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As I’ve been pointing out, the racial reckoning increased both shootings and traffic fatalities. Now, it turns out, not surprisingly, it has also boosted road rage shootings:

From WXYZ in Detroit:

2021 is on track to be the deadliest on record for road rage, data shows

Shootings on the freeway are more common now than ever before, and in metro Detroit, half of them are the result of road rage.

By: Brett Kast Posted at 12:16 PM, Jul 09, 2021

(WXYZ) — At times, driving metro Detroit freeways can be a bit stressful, leading to tense situations or even arguments, and now more often than ever before, those arguments are ending in gunfire.

A simple road rage incident led to gunfire last fall in Dearborn, the single bullet leaving a hole in the driver side door barely missing Aboudy Elhadi.

“It was ready to shoot. He just pulled it out and shot,” said Elhadi.

Elhadi was driving when he saw a car driving recklessly; he decided to roll down his window and exchange a few words, not thinking it would lead to gunshots.

“What did I do to you to deserve to get shot? Like swear, throw fingers, this is normal things. But for you to raise a gun and shoot at people? This is not normal at all,” said Elhadi.

This guy sounds like Tracey Ullman’s pan-Middle Eastern cab driver Chic.

Elhadi was lucky to escape without injury. Some road rage shootings have been fatal, including one this week in Troy, where a 55-year-old Detroit Fire Department lieutenant was shot and killed.

“We’re actually getting in arguments and shooting each other over not using a turn signal,” said Michigan State Police Lt. Mike Shaw.

In his 2 decades with the Michigan State Police, Lt. Shaw says he’s never seen this level of violence on the roads. …

“This is a huge problem we’re seeing not only here in Detroit, across the state of Michigan, but the entire country,” said Lt. Shaw.

According to Everytown for Gun Safety, in the U.S. there have been nearly double the number of road rage deaths and injuries in 2021, compared to any other year on record, estimating that every 18 hours, a person is either injured or killed in a road rage shooting.

“If current trends continue, 2021 is on track to be the deadliest on record in terms of road rage,” said Sarah Burd-Sharps, director of research for Everytown for Gun Safety.

OK, this graph isn’t the most self-evident one you’ll ever see, but it displays a cumulative trend of cumulative road rage casualties across the months for each year from 2017 (darkest line) through May 2021 (the faintest line). 2020’s road rage totals took off once the Racial Reckoning was declared and 2021 is continuing the trend through the cool months.

Burd- Sharps says there are likely multiple factors that have led to the increase, including stress from the pandemic and record gun sales. She believes more could be done to bring the number of shootings down.

“There are policy solutions,” Burd- Sharps said. “Not trying to say no guns, but saying let’s go at this responsibly. Let’s have policies and laws that avoid a situation where a loaded gun is available in a tense situation to somebody who should never have a gun in the first place.”

In other words, just about every gun that is used in a road rage incident is illegal, but due to social distancing and the racial reckoning, the cops haven’t been doing much about criminals driving around with guns since the pandemic started and/or George Floyd died. Searching the cars of likely criminals for illegal firearms isn’t considered gun control these days, it’s considered racism. So lowlifes are driving around more with guns ready at hand and taking pot shots at people who piss them off.

Lt. Shaw says the focus needs to be on conflict resolution and learning how to deescalate tense situations.

“I think it’s always interesting where the gun is the focal point on it. We need to bring it back to the person,” Shaw said. “The gun is just a gun. It’s the person that brings it out there and does illegal things with it.”

But most illegal things done with guns are done with illegal guns. But criminals aren’t as scared of illegally carrying a gun with them in 2021 than they were in the past because having cops arresting criminals for illegal guns is not who we are anymore.

In June, after 2-year-old Brison Christian was gunned down on I-75 in a non-road rage shooting, Detroit police announced Operation Brison, working with other departments to increase patrols on freeways.

“Our Metro South Post which covers Wayne County got over 800 illegal guns last year. That’s probably 3 times the amount we’ve gotten before,” Shaw said. “We’re going to pass that again this year.”

Cops are making fewer stops but hauling in more illegal guns. So how many more guns are being carried around out these since the racial reckoning began?

Joe Biden wants voters to believe the big problem with crime these days is that law-abiding citizens have more legal guns locked up in their gun safes than before the pandemic and George Floyd, but it sure seems to me that the big problem with crime is the more criminals are carrying their guns with them more often because they fear the cops less.

Shaw says law enforcement alone can’t solve the problem.

“We’ve also had registered CPL owners pull out a handgun and shoot somebody because they were upset,” Shaw said. “We need to get back to the basics and just let things go.”

Lacking witness cooperation, Shaw says suspects have only been identified in less than half of the 26 freeway shootings this year….

Everytown is now projecting more than 800 road rage shootings for 2021 with roughly 500 people being injured or killed.

 
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  1. Oh sure,blame the blacks!

    • Troll: petit bourgeois
    • Replies: @Detroit Refugee
    @Gaspar DeLaFunk

    Well. Joggers gonna jog.

  2. It was understandable last spring and summer when traffic (esp. urban) was freakishly low and there was more opportunity for obnoxious driving. Yet it didn’t really take off until the police became afraid of being chauvinated. Or were there orders from the top to pull back? I assumed blue gov’s, mayors & DAs were trying to make Trump look bad, but they’ve let the mayhem continue.

    I wonder if we’ll ever see data on what crimes were committed by inmates released early during the COVID panic. No one seems to pay any price for stupid, reckless governance that gets people killed.

    • Agree: Paul Jolliffe
  3. And as a corollary, how many of the people illegally possessing firearms are also driving without a license? The number of people who can’t legally drive on public roads in certain neighborhoods is astonishing.

    • Agree: petit bourgeois
    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    @Redneck farmer

    An addendum:

    So yesterday morning, two SUV’s repeatedly exchanged gunfire on one of metro Detroit’s major freeways (I-75).

    The kicker?

    They blew past Michigan State Police troopers on patrol! The cops pursued but the chase only ended when one of the SUV’s blew a tire, probably from a shot fired by the other SUV (who then fled away.)

    Road rage AND no fear of the cops in one succinct Detroit story, just hours after Steve’s post about that very area!

    Way to go, Steveradamus!

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2021/07/09/sb-75-closed-hours-police-investigate-overnight-shooting-between-suvs/7912282002/

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Redneck farmer

    Red, com'on man. Rules and regulations are racist, as are insurance, inspection and registration. The problem is they venture out of their neighborhoods and bring their violence with them.

  4. “We’re actually getting in arguments and shooting each other over not using a turn signal,” said Michigan State Police Lt. Mike Shaw.

    Well yeah, that kinda pisses me off too.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • Thanks: James Speaks
    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Almost Missouri

    The turn signal is the one part of a used BMW that will still work after the warranty has expired.

    , @usNthem
    @Almost Missouri

    What I get a kick out of is how reflexively most people USE their turn signals even when it’s obvious where they’re going or when there’s basically no one around. If I’m in a marked left or right turn lane, there’s no need to signal as it’s clear where I’m going. Now if there’s no marked turn lane and there’s someone behind me or coming in the opposite direction where it’ll make sense, I’ll signal my intent. Otherwise I never use them unless necessary.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Gamecock, @res, @Gabe Ruth

  5. “Everytown for Gun Safety” has no problem with black people shooting guns, actually. They love it, as this Michael Bloomberg-supported “grass roots” “Gun Safety” organization run from One Town (NYC) needs these black shootings to justify taking away good Americans’ guns. That is their goal, Steve, and you are a sucker for quoting that group of astro-turfing Totalitarians.

    Secondly, you brought up “illegal guns” I don’t know how many times. The concept of an “illegal gun” is one developed by the people, like Michael Bloomberg, who want them all banned. Was the guy carrying a gun in the car in violation with State law? OK, that’s a specific crime in that State (unConstitutional, but humor them for a minute). Did the guy steal that gun? That’s called property theft and, very likely, breaking and entering. Did he shoot it at someone not in self-defense and not as part of a militia taking down the Feral Gov’t? That is illegal in many ways that a non-lawyer like me couldn’t elucidate accurately.

