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For a long time, I’ve been pointing out that American thought is degenerating into a childish Good Guys vs. Bad Guys dichotomy. Personally, I think that’s one of my most important intellectual contributions, but nobody else does because it seems too dumb to be true: Good Guys vs. Bad Guys? C’mon, it must instead have something to do with the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism.

The Rittenhouse controversy, however, seems like a classic exemplification of my concept.

To the left half of the country, the teen marksman looks like the nightmare they’ve been told to expect: a white (if rather swarthy, but never mind that) male with one of those scary rifles. How could anybody not want to beat him to death with a skateboard or shoot him with your illegal handgun?

To the right, his three attackers sound like the Bad Guys.

 
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  1. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tulsi-gabbard-defends-kyle-rittenhouse-just-a-foolish-kid/ar-AAQCsCY

    Interesting to hear Tulsi Gabbard defending Rittenhouse. This surely means a complete break with the Democrats. What her future political career ( if any ) will be, I don’t know. Any suggestions ?

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Verymuchalive

    Gabbard isn’t qualified to comment on the extent of Rittenhouse’s actions.

    That “foolish kid” put an end to the riots and did more to protect The US from threat than she ever did.

    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Verymuchalive

    Maybe she will join Andrew Yang’s new party, which seems to be classical working class liberalism without the identity politics. Frankly, Sinema and Manchin should join as well.

    , @JimDandy
    @Verymuchalive

    The Left's characterization of Kyle as a "Bad Guy" isn't really "dumb" so much as despotic and revolutionary. Kyle interfered with an orchestrated attack on Donald Trump, and for that he must die.

    As for Tulsi, she doesn't have much of a future in politics, alas. Doesn't play ball with the Zionists.

    Replies: @J1234, @Art Deco

    , @Goddard
    @Verymuchalive

    Republican.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Verymuchalive

    She has no political future.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Verymuchalive

    "Tulsi Gabbard"

    A coalition is building between sensible, moderate liberals and sensible, moderate conservatives. People who want to live in a free society. Those consumed by fear and authoritarian fantasies will not be given a passport.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Verymuchalive


    What her future political career ( if any ) will be, I don’t know. Any suggestions?
     
    Her future political career can be predicted from this:

    https://www.weforum.org/people/tulsi-gabbard

    Just like this woman:

    https://www.weforum.org/people/leana-wen

    Or this one:

    https://www.weforum.org/people/jacinda-ardern

    She is not on our side.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

  2. the nightmare they’ve been told to expect: a white (if rather swarthy, but never mind that)

    This might explain why Swarthy-American (Like many people of duel ancestry, Kimmel has chosen one over the other and really embraces his Southern Italian-ness, though his father was a bit mixed so maybe his Italian side was just more cohesive) Kimmel seems much more intent over the Jan 6th pitch invader’s blondeness and whiteness. (Though I wonder if he’ll muse on how the woman’s appearance compares to his wife or his paternal grandmother…)

    Kimmel seems to have become perma-triggered by Trump’s election. (He seriously hasn’t looked right since, can’t get along with guests he looks like he is on the verge of a breakdown or violent rampage at all times)

    I think Steve is a bit unfair though, a case like this will always hinge on ‘good guy’ v ‘bad guy’ (Why’d Rittenhouse go in with a gun to a place full of people who wanted to fight him? Well, why isn’t it on the guys who want to fight him not to start a fight in the first place? etc) because of the nature of the situation. What’s novel and different is that the media has lost all pretense of objectivity and is tacitly treating the situation as another prelude to collective punishment of whites.

    And all of it is due to the media simply not allowing anyone to come out against immigration without being destroyed. This leads to only political extremists and people who don’t care what others think (Often not the best spokesmen for anything) coming out and saying anything making it impossible for the nice liberal professor to ever come out with his anti-immigration opinion.

    Thus ‘anti-immigration’ becomes a proxy for personality type and innate meanness. Thus you have middle and upper middle class liberals losing their minds because suddenly half the country (A lot more if you look at the single issue opinion poll) have just become evil, there can be no rational or legitimate reason to oppose immigration or vote for Donald Trump as the man with a total political monopoly on the issue. It’s causing them to lose their minds because they of this. To them it’s like arguing over whether we should flay 10% of new born babies alive and 50% of people were all for it. And we have an elite running the media who should know better who either can’t bring themselves to understand or who are just as incapable of thinking objectively on this as a neon-haired Tumblr user.

    • Troll: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Altai

    He does seem mentally disturbed, but that is only because he is a product of the deranged times we live in. Look at how he says vicious things that border on bug-f**k crazy, yet the network pays him millions of dollars to say them, and the audience comes to its feet howling their approval. In an insane asylum, the majority of people you meet are insane.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Altai


    And all of it is due to the media simply not allowing anyone to come out against immigration without being destroyed.
     
    It's not just immigration, Altai. That may be the most existential issue, but there are a lot of things the ctrl-left Establishment of this country doesn't want Americans to be able to even discuss in public. (They'd go for private too, if they could ... or, will, when they CAN!)

    I'm not the biggest fan of his (more than I used to be), but John F. Kennedy put it pretty well:

    "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Altai


    Like many people of duel ancestry...
     
    Typo, or pun? Is Scots-Irish descent involved?



    https://georgianera.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/the-petticoat-duellists.jpg?w=1280&h=790
  3. Rittenhouse’s biggest sin is that he’s White. If he was a Black teenager who shot 3 Conservatives, the media and Hollywood would declare him a hero.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Wake up

    "Rittenhouse’s biggest sin is that he’s White."

    You have to get a bit more specific than that. When you actually kick over the rock and really watch which way the bugs scram, you discover something more accurate.

    Rittenhouse's biggest sin is that he's a filthy goy.

    , @Old Prude
    @Wake up

    "If he was a Black teenager who shot 3 Conservatives, the media and Hollywood would declare him a hero." That cannot be denied: Michael Byrd murdered a conservative white woman. QED.

    , @Morris Applebaum IV
    @Wake up

    The perfect example of the double standard is how Michael Byrd was treated after murdering Ashli Babbitt

  4. Mr. Rittenhouse was protecting property using a fire extinguisher. For their efforts, he and others received credible death threats. That is why they were carrying guns.

  5. I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.

    They are barbarians.

    • Agree: Getaclue
    • Thanks: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @Just another serf
    @Shouting Thomas


    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law…
     
    Au contraire, they have a rock solid understanding of Judeo morality and law.
    , @PhysicistDave
    @Shouting Thomas

    Shouting Thomas wrote:


    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.
     
    Well, y'know, the Chinese have no "understanding of Judeo/Christian morality" either, but they did not behave like our Leftists, at least not until they imported Marxism from the West (okay, or maybe when they imported a weird perversion of Christianity in the Taiping Rebellion).

    We need to seriously try to understand what is wrong with the Left psychologically.

    There was no real Left before the French Revolution. What seems to have happened is that a bunch of people who were verbally intelligent and often highly schooled but who were lacking in any actual skill in dealing with physical reality decided that they did not have the power they deserved. And so they decided to get that power.

    I think this description nicely fits Robespierre and his cronies, Marx, the Bolsheviks, and our current Woke Left.

    It's a curious amalgam between extreme arrogance (due to their high verbal skills and often a high level of success in schooling) and extreme insecurity (due to their lack of ability to deal with the real world -- how many hard-core Leftists can repair an airplane engine or engage in high-rise construction or design an integrated circuit?).

    Leftists tend to be both highly successful by some of the standards of modern society (schooling and credentials) and also abysmal failures (in terms of their inability to deal with unfiltered, unmediated physical reality).

    As the Old Left would have said there is, like, a "dialectical contradiction" here!

    Reality is complicated, and no doubt there is no single explanation that explains the pathology of the Left. But I think this simple schema explains a lot.

    Those of us who are anti-Leftists have tended to attack their ideas while letting the Left attack us personally (often in a quite literal, physical sense).

    We need to see that the problem with the Left is not intellectual error: intellectually, their ideas have always been obvious nonsense.

    No, the problem is one of character: they are warped psychologically and emotionally.

    Leftism is a psychological illness of Western modernity.

    The Left cannot be defeated until normal, decent people come to grips with that fact.

    Replies: @Shouting Thomas, @Anonymous, @nebulafox, @S. Anonyia, @Negrolphin Pool, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @James Speaks

    , @Bill Jones
    @Shouting Thomas

    Every time I see Judeo/Christian I want to hurl.

    Replies: @Shouting Thomas

    , @Dr. X
    @Shouting Thomas

    "Judeo/Christian" morality is a misnomer. "Judeo" morality means that God's Chosen get to kill their enemies and steal their land.

    "Christian" morality means that all people are equal in the eyes of God and have intrinsic worth and that people ought not be tried in a show trial on bogus evidence from a paid informant and then tortured to death by crucifixion for calling out the lies of the political and religious elite. Christian morality is the antithesis of "Judeo" morality.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @gandydancer

    , @anonymous coward
    @Shouting Thomas


    Judeo/Christian
     
    What the fuck is that and why did you use this God-awful word?

    What next? "Islamo-Hinduism"? "Buddho-Marxism"?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @MEH 0910

    , @MarkinLA
    @Shouting Thomas

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    Yeah, as long as there are no repercussions, like Commander Red.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Shouting Thomas


    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.
     
    In other words, just like the righty kids on Unz.com.

    If you're going to blame "boomers" for anything, it's poor cultural stewardship. Everyone that has come after them is ignorant and immature.

    Replies: @Getaclue, @John Johnson, @Cato

    , @P. Cleburne
    @Shouting Thomas

    Whenever they think they're ready.

  6. “I think that’s one of my most important intellectual contributions, but nobody else does because it seems too dumb to be true: Good Guys vs. Bad Guys? C’mon, it must instead have something to do with the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism.”

    Steve, I thought Frankfurt School liturgy was Good Guys v Bad Guys based on complexion — “if rather swarthy, but never mind that” — and continent of origin.
    With an “honorary” Good Guy” designation for Ice People who grovel.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    This post was one of Steve's rare missteps.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    , @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    And do we think there were no Bad Guys in this scenario? Look up the records of those anti-White thugs. Does Steve want us to take a nuanced view where we think rioting thugs are the moral equivalent of someone protecting property and life from those thugs?

    Steve's attitude reminds me of those who wanted gray moral equivalence between the USSR and America. The Ivy League set felt this way. Couldn't be bothered getting in a lather against communists. They were actually mad when the USSR collapsed because they wanted careers "managing" global relations with them.

    Give me someone with a clear moral center.

  7. I’m in awe of Kyle’s ability to shoot calmly in that situation. I’ve used firearms all my life but I doubt I could dispatch three miscreants attacking me as efficiently as he did. Also, he ended the riot as it turned out. Heroic stuff.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Slim

    It is notable how large the contrast is between Rittenhouse and the three losers, one is undoubtedly a good guy, the three were almost caricatures of lowlifes. Sometimes there really are just goodies and baddies.

    Replies: @Ralph L

    , @Jack Kennedy
    @Slim

    KR displayed my idea of …. Gun Control

    And America won that day !!

    , @Alden
    @Slim

    I’ve wondered where he learned to shoot like that. He might be like Annie Oakley and some magical snipers. Just natural born eyesight eye hand coordination natural coordination. Plus a massive dose of testosterone, adrenaline and other hormones at the right time right place . I doubt he ever took entry level ballet; something very very useful for coordination.
    He’s just a natural born ultra ultra shooter. And he’s a 17 year old real man.

    The jr lifeguard jr volunteer fireman police explorer training must have helped. My opinion it’s natural inborn talent

  8. Sailer wrote:

    To the left half of the country, the teen marksman looks like the nightmare they’ve been told to expect: a white (if rather swarthy, but never mind that) male with one of those scary rifles.

    The lefties are correct, you know.

    Rittenhouse is their worst nightmare: a normal human being who wants to live in a peaceful country and who is willing to fight for that if he has to.

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident…. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”

    What rightly terrifies the Left is that there still may be millions of Americans who really think that way.

    Not just Kyle Rittenhouse.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
    @PhysicistDave

    This is actually what the "Trial" is about -- a Trial that should never have happened because it is clearly Self Defense -- the Lefty Communists are all about showing anyone who might defend themselves from the Antifa/BLM Arsonist Child Rapists etc. creeps what will happen to them if the do so -- it has nothing to do with the facts of what happened because those clearly show that insane maniacs attacked and were received properly in Self Defense -- and the Mainslime Media is all about this alone, this is what "Gun Control" is about -- stripping you naked to be tortured and murdered by them....

  9. For a long time, I’ve been pointing out that American thought is degenerating into a childish Good Guys vs. Bad Guys dichotomy.

    My opinion -this is the influence of classical Westerns. White hat vs. black hat.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • Replies: @Neuday
    @Bardon Kaldian


    My opinion -this is the influence of classical Westerns. White hat vs. black hat.
     
    I don't think those classical Westerns are much watched by anyone who isn't collecting Social Security, and every single Western since the early 60's has been a study in ambivalence, destroying the very concept of White Hat or Black Hat. The culture since the 60's has been nothing but undermining the meanings of "Good", "Truth", and "Beauty", telling us that the Hero is actually corrupt, the Whore has a heart of gold, and the Criminal is ackchually morally superior. Sorry BK, but you're way off on this one.
    , @Kratoklastes
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Agree, but it goes deeper than that.

    The entire schtick since colonial times has been pretty Manichaean - and it's not a uniquely American, or uniquely Anglo-European, or uniquely Western, or uniquely Christian.

    People who enrich themselves at others' expense will always have a set of apparently-plausible justifications for their behaviour: the pigs get all the milk and the apples, because without the pigs the whole Revolution would collapse and Mr Jones might come back... and nobody wants that.

    (Alternatively: perhaps it's best not to have a revolution, because - and I'm only conjecturing, mind you - it might be that only well-behaved animals get to spend eternity in Sugarcandy Mountain).

    .

    inb4 some dipstick pretends that the likes of Temujin (Chinggis/Genghis Khan) didn't craft justification for themselves: the Tengrists firmly believed in what we would now recognise as 'Manifest Destiny'.

    The Yasa - the 'legal' framework that was promulgated by Chinggis and his successors - has all the standard poetic "Love one another" stuff that one finds in all self-hagiography, along with imposing the death penalty for pretty much everything. (That said: there is no extant written version of the Yasa, so there is only fragmentary evidence for its original contents - much of it dating from 2 centuries after Chinggis' death - but it's clear that his contemporaries considered Chinggis to be a unifying influence; tolerant of religious differences; meritocratic).

    TL;DR: everyone who seeks to live at others' expense, claims to be doing the right thing. Anyone who disagrees is - whether deliberately or through error - supporting the wrong thing.

    Moses makes it clear that he's been told that people supporting the wrong thing have to die - whether it's the 12th century on the plains of Mongolia, the 19th century on the plains of the US midwest, or the 21st century in the mountains of Afghanistan.

    Replies: @Alden

  10. anon[760] • Disclaimer says:

    From the NYT:

    “Making it harder to vote, and harder to understand what the party is really about — these are two parts of the same project” for the Republican Party, Jay Rosen writes. “The conflict with honest journalism is structural. To be its dwindling self, the G.O.P. has to also be at war with the press, unless of course the press folds under pressure.”

    So, yea. Against our contention that the left wants to replace core American voters, the Left has been making charges that the right is anti-Democratic. This is the sad place we are in.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @anon


    Left has been making charges that the right is anti-Democratic.
     
    At this point, it's essentially a verbal tic on the left that everything they don't like is a "threat to Democracy."
    , @3g4me
    @anon

    @10 anon[760]: Many of us on the genuine dissident right are 'anti-democratic.' Your lionized "Founders' were certainly so. Democracy is mob rule +1, besides being an utter sham. Civilized life is naturally hierarchical. For those people capable of running their own lives without blaming others for their own failings, minimal government is obviously preferable. But the great mass of people - certainly the vast majority of women and even a significant subset of White men - are incapable of controlling themselves and behaving like reasonable adults, and require benevolent authoritarian rule by their own who ultimately have the good of their people (writ large, not merely close kin) at heart, more than just personal power and enrichment.

    , @Jack D
    @anon


    Today, the most important axis of political conflict is not between left and right, but between pro- and anti-democracy forces.
     

    The way Rosen sees it, the American mainstream press must make a choice .... will it choose to boldly and aggressively defend truth and democracy?

    These days, Rosen’s view seems almost common-sensical

     

    Perhaps even self-evident?

    The above from the same article. This is what passes for "honest journalism" in 2021. It's exactly what Steve said. Forget about Rittenhouse himself. ALL Republicans are bad guys who wear black hats. The only good Republican is a dead Republican (once he's dead he can vote Democrat - in big cities all dead people are Democrats).

    Democrats represent truth and democracy and Republicans represent lies and dictatorship. Ergo, the press does not really have a choice at all. Of course it must side with "truth". No need to pretend anymore that they are neutral. Did American journalists in WWII write that maybe the Japs had a good reason for bombing Pearl Harbor?

    And by the way, Manchin and Sinema have joined the Axis of Evil and must also be cast along with Republicans into the Outer Darkness. Anyone who is not 100% on board with the Squad is, by definition, against truth and democracy.

    Do the people writing this really lack all self-awareness and sincerely believe this shit? If so, they are even greater fools than I thought. If this was just a cynical ploy, I could accept it but I'm really afraid it isn't and they have been getting high on their own supply.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  11. The Rittenhouse affair is more basic than right vs. left.

    It is/was good vs. evil. Writ large.

    Godless freaks/corrupt media/ evil legal system vs. a genuinely good kid.

    May take a miracle and an Ar-15, but it is inspiring to see that sometimes good can still prevail.

    • Replies: @Ragno
    @Sandy Berger's Socks


    The Rittenhouse affair is more basic than right vs. left.

    It is good vs. evil. Writ large.
     
    100% accurate.

    And based on the open loathing for this brave and selfless kid among our bottom-feeding Golden Elites, eager to be seen calling for his head, a second obvious truth emerges:

    The Blue Checkmark is incontestably the 21st century Mark of the Beast. None who bear it shall be spared.... nor should they. Let no hand be raised to defend them.
  12. @Shouting Thomas
    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.

    They are barbarians.

    Replies: @Just another serf, @PhysicistDave, @Bill Jones, @Dr. X, @anonymous coward, @MarkinLA, @Reg Cæsar, @P. Cleburne

    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law…

    Au contraire, they have a rock solid understanding of Judeo morality and law.

  13. C’mon, it must instead have something to do with the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism.

    Over the years it HAS had to do with the Frankfurt School, but more generally the ctrl-left’s, (OK, just dare to call them Communists) Long March through the Institutions. By this point, more than half a century after they started, that march is complete, and the Establishment is filled with those who believe in power over the rule of law.

    This good guys vs. bad guys thing has been the thinking of the ctrl-left forever. We on the right have long believed that the Rule of Law will protect us and the bad guys will get their due that way. It takes guys like Kyle Rittenhouse to help teach all the conservative but apathetic Americans that we’re going to take matters in our own hands. We can no longer rely on “the system” to take care of the bad guys.

    I am really not sure what the big example is and what the surprise is for. Most of us who know history know very well that the Commies of the left don’t give a rat’s ass about rule of law.

    … I suppose it’s a surprise that it’s been happening so quickly. It is to me.

    • Thanks: Alden
  14. @Shouting Thomas
    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.

    They are barbarians.

    Replies: @Just another serf, @PhysicistDave, @Bill Jones, @Dr. X, @anonymous coward, @MarkinLA, @Reg Cæsar, @P. Cleburne

    Shouting Thomas wrote:

    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.

    Well, y’know, the Chinese have no “understanding of Judeo/Christian morality” either, but they did not behave like our Leftists, at least not until they imported Marxism from the West (okay, or maybe when they imported a weird perversion of Christianity in the Taiping Rebellion).

    We need to seriously try to understand what is wrong with the Left psychologically.

    There was no real Left before the French Revolution. What seems to have happened is that a bunch of people who were verbally intelligent and often highly schooled but who were lacking in any actual skill in dealing with physical reality decided that they did not have the power they deserved. And so they decided to get that power.

    I think this description nicely fits Robespierre and his cronies, Marx, the Bolsheviks, and our current Woke Left.

    It’s a curious amalgam between extreme arrogance (due to their high verbal skills and often a high level of success in schooling) and extreme insecurity (due to their lack of ability to deal with the real world — how many hard-core Leftists can repair an airplane engine or engage in high-rise construction or design an integrated circuit?).

    Leftists tend to be both highly successful by some of the standards of modern society (schooling and credentials) and also abysmal failures (in terms of their inability to deal with unfiltered, unmediated physical reality).

    As the Old Left would have said there is, like, a “dialectical contradiction” here!

    Reality is complicated, and no doubt there is no single explanation that explains the pathology of the Left. But I think this simple schema explains a lot.

    Those of us who are anti-Leftists have tended to attack their ideas while letting the Left attack us personally (often in a quite literal, physical sense).

    We need to see that the problem with the Left is not intellectual error: intellectually, their ideas have always been obvious nonsense.

    No, the problem is one of character: they are warped psychologically and emotionally.

    Leftism is a psychological illness of Western modernity.

    The Left cannot be defeated until normal, decent people come to grips with that fact.

    • Agree: Negrolphin Pool
    • Replies: @Shouting Thomas
    @PhysicistDave

    China also has an ancient traditional moral and law system called Confuscianism.

    The Chinese communists tried to destroy this tradition, producing the same violence as chaos that Western kids who’s failed to learn our Judeo/Christian moral and legal tradition.

    The way back from our catastrophic descent into barbarism is to get kids back in church/temple.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Anonymous
    @PhysicistDave


    It’s a curious amalgam between extreme arrogance (due to their high verbal skills and often a high level of success in schooling) and extreme insecurity (due to their lack of ability to deal with the real world — how many hard-core Leftists can repair an airplane engine or engage in high-rise construction or design an integrated circuit?).

    Leftists tend to be both highly successful by some of the standards of modern society (schooling and credentials) and also abysmal failures (in terms of their inability to deal with unfiltered, unmediated physical reality).
     

    I imagine a lot of them could succeed and a good many of them surpass a lot people who were pushed into STEM or trades. A lot of people have led unsuccessful and unhappy lives after buying into the lie of ‘do/study what you love’.

    When Richard Feynman’s son, Carl, told his father he was studying and planned to major in philosophy at Cornell his father severely castigated him and almost disinherited him. Carl changed his mind and then changed his major to computer science. He went on to have a very successful career at Thinking Machines Corporation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking_Machines_Corporation). In an interview Carl said he was very grateful to his father for forcing him into computer science, a field which he quickly came to love.

    , @nebulafox
    @PhysicistDave

    How does one fix this psychological defect in oneself?

    >okay, or maybe when they imported a weird perversion of Christianity in the Taiping Rebellion).

    The Ming came to power on the backs of an apocalyptic mix of Manicheanism and Chinese style Buddhism that was no less bizarre than the Taiping. The late Han dealt with similar Taoist millenarian movements. Not accusing you of this, but the notion that religious millenarian fervor with strong "let's overturn the world and make utopia" overtones is unique to the Western tradition doesn't check out in history. Human nature has always been what it is. There's something comforting and grounding in that, really.

    What's different is the sheer cognitive dissonance that exists among the Left today in the West... and the desire for permanent revolution for the sake of it.

    , @S. Anonyia
    @PhysicistDave

    Mostly agree, however it’s worth noting in the past decade leftists have become less verbally skilled too, and a lot of them aren’t even that successful in terms of credentials anymore. They increasingly rely on dogma and brute force.

    , @Negrolphin Pool
    @PhysicistDave


    Leftists tend to be both highly successful by some of the standards of modern society (schooling and credentials) and also abysmal failures (in terms of their inability to deal with unfiltered, unmediated physical reality).
     
    This is quite similar to what Ted Kaczynski asserts in Industrial Society and Its Future, namely that there is an increasing proportion of those who cannot engage in the deepest human drive: the process of autonomously exercising meaningful power over one's domain.

    Kaczynski argues that there are simply too many people who can easily survive by going through the nature-detached daily motions of modern life but who can never experience anything like the boundless autonomy that ancestral man knew through personal mastery of his natural world, fishing, hunting, constructing a shelter with his own hands. These are the conditions in which we evolved for millennia and for which we are optimized. The further technology-driven modernity strays from that paradigm, the more we see a panoply of maladaptive behaviors (leftism).

    A complimentary explanation is offered by Edward Dutton. He posits that the industrial revolution was so effective at eliminating Darwinian selection pressures that we have slowly been overrun with spiteful mutants, people whose minds suffer from high mutational load and consequently whose behaviors are so maladaptive that they threaten even the fit.

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @Tony massey

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @PhysicistDave

    at least not until they imported Marxism from the West (okay, or maybe when they imported a weird perversion of Christianity in the Taiping Rebellion).

    These foreign ideologies or weird sects take hold when there's a crisis of civilization and demand for it.

    Millenarian sects showed up mainly in two eras: late Han, when Confucianism and Zhou religion of Heaven was facing spiritual crisis. Late Qing, when Neo-Confucianism 宋明理学 (syncretism of Confucianism, Daoism and Buddhism) was again facing spiritual crisis.

    There were not many of these sects for a thousand years from 4 to 14CE, when Buddhism and Neo-Confucianism were introduced and led to civilizational renewal.

    Also, opium was around in China since 6CE but there was never an addiction problem (alcohol was more so). The "opioid epidemic" only took hold in late Qing around the same time as the sects.

    Antiquity
    Xia 夏 dynasty (2070 – 1600 BC)
    Shang 商 dynasty (1600 – 1046 BC)
    Zhou 周 dynasty (1046 – 256 BC)
    Spring and Autumn 春秋 period (722 – 476 BC)
    Warring States 战国 period (476 – 221 BC)
    1st Empire
    Qin 秦 dynasty (221 – 206 BC)
    Han 汉 dynasty (206 BC – AD 220)
    Three Kingdoms 三国 (AD 220 – 280)
    Jin 晋 dynasty (AD 266 – 420)
    Northern and Southern dynasties 南北朝 (AD 420 – 589)
    2nd Empire
    Sui 隋 dynasty (AD 581 – 618)
    Tang 唐 dynasty (AD 618 – 907)
    Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms 五代十国 (AD 907 – 960)
    Song, Liao, Jin, and Western Xia dynasties 宋辽金夏 (AD 960 – 1279)
    3rd Empire
    Yuan 元 dynasty (AD 1271 – 1368)
    Ming 明 dynasty (AD 1368 – 1644)
    Qing 清 dynasty (AD 1644 – 1912)
    Modern
    Republic of China (AD 1912 – present)
    PRC (AD 1949 – present)

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @James Speaks
    @PhysicistDave

    Socialist “thinkers” can’t do math and science; it is too difficult to learn. They conclude it is beneath them and they create feel good pseudo science. Then they conclude they’re right.

    I once gave a presentation on philosophy. My conclusion: periodically, philosophy abandons its past in order to take a new direction. New dogma replaces old dogma.

    Science doesn’t do that; it validates its history.

    My presentation was not well received.

  15. anon[760] • Disclaimer says:

    Fox News has mentioned the dead and wounded victims were convicted child molestors or domestic abusers. But most of the public is in the dark.

    But the AP hints at it and almost spills the beans:

    MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — An effort by prosecutors at Kyle Rittenhouse’s murder trial to portray one of the men he shot as a hero never got off the ground Friday — and one legal expert said they were probably fortunate it didn’t.

    Rittenhouse, 18, is on trial on several counts including homicide in the August 2020 shootings during street unrest in Kenosha. Among the dead was Anthony Huber, a 26-year-old protester who was seen on bystander video hitting Rittenhouse with a skateboard before he was fatally shot.

    Huber’s great-aunt, Susan Hughes, was testifying about Huber in a matter-of-fact manner, talking about their relationship, how he ended up at the protest and how he always carried a skateboard.

    Then prosecutor James Kraus posed a question: “We’ve seen video here, and you may have seen video as well, that Anthony Huber ran towards Kyle Rittenhouse while Kyle Rittenhouse was armed. Were you surprised, when you heard about that? Were you surprised by his actions?”

    As defense attorney Corey Chirafisi swiftly objected, Kraus posed another: “Had you ever seen Anthony Huber run towards danger?”

    Hughes said, “Yes,” before Chirafisi objected again and testimony was stopped.

    Without the jurors present, Chirafisi argued that if prosecutors were allowed to present evidence that characterizes Huber as a peaceful man, then the defense would be allowed to bring up evidence from Huber’s past that could paint a different picture.

    That included criminal cases involving alleged violence Huber committed against his own family members, with the defense reciting in courtroom a detailed account of those allegations.

    “I would normally not move to admit those,” Chirafisi said. “However, if they’re saying that this is a peaceful man… .”

    Judge Bruce Schroeder agreed, and Kraus withdrew the line of questioning, effectively ending Hughes’ testimony.

    Whereas Fox News gets right at it:

    A convicted child rapist called Joseph Rosenbaum was released from a mental hospital, then went directly to join the mob that was burning downtown Kenosha. Once he got to the riot, Rosenbaum saw Kyle Rittenhouse and immediately threatened to kill him.

    So, yes … depending on your News Source, it is two different trials.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @anon

    Those are Tucker's words. A child rapist "called" is the tell.

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @anon

    Pedo manlet/Rosenbaum was already tag-teaming with Ziminski/Gun hobo (and his bag-o-rocks toting consort; dunno if that was his wife or what, can't stand to examine them for too long) before the orc horde was unleashed into the city.

    Z was waving his pistol around the whole time like Johnny Tyler. Before the rioters were even ordered into action, and he definitely fired the first shot of the night, which spooked the cornered Kid.
    The pair of them seem to have worked out a primitive ambush strategy for lone patriots beforehand.
    But they didn't count on Kyle being so damn good at his appointed task.

    I've no info on whether these two creeps knew each other previously. I imagine they each had lots of normal, sane and civilized friends, and not that maggots tend to settle together at the bottom of the garbage pail.

  16. I’m less surprised that “a childish Good Guys vs. Bad Guys dichotomy” has been applied to the case of the seventeen year old who became a lifeguard and fire department cadet because he wanted to help people, vs the convicted child molester who’d made death threats against him and who died screaming obscenities while grabbing for his weapon,

    -than I am that so many people get the sides wrong.

    • Agree: JimDandy, Catdog, TWS, Bumpkin
  17. @PhysicistDave
    @Shouting Thomas

    Shouting Thomas wrote:


    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.
     
    Well, y'know, the Chinese have no "understanding of Judeo/Christian morality" either, but they did not behave like our Leftists, at least not until they imported Marxism from the West (okay, or maybe when they imported a weird perversion of Christianity in the Taiping Rebellion).

    We need to seriously try to understand what is wrong with the Left psychologically.

    There was no real Left before the French Revolution. What seems to have happened is that a bunch of people who were verbally intelligent and often highly schooled but who were lacking in any actual skill in dealing with physical reality decided that they did not have the power they deserved. And so they decided to get that power.

    I think this description nicely fits Robespierre and his cronies, Marx, the Bolsheviks, and our current Woke Left.

    It's a curious amalgam between extreme arrogance (due to their high verbal skills and often a high level of success in schooling) and extreme insecurity (due to their lack of ability to deal with the real world -- how many hard-core Leftists can repair an airplane engine or engage in high-rise construction or design an integrated circuit?).

    Leftists tend to be both highly successful by some of the standards of modern society (schooling and credentials) and also abysmal failures (in terms of their inability to deal with unfiltered, unmediated physical reality).

    As the Old Left would have said there is, like, a "dialectical contradiction" here!

    Reality is complicated, and no doubt there is no single explanation that explains the pathology of the Left. But I think this simple schema explains a lot.

    Those of us who are anti-Leftists have tended to attack their ideas while letting the Left attack us personally (often in a quite literal, physical sense).

    We need to see that the problem with the Left is not intellectual error: intellectually, their ideas have always been obvious nonsense.

    No, the problem is one of character: they are warped psychologically and emotionally.

    Leftism is a psychological illness of Western modernity.

    The Left cannot be defeated until normal, decent people come to grips with that fact.

    Replies: @Shouting Thomas, @Anonymous, @nebulafox, @S. Anonyia, @Negrolphin Pool, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @James Speaks

    China also has an ancient traditional moral and law system called Confuscianism.

    The Chinese communists tried to destroy this tradition, producing the same violence as chaos that Western kids who’s failed to learn our Judeo/Christian moral and legal tradition.

    The way back from our catastrophic descent into barbarism is to get kids back in church/temple.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Shouting Thomas

    No it's not, Chaim. The way back is to burn down your "temples."

    Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV

  18. White guy shoots and kills white guys, and black people (et al) are making it a race issue, and are paying attention to the trial as if it was a race issue. Ironically, the Arbery trial is going on at the same time.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @countenance

    Antifa are honorary blacks, which explains why LeBron had to dish out his take on Rittenhouse being really eeebil and crying on purpose.

    , @Clyde
    @countenance


    White guy shoots and kills white guys, and black people (et al) are making it a race issue, and are paying attention to the trial as if it was a race issue. Ironically, the Arbery trial is going on at the same time.
     
    You have some real black on black action in NYC, where the thug looking BLM leader, looks like he spent time in prison, is threatening chaos, burning and rioting if incoming mayor Eric Adams reinstitutes intensive policing. The program that DeBlasio eliminated. The program that black criminals hate.

    Eric Adams explains why he supports stop-and-frisk, …
    https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2021/05/...
    May 25, 2021 · Eric Adams explains why he supports stop-and-frisk, when it's used legally. Mayoral candidate Eric Adams testified during the Bloomberg era against the NYPD’s misuse of …
     
    , @Eric Novak
    @countenance

    Blacks and lefty media said that hard hat-wearing Vietnam Vet right wingers who beat Hippie protesters in the late 1960s and early 1970s were really beating on blacks too.

  19. Personally, I think that’s one of my most important intellectual contributions, but nobody else does because it seems too dumb to be true: Good Guys vs. Bad Guys? C’mon, it must instead have something to do with the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism.

    C’mon, at least with regard to this fact set that is a straw man argument. Or maybe a knee-jerk “a pox on both houses.”

    I’m fascinated by the studied lack of interest in what looks to me at least as a targeting of a 17 year old by Antifa/BLM filth. It seems for the wise heads on both sides of this equation it’s too boring to investigate what sure looks like a planned and organized assault on Kyle by a team of convicted sexual predators.

    Also, don’t underestimate how much Kyle makes men of all political and ideological stripes feel bad about themselves. He not only acted to protect innocents in Kenosha but he successfully protected himself in what remains an astounding performance of self-defense. And it wasn’t even his home town.

    Meanwhile, the men who should have been protecting their community stayed home, pissing their pants, waiting for a vaccine.

    There’s a complex love/hate psychology surrounding heroic figures like Congressional Medal of Honor recipients. We reveal more about ourselves than them in how we react to their courage under fire.

    • Thanks: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @MLK

    "Meanwhile, the men who should have been protecting their community stayed home, pissing their pants, waiting for a vaccine."

    Pro comment, thread winner.

  20. “…due to their high verbal skills and often a high level of success in schooling…”

    Schooling is the correct word- rather than education.

    This is an important point- I doubt, Dave, there are many unintelligent people with degrees in, say, Physics, but there are tons of 4.0s in the softer disciplines, who are, not to put too fine a point on it, not all that bright, and who look with utter contempt on the science majors, or people who do what I’d call useful work. I live in a college town, and that attitude of sneering condescension toward the “lower orders” is pervasive. (Don’t get me started on the disdain the women’s studies types have for stay at home moms)

    I should point out here, that I fit the description of overeducated boob- both my grandfathers, one a Swedish immigrant brass caster, the other a Wabasha County, MN watermelon farmer, would be disgusted by my lack of practical knowledge, and my inability to do anything with my hands. Putting together IKEA furniture tests the limits of my mechanical abilities.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Ganderson

    Neither of your grandfathers were born knowing the things they knew in midlife. And both of them would probably be just as inept at "practical," hands-on things as you are if they had been born when you were born. Their genes, of course, make up half of yours. Well more than half, really, if we consider how many genes your grandmothers shared with them.

    , @John Johnson
    @Ganderson

    This is an important point- I doubt, Dave, there are many unintelligent people with degrees in, say, Physics, but there are tons of 4.0s in the softer disciplines, who are, not to put too fine a point on it, not all that bright, and who look with utter contempt on the science majors, or people who do what I’d call useful work.

    There aren't unintelligent people with physics degrees from accredited program. You can't cheat or slack your way through them. There are people that are intelligent but lack common sense or are unable to separate ideology and reality. That flaw is often mistaken for a lack of intelligence. If anything a lot of college educated Whites use their intelligence to help them deny reality. It can come across as stupidity but they are just using their minds to alter their take on reality for their own comfort. I would trust my Mexican contractor to develop racial policy over just about any White with a non-medical PhD. Whites with advanced degrees are often the worst when it comes to deluding themselves or others when it comes to race.

    The real problem right now is that the humanities and social sciences have ideological filtering. People that naturally excel in them aren't anymore welcome than rational White men. Many of these degrees have become social associations of mediocre middle class workers. They exist primarily to make liberal White women and second rate men feel superior to the rest of society. These groups aren't interested in rational thinkers that can sniff out ideological BS but they also don't want to be overshadowed by someone that is a natural poet or author. The mediocre resent excellence in their own ranks. What they want is affirmation, not a reminder of their averageness.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Ganderson

    Gandy, where have you been? Nice comment and it is always nice to point out our own flaws when so many point out the flaws of others. Stay safe.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Ganderson


    both my grandfathers, one a Swedish immigrant brass caster, the other a Wabasha County watermelon farmer
     
    Were either of them named Leroy? Or their wives Delores, with two Es? So white Leroys go for watermelon, too!

    I like to bite right in and chomp the seeds. Sadly, the ones at the store have been spayed.

    Replies: @Ganderson

    , @Bumpkin
    @Ganderson


    both my grandfathers, one a Swedish immigrant brass caster, the other a Wabasha County, MN watermelon farmer, would be disgusted by my lack of practical knowledge, and my inability to do anything with my hands. Putting together IKEA furniture tests the limits of my mechanical abilities.
     
    Eh, that was the practical knowledge of their time: today it would be writing networking software or knowing how to use CAD software to design a computer chip or electrical motor. The world has gotten a lot more specialized, so as long as you practice some skill that ultimately faces the harsh discipline of the real world, you're good.

    Dave doesn't say this outright but many in the STEM fields too are shielded from the real world, whether Physics university professors who fantasize about unfalsifiable theories like string theory or the blue-haired "web design" dimwits who threw tantrums till the more technically-adept James Damore was thrown out of google.

    You can be a HS teacher who engages with the real world or a Physicist who doesn't: the critical factor is "lack of ability to deal with the real world," not what field you're in.
  21. A couple of days back, I had commented that NBC’s morning show Today had aired a segment on the Kenosha trial that was reasonably non-hostile to Rittenhouse. Given that NBC Nightly News has been staunchly pro-prosecution, I had wondered if a rift was developing at that network.

    Well, today, Today is again rooting for the Good Guy Assistant District Attorney, and puzzled by the judge’s testiness towards him. Reporter Gabe Gutierrez ended the piece by interviewing an impartial observer, Jacob Blake’s uncle. The uncle expressed remorse over Jacob’s reckless and dangerous actions, which endangered his kids and the cops, led to his injuries, and sparked the riots.

    Ha! Kidding! Why would a reporter ask about that? Prompted by Gutierrez, Jacob’s uncle used his air time to express contempt for Rittenhouse, and the hope that Rittenhouse gets the murder conviction and jail time that he deserves.

    So whatever problem may have arisen at NBC, this morning showed that it has been resolved.

    • LOL: Nicholas Stix
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @ic1000

    The resolution is simple.
    Not guilty.
    Blame the Judge.

    , @Rooster111
    @ic1000

    The MSM has done more harm to this country than any foreign terrorist could ever do.

  22. @countenance
    White guy shoots and kills white guys, and black people (et al) are making it a race issue, and are paying attention to the trial as if it was a race issue. Ironically, the Arbery trial is going on at the same time.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Clyde, @Eric Novak

    Antifa are honorary blacks, which explains why LeBron had to dish out his take on Rittenhouse being really eeebil and crying on purpose.

  23. @Shouting Thomas
    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.

    They are barbarians.

    Replies: @Just another serf, @PhysicistDave, @Bill Jones, @Dr. X, @anonymous coward, @MarkinLA, @Reg Cæsar, @P. Cleburne

    Every time I see Judeo/Christian I want to hurl.

    • Replies: @Shouting Thomas
    @Bill Jones

    You need to get over this. Get rid of your illusions about your brilliance.

    Judeo/Christian law is the Ten Commandments.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Bill Jones, @Hangnail Hans, @anon

  24. @ic1000
    A couple of days back, I had commented that NBC's morning show Today had aired a segment on the Kenosha trial that was reasonably non-hostile to Rittenhouse. Given that NBC Nightly News has been staunchly pro-prosecution, I had wondered if a rift was developing at that network.

    Well, today, Today is again rooting for the Good Guy Assistant District Attorney, and puzzled by the judge's testiness towards him. Reporter Gabe Gutierrez ended the piece by interviewing an impartial observer, Jacob Blake's uncle. The uncle expressed remorse over Jacob's reckless and dangerous actions, which endangered his kids and the cops, led to his injuries, and sparked the riots.

    Ha! Kidding! Why would a reporter ask about that? Prompted by Gutierrez, Jacob's uncle used his air time to express contempt for Rittenhouse, and the hope that Rittenhouse gets the murder conviction and jail time that he deserves.

    So whatever problem may have arisen at NBC, this morning showed that it has been resolved.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Rooster111

    The resolution is simple.
    Not guilty.
    Blame the Judge.

  25. The Blue Checka:

    • Replies: @Dr. Krankenschmaltz
    @Anonymous

    It's as if we live in a computer simulation and these "persons" we thought we knew from media are really just NPCs. If I spoke to Morgan Freeman in person, could he respond beyond just a head nod, grin or some small talk?

    , @Twinkie
    @Anonymous

    I say to these MoFos: “Then let us separate… this time peacefully.”

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @Ben tillman
    @Anonymous

    The first reply:

    “They should move to the United States.”

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @Anonymous

    It's been suggested that for social media entities, a blue check mark might as well be a yellow star, and they don't seem to realize this.
    Although Andy Ngo and the Trump Tribe have all got one. Oh dear how sad never mind. Get in the cattle car, Andy and Donny. The blue bird is an infallible judge.

  26. @Shouting Thomas
    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.

    They are barbarians.

    Replies: @Just another serf, @PhysicistDave, @Bill Jones, @Dr. X, @anonymous coward, @MarkinLA, @Reg Cæsar, @P. Cleburne

    “Judeo/Christian” morality is a misnomer. “Judeo” morality means that God’s Chosen get to kill their enemies and steal their land.

    “Christian” morality means that all people are equal in the eyes of God and have intrinsic worth and that people ought not be tried in a show trial on bogus evidence from a paid informant and then tortured to death by crucifixion for calling out the lies of the political and religious elite. Christian morality is the antithesis of “Judeo” morality.

    • Agree: LondonBob, Lurker, anarchyst
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Dr. X

    Someone aptly said "Judeo-Christian" is like "Oswald-Kennedyan," as you outline for the first one of these, the first clause of each refers to the murderers of the latter. Not the sort of thing sane and honest people do.

    , @gandydancer
    @Dr. X


    “Judeo” morality means that God’s Chosen get to kill their enemies and steal their land.
     
    Funny how that happened in the Americas with virtually no Jews present. Indeed, it was happening in the Americas before there were any whites present. And the human race was doing it everywhere since the beginning of time before the invention of the Yahweh myth.

    Here we have a story in which Jewishness plays no part whatsoever, but the Jews on the Brain types can't help themselves. And when that happens they say the stupidest things.

    Replies: @Alden

  27. To the left half of the country, the teen marksman looks like the nightmare they’ve been told to expect

    Who told them that patriotic White Christian men are a “nightmare”?

    it must instead have something to do with the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism

    There’s your answer.

    “Rightists” who claim to be “on our side”, who nevertheless instinctively rush to the defense of poor misunderstood “philosopher” Herbert Marcuse, such as Richard Hanania and Paul Gottfried, are not merely enemies of the American people, they are the absolute worst enemies of the American people.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  28. @Bill Jones
    @Shouting Thomas

    Every time I see Judeo/Christian I want to hurl.

    Replies: @Shouting Thomas

    You need to get over this. Get rid of your illusions about your brilliance.

    Judeo/Christian law is the Ten Commandments.

    • Disagree: Chris Mallory, Gordo
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Shouting Thomas


    Judeo/Christian law
     
    The term “Judeo-Christian” is a 20th Century invention that was coined in a spirit of generous ecumenism in the US., but is historically, philosophically, and religiously a false construct.

    I largely agree with Razib Khan on this: https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018/03/06/on-the-semiotics-of-judeo-christian-as-a-misdirection/

    Read the whole thing - it’s not long, but this is the key summary:

    Western civilization as a project after Late Antiquity and before the modern period was never a partnership between the Jews and Western Christians. It was the project of Western Christian societies, which eventually fractured during the Reformation, and repaired themselves back into some sort of whole in the wake of the Peace of Westphalia. The transformations of the 18th century ushered in the revolutionary changes which allowed for Jews to become participants in Western civilization as something besides Christians.
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @rebel yell

    , @Bill Jones
    @Shouting Thomas

    Well you mind numbingly ignorant jerk you might begin by realizing that the system of English Common Law on which the Anglo-sphere is based has fuck-all to do with your "Ten Commandments".

    Replies: @rebel yell, @Hibernian

    , @Hangnail Hans
    @Shouting Thomas

    Though many qualifiers were inserted into the "historical record" over the centuries, what we know of Jesus Christ's teachings show them to be a thorough renunciation of mosaic law.

    "Judeo-Christian" describes a house divided against itself.

    Replies: @G. Poulin, @Hibernian, @Matt Buckalew

    , @anon
    @Shouting Thomas

    Western civilization is Hellenic-Christian.

    Replies: @HA

  29. @Shouting Thomas
    @PhysicistDave

    China also has an ancient traditional moral and law system called Confuscianism.

    The Chinese communists tried to destroy this tradition, producing the same violence as chaos that Western kids who’s failed to learn our Judeo/Christian moral and legal tradition.

    The way back from our catastrophic descent into barbarism is to get kids back in church/temple.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    No it’s not, Chaim. The way back is to burn down your “temples.”

    • Agree: Tony massey
    • Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV
    @AndrewR

    It's safe to say that you've got the bad guy role nailed down pretty well.

  30. @Ganderson
    “…due to their high verbal skills and often a high level of success in schooling…”

    Schooling is the correct word- rather than education.

    This is an important point- I doubt, Dave, there are many unintelligent people with degrees in, say, Physics, but there are tons of 4.0s in the softer disciplines, who are, not to put too fine a point on it, not all that bright, and who look with utter contempt on the science majors, or people who do what I’d call useful work. I live in a college town, and that attitude of sneering condescension toward the “lower orders” is pervasive. (Don’t get me started on the disdain the women’s studies types have for stay at home moms)

    I should point out here, that I fit the description of overeducated boob- both my grandfathers, one a Swedish immigrant brass caster, the other a Wabasha County, MN watermelon farmer, would be disgusted by my lack of practical knowledge, and my inability to do anything with my hands. Putting together IKEA furniture tests the limits of my mechanical abilities.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @John Johnson, @Buffalo Joe, @Reg Cæsar, @Bumpkin

    Neither of your grandfathers were born knowing the things they knew in midlife. And both of them would probably be just as inept at “practical,” hands-on things as you are if they had been born when you were born. Their genes, of course, make up half of yours. Well more than half, really, if we consider how many genes your grandmothers shared with them.

  31. @Shouting Thomas
    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.

    They are barbarians.

    Replies: @Just another serf, @PhysicistDave, @Bill Jones, @Dr. X, @anonymous coward, @MarkinLA, @Reg Cæsar, @P. Cleburne

    Judeo/Christian

    What the fuck is that and why did you use this God-awful word?

    What next? “Islamo-Hinduism”? “Buddho-Marxism”?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @anonymous coward



    Judeo/Christian
     
    What the 🫂 is that and why did you use this God-awful word?
     
    I have never met a Christian, of any stripe, who didn't accept, if not embrace the Old Testament.

    Christian = 20-century tradition
    Judeo-Christian = 60-century tradition

    Yes, Jews use the term in a more contemporary sense versus the historical sense used by Christians. They seek allies while we seek more time.

    The old joke is that Britons think 200 miles is a long way, while/whilst Americans think 200 years is a long time. Different perspectives.

    Replies: @Jack D, @John Johnson, @Roger

    , @MEH 0910
    @anonymous coward


    What next? “Islamo-Hinduism”? “Buddho-Marxism”?
     
    https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Zensunni
  32. Is this related to intelligence?

    It seems not, as some very intelligent people fall for the good/bad, angels vs. devils fallacy, and some very simple people understand the folksy wisdom that the world exists in shades of grey.

    I’d say it has more to do with life experience. Sheltered people tend to see the world through a very narrow lens.

    As humans spend more time learning life lessons in a virtual world, it seems to me that trends will continue, albeit in an altered form: those who exist in a digital echo chamber will confirm their notions of good and bad, and those who boldly explore the uncensored web will gain a more nuanced take.

  33. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:

    Kyle was a good guy. The town had decided to let disorder exist. At a certain point, citizens have to take action. And even that said, they were smart enough not to fire on arsonists, but only in self defense. And they were cleaning graffiti earlier in the day.

    One of the reasons we have our comfy Western lifestyle is the willingness of young men to die in combat. C.S. Lewis made this point. It’s something for all the old farts and feminazis to remember. It’s so easy to resent the lifeguard when you are sitting on the shore. When you’re drowning, you appreciate him.

    These people were thugs who thought they could beat the shit out of and disarm Kyle. I’m glad he wasted two of them and injured a third. Too bad he didn’t kill “jump kick man” also.

    • Agree: Lurker, Gordo
    • Replies: @Not you
    @Anonymous


    One of the reasons we have our comfy Western lifestyle is the willingness of young men to die in combat.
     
    If that were true, human progress would have stopped on January 8, 1815.
    , @FPD72
    @Anonymous


    One of the reasons we have our comfy Western lifestyle is the willingness of young men to die in combat. C.S. Lewis made this point.
     
    There is a movie about Lewis in theaters right now that traces his intellectual journey from atheist to Christian, C.S. Lewis: The Most Reluctant Convert. His WWI experiences on the Western Front figure prominently in the film, as does Lewis’ relationship with Tolkien. The movie was filmed on location in Oxford and it’s environs.
  34. @Wake up
    Rittenhouse’s biggest sin is that he’s White. If he was a Black teenager who shot 3 Conservatives, the media and Hollywood would declare him a hero.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Old Prude, @Morris Applebaum IV

    “Rittenhouse’s biggest sin is that he’s White.”

    You have to get a bit more specific than that. When you actually kick over the rock and really watch which way the bugs scram, you discover something more accurate.

    Rittenhouse’s biggest sin is that he’s a filthy goy.

  35. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave
    @Shouting Thomas

    Shouting Thomas wrote:


    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.
     
    Well, y'know, the Chinese have no "understanding of Judeo/Christian morality" either, but they did not behave like our Leftists, at least not until they imported Marxism from the West (okay, or maybe when they imported a weird perversion of Christianity in the Taiping Rebellion).

    We need to seriously try to understand what is wrong with the Left psychologically.

    There was no real Left before the French Revolution. What seems to have happened is that a bunch of people who were verbally intelligent and often highly schooled but who were lacking in any actual skill in dealing with physical reality decided that they did not have the power they deserved. And so they decided to get that power.

    I think this description nicely fits Robespierre and his cronies, Marx, the Bolsheviks, and our current Woke Left.

    It's a curious amalgam between extreme arrogance (due to their high verbal skills and often a high level of success in schooling) and extreme insecurity (due to their lack of ability to deal with the real world -- how many hard-core Leftists can repair an airplane engine or engage in high-rise construction or design an integrated circuit?).

    Leftists tend to be both highly successful by some of the standards of modern society (schooling and credentials) and also abysmal failures (in terms of their inability to deal with unfiltered, unmediated physical reality).

    As the Old Left would have said there is, like, a "dialectical contradiction" here!

    Reality is complicated, and no doubt there is no single explanation that explains the pathology of the Left. But I think this simple schema explains a lot.

    Those of us who are anti-Leftists have tended to attack their ideas while letting the Left attack us personally (often in a quite literal, physical sense).

    We need to see that the problem with the Left is not intellectual error: intellectually, their ideas have always been obvious nonsense.

    No, the problem is one of character: they are warped psychologically and emotionally.

    Leftism is a psychological illness of Western modernity.

    The Left cannot be defeated until normal, decent people come to grips with that fact.

    Replies: @Shouting Thomas, @Anonymous, @nebulafox, @S. Anonyia, @Negrolphin Pool, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @James Speaks

    It’s a curious amalgam between extreme arrogance (due to their high verbal skills and often a high level of success in schooling) and extreme insecurity (due to their lack of ability to deal with the real world — how many hard-core Leftists can repair an airplane engine or engage in high-rise construction or design an integrated circuit?).

    Leftists tend to be both highly successful by some of the standards of modern society (schooling and credentials) and also abysmal failures (in terms of their inability to deal with unfiltered, unmediated physical reality).

    I imagine a lot of them could succeed and a good many of them surpass a lot people who were pushed into STEM or trades. A lot of people have led unsuccessful and unhappy lives after buying into the lie of ‘do/study what you love’.

    When Richard Feynman’s son, Carl, told his father he was studying and planned to major in philosophy at Cornell his father severely castigated him and almost disinherited him. Carl changed his mind and then changed his major to computer science. He went on to have a very successful career at Thinking Machines Corporation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking_Machines_Corporation). In an interview Carl said he was very grateful to his father for forcing him into computer science, a field which he quickly came to love.

  36. Gee. A pedophile, a woman beater, and a burglar spending the evening torching buildings. I wonder why anyone would think of them as “bad guys”?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @nebulafox

    "Gee. A pedophile, a woman beater, and a burglar spending the evening torching buildings. I wonder why anyone would think of them as “bad guys”?"

    Right. Matt Goetz, Corey Lewandowski, and Paul Manofort.

    Replies: @D. K., @Boomthorkell

  37. @Anonymous
    The Blue Checka:
    https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/1458276121393389572?s=20

    Replies: @Dr. Krankenschmaltz, @Twinkie, @Ben tillman, @Expletive Deleted

    It’s as if we live in a computer simulation and these “persons” we thought we knew from media are really just NPCs. If I spoke to Morgan Freeman in person, could he respond beyond just a head nod, grin or some small talk?

  38. • Thanks: Not Raul
    • Replies: @Dube
    @fnn

    I was going to post a jibe that the world knows Kyle killed George Floyd, but now I wonder how many respondents in a poll would agree.

    Replies: @Fidelios Automata

  39. @PhysicistDave
    @Shouting Thomas

    Shouting Thomas wrote:


    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.
     
    Well, y'know, the Chinese have no "understanding of Judeo/Christian morality" either, but they did not behave like our Leftists, at least not until they imported Marxism from the West (okay, or maybe when they imported a weird perversion of Christianity in the Taiping Rebellion).

    We need to seriously try to understand what is wrong with the Left psychologically.

    There was no real Left before the French Revolution. What seems to have happened is that a bunch of people who were verbally intelligent and often highly schooled but who were lacking in any actual skill in dealing with physical reality decided that they did not have the power they deserved. And so they decided to get that power.

    I think this description nicely fits Robespierre and his cronies, Marx, the Bolsheviks, and our current Woke Left.

    It's a curious amalgam between extreme arrogance (due to their high verbal skills and often a high level of success in schooling) and extreme insecurity (due to their lack of ability to deal with the real world -- how many hard-core Leftists can repair an airplane engine or engage in high-rise construction or design an integrated circuit?).

