dominance is beating up strangers to mark your territory. That’s often been associated with blacks, but I’m not sure if that’s associated with the South Asian Muslims.

    South Asians, by the way, were underrepresented during the 2011 British riots.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/who-is-rioting/

    Looking at those pics of rioters and toting them up in a spreadsheet – the demography is 60% Black, 35% White, 5% South Asian.

    Demography of the city of Birmingham (where the shots are sourced from) is – ” 70.4% of the population was White (including 3.22% Irish & 1.49% Other White), 19.5% British Asian, 6.1% Black or Black British, 0.52% Chinese, 2.9% of mixed race and 0.63% of other ethnic heritage.”

    So merging mixed race and Black, we have a per capita representation level of White – 0.5, Black (amalgamating Black and Mixed race in the American fashion) – 6.7 and South Asian – 0.25 (assuming they are all Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, those would have a rep of around 0.35).

    Now since the demographics are younger around ethnic minorities and older among Whites, I’d say that it probably normalizes to age around 6-8x White representation level among Blacks and a 1/4x White representation level among South Asians (and you could take it as 1/2 White representation level among Muslims, if you assume they’re all Muslims, and correspondingly assume 0 Hindu representation).

    • Agree: Hail
  170. @ReaderfromGreece
    I was taught that most early priests were married, but maybe it was misinformation.

    Actually, many ranks of bishops can be widowed, though not divorced. If I understood correctly, Jonathan Mason's original comment inferred that one of the "perks" of early Christianity was that the very male-populated and celibate environment attracted a lot of homosexual men (perhaps free from the pressure to marry and produce children?). That's what I think doesn't seem likely, given that Eastern Orthodox priests can be married. And you'll actually find that the majority do get married, and there is a common tradition of many generations of priests in a family, from father to son(s). Yes, there are various strict marital rules and limitations, but the ability to be recognized as a sexual being (without the atonement for that inherent sin, as in the Catholic church) and work for the church has been present since the earliest forms of Christianity.

    I was taught that most early priests were married, but maybe it was misinformation.

    Some were married (St. Peter, for ex.), but they were expected to remain sexually continent before offering the Sacrifice. Because of that expectation, and because the Sacrifice is offered daily, celibacy very quickly became the norm.

    Yes, there are various strict marital rules and limitations, but the ability to be recognized as a sexual being (without the atonement for that inherent sin, as in the Catholic church) and work for the church has been present since the earliest forms of Christianity.

    Not sure where you’re getting the idea that the Church sees clergy and religious as “not sexual beings,” but that’s not the case. Having sex is the issue, not being a human being, all of whom being sexual. IOW, there is no “sin” — inherent or otherwise — to “atone for” in being a sexual being.

    • Replies: @ReaderfromGreece
    I didn't say the Catholic church doesn't view all people as sexual beings, but (with the exception of some converts) it mandates celibacy from its clergy, and it views any sexual act that's not between two spouses not just as wrong, but as inherently evil and severely immoral. Its language and doctrines on sexual morality are far more harsh, laden with evil and shame, than in the Eastern Orthodox Church, and a critical exploration of that, in addition to the other institutional problems shared by most other Christian churches, would go a long way in understanding why it's been plagued by so many sexual abuse scandals.
  171. @Broken Britain
    Look at pictures of Notis Sfakianakis and Imran Khan. Do they look like people from different races? I don't think so. Because of Alexander the Great I imagine many Pakistanis have some Greek blood.

    Imran Khan is seen as a very attractive man by British women. It is not just lower class women who are attracted to what might be called the Mediterranean look. It is well known that when Lord Mountbatten was Viceroy of India his wife was having an affair with Jinnah, the Pakistani leader.

    Another factor which makes Pakistani men attractive to some British women is the fact that they will have a good car. That car will probably not be insured and the driver will probably not have passed his driving test legally but that will just make the driver more exiting and interesting in the woman's eyes. These young Pakistani men drive very fast and dangerously. Most of the time you read in the UK of some kid or old person being knocked down by a car going too fast the driver will be a young Muslim male.

    Someone above mentioned that Muslims did not work in the steel mills. Well, I can tell you that I worked for British Steel and we already had special Muslim toilets - i.e. without seats - in 1971. At the time we laughed at them, but one of my co-workers said that it won't be long before all toilets will be like that. At work the Muslims used to put in the hours but the ones I knew didn't put in much effort.

    If you really and truly can’t distinguish a Greek from a Pakistani, then I have nothing more to say on this matter.

  172. @anon

    I don’t for a moment believe that black “British” women are more chaste than white.
     
    Bear in mind "black" in the UK used to just mean Caribbean but in the last 16 years or so there was an explosion from Africa including a lot of north and east African moslems. They do FGM for a reason.

    (By that I just mean the "black" average in the UK is in a process of transition. I don't know where it currently is.)

    .

    Consider the case of one Charlotte Downes, from Blackpool, England.
     

    (Charlene)

    An addendum to that is the police were ignoring the grooming same as everywhere else. The only reason the grooming / murder connection came about was because MI5 had the guys involved under surveillance as possible jihadist suspects and they joked about the murder / dismemberment on tape.

    The police had been pretending it was a missing person case but the info leaked and they had to turn it into a murder investigation even though all they had was the tape which wasn't enough on its own in the context of joking.