    There were/are lots of illegal things going on with these road-rage shootings. I ask you to think about dropping this “illegal gun” term, as IMO that is falling into a verbal trap set by the gun confiscation organizations, such as “Everytown” for “Gun Safety”.

    • Replies: @HenryA
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Good point. In most cases what is referred to as an illegal gun is only illegal because it was possessed by a prohibited person. To anyone else that gun is legal. The street thug with fifty arrests and three felony convictions is a prohibited person who is violating the law by even handling any gun under any circumstances.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Gamecock
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The same people who tell us "No human is illegal" tells us guns are illegal. One wonders which laws they have broken. Can they be repeat offenders? 3 strikes and they are out? Will some liberal judge let them off with a warning?

  6. Lincoln was right.

    • Agree: Detroit Refugee
  7. @Redneck farmer
    And as a corollary, how many of the people illegally possessing firearms are also driving without a license? The number of people who can't legally drive on public roads in certain neighborhoods is astonishing.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Buffalo Joe

    An addendum:

    So yesterday morning, two SUV’s repeatedly exchanged gunfire on one of metro Detroit’s major freeways (I-75).

    The kicker?

    They blew past Michigan State Police troopers on patrol! The cops pursued but the chase only ended when one of the SUV’s blew a tire, probably from a shot fired by the other SUV (who then fled away.)

    Road rage AND no fear of the cops in one succinct Detroit story, just hours after Steve’s post about that very area!

    Way to go, Steveradamus!

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2021/07/09/sb-75-closed-hours-police-investigate-overnight-shooting-between-suvs/7912282002/

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Paul Jolliffe

    You may have missed the fun last week in Detriot Sud (Toledo):

    https://youtu.be/tVxxhxcd2sc

    Replies: @Detroit Refugee

  8. @Achmed E. Newman
    "Everytown for Gun Safety" has no problem with black people shooting guns, actually. They love it, as this Michael Bloomberg-supported "grass roots" "Gun Safety" organization run from One Town (NYC) needs these black shootings to justify taking away good Americans' guns. That is their goal, Steve, and you are a sucker for quoting that group of astro-turfing Totalitarians.

    Secondly, you brought up "illegal guns" I don't know how many times. The concept of an "illegal gun" is one developed by the people, like Michael Bloomberg, who want them all banned. Was the guy carrying a gun in the car in violation with State law? OK, that's a specific crime in that State (unConstitutional, but humor them for a minute). Did the guy steal that gun? That's called property theft and, very likely, breaking and entering. Did he shoot it at someone not in self-defense and not as part of a militia taking down the Feral Gov't? That is illegal in many ways that a non-lawyer like me couldn't elucidate accurately.

    There were/are lots of illegal things going on with these road-rage shootings. I ask you to think about dropping this "illegal gun" term, as IMO that is falling into a verbal trap set by the gun confiscation organizations, such as "Everytown" for "Gun Safety".

    Replies: @HenryA, @Gamecock

    Good point. In most cases what is referred to as an illegal gun is only illegal because it was possessed by a prohibited person. To anyone else that gun is legal. The street thug with fifty arrests and three felony convictions is a prohibited person who is violating the law by even handling any gun under any circumstances.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @HenryA

    Henry, you are right - that is true for the case of convicted felons. They are usually prohibited from owning guns, in that abstract way that assumes criminals are law-abiding, except right when they commit crimes.

    However, lots of non-convicted black thugs carry guns that are perfectly legal for them to own. It's the mayhem they do/cause that is the illegal stuff.

    "Illegal guns" is a term used by the gun confiscation crowd. Sure, a full automatic is illegal to own, but hardly any criminals use them, as Steve well knows and has even posted about.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  9. @Almost Missouri

    “We’re actually getting in arguments and shooting each other over not using a turn signal,” said Michigan State Police Lt. Mike Shaw.
     
    Well yeah, that kinda pisses me off too.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @usNthem

    The turn signal is the one part of a used BMW that will still work after the warranty has expired.

    • LOL: Hibernian
  10. Only Sane Solution: outlaw afros from owning handguns with the death penalty for violators.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @nsa

    'Only Sane Solution: outlaw afros from owning handguns with the death penalty for violators.'

    Well, be reasonable. A year in county jail for the first offense.

    Replies: @Detroit Refugee

  11. MSP Lt. Shaw says: “We need to get back to the basics and just let things go.”. Why, yes. Capital idea. It does matter, though, who the “we” is, what is being “let go”, and by whom. The cops and prosecutors have changed policies and enforcement to “let things go” with traffic law enforcement, gun possession, warrant pick-ups, releases from jail and prison, declines to prosecute most property crime, and almost all crime (in some places) committed by negroes. Seems as though “we” are “letting things go”. Seems that some of “us” are less pleased with that than others. Seems that when some people “let things go” other people “take” things. Who- whom indeed.

    Reap; sow, etc., etc., etc.

  12. Only way out is through. Stay in Cali and build the next thing with all the other post-progressives.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Desiderius

    It works the other way, too. Every white from flyover country who moves to New York does nothing but shit on their hometown in order to prove their bona fides to the earlier arrivals. Native New Yorkers are far more realistic about Commies and Orcs, because a lot of them remember what the City was like pre-Rudy and before broken windows.

  13. • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Desiderius

    Desi, at least they weren't bringing babies home to keep them company. Sad for the dogs, shame on the owners, or borrowers.

    , @Barnard
    @Desiderius

    In some places one of the exemptions from lockdown restrictions was walking your dog. I think it was during the Pebble Beach Pro Am in February, they showed a shot of the beach with what looked like hundreds of people out there with dogs. People adopting dogs and then getting rid of them when restrictions were dropped should have been an anticipated problem from the lockdowns, but then again the elites were not able to anticipate any of the economic problems.

  14. • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @gandydancer

    This one was especially sickening. The 15 yr old son was in the car w/his dad and performed CPR on him until the cops arrived.

    The voters of Minnesota should be crying out for AG Keith Ellison's head on a stick, but no, they are like the frat-boy pledges in Animal House: "Thank-you sir, may I have another?"

  15. I’ve known for decades you don’t honk your horn in some neighborhoods even at a double parked car when the driver of that car is having a conversation with someone. That is ‘disrespect’ and worse doing it publicly so the driver of the double parked car has to react or lose face.

    We all get mad at other drivers and we all make mistakes while driving so it might be have been a good idea if the auto industry had adopted a two tone car horn. One to warn and express anger and another sound to indicate an apology. Anyone got an idea for what that should sound like?

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    @UNIT472

    "We all get mad at other drivers". Except me. I never get anything close to road rage. I realize how unusual this is. Anytime someone else is driving and I am a passenger I always see them road rage to some degree or another. I don't enjoy anger in general. I find it to be a boring, exhausting and self destructive emotion.

    , @Kratoklastes
    @UNIT472


    One to warn and express anger and another sound to indicate an apology. Anyone got an idea for what that should sound like?
     
    Well, one of them should be 'La cucaracha'.
  16. …barely missing Aboudy Elhadi.

    “Hello, 911? There’s Aboudy lying on the shoulder on Greenfield Road…”

    So lowlifes are driving around more with guns ready at hand and taking pot shots at people who piss them off.

    Everytown is Everysideshow.

    Sarah Burd-Sharps, director of research for Everytown for Gun Safety.

    Her name is dangerous. Is it registered with the police? She’s white, by the way. Could pass for Arianna Huffington.

    A good way to avoid road rage is to have the radio tuned to the classical station. Can’t imagine these characters doing that, though.

  17. Do others notice more reckless, aggressive driving on highways in the last few years? Every time I’m on a highway with a moderate amount of traffic traveling at normal speeds, I’ll see drivers take advantage of a small opening to cut across three lanes, then, when another opening presents itself, cut back across the three lanes, just to get ahead of a few cars. They do this repeatedly. I don’t recall seeing this sort of driving much in the past. It reminds me of a stock car race or a Fast & Furious movie. I’m impressed at the skill it takes to do this without causing an accident, but assume that it regularly does cause accidents.

