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From a Reuters opinion columnist:

Breakingviews – China Inc will recycle used white guys
By Lauren Silva Laughlin

BREAKINGVIEWS
DECEMBER 21, 2020

NEW YORK (Reuters Breakingviews) – American company men may find a savior in China Inc. As corporations try to make their ranks more ethnically representative, many experienced – if white and older – males will find themselves without a job. Chinese companies, deterred from acquiring U.S. firms with valuable intellectual property, can recruit their discarded human capital instead.

Some of the largest U.S. companies are moving quickly to rebalance their headcount. At Apple, for example, women made up 38% of workers under 30 in 2018 versus just 31% four years earlier. The share of under-represented minorities in that group rose 10 percentage points to 35%. Meantime the employment-to-population ratio of white men fell from 76% in 1972 to 67% in 2018.

The coming year should be a banner one for diversity. California has rolled out quotas for boards; Nasdaq is considering requirements for listings. Companies from Wells Fargo to Google to Delta Air Lines have diversity hiring goals in place.

The goal is to reach new customers and positively transform corporate cultures. In the immediate term that may translate into net layoffs of older, more expensive, Caucasian men.

Some of those hitting the streets, resumé in hand, will have value for the right employer. Economic research firm Sonecon put the price of intellectual capital of U.S. companies at $9.2 trillion in 2011. Acquiring that by buying companies will be difficult under President-elect Joe Biden, who is expected to continue the crackdown on Chinese acquisitions. Poaching talent is easier and, in some cases, may be more efficient.

 
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  1. Communist led corporations hiring angry, bitter white men who are chock full of proprietary information from their former employer!

    What could possibly go wrong?

    • Replies: @Old and Grumpy
    @Anonymous

    It is called reap what you sow for our corporate masters.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    , @Thulean Friend
    @Anonymous

    Resentful manoids are a security threat to the newly diverse America.

    , @Anon
    @Anonymous

    that's how korean companies like Samsung and LG beat japanese companies, by hiring disposed former japanese engineers.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    , @Anon87
    @Anonymous

    I'd sell out my shitty company in a second for Chinese cash (this doesn't include national security, it's just business), but I doubt they are interested in poor management and underfunded R&D insights.

  2. Will Peter Thiel start cheering on Chinese victory?

    • Replies: @Richard B
    @anonymous


    Will Peter Thiel start cheering on Chinese victory?
     
    Who knows? But good question. And where's he been by the way? Maybe he saw early in the year where 2020 was going (or had inside information) and decided it'd be best for him to sit the rest of the year out til things blow over.

    In any event, he might want to consider this:


    The coming year should be a banner one for diversity.
     
    And a bad year for everything else because of diversity.

    Nasdaq is considering requirements for listings. Companies from Wells Fargo to Google to Delta Air Lines have diversity hiring goals in place.
     
    In other words, they have yet to make good on their word and actually engage in the kind of diversity POCs are expecting. If they don't things are bound to get, well, noisy.

    The goal is to reach new customers and positively transform corporate cultures. In the immediate term that may translate into net layoffs of older, more expensive, Caucasian men
     
    Stuffing one's company culture with people who can't tolerate the cognitive tension that comes with the high-level problem-solving associated with any company culture is their idea of positive transformation of said culture. By now it should be perfectly obvious that chutzpah is synonymous with intellectual and moral imbecility.

    I've said it before, but I'll say it again, because it's worth repeating. We're in no position to laugh at the dinosaurs for getting themselves extinct. After all, they lasted a lot longer than we have so far.

  3. Jee, I wonder what China could do with so many high IQ hard working men? What happened the last time when the best and brightest were driven off to another country? Can anyone remember?

    Also, how are Japanese corporations on the Woke scale?

    • Agree: VivaLaMigra
    • Replies: @Gross Terry
    @Kronos

    american jews played a much larger role in the soviet nuclear weapon program, than the american one.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Kronos, @Larry, San Francisco, @Malcolm X-Lax

    , @Anonymous
    @Kronos

    Those were almost entirely Jews who designed that bomb, just saying.

    On the other hand, white goys are pretty good at military applications.

    This seems like more of the unintended consequences of anti-Whitism. Jews have created PC, which is a kind of HIV that destroys immune systems of whites on a society level. So now opportunistic infections are using this to attack. The Chinese profit from the anti-Whitism via immigration and now, via hiring white victims of anti-Whitism, to improve the profitability of their companies. It's all so tiresome.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Mr. Anon

    , @The Alarmist
    @Kronos

    I dunno ... if the Chinese hired the same sort who led the Manhattan Project, her days might be just as numbered as those of the West.

    , @Alfa158
    @Kronos

    Historical footnote, that photo is not of the bomb itself. At one point the designers wanted to make sure that in case the first test shot was a fizzle and the bomb didn’t go nuclear, the precious plutonium wouldn’t be scattered all over the test site by the conventional explosives that initiate the detonation. The plan was to put the test bomb inside Jumbo this gigantic steel containment vessel pictured. If the bomb worked, then Jumbo would be blown apart, if it fizzled they could collect the plutonium trapped by the vessel and build another bomb for the next try.
    Before the test the scientists became pretty confident that the bomb was going to work so they never used Jumbo.
    Eventually they detonated a conventional aerial bomb inside Jumbo in an attempt to break it up for scrap, (and let’s face it because it was cool to see what would happen. Here is another test atomic scientists ran probably just because it was fun to find out what would happen if you pitted an atomic bomb against a steel bowling ball: https://youtu.be/by1xpy8ob8E ). You can still see the battered hulk of Jumbo on the two days a year the Trinity test site is open to visitors.

    Replies: @Kronos, @duncsbaby

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Kronos


    Jee, I wonder what China could do with so many high IQ hard working men?
     
    We did ok with some recycled white guys, ourselves.

    https://www.washingtonian.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/wernher-von-braun.jpg

  4. Eh I’m not seeing that happen..

    This is kind of ignoring how this rebalancing is happening.

    They aren’t firing older competent white guys, they’re just hiring less young white guys in proportion in their newer batches..

    Which is not a big deal these white guys just work at smaller satellite tech companies, that end up getting swallowed up by incumbent corps at a massive premium, and they get rewarded for it massively with their equity positions vesting.

    Shit needs to get done, these aren’t government organizations, the money will run out if they don’t remain productive.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Kaz


    They aren’t firing older competent white guys
     
    You know nothing about this topic. Age discrimination is legendary in high tech, and something I can personally attest to from my job searches over the years and ability to hide how old I am once I realized I needed to do that in my mid-30s. It should take any honest person very little time with a search engine to find a multitude of examples of older workers being required to teach their Indian replacements their jobs as a condition of getting severance pay. In many sectors, from a unit of the California state government, a university if I'm remembering correctly, to Disney.

    Replies: @Kaz

    , @Ben tillman
    @Kaz

    Wrong. The money will run out when the oil runs out. They don’t produce jack shit.

    , @Another German Reader
    @Kaz

    It's still additional cost, which the competition in E/SE-Asia, Russia etc. does not have.

    It's still additional coordination-cost between "external" consultant/teams and the "official" roster.

    It's still additional OPSEC cost in age of easy espionage.

    There is still the problem of PoC/Diverse management making decisions.

    , @Supply and Demand
    @Kaz

    China's actively cultivating young talent in the US. I was first approached by my university's Confucius Institute in grad school, well over a year before my university post offer that I got in Dalian.

    I was offered a tenure-track professorship in China in the last semester of grad school (pending my completion), and well before I went through the usual gamut of applying for Ed-tech jobs. I still applied for those jobs to test the market, but entry-level jobs at a tech startup don't offer the same level of security and only half the salary of a Chinese university post, which I've occupied for a touch over 5 years now.

    Google "Thousand Talents Program". That's who recruited me, at least. I'm sure other such programs exist for American-Born Chinese, but TTP is for white guys.

    Replies: @notsaying

    , @VivaLaMigra
    @Kaz

    Just a FYI: it's "...fewer white guys..." , not "...less white guys..." The rule is when you're referring to things that come in discrete integer quantities, it's "fewer." When dealing in substances that can be infinitely divided, it's "less." That's been the proper English word usage word for centuries. Don't argue with it. The language is part of our culture, so DEFEND it. Other cultures defend theirs.

  5. Would the Chinese companies make the Americans move over there or allow them to keep working here? Would they pay them a Chinese or American style salary and benefits package?

    A lot of talk in this country about needing lots of foreign talent is bogus — an excuse made by cheap labor employers or a way to get out of hiring qualified Americans — but evidently not in Finland. I saw this last night at the Guardian.

    “Finland has received more than 5,300 applications in a month for a groundbreaking scheme offering foreign tech workers and their families the chance to relocate to the Nordic country for 90 days to see if they want to make the move permanent.”

    Maybe some of the laid off American men can go to Europe. That is a lot better than China.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/25/thousands-apply-to-be-a-finn-for-90-days-in-migration-scheme

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @notsaying


    Would the Chinese companies make the Americans move over there or allow them to keep working here?
     
    That's my question. If the White American gets to stay in America, can the Chinese company still skirt our anti-White hiring laws?

    White men need to be aware of this new world. Stop giving away your value for free. Stop volunteering to fight wars on behalf of a system that hates your guts. Stop supporting the system in any form for free.

    People of color (including Asians) and White liberals are able to free ride off the institutions we build while stabbing us in the back.

    Replies: @ringo starr search

    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @notsaying

    Finland is currently entering a stage of social instability and rot brought on by its relatively late mimicry of the multi-culti gynocratic wokeness agenda. I wouldn't want to subject myself to viewing that movie twice in a row.

    , @botazefa
    @notsaying


    Maybe some of the laid off American men can go to Europe. That is a lot better than China
     
    What becomes of the Americans who moved to Europe when NATO inevitably fails and China backs Russia?

    Replies: @notsaying, @Bill, @Astuteobservor II

    , @Supply and Demand
    @notsaying

    I had the unfortunate experience to spend 4 months in Kotka when my university in China wanted to develop a study-abroad program there. I can tell you unequivocally that the Chinese are warmer and more friendly than the Finns, and the Han are mostly unfriendly cold fuckers.

    Replies: @Donald A Thomson

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @notsaying

    This China hiring Americans tech know-how is no joke.

    One of the leading US makers of paper products gave one of their execs the heave-ho, he was snapped up by China on one of these deals where he become their pampered pet with every need attended to, and now our technological lead on making soft toilet paper is flushed down the you-know where.

  6. @notsaying
    Would the Chinese companies make the Americans move over there or allow them to keep working here? Would they pay them a Chinese or American style salary and benefits package?

    A lot of talk in this country about needing lots of foreign talent is bogus -- an excuse made by cheap labor employers or a way to get out of hiring qualified Americans -- but evidently not in Finland. I saw this last night at the Guardian.

    "Finland has received more than 5,300 applications in a month for a groundbreaking scheme offering foreign tech workers and their families the chance to relocate to the Nordic country for 90 days to see if they want to make the move permanent."

    Maybe some of the laid off American men can go to Europe. That is a lot better than China.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/25/thousands-apply-to-be-a-finn-for-90-days-in-migration-scheme

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @botazefa, @Supply and Demand, @Inquiring Mind

    Would the Chinese companies make the Americans move over there or allow them to keep working here?

    That’s my question. If the White American gets to stay in America, can the Chinese company still skirt our anti-White hiring laws?

    White men need to be aware of this new world. Stop giving away your value for free. Stop volunteering to fight wars on behalf of a system that hates your guts. Stop supporting the system in any form for free.

    People of color (including Asians) and White liberals are able to free ride off the institutions we build while stabbing us in the back.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @ringo starr search
    @RichardTaylor

    This is one of the most interesting aspects of the post.

    How do American blacks and American Jews think they will fare in a world that is
    economically, military, politically, and culturally dominated by China. In the future, America
    will be desperate for good paying jobs and lobbying China to put some of their factories, labs, and offices in the US. We will be competing with many countries. When they look us over, and we tell them they need to hire according to quotas, recognize and give benefits to same-sex partners, comply with affirmative action, provide rest rooms for transgenders, allow all sorts of family leave etc... to working mothers, and on and on... What do you suppose will be their reaction?
    I think they'll find Mexico, Poland, Chile, Hungary, Indonesia, etc... more to their liking.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  7. @Kronos
    Jee, I wonder what China could do with so many high IQ hard working men? What happened the last time when the best and brightest were driven off to another country? Can anyone remember?

    https://antinuclearinfo.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/manhattan-project.gif

    Also, how are Japanese corporations on the Woke scale?

    Replies: @Gross Terry, @Anonymous, @The Alarmist, @Alfa158, @Hypnotoad666

    american jews played a much larger role in the soviet nuclear weapon program, than the american one.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Gross Terry

    One of my late readers' dad was, with Sakharov, the inventor of the Soviet H Bomb.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @black sea

    , @Kronos
    @Gross Terry

    Not just Jews, numerous scientists of various nationalities/ethnicities fled Europe to America either before or during World War II.

    , @Larry, San Francisco
    @Gross Terry

    I think this is a bit overblown. Of the top scientists of the bomb there was Fermi who was not Jewish (but a refugee from Fascism with a Jewish wife) but then there then there was Oppenheimer, Teller, Szilard and Von Neuman. The scientist who first realized the potential power of fission was the German Jewish scientist Lise Meitner who had to flee from the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute and told her nephew Otto Frisch who with (Rudolph Peierls another German Jewish physicist) developed the theory of how to create a nuclear explosion.
    I bet on the lower level many working on the bomb were also Jewish like Feynman. I went to U. of Chicago and several of my friends parents and grandparents who worked at Argonne and Fermilab had earlier worked on the Manhattan project. Most but not all of them were Jews. One interesting exception was a gentile friend of mine whose grandfather was a student of Heisenberg and who he, after his Jewish colleagues were expelled, got into a huge tiff with. After this he fled Germany and ended up working on the Manhattan project.
    I am not sure how the Russian bomb could have been any more Jewish. My guess is that because of post war Soviet anti-Semitism it wasn't except at the high level where you need the smartest people

    Replies: @Gross Terry

    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Gross Terry

    Speaking of which, I wonder why we have yet to see a good American movie about the Rosenbergs and Greenglass. Not even a revisionist one that paints them as victims.

  8. Anonymous[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kronos
    Jee, I wonder what China could do with so many high IQ hard working men? What happened the last time when the best and brightest were driven off to another country? Can anyone remember?

    https://antinuclearinfo.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/manhattan-project.gif

    Also, how are Japanese corporations on the Woke scale?

    Replies: @Gross Terry, @Anonymous, @The Alarmist, @Alfa158, @Hypnotoad666

    Those were almost entirely Jews who designed that bomb, just saying.

    On the other hand, white goys are pretty good at military applications.

    This seems like more of the unintended consequences of anti-Whitism. Jews have created PC, which is a kind of HIV that destroys immune systems of whites on a society level. So now opportunistic infections are using this to attack. The Chinese profit from the anti-Whitism via immigration and now, via hiring white victims of anti-Whitism, to improve the profitability of their companies. It’s all so tiresome.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Anonymous


    Those were almost entirely Jews who designed that bomb, just saying.
     
    You have no idea what you're talking about. Which seems to be par for the course in this comment section...

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous


    Those were almost entirely Jews who designed that bomb, just saying.
     
    Just saying incorrectly you might have added. Because it isn't true.
  9. @Gross Terry
    @Kronos

    american jews played a much larger role in the soviet nuclear weapon program, than the american one.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Kronos, @Larry, San Francisco, @Malcolm X-Lax

    One of my late readers’ dad was, with Sakharov, the inventor of the Soviet H Bomb.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Steve Sailer


    ... the inventor of ...
     
    Steve, please.

    That's like saying somebody who worked for Glenn Curtiss "invented" the airplane.

    Your late reader's dad wasn't an inventor, he was a copier working for a copier, and you know that. Not that there is anything belittling about this. Most of us couldn't copy his shoes, much less what he did.

    But please, "inventor" ?! No.

    BTW, my dad hung out after work at a bar in Long Beach with the guy who perfected the Super Ball for Wham-O (which also was invented or discovered by somebody else) so there.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    , @black sea
    @Steve Sailer

    I went to high school with Oppenheimer's great nephew. Perfect score on the SAT, back when that meant something.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @SunBakedSuburb, @Kronos, @Anonymous

  10. White men need to be aware of this new world. Stop giving away your value for free. Stop volunteering to fight wars on behalf of a system that hates your guts. Stop supporting the system in any form for free.

    WTF?

    Hiring white guys who know stuff is cheaper than trying to get industrial spies in these days.

    Besides which they older and disgustingly non-diverse men who might take the trip have no incentive NOT to let China have whatever knowledge they’ve acquired.

    Like the man said, treason is a meaningless concept when you’re country is out to dump you into history’s dustbin. They’re betraying white working men. There is no reason white working men can’t return the compliment.

  11. I have very mixed emotions about this.

  12. So will we see articles on racist Chinese preferring to work with white Americans instead of black Africans?

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @Redneck farmer

    It is alternately amusing and horrifying to talk with Chinese people about negroes. They drop plenty of cash on Lebron James and Beyonce though. The highlight of 2019 in the NBA was definitely James Harden apologizing to the Chinese nation and the Chinese race about his unfortunate inadvertent anti-China tweet when what he wrote was more milk toast than comparing Xi with Winnie the Pooh.

    https://i2.wp.com/www.opindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Xi-Jinping-Winnie-the-Pooh.jpg

    They had a podium presentation and it looked like there were eighty press lackeys covering Harden supplicating for forgiveness.

  13. In the 1990s I started noticing a startling number of White guys working way below the pay grade indicated by their education and experience. I’ve written about that here. The onetime consulting engineer, maybe late 30s, working as a near-minimum wage docent at a regional museum. And on and on.

    Looks like I’m not the only one who noticed. Good for Finland and the People’s Republic and other countries for their lack of prejudice in recruiting White American guys.

    • Agree: Polistra, GomezAdddams
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @JackOH

    That's due to a combination of credentialism, age discrimination, and over usage of H1bs.

    White-collar downward mobility is surprisingly common in the US. You first started to see it in the early 90s ("downsizing"), but it really kicked into overdrive during the 2000s.

    If you're a middle-aged White-collar worker with"holes" in your resume, you're screwed. You're doubly screwed if you lack a college degree.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anonymous

    , @Jesse
    @JackOH

    Finland isn't recruiting White guys. They're importing tech workers to drag wages down and avoid doing the hard work of growing their own. Or do Finnish and Chinese workers deserve to have their bargaining power diluted?

    Replies: @JackOH, @Daniel Chieh

  14. many experienced – if white and older – males

    Somehow I doubt the author is aware of just how telling that phrase is.

  15. China isn’t going to hire huge numbers of White guys permanently.

    The Chinese will hire a few temporarily, absorb their intellectual property and know-how, and then discard them.

    The Chinese may not have the English fluency necessary to take over major Western companies (as Indians H1bs are doing), but they have an even better plan. Steal their IP and start your own company. Given that the business environment is better in China (fewer regulations, no affirmative action, cheap labor, high productivity workforce), that’s an astute strategy.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Disagree: Supply and Demand
    • Replies: @Jesse
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Exactly. It's amazing how stupid the White men here are being. China doesn't love you. China won't rescue you. China owes you nothing.

    A major issue with this end of the right is that they always seem to assume that some behemoth is going to ride in and rescue the White man. First it was Russia. Now it's China. They're just as bad as everyone else looking abroad to solve internal problems.

    Replies: @Houston 1992, @Eugene Norman, @JohnPlywood, @Cagey Beast, @Anon, @Almost Missouri

    , @Elli
    @JohnnyWalker123

    China kicks most foreign workers out of the country when they reach 60.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Supply and Demand
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I'm routinely impressed with the increasing English ability of my students. 4 years ago, I'd say that most were roughly at a 6th/8th grade level coming into college. Now, I could teach my classes entirely in English if needed. They're probably more literate in English than any blue-checked black "intellectual" in America at the moment.

    Leaps and bounds. That said, this is a top school. I can't speak for what it's like down the line -- but at a certain extent, it's irrelevant. The people that need to know how to speak English do, and quite well. Can't say the same for Chinese literacy among Americans.

    Replies: @Thea

    , @showmethereal
    @JohnnyWalker123

    How do you steal IP if it is given to you???? Help me there... If they hire a white guy - you hire a person for their know how and experience. You don't hire someone to start over. Most of those guys work in California. The tech explosion happened in California partly because the courts would throw out "non-compete" stipulations. So is the whole California industry built on stealing IP??? Unless there is a patent violation - it's not stealing.

  16. @JackOH
    In the 1990s I started noticing a startling number of White guys working way below the pay grade indicated by their education and experience. I've written about that here. The onetime consulting engineer, maybe late 30s, working as a near-minimum wage docent at a regional museum. And on and on.

    Looks like I'm not the only one who noticed. Good for Finland and the People's Republic and other countries for their lack of prejudice in recruiting White American guys.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Jesse

    That’s due to a combination of credentialism, age discrimination, and over usage of H1bs.

    White-collar downward mobility is surprisingly common in the US. You first started to see it in the early 90s (“downsizing”), but it really kicked into overdrive during the 2000s.

    If you’re a middle-aged White-collar worker with”holes” in your resume, you’re screwed. You’re doubly screwed if you lack a college degree.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Downsizing was the result of older Boomers males beginning to reach management positions, who then proceeded to lay off all the older Silent Generation males in the name of cost-cutting, but also to empty all those jobs so their younger Boomer siblings could get them. The Boomer managers weren't comfortable with employees older and wiser than they were--and more ethical.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    White collar downward mobility was a theme of The Bell Curve. Yggdrasil did a great job of parsing it way back in 1996. I found this essay to be very insightful. Do yourself a favor and read the whole essay, especially when he "breaks the code".

    https://www.whitenationalism.com/ms/ms-01.htm


    YGGDRASIL

    Culture Wars #1 - Talking in "Code".

    This series of posts will deal with a wide range of topics concerning culture. By culture, I mean our behavior, what we listen to, watch and what we enjoy.

    The focus is upon behavior that we must change if we are to survive.

    We European-Americans have a very dangerous habit of assuming that everyone thinks just like us and has good intentions. We have a very hard time spotting alien-unspoken agendas. We fail to spot these agendas because we are not looking for them.

    We must learn to stop and think.

    Let me illustrate with a classic example.

    Recently Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray wrote a book entitled "The Bell Curve." The book raised a big rukus and reviews appeared everywhere. At any given time approximately 1/2 the bandwidth on alt.politics.nationalism.white was consumed with arguments about that book.

    Now according to the authors, the main message of the book is that our elites are becoming dangerously isolated from the common man. But according to the reviewers, the main message of the book was that some brown races have lower IQs!

    Now why do you suppose that the authors and the reviewers disagree so profoundly about the theme and the purpose of the book?

    Who do you suppose is right?

    Fascinating questions! As I open my copy and count pages, it becomes apparent that the authors spend 509 pages on the evidence that intelligence is hereditary and that our "information elites" are being selected on this hereditary basis.

    The authors then spend a mere 17 pages (Chapter 21) on their central thesis - the dangers created by the isolation of this new elite.

    Now let me warn you. When an author sets out to write a book about the dangers of a new hereditary elite, spends 500+ pages proving that such an elite has been created, but only 17 pages on the dangers (their sole stated purpose) something very important is going on. Your "code-speak" antenna should arise.

    And indeed when you read those 17 pages of chapter 21, you get very thin gruel. These pages reiterate what is said in the preface; - that this new cognitive elite is isolated. Never, ever does the book give you one illustration, example or even a hint of exactly what the "danger" might be.

    If all you are to do is comprehend the literal meaning of the words, then you are left scratching your head. So the cognitive elite is isolated? Why is that dangerous? What apocalypse awaits? The most important message of this book is broadly hinted at, but left entirely unspoken. Nevertheless, with a little detective work, the message is clear.

    The authors are very careful to lay out the social pathologies that accompany low IQ, including increased crime, poverty and illegitimacy. They pointedly assert, over and over, that the intelligent are being removed from most working class neighborhoods. At the turn of the century, the intelligent formed most of the neighborhood leaders in churches, PTAs and local clubs. As these people are removed from working class neighborhoods, these neighborhoods are crippled, unable to organize, and vulnerable to social decay.

    For the first 266 pages, the authors confine their discussion of the effects of low IQ to whites only, and limit the statistics on social pathology to whites (a very important clue about the real message of this book). They place particular emphasis on the advent of high levels of white illegitimacy, implying that white neighborhoods will soon become as dangerous and crime ridden as black neighborhoods.

    The authors do not want readers with short attention spans to miss the graphic descriptions of white, working class neighborhoods full of illegitimacy and sullen angry skin-heads.

    The next clue is a graphic on page 46, which clearly shows that while American Universities have been doing a much better job at rounding up intelligent people and getting them college degrees, only slightly more than half those with IQs above 115 get college degrees, and a clear majority of those above 130 do _not_ attend college, remaining scattered in the those decaying neighborhoods.

    Now why do you suppose the authors would print such an important graphic that tends to undermine their thesis? The graphic shows that while there may be _fewer_ intelligent people back in those decaying neighborhoods, nevertheless, a clear majority of those with IQs at the truly gifted and genius levels remain back there with the decay!

    People with IQs above 130 process information differently from the rest of society. They care a lot less about status. They are self-taught. They will act upon ideas, regardless of what others think. They have far less patience with propaganda than people with IQs below 130. People with IQs between 110 and 120 are far more conscious of status, manners and place. They tend to be a powerful force for social stability.

    Now I will ask you; could this graphic have something to do with the real message of this book?

    Might this vision of decaying white neighborhoods with too few 115 IQ people for stability but with more than half of our geniuses be disquieting to anyone out there?

    Is the real message that there are more than enough _very_ smart people left in those decaying white neighborhoods to cause lots of trouble?

    Is the "code" becoming clearer?

    So who, exactly is this "elite" that the authors are warning of impending danger? The book never says, although there are hints.

    The book carefully notes that Asians have IQs that are 5 points, on average, ahead of whites. Jews have IQs that are 12 points above whites.

    The authors spend 500 pages demonstrating that those people in our society with the highest IQs get all the best jobs, make all the money, and end up with all the power.

    So let us go ahead and break the code! Here is the authors' real message:

    How is it going to look to the European-American majority when most of the good jobs, most of the wealth and most of the power are held by Jews, Asians and other high IQ imports?

    Worse yet, how is this concentration of wealth and power in minority hands going to look when these minorities impose racial quotas, attack majority religions and culture, and do everything in their power to weaken the majority, and to accelerate the pace of social decay?

    The authors think that this is a prescription for disaster. But of course, they must say it in code. The bald indented statements above are very dangerous. Such statements can never be made in public.

    Their warning is directed at this new culturally non-white elite. The authors are neo-conservatives. What the authors are saying, in code, is that in order to be a secure elite, you must actively seek to _foster_ and _protect_ the culture of the majority. You cannot tear it down. You cannot, on one hand preach the virtues of equality, opportunity and diversity, while at the same time attacking the culture of the majority and hobbling them with quotas.

    The problem that all neo-conservatives are addressing is a simple one. These new minority elites must overcome their suspicions and hostilities toward the majority or there well be real trouble. In particular, the newly conspicuous jewish elite must learn to foster and protect traditional Christianity and stop viewing it as an "enemy". The jews must shed their paranoia about pogroms and vigilantly protect the culture of the white majority.

    Holding prosperous positions carries with it the responsibility for protecting others. For minorities in these positions, the responsibility is a stretch. According to these two neo-conservative authors, it is a responsibility that our new minority elites are handling very badly.

    Multi-racial empires have a unique flaw that homogenous nations do not.

    In a homogenous nation, ethnic unity tends to discipline elites to take responsibility for their political positions. If their policy prescriptions are destructive, they are destroying their own people. Ethnic unity tends to add a dimension of control to the appetites of elites. They are expected to protect the health safety and happiness of their own kind.

    In a multiracial empire, elites become cosmopolitan. They lose the sense of unity between race and nation, and are free to advocate all sorts of bad policies, because the ill consequence of this policy will be inflicted upon cultural and racial strangers - people for whom these elites no longer have a sense of responsibility. It is only when a policy affects them personally that they react.

    For minority elites, the problem is even worse. Because the evil policy could not have been adopted without some majority support, the minority elites never feel responsible for the consequences. In addition, minority elites will believe that the policy would have worked out fine if only the majority had not screwed up the administration of it.

    That is why we still have Marxists in 1995. Being a jewish ideological construct, the descendants of the jews who invented it still believe it, despite its failure everywhere it has been tried, because it has "never been administered correctly." There is nothing wrong with Marxism; the problem is with the goyim who keep messing it up.

    Not only are they free to disclaim responsibility, but they are free to indulge veiled hatreds toward the majority, with very little risk of discovery. All they need do is to speak in code, so that members of their own kind understand but the broader society does not.

    Out of spleen and spite for some ancient outrage or slight, these minority elites are free to advocate racial quotas, confiscatory taxes, destroy traditional religions and promote alternative life styles that plunge millions into poverty and crime without the slightest remorse for the consequences. Why? Because they feel no bond of kinship with these people who are harmed. More often than not, they are overtly hostile to those harmed.

    Neo-conservatives do not think that this will work.

    But they also must speak in code. For indeed, the intended audience is expected to understand the real message without having it spelled out in black and white. Spelling it out runs the risk of informing the unorganized and unsuspecting majority. And that is not their purpose.

    What you, the average European-American, must understand is that minority elites will always speak to each other of truly important and dangerous things in code.

    After all, when they debate among themselves just exactly how they must deal with us, it may be very dangerous if we hear and understand.

    Speaking in code is the sign of a strong culture, a culture with a will to survive. To remain ignorant of the truly important discussions going on around us dealing with our fate is a sign of a weak culture, one that is easily destroyed.

    We must change.

    We must learn how to think like minorities. We must develop powerful "code-speak" antenna.

    We must understand the real agendas behind the words and images placed before us so that we can defend our own culture.

    Neo-conservatism is a Jewish thing. It was invented by Norman Podhoretz and Midge Dechter at Commentary magazine. Its leading lights are George Gilder, Irving Kristol, and his son, Bud Kristol, Ronald Reagan's speech writer. They are good people, devoid of ethnic hostility towards us. They are engaged in a passionate and sincere debate with the "socialist" and profoundly anti-white members of their own tribe over the issue of fitness for leadership of this American empire.

    If I thought the neoconservatives had a chance of winning this argument I would not be alarming you in this manner. But it is our job to be realists and defend ourselves. The neoconservatives are good people, but they constitute a mere 10% of their tribe.

    The neoconservatives are faced with a daunting task. They must convince their co-religionists to protect and foster Christian belief and Christian values among Christians, at a time when establishment judaism and the Holocaust lobby constantly fan their fears to raise funds for Jewish charities and the State of Israel.

    The Ole Ygg believes that the neo-conservatives will lose the argument and that the problem will get worse.

    Back to Main Page

    (c) 1996 Yggdrasil. All rights reserved. Distribute Freely.
     
  17. To paraphrase Homer Simpson, “To white men! The cause of, and solution to, all of the world’s problems.”

    BTW, what’s with this: “President-elect Joe Biden, who is expected to continue the crackdown on Chinese acquisitions.”

    China has Biden by the short hairs. Does anyone really think he is in a position to get tough with it?

    • Agree: bomag, botazefa
    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Harry Baldwin

    As opposed to Donald Trump, who has given China a free hand in Asia and Southern Europe? But he did get Ivanka’s licensing agreements approved so there is that.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  18. @Gross Terry
    @Kronos

    american jews played a much larger role in the soviet nuclear weapon program, than the american one.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Kronos, @Larry, San Francisco, @Malcolm X-Lax

    Not just Jews, numerous scientists of various nationalities/ethnicities fled Europe to America either before or during World War II.

  19. @Steve Sailer
    @Gross Terry

    One of my late readers' dad was, with Sakharov, the inventor of the Soviet H Bomb.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @black sea

    … the inventor of …

    Steve, please.

    That’s like saying somebody who worked for Glenn Curtiss “invented” the airplane.

    Your late reader’s dad wasn’t an inventor, he was a copier working for a copier, and you know that. Not that there is anything belittling about this. Most of us couldn’t copy his shoes, much less what he did.

    But please, “inventor” ?! No.

    BTW, my dad hung out after work at a bar in Long Beach with the guy who perfected the Super Ball for Wham-O (which also was invented or discovered by somebody else) so there.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Buzz Mohawk


    the inventor of the Soviet H Bomb.
     
    We invented the nuclear fission A-Bomb and it probably wasn't too hard for the Soviets to copy it, especially with help from Fuchs and the Rosenburgs, et al.

    We and the Soviets more or less simultaneously co-invented the thermonuclear H-Bomb. But an H-Bomb is comparatively "easy" once you already have an A-Bomb. You basically just set off the A-Bomb inside a bunch of deuterium and it starts the fusion reaction. (Caveat: that's a vast oversimplification and I actually don't really know what I'm talking about of course.)

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @That Would Be Telling, @Joe Stalin, @Philip Owen

  20. As long as those old white men aren’t recycled in a meat plant for food..

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @BB753


    As long as those old white men aren’t recycled in a meat plant for food.
     
    "Soylent Gleen is peopoo!"

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @BB753

    "discarded human capital"

    Thanks, corporatism.

  21. @JackOH
    In the 1990s I started noticing a startling number of White guys working way below the pay grade indicated by their education and experience. I've written about that here. The onetime consulting engineer, maybe late 30s, working as a near-minimum wage docent at a regional museum. And on and on.

    Looks like I'm not the only one who noticed. Good for Finland and the People's Republic and other countries for their lack of prejudice in recruiting White American guys.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Jesse

    Finland isn’t recruiting White guys. They’re importing tech workers to drag wages down and avoid doing the hard work of growing their own. Or do Finnish and Chinese workers deserve to have their bargaining power diluted?

