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The Harvard professor who is amazing at the getting big institutions give him confidential information is confident that the reason there’s more social mobility in Winsted, MN has nothing to do with the fact that “The racial makeup of the city was 97.5% White, 0.5% African American, 0.3% Native American, 0.1% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 0.9% from other races, and 0.6% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.8% of the population.”
While in-contrast the reason there isn’t much socio-economic mobility in Conley, Georgia has nothing to do with the raciaol make-up:
Conley racial composition[7]
Race Num. Perc.
White (non-Hispanic) 583 8.73%
Black or African American (non-Hispanic) 4,067 60.88%
Native American 21 0.31%
Asian 162 2.43%
Pacific Islander 1 0.01%
Other/Mixed 181 2.71%
Hispanic or Latino 1,665 24.93%
But what doesn’t Chetty know between Minnesota and Georgia?
English
Arabic
Chinese (Simplified)
Dutch
French
German
Hebrew
Hindi
Italian
Japanese
Korean
Persian
Polish
Portuguese
Russian
Spanish
Swedish
Turkish
Vietnamese
I am sure the disciples of St. George Floyd will drive out to Winsted and give them a good taste of the blessings of diversity soon enough. Maybe Chetty should compare how these counties voted in 2020 and determine if there is any relationship between socio-economic mobility and voting for Trump.
If these institutions are giving this information to a third party, can it still be said to be confidential?
I do not know what the lawyers have to say on the subject, but anonymising information does not change the fact that the information is changing hands. Something which, I would think, contravenes any useful definition of “confidential.”
The fraction of high-SES friends among low-SES individuals—which we term economic connectedness—is among the strongest predictors of upward income mobility identified to date, whereas other social capital measures are not strongly associated with economic mobility. If children with low-SES parents were to grow up in counties with economic connectedness comparable to that of the average child with high-SES parents, their incomes in adulthood would increase by 20% on average. Differences in economic connectedness can explain well-known relationships between upward income mobility and racial segregation, poverty rates, and inequality.
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For example, friending bias is higher in larger and more diverse groups and lower in religious organizations than in schools and workplaces. Distinguishing exposure from friending bias is helpful for identifying interventions to increase cross-SES friendships (economic connectedness). Using fluctuations in the share of high-SES students across high school cohorts, we show that increases in high-SES exposure lead low-SES people to form more friendships with high-SES people in schools that exhibit low levels of friending bias. Hence, socioeconomic integration can increase economic connectedness in communities where friending bias is low. In contrast, when friending bias is high, increasing cross-SES interaction among existing members may be necessary to increase economic connectedness.
Shocking news as the sun rising in the east.
SES heterogeneity (and by deduction, the SES mobility that comes with it) is more likely among a group of people that already have something in common, but less likely the more you extend the net out to the general population.
What Chetty Chetty Gang Gang is trying to sell us on is that if there was only some way to force low and high SES people together, then this will create a situation where way many more low SES people become high SES.
Let me know how that works out for you after decades of very expensive social experimentation. Spoiler alert: It won’t work, or have scant few individual success stories but not enough to move any major societal needles.
This is in a way a roundabout way of the hysteria around professional networking. The problem is that professional networking relies on pre-existing commonalities. It’s a non sequitur to think that you could plug any ole street Shaniqua into, e.g. the kind of networks within which I myself do personally circulate or have in the past, and expect Shaniqua to turn into me. Which is what Chetty et al. are really angling at.
As you note, at the end of the day people will leverage their networks for people who seem to be like them in terms of values, aspirations, values, etc. Black American culture broadly speaking is more estranged from that of the upper 20% that makes society go than any other group, and ignoring this massive chasm leads to awful politics and policy.Replies: @Barnard, @Jack D, @Jim Don Bob, @Thomm
What.. haven’t you seen Trading Places?? It’s the most Socially Scientific movie ever made!
What's amazing here to me is "The Wall". Not Trump's "The Wall", but rather the ideological wall sealing off the single solitary explanation that covers about 90% of what we see--biology. Genetics and HBD.
Different people inherited different genes from their parents. And different racial and ethnic groups have wildly varying distributions of genes due to different selective environments that their ancestors were in. And men and women have different bodies and behavior--interests, tendencies--based on sexual dimorphic expression of their genes during development.
Say that--simply admit that--and you are pretty much done. The rest of explanation is just coloring in the picture. And at the individual level a lot of dumb luck and random chance.
And then once you know that, it's reasonably straightforward to see a reasonable path forward. And that is, of course, why "The Wall" is armed and guarded.
“The fraction of high-SES [Socio Economic Status] friends among low-SES individuals—which we term economic connectedness—is among the strongest predictors of upward income mobility identified to date” [According to Chetty: Statistics show birds of an SES flock together]
This is probably true and has historical president. For example the Free Masons had substantial Black membership which allowed the right kind of Black to have access to the local white elite. The Shriners are an old timey, contemporary with the second Klan, organization that had both white and black versions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shriners
The white version actually predated the black, and seems to have set the president of culturally appropriated Egyptian history, which white people often make fun of Blacks for doing. It’s Nation Time:
Prep for Prep allows well behaved high IQ blacks (and POC) to have exclusively wealthy friends. It is not clear if the exclusively wealthy friends are high IQ or well behaved (Think Hunter). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prep_for_Prep Maybe Chetty should compare Prep for Prep to the gaggle of unsuccessful minority improvement programs.
The street shitter Chetty belongs back in India…and find a street to shit…
Fun Winsted fact: the MN town is named after the CT town, which isn’t really named that at all even though everyone calls it Winsted. The town’s actual name is Winchester; the name “Winsted” was coined for what became its important population center when industry sprang up along the Mad River that runs through it, cobbling together “Winchester” and “Barkhamsted,” which is the name of a neighboring town.
The Gilbert Clock Co., which was a huge chunk of local industry, was ruined by a catastrophic 1955 flood that destroyed half of the Connecticut Winsted’s downtown and hollowed out its commercial base, which never really recovered. So the Minnesota Winsted is named for a fake-named former mill town that’s seen much better days–about as latter-day American as you can get.
A similar name situation occurs farther east in the state, where the city of Willimantic is part of the municipality of Windham rather than a city itself.Replies: @HammerJack, @slumber_j
Thanks for the backstory.
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For example, friending bias is higher in larger and more diverse groups and lower in religious organizations than in schools and workplaces. Distinguishing exposure from friending bias is helpful for identifying interventions to increase cross-SES friendships (economic connectedness). Using fluctuations in the share of high-SES students across high school cohorts, we show that increases in high-SES exposure lead low-SES people to form more friendships with high-SES people in schools that exhibit low levels of friending bias. Hence, socioeconomic integration can increase economic connectedness in communities where friending bias is low. In contrast, when friending bias is high, increasing cross-SES interaction among existing members may be necessary to increase economic connectedness.
Shocking news as the sun rising in the east.
SES heterogeneity (and by deduction, the SES mobility that comes with it) is more likely among a group of people that already have something in common, but less likely the more you extend the net out to the general population.
What Chetty Chetty Gang Gang is trying to sell us on is that if there was only some way to force low and high SES people together, then this will create a situation where way many more low SES people become high SES.
Let me know how that works out for you after decades of very expensive social experimentation. Spoiler alert: It won't work, or have scant few individual success stories but not enough to move any major societal needles.
This is in a way a roundabout way of the hysteria around professional networking. The problem is that professional networking relies on pre-existing commonalities. It's a non sequitur to think that you could plug any ole street Shaniqua into, e.g. the kind of networks within which I myself do personally circulate or have in the past, and expect Shaniqua to turn into me. Which is what Chetty et al. are really angling at.Replies: @GeraldB, @Arclight, @MikeJa, @Mike Tre, @AnotherDad
Force low and high SES people together? Isn’t that what happened when we forced schools to bus kids across town so they could go to school with more “diverse” children? How did that work out?
And:
For example, friending bias is higher in larger and more diverse groups and lower in religious organizations than in schools and workplaces. Distinguishing exposure from friending bias is helpful for identifying interventions to increase cross-SES friendships (economic connectedness). Using fluctuations in the share of high-SES students across high school cohorts, we show that increases in high-SES exposure lead low-SES people to form more friendships with high-SES people in schools that exhibit low levels of friending bias. Hence, socioeconomic integration can increase economic connectedness in communities where friending bias is low. In contrast, when friending bias is high, increasing cross-SES interaction among existing members may be necessary to increase economic connectedness.
Shocking news as the sun rising in the east.
SES heterogeneity (and by deduction, the SES mobility that comes with it) is more likely among a group of people that already have something in common, but less likely the more you extend the net out to the general population.
What Chetty Chetty Gang Gang is trying to sell us on is that if there was only some way to force low and high SES people together, then this will create a situation where way many more low SES people become high SES.
Let me know how that works out for you after decades of very expensive social experimentation. Spoiler alert: It won't work, or have scant few individual success stories but not enough to move any major societal needles.
This is in a way a roundabout way of the hysteria around professional networking. The problem is that professional networking relies on pre-existing commonalities. It's a non sequitur to think that you could plug any ole street Shaniqua into, e.g. the kind of networks within which I myself do personally circulate or have in the past, and expect Shaniqua to turn into me. Which is what Chetty et al. are really angling at.Replies: @GeraldB, @Arclight, @MikeJa, @Mike Tre, @AnotherDad
The deliberate obtuseness of Chetty and people like him is just so ridiculous. The great hope/expectation of the last 60+ years of the left is that given the right conditions blacks will basically be just like whites in their SES distribution and habits. Chetty’s magic dirt theory that you just have to transplant them to higher-performing communities and through cultural osmosis they will flourish is not entirely nuts when you consider that a lot of immigrants do achieve this, but requires ignoring the key fact (and HBD stuff aside) that many immigrants are quite keen to assimilate into the dominant culture whereas most blacks clearly are not. In fact, they are actively encouraged not to by virtually every major institution in our country.
As you note, at the end of the day people will leverage their networks for people who seem to be like them in terms of values, aspirations, values, etc. Black American culture broadly speaking is more estranged from that of the upper 20% that makes society go than any other group, and ignoring this massive chasm leads to awful politics and policy.
Not sure if it was ignorance or willful blindness.
The conventional explanation for Raj is that he is too hard-programmed to be able to see the truths behind these vast tailing mounds of data he keeps excavating.
As an alternative, does he perhaps actually understand the reality of HBD that he illuminates, but can’t just state it because he prefers to have a nice academic career instead of being an unemployable social pariah? Perhaps then he keeps publishing the data in the hope that other people will pick up the reality on their own? Or am I giving him too much credit, and he really is that oblivious?
He uses this rigged artifact to tell the usual story about "systemic racism" or whatever. But all his mobility data is just groups regressing to their respective means. Of course if he started asking why blacks are always one SD below the white average wherever they are, he'd be getting into dangerous territory.Replies: @Jack D, @Technite78
Chetty is not dumb but he doesn't want to end up being a pariah like Charles Murray. How many people are willing to crash and burn their careers in some fearless pursuit of the truth, wherever it may take you? Most people want an easy life. They don't want to be heckled at every public appearance and have their house picketed and vandalized. The reward system, especially in academia, is deeply, deeply tilted toward going along with Leftism and not fighting against it.
Amy Wax is 69 and in the twilight of her career so she feels that she can say whatever she thinks. And even at her age, there are very few with her courage.
Chetty is 42 and has a family to raise. He would have to be nuts to rock the boat.Replies: @bomag
He has cunningly decided to be oblivious.
O/T Kunstler is hyperbolic but he’s right about a lot of things
https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/atonement/#more-17700
As an alternative, does he perhaps actually understand the reality of HBD that he illuminates, but can’t just state it because he prefers to have a nice academic career instead of being an unemployable social pariah? Perhaps then he keeps publishing the data in the hope that other people will pick up the reality on their own? Or am I giving him too much credit, and he really is that oblivious?Replies: @Forbes, @Hypnotoad666, @Jack D, @rebel yell, @Bill, @mc23
Perhaps, Chetty is merely expressing a form of confirmation bias–in the sense that he’s locked into his ‘magic dirt’ conclusions combined with a theory of socio-economic osmosis. Sometimes (often?) the abstraction of data/numbers obscures the underlying reality of the relationships that exist. Everything he sees conforms what he’s sure is the case.
If only he could plug the racial statistics on IQ and criminality into the massive amount of data he already has. Then he could provide some killer insights into the dynamics of the American economy and society.
Heck, you could in theory do so in places within the same city under different zip codes. One example ; 11694 (Belle Harbor, Queens,NYC, almost 100% white) and say 11208 (East NY, Brooklyn, also NYC, almost entirely black/Latino). The former has high realty values, zero crime, great test scores in schools, full employment at incomes above the mean. The latter...a complete disaster in every metric.