    Another one: I’ll be heading toward an intersection, the light has turned yellow, and decide that I can just make it through before it turns red. After doing so, I glance in the rear view mirror and see that the three cars behind me, going back 60 yards, also passed through the intersection. I notice his more often then not.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Harry Baldwin

    Yes, but it got worse after the COVID lockdowns ended. No one was on the road from about March-June of 2020. It was really nice. Even in areas like mine with fairly loose lockdown policies, media coverage of the disease had a weird psychological impact, so people mostly stay indoors at home. My husband and I were often the only ones going out to eat in our favorite restaurants downtown during that time frame. Same restaurants have waits even on week day nights now. When people felt “safe” again they were suddenly everywhere, especially driving like morons. I don’t know why.

    I dislike driving on any interstate other than I-10 in the winter (when it’s not tourist season and full of psycho SUVs with Texas tags hauling giant coolers going 95 mph). Recent experiences on the highways in the Mountain West and in New England have been okay, too. Mountain West because it’s empty and people are generally skillful drivers. New England because the speed limit is often 65 and even when there’s a decent volume of traffic handling it at 65-75 is a hell of a lot easier than handling it at 85-95 like they drive everywhere else.

    , @JMcG
    @Harry Baldwin

    100% agree. I’ve seen one red-light runner pulled over in the last twenty years despite the fact that I must see it done at least once a day now. There seems to be zero enforcement of any road regulation other than speeding.

    , @res
    @Harry Baldwin


    I’ll be heading toward an intersection, the light has turned yellow, and decide that I can just make it through before it turns red. After doing so, I glance in the rear view mirror and see that the three cars behind me, going back 60 yards, also passed through the intersection. I notice his more often then not.
     
    This. Makes me worry about stopping for a yellow light which I know will turn red before I clear the intersection.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Harry Baldwin

    I will say this, Harry. If those middle two lanes out of 4 in one direction are full of cars screwing around and not passing anyone, then I will do that same thing. If drivers (if there are any left) would understand that only that right-most lane is not a passing lane, and you either pass or come the hell back right, the interstates wouldn't be so dysfunctional.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  18. You might want to get yourself a car with a bunch of cameras all over it, so you can at least document people who shoot at you. As happened with this Tesla owner just a couple of days ago in Sacramento:

    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @Anon7

    Not a firearm, with the gullet of the "weapon" being that large. Paintball?

    , @Gabe Ruth
    @Anon7

    White guy too, wow. Would guess he was very high.

    Was that a blunderbuss?

  19. Now I understand why the corporate class hates local news. They report on actual things affecting people. The national news channels aren’t reporting this. They just aren’t. They’re focusing on issues like transgenders in the military, it’s so not important

  20. I have definitely noticed more reckless “I don’t give a f$ck” driving in my city in the last 6 months or so, and uh, the drivers tend to be fairly similar in appearance. I brake checked one of these aspiring rappers which led to being followed several blocks through my neighborhood where he definitely does not live. I don’t carry and don’t care to start, so there is no point in reacting no matter how egregious whatever I see is.

  21. @Redneck farmer
    And as a corollary, how many of the people illegally possessing firearms are also driving without a license? The number of people who can't legally drive on public roads in certain neighborhoods is astonishing.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Buffalo Joe

    Red, com’on man. Rules and regulations are racist, as are insurance, inspection and registration. The problem is they venture out of their neighborhoods and bring their violence with them.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
  22. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/emeriticus/status/1413696813094391809?s=20

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Barnard

    Desi, at least they weren’t bringing babies home to keep them company. Sad for the dogs, shame on the owners, or borrowers.

  23. @Harry Baldwin
    Do others notice more reckless, aggressive driving on highways in the last few years? Every time I'm on a highway with a moderate amount of traffic traveling at normal speeds, I'll see drivers take advantage of a small opening to cut across three lanes, then, when another opening presents itself, cut back across the three lanes, just to get ahead of a few cars. They do this repeatedly. I don't recall seeing this sort of driving much in the past. It reminds me of a stock car race or a Fast & Furious movie. I'm impressed at the skill it takes to do this without causing an accident, but assume that it regularly does cause accidents.

    Another one: I'll be heading toward an intersection, the light has turned yellow, and decide that I can just make it through before it turns red. After doing so, I glance in the rear view mirror and see that the three cars behind me, going back 60 yards, also passed through the intersection. I notice his more often then not.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @JMcG, @res, @Achmed E. Newman

    Yes, but it got worse after the COVID lockdowns ended. No one was on the road from about March-June of 2020. It was really nice. Even in areas like mine with fairly loose lockdown policies, media coverage of the disease had a weird psychological impact, so people mostly stay indoors at home. My husband and I were often the only ones going out to eat in our favorite restaurants downtown during that time frame. Same restaurants have waits even on week day nights now. When people felt “safe” again they were suddenly everywhere, especially driving like morons. I don’t know why.

    I dislike driving on any interstate other than I-10 in the winter (when it’s not tourist season and full of psycho SUVs with Texas tags hauling giant coolers going 95 mph). Recent experiences on the highways in the Mountain West and in New England have been okay, too. Mountain West because it’s empty and people are generally skillful drivers. New England because the speed limit is often 65 and even when there’s a decent volume of traffic handling it at 65-75 is a hell of a lot easier than handling it at 85-95 like they drive everywhere else.

  24. @Harry Baldwin
    Do others notice more reckless, aggressive driving on highways in the last few years? Every time I'm on a highway with a moderate amount of traffic traveling at normal speeds, I'll see drivers take advantage of a small opening to cut across three lanes, then, when another opening presents itself, cut back across the three lanes, just to get ahead of a few cars. They do this repeatedly. I don't recall seeing this sort of driving much in the past. It reminds me of a stock car race or a Fast & Furious movie. I'm impressed at the skill it takes to do this without causing an accident, but assume that it regularly does cause accidents.

    Another one: I'll be heading toward an intersection, the light has turned yellow, and decide that I can just make it through before it turns red. After doing so, I glance in the rear view mirror and see that the three cars behind me, going back 60 yards, also passed through the intersection. I notice his more often then not.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @JMcG, @res, @Achmed E. Newman

    100% agree. I’ve seen one red-light runner pulled over in the last twenty years despite the fact that I must see it done at least once a day now. There seems to be zero enforcement of any road regulation other than speeding.

  25. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/emeriticus/status/1413696813094391809?s=20

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Barnard

    In some places one of the exemptions from lockdown restrictions was walking your dog. I think it was during the Pebble Beach Pro Am in February, they showed a shot of the beach with what looked like hundreds of people out there with dogs. People adopting dogs and then getting rid of them when restrictions were dropped should have been an anticipated problem from the lockdowns, but then again the elites were not able to anticipate any of the economic problems.

  26. A very odd story from the land of St. George Floyd. The police are going to great lengths to not characterize this as a road rage shooting. They claim there was a minor incident that escalated very quickly. The fact that the driver was murdered seems like it would still classify it as road rage to me. It doesn’t sound likely this one will ever get solved. This is not one of the more vibrant parts of the metro area typically.

    https://kstp.com/news/reward-offered-for-information-about-suspect-in-fatal-shooting-along-hwy-169-in-plymouth/6166306/

  27. res says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    Do others notice more reckless, aggressive driving on highways in the last few years? Every time I'm on a highway with a moderate amount of traffic traveling at normal speeds, I'll see drivers take advantage of a small opening to cut across three lanes, then, when another opening presents itself, cut back across the three lanes, just to get ahead of a few cars. They do this repeatedly. I don't recall seeing this sort of driving much in the past. It reminds me of a stock car race or a Fast & Furious movie. I'm impressed at the skill it takes to do this without causing an accident, but assume that it regularly does cause accidents.

