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Is it out yet?

I’m asleep, so don’t ask me.

I’m guessing they will delay the announcement until some early morning to slow down Mostly Peaceful Protesters, who, like me, tend not to be Morning People.

 
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  1. Anonymous[950] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, Ex-Jets running back Zac Stacy is featured on twitter beating the tar out his ex-girlfriend in front of their 5 month old baby.

    Note to White women who don’t want to die: When your large, angry infantile black boyfriend body-slams you against a wall in your own home, don’t respond with, “Listen!”

    Just… shut… up.

  2. Nope. The fact that the jury has been at it for two full days without yet producing a verdict suggests they are not going to clear the defendant on all charges–otherwise they already would have done so.

  3. Luzzatto says:

    If a film is ever made about Kyle Rittenhouse, the Woke studio will cast Michael B. Jordan, John Boyega, and Nick Cannon as the 3 White guys who were shot by Kyle Rittenhouse!

  4. Does it matter? Within a week, it’ll be forgotten whatever the result. and the next amusement will have captured the public attention.

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
  5. According to Jack Posobiec, a court security guy told him that there are a couple of “Karens” on jury who are holding out for convictions.

    Robert Barnes and Viva Frei are worth follwing

    @barnes_law

    @thevivafrei

    Barnes did a lot of polling in Kenosha and found that, without competent jury vetting, a mistrial was quite likely (many jurors would convict no matter what they were told about the case).

    Rittenhouse’s lawyers chose to ditch the jury selection experts that Barnes lined up to help. They are pretty incompetent.

    There is still a slight chance the judge will declare a mistrial with prejudice.

  6. Wake up says:

    Prepare for Chimpouts.

  7. Some on the left are already criticizing the judge.

    Here is what I have been able to find out about the judge:

    1. He is the longest serving Circuit Court judge in Wisconsin. The terms are 10 years and at 75 he is halfway through a term.

    2. It is very common for judges in Wisconsin to retire before the end of their term. Schroeder, a Democrat, was appointed DA by a Democratic governor and later judge by a different Democratic governor.

    3. Schroeder is a lifelong Democrat who was active in politics in his younger days.

    4. Schroeder is a former cop, as well as a former DA.

    5. Schroeder is well known for protecting the rights of defendants.

    6. Schroeder is also known for tough sentencing.

    7. Schroeder is also known for not taking any \$#!+ is his court

    In other words, the way he had acted during this trial fits his reputation completely. Tough but fair.

    The irony is Schroeder is being called a conservative Republican because he is protecting the rights of a defendant.

    Read that last sentence again.

    I, personally, am a liberal (NOT woke) Democrat.
    I want to see justice, no matter how the chips may fall.
    I also believe judges should rein in prosecutorial misconduct and protect the rights of defendants, no matter what the color or political persuasion of the defendants may be.

    Many of my fellow Democrats usually believe in protecting the rights of the defendants unless the defendants are right wing whites. Many Republicans don’t seem to care about the rights of defendants unless the defendants are right wing whites.

    Those of us who are consistent appreciate Judge Schroeder no matter what color the defendants may be.

  8. Luzzatto says:
    @Anonymous

    I’ve never heard or seen domestic violence in an interracial relationship where the man is White and the woman is Black. It’s a lot safer for a Black woman to date a White man than it is for a White woman to date a Black man.

  9. D. K. says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    This claimed leak was from the tail end of the first day of jury deliberation:

  10. @jimmyriddle

    There is still a slight chance the judge will declare a mistrial with prejudice.

    Probably not, as the defense has now asked the judge to declare a mistrial *without* prejudice due to withholding/altering of evidence by the prosecution.

    Also, the judge can declare a mistrial *after* the verdict is rendered. Some speculate that the judge would like to see an acquittal on all charges, and if Rittenhouse is found guilty, would declare a mistrial without prejudice. That would force the state to try Rittenhouse again, kicking the can down the road a year or so.

    • Replies: @Technite78
    , @Prester John
  11. duncsbaby says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Conversely I’ve heard it said that a guilty verdict is often made quickly.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  12. D. K. says:
    @jimmyriddle

    According to the leaker, it is not exactly a matter of principle or conscience . . .

  13. Luzzatto says:
    @D. K.

    Why would they worry about their names being leaked when according to the Democrat run mainstream media Black Lives Matter/Antifa are I’d Like To Buy The World A Coke And Live In Harmony type pacifists who promote peace and non violence just like Mahatma Gandhi, so they would never physically harm the jurors if they vote to acquit Kyle Rittenhouse. The Democrat run mainstream media would never lie right?

    • LOL: Hibernian, TWS
  14. @Paleo Liberal

    “Many of my fellow Democrats usually believe in protecting the rights of the defendants unless the defendants are right wing whites.”

    Misleading statement. They don’t believe in protecting rights of white people, period, unless they’re a part of the LGBT community.

    “Many Republicans don’t seem to care about the rights of defendants unless the defendants are right wing whites.”

    This statement is a total lie. Republicans tend to be clueless about racial matters, and would rather go for the clear cut by the law case. In Rittenhouse’s case, it appears to be a simple matter of self-defense, therefore Republicans are in favor of Rittenhouse walking. If Rittenhouse were black, most Republicans would take the same stance. Color really isn’t a factor in their makeup. The fact that the Judge is acting in a tough but fair manner has given many out of state Republicans the impression that he leans toward the GOP, when as stated, he does not.

    • Replies: @Chester
    , @Reg Cæsar
  15. @D. K.

    I’m not saying the threat is not serious, D.K., but to those jurors: You can protect yourself, move far away if you have to, but you’ve got this kid’s future at stake. Is doing the right thing not a thing now?

    • Replies: @D. K.
    , @Alden
    , @Alfa158
  16. Luzzatto says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    In 2021 everybody who is to the political Right of the Cuban Commie from Los Angeles George Gascon, is a Conservative Republican.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Alden
  17. @D. K.

    That is a persuasion tactic on their part.

    It would have been quite easy for them to avoid selction by raising safety concerns. They can still choose to subbed out by claiming sickness.

    They want to crow to their friends and the media about putting Rittenhouse away.

  18. D. K. says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “I’m not saying the threat is not serious, D.K., but to those jurors: You can protect yourself, move far away if you have to, but you’ve got this kid’s future at stake. Is doing the right thing not a thing now?”

    Is that a rhetorical question?!? Derek Chauvin is in prison because a criminal overdosed in his presence.

    • Agree: AndrewR, TWS, Wade Hampton, NickG
    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  19. martin_2 says:

    How is it possible for the jury to deliberate for two days, at least concerning the most serious charges? The jurors have seen the videos with their own eyes. They don’t need a lawyer to tell them what happened. They are not blind. It is OBVIOUSLY self defense. It is OBVIOUS that Rittenhouse was not an “active shooter” on a rampage.

    Its like trying to argue that no planes hit the twin towers, despite the existence of several videos.

  20. Kronos says:
    @D. K.

    Chauvin unfortunately had exceptionally bad optics.

  21. D. K. says:
    @Kronos

    I am a paleo-liberal and a lifelong civil libertarian, and the restraint of George Floyd did not bother me in the least. If the ambulance had arrived on time, instead of getting lost, he would have lost consciousness en route to the hospital, instead of on the street. He had done the exact same thing, barely a year earlier, but had survived his overdose, then.

    • Agree: Redmen
    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @Luzzatto
  22. The trial is in Wisconsin. It’s got those kind of White people up near the Canadian border. Not good. And the jury is mostly female. So, the poor kid may be in trouble despite obviously being innocent.

    • Replies: @Etruscan Film Star
  23. @D. K.

    He has probably cost that US Marshal his job! Or her job. Or its job.

    Jury tampering on a major scale.

  24. Cortes says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Davenport will abide. And then chase down and “neutralize” doxxers and other vermin.

    “”Court Prey” can be pre-ordered in about five months.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  25. Art Deco says:

    I tend to be skeptical of Posobiec’s source since the account was attributed to a federal marshal and not a county bailiff. No clue what a federal marshal would be doing there. His source IIRC did not offer any information on the properties of the holdouts.

    Not my trade, but I’m going to wager there are in fact two holdouts and that they are women who have worked in education, social services, nursing, or child care. Supposedly, there are five men and seven women on this jury.

  26. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    That’s not what is meant by ‘jury tampering’.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  27. @D. K.

    Wait, so just convict the kid, then?

    I don’t doubt that you are right about what you wrote in reply to Kronos. Yes, that was some bad luck. I am not a cop, so I’m not sure what he could have done better at the point the hostile crowd started videoing.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  28. Kronos says:
    @D. K.

    Yeah, but the MSM was able to spin it to an astoundingly high degree. (Like I said, very bad optics.) They currently don’t have a “gotcha” photo/video of Rittenhouse that can be misconstrued to the level of Chauvin. They don’t like using Rittenhouse footage precisely because it possesses such a high self-defense factor.

    • Agree: Redmen
    • Replies: @J.Ross
  29. Fortunately the supply chain shortage hasn’t impacted the positioning of bricks for the upcoming rioting if Rittenhouse is acquitted.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/leftists-work-police-officer-finds-suspicious-pile-bricks-kenosha-back-alley-audio/

    Any pretense that the Feds couldn’t track down who did this is a lie.

  30. Tiny Duck says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Yep.

    They see the fact the domestic terrorist went in there with the intention to cause massive boduly harm and carnage.

    There is a reason ALL celebrties athletes public intellectuals media types and democratic politicians have come outin support of a Rittenhouse verdict.

    He is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of murder and must suffer the consequences.

    Black Lives Matter

    • LOL: Chester
  31. @Paleo Liberal

    I want to see justice, no matter how the chips may fall.

    But of course, there’s no such thing as perfect justice. For example, real justice would involve things like bringing a murdered person back to life. Merely convicting a murderer hardly restores things to the way they were.

    Beyond that, isn’t it a bit autistic to be so passionate about Rules in the Sky, without regard to where the chips fall? There are real winners and losers in life. Why shouldn’t you be on a side? Doesn’t your whole existence owe itself to people who were on the side of your ancestors in the past?

    • Agree: Negrolphin Pool
    • Replies: @Chester
  32. @Art Deco

    In absence of knowledge, with you on Posobiec’s source skepticism. What’s a US Marshal have to do with this? Nothing.

    Not my trade, but I’m going to wager there are in fact two holdouts and that they are women who have worked in education, social services, nursing, or child care. Supposedly, there are five men and seven women on this jury.

    Maybe it’s a bad idea to have women on juries. Specifically on juries where the case has nothing to do with women.

    On a “do the facts line up”–establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt–men are more logical, better, per IQ point. In a case like this where there’s some situational matter to be parsed, most guys can put themselves in the situation and think “Was what he did reasonable?”, “Would i have done something better that was obvious, that he should have done?” For Rittenhouse most guys will conclude the obvious: The rioters caused the killings by chasing and attacking this kid and Kyle did a reasonable–and amazingly competent–job of defending himself.

    • Agree: Redmen
    • Replies: @Redmen
    , @Art Deco
    , @Reg Cæsar
  33. Barnard says:
    @D. K.

    Based on another report I read, most courtroom observers believe it is two women who have been wearing masks the entire trial. If poor Kyle had drawn different numbers this could all be over already. What more do they need to see in order to do the right thing and acquit on all charges?

    • Replies: @Mina Horowitz
  34. CCZ says:

  35. Gordo says:

    Fiat justitia, ruat caelum. Hopefully.

  36. RobinG says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Did you coin the term Paleo Liberal? Has a nice ring to it. How long have you used it?

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  37. RobinG says:
    @Art Deco

    I tend to be skeptical of Posobiec. He and Mike Cernovich are known fabricators. [Anonymous source…. give me a break.]

    • Agree: Paperback Writer
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @D. K.
  38. Jack D says:
    @D. K.

    File under “Shit that didn’t happen”. What’s a US Marshal doing listening in on jury deliberations at a state trial?

    It’s not unreasonable to guess that the jury is divided because the deliberations are taking so long but beyond that I would take any speculation with a grain of salt. Just wait and see and we’ll know soon enough.

    On Wednesday, the defense team asked for a mistrial without prejudice based on the fact that they had received a compressed version of the drone footage while the prosecution had a high res version (the prosecution claims this was an unintentional artifact of the video being emailed from an iPhone to an Android device and not an intentional ploy to deprive the defense of evidence). The fact that they are willing to settle for a mistrial (which would lead to another trial) does not indicate a high degree of optimism.

    As I said before (and some people here are clearly so emotionally invested that they can’t hear this) while to some people here who get their information only from conservative media it seems like Rittenhouse is utterly and clearly innocent (while MSM devotees see him as guilty, guilty, guilty for the same reason), the jury has a more nuanced picture. Imagine that Kyle Rittenhouse was the dead guy and Rosenbaum had shot him (everything else being the same) and I’ll bet that you wouldn’t be shouting that it was justifiable self defense.

  39. @Anonymous

    Excellent advice!

    But sir, may I ask you to stop using such racially charged phrases as “beating the tar.” I might conclude that they had themselves a tar baby.

  40. nebulafox says:

    As a former crazy intermittent transient myself who has lived near proto-Antifa types in the past, I can confirm this is the case. In a way, taking advantage of non-evil crazy people while simultaneously utilizing the evil ones makes Antifa even more disgusting than you already knew they were.

    BTW, this guy’s take on this case and why it matters so much is *really* good: go to his Substack and listen if you have a spare hour. I do believe this trial has historical significance.

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Danindc
    , @Rob
  41. nebulafox says:
    @Jack D

    >he jury has a more nuanced picture

    I’ll bet rocks against gold that the majority want to acquit and there’s a few AWFL holdouts that want to convict no matter what the truth is, and are trying to drag it out.

    I could be wrong, but I don’t think I am.

    >Imagine that Kyle Rittenhouse was the dead guy and Rosenbaum had shot him (everything else being the same) and I’ll bet that you wouldn’t be shouting that it was justifiable self defense.

    It wouldn’t have happened. Why?

    Because shockingly enough, Kyle Rittenhouse isn’t a mentally deranged pedophile who is crazy enough to charge an AR-15 armed guy he’d threatened to rip the heart out earlier, *and lunge for the gun*. That’s the sort of thing it takes a “special” kind of brain to think is a good idea.

    There’s no nuance or “both sides” to this particular case.

  42. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    Imagine that Kyle Rittenhouse was the dead guy and Rosenbaum had shot him (everything else being the same) and I’ll bet that you wouldn’t be shouting that it was justifiable self defense.

    Sure, if the circumstances and people were completely other than they were, then the interpretation of of events would be other than it is. Things aren’t the same when they are different.

    • Thanks: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Jack D
  43. @Jack D

    File under “Shit that didn’t happen”. What’s a US Marshal doing listening in on jury deliberations at a state trial?

    Posobiec is a midwit conservative grifter who makes a living writing junk like that. Not to be trusted.

    It’s not unreasonable to guess that the jury is divided because the deliberations are taking so long but beyond that I would take any speculation with a grain of salt. Just wait and see and we’ll know soon enough.

    Because of OJ people think that juries always come to snap decisions.

    On Wednesday, the defense team asked for a mistrial without prejudice based on the fact that they had received a compressed version of the drone footage while the prosecution had a high res version (the prosecution claims this was an unintentional artifact of the video being emailed from an iPhone to an Android device and not an intentional ploy to deprive the defense of evidence). The fact that they are willing to settle for a mistrial (which would lead to another trial) does not indicate a high degree of optimism.

    OK, but here’s another thing. There have been a lot of instant experts about what’s going on in that court – I’m not saying you’re doing that here, but just saying that maybe the defense knows something about Schroeder we don’t. That he doesn’t like being nagged or pushed. That he’s smart enough to understand what’s going on. Ball’s in his court. Schroeder could order the mistrial with prejudice on his own.

    But even if there’s a mistrial without prejudice, the trial of Joshua Ziminski for arson is happening next month. After that’s concluded and he’s convicted, or takes a plea, anything he says is admissible because the 5th no longer applies. So there’s that.

    As I said before (and some people here are clearly so emotionally invested that they can’t hear this)

    Posobiec idolized Schroeder until jury deliberations. Then Schroeder turned into a coward who was intimidated by the media.

  44. Jack D says:
    @nebulafox

    The quote is a literal non sequitur –

    Do you ever wonder why so many Antifa rioters turn out to be X? It’s because … most of its foot soldiers are X.

    This doesn’t explain at all why Antifa attracts degenerates.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  45. nebulafox says:
    @Jack D

    Actually read the thread. The relatively numerically small SWPL-esque ideologues, bankrolled by billionaires, pay them to do what they do. There’s specific amounts of money attached to this or that action. The more risk, the more cash.

    Naturally, this attracts amoral degenerates and bullies who enjoy violence for the sake of it. But it also attracts people who have been hollowed out by addiction and have little realistic prospect of saying no to a quick \$50.

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  46. Jack D says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Then Schroeder turned into a coward who was intimidated by the media.

    Right and if Rittenhouse is convicted and Schroeder gives him a long sentence (Schroeder is known to conduct scrupulously fair trials but once the jury convicts you he hands out a scrupulously fair (i.e. long) sentence for the offense you have been convicted of – no slaps on the wrist for serious crimes) then overnight he will go from being a villain to being a hero of the Left. Everyone is into “who-whom” – it’s just easier to see the hypocrisy on the other side.

    • Agree: Paperback Writer
  47. All I know is that if Kyle survives this ordeal, he can retire early and spend the rest of his life reviewing the meme content he generated.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  48. @Jonathan Mason

    Reckless endangerment. One count. Then it’s time for appellate court fun!

