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The Race to Be the World’s Fastest Man, the Olympic men’s 100 meter dash, is a fine generator of data relevant to classic questions of nature and nurture. For the last 9 Summer Games, from 1984 through 2016, all eight men to make the 100m finals each time have been of at least half-black ancestry, an incredible 72 out of 72.

Will that streak be snapped in 2021?

Rohan Browning, a little known white Australian, ran 10.01 in the first round heats to tie for the 5th fastest qualifier for the semifinals.

Su Bingtian, a Chinese, tied for the 12th fastest time. Filippo Tortu of Italy, a white man, was the 18th fastest qualifier at 10.10. (He has broken the 10 second barrier before.)

Here are the top 40 times from the first round heats of the men’s 100m sprint at the Tokyo Olympics:

Three other East Asians, an Iranian, and a member of Taiwan’s indigenous Austronesian Amis people almost made the cut.

Here’s the Taiwanese aboriginal sprinter. The Taiwan natives, who make up about 1% of the population, are more related to Pacific Islanders than to Chinese.

The other 21 of the 24 qualifiers for the semi-finals was at least half-black.

At least two of the qualifiers are half black — Lamont Marcell Jacobs, the son of a black American military man and an Italian mother, who was raised in Italy; and veteran French sprinter Jimmy Vicaut, who has a white father.

Here’s Vicaut with an extremely French facial expression:

Interestingly, there appears to have been more regional diversity among qualifiers of Sub-Saharan ancestry than in the past when guys with roots in West or Southwest Africa dominated. South Africa continues its rise as a sprint power with three semifinalists.

And Ferdinand Omurwa threatens to be the first representative of 400m-to-marathon powerhouse Kenya in the 100m final, having tied Browning for 5th fastest qualifier by tying Kenya’s national record of 10.01. The Kenyan looks more like a traditional 100 meter man than he does a standard Kenyan marathoner.

The semifinals and finals are at a million o’clock in the morning Pacific Daylight Time on Sunday.

Data source: Olympics.com.

For aesthetic reasons, I used a screenshot above, but if you want to work with the data yourself, I am posting it beneath the fold:



Rank Result Name Country Race Region Semi? Heat Position Lost by Note
1 9.91 de GRASSE Andre Canada Black Diaspora Q 5 1 SB
2 9.94 JACOBS Lamont Marcell Italy Half black (US) Diaspora Q 3 1 NR
3 9.97 KERLEY Fred USA Black Diaspora Q 5 2
4 9.98 ADEGOKE Enoch Nigeria Black West Africa Q 2 1 PB
5 10.01 OMURWA Ferdinand Kenya Black-East African East Africa Q 5 3 -0.001 NR
5 10.01 BROWNING Rohan Australia White European Q 7 1 -0.01 PB
7 10.02 OGUNODE Femi Qatar Black (Nigeria) Diaspora Q 2 2
8 10.03 BAKER Ronnie USA Black Diaspora Q 1 1
9 10.04 HUGHES Zharnel UK Black Diaspora Q 2 3 -0.033 SB
9 10.04 SEVILLE Oblique Jamaica Black Caribbean Q 3 2 -0.035 PB
9 10.04 LEOTLELA Gift South Africa Black Southern Africa Q 4 1 -0.036
12 10.05 BROMELL Trayvon USA Black Diaspora q 2 4 -0.047
12 10.05 SU Bingtian China East Asian East Asia Q 4 2 -0.05
14 10.06 BLAKE Yohan Jamaica Black Caribbean Q 7 2
15 10.07 VICAUT Jimmy France Half black Diaspora Q 1 2 SB
16 10.08 SIMBINE Akani South Africa Black Southern Africa Q 6 1 -0.074
16 10.08 UJAH Chijindu UK Black Diaspora Q 7 3 -0.074
18 10.10 TORTU Filippo Italy White European q 5 4 SB
19 10.12 PRESCOD Reece Britain Black Diaspora q 5 5 -0.111 SB
19 10.12 MASWANGANYI Shaun South Africa Black Southern Africa Q 3 3 -0.112
21 10.13 AZAMATI-KWAKU Benjamin Ghana Black West Africa 7 4
22 10.15 CISSE Arthur Ivory Coast Black West Africa Q 6 2 -0.143
22 10.15 ITSEKIRI Usheoritse Nigeria Black West Africa Q 1 3 -0.143
22 10.15 YAMAGATA Ryota Japan East Asian East Asia 3 4 -0.145
25 10.16 XIE Zhenye China East Asian East Asia 3 5
26 10.17 CAMILO Paulo Andre Brazil Black Brazil Q 6 3
27 10.18 WU Zhiqiang China East Asian East Asia 1 4
28 10.19 TAFTIAN Hassan Iran Middle Eastern Middle East 6 4 SB
29 10.20 MUSAH Kojo Denmark Half black Diaspora 7 5
30 10.21 ROGERS Jason St. Kitts Nevis Black Caribbean Q 4 3 -0.206
30 10.21 YANG Chun-Han Taiwan Indigenous Austronesian Pacific 1 5 -0.209 SB
32 10.22 KOIKE Yuki Japan East Asian East Asia 4 4 -0.215
32 10.22 TADA Shuhei Japan East Asian East Asia 1 6 -0.218
34 10.24 DO NASCIMENTO Rodrigo Brazil Black Brazil 7 6
35 10.25 MATADI Emmanuel Liberia Black West Africa 6 5 -0.245
35 10.25 HARVEY Jak Ali Turkey Black (Jamaica) Diaspora 5 6 -0.246 SB
35 10.25 GREENE Cejhae Antilles Black Caribbean 6 6 -0.249
38 10.26 BARDI Felipe Brazil Black Brazil 2 5 -0.253
38 10.26 ZOHRI Lalu Muhammad Indonesia Southeast Asian Southeast Asia 4 5 -0.254 SB
40 10.28 WICKI Silvan Switzerland White European 2 6

 

 
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  1. Oh noes! The fastest colored boy is a tenth of a second faster than the fastest White Man! (who, in turn, is faster than 30 some other coloreds and some mystery meat folks.)

    You know what this means–we should be ruled by racehorses…

    • LOL: Trinity
    • Replies: @Batman
    @AceDeuce

    I think the punch line is it should be obvious that racial differences exist just from observation (skin color, hair texture, etc.). But, if you need more evidence, you can look to West African dominance in fast-twitch athletics like sprinting, basketball, or football. Or you can look at other Africans' dominance of slow-twitch athletics like distance running.

    If you can accept that there are racial differences in athletic peak performance, you can accept the intuition that every child who has ever had to participate in gym class learns (the black kid gets picked first because he's the best athlete in the class).

    And if you can accept that blacks are on average more athletic than everyone else, you can accept that blacks on average are dumber, more aggressive, and more prone to criminality than everyone else.

    But that's something you can't say out loud. The central thesis of Black Lives Matter is that it's unbearable for blacks to have to live alongside whites. Anyone who has ever had their bike stolen knows not only that it's not true but also that the opposite is true.

    Replies: @megabar

  2. Don’t care who is fast or half fast but I saw a photo of USA’s premier discus thrower Valerie Allman. Exceptional beauty.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Buffalo Joe

    You know she prefers Black Men don’t you? Check out her social media.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Buffalo Joe


    Don’t care who is fast or half fast but I saw a photo of USA’s premier discus thrower Valerie Allman. Exceptional beauty.
     
    Her counterpart in the women's shot put, Raven Saunders, is quite striking, too.


    https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2021/07/640/320/Raven-Saunders.jpg?ve=1&tl=1


    On a more serious note, PiltdownWoman and I were just talking about this—she follows track and field quite closely. She mentioned that the European women in the high jump, pole vault, and long jump are often blessed with very good looks, and that two Ukrainians, who are the favorites in the women's high jump event, Maruchikh and Levchenko, are the ones to look out for.

    Replies: @Anon, @Buffalo Joe

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Buffalo Joe


    discus thrower Valerie Allman. Exceptional beauty.
     
    Jeez, Joe—cruel sarcasm isn’t your usual style. 😐

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1345757863717851137/5pjVuRFg.jpg
    https://www.runnerspace.com/members/images/67894/691870_full.jpg

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Buffalo Joe

    , @Anon
    @Buffalo Joe

    Already 26 years old and not married, in a "masters program in Communications at Stanford": The triple threat: Masters degrees are worthless. Literally they make you worth less in lifetime earnings, the only degree for which that is true for all levels of IQ, according to Bryan Caplan's The Case against Education. "Communications" is a bullshit woke discipline. If you are not in education and you want a bullshit masters degree, they created "communications." And Stanford: They've been cranking out woke zombies for years. Their physics department has sponsored Ph.D. candidates who don't know anything about physics, but who do dissertations about physics education for underrepresented minorities. Most colleges issue such degrees in the education department.

    Another problem is she looks like she's in her 30s already, perhaps a byproduct of being an outdoor athlete with sun exposure. She reads "fertility turning south, expect stillbirths and Downs syndrome," even if that's really a few years off for her.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  3. The men’s 400m hurdles is the only race I’m watching this year. Google says it’s 2 Aug Monday night 9:00 mountain time.

  4. Jimmy Vicaut and Lamont Marcell Jacobs look very different in racial terms. I suspect that most people who look at a photo of Vicaut would think he’s completely black rather than racially mixed. His white European ancestry is not physically apparent at all. In sharp contrast, from what I’ve seen from photos of Jacobs he looks almost capable of passing for fully white, not all the way but close.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @prosa123

    Well, but of course Vicaut and Jacobs would look very different in racial terms. Vicaut’s mom is an African, from the Ivory Coast, and, of course, she would bring a distinct look and characteristics to the table. Jacobs’ dad is an African-American, and most African-Americans have approximately 25% white ancestry in their DNA. I haven’t seen any photos, but Jacobs’ dad could’ve been light skinned, to a medium-complected black fellow. A complete shift in how each would look . . .

    Replies: @Jake Barnes

    , @Anonymous
    @prosa123

    Are you fucking retarded or something? Vicaut has a perfectly French European face underneath his (lighter) skin. Lamont Jacobs is a wide nosed Papuan-looking guy with a gorilla-tier saggital keel who could never pass for white. Vicaut looks whiter.

    https://media.aws.iaaf.org/athletes/14334964.jpg


    https://media.aws.iaaf.org/athletes/14453864.jpg


    I get so sick and tired of these apallingly backwards atrempts to describe reality by delusional Unz commenters, most of whom probably look like Lamont Jacobs and share his Italiam mom + Afram dad heritage.

    , @Iberian
    @prosa123

    With all respect, you, like most Americans, are lost about "races"..
    Vicaut is very obsviouly "mulato" since he has a Caucasian father, and a Negroid mother.
    Lamont has a "mulato" father, what you call "Black/Afro-american" and Caucasian mother...probably, he is not more than 20% Negroid.
    Also, don't make sense put Nigerians and South-africans under the same label (Black), and call the Australian guy "White" and the Iranian "Midlle Eastern"...

    Replies: @prosa123

  5. I still don’t get this obsession with blacks dominating running. Why is it so hard to acknowledge they, statistically, are simply more fit for that type of activity? It’s in their biology.

    Of course, they use various tricks; some of them cheat; sometimes a member of other races outruns them … But, they- or some part of them, located in a region of Africa- are clearly superior to others.

    Why is it news?

    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Why is it news? Because it is evidence of a trait that is overwhelmingly African in origin, namely running fast, that it is the result of Darwinian selective pressure. It is almost as if there is a race of Africans and that running fast is in their DNA. It is almost as if it is plausible that all races are not equal, and the much denied IQ gap is real and is aso the root cause of the wealth gap, the walking on the sidewalk instead of meanderng down the center of the road gap, and the tendency not to murder gap.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  6. Nothing to do with who has the best potential natural talent, but if you look at a list of the fastest 100m times ever and then cross out the people who were later caught doping…

    https://tomnew.medium.com/usain-bolt-lance-armstrong-and-the-duck-test-303b7b891e7e

    So the fastest people in the world are probably of West African descent, but should they be athletes from Jamaica or rather, from Jamaica to the extent that they win against other West Africans by these kinds of margins?

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Altai

    That chart is excellent, Altai. I followed the link and read the whole Tom New article on Usain Bolt; it's extremely persuasive, to say the least.

    , @Thomm
    @Altai

    I don't think Bolt was doping. He is just that one in ten billion sprinter.

    One person who obviously WAS doping, back in the day, but was never caught, was Florence Griffith-Joyner.

    i) Her times improved dramatically in a short time.
    ii) She obliterated female world records by a huge margin, and her 1988 records have not even been threatened, let alone broken.
    iii) A visible increase in muscle mass, increase in facial hair, and deepening of her voice were apparent to everyone. Why did all this happen at the same time as when she was shattering world records?
    iv) She abruptly retired while still young and at her peak, right around the time of a more stringent testing standard being announced.
    v) She died at the young age of 38, of something that users of PEDs are known to die from, but other track and field athletes are not known to die of. See also : Deaths of WWF wrestlers from the same cause.

    There is too much overwhelming evidence that Flo Jo was using PEDs.

    I don't think the same is true of Usain Bolt, however.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Altai

    , @epebble
    @Altai

    The chart seems to confirm my suspicion that Olympic games have really morphed into an Arms race in Biochemistry. Between those who invent molecules and those who detect molecules to win medals.

    Replies: @Altai

    , @CauCasiAnn
    @Altai

    Bingo. The women's stats probably look similar. They don't care if they cheat. A race with zero moral compass.

    Replies: @International Jew

  7. Shouldn’t Browning be “Diaspora” rather than “European” for consistency?

  8. @prosa123
    Jimmy Vicaut and Lamont Marcell Jacobs look very different in racial terms. I suspect that most people who look at a photo of Vicaut would think he's completely black rather than racially mixed. His white European ancestry is not physically apparent at all. In sharp contrast, from what I've seen from photos of Jacobs he looks almost capable of passing for fully white, not all the way but close.