    Another one: I'll be heading toward an intersection, the light has turned yellow, and decide that I can just make it through before it turns red. After doing so, I glance in the rear view mirror and see that the three cars behind me, going back 60 yards, also passed through the intersection. I notice his more often then not.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @JMcG, @res, @Achmed E. Newman

    I’ll be heading toward an intersection, the light has turned yellow, and decide that I can just make it through before it turns red. After doing so, I glance in the rear view mirror and see that the three cars behind me, going back 60 yards, also passed through the intersection. I notice his more often then not.

    This. Makes me worry about stopping for a yellow light which I know will turn red before I clear the intersection.

    • Agree: SafeNow
  28. Media should drop the euphemism that the other driver might “retaliate” if you reprimand him by honking or the like. It’s time to be realistic. Sure, “retaliate” might mean “honk back at you, even louder.” But, it also might mean “kill you.” Media should say “might kill you” or at least “”might shoot at you.”

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  29. 800 road rage shootings for 2021 with roughly 500 people being injured or killed

    So 300 missed entirely. These numbers fit nicely within Sailer’s Law.

  30. @Harry Baldwin
    Do others notice more reckless, aggressive driving on highways in the last few years? Every time I'm on a highway with a moderate amount of traffic traveling at normal speeds, I'll see drivers take advantage of a small opening to cut across three lanes, then, when another opening presents itself, cut back across the three lanes, just to get ahead of a few cars. They do this repeatedly. I don't recall seeing this sort of driving much in the past. It reminds me of a stock car race or a Fast & Furious movie. I'm impressed at the skill it takes to do this without causing an accident, but assume that it regularly does cause accidents.

    Another one: I'll be heading toward an intersection, the light has turned yellow, and decide that I can just make it through before it turns red. After doing so, I glance in the rear view mirror and see that the three cars behind me, going back 60 yards, also passed through the intersection. I notice his more often then not.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @JMcG, @res, @Achmed E. Newman

    I will say this, Harry. If those middle two lanes out of 4 in one direction are full of cars screwing around and not passing anyone, then I will do that same thing. If drivers (if there are any left) would understand that only that right-most lane is not a passing lane, and you either pass or come the hell back right, the interstates wouldn’t be so dysfunctional.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I was talking about this issue with a police officer and he said a lot of the weaving in and out of traffic is, like you say, due to drivers who insist on dawdling in the passing lane.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  31. @Achmed E. Newman
    "Everytown for Gun Safety" has no problem with black people shooting guns, actually. They love it, as this Michael Bloomberg-supported "grass roots" "Gun Safety" organization run from One Town (NYC) needs these black shootings to justify taking away good Americans' guns. That is their goal, Steve, and you are a sucker for quoting that group of astro-turfing Totalitarians.

    Secondly, you brought up "illegal guns" I don't know how many times. The concept of an "illegal gun" is one developed by the people, like Michael Bloomberg, who want them all banned. Was the guy carrying a gun in the car in violation with State law? OK, that's a specific crime in that State (unConstitutional, but humor them for a minute). Did the guy steal that gun? That's called property theft and, very likely, breaking and entering. Did he shoot it at someone not in self-defense and not as part of a militia taking down the Feral Gov't? That is illegal in many ways that a non-lawyer like me couldn't elucidate accurately.

    There were/are lots of illegal things going on with these road-rage shootings. I ask you to think about dropping this "illegal gun" term, as IMO that is falling into a verbal trap set by the gun confiscation organizations, such as "Everytown" for "Gun Safety".

    Replies: @HenryA, @Gamecock

    The same people who tell us “No human is illegal” tells us guns are illegal. One wonders which laws they have broken. Can they be repeat offenders? 3 strikes and they are out? Will some liberal judge let them off with a warning?

  32. @Almost Missouri

    “We’re actually getting in arguments and shooting each other over not using a turn signal,” said Michigan State Police Lt. Mike Shaw.
     
    Well yeah, that kinda pisses me off too.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @usNthem

    What I get a kick out of is how reflexively most people USE their turn signals even when it’s obvious where they’re going or when there’s basically no one around. If I’m in a marked left or right turn lane, there’s no need to signal as it’s clear where I’m going. Now if there’s no marked turn lane and there’s someone behind me or coming in the opposite direction where it’ll make sense, I’ll signal my intent. Otherwise I never use them unless necessary.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Disagree: Gamecock
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @usNthem

    Developing habits like "I always turn on my left turn signal when I'm turning left" makes life a lot easier than having to think through the conditions of each left turn to come to a unique decision each time over whether or not to turn on your turn signal.

    Replies: @usNthem, @Jack D, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Gamecock
    @usNthem

    You owe everyone the explanation that you are turning. Just because you don't know how/if they can use the information is no reason not to signal. You signal; they'll decide.

    Replies: @Ralph L

    , @res
    @usNthem

    Steve already made the point about developing habits. Also consider that you are using your signal for the person/vehicle you don't see.

    , @Gabe Ruth
    @usNthem

    Be honest, how black are you?

  33. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/L0m3z/status/1412087959424102401?s=20

    Only way out is through. Stay in Cali and build the next thing with all the other post-progressives.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    It works the other way, too. Every white from flyover country who moves to New York does nothing but shit on their hometown in order to prove their bona fides to the earlier arrivals. Native New Yorkers are far more realistic about Commies and Orcs, because a lot of them remember what the City was like pre-Rudy and before broken windows.

  34. You know, I meant to put this in that other thread about black drivers – ~ 2 weeks back or so – so I’ll write this now. For black men, who have pretty good vision and reflexes in general, people chalk up to stupidity on the road what is not stupidity.

    Black people in general just plain do not give a damn about other people as much as White people do. That’s somewhat about being tribal, but they often don’t give damn about people in their own tribe either. (Maybe it’s that they can’t always see who’s whom on the road, but if the windows are tinted, and the car is dinted, a black driver has been minted.*)

    No turn signal? They know how to use it. Nobody’s THAT lazy… right?… I think… They are just showing that they don’t have to give a damn. I don’t see them signal much, because signaling is a courtesy, a communication device which is not necessary with nobody around, but must be done RIGHT. Too early, and you will wreck one day, too late, and you’ve wasted people’s time – that discourtesy thing.

    It’s not like White people aren’t guilty of this discourtesy fairly often, and Peak Stupidity has one great example of Instant Karma at the Intersection, in which a non-signaling driver about screwed himself into waiting on another long red light. Then, with that same Peak Stupidity Roadshow topic key, there’s another post called More Intersectional Stupidity. Young black guys don’t signal MOST of the time.

    I could give examples of things having nothing to do with driving in which black people make no effort to care about anyone else. On the road, though, that’s the factor that makes them bad drivers, IMO.

    .

    * Hey, it’s a work in progress – give me a break!

  35. @HenryA
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Good point. In most cases what is referred to as an illegal gun is only illegal because it was possessed by a prohibited person. To anyone else that gun is legal. The street thug with fifty arrests and three felony convictions is a prohibited person who is violating the law by even handling any gun under any circumstances.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Henry, you are right – that is true for the case of convicted felons. They are usually prohibited from owning guns, in that abstract way that assumes criminals are law-abiding, except right when they commit crimes.

    However, lots of non-convicted black thugs carry guns that are perfectly legal for them to own. It’s the mayhem they do/cause that is the illegal stuff.

    “Illegal guns” is a term used by the gun confiscation crowd. Sure, a full automatic is illegal to own, but hardly any criminals use them, as Steve well knows and has even posted about.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “Illegal guns” is a term used by the gun confiscation crowd.

    We've all seen those virtue-signaling signs in front of liberals' homes which list a bunch of dubious maxims including "No human is illegal."

    Well, no gun is illegal either. It all depends on who has it and what he's doing with it.

    There's a story about an old Scotsman, whose traditional dress included a dirk hanging from his belt. When told that that knife was against the law, he responded, "It's not against the law, the law is against it."

