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  1. Hurr Durr says:

    I don’t know about the others, but, in the rich world, it correlates well with social mobility. The axis of Social Darwinism, US, UK, Italy, that scores as low as than the Balkans.

  2. Jehu says:

    If you return a wallet without any money in it, there’s a decent chance there WAS money on it and someone else took it. Accordingly, you might decide not to return the wallet because you don’t want to be accused of taking the money. Whereas if there IS money in it, its unlikely that someone took some of the money but not all, and you’re unlikely to see any negative blowback from the person you return in to.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Simply Simon
  3. Anonymous[320] • Disclaimer says:

    Immigration policy: “Nope.”
    If immigration actually helped a modern developed economy, America’s would already have become – permanently – greatest in all of history, a century ago.

  4. In Putin’s Russia, money returns . . . you!

  5. Never fear Steve, Kiko Reed will find a way to spin this into an article about how Mexican honesty and integrity are unparalleled.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  6. Abe says:

    In China finding wallet on street mean early start to New Year and extra tiger penis supplements for many months to bring joy and luck to happy family.

    • LOL: HammerJack
  7. Why isn’t the USA at the bottom of that list, where it belongs?

    Clearly we still have work to do in the Diversity Department…

    • Replies: @Olorin
  8. Anon[108] • Disclaimer says:

    As a multiple wallet loser in Japan, I can tell you that had that country been included, it would be high in the 1st quartile. Besides the honesty of the culture and the orderliness of the society, the fact that there are police boxes everywhere makes it easy to do the right thing. Also, you can just give it to a train station attendant or a store clerk and have confidence that it won’t go missing a second time. Try that in the DC Metro.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Hans Gygax
  9. Abe says:

    It’s interesting that Serbia ranks so high. Hitler basically lost WWII by wasting precious weeks to invade Serbia in 1941. There was no reason for this other than Hitler’s rabid hatred of Serbs, which exceeded his hatred of Russians and almost approached his hatred of Jews. Reading histories of WWI how Serbs were generally despised across Europe as bandits and gangsters and trash even among the eventual Allied Powers so there was little sympathy for them in their confrontation with th Austro-Hungarians in August of 1914. Hard to reconstruct the real reasons for this given the fog of time…

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @HA
  10. lol just noticed mexicans were the only people less likely to return the wallet if there was money in it.

    holy wow, can the US pick immigrants.

    • LOL: Escher
  11. Lot says:

    You would spread such transparent Swiss propaganda +++Mr. Sailer.+++

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @M_Young
    , @Reg Cæsar
  12. Anon[108] • Disclaimer says:

    China? Why so low?

    When you think about it, doing a real study like this, comparable across cultures, would be extremely expensive and difficult. Making up convincing wallets with ID and cash (of equivalent value) choosing locations that are comparable, surveiling the wallets, following people to see what they do. Doing a sufficient number for statistical accuracy. Making sure that far-flung researchers are doing what they are supposed to be doing (and recruiting them in the first place).

    Actually … Let me be the first to call BS on this. Show me the source and the research protocol.

    • Disagree: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @James Braxton
  13. Anon[183] • Disclaimer says:

    Notice that, in most countries, people were *more* likely to return the wallet when it had money in it. (!)

    A Chinese friend told me that the Chinese are afraid to help someone on the street who seems to need help, on the theory that helping might be construed as an admission of guilt.

    That theory seems more plausible as to wallets than as to physical injuries — if you find a wallet with no money in it, you run the risk of returning it only to be asked “where did the money go?”

    If you find a wallet with money in it, odds are no money has been taken from it, which avoids awkward questions when you return it.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
  14. Hail says: • Website

    Ranked by “Return wallet with money in it”

    80%+ countries
    1. Denmark
    2. Sweden
    3. New Zealand

    70-80% countries
    4. Switzerland
    5. Norway
    6. Czech Republic
    7. Netherlands
    8. Australia

    60-70% countries
    9. Poland
    10. Croatia
    11. Germany
    12. Canada
    13. Romania
    14. United Kingdom
    15. Russia

    [comment: I suspect if White Americans of Christian origin were analyzed alone, we would be in the Top 10, or so, as well]

    […]

    <25% countries
    – Malaysia
    – Morocco
    – Ghana
    – China
    – Kazakhstan
    – Kenya
    – Mexico
    – Peru [lowest, about 12%]

    _____________

    We are the people who produce high-trust commons in a homogeneous society, which makes all of us incredibly wealthy as a group. There’s no comparison.” — Curt Doolittle

  15. songbird says:

    India and South Africa higher than China? Surprising.

    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
  16. I inadvertently left hundreds of dollars worth of Finnmarks loose on a condiment shelf in a Helsinki fast food place, while I went back to the counter for something. It was mid-afternoon, and the place was full of Finnish teenagers.

    Every single note was there when I returned.

  17. Ibound1 says:

    I’m sure this study was perfectly “scientifically” done with all the right controls in place – down to the color of the wallet and the income of the finder.

    Measuring this is exactly like measuring humidity.

    • Replies: @Jon
  18. Anon000 says:

    Japan and Korea are conspicuously absent. What’s up with that?? I’m pretty sure they would rank at or near the top of this list. Hard to believe they descended from the Han Chinese. Goes to show you how a little genetic refinement can go a long way.

    • Replies: @anon
  19. In Japan, it is a given that any item lost in a public place will very likely end up in one of the lost and found centers of the municipality. The probability of retrieving a lost item is very high.

