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From Human Nature in 2012:

The Importance of Physical Strength to Human Males
Aaron Sell & Liana S. E. Hone & Nicholas Pound

… Warfare and the Hollywood Action Star

If attitudes about warfare are causally tied to a man’s own sense of fighting ability, we would expect professions, industries, and coalitions of strong, powerful men to be more likely to endorse attitudes about the utility of political aggression as a means of resolving conflicts of interest. More interestingly, even among professions that are typically left-leaning with respect to attitudes about war,1 we should expect to find exceptions among those who are physically formidable. We tested for this pattern among a small group of

(Where the terms “left” and “right” are used in the present manuscript they are intended to refer to their commonly understood meanings in the contemporary United States, where “left-leaning” refers to beliefs typically associated with the Democratic Party, including a more “dovish” approach to war, whereas “rightleaning” refers to beliefs associated with the Republican Party, including a more “hawkish” approach to war.”

physically strong men, Hollywood action stars, who work and reside in a culture that is left-leaning compared with contemporary America, particularly when it comes to views on the utility of warfare. If physical strength in men leads to more positive views of the utility of war, then even in a population with predominately leftist attitudes, such as Hollywood actors, those actors known for their physical strength and formidability should be more likely to be supportive of military action.

Each actor was then put into one of two political categories regarding the utility of warfare: left-wing (i.e., warfare leads to more problems) or right-wing (i.e., warfare solves problems). Because the actors were largely American citizens and working in America during the late twentieth century, the “antiwar” position was indicated by support of the Democratic Party, which, to a large extent, opposed the Vietnam and Iraq wars, America’s most significant foreign military actions in the latter part of the century. The complications of history make this a simplification, but for the purposes of this study what matters is the public perception of the parties’ platforms. The Democratic Party has been the party supported by those who wish to end foreign incursions and the Republican Party has been the party supported by those who wish to use the U.S. military to attack America’s enemies (Aldrich et al. 2006). The actor’s political affiliation was assessed using a five-step ordered procedure:

  • if the actor had run for office as a member of a political party, he was classified as a supporter of that party. One actor was classified by this criterion. & if the actor’s political donations to one party were more than double those to another, he was classified as a supporter of that party. Thirty-eight actors were classified by this criterion. & if the actor made direct statements regarding a military action by the United States he was categorized accordingly. Eight actors were classified by this criterion.
  • if the actor made direct statements of support for a party or a politician, or if they
    spoke at a party fund raiser or convention, they were categorized accordingly.
    Eleven actors were classified by this criterion.
  • finally, if not classified by any previous criteria, actors were classified by any
    stated support they had for left-wing or right-wing causes. Only three actors were
    classified according to this criterion based on support of these left-wing causes:
    desire for more regulation of free market capitalism, support for Che Guevera, and preference for government-provided universal health care. …

As expected, Hollywood actors are generally more supportive of left-wing politics and politicians, with 47 [of 61] of the actors (77.0%) being categorized as left-wing and 14 (23.0%) as right-wing. Despite that general pattern, a chi-square test indicated significant differences in the distribution of political attitudes between different categories of actors (χ2 015.0; df02; p<0.001). As shown in Fig. 2, actors known for their physical strength and formidability—action stars—were the exception. More than half of Hollywood action stars in our sample (56.3%) were right-wing according to our categorization process. These included such imposing figures as Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bruce Willis, Chuck Norris, Clint Eastwood, Sylvester Stallone, Dwayne Johnson (“the Rock”), and Charlton Heston. Post-hoc comparisons indicated that right-wing categorizations were significantly more common (χ2 013.9; df01; p<0.001) among action actors (56.3%) than dramatic actors (4.2%). Similarly, right-wing categorizations were more common (χ2 05.5; df01; p<0.05) among action actors than comedic actors (19.0%).

Consistent with the hypothesis that physical strength is linked to positive views of the utility of warfare, many of the action stars categorized as left-wing were indeed physically less imposing than their right-wing counterparts. For example, Nicholas Cage, Tom Cruise, Pierce Brosnan, and Keanu Reeves are prominent left-wing action stars but do not appear to have the same physiques as Schwarzenegger, Stallone, or Chuck Norris. Furthermore, several of the right-wing comedic and dramatic stars were also physically formidable, such as Matthew McConaughey and Vince Vaughn. Though they were not mentioned repeatedly by our subjects, and thus did not contribute to our analysis, many other physically formidable actors contributed to or supported right-wing political causes, including James Earl Jones, Tom Selleck, LL Cool J, Lorenzo Lamas, Dean Cain, Mickey Rourke, Clint Walker, Clancy Brown, Chuck Conners, Ronald Reagan, “Hulk Hogan,” and Kurt Russell.2 …

A simple independent t-test compared the height of right-wing actors (mean 72.7 inches) with the height of left-wing actors (mean 70.3 inches) on our list and showed that the right-wing actors were significantly taller …

The authors say they have posted the list of all 61 actors, but I can’t find it online.

I did a similar analysis in 2000 using campaign contributions:

Where have all the GOP celebrities gone?
BySTEVE SAILER, UPI National Correspondent

LOS ANGELES, Dec. 29, 2000 — … In 2000, however, Oscar-winning actors, actresses, and directors donated 40 times more money to Democrats than to Republicans. …

Although Republicans have sometimes appealed to action stars, Oscar-winner Nicolas Cage followed his uncle, director Francis Ford Coppola, into the Democratic column. Texas tough guy Tommy Lee Jones gave $2,000 to his old college roommate, Al Gore. And, while Kevin Costner once contributed to conservative Senator Phil Gramm, in 2000 he was back with the Hollywood herd, handing over $3,000 to the Vice President.

In case you are wondering, part-time Republican politician Clint Eastwood (who won an Oscar for directing “Unforgiven”) does not show up in the Center for Responsive Politics’ database as a contributor. (You can access their trove of Election Commission reports at www.OpenSecrets.org). While Clint couldn’t be bothered, his ex-wife Maggie Eastwood did send $1,000 to Republicans, however.

In contrast, only seven Academy Award winners gave to Republicans. And that number includes big Democratic donors Michael Douglas and Sidney Pollack, who each tossed $1,000 to maverick Republican challenger Senator John McCain. Other McCain donors include grizzled actor Robert Duvall and Milos Forman (director of “Amadeus”), who came to America as a refugee from Communist Czechoslovakia.

Just three award winners contributed to any Republicans besides the briefly trendy McCain. Renegade director Oliver Stone (“JFK”) split his contributions between Gore and Republican Congressman and Impeachment Trial manager James Rogan…

The other GOP givers were William Friedkin, who directed “The French Connection” way back in 1971, and, of course, National Rifle Association leader Charlton Heston.

No Academy Award winner gave to President-Elect Bush.

The Republicans also did poorly among non-Oscar winners with big fan bases. Several action movie actors are rumored to have Republican sympathies, but Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bruce Willis, and Sylvester Stallone were no-shows in the 2000 donation database. Superstar Harrison Ford did give $1,000 to McCain, but he also handed $2,000 to Democrats. The only rock-ribbed Republican donor among action heroes is Chuck Norris, star of TV’s “Walker, Texas Ranger.”

Hone, Pound, and Sell (which sounds like advice) argue that height is of interest because it’s almost pure nature.

I wrote a 2012 column making a similar point about actors: Hormonal Politics.

One interesting question is whether it’s pure nature or part nurture. Hollywood stars exercise a lot, and it’s possible that choice of exercise regimen might influence political views. I pointed out a Sample Size of 2 experiment:

Here’s an extremely anecdotal Hollywood example of the political correlates of lifting v. running. Consider two television stars of highly rated cop shows: Gary Sinise (CSI: NY) and Mark Harmon (NCIS). These two actors strike me as reasonably comparable, perhaps because I used to see them around my old high school where their children went. And, I’ve admired both Sinise and Harmon for their work long before they became television leading men. Sinise was the artistic director in the 1980s of Chicago’s great Steppenwolf theater. And Harmon had a 17-5 won-loss record quarterbacking my favorite college football team, UCLA, in 1972-73.

If I’d had to guess their political causes based on their biographies — Sinise the Chicago theater kid whose father was a film editor v. Harmon the Bel-Air jock whose dad, Tom Harmon, won the 1940 Heisman Trophy — I would have bet on Sinise as a liberal and Harmon as a conservative.

In reality, their political activism is closer to the body types they’ve worked to develop and maintain. Neither is a big man, but Sinise looks like he lifts weights. Even though Harmon is the rare Hollywood star who was a genuine football hero — his slight frame must have taken a tremendous beating as the running QB of the Bruins’ wishbone offense — he hasn’t been much into putting on muscle since. Instead, he’s a distance runner.

Sinise is one of Hollywood’s most outspoken activists in a variety of conservative and patriotic causes. More than a few Republican operatives would like Sinise to carry on the Reagan-Schwarzenegger tradition by running for office.

In contrast, Harmon has been a gun control activist since his wife Pam Dawber’s costar Rebecca Schaefer was murdered by some stalker with a gun in 1989.

I don’t expect anybody to be terribly persuaded by this Sinise-Harmon comparison. My point, though, is that the proposition that different types of exercise could drive political views could be ethically tested on college students by offering free personal trainers. Randomly assign some volunteers to the weightlifting trainer, others to the running trainer, and measure if their attitudes change along with their shapes.

As Obama’s calculatedly divisive 2012 campaign demonstrates, the future of politics may look much stranger than what we’re familiar with. The parties will likely want to research how they can mold their own voters.

 
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  1. One can only take this research with a grain of salt, given the number of actors who in recent days have gone full retard ….

  2. I’m guessing Cruise, Cage, Brosnan, and Reeves could take out most commenters here and most Trump supporters pretty easily.

    And Johnson as right wing?

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @donald j. tingle


    I’m guessing Cruise, Cage, Brosnan, and Reeves could take out most commenters here and most Trump supporters pretty easily.
     
    Maybe, maybe not, but I didn't think we were talking about their dating prospects. Personally, I don't want to go out with any of those guys.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @donald j. tingle

    Tom Cruise is left wing? Cruise is no wing; he's a Scientologist. It took three people to compose the above ridiculous article. I know a guy who recently completed a script 163 pages in length. It probably won't sell, but still he wrote it all by hisself. Take that pretend eggheads.

    , @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    @donald j. tingle

    You seem to have been very affected by hollywood effects, you know they're not actually beating those guys up in their movies right? The henchman are paid to go down.

    What makes you think that these fake tough guys are even average in a fight? Going down the list:

    Cruise- Manlet, doubtful he could reach my chin. Though is a member of a weird cult so possibly the most dangerous man on the list.

    Cage- I would say fake tough guy, but is he even tough in his own movies? String bean, not impressed.

    Brosnan- Pretty boy dork, puffed up sissy, probably can't take a punch

    Reeves- Unusually low IQ for a hapa, likely poor grasp of strategy, claims to be 6'1", likely significantly shorter, scrawny, not impressed

    tldr; In a self defense situation where they forced me to protect my own life, I would devastate their lives with a single punch.

    Replies: @Whitey Whiteman III

    , @The Alarmist
    @donald j. tingle

    You forgot Chuck Norris.

  3. OT – Man pretending to be women loses case about having his scrotum waxed and promptly attacks a reporter outside the courthouse:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/trans-gression-female-activist-who-flipped-out-when-women-refused-wax-his-balls-attacks

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @MikeatMikedotMike


    Man pretending to be women loses case about having his scrotum waxed
     
    This information has made my life richer, more meaningful & fulfilled.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    The victim seems half the size of his assaultress.

    And why does "the Real Keean" have a Hong Kong flag on his Twitter account? That's kinda cucky for Hongcouver.

    , @anonymous
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    This chap is ready for his very own "South Park" episode.

    , @sb
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    I thought she was a vegan

  4. where “left-leaning” refers to beliefs typically associated with the Democratic Party, including a more “dovish” approach to war

    I made it this far. Congratulations, you wasted your time and some of mine. Not curious but did they go on to explain that “real” communism hasn’t been tried?

    • Agree: Alfa158, Old Prude
    • Replies: @c matt
    @J.Ross

    Agree - start with an inaccurate measuring stick, get useless data. If my yardstick is two miles long, then the Himalayas are only a couple of feet tall.

  5. My apologies for another OT, but ZH has some good stuff today:

    Gwyneth Paltrow’s own vagina scented candles sell out. They are $75 a piece.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/burning-sensation-gwyneth-paltrows-75-vagina-scented-candle-already-sold-out

    • Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Skankhausen by proxy.

    , @Old Prude
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    WTF. I’ve been married to the same woman for the past thirty years, but my recollection is that each vagina smells different.

    , @Penskefile
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Gives new meaning to the term "gag gift"

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    We are in the dawn of the Age of the Matriarchy. Get used to vagina scented candles. In a few years just the thought of pussy will roil your stomach. By the way, Gwyneth's mother, Blythe Danner, was quite the lovely lass. Way hotter than sad sack Gwyneth.

  6. the “antiwar” position was indicated by support of the Democratic Party, which, to a large extent, opposed the Vietnam and Iraq wars,

    L O friggin’ L.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Ghost you know better. Yes LBJ was a Democrat.

    Those antiwar-protesters in the 1960's weren't Young Republicans. You know that.

    Anyone on the street protesting the Iraq war circa 03- 09 damn sure wasn't a Republican. At least not a Republican in good standing.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @William Badwhite

    , @anonymous
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Ghost you know better. Yes LBJ was a Democrat.

    Those antiwar-protesters in the 1960's weren't Young Republicans. You know that.

    Anyone on the street protesting the Iraq war circa 03- 09 damn sure wasn't a Republican. At least not a Republican in good standing.

  7. Right-Wing

    Clint Eastwood
    Cary Grant
    Charlton Heston
    Bob Hope
    Dwayne Johnson
    Matthew McConaughey
    Steve McQueen
    Chuck Norris
    Adam Sandler
    Arnold Schwarzenegger
    Sylvester Stallone
    Vince Vaughn
    John Wayne
    Bruce Willis

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @ScarletNumber

    Add:

    Glenn Ford
    James Woods
    Jon Voight
    James Caan
    Robert Duvall

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Reg Cæsar

    , @R.G. Camara
    @ScarletNumber


    Arnold Schwarzenegger
     
    the guy who personally escorted Greta Thonberg around California by bike.

    the guy who is now a committed AGW loony.

    The standards for "right wing" are really loose these days.

    Replies: @petit bourgeois

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @ScarletNumber

    But isn't it likely that actors can only express right-ish views if their fan base will approve (or at least not object). Otherwise they'll just stay in the closet. So you're partly just measuring the politics of their fans as much as anything

    BTW, is any A-list star an actual out-of-closet Trump supporter? I think Trump is just too toxic in Hollywood for anyone with actual career prospects to publicly climb on his bandwagon.

    Which is ironic, because Trump is probably our most show biz President ever, even more than Reagan.

    , @soonertroll
    @ScarletNumber

    You left off James Stewart, who was more right-wing than anyone on your list. When people list Hollywood Republicans, past & present, for some reason Jimmy Stewart is often not remembered as the staunch conservative he was.

    Prior to the mid 1960's I believe Hollywood leaned more rightward than left.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @slumber_j, @Joe Stalin

    , @Pericles
    @ScarletNumber

    Missed Mel Gibson and Gary Oldman.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    , @Ron Mexico
    @ScarletNumber

    Tom Selleck

    , @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    @ScarletNumber


    Dwayne Johnson
     
    That's just residual basedness, from coming into contact with the superhuman levels of Hulk Hogan (or HH to his fans).

    Adam Sandler
    Arnold Schwarzenegger
     
    Gotta say I've never heard something like that about Sandler, and before I looked it up I didn't know Schwarzenegger was a Republican(!) Based on his track record as governor I assumed he was a Democrat, though I suppose there's not much difference between the two over the past 30-40 odd years.

    But I suppose believing that an infinite numbers of immigrants should be allowed to come to your country, so long as they retain the inalienable right to be heavily armed, is all it takes to be "right wing" according to mainstream politics.
    , @Hibernian
    @ScarletNumber

    Michael Moriarty

  8. The wife used to be Banquet Manager at a resort hotel. Harmon attended one of these events, and shamelessly hit on her. She pointed out her ring, told him that she was married, but he wouldn’t stop. So she called me (chef at the time) and I went to the banquet room and told him “I see you’ve met my wife.” My observation at the time was that my six foot tall wife was about two inches taller than Harmon was.

    Dude is a little weasel.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Ozymandias

    I'm enjoying the thought of you brandishing a large meat cleaver at the time.