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Anonymous, @Iberian

    Well, but of course Vicaut and Jacobs would look very different in racial terms. Vicaut’s mom is an African, from the Ivory Coast, and, of course, she would bring a distinct look and characteristics to the table. Jacobs’ dad is an African-American, and most African-Americans have approximately 25% white ancestry in their DNA. I haven’t seen any photos, but Jacobs’ dad could’ve been light skinned, to a medium-complected black fellow. A complete shift in how each would look . . .

    • Replies: @Jake Barnes
    @PaceLaw

    Fine but Jacobs’ mother is basically African too

  9. West Africans are fast sprinters. Why? Well its a truism of biology that nature does not ‘waste’ genetic resources for things that are not necessary. A Grizzly Bear might have found horns useful and a rabbit fangs and venom glands helpful against a fox but nature realized being very large and powerful was sufficient for a Grizzly to subdue what it needed to subdue and a rabbits speed and agility enough for it to escape predators… enough of the time for it reproduce.

    So why are West Africans so fleet of foot? It wasn’t to escape slavers as useful as that might have been. Slavery goes back a long way but probably not long enough to have allowed for evolution to do its thing. There is a old joke that says it is not necessary to be the fastest person if a bear is chasing after several people. It is only necessary to not be the slowest. There is also the empirical example of prehistoric cave excavations where human remains were found with the bones having been gnawed on by big cats. Above them were the remains of big cats that had been killed and cooked by early humans.

    Things change as animals evolve. I suspect the old joke is true. West Africans once lived in a world where leopards, lions and hyenas were deadly opponents. Being fast was a life saver. Didn’t have to be the fastest just not the slowest. Now up in Europe wolves and bears were the major carnivore species. Not big cats. Wolves hunt in packs and use cunning more than speed to capture prey. Bears use scent to track their prey. The survival trick here was for early men to not run but fight as a group against predators.

    • Replies: @Wei
    @UNIT472

    Lionesses and hyenas do hunt as packs, but your point is taken.

    , @Anonymous Jew
    @UNIT472

    Um…no. Blacks were insulated from the Ice Age and thus retained the proportions ideal for human activities like running. Particularly longer limbs and a higher center of gravity. In addition, compared to Eurasians, West Africans also have a higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fibers (sprinting) while East Africans are small and svelte with a high percentage of slow twitch fibers (distance running).

    On the other hand, if there was an Olympic that involved running down big game over a cold tundra Eurasians would excel, because our loss in running efficiency would be more than compensated for by our increased resilience to frostbite and high spatial intelligence.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  10. Anonymous[636] • Disclaimer says:
    @prosa123
    Jimmy Vicaut and Lamont Marcell Jacobs look very different in racial terms. I suspect that most people who look at a photo of Vicaut would think he's completely black rather than racially mixed. His white European ancestry is not physically apparent at all. In sharp contrast, from what I've seen from photos of Jacobs he looks almost capable of passing for fully white, not all the way but close.

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Anonymous, @Iberian

    Are you fucking retarded or something? Vicaut has a perfectly French European face underneath his (lighter) skin. Lamont Jacobs is a wide nosed Papuan-looking guy with a gorilla-tier saggital keel who could never pass for white. Vicaut looks whiter.

    I get so sick and tired of these apallingly backwards atrempts to describe reality by delusional Unz commenters, most of whom probably look like Lamont Jacobs and share his Italiam mom + Afram dad heritage.

  11. Ferdinand Omurwa of Kenya looks West African. I wonder what his origins are.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Bao Jiankang

    Bantu Expansion? PEDs (he got caught in 2017).

    Replies: @Some Guy, @Anonymous

  12. @Altai
    Nothing to do with who has the best potential natural talent, but if you look at a list of the fastest 100m times ever and then cross out the people who were later caught doping...

    https://twistedsifter.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/the-fastest-100m-times-ever-with-names-of-people-caught-doping-crossed-out.png

    https://tomnew.medium.com/usain-bolt-lance-armstrong-and-the-duck-test-303b7b891e7e

    So the fastest people in the world are probably of West African descent, but should they be athletes from Jamaica or rather, from Jamaica to the extent that they win against other West Africans by these kinds of margins?

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Thomm, @epebble, @CauCasiAnn

    That chart is excellent, Altai. I followed the link and read the whole Tom New article on Usain Bolt; it’s extremely persuasive, to say the least.

    • Agree: JMcG
  13. “Rohan Browning, a little known white Australian, ran 10.01 in the first round heats to tie for the 5th fastest qualifier for the semifinals. Su Bingtian, a Chinese, tied for the 12th fastest time. Filippo Tortu of Italy, a white man, was the 18th fastest qualifier at 10.10. (He has broken the 10 second barrier before.)”

    This is a bit suspicious, that now all of a sudden after many decades that non-POC’s should be faring this well in the 100 meters. Test them. Test all of them. Right now when they’re least expecting it.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    They are tested.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Feryl, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon

    , @sb
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    The (white ) Australian guy you refer to is very middle class by pedigree and was in the top 1% academically on school results ( and he's not Asian ! ) Speaks French and all that and is a law student at a top university
    Really needs some ink and gold chains if he wants to fit in the sprinter's club

    Replies: @Adept

    , @AceDeuce
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    This is a bit suspicious, that now all of a sudden after many decades that non-POC’s should be faring this well in the 100 meters. Test them. Test all of them. Right now when they’re least expecting it.
     
    Hater! You just want to keep the White Man down!

    That was satire--at least I think so. It's hard to tell the difference anymore.

    And Wypipo were posting times close to this 80-100 years ago with leather shoes, woolen shorts and a cinder track. If Whites didn't have better things to do, they could no doubt hold their own against any chimp on Earth in running sprints--while half the boonies would drown trying to get from one end of the pool to the other.

    Then have 'em all take the SAT.
  14. @prosa123
    Jimmy Vicaut and Lamont Marcell Jacobs look very different in racial terms. I suspect that most people who look at a photo of Vicaut would think he's completely black rather than racially mixed. His white European ancestry is not physically apparent at all. In sharp contrast, from what I've seen from photos of Jacobs he looks almost capable of passing for fully white, not all the way but close.

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Anonymous, @Iberian

    With all respect, you, like most Americans, are lost about “races”..
    Vicaut is very obsviouly “mulato” since he has a Caucasian father, and a Negroid mother.
    Lamont has a “mulato” father, what you call “Black/Afro-american” and Caucasian mother…probably, he is not more than 20% Negroid.
    Also, don’t make sense put Nigerians and South-africans under the same label (Black), and call the Australian guy “White” and the Iranian “Midlle Eastern”…

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Iberian

    With all respect, you, like most Americans, are lost about “races”..
    Vicaut is very obsviouly “mulato” since he has a Caucasian father, and a Negroid mother.
    Lamont has a “mulato” father, what you call “Black/Afro-american” and Caucasian mother…probably, he is not more than 20% Negroid.

    I haven't been able to find any photos of Jacobs' father, but keep in mind that most people who identify as black in the United States indeed are mostly black by ancestry, if I recall correctly about 80% on average. There are exceptions, of course, but they're by no means common. In the absence of evidence to the contrary it is reasonable to assume that Jacobs is substantially more than 20% black by ancestry.

    An interesting thing about Jacobs is that his English, while understandable, is not particularly good.

    Replies: @Iberian

  15. Well if a Black dude can win a gold medal in the 100 meter freestyle I guess anything is possible. Used to be every time some Black racist would say “White men can’t jump,” I would always chime in yeah and Black guys can’t swim. haha. Guess I can’t say that anymore or can I? Saying Black guys can’t swim is certainly more valid than saying “White men can’t jump.” PROOF. Look at all the White Olympic lifters who have vertical and broad jumps that rank ABOVE the top scores in NFL combines or some White high jumpers like Derek Drouin. You have 250 Olympic lifters capable of dunking a basketball, Brian Oldfield, a shot putter dunked a 16lb shot while weighing 275-280lbs. Lets see an NBA player pull that off.

    Yep, I stand by the rule, “Black people can’t swim.” Like everything else there are exceptions but take the average Black person drop him or her in the ocean 200 yards from shore and see if he or she can make it back to shore without drowning. Hell, most Blacks wouldn’t be able to swim 200 yards in the pool. hehe. I got five on it. We are talking swimming the entire 200 yards without stopping.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Trinity

    Trin, 200 yards is two football fields. That is a long swim for most people.

    Replies: @Trinity

    , @JMcG
    @Trinity

    I went with my son to Cub Scout camp one summer. Everyone who wanted to use the pool had to do the same swim test. Dive in the deep end, and swim a circuit of the pool: that is, swim the perimeter. I think you had to use at least two different strokes.
    The results were eye-opening to say the least.
    Most of the kids made it. A lot of the dads didn’t even try. A couple were lucky that the swim started in the deep end.
    I’d honestly say that a great deal of people who’ve been out of high school for more than a few years wouldn’t have a hope of swimming 200 yards, especially in the ocean. One lungful of water and it’s all over. I had a friend who nearly drowned in his first triathlon that way. He was a good swimmer, but inhaled some water in the melee ear the start.
    I once went for a swim off a boat where the ocean was pretty deep; maybe 700 feet. The swimming was easy, but psychologically very intimidating, at least for me. Five minutes was enough.

    Replies: @Trinity, @Ed

  16. @Altai
    Nothing to do with who has the best potential natural talent, but if you look at a list of the fastest 100m times ever and then cross out the people who were later caught doping...

    https://twistedsifter.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/the-fastest-100m-times-ever-with-names-of-people-caught-doping-crossed-out.png

    https://tomnew.medium.com/usain-bolt-lance-armstrong-and-the-duck-test-303b7b891e7e

    So the fastest people in the world are probably of West African descent, but should they be athletes from Jamaica or rather, from Jamaica to the extent that they win against other West Africans by these kinds of margins?

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Thomm, @epebble, @CauCasiAnn

    I don’t think Bolt was doping. He is just that one in ten billion sprinter.

    One person who obviously WAS doping, back in the day, but was never caught, was Florence Griffith-Joyner.

    i) Her times improved dramatically in a short time.
    ii) She obliterated female world records by a huge margin, and her 1988 records have not even been threatened, let alone broken.
    iii) A visible increase in muscle mass, increase in facial hair, and deepening of her voice were apparent to everyone. Why did all this happen at the same time as when she was shattering world records?
    iv) She abruptly retired while still young and at her peak, right around the time of a more stringent testing standard being announced.
    v) She died at the young age of 38, of something that users of PEDs are known to die from, but other track and field athletes are not known to die of. See also : Deaths of WWF wrestlers from the same cause.

    There is too much overwhelming evidence that Flo Jo was using PEDs.

    I don’t think the same is true of Usain Bolt, however.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Thomm

    Alternatively, in a world without PEDs, Bolt still would have won.

    But who knows, maybe some people react massively to doses of PEDs small enough to stay under the testing radar, while other people don't? I don't know.

    Bolt wasn't as jacked up as the Jamaican who finished 2nd to him in 2012, Yohan Blake.

    But, Jamaica's rise to #1 in sprinting happened after the US sent 2000 Olympic heroine Marion Jones to prison for PEDs in 2005.

    Jamaicans have to worry about getting caught by the WTO, but they don't have to worry about their country imprisoning them for what they might do to bring home national glory.

    Replies: @Hodag, @angmoh

    , @Altai
    @Thomm

    A lot of what you just said about Flo Jo also applies to Bolt.

    It's been 13 years and no other human has done better than 9.80 (7) Only in the 100m without having eventually been revealed to have been doping. And Bolt not only beat all the top athletes who were doping, he beat them by a lot, even more if he'd not slowed down to do the chest thumping.

    I think Bolt gets away with it chiefly because he doesn't look like the other dopers. He doesn't seem to have a psychotic need to win, doesn't take himself so seriously and doesn't have a suspiciously large physique. And also because most people have never seen a scatter plot of just how insane Bolt's 08/09 times really were.

  17. “all eight men to make the 100m finals each time have been of at least half-black ancestry, an incredible 72 out of 72”

    That is so easy to explain. So easy in fact I’ll have the racial god Kendi do it for me.

    “where ever there are disparities there is racism”

    So there you have it, the reason it’s 72 out of 72 is RACISM

  18. @Thomm
    @Altai

    I don't think Bolt was doping. He is just that one in ten billion sprinter.

    One person who obviously WAS doping, back in the day, but was never caught, was Florence Griffith-Joyner.

    i) Her times improved dramatically in a short time.
    ii) She obliterated female world records by a huge margin, and her 1988 records have not even been threatened, let alone broken.
    iii) A visible increase in muscle mass, increase in facial hair, and deepening of her voice were apparent to everyone. Why did all this happen at the same time as when she was shattering world records?
    iv) She abruptly retired while still young and at her peak, right around the time of a more stringent testing standard being announced.
    v) She died at the young age of 38, of something that users of PEDs are known to die from, but other track and field athletes are not known to die of. See also : Deaths of WWF wrestlers from the same cause.

    There is too much overwhelming evidence that Flo Jo was using PEDs.

    I don't think the same is true of Usain Bolt, however.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Altai

    Alternatively, in a world without PEDs, Bolt still would have won.

    But who knows, maybe some people react massively to doses of PEDs small enough to stay under the testing radar, while other people don’t? I don’t know.

    Bolt wasn’t as jacked up as the Jamaican who finished 2nd to him in 2012, Yohan Blake.

    But, Jamaica’s rise to #1 in sprinting happened after the US sent 2000 Olympic heroine Marion Jones to prison for PEDs in 2005.

    Jamaicans have to worry about getting caught by the WTO, but they don’t have to worry about their country imprisoning them for what they might do to bring home national glory.

