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From the New York Times:

American history textbooks can differ across the country, in ways that are shaded by partisan politics.

By Dana Goldstein
Design by Adriana Ramic
Jan. 12, 2020

Public school history textbooks in California are basically Hurray for the Goodies, Boo for the Baddies, while in Texas not so much.

… White resistance to black progress is covered differently in the two states. …

Whole paragraphs on redlining and restrictive deeds appear only in the California editions of textbooks, partly as a result of different state standards. Texas’ social studies guidelines do not mention housing discrimination at all.

… Nevertheless, Kerry Green, a high school social studies teacher in Sunnyvale, Tex., a small town east of Dallas, said she discussed redlining with her 11th graders, adding it as a counterpoint to lessons about postwar prosperity — the optimistic story of consumerism, television and the Baby Boom that is emphasized by her state’s standards.

 
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  1. nebulafox says:

    I attended public school in both states. I can confirm that the history textbooks are none-too-subtly different and show the political colorations in the background. Even back then, I could tell, and I was no precocious political cynic.

    What they manage to share, of course, is not doing a very good job of imparting history, particularly non-US history. We learned nothing about classical antiquity. We learned next to nothing about the Middle Ages or the Renaissance. Even 20th Century history was often reduced to a blurb, often repeating the same subjects every year. I still find myself self-teaching things that counterparts elsewhere learned over a decade ago. Everything of most of my teachers, not because of them. Some of them were sports coaches and whatnot who saw it as a side gig.

    (And come HS, I basically managed to BS my way to 5s on the AP exams without studying at all in a way I never could with, say, physics. Some of the classes I didn’t even take because I already knew there’d be no point, I could just take the exam at the end of year and do good enough to get college credit. And again: I’m no genius, I was far from the only kid who did this.)

    Good teachers do exist, bless them. But they are fighting a hard, uphill battle outside of the superzips.

  2. It would be great if they would re-introduce shop classes and teach torque.

    Instead, they teach that every moron has to graduate and go to college. Heaven forbid he should ever learn a useful skill he is capable of using to make money.

  3. Anonymous[263] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Race isn’t real but “heritage” is, and culture is downstream from it.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-51065910

    ‘I want an egg donor with my heritage’

    When Natasha and her husband had difficulty conceiving a child, doctors gave her two pieces of bad news. The first was that she would need to find a donor egg. The second was that Afro-Caribbean eggs are rarely donated.

    … “My heritage is Caribbean. My grandparents on both sides of the family are both from the Caribbean… it was important to me to at least have some cultural connection with the child, and I felt that if it was from a different heritage, I may not…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  4. songbird says:

    They blame Detroit on redlining: (from wikipedia)

    This era of intolerance made it almost impossible for African Americans to be successful without access to proper housing or the economic stability to maintain their homes and the conditions of many neighborhoods began to decline.

  5. @Buzz Mohawk

    Seriously, why don’t they teach real job skills in high school?

    -Shop (wood, metals, drafting, automotive repair, electronics, robotics)
    -Software coding
    -Accounting & financial literacy
    -Nursing & Medical skills

    They could create some certification tests. If you pass one, you get hooked up with a private sector job. The govt could even subsidize the student’s employment for the first couple years.

    If more training is needed, the govt could subsidize further classes while the post-HS student works part-time.

    Seems like a common sense way to create a skilled workforce with high output, decrease college debt and competition, increase youth employment, and actually get bored high school students into something that is RELEVANT to their future lives.

  6. Whiskey says: • Website
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Why bother teaching that stuff? Pajeet and Chen will do it for half the current rate.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  7. Cato says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    As Charles Murray has advocated, most preparation for the job market could consist of vocational training culminating with a certification exam. It would work for everything from plumbing to medicine. Only a minority of students (Murray estimates about 1%) really benefit from a liberal arts college education (literature, history, philosophy), where one learns the cultural foundations of our civilization.

  8. istevefan says:

    partly as a result of different state standards.

    I guess the authors don’t understand that we have a highly decentralized school system in the USA in which a multitude of public school districts, along with many private schools, exist in each state. Further, the local school districts are highly influenced by the parents in each district, and the the private schools cater to specific clienteles.

    Additionally, we have a somewhat competitive market for school textbooks in which several publishers publish competing books for each subject matter at each grade level from which the aforementioned public and private schools are free to choose.

    So is it all that surprising that kids don’t get the exact same lessons across various states? I doubt they even get the same lessons across the same state, or large metro area.

    Throw in the various books used in the growing home school movement, and you will really get some differences.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @MBlanc46
  9. Anonymous[381] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Well, one thing for sure, California has no need for redlining anymore since it has brownlining and yellowlining to create a buffer/distance between white elites and blacks.

  10. @JohnnyWalker123

    In Chicago, DeVry is also a High School. You can actually get a CCNA certification and come out ready for a job in IT.

  11. @JohnnyWalker123

    Careful, you’re making too much sense.

    Stop Making Sense

    • LOL: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  12. Blacks lack the cognitive ability to handle their own money well, so redlining protected them from taking on ruinous debts they couldn’t repay.

    • Replies: @AUSA(ret)
  13. @nebulafox

    I wouldn’t be too sanguine about the superzips either. The graduate-level History curricula I encountered at a turn-of-the-century Ivy were already stunningly degraded.

  14. @JohnnyWalker123

    Seriously, why don’t they teach real job skills in high school?

    Agree. Add practical legal concepts. And maybe even how to interact with a lawyer and other professionals to get your money’s worth.

    Also, some basic background in negotiating would be nice. Such as buying a car, house or bargaining over salary. Fom a realistic basis, not some pie-in-the-sky liberal fantasy.

  15. @istevefan

    The authors are paid to not understand.

  16. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    As long as I dont have to live in the Caribbean among them that is.

