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I was just about to say that Ukraine having a National Anthem entitled “Ukraine Is Not Dead Yet” sounded very late 1970s punk, although I was thinking less The Clash and more Dee Dee Ramone.

Ukraine is not yet dead, nor its glory and freedom,
Luck will still smile on us brother-Ukrainians.
Our enemies will die, as the dew does in the sunshine,
and we, too, brothers, we’ll live happily in our land.

We’ll not spare either our souls or bodies to get freedom
and we’ll prove that we brothers are of Kozak kin.
(repeat previous two lines)

source: https://lyricsondemand.com/n/nationalanthemlyrics/ukrainenationalanthemlyrics.html

 
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  1. Insert the obligatory Monty Python joke here.

    Or, if you prefer, the Broadway version.

  2. Clearly derived from the much older and better known (especially in the neighborhood) national anthem of Poland, which was written after the Partitions of Poland and opens with “Poland is not yet lost, while we live.” The rest is about how Napoleon Bonaparte is going to, uh, actually that part didn’t happen. The same opening idea appears in Israel’s HaTikvah, but there the music is from a Moravian folktune. The music to the Ukrainian one is like the Polish one if it was a slow choral thing and not a punchy march, but also simpler.

  3. Ramones & Clash are crap, third rate music.

    Steve has an exquisite taste in classical/concert music, but when it comes to rock, pop, pop-rock….he’s simply horrible.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Bardon Kaldian

    "Ramones & Clash are crap, third rate music"

    No, the Ramones are good - or so bad they're good. How can you not like this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O9P5Us_eVo

    I agree that the Clash were a pretty pretentious bunch.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    , @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    @Bardon Kaldian

    "Ramones & Clash are crap, third rate music."

    Your comment above only shows that you have crap, third rate taste in music.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Ramones & Clash are crap, third rate music.
     
    Hmm... Sharif Bardon don't like it.



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sn67xyCKNfc
    , @thud
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Ramones...it doesn't get much better.

    , @jamie b.
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Agree about the Ramones, disagree about the Clash. The Clash was not great, but okay. It's when people indicate that they like rap 'music'... that is impossible for me to understand.

    , @Sam Malone
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I have to agree about not getting at all why people ever thought The Clash were so great. I've tried twice to listen to their entire discography and there were literally only four songs I enjoyed. All the rest were either a bore or painful to listen to all the way through. BUT, I really liked those songs: Clash City Rockers, White Riot, Police On My Back (not written by them), and Should I Stay or Should I Go.

    If the rest was anything like the quality of those four songs, I would get why people made a big deal about them. As it is, I have to wonder if their fashionable far-left politics and some you-had-to-be-there element were really covering a multitude of sins. Groups can become hugely popular for a time not quite for their songs themselves, but at least as much because their look, style, humor, ideology, etc, hit the right note for that moment with a large enough fraction of young people and taste-makers.

    As far as I'm concerned, the Sex Pistols did better stuff and more of it on their one and only album. And yes, The Ramones are fucking terrible, I'm sorry. But yeah, if I'd been 16 in 1978 or whatever, maybe they would have actually meant something to me and I'd still speak up for them (though their music would still be atrocious). Though I guess saying that only proves Steve's oft-made point of how guided we are in our tastes by what we liked when we were 12-22 years old.

    Replies: @BB753

  4. Activist Mayors started something with painting “Black Lives Matter” on streets.

    Now the gay mayor of Ottawa is thumbing his nose at Russia with ‘Free Ukraine’ signs.

    https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/ukrainians-fleeing-russian-invasion-are-welcome-in-ottawa-mayor-watson-says

    Municipalities are a great under-exploited platform for national level political messaging. Coming soon to a small town near you.

