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From Minnesota Public Radio News:

‘Your story will be written’: Ilhan Omar’s stormy rise

Politics Briana Bierschbach · Apr 18, 2019

Growing up in Somalia, Ilhan Omar’s bedtime stories were about Araweelo, a tiny queen who ruled over a kingdom where all women were leaders and all men were peasants. Araweelo’s folklore spread throughout Africa, and even long after she died, women left flowers at her grave while men threw stones.

“My grandfather would tell me this story every single day,” Omar said to a crowd gathered at St. Joan of Arc, a progressive Catholic church in Minneapolis, her small frame pacing across the stage.

“Araweelo was also a very small, tiny person,” Omar said. “She wasn’t feared because she was a big person. She wasn’t feared because she was a tyrant. She was feared because she was wise and she was just.”

The story about a woman who was both revered and despised seems prescient now, given Omar’s political future.

… Omar doesn’t expect the people who dislike her to stop trolling her on Twitter or stop leaving comments about her on news articles, and she chuckles now about her grandfather telling her the story of the controversial Araweelo, the powerful ancient queen.

In Somalia, there are two diverging versions of Araweelo’s myth: Some men say she was a ruthless ruler, while many women idolize her. Omar said the message he was trying to convey holds a lot of currency with her today.

“No matter what you do, your story will be written,” she said. “The best that you can do for yourself and those around you is make sure that you are living the story that you want to be written about you.”

From Wikipedia:

Arawelo

Arawelo or Arraweelo (Somali: Caraweelo) was an ancient Queen in the Somali tradition.

… Like many female rulers, Arawelo fought for female empowerment; she believed society should be based on a matriarchy. She is one of the earliest female rulers in the world who was also a figure of female empowerment,[3] and was known to castrate male prisoners. …

Location

The exact location of her Kingdom is uncertain because any architecture left behind by her kingdom would have almost disappeared considering the great timescale but she was most likely buried somewhere in Northern Somalia, specifically in the Sanaag region of Somalia, since there are many stories of men from that region throwing rocks at her supposed grave and women laying flowers on her grave.

Defying Gender Roles

The queen was well known for defying gender roles. … During her reign, Arawelo’s husband objected to her self-ascribed role as the breadwinner to all of society, as he thought women should be restrict themselves to merely domestic duties about the house and leave everything else to men. In response, Arawelo demanded that all women across the land abandon their womanly role in society, and started hanging men by their testicles.[4] The strike was successful, forcing men to assume more child-rearing and creating a role reversal in society.

Arawelo thought this role reversal was necessary since she saw women as natural peacekeepers. Growing up she noticed that women were not treated well and the men were more often instigators, participants and conductors of war and politics. She not only fought for the liberation of women in feudal society but for the dominance of women as she saw them as better, more efficient leaders.[5]

In Popular Culture

References to Arawelo in Somali culture today include nicknaming a girl/woman who is very assertive and dominant “Caraweelo”. She is also, by one source, claimed to have been the Harla queen of the ancient Somali people[6] but this does not conform with the fact that she is just commonly interpreted as a folkloric figure, with there being no evidence that she existed. Opinions on her legacy vary widely, with critics denouncing her for her androcidal nature and introducing the practise of infibulation, a type of FGM, while supporters eulogize her gynocentric attempts at female empowerment.[7]

I’ve been pointing out lately that as America increasingly enjoys the Blessings of Diversity, our progressive elites’ mindsets are regressing toward more old-fashioned notions. For example, belief in individualism is in decline, and boasting “I am descended from mighty kings!” is once again ascendant.

Or in the case of Rep. Omar, she puts a feminist twist on it: “I am descended from mighty queens!”

The thinking of new American elites like this member of the House of Representatives is rather childish by 20th Century standards, but not by 21st Century standards.

Criticizing this trend toward childishness seems bad because, as Mrs. Lovejoy would say, “Think of the children!” Childish fairytales about black queens can’t be criticized because our society’s highest moral value is boosting the self-esteem of black females, like Rep. Omar, even though they tend to have close to the highest self-esteem already.

 
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  1. Wikipedia says “ location uncertain….”
    It’s next to Wakanda.
    Wikipedia must be written by white guys,

  2. “…hanging men by their testicles” and ” …she saw women as natural peacekeepers” seem to be at odds.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    “'…hanging men by their testicles' and '…she saw women as natural peacekeepers' seem to be at odds.

    Not if the women took trophies and the anonymous editor of this entry misspelled "piece keepers".

    Seriously, though, many women would not find those two statements at odds. I myself consider this a classic example of feminine logic and of why I could never be a feminist.
  3. She trolls Jews and fantasizes about being a dominating Amazon Queen? I think I understand now why good right wing white guys like David Bowie and Niall Ferguson fell for Somali sirens!

    • Replies: @guest
    David Bowe cosplayed as right-wing at least, but Ferguson? He's a court historian who habitually speaks part of the Truth, nothing more.

    I still wonder, because Somali girls have to be among the least attractive on earth. Iman may have been extraterrestrial.
    , @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    I agree. If she wasn't already married to her brother, I might just marry her myself.
    , @El Dato

    She trolls Jews and fantasizes about being a dominating Amazon Queen?
     
    Women of Dune!
  4. A friend of mine’s father who is a well-respected ex-diplomat tells the story of entering a bar at lunchtime in Ireland and encountering an already hammered American literally weeping. Concerned, he asked if he could be of help.

    The guy looked up and said, “They said we were kings. But we were peasants!!”

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Weren't Irish "kings" something more like jarls? Like, there were four hundred of them at once?
  5. For example, belief in individualism is in decline, and boasting “I am descended from mighty kings!” is once again ascendant.

    This is actually very dangerous because individualism within Hajnal line is very precious.

  6. I never have met any Somalis, so will not make this judgement – however, the general view on the internet, and probably not helped by their domination of the pirate industry, is that they have the lowest human capital of any immigrants, that any country can receive.

    On the other hand, Isak Dinesen, in “Out of Africa” (which I have enjoyed some reading chapters from, although not in the original English version yet), describes the Somali women as the noble and introverted, princesses of Africa. Today, the book’s positive description of the Somali women, is somehow condemned for racism – but I would recommend this book a lot for its romantic descriptions of the Serengeti.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    Introductory description of Somali women from the first chapter of book, is contained in the Amazon free preview application embedded in the comment, you can click through above. If you click through to the page which is written 49% of sample in the bottom left of the Amazon application.

    "There were in my day a few beautiful young Somalia women, of whom all the town knew the names... they were intelligent and bewitching people. But the honest Somali women were not seen in the town. etc"

    , @The Wild Geese Howard

    I never have met any Somalis, so will not make this judgement – however, the general view on the internet, and probably not helped by their domination of the pirate industry, is that they have the lowest human capital of any immigrants, that any country can receive.
     
    I know a guy who has worked all over the Middle East and Africa.

    He strongly agrees with the general view of Somalis.
    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "I have never met any Somalis..."

    The only Somalis I have met have been taxi drivers in different cities who all, to a man, could not grasp the basic idea that the cab driver should not sing along at the top of his lungs with the clanging Third World ear-poison coming screeching out of the car radio, while there was a paying customer in the cab.
    , @Lot
    “the lowest human capital of any immigrants”

    They have slightly higher IQs than Bantu Africans and Australian Aboriginals, but along with a little bit of Caucasoid Arab genes also absorbed the worst of Arab culture, primarily from the most dysfunctional of all the Arabs, the Yemanis.
    , @guest
    I live in MN, which may be seriously considering changing its official name to Somalia West. I have never been accosted by one of their women waving a machete. That much can be said in their favor.

    They are more docile than other ethnic groups in mixed company, though who knows what they're like with their own kind.
    , @War for Blair Mountain
    The Human Capital Policy Wonkery is irrelevant..Somalians like the Chinese are not our racial kind...therefore keep them out of our America....
  7. @slumber_j
    A friend of mine’s father who is a well-respected ex-diplomat tells the story of entering a bar at lunchtime in Ireland and encountering an already hammered American literally weeping. Concerned, he asked if he could be of help.

    The guy looked up and said, “They said we were kings. But we were peasants!!”

    Weren’t Irish “kings” something more like jarls? Like, there were four hundred of them at once?

    • Replies: @iffen
    All in the same kingdom?
    , @Autochthon
    Yes, J. Ross; this is so of early Ireland, although there was sometimes an acknowledged Árd rí Éireann ("High King of Ireland"), which rôle came to be more consistently acknowledged by around A.D. 950. More people would know this stuff about the rudimentary history of Europe, the antecedent to America, but for the need to now neglect it so that there is time to study the likes of fictional folk-tales about Araweelo and her testicle-hangings, but it's a matter of priorities, of course. You have to wonder, though, somewhere in Somalia is there a classroom full of students studying Paul Bunyan and Pecos Bill instead of the Macrobian kings? (Okay, okay; probably not since the threshold question "Somewhere in Somalia is there a classroom full of students?" must almost certainly be answered in the negative....)

    (No, Iffen, smart-ass, each in one of myriad petty kingdoms.)
  8. “My grandfather would tell me this story every single day,”

    An intelligent child would have gotten sick of that.

    • LOL: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    kihowi, I used "Green Eggs and Ham" to potty train my two youngest daughters. They learned fast.
  9. Meanwhile, in Oak Park…

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/oak-park/news/ct-oak-julian-school-mural-tl-0418-story.html

    officials recently removed a mural from one of its middle schools after parents and students approached administrators, saying the mural did not “reflect or represent” the current diversity of the school and community.

    A letter sent to families from Julian Middle School Principal Todd Fitzgerald said the mural, which shows only white children and parents, was removed from the school’s commons on April 13

    • Replies: @CCZ
    https://i.imgsafe.org/a095abb715.jpeg
    , @Alden
    So the crime ridden black ghetto has jumped the line separating Chicago from lovely Oak Park? Too bad it’s full of glorious 1900 houses. I understand the only safe route out of Chicago is northern not western or southern suburbs
    , @El Dato
    "Officials" do this, "Officials" do that.

    Who are those Officials and whose orders are they following.

    "Officials remove kebab from premises"
  10. Maybe somebody can recognize this. Thousands of years ago, in the age of Marwil’s, there was this short, small, heavily illustrated book, probably intended for kids. It was about a [mytho-]historical African queen who was neither Nyabinghi nor Nefertiti. The illustrations were crude, but it was not due to their crudeness that the woman was legendarily unattractive: fat, ugly, but also always mean looking. What text I remember reading of the text emphasized from the beginning that she was merciless and cruel. This seemed to have been presented as a good thing, as proof of the power of the state in question, and something to be proud of now.
    I wish I had bought it because its unapologetic tone was such a curiosity.
    >oh so you were reading books at Marwil’s but not buying them, I wonder why they went out of business
    I blame the university that allowed a B&N mini-megastore to open directly across the street. I gave Marwil’s and Border’s plenty of money and it wasn’t enough.

  11. Growing up in Somalia, Ilhan Omar’s bedtime stories were about Araweelo, a tiny queen who ruled over a kingdom where all women were leaders and all men were peasants.

    In other words–feminism.

    ~~

    I’m repetitive, but as with all the other minoritarian glop, this issue of patriarchy/matriarchy can be sorted out very easily by separation–simply letting people live in the society that they desire. Revealed preference. Then we can how the respective societies do in creating free and prosperous societies that people want to live in.

    Obviously I have my opinion about whether patriarchy or matriarchy will attract more followers and produce a better society. But as with national or racial or politically analogs a strong hint about the outcome is in how much of anathema separation–a free choice–is to “progressives”/minoritarians. Like the communists they can’t stand people being allow to quit their project.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
    • Replies: @Forbes
    Since there's little (no?) presence of matriarchy today, I'd suggest we know the answer to this experiment. Others will undoubtedly counter that "it hasn't been tried," which doesn't explain the origin of such folklore. (Which, in all likelihood, could be fictional fantasy.)

    Much like the assertion that real communism/real socialism hasn't been tried yet.
    , @MBlanc46
    They have to build walls to keep them in. We’d have to build walls to keep them out, if our rulers wanted them kept out.
    , @Russell Upvittles

     But as with national or racial or politically analogs a strong hint about the outcome is in how much of anathema separation–a free choice–is to “progressives”/minoritarians. Like the communists they can’t stand people being allow to quit their project.
     