    • Replies: @Hodag
    @Steve Sailer

    We can reliably say Gretzky did not take steroids. Amphetamines or opioids I am agnostic (these were notorious in the NHL).

    Gretzky and Bolt look to be similar freaks of nature, born to do what they did.

    Replies: @War for Blair Mountain, @Thomm

    , @angmoh
    @Steve Sailer


    Alternatively, in a world without PEDs, Bolt still would have won.
     
    Maybe, but not necessarily. Some people respond better to drugs than others.

    In professional bodybuilding, where massive amounts of steroids are a requirement, it's well known that exceptional response to various anabolics is a core part of the 'genetic blessings' that the top guys have. Schwarzenegger is considered an example of someone who responded better to drugs than his peers, he probably would have been an also-ran in a natural alternate universe.
  19. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Rohan Browning, a little known white Australian, ran 10.01 in the first round heats to tie for the 5th fastest qualifier for the semifinals. Su Bingtian, a Chinese, tied for the 12th fastest time. Filippo Tortu of Italy, a white man, was the 18th fastest qualifier at 10.10. (He has broken the 10 second barrier before.)"

    This is a bit suspicious, that now all of a sudden after many decades that non-POC's should be faring this well in the 100 meters. Test them. Test all of them. Right now when they're least expecting it.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @sb, @AceDeuce

    They are tested.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, my uncle was CEO of the Australian Institute of Sport and I believe was in charge of all the testing protocols in Sydney '00. They caught CJ Hunter, but not his wife Marion Jones. All Olympic sprinters are sus. Every 4 years I wonder if certain test results are deliberately ignored, or the masking agents are always ahead of the testing. FloJo, Marita Koch, the more feminine looking sprinters are at least visually believable, however I can't believe Jarmila Kratochvilova was never busted. If she was clean Joe Biden received 81 million legit votes.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ScarletNumber

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    And test them again and again. This is the Olympics. After all, if there's nothing to hide, then they should be okay with it. And they are technically representing their countries (not themselves).

    , @Feryl
    @Steve Sailer

    Not frequently enough. Sprinters need to be tested on a frequent and unannounced basis within 1 year before the Olympics begin. And positive tests need to be punished with life time bans and stripping of all past medals and results. An additional idea is banning all athletes from that country from international completion for 5 years.

    Replies: @Pericles

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer



    Test them. Test all of them.
     
    They are tested.

     

    By 23andMe?

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    , @Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    I think that Michael Anton's "Law of Salutary Contradiction" (or Rob Dreher's "Law of Merited Impossibility") applies to sports doping.

    There's sort of a "You're paranoid, they're testing everything" thing that is simultaneous with "Doping should be allowed, where do you draw the line, banning pot is crazy, food and drink are performance enhancing so why not drugs, only ban significantly dangerous stuff, etc."

    I think that a component of ... the left? ... social radicals? ... are laying the groundwork for legalizing any sort of drug. Pot was the first step. Then all of these people pushing psychedelics is the second (Michael Pollan, Hamilton Morriss, et al. The off-label stuff related to trannyism is part of it.

  20. @Bao Jiankang
    Ferdinand Omurwa of Kenya looks West African. I wonder what his origins are.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Bantu Expansion? PEDs (he got caught in 2017).

    • Replies: @Some Guy
    @Steve Sailer


    The majority of local resident are made up of Bantus (60%) and Nilotes (30%).[188] Cushitic groups also form a small ethnic minority, as do Arabs, Indians, and Europeans.[188][189]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya#Ethnic_groups
    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer


    PEDs (he got caught in 2017).
     
    Steve, you have talked about competing in Plunge for Distance.

    https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_480w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2016/08/05/Others/Images/2016-08-05/Parringtoncompetition1470422461.jpg

     

    Well, here are the PEDs for Plunge for Distance:


    https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/139cdf72-70a0-4260-b1af-189b3ccdd1b9_1.9858938ca491882dcacf183177020792.jpeg

     

  21. For the last 9 Summer Games, from 1984 through 2016, all eight men to make the 100m finals each time have been of at least half-black ancestry, an incredible 72 out of 72.

    And of course the boycott of the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow by America and its allies (well, most of them) lead to Scotsman Allan Wells winning gold in the 100m dash.

    Ukrainian Valeriy Borzov was the last white man to really win this event, back in Munich ’72.

    The below picture was included in the Voyager 1‘s “Golden Record”, and shows Valeriy Borzov in the 200m heats*.

    “The only thing that separates those men is the speed with which they can move their legs; the picture is a human race and a depiction of the human race.”

    * – Note the runner on the far left. 1972 was the last time the Republic of China competed under that name, now it competes under the designation “Chinese Tapei”.
    ROC = Russian Olympic Committee at Tokyo 2020(+1).

  22. Wouldn’t it be great if a white man won the hundred?

    I’d say the list of celebrants would definitely separate the sheep from the goats — so to speak.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Colin Wright

    A tenth of a second at human running speed is about four feet. Doesn’t sound like a lot to make up, but in that kind of race gaining another four feet may as well be forty feet unless everyone else is caught dozing at the starting gun.

    , @Bill Jones
    @Colin Wright

    It would be a perfect reverse of the OJ Simpson verdict.
    (except for all the Wokel Whites).

  23. @Steve Sailer
    @Bao Jiankang

    Bantu Expansion? PEDs (he got caught in 2017).

    Replies: @Some Guy, @Anonymous

    The majority of local resident are made up of Bantus (60%) and Nilotes (30%).[188] Cushitic groups also form a small ethnic minority, as do Arabs, Indians, and Europeans.[188][189]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya#Ethnic_groups

  24. Michael Phelps banged a tranny.

    https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/217621/michael-phelps-girlfriend-reveals-that-she-was-born-a-man-whoops#story-comments

    (Source) Before he checked into rehab in September, Michael Phelps was having a steamy affair with much older blonde, Taylor Lianne Chandler. But the most shocking aspect of their relationship wasn’t the 12-year age difference. RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal that Chandler, 41, was actually born a man! Chandler, born David Roy Fitch, tells Radar in an exclusive interview that she was an intersex baby.

    The sex was described as “amazing.”

    Phelps should be given a Gold Medal for excelling in this “endurance event.”

    Chandler says the couple met on Tinder in August, and later met up at ladies man Phelps’ Baltimore home to watch the Ravens football game on September 21. “One thing led to the next, and we made love during halftime,” she says. “Later, we had sex again. The intimacy with him was amazing! It was the first time in my life that someone has made me feel like a true woman.” After party boy Phelps was arrested for drunk driving and entered treatment in October, Chandler says she spilled all about her complicated past in an email. Phelps has yet to respond.

    You haven’t truly lived until you’ve banged a tranny.

    TLDR Summary: Michael Phelps had “amazing” sex with a tranny.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Reportedly, "she" said that Phelps was the "fastest" man that she's ever been with.

    , @HFR
    @JohnnyWalker123

    That doesn't look like Michael Phelps. More importantly, he doesn't have that arm tattoo.

    , @Stan Adams
    @JohnnyWalker123

    She/he/it looks a little like Kathie Lee Gifford.

    , @Mike Tre
    @JohnnyWalker123

    That's not Phelps in your photos.

  25. Doesn’t Kenya have both highlands and lowlands?

  26. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:

    Troy Apke most “athletic” CB in history. (Basically joint measure of his speed and size and 3-cone.)

    https://riggosrag.com/2021/06/15/washington-football-team-experimenting-troy-apke-cornerback/

    Still learning to play the football though. Really, I would keep him just as a gunner for specials. Has saved more than one TD in angled pursuit. That can affect a season. Also makes some superb first man down tackles on coverage.

  27. @Steve Sailer
    @Thomm

    Alternatively, in a world without PEDs, Bolt still would have won.

    But who knows, maybe some people react massively to doses of PEDs small enough to stay under the testing radar, while other people don't? I don't know.

    Bolt wasn't as jacked up as the Jamaican who finished 2nd to him in 2012, Yohan Blake.

    But, Jamaica's rise to #1 in sprinting happened after the US sent 2000 Olympic heroine Marion Jones to prison for PEDs in 2005.

    Jamaicans have to worry about getting caught by the WTO, but they don't have to worry about their country imprisoning them for what they might do to bring home national glory.

    Replies: @Hodag, @angmoh

    We can reliably say Gretzky did not take steroids. Amphetamines or opioids I am agnostic (these were notorious in the NHL).

    Gretzky and Bolt look to be similar freaks of nature, born to do what they did.

    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    @Hodag

    Carl Lewis believes Bolt was juiced to the gils….

    If Bolt starts wearing women’s clothes than we will know for sure he was guilty of juicing…

    John Teeters showed much potential…built like Bo Jackson(as was Mickey Mantle who had Bo Jackson speed)…what happened?

    , @Thomm
    @Hodag

    The question becomes, which athlete is the greatest high-performing outlier, across all sport?

    It is hard to measure across sports, but standard deviations above the mean of other top-tier rivals, etc. are metrics that can be used.

    And we have to consider all major sports, not just US-centric sports. There may also have to be a need to adjust by era, since in the early days, there might have been a lot fewer competitors, enabling the existence of an outlier that could not exist today.

    Who is the greatest high-performing outlier of all time, across all sports? Now THAT is a question worthy of some articles.

    Replies: @Carimbo

  28. @Hodag
    @Steve Sailer

    We can reliably say Gretzky did not take steroids. Amphetamines or opioids I am agnostic (these were notorious in the NHL).

    Gretzky and Bolt look to be similar freaks of nature, born to do what they did.

    Replies: @War for Blair Mountain, @Thomm

    Carl Lewis believes Bolt was juiced to the gils….

    If Bolt starts wearing women’s clothes than we will know for sure he was guilty of juicing…

    John Teeters showed much potential…built like Bo Jackson(as was Mickey Mantle who had Bo Jackson speed)…what happened?

  29. @Hodag
    @Steve Sailer

    We can reliably say Gretzky did not take steroids. Amphetamines or opioids I am agnostic (these were notorious in the NHL).

    Gretzky and Bolt look to be similar freaks of nature, born to do what they did.

    Replies: @War for Blair Mountain, @Thomm

    The question becomes, which athlete is the greatest high-performing outlier, across all sport?

    It is hard to measure across sports, but standard deviations above the mean of other top-tier rivals, etc. are metrics that can be used.

    And we have to consider all major sports, not just US-centric sports. There may also have to be a need to adjust by era, since in the early days, there might have been a lot fewer competitors, enabling the existence of an outlier that could not exist today.

    Who is the greatest high-performing outlier of all time, across all sports? Now THAT is a question worthy of some articles.

    • Replies: @Carimbo
    @Thomm

    >The question becomes, which athlete is the greatest high-performing outlier, across all sport?

    Australian cricketer Don Bradman. Lifetime international batting average 99.94. 2nd is Adam Voges with 61.87.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  30. @Iberian
    @prosa123

    With all respect, you, like most Americans, are lost about "races"..
    Vicaut is very obsviouly "mulato" since he has a Caucasian father, and a Negroid mother.
    Lamont has a "mulato" father, what you call "Black/Afro-american" and Caucasian mother...probably, he is not more than 20% Negroid.
    Also, don't make sense put Nigerians and South-africans under the same label (Black), and call the Australian guy "White" and the Iranian "Midlle Eastern"...

    Replies: @prosa123

    With all respect, you, like most Americans, are lost about “races”..
    Vicaut is very obsviouly “mulato” since he has a Caucasian father, and a Negroid mother.
    Lamont has a “mulato” father, what you call “Black/Afro-american” and Caucasian mother…probably, he is not more than 20% Negroid.

    I haven’t been able to find any photos of Jacobs’ father, but keep in mind that most people who identify as black in the United States indeed are mostly black by ancestry, if I recall correctly about 80% on average. There are exceptions, of course, but they’re by no means common. In the absence of evidence to the contrary it is reasonable to assume that Jacobs is substantially more than 20% black by ancestry.

    An interesting thing about Jacobs is that his English, while understandable, is not particularly good.

    • Replies: @Iberian
    @prosa123

    Understand your point.
    But, he certainnly get much less than 50% Black genes.
    And he "pass" very well in Egipt, were most people is 80% Caucasian, 20% Negroid...

  31. @Altai
    Nothing to do with who has the best potential natural talent, but if you look at a list of the fastest 100m times ever and then cross out the people who were later caught doping...

    https://twistedsifter.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/the-fastest-100m-times-ever-with-names-of-people-caught-doping-crossed-out.png

    https://tomnew.medium.com/usain-bolt-lance-armstrong-and-the-duck-test-303b7b891e7e

    So the fastest people in the world are probably of West African descent, but should they be athletes from Jamaica or rather, from Jamaica to the extent that they win against other West Africans by these kinds of margins?

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Thomm, @epebble, @CauCasiAnn

    The chart seems to confirm my suspicion that Olympic games have really morphed into an Arms race in Biochemistry. Between those who invent molecules and those who detect molecules to win medals.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @Altai
    @epebble

    There are two other plots that illustrate it better from the Medium article. Note, both Carter and Greene were caught since it was made.

    https://miro.medium.com/max/700/1*jjuBLS7MuRhq9U-qsAA2jQ.png

    Table of fastest 10 men ever, orange means they've been caught at least once for doping. Both Carter and Greene have been since this was made.

    Table of fastest 34 times ever.

    https://miro.medium.com/max/508/1*7xcoGuK__MXuinvdINlzSA.png

    That gap between 9.82 being at most the fastest anyone not doping has run and Bolt's all-time 9.58 is huge.