Absolutely. The entire population of East St. Louis needs to be moved to Winsted ,MN as soon as possible. There is no time to be lost.
Wikipedia says it was 34% white, 53% black, 10% Hispanic in 2000. They’ve grown about 8%, so white-flight occurred.
As an alternative, does he perhaps actually understand the reality of HBD that he illuminates, but can’t just state it because he prefers to have a nice academic career instead of being an unemployable social pariah? Perhaps then he keeps publishing the data in the hope that other people will pick up the reality on their own? Or am I giving him too much credit, and he really is that oblivious?Replies: @Forbes, @Hypnotoad666, @Jack D, @rebel yell, @Bill, @mc23
I think this is right. IIRC he uses one obvious trick to rig his measure of “social mobility”. That is he defines it as moving up by some arbitrary number of quintiles of average income. Because blacks start at one SD below average and regress to their own mean (like any population), they are rarely going to meet his arbitrary “upward mobility” metric. This is because it requires a greater movement in terms of SDs from the mean for blacks than for whites.
He uses this rigged artifact to tell the usual story about “systemic racism” or whatever. But all his mobility data is just groups regressing to their respective means. Of course if he started asking why blacks are always one SD below the white average wherever they are, he’d be getting into dangerous territory.
If someone could design a proficiency test for a desirable occupation that didn't result in the usual racial breakdowns, they would become rich and famous overnight. Of course, this hasn't happened because it is essentially impossible to do this in a non-trivial and honestly useful way.
In the meantime, people like Chetty become reasonably well-off and well-known producing research that suggests there may be a way to improve economic outcomes for groups that perform poorly on the above-mentioned proficiency tests, even if they (consciously or unconsciously) ignore the obvious flaws in their theories.
The Iron Law Of The Canadian Border again.
As you note, at the end of the day people will leverage their networks for people who seem to be like them in terms of values, aspirations, values, etc. Black American culture broadly speaking is more estranged from that of the upper 20% that makes society go than any other group, and ignoring this massive chasm leads to awful politics and policy.Replies: @Barnard, @Jack D, @Jim Don Bob, @Thomm
Four years ago when Marc Zuckerberg was pushing Chetty in small towns in southeast Iowa he was completely oblivious to the scale of what he was asking for. Based on a handful of anecdotes he heard in towns like Wilton (pop. 2,845) he thought there was all kinds of great opportunities for people to move to these small towns from economically depressed areas. It was clear the idea that moving in anymore than a very small number of people to a town that size would fundamentally transform it had not occurred to him. My impression was he wasn’t thinking about it from a nefarious perspective, like these hicks deserve some diversity, he truly didn’t understand how an significant influx of outsiders would fundamentally change the community.
Again and again we see the need for self-government. The people who make the rules should have to live with the consequences of the rules. The people who have to live with the consequences of the rules should make them.
We need a Republic, an idea from the 18th century that will still be relevant a thousand years from now.
…..that’s why institutions give him the data ,they know there will be no improper conclusions.
Expecting a coolie to ruffle the nest of his would be masters is rich.
HBD is heresy to the Humanist Suicide Cult of the Zion Pigs.
Do not expect one of their coolies to touch the “untouchables”.
This little alien from the Asian subcontinent is no scientist.
He writes what his paymasters expect him to write.
Primarily to continue the FICTION that schvartzes lives matta.
Or something, something schvartzes, surrender Whitey.
Its so tiresome and lame at this point.
The Moon Gawds of the Copybook have Jumped the Shark.
Ethnocentrism is The New Normal.
No getting that BIG CAT into Schrodinger’s Death Box.
The Angry Giant that has awakened is in a MEAN MOOD.
The Tree of Liberty is parched and ready for a big drink.
Step up to the bar, Bagel Boys.
Zion Pigs are now Kosher Bacon.
The Hunger Dogs do not care if its not really bacon.
They just want to EAT THE RICH.
I’ll bring the gravy.
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For example, friending bias is higher in larger and more diverse groups and lower in religious organizations than in schools and workplaces. Distinguishing exposure from friending bias is helpful for identifying interventions to increase cross-SES friendships (economic connectedness). Using fluctuations in the share of high-SES students across high school cohorts, we show that increases in high-SES exposure lead low-SES people to form more friendships with high-SES people in schools that exhibit low levels of friending bias. Hence, socioeconomic integration can increase economic connectedness in communities where friending bias is low. In contrast, when friending bias is high, increasing cross-SES interaction among existing members may be necessary to increase economic connectedness.
Shocking news as the sun rising in the east.
SES heterogeneity (and by deduction, the SES mobility that comes with it) is more likely among a group of people that already have something in common, but less likely the more you extend the net out to the general population.
What Chetty Chetty Gang Gang is trying to sell us on is that if there was only some way to force low and high SES people together, then this will create a situation where way many more low SES people become high SES.
Let me know how that works out for you after decades of very expensive social experimentation. Spoiler alert: It won't work, or have scant few individual success stories but not enough to move any major societal needles.
This is in a way a roundabout way of the hysteria around professional networking. The problem is that professional networking relies on pre-existing commonalities. It's a non sequitur to think that you could plug any ole street Shaniqua into, e.g. the kind of networks within which I myself do personally circulate or have in the past, and expect Shaniqua to turn into me. Which is what Chetty et al. are really angling at.Replies: @GeraldB, @Arclight, @MikeJa, @Mike Tre, @AnotherDad
Social mobility in homogenous communities is due to reversion to the mean. Racial differences don’t revert and that’s why there’s less mobility.
In related news, recently published diaries show Wittgenstein had a hard time making friends while serving at the front:
https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2022/07/wittgenstein-at-war
As you note, at the end of the day people will leverage their networks for people who seem to be like them in terms of values, aspirations, values, etc. Black American culture broadly speaking is more estranged from that of the upper 20% that makes society go than any other group, and ignoring this massive chasm leads to awful politics and policy.Replies: @Barnard, @Jack D, @Jim Don Bob, @Thomm
Yesterday I was watching a news program and there was a “human interest” segment on this guy (from Michigan IIRC) who is the record holder for world’s tallest sunflower stalk. They are so tall that he has to hold them up with something that looks like an oil derrick. He and his kids take these things to county fairs and state fairs where they judge such things and he is way ahead of the competition. They interviewed the guy and he came across as a very typical middle aged Midwestern American rural nice guy, the kind of guy who spends his time growing record breaking plants or fixing up old cars that win blue ribbons at auto show or whatever.
But at some point in the interview it came out that he had come from Ukraine when he was 14 (this explains why it was sunflowers and not pumpkins or Chevies – sunflowers are a Ukrainian (and Russian) thing . But if they hadn’t said this, you would not have guessed in a million years that this guy was not American born – he had totally assimilated into American culture in less than 1 generation (and I’m sure his kids are 1,000% American). He looked American, he sounded American, he acted American.
For various reasons, no black person in America is willing or able to disappear into white America in the same way. It’s just not possible, even if they wanted to, which they don’t.
Anyway, one thing I notice is how many immigrants give their kids Euro names. Of my friends/acquaintances that are 1st gen almost none have ethnic names (the exceptions are all Indians), and I know several immigrants who adopted their own Euro names and prefer to go by those and none of them are European by ancestry. One of my cleaning ladies doesn't speak a word of English but gave her son a traditional name that has no equivalent in Spanish, which to me is an interesting commitment to what she sees as a mainstream existence for her kid.Replies: @Bugg, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Cool Daddy Jimbo, @Dream
If you are against halting mass immigration you hate African Americans, it's that simple.Replies: @Jack D
Would not be all that difficult to collate race/ethnicity, criminality and lack thereof, and “social mobility”, or what ever nonsense metric Chetty uses to craft the magic dirt nonsense.
Heck, you could in theory do so in places within the same city under different zip codes. One example ; 11694 (Belle Harbor, Queens,NYC, almost 100% white) and say 11208 (East NY, Brooklyn, also NYC, almost entirely black/Latino). The former has high realty values, zero crime, great test scores in schools, full employment at incomes above the mean. The latter…a complete disaster in every metric.
He uses this rigged artifact to tell the usual story about "systemic racism" or whatever. But all his mobility data is just groups regressing to their respective means. Of course if he started asking why blacks are always one SD below the white average wherever they are, he'd be getting into dangerous territory.Replies: @Jack D, @Technite78
A white underclass from which exit is difficult also exists but some portion of poor whites is not from that underclass at all. They may be on the 4th generation of “from shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in 3 generations.” Great grandpa was the (possibly immigrant or maybe rural) striver. His son, grandpa, achieves the American dream. He goes to college and becomes a professional or a successful entrepreneur. Maybe he doesn’t have a lot of time to spare on his kids. Maybe there is a divorce and his son (dad) ends up with a drug or drinking problem. So the poor white kid grows up without a lot of \$ in the home of a not very successful dad.
Now some kids just continue this, but others have the brains that made their grandpa and great grandpa so successful. If they are growing up in a nice rural town and not a decadent big city, they make take their cues from their friends who are the sons of the richer and more successful guys in town and become successful themselves despite their loser dad. Maybe grandpa is still around as a role model. In an egalitarian small town, their richer friends may take them along to the country club, etc. so they get a glimpse of how the other half lives and they want it for themselves and do whatever it takes to get back into the upper middle class.
The same family dynamic does not exist in black families – there are no male role models other than maybe drug dealers and rappers.
In the U.S. there is a decent amount of "churn" in social class over generations. But it would be interesting to see Chetty-style analysis on Great Britain. I get the impression that they now have a permanent prole underclass of welfare-dependent whites (and blacks).Replies: @Bugg, @AnotherDad, @Jack D, @Pixo
Male, white / hispanic: 0.6785
Male, black: 0.6455Female, white / hispanic: 0.5545
Female, black: 0.586
There are 42 occupations which together account for just over half the working blacks in the United States. The individual occupations on the list account for between 0.5% and 3.5% of that working population. Driver/sales workers and truck drivers
Customer service representatives
Cashiers
Laborers and freight, stock, and material movers, hand
Registered nurses
Nursing assistants
Janitors and building cleaners
Retail salespersons
Stockers and order fillers
Personal care aides
Elementary and middle school teachers
First-line supervisors of retail sales workers
Cooks
Security guards and gambling surveillance officers
Maids and housekeeping cleaners
Secretaries and administrative assistants, except legal, medical, and executive
Receptionists and information clerks
Home health aides
Office clerks, general
Construction laborers
Couriers and messengers
Accountants and auditors
Teaching assistants
Industrial truck and tractor operators
Licensed practical and licensed vocational nurses
First-line supervisors of office and administrative support workers
Waiters and waitresses
Packers and packagers, hand
Childcare workers
Education and childcare administrators
Food service managers
Food preparation workers
Human resources workers
Financial managers
Medical and health services managers
Landscaping and groundskeeping workers
Software developers
Medical assistants
General and operations managers
Fast food and counter workers
Shipping, receiving, and inventory clerks
Chief executivesReplies: @Jack D
I would just guess Chetty knows what kind of findings will not be “acceptable” and will censor himself. So he is a member of the club so he will not draw upsetting conclusions so he is safe to give the data to.
As an alternative, does he perhaps actually understand the reality of HBD that he illuminates, but can’t just state it because he prefers to have a nice academic career instead of being an unemployable social pariah? Perhaps then he keeps publishing the data in the hope that other people will pick up the reality on their own? Or am I giving him too much credit, and he really is that oblivious?Replies: @Forbes, @Hypnotoad666, @Jack D, @rebel yell, @Bill, @mc23
Upton Sinclair said, “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.”
Chetty is not dumb but he doesn’t want to end up being a pariah like Charles Murray. How many people are willing to crash and burn their careers in some fearless pursuit of the truth, wherever it may take you? Most people want an easy life. They don’t want to be heckled at every public appearance and have their house picketed and vandalized. The reward system, especially in academia, is deeply, deeply tilted toward going along with Leftism and not fighting against it.
Amy Wax is 69 and in the twilight of her career so she feels that she can say whatever she thinks. And even at her age, there are very few with her courage.
Chetty is 42 and has a family to raise. He would have to be nuts to rock the boat.
There's a psychological phenomenon here where we instinctively value truth and free inquiry, but really don't want it when faced with some of the results.
“friending bias”, “economic connectedness”, “cross-SES interaction”….
What did Nietzsche say about Kant? Something to the effect that he managed to say what the common man says in language that the common man could not understand.
Old wine in new bottles.