    IIRC, Tokyo Station’s lost and found department had more than 50 full time employees. The article below claims that tens of millions of dollars in lost money are returned to the Tokyo police annually.

    https://livejapan.com/en/in-tokyo/in-pref-tokyo/in-ueno/article-a0002489/

    • Replies: @無名
  20. Anon[397] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    Wallets don’t have the same status in China as they do in the West and many other places, where they’re associated with personal sovereignty and independence and are a basic necessity to participate in society. Keeping a stranger’s wallet is like violating them personally or breaking into their house. In China, 80% to 90% of the population was rural just a few decades ago, and none of them had wallets. And today, people in China’s cities don’t use wallets.

    https://money.cnn.com/2016/04/08/technology/beijing-mobile-payments-no-wallet/

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Anon
    , @Don't Look at Me
  21. OT: all the pretty perps on the smoking gun web site are white girls.

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/general/pretty-perps

  22. 無名 says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Okay now plot it against national TFR.

  23. Probably people in more affluent countries have easier access to e-mail for non business related activities. Also, having lived in a third-world country for some years, residential addresses can be much harder to find, people have less access to personal transportation, and postal services are less used and more erratic.

    Additionally the value of the small amount of money increases in the poorer countries.A person working in (i) banks, (ii) theaters, museums, or other cultural establishments, (iii) post offices, (iv) hotels, and (v) police stations, courts of law, or other public offices in the developed world would be unlikely to potentially put their employment at risk for the sake of $13.45c.

    In addition workers in hotels and the other offices listed in the developed world would very likely existing written policies and procedures in place for handling misplaced customer property such as wallets. In banks and post offices, for example, mishandling of customer cash would likely be a firing offense, and in hotels it would be pretty bad for business.

    Such policies probably do exist in third world countries, but in my experience such countries have a much more casual attitude to the workplace and family and neighborhood ties make it much less likely that someone would be fired from their sinecure over such a minor matter.

    The experimenters should have tried leaving a credit card or driver license in the wallets for more interesting results (but I can see why they did not.)

    Anyway, not many people want to emigrate to the US from the top 8 countries, two of which are themselves immigrant countries, and three of which are in Scandinavia, and all (I think) of the top 15 countries have an affordable national health plan, so again less need to emigrate.

  24. Anon[141] • Disclaimer says:

    Never mind …

    The study seems to be legit.

    But note that this is not a study of the honesty of the wallet finding citizenry, but rather the honesty of lost-and-found handling by institutions. This is perhaps more damning to low-ranking countries. Smart-fraction theory posits that the reason low-IQ countries don’t function well is that the middle IQ people you need to staff out institutions are too few, and you end up with too many low-IQ (correlating with high corruption) people in positions of trust.

    We visited 355 cities in 40 countries and turned in a total of 17,303 wallets. We typically targeted the five to eight largest cities in a country, with roughly 400 observations per country. Wallets were returned to one of five societal institutions: (i) banks, (ii) theaters, museums, or other cultural establishments, (iii) post offices, (iv) hotels, and (v) police stations, courts of law, or other public offices. These institutions serve as useful benchmarks because they are common across countries and typically have a public reception area where we could perform the drop-offs.

    Our wallets were transparent business card cases, which we used to ensure that recipients could visually inspect without having to physically open the wallet (fig. S1). Our key independent variable was whether the wallet contained money, which we randomly varied to hold either no money or US $13.45 (“NoMoney” and “Money” conditions, respectively). We used local currencies, and to ensure comparability across countries, we adjusted the amount according to each country’s purchasing power. Each wallet also contained three identical business cards, a grocery list, and a key. The business cards displayed the owner’s name and email address, and we used fictitious but commonplace male names for each country. Both the grocery list and business cards were written in the country’s local language to signal that the owner was a local resident.

    After walking into the building, one of our research assistants (from a pool of eleven male and two female assistants) approached an employee at the counter and said, “Hi, I found this [pointing to the wallet] on the street around the corner.” The wallet was then placed on the counter and pushed over to the employee. “Somebody must have lost it. I’m in a hurry and have to go. Can you please take care of it?” The research assistant then left the building without leaving contact details or asking for a receipt. Our key outcome measure was whether recipients contacted the owner to return the wallet. We created unique email addresses for every wallet and recorded emails that were sent within 100 days of the initial drop-off. Complete methods and results, including additional robustness checks such as testing for experimenter effects, can be found in the supplementary materials.

  25. So i found a wallet stuffed with cash…all 20s…so many it wouldnt close…right before christmas…i was pretty much broke….5 kids….between two cars not a soul in the world would have known…sadly when i opened it hoping for no id an old guys military id was staring at me….only the fear of a just christian God stopped me from taking that wallet

    • Replies: @Danindc
  26. I was once involved in a situation where an employee I supervised had failed to arrive at work for three or more days, and had not called. I went to her house and heard barking dogs and saw cars on the driveway, so looked through the window to find that her husband had shot her and then himself, and that they had both been dead for days. (I called the police.)

    The padlock on her locker at work was cut off so that someone else could use it, and someone gave me a plastic bag that contained some plastic containers and silverware, and I threw it in a corner of my office. A few months later I was cleaning up, and was about to throw the bag away when I noticed that it was a bit heavier than expected and looked inside one of the containers that was stuffed with paper napkins.

    Inside, wrapped up, I found several gold coins and medallions with price tags still attached, indicating that they had a value of a few thousand dollars. I got in touch with her daughter and arranged for her to pick up the items. In speaking to the daughter, she told me that the murderous husband believed that his wife was having an affair with me. (Not true, not even remotely true, not even possible.)

    I rather wish I had kept the gold coins.

    Although this story is a little off topic, I do wonder whether certain cultures are more fearful of complications arising out of efforts to return lost items, for example a women encountering the wife of the man who lost his wallet.

    • Replies: @Romanian
  27. Hail says: • Website
    @Anon

    Finding money that belongs to someone else:

    – (a) choose to return it to the owner, or
    – (b) choose to keep it

    This is surely a human universal (except for Khoisan hunter-gatherers, or Andaman Islanders). Not buying a pro-PRC asterisk on this.