    Leftists tend to be both highly successful by some of the standards of modern society (schooling and credentials) and also abysmal failures (in terms of their inability to deal with unfiltered, unmediated physical reality).

    As the Old Left would have said there is, like, a "dialectical contradiction" here!

    Reality is complicated, and no doubt there is no single explanation that explains the pathology of the Left. But I think this simple schema explains a lot.

    Those of us who are anti-Leftists have tended to attack their ideas while letting the Left attack us personally (often in a quite literal, physical sense).

    We need to see that the problem with the Left is not intellectual error: intellectually, their ideas have always been obvious nonsense.

    No, the problem is one of character: they are warped psychologically and emotionally.

    Leftism is a psychological illness of Western modernity.

    The Left cannot be defeated until normal, decent people come to grips with that fact.

    Replies: @Shouting Thomas, @Anonymous, @nebulafox, @S. Anonyia, @Negrolphin Pool, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @James Speaks

    How does one fix this psychological defect in oneself?

    >okay, or maybe when they imported a weird perversion of Christianity in the Taiping Rebellion).

    The Ming came to power on the backs of an apocalyptic mix of Manicheanism and Chinese style Buddhism that was no less bizarre than the Taiping. The late Han dealt with similar Taoist millenarian movements. Not accusing you of this, but the notion that religious millenarian fervor with strong “let’s overturn the world and make utopia” overtones is unique to the Western tradition doesn’t check out in history. Human nature has always been what it is. There’s something comforting and grounding in that, really.

    What’s different is the sheer cognitive dissonance that exists among the Left today in the West… and the desire for permanent revolution for the sake of it.

  40. @Shouting Thomas
    @Bill Jones

    You need to get over this. Get rid of your illusions about your brilliance.

    Judeo/Christian law is the Ten Commandments.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Bill Jones, @Hangnail Hans, @anon

    Judeo/Christian law

    The term “Judeo-Christian” is a 20th Century invention that was coined in a spirit of generous ecumenism in the US., but is historically, philosophically, and religiously a false construct.

    I largely agree with Razib Khan on this: https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018/03/06/on-the-semiotics-of-judeo-christian-as-a-misdirection/

    Read the whole thing – it’s not long, but this is the key summary:

    Western civilization as a project after Late Antiquity and before the modern period was never a partnership between the Jews and Western Christians. It was the project of Western Christian societies, which eventually fractured during the Reformation, and repaired themselves back into some sort of whole in the wake of the Peace of Westphalia. The transformations of the 18th century ushered in the revolutionary changes which allowed for Jews to become participants in Western civilization as something besides Christians.

    • Agree: JMcG, JerseyJeffersonian
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    The term “Judeo-Christian” is a 20th Century invention that was coined in a spirit of generous ecumenism in the US., but is historically, philosophically, and religiously a false construct.

    Interesting they would opt for Judeo-Christian than Catholo-Protestant, or Ortho-Catholo-Protestant.

    Christians are divided among themselves but share in common an awed appreciation for Jewishness, at least following World War II.

    Judeo-Christian is useful in that Christianity grew out of Judaism(and would have been inconceivable without it). It's rather like Anglo-American. America broke free from Britain in a hard fought war, but one grew out of the other. Still, as one development in opposition to the other, such terms can be problematic.

    Marx-Leninism makes more sense as Leninism claimed to be a furtherance of Marxist thought even if Leninism deviated from Marxism in some ways. Leninism never disavowed Marxism.
    But Soviet-Maoism would be problematic as Maoism developed in repudiation of the Soviet Union as a sell-out traitor to Marxism. Christianity did develop by denouncing Judaism and reached its peak in synthesis with pagan revivalism. Christmas festivities are Christo-Pagan. Helleno-Christian and Teutono-Christian has as much or more claim as Judeo-Christian.

    One thing for sure, Israel doesn't brand itself as Judeo-Islamic even though Muslims have long been there and make up a sizable minority.

    And even though Islam developed out of Judaism and Christianity, I don't think Muslims brand themselves as Judeo-Christo-Islamic.

    Replies: @Ed Case

    , @rebel yell
    @Twinkie

    There is indeed a Judeo/Christian world view and these two religions are closely related. Nietzsche was largely correct, that Pagans celebrated the warrior/master life and the values that go with it - strength, honor, generosity - and that Judaism and later Christianity are a reaction to the cruelty of these Pagans by their victims. Jews and Christians take the defeated/slave point of view and celebrate endurance as victims and just overcoming of masters. There is much ethical good and much ethical evil in the Judeo/Christian mind set, as is true of Pagans.
    You can't fully understand our modern Left unless you seem them in part as a continuation of this Jewish and Christian "blessed are the poor" worldview. They are exhibiting a final sour insane decay of this tradition.

  41. Personally, I think that’s one of my most important intellectual contributions, but nobody else does because it seems too dumb to be true: Good Guys vs. Bad Guys? C’mon, it must instead have something to do with the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism.

    Well, I think it is more complicated than this – the CRT talk has gotten at some underlying reality, and that is that Americans on the left of the political sphere and who now near exclusively populate American institutions of influence have adopted a morality which was fashioned in the Universities in the wake of critical theory as popularized by academic all stars like Foucault. This is clearly the root of “critical race theory” and a dozen other “studies” schools which have bored their way into the academic firmament. Naturally, inverting power relationships in matters like criminal justice (which often requires ignoring the physical and violent power of perpetrators) is in many cases just going to end in switching white hats and black hats such that they’re opposite of the perceptions of people in a normal healthy society.

    So if your method of analyzing a transaction is to identify the actors by their relative social “power,” and you’re doing it in the place of actual legal analysis of the transaction, many times you’re going to end up inverting the good guy (guy acting according to law) and the bad guy (guy breaking law).

    This is of course why when the Trayvon Martin affair became national news the Press made a point to brand Zimmerman a “white Hispanic” so that there was no gray area when deciding who had power and who was oppressed.

    In the Rittenhouse case, it was important to impose the brand “white supremacist” upon him from the outset. And now that they can no longer ignore the clear videotaped evidence, all of the left wing legal analysts ignore the salient issues from a self-defense perspective – i.e., Rittenhouse was retreating, while first Rosenbaum and then a pack of pursuers including Huber and Grosskreutz were chasing him. In all cases Rittenhouse was running away, and he only shot when Rosenbaum closed the distance to him, and later after an unidentified pursuer knocked him to the ground while he was retreating and then the pursuers including Huber and Grosskreutz swarmed him. Note that his testimony, and the facts as known from the incident are that Rittenhouse was retreating towards the police line. So the intent of his pursuers can be inferred – they wanted to get him and dispense their street justice before he reached the police line.

    So the left wing legal analysts are left with legally hollow arguments about “weapons of war” and “state lines” and “proud boys” because they’re incapable of assessing the fact that Rittenhouse’s retreat, and his attackers’ pursuit of him are the legally material facts which dispose of the murder charges against him due to overwhelming evidence of self defense. Rosenbaum, a white presenting man with a Jewish surname who freely dropped the ultimate, unutterable racial slur on videotape several times is proposed to be the victim of a white supremacist killer in this scenario. The presentation of the facts of the case putting the prospect of a conviction in doubt once those facts have been exposed in a forum that the Press could no longer ignore, they’re flailing to recover some leverage by declaring the Judge’s anodyne legal Americanism (enforcing the Fifth Amendment, quoting the Bible and Abraham Lincoln) and his phone’s ring tone as dispositive evidence that he, too, is a white supremacist in anticipation that Rittenhouse may be acquitted.

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    "they’re flailing to recover some leverage"

    Excellent summary!

  42. It isn’t just the “right” that would see the 3 as bad guys. Even convicts have little use for child rapists and wife beaters. I suspect both of them did most of their time in protective custody.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Chris Mallory

    The worst part of it is that Rittenhouse will also have to be put in protective custody if he's convicted.

  43. To the left half of the country, the teen marksman looks like the nightmare they’ve been told to expect: a white (if rather swarthy, but never mind that) male with one of those scary rifles.

    You did once write that Koreans were “white adjacent” (I think when “Parasite” won the Oscars).

  44. @Anonymous
    The Blue Checka:
    https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/1458276121393389572?s=20

    Replies: @Dr. Krankenschmaltz, @Twinkie, @Ben tillman, @Expletive Deleted

    I say to these MoFos: “Then let us separate… this time peacefully.”

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    Well, folks, the unthinkable has happened. Twinkie has a more moderate view on these people than me. I guess that really is a sign.

    There are two possibilities. Either Armageddon is upon us, or the ancient Greeks were right. Be careful what you wish for, lest God make it become true.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  45. Call me childish if you want, but to me the child molester was a bad guy.

    • LOL: JimDandy
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Sometimes in life, a spade is just a spade. There is such a thing as right and wrong, neatly bifurcated.

    This is one of those times.

    Do you support anarcho-tyranny guided by modern America's elites or not? That's what this case is really about.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Rouetheday
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    This reminds me of Norm McDonald's quip that the more he learns about that Hitler fella the less he cares for him.

  46. nobody else does because it seems too dumb to be true: Good Guys vs. Bad Guys? C’mon, it must instead have something to do with the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism.

    Hardly. We all know this. How we got here, how the fiction is maintained, is more interesting and relevant.

    I don’t think the people behind such as the Frankfurt School (the precepts of which now dominate school in the West, but, hey,”muh Frankfurt School” amirite?) are stupidly wasting their time. They’re not known for that.

  47. @Altai

    the nightmare they’ve been told to expect: a white (if rather swarthy, but never mind that)
     
    This might explain why Swarthy-American (Like many people of duel ancestry, Kimmel has chosen one over the other and really embraces his Southern Italian-ness, though his father was a bit mixed so maybe his Italian side was just more cohesive) Kimmel seems much more intent over the Jan 6th pitch invader's blondeness and whiteness. (Though I wonder if he'll muse on how the woman's appearance compares to his wife or his paternal grandmother...)

    Kimmel seems to have become perma-triggered by Trump's election. (He seriously hasn't looked right since, can't get along with guests he looks like he is on the verge of a breakdown or violent rampage at all times)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zfcYtA0PIE

    I think Steve is a bit unfair though, a case like this will always hinge on 'good guy' v 'bad guy' (Why'd Rittenhouse go in with a gun to a place full of people who wanted to fight him? Well, why isn't it on the guys who want to fight him not to start a fight in the first place? etc) because of the nature of the situation. What's novel and different is that the media has lost all pretense of objectivity and is tacitly treating the situation as another prelude to collective punishment of whites.

    And all of it is due to the media simply not allowing anyone to come out against immigration without being destroyed. This leads to only political extremists and people who don't care what others think (Often not the best spokesmen for anything) coming out and saying anything making it impossible for the nice liberal professor to ever come out with his anti-immigration opinion.

    Thus 'anti-immigration' becomes a proxy for personality type and innate meanness. Thus you have middle and upper middle class liberals losing their minds because suddenly half the country (A lot more if you look at the single issue opinion poll) have just become evil, there can be no rational or legitimate reason to oppose immigration or vote for Donald Trump as the man with a total political monopoly on the issue. It's causing them to lose their minds because they of this. To them it's like arguing over whether we should flay 10% of new born babies alive and 50% of people were all for it. And we have an elite running the media who should know better who either can't bring themselves to understand or who are just as incapable of thinking objectively on this as a neon-haired Tumblr user.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Achmed E. Newman, @Reg Cæsar

    He does seem mentally disturbed, but that is only because he is a product of the deranged times we live in. Look at how he says vicious things that border on bug-f**k crazy, yet the network pays him millions of dollars to say them, and the audience comes to its feet howling their approval. In an insane asylum, the majority of people you meet are insane.

  48. I’d love to see what they come up with as the heros of the 2022 remakes of Dirty Harry and Death Wish.

    More4 aired an episode of The Good Fight last night, in which one of the lead characters (Diane) wrestled with turning one of her husband’s acquaintances to the FBI after determining the acquaintence was at the Capitol on 6 January. Her choice to drop the dime was made simple by her views that “those people” were at the Capitol with the intent to kill Pelosi et al.

    So the scripts for our hypothetical characters in the remakes of Dirty Harry and Death Wish are probably being pitched as I type, with Rittenhouse being the punk lying on the ground while a pistol-packing, trans-identifying creature going commando in a skirt stands over him asking him if he feels lucky.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    @The Alarmist

    They did a remake of Death Wish in 2018 with Bruce Willis in the Bronson role. The remake did not have the gritty feel of the original. It was more of a modern mainstream action movie with a budget of 30 million. In the remake the main bad guys were a White gang.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Alarmist

    I've never heard of The Good Fight, Alarmist, but I'm still surprised to read that they'd be that blatant in inserting the Establishment narrative of a current political event into their show.

    As for Dirty Harry and Death Wish, we're not going to see any of that realism* coming out of anything but the dark side of the internet. When I get movies from the library, I always have to get 3 or 4, as I never which ones I'll have to stop at 5 or 10 minutes in ... "this isn't gonna work ..." Hey, at least they're "free".


    .

    * Even Death Wish (first one, the original), had the murderers/rapists as white guy.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Ragno

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @The Alarmist

    "Dirty Harry"

    Revisted this film a few days past. Maintains its power and vitality. That combination of ascending star Eastwood and mid-career Siegel offering catharsis to an audience deep into the early 70s Aquarian descent into squalor and decay. Conditions call for a film with a similar theme and energy. Good luck finding funding if a black goddess, gay, or heshe is not involved. Hollywood, like a lot corporate America, is on a suicide trip.

    , @Sebastian Hawks
    @The Alarmist

    If I recall, even the bad guys in the 70s Bronson Death Wish movie were a fictional multiracial gang. Sort of like that NYC gang movie "Warriors" in which the street gangs were all mixed race and the bad guy was the little white dude who played Jerry Horne in Twin Peaks.

    , @Corvinus
    @The Alarmist

    "So the scripts for our hypothetical characters in the remakes of Dirty Harry and Death Wish are probably being pitched as I type, with Rittenhouse being the punk lying on the ground while a pistol-packing, trans-identifying creature going commando in a skirt stands over him asking him if he feels lucky."

    Here's a novel idea. The next time you hear that there is a protest rally nearby--say, within 20 miles of your domicile--go there just like Kyle with a long gun and ask to guard the business of your choice. Inevitably, the environment will become chaotic. You will be able to conveniently ignore the police presence in the area, as well as their commands to leave since, well, most people there are not heeding their warning, and you were never directly told by a police officer to vamoose in the first place. Completely justifiable. Then, amidst the craziness, chronicle your entire experience using your smart phone.

    What can possibly go wrong?

    Replies: @D. K.

  49. @Shouting Thomas
    @Bill Jones

    You need to get over this. Get rid of your illusions about your brilliance.

    Judeo/Christian law is the Ten Commandments.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Bill Jones, @Hangnail Hans, @anon

    Well you mind numbingly ignorant jerk you might begin by realizing that the system of English Common Law on which the Anglo-sphere is based has fuck-all to do with your “Ten Commandments”.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Disagree: Hibernian, Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @rebel yell
    @Bill Jones

    English common law has everything to do with the ten commandments. English law is born of the moral value which Christianity places on the individual life and the lives of common people. The further origins of this Christian view are found in the old testament.

    Replies: @Alden, @Bill Jones

    , @Hibernian
    @Bill Jones

    It was evolved by people schooled in the Christian faith, and upholds "Thou Shalt not Steal," "Thou Shalt not Kill," etc. Kind of hard to police covetousness.

  50. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Call me childish if you want, but to me the child molester was a bad guy.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Rouetheday

    Sometimes in life, a spade is just a spade. There is such a thing as right and wrong, neatly bifurcated.

    This is one of those times.

    Do you support anarcho-tyranny guided by modern America’s elites or not? That’s what this case is really about.

    • Thanks: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @nebulafox


    modern America’s elites
     
    Modern America's "élites" are less responsible than Mr Rittenhouse and, for that matter, the late Mr Floyd.

    Who himself was smarter than Kamala, saner than Joe, and way more honest than Hillary. Shoot, even Rosenbaum was better than them.

  51. Anon[271] • Disclaimer says:

    Kenosha being protected from being Fergusoned is what the left is mad about. They wanna be able to destroy any town they stage a hate incident in, and then Section 8 said town to death.

    Only Proud Boys like Rittenhouse stand in their way from remote demolition of any suburb they’d like, in surgical precision. Soros paid lotsa’ \$Benjamins for those BLT and Antifa foot soldiers.

    • Replies: @Sebastian Hawks
    @Anon

    My mom is from South Milwaukee, she said Kenosha went bad in the 70s when the naive cheeseheads up in Wisconsin were paying out The Cadillac Welfare Plan so all these lowlifes from the Chicago projects moved up there to live off the dole. Similar deal with nearby Racine.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  52. @Altai

    the nightmare they’ve been told to expect: a white (if rather swarthy, but never mind that)
     
    This might explain why Swarthy-American (Like many people of duel ancestry, Kimmel has chosen one over the other and really embraces his Southern Italian-ness, though his father was a bit mixed so maybe his Italian side was just more cohesive) Kimmel seems much more intent over the Jan 6th pitch invader's blondeness and whiteness. (Though I wonder if he'll muse on how the woman's appearance compares to his wife or his paternal grandmother...)

    Kimmel seems to have become perma-triggered by Trump's election. (He seriously hasn't looked right since, can't get along with guests he looks like he is on the verge of a breakdown or violent rampage at all times)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zfcYtA0PIE

    I think Steve is a bit unfair though, a case like this will always hinge on 'good guy' v 'bad guy' (Why'd Rittenhouse go in with a gun to a place full of people who wanted to fight him? Well, why isn't it on the guys who want to fight him not to start a fight in the first place? etc) because of the nature of the situation. What's novel and different is that the media has lost all pretense of objectivity and is tacitly treating the situation as another prelude to collective punishment of whites.

    And all of it is due to the media simply not allowing anyone to come out against immigration without being destroyed. This leads to only political extremists and people who don't care what others think (Often not the best spokesmen for anything) coming out and saying anything making it impossible for the nice liberal professor to ever come out with his anti-immigration opinion.

    Thus 'anti-immigration' becomes a proxy for personality type and innate meanness. Thus you have middle and upper middle class liberals losing their minds because suddenly half the country (A lot more if you look at the single issue opinion poll) have just become evil, there can be no rational or legitimate reason to oppose immigration or vote for Donald Trump as the man with a total political monopoly on the issue. It's causing them to lose their minds because they of this. To them it's like arguing over whether we should flay 10% of new born babies alive and 50% of people were all for it. And we have an elite running the media who should know better who either can't bring themselves to understand or who are just as incapable of thinking objectively on this as a neon-haired Tumblr user.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Achmed E. Newman, @Reg Cæsar

    And all of it is due to the media simply not allowing anyone to come out against immigration without being destroyed.

    It’s not just immigration, Altai. That may be the most existential issue, but there are a lot of things the ctrl-left Establishment of this country doesn’t want Americans to be able to even discuss in public. (They’d go for private too, if they could … or, will, when they CAN!)

    I’m not the biggest fan of his (more than I used to be), but John F. Kennedy put it pretty well:

    “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”

  53. Playground rules, that flexible concept based on resolved by who shouts loudest and influences quickest, explains much of the Kenosha matter. Media presentation of same tends to follow, where the players never grew up.

    You may have experienced application of those rules during your own distant youth. Recall some incident and reaction by those nearby that took unexpected turns due to the circumstances. Where a sense of fairness or rational thought was a casualty and teacher presence could have been at worst neutral.

    Once upon a time, people were said to live as though still wrestling with their high school experiences. Don’t forget about the worldview baseline set in elementary school, before academic distinctions like who, whom got taught.

  54. @Dr. X
    @Shouting Thomas

    "Judeo/Christian" morality is a misnomer. "Judeo" morality means that God's Chosen get to kill their enemies and steal their land.

    "Christian" morality means that all people are equal in the eyes of God and have intrinsic worth and that people ought not be tried in a show trial on bogus evidence from a paid informant and then tortured to death by crucifixion for calling out the lies of the political and religious elite. Christian morality is the antithesis of "Judeo" morality.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @gandydancer

    Someone aptly said “Judeo-Christian” is like “Oswald-Kennedyan,” as you outline for the first one of these, the first clause of each refers to the murderers of the latter. Not the sort of thing sane and honest people do.

  55. Good Guys vs. Bad Guys? C’mon, it must instead have something to do with the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism.

    What is the Frankfurt School but an effort to delegitimize Whites as morally bad, and elevate Jews as morally good?

  56. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    American thought is degenerating

    It’s hard to tell what American thought really is. We’re looking at media representations which simplify things into two dimensional conflicts of good vs bad. It’s easier that way and doesn’t require any deep thinking. Half the population is mentally average or below so don’t expect any great depth of thought from them. The major media tried to bypass the sordid backgrounds of those who attacked Rittenhouse since it might ping on people’s radar that things are a little more complicated than the preferred narrative. Media have evolved into just a propaganda sound machine with sports, celebrity worship and gossip thrown in to keep a share of the public tuned in. Visual presentations such as television news, movies are not conducive to imparting much depth. Instagram, Facebook don’t require any great attention span.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @anonymous

    Half the population is mentally average or below so don’t expect any great depth of thought from them.

    But the half of the population that is mentally above average is most prone to accepting the dominant narrative without question. I talk to mechanics and carpenters who have a much clearer understanding of reality than do members of the professional class.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  57. anon[346] • Disclaimer says:

    A good example of how things have been dumbed down.

    Judge in Rittenhouse case is a liberal Democrat who has repeated sided with the rights of the accused to ensure a fair trail. He has done this because he is an OLD LIBERAL DEMOCRAT. 2021 people are incapable of thinking in terms of ideology so they assume he is siding with the bad guy defendant because he is a right wing racists (aka a Bad Guy).

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    @anon

    This is like the story of radical students in the sixties watching a documentary about the Spanish Civil War and cheering a defeat for the "republicans".

  58. @Verymuchalive
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tulsi-gabbard-defends-kyle-rittenhouse-just-a-foolish-kid/ar-AAQCsCY

    Interesting to hear Tulsi Gabbard defending Rittenhouse. This surely means a complete break with the Democrats. What her future political career ( if any ) will be, I don't know. Any suggestions ?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Hapalong Cassidy, @JimDandy, @Goddard, @Paperback Writer, @SunBakedSuburb, @Mr. Anon

    Gabbard isn’t qualified to comment on the extent of Rittenhouse’s actions.

    That “foolish kid” put an end to the riots and did more to protect The US from threat than she ever did.

    • Agree: AndrewR
  59. @PhysicistDave
    @Shouting Thomas

    Shouting Thomas wrote:


    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.
     
    Well, y'know, the Chinese have no "understanding of Judeo/Christian morality" either, but they did not behave like our Leftists, at least not until they imported Marxism from the West (okay, or maybe when they imported a weird perversion of Christianity in the Taiping Rebellion).

    We need to seriously try to understand what is wrong with the Left psychologically.

    There was no real Left before the French Revolution. What seems to have happened is that a bunch of people who were verbally intelligent and often highly schooled but who were lacking in any actual skill in dealing with physical reality decided that they did not have the power they deserved. And so they decided to get that power.

    I think this description nicely fits Robespierre and his cronies, Marx, the Bolsheviks, and our current Woke Left.

    It's a curious amalgam between extreme arrogance (due to their high verbal skills and often a high level of success in schooling) and extreme insecurity (due to their lack of ability to deal with the real world -- how many hard-core Leftists can repair an airplane engine or engage in high-rise construction or design an integrated circuit?).

    Leftists tend to be both highly successful by some of the standards of modern society (schooling and credentials) and also abysmal failures (in terms of their inability to deal with unfiltered, unmediated physical reality).

    As the Old Left would have said there is, like, a "dialectical contradiction" here!

    Reality is complicated, and no doubt there is no single explanation that explains the pathology of the Left. But I think this simple schema explains a lot.

    Those of us who are anti-Leftists have tended to attack their ideas while letting the Left attack us personally (often in a quite literal, physical sense).

    We need to see that the problem with the Left is not intellectual error: intellectually, their ideas have always been obvious nonsense.

    No, the problem is one of character: they are warped psychologically and emotionally.

    Leftism is a psychological illness of Western modernity.

    The Left cannot be defeated until normal, decent people come to grips with that fact.

    Replies: @Shouting Thomas, @Anonymous, @nebulafox, @S. Anonyia, @Negrolphin Pool, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @James Speaks

    Mostly agree, however it’s worth noting in the past decade leftists have become less verbally skilled too, and a lot of them aren’t even that successful in terms of credentials anymore. They increasingly rely on dogma and brute force.

  60. Seems that notorious investor Bill Ackman has changed sides based on listening to actual testimony during the trial:

    The press immediately called him up to ask if his Twitter account was hacked. He said he wasn’t.

    Interesting development.

    [MORE]

  61. Reading coverage of this trial makes me realize a large number of theatre geeks who got bullied in high school are now journalists

  62. There have been many iterations of this “good guy/bad guy” (really “right guy/wrong guy”) model throughout American history, where the ruling elites are virtually unanimous is taking the side of the “bad guy” or “wrong guy”.

    The Chambers/Hiss case is a prominent early example.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Scott in PA


    There have been many iterations of this “good guy/bad guy” (really “right guy/wrong guy”) model throughout American history, where the ruling elites are virtually unanimous is taking the side of the “bad guy” or “wrong guy”.

    The Chambers/Hiss case is a prominent early example.
     
    The ruling elites convicted Hiss.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  63. I suppose I’m guilty of it too, but I admit I have a hard time considering people in power, living a life of luxury, who egg on drug-addled sex predators to commit violence on their behalf against good, industrious and already struggling “core Americans” to be much more than simply “bad guys”.

    I mean, I could take some time to consider the nuances of their situation, and why it might be more complicated than simply “they’re psychopaths in power who enjoy watching white people being forced to dig their own mass graves”, but, you know, I’m a busy guy trying to finance their perquisites while figuring how how I’m going to keep my kids from being forced to take said powerfuls’ buddies’ experimental mRNA vaccines and such, so I rely on heuristics here, however simple they may be.

    But I am more often an idiot than not, so I take no offense should it be pointed out that I’m being an idiot here, too.

  64. @Shouting Thomas
    @Bill Jones

    You need to get over this. Get rid of your illusions about your brilliance.

    Judeo/Christian law is the Ten Commandments.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Bill Jones, @Hangnail Hans, @anon

    Though many qualifiers were inserted into the “historical record” over the centuries, what we know of Jesus Christ’s teachings show them to be a thorough renunciation of mosaic law.

    “Judeo-Christian” describes a house divided against itself.

    • Disagree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @G. Poulin
    @Hangnail Hans

    More like an originalist correction of what the Law had degenerated into: the preferences of the rabbi class. For instance, the little passage in Deuteronomy concerning divorce had become an all-purpose loophole that allowed a guy to dump his wife for just about any reason ---something the passage was never originally intended to allow. Jesus said "Enough of this crap. Stay married to your wife." He was not rejecting the Law, but only those perversions of it that had become characteristic of Judaism in his time.

    , @Hibernian
    @Hangnail Hans

    He came not to abolish the Law, but to fulfill the Law.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    , @Matt Buckalew
    @Hangnail Hans

    Like most people that get angriest about the term judeo-Christian you’ve clearly never read the book.

    I came not to abolish the Law, but to fulfill the Law.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

  65. You see the problem here.

    Every cranky, conservative white guy is a genius with a comprehensive plan, and every one is too brilliant to accept going to church, praying and teaching our moral, religious and ethical history and law.

    Stop being geniuses. Do and teach what our religious tradition has been teaching for 2,000 years. Quit re-inventing the wheel.

    This stupidity is destroying any attempts by conservatives to reclaim the society.

  66. @anon
    From the NYT:

    “Making it harder to vote, and harder to understand what the party is really about — these are two parts of the same project” for the Republican Party, Jay Rosen writes. “The conflict with honest journalism is structural. To be its dwindling self, the G.O.P. has to also be at war with the press, unless of course the press folds under pressure.”
     
    So, yea. Against our contention that the left wants to replace core American voters, the Left has been making charges that the right is anti-Democratic. This is the sad place we are in.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @3g4me, @Jack D

    Left has been making charges that the right is anti-Democratic.

    At this point, it’s essentially a verbal tic on the left that everything they don’t like is a “threat to Democracy.”

  67. Um… what? A deranged, suicidal child-rapist led a homicidal mob against Kyle because he was enraged that Kyle put out some of their arson fires. Kyle managed to save his own life. Life is usually more complicated than Good Guys Vs. Bad Guys, but The Kyle Rittenhouse case was clearly the exception to the rule.

  68. @Verymuchalive
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tulsi-gabbard-defends-kyle-rittenhouse-just-a-foolish-kid/ar-AAQCsCY

    Interesting to hear Tulsi Gabbard defending Rittenhouse. This surely means a complete break with the Democrats. What her future political career ( if any ) will be, I don't know. Any suggestions ?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Hapalong Cassidy, @JimDandy, @Goddard, @Paperback Writer, @SunBakedSuburb, @Mr. Anon

    Maybe she will join Andrew Yang’s new party, which seems to be classical working class liberalism without the identity politics. Frankly, Sinema and Manchin should join as well.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  69. @Stephen Paul Foster
    "I think that’s one of my most important intellectual contributions, but nobody else does because it seems too dumb to be true: Good Guys vs. Bad Guys? C’mon, it must instead have something to do with the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism."

    Steve, I thought Frankfurt School liturgy was Good Guys v Bad Guys based on complexion -- "if rather swarthy, but never mind that" -- and continent of origin.
    With an "honorary" Good Guy" designation for Ice People who grovel.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    This post was one of Steve’s rare missteps.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @JimDandy

    I think iSteve left off the sarcasm tags.

    Does he have to explain everything to us?

    Replies: @JimDandy

  70. @PhysicistDave
    @Shouting Thomas

    Shouting Thomas wrote:


    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.
     
    Well, y'know, the Chinese have no "understanding of Judeo/Christian morality" either, but they did not behave like our Leftists, at least not until they imported Marxism from the West (okay, or maybe when they imported a weird perversion of Christianity in the Taiping Rebellion).

    We need to seriously try to understand what is wrong with the Left psychologically.

    There was no real Left before the French Revolution. What seems to have happened is that a bunch of people who were verbally intelligent and often highly schooled but who were lacking in any actual skill in dealing with physical reality decided that they did not have the power they deserved. And so they decided to get that power.

    I think this description nicely fits Robespierre and his cronies, Marx, the Bolsheviks, and our current Woke Left.

    It's a curious amalgam between extreme arrogance (due to their high verbal skills and often a high level of success in schooling) and extreme insecurity (due to their lack of ability to deal with the real world -- how many hard-core Leftists can repair an airplane engine or engage in high-rise construction or design an integrated circuit?).

    Leftists tend to be both highly successful by some of the standards of modern society (schooling and credentials) and also abysmal failures (in terms of their inability to deal with unfiltered, unmediated physical reality).

    As the Old Left would have said there is, like, a "dialectical contradiction" here!

    Reality is complicated, and no doubt there is no single explanation that explains the pathology of the Left. But I think this simple schema explains a lot.

    Those of us who are anti-Leftists have tended to attack their ideas while letting the Left attack us personally (often in a quite literal, physical sense).

    We need to see that the problem with the Left is not intellectual error: intellectually, their ideas have always been obvious nonsense.

    No, the problem is one of character: they are warped psychologically and emotionally.

    Leftism is a psychological illness of Western modernity.

    The Left cannot be defeated until normal, decent people come to grips with that fact.

    Replies: @Shouting Thomas, @Anonymous, @nebulafox, @S. Anonyia, @Negrolphin Pool, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @James Speaks

    Leftists tend to be both highly successful by some of the standards of modern society (schooling and credentials) and also abysmal failures (in terms of their inability to deal with unfiltered, unmediated physical reality).

    This is quite similar to what Ted Kaczynski asserts in Industrial Society and Its Future, namely that there is an increasing proportion of those who cannot engage in the deepest human drive: the process of autonomously exercising meaningful power over one’s domain.

    Kaczynski argues that there are simply too many people who can easily survive by going through the nature-detached daily motions of modern life but who can never experience anything like the boundless autonomy that ancestral man knew through personal mastery of his natural world, fishing, hunting, constructing a shelter with his own hands. These are the conditions in which we evolved for millennia and for which we are optimized. The further technology-driven modernity strays from that paradigm, the more we see a panoply of maladaptive behaviors (leftism).

    A complimentary explanation is offered by Edward Dutton. He posits that the industrial revolution was so effective at eliminating Darwinian selection pressures that we have slowly been overrun with spiteful mutants, people whose minds suffer from high mutational load and consequently whose behaviors are so maladaptive that they threaten even the fit.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @Negrolphin Pool

    Dutton is mistaken. The selection pressures are simply different.

    , @Tony massey
    @Negrolphin Pool

    Ted was really good at maffs but i doubt he gave much consideration to something like the P2P method. Unlikely he even knew what meth was much less ice or the shake n bake. Iodine method was the way togo their for awhile. Ted prolly only cooked beans.
    None of those things Ted could have known would have ever given him the idea of the P2P method.
    P2P is, if you don't think it's possible you're uninformed, by far worse than anything thus.
    Theirs entire rural counties in the great state of Tennessee that are ruled by the kornbread mafia via the messcan cartels pumping these places full of it.
    Same in Wi.
    Same everywhere.
    Much of the mayhem that was witnessed this past time that was fueled by a certain type of person and those persons were chock full of P2P.
    Check out those mugshots that whatshisname posts.
    Try to guess which ones you think are under the influence of P2P.
    P2P was driving much of it.

    Forgot to say...what per cent of joggers does your community need before you sell? I'd say only a 1/3 as much of completely psychotic are necessary and use is pretty high.
    Not sure the exact numbers.
    Ask your sheriff's dept if P2P is in your county.

    Replies: @Tony massey

  71. @Shouting Thomas
    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.

    They are barbarians.

    Replies: @Just another serf, @PhysicistDave, @Bill Jones, @Dr. X, @anonymous coward, @MarkinLA, @Reg Cæsar, @P. Cleburne

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    Yeah, as long as there are no repercussions, like Commander Red.

  72. @Slim
    I'm in awe of Kyle's ability to shoot calmly in that situation. I've used firearms all my life but I doubt I could dispatch three miscreants attacking me as efficiently as he did. Also, he ended the riot as it turned out. Heroic stuff.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @Jack Kennedy, @Alden

    It is notable how large the contrast is between Rittenhouse and the three losers, one is undoubtedly a good guy, the three were almost caricatures of lowlifes. Sometimes there really are just goodies and baddies.

    • Agree: Dutch Boy, Cloudbuster
    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @LondonBob

    the three were almost caricatures of lowlifes

    The one-winger was an EMT, but he sure looks ridden hard and put away wet for 27.

    Replies: @Alden

  73. @Shouting Thomas
    @Bill Jones

    You need to get over this. Get rid of your illusions about your brilliance.

    Judeo/Christian law is the Ten Commandments.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Bill Jones, @Hangnail Hans, @anon

    Western civilization is Hellenic-Christian.

    • Replies: @HA
    @anon

    "Western civilization is Hellenic-Christian."

    And Persian, and Phoenician, and Egyptian...I can keep going. Given how far Ashoka's missionaries might have traveled, you could probably justify some Buddhist influences as well. So why stop at Hellenic?

    That being the case, "Christian" covers all that well enough. No hyphens needed.

    I'll be sure to give "Judaeo-Christian" another try right about the time they decide to start continually reminding us that Muslim culture is actually "Judaeo-Islamic". In the meantime, I'm not holding my breath.

    Replies: @anon

  74. Rittenhouse is the bad guy because he is normal. He’s a boy scout, and actual one. Part time lifeguard. Rendered first aid. All that is bad.

    The Anti-Fa child molesters, burglars, and domestic abusers (the one guy liked to beat up his girlfriends) are the good guy heroes.

    Once you understand that our elites, all of them, are debased, depraved, and debauched perverts it makes perfect sense.

    Ashley Biden’s Diary shows that (thanks FBI for verifying it) she was molested by Daddy at an early age and that’s why she’s so slutty. Pelosi is a degenerate drunk. The Bills, Gates and Clinton, flew many times to Jeffrey Epstein’s Pedo Island (Epstein did not kill himself) and not for stimulating conversation. There is a picture of both Bills with their arms around the waist of Virginia Guiffree who claims she was pimped out to Prince Andrew at the time (she was then 14 as in the picture).

    So yes, a degenerate and depraved elite sides with depraved child molesters and domestic abusers over a boy scout / lifeguard.

    Simple as that. And as understandable as the Stalinist Show Trial will end with Rittenhouse being convicted as anti-Fa know will punish the jurors if they do not. The Judge flat out told them that Anti-Fa knows who they are.

    But then, Matriarchies are generally debauched and as degenerate as they come.

    • Agree: magilla, mike99588
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Whiskey

    What happened? Normally you defend men who rape and molest women and girls on the grounds that even 6 year olds are sluts who chase the men. That’s Dr Signund Fraud’s theory that little girls want to play with daddy’s genitals.

    For the last 2 years you attacked Virginia as a degenerate prostitute and defended the men she accused. As I recall you were one of the many White woman hating MEN OF UNZ who rejoiced when Tessa Majors was killed by 3 black 8th graders.

    Whatever website you read that Nancy Pelosi is a drunk She’s not.

    And the last paragraph about matriarchy was your usual idiocy. Every sex offender you mentioned was a man. Some matriarchy

    Your ridiculous comment has as much validity as your years of comments that you see White women black man couples and their kids everywhere you go. In a county with less than a 3 percent black population thus between 1 and 1.5 black man population.

    Take some viagra and get back to your White woman black man porn. Those actresses are paid. And the numerous mixed couples and their mulatto kids you see every where you go are just hallucinations.

  75. Of course it’s Good Guys vs. Bad Guys. That’s the whole point of politics, which is, according to Nazi Carl Schmitt, the friend / enemy distinction.

    Or as Curtis Yarvin says: “there is no politics without an enemy.”

    Now, if politics is your religion, your enemy is Old Scratch himself.

  76. After remaining professionally silent, Salon has finally provided their voice on this sensational trial. Today Journalist Heather Barton provides the FACTS about what happened that fateful night :

    The facts of the case are well known, so I won’t go into it in detail. Suffice it to say that Rittenhouse fashioned himself as a “medic” (a role for which he was entirely untrained) as well as a sort of adjunct militia member, protecting private property and supporting the police when he drove into Kenosha that night and ostentatiously patrolled the streets with his long gun. He was confronted by Joseph Rosenbaum, an ex-convict with a history of mental illness who threw a bag of toiletries at him. Rittenhouse fired his gun, mortally wounding Rosenbaum. He called a friend and said, “I just killed somebody,” as he jogged away from the scene.

    Rittenhouse was chased by several people, including one man who tried to hit him with a high kick. Rittenhouse fired at that person but missed. Another protester, Anthony Huber, attempted to bring him down with a skateboard and Rittenhouse shot and killed him too. Gaige Grosskreutz, an armed protester and trained paramedic who also chased Rittenhouse, testified that the two men aimed their guns at each other and Rittenhouse shot him as well, wounding him in the arm. Then Rittenhouse simply walked away from this bloody scene, walking right past police lines, and went home. He turned himself in the next morning. At no point did the self-styled medic try to help any of the people he shot.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Elmer T. Jones

    Yes you are right, that was pretty brazen of Salon and Barton, she wrote a number of lies that were directly contradicted by not only the visual evidence, but even the sworn testimony of Grosskreutz himself.
    You shouldn’t be so surprised though, that is the beauty of having absolute control, mainstream journalists can simply lie and then challenge anyone to point out what they just did.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Elmer T. Jones

    , @Thea
    @Elmer T. Jones

    “Mental illness” is both a badge of honor and get out of jail free card for the bottom dwellers.


    The veteran sitting jail now for yelling” get out of this neighborhood “ thus saving his neighbors and their baby from molestation was done in by the criminal’s history of mental illness.it was an acceptable excuse for sticking his hands down women’s pants and grabbing a baby.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  77. Anonymous[366] • Disclaimer says:

    But…

    1. Who put in the minds of Americans as to whom to vilify? In other words, which powerful group made TV shows about ‘mitzvahs’ against Deplorables and ran countless articles in NYT about the vileness of whiteness?

    2. And how come the vilified, the ‘bad guys’, don’t call out this group that has been most instrumental in shaping public attitudes and ‘values’? They will tussle with Antifa street scum but will not call out the puppet master.

    It’s not enough to say the game is about ‘Cowboys and Indians’. It is about who gets to decide who are the Cowboys and who are the Indians. Or about who gets to decide whether Cowboys are the good guys or the Indians are the good guys.

    Generally, the anti-Rittenhouse types are obedient to the Jewish Narrative. As Narrative Parrots, they are essentially Narrots. The pro-Rittenhouse types are defiant of the Jewish Narrative. The sad thing is they are not defiant of Jewish Power. Even as they defy and reject the Narrative pushed by Jewish Power, they(like Trump) are ever so enthused about praising Zion.

    So, the real problem is, whether one’s side is petted or kicked by the master, it’s a total cuck his will, and so NOTHING changes. Why should Jewish Power ever change its ways when even those who defy its narratives and agendas never ever call it out for what it really is?

    • Replies: @Bumpkin
    @Anonymous

    What percentage of "those who defy its narratives and agendas" know that it is "Jewish Power" pulling the strings? First, you need to get that word out: they cannot defy what they do not know.

  78. @Verymuchalive
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tulsi-gabbard-defends-kyle-rittenhouse-just-a-foolish-kid/ar-AAQCsCY

    Interesting to hear Tulsi Gabbard defending Rittenhouse. This surely means a complete break with the Democrats. What her future political career ( if any ) will be, I don't know. Any suggestions ?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Hapalong Cassidy, @JimDandy, @Goddard, @Paperback Writer, @SunBakedSuburb, @Mr. Anon

    The Left’s characterization of Kyle as a “Bad Guy” isn’t really “dumb” so much as despotic and revolutionary. Kyle interfered with an orchestrated attack on Donald Trump, and for that he must die.

    As for Tulsi, she doesn’t have much of a future in politics, alas. Doesn’t play ball with the Zionists.

    • Agree: Not Raul, Gordo
    • Replies: @J1234
    @JimDandy


    The Left’s characterization of Kyle as a “Bad Guy” isn’t really “dumb” so much as despotic and revolutionary.
     
    Right. The devolving collective thinking that Steve correctly identifies is a function of radicalism. Pathos and logos are two (but not the only) different aspects of the human mind - one is emotion and the other reason. Usually, they sort of complement each other, but the radical pits them against each other. He believes all political energy and/or impetus for change is derived from emotion, so he exists in a perpetual, "Long live the revolution!" mental and moral framework, even when the revolution is long gone. "Good guy/bad guy" is the moral streamlining that needs to take place so that all of those frantic pathos centered worker bees can more easily take orders from their leaders.
    , @Art Deco
    @JimDandy

    Doesn’t play ball with the Zionists.

    Your obsessions are yours, not those of normal people.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Mr. Anon

  79. @Verymuchalive
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tulsi-gabbard-defends-kyle-rittenhouse-just-a-foolish-kid/ar-AAQCsCY

    Interesting to hear Tulsi Gabbard defending Rittenhouse. This surely means a complete break with the Democrats. What her future political career ( if any ) will be, I don't know. Any suggestions ?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Hapalong Cassidy, @JimDandy, @Goddard, @Paperback Writer, @SunBakedSuburb, @Mr. Anon

    Republican.

  80. I believe it is your right to protect yourself with force, but not a great idea to travel some place to protect other peoples’ property, that is the Law’s job. Ok, so the Law is standing down and that is in itself almost criminal. This whole thing played right into the Left’s hand. Meanwhile the Supreme Court seems to be saying I can buy a pistol in NY with fewer or almost no restrictions. About time.

    • Agree: Max Maxwell
    • Thanks: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @Buffalo Joe

    .. not a great idea to travel some place to protect other peoples’ property, that is the Law’s job.

    The obligation to come to the aid of strangers is in the conscience of the beholder. The US could use more heroic volunteers willing to defend Americans at-home.

    It's not the job of the union cops to protect private property, even if that property is someone's body. Since insurance doesn't cover loss due to civil unrest, someone who values their property (life!) had better be ready to protect it himself. It's not like citizens can rely on the governor to act. It's a good thing that there are guys like Kyle willing to step in.

    , @gandydancer
    @Buffalo Joe


    I believe it is... not a great idea to travel some place to protect other peoples’ property... This whole thing played right into the Left’s hand.
     
    Nonsense.
    , @Alden
    @Buffalo Joe

    You don’t know much about essential public safety workers do you? Such as every medical worker in the country even if they haven’t signed up to be called in disasters like tornadoes and floods

    Once more, Kyle was a four fold essential public safety worker Jr lifeguard with the EMT required of all life guards. Jr volunteer fireman and member of the Illinois police explorer program a state police version of the sheriffs and city police cadet programs.

    In California the swimming pools closed second week of March 2020. Because they are essential public safety workers, jr lifeguards age 15 and up continued getting paychecks for months . And had further training via computers and recurved texts and emails about the location of their muster site if they were called out. What to bring to the muster, etc

    A wonderful thing for teenage MEN who are treated as a combination of evil White devils and hopeless toddlers by public schools and society.

    Whites are truly a hopeless race if White men conservatives heap much hate and scorn for one of the very few White men who stood up for civilization and ended a riot. All the riots. Because the cowardly bullies of BLM realized they could be killed by just one 17 year old White man.

    What a spectacle FBI working with BLM anti fa to riot and commit arson. Every police department in the country ordered to stand down and not even attempt to arrest any rioters . I don’t think even one governor called out the National guard I might be wrong but not waste time checking it

    And one 17 year old White man kills 2 anti fa scum and stops not just the Kenosha riot but all the riots nationwide. And you, in your ignorance about essential public safety workers dare to criticize Kyle Rittenhouse.

    You should be in salon huffington post and other liberal hate White sites.

    The MEN OF UNZ the MEN OF UNZ. Every time there’s a black on White crime article the MEN OF UNZ jump in with the typical criminal defense attorney statements.

    It’s all the White victims fault. Shouldna carry a purse. Shouldna carry a purse. Shouldna be outside after dark even in December when it’s full dark at 4:40 pm. Shouldna be poor and use public transit. Shouldna park in the street. Shouldna live in any city or big town. Shouldna ever walk or jog Always in a car. Go directly from the house or apartment to the locked garage. Shouldna be outside in your own front yard Shouldna rent in a carport apartment. Shouldna work any job but an 8:30 am to 5 pm. Shouldna work retail restaurant medical jobs that require 2 to 10 pm, 3 to 11 pm 10pm to 6am 11pm to 7 am jobs because they require being out after dark. Shouldna ever go to a bar or any event because you will be out after dark and might have to walk from your parked car.

    Kyle’s better than all the conservative patriot White Nationalist White men in the nation.

    And never ever blame the White victim.

  81. His hair is dark but I don’t find his skin particularly swarthy (swarthy usually describes a skin tone). He looks like a generic European-American to me.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Dutch Boy

    Yeah most of my relatives have a similar look (maybe lighter brown hair) and nobody calls them swarthy. A “swarthy” white American is someone with the coloring of Catherine Zeta Jones or Colin Farrell.

  82. @PhysicistDave
    @Shouting Thomas

    Shouting Thomas wrote:


    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.
     
    Well, y'know, the Chinese have no "understanding of Judeo/Christian morality" either, but they did not behave like our Leftists, at least not until they imported Marxism from the West (okay, or maybe when they imported a weird perversion of Christianity in the Taiping Rebellion).

    We need to seriously try to understand what is wrong with the Left psychologically.

    There was no real Left before the French Revolution. What seems to have happened is that a bunch of people who were verbally intelligent and often highly schooled but who were lacking in any actual skill in dealing with physical reality decided that they did not have the power they deserved. And so they decided to get that power.

    I think this description nicely fits Robespierre and his cronies, Marx, the Bolsheviks, and our current Woke Left.

    It's a curious amalgam between extreme arrogance (due to their high verbal skills and often a high level of success in schooling) and extreme insecurity (due to their lack of ability to deal with the real world -- how many hard-core Leftists can repair an airplane engine or engage in high-rise construction or design an integrated circuit?).

    Leftists tend to be both highly successful by some of the standards of modern society (schooling and credentials) and also abysmal failures (in terms of their inability to deal with unfiltered, unmediated physical reality).

    As the Old Left would have said there is, like, a "dialectical contradiction" here!

    Reality is complicated, and no doubt there is no single explanation that explains the pathology of the Left. But I think this simple schema explains a lot.

    Those of us who are anti-Leftists have tended to attack their ideas while letting the Left attack us personally (often in a quite literal, physical sense).

    We need to see that the problem with the Left is not intellectual error: intellectually, their ideas have always been obvious nonsense.

    No, the problem is one of character: they are warped psychologically and emotionally.

    Leftism is a psychological illness of Western modernity.

    The Left cannot be defeated until normal, decent people come to grips with that fact.

    Replies: @Shouting Thomas, @Anonymous, @nebulafox, @S. Anonyia, @Negrolphin Pool, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @James Speaks

    at least not until they imported Marxism from the West (okay, or maybe when they imported a weird perversion of Christianity in the Taiping Rebellion).

    These foreign ideologies or weird sects take hold when there’s a crisis of civilization and demand for it.

    Millenarian sects showed up mainly in two eras: late Han, when Confucianism and Zhou religion of Heaven was facing spiritual crisis. Late Qing, when Neo-Confucianism 宋明理学 (syncretism of Confucianism, Daoism and Buddhism) was again facing spiritual crisis.

    There were not many of these sects for a thousand years from 4 to 14CE, when Buddhism and Neo-Confucianism were introduced and led to civilizational renewal.

    Also, opium was around in China since 6CE but there was never an addiction problem (alcohol was more so). The “opioid epidemic” only took hold in late Qing around the same time as the sects.

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    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Don't forget the rise of Zhu Yuanzhang. He was quick to embrace orthodox Confucianism as soon as he could, but the Red Turbans were even more of an experiment of a mix of foreign and indigenous than the Taipings (my impression is that claiming the worship of "Shangdi" was an implicit claim to pre-Confucian antiquity).

    >These foreign ideologies or weird sects take hold when there’s a crisis of civilization and demand for it.

    I think that's the case in any society. Healthy, stable societies with content people are, by default, conservative in the literal sense. That's human psychology: we tend toward inertia. Why mess with things that work and have worked for centuries? The rise of something radically jarring requires the discrediting of old systems and values. Then, once things improve, human nature goes back to the default: whether the new has successfully supplanted the old or not.

    Take the rise of Christianity. It's not a coincidence that Christianity grew enormously in the Roman Empire during the Crisis of the Third Century, when Roman civilization was on the verge of falling apart and Christianity proved superior to the old cults in addressing the problems of the age, spiritual and profane. 1,000 years later, though, and most people's belief in Christianity more resembled the conservative confidence that those who kept to the traditions and morals and piety of their ancestors would do well than the search for something new it had originally been over 1,000 years earlier. Those that didn't often ended up in schismatic movements that dissent from the societal mainstream, as discontents in all ages and places are wont to do.

  83. There will be no unrest. The Prosecution has done a poor job; many of its witnesses have helped the defense. Notice how the media has obligatorily pointed out that one of the jurors is a ”person of color.” But why would a ”person of color” be angry at Rittenhouse? He shot and killed two white men. He only shot three white men. He did not shoot any ”people of color.” The jury will acquit Rittenhouse as they should. The Liberal media hates Rittenhouse because he is a white male and was armed with an ”assault weapon.” Blacks are not going to protest because a white teenager was acquitted for killing two white men. Blacks only protest when blacks are killed; and only when the killers are not black.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Max Maxwell

    They hate Rittenhouse because he did something, anything, and that terrifies them.

  84. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    @Shouting Thomas


    Judeo/Christian law
     
    The term “Judeo-Christian” is a 20th Century invention that was coined in a spirit of generous ecumenism in the US., but is historically, philosophically, and religiously a false construct.

    I largely agree with Razib Khan on this: https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018/03/06/on-the-semiotics-of-judeo-christian-as-a-misdirection/

    Read the whole thing - it’s not long, but this is the key summary:

    Western civilization as a project after Late Antiquity and before the modern period was never a partnership between the Jews and Western Christians. It was the project of Western Christian societies, which eventually fractured during the Reformation, and repaired themselves back into some sort of whole in the wake of the Peace of Westphalia. The transformations of the 18th century ushered in the revolutionary changes which allowed for Jews to become participants in Western civilization as something besides Christians.
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @rebel yell

    The term “Judeo-Christian” is a 20th Century invention that was coined in a spirit of generous ecumenism in the US., but is historically, philosophically, and religiously a false construct.

    Interesting they would opt for Judeo-Christian than Catholo-Protestant, or Ortho-Catholo-Protestant.

    Christians are divided among themselves but share in common an awed appreciation for Jewishness, at least following World War II.

    Judeo-Christian is useful in that Christianity grew out of Judaism(and would have been inconceivable without it). It’s rather like Anglo-American. America broke free from Britain in a hard fought war, but one grew out of the other. Still, as one development in opposition to the other, such terms can be problematic.

    Marx-Leninism makes more sense as Leninism claimed to be a furtherance of Marxist thought even if Leninism deviated from Marxism in some ways. Leninism never disavowed Marxism.
    But Soviet-Maoism would be problematic as Maoism developed in repudiation of the Soviet Union as a sell-out traitor to Marxism. Christianity did develop by denouncing Judaism and reached its peak in synthesis with pagan revivalism. Christmas festivities are Christo-Pagan. Helleno-Christian and Teutono-Christian has as much or more claim as Judeo-Christian.

    One thing for sure, Israel doesn’t brand itself as Judeo-Islamic even though Muslims have long been there and make up a sizable minority.

    And even though Islam developed out of Judaism and Christianity, I don’t think Muslims brand themselves as Judeo-Christo-Islamic.

    • Replies: @Ed Case
    @Anonymous

    Christianity did not grow oput of judaism.
    Christ was the last Prophet of the reigion that is now called Christianity.
    Some accepted Christ, some didn't.
    Judaism and Islam are both Christian Heresies.

  85. @Verymuchalive
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tulsi-gabbard-defends-kyle-rittenhouse-just-a-foolish-kid/ar-AAQCsCY

    Interesting to hear Tulsi Gabbard defending Rittenhouse. This surely means a complete break with the Democrats. What her future political career ( if any ) will be, I don't know. Any suggestions ?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Hapalong Cassidy, @JimDandy, @Goddard, @Paperback Writer, @SunBakedSuburb, @Mr. Anon

    She has no political future.

  86. In a time of absolute chaos (which 2021 America has seemingly deteriorated into) simplicity may be the answer.

    It’s more intellectually satisfying to grapple with nuances, and delve into the complexity of avoiding black and white answers. It’s also the basis of the common law and the jury system. Disputed questions of fact often don’t have easy answers. Films and novels generally fail as works of art if they develop characters without nuance.

    But when the foundations of the nation and its people are under attack by morally decadent, corrupt and often violent groups of people, there comes a time and place for simple good versus evil narratives.

    • Agree: Tex
  87. Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his “job” was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from “dyslexia” (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • LOL: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    @Jonathan Mason

    You haven't followed much of the trial. Rittenhouse is a good bet to walk on the felonies and the minor in possession of a firearm charge is 50/50 tossup if you read the Wisconsin law.

    Now the Feds might try to hit him with the straw purchase, but they haven't yet.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Alden, @gandydancer

    , @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    Back in the day, some branch of the military would have taken him as long as he had a pulse.

    The prosecutor should dismiss on the condition that he joined up. That's how it was done with juveniles back in the day. You're right that the military would do him some good and I think he would make a good soldier. A win-win for society.