Raj Chetty exemplifies the theocratic approach to donning the robes of science. Restrict access to your data and there can be no “replication crisis” because only the theocrats are permitted the scriptures of Reality which they will of course interpret for you and on your behalf.
I remember during the ‘tear down statues’ phase of the 2020 cultural revolution, there was a story about a crowd trying to protect some Confederate general’s statue in Louisiana and one of them was an Indian guy who was either first gen or moved with his family when he was really young standing their with his AR, camo and trucker hat who was incensed about the destruction of his state’s history. Talk about assimilation!
Anyway, one thing I notice is how many immigrants give their kids Euro names. Of my friends/acquaintances that are 1st gen almost none have ethnic names (the exceptions are all Indians), and I know several immigrants who adopted their own Euro names and prefer to go by those and none of them are European by ancestry. One of my cleaning ladies doesn’t speak a word of English but gave her son a traditional name that has no equivalent in Spanish, which to me is an interesting commitment to what she sees as a mainstream existence for her kid.
Please also accept your Indian and Chinese overlords, they are considerably more talented than upper-middle class whites let alone your typical dumb redneck rube.
I’d be interested in him making the observation that places like Seattle and Portland, which have had historically low amounts of immigration tend to have much deeper senses of community, lower amounts of inequality and a more North West European style of society.
All else being equal those cities have had a very stable population and almost everything good about them versus other big American cities seems to be driven by a lack of disruptive immigration events of the scale seen in other big American cities.
They’re full of all these evil middle class WASPs with some other North West Euros who’ve been there a long time and yet everything Mr Chetty would say is a good social outcome seems to thrive there without immigrants…
Brings to mind an observation the Prime Minister of Sweden made in the 60s that also touched on social democracies wouldn’t be permissible to make today…
Have you visited these places recently? All the good stuff you mentioned we had a few years back. Now we are regressing to the mean of our eastern friends, Minneapolis, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore ... Not as fast and not as much may be. But definitely in that direction.
https://www.koin.com/news/crime/portland-police-dealing-with-unprecedented-violence-after-multiple-fatal-shootings/
https://www.q13fox.com/news/seattle-police-chief-concerned-about-summer-gun-violence-based-on-memorial-day-statistics
Would add:
They started with good founding stock. WASPS and Norwegians build good civilizations.
Things are changing - lots of immigrants here now.
The same things that make Seattle and Portland whites so good at building a good civilization - honesty, trust, civic virtues - also make them first class saps. They are easy prey for George Floyd worship.Replies: @Bill Jones
Just the latest salvo in the never-ending campaign by our betters to force white people to live around blacks.
Although I will say the my Lefty neighbors seem to have lost interest in poor people of any color and certainly wouldn’t go for poor blacks in the neighborhood.
They used to talk about poor blacks, not that they’d ever actually want to live around them, but they did talk about them. Not anymore.
Chetty might be peddling last year’s fashion.
Anyway, one thing I notice is how many immigrants give their kids Euro names. Of my friends/acquaintances that are 1st gen almost none have ethnic names (the exceptions are all Indians), and I know several immigrants who adopted their own Euro names and prefer to go by those and none of them are European by ancestry. One of my cleaning ladies doesn't speak a word of English but gave her son a traditional name that has no equivalent in Spanish, which to me is an interesting commitment to what she sees as a mainstream existence for her kid.Replies: @Bugg, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Cool Daddy Jimbo, @Dream
Never surprised any more by how many Asian kids are named Kevin.
There are a crazy number of Asian guys named "Kevin."
What's the deal?Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
Anyway, one thing I notice is how many immigrants give their kids Euro names. Of my friends/acquaintances that are 1st gen almost none have ethnic names (the exceptions are all Indians), and I know several immigrants who adopted their own Euro names and prefer to go by those and none of them are European by ancestry. One of my cleaning ladies doesn't speak a word of English but gave her son a traditional name that has no equivalent in Spanish, which to me is an interesting commitment to what she sees as a mainstream existence for her kid.Replies: @Bugg, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Cool Daddy Jimbo, @Dream
The colorblind civic nationalist dream is strong in this one. So much more comforting than reality.
That’s another flaw in Chetty’s presentation — he talks about how great “upward mobility” is, but he forgets to mention that everyone who moves up a notch in ranking is pushing others down by the same amount. So why is “mobility” so great? (Although another part of his “systemic racism” spiel is to bemoan the supposedly greater downward mobility of blacks. But once again, that is just an artifact of blacks on the right tail of the curve regressing to the lower black mean.)
In the U.S. there is a decent amount of “churn” in social class over generations. But it would be interesting to see Chetty-style analysis on Great Britain. I get the impression that they now have a permanent prole underclass of welfare-dependent whites (and blacks).
Might be more interesting to see what the mobility was in the US in 1968, a time when most households got by with one income. And how most families were a mom, a dad and 2.2 kids. As opposed to the ongoing wreck that we have today in terms of affordable family formation and quality of life.Replies: @Hypnotoad666
However, in the net what you actually want is net downward mobility.
(If that doesn't make sense, just think about it a little bit.)Replies: @bomag
https://www.takimag.com/article/give_it_up_psmithe_steves_sailer/
I read a torrented PDF of the book, it was great.
“I get the impression that they now have a permanent prole underclass of welfare-dependent whites (and blacks).”
My impression is the white and black underclass in the UK is mixing even more than in the USA due to the UK’s
white underclass being less racist, more immoral, and much more likely to live in racially diverse public housing.
Relatedly, just watched another torrent involving English underclassmen, The Long Good Friday, from 1980. Fun and very well made action movie whose lead is an upwardly mobile cockney gangster.
OT
Britney Griner in a video interview at the Sports Illustrated website from 2013:
https://www.si.com/sports-illustrated/video/2013/04/18/griner-top-wnba-picks-talk-sexuality-sports
Steve mentioned this interview on Twitter today. Voice is 100% male. Stephen plays that she may be some sort of intersex condition, or trans.
In the U.S. there is a decent amount of "churn" in social class over generations. But it would be interesting to see Chetty-style analysis on Great Britain. I get the impression that they now have a permanent prole underclass of welfare-dependent whites (and blacks).Replies: @Bugg, @AnotherDad, @Jack D, @Pixo
Economic growth can in theory increase income and quality of life broadly across a population. Mobility however is a zero sum game; somebody wins and goes up, but somebody else loses and goes down. Really a stable society might be preferable to one with winners and losers. Mobility isn’t necessarily a metric that tells you the health of a society and might even indicate upheaval.
Might be more interesting to see what the mobility was in the US in 1968, a time when most households got by with one income. And how most families were a mom, a dad and 2.2 kids. As opposed to the ongoing wreck that we have today in terms of affordable family formation and quality of life.
(But they were lucky enough to have no IRS back then -- so I guess no tax returns for a modern maven to mine).
And this is why all low-skilled immigration must be halted, stopped, ended, because the majority of American blacks will never ascend into the middle class, will never develop middle class networks, the least we can do for them is provide economic security and the only way for the low-income to gain any economic security in a market driven economy is for us tolerate the condition that there labor is relatively scare. It sucks working for 30 years at Burger King, earning 12\$ per hour. It would suck a lot less if that wage was at 35\$ and hour and that is what the wage would be if not for endless mass immigration. Management and capital would be compelled to pay the market clearing rate absent an endless supply of cheap labor, and yeah, of course I consider automation, but at the last step of almost all service transaction there is a human hand and that human hand should be fairly compensated for doing the job that most American won’t do.
If you are against halting mass immigration you hate African Americans, it’s that simple.
https://www.mashed.com/img/gallery/the-big-ways-robots-are-quietly-taking-over-fast-food/intro-1623337995.webp
The Gilbert Clock Co., which was a huge chunk of local industry, was ruined by a catastrophic 1955 flood that destroyed half of the Connecticut Winsted's downtown and hollowed out its commercial base, which never really recovered. So the Minnesota Winsted is named for a fake-named former mill town that's seen much better days--about as latter-day American as you can get.Replies: @prosa123, @Paul Jolliffe
Winsted CT is no longer an industrial center but is a pleasant enough small town. It benefits from the fact that the larger city of Torrington just down the road has become a bit trendy, and northwest Connecticut in general has gotten some of the well-heeled WFH crowd.
A similar name situation occurs farther east in the state, where the city of Willimantic is part of the municipality of Windham rather than a city itself.
Hillary Clinton got a lecture from Raj Chetty in 2015.
Raj Chetty is a non-European who wants to see the United States flooded with non-Europeans. Hillary Clinton is a Baby Boomer dope who listened to the anti-White crap that Chetty was dispensing. Raj Chetty is a celebrity non-European puppet used by the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire to attack Whites.
I never did buy the smiling non-European puppets that the ruling class wants us to admire. These non-European puppets are just recent arrival whores for the ruling class.
Chetty is feted by the ruling class of the American Empire while guys like Pat Buchanan are nastily attacked. It is a frigging disgrace what these unpatriotic slobs in the American Empire’s ruling class are trying to get away with.
If Hillary Clinton had listened to Pat Buchanan for two hours, instead of this non-European oaf Chetty, she might have won the WOMP states of Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania. On second thought, maybe it was all to the good that Baby Boomer bonehead Hillary Clinton took electoral advice from this ruling class puppet Raj Chetty.
Remember, Hillary Clinton has no ancestors who fought in the American Colonial Secessionary War From The English Empire. Trump’s people didn’t get here till after the War Of Northern Aggression.
And:
For example, friending bias is higher in larger and more diverse groups and lower in religious organizations than in schools and workplaces. Distinguishing exposure from friending bias is helpful for identifying interventions to increase cross-SES friendships (economic connectedness). Using fluctuations in the share of high-SES students across high school cohorts, we show that increases in high-SES exposure lead low-SES people to form more friendships with high-SES people in schools that exhibit low levels of friending bias. Hence, socioeconomic integration can increase economic connectedness in communities where friending bias is low. In contrast, when friending bias is high, increasing cross-SES interaction among existing members may be necessary to increase economic connectedness.
Shocking news as the sun rising in the east.
SES heterogeneity (and by deduction, the SES mobility that comes with it) is more likely among a group of people that already have something in common, but less likely the more you extend the net out to the general population.
What Chetty Chetty Gang Gang is trying to sell us on is that if there was only some way to force low and high SES people together, then this will create a situation where way many more low SES people become high SES.
Let me know how that works out for you after decades of very expensive social experimentation. Spoiler alert: It won't work, or have scant few individual success stories but not enough to move any major societal needles.
This is in a way a roundabout way of the hysteria around professional networking. The problem is that professional networking relies on pre-existing commonalities. It's a non sequitur to think that you could plug any ole street Shaniqua into, e.g. the kind of networks within which I myself do personally circulate or have in the past, and expect Shaniqua to turn into me. Which is what Chetty et al. are really angling at.Replies: @GeraldB, @Arclight, @MikeJa, @Mike Tre, @AnotherDad
“ It’s a non sequitur to think that you could plug any ole street Shaniqua into, e.g. the kind of networks within which I myself do personally circulate or have in the past, and expect Shaniqua to turn into me. ”
What.. haven’t you seen Trading Places?? It’s the most Socially Scientific movie ever made!
Steve Sailer says Raj Chetty don’t know nothing about race. Lynyrd Skynyrd did a song where the singer boasts that he knows a little about love. An Unz Review commenter spilled the beans that Chetty was mentored by the departed Martin Feldstein at Harvard. Hillary Clinton gave an audience to Chetty in 2015 to help her plan her campaign for president. It all makes sense now.
Raj Chetty will never understand the United States because he can’t understand European Christians. The United States is a European Christian nation and if you don’t have that blood you will never understand the United States. Raj Chetty could read David Hackett Fischer’s “Albion’s Seed: Four British Folkways In America” a hundred times over and he still wouldn’t be able to understand the United States.
Martin Feldstein was a horrible creature who wanted to raise the retirement age to pay for tax cuts and to pay for foreign wars. Feldstein probably wanted to get the retirement age for eligibility for Social Security and Medicare to be raised to 75 or 80. No doubt Feldstein wanted the American Empire to keep pouring money into the Israel sinkhole and to continuously engage in wars on behalf of Israel.
Raj Chetty is a canary in the coal mine that says the American Empire is very close to imploding. Mass immigration has allowed people such as Raj Chetty and Martin Feldstein to ensconce themselves as hostile elements in the ruling class of the American Empire.
The United States is all about blood. Harvard guy Sam Huntington said it, and Harvard guys like Feldstein and Chetty ought to stop trying to cover it up.
I remember reading an interview with Reggie White. He said integration was terrible for the black community because all the good role models moved to the white suburbs.
