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After much dragging on Twitter, poor Dr. Dawkins tweets that as penance for Badthink he is mortifying his brain cells by appreciatively listening to Angela Saini’s low brow Science Denialist Superior: The Return of Race Science:

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1229362927515381762

I hope Dawkins gets to the part where Saini goes to interview Harvard geneticist David Reich, who methodically demolishes her book’s entire thesis and Saini is left with no response except to harrumph in shock:

They are words I never expected to hear from a respected mainstream geneticist.

 
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  1. Life after cancellation? Maybe in retail.

  2. His Twitter bio says “good humored ridiculor of religions.” Not of the one that is most powerful today.

    • Thanks: Hail
    • Replies: @Dr doomNgloom
    “Life after cancellation?”

    Star Trek?
    , @Desiderius
    6 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

    2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

    3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

    4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.

    5 For every man shall bear his own burden.

    6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

    7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

    8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

    9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

    10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
    , @Old Palo Altan
    "ridiculor"?

    No, he wrote "ridicule". Whatever else he is, he's not illiterate.
    , @Prester John
    You mean the one that replaces "God" with "Me?"
    , @Mr. Anon
    Quite so. Dawkins has long been an arrogant critic of Christianity (that's really the only religion he picks on). And yet it wasn't Christians who sought to have him cancelled. It is the adherents of the new, woke "I f**king love science" kind of religion that want to make him an unperson.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Dawkins is from an older generation of liberals, who grew up in the pre-PC era. A lot of these individuals take pride in being irreverent. They're full of endless cynicism towards everything in life, and get a thrill out of mockery.

    As constraints on speech have tightened in recent years, older liberals have tried their best to internalize the new orthodoxy. However, after a certain age, it's sometimes difficult to learn something new, especially if you don't fully believe in it.

    So there's a tendency for older liberals to sometimes commit a "faux pas" and say what they really think.

    In contrast, younger liberals grew up in a highly PC society. So they've truly internalized it all. Younger liberals also come from a generation that's not much into mockery or ridicule. They're Generation "Safe Space" and seek to avoid anything confrontational.

    Bill Maher is a good example of an older liberal who tries to conform to PC, but chafes at it too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvdLY1ugyCo
  3. OT – is this Bloomberg? Background needed.

    • Replies: @Thirdeye
    Damn, it looks like he might get elected after all.
  4. For a history of Richard Dawkins transparent illogic see this lacerating review of his 2004 book “The Devil’s Chaplain” by physicist Stephen Barr:

    https://www.firstthings.com/article/2004/08/001-the-devils-chaplain

    Barr writes from a Catholic Christian perspective, but his assessment of Dawkins’ obviously defective reasoning would be wickedly accurate from any perspective except that of Dawkins’ and his ilk.

    • Replies: @Bill
    Dick isn't very bright. He is useful, though, in that thinking he is bright is an excellent signal of conformist stupidity in the thinker.
    , @Dan Hayes
    Of interest is the fact that physicist Stephen Barr is the biological brother of Attorney General Bill Barr whose mother is the Irish American Catholic wife of his Jewish convert father.
  5. Now listening to audio of @AngelaDSaini’s book, Superior. Well written & well narrated by author. Interesting, well-researched treatment of racism, and insidious below-the-radar persistence of covert racism after overt racism became unrespectable.

    10 ‘likes’ from MiniTrue received

  6. Good riddance. I always found Dawkins extremely annoying. As militant atheists go, only Peter Singer and that P. J. Myers dude are more insufferable.

    • Replies: @dr kill
    Is ole PJ still a thing. Haha Haha. I think it was Vox Day who used to play Trump to his Jen Rubin.
    , @Anonymous

    As militant atheists go, only Peter Singer and that P. J. Myers dude are more insufferable.
     
    "There is no God, and Dawkins is his prophet."
  7. It’s one thing to deplore eugenics on ideological, political, moral grounds.

    It’s idiocy that’s what it is.

    It’s quite another to conclude that it wouldn’t work in practice.

    Who doesn’t think “I will bang a decrepit partner with various genetic misfeatures, cigarette lungs and IQ 85 and make superbaby” every single day?

    The only thing Twitter can breed up as counterargument is “muh poor dogs!!”.

  8. Amusing how one commenter scolds Dr Dawkins that she’s never seen anyone argue the eugenics wouldn’t work, Followed by a twit-storm of people arguing just that.

  9. @Barnard
    His Twitter bio says "good humored ridiculor of religions." Not of the one that is most powerful today.

    “Life after cancellation?”

    Star Trek?

  10. From the Amazon page:
    Superior: The Return of Race Science Hardcover – May 21, 2019
    Editorial review #4

    “Superior: The Return of Race Science makes the compelling case that scientific racism is as prevalent as it has ever been, and explores the way such backward beliefs have continued to evolve and persist. And it couldn’t be more timely.”
    —Bitch

    Is Bitch a feminist magazine or just a person?

  11. Was waiting for you to get around to this. Dawkins deserves everything he gets, even if he doesn’t. He’s such a putz but then on the upside the left effing hates them.

    Off topic: Interesting convo on bloggingheads between Glenn Loury, Peter Skerry and some conquistadz. or American on “race and immigration”. https://bloggingheads.tv/videos/58198?in=35:04

  12. Is Dawkins a stranger to shame?

    • Replies: @Lurker
    It would appear so.
  13. There is no need to hypothesize about eugenics. According to Wikipedia, “About 92% of pregnancies in Europe with a diagnosis of Down syndrome are terminated. As a result, there are almost no people with Down’s in Iceland and Denmark, where screening is commonplace. In the United States, the termination rate after diagnosis is around 75%, but varies from 61% to 93% depending on the population surveyed.”

    • Replies: @Anon7
    This must be the result of the new test that uses a sample of the mother's blood. The old way (when my wife and I had children) was amniocentesis, which generally wasn't performed unless the mother was over 35. The reasoning was that amnio itself had a 1 in 100 risk of inducing a spontaneous abortion, and so it didn't make sense to have one unless the risk of birth defects was correspondingly high.

    The risk of having a Down syndrome child was 1 in 1,200 at age 25; most Down children were born to young mothers who had no reason to get an amnio. But now the new blood test reduces the risk to zero; that's why the Danes can virtually eliminate Down syndrome.

    Thanks for posting; I couldn't figure out how they could do it. I had no idea there was a new test.
  14. It’s one thing to deplore eugenics on ideological, political, moral grounds. It’s quite another to conclude that it wouldn’t work in practice. Of course it would. It works for cows, horses, pigs, dogs & roses. Why on earth wouldn’t it work for humans? Facts ignore ideology.

    Dawkins was correct here…too bad he doesn’t have the balls to defend truth.

  15. If you’re not cancelled, you’re not truly alive.

    That said, Dawkins’s grovelling isn’t terribly attractive.

  16. Steve Sailer Retweeted:

    • Replies: @ic1000
    Link to Dawkins' tweet from earlier today.

    Now listening to audio of @AngelaDSaini’s book, Superior. Well written & well narrated by author. Interesting, well-researched treatment of racism, and insidious below-the-radar persistence of covert racism after overt racism became unrespectable.
     
    Some amusing responses.

    Nathan Cofnas @nathancofnas

    Richard Dawkins is a brave truth teller when it comes mocking creationists and homeopaths who have no power in his social circles.

    But don't expect Dawkins to stand up for science when it might actually cost him.
     
    Steve Sailer @Steve_Sailer

    Dear @RichardDawkins: I realize you are being forced to mortify your brain cells by reading Angela Saini's low-brow Science Denialism, but you at least deserve a tonic: my review of Saini's "Superior:"
     
    Vibeke Hovgaard @Vibeke_Hovgaard

    Is that what happens when the demand for racism exceeds the supply
     
    Terence Patrick Murphy @TerencePatric12

    Richard? Is that you? Okay, listen... I will talk about cornflakes and how tasty they are. If they are holding you hostage, you should agree and say, "Yes, cornflakes are my favorite breakfast cereal too!" If you are fine, just say, "No, seriously, Saini is Lit Up, Man!"
     
    , @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/1229079856362610688
    https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/1229085519163707392
    https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/1229087321712021505

    https://www.artistshot.com/assets/images/admin/product_design/2008258/devo-duty-now-for-the-future-baby-bibs.jpg
    , @J.Ross
    Interesting, so just like the Believer thinks that the Holocaust was about baking people in ovens (as opposed to disposing of corpses there), that Trump mocked a disabled reporter for his (in the moment invisible) disability, that "conspiracy" is a logical shorthand for "conspiracy theory," so too "eugenics" in their minds means "mass killing," as opposed to, say, people getting married and having children with scientific help.
    , @El Dato
    "Eliminating disease and susceptibility to pandemics in a way that is linked to HITLER by approximately six degrees of logical inference is bad because it makes you susceptible to disease and pandemics."

    Thank you Gu!
  17. I recommend this video debunking and explaining the history and people behind the Bell Curve which exists to justify scientific racism and social Darwinism in politics.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBc7qBS1Ujo&feature=youtu.be

    it’s just baffling and disappointing that Dawkins tweets these pedantic and inflammatory things like this as if a slightly incorrect understanding the arguments against eugenics is the most important battle we must fight today.

    • Troll: Unladen Swallow
  18. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1229245955200798725

    Steve Sailer Retweeted:
    https://twitter.com/DorYeshorimNY/status/923201408085700608

    https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/1229053031842340864

    Link to Dawkins’ tweet from earlier today.

    Now listening to audio of @AngelaDSaini’s book, Superior. Well written & well narrated by author. Interesting, well-researched treatment of racism, and insidious below-the-radar persistence of covert racism after overt racism became unrespectable.

    Some amusing responses.

    Nathan Cofnas @nathancofnas

    Richard Dawkins is a brave truth teller when it comes mocking creationists and homeopaths who have no power in his social circles.

    But don’t expect Dawkins to stand up for science when it might actually cost him.

    Steve Sailer @Steve_Sailer

    Dear @RichardDawkins: I realize you are being forced to mortify your brain cells by reading Angela Saini’s low-brow Science Denialism, but you at least deserve a tonic: my review of Saini’s “Superior:”

    Vibeke Hovgaard @Vibeke_Hovgaard

    Is that what happens when the demand for racism exceeds the supply

    Terence Patrick Murphy @TerencePatric12

    Richard? Is that you? Okay, listen… I will talk about cornflakes and how tasty they are. If they are holding you hostage, you should agree and say, “Yes, cornflakes are my favorite breakfast cereal too!” If you are fine, just say, “No, seriously, Saini is Lit Up, Man!”

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Haha at that last one!
  19. @Barnard
    His Twitter bio says "good humored ridiculor of religions." Not of the one that is most powerful today.

    6 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

    2 Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

    3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

    4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.

    5 For every man shall bear his own burden.

    6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

    7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

    8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

    9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

    10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

  20. He’s like a nerd who will say anything to be accepted by the “cool kids”.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "He’s like a nerd who will say anything to be accepted by the “cool kids”."

    It's more that he once was THE cool kid, every lefty atheist loved his attacks on religion (this was before 9/11) , lots of magazine profiles of the best-selling intellectual iconoclast and his pretty, aristocratic film-star wife.

    Now, things have moved on, and what was accepted twenty or thirty years ago (e.g. that human eugenics could be effective) now means that you're a Nazi. Compare with a cool kid from an earlier generation, Germaine Greer. Her view that women are people with ovaries, vaginas, breasts, XX chromosomes now marks her, not as a provocative, iconoclastic feminist but as an eccentric, embarrassing bag-lady.

    You don't know what's going on
    You've been away far too long
    You can't come back
    And think you are still mine
    You're obsolete my baby
    My poor old-fashioned baby
    I said baby baby baby, you're out of time
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfyabMQ1cLQ
  21. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1229245955200798725

    Steve Sailer Retweeted:
    https://twitter.com/DorYeshorimNY/status/923201408085700608

    https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/1229053031842340864


    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Lot
    1. CF trait is older than 1600

    2. It’s possible its advantage is protection again lung diseases, but there are competing theories. I don’t think it’s even the leading one.

    3. There are better ways at controlling malaria and TB than having 1 in 1000 people die horrible deaths from Sickle Cell and CF and similar diseases.

    4. Only 3-4% Europeans have the CF gene, black SCT rate is the same general range. So Gu’s premise that without these genes we’ll have a bunch more malaria and TB is wrong.

    5. He’s further wrong in his premise that current efforts to prevent these diseases significantly changes the prevalence of the genes.

    Conclusion: Eugene Gu is a retarded hack. He’s wrong and ill-informed on every aspect of his argument.
    , @Hail

    Our diversity is our survival.
     
    What is the corollary?

    Non-Diversity is ____.

    What is the political extension of the corollary?
  22. Here’s a hypothetical: What would have happened if eugenicists had succeeded in eliminating (or dramatically reducing the number of) autistic “psychopaths” from the human race?

    There are lots of people working in Silicon Valley who are somewhere on the spectrum (most would be high-functioning or have mildly autistic traits). Would this have had a detrimental effect on the tech revolution?

    This is the problem. You just don’t know what kind of people your society might need in fifty years’ time.

    • Replies: @Smithsonian_6

    This is the problem. You just don’t know what kind of people your society might need in fifty years’ time.
     
    Sure. On the other hand, every animal and crop that is farmed today is only the form that it is because of eugenics.
    , @Anonymous
    Spergy people on the autism spectrum are not hood spraying gang bangers, serial killers or retards that can’t wipe their own ass. No one needs the last three. Chlorinate them from the gene pool.
  23. Steve: Google “Andrew Sabisky”.

    But be quick about it: he’ll be gone by sundown, unless Boris Johnson has more guts than I’ve up till now given him credit for.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1229429252795269121
  24. Dawkins can signal all he likes.

    Cowardice isn’t a virtue. He’s just dumping chum in the waters.

    • Replies: @Amerimutt Golems
    His idol Bertrand Russell (Why I Am Not a Christian) was equally gutless.

    "In extreme cases, there can be little doubt of the superiority of one race to another. North America, Australia and New Zealand certainly contribute more to the civilisation of the world than they would do if they were still peopled by aborigines. It seems on the whole fair to regard Negroes as on the average inferior to white men, although for work in the tropics they are indispensable, so that their extermination (apart from the question of humanity) would be highly undesirable." - Marriage and Morals, 1929.

    "I never held Negroes to be inherently inferior. The statement in Marriage and Morals refers to environmental conditioning. I have had it withdrawn from subsequent editions because it is clearly ambiguous." – letter, March 17, 1964.
  25. https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1229362927515381762

    Yo Dawkins, I hope she sees it, bro.

    ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    "There's Something About Angela"
    , @syonredux
    It's a step down from Lalla Ward....


    https://georgesjournal.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/lalla_ward_dressed_in_the_doctors_togs_destiny_of_the_daleks.jpg

    http://thechristiangeek.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Romana.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2b/e7/f9/2be7f9003483824cb21a5c74aa377230--movie-stars-lalla-ward.jpg

    http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4100000/Romana-pics-romana-ii-4104921-1024-768.jpg
    , @Reg Cæsar
    https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/landscape_928x523/2012/06/dawson_a.jpg
  26. @Barnard
    His Twitter bio says "good humored ridiculor of religions." Not of the one that is most powerful today.

    “ridiculor”?

    No, he wrote “ridicule”. Whatever else he is, he’s not illiterate.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    He also slams the Muhammadans regularly. Its one thing to critique people and a religion who are reviled by most in the west, its another to question the whole premise of the global elites message.
    , @Hail
    One thing impressive about the Unz Review to me is how quickly the google archive picks up anything published here. A comment with a novel phrase, “good humored ridiculor of religions,” gets a google-hit a few hours after that comment's publication. This process can sometimes be impressively quick.

    Meanwhile, the big comment-sponges of the Internet today, Youtube comments and Twitter, maybe Reddit, or the big comment systems like Disqus, are both much more ephemeral (comments often disappear for one reason or another) and have much less sticking power, googleability; often invisible. Hit or miss.

    Also,

    Why doesn't the word "ridiculor" exist?

    Crossword puzzle hints for "one who ridicules":
    MOCKER One who ridicules
    SATIRIST One who ridicules It Girl in Times
    SCOFFER One ridicules small chest

  27. OT – Anarcho-tyranny in Cambridge, UK – eco-loons block roads for a week, dig up Isaac Newton’s college lawn – police make no arrests and put diversions in place round the blocked roads.

    https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/extinction-rebellion-trinity-lawn-arrests-17761864

    “Extinction Rebellion has destroyed a prized Cambridge University lawn as part of their week-long mass protest.

    This morning, activists headed to Trinity College to dig up the iconic lawn and “symbolically protect the famous apple tree to highlight the college’s collusion in the destruction of nature at Innocence Farm in Suffolk.”

    Videos and images of the protest have been shared across social media and people are calling for action.

    Members of the public are questioning why protesters have not been arrested for their “pure vandalism” and “disgusting criminal damage” of the famous university site.”

  28. Angela D Saini kind of sounds like “Angel the Saint”, which goes well with a holier-than-thou attitude.

  29. @Old Palo Altan
    "ridiculor"?

    No, he wrote "ridicule". Whatever else he is, he's not illiterate.

    He also slams the Muhammadans regularly. Its one thing to critique people and a religion who are reviled by most in the west, its another to question the whole premise of the global elites message.

  30. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1229362927515381762

    Yo Dawkins, I hope she sees it, bro.

    ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

    https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,fl_progressive,g_center,h_675,pg_1,q_80,w_1200/qkgwdgotgqkjvoppwwxz.jpg

    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2012/02/16/86279449-dawkins-antwerp_custom-baa1c0bed418b965c93befab11158a8caed0b270-s300-c85.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Angela_Saini_photo.jpeg/600px-Angela_Saini_photo.jpeg

    “There’s Something About Angela”

  31. “Of course it would. It works for cows, horses, pigs, dogs & roses. Why on earth wouldn’t it work for humans? Facts ignore ideology.”

    And yet across the board dogs for example,

    https://www.globalanimal.org/2016/04/13/10-reasons-mutts-rock/106535/

    https://www.answers.com/Q/Do_pure_bred_dogs_or_mixed_breed_mutts_make_better_pets

    There’s a reason why we discourage in breeding. Now that is generally clear that biological traits can be bred. But it’s a rigorous process of trial and error. Trying to make that work for cognition . . . is speculative because unlike biological markers — there are no clear markers for cognition. And that is where the variables of environment/circumstance play a major role in shaping ends. ave in extreme cases. Of course it will wok should have included,

    “Once we know the markers that cause said desired coginitive goal. and the processes involved”

    and even with that the consequences across the genetic schema would also have to be known lest the unforseen consequence.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Generally discouraging people under mid-90s IQ, people convicted of serious crimes that are making in se, and people with birth deformities from reproducing, hurts no one. It only does good.

    If a wealthy female with high IQ and good conformation ( birthworthy) is either going to be a single mother not drawing on the public trough or a barren doe, at least encourage her to pick say an astronaut, a Navy SEAL, a successful surgeon, et al for a sire, and not a bag of shit with a big dick and a small brain.
  32. OT:

    The Case Against Italicizing “Foreign” Words

    Italicization too often bolsters a sense of superiority when it comes to the unitalicized, reinforcing a thick patina of whiteness or other cultural dominance.

    https://catapult.co/stories/column-the-case-against-italicizing-foreign-words-khairani-barokka

    Someone can’t bag a white guy!

  33. Shattering the foundation

    based on the HBD contention these types of relationships should not be possible.

  34. @ic1000
    Link to Dawkins' tweet from earlier today.

    Now listening to audio of @AngelaDSaini’s book, Superior. Well written & well narrated by author. Interesting, well-researched treatment of racism, and insidious below-the-radar persistence of covert racism after overt racism became unrespectable.
     
    Some amusing responses.

    Nathan Cofnas @nathancofnas

    Richard Dawkins is a brave truth teller when it comes mocking creationists and homeopaths who have no power in his social circles.

    But don't expect Dawkins to stand up for science when it might actually cost him.
     
    Steve Sailer @Steve_Sailer

    Dear @RichardDawkins: I realize you are being forced to mortify your brain cells by reading Angela Saini's low-brow Science Denialism, but you at least deserve a tonic: my review of Saini's "Superior:"
     
    Vibeke Hovgaard @Vibeke_Hovgaard

    Is that what happens when the demand for racism exceeds the supply
     
    Terence Patrick Murphy @TerencePatric12

    Richard? Is that you? Okay, listen... I will talk about cornflakes and how tasty they are. If they are holding you hostage, you should agree and say, "Yes, cornflakes are my favorite breakfast cereal too!" If you are fine, just say, "No, seriously, Saini is Lit Up, Man!"
     

    Haha at that last one!

  35. You know you’re really canceled when you no longer are invited to Bilderberg Club’s meetings.

    • LOL: Hibernian
  36. Courage.

    – sincerely,

    Dan Rather

  37. Adam Rutherford is reminded to check his White privilege…..

    Adam, you know I respect you and there’s much love here for you as an ally, but it’s important to credit the work of others in our own – especially scholars of colour in a book on race. You include Robert Plomin in your acknowledgements, so surely there was space for Subhadra?

    https://twitter.com/AngelaDSaini/status/1229328769976012801

    • Replies: @Lot
    Imagine if BoJo fired Rutherford instead.

    If the Tories really want to do some good, cleaning out the full-time leftist agitators and propagandists who “work” for the British government should be priority 2 behind stopping third world migration.
    , @El Dato
    Who the hell is "Subhadra"?

    Adam, you know I respect you and there’s much love here for you AS AN ALLY, but it’s important to credit the work of others IN OUR OWN
     
    Holly shit, she just so full of herself.
    , @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/AngelaDSaini/status/1229442601952141312
  38. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1229245955200798725

    Steve Sailer Retweeted:
    https://twitter.com/DorYeshorimNY/status/923201408085700608

    https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/1229053031842340864

    Interesting, so just like the Believer thinks that the Holocaust was about baking people in ovens (as opposed to disposing of corpses there), that Trump mocked a disabled reporter for his (in the moment invisible) disability, that “conspiracy” is a logical shorthand for “conspiracy theory,” so too “eugenics” in their minds means “mass killing,” as opposed to, say, people getting married and having children with scientific help.

  39. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/1229079856362610688
    https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/1229085519163707392
    https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/1229087321712021505

    https://www.artistshot.com/assets/images/admin/product_design/2008258/devo-duty-now-for-the-future-baby-bibs.jpg

    1. CF trait is older than 1600

    2. It’s possible its advantage is protection again lung diseases, but there are competing theories. I don’t think it’s even the leading one.

    3. There are better ways at controlling malaria and TB than having 1 in 1000 people die horrible deaths from Sickle Cell and CF and similar diseases.

    4. Only 3-4% Europeans have the CF gene, black SCT rate is the same general range. So Gu’s premise that without these genes we’ll have a bunch more malaria and TB is wrong.

    5. He’s further wrong in his premise that current efforts to prevent these diseases significantly changes the prevalence of the genes.

    Conclusion: Eugene Gu is a retarded hack. He’s wrong and ill-informed on every aspect of his argument.

  40. @Barnard
    His Twitter bio says "good humored ridiculor of religions." Not of the one that is most powerful today.

    You mean the one that replaces “God” with “Me?”

  41. @syonredux
    Adam Rutherford is reminded to check his White privilege.....

    Adam, you know I respect you and there's much love here for you as an ally, but it's important to credit the work of others in our own - especially scholars of colour in a book on race. You include Robert Plomin in your acknowledgements, so surely there was space for Subhadra?
     
    https://twitter.com/AngelaDSaini/status/1229328769976012801

    Imagine if BoJo fired Rutherford instead.

    If the Tories really want to do some good, cleaning out the full-time leftist agitators and propagandists who “work” for the British government should be priority 2 behind stopping third world migration.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    If the Tories really want to do some good, cleaning out the full-time leftist agitators and propagandists who “work” for the British government should be priority 2 behind stopping third world migration.
     
    .

    They won't because they don't (want to do some good).
  42. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1229362927515381762

    Yo Dawkins, I hope she sees it, bro.

    ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

    https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,fl_progressive,g_center,h_675,pg_1,q_80,w_1200/qkgwdgotgqkjvoppwwxz.jpg

    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2012/02/16/86279449-dawkins-antwerp_custom-baa1c0bed418b965c93befab11158a8caed0b270-s300-c85.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Angela_Saini_photo.jpeg/600px-Angela_Saini_photo.jpeg

    It’s a step down from Lalla Ward….

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    The Honourable Lalla Ward!
    , @Joseph A.
    But how could such an egoist tolerate a superior Time Lady as a partner? Even the Fourth Doctor couldn't keep her around for too long.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    A solid 7.
  43. @Barnard
    His Twitter bio says "good humored ridiculor of religions." Not of the one that is most powerful today.

    Quite so. Dawkins has long been an arrogant critic of Christianity (that’s really the only religion he picks on). And yet it wasn’t Christians who sought to have him cancelled. It is the adherents of the new, woke “I f**king love science” kind of religion that want to make him an unperson.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Those who allegedly expletive deleted love science for the most part don't know real science if it hits them on the head.
    , @Anonymous

    Dawkins has long been an arrogant critic of Christianity (that’s really the only religion he picks on).
     
    Other religions are not as safe to criticize. Islam gets you killed. Judaism gets you depersoned. And no white people takes Hinduism seriously enough to bother, which along with Jews are all that matter to him despite his protestations.
    , @MEH 0910

    Dawkins has long been an arrogant critic of Christianity (that’s really the only religion he picks on).
     
    https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1230063592013271051
  44. @Lot
    Imagine if BoJo fired Rutherford instead.

    If the Tories really want to do some good, cleaning out the full-time leftist agitators and propagandists who “work” for the British government should be priority 2 behind stopping third world migration.

    If the Tories really want to do some good, cleaning out the full-time leftist agitators and propagandists who “work” for the British government should be priority 2 behind stopping third world migration.

    .

    They won’t because they don’t (want to do some good).

  45. @Old Palo Altan
    "ridiculor"?

    No, he wrote "ridicule". Whatever else he is, he's not illiterate.

    One thing impressive about the Unz Review to me is how quickly the google archive picks up anything published here. A comment with a novel phrase, “good humored ridiculor of religions,” gets a google-hit a few hours after that comment’s publication. This process can sometimes be impressively quick.

    Meanwhile, the big comment-sponges of the Internet today, Youtube comments and Twitter, maybe Reddit, or the big comment systems like Disqus, are both much more ephemeral (comments often disappear for one reason or another) and have much less sticking power, googleability; often invisible. Hit or miss.

    Also,

    Why doesn’t the word “ridiculor” exist?

    Crossword puzzle hints for “one who ridicules“:
    MOCKER One who ridicules
    SATIRIST One who ridicules It Girl in Times
    SCOFFER One ridicules small chest

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    Sinister don't you think?

    They are watching us very closely.


    As for "ridiculor". It does exist when spelled properly: ridiculer. I can't help thinking though that it is an artificial construction, "mocker" and "scoffer" being very much more naturally and commonly used.
    , @Desiderius
    It does now.

    You’re among neologists.
  46. Richard Dawkins Wonders: Is There Life After Cancellation?

    H eought to know. It’s been 40 years since some sort of cancellation trauma afflicted him after The Extended Phenotype.

  47. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/1229079856362610688
    https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/1229085519163707392
    https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/1229087321712021505

    https://www.artistshot.com/assets/images/admin/product_design/2008258/devo-duty-now-for-the-future-baby-bibs.jpg

    Our diversity is our survival.

    What is the corollary?

    Non-Diversity is ____.

    What is the political extension of the corollary?

  48. There are very real kinds of eugenics going on right now. As noted above, genetic counselling in certain Hassid populations to steer essentially arranged marriages away from each other if both are carriers for Tay-Sachs and similar genetic counselling among groups with high burdens from inbreeding and whose arranged marriages make it emotionally easy to axe a marriage because of carrier status of both partners, such as gulf Arabs. It has massively reduced the incidence of Tay Sachs in some communities.

    In broader populations, there is the dating website company partly funded by George Church which will allow people with serious rare diseases to try and avoid other partners who are also carriers.

    All of these also have secondary consequences that may be undesirable but all of them are done or intended to be done at a scale that will have a ‘eugenic’ effect.

  49. Not surprised. Dawkins is a shallow propagandist for a shallow version of atheism. All St. Darwin-influenced thinkers are, when it comes to the pinch – opportunists & conformists. This world-view somehow sustains & breeds defeatism.

    Only world-views that possess, however muddled, something “higher” (whether religious or faux-religious like various ideologies) can plant a seed of individualism, stubborn character & dissent.

  50. OT: Mike Bloomberg casually insults both farmers and machinists:

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Generally you have to grow up on a farm to be a farmer. How a man smart enough to make all that money could make such a statement is beyond me, except that maybe it's just his ego talking.
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    I bet Bloomie thinks they grow food in the package right there in the Manhattan bodegas.