    Brilliant summation, AnotherDad!
  12. OT sort of: Hundreds of negro teenagers terrorize downtown Chicago last night:

    http://www.cwbchicago.com/2019/04/cops-38-arrested-as-hundreds-of-teens.html

    • Replies: @Lot
    Chicago youth show off their Mercedes car2gos:

    http://www.cwbchicago.com/2019/04/car2go-fleet-of-stolen-mercedes-benz.html

    Benz, Benz, Benz!
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Midnight basketball wasn't cutting it.
    , @MBlanc46
    Thanks for that, Mike. I didn’t see it in today’s Trib, if it was in today’s Trib. For those from elsewhere, Thursday was a beautiful spring day with temp in the 70s. One of the first decent days of the year. It appears to have become a tradition for hordes of youfs to terrorize North Michigan Ave, the toniest shopping street, on nice spring days. I do hope that they save some of this for our incoming mayoress.
  13. @Dmitry
    I never have met any Somalis, so will not make this judgement - however, the general view on the internet, and probably not helped by their domination of the pirate industry, is that they have the lowest human capital of any immigrants, that any country can receive.

    On the other hand, Isak Dinesen, in "Out of Africa" (which I have enjoyed some reading chapters from, although not in the original English version yet), describes the Somali women as the noble and introverted, princesses of Africa. Today, the book's positive description of the Somali women, is somehow condemned for racism - but I would recommend this book a lot for its romantic descriptions of the Serengeti.

    https://www.amazon.com/Africa-Modern-Library-Nonfiction-Books/dp/0679600213/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=out+of+africa&qid=1555635422&s=gateway&sr=8-2

    Introductory description of Somali women from the first chapter of book, is contained in the Amazon free preview application embedded in the comment, you can click through above. If you click through to the page which is written 49% of sample in the bottom left of the Amazon application.

    “There were in my day a few beautiful young Somalia women, of whom all the town knew the names… they were intelligent and bewitching people. But the honest Somali women were not seen in the town. etc”

  14. The congressbulb is useful for one reason: BDS. She won’t let it go as long as she’s in office and we should encourage her.

  15. @J.Ross
    Weren't Irish "kings" something more like jarls? Like, there were four hundred of them at once?

    All in the same kingdom?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The average "kingdom" necessarily being something a Saxon would call a "household."
  16. @benjaminl
    Meanwhile, in Oak Park...

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/oak-park/news/ct-oak-julian-school-mural-tl-0418-story.html

    officials recently removed a mural from one of its middle schools after parents and students approached administrators, saying the mural did not “reflect or represent” the current diversity of the school and community.

    A letter sent to families from Julian Middle School Principal Todd Fitzgerald said the mural, which shows only white children and parents, was removed from the school’s commons on April 13
     

    • LOL: BB753, Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Lot
    That’s Internet celebrity Ashleigh Shakelford (she/they).

    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/59ec23a5e9bfdfc979c42e95/1551234788587-SHMX60D449SEMV600SA8/fataf1.jpg?format=1500w&content-type=image%2Fjpeg

    https://en-volve.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/aaa-46.jpg

    https://wearyourvoicemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/IMG_5695-286x400.png
  17. Atomized individualism is for losers. Race conscious domination is for winners. White people used to know this.

    Phrases like “That’s might White of you,” and the popularity of Stepin Fetchit, Amos and Andy, and minstrel shows were a constant reminder that White people needed to move in concert with each other to promote White interests, otherwise they’d end up like Whites in Haiti.

    You can’t call the bullet back. “We wuz Kangz!” is the new rule. For the vibrant diverse anyway. And the idea that a room temperature IQ Somali immigrant from a low level functionary of the Siad Barre dictatorship fleeing her enemies is destined to rule over Whitey is not going to sit very well with Whitey.

    Whitey indeed is going to develop his own White identity. One based on Ancestor veneration at the least, and the mighty heritage of White people and by its very nature denigration of non-Whites outside China, Japan, and some parts of SE Asia.

    I ask seriously, what am I as a White man supposed to respect about savages who built nothing, wrote nothing, achieved nothing, and AT BEST eked out a precarious existence as a semi nomadic tribal people just a few steps away from pure Stone Age savages like the New Guinea rainforest headhunters? Really?

    I can respect the Chinese, who had a civilization near contemporaneous with the Egyptians and Babylonians and kept it, or the Japanese who have built great cities and many clever inventions (the compact disc being one of them). Somalis?

    The only possible response to Ilhan Omar is open contempt for the Somali people as a whole as unfit savages for any civilized nation.

  18. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/upshot/how-much-slower-would-the-us-grow-without-immigration-in-many-places-a-lot.html?em_pos=small&emc=edit_up_20190418&nl=upshot&nl_art=0&nlid=58766348emc%3Dedit_up_20190418&ref=headline&te=1

    As the United States debates the right levels of immigration — and whether, as President Trump suggested, there is room for much more of it — new census data shows that international migration is keeping population growth above water in much of the country.

    Although international migration dropped in 2017 and 2018, it accounted for nearly half of overall American population growth in 2018 as birthrates declined and death rates rose.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    So in other words if I steal every last cent owned by every NYT writer, replacing it with Monopoly money, the population growth of their bank accounts are being "kept above water."
    , @The Alarmist

    "... new census data shows that international migration is keeping population growth above water in much of the country."
     
    You say that like it's a good thing. Real GDP has been stagnant; that means per capita real GDP is decreasing. Immigration is making most Americans poorer.
    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "it accounted for nearly half of overall American population growth"

    Explain to me again why American population growth is desirable. I can find no reason, none whatsoever, why in a country (no longer a "nation", alas, thanks to mooching migrants) of 300-plus million people, we should have any growth at all -- especially if the growth comes substantially from hostile foreign bloodsuckers.

    And yes, I don't care one shekel about boomer pensions, or even boomer heads remaining attached to boomer necks.

    And yes, "Screeching Third World Ear Poison" is the band-name of the new collaboration between David Byrne and Thurston Moore.
    , @Forbes
    The only growth anyone should care about is their standard of living, i.e. per capita GDP.

    The NYT is writing about growth for the sake of growth, whether total population or the absolute level of GDP. Adding unskilled, poorly educated, and non-English speaking immigrants lowers per capita GDP--our standard of living.

    The NYT is a propaganda rag with an agenda which isn't in America's best interests.
  19. Importing Somolis as valid immigrants is only one merely feeble step above importing Papuans, Australoids or Khoi San, Andamanese or Sentinel islanders, the Roma, and the pygmy negritos of tropical Southeast Asia, the Yanomamo of the Amazon basin and the rare, possibly not-documentable and apochraphal inhabitants of the Kergolen islands. Diversity, taken to its logical extreme, knows no truth outside of itself.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    Those nationalities you write are not Islamic, so it would not import a potential base for Jihadi terrorism. Although it is true that Al-Shabaab at least does not seem to attack targets outside Africa, unlike Arab groups, and is mainly attacking only in Somalia and Kenya.
  20. @Dmitry
    I never have met any Somalis, so will not make this judgement - however, the general view on the internet, and probably not helped by their domination of the pirate industry, is that they have the lowest human capital of any immigrants, that any country can receive.

    On the other hand, Isak Dinesen, in "Out of Africa" (which I have enjoyed some reading chapters from, although not in the original English version yet), describes the Somali women as the noble and introverted, princesses of Africa. Today, the book's positive description of the Somali women, is somehow condemned for racism - but I would recommend this book a lot for its romantic descriptions of the Serengeti.

    https://www.amazon.com/Africa-Modern-Library-Nonfiction-Books/dp/0679600213/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=out+of+africa&qid=1555635422&s=gateway&sr=8-2

    I never have met any Somalis, so will not make this judgement – however, the general view on the internet, and probably not helped by their domination of the pirate industry, is that they have the lowest human capital of any immigrants, that any country can receive.

    I know a guy who has worked all over the Middle East and Africa.

    He strongly agrees with the general view of Somalis.

    • Replies: @Herzog
    I can tell you from experience that generally Ethiopians loathe / despise / hate Somalis, their next-door neighbors. Also, they have their own domestic Somalis (from the Ogadeen), and their view of them is essentially the same.

    The -- to me -- surprising thing to find out was that it's not only Ethiopian Christians who hold this low view of Somalis, but that the Ethiopian non-Somali Muslims to all intents and purposes share it. Perhaps they are negligibly less passionate about it, that's all that can be said for distinction.

    As to non-Somali Kenyans' opinions: Don't even ask, after all the ash-Shabaab terror they have been exposed to.
  21. I think the vibrant 49ers fan in this clip speaks for us all with regard to Queen Arawelo:

    “Who bitch this is?!”

    Indeed.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    The proud, proud rich white snobs of Minneapolis, Minnesota who elected her to Congress with 78% of the vote, and they couldn't be happier with her performance. Those near you can't wait to do likewise - ask them.

    The only cure is sure and unmistakable defeat at the hands of an inarguably superior alternative.
  22. Black America were all the men are playas and the women are baby mommas. There, I updated the storey. Check back in a few years for the first AA girl named Araweelo, or A’raw-ello.

  23. @kihowi

    “My grandfather would tell me this story every single day,”
     
    An intelligent child would have gotten sick of that.

    kihowi, I used “Green Eggs and Ham” to potty train my two youngest daughters. They learned fast.

  24. Doesn’t square well with a thousand plus years of the Muslim oppression of women. I don’t think Omar, Tlaib or even aoc would be allowed so much leash in their home countries. Be more like fgm.

  25. Individualism regards man—every man—as an independent, sovereign entity who possesses an inalienable right to his own life, a right derived from his nature as a rational being. Individualism holds that a civilized society, or any form of association, cooperation or peaceful coexistence among men, can be achieved only on the basis of the recognition of individual rights—and that a group, as such, has no rights other than the individual rights of its members. — Ayn Rand

  26. As someone who was raised Christian, it was quite the shock seeing Black behavior which appeared to be completely the opposite of Christian ethics. Stuff like not bragging too much, being modest and discrete, being kind to others, and so on, blacks act completely opposite to that.

    It was pretty ironic seeing Nipsy Hussle’s brother talking about how the guy never backed down. This is why he was shot. Because he never backed down and listened to the other guy. That’s how black culture is. This is why black crime is so high.

    • Replies: @Alden
    3 weeks after his death the LA Slimes still has daily articles on the front page of the California section about him. recently there was another brawl at another of the daily memorial events.
  27. @iffen
    All in the same kingdom?

    The average “kingdom” necessarily being something a Saxon would call a “household.”

  28. @Dmitry
    I never have met any Somalis, so will not make this judgement - however, the general view on the internet, and probably not helped by their domination of the pirate industry, is that they have the lowest human capital of any immigrants, that any country can receive.

    On the other hand, Isak Dinesen, in "Out of Africa" (which I have enjoyed some reading chapters from, although not in the original English version yet), describes the Somali women as the noble and introverted, princesses of Africa. Today, the book's positive description of the Somali women, is somehow condemned for racism - but I would recommend this book a lot for its romantic descriptions of the Serengeti.

    https://www.amazon.com/Africa-Modern-Library-Nonfiction-Books/dp/0679600213/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=out+of+africa&qid=1555635422&s=gateway&sr=8-2

    “I have never met any Somalis…”

    The only Somalis I have met have been taxi drivers in different cities who all, to a man, could not grasp the basic idea that the cab driver should not sing along at the top of his lungs with the clanging Third World ear-poison coming screeching out of the car radio, while there was a paying customer in the cab.

    • Replies: @guest
    My D.C. cab driver, whom I only used because a fellow tourist contracted a walking handicap, disobeyed all laws of traffic, man, and God to get us to our destination a little early. Which is fine by me, I guess, because I'm alive.

    Society, on the other hand...But it's a swamp.
  29. @IQ Realist
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/upshot/how-much-slower-would-the-us-grow-without-immigration-in-many-places-a-lot.html?em_pos=small&emc=edit_up_20190418&nl=upshot&nl_art=0&nlid=58766348emc%3Dedit_up_20190418&ref=headline&te=1

    As the United States debates the right levels of immigration — and whether, as President Trump suggested, there is room for much more of it — new census data shows that international migration is keeping population growth above water in much of the country.