  36. “Shootings on the freeway are more common now than ever before, and in metro Detroit, half of them are the result of road rage.”

    so what are the other half due to?!

    remind me to be on the lookout for those Road Calmness shootings.

    • LOL: Rob McX
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @prime noticer

    '“Shootings on the freeway are more common now than ever before, and in metro Detroit, half of them are the result of road rage.”

    so what are the other half due to?!'

    Racial hatred...exuberance...seeing somebody you know.

    Replies: @Detroit Refugee

    , @Stan d Mute
    @prime noticer


    so what are the other half due to?!
     
    Road exuberance
  37. @UNIT472
    I've known for decades you don't honk your horn in some neighborhoods even at a double parked car when the driver of that car is having a conversation with someone. That is 'disrespect' and worse doing it publicly so the driver of the double parked car has to react or lose face.

    We all get mad at other drivers and we all make mistakes while driving so it might be have been a good idea if the auto industry had adopted a two tone car horn. One to warn and express anger and another sound to indicate an apology. Anyone got an idea for what that should sound like?

    Replies: @Jay Fink, @Kratoklastes

    “We all get mad at other drivers”. Except me. I never get anything close to road rage. I realize how unusual this is. Anytime someone else is driving and I am a passenger I always see them road rage to some degree or another. I don’t enjoy anger in general. I find it to be a boring, exhausting and self destructive emotion.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  38. @usNthem
    @Almost Missouri

    What I get a kick out of is how reflexively most people USE their turn signals even when it’s obvious where they’re going or when there’s basically no one around. If I’m in a marked left or right turn lane, there’s no need to signal as it’s clear where I’m going. Now if there’s no marked turn lane and there’s someone behind me or coming in the opposite direction where it’ll make sense, I’ll signal my intent. Otherwise I never use them unless necessary.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Gamecock, @res, @Gabe Ruth

    Developing habits like “I always turn on my left turn signal when I’m turning left” makes life a lot easier than having to think through the conditions of each left turn to come to a unique decision each time over whether or not to turn on your turn signal.

    • Replies: @usNthem
    @Steve Sailer

    Respectfully have to disagree. Flipping on the turn signal when it’s obvious where one is going is lemming like behavior. I’d rather deal with it, or not, on a case by case basis. Keeps the mind active. I don’t know, it’s just a foible of mine...

    Replies: @Gamecock

    , @Jack D
    @Steve Sailer

    Agree. Because the risks associated with false positives is much less than with false negatives and because after a while it becomes a matter of muscle memory and not even conscious thought and that's a good thing on the whole.

    When I walk into my house I have the habit of flipping the bolt closed. Sometimes I am going right back out but it's such an ingrained habit that I don't even stop to think about it - it's all one motion - close the door, flip the bolt. The downside is that sometimes I have to re-flip it open again. The upside is that random strangers can't just walk into my house. I think the upside outweighs the downside and I have no intention of trying to break my habit.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Steve Sailer

    Think of it as a communication device, and then it becomes natural to use it when you need to "tell someone something". (That could be, "Hey, I'm forking off here, so you can go ahead and get on the road" or "The reason I'm on the brakes, you freakin idiot tailgater, is that I'm turning right in 100 ft." or "I'm turning left, and I'm waiting for you to go straight. If you are also turning left, then if I knew that I'd start my turn, but without your turn signal on, how do I know that, you worthless asshole." Stuff like that. ) That takes thoughtfulness, but also, one must be aware of the surrounding traffic. You should.

    I've seen drivers get pissed off, because I started to go straight, after pausing (pausing is how I'd put it in traffic court, as I want to stay in 2nd) at the 3-way stop-sign intersection, and the dude didn't have his left turn signal on. The guy's yelling something, possibly about "my turn!" I'm thinking, "Hey, moron, not my problem. How would I know you weren't going straight?"

    In the middle of the night with nobody on the same road? Your sense should just say "what's the point in signaling?" It's about not driving mindlessly.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

  39. @nsa
    Only Sane Solution: outlaw afros from owning handguns with the death penalty for violators.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Only Sane Solution: outlaw afros from owning handguns with the death penalty for violators.’

    Well, be reasonable. A year in county jail for the first offense.

    • Replies: @Detroit Refugee
    @Colin Wright

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Two things the Afros shouldn’t have access to. Car keys and firearms.

    Replies: @anon

  40. @prime noticer
    "Shootings on the freeway are more common now than ever before, and in metro Detroit, half of them are the result of road rage."

    so what are the other half due to?!

    remind me to be on the lookout for those Road Calmness shootings.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Stan d Mute

    ‘“Shootings on the freeway are more common now than ever before, and in metro Detroit, half of them are the result of road rage.”

    so what are the other half due to?!’

    Racial hatred…exuberance…seeing somebody you know.

    • Replies: @Detroit Refugee
    @Colin Wright

    Up in the D, if an aspiring rapper is dressed better or driving a nicer ride, the other rappers may take offense and open fire on the freeways.

    If a jogger looks the wrong way at another jogger, that may count as a “diss”, therefore it’s acceptable to shoot up said joggers car.

  41. @Steve Sailer
    @usNthem

    Developing habits like "I always turn on my left turn signal when I'm turning left" makes life a lot easier than having to think through the conditions of each left turn to come to a unique decision each time over whether or not to turn on your turn signal.

    Replies: @usNthem, @Jack D, @Achmed E. Newman

    Respectfully have to disagree. Flipping on the turn signal when it’s obvious where one is going is lemming like behavior. I’d rather deal with it, or not, on a case by case basis. Keeps the mind active. I don’t know, it’s just a foible of mine…

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman, Yngvar
    • Troll: Mr. Grey
    • Replies: @Gamecock
    @usNthem


    Flipping on the turn signal when it’s obvious where one is going is lemming like behavior.
     
    Obvious to whom, CREEP?
  42. @Steve Sailer
    @usNthem

    Developing habits like "I always turn on my left turn signal when I'm turning left" makes life a lot easier than having to think through the conditions of each left turn to come to a unique decision each time over whether or not to turn on your turn signal.

    Replies: @usNthem, @Jack D, @Achmed E. Newman

    Agree. Because the risks associated with false positives is much less than with false negatives and because after a while it becomes a matter of muscle memory and not even conscious thought and that’s a good thing on the whole.

    When I walk into my house I have the habit of flipping the bolt closed. Sometimes I am going right back out but it’s such an ingrained habit that I don’t even stop to think about it – it’s all one motion – close the door, flip the bolt. The downside is that sometimes I have to re-flip it open again. The upside is that random strangers can’t just walk into my house. I think the upside outweighs the downside and I have no intention of trying to break my habit.

  43. @Steve Sailer
    @usNthem

    Developing habits like "I always turn on my left turn signal when I'm turning left" makes life a lot easier than having to think through the conditions of each left turn to come to a unique decision each time over whether or not to turn on your turn signal.

    Replies: @usNthem, @Jack D, @Achmed E. Newman

    Think of it as a communication device, and then it becomes natural to use it when you need to “tell someone something”. (That could be, “Hey, I’m forking off here, so you can go ahead and get on the road” or “The reason I’m on the brakes, you freakin idiot tailgater, is that I’m turning right in 100 ft.” or “I’m turning left, and I’m waiting for you to go straight. If you are also turning left, then if I knew that I’d start my turn, but without your turn signal on, how do I know that, you worthless asshole.” Stuff like that. ) That takes thoughtfulness, but also, one must be aware of the surrounding traffic. You should.

    I’ve seen drivers get pissed off, because I started to go straight, after pausing (pausing is how I’d put it in traffic court, as I want to stay in 2nd) at the 3-way stop-sign intersection, and the dude didn’t have his left turn signal on. The guy’s yelling something, possibly about “my turn!” I’m thinking, “Hey, moron, not my problem. How would I know you weren’t going straight?”

    In the middle of the night with nobody on the same road? Your sense should just say “what’s the point in signaling?” It’s about not driving mindlessly.

    • Thanks: usNthem
    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Achmed E. Newman


    In the middle of the night with nobody on the same road? Your sense should just say “what’s the point in signaling?”
     
