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From Reductress, a feministized women’s magazine:

7 Beach Reads That Just Happen To Be The Books Jack Liked On Facebook
Issue 28.5 – Living – Jul 29, 2016 By: Jessye McGarry

Screenshot 2016-07-29 00.39.45

There’s nothing better than sitting on a beach with the sand between your toes, a cocktail in your hand, and a great book in your lap that Jack happened to like on Facebook. Yes, that Jack! Wow, once you read all of these books and bring them up in conversation with him, he’ll be like, “Wow, we have so much in common. I should definitely date her!” What a crazy coincidence his faves are on this list!

Cat’s Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut

This Vonnegut book is an American classic and a Jack classic. Wow! After you read this, you can be all “Vonnegut’s a great satirist—oh, you’ve read Vonnegut, Jack? I had literally no idea that you were a fan! I just started reading the book because of a list!” …

Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace

Did Jack read this book, or did he just like it on Facebook? Who cares! It’s going on the list anyway, which should actually prove that this list has very little to do with Jack. But now, if he ever brings it up, you can talk about it and he’ll be amazed you have so many similar interests! …

Fight Club by Chuck Palahniuk

Maybe Jack put this in his favorite books when he was 17 and first got a Facebook, but that doesn’t actually matter since it’s our recommendation for the current summer! Nothing like having a relaxing day at the beach reading Fight Club!

Beach reads make you feel happy, and so does talking to Jack—not that that’s even the point of this list because it’s not!!

Along similar lines, there’s the CW network musical sitcom Crazy Ex-Girlfriend (now on Netflix):

Here’s a tribute to West Covina, CA:

(although the show appears to actually be filmed in my neighborhood, so if you want to know where I live looks like, it looks like West Covina on Crazy Ex-Girlfriend):

And:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jOVk1ViQCw

 
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  1. President Hillary will close down this reductress site quicker than you can say, “K-Mart does not sell all White Pants Suits”.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    White pants suits are a male oppression of women because if a woman wears them and doesn't wear them another time it will be assumed it is because she is having "that time" and anything she does or says will be chalked up to her female functions.

    I actually heard this from a feminist once.
  2. I do not understand the relevance of Reductress, swarthy Jack (who?), his book club for state college teaching assistants, or his crazy ex girlfriends. This post reads like instructions for a Manchurian candidate.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Kylie
    The first "Jack" I thought of was Jack the Ripper, the second was Jack Twist.

    I can't imagine anyone thinking such a reading list would appeal to a long-dead Victorian serial killer and/or a fictional gay, functionally illiterate cowboy.

    So there must be some deliciously subversive in-joke that I'm just not getting.

    As usual. Thank God.
  3. MC says:

    The Reductress article is funny, but not particularly feminist. It could just as easily been written by a misogynist who thinks that all that women care about is men, and that they lack much intellectual depth.

    I give them credit for not doing the typical feminist dodge, which is to blame women’s preferences on men. “How dare these movie studios keep making romantic movies for women?We would never call up all our girlfriends to go out and watch the most recent Jennifer Aniston movie if they didn’t keep making them”

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    One thing you have to realize is that female solipsism is pretty extreme. Nothing deemed "bad" is ever a woman's fault. So, if at the moment, a woman liking romcoms is "bad", well, it's not her fault; it's Hollywood programming her and brainwashing her against her natural tough grrrrl tendencies!
    , @anonymoustache
    A lot of their articles are ambiguous like that. Some of them outright satirize feminism directly: http://reductress.com/post/5-feminist-bookstores-to-marry-yourself-in/
  4. It’s funny how in entertainment geared for women it’s perfectly clear that women value relationships more than personal accomplishments. And these two things are both geared towards women—men aren’t going to get the jokes in the Reductress because it’s parodying women’s magazines and websites, which, by definition, attract women; and the crazy-ex-gf show is glee for over-30 broads.

    It’s almost like thousands of years of people noticing the same thing weren’t wrong.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "It’s almost like thousands of years of people noticing the same thing weren’t wrong."

    Right. Women value relationships, men value personal accomplishments.

    Or as they used to say in the '90's "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus".
  5. @MC
    The Reductress article is funny, but not particularly feminist. It could just as easily been written by a misogynist who thinks that all that women care about is men, and that they lack much intellectual depth.

    I give them credit for not doing the typical feminist dodge, which is to blame women's preferences on men. "How dare these movie studios keep making romantic movies for women?We would never call up all our girlfriends to go out and watch the most recent Jennifer Aniston movie if they didn’t keep making them"

    One thing you have to realize is that female solipsism is pretty extreme. Nothing deemed “bad” is ever a woman’s fault. So, if at the moment, a woman liking romcoms is “bad”, well, it’s not her fault; it’s Hollywood programming her and brainwashing her against her natural tough grrrrl tendencies!

    • Replies: @ATX Hipster
    Only white males have agency. It is known.
  6. Lol potato chips are “greasy goyish food”

  7. “There’s nothing better than sitting on a beach with the sand between your toes …”: on the whole I prefer pebble beaches. At least for sitting on. And you don’t get pebbles in your sandwiches.

  8. @Clyde
    President Hillary will close down this reductress site quicker than you can say, "K-Mart does not sell all White Pants Suits".

    White pants suits are a male oppression of women because if a woman wears them and doesn’t wear them another time it will be assumed it is because she is having “that time” and anything she does or says will be chalked up to her female functions.

    I actually heard this from a feminist once.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    "That time" is long past for the Hildebeast. She can wear a white pantsuit every day and only worry about her incontinence pads.
    , @Olorin
    You too?

    I replied that there would be ample other signals clarifying the matter.

    Yeah, this was about the time the breakup was inevitable. And welcome.

