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From Reason’s coverage of UVA bureaucrat Nicole Eramo’s libel lawsuit against Rolling Stone for the Haven Monahan Hate Hoax:
Day 4: Erdely gives scarring testimony
Hawes Spencer
… Erdely was to be one of the magazine’s stars. She revealed Thursday that after writing stories for Rolling Stone for several years, this one was to be her first under a new contract that would have paid her $300,000 for seven stories over the course of two years.
That’s a lot of incentive, approaching $5 per word for her 9000 word article, which is nice work if you can get.
Bizarrely, Jackie Coakley’s surname is being blocked from anybody mentioning it during the trial:
During a discussion of the days in late August when Jackie allegedly stopped replying to the reporter’s texts and e-mails, [plaintiff’s attorney] Locke begins reading from one e-mail shown on a screen. When she gets to Jackie’s last name, plainly visible to the gallery, the lawyer suddenly halts and shouts to a nearby technician: “If we could take that down, please, off the screen.”
Later, the technician dims the gallery screens again when a photograph appears of Jackie’s purported facial injuries from an incident—disputed by the Charlottesville Police Department—in which Jackie was allegedly injured by a thrown bottle.
“Keeping her identity confidential is important,” said Judge Glen Conrad, to encourage “other victims” to come forward. How Jackie, now with multiple false accounts, convinced a judge as well as both sides of this litigation that she’s a “victim” has yet to be explained.
Devastatingly, Locke produced interview audio in which Erdely mentions the photo to Jackie and says the supposed facial injuries resemble “something smeared,” a substance, the reporter said, “looked like face paint.”
In response, Erdely downplayed the statement as merely a manifestation of alleged abrasions that were “so bright.”
Coakley’s fantasy about much later being the victim of yet another beer bottle attack ought to have been the straw that broke the back of Erdely’s gullibility. As I wrote in Taki’s Magazine in 2014:
A Rape Hoax for Book Lovers
by Steve Sailer
December 03, 2014… What should we make of Erdely’s “brutal tableau” of beer bottle rape amidst the shattered glass?
As a work of journalism, it’s most interesting for what it inadvertently reveals about the bizarre legends that seem plausible to American media consumers in 2014.
… Some of the literary power of Erdely’s nightmarish retelling of poor Jackie’s saga stems from the writer’s use of glass, both broken and bottle, as an ominous multipurpose metaphor. Throughout “A Rape on Campus,” glass stands for fragility, bloodshed, loss of virginity, alcohol, littering, male brutishness, danger, violence—even a literal phallic symbol. Glass represents not the calm transparency of a window pane, but the occluded viciousness of the white conservative Southern male power structure.
For example:
The first weeks of freshman year are when students are most vulnerable to sexual assault. … Hundreds of women in crop tops and men in khaki shorts stagger between handsome fraternity houses, against a call-and-response soundtrack of “Whoo!” and breaking glass. “Do you know where Delta Sig is?” a girl slurs, sloshed. Behind her, one of her dozen or so friends stumbles into the street, sending a beer bottle shattering.
Strangely, just about the only people in America who don’t seem to have accepted at face value Jackie’s theory of a nine-man conspiracy to rape her are those portrayed in the Rolling Stone article as knowing the poor young woman well.
Much of this immense article is devoted to puzzling scenes in which Jackie’s friends and female mentors tell her to cheer up and get over it. If you read the article carefully, you’ll notice that almost everybody who knows Jackie closely treats her about the way you’d treat a friend who starts talking about having been abducted by aliens. You would try to find out what the real actual thing that happened to her was. But if she kept talking about alien rectal probing, you’d try to change the subject.
Morally, Sabrina Rubin Erdely and Rolling Stone should not have exploited an unsettled young woman.
Late in her first year at UVA, depressed and in danger of flunking out, Jackie talks to Dean Nicole Eramo, Chair of the Sexual Misconduct Board. This dean patiently explains to Jackie the three ways she can file charges, but Jackie can’t make up her mind. Eventually, Dean Eramo suggests she join a campus rape survivors’ support group. There, Jackie makes new friends who appreciate her story (even though it’s more violent than their own).
In Erdely’s telling, Dean Eramo, a middle-aged lady, is a sinister figure, a sonderkommando who shields the rape culture by getting students to confide in her instead of exposing the vileness all about. But there’s a problem with the author’s interpretation: Jackie and numerous other young women love Dean Eramo. She listens. Jackie and others responded to the Rolling Stone hit piece against Eramo by writing a long letter to the college newspaper praising the dean.
My vague impression is that Jackie seems like a troubled soul who drew needed comfort from talking to listeners who were sympathetic. She doesn’t appear to have been in any hurry over the last couple of years to talk to people who might ask her tough questions about the validity of her allegations, such as police detectives or defense attorneys. That appears to have been prudent on her part.
That was an overly nice interpretation of Coakley on my part. What we know now is that Coakley is much like Erdely’s old pal and boss at the U. of Penn student publication, Stephen “Shattered Glass” Glass: Coakley likes lying for the fun of it. Like Glass, she’s not even terribly adept at it, just brazen.
One bizarre, unexplained aspect of this whole story is the Shattered Glass motif. It’s possible that Coakley Googled Sabrina Rubin Erdely’s name and discovered she was an old friend of Stephen Glass and perhaps watched the movie about him. But I
Unfortunately, Rolling Stone was eager to use her for its own commercial and political purposes.
And so her story is now our latest national media crisis.
During her sophomore year, Jackie became prominent in the struggle on campus against rape culture. But the patriarchy struck back brutally last spring, using its favorite tool of violence, the glass bottle. Outside a bar at the Corner:
One man flung a bottle at Jackie that broke on the side of her face, leaving a blood-red bruise around her eye.
That’s horrifying … assuming it happened. Or are we deep into Gone Girl territory now? (There’s nothing in the article about anybody calling the police over this presumably open-and-shut case.) Erdely continues:
She e-mailed Eramo so they could discuss the attack—and discuss another matter, too, which was troubling Jackie a great deal. Through her ever expanding network, Jackie had come across something deeply disturbing: two other young women who, she says, confided that they, too, had recently been Phi Kappa Psi gang-rape victims.
A bruise still mottling her face, Jackie sat in Eramo’s office in May 2014 and told her about the two others. … (Neither woman was willing to talk to RS.)
Eramo had been listening to Jackie’s stories for a year at this point:
As Jackie wrapped up her story, she was disappointed by Eramo’s nonreaction. She’d expected shock, disgust, horror.
Erdely attributes this widespread ho-hum reaction among Jackie’s old friends and confidantes to a second massive conspiracy, this one to cover up the first conspiracy in order to protect that bastion of the right, UVA.
Erdely’s explanation for why those who know Jackie best didn’t rush her to the hospital or call 911 or even pay much attention to her claims over the next two years is that the University of Virginia is an alien, hostile, conservative country club with an
… aura of preppy success, where throngs of toned, tanned and overwhelmingly blond students fanned across a landscape of neoclassical brick buildings.
The Rolling Stone writer is bothered by how UVA students look up to founder Thomas Jefferson (a notorious rapist of a black body, I might add).
Erdely finds offense in the campus honor code, by which students promise not to cheat on papers. …
I suppose that Erdely’s positing two conspiracy theories is logically consistent. But Occam’s razor suggests that the real campus conspiracy may have been to gently humor the unhappy girl.
Not surprisingly, Erdely’s hate hoax about fictitious Nights of Broken Glass led to an actual Night of Broken Glass on the UVA campus as Social Justice Warriors smashed the windows of the libeled fraternity house. From the Huffington Post in 2014:
Erdely’s defense at this trial is that she really believed Coakley’s BS. From Reason:
“It wasn’t a mistake to rely on someone [so] emotionally fragile,” Erdely said softly on the witness stand, as her voice broke and tears flowed in an otherwise silent courtroom. “It was a mistake to rely on someone who was intent to deceive me.”
Earlier, the judge ruled that the previously obscure Nicole Eramo was a “public figure,” which makes it a lot harder for the plaintiff to win a lawsuit just by proving flagrant negligence rather than by proving “malice.” (If you are an expert on libel law, please feel free to chime in in the comments.)
This seems like one of those situations in which the easiest person to con is a con man. Erdely, going back to her work with Stephen Glass in the 1990s, has a dubious journalistic track record. But her own corner-cutting tendencies seem to have made her more credulous.
The big issue is what does it say about our society in which a middle-aged reporter can be conned so easily by a young girly girl coed just feeding back to the reporter Law & Order SVU episodes she watched.
A close reading of the Rolling Stone article demostrates Erdely’s pervasive ethnic malice against the university founded by Thomas Jefferson, which she views as a bastion of sinister gentile culture just itching to unleash another Night of Broken Glass against the helpless.
But her anti-Gentilic malice is unlikely to be mentioned in court. After all, “anti-Gentilic” isn’t even a word …
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” Salma Hayek: I Denied Trump A Date, So He Planted A National Enquirer Story About My Height”
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/salma-hayek-i-denied-trump-a-date-so-he-planted-a-national-e
“On a Spanish-language radio show, the Clinton-supporting actor said Trump befriended her boyfriend to get her number, but when she denied his offer to go on a date, he had a story planted in the National Enquirer that he wouldn’t date her because she’s too short.”
http://www.celebheights.com/s/Salma-Hayek-326.html
So instead she married French billionaire François-Henri Pinault.
So it seems she really didn't want to marry for too little money.Replies: @Ivy
Would Trump even bother to befriend the boyfriend to get Hayek's number. He's a billionaire after all (and even the most anti-Trump media shills seem to grudgingly admit that he is worth 4Bn and change) so I am sure he would simply pay someone to find her number.
Further, as Steve has pointed out time and time again, that Hispanic Tidal Wave of voters has failed to appear, time and time again.
All-in-all, it appears that Hayek is not very smart, which is the bit that tends to show here in poor light.
(*Hayek's digestion of François-Henri Pinault and some of his family's net worth of $15 billion is an ongoing process...just be patient and watch. )
Back in a day, this Levanteena was maybe too short to fail, but nowadays, she is nothing but a withered-venereal stratagem sporting a body intoxicated with botox and silicone.
Ideas are bulletproof. I care about my geneology, I don't care about Selma hayaks feelings.
Yes you were probably too nice to Jackie Coakley (who is now married and fat–thanks Chuck Johnson for finding that out), but (((Erdely))) wrote this story out of malice. Her excuses and attempts to throw Coakley under the bus highlight the deep moral rot in her soul.
We know she sought to write a story about “rape culture” and when she discovered this one it turned out to be too good to pass up (or be true). So before she even knew Jackie she had her story. She didn’t care that Coakley’s story didn’t check out.
A patently absurd detail, obviously born of watching too many cinematic bar fights. Actual bottles (as opposed to Hollywood sugar-glass) are quite tough, and it’s doubtful that one would break after being thrown (as opposed to being wielded as a club) against a human skull. And a bottle that did break upon impact would do more than cause a bruise. It would cut the flesh, inducing a lot of bleeding (the face is a highly vascular region). Plus, it would probably knock you out.
As I mentioned at the time, the whole thing has the marks of paranoid fantasy, a Jewish expose on the Protocols of the Elders of Hengist and Horsa ( Cf all the stuff implying that a WASP fraternity employs rape as an initiation ritual).
field observation: I've had a bottle smashed against the back of my skull before. While it left one hell of a contusion, it didn't break.Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @larry lurker, @William Badwhite
According to Wikipedia, Erdely’s career has been highlighted by many pieces on sexual assault allegations. Has anyone gone back to fact-check those, as was done with Stephen Glass?
Can we please stop using the nebulous phrase "sexual assault"?
http://www.newsweek.com/another-rolling-stone-rape-article-has-major-holes-291257
http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2015/04/07/sabrina-rubin-erdelys-possibly-fake-rape-story/
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/salma-hayek-i-denied-trump-a-date-so-he-planted-a-national-e
"On a Spanish-language radio show, the Clinton-supporting actor said Trump befriended her boyfriend to get her number, but when she denied his offer to go on a date, he had a story planted in the National Enquirer that he wouldn’t date her because she’s too short."Replies: @guest, @syonredux, @SPMoore8, @syonredux, @Percy Gryce, @The most deplorable one, @bored identity, @Kyle
Who knew the Dems’ winning strategy in ’16 would be: “Opposition Candidate Underestimates Attractiveness of Females.” I’d have thought they would move onto Trump rapes nuns and eats babies by now.
No one ever went bankrupt overestimating the emotional response of women to perceived downgrading of their attractiveness, justified or not. Because they imagine themselves in the ladies’s position, especially if the ladies in question are more attractive. The thinking is “If she’s not hot, what does that make me?”
That leads to badfeelz, and badfeelz must be avenged!
We know she sought to write a story about "rape culture" and when she discovered this one it turned out to be too good to pass up (or be true). So before she even knew Jackie she had her story. She didn't care that Coakley's story didn't check out.Replies: @syonredux, @gzu
Of course, she wasn’t at all interested in writing about actual rape culture (Islamic grooming gangs in places like Rotherham). No, she wanted an SJW fantasy, where rape culture involves blond, Southern frat boys.
Cantor, then Majority Leader of the US House of Representatives. Supremo fundraiser for the Goppers but probably viewed as apostate by The Tribe. Both his kids were in the frat in question and if the article had come out a few weeks earlier it might have chopped five points off his total.
But Brat beat him in the primary probably just becasue Cantor took his re-election for granted.
$300K for seven feature stories?! Steve (and Derb, if you’re here), how many journalists in the whole country would you say command that kind of money?
So $150k a year isn't all that much. I'm sure hundreds earn that if not thousands
Judges’ brains have been colonized on Womyn’s Issues, especially rape. Victims coming forward or not is none of their business, frankly, unless force is used to deter them. False accusers ought at the very least to face public ridicule.
According to Wikipedia, Erdely’s career has been highlighted by many pieces on sexual assault allegations
Can we please stop using the nebulous phrase “sexual assault”?
Jackie may be a pathological liar, but Sabrina is such a girl. I saw videotape of part of her deposition on TV the other day, and after being complete non-committal and refusing even the most commonsensical generalization, she started to frown, and then started choking down sobs, and when she was asked why, she said something to the effect that she didn’t realize that she had been deceived, and that Jackie had betrayed her trust.
I mean it was enough to make one cynical.
I don’t know why Rolling Stone doesn’t just settle the case, or offer a settlement, anyway. Dean Eramo deserves a payday of some sort after what she has been through, So does the fraternity. Jackie has been exposed, and Sabrina’s career is in tatters. They really ought to let this one go. It’s not as if anyone actually believes anything happened to Jackie at this point. The clincher was the discovery that Jackie had accessed Haven Monahan’s email last winter.
As to why this happened? Well, Sabrina obviously “has issues.” And yet from what I have read she must have had a sneaking suspicion that this story wasn’t holding up when Jackie began to waver in the Summer before publication.
Yes. They did a lot of damage and put a lot of people through hell. And given the scathing examination of the magazine's conduct by the Columbia School of Journalism you'd think they would just want this thing to go away. Money isn't everything and they seem to have plenty. Besides, it would be the honorable thing to do. Even sincere apologies are for free.