  49. Redmen says:
    @Kronos

    Agree. But Chauvin’s conviction for murder was patently absurd. Only case of its kind in US history. Cops are rarely even convicted for negligent homicide or manslaughter. This one for murder was sui generis.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  50. Redmen says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Isn’t this in state court? There wouldn’t be any US Marshals there.

    • Replies: @Alden
  51. @Paperback Writer

    Because of OJ people think that juries always come to snap decisions.

    How true.

    The instructions to the jury were over 35 pages long. It takes a while to even get through that kind of document, and understand it. Then the hard part of looking through the evidence begins.

    Since the jury took the time to look at a video again yesterday, it may well be they are taking their time to examine all the information, which could take a while.

    Posobiec idolized Schroeder until jury deliberations. Then Schroeder turned into a coward who was intimidated by the media.

    Schroeder has been on the bench over 40 years. On the local Wisconsin evening news yesterday, I heard an interview with a local Kenosha attorney who basically said this is Schroeder being Schroeder. He has run his courts the same way decade after decade. Many outsiders are coming to their own snap decisions about Schroeder.

    As I mentioned before, the local attorney said Schroeder takes defendants’ rights extremely seriously, tries to be as fair as possible to the defendant, and then, if the defendant is found guilty, gives harsher sentences than other judges might.

    In other words, there is probably no judge in the state who would give a fairer trial to Rittenhouse. But, if Rittenhouse is convicted, perhaps of lesser charges, and there is no mistrial, we are talking about serious prison time.

  52. Redmen says:
    @AnotherDad

    There’s also the stark contrast of the slow witted Grosskreutz (who basically had to admit his testimony on direct was bs after he was shown on cross the photo of him pointing his gun at Rittenhouse…oops) to the sensible sounding Rittenhouse who described the scene and events eloquently (for an 18 y/o kid) and sympathetically.

    My wife is a tough one (and unfortunately leans slightly left of center), but even she was moved by the Rittenhouse testimony. At least she found him credible and honest.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  53. Alden says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I usually agree with you.

    But Think about the finances of just picking up and moving away. Most people live pay check to paycheck. You’d have to quit your job. As the liberals could find you even if working remotely 200 miles away. You’d have to support your kids and take spouse with you. Who would also have to quit their job Hotels. eating out costs much more than staying at home. In some areas renters need better credit ratings than home buyers.
    And BLM anti fa has all the resources of the internet and government agencies such as DMV kids school post office change of address. Plus internet access to utilities customers bank information credit cards.

    It’s not that easy.

    • Agree: Liza, TWS, HammerJack
    • Replies: @Goddard
  54. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous

    Why do women of non-color date black men?

  55. Catdog says:
    @Jack D

    As I said before (and some people here are clearly so emotionally invested that they can’t hear this) while to some people here who get their information only from conservative media it seems like Rittenhouse is utterly and clearly innocent (while MSM devotees see him as guilty, guilty, guilty for the same reason), the jury has a more nuanced picture.

    Have you even been watching the trial? The prosecution has totally blown it. The CVS and sister fight videos weren’t admitted. The facts that Rosenbaum had a prison history and his bipolar disorder were admitted due to prosecutor screwups. Prosecution witnesses have said things prosecution was definitely not expecting, like Grosskrutz admitting that Kyle only shot him after Grosskrutz chambered a round and pointed the glock at him. Rittenhouse supporters weren’t even expecting the trial to go this well. I thought the prosecution surely had some sort of evidence, but they didn’t.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  56. @Paleo Liberal

    Many of my fellow Democrats usually believe in protecting the rights of the defendants unless the defendants are right wing whites. Many Republicans don’t seem to care about the rights of defendants unless the defendants are right wing whites.

    That really sums up our situation when it comes to the public. Meanwhile, the politicians on both sides are colluding to destroy us. Case in point: the Biden “infrastructure” bill that enough Republicans voted for to guarantee passage. Will they face any bad consequences from their Republican colleagues? Fat chance, because the Republicans don’t really have a problem with passing it. Their only problem was who could vote to get it passed without paying for it at the polls. That kind of thing happens all the time. I know. I used to work in the Senate.

  57. @Paleo Liberal

    A lawyer saying nice things about a judge who hears his cases.

    I know nothing about this judge, but if he’s anything like nearly all of the judges I’ve seen (e.g. big supporters of public education), let’s just say that I don’t see it your way.

  58. @Art Deco

    That’s not what is meant by ‘jury tampering’.

    Jury tampering is the crime of unduly attempting to influence the composition and/or decisions of a jury during the course of a trial.

    The means by which this crime could be perpetrated can include [that] jurors could be bribed or intimidated to act in a certain manner on duty. It could also involve making unauthorized contact with them for the purpose of introducing prohibited outside information and then arguing for a mistrial. [Wikipedia.]

    I don’t know to what extent the jury is being held incommunicado with the outside world, but if even one juror got a whiff of this tweet saying that the marshal was giving inside information about the jury room arguments for publication to the whole world, then the jurors would know that the marshal guarding them is a snitch, and, yes, this could influence the eventual decisions of the jury. For example whether to hold out for a hung jury on one or more charges, or to give in to intimidation.

    Even if it is not true, this guy Posobiec (whomever he is) could well end up in prison for trying to influence the jury.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    , @Curle
  59. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    You keep offering this mess, JackD, but I check up on blawgers who are experienced trial lawyers and they’re saying the case is not ambiguous at all.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Bill Jones
  60. Alden says:
    @Art Deco

    A federal marshal could have been hanging around the courthouse. Probably spying for FBI BLM Anti fa. Or some reasonable purpose.

    But anyone but a court bailiff specifically assigned to the jury should not have been in a place to hear about what was going on in the jury room.

    Federal Marshalls are heavily black. The organization was greatly expanded shortly after the 1968 affirmative action act. And mostly 4 AMs were hired. And the practice has continued.

    4 AM affirmative action african american moron

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  61. Ragno says:
    @Kronos

    Don’t forget James Fields, pulling a 419-year sentence because a grossly obese woman who was a walking cardiac risk decided to join the “fun” and help gang-attack a moving car.

    Had Fields been pulled out of that car and murdered, rest assured no one would have done a lick of jail time. No matter how many legal loopholes would have been required to dismiss all charges.

    • Agree: TWS, HammerJack
  62. @Paperback Writer

    The charges against Ziminski are just one of many examples of the dishonesty and viciousness of the prosecution. They charged him so that he couldn’t be given immunity from prosecution in return for testimony. And they delayed his trial to guarantee that he wouldn’t testify.

    They knew that if he DID testify, it would turn out to be extremely helpful to the defense, even more so than Exploded Bicep Man, the convicted criminal Gage Grosskreutz who admitted on the stand that Rittenhouse didn’t shoot until Grosskreutz pulled a 9mm on him.

    The deception about the drone footage is another example. Then there are the examples of Binger brazenly violating Rittenhouse’s 5th Amendment rights by bringing up his silence. Etc. The list goes on and on.

    In any case, the Ziminski case will not result in any justice. Just you wait.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  63. @Jack D

    The fact that they are willing to settle for a mistrial (which would lead to another trial) does not indicate a high degree of optimism.

    Indeed it does not, considering that many people believe that the prosecution has made a complete balls-up of its case. Next time they might put on a better show.

    Also, fwiiw, the jury has seen the high-res video which it is claimed (by some) clearly exonerates Rittenhouse by showing something that is not apparent in the compressed version of the video.

    Or does the defense want to wait to see what the verdict is and then ask for a go-over with a different jury if they don’t like the verdict?

    • Replies: @Redmen
  64. Alden says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Gossiping about what a jury is doing in the jury room is not jury tampering . Everybody gossips about what a jury does. We on UNZ and millions are doing that right now.

    Does you computer not have a search engine so you can type in “ jury tampering American state of Wisconsin “ ? And “jury tampering American law”?

  65. Alfa158 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Two Antifa were killed and one wounded. Moving away won’t work, Antifa are active throughout the West and the authorities are indifferent to their activities, when not actively supportive. Antifa will find you and the police will be ordered to stay out of it.
    It is a little easy telling people in danger that they have to suck it up and charge that hill. Luckily I’m 1500 miles away and even if I was a local I wouldn’t have been selected for that jury, so I’m not forced to make the decision of Justice or my own neck. I would hope I would make the right decision but I shudder to think it wouldn’t be easy.

    • Agree: Gordo
  66. @Art Deco

    Not my trade, but I’m going to wager there are in fact two holdouts and that they are women who have worked in education, social services, nursing, or child care.

    So people who have years of experience of dealing with matters of life and death and dealing with juvenile delinquents every day are somehow less qualified to understand matters of life and death? Interesting theory.

  67. Elsewhere says:
    @Jack D

    A mistrial with prejudice means that the case cannot be tried again.

  68. @D. K.

    ‘According to the leaker, it is not exactly a matter of principle or conscience . . .’

    We could do a politically-correct remake of Twelve Angry Men!

    • Replies: @Ian M.
  69. @Jonathan Mason

    ‘So people who have years of experience of dealing with matters of life and death and dealing with juvenile delinquents every day are somehow less qualified to understand matters of life and death? Interesting theory.’

    Hypocritical shit.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon, Chester
  70. @Alfa158

    Nope, I never said it’d be easy. I have a family, and I understand what one might have reason to worry about. Unless I’m missing something about the case, though, I know what I’d do.

  71. @Alfa158

    ‘Antifa will find you and the police will be ordered to stay out of it.
    It is a little easy telling people in danger that they have to suck it up and charge that hill. ‘

    Enough people just need to stand up. All over provincial Oregon, mobs chased Antifa out of small towns. The media hid it — but it happened.

    The problem Kyle Rittenhouse had was that not enough people stood up with him. Here, there were several hundred armed men waiting. Antifa just kept going…

  72. res says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Some on the left are already criticizing the judge.

    The drumbeat of articles undermining the judge in my newsfeed has been going on for a while now.

    Here is what I have been able to find out about the judge:

    Thanks.

  73. @Jonathan Mason

    Read what AnotherDad had to say about it. I agree with him.

  74. JimDandy says:

    It’s been reported that two “mask Karen” female jurors are holding things up. They know Kyle is innocent, but don’t want to face the backlash after an acquittal. I saw video of George Floyd’s nephew (or something like that) telling the world that BLM operatives are photographing the jurors and they’d better find Kyle guilty–or else. The MSM has openly lied throughout the trial. The president’s proxy refers to Kyle as a vigilante. And on and on and on.

    America is a despicable country.

    • Agree: Kylie
  75. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    So people who have years of experience of dealing with matters of life and death and dealing with juvenile delinquents every day are somehow less qualified to understand matters of life and death? Interesting theory.

    No, people who are attracted to certain sorts of work have certain sorts of biases, especially those willing to sit through BEd and MEd programs. I have no clue why you fancy three of these four occupational categories deal with ‘matters of life and death’, nor why working in a nursing home gives you some insight into street battles. There were no juvenile delinquents present and suburban elementary school teachers do not see many such characters in any case.

  76. Brutusale says:
    @Jack D

    The defense team had already asked for a mistrial WITH prejudice. Schroeder hasn’t ruled on it yet.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  77. SafeNow says:

    Regarding the prosecution’s arguing Kyle’s silence prior to trial, Schroeder said “you’re on the edge.” What ever became of that? Aren’t there, like, legal cases on stuff, and the judge orders the attorneys to brief “the edge” for him? And then he knows all about the edge and what to do. I have the same qualm about the two-videos issue; is he seat-of-his-pantsing it? He does that? He’s burned-out on research? He figures let the appellate court worry about research, they have law clerks?

  78. @Jonathan Mason

    More like years of causing the problems in the first place. Mobsters shouldn’t sit on juries in mob cases, arsonists on arson cases, or, most relevantly, child abusers on child abuse cases.

    • Agree: Escher
  79. After two days and half, it is increasingly clear this is going to be a mistrial via jury deadlock.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  80. And don’t forget Sines versus Kessler……The verdict in this trial will have monumental consequences for free speech…A guilty verdict and the ADL will determine who has free speech in America…

    Things are connected. If the Ukraine Nazis commit more gruesome atrocities in Donbass…The Russian Military will slaughter the Ukraine Military with extreme viciousness…The US Military at high risk in the Ukraine will up for annihilation. The Russian Military will be monumentally impressive…This will force a rethinking of worshipping Jew Power in American…

  81. Ralph L says:

    Billy Gribbin
    @BillyGribbin
    Incredible that we’re waiting to see if riots break out because of media lies about a case from a riot that happened because of media lies.

    • LOL: Cool Daddy Jimbo
  82. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    If that’s true, the jury should have come back already. These same blawgers though that OJ was guilty for sure and, after a 253 day trial, it took the jury only 4 hours to come back with not guilty.

    Every jury trial is a crap shoot. You never know how the jury will come back. You might think that the jury will be persuaded by the evidence and the arguments but maybe all they care about is racial solidarity or maybe they are just going on pure emotion. The evidence just exists to allow people to rationalize what they believe already. If both sides really knew, they would have settled on a plea bargain. So these blawgers are just speculating – they don’t know and neither does anyone else.

    But going on day 3, the tea leaves point to the jury being divided on one or more charges (doesn’t mean that the holdouts might not be persuaded at some point). Divided how? 10 to 2 in favor? 10 to 2 against? 6 and 6? On which charges? No one really knows. Anyone who says any more than that is just talking out of their ass.

  83. Jack D says:
    @Brutusale

    Kyle Rittenhouse’s defense lawyers asked Judge Bruce Schroeder for a mistrial ‘without prejudice’ Wednesday

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/rittenhouse-defense-demands-mistrial-drone-video-evidence

    On Tuesday they asked for one with prejudice, so they’ve now asked both ways. Their chances of getting a mistrial with prejudice (can’t be retried) are low and they know it.

  84. Danindc says:
    @nebulafox

    That Martyr made guy occasionalky makes some good point But he tries to stay in the good graces of mainstream media. So he can’t be trusted.

  85. Art Deco says:
    @AnotherDad

    I have a suspicion that female jurors are more likely to get sidetracked into discussions of unimportant or irrelevant features of the case, but that’s a guess. My aunt was a foreman of a grand jury in Westchester County, NY for a period in 1995. She said one problem on her panel was that there was a caucus of loudmouths who voted with each other and made snap judgments outside the scope of the grand jury’s function. About five guys. That’s problem from the other direction.

    One problem, and I suspect it’s severe with women in the occupational groups I mentioned, is a phenomenon that Camille Paglia identified some time ago. She noted that she’d had some car trouble and broke down on a highway around Philadelphia. She was able to call for help, and someone arrives with a truck, transports her and her vehicle to a repair shop, where they fix the problem. She said every single person who worked to get her car back on the road was male, and that the purveyors of journalistic-academic feminism are dead to the social reality encoded in that situation. What makes your life comfortable and livable doesn’t grow out of the soil unbidden. People make it happen.

    This is so with regard to public order and protective services. These require people with high risk tolerance. The people who proceed as if public order requires no active agent do no appreciate people with high risk tolerance and what they bring to a situation. This is what you see when you get people kvetching (irrelevantly) that Kyle shouldn’t have been there. Well, bloody someone had to be there. You cannot properly complain that it should have been professional law enforcement, because they stood down when told to do so. You cannot properly complain about Kyle’s age. Youths of Kyle’s age went into the service in 1942 and helped win the war. Somewhat insulated, highly risk-averse, and naturally officious people don’t think of this unbidden and some of them get on a hamster wheel when they’re confronted with something that goes against their emotions-driven opinion.

  86. JimDandy says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    And that’s an interesting way of describing two despicably-selfish, cowardly sheep without a shred of honor between them.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  87. Huisache says:

    If you believe there might be error you object to preserve the error for appeal if necessary. If you don’t object you have waived the point. So you object to everything that might help later

    The fact that the judge has not ruled on the prosecutor’s comment on the defendant’s prior silence is a roar to me——if the jury doesn’t do the right thing then he will

  88. @Jack D

    You never know how the jury will come back. You might think that the jury will be persuaded by the evidence and the arguments but maybe all they care about is racial solidarity or maybe they are just going on pure emotion. The evidence just exists to allow people to rationalize what they believe already.

    Bingo! Just like the Supreme Court, in fact.

  89. Luzzatto says:
    @D. K.

    You are not a Libertarian, stop lying. I don’t know any Libertarian who believes a handcuffed George Floyd who was no longer a physical threat and could nor swing his fists at Derek Chauvin should have had a knee on his neck for 9 minutes. Any Libertarian will tell you that’s an authoritarian abuse of power. The only people who believe the knee on the neck for 9 minutes is justified is White Supremacists and Far Right Social Conservative Paleocons.

    The Godfather Of Libertarianism Ron Paul would never side with Derek Chauvin.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @D. K.
    , @Redmen
  90. @Art Deco

    a caucus of loudmouths who voted with each other and made snap judgments outside the scope of the grand jury’s function.

    The elitist, lawyer-DAs believe that it’s their magisterial (divine!) right to take a GJ where, and only where, they want. How dare independent-minded jurors take the proceedings in some other direction!

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  91. @Almost Missouri

    All I know is that if Kyle survives this ordeal, he can retire early and spend the rest of his life reviewing the meme content he generated.

    Like Nicholas Sandmann.

  92. TWS says:
    @Jack D

    You’re asking if I would be cool with an insane child rapist shooting a child under any circumstances? Bold strategy cotton.

  93. J.Ross says:
    @Kronos

    I have an incriminating photo of Kyle, here, let me compress it and send it to you.
    https://postimg.cc/y3XN539w
    Did you get that?

    • Replies: @Kronos
  94. Luzzatto says:
    @Jack D

    Having a 100% all Black racially homogenous juror pool for the OJ Simpson trial should have been illegal because it no way accurately represents the diverse racial demographics of Los Angeles County.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Jack D
  95. @Anonymous

    Toll paid. If she was dumb enough to get with a sub-human, she deserves what she gets. No sympathy for mud sharks.