    • Replies: @Anon
  28. Finally something Mexico can hang it its Mexican exceptionalism hat on. Somebody let the manana forever guy know.

  29. @Jonathan Mason

    Sounds like an awesome reason for an immigration moratorium then. Can we count on your support?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  30. I have almost never found a lost wallet but have frequently discovered that the person in line before me at a cash register has left their keys behind. In actuality, I believe people leave their wallets behind accidentally less often than their keys or their children.

  31. Daniel H says:

    Data point: An old friend of mine spent a year living in Franco Spain in the mid sixties. He lost his wallet one day, with lots of money in it, and being from New York City he figured, “well that’s it. Gone.” That evening he got a knock on his door. A policeman was standing there with his wallet, every dollar accounted for. Nice. Somebody on the street found it and turned it in to the police. I asked him how did the police find him. His response. At that time, foreigners living in Spain actually had to register their residence with the police. Imagine that.

    There were some good things going on in Franco era Spain. Future generations of Spaniards will eventually learn and come to appreciate Franco Spain.

    • Replies: @donut
    , @Simply Simon
  32. @Hail

    <25% countries
    – Malaysia
    – Morocco
    – Kazakhstan

    B-b-b-b-but everyone keeps telling me how morally superior the Musloids are to us filthy infidels!

  33. Anon[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Chinese did not even have ID cards, and weren’t required to have them, until the 90s. Chinese generally don’t use credit cards. And now urban Chinese use mobile payments. They went from not using wallets to using smartphones for everything in about 20 years. By contrast, wallets are a sacrosanct personal article in the West and have been for a long time.

  34. Escher says:

    How come Japan, Taiwan and Korea are missing?

  35. vinny says:

    OT but if Trump goes to war with Iran (esp over a drone that dindu nuffin), he’s dead to me. Bring on Bernie and socialism and a billion Congolese, but I’m absolutely done being a party to our bullying forever war.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    , @Dr Van Nostrand
  36. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    One general problem with immigration, that this chart illustrates, is that the most desirable people tend to live in the best places, and so have less incentive to come here.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  37. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    A wallet isn’t equivalent to the monetary value of the cash it contains. It has your license, credit cards, family photos, etc. People feel especially violated when their wallets are lost or stolen.

    I don’t think the status of wallets is a universal, just like eating dogs or beef isn’t. You’re seriously socially handicapped without your wallet and the things it typically contains. Few things are more aggravating than losing your wallet.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  38. @Anon

    ‘But note that this is not a study of the honesty of the wallet finding citizenry, but rather the honesty of lost-and-found handling by institutions…’

    That, to put it mildly, makes a difference.

    For example, Mexican public employees are traditionally extremely corrupt. No one seems to expect anything else. So of course they would rank very low…but would the same apply to private citizens, given the opportunity to return the wallet?

    It seems to me that the answer might be different.

  39. Whiskey says: • Website
    @vinny

    Give War a chance. What has peace gotten us? Gay Pride minth, the Whitey tax, and mass third world immigration.

    A real war, years long with industrial mobilization means closed border s, no free trade, and White men needed.

    Peace is over. If you want it

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
  40. @Sam Haysom

    Sounds like an awesome reason for an immigration moratorium then. Can we count on your support?

    I am all in favor of comprehensive reform of the immigration system, or at least that the number of immigrants received each year should be determined by the US govt. and the needs of the country for workers in various categories where not enough Americans can be found, and not by how many people manage to present themselves at the border to claim asyslum.

    The US has nobody to blame but itself for many of the anomalies. For example, why is it that Haiti still has most favored nation status, however Haitians are not allowed to get on a plane to the US in PaP, but if they travel to Brazil and then hitch hike to the border at San Diego, they can come right on in and get a pad provided by Catholic Charities.

    This really makes no sense.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
  41. Puremania says:

    Confucius taught that not reporting it when your father stole a sheep is the way of the upright citizen.

  42. donut says:
    @Daniel H

    A guy I was in the Navy with told me an anecdote about Spain in Franco’s time . A couple he knew had a young daughter . The bus from school would drop her off every day at the same time at the end of the block and she would walk home from there . One day no one was going to be home and her parents told her to go home with a friend until they returned . When the parents returned before they could get their daughter a guy from the Guardia Civil came to the home to ask them about their daughter , he had noticed she didn’t get off the bus earlier .

  43. Anonymous[332] • Disclaimer says:

    Run this study each year and increase Immigration quotas for the countries scores higher than us and lower them for those who do worse than us.

  44. M_Young says:

    BTW this simplifies the study somewhat. From the NRP report, there was a ‘no money’ wallet, a ‘bit of money’ wallet ~13 US dollars, and a lot of money wallet ~94 dollars. Almost universally the ‘lot of money’ wallet was returned more often than the ‘bit of money’ wallet. Which is actually kind of hopeful.

  45. Jon says:
    @Ibound1

    Measuring this is exactly like measuring humidity.

    Is it hard to measure humidity? Honest question, not being snarky – this is the first I’ve ever heard anyone use ‘measuring humidity’ as a metaphor for an impossibly difficult task.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
    , @Reg Cæsar
  46. @Jehu

    Hmm… Most of us mere mortals don’t think that hard about doing the right thing, we just do it.

    I found a wallet on the ground next to a gas pump. It had money in it. I looked up the guy and called him. He came over, grateful, and offered me a twenty from the wallet. I declined. I’m no angel, but according to the chart above, I must be better than more than forty percent of the people in America…

    …And better than nearly eighty percent of the Chinese people, who, according to some writers on this site, are better than me.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @gabriel alberton
  47. Ibound1 says:
    @Jon

    I was being sarcastic. Sorry. I should have said temperature, barometric pressure, whatever
    Complete sarcasm. Bad choice

    This kind of “science” is nonsense.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  48. anon[341] • Disclaimer says:

    This kind of “science” is nonsense.

    yeah, good one chinaman.