Today I happened upon another Jackie while perusing Florida.arrests.org for 10/20/17. She lives in St. Augustine and lists her occupation as a writer for the local newspaper. 52 years old and resembling a school teacher or librarian I wondered what she had done so I went to the St. Johns County Clerk of Court website and looked her arrest reports up. J…, her initials, is a serial rape claimer. She gets drunk at local bars ( one called The Tradewinds seems to be a favorite) gets picked up by ‘Haven Monahan’ surrogates and then calls the police when she is dropped off after sex. Unfortunately for J… the local police have investigated her claims and she is now on probation for filing false police reports!
That I found this woman by chance would seem to indicate that this could be a rather widespread phenomenon and that there are far more Jackies and J…’s out there turning their nocturnal adventures into rape fantasies.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/salma-hayek-i-denied-trump-a-date-so-he-planted-a-national-e
"On a Spanish-language radio show, the Clinton-supporting actor said Trump befriended her boyfriend to get her number, but when she denied his offer to go on a date, he had a story planted in the National Enquirer that he wouldn’t date her because she’s too short."Replies: @guest, @syonredux, @SPMoore8, @syonredux, @Percy Gryce, @The most deplorable one, @bored identity, @Kyle
Dunno. Melania’s 5’11. Ivana is 6’0. And Marla is 5’8. Seems to me that Trump likes ’em tall.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/salma-hayek-i-denied-trump-a-date-so-he-planted-a-national-e
"On a Spanish-language radio show, the Clinton-supporting actor said Trump befriended her boyfriend to get her number, but when she denied his offer to go on a date, he had a story planted in the National Enquirer that he wouldn’t date her because she’s too short."Replies: @guest, @syonredux, @SPMoore8, @syonredux, @Percy Gryce, @The most deplorable one, @bored identity, @Kyle
I think Salma Hayek is kind of cute. However, she is quite short, she speaks English poorly, and she is of an age where the days of youth are receding. I remember seeing an interview with her awhile back and she was claiming that her social activism had torpedoed her career. I’m not sure about that. But I am sure that bringing up any association with Trump, at this point, is likely to garner attention. Perhaps she can get a shrink to help her recover a memory of some occasion where Trump called her fat.
“But her anti-Gentilic malice”
She was hunting for blondes. More like anti-aryanite.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/salma-hayek-i-denied-trump-a-date-so-he-planted-a-national-e
"On a Spanish-language radio show, the Clinton-supporting actor said Trump befriended her boyfriend to get her number, but when she denied his offer to go on a date, he had a story planted in the National Enquirer that he wouldn’t date her because she’s too short."Replies: @guest, @syonredux, @SPMoore8, @syonredux, @Percy Gryce, @The most deplorable one, @bored identity, @Kyle
MMM, borrowing a page from Steve’s book, I’m going to guess that Salma is a tad self-conscious regarding her lack of height.Celeb heights pegs her at a diminutive 5’1.5.
http://www.celebheights.com/s/Salma-Hayek-326.html
She was hunting for blondes. More like anti-aryanite.Replies: @syonredux
Most “Aryans” aren’t blond.
Do you think her facial features are natural?
Search for "Salma Hayek plastic surgery" and clink links or just go to images.Replies: @syonredux
Amusingly, Dick Wolf closed the feedback loop by doing an episode of SVU (“Devastating Story”) based on the UVA incident. The episode aired April 1, 2015, well after the truth was out. The show fully embraced the idea that it might be a bummer for a few douchey frat guys to have their reputations destroyed, but it’s ultimately a fair price to pay to bring attention to Campus Rape Culture. Of course, whether such a culture has gone through the formality of existing is irrelevant. What are you, some kind of rapist?
In all honesty, it’s giving Erdely too much credit to say she was “conned”. Her 2011 story about the “rape culture” in the Catholic Church was notable for its lack of fact-checking. She was “taken in” by an unreliable witness who initially claimed to have been tied to a church altar with sashes and anally raped for five hours, but eventually admitted he made that part up. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice… Is it within the realm of possibility that she went in with both eyes open and thought that if the truth came out, she could fall back on the First Amendment and our traditionally high standard of proof for libel?
How common is this “anti-Gentilic malice?”
Trump has said before that he likes large breasts, and he’s made comments suggesting that he likes young, teenage girls, who tend to be shorter than adult women.
Maybe he has lower standards for pump-and-dumps?Replies: @Anonymous
It is the air we all must breathe. For now.
Yes, yes, they have–and they’re all falling apart:
http://www.newsweek.com/another-rolling-stone-rape-article-has-major-holes-291257
http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2015/04/07/sabrina-rubin-erdelys-possibly-fake-rape-story/
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/salma-hayek-i-denied-trump-a-date-so-he-planted-a-national-e
"On a Spanish-language radio show, the Clinton-supporting actor said Trump befriended her boyfriend to get her number, but when she denied his offer to go on a date, he had a story planted in the National Enquirer that he wouldn’t date her because she’s too short."Replies: @guest, @syonredux, @SPMoore8, @syonredux, @Percy Gryce, @The most deplorable one, @bored identity, @Kyle
She wasn’t interested in Trump because she didn’t want to marry for money.
So instead she married French billionaire François-Henri Pinault.
So it seems she really didn’t want to marry for too little money.
Perhaps Erdely owes a poetic debt to Tennessee Williams:
I would have stopped but I was pursued by something that always came upon me unawares taking me all together by surprise. Perhaps it was a familiar bit of music. Perhaps it was only a piece of transparent glass. Perhaps I’m walking along the street at night in some strange city before I have found companions. And I pass a lighted window of a shop where perfume is sold. Windows filled with pieces of colored glass. Tiny transparent bottles and delicate colors like bits of a shattered rainbow.
— The Glass Menagerie
And of course, there’s this from Streetcar:
It’s good to see their lies backfiring so spectacularly. Rolling Stone probably thought the worst scenario would be a few white college students questioning the story and then being ignored and forgotten about.
Wait, you mean “Law & Order” isn’t real? I thought the majority of murderers went to posh private schools and looked like Ferris Bueller.
You people are deplorable!
All murderers are the products of posh private schools and look like Ferris Bueller.
At this point in history, yes. I can’t imagine anyone paying to look like that.
Outrageous the judge made that comment about “other victims.” The prohibition on using Coakley’s full name in court also concerns me inasmuch as it sends a message to the jury that she could reasonably be thought of as a victim. That makes Rolling Stone’s conduct seem understandable, explainable as an innocent mistake.
Dunno. Going on the women that he’s actually married, dwarfish Salma seems to be the antithesis of Trump’s ideal. I certainly can’t see him breeding with someone like Salma Hayek
Maybe he has lower standards for pump-and-dumps?
Both Hayek and her husband seem to be from better backgrounds than Trump and his wives.Replies: @Chet, @Hunsdon, @syonredux, @syonredux
“That was an overly nice interpretation of Coakley on my part.”
Aha!
“What we know now is that Coakley is much like Erdely’s old pal and boss at the U. of Penn student publication, Stephen “Shattered Glass” Glass: Coakley likes lying for the fun of it. ”
Yes, we know that now. And some of us knew it before now. She never seemed pitiful or fragile or vulnerable to me. She seemed determined to get her way, no matter what it cost those around her. Not troubled so much as trouble–big trouble.
Visit the Harvard or Yale campus, you’ll see plenty of it.
There is obviously a lot of PC revisionist history, but that is anti-white and anti-male, not specifically "anti-Gentile."
Maybe he has lower standards for pump-and-dumps?Replies: @Anonymous
If he likes large breasted women and is attracted to young women who are at an age where they tend to be shorter, then Salma Hayek wouldn’t be the antithesis.
Both Hayek and her husband seem to be from better backgrounds than Trump and his wives.
Thus "women who are at an age where they tend to be shorter" = prepubescent.
And therefore "is attracted to young women who are at an age where they tend to be shorter" = paedophile.
So in order to make the argument work, Trump must be a paedophile?
Furthermore, Salma, even then, did not look remotely prepubescent.
Why is everyone (Eramo and Erdely) crying on the stand at this trial?
Is this a standard trial tactic? Did their lawyers teach them to cry on the stand?
Any lawyers out there? What is going on?
If you don't want your daughters to do it just laugh at them when they pull it. Drys the tears right up.
Here’s a classic bottle-breaking-on-face scene from one of my favorite Robert Altman movies (amazingly, the villain is explicitly Jewish)
That bottle scene is far too realistic to have influenced Jackie's lie, though (all that blood, etc).
Speaking of broken glass, one of first things that hit me was her statement that the men had broken a glass table top and made her lie on the shards whilst being raped.
Although I have little experience with glass furniture it’s common knowledge (I thought) that for decades auto glass has been made so it DOES NOT BREAK INTO SHARDS, but into non-sharp chunks.
Even before I looked it up, I was 99% sure that furniture glass won’t break into shards either. And I was right.
Why didn’t Erdely notice this first glaring lie?
Have wreckers auto yards and car accidents in general declined so much since my younger days (a number of decades ago) that young people today have never seen broken auto glass? I remember walking through wreckers yards and seeing the cracks where heads hit the windshield. Come to think of it, do wreckers yards even exist anymore?
I also saw several accidents involving broken auto glass, although they weren’t recent either.
The trend now is to get the kind of tempered glass you describe, which, when broken, breaks into small pieces. That's also the kind of glass you get on the side and back windows of cars. But, AFAIK, windshields in the US are still made of _two_ sheets of glass, laminated together. That's why you can get extensive windshield cracking but no crumbling.
So, long story short, it's conceivable that some frat house had a glass table with old style non-tempered glass that broke into dangerous shards. It's also possible that it had tempered glass that crumbled into little glass nuggets.
I mean we all know the story is bullshit anyway.Replies: @Jack D
Both Hayek and her husband seem to be from better backgrounds than Trump and his wives.Replies: @Chet, @Hunsdon, @syonredux, @syonredux
White girls are within an inch of peak height at age 14.
Thus “women who are at an age where they tend to be shorter” = prepubescent.
And therefore “is attracted to young women who are at an age where they tend to be shorter” = paedophile.
So in order to make the argument work, Trump must be a paedophile?
Furthermore, Salma, even then, did not look remotely prepubescent.
No expert, but from what I recall from law school, and quoting from law.cornell.edu:
In an ordinary defamation case, “a plaintiff must show four things: 1) a false statement purporting to be fact; 2) publication or communication of that statement to a third person; 3) fault amounting to at least negligence; and 4) damages, or some harm caused to the person or entity who is the subject of the statement.”
Public Figures have to prove more than that. They must, “show that statements were made with actual malice to recover in an action for defamation. Actual malice means that a statement was made with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether or not it was false. In addition, a plaintiff must show actual malice by “clear and convincing” evidence rather than the usual burden of proof in a civil case, preponderance of the evidence.”
When did writing fiction start to pay so well?
I am still waiting for the SJW’s who attacked the Fraternity to be charged with their crimes. They love taking pictures of each other so I am betting there is plenty of evidence. And there is no justification under the law for their acts as opposed to the First Amendment question when it comes to libel
Both Hayek and her husband seem to be from better backgrounds than Trump and his wives.Replies: @Chet, @Hunsdon, @syonredux, @syonredux
I admire you for your very real and substantive contributions to our discourse, and look forward to you joining us as a regular member of the community.
Teenage girls are not shorter than adult women. Girls reach their final height earlier than boys, usually by the time they reach fourteen.
Is this a standard trial tactic? Did their lawyers teach them to cry on the stand?
Any lawyers out there? What is going on?Replies: @Almost Missouri, @TWS
It’s a standard female tactic, when there is guilt to be dodged, inside or outside of a trial.
This has been a persistent friendly criticism of you by your commenters, Steve: too kind. I hope your acknowledgement of its validity does not foretell its end. After all, some of us rely on your preternatural niceness to counterbalance our own cynicism, misanthropy and pessimism.
And some of us don't.
That's not what I value in Steve's writing, I'm afraid. Frankly I find it clouds the issue more often than not.
Pure speculation on my part but I still wonder if it wasn’t a hatchet job on Eric
Cantor, then Majority Leader of the US House of Representatives. Supremo fundraiser for the Goppers but probably viewed as apostate by The Tribe. Both his kids were in the frat in question and if the article had come out a few weeks earlier it might have chopped five points off his total.
But Brat beat him in the primary probably just becasue Cantor took his re-election for granted.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/salma-hayek-i-denied-trump-a-date-so-he-planted-a-national-e
"On a Spanish-language radio show, the Clinton-supporting actor said Trump befriended her boyfriend to get her number, but when she denied his offer to go on a date, he had a story planted in the National Enquirer that he wouldn’t date her because she’s too short."Replies: @guest, @syonredux, @SPMoore8, @syonredux, @Percy Gryce, @The most deplorable one, @bored identity, @Kyle
Don’t you think this allegation tends to show Mestizo Hispanics in a poor light?
Would Trump even bother to befriend the boyfriend to get Hayek’s number. He’s a billionaire after all (and even the most anti-Trump media shills seem to grudgingly admit that he is worth 4Bn and change) so I am sure he would simply pay someone to find her number.
Further, as Steve has pointed out time and time again, that Hispanic Tidal Wave of voters has failed to appear, time and time again.
All-in-all, it appears that Hayek is not very smart, which is the bit that tends to show here in poor light.
This is typical of this election season. Why don’t we discuss Bill’s taste in women or Hillary’s instead of this. Or how our country is really screwed up – wouldn’t that be a suitable topic for discussion?
2nd, it’s typical that Trump’s words get twisted. When he sees a young girl, he sometimes jokingly says something like “come back and see me in 10 years” – meaning that “I imagine that someday you will blossom into a beautiful young woman”. Before everyone went nuts over sexism, this was considered a compliment. He doesn’t want to date those girls now, he doesn’t even literally mean that these girls should write down his phone # and call him in a decade. It’s just an old fashioned compliment but in current year America it’s a vile crime by an evil man. Also, suddenly the press has lost all ability to understand metaphor, etc. and believes that every word Trump speaks must be interpreted literally.
I have met a couple of people like Jackie Coakley who just lie about everything, even stuff that doesn’t matter. After you figure it out, it is difficult to even have a conversation with them. You feel like a sucker for believing anything they said in the first place.
I think there is a fair amount of cognitive dissonance going inside the heads of a lot of college girls. I became aware of it in grad school (at UVA). I was in my late 20's and single and went out almost every night. My first few times running into a Jackie I'd be interested in whatever fantastic tales they were telling. I soon grew to have little interest in women under 25 or so - far too immature and often batshit crazy. I moved from chasing undergrads to chasing townies and nursing students.
A 1st year female is 18 or 19. That is someone who, a mere 5 or 6 years before, was playing with toy unicorns, enjoying fairy tales, and dreaming of being a princess. Now all of a sudden they're living on their own and are supposed to be worldly (read: sexually active with no hangups) and its too much for many of them. So they make up fairy tales or their brain short circuits like Jackie's. They're just kids. Further, because of our overly restrictive alcohol laws and "zero tolerance" nonsense in high schools, few of them have learned to drink. When I was in high school the drinking age was 18 for beer and wine - by the time you went to college you had at least some clue of how to handle booze.
Expecting an 18-year old girl that grew up in today's 'burbs to be able to navigate a modern sexual marketplace while also learning to handle alcohol is too much.