  9. I’ve been lifting for 23 years, and I went from Leninist twerp to somewhere on the right of Attila the Hun.

    • Replies: @another anon
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    I’ve been lifting for 23 years, and I went from Leninist twerp to somewhere on the right of Attila the Hun.
     
    What this means, in concrete terms?
    You saw black and brown people as your fellow workers, you hated the capitalists and wanted to cut their throats. Now you love the capitalists and want to cut black and brown people's throats?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K_oAPnjhw0
  10. Height and muscularity were positively associated with right-wing politics. Ethnicity (White Gentile) and gender (male) also appear to correlate with right-wing politics.

    So Arnold Schwarzenegger would be a typical conservative.

    Gladiator would be a typically conservative film. The film glorifies traits like masculinity, stoicism, strength, honor, duty, and patriotism. The slogan of the movie was “strength and honor.”

    Here’s a scene that I think conservatives would appreciate. Start watching at 40 seconds into the video.

    Here’s a cool scene that I felt like sharing.

    The villain of the film was Commodus, who was portrayed as weak, cowardly, effete, feminine, sexually ambiguous, selfish, and narcissistic.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Arnold Schwarzenegger is basically a Bush Republican. Which is to say not very conservative.

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Despite what the liberal media wants us to believe, Gladiator did a good job of capturing the cultural tension of ancient Rome through the contrasting personalities of Maximus and Commodus for exactly the reasons you state.

    The prayer scene is also a nice Roman cultural touch. In it, Maximus appears to be venerating his family, ancestors, and possibly the household deity known as Lares.

    https://www.ancient.eu/article/34/roman-household-spirits-manes-panes-and-lares/

    , @LondonBob
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The first half of Gladiator is almost identical to the first half of The Fall of the Roman Empire.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ-sPXgSWCs

    The second half seems to go on about making barbarians Roman citizens, Marcus Aurelius's supposed last wish, typical sixties very left wing promotion of multiculturalism and immigration, so Gladiator is a lot more right wing, like most of Ridley Scott's films.

  11. not sure what’s right wing about fighting wars for our fake “allies”, an implication of the study. I do agree that willingness to stand up for yourself is a more right wing trait though. Sanders getting slandered and taking it like a little cuck last night was a good example of left wing men’s general lack of masculinity. Drumthf would never stand there like a dumbass while pathological liar pocahontas mouthed off.

    Weirdly many big time commies have been pretty masculine Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Chavez etc. Maybe leftism is a mentality where you have one super alpha and a bunch of betas like gorilla or hippo society.

  12. Left-Wing

    Jack Black
    Humphrey Bogart
    Marlon Brando
    Mel Brooks
    Pierce Brosnan
    Nicholas Cage
    Jim Carrey
    Charlie Chaplin
    Don Cheadle
    John Cleese
    George Clooney
    Russell Crowe
    Tom Cruise
    Matt Damon
    Patrick Dempsey
    Robert DeNiro
    Johnny Depp
    Leonardo DiCaprio
    Will Ferrell
    Henry Fonda
    Harrison Ford
    Jamie Foxx
    Morgan Freeman
    Jake Gyllenhaal
    Tom Hanks
    Dustin Hoffman
    Anthony Hopkins
    Jack Lemmon
    Steve Martin
    Eddie Murphy
    Bill Murray
    Mike Myers
    Paul Newman
    Jack Nicholson
    Ed Norton
    Al Pacino
    Brad Pitt
    Richard Pryor
    Robert Redford
    Keanu Reeves
    Chris Rock
    Will Smith
    Ben Stiller
    Denzel Washington
    Gene Wilder
    Robin Williams
    Owen Wilson

    • Replies: @cynthia curran
    @ScarletNumber

    Will Ferrall is tall. He became a leftist since his father was in a band. He was born in Irvine California when most white people are conservative. So, to rebel he became a leftist. This also happen with Jackson Browne who wanted to rebel against Orange County as well and became a leftist.

  13. As to height:

    I’ve noticed that a lot of Left wing Big Names are very tall. Comey, Clinton, John Kerry, Obama, Trudeau from Canada, all are very tall compared with average. I don’t know if its true for Righty big names, but it seems as if tall left wing men get ahead real quick. I get the sense from Left wing big men that many of them chose the left-wing path because they could physically intimidate the majority of smaller Left wing men into following and left-wing women, seeking a sexy male leader to groupie for, went for height.

    Story time:

    I encountered a left-wing political leader type kid back in college.. He was a mid-20s “name” who went around speaking on campuses and drumming up support and followings for left-wing causes. He was quite tall (6’3″ or thereabouts). Given his age, his height, and his looks (Trudeau-type), he had lots of females at his speeches and rallies. Not a bad gig for getting laid, I don’t hate on him for it..

    I’m only about average height, btw. Important for the rest of the story.

    I got sucked into attending one of his speeches, and holy cow it pissed me off. He was off the rails with lies and commie propaganda—shades of Antifa nonsense today. It was like Michael Moore and Jane Fonda had a baby and made it watch Young Turks for its lifetime.

    I got so pissed . I walked right up to the podium in the middle and started yelling at him (I was young and hotheaded and stupid). He dared me (in front of his audience) to get on stage, which I did (again, I wasn’t brave, just emotional and dumb). I got up about 5-10 feet away from him.

    He then made an fake aggressive step towards me with a big stomp, which I recognized as a move designed to scare me—to “scatter the pigeons”; the kind of thing you do to scare pets or small children. Instead of backing off, however, I took the same step towards him, and kept walking to him. Not running, but I was perfectly prepared thanks to anger to start going at it with him.

    That;s when he did something surprising to me: he immediately started walking backwards, put his hands up, and called for help, at which point a couple of audience guys got between us and told me to leave.

    Now, this guy was at least a head taller than me, and young and in shape then. In any fight with him, I would lose, but I was gonna at least make him sore and maybe bruise him, I was so angry. And he called me out on stage. But when confronted with an actual physical threat that wasn’t scared of him, he ran. He would rather be a coward than suffer a little pain from his own challenge.

    It’s always stuck with me about tall lefty men. I think they’ve been ensconced with soy boys and females and degenerates so much they just assume you’re going to back down and they’re not going to fight. But actually call them on the bluff and they wither.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @R.G. Camara

    Bill de Blasio:

    Big boss man
    Well you ain't so big
    You just tall that's just about all.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @R.G. Camara

    I take your point, but in this guy's defense, it's never a good idea to get into a fight if you don't have to. Anything can happen. You might have pulled out a knife and stabbed him; he might have socked you once and killed you.

    So good on you for asserting yourself, but I don't blame him for choosing not to mix it up.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @R.G. Camara, @Pericles

    , @Not My Economy
    @R.G. Camara

    Now imagine the same story unfolding except instead of some random 6'3 talker, it's Governor Ralph Northam and instead of you it's a bunch of boomers with ARs

    , @Twinkie
    @R.G. Camara


    Now, this guy was at least a head taller than me, and young and in shape then. In any fight with him, I would lose
     
    With that kind of an attitude, you would, but...

    but I was gonna at least make him sore and maybe bruise him, I was so angry.
     
    AKA, the French nuclear strategy. Saved many a man from a mugging.

    I got into many fights as a young man and spent a considerable portion of my life learning about and training in fighting. As far as the average person on the street goes, there is very little correlations between size/height and fighting ability. In a confrontation between two men without any training or experience, the one that is more aggressive and - to be frank - mean is likely to win the fight.

    Now if one or both of them has training/experience, it's a whole other ball of wax.

    Replies: @JMcG

    , @Charlotte
    @R.G. Camara

    Here’s another tall lefty leader: Mao Zedong was 5’10” or 5’11” when the average height on a mainland Chinese man was something like 5’4”.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @R.G. Camara


    I’ve noticed that a lot of Left wing Big Names are very tall.
     
    John Kenneth Galbraith:


    https://i.pinimg.com/236x/59/e4/ae/59e4aed1a5b224be93e3cc107ed84740--los-kennedy-jacqueline-kennedy-onassis.jpg


    https://library.ucsd.edu/dc/object/bb0922609t/_3.jpg


    https://frontline.thehindu.com/static/html/fl1810/18100491.jpg


    https://external-preview.redd.it/P5hGvfcAPICWIdw-pUQ3HRBxRAd3E2lM8NJ7XMR0kmw.jpg?auto=webp&s=f8a39ccecb21cd362ad0bbca5144e6962b9d7bbd

    "All great economists are tall. There are two exceptions: John Kenneth Galbraith and Milton Friedman." ~ George Stigler.


    Bill Walton (6'11") was arrested protesting the Vietnam War. He was bailed out by John Wooden.

    By the way, he and brother Bruce are the only siblings to appear in the NBA championship series and the Super Bowl. RIP, Bruce:


    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/obituaries/story/2019-10-21/bruce-walton-athlete-and-radio-executive-1951-2019

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @R.G. Camara


    I encountered a left-wing political leader type kid back in college.. He was a mid-20s “name” who went around speaking on campuses and drumming up support and followings for left-wing causes. He was quite tall (6’3″ or thereabouts). Given his age, his height, and his looks (Trudeau-type), he had lots of females at his speeches and rallies.
     
    So, you met PC Bro?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4Jkqqu2bbs
    , @Alden
    @R.G. Camara

    Great story lefties are first and foremost bullies. Congratulations.

  14. Any physical explanations for Left vs Right female movie stars? Why did, for example, these women lean Right:

    Barbara Stanwyck

    Ginger Rogers

    Jane Russell

    June Allyson

    Whereas these gals go Left:

    Jane Fonda

    Susan Sarandon

    Alyssa Milano

    Emma Watson

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @syonredux

    You're comparing women from two different eras. Your right-leaning women stars predate feminism and the pronounced leftward tilt of Hollywood. Your left-leaners all started their careers after those factors.

    This is the problem with this whole study--when you're talking about Hollywood, you're talking about an industry whose culture is left-wing and which puts pressure on actors to line up on that side. Granted, some stars like Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Gibson, and Willis are big enough that that they can survive as dissidents, and others have been willing to take a hit to their careers in order to express their views--I'd put James Woods and Jon Voight in that category.

    If you really wanted to study whether muscular men tend to be more conservative, you'd be better off finding them in an environment in which there was not so much pressure to conform to leftist views.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    , @baythoven
    @syonredux

    Two more very conservative actresses from old Hollywood come immediately to my mind:
    Irene Dunne, Shirley Temple

    I can only think of one modern-day conservative actress: Patricia Heaton. That lady has shown real courage.

    Any others? I do remember being impressed by Renee Zellweger some years ago when she was asked a softball political question during an interview. Rather than preening with the expected goodthink answer, she replied, "I don't think I'm informed enough to give an opinion on that." (Not that that necessarily signifies.)

    , @c matt
    @syonredux

    My guess - it's a real woman vs. little girl thing. Seems the left leaning ones grew older, but never grew up.

  15. GEEZ, I really got to hit the gym!

  16. istevefan says:

    One of the biggest myths in US public life is that democrats are anti-war and republicans are pro-war. Of course the the neocon wing of the GOP has done a lot to reinforce this perception over the past 20 years. But that perception existed prior to our military adventures that followed 9-11.

    You can go through a laundry list of American participation in wars throughout the past 100 years and you will find democrat presidents leading us into war as often, or even more than the GOP.

    When it comes to the anti-war movements, all anti-war movements that sprung from the left are considered sacred while those springing from the right are either ignored or condemned as being driven by racist sentiments.

    For example, the Vietnam era anti-war folks are considered heroes today while the American Firsters of pre-WW2 are denounced. Eugene Debbs, the anti-war protester of WW1, is held in much higher esteem than Charles Lindbergh who opposed our entry into WW2.

    Even today there is more anti-war support coming from the right, but they are denounced as racists. I recall the Code Pink bunch, whom we heard much from during Bush’s reign, refused to join forces with the likes of Pat Buchanan types. Code Pink was supposedly against the war because they did not want us bombing brown people. While the Buchanan types were supposedly against the war because they did not want us wasting blood and treasure saving brown people.

    If we had listened to the so-called anti-war democrats , we’d have engaged in a full out war with Russia by now over the supposed 2016 election nonissue.

  17. Personally, I am in favor of Alyssa Milano leaning either way more often . . .

  18. Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn’t have much moral courage as it turns out, however. He collapsed as governor of California when the opposition got strong. And now, he goes out of his way to champion Leftist causes.

    He chooses to be a “winner” at all costs, even if that means cheating his own voters.

    He’s currently saying whatever Hollywood wants to hear about the environment or Trump, in order to get a pat on the head. So, in the long run, you might be better off with guys who’ve had to show some moral/social courage over displays of physical strength.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @RichardTaylor

    A lot uncrackable revolutionary/terrorist groups are formed by people who spent time in prison.


    For good reason. Nobody in Abu Bakr al-baghdadis inner circle had to wonder if he was for real. They met in an Iraqi prison/torture site for terrorists. Costs had been paid by all of them and sincerity proved with the blood spilled by enemies and brothers alike. You can't just slip a CIA plant into the top ranks of a group like that.

    Hitler, Fidel, Che, Mao, Mandela, Osama.

    Nobody had to guess if these guys were in it come what may. That inspires loyalty and trust and strong inner cores of their movements. Bona fides are proved *before* they become popular or leaders of mass movements. For good reason--talk is cheap when people are asking you to take risks for them.

    , @Anon87
    @RichardTaylor

    With his trajectory, I can almost see Arnold going MtF tranny soon. Stopping the roids I think scrambled his hormones.

    Meanwhile Sly seems to continue to juice, and he gets more "blackpilled" the older he gets.

  19. @JohnnyWalker123
    Height and muscularity were positively associated with right-wing politics. Ethnicity (White Gentile) and gender (male) also appear to correlate with right-wing politics.

    So Arnold Schwarzenegger would be a typical conservative.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbjjhKaoZKs

    Gladiator would be a typically conservative film. The film glorifies traits like masculinity, stoicism, strength, honor, duty, and patriotism. The slogan of the movie was "strength and honor."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owK1qxDselE

    Here's a scene that I think conservatives would appreciate. Start watching at 40 seconds into the video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIAzXNuDveU

    Here's a cool scene that I felt like sharing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1UmHfWCw-4

    The villain of the film was Commodus, who was portrayed as weak, cowardly, effete, feminine, sexually ambiguous, selfish, and narcissistic.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @The Wild Geese Howard, @LondonBob

    Arnold Schwarzenegger is basically a Bush Republican. Which is to say not very conservative.

    • Agree: TWS, Kevin O'Keeffe
  20. I was *wondering* how that would change given the rise of the antiwar right post-Iraq. I would like to see something systematic, though–people tend to ignore people who don’t fit their mental framework.

  21. @syonredux
    Any physical explanations for Left vs Right female movie stars? Why did, for example, these women lean Right:

    Barbara Stanwyck

    Ginger Rogers

    Jane Russell

    June Allyson


    Whereas these gals go Left:


    Jane Fonda

    Susan Sarandon

    Alyssa Milano


    Emma Watson

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @baythoven, @c matt

    You’re comparing women from two different eras. Your right-leaning women stars predate feminism and the pronounced leftward tilt of Hollywood. Your left-leaners all started their careers after those factors.

    This is the problem with this whole study–when you’re talking about Hollywood, you’re talking about an industry whose culture is left-wing and which puts pressure on actors to line up on that side. Granted, some stars like Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Gibson, and Willis are big enough that that they can survive as dissidents, and others have been willing to take a hit to their careers in order to express their views–I’d put James Woods and Jon Voight in that category.

    If you really wanted to study whether muscular men tend to be more conservative, you’d be better off finding them in an environment in which there was not so much pressure to conform to leftist views.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @Harry Baldwin


    If you really wanted to study whether muscular men tend to be more conservative, you’d be better off finding them in an environment in which there was not so much pressure to conform to leftist views.
     
    ... said someone who has never seen the inside of a gym. Cozif you have, it's not even a remotely interesting question.

    Srsly... even I - yea, verily, I - am routinely appalled by the weltanschauung of the average gymbro.

    If I was writing a test, the 'assert' would be: if a bloke's biceps are 17"+ cold, he's what Americans would call "conservative" (without the fuckwitted religion overlay/baggage that Yanks have).

    Likewise: I have never known anyone who could bench 330lb who was identifiably 'progressive' (in the US sense of the word).

    The hard limit is 20 pullups: if there is a genuine progressive who can do 20 dead-hang pullups at a bodyweight >200lb, I will join the Thunberger Climate Cult tomorrow and advocate for it for the rest of my days.*

    Note that I have known dozens - perhaps hundreds - of men who had solid arms and a 300 bench, who would evince 'progressive' attitudes if they thought it would enable them to get an aerobics instructor in the sack. I only know about 20 200lb guys who can do 20 pullups, and they're all slightly to the right of Reinhard Heydrich.

