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A press release from the U. of Cambridge:

‘Wild West’ mentality lingers in US mountain regions

Distinct psychological mix associated with mountain populations is consistent with the theory that harsh frontiers attracted certain personalities.

Friedrich Götz

When historian Frederick Jackson Turner presented his famous thesis on the US frontier in 1893, he described the “coarseness and strength combined with acuteness and acquisitiveness” it had forged in the American character.

Now, well into the 21st century, and researchers led by the University of Cambridge have detected remnants of the pioneer personality in US populations of once inhospitable mountainous territory, particularly in the West.

A team of scientists algorithmically investigated how landscape shapes psychology. They analysed links between the anonymised results of an online personality test completed by over 3.3 million Americans, and the “topography” of 37,227 US postal – or ZIP – codes.

The researchers found that living at both a higher altitude and an elevation relative to the surrounding region – indicating “hilliness” – is associated with a distinct blend of personality traits that fits with “frontier settlement theory”.

“The harsh and remote environment of mountainous frontier regions historically attracted nonconformist settlers strongly motivated by a sense of freedom,” said researcher Friedrich Götz, from Cambridge’s Department of Psychology.

“Such rugged terrain likely favoured those who closely guarded their resources and distrusted strangers, as well as those who engaged in risky explorations to secure food and territory.”

“These traits may have distilled over time into an individualism characterised by toughness and self-reliance that lies at the heart of the American frontier ethos” said Götz, lead author of the study.

“When we look at personality across the whole United States, we find that mountainous residents are more likely to have psychological characteristics indicative of this frontier mentality.”

The research uses the “Big Five” personality model, standard in social psychology, with simple online tests providing high-to-low scores for five fundamental personality traits of millions of Americans.

The mix of characteristics uncovered by study’s authors consists of low levels of “agreeableness”, suggesting mountainous residents are less trusting and forgiving – traits that benefit “territorial, self-focused survival strategies”.

Low levels of “extraversion” reflect the introverted self-reliance required to thrive in secluded areas, and a low level of “conscientiousness” lends itself to rebelliousness and indifference to rules, say researchers.

“Neuroticism” is also lower, suggesting an emotional stability and assertiveness suited to frontier living. However, “openness to experience” is much higher, and the most pronounced personality trait in mountain dwellers.

“Openness is a strong predictor of residential mobility,” said Götz. “A willingness to move your life in pursuit of goals such as economic affluence and personal freedom drove many original North American frontier settlers.”

 
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  1. The big five personality model was a product of federal military funded research. Every single one of those traits has a right pole and a wrong pole for properly compliant citizens. If you question this you may not have the mandated minimum of agreeableness.

    Science!

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    , @Kratoklastes
  2. Anon[207] • Disclaimer says:

    I’d like to see a serious, non-tendentious study of average Five Factor values of various American races, ethnic groups, and subsets thereof. For instance, blacks might be extroverts, not conscientious, not agreeable, not open to new experiences, and … not sure where emotional stability/neuroticism would fall.

    Five Factor plus IQ should lead to the result that maybe blacks shouldn’t be proportional in higher ed, plus blacks shouldn’t live in the same neighborhoods as whites and Asians.

    • Replies: @SFG
    , @jamie b.
    , @Not Raul
    , @res
  3. anon[132] • Disclaimer says:

    Mountains are a great place to hide a still.
    Mountains are a great place to stage an ambush.
    Mountains are a bad place to farm, so not many people live there, making them a great place to get away from people.
    Mountains make you feel small, so when you stand on top of one you feel big.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  4. utu says:

    “Openness is a strong predictor of residential mobility” – But this not result of “hilliness”. 53% of Colorado residents are not native born. Most of them came from state w/o much “hilliness”. The native Coloradans did not go anywhere. “Hilliness’ is opposite to “openness”. Look at Switzerland valleys where they speak different dialects and even eat different foods.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  5. Anon[279] • Disclaimer says:

    So being the descendants of Gold Rush greedheads is responsible for why most Californians keep trying to vote themselves rich at someone else’s expense.