    • Agree: Kylie, Bardon Kaldian
  96. PassingBy says:

    Speaking of jury tampering, the judge got p.o.ed that NBC was following the jury bus. So he threw NBC and MSNBC out of the courthouse. NBC has issued a weak apology.

    • Replies: @Luzzatto
    , @Mina Horowitz
  97. @Jack D

    ‘…then overnight he will go from being a villain to being a hero of the Left.’

    Hopefully we’ll never know, but I’m quite sure you’d turn out to be wrong. Barring him making a full confession and agreeing to undergo gender reassignment, Kyle Rittenhouse is never going to become a ‘hero of the Left.’

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  98. @Alfa158

    Outside of major cities, ANTIFA doesn’t get much traction. Especially in states where every other man probably has a handgun on his body and a long gun in the truck.

    • Replies: @Luzzatto
    , @Alden
  99. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    You now deliberately misunderstand me. The blawgers are familiar with juries. They’re evaluating the cases presented.

  100. @Art Deco

    The last thing Jack D and his ilk want is for White people to defend themselves.

  101. @Jonathan Mason

    MSNBC hauled over for running a red while following the juror bus home last night (or a juror, confusing accounts). Claimed he’d been ordered to do it by some woman boss in head office.
    Arrested. I think the cops were tailing this idiot all along and decided enough was enough after the lights.
    Now that’s what I call jury tampering.

    Is meeja trying to keep the dripping roast turning by forcing a mistrial, but without prettyjuice?
    So they can feast again at the next showtrial.

    • Agree: JimDandy
  102. Roger says:

    Jump Kick Man has been identified. He turns out to be a 40-year-old Black man with a criminal record.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @Luzzatto
    , @D. K.
  103. @Luzzatto

    ‘Having a 100% all Black racially homogenous juror pool for the OJ Simpson trial should have been illegal because it no way accurately represents the diverse racial demographics of Los Angeles County.’

    In my opinion, blacks shouldn’t be allowed to serve on juries under any circumstances.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  104. JimDandy says:
    @Roger

    WHAT??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! SHOCKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  105. Tiny Duck says:
    @AndrewR

    They like masculinity lare genitals muscles athleticism and creativity

    • Replies: @PassingBy
    , @TWS
  106. Luzzatto says:
    @PassingBy

    NBC/MSNBC trying to get jurors murdered. NBC/MSNBC are a thug “news” organization.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  107. @AnotherDad

    Maybe it’s a bad idea to have women on juries. Specifically on juries where the case has nothing to do with women.

    In some states, particularly Louisiana and Missouri*, women are only on juries because of two Supreme Court decisions in the 1970s. Ruth Bader Ginsburg argued the second; it was her last before her appointment to the bench.

    She was driven by “equity feminism”, but her clients had a different motive– defense attorneys want more women on juries because they are less apt to convict.

    But wait… why would they be more apt to convict in this particular case?

    Answer:

    [MORE]

    Because they view Rosenbaum, Huber, and Grosskreutz as the real defendants. In a sense, they are.

    *Why those two states, and why two cases at SCOTUS? Jury duty was optional for women in a lot of states. By the mid-70s, other legislatures had changed these statutes. These two states’ could not because it was baked into their constitutions. Amendment would have to go directly to the voters, who were in no mood for change.

    It took two cases because Louisiana’s policy was opt-in while Missouri’s was opt-out, which survived the first case. Here are those cases:

    https://www.oyez.org/cases/1974/73-5744
    https://www.oyez.org/cases/1978/77-6067

    LexisNexis calls this “systematic exclusion”. But the exclusion wasn’t the states, but the women’s own. “Her body, her choice!”

    https://www.lexisnexis.com/community/casebrief/p/casebrief-duren-v-missouri

    If women are on juries, someone has to watch the kids. You don’t want this to happen:

    Michigan Daycare Loses Its License After a Child Was Put Into a Dryer

    • Replies: @RobinG
  108. @George Rockwell

    In the OJ case, this is a point on which black women and white men agreed. But only the former felt free to say so out loud.

  109. @Colin Wright

    Jack was referring to Judge Schroeder.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  110. @Technite78

    8.2 hours and still waiting for moderation on a comment that was made in the first hour this thread was open. In the meantime, it looks like around 80 other comments have made it through moderation after I posted. Not much motivation to contribute, although maybe that’s intentional.

  111. Luzzatto says:
    @Roger

    Almost all of them have criminal records. A Black Lives Matter member who does not have a criminal record is more rare than an Irish person who has brown eyes.

  112. JimDandy says:
    @Kronos

    Which is a death sentence in a clip-culture.

    • Agree: Kronos
  113. True story: the dumbest lawyer I ever knew, was New York tribesman who for some reason got his law degree in Wisconsin. Make of that what you will.

  114. @Jonathan Mason

    There are probably one or two hold-outs who see it as their duty, as part of the ‘right side of history’ war they perceive themselves as being in, to put him behind bars no matter what the evidence says.

  115. PassingBy says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Stacy did show a lot of creativity in furniture rearrangement. I’m not sure about the “lare genitals,” though. Sounds like a painful groin condition.

  116. Luzzatto says:
    @Chris Mallory

    Kenosha is not a major city yet it’s full of Antifa members. Wisconsin is closer in political ideology to Deep Blue Minnesota than it is to Deep Red Indiana.

  117. @Barnard

    White women again showing themselves to be white men’s worst enemies. It’s hard to understand how white genes make white men the greatest inventors, explorers, most helpful, charitable, nice, hard-working individuals in the world (of course there are exceptions but on average, the white man is the best of humanity), whereas white women possess none of the abilities that allowed white men to invent the modern world, their main contribution being breeding the boys, and yet have this supreme air of entitlement and think the world is theirs to shape. These two masked white women are school marms gone wild, church ladies out to punish at all costs. They do not care about facts or logic.

  118. It’s in the 30’s during the day and into the low 20’s at night, and it was 3 “White” guys who got shot. I wouldn’t expect mass riots; the likes you only see with blacks. There will be some Antifa (FBI) shenanigans no doubt, but I don’t think they’ll be able to conjure the demons from Mordor this time of year in WI.

  119. @PassingBy

    Google this, absolutely no major media is covering it other than Fox News. All the news are from independent or local news outlets. Worth pointing out because it really is stunning. This should be front-page news. Can you imagine if Fox or Breitbart had done this? CNN, NBC, WaPo, etc etc etc would be blasting it as breaking news and an affront to basic rights.

  120. @Jack D

    I think I clicked too quickly – Schroeder will probably never be a hero to the left. They’ll just move on to their next triumph, smirking.

    BTW, about that evidence, this guy is very pro-Kyle but he’s way smarter than Poso:

  121. riches says:

    Which is worse? The waste-of-pixels drivel that commenter
    “Mason” somehow manages to convey or his EAASL-level attempts to do so?

    This thread’s example: “this guy Posobiec (whomever he is) could well end …”

    Ok, I’m only pointing this out because it was too low-hanging fruit for Reg to bother.

  122. Goddard says:
    @Alden

    Most people live pay check to paycheck.

    Many people are not even living paycheck to paycheck. They’re living today on tomorrow’s paycheck; i.e., they are in debt.

    Normie Americans are in a weak position, much of it of our own making. Like all Americans, we have slipped in the self-discipline department.

    I’m not saying you have to have fuck you money in order to stand up to the crazies. I am saying that if more Normie Americans were not in debt, fattied up, tattied up, and in numerous other ways wedded to the system, then they would have an easier time standing up to Lefty.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  123. @Bizarro World Observer

    The charges against Ziminski are just one of many examples of the dishonesty and viciousness of the prosecution.

    Vicious yes, dishonest…? I don’t see how this is dishonest.

    They knew that if he DID testify, it would turn out to be extremely helpful to the defense, even more so than Exploded Bicep Man, the convicted criminal Gage Grosskreutz who admitted on the stand that Rittenhouse didn’t shoot until Grosskreutz pulled a 9mm on him.

    Then why didn’t the defense call him?

    In any case, the Ziminski case will not result in any justice. Just you wait.

    I will wait. Don’t be so sure. His trial would have been a local arson case of no interest to anyone. Now it’s of great interest to everyone especially if Kyle is convicted. He “lost” the pistol, shaved his head, shaved his beard, dyed the goatee black – why? Because he’s dumb AF. He’s going to be eviscerated on the stand, if he takes the stand. I can see him copping a plea. But even that will help Kyle on appeal, if it should come to that. The appeal will have to focus on how this hardened criminal set in motion the events that Kyle was responding to.

  124. RobinG says:
    @Luzzatto

    No “True Libertarian…”

    LOL.

  125. @jimmyriddle

    court security is not allowed to listen in to jury deliberations. jury is instructed to not discuss the case with anyone outside of open court. it
    is a fabricated story and a lie

    • Replies: @Moses
    , @Ed Case
  126. D. K. says:
    @Luzzatto

    “You are not a Libertarian, stop lying. I don’t know any Libertarian who believes a handcuffed George Floyd who was no longer a physical threat and could nor swing his fists at Derek Chauvin should have had a knee on his neck for 9 minutes. Any Libertarian will tell you that’s an authoritarian abuse of power. The only people who believe the knee on the neck for 9 minutes is justified is White Supremacists and Far Right Social Conservative Paleocons.”

    I did not say that I am a Libertarian; I said that I am “a lifelong civil libertarian.” I am sorry that you are incapable of understanding and appreciating the difference.

    George Parry is apparently someone, besides myself, whom you accuse of being a “White Supremacist” and “Far Right [sic] Social Conservative [sic] Paleocon”:

    ***

    GEORGE PARRY ON WHY PROSECUTORS MESSED UP IN THE GEORGE FLOYD CASE

    I want to remove emotion out of what is a very dramatic and emotional topic. My goal is always to go by the book–The Constitution. The death of George Floyd in May 2020, ripped apart my city of Minneapolis, started a movement, and left four officers charged with murder. As a lawyer, the term murder isn’t one I take lightly nor should it be taken lightly by the public. When an article written by former prosecutor George Parry was sent to me, I had to talk with him about his assessment that none of the officers in the Floyd case should have been charged. In fact, he says the case involves prosecutorial misconduct.

    After a phone call to assess whether George Parry was a conspiracy theorist or sane, I booked him on my radio show, REAL Talk with Roshini, on WCCO Radio. Parry is from Philadelphia and has no connection to Minnesota. His analysis of the medical examiner’s report and how the prosecution came to charges seemed truly credible, especially because Parry himself is a former federal prosecutor. For five years, he was chief of the Police Brutality and Misconduct Unit in the Philadelphia District Attorney’s Office. Parry reviewed the police officer body cam video, studied the ME’s report, and used his own knowledge of the law and police practice for his assessment. You can listen to our conversation from September 20 here or watch it on the Facebook segment that aired live at the same time.

    Prior to my conversation with him, Parry’s assessment spread across three articles for the American Spectator publication. Those articles inspired filmmaker Fleming Fuller to make a documentary with Parry as narrator. That documentary was talked about for the first time during my conversation on Sept 20 with Parry. View the full documentary here.

    ***

    https://roshinigroup.com/2020/10/george-parry-on-why-prosecutors-messed-up-in-the-george-floyd-case/

    ***

    https://spectator.org/chauvin-floyd-cause-of-death/

    https://spectator.org/derek-chauvin-guilty-plea/

    https://spectator.org/derek-chauvin-trial-minneapolis/

    https://spectator.org/george-floyd-documentary/

    https://spectator.org/minnesota-v-derek-chauvin-et-al-the-prosecutions-dirty-little-secret/

    https://spectator.org/george-floyd-police-training-minneapolis/

    https://spectator.org/george-floyd-death-toxicology-report/

    ***

    “The Godfather Of Libertarianism Ron Paul would never side with Derek Chauvin.”

    Here is the only Ron Paul column on Unz.com that I could find on the issue:

    https://www.unz.com/rpaul/police-problems-embrace-liberty/

    ***

    Many Americans saw former policeman Derek Chauvin’s conviction on all counts last week as affirming the principle that no one is above the law. Many others were concerned that the jury was scared that anything less than a full conviction would result in riots, and even violence against themselves and their families.

    Was the jury’s verdict influenced by politicians and media figures who were calling for the jury to deliver the “right” verdict? Attempts to intimidate juries are just as offensive to the rule of law as suggestions that George Floyd’s criminal record somehow meant his rights were not important.

    The video of then-policeman Chauvin restraining Floyd led people across the political and ideological spectrums to consider police reform. Sadly, there have also been riots across the country orchestrated by left-wing activists and organizations seeking to exploit concern about police misconduct to advance their agendas.

    It is ironic to see self-described Marxists, progressives, and other leftists protesting violence by government agents. After all, their ideology rests on the use of force to compel people to obey politicians and bureaucrats.

    ***

    That hardly strikes me as a full-throated condemnation by Ron Paul of Derek Chauvin and his three fellow officers….

    • Replies: @Luzzatto
    , @Curle
  127. Luzzatto says:

    Elizabeth Warren at a hearing said that red scare McCarthyism is racist, sexist, and homophobic against underprivileged communities. Is she saying that BIPOC Black Indigenous People Of Color like herself naturally gravitate towards Communism?

  128. RobinG says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Because they [women jurors] view Rosenbaum, Huber, and Grosskreutz as the real defendants. In a sense, they are.

    You hit the profound there.

  129. @RobinG

    Is he Jack or Jacek? There seem to be two Twitter accounts.

    And– just curious– are you a he-Robin or a she-Robin?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @RobinG
  130. Luzzatto says:
    @D. K.

    Ron Paul says that Derek Chauvin sitting on George Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes is evidence that there needs to be police reform. That’s an extremely Libertarian thing to say and not at all a Paleoconservative Pat Buchanan thing to say.

    • Troll: Redmen
    • Replies: @D. K.
  131. D. K. says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    “Even if it is not true, this guy Posobiec (whomever he is) could well end up in prison for trying to influence the jury.”

    Right, Johnnie! Journalist Jack Posobiec, a former Navy intelligence officer, is going to be sentenced to prison for his reporting out what a confidential source reported to him. You really have gotten into the spirit of the First Amendment, during your time passing through Florida, en route to Ecuador from the United Kingdom!

  132. @Colin Wright

    I agree.
    Unless I’m the defendant.

  133. Luzzatto says:
    @AndrewR

    According to interracial marriage pairing statistics, White women are way more likely to marry a Some Other Race man than a Black man.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  134. Art Deco says:
    @Alden

    https://www.zippia.com/united-states-marshal-jobs/demographics/

    This contends that the 3,800 federal marshals are 12.4% black. The working population is about 12% black.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Colin Wright
  135. @Reg Cæsar

    And– just curious– are you a he-Robin or a she-Robin?

    And if the latter, is the red part copious?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  136. The greatest fear of the homosexual pederast Antifa cockroach and gangster negro Black Lives Matter is the nationally broadcast images of 17 year White Male Baby-Faced Justin Rittenhouse fighting back….They understand the monumental significance of this…

    This is about one thing and one thing only:‘THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WANTS TO MURDER NATIVE BORN WHITE WORKING CLASS WHITE MALES…..”

    Tucker Carlson fantasizes about politics in America being race-free….Tucker Carlson you live in a fantasy land….If nonwhites voted Republican….they would still be able to enthusiastically vote Whitey into a white racial minority within the borders of America…forever….

  137. D. K. says:
    @RobinG

    “I tend to be skeptical of Posobiec. He and Mike Cernovich are known fabricators.”

    Please list for us all of the news items that those two are known to have fabricated. Thanks!

    “[Anonymous source…. give me a break.]”

    Yes, whoever has heard of a supposed journalist relying upon an anonymous source for news?!? As we say on Park Avenue: “Why, it’s just not done!”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @HammerJack
  138. RobinG says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    IDK about the twitters. Jack is an antagonist of Lee @stranahan who I follow b/c of his superb analysis of Russiagate [DNC hacks, Bill Browder, Ukraine, Biden in Ukraine, etc.] which is how I’ve even heard of Posobiec.

  139. @Luzzatto

    Any news on the fate of the White men?

  140. Kronos says:
    @Redmen

    Both the Chauvin and Rittenhouse cases are examples of political trials. They’re rarely if ever based on factual evidence. The defense needs an attorney like Johnny Cochran to became the ringleader of this media circus.

    “Your honor, Rittenhouse was actually an undercover Antifa member. The three people he shot, were all secret Proud Boys.”

  141. @Art Deco

    Not my trade, but I’m going to wager there are in fact two holdouts and that they are women who have worked in education, social services, nursing, or child care.

    In other words, those who would be more likely to lean toward acquittal, which is why women are on juries in the first place. (Cf. the Hoyt [1961], Taylor [1975], and Duren [1979] cases at SCOTUS.)

    So why is the “Karen effect” upside-down this time? Because in a self-defense case, the defense accuses the purported “victims” of criminal conduct necessitating the violent response. It is upside-down by its very nature.

    In other words, Karen views Rosenbaum, et al., as the real defendants. Conviction for Rittenhouse exonerates the men he shot.

  142. @RobinG

    I have used the term Paleo Liberal since the Bush II administration.

    Two reasons

    First

    That was the peak of the neo-conservatives. I pretty much disagreed with everything the neo cons did. So a Paleo Liberal is the opposite.

    Second

    There is an increasing tendency for left wingers to move away from the pro worker based liberalism of the past.

    I use Paleo Liberal to show I identify with the old style liberalism.