    [*] No, I won't, actually. Not unless that motherfucker does 20 in front of me, and then we get drunk together (during which time he will reveal the depths of his wrongthink, giving me the easy out at first).

    Replies: @UK, @another anon

  22. @ScarletNumber
    Right-Wing

    Clint Eastwood
    Cary Grant
    Charlton Heston
    Bob Hope
    Dwayne Johnson
    Matthew McConaughey
    Steve McQueen
    Chuck Norris
    Adam Sandler
    Arnold Schwarzenegger
    Sylvester Stallone
    Vince Vaughn
    John Wayne
    Bruce Willis

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @R.G. Camara, @Hypnotoad666, @soonertroll, @Pericles, @Ron Mexico, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Hibernian

    Add:

    Glenn Ford
    James Woods
    Jon Voight
    James Caan
    Robert Duvall

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Harry Baldwin

    They weren't included in the study

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Harry Baldwin

    Don't forget Adolphe Menjou, who loved to goad Katherine Hepburn.


    Occasional actor Yukio Mishima performed seppuku on-screen in 1966, then in real life in 1970, after an attempted coup. In between, he enlisted in the Self Defense Force (i.e., army) at 42, went through basic, then left to form his own militia.

  23. @R.G. Camara
    As to height:

    I've noticed that a lot of Left wing Big Names are very tall. Comey, Clinton, John Kerry, Obama, Trudeau from Canada, all are very tall compared with average. I don't know if its true for Righty big names, but it seems as if tall left wing men get ahead real quick. I get the sense from Left wing big men that many of them chose the left-wing path because they could physically intimidate the majority of smaller Left wing men into following and left-wing women, seeking a sexy male leader to groupie for, went for height.

    Story time:

    I encountered a left-wing political leader type kid back in college.. He was a mid-20s "name" who went around speaking on campuses and drumming up support and followings for left-wing causes. He was quite tall (6'3" or thereabouts). Given his age, his height, and his looks (Trudeau-type), he had lots of females at his speeches and rallies. Not a bad gig for getting laid, I don't hate on him for it..

    I'm only about average height, btw. Important for the rest of the story.

    I got sucked into attending one of his speeches, and holy cow it pissed me off. He was off the rails with lies and commie propaganda---shades of Antifa nonsense today. It was like Michael Moore and Jane Fonda had a baby and made it watch Young Turks for its lifetime.

    I got so pissed . I walked right up to the podium in the middle and started yelling at him (I was young and hotheaded and stupid). He dared me (in front of his audience) to get on stage, which I did (again, I wasn't brave, just emotional and dumb). I got up about 5-10 feet away from him.

    He then made an fake aggressive step towards me with a big stomp, which I recognized as a move designed to scare me---to "scatter the pigeons"; the kind of thing you do to scare pets or small children. Instead of backing off, however, I took the same step towards him, and kept walking to him. Not running, but I was perfectly prepared thanks to anger to start going at it with him.

    That;s when he did something surprising to me: he immediately started walking backwards, put his hands up, and called for help, at which point a couple of audience guys got between us and told me to leave.

    Now, this guy was at least a head taller than me, and young and in shape then. In any fight with him, I would lose, but I was gonna at least make him sore and maybe bruise him, I was so angry. And he called me out on stage. But when confronted with an actual physical threat that wasn't scared of him, he ran. He would rather be a coward than suffer a little pain from his own challenge.

    It's always stuck with me about tall lefty men. I think they've been ensconced with soy boys and females and degenerates so much they just assume you're going to back down and they're not going to fight. But actually call them on the bluff and they wither.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Harry Baldwin, @Not My Economy, @Twinkie, @Charlotte, @Reg Cæsar, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alden

    Bill de Blasio:

    Big boss man
    Well you ain’t so big
    You just tall that’s just about all.

  24. Rambo’s Sylvester Stallone supports gun control

    BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. — Sylvester Stallone says that despite his “Rambo” image and new shoot-em-up film “Bullet to the Head,” he’s in favor of new national gun control legislation.

    Stallone supported the 1994 “Brady bill” that included a now-expired ban on assault weapons, and hopes that ban can be reinstated.

    “I know people get (upset) and go, ‘They’re going to take away the assault weapon.’ Who … needs an assault weapon? Like really, unless you’re carrying out an assault. … You can’t hunt with it. … Who’s going to attack your house, a (expletive) army?”

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/2/rambos-sylvester-stallone-supports-gun-control/

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Joe Stalin

    Presumably the ole Italian Stallion would prefer to abolish boxing too.

    , @c matt
    @Joe Stalin


    You can’t hunt with it.
     
    Putting aside the issue that the 2A has zilch to do with hunting, actually, you can use an AR 15 for hunting.
  25. @R.G. Camara
    As to height:

    I've noticed that a lot of Left wing Big Names are very tall. Comey, Clinton, John Kerry, Obama, Trudeau from Canada, all are very tall compared with average. I don't know if its true for Righty big names, but it seems as if tall left wing men get ahead real quick. I get the sense from Left wing big men that many of them chose the left-wing path because they could physically intimidate the majority of smaller Left wing men into following and left-wing women, seeking a sexy male leader to groupie for, went for height.

    Story time:

    I encountered a left-wing political leader type kid back in college.. He was a mid-20s "name" who went around speaking on campuses and drumming up support and followings for left-wing causes. He was quite tall (6'3" or thereabouts). Given his age, his height, and his looks (Trudeau-type), he had lots of females at his speeches and rallies. Not a bad gig for getting laid, I don't hate on him for it..

    I'm only about average height, btw. Important for the rest of the story.

    I got sucked into attending one of his speeches, and holy cow it pissed me off. He was off the rails with lies and commie propaganda---shades of Antifa nonsense today. It was like Michael Moore and Jane Fonda had a baby and made it watch Young Turks for its lifetime.

    I got so pissed . I walked right up to the podium in the middle and started yelling at him (I was young and hotheaded and stupid). He dared me (in front of his audience) to get on stage, which I did (again, I wasn't brave, just emotional and dumb). I got up about 5-10 feet away from him.

    He then made an fake aggressive step towards me with a big stomp, which I recognized as a move designed to scare me---to "scatter the pigeons"; the kind of thing you do to scare pets or small children. Instead of backing off, however, I took the same step towards him, and kept walking to him. Not running, but I was perfectly prepared thanks to anger to start going at it with him.

    That;s when he did something surprising to me: he immediately started walking backwards, put his hands up, and called for help, at which point a couple of audience guys got between us and told me to leave.

    Now, this guy was at least a head taller than me, and young and in shape then. In any fight with him, I would lose, but I was gonna at least make him sore and maybe bruise him, I was so angry. And he called me out on stage. But when confronted with an actual physical threat that wasn't scared of him, he ran. He would rather be a coward than suffer a little pain from his own challenge.

    It's always stuck with me about tall lefty men. I think they've been ensconced with soy boys and females and degenerates so much they just assume you're going to back down and they're not going to fight. But actually call them on the bluff and they wither.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Harry Baldwin, @Not My Economy, @Twinkie, @Charlotte, @Reg Cæsar, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alden

    I take your point, but in this guy’s defense, it’s never a good idea to get into a fight if you don’t have to. Anything can happen. You might have pulled out a knife and stabbed him; he might have socked you once and killed you.

    So good on you for asserting yourself, but I don’t blame him for choosing not to mix it up.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Harry Baldwin


    "but I don’t blame him for choosing not to mix it up."
     
    He only "chose" not to mix it up after

    1) choosing to give a provocative and slanderous speech,

    2) choosing to dare the smaller heckler to get on stage with him,

    3) choosing to threaten physically and provoke the smaller man.

    He chose methodically and repeatedly to escalate the conflict.

    When he suddenly broke from all his previous choices and ran away, he wasn't really "choosing" anymore, he was just chickensh*t.
    , @R.G. Camara
    @Harry Baldwin

    I agree (don't fight crazies or hecklers), but Almost Missouri's comment here applies: the guy basically bluffed me up all the way up into a fight and then ran like a girl.

    If he'd been non-confrontational up to that point, his actions in running away would've been non cowardly.

    But he decided to spew really out of bounds stuff ("the U.S. Military has a policy of genocide to the present day") , dared me to get on stage, and then made an aggressive stomp at me.

    This wasn't me picking a fight, this was him picking one and escalating at every turn. And then turning tail and running when I called him on it.

    n.b. I've attended political speeches I didn't agree with, but the speakers never roused me to anger with blatant commie lies or openly dared me to confront them. In other words, this is the one and only time I've ever done this, as hot headed as I can be.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @Pericles
    @Harry Baldwin

    A coward dies a thousand deaths. A mouthy coward even more.

  26. @R.G. Camara
    As to height:

    I've noticed that a lot of Left wing Big Names are very tall. Comey, Clinton, John Kerry, Obama, Trudeau from Canada, all are very tall compared with average. I don't know if its true for Righty big names, but it seems as if tall left wing men get ahead real quick. I get the sense from Left wing big men that many of them chose the left-wing path because they could physically intimidate the majority of smaller Left wing men into following and left-wing women, seeking a sexy male leader to groupie for, went for height.

    Story time:

    I encountered a left-wing political leader type kid back in college.. He was a mid-20s "name" who went around speaking on campuses and drumming up support and followings for left-wing causes. He was quite tall (6'3" or thereabouts). Given his age, his height, and his looks (Trudeau-type), he had lots of females at his speeches and rallies. Not a bad gig for getting laid, I don't hate on him for it..

    I'm only about average height, btw. Important for the rest of the story.

    I got sucked into attending one of his speeches, and holy cow it pissed me off. He was off the rails with lies and commie propaganda---shades of Antifa nonsense today. It was like Michael Moore and Jane Fonda had a baby and made it watch Young Turks for its lifetime.

    I got so pissed . I walked right up to the podium in the middle and started yelling at him (I was young and hotheaded and stupid). He dared me (in front of his audience) to get on stage, which I did (again, I wasn't brave, just emotional and dumb). I got up about 5-10 feet away from him.

    He then made an fake aggressive step towards me with a big stomp, which I recognized as a move designed to scare me---to "scatter the pigeons"; the kind of thing you do to scare pets or small children. Instead of backing off, however, I took the same step towards him, and kept walking to him. Not running, but I was perfectly prepared thanks to anger to start going at it with him.

    That;s when he did something surprising to me: he immediately started walking backwards, put his hands up, and called for help, at which point a couple of audience guys got between us and told me to leave.

    Now, this guy was at least a head taller than me, and young and in shape then. In any fight with him, I would lose, but I was gonna at least make him sore and maybe bruise him, I was so angry. And he called me out on stage. But when confronted with an actual physical threat that wasn't scared of him, he ran. He would rather be a coward than suffer a little pain from his own challenge.

    It's always stuck with me about tall lefty men. I think they've been ensconced with soy boys and females and degenerates so much they just assume you're going to back down and they're not going to fight. But actually call them on the bluff and they wither.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Harry Baldwin, @Not My Economy, @Twinkie, @Charlotte, @Reg Cæsar, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alden

    Now imagine the same story unfolding except instead of some random 6’3 talker, it’s Governor Ralph Northam and instead of you it’s a bunch of boomers with ARs

  27. Anonymous[688] • Disclaimer says:

    Hollywood political data is murky.

    Obviously the actual % of pretenders and liars (deeply closeted) in any dataset is unknown. But we can assume here a large ass number of elaborate liars due to the known pressures applied to Hollywood right wingers.

    And what can you say about the Commies-In-Name-Only. Certain A-listers who live almost every second of their lives as capitalist libertarians/conservatives but then spend a small amount of time cheering the leftwing party line for media appearances.

    We’re supposed to believe that they are lefties. But they’re living decadent comfortable and splendorous lives. Cavorting in assorted exotic playgrounds across the world. They have Victorian style domestic servant staffs etc.

    These people are on the Fidel Castro plan: Wear the military fatigues and recite party platform boilerplate but strictly for public consumption. The private life is radically different.

  28. Here is a bit of a test case on nurture.

    Keanu Reeves used to be very left-wing, I think. And he tended to play dopey goof or sensitive guys on film. But he’s been doing this for the last few years:

    Doing Jits with the Machado Brothers and running guns with Taran Butler. Is Reeves more conservative now?

    • Replies: @TWS
    @Twinkie

    His technique was legit in the John wick movies. I can't tell if that's him or his double though

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Twinkie

    Keanu is also big into motorcycles. IIRC, he even has his own custom bike shop/company.

  29. That paper is from back before the replication crisis made people sufficiently skeptical of many studies. I know Andrew Gelman savaged a similar paper on arm strength being correlated with a taste for redistribution.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @TGGP

    I noticed this pattern with movie stars -- action stars more on the right -- back in the 1980s. I wrote about it in 2000:

    https://www.upi.com/Archives/2000/12/29/Where-have-all-the-GOP-celebrities-gone/7631978066000/

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  30. @R.G. Camara
    As to height:

    I've noticed that a lot of Left wing Big Names are very tall. Comey, Clinton, John Kerry, Obama, Trudeau from Canada, all are very tall compared with average. I don't know if its true for Righty big names, but it seems as if tall left wing men get ahead real quick. I get the sense from Left wing big men that many of them chose the left-wing path because they could physically intimidate the majority of smaller Left wing men into following and left-wing women, seeking a sexy male leader to groupie for, went for height.

    Story time:

    I encountered a left-wing political leader type kid back in college.. He was a mid-20s "name" who went around speaking on campuses and drumming up support and followings for left-wing causes. He was quite tall (6'3" or thereabouts). Given his age, his height, and his looks (Trudeau-type), he had lots of females at his speeches and rallies. Not a bad gig for getting laid, I don't hate on him for it..

    I'm only about average height, btw. Important for the rest of the story.

    I got sucked into attending one of his speeches, and holy cow it pissed me off. He was off the rails with lies and commie propaganda---shades of Antifa nonsense today. It was like Michael Moore and Jane Fonda had a baby and made it watch Young Turks for its lifetime.

    I got so pissed . I walked right up to the podium in the middle and started yelling at him (I was young and hotheaded and stupid). He dared me (in front of his audience) to get on stage, which I did (again, I wasn't brave, just emotional and dumb). I got up about 5-10 feet away from him.

    He then made an fake aggressive step towards me with a big stomp, which I recognized as a move designed to scare me---to "scatter the pigeons"; the kind of thing you do to scare pets or small children. Instead of backing off, however, I took the same step towards him, and kept walking to him. Not running, but I was perfectly prepared thanks to anger to start going at it with him.

    That;s when he did something surprising to me: he immediately started walking backwards, put his hands up, and called for help, at which point a couple of audience guys got between us and told me to leave.

    Now, this guy was at least a head taller than me, and young and in shape then. In any fight with him, I would lose, but I was gonna at least make him sore and maybe bruise him, I was so angry. And he called me out on stage. But when confronted with an actual physical threat that wasn't scared of him, he ran. He would rather be a coward than suffer a little pain from his own challenge.

    It's always stuck with me about tall lefty men. I think they've been ensconced with soy boys and females and degenerates so much they just assume you're going to back down and they're not going to fight. But actually call them on the bluff and they wither.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Harry Baldwin, @Not My Economy, @Twinkie, @Charlotte, @Reg Cæsar, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alden

    Now, this guy was at least a head taller than me, and young and in shape then. In any fight with him, I would lose

    With that kind of an attitude, you would, but…

    but I was gonna at least make him sore and maybe bruise him, I was so angry.

    AKA, the French nuclear strategy. Saved many a man from a mugging.

    I got into many fights as a young man and spent a considerable portion of my life learning about and training in fighting. As far as the average person on the street goes, there is very little correlations between size/height and fighting ability. In a confrontation between two men without any training or experience, the one that is more aggressive and – to be frank – mean is likely to win the fight.

    Now if one or both of them has training/experience, it’s a whole other ball of wax.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Twinkie

    It’s not the size of the dog in the fight, it’s the size of the fight in the dog. I tell my son that, while he may get bigger and stronger than me, he’ll never be as mean as me.

  31. @Harry Baldwin
    @R.G. Camara

    I take your point, but in this guy's defense, it's never a good idea to get into a fight if you don't have to. Anything can happen. You might have pulled out a knife and stabbed him; he might have socked you once and killed you.

    So good on you for asserting yourself, but I don't blame him for choosing not to mix it up.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @R.G. Camara, @Pericles

    “but I don’t blame him for choosing not to mix it up.”