  32. @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    They are tested.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Feryl, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon

    Steve, my uncle was CEO of the Australian Institute of Sport and I believe was in charge of all the testing protocols in Sydney ’00. They caught CJ Hunter, but not his wife Marion Jones. All Olympic sprinters are sus. Every 4 years I wonder if certain test results are deliberately ignored, or the masking agents are always ahead of the testing. FloJo, Marita Koch, the more feminine looking sprinters are at least visually believable, however I can’t believe Jarmila Kratochvilova was never busted. If she was clean Joe Biden received 81 million legit votes.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Ron Mexico

    Testing was pretty awful up through 1988.

    But a Jamaican lady just broke Flo-Jo's Olympic record in the 100m, so who knows?

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Feryl, @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Ron Mexico


    They caught CJ Hunter, but not his wife Marion Jones.
     
    This was my favorite mismatched couple. They met when he was 23 and she was 16, and started dating when she was at North Carolina and he was a coach there.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

  33. @Thomm
    @Altai

    I don't think Bolt was doping. He is just that one in ten billion sprinter.

    One person who obviously WAS doping, back in the day, but was never caught, was Florence Griffith-Joyner.

    i) Her times improved dramatically in a short time.
    ii) She obliterated female world records by a huge margin, and her 1988 records have not even been threatened, let alone broken.
    iii) A visible increase in muscle mass, increase in facial hair, and deepening of her voice were apparent to everyone. Why did all this happen at the same time as when she was shattering world records?
    iv) She abruptly retired while still young and at her peak, right around the time of a more stringent testing standard being announced.
    v) She died at the young age of 38, of something that users of PEDs are known to die from, but other track and field athletes are not known to die of. See also : Deaths of WWF wrestlers from the same cause.

    There is too much overwhelming evidence that Flo Jo was using PEDs.

    I don't think the same is true of Usain Bolt, however.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Altai

    A lot of what you just said about Flo Jo also applies to Bolt.

    It’s been 13 years and no other human has done better than 9.80 (7) Only in the 100m without having eventually been revealed to have been doping. And Bolt not only beat all the top athletes who were doping, he beat them by a lot, even more if he’d not slowed down to do the chest thumping.

    I think Bolt gets away with it chiefly because he doesn’t look like the other dopers. He doesn’t seem to have a psychotic need to win, doesn’t take himself so seriously and doesn’t have a suspiciously large physique. And also because most people have never seen a scatter plot of just how insane Bolt’s 08/09 times really were.

  34. @UNIT472
    West Africans are fast sprinters. Why? Well its a truism of biology that nature does not 'waste' genetic resources for things that are not necessary. A Grizzly Bear might have found horns useful and a rabbit fangs and venom glands helpful against a fox but nature realized being very large and powerful was sufficient for a Grizzly to subdue what it needed to subdue and a rabbits speed and agility enough for it to escape predators... enough of the time for it reproduce.

    So why are West Africans so fleet of foot? It wasn't to escape slavers as useful as that might have been. Slavery goes back a long way but probably not long enough to have allowed for evolution to do its thing. There is a old joke that says it is not necessary to be the fastest person if a bear is chasing after several people. It is only necessary to not be the slowest. There is also the empirical example of prehistoric cave excavations where human remains were found with the bones having been gnawed on by big cats. Above them were the remains of big cats that had been killed and cooked by early humans.

    Things change as animals evolve. I suspect the old joke is true. West Africans once lived in a world where leopards, lions and hyenas were deadly opponents. Being fast was a life saver. Didn't have to be the fastest just not the slowest. Now up in Europe wolves and bears were the major carnivore species. Not big cats. Wolves hunt in packs and use cunning more than speed to capture prey. Bears use scent to track their prey. The survival trick here was for early men to not run but fight as a group against predators.

    Replies: @Wei, @Anonymous Jew

    Lionesses and hyenas do hunt as packs, but your point is taken.

  35. @epebble
    @Altai

    The chart seems to confirm my suspicion that Olympic games have really morphed into an Arms race in Biochemistry. Between those who invent molecules and those who detect molecules to win medals.

    Replies: @Altai

    There are two other plots that illustrate it better from the Medium article. Note, both Carter and Greene were caught since it was made.

    Table of fastest 10 men ever, orange means they’ve been caught at least once for doping. Both Carter and Greene have been since this was made.

    Table of fastest 34 times ever.

    That gap between 9.82 being at most the fastest anyone not doping has run and Bolt’s all-time 9.58 is huge.

    • Thanks: epebble
  36. @Steve Sailer
    @Thomm

    Alternatively, in a world without PEDs, Bolt still would have won.

    But who knows, maybe some people react massively to doses of PEDs small enough to stay under the testing radar, while other people don't? I don't know.

    Bolt wasn't as jacked up as the Jamaican who finished 2nd to him in 2012, Yohan Blake.

    But, Jamaica's rise to #1 in sprinting happened after the US sent 2000 Olympic heroine Marion Jones to prison for PEDs in 2005.

    Jamaicans have to worry about getting caught by the WTO, but they don't have to worry about their country imprisoning them for what they might do to bring home national glory.

    Replies: @Hodag, @angmoh

    Alternatively, in a world without PEDs, Bolt still would have won.

    Maybe, but not necessarily. Some people respond better to drugs than others.

    In professional bodybuilding, where massive amounts of steroids are a requirement, it’s well known that exceptional response to various anabolics is a core part of the ‘genetic blessings’ that the top guys have. Schwarzenegger is considered an example of someone who responded better to drugs than his peers, he probably would have been an also-ran in a natural alternate universe.

  37. @Trinity
    Well if a Black dude can win a gold medal in the 100 meter freestyle I guess anything is possible. Used to be every time some Black racist would say "White men can't jump," I would always chime in yeah and Black guys can't swim. haha. Guess I can't say that anymore or can I? Saying Black guys can't swim is certainly more valid than saying "White men can't jump." PROOF. Look at all the White Olympic lifters who have vertical and broad jumps that rank ABOVE the top scores in NFL combines or some White high jumpers like Derek Drouin. You have 250 Olympic lifters capable of dunking a basketball, Brian Oldfield, a shot putter dunked a 16lb shot while weighing 275-280lbs. Lets see an NBA player pull that off.

    Yep, I stand by the rule, "Black people can't swim." Like everything else there are exceptions but take the average Black person drop him or her in the ocean 200 yards from shore and see if he or she can make it back to shore without drowning. Hell, most Blacks wouldn't be able to swim 200 yards in the pool. hehe. I got five on it. We are talking swimming the entire 200 yards without stopping.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @JMcG

    Trin, 200 yards is two football fields. That is a long swim for most people.

    • Replies: @Trinity
    @Buffalo Joe

    I hear ya, I will lower it to 100 yards and no butterfly or breaststroke required, freestyle in the pool. hehe.

    Replies: @JMcG

  38. @Colin Wright
    Wouldn't it be great if a white man won the hundred?

    I'd say the list of celebrants would definitely separate the sheep from the goats -- so to speak.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Bill Jones

    A tenth of a second at human running speed is about four feet. Doesn’t sound like a lot to make up, but in that kind of race gaining another four feet may as well be forty feet unless everyone else is caught dozing at the starting gun.

  39. I’m torn between rooting for Gift Leotlela or Oblique Seville. (What is Jamaica’s counterpart to the chipmunk?)

    If black Americans want to be authentically African, why do they give their kids science-fiction names like Trayvon? Do what the Africans and their Caribbean cousins do. Go full Hastings Banda and Jean-Bédel Bokassa!

  40. @Altai
    Nothing to do with who has the best potential natural talent, but if you look at a list of the fastest 100m times ever and then cross out the people who were later caught doping...

    https://twistedsifter.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/the-fastest-100m-times-ever-with-names-of-people-caught-doping-crossed-out.png

    https://tomnew.medium.com/usain-bolt-lance-armstrong-and-the-duck-test-303b7b891e7e

    So the fastest people in the world are probably of West African descent, but should they be athletes from Jamaica or rather, from Jamaica to the extent that they win against other West Africans by these kinds of margins?

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Thomm, @epebble, @CauCasiAnn

    Bingo. The women’s stats probably look similar. They don’t care if they cheat. A race with zero moral compass.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @CauCasiAnn

    Just look at this picture. Look at how jacked they all are. Two or three of them even have the faces if men (two, weirdly, of middle-aged men).
    https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2021/07/31/womens-100m-final/assets/images/topv2-2000.jpg

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  41. @Ron Mexico
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, my uncle was CEO of the Australian Institute of Sport and I believe was in charge of all the testing protocols in Sydney '00. They caught CJ Hunter, but not his wife Marion Jones. All Olympic sprinters are sus. Every 4 years I wonder if certain test results are deliberately ignored, or the masking agents are always ahead of the testing. FloJo, Marita Koch, the more feminine looking sprinters are at least visually believable, however I can't believe Jarmila Kratochvilova was never busted. If she was clean Joe Biden received 81 million legit votes.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ScarletNumber

    Testing was pretty awful up through 1988.

    But a Jamaican lady just broke Flo-Jo’s Olympic record in the 100m, so who knows?

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Steve Sailer

    Jamaica swept.

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    And Pulitzer Prize winning author Mark Finauru-Wada's book Game of Shadows delves deeply into this era. Victor Conte, the head of BALCO labs in the Bay Area, had Marion Jones, and other Olympians in the 1990's early 2000's as clients.

    It also goes into depth into Barry Bonds among other MLBers. Bonds was very much a Victor Conte client. Again, anyone who wants to continue to extol the virtues of OPS (and Sabermetrics in general) while turning a blind eye to PEDS usage during this time (like Bill James among others) by claiming there was no direct connection between MLB performance and PEDs is living in a fantasy world.

    Mark Finauru-Wada really wrote the book of books on PEDS for the 1990's. And, BALCO labs was just one of the major players that supplied PEDS to pro and Olympic athletes.

    A side question: What makes anyone believe that all of a sudden in 2021, PEDs testing is so far advanced that new labs haven't devised new ways around getting caught on a drug test?

    , @Feryl
    @Steve Sailer

    Even if you get off the peds for a while so as not to get caught, the gains in muscle and stamina will still be in effect to some degree (as anyone with functioning vision can tell). Plus as I understand Roids can create new muscle building potential that is permanent. Suffice to say that at this point young athletes know these things, and it's a good bet that any power athlete with a rippled physique was on drugs at some point.

    One way to nip this in the bud is to ban contestants whose traps, biceps, or Delts exceed a certain size. Esp. the traps, some of the Jamaican female sprinters have ludicrously masculinized traps.

    Replies: @S Johnson

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Steve Sailer


    But a Jamaican lady just broke Flo-Jo’s Olympic record in the 100m, so who knows?
     
    She doped to the gills too!
  42. Anonymous[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Bao Jiankang

    Bantu Expansion? PEDs (he got caught in 2017).

    Replies: @Some Guy, @Anonymous

    PEDs (he got caught in 2017).

    Steve, you have talked about competing in Plunge for Distance.

    https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_480w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2016/08/05/Others/Images/2016-08-05/Parringtoncompetition1470422461.jpg

    Well, here are the PEDs for Plunge for Distance:

  43. @JohnnyWalker123
    Michael Phelps banged a tranny.

    https://blacksportsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Taylor-Chandler-Phelps.jpg

    https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/217621/michael-phelps-girlfriend-reveals-that-she-was-born-a-man-whoops#story-comments

    (Source) Before he checked into rehab in September, Michael Phelps was having a steamy affair with much older blonde, Taylor Lianne Chandler. But the most shocking aspect of their relationship wasn’t the 12-year age difference. RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal that Chandler, 41, was actually born a man! Chandler, born David Roy Fitch, tells Radar in an exclusive interview that she was an intersex baby.

     

    The sex was described as "amazing."

    Phelps should be given a Gold Medal for excelling in this "endurance event."

    Chandler says the couple met on Tinder in August, and later met up at ladies man Phelps’ Baltimore home to watch the Ravens football game on September 21. “One thing led to the next, and we made love during halftime,” she says. “Later, we had sex again. The intimacy with him was amazing! It was the first time in my life that someone has made me feel like a true woman.” After party boy Phelps was arrested for drunk driving and entered treatment in October, Chandler says she spilled all about her complicated past in an email. Phelps has yet to respond.

     

    You haven't truly lived until you've banged a tranny.

    TLDR Summary: Michael Phelps had "amazing" sex with a tranny.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @HFR, @Stan Adams, @Mike Tre

    Reportedly, “she” said that Phelps was the “fastest” man that she’s ever been with.

  44. @Trinity
    Well if a Black dude can win a gold medal in the 100 meter freestyle I guess anything is possible. Used to be every time some Black racist would say "White men can't jump," I would always chime in yeah and Black guys can't swim. haha. Guess I can't say that anymore or can I? Saying Black guys can't swim is certainly more valid than saying "White men can't jump." PROOF. Look at all the White Olympic lifters who have vertical and broad jumps that rank ABOVE the top scores in NFL combines or some White high jumpers like Derek Drouin. You have 250 Olympic lifters capable of dunking a basketball, Brian Oldfield, a shot putter dunked a 16lb shot while weighing 275-280lbs. Lets see an NBA player pull that off.

    Yep, I stand by the rule, "Black people can't swim." Like everything else there are exceptions but take the average Black person drop him or her in the ocean 200 yards from shore and see if he or she can make it back to shore without drowning. Hell, most Blacks wouldn't be able to swim 200 yards in the pool. hehe. I got five on it. We are talking swimming the entire 200 yards without stopping.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @JMcG

    I went with my son to Cub Scout camp one summer. Everyone who wanted to use the pool had to do the same swim test. Dive in the deep end, and swim a circuit of the pool: that is, swim the perimeter. I think you had to use at least two different strokes.
    The results were eye-opening to say the least.
    Most of the kids made it. A lot of the dads didn’t even try. A couple were lucky that the swim started in the deep end.
    I’d honestly say that a great deal of people who’ve been out of high school for more than a few years wouldn’t have a hope of swimming 200 yards, especially in the ocean. One lungful of water and it’s all over. I had a friend who nearly drowned in his first triathlon that way. He was a good swimmer, but inhaled some water in the melee ear the start.
    I once went for a swim off a boat where the ocean was pretty deep; maybe 700 feet. The swimming was easy, but psychologically very intimidating, at least for me. Five minutes was enough.