    [MORE]

    One of my favorite anecdotes:

    A septuagenarian Marxist political scientist, Adolph Reed, Jr., was disinvited from the US meeting of the Democratic Socialists. Reed was accused of racism.

    His crime? He said the identity politics of the Left was counter productive. He said black Americans would be helped much more by a focus on class, since blacks were poorer on the average.

    The DSA said that thinking was white racist ideology. So bye bye Dr Reed.

    Adolph Reed Jr is black.
    The socialists who called him racist are white.

    You can’t make this stuff up

  143. @D. K.

    From a Kylephile court stenographer:

    About Those Claims That a U.S. Marshal Said Two Rittenhouse Jurors Are Holding Up Verdict Due to Backlash, Doxxing Fears

    Posobiec’s assertion is highly plausible, but how would he know if it’s the case? Somebody had to break the law.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  144. Well, it looks like Antifa violence has already started outside the courthouse.

    In any sane society, the homosexual pederast Antifa should be accorded the same rights as the lowly fucking cockroach….although some esteemed Legal Scholars have persuasively argued that the homosexual pederast Antifa should be accorded legal rights below a cockroach….

    It’s hard to believe that Judge Moon is an enabler of the homosexual pederast Antifa down in Charlottesville…

  145. danand says:
    @Anonymous

    Wow, that looks pretty rough, but seems it was not unexpected. There are a couple of videos out there of this incident from different camera angles. An article claims the “ex-girlfriend-baby-momma” invited the known to be hair trigger violent running back over for a quite chat.

    • Replies: @Alden
  146. @TWS

    The only reason Jack D(ual-loyalist) wants to see any ‘nuance’ here (where none exists) is because the chomo scumbag rosen-baum/krantz/feld (or whatever its name was) who was goodified by Kyle also happened to be one of Jack’s fellow chosentites. Give the guy credit for loyalty to his tribe, but feel free to ignore his comments when the actions of a fellow small hat are in question.

  147. “I’m guessing they will delay the announcement until some early morning to slow down Mostly Peaceful Protesters, who, like me, tend not to be Morning People”.

    I think they tried that approach in Ferguson after the death of Michael Brown. Drew out the grand jury investigation into the winter months thinking cold weather would keep the usual suspects at home.

    Didn’t work. Bitch got burned down regardless.

  148. TWS says:
    @Tiny Duck

    And STDs don’t forget the gift that keeps on giving.

  149. D. K. says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I already had read that article. I am not defending the person who leaked to Jack Posobiec– no matter who the leaker was! I am defending Jack Posobiec’s right, as a journalist, to print what was leaked to him– just as WikiLeaks.org had the right to publish what was leaked to it, and our biggest newspapers had the right to publish what Dr. Daniel Ellsberg leaked to them, half a century ago.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  150. Jack D says:
    @Catdog

    Why is the jury taking so long then, if there was no evidence?

  151. Luzzatto says:
    @AndrewR

    According to interracial marriage pairing statistics, White women are way more likely to marry a Some Other Race man than a Black man.

    So your beef should be targeted more towards Some Other Race men than with Black men.

    • Troll: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  152. JimDandy says:
    @Jack D

    As if anyone here would buy such a fallacious, airheaded statement! You’re embarrassing yourself–even more than usual. And that’s saying something.

  153. Alden says:
    @Luzzatto

    I strongly believe Gascon is and always has been a Cuban communist sleeper agent.

  154. Jack D says:
    @Luzzatto

    It would have been if it had been true. In fact the OJ jury was 9 blacks, 1 Hispanic, 2 whites. The pool was The pool was 40% white, 28% black, 17% Hispanic, and 15% Asian but the prosecution allowed the defense to pick a mostly black jury in order not to be racis’.

  155. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    See Barnes on this point. The defense counsel did only cursory jury selection. Baris polling of Kenosha county indicated that a bloc the public there was dug in hostile to Kyle. Barnes has offered that based on the data Baris forwarded to him, they aren’t reachable by argument. His guess is that 3-4 ‘rogue jurors’ are preventing an acquittal.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  156. D. K. says:
    @Jack D

    “As I said before (and some people here are clearly so emotionally invested that they can’t hear this) while to some people here who get their information only from conservative media it seems like Rittenhouse is utterly and clearly innocent (while MSM devotees see him as guilty, guilty, guilty for the same reason), the jury has a more nuanced picture.”

    The trial was televised, Jack. It has been widely covered by journalists, and extensively critiqued by lawyers and other professionals. The jury does not possess any knowledge of the case that the rest of us lack; the opposite is true. As a natural-born American citizen whose roots in America go back 385 years, and as an erstwhile attorney and officer of the court, I am emotionally invested in the Constitution and the rule of law. As my Evidence professor, the late Bob Aronson, used to say: “And besides, manifest justice dictates the result!”

    https://www.law.uw.edu/news-events/news/2021/robert-aronson-memorial

    • Thanks: JimDandy
  157. Alden says:
    @Art Deco

    Everyone I’ve ever seen was black. Mostly men. At 3PM staggering back to the federal building from the bar where they had lunch

  158. Goddard says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I’m so fucking sick of leftist snark.

  159. Chester says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    A 60s Democrat, like JFK, Trump or Schroeder is a far-right Nazi in today’s world.

    • Replies: @Prester John
  160. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    . . . the poor kid may be in trouble despite obviously being innocent.

    If he is found guilty on a serious charge, maybe sane whites will finally show that they can take to the streets. Or, as usual, go for the Grumble Option.

    As P.J. O’Rourke said during the O.J. Simpson trial, if he gets off we should trash Brooks Brothers. I remember the Washington Post went tut-tut and said that was Not Funny.

  161. Chester says:
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Complete selfishness is a terrible thing to behold. When one is stripped of all dignity, community, faith, culture, honor and duty you get these NPC creatures. They see themselves as “good people” because they conform. They hold impossible, abstract, and inhuman ideals because they are so completely divorced from reality, yet that’s what makes them a “good person”

  162. @Jack D

    During the OJ trial, the MSM (wrote Jeffrey Toobin) picked away at the prosecution case, pretended it was falling apart, made Fuhrman the villain. Toobin said the press was “afraid of being called racist.”

    Oddly, Toobin himself predicted a guilty verdict the night before the verdict was announced. This after playing down the case against Simpson for months.

  163. Ian M. says:
    @Colin Wright

    We could do a politically-correct remake of Twelve Angry Men!

    So, how would that be different from the original one, exactly?

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  164. Anonymous[143] • Disclaimer says:

    Lets hope that the judge & jury have a bit more fortitude than Pontius Pilate…

    Luke 23: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2023&version=KJV

    23 And the whole multitude of them arose, and led him unto Pilate.

    2 And they began to accuse him, saying, We found this fellow perverting the nation, and forbidding to give tribute to Caesar, saying that he himself is Christ a King.

    3 And Pilate asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answered him and said, Thou sayest it.

    4 Then said Pilate to the chief priests and to the people, I find no fault in this man.

    5 And they were the more fierce, saying, He stirreth up the people, teaching throughout all Jewry, beginning from Galilee to this place.

    6 When Pilate heard of Galilee, he asked whether the man were a Galilaean.

    7 And as soon as he knew that he belonged unto Herod’s jurisdiction, he sent him to Herod, who himself also was at Jerusalem at that time.

    8 And when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceeding glad: for he was desirous to see him of a long season, because he had heard many things of him; and he hoped to have seen some miracle done by him.

    9 Then he questioned with him in many words; but he answered him nothing.

    10 And the chief priests and scribes stood and vehemently accused him.

    11 And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked him, and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate.

    12 And the same day Pilate and Herod were made friends together: for before they were at enmity between themselves.

    13 And Pilate, when he had called together the chief priests and the rulers and the people,

    14 Said unto them, Ye have brought this man unto me, as one that perverteth the people: and, behold, I, having examined him before you, have found no fault in this man touching those things whereof ye accuse him:

    15 No, nor yet Herod: for I sent you to him; and, lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him.

    16 I will therefore chastise him, and release him.

    17 (For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.)

    18 And they cried out all at once, saying, Away with this man, and release unto us Barabbas:

    19 (Who for a certain sedition made in the city, and for murder, was cast into prison.)

    20 Pilate therefore, willing to release Jesus, spake again to them.

    21 But they cried, saying, Crucify him, crucify him.

    22 And he said unto them the third time, Why, what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore chastise him, and let him go.

    23 And they were instant with loud voices, requiring that he might be crucified. And the voices of them and of the chief priests prevailed.

    24 And Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they required.

  165. @Yancey Ward

    Yup. Judge says everybody back tomorrow.

    Kyle and Chirafisi were unable to hide their grins. Not a good look.
    And the supersize Cruella DeVille on the boy’s left finally stopped looking like her last Dalmatian had died. She leaned over and picked some lint or something off his lapel, with a maternal smile. He’s kind of lucky he still looks about 12, that should have some traction with jury ladies, at least the ones who aren’t Karen hags.
    And the mob may be thinned out tomorrow. It started snowing a bit, about 3:15. Yay for weather.

  166. @Art Deco

    “Youth’s of Kyle’s age went into the service in 1942 and helped win the war.”

    One of them was a fellow named Audie Murphy.

  167. D. K. says:
    @Roger

    “Jump Kick Man has been identified. He turns out to be a 40-year-old Black man with a criminal record.”

    It turns out that he offered to testify on behalf of the prosecution, if the state would give him immunity and keep him out of prison for his most recent crimes, which were obviously violations of his serial probations. So, the prosecutors have known, since June, that ‘Jump Kick Man’ is a career criminal; but, they neither updated the charges against Kyle Rittenhouse, to specify who was the alleged victim of his two missed shots, nor informed the defense who the alleged victim was, until Veterans Day, one week ago– after both sides already had rested their cases!

  168. Franz says:

    Why is the jury taking so long then, if there was no evidence?

    The evidence is the tapes: Who did what when.

    The jury keeps sending out for the tapes, pictures and drone footage. Essentially they are not sifting evidence so much as judging a gunfight to see who is more capable than the others.

    Had Kyle been black and defended himself the same way there likely not be a trial. The case for self defense was clear. Curse Trump for not pardoning the guy on the way out.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  169. Alden says:
    @Redmen

    Jonathan doesn’t know the difference between the federal government and a county animal control department

    • LOL: HammerJack
  170. @JimDandy

    Of the jury’s inability to decide, Ann Coulter tweeted today, “If this is a hard one, how do these dopes ever manage to boil water?”

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @JimDandy
  171. @Reg Cæsar

    Ah. Quite right. That makes more sense. My apologies to Jack.

  172. Art Deco says:
    @Abolish_public_education

    That wasn’t her point. Her admonition to them was that the function of the grand jury was to determine if there was reason to proceed with the case. The characters she was confronting were saying things like ‘he’s obviously guilty’. Not their job. (And not very prudent under the circumstances).

  173. JimDandy says:
    @David In TN

    I guess it actually is a hard one–if you’re a woke cunt who wants a book deal for being the brave holdout,–but also know it’s an open-and-shut case of self-defense, and have to self-righteously pretend you think he’s guilty. That would be pretty hard, even for a woke cunt.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  174. joe862 says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Their will never be a jury of 12 Kenosha residents that will all agree to convict. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were 20 hung juries in a row but a conviction on any of the more serious charges is impossible. Why bother doing this again?

    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
  175. @Jonathan Mason

    There is a lot of preparation work necessary before clearing America’s Defender on all charges. The jurors and the judge are making sure their homeowner’s insurance covers riots. They are sending their families and pets out of town. They are hiring well-armed security guards to protect their vacant houses.

  176. JimDandy says:
    @Jack D

    Who wrote:

    “No one really knows. Anyone who says any more than that is just talking out of their ass.”

    You did, of course.

    Who’s talking out of his ass now? You’re too clever by half, Jack–not clever enough for the average Unz reader.

  177. @Technite78

    Frankly I would be shocked if he walks. On the other hand, with juries one never knows.

  178. @Kronos

    America has truly turned into clown world when a man is sent to prison for “bad optics”.

  179. Art Deco says:
    @Franz

    The President’s pardon power does not extend to defendants in state courts.

    • Replies: @Franz
  180. @Chester

    Things change. Given his “content of character” shtick, why even Dokta Martin Loofa Kang would be considered “conservative” nowadays.

  181. JimDandy says:
    @nebulafox

    Come on, Nebulafox, IF Kyle was a serial boy-raper suicidal mental patient who was trying to start arson fires all over Kenosha and screaming “Shoot me, Nigga!” and threatening to kill Rosenbaum before he chased Rosenbaum down, throwing objects at him on the way, and then leapt at Rosenbaum’s gun, you TOTALLY would be championing Kyle’s right now. Right?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  182. Rob says:
    @nebulafox

    Back in the Weimar Republic era in Germany, were the communist/fascist street brawlers gutter people? Like, were they among the most marginal, like Antifa (and Rittenhouse) are? I kind of thought this would have been mentioned in history books, if only in a lie by omission by saying it only of the rightists. Does high school history cover the horrors and demographics of Bolsheviks and international communism, or is it just, “for no reason at all, the people elected Hitler. Also for no reason, they did the Holocaust”? I’m guessing it’s the latter, as Jewish groups would be up in arms about “contextualizing” the Holocaust. Much like they hate it being included with other genocides — “trivializing” the Holocaust, though one might look at it as humanizing the marginal. I am sure they do not want it included in a list of state-sponsored mass murders, lest people draw conclusions.

    Nor would they want it on a list that included the current genocide of whites through immigration and demoralization.

    • Replies: @Rob
  183. RobinG says:

    It’s already begun –

    Anti-Rittenhouse protestor body-slams reporter outside Kenosha courthouse, arrested for battery

    One of the two protesters arrested outside the Kenosha courthouse – the man seen wearing a “F*** Kyle” t-shirt as officers took him into custody – is facing charges related to bail jumping….

    The 20-year-old male suspect, Anthony Chacon, has been charged with felony bail jumping, misdemeanor bail jumping, battery, resisting and disorderly conduct….

    A second suspect arrested Wednesday, 34-year-old Shaquita Cornelious, is facing charges of resisting, disorderly conduct, and possession of marijuana…

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/anti-rittenhouse-protestor-body-slams-reporter-outside-kenosha-courthouse-arrested-for-battery/ar-AAQRGg7?ocid=undefined

  184. @Luzzatto

    It’s safer for a black woman to date a white man than it is for her to date a black man.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  185. MarkinLA says:
    @Anonymous

    And the taxpayer will support that baby as it grows up to be just like it’s father.

  186. @Jack D

    Kyle Rittenhouse’s defense lawyers asked Judge Bruce Schroeder for a mistrial ‘without prejudice’ Wednesday.

    All i can think is they are worried the majority rolling on some lesser charge to please holdout girls and figure if they’d actually do jury selection next time they could screen out the lefties who have already made up their minds.

    Otherwise, i really can’t see why. The prosecution has been embarassing. Unlikely–i’ve been a “hung jury” guy from the get go–but the jury could still come back with an acquittal. And the judge seems pretty unimpressed with some of the prosecution’s antics. Not a lawyer, but seems to me sticking with the “with prejudice” ask is a good gamble. Judge probably doesn’t go for it, but who knows.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Expletive Deleted
  187. @Anonymous

    Note to White women who don’t want to die: When your large, angry infantile black boyfriend body-slams you against a wall in your own home, don’t respond with, “Listen!”

    This is your advice to white women?

    Maybe something a bit more upstream?

    • Agree: Technite78
  188. @Tiny Duck

    U are not the original TD. U

    are an imposter.

  189. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    According to a number of sources, Rittenhouse’s defense was assisted by Jo-Ellan Dimitrius, who was the jury consultant for the OJ defense and is considered one of the best.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/16/us/consultant-jury-oj-simpson-working-in-rittenhouse-trial/index.html

    BTW, where is Rittenhouse getting the money for his defense? Help like this doesn’t come cheap.

  190. @Paleo Liberal

    I, personally, am a liberal (NOT woke) Democrat.

    See, now I don’t get that. That was a very reasonable comment and your description was too until Democrat. (I assume you mean the party.) WHY?? I mean, that would be like me saying “I am a Conservative Libertarian Republican, cause, you know, I really like everything Barry Goldwater stands for.”

    I see “Paleo” in your handle, but I’d bet 100 bucks you have already outlived Adlai Stevenson. Am I wrong?

  191. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    “With prejudice” dismissals for something the prosecutor did are very rare. In most cases, the argument goes, if you start over again with a new jury then the ill effects of the prosecution mistake are wiped away and the defendant can still get a fair trial. Picture a case where the defendant is a clearly guilty, evil black child rapist and the prosecution makes the same mistake. Now how do you feel about a dismissal with prejudice?

    • Replies: @D. K.
  192. @AndrewR

    Why do women of non-color date black men?

    The standard answers are that those who do are dead stupid, of a low economic class, or physically unattractive. All these ring true in many cases. But not all.

    I used to know a white woman married to a Nigerian “businessman” who often traveled to his birth country (supposedly he imported African crafts). They had generated a mulatto male child.

    She was not stupid in the IQ sense. Pretty good looking, a pleasant personality, could have attracted a selection of white men. Her family of origin was “comfortable,” and she had been raised in some tony suburb north of Chicago.

    At the time I was still influenced by conventional liberalism. Her choice didn’t offend me, or so I told myself, but it puzzled me. As I got to know her more, she gave off hints that she was angry at her dad. Maybe she had valid reasons, who knows? But foolishly throwing herself away as she had done (in my view) was an awful high price to pay for rattling the father’s cage. She had possibly ruined two lives, her own and her son’s.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  193. Jack D says:
    @Mr. Anon

    As my econ professor used to say : “Ceteris paribus”.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  194. D. K. says:
    @Jack D

    You may read the motion, from the other day, for yourself:

  195. Whiskey says: • Website

    MSNBC has followed Jurors home and doxxed them. The judge merely threw them out of the court.