    He only “chose” not to mix it up after

    1) choosing to give a provocative and slanderous speech,

    2) choosing to dare the smaller heckler to get on stage with him,

    3) choosing to threaten physically and provoke the smaller man.

    He chose methodically and repeatedly to escalate the conflict.

    When he suddenly broke from all his previous choices and ran away, he wasn’t really “choosing” anymore, he was just chickensh*t.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
  32. Speaking of gun control Virginia is about to ban guns

    This used to be a right wing state and represents the future of America

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Herbpopejones


    Speaking of gun control Virginia is about to ban guns
     
    Wouldn't be the first time.


    https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/An_act_to_amend_an_act_entitled_an_act_reducing_into_one_the_several_acts_concerning_slaves_free_negroes_and_mulattoes_and_for_other_purposes_March_15_1832

    This used to be a right wing state and represents the future of America

     

    I'll give the Commonwealth credit for being one of only two Confederate States (as opposed to three in New England) that rejected the Sixteenth Amendment, the other being Yankee-infested Florida.

    Unfortunately, the Old Dominion was the second state to ratify the progressive madness of the Eighteenth. Which gave us the ATF, among other creatures. And there was her unyielding support for those other lefty crusades, the World Wars and the New Deal. Oh, and mandatory eugenic sterilization.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Herbpopejones

    Old Dominion is now a wholly owned subsidiary of CIA-Authoritarian Left Inc.

  33. The political opinions of dumb people are of course very important.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @obwandiyag

    Your statement is actually true insofar as most voters and most members of the public, from whom politicians derive their support, are dumb.

    That is if we here in Lake Wobegon are to say with self-satisfaction that average people are not much brighter than stupid ones.

    The political opinions of the majority of the public are indeed important. Most political theater is for them. It has to be.

  34. @Harry Baldwin
    @ScarletNumber

    Add:

    Glenn Ford
    James Woods
    Jon Voight
    James Caan
    Robert Duvall

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Reg Cæsar

    They weren’t included in the study

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @ScarletNumber

    Sorry, I didn't realize that was your criteria. I just thought it was a list of reportedly conservative actors.

  35. @Harry Baldwin
    @R.G. Camara

    I take your point, but in this guy's defense, it's never a good idea to get into a fight if you don't have to. Anything can happen. You might have pulled out a knife and stabbed him; he might have socked you once and killed you.

    So good on you for asserting yourself, but I don't blame him for choosing not to mix it up.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @R.G. Camara, @Pericles

    I agree (don’t fight crazies or hecklers), but Almost Missouri’s comment here applies: the guy basically bluffed me up all the way up into a fight and then ran like a girl.

    If he’d been non-confrontational up to that point, his actions in running away would’ve been non cowardly.

    But he decided to spew really out of bounds stuff (“the U.S. Military has a policy of genocide to the present day”) , dared me to get on stage, and then made an aggressive stomp at me.

    This wasn’t me picking a fight, this was him picking one and escalating at every turn. And then turning tail and running when I called him on it.

    n.b. I’ve attended political speeches I didn’t agree with, but the speakers never roused me to anger with blatant commie lies or openly dared me to confront them. In other words, this is the one and only time I’ve ever done this, as hot headed as I can be.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @R.G. Camara

    I didn't intend any criticism of you. He was an asshole and you faced him down and humiliated him. But in his case, accepting humiliation was probably a wise choice.

  36. Right and Left is meaningless in Hollywood?

    How exactly is scientologist Tom Cruise ‘leftist’? Just how is Matthew Mac a ‘rightist’?

    In the US, if you’re for lower taxes and say ‘gay marriage is a conservative value’, you’re considered ‘right’. I guess Cruise is leftist because he lost both his wives to Negroes despite being the biggest star in the world.

    It’s all BS.

    Hollywood is just narcissism.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Anonymous

    History has shown that the people of Hollywood will support going to war when it is good for the people of Hollywood.

  37. @MikeatMikedotMike
    My apologies for another OT, but ZH has some good stuff today:

    Gwyneth Paltrow's own vagina scented candles sell out. They are $75 a piece.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/burning-sensation-gwyneth-paltrows-75-vagina-scented-candle-already-sold-out

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Old Prude, @Penskefile, @SunBakedSuburb

    Skankhausen by proxy.

    • LOL: Mr McKenna, Lurker
  38. It would be interesting to know how diet fits into this. One would guess Right leaners would be more likely to eat more red meat, which helps build a strong body.

    Chicken (beef) or egg… Do the views on war precede the diet or come from it?

    Let’s face it, vegetarians and the like are far more likely to be Leftys.

    I have a problem with the narrow focus on war and how one favors it, though. Foolishly supporting war of any kind, now matter how little benefit to your own people and how high the co$t, would seem to be a stupid measure of a man. I say this as a godlike figure who grills a mean steak and gets a boner seeing an A-10 do its job, but opposes foreign entanglements.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "Let’s face it, vegetarians and the like are far more likely to be Leftys."
    Don't forget Der Fuhrer was a vegetarian.

  39. these left-wing causes:
    desire for more regulation of free market capitalism

    Except of their own industry. (Perhaps we should nationalize it.)

    The same blind spot is found in “journalists”.

  40. @R.G. Camara
    As to height:

    I've noticed that a lot of Left wing Big Names are very tall. Comey, Clinton, John Kerry, Obama, Trudeau from Canada, all are very tall compared with average. I don't know if its true for Righty big names, but it seems as if tall left wing men get ahead real quick. I get the sense from Left wing big men that many of them chose the left-wing path because they could physically intimidate the majority of smaller Left wing men into following and left-wing women, seeking a sexy male leader to groupie for, went for height.

    Story time:

    I encountered a left-wing political leader type kid back in college.. He was a mid-20s "name" who went around speaking on campuses and drumming up support and followings for left-wing causes. He was quite tall (6'3" or thereabouts). Given his age, his height, and his looks (Trudeau-type), he had lots of females at his speeches and rallies. Not a bad gig for getting laid, I don't hate on him for it..

    I'm only about average height, btw. Important for the rest of the story.

    I got sucked into attending one of his speeches, and holy cow it pissed me off. He was off the rails with lies and commie propaganda---shades of Antifa nonsense today. It was like Michael Moore and Jane Fonda had a baby and made it watch Young Turks for its lifetime.

    I got so pissed . I walked right up to the podium in the middle and started yelling at him (I was young and hotheaded and stupid). He dared me (in front of his audience) to get on stage, which I did (again, I wasn't brave, just emotional and dumb). I got up about 5-10 feet away from him.

    He then made an fake aggressive step towards me with a big stomp, which I recognized as a move designed to scare me---to "scatter the pigeons"; the kind of thing you do to scare pets or small children. Instead of backing off, however, I took the same step towards him, and kept walking to him. Not running, but I was perfectly prepared thanks to anger to start going at it with him.

    That;s when he did something surprising to me: he immediately started walking backwards, put his hands up, and called for help, at which point a couple of audience guys got between us and told me to leave.

    Now, this guy was at least a head taller than me, and young and in shape then. In any fight with him, I would lose, but I was gonna at least make him sore and maybe bruise him, I was so angry. And he called me out on stage. But when confronted with an actual physical threat that wasn't scared of him, he ran. He would rather be a coward than suffer a little pain from his own challenge.

    It's always stuck with me about tall lefty men. I think they've been ensconced with soy boys and females and degenerates so much they just assume you're going to back down and they're not going to fight. But actually call them on the bluff and they wither.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Harry Baldwin, @Not My Economy, @Twinkie, @Charlotte, @Reg Cæsar, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alden

    Here’s another tall lefty leader: Mao Zedong was 5’10” or 5’11” when the average height on a mainland Chinese man was something like 5’4”.

  41. @Anonymous
    Right and Left is meaningless in Hollywood?

    How exactly is scientologist Tom Cruise 'leftist'? Just how is Matthew Mac a 'rightist'?

    In the US, if you're for lower taxes and say 'gay marriage is a conservative value', you're considered 'right'. I guess Cruise is leftist because he lost both his wives to Negroes despite being the biggest star in the world.

    It's all BS.

    Hollywood is just narcissism.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    History has shown that the people of Hollywood will support going to war when it is good for the people of Hollywood.

  42. @Herbpopejones
    Speaking of gun control Virginia is about to ban guns

    This used to be a right wing state and represents the future of America

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @SunBakedSuburb

    Speaking of gun control Virginia is about to ban guns

    Wouldn’t be the first time.

    https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/An_act_to_amend_an_act_entitled_an_act_reducing_into_one_the_several_acts_concerning_slaves_free_negroes_and_mulattoes_and_for_other_purposes_March_15_1832

    This used to be a right wing state and represents the future of America

    I’ll give the Commonwealth credit for being one of only two Confederate States (as opposed to three in New England) that rejected the Sixteenth Amendment, the other being Yankee-infested Florida.

    Unfortunately, the Old Dominion was the second state to ratify the progressive madness of the Eighteenth. Which gave us the ATF, among other creatures. And there was her unyielding support for those other lefty crusades, the World Wars and the New Deal. Oh, and mandatory eugenic sterilization.

  43. Yeah, “Right” in Hollyweird doesn’t have much meaning when they all accept homosexuality and child abuse and child murder (abortion) and “dialogues” with the Left. Where all races are equal and diversity is double plus good!

    Screw them all. Let it burn.

    Ah, for the days of Harold Lloyd, Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, Cary Grant, Gary Cooper, and Frank Capra!

    Gary Cooper testified as a friendly before Congress during the 1950s commie hunts. A friendly! He told a funny story about how communists tried to recruit Hollywood actors about how everyone was equal in Soviet Russia, but great artists got special access to dachas and other “minor” privileges.

    You know: all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. The commies literally promised that (man, Orwell was right).

    The ranch-raised Cooper told Congress that their promises sounded like a whole load of horse manure.

  44. @Harry Baldwin
    @ScarletNumber

    Add:

    Glenn Ford
    James Woods
    Jon Voight
    James Caan
    Robert Duvall

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Reg Cæsar

    Don’t forget Adolphe Menjou, who loved to goad Katherine Hepburn.

    Occasional actor Yukio Mishima performed seppuku on-screen in 1966, then in real life in 1970, after an attempted coup. In between, he enlisted in the Self Defense Force (i.e., army) at 42, went through basic, then left to form his own militia.

  45. @ScarletNumber
    Right-Wing

    Clint Eastwood
    Cary Grant
    Charlton Heston
    Bob Hope
    Dwayne Johnson
    Matthew McConaughey
    Steve McQueen
    Chuck Norris
    Adam Sandler
    Arnold Schwarzenegger
    Sylvester Stallone
    Vince Vaughn
    John Wayne
    Bruce Willis

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @R.G. Camara, @Hypnotoad666, @soonertroll, @Pericles, @Ron Mexico, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Hibernian

    Arnold Schwarzenegger

    the guy who personally escorted Greta Thonberg around California by bike.

    the guy who is now a committed AGW loony.

    The standards for “right wing” are really loose these days.

    • Replies: @petit bourgeois
    @R.G. Camara

    Remember, Ah-nold banned .50 cal bullets, but he owns an Austrian tank.

    Nachos for me, but not for you, comrade.

  46. @ScarletNumber
    Right-Wing

    Clint Eastwood
    Cary Grant
    Charlton Heston
    Bob Hope
    Dwayne Johnson
    Matthew McConaughey
    Steve McQueen
    Chuck Norris
    Adam Sandler
    Arnold Schwarzenegger
    Sylvester Stallone
    Vince Vaughn
    John Wayne
    Bruce Willis

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @R.G. Camara, @Hypnotoad666, @soonertroll, @Pericles, @Ron Mexico, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Hibernian

    But isn’t it likely that actors can only express right-ish views if their fan base will approve (or at least not object). Otherwise they’ll just stay in the closet. So you’re partly just measuring the politics of their fans as much as anything

    BTW, is any A-list star an actual out-of-closet Trump supporter? I think Trump is just too toxic in Hollywood for anyone with actual career prospects to publicly climb on his bandwagon.

    Which is ironic, because Trump is probably our most show biz President ever, even more than Reagan.

  47. @obwandiyag
    The political opinions of dumb people are of course very important.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Your statement is actually true insofar as most voters and most members of the public, from whom politicians derive their support, are dumb.

    That is if we here in Lake Wobegon are to say with self-satisfaction that average people are not much brighter than stupid ones.

    The political opinions of the majority of the public are indeed important. Most political theater is for them. It has to be.

  48. @MikeatMikedotMike
    OT - Man pretending to be women loses case about having his scrotum waxed and promptly attacks a reporter outside the courthouse:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/trans-gression-female-activist-who-flipped-out-when-women-refused-wax-his-balls-attacks

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Reg Cæsar, @anonymous, @sb

    Man pretending to be women loses case about having his scrotum waxed

    This information has made my life richer, more meaningful & fulfilled.

  49. @R.G. Camara
    As to height:

    I've noticed that a lot of Left wing Big Names are very tall. Comey, Clinton, John Kerry, Obama, Trudeau from Canada, all are very tall compared with average. I don't know if its true for Righty big names, but it seems as if tall left wing men get ahead real quick. I get the sense from Left wing big men that many of them chose the left-wing path because they could physically intimidate the majority of smaller Left wing men into following and left-wing women, seeking a sexy male leader to groupie for, went for height.

    Story time:

    I encountered a left-wing political leader type kid back in college.. He was a mid-20s "name" who went around speaking on campuses and drumming up support and followings for left-wing causes. He was quite tall (6'3" or thereabouts). Given his age, his height, and his looks (Trudeau-type), he had lots of females at his speeches and rallies. Not a bad gig for getting laid, I don't hate on him for it..

    I'm only about average height, btw. Important for the rest of the story.

    I got sucked into attending one of his speeches, and holy cow it pissed me off. He was off the rails with lies and commie propaganda---shades of Antifa nonsense today. It was like Michael Moore and Jane Fonda had a baby and made it watch Young Turks for its lifetime.

    I got so pissed . I walked right up to the podium in the middle and started yelling at him (I was young and hotheaded and stupid). He dared me (in front of his audience) to get on stage, which I did (again, I wasn't brave, just emotional and dumb). I got up about 5-10 feet away from him.

    He then made an fake aggressive step towards me with a big stomp, which I recognized as a move designed to scare me---to "scatter the pigeons"; the kind of thing you do to scare pets or small children. Instead of backing off, however, I took the same step towards him, and kept walking to him. Not running, but I was perfectly prepared thanks to anger to start going at it with him.

    That;s when he did something surprising to me: he immediately started walking backwards, put his hands up, and called for help, at which point a couple of audience guys got between us and told me to leave.

    Now, this guy was at least a head taller than me, and young and in shape then. In any fight with him, I would lose, but I was gonna at least make him sore and maybe bruise him, I was so angry. And he called me out on stage. But when confronted with an actual physical threat that wasn't scared of him, he ran. He would rather be a coward than suffer a little pain from his own challenge.

    It's always stuck with me about tall lefty men. I think they've been ensconced with soy boys and females and degenerates so much they just assume you're going to back down and they're not going to fight. But actually call them on the bluff and they wither.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Harry Baldwin, @Not My Economy, @Twinkie, @Charlotte, @Reg Cæsar, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alden

    I’ve noticed that a lot of Left wing Big Names are very tall.

    John Kenneth Galbraith:

    “All great economists are tall. There are two exceptions: John Kenneth Galbraith and Milton Friedman.” ~ George Stigler.

    Bill Walton (6’11”) was arrested protesting the Vietnam War. He was bailed out by John Wooden.

    By the way, he and brother Bruce are the only siblings to appear in the NBA championship series and the Super Bowl. RIP, Bruce:

    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/obituaries/story/2019-10-21/bruce-walton-athlete-and-radio-executive-1951-2019

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Reg Cæsar

    Galbraith lived until 97, an extraordinarily long time for a man that tall.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  50. Do actors who bulk up to play Marvel superheroes also change their politics?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Clifford Brown

    What super hero is he playing, Captain Pakistan?

    , @Kratoklastes
    @Clifford Brown

    Dinesh is already kinda right-wing (in Silicon Valley): not as right wing as Guilfoyle, because back-end is always proto-fascist as a result of dealing with front-end fucking up everything they touch. (Presentation layer tilts strongly Woke: they can manage rounded corners and glass buttons).

    The dude who plays Guilfoyle on the other hand: a cuck if I ever saw one.

  51. Anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:
    @RichardTaylor
    Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn't have much moral courage as it turns out, however. He collapsed as governor of California when the opposition got strong. And now, he goes out of his way to champion Leftist causes.