    , @Clyde
    Hillary's white pantsuit is a bold visual for women. Hillary is saying to her prime targeted constituency, "I am pure and of pure purpose". An article in Brietbart says white is the color of coronations. When a woman is coronated. It also reeks of New Age flakiness done Hillary style with Huma input.
    ____
    Hillary’s White Pantsuit: the Color Monarchs Wear to Coronations
    Breitbart News · 3 hours ago
    White is the color monarchs wear to their coronations. In the Christian west, a coronation is a religious ceremony …
  9. Wow, I can’t believe it found an audience on the CW and was renewed for a second season. I might have to catch up on it. There’s so much subversion in there, amazing. You have to take risks to get noticed, and kudos to Rachel Bloom and her co-writers for taking them.

    I started digging a bit on the wikipedia and found the music was done by none other than one of my favorite “those guys”, Adam Schlesinger. Schlesinger was the bassist and lead writer for the fun 90’s-00’s band “Fountains of Wayne” and also was member of “Ivy”, a band that had sultry singer Dominique Durand and her husband on lead guitar. I highly recommend both bands. Fountains made it big with “Stacy’s Mom”, which was quite popular, but my favorite song was the one the NFL used in some ads called “All Kinds Of Time”, which takes a straight ahead look at guys and their love of football. I can’t explain it, it’s just a great song w/ a catchy hook. Accessible is probably the best word I can describe it.

    Here’s the NFL Network Commercial:

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    "Stacy's Mom" is sublime: a work of pure genius.
  10. Who the F. is “Jack”?

    • Replies: @James Kabala
    It is just a fictitious name representing a typical pseudo-intellectual liberal man that the imagined reader wants to date.

    Crazy Ex-Girlfriend is actually not a Netflix original but airs on a broadcast network, the CW. I watched a few episodes and kind of liked them, but there was too much sexual humor for me to keep watching, although Bloom is a very charismatic performer.
    , @Jack D
    This is humor directed at young females. It's not surprising if it goes completely over your head.

    Even once you understand the joke, it's really one joke stretched out for many paragraphs - women will do anything to lure a man. If you watch the sketches on SNL (which I rarely do) they take something that Henny Youngman would have disposed of in 10 seconds (among 30 more equally funny jokes) and stretch it into a 10 minute sketch.
  11. Too yappy. West Covina is for quiet people.

    Check this out and related video:

    http://la.eater.com/2016/4/21/11481042/dunkin-donuts-west-covina-rainbow-donuts

    If it’s a battle between a Vietcong donut shop vs big bad Dunkin Donuts, I’m going with Dunkin Donuts 6 out 10 times.

    See how the Mex customers are savagely defending the right of the Global South to viciously defame this seductive mistress of Yank corporatism.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    Here's the video:

    http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Dunkin-Donut-Shop-Expected-to-Move-Near-Mom-and-Pop-Donut-Shop.html
    , @Jack D
    I think most Dunkin Donuts are franchise stores run by immigrants anyway. Around here (Phila) they are mostly Indian (S. Asian) owned. So this is a battle between E. Asia and S. Asia and the Amerindians are siding with the E. Asians. This is what the America of the future looks like.

    I think one thing the bruthas don't get is that when this happens no one will care anymore what they think. When they try to guilt trip everyone about slaves building the White House (really, it was built with 100% slave labor?) all these various browns and yellows will shrug their shoulders and say "It wasn't us!".
  12. Steve, your link to the article just goes to the article image.

    Funny site, though!

  13. @Hacienda
    Too yappy. West Covina is for quiet people.

    Check this out and related video:


    http://la.eater.com/2016/4/21/11481042/dunkin-donuts-west-covina-rainbow-donuts


    If it's a battle between a Vietcong donut shop vs big bad Dunkin Donuts, I'm going with Dunkin Donuts 6 out 10 times.

    See how the Mex customers are savagely defending the right of the Global South to viciously defame this seductive mistress of Yank corporatism.
    • Replies: @Jasper Been
    Interesting. Its hard to get too worked up about any of this though. I really dislike the offerings found at Dunkin Donuts. Any donuts from a non-chain bakery would surely be better.

    Like most communities however they could use fewer donuts (and sugar) overall. Meh.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Competition! Quelle horreur! Local donut monopolies are the American Way!
  14. I have no idea what this post is about, but I’m not going to waste my time following the links to find out.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Josh
    It's actually pretty funny. A kind of onion for chick magazines. "3 cute ways to breathe very quietly inside Brian's closet" and "Breathtaking photos of Real women my boyfriend masturbates to" are pretty pitch perfect.
  15. Cat’s Cradle is a great book.

    Who is Jack?

  16. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    So the purpose of reading some books is not to learn something but to impress others, especially this ‘Jack’ character who appears to be some tatted up, shaven-headed negro? Boy, talk about being superficial this is it. No wonder most men think the majority of women are brain-dead; they really are. Go over to the women’s interest section in a large magazine shop and behold the vacuousness of it all, a million ways to puff up one’s hair and obsessions about looks looks looks, idiot movie stars, endless relationship nonsense and so on. Not a brain cell in sight.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    Gushing female fan to author: "How do you write women so well?"
    Annoyed author (Jack Nicholson): "I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability."

    https://setiorganization.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/as-good-as-it-gets-jack-nicholson-how-do-you-write-women-so-well-nicholson-responds-i-think-of-a-man-and-i-take-away-reason-and-accountability/
    , @unpc downunder
    In fairness, average IQ women do read a lot more than average IQ men, and the reading and viewing tastes of people with average IQs aren't exactly very high brow. Then you have to factor in female self-esteem. Women have lower self-esteem so they spent alot more time trying to boost each other's egos.

    What puzzles me so much is how the various sub-groups of women get along so well. For example, Hillary probably has very little in common with 90 percent of women, yet her life revolves around trying to be a champion of women. Relatively masculine women like Hillary have spend the last century trying to attain more freedom from having to live like feminine women, yet they still act like they are part of a united team battling against male oppression.

  17. Further research into the Reductress (trying to find actual authors is actually somewhat difficult), leads me to believe that the authors don’t really want to be known.