  49. 216 says:

    There could be food shortages within days.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/undocumented-deportation-agriculture-dairy-meat-iowa-wisconsin.html

    It gets revealed more and more how worthless the farmers are. We are being rendered into a minority in our homeland, thanks to their greed.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    , @AnotherDad
  50. @Lot

    The Swiss Custom of Voting While Shitfaced and Heavily Armed

    Historians say that back then, only men willing to go to battle to defend their community were allowed to vote — a right they for centuries have demonstrated by carrying a side-arm into the voting ring.

    “This is the only place in the world, I think, where a weapon serves as voter ID,” says Rudolf Keller, the second secretary in the Appenzell cantonal government, showing off his own sword, which has his name engraved in the glistening steel.

    https://www.thelocal.ch/20130524/appenzell-practices-democracy-in-its-purest-form

  51. Wilkey says:

    I’ve returned a half-dozen or so wallets in my time. Even returned a lost purse once, to a black neighbor who had left it on the roof of her car and driven away.

    The only time I *didn’t* return a wallet it was because it had a Mexican driver’s license in it and one of those matricula consular cards the Mexican government hands out to encourage its citizens to invade the US. I threw the wallet *and* the money in it (about $20-40) away, just to prove to myself I wasn’t doing it for the money.

    • Replies: @donut
    , @Chrisnonymous
  52. @Jon

    Is it hard to measure humidity?

    “Is it hard?” suggests measuring tumidity.

    http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/brainiac/2009/09/rip_william_saf.html

  53. Chinaman immigrate not allow. Stay hometown bubble tea hotpot.

  54. @Hurr Durr

    Be interested to see an “ethnic” breakdown in the US, UK, and Italy.

    • Replies: @Hurr Durr
  55. Ed says:

    I guess I have to read the report but I feel like in some countries, folks wouldn’t have any idea whom to return the wallet to. The police are just as likely to pilfer the contents.

    • Replies: @GermanReader2
  56. Cortes says:

    I couldn’t find my car keys when packing up after a holiday in Spain and after carefully unpacking and checking through the luggage of all of us went to the security office at the Airport in Alicante where I told them which flight we’d arrived on and they brought a box of objects including sets of keys and several bulging wallets for my inspection. When I say bulging wallets I mean crammed with higher value notes in Sterling. So well done to the flight crews. The place was stacked with such boxes – Alicante being one of the busiest European beach holiday airports.

    Got the keys at the airport in Scotland.

  57. Judge blocks ICE from making courthouse arrests in Massachusetts

    Federal District Judge Indira Talwani, an Obama appointee, on Thursday blocked the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) from making arrests in and near courthouses in the state.

    Sanctuary Zones, within Sanctuary Cities, within Sanctuary States, within the Sanctuary Country.

    • Replies: @Corn
  58. Anyone who has lost a wallet or had one stolen knows that the money is one of the lesser items of concern for most people; things like drivers’ licences are the worst loss for the shear time and effort it takes to replace them, followed by personal photos (for those who might still carry them) and credit cards.

    • Agree: jim jones
  59. Stevecel says:

    Poor experimental design that more accurately measures civic efficiency over civic honesty, though both are obviously correlated to a point. The amount of money was way too low and the primary response was the reception, or lack thereof, of an email. This doesn’t tell you anything more about how honest people over how lazy they are. It could be some were stolen, dumped in the trash, or simply left to rot in a drawer somewhere. It’s telling that they didn’t even bother trying Japan because of the public lost and found system, which is a consequence of high civic efficiency and honesty, yet which is which they wouldn’t be able to tell apart given their rudimentary methods.

  60. Dtbb says:

    I worked as a janitor/floorman at a mall for a spell. Food court on hours, floor cleaning after hours. It is surprising how many people lose their wallets, men or women. I would find them and turn them over to security fully intact after noting the names. Often people would come up to me in the food court to inquire after a lost wallet, who I would recognize. I would refer them to the security desk to no avail. Eventually a scandal ensued and the security guards were busted. Very frustrating to do the right thing to no good and very satisfying to see the miscreants eventually get their comeuppance. Gotta take the bad with the good I guess.

  61. @Whiskey

    Thats just insane what you said unless its sarcasm.

  62. anon[308] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I once found a wallet with money (about $70 I think) and returned it to the police station (in a rich town in the U.S.)
    Then I saw the expression on the dumb and venal police dispatcher’s face and was kicking myself for my stupidity in giving it to the police rather than finding its owner myself. I spent the next day or so frantically trying to remember the owner’s name so that I could find her and verify that the wallet had been returned with money in it. Never found her because I likely mis-remembered the name (it was a long, complicated, Italian one). I hope the police did the right thing.

    I lost my wallet twice in the same major US city and had it returned to me, I think with money in it (I couldn’t remember how much had been in there and was just so happy I didn’t have to cancel all the credit cards and get new IDs.). Once it was returned by a black woman, the other time was on mass transit returned to their office by an unknown person.

    Once while visiting a Balkan country I needed money in the local currency and a guy who may have been an employee at my hotel or just pretending to be one said he could do it for me, but he had to go to the bank to do it. I stupidly gave him a few hundred dollars or Euros and off he went. I then realized I’d never see him again. Lo and behold, an hour later he comes back with my money exchanged into the local currency! I gave him a nice tip.

    Another time I was working on my car in my driveway and two guys of some Near- or Middle-Eastern extraction came by and asked to borrow some (relatively inexpensive) equipment. Said they were neighbors from the next street and gave an address. When the equipment was not returned, I went to the said address and found it was an apartment building with many units. Needless to say, I never saw these guys again.

    I guess I am a trusting and stupid person, but sometimes I get lucky.