  6. black sea says:
    @black sea

    Please note that the URL I provided takes you to the second page of the article. At the bottom of the page you can click back to page one.

  7. 128 says:
    @black sea

    Well the Romans conquered the Welsh and the tribes residing in the Alps right?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @Muggles
  8. Maybe they just want to be left alone.

  9. George says:

    How ‘Wild’ was the Wild West (Short Animated Documentary)

  10. Neoconned says:
    @Morton's toes

    I recall Steve referring to moumtain people in the Caucasus Mountains as “cantankerous”

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  11. @anon

    Mountains are a great place to hide a still.
    Mountains are a great place to stage an ambush.
    Mountains are a bad place to farm, so not many people live there, making them a great place to get away from people.
    Mountains make you feel small, so when you stand on top of one you feel big.

    Mountains are shitty territory. They are the ecological margins. They are a place where good people can escape from the bad people. E.O. Wilson tells us that “social insects control the center of the land environment, while solitary insects predominate in the margins.”

    Well, it’s the same with people. And the “social” people are parasites who feed on the “solitary” people.

  12. The Swiss feel that way at times – a little backward, but quite secure of their lives and country nonetheless.
    Schiller wrote them a play about their national founding myth – Wilhelm Tell – an earthbound and rebellious character. Schiller shows that it produces lots of tension in the people in the mountains to live up to universal ideals, but in the end they know better than their gentry how to make them productive and thus – free themselves.

  13. Yet another example of the obvious being confirmed by a study.

  14. @ben tillman


    Strange this place hasn’t been cancelled…or demolished…

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    , @TWS
  15. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    Mountains are shitty territory. They are the ecological margins. They are a place where good people can escape from the bad people. E.O. Wilson tells us that “social insects control the center of the land environment, while solitary insects predominate in the margins.”

    Well, it’s the same with people. And the “social” people are parasites who feed on the “solitary” people.

    Historically, it’s the people on the ecological margins who become what William McNeill calls “macroparasites” and feed on the people in the center. They come down from mountains and other marginal areas to raid the center and or set themselves up as rulers to feed on the tax base of the center.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer, AndrewR
    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
  16. Bert says:
    @ben tillman

    You nailed the two crucial distinctions between the people who keep society functioning and those who sap its energies. Put in functional terms the distinctions are: is a person highly social, and is a person eager to be unfair.

  17. …researcher Friedrich Götz, from Cambridge’s Department of Psychology.

    Cambridgeshire is not Upper Franconia:

    Surname map of Götz

  18. Anonymous[214] • Disclaimer says:

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  19. Montani semper liberi = Mountainfolk are always free. It’s our motto here in West Virginia,

  20. Imagine that! People in the Wild West living as if they’re in the Wild West. Would love to parachute the researcher into bear country unarmed and see how that works for him.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    , @Alden
  21. Viktar says:

    Albion’s Seed (see its review on SlateStarCodex) already pointed that out, with an added causal factor : when Borderers arrived in America, the civilized people already there dealt with that new immigration by giving them the shitty, hilly lands… Where they thrived!

    …But that review was my gateway into HBD, so it should be kept unspoken.

  22. AndrewR says:
    @The Alarmist

    What is wrong with you? The study is objective and utterly unoffensive in tone, yet you seem to think he deserves to be killed by bears. The aggressive abrasiveness of commenters on this site never ceases to astound me.

    • Agree: jamie b., SFG
  23. SFG says:
    @Anon

    Inductivist did this a while ago, but after searching on his site I can’t find the results now. It had average agreeableness results for Italians, etc.

  24. donut says:

    ” U. of Cambridge” What kind of effete arrogant f**k might be conceited enough to presume he has the psychology of man figured out ? “harsh frontiers attracted certain personalities.” Maybe those certain personalities weren’t attracted to the “harsh frontiers” but were repelled by the noxious atmosphere of the settled life . They did after all blaze a trail across
    a continent .