    • Replies: @JackOH
    @Jesse

    Jesse, I read The Guardian article mentioned in comment #5 above before my own comment. You're right that it's not clear whether the American and Canadian applicants are White dudes or, maybe, resident West Asians moving on to a new gig.

    , @Daniel Chieh
    @Jesse

    Finnish employment laws make any other strategy impossible. It's that or going to Estonia.

  22. @JohnnyWalker123
    China isn't going to hire huge numbers of White guys permanently.

    The Chinese will hire a few temporarily, absorb their intellectual property and know-how, and then discard them.

    The Chinese may not have the English fluency necessary to take over major Western companies (as Indians H1bs are doing), but they have an even better plan. Steal their IP and start your own company. Given that the business environment is better in China (fewer regulations, no affirmative action, cheap labor, high productivity workforce), that's an astute strategy.

    Replies: @Jesse, @Elli, @Supply and Demand, @showmethereal

    Exactly. It’s amazing how stupid the White men here are being. China doesn’t love you. China won’t rescue you. China owes you nothing.

    A major issue with this end of the right is that they always seem to assume that some behemoth is going to ride in and rescue the White man. First it was Russia. Now it’s China. They’re just as bad as everyone else looking abroad to solve internal problems.

    • Troll: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Houston 1992
    @Jesse

    agreed.

    Huawei has a major facility in Stockholm across from Ericsson, and in the recent past , Huawei has recruited from the Ericsson castaways among other ex-Erics. Huawei may not discard the YT engineers the moment they have absorbed their expertise due to 1)Swedish employment laws 2) China, Inc wanting to put forth a friendly face to facilitate other investment, but only 2) might apply here in the USA and UK.

    btw China has managed Volvo better than Ford although much of Volvo's revival was simply gaining unfettered access to its now largest market, viz, China

    , @Eugene Norman
    @Jesse


    Exactly. It’s amazing how stupid the White men here are being. China doesn’t love you. China won’t rescue you. China owes you nothing.
     
    So what? if they can hoover up some talent that’s discarded in the US they will do it.

    That’s another reason why the US Empire is accelerating its decline. It relies on male white and Asian, mostly Chinese, talent to produce its STEM output but it attacks both of them, from the left (white and male privilege) and the Chinese from the right (disloyal spies). The latter charge will increase over time. Chinese students will bear the brunt of it and probably stop coming, but even Chinese Americans will be suspect if the new Cold War accelerates. If Chinese students aren’t doing the stem subjects and white Americans are discouraged to, this means the acceleration of grievance studies that will no doubt keep the empire alive for generations to come. I’m looking forward to non phallic shaped missiles myself.

    Also, it may not happen but an alliance between China and European nationalists would do a lot to scupper the transatlantic alliance.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Jack D, @showmethereal

    , @JohnPlywood
    @Jesse

    White woman cope

    , @Cagey Beast
    @Jesse

    The article was published by Reuters and most likely written by a White girl. Where do you get the idea this is the collective daydream of a bunch of right-wing White guys? This is just some people at Reuters having a laugh at our expense.

    , @Anon
    @Jesse

    Nice chutzpah and made up narrative that has nothing to do with anything that anyone is saying. I didn't have lunch yet. Jew?

    I think you're underestimating, or just simply don't care, how little your input is welcomed here on "this end of the right." But then again you won't leave us alone right? Because you're a terrible person and you just like to bother people.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Jesse


    China doesn’t love you. China won’t rescue you. China owes you nothing.
     
    You are right that no one is acting from altruism. OTOH, white men taking these jobs (if they actually exist—the article seems poorly sourced) aren't doing it expecting "rescue". They're just looking for a job and domestic employers increasing won't take them. So it's one of their decreasing options. Taking it doesn't mean they are "stupid". It means they're taking a chance fate has dealt them.
  23. Acquiring that by buying companies will be difficult under President-elect Joe Biden, who is expected to continue the crackdown on Chinese acquisitions.

    President Zhou Bai Dien will continue only whatever crackdowns Xi Jinping wants him to continue. His successor Cameltoe will have the same boss. Basically, what Harry Baldwin said, but I wanted to use “Zhou Bai Dien”.

    The Chinese visiting scholar/post-doc scams are continuing apace. I just talked to a guy at the park who told me how he must be careful about writing emails with his Chinese name on the project, but he will stay here working. His Mom is going back to China and his Mother-in-Law will arrive with only a 2-day gap to continue the baby-sitting using her, what is it, BS-1 Visa? There is no quarantining to go on on this end, unless they are just using these post-docs’ houses as the quarantine site. They are all glad Mr. Bai Dien has been supposedly elected.

    There is a local preacher at a Chinese Church which is losing members due to the Kung Flu. Nope, they are not leaving town, just the Church, but the preacher is re-applying for a work visa to stay in the country. Work visas, you know, cause preaching in a Chinese Church in Chinese is a job Americans just can’t do. (Ever thought about the parishioners learning English?)

    • Replies: @Elli
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I have seen help wanted ads in an English language local Indian (east) paper, looking for a domestic worker/ nanny who cooks a particular regional style and speaks three particular languages. Similar for restaurant workers.

    Were they looking for someone already here, or proving that they had unsuccessfully advertised so they could bring someone in on a visa?

    Lots of elderly grandparents living with their Indian and Chinese families here.

    Replies: @Dave from Oz

    , @Funguy
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Trust me. These people are smart and know or will learn English. Even the various Spanish/Hispanic type who speak their native tongue switch back and forth.

  24. @Kaz
    Eh I'm not seeing that happen..

    This is kind of ignoring how this rebalancing is happening.

    They aren't firing older competent white guys, they're just hiring less young white guys in proportion in their newer batches..

    Which is not a big deal these white guys just work at smaller satellite tech companies, that end up getting swallowed up by incumbent corps at a massive premium, and they get rewarded for it massively with their equity positions vesting.

    Shit needs to get done, these aren't government organizations, the money will run out if they don't remain productive.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Ben tillman, @Another German Reader, @Supply and Demand, @VivaLaMigra

    They aren’t firing older competent white guys

    You know nothing about this topic. Age discrimination is legendary in high tech, and something I can personally attest to from my job searches over the years and ability to hide how old I am once I realized I needed to do that in my mid-30s. It should take any honest person very little time with a search engine to find a multitude of examples of older workers being required to teach their Indian replacements their jobs as a condition of getting severance pay. In many sectors, from a unit of the California state government, a university if I’m remembering correctly, to Disney.

    • Replies: @Kaz
    @That Would Be Telling

    That has nothing to do with demographic quotas.

  25. You will just end up with lots of women and minority decorations on boards and in senior management but the heavy lifting will still be done by White men in the background.

    It has been happening for decades in South Africa where public companies outsource work to consultants and subcontractors as highlighted by Kaz above.

    Corporate overlords are wily. They have done it before with green credentials, ethical and fair trade products (cocoa beans, coffee and tea), the Kimberley Process Certification Scheme (diamonds), and DRC conflict free (gold, tantalum, tin and tungsten) to placate gullible loony left types and the general public.

    As for the Chinese they have probably heard about W. Edwards Deming. He is a national folk hero in Japan.

  26. @JohnnyWalker123
    China isn't going to hire huge numbers of White guys permanently.

    The Chinese will hire a few temporarily, absorb their intellectual property and know-how, and then discard them.

    The Chinese may not have the English fluency necessary to take over major Western companies (as Indians H1bs are doing), but they have an even better plan. Steal their IP and start your own company. Given that the business environment is better in China (fewer regulations, no affirmative action, cheap labor, high productivity workforce), that's an astute strategy.

    Replies: @Jesse, @Elli, @Supply and Demand, @showmethereal

    China kicks most foreign workers out of the country when they reach 60.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Elli

    Oh crap! You mean commenter "Supply & Demand" might move back here. NOOOOO!!

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

  27. @Jesse
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Exactly. It's amazing how stupid the White men here are being. China doesn't love you. China won't rescue you. China owes you nothing.

    A major issue with this end of the right is that they always seem to assume that some behemoth is going to ride in and rescue the White man. First it was Russia. Now it's China. They're just as bad as everyone else looking abroad to solve internal problems.

    Replies: @Houston 1992, @Eugene Norman, @JohnPlywood, @Cagey Beast, @Anon, @Almost Missouri

    agreed.

    Huawei has a major facility in Stockholm across from Ericsson, and in the recent past , Huawei has recruited from the Ericsson castaways among other ex-Erics. Huawei may not discard the YT engineers the moment they have absorbed their expertise due to 1)Swedish employment laws 2) China, Inc wanting to put forth a friendly face to facilitate other investment, but only 2) might apply here in the USA and UK.

    btw China has managed Volvo better than Ford although much of Volvo’s revival was simply gaining unfettered access to its now largest market, viz, China

  28. @Achmed E. Newman

    Acquiring that by buying companies will be difficult under President-elect Joe Biden, who is expected to continue the crackdown on Chinese acquisitions.
     
    President Zhou Bai Dien will continue only whatever crackdowns Xi Jinping wants him to continue. His successor Cameltoe will have the same boss. Basically, what Harry Baldwin said, but I wanted to use "Zhou Bai Dien".

    The Chinese visiting scholar/post-doc scams are continuing apace. I just talked to a guy at the park who told me how he must be careful about writing emails with his Chinese name on the project, but he will stay here working. His Mom is going back to China and his Mother-in-Law will arrive with only a 2-day gap to continue the baby-sitting using her, what is it, BS-1 Visa? There is no quarantining to go on on this end, unless they are just using these post-docs' houses as the quarantine site. They are all glad Mr. Bai Dien has been supposedly elected.

    There is a local preacher at a Chinese Church which is losing members due to the Kung Flu. Nope, they are not leaving town, just the Church, but the preacher is re-applying for a work visa to stay in the country. Work visas, you know, cause preaching in a Chinese Church in Chinese is a job Americans just can't do. (Ever thought about the parishioners learning English?)

    Replies: @Elli, @Funguy

    I have seen help wanted ads in an English language local Indian (east) paper, looking for a domestic worker/ nanny who cooks a particular regional style and speaks three particular languages. Similar for restaurant workers.

    Were they looking for someone already here, or proving that they had unsuccessfully advertised so they could bring someone in on a visa?

    Lots of elderly grandparents living with their Indian and Chinese families here.

    • Replies: @Dave from Oz
    @Elli


    Lots of elderly grandparents living with their Indian and Chinese families here.

     

    They are not grandparents. They are slaves. Literal, actual slaves. Indentured servants, call it whatever you like. They just put "grandparent" down on the Visa. They don't speak english, they are not allowed to leave the house, and they get beaten if they don't work.

    Particularly common among the Jains, because of the crazy complex religious dietary requirements. Only another Jain can correctly cook for a Jain family.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  29. Lauren Silva Laughlin writes:

    “Some of those hitting the streets, résumé in hand, will have value for the right employer….Poaching talent is easier and, in some cases, may be more efficient.”

    She’s so moneyball, and she don’t even know it.

  30. @Kronos
    Jee, I wonder what China could do with so many high IQ hard working men? What happened the last time when the best and brightest were driven off to another country? Can anyone remember?

    https://antinuclearinfo.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/manhattan-project.gif

    Also, how are Japanese corporations on the Woke scale?

    Replies: @Gross Terry, @Anonymous, @The Alarmist, @Alfa158, @Hypnotoad666

    I dunno … if the Chinese hired the same sort who led the Manhattan Project, her days might be just as numbered as those of the West.

  31. @Kaz
    Eh I'm not seeing that happen..

    This is kind of ignoring how this rebalancing is happening.

    They aren't firing older competent white guys, they're just hiring less young white guys in proportion in their newer batches..

    Which is not a big deal these white guys just work at smaller satellite tech companies, that end up getting swallowed up by incumbent corps at a massive premium, and they get rewarded for it massively with their equity positions vesting.

    Shit needs to get done, these aren't government organizations, the money will run out if they don't remain productive.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Ben tillman, @Another German Reader, @Supply and Demand, @VivaLaMigra

    Wrong. The money will run out when the oil runs out. They don’t produce jack shit.

  32. Well ain’t that just swell…

  33. This article marks a low standard for journalists.

    It has:

    1. No evidence for any of its claims, not even cherry-picked examples.

    2. No evidence that unemployed white people are headed to China.

  34. @Jesse
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Exactly. It's amazing how stupid the White men here are being. China doesn't love you. China won't rescue you. China owes you nothing.

    A major issue with this end of the right is that they always seem to assume that some behemoth is going to ride in and rescue the White man. First it was Russia. Now it's China. They're just as bad as everyone else looking abroad to solve internal problems.

    Replies: @Houston 1992, @Eugene Norman, @JohnPlywood, @Cagey Beast, @Anon, @Almost Missouri

    Exactly. It’s amazing how stupid the White men here are being. China doesn’t love you. China won’t rescue you. China owes you nothing.

    So what? if they can hoover up some talent that’s discarded in the US they will do it.

    That’s another reason why the US Empire is accelerating its decline. It relies on male white and Asian, mostly Chinese, talent to produce its STEM output but it attacks both of them, from the left (white and male privilege) and the Chinese from the right (disloyal spies). The latter charge will increase over time. Chinese students will bear the brunt of it and probably stop coming, but even Chinese Americans will be suspect if the new Cold War accelerates. If Chinese students aren’t doing the stem subjects and white Americans are discouraged to, this means the acceleration of grievance studies that will no doubt keep the empire alive for generations to come. I’m looking forward to non phallic shaped missiles myself.

    Also, it may not happen but an alliance between China and European nationalists would do a lot to scupper the transatlantic alliance.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Eugene Norman

    Eugene, Chinese students (by the 100's of thousands a year) NEED to stop coming. President Trump was on the right track with that. Even discounting the occasional spy and the myriad intellectual property thieves, these grad students take positions that were formerly manned (occasionally even womaned) by perfectly capable Americans. No matter what the Russkie AnonInTennessee will tell you, I know, as I was there.

    While we're at it, we don't need any more •Indians coming either. Ooops, our bi-partisan Congress just unanimously (with no vote just goodwill) passed a bill to go full balls-to-the-wall Indian "tech" immigration. Bi-partisanship has come to mean evil lately.

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian

    , @Jack D
    @Eugene Norman


    Also, it may not happen but an alliance between China and European nationalists would do a lot to scupper the transatlantic alliance.
     
    Dream on - not going to happen in any of the important European countries. If some marginal member of the alliance like Hungary decides to make an unwise alliance with a dictator (wouldn't be the first time) it would make no difference to the transatlantic alliance. We can get by nicely without the Hungarian Navy, thank you.

    The one alliance that would be most threatening to NATO would be a Chinese-Russian alliance. But China and Russia are natural competitors and not natural allies so Chinese-Russian alliances tend to be very short lived. Even if both countries are ruled by similar dictators, the fundamental national interests are at odds with each other and those prevail over the affinity of dictators for each other. Dictators don't really have much affinity for other countries anyway unless they can own them.
    , @showmethereal
    @Eugene Norman

    Very good point. Even before the Trump/Navarro/Rubio/Cruz sponsored crack down - 80% of Chinese students had started returning - simply because there are lots of opportunity at home - especially if you have experience dealing with the west. It will be interesting in the next few years to see if the percentage returning goes over 90% or if it stays the same - or will the students just stop going to the US as much in the first place.

  35. There has been an unfair and destructive loss of employment over decades due to Affirmative Action, which cannot be what they’re talking about because the lyingpress has commited to not discussing it, plus here they’re talking about something new, and which might not have happened yet. Do they mention white people getting a job because Chinese people are so unwilling to trust Chinese people that decorating your board room with Caucasian improves your business chances?

  36. The Chinese are open to foreigners and also to Americans. On the other hand, they are not used to pay what American expatriates expect. Americans may find good jobs in the Middle East. For an American, who cannot speak and read Chinese, it is almost impossible to function in China. My daughter worked for an architects office in Shanghai and returned to Israel frustrated. The Jesuits understood this and opened a Chinese language school in Makao before starting their campaign in China. Once they learnt Chinese, they were very successful and Father Ricci almost converted the Emperor and the whole country. An American Jew was even promoted to the Politburo, he spoke better literate Chinese than Mao, who was a peasant.

  37. @Anonymous
    Communist led corporations hiring angry, bitter white men who are chock full of proprietary information from their former employer!

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy, @Thulean Friend, @Anon, @Anon87

    It is called reap what you sow for our corporate masters.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Old and Grumpy

    I want the managerial elite crushed. Sent to relieve the Uyghers. I won't benefit from this Chinese takeover, but I will enjoy seeing weasels ruined.

  38. Good for the unemployed white man. Glad someone appreciates their abstract thinking skills and work ethic. Pity we’re stuck importing robo Chinese and con Indians. Also guessing the Chinese elite are tired of buying their corner cutting crap just like the rest of us. Sad thing is the Chinese will get the best of our DNA, while we’ll be getting blacked. In that respect globohomo wins, and that really is sad.

  39. @Anonymous
    @Kronos

    Those were almost entirely Jews who designed that bomb, just saying.

    On the other hand, white goys are pretty good at military applications.

    This seems like more of the unintended consequences of anti-Whitism. Jews have created PC, which is a kind of HIV that destroys immune systems of whites on a society level. So now opportunistic infections are using this to attack. The Chinese profit from the anti-Whitism via immigration and now, via hiring white victims of anti-Whitism, to improve the profitability of their companies. It's all so tiresome.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Mr. Anon

    Those were almost entirely Jews who designed that bomb, just saying.

    You have no idea what you’re talking about. Which seems to be par for the course in this comment section…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @JohnPlywood

    https://eteconline.org/news/jewish-scientists-played-a-key-role-in-the-manhattan-project/

    Ok, who were the goys involved in designing the bomb? Particularly, essential parts of the process.

    Having learned quite a bit about the creation of the bomb and then learned about who was Jewish at a much later date, it surprised me.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

  40. I dont see a lot of white people moving to China (Chinese companies in America are of course subject to the same antiwhite discrimination laws as US companies). What I see is America’s companies losing their edge vis-a-vis Chinese companies (this is already happening actually)

    • Agree: showmethereal
  41. @Jesse
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Exactly. It's amazing how stupid the White men here are being. China doesn't love you. China won't rescue you. China owes you nothing.

    A major issue with this end of the right is that they always seem to assume that some behemoth is going to ride in and rescue the White man. First it was Russia. Now it's China. They're just as bad as everyone else looking abroad to solve internal problems.

    Replies: @Houston 1992, @Eugene Norman, @JohnPlywood, @Cagey Beast, @Anon, @Almost Missouri

    White woman cope

  42. Why would I be inclined to buy products or services from a company whose hiring policy is, “I did not hire you because you know how to do the job. I hired you because I needed a black, female LGBT+ person to fill out my quota.”

  43. @Jesse
    @JackOH

    Finland isn't recruiting White guys. They're importing tech workers to drag wages down and avoid doing the hard work of growing their own. Or do Finnish and Chinese workers deserve to have their bargaining power diluted?

    Replies: @JackOH, @Daniel Chieh

    Jesse, I read The Guardian article mentioned in comment #5 above before my own comment. You’re right that it’s not clear whether the American and Canadian applicants are White dudes or, maybe, resident West Asians moving on to a new gig.

  44. @Steve Sailer
    @Gross Terry

    One of my late readers' dad was, with Sakharov, the inventor of the Soviet H Bomb.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @black sea

    I went to high school with Oppenheimer’s great nephew. Perfect score on the SAT, back when that meant something.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @black sea

    What happened to him?

    Replies: @black sea

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @black sea


    I went to high school with Oppenheimer’s great nephew.
     
    One of my son's classmates was Albert Einstein's grandson. He was a very smart kid (fixed our computer once), but I have to wonder if it's a bit of a burden going through life with the expectations that come with literally being an "Einstein."

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Buzz Mohawk, @Jomoga, @TWS

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @black sea

    "I went to high school with Oppenheimer's great nephew"

    I went to junior high school with one of Bobby Seale's bastard sons. He punched me in the back of my head. Never turn your back on black.

    , @Kronos
    @black sea

    Was he ever bullied and had his dick painted green?

    https://www.amazon.com/Robert-Oppenheimer-Life-Inside-Center/dp/0385722044/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=Oppenheimer&qid=1609099018&sr=8-6


    At the camp Oppenheimer became the victim of increasingly vicious bullying. The other boys called him “Cutie” and mocked him for writing to his parents every day and for reading poetry. In one of his letters home Oppenheimer, perhaps trying to give the entirely false impression that he was mixing well with the other boys, told his parents that he was glad to be at the camp because he was learning a great deal from his fellow campers, especially about sex. This brought his enraged parents hurriedly to the camp, where his father demanded that the camp director do something about the spread of smut among the boys. When the camp director duly announced that disciplinary measures would be taken against those caught telling dirty stories, the boys sought their revenge on the telltale who had betrayed them. One evening, while taking a walk, Oppenheimer was captured and dragged to the icehouse, where he was stripped, his buttocks and genitals were painted green and he was tied up and left alone.
     
    I have this mental image of Oppenheimer yelling “you’ll be sorry! I’ll make you sorry! I’ll become the destroyer of worlds you motherfuckers!”

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Anonymous
    @black sea


    I went to high school with Oppenheimer’s great nephew. Perfect score on the SAT, back when that meant something.
     
    Senator Chuck Schumer got a perfect SAT score as well.


    https://veryersatznews.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/chuck-schumer-young-chuck.jpeg

     

    Or did he?

    Did Senator Schumer really get a perfect 1600 SAT score?

    Steve Sailer
    06/04/2013

    https://vdare.com/posts/did-senator-schumer-really-get-a-perfect-1600-sat-score

     

  45. @BB753
    As long as those old white men aren't recycled in a meat plant for food..

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @SunBakedSuburb

    As long as those old white men aren’t recycled in a meat plant for food.

    “Soylent Gleen is peopoo!”

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @Jack Armstrong
    @Reg Cæsar

    Soy- Rent? Does it come with egg roll?

    Replies: @Anonymous

  46. Economic research firm Sonecon put the price of intellectual capital of U.S. companies at $9.2 trillion in 2011. Acquiring that by buying companies will be difficult under President-elect Joe Biden, who is expected to continue the crackdown on Chinese acquisitions.

    Ownership of productive capacity in other countries is not how it works. In the US the Chinese (and their investors like Buffet getting 600% returns) buy basic infrastructure such as supermarkets and ports, they only buy factories in the US to harvest the American government money for Green grants for electric buses ECT.

    To acquire the innovations of US companies will be easy as pie under Biden who is the man from Fortune 500 capital Wilmington Delaware where most big corporations are based, but only on paper. Those companies want in on the burgeoning Chinese market and the price of admission is a joint venture in China, which Wall Street will throw money at them for, whereby the Chinese get a cutting edge factory with Chinese workers trained up to US standards in innovative technology. America is inventive because of its autonomy, diversity, failure tolerance and the recombination of knowledge. When the fruits of US society are added to China’s economies of scale and work discipline, the result will be unbeatable.

    The Chinese are not going to invest in building up US productive capacity. It is much more the case that US investment is going to flow into China along with the intellectual capital of America. Robert Reich actually warned the other week against Pandemic stimulus money being given to US corporations and Wall Street without assurances it will not be used for foreign ventures.

  47. @Redneck farmer
    So will we see articles on racist Chinese preferring to work with white Americans instead of black Africans?

    Replies: @Morton's toes

    It is alternately amusing and horrifying to talk with Chinese people about negroes. They drop plenty of cash on Lebron James and Beyonce though. The highlight of 2019 in the NBA was definitely James Harden apologizing to the Chinese nation and the Chinese race about his unfortunate inadvertent anti-China tweet when what he wrote was more milk toast than comparing Xi with Winnie the Pooh.

    They had a podium presentation and it looked like there were eighty press lackeys covering Harden supplicating for forgiveness.

  48. @Jesse
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Exactly. It's amazing how stupid the White men here are being. China doesn't love you. China won't rescue you. China owes you nothing.

    A major issue with this end of the right is that they always seem to assume that some behemoth is going to ride in and rescue the White man. First it was Russia. Now it's China. They're just as bad as everyone else looking abroad to solve internal problems.

    Replies: @Houston 1992, @Eugene Norman, @JohnPlywood, @Cagey Beast, @Anon, @Almost Missouri

    The article was published by Reuters and most likely written by a White girl. Where do you get the idea this is the collective daydream of a bunch of right-wing White guys? This is just some people at Reuters having a laugh at our expense.

  49. @Kronos
    Jee, I wonder what China could do with so many high IQ hard working men? What happened the last time when the best and brightest were driven off to another country? Can anyone remember?

    https://antinuclearinfo.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/manhattan-project.gif

    Also, how are Japanese corporations on the Woke scale?

    Replies: @Gross Terry, @Anonymous, @The Alarmist, @Alfa158, @Hypnotoad666

    Historical footnote, that photo is not of the bomb itself. At one point the designers wanted to make sure that in case the first test shot was a fizzle and the bomb didn’t go nuclear, the precious plutonium wouldn’t be scattered all over the test site by the conventional explosives that initiate the detonation. The plan was to put the test bomb inside Jumbo this gigantic steel containment vessel pictured. If the bomb worked, then Jumbo would be blown apart, if it fizzled they could collect the plutonium trapped by the vessel and build another bomb for the next try.
    Before the test the scientists became pretty confident that the bomb was going to work so they never used Jumbo.
    Eventually they detonated a conventional aerial bomb inside Jumbo in an attempt to break it up for scrap, (and let’s face it because it was cool to see what would happen. Here is another test atomic scientists ran probably just because it was fun to find out what would happen if you pitted an atomic bomb against a steel bowling ball:

    ). You can still see the battered hulk of Jumbo on the two days a year the Trinity test site is open to visitors.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Alfa158

    I just chose it because it was crudely “hiding” under a blanket. What can those dirty white racists be working on?

    , @duncsbaby
    @Alfa158

    Hoo boy is that guy's Scottish accent distracting. Hey, I'm half Scottish myself but damn, that country needs a minister of elocution.

  50. @notsaying
    Would the Chinese companies make the Americans move over there or allow them to keep working here? Would they pay them a Chinese or American style salary and benefits package?

    A lot of talk in this country about needing lots of foreign talent is bogus -- an excuse made by cheap labor employers or a way to get out of hiring qualified Americans -- but evidently not in Finland. I saw this last night at the Guardian.

    "Finland has received more than 5,300 applications in a month for a groundbreaking scheme offering foreign tech workers and their families the chance to relocate to the Nordic country for 90 days to see if they want to make the move permanent."

    Maybe some of the laid off American men can go to Europe. That is a lot better than China.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/25/thousands-apply-to-be-a-finn-for-90-days-in-migration-scheme

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @botazefa, @Supply and Demand, @Inquiring Mind

    Finland is currently entering a stage of social instability and rot brought on by its relatively late mimicry of the multi-culti gynocratic wokeness agenda. I wouldn’t want to subject myself to viewing that movie twice in a row.

  51. @Kaz
    Eh I'm not seeing that happen..

    This is kind of ignoring how this rebalancing is happening.

    They aren't firing older competent white guys, they're just hiring less young white guys in proportion in their newer batches..

    Which is not a big deal these white guys just work at smaller satellite tech companies, that end up getting swallowed up by incumbent corps at a massive premium, and they get rewarded for it massively with their equity positions vesting.

    Shit needs to get done, these aren't government organizations, the money will run out if they don't remain productive.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Ben tillman, @Another German Reader, @Supply and Demand, @VivaLaMigra

    It’s still additional cost, which the competition in E/SE-Asia, Russia etc. does not have.

    It’s still additional coordination-cost between “external” consultant/teams and the “official” roster.

    It’s still additional OPSEC cost in age of easy espionage.

    There is still the problem of PoC/Diverse management making decisions.

  52. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Steve Sailer


    ... the inventor of ...
     
    Steve, please.

    That's like saying somebody who worked for Glenn Curtiss "invented" the airplane.

    Your late reader's dad wasn't an inventor, he was a copier working for a copier, and you know that. Not that there is anything belittling about this. Most of us couldn't copy his shoes, much less what he did.

    But please, "inventor" ?! No.

    BTW, my dad hung out after work at a bar in Long Beach with the guy who perfected the Super Ball for Wham-O (which also was invented or discovered by somebody else) so there.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    the inventor of the Soviet H Bomb.

    We invented the nuclear fission A-Bomb and it probably wasn’t too hard for the Soviets to copy it, especially with help from Fuchs and the Rosenburgs, et al.

    We and the Soviets more or less simultaneously co-invented the thermonuclear H-Bomb. But an H-Bomb is comparatively “easy” once you already have an A-Bomb. You basically just set off the A-Bomb inside a bunch of deuterium and it starts the fusion reaction. (Caveat: that’s a vast oversimplification and I actually don’t really know what I’m talking about of course.)

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Hypnotoad666

    Thank you for clarifying this. I now understand that I'm wrong about the "H" part, but that I'm right about the crucial "A" part that came from here. The core bomb, as you accurately describe it, was developed in America during the Manhattan Project, which was infested with spies.

    This is analogous to the solution to powered flight, which the Wrights found and developed and was copied by people like Glenn Curtiss. Wilbur and Orville didn't build jets but even jets today still use the same core solution to the problem of flight that the Brothers invented.

    However, your caveat also applies to my comment: "That’s a vast oversimplification and I actually don’t really know what I’m talking about."

    BTW they used to make all those core A-bombs at the Rocky Flats Nuclear Weapons Plant, just down the road from Boulder and from my home town. My junior high physics class went on a field trip there, which was pretty cool.

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Hypnotoad666


    But an H-Bomb is comparatively “easy” once you already have an A-Bomb. You basically just set off the A-Bomb inside a bunch of deuterium and it starts the fusion reaction. (Caveat: that’s a vast oversimplification and I actually don’t really know what I’m talking about of course.)
     
    Not sure that's entirely right about being easy, except to get to the point of a working enriched uranium or reactor bred plutonium implosion fission device you learn a lot of what you need to make a fusion device once you have the Teller-Ulam, "Sakharov's 'Third Idea'" (he had lots of help) etc. insight.

    Both use an implosion principle, but in the former, you're arranging all the explosives around your fissionable material to implode it just so, while in the latter you've got your fission device at one end of the complete device, like this:

    ==== o

    So apparently you have to for example use magic materials arranged in some magical sort of way (this is probably still the most classified detail about staged fusion devices) so that when you press very hard, enough to fuse deuterium and tritium bred on the spot from lithium, it's all pressed with sufficient symmetry.

    The Manhattan Project used at least one really wild trick to make sure our implosion fission devices were sufficiently symmetric, a highly radioactive isotope of course bred in the reactors we'd developed to capture on very quickly moving! film the implosion process. Thus part of our confidence to not use Jumbo in the first test.

    Per Wikipedia, the PRC took only 32 months to go from their first fission to first Teller-Ulam fusion device, but so little is known or unclassified about their program we don't know how or why/ Although it's said the Soviets helped them a lot with their projects, but that ceased by 1960, 4 and 7 years before they got their own devices working. I suppose extra impressive because Mao's Cultural Revolution killed, maimed, or otherwise persecuted 4,000 people in the nuclear weapons program by 1971, although perhaps it didn't get intense until they'd succeeded with their fusion device.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Hypnotoad666


    You basically just set off the A-Bomb inside a bunch of deuterium and it starts the fusion reaction.
     
    It must be harder than that because neither Pakistan or India have a working H-Bomb even though they have an A-Bomb.

    On the other hand, North Korea appears to have an actual two-stage thermonuclear device that could be mounted on a ballistic missile; look at that device being examined by Dear Leader.

    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/09/03/gettyimages-842003638_wide-11c84a7189b169c496053234219a4d24bc6f040e.jpg
    , @Philip Owen
    @Hypnotoad666

    The UK and Canada handed over the A bomb to the US.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @JMcG

  53. @black sea
    @Steve Sailer

    I went to high school with Oppenheimer's great nephew. Perfect score on the SAT, back when that meant something.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @SunBakedSuburb, @Kronos, @Anonymous

    What happened to him?

    • Replies: @black sea
    @anonymous

    He's a math professor at a non-elite state university.

  54. Anon[111] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    @JackOH

    That's due to a combination of credentialism, age discrimination, and over usage of H1bs.

    White-collar downward mobility is surprisingly common in the US. You first started to see it in the early 90s ("downsizing"), but it really kicked into overdrive during the 2000s.

    If you're a middle-aged White-collar worker with"holes" in your resume, you're screwed. You're doubly screwed if you lack a college degree.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anonymous

    Downsizing was the result of older Boomers males beginning to reach management positions, who then proceeded to lay off all the older Silent Generation males in the name of cost-cutting, but also to empty all those jobs so their younger Boomer siblings could get them. The Boomer managers weren’t comfortable with employees older and wiser than they were–and more ethical.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Anon

    Also, those same managers, when they were done with those jobs, rather than pass them on as they had been passed to them, handed them over to less qualified PoCs so they could congratulate themselves on being "diverse". And here we are.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  55. @Reg Cæsar
    @BB753


    As long as those old white men aren’t recycled in a meat plant for food.
     
    "Soylent Gleen is peopoo!"

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong

    Soy- Rent? Does it come with egg roll?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack Armstrong

    The destruction of our people is such a hee-haw, isn’t it?

    And young White men have the bleakest future of all. What clever jokes can we make about that?

    What wonderful stewards we’ve been!

  56. Really, REALLY BAD SHIT happens when the USA drives out people who know stuff.

    • Thanks: epebble
    • Replies: @epebble
    @Joe Stalin

    Same S*** happened with Wen Ho Lee, he suffered but still decided to stay (though he ended up getting an apology and $1.6 million settlement from Feds).

  57. @Hypnotoad666
    @Buzz Mohawk


    the inventor of the Soviet H Bomb.
     
    We invented the nuclear fission A-Bomb and it probably wasn't too hard for the Soviets to copy it, especially with help from Fuchs and the Rosenburgs, et al.