  17. @songbird

    the conditions of many neighborhoods began to decline.

    The condition of many Detroit neighborhoods went into steep decline when some of their residents burned them to the ground in 1967.

    • Agree: songbird
  18. @Buzz Mohawk

    Alternatively, we could offer debate classes.

  19. Progressivism marches toward a centralized totalitarian government which standardizes ideological conformity from sea to sea.

    This is a point and sputter article, advocating for political commissars to stamp out deplorable non-conformity.

    Check the source. Not an American.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  20. @nebulafox

    I have to say, sadly, that American curricula have been pathetic for a long time. At least half a century, as far as I can tell.

    Why do I say this? I grew up and attended schools in places that you would say had “good schools” (i.e. good families with good kids). Maybe we were in what you would call “superzips” now. (I don’t know and I don’t care, because I don’t care for buzz terms like that.)

    My wife saved some of her math books from elementary, middle and high school in Romania. We have them here. She has also described school in the 1970s and 1980s there to me. They were YEARS ahead of our best students here. I was the brightest student in every school I attended until I imploded. My curriculum was YEARS behind what she had in an Eastern Bloc country. From her I have learned just how stupid, pathetic and inane ALL of our curricula are here.

    Maybe there are exceptions, but those are under attack, in New York City for example.

    American schooling has, as far as I can tell, ALWAYS been awful. Whatever success we achieve is in spite of it.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  21. @Whiskey

    My plan, of course, would have 2 more parts to it.

    1. Extremely strict limits on “skilled worker” visas (H-1B, L1, B1, OPT, etc), especially for foreign IT.
    2. High tarrifs on foreign-goods, which will push up demand for domestic manufacturing labor.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
  22. @JohnnyWalker123

    Oh God, I’ve seen those. Unbelievable.

  23. @nebulafox

    I agree, I really wish there was more classical/medieval history taught. I think one of the subtle reasons we as Americans have bollixed up our nation so badly is that we started to believe the U.S. was sui generis, as opposed to a branch or continuation of Western Civilization.

    If you look at the U.S. as an extension of Western Civilization (or Christendom or whatever you want to call it), then it becomes obvious why you should not admit infinity brown people: because that’s not who we are. The problem is Americans got too big for their britches and decided that they transcended their roots, so now the most basic questions (like who gets to be an American) get totally unmoored from any sort of cultural or historical realilty and sink into a morass of byzantine economic and philosophical arguments. What is the correct number of H1-Bs to admit if they could code a solution to the number of angels that could dance on the head of a pin?

    You can see this shift happening in the built environment–the founding stock builds everything using neoclassical architecture. Then starting in the mid 20th century we have to throw that out a 3000 year old tradition because reasons and now what you want is the concrete box. Or glass box, also good. You can see it in art, all sorts of things.

    • Agree: XYZ (no Mr.), Lurker, Hail
    • Replies: @SFG
    , @XYZ (no Mr.)
    , @Joe Stalin
  24. Kronos says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Just make your own money at home. If you do this you can make $8000 per day easy.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  25. What ‘Livability’ Looks Like for Black Women

    Pittsburgh, one of the best cities for (average) whites, finishes last for black women.

    DC, surprise, surprise, finishes on top.

    The author, one “Brentin Mock”, insists on comparing black women’s prospects to those of white men. I guess comparing them to black men’s, or white women’s, would deflate his point. Whatever it may be.

  26. @Kronos

    Careful. You could get in trouble “making” your own money.

    BTW I saw my share of counterfeit, at work in the past. Most all of it is easy to detect. Whatever isn’t is probably still out there circulating. American money is a beautiful thing. Even though it is not as pretty as many foreign currencies, it has a depth and feel, and even a cloth paper, that you don’t find elsewhere.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @MBlanc46
  27. Roger says:

    Go ahead and teach redlining, as long as the info is accurate, and the reasons for the redlining are given. What typically happens when a lot of black people move into the neighborhood?

  28. SFG says:
    @SimpleSong

    The hideous glass and concrete boxes were imported from Europe, I’m afraid. Remember Brutalism and Bauhaus?

    Barzun blamed WW1. I think he may have been onto something.

    And the USA actually is better at turning immigrants into Americans than Europe is at turning immigrants into Europeans. However, its powers are not infinite, and nowadays nobody in power even wants to try.

  29. @nebulafox

    . . . White resistance to Black progress . . .

    Yeah, that’s not a loaded way to frame “the facts” of history or anything. How about teaching about “Black resistance to Black progress despite all the efforts by White people to advance them?”

    Maybe public school history should just steer clear of using taxpayer dollars to blame one ethnic group or another for the world’s problems. Unless each group gets equal time to blame the others, anyway.

    Besides, if kids want to learn anti-white history they can just read the New York Times. I’m sure they have a special student-propaganda discount.

  30. @JohnnyWalker123

    Seriously, why don’t they teach real job skills in high school?

    -Shop (wood, metals, drafting, automotive repair, electronics, robotics)
    -Software coding
    -Accounting & financial literacy
    -Nursing & Medical skills

    Because the school day is already full teaching the 3 R’s. They can learn your shit on their own time. Robotics and Metal Shop? WGAF? That sounds like torture.

    • Agree: Inquiring Mind
    • Replies: @M_Young
    , @West Reanimator
    , @GU
  31. @SFG

    And the USA actually is better at turning immigrants into Americans than Europe is at turning immigrants into Europeans.

    Bricker and Ibbitson in Empty Planet agree with this, but go further to say that their Canada surpasses even us– because, in their words, Canada is a failure as a nation. Hmm…

    They also told a Swedish bureaucrat that her country’s humanitarian rationale for immigration is the opposite of theirs, which is entirely selfish.