    They should drop Bloomie on an island for a year and see how he does growing his own food.

    Modern farming is one of the most technologically diverse professions there is.
    , @Mr McKenna
    That ain't all he said.

    While promoting a $127 million, three-year initiative to help minorities in the workplace in 2011, then-New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg declared that there's "this enormous cohort of black and Latino males" who "don't know how to behave in the workplace" and "don't have any prospects."

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bloomberg-says-many-black-and-latino-males-dont-know-how-to-behave-in-the-workplace
     

    Three reasons Bloomberg is immune to cancellation: 1) Democrat 2) Jewish 3) Billionaire. Three hundred reasons he may get cancelled anyway: Endless supply of 'Truth Bombs' from his past.

    This is so much fun to watch. Couldn't happen to a better guy.

    , @J.Ross
    The one stereotype I was not expecting to see Mike Bloomberg perfectly fill was Bolshevism ("How hard could farming possibly be?").
    , @anon
    Bloomberg's a very smart fellow, he must be correct.
    The only thing anyone needs to farm successfully is some green acres.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iHl4eY7jig
    , @nebulafox
    So four more years of President Trump it is, then, eh Democrats?

    I get it: he has money and the gushing of just about everything "mainstream" in American politics. Which is exactly why he'll be radioactive among average voters. Especially if Sanders is shanked again. Talk about giving Trump his attack lines...

    , @moshe
    Are you some sort of sjw?

    I have no idea what the context or intention of this talk is but claiming that he's insulting anybody when he makes a claim that it's easier to teach people to work on a farm than at google is a claim, not an insult. If you think that's incorrect then say so. But to call this an insult is incredibly partisan and is indicative of political intent on your part.
  51. @Hail
    One thing impressive about the Unz Review to me is how quickly the google archive picks up anything published here. A comment with a novel phrase, “good humored ridiculor of religions,” gets a google-hit a few hours after that comment's publication. This process can sometimes be impressively quick.

    Meanwhile, the big comment-sponges of the Internet today, Youtube comments and Twitter, maybe Reddit, or the big comment systems like Disqus, are both much more ephemeral (comments often disappear for one reason or another) and have much less sticking power, googleability; often invisible. Hit or miss.

    Also,

    Why doesn't the word "ridiculor" exist?

    Crossword puzzle hints for "one who ridicules":
    MOCKER One who ridicules
    SATIRIST One who ridicules It Girl in Times
    SCOFFER One ridicules small chest

    Sinister don’t you think?

    They are watching us very closely.

    As for “ridiculor”. It does exist when spelled properly: ridiculer. I can’t help thinking though that it is an artificial construction, “mocker” and “scoffer” being very much more naturally and commonly used.

    • Replies: @Hail
    Ngram for ridiculer, scoffer, and mocker:

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=ridiculer%2Cscoffer%2Cmocker&year_start=1900&year_end=2009&corpus=17&smoothing=1&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cridiculer%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cscoffer%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cmocker%3B%2Cc0#t1%3B%2Cridiculer%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cscoffer%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cmocker%3B%2Cc0

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ_zIC3WsAUABbH.png

    _______

    Big NGRAM News:

    They have released a set of "2012" corpuses (I choose to not Latinize this Latin word), which extends the data to 2009. The previous limit was 2006; the old corpuses (to 2006) are now labeled "2009."

    "Ridiculer" has always been marginal at best. Ngram AmE-2012 thinks "scoffer" and "mocker" have significant upswings that begin in the mid-2000s. This seems right, at least poetically if not actually. (I still think Ngram data for years after 2000 should be viewed more skeptically than historical data because the data discontinuity of the rise of the Internet.)

    And because I am sure all reading this are wondering, here is the new ngram for "Steve Sailer," in the new AmE-2012 corpus:

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Steve+Sailer&year_start=1989&year_end=2009&corpus=17&smoothing=0&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CSteve%20Sailer%3B%2Cc0

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ_zIC2XsAIVn9b.png

    If this is to be believed, 1999 was the year of the Sailer Breakthrough.
    , @San Fernando Curt
    I prefer Ridiculor. Were he still alive, Vincent Price would play the most feared High Ridiculor.
    , @Desiderius
    Ridiculor is perfect for denoting a scoffer/mocker who is himself ridiculous and made more so thereby.

    Pronounced in a manner akin to Skeletor.
  52. @syonredux
    It's a step down from Lalla Ward....


    https://georgesjournal.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/lalla_ward_dressed_in_the_doctors_togs_destiny_of_the_daleks.jpg

    http://thechristiangeek.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Romana.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2b/e7/f9/2be7f9003483824cb21a5c74aa377230--movie-stars-lalla-ward.jpg

    http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4100000/Romana-pics-romana-ii-4104921-1024-768.jpg

    The Honourable Lalla Ward!

  53. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1229245955200798725

    Steve Sailer Retweeted:
    https://twitter.com/DorYeshorimNY/status/923201408085700608

    https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/1229053031842340864

    “Eliminating disease and susceptibility to pandemics in a way that is linked to HITLER by approximately six degrees of logical inference is bad because it makes you susceptible to disease and pandemics.”

    Thank you Gu!

  54. @syonredux
    Adam Rutherford is reminded to check his White privilege.....

    Adam, you know I respect you and there's much love here for you as an ally, but it's important to credit the work of others in our own - especially scholars of colour in a book on race. You include Robert Plomin in your acknowledgements, so surely there was space for Subhadra?
     
    https://twitter.com/AngelaDSaini/status/1229328769976012801

    Who the hell is “Subhadra”?

    Adam, you know I respect you and there’s much love here for you AS AN ALLY, but it’s important to credit the work of others IN OUR OWN

    Holly shit, she just so full of herself.

  55. @Old Palo Altan
    Sinister don't you think?

    They are watching us very closely.


    As for "ridiculor". It does exist when spelled properly: ridiculer. I can't help thinking though that it is an artificial construction, "mocker" and "scoffer" being very much more naturally and commonly used.

    Ngram for ridiculer, scoffer, and mocker:

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=ridiculer%2Cscoffer%2Cmocker&year_start=1900&year_end=2009&corpus=17&smoothing=1&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cridiculer%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cscoffer%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cmocker%3B%2Cc0#t1%3B%2Cridiculer%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cscoffer%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cmocker%3B%2Cc0

    _______

    Big NGRAM News:

    They have released a set of “2012” corpuses (I choose to not Latinize this Latin word), which extends the data to 2009. The previous limit was 2006; the old corpuses (to 2006) are now labeled “2009.”

    “Ridiculer” has always been marginal at best. Ngram AmE-2012 thinks “scoffer” and “mocker” have significant upswings that begin in the mid-2000s. This seems right, at least poetically if not actually. (I still think Ngram data for years after 2000 should be viewed more skeptically than historical data because the data discontinuity of the rise of the Internet.)

    And because I am sure all reading this are wondering, here is the new ngram for “Steve Sailer,” in the new AmE-2012 corpus:

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Steve+Sailer&year_start=1989&year_end=2009&corpus=17&smoothing=0&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CSteve%20Sailer%3B%2Cc0

    If this is to be believed, 1999 was the year of the Sailer Breakthrough.

    • Replies: @res
    Those ngram values look small enough that I suspect 1990 was a single mention. Would probably need to look at the context a little more to see what they were. Not to mention that books tend to lag other media.

    I was surprised to see that Google searches for Steve have been roughly flat over time (starting 2004).
    https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=steve%20sailer
  56. Dawkins could have done some good if he had told these anti eugenics people that they believe in eugenics programs as long as they aren’t called eugenics programs.

    -Encouraging low fertility among your own population while allowing populations with high fertility to mass migrate into your country is selecting for populations with high fertility rates.

    -free healthcare for people who make poor lifestyle choices selects for people who make poor lifestyle choices.

    – subsidising single mothers who have children they can’t afford is selecting for people who are irresponsible.

    Eugenics isn’t just sterilizing undesirables it’s anything that increases the occurrence of desirable human traits so these eugenics programs would be more accurately described as dysgenic, at least by me, but the people who designed the programs might think differently.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @dfordoom

    Encouraging low fertility among your own population
     
    No-one is actually doing that. People are simply choosing not to have children. It's not a conspiracy. It's just collective selfishness.

    You want to know why people choose not to have children? Because they can. Modern contraceptives allow people to do that. Modern contraceptives have made sex a recreational activity. You might deplore this but that's the way it is.

    Nobody forces people to use contraceptives. They choose to do so. People in advanced western and westernised nations just don't particularly want to have children. If they don't have to, they don't.

    Not everything is a conspiracy.
  57. Dawkins and his assinine ‘the universe came in an explosion from nothing’ would be selected as one of the first to be purged and snipped.

  58. OT. Since no one here reads Commentary I just want to point out a very interesting essay on novelist Michel Houellebecq by Christopher Caldwell https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/houellebecq-on-the-modern-age/

    • Thanks: black sea
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    From the article:


    The 62-year-old Houellebecq (pronounced Wellabeck) is an eccentric. He makes passes at female journalists sent to interview him. He co-stars in curmudgeonly films with Gérard Depardieu. He directs pornographic films of his own. For a quarter century, he has been hailed in country after European country as a prophet, and just as widely dismissed as a charlatan. In this he resembles the Norwegian Karl Ove Knausgaard, one of only a handful of living novelists who can claim a similar Europe-wide resonance: Many of those who read him don’t “get” him.
     
    That's a lot of words to say, "Houellebecq may be even cooler than Hunter S. Thompson."
  59. It’s interesting that Holocaust Gu doesn’t understand the meaning of the word “eugenics” given what his old name was.

  60. @Old Palo Altan
    Steve: Google "Andrew Sabisky".

    But be quick about it: he'll be gone by sundown, unless Boris Johnson has more guts than I've up till now given him credit for.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    I was off by two hours and a bit - gone as of 7:40 pm GMT.

    A pity but not a surprise.

  61. @syonredux
    Adam Rutherford is reminded to check his White privilege.....

    Adam, you know I respect you and there's much love here for you as an ally, but it's important to credit the work of others in our own - especially scholars of colour in a book on race. You include Robert Plomin in your acknowledgements, so surely there was space for Subhadra?
     
    https://twitter.com/AngelaDSaini/status/1229328769976012801
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Their whole understanding of "science" is Argument from Authority, thus, Saini's smirking about a person being on one team or another, instead of being right. If Saini wasn't an AfA globohomo cultist perhaps she would be curious (or skeptical) as to the speed with which Dawkins obtained, digested, and considered her book (not that he can't rent a Bezos copy or has many pressing engagements).
    , @PennTothal
    Angela and Richard need to get a room.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Angela Saini
    Well, I didn't expect this. You asked Dawkins to read my book and he went and did just that.
     
    Hahaha it worked! Richard you sly dog, you. ;)

    As God’s not your witness, you gotta close the deal. Love Connection will be happy to pay for the date if you both come back on Twitter and tell us how it went.

  62. @Hail
    Ngram for ridiculer, scoffer, and mocker:

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=ridiculer%2Cscoffer%2Cmocker&year_start=1900&year_end=2009&corpus=17&smoothing=1&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cridiculer%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cscoffer%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cmocker%3B%2Cc0#t1%3B%2Cridiculer%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cscoffer%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cmocker%3B%2Cc0

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ_zIC3WsAUABbH.png

    _______

    Big NGRAM News:

    They have released a set of "2012" corpuses (I choose to not Latinize this Latin word), which extends the data to 2009. The previous limit was 2006; the old corpuses (to 2006) are now labeled "2009."

    "Ridiculer" has always been marginal at best. Ngram AmE-2012 thinks "scoffer" and "mocker" have significant upswings that begin in the mid-2000s. This seems right, at least poetically if not actually. (I still think Ngram data for years after 2000 should be viewed more skeptically than historical data because the data discontinuity of the rise of the Internet.)

    And because I am sure all reading this are wondering, here is the new ngram for "Steve Sailer," in the new AmE-2012 corpus:

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Steve+Sailer&year_start=1989&year_end=2009&corpus=17&smoothing=0&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CSteve%20Sailer%3B%2Cc0

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ_zIC2XsAIVn9b.png

    If this is to be believed, 1999 was the year of the Sailer Breakthrough.

    Those ngram values look small enough that I suspect 1990 was a single mention. Would probably need to look at the context a little more to see what they were. Not to mention that books tend to lag other media.

    I was surprised to see that Google searches for Steve have been roughly flat over time (starting 2004).
    https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=steve%20sailer

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Would a curious newcomer search for Steve or go straight to his outlets? (Also, would Google tell the truth?)
    , @Hail
    FWIW:

    Ron Unz
    vs.
    Steve Sailer
    vs.
    John Derbyshire

    in an Unz Review Ngram AmE-2012-corpus faceoff:

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Ron+Unz%2CSteve+Sailer%2CJohn+Derbyshire&year_start=1989&year_end=2009&corpus=17&smoothing=0&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CRon%20Unz%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CSteve%20Sailer%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CJohn%20Derbyshire%3B%2Cc0#t1%3B%2CRon%20Unz%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CSteve%20Sailer%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CJohn%20Derbyshire%3B%2Cc0

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ__jafWsAAVwmt.png

    Ngram thinks the following scores represent relative magnitude of appearances in published material as of 2002 (smoothing=0):

    Ron Unz: 138
    Steve Sailer: 20
    The Derb: 24

    Ron Unz @ 6-7x Sailer or Derbyshire individually; but then Ngram thinks there was convergence in published-material mentions by 2007, continuing to 2009, where the current corpus ends. Not definite evidence of anything, as Ngram is not perfect, but still interesting enough and worth comparing with other independent data or informed people's impressions.

    Is the peak of 7x plausible? Is the late-2000s converegence plausible? I don't know. I do know that as of the early 2010s, Ron had enough cachet to scoop up an invitation to the Intelligence Squared debate (2013;arguing against Open Borders), while Derbyshire had been purged from National Review in 2012 for racism and the Sailer Ban on Fox News remained in place.
    , @moshe
    I don't know what the star next to this dude's name means. Steve, if it's from you for some reason please let us know what it means. If it's the dude giving himself a gold star please let him know that it's obnoxious marketing and may work well at his day job selling expensive widgets to poor midgets but has no place in a comment thread.