    We and the Soviets more or less simultaneously co-invented the thermonuclear H-Bomb. But an H-Bomb is comparatively "easy" once you already have an A-Bomb. You basically just set off the A-Bomb inside a bunch of deuterium and it starts the fusion reaction. (Caveat: that's a vast oversimplification and I actually don't really know what I'm talking about of course.)

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @That Would Be Telling, @Joe Stalin, @Philip Owen

    Thank you for clarifying this. I now understand that I’m wrong about the “H” part, but that I’m right about the crucial “A” part that came from here. The core bomb, as you accurately describe it, was developed in America during the Manhattan Project, which was infested with spies.

    This is analogous to the solution to powered flight, which the Wrights found and developed and was copied by people like Glenn Curtiss. Wilbur and Orville didn’t build jets but even jets today still use the same core solution to the problem of flight that the Brothers invented.

    However, your caveat also applies to my comment: “That’s a vast oversimplification and I actually don’t really know what I’m talking about.”

    BTW they used to make all those core A-bombs at the Rocky Flats Nuclear Weapons Plant, just down the road from Boulder and from my home town. My junior high physics class went on a field trip there, which was pretty cool.

  58. @Gross Terry
    @Kronos

    american jews played a much larger role in the soviet nuclear weapon program, than the american one.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Kronos, @Larry, San Francisco, @Malcolm X-Lax

    I think this is a bit overblown. Of the top scientists of the bomb there was Fermi who was not Jewish (but a refugee from Fascism with a Jewish wife) but then there then there was Oppenheimer, Teller, Szilard and Von Neuman. The scientist who first realized the potential power of fission was the German Jewish scientist Lise Meitner who had to flee from the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute and told her nephew Otto Frisch who with (Rudolph Peierls another German Jewish physicist) developed the theory of how to create a nuclear explosion.
    I bet on the lower level many working on the bomb were also Jewish like Feynman. I went to U. of Chicago and several of my friends parents and grandparents who worked at Argonne and Fermilab had earlier worked on the Manhattan project. Most but not all of them were Jews. One interesting exception was a gentile friend of mine whose grandfather was a student of Heisenberg and who he, after his Jewish colleagues were expelled, got into a huge tiff with. After this he fled Germany and ended up working on the Manhattan project.
    I am not sure how the Russian bomb could have been any more Jewish. My guess is that because of post war Soviet anti-Semitism it wasn’t except at the high level where you need the smartest people

    • Replies: @Gross Terry
    @Larry, San Francisco


    I am not sure how the Russian bomb could have been any more Jewish
     
    Especially if you include the American spies.
  59. @BB753
    As long as those old white men aren't recycled in a meat plant for food..

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @SunBakedSuburb

    “discarded human capital”

    Thanks, corporatism.

    • Agree: BB753
  60. https://limacharlienews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Asian-Organized-Crime-Canada.pdf

    https://complyadvantage.com/knowledgebase/vancouver-money-laundering-model/#:~:text=The%20Vancouver%20Model%20is%20a,regulatory%20approach%20to%20financial%20crime.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-asias-drug-kingpin-laid-groundwork-for-empire-in-toronto/

    https://www.burnabynow.com/local-news/richmond-mp-denies-representing-alleged-chinese-cartel-member-3101946

    https://themobmuseum.org/blog/chinese-triads-launder-billions-through-vancouver-buying-luxury-real-estate-cars/

    Are law enforcement bodies deliberately undereporting East Asian white collar and organized crime and overreporting white crime? And how is this affecting crime statistics as far as Asians vs. whites, maybe the police and prosecutors prefer to target white junkies since they are easier targets to prosecute and arrest than Asian gangs, since they are more often than not lone operators or at most, in groups of 2 and 3 and are not as sophisticated and organized in their operations as the Asian gangs, and hence easier to find enough evidence to get an arrest or search warrant.

  61. @black sea
    @Steve Sailer

    I went to high school with Oppenheimer's great nephew. Perfect score on the SAT, back when that meant something.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @SunBakedSuburb, @Kronos, @Anonymous

    I went to high school with Oppenheimer’s great nephew.

    One of my son’s classmates was Albert Einstein’s grandson. He was a very smart kid (fixed our computer once), but I have to wonder if it’s a bit of a burden going through life with the expectations that come with literally being an “Einstein.”

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Hypnotoad666

    "One of my son's classmates was Albert Einstein's grandson"

    One of my daughter's classmates was the grandson of Jack Kirby. I mean, I wish that was true. I did attend junior high school with one of Bobby Seale's many discarded children who punched me in the back of my head. I wish that wasn't true.

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Hypnotoad666

    Steve should do a post opening a comment section about "Interesting People's Descendants We've Known." The topic pops up a lot around here, and it is perhaps somewhat HBD-related.

    He did once do something about how many handshakes one can go back in history, that sort of thing.

    Replies: @JMcG

    , @Jomoga
    @Hypnotoad666

    "I'm no Einstein but ..."

    , @TWS
    @Hypnotoad666

    I don't know. I used to see a grandson of Groucho Marx almost daily. Guy looked just like him but he never smiled and never said anything remotely funny.

  62. @black sea
    @Steve Sailer

    I went to high school with Oppenheimer's great nephew. Perfect score on the SAT, back when that meant something.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @SunBakedSuburb, @Kronos, @Anonymous

    “I went to high school with Oppenheimer’s great nephew”

    I went to junior high school with one of Bobby Seale’s bastard sons. He punched me in the back of my head. Never turn your back on black.

  63. @Anonymous
    Communist led corporations hiring angry, bitter white men who are chock full of proprietary information from their former employer!

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy, @Thulean Friend, @Anon, @Anon87

    Resentful manoids are a security threat to the newly diverse America.

  64. @Hypnotoad666
    @Buzz Mohawk


    the inventor of the Soviet H Bomb.
     
    We invented the nuclear fission A-Bomb and it probably wasn't too hard for the Soviets to copy it, especially with help from Fuchs and the Rosenburgs, et al.

    We and the Soviets more or less simultaneously co-invented the thermonuclear H-Bomb. But an H-Bomb is comparatively "easy" once you already have an A-Bomb. You basically just set off the A-Bomb inside a bunch of deuterium and it starts the fusion reaction. (Caveat: that's a vast oversimplification and I actually don't really know what I'm talking about of course.)

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @That Would Be Telling, @Joe Stalin, @Philip Owen

    But an H-Bomb is comparatively “easy” once you already have an A-Bomb. You basically just set off the A-Bomb inside a bunch of deuterium and it starts the fusion reaction. (Caveat: that’s a vast oversimplification and I actually don’t really know what I’m talking about of course.)

    Not sure that’s entirely right about being easy, except to get to the point of a working enriched uranium or reactor bred plutonium implosion fission device you learn a lot of what you need to make a fusion device once you have the Teller-Ulam, “Sakharov’s ‘Third Idea’” (he had lots of help) etc. insight.

    Both use an implosion principle, but in the former, you’re arranging all the explosives around your fissionable material to implode it just so, while in the latter you’ve got your fission device at one end of the complete device, like this:

    ==== o

    So apparently you have to for example use magic materials arranged in some magical sort of way (this is probably still the most classified detail about staged fusion devices) so that when you press very hard, enough to fuse deuterium and tritium bred on the spot from lithium, it’s all pressed with sufficient symmetry.

    The Manhattan Project used at least one really wild trick to make sure our implosion fission devices were sufficiently symmetric, a highly radioactive isotope of course bred in the reactors we’d developed to capture on very quickly moving! film the implosion process. Thus part of our confidence to not use Jumbo in the first test.

    Per Wikipedia, the PRC took only 32 months to go from their first fission to first Teller-Ulam fusion device, but so little is known or unclassified about their program we don’t know how or why/ Although it’s said the Soviets helped them a lot with their projects, but that ceased by 1960, 4 and 7 years before they got their own devices working. I suppose extra impressive because Mao’s Cultural Revolution killed, maimed, or otherwise persecuted 4,000 people in the nuclear weapons program by 1971, although perhaps it didn’t get intense until they’d succeeded with their fusion device.

    • Thanks: Hypnotoad666
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @That Would Be Telling

    The Manhattan Project really has to go down as one of the greatest technological feats of any civilization. Starting from the barest theoretical concepts of the physics in '42 we figured out how to enrich the fuel, and design and build an operational bomb in just three years.

    Now it would take that long just to do the environmental impact statements.

    Replies: @notsaying, @JMcG

  65. @Hypnotoad666
    @black sea


    I went to high school with Oppenheimer’s great nephew.
     
    One of my son's classmates was Albert Einstein's grandson. He was a very smart kid (fixed our computer once), but I have to wonder if it's a bit of a burden going through life with the expectations that come with literally being an "Einstein."

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Buzz Mohawk, @Jomoga, @TWS

    “One of my son’s classmates was Albert Einstein’s grandson”

    One of my daughter’s classmates was the grandson of Jack Kirby. I mean, I wish that was true. I did attend junior high school with one of Bobby Seale’s many discarded children who punched me in the back of my head. I wish that wasn’t true.

  66. “ Acquiring that by buying companies will be difficult under President-elect Joe Biden, who is expected to continue the crackdown on Chinese acquisitions. ”

    Lol!! Even by the standards of our brain dead press, this is laughably stupid. It will be open season for China. They can buy whatever they want. Any tariffs Trump put in place will be removed. Immigration from China will be essentially unlimited.

  67. To the East, young…ups, old man!

  68. And, not just existing proprietary information, but also the creative capacity to develop NEW information. In the field of “org syn” (organic synthesis; developing new medicines), the tedious, fastidious “bench work” is farmed-out to China, but it is creatively directed by white guys back in the U.S.

  69. @Hypnotoad666
    @black sea


    I went to high school with Oppenheimer’s great nephew.
     
    One of my son's classmates was Albert Einstein's grandson. He was a very smart kid (fixed our computer once), but I have to wonder if it's a bit of a burden going through life with the expectations that come with literally being an "Einstein."

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Buzz Mohawk, @Jomoga, @TWS

    Steve should do a post opening a comment section about “Interesting People’s Descendants We’ve Known.” The topic pops up a lot around here, and it is perhaps somewhat HBD-related.

    He did once do something about how many handshakes one can go back in history, that sort of thing.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Well I spent a few hours on a train with Kelly Le Brock’s first cousin. Completely gorgeous and with a lovely Scots accent. I probably should have quit my job and kept riding that train.

  70. @notsaying
    Would the Chinese companies make the Americans move over there or allow them to keep working here? Would they pay them a Chinese or American style salary and benefits package?

    A lot of talk in this country about needing lots of foreign talent is bogus -- an excuse made by cheap labor employers or a way to get out of hiring qualified Americans -- but evidently not in Finland. I saw this last night at the Guardian.

    "Finland has received more than 5,300 applications in a month for a groundbreaking scheme offering foreign tech workers and their families the chance to relocate to the Nordic country for 90 days to see if they want to make the move permanent."

    Maybe some of the laid off American men can go to Europe. That is a lot better than China.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/25/thousands-apply-to-be-a-finn-for-90-days-in-migration-scheme

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @botazefa, @Supply and Demand, @Inquiring Mind

    Maybe some of the laid off American men can go to Europe. That is a lot better than China

    What becomes of the Americans who moved to Europe when NATO inevitably fails and China backs Russia?

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @botazefa

    I don't know. I can only say that they can always come back home. Although if NATO failed and China and Russia ganged up on us and Europe, we wouldn't be doing so well, either.

    , @Bill
    @botazefa

    They face less African immigration?

    , @Astuteobservor II
    @botazefa

    China still wants to trade and Russia still want to be European. I think NATO finally going kaput would help the security of Europe.

  71. @notsaying
    Would the Chinese companies make the Americans move over there or allow them to keep working here? Would they pay them a Chinese or American style salary and benefits package?

    A lot of talk in this country about needing lots of foreign talent is bogus -- an excuse made by cheap labor employers or a way to get out of hiring qualified Americans -- but evidently not in Finland. I saw this last night at the Guardian.

    "Finland has received more than 5,300 applications in a month for a groundbreaking scheme offering foreign tech workers and their families the chance to relocate to the Nordic country for 90 days to see if they want to make the move permanent."

    Maybe some of the laid off American men can go to Europe. That is a lot better than China.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/25/thousands-apply-to-be-a-finn-for-90-days-in-migration-scheme

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @botazefa, @Supply and Demand, @Inquiring Mind

    I had the unfortunate experience to spend 4 months in Kotka when my university in China wanted to develop a study-abroad program there. I can tell you unequivocally that the Chinese are warmer and more friendly than the Finns, and the Han are mostly unfriendly cold fuckers.

    • Replies: @Donald A Thomson
    @Supply and Demand

    Strange. All the Chinese I've met or worked with were friendly. So were all the Yanks. And Indians. And Vietnamese. And Iranians. And South Africans. And Indonesians. And Russians. And Japanese. And English. And Irish. Etc.

    The only unfriendly people I've ever met were French in Paris for 3 days in 1990 who, with one exception, refused to speak anything but English to me after wincing when they heard my French. The ones who were unfriendly in French were all friendly in English.

    Now that I think about it, there was one Chinese I worked with who seemed unfriendly. As he appeared to dislike me, that was perfectly reasonable. Some unimportant misunderstanding perhaps. [email protected]

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

  72. @Kaz
    Eh I'm not seeing that happen..

    This is kind of ignoring how this rebalancing is happening.

    They aren't firing older competent white guys, they're just hiring less young white guys in proportion in their newer batches..

    Which is not a big deal these white guys just work at smaller satellite tech companies, that end up getting swallowed up by incumbent corps at a massive premium, and they get rewarded for it massively with their equity positions vesting.

    Shit needs to get done, these aren't government organizations, the money will run out if they don't remain productive.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Ben tillman, @Another German Reader, @Supply and Demand, @VivaLaMigra

    China’s actively cultivating young talent in the US. I was first approached by my university’s Confucius Institute in grad school, well over a year before my university post offer that I got in Dalian.

    I was offered a tenure-track professorship in China in the last semester of grad school (pending my completion), and well before I went through the usual gamut of applying for Ed-tech jobs. I still applied for those jobs to test the market, but entry-level jobs at a tech startup don’t offer the same level of security and only half the salary of a Chinese university post, which I’ve occupied for a touch over 5 years now.

    Google “Thousand Talents Program”. That’s who recruited me, at least. I’m sure other such programs exist for American-Born Chinese, but TTP is for white guys.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @Supply and Demand

    Do you see yourself staying in China for much longer?

    I have seen negative things in the news about the Confucius Institute. I question if they should be allowed in the US. Now that the Chinese are becoming so aggressive and adding to their military might I am starting to rethink the idea of us providing them with high level knowledge here or abroad.

    What do you make of all this? The trends are not good.

    Replies: @3g4me

  73. @JohnnyWalker123
    China isn't going to hire huge numbers of White guys permanently.

    The Chinese will hire a few temporarily, absorb their intellectual property and know-how, and then discard them.

    The Chinese may not have the English fluency necessary to take over major Western companies (as Indians H1bs are doing), but they have an even better plan. Steal their IP and start your own company. Given that the business environment is better in China (fewer regulations, no affirmative action, cheap labor, high productivity workforce), that's an astute strategy.

    Replies: @Jesse, @Elli, @Supply and Demand, @showmethereal

    I’m routinely impressed with the increasing English ability of my students. 4 years ago, I’d say that most were roughly at a 6th/8th grade level coming into college. Now, I could teach my classes entirely in English if needed. They’re probably more literate in English than any blue-checked black “intellectual” in America at the moment.

    Leaps and bounds. That said, this is a top school. I can’t speak for what it’s like down the line — but at a certain extent, it’s irrelevant. The people that need to know how to speak English do, and quite well. Can’t say the same for Chinese literacy among Americans.

    • Replies: @Thea
    @Supply and Demand

    I hear Elizabeth Holmes is fluent in Mandarin and looking for work. She can fool them into thinking she is a man with her resonate baritone.

  74. @Alfa158
    @Kronos

    Historical footnote, that photo is not of the bomb itself. At one point the designers wanted to make sure that in case the first test shot was a fizzle and the bomb didn’t go nuclear, the precious plutonium wouldn’t be scattered all over the test site by the conventional explosives that initiate the detonation. The plan was to put the test bomb inside Jumbo this gigantic steel containment vessel pictured. If the bomb worked, then Jumbo would be blown apart, if it fizzled they could collect the plutonium trapped by the vessel and build another bomb for the next try.
    Before the test the scientists became pretty confident that the bomb was going to work so they never used Jumbo.
    Eventually they detonated a conventional aerial bomb inside Jumbo in an attempt to break it up for scrap, (and let’s face it because it was cool to see what would happen. Here is another test atomic scientists ran probably just because it was fun to find out what would happen if you pitted an atomic bomb against a steel bowling ball: https://youtu.be/by1xpy8ob8E ). You can still see the battered hulk of Jumbo on the two days a year the Trinity test site is open to visitors.

    Replies: @Kronos, @duncsbaby

    I just chose it because it was crudely “hiding” under a blanket. What can those dirty white racists be working on?

  75. Anecdote: my father was given a golden handshake from his defense contractor employer. He stuck around to help train the younger, more diverse cohort coming (and the much smaller cohort than the boomer one about to exit).

    Within 3 months, he was back on the job, this time as a consultant. Doing the exact same thing he was doing before. Slightly less pay, but he can work from home, just three days a week, and he can still pull from his pension.

    The word from him on the defense contractor front is that companies would very much like to re-hire their white boomer experts as outside consultants, so that they can essentially keep them on the job but off the official employee books.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Seth Largo

    I’m retired now but keep in touch with slightly younger ex colleagues. Some of them are working at defense contractors and report they are basically writing their own tickets. Contractors can’t find STEM people who are willing to work for something that is not a start-up, who know what they are doing, and can qualify for a security clearance. Retirement age employees are being urged to keep working or at least work as contractors.
    One of my friends wanted full medical coverage for some expensive surgery so he allowed his contract client to keep jacking up their full time employment salary offer until it was close enough to what he was making from charging $175 an hour.
    Meanwhile at non defense tech companies the executives are firing everyone they can so they can bring their relatives from Mumbai onboard.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    , @Wilkey
    @Seth Largo


    The word from him on the defense contractor front is that companies would very much like to re-hire their white boomer experts as outside consultants, so that they can essentially keep them on the job but off the official employee books.
     
    We’ve been over this a thousand times: all you’ve gotta do is tell your employer you’re black or Hispanic or Native American or female. It’s not like they give DNA tests. All they do is report to the government whatever you yourself put down on your job application.

    Now it may not work for board members or high-ranking executives in public corporations, where the information is easily accessible and pictures and bios are on the websites, but in any lower position it is easy enough to get away with. Most companies won’t question your self-identification. They’re more than happy to report an extra minority, and one who is actually qualified to do the job, at that.

    Why are we still even having this discussion? Why are white people still honest when we’re asked by colleges or employers to report our race, all in support of a system that is trying to destroy us? Especially when it’s so damn easy to lie and get away with it and destroy that system?

    Replies: @Bernie, @Anonymous

  76. @black sea
    @Steve Sailer

    I went to high school with Oppenheimer's great nephew. Perfect score on the SAT, back when that meant something.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @SunBakedSuburb, @Kronos, @Anonymous

    Was he ever bullied and had his dick painted green?

    At the camp Oppenheimer became the victim of increasingly vicious bullying. The other boys called him “Cutie” and mocked him for writing to his parents every day and for reading poetry. In one of his letters home Oppenheimer, perhaps trying to give the entirely false impression that he was mixing well with the other boys, told his parents that he was glad to be at the camp because he was learning a great deal from his fellow campers, especially about sex. This brought his enraged parents hurriedly to the camp, where his father demanded that the camp director do something about the spread of smut among the boys. When the camp director duly announced that disciplinary measures would be taken against those caught telling dirty stories, the boys sought their revenge on the telltale who had betrayed them. One evening, while taking a walk, Oppenheimer was captured and dragged to the icehouse, where he was stripped, his buttocks and genitals were painted green and he was tied up and left alone.

    I have this mental image of Oppenheimer yelling “you’ll be sorry! I’ll make you sorry! I’ll become the destroyer of worlds you motherfuckers!”

    • LOL: AnotherDad, JMcG
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Kronos


    The other boys called him “Cutie” and mocked him for writing to his parents every day and for reading poetry.
     
    British theoretical physicist Paul Dirac also gave Oppie a hard time about his interest in poetry.

    Dirac and Oppenheimer spent some time together in Göttingen. The two young physicists from different parts of the world had become good friends. Then, in one of these days, Dirac noticed that Oppenheimer wrote poetry.

    Dirac asserted, "Robert, I do not understand how a man can work on the frontiers of physics and write poetry at the same time."

    "Why not?" Oppenheimer asked.

    "In physics, you want to tell something that nobody knew before, in words which everyone can understand. In poetry, however, you go on to describe something that everybody knows about, in incomprehensible ways."

    Oppenheimer was left too confused to respond to that.

    "You see," Dirac went on to say, "The two are incompatible!"

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XMaJB8o0OFo/XS2dQ8swIqI/AAAAAAAAJgs/cqKZFZzo9kcyrxQ0Ui6DNT-YaW_jQneUACLcBGAs/s1600/dirac%2Boppenheimer.jpg

    https://www.wondersofphysics.com/2019/07/paul-dirac-stories.html
     

    Replies: @Kronos

  77. @Hypnotoad666
    @Buzz Mohawk


    the inventor of the Soviet H Bomb.
     
    We invented the nuclear fission A-Bomb and it probably wasn't too hard for the Soviets to copy it, especially with help from Fuchs and the Rosenburgs, et al.

    We and the Soviets more or less simultaneously co-invented the thermonuclear H-Bomb. But an H-Bomb is comparatively "easy" once you already have an A-Bomb. You basically just set off the A-Bomb inside a bunch of deuterium and it starts the fusion reaction. (Caveat: that's a vast oversimplification and I actually don't really know what I'm talking about of course.)

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @That Would Be Telling, @Joe Stalin, @Philip Owen

    You basically just set off the A-Bomb inside a bunch of deuterium and it starts the fusion reaction.

    It must be harder than that because neither Pakistan or India have a working H-Bomb even though they have an A-Bomb.

    On the other hand, North Korea appears to have an actual two-stage thermonuclear device that could be mounted on a ballistic missile; look at that device being examined by Dear Leader.

  78. @anonymous
    @black sea

    What happened to him?

    Replies: @black sea

    He’s a math professor at a non-elite state university.

  79. In addition to the macro yellow pill, the one where peopke on this side of the great divide think China will swoop in, and save America from the natural results of duhversity, there is the personal yellow pill. That’s the one where someone thinks, ‘okay, the US is doomed, but the Chinese will save me. No, the Chinese are not going to save any of us.

    [MORE]

    This is not just a fantasy on the dissident right and hiders. Many Jews who see the writing on the wall of what their ideas, and the backlash to those ideas, think that they will just jump ship to China and begin ‘helping’ the Chinese. As if the Chinese would look at the financiers, and say, ‘you destroyed your homeland, but you say you can bring us from 3 to 3.5% economic growth for decades before we die? Welcome to your new home!’

    Not even the billionaires will be rescued. Firstly, most of their wealth is in the form of ownership of corporations. When America dies, those companies go bust. Secondly, the Chinese are nominally communist, and the purpose of those foreign-owned factories is transferring the ability to create and run those factories to Chinese. Would the Chinese really let Americans keep ‘their’ factories without the mighty US military forcing them to? At best, Americans who wanted to jump ship would pay 90+ percent taxes for their residency permits. Really, ownership in a corporation could be transferred more readily than almost and other property. Just change entries in a database. What wealth the billionaires would have after the death throws, perhaps, a thousandth of their assets, would come with zero influence in China and the next world order. Why would China give people responsible for turning the world’s top nation into either a basket case or mega-Yugoslavia any influence at all? Chinese can cash dividend Checks as well as anyone else.

    Maybe a few, as in hundreds, of technologists might be able to relocate to China and have anything like their lives and reason for being intact. But, as American companies have moved from capitalizing on the fruits of their R&D to financial shenanigans, there is much less corporate R&D than their was even twenty years ago. The new heavily black and female corporate class that is going to rise from now on is unlikely to recognize the value of R&D. They might have a cargo cult view of R&D, where if they put some blacks in lab coats, then innovations will fall like manna, but effective R&D will be to whasian for their tastes.

    Speaking of the mulattoes of future R&D, the rest of what is today the brainy class will be shot. The SATs are not coming back. Likely GRE and MCAT are not far behind. At best, the tests will be dumbed down, randomized, with the top compressed into one fairly large bracket. Blacks cannot do well enough on intelligence tests to be acceptable to current mores. Icky whites often do too well. The scions of money sometimes do poorly. The future brainy classes will not be brainy. China will not be interested in peopke with 107 IQ, but fancy clothes and attitudes.

    When China stops buying bonds, the house of cards collapses, and there just won’t be many Americans that the Chinese would want. Chinese-Americans may well be an exception.

    • Agree: 3g4me
    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  80. A good example of progressive politics going in strange directions as the conditions in which it emerged start to change. When China was weak and backward, American progs loved China and frequently travelled there. Now it’s strong, prosperous and nationalistic, they are starting to hate it. Before Covid, progs loved immigrants and all things foreign, now many progs are not so keen about letting in disease carrying foreigners and passionately defend their locally produced vaccines against foreign rivals. When urban living was cheap, pandemics were non-existent, and crime was low, progs loved diverse big cities. Now they’re moving out to smaller centres where life is cheaper and safer. While the far left doubles down on its hatred of the Police, the centre left is taking a different view and views cops as vital tools in enforcing hygienic behaviour.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  81. @That Would Be Telling
    @Hypnotoad666


    But an H-Bomb is comparatively “easy” once you already have an A-Bomb. You basically just set off the A-Bomb inside a bunch of deuterium and it starts the fusion reaction. (Caveat: that’s a vast oversimplification and I actually don’t really know what I’m talking about of course.)
     
    Not sure that's entirely right about being easy, except to get to the point of a working enriched uranium or reactor bred plutonium implosion fission device you learn a lot of what you need to make a fusion device once you have the Teller-Ulam, "Sakharov's 'Third Idea'" (he had lots of help) etc. insight.

    Both use an implosion principle, but in the former, you're arranging all the explosives around your fissionable material to implode it just so, while in the latter you've got your fission device at one end of the complete device, like this:

    ==== o

    So apparently you have to for example use magic materials arranged in some magical sort of way (this is probably still the most classified detail about staged fusion devices) so that when you press very hard, enough to fuse deuterium and tritium bred on the spot from lithium, it's all pressed with sufficient symmetry.

    The Manhattan Project used at least one really wild trick to make sure our implosion fission devices were sufficiently symmetric, a highly radioactive isotope of course bred in the reactors we'd developed to capture on very quickly moving! film the implosion process. Thus part of our confidence to not use Jumbo in the first test.

    Per Wikipedia, the PRC took only 32 months to go from their first fission to first Teller-Ulam fusion device, but so little is known or unclassified about their program we don't know how or why/ Although it's said the Soviets helped them a lot with their projects, but that ceased by 1960, 4 and 7 years before they got their own devices working. I suppose extra impressive because Mao's Cultural Revolution killed, maimed, or otherwise persecuted 4,000 people in the nuclear weapons program by 1971, although perhaps it didn't get intense until they'd succeeded with their fusion device.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    The Manhattan Project really has to go down as one of the greatest technological feats of any civilization. Starting from the barest theoretical concepts of the physics in ’42 we figured out how to enrich the fuel, and design and build an operational bomb in just three years.

    Now it would take that long just to do the environmental impact statements.

    • Agree: notsaying
    • Replies: @notsaying
    @Hypnotoad666

    The older I get the more I can't believe that we accomplished all we did to win WWII -- and that we did all of it in just a few years with no computers.

    We could never do that again today.

    What will people think of the WWII era in 50 or 100 years from now? Will they even think about it?

    Replies: @ringo starr search, @Anon

    , @JMcG
    @Hypnotoad666

    The thing that really amazes me is the the Manhattan Project wasn’t even the most expensive program of the war. That title goes to the B-29 program.

  82. Anon[476] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jesse
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Exactly. It's amazing how stupid the White men here are being. China doesn't love you. China won't rescue you. China owes you nothing.

    A major issue with this end of the right is that they always seem to assume that some behemoth is going to ride in and rescue the White man. First it was Russia. Now it's China. They're just as bad as everyone else looking abroad to solve internal problems.

    Replies: @Houston 1992, @Eugene Norman, @JohnPlywood, @Cagey Beast, @Anon, @Almost Missouri

    Nice chutzpah and made up narrative that has nothing to do with anything that anyone is saying. I didn’t have lunch yet. Jew?

    I think you’re underestimating, or just simply don’t care, how little your input is welcomed here on “this end of the right.” But then again you won’t leave us alone right? Because you’re a terrible person and you just like to bother people.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Anon

    Honestly it's simpler than that. Hilariously, it's just spurred by intrasexual competition against Slavic women.

  83. @Kronos
    Jee, I wonder what China could do with so many high IQ hard working men? What happened the last time when the best and brightest were driven off to another country? Can anyone remember?

    https://antinuclearinfo.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/manhattan-project.gif

    Also, how are Japanese corporations on the Woke scale?

    Replies: @Gross Terry, @Anonymous, @The Alarmist, @Alfa158, @Hypnotoad666

    Jee, I wonder what China could do with so many high IQ hard working men?

    We did ok with some recycled white guys, ourselves.

  84. @Anonymous
    @Kronos

    Those were almost entirely Jews who designed that bomb, just saying.

    On the other hand, white goys are pretty good at military applications.

    This seems like more of the unintended consequences of anti-Whitism. Jews have created PC, which is a kind of HIV that destroys immune systems of whites on a society level. So now opportunistic infections are using this to attack. The Chinese profit from the anti-Whitism via immigration and now, via hiring white victims of anti-Whitism, to improve the profitability of their companies. It's all so tiresome.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Mr. Anon

    Those were almost entirely Jews who designed that bomb, just saying.

    Just saying incorrectly you might have added. Because it isn’t true.

  85. One interesting factual note: I formerly had a Polish (now American) physicist as a client. He told me that in Poland and Germany there is a mandatory retirement age at 60 for University professors (like most others).

    So no matter who they were (perhaps a Nobel Prize might work) you would be retired.

    I asked him, how stupid, what did they do? He told me most were (in science/math) recruited by China and went to teach there. Also, he said, some American profs facing retirement (not usually forceably) would also head to China if offered.

    So the brain drain is sometimes incentivized by being kicked out of the Western unifersities.

    • Replies: @Occasional lurker
    @Muggles

    I have no idea about Poland, but this is not true for Germany. Regular retirement age for professors is currently 67. You can go as early 63 if you want to, but lose some of your pension if you do. Also, you can still go on teaching after 67 if you like (you keep your 'venia legendi'), and you have to still be available for graduate students who started their work under your supervision.

    Replies: @Muggles

  86. @Hypnotoad666
    @Buzz Mohawk


    the inventor of the Soviet H Bomb.
     
    We invented the nuclear fission A-Bomb and it probably wasn't too hard for the Soviets to copy it, especially with help from Fuchs and the Rosenburgs, et al.

    We and the Soviets more or less simultaneously co-invented the thermonuclear H-Bomb. But an H-Bomb is comparatively "easy" once you already have an A-Bomb. You basically just set off the A-Bomb inside a bunch of deuterium and it starts the fusion reaction. (Caveat: that's a vast oversimplification and I actually don't really know what I'm talking about of course.)

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @That Would Be Telling, @Joe Stalin, @Philip Owen

    The UK and Canada handed over the A bomb to the US.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Philip Owen


    The UK and Canada handed over the A bomb to the US.
     
    The way I've heard it described, the scientists were about 1/3 British, 1/3 American, and 1/3 European emigres.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    , @JMcG
    @Philip Owen

    And to the Soviets.

  87. Not just existing proprietary information, but also the creative capacity to develop NEW information. In the field of “org syn” (organic synthesis; developing new medicines), the tedious, fastidious “bench work” is farmed-out to China, but it is directed by white guys back in the U.S

  88. @JohnPlywood
    @Anonymous


    Those were almost entirely Jews who designed that bomb, just saying.
     
    You have no idea what you're talking about. Which seems to be par for the course in this comment section...

    Replies: @Anonymous

    https://eteconline.org/news/jewish-scientists-played-a-key-role-in-the-manhattan-project/

    Ok, who were the goys involved in designing the bomb? Particularly, essential parts of the process.

    Having learned quite a bit about the creation of the bomb and then learned about who was Jewish at a much later date, it surprised me.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Anonymous

    Please show me where in that article it claims Jews were the majority on the manhattan project (which has nothing to do with the hydrogren bomb)?

    The Manhattan Project was organized, and mostly run by, Gentiles. From its Anglo founder (Vannevar Bush) on down to the bottom.

    The most important components of the bomb itself were made by Anglos and a Hispanic (Luis Alvarez contributed to the development of the exploding bridgewire detonator, which was essential for the timely detonation of multiple HE charges in the implosion devices).

    Aside from the exploding bridgewire detonator and the implosion charge assembly, the A bombs themselves were extraordinarily simple and not even different from the understanding of conventional explosives that existed at the time. Pretty much the entirety of the manhattan project consisted of building the world's first industrial-sized reactors, to purify radiological metals on a larger scale, and to find a way to accurately and timely detonate multiple conventional explosives charges with a singular jolt of electricity. Gentiles dominated both pursuits, and neither required the theoretical musings of Oppenheimer.

    Jews basically did nothing for the invention of the bomb itself and were entirely relegated to a symbolic role of theorizing how it actually worked. It was actually southern European gentiles who were overrepresented at the Manhattan Project, relative to their overall participation in theoretical physics and engineering at the time.