  32. @Cato

    Only a minority of students (Murray estimates about 1%) really benefit from a liberal arts college education

    The degradation of the once-great universities ensures that even 1% don’t “benefit” today.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Desiderius
  33. Why you clueless cognitive dissonances on here suddenly all enamoured with “History” of all things? I thought you hated “History.” Along with “English,” and, I don’t know, French, I guess, and social studies, and anything that isn’t computers or building bridges or other manly type stuff.

    You’re such tools. You whine about getting rid of everything but STEM. Then you whine “bring us back our Quasimodo!”

  34. @SFG

    True, many of the styles originated in Europe, LeCourbusier, etc, so maybe not a great example. But stepping back, I’m just talking about the rejection of historical tradition in general. Or more specifically, the flippant or pointless rejection of historical tradition. Obviously sometimes things need to change but tread lightly…

    It’s not a unique affliction to the U.S., but it is worse here, and I think some of Europe’s current malaise comes from a U.S. source; of course the outsize US influence is tied up with the denoument of the World Wars.

    • Replies: @SFG
  35. I had Ancient history in 7th grade. And Medieval. And got a lot out of it. Wrote a paper, with footnotes typed at the bottom of the page, on Attila the Hun. My hero.

    And I read the Hunchback when I was eleven.

    Where did you go to school?

    • Replies: @Pericles
  36. M_Young says:
    @ScarletNumber

    I loved our combined shop class which was required when I was in 9th grade (three year ‘junior high’). We had a few weeks of drafting, about 6 weeks of woodshop, 6 weeks of metal shop. Actually made several things.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  37. Anon[398] • Disclaimer says:

    Daisy Goldstein! Why did she change her adorable name after she graduated from college?

  38. @JohnnyWalker123

    Steve was recently asking “who are the heavyweight intellectuals of wokeness?” Was he aware of these individuals?

  39. black sea says:
    @SFG

    It’s fairly easy to turn immigrants into Americans because not that much is expected. If you pull your weight and stay out of trouble, you’re halfway there. Learn passable English and you’re nearly home.

    You may not get any further, but with luck your kids will complete the process. Viola, new Americans.

    • Replies: @GU
    , @(((Owen)))
    , @SFG
  40. @SimpleSong

    Absolutely. Of course, viewing America ahistorically is necessary for the smooth operation of the ‘nation of immigrants’ nonsense. I do disagree though: transcending our roots sounds arrogant, from what I’ve directly seen and heard, many Americans claim we have no culture, because they have been repeatedly taught that lie — and having no culture of course is effectively the same as saying all cultures should have equal weight in America. That is a political, not historical, view. In real history, settlers and colonists (which are not immigrants) don’t abandon the native languages and cultures of their homelands when colonizing new areas, they extend them and evolve them into something new. Americans have an American culture, some of which is — not surprisingly — similar to the culture of the British Isles today, some of which reflects practices that died out in the British Isles centuries before but remain relevant in America today, some of which is due to the settlement of a near empty wilderness, some of which is due to the influence of later immigrant groups, mainly from Europe, and some just due to the passage of time. But the culture is indeed American, and reflective of an actual people, not an idea.

    But yes — America is most definitely not a civilization. China is a civilization, India is a civilization, and Arab lands are their own civilization, among many others. America is a culture and people within Western Civilization, nothing more, nothing less.

    • Agree: Desiderius, Hail
  41. Pericles says:
    @obwandiyag

    Stop appropriating our culture. It’s not okay.

  42. Kronos says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Oh I have better things to do, like tracking down Jeffry Epstein’s secret party submarine. Apparently, installing a stripper pole in a submarine is pretty tough. Think of it as “Love Boat” meets “The Hunt for Red October.”

    *Sean Connery does kinda look like Epstein in this trailer.

    • Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV
  43. I still can’t understand why reasonable people with influence can’t at least consider the possibility that we would be better off breaking up the USA. Even Steve Sailer never seems to consider this possibility (perhaps because the most obvious first step would be letting California be an independent country?).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @NOTA
    , @anon
  44. @Kronos

    As a kid I never appreciated how many classic film stars appeared on The Love Boat. I almost want to check it out again. At the same time being a kid in the 70s and watching Love Boat and then Fantasy Island because there wasn’t anything else on TV is not a fond memory.

  45. Neoconned says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I was on a gig website few yrs ago….this Indian guy was going to do a web design job for me for 4$USA….

    A local developer would have charged me a grand for the same job…..and I am not joking.

  46. @Morris Applebaum IV

    You’d want the naval base at San Diego: think about Russia and Sevastopol.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @Inquiring Mind
    , @res
  47. “Postwar prosperity”. So the fact that redlining began in the Great Depression is ignored? Or were the Goldsteins still living in the ghetto in the 50s?

  48. Lurker says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve – I’m sure I remember you musing a few years back on how largely artificial facilities like the port at Long Beach had become so important, surpassing, the natural harbours like San Diego and San Francisco.

    So the strategic need for such sites has declined. Maybe in an era when ships at anchor were much more at the mercy of waves and wind and the military threat came mostly from naval gunfire, then these protected harbours were more attractive?

    Of course if a site is already well established with masses of installed infrastructure then’s always going to be desirable.

  49. @ScarletNumber

    The three Rs aren’t taught in high school… well, not unless you were in one of the “special” classes. Which I could believe.

  50. theMann says:
    @nebulafox

    The local school district would LOVE to bring back Shop, Automotive, Welding etc., but starting teachers at 53.5K a year is wildly insufficient to bring in qualified teachers, when anyone with the required skill set will be making over 100K with overtime in the oil field. Eh, maybe when the Shale bust hits.