    On a different subject . My friend Bill from NJ , a big solid square head , a real tamed Viking. His parents were from Iceland . We sailed together on the Neptune , a cable repair ship . Blood money , hardest work I’ve ever done but good pay . Anyway Bill right ? Bill was a charmer , once in rural VA. he in his 3/4 length leather coat with his Jersey accent charmed his way out of a a ticket for 65 in a 30 zone at 2:30 in the AM . Bill could bullshit but he wasn’t a bullshitter you feel me ? But Bill’s most attractive and genuine quality was his generosity , what he had in his pocket made no difference he gave what ever he had to his shipmates , not just his friends but his shipmates . Now my natural and unattractive inclination is to be grasping and greedy but my pal’s example inspired me to try to be generous as well . Now since it doesn’t come naturally to me I might over do it some times but I’ve never regretted the unnatural generosity that my pal inspired in me . And every time That I am generous with no thought profit to myself I give thanks to my pal .

    Now about Ronnie G. Same ship . Ron was from Harlem . Ronnie was one of the most positive people I’ve ever known . Ron dealt with everyone from the whores in the Combat Zone to whoever with the same sincere warmth and open smile , man everybody that Ron encountered beamed back at him . Ron’s magic I could never emulate , it was beyond me and my natural surly nature . Don’t get me wrong , Ron was a Black man from Harlem , he was no body’s fool , but how can I say it ? He could have had the world at his command but didn’t care to . But oh god , what a shame that that Tragic Magic brought him to a sad end , as it did a few other better men than me . RIP Al S.
    “I know I can like any man reach out and touch the face of God .”

    • Replies: @donut
  25. Yes, there are bears out here in the mountain west…

    But you really have to look out for the Sasquatch.

    I have a buddy who knows where they live!

  26. AndrewR says:
    @utu

    This is a bizarre comment. Native Coloradans are descended from people who weren’t content with flatland life, AKA people who were probably higher than average in openness to experience. And I don’t know the exact numbers but, given that CO’s human population has increased by 15,000%(!!!) in the last 150 years (yes: from under 40,000 to almost 6,000,000), 600% in the last 100 years and almost 300% in the last 50 years, I am willing to bet that most native Coloradans have at least one parent born outside the state (both parents in the case of my native Coloradan sister-in-law and my native Coloradan cousin). Once we get into grandparents and great-grandparents we rapidly approach a 100% probability of having a non-native ancestor. And as the author said, small average individual differences can scale into major differences on the societal level compared to other regions.

    As for the Swiss valley towns, those people have been there for centuries. That’s a very different situation from Colorado where almost no one has deep roots.

    • Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost
  27. @Anon

    But when you have a more cerebral “gold rush” ie The oil boom in 1903 Beaumont and Houston you get a meritocratic imbued progeny. You get the concomitant bimodal IQ distribution in the men with the lower peak taking roughneck jobs and the upper peak becoming petroleum engineers, reservoir engineers, management, associated legal, and entrepreneurs like the White, ex Texas tech football players who made over $200 million in the midland Odessa frac boom.

  28. tyrone says:

    And to think ,they got all that just studying grannie on the Beverly hill billies……..cutting edge stuff ……the kind of knowledge mankind really needs right now. I wonder if Friedrich ever gets the Basil Fawlty treatment in the UK these days.

  29. @128

    “Well the Romans conquered the Welsh and the tribes residing in the Alps right?”

    Remember the Welsh (i.e. Ancient Britons, the title “Welsh” comes from the Saxon Serpent) had the whole of what’s now England as well, and were beaten by Rome. While they duffed up the Druids in Anglesey, they pretty much left the “mountain Welsh” alone, as they did the mountain Scots. But they always had military superiority and could occupy mountain areas if they wished, like the gold mines at Dolocauthi in West Wales.

    Romans were a pretty impressive bunch. You can still find their roads on lonely Yorkshire moors, beautifully constructed if a bit battered now.

  30. Good to see some greater refinement in this fascinating area of study that took on early expression on the domestic front with the observation that everything loosely rooted tends to roll out to California.

  31. Barnard says:

    What percentage of the current residents of the Rockies are descended from Wild West settlers? It has to be pretty low given migration patterns within the U.S.