    For example, @reductress has 57K followers on twitter, but one the lead authors, Anna Drezen, is a comedian-brooklynite who, according to her twitter feed (@annadrezen) has about 7k followers. She does note in her twitter bio that she’s part of @reductress.

    (Side note: comedians having to work different voiceover gigs, appear on 4 podcasts a week while doing one’s own podcast, while doing 6 shows in 3 different clubs in NYC open mic nights must get terribly exhausting – then you have to travel to Cleveland, Buffalo and Detroit on weekends to do shows there. It’s a living! Your rewards used to be huge: Think Jerry Seinfeld, Ray Romano, Tim Allen. Those end reward big payoffs are not as big, so not sure what the big reward is? Maybe it’s a series of lesser ones, like a Netflix show and a movie every couple of years, a la Amy Schumer. Maybe a show on FX where you call your own shots like Louie CK?)

    Anna’s bio, from an Arkansas Writer’s Conference: “Anna Drezen is a comedian, writer, and actor living in Brooklyn, New York. She regularly performs at the UCB, the PIT, Union Hall, and the Annoyance. She is the associate editor of Reductress and the coauthor of the books How May We Hate You? and How to Win at Feminism. Sponsored by KUAR FM 89.1.”

    So what is the Reductress? Is it anon blog that pokes fun at the excesses of feminism? Or does is it providing a much needed (yet coarse) tonic for the “you-go-grrl-ization” of the discourse, which iStevers know is BS, but the rest of the world might need reminding of? Either way, I am glad it exists, even if everyone associated with it is voting for sHillary.

    • Replies: @anonitron1
    I have the oddly specific advantage of knowing a graduate student who interviewed the creators of Reductress. As far as I remember, two women run the whole thing for very little money and they're both earnest early-90's Riot Grrrl punk-types.

    The purpose of the site is pretty transparent: Onion-style satire of pop-feminist (think over the top empowerment language braced by naked consumerism) women's magazines and Buzzfeed. It's more or less successful in that regard.
  18. A friend of mine who grew up in Beverly Hills was for a long time convinced that the B-52s were singing “99 Miles to West Covina” instead of “99 Miles West of Venus.”

  19. Lots of winners in the comment section here..

  20. @Hacienda
    Here's the video:

    http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Dunkin-Donut-Shop-Expected-to-Move-Near-Mom-and-Pop-Donut-Shop.html

    Interesting. Its hard to get too worked up about any of this though. I really dislike the offerings found at Dunkin Donuts. Any donuts from a non-chain bakery would surely be better.

    Like most communities however they could use fewer donuts (and sugar) overall. Meh.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    I stay away sugar. My mom has type 2 diabetes. One week no sugar. Then a splurge and when I do it's a trip to Whittier Dunkin Donuts.

    DD is best in cold weather. In from the snow, just baked, soft, cottony.

    Immigrants lack the skills for good donuts. Assembly line, like cheap perfume.
  21. @Paco Wové
    Who the F. is "Jack"?

    It is just a fictitious name representing a typical pseudo-intellectual liberal man that the imagined reader wants to date.

    Crazy Ex-Girlfriend is actually not a Netflix original but airs on a broadcast network, the CW. I watched a few episodes and kind of liked them, but there was too much sexual humor for me to keep watching, although Bloom is a very charismatic performer.

  22. Doesn’t Haven Monahan live in West Covina?

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Former MLBer Jason Giambi grew up in West Covina.
  23. @Hacienda
    Too yappy. West Covina is for quiet people.

    Check this out and related video:


    http://la.eater.com/2016/4/21/11481042/dunkin-donuts-west-covina-rainbow-donuts


    If it's a battle between a Vietcong donut shop vs big bad Dunkin Donuts, I'm going with Dunkin Donuts 6 out 10 times.

    See how the Mex customers are savagely defending the right of the Global South to viciously defame this seductive mistress of Yank corporatism.

    I think most Dunkin Donuts are franchise stores run by immigrants anyway. Around here (Phila) they are mostly Indian (S. Asian) owned. So this is a battle between E. Asia and S. Asia and the Amerindians are siding with the E. Asians. This is what the America of the future looks like.

    I think one thing the bruthas don’t get is that when this happens no one will care anymore what they think. When they try to guilt trip everyone about slaves building the White House (really, it was built with 100% slave labor?) all these various browns and yellows will shrug their shoulders and say “It wasn’t us!”.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    Apparently the DD is going to be located in a shopping mall complex that has Tokyo Central as the anchor. TC is a large Japanese supermarket, DD would be big positive for that mall. Look, the Vietcongs need to get with the program.

    The bruthas like psychological distance as much as anyone. There's no Karma to be scored here.
    , @Anonymous
    Haven't you have about all the Chinese marrying africans?
  24. @Former Darfur
    White pants suits are a male oppression of women because if a woman wears them and doesn't wear them another time it will be assumed it is because she is having "that time" and anything she does or says will be chalked up to her female functions.

    I actually heard this from a feminist once.

    “That time” is long past for the Hildebeast. She can wear a white pantsuit every day and only worry about her incontinence pads.

  25. @DCThrowback
    Wow, I can't believe it found an audience on the CW and was renewed for a second season. I might have to catch up on it. There's so much subversion in there, amazing. You have to take risks to get noticed, and kudos to Rachel Bloom and her co-writers for taking them.

    I started digging a bit on the wikipedia and found the music was done by none other than one of my favorite "those guys", Adam Schlesinger. Schlesinger was the bassist and lead writer for the fun 90's-00's band "Fountains of Wayne" and also was member of "Ivy", a band that had sultry singer Dominique Durand and her husband on lead guitar. I highly recommend both bands. Fountains made it big with "Stacy's Mom", which was quite popular, but my favorite song was the one the NFL used in some ads called "All Kinds Of Time", which takes a straight ahead look at guys and their love of football. I can't explain it, it's just a great song w/ a catchy hook. Accessible is probably the best word I can describe it.

