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Vox explains:

Housing segregation left Black Americans more vulnerable to Covid-19

Racist WWII housing policy might not sound like it has much to do with the coronavirus. But it does.

By Dylan Scott @dylanlscott [email protected] Jul 10, 2020, 4:38pm EDT

One thing hasn’t changed as a new surge of coronavirus cases has swelled across the United States: Black Americans continue to disproportionately get infected by and die from this novel pathogen. …

The George Floyd protests forced a difficult conversation about the trade-offs of congregating in large groups during a pandemic and the urgency of fixing structural inequities. But more than a month later, there is little evidence the protests contributed to a significant acceleration of the coronavirus’s spread. The health consequences of US inequality, however, are still being felt by Black (and Hispanic and Native) Americans during the worst pandemic of our lifetimes. …

After speaking last month with half a dozen Black scholars, I came to believe the best place to start in understanding how structural racism breeds racial health disparities is residential segregation. Where a person lives has direct health effects and, maybe as importantly, it will situate them for economic success or failure for the rest of their lives — which we also know is an important determinant for health.

… Residential segregation is one of the primary causes of health disparities
Every scholar I spoke with included residential segregation as a primary driver of racial health disparities — taken together, they identified it as maybe the primary driver.

… The culprit for racial housing segregation is what was called “redlining” during the mid-20th century.

When the Democrats get back in, there is going to be a huge push to boost falling urban real estate values by driving poor blacks out of their desirable locations in the cities and into Republican-leaning suburbs, exurbs, and the countryside. These programs of population transfers of poor blacks will be framed as being necessary for the health of blacks and as deserved punishment of racist whites.

 

 
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  1. Cortes says:

    You had me at “difficult conversation”.

    • Replies: @JohnnyD
  2. anon[665] • Disclaimer says:

    Is there a reason why republicans weren’t smart enough to do this to the other side first? How hard would it have been for Donald Trump and his republican congressional colleagues to claim they were going to fix black America’s problems by paying them reparations to move out of battleground states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida, and Virginia to upscale blue-voting areas? What defense would the left have had against this considering they are the party of environmentalism? Good environment should equal good outcome in their minds.

  3. Pour out an F for the best acct on Twitter.

    The bureacrat hath returned to the anonymity from which he came.

    I managed to run up 100 followers each on three consecutive accts over the past three weeks but seems like a good time to hang it up.

  4. newrouter says:

    > during the worst pandemic of our lifetimes. <

    lol it is nice to have the MEGAPHONE. lies, damn lies and journoLIST

  5. Blacks are bored in rural areas. They hate tranquil Nature. They wanna be where the action at in the citays.

    Sailer’s analysis be paranoid n sheet.

  6. Redlining has more long term negative social impact than the Holocaust, the bombing of Germany, the firebombing and atomic bomb drops on Japan, the Chinese Cultural Revolution, the carpet bombing of Vietnam etc. etc… It really is kind of amazing.

    • Replies: @DuanDiRen
  7. “Every scholar I spoke with included residential segregation as a primary driver of racial health disparities — taken together, they identified it as maybe the primary driver.”

    So scholars identified residential segregation as the primary driver of health differences between races, when residential segregation is considered together with *what*?

    Maybe it’s just my poor reading comprehension (a look at the original article did not help), but what is being taken together with what?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  8. Some years ago, a CDC study was released that showed that half of African American women between the ages of 14 and 19 had sexually transmitted diseases. After a reporter delivered the story on All Things Considered, the host asked him, “To what would you attribute this high number?”

    A momentary pause made me wonder, what can the reporter possibly say? That you tend to get a lot of STDs if you are sexually promiscuous and not very choosy? Then he said, “Uh, probably housing.”

    Housing. What can’t it explain?

  9. Anon[139] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: LA teachers union says they refuse to reopen city schools unless all charter schools are shut down and the police defunded. If the mayor had any balls, he’d just fire them all. Then he’d rehire teachers at half the salary–but only nonunion teachers. He’d also offer no pension to the new hires. They’d have to pay into social security for their pension.