  51. Arclight says:

    We certainly don’t want to cover how black urban neighborhoods collapsed just as soon as the civil rights era meant the black middle class could get the hell out of there, just like their white counterparts. People might get the wrong impression about the most prominent and cared-for segment of the underclass, or even question the efficacy of the various social interventions we have tried for more than half a century.

  52. @Roger

    “Why didn’t people want [undesired group] as neighbors?” is as good as any other question to start that lesson, but the obvious answers are frightening when not followed up by questions like “Were they right?” and “Did the undesired group change?”

  53. @Steve Sailer

    Easy, peasy, iSteve. Jack Nicholson could have his Marines patroling “the wire” separating San Diego Bay from California. A Guantanomo Bay kind of arrangement.

  54. @JohnnyWalker123

    The ethos of nonjudgmentalism (libertarianism run amok) obviates debate. What you see here is what normally does in an abandoned, rundown neighborhood.

  55. @theMann

    Then pay them 150K.

    Cut back on the gazillion Special Ed teachers added in the last twenty years who are already miserable from all the bullshit they have to pretend to believe.

  56. @International Jew

    Even? It’s the 1% who are getting an intensive course in the Illiberal Arts.

    The better to destroy us with.

  57. GU says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Too much homework interferes with “learning on your own time.” It also rewards mediocre teachers pets at the expense of intelligent free spirits (when the homework is graded). Kids are already in school for ~7 hours a day—homework should be rare.

  58. GU says:
    @black sea

    Agreed that becoming American isn’t so hard, though many (most?) immigrants these days fail this simple task. But the US is a vast country where regional cultures matter. Less so today than in the past, but it still matters. Very few immigrants will successfully become Southerners, Midwesterners, Texans, Yankees, etc.

  59. @black sea

    Those kids may be born in America but they are not Americans.

    • Agree: MBlanc46
  60. I’m a firm believer in focusing on the fundamentals in educating our young people. Educators should stick to the basics when tailoring curriculum:

    1. Emmett Till
    2. The tragic history of red lining
    3. The unique beauty of female African hair

    We live in an increasingly competitive world. Without a strong education, our young people will fail.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  61. @Roger

    I’d recently read a brief history of the practice of redlining, perhaps on this website, maybe in the Comments. From what I recall:

    When the US government got into the mortgage business with the creation of the Federal Housing Authority in 1934, they needed a way to project default rates on loans, especially in areas where the market value of a house falls below the debt owed on that house. The various areas were color-coded on the map … areas highlighted in red were projected to have falling asset-values, which of course means an eventual higher default rate.

    From a purely rational analytic perspective, confusing cause and effect thwarts understanding and … there’s that word, progress.

  62. Art Deco says:

    The history of housing finance is an awfully granular subject to make it in to secondary school American history texts. It’s also imprudent from a different perspective: the likelihood that the sort of person recruited to assemble a textbook will know anything about land economics, banking, insurance, or the real estate business is pretty slim as well.

    We learned nothing about classical antiquity. We learned next to nothing about the Middle Ages or the Renaissance.

    IMO, primary school social studies should be quite focused: the fundamentals of American history, geography, and civics. Ancient and medieval history are the stuff of secondary school classes, and only for those who follow an academic course of study. Perhaps 1/4 of the secondary student body should have classes in European history ancient, medieval, or modern.

  63. Jack D says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    After the Civil War when the US was becoming a modern industrial power, it looked to foreign educational systems in other developed countries to see what was successful there so that they could copy it. The class bound English system was copied for elite schools but was not thought to be suitable for educating the masses (at which the English didn’t do a particularly good job). In particular, Germany was an important model. From them we copied the idea of kindergartens (right down to the name) and also the polytechnic university (e.g. MIT) where the emphasis was on STEM subjects and not on liberal arts as in the old, English divinity school based universities (Harvard, Yale).

    As I understand it (which is not very much), while Germany theoretical research never really recovered from the loss of Jewish academics at the highest levels (hardly any German universities stand in the top ranks of any world university ranking system but OTOH the lack of top level academic prowess does not seem to have hurt their economy), it has a very good vocational and technical educational system which involves apprenticeships which lead directly to jobs and which might serve as a model for US education .

    The main criticism of the German system seems to be that kids are tracked onto votech rather than college prep rather early, so that any budding geniuses such as Genius T. Coates are permanently steered into becoming machinists and HVAC technicians before their full genius has a chance to blossom. I’m guessing that the usual elephant in the American room, the racial issue, prevents us from going down that path because minorities would be “overrepresented” in votech and that would be racis’. Generally speaking, when people say things like “our educational system is failing”, if you look into it, it means that it is failing with NAMs and whites and Asians are doing just fine. But publicly the dialog is always cast in terms of the “educational system” and not minority failure (although given that we are now pushing 50%+ non-whites and in big city systems a lot higher, they are becoming more or less synonymous.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  64. @theMann

    You can get retired master carpenters and machinists to do it for nothing once or twice a week. Whatever little I know about woodworking ,I learnt in Yeshiva from a retired carpenter who taught once a week on a voluntary basis. Everybody adored him.

    • Replies: @Chris Renner
  65. Art Deco says:
    @songbird

    Well, the shnooks who wrote it are economic illiterates. The degree to which one prospers (‘successful’ is a nonsense term except in relation to discrete objects) is a function of one’s human capital, which can be acquired as readily by renters as by owners. You can also save money with a great many vehicles. No need to buy a house, though the imperative of meeting mortgage payments may establishing a baseline savings rate for your household that might not have otherwise been there. And, of course, maybe 35% of the total population in 1940 owned their own homes, with a notably smaller share doing so in urban areas. Detroit was in comparatively great shape in 1940.