    Here's the NFL Network Commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j2r0q0i2tg

    “Stacy’s Mom” is sublime: a work of pure genius.

    • Replies: @Marty
    I won't argue about the song, but what I find sublime is "Welcome Interstate Managers."
  26. “The Psychiatrist is IN. 5¢”

    Now I just have to get un-stuck so I’m calling California Psychics.

    “For just a dollar a minute!”

  27. @Paco Wové
    Who the F. is "Jack"?

    This is humor directed at young females. It’s not surprising if it goes completely over your head.

    Even once you understand the joke, it’s really one joke stretched out for many paragraphs – women will do anything to lure a man. If you watch the sketches on SNL (which I rarely do) they take something that Henny Youngman would have disposed of in 10 seconds (among 30 more equally funny jokes) and stretch it into a 10 minute sketch.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    The Onion does the same thing: They take a one joke premise and do it for 800 words.

    That was the old Onion: Now that it is owned by Mexicans and is completely PC I no longer follow it, even when my kids send me URL's.
  28. @MC
    The Reductress article is funny, but not particularly feminist. It could just as easily been written by a misogynist who thinks that all that women care about is men, and that they lack much intellectual depth.

    I give them credit for not doing the typical feminist dodge, which is to blame women's preferences on men. "How dare these movie studios keep making romantic movies for women?We would never call up all our girlfriends to go out and watch the most recent Jennifer Aniston movie if they didn’t keep making them"

    A lot of their articles are ambiguous like that. Some of them outright satirize feminism directly: http://reductress.com/post/5-feminist-bookstores-to-marry-yourself-in/

  29. @Jasper Been
    Interesting. Its hard to get too worked up about any of this though. I really dislike the offerings found at Dunkin Donuts. Any donuts from a non-chain bakery would surely be better.

    Like most communities however they could use fewer donuts (and sugar) overall. Meh.

    I stay away sugar. My mom has type 2 diabetes. One week no sugar. Then a splurge and when I do it’s a trip to Whittier Dunkin Donuts.

    DD is best in cold weather. In from the snow, just baked, soft, cottony.

    Immigrants lack the skills for good donuts. Assembly line, like cheap perfume.

  30. @Jack D
    I think most Dunkin Donuts are franchise stores run by immigrants anyway. Around here (Phila) they are mostly Indian (S. Asian) owned. So this is a battle between E. Asia and S. Asia and the Amerindians are siding with the E. Asians. This is what the America of the future looks like.

    I think one thing the bruthas don't get is that when this happens no one will care anymore what they think. When they try to guilt trip everyone about slaves building the White House (really, it was built with 100% slave labor?) all these various browns and yellows will shrug their shoulders and say "It wasn't us!".

    Apparently the DD is going to be located in a shopping mall complex that has Tokyo Central as the anchor. TC is a large Japanese supermarket, DD would be big positive for that mall. Look, the Vietcongs need to get with the program.

    The bruthas like psychological distance as much as anyone. There’s no Karma to be scored here.

  31. Admittedly, I don’t know much about musicals. They’re almost always lame.

    But I tried to listen to the Hamilton soundtrack once because you can’t avoid mentions of it online. It was terrible music.

    These two Crazy Ex Girlfriend clips are much more clever. Loaded with subversive ideas. And catchy. Better than Hamilton is a way that’s almost objective. I don’t think it will be lauded as the defining masterwork of the 21st century like Hamilton though. Note enough black people.

  32. Okay the songs remind me of Veggie Tales.

    Oh Where is my Hair Brush?

    Oh Barbara Manatee! You are the one for me!

  33. As I understand, Cat’s Cradle was written and accepted as Vonnegut’s (masters?) anthropology thesis. An early work, it is okay.

    My favorites: Sirens of Titan, Player Piano and Blue Beard.

  34. @WGG
    I do not understand the relevance of Reductress, swarthy Jack (who?), his book club for state college teaching assistants, or his crazy ex girlfriends. This post reads like instructions for a Manchurian candidate.

    The first “Jack” I thought of was Jack the Ripper, the second was Jack Twist.

    I can’t imagine anyone thinking such a reading list would appeal to a long-dead Victorian serial killer and/or a fictional gay, functionally illiterate cowboy.

    So there must be some deliciously subversive in-joke that I’m just not getting.

    As usual. Thank God.

    • Replies: @anonitron1
    The conceit of the piece is that Jack is some dude you want to bang, a dude with a conventionally masculine taste in middlebrow literary writing.

    Are you just pretending not to understand? This is pretty straightforward.
    , @whorefinder
    No, it's not that there's a subversive in-joke. I've read Reductress for a little while now, and they're basically in the beginning stages of the Onion; they haven't yet reached the next stage of humor where there more subversive in-jokes peppering their articles.

    Basically, the joke is that when a woman gets obsessed with a man, everything she sees reminds her of him, so when she's reading some woman's magazine, she applies every article to her crush. And the other joke is that his list of books is so wonderfully prosaic and cliche that he could be any guy his age and yet she thinks the books give him personal meaning.
  35. @Jack D
    I think most Dunkin Donuts are franchise stores run by immigrants anyway. Around here (Phila) they are mostly Indian (S. Asian) owned. So this is a battle between E. Asia and S. Asia and the Amerindians are siding with the E. Asians. This is what the America of the future looks like.

    I think one thing the bruthas don't get is that when this happens no one will care anymore what they think. When they try to guilt trip everyone about slaves building the White House (really, it was built with 100% slave labor?) all these various browns and yellows will shrug their shoulders and say "It wasn't us!".

    Haven’t you have about all the Chinese marrying africans?

  36. Marty [AKA "Harvard Hates America"] says:
    @slumber_j
    "Stacy's Mom" is sublime: a work of pure genius.

    I won’t argue about the song, but what I find sublime is “Welcome Interstate Managers.”