    All this stuff about his background is irrelevant foolishness that the jury will rightfully never hear. The judge is a wise and experienced judge and he has made it clear that this trial is about the less than 3 minute period in which all of the major crimes he is accused of took place. Not whether he wore a MAGA hat the week after or whether he was from a broken home. (Anyway, when blacks are from broken homes, that is supposed to mean we treat them MORE leniently - somehow being from a broken home counts AGAINST you if you are white - double standards much)?

    In that 3 minute period, a man that had previously verbally threatened to kill him tried to grab his gun (and Rittenhouse had every reason to believe he would have killed him if he had taken control of it - Rosenberg was unarmed when he was shot but he would have been armed a few seconds later.) And then a man with a skateboard tried to beat him to death, so he shot him too. And then a man with a gun pointed it at him, so he shot him also. Rittenhouse has (I believe) a valid self defense claim with respect to all 3 of these men. I don't know enough about the case to say whether any of the other charges will stick but as to the 3 major crimes he is not guilty.

    Imagine that Rittenhouse was black and his attackers wore Proud Boys shirts, but otherwise all the same facts. Rittenhouse would be a hero of the Left.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Johann Ricke, @Negrolphin Pool, @David In TN, @John Johnson, @Paperback Writer

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jonathan Mason


    Looks like premeditation to me.
     
    Premeditation to get attacked? How does that work, legally? Does wearing a seatbelt mean a driver plans to crash a car?

    he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection
     
    It worked out quite well. Smart move to have it.

    It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.
     
    Thankfully there is video evidence that shows the attacker used it as an offensive weapon. Apparently it was not effective against a rifle used defensively.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @RobinG
    @Jonathan Mason


    It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.
     
    Dude, [or should I say, OK, Boomer], where have you been.... and where do you think you are??? The skateboard has been one of Antifa's weapons-of-choice since the Battle of Berkeley, at least.
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Jonathan Mason


    It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.
     
    Who are you kidding?

    https://www.laattorney.com/using-a-skateboard-as-a-weapon.html

    'Using your skateboard as a weapon'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdr-O81MEOk

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Joe Stalin

    , @Paul Mendez
    @Jonathan Mason


    It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.
     
    Actually, skateboards are a common antifa weapon. So are bike locks, frozen water bottles and other seemingly innocuous items.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @Hibernian
    @Jonathan Mason


    Looks like premeditation to me.
     
    Premeditating protecting yourself, hopefully by deterrence, is not premeditating murder.
    , @Twinkie
    @Jonathan Mason


    The first man he shot was unarmed
     
    I wouldn't need a sidearm or a weapon of any kind to unleash lethal force on you or anyone else. And I am hardly the only one.

    Get this stupid trope of "Oh, no, he's 'unarmed,' so you can't use a weapon on him!" out of your brain. What matters first both in terms of survival or legality isn't the presence of a weapon, but that of aggression.

    I don't know what the numbers are today, but for quite a while, a leading manner that LEOs punched a ticket to the grave was some "unarmed" perp taking the officer's gun and shooting him.
    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jonathan Mason


    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his “job” was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

     

    The group he was part of wasn't hired. Where did you get that? The Khindi brothers perjured themselves on the stand. They were obviously evasive and frightened and were terrible witnesses, pretending to be un-fluent in English. Their testimony was utterly impeached by defense witnesses who demonstrated that the Khindis asked them to protect their property. They were videoed as being entirely fluent in English.

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

    , @danand
    @Jonathan Mason

    "...his “job” was to perform first aid..."

    Happened to be live viewing that fateful August night on Periscope. A "reporter" was streaming a meeting of the fully armed group Kyle was with. This was a couple of hours prior to the attacks on him. The roughly dozen strong "guardian" group he was with, ~ half the members Black, all appeared older than Kyle. At this meeting young lad Kyle was assigned duty at the car lot. Perhaps the men thought it a safe assignment for Kyle, as the lot's billboard proudly proclaimed "Black Lives Matter".

    It became obvious things were going to turn South when BLM heroes began filling containers at the car lot adjacent fueling station they had just ransacked.

    Did not see the 1st thug/scum/BLM hero go down, but did see the other two. To my eyes it was truly remarkable how restrained Kyle was; refraining from pulling the trigger until "last instant necessary" to save his skin. I doubt any military or law enforcement could, or would, have acted with more discipline, or shown such remarkable restraint in that situation.

  88. Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his “job” was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from “dyslexia” (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle. If convicted will not be allowed to own firearms again.

    • Thanks: Corvinus
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Jonathan Mason

    I've actually heard some things about your mom. Explains a lot.

    , @SimpleSong
    @Jonathan Mason

    > So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    This makes him more of a hero. Some people get dealt a bad hand and they become child molesters. Some people strive to show they are better than their roots.

    > Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family

    And yet he managed to contribute more to his civilization by age 17 than the average Harvard grad will in a lifetime.

    Seriously, the real test is coming up: whether after the smoke clears we quietly support people who stuck their necks out or we forget about them.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Alden

    , @Sandy Berger's Socks
    @Jonathan Mason

    Bullshit.

    Correct Verdict: Heroic teen exonerated of all charges, subsequently awarded millions after winning massive defamation lawsuit against libelous corporate media outlets.

    Post script: Prosecuting attorneys disbarred for conducting an unnecessary and unethical sham trial.

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Jonathan Mason


    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in.
     
    Members of the Unorganized Militia as spelled out in federal statute would be pretty useless without a firearm.

    (a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246
     
    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this.

    Ferengi Rules of Acquisition Number 16:

    A Deal Is A Deal. (Source: Melora - Deep Space 9)

    https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition
     
    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    You must have telephoned that in without engaging your British brain. The Constabulary routinely seize the wooden sticks of signs because they might be used as "offensive weapons," and for damn sure a skateboard has at least as much mass as a baseball bat.

    Replies: @3g4me

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Jonathan Mason


    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him.
     
    The first guy he shot was chasing him, lunged at him, and tried to disarm him. Moreover he was acting crazy and threatening people that night. Oh yes, he also just happened to be a convicted child-rapist. Just an upstanding citizen.

    It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.
     
    Think again, idiot:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdr-O81MEOk

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Alden
    @Jonathan Mason

    The lower lower lower middle class has to immigrate because he couldn’t make it in his own country sneering at the proles again.

    Kyle’s a better man than you you POS.

    , @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason

    1. Watch Kyle's testimony on the stand. He doesn't come across as stupid. No, he's not Michael Sussman. But he's a pretty poised kid, in a stressful situation. I do agree he had a bit of a hero complex. Not the worst thing in a young man. One of the reasons why you're free is slightly naive kids like that joining the Marines. While you sit and type on the Internet.

    2. That's silly about the disarming crap. These guys were thugs who saw a weaker guy and wanted to boot stomp his head. Oh....and I could literally (not how a millenial says it) crack your skull open and kill you with a skateboard.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Kylie
    @Jonathan Mason

    You will never be 1/100 of the man Kyle already is. In your stupidity, weakness and eagerness to smear your betters, you actually remind me of Prince Harry, certainly one of the most useless human beings now in the public eye.

    Both of you are truly vile creatures.

    , @John Johnson
    @Jonathan Mason

    The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    The first man had threatened to kill him and was chasing him down. Kyle was trying to flee but the child molester was relentless.

    The guy with the skateboard tried to hit him with it. The mob would have beaten him into a coma if he connected.

    A skateboard is a skateboard. It becomes a weapon if you make it one.

    Kyle was running towards the police and was not an active shooter. The mob wanted a piece of him and didn't think he would pull the trigger. What did you expect him to do? Lay down and take a mob beating?

    Kyle will walk. Time served at the most for the weapons charge.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Paperback Writer

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jonathan Mason

    Please stay in Ecuador.

    Replies: @Alden, @Achmed E. Newman

  89. @Wake up
    Rittenhouse’s biggest sin is that he’s White. If he was a Black teenager who shot 3 Conservatives, the media and Hollywood would declare him a hero.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Old Prude, @Morris Applebaum IV

    “If he was a Black teenager who shot 3 Conservatives, the media and Hollywood would declare him a hero.” That cannot be denied: Michael Byrd murdered a conservative white woman. QED.

  90. @Anonymous
    The Blue Checka:
    https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/1458276121393389572?s=20

    Replies: @Dr. Krankenschmaltz, @Twinkie, @Ben tillman, @Expletive Deleted

    The first reply:

    “They should move to the United States.”

  91. @anon
    From the NYT:

    “Making it harder to vote, and harder to understand what the party is really about — these are two parts of the same project” for the Republican Party, Jay Rosen writes. “The conflict with honest journalism is structural. To be its dwindling self, the G.O.P. has to also be at war with the press, unless of course the press folds under pressure.”
     
    So, yea. Against our contention that the left wants to replace core American voters, the Left has been making charges that the right is anti-Democratic. This is the sad place we are in.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @3g4me, @Jack D

    @10 anon[760]: Many of us on the genuine dissident right are ‘anti-democratic.’ Your lionized “Founders’ were certainly so. Democracy is mob rule +1, besides being an utter sham. Civilized life is naturally hierarchical. For those people capable of running their own lives without blaming others for their own failings, minimal government is obviously preferable. But the great mass of people – certainly the vast majority of women and even a significant subset of White men – are incapable of controlling themselves and behaving like reasonable adults, and require benevolent authoritarian rule by their own who ultimately have the good of their people (writ large, not merely close kin) at heart, more than just personal power and enrichment.

  92. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @PhysicistDave

    at least not until they imported Marxism from the West (okay, or maybe when they imported a weird perversion of Christianity in the Taiping Rebellion).

    These foreign ideologies or weird sects take hold when there's a crisis of civilization and demand for it.

    Millenarian sects showed up mainly in two eras: late Han, when Confucianism and Zhou religion of Heaven was facing spiritual crisis. Late Qing, when Neo-Confucianism 宋明理学 (syncretism of Confucianism, Daoism and Buddhism) was again facing spiritual crisis.

    There were not many of these sects for a thousand years from 4 to 14CE, when Buddhism and Neo-Confucianism were introduced and led to civilizational renewal.

    Also, opium was around in China since 6CE but there was never an addiction problem (alcohol was more so). The "opioid epidemic" only took hold in late Qing around the same time as the sects.

    Antiquity
    Xia 夏 dynasty (2070 – 1600 BC)
    Shang 商 dynasty (1600 – 1046 BC)
    Zhou 周 dynasty (1046 – 256 BC)
    Spring and Autumn 春秋 period (722 – 476 BC)
    Warring States 战国 period (476 – 221 BC)
    1st Empire
    Qin 秦 dynasty (221 – 206 BC)
    Han 汉 dynasty (206 BC – AD 220)
    Three Kingdoms 三国 (AD 220 – 280)
    Jin 晋 dynasty (AD 266 – 420)
    Northern and Southern dynasties 南北朝 (AD 420 – 589)
    2nd Empire
    Sui 隋 dynasty (AD 581 – 618)
    Tang 唐 dynasty (AD 618 – 907)
    Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms 五代十国 (AD 907 – 960)
    Song, Liao, Jin, and Western Xia dynasties 宋辽金夏 (AD 960 – 1279)
    3rd Empire
    Yuan 元 dynasty (AD 1271 – 1368)
    Ming 明 dynasty (AD 1368 – 1644)
    Qing 清 dynasty (AD 1644 – 1912)
    Modern
    Republic of China (AD 1912 – present)
    PRC (AD 1949 – present)

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Don’t forget the rise of Zhu Yuanzhang. He was quick to embrace orthodox Confucianism as soon as he could, but the Red Turbans were even more of an experiment of a mix of foreign and indigenous than the Taipings (my impression is that claiming the worship of “Shangdi” was an implicit claim to pre-Confucian antiquity).

    >These foreign ideologies or weird sects take hold when there’s a crisis of civilization and demand for it.

    I think that’s the case in any society. Healthy, stable societies with content people are, by default, conservative in the literal sense. That’s human psychology: we tend toward inertia. Why mess with things that work and have worked for centuries? The rise of something radically jarring requires the discrediting of old systems and values. Then, once things improve, human nature goes back to the default: whether the new has successfully supplanted the old or not.

    Take the rise of Christianity. It’s not a coincidence that Christianity grew enormously in the Roman Empire during the Crisis of the Third Century, when Roman civilization was on the verge of falling apart and Christianity proved superior to the old cults in addressing the problems of the age, spiritual and profane. 1,000 years later, though, and most people’s belief in Christianity more resembled the conservative confidence that those who kept to the traditions and morals and piety of their ancestors would do well than the search for something new it had originally been over 1,000 years earlier. Those that didn’t often ended up in schismatic movements that dissent from the societal mainstream, as discontents in all ages and places are wont to do.

  93. @Jonathan Mason
    Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his "job" was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from "dyslexia" (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle. If convicted will not be allowed to own firearms again.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @SimpleSong, @Sandy Berger's Socks, @Joe Stalin, @Mr. Anon, @Alden, @Anonymous, @Kylie, @John Johnson, @AnotherDad

    I’ve actually heard some things about your mom. Explains a lot.

    • LOL: Alden
  94. @The Alarmist
    I’d love to see what they come up with as the heros of the 2022 remakes of Dirty Harry and Death Wish.

    More4 aired an episode of The Good Fight last night, in which one of the lead characters (Diane) wrestled with turning one of her husband’s acquaintances to the FBI after determining the acquaintence was at the Capitol on 6 January. Her choice to drop the dime was made simple by her views that “those people” were at the Capitol with the intent to kill Pelosi et al.

    So the scripts for our hypothetical characters in the remakes of Dirty Harry and Death Wish are probably being pitched as I type, with Rittenhouse being the punk lying on the ground while a pistol-packing, trans-identifying creature going commando in a skirt stands over him asking him if he feels lucky.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Achmed E. Newman, @SunBakedSuburb, @Sebastian Hawks, @Corvinus

    They did a remake of Death Wish in 2018 with Bruce Willis in the Bronson role. The remake did not have the gritty feel of the original. It was more of a modern mainstream action movie with a budget of 30 million. In the remake the main bad guys were a White gang.

  95. @anon
    From the NYT:

    “Making it harder to vote, and harder to understand what the party is really about — these are two parts of the same project” for the Republican Party, Jay Rosen writes. “The conflict with honest journalism is structural. To be its dwindling self, the G.O.P. has to also be at war with the press, unless of course the press folds under pressure.”
     
    So, yea. Against our contention that the left wants to replace core American voters, the Left has been making charges that the right is anti-Democratic. This is the sad place we are in.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @3g4me, @Jack D

    Today, the most important axis of political conflict is not between left and right, but between pro- and anti-democracy forces.

    The way Rosen sees it, the American mainstream press must make a choice …. will it choose to boldly and aggressively defend truth and democracy?

    These days, Rosen’s view seems almost common-sensical

    Perhaps even self-evident?

    The above from the same article. This is what passes for “honest journalism” in 2021. It’s exactly what Steve said. Forget about Rittenhouse himself. ALL Republicans are bad guys who wear black hats. The only good Republican is a dead Republican (once he’s dead he can vote Democrat – in big cities all dead people are Democrats).

    Democrats represent truth and democracy and Republicans represent lies and dictatorship. Ergo, the press does not really have a choice at all. Of course it must side with “truth”. No need to pretend anymore that they are neutral. Did American journalists in WWII write that maybe the Japs had a good reason for bombing Pearl Harbor?

    And by the way, Manchin and Sinema have joined the Axis of Evil and must also be cast along with Republicans into the Outer Darkness. Anyone who is not 100% on board with the Squad is, by definition, against truth and democracy.

    Do the people writing this really lack all self-awareness and sincerely believe this shit? If so, they are even greater fools than I thought. If this was just a cynical ploy, I could accept it but I’m really afraid it isn’t and they have been getting high on their own supply.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    Anyone who is not 100% on board with the Squad is, by definition, against truth and democracy.

     

    Except for Israel. As long as the Nancy Pelosi/Chuck Schumer generation is in charge, Israel will be exempt. After they're gone, it'll be a long, cold winter for Israel in the Democratic party. At that point most American Jews will be Orthodox.
  96. @Anonymous
    Kyle was a good guy. The town had decided to let disorder exist. At a certain point, citizens have to take action. And even that said, they were smart enough not to fire on arsonists, but only in self defense. And they were cleaning graffiti earlier in the day.

    One of the reasons we have our comfy Western lifestyle is the willingness of young men to die in combat. C.S. Lewis made this point. It's something for all the old farts and feminazis to remember. It's so easy to resent the lifeguard when you are sitting on the shore. When you're drowning, you appreciate him.

    These people were thugs who thought they could beat the shit out of and disarm Kyle. I'm glad he wasted two of them and injured a third. Too bad he didn't kill "jump kick man" also.

    Replies: @Not you, @FPD72

    One of the reasons we have our comfy Western lifestyle is the willingness of young men to die in combat.

    If that were true, human progress would have stopped on January 8, 1815.

  97. @Bardon Kaldian

    For a long time, I’ve been pointing out that American thought is degenerating into a childish Good Guys vs. Bad Guys dichotomy.
     
    My opinion -this is the influence of classical Westerns. White hat vs. black hat.

    Replies: @Neuday, @Kratoklastes

    My opinion -this is the influence of classical Westerns. White hat vs. black hat.

    I don’t think those classical Westerns are much watched by anyone who isn’t collecting Social Security, and every single Western since the early 60’s has been a study in ambivalence, destroying the very concept of White Hat or Black Hat. The culture since the 60’s has been nothing but undermining the meanings of “Good”, “Truth”, and “Beauty”, telling us that the Hero is actually corrupt, the Whore has a heart of gold, and the Criminal is ackchually morally superior. Sorry BK, but you’re way off on this one.

  98. @Hangnail Hans
    @Shouting Thomas

    Though many qualifiers were inserted into the "historical record" over the centuries, what we know of Jesus Christ's teachings show them to be a thorough renunciation of mosaic law.

    "Judeo-Christian" describes a house divided against itself.

    Replies: @G. Poulin, @Hibernian, @Matt Buckalew

    More like an originalist correction of what the Law had degenerated into: the preferences of the rabbi class. For instance, the little passage in Deuteronomy concerning divorce had become an all-purpose loophole that allowed a guy to dump his wife for just about any reason —something the passage was never originally intended to allow. Jesus said “Enough of this crap. Stay married to your wife.” He was not rejecting the Law, but only those perversions of it that had become characteristic of Judaism in his time.

  99. @Chris Mallory
    It isn't just the "right" that would see the 3 as bad guys. Even convicts have little use for child rapists and wife beaters. I suspect both of them did most of their time in protective custody.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    The worst part of it is that Rittenhouse will also have to be put in protective custody if he’s convicted.

  100. @Jonathan Mason
    Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his "job" was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from "dyslexia" (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Jack D, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @RobinG, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Paul Mendez, @Hibernian, @Twinkie, @Paperback Writer, @danand

    You haven’t followed much of the trial. Rittenhouse is a good bet to walk on the felonies and the minor in possession of a firearm charge is 50/50 tossup if you read the Wisconsin law.

    Now the Feds might try to hit him with the straw purchase, but they haven’t yet.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Chris Mallory


    Now the Feds might try to hit him with the straw purchase, but they haven’t yet.
     
    They can try anything with the end of the protection against double jeopardy, don't they use some catch-all "deprivation of civil rights" law?

    While I'm not familiar with the law, this doesn't fit the normal straw purchase pattern, nor his stated and necessary plan once he would have turned 18. The gun was owned and most of the time stayed in the possession of his friend, really ex-friend by necessity since the prosecution is trying to nail him with one or more very serious felonies and he testified against Rittenhouse. The plan was that he'd get the necessary Illinois FOID once he became eligible, then do a proper NICS checked transfer in Illinois.

    The normal pattern is the ineligible perp hands the money to the straw purchaser and then immediately gets the gun in return.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory

    , @Alden
    @Chris Mallory

    Jonathan Mason never bothers with reading the pertinent laws. Like American judges he just makes up the laws. He probably doesn’t know what state the trial is in. Or that we have both a federal legal system and individual state laws and court systems. Probably thinks our court system is like small European countries. So small there’s only one national legal system.

    , @gandydancer
    @Chris Mallory


    ...the minor in possession of a firearm charge is 50/50 tossup if you read the Wisconsin law.
     
    If you actually read the law (948.60 Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.) Ritttenhouse should unquestionably walk:

    ((3)(c) "This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 [941.28  Possession of short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle.] or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 [29.304  Restrictions on hunting and use of firearms by persons under 16 years of age.] and 29.593 [29.593  Requirement for certificate of accomplishment to obtain hunting approval.]."

    Rittenhouse's AR was a long gun, and he was over 16 and not hunting.

    https://law.justia.com/codes/wisconsin/2015/chapter-948/section-948.60/
  101. @Tiny Duck
    @Wake up

    He is going to get his butthole pounded in prison so I hope you like that

    https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2020/09/06/leonard-pitts-kyle/

    all decent people view Rittenhouse as a terrorist

    That tells you smomething right there

    Replies: @Rob McX

    He is going to get his butthole pounded in prison so I hope you like that

    No punctuation…were you typing that with one hand?

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  102. @Elmer T. Jones
    After remaining professionally silent, Salon has finally provided their voice on this sensational trial. Today Journalist Heather Barton provides the FACTS about what happened that fateful night :

    The facts of the case are well known, so I won't go into it in detail. Suffice it to say that Rittenhouse fashioned himself as a "medic" (a role for which he was entirely untrained) as well as a sort of adjunct militia member, protecting private property and supporting the police when he drove into Kenosha that night and ostentatiously patrolled the streets with his long gun. He was confronted by Joseph Rosenbaum, an ex-convict with a history of mental illness who threw a bag of toiletries at him. Rittenhouse fired his gun, mortally wounding Rosenbaum. He called a friend and said, "I just killed somebody," as he jogged away from the scene.

    Rittenhouse was chased by several people, including one man who tried to hit him with a high kick. Rittenhouse fired at that person but missed. Another protester, Anthony Huber, attempted to bring him down with a skateboard and Rittenhouse shot and killed him too. Gaige Grosskreutz, an armed protester and trained paramedic who also chased Rittenhouse, testified that the two men aimed their guns at each other and Rittenhouse shot him as well, wounding him in the arm. Then Rittenhouse simply walked away from this bloody scene, walking right past police lines, and went home. He turned himself in the next morning. At no point did the self-styled medic try to help any of the people he shot.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Thea

    Yes you are right, that was pretty brazen of Salon and Barton, she wrote a number of lies that were directly contradicted by not only the visual evidence, but even the sworn testimony of Grosskreutz himself.
    You shouldn’t be so surprised though, that is the beauty of having absolute control, mainstream journalists can simply lie and then challenge anyone to point out what they just did.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Alfa158

    Worse, anyone who points out their lies automatically has questionable 'motivations.'

    , @Elmer T. Jones
    @Alfa158

    Clearly there is an element of racism in this case :

    Washington Post Headline : Judge in Kyle Rittenhouse trial faces backlash from ‘Asian food’ joke: ‘Definitely not okay’

    WISN ABC News : 'They're very slanted': Prosecution questions credibility of defense witness in Rittenhouse trial

    In other reports the judge is being "slammed" for his ringtone. How exactly does slamming and backlashing work?

    Replies: @Alden

  103. @Jonathan Mason
    Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his "job" was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from "dyslexia" (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle. If convicted will not be allowed to own firearms again.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @SimpleSong, @Sandy Berger's Socks, @Joe Stalin, @Mr. Anon, @Alden, @Anonymous, @Kylie, @John Johnson, @AnotherDad

    > So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    This makes him more of a hero. Some people get dealt a bad hand and they become child molesters. Some people strive to show they are better than their roots.

    > Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family

    And yet he managed to contribute more to his civilization by age 17 than the average Harvard grad will in a lifetime.

    Seriously, the real test is coming up: whether after the smoke clears we quietly support people who stuck their necks out or we forget about them.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix, 3g4me
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @SimpleSong

    I wouldn't want to give him the death sentence for his Forrest Gump type antics, but on the other hand he needs to be made an example of to discourage others from showing up at political demonstrations with loaded weapons.

    After all, the reason why police forces don't want to call out the national guard to political demonstrations is the memory of Kent State, and the knowledge that the national guard cannot be trusted not to lose it like Rittenhouse did.

    Replies: @SimpleSong, @Reg Cæsar, @Morris Applebaum IV, @Alden

    , @Alden
    @SimpleSong

    Exactly a real working class hero. And being a jr lifeguard, EMT, jr volunteer fireman and the police explorer program from the age of 15 are not what low class White trash boys do. And Jonathan Mason is an Arab who couldn’t make it at home and lives either Florida in America or Ecuador depending on what tale he’s telling

    Raised by one of the single moms the MEN OF UNZ hate and loathe so much. But never any mention of the disappearing dads by the MEN OF UNZ.

    His shooting!!! Where and how did he learn. He’s the kind of boy who sailed to Jamestown all by himself and in Magellan’s and Columbus’ ships. On a lower level, husband’s gr gr gr grandfather who got his 15 year old self and 13 year old sister from Boston to San Francisco in 1846 and arrived with a sting of stolen horses to sell.

    Jonathan Mason is like a lot of foreigners who post on this site. Scorn scorn scorn for America and White people. Remember that Dutchman whose every post was “ medical care is only for those who have 200K liquid cash to pay the bill?

  104. Over the past few months, BLM and Antifa have mostly been conducting their operations to varying degrees in the safer stomping grounds of large cities. They are allowed a great deal of freedom to operate because these cities have leadership which thinks it can use these groups to their advantage.

    This now brings us to a question being raised by some about their involvement in the forest fires that have been plaguing the west coast states this year. While some have been linked to specific causes, there are still many with unexplained origins. The most common natural-ignition source is a lightning strike. Yet the weather patterns this year have seen a very limited number of lightning storms to be the cause of so many fires. The other common factor is human interaction. Which brings us back to Antifa. Many have asked the question about whether some of its members are starting these fires and is the government downplaying this or outright trying to cover it up?

    Now we have Antifa, who over the last several months has been helping to facilitate the number and level of violence of riots across the country. They have been helping stoke the anger within minority communities over several highly publicized incidents with police. Their effectiveness has been aided by the prolonged, extensive lockdowns caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. When Atlanta was gripped with riots, videos on social media popped up about cars filled with black-clad passengers pulling up to random people of color and offering “assistance.”

    https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/antifa-weaponizing-arson/384947

    Communists, Antifa, and Fighting in the Streets

    By 1918, the situation was reaching critical levels. After the failed spring offensives on the Western Front, the German government essentially ceased to exist. The Kaiser abdicated and an unofficial government was formed. This power vacuum caused multitudes of people to flock to the Independent Social Party of Germany, the German Social Democratic Party (USPD and SPD) and Communist Party of Germany (KPD). There was even another far left-wing group calling themselves the Spartakus League.

    This in turn led many Germans to look to other organizations to counter this growing Communist threat. The majority of those in opposition came together unofficially as the Freikorps, consisting mostly of former German soldiers. The Freikorps was unified by the idea of protecting the German state. This group acted as sort of a civil defense against unrest. All of these organizations would have very large memberships. The Freikorps was estimated to be nearly two-million strong at its zenith. Then there was a third faction, the right-wing identitarian groups but they would remain fractured and insignificant for several more years.

    https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/communists-antifa-and-fighting-in-the-streets/377401

    The glory days were gone, and so was Kaiser Wilhelm II. Germany was now a Re-public, and power was in the hands of the moderate Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD in the German), under the leadership of Friedrich Ebert. As in all revolutions, however, the early weeks were filled with stresses and strains. Right-wing supporters of the monarchy were off-balance for the moment, but rival parties on the left were already on the march, especially the more extreme Independent Social Democrats (the USPD), as well as the Spartacus League (Spartakusbund), (Germany’s nascent communist party under Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg). Moreover, as the central government had melted away in the fall of 1918, power in most German cities had fallen into the hands of hastily formed “Workers’ and Soldiers’ Councils” (Arbeiter- und Soldatenräte), “soviets” that had sprung up more or less spontaneously. Anyone who had lived in Europe during the past two years could read the tea leaves: it was the same revolutionary path that Russia had taken, and Ebert probably went to bed at night wondering whether he’d still be in charge when the sun came up, and maybe whether he’d even be alive.

    The glory days were gone, and so was Kaiser Wilhelm II. Germany was now a Re-public, and power was in the hands of the moderate Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD in the German), under the leadership of Friedrich Ebert. As in all revolutions, however, the early weeks were filled with stresses and strains. Right-wing supporters of the monarchy were off-balance for the moment, but rival parties on the left were already on the march, especially the more extreme Independent Social Democrats (the USPD), as well as the Spartacus League (Spartakusbund), (Germany’s nascent communist party under Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg). Moreover, as the central government had melted away in the fall of 1918, power in most German cities had fallen into the hands of hastily formed “Workers’ and Soldiers’ Councils” (Arbeiter- und Soldatenräte), “soviets” that had sprung up more or less spontaneously. Anyone who had lived in Europe during the past two years could read the tea leaves: it was the same revolutionary path that Russia had taken, and Ebert probably went to bed at night wondering whether he’d still be in charge when the sun came up, and maybe whether he’d even be alive.

    https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/meet-freikorps-vanguard-terror-1918-1923

  105. @Jonathan Mason
    Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his "job" was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from "dyslexia" (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle. If convicted will not be allowed to own firearms again.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @SimpleSong, @Sandy Berger's Socks, @Joe Stalin, @Mr. Anon, @Alden, @Anonymous, @Kylie, @John Johnson, @AnotherDad

    Bullshit.

    Correct Verdict: Heroic teen exonerated of all charges, subsequently awarded millions after winning massive defamation lawsuit against libelous corporate media outlets.

    Post script: Prosecuting attorneys disbarred for conducting an unnecessary and unethical sham trial.

    • Thanks: RobinG
  106. @Jonathan Mason
    Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his "job" was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from "dyslexia" (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Jack D, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @RobinG, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Paul Mendez, @Hibernian, @Twinkie, @Paperback Writer, @danand

    Back in the day, some branch of the military would have taken him as long as he had a pulse.

    The prosecutor should dismiss on the condition that he joined up. That’s how it was done with juveniles back in the day. You’re right that the military would do him some good and I think he would make a good soldier. A win-win for society.

    All this stuff about his background is irrelevant foolishness that the jury will rightfully never hear. The judge is a wise and experienced judge and he has made it clear that this trial is about the less than 3 minute period in which all of the major crimes he is accused of took place. Not whether he wore a MAGA hat the week after or whether he was from a broken home. (Anyway, when blacks are from broken homes, that is supposed to mean we treat them MORE leniently – somehow being from a broken home counts AGAINST you if you are white – double standards much)?

    In that 3 minute period, a man that had previously verbally threatened to kill him tried to grab his gun (and Rittenhouse had every reason to believe he would have killed him if he had taken control of it – Rosenberg was unarmed when he was shot but he would have been armed a few seconds later.) And then a man with a skateboard tried to beat him to death, so he shot him too. And then a man with a gun pointed it at him, so he shot him also. Rittenhouse has (I believe) a valid self defense claim with respect to all 3 of these men. I don’t know enough about the case to say whether any of the other charges will stick but as to the 3 major crimes he is not guilty.

    Imagine that Rittenhouse was black and his attackers wore Proud Boys shirts, but otherwise all the same facts. Rittenhouse would be a hero of the Left.

    • Agree: JMcG, ic1000
    • Thanks: Alden
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Jack D

    "Imagine if Rittenhouse was black and his attackers wore Proud Boys shirts"

    I would conclude black Rittenhouse was a Fed operative involved in a phony racial attack to trigger another media sensation because the Proud Boys is a fraud.

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    (Anyway, when blacks are from broken homes, that is supposed to mean we treat them MORE leniently – somehow being from a broken home counts AGAINST you if you are white – double standards much)?
     
    This is a kind of white privilege - the privilege to have the book, and perhaps the entire library, thrown at you if you're white, and accused of a crime.
    , @Negrolphin Pool
    @Jack D

    The plain language of the minor in possession of gun charge, charged in adult court as being a minor, means that he cannot be convicted due to an exemption for 17 year olds using long-barreled guns.

    The prosecution is clairvoyantly arguing that the legislators actually meant and when they wrote or, and the jury should therefore ignore what the law says, read the worst possible interpretation for the criminal defendant into their extratextual theory and convict KR.

    Replies: @Negrolphin Pool, @Jack D

    , @David In TN
    @Jack D

    "Imagine that Rittenhouse was black and his attackers wore Proud Boys shirts, but otherwise all the same facts. Rittenhouse would be a hero of the Left."

    The Left is playing the "If the races were reversed trope."

    Jeffrey "I Had Never Hear of the Zebra Murders" Toobin said something like "If Rittenhouse was a 17-year old black kid the Right wouldn't be supporting him."

    As usual Toobin is wrong. If a 17-yeat old black had gone to a riot as antifa, he could have shot three white people in any type confrontation without being charged.

    , @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    Imagine that Rittenhouse was black and his attackers wore Proud Boys shirts, but otherwise all the same facts. Rittenhouse would be a hero of the Left.

    This really sums up the true nature of the left.

    They are an anti-mainstream White alliance and don't care at all about the law.

    If it was Darius Rittenhouse they would name a street after him.

    George Floyd has not one but two statues and he was a career criminal.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    The judge is a wise and experienced judge and he has made it clear that this trial is about the less than 3 minute period in which all of the major crimes he is accused of took place.

     

    First of all, as someone who has tangled with you many times here, an honest & sincere thank you.

    The above is the best summary of the issue I've read anywhere.

    Now I'm going to present the other side, and I invite you to destroy it. The other side says the entire series of events was caused by the fact that Rittenhouse came armed. Why did he come to a demonstration with an AR-15? Doesn't that fact demonstrate that he was, at the very least, inclined to aggression, and would interpret almost anything as threatening?

    I don't believe this but that's what they're saying. Have at it.

    Replies: @D. K., @John Johnson, @That Would Be Telling

  107. Speaking for myself, Rittenhouse seems like exactly the type who must have been down there on December 8th, 1941, enlisting in the Marines.

    I gave money to his defense, and if he is acquitted, intend to offer him my congratulations and best wishes for the future. He’s the kind of American we need more of, if we are to recover America.

  108. @Negrolphin Pool
    @PhysicistDave


    Leftists tend to be both highly successful by some of the standards of modern society (schooling and credentials) and also abysmal failures (in terms of their inability to deal with unfiltered, unmediated physical reality).
     
    This is quite similar to what Ted Kaczynski asserts in Industrial Society and Its Future, namely that there is an increasing proportion of those who cannot engage in the deepest human drive: the process of autonomously exercising meaningful power over one's domain.

    Kaczynski argues that there are simply too many people who can easily survive by going through the nature-detached daily motions of modern life but who can never experience anything like the boundless autonomy that ancestral man knew through personal mastery of his natural world, fishing, hunting, constructing a shelter with his own hands. These are the conditions in which we evolved for millennia and for which we are optimized. The further technology-driven modernity strays from that paradigm, the more we see a panoply of maladaptive behaviors (leftism).

    A complimentary explanation is offered by Edward Dutton. He posits that the industrial revolution was so effective at eliminating Darwinian selection pressures that we have slowly been overrun with spiteful mutants, people whose minds suffer from high mutational load and consequently whose behaviors are so maladaptive that they threaten even the fit.

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @Tony massey

    Dutton is mistaken. The selection pressures are simply different.

  109. @Alfa158
    @Elmer T. Jones

    Yes you are right, that was pretty brazen of Salon and Barton, she wrote a number of lies that were directly contradicted by not only the visual evidence, but even the sworn testimony of Grosskreutz himself.
    You shouldn’t be so surprised though, that is the beauty of having absolute control, mainstream journalists can simply lie and then challenge anyone to point out what they just did.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Elmer T. Jones

    Worse, anyone who points out their lies automatically has questionable ‘motivations.’

  110. @Ganderson
    “…due to their high verbal skills and often a high level of success in schooling…”

    Schooling is the correct word- rather than education.

    This is an important point- I doubt, Dave, there are many unintelligent people with degrees in, say, Physics, but there are tons of 4.0s in the softer disciplines, who are, not to put too fine a point on it, not all that bright, and who look with utter contempt on the science majors, or people who do what I’d call useful work. I live in a college town, and that attitude of sneering condescension toward the “lower orders” is pervasive. (Don’t get me started on the disdain the women’s studies types have for stay at home moms)

    I should point out here, that I fit the description of overeducated boob- both my grandfathers, one a Swedish immigrant brass caster, the other a Wabasha County, MN watermelon farmer, would be disgusted by my lack of practical knowledge, and my inability to do anything with my hands. Putting together IKEA furniture tests the limits of my mechanical abilities.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @John Johnson, @Buffalo Joe, @Reg Cæsar, @Bumpkin

    This is an important point- I doubt, Dave, there are many unintelligent people with degrees in, say, Physics, but there are tons of 4.0s in the softer disciplines, who are, not to put too fine a point on it, not all that bright, and who look with utter contempt on the science majors, or people who do what I’d call useful work.

    There aren’t unintelligent people with physics degrees from accredited program. You can’t cheat or slack your way through them. There are people that are intelligent but lack common sense or are unable to separate ideology and reality. That flaw is often mistaken for a lack of intelligence. If anything a lot of college educated Whites use their intelligence to help them deny reality. It can come across as stupidity but they are just using their minds to alter their take on reality for their own comfort. I would trust my Mexican contractor to develop racial policy over just about any White with a non-medical PhD. Whites with advanced degrees are often the worst when it comes to deluding themselves or others when it comes to race.

    The real problem right now is that the humanities and social sciences have ideological filtering. People that naturally excel in them aren’t anymore welcome than rational White men. Many of these degrees have become social associations of mediocre middle class workers. They exist primarily to make liberal White women and second rate men feel superior to the rest of society. These groups aren’t interested in rational thinkers that can sniff out ideological BS but they also don’t want to be overshadowed by someone that is a natural poet or author. The mediocre resent excellence in their own ranks. What they want is affirmation, not a reminder of their averageness.

  111. @Jonathan Mason
    Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his "job" was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from "dyslexia" (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle. If convicted will not be allowed to own firearms again.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @SimpleSong, @Sandy Berger's Socks, @Joe Stalin, @Mr. Anon, @Alden, @Anonymous, @Kylie, @John Johnson, @AnotherDad

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in.

    Members of the Unorganized Militia as spelled out in federal statute would be pretty useless without a firearm.

    (a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this.

    Ferengi Rules of Acquisition Number 16:

    A Deal Is A Deal. (Source: Melora – Deep Space 9)

    https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    You must have telephoned that in without engaging your British brain. The Constabulary routinely seize the wooden sticks of signs because they might be used as “offensive weapons,” and for damn sure a skateboard has at least as much mass as a baseball bat.

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @Joe Stalin

    @110 Joe Stalin: AAARGGGH! Why can you people not ever recall what other commenters have revealed about themselves? You continually engage with Mason when he never argues with intelligence or in good faith, and HE IS NOT BRITISH. He is a Juice with a British passport who married a non-White Caribbean woman. His mode of thought and his priorities have nothing to do with White Christian civilization.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  112. @Alfa158
    @Elmer T. Jones

    Yes you are right, that was pretty brazen of Salon and Barton, she wrote a number of lies that were directly contradicted by not only the visual evidence, but even the sworn testimony of Grosskreutz himself.
    You shouldn’t be so surprised though, that is the beauty of having absolute control, mainstream journalists can simply lie and then challenge anyone to point out what they just did.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Elmer T. Jones

    Clearly there is an element of racism in this case :

    Washington Post Headline : Judge in Kyle Rittenhouse trial faces backlash from ‘Asian food’ joke: ‘Definitely not okay’

    WISN ABC News : ‘They’re very slanted’: Prosecution questions credibility of defense witness in Rittenhouse trial

    In other reports the judge is being “slammed” for his ringtone. How exactly does slamming and backlashing work?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Elmer T. Jones

    The Witchfinder General would burn me at the stake if he she it heard my playlist. Rally round the Bonnie Blue Flag, I’m a good ol rebel I hate that striped banner and everything it stands for we killed 300 thousand and I wish we killed more, Virgil Caine of course. 2nd best a 1920s recording by confederate veterans of the Rebel Yell. It sounds like the Indian war cries in the old westerns Yip Yip Yip.

    And my very mostest bestest. The national anthem of the greatest man of the 20th century, my hero of heroes General Francisco Franco and his Nationalist Party . Only two countries ever rested a communist invasion and destroyed the commies. Finland in a short war and Spain in a long and difficult war in which the communists were backed by every liberal in Europe and America

  113. @Jonathan Mason
    Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his "job" was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from "dyslexia" (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Jack D, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @RobinG, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Paul Mendez, @Hibernian, @Twinkie, @Paperback Writer, @danand

    Looks like premeditation to me.

    Premeditation to get attacked? How does that work, legally? Does wearing a seatbelt mean a driver plans to crash a car?

    he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection

    It worked out quite well. Smart move to have it.

    It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    Thankfully there is video evidence that shows the attacker used it as an offensive weapon. Apparently it was not effective against a rifle used defensively.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Premeditation to get attacked?
     
    Suppose, for example (because he did in fact do this) he had said that "I'm bringing a gun to this "peaceful demonstration" and if I see anyone burning or looting stuff I am going to shoot them."

    And then he shot some arsonists. That would be pre-meditation.

    But in fact he shot people who were attacking him, not looters. As you say, planning to defend yourself against lethal force is not pre-meditation , it is a wise precaution.

    Apparently it was not effective against a rifle used defensively.
     
    Should have used a BULLETPROOF skate board. Antifa are instructed to carry such dual use objects so that they can preserve deniability - oh, this is just my skateboard. Of course if you are filmed using it to strike people, it becomes a lethal weapon, not a skateboard.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Ben tillman

  114. I think she is nominally pro-choice (which is a bullshit euphemism for “pro-abortion”), though she is bummed over late term abortions and harvesting fetuses etc. and in general is troubled about the whole notion of abortion in general. Nevertheless, she won’t fly in a Trump-dominated Republican Party but, as someone else suggested above, might wind up linking arms with Andrew Yang in some kind of independent party. Which may not be a bad idea,

  115. @Altai

    the nightmare they’ve been told to expect: a white (if rather swarthy, but never mind that)
     
    This might explain why Swarthy-American (Like many people of duel ancestry, Kimmel has chosen one over the other and really embraces his Southern Italian-ness, though his father was a bit mixed so maybe his Italian side was just more cohesive) Kimmel seems much more intent over the Jan 6th pitch invader's blondeness and whiteness. (Though I wonder if he'll muse on how the woman's appearance compares to his wife or his paternal grandmother...)

    Kimmel seems to have become perma-triggered by Trump's election. (He seriously hasn't looked right since, can't get along with guests he looks like he is on the verge of a breakdown or violent rampage at all times)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zfcYtA0PIE

    I think Steve is a bit unfair though, a case like this will always hinge on 'good guy' v 'bad guy' (Why'd Rittenhouse go in with a gun to a place full of people who wanted to fight him? Well, why isn't it on the guys who want to fight him not to start a fight in the first place? etc) because of the nature of the situation. What's novel and different is that the media has lost all pretense of objectivity and is tacitly treating the situation as another prelude to collective punishment of whites.

    And all of it is due to the media simply not allowing anyone to come out against immigration without being destroyed. This leads to only political extremists and people who don't care what others think (Often not the best spokesmen for anything) coming out and saying anything making it impossible for the nice liberal professor to ever come out with his anti-immigration opinion.

    Thus 'anti-immigration' becomes a proxy for personality type and innate meanness. Thus you have middle and upper middle class liberals losing their minds because suddenly half the country (A lot more if you look at the single issue opinion poll) have just become evil, there can be no rational or legitimate reason to oppose immigration or vote for Donald Trump as the man with a total political monopoly on the issue. It's causing them to lose their minds because they of this. To them it's like arguing over whether we should flay 10% of new born babies alive and 50% of people were all for it. And we have an elite running the media who should know better who either can't bring themselves to understand or who are just as incapable of thinking objectively on this as a neon-haired Tumblr user.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Achmed E. Newman, @Reg Cæsar

    Like many people of duel ancestry…

    Typo, or pun? Is Scots-Irish descent involved?

  116. It’s a curious amalgam between extreme arrogance (due to their high verbal skills and often a high level of success in schooling) and extreme insecurity (due to their lack of ability to deal with the real world — how many hard-core Leftists can repair an airplane engine or engage in high-rise construction or design an integrated circuit?).

    Leftists tend to be both highly successful by some of the standards of modern society (schooling and credentials) and also abysmal failures (in terms of their inability to deal with unfiltered, unmediated physical reality).

    Excellent points and I would add that they have a hard time dealing with reality in front of them vs in books or establishment media.

    They want to abstract something like race to textbooks and then have the textbooks tell them what they want to exist. Reality in their daily life can completely contradict their beliefs but all they need are the books to tell them that everything is fine because of Sources[1],[2]. When I was in college I was surprised by how many leftist students really didn’t consider the possibility that the textbooks were biased. In their minds it had all been studied and the problem was that an educated class of like minded leftsts were not in charge to implement the wisdom of the books. Numerous times in class I wanted to stand up and say ….. you guys realize that no one here is actually thinking, right? Everyone is just repeating what is in the textbook and no one is considering if it is actually true or not. Of course doing that would be completely pointless and I would labeled a right-wing Agitator by everyone for the rest of the quarter.

  117. The left wants the law abiding public disarmed. The Rittenhouse case shows why. The police were effectively cowed in Kenosha and the public was left to the whims of the mob.

    It only took a few, namely one, armed citizen to turn the tide. Like Dorothy with a bucket of water, Kyle destroyed all of their beautiful wickedness.

    Sometimes it really is as simple as good vs bad.

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @CW Acumen

    @116 CW Acumen: Yes, often it really is as simple as good versus bad, but it is not merely the left that wants the law abiding public disarmed. Most cops consider said public 'civilians' who ought not be trusted with firearms. They are loyal to one another and to their paymasters. Caveat emptor.

  118. @Shouting Thomas
    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.

    They are barbarians.

    Replies: @Just another serf, @PhysicistDave, @Bill Jones, @Dr. X, @anonymous coward, @MarkinLA, @Reg Cæsar, @P. Cleburne

    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.

    In other words, just like the righty kids on Unz.com.

    If you’re going to blame “boomers” for anything, it’s poor cultural stewardship. Everyone that has come after them is ignorant and immature.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
    @Reg Cæsar

    You are clueless -- there is ZERO comparison -- ZERO

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @John Johnson
    @Reg Cæsar

    In other words, just like the righty kids on Unz.com.

    If you’re going to blame “boomers” for anything, it’s poor cultural stewardship. Everyone that has come after them is ignorant and immature.

    Well boomer conservatives are at retirement age and most still think that church 'n tax cuts will somehow fix everything. Not sure how anyone can reach that age without accepting the reality of race and that Fox News/Con Inc/libertarian theory is all just BS.

    Also not seeing the logic when boomers themselves were raised in the church and yet still chose to drop acid and run around naked as a response to reality.

    What plagues the West is race and gender denial. Half the protestant churches are on board with Social Justice and teach children that Wakanda would exist in Africa if not for godless racist Whites. Those same kids later go to college and are taught that the Bible is fiction but Wakanda should in fact exist cause The Science says so. Everyone in Western society agrees that Whitey is the problem. The debate is over which group of Whites are to blame.

    , @Cato
    @Reg Cæsar

    I cringe when I think of my own political immaturity before the age of 45 or so. The young often believe that the world can be improved with a wave of a wand. Didn't Churchill or Clemenceau or someone make an adage of that?

  119. Tweak: Not ‘good guys’ and ‘bad guys’ but rather ‘us’ and ‘them’. Basic Human Nature — IFF.

  120. I found this in my Facebook feed.

    • Replies: @Tex
    @Roger

    I definitely prefer our 17 year-old.

  121. @anonymous coward
    @Shouting Thomas


    Judeo/Christian
     
    What the fuck is that and why did you use this God-awful word?

    What next? "Islamo-Hinduism"? "Buddho-Marxism"?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @MEH 0910

    Judeo/Christian

    What the 🫂 is that and why did you use this God-awful word?

    I have never met a Christian, of any stripe, who didn’t accept, if not embrace the Old Testament.

    Christian = 20-century tradition
    Judeo-Christian = 60-century tradition

    Yes, Jews use the term in a more contemporary sense versus the historical sense used by Christians. They seek allies while we seek more time.

    The old joke is that Britons think 200 miles is a long way, while/whilst Americans think 200 years is a long time. Different perspectives.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    Jewish thought had some influence on Christianity but I would say that Greek thought had just as much if not more. The Ancient Greeks (very little relation to the people who live in Greece today) were the intellectual and artistic giants of the ancient world. The Jews back then were just another Semitic tribe (originally with a multitude of gods) who sort of by accident decided to promote their chief god to the only God and this turned out to be a revolutionary idea. Other than that idea (and the Bible that goes with it) no one thought of the Jews in those times as having any sort of intellectual claims. Not even the Jews themselves, who took their calendar and writing system (and even bits and pieces of their theology) from other Near Eastern people who were more advanced such as the Babylonians and the Phoenicians. The Jews barely rate a mention in any of the ancient historic sources because they were so insignificant. Aside from Rabbinic thought which had limited impact in the West, Jews don't really make any further intellectual contributions until the 19th century and then they soar like rockets into the 20th.

    Pre-Marxist Western thought is perhaps best considered as Graeco-Judeo-Christian thought.

    Replies: @SimpleSong, @nebulafox

    , @John Johnson
    @Reg Cæsar

    I have never met a Christian, of any stripe, who didn’t accept, if not embrace the Old Testament.

    It's pick and choose.

    They will preach against pre-marital sex using the Old Testament and then hit the shrimp buffet after service.

    Cause that's different.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @Roger
    @Reg Cæsar


    I have never met a Christian, of any stripe, who didn’t accept, if not embrace the Old Testament.
     
    No. Many Christians, if not most, reject the Old Testament. Christianity is a rejection of Judaism. Judaism and Christianity have very little in common.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  122. @Jonathan Mason
    Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his "job" was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from "dyslexia" (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle. If convicted will not be allowed to own firearms again.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @SimpleSong, @Sandy Berger's Socks, @Joe Stalin, @Mr. Anon, @Alden, @Anonymous, @Kylie, @John Johnson, @AnotherDad

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him.

    The first guy he shot was chasing him, lunged at him, and tried to disarm him. Moreover he was acting crazy and threatening people that night. Oh yes, he also just happened to be a convicted child-rapist. Just an upstanding citizen.

    It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    Think again, idiot:

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Anon

    It's a little known fact but the skateboard is a type of club. I've seen it used to bash in someone's head.

  123. I try to be aware of the tendency to reduce situations down into over-simplistic Good/Bad terms, but it’s hard to see how Rosenbaum, a convicted pedophile running around starting fires and threatening to murder people isn’t a “bad guy.” The human gene pool got just a little bit cleaner that day.

  124. @LondonBob
    @Slim

    It is notable how large the contrast is between Rittenhouse and the three losers, one is undoubtedly a good guy, the three were almost caricatures of lowlifes. Sometimes there really are just goodies and baddies.

    Replies: @Ralph L

    the three were almost caricatures of lowlifes

    The one-winger was an EMT, but he sure looks ridden hard and put away wet for 27.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Ralph L

    Minion of Satan Grosskreutz claims to be a paramedic, more skilled, a higher level license than an EMT which Kyle is although I’m sure Illinois will pull his EMT license if it hasn’t already.

    Someone should check State of Wisconsin para medic website and see if Grosskreuz really is a paramedic. He may have taken a 4 hour first aid course at some point but I doubt it.

    Replies: @Alden

  125. @JimDandy
    @Verymuchalive

    The Left's characterization of Kyle as a "Bad Guy" isn't really "dumb" so much as despotic and revolutionary. Kyle interfered with an orchestrated attack on Donald Trump, and for that he must die.

    As for Tulsi, she doesn't have much of a future in politics, alas. Doesn't play ball with the Zionists.

    Replies: @J1234, @Art Deco

    The Left’s characterization of Kyle as a “Bad Guy” isn’t really “dumb” so much as despotic and revolutionary.

    Right. The devolving collective thinking that Steve correctly identifies is a function of radicalism. Pathos and logos are two (but not the only) different aspects of the human mind – one is emotion and the other reason. Usually, they sort of complement each other, but the radical pits them against each other. He believes all political energy and/or impetus for change is derived from emotion, so he exists in a perpetual, “Long live the revolution!” mental and moral framework, even when the revolution is long gone. “Good guy/bad guy” is the moral streamlining that needs to take place so that all of those frantic pathos centered worker bees can more easily take orders from their leaders.

  126. @Dutch Boy
    His hair is dark but I don't find his skin particularly swarthy (swarthy usually describes a skin tone). He looks like a generic European-American to me.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    Yeah most of my relatives have a similar look (maybe lighter brown hair) and nobody calls them swarthy. A “swarthy” white American is someone with the coloring of Catherine Zeta Jones or Colin Farrell.

  127. And so 90% of the responses boil down to: “Yeah! You’re right! Rittenhouse is the good guy!”

    Illiteracy is a big problem in this country.

    • Troll: magilla
  128. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jonathan Mason


    Looks like premeditation to me.
     
    Premeditation to get attacked? How does that work, legally? Does wearing a seatbelt mean a driver plans to crash a car?

    he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection
     
    It worked out quite well. Smart move to have it.

    It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.
     
    Thankfully there is video evidence that shows the attacker used it as an offensive weapon. Apparently it was not effective against a rifle used defensively.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Premeditation to get attacked?

    Suppose, for example (because he did in fact do this) he had said that “I’m bringing a gun to this “peaceful demonstration” and if I see anyone burning or looting stuff I am going to shoot them.”

    And then he shot some arsonists. That would be pre-meditation.

    But in fact he shot people who were attacking him, not looters. As you say, planning to defend yourself against lethal force is not pre-meditation , it is a wise precaution.

    Apparently it was not effective against a rifle used defensively.

    Should have used a BULLETPROOF skate board. Antifa are instructed to carry such dual use objects so that they can preserve deniability – oh, this is just my skateboard. Of course if you are filmed using it to strike people, it becomes a lethal weapon, not a skateboard.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    I am not sure that you still have a right to self-defense after you have killed the first unarmed person. After that anybody who tries to disarm you is acting in self-defense.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Jack D, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @That Would Be Telling, @TWS, @Colin Wright

    , @Ben tillman
    @Jack D

    Excellent comment, Jack.

  129. @SimpleSong
    @Jonathan Mason

    > So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    This makes him more of a hero. Some people get dealt a bad hand and they become child molesters. Some people strive to show they are better than their roots.

    > Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family

    And yet he managed to contribute more to his civilization by age 17 than the average Harvard grad will in a lifetime.

    Seriously, the real test is coming up: whether after the smoke clears we quietly support people who stuck their necks out or we forget about them.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Alden

    I wouldn’t want to give him the death sentence for his Forrest Gump type antics, but on the other hand he needs to be made an example of to discourage others from showing up at political demonstrations with loaded weapons.

    After all, the reason why police forces don’t want to call out the national guard to political demonstrations is the memory of Kent State, and the knowledge that the national guard cannot be trusted not to lose it like Rittenhouse did.

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
    @Jonathan Mason

    That was not a political demonstration by any stretch of the imagination, it was a riot.

    Also, didn't his attackers show up to this alleged 'political demonstration' with loaded weapons?

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason


    showing up at political demonstrations with loaded weapons
     
    https://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Kenosha-Riot-e1598280622185.jpg

    https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/08/NINTCHDBPICT000603927483.jpg?w=1440

    https://religionnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/webRNS-Bradford-UU3-082720.jpg

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Morris Applebaum IV
    @Jonathan Mason

    I don't really want to encourage his behavior either in general, but when the ruling class is encouraging people to loot, riot, and burn down cities during a pandemic to achieve political ends, I'm glad there are some people who will resist. I consider Kyle Rittenhouse a hero, though if he were my neighbor I would have told him to just stay home (for his sake).