    I wish Steve announced and implemented a comment regime like SSC has. Those of us who have something worth saying would say it more clearly and intelligently than we presently do after our first 2 week suspension and those without anything to say that is at least ⅔'s of Kind, True, Necessary would cease reading a comment thread that rhey coukd not understand.
  63. Anglos are total cucks to respectability. What a sniveling coward. No wonder they are such worthless cucks to Jews.

    But is Murray really any better? He sucks most to Jews, the people who do most to slap him around.

    He even caved to ‘gay marriage’ because it became so ‘respectable’ among elites.

    • Replies: @moshe
    please chose a handle so i can block you
  64. Anonymous[383] • Disclaimer says:

    Isn’t the diversity thing a kind of eugenics?

    Global media say mixed-raced people are SUPERIOR in intelligence and beauty to non-mixed… which is why Mexicans are tops in IQ and attractiveness.

    Also, all this jungle fever business is on the basis that white race will be improved by black genes that are more vibrant and virile.

  65. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/AngelaDSaini/status/1229442601952141312

    Their whole understanding of “science” is Argument from Authority, thus, Saini’s smirking about a person being on one team or another, instead of being right. If Saini wasn’t an AfA globohomo cultist perhaps she would be curious (or skeptical) as to the speed with which Dawkins obtained, digested, and considered her book (not that he can’t rent a Bezos copy or has many pressing engagements).

    • Agree: ben tillman
  66. @res
    Those ngram values look small enough that I suspect 1990 was a single mention. Would probably need to look at the context a little more to see what they were. Not to mention that books tend to lag other media.

    I was surprised to see that Google searches for Steve have been roughly flat over time (starting 2004).
    https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=steve%20sailer

    Would a curious newcomer search for Steve or go straight to his outlets? (Also, would Google tell the truth?)

  67. @res
    Those ngram values look small enough that I suspect 1990 was a single mention. Would probably need to look at the context a little more to see what they were. Not to mention that books tend to lag other media.

    I was surprised to see that Google searches for Steve have been roughly flat over time (starting 2004).
    https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=steve%20sailer

    FWIW:

    Ron Unz
    vs.
    Steve Sailer
    vs.
    John Derbyshire

    in an Unz Review Ngram AmE-2012-corpus faceoff:

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Ron+Unz%2CSteve+Sailer%2CJohn+Derbyshire&year_start=1989&year_end=2009&corpus=17&smoothing=0&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CRon%20Unz%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CSteve%20Sailer%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CJohn%20Derbyshire%3B%2Cc0#t1%3B%2CRon%20Unz%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CSteve%20Sailer%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CJohn%20Derbyshire%3B%2Cc0

    Ngram thinks the following scores represent relative magnitude of appearances in published material as of 2002 (smoothing=0):

    Ron Unz: 138
    Steve Sailer: 20
    The Derb: 24

    Ron Unz @ 6-7x Sailer or Derbyshire individually; but then Ngram thinks there was convergence in published-material mentions by 2007, continuing to 2009, where the current corpus ends. Not definite evidence of anything, as Ngram is not perfect, but still interesting enough and worth comparing with other independent data or informed people’s impressions.

    Is the peak of 7x plausible? Is the late-2000s converegence plausible? I don’t know. I do know that as of the early 2010s, Ron had enough cachet to scoop up an invitation to the Intelligence Squared debate (2013;arguing against Open Borders), while Derbyshire had been purged from National Review in 2012 for racism and the Sailer Ban on Fox News remained in place.

    • Replies: @snorlax

    Is the peak of 7x plausible?
     
    Yes, Unz was in the news because of his championing of English-language education ballot initiatives.
  68. Insanely off-topic,

    Razib on Northern Eurasian gene flow:

    One of the things you notice when you look at genome-wide data are peculiar populations that seem to be shifted on PCA and other metrics in relation to exotic genetic affinities. For example, Sardinians, Japanese, and Taiwanese aborigines exhibit this pattern. When looking at Han Chinese data, many of the southern samples seem a bit further shifted away from West Eurasians than all the northern Chinese. That is, almost all northern Chinese seem to have low levels of West Eurasian affinity. Some of the southern Chinese do not.

    When you look at West Eurasian data, you see evidence of East Eurasian gene flow into parts of Eastern Europe. Among Lithuanians, it seems to be there. It’s old and well-mixed, so it doesn’t jump out at you. But it’s there. Even more striking is that many of the Muslim populations in the Near East seem to have some proportion of East Asian ancestry because of the Turkic expansions.

    West Eurasians and East Eurasians still remain genetically distinct. But evidence from Japanese and Sardinians gives a clear indication that within the last few thousand years have substantial reciprocal gene flows.

    https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2020/02/16/eurasia-became-a-melting-pot-during-the-holocene/

  69. @syonredux
    It's a step down from Lalla Ward....


    https://georgesjournal.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/lalla_ward_dressed_in_the_doctors_togs_destiny_of_the_daleks.jpg

    http://thechristiangeek.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Romana.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2b/e7/f9/2be7f9003483824cb21a5c74aa377230--movie-stars-lalla-ward.jpg

    http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4100000/Romana-pics-romana-ii-4104921-1024-768.jpg

    But how could such an egoist tolerate a superior Time Lady as a partner? Even the Fourth Doctor couldn’t keep her around for too long.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Dawkins and Lalla had a decent run:

    In 1992, at his 40th birthday party, Adams introduced her to his friend Richard Dawkins (biologist and author of books including The Selfish Gene, The Blind Watchmaker and The God Delusion).[5][20] Ward and Dawkins married later that year. In 2016, in a joint statement, the couple announced their amicable separation after 24 years of marriage.[21]
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOQRIrPvwpA


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JTVtOtKefU
  70. @Desiderius
    Dawkins can signal all he likes.

    Cowardice isn't a virtue. He's just dumping chum in the waters.

    His idol Bertrand Russell (Why I Am Not a Christian) was equally gutless.

    “In extreme cases, there can be little doubt of the superiority of one race to another. North America, Australia and New Zealand certainly contribute more to the civilisation of the world than they would do if they were still peopled by aborigines. It seems on the whole fair to regard Negroes as on the average inferior to white men, although for work in the tropics they are indispensable, so that their extermination (apart from the question of humanity) would be highly undesirable.” – Marriage and Morals, 1929.

    “I never held Negroes to be inherently inferior. The statement in Marriage and Morals refers to environmental conditioning. I have had it withdrawn from subsequent editions because it is clearly ambiguous.” – letter, March 17, 1964.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    His idol Bertrand Russell (Why I Am Not a Christian) was equally gutless.
     
    Russell understood marriage. He said if it weren't for the phenomenon of pregnancy, there would be no reason for a society to institute it at all.

    Anthony Kennedy didn't get the message.

    Bertrand Russell, right-wing kook:


    “If children learn of sex as a relation between their parents to which they owe their own existence, they learn of it in its best form and in connection with its biological purpose.”

    “Both men and women who have children as a rule regulate their lives largely with reference to them, and children cause perfectly ordinary men and women to act unselfishly in certain ways, of which perhaps life insurance is the most definite and measurable.”

    “Perhaps the greatest importance of the family, in these days of contraceptives, is that it preserves the habit of having children.”
     

  71. @Hail
    FWIW:

    Ron Unz
    vs.
    Steve Sailer
    vs.
    John Derbyshire

    in an Unz Review Ngram AmE-2012-corpus faceoff:

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Ron+Unz%2CSteve+Sailer%2CJohn+Derbyshire&year_start=1989&year_end=2009&corpus=17&smoothing=0&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CRon%20Unz%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CSteve%20Sailer%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CJohn%20Derbyshire%3B%2Cc0#t1%3B%2CRon%20Unz%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CSteve%20Sailer%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CJohn%20Derbyshire%3B%2Cc0

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ__jafWsAAVwmt.png

    Ngram thinks the following scores represent relative magnitude of appearances in published material as of 2002 (smoothing=0):

    Ron Unz: 138
    Steve Sailer: 20
    The Derb: 24

    Ron Unz @ 6-7x Sailer or Derbyshire individually; but then Ngram thinks there was convergence in published-material mentions by 2007, continuing to 2009, where the current corpus ends. Not definite evidence of anything, as Ngram is not perfect, but still interesting enough and worth comparing with other independent data or informed people's impressions.

    Is the peak of 7x plausible? Is the late-2000s converegence plausible? I don't know. I do know that as of the early 2010s, Ron had enough cachet to scoop up an invitation to the Intelligence Squared debate (2013;arguing against Open Borders), while Derbyshire had been purged from National Review in 2012 for racism and the Sailer Ban on Fox News remained in place.

    Is the peak of 7x plausible?

    Yes, Unz was in the news because of his championing of English-language education ballot initiatives.

    • Replies: @Hail
    Agreed, though that was in the 1990s.

    From the Unz Review masthead:

    Who is Ron Unz?
    I’m a theoretical physicist by training [....]

    Major Media Profiles

    This Man Controls California
    The New Republic, Monday, July 19, 1999, COVER STORY

    The California Entrepreneur who Beat Bilingual Teaching
    The New York Times, Sunday, June 14, 1998, FRONT PAGE

    Hooked on Politics
    The Los Angeles Times, Thursday, July 16, 1998

    Ron Unz, swim instructor
    The Economist, Saturday, May 2, 1998
     
    July 1999:

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/TNR-Unz.jpg

    Ngram AmE-2012 scores for 1999 at smoothing=0:

    Unz: 51
    Sailer: 34
    Derb: 14

    Ngram AmE-2012 scores for 1999 at smoothing=1:

    Unz: 62
    Sailer: 18
    Derb: 12

    There is certainly some lag in Ngram data, as Res mentions above.

    Derbyshire's Ngram score would rise solidly during his peak years at National Review, which seems about right.
  72. @Hail
    One thing impressive about the Unz Review to me is how quickly the google archive picks up anything published here. A comment with a novel phrase, “good humored ridiculor of religions,” gets a google-hit a few hours after that comment's publication. This process can sometimes be impressively quick.

    Meanwhile, the big comment-sponges of the Internet today, Youtube comments and Twitter, maybe Reddit, or the big comment systems like Disqus, are both much more ephemeral (comments often disappear for one reason or another) and have much less sticking power, googleability; often invisible. Hit or miss.

    Also,

    Why doesn't the word "ridiculor" exist?

    Crossword puzzle hints for "one who ridicules":
    MOCKER One who ridicules
    SATIRIST One who ridicules It Girl in Times
    SCOFFER One ridicules small chest

    It does now.

    You’re among neologists.

  73. @Old Palo Altan
    Sinister don't you think?

    They are watching us very closely.


    As for "ridiculor". It does exist when spelled properly: ridiculer. I can't help thinking though that it is an artificial construction, "mocker" and "scoffer" being very much more naturally and commonly used.

    I prefer Ridiculor. Were he still alive, Vincent Price would play the most feared High Ridiculor.

    • Replies: @Hail
    "Ridiculor," if under the pronunciation ri-DIC-u-lor, sounds to me like an extra-terrestrial sci-fi-comedy character.
  74. @snorlax

    Is the peak of 7x plausible?
     
    Yes, Unz was in the news because of his championing of English-language education ballot initiatives.

    Agreed, though that was in the 1990s.

    From the Unz Review masthead:

    Who is Ron Unz?
    I’m a theoretical physicist by training [….]

    Major Media Profiles

    This Man Controls California
    The New Republic, Monday, July 19, 1999, COVER STORY

    The California Entrepreneur who Beat Bilingual Teaching
    The New York Times, Sunday, June 14, 1998, FRONT PAGE

    Hooked on Politics
    The Los Angeles Times, Thursday, July 16, 1998

    Ron Unz, swim instructor
    The Economist, Saturday, May 2, 1998

    July 1999:

    Ngram AmE-2012 scores for 1999 at smoothing=0:

    Unz: 51
    Sailer: 34
    Derb: 14

    Ngram AmE-2012 scores for 1999 at smoothing=1:

    Unz: 62
    Sailer: 18
    Derb: 12

    There is certainly some lag in Ngram data, as Res mentions above.

    Derbyshire’s Ngram score would rise solidly during his peak years at National Review, which seems about right.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    https://ballotpedia.org/Arizona_English_Language_Education_for_Children_in_Public_Schools,_Proposition_203_(2000)

    https://ballotpedia.org/Colorado_English_Language_Education,_Initiative_31_(2002) (failed)

    https://ballotpedia.org/Massachusetts_English_in_Public_Schools_Initiative,_Question_2_(2002)

    https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Public_School_English_Immersion,_Measure_58_(2008) (failed)
  75. Life after cancellation: farming.

    Any idiot can be a farmer, as Bloomberg tells us.

  76. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1229429252795269121

    I was off by two hours and a bit – gone as of 7:40 pm GMT.

    A pity but not a surprise.

  77. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1229362927515381762

    Yo Dawkins, I hope she sees it, bro.

    ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

    https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,fl_progressive,g_center,h_675,pg_1,q_80,w_1200/qkgwdgotgqkjvoppwwxz.jpg

    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2012/02/16/86279449-dawkins-antwerp_custom-baa1c0bed418b965c93befab11158a8caed0b270-s300-c85.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Angela_Saini_photo.jpeg/600px-Angela_Saini_photo.jpeg

  78. @Barnard
    His Twitter bio says "good humored ridiculor of religions." Not of the one that is most powerful today.

    Dawkins is from an older generation of liberals, who grew up in the pre-PC era. A lot of these individuals take pride in being irreverent. They’re full of endless cynicism towards everything in life, and get a thrill out of mockery.

    As constraints on speech have tightened in recent years, older liberals have tried their best to internalize the new orthodoxy. However, after a certain age, it’s sometimes difficult to learn something new, especially if you don’t fully believe in it.

    So there’s a tendency for older liberals to sometimes commit a “faux pas” and say what they really think.

    In contrast, younger liberals grew up in a highly PC society. So they’ve truly internalized it all. Younger liberals also come from a generation that’s not much into mockery or ridicule. They’re Generation “Safe Space” and seek to avoid anything confrontational.

    Bill Maher is a good example of an older liberal who tries to conform to PC, but chafes at it too.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Younger liberals are spared the danger of saying what they really think by the simple expedient of not really thinking.
  79. @Nodwink
    Here's a hypothetical: What would have happened if eugenicists had succeeded in eliminating (or dramatically reducing the number of) autistic "psychopaths" from the human race?

    There are lots of people working in Silicon Valley who are somewhere on the spectrum (most would be high-functioning or have mildly autistic traits). Would this have had a detrimental effect on the tech revolution?

    This is the problem. You just don't know what kind of people your society might need in fifty years' time.

    This is the problem. You just don’t know what kind of people your society might need in fifty years’ time.