  37. @whorefinder
    It's funny how in entertainment geared for women it's perfectly clear that women value relationships more than personal accomplishments. And these two things are both geared towards women---men aren't going to get the jokes in the Reductress because it's parodying women's magazines and websites, which, by definition, attract women; and the crazy-ex-gf show is glee for over-30 broads.

    It's almost like thousands of years of people noticing the same thing weren't wrong.

    “It’s almost like thousands of years of people noticing the same thing weren’t wrong.”

    Right. Women value relationships, men value personal accomplishments.

    Or as they used to say in the ’90’s “Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus”.

  38. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Doesn't Haven Monahan live in West Covina?

    Former MLBer Jason Giambi grew up in West Covina.

  39. @Jack D
    This is humor directed at young females. It's not surprising if it goes completely over your head.

    Even once you understand the joke, it's really one joke stretched out for many paragraphs - women will do anything to lure a man. If you watch the sketches on SNL (which I rarely do) they take something that Henny Youngman would have disposed of in 10 seconds (among 30 more equally funny jokes) and stretch it into a 10 minute sketch.

    The Onion does the same thing: They take a one joke premise and do it for 800 words.

    That was the old Onion: Now that it is owned by Mexicans and is completely PC I no longer follow it, even when my kids send me URL’s.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    They used to do good work. Back when they were still based in Madison.

    It's truly sad. I have - with a quick glance - nine Onion compendiums on my bookshelf. I haven't been to the site in years.

    I also really enjoyed the AVClub but the place became absolutely insufferable during and after the 2008 election.
    , @Steve Sailer
    "Now that it is owned by Mexicans"

    Haim Saban was born in Egypt.
  40. @Former Darfur
    White pants suits are a male oppression of women because if a woman wears them and doesn't wear them another time it will be assumed it is because she is having "that time" and anything she does or says will be chalked up to her female functions.

    I actually heard this from a feminist once.

    You too?

    I replied that there would be ample other signals clarifying the matter.

    Yeah, this was about the time the breakup was inevitable. And welcome.

  41. @DCThrowback
    Further research into the Reductress (trying to find actual authors is actually somewhat difficult), leads me to believe that the authors don't really want to be known.

    For example, @reductress has 57K followers on twitter, but one the lead authors, Anna Drezen, is a comedian-brooklynite who, according to her twitter feed (@annadrezen) has about 7k followers. She does note in her twitter bio that she's part of @reductress.

    (Side note: comedians having to work different voiceover gigs, appear on 4 podcasts a week while doing one's own podcast, while doing 6 shows in 3 different clubs in NYC open mic nights must get terribly exhausting - then you have to travel to Cleveland, Buffalo and Detroit on weekends to do shows there. It's a living! Your rewards used to be huge: Think Jerry Seinfeld, Ray Romano, Tim Allen. Those end reward big payoffs are not as big, so not sure what the big reward is? Maybe it's a series of lesser ones, like a Netflix show and a movie every couple of years, a la Amy Schumer. Maybe a show on FX where you call your own shots like Louie CK?)

    Anna's bio, from an Arkansas Writer's Conference: "Anna Drezen is a comedian, writer, and actor living in Brooklyn, New York. She regularly performs at the UCB, the PIT, Union Hall, and the Annoyance. She is the associate editor of Reductress and the coauthor of the books How May We Hate You? and How to Win at Feminism. Sponsored by KUAR FM 89.1."

    So what is the Reductress? Is it anon blog that pokes fun at the excesses of feminism? Or does is it providing a much needed (yet coarse) tonic for the "you-go-grrl-ization" of the discourse, which iStevers know is BS, but the rest of the world might need reminding of? Either way, I am glad it exists, even if everyone associated with it is voting for sHillary.

    I have the oddly specific advantage of knowing a graduate student who interviewed the creators of Reductress. As far as I remember, two women run the whole thing for very little money and they’re both earnest early-90’s Riot Grrrl punk-types.

    The purpose of the site is pretty transparent: Onion-style satire of pop-feminist (think over the top empowerment language braced by naked consumerism) women’s magazines and Buzzfeed. It’s more or less successful in that regard.

  42. @Kylie
    The first "Jack" I thought of was Jack the Ripper, the second was Jack Twist.

    I can't imagine anyone thinking such a reading list would appeal to a long-dead Victorian serial killer and/or a fictional gay, functionally illiterate cowboy.

    So there must be some deliciously subversive in-joke that I'm just not getting.

    As usual. Thank God.

    The conceit of the piece is that Jack is some dude you want to bang, a dude with a conventionally masculine taste in middlebrow literary writing.

    Are you just pretending not to understand? This is pretty straightforward.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "The conceit of the piece is that Jack is some dude you want to bang, a dude with a conventionally masculine taste in middlebrow literary writing."

    But why name him "Jack"? I'd have understood the conceit of the piece instantly if the dude had been named "Haven".

    "Are you just pretending not to understand? This is pretty straightforward."

    No. Now you sound like every other woman who can't believe I don't track with the "thinking" of every other woman.
  43. @SPMoore8
    The Onion does the same thing: They take a one joke premise and do it for 800 words.

    That was the old Onion: Now that it is owned by Mexicans and is completely PC I no longer follow it, even when my kids send me URL's.

    They used to do good work. Back when they were still based in Madison.

    It’s truly sad. I have – with a quick glance – nine Onion compendiums on my bookshelf. I haven’t been to the site in years.

    I also really enjoyed the AVClub but the place became absolutely insufferable during and after the 2008 election.

    • Agree: SPMoore8
  44. @Hacienda
    Here's the video:

    http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Dunkin-Donut-Shop-Expected-to-Move-Near-Mom-and-Pop-Donut-Shop.html

    Competition! Quelle horreur! Local donut monopolies are the American Way!