  32. I used to roll my eyes just a bit at the flinty comments from Z Blog readers who were busy “prepping” up on “the ridgeline.” Guy is from Baltimore and all of his readers seem to be holed up in some heavily fortified mountainous redoubt. But 2020 is proving they may have a point.

  33. Nature vs. Nurture, that’s one of your biggest interests, Steve. You didn’t have anything to say on this one. WRT the United States, we know the ancestors of people dwelling in mountainous regions, even more so in the West, haven’t lived there very long, if at all.

    The book Albion’s Seed that I read about 20 years back discusses the Scotch-Irish as one of the 4 basic British Isle “folkways” or what-have-you that settled this land in the colonial years and beyond. Being highland people, most of them moved to the highland areas of America, meaning, at the time, the Appalachian range, very-NE Georgia, very NW S. Carolina, western N. Carolina, the Cumberland Plateau, etc, through Penn, though I don’t know if all the way up through New Hampshire.

    There’s no doubt that hillbillies have the traits that are described in you excerpt, though the “flavors” of different regions are all being homogenized now in this Big-Corporate-run, “diversified” America. It was in their nature, in the past, though, not the “nurturing” of living in the mountains alone. Due to that nature, it was natural to want to be left alone, and the mountains are a good spot for that.

    The mountain West was, and still is in parts, so sparsely populated, that I ‘m not sure if you can come up with a good category for their ancestors, and then there are the new arrivals, come to get away from it all, many to get away from the problems in California and such and then to complain why things are not like they were back home.

    If you want to study nature vs. nurture regarding mountain people, it’d suggest looking at China* and the Chinese people. Other than in the huge cities where a big proportion of the people live, the rest of the place is almost nothing BUT mountains. China is a nation of mountain people. They don’t seem too cantankerous though. Confucius was all about NOT being cantankerous, and the modern Chinese have personalities that are pretty much the opposite of what you’d expect from hillbillies. They look down on hillbillies and that kind of behavior, a very unfortunate trait of the Chinese.

    .

    * Don’t believe me, go look at a map of the place, and I’m not even counting Tibet or Xinjiang. Better yet, find large-scale topo maps of some areas. These aren’t West Virginia-like mountains. In WV, there is no straight road to anywhere, as in China, but in China the slopes seem to be damn near double. (You can’t walk up them, is usually the case in W.Va and Kentucky.)

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @MEH 0910
  34. Anon[357] • Disclaimer says:

    This …

    http://inductivist.blogspot.com/2009/09/race-and-big-five.html

    … maybe?

    The results are not what I would expect. He used the GSS, which really doesn’t ask enough questions to produce reliable results (as Inductivist himself admits), and I suspect that the sample of blacks may be small and not representative.

  35. Pure romanticism. It may be that people who went to those areas 150-200 years ago were “rugged individuals”, but now..

    I think those states have higher suicide rates per capita; also, many, way too many people have moved to those places later & changed the cultural-psychological phenotype.

  36. @Mr McKenna

    Do you think the NSA has a record of every visitor ever? Some manager somewhere sometime along the line must have concluded only thought criminals would want to look at such a relic. They might have a list of everybody who has ever downloaded the image.

  37. jamie b. says:
    @Anon

    …not agreeable…

    My experience is that blacks tend to be very conformist, especially when in large groups. Consensus within the in-group seems to be very important for them.

  38. Not Raul says:
    @Anon

    This is the Word Cloud of people who score the lowest on neuroticism. It seems to indicate an over abundance of members of a particular racial group.

    • Replies: @SFG
  39. anon[297] • Disclaimer says:

    A team of scientists algorithmically investigated how landscape shapes psychology.

    Isn’t that a form of CrimeThink? How can that be allowed in a university?

    anon
    So being the descendants of Gold Rush greedheads is responsible for why most Californians keep trying to vote themselves rich at someone else’s expense.

    Lol, no.
    Most Californians aren’t descended from 49’rs and don’t live in the mountains.

    smh @ the ignorance of HBD in the commenters. Just smh.