    Although international migration dropped in 2017 and 2018, it accounted for nearly half of overall American population growth in 2018 as birthrates declined and death rates rose.

    So in other words if I steal every last cent owned by every NYT writer, replacing it with Monopoly money, the population growth of their bank accounts are being “kept above water.”

    • Replies: @Bugg
    Quite a few supposed conservatives trot out this awful argument. Simply adding to GNP is not the same as per capita income nor quality of life. A less-crowded America with the people per capita making more income is going to be way better than adding lots of illegals even if they add to GNP as an absolute number. A town on Long Island filled with day worker Latino illegals in flophouses is not as nice a place as a less-crowded but prosperous town of middle class contractors, cops, teachers and nurses.

    Anyone know when or why GNP became GDP?

  30. I’m Somali.

    I’m not gonna lie: Despite all our faults, Somalis REALLY like themselves. We deeply love our language, our Somalinimo, and our deen (Islam) and the simple experience of being Somali. We’re ethnocentric to a fault but we’re also good warriors and when the Portuguese tried to enslave us we killed their leader.

    I believe in Somaliweyn (greater Somalia). For some reason England/Italy decided to give away some 40% of historical Somali lands to Kenya and Ethiopia, lands that are still overwhelmingly occupied by Somalis. You can bet there are separatist movements in these regions, one of which has a twitter page:

    https://twitter.com/onlfofficial?lang=en

    And yes, we are in the West only because of material need. We really wouldn’t be here otherwise. We don’t much like you either.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    >in the west only because of material need
    Ballpark what are we talking here? Do you take checks?
    , @J.Ross
    It does have to be noted, and I missed it if anybody else pointed this out, that Nicholas Awde at Hippocrene Books is pretty much holding up half the shop on his shoulders. His name appears on far more dictionaries and phrasebooks than the Somali one.
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose

    And yes, we are in the West only because of material need. We really wouldn’t be here otherwise. We don’t much like you either.
     
    Hate to break it to you, chum, but you are only in the West because we feel sorry for you. But on some level, you know that. It explains your dislike of your generous hosts.

    But what you think of us is irrelevant, because Somalis depend on the pity of those they 'don't much like.' You are literally incapable of feeding your own children. But a more confident and accomplished people would experience a feeling of gratitude.

    , @Vinteuil

    I’m Somali.
     
    And tiny duck is a duck.
    , @Vinteuil
    Any Somali immigrant to America who's been here for a few years & who's capable of reading Dune would be teaching at Harvard or Yale, by now, and wouldn't have a moment to spare for commenting on marginal websites like this one.
  31. @Dmitry
    I never have met any Somalis, so will not make this judgement - however, the general view on the internet, and probably not helped by their domination of the pirate industry, is that they have the lowest human capital of any immigrants, that any country can receive.

    On the other hand, Isak Dinesen, in "Out of Africa" (which I have enjoyed some reading chapters from, although not in the original English version yet), describes the Somali women as the noble and introverted, princesses of Africa. Today, the book's positive description of the Somali women, is somehow condemned for racism - but I would recommend this book a lot for its romantic descriptions of the Serengeti.

    https://www.amazon.com/Africa-Modern-Library-Nonfiction-Books/dp/0679600213/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=out+of+africa&qid=1555635422&s=gateway&sr=8-2

    “the lowest human capital of any immigrants”

    They have slightly higher IQs than Bantu Africans and Australian Aboriginals, but along with a little bit of Caucasoid Arab genes also absorbed the worst of Arab culture, primarily from the most dysfunctional of all the Arabs, the Yemanis.

    • Replies: @Ragno
    That settles it then. Do they vote en masse? Then put us down for 500,000 to start with.
  32. Collectivism means the subjugation of the individual to a group—whether to a race, class or state does not matter. Collectivism holds that man must be chained to collective action and collective thought for the sake of what is called “the common good.” — Ayn Rand

  33. Interesting how we have Omar telling the myth of her own past at the same moment Ocasio is telling the myth of her own future. Are both of their handlers working off of the same basic script? Are we going to hear Tlaib’s myth anytime soon?

  34. @MikeatMikedotMike
    OT sort of: Hundreds of negro teenagers terrorize downtown Chicago last night:

    http://www.cwbchicago.com/2019/04/cops-38-arrested-as-hundreds-of-teens.html

    Chicago youth show off their Mercedes car2gos:

    http://www.cwbchicago.com/2019/04/car2go-fleet-of-stolen-mercedes-benz.html

    Benz, Benz, Benz!

  35. @Ian Smith
    She trolls Jews and fantasizes about being a dominating Amazon Queen? I think I understand now why good right wing white guys like David Bowie and Niall Ferguson fell for Somali sirens!

    David Bowe cosplayed as right-wing at least, but Ferguson? He’s a court historian who habitually speaks part of the Truth, nothing more.

    I still wonder, because Somali girls have to be among the least attractive on earth. Iman may have been extraterrestrial.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Iman may have been extraterrestrial.
     
    Not my cup of tea. Though I did date a tall Jamaican girl with amazing legs. That only worked because I had a stocking fetish.
    , @Ian Smith
    Ferguson would be a squishy liberal by Unz commenter standards, but the fact that he is pro-Western civilization and says nice things about the British Empire sends leftists into point and sputter mode.
  36. “stormy rise”

    Brings to my mind Daenerys “Stormborn” Targaryen. Except she’s So White and disturbingly inbred.

  37. @Gurney Halleck
    I'm Somali.

    I'm not gonna lie: Despite all our faults, Somalis REALLY like themselves. We deeply love our language, our Somalinimo, and our deen (Islam) and the simple experience of being Somali. We're ethnocentric to a fault but we're also good warriors and when the Portuguese tried to enslave us we killed their leader.

    I believe in Somaliweyn (greater Somalia). For some reason England/Italy decided to give away some 40% of historical Somali lands to Kenya and Ethiopia, lands that are still overwhelmingly occupied by Somalis. You can bet there are separatist movements in these regions, one of which has a twitter page:

    https://twitter.com/onlfofficial?lang=en

    And yes, we are in the West only because of material need. We really wouldn't be here otherwise. We don't much like you either.

    >in the west only because of material need
    Ballpark what are we talking here? Do you take checks?

    • LOL: Kylie
    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    If he doesn't, I can certainly bear that burden for him.

    Ballpark how much you can afford. Transferwise; get with the times, old man.
  38. We all gave the slave mentality . Sailer

  39. For example, belief in individualism is in decline, and boasting “I am descended from mighty kings!” is once again ascendant.

    Sure Steve, except for Whites. Whites are told again and again they have nothing to do with the mighty achievements of their forebears, whilst also being told they are responsible for all the alleged misdeeds of their forbears.

    Doublethink. Re-read Orwell’s “1984”. A lot of the Current Year will make more sense to you.

  40. @Gurney Halleck
    I'm Somali.

    I'm not gonna lie: Despite all our faults, Somalis REALLY like themselves. We deeply love our language, our Somalinimo, and our deen (Islam) and the simple experience of being Somali. We're ethnocentric to a fault but we're also good warriors and when the Portuguese tried to enslave us we killed their leader.

    I believe in Somaliweyn (greater Somalia). For some reason England/Italy decided to give away some 40% of historical Somali lands to Kenya and Ethiopia, lands that are still overwhelmingly occupied by Somalis. You can bet there are separatist movements in these regions, one of which has a twitter page:

    https://twitter.com/onlfofficial?lang=en

    And yes, we are in the West only because of material need. We really wouldn't be here otherwise. We don't much like you either.

    It does have to be noted, and I missed it if anybody else pointed this out, that Nicholas Awde at Hippocrene Books is pretty much holding up half the shop on his shoulders. His name appears on far more dictionaries and phrasebooks than the Somali one.

    • Replies: @Gurney Halleck
    ...okay.
  41. According to this article, Araweelo (aka Caraweelo ) was an Ethiopian Jew. Which raises the question of why can’t Omar acknowledge her Jewish roots? Some Stein at the NYT should get onto it.

    Speaking of our Semitic Superiors, I’ve ordered this nifty Arawelo [sic] Snapback Cap. I can’t wait to wear it to the next AIPAC boondoggle in support of the Endless Wars For Jewish Justice.

  42. @Dmitry
    I never have met any Somalis, so will not make this judgement - however, the general view on the internet, and probably not helped by their domination of the pirate industry, is that they have the lowest human capital of any immigrants, that any country can receive.

    On the other hand, Isak Dinesen, in "Out of Africa" (which I have enjoyed some reading chapters from, although not in the original English version yet), describes the Somali women as the noble and introverted, princesses of Africa. Today, the book's positive description of the Somali women, is somehow condemned for racism - but I would recommend this book a lot for its romantic descriptions of the Serengeti.

    https://www.amazon.com/Africa-Modern-Library-Nonfiction-Books/dp/0679600213/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=out+of+africa&qid=1555635422&s=gateway&sr=8-2

    I live in MN, which may be seriously considering changing its official name to Somalia West. I have never been accosted by one of their women waving a machete. That much can be said in their favor.

    They are more docile than other ethnic groups in mixed company, though who knows what they’re like with their own kind.

  43. @CCZ
    https://i.imgsafe.org/a095abb715.jpeg
    • Replies: @CCZ
    She be a massive intellect.

    From Ashleigh Shackelford: “For White People Who Want to Attend #BlackLivesMatter Protests”

    http://wearyourvoicemag.com/identities/race/white-people-blacklivesmatter-protests

    Nothing you have is yours. Let me be clear: Nothing you have is yours. Reparations are not donations, because we are not your charity, tax write off, or good deed for the day. You are living off of stolen resources, stolen land, exploited labor, appropriated culture and the murder of our people. Nothing you have is yours.

    You have to give us everything we need and more, because even if it means you go without — it doesn’t matter because that’s how we been living for 400+ years. Reparations will never be negotiable. So if you’re not willing to talk money, you are not here for #BlackLivesMatter as a movement or for us as individuals.

    We are marching, yelling, singing, physically and mentally exhausted because WHITE PEOPLE ARE KILLING US.

    I’m actually retraumatized by how comfortable white people are in not doing anything to change their violence. Black people are being murdered, violated and oppressed every day. We are literally in mourning every minute of our lives.

    Ask yourself if you’re willing to die for us and to die to dismantle this system. Are you willing to learn everything possible about antiblackness and its many forms so that you can dismantle it? Are you willing to give up everything you have to make sure Black people can survive, thrive and be safe? If you cannot answer yes...you serve no purpose. Your presence only triggers the black people that are frightened by you.
     
  44. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "I have never met any Somalis..."

    The only Somalis I have met have been taxi drivers in different cities who all, to a man, could not grasp the basic idea that the cab driver should not sing along at the top of his lungs with the clanging Third World ear-poison coming screeching out of the car radio, while there was a paying customer in the cab.

    My D.C. cab driver, whom I only used because a fellow tourist contracted a walking handicap, disobeyed all laws of traffic, man, and God to get us to our destination a little early. Which is fine by me, I guess, because I’m alive.

    Society, on the other hand…But it’s a swamp.

  45. @IQ Realist
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/upshot/how-much-slower-would-the-us-grow-without-immigration-in-many-places-a-lot.html?em_pos=small&emc=edit_up_20190418&nl=upshot&nl_art=0&nlid=58766348emc%3Dedit_up_20190418&ref=headline&te=1

    As the United States debates the right levels of immigration — and whether, as President Trump suggested, there is room for much more of it — new census data shows that international migration is keeping population growth above water in much of the country.

    Although international migration dropped in 2017 and 2018, it accounted for nearly half of overall American population growth in 2018 as birthrates declined and death rates rose.

    “… new census data shows that international migration is keeping population growth above water in much of the country.”

    You say that like it’s a good thing. Real GDP has been stagnant; that means per capita real GDP is decreasing. Immigration is making most Americans poorer.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Autochthon
    I've long ago learned there are apparently about ten numerate people on the planet, including John Derbyshire and me, that only allows for eight more. The number for persons both numerate and capable of comprehending the concept of overpopulation, or even that underlying relation between finite resources combined with growing consumption, is, maybe, I think, five. So, with you and IC1000 joining myself and John Derbyshire, that leaves one other unaccounted for.