Its just another way feminism destroys things. But instead of blaming themselves and their idiotic ideas, they shriek about "rape culture". If I was President of U-Va instead of the disgraceful Sullivan, 1st and 2nd year girls would live in single-sex dorms and I'd concoct all sorts of paternalistic ways of sheltering them.Replies: @Questionator
In an ordinary defamation case, "a plaintiff must show four things: 1) a false statement purporting to be fact; 2) publication or communication of that statement to a third person; 3) fault amounting to at least negligence; and 4) damages, or some harm caused to the person or entity who is the subject of the statement."
Public Figures have to prove more than that. They must, "show that statements were made with actual malice to recover in an action for defamation. Actual malice means that a statement was made with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether or not it was false. In addition, a plaintiff must show actual malice by "clear and convincing" evidence rather than the usual burden of proof in a civil case, preponderance of the evidence."Replies: @D. K., @No_0ne
The publication of the false story was the act of libel– and also the only reason that the public ever has heard of Dean Eramo! The judge is a nitwit; by his lights, all plaintiffs in libel actions must be public figures, because their names and stories (albeit, in the latter case, false) have been published already, making them so.
The old U.S. Supreme court case to which you refer set an almost impossibly high standard of proof for plaintiff, and in my opinion, it was wrongly decided.Replies: @D. K.
I’ve done a lot more than visit both of those campuses, and I don’t know what you are talking about.
There is obviously a lot of PC revisionist history, but that is anti-white and anti-male, not specifically “anti-Gentile.”
Although I have little experience with glass furniture it's common knowledge (I thought) that for decades auto glass has been made so it DOES NOT BREAK INTO SHARDS, but into non-sharp chunks.
Even before I looked it up, I was 99% sure that furniture glass won't break into shards either. And I was right.
Why didn't Erdely notice this first glaring lie?
Have wreckers auto yards and car accidents in general declined so much since my younger days (a number of decades ago) that young people today have never seen broken auto glass? I remember walking through wreckers yards and seeing the cracks where heads hit the windshield. Come to think of it, do wreckers yards even exist anymore?
I also saw several accidents involving broken auto glass, although they weren't recent either.Replies: @Elsewhere, @stillCARealist, @SPMoore8
I think a layperson might still call those shards, despite the lack of sharp edges, so this isn’t a perfect argument.
Steve, feel free to use:
“Law and Order” president vs. Law & Order president. (Or even Law & Order SVU president.)
Presumably these stories would have involved full-time work. Or they would have if she were not a liar who doesn’t bother to fact-check her stories.
So $150k a year isn’t all that much. I’m sure hundreds earn that if not thousands
True but virtually all blonds are Aryan.
I’d have thought they would move onto Trump rapes nuns and eats babies by now.
Well, he does, doesn’t he?
Virtually universal among thy folk.
I mean it was enough to make one cynical.
I don't know why Rolling Stone doesn't just settle the case, or offer a settlement, anyway. Dean Eramo deserves a payday of some sort after what she has been through, So does the fraternity. Jackie has been exposed, and Sabrina's career is in tatters. They really ought to let this one go. It's not as if anyone actually believes anything happened to Jackie at this point. The clincher was the discovery that Jackie had accessed Haven Monahan's email last winter.
As to why this happened? Well, Sabrina obviously "has issues." And yet from what I have read she must have had a sneaking suspicion that this story wasn't holding up when Jackie began to waver in the Summer before publication.Replies: @sayless
I don’t know why Rolling Stone doesn’t just settle the case, or offer a settlement, anyway.
Yes. They did a lot of damage and put a lot of people through hell. And given the scathing examination of the magazine’s conduct by the Columbia School of Journalism you’d think they would just want this thing to go away. Money isn’t everything and they seem to have plenty. Besides, it would be the honorable thing to do. Even sincere apologies are for free.
If you believe there’s such a thing as ‘anti-Gentilism’ and that Erdely is ‘anti-Gentile’ here is what you must also believe:
1/ Denisovans-100% Gentile. The Denisovans died out long before Jews existed but no matter. If you believe that Erdely is ‘anti-Gentile’ then you must believe that Erdley hates the Denisovans. Same of course with any other group that died out before there were any Jews.
2/ Sentinelese-100% Gentile. The Sentinelese live on an island and are isolated from the rest of humanity. No matter. If you believe that Erdely is ‘anti-Gentile’ then you must believe that Erdely hates the Sentinelese.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinelese_people
3/ Kiribati, Tuvalu, Vanuatu, etc. 100% Gentile. These are small island nations that Erdley may never have heard of. No matter. If you believe that Erdley is ‘anti-Gentile’ then you must believe that Erdely hates them and any other group Erdley has never heard of.
‘… After all, “anti-Gentilic” isn’t even a word …’ And there’s a good reason for that.
But when it's the other way around, our antennas are exquisitely tuned and all sorts of things constitute racist and anti-Semitic dog whistles - six pointed sheriff stars, references to international bankers, etc.
Erdely is practically shouting her bias again blond frat boy Haven Monahan types but no matter how loud she shouts, people just hear crickets.
Otherwise good first try at trolling. You deflected from the real issue, mentioned the person you were trying to defend and had obscure references that people on the blog are interested in generally. 4/10.
In other words, the model for Europeans is tall, fair, well proportioned and effortlessly graceful and articulate. (Think any upper crust Englishman in a movie.) A lot of people fit that profile and do not care. A certain number of people who do not fit that profile do care.
This also goes back to Steve's "Show me what you were in high school and I'll show you what you are" concept.
I think what happens is that there are a number of people who don't fit the Model Profile and they compensate by hating on the jocks and the surfers and the beauty queens. If they are intelligent -- which Sabrina clearly is -- they leverage that resentment and feeling of inadequacy into a Social Justice Mission Statement and devote their careers accordingly. I don't think being Jewish really has that much to do with it at all. I have known plenty of non-Jews who have the same problem.
But then again it's not anti-Gentile per se. It's against tall, handsome, beautiful people who have a lot of natural charm and who have come from an advantaged background and haven't had to work hard to solve a lot of problems in their personal and professional lives, the kind of people who really don't have to think until they are in their '40's, sometimes with disastrous results. And, then again, there are plenty of Jewish people, or at least, from mixed backgrounds, who fit this profile of privilege as well.
On top of all that there are a number of very successful, confident people who appear too serene and so people like Sabrina will resent them, assuming that they were born in the lap of luxury, when the truth is that they came from the same background as her, and worked really hard to overcome their circumstances, and, more important, worked hard to overcome their sense of inadequacy and resentment. I think this kind of mentality is more what this is about than "Jews"-"Gentiles."Replies: @guest, @syonredux, @5371, @No_0ne
“Actual bottles (as opposed to Hollywood sugar-glass) are quite tough …”
field observation: I’ve had a bottle smashed against the back of my skull before. While it left one hell of a contusion, it didn’t break.
The guy had a good two decades on us, too.
In a fairly serious fracas between some of my fraternity brothers and some "townies" in a pool hall/bar back in mid-80s Virginia, one of my fraternity brothers had a bottle broken over his head. His scalp was fairly severely lacerated (16 stitches iirc) and he also had a concussion. The ER docs made us wake him up every hour so, etc. Even the townie that broke it over his head seemed shocked at how much damage it did. My guess is he thought it would be like in the movies.
The bottle-in-the-face story was my first "tell" the Jackie article was BS. Of course another tell was that the type of kids that make the sacrifices necessary to be admitted to U-Va would have "commit a violent felony" as an initiation ritual. And that none of the guys had sisters or mothers or female cousins or girlfriends or just basic morals and would object.Replies: @Jim Don Bob
Sinclair Lewis said, “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
This explains much of the behavior of the press, and that of Erdely in this instance. Her paycheck depended on her NOT understanding that Jackie was clearly spinning tall tales.
Humans in general have a propensity to hear what they want to hear, but when you add financial (and political) incentives to that mix, then the effect is magnified. Erdely may have even sincerely believed Jackie (thus the tears). People in such situations are sometimes fully and cynically aware that they are repeating untruths in order to reap financial and political benefits but sometimes they are so blinded by these motives that they are not even aware of their bias. It is a peculiar aspect of the liberal disease that they seem to lack all self awareness – they swim in the liberal sea their entire lives so they don’t even realize that they are underwater.
We are getting a lot of quibbles here – she doesn’t hate extinct Gentiles, so she can’t be anti-gentilic, not all Aryans are blond so she’s not anti-Aryan. People suddenly have taken stupid pills and have to interpret all (non-liberal) statements literally.
But when it’s the other way around, our antennas are exquisitely tuned and all sorts of things constitute racist and anti-Semitic dog whistles – six pointed sheriff stars, references to international bankers, etc.
Erdely is practically shouting her bias again blond frat boy Haven Monahan types but no matter how loud she shouts, people just hear crickets.
It does seem very odd she would be considered a public figure.
You are showing anti-Gentile tendencies.
What can you tell us about the word “sophist”, and does the phrase “on the spectrum” ring any bells?
iSteve is under DDoS attack right now. I can access the site by going to a specific article and navigating from there but going to:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/
doesn’t work.
IIRC at the time she had a few leads to pursue in writing her big rape story – one involving black athletes and another at her alma mater UPenn (circa 25% Jewish student body) and she passed those up to go to the Southern bastion of White male blonde fratbro Chad privilege.
And in other important news, Birth of a Nation has now done $13,525,181 at the box office, and is expected to lose millions for Fox. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/oct/20/nate-parkers-birth-of-a-nation-expected-to-lose-millions-for-fox
Majority?
You people are deplorable!
All murderers are the products of posh private schools and look like Ferris Bueller.
Meanwhile, when Hillary says “my dream is open borders”, (something BTW that is highly relevant to our nation’s future, unlike Donald Trump’s sex life which is a total irrelevancy) it doesn’t really mean that her dream is open borders – her words have to be understood in context and in a nuanced manner, yada, yada yada so that they don’t really mean at all what they clearly mean.
At least a nose job. One example: http://plasticsurgerybeforeandafter.blogspot.com/2009/10/salma-hayek-plastic-surgery.html
Search for “Salma Hayek plastic surgery” and clink links or just go to images.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/dec/15/gender.ukReplies: @Ivy
Both Hayek and her husband seem to be from better backgrounds than Trump and his wives.Replies: @Chet, @Hunsdon, @syonredux, @syonredux
Dear boy (?), as I said before, I’m just going on the women that Trump has actually been married to. Going on that, Selma seems far too squat.Heck, even that Nancy O’Dell gal that Trump tried to get into bed is 5’10.
Indeed. My sister hit 5’8 at 14, and then stopped.
This explains much of the behavior of the press, and that of Erdely in this instance. Her paycheck depended on her NOT understanding that Jackie was clearly spinning tall tales.
Humans in general have a propensity to hear what they want to hear, but when you add financial (and political) incentives to that mix, then the effect is magnified. Erdely may have even sincerely believed Jackie (thus the tears). People in such situations are sometimes fully and cynically aware that they are repeating untruths in order to reap financial and political benefits but sometimes they are so blinded by these motives that they are not even aware of their bias. It is a peculiar aspect of the liberal disease that they seem to lack all self awareness - they swim in the liberal sea their entire lives so they don't even realize that they are underwater.Replies: @Perplexed, @No_0ne
Upton Sinclair, not Sinclair Lewis.
Although I have little experience with glass furniture it's common knowledge (I thought) that for decades auto glass has been made so it DOES NOT BREAK INTO SHARDS, but into non-sharp chunks.
Even before I looked it up, I was 99% sure that furniture glass won't break into shards either. And I was right.
Why didn't Erdely notice this first glaring lie?
Have wreckers auto yards and car accidents in general declined so much since my younger days (a number of decades ago) that young people today have never seen broken auto glass? I remember walking through wreckers yards and seeing the cracks where heads hit the windshield. Come to think of it, do wreckers yards even exist anymore?
I also saw several accidents involving broken auto glass, although they weren't recent either.Replies: @Elsewhere, @stillCARealist, @SPMoore8
A friend broke his glass coffee table back in the 90’s by burning up aerosols on it for fun. Remember spraying out, I don’t know, WD-40 or whatever it was, and watching a big fire plume? Well he did that on the table and it cracked and split open right down the middle. Those were some scary, jagged glass end poking out. He was drunk and barefoot and accidentally cut his foot on it…. blood everywhere.
It's not the same as auto glass but it's supposed to create the same affect. It's called tempered glass and burning it is definitely really foolish.
RE: Stephen Glass,
Interesting how both Erdely and Glass seem obsessed with the idea that non-Jewish White men are mysoginistic brutes:
From his article “Spring Breakdown”
http://wp.lps.org/akabour/files/2013/12/Spring-Breakdown-Stephen-Glass.pdf
Hey, Hemmingway, you're writing am article that at best will be enjoyed by hacks and flunkies on the toilet and forgotten next week. You're not writing the Great American Novel.Replies: @Rob McX
The Long Goodbye. An interesting flick. I particularly liked the conceit that Philip Marlowe was a kind of walking anachronism in the ’70s (cf the line where he, upon awakening, refers to himself as “Rip van Marlowe,” as though he’s been asleep since the ’40s).
That bottle scene is far too realistic to have influenced Jackie’s lie, though (all that blood, etc).
Search for "Salma Hayek plastic surgery" and clink links or just go to images.Replies: @syonredux
Surprised that she hasn’t gone in for leg-lengthening surgery. Add a few inches to that dwarfish body of hers. It’s all the rage in China
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/dec/15/gender.uk
Richard Jewel’s estate lost the suit against the Atlanta Constitution because the court claimed he was a public figure.
Indeed.
They say that art forgeries that fool the foremost experts of their time look laughingly obvious to our eyes (not even expert eyes - anyone can see that a "Medieval cross" forged in the '30s looks more Art Decoish than Medieval). We are all creatures of our age.Replies: @syonredux
Heh. Went back and looked at a few of my posts from back when the story broke. I was particularly struck by the implication that this was some kind of annual ritual, and that got me going on the Dan Brown-style film version:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/salma-hayek-i-denied-trump-a-date-so-he-planted-a-national-e
"On a Spanish-language radio show, the Clinton-supporting actor said Trump befriended her boyfriend to get her number, but when she denied his offer to go on a date, he had a story planted in the National Enquirer that he wouldn’t date her because she’s too short."Replies: @guest, @syonredux, @SPMoore8, @syonredux, @Percy Gryce, @The most deplorable one, @bored identity, @Kyle
There’s a yuuge difference between being a pocket venus, and being a pocket venus trap*.
(*Hayek’s digestion of François-Henri Pinault and some of his family’s net worth of $15 billion is an ongoing process…just be patient and watch. )
Back in a day, this Levanteena was maybe too short to fail, but nowadays, she is nothing but a withered-venereal stratagem sporting a body intoxicated with botox and silicone.
Burning the glass might well change its properties.
It’s not the same as auto glass but it’s supposed to create the same affect. It’s called tempered glass and burning it is definitely really foolish.
LOL. Sorry but I used up my ‘agree’ button today already. Could the trolls be more obvious?
Well, barring Uralics like the non-“Aryan” Finns….
Is this a standard trial tactic? Did their lawyers teach them to cry on the stand?