    So, slam dunk conviction on all counts. Don’t look for heroes on the jury.

    Our regime values child molesters, domestic abusers, and break in specialists more than boy scouts. The whole point of this trial is that Anti-Fa IS THE STATE and they have the right to kill and beat you for any reason whatsoever. ANY REASON.

    Civic Nationalism in action: the Rittenhouse conviction. Its a slam dunk like Stalin’s Trials. Verdict known in advance.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @Redmen
  196. Hibernian says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    His best bet is mistrial with prejudice (effectively the same as acquittal) based on the obvious willful 5th A violation by Binger.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  197. Hibernian says:
    @jimmyriddle

    Rittenhouse’s lawyers chose to ditch the jury selection experts that Barnes lined up to help.

    They have OJ’s jury consultant; she consoled Wendy Rittenhouse at one point. The previous lawyers had their own agendas and were not prize packages. One of them may have missed the chance to get the drone video about a year ago when the case was new. He appeared on Fox and the video was shown at that time. Both sides later looked for it but didn’t realize that Fox had possession. Eventually somebody gave it to the DA’s office at the last minute. You know the rest of the story.

    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
  198. D. K. says:
    @Jack D

    “As my econ professor used to say : ‘Ceteris paribus’.”

    As the Prototypical Economics Professor used to say: “First, assume a ladder….”

  199. Hibernian says:
    @Luzzatto

    I’ve never heard or seen domestic violence in an interracial relationship where the man is White and the woman is Black.

    I heard a White guy threaten his Black girlfriend through the walls of my condo unit. They stayed together for a while after that, but not very long.

  200. @Jack D

    According to a number of sources, Rittenhouse’s defense was assisted by Jo-Ellan Dimitrius, who was the jury consultant for the OJ defense and is considered one of the best.

    That was almost 30 years ago. At 67, is she anywhere near the peak of her abilities? Note also that OJ had the best lawyers money could buy. IIRC, OJ spent \$10m in 1990’s cash. Rittenhouse’s budget is presumably an order of magnitude lower in 2021 dollars.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  201. Rob says:
    @Rob

    Including the Gypsy Holocaust in with the Holocaust is a no-go area for American Jews. Possibly because the realize that everyone knows the gypsies are awful. Including the Porajmos would make people wonder, “gee, i totally get why they’d want to eliminate the Gypsies. Huh? I wonder…”

    In school, i never even heard that the Gypsies were on the Nazis naughty list.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  202. @AnotherDad

    The prosecution has been embarrassing. Unlikely–I’ve been a “hung jury” guy from the get go–but the jury could still come back with an acquittal.

    If I was on that panel of peers, I’d be shit scared of the ADA.

    He already aimed a (loaded? unloaded? who knows? Mr Baldwin, expert testimony requested) powerful firearm right in their silly faces, with his crooked, intemperate little finger on the bangswitch. Message received.

    If I was the courtroom cop and saw that, I’d have domed him right on the spot, the effete little maniac.
    Thank God as a sporkless, butterknifeless Brit, I wouldn’t have to. Just batter him wiv me sossij till he was satisfied. The wee man is a narcissistic freak.

    Who knows all about gunz and how completely awful they are, just going around on their lonesome, killing people minding their own business. Except when he doesn’t know shit.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke, Charon
  203. @George Rockwell

    “Toll paid.”

    Not quite yet. I believe that phrase is reserved for when the thug kills the woman. Which will happen – she’ll go back to him.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  204. @Luzzatto

    I want some of whatever you’re smoking…

  205. D. K. says:
    @Jack D

    • Replies: @Alden
  206. @duncsbaby

    Conversely I’ve heard it said that a guilty verdict is often made quickly.

    Yes, but in a self-defense case, the defendant can, by definition, only be innocent if his targets are criminal. If he is not guilty, they are.

    Effectively it’s a conviction either way.

  207. @Luzzatto

    All it takes is one lunatic who wants to make a name for theirself.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  208. @Rob

    In school, i never even heard that the Gypsies were on the Nazis naughty list.

    These groups were singled out for their intelligence– one for its excess, the other for its lack. Homos were targeted because a handful of them could have outed the Führer.

  209. @Jonathan Mason

    All it takes is one lunatic who wants to make a name for theirself.

    Luzzatto is clearly not a native English speaker. Now I’m wondering about you.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  210. @Hibernian

    Binger didn’t actually prevent Rittenhouse from remaining silent, and in fact he eventually did decide to speak in court of his own accord when he didn’t have to. It might have been a bit naughty of Binger to point out to the jury that Rittenhouse had exercised the right to remain silent as part of his defense strategy, perhaps for calculated reasons, but in matters of life and death people tend to forget about niceties.

    Anyway, he succeeded in getting his point across.

    Had Rittenhouse not testified in his own defense, it would have been pretty obvious to the jury that he was exercising the right to remain silent. If I was a juror, I would not hold it against someone if they remained silent, as this is a pretty common and permissible way of avoiding going on the stand and contradicting yourself in a criminal trial, but it would not win them any extra points either.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @D. K.
    , @Hibernian
    , @D. K.
  211. Franz says:
    @Art Deco

    Oops. Forgot about that.

    But he had plenty of time to get the Justice Department to work on Wisconsin. But Justice wasn’t happy with Trump either.

  212. Q-ship says:
    @D. K.

    Juror intimidation is one of the most vile crimes imaginable. It strikes at the very foundations of a civilized society. The penalties should be much harsher. Life in prison for any significant intimidation or doxxing of a juror or anyone in their immediate family. Any physical harm to a juror or their immediate family to intimidate or as retaliation for a verdict should result in the death penalty.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke, Cortes
    • Replies: @HammerJack
  213. RobinG says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    OMG, you just don’t stop, do you? Are you this thick, or is this your trolling strategy?

    Anyway, he succeeded in getting his point across.

    Indeed, and that’s [one reason] why the judge is considering a dismissal.

  214. anon[217] • Disclaimer says:

    I believe I have found the solution for the two fearful jurors who are willing to send Kyle Rittenhouse to jail in order to avoid offending BLM-Antifa: They can vote to set him free and then hire him on to provide security for them. After all he has a lot of proven experience offing Antifa. Much more than the law enforcement in that town it seems.

    • LOL: Alden
  215. @Reg Cæsar

    I always assume they’re talking in American.
    I slant, as much as I am able (t0), my prehistoric hereditary dialect in their direction. If I don’t, it leads to interminable cascading confusion.
    It’s the interthing, and as such is an American Institution. It’s the polite thing to do.

    But the Inquisition itself couldn’t torment me into employing the instruments of satan, namely spellcheckers and grammarly.
    Goodness’ sake man, my own family on both sides had to work out how to “dialogue” with the indigenes soon after they ended up trapped on this feckin’ island, speaking only bastard French, and them/they/those/ that there locals a few kinds of Scandiwegian chat, plus weird Martian stuff (?Welsh? Irish?).

    “English” was the lowest common denominator they all resorted to, on all (three? four?) sides. Had it sorted by the 12th century. Business is business. First phrase in our handy travel book? “Fuck you, pay me”.

  216. Kronos says:
    @J.Ross

    The drone footage file compressed because prosecutor Kraus AKA “Big Boy” sat on the thumb drive.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @J.Ross
  217. @Kronos

    The drone footage file compressed because prosecutor Kraus AKA “Big Boy” sat on the thumb drive.

    Or confused it for his midday suppository.

    • LOL: Kronos, Liza
  218. D. K. says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    “Binger didn’t actually prevent Rittenhouse from remaining silent, and in fact he eventually did decide to speak in court of his own accord when he didn’t have to. It might have been a bit naughty of Binger to point out to the jury that Rittenhouse had exercised the right to remain silent as part of his defense strategy, perhaps for calculated reasons, but in matters of life and death people tend to forget about niceties.”

  219. @Half Canadian

    It’s safer for a woman to date a tiny duck than a white man. There, we have order.

  220. @Johann Ricke

    Jury selection isn’t manual labor. If anything her perceptive abilities should have sharpened.

    I don’t think the defense was *that* bad although neither struck me as the sharpest tack in the box. There was one exchange with Koerri Washington that was hilarious. Look for 01:38-01:57. I don’t think Chirafisi quite picked up on the opening he had.

  221. @nebulafox

    That’s a good explanation. But Jack was right to point out the tautology.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  222. Alden says:
    @danand

    So the fact that the victim let him into the house justifies a severe beating?

    Are you aware that parent A cannot refuse visits of parent B to their child unless there is a specific visitation schedule or restraining order ordered after a court hearing???

    The MEN OF UNZ the MEN OF UNZ, every time a crime is mentioned in the site the blame the victim crowd jumps in. Man or woman of any and all races. It’s all the crime victims fault.

    Only crime I can remember the MEN OF UNZ not jumping in to blame the victim was an 84 year old San Francisco man was murdered by a young black thug. I was surprised. The victim was walking on a public sidewalk in the middle of the day!!!!! . And not carrying a gun!!!!! All his fault he was killed by a black thug.

    The one victim of a black victim in years who hasn’t been blamed for his her injuries and or death.

    • Thanks: Sean
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @HammerJack
  223. Moses says:
    @scrivener3

    court security is not allowed to listen in to jury deliberations. jury is instructed to not discuss the case with anyone outside of open court. it
    is a fabricated story and a lie

    LOL!!

    You actually believe “because it’s not allowed” means “It never happens.”

    So adorable!

  224. @joe862

    Why should the persecution do it again? Because they get off on it.

  225. D. K. says:

    More prosecutorial misconduct . . .

  226. Alden says:
    @D. K.

    Fourth hand information.

    4 Posobiec, claims he heard something from, 3 a federal marshal who claims the , 2 jury bailiff told the federal marshal something the jury bailiff heard the, 1 jurors discuss.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @D. K.
  227. @Art Deco

    ‘…The working population is about 12% black.’

    Perhaps the employed population — certainly not the working population.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  228. D. K. says:
    @Luzzatto

    “Ron Paul says that Derek Chauvin sitting on George Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes is evidence that there needs to be police reform.”

    No, that is not what Ron Paul said– especially since Derek Chauvin was not seen “sitting on George Floyd’s neck,” at all! Ron Paul said that the video had “led people across the political and ideological spectrums to consider police reform.” He (a) did not say that that was his own conclusion, and (b) merely said that such people were led to consider police reform, not that such reform was necessary. You obviously need help with your comprehension of written English.

    “That’s an extremely Libertarian thing to say and not at all a Paleoconservative Pat Buchanan thing to say.”

    Here was Pat Buchanan, just eight days after the violent career criminal and drug addict George Floyd died of a self-administered overdose of various illicit drugs:

    ***

    There is much chatter about “speaking truth to power.”

    What does that mean today?

    At the least, the recognition that while the killing of George Floyd was an atrocity that cries out for justice, so, too, does the rampant criminality that exploded in its aftermath.

    ***

    https://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/assaulted-and-vilified-the-cops-save-the-cities/

    • Replies: @Alden
  229. @Bill Jones

    Is it bob-bob-bobbin’ along?

  230. @Achmed E. Newman

    You’re aware of the extent of information about the Chauvin jurors that the judge released to the public and the media, right?

    It was after the verdict, but to my mind it qualifies as jury tampering for each and every high-profile trial that follows. Including, especially, the one we’re discussing.

    You certainly can’t “move away” to escape the mob in Current Year America. Even if you could, they’d come after your relatives. Mob rule has its costs.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  231. Hibernian says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    It might have been a bit naughty of Binger to point out to the jury that Rittenhouse had exercised the right to remain silent as part of his defense strategy…

    It’s been strictly forbidden for quite a number of years all across the USA, as Judge Schroeder pointed out. The current interpretation of the 5A doesn’t go back to the time of its adoption, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights, in the 1790s. It goes back to the Warren Court of the ’50s and ’60s, and is here to say. The political Left in the US historically applauded these rulings, but their support for them has been increasingly selective in recent years. It’s the “Civil Liberties until we win” mentality.

    Had Rittenhouse not testified in his own defense, it would have been pretty obvious to the jury that he was exercising the right to remain silent.

    That’s a halfway respectable argument, but it’s been rejected.

    If I was a juror, I would not hold it against someone if they remained silent…

    I’ll take your word for that, but a lot of people would hold it against him. Thus the need for the rule. And they’re more aware of it when it’s pointed out than when they have to figure it out for themselves. Remember, they’re the people who weren’t smart enough to get out of jury duty.

    • Thanks: Alden
  232. D. K. says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    From an academic celebrity to the man who literally wrote the book on self-defense:

  233. @Alden

    And a partridge in a pear tree.

    • Replies: @Alden
  234. Alden says:
    @Chris Mallory

    Kenosha WI is not a major city. Ferguson MO is a small town no one ever heard of till the media blasted the well deserved death of Mike Brown.

    Law enforcement encounters with the likes of Mike Brown and Jacob Blake aren’t publicized all over the world in every media naturally.

    Every anti White activist has 800 numbers email , texts and means of direct human not electronic with media outlets and the Civil Rights for all but Whites division of the Justice Department 24/7. Scumbag preacher lawyer street level activist makes a call or sends a text and the media is on its way within hours. DoJ person working the overnight DC hotline turns the info over to the boss who waits till 8:30 AM to call the local DOJ office.

    That’s how it works. The DOJ has had its 24 hour service and 800 numbers since the 1960s.
    You and I don’t know how to contact the media and DOJ 24/7 and get instant response. But all the activists do.

    This thread has degenerated from the Rittenhouse trial to a deranged anti White women hate fest led by Reg Cesear.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  235. @Redmen

    Honestly, you’re lucky with your wife. Only slightly off center is not bad at all. The vast majority of women are going to think (unconsciously) : “What Lifetime TV movie does this case remind me of the most?”

    With all too many it won’t even be unconsciously.

    • Replies: @Alden
  236. Alden says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Speaking of Christmas, the British whatever of Gibraltar decided to abolish Christmas this year because of covid hoax.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  237. @Paperback Writer

    Advocatus diaboli, MM had a point. “Ever wonder how (in this case for instance) three out of three random antifas turn out, upon discovery, to be lowlifes? Because despite antifa’s reputation for principled, social/political/moral crusading, it’s actually pretty much …a bunch of lowlifes.”

    • Replies: @D. K.
  238. Alden says:
    @D. K.

    Floyd was a life long career criminal on parole who moved to Minneapolis to continue his criminal career including RICO level association with Chinese manufactured counterfeit US dollars . Who died of swallowing and inserting into his rectum very very very dangerous illegal drug fentanyl A drug manufactured in China with lethal intent towards America which Floyd was selling for the benefit of the Chinese manufacturer Another RICO offense. Floyd was a POS who should never have been born to burden the taxpayers with the expense of his worthless birth life and death.

    Only a Reg Cesear would approve of Floyd’s and his bastard spawns birth and existence. Reg worships and adores criminal bred black zygotes so much he wants the taxpayers to pay for pregnancy care, birth and lifelong support of them.

    Plus Fentanyl Floyd was hideously ugly. America is even breeding ugly and uglier People through our dysgenic breeding program. Did you see that baby mamma of Floyd’s? Longterm homeless hair, obese , flabby arms flapping, bulldog face some kind of housecoat thing. The little girl baby mamma claims is Floyd’s. Girls tend to look like their fathers. Boys like their mothers .

    Civil liberties doesn’t mean today what it meant 300 years ago. Now it means civil rights for all but Whites. And the government aiding abetting and encouraging blacks to rob attack beat and murder Whites and destroy the public schools public transit entire cities and towns, everything. .

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  239. D. K. says:
    @HammerJack

    It turned out to be four out of four; “Jump Kick Man” turns out to have a longer criminal record than the other three– perhaps even longer than the other three combined!?!

  240. @Ian M.

    Good point. It would only differ in the optics of the jury.

    I say move it to HotLanta and call it “12 Hungry Hippos”

  241. @Alden

    So the fact that the victim let him into the house justifies a severe beating?

    No, bonding with a chimpanzee does. This woman committed a crime against humanity– she replicated his genes.

    Jeepers, the clown was cut by the Saskatchewan Roughriders. Why is his name even known to the public?

    I bet he couldn’t even say the Roughriders’ hometown without giggling.

    • Replies: @Alden
  242. D. K. says:
    @Alden

    “Fourth hand information.

    “4 Posobiec, claims he heard something from, 3 a federal marshal who claims the , 2 jury bailiff told the federal marshal something the jury bailiff heard the, 1 jurors discuss.”

    You have no idea whether Posobiec’s source (1) overheard the jury deliberation, (2) was told about it by a juror, (3) was told about it by a bailiff who had overheard the jury deliberation, (4) was told about it by a bailiff who had been told about it by a juror, or (5) some other roundabout chain of comments. What I do know is that I would not trust Juror #54 any farther than I can throw her…. (Yes, I know, Alden . . . “Men of Unz!”)

    • Replies: @Alden
  243. D. K. says:
    @Alden

    “Speaking of Christmas, the British whatever of Gibraltar decided to abolish Christmas this year because of covid hoax.”

    That’s not the punchline:

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Mr Mox
  244. @Alden

    What did I say about white women? My reference was to court decisions that forced women onto juries. Against their will. Gwendolyn Hoyt was judged and jailed by twelve men only because the women of Hillsborough County didn’t bother to volunteer. Did this dastardly dozen “blame the victim”?

    And what do you have against 17-year-old junior police cadets that makes our criticism of masked matrons who want to imprison them for life offensive?

    It’s 40° warmer where you live than it is here. Go out and get some fresh air.

    • Replies: @Alden
  245. @Luzzatto

    NBC/MSNBC trying to get jurors murdered.