    Sure. On the other hand, every animal and crop that is farmed today is only the form that it is because of eugenics.

  80. @Nodwink
    Here's a hypothetical: What would have happened if eugenicists had succeeded in eliminating (or dramatically reducing the number of) autistic "psychopaths" from the human race?

    There are lots of people working in Silicon Valley who are somewhere on the spectrum (most would be high-functioning or have mildly autistic traits). Would this have had a detrimental effect on the tech revolution?

    This is the problem. You just don't know what kind of people your society might need in fifty years' time.

    Spergy people on the autism spectrum are not hood spraying gang bangers, serial killers or retards that can’t wipe their own ass. No one needs the last three. Chlorinate them from the gene pool.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Interesting point bringing hood-spraying gangbangers together with the Specials: as in all things the Believers invert reality, viewing the Specials as potential "school shooters" because of media hype and lying about a phenomenon that almost does not happen (as well as aggressive and unapologetic media stereotyping), and gangbangers as misunderstood kids because their ghetto spraying is memory holed or apologized for.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cntvEDbagAw
  81. @San Fernando Curt
    I prefer Ridiculor. Were he still alive, Vincent Price would play the most feared High Ridiculor.

    “Ridiculor,” if under the pronunciation ri-DIC-u-lor, sounds to me like an extra-terrestrial sci-fi-comedy character.

  82. OT
    Yo and special for Steve and Talking Heads doing it special for LA
    Talking Heads – Life During Wartime LIVE Los Angeles ’83

    I lived in a college town that year and those two Talking Heads album could be heard everywhere as an ambient noise

  83. Anonymous[379] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    "Of course it would. It works for cows, horses, pigs, dogs & roses. Why on earth wouldn’t it work for humans? Facts ignore ideology."


    And yet across the board dogs for example,


    https://www.globalanimal.org/2016/04/13/10-reasons-mutts-rock/106535/


    https://www.answers.com/Q/Do_pure_bred_dogs_or_mixed_breed_mutts_make_better_pets


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCv10_WvGxo


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uua7RKUGZ2E

    There's a reason why we discourage in breeding. Now that is generally clear that biological traits can be bred. But it's a rigorous process of trial and error. Trying to make that work for cognition . . . is speculative because unlike biological markers -- there are no clear markers for cognition. And that is where the variables of environment/circumstance play a major role in shaping ends. ave in extreme cases. Of course it will wok should have included,

    "Once we know the markers that cause said desired coginitive goal. and the processes involved"

    and even with that the consequences across the genetic schema would also have to be known lest the unforseen consequence.

    Generally discouraging people under mid-90s IQ, people convicted of serious crimes that are making in se, and people with birth deformities from reproducing, hurts no one. It only does good.

    If a wealthy female with high IQ and good conformation ( birthworthy) is either going to be a single mother not drawing on the public trough or a barren doe, at least encourage her to pick say an astronaut, a Navy SEAL, a successful surgeon, et al for a sire, and not a bag of shit with a big dick and a small brain.

  84. @Joseph A.
    But how could such an egoist tolerate a superior Time Lady as a partner? Even the Fourth Doctor couldn't keep her around for too long.

    Dawkins and Lalla had a decent run:

    In 1992, at his 40th birthday party, Adams introduced her to his friend Richard Dawkins (biologist and author of books including The Selfish Gene, The Blind Watchmaker and The God Delusion).[5][20] Ward and Dawkins married later that year. In 2016, in a joint statement, the couple announced their amicable separation after 24 years of marriage.[21]

    • Replies: @Joseph A.
    Adams -- as in Douglas Adams? He wrote some serials for Doctor Who, including the "City of Death" -- a charming story set in Paris, featuring Ward cum Romana. Baker, Dawkins . . . she knows how to pick interesting fellows.
  85. @Mr. Anon
    Quite so. Dawkins has long been an arrogant critic of Christianity (that's really the only religion he picks on). And yet it wasn't Christians who sought to have him cancelled. It is the adherents of the new, woke "I f**king love science" kind of religion that want to make him an unperson.

    Those who allegedly expletive deleted love science for the most part don’t know real science if it hits them on the head.

  86. @Amerimutt Golems
    His idol Bertrand Russell (Why I Am Not a Christian) was equally gutless.

    "In extreme cases, there can be little doubt of the superiority of one race to another. North America, Australia and New Zealand certainly contribute more to the civilisation of the world than they would do if they were still peopled by aborigines. It seems on the whole fair to regard Negroes as on the average inferior to white men, although for work in the tropics they are indispensable, so that their extermination (apart from the question of humanity) would be highly undesirable." - Marriage and Morals, 1929.

    "I never held Negroes to be inherently inferior. The statement in Marriage and Morals refers to environmental conditioning. I have had it withdrawn from subsequent editions because it is clearly ambiguous." – letter, March 17, 1964.

    His idol Bertrand Russell (Why I Am Not a Christian) was equally gutless.

    Russell understood marriage. He said if it weren’t for the phenomenon of pregnancy, there would be no reason for a society to institute it at all.

    Anthony Kennedy didn’t get the message.

    Bertrand Russell, right-wing kook:

    “If children learn of sex as a relation between their parents to which they owe their own existence, they learn of it in its best form and in connection with its biological purpose.”

    “Both men and women who have children as a rule regulate their lives largely with reference to them, and children cause perfectly ordinary men and women to act unselfishly in certain ways, of which perhaps life insurance is the most definite and measurable.”

    “Perhaps the greatest importance of the family, in these days of contraceptives, is that it preserves the habit of having children.”

    • Agree: Desiderius
  87. @Mr. Anon
    OT: Mike Bloomberg casually insults both farmers and machinists:

    https://twitter.com/AnnaKellyWI/status/1229197979392847872

    Generally you have to grow up on a farm to be a farmer. How a man smart enough to make all that money could make such a statement is beyond me, except that maybe it’s just his ego talking.

    • Replies: @utu
    "...maybe it’s just his ego talking..." - The prejudice against farmers (peasants) is very Jewish.
    , @Smithsonian_6

    Generally you have to grow up on a farm to be a farmer.
     
    It always struck me as a uniquely difficult job to get into from scratch.
    , @Desiderius
    Making money takes more cunning than smarts. Cunning operates on a strictly need-to-know basis.
  88. @RichardTaylor
    He's like a nerd who will say anything to be accepted by the "cool kids".

    “He’s like a nerd who will say anything to be accepted by the “cool kids”.”

    It’s more that he once was THE cool kid, every lefty atheist loved his attacks on religion (this was before 9/11) , lots of magazine profiles of the best-selling intellectual iconoclast and his pretty, aristocratic film-star wife.

    Now, things have moved on, and what was accepted twenty or thirty years ago (e.g. that human eugenics could be effective) now means that you’re a Nazi. Compare with a cool kid from an earlier generation, Germaine Greer. Her view that women are people with ovaries, vaginas, breasts, XX chromosomes now marks her, not as a provocative, iconoclastic feminist but as an eccentric, embarrassing bag-lady.

    You don’t know what’s going on
    You’ve been away far too long
    You can’t come back
    And think you are still mine
    You’re obsolete my baby
    My poor old-fashioned baby
    I said baby baby baby, you’re out of time

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor

    It’s more that he once was THE cool kid, every lefty atheist loved his attacks on religion
     
    Yeah, truth in that. But it's interesting, I don't think they liked him that much in the 70s when he was talking selfish gene, etc. Then, as he attacked religion, they found him useful (but never accepted the actual science he had written about).

    Remember, feminists through ice water on EO Wilson back in the 70s as form of protest.
  89. Dawkins doesn’t seem all that bright.

    2017 was the high water mark for cancellation. Louis CK got cancelled (and he was far from blameless, unlike Dawkins, who merely repeated something that has been known by most literate people for more than a century). Then Louis CK came back in 2018 and hasn’t apologized since.

    Anyone who performs public penance after 2018 is clueless.

  90. They cancelled Gilligan’s Island, but look how long its cash flows lived on. Entertainment trumps science every time.

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Professor Dawkins!

  91. @Mr. Anon
    OT: Mike Bloomberg casually insults both farmers and machinists:

    https://twitter.com/AnnaKellyWI/status/1229197979392847872

    I bet Bloomie thinks they grow food in the package right there in the Manhattan bodegas.

    They should drop Bloomie on an island for a year and see how he does growing his own food.

    Modern farming is one of the most technologically diverse professions there is.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    The point to me isn't that it's technologically complex; it's that it's a business, and you're not just germinating a seed. You have to do it PROFITABLY.
  92. @Hibernian
    Generally you have to grow up on a farm to be a farmer. How a man smart enough to make all that money could make such a statement is beyond me, except that maybe it's just his ego talking.

    “…maybe it’s just his ego talking…” – The prejudice against farmers (peasants) is very Jewish.

    • Agree: Unladen Swallow
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZvT2r828QY
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    Prejudice against farmers? Never !

    "The bourgeoisie has subjected the country to the rule of the towns. It has created enormous cities, has greatly increased the urban population as compared with the rural, and has thus rescued a considerable part of the population from the idiocy of rural life."
     
    Marx, The Communist Manifesto, Ch 1
  93. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/AngelaDSaini/status/1229442601952141312

    Angela and Richard need to get a room.

    • Replies: @Pericles

    Angela and Richard need to get a room.

     

    Room 101.
  94. @SteveM
    For a history of Richard Dawkins transparent illogic see this lacerating review of his 2004 book "The Devil's Chaplain" by physicist Stephen Barr:

    https://www.firstthings.com/article/2004/08/001-the-devils-chaplain

    Barr writes from a Catholic Christian perspective, but his assessment of Dawkins' obviously defective reasoning would be wickedly accurate from any perspective except that of Dawkins' and his ilk.

    Dick isn’t very bright. He is useful, though, in that thinking he is bright is an excellent signal of conformist stupidity in the thinker.

    • Replies: @SteveM

    Dick isn’t very bright. He is useful, though, in that thinking he is bright is an excellent signal of conformist stupidity in the thinker.
     
    Agree, thanks.

    Note that a tweed sport coat and an OxBridge accent can take a bone fide Nitwit pretty far.
  95. @B36
    OT. Since no one here reads Commentary I just want to point out a very interesting essay on novelist Michel Houellebecq by Christopher Caldwell https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/houellebecq-on-the-modern-age/

    From the article:

    The 62-year-old Houellebecq (pronounced Wellabeck) is an eccentric. He makes passes at female journalists sent to interview him. He co-stars in curmudgeonly films with Gérard Depardieu. He directs pornographic films of his own. For a quarter century, he has been hailed in country after European country as a prophet, and just as widely dismissed as a charlatan. In this he resembles the Norwegian Karl Ove Knausgaard, one of only a handful of living novelists who can claim a similar Europe-wide resonance: Many of those who read him don’t “get” him.

    That’s a lot of words to say, “Houellebecq may be even cooler than Hunter S. Thompson.”

  96. Mr Dawkins’ genes aren’t very selfish, no matter what he writes. He’s a fine example of dysgenic reproduction.

    Three wives, exactly one child. And Juliet Dawkins is about 36, so I hope she’s sprogging happily and inviting Dad to the christenings and confirmations.

  97. @Hibernian
    Generally you have to grow up on a farm to be a farmer. How a man smart enough to make all that money could make such a statement is beyond me, except that maybe it's just his ego talking.

    Generally you have to grow up on a farm to be a farmer.

    It always struck me as a uniquely difficult job to get into from scratch.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    It always struck me as a uniquely difficult job to get into from scratch.
     
    For several reasons, yes.

    Even in the modern era with tractors, combine, planters, etc, it is a high sustained physical work occupation, in this day and age almost uniquely so. If you did not grow up doing this in your key formative years, no matter how buff you are, taking it up later will kill you. A lot of people get the urge to farm and jump in, buying acreage and equipment with money from a business deal or whatever, and they can work like a farmer for a while but then the body gives out. Joints, sinews, everything and you wind up like a retired football player. In the old days if you worked in a factory or the mill or whatever you worked like that, but those guys don't work like that anymore and if they did they'd still never make enough money to buy a profitable amount of decent acreage.

    That's the second problem, "buying your way in" to an economically profitable farm means a big chunk of cash. It gets bigger each year.

    And third, you don't have to be extremely high IQ to be a farmer but you do have to know a lot, much of which you only learn by farming, and if you get it wrong you starve. The real reason there are very few black farmers is that they could do the work but without someone telling them what to do and making them do it every day they always seem to manage to not do it. They'll butcher the dairy cows and eat like a king, eat the seed corn, then starve. Exceptions exist but that is what they are, exceptions. Blacks do not have the inner sense of needing to prepare for the future. They live in the immediate present and have little innate sense of history or anticipation of the future. If they are upset over something in the distant past it's because ((someone)) is always "reminding" them.
  98. @Mr. Anon
    OT: Mike Bloomberg casually insults both farmers and machinists:

    https://twitter.com/AnnaKellyWI/status/1229197979392847872

    That ain’t all he said.

    While promoting a $127 million, three-year initiative to help minorities in the workplace in 2011, then-New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg declared that there’s “this enormous cohort of black and Latino males” who “don’t know how to behave in the workplace” and “don’t have any prospects.”

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bloomberg-says-many-black-and-latino-males-dont-know-how-to-behave-in-the-workplace

    Three reasons Bloomberg is immune to cancellation: 1) Democrat 2) Jewish 3) Billionaire. Three hundred reasons he may get cancelled anyway: Endless supply of ‘Truth Bombs’ from his past.

    This is so much fun to watch. Couldn’t happen to a better guy.

    • Replies: @anon
    This is so much fun to watch. Couldn’t happen to a better guy.


    http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/George-Costanza-Eating-Popcorn.gif
  99. @Old Palo Altan
    Sinister don't you think?

    They are watching us very closely.


    As for "ridiculor". It does exist when spelled properly: ridiculer. I can't help thinking though that it is an artificial construction, "mocker" and "scoffer" being very much more naturally and commonly used.

    Ridiculor is perfect for denoting a scoffer/mocker who is himself ridiculous and made more so thereby.

    Pronounced in a manner akin to Skeletor.

  100. @Hibernian
    Generally you have to grow up on a farm to be a farmer. How a man smart enough to make all that money could make such a statement is beyond me, except that maybe it's just his ego talking.

    Making money takes more cunning than smarts. Cunning operates on a strictly need-to-know basis.