  5. God Save the Ukranian Queens ?

  6. Now that Trump is neutered, Fox “News” is back to its old jingoistic ways. Of course the situation now is much more serious than in 2003 or [insert year here when they were cheerleading for war]. Russia has nukes and they will take us down with them if they feel cornered.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/ukrainian-national-anthem-unites-world-russia-ukraine-war.amp

    Personally I don’t care if Ukes want to kill their “enemies” so much that they have adopted such a bloodthirsty national anthem. I do want to see peace in Ukraine but this is a brother war and it’s not my business if two brothers I’ve never met want to fight to the death. What really bothers me is when people in my own country – virtually none of whom have even a basic familiarity with Russian and Ukrainian culture[s?] and language[s?] get whipped up into a genocidal rage towards Russians when that could easily lead to nuclear war destroying my country.

    • Replies: @Half Canadian
    @AndrewR

    Scotland's closest excuse for a national anthem, Flower of Scotland, is basically about beating the English at Bannockburn.
    This replaced Scotland the Brave, whose lyrics are just about how awesome Scotland is.

  7. Dee Dee Ramone spoke fluent German, because his mom was German and he was raised there until age 14.

  8. Anonymous[238] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m surprised that Album cover hasn’t been cancelled, what with that black African tribesman caricature.

  9. The Ukrainian national anthem is basically just a riff on the Polish national anthem – “Jeszcze Polska nie zginela”, i.e. “Poland is not yet dead”.

    The Polish anthem is more martial and stirring, but I am biased.

    Off topic – but the kind of engineering detail Steve seems to like – an explanation of Russia’s tire problems in the Ukrainian mud.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Peter Akuleyev

    If it's important, don't buy cheap Chinese knockoffs.

    https://theweek.com/russia/1010863/formula-1-says-there-wont-be-races-in-russia-amid-ukraine-invasion

    , @S Johnson
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Also known as “Dombrowsky’s Mazurka”. True story: the Dombrowsky/Dabrowski of the lyrics is a direct ancestor of my wife.

    Here’s Putin knocking out a pretty good rendition on the piano:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IY2Mc2O9azM

    , @J.Ross
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Comment moderation at its finest.

  10. @Peter Akuleyev
    The Ukrainian national anthem is basically just a riff on the Polish national anthem - "Jeszcze Polska nie zginela", i.e. "Poland is not yet dead".

    The Polish anthem is more martial and stirring, but I am biased.

    Off topic - but the kind of engineering detail Steve seems to like - an explanation of Russia's tire problems in the Ukrainian mud.

    https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1499164245250002944?s=20&t=WH5cy6xxcKmERfQuidTF3g

    Replies: @Brutusale, @S Johnson, @J.Ross

  11. @Peter Akuleyev
    The Ukrainian national anthem is basically just a riff on the Polish national anthem - "Jeszcze Polska nie zginela", i.e. "Poland is not yet dead".

    The Polish anthem is more martial and stirring, but I am biased.

    Off topic - but the kind of engineering detail Steve seems to like - an explanation of Russia's tire problems in the Ukrainian mud.

    https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1499164245250002944?s=20&t=WH5cy6xxcKmERfQuidTF3g

    Replies: @Brutusale, @S Johnson, @J.Ross

    Also known as “Dombrowsky’s Mazurka”. True story: the Dombrowsky/Dabrowski of the lyrics is a direct ancestor of my wife.

    Here’s Putin knocking out a pretty good rendition on the piano:

  12. Ukraine is not yet dead, nor its glory and freedom,

    Sounds like the Polish National Anthem:

    https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/periods-genres/national-anthems/lyrics-poland-mazurek-dbrowskiego-english-translation/

    Poland has not yet perished,
    So long as we still live.
    What the foreign force has taken from us,
    We shall with sabre retrieve.

    It largely brags about them fighting in Napoleon’s imperial service.

  13. @Peter Akuleyev
    The Ukrainian national anthem is basically just a riff on the Polish national anthem - "Jeszcze Polska nie zginela", i.e. "Poland is not yet dead".

    The Polish anthem is more martial and stirring, but I am biased.