    This would solve the LA teacher budget problem. You could get rid of every overpaid, troublesome minority teacher this way, and get rid of all the leftists. If the mayor was Republican, he’d welcome this because they’re setting themselves up perfectly for a fall.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/la-teachers-union-says-schools-cant-reopen-unless-charter-schools-get-shut-down-police

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Anonymous
    , @Jesse
    , @Neuday
  10. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    The real shame of America is FRONTLINING. Black criminality and violence turned neighborhoods into front lines of race war, always black-on-white.

    History of American real estate has been black attack and white flight.

    Blacks took so much prime territory built by whites and turned it into rubble. Look at Detroit.

  11. White People: The cause and the solution to all life’s problems.

  12. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    On the flip side, I noticed that formerly “segregated” white communities go on to experience significant upswings in being injured or killed by black people. Every scholar, and security gate salesman I spoke with included residential segregation as a primary driver of white longevity.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/american-murder-mystery/306872/

    • Replies: @guest007
  13. But more than a month later, there is little evidence the protests contributed to a significant acceleration of the coronavirus’s spread.

    Au contraire, there’s a lot of evidence for that.
    The graph of new Wuflu cases took a sharp turn upward exactly two weeks after the George Floyd “protests” began. See here (just scroll down a ways):
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    • Agree: Charlotte
  14. Hamilton says:

    Are you sure Blacks will be pushed into the suburbs?
    I hope it never happens.
    I grew up in suburbs and I hope it never changes.
    I live in Milton, GA.
    Many middle class Blacks live here and they are much better behaved than the “Inner City Youth”.

  15. Bill P says:

    If they push out too many blacks a lot of overpaid, very democrat-connected, contractors, transit workers, healthcare workers, park service employees, sanitation workers, police, EMTs, firemen, teachers and social workers will lose their jobs. In the north, you can’t just push blacks into places where the infrastructure for them doesn’t exist. If that could be done, they’d all be in some equivalent of Indian reservations already.

    Black people have a lot of needs that must be provided for them. They’re essentially a boutique demographic north of the Mason-Dixon line. White people are much, much cheaper. Even cheaper than Mexicans, truth be told. I’m pretty skeptical of the idea that the white peasants in the north can be replaced in a cost-effective manner, but maybe some governor will try and then we can all see the result.

  16. Has anyone given serious thought about what are the most vulnerable suburbs, and the safest?

  17. Abolish §8.

    I once knew a government worker who bought rentals in poor neighborhoods.

    The government paid his rents (mortgages) while he sat on the properties and waited for the neighborhoods to turn.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  18. DuanDiRen says:
    @Clifford Brown

    I live in Vietnam. My closest colleague here had her grandparents (They were both scholars) stripped of their property by the new Government in the 50s, and her parents were forced to leave Hanoi for a decade (!) to do “voluntary” teaching in the countryside. Yet her brother is a university lecturer in Sweden, and she is polyglot professor who has two side jobs (translating business and legal documents from VNese to Korean, and YA books from English to VNese). She has been saving money compulsively since she was a teenager, and her proudest achievement in life was buying her mother a small apartment.

    Fortunately, she was never exposed to redlining.

  19. Let’s all live with Negroes and we can teach them our ways. It’ll be great.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
  20. Hhsiii says:

    I’ve been trying to explain this to my wife. She wants to move to Middletown NJ, after I mentioned the school demographics to her. I don’t think it’ll last. They’ll be affirmatively furthering that place soon.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  21. @Hhsiii

    Don’t be so quick to discount your wife. Places like Middletown are very good at keeping things the way they are.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
  22. Daniel H says:

    OT: Why we can’t have nice things like social workers mediating domestic disputes.

    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/this-man-ambushed-and-murdered-two-officers-in-the-line-of-duty-saturday/

    • Replies: @Possumman
  23. @Harry Baldwin

    Housing. What can’t it explain?

    Well, Tyrone was evicted, so 14-year-old Wakanda just had to house him in her study bedroom. Unfortunately, she housed just a little too much of Tyrone.

  24. But wait, if Whites are so evil, why do blacks want to live in our neighborhoods?

    Reminds me of Michelle Obama’s childhood story of her family moving into a better (Whiter) Chicago neighborhood, but darn it, the evil Whites flighted away and “And they left communities in shambles”, meaning leaving it to the blacks, I presume.

  25. Hhsiii says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Gotta admit it was quite pleasant. We also hit Keansburg. Quite seedier but has its charms, especially while relatively empty due to Covid. My wife noted that the blacks actually seem less threatening than the whites (I told her that’s just surface). Lotta Trump signs up.