    The Soviet bomb project was largely headed by German National Socialists.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Anonymous, @That Would Be Telling

  89. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kronos
    @black sea

    Was he ever bullied and had his dick painted green?

    https://www.amazon.com/Robert-Oppenheimer-Life-Inside-Center/dp/0385722044/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=Oppenheimer&qid=1609099018&sr=8-6


    At the camp Oppenheimer became the victim of increasingly vicious bullying. The other boys called him “Cutie” and mocked him for writing to his parents every day and for reading poetry. In one of his letters home Oppenheimer, perhaps trying to give the entirely false impression that he was mixing well with the other boys, told his parents that he was glad to be at the camp because he was learning a great deal from his fellow campers, especially about sex. This brought his enraged parents hurriedly to the camp, where his father demanded that the camp director do something about the spread of smut among the boys. When the camp director duly announced that disciplinary measures would be taken against those caught telling dirty stories, the boys sought their revenge on the telltale who had betrayed them. One evening, while taking a walk, Oppenheimer was captured and dragged to the icehouse, where he was stripped, his buttocks and genitals were painted green and he was tied up and left alone.
     
    I have this mental image of Oppenheimer yelling “you’ll be sorry! I’ll make you sorry! I’ll become the destroyer of worlds you motherfuckers!”

    Replies: @Anon

    The other boys called him “Cutie” and mocked him for writing to his parents every day and for reading poetry.

    British theoretical physicist Paul Dirac also gave Oppie a hard time about his interest in poetry.

    Dirac and Oppenheimer spent some time together in Göttingen. The two young physicists from different parts of the world had become good friends. Then, in one of these days, Dirac noticed that Oppenheimer wrote poetry.

    Dirac asserted, “Robert, I do not understand how a man can work on the frontiers of physics and write poetry at the same time.”

    “Why not?” Oppenheimer asked.

    “In physics, you want to tell something that nobody knew before, in words which everyone can understand. In poetry, however, you go on to describe something that everybody knows about, in incomprehensible ways.”

    Oppenheimer was left too confused to respond to that.

    “You see,” Dirac went on to say, “The two are incompatible!”

    https://www.wondersofphysics.com/2019/07/paul-dirac-stories.html

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Anon

    I remember that from the book.

  90. Anonymous[376] • Disclaimer says:

    Caution is advised. We have been here before: The USSR also invited American engineers to come work in the country in the 1920s and 30s. Lots of people, by no means only communists, took up the offer. Many wound up in the gulag and only returned to America in the 1950s.

    • Replies: @Abelard Lindsey
    @Anonymous

    Most of them ended up dead, during the purges around 1937.

  91. @Hypnotoad666
    @black sea


    I went to high school with Oppenheimer’s great nephew.
     
    One of my son's classmates was Albert Einstein's grandson. He was a very smart kid (fixed our computer once), but I have to wonder if it's a bit of a burden going through life with the expectations that come with literally being an "Einstein."

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Buzz Mohawk, @Jomoga, @TWS

    “I’m no Einstein but …”

  92. Anonymous[143] • Disclaimer says:
    @black sea
    @Steve Sailer

    I went to high school with Oppenheimer's great nephew. Perfect score on the SAT, back when that meant something.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @SunBakedSuburb, @Kronos, @Anonymous

    I went to high school with Oppenheimer’s great nephew. Perfect score on the SAT, back when that meant something.

    Senator Chuck Schumer got a perfect SAT score as well.

    Or did he?

    Did Senator Schumer really get a perfect 1600 SAT score?

    Steve Sailer
    06/04/2013

    https://vdare.com/posts/did-senator-schumer-really-get-a-perfect-1600-sat-score

  93. China Inc. will expect to pay its Caucasoids servants the least possible, as it does with other subjugated ethnies.

    welcome back to being a colony… if you can’t help it.

  94. @Philip Owen
    @Hypnotoad666

    The UK and Canada handed over the A bomb to the US.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @JMcG

    The UK and Canada handed over the A bomb to the US.

    The way I’ve heard it described, the scientists were about 1/3 British, 1/3 American, and 1/3 European emigres.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Hypnotoad666

    About right. The Hiroshima bomb was the British design accelerated into use by US industrial might. The Nagasaki bomb was a different 100% US design.

  95. @Hypnotoad666
    @black sea


    I went to high school with Oppenheimer’s great nephew.
     
    One of my son's classmates was Albert Einstein's grandson. He was a very smart kid (fixed our computer once), but I have to wonder if it's a bit of a burden going through life with the expectations that come with literally being an "Einstein."

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Buzz Mohawk, @Jomoga, @TWS

    I don’t know. I used to see a grandson of Groucho Marx almost daily. Guy looked just like him but he never smiled and never said anything remotely funny.

  96. @notsaying
    Would the Chinese companies make the Americans move over there or allow them to keep working here? Would they pay them a Chinese or American style salary and benefits package?

    A lot of talk in this country about needing lots of foreign talent is bogus -- an excuse made by cheap labor employers or a way to get out of hiring qualified Americans -- but evidently not in Finland. I saw this last night at the Guardian.

    "Finland has received more than 5,300 applications in a month for a groundbreaking scheme offering foreign tech workers and their families the chance to relocate to the Nordic country for 90 days to see if they want to make the move permanent."

    Maybe some of the laid off American men can go to Europe. That is a lot better than China.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/25/thousands-apply-to-be-a-finn-for-90-days-in-migration-scheme

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @botazefa, @Supply and Demand, @Inquiring Mind

    This China hiring Americans tech know-how is no joke.

    One of the leading US makers of paper products gave one of their execs the heave-ho, he was snapped up by China on one of these deals where he become their pampered pet with every need attended to, and now our technological lead on making soft toilet paper is flushed down the you-know where.

  97. Anonymous[625] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    @JackOH

    That's due to a combination of credentialism, age discrimination, and over usage of H1bs.

    White-collar downward mobility is surprisingly common in the US. You first started to see it in the early 90s ("downsizing"), but it really kicked into overdrive during the 2000s.

    If you're a middle-aged White-collar worker with"holes" in your resume, you're screwed. You're doubly screwed if you lack a college degree.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anonymous

    White collar downward mobility was a theme of The Bell Curve. Yggdrasil did a great job of parsing it way back in 1996. I found this essay to be very insightful. Do yourself a favor and read the whole essay, especially when he “breaks the code”.

    https://www.whitenationalism.com/ms/ms-01.htm

    [MORE]

    YGGDRASIL

    Culture Wars #1 – Talking in “Code”.

    This series of posts will deal with a wide range of topics concerning culture. By culture, I mean our behavior, what we listen to, watch and what we enjoy.

    The focus is upon behavior that we must change if we are to survive.

    We European-Americans have a very dangerous habit of assuming that everyone thinks just like us and has good intentions. We have a very hard time spotting alien-unspoken agendas. We fail to spot these agendas because we are not looking for them.

    We must learn to stop and think.

    Let me illustrate with a classic example.

    Recently Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray wrote a book entitled “The Bell Curve.” The book raised a big rukus and reviews appeared everywhere. At any given time approximately 1/2 the bandwidth on alt.politics.nationalism.white was consumed with arguments about that book.

    Now according to the authors, the main message of the book is that our elites are becoming dangerously isolated from the common man. But according to the reviewers, the main message of the book was that some brown races have lower IQs!

    Now why do you suppose that the authors and the reviewers disagree so profoundly about the theme and the purpose of the book?

  98. @Gross Terry
    @Kronos

    american jews played a much larger role in the soviet nuclear weapon program, than the american one.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Kronos, @Larry, San Francisco, @Malcolm X-Lax

    Speaking of which, I wonder why we have yet to see a good American movie about the Rosenbergs and Greenglass. Not even a revisionist one that paints them as victims.

  99. @Old and Grumpy
    @Anonymous

    It is called reap what you sow for our corporate masters.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    I want the managerial elite crushed. Sent to relieve the Uyghers. I won’t benefit from this Chinese takeover, but I will enjoy seeing weasels ruined.

  100. @Supply and Demand
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I'm routinely impressed with the increasing English ability of my students. 4 years ago, I'd say that most were roughly at a 6th/8th grade level coming into college. Now, I could teach my classes entirely in English if needed. They're probably more literate in English than any blue-checked black "intellectual" in America at the moment.

    Leaps and bounds. That said, this is a top school. I can't speak for what it's like down the line -- but at a certain extent, it's irrelevant. The people that need to know how to speak English do, and quite well. Can't say the same for Chinese literacy among Americans.

    Replies: @Thea

    I hear Elizabeth Holmes is fluent in Mandarin and looking for work. She can fool them into thinking she is a man with her resonate baritone.

  101. @Jack Armstrong
    @Reg Cæsar

    Soy- Rent? Does it come with egg roll?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The destruction of our people is such a hee-haw, isn’t it?

    And young White men have the bleakest future of all. What clever jokes can we make about that?

    What wonderful stewards we’ve been!

  102. @Joe Stalin
    Really, REALLY BAD SHIT happens when the USA drives out people who know stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2lFx4Sscfc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUgwx8GEJMs

    Replies: @epebble

    Same S*** happened with Wen Ho Lee, he suffered but still decided to stay (though he ended up getting an apology and $1.6 million settlement from Feds).

  103. @Anon
    @Kronos


    The other boys called him “Cutie” and mocked him for writing to his parents every day and for reading poetry.
     
    British theoretical physicist Paul Dirac also gave Oppie a hard time about his interest in poetry.

    Dirac and Oppenheimer spent some time together in Göttingen. The two young physicists from different parts of the world had become good friends. Then, in one of these days, Dirac noticed that Oppenheimer wrote poetry.

    Dirac asserted, "Robert, I do not understand how a man can work on the frontiers of physics and write poetry at the same time."

    "Why not?" Oppenheimer asked.

    "In physics, you want to tell something that nobody knew before, in words which everyone can understand. In poetry, however, you go on to describe something that everybody knows about, in incomprehensible ways."

    Oppenheimer was left too confused to respond to that.

    "You see," Dirac went on to say, "The two are incompatible!"

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XMaJB8o0OFo/XS2dQ8swIqI/AAAAAAAAJgs/cqKZFZzo9kcyrxQ0Ui6DNT-YaW_jQneUACLcBGAs/s1600/dirac%2Boppenheimer.jpg

    https://www.wondersofphysics.com/2019/07/paul-dirac-stories.html
     

    Replies: @Kronos

    I remember that from the book.

  104. @botazefa
    @notsaying


    Maybe some of the laid off American men can go to Europe. That is a lot better than China
     
    What becomes of the Americans who moved to Europe when NATO inevitably fails and China backs Russia?

    Replies: @notsaying, @Bill, @Astuteobservor II

    I don’t know. I can only say that they can always come back home. Although if NATO failed and China and Russia ganged up on us and Europe, we wouldn’t be doing so well, either.

  105. @Hypnotoad666
    @That Would Be Telling

    The Manhattan Project really has to go down as one of the greatest technological feats of any civilization. Starting from the barest theoretical concepts of the physics in '42 we figured out how to enrich the fuel, and design and build an operational bomb in just three years.

    Now it would take that long just to do the environmental impact statements.

    Replies: @notsaying, @JMcG

    The older I get the more I can’t believe that we accomplished all we did to win WWII — and that we did all of it in just a few years with no computers.

    We could never do that again today.

    What will people think of the WWII era in 50 or 100 years from now? Will they even think about it?

    • Replies: @ringo starr search
    @notsaying

    2000 trains a day used to arrive and depart Grand Central Station in the 1940s, and it was all done without incident and without computers.

    The Boeing 747 went from concept to delivery in two years, without any Computer Aided Design or simulations and modeling. Compare with recent Boeing projects.

    D-Day, in terms of men and machines probably the biggest operation in history, was planned and executed without computers.

    The Apollo program used no emails, Zoom, cellphones, etc... yet they pulled off the most complex and technically ambitious enterprise the world has ever known in less than eight years.

    Replies: @notsaying, @Ugetit, @3g4me, @showmethereal

    , @Anon
    @notsaying

    C'mon man. There is no cincinnatus in the age of elagabalus.

    When people think about wwii times, they will think those benighted times, just like we think those crossing the ocean without radar, etc backward today.

    Those people weren't benighted, of course. But you think history is stephen ambrose forever?

    You should remember the guy that sort of bootstrapped this westciv experiment and served as the mascot of it for a few thousand yrs was forced to drink hemlock by his fellow citizens.

  106. @Elli
    @JohnnyWalker123

    China kicks most foreign workers out of the country when they reach 60.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Oh crap! You mean commenter “Supply & Demand” might move back here. NOOOOO!!

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I've still got another 26 years over here, bud. I'm willing to place around 2-3 BTC on a meeting platform of your choice that there won't be an United States of America left to return to by then.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  107. @Eugene Norman
    @Jesse


    Exactly. It’s amazing how stupid the White men here are being. China doesn’t love you. China won’t rescue you. China owes you nothing.
     
    So what? if they can hoover up some talent that’s discarded in the US they will do it.

    That’s another reason why the US Empire is accelerating its decline. It relies on male white and Asian, mostly Chinese, talent to produce its STEM output but it attacks both of them, from the left (white and male privilege) and the Chinese from the right (disloyal spies). The latter charge will increase over time. Chinese students will bear the brunt of it and probably stop coming, but even Chinese Americans will be suspect if the new Cold War accelerates. If Chinese students aren’t doing the stem subjects and white Americans are discouraged to, this means the acceleration of grievance studies that will no doubt keep the empire alive for generations to come. I’m looking forward to non phallic shaped missiles myself.

    Also, it may not happen but an alliance between China and European nationalists would do a lot to scupper the transatlantic alliance.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Jack D, @showmethereal

    Eugene, Chinese students (by the 100’s of thousands a year) NEED to stop coming. President Trump was on the right track with that. Even discounting the occasional spy and the myriad intellectual property thieves, these grad students take positions that were formerly manned (occasionally even womaned) by perfectly capable Americans. No matter what the Russkie AnonInTennessee will tell you, I know, as I was there.

    While we’re at it, we don’t need any more •Indians coming either. Ooops, our bi-partisan Congress just unanimously (with no vote just goodwill) passed a bill to go full balls-to-the-wall Indian “tech” immigration. Bi-partisanship has come to mean evil lately.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "Bipartisanship has come to mean evil recently."

    Not just recently, my friend; for some years, whenever the word, bipartisan, got bandied about, I started counting the spoons, and I backed into a corner to reduce the risk of being anally raped. Spoons still went missing, and you can guess the rest.

  108. China is unlikely to snap up that many “Used White Guys.”

    First, living in China is miserable for most White persons, given the huge gulf of language and culture. Secondly, the Chinese are unlikely to spend that much on “Used White Guys” and certainly there will be restrictions on “Used White Guys” from taking up employment abroad or at home. Think of serfdom, only hi-tech.

    Finally, any “Used White Guy” can see that they will be used (dirt cheap) and then thrown away with no value. If the Chinese sell their own people poison infant formula (and they do) what will they do with a disposable Foreign Devil hated by their own people?

    Likely, “Used White Guys” are probably going to Jose Bovee for Big Tech and the big shots. All that power and strutting are useless when the power keeps going down every other day, and there’s no internet as the fiber backbone “oopsie!” gets cut by accident (on purpose). Its a big country, if people have knowledge and are determined they can make life utterly miserable for big shots as well as themselves. I’m sure after a few of these there will be a determined effort by big shots in the Tech World to round up all “Used White Guys” and send them to camps which like Uighurs they will never leave (alive). Hmm that’s a no-risk move.

    Our Masters of the Universe are even smarter than Kennedy’s Best and Brightest. They not only went to Harvard like their grandfathers but they are super woke. Just ask them — they are super geniuses who are never ever wrong.

  109. @Supply and Demand
    @notsaying

    I had the unfortunate experience to spend 4 months in Kotka when my university in China wanted to develop a study-abroad program there. I can tell you unequivocally that the Chinese are warmer and more friendly than the Finns, and the Han are mostly unfriendly cold fuckers.

    Replies: @Donald A Thomson

    Strange. All the Chinese I’ve met or worked with were friendly. So were all the Yanks. And Indians. And Vietnamese. And Iranians. And South Africans. And Indonesians. And Russians. And Japanese. And English. And Irish. Etc.

    The only unfriendly people I’ve ever met were French in Paris for 3 days in 1990 who, with one exception, refused to speak anything but English to me after wincing when they heard my French. The ones who were unfriendly in French were all friendly in English.

    Now that I think about it, there was one Chinese I worked with who seemed unfriendly. As he appeared to dislike me, that was perfectly reasonable. Some unimportant misunderstanding perhaps. [email protected]

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @Donald A Thomson

    It may be an issue of climate temperament. Dongbei, where I teach, is congruent with Vladivostok and Juneau. I also married a rather well-enconsed ethnic minority (Manchu) within the country. The Han are predisposed to dislike, like any justly aggrieved native class, minorities running around with fatter salaries than they make.

  110. @That Would Be Telling
    @Kaz


    They aren’t firing older competent white guys
     
    You know nothing about this topic. Age discrimination is legendary in high tech, and something I can personally attest to from my job searches over the years and ability to hide how old I am once I realized I needed to do that in my mid-30s. It should take any honest person very little time with a search engine to find a multitude of examples of older workers being required to teach their Indian replacements their jobs as a condition of getting severance pay. In many sectors, from a unit of the California state government, a university if I'm remembering correctly, to Disney.

    Replies: @Kaz

    That has nothing to do with demographic quotas.

  111. @RichardTaylor
    @notsaying


    Would the Chinese companies make the Americans move over there or allow them to keep working here?
     
    That's my question. If the White American gets to stay in America, can the Chinese company still skirt our anti-White hiring laws?

    White men need to be aware of this new world. Stop giving away your value for free. Stop volunteering to fight wars on behalf of a system that hates your guts. Stop supporting the system in any form for free.

    People of color (including Asians) and White liberals are able to free ride off the institutions we build while stabbing us in the back.

    Replies: @ringo starr search

    This is one of the most interesting aspects of the post.

    How do American blacks and American Jews think they will fare in a world that is
    economically, military, politically, and culturally dominated by China. In the future, America
    will be desperate for good paying jobs and lobbying China to put some of their factories, labs, and offices in the US. We will be competing with many countries. When they look us over, and we tell them they need to hire according to quotas, recognize and give benefits to same-sex partners, comply with affirmative action, provide rest rooms for transgenders, allow all sorts of family leave etc… to working mothers, and on and on… What do you suppose will be their reaction?
    I think they’ll find Mexico, Poland, Chile, Hungary, Indonesia, etc… more to their liking.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @ringo starr search


    How do American blacks and American Jews think they will fare in a world that is economically, military, politically, and culturally dominated by China. In the future, America will be desperate for good paying jobs and lobbying China to put some of their factories, labs, and offices in the US. We will be competing with many countries....
     
    Not entirely. There's a whole lot of high tech that the PRC can't even come close to copying, jet engines being one of the best examples. Their military ones don't come close to Russian ones, which don't achieve Western/US levels. Civilian ones are also demanding because they need to be very efficient. For that matter, has the PRC even reached Brazilian levels of civilian airliner construction? I've ridden Embraer jets without worry before I gave up on air travel, would not feel the same about made in the PRC models.

    I'd say something about computer chips, but it looks like bad management and diversity have removed Intel from the cutting edge of the logic part of that game. Still, as far as I could learn just now, Intel is still five years ahead of SMIC. On the other hand, the lasers that vaporize bits of molten tin in AMSL EUV lithography machines are Made in the USA, and, yes, EUV technology is as crazy as that tiny peek into it implies.

    Replies: @El Dato

  112. @Seth Largo
    Anecdote: my father was given a golden handshake from his defense contractor employer. He stuck around to help train the younger, more diverse cohort coming (and the much smaller cohort than the boomer one about to exit).

    Within 3 months, he was back on the job, this time as a consultant. Doing the exact same thing he was doing before. Slightly less pay, but he can work from home, just three days a week, and he can still pull from his pension.

    The word from him on the defense contractor front is that companies would very much like to re-hire their white boomer experts as outside consultants, so that they can essentially keep them on the job but off the official employee books.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Wilkey

    I’m retired now but keep in touch with slightly younger ex colleagues. Some of them are working at defense contractors and report they are basically writing their own tickets. Contractors can’t find STEM people who are willing to work for something that is not a start-up, who know what they are doing, and can qualify for a security clearance. Retirement age employees are being urged to keep working or at least work as contractors.
    One of my friends wanted full medical coverage for some expensive surgery so he allowed his contract client to keep jacking up their full time employment salary offer until it was close enough to what he was making from charging $175 an hour.
    Meanwhile at non defense tech companies the executives are firing everyone they can so they can bring their relatives from Mumbai onboard.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Alfa158


    I’m retired now but keep in touch with slightly younger ex colleagues. Some of them are working at defense contractors and report they are basically writing their own tickets. Contractors can’t find STEM people who are willing to work for something that is not a start-up, who know what they are doing, and can qualify for a security clearance.
     
    I too have a younger college who's at least a 10X programmer, is over 40, and the only reason he still has a conventional job in software development is that he got and kept a serious security clearance a long while ago. That field of a sorts, as well as embedded programming to a degree are among the very few in the US that do not severely discriminate against older (white) programmers.
  113. @notsaying
    @Hypnotoad666

    The older I get the more I can't believe that we accomplished all we did to win WWII -- and that we did all of it in just a few years with no computers.

    We could never do that again today.

    What will people think of the WWII era in 50 or 100 years from now? Will they even think about it?

    Replies: @ringo starr search, @Anon

    2000 trains a day used to arrive and depart Grand Central Station in the 1940s, and it was all done without incident and without computers.

    The Boeing 747 went from concept to delivery in two years, without any Computer Aided Design or simulations and modeling. Compare with recent Boeing projects.

    D-Day, in terms of men and machines probably the biggest operation in history, was planned and executed without computers.

    The Apollo program used no emails, Zoom, cellphones, etc… yet they pulled off the most complex and technically ambitious enterprise the world has ever known in less than eight years.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @ringo starr search

    All true. But the lack of computers was not even the biggest thing.

    It was the military and industrial mobilization. It was all the things made for ourselves and our Allies around the world. It was getting the military men and women together, training them and then them doing so many tough jobs for low pay and terrible conditions in the Pacific and the Atlantic. There were so many casualties and deaths but they all went on, at home and overseas, with constant pressure and fear.

    It was all this and more. The payoff was the post-war prosperity in which all people saw their standard of living and working conditions improve significantly year after year.

    Then around 1980 for many reasons everything started to change and progress for many people stalled out or went backwards with falling wages, harder work, longer hours and less to show for the increased effort.

    I don't know if any country on Earth will ever experience challenges and triumph like we did in WWII and have a period of unprecedented prosperity and improvement afterwards.

    , @Ugetit
    @ringo starr search


    D-Day, in terms of men and machines probably the biggest operation in history, was planned and executed without computers.
     
    But not without assholes like "Gallipoli" Churchill, and massive screw ups.

    I’ll admit the source is somewhat sketchy, but…

    The deadly [practice for the D-Day invasion] exercise [Exercise Tiger] … was held at daylight and involved live ammunition. British and "U.S." battleships were lobbing shells onto the beach where U.S. troops had just landed!! Additionally, the soldiers were fired upon from the beach.

    At that time, at least 450 U.S. soldiers were killed, and buried in a mass grave!

    Winston Churchill appointed Admiral Bertram Ramsay as commander of Exercise Tiger.

    In January 1945, Admiral Ramsay had a disagreement with Churchill and Montgomery about strategy, so he was killed in a plane crash!

    Real Admiral Moon was in charge of the U.S. convoy. To maintain his silence about the mass murder of U.S. military personnel, Moon was "suicided" in August.

    He was the only high ranking U.S. officer to commit "suicide" during the entire war!

    Source: http://reformation.org/winston-churchills-exercise-tiger.htm
     
    l
    , @3g4me
    @ringo starr search

    @101 ringo starr search: White people, White culture, White intellect, White world. 95% of the world's wretched denizens could disappear tomorrow (all the other races and the insane GoodWhites) and the remaining 4.5 % of Whites would do just fine.

    , @showmethereal
    @ringo starr search

    Humanity advances because we build in prior knowledge... But yeah I don't think we are smarter at all. In fact in some ways we are dumbed down because we rely on the machines that help us. Since satellite navigation people have seemed to lose all sense of direction as they rely on their device to tell them where to go.

    I was recently watching a documentary on the Nabateans. The things they were able to accomplish regarding hydrologic engineering in Petra was very very impressive. The average university student today is NOT more intelligent than those people -- they just have more tools...

  114. @Anonymous
    @JohnPlywood

    https://eteconline.org/news/jewish-scientists-played-a-key-role-in-the-manhattan-project/

    Ok, who were the goys involved in designing the bomb? Particularly, essential parts of the process.

    Having learned quite a bit about the creation of the bomb and then learned about who was Jewish at a much later date, it surprised me.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Please show me where in that article it claims Jews were the majority on the manhattan project (which has nothing to do with the hydrogren bomb)?

    The Manhattan Project was organized, and mostly run by, Gentiles. From its Anglo founder (Vannevar Bush) on down to the bottom.

    The most important components of the bomb itself were made by Anglos and a Hispanic (Luis Alvarez contributed to the development of the exploding bridgewire detonator, which was essential for the timely detonation of multiple HE charges in the implosion devices).

    Aside from the exploding bridgewire detonator and the implosion charge assembly, the A bombs themselves were extraordinarily simple and not even different from the understanding of conventional explosives that existed at the time. Pretty much the entirety of the manhattan project consisted of building the world’s first industrial-sized reactors, to purify radiological metals on a larger scale, and to find a way to accurately and timely detonate multiple conventional explosives charges with a singular jolt of electricity. Gentiles dominated both pursuits, and neither required the theoretical musings of Oppenheimer.

    Jews basically did nothing for the invention of the bomb itself and were entirely relegated to a symbolic role of theorizing how it actually worked. It was actually southern European gentiles who were overrepresented at the Manhattan Project, relative to their overall participation in theoretical physics and engineering at the time.

    The Soviet bomb project was largely headed by German National Socialists.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @JohnPlywood

    I would just like to remind how simple the atomic bombs were and how a middle schooler could have imagined them without any special theoretical physics knowledge. All explosions are simply reactive substances decomposing one another, whose energetic density and chemical balance predicts their destructive power. Even flour mills can produce violent explosions with materials that are not very energy dense (like flour and atmospheric oxygen).


    It was known long before the Manhattan Project that radioactive solids are extremely reactive, and that they have unparalleled energy density. It did not require any theoretical calculations of any kind to come up with this concept, it's a purely practical endeavor. People like H.G. Wells were writing about atomic bombs decades before the Manhattan Project. The concept had no inventor, but the technical components that made the bomb possible were invented by gentiles.

    , @Anonymous
    @JohnPlywood

    https://www.britannica.com/event/Manhattan-Project

    Most important scientists:


    American physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer headed the project to develop the atomic bomb, and Edward Teller was among the first recruited for the project. Leo Szilard and Enrico Fermi built the first nuclear reactor. Ernest Orlando Lawrence was program chief in charge of the development of the electromagnetic process of separating uranium-235. Other notable researchers included Otto Frisch, Niels Bohr, Felix Bloch, James Franck, Emilio Segrè, Klaus Fuchs, Hans Bethe, and John von Neumann. The person who oversaw the project, however, was not a scientist. He was Brig. Gen. Leslie R. Groves.
     
    (((Oppenheimer)))
    (((Teller)))
    (((Szilard)))
    Fermi (though (((Fermi's wife))))
    Ernest Lawrence
    (((Otto Frisch)))
    (((Niels Bohr)))
    (((Felix Bloch)))
    (((James Franck)))
    (((Emilio Segre)))
    (((Klaus Fuchs)))
    Bethe - mischlinge with (((mother))), which makes him Jewish by definition.
    (((John von Neumann)))

    Less than 10% with no Jewish connection.

    Yeah, Groves headed up the project but an administrator, not a scientist. If the above is not a clear "majority" of the lead scientists, I don't know what is. And from the Jewish perspective, if you can coopt some useful goys to get a bomb to bomb Hitler faster, then that's a win in their book.

    I am not sure if you have ever studied modern physics (I have), but it is notoriously hard, and I am good at solving hard problems. It does not surprise me in the slightest that the people who have more of the most intelligent people on the globe, i.e. Jews, fleshed out the key positions - and that if they weren't involved it would have been a show stopper.

    If the Jewish mean IQ is 112 and European is 100, then there is an IQ at which the Jews with their 15M outnumber the goys with their 1000M. I did calculate it at one time, it is greater than IQ 150, but I forget exactly where it is. Suffice to say, looking at world champions in fields like Chess, there is a point where the Jews outnumber the goys.

    Now, I am not Jewish - yes, I have a small quantum of Jewish DNA, but it's not enough to define me as Jewish except by the most liberal of reform Jews perhaps, literally any Jewish club that would have me as a member would not be worth joining. (I'm sure there's a pun in there to be made about an Jewish ex-gf of mine and members, I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader. Certainly a club I remember fondly, though I found out partly through that relationship that the membership list was growing far too rapidly for my liking.)

    In any case, I consider myself White, and find that the Frankfurt School project, and what is being done by the likes of BLS and Potok to be thoroughly obnoxious. Basically a war is being waged against us, or maybe they consider it a project of sorts. (A war with a counterproductive objective, I might add.) However, I also do believe in giving credit where it is due. The first step in attempting to solve a problem is to acknowledge the reality with open eyes. Jews have more smarter people than us at the highest levels, and they work together. Kudos on the Manhattan project. Jews were smart enough to invent the A-Bomb and cold blooded enough to kill a few hundred thousand people with them in two strokes.

    How do you beat Bobby Fischer? Play him in anything but chess. So, you understand what their strategy is. You understand what the weak points are. And you institute your counters there by pitting our strengths against their weaknesses. If you look at the Viet Nam war, the Vietnamese didn't have as good a military as the US, and probably didn't have the edge in IQ at the top level either, but they had an objective and their plan worked against the USA. If styles make fights, then the Vietnamese opposition and tactics/strategy triumphed against the USA even if they didn't win a single battle.

    Now, this is not to say that we must defeat the Jews (good luck with that, they have been around for 2k+ years), but we must defend ourselves. Part of the lesson of Viet Nam was to convince the USA that the fight was a bad idea. Eventually the USA learned that lesson, and Viet Nam was no longer seen as a threat. There is probably also something to be learned from that from our perspective.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JohnPlywood

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @JohnPlywood


    Aside from the exploding bridgewire detonator and the implosion charge assembly, the A bombs themselves were extraordinarily simple
     
    True for the impractical except if you have a lot of U-235 gun assembly design, although gentile Leslie Groves as I recall is credited with the insight that the barrel etc. didn't have to be really strong, it wasn't going to survive the explosion. The hydrodynamics for implosion devices, and getting them to work properly were anything but "extraordinarily simple," I've already mentioned how we used technology developed during the Manhattan Project to test implosions before trying it with extremely precious reactor bred plutonium, and I know Jews like John von Neumann and Richard Feynman contributed to that applied physics work. Einstein was called in, the best we know to help figure out the problem of the "urchin," the device in the center of a plutonium sphere that helped initiate the chain reaction by releasing neutrons upon being crushed that's still a closely guarded secret as far as I know.

    Jews basically did nothing for the invention of the bomb itself and were entirely relegated to a symbolic role of theorizing how it actually worked.
     
    Utter rot, without the theory we'd have never attempted it. Two Jews figured out how fission worked during a Christmas holiday, Lise Meitner had all the figures in her head and worked it out with her nephew Otto Frisch. Who then pushed both experiment and after relocating to the U.K., along with another Jew Rudolf Peierls made the key theoretical insight that no one independently made, that a practical bomb could work with fast neutrons, despite uranium having a much smaller fission cross-section than for thermal neutrons.

    See the Frisch–Peierls memorandum, and Hitler's Uranium Club: The Secret Recordings at Farm Hall for how the gentile Germans captured by Operation Paperclip lead by the terminally poor choice of Heisenberg continued to be completely at sea despite knowing practical, dropped by B-29s atomic bombs could be made. See The Making of the Atomic Bomb for the best single account of the whole thing, the first half teaches you the basics of nuclear physics theory in its history of its development (much like the superb Thirty Years That Shook Physics does for quantum mechanics, also a necessary theoretical and experimental precursor for developing the bombs). If you can't follow that first half, you're not qualified to discuss both the theory and its importance to the Manhattan Project.

    And finally anyone who denigrates Oppenheimer's role in management of the scientists working at Los Alamos is a fool of the highest order. Perhaps more than the science and engineering, the speed and total success of the Manhattan Project was a triumph of science and engineering management lead by gentile Leslie Groves, who somehow realized as unlikely as it seemed at the time that Oppenheimer was a very good fit for leading Los Alamos.

    A great many things had to go just right for us to have bombs we could drop before the doomed without liberal use of WMDs invasion of Japan was scheduled (the only thing with a higher priority than the Manhattan project was a super-Mulberry for the invasion of the Kantou plain which include Tokyo), and plenty of Jews made necessary but not sufficient contributions to the effort.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

  115. Anon[215] • Disclaimer says:

    Remember that John Hopkins computer research professor who was fired a year and a half ago?

    His servers were in the basement of an adminstration building that had been taken over by black (and “ally”) student protesters, so he organized an assault team to retake the servers. The entrances and exits had been secured with chains by the protesters (who don’t have to follow fire codes). The professor’s group came equiped with bold cutters.

    Long story short, he was fired, but he was so prominent in his field that Facebook snatched him up … but then internal grumblings started at Facebook, they started an investigation, the professor didn’t want to twist in the wind and so he quit, ending up working for a Chinese company.

    Long story long:

    Johns Hopkins professor fired after attempted sabotage of student sit-in over private police force
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/johns-hopkins-professor-fired-after-attempted-sabotage-of-student-sit-in-over-private-police-force/2019/08/12/5c80751a-bb8d-11e9-bad6-609f75bfd97f_story.html

    The ex-professor’s account on his website:

    https://www.danielpovey.com/leaving.html

    Third-party supporters’ account:

    https://savedanpovey.github.io/2019/08/16/what-happened.html

    Povey ends up in China (actually, Seattle branch office):

    https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2019/08/20/fired-hopkins-professor-now-headed-china

    Povey has a pretty good, unrepentant, transgressive Twitter account:

  116. @JohnPlywood
    @Anonymous

    Please show me where in that article it claims Jews were the majority on the manhattan project (which has nothing to do with the hydrogren bomb)?