    Off topic - but the kind of engineering detail Steve seems to like - an explanation of Russia's tire problems in the Ukrainian mud.

    https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1499164245250002944?s=20&t=WH5cy6xxcKmERfQuidTF3g

    Replies: @Brutusale, @S Johnson, @J.Ross

    Comment moderation at its finest.

  14. The government should be prohibited from having anything to do with rocket fuel. Separate stage and state!

  15. I went to the Wikipedia talk page (the backend housekeeping page where the moderators and editors duke it out to decide what information is worthy to be included on the page) for the national anthem https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Shche_ne_vmerla_Ukrainy_i_slava,_i_volia#Why%3F and in the subcategory titled “why?” the moderators have been discussing changing the name to the transliterated title since 2006. Their discussion is pasted below:

    The majority of national anthems on Wikipedia do not appear to translate their name into an English version, but rather transliterate it. Is this anthem commonly published in translation, or referred by a translated name in published journals? I can only spot the translation given after the actual name of the anthem on other websites. Also, the translations I’ve spotted are not uniform with regards to what is the proper translation. I mention this not to change the translation, but to point out that with different translations available, I would assume that the most name for this anthem on the web would be its Ukrainian name.–tufkaa 17:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

    I agree that this should be moved… —dima/s-ko/ 22:50, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

    I will move this article to Shche ne vmerla Ukrainy as most national anthems have their native name as the title as stated above by Tufkaa. Just doing so there won’t be any conflicts. —dmytro/s-ko/ 18:59, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

    Seems like a logical step. Actually, where this English text is coming from? I don’t want to fall into copyright paranoia, but back in 2003, when this wikipage was created, and ever since, it seems like the English text literally corresponds to [1]. –KPbIC 01:24, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

    Will move right now. —dima/s-ko/ 02:14, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

  16. As I’ve mentioned before, Mystery Science Theater episode 616, Ed Wood’s Racket Girls, has a sequence at the very end where as the cops chase the bad guys, Ed uses some stirring martial music from somewhere, which leads the guys to suggest it’s the Ukrainian national anthem, prompting a rousing sing along:

    Hail Ukraina! My bitter homeland!
    Your strip mines, your big reactors!
    Ukrainia, Ukrainia, Ukrainia!

    Here, around 1:26:30

    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
    @James J O'Meara

    Speaking of big reactors:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-tumble-report-ukraine-nuclear-power-plant-europes-largest-fire-after-shelling

  17. @Bardon Kaldian
    Ramones & Clash are crap, third rate music.

    Steve has an exquisite taste in classical/concert music, but when it comes to rock, pop, pop-rock....he's simply horrible.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @Reg Cæsar, @thud, @jamie b., @Sam Malone

    “Ramones & Clash are crap, third rate music”

    No, the Ramones are good – or so bad they’re good. How can you not like this?

    I agree that the Clash were a pretty pretentious bunch.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I may like this song, but you have to admit their opus is narrow and somehow "all the same". This is a rebel-without-cause infantile rock.

    Clash is noise, nothing more.

    Another association, having nothing to do with rock: this stuff is nothing "deep". It's just a pretentious sound masturbation:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylXk1LBvIqU

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  18. @AndrewR
    Now that Trump is neutered, Fox "News" is back to its old jingoistic ways. Of course the situation now is much more serious than in 2003 or [insert year here when they were cheerleading for war]. Russia has nukes and they will take us down with them if they feel cornered.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/ukrainian-national-anthem-unites-world-russia-ukraine-war.amp

    Personally I don't care if Ukes want to kill their "enemies" so much that they have adopted such a bloodthirsty national anthem. I do want to see peace in Ukraine but this is a brother war and it's not my business if two brothers I've never met want to fight to the death. What really bothers me is when people in my own country - virtually none of whom have even a basic familiarity with Russian and Ukrainian culture[s?] and language[s?] get whipped up into a genocidal rage towards Russians when that could easily lead to nuclear war destroying my country.