    , @Alden
    @Jonathan Mason

    Thousands of people came with guns mace and gallon jugs of gasoline and charcoal lighter to riot and burn down the town And you you Arab POS think Kyle should be only person punished because he brought a gun.

    Kyle, like everyone else has the right to be there.
    Unlike the vile obscenity Grosskreutz who lied and claimed to be a paramedic, Kyle was a real EMT with a valid certificate.

    Kyle was a 4 fold essential public safety worker. EMT, jr Ljfe guard, jr volunteer fire fighter and State of Illinois police explorer Which is a State Trooper program similar to the city police cadets and county sheriff cadets.
    His fire department gave him equipment to put out the arson fires AND, as a jr volunteer fireman he was trained to fight fires. Not the big blazes. But definitely smaller fires. Which if put out don’t develop into big blazes.

    And he had an EMT license. Emergency medical technician. Ambulance crew First responder long before the patient gets to the emergency room. Keeps people alive so they can get to the ER. Learned how to deliver babies.

    In San Mateo County California the swimming pools were closed for covid hoax March 7 2020 for covid hoax. The jr lifeguards EMTs in that county, some as young as 15 obviously didn’t still work at the swimming pools. But because
    In California, all the jr lifeguards are considered essential public safety workers like police firemen state troopers and every single medic from Drs to nurses aids and blood technicians the kids kept getting paychecks for months.

    BECAUSE JR LIFEGUARD EMTs ARE ESSENTIAL PUBLIC SAFETY WORKERS
    The also had zoom meetings and online training. Also were told where the meeting place was if they had to be called out. Filled out a form. Do you have your drivers license, Will parents let use their car?

    I intensely dislike the foreigners who know nothing about America and the American people and endlessly post their ignorance. Also sneer at Kyle because his parents are divorced. That’s not Kyle’s fault is it you POS.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  130. @The Alarmist
    I’d love to see what they come up with as the heros of the 2022 remakes of Dirty Harry and Death Wish.

    More4 aired an episode of The Good Fight last night, in which one of the lead characters (Diane) wrestled with turning one of her husband’s acquaintances to the FBI after determining the acquaintence was at the Capitol on 6 January. Her choice to drop the dime was made simple by her views that “those people” were at the Capitol with the intent to kill Pelosi et al.

    So the scripts for our hypothetical characters in the remakes of Dirty Harry and Death Wish are probably being pitched as I type, with Rittenhouse being the punk lying on the ground while a pistol-packing, trans-identifying creature going commando in a skirt stands over him asking him if he feels lucky.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Achmed E. Newman, @SunBakedSuburb, @Sebastian Hawks, @Corvinus

    I’ve never heard of The Good Fight, Alarmist, but I’m still surprised to read that they’d be that blatant in inserting the Establishment narrative of a current political event into their show.

    As for Dirty Harry and Death Wish, we’re not going to see any of that realism* coming out of anything but the dark side of the internet. When I get movies from the library, I always have to get 3 or 4, as I never which ones I’ll have to stop at 5 or 10 minutes in … “this isn’t gonna work …” Hey, at least they’re “free”.

    .

    * Even Death Wish (first one, the original), had the murderers/rapists as white guy.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Achmed E. Newman

    All current shows are like that but The Good Fight is explicitly that, it was started to be nothing but that. As far as I know, its first ad was a fantasy about punching a "Nazi" for wearing a red baseball hat, verbally justified by a black trial lawyer. Considering the people who think Law and Order is real that could constitute an effort to create the general impression that assault is legal. The same college graduate geniuses who think that Rittenhouse shot black people think that the only rioting in the country was from the Lincoln Project.

    , @Ragno
    @Achmed E. Newman

    True memory.....DEATH WISH in its original release hit urban theaters like a seismic shock. (Literally.) The 1970s were the (brief) heyday of lines going twice around city blocks to see certain movies - THE GODFATHER was one; DEATH WISH was another.

    Anyway, my memory was walking past the theater where DEATH WISH was still playing, a month into its release, still racking up big box office. My friends and I were walking past the theater when we heard - and even felt - the ground and the walls of the building shaking with what sounded like wild cheering and footstomping.

    My friends and I looked at one another, grinning. "He just shot the (African-American fellow) climbing the chain link fence", we correctly guessed, as that first Bronson kill in the film - coming as it did after a near-decade of real-life black-on-white violence, urban collapse into hellhole status and professional law-enforcement timidity - acted much like wrenching open a dangerously backed-up steam valve. During those weeks in 1974, that one scene routinely and consistently prompted wildly insane cheering from audiences who were responding to much much more than technically-expert manipulation of moviegoers: it was the validation of the anxiety and apprehension - but even more so, the existence - of a white audience who already were wary of the direction society was taking, and cognizant of just who was being converted into unpeople and consequently ignored by the Powers That Be.

    We probably should have read more into that type of response to a movie scene, a month into release and in the middle of a weekday afternoon ...should have taken a different sort of notice at the semiotics of cheering that literally shook the ground outside the movie theater.....but after all, we weren't sociologists, we were just kids. Albeit kids who knew what time it was re the clusterfuck of wishful-thinking race relations, even in 1974.

  131. @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Premeditation to get attacked?
     
    Suppose, for example (because he did in fact do this) he had said that "I'm bringing a gun to this "peaceful demonstration" and if I see anyone burning or looting stuff I am going to shoot them."

    And then he shot some arsonists. That would be pre-meditation.

    But in fact he shot people who were attacking him, not looters. As you say, planning to defend yourself against lethal force is not pre-meditation , it is a wise precaution.

    Apparently it was not effective against a rifle used defensively.
     
    Should have used a BULLETPROOF skate board. Antifa are instructed to carry such dual use objects so that they can preserve deniability - oh, this is just my skateboard. Of course if you are filmed using it to strike people, it becomes a lethal weapon, not a skateboard.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Ben tillman

    I am not sure that you still have a right to self-defense after you have killed the first unarmed person. After that anybody who tries to disarm you is acting in self-defense.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Jonathan Mason

    Thank you for admitting you have no idea what you're talking about.

    , @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    That makes no sense and is legally incorrect. IF killing Rosenberg was murder then yes the others would have had the right to try to disarm the madman but if it was legitimate self defense they were in no danger unless they too attacked him, which they did.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jonathan Mason


    I am not sure that you still have a right to self-defense after you have killed the first unarmed person.
     
    Since you’re not sure, I’ll educate you: You are allowed to shoot as many people attacking you, armed or unarmed, as you want until the attacks stop. In some states you may be legally required to attempt to flee the danger if possible, in other states you may stand your ground. There is no legal upper limit to the number of attackers who may be culled.

    After that anybody who tries to disarm you is acting in self-defense.
     
    Wrong: They are still classified as active attackers and are legally subject to immediate termination. The exception would be police intervening and locking down the scene.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Alden

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Jonathan Mason


    I am not sure that you still have a right to self-defense after you have killed the first unarmed person. After that anybody who tries to disarm you is acting in self-defense.
     
    Since by your own admission you don't know anything about self-defense law, wouldn't you be better off keeping your mouth shut unless and until you learn something about it, not to mention the facts of the case?

    You start out with "killed an unarmed man" as if that's a talisman ... well, I think the prosecution tried the same tact. You're not aware of the very most basic principle, that when illegitimately threatened with lethal force, you are allowed to reply in kind.

    Here we have someone with a long gun which the perp tries to take from him, and there's absolutely no question of that based on FLIR video, maybe the Unicorn video, and the forensics of soot, incompletely burned gunpower stippling, and as I recall getting shot through his hand.

    It's way too easy for someone weaker than your to grab a long gun outside of your grip, remove it and use it on you. It's simply not a question nor has been since forever that this is a threat of lethal force.

    And thus the rest of your "analysis" if it can be called that fails, although while we're at it, you can in various states regain your ability to use lethal force legally in situations like Rittenhouse found himself in afterwords. Things like retreating, and the state not encouraging "mob justice."

    , @TWS
    @Jonathan Mason

    What the hell did you do in prison? Laundry? Kitchen? Did you somehow avoid talking to jailhouse lawyers? Since you are from a country that does not allow self defense why bother opining before you educate yourself?

    , @Colin Wright
    @Jonathan Mason

    'I am not sure that you still have a right to self-defense after you have killed the first unarmed person. After that anybody who tries to disarm you is acting in self-defense.'

    As stated, this argument is transparent nonsense. Let's suppose I go into a bar and manage to enrage all the habitues. They start to menace me. One attacks me. Cornered, I shoot him.

    Your position is that now the others have acquired a right to assault me?

    I think not. Obviously, they can 'defend themselves' quite easily. Just don't attack me.

    It's intriguing that you find yourself unable to offer a better argument, isn't it?

  132. @Reg Cæsar
    @anonymous coward



    Judeo/Christian
     
    What the 🫂 is that and why did you use this God-awful word?
     
    I have never met a Christian, of any stripe, who didn't accept, if not embrace the Old Testament.

    Christian = 20-century tradition
    Judeo-Christian = 60-century tradition

    Yes, Jews use the term in a more contemporary sense versus the historical sense used by Christians. They seek allies while we seek more time.

    The old joke is that Britons think 200 miles is a long way, while/whilst Americans think 200 years is a long time. Different perspectives.

    Replies: @Jack D, @John Johnson, @Roger

    Jewish thought had some influence on Christianity but I would say that Greek thought had just as much if not more. The Ancient Greeks (very little relation to the people who live in Greece today) were the intellectual and artistic giants of the ancient world. The Jews back then were just another Semitic tribe (originally with a multitude of gods) who sort of by accident decided to promote their chief god to the only God and this turned out to be a revolutionary idea. Other than that idea (and the Bible that goes with it) no one thought of the Jews in those times as having any sort of intellectual claims. Not even the Jews themselves, who took their calendar and writing system (and even bits and pieces of their theology) from other Near Eastern people who were more advanced such as the Babylonians and the Phoenicians. The Jews barely rate a mention in any of the ancient historic sources because they were so insignificant. Aside from Rabbinic thought which had limited impact in the West, Jews don’t really make any further intellectual contributions until the 19th century and then they soar like rockets into the 20th.

    Pre-Marxist Western thought is perhaps best considered as Graeco-Judeo-Christian thought.

    • Agree: SimpleSong, S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @SimpleSong
    @Jack D

    It's probably most historically accurate to consider Christianity a Greek religion with a Jew as the central figure--the New Testament is entirely written in Greek originally (Koine Greek, I believe) and most of the activities of the early church were carried out by Greeks.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Matt Buckalew

    , @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    The Islamic analogue to Greece and Rome is Persia. A surprising amount of Zoroastrianism pops up in what we think of as conventionally Islamic. The Abbasid caliphate replicated the Sassanid court as much as the Dark Ages Pope was de facto dux of Rome.

    >The Jews barely rate a mention in any of the ancient historic sources because they were so insignificant.

    I wouldn't go that far. Later Republican Roman history was clearly aware of Jews and talks about their strange ways at length with a mixture of contempt and respect. ("Wow, they actually take their piety SERIOUSLY?") The Romans were never a philosophical bunch, unlike the Greeks, so they didn't think much of the underlying implications at first, before there was a cult to the emperor.

    There was a diaspora across the Mediterranean by the turn of the millennium, including in Rome itself, and the Hellenized version of the religion that dominated among the diaspora was winning converts who were attracted to various aspects of the faith. However, there was always a strong tension between them and the Palestinian "rednecks" or "non-traitor", depending on your POV, Jews back home, and that came to a head.

    The big turning point was the Flavian sack of Jerusalem, both in terms of Christianity diverging into its own thing and for the prospect of conversion of Gentiles. John's Jesus' prophecy on his way to Golgotha is a clear allusion to what will happen to the city 35 years later. In the pre-modern world, where it was taken for granted by virtually all people around the globe that the divine played a direct role in who succeeded and who failed, the sack set tongues wagging as to who was at fault, and the Hellenized community lost out.

    Replies: @Paul Mendez, @Alden, @Jack D

  133. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    I am not sure that you still have a right to self-defense after you have killed the first unarmed person. After that anybody who tries to disarm you is acting in self-defense.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Jack D, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @That Would Be Telling, @TWS, @Colin Wright

    Thank you for admitting you have no idea what you’re talking about.

  134. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    I am not sure that you still have a right to self-defense after you have killed the first unarmed person. After that anybody who tries to disarm you is acting in self-defense.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Jack D, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @That Would Be Telling, @TWS, @Colin Wright

    That makes no sense and is legally incorrect. IF killing Rosenberg was murder then yes the others would have had the right to try to disarm the madman but if it was legitimate self defense they were in no danger unless they too attacked him, which they did.

    • Agree: SimpleSong
  135. Trayvon Martin hadn’t a gun when he mistakenly launched his homophobic attack on George Zimmerman.

  136. @Bardon Kaldian

    For a long time, I’ve been pointing out that American thought is degenerating into a childish Good Guys vs. Bad Guys dichotomy.
     
    My opinion -this is the influence of classical Westerns. White hat vs. black hat.

    Replies: @Neuday, @Kratoklastes

    Agree, but it goes deeper than that.

    The entire schtick since colonial times has been pretty Manichaean – and it’s not a uniquely American, or uniquely Anglo-European, or uniquely Western, or uniquely Christian.

    People who enrich themselves at others’ expense will always have a set of apparently-plausible justifications for their behaviour: the pigs get all the milk and the apples, because without the pigs the whole Revolution would collapse and Mr Jones might come back… and nobody wants that.

    (Alternatively: perhaps it’s best not to have a revolution, because – and I’m only conjecturing, mind you – it might be that only well-behaved animals get to spend eternity in Sugarcandy Mountain).

    .

    inb4 some dipstick pretends that the likes of Temujin (Chinggis/Genghis Khan) didn’t craft justification for themselves: the Tengrists firmly believed in what we would now recognise as ‘Manifest Destiny’.

    The Yasa – the ‘legal’ framework that was promulgated by Chinggis and his successors – has all the standard poetic “Love one another” stuff that one finds in all self-hagiography, along with imposing the death penalty for pretty much everything. (That said: there is no extant written version of the Yasa, so there is only fragmentary evidence for its original contents – much of it dating from 2 centuries after Chinggis’ death – but it’s clear that his contemporaries considered Chinggis to be a unifying influence; tolerant of religious differences; meritocratic).

    TL;DR: everyone who seeks to live at others’ expense, claims to be doing the right thing. Anyone who disagrees is – whether deliberately or through error – supporting the wrong thing.

    Moses makes it clear that he’s been told that people supporting the wrong thing have to die – whether it’s the 12th century on the plains of Mongolia, the 19th century on the plains of the US midwest, or the 21st century in the mountains of Afghanistan.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Kratoklastes

    I’ve read several biographies of Genghis Khan. The most plausible theory of why he killed so many people supposedly about 40 million was to destroy the farming manufacturing city way of life. The mongols bred horses and sheep and depended on hunting for food. Mongol hunts weren’t going out with a gun or Spears bows and arrows for a few hours to find a deer wild pig coon duck pheasant or rabbit

    They were splendid month long affairs. Thousands participated. The deal was form a many miles long straight line beat drums make a lot of noise scare the animals into running .

    Then form a crescent so they couldn’t escape to the sides keep moving gradually close the crescent when the circle is complete closed make the circle smaller then close in. And start the slaughter Something the mongols loved Lots of the men were killed by other hunters weapons It was a grand and glorious fiesta of blood adrenaline and slaughter.

    I don’t how they preserved the meat or if they did. It wasn’t the normal way of hunting for food. Since the idea was to kill as many animals as possible all at once much of the meat would have been wasted.

    The farmers were encroaching. The towns were growing . Muslims were building big Temples and libraries which attracted people to live nearby and make the towns biggerAnd pesky pilgrims building more roads and caravanaseries along the way.

    Mongol manufacturing was pretty much just weapons black smiths and horse tack. The women of course sheared the sheep and made the wool into felt not woven fabric.

    Historians of farming and forests claim that millions of miles of farmland went back to forest because the farmers were dead.

    Genghis achieved his goal. His vast territory was empty of those farms and towns that conflicted with the mongol way of life. If the mongols needed anything but felt cloth and leather they raided the nearest non mongol town. He left just enough farmers and towns so the mongols could conveniently raid them. Although supposedly tthe men could cover a thousand miles in about 8-12 days on their horses. So they didn’t have to live near the people who produced what the Mongols wanted.

  137. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    Jewish thought had some influence on Christianity but I would say that Greek thought had just as much if not more. The Ancient Greeks (very little relation to the people who live in Greece today) were the intellectual and artistic giants of the ancient world. The Jews back then were just another Semitic tribe (originally with a multitude of gods) who sort of by accident decided to promote their chief god to the only God and this turned out to be a revolutionary idea. Other than that idea (and the Bible that goes with it) no one thought of the Jews in those times as having any sort of intellectual claims. Not even the Jews themselves, who took their calendar and writing system (and even bits and pieces of their theology) from other Near Eastern people who were more advanced such as the Babylonians and the Phoenicians. The Jews barely rate a mention in any of the ancient historic sources because they were so insignificant. Aside from Rabbinic thought which had limited impact in the West, Jews don't really make any further intellectual contributions until the 19th century and then they soar like rockets into the 20th.

    Pre-Marxist Western thought is perhaps best considered as Graeco-Judeo-Christian thought.

    Replies: @SimpleSong, @nebulafox

    It’s probably most historically accurate to consider Christianity a Greek religion with a Jew as the central figure–the New Testament is entirely written in Greek originally (Koine Greek, I believe) and most of the activities of the early church were carried out by Greeks.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @SimpleSong

    It wasn't either/or, especially pre-Flavian sack. St. Paul was both a Jew educated in the Torah and an educated Roman citizen clearly familiar with the pagan classics: there's even a quote of Menander somewhere in the NT, though I forget where. He lived in Rome at the same time Seneca. For all we know, they met... and they certainly died at the hands of the same man, Nero.

    I don't think it is an accident that Stoicism and Christianity blend together nicely, in terms of metaphysics, at least.

    Also, weren't there heretical movements in early Christianity that tried to ditch the OT altogether?

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian

    , @Matt Buckalew
    @SimpleSong

    Have you ever read the New Testament? Paul shows a surprising knowledge of Greek culture for a converted Pharisee-adjacent skilled laborer but unless you have knowledge of the OT a lot of the letters would make very little sense.

  138. Rittenhouse and His Antifa Attackers: Good Guys vs. Bad Guys

    I say:

    Yeah, they got the dingbat dope boobs in the US military talking like that about “bad guys” and the like. The moron junior officers in the US military can’t handle the fact that they are just “mowing the lawn” as the Israelis say, or fighting resource wars or stopping some dickweed from selling his oil in euros or some other imperial function called “stability operations” or fighting wars on behalf of the millstone client state of Israel.

    Got to be “good guys” or “bad guys” for dimwit, no-integrity scum like Tom Cotton and the like.

    I wrote this in October of 2018:

    Haddon Hall guy from Long Island likes to use Good Whites vs Bad Whites. John always minds his Manners. I think that sounds too much like the “bad guys” rhetoric of some of the brainwashed globalizer asshole officers in the US military.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/onrushing-hispanic-electoral-tsunami-postponed-for-another-two-years/#comment-2566965

  139. Hmmm — 5 time Child Rapist threatening murder and attacking murderously — “sound like the Bad Guys”…only if you can hear?

  140. @Jonathan Mason
    Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his "job" was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from "dyslexia" (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Jack D, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @RobinG, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Paul Mendez, @Hibernian, @Twinkie, @Paperback Writer, @danand

    It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    Dude, [or should I say, OK, Boomer], where have you been…. and where do you think you are??? The skateboard has been one of Antifa’s weapons-of-choice since the Battle of Berkeley, at least.

  141. @PhysicistDave
    Sailer wrote:

    To the left half of the country, the teen marksman looks like the nightmare they’ve been told to expect: a white (if rather swarthy, but never mind that) male with one of those scary rifles.
     
    The lefties are correct, you know.

    Rittenhouse is their worst nightmare: a normal human being who wants to live in a peaceful country and who is willing to fight for that if he has to.

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident.... And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."

    What rightly terrifies the Left is that there still may be millions of Americans who really think that way.

    Not just Kyle Rittenhouse.

    Replies: @Getaclue

    This is actually what the “Trial” is about — a Trial that should never have happened because it is clearly Self Defense — the Lefty Communists are all about showing anyone who might defend themselves from the Antifa/BLM Arsonist Child Rapists etc. creeps what will happen to them if the do so — it has nothing to do with the facts of what happened because those clearly show that insane maniacs attacked and were received properly in Self Defense — and the Mainslime Media is all about this alone, this is what “Gun Control” is about — stripping you naked to be tortured and murdered by them….

  142. @Jonathan Mason
    @SimpleSong

    I wouldn't want to give him the death sentence for his Forrest Gump type antics, but on the other hand he needs to be made an example of to discourage others from showing up at political demonstrations with loaded weapons.

    After all, the reason why police forces don't want to call out the national guard to political demonstrations is the memory of Kent State, and the knowledge that the national guard cannot be trusted not to lose it like Rittenhouse did.

    Replies: @SimpleSong, @Reg Cæsar, @Morris Applebaum IV, @Alden

    That was not a political demonstration by any stretch of the imagination, it was a riot.

    Also, didn’t his attackers show up to this alleged ‘political demonstration’ with loaded weapons?

  143. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    I am not sure that you still have a right to self-defense after you have killed the first unarmed person. After that anybody who tries to disarm you is acting in self-defense.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Jack D, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @That Would Be Telling, @TWS, @Colin Wright

    I am not sure that you still have a right to self-defense after you have killed the first unarmed person.

    Since you’re not sure, I’ll educate you: You are allowed to shoot as many people attacking you, armed or unarmed, as you want until the attacks stop. In some states you may be legally required to attempt to flee the danger if possible, in other states you may stand your ground. There is no legal upper limit to the number of attackers who may be culled.

    After that anybody who tries to disarm you is acting in self-defense.

    Wrong: They are still classified as active attackers and are legally subject to immediate termination. The exception would be police intervening and locking down the scene.

    • Agree: Technite78, Not Raul
    • Thanks: RobinG
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    You are allowed to shoot as many people attacking you, armed or unarmed, as you want until the attacks stop.
     
    To use a bit of Andrew Branca's framework, Proportionality is a critical factor I think you assumed, these must be attacks of lethal force.

    In some states you may be legally required to attempt to flee the danger if possible, in other states you may stand your ground.
     
    Wisconsin happens to be a "Stand Your Ground" state, but it's irrelevant in this case because Rosenbaum per forensic evidence most certainly executed his ambush well, closed to contact distance and Rittenhouse fired after he got his hand on the muzzle.

    After that anybody who tries to disarm you is acting in self-defense.
     
    Since they are furthering Rosenbaum's attempt to murder Rittenhouse. They thought the above fact pattern was reversed? Sucks to be them, and it's not at all clear that fact pattern would have given them a hunting license. Especially since, you know, Rittenhouse was moving to the police line, fat lot of good that did him (they refused to accept his surrender, then again they didn't freak out with him you know having a rifle he'd by his own admission just used, maybe they even saw it go down??? Of course the sorts of people with guns they have to worry about are not ones like him).

    And getting back to the irrelevance of Stand Your Ground, the mob felled Rittenhouse, Huber with a strike to the neck with his dual-use skateboard, and someone hit him in the head with concrete they were holding. At the point he was on the ground he physically could not retreat. And:

    Wrong: They are still classified as active attackers and are legally subject to immediate termination.
     
    Presenting the threat of lethal force to Rittenhouse, he was allowed to reply in kind. And not, for example, shoot Grosskreutz again once he realized he'd all but literally disarmed him. After wasting Huber, which Grosskreutz justified on the stand, and very bloodily destroying Grosskreutz's bicep, just pointing the rifle at the other would be attackers had the desired deterrent effect, he didn't need to shoot again.

    That fact pattern of not shooting after he didn't need to is one of the things that helps Rittenhouse's claim of self-defense, assuming the law will have any bearing on the verdict.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Paperback Writer

    , @Alden
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    From what state Penal code are you referring? Federal law specific laws of the state in which the shooting occurred even City and county ordinances all apply.

    George Zimmerman . Should never have been born Martin was sitting on his chest, holding his ears and pounding Zimmerman’s head into the ground. Still charged with murder by a White looking but 1/8 black DA after pressure firm the federal department of justice and every scumbag black activist in America.

    1,000 year old common law, the LOL constitution. Federal and state Penal codes. The law is nothing if the accused is White and the anti White liberals communists Jews blacks Hispanics and Asians are out to convict the White.

  144. @Jonathan Mason
    @SimpleSong

    I wouldn't want to give him the death sentence for his Forrest Gump type antics, but on the other hand he needs to be made an example of to discourage others from showing up at political demonstrations with loaded weapons.

    After all, the reason why police forces don't want to call out the national guard to political demonstrations is the memory of Kent State, and the knowledge that the national guard cannot be trusted not to lose it like Rittenhouse did.

    Replies: @SimpleSong, @Reg Cæsar, @Morris Applebaum IV, @Alden

    showing up at political demonstrations with loaded weapons

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Reg Cæsar

    If only the unitarian church burned then nothing of value would be lost.

    I can be critical of Christianity but the alternatives are much worse. I really do admire the Russian Orthodox church and mostly get annoyed with American protestant churches that have bought into liberalism. They wrap White guilt into the idea of original sin.

    But unitarians take being White to another level of self-loathing. They easily beat secular Whites when it comes to apologizing for existing. Christianity has forgiveness even for blood guilt while unitarians have replaced the devil with Whites.

    Unitarians should just make a formal apology for being White and then blow their brains out. Their non-binary ambiguous spirit goddess will be pleased.

  145. @Reg Cæsar
    @Shouting Thomas


    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.
     
    In other words, just like the righty kids on Unz.com.

    If you're going to blame "boomers" for anything, it's poor cultural stewardship. Everyone that has come after them is ignorant and immature.

    Replies: @Getaclue, @John Johnson, @Cato

    You are clueless — there is ZERO comparison — ZERO

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Getaclue

    The WNs or whatever you want to call them here are dismissive of the faith of their elders, lack even the basics of common courtesy, and rail against Jews while agreeing with them on the worst points-- abortion, homoeroticism, pornography, starting the school day with prayer, etc.

    They don't burn down buildings like the Antifags do, but one does get the strong impression that they reserve the right to.

    Thomas Sowell said the only workable definition of "the right" is anyone who dares oppose the Left. He's spot-on about that. But how good is an opposition that cedes that much ground?

    Replies: @Bubba, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  146. Mrs Rittenhouse is damning Joseph R Biden for damning her son.

    Can he sue Old Block Joe? Was the man speaking as a private citizen, or as President of the United States? The latter seems most inappropriate for the office.

    But if it was just his personal opinion, then a civil lawsuit appears justified.

  147. @Slim
    I'm in awe of Kyle's ability to shoot calmly in that situation. I've used firearms all my life but I doubt I could dispatch three miscreants attacking me as efficiently as he did. Also, he ended the riot as it turned out. Heroic stuff.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @Jack Kennedy, @Alden

    KR displayed my idea of …. Gun Control

    And America won that day !!

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  148. @Verymuchalive
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tulsi-gabbard-defends-kyle-rittenhouse-just-a-foolish-kid/ar-AAQCsCY

    Interesting to hear Tulsi Gabbard defending Rittenhouse. This surely means a complete break with the Democrats. What her future political career ( if any ) will be, I don't know. Any suggestions ?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Hapalong Cassidy, @JimDandy, @Goddard, @Paperback Writer, @SunBakedSuburb, @Mr. Anon

    “Tulsi Gabbard”

    A coalition is building between sensible, moderate liberals and sensible, moderate conservatives. People who want to live in a free society. Those consumed by fear and authoritarian fantasies will not be given a passport.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @SunBakedSuburb


    A coalition is building between sensible, moderate liberals and sensible, moderate conservatives.
     
    Who like Gabbard and Wang are explicit about wanting to take our guns (Wang believes this is necessary because Americans are going to get so angry at successful Chinese people we'll just start killing them out of hand, that's also what the UBI bribe is about; as you'd expect from an urban? paper American, he doesn't understand "core Americans" at all.).

    People who want to live in a free society.
     
    See above, they demonstrably want to be on top and those below them will be subjects/serfs. You can only say this by redefining reality.

    Those consumed by fear and authoritarian fantasies will not be given a passport.
     
    Especially these people they label as evil, who will be given "passports" straight into mass graves.

    No sale, and in times like these, "the centre cannot hold."
  149. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    I am not sure that you still have a right to self-defense after you have killed the first unarmed person. After that anybody who tries to disarm you is acting in self-defense.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Jack D, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @That Would Be Telling, @TWS, @Colin Wright

    I am not sure that you still have a right to self-defense after you have killed the first unarmed person. After that anybody who tries to disarm you is acting in self-defense.

    Since by your own admission you don’t know anything about self-defense law, wouldn’t you be better off keeping your mouth shut unless and until you learn something about it, not to mention the facts of the case?

    You start out with “killed an unarmed man” as if that’s a talisman … well, I think the prosecution tried the same tact. You’re not aware of the very most basic principle, that when illegitimately threatened with lethal force, you are allowed to reply in kind.

    Here we have someone with a long gun which the perp tries to take from him, and there’s absolutely no question of that based on FLIR video, maybe the Unicorn video, and the forensics of soot, incompletely burned gunpower stippling, and as I recall getting shot through his hand.

    It’s way too easy for someone weaker than your to grab a long gun outside of your grip, remove it and use it on you. It’s simply not a question nor has been since forever that this is a threat of lethal force.

    And thus the rest of your “analysis” if it can be called that fails, although while we’re at it, you can in various states regain your ability to use lethal force legally in situations like Rittenhouse found himself in afterwords. Things like retreating, and the state not encouraging “mob justice.”

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
  150. @ic1000
    A couple of days back, I had commented that NBC's morning show Today had aired a segment on the Kenosha trial that was reasonably non-hostile to Rittenhouse. Given that NBC Nightly News has been staunchly pro-prosecution, I had wondered if a rift was developing at that network.

    Well, today, Today is again rooting for the Good Guy Assistant District Attorney, and puzzled by the judge's testiness towards him. Reporter Gabe Gutierrez ended the piece by interviewing an impartial observer, Jacob Blake's uncle. The uncle expressed remorse over Jacob's reckless and dangerous actions, which endangered his kids and the cops, led to his injuries, and sparked the riots.

    Ha! Kidding! Why would a reporter ask about that? Prompted by Gutierrez, Jacob's uncle used his air time to express contempt for Rittenhouse, and the hope that Rittenhouse gets the murder conviction and jail time that he deserves.

    So whatever problem may have arisen at NBC, this morning showed that it has been resolved.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Rooster111

    The MSM has done more harm to this country than any foreign terrorist could ever do.

    • Agree: Kylie
  151. @Jonathan Mason
    Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his "job" was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from "dyslexia" (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Jack D, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @RobinG, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Paul Mendez, @Hibernian, @Twinkie, @Paperback Writer, @danand

    It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    Who are you kidding?

    https://www.laattorney.com/using-a-skateboard-as-a-weapon.html

    ‘Using your skateboard as a weapon’

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Mason likes to blather about things he knows nothing about. Antifa and their ilk are trained to go into "protests" with seemingly harmless objects that can be used as weapons--frozen water bottles, cans of food, etc. And any skateboard crew will tell you that their boards make excellent weapons. I am absolutely sure that that wasn't the first time that scumbag swung his board at someone's head. Happily, it was the last.

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    https://twitter.com/DataIsBACK1/status/1459138180905590798

  152. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jonathan Mason


    I am not sure that you still have a right to self-defense after you have killed the first unarmed person.
     
    Since you’re not sure, I’ll educate you: You are allowed to shoot as many people attacking you, armed or unarmed, as you want until the attacks stop. In some states you may be legally required to attempt to flee the danger if possible, in other states you may stand your ground. There is no legal upper limit to the number of attackers who may be culled.

    After that anybody who tries to disarm you is acting in self-defense.
     
    Wrong: They are still classified as active attackers and are legally subject to immediate termination. The exception would be police intervening and locking down the scene.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Alden

    You are allowed to shoot as many people attacking you, armed or unarmed, as you want until the attacks stop.

    To use a bit of Andrew Branca’s framework, Proportionality is a critical factor I think you assumed, these must be attacks of lethal force.

    In some states you may be legally required to attempt to flee the danger if possible, in other states you may stand your ground.

    Wisconsin happens to be a “Stand Your Ground” state, but it’s irrelevant in this case because Rosenbaum per forensic evidence most certainly executed his ambush well, closed to contact distance and Rittenhouse fired after he got his hand on the muzzle.

    After that anybody who tries to disarm you is acting in self-defense.

    Since they are furthering Rosenbaum’s attempt to murder Rittenhouse. They thought the above fact pattern was reversed? Sucks to be them, and it’s not at all clear that fact pattern would have given them a hunting license. Especially since, you know, Rittenhouse was moving to the police line, fat lot of good that did him (they refused to accept his surrender, then again they didn’t freak out with him you know having a rifle he’d by his own admission just used, maybe they even saw it go down??? Of course the sorts of people with guns they have to worry about are not ones like him).

    And getting back to the irrelevance of Stand Your Ground, the mob felled Rittenhouse, Huber with a strike to the neck with his dual-use skateboard, and someone hit him in the head with concrete they were holding. At the point he was on the ground he physically could not retreat. And:

    Wrong: They are still classified as active attackers and are legally subject to immediate termination.

    Presenting the threat of lethal force to Rittenhouse, he was allowed to reply in kind. And not, for example, shoot Grosskreutz again once he realized he’d all but literally disarmed him. After wasting Huber, which Grosskreutz justified on the stand, and very bloodily destroying Grosskreutz’s bicep, just pointing the rifle at the other would be attackers had the desired deterrent effect, he didn’t need to shoot again.

    That fact pattern of not shooting after he didn’t need to is one of the things that helps Rittenhouse’s claim of self-defense, assuming the law will have any bearing on the verdict.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @That Would Be Telling


    To use a bit of Andrew Branca’s framework, Proportionality is a critical factor I think you assumed, these must be attacks of lethal force.

     

    Not quite for civilians. Police departments have various ‘escalation’ policies because the job requires it. “Proportionality” doesn’t factor if outnumbered, or if a single attacker is similar in strength to you and is closing the distance between you and him. Even a ‘weaker’ attacker can kill you with the hidden knife you assumed he didn’t have. Of course, this doesn’t mean one can light up a friendly dog or little kid throwing snowballs, we’re talking real threats, i.e. aggressive adult(s) unknown to the person being attacked.

    In a case where a person in obvious possession of a deadly weapon is attacked by others, it must be assumed the attackers mean to do that person harm or at least dispossess that person of the their weapon, and thus are willing to comment serious violence against that person, and are thus legally subject to termination if they had no right to attack that person.

    If you only respond to, rather than prevent “attacks of lethal force” on yourself, you may likely end up killed.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @That Would Be Telling


    And getting back to the irrelevance of Stand Your Ground, the mob felled Rittenhouse,

     

    I thought he tripped.

    (In the process of running from a bloodthirsty mob.)

  153. @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Alarmist

    I've never heard of The Good Fight, Alarmist, but I'm still surprised to read that they'd be that blatant in inserting the Establishment narrative of a current political event into their show.

    As for Dirty Harry and Death Wish, we're not going to see any of that realism* coming out of anything but the dark side of the internet. When I get movies from the library, I always have to get 3 or 4, as I never which ones I'll have to stop at 5 or 10 minutes in ... "this isn't gonna work ..." Hey, at least they're "free".


    .

    * Even Death Wish (first one, the original), had the murderers/rapists as white guy.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Ragno

    All current shows are like that but The Good Fight is explicitly that, it was started to be nothing but that. As far as I know, its first ad was a fantasy about punching a “Nazi” for wearing a red baseball hat, verbally justified by a black trial lawyer. Considering the people who think Law and Order is real that could constitute an effort to create the general impression that assault is legal. The same college graduate geniuses who think that Rittenhouse shot black people think that the only rioting in the country was from the Lincoln Project.

  154. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    I am not sure that you still have a right to self-defense after you have killed the first unarmed person. After that anybody who tries to disarm you is acting in self-defense.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Jack D, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @That Would Be Telling, @TWS, @Colin Wright

    What the hell did you do in prison? Laundry? Kitchen? Did you somehow avoid talking to jailhouse lawyers? Since you are from a country that does not allow self defense why bother opining before you educate yourself?

  155. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Jonathan Mason


    It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.
     
    Who are you kidding?

    https://www.laattorney.com/using-a-skateboard-as-a-weapon.html

    'Using your skateboard as a weapon'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdr-O81MEOk

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Joe Stalin

    Mason likes to blather about things he knows nothing about. Antifa and their ilk are trained to go into “protests” with seemingly harmless objects that can be used as weapons–frozen water bottles, cans of food, etc. And any skateboard crew will tell you that their boards make excellent weapons. I am absolutely sure that that wasn’t the first time that scumbag swung his board at someone’s head. Happily, it was the last.

  156. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    Back in the day, some branch of the military would have taken him as long as he had a pulse.

    The prosecutor should dismiss on the condition that he joined up. That's how it was done with juveniles back in the day. You're right that the military would do him some good and I think he would make a good soldier. A win-win for society.

    All this stuff about his background is irrelevant foolishness that the jury will rightfully never hear. The judge is a wise and experienced judge and he has made it clear that this trial is about the less than 3 minute period in which all of the major crimes he is accused of took place. Not whether he wore a MAGA hat the week after or whether he was from a broken home. (Anyway, when blacks are from broken homes, that is supposed to mean we treat them MORE leniently - somehow being from a broken home counts AGAINST you if you are white - double standards much)?

    In that 3 minute period, a man that had previously verbally threatened to kill him tried to grab his gun (and Rittenhouse had every reason to believe he would have killed him if he had taken control of it - Rosenberg was unarmed when he was shot but he would have been armed a few seconds later.) And then a man with a skateboard tried to beat him to death, so he shot him too. And then a man with a gun pointed it at him, so he shot him also. Rittenhouse has (I believe) a valid self defense claim with respect to all 3 of these men. I don't know enough about the case to say whether any of the other charges will stick but as to the 3 major crimes he is not guilty.

    Imagine that Rittenhouse was black and his attackers wore Proud Boys shirts, but otherwise all the same facts. Rittenhouse would be a hero of the Left.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Johann Ricke, @Negrolphin Pool, @David In TN, @John Johnson, @Paperback Writer

    “Imagine if Rittenhouse was black and his attackers wore Proud Boys shirts”

    I would conclude black Rittenhouse was a Fed operative involved in a phony racial attack to trigger another media sensation because the Proud Boys is a fraud.

  157. @Reg Cæsar
    @Shouting Thomas


    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.
     
    In other words, just like the righty kids on Unz.com.

    If you're going to blame "boomers" for anything, it's poor cultural stewardship. Everyone that has come after them is ignorant and immature.

    Replies: @Getaclue, @John Johnson, @Cato

    In other words, just like the righty kids on Unz.com.

    If you’re going to blame “boomers” for anything, it’s poor cultural stewardship. Everyone that has come after them is ignorant and immature.

    Well boomer conservatives are at retirement age and most still think that church ‘n tax cuts will somehow fix everything. Not sure how anyone can reach that age without accepting the reality of race and that Fox News/Con Inc/libertarian theory is all just BS.

    Also not seeing the logic when boomers themselves were raised in the church and yet still chose to drop acid and run around naked as a response to reality.

    What plagues the West is race and gender denial. Half the protestant churches are on board with Social Justice and teach children that Wakanda would exist in Africa if not for godless racist Whites. Those same kids later go to college and are taught that the Bible is fiction but Wakanda should in fact exist cause The Science says so. Everyone in Western society agrees that Whitey is the problem. The debate is over which group of Whites are to blame.

  158. @Reg Cæsar
    @anonymous coward



    Judeo/Christian
     
    What the 🫂 is that and why did you use this God-awful word?
     
    I have never met a Christian, of any stripe, who didn't accept, if not embrace the Old Testament.

    Christian = 20-century tradition
    Judeo-Christian = 60-century tradition

    Yes, Jews use the term in a more contemporary sense versus the historical sense used by Christians. They seek allies while we seek more time.

    The old joke is that Britons think 200 miles is a long way, while/whilst Americans think 200 years is a long time. Different perspectives.

    Replies: @Jack D, @John Johnson, @Roger

    I have never met a Christian, of any stripe, who didn’t accept, if not embrace the Old Testament.

    It’s pick and choose.

    They will preach against pre-marital sex using the Old Testament and then hit the shrimp buffet after service.

    Cause that’s different.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @John Johnson


    I have never met a Christian, of any stripe, who didn’t accept, if not embrace the Old Testament.
     
    Nonsense. Most Christians regard the Old Testament as an embarrassment.

    However it provides an interesting insight into the way of thinking of ancient peoples, for example story of the Tower of Babel as an explanation for the existence of many languages, the creation story, Noah's ark etc., and has many colorful characters.

    The 10 commandments are similar to the legal basis of a number of religions, about the only ones that actively survive in US law are the injunctions not to kill and steal, and even thou shalt not steal is looking wobbly.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  159. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    Back in the day, some branch of the military would have taken him as long as he had a pulse.

    The prosecutor should dismiss on the condition that he joined up. That's how it was done with juveniles back in the day. You're right that the military would do him some good and I think he would make a good soldier. A win-win for society.

    All this stuff about his background is irrelevant foolishness that the jury will rightfully never hear. The judge is a wise and experienced judge and he has made it clear that this trial is about the less than 3 minute period in which all of the major crimes he is accused of took place. Not whether he wore a MAGA hat the week after or whether he was from a broken home. (Anyway, when blacks are from broken homes, that is supposed to mean we treat them MORE leniently - somehow being from a broken home counts AGAINST you if you are white - double standards much)?

    In that 3 minute period, a man that had previously verbally threatened to kill him tried to grab his gun (and Rittenhouse had every reason to believe he would have killed him if he had taken control of it - Rosenberg was unarmed when he was shot but he would have been armed a few seconds later.) And then a man with a skateboard tried to beat him to death, so he shot him too. And then a man with a gun pointed it at him, so he shot him also. Rittenhouse has (I believe) a valid self defense claim with respect to all 3 of these men. I don't know enough about the case to say whether any of the other charges will stick but as to the 3 major crimes he is not guilty.

    Imagine that Rittenhouse was black and his attackers wore Proud Boys shirts, but otherwise all the same facts. Rittenhouse would be a hero of the Left.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Johann Ricke, @Negrolphin Pool, @David In TN, @John Johnson, @Paperback Writer

    (Anyway, when blacks are from broken homes, that is supposed to mean we treat them MORE leniently – somehow being from a broken home counts AGAINST you if you are white – double standards much)?

    This is a kind of white privilege – the privilege to have the book, and perhaps the entire library, thrown at you if you’re white, and accused of a crime.

  160. @anon
    Fox News has mentioned the dead and wounded victims were convicted child molestors or domestic abusers. But most of the public is in the dark.

    But the AP hints at it and almost spills the beans:

    MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — An effort by prosecutors at Kyle Rittenhouse’s murder trial to portray one of the men he shot as a hero never got off the ground Friday — and one legal expert said they were probably fortunate it didn’t.

    Rittenhouse, 18, is on trial on several counts including homicide in the August 2020 shootings during street unrest in Kenosha. Among the dead was Anthony Huber, a 26-year-old protester who was seen on bystander video hitting Rittenhouse with a skateboard before he was fatally shot.

    Huber’s great-aunt, Susan Hughes, was testifying about Huber in a matter-of-fact manner, talking about their relationship, how he ended up at the protest and how he always carried a skateboard.

    Then prosecutor James Kraus posed a question: “We’ve seen video here, and you may have seen video as well, that Anthony Huber ran towards Kyle Rittenhouse while Kyle Rittenhouse was armed. Were you surprised, when you heard about that? Were you surprised by his actions?”

    As defense attorney Corey Chirafisi swiftly objected, Kraus posed another: “Had you ever seen Anthony Huber run towards danger?”

    Hughes said, “Yes,” before Chirafisi objected again and testimony was stopped.

    Without the jurors present, Chirafisi argued that if prosecutors were allowed to present evidence that characterizes Huber as a peaceful man, then the defense would be allowed to bring up evidence from Huber’s past that could paint a different picture.

    That included criminal cases involving alleged violence Huber committed against his own family members, with the defense reciting in courtroom a detailed account of those allegations.

    “I would normally not move to admit those,” Chirafisi said. “However, if they’re saying that this is a peaceful man... .”

    Judge Bruce Schroeder agreed, and Kraus withdrew the line of questioning, effectively ending Hughes’ testimony.

     

    Whereas Fox News gets right at it:

    A convicted child rapist called Joseph Rosenbaum was released from a mental hospital, then went directly to join the mob that was burning downtown Kenosha. Once he got to the riot, Rosenbaum saw Kyle Rittenhouse and immediately threatened to kill him.

     

    So, yes ... depending on your News Source, it is two different trials.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Expletive Deleted

    Those are Tucker’s words. A child rapist “called” is the tell.

  161. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason


    showing up at political demonstrations with loaded weapons
     
    https://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Kenosha-Riot-e1598280622185.jpg

    https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/08/NINTCHDBPICT000603927483.jpg?w=1440

    https://religionnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/webRNS-Bradford-UU3-082720.jpg

    Replies: @John Johnson

    If only the unitarian church burned then nothing of value would be lost.

    I can be critical of Christianity but the alternatives are much worse. I really do admire the Russian Orthodox church and mostly get annoyed with American protestant churches that have bought into liberalism. They wrap White guilt into the idea of original sin.

    But unitarians take being White to another level of self-loathing. They easily beat secular Whites when it comes to apologizing for existing. Christianity has forgiveness even for blood guilt while unitarians have replaced the devil with Whites.

    Unitarians should just make a formal apology for being White and then blow their brains out. Their non-binary ambiguous spirit goddess will be pleased.

  162. @The Alarmist
    I’d love to see what they come up with as the heros of the 2022 remakes of Dirty Harry and Death Wish.

    More4 aired an episode of The Good Fight last night, in which one of the lead characters (Diane) wrestled with turning one of her husband’s acquaintances to the FBI after determining the acquaintence was at the Capitol on 6 January. Her choice to drop the dime was made simple by her views that “those people” were at the Capitol with the intent to kill Pelosi et al.

    So the scripts for our hypothetical characters in the remakes of Dirty Harry and Death Wish are probably being pitched as I type, with Rittenhouse being the punk lying on the ground while a pistol-packing, trans-identifying creature going commando in a skirt stands over him asking him if he feels lucky.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Achmed E. Newman, @SunBakedSuburb, @Sebastian Hawks, @Corvinus

    “Dirty Harry”

    Revisted this film a few days past. Maintains its power and vitality. That combination of ascending star Eastwood and mid-career Siegel offering catharsis to an audience deep into the early 70s Aquarian descent into squalor and decay. Conditions call for a film with a similar theme and energy. Good luck finding funding if a black goddess, gay, or heshe is not involved. Hollywood, like a lot corporate America, is on a suicide trip.

  163. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    Back in the day, some branch of the military would have taken him as long as he had a pulse.

    The prosecutor should dismiss on the condition that he joined up. That's how it was done with juveniles back in the day. You're right that the military would do him some good and I think he would make a good soldier. A win-win for society.

    All this stuff about his background is irrelevant foolishness that the jury will rightfully never hear. The judge is a wise and experienced judge and he has made it clear that this trial is about the less than 3 minute period in which all of the major crimes he is accused of took place. Not whether he wore a MAGA hat the week after or whether he was from a broken home. (Anyway, when blacks are from broken homes, that is supposed to mean we treat them MORE leniently - somehow being from a broken home counts AGAINST you if you are white - double standards much)?

    In that 3 minute period, a man that had previously verbally threatened to kill him tried to grab his gun (and Rittenhouse had every reason to believe he would have killed him if he had taken control of it - Rosenberg was unarmed when he was shot but he would have been armed a few seconds later.) And then a man with a skateboard tried to beat him to death, so he shot him too. And then a man with a gun pointed it at him, so he shot him also. Rittenhouse has (I believe) a valid self defense claim with respect to all 3 of these men. I don't know enough about the case to say whether any of the other charges will stick but as to the 3 major crimes he is not guilty.

    Imagine that Rittenhouse was black and his attackers wore Proud Boys shirts, but otherwise all the same facts. Rittenhouse would be a hero of the Left.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Johann Ricke, @Negrolphin Pool, @David In TN, @John Johnson, @Paperback Writer

    The plain language of the minor in possession of gun charge, charged in adult court as being a minor, means that he cannot be convicted due to an exemption for 17 year olds using long-barreled guns.

    The prosecution is clairvoyantly arguing that the legislators actually meant and when they wrote or, and the jury should therefore ignore what the law says, read the worst possible interpretation for the criminal defendant into their extratextual theory and convict KR.

    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
    @Negrolphin Pool

    *that should be "actually meant 'or' when they wrote 'and'."

    , @Jack D
    @Negrolphin Pool

    Apparently the prosecution (a pretty sad bunch, thank god, and they got a judge who is a stickler for stuff like proving your case) forget to introduce evidence as to the length of the gun so the gun charge is going to get tossed probably.

    More troubling is the introduction (now that the prosecution sees that 1st degree is out the window) of lesser charges. It's always tempting for a divided jury to get to go home by agreeing to a compromise verdict, but they don't know that a lesser charge might mean 30 years instead of life - not much of a compromise.

  164. @Slim
    I'm in awe of Kyle's ability to shoot calmly in that situation. I've used firearms all my life but I doubt I could dispatch three miscreants attacking me as efficiently as he did. Also, he ended the riot as it turned out. Heroic stuff.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @Jack Kennedy, @Alden

    I’ve wondered where he learned to shoot like that. He might be like Annie Oakley and some magical snipers. Just natural born eyesight eye hand coordination natural coordination. Plus a massive dose of testosterone, adrenaline and other hormones at the right time right place . I doubt he ever took entry level ballet; something very very useful for coordination.
    He’s just a natural born ultra ultra shooter. And he’s a 17 year old real man.

    The jr lifeguard jr volunteer fireman police explorer training must have helped. My opinion it’s natural inborn talent

  165. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jonathan Mason


    I am not sure that you still have a right to self-defense after you have killed the first unarmed person.
     
    Since you’re not sure, I’ll educate you: You are allowed to shoot as many people attacking you, armed or unarmed, as you want until the attacks stop. In some states you may be legally required to attempt to flee the danger if possible, in other states you may stand your ground. There is no legal upper limit to the number of attackers who may be culled.

    After that anybody who tries to disarm you is acting in self-defense.
     
    Wrong: They are still classified as active attackers and are legally subject to immediate termination. The exception would be police intervening and locking down the scene.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Alden

    From what state Penal code are you referring? Federal law specific laws of the state in which the shooting occurred even City and county ordinances all apply.

    George Zimmerman . Should never have been born Martin was sitting on his chest, holding his ears and pounding Zimmerman’s head into the ground. Still charged with murder by a White looking but 1/8 black DA after pressure firm the federal department of justice and every scumbag black activist in America.

    1,000 year old common law, the LOL constitution. Federal and state Penal codes. The law is nothing if the accused is White and the anti White liberals communists Jews blacks Hispanics and Asians are out to convict the White.

  166. @Ganderson
    “…due to their high verbal skills and often a high level of success in schooling…”

    Schooling is the correct word- rather than education.

    This is an important point- I doubt, Dave, there are many unintelligent people with degrees in, say, Physics, but there are tons of 4.0s in the softer disciplines, who are, not to put too fine a point on it, not all that bright, and who look with utter contempt on the science majors, or people who do what I’d call useful work. I live in a college town, and that attitude of sneering condescension toward the “lower orders” is pervasive. (Don’t get me started on the disdain the women’s studies types have for stay at home moms)

    I should point out here, that I fit the description of overeducated boob- both my grandfathers, one a Swedish immigrant brass caster, the other a Wabasha County, MN watermelon farmer, would be disgusted by my lack of practical knowledge, and my inability to do anything with my hands. Putting together IKEA furniture tests the limits of my mechanical abilities.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @John Johnson, @Buffalo Joe, @Reg Cæsar, @Bumpkin

    Gandy, where have you been? Nice comment and it is always nice to point out our own flaws when so many point out the flaws of others. Stay safe.

  167. @Scott in PA
    There have been many iterations of this “good guy/bad guy” (really “right guy/wrong guy”) model throughout American history, where the ruling elites are virtually unanimous is taking the side of the “bad guy” or “wrong guy”.

    The Chambers/Hiss case is a prominent early example.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    There have been many iterations of this “good guy/bad guy” (really “right guy/wrong guy”) model throughout American history, where the ruling elites are virtually unanimous is taking the side of the “bad guy” or “wrong guy”.

    The Chambers/Hiss case is a prominent early example.

    The ruling elites convicted Hiss.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Not Raul


    The ruling elites convicted Hiss.
     
    Not as such, he was nailed on a purgery charge, not treason which they had eliminated as a real crime to save Ezra Pound. Their all in defense of him, and palpable unwillingness to bring him to justice helped set the stage for McCarthy. It was obvious party politics and class distinctions were to them much more important than "national security." Or more like they were consistently on the side of the Communists including the USSR, something they increasingly failed to hide from the rest of the country.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @nebulafox

  168. @SimpleSong
    @Jonathan Mason

    > So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    This makes him more of a hero. Some people get dealt a bad hand and they become child molesters. Some people strive to show they are better than their roots.

    > Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family

    And yet he managed to contribute more to his civilization by age 17 than the average Harvard grad will in a lifetime.

    Seriously, the real test is coming up: whether after the smoke clears we quietly support people who stuck their necks out or we forget about them.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Alden

    Exactly a real working class hero. And being a jr lifeguard, EMT, jr volunteer fireman and the police explorer program from the age of 15 are not what low class White trash boys do. And Jonathan Mason is an Arab who couldn’t make it at home and lives either Florida in America or Ecuador depending on what tale he’s telling

    Raised by one of the single moms the MEN OF UNZ hate and loathe so much. But never any mention of the disappearing dads by the MEN OF UNZ.

    His shooting!!! Where and how did he learn. He’s the kind of boy who sailed to Jamestown all by himself and in Magellan’s and Columbus’ ships. On a lower level, husband’s gr gr gr grandfather who got his 15 year old self and 13 year old sister from Boston to San Francisco in 1846 and arrived with a sting of stolen horses to sell.

    Jonathan Mason is like a lot of foreigners who post on this site. Scorn scorn scorn for America and White people. Remember that Dutchman whose every post was “ medical care is only for those who have 200K liquid cash to pay the bill?

  169. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    Back in the day, some branch of the military would have taken him as long as he had a pulse.

    The prosecutor should dismiss on the condition that he joined up. That's how it was done with juveniles back in the day. You're right that the military would do him some good and I think he would make a good soldier. A win-win for society.

    All this stuff about his background is irrelevant foolishness that the jury will rightfully never hear. The judge is a wise and experienced judge and he has made it clear that this trial is about the less than 3 minute period in which all of the major crimes he is accused of took place. Not whether he wore a MAGA hat the week after or whether he was from a broken home. (Anyway, when blacks are from broken homes, that is supposed to mean we treat them MORE leniently - somehow being from a broken home counts AGAINST you if you are white - double standards much)?

    In that 3 minute period, a man that had previously verbally threatened to kill him tried to grab his gun (and Rittenhouse had every reason to believe he would have killed him if he had taken control of it - Rosenberg was unarmed when he was shot but he would have been armed a few seconds later.) And then a man with a skateboard tried to beat him to death, so he shot him too. And then a man with a gun pointed it at him, so he shot him also. Rittenhouse has (I believe) a valid self defense claim with respect to all 3 of these men. I don't know enough about the case to say whether any of the other charges will stick but as to the 3 major crimes he is not guilty.