    Well, that would be a happy by-product of what they’re really trying to do, which is to sow mortal fear in the minds of every jury in future high-profile case.

    NBC/MSNBC are a thug “news” organization.

    Aren’t they all, at this point?

  246. @Alden

    criminal bred black zygotes

    There are a lot more of them now than there were before 1973!

    But thanks for the opportunity to post again a photo of your hero, a Jew so evil that no one else on Unz is willing to touch him:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Alden
  247. Alden says:

    Another Dad is not another Dad. No one who hates women as much as you and the rest of the MEN Of UNZ do could ever touch a woman. None of the women haters are Dads. Because all of you hate women so much you’ve never touched one. A Freudian psychologist would diagnose repressed homosexuality

    Thus thread has degenerated into another Steve Sailor We Hate Women Fest.
    Because of a fourth hand story that 2-4 women jurors plan to acquit.

  248. Alden says:
    @D. K.

    And neither do you know if any of the information is true.

    You are a civil libertarian therefore anti White and the enemy of Whites. Whatever civil liberties meant 300 years ago.

  249. @D. K.

    Er, as people used to say on Park Avenue, 80 or 100 years ago.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @D. K.
  250. @Alden

    The MEN OF UNZ the MEN OF UNZ

    And…she’s off!

    every time a crime is mentioned in the site the blame the victim crowd jumps in. Man or woman of any and all races. It’s all the crime victims fault.

    Only crime I can remember the MEN OF UNZ not jumping in to blame the victim

    True Dat, sista! This be the most bleeding-heart place on the internet, except maybe Paul Kersey’s. You pegged us! We just loves us some violent thugs up in here!

    Way to wreck your own credibility sista.

    • Replies: @Alden
  251. Alden says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    You, Reg Cesear who is not only against abortion but is hysterically against any form of birth control including not having a sex partner is against producing a chimpanzee baby?

    Reg’s religion is not worship of just zygotes but all spermatozoon and unripened or never fertilized eggs. Reg’s private chapel contains 3 elaborate boxes made of glass used in microscopes. One contains an unripened egg, one a single sperm and one an African American zygote. These are the 3 objects of his worship.

    What’s wrong with you? Not just normal anti abortion. But insanely anti birth control including abstinence. And yet you don’t approve of the birth of another black baby. A baby half criminal thug on dad’s side and half retard on mom’s side.

    You don’t approve of black and White sex. But with your hysterical disapproval of not just abortion but any kind of birth control including abstinence by choice birth control approved by the Catholic Church you strongly approve the production of more and more black babies.

    Black zygote worship. That’s your religion.

    You really should have been a livestock rancher. Turn your fertility obsession to producing something more useful than more african Americans.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  252. Alden says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Not a city police cadet. State police trooper explorer plus jr lifeguard plus jr volunteer fireman.

    Read my comments about Kyle. I compared him to the greatest hero of the 20th century General Francisco Franco.

    While the MEN OF UNZ blathered about their own guns, why Kyle shouldn’t have been there at all, that he is a dumb kid, he is a bully looking for trouble, grandiose in the psychological meaning of the, word didn’t do this right, did this wrong, carried a gun across state lines which he didn’t.

    Even back when it first happened one of the MEN OF UNZ posted a video some kid took
    of Kyle and his friends scuffling around. The MEN Of UNZ proclaimed him a bully. And made fun of Kyle because the MEN OF UNZ consider him chubby. Take a look at your middle aged and ancient selves MEN OF UNZ.

    And even in this thread man defendant a man witnesses men judge a man all men lawyers it just has to turn into the We Hate Women Fest that every Steve thread turns into. One woman, the jury selector on Kyle’s team is a woman. And a MAN OF UNZ sneers at her looks calling her an oversized Cruella Devill

    And how many of you White women haters have given money to Kyle’s defense attorneys?

    And where Kyle’s father in all this? The parents were married so Kyle is an acknowledged child. Wendy’s done all the work from bringing him to the police station to be arrested to helping assemble the defense team and raise money for the defense

    Where’s the dad MEN OF UNZ?

    I realize you’re obsessed with the Hoyt case in your usual deranged style. But first it has no relevance to People vs Rittenhouse.

    Second as near as I can figure you are against women jurors. Except in the Hoyt case whose verdict you seem to disapprove of because Hoyt was an all man jury? Is that what you mean? It’s difficult to understand your ramblings about the Hoyt case.

    And your disapproval of black and White sex but worship and adoration of the mulatto zygotes created by black and White or black and black sex is ……. strange.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  253. Alden says:
    @HammerJack

    Thanks for that comment. I was going to make that comment. More like 100 to 140 years ago.

  254. Alden says:
    @HammerJack

    Read the comments in every single crime posted since this site began. Every crime story a good 70 percent if the comments are blaming the victim for the crime.

    Tessa Majors not only went to college in NYC but was out after dark. In December when it’s full dark at 4:30 pm

    Every crime story the MEN OF UNZ post the same comments. It’s all the victims fault for being in his own front yard having the garage door open, walking using bus or subway, parking anywhere other than your locked garage or parking garage even if you can’t afford \$30 an hour for parking. working in retail restaurants or medicine because might have to work a late shift and get off at 10 or 11 at night, going to a bar movie club concert or other event because you’ll be out at night .

    You post thus sissy boy stuff all the MEN OF UNZ opinion about every crime story is it’s all the victim’s fault. That happens to be the basic criminal defense. Why was the victim walking home alone from a bar? Why was her skirt so short? Why didn’t he practice situational awareness? You try practicing situational awareness when you’re wrangling a load of groceries and 2 kids into the car and car seats.

    Most of the comments about crime stories are the same stories the defense attorneys, the defendants and their big fat black mammas tell.

    It’s all the victims fault.

    • Agree: Sean, Wielgus
    • Replies: @HammerJack
  255. @Hibernian

    Barnes’ take on that woman is that Johnnie Cochran picked that jury, and Barnes has had experience of her (shoddy) work in other cases

    Barnes had body language experts and people ready to trawl social media, ready to help. But Richards went his own way. He simply did not understand the effect of the media on the jury pool.

  256. @Alden

    What’s wrong with you? Not just normal anti abortion. But insanely anti birth control including abstinence.

    No, all I’ve done is point out the role of Jews in legalizing them. That seems to be a monkey wrench in people’s mental machinery here.

    You make intelligent comments when you’re sober. Try to stick to that.

  257. @Alden

    I realize you’re obsessed with the Hoyt case in your usual deranged style.

    Not me, Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

  258. Ed says:
    @D. K.

    His takes can be hit or miss, often miss. Still one juror, a woman, asked to take the instructions home. Judge allowed it so there appears to be some Karens on there.

  259. Ed Case says:
    @scrivener3

    Every cubic inch of every Court built in the last 30 years in Australia is miked up.
    And we’re always 15 years behind America.

  260. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    Wouldn’t take CNN seriously. Richards brought Barnes Law on board, then cut him loose and would not allow his consultant crew to be present in the courtroom during selection.

    About financing, GoFundMe took down his account. It’s been coming through more cumbersome and obscure conduits. AFAICT, he’s financed by small check donors.

  261. Art Deco says:
    @Etruscan Film Star

    From personal observation, no clue as to what stands behind white male / black female pairings. Idiosyncratic preferences, perhaps. A large fraction of black male / white female pairings I’m persuaded incorporate a rejection of parents, the social matrix of the parents, of peers, or of some combination of them.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  262. My new bet: Hung jury followed by Mistrial with Prejudice.

  263. @Art Deco

    When the black male is a professional sports person who earns high salary and the white woman is a lap dancer or stripper, there could be a financial motive at work.

  264. @Luzzatto

    Your “some other race” are actually white Hispanics, so it’s not such a big deal.

    • Replies: @Luzzatto
  265. AndrewR says:
    @Luzzatto

    “Some other race” = mestizo

  266. @HammerJack

    You give these antifa Commies more credit than they deserve for organization. All of you replying are missing the point. Kyle Rittenhouse stood up for himself and a bunch of other non-Communist Americans (their property, at least). He was only 17 years old.

    Is it too much to ask that a juror stand up for Kyle?

    No, I don’t think we can all rely on the Establishment “rule-of-law” to protect us, were the antifa to threaten us. We have to handle it ourselves. That’s what Kyle did. That’s what we will have to do in the future.

    It’s all fun and games to comment here. I enjoy iSteve’s writing and that of the commenters here. However, you’ve been told many times that things would get real. You all need to take that to heart. It’s happening faster than I would have expected. I would hope a Rittenhouse acquittal on any major charges would cool things down a bit… for a while only. Communists don’t just give up and go home.

    .

    PS: I saw some more of your comments here too, Alden, after I hit PUBLISH. As a MAN of UNZ, I agree with you that Kyle is a hero (as I wrote). I don’t agree with ANY of you that is the right thing to do for a juror to vote for conviction based on cowardice. That’s not being a man at all, and it’s another reason why women should not be on juries. They don’t have any of that thing about “being a man”, “keeping one’s word”, and “doing the right thing”. It’s not a thing for women, but I thought it was for men. I dunno now…

  267. @Whiskey

    It’s not necessary that the Jury be doxxed, only that they think they can be.

    Welcome to the rule of Law (of the jungle).

  268. @D. K.

    Yeah the trial was televised but believing is seeing. There was manifest justice in the OJ case too. The only thing left out was a note, written in OJ’s blood, saying, “I did it.” Yet the jury returned a quick verdict and we all know why. I doubt most of them could even read the jury instructions. This jury can read the instructions and seems to be taking them seriously.

    Every fire-eater here seems to think that Jack is saying Kyle’s guilty. I don’t think he’s saying that. He’s saying you’re all so deep in your own heads you cannot see clearly. I agree with him and I think Kyle is innocent.

    Wisconsin law has certain standards for self-defense. The prosecution has the burden to prove that Kyle’s action’s that night didn’t meet them. They may have done so. It’s open and shut to you but the prosecution has done a not bad job of suggesting to the jury that Kyle’s actions didn’t meet the standards for self-defense.

    Not to say they haven’t been slimy & underhanded. That will figure on appeal.

    • LOL: JimDandy
    • Replies: @D. K.
  269. @Achmed E. Newman

    BTW, as I wrote above, I don’t say that I think doing the right thing would come easy. For me, in this case, I know what I’d have to do.

    Yes, it’d be scary. I am still living a nice life, but I realize as the country goes farther down the road, at some point we will have not so much to lose. The question is whether that’ll be past the point of it being too late to beat them. That question has been asked and the answer has been in the affirmative many times in recent history.

    It’s past time for people in the sights of the antifa to start to get organized back. I like how there is a guy on VDare who has been doxxing the doxxers. Some of the people he writes about are truly deranged evil MFers.

  270. @Jonathan Mason

    I think it’s usually S/M.

    Kristin, the woman in this Stacy case, wasn’t a stripper/slut/gold-digger, she was a wellness coach at one of his teams. I’d bet my carrying charges that she was raised in a 100% white background, is vaguely SJW, and thinks that black behavior is due to oppression. The first person to tweet about this is her bestie, a black woman who runs some black-oriented cooking show.

    She has no identity and gets a thrill out of black black blackety-black friends and causes. When her black children are born (there was another kid not in the video) her life is complete. It’s actually completely ruined but she doesn’t know that yet.

    The black guy gets a woman who enjoys his abuse. He could beat up a black woman, but she wouldn’t enjoy it. She might even try to fight back. She might call 911 on him, like Keesha Booker. The black guy gets what he wants: a punching bag who thinks she deserves it. And he gets to abuse a white person. Win-win!

    Upper class interracial marriages are a bit more complicated. Another story for another time.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  271. @Achmed E. Newman

    You give these antifa Commies more credit than they deserve for organization. All of you replying are missing the point. Kyle Rittenhouse stood up for himself and a bunch of other non-Communist Americans (their property, at least). He was only 17 years old.

    We don’t know what truly motivated Kyle Rittenhouse.

    It may be as you say that he independently decided to take his rifle and go out at night to protect a Pakistani used car lot, like George Orwell or Laurie Lee independently being driven by their consciences to leave home and join up as volunteers in the Spanish civil war, where Orwell was shot through the throat by a sniper, but survived (obviously.)

    In Lee’s account, as I recall, in December 1937, Lee set out for Spain to fight for the Republican cause. He could not persuade anyone to help him and so eventually crossed the Pyrenees alone in a snowstorm, and then was captured by republicans who believed he was a spy, and he narrowly avoided execution.

    So did Rittenhouse act alone that night, or was he influenced by other forces and political movements that have not been discussed in the trial which has focused mostly on what happened in the course of a few minutes between Rittenhouse and some antifa members, as if Rittenhouse was totally alone and there was no one else present who might have exacerbated or deescalated the violence directed towards this very young man?

    We really cannot know at this point. If he is found innocent, and writes a memoir at some time in the future, it may be more apparent what was going on in his head that night.

  272. @D. K.

    The jury does not possess any knowledge of the case that the rest of us lack; the opposite is true. As a natural-born American citizen whose roots in America go back 385 years, and as an erstwhile attorney and officer of the court, I am emotionally invested in the Constitution and the rule of law.

    I would not agree as the jury would have had an opportunity to observe Rittenhouse and discern his character and capacity to tell the truth or tell lies over a longer period than anyone sat at home, and without commercial breaks!

    I am emotionally invested in the Constitution and the rule of law.

    And they say that the guilt of a defendant may be judged by a jury of his peers– members of his local community–thus throwing a random element into the proceedings.

    It should be noted that Rittenhouse and his defense team chose to have a jury–for whatever reason–when he could have opted for a bench trial. Thus they presumably thought that they would get a better outcome with a local jury.

    If the case was such an obvious slam dunk and no right minded person would have failed to see that it was a case of self defense, unless they were a mentally retarded and illiterate, or irrevocably biassed juror, why not opt for a bench trial that would be determined by a judge or judges with legal training like yourself who would naturally do the right thing?

    I don’t think that the prosecutor pointed out to the jury that Rittenhouse had made this important choice.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    , @D. K.
    , @Art Deco
  273. @JimDandy

    Had she been a juror at the first trial of the female defendant in the Christian-Newsom torture-murder case, she would have been one of the white female jurors sympathetic to the defendant. In this one, she wants the defendant convicted.

    • Replies: @Alden
  274. @Jonathan Mason

    During the O.J. Simpson trial, I was listening to a radio talk show in which the host was a former Los Angeles area resident. A caller said he was from Orange County and knew Nicole Brown’s family. He said “she was raised to marry a rich man.”

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  275. @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan, I wasn’t the one to make the comparison about the Spanish Civil War. I happened to real Orwell’s Homage to Catalonia – review here, so I remember that he was shot in the throat. I know nothing about Laurie Lee, though. OK, they independently went on to fight in a war. That’s not at all the same thing as Kyle’s actions in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

    Kyle Rittenhouse is not part of any such thing that organized. The left can get organized easily, as the Establishment (law and media) not only don’t interfere, but they are on their side. For a guy who is against the mayhem of the BLM and antifa Commies, it is not at all easy getting organized. The Establishment makes an effort to dox, denigrate, and even find BS crimes for groups of the right, to the point of accidentally arresting their own FBI members.

    He may have had a few like-minded people around, but Kyle didn’t act on behalf of anyone behind him. You get a dozen or a few hundred such like-minded people, and you have a militia. That’s the way it can work.

  276. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    It may be as you say that he independently decided to take his rifle and go out at night to protect a Pakistani used car lot,

    Kyle, the owners of the car lot, and others were recorded on video at the lot earlier in the day. Kyle is armed in that video.

  277. Art Deco says:
    @David In TN

    The late Elizabeth Wurtzel’s remark: “All four daughters had breast implants; none had a college degree”.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  278. @Art Deco

    Usually a middle class girl would go to college even if her purpose was to get a rich husband. Nicole Brown, out of high school, took a job as a waitress at a place patronized by LA celebrities. She was looking to be “picked up” by one of them.

    One of them did.

    It was often said that Nicole Brown was everything a black woman hated. I know from talking to several that white women didn’t like her either.

    • Replies: @Alden
  279. Today (Friday) Ann Coulter tweeted “We appear to have found 12 Americans hell-bent on making the O.J. jury look like Nobel laureates.”

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  280. Redmen says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    More likely than not, the defense just wants to get before the judge all of the many flagrant due process violations by the prosecution. The judge has enough now to dismiss the case with prejudice notwithstanding the verdict. His ruling would then of course be appealed, leaving the case in limbo for another year.

    I suspect he wants to see the jury do the right thing, but has enough ammunition at this stage to craft a decision tossing the case either with or without prejudice.

  281. Redmen says:
    @Luzzatto

    Where have you seen Ron Paul comment on Derek Chauvin? I may have missed.

    But it sounds like you missed the entire Chauvin trial. The knee on the neck (1) probably didn’t cause his death, or at least there is a quite reasonable doubt that it did, (2) was being used to stabilize Floyd who was in a state of excited delirium, and thus (3) was at least as likely as not the result of Chauvin’s “intent” to help, and not harm, Floyd.

    My guess is you know nothing of the great Ron Paul…

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  282. @David In TN

    Wisconsin Now (good source) says verdict soon.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  283. Hey resident lawyers:

    What happens when the verdict is reached? There must be procedural steps to go through, no?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  284. D. K. says:
    @Paperback Writer

    “Wisconsin law has certain standards for self-defense. The prosecution has the burden to prove that Kyle’s action’s that night didn’t meet them. They may have done so. It’s open and shut to you but the prosecution has done a not bad job of suggesting to the jury that Kyle’s actions didn’t meet the standards for self-defense.”