    He chooses to be a "winner" at all costs, even if that means cheating his own voters.

    He's currently saying whatever Hollywood wants to hear about the environment or Trump, in order to get a pat on the head. So, in the long run, you might be better off with guys who've had to show some moral/social courage over displays of physical strength.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon87

    A lot uncrackable revolutionary/terrorist groups are formed by people who spent time in prison.

    For good reason. Nobody in Abu Bakr al-baghdadis inner circle had to wonder if he was for real. They met in an Iraqi prison/torture site for terrorists. Costs had been paid by all of them and sincerity proved with the blood spilled by enemies and brothers alike. You can’t just slip a CIA plant into the top ranks of a group like that.

    Hitler, Fidel, Che, Mao, Mandela, Osama.

    Nobody had to guess if these guys were in it come what may. That inspires loyalty and trust and strong inner cores of their movements. Bona fides are proved *before* they become popular or leaders of mass movements. For good reason–talk is cheap when people are asking you to take risks for them.

  52. @MikeatMikedotMike
    OT - Man pretending to be women loses case about having his scrotum waxed and promptly attacks a reporter outside the courthouse:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/trans-gression-female-activist-who-flipped-out-when-women-refused-wax-his-balls-attacks

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Reg Cæsar, @anonymous, @sb

    The victim seems half the size of his assaultress.

    And why does “the Real Keean” have a Hong Kong flag on his Twitter account? That’s kinda cucky for Hongcouver.

  53. @TGGP
    That paper is from back before the replication crisis made people sufficiently skeptical of many studies. I know Andrew Gelman savaged a similar paper on arm strength being correlated with a taste for redistribution.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I noticed this pattern with movie stars — action stars more on the right — back in the 1980s. I wrote about it in 2000:

    https://www.upi.com/Archives/2000/12/29/Where-have-all-the-GOP-celebrities-gone/7631978066000/

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Steve Sailer


    The authors say they have posted the list of all 61 actors, but I can’t find it online.
     
    You seemed to have missed it, but I posted the list from the study in my earlier posts.
  54. Then again physically strong men are more likely to benefit of a liberated partner market (left-wing) and less physically strong men are more likely to benefit of a patriarchal partner market (right-wing). For a similar reason for physically less strong men there is higher risk associated with mostly male mass migration (left-wing). But of course this kind of misses the point, as the relevant distinction is not right-wing vs left-wing but pro-war vs contra-war. Still one could argue – though it might be a bit far-fetched – that physically stronger males do have a relative preference for unorganized violence (“peace”) while physically weaker males have a preference for organized violence (“war”).

  55. @Clifford Brown
    Do actors who bulk up to play Marvel superheroes also change their politics?

    https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/kumail-eternals-1576534922.jpg

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Kratoklastes

    What super hero is he playing, Captain Pakistan?

  56. @R.G. Camara
    @ScarletNumber


    Arnold Schwarzenegger
     
    the guy who personally escorted Greta Thonberg around California by bike.

    the guy who is now a committed AGW loony.

    The standards for "right wing" are really loose these days.

    Replies: @petit bourgeois

    Remember, Ah-nold banned .50 cal bullets, but he owns an Austrian tank.

    Nachos for me, but not for you, comrade.

  57. @ScarletNumber
    Right-Wing

    Clint Eastwood
    Cary Grant
    Charlton Heston
    Bob Hope
    Dwayne Johnson
    Matthew McConaughey
    Steve McQueen
    Chuck Norris
    Adam Sandler
    Arnold Schwarzenegger
    Sylvester Stallone
    Vince Vaughn
    John Wayne
    Bruce Willis

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @R.G. Camara, @Hypnotoad666, @soonertroll, @Pericles, @Ron Mexico, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Hibernian

    You left off James Stewart, who was more right-wing than anyone on your list. When people list Hollywood Republicans, past & present, for some reason Jimmy Stewart is often not remembered as the staunch conservative he was.

    Prior to the mid 1960’s I believe Hollywood leaned more rightward than left.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @soonertroll

    This isn't my list. It's the list from the study.

    Replies: @soonertroll

    , @slumber_j
    @soonertroll


    Prior to the mid 1960’s I believe Hollywood leaned more rightward than left.
     
    Except for the writers anyway. Interesting that the demise of the studio system--effectively the start of free agency for creative talent in Hollywood--more or less coincided with the sharp left turn.
    , @Joe Stalin
    @soonertroll

    "He joined fellow Hollywood stars Kirk Douglas, Gregory Peck, and James Stewart in support of the Gun Control Act of 1968, the most restrictive piece of gun legislation in more than 30 years."

    https://www.thoughtco.com/charlton-heston-gun-rights-profile-721331

    I recall John Wayne thinking guns should be registered.

  58. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    the “antiwar” position was indicated by support of the Democratic Party, which, to a large extent, opposed the Vietnam and Iraq wars,
     
    L O friggin' L.

    Replies: @anonymous, @anonymous

    Ghost you know better. Yes LBJ was a Democrat.

    Those antiwar-protesters in the 1960’s weren’t Young Republicans. You know that.

    Anyone on the street protesting the Iraq war circa 03- 09 damn sure wasn’t a Republican. At least not a Republican in good standing.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @anonymous

    anonymous[194] wrote:


    Those antiwar-protesters in the 1960’s weren’t Young Republicans. You know that.
     
    Simply because right-wingers don't do street thuggery.

    But I remember the John Birch Society denouncing UN involvement in the war in Vietnam, before it was cool to be anti-war, as a Commie plot. And before you dismiss that out of hand, put yourself in the position of a Kremlin strategist. By 1975, the Kremlin must have figured that US involvement in Vietnam had worked out rather nicely, tearing US society apart.

    We know in fact that Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor, Zbig Brzezinski (yes, Mika's dad), viewed Soviet intervention in Afghanistan that way -- a perfect way to tear down the Soviets.

    The JBS, for all their nuttiness, may have been more clear-sighted than Conservatism, Inc.

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @anonymous



    Anyone on the street protesting the Iraq war circa 03- 09 damn sure wasn’t a Republican

     

    Uh, what happened in 09 to make them stop protesting in the streets?
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @anonymous


    Anyone on the street protesting the Iraq war circa 03- 09 damn sure wasn’t a Republican. At least not a Republican in good standing.
     
    There were right-wing Republicans who had already rejected neocon Bushery, and were attending anti-war protests at that time. I know, because I was one of them. I ran into a couple of other conservative/rightist attendees, but we were a pretty small contingent. Of course, that may have been exacerbated somewhat by the fact these demonstrations were taking place in the San Francisco Bay Area.
    , @William Badwhite
    @anonymous


    Yes LBJ was a Democrat.
     
    As was Kennedy, who got us into the mess. Which party do you think the President that got us out of Vietnam (Nixon) was in?


    Anyone on the street protesting the Iraq war circa 03- 09 damn sure wasn’t a Republican. At least not a Republican in good standing.
     
    That is because Republicans typically have jobs. Protesting in the street is for mongrels and losers.


    At least not a Republican in good standing.
     
    Plenty of Republicans opposed the Iraq war, I was one of them (though I'm no longer a Republican).
  59. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    the “antiwar” position was indicated by support of the Democratic Party, which, to a large extent, opposed the Vietnam and Iraq wars,
     
    L O friggin' L.

    Replies: @anonymous, @anonymous

    Ghost you know better. Yes LBJ was a Democrat.

    Those antiwar-protesters in the 1960’s weren’t Young Republicans. You know that.

    Anyone on the street protesting the Iraq war circa 03- 09 damn sure wasn’t a Republican. At least not a Republican in good standing.

  60. I was disgusted with Jimmy Fallon when he asked Norm MacDonald to not appear on his show due to a female writer having a crying hissy fit. I later saw Dennis Miller on a show and he said what likely happened was an executive went up to him and ‘you either like your job or you don’t.’

    MacDonald is a right of center comedian, and while Fallon probably has never voted for a republican, at least he’s honest. But it comes down to you either want your ten million a year or you don’t.

  61. @Harry Baldwin
    @syonredux

    You're comparing women from two different eras. Your right-leaning women stars predate feminism and the pronounced leftward tilt of Hollywood. Your left-leaners all started their careers after those factors.

    This is the problem with this whole study--when you're talking about Hollywood, you're talking about an industry whose culture is left-wing and which puts pressure on actors to line up on that side. Granted, some stars like Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Gibson, and Willis are big enough that that they can survive as dissidents, and others have been willing to take a hit to their careers in order to express their views--I'd put James Woods and Jon Voight in that category.

    If you really wanted to study whether muscular men tend to be more conservative, you'd be better off finding them in an environment in which there was not so much pressure to conform to leftist views.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    If you really wanted to study whether muscular men tend to be more conservative, you’d be better off finding them in an environment in which there was not so much pressure to conform to leftist views.

    … said someone who has never seen the inside of a gym. Cozif you have, it’s not even a remotely interesting question.

    Srsly… even I – yea, verily, I – am routinely appalled by the weltanschauung of the average gymbro.

    If I was writing a test, the ‘assert’ would be: if a bloke’s biceps are 17″+ cold, he’s what Americans would call “conservative” (without the fuckwitted religion overlay/baggage that Yanks have).

    Likewise: I have never known anyone who could bench 330lb who was identifiably ‘progressive’ (in the US sense of the word).

    The hard limit is 20 pullups: if there is a genuine progressive who can do 20 dead-hang pullups at a bodyweight >200lb, I will join the Thunberger Climate Cult tomorrow and advocate for it for the rest of my days.*

    Note that I have known dozens – perhaps hundreds – of men who had solid arms and a 300 bench, who would evince ‘progressive’ attitudes if they thought it would enable them to get an aerobics instructor in the sack. I only know about 20 200lb guys who can do 20 pullups, and they’re all slightly to the right of Reinhard Heydrich.

    [*] No, I won’t, actually. Not unless that motherfucker does 20 in front of me, and then we get drunk together (during which time he will reveal the depths of his wrongthink, giving me the easy out at first).

    • Replies: @UK
    @Kratoklastes

    I weigh more than 200lbs and can do 30 pull ups without a break. I am a sort of progressive.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @another anon
    @Kratoklastes


    The hard limit is 20 pullups: if there is a genuine progressive who can do 20 dead-hang pullups at a bodyweight >200lb, I will join the Thunberger Climate Cult tomorrow and advocate for it for the rest of my days.*
     
    The laws of physics do not care about your feelings, and even less about your muscles.

    Note that I have known dozens – perhaps hundreds – of men who had solid arms and a 300 bench, who would evince ‘progressive’ attitudes if they thought it would enable them to get an aerobics instructor in the sack.
     
    Maybe because the progressives have better things to do with their lives than build up muscles?
    Like take over government, academia, media, entertainment, business and everything in general.
    They are happy to leave you the gym, the playground and the sandbox.

    I only know about 20 200lb guys who can do 20 pullups, and they’re all slightly to the right of Reinhard Heydrich.
     
    This means that your big muscled buddies want genocidal war against the whole world, when the world outnumbers you three to one?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers


    The Axis population in 1938 was 258.9 million, while the Allied population (excluding the Soviet Union and the United States, which later joined the Allies) was 689.7 million.[35] Thus the Allied powers outnumbered the Axis powers by 2.7 to 1
     
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Map_of_participants_in_World_War_II.png/1280px-Map_of_participants_in_World_War_II.png

    If loser like Heydrich is the ultimate yardstick of "right winger" (I see you agree with the left that the right is about militarism, war and genocide) , there is no surprise that the right loses, loses again and then loses everything.

  62. @Clifford Brown
    Do actors who bulk up to play Marvel superheroes also change their politics?

    https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/kumail-eternals-1576534922.jpg

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Kratoklastes

    Dinesh is already kinda right-wing (in Silicon Valley): not as right wing as Guilfoyle, because back-end is always proto-fascist as a result of dealing with front-end fucking up everything they touch. (Presentation layer tilts strongly Woke: they can manage rounded corners and glass buttons).

    The dude who plays Guilfoyle on the other hand: a cuck if I ever saw one.

  63. @soonertroll
    @ScarletNumber

    You left off James Stewart, who was more right-wing than anyone on your list. When people list Hollywood Republicans, past & present, for some reason Jimmy Stewart is often not remembered as the staunch conservative he was.

    Prior to the mid 1960's I believe Hollywood leaned more rightward than left.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @slumber_j, @Joe Stalin

    This isn’t my list. It’s the list from the study.

    • Replies: @soonertroll
    @ScarletNumber

    I should have wrote they instead of you.

  64. @Steve Sailer
    @TGGP

    I noticed this pattern with movie stars -- action stars more on the right -- back in the 1980s. I wrote about it in 2000:

    https://www.upi.com/Archives/2000/12/29/Where-have-all-the-GOP-celebrities-gone/7631978066000/

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    The authors say they have posted the list of all 61 actors, but I can’t find it online.

    You seemed to have missed it, but I posted the list from the study in my earlier posts.

  65. @Ozymandias
    The wife used to be Banquet Manager at a resort hotel. Harmon attended one of these events, and shamelessly hit on her. She pointed out her ring, told him that she was married, but he wouldn't stop. So she called me (chef at the time) and I went to the banquet room and told him "I see you've met my wife." My observation at the time was that my six foot tall wife was about two inches taller than Harmon was.

    Dude is a little weasel.

    Replies: @Lurker

    I’m enjoying the thought of you brandishing a large meat cleaver at the time.

  66. @anonymous
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Ghost you know better. Yes LBJ was a Democrat.

    Those antiwar-protesters in the 1960's weren't Young Republicans. You know that.

    Anyone on the street protesting the Iraq war circa 03- 09 damn sure wasn't a Republican. At least not a Republican in good standing.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @William Badwhite

    anonymous[194] wrote:

    Those antiwar-protesters in the 1960’s weren’t Young Republicans. You know that.

    Simply because right-wingers don’t do street thuggery.

    But I remember the John Birch Society denouncing UN involvement in the war in Vietnam, before it was cool to be anti-war, as a Commie plot. And before you dismiss that out of hand, put yourself in the position of a Kremlin strategist. By 1975, the Kremlin must have figured that US involvement in Vietnam had worked out rather nicely, tearing US society apart.

    We know in fact that Jimmy Carter’s National Security Advisor, Zbig Brzezinski (yes, Mika’s dad), viewed Soviet intervention in Afghanistan that way — a perfect way to tear down the Soviets.

    The JBS, for all their nuttiness, may have been more clear-sighted than Conservatism, Inc.

  67. @Reg Cæsar
    @R.G. Camara


    I’ve noticed that a lot of Left wing Big Names are very tall.
     
    John Kenneth Galbraith:


    https://i.pinimg.com/236x/59/e4/ae/59e4aed1a5b224be93e3cc107ed84740--los-kennedy-jacqueline-kennedy-onassis.jpg


    https://library.ucsd.edu/dc/object/bb0922609t/_3.jpg


    https://frontline.thehindu.com/static/html/fl1810/18100491.jpg


    https://external-preview.redd.it/P5hGvfcAPICWIdw-pUQ3HRBxRAd3E2lM8NJ7XMR0kmw.jpg?auto=webp&s=f8a39ccecb21cd362ad0bbca5144e6962b9d7bbd

    "All great economists are tall. There are two exceptions: John Kenneth Galbraith and Milton Friedman." ~ George Stigler.


    Bill Walton (6'11") was arrested protesting the Vietnam War. He was bailed out by John Wooden.

    By the way, he and brother Bruce are the only siblings to appear in the NBA championship series and the Super Bowl. RIP, Bruce:


    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/obituaries/story/2019-10-21/bruce-walton-athlete-and-radio-executive-1951-2019

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Galbraith lived until 97, an extraordinarily long time for a man that tall.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @ScarletNumber

    Galbraith lived until 97, an extraordinarily long time for a man that wrong about most everything.

    FIFY.

  68. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    I've been lifting for 23 years, and I went from Leninist twerp to somewhere on the right of Attila the Hun.

    Replies: @another anon

    I’ve been lifting for 23 years, and I went from Leninist twerp to somewhere on the right of Attila the Hun.

    What this means, in concrete terms?
    You saw black and brown people as your fellow workers, you hated the capitalists and wanted to cut their throats. Now you love the capitalists and want to cut black and brown people’s throats?

  69. @Joe Stalin

    Rambo's Sylvester Stallone supports gun control

    BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. — Sylvester Stallone says that despite his “Rambo” image and new shoot-em-up film “Bullet to the Head,” he’s in favor of new national gun control legislation.