    There is probably more evidence out there but locked inside a community that won't talk.

    Good point.

  173. @Tracy

    I was taught that most early priests were married, but maybe it was misinformation.
     
    Some were married (St. Peter, for ex.), but they were expected to remain sexually continent before offering the Sacrifice. Because of that expectation, and because the Sacrifice is offered daily, celibacy very quickly became the norm.

    Yes, there are various strict marital rules and limitations, but the ability to be recognized as a sexual being (without the atonement for that inherent sin, as in the Catholic church) and work for the church has been present since the earliest forms of Christianity.
     
    Not sure where you're getting the idea that the Church sees clergy and religious as "not sexual beings," but that's not the case. Having sex is the issue, not being a human being, all of whom being sexual. IOW, there is no "sin" -- inherent or otherwise -- to "atone for" in being a sexual being.

    I didn’t say the Catholic church doesn’t view all people as sexual beings, but (with the exception of some converts) it mandates celibacy from its clergy, and it views any sexual act that’s not between two spouses not just as wrong, but as inherently evil and severely immoral. Its language and doctrines on sexual morality are far more harsh, laden with evil and shame, than in the Eastern Orthodox Church, and a critical exploration of that, in addition to the other institutional problems shared by most other Christian churches, would go a long way in understanding why it’s been plagued by so many sexual abuse scandals.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce

    I didn’t say the Catholic church doesn’t view all people as sexual beings, but (with the exception of some converts) it mandates celibacy from its clergy
     
    No, that's not correct either. The Catholic Church in its Eastern churches has a married clergy, both deacons and priests, and in the Western churches married men have been ordained to the diaconate for the last 40 years. There are over 13,000 married Catholic deacons in the United States alone.
  174. @epebble
    Actually I know many Indians (and a Bangladeshi) married to nice white husbands/wives. Many men and women have different expectations. In many cases the usual desire seems to be, for many men, a more 'feminine' (i.e. less aggressive) domestic oriented person. Many STEM men/women also marry fellow STEM women/men, so this becomes assortative. STEM white women are few; so white STEM men select Asian STEM women. For many white women, the desire is stability (i.e. long term marriage, monogamy) and reliable earning power. In case of the white woman who married the Bangladeshi (the guy is a chip designer), the woman unhesitatingly mentioned that most white men she knows are dumb (my guess is she may be from Bakersfield - Fresno area - interior CA ). So, it is not always beauty!

    By the way, they have a really smart and good looking daughter, Arianna Afsar, who is a beauty queen and actress https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianna_Afsar

    See pic. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3334138/

    Thanks for those links.

    Arianna is a real winner!

  175. @ReaderfromGreece
    I didn't say the Catholic church doesn't view all people as sexual beings, but (with the exception of some converts) it mandates celibacy from its clergy, and it views any sexual act that's not between two spouses not just as wrong, but as inherently evil and severely immoral. Its language and doctrines on sexual morality are far more harsh, laden with evil and shame, than in the Eastern Orthodox Church, and a critical exploration of that, in addition to the other institutional problems shared by most other Christian churches, would go a long way in understanding why it's been plagued by so many sexual abuse scandals.

    I didn’t say the Catholic church doesn’t view all people as sexual beings, but (with the exception of some converts) it mandates celibacy from its clergy

    No, that’s not correct either. The Catholic Church in its Eastern churches has a married clergy, both deacons and priests, and in the Western churches married men have been ordained to the diaconate for the last 40 years. There are over 13,000 married Catholic deacons in the United States alone.

  176. @JohnnyWalker123
    None of the Pakis in the video I posted looked as caucasian as Imran Khan. Saying Imran Khan is representative of Pakis is about as accurate as saying Yao Ming represents the typical Chinese person.

    Anyway, Khan's ancestors are originally from Afghanistan, so he's not even ethnically Pakistani. He's a Pashtun. Almost all British Pakistanis are Kasmiri or Panjabi, not Pathan.

    A lot of the Pakis have light olive skin, but Indian features. Not Meditteranean features.

    Another factor which makes Pakistani men attractive to some British women is the fact that they will have a good car. That car will probably not be insured and the driver will probably not have passed his driving test legally but that will just make the driver more exiting and interesting in the woman’s eyes. These young Pakistani men drive very fast and dangerously. Most of the time you read in the UK of some kid or old person being knocked down by a car going too fast the driver will be a young Muslim male.

     

    You might be right here. When the sexually groomed girls were asked why they went with their groomer, they frequently mentioned the excitement associated with the car.

    By the way, go forward in the video to 2:14. Do any of those groomers have looks that a girl would find attractive?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB6zMIrIx-g

    “A lot of the Pakis have light olive skin, but Indian features. Not Meditteranean features.”

    The lightest skin Pakistanis look like Gulf Arabs from Dubai. The darkest skin Pakistanis look like Slum Dog Millionaire.

    This is why even people with a broader definition of White do not generally include Pakistanis in their definition of White, let alone people with a stricter narrow definition of White.

  177. @anon
    My mistake, ty.

    The conclusion is the same though. The media started an anti-white lynching with Zimmerman and then couldn't back down when they realised that the guy only looking half-white was making white people think the media is driven by anti-white racism - which they are - so they're not making the same mistake with Holztclaw.

    I agree with you.

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