    The Manhattan Project was organized, and mostly run by, Gentiles. From its Anglo founder (Vannevar Bush) on down to the bottom.

    The most important components of the bomb itself were made by Anglos and a Hispanic (Luis Alvarez contributed to the development of the exploding bridgewire detonator, which was essential for the timely detonation of multiple HE charges in the implosion devices).

    Aside from the exploding bridgewire detonator and the implosion charge assembly, the A bombs themselves were extraordinarily simple and not even different from the understanding of conventional explosives that existed at the time. Pretty much the entirety of the manhattan project consisted of building the world's first industrial-sized reactors, to purify radiological metals on a larger scale, and to find a way to accurately and timely detonate multiple conventional explosives charges with a singular jolt of electricity. Gentiles dominated both pursuits, and neither required the theoretical musings of Oppenheimer.

    Jews basically did nothing for the invention of the bomb itself and were entirely relegated to a symbolic role of theorizing how it actually worked. It was actually southern European gentiles who were overrepresented at the Manhattan Project, relative to their overall participation in theoretical physics and engineering at the time.


    The Soviet bomb project was largely headed by German National Socialists.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Anonymous, @That Would Be Telling

    I would just like to remind how simple the atomic bombs were and how a middle schooler could have imagined them without any special theoretical physics knowledge. All explosions are simply reactive substances decomposing one another, whose energetic density and chemical balance predicts their destructive power. Even flour mills can produce violent explosions with materials that are not very energy dense (like flour and atmospheric oxygen).

    It was known long before the Manhattan Project that radioactive solids are extremely reactive, and that they have unparalleled energy density. It did not require any theoretical calculations of any kind to come up with this concept, it’s a purely practical endeavor. People like H.G. Wells were writing about atomic bombs decades before the Manhattan Project. The concept had no inventor, but the technical components that made the bomb possible were invented by gentiles.

  117. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Eugene Norman

    Eugene, Chinese students (by the 100's of thousands a year) NEED to stop coming. President Trump was on the right track with that. Even discounting the occasional spy and the myriad intellectual property thieves, these grad students take positions that were formerly manned (occasionally even womaned) by perfectly capable Americans. No matter what the Russkie AnonInTennessee will tell you, I know, as I was there.

    While we're at it, we don't need any more •Indians coming either. Ooops, our bi-partisan Congress just unanimously (with no vote just goodwill) passed a bill to go full balls-to-the-wall Indian "tech" immigration. Bi-partisanship has come to mean evil lately.

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian

    “Bipartisanship has come to mean evil recently.”

    Not just recently, my friend; for some years, whenever the word, bipartisan, got bandied about, I started counting the spoons, and I backed into a corner to reduce the risk of being anally raped. Spoons still went missing, and you can guess the rest.

  118. @botazefa
    @notsaying


    Maybe some of the laid off American men can go to Europe. That is a lot better than China
     
    What becomes of the Americans who moved to Europe when NATO inevitably fails and China backs Russia?

    Replies: @notsaying, @Bill, @Astuteobservor II

    They face less African immigration?

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  119. @ringo starr search
    @notsaying

    2000 trains a day used to arrive and depart Grand Central Station in the 1940s, and it was all done without incident and without computers.

    The Boeing 747 went from concept to delivery in two years, without any Computer Aided Design or simulations and modeling. Compare with recent Boeing projects.

    D-Day, in terms of men and machines probably the biggest operation in history, was planned and executed without computers.

    The Apollo program used no emails, Zoom, cellphones, etc... yet they pulled off the most complex and technically ambitious enterprise the world has ever known in less than eight years.

    Replies: @notsaying, @Ugetit, @3g4me, @showmethereal

    All true. But the lack of computers was not even the biggest thing.

    It was the military and industrial mobilization. It was all the things made for ourselves and our Allies around the world. It was getting the military men and women together, training them and then them doing so many tough jobs for low pay and terrible conditions in the Pacific and the Atlantic. There were so many casualties and deaths but they all went on, at home and overseas, with constant pressure and fear.

    It was all this and more. The payoff was the post-war prosperity in which all people saw their standard of living and working conditions improve significantly year after year.

    Then around 1980 for many reasons everything started to change and progress for many people stalled out or went backwards with falling wages, harder work, longer hours and less to show for the increased effort.

    I don’t know if any country on Earth will ever experience challenges and triumph like we did in WWII and have a period of unprecedented prosperity and improvement afterwards.

  120. Anon[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @notsaying
    @Hypnotoad666

    The older I get the more I can't believe that we accomplished all we did to win WWII -- and that we did all of it in just a few years with no computers.

    We could never do that again today.

    What will people think of the WWII era in 50 or 100 years from now? Will they even think about it?

    Replies: @ringo starr search, @Anon

    C’mon man. There is no cincinnatus in the age of elagabalus.

    When people think about wwii times, they will think those benighted times, just like we think those crossing the ocean without radar, etc backward today.

    Those people weren’t benighted, of course. But you think history is stephen ambrose forever?

    You should remember the guy that sort of bootstrapped this westciv experiment and served as the mascot of it for a few thousand yrs was forced to drink hemlock by his fellow citizens.

  121. @Supply and Demand
    @Kaz

    China's actively cultivating young talent in the US. I was first approached by my university's Confucius Institute in grad school, well over a year before my university post offer that I got in Dalian.

    I was offered a tenure-track professorship in China in the last semester of grad school (pending my completion), and well before I went through the usual gamut of applying for Ed-tech jobs. I still applied for those jobs to test the market, but entry-level jobs at a tech startup don't offer the same level of security and only half the salary of a Chinese university post, which I've occupied for a touch over 5 years now.

    Google "Thousand Talents Program". That's who recruited me, at least. I'm sure other such programs exist for American-Born Chinese, but TTP is for white guys.

    Replies: @notsaying

    Do you see yourself staying in China for much longer?

    I have seen negative things in the news about the Confucius Institute. I question if they should be allowed in the US. Now that the Chinese are becoming so aggressive and adding to their military might I am starting to rethink the idea of us providing them with high level knowledge here or abroad.

    What do you make of all this? The trends are not good.

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @notsaying

    @108 notsaying: "Now that the Chinese are becoming so aggressive and adding to their military might I am starting to rethink the idea of us providing them with high level knowledge here or abroad."

    Classic Sailer commentator. A few decades too late and many million White people short. But oh, so terribly thoughtful.

  122. @botazefa
    @notsaying


    Maybe some of the laid off American men can go to Europe. That is a lot better than China
     
    What becomes of the Americans who moved to Europe when NATO inevitably fails and China backs Russia?

    Replies: @notsaying, @Bill, @Astuteobservor II

    China still wants to trade and Russia still want to be European. I think NATO finally going kaput would help the security of Europe.

  123. Minoritarianism is just plain stupid.

    It works really well … until anybody else even semi-competent decides not to play.

  124. You’d think after the whole decline and fall of the Roman Empire that white people would know how letting in hostile foreigners works out. Isn’t the whole point of reading history to understand how the world works and not make the same mistakes?

    We just weren’t that smart.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @AnotherDad


    You’d think after the whole decline and fall of the Roman Empire that white people would know how letting in hostile foreigners works out.
     
    The one thing we learn from history is that people don't learn from history.
    , @Corvinus
    @AnotherDad

    "You’d think after the whole decline and fall of the Roman Empire that white people would know how letting in hostile foreigners works out."

    Depends really on how one defines "hostile foreigners". Consider that "Heritage Americans", aka WASPs, deemed Germans, the Irish, Poles, Italians, and Slavs as befitting of that description at various points in time. Were they correct or incorrect? Why?

  125. @Anonymous
    Communist led corporations hiring angry, bitter white men who are chock full of proprietary information from their former employer!

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy, @Thulean Friend, @Anon, @Anon87

    that’s how korean companies like Samsung and LG beat japanese companies, by hiring disposed former japanese engineers.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Anon


    that’s how korean companies like Samsung and LG beat japanese companies, by hiring disposed former japanese engineers.
     
    I read a long time ago that before the "disposals" became a really big thing, or a thing at all prior to 1992, presumably disgruntled salarymen were taking weekend trips up to South Korea to help them with DRAM. Which except for US based Micron is now pretty much owned by that country, #1 Samsung Electronics, #2 SK Hynix, which per Wikipedia also has manufacturing sites in the PRC, Taiwan and US. Here's the first link I got in a Bing search on market share by companies, Micron is doing better than I expected, not far from SK Hynix.
  126. White conservatives will begin to realize their fight isn’t with China but liberal American Jews.

  127. engineers fired by Sony all ended up working for LG and Samsung

    https://www.newsday.com/business/technology/sony-engineer-brain-drain-threatens-revival-1.6151642

    • Thanks: epebble
  128. @Alfa158
    @Kronos

    Historical footnote, that photo is not of the bomb itself. At one point the designers wanted to make sure that in case the first test shot was a fizzle and the bomb didn’t go nuclear, the precious plutonium wouldn’t be scattered all over the test site by the conventional explosives that initiate the detonation. The plan was to put the test bomb inside Jumbo this gigantic steel containment vessel pictured. If the bomb worked, then Jumbo would be blown apart, if it fizzled they could collect the plutonium trapped by the vessel and build another bomb for the next try.
    Before the test the scientists became pretty confident that the bomb was going to work so they never used Jumbo.
    Eventually they detonated a conventional aerial bomb inside Jumbo in an attempt to break it up for scrap, (and let’s face it because it was cool to see what would happen. Here is another test atomic scientists ran probably just because it was fun to find out what would happen if you pitted an atomic bomb against a steel bowling ball: https://youtu.be/by1xpy8ob8E ). You can still see the battered hulk of Jumbo on the two days a year the Trinity test site is open to visitors.

    Replies: @Kronos, @duncsbaby

    Hoo boy is that guy’s Scottish accent distracting. Hey, I’m half Scottish myself but damn, that country needs a minister of elocution.

  129. Anonymous[389] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnPlywood
    @Anonymous

    Please show me where in that article it claims Jews were the majority on the manhattan project (which has nothing to do with the hydrogren bomb)?

    The Manhattan Project was organized, and mostly run by, Gentiles. From its Anglo founder (Vannevar Bush) on down to the bottom.

    The most important components of the bomb itself were made by Anglos and a Hispanic (Luis Alvarez contributed to the development of the exploding bridgewire detonator, which was essential for the timely detonation of multiple HE charges in the implosion devices).

    Aside from the exploding bridgewire detonator and the implosion charge assembly, the A bombs themselves were extraordinarily simple and not even different from the understanding of conventional explosives that existed at the time. Pretty much the entirety of the manhattan project consisted of building the world's first industrial-sized reactors, to purify radiological metals on a larger scale, and to find a way to accurately and timely detonate multiple conventional explosives charges with a singular jolt of electricity. Gentiles dominated both pursuits, and neither required the theoretical musings of Oppenheimer.

    Jews basically did nothing for the invention of the bomb itself and were entirely relegated to a symbolic role of theorizing how it actually worked. It was actually southern European gentiles who were overrepresented at the Manhattan Project, relative to their overall participation in theoretical physics and engineering at the time.


    The Soviet bomb project was largely headed by German National Socialists.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Anonymous, @That Would Be Telling

    https://www.britannica.com/event/Manhattan-Project

    Most important scientists:

    American physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer headed the project to develop the atomic bomb, and Edward Teller was among the first recruited for the project. Leo Szilard and Enrico Fermi built the first nuclear reactor. Ernest Orlando Lawrence was program chief in charge of the development of the electromagnetic process of separating uranium-235. Other notable researchers included Otto Frisch, Niels Bohr, Felix Bloch, James Franck, Emilio Segrè, Klaus Fuchs, Hans Bethe, and John von Neumann. The person who oversaw the project, however, was not a scientist. He was Brig. Gen. Leslie R. Groves.

    (((Oppenheimer)))
    (((Teller)))
    (((Szilard)))
    Fermi (though (((Fermi’s wife))))
    Ernest Lawrence
    (((Otto Frisch)))
    (((Niels Bohr)))
    (((Felix Bloch)))
    (((James Franck)))
    (((Emilio Segre)))
    (((Klaus Fuchs)))
    Bethe – mischlinge with (((mother))), which makes him Jewish by definition.
    (((John von Neumann)))

    Less than 10% with no Jewish connection.

    Yeah, Groves headed up the project but an administrator, not a scientist. If the above is not a clear “majority” of the lead scientists, I don’t know what is. And from the Jewish perspective, if you can coopt some useful goys to get a bomb to bomb Hitler faster, then that’s a win in their book.

    I am not sure if you have ever studied modern physics (I have), but it is notoriously hard, and I am good at solving hard problems. It does not surprise me in the slightest that the people who have more of the most intelligent people on the globe, i.e. Jews, fleshed out the key positions – and that if they weren’t involved it would have been a show stopper.

    If the Jewish mean IQ is 112 and European is 100, then there is an IQ at which the Jews with their 15M outnumber the goys with their 1000M. I did calculate it at one time, it is greater than IQ 150, but I forget exactly where it is. Suffice to say, looking at world champions in fields like Chess, there is a point where the Jews outnumber the goys.

    Now, I am not Jewish – yes, I have a small quantum of Jewish DNA, but it’s not enough to define me as Jewish except by the most liberal of reform Jews perhaps, literally any Jewish club that would have me as a member would not be worth joining. (I’m sure there’s a pun in there to be made about an Jewish ex-gf of mine and members, I’ll leave that as an exercise to the reader. Certainly a club I remember fondly, though I found out partly through that relationship that the membership list was growing far too rapidly for my liking.)

    In any case, I consider myself White, and find that the Frankfurt School project, and what is being done by the likes of BLS and Potok to be thoroughly obnoxious. Basically a war is being waged against us, or maybe they consider it a project of sorts. (A war with a counterproductive objective, I might add.) However, I also do believe in giving credit where it is due. The first step in attempting to solve a problem is to acknowledge the reality with open eyes. Jews have more smarter people than us at the highest levels, and they work together. Kudos on the Manhattan project. Jews were smart enough to invent the A-Bomb and cold blooded enough to kill a few hundred thousand people with them in two strokes.

    How do you beat Bobby Fischer? Play him in anything but chess. So, you understand what their strategy is. You understand what the weak points are. And you institute your counters there by pitting our strengths against their weaknesses. If you look at the Viet Nam war, the Vietnamese didn’t have as good a military as the US, and probably didn’t have the edge in IQ at the top level either, but they had an objective and their plan worked against the USA. If styles make fights, then the Vietnamese opposition and tactics/strategy triumphed against the USA even if they didn’t win a single battle.

    Now, this is not to say that we must defeat the Jews (good luck with that, they have been around for 2k+ years), but we must defend ourselves. Part of the lesson of Viet Nam was to convince the USA that the fight was a bad idea. Eventually the USA learned that lesson, and Viet Nam was no longer seen as a threat. There is probably also something to be learned from that from our perspective.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Klaus Fuchs' dad was a Protestant minister and Niels Bohr was half Jewish.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Morton's toes

    , @JohnPlywood
    @Anonymous

    Jewish supremacist cope. Your contrived list of participants doesn't reflect the "most important" people on the project, and isn't what the Britannica link implied, either.

  130. @anonymous
    Will Peter Thiel start cheering on Chinese victory?

    Replies: @Richard B

    Will Peter Thiel start cheering on Chinese victory?

    Who knows? But good question. And where’s he been by the way? Maybe he saw early in the year where 2020 was going (or had inside information) and decided it’d be best for him to sit the rest of the year out til things blow over.

    In any event, he might want to consider this:

    The coming year should be a banner one for diversity.

    And a bad year for everything else because of diversity.

    Nasdaq is considering requirements for listings. Companies from Wells Fargo to Google to Delta Air Lines have diversity hiring goals in place.

    In other words, they have yet to make good on their word and actually engage in the kind of diversity POCs are expecting. If they don’t things are bound to get, well, noisy.

    The goal is to reach new customers and positively transform corporate cultures. In the immediate term that may translate into net layoffs of older, more expensive, Caucasian men

    Stuffing one’s company culture with people who can’t tolerate the cognitive tension that comes with the high-level problem-solving associated with any company culture is their idea of positive transformation of said culture. By now it should be perfectly obvious that chutzpah is synonymous with intellectual and moral imbecility.

    I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again, because it’s worth repeating. We’re in no position to laugh at the dinosaurs for getting themselves extinct. After all, they lasted a lot longer than we have so far.

  131. @ringo starr search
    @notsaying

    2000 trains a day used to arrive and depart Grand Central Station in the 1940s, and it was all done without incident and without computers.

    The Boeing 747 went from concept to delivery in two years, without any Computer Aided Design or simulations and modeling. Compare with recent Boeing projects.

    D-Day, in terms of men and machines probably the biggest operation in history, was planned and executed without computers.

    The Apollo program used no emails, Zoom, cellphones, etc... yet they pulled off the most complex and technically ambitious enterprise the world has ever known in less than eight years.

    Replies: @notsaying, @Ugetit, @3g4me, @showmethereal

    D-Day, in terms of men and machines probably the biggest operation in history, was planned and executed without computers.

    But not without assholes like “Gallipoli” Churchill, and massive screw ups.

    I’ll admit the source is somewhat sketchy, but…

    The deadly [practice for the D-Day invasion] exercise [Exercise Tiger] … was held at daylight and involved live ammunition. British and “U.S.” battleships were lobbing shells onto the beach where U.S. troops had just landed!! Additionally, the soldiers were fired upon from the beach.

    At that time, at least 450 U.S. soldiers were killed, and buried in a mass grave!

    Winston Churchill appointed Admiral Bertram Ramsay as commander of Exercise Tiger.

    In January 1945, Admiral Ramsay had a disagreement with Churchill and Montgomery about strategy, so he was killed in a plane crash!

    Real Admiral Moon was in charge of the U.S. convoy. To maintain his silence about the mass murder of U.S. military personnel, Moon was “suicided” in August.

    He was the only high ranking U.S. officer to commit “suicide” during the entire war!

    Source: http://reformation.org/winston-churchills-exercise-tiger.htm

    l

  132. @Harry Baldwin
    To paraphrase Homer Simpson, "To white men! The cause of, and solution to, all of the world's problems."

    BTW, what's with this: "President-elect Joe Biden, who is expected to continue the crackdown on Chinese acquisitions."

    China has Biden by the short hairs. Does anyone really think he is in a position to get tough with it?

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    As opposed to Donald Trump, who has given China a free hand in Asia and Southern Europe? But he did get Ivanka’s licensing agreements approved so there is that.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Peter Akuleyev


    Donald Trump, who has given China a free hand in Asia and Southern Europe
     
    Asia and Southern Europe can decide things for themselves.

    Americans don't care about foreign policy (except some Jews want it pro-Israel, and a few of the rest of us don't want random wars).
  133. @JohnPlywood
    @Anonymous

    Please show me where in that article it claims Jews were the majority on the manhattan project (which has nothing to do with the hydrogren bomb)?

    The Manhattan Project was organized, and mostly run by, Gentiles. From its Anglo founder (Vannevar Bush) on down to the bottom.

    The most important components of the bomb itself were made by Anglos and a Hispanic (Luis Alvarez contributed to the development of the exploding bridgewire detonator, which was essential for the timely detonation of multiple HE charges in the implosion devices).

    Aside from the exploding bridgewire detonator and the implosion charge assembly, the A bombs themselves were extraordinarily simple and not even different from the understanding of conventional explosives that existed at the time. Pretty much the entirety of the manhattan project consisted of building the world's first industrial-sized reactors, to purify radiological metals on a larger scale, and to find a way to accurately and timely detonate multiple conventional explosives charges with a singular jolt of electricity. Gentiles dominated both pursuits, and neither required the theoretical musings of Oppenheimer.

    Jews basically did nothing for the invention of the bomb itself and were entirely relegated to a symbolic role of theorizing how it actually worked. It was actually southern European gentiles who were overrepresented at the Manhattan Project, relative to their overall participation in theoretical physics and engineering at the time.


    The Soviet bomb project was largely headed by German National Socialists.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Anonymous, @That Would Be Telling

    Aside from the exploding bridgewire detonator and the implosion charge assembly, the A bombs themselves were extraordinarily simple

    True for the impractical except if you have a lot of U-235 gun assembly design, although gentile Leslie Groves as I recall is credited with the insight that the barrel etc. didn’t have to be really strong, it wasn’t going to survive the explosion. The hydrodynamics for implosion devices, and getting them to work properly were anything but “extraordinarily simple,” I’ve already mentioned how we used technology developed during the Manhattan Project to test implosions before trying it with extremely precious reactor bred plutonium, and I know Jews like John von Neumann and Richard Feynman contributed to that applied physics work. Einstein was called in, the best we know to help figure out the problem of the “urchin,” the device in the center of a plutonium sphere that helped initiate the chain reaction by releasing neutrons upon being crushed that’s still a closely guarded secret as far as I know.

    Jews basically did nothing for the invention of the bomb itself and were entirely relegated to a symbolic role of theorizing how it actually worked.

    Utter rot, without the theory we’d have never attempted it. Two Jews figured out how fission worked during a Christmas holiday, Lise Meitner had all the figures in her head and worked it out with her nephew Otto Frisch. Who then pushed both experiment and after relocating to the U.K., along with another Jew Rudolf Peierls made the key theoretical insight that no one independently made, that a practical bomb could work with fast neutrons, despite uranium having a much smaller fission cross-section than for thermal neutrons.

    See the Frisch–Peierls memorandum, and Hitler’s Uranium Club: The Secret Recordings at Farm Hall for how the gentile Germans captured by Operation Paperclip lead by the terminally poor choice of Heisenberg continued to be completely at sea despite knowing practical, dropped by B-29s atomic bombs could be made. See The Making of the Atomic Bomb for the best single account of the whole thing, the first half teaches you the basics of nuclear physics theory in its history of its development (much like the superb Thirty Years That Shook Physics does for quantum mechanics, also a necessary theoretical and experimental precursor for developing the bombs). If you can’t follow that first half, you’re not qualified to discuss both the theory and its importance to the Manhattan Project.

    And finally anyone who denigrates Oppenheimer’s role in management of the scientists working at Los Alamos is a fool of the highest order. Perhaps more than the science and engineering, the speed and total success of the Manhattan Project was a triumph of science and engineering management lead by gentile Leslie Groves, who somehow realized as unlikely as it seemed at the time that Oppenheimer was a very good fit for leading Los Alamos.

    A great many things had to go just right for us to have bombs we could drop before the doomed without liberal use of WMDs invasion of Japan was scheduled (the only thing with a higher priority than the Manhattan project was a super-Mulberry for the invasion of the Kantou plain which include Tokyo), and plenty of Jews made necessary but not sufficient contributions to the effort.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @That Would Be Telling

    You are severely confused and have no idea what you're babbling about.


    The hydrodynamics for implosion devices, and getting them to work properly were anything but “extraordinarily simple,”
     
    Yes, it was, and thankfully for the Manhattan Project, the science of shaped charges and tamps had already been established for them by the 1940s. If was no different.

    and I know Jews like John von Neumann and Richard Feynman contributed to that applied physics work.
     
    They contributed nothing necessary for the bomb's creation. Feynmann in particular was basically a student apprentice.

    Einstein was called in, the best we know to help figure out the problem of the “urchin,” the device in the center of a plutonium sphere that helped initiate the chain reaction by releasing neutrons upon being crushed that’s still a closely guarded secret as far as I know.
     
    This is the part where you revealed you have Alzheimer's disease.

    1/ Einstein was not involved in the creation or practical application of the "urchin".

    2/ The "urchin's" identity is not a secret: it's described in great detail on Wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urchin_(detonator)

    3/ You have clearly confused the "urchin" for FOGBANK, which was created in the 1970s and is still a closely guarded secret:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOGBANK


    Utter rot, without the theory we’d have never attempted it. Two Jews figured out how fission worked during a Christmas holiday, Lise Meitner had all the figures in her head and worked it out with her nephew Otto Frisch.
     
    Evidently not. Germany, USSR and Japan all had nuclear weapons programs without any of these individuals. Germany is supposed to have developed their own nuke by the end of the war, and was the reason why the USSR had one by 1949. No Meitners, Frischs, Oppenheimers or Einsteins.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus, @That Would Be Telling

  134. @AnotherDad
    You'd think after the whole decline and fall of the Roman Empire that white people would know how letting in hostile foreigners works out. Isn't the whole point of reading history to understand how the world works and not make the same mistakes?

    We just weren't that smart.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Corvinus

    You’d think after the whole decline and fall of the Roman Empire that white people would know how letting in hostile foreigners works out.

    The one thing we learn from history is that people don’t learn from history.

  135. @Alfa158
    @Seth Largo

    I’m retired now but keep in touch with slightly younger ex colleagues. Some of them are working at defense contractors and report they are basically writing their own tickets. Contractors can’t find STEM people who are willing to work for something that is not a start-up, who know what they are doing, and can qualify for a security clearance. Retirement age employees are being urged to keep working or at least work as contractors.
    One of my friends wanted full medical coverage for some expensive surgery so he allowed his contract client to keep jacking up their full time employment salary offer until it was close enough to what he was making from charging $175 an hour.
    Meanwhile at non defense tech companies the executives are firing everyone they can so they can bring their relatives from Mumbai onboard.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    I’m retired now but keep in touch with slightly younger ex colleagues. Some of them are working at defense contractors and report they are basically writing their own tickets. Contractors can’t find STEM people who are willing to work for something that is not a start-up, who know what they are doing, and can qualify for a security clearance.

    I too have a younger college who’s at least a 10X programmer, is over 40, and the only reason he still has a conventional job in software development is that he got and kept a serious security clearance a long while ago. That field of a sorts, as well as embedded programming to a degree are among the very few in the US that do not severely discriminate against older (white) programmers.

  136. @Seth Largo
    Anecdote: my father was given a golden handshake from his defense contractor employer. He stuck around to help train the younger, more diverse cohort coming (and the much smaller cohort than the boomer one about to exit).

    Within 3 months, he was back on the job, this time as a consultant. Doing the exact same thing he was doing before. Slightly less pay, but he can work from home, just three days a week, and he can still pull from his pension.

    The word from him on the defense contractor front is that companies would very much like to re-hire their white boomer experts as outside consultants, so that they can essentially keep them on the job but off the official employee books.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Wilkey

    The word from him on the defense contractor front is that companies would very much like to re-hire their white boomer experts as outside consultants, so that they can essentially keep them on the job but off the official employee books.

    We’ve been over this a thousand times: all you’ve gotta do is tell your employer you’re black or Hispanic or Native American or female. It’s not like they give DNA tests. All they do is report to the government whatever you yourself put down on your job application.

    Now it may not work for board members or high-ranking executives in public corporations, where the information is easily accessible and pictures and bios are on the websites, but in any lower position it is easy enough to get away with. Most companies won’t question your self-identification. They’re more than happy to report an extra minority, and one who is actually qualified to do the job, at that.

    Why are we still even having this discussion? Why are white people still honest when we’re asked by colleges or employers to report our race, all in support of a system that is trying to destroy us? Especially when it’s so damn easy to lie and get away with it and destroy that system?

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Bernie
    @Wilkey

    Haha ... me and my friends were talking about this strategy in the 1980s in high school.

    Certainly seems like things have gotten worse. Whites have a better future with people like the Chinese and Russians than with what used to be our country.

    , @Anonymous
    @Wilkey


    We’ve been over this a thousand times: all you’ve gotta do is tell your employer you’re black or Hispanic or Native American or female. It’s not like they give DNA tests. All they do is report to the government whatever you yourself put down on your job application.
     
    That will work until the black HR lady calls you out and demands you either prove your ancestry or be fired.

    Replies: @black sea, @Wilkey

  137. Anonymous[382] • Disclaimer says:

    I doubt this will happen. Maybe in the 90s and 2000s being white carried a certain amount of “kudos” in East Asia, there was a time when East Asian companies believed that employing a few whites was good for their image and that they had something to learn from whites.

    But now anti-white politics has reached East Asian countries, maybe not to the extent as in the US and UK, but I don’t think being white in East Asia affords the same respect and positive attitudes it once did. Especially now China in particular sees the “West” as very much a direct competitor and adversary now.

  138. @Wilkey
    @Seth Largo


    The word from him on the defense contractor front is that companies would very much like to re-hire their white boomer experts as outside consultants, so that they can essentially keep them on the job but off the official employee books.
     
    We’ve been over this a thousand times: all you’ve gotta do is tell your employer you’re black or Hispanic or Native American or female. It’s not like they give DNA tests. All they do is report to the government whatever you yourself put down on your job application.

    Now it may not work for board members or high-ranking executives in public corporations, where the information is easily accessible and pictures and bios are on the websites, but in any lower position it is easy enough to get away with. Most companies won’t question your self-identification. They’re more than happy to report an extra minority, and one who is actually qualified to do the job, at that.

    Why are we still even having this discussion? Why are white people still honest when we’re asked by colleges or employers to report our race, all in support of a system that is trying to destroy us? Especially when it’s so damn easy to lie and get away with it and destroy that system?

    Replies: @Bernie, @Anonymous

    Haha … me and my friends were talking about this strategy in the 1980s in high school.

    Certainly seems like things have gotten worse. Whites have a better future with people like the Chinese and Russians than with what used to be our country.

  139. @Kaz
    Eh I'm not seeing that happen..

    This is kind of ignoring how this rebalancing is happening.

    They aren't firing older competent white guys, they're just hiring less young white guys in proportion in their newer batches..

    Which is not a big deal these white guys just work at smaller satellite tech companies, that end up getting swallowed up by incumbent corps at a massive premium, and they get rewarded for it massively with their equity positions vesting.

    Shit needs to get done, these aren't government organizations, the money will run out if they don't remain productive.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Ben tillman, @Another German Reader, @Supply and Demand, @VivaLaMigra

    Just a FYI: it’s “…fewer white guys…” , not “…less white guys…” The rule is when you’re referring to things that come in discrete integer quantities, it’s “fewer.” When dealing in substances that can be infinitely divided, it’s “less.” That’s been the proper English word usage word for centuries. Don’t argue with it. The language is part of our culture, so DEFEND it. Other cultures defend theirs.

  140. @Jesse
    @JackOH

    Finland isn't recruiting White guys. They're importing tech workers to drag wages down and avoid doing the hard work of growing their own. Or do Finnish and Chinese workers deserve to have their bargaining power diluted?

    Replies: @JackOH, @Daniel Chieh

    Finnish employment laws make any other strategy impossible. It’s that or going to Estonia.

  141. @Larry, San Francisco
    @Gross Terry

    I think this is a bit overblown. Of the top scientists of the bomb there was Fermi who was not Jewish (but a refugee from Fascism with a Jewish wife) but then there then there was Oppenheimer, Teller, Szilard and Von Neuman. The scientist who first realized the potential power of fission was the German Jewish scientist Lise Meitner who had to flee from the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute and told her nephew Otto Frisch who with (Rudolph Peierls another German Jewish physicist) developed the theory of how to create a nuclear explosion.
    I bet on the lower level many working on the bomb were also Jewish like Feynman. I went to U. of Chicago and several of my friends parents and grandparents who worked at Argonne and Fermilab had earlier worked on the Manhattan project. Most but not all of them were Jews. One interesting exception was a gentile friend of mine whose grandfather was a student of Heisenberg and who he, after his Jewish colleagues were expelled, got into a huge tiff with. After this he fled Germany and ended up working on the Manhattan project.
    I am not sure how the Russian bomb could have been any more Jewish. My guess is that because of post war Soviet anti-Semitism it wasn't except at the high level where you need the smartest people

    Replies: @Gross Terry

    I am not sure how the Russian bomb could have been any more Jewish

    Especially if you include the American spies.

  142. @ringo starr search
    @notsaying

    2000 trains a day used to arrive and depart Grand Central Station in the 1940s, and it was all done without incident and without computers.

    The Boeing 747 went from concept to delivery in two years, without any Computer Aided Design or simulations and modeling. Compare with recent Boeing projects.

    D-Day, in terms of men and machines probably the biggest operation in history, was planned and executed without computers.

    The Apollo program used no emails, Zoom, cellphones, etc... yet they pulled off the most complex and technically ambitious enterprise the world has ever known in less than eight years.

    Replies: @notsaying, @Ugetit, @3g4me, @showmethereal

    @101 ringo starr search: White people, White culture, White intellect, White world. 95% of the world’s wretched denizens could disappear tomorrow (all the other races and the insane GoodWhites) and the remaining 4.5 % of Whites would do just fine.

  143. @notsaying
    @Supply and Demand

    Do you see yourself staying in China for much longer?

    I have seen negative things in the news about the Confucius Institute. I question if they should be allowed in the US. Now that the Chinese are becoming so aggressive and adding to their military might I am starting to rethink the idea of us providing them with high level knowledge here or abroad.

    What do you make of all this? The trends are not good.

    Replies: @3g4me

    @108 notsaying: “Now that the Chinese are becoming so aggressive and adding to their military might I am starting to rethink the idea of us providing them with high level knowledge here or abroad.”

    Classic Sailer commentator. A few decades too late and many million White people short. But oh, so terribly thoughtful.

  144. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Elli

    Oh crap! You mean commenter "Supply & Demand" might move back here. NOOOOO!!

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    I’ve still got another 26 years over here, bud. I’m willing to place around 2-3 BTC on a meeting platform of your choice that there won’t be an United States of America left to return to by then.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Supply and Demand


    I’ve still got another 26 years over here, bud.
     
    Wheeewwww!