    Stallone supported the 1994 “Brady bill” that included a now-expired ban on assault weapons, and hopes that ban can be reinstated.

    “I know people get (upset) and go, ‘They’re going to take away the assault weapon.’ Who … needs an assault weapon? Like really, unless you’re carrying out an assault. … You can’t hunt with it. … Who’s going to attack your house, a (expletive) army?”

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/2/rambos-sylvester-stallone-supports-gun-control/
     

    Replies: @Pericles, @c matt

    Presumably the ole Italian Stallion would prefer to abolish boxing too.

  70. @Harry Baldwin
    @R.G. Camara

    I take your point, but in this guy's defense, it's never a good idea to get into a fight if you don't have to. Anything can happen. You might have pulled out a knife and stabbed him; he might have socked you once and killed you.

    So good on you for asserting yourself, but I don't blame him for choosing not to mix it up.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @R.G. Camara, @Pericles

    A coward dies a thousand deaths. A mouthy coward even more.

  71. @ScarletNumber
    Right-Wing

    Clint Eastwood
    Cary Grant
    Charlton Heston
    Bob Hope
    Dwayne Johnson
    Matthew McConaughey
    Steve McQueen
    Chuck Norris
    Adam Sandler
    Arnold Schwarzenegger
    Sylvester Stallone
    Vince Vaughn
    John Wayne
    Bruce Willis

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @R.G. Camara, @Hypnotoad666, @soonertroll, @Pericles, @Ron Mexico, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Hibernian

    Missed Mel Gibson and Gary Oldman.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Pericles

    This isn't my personal list, so I didn't miss anyone.

    Replies: @Pericles

  72. beliefs typically associated with the Democratic Party, including a more “dovish” approach to war

    I always find this characterization ludicrous, given that virtually all of the US’s major wars of the 20th century — and all of the really bloody ones — were entered into under and prosecuted by Democrats.

    WW 1: Wilson
    WW 2: Roosevelt
    Korea: Truman
    Vietnam: Kennedy/Johnson

    The US Death tolls of the Republican-started wars of the 20th and 21st century: Grenada, Panama, Gulf Wars 1 & 2, and Afghanistan combined pale in contrast to many single battles of the Democrat wars (and the bulk of Afghanistan casualties occurred under Obama).

    Do Grenada and Panama even really count as wars?

    Prior to the Bushes the last Republican President fond of starting wars was William McKinley.

  73. @MikeatMikedotMike
    My apologies for another OT, but ZH has some good stuff today:

    Gwyneth Paltrow's own vagina scented candles sell out. They are $75 a piece.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/burning-sensation-gwyneth-paltrows-75-vagina-scented-candle-already-sold-out

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Old Prude, @Penskefile, @SunBakedSuburb

    WTF. I’ve been married to the same woman for the past thirty years, but my recollection is that each vagina smells different.

  74. @ScarletNumber
    Right-Wing

    Clint Eastwood
    Cary Grant
    Charlton Heston
    Bob Hope
    Dwayne Johnson
    Matthew McConaughey
    Steve McQueen
    Chuck Norris
    Adam Sandler
    Arnold Schwarzenegger
    Sylvester Stallone
    Vince Vaughn
    John Wayne
    Bruce Willis

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @R.G. Camara, @Hypnotoad666, @soonertroll, @Pericles, @Ron Mexico, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Hibernian

    Tom Selleck

  75. @ScarletNumber
    @Harry Baldwin

    They weren't included in the study

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Sorry, I didn’t realize that was your criteria. I just thought it was a list of reportedly conservative actors.

  76. @R.G. Camara
    @Harry Baldwin

    I agree (don't fight crazies or hecklers), but Almost Missouri's comment here applies: the guy basically bluffed me up all the way up into a fight and then ran like a girl.

    If he'd been non-confrontational up to that point, his actions in running away would've been non cowardly.

    But he decided to spew really out of bounds stuff ("the U.S. Military has a policy of genocide to the present day") , dared me to get on stage, and then made an aggressive stomp at me.

    This wasn't me picking a fight, this was him picking one and escalating at every turn. And then turning tail and running when I called him on it.

    n.b. I've attended political speeches I didn't agree with, but the speakers never roused me to anger with blatant commie lies or openly dared me to confront them. In other words, this is the one and only time I've ever done this, as hot headed as I can be.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    I didn’t intend any criticism of you. He was an asshole and you faced him down and humiliated him. But in his case, accepting humiliation was probably a wise choice.

  77. @MikeatMikedotMike
    OT - Man pretending to be women loses case about having his scrotum waxed and promptly attacks a reporter outside the courthouse:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/trans-gression-female-activist-who-flipped-out-when-women-refused-wax-his-balls-attacks

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Reg Cæsar, @anonymous, @sb

    This chap is ready for his very own “South Park” episode.

  78. @Twinkie
    Here is a bit of a test case on nurture.

    Keanu Reeves used to be very left-wing, I think. And he tended to play dopey goof or sensitive guys on film. But he's been doing this for the last few years:

    https://youtu.be/p98lf_QzHxI

    https://youtu.be/Xii9_oWQ7HY

    Doing Jits with the Machado Brothers and running guns with Taran Butler. Is Reeves more conservative now?

    Replies: @TWS, @The Wild Geese Howard

    His technique was legit in the John wick movies. I can’t tell if that’s him or his double though

  79. @donald j. tingle
    I’m guessing Cruise, Cage, Brosnan, and Reeves could take out most commenters here and most Trump supporters pretty easily.

    And Johnson as right wing?

    Replies: @slumber_j, @SunBakedSuburb, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @The Alarmist

    I’m guessing Cruise, Cage, Brosnan, and Reeves could take out most commenters here and most Trump supporters pretty easily.

    Maybe, maybe not, but I didn’t think we were talking about their dating prospects. Personally, I don’t want to go out with any of those guys.

  80. @Twinkie
    @R.G. Camara


    Now, this guy was at least a head taller than me, and young and in shape then. In any fight with him, I would lose
     
    With that kind of an attitude, you would, but...

    but I was gonna at least make him sore and maybe bruise him, I was so angry.
     
    AKA, the French nuclear strategy. Saved many a man from a mugging.

    I got into many fights as a young man and spent a considerable portion of my life learning about and training in fighting. As far as the average person on the street goes, there is very little correlations between size/height and fighting ability. In a confrontation between two men without any training or experience, the one that is more aggressive and - to be frank - mean is likely to win the fight.

    Now if one or both of them has training/experience, it's a whole other ball of wax.

    Replies: @JMcG

    It’s not the size of the dog in the fight, it’s the size of the fight in the dog. I tell my son that, while he may get bigger and stronger than me, he’ll never be as mean as me.

  81. It doesn’t strike anyone as odd that this entire conversation took place without anyone mentioning all the actors in a series of 11 action films that have shattered every box office record?

    Because they go from skinny to buff, and they all got together to warn Americans to register and vote against Trump for Hillary or the world would end and Mark Ruffalo would have to do a nude scene.

    My point is simply that all the stars mentioned have been out of the top-tier for a decade or more. Not sure any of the patterns still hold.

  82. @soonertroll
    @ScarletNumber

    You left off James Stewart, who was more right-wing than anyone on your list. When people list Hollywood Republicans, past & present, for some reason Jimmy Stewart is often not remembered as the staunch conservative he was.

    Prior to the mid 1960's I believe Hollywood leaned more rightward than left.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @slumber_j, @Joe Stalin

    Prior to the mid 1960’s I believe Hollywood leaned more rightward than left.

    Except for the writers anyway. Interesting that the demise of the studio system–effectively the start of free agency for creative talent in Hollywood–more or less coincided with the sharp left turn.

  83. @MikeatMikedotMike
    My apologies for another OT, but ZH has some good stuff today:

    Gwyneth Paltrow's own vagina scented candles sell out. They are $75 a piece.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/burning-sensation-gwyneth-paltrows-75-vagina-scented-candle-already-sold-out

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Old Prude, @Penskefile, @SunBakedSuburb

    Gives new meaning to the term “gag gift”

  84. Democrats are dovish, which is why Obama attacked zero countries. In disgust, Hillary switched to R, ultimately losing the 2016 primary.

    Height is mostly nature but can be affected by severe malnutrition. I’d think some facial characteristics, like I dunno nose shape, would be 100% nature. Can we study the relationship between nose shape and the desire to “use the US military to attack enemies”?

    Muscles don’t cause aggression. T causes muscles and aggression. As you point out, exercises (some more than others – do your squats and pull-ups) cause T (and muscles).

  85. @anonymous
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Ghost you know better. Yes LBJ was a Democrat.

    Those antiwar-protesters in the 1960's weren't Young Republicans. You know that.

    Anyone on the street protesting the Iraq war circa 03- 09 damn sure wasn't a Republican. At least not a Republican in good standing.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @William Badwhite

    Anyone on the street protesting the Iraq war circa 03- 09 damn sure wasn’t a Republican

    Uh, what happened in 09 to make them stop protesting in the streets?

  86. @soonertroll
    @ScarletNumber

    You left off James Stewart, who was more right-wing than anyone on your list. When people list Hollywood Republicans, past & present, for some reason Jimmy Stewart is often not remembered as the staunch conservative he was.

    Prior to the mid 1960's I believe Hollywood leaned more rightward than left.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @slumber_j, @Joe Stalin

    “He joined fellow Hollywood stars Kirk Douglas, Gregory Peck, and James Stewart in support of the Gun Control Act of 1968, the most restrictive piece of gun legislation in more than 30 years.”

    https://www.thoughtco.com/charlton-heston-gun-rights-profile-721331

    I recall John Wayne thinking guns should be registered.

  87. If Duvall was “grizzled” 20 years ago—which you’ll get no argument from me—can you provide a good adjective for the man today?

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    @Finspapa

    Gristled?

  88. @JohnnyWalker123
    Height and muscularity were positively associated with right-wing politics. Ethnicity (White Gentile) and gender (male) also appear to correlate with right-wing politics.

    So Arnold Schwarzenegger would be a typical conservative.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbjjhKaoZKs

    Gladiator would be a typically conservative film. The film glorifies traits like masculinity, stoicism, strength, honor, duty, and patriotism. The slogan of the movie was "strength and honor."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owK1qxDselE

    Here's a scene that I think conservatives would appreciate. Start watching at 40 seconds into the video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIAzXNuDveU

    Here's a cool scene that I felt like sharing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1UmHfWCw-4

    The villain of the film was Commodus, who was portrayed as weak, cowardly, effete, feminine, sexually ambiguous, selfish, and narcissistic.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @The Wild Geese Howard, @LondonBob

    Despite what the liberal media wants us to believe, Gladiator did a good job of capturing the cultural tension of ancient Rome through the contrasting personalities of Maximus and Commodus for exactly the reasons you state.

    The prayer scene is also a nice Roman cultural touch. In it, Maximus appears to be venerating his family, ancestors, and possibly the household deity known as Lares.

    https://www.ancient.eu/article/34/roman-household-spirits-manes-panes-and-lares/

  89. @R.G. Camara
    As to height:

    I've noticed that a lot of Left wing Big Names are very tall. Comey, Clinton, John Kerry, Obama, Trudeau from Canada, all are very tall compared with average. I don't know if its true for Righty big names, but it seems as if tall left wing men get ahead real quick. I get the sense from Left wing big men that many of them chose the left-wing path because they could physically intimidate the majority of smaller Left wing men into following and left-wing women, seeking a sexy male leader to groupie for, went for height.

    Story time:

    I encountered a left-wing political leader type kid back in college.. He was a mid-20s "name" who went around speaking on campuses and drumming up support and followings for left-wing causes. He was quite tall (6'3" or thereabouts). Given his age, his height, and his looks (Trudeau-type), he had lots of females at his speeches and rallies. Not a bad gig for getting laid, I don't hate on him for it..

    I'm only about average height, btw. Important for the rest of the story.

    I got sucked into attending one of his speeches, and holy cow it pissed me off. He was off the rails with lies and commie propaganda---shades of Antifa nonsense today. It was like Michael Moore and Jane Fonda had a baby and made it watch Young Turks for its lifetime.

    I got so pissed . I walked right up to the podium in the middle and started yelling at him (I was young and hotheaded and stupid). He dared me (in front of his audience) to get on stage, which I did (again, I wasn't brave, just emotional and dumb). I got up about 5-10 feet away from him.

    He then made an fake aggressive step towards me with a big stomp, which I recognized as a move designed to scare me---to "scatter the pigeons"; the kind of thing you do to scare pets or small children. Instead of backing off, however, I took the same step towards him, and kept walking to him. Not running, but I was perfectly prepared thanks to anger to start going at it with him.

    That;s when he did something surprising to me: he immediately started walking backwards, put his hands up, and called for help, at which point a couple of audience guys got between us and told me to leave.

    Now, this guy was at least a head taller than me, and young and in shape then. In any fight with him, I would lose, but I was gonna at least make him sore and maybe bruise him, I was so angry. And he called me out on stage. But when confronted with an actual physical threat that wasn't scared of him, he ran. He would rather be a coward than suffer a little pain from his own challenge.

    It's always stuck with me about tall lefty men. I think they've been ensconced with soy boys and females and degenerates so much they just assume you're going to back down and they're not going to fight. But actually call them on the bluff and they wither.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Harry Baldwin, @Not My Economy, @Twinkie, @Charlotte, @Reg Cæsar, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alden

    I encountered a left-wing political leader type kid back in college.. He was a mid-20s “name” who went around speaking on campuses and drumming up support and followings for left-wing causes. He was quite tall (6’3″ or thereabouts). Given his age, his height, and his looks (Trudeau-type), he had lots of females at his speeches and rallies.

    So, you met PC Bro?

  90. @Twinkie
    Here is a bit of a test case on nurture.

    Keanu Reeves used to be very left-wing, I think. And he tended to play dopey goof or sensitive guys on film. But he's been doing this for the last few years:

    https://youtu.be/p98lf_QzHxI

    https://youtu.be/Xii9_oWQ7HY

    Doing Jits with the Machado Brothers and running guns with Taran Butler. Is Reeves more conservative now?

    Replies: @TWS, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Keanu is also big into motorcycles. IIRC, he even has his own custom bike shop/company.

  91. @ScarletNumber
    @soonertroll

    This isn't my list. It's the list from the study.

    Replies: @soonertroll

    I should have wrote they instead of you.

  92. @donald j. tingle
    I’m guessing Cruise, Cage, Brosnan, and Reeves could take out most commenters here and most Trump supporters pretty easily.

    And Johnson as right wing?

    Replies: @slumber_j, @SunBakedSuburb, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @The Alarmist

    Tom Cruise is left wing? Cruise is no wing; he’s a Scientologist. It took three people to compose the above ridiculous article. I know a guy who recently completed a script 163 pages in length. It probably won’t sell, but still he wrote it all by hisself. Take that pretend eggheads.

  93. @MikeatMikedotMike
    My apologies for another OT, but ZH has some good stuff today:

    Gwyneth Paltrow's own vagina scented candles sell out. They are $75 a piece.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/burning-sensation-gwyneth-paltrows-75-vagina-scented-candle-already-sold-out

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Old Prude, @Penskefile, @SunBakedSuburb

    We are in the dawn of the Age of the Matriarchy. Get used to vagina scented candles. In a few years just the thought of pussy will roil your stomach. By the way, Gwyneth’s mother, Blythe Danner, was quite the lovely lass. Way hotter than sad sack Gwyneth.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  94. @Herbpopejones
    Speaking of gun control Virginia is about to ban guns

    This used to be a right wing state and represents the future of America

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @SunBakedSuburb

    Old Dominion is now a wholly owned subsidiary of CIA-Authoritarian Left Inc.

  95. These included such imposing figures as Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bruce Willis, Chuck Norris, Clint Eastwood, Sylvester Stallone, Dwayne Johnson (“the Rock”), and Charlton Heston.

    Schwarzenegger, Norris and Johnson all transitioned from prior careers in bodybuilding, Martial Arts, and entertainment wrestling. I think this probably skews results, since this isn’t the usual course for becoming a Hollywood movie actor which involves a less traditionally masculine/meatheaded lifestyle.

    The usual course typically involves getting into theater at some point in high school or soon after, which is probably a strategy for meeting loose girls that boys employ when they can’t become the football hero to attract girls. (similar to picking up a guitar or forming a rock band). This probably either reflects or enhances feelings of resentment towards the football hero types and an affinity for fringe personalities (queers and assorted freaks).

    All modern politics is really a continuation of high school after all.

    • Replies: @Milesglorious
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I would say Middle school.