    Welcome to the club; we're a small lot, and we meet at Cassandra's Place....
  46. @IQ Realist
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/upshot/how-much-slower-would-the-us-grow-without-immigration-in-many-places-a-lot.html?em_pos=small&emc=edit_up_20190418&nl=upshot&nl_art=0&nlid=58766348emc%3Dedit_up_20190418&ref=headline&te=1

    As the United States debates the right levels of immigration — and whether, as President Trump suggested, there is room for much more of it — new census data shows that international migration is keeping population growth above water in much of the country.

    Although international migration dropped in 2017 and 2018, it accounted for nearly half of overall American population growth in 2018 as birthrates declined and death rates rose.

    “it accounted for nearly half of overall American population growth”

    Explain to me again why American population growth is desirable. I can find no reason, none whatsoever, why in a country (no longer a “nation”, alas, thanks to mooching migrants) of 300-plus million people, we should have any growth at all — especially if the growth comes substantially from hostile foreign bloodsuckers.

    And yes, I don’t care one shekel about boomer pensions, or even boomer heads remaining attached to boomer necks.

    And yes, “Screeching Third World Ear Poison” is the band-name of the new collaboration between David Byrne and Thurston Moore.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Explain to me again why American population growth is desirable.
     
    -- Breaking up coherent national ethnys, making minorities feel more comfortable.
    -- Settling ethnic scores.
    -- More clients and more voters for the state party. ("Diversity is the health of the state".)
    -- Cheap labor for the cheap labor shills. Lower wages for business generally.
    -- More toilet paper sales.
    -- Endless virtue signalling opportunities for "good whites" who "value diversity".
    -- Rubbing deplorables' noses in it.

    I can find no reason, none whatsoever, why in a country (no longer a “nation”, alas, thanks to mooching migrants) of 300-plus million people, we should have any growth at all — especially if the growth comes substantially from hostile foreign bloodsuckers.
     
    Stop making sense!
    , @ben tillman

    Explain to me again why American population growth is desirable. I can find no reason, none whatsoever, why in a country (no longer a “nation”, alas, thanks to mooching migrants) of 300-plus million people, we should have any growth at all — especially if the growth comes substantially from hostile foreign bloodsuckers.

    And yes, I don’t care one shekel about boomer pensions, or even boomer heads remaining attached to boomer necks.
     

    The fact that Americans are not having more children tells us that Americans do not want or need more Americans. The market has spoken.
  47. This story actually makes Omar seem pretty cool.

    Any woman that’s into glamorous queens instead of “first female blablabla” or some woke celebrity is okay. She’s living by norms of her own culture which is totally alien to ours, but she clearly has a healthy sense of self, which is more than you can say for most American women.

    My obsession is Catherine the Great.

    One of the reasons women’s history seems so boring is because we still have the Victorian tendency to focus on “good” and “moral” women. Same reason that there aren’t many female villains or antiheroes in movies…weird confluence of Victorianism with dour modern day feminism.

    Men wouldn’t be interested in historical figures either if it were only about scientists and social reformers.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    This is true. All the women in the Flashman papers were either real or derived from a real person.
  48. @AnotherDad

    Growing up in Somalia, Ilhan Omar’s bedtime stories were about Araweelo, a tiny queen who ruled over a kingdom where all women were leaders and all men were peasants.
     
    In other words--feminism.

    ~~

    I'm repetitive, but as with all the other minoritarian glop, this issue of patriarchy/matriarchy can be sorted out very easily by separation--simply letting people live in the society that they desire. Revealed preference. Then we can how the respective societies do in creating free and prosperous societies that people want to live in.

    Obviously I have my opinion about whether patriarchy or matriarchy will attract more followers and produce a better society. But as with national or racial or politically analogs a strong hint about the outcome is in how much of anathema separation--a free choice--is to "progressives"/minoritarians. Like the communists they can't stand people being allow to quit their project.

    Since there’s little (no?) presence of matriarchy today, I’d suggest we know the answer to this experiment. Others will undoubtedly counter that “it hasn’t been tried,” which doesn’t explain the origin of such folklore. (Which, in all likelihood, could be fictional fantasy.)

    Much like the assertion that real communism/real socialism hasn’t been tried yet.

  49. @J.Ross
    So in other words if I steal every last cent owned by every NYT writer, replacing it with Monopoly money, the population growth of their bank accounts are being "kept above water."

    Quite a few supposed conservatives trot out this awful argument. Simply adding to GNP is not the same as per capita income nor quality of life. A less-crowded America with the people per capita making more income is going to be way better than adding lots of illegals even if they add to GNP as an absolute number. A town on Long Island filled with day worker Latino illegals in flophouses is not as nice a place as a less-crowded but prosperous town of middle class contractors, cops, teachers and nurses.

    Anyone know when or why GNP became GDP?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "Anyone know when or why GNP became GDP?"
     
    I've wondered this too.

    My recollection of when was late 1980s.

    My recollection of why was that the official reason was something vague, opaque and circular, so the same kind of fake logic we get for immigration and global warming arguments, with likely the same dishonest selfishness lying beneath.

    The main difference between GNP and GDP is that GNP credits production abroad back to the home country, while GDP credits production to the country where the production occurs, irrespective of the ownership.

    I suppose GDP stats are easier to compile, since you don't have to trace ownership back to its source, you can just take each domestic tax authority at face value on that jurisdiction's activity.

    A more cynical take is that as globalism advanced and ownership became more and more concentrated, the Soros-type oligarchs preferred GDP as it made the increasingly embarrassing concentration of wealth less obvious.

    A Euro-leftie, IIRC, said that the GNP-to-GDP switch was a late stage colonialist move to trick ex-colonies into thinking they were producing more than they really were—or rather, it was apparent under GNP that the profits of what they produced were going elsewhere, but it was hidden under GDP. So maybe that's a Marxist way of saying nearly the same thing as the previous paragraph.
    , @International Jew

    Anyone know when or why GNP became GDP?
     
    They're two different things, so it's not like "GNP became GDP". Unless you mean, "When did the press mostly stop talking about GNP and instead start talking about GDP?" And then I'd say, oh, the mid-1980s.

    In the US, GNP and GDP are pretty close to equal, and over time they have like a 95% correlation. They're significantly different for countries that have a large population of working immigrants or emigrants, like Mexico or Qatar, or alot of foreign-owned factories on their territory like Liberia. I'll leave it to you to look up the definitions.

    , @AnotherDad

    Quite a few supposed conservatives trot out this awful argument. Simply adding to GNP is not the same as per capita income nor quality of life.
     
    Not actual conservatives, as they aren't interested in conserving our people, culture, land--nation.

    Business idolaters. Really not even that. Real productive business doesn't depend on immigration driven population growth.

    Some sort of weird, bean counting, GDP idolaters.
  50. @MikeatMikedotMike
    OT sort of: Hundreds of negro teenagers terrorize downtown Chicago last night:

    http://www.cwbchicago.com/2019/04/cops-38-arrested-as-hundreds-of-teens.html

    Midnight basketball wasn’t cutting it.

  51. @Lot
    That’s Internet celebrity Ashleigh Shakelford (she/they).

    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/59ec23a5e9bfdfc979c42e95/1551234788587-SHMX60D449SEMV600SA8/fataf1.jpg?format=1500w&content-type=image%2Fjpeg

    https://en-volve.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/aaa-46.jpg

    https://wearyourvoicemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/IMG_5695-286x400.png

    She be a massive intellect.

    From Ashleigh Shackelford: “For White People Who Want to Attend #BlackLivesMatter Protests”

    http://wearyourvoicemag.com/identities/race/white-people-blacklivesmatter-protests

    Nothing you have is yours. Let me be clear: Nothing you have is yours. Reparations are not donations, because we are not your charity, tax write off, or good deed for the day. You are living off of stolen resources, stolen land, exploited labor, appropriated culture and the murder of our people. Nothing you have is yours.

    You have to give us everything we need and more, because even if it means you go without — it doesn’t matter because that’s how we been living for 400+ years. Reparations will never be negotiable. So if you’re not willing to talk money, you are not here for #BlackLivesMatter as a movement or for us as individuals.

    We are marching, yelling, singing, physically and mentally exhausted because WHITE PEOPLE ARE KILLING US.

    I’m actually retraumatized by how comfortable white people are in not doing anything to change their violence. Black people are being murdered, violated and oppressed every day. We are literally in mourning every minute of our lives.

    Ask yourself if you’re willing to die for us and to die to dismantle this system. Are you willing to learn everything possible about antiblackness and its many forms so that you can dismantle it? Are you willing to give up everything you have to make sure Black people can survive, thrive and be safe? If you cannot answer yes…you serve no purpose. Your presence only triggers the black people that are frightened by you.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    This should be an editorial in the New York Times.
    , @ic1000
    Thanks, CCZ. Ashleigh Shackelford is awesome, every N0t-Yet-Woke American should get to know this icon of the #BlackLivesMatter movement.

    Beyonce got the tongue bath last night on TV (Entertainment Tonight), but Ashleigh is just as beautiful in her own way. And if Beyonce soft-pedals her message via indistinct lyrics, Ashleigh delivers with clarity.

    "We hate you: yesterday, today, and tomorrow. We wish the worst on you and yours."

    People should know what they're signing up for.


    For White People Who Want to Attend #BlackLivesMatter Protests
    by Ashleigh Shackleford, a queer, nonbinary Black fat femme writer, artist, and cultural producer.
    July 11, 2016
    Wear Your Voice Magazine, Intersectional Feminist Media

    In the last two years that I’ve organized around antiblack violence and within the #BlackLivesMatter movement, I’ve witnessed white people showing up more and more to protests and rallies...

    Nothing you [white people] have is yours. Let me be clear: Nothing you have is yours. Reparations are not donations, because we are not your charity, tax write off, or good deed for the day. You are living off of stolen resources, stolen land, exploited labor, appropriated culture and the murder of our people. Nothing you have is yours. ...

    You have to give us everything we need and more, because even if it means you go without — it doesn’t matter because that’s how we been living for 400+ years. Reparations will never be negotiable...
     

    Hey, Minnesota Public Radio listeners, faculty and students of Reed College and Middlebury College -- are you curious about what your friends and allies think of you?

    Just ask!

  52. @IQ Realist
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/upshot/how-much-slower-would-the-us-grow-without-immigration-in-many-places-a-lot.html?em_pos=small&emc=edit_up_20190418&nl=upshot&nl_art=0&nlid=58766348emc%3Dedit_up_20190418&ref=headline&te=1

    As the United States debates the right levels of immigration — and whether, as President Trump suggested, there is room for much more of it — new census data shows that international migration is keeping population growth above water in much of the country.

    Although international migration dropped in 2017 and 2018, it accounted for nearly half of overall American population growth in 2018 as birthrates declined and death rates rose.

    The only growth anyone should care about is their standard of living, i.e. per capita GDP.

    The NYT is writing about growth for the sake of growth, whether total population or the absolute level of GDP. Adding unskilled, poorly educated, and non-English speaking immigrants lowers per capita GDP–our standard of living.

    The NYT is a propaganda rag with an agenda which isn’t in America’s best interests.

    • Replies: @Oddsbodkins
    'The NYT is writing about growth for the sake of growth...'

    No no, the NYT is writing about growth for the sake of rentiers.
  53. @Ian Smith
    She trolls Jews and fantasizes about being a dominating Amazon Queen? I think I understand now why good right wing white guys like David Bowie and Niall Ferguson fell for Somali sirens!

    I agree. If she wasn’t already married to her brother, I might just marry her myself.

  54. Another reason NPR should be cut off from federal funds. More fairy tales from cloud cuckoo land.

  55. @Gurney Halleck
    I'm Somali.

    I'm not gonna lie: Despite all our faults, Somalis REALLY like themselves. We deeply love our language, our Somalinimo, and our deen (Islam) and the simple experience of being Somali. We're ethnocentric to a fault but we're also good warriors and when the Portuguese tried to enslave us we killed their leader.