  40. Alden says:
    @The Alarmist

    Parachute him into mountainous suburbs near big cities. Primitive roads, having to hit the horn before every curve because of kids dogs deer often trucks that occupy 3/4 of the road that has no shoulders. Then vicious packs of 50 pound raccoons attacking dogs and invading the house and strewing garbage about. I like coyotes because they get rid of the raccoons and rats. The occasional mountain lion and bobcat Canyons the kids like to play in full of rattle snakes. Neighbors who let their dogs run free all day and night to knock over garbage cans, little kids having to fight their way through packs of dogs to walk on the road That’s just the wildlife.

    Then there’s the mudslides, waterfalls pouring down the hills into your house during rainy season, endless home repairs due to the house being built hanging off a Cliff snowed in in long winters, not being able to see the edge of the road because of brush, and going off the road because you can’t see it’s not s shoulder but the edge of a cliff hidden by brush sump pumps sump pumps sump pumps sewer lines clogged with tree roots universal most minimum basic building codes well water, propane tanks that explode during the annual forest fires.

    Even in cities or nearby suburbs living in mountains and hills is a lot different from living in the flats.

    The average English pseudo intellectual wouldn’t be able to cope with the hilly suburbs of San Francisco let alone real mountains, especially in snow country. chains snow plows bags of sand , shovels those mats if you get stuck in snow, blankets in the trunk just in case worrying if someone’s late in snow storms electricity and even heat out at least once every winter.

    Or why I prefer city living, although I can cope with mountains.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @MBlanc46
  41. res says:
    @Anon

    Not sure if this is close enough to what you are looking for (countries, not American groups), but based on SFG’s comment I found this.
    https://inductivist.blogspot.com/2006/08/atheism-rises-with-economic.html

    Which has a comment linking to this paper.
    Personality profiles of cultures: aggregate personality traits
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7517367_Personality_Profiles_of_Cultures_Aggregate_Personality_Traits
    http://www.psych.ut.ee/~jyri/en/JPSP2005-51-cultures.pdf

    Figure 2 gives an interesting graphical look at the data.

    This post from Jayman is also of interest.
    https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2014/05/21/more-maps-of-the-american-nations/

    Those graphics come from:
    Divided We Stand: Three Psychological Regions of the United States and Their Political, Economic, Social, and Health Correlates
    https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/psp-a0034434.pdf

    Jayman also references
    A Theory of the Emergence, Persistence, and Expression of Geographic Variation in Psychological Characteristics
    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.180.5626&rep=rep1&type=pdf

    Table 1 has state rankings and z-scores for each trait. Using z-scores emphasizes what are probably relatively small differences. I do not see the raw data, but footnote 3 says: “3 Raw means and standard deviations for each state and factor are available on request.”

    Figures 2-6 are maps showing the variation by state for each trait.

    For racial differences this meta analysis looks useful.
    Group differences in personality: Meta-analyses comparing five U.S. racial groups
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/227628775_Group_differences_in_personality_Meta-analyses_comparing_five_US_racial_groups

    Table 2 has a summary of the differences. The mean d’s are in the range -0.39 – 0.17 (positive means B > W) so much smaller than the IQ differences. I find some of the results non-intuitive (e.g. blacks less extraverted and more conscientious?!).

  42. Anon7 says:

    “However, “openness to experience” is much higher, and the most pronounced personality trait in mountain dwellers.”

    Interestingly, openness to experience is also the trait that is most correlated with IQ over 130.

  43. @AndrewR

    Migration patterns in the US traditionally ran East to West without much north south difference, unless geography intervened. Thus Pennsylvanians went to Ohio, Virginians to Kentucky, Carolinians to Alabama, etc. Border states such as Kentucky or Illinois could get messy when the migration lines from the East blurred.

    In Colorado the “natives” parents were therefore often from Kansas, Nebraska, and Iowa. Time and again I heard those states. Sometimes you had Wyoming ranchers who gave up and migrated south.