Anyway, one thing I notice is how many immigrants give their kids Euro names. Of my friends/acquaintances that are 1st gen almost none have ethnic names (the exceptions are all Indians), and I know several immigrants who adopted their own Euro names and prefer to go by those and none of them are European by ancestry. One of my cleaning ladies doesn't speak a word of English but gave her son a traditional name that has no equivalent in Spanish, which to me is an interesting commitment to what she sees as a mainstream existence for her kid.Replies: @Bugg, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Cool Daddy Jimbo, @Dream
Cubans are especially enthusiastic to integrate. I know Cuban guys who can barely speak a word of English but will tell you to call them “Bob.” Not Roberto, Bob.
It's not just the language barrier - American Jews are not my people, either. We can be coexist on friendly terms but there will always be a separation. You don't have to be a Nazi to recognize and accept that.
Then he could provide some killer insights into the dynamics of the American economy and society.
Absolutely. The entire population of East St. Louis needs to be moved to Winsted ,MN as soon as possible. There is no time to be lost.
And:
For example, friending bias is higher in larger and more diverse groups and lower in religious organizations than in schools and workplaces. Distinguishing exposure from friending bias is helpful for identifying interventions to increase cross-SES friendships (economic connectedness). Using fluctuations in the share of high-SES students across high school cohorts, we show that increases in high-SES exposure lead low-SES people to form more friendships with high-SES people in schools that exhibit low levels of friending bias. Hence, socioeconomic integration can increase economic connectedness in communities where friending bias is low. In contrast, when friending bias is high, increasing cross-SES interaction among existing members may be necessary to increase economic connectedness.
Shocking news as the sun rising in the east.
SES heterogeneity (and by deduction, the SES mobility that comes with it) is more likely among a group of people that already have something in common, but less likely the more you extend the net out to the general population.
What Chetty Chetty Gang Gang is trying to sell us on is that if there was only some way to force low and high SES people together, then this will create a situation where way many more low SES people become high SES.
Let me know how that works out for you after decades of very expensive social experimentation. Spoiler alert: It won't work, or have scant few individual success stories but not enough to move any major societal needles.
This is in a way a roundabout way of the hysteria around professional networking. The problem is that professional networking relies on pre-existing commonalities. It's a non sequitur to think that you could plug any ole street Shaniqua into, e.g. the kind of networks within which I myself do personally circulate or have in the past, and expect Shaniqua to turn into me. Which is what Chetty et al. are really angling at.Replies: @GeraldB, @Arclight, @MikeJa, @Mike Tre, @AnotherDad
Great stuff countenance. That’s the whole core of it right there–thanks.
What’s amazing here to me is “The Wall”. Not Trump’s “The Wall”, but rather the ideological wall sealing off the single solitary explanation that covers about 90% of what we see–biology. Genetics and HBD.
Different people inherited different genes from their parents. And different racial and ethnic groups have wildly varying distributions of genes due to different selective environments that their ancestors were in. And men and women have different bodies and behavior–interests, tendencies–based on sexual dimorphic expression of their genes during development.
Say that–simply admit that–and you are pretty much done. The rest of explanation is just coloring in the picture. And at the individual level a lot of dumb luck and random chance.
And then once you know that, it’s reasonably straightforward to see a reasonable path forward. And that is, of course, why “The Wall” is armed and guarded.
Race and social disfunction has the highest correlation of anything ever. It is also “too true to be good”… that is, rather to obvious too be of much interest.
Since it has to be ignored, whatever is left is largely noise.
Sociologists ‘adjust for race’ when looking at social data. Although I have never seen the details of how exactly that is accomplished. There should be a textbook…but it is MIA.
big institutions give him confidential information
Big institutions give him anonymized information.
I think Raj Chetty pursues this type of research because:
1. As an immigrant, he has faith or believes in “American dream”. Anybody can achieve success independent of birth status etc., It might have been true of, say, 1946-1975 wide-eyed era. The truth is, after that, we have regressed to the (old-world? human?) norm of being considerably affected by one’s birth status etc.,
2. He may believe that people have concluded that the era of boundless optimism, supposedly the character of America/Americans is over and is working hard to prove the opposite, someway, anyway, to bring back hope to those who have lost it. That makes his work look forced.
They should publish a paper along with their wives, or, lacking those, siblings. We can refer to this as "Chetty-Chetty-Bang-Bang".Replies: @captflee
Is this the first ever PSA to appear on Unz?
Be careful out there. There’s a scamdemic coming.
The Gilbert Clock Co., which was a huge chunk of local industry, was ruined by a catastrophic 1955 flood that destroyed half of the Connecticut Winsted's downtown and hollowed out its commercial base, which never really recovered. So the Minnesota Winsted is named for a fake-named former mill town that's seen much better days--about as latter-day American as you can get.Replies: @prosa123, @Paul Jolliffe
My grandparents had a Gilbert clock.
Thanks for the backstory.
Might be more interesting to see what the mobility was in the US in 1968, a time when most households got by with one income. And how most families were a mom, a dad and 2.2 kids. As opposed to the ongoing wreck that we have today in terms of affordable family formation and quality of life.Replies: @Hypnotoad666
And maybe earlier, too. One really interesting thing about the 19th Century industrialists (aka “robber barons”) is that almost all of them came up from being clerks, bookkeepers or manual laborers. (E.g., Ford, Carnegie, Rockefeller). That’s definitely not going to happen today.
(But they were lucky enough to have no IRS back then — so I guess no tax returns for a modern maven to mine).
https://rense.com/1.mpicons/slider20200710/prot.jpg
Be careful out there. There's a scamdemic coming.Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Reg Cæsar, @Joe Stalin
Don’t let anyone come within six feet of your anus and you’ll be fine.
Voyager 2 had a productive encounter from 82,000km.
https://media.sciencephoto.com/image/r2620050/800wm/R2620050-Voyager_2_encounter_with_Uranus.jpg
As an alternative, does he perhaps actually understand the reality of HBD that he illuminates, but can’t just state it because he prefers to have a nice academic career instead of being an unemployable social pariah? Perhaps then he keeps publishing the data in the hope that other people will pick up the reality on their own? Or am I giving him too much credit, and he really is that oblivious?Replies: @Forbes, @Hypnotoad666, @Jack D, @rebel yell, @Bill, @mc23
Is he cunning or is he oblivious?
He has cunningly decided to be oblivious.
He would have understood well enough if the influx had been coming to his own community.
Again and again we see the need for self-government. The people who make the rules should have to live with the consequences of the rules. The people who have to live with the consequences of the rules should make them.
We need a Republic, an idea from the 18th century that will still be relevant a thousand years from now.
Seattle and Portland
Have you visited these places recently? All the good stuff you mentioned we had a few years back. Now we are regressing to the mean of our eastern friends, Minneapolis, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore … Not as fast and not as much may be. But definitely in that direction.
https://www.koin.com/news/crime/portland-police-dealing-with-unprecedented-violence-after-multiple-fatal-shootings/
https://www.q13fox.com/news/seattle-police-chief-concerned-about-summer-gun-violence-based-on-memorial-day-statistics
Yes, Seattle and Portland have benefited from low levels of immigration and relative homogeneity.
Would add:
They started with good founding stock. WASPS and Norwegians build good civilizations.
Things are changing – lots of immigrants here now.
The same things that make Seattle and Portland whites so good at building a good civilization – honesty, trust, civic virtues – also make them first class saps. They are easy prey for George Floyd worship.
Why is it automatically supposed that everyone wants to belong in a higher SES? That every working class person desires to be some middle class goody goody ponce. Of course, everyone wants more money, but not if it means long hours in an office kow towing to some bastard, or some rat faced female manager. I know a young woman who had a good career in finance but decided instead to become a nurse. Self employed is a much more pleasant stress free set up, even if it means you’re not earning £200,000 a year.
He said he couldn't stand the high corporate environment anymore, and that he might be making less money now, but he felt way better mentally.
HBD is heresy to the Humanist Suicide Cult of the Zion Pigs.
Do not expect one of their coolies to touch the "untouchables".
This little alien from the Asian subcontinent is no scientist.
He writes what his paymasters expect him to write.
Primarily to continue the FICTION that schvartzes lives matta.
Or something, something schvartzes, surrender Whitey.
Its so tiresome and lame at this point.
The Moon Gawds of the Copybook have Jumped the Shark.
Ethnocentrism is The New Normal.
No getting that BIG CAT into Schrodinger's Death Box.
The Angry Giant that has awakened is in a MEAN MOOD.
The Tree of Liberty is parched and ready for a big drink.
Step up to the bar, Bagel Boys.
Zion Pigs are now Kosher Bacon.
The Hunger Dogs do not care if its not really bacon.
They just want to EAT THE RICH.
I'll bring the gravy.Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
“Fed! Fed! Fed!…”
Virtually nobody reading this comment thread had any problem accurately discerning the point from my first comment here. But for the sake of the scant few people reading this with more modest cognitive abilities, and for the sake of posterity, I’m going to extend it into an analogy.
Let’s say there’s this model railroad club. George, who is the executive vice-president for something-or-another at a major Fortune 500 corporation in town belongs to it. Billy, a teenager from a family with very modest household income, also belongs to it. George and Billy strike up a relationship. George comes to realize that Billy is earnest, sincere and in fact rather smart. So George uses some of his pull and gets Billy a job in the mailroom of said Fortune 500 corporation. Forty years later, Billy rises all the way to the top and becomes CEO.
This is an example of what Chetty is talking about.
But what Chetty doesn’t realize, or doesn’t want to, is that interest in model railroads is the sine qua non of the model railroad club. Too, Billy had qualities that George noticed.
Problem is, Chetty thinks (or he wants to peddle the notion that) the model railroad club should be forced to take in any ole Jamarquavious who has zero interest in model railroads and a room temperature IQ, because somehow George will be able to put him on the track to CEO.
Big institutions give him anonymized information.
I think Raj Chetty pursues this type of research because:
1. As an immigrant, he has faith or believes in "American dream". Anybody can achieve success independent of birth status etc., It might have been true of, say, 1946-1975 wide-eyed era. The truth is, after that, we have regressed to the (old-world? human?) norm of being considerably affected by one's birth status etc.,
2. He may believe that people have concluded that the era of boundless optimism, supposedly the character of America/Americans is over and is working hard to prove the opposite, someway, anyway, to bring back hope to those who have lost it. That makes his work look forced.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Luddite in Chief
For long-term perspective, Prof Chetty should get together with the University of Copenhagen professor Peter Fibiger Bang, described by Wikipedia as a “Danish historian of Rome, empire, cross-cultural comparison and world history.” Balance future and past, as it were.
They should publish a paper along with their wives, or, lacking those, siblings. We can refer to this as “Chetty-Chetty-Bang-Bang”.
Winsted, Minnesota = No-tawnies mindset.
OT — Zawahiri was the guy we “killed” four times already, he’s some kind of modern straw dog ritual sacrifice, plus somebody remind me what part of the Ukraine, Taiwan, or the US border Mr Zawahiri was terrorizing? Trick question, were he terrorizing those areas, we’d let him, in fact we’d probably arm him.
https://rense.com/1.mpicons/slider20200710/prot.jpg
Be careful out there. There's a scamdemic coming.Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Reg Cæsar, @Joe Stalin
Colovid-19.
Let's say there's this model railroad club. George, who is the executive vice-president for something-or-another at a major Fortune 500 corporation in town belongs to it. Billy, a teenager from a family with very modest household income, also belongs to it. George and Billy strike up a relationship. George comes to realize that Billy is earnest, sincere and in fact rather smart. So George uses some of his pull and gets Billy a job in the mailroom of said Fortune 500 corporation. Forty years later, Billy rises all the way to the top and becomes CEO.
This is an example of what Chetty is talking about.
But what Chetty doesn't realize, or doesn't want to, is that interest in model railroads is the sine qua non of the model railroad club. Too, Billy had qualities that George noticed.
Problem is, Chetty thinks (or he wants to peddle the notion that) the model railroad club should be forced to take in any ole Jamarquavious who has zero interest in model railroads and a room temperature IQ, because somehow George will be able to put him on the track to CEO.Replies: @J.Ross
And various programs, clubs, TV shows, et cetera, iterations of every kind of cultural institution, have been doing that, with the result that they die, with the driving away of actual aficianados, and without actually getting any black folk over. Chetty is a malicious and destructive fakir.
Hey, who told you about my childhood. 😉
In the U.S. there is a decent amount of "churn" in social class over generations. But it would be interesting to see Chetty-style analysis on Great Britain. I get the impression that they now have a permanent prole underclass of welfare-dependent whites (and blacks).Replies: @Bugg, @AnotherDad, @Jack D, @Pixo
I prefer a society with high social mobility. I think it is a much better, much more pleasant society when individuals of talent are able to easily rise above their parents/their upbringing. And this also means the rulers are “in touch” with and part of the entire society. Much preferrable–socially and politically–to one where people are locked into their class at birth.