    I wouldn't take your bet in real money, as I agree with you there, S&D. However, there's no way China of 2046 would let you spend your money the way you want, on some kind of bet. You will use your provided phone to buy what the CCP says you need to buy, prole.
  145. @That Would Be Telling
    @JohnPlywood


    Aside from the exploding bridgewire detonator and the implosion charge assembly, the A bombs themselves were extraordinarily simple
     
    True for the impractical except if you have a lot of U-235 gun assembly design, although gentile Leslie Groves as I recall is credited with the insight that the barrel etc. didn't have to be really strong, it wasn't going to survive the explosion. The hydrodynamics for implosion devices, and getting them to work properly were anything but "extraordinarily simple," I've already mentioned how we used technology developed during the Manhattan Project to test implosions before trying it with extremely precious reactor bred plutonium, and I know Jews like John von Neumann and Richard Feynman contributed to that applied physics work. Einstein was called in, the best we know to help figure out the problem of the "urchin," the device in the center of a plutonium sphere that helped initiate the chain reaction by releasing neutrons upon being crushed that's still a closely guarded secret as far as I know.

    Jews basically did nothing for the invention of the bomb itself and were entirely relegated to a symbolic role of theorizing how it actually worked.
     
    Utter rot, without the theory we'd have never attempted it. Two Jews figured out how fission worked during a Christmas holiday, Lise Meitner had all the figures in her head and worked it out with her nephew Otto Frisch. Who then pushed both experiment and after relocating to the U.K., along with another Jew Rudolf Peierls made the key theoretical insight that no one independently made, that a practical bomb could work with fast neutrons, despite uranium having a much smaller fission cross-section than for thermal neutrons.

    See the Frisch–Peierls memorandum, and Hitler's Uranium Club: The Secret Recordings at Farm Hall for how the gentile Germans captured by Operation Paperclip lead by the terminally poor choice of Heisenberg continued to be completely at sea despite knowing practical, dropped by B-29s atomic bombs could be made. See The Making of the Atomic Bomb for the best single account of the whole thing, the first half teaches you the basics of nuclear physics theory in its history of its development (much like the superb Thirty Years That Shook Physics does for quantum mechanics, also a necessary theoretical and experimental precursor for developing the bombs). If you can't follow that first half, you're not qualified to discuss both the theory and its importance to the Manhattan Project.

    And finally anyone who denigrates Oppenheimer's role in management of the scientists working at Los Alamos is a fool of the highest order. Perhaps more than the science and engineering, the speed and total success of the Manhattan Project was a triumph of science and engineering management lead by gentile Leslie Groves, who somehow realized as unlikely as it seemed at the time that Oppenheimer was a very good fit for leading Los Alamos.

    A great many things had to go just right for us to have bombs we could drop before the doomed without liberal use of WMDs invasion of Japan was scheduled (the only thing with a higher priority than the Manhattan project was a super-Mulberry for the invasion of the Kantou plain which include Tokyo), and plenty of Jews made necessary but not sufficient contributions to the effort.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    You are severely confused and have no idea what you’re babbling about.

    The hydrodynamics for implosion devices, and getting them to work properly were anything but “extraordinarily simple,”

    Yes, it was, and thankfully for the Manhattan Project, the science of shaped charges and tamps had already been established for them by the 1940s. If was no different.

    and I know Jews like John von Neumann and Richard Feynman contributed to that applied physics work.

    They contributed nothing necessary for the bomb’s creation. Feynmann in particular was basically a student apprentice.

    Einstein was called in, the best we know to help figure out the problem of the “urchin,” the device in the center of a plutonium sphere that helped initiate the chain reaction by releasing neutrons upon being crushed that’s still a closely guarded secret as far as I know.

    This is the part where you revealed you have Alzheimer’s disease.

    1/ Einstein was not involved in the creation or practical application of the “urchin”.

    2/ The “urchin’s” identity is not a secret: it’s described in great detail on Wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urchin_(detonator)

    3/ You have clearly confused the “urchin” for FOGBANK, which was created in the 1970s and is still a closely guarded secret:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOGBANK

    Utter rot, without the theory we’d have never attempted it. Two Jews figured out how fission worked during a Christmas holiday, Lise Meitner had all the figures in her head and worked it out with her nephew Otto Frisch.

    Evidently not. Germany, USSR and Japan all had nuclear weapons programs without any of these individuals. Germany is supposed to have developed their own nuke by the end of the war, and was the reason why the USSR had one by 1949. No Meitners, Frischs, Oppenheimers or Einsteins.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @JohnPlywood

    Your reply is self-refuting. If the Germans had all that they needed to develop an atomic weapon without any help from Jews or Jewish physics, why didn't they develop one before they lost the war?

    Why is it so important to you to prove that the atomic bomb was a purely gentile effort?

    Replies: @anon, @That Would Be Telling, @Johann Ricke

    , @Corvinus
    @JohnPlywood

    "They contributed nothing necessary for the bomb’s creation. Feynmann in particular was basically a student apprentice."

    https://www.thomasnet.com/insights/jon-von-neumann-the-mathematician-who-you-may-not-realize-changed-your-world/

    John von Neumann’s Role in the Manhattan Project


    After completing his education, von Neumann emigrated to the United States upon invitation from Princeton University in New Jersey as a professor of mathematical physics. Von Neumann took a great interest in the field of explosions, which was very difficult to model accurately at the time without computers, given the highly dynamic nature of the subject.

    His work eventually led him to be recruited for the Manhattan Project, which was tasked with developing the first atomic bomb. He made a critical contribution to the project, developing the concept and design of the bomb ignition.

    Put simply, a fission nuclear device works by creating a high-pressure, high-temperature compression of a uranium-235 core, or a “supercritical core.” This creates a state in which neutrons produced from the rapidly decaying uranium-235 have a high probability of impacting other uranium-235 atoms, causing them to decay and produce a chain reaction, releasing high amounts of energy in the form of heat and light.
     
    Richard Feynman...

    https://www.atomicheritage.org/key-documents/feynman-los-alamos

    This project was ultimately decided not to be the way that they were going to separate uranium. We were told then that we were going to stop and that there would be starting in Los Alamos, New Mexico, the project that would actually make the bomb and that we would all go out there to make it. There would be experiments that we would have to do, and theoretical work to do. I was in the theoretical work; all the rest of the fellows were in experimental work.

    The question then was what to do, because we had this hiatus of time since we’d just be told to turn off and Los Alamos wasn’t ready yet. Bob Wilson tried to make use of his time by sending me to Chicago to find out all that I could about the bomb and the problems so that we could start to build in our laboratories equipment, counters of various kinds, and so on that would be useful when we got to Los Alamos.

    So no time was wasted. I was sent to Chicago with the instructions to go to each group, tell them I was going to work with them, have them tell me about a problem to the extent that I knew enough detail so that I could actually sit down and start to work on the problem, and as soon as I got that far go to another guy and ask for a problem, and that way I would understand the details of everything. It was a very good idea, although my conscience bothered me a little bit. But it turned out accidentally (I was very lucky) that as one of the guys explained a problem I said why don’t you do it that way and in a half an hour he had it solved, and they’d been working on it for three months. So, I did something!
     
    , @That Would Be Telling
    @JohnPlywood



    The hydrodynamics for implosion devices, and getting them to work properly were anything but “extraordinarily simple,”
     
    Yes, it was, and thankfully for the Manhattan Project, the science of shaped charges and tamps had already been established for them by the 1940s. If was no different.
     
    A symmetric implosion is not entirely unlike shaped charges, but different enough they had to some difficult work to solve problems about it numerically. Which Feynman played a role in.


    and I know Jews like John von Neumann and Richard Feynman contributed to that applied physics work.
     
    They contributed nothing necessary for the bomb’s creation. Feynmann in particular was basically a student apprentice.
     

     Yet, somehow, Feynman got the attention of Niels Bohr Nicholas Baker (he didn't freeze up when it came time to talk physics). He maybe wasn't necessary for the development, but that's a ludicrous motte to retreat to, especially since scientists are not interchangeable cogs. John von Neumann on the other hand was already the preeminent mathematician of the era, yet somehow you claim math wasn't "necessary" for the creation of working, deployable atomic bombs??

    [OK, maybe Rhodes was wrong about Einstein working on the urchin, or my memory is incorrect, and I hadn't know so many of the secrets of the urchin are claimed to have been revealed]

    Utter rot, without the theory we’d have never attempted it. Two Jews figured out how fission worked during a Christmas holiday, Lise Meitner had all the figures in her head and worked it out with her nephew Otto Frisch.
     
    Evidently not. Germany, USSR and Japan all had nuclear weapons programs without any of these individuals.
     
    You are clearly completely unaware of Meitner and Frisch's work, which was pre-war and therefore published for all those countries to see, all of whom failed to come even close to developing atomic bombs before we demonstrated they'd actually work and be worth the vast effort required to manufacture fissionables for them.

    Germany is supposed to have developed their own nuke by the end of the war, and was the reason why the USSR had one by 1949.
     
    If you weren't a troll, I'd demand a Citation Needed, because the Germans weren't even close to making a reactor work, and the Soviets didn't get their first one working until over a year after the bombings proved beyond any doubt it could be done and was worth doing. The Germans screwed up by discarding the possibility of using pure enough graphite as a moderator, we screwed them over in heavy water procurement, and they ultimately screwed up by putting Heisenberg in charge as I mentioned.

    You also snipped the single most critical bit about the Frisch–Peierls memorandum, those two Jews being the only men who figured out the way to make a practical nuclear weapon by using fast neutrons. Which we then showed could indeed be done, and their being carried by B-29s provided maximum weight etc. budgets. And how can you claim to be ignorant of the multiple Soviet spy networks that penetrated Los Alamos, one we still don't know any of the details of?

    You live in an alternate reality to the rest of us, when you don't just resort to insult, moving the goalposts, or simply ignoring the points you can't answer. I have to repeat Jack D's point, "Why is it so important to you to prove that the atomic bomb was a purely gentile effort?" There's plenty enough credit to go around.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

  146. @Eugene Norman
    @Jesse


    Exactly. It’s amazing how stupid the White men here are being. China doesn’t love you. China won’t rescue you. China owes you nothing.
     
    So what? if they can hoover up some talent that’s discarded in the US they will do it.

    That’s another reason why the US Empire is accelerating its decline. It relies on male white and Asian, mostly Chinese, talent to produce its STEM output but it attacks both of them, from the left (white and male privilege) and the Chinese from the right (disloyal spies). The latter charge will increase over time. Chinese students will bear the brunt of it and probably stop coming, but even Chinese Americans will be suspect if the new Cold War accelerates. If Chinese students aren’t doing the stem subjects and white Americans are discouraged to, this means the acceleration of grievance studies that will no doubt keep the empire alive for generations to come. I’m looking forward to non phallic shaped missiles myself.

    Also, it may not happen but an alliance between China and European nationalists would do a lot to scupper the transatlantic alliance.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Jack D, @showmethereal

    Also, it may not happen but an alliance between China and European nationalists would do a lot to scupper the transatlantic alliance.

    Dream on – not going to happen in any of the important European countries. If some marginal member of the alliance like Hungary decides to make an unwise alliance with a dictator (wouldn’t be the first time) it would make no difference to the transatlantic alliance. We can get by nicely without the Hungarian Navy, thank you.

    The one alliance that would be most threatening to NATO would be a Chinese-Russian alliance. But China and Russia are natural competitors and not natural allies so Chinese-Russian alliances tend to be very short lived. Even if both countries are ruled by similar dictators, the fundamental national interests are at odds with each other and those prevail over the affinity of dictators for each other. Dictators don’t really have much affinity for other countries anyway unless they can own them.

  147. @AnotherDad
    You'd think after the whole decline and fall of the Roman Empire that white people would know how letting in hostile foreigners works out. Isn't the whole point of reading history to understand how the world works and not make the same mistakes?

    We just weren't that smart.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Corvinus

    “You’d think after the whole decline and fall of the Roman Empire that white people would know how letting in hostile foreigners works out.”

    Depends really on how one defines “hostile foreigners”. Consider that “Heritage Americans”, aka WASPs, deemed Germans, the Irish, Poles, Italians, and Slavs as befitting of that description at various points in time. Were they correct or incorrect? Why?

    • Troll: GeneralRipper
  148. @JohnPlywood
    @That Would Be Telling

    You are severely confused and have no idea what you're babbling about.


    The hydrodynamics for implosion devices, and getting them to work properly were anything but “extraordinarily simple,”
     
    Yes, it was, and thankfully for the Manhattan Project, the science of shaped charges and tamps had already been established for them by the 1940s. If was no different.

    and I know Jews like John von Neumann and Richard Feynman contributed to that applied physics work.
     
    They contributed nothing necessary for the bomb's creation. Feynmann in particular was basically a student apprentice.

    Einstein was called in, the best we know to help figure out the problem of the “urchin,” the device in the center of a plutonium sphere that helped initiate the chain reaction by releasing neutrons upon being crushed that’s still a closely guarded secret as far as I know.
     
    This is the part where you revealed you have Alzheimer's disease.

    1/ Einstein was not involved in the creation or practical application of the "urchin".

    2/ The "urchin's" identity is not a secret: it's described in great detail on Wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urchin_(detonator)

    3/ You have clearly confused the "urchin" for FOGBANK, which was created in the 1970s and is still a closely guarded secret:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOGBANK


    Utter rot, without the theory we’d have never attempted it. Two Jews figured out how fission worked during a Christmas holiday, Lise Meitner had all the figures in her head and worked it out with her nephew Otto Frisch.
     
    Evidently not. Germany, USSR and Japan all had nuclear weapons programs without any of these individuals. Germany is supposed to have developed their own nuke by the end of the war, and was the reason why the USSR had one by 1949. No Meitners, Frischs, Oppenheimers or Einsteins.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus, @That Would Be Telling

    Your reply is self-refuting. If the Germans had all that they needed to develop an atomic weapon without any help from Jews or Jewish physics, why didn’t they develop one before they lost the war?

    Why is it so important to you to prove that the atomic bomb was a purely gentile effort?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jack D

    Why is it so important to you to prove that the atomic bomb was a purely gentile effort?

    Might as well ask "Why is trolling so important to troll accounts"?

    The question answers itself.

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Jack D


    If the Germans had all that they needed to develop an atomic weapon without any help from Jews or Jewish physics, why didn’t they develop one before they lost the war?
     
    Rhodes' conclusion, which he supports very well, is that it was organizationally impossible for the Germans to do after they started the war in their part of the world, and the same for the US prior to entering the war. In part a question of allocating resources, which were immense even after we showed one workable and not completely insanely expensive path to it.

    Upon arriving in the US Niels Bohr Nicholas Baker noted we'd solved what he'd considered to be an insurmountable problem by vast industrial works. He said it much better, and it must be noted Denmark, or even the parts of Europe he'd be most familiar with were on a rather different scale than the continental US.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    Your reply is self-refuting. If the Germans had all that they needed to develop an atomic weapon without any help from Jews or Jewish physics, why didn’t they develop one before they lost the war?
     
    Not exactly. If pure brainpower were sufficient, Jews would presumably have developed an A-bomb sometime before the First Temple was rubbled by Nebuchadnezzar.
  149. @JohnPlywood
    @That Would Be Telling

    You are severely confused and have no idea what you're babbling about.


    The hydrodynamics for implosion devices, and getting them to work properly were anything but “extraordinarily simple,”
     
    Yes, it was, and thankfully for the Manhattan Project, the science of shaped charges and tamps had already been established for them by the 1940s. If was no different.

    and I know Jews like John von Neumann and Richard Feynman contributed to that applied physics work.
     
    They contributed nothing necessary for the bomb's creation. Feynmann in particular was basically a student apprentice.

    Einstein was called in, the best we know to help figure out the problem of the “urchin,” the device in the center of a plutonium sphere that helped initiate the chain reaction by releasing neutrons upon being crushed that’s still a closely guarded secret as far as I know.
     
    This is the part where you revealed you have Alzheimer's disease.

    1/ Einstein was not involved in the creation or practical application of the "urchin".

    2/ The "urchin's" identity is not a secret: it's described in great detail on Wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urchin_(detonator)

    3/ You have clearly confused the "urchin" for FOGBANK, which was created in the 1970s and is still a closely guarded secret:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOGBANK


    Utter rot, without the theory we’d have never attempted it. Two Jews figured out how fission worked during a Christmas holiday, Lise Meitner had all the figures in her head and worked it out with her nephew Otto Frisch.
     
    Evidently not. Germany, USSR and Japan all had nuclear weapons programs without any of these individuals. Germany is supposed to have developed their own nuke by the end of the war, and was the reason why the USSR had one by 1949. No Meitners, Frischs, Oppenheimers or Einsteins.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus, @That Would Be Telling

    “They contributed nothing necessary for the bomb’s creation. Feynmann in particular was basically a student apprentice.”

    https://www.thomasnet.com/insights/jon-von-neumann-the-mathematician-who-you-may-not-realize-changed-your-world/

    John von Neumann’s Role in the Manhattan Project

    After completing his education, von Neumann emigrated to the United States upon invitation from Princeton University in New Jersey as a professor of mathematical physics. Von Neumann took a great interest in the field of explosions, which was very difficult to model accurately at the time without computers, given the highly dynamic nature of the subject.

    His work eventually led him to be recruited for the Manhattan Project, which was tasked with developing the first atomic bomb. He made a critical contribution to the project, developing the concept and design of the bomb ignition.

    Put simply, a fission nuclear device works by creating a high-pressure, high-temperature compression of a uranium-235 core, or a “supercritical core.” This creates a state in which neutrons produced from the rapidly decaying uranium-235 have a high probability of impacting other uranium-235 atoms, causing them to decay and produce a chain reaction, releasing high amounts of energy in the form of heat and light.

    Richard Feynman…

    https://www.atomicheritage.org/key-documents/feynman-los-alamos

    This project was ultimately decided not to be the way that they were going to separate uranium. We were told then that we were going to stop and that there would be starting in Los Alamos, New Mexico, the project that would actually make the bomb and that we would all go out there to make it. There would be experiments that we would have to do, and theoretical work to do. I was in the theoretical work; all the rest of the fellows were in experimental work.

    The question then was what to do, because we had this hiatus of time since we’d just be told to turn off and Los Alamos wasn’t ready yet. Bob Wilson tried to make use of his time by sending me to Chicago to find out all that I could about the bomb and the problems so that we could start to build in our laboratories equipment, counters of various kinds, and so on that would be useful when we got to Los Alamos.

    So no time was wasted. I was sent to Chicago with the instructions to go to each group, tell them I was going to work with them, have them tell me about a problem to the extent that I knew enough detail so that I could actually sit down and start to work on the problem, and as soon as I got that far go to another guy and ask for a problem, and that way I would understand the details of everything. It was a very good idea, although my conscience bothered me a little bit. But it turned out accidentally (I was very lucky) that as one of the guys explained a problem I said why don’t you do it that way and in a half an hour he had it solved, and they’d been working on it for three months. So, I did something!

  150. @Anon
    @Jesse

    Nice chutzpah and made up narrative that has nothing to do with anything that anyone is saying. I didn't have lunch yet. Jew?

    I think you're underestimating, or just simply don't care, how little your input is welcomed here on "this end of the right." But then again you won't leave us alone right? Because you're a terrible person and you just like to bother people.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    Honestly it’s simpler than that. Hilariously, it’s just spurred by intrasexual competition against Slavic women.

  151. “The term “affirmative action” was first used in the United States in “Executive Order No. 10925″,[13] signed by President John F. Kennedy on 6 March 1961…”

    The goal of affirmative action has been reached…..

    https://quillette.com/2020/12/22/a-peculiar-kind-of-racist-patriarchy/

    Asian women have now surpassed white men in weekly earnings.
    …the median household incomes of Syrian Americans ($74,047), Korean Americans ($76,674), Indonesian Americans ($93,501), Taiwanese Americans ($102,405), and Filipino Americans ($100,273) are all significantly higher than that of whites ($69,823)

    https://i2.wp.com/d24fkeqntp1r7r.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/21185744/unnamed.jpg?resize=755%2C1017&ssl=1

  152. @Jack D
    @JohnPlywood

    Your reply is self-refuting. If the Germans had all that they needed to develop an atomic weapon without any help from Jews or Jewish physics, why didn't they develop one before they lost the war?

    Why is it so important to you to prove that the atomic bomb was a purely gentile effort?

    Replies: @anon, @That Would Be Telling, @Johann Ricke

    Why is it so important to you to prove that the atomic bomb was a purely gentile effort?

    Might as well ask “Why is trolling so important to troll accounts”?

    The question answers itself.

  153. @Anonymous
    @JohnPlywood

    https://www.britannica.com/event/Manhattan-Project

    Most important scientists:


    American physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer headed the project to develop the atomic bomb, and Edward Teller was among the first recruited for the project. Leo Szilard and Enrico Fermi built the first nuclear reactor. Ernest Orlando Lawrence was program chief in charge of the development of the electromagnetic process of separating uranium-235. Other notable researchers included Otto Frisch, Niels Bohr, Felix Bloch, James Franck, Emilio Segrè, Klaus Fuchs, Hans Bethe, and John von Neumann. The person who oversaw the project, however, was not a scientist. He was Brig. Gen. Leslie R. Groves.
     
    (((Oppenheimer)))
    (((Teller)))
    (((Szilard)))
    Fermi (though (((Fermi's wife))))
    Ernest Lawrence
    (((Otto Frisch)))
    (((Niels Bohr)))
    (((Felix Bloch)))
    (((James Franck)))
    (((Emilio Segre)))
    (((Klaus Fuchs)))
    Bethe - mischlinge with (((mother))), which makes him Jewish by definition.
    (((John von Neumann)))

    Less than 10% with no Jewish connection.

    Yeah, Groves headed up the project but an administrator, not a scientist. If the above is not a clear "majority" of the lead scientists, I don't know what is. And from the Jewish perspective, if you can coopt some useful goys to get a bomb to bomb Hitler faster, then that's a win in their book.

    I am not sure if you have ever studied modern physics (I have), but it is notoriously hard, and I am good at solving hard problems. It does not surprise me in the slightest that the people who have more of the most intelligent people on the globe, i.e. Jews, fleshed out the key positions - and that if they weren't involved it would have been a show stopper.

    If the Jewish mean IQ is 112 and European is 100, then there is an IQ at which the Jews with their 15M outnumber the goys with their 1000M. I did calculate it at one time, it is greater than IQ 150, but I forget exactly where it is. Suffice to say, looking at world champions in fields like Chess, there is a point where the Jews outnumber the goys.

    Now, I am not Jewish - yes, I have a small quantum of Jewish DNA, but it's not enough to define me as Jewish except by the most liberal of reform Jews perhaps, literally any Jewish club that would have me as a member would not be worth joining. (I'm sure there's a pun in there to be made about an Jewish ex-gf of mine and members, I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader. Certainly a club I remember fondly, though I found out partly through that relationship that the membership list was growing far too rapidly for my liking.)

    In any case, I consider myself White, and find that the Frankfurt School project, and what is being done by the likes of BLS and Potok to be thoroughly obnoxious. Basically a war is being waged against us, or maybe they consider it a project of sorts. (A war with a counterproductive objective, I might add.) However, I also do believe in giving credit where it is due. The first step in attempting to solve a problem is to acknowledge the reality with open eyes. Jews have more smarter people than us at the highest levels, and they work together. Kudos on the Manhattan project. Jews were smart enough to invent the A-Bomb and cold blooded enough to kill a few hundred thousand people with them in two strokes.

    How do you beat Bobby Fischer? Play him in anything but chess. So, you understand what their strategy is. You understand what the weak points are. And you institute your counters there by pitting our strengths against their weaknesses. If you look at the Viet Nam war, the Vietnamese didn't have as good a military as the US, and probably didn't have the edge in IQ at the top level either, but they had an objective and their plan worked against the USA. If styles make fights, then the Vietnamese opposition and tactics/strategy triumphed against the USA even if they didn't win a single battle.

    Now, this is not to say that we must defeat the Jews (good luck with that, they have been around for 2k+ years), but we must defend ourselves. Part of the lesson of Viet Nam was to convince the USA that the fight was a bad idea. Eventually the USA learned that lesson, and Viet Nam was no longer seen as a threat. There is probably also something to be learned from that from our perspective.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JohnPlywood

    Klaus Fuchs’ dad was a Protestant minister and Niels Bohr was half Jewish.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    Why are you mentioning Fuchs' father? Is there some confusion about gender?

    , @Morton's toes
    @Steve Sailer

    Also Bohr was not part of the bomb project. He resided in Denmark throughout the war. Denmark was occupied and his letters in/out were all copied by the Germans.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  154. @JohnPlywood
    @That Would Be Telling

    You are severely confused and have no idea what you're babbling about.


    The hydrodynamics for implosion devices, and getting them to work properly were anything but “extraordinarily simple,”
     
    Yes, it was, and thankfully for the Manhattan Project, the science of shaped charges and tamps had already been established for them by the 1940s. If was no different.

    and I know Jews like John von Neumann and Richard Feynman contributed to that applied physics work.
     
    They contributed nothing necessary for the bomb's creation. Feynmann in particular was basically a student apprentice.

    Einstein was called in, the best we know to help figure out the problem of the “urchin,” the device in the center of a plutonium sphere that helped initiate the chain reaction by releasing neutrons upon being crushed that’s still a closely guarded secret as far as I know.
     
    This is the part where you revealed you have Alzheimer's disease.

    1/ Einstein was not involved in the creation or practical application of the "urchin".

    2/ The "urchin's" identity is not a secret: it's described in great detail on Wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urchin_(detonator)

    3/ You have clearly confused the "urchin" for FOGBANK, which was created in the 1970s and is still a closely guarded secret:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOGBANK


    Utter rot, without the theory we’d have never attempted it. Two Jews figured out how fission worked during a Christmas holiday, Lise Meitner had all the figures in her head and worked it out with her nephew Otto Frisch.
     
    Evidently not. Germany, USSR and Japan all had nuclear weapons programs without any of these individuals. Germany is supposed to have developed their own nuke by the end of the war, and was the reason why the USSR had one by 1949. No Meitners, Frischs, Oppenheimers or Einsteins.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus, @That Would Be Telling

    The hydrodynamics for implosion devices, and getting them to work properly were anything but “extraordinarily simple,”

    Yes, it was, and thankfully for the Manhattan Project, the science of shaped charges and tamps had already been established for them by the 1940s. If was no different.

    A symmetric implosion is not entirely unlike shaped charges, but different enough they had to some difficult work to solve problems about it numerically. Which Feynman played a role in.

    and I know Jews like John von Neumann and Richard Feynman contributed to that applied physics work.

    They contributed nothing necessary for the bomb’s creation. Feynmann in particular was basically a student apprentice.

    Yet, somehow, Feynman got the attention of Niels Bohr Nicholas Baker (he didn’t freeze up when it came time to talk physics). He maybe wasn’t necessary for the development, but that’s a ludicrous motte to retreat to, especially since scientists are not interchangeable cogs. John von Neumann on the other hand was already the preeminent mathematician of the era, yet somehow you claim math wasn’t “necessary” for the creation of working, deployable atomic bombs??

    [OK, maybe Rhodes was wrong about Einstein working on the urchin, or my memory is incorrect, and I hadn’t know so many of the secrets of the urchin are claimed to have been revealed]

    Utter rot, without the theory we’d have never attempted it. Two Jews figured out how fission worked during a Christmas holiday, Lise Meitner had all the figures in her head and worked it out with her nephew Otto Frisch.

    Evidently not. Germany, USSR and Japan all had nuclear weapons programs without any of these individuals.

    You are clearly completely unaware of Meitner and Frisch’s work, which was pre-war and therefore published for all those countries to see, all of whom failed to come even close to developing atomic bombs before we demonstrated they’d actually work and be worth the vast effort required to manufacture fissionables for them.

    Germany is supposed to have developed their own nuke by the end of the war, and was the reason why the USSR had one by 1949.

    If you weren’t a troll, I’d demand a Citation Needed, because the Germans weren’t even close to making a reactor work, and the Soviets didn’t get their first one working until over a year after the bombings proved beyond any doubt it could be done and was worth doing. The Germans screwed up by discarding the possibility of using pure enough graphite as a moderator, we screwed them over in heavy water procurement, and they ultimately screwed up by putting Heisenberg in charge as I mentioned.

    You also snipped the single most critical bit about the Frisch–Peierls memorandum, those two Jews being the only men who figured out the way to make a practical nuclear weapon by using fast neutrons. Which we then showed could indeed be done, and their being carried by B-29s provided maximum weight etc. budgets. And how can you claim to be ignorant of the multiple Soviet spy networks that penetrated Los Alamos, one we still don’t know any of the details of?

    You live in an alternate reality to the rest of us, when you don’t just resort to insult, moving the goalposts, or simply ignoring the points you can’t answer. I have to repeat Jack D’s point, “Why is it so important to you to prove that the atomic bomb was a purely gentile effort?” There’s plenty enough credit to go around.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @That Would Be Telling

    I don't live in an alternate reality -- remember, I said the Germans are SUPPOSED to have developed a nuclear bomb. The alleged detonation took place March 4, 1945, near Ohrdruf. Approx. 700 ethnic prisoners were horribly killed. Although the Americans today say the Germans never had a productive nuclear reactor, that is of course disinformation, like much of their whimpy criticism (but shameless aping) of German technology post-war.

    I personally suspect the Ohrdruf test did happen -- and that what Meitner and Frisch told the world was in fact something the Germans told Meitner and Frisch. Anyway, the old guys on the Manhattan Project plainly admitted the Germans had everything necessary to make the bomb, in this '45 memo:


    http://knoxblogs.com/atomiccity/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2011/07/germanyatomic.pdf

  155. @Jack D
    @JohnPlywood

    Your reply is self-refuting. If the Germans had all that they needed to develop an atomic weapon without any help from Jews or Jewish physics, why didn't they develop one before they lost the war?

    Why is it so important to you to prove that the atomic bomb was a purely gentile effort?

    Replies: @anon, @That Would Be Telling, @Johann Ricke

    If the Germans had all that they needed to develop an atomic weapon without any help from Jews or Jewish physics, why didn’t they develop one before they lost the war?

    Rhodes’ conclusion, which he supports very well, is that it was organizationally impossible for the Germans to do after they started the war in their part of the world, and the same for the US prior to entering the war. In part a question of allocating resources, which were immense even after we showed one workable and not completely insanely expensive path to it.

    Upon arriving in the US Niels Bohr Nicholas Baker noted we’d solved what he’d considered to be an insurmountable problem by vast industrial works. He said it much better, and it must be noted Denmark, or even the parts of Europe he’d be most familiar with were on a rather different scale than the continental US.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Sean
    @That Would Be Telling

    German scientists in US captivity were given the news of Hiroshima and their conversations bugged. To cut a long story short, it seems that Ben Elton's great uncle/ Olivia Newton-John grandfather's best student (Werner Heisenberg was far smarter than Robert Oppenheimer) spent most of his time in the Third Reich bullshitting about how building an atomic bomb would require an unfeasibly large amount of uranium. Pascual Jordan--also smarter than Oppenheimer--was a Nazi but distrusted because of his advocating for Jewish professors.

    Moreover, a certain Austrian Wagner enthusiast was always assigning top priority to projects, often without giving any extra resources, and his science advisor apparently avoided mentioning possibility of an atomic bomb out of fear the fuhrer would demand they institute a crash program to build one ASAP.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  156. China stopped accepting plastic recycling through the WTO in 2017; now they can recycle the new most wretched refuse from Gyno-Green-Fascism, yearning to breathe free

  157. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Klaus Fuchs' dad was a Protestant minister and Niels Bohr was half Jewish.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Morton's toes

    Why are you mentioning Fuchs’ father? Is there some confusion about gender?

  158. @ringo starr search
    @RichardTaylor

    This is one of the most interesting aspects of the post.

    How do American blacks and American Jews think they will fare in a world that is
    economically, military, politically, and culturally dominated by China. In the future, America
    will be desperate for good paying jobs and lobbying China to put some of their factories, labs, and offices in the US. We will be competing with many countries. When they look us over, and we tell them they need to hire according to quotas, recognize and give benefits to same-sex partners, comply with affirmative action, provide rest rooms for transgenders, allow all sorts of family leave etc... to working mothers, and on and on... What do you suppose will be their reaction?
    I think they'll find Mexico, Poland, Chile, Hungary, Indonesia, etc... more to their liking.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    How do American blacks and American Jews think they will fare in a world that is economically, military, politically, and culturally dominated by China. In the future, America will be desperate for good paying jobs and lobbying China to put some of their factories, labs, and offices in the US. We will be competing with many countries….

    Not entirely. There’s a whole lot of high tech that the PRC can’t even come close to copying, jet engines being one of the best examples. Their military ones don’t come close to Russian ones, which don’t achieve Western/US levels. Civilian ones are also demanding because they need to be very efficient. For that matter, has the PRC even reached Brazilian levels of civilian airliner construction? I’ve ridden Embraer jets without worry before I gave up on air travel, would not feel the same about made in the PRC models.

    I’d say something about computer chips, but it looks like bad management and diversity have removed Intel from the cutting edge of the logic part of that game. Still, as far as I could learn just now, Intel is still five years ahead of SMIC. On the other hand, the lasers that vaporize bits of molten tin in AMSL EUV lithography machines are Made in the USA, and, yes, EUV technology is as crazy as that tiny peek into it implies.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @That Would Be Telling

    So fucking what.

    The fetishism of "high tech", especially military, is rather saddening.

    How about being able to actually build & maintain a standard nuclear reactor?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  159. @Supply and Demand
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I've still got another 26 years over here, bud. I'm willing to place around 2-3 BTC on a meeting platform of your choice that there won't be an United States of America left to return to by then.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I’ve still got another 26 years over here, bud.

    Wheeewwww!

    I wouldn’t take your bet in real money, as I agree with you there, S&D. However, there’s no way China of 2046 would let you spend your money the way you want, on some kind of bet. You will use your provided phone to buy what the CCP says you need to buy, prole.