    • Replies: @Trinity
    @JMcG

    I used to swim because I hated stretching. I am no swimmer by any stretch, but I would do 450 yards total, 450 yards was the equivalent of a 1/4 mile. Of course I stopped more than a few times. I could never do the butterfly and wasn't coordinated or flexible enough in my shoulders to manage the backstroke. I did the breaststroke or ATTEMPTED to try and do a proper breaststroke because it was a helluva workout for the upper body. Could I have swam 200 yards freestyle in a pool back then? I think I could have managed and my age was early 30s to mid 30s. Right now, I would probably be gasping after 50 yards. haha. Cardio is decent for hiking and running now but not at all for something like swimming. Different animal and different muscles being used.

    We occasionally had an open swim calls on board the Coast Guard ship I was on while in the Caribbean. I was a mess cook at the time so I was busy in the kitchen doing pots and pans, things the recruiter never told me about. I was not off work so technically I wasn't included in the little swimming party. haha. Anyhow I told my buddy I was going to jump in with boots aka boondockers, long pants, and my white t-shirt. My buddy who was also straight out of boot camp and mess cooking told me I was full of shit and told me if I went first he was right behind me. I jumped off where they lowered the small boats and sure enough my buddy was good to his word. God, try swimming in the ocean, even the smooth Caribbean in boots. I kept hearing SA Trinity and SA Trinity's buddy, lay to the bridge ASAP as I was struggling back to the ship. Then trying to climb that rope ladder to get back on board. Whew. In the words of the Road Warriors, "what a rush." That cost me 15 days extra duty.

    Cue: Iron Man by Black Sabbath

    Replies: @James Speaks, @JMcG

    , @Ed
    @JMcG

    Swimming is one of those activities where your ability deteriorates quickly as you age.

  45. @Steve Sailer
    @Ron Mexico

    Testing was pretty awful up through 1988.

    But a Jamaican lady just broke Flo-Jo's Olympic record in the 100m, so who knows?

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Feryl, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Jamaica swept.

  46. @Buffalo Joe
    @Trinity

    Trin, 200 yards is two football fields. That is a long swim for most people.

    Replies: @Trinity

    I hear ya, I will lower it to 100 yards and no butterfly or breaststroke required, freestyle in the pool. hehe.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Trinity

    JFK famously towed the survivors of the PT-109 over three miles after his boat was sunk. If I remember correctly, he used the breast stroke.

  47. @Steve Sailer
    @Ron Mexico

    Testing was pretty awful up through 1988.

    But a Jamaican lady just broke Flo-Jo's Olympic record in the 100m, so who knows?

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Feryl, @The Wild Geese Howard

    And Pulitzer Prize winning author Mark Finauru-Wada’s book Game of Shadows delves deeply into this era. Victor Conte, the head of BALCO labs in the Bay Area, had Marion Jones, and other Olympians in the 1990’s early 2000’s as clients.

    It also goes into depth into Barry Bonds among other MLBers. Bonds was very much a Victor Conte client. Again, anyone who wants to continue to extol the virtues of OPS (and Sabermetrics in general) while turning a blind eye to PEDS usage during this time (like Bill James among others) by claiming there was no direct connection between MLB performance and PEDs is living in a fantasy world.

    Mark Finauru-Wada really wrote the book of books on PEDS for the 1990’s. And, BALCO labs was just one of the major players that supplied PEDS to pro and Olympic athletes.

    A side question: What makes anyone believe that all of a sudden in 2021, PEDs testing is so far advanced that new labs haven’t devised new ways around getting caught on a drug test?

  48. @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    They are tested.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Feryl, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon

    And test them again and again. This is the Olympics. After all, if there’s nothing to hide, then they should be okay with it. And they are technically representing their countries (not themselves).

  49. @Steve Sailer
    @Ron Mexico

    Testing was pretty awful up through 1988.

    But a Jamaican lady just broke Flo-Jo's Olympic record in the 100m, so who knows?

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Feryl, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Even if you get off the peds for a while so as not to get caught, the gains in muscle and stamina will still be in effect to some degree (as anyone with functioning vision can tell). Plus as I understand Roids can create new muscle building potential that is permanent. Suffice to say that at this point young athletes know these things, and it’s a good bet that any power athlete with a rippled physique was on drugs at some point.

    One way to nip this in the bud is to ban contestants whose traps, biceps, or Delts exceed a certain size. Esp. the traps, some of the Jamaican female sprinters have ludicrously masculinized traps.

    • Replies: @S Johnson
    @Feryl

    The 2nd placed Jamaican sprinter, who was only .1 of a second off her personal best, is 34 years old. Is this normal? Do female sprinters usually remain competitive longer? Bolt retired aged 30.

    Replies: @utu, @Feryl

  50. @Bardon Kaldian
    I still don't get this obsession with blacks dominating running. Why is it so hard to acknowledge they, statistically, are simply more fit for that type of activity? It's in their biology.

    Of course, they use various tricks; some of them cheat; sometimes a member of other races outruns them ... But, they- or some part of them, located in a region of Africa- are clearly superior to others.

    Why is it news?

    Replies: @James Speaks

    Why is it news? Because it is evidence of a trait that is overwhelmingly African in origin, namely running fast, that it is the result of Darwinian selective pressure. It is almost as if there is a race of Africans and that running fast is in their DNA. It is almost as if it is plausible that all races are not equal, and the much denied IQ gap is real and is aso the root cause of the wealth gap, the walking on the sidewalk instead of meanderng down the center of the road gap, and the tendency not to murder gap.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @James Speaks

    Of course that races exist & some are better or worse in some areas.

    Blacks score, undeniably, lower at IQ tests.

    But- this is not the same level or reality as is the sprinting. With sprinting, it is either - or, one can see it with his own eyes. There are, actually, not additional variables, not some real complexities. It is so evident that even blind could see it.

    With IQ, it is too abstract & prone to criticism.

    Small slices of life like running are not the same, simple level of reality as, say, creative and intellectual achievement, and blacks' inferiority in these areas, while too evident, various charlatans may try to explain away with CRT & similar fictions. But- no one of the sane mind would believe such a rubbish, nowhere in the world.

    It essentially doesn't matter which part is nature, and which nurture or something else. I don't care about IQ, but, if in more than 150 years of freedom & over 50 years of governmental cuddling a very clearly delineated racial/ethnic group- and a numerous one at that - has been behaving more or less the same way all the time, it is evident they are such a group that nothing significantly different cannot be expected from them.

    Empirical test is life. Blacks, nowhere in the world, have achieved anything beyond entertainment. They cannot function in a modern society, any more than Gypsies, pure Indians, Abos or Eskimos. That ship has long sailed.

    Replies: @James Speaks

  51. @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    They are tested.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Feryl, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon

    Not frequently enough. Sprinters need to be tested on a frequent and unannounced basis within 1 year before the Olympics begin. And positive tests need to be punished with life time bans and stripping of all past medals and results. An additional idea is banning all athletes from that country from international completion for 5 years.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Feryl


    An additional idea is banning all athletes from that country from international completion for 5 years.

     

    The 'international sports community' has been doing something like that with Russia for a while. As you may have noted in this Olympics, there is no Russia among the competing nations.

    Replies: @Feryl

  52. @Trinity
    @Buffalo Joe

    I hear ya, I will lower it to 100 yards and no butterfly or breaststroke required, freestyle in the pool. hehe.

    Replies: @JMcG

    JFK famously towed the survivors of the PT-109 over three miles after his boat was sunk. If I remember correctly, he used the breast stroke.

  53. @Buffalo Joe
    Don't care who is fast or half fast but I saw a photo of USA's premier discus thrower Valerie Allman. Exceptional beauty.

    Replies: @Anon, @PiltdownMan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon

    You know she prefers Black Men don’t you? Check out her social media.

    • LOL: Truth
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Anon

    I did. I wanted to seenwho she is. You're lying. Why would you make something like that up?

  54. @Buffalo Joe
    Don't care who is fast or half fast but I saw a photo of USA's premier discus thrower Valerie Allman. Exceptional beauty.

    Replies: @Anon, @PiltdownMan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon

    Don’t care who is fast or half fast but I saw a photo of USA’s premier discus thrower Valerie Allman. Exceptional beauty.

    Her counterpart in the women’s shot put, Raven Saunders, is quite striking, too.

    On a more serious note, PiltdownWoman and I were just talking about this—she follows track and field quite closely. She mentioned that the European women in the high jump, pole vault, and long jump are often blessed with very good looks, and that two Ukrainians, who are the favorites in the women’s high jump event, Maruchikh and Levchenko, are the ones to look out for.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @PiltdownMan


    two Ukrainians, who are the favorites in the women’s high jump event, Maruchikh and Levchenko, are the ones to look out for.
     
    Wow! Thanks for the tip. They somehow manage to avoid being muscled up and avoid the resting lesbian bitch face when not smiling.

    Replies: @Feryl

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @PiltdownMan

    Pilt, WNY has spawned some wonderful women pole vaulters, Jenn Suhr for one. It is the coaching. Ms.Saunders doesn't need to worry about anyone touching her hairs.

  55. @JMcG
    @Trinity

    I went with my son to Cub Scout camp one summer. Everyone who wanted to use the pool had to do the same swim test. Dive in the deep end, and swim a circuit of the pool: that is, swim the perimeter. I think you had to use at least two different strokes.
    The results were eye-opening to say the least.
    Most of the kids made it. A lot of the dads didn’t even try. A couple were lucky that the swim started in the deep end.
    I’d honestly say that a great deal of people who’ve been out of high school for more than a few years wouldn’t have a hope of swimming 200 yards, especially in the ocean. One lungful of water and it’s all over. I had a friend who nearly drowned in his first triathlon that way. He was a good swimmer, but inhaled some water in the melee ear the start.
    I once went for a swim off a boat where the ocean was pretty deep; maybe 700 feet. The swimming was easy, but psychologically very intimidating, at least for me. Five minutes was enough.

    Replies: @Trinity, @Ed

    I used to swim because I hated stretching. I am no swimmer by any stretch, but I would do 450 yards total, 450 yards was the equivalent of a 1/4 mile. Of course I stopped more than a few times. I could never do the butterfly and wasn’t coordinated or flexible enough in my shoulders to manage the backstroke. I did the breaststroke or ATTEMPTED to try and do a proper breaststroke because it was a helluva workout for the upper body. Could I have swam 200 yards freestyle in a pool back then? I think I could have managed and my age was early 30s to mid 30s. Right now, I would probably be gasping after 50 yards. haha. Cardio is decent for hiking and running now but not at all for something like swimming. Different animal and different muscles being used.

    We occasionally had an open swim calls on board the Coast Guard ship I was on while in the Caribbean. I was a mess cook at the time so I was busy in the kitchen doing pots and pans, things the recruiter never told me about. I was not off work so technically I wasn’t included in the little swimming party. haha. Anyhow I told my buddy I was going to jump in with boots aka boondockers, long pants, and my white t-shirt. My buddy who was also straight out of boot camp and mess cooking told me I was full of shit and told me if I went first he was right behind me. I jumped off where they lowered the small boats and sure enough my buddy was good to his word. God, try swimming in the ocean, even the smooth Caribbean in boots. I kept hearing SA Trinity and SA Trinity’s buddy, lay to the bridge ASAP as I was struggling back to the ship. Then trying to climb that rope ladder to get back on board. Whew. In the words of the Road Warriors, “what a rush.” That cost me 15 days extra duty.

    Cue: Iron Man by Black Sabbath

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Trinity


    I could never do the butterfly and wasn’t coordinated or flexible enough in my shoulders to manage the backstroke.
     
    Most people who see the Fly on TV and then try it in a pool seem to want to control the kick as if its purpose was to propel the upper body out of the water, and this is what throws them off.

    To learn the Fly, start gliding ( a little scissors kick is ok if you haven't learned to time the dolphin kick) with your arm extended straight forwar, then put your head down and move your arms in the hour glass pattern. (It's probably something different now but whatever). Just let your legs do what come natural and after a couple of cycles you can put some force into the kick.

    Here's a video from the site swim competative dot com

    https://youtu.be/EfEEXpy9dQY
    , @JMcG
    @Trinity

    Thanks- there are some terrific stories on this comment section. Have a good one!

  56. Anon[106] • Disclaimer says:

    Black Ghanaian dadded, Japanese mommed 22-year-old Hakim Abdul Sani Brown, the former Japanese national record holder (9.97), completely folded in the trials, coming in sixth. I think he tried to pivot to the 200, but it didn’t work out.

    Brown attended the University of Florida and ran for them during his college years. His Japanese mom was a high school track luminary. His mom would be in the stands during meets, but his dad seems to have gone walkabout at some point (paging Philippe Rushton).

    One of the surviving 100 meter team members, Ryota Yamagaya now holds the national record at 9.95.

    All in all the Japanese seem fine with having three ethnic Japanese representing then. Suni Brown seems to have been memory holed after the trials.

  57. @Feryl
    @Steve Sailer

    Even if you get off the peds for a while so as not to get caught, the gains in muscle and stamina will still be in effect to some degree (as anyone with functioning vision can tell). Plus as I understand Roids can create new muscle building potential that is permanent. Suffice to say that at this point young athletes know these things, and it's a good bet that any power athlete with a rippled physique was on drugs at some point.

    One way to nip this in the bud is to ban contestants whose traps, biceps, or Delts exceed a certain size. Esp. the traps, some of the Jamaican female sprinters have ludicrously masculinized traps.

    Replies: @S Johnson

    The 2nd placed Jamaican sprinter, who was only .1 of a second off her personal best, is 34 years old. Is this normal? Do female sprinters usually remain competitive longer? Bolt retired aged 30.