However, in the net what you actually want is net downward mobility.
(If that doesn’t make sense, just think about it a little bit.)
OT – Ayman al-Zawahri terminated with extreme prejudice. The wheels of justice grind slowly but they grind exceedingly fine.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/01/us/politics/al-qaeda-strike-afghanistan.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Infinite_ReachReplies: @Jack D
When it comes down to it, you're just a neocon who hates schvartzes. No worries, we're a "big tent" sort of family here.Replies: @kaganovitch, @epebble
They should publish a paper along with their wives, or, lacking those, siblings. We can refer to this as "Chetty-Chetty-Bang-Bang".Replies: @captflee
Droll as ever, sir. Perhaps the paper might touch upon the influence of Zborowskian cufflinks upon Manhattan real property prices.
If you are against halting mass immigration you hate African Americans, it's that simple.Replies: @Jack D
Not at \$35/ hr. there ain’t.
As you note, at the end of the day people will leverage their networks for people who seem to be like them in terms of values, aspirations, values, etc. Black American culture broadly speaking is more estranged from that of the upper 20% that makes society go than any other group, and ignoring this massive chasm leads to awful politics and policy.Replies: @Barnard, @Jack D, @Jim Don Bob, @Thomm
One evening I tried to explain to some of my right wing friends that blacks are not white people with darker skins, but rather fundamentally different. I got the usual “I had a black friend in ___” pushback. We’d been drinking so I dropped the subject.
Not sure if it was ignorance or willful blindness.
Right. In 1968 it was either the Kerner report or DP Moynihan who warned that 30% black illegitimacy was a problem; the report was roundly denounced.
Today black illegitimacy is 70% and white is 30%.
2) Just got through reading Amity Shlaes Great Society which was good. In it she said that DPM was the one who proposed to JFK that federal workers be allowed to unionize. He also wrote the architecture style guide for new federal buildings which resulted in such Brutalism monsters as the FBI HQ.
A very smart man who supported and espoused stupid things, and had a reputation as the Democrat maverick equivalent of John McCain, but always voted with the Ds.
Britney Griner in a video interview at the Sports Illustrated website from 2013:
https://www.si.com/sports-illustrated/video/2013/04/18/griner-top-wnba-picks-talk-sexuality-sports
Steve mentioned this interview on Twitter today. Voice is 100% male. Stephen plays that she may be some sort of intersex condition, or trans.Replies: @Jim Don Bob
I could not care less what sex Britney Griner is. She took drugs into the USSR and deserves whatever she/he gets.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/01/us/politics/al-qaeda-strike-afghanistan.htmlReplies: @Daniel H, @Charon
Yeah right. Because China would never be so rude as to disrupt the American news-cycle on a matter that is so favorable to demented Joe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Infinite_Reach
China is not getting this off the front page unless they shoot down Pelosi's plane.Replies: @epebble, @Mike Tre
He uses this rigged artifact to tell the usual story about "systemic racism" or whatever. But all his mobility data is just groups regressing to their respective means. Of course if he started asking why blacks are always one SD below the white average wherever they are, he'd be getting into dangerous territory.Replies: @Jack D, @Technite78
This is pretty much it.
If someone could design a proficiency test for a desirable occupation that didn’t result in the usual racial breakdowns, they would become rich and famous overnight. Of course, this hasn’t happened because it is essentially impossible to do this in a non-trivial and honestly useful way.
In the meantime, people like Chetty become reasonably well-off and well-known producing research that suggests there may be a way to improve economic outcomes for groups that perform poorly on the above-mentioned proficiency tests, even if they (consciously or unconsciously) ignore the obvious flaws in their theories.
Big institutions give him anonymized information.
I think Raj Chetty pursues this type of research because:
1. As an immigrant, he has faith or believes in "American dream". Anybody can achieve success independent of birth status etc., It might have been true of, say, 1946-1975 wide-eyed era. The truth is, after that, we have regressed to the (old-world? human?) norm of being considerably affected by one's birth status etc.,
2. He may believe that people have concluded that the era of boundless optimism, supposedly the character of America/Americans is over and is working hard to prove the opposite, someway, anyway, to bring back hope to those who have lost it. That makes his work look forced.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Luddite in Chief
Anonymised or not, doesn’t the turning over of this information to R. Chetty by these big institutions mean that it is not, in fact, confidential information any more?
https://www.census.gov/data.html
It requires considerable skill to process it though. Fear not, Census Bureau will train you for free.
https://www.census.gov/data/academy.html
So, this notion that Dr. Chetty is some special guy is not true. If you do the work he does, you will get it too. Of course, it helps if you have an Economics Ph. D. from some fancy school. Then Census Bureau may even designate a guy or two to help you.Replies: @J.Ross
As an alternative, does he perhaps actually understand the reality of HBD that he illuminates, but can’t just state it because he prefers to have a nice academic career instead of being an unemployable social pariah? Perhaps then he keeps publishing the data in the hope that other people will pick up the reality on their own? Or am I giving him too much credit, and he really is that oblivious?Replies: @Forbes, @Hypnotoad666, @Jack D, @rebel yell, @Bill, @mc23
Where does he live?
EVERYTHING is freaking “terrible” to those gibbering idiots. Being separate from Whites is bad, being together with Whites is bad. Strict laws and tough policing is bad, lax laws and hands-off cops are bad. Try to help them-bad. Leave them alone-bad. They were excluded from every part of American life, yet somehow they built this country.
Blax never had any “role models”. Never listen to these con men. It’s all BS trying to grift your money or shame you into ignoring the ruin of our country.
PS: You could give some poor Viet Cong or Korean pieface immigrant that comes here five grand and leave him alone, and 30 years later he’ll have some business with 10 stores and kids in Ivy League schools.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Infinite_ReachReplies: @Jack D
Trump had 4 years to take him out and he didn’t do it so Biden gets credit (not that he had anything to do with it). I’m willing to give Biden credit as long as Zawahiri is dead. Hell, I’d give Putin credit. The dead deserve justice.
China is not getting this off the front page unless they shoot down Pelosi’s plane.
That would be provocative. They will try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident
strategy if there are no military aircraft accompanying. If there are military escorts, then they might try to shoot them down but try a "Hainan" on Pelosi's plane.Replies: @epebble
Who knew there were so many Hispanics in Georgia??
In the U.S. there is a decent amount of "churn" in social class over generations. But it would be interesting to see Chetty-style analysis on Great Britain. I get the impression that they now have a permanent prole underclass of welfare-dependent whites (and blacks).Replies: @Bugg, @AnotherDad, @Jack D, @Pixo
Maybe it will be like Lake Woebegone (Begone, Garrison Keillor) where all the children are above average. Or “No Child Left Behind” where the joke was made into a law. In the leftist imagination, nothing is impossible if it feelz right. Maf OTOH is hard.
https://rense.com/1.mpicons/slider20200710/prot.jpg
Be careful out there. There's a scamdemic coming.Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Reg Cæsar, @Joe Stalin
Sunflower ag products are going to result in shortages of Halloween candy I hear.
To give you an idea of the magnitude, US consumption of soy oil is 11 million metric tons (and that's just in ONE Chinese restaurant) and sunflower oil is .328 million metric tons so maybe 3% as much.
Raj Chetty is a non-European who wants to see the United States flooded with non-Europeans. Hillary Clinton is a Baby Boomer dope who listened to the anti-White crap that Chetty was dispensing. Raj Chetty is a celebrity non-European puppet used by the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire to attack Whites.
I never did buy the smiling non-European puppets that the ruling class wants us to admire. These non-European puppets are just recent arrival whores for the ruling class.
Chetty is feted by the ruling class of the American Empire while guys like Pat Buchanan are nastily attacked. It is a frigging disgrace what these unpatriotic slobs in the American Empire’s ruling class are trying to get away with.
If Hillary Clinton had listened to Pat Buchanan for two hours, instead of this non-European oaf Chetty, she might have won the WOMP states of Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania. On second thought, maybe it was all to the good that Baby Boomer bonehead Hillary Clinton took electoral advice from this ruling class puppet Raj Chetty.
Remember, Hillary Clinton has no ancestors who fought in the American Colonial Secessionary War From The English Empire. Trump's people didn't get here till after the War Of Northern Aggression.
https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/587631217677316096?s=20&t=RTpvSRibuJ5UYsNze4kX6gReplies: @JR Ewing
This is funny. I always pictured Raj Chetty as the wrong Raj. I always pictured the swarthy insider trading Raj:
https://images.app.goo.gl/27HFGnFWixa9V7McA
Once identification information is removed, it is just statistical data. In fact, you can get all the data you want.
https://www.census.gov/data.html
It requires considerable skill to process it though. Fear not, Census Bureau will train you for free.
https://www.census.gov/data/academy.html
So, this notion that Dr. Chetty is some special guy is not true. If you do the work he does, you will get it too. Of course, it helps if you have an Economics Ph. D. from some fancy school. Then Census Bureau may even designate a guy or two to help you.
I remember a comment by a black guy who went to some elite ivy university. When asked what was his biggest regret, he said it was joining a black fraternity and losing contact with the white friends he made when he first arrived in college.
The same family dynamic does not exist in black families – there are no male role models other than maybe drug dealers and rappers.
The difference in the employment-to-population ratio between blacks and others is concentrated in the population under the age of 20. For those over the age of 20, that ratio has been as follows during this calendar year:
Male, white / hispanic: 0.6785
Male, black: 0.6455
Female, white / hispanic: 0.5545
Female, black: 0.586
There are 42 occupations which together account for just over half the working blacks in the United States. The individual occupations on the list account for between 0.5% and 3.5% of that working population.
Driver/sales workers and truck drivers
Customer service representatives
Cashiers
Laborers and freight, stock, and material movers, hand
Registered nurses
Nursing assistants
Janitors and building cleaners
Retail salespersons
Stockers and order fillers
Personal care aides
Elementary and middle school teachers
First-line supervisors of retail sales workers
Cooks
Security guards and gambling surveillance officers
Maids and housekeeping cleaners
Secretaries and administrative assistants, except legal, medical, and executive
Receptionists and information clerks
Home health aides
Office clerks, general
Construction laborers
Couriers and messengers
Accountants and auditors
Teaching assistants
Industrial truck and tractor operators
Licensed practical and licensed vocational nurses
First-line supervisors of office and administrative support workers
Waiters and waitresses
Packers and packagers, hand
Childcare workers
Education and childcare administrators
Food service managers
Food preparation workers
Human resources workers
Financial managers
Medical and health services managers
Landscaping and groundskeeping workers
Software developers
Medical assistants
General and operations managers
Fast food and counter workers
Shipping, receiving, and inventory clerks
Chief executives
Male, white / hispanic: 0.6785
Male, black: 0.6455Female, white / hispanic: 0.5545
Female, black: 0.586
There are 42 occupations which together account for just over half the working blacks in the United States. The individual occupations on the list account for between 0.5% and 3.5% of that working population. Driver/sales workers and truck drivers
Customer service representatives
Cashiers
Laborers and freight, stock, and material movers, hand
Registered nurses
Nursing assistants
Janitors and building cleaners
Retail salespersons
Stockers and order fillers
Personal care aides
Elementary and middle school teachers
First-line supervisors of retail sales workers
Cooks
Security guards and gambling surveillance officers
Maids and housekeeping cleaners
Secretaries and administrative assistants, except legal, medical, and executive
Receptionists and information clerks
Home health aides
Office clerks, general
Construction laborers
Couriers and messengers
Accountants and auditors
Teaching assistants
Industrial truck and tractor operators
Licensed practical and licensed vocational nurses
First-line supervisors of office and administrative support workers
Waiters and waitresses
Packers and packagers, hand
Childcare workers
Education and childcare administrators
Food service managers
Food preparation workers
Human resources workers
Financial managers
Medical and health services managers
Landscaping and groundskeeping workers
Software developers
Medical assistants
General and operations managers
Fast food and counter workers
Shipping, receiving, and inventory clerks
Chief executivesReplies: @Jack D
Now tell me the % of illegitimacy among blacks to the 4th decimal place. Yo’ mama’s baby daddy , who has a 2 out of 3 chance of having a job as a security guard or some such, ain’t a role model if you never see him.
1. Whoever their 'role models' are, this is what they actually do for a living.
2. About 1/2 of all black children live with their father or with their stepfather. No clue how often noncustodial fathers see their children.