    Replies: @Half Canadian

    Scotland’s closest excuse for a national anthem, Flower of Scotland, is basically about beating the English at Bannockburn.
    This replaced Scotland the Brave, whose lyrics are just about how awesome Scotland is.

  19. @Bardon Kaldian
    Ramones & Clash are crap, third rate music.

    Steve has an exquisite taste in classical/concert music, but when it comes to rock, pop, pop-rock....he's simply horrible.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @Reg Cæsar, @thud, @jamie b., @Sam Malone

    “Ramones & Clash are crap, third rate music.”

    Your comment above only shows that you have crap, third rate taste in music.

  20. @Bardon Kaldian
    Ramones & Clash are crap, third rate music.

    Steve has an exquisite taste in classical/concert music, but when it comes to rock, pop, pop-rock....he's simply horrible.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @Reg Cæsar, @thud, @jamie b., @Sam Malone

    Ramones & Clash are crap, third rate music.

    Hmm… Sharif Bardon don’t like it.

  21. @Bardon Kaldian
    Ramones & Clash are crap, third rate music.

    Steve has an exquisite taste in classical/concert music, but when it comes to rock, pop, pop-rock....he's simply horrible.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @Reg Cæsar, @thud, @jamie b., @Sam Malone

    Ramones…it doesn’t get much better.

  22. @James J O'Meara
    As I've mentioned before, Mystery Science Theater episode 616, Ed Wood's Racket Girls, has a sequence at the very end where as the cops chase the bad guys, Ed uses some stirring martial music from somewhere, which leads the guys to suggest it's the Ukrainian national anthem, prompting a rousing sing along:

    Hail Ukraina! My bitter homeland!
    Your strip mines, your big reactors!
    Ukrainia, Ukrainia, Ukrainia!

    Here, around 1:26:30

    Replies: @James J O'Meara

  23. @Bardon Kaldian
    Ramones & Clash are crap, third rate music.

    Steve has an exquisite taste in classical/concert music, but when it comes to rock, pop, pop-rock....he's simply horrible.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @Reg Cæsar, @thud, @jamie b., @Sam Malone

    Agree about the Ramones, disagree about the Clash. The Clash was not great, but okay. It’s when people indicate that they like rap ‘music’… that is impossible for me to understand.

  24. This is mislabeled for America; we should have red and green stripes:


    This might be the best road to take:

    Hat tip for the second to the Estonian kid who curates maps on his Zimbax channel. Well worth spending a few minutes a week there.

    [MORE]



    Xangai = Shanghai


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECgnBkCXUAUFP30?format=jpg&name=large

    Is brown really the best color choice for the streets of San Francisco?

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Reg Cæsar

    Best national anthem lyric I believe (if I'm not mistaken) is a line from the Dutch National Anthem:

    "I have always been loyal to the King of Spain."

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @nokangaroos
    @Reg Cæsar

    Germany would be the only country where singing the national anthem
    (more exactly the first stanza, enumerating the borders) lands you in prison.

  25. …Ukraine having a National Anthem entitled “Ukraine Is Not Dead Yet” sounded very late 1970s punk, although I was thinking less The Clash and more Dee Dee Ramone.

    Nah. Debbie Reynolds:

  26. @Reg Cæsar
    This is mislabeled for America; we should have red and green stripes:


    http://www.allmysportsteamssuck.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/National-Anthem-Map.png

    This might be the best road to take:

    https://preview.redd.it/fthaemz26si81.jpg?auto=webp&s=062a1b3fa81b115d998b9d7346ad90e4cdba15da

    Hat tip for the second to the Estonian kid who curates maps on his Zimbax channel. Well worth spending a few minutes a week there.