    • Replies: @Change that Matters
  26. The culprit for racial housing segregation is what was called “redlining” during the mid-20th century.

    At least three of the presidential statues in Rapid City were mildly vandalized at the beginning of this month– Jefferson, Reagan, and the second Bush. I didn’t want to be that petty myself, but it now occurs to me I could have bought some red duct tape and “redlined” FDR and Truman.

    I wonder if anyone would have gotten the joke.

  27. @Giancarlo M. Kumquat

    Let’s all live with Negroes and we can teach them our ways. It’ll be great.

    Let’s all live with negroes and they will teach us their ways.

    FIFY

  28. anon[174] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    He should first wait for them to refuse to reopen. Let them make the first move so they are seen as the aggressor. Then he should fire ALL of them who don’t show up but then agree to hire back half at full pay. First come, first serve. The other half are permanently banned from ever working in the county system again. Watch them turn on each other after about a week of not paying their bills.

  29. Clyde says:

    CHICAGO (WLS) — As Chicago continues to move forward with reopening amid the COVID-19 pandemic, violence also continues to plague the community.
    So far this weekend, 23 people have been shot, five fatally, as of Saturday evening.
    Those fatal shootings include a 15-year-old boy.

    ******* Your Chicago scorecard.

  30. J. Farmer says:

    You have to love the evidence Scott brings to bear on his argument, what an amorphous group of “half a dozen Black scholars” told him. I guess half a dozen sounds more impressive than six.

    Whenever I read articles like this, a question always occurs to me that never seems to occur to the writer. Ignoring any of the moral questions about segregation, why shouldn’t necessarily hinder black progress? Even if blacks were confined to a certain geographic perimeter, what was stopping them from creating functioning neighborhoods within those parameters? Of course the question is rhetorical. A trip through a contemporary black neighborhood gives some clues: Unkempt lawns, more trash in the street, dogs running loose, iron burglar bars on the windows and doors, though these aren’t as prevalent as they used to be.

    So the worst part of segregation is that it forces blacks to be around other blacks. But I’m guessing this was not Scott’s takeaway. Similarly, to someone like Scott, “white flight” was cruel whites abandoning their homes out of irrational hatred for black bodies. Instead, it was mostly whites leaving neighborhoods that were deteriorating as a result of the influence of those same blacks.

  31. Whiskey says: • Website

    Garcetti will cave. He will defund the police, and shut down the charter schools. Of course, this will create White flight or homeschooling (until Newsom bans it as illegal). Then more White flight. LA and LA County will be exclusively non-White, save for the ultra wealthy in Malibu and Bel Aire and the Hollywood Hills.

    That’s the whole point of course. The state neither wants nor needs White taxpayers. Newsom is counting on endless bailouts from the coming wipeout of Republicans and their total replacement by Democrats. If you believe the polls of a thirty point Biden lead now which most Democrats seem to believe are real and valid. Biden won’t even bother campaigning or debating, its in the bag and California, New York, Illinois will be made whole. Other funds can be made up by taxing Silicon Valley and Hollywood. Real power does not lie with money, it lies with officialdom. Its why Putin is so rich and his oligarchs get with the program or get the Knights Templar treatment. Its one thing for Twitter to punish Joe Average White person. Quite another to refuse to pay up to blm or other secret police operations.

    The LAPD is a goner though. Garcetti will defund them. He has always caved to the loony left. Los Angeles will be a CHAZ type war zone, and as a consequence Hollywood will simply leave. Where it will go is an open question. Europe? New Zealand, Toronto, or Vancouver are all possibilities. But you can’t shoot movies, tv shows, etc. in what amounts to a war zone absent the police.

    Anyway, with credit tight, a collapsing economy, White flight is now impossible. Remove flight, you get fight.

    I know blacks especially have contempt for White people, particularly White men. Who they view as unmanly, unable to fight, wimpy, easy marks, and lacking any testosterone. The same is true of upper class White views of White Dirt People. This was the view largely of the British at the start of the Second World War in the Pacific towards the Japanese. Perhaps they are right. Or perhaps even a Nice White Lady will be capable of the most appalling things to save her granite counter tops. I honestly don’t know.