    • Troll: showmethereal
  160. @That Would Be Telling
    @Jack D


    If the Germans had all that they needed to develop an atomic weapon without any help from Jews or Jewish physics, why didn’t they develop one before they lost the war?
     
    Rhodes' conclusion, which he supports very well, is that it was organizationally impossible for the Germans to do after they started the war in their part of the world, and the same for the US prior to entering the war. In part a question of allocating resources, which were immense even after we showed one workable and not completely insanely expensive path to it.

    Upon arriving in the US Niels Bohr Nicholas Baker noted we'd solved what he'd considered to be an insurmountable problem by vast industrial works. He said it much better, and it must be noted Denmark, or even the parts of Europe he'd be most familiar with were on a rather different scale than the continental US.

    Replies: @Sean

    German scientists in US captivity were given the news of Hiroshima and their conversations bugged. To cut a long story short, it seems that Ben Elton’s great uncle/ Olivia Newton-John grandfather’s best student (Werner Heisenberg was far smarter than Robert Oppenheimer) spent most of his time in the Third Reich bullshitting about how building an atomic bomb would require an unfeasibly large amount of uranium. Pascual Jordan–also smarter than Oppenheimer–was a Nazi but distrusted because of his advocating for Jewish professors.

    Moreover, a certain Austrian Wagner enthusiast was always assigning top priority to projects, often without giving any extra resources, and his science advisor apparently avoided mentioning possibility of an atomic bomb out of fear the fuhrer would demand they institute a crash program to build one ASAP.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Sean


    German scientists in US captivity were given the news of Hiroshima and their conversations bugged.
     
    Captured by a US program, run by the Manhattan Project, but held in the U.K. Have you read through what they said? You can find it in the book I previously cited, Hitler’s Uranium Club: The Secret Recordings at Farm Hall.

    And, my are you confused. Oppenheimer's glory from the Manhattan Project comes as a manager, not a scientist per se (that said, if he'd lived long enough, he should have gotten a physics Nobel for his previous very far out astrophysics work). Heisenberg was utterly the wrong person to put in charge of the project, a theorist like Oppenheimer but who didn't have the sense to defer to the more practically minded. And see my above comments about the Frisch–Peierls fast neutron insight.

    Everyone who wasn't privy to that insight including the Germans believed it would require "an unfeasibly large amount of uranium," see the Einstein–Szilárd letter to FDR for example, it said "A single bomb of this type, carried by boat and exploded in a port, might very well destroy the whole port together with some of the surrounding territory. However, such bombs might very well prove to be too heavy for transportation by air."

    and his science advisor apparently avoided mentioning possibility of an atomic bomb out of fear the fuhrer would demand they institute a crash program to build one ASAP
     
    Citation Needed. Because what I've read in Rhodes is that Hitler was informed of the possibility, including the concern back then it would ignite the atmosphere and destroy the world. The whole concept was being thought about and discussed in the 1930s, which anyone who's read the SF of that era can attest to, like myself. See also how John Campbell knew an atomic bomb project was being worked on in the general vicinity of Santa Fe, New Mexico based on subscription changes of address to Astounding Science Fiction. See also Cresson Kearny starting to think about nuclear war survival in 1936 after learning appropriate stuff at Princeton.

    It only started to become practical when the brilliant German radio-chemist Otto Hahn, who got a chemistry Nobel for it, generated the raw data about uranium splitting. He was one of those captured and bugged, and was utterly unlike the others. He in fact first sent his data to then exiled Jew and former institute colleague Lisa Meitner, who got it during her Christmas vacation and analyzed it with her nephew Otto Frisch. Published in February 1939, and then the race was on.

    Replies: @Sean

  161. @Anon
    @Anonymous

    that's how korean companies like Samsung and LG beat japanese companies, by hiring disposed former japanese engineers.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    that’s how korean companies like Samsung and LG beat japanese companies, by hiring disposed former japanese engineers.

    I read a long time ago that before the “disposals” became a really big thing, or a thing at all prior to 1992, presumably disgruntled salarymen were taking weekend trips up to South Korea to help them with DRAM. Which except for US based Micron is now pretty much owned by that country, #1 Samsung Electronics, #2 SK Hynix, which per Wikipedia also has manufacturing sites in the PRC, Taiwan and US. Here’s the first link I got in a Bing search on market share by companies, Micron is doing better than I expected, not far from SK Hynix.

  162. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Klaus Fuchs' dad was a Protestant minister and Niels Bohr was half Jewish.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Morton's toes

    Also Bohr was not part of the bomb project. He resided in Denmark throughout the war. Denmark was occupied and his letters in/out were all copied by the Germans.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Morton's toes


    Also Bohr was not part of the bomb project. He resided in Denmark throughout the war. Denmark was occupied and his letters in/out were all copied by the Germans.
     
    Citation Needed. Because someone who sure put on a convincing simulation of Bohr left Denmark for Sweden on step ahead of arrest by the Nazis in September 1943, contributed to the British Project, and as part of that visited the US and contributed some more there.
  163. The tone of that article is of a extra from “Idiocracy” who believes her iPhone grows on trees and electricity comes from sustainably grown wind farms, looking forward to a future of brownouts and blackouts, sorry I meant more black & brown err.. hiring. Yeah.

    The goal is to reach new customers and positively transform corporate cultures. In the immediate term that may translate into net layoffs of older, more expensive, Caucasian men.

    The permanent juvenile idiocy of IT will be everywhere.

  164. @That Would Be Telling
    @ringo starr search


    How do American blacks and American Jews think they will fare in a world that is economically, military, politically, and culturally dominated by China. In the future, America will be desperate for good paying jobs and lobbying China to put some of their factories, labs, and offices in the US. We will be competing with many countries....
     
    Not entirely. There's a whole lot of high tech that the PRC can't even come close to copying, jet engines being one of the best examples. Their military ones don't come close to Russian ones, which don't achieve Western/US levels. Civilian ones are also demanding because they need to be very efficient. For that matter, has the PRC even reached Brazilian levels of civilian airliner construction? I've ridden Embraer jets without worry before I gave up on air travel, would not feel the same about made in the PRC models.

    I'd say something about computer chips, but it looks like bad management and diversity have removed Intel from the cutting edge of the logic part of that game. Still, as far as I could learn just now, Intel is still five years ahead of SMIC. On the other hand, the lasers that vaporize bits of molten tin in AMSL EUV lithography machines are Made in the USA, and, yes, EUV technology is as crazy as that tiny peek into it implies.

    Replies: @El Dato

    So fucking what.

    The fetishism of “high tech”, especially military, is rather saddening.

    How about being able to actually build & maintain a standard nuclear reactor?

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @El Dato


    How about being able to actually build & maintain a standard nuclear reactor?
     
    How about a naval one? Bechtel did their first for the Gerald Ford class of carriers, and it's one of the few things in that class that actually works....

    For civilian electrical power reactors, anyone who tries in the US post-Jimmy Carter needs to have their head examined.

    Replies: @anon

  165. @Jack D
    @JohnPlywood

    Your reply is self-refuting. If the Germans had all that they needed to develop an atomic weapon without any help from Jews or Jewish physics, why didn't they develop one before they lost the war?

    Why is it so important to you to prove that the atomic bomb was a purely gentile effort?

    Replies: @anon, @That Would Be Telling, @Johann Ricke

    Your reply is self-refuting. If the Germans had all that they needed to develop an atomic weapon without any help from Jews or Jewish physics, why didn’t they develop one before they lost the war?

    Not exactly. If pure brainpower were sufficient, Jews would presumably have developed an A-bomb sometime before the First Temple was rubbled by Nebuchadnezzar.

    • LOL: JMcG
  166. @That Would Be Telling
    @JohnPlywood



    The hydrodynamics for implosion devices, and getting them to work properly were anything but “extraordinarily simple,”
     
    Yes, it was, and thankfully for the Manhattan Project, the science of shaped charges and tamps had already been established for them by the 1940s. If was no different.
     
    A symmetric implosion is not entirely unlike shaped charges, but different enough they had to some difficult work to solve problems about it numerically. Which Feynman played a role in.


    and I know Jews like John von Neumann and Richard Feynman contributed to that applied physics work.
     
    They contributed nothing necessary for the bomb’s creation. Feynmann in particular was basically a student apprentice.
     

     Yet, somehow, Feynman got the attention of Niels Bohr Nicholas Baker (he didn't freeze up when it came time to talk physics). He maybe wasn't necessary for the development, but that's a ludicrous motte to retreat to, especially since scientists are not interchangeable cogs. John von Neumann on the other hand was already the preeminent mathematician of the era, yet somehow you claim math wasn't "necessary" for the creation of working, deployable atomic bombs??

    [OK, maybe Rhodes was wrong about Einstein working on the urchin, or my memory is incorrect, and I hadn't know so many of the secrets of the urchin are claimed to have been revealed]

    Utter rot, without the theory we’d have never attempted it. Two Jews figured out how fission worked during a Christmas holiday, Lise Meitner had all the figures in her head and worked it out with her nephew Otto Frisch.
     
    Evidently not. Germany, USSR and Japan all had nuclear weapons programs without any of these individuals.
     
    You are clearly completely unaware of Meitner and Frisch's work, which was pre-war and therefore published for all those countries to see, all of whom failed to come even close to developing atomic bombs before we demonstrated they'd actually work and be worth the vast effort required to manufacture fissionables for them.

    Germany is supposed to have developed their own nuke by the end of the war, and was the reason why the USSR had one by 1949.
     
    If you weren't a troll, I'd demand a Citation Needed, because the Germans weren't even close to making a reactor work, and the Soviets didn't get their first one working until over a year after the bombings proved beyond any doubt it could be done and was worth doing. The Germans screwed up by discarding the possibility of using pure enough graphite as a moderator, we screwed them over in heavy water procurement, and they ultimately screwed up by putting Heisenberg in charge as I mentioned.

    You also snipped the single most critical bit about the Frisch–Peierls memorandum, those two Jews being the only men who figured out the way to make a practical nuclear weapon by using fast neutrons. Which we then showed could indeed be done, and their being carried by B-29s provided maximum weight etc. budgets. And how can you claim to be ignorant of the multiple Soviet spy networks that penetrated Los Alamos, one we still don't know any of the details of?

    You live in an alternate reality to the rest of us, when you don't just resort to insult, moving the goalposts, or simply ignoring the points you can't answer. I have to repeat Jack D's point, "Why is it so important to you to prove that the atomic bomb was a purely gentile effort?" There's plenty enough credit to go around.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    I don’t live in an alternate reality — remember, I said the Germans are SUPPOSED to have developed a nuclear bomb. The alleged detonation took place March 4, 1945, near Ohrdruf. Approx. 700 ethnic prisoners were horribly killed. Although the Americans today say the Germans never had a productive nuclear reactor, that is of course disinformation, like much of their whimpy criticism (but shameless aping) of German technology post-war.

    I personally suspect the Ohrdruf test did happen — and that what Meitner and Frisch told the world was in fact something the Germans told Meitner and Frisch. Anyway, the old guys on the Manhattan Project plainly admitted the Germans had everything necessary to make the bomb, in this ’45 memo:

    http://knoxblogs.com/atomiccity/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2011/07/germanyatomic.pdf

  167. @El Dato
    @That Would Be Telling

    So fucking what.

    The fetishism of "high tech", especially military, is rather saddening.

    How about being able to actually build & maintain a standard nuclear reactor?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    How about being able to actually build & maintain a standard nuclear reactor?

    How about a naval one? Bechtel did their first for the Gerald Ford class of carriers, and it’s one of the few things in that class that actually works….

    For civilian electrical power reactors, anyone who tries in the US post-Jimmy Carter needs to have their head examined.

    • Replies: @anon
    @That Would Be Telling

    For civilian electrical power reactors, anyone who tries in the US post-Jimmy Carter needs to have their head examined.

    https://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/nuclear/slow-steady-progress-for-two-us-nuclear-power-projects

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/513671/number-of-under-construction-nuclear-reactors-worldwide/

  168. @Sean
    @That Would Be Telling

    German scientists in US captivity were given the news of Hiroshima and their conversations bugged. To cut a long story short, it seems that Ben Elton's great uncle/ Olivia Newton-John grandfather's best student (Werner Heisenberg was far smarter than Robert Oppenheimer) spent most of his time in the Third Reich bullshitting about how building an atomic bomb would require an unfeasibly large amount of uranium. Pascual Jordan--also smarter than Oppenheimer--was a Nazi but distrusted because of his advocating for Jewish professors.

    Moreover, a certain Austrian Wagner enthusiast was always assigning top priority to projects, often without giving any extra resources, and his science advisor apparently avoided mentioning possibility of an atomic bomb out of fear the fuhrer would demand they institute a crash program to build one ASAP.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    German scientists in US captivity were given the news of Hiroshima and their conversations bugged.

    Captured by a US program, run by the Manhattan Project, but held in the U.K. Have you read through what they said? You can find it in the book I previously cited, Hitler’s Uranium Club: The Secret Recordings at Farm Hall.

    And, my are you confused. Oppenheimer’s glory from the Manhattan Project comes as a manager, not a scientist per se (that said, if he’d lived long enough, he should have gotten a physics Nobel for his previous very far out astrophysics work). Heisenberg was utterly the wrong person to put in charge of the project, a theorist like Oppenheimer but who didn’t have the sense to defer to the more practically minded. And see my above comments about the Frisch–Peierls fast neutron insight.

    Everyone who wasn’t privy to that insight including the Germans believed it would require “an unfeasibly large amount of uranium,” see the Einstein–Szilárd letter to FDR for example, it said “A single bomb of this type, carried by boat and exploded in a port, might very well destroy the whole port together with some of the surrounding territory. However, such bombs might very well prove to be too heavy for transportation by air.”

    and his science advisor apparently avoided mentioning possibility of an atomic bomb out of fear the fuhrer would demand they institute a crash program to build one ASAP

    Citation Needed. Because what I’ve read in Rhodes is that Hitler was informed of the possibility, including the concern back then it would ignite the atmosphere and destroy the world. The whole concept was being thought about and discussed in the 1930s, which anyone who’s read the SF of that era can attest to, like myself. See also how John Campbell knew an atomic bomb project was being worked on in the general vicinity of Santa Fe, New Mexico based on subscription changes of address to Astounding Science Fiction. See also Cresson Kearny starting to think about nuclear war survival in 1936 after learning appropriate stuff at Princeton.

    It only started to become practical when the brilliant German radio-chemist Otto Hahn, who got a chemistry Nobel for it, generated the raw data about uranium splitting. He was one of those captured and bugged, and was utterly unlike the others. He in fact first sent his data to then exiled Jew and former institute colleague Lisa Meitner, who got it during her Christmas vacation and analyzed it with her nephew Otto Frisch. Published in February 1939, and then the race was on.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Sean
    @That Would Be Telling


    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13518370-300-heisenbergs-principles-kept-bomb-from-nazis/#ixzz6hz8dwKFH

    The crucial period in the Farm Hall documents covers the days just after the bombing of Hiroshima. Walther Gerlach, a physicist from Munich who was officially in charge of German research on uranium, acted like ‘a defeated general’... Otto Hahn of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in Berlin discussed Gerlach’s reaction. Heisenberg told Hahn that ‘Gerlach was the only one of them who had really wanted a German victory’. The conversation then took a remarkable turn as Heisenberg told Hahn how one might build an atomic bomb. He described how a sphere of uranium-235 with a diameter of 54 centimetres, weighing about a tonne, could sustain a chain reaction of 80 collisions, using ‘very fast neutrons’, generating 1024 neutrons. But only a quarter of a tonne would be necessary, he said, if the uranium were covered with a ‘reflector’. The bombs could be made to explode at the right moment by bringing together two halves which were too small to generate a chain reaction when separated. Both the reflector and the idea of bringing together two subcritical masses of uranium at the right moment are essential parts of the bomb. According to Powers and historian Stanley Goldberg, this conversation reveals how much Heisenberg knew about the bomb, and how much he hid from German political authorities. Hans Bethe, one of the main theoreticians for the American bomb programme, the Manhattan Project, said after reviewing the Farm Hall documents: ‘Heisenberg knew a lot more than I have always thought’.

    A week later, Heisenberg gave a seminar on this topic to the assembled scientists. Most of them, especially Gerlach, seemed to be hearing about the possibility of atomic weapons for the first time. According to Goldberg, the transcripts show that ‘for a lot of Heisenberg’s colleagues, this was new. Therefore, he must not have told them.’
     

    Crucially, when Heisenberg explained it would require a quarter of a tonne, the listening devices picked up a German scientist asking if that was the case then why had he been told by Heisenberg in 1938 that it would take only several dozen kilograms.

    After the war Nazi party member Jordan (who was sidelined from nuclear research and ought to have been given a share of Heisenberg's Nobel) entered politics as a conservative and wanted the West German army to be equipped with the Davy Crockett nuclear bazooka. Heisenberg was very much opposed to West Germany having even tactical/battlefield thermonuclear weapons. In a nutshell, there was at least one German who knew how to make Hitler an A-bomb within a WW2 timeframe, and the country had the resources as well.

    Replies: @black sea, @That Would Be Telling

  169. @Morton's toes
    @Steve Sailer

    Also Bohr was not part of the bomb project. He resided in Denmark throughout the war. Denmark was occupied and his letters in/out were all copied by the Germans.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Also Bohr was not part of the bomb project. He resided in Denmark throughout the war. Denmark was occupied and his letters in/out were all copied by the Germans.

    Citation Needed. Because someone who sure put on a convincing simulation of Bohr left Denmark for Sweden on step ahead of arrest by the Nazis in September 1943, contributed to the British Project, and as part of that visited the US and contributed some more there.

  170. @That Would Be Telling
    @El Dato


    How about being able to actually build & maintain a standard nuclear reactor?
     
    How about a naval one? Bechtel did their first for the Gerald Ford class of carriers, and it's one of the few things in that class that actually works....

    For civilian electrical power reactors, anyone who tries in the US post-Jimmy Carter needs to have their head examined.

    Replies: @anon

  171. @That Would Be Telling
    @Sean


    German scientists in US captivity were given the news of Hiroshima and their conversations bugged.
     
    Captured by a US program, run by the Manhattan Project, but held in the U.K. Have you read through what they said? You can find it in the book I previously cited, Hitler’s Uranium Club: The Secret Recordings at Farm Hall.

    And, my are you confused. Oppenheimer's glory from the Manhattan Project comes as a manager, not a scientist per se (that said, if he'd lived long enough, he should have gotten a physics Nobel for his previous very far out astrophysics work). Heisenberg was utterly the wrong person to put in charge of the project, a theorist like Oppenheimer but who didn't have the sense to defer to the more practically minded. And see my above comments about the Frisch–Peierls fast neutron insight.

    Everyone who wasn't privy to that insight including the Germans believed it would require "an unfeasibly large amount of uranium," see the Einstein–Szilárd letter to FDR for example, it said "A single bomb of this type, carried by boat and exploded in a port, might very well destroy the whole port together with some of the surrounding territory. However, such bombs might very well prove to be too heavy for transportation by air."

    and his science advisor apparently avoided mentioning possibility of an atomic bomb out of fear the fuhrer would demand they institute a crash program to build one ASAP
     
    Citation Needed. Because what I've read in Rhodes is that Hitler was informed of the possibility, including the concern back then it would ignite the atmosphere and destroy the world. The whole concept was being thought about and discussed in the 1930s, which anyone who's read the SF of that era can attest to, like myself. See also how John Campbell knew an atomic bomb project was being worked on in the general vicinity of Santa Fe, New Mexico based on subscription changes of address to Astounding Science Fiction. See also Cresson Kearny starting to think about nuclear war survival in 1936 after learning appropriate stuff at Princeton.

    It only started to become practical when the brilliant German radio-chemist Otto Hahn, who got a chemistry Nobel for it, generated the raw data about uranium splitting. He was one of those captured and bugged, and was utterly unlike the others. He in fact first sent his data to then exiled Jew and former institute colleague Lisa Meitner, who got it during her Christmas vacation and analyzed it with her nephew Otto Frisch. Published in February 1939, and then the race was on.

    Replies: @Sean

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13518370-300-heisenbergs-principles-kept-bomb-from-nazis/#ixzz6hz8dwKFH

    The crucial period in the Farm Hall documents covers the days just after the bombing of Hiroshima. Walther Gerlach, a physicist from Munich who was officially in charge of German research on uranium, acted like ‘a defeated general’… Otto Hahn of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in Berlin discussed Gerlach’s reaction. Heisenberg told Hahn that ‘Gerlach was the only one of them who had really wanted a German victory’. The conversation then took a remarkable turn as Heisenberg told Hahn how one might build an atomic bomb. He described how a sphere of uranium-235 with a diameter of 54 centimetres, weighing about a tonne, could sustain a chain reaction of 80 collisions, using ‘very fast neutrons’, generating 1024 neutrons. But only a quarter of a tonne would be necessary, he said, if the uranium were covered with a ‘reflector’. The bombs could be made to explode at the right moment by bringing together two halves which were too small to generate a chain reaction when separated. Both the reflector and the idea of bringing together two subcritical masses of uranium at the right moment are essential parts of the bomb. According to Powers and historian Stanley Goldberg, this conversation reveals how much Heisenberg knew about the bomb, and how much he hid from German political authorities. Hans Bethe, one of the main theoreticians for the American bomb programme, the Manhattan Project, said after reviewing the Farm Hall documents: ‘Heisenberg knew a lot more than I have always thought’.

    A week later, Heisenberg gave a seminar on this topic to the assembled scientists. Most of them, especially Gerlach, seemed to be hearing about the possibility of atomic weapons for the first time. According to Goldberg, the transcripts show that ‘for a lot of Heisenberg’s colleagues, this was new. Therefore, he must not have told them.’

    Crucially, when Heisenberg explained it would require a quarter of a tonne, the listening devices picked up a German scientist asking if that was the case then why had he been told by Heisenberg in 1938 that it would take only several dozen kilograms.

    After the war Nazi party member Jordan (who was sidelined from nuclear research and ought to have been given a share of Heisenberg’s Nobel) entered politics as a conservative and wanted the West German army to be equipped with the Davy Crockett nuclear bazooka. Heisenberg was very much opposed to West Germany having even tactical/battlefield thermonuclear weapons. In a nutshell, there was at least one German who knew how to make Hitler an A-bomb within a WW2 timeframe, and the country had the resources as well.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Sean


    Davy Crockett nuclear bazooka.
     
    This sounds like something Stanley Kubrick would have dreamed up.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Sean

    I repeat, have you actually read Heisenberg's words (well, only the English translations were saved, the scarce media used to record the German originals was recycled) which can be found in the book I cited, vs. secondary or worse sources trying to protect his reputation? Something he made into a major campaign after his release for obvious reasons?

    If you don't have enough nuclear physics background to follow them, read the first half of Rhodes, its historical based introduction is superb.

    Replies: @Sean

  172. Anonymous[376] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey
    @Seth Largo


    The word from him on the defense contractor front is that companies would very much like to re-hire their white boomer experts as outside consultants, so that they can essentially keep them on the job but off the official employee books.
     
    We’ve been over this a thousand times: all you’ve gotta do is tell your employer you’re black or Hispanic or Native American or female. It’s not like they give DNA tests. All they do is report to the government whatever you yourself put down on your job application.

    Now it may not work for board members or high-ranking executives in public corporations, where the information is easily accessible and pictures and bios are on the websites, but in any lower position it is easy enough to get away with. Most companies won’t question your self-identification. They’re more than happy to report an extra minority, and one who is actually qualified to do the job, at that.

    Why are we still even having this discussion? Why are white people still honest when we’re asked by colleges or employers to report our race, all in support of a system that is trying to destroy us? Especially when it’s so damn easy to lie and get away with it and destroy that system?

    Replies: @Bernie, @Anonymous

    We’ve been over this a thousand times: all you’ve gotta do is tell your employer you’re black or Hispanic or Native American or female. It’s not like they give DNA tests. All they do is report to the government whatever you yourself put down on your job application.

    That will work until the black HR lady calls you out and demands you either prove your ancestry or be fired.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Anonymous


    That will work until the black HR lady calls you out and demands you either prove your ancestry or be fired.
     
    Has this ever happened, by any HR person of any race?

    There is no genetic test for Hispanic anyway. It's just a made-up cultural category. If you say you're Hispanic, then the world pretty much has to take you at your word. I don't think HR is going to go to war with you over whether or not you really are, especially as there is no clear definition of what Hispanic is.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Wilkey
    @Anonymous


    That will work until the black HR lady calls you out and demands you either prove your ancestry or be fired.
     
    Fired for what? To terminate you for misstating your race or ethnicity is to openly admit that you were hired because of your race or ethnicity, and that is still (SFAIK) technically illegal.

    If push comes to shove - which it probably never will - you can always claim that your identification was a typo.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

  173. @Sean
    @That Would Be Telling


    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13518370-300-heisenbergs-principles-kept-bomb-from-nazis/#ixzz6hz8dwKFH

    The crucial period in the Farm Hall documents covers the days just after the bombing of Hiroshima. Walther Gerlach, a physicist from Munich who was officially in charge of German research on uranium, acted like ‘a defeated general’... Otto Hahn of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in Berlin discussed Gerlach’s reaction. Heisenberg told Hahn that ‘Gerlach was the only one of them who had really wanted a German victory’. The conversation then took a remarkable turn as Heisenberg told Hahn how one might build an atomic bomb. He described how a sphere of uranium-235 with a diameter of 54 centimetres, weighing about a tonne, could sustain a chain reaction of 80 collisions, using ‘very fast neutrons’, generating 1024 neutrons. But only a quarter of a tonne would be necessary, he said, if the uranium were covered with a ‘reflector’. The bombs could be made to explode at the right moment by bringing together two halves which were too small to generate a chain reaction when separated. Both the reflector and the idea of bringing together two subcritical masses of uranium at the right moment are essential parts of the bomb. According to Powers and historian Stanley Goldberg, this conversation reveals how much Heisenberg knew about the bomb, and how much he hid from German political authorities. Hans Bethe, one of the main theoreticians for the American bomb programme, the Manhattan Project, said after reviewing the Farm Hall documents: ‘Heisenberg knew a lot more than I have always thought’.

    A week later, Heisenberg gave a seminar on this topic to the assembled scientists. Most of them, especially Gerlach, seemed to be hearing about the possibility of atomic weapons for the first time. According to Goldberg, the transcripts show that ‘for a lot of Heisenberg’s colleagues, this was new. Therefore, he must not have told them.’
     

    Crucially, when Heisenberg explained it would require a quarter of a tonne, the listening devices picked up a German scientist asking if that was the case then why had he been told by Heisenberg in 1938 that it would take only several dozen kilograms.

    After the war Nazi party member Jordan (who was sidelined from nuclear research and ought to have been given a share of Heisenberg's Nobel) entered politics as a conservative and wanted the West German army to be equipped with the Davy Crockett nuclear bazooka. Heisenberg was very much opposed to West Germany having even tactical/battlefield thermonuclear weapons. In a nutshell, there was at least one German who knew how to make Hitler an A-bomb within a WW2 timeframe, and the country had the resources as well.

    Replies: @black sea, @That Would Be Telling

    Davy Crockett nuclear bazooka.

    This sounds like something Stanley Kubrick would have dreamed up.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @black sea

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xYYV60G-nQ

  174. @Elli
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I have seen help wanted ads in an English language local Indian (east) paper, looking for a domestic worker/ nanny who cooks a particular regional style and speaks three particular languages. Similar for restaurant workers.

    Were they looking for someone already here, or proving that they had unsuccessfully advertised so they could bring someone in on a visa?

    Lots of elderly grandparents living with their Indian and Chinese families here.

    Replies: @Dave from Oz

    Lots of elderly grandparents living with their Indian and Chinese families here.

    They are not grandparents. They are slaves. Literal, actual slaves. Indentured servants, call it whatever you like. They just put “grandparent” down on the Visa. They don’t speak english, they are not allowed to leave the house, and they get beaten if they don’t work.

    Particularly common among the Jains, because of the crazy complex religious dietary requirements. Only another Jain can correctly cook for a Jain family.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Dave from Oz

    With the Chinese (in America, that its, Dave), they are babysitters and cooks. The mother goes back, and the mother-in-law comes, like clockwork. They seem a little out of place, with all the space here and people not spitting on the sidewalk and taking care of the outside of their property and all that. The Dads come sometimes, and one guy was going around picking mushrooms, well into people's yards. He was a nice old guy though. I hope he's OK ... hehe...

    This is all to prop up the University system with cheap labor for research, pushing out almost all Americans in the process. I guess some will send a lot of data home too, but that's a small price to pay for all that intense diversity.

  175. @Donald A Thomson
    @Supply and Demand

    Strange. All the Chinese I've met or worked with were friendly. So were all the Yanks. And Indians. And Vietnamese. And Iranians. And South Africans. And Indonesians. And Russians. And Japanese. And English. And Irish. Etc.

    The only unfriendly people I've ever met were French in Paris for 3 days in 1990 who, with one exception, refused to speak anything but English to me after wincing when they heard my French. The ones who were unfriendly in French were all friendly in English.

    Now that I think about it, there was one Chinese I worked with who seemed unfriendly. As he appeared to dislike me, that was perfectly reasonable. Some unimportant misunderstanding perhaps. [email protected]

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    It may be an issue of climate temperament. Dongbei, where I teach, is congruent with Vladivostok and Juneau. I also married a rather well-enconsed ethnic minority (Manchu) within the country. The Han are predisposed to dislike, like any justly aggrieved native class, minorities running around with fatter salaries than they make.

  176. @Anonymous
    @Wilkey


    We’ve been over this a thousand times: all you’ve gotta do is tell your employer you’re black or Hispanic or Native American or female. It’s not like they give DNA tests. All they do is report to the government whatever you yourself put down on your job application.
     
    That will work until the black HR lady calls you out and demands you either prove your ancestry or be fired.

    Replies: @black sea, @Wilkey

    That will work until the black HR lady calls you out and demands you either prove your ancestry or be fired.

    Has this ever happened, by any HR person of any race?

    There is no genetic test for Hispanic anyway. It’s just a made-up cultural category. If you say you’re Hispanic, then the world pretty much has to take you at your word. I don’t think HR is going to go to war with you over whether or not you really are, especially as there is no clear definition of what Hispanic is.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @black sea

    I agree, Black Sea. It takes some gall though, that doesn't come naturally to many White people. You would have to be very very offended, right back at that black HR bitch ... without cracking a smile either. It's tough, but this kind of thing needs to be done.

  177. I dug out the scene from “Primer”

  178. @Anonymous
    @JohnPlywood

    https://www.britannica.com/event/Manhattan-Project

    Most important scientists:


    American physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer headed the project to develop the atomic bomb, and Edward Teller was among the first recruited for the project. Leo Szilard and Enrico Fermi built the first nuclear reactor. Ernest Orlando Lawrence was program chief in charge of the development of the electromagnetic process of separating uranium-235. Other notable researchers included Otto Frisch, Niels Bohr, Felix Bloch, James Franck, Emilio Segrè, Klaus Fuchs, Hans Bethe, and John von Neumann. The person who oversaw the project, however, was not a scientist. He was Brig. Gen. Leslie R. Groves.
     
    (((Oppenheimer)))
    (((Teller)))
    (((Szilard)))
    Fermi (though (((Fermi's wife))))
    Ernest Lawrence
    (((Otto Frisch)))
    (((Niels Bohr)))
    (((Felix Bloch)))
    (((James Franck)))
    (((Emilio Segre)))
    (((Klaus Fuchs)))
    Bethe - mischlinge with (((mother))), which makes him Jewish by definition.
    (((John von Neumann)))

    Less than 10% with no Jewish connection.

    Yeah, Groves headed up the project but an administrator, not a scientist. If the above is not a clear "majority" of the lead scientists, I don't know what is. And from the Jewish perspective, if you can coopt some useful goys to get a bomb to bomb Hitler faster, then that's a win in their book.

    I am not sure if you have ever studied modern physics (I have), but it is notoriously hard, and I am good at solving hard problems. It does not surprise me in the slightest that the people who have more of the most intelligent people on the globe, i.e. Jews, fleshed out the key positions - and that if they weren't involved it would have been a show stopper.

    If the Jewish mean IQ is 112 and European is 100, then there is an IQ at which the Jews with their 15M outnumber the goys with their 1000M. I did calculate it at one time, it is greater than IQ 150, but I forget exactly where it is. Suffice to say, looking at world champions in fields like Chess, there is a point where the Jews outnumber the goys.

    Now, I am not Jewish - yes, I have a small quantum of Jewish DNA, but it's not enough to define me as Jewish except by the most liberal of reform Jews perhaps, literally any Jewish club that would have me as a member would not be worth joining. (I'm sure there's a pun in there to be made about an Jewish ex-gf of mine and members, I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader. Certainly a club I remember fondly, though I found out partly through that relationship that the membership list was growing far too rapidly for my liking.)

    In any case, I consider myself White, and find that the Frankfurt School project, and what is being done by the likes of BLS and Potok to be thoroughly obnoxious. Basically a war is being waged against us, or maybe they consider it a project of sorts. (A war with a counterproductive objective, I might add.) However, I also do believe in giving credit where it is due. The first step in attempting to solve a problem is to acknowledge the reality with open eyes. Jews have more smarter people than us at the highest levels, and they work together. Kudos on the Manhattan project. Jews were smart enough to invent the A-Bomb and cold blooded enough to kill a few hundred thousand people with them in two strokes.

    How do you beat Bobby Fischer? Play him in anything but chess. So, you understand what their strategy is. You understand what the weak points are. And you institute your counters there by pitting our strengths against their weaknesses. If you look at the Viet Nam war, the Vietnamese didn't have as good a military as the US, and probably didn't have the edge in IQ at the top level either, but they had an objective and their plan worked against the USA. If styles make fights, then the Vietnamese opposition and tactics/strategy triumphed against the USA even if they didn't win a single battle.