    https://img.ifunny.co/images/02b8cfa15fe3a4188d8b4e36566171d388f401addcc966a8c00c6ac38cd0cc69_1.jpg


    https://preview.redd.it/47rr374jqgv71.jpg?auto=webp&s=3970341e04b838c5468b04599b1a1aa9bd5af7db

    https://preview.redd.it/u1erfvh5q1i81.png?auto=webp&s=ff918a40b37307bc01126bfbad0563454572dd55


    https://preview.redd.it/qfnqmw6ujw981.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=74a1e4b4918a6be7543b09af62914dafe585ea4f

    https://preview.redd.it/za3e1y0i0aj81.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c9a5bc765e1d483c4dd5ce00d3d3d88a8e970c17

    https://preview.redd.it/6b1qejexwn881.jpg?auto=webp&s=aeb91434a8782c18a1d37fd5f0c05903191fb549


    Xangai = Shanghai


    https://preview.redd.it/2v1i9kl9em981.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=e0b902b8c9e12ca63b0cfaa5d5e05440c018d4d8

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECgnBkCXUAUFP30?format=jpg&name=large


    Is brown really the best color choice for the streets of San Francisco?


    https://i.redd.it/9iupmrllj3j81.jpg

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @nokangaroos

    Best national anthem lyric I believe (if I’m not mistaken) is a line from the Dutch National Anthem:

    “I have always been loyal to the King of Spain.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    Best national anthem lyric I believe (if I’m not mistaken) is a line from the Dutch National Anthem:

    “I have always been loyal to the King of Spain.”
     
    If only we could get Puerto Ricans to think the same way. Start with AOC.
  27. A pinhead giving the peace sign as he rides a nuke to Russia perfectly represents American foreign policy though.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @duncsbaby

    https://i.pinimg.com/236x/27/e0/ea/27e0ea69956ca652426cfd7e86c016b9.jpg

  28. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Bardon Kaldian

    "Ramones & Clash are crap, third rate music"

    No, the Ramones are good - or so bad they're good. How can you not like this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O9P5Us_eVo

    I agree that the Clash were a pretty pretentious bunch.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    I may like this song, but you have to admit their opus is narrow and somehow “all the same”. This is a rebel-without-cause infantile rock.

    Clash is noise, nothing more.

    Another association, having nothing to do with rock: this stuff is nothing “deep”. It’s just a pretentious sound masturbation:

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Bardon Kaldian

    OK Lester Bangs, list us what you deem to be "good" or "great" rock and roll.

    This'll be fun.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  29. @Bardon Kaldian
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I may like this song, but you have to admit their opus is narrow and somehow "all the same". This is a rebel-without-cause infantile rock.

    Clash is noise, nothing more.

    Another association, having nothing to do with rock: this stuff is nothing "deep". It's just a pretentious sound masturbation:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylXk1LBvIqU

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    OK Lester Bangs, list us what you deem to be “good” or “great” rock and roll.

    This’ll be fun.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Nothing too funny. Rock & pop-rock are overrated. There is nothing too significant in them, and those who search for some deeper meaning in this type of entertainment are deluded or retarded.

    What is good in popular music- when it is good - is a combination of melody, rhythm & harmony, to put it shortly. When it's mostly noise, it is just irritating; when it has some "message"- it's annoying; when it is about feelings of adolescents -it's boring.

    Sooo, this is ....



    Crap

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfK-WX2pa8c

    Good, very good

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcdZTmzTYFU

    Crap

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN5zw04WxCc

    Very good

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iAYhQsQhSY

    Crap

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPbclTnMLlc

    Very good

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU5LMG3WFBw

  30. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Bardon Kaldian

    OK Lester Bangs, list us what you deem to be "good" or "great" rock and roll.

    This'll be fun.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Nothing too funny. Rock & pop-rock are overrated. There is nothing too significant in them, and those who search for some deeper meaning in this type of entertainment are deluded or retarded.

    What is good in popular music- when it is good – is a combination of melody, rhythm & harmony, to put it shortly. When it’s mostly noise, it is just irritating; when it has some “message”- it’s annoying; when it is about feelings of adolescents -it’s boring.

    Sooo, this is ….