    I DO know those ex LAPD guys who will have essentially no pension all of a sudden will not suddenly drop off the face of the Earth. They will continue to exist, working as shoe salesmen, or Grubhub delivery people, or something like that with a fraction of their pay and benefits and no options as America gets rid of its police. Well, there is no possibility of THAT every well, “Breaking Bad”

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
  32. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    “Every scholar I spoke with included residential segregation as a primary driver of racial health disparities — taken together, they identified it as maybe the primary driver.”

    We whites are powerful. We oppress with our whiteness by being around them. And we oppress blacks by … not being around them!

    Anyone else get a “bullshit” vibe.

    ~~

    Let me try and clear this up:

    — Slavery, serfdom, forced labor, death camps, murder, rape, assault–actual oppression; loss of freedom and/or actual injury.

    — The Golfocaust, Harvard quotas, Pale of Settlement, redlining, not letting you immigrate to their nation, not wanting to do business with you, not baking a cake for your faggy wedding, not agreeing to go to the prom with you … — not oppression.

    May be unpleasant for you. May not be what you consider “fair”. But no one is required to love you, even to like you, or to want you around. You are still free. Free to build on your own–which is what people, groups, with ability and gumption do.

    BTW, same goes for whites. Blacks, Jews, browns, Asians raining down their white hate–not oppression. (I get it. We built this joint into something awesome without you and that truth is annoying to some people.) The oppression is not the hate, but having to be serfs to provide nice things for you. I.e. the oppression is not being able to separate, and be allowed to build and have and enjoy the fruits of our labor, the good stuff we build, ourselves. To be denied freedom of association–i.e. freedom.

    As some dude once said: “Let my people go!”

  33. @Charles St. Charles

    Wealthy blacks love the white lifestyle but hate whites.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  34. @Hhsiii

    My wife noted that the blacks actually seem less threatening than the whites

    If only it were true.

    • Replies: @bruce county
  35. Anonymous[237] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    Pour out an F for the best acct on Twitter.

    The bureacrat hath returned to the anonymity from which he came.

    Why?

    I managed to run up 100 followers each on three consecutive accts over the past three weeks but seems like a good time to hang it up.

    Why?

    We need Ricky Vaughn in times like these.

  36. Anonymous[237] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    OT: LA teachers union says they refuse to reopen city schools unless all charter schools are shut down

    Good. Charter schools should be shut down.

    • Agree: Jesse
    • Disagree: Ron Mexico
  37. @J. Farmer

    Wow. A media guy talked to six diversity “scholars” and they told him about the same talking points they have been reading about in the media.

    It’s like a self-reinforcing group that thinks the same. Someone should coin a word for that.

  38. @Desiderius

    Pour out an F for the best acct on Twitter.

    Relax. Unless I missed a farewell sign-off, @CityBureaucrat most likely only deactivated for a while. He does that from time to time.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  39. The desire of white people to live away from black people is rarely examined calmly. It is always denounced as a vicious product of white racist paranoia. But suppose it’s really quite simple. Suppose that white people generally are far happier and more at ease when black people aren’t around. Suppose– God forbid! — that white people will always be this way. Does it make sense, then, for white people to support coercive laws to force them to do what they don’t want to do? Is that what decency requires? A never-ending submission to unpleasantness? An eternal prohibition on doing what they’d prefer to do?

    • Agree: unit472, bruce county
  40. When the Democrats get back in ….

    I must have missed something. When did the Dems actually lose power?

  41. “The George Floyd protests forced a difficult conversation about…”

    You gotta hand to the lefty scribblers: they do the best euphemisms in the trade. “A difficult conversation” — for you, very “difficult” to watch your business looted and burned down: for BLM “protestors,” disappointment when the Nikes, Gap Kids and Patagonia stuff doesn’t fit right.

  42. unit472 says:

    Like most leftist ideologues, Dylan Scott is trying to pound the conventional wisdom through the round hole of reality. The truth is covid has become more a hispanic problem than a negro one. In North Carolina e.g , hispanics comprise 45% of that states infections but only 10% of the population. In Florida heavily hispanic Miami Dade comprises 12% of the states population but 25% of the Covid cases. Even more telling are the rural areas of Florida where farm workers are concentrated. Hendry County, e.g., has but 40,000 residents but almost Navajo levels of infection with 1163 cases of covid recorded. The Immokalee area of Collier County, almost all hispanic farm workers has over 1700 cases in one Zip Code.