In the U.S. there is a decent amount of "churn" in social class over generations. But it would be interesting to see Chetty-style analysis on Great Britain. I get the impression that they now have a permanent prole underclass of welfare-dependent whites (and blacks).Replies: @Bugg, @AnotherDad, @Jack D, @Pixo
“But it would be interesting to see Chetty-style analysis on Great Britain.”
https://www.takimag.com/article/give_it_up_psmithe_steves_sailer/
I read a torrented PDF of the book, it was great.
“I get the impression that they now have a permanent prole underclass of welfare-dependent whites (and blacks).”
My impression is the white and black underclass in the UK is mixing even more than in the USA due to the UK’s
white underclass being less racist, more immoral, and much more likely to live in racially diverse public housing.
Relatedly, just watched another torrent involving English underclassmen, The Long Good Friday, from 1980. Fun and very well made action movie whose lead is an upwardly mobile cockney gangster.
In Europe, sunflower oil is a very popular veg. oil but canola, soy and corn are more popular here (among the neutral tasting oils). You can usually get these last 3 in any supermarket but sunflower oil (and its byproducts like lecithin) is a specialty item in the US. Your sources appear to be UK. TBH, we aren’t going to fee the sunflower oil shortage in the US – it’s not an important product here the way that it is in Europe.
To give you an idea of the magnitude, US consumption of soy oil is 11 million metric tons (and that’s just in ONE Chinese restaurant) and sunflower oil is .328 million metric tons so maybe 3% as much.
“ within six feet of your anus”
Voyager 2 had a productive encounter from 82,000km.
Yeah, I noticed this too.
There are a crazy number of Asian guys named “Kevin.”
What’s the deal?
Lots of east Asian boys like using the names of famous scientists as their English names.Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
Chetty Chetty bang bang.
OT
The new Florida regulation that eases the requirements for veterans to teach is really brilliant, on the level of some of Stephen Miller’s sneaky, clever immigration reduction schemes.
1. It’s tricky to criticize because giving veterans privileges is an established American value, so progressive teachers unions have to tiptoe and pull their punches (although some teacher reps are coming down hard on this).
2. It’s likely to increase the number of male teachers, as well as reduce the proportion of gender/sexual preference not-normal teachers (but yeah, you’ll get a few autogynes)
3. It will bring in teachers that have not passed through the low-IQ, high-brainwashing filter of an education school.
4. Veterans will at least have passed the AFQT, a legitimate IQ test, which I reckon most black female school administrator types could not pass.
5. Male veterans will probably have more of an authoritative presence in the classroom and will be better at discipline.
6. Veterans have experience in an organization that is color blind without racial preferences.
7. Although at first veterans will not have to complete a college degree, they will need 60 college credits, which is three or four semesters, and that will likely be in a subject other than education. I’d say that a couple of years of a non-education/grievance studies major requires more brain power than an education graduate has.
https://www.fldoe.org/teaching/certification/military/
The white people moved on up and out, like the Jeffersons.
China is not getting this off the front page unless they shoot down Pelosi's plane.Replies: @epebble, @Mike Tre
they shoot down Pelosi’s plane.
That would be provocative. They will try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident
strategy if there are no military aircraft accompanying. If there are military escorts, then they might try to shoot them down but try a “Hainan” on Pelosi’s plane.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nancy-pelosi-lands-taiwan-chinese-threats-military-activityReplies: @J.Ross
Illegitimacy is certainly bad and usually goes along with unstable family situations, but it often isn’t the same thing as a totally absent father. The wider point Art is getting at here is that most blacks aren’t members of the ghetto underclass (although that underclass is disproportionately large and an even larger share of blacks have at least some sociocultural ties to it).
“Raciaol” is a form of racism which has acquired the C-O-H group.
Pressed seed oils are the devil anyway.
OTOH, the veg. oil you buy in the store is highly processed (although I'm still not sure it is really BAD for you). The process sounds scary (during one step they add basically gasoline to the ground seeds to dissolve more of the oil) but I'm not sure the end product really is.Replies: @Joe Stalin
Thank goodness that only maybe 1/3 of blacks (the bottom 1/3 whose IQ’s are mostly below 80) are in the ghetto underclass. Imagine the havoc if they all were. It’s bad enough as it is.
https://www.census.gov/data.html
It requires considerable skill to process it though. Fear not, Census Bureau will train you for free.
https://www.census.gov/data/academy.html
So, this notion that Dr. Chetty is some special guy is not true. If you do the work he does, you will get it too. Of course, it helps if you have an Economics Ph. D. from some fancy school. Then Census Bureau may even designate a guy or two to help you.Replies: @J.Ross
There is a pattern of Indians expecting extraordinary credit for doing unimpressive things, which often were not done by others because they were tedious and unnecessary.
As an alternative, does he perhaps actually understand the reality of HBD that he illuminates, but can’t just state it because he prefers to have a nice academic career instead of being an unemployable social pariah? Perhaps then he keeps publishing the data in the hope that other people will pick up the reality on their own? Or am I giving him too much credit, and he really is that oblivious?Replies: @Forbes, @Hypnotoad666, @Jack D, @rebel yell, @Bill, @mc23
Ask Raj, now do India & it’s caste system.
As you note, at the end of the day people will leverage their networks for people who seem to be like them in terms of values, aspirations, values, etc. Black American culture broadly speaking is more estranged from that of the upper 20% that makes society go than any other group, and ignoring this massive chasm leads to awful politics and policy.Replies: @Barnard, @Jack D, @Jim Don Bob, @Thomm
Don’t forget that Ron Unz believes the same thing about Mestizo Mexicans, to the extent of writing an entire article series about this (for which the absence of updates that incorporate 2020 census data is conspicuous, as if his predictions were right he would have said so by now).
The grey area RUnzie Baby thrives in is in the fact that these Mestizos get close enough for any remaining delta to be seen as a rounding error relative to blacks. Thus, the summarized version of his 40,000 word Hispanic Crime series is :
“After adjusting for age brackets, gender balance, and US-born vs. foreign-born status, Mestizos from Mexico and Central America have a crime rate that is just 1.6x that of whites. 60% higher might seem like a lot, but when you consider that blacks have a crime rate 8x that of whites, the difference between 1x and 1.6x seems meaningless. When Hispanics replace blacks in a particular area, the entire aura of fear and menace in the air goes down a lot. Hence, Mestizo Hispanics will converge up to whites in crime rates, IQ, height, patents filed, female waist-to-hip ratio, and more!”.
https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2022/07/wittgenstein-at-warReplies: @HammerJack
Ah, the old days — way back when those were considered undesirable traits!
Although I will say the my Lefty neighbors seem to have lost interest in poor people of any color and certainly wouldn't go for poor blacks in the neighborhood.
They used to talk about poor blacks, not that they'd ever actually want to live around them, but they did talk about them. Not anymore.
Chetty might be peddling last year's fashion.Replies: @HammerJack
They’ll all turn around again the next time there’s an event. The next mass media extravaganza. Might be arranged before November. But not too much before then, as the American public have proven time and again that they have the attention span of a gnat.
A similar name situation occurs farther east in the state, where the city of Willimantic is part of the municipality of Windham rather than a city itself.Replies: @HammerJack, @slumber_j
Litchfield is still a pleasant locale, all things considered, but it’s been flooded with New Yorkers who are trying to escape what New Yorkers have done to Fairfield.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/01/us/politics/al-qaeda-strike-afghanistan.htmlReplies: @Daniel H, @Charon
Justice, huh? When was the trial?
When it comes down to it, you’re just a neocon who hates schvartzes. No worries, we’re a “big tent” sort of family here.
"Justice" doesn't necessarily refer to the judicial branch of government (process justice). It may also refer to God's justice (results justice). Suppose Victoria Nuland was on a trip to Ukraine and she was posing for a photo op next to a HIMARS launcher which then toppled over and squashed her. Many would call that justice. Would you then object "When was the trial"? As I'm sure you know, the original 'sprichwort' (at least in English version)that Jack was referencing is "Though the mills of God grind slowly; Yet they grind exceeding small" i.e. we are talking of Cosmic justice, not administrative process.Replies: @Jack D, @Charon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war_theory
I worked with a Norwegian guy who quit his high management position to go work for Statoil Post office.
He said he couldn’t stand the high corporate environment anymore, and that he might be making less money now, but he felt way better mentally.
There are a crazy number of Asian guys named "Kevin."
What's the deal?Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
Kevin or Kelvin?
Lots of east Asian boys like using the names of famous scientists as their English names.
That’s gross. How about buttpox?
Anyway, one thing I notice is how many immigrants give their kids Euro names. Of my friends/acquaintances that are 1st gen almost none have ethnic names (the exceptions are all Indians), and I know several immigrants who adopted their own Euro names and prefer to go by those and none of them are European by ancestry. One of my cleaning ladies doesn't speak a word of English but gave her son a traditional name that has no equivalent in Spanish, which to me is an interesting commitment to what she sees as a mainstream existence for her kid.Replies: @Bugg, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Cool Daddy Jimbo, @Dream
Then White people need to stop crying about White replacement and genocide( assimilation leads to race-mixing, which reduces white numbers).
Please also accept your Indian and Chinese overlords, they are considerably more talented than upper-middle class whites let alone your typical dumb redneck rube.
OT — Thomas Friedman — neocon, Putin-hater, apologist for ITWITW, NYT bloviator emeritus — Thomas Friedman says Elensky can kick rocks.
https://archive.ph/aQ2YS
Yo’ mama’s baby daddy , who has a 2 out of 3 chance of having a job as a security guard or some such, ain’t a role model if you never see him.
1. Whoever their ‘role models’ are, this is what they actually do for a living.
2. About 1/2 of all black children live with their father or with their stepfather. No clue how often noncustodial fathers see their children.
Chetty is not dumb but he doesn't want to end up being a pariah like Charles Murray. How many people are willing to crash and burn their careers in some fearless pursuit of the truth, wherever it may take you? Most people want an easy life. They don't want to be heckled at every public appearance and have their house picketed and vandalized. The reward system, especially in academia, is deeply, deeply tilted toward going along with Leftism and not fighting against it.
Amy Wax is 69 and in the twilight of her career so she feels that she can say whatever she thinks. And even at her age, there are very few with her courage.
Chetty is 42 and has a family to raise. He would have to be nuts to rock the boat.Replies: @bomag
Apt analysis, but the irritating thing is that academia likes to brag about following truth wherever it leads, blah blah blah.
There’s a psychological phenomenon here where we instinctively value truth and free inquiry, but really don’t want it when faced with some of the results.
Employment-to-population ratios among blacks are about 10% lower than those of the rest of the population, and the difference is concentrated among those under 20. The slum population consists largely of impecunious wage-earners. The actual lumpenproletarian population is about 1/3 of the total (and blacks as often as not do not live in slums anymore). The problem people are the lumpen element and the out-of-control adolescent / post-adolescent sons of wage-earning families.
Anyone who’s been to Georgia in the past 30-some years, that’s who.
Spix, dothead street schitters, pieface ghookers, allah akbars, and homegrown pavement apes–rumor has it there are even a few Whites.
Seriously, not just Ga.–it’s the same all over SC, NC, Tennessee, Virginia, etc–and all over the Midwest. Little towns in Ohio with battalions of spix. Indiana, too. Downstate Illinois.
We’re done for. Just haven’t bled out yet.
However, in the net what you actually want is net downward mobility.
(If that doesn't make sense, just think about it a little bit.)Replies: @bomag
Whoa. I think you’re suggesting that the people and conditions in the lower class improve and drift toward a universally nice life.
A similar name situation occurs farther east in the state, where the city of Willimantic is part of the municipality of Windham rather than a city itself.Replies: @HammerJack, @slumber_j
Yeah, Winsted is fine, sort of. We end up there a lot as we’re like one town over in the summer and whatnot. However, there’s a lot of poverty and drugs.
The original village of Winchester is beautiful but inconvenient as it’s now in the middle of nowhere.
Maybe a decade ago a friend’s car was broken into in the parking lot of the now-defunct IGA in downtown Winsted. The only thing they stole was a bottle of bleach.
When it comes down to it, you're just a neocon who hates schvartzes. No worries, we're a "big tent" sort of family here.Replies: @kaganovitch, @epebble
Justice, huh? When was the trial?
“Justice” doesn’t necessarily refer to the judicial branch of government (process justice). It may also refer to God’s justice (results justice). Suppose Victoria Nuland was on a trip to Ukraine and she was posing for a photo op next to a HIMARS launcher which then toppled over and squashed her. Many would call that justice. Would you then object “When was the trial”? As I’m sure you know, the original ‘sprichwort’ (at least in English version)that Jack was referencing is “Though the mills of God grind slowly; Yet they grind exceeding small” i.e. we are talking of Cosmic justice, not administrative process.