Any lawyers out there? What is going on?Replies: @Almost Missouri, @TWS
All girls try this tactic growing up. If it works they’ll keep using it. It will usually work for some jurors and judges so of course it gets used.
If you don’t want your daughters to do it just laugh at them when they pull it. Drys the tears right up.
Both Hayek and her husband seem to be from better backgrounds than Trump and his wives.Replies: @Chet, @Hunsdon, @syonredux, @syonredux
Dunno. Since Salma is from Mexico (perhaps the trashiest nation on the globe), that has to knock her down a peg or two.
Well I’ve only seen broken auto glass and it is definitely not shards. You still wouldn’t want to lie on it but it wouldn’t do anything like the damage that broken regular glass would do.
I can’t speak for furniture glass from personal experience.
But if the reporter had even brought up the subject, I bet that would have worried that lying girl. I mean, was the reporter actually going to think for herself and not believe everything Jackie said?
How many younger readers have seen broken auto glass? I think that’s the problem.
I can’t speak for furniture glass from personal experience."
"Safety glass" is made by sandwiching a sheet of plastic inside two layers of glass. A windshield will break but not collapse thanks to the internal sheet.
"Tempered glass" is made by inducing differential pressures inside the glass when it is manufactured so that it literally explodes into pieces when hit (sliding glass door style into tiny pieces.)
"Plate glass" will break into large shards like a guillotine and twice as sharp. Old time glazers would be missing digits and present ghoulish scars on their bodies and arms.
You might still encounter "plate glass" or single/double strength glass in old windows, but most modern glazing today is done with safety or tempered glass especially where high winds, earthquake or hurricane building codes are prevalent.
The manufacturing process means that tempered glass is not quite as perfectly flat as plate glass, therefore plate might still be used for furniture such as table tops.Replies: @Frau Katze
Use shorter sentences when you troll. Long lectures are simply not read. Also, don’t use ridiculous comparisons to start, nobody reads past that.
Otherwise good first try at trolling. You deflected from the real issue, mentioned the person you were trying to defend and had obscure references that people on the blog are interested in generally. 4/10.
By the dawn of the 20th century, they were still being touted – MIT President Walker in his 1896 anti-immigration essay in The Atlantic, talks about how the (then) current immigrants have no democratic traditions unlike the former immigrants whose ancestors sat under the council oaks of Germany.
But now, H&H have completely fallen off the radar – I’ll bet you 99% of all Americans, even those of British descent, would have no idea who they are. Those gay lion tamers – one of them got bitten? A duo of magicians – only one of them talks? No idea.
BTW, the Angles and the Jutes (who usually get left out of the accounts – it should be Anglo-Saxon-Jutish, as in” funny you don’t look Jutish”) are actually from what is now Denmark even though they are thought of as “German”.
H&H probably didn’t exist – horse associated founding brother myths were common among Germanic tribes (Horsa means horse and Hengist stallion in OE)
In a more educated age (and one in which more horses were around) Erdely would have picked up on the horse theme rather than going with glass. Or else gone with the original (not the Hitlerian) Night of the Long Knives (also connected to H&H). But we live in an ignorant time where even the hoaxes are dumbed down (because sophisticated ones would fly right over the public’s head). Idiocracy has arrived way ahead of schedule.
“How common is this “anti-Gentilic malice?””
Do you read the papers?
BTW, I complete understand the total disinterest of Erdely in H&H. Not only does she not view them as her genetic ancestors, she doesn’t view them as her spiritual ancestors either (those would be two other Germans – Marx and Engels (just kidding)). They are just 2 more dead sexist racist white guys from whom we can only draw negative lessons – DON’T be like them.
Like much of the Mexican elite, she is not really Mexican. She is from the Lebanese Maronite mafia which has done quite well all over Latin America. I don’t know if she is related to Salim but it wouldn’t surprise me. The most notable thing about the Maronite warlords in Lebanon is that they were just as eager (perhaps more) to kill their fellow Maronite rivals as they were to fight Muslims. You might consider this a “better background” if your role model is Don Corleone.
Although I have little experience with glass furniture it's common knowledge (I thought) that for decades auto glass has been made so it DOES NOT BREAK INTO SHARDS, but into non-sharp chunks.
Even before I looked it up, I was 99% sure that furniture glass won't break into shards either. And I was right.
Why didn't Erdely notice this first glaring lie?
Have wreckers auto yards and car accidents in general declined so much since my younger days (a number of decades ago) that young people today have never seen broken auto glass? I remember walking through wreckers yards and seeing the cracks where heads hit the windshield. Come to think of it, do wreckers yards even exist anymore?
I also saw several accidents involving broken auto glass, although they weren't recent either.Replies: @Elsewhere, @stillCARealist, @SPMoore8
It depends on the age of the glass. I remember in the old days glazing windows in the old house I lived in, that’s the kind that splits into long dangerous shards (glass table tops, too.) So naturally I just replaced it with similar pieces of glass (wrapped in brown paper). I don’t think you can get glass like that anymore, at least, not easily.
The trend now is to get the kind of tempered glass you describe, which, when broken, breaks into small pieces. That’s also the kind of glass you get on the side and back windows of cars. But, AFAIK, windshields in the US are still made of _two_ sheets of glass, laminated together. That’s why you can get extensive windshield cracking but no crumbling.
So, long story short, it’s conceivable that some frat house had a glass table with old style non-tempered glass that broke into dangerous shards. It’s also possible that it had tempered glass that crumbled into little glass nuggets.
I mean we all know the story is bullshit anyway.
Glass table tops (and car side and rear windows) are almost always made of "tempered glass", which is tougher and which breaks into small rounded pieces. Tempered glass is not used in ordinary windows because it costs more and because once it has been tempered it can no longer be cut, but it is used in patio doors, shower doors and other places where people are prone to contact with the glass (e.g windows that begin less than 18" from the floor). It would be very surprising to see a glass table that was not tempered.
Windshields are, as you say, laminated sandwiches of tempered glass with plastic in the middle. In pre-airbag days it was common to see a head shaped bulge in a windshield at a crash site but the windshield was supposed to keep you inside the car. Windshields also do not fall apart when hit by a stone chip - glass breaks into small pieces like other tempered glass but the crumbled pieces remain stuck together by the plastic middle layer.
Please, be real. A “Birth of the Nation” style black gang rape fantasy had as much chance of being published in a major magazine in current year America as a movie about a bunch of white lacrosse players raping an innocent black “college student” (Mangum, in between stripping gigs and stabbing her boyfriend might have once taken a course in community college, so this made her a “college student”) would have had of being made in 1915.
They say that art forgeries that fool the foremost experts of their time look laughingly obvious to our eyes (not even expert eyes – anyone can see that a “Medieval cross” forged in the ’30s looks more Art Decoish than Medieval). We are all creatures of our age.
field observation: I've had a bottle smashed against the back of my skull before. While it left one hell of a contusion, it didn't break.Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @larry lurker, @William Badwhite
Tell us more. Enquiring minds want to know . .
Agreed. SRE already had her story written; she just needed some details to flesh it out. And if she had to ignore obvious warning signs like the name Haven Monahan, or rape on broken glass, so be it.
And in other important news, Birth of a Nation has now done $13,525,181 at the box office, and is expected to lose millions for Fox. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/oct/20/nate-parkers-birth-of-a-nation-expected-to-lose-millions-for-fox
This may be the silliest post in the history of the internet.
I don’t think Sabrina is “anti-Gentile”, I think this is more of a piece with Randy Newman’s hate song, “Short People.”
In other words, the model for Europeans is tall, fair, well proportioned and effortlessly graceful and articulate. (Think any upper crust Englishman in a movie.) A lot of people fit that profile and do not care. A certain number of people who do not fit that profile do care.
This also goes back to Steve’s “Show me what you were in high school and I’ll show you what you are” concept.
I think what happens is that there are a number of people who don’t fit the Model Profile and they compensate by hating on the jocks and the surfers and the beauty queens. If they are intelligent — which Sabrina clearly is — they leverage that resentment and feeling of inadequacy into a Social Justice Mission Statement and devote their careers accordingly. I don’t think being Jewish really has that much to do with it at all. I have known plenty of non-Jews who have the same problem.
But then again it’s not anti-Gentile per se. It’s against tall, handsome, beautiful people who have a lot of natural charm and who have come from an advantaged background and haven’t had to work hard to solve a lot of problems in their personal and professional lives, the kind of people who really don’t have to think until they are in their ’40’s, sometimes with disastrous results. And, then again, there are plenty of Jewish people, or at least, from mixed backgrounds, who fit this profile of privilege as well.
On top of all that there are a number of very successful, confident people who appear too serene and so people like Sabrina will resent them, assuming that they were born in the lap of luxury, when the truth is that they came from the same background as her, and worked really hard to overcome their circumstances, and, more important, worked hard to overcome their sense of inadequacy and resentment. I think this kind of mentality is more what this is about than “Jews”-“Gentiles.”
Interesting how both Erdely and Glass seem obsessed with the idea that non-Jewish White men are mysoginistic brutes:From his article “Spring Breakdown”
http://wp.lps.org/akabour/files/2013/12/Spring-Breakdown-Stephen-Glass.pdfReplies: @guest
Oh, counterclockwise, was it? That kind of writing annoys me more than lying. Maybe because I assume all articles in the New Republic are lying in one way or another.
Hey, Hemmingway, you’re writing am article that at best will be enjoyed by hacks and flunkies on the toilet and forgotten next week. You’re not writing the Great American Novel.
In a libel case the higher standard for public figures is usually applied when the plaintiff is the public figure suing a defendant. So if the current defendant is ruled a public figure it shouldn’t matter. Grounds for appeal. The idea is you should be able to say what you want about the powerful without being liable for libel. It is supposed to protect the little guy, not the big lady.
In other words, the model for Europeans is tall, fair, well proportioned and effortlessly graceful and articulate. (Think any upper crust Englishman in a movie.) A lot of people fit that profile and do not care. A certain number of people who do not fit that profile do care.
This also goes back to Steve's "Show me what you were in high school and I'll show you what you are" concept.
I think what happens is that there are a number of people who don't fit the Model Profile and they compensate by hating on the jocks and the surfers and the beauty queens. If they are intelligent -- which Sabrina clearly is -- they leverage that resentment and feeling of inadequacy into a Social Justice Mission Statement and devote their careers accordingly. I don't think being Jewish really has that much to do with it at all. I have known plenty of non-Jews who have the same problem.
But then again it's not anti-Gentile per se. It's against tall, handsome, beautiful people who have a lot of natural charm and who have come from an advantaged background and haven't had to work hard to solve a lot of problems in their personal and professional lives, the kind of people who really don't have to think until they are in their '40's, sometimes with disastrous results. And, then again, there are plenty of Jewish people, or at least, from mixed backgrounds, who fit this profile of privilege as well.
On top of all that there are a number of very successful, confident people who appear too serene and so people like Sabrina will resent them, assuming that they were born in the lap of luxury, when the truth is that they came from the same background as her, and worked really hard to overcome their circumstances, and, more important, worked hard to overcome their sense of inadequacy and resentment. I think this kind of mentality is more what this is about than "Jews"-"Gentiles."Replies: @guest, @syonredux, @5371, @No_0ne
There is a flaw in your argument, in that the Model Profile does not coincide with high school popularity. The latter of which is much more in line with man’s natural sense of beauty, which is tied to fertility. This is born out by every supermodel who ever said she was an ugly duckling in middle school or high school. People pretend not to believe them, but I do, because they’re still ugly.
The fashion industry is run by homos. Elite culture follows their lead and favors “social x-rays,” as Bonfire of the Vanities put it. That has corrupted many normal people’s brains and rendered them unable to form healthy aesthetic standards. So there is perfectly justifiable denigration, on the part of some, of Current Year Western beauty standards. It’s not all “compensation” for the prom queen turning them down.
I don’t recall the popular girls in my high school looking like models. Not a majority of them, anyway. Which is not to say that the compensation isn’t real, and not to say that it doesn’t work exactly as you describe. Just not for the Model Profile and the high school explanation.
We live in a world of massive deception. Just as they convince people we are “a nation of immigrants,” they have tricked people into thinking models are pretty and are our natural superiors. They aren’t.
They say that art forgeries that fool the foremost experts of their time look laughingly obvious to our eyes (not even expert eyes - anyone can see that a "Medieval cross" forged in the '30s looks more Art Decoish than Medieval). We are all creatures of our age.Replies: @syonredux
Oh, she was certainly responding to the demands of the market-place. I do think, however, that the demands of the market-place were in-sync with her own proclivities.
http://ethnicelebs.com/salma-hayek
In other words, the model for Europeans is tall, fair, well proportioned and effortlessly graceful and articulate. (Think any upper crust Englishman in a movie.) A lot of people fit that profile and do not care. A certain number of people who do not fit that profile do care.
This also goes back to Steve's "Show me what you were in high school and I'll show you what you are" concept.
I think what happens is that there are a number of people who don't fit the Model Profile and they compensate by hating on the jocks and the surfers and the beauty queens. If they are intelligent -- which Sabrina clearly is -- they leverage that resentment and feeling of inadequacy into a Social Justice Mission Statement and devote their careers accordingly. I don't think being Jewish really has that much to do with it at all. I have known plenty of non-Jews who have the same problem.
But then again it's not anti-Gentile per se. It's against tall, handsome, beautiful people who have a lot of natural charm and who have come from an advantaged background and haven't had to work hard to solve a lot of problems in their personal and professional lives, the kind of people who really don't have to think until they are in their '40's, sometimes with disastrous results. And, then again, there are plenty of Jewish people, or at least, from mixed backgrounds, who fit this profile of privilege as well.
On top of all that there are a number of very successful, confident people who appear too serene and so people like Sabrina will resent them, assuming that they were born in the lap of luxury, when the truth is that they came from the same background as her, and worked really hard to overcome their circumstances, and, more important, worked hard to overcome their sense of inadequacy and resentment. I think this kind of mentality is more what this is about than "Jews"-"Gentiles."Replies: @guest, @syonredux, @5371, @No_0ne
Anti-WASP seems more likely.
In a word, yes. But we have had so many arguments about who’s a WASP that I didn’t want to use that term.
damn, my engineering career has been in the fucking toilet since I’ve had to compete with the guy in china and this person gets $300K to write fake stories.
something is seriously wrong in the United States of America.
Could you elaborate? One issue we've been trying to get a grip on around here is whether immigration and trade have a significant negative impact on American skilled labor.
The trend now is to get the kind of tempered glass you describe, which, when broken, breaks into small pieces. That's also the kind of glass you get on the side and back windows of cars. But, AFAIK, windshields in the US are still made of _two_ sheets of glass, laminated together. That's why you can get extensive windshield cracking but no crumbling.
So, long story short, it's conceivable that some frat house had a glass table with old style non-tempered glass that broke into dangerous shards. It's also possible that it had tempered glass that crumbled into little glass nuggets.
I mean we all know the story is bullshit anyway.Replies: @Jack D
Ordinary window glass is still not tempered and will break into sharp pieces. Modern plate glass (since the 1950s) is made by the “float glass” process that results in fewer imperfections than earlier methods (the molten glass floats on a perfectly smooth bed of molten tin, like oil floating on water) but the composition of the glass hasn’t really changed. If you replace a pane in an old window you might notice the difference in texture and clarity but it’s basically the same glass.