    I believe in Somaliweyn (greater Somalia). For some reason England/Italy decided to give away some 40% of historical Somali lands to Kenya and Ethiopia, lands that are still overwhelmingly occupied by Somalis. You can bet there are separatist movements in these regions, one of which has a twitter page:

    https://twitter.com/onlfofficial?lang=en

    And yes, we are in the West only because of material need. We really wouldn't be here otherwise. We don't much like you either.

    And yes, we are in the West only because of material need. We really wouldn’t be here otherwise. We don’t much like you either.

    Hate to break it to you, chum, but you are only in the West because we feel sorry for you. But on some level, you know that. It explains your dislike of your generous hosts.

    But what you think of us is irrelevant, because Somalis depend on the pity of those they ‘don’t much like.’ You are literally incapable of feeding your own children. But a more confident and accomplished people would experience a feeling of gratitude.

    • Replies: @Gurney Halleck
    We feel sorry for you too. Your society lacks warmth and belonging, has no meaningful traditions, has fucked up relationships between the sexes, is massively unhappy with an absurd percentage of the population suffering from depression, lacks eudaimonia, is perverted, etc etc.
    , @Johann Ricke

    But what you think of us is irrelevant, because Somalis depend on the pity of those they ‘don’t much like.’ You are literally incapable of feeding your own children. But a more confident and accomplished people would experience a feeling of gratitude.
     
    What you're missing is the fact that megalomania is way over-represented among blacks and Muslims, and Somalis are both.
  56. Only the cerebrally-challenged could believe that it’s possible to hang a man by his testicles.

  57. She’s a peach. She laughs about terrorizing people and idolizes a tyrannical monster.

    Bring in third world people and make them paper Americans, what could go wrong?

  58. Well the queen was having to deal with black criminality, so I’m ready to give her the benefit of the doubt

  59. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    And yes, we are in the West only because of material need. We really wouldn’t be here otherwise. We don’t much like you either.
     
    Hate to break it to you, chum, but you are only in the West because we feel sorry for you. But on some level, you know that. It explains your dislike of your generous hosts.

    But what you think of us is irrelevant, because Somalis depend on the pity of those they 'don't much like.' You are literally incapable of feeding your own children. But a more confident and accomplished people would experience a feeling of gratitude.

    We feel sorry for you too. Your society lacks warmth and belonging, has no meaningful traditions, has fucked up relationships between the sexes, is massively unhappy with an absurd percentage of the population suffering from depression, lacks eudaimonia, is perverted, etc etc.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    You’re entitled to your opinion. If you hate it so much, why haven’t you left? You might want to jump before you’re pushed
    , @J.Ross
    Our women are whole, our piracy is digital, and we don't cure demonic possession by locking you in a room with a hyena.
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    I understand your defensiveness. It must be pretty embarrassing to be Somali. Again, it simply doesn't matter what you think about us. We do not care.

    We feel sorry for your women and children because your men cannot maintain a functional society and prefer to drive around on Toyota pickups stealing from anyone who tries to do any productive work. I get that it's humiliating, but honestly, Somalia is the way it is because of the people who live there. And Somalia might be the worst place in the world.

    You're welcome. No need to thank us.

    , @Moses
    The only thing worse for Gurney than living in an America populated by White racists would be leaving an America populated by White racists to live in a society of his own kind.

    There, I said it.
    , @Random Smartaleck
    The continuing importation of people like you is one of the reasons behind all of that.
  60. @AnotherDad

    Growing up in Somalia, Ilhan Omar’s bedtime stories were about Araweelo, a tiny queen who ruled over a kingdom where all women were leaders and all men were peasants.
     
    In other words--feminism.

    ~~

    I'm repetitive, but as with all the other minoritarian glop, this issue of patriarchy/matriarchy can be sorted out very easily by separation--simply letting people live in the society that they desire. Revealed preference. Then we can how the respective societies do in creating free and prosperous societies that people want to live in.

    Obviously I have my opinion about whether patriarchy or matriarchy will attract more followers and produce a better society. But as with national or racial or politically analogs a strong hint about the outcome is in how much of anathema separation--a free choice--is to "progressives"/minoritarians. Like the communists they can't stand people being allow to quit their project.

    They have to build walls to keep them in. We’d have to build walls to keep them out, if our rulers wanted them kept out.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    They have to build walls to keep them in. We’d have to build walls to keep them out, if our rulers wanted them kept out.
     
    Precisely.

    That's precisely what all this noise, hate and strife is about.

    Whatever pale stale males create, wherever they go--schools or country clubs, neighborhoods or nations--other people want in, want to get a piece and whine about being kept out.
  61. @MikeatMikedotMike
    OT sort of: Hundreds of negro teenagers terrorize downtown Chicago last night:

    http://www.cwbchicago.com/2019/04/cops-38-arrested-as-hundreds-of-teens.html

    Thanks for that, Mike. I didn’t see it in today’s Trib, if it was in today’s Trib. For those from elsewhere, Thursday was a beautiful spring day with temp in the 70s. One of the first decent days of the year. It appears to have become a tradition for hordes of youfs to terrorize North Michigan Ave, the toniest shopping street, on nice spring days. I do hope that they save some of this for our incoming mayoress.

  62. MAKE SOMALIA GREAT AGAIN.

  63. Criticizing this trend toward childishness seems bad because, as Mrs. Lovejoy would say, “Think of the children!” Childish fairytales about black queens can’t be criticized because our society’s highest moral value is boosting the self-esteem of black females, like Rep. Omar, even though they tend to have close to the highest self-esteem already.

    White books may be a waste of space in your local library, but the only section where POC authors can contribute is the kiddie reading nook — which white parents avoid like the plague anyway because it’s the best place for your kid to catch the plague.

  64. @J.Ross
    It does have to be noted, and I missed it if anybody else pointed this out, that Nicholas Awde at Hippocrene Books is pretty much holding up half the shop on his shoulders. His name appears on far more dictionaries and phrasebooks than the Somali one.

    …okay.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The one nice thing I can say about a Somali.
  65. @Gurney Halleck
    We feel sorry for you too. Your society lacks warmth and belonging, has no meaningful traditions, has fucked up relationships between the sexes, is massively unhappy with an absurd percentage of the population suffering from depression, lacks eudaimonia, is perverted, etc etc.

    You’re entitled to your opinion. If you hate it so much, why haven’t you left? You might want to jump before you’re pushed

    • Replies: @Gurney Halleck
    dupe
    , @Gurney Halleck
    Material need! Our people are very far behind, having only officially settled on a written script in the 1970s. But it still pains us to be away from our Motherland. Somalia is actually getting better these days and the diaspora has started to return!
  66. Also, Somali women are on average far more attractive than white women. Nothing makes me snicker more than when white dude bros go around being proud of how their women look. The Somali female average is more attractive than white female average. Also white women age like milk. Ilhan is 37!

    • Replies: @anonymous

    Ilhan is 37!
     
    That is surprising. She looks 57.
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    C'mon, as an old slave trader you know that one ugly white woman buys you every girl in a Somali village above the age of 8.
    , @J.Ross
    This is true because of diet and societal collapse, not nature; it's like saying that your buildings are taller than those found in mid-forties Dresden.
  67. @MBlanc46
    You’re entitled to your opinion. If you hate it so much, why haven’t you left? You might want to jump before you’re pushed

    dupe

  68. @MBlanc46
    You’re entitled to your opinion. If you hate it so much, why haven’t you left? You might want to jump before you’re pushed

    Material need! Our people are very far behind, having only officially settled on a written script in the 1970s. But it still pains us to be away from our Motherland. Somalia is actually getting better these days and the diaspora has started to return!

    • Replies: @Random Smartaleck

    Somalia is actually getting better these days and the diaspora has started to return!
     
    Thank God for that, and I mean it sincerely. I don't relish the thought of your people suffering, and the return of all of the diaspora will ultimately be best for both sides.
  69. @Gurney Halleck
    We feel sorry for you too. Your society lacks warmth and belonging, has no meaningful traditions, has fucked up relationships between the sexes, is massively unhappy with an absurd percentage of the population suffering from depression, lacks eudaimonia, is perverted, etc etc.

    Our women are whole, our piracy is digital, and we don’t cure demonic possession by locking you in a room with a hyena.

  70. @S. Anonyia
    This story actually makes Omar seem pretty cool.

    Any woman that’s into glamorous queens instead of “first female blablabla” or some woke celebrity is okay. She’s living by norms of her own culture which is totally alien to ours, but she clearly has a healthy sense of self, which is more than you can say for most American women.

    My obsession is Catherine the Great.

    One of the reasons women’s history seems so boring is because we still have the Victorian tendency to focus on “good” and “moral” women. Same reason that there aren’t many female villains or antiheroes in movies...weird confluence of Victorianism with dour modern day feminism.

    Men wouldn’t be interested in historical figures either if it were only about scientists and social reformers.

    This is true. All the women in the Flashman papers were either real or derived from a real person.

  71. @Dmitry
    I never have met any Somalis, so will not make this judgement - however, the general view on the internet, and probably not helped by their domination of the pirate industry, is that they have the lowest human capital of any immigrants, that any country can receive.

    On the other hand, Isak Dinesen, in "Out of Africa" (which I have enjoyed some reading chapters from, although not in the original English version yet), describes the Somali women as the noble and introverted, princesses of Africa. Today, the book's positive description of the Somali women, is somehow condemned for racism - but I would recommend this book a lot for its romantic descriptions of the Serengeti.

    https://www.amazon.com/Africa-Modern-Library-Nonfiction-Books/dp/0679600213/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=out+of+africa&qid=1555635422&s=gateway&sr=8-2

    The Human Capital Policy Wonkery is irrelevant..Somalians like the Chinese are not our racial kind…therefore keep them out of our America….

    • Agree: ben tillman
  72. Arawelo’s folkloric reputation appears to be mixed, at best. At least one historian in the Horn of Africa contends that Arawelo was actually a Jewish woman tyrant.

    She was a powerful and fearsome ruler who antagonised her male subjects by castrating them right after birth in an attempt to keep them from dethroning her. Dozen versions of the tale have been recorded from Somali oral tradition but the key elements are in sync, namely a formidable ruler and castrator despised generally by her male subjects.

    Legend dictates that she was ultimately killed by her grandson who escaped her campaign of emasculation after Caraweelo’s daughter interceded several times to delay the wicked process until he was of age.

    Somewhere in northern Somalia, a stone mound that represents her tomb became a place for both reverence and contempt.

    For centuries, Somali men that passed her resting place would shout obscenities and throw stones whilst Somali women, to show their respect for her memory, would tear off a small portion of their skirt or break a twig off the nearest bush and place it at her grave.

    http://www.waryapost.com/legendary-somali-queen-caraweelo-actually-ethiopian-jewish-queen/

  73. @The Wild Geese Howard
    I think the vibrant 49ers fan in this clip speaks for us all with regard to Queen Arawelo:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Sfs9h3bIDg

    "Who bitch this is?!"

    Indeed.

    The proud, proud rich white snobs of Minneapolis, Minnesota who elected her to Congress with 78% of the vote, and they couldn’t be happier with her performance. Those near you can’t wait to do likewise – ask them.

    The only cure is sure and unmistakable defeat at the hands of an inarguably superior alternative.

  74. You go, Omar! The Democrat Party has taken complete leave of its senses, and you illustrate that point better than any of us on the right ever could.

    Here’s wishing you great success in driving Mrs. Pelosi to a long stay at the sanatorium.

  75. @Lot
    “the lowest human capital of any immigrants”

    They have slightly higher IQs than Bantu Africans and Australian Aboriginals, but along with a little bit of Caucasoid Arab genes also absorbed the worst of Arab culture, primarily from the most dysfunctional of all the Arabs, the Yemanis.

    That settles it then. Do they vote en masse? Then put us down for 500,000 to start with.

  76. @MBlanc46
    They have to build walls to keep them in. We’d have to build walls to keep them out, if our rulers wanted them kept out.

    They have to build walls to keep them in. We’d have to build walls to keep them out, if our rulers wanted them kept out.

    Precisely.

    That’s precisely what all this noise, hate and strife is about.