"Justice" doesn't necessarily refer to the judicial branch of government (process justice). It may also refer to God's justice (results justice). Suppose Victoria Nuland was on a trip to Ukraine and she was posing for a photo op next to a HIMARS launcher which then toppled over and squashed her. Many would call that justice. Would you then object "When was the trial"? As I'm sure you know, the original 'sprichwort' (at least in English version)that Jack was referencing is "Though the mills of God grind slowly; Yet they grind exceeding small" i.e. we are talking of Cosmic justice, not administrative process.Replies: @Jack D, @Charon
In Deuteronomy 16:20, when its say “justice, justice shall you seek”, it doesn’t mean that you should start a lot of lawsuits.
Zawahiri was killed with the kind of missile that has spinning blades instead of explosives (so it doesn’t kill anyone else, which it didn’t). I’d like to think that Zawahiri himself would have preferred to die by the sword than to spend the next 20 years in a jail cell, sitting thru endless hearings and appeals so he could be executed at age 88. He wanted martyrdom, not legal briefs.
Zawarhiri himself was not big on trials for his victims. No one who is not insane thinks that his guilt was in doubt in any way.
It’s easy to fetishize the rituals of justice with actually achieving justice. The map is not the territory. In places like China and Russia you get the rituals of justice without actually getting justice (the conviction rate in China is over 99%). It’s what Feynman would have called cargo cult justice. There’s a courtroom, there are judges, they are lawyers, but there is no actual justice – it’s all just a show and the outcome is predetermined. Zawahiri received justice without the rituals. Which is better – rituals without justice or justice without rituals?
If you are into procedure, surely there were plenty of Presidential “findings” and memos and so on before the CIA was allowed to put a hit on him. It’s not like Russia where Putin can order a hit squad for whomever he personally doesn’t like.
Having spent my entire life as an “Anglo” in Miami, I’ve known quite a few Cubans. They have their good points and their bad points. But they are not my people.
It’s not just the language barrier – American Jews are not my people, either. We can be coexist on friendly terms but there will always be a separation. You don’t have to be a Nazi to recognize and accept that.
I think Chetty has fallen into the trap that telling Americans that their country is “Exceptional” makes them happy. That is a cynical ploy used by politicians to win elections by spreading cost-free feelgoodness. For a professional to believe in it leads to these “An insect with all legs cutoff becomes deaf and hence cannot jump when ordered “ conclusions.
When it comes down to it, you're just a neocon who hates schvartzes. No worries, we're a "big tent" sort of family here.Replies: @kaganovitch, @epebble
This is justice as in Just war, not in a Court of Law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war_theory
That would be provocative. They will try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident
strategy if there are no military aircraft accompanying. If there are military escorts, then they might try to shoot them down but try a "Hainan" on Pelosi's plane.Replies: @epebble
Looks like Nancy landed in Taiwan without being Hainaned.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nancy-pelosi-lands-taiwan-chinese-threats-military-activity
If you are into procedure, surely there were plenty of Presidential “findings” and memos and so on before the CIA was allowed to put a hit on him. It’s not like Russia where Putin can order a hit squad for whomever he personally doesn’t like.
I’m not entirely sure that difference is as sharp as we would like. Serendipitously ,I was listening to a Dzigan routine this morning where he says “Vus iz der untersheyd tzuvishen a diktatur und a demokratye? Diktatur iz an ordnung in aza land vi der regirung tut vus zi vill und dos folk tur zikh nisht areynmishen. Demokratye iz vidder an ordnung in aza land vi dos folk meyg zikh yoh areynmishen und der regirung tit sy v’sy vos es vill.” Translation: “What is the difference between a dictatorial system and a Democracy? A dictatorial system is a form of Government where the Government does as it pleases and the people are not permitted involvement/voting. Democracy on the other hand is a system where the people ARE involved/vote and the Government nevertheless does as it pleases.” v’dapchach
It's a funny joke but I'm not 100% sure it is true. Here is a list of 10 domestic critics of Vladimir Putin who died violently or in suspicious ways:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/23/here-are-ten-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-violently-or-in-suspicious-ways/
Could Biden similarly arrange unfortunate accidents for 10 of his domestic critics? I doubt it.
2nd, the nuance that Dzigan misses is that a democratic government, even if its power is to some extent unchecked in between elections (and the Founders spent a lot of time and thought constructing checks) can only do "vos es vill" until the next election. This is the primary way in which the public can areynmishen in what the government does. Do democratic government make mistakes? Sure, but generally not for long if the mistakes are bad enough. Whereas in a dictatorship the mistakes go on for decade after decade and tend to get worse and worse over time.Replies: @kaganovitch
Would add:
They started with good founding stock. WASPS and Norwegians build good civilizations.
Things are changing - lots of immigrants here now.
The same things that make Seattle and Portland whites so good at building a good civilization - honesty, trust, civic virtues - also make them first class saps. They are easy prey for George Floyd worship.Replies: @Bill Jones
The phrase I see kicking around increasingly more often is “Pathological Altruism”.
There have been studies claiming it is possible to get good estimates of IQ from a person’s social media posts.
So, Chetty could analyse this data taking into account IQ estimates. That would be much more interesting.
https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/atonement/#more-17700Replies: @Known Fact
Check out Kunstler’s Eyesore of the Month — a 28-foot tall Afro-pick topped by a black power fist installed in New Orleans’ Lafayette Square thanks to a \$7.2-million taxpayer grant to recognize black artists in honor of Juneteenth
First of all, this shows that this debate has been going on for a long time. Probably back to the time of the ancient Greeks.
It’s a funny joke but I’m not 100% sure it is true. Here is a list of 10 domestic critics of Vladimir Putin who died violently or in suspicious ways:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/23/here-are-ten-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-violently-or-in-suspicious-ways/
Could Biden similarly arrange unfortunate accidents for 10 of his domestic critics? I doubt it.
2nd, the nuance that Dzigan misses is that a democratic government, even if its power is to some extent unchecked in between elections (and the Founders spent a lot of time and thought constructing checks) can only do “vos es vill” until the next election. This is the primary way in which the public can areynmishen in what the government does. Do democratic government make mistakes? Sure, but generally not for long if the mistakes are bad enough. Whereas in a dictatorship the mistakes go on for decade after decade and tend to get worse and worse over time.
I (and Dzigan)didn't mean they were indistinguishable, just that the difference is not as sharp as we would like. Generally I think Dzigan's joke refers more to the perma-bureaucracy than the elected Head of State, i. e. to Peter Sztrok et al more than Joe Biden. I have to say that over the last decade or so, I have become progressively less sure that we have the trade off between Civil Service protection and the corruption it's designed to prevent on the one hand and the accumulation of Governmental power in the administrative bureaucracy on the other hand, calibrated properly.
Although the opportunity to 'throw the bums out' every few years is,indeed,significant, it has become less so in light of A)the recent manipulation of election law/procedure to ensure certain results. And B) The long march of the Left/Progs through the administrative state and the Jihad that the New Class is waging against 'the deplorables' of which the subversion/mutiny of large parts of the administrative state against the democratically elected Pres. Trump is just one example.Replies: @J.Ross
Add to this (1/3 of all blacks plus many of the young sons (and increasingly daughters) of working blacks and you are talking about a substantial % of the black population) the fact that blacks are concentrated in our big cities, which should be our cultural capitals. Blacks made cities unlivable after WWII, which contributed to white flight and the dissolution of the old ethnic neighborhoods. Whites ended up in suburban anonymity where they were atomized and homogenized as deracinated “consumers”. This suited corporate America just fine (“See you at the mall!”) but it really contributed to the breakdown of civil society.
Add to this (1/3 of all blacks plus many of the young sons (and increasingly daughters) of working blacks and you are talking about a substantial % of the black population)
I said 1/3 of the slum population, not 1/3 of the whole black population.
Blacks made cities unlivable after WWII, which contributed to white flight and the dissolution of the old ethnic neighborhoods. Whites ended up in suburban anonymity where they were atomized and homogenized as deracinated “consumers”
See Ernest van den Haag on this point. Crime rates were declining in this country from about 1910 to 1950 in the most part. By way of example, the homicide rate in the United States in 1930 was about the same as it was in 1980. It was in 1950 and 1960 that it was a great deal lower. The decay in the quality of live in core cities began in the late 1940s (see Thomas Sowell on how this played out in his old neighborhood in Manhattan), a generation after the beginning of the Great Migration. See also James Q Wilson on the abrupt crash in the level of public order in core cities after 1963. See what you’re seeing now. It isn’t the presence of blacks which does this, but how the institutions of the larger society react to the troublesome element in all segments of the population, urban blacks more saliently than others.
People moved out to suburban locales for a variety of reasons. Crime was one, school disorder was another, a desire for more space another. I don’t care for suburban town planning, but it must appeal to someone. As for ethnic neighborhoods, there wasn’t anything that prevented them from reassembling in suburban locations except a deficit of interest. Even mild preferences over who you’d prefer to have as a neighbor will induce noticeable ethnic clustering. (And there was some) Where I grew up, both Jews and Italians tended to cluster in certain sections of the county outside the core city. One thing that might have induced more ethnic clustering would have been Catholic parish life in the suburbs, but the Catholic Church generally (and in affluent countries in particular) has been in the business of self-immolation for 60 years now.
If you want improved quality of life, actually rewarding satisfactory performance and sanctioning bad behavior will get it for you. Witless kvetching gets you nothing.
Also the war had really exposed people to people of other ethnicities in the military, and the new American born generation was more assimilated and English speaking and so they were more comfortable with the idea of living in a community with various (white) ethnic groups, especially in a suburban setting where people were not living literally on top of each other.
The old ethnic neighborhoods had elaborately self-assembled themselves into urban villages over many decades and black blockbusting came thru like a bulldozer and swept it all away.Replies: @Art Deco
Lots of east Asian boys like using the names of famous scientists as their English names.Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
Kevin.
I said 1/3 of the slum population, not 1/3 of the whole black population.
Blacks made cities unlivable after WWII, which contributed to white flight and the dissolution of the old ethnic neighborhoods. Whites ended up in suburban anonymity where they were atomized and homogenized as deracinated “consumers”
See Ernest van den Haag on this point. Crime rates were declining in this country from about 1910 to 1950 in the most part. By way of example, the homicide rate in the United States in 1930 was about the same as it was in 1980. It was in 1950 and 1960 that it was a great deal lower. The decay in the quality of live in core cities began in the late 1940s (see Thomas Sowell on how this played out in his old neighborhood in Manhattan), a generation after the beginning of the Great Migration. See also James Q Wilson on the abrupt crash in the level of public order in core cities after 1963. See what you're seeing now. It isn't the presence of blacks which does this, but how the institutions of the larger society react to the troublesome element in all segments of the population, urban blacks more saliently than others.
People moved out to suburban locales for a variety of reasons. Crime was one, school disorder was another, a desire for more space another. I don't care for suburban town planning, but it must appeal to someone. As for ethnic neighborhoods, there wasn't anything that prevented them from reassembling in suburban locations except a deficit of interest. Even mild preferences over who you'd prefer to have as a neighbor will induce noticeable ethnic clustering. (And there was some) Where I grew up, both Jews and Italians tended to cluster in certain sections of the county outside the core city. One thing that might have induced more ethnic clustering would have been Catholic parish life in the suburbs, but the Catholic Church generally (and in affluent countries in particular) has been in the business of self-immolation for 60 years now.
If you want improved quality of life, actually rewarding satisfactory performance and sanctioning bad behavior will get it for you. Witless kvetching gets you nothing.Replies: @J.Ross, @Jack D
Blacks making cities unlivable includes but does not stop at reported crime.
Ethnic urban slums, which some people appear to be nostalgic for, were rife with polio, TB, vermin and countless other problems besides crime. Most people were well pleased to get out of them.
It's a funny joke but I'm not 100% sure it is true. Here is a list of 10 domestic critics of Vladimir Putin who died violently or in suspicious ways:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/23/here-are-ten-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-violently-or-in-suspicious-ways/
Could Biden similarly arrange unfortunate accidents for 10 of his domestic critics? I doubt it.