    I don’t know where you earned your law degree, but you are utterly full of ‘it! The only thing that the prosecution ended up with is a blurry, computer-enhanced image, taken from a surveillance video that was mysteriously dropped on its doorstep, at the eleventh hour. Their video expert admitted that he could not say how his software’s algorithm had chosen to fill in the missing pixels– which make up the vast majority of that computer-enhanced image– and that he never even compared the original image and the enhanced image, side by side. There is no testimony in support of the prosecution’s argument that the computer-enhanced image shows Kyle Rittenhouse pointing his gun at (the armed) Joshua Ziminski– which is the only basis upon which the prosecution got a jury instruction for “provocation.” (N.B.: LEGAL ARGUMENTS ARE NOT EVIDENCE!) Rittenhouse testified that he had not done so. The prosecution presented no eyewitness– including Ziminski or his wife– to counter that denial. The state’s own witnesses– including would-be killer Gaige Grosskreutz himself– supported Rittenhouse’s having acted in self-defense. Feel free to look through Professor Turley’s entire Twitter timeline, from back when he was commenting on the trial testimony. He is of the expert opinion that the prosecution never should have brought its case against Kyle Rittenhouse to trial!

    • Agree: S
    • Thanks: JimDandy
  285. Mr Mox says:
    @D. K.

    According to RT, the percentage of vaccinated is actually 118% due to commuters from Spain.

    Let’s face it: The magic of the vaccine has worn off.

    Here in Europe our politicians are desperately trying to appear as if they are in control of the situation – and they seem to be getting away with it. Apparently you can fool most of the people all of the time.

  286. Apparently a verdict has been reached.

  287. D. K. says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    “If the case was such an obvious slam dunk and no right minded [sic] person would have failed to see that it was a case of self defense [sic], unless they were a mentally retarded and illiterate, or irrevocably biassed [sic] juror, why not opt for a bench trial that would be determined by a judge or judges [sic] with legal training like yourself who would naturally do the right thing?”

    Perhaps because the state judges work for the same state government as do its state prosecutors?

    • Agree: Alden
  288. nebulafox says:

    Acquitted on all counts.

    Lady Justice, you aren’t dead yet in this country. 🙂

    (I really didn’t expect to be so emotionally invested in this guy’s fate… but 18 years old and his whole life back. It was *right*. Just pure right and wrong. I’ve got no excuse for not valuing my own now.)

    • Replies: @Tony massey
  289. D. K. says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    There is one fewer political prisoner in America than there otherwise would have been!

  290. JimDandy says:

    Never had a doubt. 😉

    CELEBRATE.

    • Agree: Anonymous Jew
  291. CCZ says:

    NOT GUILTY – all counts!!!!

    A jury has found Kyle Rittenhouse not guilty on all counts in his murder trial connected to the shootings of three people during unrest in Kenosha during the summer of 2020.

  292. @D. K.

    Someone pointed to this on the Rittenhouse trial, I listened this morning as I drove,

    https://martyrmade.substack.com/p/the-kyle-rittenhouse-trial

    I don’t know who this guy is, and there are parts of his opinions that I strongly disagree with but if what he claims are the facts of the case, including Rittenhouse’s ties to Kenosha, what he was doing there that night etc are correct then
    A. The case ought never have been brought.
    B. Every word the corporate media whores utter is a lie.

    Might be worth a listen.

    • Agree: Expletive Deleted
    • Thanks: Anonymous Jew
  293. anon[190] • Disclaimer says:

    @Alden #250

    “Because all of you hate women so much you’ve never touched one.”

    I used to touch women all the time until they made it against the law.

    “A Freudian psychologist would diagnose repressed homosexuality ”

    Wasn’t it the original Freudian psychologist who said, in an apparent fit of exasperation, “What does woman want?”

    Anyway Freud seemed to detect repressed homosexuality in everything. “Projection,” what!

  294. ATate says:

    I was scared for this one. Just like for the Trayvon case and the M. Brown case.

    Jesus is feels amazing to be so GODDAMN right on these things.

  295. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    If the case was such an obvious slam dunk and no right minded person would have failed to see that it was a case of self defense, unless they were a mentally retarded and illiterate, or irrevocably biassed juror, why not opt for a bench trial that would be determined by a judge or judges with legal training like yourself who would naturally do the right thing?

    I’ve heard attorneys in my home town say that bench trials are better for certain offenses (DUI) and might be worth it if you draw a certain judge.

    A trial lawyer who has served on judicial selection committees in Richmond told me that you get three sorts of applicants: prosecutors, employees of the state attorney-general’s office, and lawyers in private practice not making a good living off it. The bias of judges is typically in favor of the government.

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @Not Raul
  296. @D. K.

    There is one fewer political prisoner in America than there otherwise would have been!

    I wouldn’t be so sure. Biden’s DOJ might gin up federal charges. Bloomberg’s June Grasso and David Westin were practically salivating at the thought.

  297. Chief Engineer Scotty doesn’t think she can take much more of this.

  298. FIAT JUSTITIA.

    The right of self-defense survives another day.

    • Agree: Not Raul
  299. Not Raul says:
    @Art Deco

    A trial lawyer who has served on judicial selection committees in Richmond told me that you get three sorts of applicants: prosecutors, employees of the state attorney-general’s office, and lawyers in private practice not making a good living off it. The bias of judges is typically in favor of the government.

    Rittenhouse must be happy to have ended up with a liberal, pro-rights of the accused, “anti-government” judge.

    Not guilty on all counts!

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-verdict-jury-news-live-b1960549.html?amp

    The jury got it right. The jury, and the judge, deserve a lot of credit.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  300. I don’t know if Kyle can turn water into wine, but the flavour of all the whisky in this house just miraculously improved by 200%.
    I’d better take it easy, too tasty.

    I did seem to get something in my eye when he dropped to the floor.
    As they say, the process is the punishment.

  301. MEH 0910 says:

    • LOL: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  302. Neutral reporting from the (UK) Guardian:

    The trial was seen as a test case for the US, as it seemed to illustrate the very different attitudes of law enforcement when confronted with armed white militia groups or anti-racism protests such as Black Lives Matter.

    Rittenhouse quickly became a cause celebre for some conservatives, who raised money for his legal fees and sought to portray him as someone who stood up to rioters.

    The judge in the case, Bruce Schroeder, also became a source of controversy with a bombastic style, outrageous comments during the trial and attitudes some observers said betrayed sympathy with the defense.

    Schroeder ruled before the trial that the men Rittenhouse shot could not be called “victims” by prosecutors. Defense attorneys could, however, use such labels as “arsonists” or “looters” if they could justify it.

    Prosecutors argued forcefully that Schroeder was establishing a double standard as the case unfolded.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/19/kyle-rittenhouse-verdict-kenosha-shooting

  303. Thank God.

    Now Kyle needs sue everyone from the media jackals to Brandon, who slandered Kyle, and made this unholy clown show possible.

    God Bless Kyle and God Bless a brave and wise jury.

  304. @D. K.

    So there will be a use for the bricks that have magically appeared in the alley’s of Kenosha.

  305. Ralph L says:

    Great, now FREE CHANSLEY!

  306. @MEH 0910

    Rittenhouse, who successfully fought off three BLM attackers…

  307. I’m ecstatic about the verdict. The reality is that secession (a good thing) gets kicked down the road a bit (if it ever happens).

    In sum, as one poster already noted: one less political prisoner in America.

  308. Alden says:

    Verdicts in about 1pm central time Friday . Acquittal on all counts. Feds have not arrested Kyle on civil rights charges yet.

    Once more Alden was right and the MEN OF UNZ wrong. 7 women including the forewoman in that jury. Of course when every thought and word is guided by your twisted psycho hatred and fear of women the MEN OF UNZ are usually wrong.

    And it turns out that the fourth hand hearsay report that 2-4 Karens would vote for conviction turned out to be completely false. As most fourth hand hearsay reports are.

  309. I just received an Email from a “Wendy Rittenhouse” I have no idea how they got my Address.

    I think it means I am either moving in the right circles or the wrong circles.

    Fellow American,

    Kyle was just ACQUITTED and is now officially FREE!

    This was a victory for the truth, for justice, and for every American’s God-given and unalienable right of self-defense.

    We are so overcome with emotion, and as hard as that was, we are thankful.

    We are thankful for the millions of Americans who stood with Kyle from the start.

    We are thankful for the many others who watched the trial with an open mind, realized that they had been lied to for a year and a half, and spoke out.

    And we are thankful to the jury which put aside bias, considered the facts, and came to the right decision.

    Now, we will try to return to something that resembles a normal life – however that requires one more major push to settle our case-related debts and pay off what we hope will be our final legal bills.

    So please, take all that positive energy I know you’re feeling and make an urgent donation to help us close this very ugly chapter in our lives.

    Any funds left over will be transferred into Kyle’s scholarship fund so that he’ll be able to graduate from college debt-free.

    You’ll be hearing from us again, but for now, and from the bottom of our hearts – thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

    With love,

    Wendy Rittenhouse

    DONATE NOW >>

  310. D. K. says:
    @HammerJack

    “Er, as people used to say on Park Avenue, 80 or 100 years ago.”

    I lived there as recently as May 31, 2007. (Well, I actually lived at 101 East 101st Street– but my bathroom window looked out onto Park Avenue!)

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
  311. @nebulafox

    I’m over joyed to be wrong on all counts tho i never thought he should’ve been charged.
    My next worst thought is the feds come aknocking.
    Hope he gets on with his life.

  312. MEH 0910 says:
    @Tiny Duck

  313. Two words. Water. Cannons. They knock you down AND they get you wet. You have to go home because you’re freezing cold.

  314. Redmen says:
    @Whiskey

    And I thought I was a pessimist….

    O ye of little faith!

  315. Could this be another case that goes our way? Has the pendulum reached its maxima?

    Park Hill parents file federal suit over district’s handling of slavery petition

    Simple harmonic motion! Can we tell these bullies to go F=kx themselves? Way to Hooke ’em!

  316. AUSA(ret) says:

    While I can not say that the Rittenhouse prosecutors handled the trial well, I do not think it is appropriate to criticize them for bringing the case to trial. Given the milieu in which a decision to charge was made I submit it would have been reckless to elect not to charge. That is not to say that such a decision would have been inappropriate under the facts and law. I believe that Rittenhouse was acting in self defense and a decision not to charge would be correct. Rather, given the temper of the times to not have permitted the matter to be resolved in anyway other than by a full and public exposition of the facts before a jury would not have been in the public interest.
    While I did and still do applaud the decisions of the prosecutors in the Michael Brown and Duke lacrosse cases, and those decisions were certainly made in a charged atmosphere, in the Rittenhouse matter the events were wrapped in a summer of racial disputes and violent demonstrations that arose from alleged police misconduct. The resultant charged atmosphere, including totally and grossly irresponsible comments by Brandon, compelled resolution by a full and public exposition of the facts before a jury.

  317. epebble says:
    @TheJester

    Standby for riots …

    My bet is no. Rosenbaum and Huber were white. There isn’t the temperature to cause ignition.

  318. Jack D says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Not sure what you are asking. The verdict is read. Usually the jury is polled one by one: is this your verdict? And then the judge thanks the jury and the accused walks out of the court house a free man. Later on if there has been bail posted, there is paperwork to get it back but you literally walk free from the moment the verdict is announced.

  319. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    If Rittenhouse were black, most Republicans would take the same stance.

    Especially if he shot a white pederast.

    Note that in the Philando Castile case, local gun rights groups were all ready to back his side, until it came out that the man had had controlled substances in him at the time, in violation of his permit. Their hands were tied.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  320. Alden says:
    @David In TN

    Before the restaurant she worked at a BH clothing store. I think it was Jax. Maybe not The store sold youthful but expensive clothes. She was hired to work at the store because she was young and pretty. Didn’t work out as salesclerk. Owner of the store owned the restaurant too and sent her there.

    Expensive youthful clothes are a problem niche. Teens and young women can’t afford expensive clothes. The 40 plus women who can afford expensive clothes just don’t look right in youthful clothes. Even if they are the exact height and weight they were at 12.

    Which is why size 4 at Saks is a size 8 at H&M

    When he was a kid on the football team at SF city college for a year a young black man was running amuck raping women who worked at San Francisco General Hospital. Where his mother worked. Close to the Protero projects where OJ lived. Chief suspect was a SFCC football player whose Mom worked in the hospital.

    Classic case of black welfare fraud. Mom herself made too much money to qualify for the projects. Divorced Dad was a chef, real certified chef not a cook in the federal building employees cafeteria. He earned a high income and paid child support regularly.

    Portero Hill was a wonderful city neighborhood before the Black Plague arrived for WW2 industry. Close to downtown for office jobs and one of the world’s greatest ports and miles of shipyards plus lots of light industry for other jobs. Incredible views to the east. Pre 1940 and even pre earth quake Victorians because Portero Hill is hard clay.

    Then came the Black Plague and wonderful
    Portero Hill was one of the first neighborhoods to be destroyed.

    And OJ his family and friends were some of the destroyers.

    Portero was one of the first neighborhoods to recover from the Black Plague. Now it’s over run with homeless. But the pre 1945 houses, light industry, marvelous views and the best sunniest weather in town.

    Why do White men worship the Black Plague running around chasing balls? Rant and rave about White women black men but pay for the billion dollar Black Plague sports industry

    • Replies: @David In TN
    , @Tony massey
  321. MEH 0910 says:
    @Tiny Duck

    There is a reason ALL celebrties athletes public intellectuals media types and democratic politicians have come outin support of a Rittenhouse verdict.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  322. S says:

    Justice has been served regarding Rittenhouse, and hopefully he wins tens of millions in compensation to go towards making himself whole as in the case of Nick Sandman in regards to the numerous blood libels hurled at him by corporate ‘news’ media outlets and by various individuals.

    Now, are the corrupt prosecutors in this case going to suffer any consequences, legal or otherwise, for their gross misconduct while prosecuting this garbage case, a case that should never have been brought forward in the first place?

  323. Alden says:
    @David In TN

    But all the woman jurors voted to acquitt of all charges. I didn’t realize all these years I agreed with your comments that you are just another twisted psycho White woman hating MAN OF UNZ.

    The MEN Of UNZ the MEN OF UNZ; decades of ranting that women shouldn’t be jurors because women are always defense jurors. Till DK posts a fourth hand hearsay rumor that 2-4 Karens argued for conviction.

    Then the orgy of women hatred begins.

    The MEN OF UNZ even applaud the murder of White Nicole by black OJ. Forgetting completely about fellow murder victim Ron Goldman.

    You even just danced for joy when White Tessa Majors was murdered by 3 black thugs. As I recall, some of the more naive MEN OF UNZ claimed Tessa Majors went through the park to buy weed from the thugs. Yeah right, like street drug dealers work in the park where their customers can’t find them instead of an intersection or mini mall

    • Replies: @David In TN
    , @Hibernian
  324. Now for the peaceful protests…

  325. Alden says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    All 7 women jurors voted to aquitt including the elected jury foreman a woman.

    You’re a MAN OF UNZ. You believe women shouldn’t be on juries because they are always for the defense. Until DK posts a fourth hand hearsay rumor that 2-4 women jurors argue to convict.

    Then suddenly the MEN OF UNZ change their mind that women should not be jurors because they are pro defense to women should not be jurors because they are pro prosecution.

    And the comments immediately turned into the usual We Hate Women Fest.

    Based on a fourth hand hearsay rumor now proven to be false false false.

  326. *Record scratch* *Freeze frame*

    “Yup, that’s me. You’re probably wondering how I got into this situation…
    Suffice to say a few pussies on Sailer’s blog thought I got myself into quite a pickle.”

    • LOL: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  327. Alden says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Not a city police cadet but a State Police Explorer. Plus jr life guard plus jr volunteer fireman.

    And the verdict came in today. A 7 woman 5 man jury including the foreWOMAN voted acquittal on all charges.

    You, like the other MEN OF UNZ read a fourth hand hearsay rumor posted by DK that 2-4 Karens would vote to convict.

    And you all jumped into a typical We Hate Woman hate fest.

    Once again the MEN OF UNZ are proved to be dead wrong. Maybe if your minds were not so damaged by your hatred of women you would have been able to realize what DK’s post was.

    A fourth hand hearsay rumor.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  328. nebulafox says:
    @JimDandy

    Hey, come on, leave that stuff for Corvy.

    Seriously, I just keep shaking my head at all this dumb crap I’m seeing on the Internet. “If Kyle were not white in the same situation, they’d be shouting for his guilt.” No: we really wouldn’t be. At least I wouldn’t be. I’d like to hope that we can all agree that untrained teenagers having their lives threatened by violent felons and making a split decision to kill or be killed deserve sympathy and understanding in any context, not a relentless year long smear campaign.

    It’s ultimately projection. These idiots seriously can’t imagine the mundane reality that not everybody is obsessed with race like they are. They shriek about “racism” because they genuinely imagine that all Americans analyze other Americans through that lens, rather than as individuals (hence their special levels of fury if a white person states that-clearly that’s a brazen lie!). Why? Because that’s exactly what they do, and naturally, according to the affluent progressive bien-pensant, the whole world shares their world-view and assumptions about life… or is lumbering under some crypto-Marxistoid conception of false consciousness.

    And this is the demographic that dominates our government and diplomatic service. No wonder US foreign policy has failed on so many levels. If they can’t understand the basics about their fellow Americans in Kenosha, Wisconsin, because it contradicts their ideological world-view, good luck with foreigners in Kabul or Beijing.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  329. nebulafox says:
    @nebulafox

    And almost everything mainstream in the United States either supported that smear campaign, whether proudly or implicitly before transitioning to both-sidesisms, or was too cowardly to defend Rittenhouse until the last moment… at best.