  63. @songbird

    I’m guessing that one factor is how willing are people to approach the cops. In some places, you might be nervous about being accused of theft, and trapped in some Kafkaesque nightmare.

    The only time this happened to me (in London in the ’80s), my wallet was handed in to my local library (there was a library card in it).

  64. Danindc says:
    @Bostonvegas

    5 kids?? You were already rich!!

  65. @Anon

    Yet the results are pretty much what you would expect.

  66. @vinny

    Somewhat OT: Regarding Greece, ancient observers noted they had a propensity for cheating and double dealing. Romans OTOH were noted for honesty and integrity. Said quality of Greeks probably helped them solidify their position as brokers of all sorts in Ottoman Empire. A good chunk of Greek anti semitism doesnt stem so much from the silly deicide charge but that they didnt quite care for competition post 1492 when all Reconquista Jewish exilees ended up in Ottoman territory.

    • Replies: @donut
  67. In India, certain communities particularly with aristocratic pretensions such as Rajputs, Muslim nawabs, Kammas, Rajus, Thakurs and Nairs among others considerate it dishonorable to pick up money lying on the ground much less keep it for themselves. If they pick up a wallet however, they are compelled to return it lest they bring shame to their clan.

    In the U.A.E. where I lived , it is rather safe. You can leave your car unlocked and your valuables remain untouched. Of course there are caveats to this- the majority of the population of UAE are composed of expatriates -if someone is convicted of stealing there is lashing followed by a short prison sentence and then deportation with a permanent ban. The minority Emirati native citizens who comprise about 20% are wealthy enough not to steal for sure. But again, despite their many flaws, their sense of honor compels them not to take stolen monies. Of course its another matter that much of their economy is based on money laundering but such cognitive dissonance abstractions dont compute for the old world crowd

  68. peterike says:

    80%+ countries
    1. Denmark
    2. Sweden
    3. New Zealand

    70-80% countries
    4. Switzerland
    5. Norway
    6. Czech Republic
    7. Netherlands
    8. Australia

    That’s very white of them.

  69. @Buzz Mohawk

    I’m no angel, but according to the chart above, I must be better than more than forty percent of the people in America…

    …And better than nearly eighty percent of the Chinese people, who, according to some writers on this site, are better than me.

    Better at returning wallets full’a money. Not better at making a quick buck.
    Which one better improves your long-term survival? It depends…

    • Replies: @bomag
  70. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    If the wallet has alot of money, Ill ususally lay in wait for the owner to see if there is more where that came from…

    • LOL: Cortes
  71. I was walking with a Frenchwoman in France when we stumbled on a little leather case holding a transit pass, some other ID I’ve forgotten and a ten-euro bill. She returned everything to the agent at the station except the money. She said, “Are you kidding? The agents would just take it themselves.”

  72. @Hurr Durr

    Serbia, Croatia and Romania score a quartile higher than the US and the UK.

    • Replies: @bored identity
  73. @Jonathan Mason

    The experimenters should have tried leaving a credit card or driver license in the wallets for more interesting results (but I can see why they did not.)

    I’ve picked up credit cards from the street and at least in Finland they always have some small finder’s fee promised by the bank written on them. I don’t know if the bank charges that from the customer that lost the credit card but I’ve always gotten paid for taking them to the bank (which is really not worth the trouble if you end up spending an hour waiting in line for a 10 euro finder’s fee but I’ve done it anyway).

  74. @Anon

    A wallet isn’t equivalent to the monetary value of the cash it contains.

    True. Years ago I got mugged in NYC by a coupla Amish and told them to take the cash and leave me my wallet. It’s a real pain to replace you license, credit cards, etc.

  75. @Ibound1

    This kind of “science” is nonsense.

    For real nonsense science, it’s hard to beat the Humidex, which is how hot it feels when you combine the temperature with the humidity. It was invented by Canadians, and they are very proud of it. You hear it on the weather reports all the f&%&^^ing time. “A high today of 27 with a Humidex of 231!”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humidex

  76. captflee says:

    Lost my wallet in En Zed about 40 years ago, and was utterly unsurprised to, upon my return home, find in my mail pile said wallet, intact, with every bit of pocket litter and all cash present, thoughtfully converted back to Feral Reserve notes.

  77. Hurr Durr says:
    @Redneck farmer

    Here’s your answer: United States population is 77% whites. United Kingdom – 87% white. Italy doesn’t count races, but lists 0.5% as sub-Saharan, 0.3% as Chinese. Italy’s Asian Gyppos are presumably included in the 1% “other”.

    Thanks for pointing out that today’s Social Darwinism is a White-engineered disease, much like Marxism / New Deal preceding it.

  78. anon[116] • Disclaimer says:

    This study does confirm some of my prejudices. Prejudices gained from my personal and work-related dealings with people.

    China, India, and Muslim countries rank as I would expect. Africa, ahem. Southern European countries not so great. Scandinavian countries at the top. And Serbia and Poland ranking quite high does not at all surprise me.

    Japan would have topped the rankings.

    Agree with other commenters that the study would have been more valuable had it included racial and ethnic information about the recipients.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Feryl
  79. Hans Gygax says: • Website
    @Anon

    And it appears Japan is over 98% Japanese, ethnically. A good example of an ethno-national state, with its benefits.

  80. Corn says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Talwani? Must’ve come over on the Mayflower.

  81. Anonymous[491] • Disclaimer says:

    This is what the “wallet” in the study looked like:

    View post on imgur.com

    It’s a clear plastic thing about the size of a business card with a business card displayed. It doesn’t look like a wallet. It looks like a business card holder.

    In Japan and Korea, business cards are a big deal and are handed out like candy in business, formal, and semi-formal settings. People print out lots of them and hand them out every chance they get. Even blue collar workers have them and will slide their business cards under windshield wipers to advertise their plumbing services or whatever. You’ll find lost or littered business cards in public, and they’re not something you try to return when you find them, and the person who lost or littered the card is usually not going to be the person on the business card. I believe this business card culture is similar in China.