    Imagine that Rittenhouse was black and his attackers wore Proud Boys shirts, but otherwise all the same facts. Rittenhouse would be a hero of the Left.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Johann Ricke, @Negrolphin Pool, @David In TN, @John Johnson, @Paperback Writer

    “Imagine that Rittenhouse was black and his attackers wore Proud Boys shirts, but otherwise all the same facts. Rittenhouse would be a hero of the Left.”

    The Left is playing the “If the races were reversed trope.”

    Jeffrey “I Had Never Hear of the Zebra Murders” Toobin said something like “If Rittenhouse was a 17-year old black kid the Right wouldn’t be supporting him.”

    As usual Toobin is wrong. If a 17-yeat old black had gone to a riot as antifa, he could have shot three white people in any type confrontation without being charged.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
  170. @Sandy Berger's Socks
    The Rittenhouse affair is more basic than right vs. left.

    It is/was good vs. evil. Writ large.

    Godless freaks/corrupt media/ evil legal system vs. a genuinely good kid.

    May take a miracle and an Ar-15, but it is inspiring to see that sometimes good can still prevail.

    Replies: @Ragno

    The Rittenhouse affair is more basic than right vs. left.

    It is good vs. evil. Writ large.

    100% accurate.

    And based on the open loathing for this brave and selfless kid among our bottom-feeding Golden Elites, eager to be seen calling for his head, a second obvious truth emerges:

    The Blue Checkmark is incontestably the 21st century Mark of the Beast. None who bear it shall be spared…. nor should they. Let no hand be raised to defend them.

    • Agree: 3g4me
  171. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:

    But the antifa were bad guys in this case. One of them was a convicted child abuser. I’m afraid Steve has trouble with concepts of good and evil. That’s why he preferred Nixon over Reagan. That’s why he can’t ever bring himself to be on the side of his own people.

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @Anonymous

    @170 Anonymous[156]: I'm out of 'agree' buttons, but spot on. Sailer somehow thinks being 'on the fence' or always trying to empathize with every angle of every situation makes him morally superior, rather than morally ambiguous.

  172. @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Premeditation to get attacked?
     
    Suppose, for example (because he did in fact do this) he had said that "I'm bringing a gun to this "peaceful demonstration" and if I see anyone burning or looting stuff I am going to shoot them."

    And then he shot some arsonists. That would be pre-meditation.

    But in fact he shot people who were attacking him, not looters. As you say, planning to defend yourself against lethal force is not pre-meditation , it is a wise precaution.

    Apparently it was not effective against a rifle used defensively.
     
    Should have used a BULLETPROOF skate board. Antifa are instructed to carry such dual use objects so that they can preserve deniability - oh, this is just my skateboard. Of course if you are filmed using it to strike people, it becomes a lethal weapon, not a skateboard.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Ben tillman

    Excellent comment, Jack.

  173. @Jonathan Mason
    Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his "job" was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from "dyslexia" (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Jack D, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @RobinG, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Paul Mendez, @Hibernian, @Twinkie, @Paperback Writer, @danand

    It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    Actually, skateboards are a common antifa weapon. So are bike locks, frozen water bottles and other seemingly innocuous items.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Paul Mendez

    I bet Rittenhouse now wishes that he had come with a skateboard!

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  174. @JimDandy
    @Verymuchalive

    The Left's characterization of Kyle as a "Bad Guy" isn't really "dumb" so much as despotic and revolutionary. Kyle interfered with an orchestrated attack on Donald Trump, and for that he must die.

    As for Tulsi, she doesn't have much of a future in politics, alas. Doesn't play ball with the Zionists.

    Replies: @J1234, @Art Deco

    Doesn’t play ball with the Zionists.

    Your obsessions are yours, not those of normal people.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Art Deco

    Thanks for drawing attention to this issue, hasbara. Let's go!

    Speaking of obsessions:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS-sxJFn6O0

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    Your obsessions are yours, not those of normal people.
     
    Who says they are obsessions, rather than just observations? You? You are not a normal person.

    Can't somebody even mention the word "zionist" without you shaking your chain? Or is somebody jerking your chain for you?

    Replies: @Verymuchalive, @Art Deco

  175. @Negrolphin Pool
    @PhysicistDave


    Leftists tend to be both highly successful by some of the standards of modern society (schooling and credentials) and also abysmal failures (in terms of their inability to deal with unfiltered, unmediated physical reality).
     
    This is quite similar to what Ted Kaczynski asserts in Industrial Society and Its Future, namely that there is an increasing proportion of those who cannot engage in the deepest human drive: the process of autonomously exercising meaningful power over one's domain.

    Kaczynski argues that there are simply too many people who can easily survive by going through the nature-detached daily motions of modern life but who can never experience anything like the boundless autonomy that ancestral man knew through personal mastery of his natural world, fishing, hunting, constructing a shelter with his own hands. These are the conditions in which we evolved for millennia and for which we are optimized. The further technology-driven modernity strays from that paradigm, the more we see a panoply of maladaptive behaviors (leftism).

    A complimentary explanation is offered by Edward Dutton. He posits that the industrial revolution was so effective at eliminating Darwinian selection pressures that we have slowly been overrun with spiteful mutants, people whose minds suffer from high mutational load and consequently whose behaviors are so maladaptive that they threaten even the fit.

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @Tony massey

    Ted was really good at maffs but i doubt he gave much consideration to something like the P2P method. Unlikely he even knew what meth was much less ice or the shake n bake. Iodine method was the way togo their for awhile. Ted prolly only cooked beans.
    None of those things Ted could have known would have ever given him the idea of the P2P method.
    P2P is, if you don’t think it’s possible you’re uninformed, by far worse than anything thus.
    Theirs entire rural counties in the great state of Tennessee that are ruled by the kornbread mafia via the messcan cartels pumping these places full of it.
    Same in Wi.
    Same everywhere.
    Much of the mayhem that was witnessed this past time that was fueled by a certain type of person and those persons were chock full of P2P.
    Check out those mugshots that whatshisname posts.
    Try to guess which ones you think are under the influence of P2P.
    P2P was driving much of it.

    Forgot to say…what per cent of joggers does your community need before you sell? I’d say only a 1/3 as much of completely psychotic are necessary and use is pretty high.
    Not sure the exact numbers.
    Ask your sheriff’s dept if P2P is in your county.

    • Replies: @Tony massey
    @Tony massey

    it was a drug most responsible for kicking off the great racial awakening. I call it that cuz iSteve says that so I'm trying to get it attributed to you dude.
    Also...st George was under the influence of P2P.
    Not even iSteve knows about P2P or its portents for your future.
    And how he could he ALWAYS plucking at the crooked timber lodged in the eye of humanity(👌 mostly blacks mostly).
    ISteve heal thyself.

  176. Like others have pointed out Steve, you are a nice, terrific guy. I’m proud you’re my countryman and I bet you’d make a great neighbor. But the Left is completely off its rocker at this point. Even a free-spirited gal like Krysten Sinema and a sweet, patriotic flower child like Tulsi Gabbard are appalled at them and of course, the Left wants them tortured to death.

    Leftism is a mental illness. Remember Portland’s “Autonomous Zone?” They were trying to grow a vegetable garden without tools in potting soil dumped on cardboard. They’re pathological children who exist at the sufferance of civilization–to which they add nothing. The three human wrecks that Kyle Rittenhouse out-fought were bipolar freaks. Or how about Rand Paul’s unhinged neighbor? Look at Jim Carey’s twisted paintings, Shia LaBouef’s bizarre behavior, Kathy Griffin’s demonic pose. These are not well people.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "The three human wrecks that Kyle Rittenhouse out-fought were bipolar freaks. Or how about Rand Paul’s unhinged neighbor? Look at Jim Carey’s twisted paintings, Shia LaBouef’s bizarre behavior, Kathy Griffin’s demonic pose. These are not well people."

    The mark of a lawyer.

    1. Use extreme instances to designate them as being "the norm".

    2. Demonize anyone who is other than on their side ideologically as a mortal enemy who is "mentally ill".

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Negrolphin Pool

  177. @Paul Mendez
    @Jonathan Mason


    It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.
     
    Actually, skateboards are a common antifa weapon. So are bike locks, frozen water bottles and other seemingly innocuous items.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    I bet Rittenhouse now wishes that he had come with a skateboard!

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jonathan Mason

    Nah. He did just fine with the AR. Just wish he'd aimed a little more left with Grosskreutz.

    Replies: @RobinG, @Paul Mendez, @Corvinus

  178. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    Jewish thought had some influence on Christianity but I would say that Greek thought had just as much if not more. The Ancient Greeks (very little relation to the people who live in Greece today) were the intellectual and artistic giants of the ancient world. The Jews back then were just another Semitic tribe (originally with a multitude of gods) who sort of by accident decided to promote their chief god to the only God and this turned out to be a revolutionary idea. Other than that idea (and the Bible that goes with it) no one thought of the Jews in those times as having any sort of intellectual claims. Not even the Jews themselves, who took their calendar and writing system (and even bits and pieces of their theology) from other Near Eastern people who were more advanced such as the Babylonians and the Phoenicians. The Jews barely rate a mention in any of the ancient historic sources because they were so insignificant. Aside from Rabbinic thought which had limited impact in the West, Jews don't really make any further intellectual contributions until the 19th century and then they soar like rockets into the 20th.

    Pre-Marxist Western thought is perhaps best considered as Graeco-Judeo-Christian thought.

    Replies: @SimpleSong, @nebulafox

    The Islamic analogue to Greece and Rome is Persia. A surprising amount of Zoroastrianism pops up in what we think of as conventionally Islamic. The Abbasid caliphate replicated the Sassanid court as much as the Dark Ages Pope was de facto dux of Rome.

    >The Jews barely rate a mention in any of the ancient historic sources because they were so insignificant.

    I wouldn’t go that far. Later Republican Roman history was clearly aware of Jews and talks about their strange ways at length with a mixture of contempt and respect. (“Wow, they actually take their piety SERIOUSLY?”) The Romans were never a philosophical bunch, unlike the Greeks, so they didn’t think much of the underlying implications at first, before there was a cult to the emperor.

    There was a diaspora across the Mediterranean by the turn of the millennium, including in Rome itself, and the Hellenized version of the religion that dominated among the diaspora was winning converts who were attracted to various aspects of the faith. However, there was always a strong tension between them and the Palestinian “rednecks” or “non-traitor”, depending on your POV, Jews back home, and that came to a head.

    The big turning point was the Flavian sack of Jerusalem, both in terms of Christianity diverging into its own thing and for the prospect of conversion of Gentiles. John’s Jesus’ prophecy on his way to Golgotha is a clear allusion to what will happen to the city 35 years later. In the pre-modern world, where it was taken for granted by virtually all people around the globe that the divine played a direct role in who succeeded and who failed, the sack set tongues wagging as to who was at fault, and the Hellenized community lost out.

    • Replies: @Paul Mendez
    @nebulafox


    …there was always a strong tension between them and the Palestinian “rednecks” or “non-traitor”, depending on your POV, Jews back home, and that came to a head
     
    .

    This year, I’ve been telling my Jewish friends that Hanukkah and January 6 have a lot in common.
    , @Alden
    @nebulafox

    At least the commandments are simple reasonable and applicable to everyone.
    English Common Law is the ancient law of the primitive wandering nomad tribes like Attila the Hun Genghis Khan tribes and Viking pirates when they finally settled down.

    It was judge made law, the worst kind of law in the world. Because a judge can just make up the law and doesn’t have to do a thing to enforce it.

    Laws made by kings and dictators are much much better than judge made laws because the kings and dictators have to enforce those laws.

    English Common Law was created by the biggest baddest bully in the village or war party etc. and when the biggest baddest bully was away from home slaughtering and pillaging another village his wife ( ok) or children, not even teens (not ok) acted as judge for him. And the biggest baddest bullies made the laws to suit them and them only.

    Common Law doesn’t mean it benefitted the common people. Nor did it benefit the Common good. English Common Law was made by the primitive nomadic Attila the Hun type warlords who managed to kill their way to the top of their little territory

    I suggest you read a little about some of the very worst judge made. Or Anglo Saxon English Common Law laws the American Supreme Court has ever made

    Louisiana Slaughter Houses 1870s . Brown vs Topeka 1951 Griggs vs Duke Power 1971 Kaiser vs Weber 1979. And absolutely most important the infamous evil satanic Marbury vs Madison 1808. Brown, Griggs and Kaiser laws, created out of vicious hatred of American Whites were each made by 9 judges in the old what you call English Common Law tradition the muh constitution American patriot conservatives admire so much. Conservatives with no legal knowledge whatsoever.

    Brown Griggs and Kaiser were All judge made up laws created out of nothing in the old warlord English Anglo Saxon Common Law tradition conservatives admire so much. Brown Griggs and Kaiser were designed to exterminate American Whites.

    The continental system was originally laws made by the kings dukes counts of the territory always after consulting advisors . And definitely considering how the laws would be enforced And who the new law would benefit and who it wouldn’t benefit

    Do you honestly think that every elected state legislature in the country would vote for; and
    every elected state governor would sign laws

    1 that desegregated the schools,
    2school bussing
    3 send rampaging black savages to White parts of town
    4destroy our cities and inner suburbs
    5 spend billions and billions of dollars
    6 overwhelm state and local school administration offices with hundreds of thousands 4th grade reading level blacks with master’s and PHDs in LOL education
    7 and the truly satanic purpose of it all. Using encouraging aiding and abetting the black savages to terrorize abuse verbally assault beat injure rob rape and screech obscenities at millions of White kids from 8 am to school closing

    Do you how many White girls and women suffer from life long bladder infections because they couldn’t use school bathrooms for fear of suffering a serious beating from the savages?

    Vicious abuse of White children While the Anglo Saxon English Common Law Judges forbade and punished the schools from preventing the beatings and other abuses ?

    Good example of muh constitution conservatives the Kyle Rittenhouse house threads. Many of the muh constitution conservatives aren’t even aware that it’s State of Wisconsin Penal Code violations with which Kyle is charged. They keep meandering about the right to self defense. And their opinion of gun safety and use. . But don’t bother to read the Wisconsin codes Re; self defense

    Actually, England has never followed what American conservative patriot types who have never been involved in any legal proceeding and totally unfamiliar with the legal system think English Common Law is.

    It’s unclear what the primitive Welsh, Vikings and Saxons did. Mostly make up a Law and enforce it by killing those who objected

    English law arrived with William the Conquers grandson Henry 2. And it was first, royal decrees, not by parliament till mid 1600s. Before that parliament function wasn’t to make laws but to approve or not approve the King’s tax requests

    For other than royal tax requests and decrees . Laws were made by a combination County City and Village judges based on whatever they wanted to do. And elected mayors alderman and non elected officials. Such as the managers of the marketplace; laws or rules about safe food honest measurements basically consumer protection laws. Even those consumer regulations often grew out of the market place small claims court

    The American founders PRETENDED to establish a system of laws passed by the elected federal and state legislators and by elected county and city officials. But by 1808 the founders brought America right back to Anglo Saxon ( barf ) Judge made English Common Law that is extremely detrimental to the common people and for the common good That was their satanic Masonic intention all along

    Although I am an extreme White Nationalist and am so thankful our kids and grandchildren escaped the public schools I really think Louisiana Slaughter Houses case was the absolute worst crime ever committed by the 8 satanic supremes when they overturned a completely sensible public health and environmental law passed and signed by elected officials. A law made to save lives from the epidemics. Still reconstruction times. Probably some black representatives in the Louisiana legislature Good for them all White black KKK or scalawag traitor

    Read Marbury vs Madison, Louisiana Slaughter Houses Then Read Brown vs Topeka Griggs vs Duke Power and Kaiser vs Weber. All Anglo Saxon (barf) English Common Law Judge made laws. Think about the effects Brown Griggs and Kaiser have had in American Whites and will have on American Whites. Judge made law Brown was the 3rd state of genocide. Judge made lawsGriggs and Kaiser were the first stage of genocide. Judge made Anglo Saxon English Common Law.

    , @Jack D
    @nebulafox


    Later Republican Roman history was clearly aware of Jews and talks about their strange ways at length with a mixture of contempt and respect.
     
    I was talking about an earlier period, when the events of the Bible were supposedly happening. There is some historical confirmation for certain Biblical personages and events, but not many.

    The Romans had great respect for things that were old and they regarding Judaism as a "real" religion and venerable religion. To them Christianity was fake, the way people used to think about Mormonism or still think about Scientology. To the Roman way of thinking, you couldn't just make up your own religion.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @John Johnson, @Johann Ricke, @Expletive Deleted

  179. @Tony massey
    @Negrolphin Pool

    Ted was really good at maffs but i doubt he gave much consideration to something like the P2P method. Unlikely he even knew what meth was much less ice or the shake n bake. Iodine method was the way togo their for awhile. Ted prolly only cooked beans.
    None of those things Ted could have known would have ever given him the idea of the P2P method.
    P2P is, if you don't think it's possible you're uninformed, by far worse than anything thus.
    Theirs entire rural counties in the great state of Tennessee that are ruled by the kornbread mafia via the messcan cartels pumping these places full of it.
    Same in Wi.
    Same everywhere.
    Much of the mayhem that was witnessed this past time that was fueled by a certain type of person and those persons were chock full of P2P.
    Check out those mugshots that whatshisname posts.
    Try to guess which ones you think are under the influence of P2P.
    P2P was driving much of it.

    Forgot to say...what per cent of joggers does your community need before you sell? I'd say only a 1/3 as much of completely psychotic are necessary and use is pretty high.
    Not sure the exact numbers.
    Ask your sheriff's dept if P2P is in your county.

    Replies: @Tony massey

    it was a drug most responsible for kicking off the great racial awakening. I call it that cuz iSteve says that so I’m trying to get it attributed to you dude.
    Also…st George was under the influence of P2P.
    Not even iSteve knows about P2P or its portents for your future.
    And how he could he ALWAYS plucking at the crooked timber lodged in the eye of humanity(👌 mostly blacks mostly).
    ISteve heal thyself.

  180. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    Back in the day, some branch of the military would have taken him as long as he had a pulse.

    The prosecutor should dismiss on the condition that he joined up. That's how it was done with juveniles back in the day. You're right that the military would do him some good and I think he would make a good soldier. A win-win for society.

    All this stuff about his background is irrelevant foolishness that the jury will rightfully never hear. The judge is a wise and experienced judge and he has made it clear that this trial is about the less than 3 minute period in which all of the major crimes he is accused of took place. Not whether he wore a MAGA hat the week after or whether he was from a broken home. (Anyway, when blacks are from broken homes, that is supposed to mean we treat them MORE leniently - somehow being from a broken home counts AGAINST you if you are white - double standards much)?

    In that 3 minute period, a man that had previously verbally threatened to kill him tried to grab his gun (and Rittenhouse had every reason to believe he would have killed him if he had taken control of it - Rosenberg was unarmed when he was shot but he would have been armed a few seconds later.) And then a man with a skateboard tried to beat him to death, so he shot him too. And then a man with a gun pointed it at him, so he shot him also. Rittenhouse has (I believe) a valid self defense claim with respect to all 3 of these men. I don't know enough about the case to say whether any of the other charges will stick but as to the 3 major crimes he is not guilty.

    Imagine that Rittenhouse was black and his attackers wore Proud Boys shirts, but otherwise all the same facts. Rittenhouse would be a hero of the Left.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Johann Ricke, @Negrolphin Pool, @David In TN, @John Johnson, @Paperback Writer

    Imagine that Rittenhouse was black and his attackers wore Proud Boys shirts, but otherwise all the same facts. Rittenhouse would be a hero of the Left.

    This really sums up the true nature of the left.

    They are an anti-mainstream White alliance and don’t care at all about the law.

    If it was Darius Rittenhouse they would name a street after him.

    George Floyd has not one but two statues and he was a career criminal.

  181. @SimpleSong
    @Jack D

    It's probably most historically accurate to consider Christianity a Greek religion with a Jew as the central figure--the New Testament is entirely written in Greek originally (Koine Greek, I believe) and most of the activities of the early church were carried out by Greeks.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Matt Buckalew

    It wasn’t either/or, especially pre-Flavian sack. St. Paul was both a Jew educated in the Torah and an educated Roman citizen clearly familiar with the pagan classics: there’s even a quote of Menander somewhere in the NT, though I forget where. He lived in Rome at the same time Seneca. For all we know, they met… and they certainly died at the hands of the same man, Nero.

    I don’t think it is an accident that Stoicism and Christianity blend together nicely, in terms of metaphysics, at least.

    Also, weren’t there heretical movements in early Christianity that tried to ditch the OT altogether?

    • Thanks: Hibernian
    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    @nebulafox

    Yes, the Marcionite Church rejected what came to be known as the Old Testament, and along with it any connection with Judaism. Their Bible consisted of the Gospel of the Lord as revealed to Paul, and the Epistles of Paul. Those continuing this tradition contend that this was the original (and genuine) form of the Christian Bible, predating the later canonical formulation (whose status as canon, not to mention the books of which it was comprised, was rather hotly contested for some time). Later on, this Marcionite doctrinal/scriptural tradition was anathematized, along with other doctrinal traditions such as those of the Valentinians, and the Nestorians, among others.

    Here is a link to a website from contemporary believers of the Marcionite Church laying out some of their beliefs:

    https://www.marcionitechurch.org/

  182. Next week is gonna be tough for the left.

    Rittenhouse is gonna walk and the Supreme Court is going to rule against NYC’s gun laws regarding concealed carry.

    Joy Behar better have some ice cream stocked and extra batteries for her vibrator.

  183. @Art Deco
    @JimDandy

    Doesn’t play ball with the Zionists.

    Your obsessions are yours, not those of normal people.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Mr. Anon

    Thanks for drawing attention to this issue, hasbara. Let’s go!

    Speaking of obsessions:

    • Thanks: Richard B
  184. @Jonathan Mason
    @Paul Mendez

    I bet Rittenhouse now wishes that he had come with a skateboard!

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    Nah. He did just fine with the AR. Just wish he’d aimed a little more left with Grosskreutz.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    By any chance are you dyslexic? More to the left would have missed entirely.

    Also, the “Autonomous Zone?” was in Seattle.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    , @Paul Mendez
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    Just wish he’d aimed a little more left with Grosskreutz
     
    .

    I don’t know. I like the idea that every day, for the rest of his life, from when he tries to wipe his butt and tie his shoes in the morning until he tries to floss his teeth at night, he’ll be reminded what a jackass he is.
    , @Corvinus
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "Nah. He did just fine with the AR. Just wish he’d aimed a little more left with Grosskreutz."

    Ah yes, quaffing your mint julip as you desperately try to convince yourself that you could pull a Kyle in a pinch. Stick to chasing ambulances, that is your lot in life.

  185. @Ganderson
    “…due to their high verbal skills and often a high level of success in schooling…”

    Schooling is the correct word- rather than education.

    This is an important point- I doubt, Dave, there are many unintelligent people with degrees in, say, Physics, but there are tons of 4.0s in the softer disciplines, who are, not to put too fine a point on it, not all that bright, and who look with utter contempt on the science majors, or people who do what I’d call useful work. I live in a college town, and that attitude of sneering condescension toward the “lower orders” is pervasive. (Don’t get me started on the disdain the women’s studies types have for stay at home moms)

    I should point out here, that I fit the description of overeducated boob- both my grandfathers, one a Swedish immigrant brass caster, the other a Wabasha County, MN watermelon farmer, would be disgusted by my lack of practical knowledge, and my inability to do anything with my hands. Putting together IKEA furniture tests the limits of my mechanical abilities.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @John Johnson, @Buffalo Joe, @Reg Cæsar, @Bumpkin

    both my grandfathers, one a Swedish immigrant brass caster, the other a Wabasha County watermelon farmer

    Were either of them named Leroy? Or their wives Delores, with two Es? So white Leroys go for watermelon, too!

    I like to bite right in and chomp the seeds. Sadly, the ones at the store have been spayed.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @Reg Cæsar

    Edward James McDonough and Carl Lennart Andersson.

    The McDonough farm is still there, just off US 61 near Kellogg.

    E. J. married Aurora Ströbäck of Little Sauk, Todd County, MN. Her grandfather brought his family from Skåne, Sweden in 1868, supposedly the first white settlers in Todd County. Grandma was the farmer’s daughter, grandpa was the traveling salesman. Aunt Lucille was born premature at 7 months, but a healthy 10 pounds. Hmmm.

  186. @Twinkie
    @Shouting Thomas


    Judeo/Christian law
     
    The term “Judeo-Christian” is a 20th Century invention that was coined in a spirit of generous ecumenism in the US., but is historically, philosophically, and religiously a false construct.

    I largely agree with Razib Khan on this: https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018/03/06/on-the-semiotics-of-judeo-christian-as-a-misdirection/

    Read the whole thing - it’s not long, but this is the key summary:

    Western civilization as a project after Late Antiquity and before the modern period was never a partnership between the Jews and Western Christians. It was the project of Western Christian societies, which eventually fractured during the Reformation, and repaired themselves back into some sort of whole in the wake of the Peace of Westphalia. The transformations of the 18th century ushered in the revolutionary changes which allowed for Jews to become participants in Western civilization as something besides Christians.
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @rebel yell

    There is indeed a Judeo/Christian world view and these two religions are closely related. Nietzsche was largely correct, that Pagans celebrated the warrior/master life and the values that go with it – strength, honor, generosity – and that Judaism and later Christianity are a reaction to the cruelty of these Pagans by their victims. Jews and Christians take the defeated/slave point of view and celebrate endurance as victims and just overcoming of masters. There is much ethical good and much ethical evil in the Judeo/Christian mind set, as is true of Pagans.
    You can’t fully understand our modern Left unless you seem them in part as a continuation of this Jewish and Christian “blessed are the poor” worldview. They are exhibiting a final sour insane decay of this tradition.

  187. @anon
    A good example of how things have been dumbed down.

    Judge in Rittenhouse case is a liberal Democrat who has repeated sided with the rights of the accused to ensure a fair trail. He has done this because he is an OLD LIBERAL DEMOCRAT. 2021 people are incapable of thinking in terms of ideology so they assume he is siding with the bad guy defendant because he is a right wing racists (aka a Bad Guy).

    Replies: @Dennis Dale

    This is like the story of radical students in the sixties watching a documentary about the Spanish Civil War and cheering a defeat for the “republicans”.

  188. @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Alarmist

    I've never heard of The Good Fight, Alarmist, but I'm still surprised to read that they'd be that blatant in inserting the Establishment narrative of a current political event into their show.

    As for Dirty Harry and Death Wish, we're not going to see any of that realism* coming out of anything but the dark side of the internet. When I get movies from the library, I always have to get 3 or 4, as I never which ones I'll have to stop at 5 or 10 minutes in ... "this isn't gonna work ..." Hey, at least they're "free".


    .

    * Even Death Wish (first one, the original), had the murderers/rapists as white guy.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Ragno

    True memory…..DEATH WISH in its original release hit urban theaters like a seismic shock. (Literally.) The 1970s were the (brief) heyday of lines going twice around city blocks to see certain movies – THE GODFATHER was one; DEATH WISH was another.

    Anyway, my memory was walking past the theater where DEATH WISH was still playing, a month into its release, still racking up big box office. My friends and I were walking past the theater when we heard – and even felt – the ground and the walls of the building shaking with what sounded like wild cheering and footstomping.

    My friends and I looked at one another, grinning. “He just shot the (African-American fellow) climbing the chain link fence”, we correctly guessed, as that first Bronson kill in the film – coming as it did after a near-decade of real-life black-on-white violence, urban collapse into hellhole status and professional law-enforcement timidity – acted much like wrenching open a dangerously backed-up steam valve. During those weeks in 1974, that one scene routinely and consistently prompted wildly insane cheering from audiences who were responding to much much more than technically-expert manipulation of moviegoers: it was the validation of the anxiety and apprehension – but even more so, the existence – of a white audience who already were wary of the direction society was taking, and cognizant of just who was being converted into unpeople and consequently ignored by the Powers That Be.

    We probably should have read more into that type of response to a movie scene, a month into release and in the middle of a weekday afternoon …should have taken a different sort of notice at the semiotics of cheering that literally shook the ground outside the movie theater…..but after all, we weren’t sociologists, we were just kids. Albeit kids who knew what time it was re the clusterfuck of wishful-thinking race relations, even in 1974.

  189. @Twinkie
    @Anonymous

    I say to these MoFos: “Then let us separate… this time peacefully.”

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Well, folks, the unthinkable has happened. Twinkie has a more moderate view on these people than me. I guess that really is a sign.

    There are two possibilities. Either Armageddon is upon us, or the ancient Greeks were right. Be careful what you wish for, lest God make it become true.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    Well, folks, the unthinkable has happened. Twinkie has a more moderate view on these people than me. I guess that really is a sign.
     
    You missed the implicit alternative in my polite request to them. ;)

    You know, “or else…”

    That said, you won’t see those of us with wife and children advocate or launch into mass violence lightly - even rhetorically. Fighting is surely a young man’s game, but watch out when old men with experiences get into it!

    Replies: @Alden, @nebulafox

  190. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jonathan Mason

    Nah. He did just fine with the AR. Just wish he'd aimed a little more left with Grosskreutz.

    Replies: @RobinG, @Paul Mendez, @Corvinus

    By any chance are you dyslexic? More to the left would have missed entirely.

    Also, the “Autonomous Zone?” was in Seattle.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @RobinG

    By any chance are you dyslexic?

    Probably.

    Also, the “Autonomous Zone?” was in Seattle.

    Portland, Seattle, wherever on the freak coast.

  191. @Bill Jones
    @Shouting Thomas

    Well you mind numbingly ignorant jerk you might begin by realizing that the system of English Common Law on which the Anglo-sphere is based has fuck-all to do with your "Ten Commandments".

    Replies: @rebel yell, @Hibernian

    English common law has everything to do with the ten commandments. English law is born of the moral value which Christianity places on the individual life and the lives of common people. The further origins of this Christian view are found in the old testament.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @rebel yell

    OMG English and American Law is based on whatever a judge says it is. A lower court judge ordered the 10 commandments carved in an 1840s courthouse be removed . The appellate court upheld the removal. I don’t remember their reasoning. Offensive to murderers thieves and adulterers presumably The 10 commandments are a basic universal set of laws most societies have. And were universal in the Mid East at the time. And the commandments are short and simple. None of that Hammurabi stuff about how to torture his wifes when a man dies a suspiciousness death.

    You’re a southerner. Do you like forcing White children to ride a bus 60 miles a day to be terrorized tortured and abused by blacks in integrated schools all day every day from age 5 to 18? . That’s English Common Law created out of nothing by judged not elected legislators.

    Been affected by affirmative action your entire working life? That’s English Common Law or Judge made law. Just two decisions by the black robed minions of Satan 👿Griggs and Kaiser.

    Irritated about mixed black and White marriages and relationships? Again, English judge made Common Law. Love vs State of Virginia 1967. Aware that the lower Mississippi is also known as the sewer of America? Again English judge made Common Law Louisiana Slaughter Houses around 1870.

    English Common Law Judges just make it up as they go along. ADL ACLU AJC NAACP wants us to spend hundreds of billions of dollars. Destroy the public school system and aid abet and encourage the torture and terrorization of millions of White children by blacks?? Sure, why not. Let’s show those southern cracker redneck pecker woods who’s in control.

    Replies: @rebel yell

    , @Bill Jones
    @rebel yell

    Common law developed in Britain for centuries before Christianity showed up.
    The only three of the "ten commandments", and we can go into Christ's renunciation of them at a later date, that ever were law across the country were the murder, robbery, perjury ones that predated Christianity. Common law varied across the country because it was based on the practices of the people in that area. The legal term "discovery" originally related to the "kings Justices" as the country consolidated, attempting to discover just what the local practices, the common law was. A simple example of regional difference might be what constituted proof of ownership.
    The core difference between the West (shorthanded as Christianity) and Judea, is that the former was a bottom up, it's right because the majority of the people here behave in that way system and the latter beholden to the commandments of a demonstrably barking made psychotic genocidal God. The stereotype of the neurotic jew poring over the talmud looking for loopholes exists for a reason.

    The explosion of "Shalt Nots", now 5,000 plus federal felonies, occurred after the ten fold increase in jews in the country between 1880 and 1920.


    The core issue between top down and bottiom up is why they have no place in the West.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  192. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jonathan Mason

    Nah. He did just fine with the AR. Just wish he'd aimed a little more left with Grosskreutz.

    Replies: @RobinG, @Paul Mendez, @Corvinus

    Just wish he’d aimed a little more left with Grosskreutz

    .

    I don’t know. I like the idea that every day, for the rest of his life, from when he tries to wipe his butt and tie his shoes in the morning until he tries to floss his teeth at night, he’ll be reminded what a jackass he is.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
  193. @JimDandy
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    This post was one of Steve's rare missteps.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    I think iSteve left off the sarcasm tags.

    Does he have to explain everything to us?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Inquiring Mind

    Not everything, but I would appreciate some clarification here. I don't think he was being parodic when he made fun of people who reference The Frankfurt School in this context. The commenter I was responding to wrote:

    "Steve, I thought Frankfurt School liturgy was Good Guys v Bad Guys based on complexion — “if rather swarthy, but never mind that” — and continent of origin.
    With an “honorary” Good Guy” designation for Ice People who grovel."

    I don't think the Left's conception of "Bad Guys" evolved totally independent of the influence of Cultural Marxist propaganda.

    But I do think Steve understands that the people Kyle shot were genuine bad guys. I mean three career criminals--a serial boy-rapist, a serial domestic abuser who strangled and suffocated loved ones and once put a butcher knife to his brother's stomach and threatened to "gut him like a pig," and a guy who was convicted of beating up his own grandma... I looked up "Bad Guys" in the dictionary and found all three of their pics.

    Replies: @Alden

  194. @anon
    @Shouting Thomas

    Western civilization is Hellenic-Christian.

    Replies: @HA

    “Western civilization is Hellenic-Christian.”

    And Persian, and Phoenician, and Egyptian…I can keep going. Given how far Ashoka’s missionaries might have traveled, you could probably justify some Buddhist influences as well. So why stop at Hellenic?

    That being the case, “Christian” covers all that well enough. No hyphens needed.

    I’ll be sure to give “Judaeo-Christian” another try right about the time they decide to start continually reminding us that Muslim culture is actually “Judaeo-Islamic”. In the meantime, I’m not holding my breath.

    • Agree: JerseyJeffersonian
    • Replies: @anon
    @HA

    "So why stop at Hellenic?"

    We're talking about degrees, and however much Western Civilization was aware of Persian, etc. etc., these are mere blips compared to the influence of Hellenic thought on Western Civilization. Augustine, Aquinas, Scotus and Ockham were trying to make sense of and building the foundations with Aristotle and Plato.

    Replies: @HA

  195. Erich Fromm installed the political good guys/bad guys model into Frankfurt Social Psychology and since then those two are indivisable.
    So, yes, it is a regress into infancy, but comes not quite automatically, not without all intellectual background and rationalizations.

  196. @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    The Islamic analogue to Greece and Rome is Persia. A surprising amount of Zoroastrianism pops up in what we think of as conventionally Islamic. The Abbasid caliphate replicated the Sassanid court as much as the Dark Ages Pope was de facto dux of Rome.

    >The Jews barely rate a mention in any of the ancient historic sources because they were so insignificant.

    I wouldn't go that far. Later Republican Roman history was clearly aware of Jews and talks about their strange ways at length with a mixture of contempt and respect. ("Wow, they actually take their piety SERIOUSLY?") The Romans were never a philosophical bunch, unlike the Greeks, so they didn't think much of the underlying implications at first, before there was a cult to the emperor.

    There was a diaspora across the Mediterranean by the turn of the millennium, including in Rome itself, and the Hellenized version of the religion that dominated among the diaspora was winning converts who were attracted to various aspects of the faith. However, there was always a strong tension between them and the Palestinian "rednecks" or "non-traitor", depending on your POV, Jews back home, and that came to a head.

    The big turning point was the Flavian sack of Jerusalem, both in terms of Christianity diverging into its own thing and for the prospect of conversion of Gentiles. John's Jesus' prophecy on his way to Golgotha is a clear allusion to what will happen to the city 35 years later. In the pre-modern world, where it was taken for granted by virtually all people around the globe that the divine played a direct role in who succeeded and who failed, the sack set tongues wagging as to who was at fault, and the Hellenized community lost out.

    Replies: @Paul Mendez, @Alden, @Jack D

    …there was always a strong tension between them and the Palestinian “rednecks” or “non-traitor”, depending on your POV, Jews back home, and that came to a head

    .

    This year, I’ve been telling my Jewish friends that Hanukkah and January 6 have a lot in common.

  197. @Bill Jones
    @Shouting Thomas

    Well you mind numbingly ignorant jerk you might begin by realizing that the system of English Common Law on which the Anglo-sphere is based has fuck-all to do with your "Ten Commandments".

    Replies: @rebel yell, @Hibernian

    It was evolved by people schooled in the Christian faith, and upholds “Thou Shalt not Steal,” “Thou Shalt not Kill,” etc. Kind of hard to police covetousness.

  198. @Hangnail Hans
    @Shouting Thomas

    Though many qualifiers were inserted into the "historical record" over the centuries, what we know of Jesus Christ's teachings show them to be a thorough renunciation of mosaic law.

    "Judeo-Christian" describes a house divided against itself.

    Replies: @G. Poulin, @Hibernian, @Matt Buckalew

    He came not to abolish the Law, but to fulfill the Law.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Hibernian

    Yes, to fulfil the law by rejecting it wholesale. Read the Sermon on the Mount, in particular the Antitheses--without that 'qualifier' which was added by jewish apostates after the fact.

  199. @nebulafox
    @SimpleSong

    It wasn't either/or, especially pre-Flavian sack. St. Paul was both a Jew educated in the Torah and an educated Roman citizen clearly familiar with the pagan classics: there's even a quote of Menander somewhere in the NT, though I forget where. He lived in Rome at the same time Seneca. For all we know, they met... and they certainly died at the hands of the same man, Nero.

    I don't think it is an accident that Stoicism and Christianity blend together nicely, in terms of metaphysics, at least.

    Also, weren't there heretical movements in early Christianity that tried to ditch the OT altogether?

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian

    Yes, the Marcionite Church rejected what came to be known as the Old Testament, and along with it any connection with Judaism. Their Bible consisted of the Gospel of the Lord as revealed to Paul, and the Epistles of Paul. Those continuing this tradition contend that this was the original (and genuine) form of the Christian Bible, predating the later canonical formulation (whose status as canon, not to mention the books of which it was comprised, was rather hotly contested for some time). Later on, this Marcionite doctrinal/scriptural tradition was anathematized, along with other doctrinal traditions such as those of the Valentinians, and the Nestorians, among others.

    Here is a link to a website from contemporary believers of the Marcionite Church laying out some of their beliefs:

    https://www.marcionitechurch.org/

  200. @Jonathan Mason
    Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his "job" was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from "dyslexia" (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Jack D, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @RobinG, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Paul Mendez, @Hibernian, @Twinkie, @Paperback Writer, @danand

    Looks like premeditation to me.

    Premeditating protecting yourself, hopefully by deterrence, is not premeditating murder.

  201. @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    Well, folks, the unthinkable has happened. Twinkie has a more moderate view on these people than me. I guess that really is a sign.

    There are two possibilities. Either Armageddon is upon us, or the ancient Greeks were right. Be careful what you wish for, lest God make it become true.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Well, folks, the unthinkable has happened. Twinkie has a more moderate view on these people than me. I guess that really is a sign.

    You missed the implicit alternative in my polite request to them. 😉

    You know, “or else…”

    That said, you won’t see those of us with wife and children advocate or launch into mass violence lightly – even rhetorically. Fighting is surely a young man’s game, but watch out when old men with experiences get into it!

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Twinkie

    I don’t know much about shooting. But I doubt there is one adult man in America, military or Olympic shooting team who can do what Kyle did.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @John Johnson

    , @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    Heheh. NCND. ;)

    I do think that the Rittenhouse trial is having an impact on public opinion: and not one the Left is going to like.

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

  202. OT, the NY Times finally found a replacement story they could get behind!

    • LOL: neutral
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer

    They should have done that 200 years ago. Would've solved all kinds of problems. And the cotton would get picked.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @Alden
    @Paperback Writer

    Cotton picking is all done by machine now and for about 60 years That gray stuff wrapped in yellow plastic is cotton. Picked by an expensive machine that somehow pulls off the leaves and stalks and rolls the cotton bolls into that huge bale and loads it into a truck. If it’s a really big operation the cotton picking machine probably loads the cotton bales into storage Untouched by human hands the entire process. If the guy in the picture wants to earn an agricultural living he should learn to fix and maintain farm machinery. He’ll probably have to go to Europe for that. As there’s no useful practical training and education in America any more

    Wanna know how modern farming is done? Watch that cooking ranching show by that Oklahoma cattle ranch family. Machinery all the way. Find some hay harvest episodes Cutting the hay , bailing it bringing it to storage and putting it in storage. Not a human hand involved . Except for pumping gas in the machine and an occasional mechanic to fix the machine. Although they probably can do basic maintenance of the machine.

    Fruit harvest. There’s a machine. Long like 15 foot metal container with little like small fork lift things all along the sides. Attached to and pulled by an ordinary tractor. It’s set up in the lane between rows of trees. The pickers go up in the trees with a bag and pick the fruit. Then the machine puts an open cardboard fruit box on the fork lift things picker empties his bag carefully so not to bruise the fruit . It’s about 20 pounds that doesn’t hurt the pickers backs and shoulders. Lowers Wcom insurance and means the pickers won’t be all crippled by 50.

    Picker pushes a button or lever goes back to picking. Machine closes box tapes it and lifts it in myopic the container and puts another open box ready for filling in the forklift things. When the container is full tractor takes it to the area where the trucks come empties the boxes and goes back to the orchard

    That machine did eliminate packing house jobs where the women worked. And has saved so many pickers from being all crippled at 50.

    Cotton picking by hand in 2021. I know NYSLIMES reporters are ignorant morons about all manual labor including sewing on a button but this is...... liberalism

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  203. @countenance
    White guy shoots and kills white guys, and black people (et al) are making it a race issue, and are paying attention to the trial as if it was a race issue. Ironically, the Arbery trial is going on at the same time.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Clyde, @Eric Novak

    White guy shoots and kills white guys, and black people (et al) are making it a race issue, and are paying attention to the trial as if it was a race issue. Ironically, the Arbery trial is going on at the same time.

    You have some real black on black action in NYC, where the thug looking BLM leader, looks like he spent time in prison, is threatening chaos, burning and rioting if incoming mayor Eric Adams reinstitutes intensive policing. The program that DeBlasio eliminated. The program that black criminals hate.

    Eric Adams explains why he supports stop-and-frisk, …
    https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2021/05/…
    May 25, 2021 · Eric Adams explains why he supports stop-and-frisk, when it’s used legally. Mayoral candidate Eric Adams testified during the Bloomberg era against the NYPD’s misuse of …

  204. @Paperback Writer
    OT, the NY Times finally found a replacement story they could get behind!

    https://twitter.com/mirjordan/status/1459161386802548743?s=20

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Alden

    They should have done that 200 years ago. Would’ve solved all kinds of problems. And the cotton would get picked.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Shoulda woulda coulda.

    Didn't happen. We're all in the plantation now and one Kenosha away from the whole thing being burned down.

    Hank Newsome just warned the mayor of America's largest city who's in charge.

    Personally, I'm approaching John Nolte territory - let Democrat towns burn.

    If BLM fucks up NYC, even the libs might come to some sort of sanity because libs all have two countries: their own (which isn't a country, their own progressive ghetto) and New York.

    And if BLM goes nuts, please have them riot in SoHo and the Upper East Side. I think I'm pretty safe in my own obscure area.

    Gary from Gramercy: if you're reading this, I think you're safe too. The BLM retards don't know from Gramercy.

    Replies: @Fidelios Automata

  205. @Inquiring Mind
    @JimDandy

    I think iSteve left off the sarcasm tags.

    Does he have to explain everything to us?

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Not everything, but I would appreciate some clarification here. I don’t think he was being parodic when he made fun of people who reference The Frankfurt School in this context. The commenter I was responding to wrote:

    “Steve, I thought Frankfurt School liturgy was Good Guys v Bad Guys based on complexion — “if rather swarthy, but never mind that” — and continent of origin.
    With an “honorary” Good Guy” designation for Ice People who grovel.”

    I don’t think the Left’s conception of “Bad Guys” evolved totally independent of the influence of Cultural Marxist propaganda.

    But I do think Steve understands that the people Kyle shot were genuine bad guys. I mean three career criminals–a serial boy-rapist, a serial domestic abuser who strangled and suffocated loved ones and once put a butcher knife to his brother’s stomach and threatened to “gut him like a pig,” and a guy who was convicted of beating up his own grandma… I looked up “Bad Guys” in the dictionary and found all three of their pics.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @JimDandy

    Typical anti fa , a week away from being homeless mentally ill drunk drugged violent criminal history arrogant liberals. When I was young the not greatest generation looked at the hippy generation and predicted the children of the hippies would end up just like anti fa. They were right except than anti fa is the grandchildren of the hippy generation.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  206. @MLK

    Personally, I think that’s one of my most important intellectual contributions, but nobody else does because it seems too dumb to be true: Good Guys vs. Bad Guys? C’mon, it must instead have something to do with the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism.
     
    C'mon, at least with regard to this fact set that is a straw man argument. Or maybe a knee-jerk "a pox on both houses."

    I'm fascinated by the studied lack of interest in what looks to me at least as a targeting of a 17 year old by Antifa/BLM filth. It seems for the wise heads on both sides of this equation it's too boring to investigate what sure looks like a planned and organized assault on Kyle by a team of convicted sexual predators.

    Also, don't underestimate how much Kyle makes men of all political and ideological stripes feel bad about themselves. He not only acted to protect innocents in Kenosha but he successfully protected himself in what remains an astounding performance of self-defense. And it wasn't even his home town.

    Meanwhile, the men who should have been protecting their community stayed home, pissing their pants, waiting for a vaccine.

    There's a complex love/hate psychology surrounding heroic figures like Congressional Medal of Honor recipients. We reveal more about ourselves than them in how we react to their courage under fire.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    “Meanwhile, the men who should have been protecting their community stayed home, pissing their pants, waiting for a vaccine.”

    Pro comment, thread winner.

  207. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Jonathan Mason


    It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.
     
    Who are you kidding?

    https://www.laattorney.com/using-a-skateboard-as-a-weapon.html

    'Using your skateboard as a weapon'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdr-O81MEOk

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Joe Stalin

  208. @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    The Islamic analogue to Greece and Rome is Persia. A surprising amount of Zoroastrianism pops up in what we think of as conventionally Islamic. The Abbasid caliphate replicated the Sassanid court as much as the Dark Ages Pope was de facto dux of Rome.

    >The Jews barely rate a mention in any of the ancient historic sources because they were so insignificant.

    I wouldn't go that far. Later Republican Roman history was clearly aware of Jews and talks about their strange ways at length with a mixture of contempt and respect. ("Wow, they actually take their piety SERIOUSLY?") The Romans were never a philosophical bunch, unlike the Greeks, so they didn't think much of the underlying implications at first, before there was a cult to the emperor.

    There was a diaspora across the Mediterranean by the turn of the millennium, including in Rome itself, and the Hellenized version of the religion that dominated among the diaspora was winning converts who were attracted to various aspects of the faith. However, there was always a strong tension between them and the Palestinian "rednecks" or "non-traitor", depending on your POV, Jews back home, and that came to a head.

    The big turning point was the Flavian sack of Jerusalem, both in terms of Christianity diverging into its own thing and for the prospect of conversion of Gentiles. John's Jesus' prophecy on his way to Golgotha is a clear allusion to what will happen to the city 35 years later. In the pre-modern world, where it was taken for granted by virtually all people around the globe that the divine played a direct role in who succeeded and who failed, the sack set tongues wagging as to who was at fault, and the Hellenized community lost out.

    Replies: @Paul Mendez, @Alden, @Jack D

    At least the commandments are simple reasonable and applicable to everyone.
    English Common Law is the ancient law of the primitive wandering nomad tribes like Attila the Hun Genghis Khan tribes and Viking pirates when they finally settled down.

    It was judge made law, the worst kind of law in the world. Because a judge can just make up the law and doesn’t have to do a thing to enforce it.

    Laws made by kings and dictators are much much better than judge made laws because the kings and dictators have to enforce those laws.

    English Common Law was created by the biggest baddest bully in the village or war party etc. and when the biggest baddest bully was away from home slaughtering and pillaging another village his wife ( ok) or children, not even teens (not ok) acted as judge for him. And the biggest baddest bullies made the laws to suit them and them only.

    Common Law doesn’t mean it benefitted the common people. Nor did it benefit the Common good. English Common Law was made by the primitive nomadic Attila the Hun type warlords who managed to kill their way to the top of their little territory

    I suggest you read a little about some of the very worst judge made. Or Anglo Saxon English Common Law laws the American Supreme Court has ever made

    Louisiana Slaughter Houses 1870s . Brown vs Topeka 1951 Griggs vs Duke Power 1971 Kaiser vs Weber 1979. And absolutely most important the infamous evil satanic Marbury vs Madison 1808. Brown, Griggs and Kaiser laws, created out of vicious hatred of American Whites were each made by 9 judges in the old what you call English Common Law tradition the muh constitution American patriot conservatives admire so much. Conservatives with no legal knowledge whatsoever.

    Brown Griggs and Kaiser were All judge made up laws created out of nothing in the old warlord English Anglo Saxon Common Law tradition conservatives admire so much. Brown Griggs and Kaiser were designed to exterminate American Whites.

    The continental system was originally laws made by the kings dukes counts of the territory always after consulting advisors . And definitely considering how the laws would be enforced And who the new law would benefit and who it wouldn’t benefit

    Do you honestly think that every elected state legislature in the country would vote for; and
    every elected state governor would sign laws

    1 that desegregated the schools,
    2school bussing
    3 send rampaging black savages to White parts of town
    4destroy our cities and inner suburbs
    5 spend billions and billions of dollars
    6 overwhelm state and local school administration offices with hundreds of thousands 4th grade reading level blacks with master’s and PHDs in LOL education
    7 and the truly satanic purpose of it all. Using encouraging aiding and abetting the black savages to terrorize abuse verbally assault beat injure rob rape and screech obscenities at millions of White kids from 8 am to school closing

    Do you how many White girls and women suffer from life long bladder infections because they couldn’t use school bathrooms for fear of suffering a serious beating from the savages?

    Vicious abuse of White children While the Anglo Saxon English Common Law Judges forbade and punished the schools from preventing the beatings and other abuses ?

    Good example of muh constitution conservatives the Kyle Rittenhouse house threads. Many of the muh constitution conservatives aren’t even aware that it’s State of Wisconsin Penal Code violations with which Kyle is charged. They keep meandering about the right to self defense. And their opinion of gun safety and use. . But don’t bother to read the Wisconsin codes Re; self defense

    Actually, England has never followed what American conservative patriot types who have never been involved in any legal proceeding and totally unfamiliar with the legal system think English Common Law is.

    It’s unclear what the primitive Welsh, Vikings and Saxons did. Mostly make up a Law and enforce it by killing those who objected

    English law arrived with William the Conquers grandson Henry 2. And it was first, royal decrees, not by parliament till mid 1600s. Before that parliament function wasn’t to make laws but to approve or not approve the King’s tax requests

    For other than royal tax requests and decrees . Laws were made by a combination County City and Village judges based on whatever they wanted to do. And elected mayors alderman and non elected officials. Such as the managers of the marketplace; laws or rules about safe food honest measurements basically consumer protection laws. Even those consumer regulations often grew out of the market place small claims court

    The American founders PRETENDED to establish a system of laws passed by the elected federal and state legislators and by elected county and city officials. But by 1808 the founders brought America right back to Anglo Saxon ( barf ) Judge made English Common Law that is extremely detrimental to the common people and for the common good That was their satanic Masonic intention all along

    Although I am an extreme White Nationalist and am so thankful our kids and grandchildren escaped the public schools I really think Louisiana Slaughter Houses case was the absolute worst crime ever committed by the 8 satanic supremes when they overturned a completely sensible public health and environmental law passed and signed by elected officials. A law made to save lives from the epidemics. Still reconstruction times. Probably some black representatives in the Louisiana legislature Good for them all White black KKK or scalawag traitor

    Read Marbury vs Madison, Louisiana Slaughter Houses Then Read Brown vs Topeka Griggs vs Duke Power and Kaiser vs Weber. All Anglo Saxon (barf) English Common Law Judge made laws. Think about the effects Brown Griggs and Kaiser have had in American Whites and will have on American Whites. Judge made law Brown was the 3rd state of genocide. Judge made lawsGriggs and Kaiser were the first stage of genocide. Judge made Anglo Saxon English Common Law.

  209. @Elmer T. Jones
    After remaining professionally silent, Salon has finally provided their voice on this sensational trial. Today Journalist Heather Barton provides the FACTS about what happened that fateful night :

    The facts of the case are well known, so I won't go into it in detail. Suffice it to say that Rittenhouse fashioned himself as a "medic" (a role for which he was entirely untrained) as well as a sort of adjunct militia member, protecting private property and supporting the police when he drove into Kenosha that night and ostentatiously patrolled the streets with his long gun. He was confronted by Joseph Rosenbaum, an ex-convict with a history of mental illness who threw a bag of toiletries at him. Rittenhouse fired his gun, mortally wounding Rosenbaum. He called a friend and said, "I just killed somebody," as he jogged away from the scene.

    Rittenhouse was chased by several people, including one man who tried to hit him with a high kick. Rittenhouse fired at that person but missed. Another protester, Anthony Huber, attempted to bring him down with a skateboard and Rittenhouse shot and killed him too. Gaige Grosskreutz, an armed protester and trained paramedic who also chased Rittenhouse, testified that the two men aimed their guns at each other and Rittenhouse shot him as well, wounding him in the arm. Then Rittenhouse simply walked away from this bloody scene, walking right past police lines, and went home. He turned himself in the next morning. At no point did the self-styled medic try to help any of the people he shot.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Thea

    “Mental illness” is both a badge of honor and get out of jail free card for the bottom dwellers.

    The veteran sitting jail now for yelling” get out of this neighborhood “ thus saving his neighbors and their baby from molestation was done in by the criminal’s history of mental illness.it was an acceptable excuse for sticking his hands down women’s pants and grabbing a baby.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Thea

    Nah, "The issue is never the issue, the issue is always the revolution." The veteran who stopped his neighbors from being literally molested was done in because the perp was black, "mental illness" was just the most convenient excuse to legally lynch him."

    The jogger was literally mentally ill, off his meds and high on marijuana, but is the prosecution using that to string up that set of neighborhood defenders? They shouldn't, the reason someone is trying to illegitimately kill you doesn't matter in self-defense.

    Of course our betters are voiding the affirmative defense of self-defense against their pets and paramilitaries where they have control, and this includes the GOPe in this case and Zimmerman-Martin as well. And who says crime doesn't pay, Rick Scott got rewarded with a Senate seat.

  210. @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    The Islamic analogue to Greece and Rome is Persia. A surprising amount of Zoroastrianism pops up in what we think of as conventionally Islamic. The Abbasid caliphate replicated the Sassanid court as much as the Dark Ages Pope was de facto dux of Rome.

    >The Jews barely rate a mention in any of the ancient historic sources because they were so insignificant.

    I wouldn't go that far. Later Republican Roman history was clearly aware of Jews and talks about their strange ways at length with a mixture of contempt and respect. ("Wow, they actually take their piety SERIOUSLY?") The Romans were never a philosophical bunch, unlike the Greeks, so they didn't think much of the underlying implications at first, before there was a cult to the emperor.