  101. @Mr. Anon
    OT: Mike Bloomberg casually insults both farmers and machinists:

    https://twitter.com/AnnaKellyWI/status/1229197979392847872

    The one stereotype I was not expecting to see Mike Bloomberg perfectly fill was Bolshevism (“How hard could farming possibly be?”).

  102. @JohnnyWalker123
    Dawkins is from an older generation of liberals, who grew up in the pre-PC era. A lot of these individuals take pride in being irreverent. They're full of endless cynicism towards everything in life, and get a thrill out of mockery.

    As constraints on speech have tightened in recent years, older liberals have tried their best to internalize the new orthodoxy. However, after a certain age, it's sometimes difficult to learn something new, especially if you don't fully believe in it.

    So there's a tendency for older liberals to sometimes commit a "faux pas" and say what they really think.

    In contrast, younger liberals grew up in a highly PC society. So they've truly internalized it all. Younger liberals also come from a generation that's not much into mockery or ridicule. They're Generation "Safe Space" and seek to avoid anything confrontational.

    Bill Maher is a good example of an older liberal who tries to conform to PC, but chafes at it too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvdLY1ugyCo

    Younger liberals are spared the danger of saying what they really think by the simple expedient of not really thinking.

  103. Ask not for whom the Woke moan…

  104. @Anonymous
    Spergy people on the autism spectrum are not hood spraying gang bangers, serial killers or retards that can’t wipe their own ass. No one needs the last three. Chlorinate them from the gene pool.

    Interesting point bringing hood-spraying gangbangers together with the Specials: as in all things the Believers invert reality, viewing the Specials as potential “school shooters” because of media hype and lying about a phenomenon that almost does not happen (as well as aggressive and unapologetic media stereotyping), and gangbangers as misunderstood kids because their ghetto spraying is memory holed or apologized for.

  105. @Hail
    Agreed, though that was in the 1990s.

    From the Unz Review masthead:

    Who is Ron Unz?
    I’m a theoretical physicist by training [....]

    Major Media Profiles

    This Man Controls California
    The New Republic, Monday, July 19, 1999, COVER STORY

    The California Entrepreneur who Beat Bilingual Teaching
    The New York Times, Sunday, June 14, 1998, FRONT PAGE

    Hooked on Politics
    The Los Angeles Times, Thursday, July 16, 1998

    Ron Unz, swim instructor
    The Economist, Saturday, May 2, 1998
     
    July 1999:

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/TNR-Unz.jpg

    Ngram AmE-2012 scores for 1999 at smoothing=0:

    Unz: 51
    Sailer: 34
    Derb: 14

    Ngram AmE-2012 scores for 1999 at smoothing=1:

    Unz: 62
    Sailer: 18
    Derb: 12

    There is certainly some lag in Ngram data, as Res mentions above.

    Derbyshire's Ngram score would rise solidly during his peak years at National Review, which seems about right.
  106. @Mr. Anon
    OT: Mike Bloomberg casually insults both farmers and machinists:

    https://twitter.com/AnnaKellyWI/status/1229197979392847872

    Bloomberg’s a very smart fellow, he must be correct.
    The only thing anyone needs to farm successfully is some green acres.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    What if Oliver had been played by Bob Newhart? Funnier or less funny?
  107. @Tono Bungay
    There is no need to hypothesize about eugenics. According to Wikipedia, "About 92% of pregnancies in Europe with a diagnosis of Down syndrome are terminated. As a result, there are almost no people with Down's in Iceland and Denmark, where screening is commonplace. In the United States, the termination rate after diagnosis is around 75%, but varies from 61% to 93% depending on the population surveyed."

    This must be the result of the new test that uses a sample of the mother’s blood. The old way (when my wife and I had children) was amniocentesis, which generally wasn’t performed unless the mother was over 35. The reasoning was that amnio itself had a 1 in 100 risk of inducing a spontaneous abortion, and so it didn’t make sense to have one unless the risk of birth defects was correspondingly high.

    The risk of having a Down syndrome child was 1 in 1,200 at age 25; most Down children were born to young mothers who had no reason to get an amnio. But now the new blood test reduces the risk to zero; that’s why the Danes can virtually eliminate Down syndrome.

    Thanks for posting; I couldn’t figure out how they could do it. I had no idea there was a new test.

  108. @Mr McKenna
    That ain't all he said.

    While promoting a $127 million, three-year initiative to help minorities in the workplace in 2011, then-New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg declared that there's "this enormous cohort of black and Latino males" who "don't know how to behave in the workplace" and "don't have any prospects."

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bloomberg-says-many-black-and-latino-males-dont-know-how-to-behave-in-the-workplace
     

    Three reasons Bloomberg is immune to cancellation: 1) Democrat 2) Jewish 3) Billionaire. Three hundred reasons he may get cancelled anyway: Endless supply of 'Truth Bombs' from his past.

    This is so much fun to watch. Couldn't happen to a better guy.

    This is so much fun to watch. Couldn’t happen to a better guy.

  109. @PennTothal
    Angela and Richard need to get a room.

    Angela and Richard need to get a room.

    Room 101.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    Savage.
  110. @Mr. Anon
    OT: Mike Bloomberg casually insults both farmers and machinists:

    https://twitter.com/AnnaKellyWI/status/1229197979392847872

    So four more years of President Trump it is, then, eh Democrats?

    I get it: he has money and the gushing of just about everything “mainstream” in American politics. Which is exactly why he’ll be radioactive among average voters. Especially if Sanders is shanked again. Talk about giving Trump his attack lines…

  111. @YetAnotherAnon
    "He’s like a nerd who will say anything to be accepted by the “cool kids”."

    It's more that he once was THE cool kid, every lefty atheist loved his attacks on religion (this was before 9/11) , lots of magazine profiles of the best-selling intellectual iconoclast and his pretty, aristocratic film-star wife.

    Now, things have moved on, and what was accepted twenty or thirty years ago (e.g. that human eugenics could be effective) now means that you're a Nazi. Compare with a cool kid from an earlier generation, Germaine Greer. Her view that women are people with ovaries, vaginas, breasts, XX chromosomes now marks her, not as a provocative, iconoclastic feminist but as an eccentric, embarrassing bag-lady.

    You don't know what's going on
    You've been away far too long
    You can't come back
    And think you are still mine
    You're obsolete my baby
    My poor old-fashioned baby
    I said baby baby baby, you're out of time
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfyabMQ1cLQ

    It’s more that he once was THE cool kid, every lefty atheist loved his attacks on religion

    Yeah, truth in that. But it’s interesting, I don’t think they liked him that much in the 70s when he was talking selfish gene, etc. Then, as he attacked religion, they found him useful (but never accepted the actual science he had written about).

    Remember, feminists through ice water on EO Wilson back in the 70s as form of protest.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yes, this has been forgotten. Dawkins was a figure of hate for leftists in the 1980s, when a simplistic reading of his books was used to justify Thatcherism.
  112. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/AngelaDSaini/status/1229442601952141312

    Angela Saini
    Well, I didn’t expect this. You asked Dawkins to read my book and he went and did just that.

    Hahaha it worked! Richard you sly dog, you. 😉

    As God’s not your witness, you gotta close the deal. Love Connection will be happy to pay for the date if you both come back on Twitter and tell us how it went.

  113. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon
    Quite so. Dawkins has long been an arrogant critic of Christianity (that's really the only religion he picks on). And yet it wasn't Christians who sought to have him cancelled. It is the adherents of the new, woke "I f**king love science" kind of religion that want to make him an unperson.

    Dawkins has long been an arrogant critic of Christianity (that’s really the only religion he picks on).

    Other religions are not as safe to criticize. Islam gets you killed. Judaism gets you depersoned. And no white people takes Hinduism seriously enough to bother, which along with Jews are all that matter to him despite his protestations.

  114. @Dumbo
    Good riddance. I always found Dawkins extremely annoying. As militant atheists go, only Peter Singer and that P. J. Myers dude are more insufferable.

    Is ole PJ still a thing. Haha Haha. I think it was Vox Day who used to play Trump to his Jen Rubin.

  115. @Bill
    Dick isn't very bright. He is useful, though, in that thinking he is bright is an excellent signal of conformist stupidity in the thinker.

    Dick isn’t very bright. He is useful, though, in that thinking he is bright is an excellent signal of conformist stupidity in the thinker.

    Agree, thanks.

    Note that a tweed sport coat and an OxBridge accent can take a bone fide Nitwit pretty far.

  116. @syonredux
    It's a step down from Lalla Ward....


    https://georgesjournal.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/lalla_ward_dressed_in_the_doctors_togs_destiny_of_the_daleks.jpg

    http://thechristiangeek.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Romana.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2b/e7/f9/2be7f9003483824cb21a5c74aa377230--movie-stars-lalla-ward.jpg

    http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4100000/Romana-pics-romana-ii-4104921-1024-768.jpg

    A solid 7.

  117. @Pericles

    Angela and Richard need to get a room.

     

    Room 101.

    Savage.

  118. • Replies: @Desiderius
    Has Titania McGrath taken over their Twitter account?
  119. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Smithsonian_6

    Generally you have to grow up on a farm to be a farmer.
     
    It always struck me as a uniquely difficult job to get into from scratch.

    It always struck me as a uniquely difficult job to get into from scratch.

    For several reasons, yes.

    Even in the modern era with tractors, combine, planters, etc, it is a high sustained physical work occupation, in this day and age almost uniquely so. If you did not grow up doing this in your key formative years, no matter how buff you are, taking it up later will kill you. A lot of people get the urge to farm and jump in, buying acreage and equipment with money from a business deal or whatever, and they can work like a farmer for a while but then the body gives out. Joints, sinews, everything and you wind up like a retired football player. In the old days if you worked in a factory or the mill or whatever you worked like that, but those guys don’t work like that anymore and if they did they’d still never make enough money to buy a profitable amount of decent acreage.

    That’s the second problem, “buying your way in” to an economically profitable farm means a big chunk of cash. It gets bigger each year.

    And third, you don’t have to be extremely high IQ to be a farmer but you do have to know a lot, much of which you only learn by farming, and if you get it wrong you starve. The real reason there are very few black farmers is that they could do the work but without someone telling them what to do and making them do it every day they always seem to manage to not do it. They’ll butcher the dairy cows and eat like a king, eat the seed corn, then starve. Exceptions exist but that is what they are, exceptions. Blacks do not have the inner sense of needing to prepare for the future. They live in the immediate present and have little innate sense of history or anticipation of the future. If they are upset over something in the distant past it’s because ((someone)) is always “reminding” them.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    When I read what the daily working life of a Midwestern farm owner-operator is like these days, the skills seem pretty similar to what is needed for an MBA level job in a big corporation.

    Keep in mind that most owner-operators in the Midwest are descended from the most of farming oriented and adept of a number of a brothers for several generations as the number of individuals needed per 640 acres continues to decline. The guys who inherited the family farm today are descended from a long line of guys who liked farming and were good at it.

  120. @Dumbo
    Good riddance. I always found Dawkins extremely annoying. As militant atheists go, only Peter Singer and that P. J. Myers dude are more insufferable.

    As militant atheists go, only Peter Singer and that P. J. Myers dude are more insufferable.

    “There is no God, and Dawkins is his prophet.”

  121. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/royalsociety/status/1229437894818979841

    Has Titania McGrath taken over their Twitter account?

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    Yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/royalsociety/status/1229303930213060609

    https://twitter.com/GilesPalaeoLab/status/1229336880711380992
  122. @Anonymous

    It always struck me as a uniquely difficult job to get into from scratch.
     
    For several reasons, yes.

    Even in the modern era with tractors, combine, planters, etc, it is a high sustained physical work occupation, in this day and age almost uniquely so. If you did not grow up doing this in your key formative years, no matter how buff you are, taking it up later will kill you. A lot of people get the urge to farm and jump in, buying acreage and equipment with money from a business deal or whatever, and they can work like a farmer for a while but then the body gives out. Joints, sinews, everything and you wind up like a retired football player. In the old days if you worked in a factory or the mill or whatever you worked like that, but those guys don't work like that anymore and if they did they'd still never make enough money to buy a profitable amount of decent acreage.

    That's the second problem, "buying your way in" to an economically profitable farm means a big chunk of cash. It gets bigger each year.

    And third, you don't have to be extremely high IQ to be a farmer but you do have to know a lot, much of which you only learn by farming, and if you get it wrong you starve. The real reason there are very few black farmers is that they could do the work but without someone telling them what to do and making them do it every day they always seem to manage to not do it. They'll butcher the dairy cows and eat like a king, eat the seed corn, then starve. Exceptions exist but that is what they are, exceptions. Blacks do not have the inner sense of needing to prepare for the future. They live in the immediate present and have little innate sense of history or anticipation of the future. If they are upset over something in the distant past it's because ((someone)) is always "reminding" them.

    When I read what the daily working life of a Midwestern farm owner-operator is like these days, the skills seem pretty similar to what is needed for an MBA level job in a big corporation.

    Keep in mind that most owner-operators in the Midwest are descended from the most of farming oriented and adept of a number of a brothers for several generations as the number of individuals needed per 640 acres continues to decline. The guys who inherited the family farm today are descended from a long line of guys who liked farming and were good at it.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    I liked this short article that gives an overview of the technology involved in running a modern farm:

    https://modernag.org/modern-agriculture/technology-and-farming/
  123. @Desiderius
    Has Titania McGrath taken over their Twitter account?

    Yesterday:

  124. @syonredux
    Dawkins and Lalla had a decent run:

    In 1992, at his 40th birthday party, Adams introduced her to his friend Richard Dawkins (biologist and author of books including The Selfish Gene, The Blind Watchmaker and The God Delusion).[5][20] Ward and Dawkins married later that year. In 2016, in a joint statement, the couple announced their amicable separation after 24 years of marriage.[21]
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOQRIrPvwpA


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JTVtOtKefU

    Adams — as in Douglas Adams? He wrote some serials for Doctor Who, including the “City of Death” — a charming story set in Paris, featuring Ward cum Romana. Baker, Dawkins . . . she knows how to pick interesting fellows.

  125. @Mr. Anon
    OT: Mike Bloomberg casually insults both farmers and machinists:

    https://twitter.com/AnnaKellyWI/status/1229197979392847872

    Are you some sort of sjw?

    I have no idea what the context or intention of this talk is but claiming that he’s insulting anybody when he makes a claim that it’s easier to teach people to work on a farm than at google is a claim, not an insult. If you think that’s incorrect then say so. But to call this an insult is incredibly partisan and is indicative of political intent on your part.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    It was an insult, as is your comment to our intelligence.