    Whatever pale stale males create, wherever they go–schools or country clubs, neighborhoods or nations–other people want in, want to get a piece and whine about being kept out.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Eric Honecker was pretty stale, pale, and male.
  77. @Gurney Halleck
    We feel sorry for you too. Your society lacks warmth and belonging, has no meaningful traditions, has fucked up relationships between the sexes, is massively unhappy with an absurd percentage of the population suffering from depression, lacks eudaimonia, is perverted, etc etc.

    I understand your defensiveness. It must be pretty embarrassing to be Somali. Again, it simply doesn’t matter what you think about us. We do not care.

    We feel sorry for your women and children because your men cannot maintain a functional society and prefer to drive around on Toyota pickups stealing from anyone who tries to do any productive work. I get that it’s humiliating, but honestly, Somalia is the way it is because of the people who live there. And Somalia might be the worst place in the world.

    You’re welcome. No need to thank us.

    • Replies: @Gurney Halleck
    I'm not being defensive. I'm just returning the sneer.
  78. Whatever pale stale males create, wherever they go–schools or country clubs, neighborhoods or nations–other people want in, want to get a piece and whine about being kept out.

    White men could build a city on Mars and non-Whites would follow, whining to get in, then begin complaining about White men oppressing them.

    It’s all so tiresome.

    You’re right Dad, separation is best. Live and let live.

  79. @benjaminl
    Meanwhile, in Oak Park...

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/oak-park/news/ct-oak-julian-school-mural-tl-0418-story.html

    officials recently removed a mural from one of its middle schools after parents and students approached administrators, saying the mural did not “reflect or represent” the current diversity of the school and community.

    A letter sent to families from Julian Middle School Principal Todd Fitzgerald said the mural, which shows only white children and parents, was removed from the school’s commons on April 13
     

    So the crime ridden black ghetto has jumped the line separating Chicago from lovely Oak Park? Too bad it’s full of glorious 1900 houses. I understand the only safe route out of Chicago is northern not western or southern suburbs

  80. anonymous[814] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gurney Halleck
    Also, Somali women are on average far more attractive than white women. Nothing makes me snicker more than when white dude bros go around being proud of how their women look. The Somali female average is more attractive than white female average. Also white women age like milk. Ilhan is 37!

    Ilhan is 37!

    That is surprising. She looks 57.

    • Agree: Random Smartaleck
  81. @Gurney Halleck
    We feel sorry for you too. Your society lacks warmth and belonging, has no meaningful traditions, has fucked up relationships between the sexes, is massively unhappy with an absurd percentage of the population suffering from depression, lacks eudaimonia, is perverted, etc etc.

    The only thing worse for Gurney than living in an America populated by White racists would be leaving an America populated by White racists to live in a society of his own kind.

    There, I said it.

    • Replies: @Gurney Halleck
    Bro, I have genuine desires of returning to Somalia and plan to. It has improved incredibly and most of the violence is located in Mogadishu which is under-siege by terrorists. We would not have left if not for a stupid civil war, we like ourselves and our own kind. Somali diaspora communities are always tight-knit everywhere they go. Somalia is getting better and is going to keep getting better and the diaspora will return from the heathen places eating away at their souls, at their Somalinimo, as it were.
  82. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    I understand your defensiveness. It must be pretty embarrassing to be Somali. Again, it simply doesn't matter what you think about us. We do not care.

    We feel sorry for your women and children because your men cannot maintain a functional society and prefer to drive around on Toyota pickups stealing from anyone who tries to do any productive work. I get that it's humiliating, but honestly, Somalia is the way it is because of the people who live there. And Somalia might be the worst place in the world.

    You're welcome. No need to thank us.

    I’m not being defensive. I’m just returning the sneer.

  83. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "it accounted for nearly half of overall American population growth"

    Explain to me again why American population growth is desirable. I can find no reason, none whatsoever, why in a country (no longer a "nation", alas, thanks to mooching migrants) of 300-plus million people, we should have any growth at all -- especially if the growth comes substantially from hostile foreign bloodsuckers.

    And yes, I don't care one shekel about boomer pensions, or even boomer heads remaining attached to boomer necks.

    And yes, "Screeching Third World Ear Poison" is the band-name of the new collaboration between David Byrne and Thurston Moore.

    Explain to me again why American population growth is desirable.

    — Breaking up coherent national ethnys, making minorities feel more comfortable.
    — Settling ethnic scores.
    — More clients and more voters for the state party. (“Diversity is the health of the state”.)
    — Cheap labor for the cheap labor shills. Lower wages for business generally.
    — More toilet paper sales.
    — Endless virtue signalling opportunities for “good whites” who “value diversity”.
    — Rubbing deplorables’ noses in it.

    I can find no reason, none whatsoever, why in a country (no longer a “nation”, alas, thanks to mooching migrants) of 300-plus million people, we should have any growth at all — especially if the growth comes substantially from hostile foreign bloodsuckers.

    Stop making sense!

    • Replies: @Lurker
    I think there is a property element too. It's a benefit to property owners. Immigration boosts property values and rents. The beauty of it is that the material standard of the property can be allowed to decline while the rent goes up.
  84. @Bugg
    Quite a few supposed conservatives trot out this awful argument. Simply adding to GNP is not the same as per capita income nor quality of life. A less-crowded America with the people per capita making more income is going to be way better than adding lots of illegals even if they add to GNP as an absolute number. A town on Long Island filled with day worker Latino illegals in flophouses is not as nice a place as a less-crowded but prosperous town of middle class contractors, cops, teachers and nurses.

    Anyone know when or why GNP became GDP?

    “Anyone know when or why GNP became GDP?”

    I’ve wondered this too.

    My recollection of when was late 1980s.

    My recollection of why was that the official reason was something vague, opaque and circular, so the same kind of fake logic we get for immigration and global warming arguments, with likely the same dishonest selfishness lying beneath.

    The main difference between GNP and GDP is that GNP credits production abroad back to the home country, while GDP credits production to the country where the production occurs, irrespective of the ownership.

    I suppose GDP stats are easier to compile, since you don’t have to trace ownership back to its source, you can just take each domestic tax authority at face value on that jurisdiction’s activity.

    A more cynical take is that as globalism advanced and ownership became more and more concentrated, the Soros-type oligarchs preferred GDP as it made the increasingly embarrassing concentration of wealth less obvious.

    A Euro-leftie, IIRC, said that the GNP-to-GDP switch was a late stage colonialist move to trick ex-colonies into thinking they were producing more than they really were—or rather, it was apparent under GNP that the profits of what they produced were going elsewhere, but it was hidden under GDP. So maybe that’s a Marxist way of saying nearly the same thing as the previous paragraph.

  85. @Gurney Halleck
    We feel sorry for you too. Your society lacks warmth and belonging, has no meaningful traditions, has fucked up relationships between the sexes, is massively unhappy with an absurd percentage of the population suffering from depression, lacks eudaimonia, is perverted, etc etc.

    The continuing importation of people like you is one of the reasons behind all of that.

  86. @Gurney Halleck
    Also, Somali women are on average far more attractive than white women. Nothing makes me snicker more than when white dude bros go around being proud of how their women look. The Somali female average is more attractive than white female average. Also white women age like milk. Ilhan is 37!

    C’mon, as an old slave trader you know that one ugly white woman buys you every girl in a Somali village above the age of 8.

    • LOL: Cowboy
  87. @Moses
    The only thing worse for Gurney than living in an America populated by White racists would be leaving an America populated by White racists to live in a society of his own kind.

    There, I said it.

    Bro, I have genuine desires of returning to Somalia and plan to. It has improved incredibly and most of the violence is located in Mogadishu which is under-siege by terrorists. We would not have left if not for a stupid civil war, we like ourselves and our own kind. Somali diaspora communities are always tight-knit everywhere they go. Somalia is getting better and is going to keep getting better and the diaspora will return from the heathen places eating away at their souls, at their Somalinimo, as it were.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Somali diaspora communities are always tight-knit everywhere they go.
     
    Somali communities in Somalia, not so much.

    How will Somalia 'keep getting better' without remittances? You are telling yourself bedtime stories. Please tell me what Somalia has on offer for anyone else. The answer to that is, bodies for our refugee racket. Nothing else.
    , @Moses
    Bro, I think we agree it’s best for our respective peoples to live in separate countries.

    Godspeed to your desire to return to Somalia.

    Perhaps you might convince some of your brothers in MN of the goodness of returning too?

    Btw I sincerely wish you and your people well. In your own wonderful country.

    , @Change that Matters

    I have genuine desires of returning to Somalia and plan to
     
    Sure you do. We've all heard this before, but somehow you never leave.

    Besides, you ran away when things got tough. And your remittances are pitiable. You're a low status male. Why would anyone welcome you back?

    Somalia is getting better...
     
    With no help from you.

    the diaspora will return from the heathen places eating away at their souls
     
    What a foundation for a new Somalia; a diaspora who survived by begging and bending the knee, growing more bitter by the year because the place in which they've chosen to live eats away at their soul.

    Ilhan Omar has to go back, but she's at least ten times the man you are. Somalia could really use someone like her. You, not so much.
  88. These people are like the kid in the school yard who acts like a jerk and gets away with it because his big brother will smash anybody who fights back. Even better they don’t acknowledge the existence of their big brother and assume all the power is theirs alone.

  89. @Bugg
    Quite a few supposed conservatives trot out this awful argument. Simply adding to GNP is not the same as per capita income nor quality of life. A less-crowded America with the people per capita making more income is going to be way better than adding lots of illegals even if they add to GNP as an absolute number. A town on Long Island filled with day worker Latino illegals in flophouses is not as nice a place as a less-crowded but prosperous town of middle class contractors, cops, teachers and nurses.

    Anyone know when or why GNP became GDP?

    Anyone know when or why GNP became GDP?

    They’re two different things, so it’s not like “GNP became GDP”. Unless you mean, “When did the press mostly stop talking about GNP and instead start talking about GDP?” And then I’d say, oh, the mid-1980s.

    In the US, GNP and GDP are pretty close to equal, and over time they have like a 95% correlation. They’re significantly different for countries that have a large population of working immigrants or emigrants, like Mexico or Qatar, or alot of foreign-owned factories on their territory like Liberia. I’ll leave it to you to look up the definitions.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Time was still using GNP when I was exposed to GDP for the first time reading The Economist back when it was a great read in the UK in 1990. My guess would be the influence of the Economist/rise of globalism accounts for the change.
  90. @Gurney Halleck
    Material need! Our people are very far behind, having only officially settled on a written script in the 1970s. But it still pains us to be away from our Motherland. Somalia is actually getting better these days and the diaspora has started to return!

    Somalia is actually getting better these days and the diaspora has started to return!

    Thank God for that, and I mean it sincerely. I don’t relish the thought of your people suffering, and the return of all of the diaspora will ultimately be best for both sides.

  91. @trelane
    Importing Somolis as valid immigrants is only one merely feeble step above importing Papuans, Australoids or Khoi San, Andamanese or Sentinel islanders, the Roma, and the pygmy negritos of tropical Southeast Asia, the Yanomamo of the Amazon basin and the rare, possibly not-documentable and apochraphal inhabitants of the Kergolen islands. Diversity, taken to its logical extreme, knows no truth outside of itself.

    Those nationalities you write are not Islamic, so it would not import a potential base for Jihadi terrorism. Although it is true that Al-Shabaab at least does not seem to attack targets outside Africa, unlike Arab groups, and is mainly attacking only in Somalia and Kenya.

  92. @bucky
    As someone who was raised Christian, it was quite the shock seeing Black behavior which appeared to be completely the opposite of Christian ethics. Stuff like not bragging too much, being modest and discrete, being kind to others, and so on, blacks act completely opposite to that.

    It was pretty ironic seeing Nipsy Hussle's brother talking about how the guy never backed down. This is why he was shot. Because he never backed down and listened to the other guy. That's how black culture is. This is why black crime is so high.

    3 weeks after his death the LA Slimes still has daily articles on the front page of the California section about him. recently there was another brawl at another of the daily memorial events.

  93. It sounds like the Greek and Jewish tales of the Amazons and Queen of Sheba made their way to Somali

  94. @Gurney Halleck
    Also, Somali women are on average far more attractive than white women. Nothing makes me snicker more than when white dude bros go around being proud of how their women look. The Somali female average is more attractive than white female average. Also white women age like milk. Ilhan is 37!