  96. @ScarletNumber
    Right-Wing

    Clint Eastwood
    Cary Grant
    Charlton Heston
    Bob Hope
    Dwayne Johnson
    Matthew McConaughey
    Steve McQueen
    Chuck Norris
    Adam Sandler
    Arnold Schwarzenegger
    Sylvester Stallone
    Vince Vaughn
    John Wayne
    Bruce Willis

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @R.G. Camara, @Hypnotoad666, @soonertroll, @Pericles, @Ron Mexico, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Hibernian

    Dwayne Johnson

    That’s just residual basedness, from coming into contact with the superhuman levels of Hulk Hogan (or HH to his fans).

    Adam Sandler
    Arnold Schwarzenegger

    Gotta say I’ve never heard something like that about Sandler, and before I looked it up I didn’t know Schwarzenegger was a Republican(!) Based on his track record as governor I assumed he was a Democrat, though I suppose there’s not much difference between the two over the past 30-40 odd years.

    But I suppose believing that an infinite numbers of immigrants should be allowed to come to your country, so long as they retain the inalienable right to be heavily armed, is all it takes to be “right wing” according to mainstream politics.

  97. @donald j. tingle
    I’m guessing Cruise, Cage, Brosnan, and Reeves could take out most commenters here and most Trump supporters pretty easily.

    And Johnson as right wing?

    Replies: @slumber_j, @SunBakedSuburb, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @The Alarmist

    You seem to have been very affected by hollywood effects, you know they’re not actually beating those guys up in their movies right? The henchman are paid to go down.

    What makes you think that these fake tough guys are even average in a fight? Going down the list:

    Cruise- Manlet, doubtful he could reach my chin. Though is a member of a weird cult so possibly the most dangerous man on the list.

    Cage- I would say fake tough guy, but is he even tough in his own movies? String bean, not impressed.

    Brosnan- Pretty boy dork, puffed up sissy, probably can’t take a punch

    Reeves- Unusually low IQ for a hapa, likely poor grasp of strategy, claims to be 6’1″, likely significantly shorter, scrawny, not impressed

    tldr; In a self defense situation where they forced me to protect my own life, I would devastate their lives with a single punch.

    • Replies: @Whitey Whiteman III
    @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    Based!!

  98. @syonredux
    Any physical explanations for Left vs Right female movie stars? Why did, for example, these women lean Right:

    Barbara Stanwyck

    Ginger Rogers

    Jane Russell

    June Allyson


    Whereas these gals go Left:


    Jane Fonda

    Susan Sarandon

    Alyssa Milano


    Emma Watson

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @baythoven, @c matt

    Two more very conservative actresses from old Hollywood come immediately to my mind:
    Irene Dunne, Shirley Temple

    I can only think of one modern-day conservative actress: Patricia Heaton. That lady has shown real courage.

    Any others? I do remember being impressed by Renee Zellweger some years ago when she was asked a softball political question during an interview. Rather than preening with the expected goodthink answer, she replied, “I don’t think I’m informed enough to give an opinion on that.” (Not that that necessarily signifies.)

  99. @donald j. tingle
    I’m guessing Cruise, Cage, Brosnan, and Reeves could take out most commenters here and most Trump supporters pretty easily.

    And Johnson as right wing?

    Replies: @slumber_j, @SunBakedSuburb, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @The Alarmist

    You forgot Chuck Norris.

  100. Cruise- Manlet, doubtful he could reach my chin. Though is a member of a weird cult so possibly the most dangerous man on the list.

    No homo, as the kids say, but “lol what?!” as the kids also say:

    Sure, he is not tall, but git tae fuck if you think he’s not an athletic, capable guy who could probably win against most average men (i.e., with no particular training or experience fighting and not particularly physically fit) in a fight. (Hell, Chuck Norris is 5’9″, and I suspect before he became elderly he could have handily kicked your ass and a few of your friends’.)

  101. @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    @donald j. tingle

    You seem to have been very affected by hollywood effects, you know they're not actually beating those guys up in their movies right? The henchman are paid to go down.

    What makes you think that these fake tough guys are even average in a fight? Going down the list:

    Cruise- Manlet, doubtful he could reach my chin. Though is a member of a weird cult so possibly the most dangerous man on the list.

    Cage- I would say fake tough guy, but is he even tough in his own movies? String bean, not impressed.

    Brosnan- Pretty boy dork, puffed up sissy, probably can't take a punch

    Reeves- Unusually low IQ for a hapa, likely poor grasp of strategy, claims to be 6'1", likely significantly shorter, scrawny, not impressed

    tldr; In a self defense situation where they forced me to protect my own life, I would devastate their lives with a single punch.

    Replies: @Whitey Whiteman III

    Based!!

  102. @anonymous
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Ghost you know better. Yes LBJ was a Democrat.

    Those antiwar-protesters in the 1960's weren't Young Republicans. You know that.

    Anyone on the street protesting the Iraq war circa 03- 09 damn sure wasn't a Republican. At least not a Republican in good standing.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @William Badwhite

    Anyone on the street protesting the Iraq war circa 03- 09 damn sure wasn’t a Republican. At least not a Republican in good standing.

    There were right-wing Republicans who had already rejected neocon Bushery, and were attending anti-war protests at that time. I know, because I was one of them. I ran into a couple of other conservative/rightist attendees, but we were a pretty small contingent. Of course, that may have been exacerbated somewhat by the fact these demonstrations were taking place in the San Francisco Bay Area.

  103. All of this data is suspect. Yes, a few Big Names have either endorsed candidates or given publicly disclosed funds to candidates/parties/causes. But that only tells us a limited amount.

    People change political views over time. Also, especially now, people “identify” publicly with candidates/causes because it is obvious “virtue signaling” among their peers or intended audiences.

    Most actors/actresses are poorly educated since their younger years were climbing up the ladder. Yes, a few are college grads and a very few are very intelligent, well read, etc. Most are empty vessels. Dumb as rocks, surrounded by aides, managers, flunkies and party hounds.

    Many celebs are also targeted by causes/candidates. And they are working in a fairly left-liberal environment in a very artificial economic environment. You either get paid well (or union) or not hardly at all. In the past many liberal celebs became so because of their very impoverished early working years. Poor man’s resentment. Combined with near total ignorance of how capitalism works. And if they hit it big, often they support causes/candidates which seem socialist or merely envious. But if you’re worth millions you tend to not think about small increases in taxes. But I’ve never heard of any celeb voluntarily paying additional. Who among these neo commies releases THEIR tax returns? Yet they yap about Trump doing so.

    Today, with neo Stalinism run amok, especially in manufactured “popular culture”, few dissenters are willing to risk Twitter mob hatred and being Memory Holed. So more conservative/libertarian celebs keep even quieter. So the data is suspect. Being famous for being pretty or lucky doesn’t make you smarter than the average Deplorable trying to survive. Speaking words written by others doesn’t make you intelligent. Or caring. Or anything really important.

  104. @J.Ross
    where “left-leaning” refers to beliefs typically associated with the Democratic Party, including a more “dovish” approach to war

    I made it this far. Congratulations, you wasted your time and some of mine. Not curious but did they go on to explain that "real" communism hasn't been tried?

    Replies: @c matt

    Agree – start with an inaccurate measuring stick, get useless data. If my yardstick is two miles long, then the Himalayas are only a couple of feet tall.

  105. @Buzz Mohawk
    It would be interesting to know how diet fits into this. One would guess Right leaners would be more likely to eat more red meat, which helps build a strong body.

    Chicken (beef) or egg... Do the views on war precede the diet or come from it?

    Let's face it, vegetarians and the like are far more likely to be Leftys.

    I have a problem with the narrow focus on war and how one favors it, though. Foolishly supporting war of any kind, now matter how little benefit to your own people and how high the co$t, would seem to be a stupid measure of a man. I say this as a godlike figure who grills a mean steak and gets a boner seeing an A-10 do its job, but opposes foreign entanglements.

    Replies: @anon

    “Let’s face it, vegetarians and the like are far more likely to be Leftys.”
    Don’t forget Der Fuhrer was a vegetarian.

  106. @syonredux
    Any physical explanations for Left vs Right female movie stars? Why did, for example, these women lean Right:

    Barbara Stanwyck

    Ginger Rogers

    Jane Russell

    June Allyson


    Whereas these gals go Left:


    Jane Fonda

    Susan Sarandon

    Alyssa Milano


    Emma Watson

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @baythoven, @c matt

    My guess – it’s a real woman vs. little girl thing. Seems the left leaning ones grew older, but never grew up.

  107. @Finspapa
    If Duvall was “grizzled” 20 years ago—which you’ll get no argument from me—can you provide a good adjective for the man today?

    Replies: @Ozymandias

    Gristled?

  108. @Joe Stalin

    Rambo's Sylvester Stallone supports gun control

    BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. — Sylvester Stallone says that despite his “Rambo” image and new shoot-em-up film “Bullet to the Head,” he’s in favor of new national gun control legislation.

    Stallone supported the 1994 “Brady bill” that included a now-expired ban on assault weapons, and hopes that ban can be reinstated.

    “I know people get (upset) and go, ‘They’re going to take away the assault weapon.’ Who … needs an assault weapon? Like really, unless you’re carrying out an assault. … You can’t hunt with it. … Who’s going to attack your house, a (expletive) army?”

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/2/rambos-sylvester-stallone-supports-gun-control/
     

    Replies: @Pericles, @c matt

    You can’t hunt with it.

    Putting aside the issue that the 2A has zilch to do with hunting, actually, you can use an AR 15 for hunting.

  109. @ScarletNumber
    @Reg Cæsar

    Galbraith lived until 97, an extraordinarily long time for a man that tall.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Galbraith lived until 97, an extraordinarily long time for a man that wrong about most everything.

    FIFY.

  110. @Kratoklastes
    @Harry Baldwin


    If you really wanted to study whether muscular men tend to be more conservative, you’d be better off finding them in an environment in which there was not so much pressure to conform to leftist views.
     
    ... said someone who has never seen the inside of a gym. Cozif you have, it's not even a remotely interesting question.

    Srsly... even I - yea, verily, I - am routinely appalled by the weltanschauung of the average gymbro.

    If I was writing a test, the 'assert' would be: if a bloke's biceps are 17"+ cold, he's what Americans would call "conservative" (without the fuckwitted religion overlay/baggage that Yanks have).

    Likewise: I have never known anyone who could bench 330lb who was identifiably 'progressive' (in the US sense of the word).

    The hard limit is 20 pullups: if there is a genuine progressive who can do 20 dead-hang pullups at a bodyweight >200lb, I will join the Thunberger Climate Cult tomorrow and advocate for it for the rest of my days.*

    Note that I have known dozens - perhaps hundreds - of men who had solid arms and a 300 bench, who would evince 'progressive' attitudes if they thought it would enable them to get an aerobics instructor in the sack. I only know about 20 200lb guys who can do 20 pullups, and they're all slightly to the right of Reinhard Heydrich.

    [*] No, I won't, actually. Not unless that motherfucker does 20 in front of me, and then we get drunk together (during which time he will reveal the depths of his wrongthink, giving me the easy out at first).

    Replies: @UK, @another anon

    I weigh more than 200lbs and can do 30 pull ups without a break. I am a sort of progressive.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @UK

    Are these pullups coming all the way down with straight arms and no leg motion?

    Replies: @UK

  111. @ScarletNumber
    Left-Wing

    Jack Black
    Humphrey Bogart
    Marlon Brando
    Mel Brooks
    Pierce Brosnan
    Nicholas Cage
    Jim Carrey
    Charlie Chaplin
    Don Cheadle
    John Cleese
    George Clooney
    Russell Crowe
    Tom Cruise
    Matt Damon
    Patrick Dempsey
    Robert DeNiro
    Johnny Depp
    Leonardo DiCaprio
    Will Ferrell
    Henry Fonda
    Harrison Ford
    Jamie Foxx
    Morgan Freeman
    Jake Gyllenhaal
    Tom Hanks
    Dustin Hoffman
    Anthony Hopkins
    Jack Lemmon
    Steve Martin
    Eddie Murphy
    Bill Murray
    Mike Myers
    Paul Newman
    Jack Nicholson
    Ed Norton
    Al Pacino
    Brad Pitt
    Richard Pryor
    Robert Redford
    Keanu Reeves
    Chris Rock
    Will Smith
    Ben Stiller
    Denzel Washington
    Gene Wilder
    Robin Williams
    Owen Wilson

    Replies: @cynthia curran

    Will Ferrall is tall. He became a leftist since his father was in a band. He was born in Irvine California when most white people are conservative. So, to rebel he became a leftist. This also happen with Jackson Browne who wanted to rebel against Orange County as well and became a leftist.

  112. @UK
    @Kratoklastes

    I weigh more than 200lbs and can do 30 pull ups without a break. I am a sort of progressive.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Are these pullups coming all the way down with straight arms and no leg motion?

    • Replies: @UK
    @J.Ross

    I don't go absolutely all the way down, just very close. I don't think it is good for you to hang completely loose. I also tend to end up moving my legs a bit near the end, when tiring, but not too much. I haven't tested my max for a while, it is probably higher. I'm good at them because I have been doing them regularly for years.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  113. @ScarletNumber
    Right-Wing

    Clint Eastwood
    Cary Grant
    Charlton Heston
    Bob Hope
    Dwayne Johnson
    Matthew McConaughey
    Steve McQueen
    Chuck Norris
    Adam Sandler
    Arnold Schwarzenegger
    Sylvester Stallone
    Vince Vaughn
    John Wayne
    Bruce Willis

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @R.G. Camara, @Hypnotoad666, @soonertroll, @Pericles, @Ron Mexico, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Hibernian

    Michael Moriarty

  114. This article seems to have defined height itself as a masculine quality so it’s not surprising the “right” are taller than the “left”. But I recall a different article some years ago that claimed conservative men tend to be shorter. In the dating market, a more left society with decline of marriage and effective polygamy tends to favor bigger males. 6’8″ Shauntavius spends his days playing basketball on the Muscle Beach courts of LA and collecting welfare, having fathered 26 kids by 26 different women before the age of 26, all of whom are looked after by Uncle Sam’s liberal generosity. It’s no different with the giant college liberal men who espouse leftist viewpoints to gain sex, except their progeny all end in abortions. Shorter men need the more patriarchal society with early marriage, strict monogamy, and strong taboos on playboy lifestyles/hookup culture.

    I was reading the story of the film Top Gun. 6’3″ Southern California surf boy liberal Matthew Modine was supposed to be the original Top Gun, but rejected the movie because it was too right wing. So they went with Tom Cruise who has no problem with American nationalism. I’m not sure how the article above goes defining Tom Cruise as a man of the left, other than their original criteria of “height” = “right” therefore putting him on the left by default. Tom Cruise is largely apolitical as far as I can tell. I don’t doubt he’s given some money to the Democrats or liberal causes over the years, but that’s largely to make them go away. In fact I just looked him up on Open Secrets and he’s given surprisingly little.

  115. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    These included such imposing figures as Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bruce Willis, Chuck Norris, Clint Eastwood, Sylvester Stallone, Dwayne Johnson (“the Rock”), and Charlton Heston.
     
    Schwarzenegger, Norris and Johnson all transitioned from prior careers in bodybuilding, Martial Arts, and entertainment wrestling. I think this probably skews results, since this isn't the usual course for becoming a Hollywood movie actor which involves a less traditionally masculine/meatheaded lifestyle.

    The usual course typically involves getting into theater at some point in high school or soon after, which is probably a strategy for meeting loose girls that boys employ when they can't become the football hero to attract girls. (similar to picking up a guitar or forming a rock band). This probably either reflects or enhances feelings of resentment towards the football hero types and an affinity for fringe personalities (queers and assorted freaks).

    All modern politics is really a continuation of high school after all.

    Replies: @Milesglorious

    I would say Middle school.

  116. Presumably actors have similar experiences in their working life, so it is interesting that some lean to the left politically and some to the right.

    Perhaps they try to mirror what they think the majority of their fans prefer or expect from their on screen persona, which would explain why someone like Chuck Norris donates Republican.

    So perhaps, in the end, their public political persona as they mature depends on the type of parts they are offered when they start their careers in acting.

  117. @Pericles
    @ScarletNumber

    Missed Mel Gibson and Gary Oldman.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    This isn’t my personal list, so I didn’t miss anyone.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @ScarletNumber

    Congratulations on being a good copyist.

  118. @Kratoklastes
    @Harry Baldwin


    If you really wanted to study whether muscular men tend to be more conservative, you’d be better off finding them in an environment in which there was not so much pressure to conform to leftist views.
     