    So keep that in mind when you deal with the GOP, if you expect anything out of them.

  330. Alden says:
    @HammerJack

    What’s Lifetime TV? I’m a woman and never heard of it. If your wife watches TV; well, everyone seeks his her own milieu.

  331. @Paperback Writer

    When the verdict came, Ann Coulter tweeted “Thank God.” She also said the jury came by local rather than express but did get there.

  332. @Reg Cæsar

    If Rittenhouse had been black, I would have wanted him acquitted.

    Rittenhouse should NEVER HAVE BEEN CHARGED, It was a political prosecution.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
    • Replies: @JimDandy
  333. @D. K.

    Kyle has been cleared (thank God), but you managed to utterly miss my point. It doesn’t matter and I don’t care about exchanging comments with a moron.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  334. J.Ross says:
    @Kronos

    Okay, sure, but what about this one?
    https://postimg.cc/BLZT85Cv

    • Replies: @Kronos
  335. Corvinus says:
    @Redmen

    The knee contributed to his death.

    Floyd lay motionless for several minutes. Enough cops were there to move him to a paddy wagon.

    Chauvin’s intent was not to help, it was to neutralize.

    The jury has spoken in the Rittenhouse trial. Now we shall see if those who are enamored with him will pull a Kyle…or just stay home and live another day without being involved in a circus.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  336. Corvinus says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Which I imagine you will eagerly engage in when there is civil unrest anywhere. Duty calls. See, now the wannabes will puff out their chests and say I would have done the same thing against those degenerates. Again, I say, prove it, rather than vicariously live though him.

  337. D. K. says:
    @Paperback Writer

    “Kyle has been cleared (thank God), but you managed to utterly miss my point. It doesn’t matter and I don’t care about exchanging comments with a moron.”

    Shall we take a vote among iSteve denizens on the question of which of us two understands the law, in general, and this criminal case, in particular, and which of us two does not?

    Anytime that you want to compare “official” IQs, just let me know, genius.

  338. @D. K.

    LOL! East 101 St may be less than a mile away from the “real” Park Avenue as the crow flies, but in the sense being spoken of here it’s a world away.

    From your other posts I get the impression that I also need to spell out the following: the prestigious (hence famous) residential section of Park Avenue is centered upon 70th Street, not 101st St.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  339. Shall we take a vote among iSteve denizens on the question of which of us two understands the law, in general, and this criminal case, in particular, and which of us two does not?

    Go right ahead. You know nothing about law, you only know what’s between your own dense ears.

    I was legit concerned that the defense didn’t explain the provocation aspect of Wisconsin state law to the jury. I wasn’t alone, there were other legal bloggers & tweeters who were concerned as well. But luckily sanity plus a lousy prosecution prevailed.

    I was always in Kyle’s corner & will remain so.

    You’re still a moron.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  340. D. K. says:
    @Paperback Writer

    “Go right ahead. You know nothing about law, you only know what’s between your own dense ears.”

    The Supreme Court of Washington felt otherwise, when it officially ordered my admittance to the Washington State Bar Association, over thirty-five years ago.

    “You’re still a moron.”

    That was not the psychometric conclusion reached by the International High IQ Society, when I took its qualification test, for kicks, many years ago.

  341. D. K. says:
    @Hangnail Hans

    “LOL! East 101 St may be less than a mile away from the ‘real’ Park Avenue as the crow flies, but in the sense being spoken of here it’s a world away.

    “From your other posts I get the impression that I also need to spell out the following: the prestigious (hence famous) residential section of Park Avenue is centered upon 70th Street, not 101st St.”

    Your preternatural ability to miss the joke is hereby duly acknowledged, Hans!

  342. @Alden

    You, like the other MEN OF UNZ read a fourth hand hearsay rumor posted by DK

    As a matter of fact, I dismissed the Posobiec tweet on the counsel of a woman, Jennifer van Laar. VivaFrei used actual evidence to infer what appeared to be going on– the fore(wo)man was dragging the whole thing out, submitting veiled threats requests from the jury room. This should have lasted four minutes, not four days.

    Other “men of Unz” had made assertions about women on juries, so I brought up the SCOTUS cases that put them there. I don’t have an opinion either way, but find the history fascinating.

    Let’s reduce it to two salient points:

    A) Women are on juries because defense attorneys want them there.* It’s statistically better for the defense.

    B) In the case of a self-defense defense, there are two defenses. The nominal one, and the inferred one of the plaintiff and/or his client-“victim”, who has to be proven criminal for an acquittal to take place. In other words, a counter-prosecution.

    This ambiguity will shift the desired sex ratio for both the prosecution and the defense.

    [MORE]

    *RBG took the Duren case on feminist principles, but her clients and the defense bar were only interested in getting easier acquittals.

  343. @Jack D

    “The verdict is read.”

    The jury reaches a verdict. Whom do they tell? Whom does he tell that there’s a verdict?

    The jury is ushered into the court room. The verdict is given to someone – the judge first? I saw that the steno read the verdict but does the judge see it first?

    Just curious about these little details.

    BTW someone off topic, looks as if there is a future toll-payer here:

    https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2021/11/18/jump-kick-man-maurice-freeland/

    scroll to the bottom of the page. Jump Kick Man’s wife. I wouldn’t put bets that she sees the end of 2022.

  344. @Alden

    Alden,

    I stand corrected on the Rittenhouse verdict. I was frustrated by the lengthy deliberations. So, for example, was Ann Coulter.

    Have you read my writing at Nicholas Stix’s site? Me, a “twisted psycho White Woman hating Man of Unz?”

    I “danced for joy when Tessa Majors was murdered by 3 black thugs?” When did I do that? Do you think my friend Nicholas Stix and I favored it? I’ve been helping him cover it from the start. We are still keeping up with proceedings regarding the third suspect, despite the news blackout.

    I was in the courtroom for the first (and second) trial of the female defendant in the Christian-Newsom case. In that one the judge was allowing juror questions. I saw a couple of white female jurors send pro-defense questions to the judge. One of them practically threw the piece of paper at him with an angry expression on her face.

    Coleman was acquitted of all charges regarding Chris Newsom and the murder of Channon Christian. She was found guilty of facilitation only.

    Again I was afraid the Rittenhouse jury would be intimidated by the mob.

    • Thanks: Nicholas Stix
  345. @Alden

    Alden,

    We are on the same side.

    I’ve had nothing but contempt for Simpson’s supporters from 1994 till now. You cannot fail to notice that the same kind of people (and many of the same people) who exulted over the 1995 Simpson verdict now denounce the Rittenhouse not guilty verdict.

    Simpson was dead-bang guilty by DNA evidence. Rittenhouse was innocent through clear video footage.

  346. nebulafox says:
    @Corvinus

    You know what would be nice?

    No riots at all.

    Shocking concept, I know.

  347. @D. K.

    Yeah, Redstate. Proof.

    You’re a lawyer? I’d sooner hire a homeless guy than you.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  348. Hibernian says:
    @Alden

    It’s pretty obvious somebody held out for a while. A woman juror asked to take the jury instructions home Thursday night and she likely was a holdout. She saw the light on Friday morning.

    • Agree: Polistra
  349. Curle says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Thanks for the legal advice. You licensed?

  350. Curle says:
    @D. K.

    “ The only people who believe the knee on the neck for 9 minutes is justified is White Supremacists and Far Right Social Conservative Paleocons.””

    Depends what the knee is or is not doing. Seems you’ve incorporated considerable speculation into your thinking. Never a good thing.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  351. Kronos says:
    @J.Ross

    It’s too pixelated, I can’t tell. I think it’s Binger dressed in black-bloc.

  352. @Alden

    Mam you are always at your best when you are recounting the old days thru now.
    Not sure about the last paragraph but i don’t deny your feelings melady.
    Adieu
    Interesting stuff when not…ya know. Really interesting. I wish you went moar into details.

  353. @Alden

    You post thus sissy boy stuff all the MEN OF UNZ opinion about every crime story is it’s all the victim’s fault.

    Alden, I do nothing of the kind and you can either retract that lie about me (one of many, I note) or I will continue to call you out as a liar.

    Your credibility is nil.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  354. D. K. says:
    @Paperback Writer

    “You’re a lawyer? I’d sooner hire a homeless guy than you.”

    Be my guest, genius! What have you got to lose?

  355. D. K. says:
    @Curle

    “Depends what the knee is or is not doing. Seems you’ve incorporated considerable speculation into your thinking. Never a good thing.”

    Did you notice my use of quotation marks, in the comment to which you replied, Curle? They indicated that I was quoting the person to whom I was replying– as I am doing, here, to you. The whopper that you were replying to was a direct quote from ‘Luzzatto’ (cf. comment #89).

    • Replies: @RobinG
  356. RobinG says:
    @D. K.

    iirc, you asked earlier….

    Posobiec, larping as Antifa, held a “Rape Melania” sign at the DeploraBall.
    https://www.newsweek.com/trump-retweets-alt-right-man-who-took-rape-melania-sign-rally-781108
    https://www.mic.com/articles/165205/trump-supporters-reportedly-planted-rape-melania-sign-at-anti-trump-protest

    Jack pushed PizzaGate… a total fabrication that got some poor guy arrested for shooting his gun off in a DC pizzeria.
    Also, he played along with QAnon and,,,,,,well, I’ll stop there, lest I misattribute…

    • Replies: @D. K.
  357. @HammerJack

    Alden’s problem is that she does not know the difference between “causes” and “deserves”. I spent over 10 minutes before writing a comment to her to explain, using another example as an analogy even, so I’m not going to waste my time again.

    Just to clarify, though:

    “She had a much bigger chance of getting raped by black thugs because she walked through the Morningside* neighborhood.”

    IS! NOT! THE! SAME! AS!

    “She walked through the Morningside neighborhood, so she deserved to get raped.”

    .

    * I don’t know NYC, so this could be any neighborhood, or any comment about any of the stories Alden is pissed about.

  358. @Jack D

    Nope, not my experience, Jack. I got dragged around in a van from one place to another right into the afternoon for “processing”, etc.

    That may very well be the way it’s SUPPOSED to work. This was a high-profile case, so I guess it did. (As I’ve written, I haven’t been following it step-by-step.)

    Come to think of it, I was let go on my own recognizance, not found innocent, so is that supposed to be different in this respect? I ask that seriously.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  359. @Achmed E. Newman

    Nevermind that one, Jack. It was too early for me to write that comment, and this was long ago. I confused my going in front of the judge initially with the later time in court. Disregard, and, reporter iSteve, strike that from the record!

  360. All politics is local and so is justice.

    The matter has been dealt with within the local community by local people in a local court with a local judge, and it really doesn’t matter what people think elsewhere.

    It would be nice to think that this case would lead to some healing and a renunciation of extremism on both sides of the BLM argument, for example some kind of national code for peaceful mass demonstrations and a condemnation of burning and looting at protests from all sides of the political spectrum.

    There has been criticism of police for not controlling demonstrations, but it may be that local police forces lack sufficient resources, just as the Capitol police seem to have lacked resources on Jan. 6th, where a water cannon or two and a few canisters of tear gas would surely have gotten the job done.

    However with all the media coverage I think it is going to be difficult for Rittenhouse to go back to living a normal life and I hope all the media and public attention does not go to his head and he does not get into trouble again.

    It can be hard to put something like this behind. Even god knows how many years later (is it 17?) falsely accused Amanda Knox is still on the front page of the Daily Mail what seems like every day, usually whining about how she cannot lead a normal life.

    Best scenario ten years from now Rittenhouse will have a wife and kids, live in obscurity in a gated community, and spend his free time mowing and weeding the lawn and studying for his bachelor’s.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Hibernian
  361. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    It can be hard to put something like this behind. Even god knows how many years later (is it 17?) falsely accused Amanda Knox is still on the front page of the Daily Mail what seems like every day, usually whining about how she cannot lead a normal life.

    Oh shut up. Here’s the bilge the Daily Mail posts

    https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=daily+mail+%27amanda+knox%27&ia=web

    Newspapers in this country publish nothing about her except as a consequence of her published memoir. She needed the royalties to make her family whole as they were cleaned out in financing her defense. Journalists and miscellaneous snoopers who showed up at her apartment building in Seattle were told by the doorman to get lost. She’s not an attention whore except in your imagination.

    Meredith Kercher’s father had been employed by and had contacts in the tabloid press in Britain. The Kerchers regrettably gave credence to the bizarre fantasies of the prosecutor building on the slipshod work of Italy’s Keystone Kops. The tabloids still try to milk the story for the amusement of the lesser sort among their readers. Not the fault of Amanda Knox.

  362. D. K. says:
    @RobinG

    “iirc, you asked earlier….”

    There is no need for you to rely upon your own memory, Robin. The comments all still exist, above.

    [MORE]

    In reply to ‘Art Deco’, you wrote:

    ***

    I tend to be skeptical of Posobiec. He and Mike Cernovich are known fabricators. [Anonymous source…. give me a break.]

    ***

    In reply to you, I wrote:

    ***

    “I tend to be skeptical of Posobiec. He and Mike Cernovich are known fabricators.”

    Please list for us all of the news items that those two are known to have fabricated. Thanks!

    “[Anonymous source…. give me a break.]”

    Yes, whoever has heard of a supposed journalist relying upon an anonymous source for news?!? As we say on Park Avenue: “Why, it’s just not done!”

    ***

    Now, you belatedly reply, indirectly:

    ***

    Posobiec, larping as Antifa, held a “Rape Melania” sign at the DeploraBall.
    https://www.newsweek.com/trump-retweets-alt-right-man-who-took-rape-melania-sign-rally-781108
    https://www.mic.com/articles/165205/trump-supporters-reportedly-planted-rape-melania-sign-at-anti-trump-protest

    Jack pushed PizzaGate… a total fabrication that got some poor guy arrested for shooting his gun off in a DC pizzeria.
    Also, he played along with QAnon and,,,,,,well, I’ll stop there, lest I misattribute…

    ***

    So, the first item that you cite claims that Posobiec is the person holding the “Rape Melania” sign:

    The “Newsweek” article assumes this to be the case, without any evidence given for the identity of the sign-holder. The second article that you cite does not even state, as a fact, that the sign was a political dirty trick, and contains a flat denial from Posobiec:

    “Posobiec denied that he sent the texts and told BuzzFeed News that the photos of the ‘Rape Melania’ sign were likely digitally altered.”

    Regardless of the truth of the matter, such an act, while deplorable, would not answer my request. I had asked, politely, for you to “list for us all of the news items that those two are known to have fabricated.” I wanted a list of news items that Posobiec and Cernovich had published, in their roles as journalists, rather than as political pundits or activists, in which they claimed that some news source, named or unnamed, had claimed some newsworthy information. This claimed dirty trick– which is unproven, according to your own source– does not fit the bill.

    You then claimed that Posobiec “pushed PizzaGate” and “played along with QAnon,” without giving me any citations in support of your claim. To repeat: I am looking for “news items that Posobiec and Cernovich had published, in their roles as journalists, rather than as political pundits or activists, in which they claimed that some news source, named or unnamed, had claimed some newsworthy information.” General claims that Posobiec “pushed” this, or “played along” with that, are not what I was looking for from you.

    Thanks, though, for reassuring me that when the homosexual owner of Comet Ping Pong, James Alefantis (who was ranked one of the 50 most powerful people in D.C., in 2012, by “GQ” magazine), was photographed wearing a t-shirt with the French phrase for “I LOVE CHILDREN” on the front of it, that had nothing whatsoever to do with pedophilia.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  363. RobinG says:
    @D. K.

    Cernovich pretended that he sued Jeffrey Epstein. In reality, he [and the Dersh] filed suit against one of Epstein’s victims.

    For you, DK, you don’t always get what you want.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  364. D. K. says:
    @RobinG

    “Cernovich pretended that he sued Jeffrey Epstein. In reality, he [and the Dersh] filed suit against one of Epstein’s victims.

    “For you, DK, you don’t always get what you want.”

    That’s obvious from the fact that you now have failed twice to give me what I wanted, in response to your still wholly unsupported claim that Posobiec and Cernovich “are known fabricators” of news reports (like the tweet that started this comment thread, for which you questioned its reputed source’s existence, due to his anonymity).

    • Replies: @RobinG
  365. RobinG says:
    @D. K.

    No, I don’t question b/c of anonymity, but b/c it came from Poso. It’s (the 2 women allegation) irrelevant now.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  366. D. K. says:
    @RobinG

    You now:

    “No, I don’t question b/c of anonymity, but b/c it came from Poso.”

    You then:

    “[Anonymous source…. give me a break.]”

  367. Hibernian says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    …some kind of national code for peaceful mass demonstrations…

    That consists of SCOTUS decisions in our system. Reasonable time, place, and manner regulations at the state and local levels which pass Constitutional muster.

    I think a very good idea would be robust separation of demonstrators and counter-demonstrators, to the extent SCOTUS will allow. It would be great if localities would adopt this and defend it vigorously in court.

    I think at least some municipalities want violent confrontations with the Leftists winning. This was clearly true at least in Charlottesville.

    For an educated native of our Mother Country, you seeem to have some notions about the law which are reasonably democratic but more in line with the Napoleonic Code tradition of France.

  368. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

  369. JimDandy says:
    @David In TN

    If Rittenhouse had been black, nothing would have played out any differently. Instead of being a white supremacist vigilante, he would have been the black face of white supremacist vigilantism.

  370. Luzzatto says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Why did you post a picture of a guy with blond hair to represent the Some Other Race Hispanic when not even the vast majority of Hispanics who check the White box in The U.S Census Forms have blonde hair let alone most Hispanics who check the Some Other Race box in The U.S Census Forms.

    You are extremely pathetic trying to Nordic wash the Hispanic community in The U.S!

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