    • Replies: @utu
    @S Johnson

    "Do female sprinters usually remain competitive longer?" - In 400m. Marita Koch set the world record in 1985 to 47.60 s when she was 28. She was defeated by 31 yo Szewinska when Koch was 20 in 1977. Szewinska won gold in 1976 when she was 30 yo. Marita Koch's record still stands 36 years later. Here Koch and Szewinska in 1977:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be9jkhfahqI

    If the Soviet Block methods and efforts in track and field continued past 1990 the list of black athletes among the top short distance runners would be somewhat shorter.

    , @Feryl
    @S Johnson

    Male competition is far more intense and male ability is more evenly shared within the same gender compared to the women talent pool. If you're a dude, getting to the top and staying there is much more grueling. With women, the most masculinized ones have a major advantage over more feminine ones. Female team sports are terrible compare to the mens counterpart because so few women are athletic.

  58. @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    They are tested.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Feryl, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon

    Test them. Test all of them.

    They are tested.

    By 23andMe?

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Reg Cæsar

    PCR tested. No steriods to be found but they all have covid. Money machine go brrrr.

    Replies: @Feryl

  59. Here’s some “statistics” for you. And since you all believe in statistics the way some people believe in boogie-men, you must believe this chart, which proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that New York City is approaching its lowest homicide rate on record. So much for this phony, trumped-up, sucker-the-masses “crime wave” lie.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @obwandiyag

    It shows murders YTD up 37% from 2019. Not a good trend, but a better total than 20 years ago, when it was still dropping.

    That doesn’t look like Michael Phelps.

    It isn't him. I suspect this is a still for a porno.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  60. Three black sprinters finish behind white one in 4 x 400 mix

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @utu

    Every serious follower of track and field knows that the nexus of speed, strength, and endurance for runners is the 400 meter run-you could say that about the 800 m event as well.

    The White sprinter Jeremy Wariner dominated the 400 m not long ago winning the individual gold at the 2004 Olympics, and gold as a relay member for the 4 x 400. He won silver in 2008 and was on the gold relay team again. In the World Championships, he won 5 gold (2 individual, 3 relay) and one silver individual medal. In the IAAF Championship series in 2006, he won $250k and was undefeated in the 400m.

    He dominated the kniggbos.

    I remember a magazine article about him. It mentioned that Wariner, the only White sprinter on his college team, was subjected to "pranks" by the nigro "teammates" who called him "White Boy". The cucked article took pains that the towel snapping ambushes in the shower and the racial slurs were "joking" and "good natured".

    That's a relief. Nothing says "good natured" like racial slurs.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

  61. @JohnnyWalker123
    Michael Phelps banged a tranny.

    https://blacksportsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Taylor-Chandler-Phelps.jpg

    https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/217621/michael-phelps-girlfriend-reveals-that-she-was-born-a-man-whoops#story-comments

    (Source) Before he checked into rehab in September, Michael Phelps was having a steamy affair with much older blonde, Taylor Lianne Chandler. But the most shocking aspect of their relationship wasn’t the 12-year age difference. RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal that Chandler, 41, was actually born a man! Chandler, born David Roy Fitch, tells Radar in an exclusive interview that she was an intersex baby.

     

    The sex was described as "amazing."

    Phelps should be given a Gold Medal for excelling in this "endurance event."

    Chandler says the couple met on Tinder in August, and later met up at ladies man Phelps’ Baltimore home to watch the Ravens football game on September 21. “One thing led to the next, and we made love during halftime,” she says. “Later, we had sex again. The intimacy with him was amazing! It was the first time in my life that someone has made me feel like a true woman.” After party boy Phelps was arrested for drunk driving and entered treatment in October, Chandler says she spilled all about her complicated past in an email. Phelps has yet to respond.

     

    You haven't truly lived until you've banged a tranny.

    TLDR Summary: Michael Phelps had "amazing" sex with a tranny.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @HFR, @Stan Adams, @Mike Tre

    That doesn’t look like Michael Phelps. More importantly, he doesn’t have that arm tattoo.

  62. @Anon
    @Buffalo Joe

    You know she prefers Black Men don’t you? Check out her social media.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    I did. I wanted to seenwho she is. You’re lying. Why would you make something like that up?

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
  63. @obwandiyag
    Here's some "statistics" for you. And since you all believe in statistics the way some people believe in boogie-men, you must believe this chart, which proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that New York City is approaching its lowest homicide rate on record. So much for this phony, trumped-up, sucker-the-masses "crime wave" lie.

    https://2vynjo3oi9ijs29xb3fmjtn1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/E7QzkYMUUAMUZrk-768x989.jpg

    Replies: @Ralph L

    It shows murders YTD up 37% from 2019. Not a good trend, but a better total than 20 years ago, when it was still dropping.

    That doesn’t look like Michael Phelps.

    It isn’t him. I suspect this is a still for a porno.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Ralph L

    It's hard to do the average robbery and assault when there's no potential victim out on the street.

    Those who do venture out are, however. more likely to be attacked. Thus you get a crime wave with lower crime numbers.

    Hardly rocket science.

  64. @PiltdownMan
    @Buffalo Joe


    Don’t care who is fast or half fast but I saw a photo of USA’s premier discus thrower Valerie Allman. Exceptional beauty.
     
    Her counterpart in the women's shot put, Raven Saunders, is quite striking, too.


    https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2021/07/640/320/Raven-Saunders.jpg?ve=1&tl=1


    On a more serious note, PiltdownWoman and I were just talking about this—she follows track and field quite closely. She mentioned that the European women in the high jump, pole vault, and long jump are often blessed with very good looks, and that two Ukrainians, who are the favorites in the women's high jump event, Maruchikh and Levchenko, are the ones to look out for.

    Replies: @Anon, @Buffalo Joe

    two Ukrainians, who are the favorites in the women’s high jump event, Maruchikh and Levchenko, are the ones to look out for.

    Wow! Thanks for the tip. They somehow manage to avoid being muscled up and avoid the resting lesbian bitch face when not smiling.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Anon

    I've noticed that rather strangely, musclebound masculine whites tend to be strong but rather slow. Speedy whites (with a handful of exceptions like Jordy Nelson) tend to be more gracile than a lot of speedy blacks. In other words, it's difficult to determine white speed based on looks, whereas more muscular blacks are a good bet to be both fast and strong.

  65. @S Johnson
    @Feryl

    The 2nd placed Jamaican sprinter, who was only .1 of a second off her personal best, is 34 years old. Is this normal? Do female sprinters usually remain competitive longer? Bolt retired aged 30.

    Replies: @utu, @Feryl

    “Do female sprinters usually remain competitive longer?” – In 400m. Marita Koch set the world record in 1985 to 47.60 s when she was 28. She was defeated by 31 yo Szewinska when Koch was 20 in 1977. Szewinska won gold in 1976 when she was 30 yo. Marita Koch’s record still stands 36 years later. Here Koch and Szewinska in 1977:

    If the Soviet Block methods and efforts in track and field continued past 1990 the list of black athletes among the top short distance runners would be somewhat shorter.

  66. @PaceLaw
    @prosa123

    Well, but of course Vicaut and Jacobs would look very different in racial terms. Vicaut’s mom is an African, from the Ivory Coast, and, of course, she would bring a distinct look and characteristics to the table. Jacobs’ dad is an African-American, and most African-Americans have approximately 25% white ancestry in their DNA. I haven’t seen any photos, but Jacobs’ dad could’ve been light skinned, to a medium-complected black fellow. A complete shift in how each would look . . .

    Replies: @Jake Barnes

    Fine but Jacobs’ mother is basically African too

  67. @Trinity
    @JMcG

    I used to swim because I hated stretching. I am no swimmer by any stretch, but I would do 450 yards total, 450 yards was the equivalent of a 1/4 mile. Of course I stopped more than a few times. I could never do the butterfly and wasn't coordinated or flexible enough in my shoulders to manage the backstroke. I did the breaststroke or ATTEMPTED to try and do a proper breaststroke because it was a helluva workout for the upper body. Could I have swam 200 yards freestyle in a pool back then? I think I could have managed and my age was early 30s to mid 30s. Right now, I would probably be gasping after 50 yards. haha. Cardio is decent for hiking and running now but not at all for something like swimming. Different animal and different muscles being used.

    We occasionally had an open swim calls on board the Coast Guard ship I was on while in the Caribbean. I was a mess cook at the time so I was busy in the kitchen doing pots and pans, things the recruiter never told me about. I was not off work so technically I wasn't included in the little swimming party. haha. Anyhow I told my buddy I was going to jump in with boots aka boondockers, long pants, and my white t-shirt. My buddy who was also straight out of boot camp and mess cooking told me I was full of shit and told me if I went first he was right behind me. I jumped off where they lowered the small boats and sure enough my buddy was good to his word. God, try swimming in the ocean, even the smooth Caribbean in boots. I kept hearing SA Trinity and SA Trinity's buddy, lay to the bridge ASAP as I was struggling back to the ship. Then trying to climb that rope ladder to get back on board. Whew. In the words of the Road Warriors, "what a rush." That cost me 15 days extra duty.

    Cue: Iron Man by Black Sabbath

    Replies: @James Speaks, @JMcG

    I could never do the butterfly and wasn’t coordinated or flexible enough in my shoulders to manage the backstroke.

    Most people who see the Fly on TV and then try it in a pool seem to want to control the kick as if its purpose was to propel the upper body out of the water, and this is what throws them off.

    To learn the Fly, start gliding ( a little scissors kick is ok if you haven’t learned to time the dolphin kick) with your arm extended straight forwar, then put your head down and move your arms in the hour glass pattern. (It’s probably something different now but whatever). Just let your legs do what come natural and after a couple of cycles you can put some force into the kick.

    Here’s a video from the site swim competative dot com

  68. @CauCasiAnn
    @Altai

    Bingo. The women's stats probably look similar. They don't care if they cheat. A race with zero moral compass.

    Replies: @International Jew

    Just look at this picture. Look at how jacked they all are. Two or three of them even have the faces if men (two, weirdly, of middle-aged men).

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @International Jew


    Just look at this picture. Look at how jacked they all are. Two or three of them even have the faces if men (two, weirdly, of middle-aged men).

     

    Totes natty, bruh.

    Like, totally.
  69. @Buffalo Joe
    Don't care who is fast or half fast but I saw a photo of USA's premier discus thrower Valerie Allman. Exceptional beauty.

    Replies: @Anon, @PiltdownMan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon

    discus thrower Valerie Allman. Exceptional beauty.

    Jeez, Joe—cruel sarcasm isn’t your usual style. 😐

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You'll soon get used to her looks," said he,
    "And a very nice girl you'll find her!
    She may very well pass for forty-three
    In the dusk, with a light behind her!"
    --G & S, Trial by Jury

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Jenner, I saw her on live TV. She is a very attractive woman.

  70. @Trinity
    @JMcG

    I used to swim because I hated stretching. I am no swimmer by any stretch, but I would do 450 yards total, 450 yards was the equivalent of a 1/4 mile. Of course I stopped more than a few times. I could never do the butterfly and wasn't coordinated or flexible enough in my shoulders to manage the backstroke. I did the breaststroke or ATTEMPTED to try and do a proper breaststroke because it was a helluva workout for the upper body. Could I have swam 200 yards freestyle in a pool back then? I think I could have managed and my age was early 30s to mid 30s. Right now, I would probably be gasping after 50 yards. haha. Cardio is decent for hiking and running now but not at all for something like swimming. Different animal and different muscles being used.

    We occasionally had an open swim calls on board the Coast Guard ship I was on while in the Caribbean. I was a mess cook at the time so I was busy in the kitchen doing pots and pans, things the recruiter never told me about. I was not off work so technically I wasn't included in the little swimming party. haha. Anyhow I told my buddy I was going to jump in with boots aka boondockers, long pants, and my white t-shirt. My buddy who was also straight out of boot camp and mess cooking told me I was full of shit and told me if I went first he was right behind me. I jumped off where they lowered the small boats and sure enough my buddy was good to his word. God, try swimming in the ocean, even the smooth Caribbean in boots. I kept hearing SA Trinity and SA Trinity's buddy, lay to the bridge ASAP as I was struggling back to the ship. Then trying to climb that rope ladder to get back on board. Whew. In the words of the Road Warriors, "what a rush." That cost me 15 days extra duty.

    Cue: Iron Man by Black Sabbath

    Replies: @James Speaks, @JMcG

    Thanks- there are some terrific stories on this comment section. Have a good one!

    • Thanks: Trinity
  71. Race and the Race to be the World’s Fastest Man

    Be careful what you wish for. This one goes out to Dan, who may be related:

  72. @Anon
    @PiltdownMan


    two Ukrainians, who are the favorites in the women’s high jump event, Maruchikh and Levchenko, are the ones to look out for.
     
    Wow! Thanks for the tip. They somehow manage to avoid being muscled up and avoid the resting lesbian bitch face when not smiling.

    Replies: @Feryl

    I’ve noticed that rather strangely, musclebound masculine whites tend to be strong but rather slow. Speedy whites (with a handful of exceptions like Jordy Nelson) tend to be more gracile than a lot of speedy blacks. In other words, it’s difficult to determine white speed based on looks, whereas more muscular blacks are a good bet to be both fast and strong.

  73. @S Johnson
    @Feryl

    The 2nd placed Jamaican sprinter, who was only .1 of a second off her personal best, is 34 years old. Is this normal? Do female sprinters usually remain competitive longer? Bolt retired aged 30.

    Replies: @utu, @Feryl

    Male competition is far more intense and male ability is more evenly shared within the same gender compared to the women talent pool. If you’re a dude, getting to the top and staying there is much more grueling. With women, the most masculinized ones have a major advantage over more feminine ones. Female team sports are terrible compare to the mens counterpart because so few women are athletic.