    We see the same concentration of cases among hispanics in California and Texas too. Of course one reason is the hispanic community has not seen the sort of disintegration of family life as the negro. It is not uncommon for three generations of hispanics to live in a single ( crowded) household. The parents work in the very industries most prone to infection ( food service, meat packing, construction, stoop labor in the fields etc.) and bring the virus home with them and infect the entire household. Pretty hard to avoid when you have 8 to 10 people living a single apartment or trailer.

    Finally there is no question that the Floyd riots and demonstrations spread the virus. One has only to examine the data from Oregon. Before Floyd Oregon has almost eradicated the virus having fewer than 50 cases per day. By late June cases had increased to over 200 per day. Yesterday they hit over 400!

    https://www.kptv.com/news/oregon-health-authority-reports-409-new-covid-19-cases-no-new-deaths/article_b552686e-c3ad-11ea-be38-5bd0752f6170.html

    The outbreaks are concentrated in Multnomah, Clackamas and Washington Counties ( Metro Portland) Marion County ( Salem) where there were also large demonstrations and Utamilla where the outbreak originated in a Food processing facility.

  43. “Where a person lives has direct health effects and, maybe as importantly, it will situate them for economic success or failure for the rest of their lives — which we also know is an important determinant for health.”

    Opinion journalism of the Vox variety now apparently requires that you bear down hard on the stunningly obvious stated as if its a discovery on the order of Newton’s 3rd law. Gosh, now I know why the commies had to evacuate Chernobyl.

  44. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles St. Charles

    Reminds me of Michelle Obama’s childhood story of her family moving into a better (Whiter) Chicago neighborhood, but darn it, the evil Whites flighted away and “And they left communities in shambles”, meaning leaving it to the blacks, I presume.

    That is one of my favourite stories. It isn’t often you can get a black public figure like M. Obama to publicly endorse white neighbourhoods without their even being aware of it.

  45. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Last time he left it up and just didn’t post for a month. He’d just liked a reply where I talked about using burner accts to lay low so some chance he’d do that at some pt, but he was getting direct dox threats from blackpillers.

    FWIW, I wasn’t getting near the lvl of doxxing threats from wokels on the third acct as I got on the first.

  46. Jesse says:
    @Anon

    They’re not wrong on the charters, though, although they’re obviously catastrophically wrong on the police.

    How much of Wokeness is putting all the reasonable complaints in with utter BS, in a package everyone is mean to accept or reject totally? That way, everyone loses focus and normies walk away or – worse – get protective of what they see as the pre-Woke status quo. (See all the conservatives getting protective of capitalism, and edgelord preening that also alienates normal people.)

  47. Dan Smith says:
    @J. Farmer

    Here in the vibrant, diverse Twin Cities, we get it both ways. Redlining kept blacks from moving into desirable parts of the city, like Kenwood where Mary Tyler Moore lived. At the same time, the paradise of an all-black neighborhood in St Paul, called Rondo, was razed so I94 could pass through. Whitey never gives the black man a fair shake!

  48. Anonymous[341] • Disclaimer says:
    @Abolish_public_education

    I once knew a government worker who bought rentals in poor neighborhoods.

    The government paid his rents (mortgages) while he sat on the properties and waited for the neighborhoods to turn.

    Can you explain to us how this asserted system of government-paid rents works?

  49. usNthem says:

    I swear, there is simply nothing that is the fault of joggers and isn’t the fault of Whites. What a god awful anchor around our neck.

  50. Anonymous[341] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    Pour out an F for the best acct on Twitter.

    The very best? We have to consider Steve’s in that category, especially when he engages with blue checks and other accounts.

  51. Possumman says:
    @Daniel H

    We are going to need a lot more social workers.

  52. Art Deco says:

    Scott is a J-school graduate who knows nothing about anything but the mechanics of the news business. That he writes stupid things is no surprise. The staff ideology of the outlets which have employed him don’t allow for common sense.

    If he weren’t stupid, it would occur to him to form his hypotheses by running down a list of observable differences between subpopulations which promote the transmission of disease and are associated with bad outcomes. (Conversational styles which include more aspiration, prevalence of three-generation households, use of city buses, prevalence in service positions where you talk to strangers, body mass index, more eccentric responses to medical advice, &c).