    Your sense ought to say "there may be a cop car behind those bushes, with a guy inside who needs to make quota and knows white people don't make trouble."

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  44. @usNthem
    @Almost Missouri

    What I get a kick out of is how reflexively most people USE their turn signals even when it’s obvious where they’re going or when there’s basically no one around. If I’m in a marked left or right turn lane, there’s no need to signal as it’s clear where I’m going. Now if there’s no marked turn lane and there’s someone behind me or coming in the opposite direction where it’ll make sense, I’ll signal my intent. Otherwise I never use them unless necessary.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Gamecock, @res, @Gabe Ruth

    You owe everyone the explanation that you are turning. Just because you don’t know how/if they can use the information is no reason not to signal. You signal; they’ll decide.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Gamecock

    It lets them know you know what you're doing and won't switch lanes unexpectedly and without looking to avoid turning.

  45. @usNthem
    @Steve Sailer

    Respectfully have to disagree. Flipping on the turn signal when it’s obvious where one is going is lemming like behavior. I’d rather deal with it, or not, on a case by case basis. Keeps the mind active. I don’t know, it’s just a foible of mine...

    Replies: @Gamecock

    Flipping on the turn signal when it’s obvious where one is going is lemming like behavior.

    Obvious to whom, CREEP?

    • Thanks: Hangnail Hans
    • LOL: usNthem
  46. @Gamecock
    @usNthem

    You owe everyone the explanation that you are turning. Just because you don't know how/if they can use the information is no reason not to signal. You signal; they'll decide.

    Replies: @Ralph L

    It lets them know you know what you’re doing and won’t switch lanes unexpectedly and without looking to avoid turning.

  47. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Steve Sailer

    Think of it as a communication device, and then it becomes natural to use it when you need to "tell someone something". (That could be, "Hey, I'm forking off here, so you can go ahead and get on the road" or "The reason I'm on the brakes, you freakin idiot tailgater, is that I'm turning right in 100 ft." or "I'm turning left, and I'm waiting for you to go straight. If you are also turning left, then if I knew that I'd start my turn, but without your turn signal on, how do I know that, you worthless asshole." Stuff like that. ) That takes thoughtfulness, but also, one must be aware of the surrounding traffic. You should.

    I've seen drivers get pissed off, because I started to go straight, after pausing (pausing is how I'd put it in traffic court, as I want to stay in 2nd) at the 3-way stop-sign intersection, and the dude didn't have his left turn signal on. The guy's yelling something, possibly about "my turn!" I'm thinking, "Hey, moron, not my problem. How would I know you weren't going straight?"

    In the middle of the night with nobody on the same road? Your sense should just say "what's the point in signaling?" It's about not driving mindlessly.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    In the middle of the night with nobody on the same road? Your sense should just say “what’s the point in signaling?”

    Your sense ought to say “there may be a cop car behind those bushes, with a guy inside who needs to make quota and knows white people don’t make trouble.”

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Hangnail Hans

    Haha, Mr. Hans! That might ought to be your thoughts in California, as I remember a guy telling me about getting a ticket for not making a full stop (including the slight backward motion due to the compliance of the parts) on his BICYCLE! That's not the case where I live. Even in the worst of times, when I got pulled over semi-regularly, it was never for a turn signal.

    Haha, I forgot one time. On a 4-lane/direction interstate in another State, I was switching lanes a lot due to the very thing I replied to Harry Baldwin about above. People would not stay the hell right, but, yeah, she pulled me over for not signaling - who knows how many instances? When she talked to me she said "hey, I know it works, because you used it when I pulled you over." "Good point!" I said. I mentioned the fact that "in my State, we just don't use 'em much. I gotta get used to it." She let me go on my merry way - I don't think it was even with an official warning.

    Replies: @gandydancer, @Hibernian

  48. @Achmed E. Newman
    @HenryA

    Henry, you are right - that is true for the case of convicted felons. They are usually prohibited from owning guns, in that abstract way that assumes criminals are law-abiding, except right when they commit crimes.

    However, lots of non-convicted black thugs carry guns that are perfectly legal for them to own. It's the mayhem they do/cause that is the illegal stuff.

    "Illegal guns" is a term used by the gun confiscation crowd. Sure, a full automatic is illegal to own, but hardly any criminals use them, as Steve well knows and has even posted about.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    “Illegal guns” is a term used by the gun confiscation crowd.

    We’ve all seen those virtue-signaling signs in front of liberals’ homes which list a bunch of dubious maxims including “No human is illegal.”

    Well, no gun is illegal either. It all depends on who has it and what he’s doing with it.

    There’s a story about an old Scotsman, whose traditional dress included a dirk hanging from his belt. When told that that knife was against the law, he responded, “It’s not against the law, the law is against it.”

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  49. @UNIT472
    I've known for decades you don't honk your horn in some neighborhoods even at a double parked car when the driver of that car is having a conversation with someone. That is 'disrespect' and worse doing it publicly so the driver of the double parked car has to react or lose face.

    We all get mad at other drivers and we all make mistakes while driving so it might be have been a good idea if the auto industry had adopted a two tone car horn. One to warn and express anger and another sound to indicate an apology. Anyone got an idea for what that should sound like?

    Replies: @Jay Fink, @Kratoklastes

    One to warn and express anger and another sound to indicate an apology. Anyone got an idea for what that should sound like?

    Well, one of them should be ‘La cucaracha’.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  50. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Harry Baldwin

    I will say this, Harry. If those middle two lanes out of 4 in one direction are full of cars screwing around and not passing anyone, then I will do that same thing. If drivers (if there are any left) would understand that only that right-most lane is not a passing lane, and you either pass or come the hell back right, the interstates wouldn't be so dysfunctional.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    I was talking about this issue with a police officer and he said a lot of the weaving in and out of traffic is, like you say, due to drivers who insist on dawdling in the passing lane.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Harry Baldwin

    Now there's a decent highway patrolman that I wouldn't mind "working with" in traffic court.

    Harry, I remember a Canadian guy telling me "where I come from they will pull you for passing on the right," "Well", I said, "they need to start here by pulling people over for parking in the show-off lanes first."

  51. @Hangnail Hans
    @Achmed E. Newman


    In the middle of the night with nobody on the same road? Your sense should just say “what’s the point in signaling?”
     
    Your sense ought to say "there may be a cop car behind those bushes, with a guy inside who needs to make quota and knows white people don't make trouble."

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Haha, Mr. Hans! That might ought to be your thoughts in California, as I remember a guy telling me about getting a ticket for not making a full stop (including the slight backward motion due to the compliance of the parts) on his BICYCLE! That’s not the case where I live. Even in the worst of times, when I got pulled over semi-regularly, it was never for a turn signal.

    Haha, I forgot one time. On a 4-lane/direction interstate in another State, I was switching lanes a lot due to the very thing I replied to Harry Baldwin about above. People would not stay the hell right, but, yeah, she pulled me over for not signaling – who knows how many instances? When she talked to me she said “hey, I know it works, because you used it when I pulled you over.” “Good point!” I said. I mentioned the fact that “in my State, we just don’t use ’em much. I gotta get used to it.” She let me go on my merry way – I don’t think it was even with an official warning.

    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @Achmed E. Newman


    CA VEHICLE CODE - VEH
    DIVISION 11. RULES OF THE ROAD [21000 - 23336] ( Division 11 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )

    CHAPTER 6. Turning and Stopping and Turning Signals [22100 - 22113] ( Chapter 6 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )

    22107.
    No person shall turn a vehicle from a direct course or move right or left upon a roadway until such movement can be made with reasonable safety and then only after the giving of an appropriate signal in the manner provided in this chapter in the event any other vehicle may be affected by the movement.

    (Amended by Stats. 1959, Ch. 1996.)
     
    I was failed in my first drivers license test for not using turn signals when changing lanes to drive around double-parked cars. Seemed pretty clear to me what I was doing, but it availed me naught. (So I drove across the country without a license, but that's another story.)