Glass table tops (and car side and rear windows) are almost always made of “tempered glass”, which is tougher and which breaks into small rounded pieces. Tempered glass is not used in ordinary windows because it costs more and because once it has been tempered it can no longer be cut, but it is used in patio doors, shower doors and other places where people are prone to contact with the glass (e.g windows that begin less than 18″ from the floor). It would be very surprising to see a glass table that was not tempered.
Windshields are, as you say, laminated sandwiches of tempered glass with plastic in the middle. In pre-airbag days it was common to see a head shaped bulge in a windshield at a crash site but the windshield was supposed to keep you inside the car. Windshields also do not fall apart when hit by a stone chip – glass breaks into small pieces like other tempered glass but the crumbled pieces remain stuck together by the plastic middle layer.
“After all, some of us rely on your [Steve’s] preternatural niceness to counterbalance our own cynicism, misanthropy and pessimism.”
And some of us don’t.
That’s not what I value in Steve’s writing, I’m afraid. Frankly I find it clouds the issue more often than not.
I wonder if the editors who accepted and OKed the running of Erdely’s partisanly anti gentile piece were Jewish, I doubt it. I think gentiles are less likely to question such articles. They’re worried about seeming prejudiced. A Jewish senior editor would have the ethnic confidence to discharge their responsibility to be critical and professional .
If you look at Sabrina Erdely’s body of work, you come to an inescapable conclusion: she has a fetish for over-the-top, implausible rape scenarios.
“Fetish” is a very deliberate choice of words on my part.
Her browser’s history tab is likely to be . . . interesting.
Except Scarlett the Avenger Johansson…..
Phillip Roth made a buck by admitting in written form that if you’re short guy, with a big nose, and a curly hair; than you’re also naturally predisposed to develop a hard spot for shiksoid blondes…
No university’s sikeology department-to the best of my humble knowledge-had ever allocated any money for a study on this ethno-fetishist evolutionary strategy.
Equally, Edward Said never bothered to write that chapter of Orientalism. (Petrodollar is an irresistible gorilla glue for Slavic working girls with low levels of eumelanin.)
But then again, do we really need a study to explain why would a proverbial raw-liver/goat shagger have an urge for the world domination over bleached vaginas ?
That doesn't mean Jewish Americans don't have certain hobby horses. #1 - Israel. #2 - Anything having to do with Hitler or the Holocaust. They tend to have a love-hate relationship with Germans and German culture. Some percentage are into the whole "Tikkun olam" thing as it applies to Social Justice. A certain percentage of them are Jeffrey Goldbergs. The vast majority of them are just regular folks who worship in a certain way because it's family tradition (more than anything else) but otherwise they are just regular people. Why do you think the intermarriage rate is so high?
Steve has a point about Sabrina and about the guy who made "Mad Men". But again I don't think their motive is "Goyophobia": I doubt that they'd know how to relate to ordinary unaffected Jewish guys like, say, Sandy Koufax, Mark Spitz, Bob Melvin, etc. They are just people who resent normal people and they happen to be Jewish. Then, when it comes time to justify how tedious they are, they talk about their Jewishness, Tikkun olam, etc.Replies: @bored identity
Only on iSteve could a productive discussion about false campus rape charges get derailed into an idiotic debate about blondes and how high Jews are. Fucking hell you guys are stupid.
But anti-Gentilism was the motivation for the story. We try to get to the root of the problem around here.Replies: @Jim Don Bob
If we held Jews to the same standards for anti-Gentilic malice as they do with whites and anti-semitism, it would be safe to say it’s close to universal.
I await with bated breath the future Marty Peretz School of Journalism at Harvard – construction in the year 2035 to be generously funded by Jeffrey Epstein, Soros, SPLC and the ADL!
Haim Saban Fellowships will be provided to subsidize the taxing intellectual demands of journalism produced by other members of the tribe, such as that woman who wrote the classic Forward piece ‘Is Donald Trump’s Endorsement by 88 Retired Generals a Secret Neo-Nazi Code?’
Cash bonuses via the Podhoretz Fund to be paid for every hot take ominously recounting ‘white privilege’, ‘racist whites’, ‘troubling white nationalism’, those racist and anti-Semitic trailer-park Gentiles, the horrors of isolationism and Pat Buchanan’s ‘anti-Semitism’, all ‘troubling’ tweets from Pepe avatars, and last but certainly not least the latently anti-Semitic/evil fair-headed frat bros (whose great-grandfathers may just have been the ones back in ’32 that didn’t let Grandpa into the country club)!
Oh, and the Kristol Legacy Fund for a New America will by then fully fund the career of the (by-now-media-rehabilitated) terminal fantasist fraud Sabrina Rubin Erdely. Her fans eagerly await her future longform articles breaking down the racism of the Founding Fathers compared to the egalitarian moral superiority of Theodor Herzl’s life and works.
Thanks for the legacy, New Republic magazine!
Cool, so I can flood Jewish journalists with Pepe oven memes and when they accuse me of anti-Semitism I can respond, “Oh, so you think I am familiar with the Kaifeng Jews in China??? I’ll have you know that I have exactly zero knowledge of them and so there is no way I can be anti-Semitic unless I am very familiar with EACH and EVERY group of Semites.”
So instead she married French billionaire François-Henri Pinault.
So it seems she really didn't want to marry for too little money.Replies: @Ivy
Potential leading indicator of trouble chez Pinault, as Hayek’s recent comments about Trump and Mexicans could be driven by domestic troubles?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/dec/15/gender.ukReplies: @Ivy
There is quite a lot of human growth hormone therapy in SoCal to get short teens up to more normal heights. While that may provide some short-term social and ego boost, there should be longer-term concerns about cancer.
You think she doesn’t mind blond Poles? Give me a break.
Good one Jack; but you know that Marx wrote some pretty “dark” things about Jews back in the day, and as you said, he’s just another dead white guy —so three strikes! No, for an ethnocentric, bee-in-the-bonnet, warrior-princess like Erdely, I think it’s safe to say that she’s got a bit of a “golden calf” thing going on; and somewhere in her house, there’s probably a Santería-style shrine devoted to her true idol and spiritual mater familias: Emma Goldman. (And you know, on Halloween, the neighborhood kids probably think it’s pretty cool too)!
Last year I made Aliyah and went in search of Hengist and Horsa(my poor kids thought they were going to Legoland ha!). As Muhammad Ali said after visiting Zaire, “Thank God my grandaddy got on that boat!”
In other words, the model for Europeans is tall, fair, well proportioned and effortlessly graceful and articulate. (Think any upper crust Englishman in a movie.) A lot of people fit that profile and do not care. A certain number of people who do not fit that profile do care.
This also goes back to Steve's "Show me what you were in high school and I'll show you what you are" concept.
I think what happens is that there are a number of people who don't fit the Model Profile and they compensate by hating on the jocks and the surfers and the beauty queens. If they are intelligent -- which Sabrina clearly is -- they leverage that resentment and feeling of inadequacy into a Social Justice Mission Statement and devote their careers accordingly. I don't think being Jewish really has that much to do with it at all. I have known plenty of non-Jews who have the same problem.
But then again it's not anti-Gentile per se. It's against tall, handsome, beautiful people who have a lot of natural charm and who have come from an advantaged background and haven't had to work hard to solve a lot of problems in their personal and professional lives, the kind of people who really don't have to think until they are in their '40's, sometimes with disastrous results. And, then again, there are plenty of Jewish people, or at least, from mixed backgrounds, who fit this profile of privilege as well.
On top of all that there are a number of very successful, confident people who appear too serene and so people like Sabrina will resent them, assuming that they were born in the lap of luxury, when the truth is that they came from the same background as her, and worked really hard to overcome their circumstances, and, more important, worked hard to overcome their sense of inadequacy and resentment. I think this kind of mentality is more what this is about than "Jews"-"Gentiles."Replies: @guest, @syonredux, @5371, @No_0ne
It’s all about Jews against gentiles. If she was sent among blond guys who weren’t brought up wealthy, her excuse for hating them would be that they were revolting trashy hicks.
Who are the Clintons? They aren't any of the above. They are just middle class white people who have made careers out of politics.
The problem with polarizing is that it really doesn't explain anything. You would be surprised to know that there are plenty of Jews, Blacks, and Hispanics who think the way many people think on this blog, and I know, because I know them. So that's problem #1, because it alienates people who could be on our side. Problem #2, is that if you blame the world as it is on Group X, Y, and Z, you have effectively solved nothing: we're not going to be seeing any genocides, however much Bret Stephens implies such.
Sabrina fits a certain stereotype of person, who decided in their youth that their brain was their most important asset, and that that, combined with their SJW agenda, would be their salvation. Personally, I've known a number of people like that, and race or ethnicity has nothing to do with it. Such people will feel superior to anyone who isn't like them, and that's why they will never accomplish much good. It's just an old story, a life trajectory determined by a bunch of petty resentments. Whereas if you were by nature a true outsider, you would know better than to resent, let alone attempt to undermine, the great middle.Replies: @ben tillman, @sayless
Ludicrous. Her story was that men whom she could identify raped her when she was sober (and could therefore remember and testify credibly) and used gratuitous violence that would leave clearly visible injuries that would convince any cop, prosecutor, or juror that she didn’t consent.
Besides, if my memory doesn't fail me, there was the "self-described hookup queen", who later went to the media to say that she never described herself that way. That little confabulation is a giveaway that not only did she not do any fact-checking, but invented parts of the story herself.Replies: @Jack D
So she got paid a lot for lying? I guess that explains Hillary’s speaking fees.
Yes, the story had so many holes it was gross negligence not to check them. I mean, the initial story was unbelievable enough, with the guy (who she went on a date with) offering her up to friends as part of an initiation, that after this her friends tried to dissuade her from going to the police, etc.
Besides, if my memory doesn’t fail me, there was the “self-described hookup queen”, who later went to the media to say that she never described herself that way. That little confabulation is a giveaway that not only did she not do any fact-checking, but invented parts of the story herself.
The real problem was that many of the key elements of Jackie's story would not have withstood any degree of fact checking, starting with the fact that there is no actual person named Haven Monahan. It's normal journalistic practice to call someone who has been accused of a bloody gang rape and ask them if they admit or deny it. Erdely and Rolling Stone had only lame excuses for why they could never get in touch with Haven. There is a category of story that is called "too good to check". Erdely had what appeared to be a major scoop. She was widely praised for her piece before the proverbial stuff hit the fan. If the story had help up it would have been made into a major motion picture ala Spotlight. On some level she and RS must have known that if they pushed too hard with fact checking they might have turned up facts that would have prevented them from printing the story, so they didn't try very hard to debunk their gold strike . It was like a Scooby-Doo mystery - they would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids.
Only on iSteve could a productive discussion about false campus rape charges get derailed into an idiotic debate about blondes and how high Jews are. Fucking hell you guys are stupid.
But anti-Gentilism was the motivation for the story. We try to get to the root of the problem around here.
I’m going by her immediate family background that’s detailed on Wikipedia. I don’t know about her extended background. Her mother was an opera singer, and her father is an oil executive. She seems to be from an upper middle class background. Trump’s wives don’t seem to be from upper or upper middle class backgrounds. Hayek’s husband is apparently from a very wealthy French business family that seems to be wealthier and more respectable and prestigious than Trump.
"Fetish" is a very deliberate choice of words on my part.
Her browser's history tab is likely to be . . . interesting.Replies: @Questionator
If you look at Sabrina Erdely’s body of work, you come to an inescapable conclusion: she has a fetish for over-the-top, implausible rape scenarios.
And with what groups do the villains in her fables tend to be identified?
Actually, I wasn’t thinking of models, at all. Back when I was in high school, long long time ago, the most popular girls were pretty, vivacious, etc. They weren’t tall skinny introverts. Even beauty queens often do not fit that model.
something is seriously wrong in the United States of America.Replies: @Questionator
damn, my engineering career has been in the fucking toilet since I’ve had to compete with the guy in china
Could you elaborate? One issue we’ve been trying to get a grip on around here is whether immigration and trade have a significant negative impact on American skilled labor.
Do you agree with the court’s ruling that Eramo is a public figure?
I hadn’t heard this detail before:
This Jackie person really has a problem with the truth.
The source is the Buzzfeed correspondent Tyler Kingkade who is attending the trial:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/tylerkingkade/rolling-stone-writer-admits-mistakes-in-reporting-of-rape-st?utm_term=.fjV3dEGjM9#.dh5mY1d4lp
Besides, if my memory doesn't fail me, there was the "self-described hookup queen", who later went to the media to say that she never described herself that way. That little confabulation is a giveaway that not only did she not do any fact-checking, but invented parts of the story herself.Replies: @Jack D
It is more or less within the bounds of modern Hunter Thompson type journalism to embellish small, non-material details like that in order to lend (fake) realism to your article. Whether Jackie’s friend was or was not a “hookup queen” was not really material and if that had been her worst sin it would not have been the end of the world.
The real problem was that many of the key elements of Jackie’s story would not have withstood any degree of fact checking, starting with the fact that there is no actual person named Haven Monahan. It’s normal journalistic practice to call someone who has been accused of a bloody gang rape and ask them if they admit or deny it. Erdely and Rolling Stone had only lame excuses for why they could never get in touch with Haven. There is a category of story that is called “too good to check”. Erdely had what appeared to be a major scoop. She was widely praised for her piece before the proverbial stuff hit the fan. If the story had help up it would have been made into a major motion picture ala Spotlight. On some level she and RS must have known that if they pushed too hard with fact checking they might have turned up facts that would have prevented them from printing the story, so they didn’t try very hard to debunk their gold strike . It was like a Scooby-Doo mystery – they would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for those meddling kids.
I think there is a tendency on this blog to look for polarizations and allow that to explain everything. The Jews. The Blacks. The Hispanics. I don’t think it’s that simple.
Who are the Clintons? They aren’t any of the above. They are just middle class white people who have made careers out of politics.
The problem with polarizing is that it really doesn’t explain anything. You would be surprised to know that there are plenty of Jews, Blacks, and Hispanics who think the way many people think on this blog, and I know, because I know them. So that’s problem #1, because it alienates people who could be on our side. Problem #2, is that if you blame the world as it is on Group X, Y, and Z, you have effectively solved nothing: we’re not going to be seeing any genocides, however much Bret Stephens implies such.
Sabrina fits a certain stereotype of person, who decided in their youth that their brain was their most important asset, and that that, combined with their SJW agenda, would be their salvation. Personally, I’ve known a number of people like that, and race or ethnicity has nothing to do with it. Such people will feel superior to anyone who isn’t like them, and that’s why they will never accomplish much good. It’s just an old story, a life trajectory determined by a bunch of petty resentments. Whereas if you were by nature a true outsider, you would know better than to resent, let alone attempt to undermine, the great middle.
Superb, thank you.Replies: @Questionator
If you are a 2 or a 3 like Erdely, it doesn’t matter if an 8 or a 9 is a curvaceous Machado type beauty queen or a skinny tall Melania type fashion model – either way they are out of your league and you know it.