  66. RonaldB says:
    @Roger

    Actually, redlining improved black neighborhoods as well as white. The practice of redlining was a voluntary agreement among real estate agents to maintain the character of neighborhoods. They would not show a house in a white neighborhood to prospective black tenants. But, the agents also had an incentive to maintain the value of black neighborhoods, as the commission was a percentage of the selling price.

    I visited quite a few black residences in Chicago in the 1960’s and many of them were extremely well-maintained, as were many of the black neighborhoods. Redlining, like school segregation, had benefits for all concerned that were not immediately apparent. A stable, middle-class black neighborhood is far preferable to a mixed neighborhood in flux. The black schools often had success rates that today’s mixed schools can only dream of.

    I do agree with the Supreme Court case that found that courts could not enforce restrictive covenants. Redlining should be done through informal and formal associations of real estate agents, developers, and neighborhood associations. I don’t want a court trying to determine who is colored and who is not for the purpose of enforcing a restrictive covenant.

  67. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @M_Young

    I grew up in a fairly affluent suburb, and in my middle school even the girls took shop – at least for one semester. I thought wood shop was pretty fun. I still have the little storage box that I made in it. I know all the girls had to take home ec, and I think the boys might have had to take it, too. In home ec I learned to make muffins and a pie – two skills I still use today. Plus it was fun and tasty making them!

  68. @SimpleSong

    “If you look at the U.S. as an extension of Western Civilization (or Christendom or whatever you want to call it), then it becomes obvious why you should not admit infinity brown people: because that’s not who we are.”

    John Milius’ “The Wind and the Lion” is a wonderful American movie from 1975. If you’ve never seen it DO IT!

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  69. Art Deco says:
    @theMann

    In re cash compensation, the median hourly wages are as follows:

    1. Welders: $19.90 per hour
    2. Car mechanics: $19.70 per hour
    3. Carpenters: $16.70 per hour.

    I’d wager the real problem is finding people who combine two skill sets: doing the work and teaching others to do it in a structured way (lesson plans, tests, etc.). Not everyone is good at explaining things.

    • Replies: @theMann
  70. danand says:
    @songbird

    “This era of intolerance made it almost impossible for African Americans to be successful without access to proper housing…”

    Songbird, here up in Oakland California there are group of women, along with their children, who moved into a vacant house this past November. It’s been all over the local TV news over the past few days. The house is owned by Wedgewood corp based in Redondo Beach. This is from Wedgewood’s “About Us” info page:

    “Founded in 1985, Wedgewood has grown into a diversified, vertically integrated company, expanding its business footprint to include residential rehabilitation, non-performing loans, property management, private lending, brokerage, escrow, and more.

    The flip business is the backbone of Wedgewood. Our residential improvement business includes the purchase, rehabilitation and resale of single-family residences throughout the Western U.S. and Florida.”

    The mothers and their children were asked to leave the premises as they are, what used to be called, squatters; never had permission, a contract, nor have they paid any rent/compensation. They have a couple more days left on their reprieve by the city to move/leave. Wedgewood has offered to pay the womens rent for two months at some kind of shelter facility.

    The women and their growing number of supporters have formed an “organization” called “Moms 4 Housing”. These supporters are protesting the immanent Eviction outside the Oakland home:

    Moms 4 Housing photo Dec 6.jpg

    • Replies: @songbird
  71. … White resistance to black progress is covered differently in the two states. …

    Black progress? Do tell.

    • Replies: @NOTA
  72. theMann says:
    @Art Deco

    Oil boom West Texas is just a little bit better than “median”.

    McDonald’s starts at $14/hour, always short-handed.

  73. @nebulafox

    “What they manage to share, of course, is not doing a very good job of imparting history, particularly non-US history. We learned nothing about classical antiquity. We learned next to nothing about the Middle Ages or the Renaissance. Even 20th Century history was often reduced to a blurb, often repeating the same subjects every year.”

    Not only does democracy make every man forget his ancestors, but it hides his descendants, and separates his contemporaries from him; it throws him back forever upon himself alone, and threatens in the end to confine him entirely within the solitude of his own heart.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  74. nymom says:
    @songbird

    What’s the excuse for the dozens of other cities across the US that they have destroyed…

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
  75. J.Ross says:

    “Blacked” is a pornographic series depicting white women risking disease with a black man for the first time; the name refers to the idea that they are permanently changed. Yes, the owner of the brand has a lot of parantheses, but check out the talent — especially notice the frequently-noticed-here method of entry in the last excerpted sentence:

    Blacked star Julio Gomez charged after woman sexually assaulted in Manhattan elevator

    A man is under arrest after a woman was followed into an elevator and sexually assaulted her in Manhattan apartment building.

    Police said 36-year-old (Julio Gomez), of Brooklyn, faces sexual abuse and assault charges after the attack happened in an elevator Monday around 8:10 a.m. at a building in Stuyvesant Town near East 20th and Avenue C.

    A keycard is required for gaining access to the lobby, but police said he “piggybacked” on a building resident by walking in after he or she unlocked the door.

    https://abc7ny.com/man-charged-after-woman-sexually-assaulted-in-nyc-elevator/4445833/

    You now remember that black activists specifically tried to make white concerns about this very thing a “BBQ Becky” thing a while back.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  76. AUSA(ret) says:
    @advancedatheist

    Just curious, but is life very hard when you’re as dumb as you apparently are?

    • Replies: @advancedatheist
  77. AUSA(ret) says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Holy sweet sh*t!!!!!! I have never seen such ignorance displayed publicly, let alone proclaimed champion of a nation wide (really??!!) competition!!!!!!!!

  78. @kaganovitch

    You can get retired master carpenters and machinists to do it for nothing once or twice a week.

    I was going to say something like this as well, although I’m not sure how much they’d like putting up with the public school bureaucracy.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  79. @JohnnyWalker123

    “Seriously, why don’t they teach real job skills in high school?”

    because schools are an indoctrination center for the left.

    perhaps your question made sense 40 years ago, but in 2020 the answer should be obvious.