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Hibernian
    @Achmed E. Newman


    ...as I remember a guy telling me about getting a ticket for not making a full stop (including the slight backward motion due to the compliance of the parts) on his BICYCLE!
     
    In Chicago bicyclists avoid stopping at stop signs and lights at all costs and are never ticketed.
  52. @Harry Baldwin
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I was talking about this issue with a police officer and he said a lot of the weaving in and out of traffic is, like you say, due to drivers who insist on dawdling in the passing lane.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Now there’s a decent highway patrolman that I wouldn’t mind “working with” in traffic court.

    Harry, I remember a Canadian guy telling me “where I come from they will pull you for passing on the right,” “Well”, I said, “they need to start here by pulling people over for parking in the show-off lanes first.”

  53. @usNthem
    @Almost Missouri

    What I get a kick out of is how reflexively most people USE their turn signals even when it’s obvious where they’re going or when there’s basically no one around. If I’m in a marked left or right turn lane, there’s no need to signal as it’s clear where I’m going. Now if there’s no marked turn lane and there’s someone behind me or coming in the opposite direction where it’ll make sense, I’ll signal my intent. Otherwise I never use them unless necessary.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Gamecock, @res, @Gabe Ruth

    Steve already made the point about developing habits. Also consider that you are using your signal for the person/vehicle you don’t see.

    • Agree: Tex
  54. “We’ve also had registered CPL owners pull out a handgun and shoot somebody because they were upset,” Shaw said.
    Really? Point to the stories about them. And specify why they were upset. Was it because the person they shot was a criminal attacking them?
    If a CPL holder shot someone for no other reason than that “they were upset”, it would be trumpeted by the mainstream media 24-7 for weeks.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Petercat

    What does "CPL" mean: Concealed Pistol License?

    Replies: @Petercat

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Petercat

    CC permit holders have a much better record than cops in not abusing their "privilege". Shaw is full of it.

    Something like 20 States now have a Constitutional Carry arrangement, in which, well, the US Constitution's Amendment II is one's permit. You don't have to carry it around, as it's easily available on-line.

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Petercat


    If a CPL holder shot someone for no other reason than that “they were upset”, it would be trumpeted by the mainstream media 24-7 for weeks.
     
    The Black CPL holder here was upset his Black Lady Doc girlfriend was leaving him. But that is of no relevance because he wasn't stopped by LE on his way to perpetrating the multiple murders.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6RBgZAw7LU

    https://abc7chicago.com/mercy-hospital-shooting-chicago-officer-among-injured/4720765/
  55. @Petercat
    “We’ve also had registered CPL owners pull out a handgun and shoot somebody because they were upset,” Shaw said.
    Really? Point to the stories about them. And specify why they were upset. Was it because the person they shot was a criminal attacking them?
    If a CPL holder shot someone for no other reason than that "they were upset", it would be trumpeted by the mainstream media 24-7 for weeks.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Achmed E. Newman, @Joe Stalin

    What does “CPL” mean: Concealed Pistol License?

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Petercat
    @Steve Sailer

    I assume so. Here in Georgia, it's a CWP, Concealed Weapons Permit, although we can carry openly.

    Replies: @FPD72

  56. In June, after 2-year-old Brison Christian was gunned down on I-75 in a non-road rage shooting, Detroit police announced Operation Brison, working with other departments to increase patrols on freeways.

    I’d like to think I would have had a sense of humor through the adversity, and named it Operation Bruffalo.

  57. @Petercat
    “We’ve also had registered CPL owners pull out a handgun and shoot somebody because they were upset,” Shaw said.
    Really? Point to the stories about them. And specify why they were upset. Was it because the person they shot was a criminal attacking them?
    If a CPL holder shot someone for no other reason than that "they were upset", it would be trumpeted by the mainstream media 24-7 for weeks.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Achmed E. Newman, @Joe Stalin

    CC permit holders have a much better record than cops in not abusing their “privilege”. Shaw is full of it.

    Something like 20 States now have a Constitutional Carry arrangement, in which, well, the US Constitution’s Amendment II is one’s permit. You don’t have to carry it around, as it’s easily available on-line.

  58. Anonymous[389] • Disclaimer says:

    I wouldn’t take anything the Bloomberg gun banner group says seriously. They have been caught lying, like all Bloomberg gun control groups (mayors against guns, moms demand action) have, and they really do want to ban just about everything out there and do not believe in an individual right to own firearms. They just know it is electoral poison to say such things at the moment.

    I haven’t seen them oppose one gun control bill ever, yet they oppose every single bill loosening gun laws. They are trying to appear to be moderate and not crazy gun banners full of Jews and affluent white liberal women like they actually are. Bloomberg admitted a while back he wanted all semi autos banned, but he couldn’t even really explain what one was or how it operated above what a small child would.

  59. @Anon7
    You might want to get yourself a car with a bunch of cameras all over it, so you can at least document people who shoot at you. As happened with this Tesla owner just a couple of days ago in Sacramento:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aDStiF8WEg

    Replies: @gandydancer, @Gabe Ruth

    Not a firearm, with the gullet of the “weapon” being that large. Paintball?

  60. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Hangnail Hans

    Haha, Mr. Hans! That might ought to be your thoughts in California, as I remember a guy telling me about getting a ticket for not making a full stop (including the slight backward motion due to the compliance of the parts) on his BICYCLE! That's not the case where I live. Even in the worst of times, when I got pulled over semi-regularly, it was never for a turn signal.

    Haha, I forgot one time. On a 4-lane/direction interstate in another State, I was switching lanes a lot due to the very thing I replied to Harry Baldwin about above. People would not stay the hell right, but, yeah, she pulled me over for not signaling - who knows how many instances? When she talked to me she said "hey, I know it works, because you used it when I pulled you over." "Good point!" I said. I mentioned the fact that "in my State, we just don't use 'em much. I gotta get used to it." She let me go on my merry way - I don't think it was even with an official warning.

    Replies: @gandydancer, @Hibernian

    CA VEHICLE CODE – VEH
    DIVISION 11. RULES OF THE ROAD [21000 – 23336] ( Division 11 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )

    CHAPTER 6. Turning and Stopping and Turning Signals [22100 – 22113] ( Chapter 6 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )

    22107.
    No person shall turn a vehicle from a direct course or move right or left upon a roadway until such movement can be made with reasonable safety and then only after the giving of an appropriate signal in the manner provided in this chapter in the event any other vehicle may be affected by the movement.

    (Amended by Stats. 1959, Ch. 1996.)

    I was failed in my first drivers license test for not using turn signals when changing lanes to drive around double-parked cars. Seemed pretty clear to me what I was doing, but it availed me naught. (So I drove across the country without a license, but that’s another story.)

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @gandydancer

    The bicyclist was in California, El Segundo to be exact, but my stop (one out of many, my heart rate doesn't even go up anymore) was in another State.


    So I drove across the country without a license, but that’s another story.
     
    Well, I mean, if they're not going to give it to you in a timely manner ... ;-}
  61. Let’s not forget about the fact that the HBD Mitten has been under totalitarian lockdown for the past year and even if you don’t know it’s been a dystopian fraud using seasonal illness as a weapon against you, you’re still going to be more than a little bit nuts. In a State, once having the highest standard of living in the world, reduced to an African city supported entirely by the now impoverished and unemployed folks who have been dispossessed for decades, I fully expect that things will get much more interesting fairly soon.

  62. @Paul Jolliffe
    @Redneck farmer

    An addendum:

    So yesterday morning, two SUV’s repeatedly exchanged gunfire on one of metro Detroit’s major freeways (I-75).

    The kicker?

    They blew past Michigan State Police troopers on patrol! The cops pursued but the chase only ended when one of the SUV’s blew a tire, probably from a shot fired by the other SUV (who then fled away.)

    Road rage AND no fear of the cops in one succinct Detroit story, just hours after Steve’s post about that very area!

    Way to go, Steveradamus!