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  53. Leo D says:

    I’m surprised (not really) that no one has recast the liberal trope of ‘redlining’ along with all of the other liberal arguments regarding schooling, working, etc.

    Isn’t their ENTIRE argument essentially that blacks cannot be successful, healthy, educated, ALIVE, etc. unless removed from the proximity of other blacks, and put amidst whites?

    Problem is, you cannot put too many beets into the soup before it is ruined. I don’t think there is enough soup around to take all the beets…

    Hmmm…

    • Replies: @Hiop
  54. gregor says:
    @J. Farmer

    They also say that banks wouldn’t lend to blacks (or not on favorable terms). And this made it hard for blacks to own homes and build equity. And they say this makes it hard for blacks to accumulate net worth, etc. because the property values are depressed. Meanwhile whites enjoy the extravagant privilege of paying an arm and a leg to live in a white area. And this supposedly has a snowball effect over time with whites accumulating more and more wealth each generation.

    Another point to add to yours is that there have been lots of minority lending initiatives in the past few decades and it didn’t really improve much. If the liberals were serious, they would try to measure the amount of discrimination and see how it changes over time. But declines in discrimination don’t much improve blacks outcomes all that much so they have to come up with more excuses, like it must be the residual effects of redlining and slavery.

    The reality is that blacks are a poor credit risk even controlling for income because of their high time preference, among other characteristics. Black income is artificially propped up with affirmative action, public sector employment, and welfare, yet the median black net worth is close to zero. Blacks don’t save much money and have far lower net worth than a white person at the same income level. Blacks spend more on consumer items like luxury cars and designer clothes. And blacks that come into a bit of money are often impoverished by friends and relatives looking for handouts. Even NBA players struggle to avoid bankruptcy. Black neighborhoods have lower property values because there are people dealing drugs and getting shot, loud music, sirens at all hours, etc. All “financing” does is allow blacks to move into nicer neighborhoods, ruin them, and default on their loans.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  55. guest007 says:
    @Anonymous

    The problem with your concern is that Republicans have blow off any concern about death, hospitilization, or injury while trying to bolster President Trump’s insanity concerning Covid-19.

    How can any politician on the right claim that crime is a huge concern when they have stated for the last three months that Covid-19 is just the flu, that the cure is worse than the disease, and that 250k deaths by election day is just the cost of doing business?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  56. Neuday says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Blacks are bored in rural areas. They hate tranquil Nature. They wanna be where the action at in the citays.

    Foster parents of a 17-year-old Black boy took him camping in Eastern Oregon, which is very rural.

    He promptly drowned.

    I expect more Blacks drown then get shot by cops. I can’t breathe, indeed.

    https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/regional/oregon-teen-who-went-missing-while-camping-found-dead/277-3c882821-67aa-456f-b486-4adf37560d13

    • Replies: @bruce county
    , @TTSSYF
  57. guest007 says:

    Why can;t a single conservative ever point out that more than 2/3’s of the housing that currently exist in the U.S. was built after the Fair Housing Act was passed, that Latino life expectancy has gone past black life expectancy, and that racial convenients in housing deeds have been unenforcable for more than 70 years.

    If conservatives want to win any debates on redlining, they have to stop adopting that progressives framing and remind everyone that it is not 1967 anymore.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @AnotherDad
  58. Neuday says:
    @Anon

    According to wikipedia, during the 2011-2012 school year, the most recent year available, non-Hispanic Whites comprised 10.1% of the LAUSD school district. It’s likely much less now. Shutting down the Charter Schools is likely little more than a means to force the Whites and affluent Asians and Hispanics into the system. Somehow I expect the Jewish private schools to be exempt.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
  59. @Change that Matters

    Chris Rock lives in the same neighborhood as JayZ, Eddie Murphy, and Mary J Blige. He thinks it is sinister that all of their neighbors are white.

  60. @Change that Matters

    My wife noted that the blacks actually seem less threatening than the whites

    Yet you still call her your wife. LOL…

    • Replies: @hhsiii
  61. @Neuday

    Was he adopted by Vietnamese parents.???
    Is some black relative going to come forward now and sue the foster parents.?
    I can just imagine there are lawyers out hunting for the kids real family members to just that.
    There are always people to wanting to win the ghetto lottery. And just as many willing to help them do so. Societies bottom feeders aiding bottom feeders.