    This is true because of diet and societal collapse, not nature; it’s like saying that your buildings are taller than those found in mid-forties Dresden.

  95. @Forbes
    The only growth anyone should care about is their standard of living, i.e. per capita GDP.

    The NYT is writing about growth for the sake of growth, whether total population or the absolute level of GDP. Adding unskilled, poorly educated, and non-English speaking immigrants lowers per capita GDP--our standard of living.

    The NYT is a propaganda rag with an agenda which isn't in America's best interests.

    ‘The NYT is writing about growth for the sake of growth…’

    No no, the NYT is writing about growth for the sake of rentiers.

  96. @AnotherDad

    They have to build walls to keep them in. We’d have to build walls to keep them out, if our rulers wanted them kept out.
     
    Precisely.

    That's precisely what all this noise, hate and strife is about.

    Whatever pale stale males create, wherever they go--schools or country clubs, neighborhoods or nations--other people want in, want to get a piece and whine about being kept out.

    Eric Honecker was pretty stale, pale, and male.

  97. @International Jew

    Anyone know when or why GNP became GDP?
     
    They're two different things, so it's not like "GNP became GDP". Unless you mean, "When did the press mostly stop talking about GNP and instead start talking about GDP?" And then I'd say, oh, the mid-1980s.

    In the US, GNP and GDP are pretty close to equal, and over time they have like a 95% correlation. They're significantly different for countries that have a large population of working immigrants or emigrants, like Mexico or Qatar, or alot of foreign-owned factories on their territory like Liberia. I'll leave it to you to look up the definitions.

    Time was still using GNP when I was exposed to GDP for the first time reading The Economist back when it was a great read in the UK in 1990. My guess would be the influence of the Economist/rise of globalism accounts for the change.

  98. @AnotherDad

    Explain to me again why American population growth is desirable.
     
    -- Breaking up coherent national ethnys, making minorities feel more comfortable.
    -- Settling ethnic scores.
    -- More clients and more voters for the state party. ("Diversity is the health of the state".)
    -- Cheap labor for the cheap labor shills. Lower wages for business generally.
    -- More toilet paper sales.
    -- Endless virtue signalling opportunities for "good whites" who "value diversity".
    -- Rubbing deplorables' noses in it.

    I can find no reason, none whatsoever, why in a country (no longer a “nation”, alas, thanks to mooching migrants) of 300-plus million people, we should have any growth at all — especially if the growth comes substantially from hostile foreign bloodsuckers.
     
    Stop making sense!

    I think there is a property element too. It’s a benefit to property owners. Immigration boosts property values and rents. The beauty of it is that the material standard of the property can be allowed to decline while the rent goes up.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    I think there is a property element too. It’s a benefit to property owners. Immigration boosts property values and rents.
     
    Only in the short run. In the long run, property values go to zero. And the property owner is dead, so the long run doesn't even matter.
  99. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "it accounted for nearly half of overall American population growth"

    Explain to me again why American population growth is desirable. I can find no reason, none whatsoever, why in a country (no longer a "nation", alas, thanks to mooching migrants) of 300-plus million people, we should have any growth at all -- especially if the growth comes substantially from hostile foreign bloodsuckers.

    And yes, I don't care one shekel about boomer pensions, or even boomer heads remaining attached to boomer necks.

    And yes, "Screeching Third World Ear Poison" is the band-name of the new collaboration between David Byrne and Thurston Moore.

    Explain to me again why American population growth is desirable. I can find no reason, none whatsoever, why in a country (no longer a “nation”, alas, thanks to mooching migrants) of 300-plus million people, we should have any growth at all — especially if the growth comes substantially from hostile foreign bloodsuckers.

    And yes, I don’t care one shekel about boomer pensions, or even boomer heads remaining attached to boomer necks.

    The fact that Americans are not having more children tells us that Americans do not want or need more Americans. The market has spoken.

  100. @Lurker
    I think there is a property element too. It's a benefit to property owners. Immigration boosts property values and rents. The beauty of it is that the material standard of the property can be allowed to decline while the rent goes up.

    I think there is a property element too. It’s a benefit to property owners. Immigration boosts property values and rents.

    Only in the short run. In the long run, property values go to zero. And the property owner is dead, so the long run doesn’t even matter.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    At least we’re finally rid of Keynes, so the long run has that going for it.
  101. @Bugg
    "...hanging men by their testicles" and " ...she saw women as natural peacekeepers" seem to be at odds.

    “’…hanging men by their testicles’ and ‘…she saw women as natural peacekeepers’ seem to be at odds.

    Not if the women took trophies and the anonymous editor of this entry misspelled “piece keepers”.

    Seriously, though, many women would not find those two statements at odds. I myself consider this a classic example of feminine logic and of why I could never be a feminist.

  102. @Bugg
    Quite a few supposed conservatives trot out this awful argument. Simply adding to GNP is not the same as per capita income nor quality of life. A less-crowded America with the people per capita making more income is going to be way better than adding lots of illegals even if they add to GNP as an absolute number. A town on Long Island filled with day worker Latino illegals in flophouses is not as nice a place as a less-crowded but prosperous town of middle class contractors, cops, teachers and nurses.

    Anyone know when or why GNP became GDP?

    Quite a few supposed conservatives trot out this awful argument. Simply adding to GNP is not the same as per capita income nor quality of life.

    Not actual conservatives, as they aren’t interested in conserving our people, culture, land–nation.

    Business idolaters. Really not even that. Real productive business doesn’t depend on immigration driven population growth.

    Some sort of weird, bean counting, GDP idolaters.

  103. @Gurney Halleck
    Bro, I have genuine desires of returning to Somalia and plan to. It has improved incredibly and most of the violence is located in Mogadishu which is under-siege by terrorists. We would not have left if not for a stupid civil war, we like ourselves and our own kind. Somali diaspora communities are always tight-knit everywhere they go. Somalia is getting better and is going to keep getting better and the diaspora will return from the heathen places eating away at their souls, at their Somalinimo, as it were.

    Somali diaspora communities are always tight-knit everywhere they go.

    Somali communities in Somalia, not so much.

    How will Somalia ‘keep getting better’ without remittances? You are telling yourself bedtime stories. Please tell me what Somalia has on offer for anyone else. The answer to that is, bodies for our refugee racket. Nothing else.

  104. @Gurney Halleck
    Bro, I have genuine desires of returning to Somalia and plan to. It has improved incredibly and most of the violence is located in Mogadishu which is under-siege by terrorists. We would not have left if not for a stupid civil war, we like ourselves and our own kind. Somali diaspora communities are always tight-knit everywhere they go. Somalia is getting better and is going to keep getting better and the diaspora will return from the heathen places eating away at their souls, at their Somalinimo, as it were.

    Bro, I think we agree it’s best for our respective peoples to live in separate countries.

    Godspeed to your desire to return to Somalia.

    Perhaps you might convince some of your brothers in MN of the goodness of returning too?

    Btw I sincerely wish you and your people well. In your own wonderful country.

  105. @Gurney Halleck
    Bro, I have genuine desires of returning to Somalia and plan to. It has improved incredibly and most of the violence is located in Mogadishu which is under-siege by terrorists. We would not have left if not for a stupid civil war, we like ourselves and our own kind. Somali diaspora communities are always tight-knit everywhere they go. Somalia is getting better and is going to keep getting better and the diaspora will return from the heathen places eating away at their souls, at their Somalinimo, as it were.

    I have genuine desires of returning to Somalia and plan to

    Sure you do. We’ve all heard this before, but somehow you never leave.

    Besides, you ran away when things got tough. And your remittances are pitiable. You’re a low status male. Why would anyone welcome you back?

    Somalia is getting better…

    With no help from you.

    the diaspora will return from the heathen places eating away at their souls

    What a foundation for a new Somalia; a diaspora who survived by begging and bending the knee, growing more bitter by the year because the place in which they’ve chosen to live eats away at their soul.

    Ilhan Omar has to go back, but she’s at least ten times the man you are. Somalia could really use someone like her. You, not so much.

    • Replies: @anon
    I call troll on this. This, uh, person, sounds like Tiny Duck with a spellchecker. There is no way a Somali could write that many posts in mostly standard English without tripping up. And the nonstandard expressions sound fake.
  106. @guest
    David Bowe cosplayed as right-wing at least, but Ferguson? He's a court historian who habitually speaks part of the Truth, nothing more.

    I still wonder, because Somali girls have to be among the least attractive on earth. Iman may have been extraterrestrial.

    Iman may have been extraterrestrial.

    Not my cup of tea. Though I did date a tall Jamaican girl with amazing legs. That only worked because I had a stocking fetish.

  107. @CCZ
    She be a massive intellect.

    From Ashleigh Shackelford: “For White People Who Want to Attend #BlackLivesMatter Protests”

    http://wearyourvoicemag.com/identities/race/white-people-blacklivesmatter-protests

    Nothing you have is yours. Let me be clear: Nothing you have is yours. Reparations are not donations, because we are not your charity, tax write off, or good deed for the day. You are living off of stolen resources, stolen land, exploited labor, appropriated culture and the murder of our people. Nothing you have is yours.

    You have to give us everything we need and more, because even if it means you go without — it doesn’t matter because that’s how we been living for 400+ years. Reparations will never be negotiable. So if you’re not willing to talk money, you are not here for #BlackLivesMatter as a movement or for us as individuals.

    We are marching, yelling, singing, physically and mentally exhausted because WHITE PEOPLE ARE KILLING US.

    I’m actually retraumatized by how comfortable white people are in not doing anything to change their violence. Black people are being murdered, violated and oppressed every day. We are literally in mourning every minute of our lives.

    Ask yourself if you’re willing to die for us and to die to dismantle this system. Are you willing to learn everything possible about antiblackness and its many forms so that you can dismantle it? Are you willing to give up everything you have to make sure Black people can survive, thrive and be safe? If you cannot answer yes...you serve no purpose. Your presence only triggers the black people that are frightened by you.
     

    This should be an editorial in the New York Times.

  108. @Ian Smith
    She trolls Jews and fantasizes about being a dominating Amazon Queen? I think I understand now why good right wing white guys like David Bowie and Niall Ferguson fell for Somali sirens!

    She trolls Jews and fantasizes about being a dominating Amazon Queen?

    Women of Dune!

  109. @benjaminl
    Meanwhile, in Oak Park...

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/oak-park/news/ct-oak-julian-school-mural-tl-0418-story.html

    officials recently removed a mural from one of its middle schools after parents and students approached administrators, saying the mural did not “reflect or represent” the current diversity of the school and community.

    A letter sent to families from Julian Middle School Principal Todd Fitzgerald said the mural, which shows only white children and parents, was removed from the school’s commons on April 13
     

    “Officials” do this, “Officials” do that.

    Who are those Officials and whose orders are they following.

    “Officials remove kebab from premises”

  110. This is amazing! My family, too, tells of a special place, an all-female planet called Amazonia, but instead of Queen Araweelo, it’s ruled by a wise and just Femputer, who deals with interloping men with the threat of Death By Snu-Snu!
    I can only think this has got to be an example of “synchronicity”, a concept named by Carl Jung, the famous songwriter for the Police. Weird.

  111. Like another tiny ruler, though Cesar Agustus actually existed, she depended on big burly men to carry out her orders.

  112. @ben tillman

    I think there is a property element too. It’s a benefit to property owners. Immigration boosts property values and rents.
     
    Only in the short run. In the long run, property values go to zero. And the property owner is dead, so the long run doesn't even matter.

    At least we’re finally rid of Keynes, so the long run has that going for it.

  113. @AnotherDad

    Growing up in Somalia, Ilhan Omar’s bedtime stories were about Araweelo, a tiny queen who ruled over a kingdom where all women were leaders and all men were peasants.
     
    In other words--feminism.

    ~~

    I'm repetitive, but as with all the other minoritarian glop, this issue of patriarchy/matriarchy can be sorted out very easily by separation--simply letting people live in the society that they desire. Revealed preference. Then we can how the respective societies do in creating free and prosperous societies that people want to live in.