  80. @songbird

    don’t you just hate it when the condition of your neighborhood spontaneously starts declining?

  81. J.Ross says:

    http://archive.is/yocGC

    The only reason blacks were attacking Jews is RUSSIAN HACKERS interfering with the internet! More online censorship will surely prevent that a-ha moment when a person breaks through the censorship and realizes he’s been lied to! And also lecture the kids yet still even more about a certain historical event, that’s not something that can make people resentful and lead to questions.

  82. @nebulafox

    This is your educational system on minoritarianism.

  83. @nymom

    why confine yourself to the US? What’s the excuse for 60k years of black ooga booga behavior?

  84. @yaqub the mad scientist

    Not only does democracy make every man forget his ancestors, but it hides his descendants, and separates his contemporaries from him; it throws him back forever upon himself alone, and threatens in the end to confine him entirely within the solitude of his own heart.

    There’s nothing about “democracy”–at least responsible republican government that does this.

    What has thrashed education–created this anti-education–in the United States is not “democracy” but minoritarianism, plain and simple.

    I getting my primary schooling before the rise of the Jews was complete, before minoritarianism was completely dominant. Perhaps not what it should have been, but there was plenty of knowledge about and respect for our ancestors, both the Amercian founders and our roots in Western Christendom. (Granted i was in a Catholic school, so i suppose “lagging” in right thinking relative to the publics.)

    In point of fact, our system of government is quite a bit less democratic now–basically elite diktat. But unfortunately our “elites” are not of the nation, do not identify with the nation. That’s your problem.

  85. @Beavertales

    Also: “White resistance to black progress”

    There is no such thing. But black resistance to non-progressive white progress is a thing.

  86. @Chris Renner

    I was going to say something like this as well, although I’m not sure how much they’d like putting up with the public school bureaucracy.

    You have a point there. That kind of thing is a lot easier to do in a private school like a Yeshiva than a public school. Also a lot simpler 40 years ago . Iirc, one of the teachers knew him and asked him if he’d be interested, two days later he was there. Today in public school he’d probably have to have an education credential, liability insurance and who knows what else.

  87. @Just another serf

    “1. Emmett Till”

    Sad to say the E. Till 2.0 Experience is cancelled. I just couldn’t defeat the putrefaction process. Tee-Hee is bummed [deletion of Tee-Hee looking forward to some of E.’s ribs joke due to poor taste].

  88. BB753 says:

    If we are to believe Coates and Afro-loonies like him, redlining was worse than slavery!

  89. @Joe Stalin

    The Wind and the Lion (1975) is wonderful. Sean Connery superb in his role, and the scenes between Brian Keith and the great film director John Huston are fun. OT: watched the old-timey liberal Under Fire (1983): Nick Nolte, Gene Hackman, and Ed Harris in the same movie. And one tense scene which features Nolte, Hackman, and Harris together. Good stuff. Nice, albeit temporary, distraction from the rotting E. situation.

  90. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    As I understand it (which is not very much), while Germany theoretical research never really recovered from the loss of Jewish academics at the highest levels (hardly any German universities stand in the top ranks of any world university ranking system but OTOH the lack of top level academic prowess does not seem to have hurt their economy)

    About 1% of Germany’s population in 1929 was Jewish, so, no. Poland and Hungary, which had Jewish populations which were proportionately 9-12x that of Germany and in which the Jewish minority had an immense position in the professions, might have fit your description.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  91. I got a new iSteve article in the vein of that indian guy who thinks he is entitled to the US as reparations for colonialism or something.

    https://time.com/4291008/connectography/

    Was this ever posted on here? it’s from 2016

  92. @Art Deco

    About 1% of Germany’s population in 1929 was Jewish, so, no. Poland and Hungary, which had Jewish populations which were proportionately 9-12x that of Germany and in which the Jewish minority had an immense position in the professions, might have fit your description.

    I’m not sure the relevant metric is percentage of population. It seems much more relevant to know what was the percentage of the professoriate? As a heavily urban , educated demographic , they punched quite a bit above their weight. From what I can tell, somewhere between %12-15 of the professoriate were Jewish. Add to that , the dismissal of left leaning academics(there is of course substantial overlap between these 2 groups) & you have perhaps %20-25. I don’t know if that’s enough to account for the phenomenon Jack is describing, but it isn’t nothing, either.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Jack D
  93. Art Deco says:
    @kaganovitch

    The dismissal of 12% of the professoriate isn’t going to cripple intellectual life for three generations. If Ashkenazic Jews were so consequential, Israel’s universities should be competing with Imperial College and MIT. Israel has several satisfactory research universities; the U.S. News Global Ranking doesn’t score any of them above the 99th place. There are a couple of German universities and several Swiss universities ahead of them. (Jews account for 0.22% of Switzerland’s population).

    I think if you run down the list of Nobel laureates from the early 20th century, you’ll notice a great many Scandinavians on the list. My suspicion is that the English speaking world occupies most of U.S. News’ field of vision, which account for the presence of so many British and American schools there. Duke University has a damaged institutional culture, but it’s right up there in their rankings.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @kaganovitch
    , @MBlanc46
  94. Jack D says:
    @kaganovitch

    Add to that the number of German academics killed or taken prisoner or shipped off to the USSR after the war and those who were so closely tied to the Nazis that they could no longer have viable careers after the war and post 1945 German academia was a pale shadow of its pre-1933 self.

  95. guest says:

    There is literally a tv show starring Sam Jackson out right now about Jim Crow -era black home loans. Redlining is such a “thing” that they’re making tv shows about it.

    I mean, it *could* be good television. But a show about bellybutton lint theoretically could be intriguing, too.