    Now, this is not to say that we must defeat the Jews (good luck with that, they have been around for 2k+ years), but we must defend ourselves. Part of the lesson of Viet Nam was to convince the USA that the fight was a bad idea. Eventually the USA learned that lesson, and Viet Nam was no longer seen as a threat. There is probably also something to be learned from that from our perspective.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JohnPlywood

    Jewish supremacist cope. Your contrived list of participants doesn’t reflect the “most important” people on the project, and isn’t what the Britannica link implied, either.

  179. @Sean
    @That Would Be Telling


    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13518370-300-heisenbergs-principles-kept-bomb-from-nazis/#ixzz6hz8dwKFH

    The crucial period in the Farm Hall documents covers the days just after the bombing of Hiroshima. Walther Gerlach, a physicist from Munich who was officially in charge of German research on uranium, acted like ‘a defeated general’... Otto Hahn of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in Berlin discussed Gerlach’s reaction. Heisenberg told Hahn that ‘Gerlach was the only one of them who had really wanted a German victory’. The conversation then took a remarkable turn as Heisenberg told Hahn how one might build an atomic bomb. He described how a sphere of uranium-235 with a diameter of 54 centimetres, weighing about a tonne, could sustain a chain reaction of 80 collisions, using ‘very fast neutrons’, generating 1024 neutrons. But only a quarter of a tonne would be necessary, he said, if the uranium were covered with a ‘reflector’. The bombs could be made to explode at the right moment by bringing together two halves which were too small to generate a chain reaction when separated. Both the reflector and the idea of bringing together two subcritical masses of uranium at the right moment are essential parts of the bomb. According to Powers and historian Stanley Goldberg, this conversation reveals how much Heisenberg knew about the bomb, and how much he hid from German political authorities. Hans Bethe, one of the main theoreticians for the American bomb programme, the Manhattan Project, said after reviewing the Farm Hall documents: ‘Heisenberg knew a lot more than I have always thought’.

    A week later, Heisenberg gave a seminar on this topic to the assembled scientists. Most of them, especially Gerlach, seemed to be hearing about the possibility of atomic weapons for the first time. According to Goldberg, the transcripts show that ‘for a lot of Heisenberg’s colleagues, this was new. Therefore, he must not have told them.’
     

    Crucially, when Heisenberg explained it would require a quarter of a tonne, the listening devices picked up a German scientist asking if that was the case then why had he been told by Heisenberg in 1938 that it would take only several dozen kilograms.

    After the war Nazi party member Jordan (who was sidelined from nuclear research and ought to have been given a share of Heisenberg's Nobel) entered politics as a conservative and wanted the West German army to be equipped with the Davy Crockett nuclear bazooka. Heisenberg was very much opposed to West Germany having even tactical/battlefield thermonuclear weapons. In a nutshell, there was at least one German who knew how to make Hitler an A-bomb within a WW2 timeframe, and the country had the resources as well.

    Replies: @black sea, @That Would Be Telling

    I repeat, have you actually read Heisenberg’s words (well, only the English translations were saved, the scarce media used to record the German originals was recycled) which can be found in the book I cited, vs. secondary or worse sources trying to protect his reputation? Something he made into a major campaign after his release for obvious reasons?

    If you don’t have enough nuclear physics background to follow them, read the first half of Rhodes, its historical based introduction is superb.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @That Would Be Telling


    Something he made into a major campaign after his release for obvious reasons?
     
    Heisenberg was opposed to Germany having thermonuclear weapons, he did not work on them for the Americans either as far as I know, and he was politically opposed to the Eisenhower (then JFK) era move to give Germany nuclear weapons so the expensive US taxpayer funded forces defending West Germany could be reduced. Nato long officially said that spending on nuclear weapons was all that stopped American taxpayers having to spend even more vast amounts on conventional weapons to match the Warsaw Pact masses of tanks and artillery. Why then would the intelligence establishment acquiesce in burnishing Heisenberg's reputation or keeping quiet while he added to his prestige and ability to affect policy by saying he had deliberately not tried to make Hitler a bomb?

    He was not Jewish, so it is natural to think he was not smart enough, but Heisenberg did win a Nobel prize. German gentile Klaus Fuchs developed many of the designs, equations and techniques used to build the first atomic bombs. Heisenberg and Fuchs were opposed to Hitler, maybe there is something about being really smart that makes one oppose a certain type of leadership or even the concept of ones own strong nation states entirely. The 5th risk that Michael Lewis focuses on in his book’s title is bad project management. Ironically, Trump may have been betrayed by his scientists and technical experts over the vaccine. The problem is that Hitler's people in charge of a project were not smart enough to realize what was going on. Jordan might have been and was a bit of a Nazi, but he was not working in the area. Higher intelligence tends to go along with sensitivity, who knew?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  180. @Muggles
    One interesting factual note: I formerly had a Polish (now American) physicist as a client. He told me that in Poland and Germany there is a mandatory retirement age at 60 for University professors (like most others).

    So no matter who they were (perhaps a Nobel Prize might work) you would be retired.

    I asked him, how stupid, what did they do? He told me most were (in science/math) recruited by China and went to teach there. Also, he said, some American profs facing retirement (not usually forceably) would also head to China if offered.

    So the brain drain is sometimes incentivized by being kicked out of the Western unifersities.

    Replies: @Occasional lurker

    I have no idea about Poland, but this is not true for Germany. Regular retirement age for professors is currently 67. You can go as early 63 if you want to, but lose some of your pension if you do. Also, you can still go on teaching after 67 if you like (you keep your ‘venia legendi’), and you have to still be available for graduate students who started their work under your supervision.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Occasional lurker

    Thanks.

    My source may have assumed it was the same as Poland. Or he had outdated information, as he has been here for a long time

  181. @That Would Be Telling
    @Sean

    I repeat, have you actually read Heisenberg's words (well, only the English translations were saved, the scarce media used to record the German originals was recycled) which can be found in the book I cited, vs. secondary or worse sources trying to protect his reputation? Something he made into a major campaign after his release for obvious reasons?

    If you don't have enough nuclear physics background to follow them, read the first half of Rhodes, its historical based introduction is superb.

    Replies: @Sean

    Something he made into a major campaign after his release for obvious reasons?

    Heisenberg was opposed to Germany having thermonuclear weapons, he did not work on them for the Americans either as far as I know, and he was politically opposed to the Eisenhower (then JFK) era move to give Germany nuclear weapons so the expensive US taxpayer funded forces defending West Germany could be reduced. Nato long officially said that spending on nuclear weapons was all that stopped American taxpayers having to spend even more vast amounts on conventional weapons to match the Warsaw Pact masses of tanks and artillery. Why then would the intelligence establishment acquiesce in burnishing Heisenberg’s reputation or keeping quiet while he added to his prestige and ability to affect policy by saying he had deliberately not tried to make Hitler a bomb?

    He was not Jewish, so it is natural to think he was not smart enough, but Heisenberg did win a Nobel prize. German gentile Klaus Fuchs developed many of the designs, equations and techniques used to build the first atomic bombs. Heisenberg and Fuchs were opposed to Hitler, maybe there is something about being really smart that makes one oppose a certain type of leadership or even the concept of ones own strong nation states entirely. The 5th risk that Michael Lewis focuses on in his book’s title is bad project management. Ironically, Trump may have been betrayed by his scientists and technical experts over the vaccine. The problem is that Hitler’s people in charge of a project were not smart enough to realize what was going on. Jordan might have been and was a bit of a Nazi, but he was not working in the area. Higher intelligence tends to go along with sensitivity, who knew?

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Sean


    [Heisenberg] was not Jewish, so it is natural to think he was not smart enough, but Heisenberg did win a Nobel prize.
     
    Plenty of gentiles like Heisenberg made critical contributions to quantum mechanics, and the same for nuclear physics. It's not a question of Heisenberg being smart per se, it's what he was smart at, and that wasn't applications like nuclear reactors and bombs. There was in fact only one universally acknowledged world class theoretical and applied physicist in that period, gentile Enrico Fermi, famous for leading the development of the first nuclear reactor. And it's a very good thing he was so good at applications, for a labor strike forced them to famously build it on the grounds of the University of Chicago.

    The Farm Hall discussions I keep referring to reveal a great deal about Heisenberg as a theoretician out of his depth about bombs, and his design(s) for reactors show the same. The discussions also showed no sign I can remember that Heisenberg was a secret opponent of Hitler prior to the end of the Third Reich.

    The Nazi nuclear program mostly lead by him except for what the Post Office (!) funded abjectly failed as previously mentioned due to a host of mistakes, although if you want to look for political motivations I would recommend looking at the guy responsible for their discarding graphite as a moderator. Which was no easy trick in the US, it took a long time for the supplier and Manhattan Project advisors to figure out how to make it pure enough, free enough of neutron poisons.

    Replies: @Sean

  182. @Anonymous
    @Wilkey


    We’ve been over this a thousand times: all you’ve gotta do is tell your employer you’re black or Hispanic or Native American or female. It’s not like they give DNA tests. All they do is report to the government whatever you yourself put down on your job application.
     
    That will work until the black HR lady calls you out and demands you either prove your ancestry or be fired.

    Replies: @black sea, @Wilkey

    That will work until the black HR lady calls you out and demands you either prove your ancestry or be fired.

    Fired for what? To terminate you for misstating your race or ethnicity is to openly admit that you were hired because of your race or ethnicity, and that is still (SFAIK) technically illegal.

    If push comes to shove – which it probably never will – you can always claim that your identification was a typo.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Wilkey

    I've been there, ish. There is no "push come to shove."

    You just get mysteriously terminated and there will be nothing you can do about it.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Wilkey

  183. @Occasional lurker
    @Muggles

    I have no idea about Poland, but this is not true for Germany. Regular retirement age for professors is currently 67. You can go as early 63 if you want to, but lose some of your pension if you do. Also, you can still go on teaching after 67 if you like (you keep your 'venia legendi'), and you have to still be available for graduate students who started their work under your supervision.

    Replies: @Muggles

    Thanks.

    My source may have assumed it was the same as Poland. Or he had outdated information, as he has been here for a long time

  184. @Wilkey
    @Anonymous


    That will work until the black HR lady calls you out and demands you either prove your ancestry or be fired.
     
    Fired for what? To terminate you for misstating your race or ethnicity is to openly admit that you were hired because of your race or ethnicity, and that is still (SFAIK) technically illegal.

    If push comes to shove - which it probably never will - you can always claim that your identification was a typo.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    I’ve been there, ish. There is no “push come to shove.”

    You just get mysteriously terminated and there will be nothing you can do about it.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Daniel Chieh


    You just get mysteriously terminated and there will be nothing you can do about it.
     
    Or, in Elizabeth Warren's case, mysteriously promoted and made Senator, and there's nothing anyone else can do about it.
    , @Wilkey
    @Daniel Chieh

    How many people in the entire country have been fired for lying about their race on a job application? How many haven't been hired for it?

    Probably not ten.

    If you're a good employee they won't fire you. If the company can take credit for employing another minority most of them will take it. For most it's just a government regulation they have to fill, and talk of diversity is just platitudes they have to mouth.

  185. @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Downsizing was the result of older Boomers males beginning to reach management positions, who then proceeded to lay off all the older Silent Generation males in the name of cost-cutting, but also to empty all those jobs so their younger Boomer siblings could get them. The Boomer managers weren't comfortable with employees older and wiser than they were--and more ethical.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Also, those same managers, when they were done with those jobs, rather than pass them on as they had been passed to them, handed them over to less qualified PoCs so they could congratulate themselves on being “diverse”. And here we are.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Almost Missouri


    handed them over to less qualified PoCs so they could congratulate themselves on being “diverse”.
     
    Boomer managers didn't hand over jobs to diversity hires because they wanted to feel good about themselves. They handed over those jobs because fulfilling hiring quotas is the way to get a promotion into the c-suite.

    Boomers have never been especially PC or fond of non-whites. However, they've always been obsessed with money and having nice things. After Jews took over America's institutions, they began rewarding Gentiles who advocated for non-whites and embraced diversity. Jewish elites also actively punished Gentiles who stood up for their own people.

    Being opportunistic, many Boomers did what they needed to do to get their management promotions. They may not have felt especially good about the rising tide of color, but they consoled themselves by buying big boats, jet skis, box seat NFL tickets, and second mansions.

    There are very few (if any) Boomers who'd backstab a fellow White out of a sense of morality.
    There are far too many Boomers who'd backstab a fellow White to get that c-suite promotion.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  186. @Jesse
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Exactly. It's amazing how stupid the White men here are being. China doesn't love you. China won't rescue you. China owes you nothing.

    A major issue with this end of the right is that they always seem to assume that some behemoth is going to ride in and rescue the White man. First it was Russia. Now it's China. They're just as bad as everyone else looking abroad to solve internal problems.

    Replies: @Houston 1992, @Eugene Norman, @JohnPlywood, @Cagey Beast, @Anon, @Almost Missouri

    China doesn’t love you. China won’t rescue you. China owes you nothing.

    You are right that no one is acting from altruism. OTOH, white men taking these jobs (if they actually exist—the article seems poorly sourced) aren’t doing it expecting “rescue”. They’re just looking for a job and domestic employers increasing won’t take them. So it’s one of their decreasing options. Taking it doesn’t mean they are “stupid”. It means they’re taking a chance fate has dealt them.

    • Agree: JackOH
  187. @Hypnotoad666
    @Philip Owen


    The UK and Canada handed over the A bomb to the US.
     
    The way I've heard it described, the scientists were about 1/3 British, 1/3 American, and 1/3 European emigres.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    About right. The Hiroshima bomb was the British design accelerated into use by US industrial might. The Nagasaki bomb was a different 100% US design.

  188. @Achmed E. Newman

    Acquiring that by buying companies will be difficult under President-elect Joe Biden, who is expected to continue the crackdown on Chinese acquisitions.
     
    President Zhou Bai Dien will continue only whatever crackdowns Xi Jinping wants him to continue. His successor Cameltoe will have the same boss. Basically, what Harry Baldwin said, but I wanted to use "Zhou Bai Dien".

    The Chinese visiting scholar/post-doc scams are continuing apace. I just talked to a guy at the park who told me how he must be careful about writing emails with his Chinese name on the project, but he will stay here working. His Mom is going back to China and his Mother-in-Law will arrive with only a 2-day gap to continue the baby-sitting using her, what is it, BS-1 Visa? There is no quarantining to go on on this end, unless they are just using these post-docs' houses as the quarantine site. They are all glad Mr. Bai Dien has been supposedly elected.

    There is a local preacher at a Chinese Church which is losing members due to the Kung Flu. Nope, they are not leaving town, just the Church, but the preacher is re-applying for a work visa to stay in the country. Work visas, you know, cause preaching in a Chinese Church in Chinese is a job Americans just can't do. (Ever thought about the parishioners learning English?)

    Replies: @Elli, @Funguy

    Trust me. These people are smart and know or will learn English. Even the various Spanish/Hispanic type who speak their native tongue switch back and forth.

  189. @black sea
    @Sean


    Davy Crockett nuclear bazooka.
     
    This sounds like something Stanley Kubrick would have dreamed up.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  190. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Harry Baldwin

    As opposed to Donald Trump, who has given China a free hand in Asia and Southern Europe? But he did get Ivanka’s licensing agreements approved so there is that.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Donald Trump, who has given China a free hand in Asia and Southern Europe

    Asia and Southern Europe can decide things for themselves.

    Americans don’t care about foreign policy (except some Jews want it pro-Israel, and a few of the rest of us don’t want random wars).

  191. @Daniel Chieh
    @Wilkey

    I've been there, ish. There is no "push come to shove."

    You just get mysteriously terminated and there will be nothing you can do about it.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Wilkey

    You just get mysteriously terminated and there will be nothing you can do about it.

    Or, in Elizabeth Warren’s case, mysteriously promoted and made Senator, and there’s nothing anyone else can do about it.

  192. @Sean
    @That Would Be Telling


    Something he made into a major campaign after his release for obvious reasons?
     
    Heisenberg was opposed to Germany having thermonuclear weapons, he did not work on them for the Americans either as far as I know, and he was politically opposed to the Eisenhower (then JFK) era move to give Germany nuclear weapons so the expensive US taxpayer funded forces defending West Germany could be reduced. Nato long officially said that spending on nuclear weapons was all that stopped American taxpayers having to spend even more vast amounts on conventional weapons to match the Warsaw Pact masses of tanks and artillery. Why then would the intelligence establishment acquiesce in burnishing Heisenberg's reputation or keeping quiet while he added to his prestige and ability to affect policy by saying he had deliberately not tried to make Hitler a bomb?

    He was not Jewish, so it is natural to think he was not smart enough, but Heisenberg did win a Nobel prize. German gentile Klaus Fuchs developed many of the designs, equations and techniques used to build the first atomic bombs. Heisenberg and Fuchs were opposed to Hitler, maybe there is something about being really smart that makes one oppose a certain type of leadership or even the concept of ones own strong nation states entirely. The 5th risk that Michael Lewis focuses on in his book’s title is bad project management. Ironically, Trump may have been betrayed by his scientists and technical experts over the vaccine. The problem is that Hitler's people in charge of a project were not smart enough to realize what was going on. Jordan might have been and was a bit of a Nazi, but he was not working in the area. Higher intelligence tends to go along with sensitivity, who knew?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    [Heisenberg] was not Jewish, so it is natural to think he was not smart enough, but Heisenberg did win a Nobel prize.

    Plenty of gentiles like Heisenberg made critical contributions to quantum mechanics, and the same for nuclear physics. It’s not a question of Heisenberg being smart per se, it’s what he was smart at, and that wasn’t applications like nuclear reactors and bombs. There was in fact only one universally acknowledged world class theoretical and applied physicist in that period, gentile Enrico Fermi, famous for leading the development of the first nuclear reactor. And it’s a very good thing he was so good at applications, for a labor strike forced them to famously build it on the grounds of the University of Chicago.

    The Farm Hall discussions I keep referring to reveal a great deal about Heisenberg as a theoretician out of his depth about bombs, and his design(s) for reactors show the same. The discussions also showed no sign I can remember that Heisenberg was a secret opponent of Hitler prior to the end of the Third Reich.

    The Nazi nuclear program mostly lead by him except for what the Post Office (!) funded abjectly failed as previously mentioned due to a host of mistakes, although if you want to look for political motivations I would recommend looking at the guy responsible for their discarding graphite as a moderator. Which was no easy trick in the US, it took a long time for the supplier and Manhattan Project advisors to figure out how to make it pure enough, free enough of neutron poisons.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Sean
    @That Would Be Telling


    The discussions also showed no sign I can remember that Heisenberg was a secret opponent of Hitler prior to the end of the Third Reich.
     
    It certainly seems to me that Heisenberg did not want Germany to fight an atomic war against anyone irrespective of who was leading Germany during that atomic war, thus he was an opponent of Franz Josef Strauss's proposal for giving nuclear bazookas to the German army at a time when while not Hitler but rather Adenower was Chancellor. What Werner Heisenberg thought of Hitler I have no idea, but Heisenberg surely understood that Germany having an atomic bomb in WW2 would not stop America developing one in around the same timeframe. Indeed a German crash program would be likely to result in the American bomb being readily much faster than would otherwise be the case. In the late 193o's very few people, including Germans, thought that Germany could win another world war, and I expect Heisenberg would be unlikely to be so naïve as to think only Germans could build an atomic bomb. I suspect Heisenberg did not think building a bomb could win anything but a pyrrhic victory for Germany. As to whether a supposition by Heisenberg that getting a bomb built in Germany would pose an unacceptable risk of Germany getting into an atomic armagedon was correct, it seems not unlikely.

    The Farm Hall discussions I keep referring to reveal a great deal about Heisenberg as a theoretician out of his depth about bombs, and his design(s) for reactors show the same.
     
    Heisenberg as an abstract theoretician who made leaps without fussing over the details sounds right, but that is exactly the man a successful Atomic Bomb project in Hitler's Germany would have required. There were plenty of people capable of solving the applied problems in Germany, as already mentioned Klaus Fuchs developed many of the designs, equations and techniques used to build the first atomic bombs. If Heisenberg's rather Jewish type of intelligence had been fructifying in discussions with Jordan ECT, then Heisenberg would had been able to come up with far more that he did while just thinking on his own. And he came up with the basic bomb ideas, as proved by his lecture few days after Hiroshima.

    In the first conversation Werner Heisenberg had after the news of Hiroshima was given to the German scientists, by way of downplaying the practicality for Germany Heisenberg dismissively said it would take about half a ton of uranium to make a bomb; a third person who was listening interjected to ask Heisenberg 'Then why did you tell me in 1938 it would only take a few dozen kilograms'. This showed Heisenberg reflexively dissimulating about a basic practical issue concerning how easy it would have been be to make an atomic bomb. It seems Heisenberg started concealing his knowledge in the late thirties. Had he gone the other way and said a militarily useable Bomb was a possible in a WW2 timeframe with resources German could afford and convinced the scientific advisors to tell Hitler of that, then Heisenberg might have been given a team and resources to for obtaining the Uranium with a broad based approach using all five suggested methods, of which only one actually worked; instead of just one, which was the wrong one.

  193. @Dave from Oz
    @Elli


    Lots of elderly grandparents living with their Indian and Chinese families here.

     

    They are not grandparents. They are slaves. Literal, actual slaves. Indentured servants, call it whatever you like. They just put "grandparent" down on the Visa. They don't speak english, they are not allowed to leave the house, and they get beaten if they don't work.

    Particularly common among the Jains, because of the crazy complex religious dietary requirements. Only another Jain can correctly cook for a Jain family.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    With the Chinese (in America, that its, Dave), they are babysitters and cooks. The mother goes back, and the mother-in-law comes, like clockwork. They seem a little out of place, with all the space here and people not spitting on the sidewalk and taking care of the outside of their property and all that. The Dads come sometimes, and one guy was going around picking mushrooms, well into people’s yards. He was a nice old guy though. I hope he’s OK … hehe…

    This is all to prop up the University system with cheap labor for research, pushing out almost all Americans in the process. I guess some will send a lot of data home too, but that’s a small price to pay for all that intense diversity.

  194. @black sea
    @Anonymous


    That will work until the black HR lady calls you out and demands you either prove your ancestry or be fired.
     
    Has this ever happened, by any HR person of any race?

    There is no genetic test for Hispanic anyway. It's just a made-up cultural category. If you say you're Hispanic, then the world pretty much has to take you at your word. I don't think HR is going to go to war with you over whether or not you really are, especially as there is no clear definition of what Hispanic is.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I agree, Black Sea. It takes some gall though, that doesn’t come naturally to many White people. You would have to be very very offended, right back at that black HR bitch … without cracking a smile either. It’s tough, but this kind of thing needs to be done.

  195. @Daniel Chieh
    @Wilkey

    I've been there, ish. There is no "push come to shove."

    You just get mysteriously terminated and there will be nothing you can do about it.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Wilkey

    How many people in the entire country have been fired for lying about their race on a job application? How many haven’t been hired for it?

    Probably not ten.

    If you’re a good employee they won’t fire you. If the company can take credit for employing another minority most of them will take it. For most it’s just a government regulation they have to fill, and talk of diversity is just platitudes they have to mouth.

  196. @Anonymous
    Caution is advised. We have been here before: The USSR also invited American engineers to come work in the country in the 1920s and 30s. Lots of people, by no means only communists, took up the offer. Many wound up in the gulag and only returned to America in the 1950s.

    Replies: @Abelard Lindsey

    Most of them ended up dead, during the purges around 1937.

  197. @That Would Be Telling
    @Sean


    [Heisenberg] was not Jewish, so it is natural to think he was not smart enough, but Heisenberg did win a Nobel prize.
     
    Plenty of gentiles like Heisenberg made critical contributions to quantum mechanics, and the same for nuclear physics. It's not a question of Heisenberg being smart per se, it's what he was smart at, and that wasn't applications like nuclear reactors and bombs. There was in fact only one universally acknowledged world class theoretical and applied physicist in that period, gentile Enrico Fermi, famous for leading the development of the first nuclear reactor. And it's a very good thing he was so good at applications, for a labor strike forced them to famously build it on the grounds of the University of Chicago.

    The Farm Hall discussions I keep referring to reveal a great deal about Heisenberg as a theoretician out of his depth about bombs, and his design(s) for reactors show the same. The discussions also showed no sign I can remember that Heisenberg was a secret opponent of Hitler prior to the end of the Third Reich.

    The Nazi nuclear program mostly lead by him except for what the Post Office (!) funded abjectly failed as previously mentioned due to a host of mistakes, although if you want to look for political motivations I would recommend looking at the guy responsible for their discarding graphite as a moderator. Which was no easy trick in the US, it took a long time for the supplier and Manhattan Project advisors to figure out how to make it pure enough, free enough of neutron poisons.

    Replies: @Sean

    The discussions also showed no sign I can remember that Heisenberg was a secret opponent of Hitler prior to the end of the Third Reich.

    It certainly seems to me that Heisenberg did not want Germany to fight an atomic war against anyone irrespective of who was leading Germany during that atomic war, thus he was an opponent of Franz Josef Strauss’s proposal for giving nuclear bazookas to the German army at a time when while not Hitler but rather Adenower was Chancellor. What Werner Heisenberg thought of Hitler I have no idea, but Heisenberg surely understood that Germany having an atomic bomb in WW2 would not stop America developing one in around the same timeframe. Indeed a German crash program would be likely to result in the American bomb being readily much faster than would otherwise be the case. In the late 193o’s very few people, including Germans, thought that Germany could win another world war, and I expect Heisenberg would be unlikely to be so naïve as to think only Germans could build an atomic bomb. I suspect Heisenberg did not think building a bomb could win anything but a pyrrhic victory for Germany. As to whether a supposition by Heisenberg that getting a bomb built in Germany would pose an unacceptable risk of Germany getting into an atomic armagedon was correct, it seems not unlikely.

    The Farm Hall discussions I keep referring to reveal a great deal about Heisenberg as a theoretician out of his depth about bombs, and his design(s) for reactors show the same.

    Heisenberg as an abstract theoretician who made leaps without fussing over the details sounds right, but that is exactly the man a successful Atomic Bomb project in Hitler’s Germany would have required. There were plenty of people capable of solving the applied problems in Germany, as already mentioned Klaus Fuchs developed many of the designs, equations and techniques used to build the first atomic bombs. If Heisenberg’s rather Jewish type of intelligence had been fructifying in discussions with Jordan ECT, then Heisenberg would had been able to come up with far more that he did while just thinking on his own. And he came up with the basic bomb ideas, as proved by his lecture few days after Hiroshima.

    In the first conversation Werner Heisenberg had after the news of Hiroshima was given to the German scientists, by way of downplaying the practicality for Germany Heisenberg dismissively said it would take about half a ton of uranium to make a bomb; a third person who was listening interjected to ask Heisenberg ‘Then why did you tell me in 1938 it would only take a few dozen kilograms’. This showed Heisenberg reflexively dissimulating about a basic practical issue concerning how easy it would have been be to make an atomic bomb. It seems Heisenberg started concealing his knowledge in the late thirties. Had he gone the other way and said a militarily useable Bomb was a possible in a WW2 timeframe with resources German could afford and convinced the scientific advisors to tell Hitler of that, then Heisenberg might have been given a team and resources to for obtaining the Uranium with a broad based approach using all five suggested methods, of which only one actually worked; instead of just one, which was the wrong one.

  198. @JohnnyWalker123
    China isn't going to hire huge numbers of White guys permanently.

    The Chinese will hire a few temporarily, absorb their intellectual property and know-how, and then discard them.

    The Chinese may not have the English fluency necessary to take over major Western companies (as Indians H1bs are doing), but they have an even better plan. Steal their IP and start your own company. Given that the business environment is better in China (fewer regulations, no affirmative action, cheap labor, high productivity workforce), that's an astute strategy.

    Replies: @Jesse, @Elli, @Supply and Demand, @showmethereal

    How do you steal IP if it is given to you???? Help me there… If they hire a white guy – you hire a person for their know how and experience. You don’t hire someone to start over. Most of those guys work in California. The tech explosion happened in California partly because the courts would throw out “non-compete” stipulations. So is the whole California industry built on stealing IP??? Unless there is a patent violation – it’s not stealing.

  199. @Eugene Norman
    @Jesse


    Exactly. It’s amazing how stupid the White men here are being. China doesn’t love you. China won’t rescue you. China owes you nothing.
     
    So what? if they can hoover up some talent that’s discarded in the US they will do it.

    That’s another reason why the US Empire is accelerating its decline. It relies on male white and Asian, mostly Chinese, talent to produce its STEM output but it attacks both of them, from the left (white and male privilege) and the Chinese from the right (disloyal spies). The latter charge will increase over time. Chinese students will bear the brunt of it and probably stop coming, but even Chinese Americans will be suspect if the new Cold War accelerates. If Chinese students aren’t doing the stem subjects and white Americans are discouraged to, this means the acceleration of grievance studies that will no doubt keep the empire alive for generations to come. I’m looking forward to non phallic shaped missiles myself.

    Also, it may not happen but an alliance between China and European nationalists would do a lot to scupper the transatlantic alliance.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Jack D, @showmethereal

    Very good point. Even before the Trump/Navarro/Rubio/Cruz sponsored crack down – 80% of Chinese students had started returning – simply because there are lots of opportunity at home – especially if you have experience dealing with the west. It will be interesting in the next few years to see if the percentage returning goes over 90% or if it stays the same – or will the students just stop going to the US as much in the first place.

  200. @ringo starr search
    @notsaying

    2000 trains a day used to arrive and depart Grand Central Station in the 1940s, and it was all done without incident and without computers.

    The Boeing 747 went from concept to delivery in two years, without any Computer Aided Design or simulations and modeling. Compare with recent Boeing projects.

    D-Day, in terms of men and machines probably the biggest operation in history, was planned and executed without computers.

    The Apollo program used no emails, Zoom, cellphones, etc... yet they pulled off the most complex and technically ambitious enterprise the world has ever known in less than eight years.

    Replies: @notsaying, @Ugetit, @3g4me, @showmethereal

    Humanity advances because we build in prior knowledge… But yeah I don’t think we are smarter at all. In fact in some ways we are dumbed down because we rely on the machines that help us. Since satellite navigation people have seemed to lose all sense of direction as they rely on their device to tell them where to go.

    I was recently watching a documentary on the Nabateans. The things they were able to accomplish regarding hydrologic engineering in Petra was very very impressive. The average university student today is NOT more intelligent than those people — they just have more tools…

  201. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Hypnotoad666

    Steve should do a post opening a comment section about "Interesting People's Descendants We've Known." The topic pops up a lot around here, and it is perhaps somewhat HBD-related.

    He did once do something about how many handshakes one can go back in history, that sort of thing.

    Replies: @JMcG

    Well I spent a few hours on a train with Kelly Le Brock’s first cousin. Completely gorgeous and with a lovely Scots accent. I probably should have quit my job and kept riding that train.

  202. @Hypnotoad666
    @That Would Be Telling

    The Manhattan Project really has to go down as one of the greatest technological feats of any civilization. Starting from the barest theoretical concepts of the physics in '42 we figured out how to enrich the fuel, and design and build an operational bomb in just three years.

    Now it would take that long just to do the environmental impact statements.

    Replies: @notsaying, @JMcG

    The thing that really amazes me is the the Manhattan Project wasn’t even the most expensive program of the war. That title goes to the B-29 program.

  203. @Philip Owen
    @Hypnotoad666

    The UK and Canada handed over the A bomb to the US.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @JMcG

    And to the Soviets.

  204. @Anonymous
    Communist led corporations hiring angry, bitter white men who are chock full of proprietary information from their former employer!

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy, @Thulean Friend, @Anon, @Anon87

    I’d sell out my shitty company in a second for Chinese cash (this doesn’t include national security, it’s just business), but I doubt they are interested in poor management and underfunded R&D insights.

  205. @Almost Missouri
    @Anon

    Also, those same managers, when they were done with those jobs, rather than pass them on as they had been passed to them, handed them over to less qualified PoCs so they could congratulate themselves on being "diverse". And here we are.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    handed them over to less qualified PoCs so they could congratulate themselves on being “diverse”.

    Boomer managers didn’t hand over jobs to diversity hires because they wanted to feel good about themselves. They handed over those jobs because fulfilling hiring quotas is the way to get a promotion into the c-suite.

    Boomers have never been especially PC or fond of non-whites. However, they’ve always been obsessed with money and having nice things. After Jews took over America’s institutions, they began rewarding Gentiles who advocated for non-whites and embraced diversity. Jewish elites also actively punished Gentiles who stood up for their own people.

    Being opportunistic, many Boomers did what they needed to do to get their management promotions. They may not have felt especially good about the rising tide of color, but they consoled themselves by buying big boats, jet skis, box seat NFL tickets, and second mansions.

    There are very few (if any) Boomers who’d backstab a fellow White out of a sense of morality.
    There are far too many Boomers who’d backstab a fellow White to get that c-suite promotion.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Hmmm. I hadn't thought of it that way.

  206. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Almost Missouri


    handed them over to less qualified PoCs so they could congratulate themselves on being “diverse”.
     
    Boomer managers didn't hand over jobs to diversity hires because they wanted to feel good about themselves. They handed over those jobs because fulfilling hiring quotas is the way to get a promotion into the c-suite.

    Boomers have never been especially PC or fond of non-whites. However, they've always been obsessed with money and having nice things. After Jews took over America's institutions, they began rewarding Gentiles who advocated for non-whites and embraced diversity. Jewish elites also actively punished Gentiles who stood up for their own people.

    Being opportunistic, many Boomers did what they needed to do to get their management promotions. They may not have felt especially good about the rising tide of color, but they consoled themselves by buying big boats, jet skis, box seat NFL tickets, and second mansions.

    There are very few (if any) Boomers who'd backstab a fellow White out of a sense of morality.
    There are far too many Boomers who'd backstab a fellow White to get that c-suite promotion.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Hmmm. I hadn’t thought of it that way.

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