In all honesty, it's giving Erdely too much credit to say she was "conned". Her 2011 story about the "rape culture" in the Catholic Church was notable for its lack of fact-checking. She was "taken in" by an unreliable witness who initially claimed to have been tied to a church altar with sashes and anally raped for five hours, but eventually admitted he made that part up. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice... Is it within the realm of possibility that she went in with both eyes open and thought that if the truth came out, she could fall back on the First Amendment and our traditionally high standard of proof for libel?Replies: @David In TN
Speaking of Dick Wolf, some years ago there was a Law and Order episode intended to be the Duke story except in Wolf’s universe the story was rewritten to make the white guys guilty.
Oh, I’m certain that she doesn’t like blond Poles. It’s just that we have to bear in mind that she lives in the USA and was writing about a uni (UVA) in the American South. Hence, WASPs were uppermost in her mind.
Need to factor in the Mexican trashiness quotient.
She’s half-Scandinavian:
http://ethnicelebs.com/scarlett-johansson
Roth is in his ’80’s now and describes a certain type of American Jew that I have rarely encountered in life beyond persons born after WW2 (including born in DP camps.) A lot of those cliches: “It is good for the Jews”, “goyishe kopf”, “shikse”, etc. go back to old country stereotypes and really don’t have any applicability anymore, at least, not in my experience.
That doesn’t mean Jewish Americans don’t have certain hobby horses. #1 – Israel. #2 – Anything having to do with Hitler or the Holocaust. They tend to have a love-hate relationship with Germans and German culture. Some percentage are into the whole “Tikkun olam” thing as it applies to Social Justice. A certain percentage of them are Jeffrey Goldbergs. The vast majority of them are just regular folks who worship in a certain way because it’s family tradition (more than anything else) but otherwise they are just regular people. Why do you think the intermarriage rate is so high?
Steve has a point about Sabrina and about the guy who made “Mad Men”. But again I don’t think their motive is “Goyophobia”: I doubt that they’d know how to relate to ordinary unaffected Jewish guys like, say, Sandy Koufax, Mark Spitz, Bob Melvin, etc. They are just people who resent normal people and they happen to be Jewish. Then, when it comes time to justify how tedious they are, they talk about their Jewishness, Tikkun olam, etc.
to attend three years of reprogramming in order to become bride-chosen material for this inhibition-free king of comedy whose whole opus is based on mockery of extreme, ultra-traditionalist cultural patterns:All I was saying is that although gentlemen do prefers blondes, a sole preference for blondes does not, and will not make you a gentleman.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
well, perhaps this explains why Rolling Stone hasn’t settled.
The old U.S. Supreme court case to which you refer set an almost impossibly high standard of proof for plaintiff, and in my opinion, it was wrongly decided.
The Court ruled for The Times, 9–0.[9] The rule of law applied by the Alabama courts was found constitutionally deficient for failure to provide safeguards for freedom of speech and of the press, as required by the First and Fourteenth Amendment. The decision further held that even with the proper safeguards, the evidence presented in this case was insufficient to support a judgment for Sullivan. In sum the court ruled that "the First Amendment protects the publication of all statements, even false ones, about the conduct of public officials except when statements are made with actual malice (with knowledge that they are false or in reckless disregard of their truth or falsity)."[11]
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If the judge in the "Rolling Stone" case is basing his ruling on Eramo's being a dean at a (mostly) public university, rather than her being a "public figure" in the sense of being already well-known publicly, prior to the alleged tort of libel, I think that it is quite a stretch to compare her position, as a university dean, with Mr. Sullivan's position, back in the day, as a Montgomery Public Safety Commissioner!?!?!
The male equivalent of women who make false charges of sexual abuse seems to be men who pretend that they were in the military. So many of those active in the Vietnam vets movement of the 1980s turned out to have never been in the service. The opportunity to pose as a victim seems to have a lot of appeal.
Yes, sometimes they would claim to have been "messed up in Nam." Others claimed to be War Heroes. And some "confessed" to atrocities who had never been in Vietnam or even the military.
What I have seen is that a lot of people who were of age during that conflict feel guilt, remorse, or whatever and then extol the service of veterans to -- again, to me -- embarrassing extents. So then people who have never served or who served in a non-Vietnam capacity goose up their resume to get some of that. I've even known people whose fathers did nothing special during WW2 and Korea exaggerate their father's exploits for clients. Life is strange.
That’s not what Wikipedia says. Yeah, I know, right?
But still — what’s the cite? I’m extremely skeptical.
Wikipedia says,
"At that time, the court also declared Jewell a “voluntary limited purpose public figure,” a category that requires that actual malice be proven in a libel lawsuit. A private figure would not need to prove actual malice in a libel suit"
https://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/news/georgias-highest-court-wont-review-jewell-libel-caseReplies: @ben tillman
A newspaper or magazine makes you a public figure by maligning you all over its front pages, but is immune from a lawsuit because you’re now a public figure. Convenient!
The detail from Erdely’s post-story interview, that Jackie had started a rumor about how Kathryn had contracted syphilis is not merely “having a problem with the truth”, it is unspeakably vile.
The source is the Buzzfeed correspondent Tyler Kingkade who is attending the trial:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/tylerkingkade/rolling-stone-writer-admits-mistakes-in-reporting-of-rape-st?utm_term=.fjV3dEGjM9#.dh5mY1d4lp
Hey, Hemmingway, you're writing am article that at best will be enjoyed by hacks and flunkies on the toilet and forgotten next week. You're not writing the Great American Novel.Replies: @Rob McX
But I assume this is lying. Glass was outed for fabricating a load of stories. Wikipedia says “Several seemed to endorse negative stereotypes about ethnic and political groups” and this seems to be one of them.
Who are the Clintons? They aren't any of the above. They are just middle class white people who have made careers out of politics.
The problem with polarizing is that it really doesn't explain anything. You would be surprised to know that there are plenty of Jews, Blacks, and Hispanics who think the way many people think on this blog, and I know, because I know them. So that's problem #1, because it alienates people who could be on our side. Problem #2, is that if you blame the world as it is on Group X, Y, and Z, you have effectively solved nothing: we're not going to be seeing any genocides, however much Bret Stephens implies such.
Sabrina fits a certain stereotype of person, who decided in their youth that their brain was their most important asset, and that that, combined with their SJW agenda, would be their salvation. Personally, I've known a number of people like that, and race or ethnicity has nothing to do with it. Such people will feel superior to anyone who isn't like them, and that's why they will never accomplish much good. It's just an old story, a life trajectory determined by a bunch of petty resentments. Whereas if you were by nature a true outsider, you would know better than to resent, let alone attempt to undermine, the great middle.Replies: @ben tillman, @sayless
If standing up for yourself alienates someone, he is not — and is not interested in being — on your side. In fact, if he does not approve of your efforts at self-defense, he must be on the other side.
Who are the Clintons? They aren't any of the above. They are just middle class white people who have made careers out of politics.
The problem with polarizing is that it really doesn't explain anything. You would be surprised to know that there are plenty of Jews, Blacks, and Hispanics who think the way many people think on this blog, and I know, because I know them. So that's problem #1, because it alienates people who could be on our side. Problem #2, is that if you blame the world as it is on Group X, Y, and Z, you have effectively solved nothing: we're not going to be seeing any genocides, however much Bret Stephens implies such.
Sabrina fits a certain stereotype of person, who decided in their youth that their brain was their most important asset, and that that, combined with their SJW agenda, would be their salvation. Personally, I've known a number of people like that, and race or ethnicity has nothing to do with it. Such people will feel superior to anyone who isn't like them, and that's why they will never accomplish much good. It's just an old story, a life trajectory determined by a bunch of petty resentments. Whereas if you were by nature a true outsider, you would know better than to resent, let alone attempt to undermine, the great middle.Replies: @ben tillman, @sayless
Whereas if you were by nature a true outsider, you would know better than to resent, let alone attempt to undermine, the great middle.
Superb, thank you.
But anti-Gentilism was the motivation for the story. We try to get to the root of the problem around here.Replies: @Jim Don Bob
Steve lets “a thousand flowers bloom” and allows the world to separate the wheat from the chaff.
This is true. My 7th grade girls are giants.
field observation: I've had a bottle smashed against the back of my skull before. While it left one hell of a contusion, it didn't break.Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @larry lurker, @William Badwhite
I remember being shocked when my 6’6″ ~275 lbs idiot friend and his significantly smaller boyfriend attempted to smash one beer bottle each over a guy’s head in the parking lot after the bar closed. Neither bottle broke, and the boyfriend was taken away on a stretcher. Oops.
The guy had a good two decades on us, too.
ramzpaul’s pretty funny parody of the article
Superb, thank you.Replies: @Questionator
That’s just factually, historically inaccurate though as an implied description of jews. They have worked assiduously, for 3,000 years to remain true outsiders.
My neighbors’ glass table broke, and the chunks were sort of cubical. Any sharp edges were very small, so you could get nicks, but not deep artery-slashing gashes.
Interesting point. I think there may be something to it. I would make the same observation to Jason Liu. If allies flee so easily at White’s trying to defend themselves. At minimum, there seems to be some empathy lacking there…
The old U.S. Supreme court case to which you refer set an almost impossibly high standard of proof for plaintiff, and in my opinion, it was wrongly decided.Replies: @D. K.
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The Court ruled for The Times, 9–0.[9] The rule of law applied by the Alabama courts was found constitutionally deficient for failure to provide safeguards for freedom of speech and of the press, as required by the First and Fourteenth Amendment. The decision further held that even with the proper safeguards, the evidence presented in this case was insufficient to support a judgment for Sullivan. In sum the court ruled that “the First Amendment protects the publication of all statements, even false ones, about the conduct of public officials except when statements are made with actual malice (with knowledge that they are false or in reckless disregard of their truth or falsity).”[11]
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(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._Sullivan ]
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If the judge in the “Rolling Stone” case is basing his ruling on Eramo’s being a dean at a (mostly) public university, rather than her being a “public figure” in the sense of being already well-known publicly, prior to the alleged tort of libel, I think that it is quite a stretch to compare her position, as a university dean, with Mr. Sullivan’s position, back in the day, as a Montgomery Public Safety Commissioner!?!?!
“Well I’ve only seen broken auto glass and it is definitely not shards. You still wouldn’t want to lie on it but it wouldn’t do anything like the damage that broken regular glass would do.
I can’t speak for furniture glass from personal experience.”
“Safety glass” is made by sandwiching a sheet of plastic inside two layers of glass. A windshield will break but not collapse thanks to the internal sheet.
“Tempered glass” is made by inducing differential pressures inside the glass when it is manufactured so that it literally explodes into pieces when hit (sliding glass door style into tiny pieces.)
“Plate glass” will break into large shards like a guillotine and twice as sharp. Old time glazers would be missing digits and present ghoulish scars on their bodies and arms.
You might still encounter “plate glass” or single/double strength glass in old windows, but most modern glazing today is done with safety or tempered glass especially where high winds, earthquake or hurricane building codes are prevalent.
The manufacturing process means that tempered glass is not quite as perfectly flat as plate glass, therefore plate might still be used for furniture such as table tops.
I saw the info about it exploding! Jackie should have said the guy hit the table and it went and exploded on him.
Thanks for the info!
Is this another Steve Sailer meme?
Quick, someone update his page at Infogalactic: http://infogalactic.com/info/Steve_Sailer#Memes
I can’t speak for furniture glass from personal experience."
"Safety glass" is made by sandwiching a sheet of plastic inside two layers of glass. A windshield will break but not collapse thanks to the internal sheet.
"Tempered glass" is made by inducing differential pressures inside the glass when it is manufactured so that it literally explodes into pieces when hit (sliding glass door style into tiny pieces.)
"Plate glass" will break into large shards like a guillotine and twice as sharp. Old time glazers would be missing digits and present ghoulish scars on their bodies and arms.
You might still encounter "plate glass" or single/double strength glass in old windows, but most modern glazing today is done with safety or tempered glass especially where high winds, earthquake or hurricane building codes are prevalent.
The manufacturing process means that tempered glass is not quite as perfectly flat as plate glass, therefore plate might still be used for furniture such as table tops.Replies: @Frau Katze
I looked it up and glass furniture is made of tempered glass all right.
I saw the info about it exploding! Jackie should have said the guy hit the table and it went and exploded on him.
Thanks for the info!
That’s a pattern in SVU, and probably the entire Law & Order franchise.
For real. Imagine if the work required to research that stupid shit was applied constructively.
“So many of those active in the Vietnam vets movement of the 1980s turned out to have never been in the service. The opportunity to pose as a victim seems to have a lot of appeal.”
Yes, sometimes they would claim to have been “messed up in Nam.” Others claimed to be War Heroes. And some “confessed” to atrocities who had never been in Vietnam or even the military.
Any interesting anecdotes? Whither the Kingdom of Rohan?
Back in the 80's I watched this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL6D54D1C7DAE31B36&v=7UG6vHXArlk
Last year stayed a few days near Silkeborg, Denmark(near Legoland). Phoned the Silkeborg Museum, was told that it was closed on that day, "But you can come anyway, I'll let you in." Presented 30 minutes later. Nice Danish lady walked us over to the museum and unlocked the door. "Come and get me when you've finished so I can lock the door." Me and the kids have museum to ourselves for next hour. Crazy trust. Love them for it. We get to see the Tollund Man.
Next day went down to Flensburg, Germany. Flensburg's eastern shore, part of the Angeln peninsula. Wife: "What are you doing there?" Kids: "What are we doing here?" Me: "Looking for the Anglii!" Not much to see. Anglii said to be long gone but plenty of 'Syrian' walkers on the roads and highways. Son: "It's like the Walking Dead!"
Lots of trips to Germany and Denmark last year. Staying near Malmo. Anecdotes aplenty in a year of great European stupidity. Crazy trust. Beginning to hate them for it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tollund_Man
Horrible Histories: Hengist and Horsa steal Kent from Vortigern.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1j7JFIMfu4o
Why the Saxons continue to flake? Continue LOTR's theme.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ckq-4Y6a87sReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
Re: Richard Jewel:
“At that time, the court also declared Jewell a “voluntary limited purpose public figure,” a category that requires that actual malice be proven in a libel lawsuit. A private figure would not need to prove actual malice in a libel suit”
https://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/news/georgias-highest-court-wont-review-jewell-libel-case
Cf actor Brian Dennehy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Dennehy#Early_life
I don’t think “Stolen Valor” guys see themselves as victims. I think they see an opportunity to be lauded as “heroes.” Bear in mind that military service was not popular during the Vietnam period and many people went to — to me — disgraceful lengths to avoid service. On the other hand, those who were in the service in that time frame, usually went into it for other reasons and/or if drafted did not serve in Vietnam. I mean, I didn’t.
What I have seen is that a lot of people who were of age during that conflict feel guilt, remorse, or whatever and then extol the service of veterans to — again, to me — embarrassing extents. So then people who have never served or who served in a non-Vietnam capacity goose up their resume to get some of that. I’ve even known people whose fathers did nothing special during WW2 and Korea exaggerate their father’s exploits for clients. Life is strange.
That’s a myth. He was making a sales pitch and speaking the language of his target audience.
It’s not a discussion about false campus rape charges. It’s a discussion about the use of false rape charges to serve an ethnopolitical agenda.