    By the way Steve, did you notice Apple T.V. remade Mosquito Coast starring that Justin Theroux character, nephew of the author?

  96. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    There are a couple of German universities and several Swiss universities ahead of them.

    Right, Switzerland has 1/10th the population of Germany but more high ranking universities because their university system was not destroyed by the war. Unlike Germany, it never had many Jewish academics to begin with.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  97. @Art Deco

    The dismissal of 12% of the professoriate isn’t going to cripple intellectual life for three generations. If Ashkenazic Jews were so consequential, Israel’s universities should be competing with Imperial College and MIT.

    As I’m sure you know, there are more Ashkenazim in the USA than in Israel,many more if you count mischlingen.

    I am not making definitive claims for any particular cause of postwar German university under performance but I’m not dismissing the Jewish/Leftist purge either. It should be noted that according E.Y Hartshorne ( The German Universities and National-Socialism, Cambridge, Massachusetts,
    1937) the percentage of purged was much , much higher at the elite universities like Berlin, Heidelberg, Frieburg, Breslau etc. exceeding %30 at some. See

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015014772894&view=1up&seq=100

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  98. I think if you run down the list of Nobel laureates from the early 20th century, you’ll notice a great many Scandinavians on the list. My suspicion is that the English speaking world occupies most of U.S. News’ field of vision, which account for the presence of so many British and American schools there. Duke University has a damaged institutional culture, but it’s right up there in their rankings.

    You may be right -I strongly suspect you are- that US News ranking is not a reliable measure of the quality of non Anglosphere universities, but in that case perhaps the Technion is better than you thought as well?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  99. songbird says:
    @danand

    Interesting that they would pose using the black power symbol for their PR shots.

  100. @theMann

    We had a Verizon strike here a few years ago. I was talking to a supervisor type who was out in the field doing replacement duty and he said the striking techs were all making north of $100k including OT.

  101. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    their university system was not destroyed by the war. U

    Higher education enrollments in this country have increaed 8-fold in this country since 1947. Nearly 9/10th of the physical and human infrastructure we have now did not exist then. Per capita product in Germany as a whole (East and West) had returned to pre-war levels (in real terms) by 1954, though it took until about 1973 for the country’s per capita product to reach a value which could have been extrapolated from their performance over the period running from 1868 to 1913. Somehow their sum of productive enterprise recovers, but their higher education system never does, and for want of a tiny Jewish minority. Whatever.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  102. Art Deco says:
    @kaganovitch

    Perhaps. It’s the Weizmann Institute which comes out on top.

  103. Art Deco says:
    @kaganovitch

    As I’m sure you know, there are more Ashkenazim in the USA than in Israel,many more if you count mischlingen.

    There are about twice as many in the U.S. as in Israel. I’d think if they’re that potent, having 2.8 million Ashkenazim should get your top school something better than 99th place. Now, personally, I don’t hold much by the ranking, but I wasn’t using it to slam German universities, either.

  104. @Cato

    in many majors students likely leave college more ignorant than when they arrived.

  105. anon[237] • Disclaimer says:

    Texas . . . enjoy it while it lasts . . . more than 1,100,000 third world “enrichers” flooding in everywhere each year . . .

    lots of them going to Texas, Florida, Georgia, other formerly red states. Soon to be third world enclaves.

    We can survive bad history textbooks – but when the third world takes over, it’s just over. Become like Venezuela, etc.

    We cannot survive legal immigration.
    Immigration Moratorium now.

  106. NOTA says:
    @Morris Applebaum IV

    How’d that work out for us the last time we tried it?

  107. NOTA says:
    @William Badwhite

    Black Americans have had stunning progress in the last 100 years, culminating in black star athletes, musicians, actors, authors, CEOs, research scientists, and even a black president. They didn’t reach equality with whites, probably for IQ distribution reasons. But it seems nuts to deny that they’ve made a lot of progress from their state in 1920.

  108. I’m guessing that Dana Goldstein does not have a history degree, but will nonetheless tell us what history teachers should be teaching.

  109. MBlanc46 says:
    @istevefan

    Texas and California are huge markets. You can’t publish textbooks that don’t meet their standards.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  110. MBlanc46 says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Perhaps it’s just familiarity, but European money always seems likely Monopoly money compared to Yankee greenbacks (even the newer ones).

  111. MBlanc46 says:
    @Art Deco

    Perhaps that’s because the really smart Jews would rather live in the US or the UK than in Israel.

  112. @Buzz Mohawk

    Got my first torque wrench from Santa C., probably Christmas 1977. All of the men in my immediate family had practical and/or professional backgrounds in aviation. Skewed my ASVAB test results, for sure. I could competently rivet and deal with basic avionics before I skipped my high school prom. The folks that I work with now would likely shun me — if only subtly, socially — if they knew that I’d done strange things such as riveting, engine maintenance and analog electrical work.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  113. SFG says:
    @black sea

    OK, but how is that a bad thing?

  114. SFG says:
    @SimpleSong

    On that I agree with you 100%. Yeah, the new styles are hideous. I think we lost a lot in the 60s with the whole ‘stick it to the Establishment’ thing; there is no longer any real Establishment to stick it to, and, well, we all see the results. Upper middle class women engage in ‘polyamory’ and microdose LSD, lower middle class women have three kids by different dads and get hooked on opioids.

    One of the cleverer things I read in either the New Republic or the National Review (hey, it was the 90s) was that the vices of the rich are much more destructive to the poor.

  115. @AUSA(ret)

    Any one who has to deal with blacks in business will tell you that their credit and debit cards regularly decline when they try to make even trivial purchases. This says all you need to know about how they handle money.