    But the last couple generations now include what used to be called Yuppies. Urban types who like to ski. California is the big example, but also a lot of New Englanders whose mountains suck if you want long runs and good powder. So you have old school Yankees in Colorado as tbe Old West against the urban elite as New West. At least that’s the general trend.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  44. @Alden

    Last time I saw a coyote was on a road through Topanga, so I hear you, but a couple years ago I saw a fox literally trotting down one of the sidestreets off of Fenchurch Street in central London around 10pm, so the cities get their share of wildlife.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Alden
  45. @AndrewR

    I guess I didn’t pick up any agreeableness when I moved to the flat-lands. Probably why I feel best when in the Alps nowadays.

  46. MEH 0910 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Albion’s Seed: Four British Folkways in America:

    BORDERLANDS TO THE BACKCOUNTRY

    [MORE]

    The Flight from North Britain, 1717-1775

    Motives for Migration

    Social Origins: Poverty and Pride

    Religious Origins: Militant Christianity

    Ethnic Origins: “We Are a Mixed People”

    The Borders of North Britain

    The American Backcountry

    Border Names for the New Land

    The Backcountry “Ascendancy”: Border Origins of an American Elite

    The Colonial Mood: Anxiety and Insecurity in the Back Settlements

    Backcountry Speech Ways: Border Origins of Southern Highland Speech

    Backcountry Building Ways: Border Origins of Cabin and Cowpen

    Backcountry Family Ways: Border Ideas of Clan and Kin

    Backcountry Marriage Ways: Border Origins of Bridal Customs

    Backcountry Gender Ways: Border Rituals of Love and Violence

    Backcountry Sex Ways: The Border Celebration of Sensuality

    Backcountry Child-naming Ways: Border Onomastics

    Backcountry Child-rearing Ways: Building the Will

    Backcountry Age Ways: The Border Idea of the Elder-Thane

    Backcountry Death Ways: The Border Idea of Nescient Fatalism

    Backcountry Religious Ways: The North British Field-Meeting Style

    Backcountry Magic Ways: The Border Obsession with Sorcery

    Backcountry Literacy

    Backcountry Learning Ways: North British Rituals of Schooling

    Backcountry Food Ways: North British Origins of Southern Highland Cooking

    Backcountry Dress Ways: Border Origins of Country Western Costume

    Backcountry Sport Ways: North British Origins of Southern Highland Games

    Backcountry Work Ways: Border Attitudes toward War and Work

    Backcountry Time Ways: The Border Idea of “Passing the Time”

    Backcountry Wealth Ways: Border Ideas of the Material Order

    Backcountry Rank Ways: A System of Stratification Without Orders

    The Backcountry Comity: Patterns of Migration, Settlement, and Association

    Backcountry Order Ways: The Border Idea of Order as Lex Talionis

    Backcountry Power Ways: The Politics of Personal Government

    Backcountry Freedom Ways: The Border Idea of Natural Liberty

  47. MEH 0910 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Being highland people, most of them moved to the highland areas of America, meaning, at the time, the Appalachian range, very-NE Georgia, very NW S. Carolina, western N. Carolina, the Cumberland Plateau, etc, through Penn, though I don’t know if all the way up through New Hampshire.

    https://erenow.net/common/fourbritishfolkwaysinamerica1989/109.php

  48. Muggles says:
    @128

    Well the Romans conquered the Welsh and the tribes residing in the Alps right?

    I don’t think the Romans conquered the Swiss tribes. They subdued them enough to travel through their territory without constant battle. But many of the tribal Swiss were high up in remote areas where Romans had no need or wish to go.

    Where it is more open along the larger lakes the Romans did have settlements and did trading, etc.

    It was nearly impossible go actually go “through” Switzerland (Hannibal excepted) so there wasn’t much reason to visit other than on the periphery. Invading barbarians usually went either north or south of the Alps, so the Romans did want to have outposts/settlements near those transit routes.

    The hills and mountains in Wales are nothing like the Alps. Plus, recall that we see a lot of modern maps of the “Roman Empire” colored in, but in reality there were a lot of internal areas of that where the actual Romans rarely went, if ever.