    He was vice signaling. Are you?
    , @Mr. Anon
    It's an insult. It isn't my problem if you're too stupid to recognize it as such.

  126. Big Sister

    Big Sister · Elvis Costello
    Out Of Our Idiot
    ℗ 1987 Elvis Costello

    [MORE]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_Our_Idiot

    Out of Our Idiot is a 1987 compilation album of rare and previously unreleased recordings dating back to 1979 by Elvis Costello, which was released in the UK on Demon Records.[1] It was only available as an import in the USA and other markets. The album was credited to “Various Artists” rather than to Costello because the tracks were recorded and credited under a variety of names, including The Costello Show, Elvis Costello and the Attractions, Elvis Costello and the Confederates, The Coward Brothers, Napoleon Dynamite, The Emotional Toothpaste and The MacManus Gang, and with a variety of collaborators, including Jimmy Cliff, Nick Lowe and T-Bone Burnett.

  127. @res
    Those ngram values look small enough that I suspect 1990 was a single mention. Would probably need to look at the context a little more to see what they were. Not to mention that books tend to lag other media.

    I was surprised to see that Google searches for Steve have been roughly flat over time (starting 2004).
    https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=steve%20sailer

    I don’t know what the star next to this dude’s name means. Steve, if it’s from you for some reason please let us know what it means. If it’s the dude giving himself a gold star please let him know that it’s obnoxious marketing and may work well at his day job selling expensive widgets to poor midgets but has no place in a comment thread.

    I wish Steve announced and implemented a comment regime like SSC has. Those of us who have something worth saying would say it more clearly and intelligently than we presently do after our first 2 week suspension and those without anything to say that is at least ⅔’s of Kind, True, Necessary would cease reading a comment thread that rhey coukd not understand.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I believe Ron awarded commenter res a star because he does a lot of original research for his comments. I too appreciate res's hard work.
    , @res

    those without anything to say that is at least ⅔’s of Kind, True, Necessary
     
    You might consider applying that standard to your comment(s). You seem to have trouble reaching a 1/3 standard. Comments 128 and 129 do a great job of demonstrating that you are a hypocrite.

    P.S. This comment is true and arguably necessary. Obviously not kind though. Though as a response to your comment I consider that a feature not a bug.
  128. @Anonymous
    Anglos are total cucks to respectability. What a sniveling coward. No wonder they are such worthless cucks to Jews.

    But is Murray really any better? He sucks most to Jews, the people who do most to slap him around.

    He even caved to 'gay marriage' because it became so 'respectable' among elites.

    please chose a handle so i can block you

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    please chose a handle so i can block you
     
    How about the handle "Palestinian"? You fellas sure love to block and destroy the people of Palestine.
  129. @moshe
    I don't know what the star next to this dude's name means. Steve, if it's from you for some reason please let us know what it means. If it's the dude giving himself a gold star please let him know that it's obnoxious marketing and may work well at his day job selling expensive widgets to poor midgets but has no place in a comment thread.

    I wish Steve announced and implemented a comment regime like SSC has. Those of us who have something worth saying would say it more clearly and intelligently than we presently do after our first 2 week suspension and those without anything to say that is at least ⅔'s of Kind, True, Necessary would cease reading a comment thread that rhey coukd not understand.

    I believe Ron awarded commenter res a star because he does a lot of original research for his comments. I too appreciate res’s hard work.

    • Agree: MEH 0910
  130. @SteveM
    For a history of Richard Dawkins transparent illogic see this lacerating review of his 2004 book "The Devil's Chaplain" by physicist Stephen Barr:

    https://www.firstthings.com/article/2004/08/001-the-devils-chaplain

    Barr writes from a Catholic Christian perspective, but his assessment of Dawkins' obviously defective reasoning would be wickedly accurate from any perspective except that of Dawkins' and his ilk.

    Of interest is the fact that physicist Stephen Barr is the biological brother of Attorney General Bill Barr whose mother is the Irish American Catholic wife of his Jewish convert father.

  131. @RichardTaylor

    It’s more that he once was THE cool kid, every lefty atheist loved his attacks on religion
     
    Yeah, truth in that. But it's interesting, I don't think they liked him that much in the 70s when he was talking selfish gene, etc. Then, as he attacked religion, they found him useful (but never accepted the actual science he had written about).

    Remember, feminists through ice water on EO Wilson back in the 70s as form of protest.

    Yes, this has been forgotten. Dawkins was a figure of hate for leftists in the 1980s, when a simplistic reading of his books was used to justify Thatcherism.

  132. @moshe
    please chose a handle so i can block you

    please chose a handle so i can block you

    How about the handle “Palestinian”? You fellas sure love to block and destroy the people of Palestine.

  133. @Steve Sailer
    When I read what the daily working life of a Midwestern farm owner-operator is like these days, the skills seem pretty similar to what is needed for an MBA level job in a big corporation.

    Keep in mind that most owner-operators in the Midwest are descended from the most of farming oriented and adept of a number of a brothers for several generations as the number of individuals needed per 640 acres continues to decline. The guys who inherited the family farm today are descended from a long line of guys who liked farming and were good at it.

    I liked this short article that gives an overview of the technology involved in running a modern farm:

    https://modernag.org/modern-agriculture/technology-and-farming/

  134. @anon
    Bloomberg's a very smart fellow, he must be correct.
    The only thing anyone needs to farm successfully is some green acres.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iHl4eY7jig

    What if Oliver had been played by Bob Newhart? Funnier or less funny?

    • Replies: @anon
    What if Oliver had been played by Bob Newhart? Funnier or less funny?

    I dunno. Eva Gabor or Suzanne Pleshette, tough call.
  135. @The Wild Geese Howard
    I bet Bloomie thinks they grow food in the package right there in the Manhattan bodegas.

    They should drop Bloomie on an island for a year and see how he does growing his own food.

    Modern farming is one of the most technologically diverse professions there is.

    The point to me isn’t that it’s technologically complex; it’s that it’s a business, and you’re not just germinating a seed. You have to do it PROFITABLY.

  136. @ben tillman
    What if Oliver had been played by Bob Newhart? Funnier or less funny?

    What if Oliver had been played by Bob Newhart? Funnier or less funny?

    I dunno. Eva Gabor or Suzanne Pleshette, tough call.

    • Agree: Desiderius, ben tillman
    • Replies: @ben tillman
    I asked because I watched a cartoon movie recently (The Rescuers) in which a mouse couple were voiced by Bob Newhart and Eva Gabor. And I thought, hmm, Newhart might have been pretty funny in that role.
  137. @utu
    "...maybe it’s just his ego talking..." - The prejudice against farmers (peasants) is very Jewish.

  138. I wonder if there isn’t a personal component to Saini’s disdain for the field of cognitive science. One of her first published books was entitled Geek Nation: How Indian Science is Taking Over the World; my understanding is that Saini has Indian heritage. The book cover includes a crowd of Indians below the triumphal title. Her next book, Superior: The Return of Race Science, prominently features a European statue on the cover (merged with an African); I believe Saini resides in Britain. Lastly, her most recent book, Inferior: How Science Got Women Wrong – And the New Research That’s Rewriting the Story, has yet another European on the cover – this time the split image of an attractive white female. Both books deal with the subject of a group Saini associates with supposedly being disadvantaged by certain HBD results.

    One might think Saini’s life work revolves around assuaging her own bruised ego. India’s reported mean IQ is far below the average white Briton’s. Additionally, as a female science writer in an area dominated by men, one might guess Saini feels doubly insecure: most of the 2019 Nobel Prize winners were male, disproportionately white; I believe one was British; the only Indian (male) on the list won for economics.

    If you’re an identitarian who gushes about your tribe “taking over the world”, it must hurt to be continually reminded that your tribe isn’t really all that after all. Thus, the continual excuse making for a rival tribe besting her own. You can’t miss the blatantly Euro-centric attacks in her works. In the description for her latest book alleging a vast conspiracy by science to keep womankind down, Charles Darwin – white guy — is denounced as a sexist before Saini confidently announces she’s going to correct the record. In Superior, the description shamelessly mentions Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein in the same breath as the Nazis (also white Europeans) while concomitantly misconstruing their book’s focus as being the promotion of white intellectual superiority.

    One wonders whether Angela Saini will ever write a book about India’s horribly racist treatment of their untouchable class, something that has a basis in the same kinds of myths she supposedly seeks to debunk. But then again, that would make Indians look bad.

    Notice a pattern in these covers?

    Geek Nation: How Indian Science is Taking Over the World:

    Superior: The Return of Race Science:

    Inferior: How Science Got Women Wrong – And the New Research That’s Rewriting the Story

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    You have the book order reversed, Inferior came out the year before Superior.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Saini#Books
  139. @dearieme
    Is Dawkins a stranger to shame?

    It would appear so.

  140. @Divine Right
    I wonder if there isn’t a personal component to Saini’s disdain for the field of cognitive science. One of her first published books was entitled Geek Nation: How Indian Science is Taking Over the World; my understanding is that Saini has Indian heritage. The book cover includes a crowd of Indians below the triumphal title. Her next book, Superior: The Return of Race Science, prominently features a European statue on the cover (merged with an African); I believe Saini resides in Britain. Lastly, her most recent book, Inferior: How Science Got Women Wrong – And the New Research That’s Rewriting the Story, has yet another European on the cover – this time the split image of an attractive white female. Both books deal with the subject of a group Saini associates with supposedly being disadvantaged by certain HBD results.

    One might think Saini’s life work revolves around assuaging her own bruised ego. India’s reported mean IQ is far below the average white Briton’s. Additionally, as a female science writer in an area dominated by men, one might guess Saini feels doubly insecure: most of the 2019 Nobel Prize winners were male, disproportionately white; I believe one was British; the only Indian (male) on the list won for economics.

    If you’re an identitarian who gushes about your tribe “taking over the world”, it must hurt to be continually reminded that your tribe isn’t really all that after all. Thus, the continual excuse making for a rival tribe besting her own. You can’t miss the blatantly Euro-centric attacks in her works. In the description for her latest book alleging a vast conspiracy by science to keep womankind down, Charles Darwin – white guy -- is denounced as a sexist before Saini confidently announces she’s going to correct the record. In Superior, the description shamelessly mentions Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein in the same breath as the Nazis (also white Europeans) while concomitantly misconstruing their book’s focus as being the promotion of white intellectual superiority.

    One wonders whether Angela Saini will ever write a book about India’s horribly racist treatment of their untouchable class, something that has a basis in the same kinds of myths she supposedly seeks to debunk. But then again, that would make Indians look bad.

    Notice a pattern in these covers?

    Geek Nation: How Indian Science is Taking Over the World:
    http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51McMhSsNHL._SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_.jpg

    Superior: The Return of Race Science:
    https://www.bitchmedia.org/sites/default/files/styles/article_one-third_width/public/Superior-%20The%20Return%20of%20Race%20Science%20by%20Angela%20Saini.jpg?itok=qXyHthq1

    Inferior: How Science Got Women Wrong – And the New Research That’s Rewriting the Story
    https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/dd2b0bdc-2db6-407c-9683-d5374da83f83_1.c7dc52f1315d343594c1d510d3b409d6.jpeg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=ffffff

    You have the book order reversed, Inferior came out the year before Superior.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Saini#Books

    • Replies: @Divine Right
    Doesn't matter. The point stands.
  141. @utu
    "...maybe it’s just his ego talking..." - The prejudice against farmers (peasants) is very Jewish.

    Prejudice against farmers? Never !

    “The bourgeoisie has subjected the country to the rule of the towns. It has created enormous cities, has greatly increased the urban population as compared with the rural, and has thus rescued a considerable part of the population from the idiocy of rural life.”

    Marx, The Communist Manifesto, Ch 1

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "The idiocy of rural life" is a bit of a mistranslation. Marx was writing something more like "the isolation of rural life." But this is an example of Colby Cosh's rule that famous wrong quotations often get at something in the personality of the person to whom it is attributed: e.g., Marx really did despise French peasants, as he makes clear in his fun book on Louis Napoleon.
  142. @YetAnotherAnon
    Prejudice against farmers? Never !

    "The bourgeoisie has subjected the country to the rule of the towns. It has created enormous cities, has greatly increased the urban population as compared with the rural, and has thus rescued a considerable part of the population from the idiocy of rural life."
     
    Marx, The Communist Manifesto, Ch 1

    “The idiocy of rural life” is a bit of a mistranslation. Marx was writing something more like “the isolation of rural life.” But this is an example of Colby Cosh’s rule that famous wrong quotations often get at something in the personality of the person to whom it is attributed: e.g., Marx really did despise French peasants, as he makes clear in his fun book on Louis Napoleon.

  143. @MEH 0910
    You have the book order reversed, Inferior came out the year before Superior.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Saini#Books

    Doesn’t matter. The point stands.

  144. @moshe
    Are you some sort of sjw?

    I have no idea what the context or intention of this talk is but claiming that he's insulting anybody when he makes a claim that it's easier to teach people to work on a farm than at google is a claim, not an insult. If you think that's incorrect then say so. But to call this an insult is incredibly partisan and is indicative of political intent on your part.

    It was an insult, as is your comment to our intelligence.

    He was vice signaling. Are you?

  145. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - is this Bloomberg? Background needed.

    https://twitter.com/BarstoolNewsN/status/1229129489721913344

    Damn, it looks like he might get elected after all.

  146. Eugenics is not the same thing as racial science. Eugenics is a big part of normal sexual attraction. Like Tommy Sotomayor says, “Guys, you’ve got to stop dumpster diving with your dicks!”

  147. @moshe
    I don't know what the star next to this dude's name means. Steve, if it's from you for some reason please let us know what it means. If it's the dude giving himself a gold star please let him know that it's obnoxious marketing and may work well at his day job selling expensive widgets to poor midgets but has no place in a comment thread.

    I wish Steve announced and implemented a comment regime like SSC has. Those of us who have something worth saying would say it more clearly and intelligently than we presently do after our first 2 week suspension and those without anything to say that is at least ⅔'s of Kind, True, Necessary would cease reading a comment thread that rhey coukd not understand.

    those without anything to say that is at least ⅔’s of Kind, True, Necessary

    You might consider applying that standard to your comment(s). You seem to have trouble reaching a 1/3 standard. Comments 128 and 129 do a great job of demonstrating that you are a hypocrite.

    P.S. This comment is true and arguably necessary. Obviously not kind though. Though as a response to your comment I consider that a feature not a bug.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @moshe
    I was Absolutely clear on the fact that it applies to me as well, no?

    In a swamp you've got to be a swamp thing. I have never taken my commenting here seriously and have often mentioned that fact.