  45. @anonymous
    So the purpose of reading some books is not to learn something but to impress others, especially this 'Jack' character who appears to be some tatted up, shaven-headed negro? Boy, talk about being superficial this is it. No wonder most men think the majority of women are brain-dead; they really are. Go over to the women's interest section in a large magazine shop and behold the vacuousness of it all, a million ways to puff up one's hair and obsessions about looks looks looks, idiot movie stars, endless relationship nonsense and so on. Not a brain cell in sight.

    Gushing female fan to author: “How do you write women so well?”
    Annoyed author (Jack Nicholson): “I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability.”

    https://setiorganization.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/as-good-as-it-gets-jack-nicholson-how-do-you-write-women-so-well-nicholson-responds-i-think-of-a-man-and-i-take-away-reason-and-accountability/

  46. @Chrisnonymous
    I have no idea what this post is about, but I'm not going to waste my time following the links to find out.

    It’s actually pretty funny. A kind of onion for chick magazines. “3 cute ways to breathe very quietly inside Brian’s closet” and “Breathtaking photos of Real women my boyfriend masturbates to” are pretty pitch perfect.

  47. @whorefinder
    One thing you have to realize is that female solipsism is pretty extreme. Nothing deemed "bad" is ever a woman's fault. So, if at the moment, a woman liking romcoms is "bad", well, it's not her fault; it's Hollywood programming her and brainwashing her against her natural tough grrrrl tendencies!

    Only white males have agency. It is known.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    "The Devil made me do it" is rapidly coming back as a valid defense for anyone who falls into a protected caste.
  48. @Kylie
    The first "Jack" I thought of was Jack the Ripper, the second was Jack Twist.

    I can't imagine anyone thinking such a reading list would appeal to a long-dead Victorian serial killer and/or a fictional gay, functionally illiterate cowboy.

    So there must be some deliciously subversive in-joke that I'm just not getting.

    As usual. Thank God.

    No, it’s not that there’s a subversive in-joke. I’ve read Reductress for a little while now, and they’re basically in the beginning stages of the Onion; they haven’t yet reached the next stage of humor where there more subversive in-jokes peppering their articles.

    Basically, the joke is that when a woman gets obsessed with a man, everything she sees reminds her of him, so when she’s reading some woman’s magazine, she applies every article to her crush. And the other joke is that his list of books is so wonderfully prosaic and cliche that he could be any guy his age and yet she thinks the books give him personal meaning.

    • Agree: gruff
    • Replies: @Kylie
    Oh. Thanks for the explanation.

    And thanks for taking my bewilderment seriously.

    I really did type out my thoughts pretty much as they occurred to me.
    , @Njguy73
    I would laugh, but it's gotten to the point where a parody of a feminist website has become indistinguishable from a serious feminist website.
  49. @anonitron1
    The conceit of the piece is that Jack is some dude you want to bang, a dude with a conventionally masculine taste in middlebrow literary writing.

    Are you just pretending not to understand? This is pretty straightforward.

    “The conceit of the piece is that Jack is some dude you want to bang, a dude with a conventionally masculine taste in middlebrow literary writing.”

    But why name him “Jack”? I’d have understood the conceit of the piece instantly if the dude had been named “Haven”.

    “Are you just pretending not to understand? This is pretty straightforward.”

    No. Now you sound like every other woman who can’t believe I don’t track with the “thinking” of every other woman.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    "But why name him “Jack”? I’d have understood the conceit of the piece instantly if the dude had been named “Haven”."
     
    Because naming him Amir, Ali, or Will.I.whatever would be too ethnic and would not fit the narrative that these guys are desirable.

    BTW, WhoTF is Jack?
  50. @whorefinder
    No, it's not that there's a subversive in-joke. I've read Reductress for a little while now, and they're basically in the beginning stages of the Onion; they haven't yet reached the next stage of humor where there more subversive in-jokes peppering their articles.

    Basically, the joke is that when a woman gets obsessed with a man, everything she sees reminds her of him, so when she's reading some woman's magazine, she applies every article to her crush. And the other joke is that his list of books is so wonderfully prosaic and cliche that he could be any guy his age and yet she thinks the books give him personal meaning.

    Oh. Thanks for the explanation.

    And thanks for taking my bewilderment seriously.

    I really did type out my thoughts pretty much as they occurred to me.

  51. @whorefinder
    No, it's not that there's a subversive in-joke. I've read Reductress for a little while now, and they're basically in the beginning stages of the Onion; they haven't yet reached the next stage of humor where there more subversive in-jokes peppering their articles.

    Basically, the joke is that when a woman gets obsessed with a man, everything she sees reminds her of him, so when she's reading some woman's magazine, she applies every article to her crush. And the other joke is that his list of books is so wonderfully prosaic and cliche that he could be any guy his age and yet she thinks the books give him personal meaning.

    I would laugh, but it’s gotten to the point where a parody of a feminist website has become indistinguishable from a serious feminist website.

  52. In the Crazy Ex Girlfriend clip I thought I recognized the old transmission line towers next to the defunct Lion’s Drag Strip near Long Beach.

  53. Crazy Ex Girlfriend is great. The musical numbers are a lot better than Hamilton, and Rachel Bloom is a hell of a lot more talented than media darling Lena Dunham. Like, infinitely more.

  54. Don’t think it will make the Reductress but here’s an interesting snippet from a study in France that there is actually a gender bias favoring women for STEM positions.

    Analyzing their data, the researchers were surprised to find that the gender bias that existed was actually in favor of the female students taking tests in STEM fields—they ranked it in the 10th percentile, which suggests women would have a leg up in being hired in their chosen fields. Interestingly, they also found a small gender bias for males taking exams in traditionally female-dominated fields.

    Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2016-07-accreditation-exams-reveals-biases-favor.html#jCp

  55. @anonymous
    So the purpose of reading some books is not to learn something but to impress others, especially this 'Jack' character who appears to be some tatted up, shaven-headed negro? Boy, talk about being superficial this is it. No wonder most men think the majority of women are brain-dead; they really are. Go over to the women's interest section in a large magazine shop and behold the vacuousness of it all, a million ways to puff up one's hair and obsessions about looks looks looks, idiot movie stars, endless relationship nonsense and so on. Not a brain cell in sight.