    • Thanks: S Johnson
  74. @JohnnyWalker123
    Michael Phelps banged a tranny.

    https://blacksportsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Taylor-Chandler-Phelps.jpg

    https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/217621/michael-phelps-girlfriend-reveals-that-she-was-born-a-man-whoops#story-comments

    (Source) Before he checked into rehab in September, Michael Phelps was having a steamy affair with much older blonde, Taylor Lianne Chandler. But the most shocking aspect of their relationship wasn’t the 12-year age difference. RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal that Chandler, 41, was actually born a man! Chandler, born David Roy Fitch, tells Radar in an exclusive interview that she was an intersex baby.

     

    The sex was described as "amazing."

    Phelps should be given a Gold Medal for excelling in this "endurance event."

    Chandler says the couple met on Tinder in August, and later met up at ladies man Phelps’ Baltimore home to watch the Ravens football game on September 21. “One thing led to the next, and we made love during halftime,” she says. “Later, we had sex again. The intimacy with him was amazing! It was the first time in my life that someone has made me feel like a true woman.” After party boy Phelps was arrested for drunk driving and entered treatment in October, Chandler says she spilled all about her complicated past in an email. Phelps has yet to respond.

     

    You haven't truly lived until you've banged a tranny.

    TLDR Summary: Michael Phelps had "amazing" sex with a tranny.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @HFR, @Stan Adams, @Mike Tre

    She/he/it looks a little like Kathie Lee Gifford.

  75. @Steve Sailer
    @Ron Mexico

    Testing was pretty awful up through 1988.

    But a Jamaican lady just broke Flo-Jo's Olympic record in the 100m, so who knows?

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Feryl, @The Wild Geese Howard

    But a Jamaican lady just broke Flo-Jo’s Olympic record in the 100m, so who knows?

    She doped to the gills too!

  76. @International Jew
    @CauCasiAnn

    Just look at this picture. Look at how jacked they all are. Two or three of them even have the faces if men (two, weirdly, of middle-aged men).
    https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2021/07/31/womens-100m-final/assets/images/topv2-2000.jpg

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Just look at this picture. Look at how jacked they all are. Two or three of them even have the faces if men (two, weirdly, of middle-aged men).

    Totes natty, bruh.

    Like, totally.

  77. So? What difference does it make? Some Blacks can run a little bit faster in a short burst, but change it to 150m and they won’t seem so superior, since they have less endurance.

    I don’t think it has anything to do with running away from lions or hyenas either. You could make the case that they evolved like that to run from the police.

  78. Anon[177] • Disclaimer says:

    Focus on Olympic finals seems misplaced since accidents can allow for underperforming athletes to find themselves in such a race. The best resource to look at is the IAAF list, here, which provides comprehensive data for all events, not just the 100m: https://www.worldathletics.org/records/all-time-toplists/sprints/100-metres/outdoor/men/senior

    The fastest 100m ever run by a white man under official conditions is only joint 308th fastest.
    The athlete in question (Lemaitre) is only joint 54th fastest of all time.

  79. @James Speaks
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Why is it news? Because it is evidence of a trait that is overwhelmingly African in origin, namely running fast, that it is the result of Darwinian selective pressure. It is almost as if there is a race of Africans and that running fast is in their DNA. It is almost as if it is plausible that all races are not equal, and the much denied IQ gap is real and is aso the root cause of the wealth gap, the walking on the sidewalk instead of meanderng down the center of the road gap, and the tendency not to murder gap.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Of course that races exist & some are better or worse in some areas.

    Blacks score, undeniably, lower at IQ tests.

    But- this is not the same level or reality as is the sprinting. With sprinting, it is either – or, one can see it with his own eyes. There are, actually, not additional variables, not some real complexities. It is so evident that even blind could see it.

    With IQ, it is too abstract & prone to criticism.

    Small slices of life like running are not the same, simple level of reality as, say, creative and intellectual achievement, and blacks’ inferiority in these areas, while too evident, various charlatans may try to explain away with CRT & similar fictions. But- no one of the sane mind would believe such a rubbish, nowhere in the world.

    It essentially doesn’t matter which part is nature, and which nurture or something else. I don’t care about IQ, but, if in more than 150 years of freedom & over 50 years of governmental cuddling a very clearly delineated racial/ethnic group- and a numerous one at that – has been behaving more or less the same way all the time, it is evident they are such a group that nothing significantly different cannot be expected from them.

    Empirical test is life. Blacks, nowhere in the world, have achieved anything beyond entertainment. They cannot function in a modern society, any more than Gypsies, pure Indians, Abos or Eskimos. That ship has long sailed.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
    • Thanks: James Speaks
    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The empirical test is valid. You offer a definition of a group based on decades of settled behavior (i.e. not transient due to external circumstances), whereas I posited DNA differences. Cause and effect, both valid arguments.

    Wokester theoreticians try to deny the cause by saying race does not exist and besides, the melaninly enhanced do poorly on IQ tests due to CRT, or something, whereas wokester empiricists say the differences in wealth are due to CRT and the differences in arrest rates are due to CRT, and if you try to bring up murder rates, they respond with ... wait for it ... CRT and turn over the keys to your house, then report to room 101.

  80. Anon[740] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Don't care who is fast or half fast but I saw a photo of USA's premier discus thrower Valerie Allman. Exceptional beauty.

    Replies: @Anon, @PiltdownMan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon

    Already 26 years old and not married, in a “masters program in Communications at Stanford”: The triple threat: Masters degrees are worthless. Literally they make you worth less in lifetime earnings, the only degree for which that is true for all levels of IQ, according to Bryan Caplan’s The Case against Education. “Communications” is a bullshit woke discipline. If you are not in education and you want a bullshit masters degree, they created “communications.” And Stanford: They’ve been cranking out woke zombies for years. Their physics department has sponsored Ph.D. candidates who don’t know anything about physics, but who do dissertations about physics education for underrepresented minorities. Most colleges issue such degrees in the education department.

    Another problem is she looks like she’s in her 30s already, perhaps a byproduct of being an outdoor athlete with sun exposure. She reads “fertility turning south, expect stillbirths and Downs syndrome,” even if that’s really a few years off for her.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Anon

    SevenFourZero, thanks, I forgot there was an age limit on how old you could be before you married. Three daughters married past 30, three daughters with wonderful, healthy, smart kids. No "one size fits all.' Oh, and my wife had our two daughters when she was 42 and 44. Both very successful women. Take care.

    Replies: @Anon

  81. Anon[740] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    They are tested.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Feryl, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon

    I think that Michael Anton’s “Law of Salutary Contradiction” (or Rob Dreher’s “Law of Merited Impossibility”) applies to sports doping.

    There’s sort of a “You’re paranoid, they’re testing everything” thing that is simultaneous with “Doping should be allowed, where do you draw the line, banning pot is crazy, food and drink are performance enhancing so why not drugs, only ban significantly dangerous stuff, etc.”

    I think that a component of … the left? … social radicals? … are laying the groundwork for legalizing any sort of drug. Pot was the first step. Then all of these people pushing psychedelics is the second (Michael Pollan, Hamilton Morriss, et al. The off-label stuff related to trannyism is part of it.

  82. Steve, I’m not sure I’m gonna make it out of this one, mate.

    Been suppressed for a month at least with no way out, NSW Police choppers overhead, our own army going door to do door making sure you haven’t gone outside to pick up the newspaper.

    Yet, I’m in a good zone.

    I fear we will all suicide before September brings Spring and political reconsideration in her raiment.

    My own poor parents I spoke tonight over the cellular, the last connection we have with each other, remonstrating how the Melbourne Storm are always offside, get away with forward passes and how our mighty Penrith must go looking for care and absolution much like we do.

    I’ve even turned to the wireless transmissions of the radio but all they are infused with is Olympic medals which no one gives a shit about, and so called hero stories from sheltered faggots who everyone hates. 15 minute medal tallies as another Year 12 student attempts suicide or calls the Youth Helpline Hotline.

    The one thing that has kept my family together this whole time, and will be like a candle in a window in a light in a window on a hill…how much it means to us that Boomers don’t get to die from Covid.

    If we could destroy further future decades more than we already have and ensure we’re a permanently set low caste impoverished bunch of garbage dump refuse it will be worth it just so you don’t get the sneezes for a week, mate.

    For you:

    (I just hope my liver can make it through to play the bagpipes at your 99th year funeral)

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    @Pat Hannagan

    Jesus Christ, Sailer is about to proclaim a victory who would 100% repudiate him.

    The guy's name is Browning = 100% anglo

    He's wearing the free flowing hair of our nation, yet he repudiates people who aren't as stupid Sailer is, he basically rejects Sailer and everything Sailer stands for yet Sailer will see him out on account of his skin colour and surname.

    It's pretty clear that the people Steve Sailer celebrates also equally celebrate the loss of people like him.

    How do we get about that?

    I think the right people I know dig in and the rest scrabble to take sides

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rpLTRiJyRA

    , @Bill Jones
    @Pat Hannagan

    Your not going to get any sympathy about the Lizards of OZ from a paid up Branch Covidian like Steve.

    I've been following the Oz thing in a casual sort of way and have been amazed at the dichotomy between the behavior and the widely promoted image of Aussies; proudly independent with rippling biceps, full chest tattoo's, luxuriant mustache's etc (and that's just the sheila's).

    What happened?

    , @Bill Jones
    @Pat Hannagan

    Just stumbled across this. Are people really sitting still for this?

    One 80 year old dies and you're back to penal colony status?

    (But for real this time)

    http://www.yourdestinationnow.com/2021/08/australia-will-use-military-to-enforce.html

  83. @Feryl
    @Steve Sailer

    Not frequently enough. Sprinters need to be tested on a frequent and unannounced basis within 1 year before the Olympics begin. And positive tests need to be punished with life time bans and stripping of all past medals and results. An additional idea is banning all athletes from that country from international completion for 5 years.

    Replies: @Pericles

    An additional idea is banning all athletes from that country from international completion for 5 years.

    The ‘international sports community’ has been doing something like that with Russia for a while. As you may have noted in this Olympics, there is no Russia among the competing nations.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Pericles

    HiIt's dumb pandering to Western chauvinists who think that we live in the world of Rocky 4 where the Western "good guys" do things on the level while dirty commies don't.

    Lord only knows what was being swept under the rug prior to Marion Jones/Balco et Al organizing such widespread brazen private sector doping in America that American authorities cracked down before greater embarrassment was inflicted.

    BTW, the treatmennt of Russia is yet more proof that they aren't a major power. America and China are. America and China aren't going to be belittled like Russia by the IOC anytime soon. And we all know that China was using 8 or 9 year old girls for Gymnastics back when they held the Olympics.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

  84. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Rohan Browning, a little known white Australian, ran 10.01 in the first round heats to tie for the 5th fastest qualifier for the semifinals. Su Bingtian, a Chinese, tied for the 12th fastest time. Filippo Tortu of Italy, a white man, was the 18th fastest qualifier at 10.10. (He has broken the 10 second barrier before.)"

    This is a bit suspicious, that now all of a sudden after many decades that non-POC's should be faring this well in the 100 meters. Test them. Test all of them. Right now when they're least expecting it.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @sb, @AceDeuce

    The (white ) Australian guy you refer to is very middle class by pedigree and was in the top 1% academically on school results ( and he’s not Asian ! ) Speaks French and all that and is a law student at a top university
    Really needs some ink and gold chains if he wants to fit in the sprinter’s club

    • Replies: @Adept
    @sb


    is a law student at a top university

     

    What a dreadful waste of human capital.
  85. @JMcG
    @Trinity

    I went with my son to Cub Scout camp one summer. Everyone who wanted to use the pool had to do the same swim test. Dive in the deep end, and swim a circuit of the pool: that is, swim the perimeter. I think you had to use at least two different strokes.
    The results were eye-opening to say the least.
    Most of the kids made it. A lot of the dads didn’t even try. A couple were lucky that the swim started in the deep end.
    I’d honestly say that a great deal of people who’ve been out of high school for more than a few years wouldn’t have a hope of swimming 200 yards, especially in the ocean. One lungful of water and it’s all over. I had a friend who nearly drowned in his first triathlon that way. He was a good swimmer, but inhaled some water in the melee ear the start.
    I once went for a swim off a boat where the ocean was pretty deep; maybe 700 feet. The swimming was easy, but psychologically very intimidating, at least for me. Five minutes was enough.

    Replies: @Trinity, @Ed

    Swimming is one of those activities where your ability deteriorates quickly as you age.

  86. @AceDeuce
    Oh noes! The fastest colored boy is a tenth of a second faster than the fastest White Man! (who, in turn, is faster than 30 some other coloreds and some mystery meat folks.)

    You know what this means--we should be ruled by racehorses...

    Replies: @Batman

    I think the punch line is it should be obvious that racial differences exist just from observation (skin color, hair texture, etc.). But, if you need more evidence, you can look to West African dominance in fast-twitch athletics like sprinting, basketball, or football. Or you can look at other Africans’ dominance of slow-twitch athletics like distance running.

    If you can accept that there are racial differences in athletic peak performance, you can accept the intuition that every child who has ever had to participate in gym class learns (the black kid gets picked first because he’s the best athlete in the class).

    And if you can accept that blacks are on average more athletic than everyone else, you can accept that blacks on average are dumber, more aggressive, and more prone to criminality than everyone else.

    But that’s something you can’t say out loud. The central thesis of Black Lives Matter is that it’s unbearable for blacks to have to live alongside whites. Anyone who has ever had their bike stolen knows not only that it’s not true but also that the opposite is true.

    • Replies: @megabar
    @Batman

    > The central thesis of Black Lives Matter is that it’s unbearable for blacks to have to live alongside whites. Anyone who has ever had their bike stolen knows not only that it’s not true but also that the opposite is true.