2nd, the nuance that Dzigan misses is that a democratic government, even if its power is to some extent unchecked in between elections (and the Founders spent a lot of time and thought constructing checks) can only do "vos es vill" until the next election. This is the primary way in which the public can areynmishen in what the government does. Do democratic government make mistakes? Sure, but generally not for long if the mistakes are bad enough. Whereas in a dictatorship the mistakes go on for decade after decade and tend to get worse and worse over time.Replies: @kaganovitch
It’s a funny joke but I’m not 100% sure it is true. Here is a list of 10 domestic critics of Vladimir Putin who died violently or in suspicious ways:
I (and Dzigan)didn’t mean they were indistinguishable, just that the difference is not as sharp as we would like. Generally I think Dzigan’s joke refers more to the perma-bureaucracy than the elected Head of State, i. e. to Peter Sztrok et al more than Joe Biden. I have to say that over the last decade or so, I have become progressively less sure that we have the trade off between Civil Service protection and the corruption it’s designed to prevent on the one hand and the accumulation of Governmental power in the administrative bureaucracy on the other hand, calibrated properly.
Although the opportunity to ‘throw the bums out’ every few years is,indeed,significant, it has become less so in light of A)the recent manipulation of election law/procedure to ensure certain results. And B) The long march of the Left/Progs through the administrative state and the Jihad that the New Class is waging against ‘the deplorables’ of which the subversion/mutiny of large parts of the administrative state against the democratically elected Pres. Trump is just one example.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nancy-pelosi-lands-taiwan-chinese-threats-military-activityReplies: @J.Ross
As I predicted, this is China trying to make their puppets look less horrible: fake tough on China, as opposed to real tough on China, which gets you doubly impeached. If the PRC wanted to send a message to Nancy Pelosi they’d interfere with her stock options. Even if it were real (if Pelosi were not a Chinese asset) it’d still be fake: legislators visit Taiwan all the time without issue, and even without that, China was not going to shoot our third in line leader.
I (and Dzigan)didn't mean they were indistinguishable, just that the difference is not as sharp as we would like. Generally I think Dzigan's joke refers more to the perma-bureaucracy than the elected Head of State, i. e. to Peter Sztrok et al more than Joe Biden. I have to say that over the last decade or so, I have become progressively less sure that we have the trade off between Civil Service protection and the corruption it's designed to prevent on the one hand and the accumulation of Governmental power in the administrative bureaucracy on the other hand, calibrated properly.
Although the opportunity to 'throw the bums out' every few years is,indeed,significant, it has become less so in light of A)the recent manipulation of election law/procedure to ensure certain results. And B) The long march of the Left/Progs through the administrative state and the Jihad that the New Class is waging against 'the deplorables' of which the subversion/mutiny of large parts of the administrative state against the democratically elected Pres. Trump is just one example.Replies: @J.Ross
The whole and only promise and point of “democracy” is throwing out garbage like Vindman and Strzok and Comey and Brennan, especially when they massively fail, and if democracy can’t do that then it’s effectively the same thing as dictatorship.
Technological adaptation generating affluence could and did take care of these problems. My mother grew up in a rented suburban house infested with rats and hardly stepped in a swimming pool as a youngster because of widespread anxiety about polio. Middle-class life was like that in 1939.
China is not getting this off the front page unless they shoot down Pelosi's plane.Replies: @epebble, @Mike Tre
Here’s a question: who’s worse, Zawahiri or Pelosi?
Living in the Bay Area we get the best and worst of high real estate prices. Aside from the weather and natural beauty, our standard of living compared to other regions is really not that great. We have normal homes and commutes and our children / grandchildren have a hard time locating near us as we age. But one advantage is that we always have a bug out plan. If need be, we always have the option of a one time move to somewhere less expensive where we can consolidate and have a higher standard of living. Having lived here my whole life that is not really what I want to do but my wife, who is from somewhere else, would have much less problem getting out of here. Sometimes as an exercise I will scan Zillow or some other real estate site to see what we could get for our money. Swapping houses would be easy but when you think about how much other stuff we would have to give up including our future it is not so attractive. The grass is always greener on the other side.
I said 1/3 of the slum population, not 1/3 of the whole black population.
Blacks made cities unlivable after WWII, which contributed to white flight and the dissolution of the old ethnic neighborhoods. Whites ended up in suburban anonymity where they were atomized and homogenized as deracinated “consumers”
See Ernest van den Haag on this point. Crime rates were declining in this country from about 1910 to 1950 in the most part. By way of example, the homicide rate in the United States in 1930 was about the same as it was in 1980. It was in 1950 and 1960 that it was a great deal lower. The decay in the quality of live in core cities began in the late 1940s (see Thomas Sowell on how this played out in his old neighborhood in Manhattan), a generation after the beginning of the Great Migration. See also James Q Wilson on the abrupt crash in the level of public order in core cities after 1963. See what you're seeing now. It isn't the presence of blacks which does this, but how the institutions of the larger society react to the troublesome element in all segments of the population, urban blacks more saliently than others.
People moved out to suburban locales for a variety of reasons. Crime was one, school disorder was another, a desire for more space another. I don't care for suburban town planning, but it must appeal to someone. As for ethnic neighborhoods, there wasn't anything that prevented them from reassembling in suburban locations except a deficit of interest. Even mild preferences over who you'd prefer to have as a neighbor will induce noticeable ethnic clustering. (And there was some) Where I grew up, both Jews and Italians tended to cluster in certain sections of the county outside the core city. One thing that might have induced more ethnic clustering would have been Catholic parish life in the suburbs, but the Catholic Church generally (and in affluent countries in particular) has been in the business of self-immolation for 60 years now.
If you want improved quality of life, actually rewarding satisfactory performance and sanctioning bad behavior will get it for you. Witless kvetching gets you nothing.Replies: @J.Ross, @Jack D
The old ethnic neighborhoods were tightly clustered because people didn’t have cars and everything had to be in walking distance – the church/synagogue, the Jewish/Italian bakery, the kosher/Polish butcher, etc. Once people moved out to the suburbs, everyone had a car and did their shopping in the supermarket (or they could drive back to the old neighborhood to buy wurst), so there was no compelling need to sort neighborhoods by ethnicity. (Most suburban Jews became “Conservative” and even drove to the synagogue on the Sabbath).
Also the war had really exposed people to people of other ethnicities in the military, and the new American born generation was more assimilated and English speaking and so they were more comfortable with the idea of living in a community with various (white) ethnic groups, especially in a suburban setting where people were not living literally on top of each other.
The old ethnic neighborhoods had elaborately self-assembled themselves into urban villages over many decades and black blockbusting came thru like a bulldozer and swept it all away.
Blacks accounted for about 14% of the population in core cities and suburban tract development in the northern United States in 1970. Their capacity to sweep it all away was decidedly circumscribed.Replies: @Jack D
The rat poison available in 1939 (arsenic) was probably better (at killing rats) than what they sell today.
Your bait literally GLOWED in the darkness and exuded luminous vapors... fascinating for a kid. Haven't seen that stuff for decades.
The absolute COOLEST pesticide I remember from my childhood was the J-O brand. These were cans of Yellow-White phosphorus that was placed on bait and usable against bugs, mice and rats. You opened the dark orange colored cans and a luminous vapor would pour out the top of the can.
Your bait literally GLOWED in the darkness and exuded luminous vapors… fascinating for a kid. Haven’t seen that stuff for decades.
Expeller pressed oils seem OK to me. If it’s ok to eat peanuts or sesame seeds then why not the oil? Btw there are a bunch of videos on youtube of people making their own peanut oil literally by hand. The videos seem to be mostly done by people from Africa so it must be common there. If you let tahini sit the oil rises to the top naturally Doesn’t seem like the work of the devil to me.
OTOH, the veg. oil you buy in the store is highly processed (although I’m still not sure it is really BAD for you). The process sounds scary (during one step they add basically gasoline to the ground seeds to dissolve more of the oil) but I’m not sure the end product really is.
If you have to ask yourself this question then it’s time for you to move to Iraq.
OTOH, the veg. oil you buy in the store is highly processed (although I'm still not sure it is really BAD for you). The process sounds scary (during one step they add basically gasoline to the ground seeds to dissolve more of the oil) but I'm not sure the end product really is.Replies: @Joe Stalin
People snort cocaine into their body and the manufacturers use KEROSENE in the process. Industrial chemicals with unknown contaminants. Ugh.
"Justice" doesn't necessarily refer to the judicial branch of government (process justice). It may also refer to God's justice (results justice). Suppose Victoria Nuland was on a trip to Ukraine and she was posing for a photo op next to a HIMARS launcher which then toppled over and squashed her. Many would call that justice. Would you then object "When was the trial"? As I'm sure you know, the original 'sprichwort' (at least in English version)that Jack was referencing is "Though the mills of God grind slowly; Yet they grind exceeding small" i.e. we are talking of Cosmic justice, not administrative process.Replies: @Jack D, @Charon
No one said that it does, “necessarily” or otherwise.
Nifty. Also nifty is how “God” always happens to be on our side, innit.
Someone we don’t like gets slaughtered, that’s just cosmic justice. Someone we do like gets offended, and it’s a Holy War.
Sure, Zawahiri thought that God was on his side and we think He is on ours. He was wrong. Sometimes Satan comes to men in disguise and convinces them that God is talking to them but it is really Satan whispering in their ear. Maybe you don't accept that there is a God at all and no Satan either, but if there is a God, I don't think that He is on the side of mass murderers.
It seems like a lot of Unz commenters have no loyalty to the US or the West at all anymore. I don't know whether this is due to misguided "objectivity" or just hatred of Globohomoclintonjooamerica.Replies: @Charon
Nifty. Also nifty is how “God” always happens to be on our side, innit.
Not at all. Both Victoria Nuland and Ayman_al-Zawahiri are/were terrible people whoever’s side they are ostensibly on.
So you are saying that Zawahiri, who masterminded 9/11 and killed thousands, did not deserve to be punished? That if we were unable to arrest and extradite him and try him in a court of law (the Taliban would never have allowed it) we should have just shrugged our shoulders?
Sure, Zawahiri thought that God was on his side and we think He is on ours. He was wrong. Sometimes Satan comes to men in disguise and convinces them that God is talking to them but it is really Satan whispering in their ear. Maybe you don’t accept that there is a God at all and no Satan either, but if there is a God, I don’t think that He is on the side of mass murderers.
It seems like a lot of Unz commenters have no loyalty to the US or the West at all anymore. I don’t know whether this is due to misguided “objectivity” or just hatred of Globohomoclintonjooamerica.
Also the war had really exposed people to people of other ethnicities in the military, and the new American born generation was more assimilated and English speaking and so they were more comfortable with the idea of living in a community with various (white) ethnic groups, especially in a suburban setting where people were not living literally on top of each other.
The old ethnic neighborhoods had elaborately self-assembled themselves into urban villages over many decades and black blockbusting came thru like a bulldozer and swept it all away.Replies: @Art Deco
and black blockbusting came thru like a bulldozer and swept it all away.
Blacks accounted for about 14% of the population in core cities and suburban tract development in the northern United States in 1970. Their capacity to sweep it all away was decidedly circumscribed.
Blacks accounted for about 14% of the population in core cities and suburban tract development in the northern United States in 1970. Their capacity to sweep it all away was decidedly circumscribed.Replies: @Jack D
You are averaging apples and oranges. Core cities are where the blacks were. Suburban tract developments are where the whites fled to.
Also it was uneven across the country. What % of the core city was black in Newark or Detroit vs. San Diego or Seattle?
It was also uneven even within cities – in 1970 blacks were 44% of the population of Philadelphia as a whole (already a far cry from 14%), but in certain parts of W. Philadelphia (a formerly Jewish section) and North Philly, they were almost 100%.
So even though your 14% is correct, it is completely meaningless. Ask Buffalo Joe if the old Italian neighborhood of Buffalo was only 14% black in 1970.
Your favorite method seems to be “I looked up fact X in an almanac and this completely refutes what you are saying. ” This would be well and good if it really did, but often it doesn’t. Nationwide averages don’t really give you an understanding of the situation on the ground in many cases.
Art glides nimbly from means to tails, statistic to anecdote, national to local as needed.
Sure, Zawahiri thought that God was on his side and we think He is on ours. He was wrong. Sometimes Satan comes to men in disguise and convinces them that God is talking to them but it is really Satan whispering in their ear. Maybe you don't accept that there is a God at all and no Satan either, but if there is a God, I don't think that He is on the side of mass murderers.
It seems like a lot of Unz commenters have no loyalty to the US or the West at all anymore. I don't know whether this is due to misguided "objectivity" or just hatred of Globohomoclintonjooamerica.Replies: @Charon
No one said that, and meanwhile you are again assuming facts not in evidence.
Lunatic religious ranting. You’re the perfect doppelganger for the likes of zawahiri.
In which case this God character is definitely not on the side of the ex-USA. Most of whose mass-murdering, incidentally, has been at the behest of your little tribe, so why the endless whining? You should be happy, even though not everyone agrees with you.