  62. Art Deco says:
    @gregor

    A simpler counterpoint to TN Coates et al is that building up home equity is not the only way one can store value. What’s crucial in accumulating property is that one’s personal income exceed one’s consumption and that one’s assets not depreciate.

    Here’s a brain squeezer: what injured asset accumulation among blacks more, redlining or the effect of the 1966-82 inflation on people who put their money into U.S. Savings Bonds and passbook savings accounts?

  63. Art Deco says:
    @guest007

    It’s more pronounced than that. Restrictive covenants on deeds first appeared around 1910 (and were commonly aimed at restricting property sales to Jews) and the redlining was incorporated into mortgage insurance schemes first implemented in 1937. They’ve been gone a good deal longer than they were ever in place.

    • Replies: @bruce county
  64. @Art Deco

    Google Shelley vs. Kraemer.
    SBPDL has a story on it in its archives.

  65. @Whiskey

    Whiskey, you always present the Hegelian antithesis, which is instructive, I suppose. I would expect that LA gets the synthesis. All this defund the police nonsense is the Dem politicians choosing the teacher unions over the police unions. Robbing Peter to pay Paul with regards to pensions and union contracts. Blacks are just useful idiots in the whole conflict.

  66. @anon

    Republicans live in those same areas and that would require them fucking with their friends’ money. Democrats carve out downtown palaces in penthouses with private security. They can do the same thing to their neighbors and not be reviled.

  67. @guest007

    The problem with your concern is that Republicans have blow off any concern about death, hospitilization, or injury while trying to bolster President Trump’s insanity concerning Covid-19.

    How can any politician on the right claim that crime is a huge concern when they have stated for the last three months that Covid-19 is just the flu, that the cure is worse than the disease, and that 250k deaths by election day is just the cost of doing business?

    guest007, this is the Devil–i’ve just hijacked AnotherDad’s hanle for convenience–

    I’ve got a bargain for you:

    I will protect you from the Xi virus, from any other virus, in fact from any natural malady of the body beyond normal aging, throughout all the days of your lifespan.

    But in return, you must live your life in a black neighborhood.

    Deal?

    • Replies: @guest007
  68. JohnnyD says:
    @Cortes

    “Difficult Conversation” = Shut up and do what we say, you evil racists.

  69. @anon

    b h o had a special HUD program created to move very low income folks (Black and brown) into much higher income (White?) residential areas by having HUD pay the full freight of their rental.

    Needless to say … it wasn’t very popular with the folks who had to deal with drastically increased crime and general social disturbance.

  70. By jove, guvnah! I believe you’ve cracked it!

    Always the money angle with our saviors.

  71. @guest007

    Why can;t a single conservative ever point out that more than 2/3’s of the housing that currently exist in the U.S. was built after the Fair Housing Act was passed, that Latino life expectancy has gone past black life expectancy, and that racial convenients in housing deeds have been unenforcable for more than 70 years.

    If conservatives want to win any debates on redlining, they have to stop adopting that progressives framing and remind everyone that it is not 1967 anymore.

    That’s decidedly *not* the conservatives problem.

    There is no substantive debate on redlining. It’s just the latest minoritarian talking point trying to blame black dysfunction on whitey.

    There are a heavenly host of conservatives singing the praises of MLK, touting “colorblindness” and denouncing all the evils of the past–including DRR (Democrats the Real Racists).

    What conservatives continually fail to do–are too timid to do–is blow up this whole evil minoritarian ideology.

    As long as Jewish minoritarianism–minorities virtuous oppressed, majorities evil, oppressive–reigns, conservatives are a punching bag. Blacks will continue to lag across a bunch of social and economic indices, including committing huge amounts of crime and ergo having huge numbers of arrests and prosecutions and convicts… and it must all be oppressive, racist whitey’s fault … and require new rounds of “progressive” bullying state intervention (against whitey) to fix.

    “Colorblindness” or “That was way back in 1967” doesn’t do squat.

    The only way out is to destroy minoritarianism wholesale. Conservatives–who actually want to conserve something, anything–must confront and destroy it:

    — Different groups of people do not have the same natural endowments and will not behave the same way, nor have the success educationally, economically, socially.