  82. anon[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon000

    That’s so beautiful, man.

  83. @Anon

    I have to tell the story of my last night in China after a two-year stint there teaching English in the mid-90s. Some former students were to see me off and, of course, we went out drinking. When the Chinese drink alcohol, they don’t mess around. I’ve seen them pound bai jioa, get sick and throw up under the table, straighten up and continue to match everyone shot for shot. That’s what this night was. The next morning, I had to get ready to go to the airport and realized my backpack was missing. In it were my airline ticket, my passport, my laptop, and Chinese and US cash. My hangover just got much worse.

    I jumped on my bike and raced to the strip of bars opposite Beijing University’s West Gate. It was August, hot and sticky. I really had no hope of recovering that bag. It was an ugly feeling. I turned into the lane and was preparing to stop at each bar from one end of the street to the other when a peasant guy sweeping in front of a bar a few doors down with one of those brooms made of sticks tied together saw me and motioned me over. He went inside and came back out with my bag and everything in it.

    The value of that bag to a guy like that at that time would have represented years of sweeping the street with that homemade broom.

  84. EdwardM says:

    My best lost “wallet” story was in Kiev. I was walking alone at night on an empty street and the guy in front of me accidentally dropped a ziplock bag with some U.S. currency in it. I picked it up, quickened my pace a bit to catch up with him, said excuse me and tried to hand it to him. Just then a “police officer” emerged from an alcove, flashed some cockamamie “badge” and said, what’s going on here? The victim then started to explain that the bag had less cash than when he dropped it. I rolled my eyes and kept walking. Typical Eastern European scam I guess.

    I’ve been solicited for a few lame-ass cons like this in third-world countries, luckily never been victimized. My theory is that all of the capable scammers have made it to the big leagues, like dealing three-card monty in NY or London, and the dregs ply their trade back home. Just another brain drain.

  85. Anonymous[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    I don’t believe the Japanese and Chinese are all that different in behavior, especially relative to Westerners and non-East Asians.

    East Asians are extremely shy and anxious people, even to a pathological extent in a Western context. The kind of shyness and anxiety we’d regard as debilitating and crippling and rare in the West is quite common in East Asia. Even more so than the Scandinavians, who are traditionally known as the most reserved in the West. An average Scandinavian will be the most extroverted, gregarious, charismatic, and socially dominant person in a typical East Asian social setting. This extreme shyness and anxiety is a major driver of their passive and non-confrontational behavior. It inhibits them from crime but probably also from being very actively social and pro-social behavior.

    They’re hermits by nature. That’s why historically they’re known for building walls and sealing themselves off. Korea was known as the “hermit kingdom” long before North Korea existed. You have the “hikkikimori” phenomenon. Video game addiction. Etc.

    Of course you can’t have an entire society of hermits. That’s why Japan and East Asia have all these silly social rules and etiquette. It’s an elaborate system and crutch to enable and smooth over interactions among people who are normally too shy and anxious and would avoid interactions otherwise.

  86. Olorin says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Ha, you beat me to it.

    I’ll bet if you separated out the US results by different cities, or, horrors!, did a racial breakdown, you’d end up with about the same trends familiar from other topics.

  87. donut says:
    @Wilkey

    I can understand that , but I think I would have donated the money to some anti immigration outfit or even better The Daily Stormer .

    • Replies: @Wilkey
  88. donut says:
    @Dr Van Nostrand

    A Greek would rather cheat you and make a small profit than deal honestly and make a bigger one .

  89. Ed says:

    I once lost my wallet in Washington Heights. I think it had $20 in it. A few weeks later it was mailed with everything inside except the money. I thought that was cool. I once lost my phone in the Bronx, it was a flip phone. I called it and a black woman answered. She said she’d meet for a $100 to return it. I told her to f-off and got another one.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  90. @Jonathan Mason

    the needs of the country for workers in various categories where not enough Americans can be found,

    We have enough people to run a country. We don’t need to import more.

    If the owner of the local McDonalds puts a sign in the window advertising a dishwasher position at $1 per day, should we believe him when he says he can’t find an American to wash dishes?

  91. @Ed

    That says something about the quality of human capital of people from this country as well.

  92. @Jehu

    One evening after coming out of a restaurant I placed my wallet atop the car roof apparently in a total bout of absentmindedness while I unlocked the door and drove off. After arriving back home in a state of shock I realized my loss and rapidly retraced my route back to the restaurant-but no joy in finding it. Next morning I retraced the route on my motorcycle and lo and behold my wallet lay plainly in the middle of the street across from a gas station . The only thing missing was a small amount of cash, but my driver’s licence and credit cards were still intact. The fact I live in a small town may have helped.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  93. @Daniel H

    On another site I read that Franco sent food and wine to General Petain who was in prison after WWII when he was convicted of collaborating with the Nazis. Apparently they had become good friends over the years.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  94. They have some similarity, but that is to be expected considering they all live close to each other. I have not seen any studies claiming the Korean and Japanese peoples are descended from the Han.

    Korean and Japanese languages are not related to Mandarin and Cantonese, and there isn’t any evidence to show the Korean and Japanese peoples were conquered and underwent language replacement. The Japanese have considerable genetic admixture from the pre Yayoi inhabitants of Japan, the Jomon culture. The Ainu are the peoples most closely descended from the Jomon period.

    Just published study in Nature , on Japanese ancestry.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-44473-z

  95. @Simply Simon

    I’m beginning to think a traditionalist strong man is a better form of government than the rule of judges we have now.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  96. @Anon

    In a place with a high population density and a lot of common last names, it could be a major project to return a lost wallet. Perhaps it is just too much of a hassle in China.