    ... said someone who has never seen the inside of a gym. Cozif you have, it's not even a remotely interesting question.

    Srsly... even I - yea, verily, I - am routinely appalled by the weltanschauung of the average gymbro.

    If I was writing a test, the 'assert' would be: if a bloke's biceps are 17"+ cold, he's what Americans would call "conservative" (without the fuckwitted religion overlay/baggage that Yanks have).

    Likewise: I have never known anyone who could bench 330lb who was identifiably 'progressive' (in the US sense of the word).

    The hard limit is 20 pullups: if there is a genuine progressive who can do 20 dead-hang pullups at a bodyweight >200lb, I will join the Thunberger Climate Cult tomorrow and advocate for it for the rest of my days.*

    Note that I have known dozens - perhaps hundreds - of men who had solid arms and a 300 bench, who would evince 'progressive' attitudes if they thought it would enable them to get an aerobics instructor in the sack. I only know about 20 200lb guys who can do 20 pullups, and they're all slightly to the right of Reinhard Heydrich.

    [*] No, I won't, actually. Not unless that motherfucker does 20 in front of me, and then we get drunk together (during which time he will reveal the depths of his wrongthink, giving me the easy out at first).

    Replies: @UK, @another anon

    The hard limit is 20 pullups: if there is a genuine progressive who can do 20 dead-hang pullups at a bodyweight >200lb, I will join the Thunberger Climate Cult tomorrow and advocate for it for the rest of my days.*

    The laws of physics do not care about your feelings, and even less about your muscles.

    Note that I have known dozens – perhaps hundreds – of men who had solid arms and a 300 bench, who would evince ‘progressive’ attitudes if they thought it would enable them to get an aerobics instructor in the sack.

    Maybe because the progressives have better things to do with their lives than build up muscles?
    Like take over government, academia, media, entertainment, business and everything in general.
    They are happy to leave you the gym, the playground and the sandbox.

    I only know about 20 200lb guys who can do 20 pullups, and they’re all slightly to the right of Reinhard Heydrich.

    This means that your big muscled buddies want genocidal war against the whole world, when the world outnumbers you three to one?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers

    The Axis population in 1938 was 258.9 million, while the Allied population (excluding the Soviet Union and the United States, which later joined the Allies) was 689.7 million.[35] Thus the Allied powers outnumbered the Axis powers by 2.7 to 1


    If loser like Heydrich is the ultimate yardstick of “right winger” (I see you agree with the left that the right is about militarism, war and genocide) , there is no surprise that the right loses, loses again and then loses everything.

  119. @J.Ross
    @UK

    Are these pullups coming all the way down with straight arms and no leg motion?

    Replies: @UK

    I don’t go absolutely all the way down, just very close. I don’t think it is good for you to hang completely loose. I also tend to end up moving my legs a bit near the end, when tiring, but not too much. I haven’t tested my max for a while, it is probably higher. I’m good at them because I have been doing them regularly for years.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @UK

    "I also tend to end up moving my legs a bit near the end"

    >Okay, well, this man is definitely deceased.
    >Are you sure about that, doctor?
    >No pulse, no breathing, temperature room temperature, well, yes.
    >But what about this recruit who says he doesn't kip but he does move his legs?
    >Wait, what is this word "kip"?
    >What's that? Doctor, what's that?
    >My God, it's impossible in rigor mortis! The cadaver's making ... knife hands!
    >Knife hands?
    >Wait a minute, why did you call this man a recruit? How is that term appropriate here?
    >I was ...
    >My God --
    >I was ...
    > Impossible -- you're also making knife hands --
    >I was ... instructed!
    >No! No! Stay away from this doctor! Noooo!

  120. @UK
    @J.Ross

    I don't go absolutely all the way down, just very close. I don't think it is good for you to hang completely loose. I also tend to end up moving my legs a bit near the end, when tiring, but not too much. I haven't tested my max for a while, it is probably higher. I'm good at them because I have been doing them regularly for years.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    “I also tend to end up moving my legs a bit near the end”

    >Okay, well, this man is definitely deceased.
    >Are you sure about that, doctor?
    >No pulse, no breathing, temperature room temperature, well, yes.
    >But what about this recruit who says he doesn’t kip but he does move his legs?
    >Wait, what is this word “kip”?
    >What’s that? Doctor, what’s that?
    >My God, it’s impossible in rigor mortis! The cadaver’s making … knife hands!
    >Knife hands?
    >Wait a minute, why did you call this man a recruit? How is that term appropriate here?
    >I was …
    >My God —
    >I was …
    > Impossible — you’re also making knife hands —
    >I was … instructed!
    >No! No! Stay away from this doctor! Noooo!

  121. Hollywood stars have fake muscles though… as Gervais said they should not have awards for acting anymore but for most time spent in the gym and best steroid junky.

    As for effeninate right leaning celebrities John Malkovich is famously right wing in a neo-conish way.

  122. @R.G. Camara
    As to height:

    I've noticed that a lot of Left wing Big Names are very tall. Comey, Clinton, John Kerry, Obama, Trudeau from Canada, all are very tall compared with average. I don't know if its true for Righty big names, but it seems as if tall left wing men get ahead real quick. I get the sense from Left wing big men that many of them chose the left-wing path because they could physically intimidate the majority of smaller Left wing men into following and left-wing women, seeking a sexy male leader to groupie for, went for height.

    Story time:

    I encountered a left-wing political leader type kid back in college.. He was a mid-20s "name" who went around speaking on campuses and drumming up support and followings for left-wing causes. He was quite tall (6'3" or thereabouts). Given his age, his height, and his looks (Trudeau-type), he had lots of females at his speeches and rallies. Not a bad gig for getting laid, I don't hate on him for it..

    I'm only about average height, btw. Important for the rest of the story.

    I got sucked into attending one of his speeches, and holy cow it pissed me off. He was off the rails with lies and commie propaganda---shades of Antifa nonsense today. It was like Michael Moore and Jane Fonda had a baby and made it watch Young Turks for its lifetime.

    I got so pissed . I walked right up to the podium in the middle and started yelling at him (I was young and hotheaded and stupid). He dared me (in front of his audience) to get on stage, which I did (again, I wasn't brave, just emotional and dumb). I got up about 5-10 feet away from him.

    He then made an fake aggressive step towards me with a big stomp, which I recognized as a move designed to scare me---to "scatter the pigeons"; the kind of thing you do to scare pets or small children. Instead of backing off, however, I took the same step towards him, and kept walking to him. Not running, but I was perfectly prepared thanks to anger to start going at it with him.

    That;s when he did something surprising to me: he immediately started walking backwards, put his hands up, and called for help, at which point a couple of audience guys got between us and told me to leave.

    Now, this guy was at least a head taller than me, and young and in shape then. In any fight with him, I would lose, but I was gonna at least make him sore and maybe bruise him, I was so angry. And he called me out on stage. But when confronted with an actual physical threat that wasn't scared of him, he ran. He would rather be a coward than suffer a little pain from his own challenge.

    It's always stuck with me about tall lefty men. I think they've been ensconced with soy boys and females and degenerates so much they just assume you're going to back down and they're not going to fight. But actually call them on the bluff and they wither.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Harry Baldwin, @Not My Economy, @Twinkie, @Charlotte, @Reg Cæsar, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alden

    Great story lefties are first and foremost bullies. Congratulations.

  123. @JohnnyWalker123
    Height and muscularity were positively associated with right-wing politics. Ethnicity (White Gentile) and gender (male) also appear to correlate with right-wing politics.

    So Arnold Schwarzenegger would be a typical conservative.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbjjhKaoZKs

    Gladiator would be a typically conservative film. The film glorifies traits like masculinity, stoicism, strength, honor, duty, and patriotism. The slogan of the movie was "strength and honor."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owK1qxDselE

    Here's a scene that I think conservatives would appreciate. Start watching at 40 seconds into the video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIAzXNuDveU

    Here's a cool scene that I felt like sharing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1UmHfWCw-4

    The villain of the film was Commodus, who was portrayed as weak, cowardly, effete, feminine, sexually ambiguous, selfish, and narcissistic.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @The Wild Geese Howard, @LondonBob

    The first half of Gladiator is almost identical to the first half of The Fall of the Roman Empire.

    The second half seems to go on about making barbarians Roman citizens, Marcus Aurelius’s supposed last wish, typical sixties very left wing promotion of multiculturalism and immigration, so Gladiator is a lot more right wing, like most of Ridley Scott’s films.

  124. @anonymous
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Ghost you know better. Yes LBJ was a Democrat.

    Those antiwar-protesters in the 1960's weren't Young Republicans. You know that.

    Anyone on the street protesting the Iraq war circa 03- 09 damn sure wasn't a Republican. At least not a Republican in good standing.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @William Badwhite

    Yes LBJ was a Democrat.

    As was Kennedy, who got us into the mess. Which party do you think the President that got us out of Vietnam (Nixon) was in?

    Anyone on the street protesting the Iraq war circa 03- 09 damn sure wasn’t a Republican. At least not a Republican in good standing.

    That is because Republicans typically have jobs. Protesting in the street is for mongrels and losers.

    At least not a Republican in good standing.

    Plenty of Republicans opposed the Iraq war, I was one of them (though I’m no longer a Republican).

  125. For anyone who is willing to dive into the weeds with me on this, I think it could provide interesting insight into the blog which we dedicate so much of our time to reading.

    One of the main things which divides liberals and conservatives is the level of complexity and nuance that inform their viewpoints.

    For instance, conservatives tend to support political beliefs with simple premises informed by emotion. For instance, “If you want to be rich, you gotta work hard.” “If you commit a crime, you should get punished”. These beliefs lend themselves easily to slogans but are difficult for those who hold them to fully explain them. I call this type A thinking.

    Liberals on the other hand tend to favor highly intricate, nuanced beliefs and viewpoints informed by logic. For instance “A series of systems and unconscious biases determine one’s wealth”. “Crime is the result of a complex series of complex socioeconomic factors.” These don’t lend themselves well to slogans and are often hard to explain in a tweet or a thanksgiving dinner political discussion. I call this Type B thinking.

    I think people who are likely to gravitate toward complex, intricate theories would tend to adopt highly convoluted and intricate theories on race, gender or social justice because it fits into the way they interpret the world. This is why academia–which disproportionately rewards those with type B brains–skews liberal.

    What’s interesting about Steve Sailer is that he has a type B brain, meaning he has an extremely high tolerance for complexity, nuance and details. And yet he prides himself on adopting Type A premises on social and cultural issues. So he’ll come to type A conclusions that African Americans are Violent, Gay men are Promiscuous, and Jews are Greedy, but he uses type B thinking to get there.

    I don’t know many other people who do this, maybe Thomas Sowell. But I’d love all of your inputs, and if anyone has done research on this (type A vs Type B), I’d love to see articles about is.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @ginger bread man

    "African-Americans" are as a general rule more violent than most other groups and male homosexuals as a rule are wildly more promiscuous than heterosexual males or any females. This is easy to demonstrate from statistics or simple observation.

    As a rule means what it means. Men are taller than women, but Taylor Swift is taller than Mick Jagger, and Chrissie Hynde is taller than Ray Davies, and every woman they ever dated were pretty much taller than Dudley Moore and Rod Stewart.

    As to Jews, there you have to be a little more nuanced, but they are on average smarter than most other groups-no larger group is on average smarter-and they use their intelligence and their group cohesion effectively.

  126. What’s interesting about Steve Sailer is that he has a type B brain, meaning he has an extremely high tolerance for complexity, nuance and details. And yet he prides himself on adopting Type A premises on social and cultural issues.

    But I think that is what conservative (and religious) leadership always has done–obtain wealth and power by boiling down complex life problems into simple slogans that can be marketed to the simple minded who can be exploited.

    For example, there are probably many politicians who say they favor the death penalty for political reasons, but few who are actually prepared to administer it themselves (if asked). And they don’t want to discuss questions like whether life in prison is a fate worse than death, or whether application of revenge 20 years later actually heals the souls of the murder victim’s family.

    An eye for an eye, a death for a death is the kind of thinking that appeals to simple minds, and yet perhaps it is the best answer, all the same if it is consistently applied. If everyone knew that the penalty for causing death by dangerous or drunk driving was execution, more people would probably drive more carefully and those who did kill people by dangerous or drunken driving would sentence their own genes to oblivion–so the general effect would be to reduce the number of deadly drivers.

    “Comrades!’ he cried. ‘You do not imagine, I hope, that we pigs are doing this in a spirit of selfishness and privilege? Many of us actually dislike milk and apples. I dislike them myself. Our sole object in taking these things is to preserve our health. Milk and apples (this has been proved by Science, comrades) contain substances absolutely necessary to the well-being of a pig. We pigs are brain workers. The whole management and organization of this farm depend on us. Day and night we are watching over your welfare. It is for your sake that we drink the milk and eat those apples.”
    ― George Orwell, Animal Farm

    Steve Sailer may come to conclusions like African Americans are Violent, Gay men are Promiscuous, and Jews are Greedy, which are all arguments for which data can be found, but does not offer much in terms of what can be done to reduce black violence, gay promiscuity, or Jewish avarice, which are difficult questions.

    Black violence might be addressed by promoting abortion of male children, gay promiscuity offering subsidies for self castration, and Jewish avarice by declaring all debts to be discharged every seven years–but all of these measures would find strong opposition in certain quarters.

  127. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @ginger bread man
    For anyone who is willing to dive into the weeds with me on this, I think it could provide interesting insight into the blog which we dedicate so much of our time to reading.

    One of the main things which divides liberals and conservatives is the level of complexity and nuance that inform their viewpoints.

    For instance, conservatives tend to support political beliefs with simple premises informed by emotion. For instance, "If you want to be rich, you gotta work hard." "If you commit a crime, you should get punished". These beliefs lend themselves easily to slogans but are difficult for those who hold them to fully explain them. I call this type A thinking.

    Liberals on the other hand tend to favor highly intricate, nuanced beliefs and viewpoints informed by logic. For instance "A series of systems and unconscious biases determine one's wealth". "Crime is the result of a complex series of complex socioeconomic factors." These don't lend themselves well to slogans and are often hard to explain in a tweet or a thanksgiving dinner political discussion. I call this Type B thinking.

    I think people who are likely to gravitate toward complex, intricate theories would tend to adopt highly convoluted and intricate theories on race, gender or social justice because it fits into the way they interpret the world. This is why academia--which disproportionately rewards those with type B brains--skews liberal.

    What's interesting about Steve Sailer is that he has a type B brain, meaning he has an extremely high tolerance for complexity, nuance and details. And yet he prides himself on adopting Type A premises on social and cultural issues. So he'll come to type A conclusions that African Americans are Violent, Gay men are Promiscuous, and Jews are Greedy, but he uses type B thinking to get there.

    I don't know many other people who do this, maybe Thomas Sowell. But I'd love all of your inputs, and if anyone has done research on this (type A vs Type B), I'd love to see articles about is.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “African-Americans” are as a general rule more violent than most other groups and male homosexuals as a rule are wildly more promiscuous than heterosexual males or any females. This is easy to demonstrate from statistics or simple observation.

    As a rule means what it means. Men are taller than women, but Taylor Swift is taller than Mick Jagger, and Chrissie Hynde is taller than Ray Davies, and every woman they ever dated were pretty much taller than Dudley Moore and Rod Stewart.

    As to Jews, there you have to be a little more nuanced, but they are on average smarter than most other groups-no larger group is on average smarter-and they use their intelligence and their group cohesion effectively.

  128. @MikeatMikedotMike
    OT - Man pretending to be women loses case about having his scrotum waxed and promptly attacks a reporter outside the courthouse:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/trans-gression-female-activist-who-flipped-out-when-women-refused-wax-his-balls-attacks

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Reg Cæsar, @anonymous, @sb

    I thought she was a vegan

  129. @RichardTaylor
    Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn't have much moral courage as it turns out, however. He collapsed as governor of California when the opposition got strong. And now, he goes out of his way to champion Leftist causes.

    He chooses to be a "winner" at all costs, even if that means cheating his own voters.

    He's currently saying whatever Hollywood wants to hear about the environment or Trump, in order to get a pat on the head. So, in the long run, you might be better off with guys who've had to show some moral/social courage over displays of physical strength.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon87

    With his trajectory, I can almost see Arnold going MtF tranny soon. Stopping the roids I think scrambled his hormones.

    Meanwhile Sly seems to continue to juice, and he gets more “blackpilled” the older he gets.

  130. @ScarletNumber
    @Pericles

    This isn't my personal list, so I didn't miss anyone.

    Replies: @Pericles

    Congratulations on being a good copyist.

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