    In fairness, average IQ women do read a lot more than average IQ men, and the reading and viewing tastes of people with average IQs aren’t exactly very high brow. Then you have to factor in female self-esteem. Women have lower self-esteem so they spent alot more time trying to boost each other’s egos.

    What puzzles me so much is how the various sub-groups of women get along so well. For example, Hillary probably has very little in common with 90 percent of women, yet her life revolves around trying to be a champion of women. Relatively masculine women like Hillary have spend the last century trying to attain more freedom from having to live like feminine women, yet they still act like they are part of a united team battling against male oppression.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Maybe average women read more but do they read better? A lot of what women read is just mindless drivel - romance novels, "women's magazines" with articles like "How to Have Better Orgasms", etc. It's better not to read at all than to read that stuff.
    , @Kylie
    Hillary isn't "relatively masculine"; she's completely sexless.

    A relatively masculine woman can still be attractive in a boyish way (e.g., Ellen or Mercedes McCambridge*). A sexless person like Hillary is repellent in an Uncanny Valley sort of way.

    *Giant would have been a much better movie if Mercedes McCambridge snd Rock Hudson had switched roles.
  56. @unpc downunder
    In fairness, average IQ women do read a lot more than average IQ men, and the reading and viewing tastes of people with average IQs aren't exactly very high brow. Then you have to factor in female self-esteem. Women have lower self-esteem so they spent alot more time trying to boost each other's egos.

    What puzzles me so much is how the various sub-groups of women get along so well. For example, Hillary probably has very little in common with 90 percent of women, yet her life revolves around trying to be a champion of women. Relatively masculine women like Hillary have spend the last century trying to attain more freedom from having to live like feminine women, yet they still act like they are part of a united team battling against male oppression.

    Maybe average women read more but do they read better? A lot of what women read is just mindless drivel – romance novels, “women’s magazines” with articles like “How to Have Better Orgasms”, etc. It’s better not to read at all than to read that stuff.

  57. Good casting call — the crazy ex-girlfriend has that insane look in her eyes….

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    I was looking at the other eyes IYKWIMAITTYD.
  58. @celt darnell
    Good casting call -- the crazy ex-girlfriend has that insane look in her eyes....

    I was looking at the other eyes IYKWIMAITTYD.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "I was looking at the other eyes IYKWIMAITTYD."

    I used to say Jamie Lee Curtis would never have had a career in movies if she hadn't had such a famous pair of...parents.
    , @celt darnell
    Well, we know what her ex-boyfriend saw in her!
  59. @unpc downunder
    In fairness, average IQ women do read a lot more than average IQ men, and the reading and viewing tastes of people with average IQs aren't exactly very high brow. Then you have to factor in female self-esteem. Women have lower self-esteem so they spent alot more time trying to boost each other's egos.

    What puzzles me so much is how the various sub-groups of women get along so well. For example, Hillary probably has very little in common with 90 percent of women, yet her life revolves around trying to be a champion of women. Relatively masculine women like Hillary have spend the last century trying to attain more freedom from having to live like feminine women, yet they still act like they are part of a united team battling against male oppression.

    Hillary isn’t “relatively masculine”; she’s completely sexless.

    A relatively masculine woman can still be attractive in a boyish way (e.g., Ellen or Mercedes McCambridge*). A sexless person like Hillary is repellent in an Uncanny Valley sort of way.

    *Giant would have been a much better movie if Mercedes McCambridge snd Rock Hudson had switched roles.

  60. @DCThrowback
    I was looking at the other eyes IYKWIMAITTYD.

    “I was looking at the other eyes IYKWIMAITTYD.”

    I used to say Jamie Lee Curtis would never have had a career in movies if she hadn’t had such a famous pair of…parents.

    • Replies: @celt darnell
    Or, as the even older joke had it -- there's two reasons why Jane Russell is a star...
  61. @Kylie
    "The conceit of the piece is that Jack is some dude you want to bang, a dude with a conventionally masculine taste in middlebrow literary writing."

    But why name him "Jack"? I'd have understood the conceit of the piece instantly if the dude had been named "Haven".

    "Are you just pretending not to understand? This is pretty straightforward."

    No. Now you sound like every other woman who can't believe I don't track with the "thinking" of every other woman.

    “But why name him “Jack”? I’d have understood the conceit of the piece instantly if the dude had been named “Haven”.”

    Because naming him Amir, Ali, or Will.I.whatever would be too ethnic and would not fit the narrative that these guys are desirable.

    BTW, WhoTF is Jack?

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "Because naming him Amir, Ali, or Will.I.whatever would be too ethnic and would not fit the narrative that these guys are desirable.

    BTW, WhoTF is Jack?"

    Apparently someone more desirable and literate than Amir, Ali and Will. I.
  62. In 1972 The Harvard Lampoon published this:

    Unimaginable today.

    • LOL: Kylie
  63. @SPMoore8
    The Onion does the same thing: They take a one joke premise and do it for 800 words.

    That was the old Onion: Now that it is owned by Mexicans and is completely PC I no longer follow it, even when my kids send me URL's.

    “Now that it is owned by Mexicans”

    Haim Saban was born in Egypt.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Thank you! I was wondering why Univision (Mexican) would have an interest in The Onion (American). It turns out that Univision was bought by an Israeli, first. Not funny.
  64. @Steve Sailer
    "Now that it is owned by Mexicans"

    Haim Saban was born in Egypt.

    Thank you! I was wondering why Univision (Mexican) would have an interest in The Onion (American). It turns out that Univision was bought by an Israeli, first. Not funny.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The Israeli bought Univision from an Italian.
  65. @The Alarmist

    "But why name him “Jack”? I’d have understood the conceit of the piece instantly if the dude had been named “Haven”."
     