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2021/07/09/sb-75-closed-hours-police-investigate-overnight-shooting-between-suvs/7912282002/

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    You may have missed the fun last week in Detriot Sud (Toledo):

    • Thanks: Paul Jolliffe
    • Replies: @Detroit Refugee
    @Stan d Mute

    Damn. First I’m hearing of this. And I’m between both wonderful “urban” cities.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

  63. @Petercat
    “We’ve also had registered CPL owners pull out a handgun and shoot somebody because they were upset,” Shaw said.
    Really? Point to the stories about them. And specify why they were upset. Was it because the person they shot was a criminal attacking them?
    If a CPL holder shot someone for no other reason than that "they were upset", it would be trumpeted by the mainstream media 24-7 for weeks.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Achmed E. Newman, @Joe Stalin

    If a CPL holder shot someone for no other reason than that “they were upset”, it would be trumpeted by the mainstream media 24-7 for weeks.

    The Black CPL holder here was upset his Black Lady Doc girlfriend was leaving him. But that is of no relevance because he wasn’t stopped by LE on his way to perpetrating the multiple murders.

    https://abc7chicago.com/mercy-hospital-shooting-chicago-officer-among-injured/4720765/

  64. @Anon7
    You might want to get yourself a car with a bunch of cameras all over it, so you can at least document people who shoot at you. As happened with this Tesla owner just a couple of days ago in Sacramento:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aDStiF8WEg

    Replies: @gandydancer, @Gabe Ruth

    White guy too, wow. Would guess he was very high.

    Was that a blunderbuss?

  65. @usNthem
    @Almost Missouri

    What I get a kick out of is how reflexively most people USE their turn signals even when it’s obvious where they’re going or when there’s basically no one around. If I’m in a marked left or right turn lane, there’s no need to signal as it’s clear where I’m going. Now if there’s no marked turn lane and there’s someone behind me or coming in the opposite direction where it’ll make sense, I’ll signal my intent. Otherwise I never use them unless necessary.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Gamecock, @res, @Gabe Ruth

    Be honest, how black are you?

  66. @Steve Sailer
    @Petercat

    What does "CPL" mean: Concealed Pistol License?

    Replies: @Petercat

    I assume so. Here in Georgia, it’s a CWP, Concealed Weapons Permit, although we can carry openly.

    • Replies: @FPD72
    @Petercat


    Here in Georgia, it’s a CWP, Concealed Weapons Permit, although we can carry openly.
     
    In Texas it’s an LTC (License to Carry), since the weapon may be carried concealed or open. As of September 1 Texas will be a Constitutional Carry state but it will still issue LsTC for travel to states with reciprocal agreements.
  67. @Gaspar DeLaFunk
    Oh sure,blame the blacks!

    Replies: @Detroit Refugee

    Well. Joggers gonna jog.

  68. @Colin Wright
    @prime noticer

    '“Shootings on the freeway are more common now than ever before, and in metro Detroit, half of them are the result of road rage.”

    so what are the other half due to?!'

    Racial hatred...exuberance...seeing somebody you know.

    Replies: @Detroit Refugee

    Up in the D, if an aspiring rapper is dressed better or driving a nicer ride, the other rappers may take offense and open fire on the freeways.

    If a jogger looks the wrong way at another jogger, that may count as a “diss”, therefore it’s acceptable to shoot up said joggers car.

  69. @Colin Wright
    @nsa

    'Only Sane Solution: outlaw afros from owning handguns with the death penalty for violators.'

    Well, be reasonable. A year in county jail for the first offense.

    Replies: @Detroit Refugee

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Two things the Afros shouldn’t have access to. Car keys and firearms.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Detroit Refugee

    Two things the Afros shouldn’t have access to. Car keys and firearms.

    White people and white countries.

    FIFY.

  70. @gandydancer
    @Achmed E. Newman


    CA VEHICLE CODE - VEH
    DIVISION 11. RULES OF THE ROAD [21000 - 23336] ( Division 11 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )

    CHAPTER 6. Turning and Stopping and Turning Signals [22100 - 22113] ( Chapter 6 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )

    22107.
    No person shall turn a vehicle from a direct course or move right or left upon a roadway until such movement can be made with reasonable safety and then only after the giving of an appropriate signal in the manner provided in this chapter in the event any other vehicle may be affected by the movement.

    (Amended by Stats. 1959, Ch. 1996.)
     
    I was failed in my first drivers license test for not using turn signals when changing lanes to drive around double-parked cars. Seemed pretty clear to me what I was doing, but it availed me naught. (So I drove across the country without a license, but that's another story.)

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    The bicyclist was in California, El Segundo to be exact, but my stop (one out of many, my heart rate doesn’t even go up anymore) was in another State.

    So I drove across the country without a license, but that’s another story.

    Well, I mean, if they’re not going to give it to you in a timely manner … ;-}

  71. @Stan d Mute
    @Paul Jolliffe

    You may have missed the fun last week in Detriot Sud (Toledo):

    https://youtu.be/tVxxhxcd2sc

    Replies: @Detroit Refugee

    Damn. First I’m hearing of this. And I’m between both wonderful “urban” cities.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Detroit Refugee

    Go North young man. Far North. Most savagery stops at Saginaw, but wise men will cross the bridge..

  72. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Hangnail Hans

    Haha, Mr. Hans! That might ought to be your thoughts in California, as I remember a guy telling me about getting a ticket for not making a full stop (including the slight backward motion due to the compliance of the parts) on his BICYCLE! That's not the case where I live. Even in the worst of times, when I got pulled over semi-regularly, it was never for a turn signal.

    Haha, I forgot one time. On a 4-lane/direction interstate in another State, I was switching lanes a lot due to the very thing I replied to Harry Baldwin about above. People would not stay the hell right, but, yeah, she pulled me over for not signaling - who knows how many instances? When she talked to me she said "hey, I know it works, because you used it when I pulled you over." "Good point!" I said. I mentioned the fact that "in my State, we just don't use 'em much. I gotta get used to it." She let me go on my merry way - I don't think it was even with an official warning.

    Replies: @gandydancer, @Hibernian

    …as I remember a guy telling me about getting a ticket for not making a full stop (including the slight backward motion due to the compliance of the parts) on his BICYCLE!

    In Chicago bicyclists avoid stopping at stop signs and lights at all costs and are never ticketed.

  73. @Petercat
    @Steve Sailer

    I assume so. Here in Georgia, it's a CWP, Concealed Weapons Permit, although we can carry openly.

    Replies: @FPD72

    Here in Georgia, it’s a CWP, Concealed Weapons Permit, although we can carry openly.

    In Texas it’s an LTC (License to Carry), since the weapon may be carried concealed or open. As of September 1 Texas will be a Constitutional Carry state but it will still issue LsTC for travel to states with reciprocal agreements.

  74. @gandydancer
    More "road rage". https://www.foxnews.com/us/baseball-coach-shot-dead-highway-road-rage

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    This one was especially sickening. The 15 yr old son was in the car w/his dad and performed CPR on him until the cops arrived.

    The voters of Minnesota should be crying out for AG Keith Ellison’s head on a stick, but no, they are like the frat-boy pledges in Animal House: “Thank-you sir, may I have another?”

  75. @Detroit Refugee
    @Stan d Mute

    Damn. First I’m hearing of this. And I’m between both wonderful “urban” cities.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    Go North young man. Far North. Most savagery stops at Saginaw, but wise men will cross the bridge..

  76. @prime noticer
    "Shootings on the freeway are more common now than ever before, and in metro Detroit, half of them are the result of road rage."

    so what are the other half due to?!

    remind me to be on the lookout for those Road Calmness shootings.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Stan d Mute

    so what are the other half due to?!

    Road exuberance

  77. @Detroit Refugee
    @Colin Wright

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Two things the Afros shouldn’t have access to. Car keys and firearms.

    Replies: @anon

    Two things the Afros shouldn’t have access to. Car keys and firearms.

    White people and white countries.

    FIFY.

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