    I assume that none of us who comment here are the same people IRL as we come across here.

    I know that Steve isn't.

    As a long time writer, Steve may not realize how he comes across to normal people. As a genius, yes. And as many many other positive things as well (I've listed them more than once in the past), but also as scary AF.

    He does not come across as nice guy. (The small print qualifications and explanations would be too tedious and also useless, as I expect to be understood uncharitably anyway.)

    But the truth is that Steve, the man, actually IS a very nice guy.

    But any drive-by readers without a chip on their shoulders would not get that impression.

    And even the nicest of the commenters here, say Lot for example, come across as nasty pieces of work who are willing to mock and degrade strangers based on misquotes in the press or a 130 character tweet. Not to mention, anything to do with "blacks".

    And the comments that were written by the guy with the same fingerprints I have now? (whether under this nom or some other or anonymous or whatever.)

    A mixed bag, coming from different moods, different intentions, differently accentuated parts of the identity that guy had - ranging from everything to informative and written seriously with kind and/or scholarly intent to straight out trolling.

    I don't know what "Necessary" means so I won't comment on that.

    I imagine that most are more or less "True" within the context of the cesspool of many if these threads. Mist of the comments I responded to negatively I believe were deserving of my responses. Though I undoubtedly missed the mark one or two hundred times. IOW, insults lobbied at the authors of comments I was responding to were probably mostly deserved and accurate within the context of the comment thread but almost (if ever) an accurate reflection of what any version if me at any time actually thought of the commenter as an actual person when away from his computer screen.

    As for "Kind", what the hell does kind even mean within the context of a human vs human culture war? Almost nothing outside of slatestarcodex fits the bill and even there only a certain percentage does. Besides, most of what was written was absolutely intended to be unkind. An accidental lack of empathy was besides the point, in this red-in-tooth-and-claw internet culture war business, particularly on unz, purposefully unkind responses were generally my intent.

    I can't f'n imagjne how someone could have missed that point.

    Especially in my responses to antisems. No quarter asked and no quarter given. If InternationalJew and Dissident and the others want to treat people who use triple parenthesis with respect that's to their own shame, not mine. In fact it disgusts me when they do that and smacks of a shameful lack of self respect. People who dislike me for my nose or name aren't people whose feelings or lives I care about anyway.

    Happily almost none of these actually exist in America - or anywhere else for that matter.

    But in the silly, yet ugly, dungeons and dragons game of splashing blood and throwing feces online these people DO exist. And I very much enjoy splatting them underfoot, or at least playing the gane if doing so because of course I expect few people to read the comment and almost no one to care or to think they were splattered.

    And if nothing I wrote here makes sense I'm cool with that too.

    After all, it isn't really "me" writing any of this anyway.

    Like all Jews I wish for a better, happier, community of Man, but until then I have no intention of playing the suffering saint. Happily, almost none of that is ever called for offline, in the happy world of real people, but in this sohere, yes it is. And the Yids and Yid-adjacents who swallow it by allowing it to go unchallenged or by responding to it with "to a point, Lord Anonymous eho believes that Jews drink Christian blood" are doing just that. It's gross to watch. If someone flings poo at me, you can be sure I'll be glad to toss it back.

    My suggestion was for Steve to RADICALLY change what this blog is, at least what the comment thread looks like. In that instance we'd all either play nice or be in a time out. Our better natures would then play chess instead of the mud wrestling or, worse, poker, that is currently plated out everywhere on unz. Even here, one if the few spots on unz where it's possible that gentlemanly intelligent discussion could actually exist --- from the very same commenters, yours truly very much included, who triple parentheses or misread others intent badly or, or...any of the nonsense that currently prevails.

    I mean, for the love of yoshkele, has ANY ideological diversity been given any honest and respectful consideration in these threads? No. As soon as any genuine one appears it receives the Troll tag, mockery, assumptions of bad faith.... and either gets in line or goes away.

    Enough. Real life beckons.

    tl;dr? As I've said manymany times, I would love to meet any of the commenters here irl and expect with a very high degree of confidence that we'd get along like gangbusters.
    , @Desiderius
    For use almost can change the stamp of nature,
    And either rein the devil or throw him out
    With wondrous potency. Once more, good night,
    And when you are desirous to be blessed,
    I’ll blessing beg of you.
    For this same lord,
    I do repent. But heaven hath pleased it so,
    To punish me with this and this with me,
    That I must be their scourge and minister.
    I will bestow him and will answer well
    The death I gave him. So, again, good night.
    I must be cruel only to be kind.
    Thus bad begins and worse remains behind.
  148. Look, the role of the likes of Dawkins or Pinker or Dennett is teaching a narrative that ultimately legitimatizes liberal ordered society (alienation, atomization, Tranny Bathroom) as all either framed as returning to some ancient past of “liberated” “free” ubermenschhood or escaping from the chains that were imposed by the state/church/patriarchy. Their ilk have long been willing agents of Globohomo (see drunken filth Chris Hitchens’ Neoconery).

    You’d that think between Achmed descending upon the Anglo Isles and the business he got at the hands of Rebecca Watson with the other Nu-Atheists ole Dicky Dawkins would have learned his lesson by now realizing the connection between his work and the state of his society but naw. He’s in the same place John Cleese is. That is, he notices something OFF about his society after decades of deriding traditions and/or mocking adherents but either can’t see or or won’t admit that his work for much of his life played a notable role in its current state.

    This article tells some quick info on “New Atheism” (while glancing over details namely Chrissy Hitch’s Neoconnery and Troktsky adoring past and his Jewishness among New Atheism’s ties to Jews and Anglos):

    https://arcdigital.media/new-atheism-an-autopsy-7a1c1c767a99

  149. @res

    those without anything to say that is at least ⅔’s of Kind, True, Necessary
     
    You might consider applying that standard to your comment(s). You seem to have trouble reaching a 1/3 standard. Comments 128 and 129 do a great job of demonstrating that you are a hypocrite.

    P.S. This comment is true and arguably necessary. Obviously not kind though. Though as a response to your comment I consider that a feature not a bug.

    I was Absolutely clear on the fact that it applies to me as well, no?

    In a swamp you’ve got to be a swamp thing. I have never taken my commenting here seriously and have often mentioned that fact.

    I assume that none of us who comment here are the same people IRL as we come across here.

    I know that Steve isn’t.

    As a long time writer, Steve may not realize how he comes across to normal people. As a genius, yes. And as many many other positive things as well (I’ve listed them more than once in the past), but also as scary AF.

    [MORE]

    He does not come across as nice guy. (The small print qualifications and explanations would be too tedious and also useless, as I expect to be understood uncharitably anyway.)

    But the truth is that Steve, the man, actually IS a very nice guy.

    But any drive-by readers without a chip on their shoulders would not get that impression.

    And even the nicest of the commenters here, say Lot for example, come across as nasty pieces of work who are willing to mock and degrade strangers based on misquotes in the press or a 130 character tweet. Not to mention, anything to do with “blacks”.

    And the comments that were written by the guy with the same fingerprints I have now? (whether under this nom or some other or anonymous or whatever.)

    A mixed bag, coming from different moods, different intentions, differently accentuated parts of the identity that guy had – ranging from everything to informative and written seriously with kind and/or scholarly intent to straight out trolling.

    I don’t know what “Necessary” means so I won’t comment on that.

    I imagine that most are more or less “True” within the context of the cesspool of many if these threads. Mist of the comments I responded to negatively I believe were deserving of my responses. Though I undoubtedly missed the mark one or two hundred times. IOW, insults lobbied at the authors of comments I was responding to were probably mostly deserved and accurate within the context of the comment thread but almost (if ever) an accurate reflection of what any version if me at any time actually thought of the commenter as an actual person when away from his computer screen.

    As for “Kind”, what the hell does kind even mean within the context of a human vs human culture war? Almost nothing outside of slatestarcodex fits the bill and even there only a certain percentage does. Besides, most of what was written was absolutely intended to be unkind. An accidental lack of empathy was besides the point, in this red-in-tooth-and-claw internet culture war business, particularly on unz, purposefully unkind responses were generally my intent.

    I can’t f’n imagjne how someone could have missed that point.

    Especially in my responses to antisems. No quarter asked and no quarter given. If InternationalJew and Dissident and the others want to treat people who use triple parenthesis with respect that’s to their own shame, not mine. In fact it disgusts me when they do that and smacks of a shameful lack of self respect. People who dislike me for my nose or name aren’t people whose feelings or lives I care about anyway.

    Happily almost none of these actually exist in America – or anywhere else for that matter.

    But in the silly, yet ugly, dungeons and dragons game of splashing blood and throwing feces online these people DO exist. And I very much enjoy splatting them underfoot, or at least playing the gane if doing so because of course I expect few people to read the comment and almost no one to care or to think they were splattered.

    And if nothing I wrote here makes sense I’m cool with that too.

    After all, it isn’t really “me” writing any of this anyway.

    Like all Jews I wish for a better, happier, community of Man, but until then I have no intention of playing the suffering saint. Happily, almost none of that is ever called for offline, in the happy world of real people, but in this sohere, yes it is. And the Yids and Yid-adjacents who swallow it by allowing it to go unchallenged or by responding to it with “to a point, Lord Anonymous eho believes that Jews drink Christian blood” are doing just that. It’s gross to watch. If someone flings poo at me, you can be sure I’ll be glad to toss it back.

    My suggestion was for Steve to RADICALLY change what this blog is, at least what the comment thread looks like. In that instance we’d all either play nice or be in a time out. Our better natures would then play chess instead of the mud wrestling or, worse, poker, that is currently plated out everywhere on unz. Even here, one if the few spots on unz where it’s possible that gentlemanly intelligent discussion could actually exist — from the very same commenters, yours truly very much included, who triple parentheses or misread others intent badly or, or…any of the nonsense that currently prevails.

    I mean, for the love of yoshkele, has ANY ideological diversity been given any honest and respectful consideration in these threads? No. As soon as any genuine one appears it receives the Troll tag, mockery, assumptions of bad faith…. and either gets in line or goes away.

    Enough. Real life beckons.

    tl;dr? As I’ve said manymany times, I would love to meet any of the commenters here irl and expect with a very high degree of confidence that we’d get along like gangbusters.

  150. @res

    those without anything to say that is at least ⅔’s of Kind, True, Necessary
     
    You might consider applying that standard to your comment(s). You seem to have trouble reaching a 1/3 standard. Comments 128 and 129 do a great job of demonstrating that you are a hypocrite.

    P.S. This comment is true and arguably necessary. Obviously not kind though. Though as a response to your comment I consider that a feature not a bug.

    For use almost can change the stamp of nature,
    And either rein the devil or throw him out
    With wondrous potency. Once more, good night,
    And when you are desirous to be blessed,
    I’ll blessing beg of you.
    For this same lord,
    I do repent. But heaven hath pleased it so,
    To punish me with this and this with me,
    That I must be their scourge and minister.
    I will bestow him and will answer well
    The death I gave him. So, again, good night.
    I must be cruel only to be kind.
    Thus bad begins and worse remains behind.

  151. @Mr. Anon
    Quite so. Dawkins has long been an arrogant critic of Christianity (that's really the only religion he picks on). And yet it wasn't Christians who sought to have him cancelled. It is the adherents of the new, woke "I f**king love science" kind of religion that want to make him an unperson.

    Dawkins has long been an arrogant critic of Christianity (that’s really the only religion he picks on).

  152. @anon
    What if Oliver had been played by Bob Newhart? Funnier or less funny?

    I dunno. Eva Gabor or Suzanne Pleshette, tough call.

    I asked because I watched a cartoon movie recently (The Rescuers) in which a mouse couple were voiced by Bob Newhart and Eva Gabor. And I thought, hmm, Newhart might have been pretty funny in that role.

  153. @moshe
    Are you some sort of sjw?

    I have no idea what the context or intention of this talk is but claiming that he's insulting anybody when he makes a claim that it's easier to teach people to work on a farm than at google is a claim, not an insult. If you think that's incorrect then say so. But to call this an insult is incredibly partisan and is indicative of political intent on your part.

    It’s an insult. It isn’t my problem if you’re too stupid to recognize it as such.

  154. And to think that this very same chap delivered a talk on Courage in Science at CSIcon
    (a convention of skeptics) in Las Vegas last year. Need for intellectual integrity and persistence
    in the face of unreasoning opposition; truth will prevail, etc. etc.

    https://csiconference.org/

    Uncle Jack

  155. @Futurethirdworlder
    Dawkins could have done some good if he had told these anti eugenics people that they believe in eugenics programs as long as they aren't called eugenics programs.

    -Encouraging low fertility among your own population while allowing populations with high fertility to mass migrate into your country is selecting for populations with high fertility rates.

    -free healthcare for people who make poor lifestyle choices selects for people who make poor lifestyle choices.

    - subsidising single mothers who have children they can't afford is selecting for people who are irresponsible.

    Eugenics isn't just sterilizing undesirables it's anything that increases the occurrence of desirable human traits so these eugenics programs would be more accurately described as dysgenic, at least by me, but the people who designed the programs might think differently.

    Encouraging low fertility among your own population

    No-one is actually doing that. People are simply choosing not to have children. It’s not a conspiracy. It’s just collective selfishness.

    You want to know why people choose not to have children? Because they can. Modern contraceptives allow people to do that. Modern contraceptives have made sex a recreational activity. You might deplore this but that’s the way it is.

    Nobody forces people to use contraceptives. They choose to do so. People in advanced western and westernised nations just don’t particularly want to have children. If they don’t have to, they don’t.

    Not everything is a conspiracy.

    • Replies: @Futurethirdworlder
    Encouraging women to go to college, stoking fear of global warming, antinatalism promoted in media, disenfranchising white males, increasing the cost of housing, promoting the use of contraception.

    Everything is a conspiracy.
  156. @dfordoom

    Encouraging low fertility among your own population
     
    No-one is actually doing that. People are simply choosing not to have children. It's not a conspiracy. It's just collective selfishness.

    You want to know why people choose not to have children? Because they can. Modern contraceptives allow people to do that. Modern contraceptives have made sex a recreational activity. You might deplore this but that's the way it is.

    Nobody forces people to use contraceptives. They choose to do so. People in advanced western and westernised nations just don't particularly want to have children. If they don't have to, they don't.

    Not everything is a conspiracy.

    Encouraging women to go to college, stoking fear of global warming, antinatalism promoted in media, disenfranchising white males, increasing the cost of housing, promoting the use of contraception.

    Everything is a conspiracy.

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