  97. Feryl says:
    @Hurr Durr

    Yup. Anglo society did well, in most respects, during the “Great Compression” (1930-1980), but have quickly lost their way since (“greed is good”).

  98. Feryl says:
    @Hail

    [comment: I suspect if White Americans of Christian origin were analyzed alone, we would be in the Top 10, or so, as well]

    Actually, I suspect that Teutonic Midwesterners would do well, but other ethnic groups and regions would do worse, Keep in mind also that egalitarianism is highest in the Midwest, and lowest in the Deep South. Greater camaraderie=more honesty.

  99. Feryl says:
    @Simply Simon

    There may also be fear that unlawful use of a credit card could be traced; at least that’s what my personal sentiment would be. God knows there’s a lot of sleazebags out there who wouldn’t let anything stop them.

  100. Feryl says:
    @Ed

    Is she aware that:

    1)You could tip the cops off that someone is extorting you
    2) You (and whoever else is with you) could punch her face in, take your phone, and not give her any money.
    3) At a minimum, you could just show up and argue with her, refusing to give her any money.

  101. Feryl says:
    @anon

    Being in a smaller and ethnically homogeneous country isn’t such a bad thing, is it? China and Russia aren’t necessarily that diverse, but there’s a lot of different regions in these countries and a lot of people pushing against each other, competing. Worth noting is that China, Russia, and the US incarcerate tons of people, which to me says something about the level of insane competition in these countries (those who end up behind bars can no longer be a threat to anyone’s status). Too much competition undermines social camaraderie.

    Ideally, you want to live in a small(er) and far Northern country to have the best social climate.

  102. Feryl says:
    @216

    All the business owners are slimebags, but Ag is particularly audacious because they can’t chew up and spit out enough no-skilled illiterate peasants fast enough. Other companies, though they use immigrants, still would like to develop employee skills to some degree and retain them for some length of time to get return on their investment.

    Ag is so needy and pushy that even during the height of the New Deal era, we still had the Bracero program because God forbid we ever expect them to rely on Americans for their labor.

  103. Feryl says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    The Irish Potato famine was horrible enough to send lots of them to the US. During the Ellis Island days, a lot of Europeans headed toward the US for various and sundry reasons (cheap farm land in PA and the Midwest drove lots of Germans and Swedes to America). Elites in a corrupt era don’t care where immigrants come from, all’s that matters is that cheap surplus labor be imported in waves to hammer the middle-lower class.

  104. Feryl says:
    @Anon

    Japan is said to be much more scrupulous than China, even though both have nearly identical genetics. It looks like cultural socialization is very important (African American blacks, for example, act different than actual African blacks). One can be expected to head down a certain road based on genetics, but the turns you take can be heavily influenced by culture.

  105. @Abe

    Any statement made by a political or military leader during wartime should be taken with a grain of salt. There is no real evidence to the claim that Hitler had a “rabid hatred of Serbs”, and he didn’t “hate” Russians, he hated communists.
    By the way, I have neighbors, a married couple, he a Serb, she a Croat, who say that going back far enough, they were the same people. Croats and Slovenians are RCs and Serbs Orthodox. They are as close as the Welsh, Scots, and Irish.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @HA
  106. @Billy Shears

    Where’s Japan?

    Off the chart on the right side. Virtually everyone returns lost wallets here. Children are actually trained to do it. It’s an interesting contrast with China.

    People either turn lost objects in to the local police or leave them alone so the owner can come back and find it. I’ve passed stuff in the street that stays in the same place for days. Also, I left my phone behind on my seat on a train, and it made half-way across the country to the end of the line, where it was picked up by the train staff who were cleaning the train.

  107. @Anon

    This is also a measure of the energy and competence of institution employees as well as the efficiency of the receiving institution and any other institution in the chain between receiving the lost wallet and returning it to the owner. I can imagine a country like China, with a large government bureaucracy, would fail at this.

  108. @Wilkey

    I would have done the same.

  109. @SIMPLEPseudonymicHandle

    Why ‘re you so surprised?

    Have you ever seen any Romanian or Serbian Gypsy shouting ‘What’s In Your Wallet?’ at you from TV screen?

  110. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Here’s your pro-immigration argument:
    This study shows that the problem with Mexico is its institutions. We need to get Mexicans out of Mexico into the US, where they can finally fulfill their natural propensity to do the right thing.

  111. Anonymous[220] • Disclaimer says:

    The study didn’t use wallets. They used business card cases and handed them over as being lost to places like banks, museums, post offices, hotels, police stations, etc. Then they checked to see if an email was sent to the address on the business card. The cases could also have been put into the lost and found at the institution they were handed over to, or just discarded. They should have had a guy pretending to be the guy on the business card come back later looking for the case to see if it was placed in the lost and found or safely kept in the office in case the owner came back.

    A better study would be to use actual leather wallets with government issued IDs and credit cards, and put them out in public places. The wallets could have tracker chips in them, and then they could check to see if the wallets were picked up and handed over by strangers to the police or government or a local business, or if they were untouched, or if they were just stolen.

    • Replies: @Anon
  112. @216

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/undocumented-deportation-agriculture-dairy-meat-iowa-wisconsin.html

    It gets revealed more and more how worthless the farmers are. We are being rendered into a minority in our homeland, thanks to their greed.

    Yes and no.

    First off it’s the usual sort of lies–the sky will be falling if mass immigration ends–nonsense you get from the scum at Slate.

    Sure, there are plenty of farmers on the greedPC bus–like Molly Tibbets murderer’s employer–who push and justify this evil.