  116. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    but their higher education system never does,

    That’s right, it never does. According to the Shanghai rankings, the top German university, Heidelberg, is #47 worldwide. Before the Nazis it would have been in the top 10. ETH Zurich, just across the border, is #19 and Copenhagen is at #26. You would think that Germany could match these much smaller countries. Back in the day, the Fuhrer would have shown the Danish who is boss!

    Anglophone universities dominate the top ranks but even if you exclude them, in addition to ETH and Copenhagen, there are a couple of French universities, a Swedish one, a Chinese one and a couple of Japanese U’s before you get to the first German U. There must be some explanation for why the top German U is only #47 worldwide?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  117. MEH 0910 says:

    Back To Schooldays

  118. Art Deco says:
    @NOTA

    Lots of big changes distributed over every generation since 1865.

    Blacks adults were predominantly illiterate in 1870 (and had been imported from illiterate cultures). The majority were at least minimally literate by 1895 and illiteracy had fallen to a single digit share by 1959. The proportion of youth enrolled in primary and secondary schooling and the number of days in the school year was the same on either side of the color bar by 1959.

    By 1880, about 60% of the black population was employed outside the agricultural sector, an astonishingly rapid sectoral shift. The proportion employed in agriculture declined somewhat more slowly than it did for whites over the succeeding sixty years, then more rapidly, to the point where blacks employed in agriculture are numbered in five digits. Blacks are about 12% of the workforce.
    They have at least a beach-head in every kind of occupation. Occupations where blacks are less that 3% of the working population and occupations for which the government does not track the racial composition between them encompass < 3% of all employed persons.

    And most don't live in the 'hood anymore. They do in some cities (Milwaukee is one), but most places they're much more diffused than they were 50 years ago. People talk about the 'middle class' leaving the ghetto, but salaried employees and small business are a modest share of the black workforce. Half the working class have left the 'hood as well.

    Of course, there are lest salutary changes (having to do with sex, family life, and the aesthetics of culture).

  119. anon[176] • Disclaimer says:
    @Morris Applebaum IV

    if the other 47 continental states separated from CA, the leftist loonies in CA would become allies with nations that do not play nice in the sandbox. Russia, Iran, etc., would establish military bases on CA. They would install Intra-Continental Ballistic Missiles, aimed at Fort Hood, the Pentagon, etc.

    CA authorities would deliberately flood untold numbers of illegal aliens across their border with malice aforethought to destabilize the rest of the continent. Status Quo, that.

    Setting up a major shooting war – either CA+Allies invade the USA, or we attempt a Karl Rove/George W. Bush pre-emptive war to prevent the hostile foreign military bases from getting established in CA.

    Assuming there is a USA remaining that could even entertain the thought …

  120. @NOTA

    You make good points about some individual blacks (not sure I buy the research scientists part) though I’d argue that some of that (the CEO’s, Obama) were more given to them by whites than anything achieved on their own. Obama epitomized the term “empty suit”.

    In terms of the CEO’s, for a fun project find a Bloomberg terminal, create an index of corporations that have had black CEO’s (such as McDonalds, American Express) and track the performance versus the S&P 500 during the term of the black CEO’s time in the role.

    Anyway, I was more thinking of things that apply to “blacks” as an entity in areas such as illegitimacy and criminality. Sometime around the 1960’s (certainly after the Civil Rights legislation) many blacks seem to have adopted an oppositional culture that has given us such productive traits as black kids punishing other black kids for “acting white”. In terms of assimilating well with the rest of America, I don’t think blacks have made much progress.

  121. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    Before the Nazis it would have been in the top 10.

    Thanks for the ass-pull. Been an education.

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
    , @Jack D
  122. @Art Deco

    Jews wuz KANGZ they built Europe and America.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  123. Art Deco says:
    @bigdicknick

    They were an important part of commercial, professional, and intellectual life in a half-dozen European countries in 1918. Whatever problems German universities may have is not explained by their absence.

  124. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    The point is that if you took Harvard (and BTW, the Jewish % of the US is not that much higher than the Jewish % of Germany was – very small in both cases) and got rid of all the Jewish professors and all the Leftist non-Jewish professors (not just fired them but killed them or expelled them from the US, never to return) and then had a war in which some of the remaining faculty died and then after the war you purged most of the right wing racist professors who had stayed on, then Harvard wouldn’t be top 10 in the world anymore either. Not because the Jews created Harvard (they didn’t, nor did they create Heidelberg) but because of the overall situation.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  125. J.Ross says:
    @J.Ross

    Follow-up: Greg Lansky, the founder/owner of Blacked celebrated in woke media as some kind of visionary, has announced that he has “retired.” He did not mention this incident but did burble all the standard CEO nonsense about a “team” and going on a journey and tackling challenges (apparently being a CEO is the same as playing an isekai).

  126. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    Again, you keep ignoring the relative dimensions of higher education, then and now. You also keep ignoring a country’s reconstructive capacity manifest in what it produces. I can explain something to you. I cannot comprehend it for you.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Dissident
  127. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    I understand just fine. W. Germany was able to reconstruct its economy after the war but it was never able to reconstruct its formerly world class higher education system commensurately. (From that we can perhaps infer that you don’t need a world-leading system of higher education to have a world-leading economy. ) I have offered a reasonable explanation for why that was so and you have not offered anything to refute that.

  128. Dissident says:
    @Art Deco

    I can explain something to you. I cannot comprehend it for you.

    That, nearly verbatim, is one of the many pithy lines that the late iconic NYC Mayor Edward I. Koch used to dispatch with callers to his radio show.

    (I make this comment without wishing to interject myself in any way into the present exchange between Art Deco and Jack D, which I have not been following.)

  129. Anonymous[934] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kibernetika

    The aircraft mechanic is the one guy who doesn’t buy his own torque wrench- they are kept on a cal schedule and supplied by the shop.

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