    There was a diaspora across the Mediterranean by the turn of the millennium, including in Rome itself, and the Hellenized version of the religion that dominated among the diaspora was winning converts who were attracted to various aspects of the faith. However, there was always a strong tension between them and the Palestinian "rednecks" or "non-traitor", depending on your POV, Jews back home, and that came to a head.

    The big turning point was the Flavian sack of Jerusalem, both in terms of Christianity diverging into its own thing and for the prospect of conversion of Gentiles. John's Jesus' prophecy on his way to Golgotha is a clear allusion to what will happen to the city 35 years later. In the pre-modern world, where it was taken for granted by virtually all people around the globe that the divine played a direct role in who succeeded and who failed, the sack set tongues wagging as to who was at fault, and the Hellenized community lost out.

    Replies: @Paul Mendez, @Alden, @Jack D

    Later Republican Roman history was clearly aware of Jews and talks about their strange ways at length with a mixture of contempt and respect.

    I was talking about an earlier period, when the events of the Bible were supposedly happening. There is some historical confirmation for certain Biblical personages and events, but not many.

    The Romans had great respect for things that were old and they regarding Judaism as a “real” religion and venerable religion. To them Christianity was fake, the way people used to think about Mormonism or still think about Scientology. To the Roman way of thinking, you couldn’t just make up your own religion.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    '...The Romans had great respect for things that were old and they regarding Judaism as a “real” religion and venerable religion. To them Christianity was fake, the way people used to think about Mormonism or still think about Scientology. To the Roman way of thinking, you couldn’t just make up your own religion.'

    That's interesting, and I hadn't thought of that -- but I suspect the Roman attitude had more to do with who the Jews were versus who the Christians were, and how their conduct played out in real life.

    It's one thing if there's a merchant who thinks that when the Messiah comes, you're screwed, and he's not.

    Well, we'll all see, I suppose. It's another matter entirely if your wife's handmaiden is telling her she should refuse to participate in the sacrifices down at the Temple of Zeus this Wednesday.

    Didn't the Jews manage to set themselves apart as a segregated community that 'agreed to disagree' -- whilst the Christians were recruiting slaves and stirring up the womenfolk and generally causing problems?

    Replies: @Fidelios Automata

    , @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'The Romans had great respect for things that were old and they regarding Judaism as a “real” religion and venerable religion. To them Christianity was fake, the way people used to think about Mormonism or still think about Scientology. To the Roman way of thinking, you couldn’t just make up your own religion....'

    Parenthetically, it should be noted that it's questionable if Judaism is of much greater antiquity than Christianity.

    On the one hand, there's not much evidence that 'Judaism' in any form we would recognize appeared before perhaps 200 BC -- see the Elephantine Papyri. That's going to be Judaism -- it ain't there yet.

    Conversely, Christianity appears to have emerged from one of what were a mulitiplicity of strands of Judaism before the whole thing was codified about 200 ad (give or take).

    So it's not like you've got an 'old' Judaism on the one hand, and a 'new' Christianity. Rather, you have a complex of religious beliefs that, as the dust settles resolve into a 'Christianity' opposed to a 'Judaism.'

    One might even begin to suspect that it was a matter of who was taking up each variation rather than what the variation was. After all, there were multiple and conflicting Christian gospels, and they could all well be regarded as simply part of the larger family of multiple and conflicting Jewish dogmas.

    Our view of a simple dichotomy is clear enough -- but it may owe more to subsequent history than to reality as of 200 bc-200 ad.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    The Romans had great respect for things that were old and they regarding Judaism as a “real” religion and venerable religion.

    A great respect for Judaism?

    Is that why they sacked the Holy temple? Ever seen the Arch of Titus?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    The Romans had great respect for things that were old and they regarding Judaism as a “real” religion and venerable religion. To them Christianity was fake, the way people used to think about Mormonism or still think about Scientology. To the Roman way of thinking, you couldn’t just make up your own religion.
     
    People tend to be skeptical about the veracity of supernatural events that are said to have occurred in their own time. Let a few centuries pass, and who's to say what did or did not happen way back when? Assuming a religion survives, the passage of time adds to its respectability.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @Jack D


    There is some historical confirmation for certain Biblical personages and events, but not many.
     
    Sodom'n'Gomorrah (mah favret, since I found greatgrandma's huge old 20-lb. Victorian bible with the full-page, no-trigger-warning engravings, aged about eight) was real.

    Ca. 1700BC (about 3900 years ago, for you non-believers and other jews).
    The crushed, smashed and roasted bones of the unlucky city folks were encrusted (on the blast side) with salt crystals.
    And an Aussie geologist explained how the briefly evaporated Dead Sea, already as salty as the most poisonous Nando's chicken, came back down as boiling hyper-saline cloudbursts to run off on top of foolish wives etc. seeking shelter under rock overhangs and doorways.

  211. @Wake up
    Rittenhouse’s biggest sin is that he’s White. If he was a Black teenager who shot 3 Conservatives, the media and Hollywood would declare him a hero.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Old Prude, @Morris Applebaum IV

    The perfect example of the double standard is how Michael Byrd was treated after murdering Ashli Babbitt

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  212. @Jonathan Mason
    @SimpleSong

    I wouldn't want to give him the death sentence for his Forrest Gump type antics, but on the other hand he needs to be made an example of to discourage others from showing up at political demonstrations with loaded weapons.

    After all, the reason why police forces don't want to call out the national guard to political demonstrations is the memory of Kent State, and the knowledge that the national guard cannot be trusted not to lose it like Rittenhouse did.

    Replies: @SimpleSong, @Reg Cæsar, @Morris Applebaum IV, @Alden

    I don’t really want to encourage his behavior either in general, but when the ruling class is encouraging people to loot, riot, and burn down cities during a pandemic to achieve political ends, I’m glad there are some people who will resist. I consider Kyle Rittenhouse a hero, though if he were my neighbor I would have told him to just stay home (for his sake).

    • Thanks: JimDandy
  213. @Reg Cæsar
    @Ganderson


    both my grandfathers, one a Swedish immigrant brass caster, the other a Wabasha County watermelon farmer
     
    Were either of them named Leroy? Or their wives Delores, with two Es? So white Leroys go for watermelon, too!

    I like to bite right in and chomp the seeds. Sadly, the ones at the store have been spayed.

    Replies: @Ganderson

    Edward James McDonough and Carl Lennart Andersson.

    The McDonough farm is still there, just off US 61 near Kellogg.

    E. J. married Aurora Ströbäck of Little Sauk, Todd County, MN. Her grandfather brought his family from Skåne, Sweden in 1868, supposedly the first white settlers in Todd County. Grandma was the farmer’s daughter, grandpa was the traveling salesman. Aunt Lucille was born premature at 7 months, but a healthy 10 pounds. Hmmm.

  214. @AndrewR
    @Shouting Thomas

    No it's not, Chaim. The way back is to burn down your "temples."

    Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV

    It’s safe to say that you’ve got the bad guy role nailed down pretty well.

  215. @Reg Cæsar
    @Shouting Thomas


    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.
     
    In other words, just like the righty kids on Unz.com.

    If you're going to blame "boomers" for anything, it's poor cultural stewardship. Everyone that has come after them is ignorant and immature.

    Replies: @Getaclue, @John Johnson, @Cato

    I cringe when I think of my own political immaturity before the age of 45 or so. The young often believe that the world can be improved with a wave of a wand. Didn’t Churchill or Clemenceau or someone make an adage of that?

  216. @Paperback Writer
    OT, the NY Times finally found a replacement story they could get behind!

    https://twitter.com/mirjordan/status/1459161386802548743?s=20

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Alden

    Cotton picking is all done by machine now and for about 60 years That gray stuff wrapped in yellow plastic is cotton. Picked by an expensive machine that somehow pulls off the leaves and stalks and rolls the cotton bolls into that huge bale and loads it into a truck. If it’s a really big operation the cotton picking machine probably loads the cotton bales into storage Untouched by human hands the entire process. If the guy in the picture wants to earn an agricultural living he should learn to fix and maintain farm machinery. He’ll probably have to go to Europe for that. As there’s no useful practical training and education in America any more

    Wanna know how modern farming is done? Watch that cooking ranching show by that Oklahoma cattle ranch family. Machinery all the way. Find some hay harvest episodes Cutting the hay , bailing it bringing it to storage and putting it in storage. Not a human hand involved . Except for pumping gas in the machine and an occasional mechanic to fix the machine. Although they probably can do basic maintenance of the machine.

    Fruit harvest. There’s a machine. Long like 15 foot metal container with little like small fork lift things all along the sides. Attached to and pulled by an ordinary tractor. It’s set up in the lane between rows of trees. The pickers go up in the trees with a bag and pick the fruit. Then the machine puts an open cardboard fruit box on the fork lift things picker empties his bag carefully so not to bruise the fruit . It’s about 20 pounds that doesn’t hurt the pickers backs and shoulders. Lowers Wcom insurance and means the pickers won’t be all crippled by 50.

    Picker pushes a button or lever goes back to picking. Machine closes box tapes it and lifts it in myopic the container and puts another open box ready for filling in the forklift things. When the container is full tractor takes it to the area where the trucks come empties the boxes and goes back to the orchard

    That machine did eliminate packing house jobs where the women worked. And has saved so many pickers from being all crippled at 50.

    Cotton picking by hand in 2021. I know NYSLIMES reporters are ignorant morons about all manual labor including sewing on a button but this is…… liberalism

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Alden


    Wanna know how modern farming is done?
     
    Check out Millennial Farmer on Youtube.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCp0rRUsMDlJ1meYAQ6_37Dw

  217. @That Would Be Telling
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    You are allowed to shoot as many people attacking you, armed or unarmed, as you want until the attacks stop.
     
    To use a bit of Andrew Branca's framework, Proportionality is a critical factor I think you assumed, these must be attacks of lethal force.

    In some states you may be legally required to attempt to flee the danger if possible, in other states you may stand your ground.
     
    Wisconsin happens to be a "Stand Your Ground" state, but it's irrelevant in this case because Rosenbaum per forensic evidence most certainly executed his ambush well, closed to contact distance and Rittenhouse fired after he got his hand on the muzzle.

    After that anybody who tries to disarm you is acting in self-defense.
     
    Since they are furthering Rosenbaum's attempt to murder Rittenhouse. They thought the above fact pattern was reversed? Sucks to be them, and it's not at all clear that fact pattern would have given them a hunting license. Especially since, you know, Rittenhouse was moving to the police line, fat lot of good that did him (they refused to accept his surrender, then again they didn't freak out with him you know having a rifle he'd by his own admission just used, maybe they even saw it go down??? Of course the sorts of people with guns they have to worry about are not ones like him).

    And getting back to the irrelevance of Stand Your Ground, the mob felled Rittenhouse, Huber with a strike to the neck with his dual-use skateboard, and someone hit him in the head with concrete they were holding. At the point he was on the ground he physically could not retreat. And:

    Wrong: They are still classified as active attackers and are legally subject to immediate termination.
     
    Presenting the threat of lethal force to Rittenhouse, he was allowed to reply in kind. And not, for example, shoot Grosskreutz again once he realized he'd all but literally disarmed him. After wasting Huber, which Grosskreutz justified on the stand, and very bloodily destroying Grosskreutz's bicep, just pointing the rifle at the other would be attackers had the desired deterrent effect, he didn't need to shoot again.

    That fact pattern of not shooting after he didn't need to is one of the things that helps Rittenhouse's claim of self-defense, assuming the law will have any bearing on the verdict.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Paperback Writer

    To use a bit of Andrew Branca’s framework, Proportionality is a critical factor I think you assumed, these must be attacks of lethal force.

    Not quite for civilians. Police departments have various ‘escalation’ policies because the job requires it. “Proportionality” doesn’t factor if outnumbered, or if a single attacker is similar in strength to you and is closing the distance between you and him. Even a ‘weaker’ attacker can kill you with the hidden knife you assumed he didn’t have. Of course, this doesn’t mean one can light up a friendly dog or little kid throwing snowballs, we’re talking real threats, i.e. aggressive adult(s) unknown to the person being attacked.

    In a case where a person in obvious possession of a deadly weapon is attacked by others, it must be assumed the attackers mean to do that person harm or at least dispossess that person of the their weapon, and thus are willing to comment serious violence against that person, and are thus legally subject to termination if they had no right to attack that person.

    If you only respond to, rather than prevent “attacks of lethal force” on yourself, you may likely end up killed.

    • Agree: Alden
  218. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    I am not sure that you still have a right to self-defense after you have killed the first unarmed person. After that anybody who tries to disarm you is acting in self-defense.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Jack D, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @That Would Be Telling, @TWS, @Colin Wright

    ‘I am not sure that you still have a right to self-defense after you have killed the first unarmed person. After that anybody who tries to disarm you is acting in self-defense.’

    As stated, this argument is transparent nonsense. Let’s suppose I go into a bar and manage to enrage all the habitues. They start to menace me. One attacks me. Cornered, I shoot him.

    Your position is that now the others have acquired a right to assault me?

    I think not. Obviously, they can ‘defend themselves’ quite easily. Just don’t attack me.

    It’s intriguing that you find yourself unable to offer a better argument, isn’t it?

  219. @Jack D
    @nebulafox


    Later Republican Roman history was clearly aware of Jews and talks about their strange ways at length with a mixture of contempt and respect.
     
    I was talking about an earlier period, when the events of the Bible were supposedly happening. There is some historical confirmation for certain Biblical personages and events, but not many.

    The Romans had great respect for things that were old and they regarding Judaism as a "real" religion and venerable religion. To them Christianity was fake, the way people used to think about Mormonism or still think about Scientology. To the Roman way of thinking, you couldn't just make up your own religion.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @John Johnson, @Johann Ricke, @Expletive Deleted

    ‘…The Romans had great respect for things that were old and they regarding Judaism as a “real” religion and venerable religion. To them Christianity was fake, the way people used to think about Mormonism or still think about Scientology. To the Roman way of thinking, you couldn’t just make up your own religion.’

    That’s interesting, and I hadn’t thought of that — but I suspect the Roman attitude had more to do with who the Jews were versus who the Christians were, and how their conduct played out in real life.

    It’s one thing if there’s a merchant who thinks that when the Messiah comes, you’re screwed, and he’s not.

    Well, we’ll all see, I suppose. It’s another matter entirely if your wife’s handmaiden is telling her she should refuse to participate in the sacrifices down at the Temple of Zeus this Wednesday.

    Didn’t the Jews manage to set themselves apart as a segregated community that ‘agreed to disagree’ — whilst the Christians were recruiting slaves and stirring up the womenfolk and generally causing problems?

    • Replies: @Fidelios Automata
    @Colin Wright

    My understanding is that the Jews were widely hated in the Roman Empire because they refused to tolerate the worship of the Roman gods in their territory. Every other conquered province was fine with it, because the Romans didn't interfere with the worship of THEIR gods. Only the Jews insisted they had a monopoly on divinity.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @John Johnson

  220. @Art Deco
    @JimDandy

    Doesn’t play ball with the Zionists.

    Your obsessions are yours, not those of normal people.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Mr. Anon

    Your obsessions are yours, not those of normal people.

    Who says they are obsessions, rather than just observations? You? You are not a normal person.

    Can’t somebody even mention the word “zionist” without you shaking your chain? Or is somebody jerking your chain for you?

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @Mr. Anon

    Observations are what Maestro Steve calls "noticing". If these people object to mere observations re Zionism by commenters like us, they must surely object to Steve noticing things re Zionism. Here is my observation - noticed by Steve many times. Zionist Neocons, overwhelmingly Jewish, have been in complete control of US defence and foreign policy since the Clinton Administration. This has been disastrous for America, and dangerous to other countries. This is a logical inference from the facts.

    So why is this small group of commenters - you know who they are, as I do - still plugging away when they obviously object to Steve noticing such things? They aren't hasbara trolls: they would be far more obvious and disruptive. Their attempts at obfuscation are useless. Their activity seems pointless.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @JimDandy

    , @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    Can’t somebody even mention the word “zionist” without you shaking your chain?

    His stated opinion is that Tulsi Gabbard's career is toast because of 'zionists'. That's a lunatic remark, for obvious reasons. She retired from Congress quite voluntarily and only a modest minority of federal legislators have a turn at higher office, whether zionists care for them or not. That aside, Gabbard has no history of hostility to Israel, just some mild criticism. Democratic voters put up with the likes of Barack Obama, who actually does despise Israel but had to work with members of Congress who do not. They're not going to notice something Gabbard said about riot control tactics.

    I'm the one answering him because you have a small corps of people who have a habit of remarking on the lunacy here. Someone else does it, I can skip to the next comment.


    You are not a normal person.

    You have issues, Mr. Anon. I'm not taking complaints from you.

    Replies: @RobinG, @Mr. Anon, @JimDandy

  221. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @HA
    @anon

    "Western civilization is Hellenic-Christian."

    And Persian, and Phoenician, and Egyptian...I can keep going. Given how far Ashoka's missionaries might have traveled, you could probably justify some Buddhist influences as well. So why stop at Hellenic?

    That being the case, "Christian" covers all that well enough. No hyphens needed.

    I'll be sure to give "Judaeo-Christian" another try right about the time they decide to start continually reminding us that Muslim culture is actually "Judaeo-Islamic". In the meantime, I'm not holding my breath.

    Replies: @anon

    “So why stop at Hellenic?”

    We’re talking about degrees, and however much Western Civilization was aware of Persian, etc. etc., these are mere blips compared to the influence of Hellenic thought on Western Civilization. Augustine, Aquinas, Scotus and Ockham were trying to make sense of and building the foundations with Aristotle and Plato.

    • Replies: @HA
    @anon

    "these are mere blips compared to the influence of Hellenic thought on Western Civilization."

    As much as Greeks or Jews would like to think that they invented everything -- and that goes for the useful idiots naïve enough to fall for that -- there's little of what they themselves came up with that wasn't derived from or profoundly impacted by Persia or Egypt or the Phoenicians or the other cultures they interacted with.

    "Augustine, Aquinas, Scotus and Ockham were trying to make sense of and building the foundations with Aristotle and Plato."

    There's far more to Christianity than those four, and anyway, they were as much or more concerned about trying to make sense of and build on the foundations of the Old Testament -- and again, I'm not buying Judaeo-Christian either -- not to mention the cataclysmic shift introduced by the Babylonian exile and Persian restoration which led to those Messianic prophecies that they believe Jesus specifically came to fulfill.

    And there's a lot about both Greek and Jewish culture that was specifically rejected, something your simplistic hyphenations fail to account for.

    In any case, unless you're similarly ready to trip over yourself and remind us that Buddhist culture should actually be Hindu-Buddhist culture or Japanese culture is really Sino-Japanese, or whatever other pointless other hyphenations you could make that add absolutely nothing to the equation, I'm not buying it, and it makes me more likely to believe that you're the part of that Greek culture that was specifically rejected.

    Replies: @RobinG

  222. @Buffalo Joe
    I believe it is your right to protect yourself with force, but not a great idea to travel some place to protect other peoples' property, that is the Law's job. Ok, so the Law is standing down and that is in itself almost criminal. This whole thing played right into the Left's hand. Meanwhile the Supreme Court seems to be saying I can buy a pistol in NY with fewer or almost no restrictions. About time.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @gandydancer, @Alden

    .. not a great idea to travel some place to protect other peoples’ property, that is the Law’s job.

    The obligation to come to the aid of strangers is in the conscience of the beholder. The US could use more heroic volunteers willing to defend Americans at-home.

    It’s not the job of the union cops to protect private property, even if that property is someone’s body. Since insurance doesn’t cover loss due to civil unrest, someone who values their property (life!) had better be ready to protect it himself. It’s not like citizens can rely on the governor to act. It’s a good thing that there are guys like Kyle willing to step in.

  223. @anonymous coward
    @Shouting Thomas


    Judeo/Christian
     
    What the fuck is that and why did you use this God-awful word?

    What next? "Islamo-Hinduism"? "Buddho-Marxism"?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @MEH 0910

    What next? “Islamo-Hinduism”? “Buddho-Marxism”?

    https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Zensunni

  224. @Hangnail Hans
    @Shouting Thomas

    Though many qualifiers were inserted into the "historical record" over the centuries, what we know of Jesus Christ's teachings show them to be a thorough renunciation of mosaic law.

    "Judeo-Christian" describes a house divided against itself.

    Replies: @G. Poulin, @Hibernian, @Matt Buckalew

    Like most people that get angriest about the term judeo-Christian you’ve clearly never read the book.

    I came not to abolish the Law, but to fulfill the Law.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Matt Buckalew

    Yes, to fulfil the law by rejecting it wholesale. Read the Sermon on the Mount, in particular the Antitheses--without that 'qualifier' which was added by jewish apostates after the fact.

  225. @Verymuchalive
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tulsi-gabbard-defends-kyle-rittenhouse-just-a-foolish-kid/ar-AAQCsCY

    Interesting to hear Tulsi Gabbard defending Rittenhouse. This surely means a complete break with the Democrats. What her future political career ( if any ) will be, I don't know. Any suggestions ?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Hapalong Cassidy, @JimDandy, @Goddard, @Paperback Writer, @SunBakedSuburb, @Mr. Anon

    What her future political career ( if any ) will be, I don’t know. Any suggestions?

    Her future political career can be predicted from this:

    https://www.weforum.org/people/tulsi-gabbard

    Just like this woman:

    https://www.weforum.org/people/leana-wen

    Or this one:

    https://www.weforum.org/people/jacinda-ardern

    She is not on our side.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @Mr. Anon

    Thanks to you and the others for their suggestions. I honestly don't know much about Gabbard or her background, and was intrigued that a "mainstream" politician was actually defending Rittenhouse. If she is aiming to work for the WEF, I don't see how this tweet is helpful. Maybe we'll find out what her motives were in the coming months. Or maybe not.

  226. @SimpleSong
    @Jack D

    It's probably most historically accurate to consider Christianity a Greek religion with a Jew as the central figure--the New Testament is entirely written in Greek originally (Koine Greek, I believe) and most of the activities of the early church were carried out by Greeks.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Matt Buckalew

    Have you ever read the New Testament? Paul shows a surprising knowledge of Greek culture for a converted Pharisee-adjacent skilled laborer but unless you have knowledge of the OT a lot of the letters would make very little sense.

  227. @Jack D
    @nebulafox


    Later Republican Roman history was clearly aware of Jews and talks about their strange ways at length with a mixture of contempt and respect.
     
    I was talking about an earlier period, when the events of the Bible were supposedly happening. There is some historical confirmation for certain Biblical personages and events, but not many.

    The Romans had great respect for things that were old and they regarding Judaism as a "real" religion and venerable religion. To them Christianity was fake, the way people used to think about Mormonism or still think about Scientology. To the Roman way of thinking, you couldn't just make up your own religion.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @John Johnson, @Johann Ricke, @Expletive Deleted

    ‘The Romans had great respect for things that were old and they regarding Judaism as a “real” religion and venerable religion. To them Christianity was fake, the way people used to think about Mormonism or still think about Scientology. To the Roman way of thinking, you couldn’t just make up your own religion….’

    Parenthetically, it should be noted that it’s questionable if Judaism is of much greater antiquity than Christianity.

    On the one hand, there’s not much evidence that ‘Judaism’ in any form we would recognize appeared before perhaps 200 BC — see the Elephantine Papyri. That’s going to be Judaism — it ain’t there yet.

    Conversely, Christianity appears to have emerged from one of what were a mulitiplicity of strands of Judaism before the whole thing was codified about 200 ad (give or take).

    So it’s not like you’ve got an ‘old’ Judaism on the one hand, and a ‘new’ Christianity. Rather, you have a complex of religious beliefs that, as the dust settles resolve into a ‘Christianity’ opposed to a ‘Judaism.’

    One might even begin to suspect that it was a matter of who was taking up each variation rather than what the variation was. After all, there were multiple and conflicting Christian gospels, and they could all well be regarded as simply part of the larger family of multiple and conflicting Jewish dogmas.

    Our view of a simple dichotomy is clear enough — but it may owe more to subsequent history than to reality as of 200 bc-200 ad.

    • Agree: Inquiring Mind
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    All the Romans knew was that when they got to Jerusalem there was a temple of some antiquity and a well established temple cult so it seemed quite real to them, but who the hell was this Jesus guy? I don't know where you are getting 200BC from. Solomon's Temple was built in 957 BC and its replacement was built in 515 BC so it quite old by the time the Romans show up. Did Jewish ritual remain the same for the whole 1,000 years? No, but all religions evolve. The Catholic Church of today is quite different than the Pre-Vatican II Church. If an Episcopalian from the 1950s was reanimated and came in to the church today where the Bishop is a lesbian he would faint. And that's decades and not centuries.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/08/us/first-female-and-openly-lesbian-priest-episcopal-diocese-trnd/index.html

    Maybe Rabbinic Judaism gets codified circa 200 AD but the religion that was centered around the Temple of Jerusalem (Judaism 1.0) was quite well established and much older than that. Temple Judaism had no choice but to reinvent itself in the absence of a Temple - it was either that or disappear.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright

  228. @Stephen Paul Foster
    "I think that’s one of my most important intellectual contributions, but nobody else does because it seems too dumb to be true: Good Guys vs. Bad Guys? C’mon, it must instead have something to do with the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism."

    Steve, I thought Frankfurt School liturgy was Good Guys v Bad Guys based on complexion -- "if rather swarthy, but never mind that" -- and continent of origin.
    With an "honorary" Good Guy" designation for Ice People who grovel.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    And do we think there were no Bad Guys in this scenario? Look up the records of those anti-White thugs. Does Steve want us to take a nuanced view where we think rioting thugs are the moral equivalent of someone protecting property and life from those thugs?

    Steve’s attitude reminds me of those who wanted gray moral equivalence between the USSR and America. The Ivy League set felt this way. Couldn’t be bothered getting in a lather against communists. They were actually mad when the USSR collapsed because they wanted careers “managing” global relations with them.

    Give me someone with a clear moral center.

  229. @Jonathan Mason
    @SimpleSong

    I wouldn't want to give him the death sentence for his Forrest Gump type antics, but on the other hand he needs to be made an example of to discourage others from showing up at political demonstrations with loaded weapons.

    After all, the reason why police forces don't want to call out the national guard to political demonstrations is the memory of Kent State, and the knowledge that the national guard cannot be trusted not to lose it like Rittenhouse did.

    Replies: @SimpleSong, @Reg Cæsar, @Morris Applebaum IV, @Alden

    Thousands of people came with guns mace and gallon jugs of gasoline and charcoal lighter to riot and burn down the town And you you Arab POS think Kyle should be only person punished because he brought a gun.

    Kyle, like everyone else has the right to be there.
    Unlike the vile obscenity Grosskreutz who lied and claimed to be a paramedic, Kyle was a real EMT with a valid certificate.

    Kyle was a 4 fold essential public safety worker. EMT, jr Ljfe guard, jr volunteer fire fighter and State of Illinois police explorer Which is a State Trooper program similar to the city police cadets and county sheriff cadets.
    His fire department gave him equipment to put out the arson fires AND, as a jr volunteer fireman he was trained to fight fires. Not the big blazes. But definitely smaller fires. Which if put out don’t develop into big blazes.

    And he had an EMT license. Emergency medical technician. Ambulance crew First responder long before the patient gets to the emergency room. Keeps people alive so they can get to the ER. Learned how to deliver babies.

    In San Mateo County California the swimming pools were closed for covid hoax March 7 2020 for covid hoax. The jr lifeguards EMTs in that county, some as young as 15 obviously didn’t still work at the swimming pools. But because
    In California, all the jr lifeguards are considered essential public safety workers like police firemen state troopers and every single medic from Drs to nurses aids and blood technicians the kids kept getting paychecks for months.

    BECAUSE JR LIFEGUARD EMTs ARE ESSENTIAL PUBLIC SAFETY WORKERS
    The also had zoom meetings and online training. Also were told where the meeting place was if they had to be called out. Filled out a form. Do you have your drivers license, Will parents let use their car?

    I intensely dislike the foreigners who know nothing about America and the American people and endlessly post their ignorance. Also sneer at Kyle because his parents are divorced. That’s not Kyle’s fault is it you POS.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Alden


    And you you Arab POS think Kyle should be only person punished because he brought a gun.
     
    He has not been charged because he brought a gun. He shot three people and killed two. Of course he is claiming self defense. Wouldn't you?

    By the way, seeing that my grandfather was murdered by Arabs 12 years before was born, I could potentially agree with you about Arabs being POS, but I am not an Arab.

    And he had an EMT license. Emergency medical technician. Ambulance crew First responder long before the patient gets to the emergency room. Keeps people alive so they can get to the ER. Learned how to deliver babies.
     
    No, he didn't. There are numerous sources that say that he was too young to have an EMT license in his home state, and witnesses testified that he claimed to be an EMT, but that it was not true. Please provide what you believe is evidence for your claim.

    Unlike the vile obscenity Grosskreutz who lied and claimed to be a paramedic, Kyle was a real EMT with a valid certificate.
     
    From 2013 to 2016, Grosskreutz attended Milwaukee Area Technical College at the Oak Creek, Wisconsin campus where he earned his emergency medical technician basic (EMT-B) certification. He may also have qualified as a paramedic, which is a longer course of study that usually requires an associate degree

    However later in 2016 he had a criminal conviction and it is possible that he lost his license at that time. It is also possible that he did not renew his license after he was injured in 2020. Anyway he also testified under oath that he had worked as an EMT and as far as I know you are the only person who has challenged the veracity of this.

    I would agree that it does not appear that he was employed as an EMT or paramedic on the night in question.

    I intensely dislike the foreigners who know nothing about America and the American people and endlessly post their ignorance. Also sneer at Kyle because his parents are divorced. That’s not Kyle’s fault is it you POS.
     
    Just as a point of information I am a US citizen and passed an examination to obtain same. Of course many people are grandfathered in and do not have to pass a test.

    My point about Kyle Rittenhouse being a minor and a person from an apparently dysfunctional home can be considered to be mitigation in his favor. Apparently Wisconsin is one of three states that does not consider 17-year-olds to be minors for purposes of criminal law, but if he was charged with a federal offense, he might be a minor.
  230. @countenance
    White guy shoots and kills white guys, and black people (et al) are making it a race issue, and are paying attention to the trial as if it was a race issue. Ironically, the Arbery trial is going on at the same time.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Clyde, @Eric Novak

    Blacks and lefty media said that hard hat-wearing Vietnam Vet right wingers who beat Hippie protesters in the late 1960s and early 1970s were really beating on blacks too.

  231. @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    Well, folks, the unthinkable has happened. Twinkie has a more moderate view on these people than me. I guess that really is a sign.
     
    You missed the implicit alternative in my polite request to them. ;)

    You know, “or else…”

    That said, you won’t see those of us with wife and children advocate or launch into mass violence lightly - even rhetorically. Fighting is surely a young man’s game, but watch out when old men with experiences get into it!

    Replies: @Alden, @nebulafox

    I don’t know much about shooting. But I doubt there is one adult man in America, military or Olympic shooting team who can do what Kyle did.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Alden


    I don’t know much about shooting. But I doubt there is one adult man in America, military or Olympic shooting team who can do what Kyle did.
     
    You don't know much about shooting, indeed. ;

    First of all, Olympic shooting is entirely static (either static target/static shooter or flying target/static shooter) and doesn't apply at all to this kind of situations. Playing paintball is more skill-relevant to CQB than "target shooting."

    Second, while this young man, Rittenhouse, was quite brave and seemingly cool-headed during the harrowing encounter with these three goons, keep in mind that he is no professional. There are lots of men in military and police who are extraordinarily proficient and experienced combat shooters with lots of trigger time. But that's what 20 years of war and the (domestic) urban jungle give you (I should also note that there has been a great deal of convergence technically on warring/soldiering and policing).

    Replies: @Alden

    , @John Johnson
    @Alden

    I don’t know much about shooting. But I doubt there is one adult man in America, military or Olympic shooting team who can do what Kyle did.

    No Alden you don't know much about shooting.

    Kyle showed incredible restraint under pressure but shooting an AR is pretty easy. At closer ranges you really can just shoot from the hip and get some hits on the target.

    Shooting a handgun is much harder, especially if you are moving.

  232. @Jonathan Mason
    Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his "job" was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from "dyslexia" (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle. If convicted will not be allowed to own firearms again.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @SimpleSong, @Sandy Berger's Socks, @Joe Stalin, @Mr. Anon, @Alden, @Anonymous, @Kylie, @John Johnson, @AnotherDad

    The lower lower lower middle class has to immigrate because he couldn’t make it in his own country sneering at the proles again.

    Kyle’s a better man than you you POS.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Thanks: magilla
  233. @Jack D
    @nebulafox


    Later Republican Roman history was clearly aware of Jews and talks about their strange ways at length with a mixture of contempt and respect.
     
    I was talking about an earlier period, when the events of the Bible were supposedly happening. There is some historical confirmation for certain Biblical personages and events, but not many.

    The Romans had great respect for things that were old and they regarding Judaism as a "real" religion and venerable religion. To them Christianity was fake, the way people used to think about Mormonism or still think about Scientology. To the Roman way of thinking, you couldn't just make up your own religion.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @John Johnson, @Johann Ricke, @Expletive Deleted

    The Romans had great respect for things that were old and they regarding Judaism as a “real” religion and venerable religion.

    A great respect for Judaism?

    Is that why they sacked the Holy temple? Ever seen the Arch of Titus?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @John Johnson

    The Romans had ruled in Judea thru proxies or directly since 63 BC or for almost 1.5 centuries before the revolt (which was started by the Jews). The Roman attitude toward conquered provinces and peoples in general was that if you submit to Roman rule we'll kind of leave you alone but if you resist we'll burn you to the ground. This was how warfare was conducted well into modern times - e.g. the Burning of Atlanta and the March to the Sea.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Ralph L

  234. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his "job" was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from "dyslexia" (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle. If convicted will not be allowed to own firearms again.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @SimpleSong, @Sandy Berger's Socks, @Joe Stalin, @Mr. Anon, @Alden, @Anonymous, @Kylie, @John Johnson, @AnotherDad

    1. Watch Kyle’s testimony on the stand. He doesn’t come across as stupid. No, he’s not Michael Sussman. But he’s a pretty poised kid, in a stressful situation. I do agree he had a bit of a hero complex. Not the worst thing in a young man. One of the reasons why you’re free is slightly naive kids like that joining the Marines. While you sit and type on the Internet.

    2. That’s silly about the disarming crap. These guys were thugs who saw a weaker guy and wanted to boot stomp his head. Oh….and I could literally (not how a millenial says it) crack your skull open and kill you with a skateboard.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Anonymous

    "Oh….and I could literally (not how a millenial says it) crack your skull open and kill you with a skateboard."

    And yet another Internet Tough Guy talks. The bottom line is when iSteve refers to Kyle as the "teen marksman", and his brothers and sisters in arms refer to Kyle as a hero, it only shows how they wish they themselves had the guts and guile to channel their rage against their ideological foes in Pinochet style fashion. But that is not going to happen, as their weapon of choice is not a firearm, but digital ink.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  235. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Call me childish if you want, but to me the child molester was a bad guy.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Rouetheday

    This reminds me of Norm McDonald’s quip that the more he learns about that Hitler fella the less he cares for him.

  236. @fnn
    https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1459168868144922627

    Replies: @Dube

    I was going to post a jibe that the world knows Kyle killed George Floyd, but now I wonder how many respondents in a poll would agree.

    • Replies: @Fidelios Automata
    @Dube

    Just like Saddam Hussein was piloting one of the planes that rammed into the Twin Towers!

  237. @Jonathan Mason
    Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his "job" was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from "dyslexia" (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle. If convicted will not be allowed to own firearms again.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @SimpleSong, @Sandy Berger's Socks, @Joe Stalin, @Mr. Anon, @Alden, @Anonymous, @Kylie, @John Johnson, @AnotherDad

    You will never be 1/100 of the man Kyle already is. In your stupidity, weakness and eagerness to smear your betters, you actually remind me of Prince Harry, certainly one of the most useless human beings now in the public eye.

    Both of you are truly vile creatures.

    • Thanks: JimDandy
  238. @nebulafox
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Sometimes in life, a spade is just a spade. There is such a thing as right and wrong, neatly bifurcated.

    This is one of those times.

    Do you support anarcho-tyranny guided by modern America's elites or not? That's what this case is really about.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    modern America’s elites

    Modern America’s “élites” are less responsible than Mr Rittenhouse and, for that matter, the late Mr Floyd.

    Who himself was smarter than Kamala, saner than Joe, and way more honest than Hillary. Shoot, even Rosenbaum was better than them.

  239. A child molester with a napolean complex that was just released from a mental hospital and is trying to kill you is indeed a bad guy.

    Yes the left thinks Kyle is the bad guy for going down there even if they have grudgingly accepted but will never admit that Rosenbaum had it coming.

    Bad/Good is relative to who you are and what you believe. The left would probably put us all on trains if they could and Steve would be given “special treatment” for being a Sith Lord.

    But people can generally agree that child molesters trying to kill you are bad.

  240. @Jonathan Mason
    Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his "job" was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from "dyslexia" (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle. If convicted will not be allowed to own firearms again.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @SimpleSong, @Sandy Berger's Socks, @Joe Stalin, @Mr. Anon, @Alden, @Anonymous, @Kylie, @John Johnson, @AnotherDad

    The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    The first man had threatened to kill him and was chasing him down. Kyle was trying to flee but the child molester was relentless.

    The guy with the skateboard tried to hit him with it. The mob would have beaten him into a coma if he connected.

    A skateboard is a skateboard. It becomes a weapon if you make it one.

    Kyle was running towards the police and was not an active shooter. The mob wanted a piece of him and didn’t think he would pull the trigger. What did you expect him to do? Lay down and take a mob beating?

    Kyle will walk. Time served at the most for the weapons charge.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @John Johnson


    A skateboard is a skateboard. It becomes a weapon if you make it one.
     
    This.
    , @Paperback Writer
    @John Johnson


    Kyle will walk. Time served at the most for the weapons charge.
     
    Don't be so sure. Don't base all of your conclusions on pro-Kyle tweeters and commenters.

    This might sink him.

    https://twitter.com/StacyStClair/status/1459226241752514562

    She is an anti-Kyle bitch. And a provocation instruction is simply that: an instruction. It's up to the jury to decide whether Kyle was provoked or did the provoking.

    I don't think Kyle provoked anyone (the opposite) AND he retreated. But even suggesting provocation worries me.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  241. @Mr. Anon
    @Verymuchalive


    What her future political career ( if any ) will be, I don’t know. Any suggestions?
     
    Her future political career can be predicted from this:

    https://www.weforum.org/people/tulsi-gabbard

    Just like this woman:

    https://www.weforum.org/people/leana-wen

    Or this one:

    https://www.weforum.org/people/jacinda-ardern

    She is not on our side.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    Thanks to you and the others for their suggestions. I honestly don’t know much about Gabbard or her background, and was intrigued that a “mainstream” politician was actually defending Rittenhouse. If she is aiming to work for the WEF, I don’t see how this tweet is helpful. Maybe we’ll find out what her motives were in the coming months. Or maybe not.

  242. degenerating into a childish Good Guys vs. Bad Guys dichotomy

    Childish dichotomy?

    A young man with no previous convictions protecting property from riots and acting in self-defence after being attacked

    vs.

    criminal rioting lowlife scum with several previous counts of child abuse.

    Seriously, it would be hard to get a more clear-cut example of Good vs Evil than that.

  243. @Alden
    @Twinkie

    I don’t know much about shooting. But I doubt there is one adult man in America, military or Olympic shooting team who can do what Kyle did.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @John Johnson

    I don’t know much about shooting. But I doubt there is one adult man in America, military or Olympic shooting team who can do what Kyle did.

    You don’t know much about shooting, indeed. ;

    First of all, Olympic shooting is entirely static (either static target/static shooter or flying target/static shooter) and doesn’t apply at all to this kind of situations. Playing paintball is more skill-relevant to CQB than “target shooting.”

    Second, while this young man, Rittenhouse, was quite brave and seemingly cool-headed during the harrowing encounter with these three goons, keep in mind that he is no professional. There are lots of men in military and police who are extraordinarily proficient and experienced combat shooters with lots of trigger time. But that’s what 20 years of war and the (domestic) urban jungle give you (I should also note that there has been a great deal of convergence technically on warring/soldiering and policing).

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Twinkie

    Yes, I’m aware that Olympic and other contest shooting is shooting at targets . So is everyone on earth.

    And I really doubt any military man could do what Kyle did. As for police sheriffs state troopers and the feds. I doubt it. You’re in a fantasy world about SWAT teams and the FBI Len Horouchi who murdered Sammy and Vicki Weaver was a static shooter shooting through a door at Vicki and standing behind a bush when he shot 14 year old Sammy. Difficult to miss a door.

    The MEN Of UNZ the MEN OF UNZ endlessly playing with their guns the way little girls play with their Barbie dolls. And reading gun magazines and websites the way any hobbyist reads about his hobby.

    And how much did you donate to the Rittenhouse defense fund fake macho man?

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Twinkie

  244. @Jonathan Mason
    Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his "job" was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from "dyslexia" (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Jack D, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @RobinG, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Paul Mendez, @Hibernian, @Twinkie, @Paperback Writer, @danand

    The first man he shot was unarmed

    I wouldn’t need a sidearm or a weapon of any kind to unleash lethal force on you or anyone else. And I am hardly the only one.

    Get this stupid trope of “Oh, no, he’s ‘unarmed,’ so you can’t use a weapon on him!” out of your brain. What matters first both in terms of survival or legality isn’t the presence of a weapon, but that of aggression.

    I don’t know what the numbers are today, but for quite a while, a leading manner that LEOs punched a ticket to the grave was some “unarmed” perp taking the officer’s gun and shooting him.

    • Thanks: Hibernian
  245. @Elmer T. Jones
    @Alfa158

    Clearly there is an element of racism in this case :

    Washington Post Headline : Judge in Kyle Rittenhouse trial faces backlash from ‘Asian food’ joke: ‘Definitely not okay’

    WISN ABC News : 'They're very slanted': Prosecution questions credibility of defense witness in Rittenhouse trial

    In other reports the judge is being "slammed" for his ringtone. How exactly does slamming and backlashing work?

    Replies: @Alden

    The Witchfinder General would burn me at the stake if he she it heard my playlist. Rally round the Bonnie Blue Flag, I’m a good ol rebel I hate that striped banner and everything it stands for we killed 300 thousand and I wish we killed more, Virgil Caine of course. 2nd best a 1920s recording by confederate veterans of the Rebel Yell. It sounds like the Indian war cries in the old westerns Yip Yip Yip.

    And my very mostest bestest. The national anthem of the greatest man of the 20th century, my hero of heroes General Francisco Franco and his Nationalist Party . Only two countries ever rested a communist invasion and destroyed the commies. Finland in a short war and Spain in a long and difficult war in which the communists were backed by every liberal in Europe and America

  246. @Twinkie
    @Alden


    I don’t know much about shooting. But I doubt there is one adult man in America, military or Olympic shooting team who can do what Kyle did.
     
    You don't know much about shooting, indeed. ;

    First of all, Olympic shooting is entirely static (either static target/static shooter or flying target/static shooter) and doesn't apply at all to this kind of situations. Playing paintball is more skill-relevant to CQB than "target shooting."

    Second, while this young man, Rittenhouse, was quite brave and seemingly cool-headed during the harrowing encounter with these three goons, keep in mind that he is no professional. There are lots of men in military and police who are extraordinarily proficient and experienced combat shooters with lots of trigger time. But that's what 20 years of war and the (domestic) urban jungle give you (I should also note that there has been a great deal of convergence technically on warring/soldiering and policing).

    Replies: @Alden

    Yes, I’m aware that Olympic and other contest shooting is shooting at targets . So is everyone on earth.

    And I really doubt any military man could do what Kyle did. As for police sheriffs state troopers and the feds. I doubt it. You’re in a fantasy world about SWAT teams and the FBI Len Horouchi who murdered Sammy and Vicki Weaver was a static shooter shooting through a door at Vicki and standing behind a bush when he shot 14 year old Sammy. Difficult to miss a door.

    The MEN Of UNZ the MEN OF UNZ endlessly playing with their guns the way little girls play with their Barbie dolls. And reading gun magazines and websites the way any hobbyist reads about his hobby.

    And how much did you donate to the Rittenhouse defense fund fake macho man?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Alden

    And I really doubt any military man could do what Kyle did. As for police sheriffs state troopers and the feds. I doubt it. You’re in a fantasy world about SWAT teams and the FBI Len Horouchi who murdered Sammy and Vicki Weaver was a static shooter shooting through a door at Vicki and standing behind a bush when he shot 14 year old Sammy. Difficult to miss a door.

    That FBI clusterf--k has no bearing on this case.

    Kyle shot everyone at point blank range. Go shoot a man sized target with an AR15 at 5 yards. It's really easy. I can easily shoot an AR with one hand. They only weigh around 7 pounds.

    The MEN Of UNZ the MEN OF UNZ endlessly playing with their guns the way little girls play with their Barbie dolls.

    I've been violently attacked twice and kept my cool each time. Why do you think some of us are so motivated against clown town? Anyone that has lived downtown in one of our major cities has had to deal with some type of violence. We had a rapist on the loose near our townhouse and the local clown police didn't want to describe him as Black or alert the city media. They actually put out a blog alert that said WATCH OUT FOR A MALE RAPIST.

    , @Twinkie
    @Alden


    You’re in a fantasy world
     
    One of us certainly is.
  247. @Reg Cæsar
    @anonymous coward



    Judeo/Christian
     
    What the 🫂 is that and why did you use this God-awful word?
     
    I have never met a Christian, of any stripe, who didn't accept, if not embrace the Old Testament.

    Christian = 20-century tradition
    Judeo-Christian = 60-century tradition

    Yes, Jews use the term in a more contemporary sense versus the historical sense used by Christians. They seek allies while we seek more time.

    The old joke is that Britons think 200 miles is a long way, while/whilst Americans think 200 years is a long time. Different perspectives.

    Replies: @Jack D, @John Johnson, @Roger

    I have never met a Christian, of any stripe, who didn’t accept, if not embrace the Old Testament.

    No. Many Christians, if not most, reject the Old Testament. Christianity is a rejection of Judaism. Judaism and Christianity have very little in common.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Roger


    Christianity is a rejection of Judaism.
     
    It affirms Christ Whom Judaism rejects. It does not reject the OT.

    Jesus came to fulfill the Law, not to do away with it.
  248. @Ralph L
    @LondonBob

    the three were almost caricatures of lowlifes

    The one-winger was an EMT, but he sure looks ridden hard and put away wet for 27.

    Replies: @Alden

    Minion of Satan Grosskreutz claims to be a paramedic, more skilled, a higher level license than an EMT which Kyle is although I’m sure Illinois will pull his EMT license if it hasn’t already.

    Someone should check State of Wisconsin para medic website and see if Grosskreuz really is a paramedic. He may have taken a 4 hour first aid course at some point but I doubt it.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Alden

    I checked Wisconsin EMT Paramedic license verification . Gaige Grosskreuz name was Not Found . Record was 0-0 of 0

    I never watch TV news or look at liberal sites. But I’ve gathered that a lot of fake news media and Facebook social media minions of Satan insist Grosskreutz was a paramedic and went to the riot to care for the injured. Like Florence Nightingale went to the Crimean war.

    Liberals just make up lies and people believe it.

    Big cross His name should be big pentagram symbol of the devil 👿 and evil.

    Replies: @anon

  249. @Ganderson
    “…due to their high verbal skills and often a high level of success in schooling…”

    Schooling is the correct word- rather than education.

    This is an important point- I doubt, Dave, there are many unintelligent people with degrees in, say, Physics, but there are tons of 4.0s in the softer disciplines, who are, not to put too fine a point on it, not all that bright, and who look with utter contempt on the science majors, or people who do what I’d call useful work. I live in a college town, and that attitude of sneering condescension toward the “lower orders” is pervasive. (Don’t get me started on the disdain the women’s studies types have for stay at home moms)

    I should point out here, that I fit the description of overeducated boob- both my grandfathers, one a Swedish immigrant brass caster, the other a Wabasha County, MN watermelon farmer, would be disgusted by my lack of practical knowledge, and my inability to do anything with my hands. Putting together IKEA furniture tests the limits of my mechanical abilities.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @John Johnson, @Buffalo Joe, @Reg Cæsar, @Bumpkin

    both my grandfathers, one a Swedish immigrant brass caster, the other a Wabasha County, MN watermelon farmer, would be disgusted by my lack of practical knowledge, and my inability to do anything with my hands. Putting together IKEA furniture tests the limits of my mechanical abilities.

    Eh, that was the practical knowledge of their time: today it would be writing networking software or knowing how to use CAD software to design a computer chip or electrical motor. The world has gotten a lot more specialized, so as long as you practice some skill that ultimately faces the harsh discipline of the real world, you’re good.

    Dave doesn’t say this outright but many in the STEM fields too are shielded from the real world, whether Physics university professors who fantasize about unfalsifiable theories like string theory or the blue-haired “web design” dimwits who threw tantrums till the more technically-adept James Damore was thrown out of google.

    You can be a HS teacher who engages with the real world or a Physicist who doesn’t: the critical factor is “lack of ability to deal with the real world,” not what field you’re in.

  250. @anon
    Fox News has mentioned the dead and wounded victims were convicted child molestors or domestic abusers. But most of the public is in the dark.

    But the AP hints at it and almost spills the beans:

    MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — An effort by prosecutors at Kyle Rittenhouse’s murder trial to portray one of the men he shot as a hero never got off the ground Friday — and one legal expert said they were probably fortunate it didn’t.

    Rittenhouse, 18, is on trial on several counts including homicide in the August 2020 shootings during street unrest in Kenosha. Among the dead was Anthony Huber, a 26-year-old protester who was seen on bystander video hitting Rittenhouse with a skateboard before he was fatally shot.

    Huber’s great-aunt, Susan Hughes, was testifying about Huber in a matter-of-fact manner, talking about their relationship, how he ended up at the protest and how he always carried a skateboard.

    Then prosecutor James Kraus posed a question: “We’ve seen video here, and you may have seen video as well, that Anthony Huber ran towards Kyle Rittenhouse while Kyle Rittenhouse was armed. Were you surprised, when you heard about that? Were you surprised by his actions?”

    As defense attorney Corey Chirafisi swiftly objected, Kraus posed another: “Had you ever seen Anthony Huber run towards danger?”

    Hughes said, “Yes,” before Chirafisi objected again and testimony was stopped.

    Without the jurors present, Chirafisi argued that if prosecutors were allowed to present evidence that characterizes Huber as a peaceful man, then the defense would be allowed to bring up evidence from Huber’s past that could paint a different picture.

    That included criminal cases involving alleged violence Huber committed against his own family members, with the defense reciting in courtroom a detailed account of those allegations.

    “I would normally not move to admit those,” Chirafisi said. “However, if they’re saying that this is a peaceful man... .”

    Judge Bruce Schroeder agreed, and Kraus withdrew the line of questioning, effectively ending Hughes’ testimony.

     

    Whereas Fox News gets right at it:

    A convicted child rapist called Joseph Rosenbaum was released from a mental hospital, then went directly to join the mob that was burning downtown Kenosha. Once he got to the riot, Rosenbaum saw Kyle Rittenhouse and immediately threatened to kill him.

     

    So, yes ... depending on your News Source, it is two different trials.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Expletive Deleted

    Pedo manlet/Rosenbaum was already tag-teaming with Ziminski/Gun hobo (and his bag-o-rocks toting consort; dunno if that was his wife or what, can’t stand to examine them for too long) before the orc horde was unleashed into the city.

    Z was waving his pistol around the whole time like Johnny Tyler. Before the rioters were even ordered into action, and he definitely fired the first shot of the night, which spooked the cornered Kid.
    The pair of them seem to have worked out a primitive ambush strategy for lone patriots beforehand.
    But they didn’t count on Kyle being so damn good at his appointed task.

    I’ve no info on whether these two creeps knew each other previously. I imagine they each had lots of normal, sane and civilized friends, and not that maggots tend to settle together at the bottom of the garbage pail.

  251. @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    Your obsessions are yours, not those of normal people.
     
    Who says they are obsessions, rather than just observations? You? You are not a normal person.

    Can't somebody even mention the word "zionist" without you shaking your chain? Or is somebody jerking your chain for you?

    Replies: @Verymuchalive, @Art Deco

    Observations are what Maestro Steve calls “noticing”. If these people object to mere observations re Zionism by commenters like us, they must surely object to Steve noticing things re Zionism. Here is my observation – noticed by Steve many times. Zionist Neocons, overwhelmingly Jewish, have been in complete control of US defence and foreign policy since the Clinton Administration. This has been disastrous for America, and dangerous to other countries. This is a logical inference from the facts.

    So why is this small group of commenters – you know who they are, as I do – still plugging away when they obviously object to Steve noticing such things? They aren’t hasbara trolls: they would be far more obvious and disruptive. Their attempts at obfuscation are useless. Their activity seems pointless.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Verymuchalive

    Zionist Neocons, overwhelmingly Jewish, have been in complete control of US defence and foreign policy since the Clinton Administration.

    Try (1) defining your terms beforehand and then (2) coming up with a name.

    , @JimDandy
    @Verymuchalive

    There are many shades of hasbara operating on different levels of effectiveness We've got a few white-belts floating around here.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

  252. @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Personally, I think that’s one of my most important intellectual contributions, but nobody else does because it seems too dumb to be true: Good Guys vs. Bad Guys? C’mon, it must instead have something to do with the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism.
     
    Well, I think it is more complicated than this - the CRT talk has gotten at some underlying reality, and that is that Americans on the left of the political sphere and who now near exclusively populate American institutions of influence have adopted a morality which was fashioned in the Universities in the wake of critical theory as popularized by academic all stars like Foucault. This is clearly the root of "critical race theory" and a dozen other "studies" schools which have bored their way into the academic firmament. Naturally, inverting power relationships in matters like criminal justice (which often requires ignoring the physical and violent power of perpetrators) is in many cases just going to end in switching white hats and black hats such that they're opposite of the perceptions of people in a normal healthy society.

    So if your method of analyzing a transaction is to identify the actors by their relative social "power," and you're doing it in the place of actual legal analysis of the transaction, many times you're going to end up inverting the good guy (guy acting according to law) and the bad guy (guy breaking law).

    This is of course why when the Trayvon Martin affair became national news the Press made a point to brand Zimmerman a "white Hispanic" so that there was no gray area when deciding who had power and who was oppressed.

    In the Rittenhouse case, it was important to impose the brand "white supremacist" upon him from the outset. And now that they can no longer ignore the clear videotaped evidence, all of the left wing legal analysts ignore the salient issues from a self-defense perspective - i.e., Rittenhouse was retreating, while first Rosenbaum and then a pack of pursuers including Huber and Grosskreutz were chasing him. In all cases Rittenhouse was running away, and he only shot when Rosenbaum closed the distance to him, and later after an unidentified pursuer knocked him to the ground while he was retreating and then the pursuers including Huber and Grosskreutz swarmed him. Note that his testimony, and the facts as known from the incident are that Rittenhouse was retreating towards the police line. So the intent of his pursuers can be inferred - they wanted to get him and dispense their street justice before he reached the police line.