We know she sought to write a story about "rape culture" and when she discovered this one it turned out to be too good to pass up (or be true). So before she even knew Jackie she had her story. She didn't care that Coakley's story didn't check out.Replies: @syonredux, @gzu
The man who’d marry this creature deserves what he’s going to get.
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Dunno. Marx was no a member of the “race doesn’t exist” crowd. For example, there’s his description of Lasalle:
Marx sounds pretty negative here:
From Marx’s “The Russian Loan”:
He could have at least lied with workmanlike, unobtrusive prose, is all I’m saying. I hate journalistic writing that calls attention to itself.
Unless the writer has actual style, like a Mencken or a Wolfe. In which case they can write however they like
Which parts were the sales pitch and which parts weren’t? I assume his real beliefs are the ones his defenders are most ideologically comfortable with.
Dammit! Wonky URL. Final attempt— try this. Click on “Full resolution” under preview image. Great conceptual design by Alan Lee.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hengist_and_Horsa
That doesn't mean Jewish Americans don't have certain hobby horses. #1 - Israel. #2 - Anything having to do with Hitler or the Holocaust. They tend to have a love-hate relationship with Germans and German culture. Some percentage are into the whole "Tikkun olam" thing as it applies to Social Justice. A certain percentage of them are Jeffrey Goldbergs. The vast majority of them are just regular folks who worship in a certain way because it's family tradition (more than anything else) but otherwise they are just regular people. Why do you think the intermarriage rate is so high?
Steve has a point about Sabrina and about the guy who made "Mad Men". But again I don't think their motive is "Goyophobia": I doubt that they'd know how to relate to ordinary unaffected Jewish guys like, say, Sandy Koufax, Mark Spitz, Bob Melvin, etc. They are just people who resent normal people and they happen to be Jewish. Then, when it comes time to justify how tedious they are, they talk about their Jewishness, Tikkun olam, etc.Replies: @bored identity
You got it!
Hmmm, maybe because it has to be a lot of fun for this Venetian blonde
to attend three years of reprogramming in order to become bride-chosen material for this inhibition-free king of comedy whose whole opus is based on mockery of extreme, ultra-traditionalist cultural patterns:
All I was saying is that although gentlemen do prefers blondes, a sole preference for blondes does not, and will not make you a gentleman.
“Mr. Baron Cohen? A question. In your opinion, is neurotic religious OCD mostly due to genetics, or mostly due to indoctrination?”Replies: @Steve Sailer, @bored identity
to attend three years of reprogramming in order to become bride-chosen material for this inhibition-free king of comedy whose whole opus is based on mockery of extreme, ultra-traditionalist cultural patterns:All I was saying is that although gentlemen do prefers blondes, a sole preference for blondes does not, and will not make you a gentleman.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
Would’ve been awesome if the waiter somehow recognized him and deadpanned:
“Mr. Baron Cohen? A question. In your opinion, is neurotic religious OCD mostly due to genetics, or mostly due to indoctrination?”
In the aftermath, Cohen would end with a front-page entrance, and the waiter would end with a back-door exit...
“Mr. Baron Cohen? A question. In your opinion, is neurotic religious OCD mostly due to genetics, or mostly due to indoctrination?”Replies: @Steve Sailer, @bored identity
He probably say that you should ask his cousin Dr. Baron Cohen.
https://youtu.be/8kU_CQGWBsUI'm not an expert, but I strongly believe that if,back in 2002, an average autistic kiddo- already juiced on the extreme male brain wiring- was forced to consume all 15 episodes of this macabrely induced CG-therapy, the same lad today would be more than ripe to be voluntarily transported to Syria. There, in local bazaar, everything is rather predictable and systematic.
A real time assortments of severed human heads conveniently grafted on top of the hoods of cars, trains, ships & planes are common sightseeing.
An optional CG is also provided on demand.
Most people have moved on so …. OT anecdotes that come to mind.
Back in the 80’s I watched this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL6D54D1C7DAE31B36&v=7UG6vHXArlk
Last year stayed a few days near Silkeborg, Denmark(near Legoland). Phoned the Silkeborg Museum, was told that it was closed on that day, “But you can come anyway, I’ll let you in.” Presented 30 minutes later. Nice Danish lady walked us over to the museum and unlocked the door. “Come and get me when you’ve finished so I can lock the door.” Me and the kids have museum to ourselves for next hour. Crazy trust. Love them for it. We get to see the Tollund Man.
Next day went down to Flensburg, Germany. Flensburg’s eastern shore, part of the Angeln peninsula. Wife: “What are you doing there?” Kids: “What are we doing here?” Me: “Looking for the Anglii!” Not much to see. Anglii said to be long gone but plenty of ‘Syrian’ walkers on the roads and highways. Son: “It’s like the Walking Dead!”
Lots of trips to Germany and Denmark last year. Staying near Malmo. Anecdotes aplenty in a year of great European stupidity. Crazy trust. Beginning to hate them for it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tollund_Man
Horrible Histories: Hengist and Horsa steal Kent from Vortigern.
Why the Saxons continue to flake? Continue LOTR’s theme.
Ah and I see Hengist and Horsa-type horse-head gables on the Golden Hall of Meduseld.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hengist_and_Horsa
Clicking full resolution still did not work for me (probably something to do with the image being much larger than my browser window?). Clicking the 1,024 × 429 pixels version worked well in my browser. Downloading the full resolution version also worked well.
In an ordinary defamation case, "a plaintiff must show four things: 1) a false statement purporting to be fact; 2) publication or communication of that statement to a third person; 3) fault amounting to at least negligence; and 4) damages, or some harm caused to the person or entity who is the subject of the statement."
Public Figures have to prove more than that. They must, "show that statements were made with actual malice to recover in an action for defamation. Actual malice means that a statement was made with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether or not it was false. In addition, a plaintiff must show actual malice by "clear and convincing" evidence rather than the usual burden of proof in a civil case, preponderance of the evidence."Replies: @D. K., @No_0ne
Yeah, but the point of the different standard for “public figures” would seem to be that people like Hollywood actors, pop singers, and politicians have deliberately sought to make themselves public figures, and to generate publicity about themselves, and therefore should be willing to accept that a certain percentage of that publicity is going to be negative.
To interpret it as meaning essentially “You’re now well-known solely because of this story that libelled you, therefore you’re a ‘public figure,’ and are subject to a higher standard in suing the perpetrators of said libel,” seems more than a little disingenuous, if not deliberately biased.
In other words, the model for Europeans is tall, fair, well proportioned and effortlessly graceful and articulate. (Think any upper crust Englishman in a movie.) A lot of people fit that profile and do not care. A certain number of people who do not fit that profile do care.
This also goes back to Steve's "Show me what you were in high school and I'll show you what you are" concept.
I think what happens is that there are a number of people who don't fit the Model Profile and they compensate by hating on the jocks and the surfers and the beauty queens. If they are intelligent -- which Sabrina clearly is -- they leverage that resentment and feeling of inadequacy into a Social Justice Mission Statement and devote their careers accordingly. I don't think being Jewish really has that much to do with it at all. I have known plenty of non-Jews who have the same problem.
But then again it's not anti-Gentile per se. It's against tall, handsome, beautiful people who have a lot of natural charm and who have come from an advantaged background and haven't had to work hard to solve a lot of problems in their personal and professional lives, the kind of people who really don't have to think until they are in their '40's, sometimes with disastrous results. And, then again, there are plenty of Jewish people, or at least, from mixed backgrounds, who fit this profile of privilege as well.
On top of all that there are a number of very successful, confident people who appear too serene and so people like Sabrina will resent them, assuming that they were born in the lap of luxury, when the truth is that they came from the same background as her, and worked really hard to overcome their circumstances, and, more important, worked hard to overcome their sense of inadequacy and resentment. I think this kind of mentality is more what this is about than "Jews"-"Gentiles."Replies: @guest, @syonredux, @5371, @No_0ne
Now that’s a real effort at deflection. Anony-mouse’s was just pitiful.
The vast majority of Jews that I have known are assimilationist (even if they retain the faith, or have a Jewish spouse) and are not interested in limiting themselves, or their children, by buying into old stereotypes, either pro- or anti-Semitic. It's just a waste of time and effort to go down that road.
Yes, as some recent comments indicate, many Jews tend to be highly partisan on anything pertaining to Israel, and also tend to see a Holocaust around every corner. But those are relatively minor things.Replies: @reiner Tor
“I have met a couple of people like Jackie Coakley who just lie about everything, even stuff that doesn’t matter.”
I think there is a fair amount of cognitive dissonance going inside the heads of a lot of college girls. I became aware of it in grad school (at UVA). I was in my late 20’s and single and went out almost every night. My first few times running into a Jackie I’d be interested in whatever fantastic tales they were telling. I soon grew to have little interest in women under 25 or so – far too immature and often batshit crazy. I moved from chasing undergrads to chasing townies and nursing students.
A 1st year female is 18 or 19. That is someone who, a mere 5 or 6 years before, was playing with toy unicorns, enjoying fairy tales, and dreaming of being a princess. Now all of a sudden they’re living on their own and are supposed to be worldly (read: sexually active with no hangups) and its too much for many of them. So they make up fairy tales or their brain short circuits like Jackie’s. They’re just kids. Further, because of our overly restrictive alcohol laws and “zero tolerance” nonsense in high schools, few of them have learned to drink. When I was in high school the drinking age was 18 for beer and wine – by the time you went to college you had at least some clue of how to handle booze.
Expecting an 18-year old girl that grew up in today’s ‘burbs to be able to navigate a modern sexual marketplace while also learning to handle alcohol is too much.
Its just another way feminism destroys things. But instead of blaming themselves and their idiotic ideas, they shriek about “rape culture”. If I was President of U-Va instead of the disgraceful Sullivan, 1st and 2nd year girls would live in single-sex dorms and I’d concoct all sorts of paternalistic ways of sheltering them.
Your understanding of what girls are doing in high school may be somewhat dated and quaint.
This explains much of the behavior of the press, and that of Erdely in this instance. Her paycheck depended on her NOT understanding that Jackie was clearly spinning tall tales.
Humans in general have a propensity to hear what they want to hear, but when you add financial (and political) incentives to that mix, then the effect is magnified. Erdely may have even sincerely believed Jackie (thus the tears). People in such situations are sometimes fully and cynically aware that they are repeating untruths in order to reap financial and political benefits but sometimes they are so blinded by these motives that they are not even aware of their bias. It is a peculiar aspect of the liberal disease that they seem to lack all self awareness - they swim in the liberal sea their entire lives so they don't even realize that they are underwater.Replies: @Perplexed, @No_0ne
No, Erdely spent quite a bit of time consciously framing this story, set at a Southern university, with blond, frat boy villains. She had the story outline in place already, and just needed the right kind of crazy chick at the right place to serve as the “source.”
Doing your part to debunk that stereotype about “high verbal intelligence,” I see. Nice job.
Baron Simon Hyphenated Cohen is an equally gifted cinematographer; his series “The Transporters”, while sounding like just another Holocaust inspired saga, in reality is designed to help children with autism aged between two and eight years old to recognize and understand emotions:
Basically, it’s Thomas The Tank Engine for Fuck-ups;
I’m not an expert, but I strongly believe that if,back in 2002, an average autistic kiddo- already juiced on the extreme male brain wiring- was forced to consume all 15 episodes of this macabrely induced CG-therapy, the same lad today would be more than ripe to be voluntarily transported to Syria.
There, in local bazaar, everything is rather predictable and systematic.
A real time assortments of severed human heads conveniently grafted on top of the hoods of cars, trains, ships & planes are common sightseeing.
An optional CG is also provided on demand.
field observation: I've had a bottle smashed against the back of my skull before. While it left one hell of a contusion, it didn't break.Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @larry lurker, @William Badwhite
“field observation: I’ve had a bottle smashed against the back of my skull before. While it left one hell of a contusion, it didn’t break.”
In a fairly serious fracas between some of my fraternity brothers and some “townies” in a pool hall/bar back in mid-80s Virginia, one of my fraternity brothers had a bottle broken over his head. His scalp was fairly severely lacerated (16 stitches iirc) and he also had a concussion. The ER docs made us wake him up every hour so, etc. Even the townie that broke it over his head seemed shocked at how much damage it did. My guess is he thought it would be like in the movies.
The bottle-in-the-face story was my first “tell” the Jackie article was BS. Of course another tell was that the type of kids that make the sacrifices necessary to be admitted to U-Va would have “commit a violent felony” as an initiation ritual. And that none of the guys had sisters or mothers or female cousins or girlfriends or just basic morals and would object.
I hope Peter Thiel jumps in here and helps Eramo bankrupt RS; it would be a good object lesson for the Left.
“Mr. Baron Cohen? A question. In your opinion, is neurotic religious OCD mostly due to genetics, or mostly due to indoctrination?”Replies: @Steve Sailer, @bored identity
S.B.C. would probably exercise full Don’t Mess with Stanislavski switcheroo, going from more or less civil “grill the waiter”routine to an ugly, shoa-off “fire the waiter”improv.
In the aftermath, Cohen would end with a front-page entrance, and the waiter would end with a back-door exit…
Just because some ethnocentric and obnoxious guy on the internet is Jewish, and just because he believes that he is influential, doesn’t mean that either Jews as a group are ethnocentric and obnoxious or that they are influential. It’s just confirmation bias to think that way.
The vast majority of Jews that I have known are assimilationist (even if they retain the faith, or have a Jewish spouse) and are not interested in limiting themselves, or their children, by buying into old stereotypes, either pro- or anti-Semitic. It’s just a waste of time and effort to go down that road.
Yes, as some recent comments indicate, many Jews tend to be highly partisan on anything pertaining to Israel, and also tend to see a Holocaust around every corner. But those are relatively minor things.
The holocaust is now taught in schools as the epitome of evil. Holocaust education conditions Western children to anti-nationalism. If you want to get rid of it, you'll get into some serious confrontation with Jews anyway. Minor detail?
Also their pro-Israelism is what gives us the Israel lobby, which is by far the strongest ethnic lobby in the US. It played an enormous role in the Iraq war and probably in most other Middle Eastern meddling (e.g. Syria). Minor detail?
And I think noticing patterns in the behavior of certain groups is what people of the alt right are engaged in. We also criticise such groups. I can't see why exempting one group (and only one group) from such criticism would make any sense.Replies: @Spmoore8
100% accurate (except it’s anti-European racism, mostly).
Yeah, there’s a bit more to it than some guy on the internet.
In a fairly serious fracas between some of my fraternity brothers and some "townies" in a pool hall/bar back in mid-80s Virginia, one of my fraternity brothers had a bottle broken over his head. His scalp was fairly severely lacerated (16 stitches iirc) and he also had a concussion. The ER docs made us wake him up every hour so, etc. Even the townie that broke it over his head seemed shocked at how much damage it did. My guess is he thought it would be like in the movies.
The bottle-in-the-face story was my first "tell" the Jackie article was BS. Of course another tell was that the type of kids that make the sacrifices necessary to be admitted to U-Va would have "commit a violent felony" as an initiation ritual. And that none of the guys had sisters or mothers or female cousins or girlfriends or just basic morals and would object.Replies: @Jim Don Bob
Agree. The first time I read Jackie’s story, my BS detector went off – too may perfect details. I am sure the cops thought so too; they get lied to by professionals and know the difference.