    — Diversity is not a strength. It’s what people have in common that makes a group–a neighborhood, a nation–strong. Diversity means difference, which means jealousies and conflict. And then engenders a bossy, freedom trampling super-state, meddling ever more intrusively to “manage” the conflict. Which is why “progressives” and “Democrats” love diversity. And Wall Street and rich elites love diversity as well–they control the system and diversity means working and middle class people can never unify to demand a better deal.

    — The white majority has absolutely no obligation to coddle minorities. Whites have the right to look after their own interests, their families’ interests and live their lives as they wish according to their own norms, values and culture.

    In fact, as the majority–and founding race–of this nation, they have the right to see their norms, values and culture be public norms, values and culture of our nation. (The whole “majority rule” idea.) Minority groups who do not like whites and white American values, should form their own separate communities where their values and culture can dominate. Or if they are immigrants … they should just go home and live according to their own desires among their own people.

    We need conservative politicians and progandists who don’t just bleat “all lives matter”, but who are willing to speak truths–“white lives matter”, “diversity is a weakness”, “America is nice–free and prosperous–because of white people”–and take on this whole minoritarian project and expose it for the bunch of lies it is.

  72. Hiop says:
    @Leo D

    It seems the only solution would be to have more White people, and less blacks.

  73. TTSSYF says:
    @Neuday

    OT, but while watching “Shrek” the other night, I was startled and amused to hear Donkey / Eddie Murphy, at one point, say repeatedly, “I can’t breathe!” That movie is nearly 20 years old.

  74. guest007 says:
    @AnotherDad

    So you believe that saying that living around blacks is worse than dying is a winning political positions and that will lead to conservatives having majorities in the government.

    If President Trump had any political chops, he would have over responded to Covid-19, not tried to use any cute terms for it, and used the response to make changes elsewhere in the government. However, President Trump focused on the STock Market, tried to half step the response to Covid-19, use Covid-19 to further his personal grudges, and tried to use cute, insulting nicknames.

    Maybe when conservatives understand that calling Covid-19 the WuFlu those conservatives immediately alienate more than half their audience, politics will finally change in the U.S. Trying to be cute, blame jews, and what to roll back civil rights is a loser from the beginning in the U.S.

  75. @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    They’re not being moved to rural areas, though- big cities with Neeg Fatigue are encouraging blacks to move to smaller regional cities. The waitlist for Section 8 “housing choice” vouchers is deliberately long in Chicagoland whitopia, and the bureaucrats there are quick to suggest the Quad Cities, Dubuque, Madison, etc. etc. as alternatives.

    It’s worked exactly as intended: in the Midwestern case, there isn’t a single smaller city left that doesn’t have the problems of Life Matterers. It’s biological warfare against white lumpenproles.

  76. @anon

    The sanctuary cities would be a good start. California also needs a few million more Blacks to get to 12% Black. Not fair that only 7% of Californians are black, while the average state is 14% Black. It would be difficult to get them to move out to CA without giving them significant money.

    Even the Obama plan to move blacks into wealthy areas would not have sent a single black family into Malibu. The “wealthy” areas they send the blacks to would be the few remaining white working class neighborhoods.

  77. @Harry Baldwin

    How do they explain the lower rates of STDs among Hispanics in America ?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  78. Once–just once–I would love to see a housing project erected in one of the top ten exclusive communities. It would make for a great comedy, albeit black comedy (pun intended). Call it “The Homies Meet Beacon Hill”.

  79. When the Democrats get back in, there is going to be a huge push to boost falling urban real estate values by driving poor blacks out of their desirable locations in the cities

    Not if Republicans preemptively give them the inner cities in perpetuity, using reparations as a justification.

    Admittedly, though, I’m not set on a specific way to structure such an arrangement. Subsidizing poor blacks’ purchases of their residences doesn’t do much if they can immediately re-sell to gentrifiers; putting a “community organization” in charge of keeping the neighborhood black would create a class of black elite absentee landlords.

  80. hhsiii says:
    @bruce county

    You probably haven’t been to Keansburg. She’s a pretty sharp observer, and emphasis on “seem”. The lethargy of a hot day. Not like she’s put it to the test.

  81. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Probably the same way–“housing.” It doesn’t have to makes sense.

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