    While military defeats are said to have ended Roman expansion, which is true, more important was that at the northern borders (and eastern/southern) there wasn’t much to steal and the natives were too hard to capture as slaves. No sense in wasting effort to gain a few barbarians and their paltry livestock.

  49. AndrewR says:
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    Yes, my sister-in-law’s father was from Kansas. He married a girl from Chicago. I’m not really sure why either of them moved to Colorado. IIRC, my nieces’ grandma visited with a girlfriend in the early ’60s and fell in love with the region. I was never curious about their reasons for migrating because Denver is a city whose appeal is quite obvious. I personally don’t care too much for it because I have a strong desire to never drive on snowy mountains and hills, but I understand I am an outlier in this way, as I am in so many ways.

    Anyway, I highly, highly doubt that New England skiers with pretty picky powder preferences make up anything approaching a significant number of CO residents. Perhaps they’re highly represented in [non-primary] home ownership near the mountain resorts, but I’m very confident they’re not even worth mentioning in terms of demographic changes.

  50. Muggles says:
    @AndrewR

    The aggressive abrasiveness of commenters on this site never ceases to astound me

    .

    New to the Internet are you?

    Sailer’s commentators here are pussycats compared to most. Considering the usually abrasive and pointed subject matter iSteve dredges up, we are mostly peaceful.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  51. AndrewR says:
    @Muggles

    I was on the internet before your daddy’s balls dropped. I will never give up my high standards of propriety.

  52. anon[287] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    … a hairy handed gent who ran amok in Kent and lately he’s been seen in Mayfair … ”
    Warren Zevon and his band obviously relished the great fun in Zevon’s lyrics

  53. @Morton's toes

    Regardless of who funded it, the ‘big 5’ drivel was shat into being by charlatans whose idea of ‘science’ is writing down a checklist and having a panel of bullshitters declare it authoritative.

    People have got to stop treating the output of charlatans as if it has any empirical validity or practical relevance. Their shit doesn’t validate or replicate: it’s not science.

    They’re just making shit up, so it’s best to treat their claims as roughly the same as horoscopes or homeopathy.

    “Big 5”, Briggs-Myer and all the rest, are as relevant and useful as getting your fortune told by a carnival gypsy.

    That’s because they use the same method: babble in generalities that are present in all people to varying extents, and rely on the fact that anyone who goes to them is already gullible.

    Speaking of horoscopes: ‘star signs’ are more uniformly distributed in temperate regions, than they are in places that have greater peak differences in seasonal temperatures. That’s pretty easy to explain: births in a sub-zero winter are a recipe for high infant mortality: all animals try to avoid it, so they tend to have mating cycles where autmn/winter is a time for fucking, not giving birth.

    An enterprising huckster would instead claim that it’s because parents of Aquarians have [Northern Winter] characteristics, while parents of Cancers have [Northern Summer] characteristics… where each [] contains a grab-bag of drivel that applies to pretty much everyone.

    Of course I would be expected to say that… given that I am, without doubt, an INTJ Aquarius with high disagreeableness, hazel eyes, a right-oriented cowlick and a misshapen nail on my right pinkie-toe. Ask any psychosophaster.

  54. @Anonymous

    The mountain sheep are sweeter
    But the valley sheep are fatter
    We therefore deemed it meeter
    To carry off the latter.

    Thomas Love Peacock

  55. SFG says:
    @Not Raul

    Those are funny. The opposite, high neuroticism, is all people complaining (the biggest word is ‘fucking’, followed by ‘sick_of’ and ‘I_hate’) and plenty of profanity.

    The biggest extrovert word is (haha!) ‘party’, followed by ‘cant_wait’ and ‘hit_me_up’. Introvert word? ‘Anime’…and the runners-up are ‘internet’ and ‘manga’ and ‘xD’.

    High conscientiousness? ‘ready_for’, ‘blessed’, ‘great_day’, ‘to_work’. Low? ‘fuck’, ‘fucking’, and ‘xD’. Oh, and ‘pokemon’ and ‘anime’.