I hope Peter Thiel jumps in here and helps Eramo bankrupt RS; it would be a good object lesson for the Left.
The Court’s unanimous holding in the Sullivan case was based on his being a public OFFICIAL– not a celebrity who had sought out the spotlight, in one form or another. I have a hard time seeing Ms. Eramo, serving as a university dean, in an analogous role to Mr. Sullivan’s, since he was serving as a metropolitan police commissioner; she most certainly was not a “public figure”– let alone a celebrity– prior to her being defamed by Ms. Erdely and “Rolling Stone” magazine.
Actually, Judge Conrad (opinion dated 9/22/16) found Eramo to be a Limited-Purpose public figure. This is the test:
"(1) the plaintiff had access to channels of effective communication (2) the plaintiff voluntarily assumed a role of special prominence in the public controversy (3) the plaintiff sought to influence the resolution or outcome of the controversy (4) the controversy existed prior to the publication of the defamatory statement, and (5) the plaintiff retained public-figure status at the time of the alleged defamation"
IMHO, his finding seems reasonably supported by the facts appearing in the opinion.
On those facts, Eramo appears to have voluntarily injected herself into the controversy and made her name and face very public prior to the RS article's publication.Replies: @D. K.
Back in the 80's I watched this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL6D54D1C7DAE31B36&v=7UG6vHXArlk
Last year stayed a few days near Silkeborg, Denmark(near Legoland). Phoned the Silkeborg Museum, was told that it was closed on that day, "But you can come anyway, I'll let you in." Presented 30 minutes later. Nice Danish lady walked us over to the museum and unlocked the door. "Come and get me when you've finished so I can lock the door." Me and the kids have museum to ourselves for next hour. Crazy trust. Love them for it. We get to see the Tollund Man.
Next day went down to Flensburg, Germany. Flensburg's eastern shore, part of the Angeln peninsula. Wife: "What are you doing there?" Kids: "What are we doing here?" Me: "Looking for the Anglii!" Not much to see. Anglii said to be long gone but plenty of 'Syrian' walkers on the roads and highways. Son: "It's like the Walking Dead!"
Lots of trips to Germany and Denmark last year. Staying near Malmo. Anecdotes aplenty in a year of great European stupidity. Crazy trust. Beginning to hate them for it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tollund_Man
Horrible Histories: Hengist and Horsa steal Kent from Vortigern.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1j7JFIMfu4o
Why the Saxons continue to flake? Continue LOTR's theme.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ckq-4Y6a87sReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
Thanks for replying! Great series (The Story of English), I might have seen it when first broadcast, I can’t remember. Will watch again. It’s too bad about the current zombification of the Old Land. Maybe the Wormetongues and their allies will suffer a stunning reversal. We live in ‘interesting’ times.
The vast majority of Jews that I have known are assimilationist (even if they retain the faith, or have a Jewish spouse) and are not interested in limiting themselves, or their children, by buying into old stereotypes, either pro- or anti-Semitic. It's just a waste of time and effort to go down that road.
Yes, as some recent comments indicate, many Jews tend to be highly partisan on anything pertaining to Israel, and also tend to see a Holocaust around every corner. But those are relatively minor things.Replies: @reiner Tor
Not minor in that it makes them anti-nationalists. A good rule of thumb is that where Jews flourish, nationalism doesn’t. They also give a lot of money to politics, well over 90% this cycle to anti-Trump causes (they always give to the left or to the most pro-open borders and pro-Israel politicians on the left) and of course keep voting Democrat (even though the Republicans were the most Jew-friendly party), so you can’t say it’s possible to appease them: they’ll hate the alt right because Holocaust no matter what.
The holocaust is now taught in schools as the epitome of evil. Holocaust education conditions Western children to anti-nationalism. If you want to get rid of it, you’ll get into some serious confrontation with Jews anyway. Minor detail?
Also their pro-Israelism is what gives us the Israel lobby, which is by far the strongest ethnic lobby in the US. It played an enormous role in the Iraq war and probably in most other Middle Eastern meddling (e.g. Syria). Minor detail?
And I think noticing patterns in the behavior of certain groups is what people of the alt right are engaged in. We also criticise such groups. I can’t see why exempting one group (and only one group) from such criticism would make any sense.
Moreover, even if Israel and the Holocaust provide ready made political talking points those views are often shared by non-Jews and are not shared by all Jews, as per example the numerous Jewish Trump supporters I know, or the numerous Jews who were opposed to the Iraq war.
Meanwhile some of the most extreme nationalists I knew among Eastern Europeans were of Jewish extraction. Ditto Germany in the old days.
It's simply better to criticize the POVs you don't like than to start blaming groups. The latter is gratuitous.Replies: @reiner Tor
The holocaust is now taught in schools as the epitome of evil. Holocaust education conditions Western children to anti-nationalism. If you want to get rid of it, you'll get into some serious confrontation with Jews anyway. Minor detail?
Also their pro-Israelism is what gives us the Israel lobby, which is by far the strongest ethnic lobby in the US. It played an enormous role in the Iraq war and probably in most other Middle Eastern meddling (e.g. Syria). Minor detail?
And I think noticing patterns in the behavior of certain groups is what people of the alt right are engaged in. We also criticise such groups. I can't see why exempting one group (and only one group) from such criticism would make any sense.Replies: @Spmoore8
I don’t disagree with your points but the criticism of Jews often rises far beyond group criticism.
Moreover, even if Israel and the Holocaust provide ready made political talking points those views are often shared by non-Jews and are not shared by all Jews, as per example the numerous Jewish Trump supporters I know, or the numerous Jews who were opposed to the Iraq war.
Meanwhile some of the most extreme nationalists I knew among Eastern Europeans were of Jewish extraction. Ditto Germany in the old days.
It’s simply better to criticize the POVs you don’t like than to start blaming groups. The latter is gratuitous.
"At that time, the court also declared Jewell a “voluntary limited purpose public figure,” a category that requires that actual malice be proven in a libel lawsuit. A private figure would not need to prove actual malice in a libel suit"
https://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/news/georgias-highest-court-wont-review-jewell-libel-caseReplies: @ben tillman
You’re right; the relevant discussion is at 555 S.E.2d 175, 182-85.
I think there is a fair amount of cognitive dissonance going inside the heads of a lot of college girls. I became aware of it in grad school (at UVA). I was in my late 20's and single and went out almost every night. My first few times running into a Jackie I'd be interested in whatever fantastic tales they were telling. I soon grew to have little interest in women under 25 or so - far too immature and often batshit crazy. I moved from chasing undergrads to chasing townies and nursing students.
A 1st year female is 18 or 19. That is someone who, a mere 5 or 6 years before, was playing with toy unicorns, enjoying fairy tales, and dreaming of being a princess. Now all of a sudden they're living on their own and are supposed to be worldly (read: sexually active with no hangups) and its too much for many of them. So they make up fairy tales or their brain short circuits like Jackie's. They're just kids. Further, because of our overly restrictive alcohol laws and "zero tolerance" nonsense in high schools, few of them have learned to drink. When I was in high school the drinking age was 18 for beer and wine - by the time you went to college you had at least some clue of how to handle booze.
Expecting an 18-year old girl that grew up in today's 'burbs to be able to navigate a modern sexual marketplace while also learning to handle alcohol is too much.
Its just another way feminism destroys things. But instead of blaming themselves and their idiotic ideas, they shriek about "rape culture". If I was President of U-Va instead of the disgraceful Sullivan, 1st and 2nd year girls would live in single-sex dorms and I'd concoct all sorts of paternalistic ways of sheltering them.Replies: @Questionator
Expecting an 18-year old girl that grew up in today’s ‘burbs to be able to navigate a modern sexual marketplace while also learning to handle alcohol is too much
Your understanding of what girls are doing in high school may be somewhat dated and quaint.
Speaking of “pervasive ethnic malice against the university founded by Thomas Jefferson,” there’s Karl Shapiro’s tribute to the school that he attended (but from which he did not take his degree): https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/detail/22722
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/salma-hayek-i-denied-trump-a-date-so-he-planted-a-national-e
"On a Spanish-language radio show, the Clinton-supporting actor said Trump befriended her boyfriend to get her number, but when she denied his offer to go on a date, he had a story planted in the National Enquirer that he wouldn’t date her because she’s too short."Replies: @guest, @syonredux, @SPMoore8, @syonredux, @Percy Gryce, @The most deplorable one, @bored identity, @Kyle
This doesn’t make us want to vote against nationalism and for globalism.
Ideas are bulletproof. I care about my geneology, I don’t care about Selma hayaks feelings.
Several comments suggest that the court must have used circular logic to come to their conclusion. They did not.
Actually, Judge Conrad (opinion dated 9/22/16) found Eramo to be a Limited-Purpose public figure. This is the test:
“(1) the plaintiff had access to channels of effective communication (2) the plaintiff voluntarily assumed a role of special prominence in the public controversy (3) the plaintiff sought to influence the resolution or outcome of the controversy (4) the controversy existed prior to the publication of the defamatory statement, and (5) the plaintiff retained public-figure status at the time of the alleged defamation”
IMHO, his finding seems reasonably supported by the facts appearing in the opinion.
On those facts, Eramo appears to have voluntarily injected herself into the controversy and made her name and face very public prior to the RS article’s publication.
Moreover, even if Israel and the Holocaust provide ready made political talking points those views are often shared by non-Jews and are not shared by all Jews, as per example the numerous Jewish Trump supporters I know, or the numerous Jews who were opposed to the Iraq war.
Meanwhile some of the most extreme nationalists I knew among Eastern Europeans were of Jewish extraction. Ditto Germany in the old days.
It's simply better to criticize the POVs you don't like than to start blaming groups. The latter is gratuitous.Replies: @reiner Tor
But that’s true of any other patterns. For example, there are decent law-abiding blacks. Does that mean we should refrain from saying publicly (even on an anonymous comment forum) that blacks commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime? I think Professor Cochran made a good case that such unpleasant truths need to be said over and over again, just so that the new generation won’t have to spend a lot of time (in my case, until roughly my 33rd birthday) to learn those facts. In many other people’s case, basically, never.
So it’s not enough to recognize the patterns for ourselves, we need to make it public knowledge. It also makes it possible for the group thus criticized to correct its course and modify its behavior. Humans are flexible strategists, after all, and can change their behavior in response to societal pressure.
My impression is that those people who I had thought were “extreme nationalists of Jewish extraction” were usually not that extreme nationalists, moreover, they quite often changed their positions and became anti-nationalists over time, which in my observation happened way more often (and more completely) than with gentile “extreme nationalists”, even in the absence of traumatic experiences. (Like, after WW2 understandably lots of German extreme nationalists became anti-nationalists, both Jews and non-Jews. But what was the trauma for supposedly Hungarian nationalist Jews around the year 2000?) In older age, in my experience, Jews are usually either anti-nationalists or Jewish nationalists, even if they had been nationalists for the countries they grew up in.
Actually, Judge Conrad (opinion dated 9/22/16) found Eramo to be a Limited-Purpose public figure. This is the test:
"(1) the plaintiff had access to channels of effective communication (2) the plaintiff voluntarily assumed a role of special prominence in the public controversy (3) the plaintiff sought to influence the resolution or outcome of the controversy (4) the controversy existed prior to the publication of the defamatory statement, and (5) the plaintiff retained public-figure status at the time of the alleged defamation"
IMHO, his finding seems reasonably supported by the facts appearing in the opinion.
On those facts, Eramo appears to have voluntarily injected herself into the controversy and made her name and face very public prior to the RS article's publication.Replies: @D. K.
Jackie’s hoax was a “public controversy” prior to the publication of the article in “Rolling Stone” magazine? When and where had Jackie’s false claims of her being gang raped at a fraternity been published, prior to that later-retracted article? Dean Eramo did not insert herself into a “public controversy;” she merely did her job, as a dean at the University of Virginia, to deal with a hoaxer who claimed, without any supporting evidence, to have been gang raped at one of that university’s fraternity houses. There was no controversy, at all, until the “Rolling Stone” article’s publication.
The "public controversy" was therefore "UVA's response to allegations of sexual assault" and not Jackie's specific story/hoax.
I don't have independent confirmation of these facts of the case, but assuming the court got the facts right, I find no fault in the 9/22/16 opinion in which Eramo is found to be a Limited-Purpose Public Figure.Replies: @D. K., @D. K.
“Regarding the fourth and fifth factors, Eramo’s numerous local media appearances and their temporal proximity to the Article, in addition to the Office of Civil Rights investigation UVA was under at the time, indicate that the controversy at issue, UVA’s response to allegations of sexual assault, existed prior to the publication of the Article.”
The “public controversy” was therefore “UVA’s response to allegations of sexual assault” and not Jackie’s specific story/hoax.
I don’t have independent confirmation of these facts of the case, but assuming the court got the facts right, I find no fault in the 9/22/16 opinion in which Eramo is found to be a Limited-Purpose Public Figure.
The "public controversy" was therefore "UVA's response to allegations of sexual assault" and not Jackie's specific story/hoax.
I don't have independent confirmation of these facts of the case, but assuming the court got the facts right, I find no fault in the 9/22/16 opinion in which Eramo is found to be a Limited-Purpose Public Figure.Replies: @D. K., @D. K.
What was the title of the “Rolling Stone” article that just was found to have been libelous, despite the Court’s earlier ruling that Dean Eramo was a “public figure” for purposes of the suit that she had filed? It was precisely Dean Eramo’s actions vis-a-vis hoaxer Jackie Coakley that Ms. Erdley and “Rolling Stone” used to libel Dean Eramo, by falsely portraying her actual actions vis-a-vis the unpunished hoaxer, Ms. Coakley, in a negative light. Absent Jackie Coakley’s hoax, Ms. Erdley and “Rolling Stone” would have had no publishable story supporting the thesis that the University of Virginia was unsupportive of self-proclaimed victims of the supposed campus-rape epidemic, there and throughout the United States. Regardless, Dean Eramo’s doing her job of representing the University of Virginia, on a subject within the purview of her office, was hardly a matter of her “inserting” herself into a “public controversy,” as to the subject of campus rapes, in general.
The "public controversy" was therefore "UVA's response to allegations of sexual assault" and not Jackie's specific story/hoax.
I don't have independent confirmation of these facts of the case, but assuming the court got the facts right, I find no fault in the 9/22/16 opinion in which Eramo is found to be a Limited-Purpose Public Figure.Replies: @D. K., @D. K.
P.S. “Rolling Stone” originally published its now-infamous article internationally, via the Internet, and then republished it nationally (and, I assume, beyond, whether or not worldwide), in its print edition. The alleged libel– now confirmed by a jury’s verdict, despite the judge’s ruling that Dean Eramo already was a public figure, prior to the initial publication of the “Rolling Stone” article, on the Internet– therefore was made to an international audience, and then made again to (at least) a national audience, which would seem to me to make Dean Eramo’s local appearances in public, within the purview of her office, on the (much-broader) issue of sexual assaults on the University of Virginia campus, insufficient to have made her a “public figure” vis-a-vis the intended– and actual– audiences to which “Rolling Stone” had directed its published article!?!