    Obviously I have my opinion about whether patriarchy or matriarchy will attract more followers and produce a better society. But as with national or racial or politically analogs a strong hint about the outcome is in how much of anathema separation--a free choice--is to "progressives"/minoritarians. Like the communists they can't stand people being allow to quit their project.

     But as with national or racial or politically analogs a strong hint about the outcome is in how much of anathema separation–a free choice–is to “progressives”/minoritarians. Like the communists they can’t stand people being allow to quit their project.

    Brilliant summation, AnotherDad!

  114. @CCZ
    She be a massive intellect.

    From Ashleigh Shackelford: “For White People Who Want to Attend #BlackLivesMatter Protests”

    http://wearyourvoicemag.com/identities/race/white-people-blacklivesmatter-protests

    Nothing you have is yours. Let me be clear: Nothing you have is yours. Reparations are not donations, because we are not your charity, tax write off, or good deed for the day. You are living off of stolen resources, stolen land, exploited labor, appropriated culture and the murder of our people. Nothing you have is yours.

    You have to give us everything we need and more, because even if it means you go without — it doesn’t matter because that’s how we been living for 400+ years. Reparations will never be negotiable. So if you’re not willing to talk money, you are not here for #BlackLivesMatter as a movement or for us as individuals.

    We are marching, yelling, singing, physically and mentally exhausted because WHITE PEOPLE ARE KILLING US.

    I’m actually retraumatized by how comfortable white people are in not doing anything to change their violence. Black people are being murdered, violated and oppressed every day. We are literally in mourning every minute of our lives.

    Ask yourself if you’re willing to die for us and to die to dismantle this system. Are you willing to learn everything possible about antiblackness and its many forms so that you can dismantle it? Are you willing to give up everything you have to make sure Black people can survive, thrive and be safe? If you cannot answer yes...you serve no purpose. Your presence only triggers the black people that are frightened by you.
     

    Thanks, CCZ. Ashleigh Shackelford is awesome, every N0t-Yet-Woke American should get to know this icon of the #BlackLivesMatter movement.

    Beyonce got the tongue bath last night on TV (Entertainment Tonight), but Ashleigh is just as beautiful in her own way. And if Beyonce soft-pedals her message via indistinct lyrics, Ashleigh delivers with clarity.

    “We hate you: yesterday, today, and tomorrow. We wish the worst on you and yours.”

    People should know what they’re signing up for.

    For White People Who Want to Attend #BlackLivesMatter Protests
    by Ashleigh Shackleford, a queer, nonbinary Black fat femme writer, artist, and cultural producer.
    July 11, 2016
    Wear Your Voice Magazine, Intersectional Feminist Media

    In the last two years that I’ve organized around antiblack violence and within the #BlackLivesMatter movement, I’ve witnessed white people showing up more and more to protests and rallies…

    Nothing you [white people] have is yours. Let me be clear: Nothing you have is yours. Reparations are not donations, because we are not your charity, tax write off, or good deed for the day. You are living off of stolen resources, stolen land, exploited labor, appropriated culture and the murder of our people. Nothing you have is yours.

    You have to give us everything we need and more, because even if it means you go without — it doesn’t matter because that’s how we been living for 400+ years. Reparations will never be negotiable…

    Hey, Minnesota Public Radio listeners, faculty and students of Reed College and Middlebury College — are you curious about what your friends and allies think of you?

    Just ask!

    • Replies: @Corn
    “by Ashleigh Shackleford, a queer, nonbinary Black fat femme writer”

    Non-binary but femme?? WTF?
  115. @Gurney Halleck
    ...okay.

    The one nice thing I can say about a Somali.

  116. @guest
    David Bowe cosplayed as right-wing at least, but Ferguson? He's a court historian who habitually speaks part of the Truth, nothing more.

    I still wonder, because Somali girls have to be among the least attractive on earth. Iman may have been extraterrestrial.

    Ferguson would be a squishy liberal by Unz commenter standards, but the fact that he is pro-Western civilization and says nice things about the British Empire sends leftists into point and sputter mode.

  117. Gee, it’s almost like we are just animals and despite our sophisticated veneer, it is all about power and dominance.

  118. @J.Ross
    >in the west only because of material need
    Ballpark what are we talking here? Do you take checks?

    If he doesn’t, I can certainly bear that burden for him.

    Ballpark how much you can afford. Transferwise; get with the times, old man.

  119. @ic1000
    Thanks, CCZ. Ashleigh Shackelford is awesome, every N0t-Yet-Woke American should get to know this icon of the #BlackLivesMatter movement.

    Beyonce got the tongue bath last night on TV (Entertainment Tonight), but Ashleigh is just as beautiful in her own way. And if Beyonce soft-pedals her message via indistinct lyrics, Ashleigh delivers with clarity.

    "We hate you: yesterday, today, and tomorrow. We wish the worst on you and yours."

    People should know what they're signing up for.


    For White People Who Want to Attend #BlackLivesMatter Protests
    by Ashleigh Shackleford, a queer, nonbinary Black fat femme writer, artist, and cultural producer.
    July 11, 2016
    Wear Your Voice Magazine, Intersectional Feminist Media

    In the last two years that I’ve organized around antiblack violence and within the #BlackLivesMatter movement, I’ve witnessed white people showing up more and more to protests and rallies...

    Nothing you [white people] have is yours. Let me be clear: Nothing you have is yours. Reparations are not donations, because we are not your charity, tax write off, or good deed for the day. You are living off of stolen resources, stolen land, exploited labor, appropriated culture and the murder of our people. Nothing you have is yours. ...

    You have to give us everything we need and more, because even if it means you go without — it doesn’t matter because that’s how we been living for 400+ years. Reparations will never be negotiable...
     

    Hey, Minnesota Public Radio listeners, faculty and students of Reed College and Middlebury College -- are you curious about what your friends and allies think of you?

    Just ask!

    “by Ashleigh Shackleford, a queer, nonbinary Black fat femme writer”

    Non-binary but femme?? WTF?

  120. @Gurney Halleck
    I'm Somali.

    I'm not gonna lie: Despite all our faults, Somalis REALLY like themselves. We deeply love our language, our Somalinimo, and our deen (Islam) and the simple experience of being Somali. We're ethnocentric to a fault but we're also good warriors and when the Portuguese tried to enslave us we killed their leader.

    I believe in Somaliweyn (greater Somalia). For some reason England/Italy decided to give away some 40% of historical Somali lands to Kenya and Ethiopia, lands that are still overwhelmingly occupied by Somalis. You can bet there are separatist movements in these regions, one of which has a twitter page:

    https://twitter.com/onlfofficial?lang=en

    And yes, we are in the West only because of material need. We really wouldn't be here otherwise. We don't much like you either.

    I’m Somali.

    And tiny duck is a duck.

    • LOL: TWS
  121. @The Wild Geese Howard

    I never have met any Somalis, so will not make this judgement – however, the general view on the internet, and probably not helped by their domination of the pirate industry, is that they have the lowest human capital of any immigrants, that any country can receive.
     
    I know a guy who has worked all over the Middle East and Africa.

    He strongly agrees with the general view of Somalis.

    I can tell you from experience that generally Ethiopians loathe / despise / hate Somalis, their next-door neighbors. Also, they have their own domestic Somalis (from the Ogadeen), and their view of them is essentially the same.

    The — to me — surprising thing to find out was that it’s not only Ethiopian Christians who hold this low view of Somalis, but that the Ethiopian non-Somali Muslims to all intents and purposes share it. Perhaps they are negligibly less passionate about it, that’s all that can be said for distinction.

    As to non-Somali Kenyans’ opinions: Don’t even ask, after all the ash-Shabaab terror they have been exposed to.

  122. 120 comments in, and still no mention of the true Queen Bee of African Wymynx – Ranavalona I of Madagadascar? who would have totally destroyed this nobody Arawelo in a cage match?

  123. @Gurney Halleck
    I'm Somali.

    I'm not gonna lie: Despite all our faults, Somalis REALLY like themselves. We deeply love our language, our Somalinimo, and our deen (Islam) and the simple experience of being Somali. We're ethnocentric to a fault but we're also good warriors and when the Portuguese tried to enslave us we killed their leader.

    I believe in Somaliweyn (greater Somalia). For some reason England/Italy decided to give away some 40% of historical Somali lands to Kenya and Ethiopia, lands that are still overwhelmingly occupied by Somalis. You can bet there are separatist movements in these regions, one of which has a twitter page:

    https://twitter.com/onlfofficial?lang=en

    And yes, we are in the West only because of material need. We really wouldn't be here otherwise. We don't much like you either.

    Any Somali immigrant to America who’s been here for a few years & who’s capable of reading Dune would be teaching at Harvard or Yale, by now, and wouldn’t have a moment to spare for commenting on marginal websites like this one.

    • Replies: @TWS
    You don't think this is another larper? I mean whatever tiny duck is, he isn't some of it, it's simply contradictory
  124. @Vinteuil
    Any Somali immigrant to America who's been here for a few years & who's capable of reading Dune would be teaching at Harvard or Yale, by now, and wouldn't have a moment to spare for commenting on marginal websites like this one.

    You don’t think this is another larper? I mean whatever tiny duck is, he isn’t some of it, it’s simply contradictory

  125. @Change that Matters

    I have genuine desires of returning to Somalia and plan to
     
    Sure you do. We've all heard this before, but somehow you never leave.

    Besides, you ran away when things got tough. And your remittances are pitiable. You're a low status male. Why would anyone welcome you back?

    Somalia is getting better...
     
    With no help from you.

    the diaspora will return from the heathen places eating away at their souls
     
    What a foundation for a new Somalia; a diaspora who survived by begging and bending the knee, growing more bitter by the year because the place in which they've chosen to live eats away at their soul.

    Ilhan Omar has to go back, but she's at least ten times the man you are. Somalia could really use someone like her. You, not so much.

    I call troll on this. This, uh, person, sounds like Tiny Duck with a spellchecker. There is no way a Somali could write that many posts in mostly standard English without tripping up. And the nonstandard expressions sound fake.

  126. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    And yes, we are in the West only because of material need. We really wouldn’t be here otherwise. We don’t much like you either.
     
    Hate to break it to you, chum, but you are only in the West because we feel sorry for you. But on some level, you know that. It explains your dislike of your generous hosts.

    But what you think of us is irrelevant, because Somalis depend on the pity of those they 'don't much like.' You are literally incapable of feeding your own children. But a more confident and accomplished people would experience a feeling of gratitude.

    But what you think of us is irrelevant, because Somalis depend on the pity of those they ‘don’t much like.’ You are literally incapable of feeding your own children. But a more confident and accomplished people would experience a feeling of gratitude.

    What you’re missing is the fact that megalomania is way over-represented among blacks and Muslims, and Somalis are both.

  127. @J.Ross
    Weren't Irish "kings" something more like jarls? Like, there were four hundred of them at once?

    Yes, J. Ross; this is so of early Ireland, although there was sometimes an acknowledged Árd rí Éireann (“High King of Ireland”), which rôle came to be more consistently acknowledged by around A.D. 950. More people would know this stuff about the rudimentary history of Europe, the antecedent to America, but for the need to now neglect it so that there is time to study the likes of fictional folk-tales about Araweelo and her testicle-hangings, but it’s a matter of priorities, of course. You have to wonder, though, somewhere in Somalia is there a classroom full of students studying Paul Bunyan and Pecos Bill instead of the Macrobian kings? (Okay, okay; probably not since the threshold question “Somewhere in Somalia is there a classroom full of students?” must almost certainly be answered in the negative….)

    (No, Iffen, smart-ass, each in one of myriad petty kingdoms.)

  128. @The Alarmist

    "... new census data shows that international migration is keeping population growth above water in much of the country."
     
    You say that like it's a good thing. Real GDP has been stagnant; that means per capita real GDP is decreasing. Immigration is making most Americans poorer.

    I’ve long ago learned there are apparently about ten numerate people on the planet, including John Derbyshire and me, that only allows for eight more. The number for persons both numerate and capable of comprehending the concept of overpopulation, or even that underlying relation between finite resources combined with growing consumption, is, maybe, I think, five. So, with you and IC1000 joining myself and John Derbyshire, that leaves one other unaccounted for.

    Welcome to the club; we’re a small lot, and we meet at Cassandra’s Place….

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