    So the left wing legal analysts are left with legally hollow arguments about "weapons of war" and "state lines" and "proud boys" because they're incapable of assessing the fact that Rittenhouse's retreat, and his attackers' pursuit of him are the legally material facts which dispose of the murder charges against him due to overwhelming evidence of self defense. Rosenbaum, a white presenting man with a Jewish surname who freely dropped the ultimate, unutterable racial slur on videotape several times is proposed to be the victim of a white supremacist killer in this scenario. The presentation of the facts of the case putting the prospect of a conviction in doubt once those facts have been exposed in a forum that the Press could no longer ignore, they're flailing to recover some leverage by declaring the Judge's anodyne legal Americanism (enforcing the Fifth Amendment, quoting the Bible and Abraham Lincoln) and his phone's ring tone as dispositive evidence that he, too, is a white supremacist in anticipation that Rittenhouse may be acquitted.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks

    “they’re flailing to recover some leverage”

    Excellent summary!

  253. @anonymous

    American thought is degenerating
     
    It's hard to tell what American thought really is. We're looking at media representations which simplify things into two dimensional conflicts of good vs bad. It's easier that way and doesn't require any deep thinking. Half the population is mentally average or below so don't expect any great depth of thought from them. The major media tried to bypass the sordid backgrounds of those who attacked Rittenhouse since it might ping on people's radar that things are a little more complicated than the preferred narrative. Media have evolved into just a propaganda sound machine with sports, celebrity worship and gossip thrown in to keep a share of the public tuned in. Visual presentations such as television news, movies are not conducive to imparting much depth. Instagram, Facebook don't require any great attention span.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Half the population is mentally average or below so don’t expect any great depth of thought from them.

    But the half of the population that is mentally above average is most prone to accepting the dominant narrative without question. I talk to mechanics and carpenters who have a much clearer understanding of reality than do members of the professional class.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Harry Baldwin


    ...mechanics and carpenters...
     
    Are generally above the 50% mark, especially the mechanics. Many quite far above.
  254. @JimDandy
    @Inquiring Mind

    Not everything, but I would appreciate some clarification here. I don't think he was being parodic when he made fun of people who reference The Frankfurt School in this context. The commenter I was responding to wrote:

    "Steve, I thought Frankfurt School liturgy was Good Guys v Bad Guys based on complexion — “if rather swarthy, but never mind that” — and continent of origin.
    With an “honorary” Good Guy” designation for Ice People who grovel."

    I don't think the Left's conception of "Bad Guys" evolved totally independent of the influence of Cultural Marxist propaganda.

    But I do think Steve understands that the people Kyle shot were genuine bad guys. I mean three career criminals--a serial boy-rapist, a serial domestic abuser who strangled and suffocated loved ones and once put a butcher knife to his brother's stomach and threatened to "gut him like a pig," and a guy who was convicted of beating up his own grandma... I looked up "Bad Guys" in the dictionary and found all three of their pics.

    Replies: @Alden

    Typical anti fa , a week away from being homeless mentally ill drunk drugged violent criminal history arrogant liberals. When I was young the not greatest generation looked at the hippy generation and predicted the children of the hippies would end up just like anti fa. They were right except than anti fa is the grandchildren of the hippy generation.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Alden

    Agreed. But I believe the accusations that scum like that are paid or given material incentives of some sort by Big Money organizers, and I'm curious why no major expose has shown this.

  255. @Harry Baldwin
    @anonymous

    Half the population is mentally average or below so don’t expect any great depth of thought from them.

    But the half of the population that is mentally above average is most prone to accepting the dominant narrative without question. I talk to mechanics and carpenters who have a much clearer understanding of reality than do members of the professional class.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    …mechanics and carpenters…

    Are generally above the 50% mark, especially the mechanics. Many quite far above.

  256. @John Johnson
    @Jonathan Mason

    The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    The first man had threatened to kill him and was chasing him down. Kyle was trying to flee but the child molester was relentless.

    The guy with the skateboard tried to hit him with it. The mob would have beaten him into a coma if he connected.

    A skateboard is a skateboard. It becomes a weapon if you make it one.

    Kyle was running towards the police and was not an active shooter. The mob wanted a piece of him and didn't think he would pull the trigger. What did you expect him to do? Lay down and take a mob beating?

    Kyle will walk. Time served at the most for the weapons charge.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Paperback Writer

    A skateboard is a skateboard. It becomes a weapon if you make it one.

    This.

  257. @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    Your obsessions are yours, not those of normal people.
     
    Who says they are obsessions, rather than just observations? You? You are not a normal person.

    Can't somebody even mention the word "zionist" without you shaking your chain? Or is somebody jerking your chain for you?

    Replies: @Verymuchalive, @Art Deco

    Can’t somebody even mention the word “zionist” without you shaking your chain?

    His stated opinion is that Tulsi Gabbard’s career is toast because of ‘zionists’. That’s a lunatic remark, for obvious reasons. She retired from Congress quite voluntarily and only a modest minority of federal legislators have a turn at higher office, whether zionists care for them or not. That aside, Gabbard has no history of hostility to Israel, just some mild criticism. Democratic voters put up with the likes of Barack Obama, who actually does despise Israel but had to work with members of Congress who do not. They’re not going to notice something Gabbard said about riot control tactics.

    I’m the one answering him because you have a small corps of people who have a habit of remarking on the lunacy here. Someone else does it, I can skip to the next comment.

    You are not a normal person.

    You have issues, Mr. Anon. I’m not taking complaints from you.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    @Art Deco


    Gabbard has no history of hostility to Israel
     
    More's the pity.
    , @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    That aside, Gabbard has no history of hostility to Israel, just some mild criticism.
     
    The same thing in the eyes of many people.

    You have issues, Mr. Anon. I’m not taking complaints from you.
     
    No, I'm just fine. You, on the other hand, are an insufferable stuffed-shirt prig.
    , @JimDandy
    @Art Deco

    My God, you're a fucking joke. Gabbard's activism re: Syria, Assad, Anti-Assad propaganda, etc. was seen as hostile by Israel and her many minions. Who the hell do you think you're fooling?

  258. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jonathan Mason

    Nah. He did just fine with the AR. Just wish he'd aimed a little more left with Grosskreutz.

    Replies: @RobinG, @Paul Mendez, @Corvinus

    “Nah. He did just fine with the AR. Just wish he’d aimed a little more left with Grosskreutz.”

    Ah yes, quaffing your mint julip as you desperately try to convince yourself that you could pull a Kyle in a pinch. Stick to chasing ambulances, that is your lot in life.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  259. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Like others have pointed out Steve, you are a nice, terrific guy. I'm proud you're my countryman and I bet you'd make a great neighbor. But the Left is completely off its rocker at this point. Even a free-spirited gal like Krysten Sinema and a sweet, patriotic flower child like Tulsi Gabbard are appalled at them and of course, the Left wants them tortured to death.

    Leftism is a mental illness. Remember Portland's "Autonomous Zone?" They were trying to grow a vegetable garden without tools in potting soil dumped on cardboard. They're pathological children who exist at the sufferance of civilization--to which they add nothing. The three human wrecks that Kyle Rittenhouse out-fought were bipolar freaks. Or how about Rand Paul's unhinged neighbor? Look at Jim Carey's twisted paintings, Shia LaBouef's bizarre behavior, Kathy Griffin's demonic pose. These are not well people.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “The three human wrecks that Kyle Rittenhouse out-fought were bipolar freaks. Or how about Rand Paul’s unhinged neighbor? Look at Jim Carey’s twisted paintings, Shia LaBouef’s bizarre behavior, Kathy Griffin’s demonic pose. These are not well people.”

    The mark of a lawyer.

    1. Use extreme instances to designate them as being “the norm”.

    2. Demonize anyone who is other than on their side ideologically as a mortal enemy who is “mentally ill”.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Corvinus

    You are not well either.

    , @Negrolphin Pool
    @Corvinus

    I'm acquainted with a diehard mudshark — real cornrow John McClane — who's currently on day 5 in the ICU: windpipe crushed by strangulation. A quick survey of her FB posts shows the latter stages of the usual leftwarped spiral into the poop tank.

    Race mixing, inverting natural order (affirmative action), dysgenic pay-to-slay booty-mamma welfare, elimination of only known effective crime deterrents...the rest of the mainstream Democratic platform are all objectively harmful to whites who advocate them.

    Voluntarily engaging in behavior that will lead to death, of the group if not indeed the very individual, is not just a good definition of mental illness but of its worst forms.

  260. @Chris Mallory
    @Jonathan Mason

    You haven't followed much of the trial. Rittenhouse is a good bet to walk on the felonies and the minor in possession of a firearm charge is 50/50 tossup if you read the Wisconsin law.

    Now the Feds might try to hit him with the straw purchase, but they haven't yet.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Alden, @gandydancer

    Now the Feds might try to hit him with the straw purchase, but they haven’t yet.

    They can try anything with the end of the protection against double jeopardy, don’t they use some catch-all “deprivation of civil rights” law?

    While I’m not familiar with the law, this doesn’t fit the normal straw purchase pattern, nor his stated and necessary plan once he would have turned 18. The gun was owned and most of the time stayed in the possession of his friend, really ex-friend by necessity since the prosecution is trying to nail him with one or more very serious felonies and he testified against Rittenhouse. The plan was that he’d get the necessary Illinois FOID once he became eligible, then do a proper NICS checked transfer in Illinois.

    The normal pattern is the ineligible perp hands the money to the straw purchaser and then immediately gets the gun in return.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    @That Would Be Telling

    The law against straw purchases is fairly strict. Read up on Abramski v. United States. While Rittenhouse did not make the purchase he provided the money and his friend bought the weapon. His friend will probably go down on the straw purchase charge, even though those charges are seldom pursued.

    I could see the Federal Attorneys trying to bypass the Double Jeopardy protection by charging Rittenhouse with that old Federal standby "Conspiracy to violate the law" .

    Taking the firearm back to Illinois would have violated both Federal and state laws. Interstate transfers have to be handled by a FFL dealer. That FFL transfer has to follow the laws of both states and only applies to long guns.
    I live in Kentucky and have seen several out of state purchases by Illinois buyers. They have to provide their Illinois FOID card to the KY dealer then the dealer has to follow the Illinois requirement to hold the firearm for a waiting period, 48 hours I think but I could be wrong on that.

    The way the law is written a resident of California trying to buy an AR style rifle in Texas would be limited to rifles legal under California law.
    A few years ago, the ATF was running stings where they would contact private citizens in Indiana or Kentucky offering a firearm for sale then attempting to buy as an Illinois resident. Easy violation of Federal gun laws.
    Handguns can only be purchase in state.
    In Kentucky, I can sell either an handgun or a long gun face to face without a background check to any other Kentucky resident that I have no knowledge is a prohibited person.

  261. @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer

    They should have done that 200 years ago. Would've solved all kinds of problems. And the cotton would get picked.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Shoulda woulda coulda.

    Didn’t happen. We’re all in the plantation now and one Kenosha away from the whole thing being burned down.

    Hank Newsome just warned the mayor of America’s largest city who’s in charge.

    Personally, I’m approaching John Nolte territory – let Democrat towns burn.

    If BLM fucks up NYC, even the libs might come to some sort of sanity because libs all have two countries: their own (which isn’t a country, their own progressive ghetto) and New York.

    And if BLM goes nuts, please have them riot in SoHo and the Upper East Side. I think I’m pretty safe in my own obscure area.

    Gary from Gramercy: if you’re reading this, I think you’re safe too. The BLM retards don’t know from Gramercy.

    • Replies: @Fidelios Automata
    @Paperback Writer

    That oddball John Mark who founded the Propertarian idea and then flaked out -- it's not a bad one. Separate all the blue cities from the rest of the country. Give them autonomy and let them run their areas into the ground. Strictly police immigration (if any) into the rest of the country.

  262. @RobinG
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    By any chance are you dyslexic? More to the left would have missed entirely.

    Also, the “Autonomous Zone?” was in Seattle.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    By any chance are you dyslexic?

    Probably.

    Also, the “Autonomous Zone?” was in Seattle.

    Portland, Seattle, wherever on the freak coast.

  263. @Negrolphin Pool
    @Jack D

    The plain language of the minor in possession of gun charge, charged in adult court as being a minor, means that he cannot be convicted due to an exemption for 17 year olds using long-barreled guns.

    The prosecution is clairvoyantly arguing that the legislators actually meant and when they wrote or, and the jury should therefore ignore what the law says, read the worst possible interpretation for the criminal defendant into their extratextual theory and convict KR.

    Replies: @Negrolphin Pool, @Jack D

    *that should be “actually meant ‘or’ when they wrote ‘and’.”

  264. @Corvinus
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "The three human wrecks that Kyle Rittenhouse out-fought were bipolar freaks. Or how about Rand Paul’s unhinged neighbor? Look at Jim Carey’s twisted paintings, Shia LaBouef’s bizarre behavior, Kathy Griffin’s demonic pose. These are not well people."

    The mark of a lawyer.

    1. Use extreme instances to designate them as being "the norm".

    2. Demonize anyone who is other than on their side ideologically as a mortal enemy who is "mentally ill".

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Negrolphin Pool

    You are not well either.

  265. @That Would Be Telling
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    You are allowed to shoot as many people attacking you, armed or unarmed, as you want until the attacks stop.
     
    To use a bit of Andrew Branca's framework, Proportionality is a critical factor I think you assumed, these must be attacks of lethal force.

    In some states you may be legally required to attempt to flee the danger if possible, in other states you may stand your ground.
     
    Wisconsin happens to be a "Stand Your Ground" state, but it's irrelevant in this case because Rosenbaum per forensic evidence most certainly executed his ambush well, closed to contact distance and Rittenhouse fired after he got his hand on the muzzle.

    After that anybody who tries to disarm you is acting in self-defense.
     
    Since they are furthering Rosenbaum's attempt to murder Rittenhouse. They thought the above fact pattern was reversed? Sucks to be them, and it's not at all clear that fact pattern would have given them a hunting license. Especially since, you know, Rittenhouse was moving to the police line, fat lot of good that did him (they refused to accept his surrender, then again they didn't freak out with him you know having a rifle he'd by his own admission just used, maybe they even saw it go down??? Of course the sorts of people with guns they have to worry about are not ones like him).

    And getting back to the irrelevance of Stand Your Ground, the mob felled Rittenhouse, Huber with a strike to the neck with his dual-use skateboard, and someone hit him in the head with concrete they were holding. At the point he was on the ground he physically could not retreat. And:

    Wrong: They are still classified as active attackers and are legally subject to immediate termination.
     
    Presenting the threat of lethal force to Rittenhouse, he was allowed to reply in kind. And not, for example, shoot Grosskreutz again once he realized he'd all but literally disarmed him. After wasting Huber, which Grosskreutz justified on the stand, and very bloodily destroying Grosskreutz's bicep, just pointing the rifle at the other would be attackers had the desired deterrent effect, he didn't need to shoot again.

    That fact pattern of not shooting after he didn't need to is one of the things that helps Rittenhouse's claim of self-defense, assuming the law will have any bearing on the verdict.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Paperback Writer

    And getting back to the irrelevance of Stand Your Ground, the mob felled Rittenhouse,

    I thought he tripped.

    (In the process of running from a bloodthirsty mob.)

  266. @Jonathan Mason
    Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his "job" was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from "dyslexia" (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Jack D, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @RobinG, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Paul Mendez, @Hibernian, @Twinkie, @Paperback Writer, @danand

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his “job” was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    The group he was part of wasn’t hired. Where did you get that? The Khindi brothers perjured themselves on the stand. They were obviously evasive and frightened and were terrible witnesses, pretending to be un-fluent in English. Their testimony was utterly impeached by defense witnesses who demonstrated that the Khindis asked them to protect their property. They were videoed as being entirely fluent in English.

    • Thanks: Alden
    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    @Paperback Writer

    The Khindi father committed suicide after the insurance company refused to pay what they claimed were $2.5 million in riot losses. Maybe an understanding was reached with his sons that in exchange for their testimony against Rittenhouse, compensation would be provided.

  267. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Verymuchalive

    "Tulsi Gabbard"

    A coalition is building between sensible, moderate liberals and sensible, moderate conservatives. People who want to live in a free society. Those consumed by fear and authoritarian fantasies will not be given a passport.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    A coalition is building between sensible, moderate liberals and sensible, moderate conservatives.

    Who like Gabbard and Wang are explicit about wanting to take our guns (Wang believes this is necessary because Americans are going to get so angry at successful Chinese people we’ll just start killing them out of hand, that’s also what the UBI bribe is about; as you’d expect from an urban? paper American, he doesn’t understand “core Americans” at all.).

    People who want to live in a free society.

    See above, they demonstrably want to be on top and those below them will be subjects/serfs. You can only say this by redefining reality.

    Those consumed by fear and authoritarian fantasies will not be given a passport.

    Especially these people they label as evil, who will be given “passports” straight into mass graves.

    No sale, and in times like these, “the centre cannot hold.”

  268. @PhysicistDave
    @Shouting Thomas

    Shouting Thomas wrote:


    I talk to the lefty kids on Twitter.

    They feel entitled to commit violence. It’s their God given right.

    They have zero religious indoctrination, and no understanding of Judeo/Christian morality and law, but they are utterly contemptuous of both.
     
    Well, y'know, the Chinese have no "understanding of Judeo/Christian morality" either, but they did not behave like our Leftists, at least not until they imported Marxism from the West (okay, or maybe when they imported a weird perversion of Christianity in the Taiping Rebellion).

    We need to seriously try to understand what is wrong with the Left psychologically.

    There was no real Left before the French Revolution. What seems to have happened is that a bunch of people who were verbally intelligent and often highly schooled but who were lacking in any actual skill in dealing with physical reality decided that they did not have the power they deserved. And so they decided to get that power.

    I think this description nicely fits Robespierre and his cronies, Marx, the Bolsheviks, and our current Woke Left.

    It's a curious amalgam between extreme arrogance (due to their high verbal skills and often a high level of success in schooling) and extreme insecurity (due to their lack of ability to deal with the real world -- how many hard-core Leftists can repair an airplane engine or engage in high-rise construction or design an integrated circuit?).

    Leftists tend to be both highly successful by some of the standards of modern society (schooling and credentials) and also abysmal failures (in terms of their inability to deal with unfiltered, unmediated physical reality).

    As the Old Left would have said there is, like, a "dialectical contradiction" here!

    Reality is complicated, and no doubt there is no single explanation that explains the pathology of the Left. But I think this simple schema explains a lot.

    Those of us who are anti-Leftists have tended to attack their ideas while letting the Left attack us personally (often in a quite literal, physical sense).

    We need to see that the problem with the Left is not intellectual error: intellectually, their ideas have always been obvious nonsense.

    No, the problem is one of character: they are warped psychologically and emotionally.

    Leftism is a psychological illness of Western modernity.

    The Left cannot be defeated until normal, decent people come to grips with that fact.

    Replies: @Shouting Thomas, @Anonymous, @nebulafox, @S. Anonyia, @Negrolphin Pool, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @James Speaks

    Socialist “thinkers” can’t do math and science; it is too difficult to learn. They conclude it is beneath them and they create feel good pseudo science. Then they conclude they’re right.

    I once gave a presentation on philosophy. My conclusion: periodically, philosophy abandons its past in order to take a new direction. New dogma replaces old dogma.

    Science doesn’t do that; it validates its history.

    My presentation was not well received.

  269. @Corvinus
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "The three human wrecks that Kyle Rittenhouse out-fought were bipolar freaks. Or how about Rand Paul’s unhinged neighbor? Look at Jim Carey’s twisted paintings, Shia LaBouef’s bizarre behavior, Kathy Griffin’s demonic pose. These are not well people."

    The mark of a lawyer.

    1. Use extreme instances to designate them as being "the norm".

    2. Demonize anyone who is other than on their side ideologically as a mortal enemy who is "mentally ill".

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Negrolphin Pool

    I’m acquainted with a diehard mudshark — real cornrow John McClane — who’s currently on day 5 in the ICU: windpipe crushed by strangulation. A quick survey of her FB posts shows the latter stages of the usual leftwarped spiral into the poop tank.

    Race mixing, inverting natural order (affirmative action), dysgenic pay-to-slay booty-mamma welfare, elimination of only known effective crime deterrents…the rest of the mainstream Democratic platform are all objectively harmful to whites who advocate them.

    Voluntarily engaging in behavior that will lead to death, of the group if not indeed the very individual, is not just a good definition of mental illness but of its worst forms.

    • LOL: Corvinus
  270. @Kratoklastes
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Agree, but it goes deeper than that.

    The entire schtick since colonial times has been pretty Manichaean - and it's not a uniquely American, or uniquely Anglo-European, or uniquely Western, or uniquely Christian.

    People who enrich themselves at others' expense will always have a set of apparently-plausible justifications for their behaviour: the pigs get all the milk and the apples, because without the pigs the whole Revolution would collapse and Mr Jones might come back... and nobody wants that.

    (Alternatively: perhaps it's best not to have a revolution, because - and I'm only conjecturing, mind you - it might be that only well-behaved animals get to spend eternity in Sugarcandy Mountain).

    .

    inb4 some dipstick pretends that the likes of Temujin (Chinggis/Genghis Khan) didn't craft justification for themselves: the Tengrists firmly believed in what we would now recognise as 'Manifest Destiny'.

    The Yasa - the 'legal' framework that was promulgated by Chinggis and his successors - has all the standard poetic "Love one another" stuff that one finds in all self-hagiography, along with imposing the death penalty for pretty much everything. (That said: there is no extant written version of the Yasa, so there is only fragmentary evidence for its original contents - much of it dating from 2 centuries after Chinggis' death - but it's clear that his contemporaries considered Chinggis to be a unifying influence; tolerant of religious differences; meritocratic).

    TL;DR: everyone who seeks to live at others' expense, claims to be doing the right thing. Anyone who disagrees is - whether deliberately or through error - supporting the wrong thing.

    Moses makes it clear that he's been told that people supporting the wrong thing have to die - whether it's the 12th century on the plains of Mongolia, the 19th century on the plains of the US midwest, or the 21st century in the mountains of Afghanistan.

    Replies: @Alden

    I’ve read several biographies of Genghis Khan. The most plausible theory of why he killed so many people supposedly about 40 million was to destroy the farming manufacturing city way of life. The mongols bred horses and sheep and depended on hunting for food. Mongol hunts weren’t going out with a gun or Spears bows and arrows for a few hours to find a deer wild pig coon duck pheasant or rabbit

    They were splendid month long affairs. Thousands participated. The deal was form a many miles long straight line beat drums make a lot of noise scare the animals into running .

    Then form a crescent so they couldn’t escape to the sides keep moving gradually close the crescent when the circle is complete closed make the circle smaller then close in. And start the slaughter Something the mongols loved Lots of the men were killed by other hunters weapons It was a grand and glorious fiesta of blood adrenaline and slaughter.

    I don’t how they preserved the meat or if they did. It wasn’t the normal way of hunting for food. Since the idea was to kill as many animals as possible all at once much of the meat would have been wasted.

    The farmers were encroaching. The towns were growing . Muslims were building big Temples and libraries which attracted people to live nearby and make the towns biggerAnd pesky pilgrims building more roads and caravanaseries along the way.

    Mongol manufacturing was pretty much just weapons black smiths and horse tack. The women of course sheared the sheep and made the wool into felt not woven fabric.

    Historians of farming and forests claim that millions of miles of farmland went back to forest because the farmers were dead.

    Genghis achieved his goal. His vast territory was empty of those farms and towns that conflicted with the mongol way of life. If the mongols needed anything but felt cloth and leather they raided the nearest non mongol town. He left just enough farmers and towns so the mongols could conveniently raid them. Although supposedly tthe men could cover a thousand miles in about 8-12 days on their horses. So they didn’t have to live near the people who produced what the Mongols wanted.

  271. @Not Raul
    @Scott in PA


    There have been many iterations of this “good guy/bad guy” (really “right guy/wrong guy”) model throughout American history, where the ruling elites are virtually unanimous is taking the side of the “bad guy” or “wrong guy”.

    The Chambers/Hiss case is a prominent early example.
     
    The ruling elites convicted Hiss.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    The ruling elites convicted Hiss.

    Not as such, he was nailed on a purgery charge, not treason which they had eliminated as a real crime to save Ezra Pound. Their all in defense of him, and palpable unwillingness to bring him to justice helped set the stage for McCarthy. It was obvious party politics and class distinctions were to them much more important than “national security.” Or more like they were consistently on the side of the Communists including the USSR, something they increasingly failed to hide from the rest of the country.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @That Would Be Telling


    not treason which they had eliminated as a real crime to save Ezra Pound.
     
    The statute of limitations had run out on Hiss' espionage. Nixon's public outing of him made it impossible for the Establishment to continue to protect him; also he foolishly threatened libel action gainst Chambers. His recent perjurious testimony before HUAC was the jurisdictional handle for his conviction, sentencing, and imprisonment.
    , @nebulafox
    @That Would Be Telling

    To be fair, confirming the guilt of Hiss would have required us letting the Soviets know stuff they didn't need to know, like the fact that we'd cracked their codes and that Hoover and his merry men were planning a surprise for their spy networks as a result. That said, I was surprised by how many Democrats at the time approved of Nixon taking down Hiss: among them, JFK, who was around the same age and came in the same Congressional class. Hiss being innocent was far from the normative opinion in the 1940s, even among Dems. (This was a few years before Nixon had become partisan anathema politically.)

    So it wasn't so much political parties per se then the old Eastern Establishment, which really had become riddled with Soviet agents during the FDR years. The administration cracked down hard, but not in time to preempt TG Joe. Ironically enough, the eventual backlash to McCarthy saved what was left of the network, which would never fully recover.

  272. @Mr. Anon
    @Jonathan Mason


    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him.
     
    The first guy he shot was chasing him, lunged at him, and tried to disarm him. Moreover he was acting crazy and threatening people that night. Oh yes, he also just happened to be a convicted child-rapist. Just an upstanding citizen.

    It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.
     
    Think again, idiot:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdr-O81MEOk

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    It’s a little known fact but the skateboard is a type of club. I’ve seen it used to bash in someone’s head.

  273. @Alden
    @Twinkie

    I don’t know much about shooting. But I doubt there is one adult man in America, military or Olympic shooting team who can do what Kyle did.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @John Johnson

    I don’t know much about shooting. But I doubt there is one adult man in America, military or Olympic shooting team who can do what Kyle did.

    No Alden you don’t know much about shooting.

    Kyle showed incredible restraint under pressure but shooting an AR is pretty easy. At closer ranges you really can just shoot from the hip and get some hits on the target.

    Shooting a handgun is much harder, especially if you are moving.

  274. @Alden
    @Ralph L

    Minion of Satan Grosskreutz claims to be a paramedic, more skilled, a higher level license than an EMT which Kyle is although I’m sure Illinois will pull his EMT license if it hasn’t already.

    Someone should check State of Wisconsin para medic website and see if Grosskreuz really is a paramedic. He may have taken a 4 hour first aid course at some point but I doubt it.

    Replies: @Alden

    I checked Wisconsin EMT Paramedic license verification . Gaige Grosskreuz name was Not Found . Record was 0-0 of 0

    I never watch TV news or look at liberal sites. But I’ve gathered that a lot of fake news media and Facebook social media minions of Satan insist Grosskreutz was a paramedic and went to the riot to care for the injured. Like Florence Nightingale went to the Crimean war.

    Liberals just make up lies and people believe it.

    Big cross His name should be big pentagram symbol of the devil 👿 and evil.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Alden


    Gauge, the one that was shot in the arm tells everyone he’s a paramedic and is wearing a paramedic cap. When in fact he is only certified as a emergency medical technician basic.

     

    No one in the MSM bothered to check. Or knows or cares about these distinctions, but never fail to question Rittenhouse's credentials. The later being one of the popular and lefty ubiquitous talking points.
  275. @Thea
    @Elmer T. Jones

    “Mental illness” is both a badge of honor and get out of jail free card for the bottom dwellers.


    The veteran sitting jail now for yelling” get out of this neighborhood “ thus saving his neighbors and their baby from molestation was done in by the criminal’s history of mental illness.it was an acceptable excuse for sticking his hands down women’s pants and grabbing a baby.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Nah, “The issue is never the issue, the issue is always the revolution.” The veteran who stopped his neighbors from being literally molested was done in because the perp was black, “mental illness” was just the most convenient excuse to legally lynch him.”

    The jogger was literally mentally ill, off his meds and high on marijuana, but is the prosecution using that to string up that set of neighborhood defenders? They shouldn’t, the reason someone is trying to illegitimately kill you doesn’t matter in self-defense.

    Of course our betters are voiding the affirmative defense of self-defense against their pets and paramilitaries where they have control, and this includes the GOPe in this case and Zimmerman-Martin as well. And who says crime doesn’t pay, Rick Scott got rewarded with a Senate seat.

  276. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    Can’t somebody even mention the word “zionist” without you shaking your chain?

    His stated opinion is that Tulsi Gabbard's career is toast because of 'zionists'. That's a lunatic remark, for obvious reasons. She retired from Congress quite voluntarily and only a modest minority of federal legislators have a turn at higher office, whether zionists care for them or not. That aside, Gabbard has no history of hostility to Israel, just some mild criticism. Democratic voters put up with the likes of Barack Obama, who actually does despise Israel but had to work with members of Congress who do not. They're not going to notice something Gabbard said about riot control tactics.

    I'm the one answering him because you have a small corps of people who have a habit of remarking on the lunacy here. Someone else does it, I can skip to the next comment.


    You are not a normal person.

    You have issues, Mr. Anon. I'm not taking complaints from you.

    Replies: @RobinG, @Mr. Anon, @JimDandy

    Gabbard has no history of hostility to Israel

    More’s the pity.

  277. @anon
    @HA

    "So why stop at Hellenic?"

    We're talking about degrees, and however much Western Civilization was aware of Persian, etc. etc., these are mere blips compared to the influence of Hellenic thought on Western Civilization. Augustine, Aquinas, Scotus and Ockham were trying to make sense of and building the foundations with Aristotle and Plato.

    Replies: @HA

    “these are mere blips compared to the influence of Hellenic thought on Western Civilization.”

    As much as Greeks or Jews would like to think that they invented everything — and that goes for the useful idiots naïve enough to fall for that — there’s little of what they themselves came up with that wasn’t derived from or profoundly impacted by Persia or Egypt or the Phoenicians or the other cultures they interacted with.

    “Augustine, Aquinas, Scotus and Ockham were trying to make sense of and building the foundations with Aristotle and Plato.”

    There’s far more to Christianity than those four, and anyway, they were as much or more concerned about trying to make sense of and build on the foundations of the Old Testament — and again, I’m not buying Judaeo-Christian either — not to mention the cataclysmic shift introduced by the Babylonian exile and Persian restoration which led to those Messianic prophecies that they believe Jesus specifically came to fulfill.

    And there’s a lot about both Greek and Jewish culture that was specifically rejected, something your simplistic hyphenations fail to account for.

    In any case, unless you’re similarly ready to trip over yourself and remind us that Buddhist culture should actually be Hindu-Buddhist culture or Japanese culture is really Sino-Japanese, or whatever other pointless other hyphenations you could make that add absolutely nothing to the equation, I’m not buying it, and it makes me more likely to believe that you’re the part of that Greek culture that was specifically rejected.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    @HA

    on Western Civilization.


    As much as Greeks or Jews would like to think that they invented everything .....there’s little of what they themselves came up with that wasn’t derived from or profoundly impacted by Persia or Egypt or the Phoenicians or the other cultures they interacted with.

    And there’s a lot about both Greek and Jewish culture that was specifically rejected...
     
    Indeed. Thank you.
  278. @Roger
    I found this in my Facebook feed.

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1x4LttIcIkY/YYXd1olcsXI/AAAAAAAACEc/OjHZYayN9j0IW2eOOYrbZ6MWgVln3bvXACLcBGAsYHQ/s400/our17yo.jpg

    Replies: @Tex

    I definitely prefer our 17 year-old.

  279. @Jonathan Mason
    Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his "job" was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from "dyslexia" (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Jack D, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @RobinG, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Paul Mendez, @Hibernian, @Twinkie, @Paperback Writer, @danand

    “…his “job” was to perform first aid…”

    Happened to be live viewing that fateful August night on Periscope. A “reporter” was streaming a meeting of the fully armed group Kyle was with. This was a couple of hours prior to the attacks on him. The roughly dozen strong “guardian” group he was with, ~ half the members Black, all appeared older than Kyle. At this meeting young lad Kyle was assigned duty at the car lot. Perhaps the men thought it a safe assignment for Kyle, as the lot’s billboard proudly proclaimed “Black Lives Matter”.

    It became obvious things were going to turn South when BLM heroes began filling containers at the car lot adjacent fueling station they had just ransacked.

    Did not see the 1st thug/scum/BLM hero go down, but did see the other two. To my eyes it was truly remarkable how restrained Kyle was; refraining from pulling the trigger until “last instant necessary” to save his skin. I doubt any military or law enforcement could, or would, have acted with more discipline, or shown such remarkable restraint in that situation.

  280. @rebel yell
    @Bill Jones

    English common law has everything to do with the ten commandments. English law is born of the moral value which Christianity places on the individual life and the lives of common people. The further origins of this Christian view are found in the old testament.

    Replies: @Alden, @Bill Jones

    OMG English and American Law is based on whatever a judge says it is. A lower court judge ordered the 10 commandments carved in an 1840s courthouse be removed . The appellate court upheld the removal. I don’t remember their reasoning. Offensive to murderers thieves and adulterers presumably The 10 commandments are a basic universal set of laws most societies have. And were universal in the Mid East at the time. And the commandments are short and simple. None of that Hammurabi stuff about how to torture his wifes when a man dies a suspiciousness death.

    You’re a southerner. Do you like forcing White children to ride a bus 60 miles a day to be terrorized tortured and abused by blacks in integrated schools all day every day from age 5 to 18? . That’s English Common Law created out of nothing by judged not elected legislators.

    Been affected by affirmative action your entire working life? That’s English Common Law or Judge made law. Just two decisions by the black robed minions of Satan 👿Griggs and Kaiser.

    Irritated about mixed black and White marriages and relationships? Again, English judge made Common Law. Love vs State of Virginia 1967. Aware that the lower Mississippi is also known as the sewer of America? Again English judge made Common Law Louisiana Slaughter Houses around 1870.

    English Common Law Judges just make it up as they go along. ADL ACLU AJC NAACP wants us to spend hundreds of billions of dollars. Destroy the public school system and aid abet and encourage the torture and terrorization of millions of White children by blacks?? Sure, why not. Let’s show those southern cracker redneck pecker woods who’s in control.

    • Replies: @rebel yell
    @Alden

    You missed my point Alden. I don't like Kritarchy (rule by judicial dictate) any more than you do and I sure don't like the revised constitution we've gotten from our judges.
    But, the basic rights of common people, the very rights you are asserting in objecting to our modern Kritarchy, originated in England and originated among Protestants. And the moral underpinning of those legal rights comes from the moral value Christianity first placed on the low people of society. Like it or not, Christianity gave birth to this moral view that low people, ordinary people, have moral value and therefore political rights, and this really bloomed in politics and law in England. The long history of authoritarian church officials and corrupt church institutions is irrelevant to this history. The real story is the shift in moral feeling that took place among populations of Christian people over the centuries.
    Lots of commenters on Unz place no value on majority rule, no value on common people, and no value on Christianity. They think they can have rights without a Republic, or that a Republic is dependent on suppressing common people. The opposite is true. You must have a Republic to have rights, and to have a successful Republic you must have faith in the majority of your countrymen.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  281. @Jack D
    @nebulafox


    Later Republican Roman history was clearly aware of Jews and talks about their strange ways at length with a mixture of contempt and respect.
     
    I was talking about an earlier period, when the events of the Bible were supposedly happening. There is some historical confirmation for certain Biblical personages and events, but not many.

    The Romans had great respect for things that were old and they regarding Judaism as a "real" religion and venerable religion. To them Christianity was fake, the way people used to think about Mormonism or still think about Scientology. To the Roman way of thinking, you couldn't just make up your own religion.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @John Johnson, @Johann Ricke, @Expletive Deleted

    The Romans had great respect for things that were old and they regarding Judaism as a “real” religion and venerable religion. To them Christianity was fake, the way people used to think about Mormonism or still think about Scientology. To the Roman way of thinking, you couldn’t just make up your own religion.

    People tend to be skeptical about the veracity of supernatural events that are said to have occurred in their own time. Let a few centuries pass, and who’s to say what did or did not happen way back when? Assuming a religion survives, the passage of time adds to its respectability.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Johann Ricke


    Let a few centuries pass, and who’s to say what did or did not happen way back when?
     
    I STILL don't believe that the Angel Moroni appeared to Joseph Smith and gave him some gold tablets and the power to understand Ancient Egyptian.

    And as for Jesus, nisht geshtoygn un nisht gefloygn.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson, @Johann Ricke

  282. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    Back in the day, some branch of the military would have taken him as long as he had a pulse.

    The prosecutor should dismiss on the condition that he joined up. That's how it was done with juveniles back in the day. You're right that the military would do him some good and I think he would make a good soldier. A win-win for society.

    All this stuff about his background is irrelevant foolishness that the jury will rightfully never hear. The judge is a wise and experienced judge and he has made it clear that this trial is about the less than 3 minute period in which all of the major crimes he is accused of took place. Not whether he wore a MAGA hat the week after or whether he was from a broken home. (Anyway, when blacks are from broken homes, that is supposed to mean we treat them MORE leniently - somehow being from a broken home counts AGAINST you if you are white - double standards much)?

    In that 3 minute period, a man that had previously verbally threatened to kill him tried to grab his gun (and Rittenhouse had every reason to believe he would have killed him if he had taken control of it - Rosenberg was unarmed when he was shot but he would have been armed a few seconds later.) And then a man with a skateboard tried to beat him to death, so he shot him too. And then a man with a gun pointed it at him, so he shot him also. Rittenhouse has (I believe) a valid self defense claim with respect to all 3 of these men. I don't know enough about the case to say whether any of the other charges will stick but as to the 3 major crimes he is not guilty.

    Imagine that Rittenhouse was black and his attackers wore Proud Boys shirts, but otherwise all the same facts. Rittenhouse would be a hero of the Left.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Johann Ricke, @Negrolphin Pool, @David In TN, @John Johnson, @Paperback Writer

    The judge is a wise and experienced judge and he has made it clear that this trial is about the less than 3 minute period in which all of the major crimes he is accused of took place.

    First of all, as someone who has tangled with you many times here, an honest & sincere thank you.

    The above is the best summary of the issue I’ve read anywhere.

    Now I’m going to present the other side, and I invite you to destroy it. The other side says the entire series of events was caused by the fact that Rittenhouse came armed. Why did he come to a demonstration with an AR-15? Doesn’t that fact demonstrate that he was, at the very least, inclined to aggression, and would interpret almost anything as threatening?

    I don’t believe this but that’s what they’re saying. Have at it.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Paperback Writer

    "Now I’m going to present the other side, and I invite you to destroy it. The other side says the entire series of events was caused by the fact that Rittenhouse came armed. Why did he come to a demonstration with an AR-15? Doesn’t that fact demonstrate that he was, at the very least, inclined to aggression, and would interpret almost anything as threatening?"

    He didn't "come to a demonstration with an AR-15;" he came to help guard a particularly vulnerable business, on the third evening of an ongoing riot. The notion that anyone who is armed is "inclined to aggression" is a direct challenge to the spirit behind the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. If the armed 17-year-old had been inclined to "interpret almost anything as threatening," he would have quickly run out of ammunition, that evening. If his coming armed to guard a particularly vulnerable business, on the third evening of an ongoing riot, "demonstrates[s] that he was, at the very least, inclined to aggression," then what did criminals, like the targets of his restrained shooting, demonstrate by showing up at a riot?

    Replies: @D. K., @Alden, @Corvinus

    , @John Johnson
    @Paperback Writer

    Now I’m going to present the other side, and I invite you to destroy it. The other side says the entire series of events was caused by the fact that Rittenhouse came armed. Why did he come to a demonstration with an AR-15? Doesn’t that fact demonstrate that he was, at the very least, inclined to aggression, and would interpret almost anything as threatening?

    No it doesn't demonstrate he was inclined to aggression. Carrying a gun is not an indication of aggression. Police carry guns all the time and we don't say that they are constantly being aggressive or looking for violence.

    But more importantly his actions do not change the law.

    Just because it is a bad idea to walk around Baltimore at night with a shirt that says NAGGERS doesn't give anyone the right to attack you. Even if it is true that you are putting yourself at unnecessary risk that doesn't mean that the laws now change to favor the attackers.

    The establishment wants him locked up under a law that doesn't exist. It's a free country and in most areas you can walk around with a rifle. There is no law that says you can't defend yourself if you put yourself in a high risk situation.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Chris Mallory

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Paperback Writer


    Why did he come to a demonstration with an AR-15? Doesn’t that fact demonstrate that he was, at the very least, inclined to aggression, and would interpret almost anything as threatening?

    I don’t believe this but that’s what they’re saying. Have at it.
     

    How about "That's all but universally false in practice, including that night in Kenosha."

    That is, Right, even Left when they do it to make a point va. ambushes like Charlottesville, the guys who attend or create events where they open carry civilian assault rifles on their chests do not, in fact, engage in aggression as defined by the law. (The other side is now arguing provocation with falsified pictures derived from "Unicorn" video all delivered in legal ambush with the judge's approval.)

    So why is Rittenhouse different? Maybe, because, you know, he was attacked with lethal force at least four times that night?

    See also D.K.'s detailed answers.

    Replies: @D. K.

  283. The mere fact that all the Left’s hate, as expressed in the media, is directed at Kyle Rittenhouse and none is directed at:

    * Michael Dolloff, strangely referred to as a security guard, the killer of Lee Keltner;
    * The unknown killers of Jessica Doty Whitaker;
    * Jerion McKinley and Julian Conley, the killers of 8 year-old Secoreia Turner;
    * The unknown killers in the death of Antonio Mays Jr and the wounding of his 14 year-old companion;

    pretty much tells all you need to know about journalism and the rule of law in 21st century America.

  284. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    The judge is a wise and experienced judge and he has made it clear that this trial is about the less than 3 minute period in which all of the major crimes he is accused of took place.

     

    First of all, as someone who has tangled with you many times here, an honest & sincere thank you.

    The above is the best summary of the issue I've read anywhere.

    Now I'm going to present the other side, and I invite you to destroy it. The other side says the entire series of events was caused by the fact that Rittenhouse came armed. Why did he come to a demonstration with an AR-15? Doesn't that fact demonstrate that he was, at the very least, inclined to aggression, and would interpret almost anything as threatening?

    I don't believe this but that's what they're saying. Have at it.

    Replies: @D. K., @John Johnson, @That Would Be Telling

    “Now I’m going to present the other side, and I invite you to destroy it. The other side says the entire series of events was caused by the fact that Rittenhouse came armed. Why did he come to a demonstration with an AR-15? Doesn’t that fact demonstrate that he was, at the very least, inclined to aggression, and would interpret almost anything as threatening?”

    He didn’t “come to a demonstration with an AR-15;” he came to help guard a particularly vulnerable business, on the third evening of an ongoing riot. The notion that anyone who is armed is “inclined to aggression” is a direct challenge to the spirit behind the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. If the armed 17-year-old had been inclined to “interpret almost anything as threatening,” he would have quickly run out of ammunition, that evening. If his coming armed to guard a particularly vulnerable business, on the third evening of an ongoing riot, “demonstrates[s] that he was, at the very least, inclined to aggression,” then what did criminals, like the targets of his restrained shooting, demonstrate by showing up at a riot?

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @D. K.

    Also, if he had come to guard that particularly vulnerable business-- as well as to serve as a medic-- totally unarmed, how would the involved rioters, most of whom were armed with some sort of weapon [there were at least two rioters with handguns, interacting with Rittenhouse, one of whom fired upon him; Rosenbaum had a chain, which presumably was in the plastic bag that he hurled at Rittenhouse; and, the second casualty, Huber, used his skateboard as a weapon], have reacted to his being there, including his putting out a fire that they (and probably the decedent Rosenbaum himself) had started? The twin notions that (a) he still could have served as a useful deterrent to their burning down that particularly vulnerable business, if he had just been standing there unarmed, and (b) that his being unarmed would have caused the rioters not to physically assault him, at all, as he attempted to deter them from arson, simply through moral suasion, and then as he actively extinguished one of their arson fires, are both patently ridiculous.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Alden
    @D. K.

    Thousands of people came to the riot with guns items like skate boards that could be used to beat someone to death mace gasoline and charcoal lighter to burn the town down.

    It’s not showing aggression or intent to kill or even shoot if you routinely bring a gun to answer the door. Or keep a gun under your car seat.

    , @Corvinus
    @D. K.

    "He didn’t “come to a demonstration with an AR-15;” he came to help guard a particularly vulnerable business, on the third evening of an ongoing riot."

    The Kenosha car dealer stated he never asked a band of riflemen to guard one of his businesses the night of two fatal shootings, contesting the narrative the accused gunman's attorney. Moreover, it was not Kyle's own property he was protecting in his own community, as he traveled a fair distance away to play cowboy. Rittenhouse willingly came into an area experiencing civil unrest by brandishing a firearm, which implies to those he was with, as well as those who opposed his presence, a willingness to use it should the occasion arise. So context matters here, as there is an implied aggression. He was not simply engaging in conceal-carry as he entered a business in Antioch or walked around in his own neighborhood. Rather, he crossed state lines, received illegally a legal rifle obtained by a friend, and proceeded to willingly enter a known hostile area onto a property without apparently direct, expressed permission. Any time that there are guns involved in this particular circumstance, that elevates the level of dange for citizens and law enforcement. Assuredly, Kyle had every right to defend himself, but the circumstances by which he put himself in that position to defend himself raises a significant amount of questions as to his motivation and intent. That is why this situation should serve as a reminder to those to remain far away from places where civil unrest is occurring, lest it be in your own community and your business/neighborhood/family is directly in harm's way.

    Replies: @D. K., @mike99588, @D. K.

  285. @Anonymous
    Kyle was a good guy. The town had decided to let disorder exist. At a certain point, citizens have to take action. And even that said, they were smart enough not to fire on arsonists, but only in self defense. And they were cleaning graffiti earlier in the day.

    One of the reasons we have our comfy Western lifestyle is the willingness of young men to die in combat. C.S. Lewis made this point. It's something for all the old farts and feminazis to remember. It's so easy to resent the lifeguard when you are sitting on the shore. When you're drowning, you appreciate him.

    These people were thugs who thought they could beat the shit out of and disarm Kyle. I'm glad he wasted two of them and injured a third. Too bad he didn't kill "jump kick man" also.

    Replies: @Not you, @FPD72

    One of the reasons we have our comfy Western lifestyle is the willingness of young men to die in combat. C.S. Lewis made this point.

    There is a movie about Lewis in theaters right now that traces his intellectual journey from atheist to Christian, C.S. Lewis: The Most Reluctant Convert. His WWI experiences on the Western Front figure prominently in the film, as does Lewis’ relationship with Tolkien. The movie was filmed on location in Oxford and it’s environs.

  286. @HA
    @anon

    "these are mere blips compared to the influence of Hellenic thought on Western Civilization."

    As much as Greeks or Jews would like to think that they invented everything -- and that goes for the useful idiots naïve enough to fall for that -- there's little of what they themselves came up with that wasn't derived from or profoundly impacted by Persia or Egypt or the Phoenicians or the other cultures they interacted with.

    "Augustine, Aquinas, Scotus and Ockham were trying to make sense of and building the foundations with Aristotle and Plato."

    There's far more to Christianity than those four, and anyway, they were as much or more concerned about trying to make sense of and build on the foundations of the Old Testament -- and again, I'm not buying Judaeo-Christian either -- not to mention the cataclysmic shift introduced by the Babylonian exile and Persian restoration which led to those Messianic prophecies that they believe Jesus specifically came to fulfill.

    And there's a lot about both Greek and Jewish culture that was specifically rejected, something your simplistic hyphenations fail to account for.

    In any case, unless you're similarly ready to trip over yourself and remind us that Buddhist culture should actually be Hindu-Buddhist culture or Japanese culture is really Sino-Japanese, or whatever other pointless other hyphenations you could make that add absolutely nothing to the equation, I'm not buying it, and it makes me more likely to believe that you're the part of that Greek culture that was specifically rejected.

    Replies: @RobinG

    on Western Civilization.

    As much as Greeks or Jews would like to think that they invented everything …..there’s little of what they themselves came up with that wasn’t derived from or profoundly impacted by Persia or Egypt or the Phoenicians or the other cultures they interacted with.

    And there’s a lot about both Greek and Jewish culture that was specifically rejected...

    Indeed. Thank you.

  287. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    Can’t somebody even mention the word “zionist” without you shaking your chain?

    His stated opinion is that Tulsi Gabbard's career is toast because of 'zionists'. That's a lunatic remark, for obvious reasons. She retired from Congress quite voluntarily and only a modest minority of federal legislators have a turn at higher office, whether zionists care for them or not. That aside, Gabbard has no history of hostility to Israel, just some mild criticism. Democratic voters put up with the likes of Barack Obama, who actually does despise Israel but had to work with members of Congress who do not. They're not going to notice something Gabbard said about riot control tactics.

    I'm the one answering him because you have a small corps of people who have a habit of remarking on the lunacy here. Someone else does it, I can skip to the next comment.


    You are not a normal person.

    You have issues, Mr. Anon. I'm not taking complaints from you.

    Replies: @RobinG, @Mr. Anon, @JimDandy

    That aside, Gabbard has no history of hostility to Israel, just some mild criticism.

    The same thing in the eyes of many people.

    You have issues, Mr. Anon. I’m not taking complaints from you.

    No, I’m just fine. You, on the other hand, are an insufferable stuffed-shirt prig.

  288. @Joe Stalin
    @Jonathan Mason


    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in.
     
    Members of the Unorganized Militia as spelled out in federal statute would be pretty useless without a firearm.

    (a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246
     
    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this.

    Ferengi Rules of Acquisition Number 16:

    A Deal Is A Deal. (Source: Melora - Deep Space 9)

    https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition
     
    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    You must have telephoned that in without engaging your British brain. The Constabulary routinely seize the wooden sticks of signs because they might be used as "offensive weapons," and for damn sure a skateboard has at least as much mass as a baseball bat.

    Replies: @3g4me

    @110 Joe Stalin: AAARGGGH! Why can you people not ever recall what other commenters have revealed about themselves? You continually engage with Mason when he never argues with intelligence or in good faith, and HE IS NOT BRITISH. He is a Juice with a British passport who married a non-White Caribbean woman. His mode of thought and his priorities have nothing to do with White Christian civilization.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @3g4me

    Mason may not be British, but since he states that he has been there since at least Winston Churchill's funeral, he is the archetype of the despised hate-the-USA Brit. You can see those all the time when the BBC news is broadcast and they march out their commentators to talk about how stupid the USA is when they fail to bend to the globalist agenda.

    Really, his arguments and agenda directly reflect the Daily Mail commentators I see from the UK, New Zealand and Australia everyday. Yeah, it's true Mason considers himself an intellectual bomb thrower, and he is definitely smirking when he presses the Publish Comment button.

    We engage him because it's shooting fish in a barrel.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @3g4me

    No, that's not correct, 3G. I have conversed with Mr. Mason on here much more than you have, so I can understand why you don't have it straight.

    Mr. Mason is a British immigrant to America. I think he may have lived up north for a while, but he has been in the Jacksonville, Florida area. It is one of the few parts of Florida left that are still truly Southern, yet he is another gun controlling Socialist that has not assimilated worth a damn to Southern culture. His wife and adopted(?) daughters are from Ecuador, and they all go there sometimes.

    I would be pleased if Mr. Mason would write us from Ecuador more, as then maybe there'd be one less vote against America in Duval County.

    On cultural issues like race and immigration, Jonathan Mason DOES belong on these comment threads. However, his political stance should make us realize that even most European immigrants don't easily assimilate politically, as in understand the US Constitution that they supposedly took a test on! Mr. John Derbyshire is a happy exception.

    If I've got something wrong, Mr. Mason, please write in. I'm not trying to dox you but just set the record straight from info. you've given out.

    Replies: @RobinG, @Jonathan Mason

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @3g4me


    He is a Juice
     
    Do you have a link where he indicated this?
  289. @Chris Mallory
    @Jonathan Mason

    You haven't followed much of the trial. Rittenhouse is a good bet to walk on the felonies and the minor in possession of a firearm charge is 50/50 tossup if you read the Wisconsin law.

    Now the Feds might try to hit him with the straw purchase, but they haven't yet.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Alden, @gandydancer

    Jonathan Mason never bothers with reading the pertinent laws. Like American judges he just makes up the laws. He probably doesn’t know what state the trial is in. Or that we have both a federal legal system and individual state laws and court systems. Probably thinks our court system is like small European countries. So small there’s only one national legal system.

  290. @CW Acumen
    The left wants the law abiding public disarmed. The Rittenhouse case shows why. The police were effectively cowed in Kenosha and the public was left to the whims of the mob.

    It only took a few, namely one, armed citizen to turn the tide. Like Dorothy with a bucket of water, Kyle destroyed all of their beautiful wickedness.

    Sometimes it really is as simple as good vs bad.

    Replies: @3g4me

    @116 CW Acumen: Yes, often it really is as simple as good versus bad, but it is not merely the left that wants the law abiding public disarmed. Most cops consider said public ‘civilians’ who ought not be trusted with firearms. They are loyal to one another and to their paymasters. Caveat emptor.

  291. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    The judge is a wise and experienced judge and he has made it clear that this trial is about the less than 3 minute period in which all of the major crimes he is accused of took place.

     

    First of all, as someone who has tangled with you many times here, an honest & sincere thank you.

    The above is the best summary of the issue I've read anywhere.

    Now I'm going to present the other side, and I invite you to destroy it. The other side says the entire series of events was caused by the fact that Rittenhouse came armed. Why did he come to a demonstration with an AR-15? Doesn't that fact demonstrate that he was, at the very least, inclined to aggression, and would interpret almost anything as threatening?

    I don't believe this but that's what they're saying. Have at it.

    Replies: @D. K., @John Johnson, @That Would Be Telling

    Now I’m going to present the other side, and I invite you to destroy it. The other side says the entire series of events was caused by the fact that Rittenhouse came armed. Why did he come to a demonstration with an AR-15? Doesn’t that fact demonstrate that he was, at the very least, inclined to aggression, and would interpret almost anything as threatening?

    No it doesn’t demonstrate he was inclined to aggression. Carrying a gun is not an indication of aggression. Police carry guns all the time and we don’t say that they are constantly being aggressive or looking for violence.

    But more importantly his actions do not change the law.

    Just because it is a bad idea to walk around Baltimore at night with a shirt that says NAGGERS doesn’t give anyone the right to attack you. Even if it is true that you are putting yourself at unnecessary risk that doesn’t mean that the laws now change to favor the attackers.

    The establishment wants him locked up under a law that doesn’t exist. It’s a free country and in most areas you can walk around with a rifle. There is no law that says you can’t defend yourself if you put yourself in a high risk situation.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @John Johnson


    Carrying a gun is not an indication of aggression.

     

    Thanks - we've just identified the key difference between left and right in this country. They do say that.

    (Not that it matters but Gaige Grosskreutz was carrying & he supports 2nd A. He may have a problem with his cheer squad on the left.)

    Police carry guns all the time and we don’t say that they are constantly being aggressive or looking for violence.
     
    Well, we don't, but the left does. There was even a movement to disarm the NYC police back in the 60s. Not kidding.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @John Johnson

    , @Chris Mallory
    @John Johnson


    Police carry guns all the time and we don’t say that they are constantly being aggressive or looking for violence.
     
    That is the sole reason 99% of them become cops. So they can throw their weight around and pick fights with better men.
  292. @D. K.
    @Paperback Writer

    "Now I’m going to present the other side, and I invite you to destroy it. The other side says the entire series of events was caused by the fact that Rittenhouse came armed. Why did he come to a demonstration with an AR-15? Doesn’t that fact demonstrate that he was, at the very least, inclined to aggression, and would interpret almost anything as threatening?"