    Because naming him Amir, Ali, or Will.I.whatever would be too ethnic and would not fit the narrative that these guys are desirable.

    BTW, WhoTF is Jack?

    “Because naming him Amir, Ali, or Will.I.whatever would be too ethnic and would not fit the narrative that these guys are desirable.

    BTW, WhoTF is Jack?”

    Apparently someone more desirable and literate than Amir, Ali and Will. I.

  66. @Former Darfur
    White pants suits are a male oppression of women because if a woman wears them and doesn't wear them another time it will be assumed it is because she is having "that time" and anything she does or says will be chalked up to her female functions.

    I actually heard this from a feminist once.

    Hillary’s white pantsuit is a bold visual for women. Hillary is saying to her prime targeted constituency, “I am pure and of pure purpose”. An article in Brietbart says white is the color of coronations. When a woman is coronated. It also reeks of New Age flakiness done Hillary style with Huma input.
    ____
    Hillary’s White Pantsuit: the Color Monarchs Wear to Coronations
    Breitbart News · 3 hours ago
    White is the color monarchs wear to their coronations. In the Christian west, a coronation is a religious ceremony …

    • Replies: @Kylie
    I thought her pantsuit had literary connotations.

    "Hast seen the White Whale?"
  67. @DCThrowback
    I was looking at the other eyes IYKWIMAITTYD.

    Well, we know what her ex-boyfriend saw in her!

  68. @Kylie
    "I was looking at the other eyes IYKWIMAITTYD."

    I used to say Jamie Lee Curtis would never have had a career in movies if she hadn't had such a famous pair of...parents.

    Or, as the even older joke had it — there’s two reasons why Jane Russell is a star…

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Or, as the even older joke had it — there’s two reasons why Jane Russell is a star…
     
    I remember a radio comic's description of the Liz Taylor salad: a couple of stuffed tomatoes with too much dressing.
    , @Kylie
    Didn't Oscar Levant say about Jayne Mansfield, "Thanks for the mammaries"?
  69. Now for Sane Girlfriend, Crazy Li’l Sister; 14-year-old doesn’t approve of brother’s prospective fiancée, so she bikes 11 miles and cuts her up:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3714685/Police-Girl-14-slits-teens-throat-hope-1st-kill.html

    I saw the victim’s hospital-bed photo because one of my many in-laws in the county was Facebook friends with the brother. But that shot isn’t yet Googlable. Just as well. Poor girl is messed up for life.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    That sister needs to be locked up forever. But she'll probably get the same kid glove treatment given to James Bulger's murderers.
  70. @celt darnell
    Or, as the even older joke had it -- there's two reasons why Jane Russell is a star...

    Or, as the even older joke had it — there’s two reasons why Jane Russell is a star…

    I remember a radio comic’s description of the Liz Taylor salad: a couple of stuffed tomatoes with too much dressing.

  71. @Clyde
    Hillary's white pantsuit is a bold visual for women. Hillary is saying to her prime targeted constituency, "I am pure and of pure purpose". An article in Brietbart says white is the color of coronations. When a woman is coronated. It also reeks of New Age flakiness done Hillary style with Huma input.
    ____
    Hillary’s White Pantsuit: the Color Monarchs Wear to Coronations
    Breitbart News · 3 hours ago
    White is the color monarchs wear to their coronations. In the Christian west, a coronation is a religious ceremony …

    I thought her pantsuit had literary connotations.

    “Hast seen the White Whale?”

    • Replies: @Clyde

    “Hast seen the White Whale?”
     
    Hillary's increasing heftiness was ridiculed by Michael Savage and others. The white pantsuit was supposed to counteract this.
  72. @celt darnell
    Or, as the even older joke had it -- there's two reasons why Jane Russell is a star...

    Didn’t Oscar Levant say about Jayne Mansfield, “Thanks for the mammaries”?

  73. @Reg Cæsar
    Now for Sane Girlfriend, Crazy Li'l Sister; 14-year-old doesn't approve of brother's prospective fiancée, so she bikes 11 miles and cuts her up:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3714685/Police-Girl-14-slits-teens-throat-hope-1st-kill.html

    I saw the victim's hospital-bed photo because one of my many in-laws in the county was Facebook friends with the brother. But that shot isn't yet Googlable. Just as well. Poor girl is messed up for life.

    That sister needs to be locked up forever. But she’ll probably get the same kid glove treatment given to James Bulger’s murderers.

  74. @SPMoore8
    Thank you! I was wondering why Univision (Mexican) would have an interest in The Onion (American). It turns out that Univision was bought by an Israeli, first. Not funny.

    The Israeli bought Univision from an Italian.

  75. @Kylie
    I thought her pantsuit had literary connotations.

    "Hast seen the White Whale?"

    “Hast seen the White Whale?”

    Hillary’s increasing heftiness was ridiculed by Michael Savage and others. The white pantsuit was supposed to counteract this.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    Are you kidding no question mark!
  76. @ATX Hipster
    Only white males have agency. It is known.

    “The Devil made me do it” is rapidly coming back as a valid defense for anyone who falls into a protected caste.

  77. @Clyde

    “Hast seen the White Whale?”
     
    Hillary's increasing heftiness was ridiculed by Michael Savage and others. The white pantsuit was supposed to counteract this.

    Are you kidding no question mark!

  78. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I heard about “Crazy Ex-Girlfriend” on NPR on day, so checked out a few of the songs on youtube.

    I think the “JAP Battle” rap battle was kind of interesting:

    Starting at about 2 min in, they have some lines in which they engage in moral virtue signaling competition by rapping about how liberal/progressive they are (ACLU members, are cool with black people), but at the end of that part they both say “but of course I support Israel” in a way that shows that they understand that supporting Israel has kind of fallen out of favor with many on the left. It was done in a way that kind of showed that their tribe trumped ideology. At least that is what it seemed like to me.

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