    High agreeableness? ‘amazing’, ‘wonderful’, and ‘blessed’ again, with lots of Christian stuff. Low? ‘fuck’, ‘fucking’, and ‘shit’. But now we add ‘bitch’, because men tend to have lower agreeableness.

    High openness? ‘universe’, ‘music’, ‘art’, and ‘writing’. Low? Lots of abbreviations, with ‘cant_wait’, ‘dont:(‘, ‘wat’, ‘ur’, and ‘u’. The IQ loading really comes out here.

    My takeaways?
    Agreeableness, lack of neuroticism, and conscientiousness seem to produce a lot of the same behavior.

    Openness loads on IQ.

    Nerds are introverts.

    And religion is good for you.

  56. MBlanc46 says:
    @AndrewR

    Yeah, we’re not very nice. Maybe you just don’t belong here.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @AndrewR
  57. MBlanc46 says:
    @Alden

    Fifty pound raccoons? Whilst I’ve never managed to induce any of our local bandits to climb on a scale, I’d be surprised if even our biggest males weigh in at more than twenty-five.

    • Replies: @Alden
  58. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:

    We need some commentary from you on this Steve to explain what its relevance might be.

  59. Not that it matters now, Steve, but I am a “Rocky Personality” who came of age in the Rocky Mountains, so I will clarify this for you:

    In the 1970s, the Rocky Mountain region experienced just one of its many “immigrations” of Americans from other places. I was one of those “immigrants.”

    How, though, can my rocky personality be attributed to my living in the Rocky Mountains from age twelve? There was some environmental influence, surely, but that has to be the limit of it, because I was born in the San Joaquin Valley of Califrornia and did not end up in the Rocky Mountains until age twelve.

    Those mountains will always be my homeland, no matter what else I do, but I cannot honestly attribute my characteristics to them — and not the genetically-caused ones at all.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  60. @Buzz Mohawk

    My vague impression is that where you live from roughly age 11 to 15 is the landscape you imprint on.

    It seems like the kind of topic that could be studied by academics.

    • Replies: @res
  61. anonymous[126] • Disclaimer says:

    “Openness is a strong predictor of residential mobility,” said Götz. “A willingness to move your life in pursuit of goals such as economic affluence and personal freedom drove many original North American frontier settlers.”

    This one doesn’t make sense to me. The generalization I have of backwoods places is that the people don’t have much curiosity to learn about stuff that doesn’t directly concern them. Curiosity is the most essential thing I associate with Big 5 openness.

  62. AndrewR says:
    @MBlanc46

    Being rude on unz.com is highly unlikely to bring the love into your life that you desperately need, but I would love to be proven wrong.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  63. res says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Interesting thought. Seems plausible from an optimal for survival during human evolution point of view.

  64. Alden says:
    @MBlanc46

    California has these real monster males in rural and even some suburban areas. They run in packs with the kits and females. Couple guys I know have shot the big ones weighed them 35-50 pounds. Lots of food warm weather they thrive in suburban vegetable gardens flower bulbs garbage cans cozy places to sleep and have their kits

    One pack tunneled up through the floor of a big RV and lived in for a few months till owner noticed the smell.

    Next door big 5 bedroom 2 story house just a couple living in it kids all grown. Heard a crash one day. Looked; 4 raccoon kits in the floor. They and mom had been living between floor and ceiling. Their pee soaked the sheet rock and it all tumbled down.

    Animal control refuses to do a thing. Won’t even come and get then if you capture them. Mostly animal lovers.

    Only cure for raccoons is coyotes. They can tear apart dogs. Run in nasty packs like you know who’s.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  65. Alden says:
    @The Alarmist

    I’m very near the big VA campus and cemetery It’s got several coyotes that roam around the neighborhood. They seem to have cleared out the rats and alley cats around her. I’ve seen then in Westwood at night

  66. MBlanc46 says:
    @Alden

    We’re going to be wintering in Southern California, so perhaps I’ll have a chance to see for myself.

  67. MBlanc46 says:
    @AndrewR

    I think that you misunderstand why many of us are here.

    • LOL: Charon
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