    [MORE]

    Crap

    Good, very good

    Crap

    Very good

    Crap

    Very good

  31. @Reg Cæsar
    This is mislabeled for America; we should have red and green stripes:


    http://www.allmysportsteamssuck.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/National-Anthem-Map.png

    This might be the best road to take:

    https://preview.redd.it/fthaemz26si81.jpg?auto=webp&s=062a1b3fa81b115d998b9d7346ad90e4cdba15da

    Hat tip for the second to the Estonian kid who curates maps on his Zimbax channel. Well worth spending a few minutes a week there.


    https://img.ifunny.co/images/02b8cfa15fe3a4188d8b4e36566171d388f401addcc966a8c00c6ac38cd0cc69_1.jpg


    https://preview.redd.it/47rr374jqgv71.jpg?auto=webp&s=3970341e04b838c5468b04599b1a1aa9bd5af7db

    https://preview.redd.it/u1erfvh5q1i81.png?auto=webp&s=ff918a40b37307bc01126bfbad0563454572dd55


    https://preview.redd.it/qfnqmw6ujw981.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=74a1e4b4918a6be7543b09af62914dafe585ea4f

    https://preview.redd.it/za3e1y0i0aj81.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c9a5bc765e1d483c4dd5ce00d3d3d88a8e970c17

    https://preview.redd.it/6b1qejexwn881.jpg?auto=webp&s=aeb91434a8782c18a1d37fd5f0c05903191fb549


    Xangai = Shanghai


    https://preview.redd.it/2v1i9kl9em981.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=e0b902b8c9e12ca63b0cfaa5d5e05440c018d4d8

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECgnBkCXUAUFP30?format=jpg&name=large


    Is brown really the best color choice for the streets of San Francisco?


    https://i.redd.it/9iupmrllj3j81.jpg

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @nokangaroos

    Germany would be the only country where singing the national anthem
    (more exactly the first stanza, enumerating the borders) lands you in prison.

  32. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Reg Cæsar

    Best national anthem lyric I believe (if I'm not mistaken) is a line from the Dutch National Anthem:

    "I have always been loyal to the King of Spain."

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Best national anthem lyric I believe (if I’m not mistaken) is a line from the Dutch National Anthem:

    “I have always been loyal to the King of Spain.”

    If only we could get Puerto Ricans to think the same way. Start with AOC.

  33. @Bardon Kaldian
    Ramones & Clash are crap, third rate music.

    Steve has an exquisite taste in classical/concert music, but when it comes to rock, pop, pop-rock....he's simply horrible.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @Reg Cæsar, @thud, @jamie b., @Sam Malone

    I have to agree about not getting at all why people ever thought The Clash were so great. I’ve tried twice to listen to their entire discography and there were literally only four songs I enjoyed. All the rest were either a bore or painful to listen to all the way through. BUT, I really liked those songs: Clash City Rockers, White Riot, Police On My Back (not written by them), and Should I Stay or Should I Go.

    If the rest was anything like the quality of those four songs, I would get why people made a big deal about them. As it is, I have to wonder if their fashionable far-left politics and some you-had-to-be-there element were really covering a multitude of sins. Groups can become hugely popular for a time not quite for their songs themselves, but at least as much because their look, style, humor, ideology, etc, hit the right note for that moment with a large enough fraction of young people and taste-makers.

    As far as I’m concerned, the Sex Pistols did better stuff and more of it on their one and only album. And yes, The Ramones are fucking terrible, I’m sorry. But yeah, if I’d been 16 in 1978 or whatever, maybe they would have actually meant something to me and I’d still speak up for them (though their music would still be atrocious). Though I guess saying that only proves Steve’s oft-made point of how guided we are in our tastes by what we liked when we were 12-22 years old.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Sam Malone

    I always found it weird that Sailer loved the Ramones and Clash, as he was already an adult when these bands became popular. He should have been into music from the early to mid-70's.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Sam Malone

  34. @duncsbaby
    A pinhead giving the peace sign as he rides a nuke to Russia perfectly represents American foreign policy though.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  35. “What is good in popular music- when it is good – is a combination of melody, rhythm & harmony”

    Somebody get this information to Steve Allen, stat! Wait, what’s that…? Oh. Never mind.