    He didn't "come to a demonstration with an AR-15;" he came to help guard a particularly vulnerable business, on the third evening of an ongoing riot. The notion that anyone who is armed is "inclined to aggression" is a direct challenge to the spirit behind the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. If the armed 17-year-old had been inclined to "interpret almost anything as threatening," he would have quickly run out of ammunition, that evening. If his coming armed to guard a particularly vulnerable business, on the third evening of an ongoing riot, "demonstrates[s] that he was, at the very least, inclined to aggression," then what did criminals, like the targets of his restrained shooting, demonstrate by showing up at a riot?

    Replies: @D. K., @Alden, @Corvinus

    Also, if he had come to guard that particularly vulnerable business– as well as to serve as a medic– totally unarmed, how would the involved rioters, most of whom were armed with some sort of weapon [there were at least two rioters with handguns, interacting with Rittenhouse, one of whom fired upon him; Rosenbaum had a chain, which presumably was in the plastic bag that he hurled at Rittenhouse; and, the second casualty, Huber, used his skateboard as a weapon], have reacted to his being there, including his putting out a fire that they (and probably the decedent Rosenbaum himself) had started? The twin notions that (a) he still could have served as a useful deterrent to their burning down that particularly vulnerable business, if he had just been standing there unarmed, and (b) that his being unarmed would have caused the rioters not to physically assault him, at all, as he attempted to deter them from arson, simply through moral suasion, and then as he actively extinguished one of their arson fires, are both patently ridiculous.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @D. K.

    Was putting out a fire that made the arsonists notice him? Jr volunteer fireman an essential public safety worker doing what he was trained to do; put out fires even though he was only 17 years old. Much too young to be out after 5PM. He should have been home safe with Mommy playing video games

    Funny some of the guys who endlessly criticize millennial men for being sissy boys with tattoos!!!!!!!!! slam Kyle for violating curfew which thousand of people were doing in Kenosha that night.

  293. @Anonymous
    But the antifa were bad guys in this case. One of them was a convicted child abuser. I’m afraid Steve has trouble with concepts of good and evil. That’s why he preferred Nixon over Reagan. That’s why he can’t ever bring himself to be on the side of his own people.

    Replies: @3g4me

    @170 Anonymous[156]: I’m out of ‘agree’ buttons, but spot on. Sailer somehow thinks being ‘on the fence’ or always trying to empathize with every angle of every situation makes him morally superior, rather than morally ambiguous.

  294. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    The judge is a wise and experienced judge and he has made it clear that this trial is about the less than 3 minute period in which all of the major crimes he is accused of took place.

     

    First of all, as someone who has tangled with you many times here, an honest & sincere thank you.

    The above is the best summary of the issue I've read anywhere.

    Now I'm going to present the other side, and I invite you to destroy it. The other side says the entire series of events was caused by the fact that Rittenhouse came armed. Why did he come to a demonstration with an AR-15? Doesn't that fact demonstrate that he was, at the very least, inclined to aggression, and would interpret almost anything as threatening?

    I don't believe this but that's what they're saying. Have at it.

    Replies: @D. K., @John Johnson, @That Would Be Telling

    Why did he come to a demonstration with an AR-15? Doesn’t that fact demonstrate that he was, at the very least, inclined to aggression, and would interpret almost anything as threatening?

    I don’t believe this but that’s what they’re saying. Have at it.

    How about “That’s all but universally false in practice, including that night in Kenosha.”

    That is, Right, even Left when they do it to make a point va. ambushes like Charlottesville, the guys who attend or create events where they open carry civilian assault rifles on their chests do not, in fact, engage in aggression as defined by the law. (The other side is now arguing provocation with falsified pictures derived from “Unicorn” video all delivered in legal ambush with the judge’s approval.)

    So why is Rittenhouse different? Maybe, because, you know, he was attacked with lethal force at least four times that night?

    See also D.K.’s detailed answers.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @That Would Be Telling

    "(The other side is now arguing provocation with falsified pictures derived from 'Unicorn' video all delivered in legal ambush with the judge’s approval.)"

    This crucial ruling, on last-minute evidence, really supplies jurors with the proverbial hook that they would need to convict Rittenhouse, and send him "up the river" for the rest of his natural life, if they wish to do so for extrajudicial reasons-- whether ideological or self-interested. In order to use it to find him guilty, as a matter of law, rather than as a pretext, they would genuinely have to find, beyond a reasonable doubt ("and to a moral certainty," as they used to say down in Dallas), that (a) the newly enhanced video is a true representation of that moment in time, and superior to the original in that respect, despite the state's expert witness admitting that (1) he cannot say exactly how the software's algorithm chose which color pixels to use in filling in the enlarged image, which comprised a minor fraction of the original video frame, and (2) that he never even bothered to compare the original image with the enhanced image, side by side; (b) that the enhanced image shows what the prosecutors now are claiming, absent any corroborating testimonial evidence from any actual eyewitness in the parking lot, including the actual person who prosecutors are claiming was the victim of Rittenhouse's alleged pointing of his weapon as a provocation, and despite Rittenhouse's sworn testimony to the contrary; (c) that Rittenhouse's alleged pointing of his weapon at an armed rioter was not itself a response to that armed rioter's own provocation, whether physical or verbal, which would have made the alleged pointing by Rittenhouse defensive and legally justified; (d) that Rittenhouse's alleged pointing of his weapon at that armed rioter thereby also served as a provocation to Rosenbaum, who was presumably still armed with a chain, albeit in a plastic bag; (e) that Rosenbaum was justified to chase Rittenhouse through the parking lot, with the former throwing his bag, which presumably contained his chain, at the latter, and then lunging at Rittenhouse and his weapon, after the other rioter had fired his weapon, presumably at Rittenhouse; and (f) that this chain of events, in the parking lot, not only deprived him of any claim of self-defense against Rosenbaum-- who had previously threatened to kill Rittenhouse, on two separate occasions, that same evening!-- but in all of his subsequent confrontations with several other rioters, in the street, as Rittenhouse ran toward the police line to turn himself in to the law. It is mind-boggling to me, as an erstwhile attorney, that anyone could swear, with a straight face, that he was convinced, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the prosecution's blurry enhancement of the original surveillance video shows what prosecutors now claim that it shows, and thereby demonstrates that Kyle Rittenhouse was, throughout the following few minutes, an aggressor who had lost his right to self-defense, against all of his subsequent attackers.

    Replies: @Negrolphin Pool, @Inquiring Mind

  295. @D. K.
    @Paperback Writer

    "Now I’m going to present the other side, and I invite you to destroy it. The other side says the entire series of events was caused by the fact that Rittenhouse came armed. Why did he come to a demonstration with an AR-15? Doesn’t that fact demonstrate that he was, at the very least, inclined to aggression, and would interpret almost anything as threatening?"

    He didn't "come to a demonstration with an AR-15;" he came to help guard a particularly vulnerable business, on the third evening of an ongoing riot. The notion that anyone who is armed is "inclined to aggression" is a direct challenge to the spirit behind the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. If the armed 17-year-old had been inclined to "interpret almost anything as threatening," he would have quickly run out of ammunition, that evening. If his coming armed to guard a particularly vulnerable business, on the third evening of an ongoing riot, "demonstrates[s] that he was, at the very least, inclined to aggression," then what did criminals, like the targets of his restrained shooting, demonstrate by showing up at a riot?

    Replies: @D. K., @Alden, @Corvinus

    Thousands of people came to the riot with guns items like skate boards that could be used to beat someone to death mace gasoline and charcoal lighter to burn the town down.

    It’s not showing aggression or intent to kill or even shoot if you routinely bring a gun to answer the door. Or keep a gun under your car seat.

  296. To the right, his three attackers sound like the Bad Guys.

    That’s because they are.

    Kenosha is telling. If people can’t broadly agree on who the “good guys” and “bad guys” are–on life and death stuff–then they really do not belong in the same nation.

    The minoritarians and our “elites” tear down statues and strip the names of great men from buildings, while honoring George Floyd. I–and over 100 million others–prefer civilization.

    • Agree: Kylie
  297. @Jonathan Mason
    Things look bad for Rittenhouse, since:

    1. He apparently bought the weapon illegally using a proxy purchaser to buy the weapon in a state different from the one he lived in. Looks like premeditation to me.

    2.He claimed to be hired to defend an automobile dealership from rioters and looters, but the owner of the dealership denied this. He said that his "job" was to perform first aid and that he had the (illegal) weapon for self protection.

    3. The first man he shot was unarmed,and the other two were trying to disarm him. It seems unlikely that someone would come to a political demonstration with a skateboard as an offensive weapon.

    OK, he was only 17, stupid, and seems to have been a high school dropout. Single parent family, lived with mother, no sign of father, probably influenced by other malefactors such as the friend who bought the gun for him,

    Father allegedly has history of drug and/or alcohol addiction. Mother suffers from "dyslexia" (aka illiteracy) and was evicted for rent arrears in 2018 and around the same time filed for bankruptcy and attempted suicide by overdose.

    So family can probably be classified as dysfunctional white underclass

    Kyle had attempted to join the Marine Corps in January, but was disqualified from serving after discussing his options with recruiters. It seems likely they thought he was not quite right in the head.

    Verdict: Mixed-up kid of limited intelligence from dysfunctional family who got in way over his head, probably under the influence of others. Might benefit from a structured lifestyle. If convicted will not be allowed to own firearms again.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @SimpleSong, @Sandy Berger's Socks, @Joe Stalin, @Mr. Anon, @Alden, @Anonymous, @Kylie, @John Johnson, @AnotherDad

    Please stay in Ecuador.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @AnotherDad

    He’s probably on a month to month visa.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnotherDad

    Hah, now see, that's the problem!

    I hadn't read this when I wrote my comment to 34G4me just above this.

  298. @That Would Be Telling
    @Chris Mallory


    Now the Feds might try to hit him with the straw purchase, but they haven’t yet.
     
    They can try anything with the end of the protection against double jeopardy, don't they use some catch-all "deprivation of civil rights" law?

    While I'm not familiar with the law, this doesn't fit the normal straw purchase pattern, nor his stated and necessary plan once he would have turned 18. The gun was owned and most of the time stayed in the possession of his friend, really ex-friend by necessity since the prosecution is trying to nail him with one or more very serious felonies and he testified against Rittenhouse. The plan was that he'd get the necessary Illinois FOID once he became eligible, then do a proper NICS checked transfer in Illinois.

    The normal pattern is the ineligible perp hands the money to the straw purchaser and then immediately gets the gun in return.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory

    The law against straw purchases is fairly strict. Read up on Abramski v. United States. While Rittenhouse did not make the purchase he provided the money and his friend bought the weapon. His friend will probably go down on the straw purchase charge, even though those charges are seldom pursued.

    I could see the Federal Attorneys trying to bypass the Double Jeopardy protection by charging Rittenhouse with that old Federal standby “Conspiracy to violate the law” .

    Taking the firearm back to Illinois would have violated both Federal and state laws. Interstate transfers have to be handled by a FFL dealer. That FFL transfer has to follow the laws of both states and only applies to long guns.
    I live in Kentucky and have seen several out of state purchases by Illinois buyers. They have to provide their Illinois FOID card to the KY dealer then the dealer has to follow the Illinois requirement to hold the firearm for a waiting period, 48 hours I think but I could be wrong on that.

    The way the law is written a resident of California trying to buy an AR style rifle in Texas would be limited to rifles legal under California law.
    A few years ago, the ATF was running stings where they would contact private citizens in Indiana or Kentucky offering a firearm for sale then attempting to buy as an Illinois resident. Easy violation of Federal gun laws.
    Handguns can only be purchase in state.
    In Kentucky, I can sell either an handgun or a long gun face to face without a background check to any other Kentucky resident that I have no knowledge is a prohibited person.

  299. @D. K.
    @D. K.

    Also, if he had come to guard that particularly vulnerable business-- as well as to serve as a medic-- totally unarmed, how would the involved rioters, most of whom were armed with some sort of weapon [there were at least two rioters with handguns, interacting with Rittenhouse, one of whom fired upon him; Rosenbaum had a chain, which presumably was in the plastic bag that he hurled at Rittenhouse; and, the second casualty, Huber, used his skateboard as a weapon], have reacted to his being there, including his putting out a fire that they (and probably the decedent Rosenbaum himself) had started? The twin notions that (a) he still could have served as a useful deterrent to their burning down that particularly vulnerable business, if he had just been standing there unarmed, and (b) that his being unarmed would have caused the rioters not to physically assault him, at all, as he attempted to deter them from arson, simply through moral suasion, and then as he actively extinguished one of their arson fires, are both patently ridiculous.

    Replies: @Alden

    Was putting out a fire that made the arsonists notice him? Jr volunteer fireman an essential public safety worker doing what he was trained to do; put out fires even though he was only 17 years old. Much too young to be out after 5PM. He should have been home safe with Mommy playing video games

    Funny some of the guys who endlessly criticize millennial men for being sissy boys with tattoos!!!!!!!!! slam Kyle for violating curfew which thousand of people were doing in Kenosha that night.

  300. @John Johnson
    @Paperback Writer

    Now I’m going to present the other side, and I invite you to destroy it. The other side says the entire series of events was caused by the fact that Rittenhouse came armed. Why did he come to a demonstration with an AR-15? Doesn’t that fact demonstrate that he was, at the very least, inclined to aggression, and would interpret almost anything as threatening?

    No it doesn't demonstrate he was inclined to aggression. Carrying a gun is not an indication of aggression. Police carry guns all the time and we don't say that they are constantly being aggressive or looking for violence.

    But more importantly his actions do not change the law.

    Just because it is a bad idea to walk around Baltimore at night with a shirt that says NAGGERS doesn't give anyone the right to attack you. Even if it is true that you are putting yourself at unnecessary risk that doesn't mean that the laws now change to favor the attackers.

    The establishment wants him locked up under a law that doesn't exist. It's a free country and in most areas you can walk around with a rifle. There is no law that says you can't defend yourself if you put yourself in a high risk situation.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Chris Mallory

    Carrying a gun is not an indication of aggression.

    Thanks – we’ve just identified the key difference between left and right in this country. They do say that.

    (Not that it matters but Gaige Grosskreutz was carrying & he supports 2nd A. He may have a problem with his cheer squad on the left.)

    Police carry guns all the time and we don’t say that they are constantly being aggressive or looking for violence.

    Well, we don’t, but the left does. There was even a movement to disarm the NYC police back in the 60s. Not kidding.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Paperback Writer

    Not that it matters but Gaige Grosskreutz was carrying & he supports 2nd A. He may have a problem with his cheer squad on the left.

    He's not likely to clap for them, either.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    , @John Johnson
    @Paperback Writer

    Thanks – we’ve just identified the key difference between left and right in this country. They do say that.

    (Not that it matters but Gaige Grosskreutz was carrying & he supports 2nd A. He may have a problem with his cheer squad on the left.)

    I read an MSM source to keep tabs on the mainstream and they have kept that out of the articles. They have been running opinion pieces with the focus on Kyle and guns being the problem. It's a tactic they all use which is to switch to editorials when biased reported isn't doing the job.

    Well, we don’t, but the left does. There was even a movement to disarm the NYC police back in the 60s. Not kidding.

    I'm not at all surprised. I remember an article not long ago by a liberal that suggested the police should have to get remote authorization to use deadly force.

    The Minnesota left actually had a plan to send out social workers to domestic disputes before police.

    So they would be sending unarmed Sociology majors to handle angry Black men that will sometimes have weapons.

    Genius stuff.

  301. @AnotherDad
    @Jonathan Mason

    Please stay in Ecuador.

    Replies: @Alden, @Achmed E. Newman

    He’s probably on a month to month visa.

  302. @D. K.
    @Paperback Writer

    "Now I’m going to present the other side, and I invite you to destroy it. The other side says the entire series of events was caused by the fact that Rittenhouse came armed. Why did he come to a demonstration with an AR-15? Doesn’t that fact demonstrate that he was, at the very least, inclined to aggression, and would interpret almost anything as threatening?"

    He didn't "come to a demonstration with an AR-15;" he came to help guard a particularly vulnerable business, on the third evening of an ongoing riot. The notion that anyone who is armed is "inclined to aggression" is a direct challenge to the spirit behind the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. If the armed 17-year-old had been inclined to "interpret almost anything as threatening," he would have quickly run out of ammunition, that evening. If his coming armed to guard a particularly vulnerable business, on the third evening of an ongoing riot, "demonstrates[s] that he was, at the very least, inclined to aggression," then what did criminals, like the targets of his restrained shooting, demonstrate by showing up at a riot?

    Replies: @D. K., @Alden, @Corvinus

    “He didn’t “come to a demonstration with an AR-15;” he came to help guard a particularly vulnerable business, on the third evening of an ongoing riot.”

    The Kenosha car dealer stated he never asked a band of riflemen to guard one of his businesses the night of two fatal shootings, contesting the narrative the accused gunman’s attorney. Moreover, it was not Kyle’s own property he was protecting in his own community, as he traveled a fair distance away to play cowboy. Rittenhouse willingly came into an area experiencing civil unrest by brandishing a firearm, which implies to those he was with, as well as those who opposed his presence, a willingness to use it should the occasion arise. So context matters here, as there is an implied aggression. He was not simply engaging in conceal-carry as he entered a business in Antioch or walked around in his own neighborhood. Rather, he crossed state lines, received illegally a legal rifle obtained by a friend, and proceeded to willingly enter a known hostile area onto a property without apparently direct, expressed permission. Any time that there are guns involved in this particular circumstance, that elevates the level of dange for citizens and law enforcement. Assuredly, Kyle had every right to defend himself, but the circumstances by which he put himself in that position to defend himself raises a significant amount of questions as to his motivation and intent. That is why this situation should serve as a reminder to those to remain far away from places where civil unrest is occurring, lest it be in your own community and your business/neighborhood/family is directly in harm’s way.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Corvinus

    Corvinus, you are a half-witted ignoramus with no training in the law. You are trying to build a moral case, rather than a criminal case, against Kyle Rittenhouse, based upon your own peculiar morals.

    "The Kenosha car dealer stated he never asked a band of riflemen to guard one of his businesses the night of two fatal shootings, contesting the narrative [sic] the accused gunman’s attorney."

    The dealership owner clearly lied under oath, to dissociate himself from any potential legal culpability or liability. Other defenders from Rittenhouse's group testified-- as state's witnesses!-- that they were authorized and welcomed by the owner, who gave them the keys to his buildings, and also offered to pay them for their services, since the government was unwilling to protect his properties-- which already had suffered damages in the low seven figures, in the previous two nights of rioting. (As one would fully expect of Third World ingrates, the bastard never paid a penny to the people who had kept the remainder of his businesses from being burned to the ground, on the third night, before young Kyle Rittenhouse singlehandedly brought the riots to a close.)

    "Moreover, it was not Kyle’s own property he was protecting in his own community, as he traveled a fair distance away to play cowboy."

    The fact that Kyle Rittenhouse and several others volunteered to protect someone else's commercial properties, rather than their own, is legally irrelevant. Being an ignorant layperson, that fact is above both your head and your pay grade. Rittenhouse came to the site from his job in Kenosha, not from his nearby home in Illinois. His father, grandmother and assorted other relatives live in Kenosha. Unlike your fellow Antifa and BLM terrorists, he did not travel hundreds, much less thousands, of miles in order to burn down other people's hometown.



    "Rittenhouse willingly came into an area experiencing civil unrest by brandishing a firearm, which implies to those he was with, as well as those who opposed his presence, a willingness to use it should the occasion arise."

    It is not illegal to "c[o]me into an area experiencing civil unrest"-- unless, like your fellow Antifa and BLM terrorists, one crosses state lines with the specific intention of rioting. You obviously do not even know what the word "brandishing" means, as a matter of law. Wearing a rifle on a strap is not an act of "brandishing a firearm." Anyone who carries a weapon legally, whether openly, as Rittenhouse did, or with a permit to carry it concealed, needs to be willing "to use it [sic] should the occasion arise." To carry a weapon legally that you are unwilling to use, "should the occasion arise," is worse than useless; it is utterly stupid and very dangerous!

    "So context matters here, as there is an implied aggression."

    There is no such thing, in American law, as "an implied aggression," moron.

    "He was not simply engaging in conceal-carry as he entered a business in Antioch or walked around in his own neighborhood. Rather, he crossed state lines, received illegally a legal rifle obtained by a friend, and proceeded to willingly enter a known hostile area onto a property without apparently direct, expressed permission."

    He did not come to the site of the alleged crimes by crossing the state line; he came to town to work, and then agreed to go to help protect the businesses of an ungrateful immigrant. Whether he received the rifle illegally, because he still was a few months shy of his 18th birthday, is an open question, as a matter of Wisconsin statutory law, but the jury instructions which the judge accepted from the defense now augur against that legal conclusion, because the section under which he was indicted for that misdemeanor is subject to other statutory provisions that appear, to legal minds, unlike your own, to exempt him from that age requirement. Again, it is not illegal "to willingly [sic] enter a known hostile area," and the testimony of state's witnesses show that his group did have the permission, blessings, and gratitude of the foreign ingrate who owns the businesses. Individual, engraved invitations were not required; it was a riot, not a Getty wedding.

    "Any time that there are guns involved in this particular circumstance, that elevates the level of dange [sic] for citizens and law enforcement."

    That illiterate statement is irrelevant, incompetent and immaterial, 'Ham Burger'.

    "Assuredly, Kyle had every right to defend himself, but the circumstances by which he put himself in that position to defend himself raises a significant amount of questions as to his motivation and intent."

    Except in the case of (unconstitutional) "hate crime" statutes, motivation is legally irrelevant to any criminal charge. What an ignorant layperson like you thinks "intent" means and what it means as a matter of law are two very different things. His going there, and his going there armed, are irrelevant to his intent, vis-a-vis the crimes with which he has been charged.

    "That is why this situation should serve as a reminder to those to remain far away from places where civil unrest is occurring, lest it be in your own community and your business/neighborhood/family is directly in harm’s way."

    Another piece of illiterate advice from the half-witted moralist. If those volunteers had not been there, that night, the businesses that they were protecting would undoubtedly have been burned to the ground by your fellow Antifa and BLM terrorists. Your advice is for citizens to let the terrorists burn the former's cities down, and be grateful if they are left alive, cowering in their own homes, while the terrorists are allowed a monopoly on violence, in lieu of the state.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @mike99588
    @Corvinus

    What country did you say you were from ?
    Or were you one of the antifa rioters?

    , @D. K.
    @Corvinus

    "The Kenosha car dealer stated he never asked a band of riflemen to guard one of his businesses the night of two fatal shootings, contesting the narrative [sic] the accused gunman’s attorney."

    Explain this suppressed evidence away, asshole!

    https://twitter.com/DefNotDarth/status/1461534489822248965

  303. @rebel yell
    @Bill Jones

    English common law has everything to do with the ten commandments. English law is born of the moral value which Christianity places on the individual life and the lives of common people. The further origins of this Christian view are found in the old testament.

    Replies: @Alden, @Bill Jones

    Common law developed in Britain for centuries before Christianity showed up.
    The only three of the “ten commandments”, and we can go into Christ’s renunciation of them at a later date, that ever were law across the country were the murder, robbery, perjury ones that predated Christianity. Common law varied across the country because it was based on the practices of the people in that area. The legal term “discovery” originally related to the “kings Justices” as the country consolidated, attempting to discover just what the local practices, the common law was. A simple example of regional difference might be what constituted proof of ownership.
    The core difference between the West (shorthanded as Christianity) and Judea, is that the former was a bottom up, it’s right because the majority of the people here behave in that way system and the latter beholden to the commandments of a demonstrably barking made psychotic genocidal God. The stereotype of the neurotic jew poring over the talmud looking for loopholes exists for a reason.

    The explosion of “Shalt Nots”, now 5,000 plus federal felonies, occurred after the ten fold increase in jews in the country between 1880 and 1920.

    The core issue between top down and bottiom up is why they have no place in the West.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Bill Jones

    Common law developed in Britain for centuries before Christianity showed up.

    Common law was not an innovation of 1st century Celts or 6th c. Anglo-Saxons. The most salient period in its development was under Henry II.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

  304. @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason

    1. Watch Kyle's testimony on the stand. He doesn't come across as stupid. No, he's not Michael Sussman. But he's a pretty poised kid, in a stressful situation. I do agree he had a bit of a hero complex. Not the worst thing in a young man. One of the reasons why you're free is slightly naive kids like that joining the Marines. While you sit and type on the Internet.

    2. That's silly about the disarming crap. These guys were thugs who saw a weaker guy and wanted to boot stomp his head. Oh....and I could literally (not how a millenial says it) crack your skull open and kill you with a skateboard.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Oh….and I could literally (not how a millenial says it) crack your skull open and kill you with a skateboard.”

    And yet another Internet Tough Guy talks. The bottom line is when iSteve refers to Kyle as the “teen marksman”, and his brothers and sisters in arms refer to Kyle as a hero, it only shows how they wish they themselves had the guts and guile to channel their rage against their ideological foes in Pinochet style fashion. But that is not going to happen, as their weapon of choice is not a firearm, but digital ink.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Corvinus

    'And yet another Internet Tough Guy talks. The bottom line is when iSteve refers to Kyle as the “teen marksman”, and his brothers and sisters in arms refer to Kyle as a hero, it only shows how they wish they themselves had the guts and guile to channel their rage against their ideological foes in Pinochet style fashion. But that is not going to happen, as their weapon of choice is not a firearm, but digital ink.'

    So if one defends somebody accused of a crime, it demonstrates that one would emulate their behavior if only one could?

    We'll have to remember that's your position.

  305. @That Would Be Telling
    @Paperback Writer


    Why did he come to a demonstration with an AR-15? Doesn’t that fact demonstrate that he was, at the very least, inclined to aggression, and would interpret almost anything as threatening?

    I don’t believe this but that’s what they’re saying. Have at it.
     

    How about "That's all but universally false in practice, including that night in Kenosha."

    That is, Right, even Left when they do it to make a point va. ambushes like Charlottesville, the guys who attend or create events where they open carry civilian assault rifles on their chests do not, in fact, engage in aggression as defined by the law. (The other side is now arguing provocation with falsified pictures derived from "Unicorn" video all delivered in legal ambush with the judge's approval.)

    So why is Rittenhouse different? Maybe, because, you know, he was attacked with lethal force at least four times that night?

    See also D.K.'s detailed answers.

    Replies: @D. K.

    “(The other side is now arguing provocation with falsified pictures derived from ‘Unicorn’ video all delivered in legal ambush with the judge’s approval.)”

    This crucial ruling, on last-minute evidence, really supplies jurors with the proverbial hook that they would need to convict Rittenhouse, and send him “up the river” for the rest of his natural life, if they wish to do so for extrajudicial reasons– whether ideological or self-interested. In order to use it to find him guilty, as a matter of law, rather than as a pretext, they would genuinely have to find, beyond a reasonable doubt (“and to a moral certainty,” as they used to say down in Dallas), that (a) the newly enhanced video is a true representation of that moment in time, and superior to the original in that respect, despite the state’s expert witness admitting that (1) he cannot say exactly how the software’s algorithm chose which color pixels to use in filling in the enlarged image, which comprised a minor fraction of the original video frame, and (2) that he never even bothered to compare the original image with the enhanced image, side by side; (b) that the enhanced image shows what the prosecutors now are claiming, absent any corroborating testimonial evidence from any actual eyewitness in the parking lot, including the actual person who prosecutors are claiming was the victim of Rittenhouse’s alleged pointing of his weapon as a provocation, and despite Rittenhouse’s sworn testimony to the contrary; (c) that Rittenhouse’s alleged pointing of his weapon at an armed rioter was not itself a response to that armed rioter’s own provocation, whether physical or verbal, which would have made the alleged pointing by Rittenhouse defensive and legally justified; (d) that Rittenhouse’s alleged pointing of his weapon at that armed rioter thereby also served as a provocation to Rosenbaum, who was presumably still armed with a chain, albeit in a plastic bag; (e) that Rosenbaum was justified to chase Rittenhouse through the parking lot, with the former throwing his bag, which presumably contained his chain, at the latter, and then lunging at Rittenhouse and his weapon, after the other rioter had fired his weapon, presumably at Rittenhouse; and (f) that this chain of events, in the parking lot, not only deprived him of any claim of self-defense against Rosenbaum– who had previously threatened to kill Rittenhouse, on two separate occasions, that same evening!– but in all of his subsequent confrontations with several other rioters, in the street, as Rittenhouse ran toward the police line to turn himself in to the law. It is mind-boggling to me, as an erstwhile attorney, that anyone could swear, with a straight face, that he was convinced, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the prosecution’s blurry enhancement of the original surveillance video shows what prosecutors now claim that it shows, and thereby demonstrates that Kyle Rittenhouse was, throughout the following few minutes, an aggressor who had lost his right to self-defense, against all of his subsequent attackers.

    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
    @D. K.

    Persecutors Twink Hair Claire and Fatlock are arguing that the 17-year-old boy scout is actually Richard III.

    The persecution argues that of such black villainy was the defendant capable that before Kyle reached the flaming dumpster lot with his good-citizen fire extinguisher ruse, driving the FBI snitch to shoot the stars like a drunk Tombstone cowhand and goading the violent chomo into murderous pursuit, as if in some nightmare Hieronymous Bosch painting, his right hand was already there waiting.

    The plan was exceeding hopes.

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @D. K.

    The reason for the defense attorneys having their client testify, I believe, was to "humanize" their client to the jury. One of the knocks on the defense of Officer Chauvin was that he exercised his Constitutional right to not testify and in the bargain, he was just a cypher to the jury, a man without a personality, feelings or anything else making us human. Maybe, just maybe, if he had testified, the jury would have gotten the sense of him being human and doing the best he could under the situation, not that this would have changed the verdict but it would have been another thing for the jurors to carry on their consciences.

    The tactical error of doing this was not that Mr. Rittenhouse would crumble on the stand in the face of bullying cross-examination -- his attorney must have "prepped" his witness for the eventualities and gotten the measure of their client by rehearsal.

    The tactical error is this legal ambush of the "rebuttal witness", i.e. the garbage testimony of the dude using image enhancement software to show a second gunman behind the grassy knoll. There is no disagreement that the defendant shot three people. It is that the defendant testified that he didn't point his gun at anyone until threatened. Oh, lookie here! This software shows Mr. Rittenhouse pointing his gun!

    This testimony was not presented in the Prosecution's case-in-main because it would have been picked apart by the defense. It would have also had to be disclosed in advance to the Defense, not that the Prosecution was following the spirit of this rule, but you know what I mean. But by the English Common Law formula of the Prosecution getting the last word, Kyle Rittenhouse testifying to his intent "opens the door" to saying, hey look, the fancy-schmatzy image processing software "rebuts" that claim.

    Go back to the "don't talk to the police" video. You talk to the police and offer an alibi, the police get some dodgy witness to claim they saw someone who looks like you, not only is your alibi shot to heck, you are branded a liar and nothing you say in your own defense is believed. Stinks, doesn't it?

  306. @Verymuchalive
    @Mr. Anon

    Observations are what Maestro Steve calls "noticing". If these people object to mere observations re Zionism by commenters like us, they must surely object to Steve noticing things re Zionism. Here is my observation - noticed by Steve many times. Zionist Neocons, overwhelmingly Jewish, have been in complete control of US defence and foreign policy since the Clinton Administration. This has been disastrous for America, and dangerous to other countries. This is a logical inference from the facts.

    So why is this small group of commenters - you know who they are, as I do - still plugging away when they obviously object to Steve noticing such things? They aren't hasbara trolls: they would be far more obvious and disruptive. Their attempts at obfuscation are useless. Their activity seems pointless.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @JimDandy

    Zionist Neocons, overwhelmingly Jewish, have been in complete control of US defence and foreign policy since the Clinton Administration.

    Try (1) defining your terms beforehand and then (2) coming up with a name.

    • Troll: JimDandy, Verymuchalive
  307. @Matt Buckalew
    @Hangnail Hans

    Like most people that get angriest about the term judeo-Christian you’ve clearly never read the book.

    I came not to abolish the Law, but to fulfill the Law.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    Yes, to fulfil the law by rejecting it wholesale. Read the Sermon on the Mount, in particular the Antitheses–without that ‘qualifier’ which was added by jewish apostates after the fact.

  308. @Hibernian
    @Hangnail Hans

    He came not to abolish the Law, but to fulfill the Law.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    Yes, to fulfil the law by rejecting it wholesale. Read the Sermon on the Mount, in particular the Antitheses–without that ‘qualifier’ which was added by jewish apostates after the fact.

  309. That is all, as Jesus said.

    😉

  310. @nebulafox
    Gee. A pedophile, a woman beater, and a burglar spending the evening torching buildings. I wonder why anyone would think of them as "bad guys"?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Gee. A pedophile, a woman beater, and a burglar spending the evening torching buildings. I wonder why anyone would think of them as “bad guys”?”

    Right. Matt Goetz, Corey Lewandowski, and Paul Manofort.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Corvinus

    ***

    “Gee. A pedophile, a woman beater, and a burglar spending the evening torching buildings. I wonder why anyone would think of them as “bad guys” [sic]?”

    Right. Matt Goetz [sic], Corey Lewandowski, and Paul Manofort [sic].

    ***

    Which pre-pubescent child has Matt Gaetz been convicted of sexually assaulting? Which pre-pubescent child has Matt Gaetz been indicted for sexually assaulting? Which pre-pubescent child has Matt Gaetz been publicly accused of sexually assaulting?

    Which woman has Corey Lewandowski been convicted of beating? Which woman has Corey Lewandowski been indicted for beating? Which woman has Corey Lewandowski been publicly accused of beating? (No, I do not consider his allegedly patting Joy Villa on her fat ass to be a beating; nor do I give any credence to the politically motivated claims of Michelle Fields that he illegally grabbed her and pushed her away from his candidate-- which likewise would not be a beating, regardless.)

    Which building has Paul Manafort been convicted of burglarizing, and what other crime did he commit, or intend to commit, when he illegally entered that building? Which building has Paul Manafort been indicted for burglarizing, and for what other crime, or intended crime, therein, was he also indicted? Which building has Paul Manafort been publicly accused of burglarizing, and what other crime has he been publicly accused of committing, or intending to commit, therein?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Boomthorkell
    @Corvinus

    Corvinus, why would you attempt to deflect criticism of three actual criminals to three unrelated people?

    That seems a little deceptive of you!

    Do you...do you not think these three individuals are bad guys? Are they...are they good?

  311. Equity demands a trial with sacred Negro “justice”!!!!

  312. @Corvinus
    @D. K.

    "He didn’t “come to a demonstration with an AR-15;” he came to help guard a particularly vulnerable business, on the third evening of an ongoing riot."

    The Kenosha car dealer stated he never asked a band of riflemen to guard one of his businesses the night of two fatal shootings, contesting the narrative the accused gunman's attorney. Moreover, it was not Kyle's own property he was protecting in his own community, as he traveled a fair distance away to play cowboy. Rittenhouse willingly came into an area experiencing civil unrest by brandishing a firearm, which implies to those he was with, as well as those who opposed his presence, a willingness to use it should the occasion arise. So context matters here, as there is an implied aggression. He was not simply engaging in conceal-carry as he entered a business in Antioch or walked around in his own neighborhood. Rather, he crossed state lines, received illegally a legal rifle obtained by a friend, and proceeded to willingly enter a known hostile area onto a property without apparently direct, expressed permission. Any time that there are guns involved in this particular circumstance, that elevates the level of dange for citizens and law enforcement. Assuredly, Kyle had every right to defend himself, but the circumstances by which he put himself in that position to defend himself raises a significant amount of questions as to his motivation and intent. That is why this situation should serve as a reminder to those to remain far away from places where civil unrest is occurring, lest it be in your own community and your business/neighborhood/family is directly in harm's way.

    Replies: @D. K., @mike99588, @D. K.

    Corvinus, you are a half-witted ignoramus with no training in the law. You are trying to build a moral case, rather than a criminal case, against Kyle Rittenhouse, based upon your own peculiar morals.

    “The Kenosha car dealer stated he never asked a band of riflemen to guard one of his businesses the night of two fatal shootings, contesting the narrative [sic] the accused gunman’s attorney.”

    The dealership owner clearly lied under oath, to dissociate himself from any potential legal culpability or liability. Other defenders from Rittenhouse’s group testified– as state’s witnesses!– that they were authorized and welcomed by the owner, who gave them the keys to his buildings, and also offered to pay them for their services, since the government was unwilling to protect his properties– which already had suffered damages in the low seven figures, in the previous two nights of rioting. (As one would fully expect of Third World ingrates, the bastard never paid a penny to the people who had kept the remainder of his businesses from being burned to the ground, on the third night, before young Kyle Rittenhouse singlehandedly brought the riots to a close.)

    “Moreover, it was not Kyle’s own property he was protecting in his own community, as he traveled a fair distance away to play cowboy.”

    The fact that Kyle Rittenhouse and several others volunteered to protect someone else’s commercial properties, rather than their own, is legally irrelevant. Being an ignorant layperson, that fact is above both your head and your pay grade. Rittenhouse came to the site from his job in Kenosha, not from his nearby home in Illinois. His father, grandmother and assorted other relatives live in Kenosha. Unlike your fellow Antifa and BLM terrorists, he did not travel hundreds, much less thousands, of miles in order to burn down other people’s hometown.

    [MORE]

    “Rittenhouse willingly came into an area experiencing civil unrest by brandishing a firearm, which implies to those he was with, as well as those who opposed his presence, a willingness to use it should the occasion arise.”

    It is not illegal to “c[o]me into an area experiencing civil unrest”– unless, like your fellow Antifa and BLM terrorists, one crosses state lines with the specific intention of rioting. You obviously do not even know what the word “brandishing” means, as a matter of law. Wearing a rifle on a strap is not an act of “brandishing a firearm.” Anyone who carries a weapon legally, whether openly, as Rittenhouse did, or with a permit to carry it concealed, needs to be willing “to use it [sic] should the occasion arise.” To carry a weapon legally that you are unwilling to use, “should the occasion arise,” is worse than useless; it is utterly stupid and very dangerous!

    “So context matters here, as there is an implied aggression.”

    There is no such thing, in American law, as “an implied aggression,” moron.

    “He was not simply engaging in conceal-carry as he entered a business in Antioch or walked around in his own neighborhood. Rather, he crossed state lines, received illegally a legal rifle obtained by a friend, and proceeded to willingly enter a known hostile area onto a property without apparently direct, expressed permission.”

    He did not come to the site of the alleged crimes by crossing the state line; he came to town to work, and then agreed to go to help protect the businesses of an ungrateful immigrant. Whether he received the rifle illegally, because he still was a few months shy of his 18th birthday, is an open question, as a matter of Wisconsin statutory law, but the jury instructions which the judge accepted from the defense now augur against that legal conclusion, because the section under which he was indicted for that misdemeanor is subject to other statutory provisions that appear, to legal minds, unlike your own, to exempt him from that age requirement. Again, it is not illegal “to willingly [sic] enter a known hostile area,” and the testimony of state’s witnesses show that his group did have the permission, blessings, and gratitude of the foreign ingrate who owns the businesses. Individual, engraved invitations were not required; it was a riot, not a Getty wedding.

    “Any time that there are guns involved in this particular circumstance, that elevates the level of dange [sic] for citizens and law enforcement.”

    That illiterate statement is irrelevant, incompetent and immaterial, ‘Ham Burger’.

    “Assuredly, Kyle had every right to defend himself, but the circumstances by which he put himself in that position to defend himself raises a significant amount of questions as to his motivation and intent.”

    Except in the case of (unconstitutional) “hate crime” statutes, motivation is legally irrelevant to any criminal charge. What an ignorant layperson like you thinks “intent” means and what it means as a matter of law are two very different things. His going there, and his going there armed, are irrelevant to his intent, vis-a-vis the crimes with which he has been charged.

    “That is why this situation should serve as a reminder to those to remain far away from places where civil unrest is occurring, lest it be in your own community and your business/neighborhood/family is directly in harm’s way.”

    Another piece of illiterate advice from the half-witted moralist. If those volunteers had not been there, that night, the businesses that they were protecting would undoubtedly have been burned to the ground by your fellow Antifa and BLM terrorists. Your advice is for citizens to let the terrorists burn the former’s cities down, and be grateful if they are left alive, cowering in their own homes, while the terrorists are allowed a monopoly on violence, in lieu of the state.

    • Thanks: Tony massey
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @D. K.

    "Corvinus, you are a half-witted ignoramus with no training in the law. You are trying to build a moral case, rather than a criminal case, against Kyle Rittenhouse, based upon your own peculiar morals."

    Employing ad hominem does not strengthen your case, counselor. The dealership owner did not "clearly lie". He never granted direct authorization for the group to safeguard his property. Of course, the group thought while there were no explicit instructions to remain, they surmised there must be an implication to stay. But unless there was a direct verbal or written statement granting permission to protect his business, the group is in the wrong for setting up shop there. Of course, the group members would vehemently disagree that the owner had agreed to the arrangement, but that has to be actually determined, rather than assumed on your part. Recall that Anmol Khindri testified that had no “contact of any kind” whatsoever with Rittenhouse nor the group, 2020 save for a text message he received from Rittenhouse, but Anmol neglected to offer a reply.

    "As one would fully expect of Third World ingrates, the bastard never paid a penny to the people who had kept the remainder of his businesses from being burned to the ground, on the third night, before young Kyle Rittenhouse singlehandedly brought the riots to a close."

    That would be irrelevant and immaterial on your part.

    "The fact that Kyle Rittenhouse and several others volunteered to protect someone else’s commercial properties, rather than their own, is legally irrelevant. Being an ignorant layperson, that fact is above both your head and your pay grade. Rittenhouse came to the site from his job in Kenosha, not from his nearby home in Illinois. His father, grandmother and assorted other relatives live in Kenosha. Unlike your fellow Antifa and BLM terrorists, he did not travel hundreds, much less thousands, of miles in order to burn down other people’s hometown."

    To the contrary, it is legally relevant, when it comes to intent and motive. So you are not fooling anyone here. And, as expected, you are playing a game of semantics. The fact of the matter is that Kyle came from his home in Antioch to Kenosha, was there for work, later went to a friend's house, and then willingly chose to enter a specific place where it had no direct and acute impact on his relatives, as well no immediate bearing on their lives or his live. Anyone who was other than native to the area who traveled regardless of the distance into an area that was deemed off limits by the police against is a potential agitator, one that jeopardizes the lives and safety of that immediate vicinity.

    "Again, it is not illegal “to willingly [sic] enter a known hostile area,”

    That would be a strawman on your part. I never directly or indirectly made that statement. Anyways, the crowd was ordered to disperse prior to and when the demonstration turned violent. Anyone entering or remaining in the area was breaking that police command and would be subject to arrest, as they are clearly breaking the peace and putting at risk the residents who actually live and work in that specific area.

    "and the testimony of state’s witnesses show that his group did have the permission, blessings, and gratitude of the foreign ingrate who owns the businesses. Individual, engraved invitations were not required; it was a riot, not a Getty wedding."

    That remains in question.

    "That illiterate statement is irrelevant, incompetent and immaterial, ‘Ham Burger’."

    Perry Mason, you are not. More like Maury Levy.

    "Except in the case of (unconstitutional) “hate crime” statutes, motivation is legally irrelevant to any criminal charge. What an ignorant layperson like you thinks “intent” means and what it means as a matter of law are two very different things. His going there, and his going there armed, are irrelevant to his intent, vis-a-vis the crimes with which he has been charged."

    Yes, I see I stated motivation, which should be instead motive. Regardless, in criminal law, motive in itself is not an element of any given crime; however, the legal system typically allows motive to be proven to make plausible the accused's reasons for committing a crime, at least when those motives may be obscure or hard to identify with.

    "Another piece of illiterate advice from the half-witted moralist. If those volunteers had not been there, that night, the businesses that they were protecting would undoubtedly have been burned to the ground".

    Once again, you resort to ad hominem as the perpetual crux for your "argument". That is not how substantive debate works. Better to have property loss than the loss of human lives. You can always rebuild. In those situations, it is best to stay away, clean up in the aftermath, and seek justice through the arrest, trial, and conviction of the perpetrators.

    "by your fellow Antifa and BLM terrorists."

    Yet another one of your efforts to paint anyone who you oppose ideologically into this corner without a shred of evidence.

    "Your advice is for citizens to let the terrorists burn the former’s cities down, and be grateful if they are left alive, cowering in their own homes, while the terrorists are allowed a monopoly on violence, in lieu of the state."

    Do you ever tire of strawmen? No, you do not. Listen, the next time there is a demonstration that turns violent, why don't you go there with a long gun, ignore the commands of police to vacate the premises, protect a business with or without the consent of the owner, and record yourself amidst the chaos. Hell, you may even get that one shining moment to shoot someone who stupidly dares to violently attack you. Maybe even iSteve will designate you as a "old fart marksmen" in a future VDARE column. That way, your action serves as documentation of your commitment to safeguard any and all communities while paying tribute to Kyle's approach.

    Go ahead. Make everyone proud.

    Replies: @D. K.

  313. @Corvinus
    @nebulafox

    "Gee. A pedophile, a woman beater, and a burglar spending the evening torching buildings. I wonder why anyone would think of them as “bad guys”?"

    Right. Matt Goetz, Corey Lewandowski, and Paul Manofort.

    Replies: @D. K., @Boomthorkell

    ***

    “Gee. A pedophile, a woman beater, and a burglar spending the evening torching buildings. I wonder why anyone would think of them as “bad guys” [sic]?”

    Right. Matt Goetz [sic], Corey Lewandowski, and Paul Manofort [sic].

    ***

    Which pre-pubescent child has Matt Gaetz been convicted of sexually assaulting? Which pre-pubescent child has Matt Gaetz been indicted for sexually assaulting? Which pre-pubescent child has Matt Gaetz been publicly accused of sexually assaulting?

    Which woman has Corey Lewandowski been convicted of beating? Which woman has Corey Lewandowski been indicted for beating? Which woman has Corey Lewandowski been publicly accused of beating? (No, I do not consider his allegedly patting Joy Villa on her fat ass to be a beating; nor do I give any credence to the politically motivated claims of Michelle Fields that he illegally grabbed her and pushed her away from his candidate– which likewise would not be a beating, regardless.)

    Which building has Paul Manafort been convicted of burglarizing, and what other crime did he commit, or intend to commit, when he illegally entered that building? Which building has Paul Manafort been indicted for burglarizing, and for what other crime, or intended crime, therein, was he also indicted? Which building has Paul Manafort been publicly accused of burglarizing, and what other crime has he been publicly accused of committing, or intending to commit, therein?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @D. K.

    Rather than agree that they are "bad guys", you seek to minimize their law breaking activities. You literally have no shame.

    Replies: @D. K., @Boomthorkell

  314. @Alden
    @Twinkie

    Yes, I’m aware that Olympic and other contest shooting is shooting at targets . So is everyone on earth.

    And I really doubt any military man could do what Kyle did. As for police sheriffs state troopers and the feds. I doubt it. You’re in a fantasy world about SWAT teams and the FBI Len Horouchi who murdered Sammy and Vicki Weaver was a static shooter shooting through a door at Vicki and standing behind a bush when he shot 14 year old Sammy. Difficult to miss a door.

    The MEN Of UNZ the MEN OF UNZ endlessly playing with their guns the way little girls play with their Barbie dolls. And reading gun magazines and websites the way any hobbyist reads about his hobby.

    And how much did you donate to the Rittenhouse defense fund fake macho man?

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Twinkie

    And I really doubt any military man could do what Kyle did. As for police sheriffs state troopers and the feds. I doubt it. You’re in a fantasy world about SWAT teams and the FBI Len Horouchi who murdered Sammy and Vicki Weaver was a static shooter shooting through a door at Vicki and standing behind a bush when he shot 14 year old Sammy. Difficult to miss a door.

    That FBI clusterf–k has no bearing on this case.

    Kyle shot everyone at point blank range. Go shoot a man sized target with an AR15 at 5 yards. It’s really easy. I can easily shoot an AR with one hand. They only weigh around 7 pounds.

    The MEN Of UNZ the MEN OF UNZ endlessly playing with their guns the way little girls play with their Barbie dolls.

    I’ve been violently attacked twice and kept my cool each time. Why do you think some of us are so motivated against clown town? Anyone that has lived downtown in one of our major cities has had to deal with some type of violence. We had a rapist on the loose near our townhouse and the local clown police didn’t want to describe him as Black or alert the city media. They actually put out a blog alert that said WATCH OUT FOR A MALE RAPIST.

  315. @Alden
    @Twinkie

    Yes, I’m aware that Olympic and other contest shooting is shooting at targets . So is everyone on earth.

    And I really doubt any military man could do what Kyle did. As for police sheriffs state troopers and the feds. I doubt it. You’re in a fantasy world about SWAT teams and the FBI Len Horouchi who murdered Sammy and Vicki Weaver was a static shooter shooting through a door at Vicki and standing behind a bush when he shot 14 year old Sammy. Difficult to miss a door.

    The MEN Of UNZ the MEN OF UNZ endlessly playing with their guns the way little girls play with their Barbie dolls. And reading gun magazines and websites the way any hobbyist reads about his hobby.

    And how much did you donate to the Rittenhouse defense fund fake macho man?

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Twinkie

    You’re in a fantasy world

    One of us certainly is.

  316. @D. K.
    @Corvinus

    Corvinus, you are a half-witted ignoramus with no training in the law. You are trying to build a moral case, rather than a criminal case, against Kyle Rittenhouse, based upon your own peculiar morals.

    "The Kenosha car dealer stated he never asked a band of riflemen to guard one of his businesses the night of two fatal shootings, contesting the narrative [sic] the accused gunman’s attorney."

    The dealership owner clearly lied under oath, to dissociate himself from any potential legal culpability or liability. Other defenders from Rittenhouse's group testified-- as state's witnesses!-- that they were authorized and welcomed by the owner, who gave them the keys to his buildings, and also offered to pay them for their services, since the government was unwilling to protect his properties-- which already had suffered damages in the low seven figures, in the previous two nights of rioting. (As one would fully expect of Third World ingrates, the bastard never paid a penny to the people who had kept the remainder of his businesses from being burned to the ground, on the third night, before young Kyle Rittenhouse singlehandedly brought the riots to a close.)

    "Moreover, it was not Kyle’s own property he was protecting in his own community, as he traveled a fair distance away to play cowboy."

    The fact that Kyle Rittenhouse and several others volunteered to protect someone else's commercial properties, rather than their own, is legally irrelevant. Being an ignorant layperson, that fact is above both your head and your pay grade. Rittenhouse came to the site from his job in Kenosha, not from his nearby home in Illinois. His father, grandmother and assorted other relatives live in Kenosha. Unlike your fellow Antifa and BLM terrorists, he did not travel hundreds, much less thousands, of miles in order to burn down other people's hometown.



    "Rittenhouse willingly came into an area experiencing civil unrest by brandishing a firearm, which implies to those he was with, as well as those who opposed his presence, a willingness to use it should the occasion arise."

    It is not illegal to "c[o]me into an area experiencing civil unrest"-- unless, like your fellow Antifa and BLM terrorists, one crosses state lines with the specific intention of rioting. You obviously do not even know what the word "brandishing" means, as a matter of law. Wearing a rifle on a strap is not an act of "brandishing a firearm." Anyone who carries a weapon legally, whether openly, as Rittenhouse did, or with a permit to carry it concealed, needs to be willing "to use it [sic] should the occasion arise." To carry a weapon legally that you are unwilling to use, "should the occasion arise," is worse than useless; it is utterly stupid and very dangerous!

    "So context matters here, as there is an implied aggression."

    There is no such thing, in American law, as "an implied aggression," moron.

    "He was not simply engaging in conceal-carry as he entered a business in Antioch or walked around in his own neighborhood. Rather, he crossed state lines, received illegally a legal rifle obtained by a friend, and proceeded to willingly enter a known hostile area onto a property without apparently direct, expressed permission."

    He did not come to the site of the alleged crimes by crossing the state line; he came to town to work, and then agreed to go to help protect the businesses of an ungrateful immigrant. Whether he received the rifle illegally, because he still was a few months shy of his 18th birthday, is an open question, as a matter of Wisconsin statutory law, but the jury instructions which the judge accepted from the defense now augur against that legal conclusion, because the section under which he was indicted for that misdemeanor is subject to other statutory provisions that appear, to legal minds, unlike your own, to exempt him from that age requirement. Again, it is not illegal "to willingly [sic] enter a known hostile area," and the testimony of state's witnesses show that his group did have the permission, blessings, and gratitude of the foreign ingrate who owns the businesses. Individual, engraved invitations were not required; it was a riot, not a Getty wedding.

    "Any time that there are guns involved in this particular circumstance, that elevates the level of dange [sic] for citizens and law enforcement."

    That illiterate statement is irrelevant, incompetent and immaterial, 'Ham Burger'.

    "Assuredly, Kyle had every right to defend himself, but the circumstances by which he put himself in that position to defend himself raises a significant amount of questions as to his motivation and intent."

    Except in the case of (unconstitutional) "hate crime" statutes, motivation is legally irrelevant to any criminal charge. What an ignorant layperson like you thinks "intent" means and what it means as a matter of law are two very different things. His going there, and his going there armed, are irrelevant to his intent, vis-a-vis the crimes with which he has been charged.

    "That is why this situation should serve as a reminder to those to remain far away from places where civil unrest is occurring, lest it be in your own community and your business/neighborhood/family is directly in harm’s way."

    Another piece of illiterate advice from the half-witted moralist. If those volunteers had not been there, that night, the businesses that they were protecting would undoubtedly have been burned to the ground by your fellow Antifa and BLM terrorists. Your advice is for citizens to let the terrorists burn the former's cities down, and be grateful if they are left alive, cowering in their own homes, while the terrorists are allowed a monopoly on violence, in lieu of the state.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Corvinus, you are a half-witted ignoramus with no training in the law. You are trying to build a moral case, rather than a criminal case, against Kyle Rittenhouse, based upon your own peculiar morals.”

    Employing ad hominem does not strengthen your case, counselor. The dealership owner did not “clearly lie”. He never granted direct authorization for the group to safeguard his property. Of course, the group thought while there were no explicit instructions to remain, they surmised there must be an implication to stay. But unless there was a direct verbal or written statement granting permission to protect his business, the group is in the wrong for setting up shop there. Of course, the group members would vehemently disagree that the owner had agreed to the arrangement, but that has to be actually determined, rather than assumed on your part. Recall that Anmol Khindri testified that had no “contact of any kind” whatsoever with Rittenhouse nor the group, 2020 save for a text message he received from Rittenhouse, but Anmol neglected to offer a reply.

    “As one would fully expect of Third World ingrates, the bastard never paid a penny to the people who had kept the remainder of his businesses from being burned to the ground, on the third night, before young Kyle Rittenhouse singlehandedly brought the riots to a close.”

    That would be irrelevant and immaterial on your part.

    “The fact that Kyle Rittenhouse and several others volunteered to protect someone else’s commercial properties, rather than their own, is legally irrelevant. Being an ignorant layperson, that fact is above both your head and your pay grade. Rittenhouse came to the site from his job in Kenosha, not from his nearby home in Illinois. His father, grandmother and assorted other relatives live in Kenosha. Unlike your fellow Antifa and BLM terrorists, he did not travel hundreds, much less thousands, of miles in order to burn down other people’s hometown.”

    To the contrary, it is legally relevant, when it comes to intent and motive. So you are not fooling anyone here. And, as expected, you are playing a game of semantics. The fact of the matter is that Kyle came from his home in Antioch to Kenosha, was there for work, later went to a friend’s house, and then willingly chose to enter a specific place where it had no direct and acute impact on his relatives, as well no immediate bearing on their lives or his live. Anyone who was other than native to the area who traveled regardless of the distance into an area that was deemed off limits by the police against is a potential agitator, one that jeopardizes the lives and sa