    But, to be fair to any individual farmer they are essentially prisoners of the markets–for labor and their particular commodity. In fact their product–any agricultural product–is the most commoditized. Farmers have *no* pricing power and can only make a living by operating as efficiently possible. So once a bunch of Joe Smiths next door, in the next county, in the next state are operating with immigrant cheap labor, then the commodity prices will be set based on farmers who operate with cheap immigrant labor. And if farmer Bob Smith want to make a living–at least in some of the more labor intensive sectors–he may have to employ cheap immigrant labor as well. (This is in complete contrast to Google, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon which have some pricing power and where cheap foreign labor is their choice.)

    This is the logic of capitalism and market economies. Their very efficiency at delivering the goods, puts a lot of pressure on people who need to make a living. People do what “the market” demands.

    The way this supposed to work in any actual nation, is that the government protects a labor market for its citizens that does not include cheap immigrant labor. They don’t allow mass immigration–i.e. cheap immigrant labor. They enforce the border. They deport any illegals they find. They raid, fine, imprison any business/farms–starting with the big boys–using illegal labor, so that the commondity markets never “price in” illegal labor.

    The criminals in this scenario are not the individual farmers–or at least the small fry–but rather … precisely the immigration cheerleaders at Slate, other elite media, in academia, in government, in corporations who push mass immigration.

    This is a *top down* assault on American workers–and more deeply our American race, culture and race–driven precisely our “educated”, “elite” Leon Krauze types.

  113. @Curmudgeon

    Hitler’s “Table Talk” records many condemnations of the Slavs during WWII.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Table_Talk

  114. Anon[505] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Then they checked to see if an email was sent to the address on the business card.

    People in China don’t use email.

    https://qz.com/984690/while-the-rest-of-the-world-tries-to-kill-email-in-china-its-always-been-dead/

    It’s a familiar story for students or businessmen on their first-ever visit to China. After rounds of beer and baijiu with potential clients, or a karaoke gathering through a university exchange program, the foreigner will ask the Chinese person sitting next to her for his email address.

    The Chinese person will smile blankly, somewhat confused. He’ll offer her a phone number, along with a WeChat account. But the visitor doesn’t use WeChat, the messaging tool from tech giant Tencent that is China’s dominant mode of communication. Her Chinese friend doesn’t use Facebook, her main way of staying touch. Email’s a good compromise, she’ll insist.

    The Chinese person will take a few seconds to remember his email address. He’ll then scribble down a jumble of numbers, maybe with a single letter— [email protected]. The foreigner will be puzzled as to why this person has such a strange email account name. And she’ll also be puzzled when emails to her new acquaintance go unreplied.

  115. HA says:
    @Abe

    “It’s interesting that Serbia ranks so high.”

    It’s even more interesting that Croatia ranks significantly higher (at least in the no-money case). Maybe it’s some small-sample thing.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  116. @William Badwhite

    Marcus Aurelius may have been the best form of government of all time.

    Sadly, we’ve only had one like him in the past 2500 years.

  117. @HA

    I vacationed in Pula, Croatia and the surrounding area for a couple weeks back in 2015.

    All I can say is that the Croats were very friendly, fun people despite all the recent ugliness in the breakup of Yugoslavia. Croatia is also a beautiful, cheap country to spend time in.

    The young Croatian women are absolutely stunning. The most beautiful girl I’ve seen in all my travels was a young blue-eyed, red-headed, hard-bodied Croatian barmaid at Ulek’s in Pula.

    The Croats deserve all that beautiful coastline and I wish them the best.

  118. HA says:
    @Curmudgeon

    By the way, I have neighbors, a married couple, he a Serb, she a Croat, who say that going back far enough, they were the same people.”

    I had to study this tiresome business at one point. It’s true that Serb chauvinists (e.g. Vuk Karadžić) think everyone in that area was originally a Serb (his book on the topic was “‘Serbs all and everywhere”) and were only deluded by Jesuits and other nefarious agents into believing otherwise, and there was also an Illyrian movement that likewise stressed commonality between the different Yugoslav tribes. (Croatian chauvinists did some of that lumping, too, to the extent that even the Slovenians were just “mountain Croats”, and Bosnian Muslims were to them the purest Croats of all.)

    But there is enough evidence that even before they emigrated down south, the Serbs, Croats, and Slovenians were separate, though neighboring, tribes (though if I recall, when they were situated up around present-day Poland, the Serbs might have been to the West of the Croats, though still east of the Carinthians/Slovenes — but don’t hold me to that).

    Sure, if one goes back far enough, one might be able to lump all the Slavs, or all Indo-Europeans together, but there’s no record of any proto-SerboCroat nation ever existing, however much the Yugoslav government would have liked for one to exist.

  119. Anon[265] • Disclaimer says:

    Kind of inside baseball, but in most countries you cannot do this kind of research on a tourist visa. Doing this completely legitimately would be quite a hassle. The missing countries could reflect that: visas didn’t get issued in time, or if they were cheating, an alert immigration official at the airport either got them to ‘fess up, or found something incriminating on the web that gave a clue to their true purpose.

  120. Romanian says: • Website
    @Jonathan Mason

    Wow. That is some heavy stuff. And an awful fate.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  121. @Romanian

    Yes, and the sad thing was that the cop who came to the scene told me that police had been called to the residence several times before but had not arrested the husband, because he was a correctional officer and would automatically lose his job on arrest for domestic violence. (Cops regard correctional officers as a kind of kin, since they also deal with criminals, custody, handcuff people, etc.)

  122. bomag says:
    @gabriel alberton

    Which one better improves your long-term survival?

    I’d say a general goal is to build a society that doesn’t require that type of quick-buck making.

  123. anon[255] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s funny how this article such denial when it comes to pet countries.

    What, populations differ in intellect but not in grift and thievery?

  124. Wilkey says:
    @donut

    And in retrospect that’s exactly what I should have done. That was quite some time ago, though, when I was just starting to get angry about illegal immigration but not yet to the point of finding sites like iSteve or groups like CIS.

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