    All the stuff you flagged as “good” is, in fact, good — if sort of safe and unobjectionable.

    And as we all know, “safe and unobjectionable” are key features of rock and roll.

    You’ll have to send me a mix tape some time. Maybe we can get Andy Kaufman to lip-sync along with it. Wait, what’s that…? Oh. Never mind.

    I reckon this’ll make steam come out of your ears….

    or this…

    Well, courses for horses, as they say. De gustibus and all that. Rock on!

    cheerio.

  36. @Sam Malone
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I have to agree about not getting at all why people ever thought The Clash were so great. I've tried twice to listen to their entire discography and there were literally only four songs I enjoyed. All the rest were either a bore or painful to listen to all the way through. BUT, I really liked those songs: Clash City Rockers, White Riot, Police On My Back (not written by them), and Should I Stay or Should I Go.

    If the rest was anything like the quality of those four songs, I would get why people made a big deal about them. As it is, I have to wonder if their fashionable far-left politics and some you-had-to-be-there element were really covering a multitude of sins. Groups can become hugely popular for a time not quite for their songs themselves, but at least as much because their look, style, humor, ideology, etc, hit the right note for that moment with a large enough fraction of young people and taste-makers.

    As far as I'm concerned, the Sex Pistols did better stuff and more of it on their one and only album. And yes, The Ramones are fucking terrible, I'm sorry. But yeah, if I'd been 16 in 1978 or whatever, maybe they would have actually meant something to me and I'd still speak up for them (though their music would still be atrocious). Though I guess saying that only proves Steve's oft-made point of how guided we are in our tastes by what we liked when we were 12-22 years old.

    Replies: @BB753

    I always found it weird that Sailer loved the Ramones and Clash, as he was already an adult when these bands became popular. He should have been into music from the early to mid-70’s.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @BB753

    I was in college.

    Replies: @BB753

    , @Sam Malone
    @BB753

    I actually thought of that after making my comment, trying to remember Steve's timeline and realizing that if he was still rocking the punk scene by the late 70s / early 80s he was probably right at or even a little older than that theoretical cut-off of say ages 11-21 determining your lifelong tastes. But good for him and good for everyone, that's what college is for, branching out and experiencing styles you might not have engaged with previously. And apologies to the Ramones and Clash lovers, it's all subjective.

  37. I was surprised to find that even Vatican City had an anthem.

    • Replies: @S Johnson
    @BB753

    What else would they play at the Olympics when one of her citizens medals?

  38. @BB753
    @Sam Malone

    I always found it weird that Sailer loved the Ramones and Clash, as he was already an adult when these bands became popular. He should have been into music from the early to mid-70's.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Sam Malone

    I was in college.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Steve Sailer

    Were you older than your fellow students?

  39. @BB753
    @Sam Malone

    I always found it weird that Sailer loved the Ramones and Clash, as he was already an adult when these bands became popular. He should have been into music from the early to mid-70's.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Sam Malone

    I actually thought of that after making my comment, trying to remember Steve’s timeline and realizing that if he was still rocking the punk scene by the late 70s / early 80s he was probably right at or even a little older than that theoretical cut-off of say ages 11-21 determining your lifelong tastes. But good for him and good for everyone, that’s what college is for, branching out and experiencing styles you might not have engaged with previously. And apologies to the Ramones and Clash lovers, it’s all subjective.

  40. @BB753
    I was surprised to find that even Vatican City had an anthem.
    https://youtu.be/dD3rkdVnjOM

    Replies: @S Johnson

    What else would they play at the Olympics when one of her citizens medals?

    • LOL: BB753
  41. @Steve Sailer
    @BB753

    I was in college.

    Replies: @BB753

    Were you older than your fellow students?

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