    In fact, both can be true. The reasons may be different, but that doesn't make it less true.

  87. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Rohan Browning, a little known white Australian, ran 10.01 in the first round heats to tie for the 5th fastest qualifier for the semifinals. Su Bingtian, a Chinese, tied for the 12th fastest time. Filippo Tortu of Italy, a white man, was the 18th fastest qualifier at 10.10. (He has broken the 10 second barrier before.)"

    This is a bit suspicious, that now all of a sudden after many decades that non-POC's should be faring this well in the 100 meters. Test them. Test all of them. Right now when they're least expecting it.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @sb, @AceDeuce

    This is a bit suspicious, that now all of a sudden after many decades that non-POC’s should be faring this well in the 100 meters. Test them. Test all of them. Right now when they’re least expecting it.

    Hater! You just want to keep the White Man down!

    That was satire–at least I think so. It’s hard to tell the difference anymore.

    And Wypipo were posting times close to this 80-100 years ago with leather shoes, woolen shorts and a cinder track. If Whites didn’t have better things to do, they could no doubt hold their own against any chimp on Earth in running sprints–while half the boonies would drown trying to get from one end of the pool to the other.

    Then have ’em all take the SAT.

  88. @Ron Mexico
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, my uncle was CEO of the Australian Institute of Sport and I believe was in charge of all the testing protocols in Sydney '00. They caught CJ Hunter, but not his wife Marion Jones. All Olympic sprinters are sus. Every 4 years I wonder if certain test results are deliberately ignored, or the masking agents are always ahead of the testing. FloJo, Marita Koch, the more feminine looking sprinters are at least visually believable, however I can't believe Jarmila Kratochvilova was never busted. If she was clean Joe Biden received 81 million legit votes.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ScarletNumber

    They caught CJ Hunter, but not his wife Marion Jones.

    This was my favorite mismatched couple. They met when he was 23 and she was 16, and started dating when she was at North Carolina and he was a coach there.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @ScarletNumber

    Thanks, didn't know that.

  89. @Pat Hannagan
    Steve, I'm not sure I'm gonna make it out of this one, mate.

    Been suppressed for a month at least with no way out, NSW Police choppers overhead, our own army going door to do door making sure you haven't gone outside to pick up the newspaper.

    Yet, I'm in a good zone.

    I fear we will all suicide before September brings Spring and political reconsideration in her raiment.

    My own poor parents I spoke tonight over the cellular, the last connection we have with each other, remonstrating how the Melbourne Storm are always offside, get away with forward passes and how our mighty Penrith must go looking for care and absolution much like we do.

    I've even turned to the wireless transmissions of the radio but all they are infused with is Olympic medals which no one gives a shit about, and so called hero stories from sheltered faggots who everyone hates. 15 minute medal tallies as another Year 12 student attempts suicide or calls the Youth Helpline Hotline.

    The one thing that has kept my family together this whole time, and will be like a candle in a window in a light in a window on a hill...how much it means to us that Boomers don't get to die from Covid.

    If we could destroy further future decades more than we already have and ensure we're a permanently set low caste impoverished bunch of garbage dump refuse it will be worth it just so you don't get the sneezes for a week, mate.

    For you:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8bTdBs-cw

    (I just hope my liver can make it through to play the bagpipes at your 99th year funeral)

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan, @Bill Jones, @Bill Jones

    Jesus Christ, Sailer is about to proclaim a victory who would 100% repudiate him.

    The guy’s name is Browning = 100% anglo

    He’s wearing the free flowing hair of our nation, yet he repudiates people who aren’t as stupid Sailer is, he basically rejects Sailer and everything Sailer stands for yet Sailer will see him out on account of his skin colour and surname.

    It’s pretty clear that the people Steve Sailer celebrates also equally celebrate the loss of people like him.

    How do we get about that?

    I think the right people I know dig in and the rest scrabble to take sides

  90. @sb
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    The (white ) Australian guy you refer to is very middle class by pedigree and was in the top 1% academically on school results ( and he's not Asian ! ) Speaks French and all that and is a law student at a top university
    Really needs some ink and gold chains if he wants to fit in the sprinter's club

    Replies: @Adept

    is a law student at a top university

    What a dreadful waste of human capital.

    • Agree: sb
  91. @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer



    Test them. Test all of them.
     
    They are tested.

     

    By 23andMe?

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    PCR tested. No steriods to be found but they all have covid. Money machine go brrrr.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Mike Tre

    Athletes are well aware that you can get off the drugs for a while in order to avoid getting caught while also holding onto some of their fitness gains. Look up steroid "cycling" that body builders and strongmen athletes have to master. The idea is to strategize drug use so you "peak" around the time you have a contest. But those guys aren't tested. Tested athletes have to maximize cycle gains while also not overdoing the drugs to the point that you get busted.

    Also, I'm very curious about how tests are carried out. Are athletes told a particular date? If so, it would be easy to know that you just come off the drugs before the test

  92. @JohnnyWalker123
    Michael Phelps banged a tranny.

    https://blacksportsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Taylor-Chandler-Phelps.jpg

    https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/217621/michael-phelps-girlfriend-reveals-that-she-was-born-a-man-whoops#story-comments

    (Source) Before he checked into rehab in September, Michael Phelps was having a steamy affair with much older blonde, Taylor Lianne Chandler. But the most shocking aspect of their relationship wasn’t the 12-year age difference. RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal that Chandler, 41, was actually born a man! Chandler, born David Roy Fitch, tells Radar in an exclusive interview that she was an intersex baby.

     

    The sex was described as "amazing."

    Phelps should be given a Gold Medal for excelling in this "endurance event."

    Chandler says the couple met on Tinder in August, and later met up at ladies man Phelps’ Baltimore home to watch the Ravens football game on September 21. “One thing led to the next, and we made love during halftime,” she says. “Later, we had sex again. The intimacy with him was amazing! It was the first time in my life that someone has made me feel like a true woman.” After party boy Phelps was arrested for drunk driving and entered treatment in October, Chandler says she spilled all about her complicated past in an email. Phelps has yet to respond.

     

    You haven't truly lived until you've banged a tranny.

    TLDR Summary: Michael Phelps had "amazing" sex with a tranny.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @HFR, @Stan Adams, @Mike Tre

    That’s not Phelps in your photos.

  93. @utu
    Three black sprinters finish behind white one in 4 x 400 mix

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p3QhgJbij4

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    Every serious follower of track and field knows that the nexus of speed, strength, and endurance for runners is the 400 meter run-you could say that about the 800 m event as well.

    The White sprinter Jeremy Wariner dominated the 400 m not long ago winning the individual gold at the 2004 Olympics, and gold as a relay member for the 4 x 400. He won silver in 2008 and was on the gold relay team again. In the World Championships, he won 5 gold (2 individual, 3 relay) and one silver individual medal. In the IAAF Championship series in 2006, he won $250k and was undefeated in the 400m.

    He dominated the kniggbos.

    I remember a magazine article about him. It mentioned that Wariner, the only White sprinter on his college team, was subjected to “pranks” by the nigro “teammates” who called him “White Boy”. The cucked article took pains that the towel snapping ambushes in the shower and the racial slurs were “joking” and “good natured”.

    That’s a relief. Nothing says “good natured” like racial slurs.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @AceDeuce

    You’d probably see more American whites in the 200, 400, and hurdles if the doofus coaches (most of whom are white themselves) didn’t steer them away from it. At any diverse high school the white runners will be pigeonholed into distance races only. I was a pretty good 800 and mile runner who had 200 meter interval times for practice that were on par with the race times of the black girls who actually did the event. I subbed in the 4 x 400 at our county meet when one of the black girls got sick, and ended up with the second fastest relay leg despite not really training for it. The coaches didn’t bother to tell me of course, my parents did.

    I think the problem is even worse now than it was 15 years ago, too. Hardly any white kids go out for track and the 800 is also becoming a borderline “black” event. Meanwhile a lot of the white teenagers on the local soccer/lacrosse fields look pretty fast.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  94. Thanks for the introduction to

    Austronesian Amis

    .

    Never heard of them and the last thing I need at this point in life is a whole new race? of people to get up to speed on. but thanks anyway.

    I found this an interesting start;

    https://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+process+of+kinship+in+the+paternal%2Ffraternal+house+of+the…-a0298171792

    Ah, those fraternity Bro’s that’s where all the jocks live.

  95. @Colin Wright
    Wouldn't it be great if a white man won the hundred?

    I'd say the list of celebrants would definitely separate the sheep from the goats -- so to speak.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Bill Jones

    It would be a perfect reverse of the OJ Simpson verdict.
    (except for all the Wokel Whites).

  96. @Batman
    @AceDeuce

    I think the punch line is it should be obvious that racial differences exist just from observation (skin color, hair texture, etc.). But, if you need more evidence, you can look to West African dominance in fast-twitch athletics like sprinting, basketball, or football. Or you can look at other Africans' dominance of slow-twitch athletics like distance running.

    If you can accept that there are racial differences in athletic peak performance, you can accept the intuition that every child who has ever had to participate in gym class learns (the black kid gets picked first because he's the best athlete in the class).

    And if you can accept that blacks are on average more athletic than everyone else, you can accept that blacks on average are dumber, more aggressive, and more prone to criminality than everyone else.

    But that's something you can't say out loud. The central thesis of Black Lives Matter is that it's unbearable for blacks to have to live alongside whites. Anyone who has ever had their bike stolen knows not only that it's not true but also that the opposite is true.

    Replies: @megabar

    > The central thesis of Black Lives Matter is that it’s unbearable for blacks to have to live alongside whites. Anyone who has ever had their bike stolen knows not only that it’s not true but also that the opposite is true.

    In fact, both can be true. The reasons may be different, but that doesn’t make it less true.

  97. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Buffalo Joe


    discus thrower Valerie Allman. Exceptional beauty.
     
    Jeez, Joe—cruel sarcasm isn’t your usual style. 😐

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1345757863717851137/5pjVuRFg.jpg
    https://www.runnerspace.com/members/images/67894/691870_full.jpg

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Buffalo Joe

    You’ll soon get used to her looks,” said he,
    “And a very nice girl you’ll find her!
    She may very well pass for forty-three
    In the dusk, with a light behind her!”
    –G & S, Trial by Jury

  98. @Thomm
    @Hodag

    The question becomes, which athlete is the greatest high-performing outlier, across all sport?

    It is hard to measure across sports, but standard deviations above the mean of other top-tier rivals, etc. are metrics that can be used.

    And we have to consider all major sports, not just US-centric sports. There may also have to be a need to adjust by era, since in the early days, there might have been a lot fewer competitors, enabling the existence of an outlier that could not exist today.

    Who is the greatest high-performing outlier of all time, across all sports? Now THAT is a question worthy of some articles.

    Replies: @Carimbo

    >The question becomes, which athlete is the greatest high-performing outlier, across all sport?

    Australian cricketer Don Bradman. Lifetime international batting average 99.94. 2nd is Adam Voges with 61.87.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Carimbo

    Sounds likely.

    Replies: @Thomm

  99. Could never understand that fascination with running. Just look at leopard, cheetah …. Meh

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Could never understand that fascination with running. Just look at leopard, cheetah …. Meh
     
    https://www.yiddishwit.com/pics/dancer.png
  100. (1) I am so old that I remember the major Sports Illustrated article analyzing the reason for black sprinting dominance. It fearlessly concluded that black sprinters were the fastest not because of any race-related genetic endowment, but rather, because they train harder. (2) As for the most extreme outlier in all of athletics, it was Secretariat. (3) As for PEDs derailing the prurient appeal of the female olympians, there’s still the cute little towel gal in the swimming pre-race area, and the other such endearingly fringed, modest, untatted, petite, feminine, assistants.

  101. @prosa123
    @Iberian

    With all respect, you, like most Americans, are lost about “races”..
    Vicaut is very obsviouly “mulato” since he has a Caucasian father, and a Negroid mother.
    Lamont has a “mulato” father, what you call “Black/Afro-american” and Caucasian mother…probably, he is not more than 20% Negroid.

    I haven't been able to find any photos of Jacobs' father, but keep in mind that most people who identify as black in the United States indeed are mostly black by ancestry, if I recall correctly about 80% on average. There are exceptions, of course, but they're by no means common. In the absence of evidence to the contrary it is reasonable to assume that Jacobs is substantially more than 20% black by ancestry.

    An interesting thing about Jacobs is that his English, while understandable, is not particularly good.

    Replies: @Iberian

    Understand your point.
    But, he certainnly get much less than 50% Black genes.
    And he “pass” very well in Egipt, were most people is 80% Caucasian, 20% Negroid…

  102. @Bardon Kaldian
    @James Speaks

    Of course that races exist & some are better or worse in some areas.

    Blacks score, undeniably, lower at IQ tests.

    But- this is not the same level or reality as is the sprinting. With sprinting, it is either - or, one can see it with his own eyes. There are, actually, not additional variables, not some real complexities. It is so evident that even blind could see it.

    With IQ, it is too abstract & prone to criticism.

    Small slices of life like running are not the same, simple level of reality as, say, creative and intellectual achievement, and blacks' inferiority in these areas, while too evident, various charlatans may try to explain away with CRT & similar fictions. But- no one of the sane mind would believe such a rubbish, nowhere in the world.

    It essentially doesn't matter which part is nature, and which nurture or something else. I don't care about IQ, but, if in more than 150 years of freedom & over 50 years of governmental cuddling a very clearly delineated racial/ethnic group- and a numerous one at that - has been behaving more or less the same way all the time, it is evident they are such a group that nothing significantly different cannot be expected from them.

    Empirical test is life. Blacks, nowhere in the world, have achieved anything beyond entertainment. They cannot function in a modern society, any more than Gypsies, pure Indians, Abos or Eskimos. That ship has long sailed.

    Replies: @James Speaks

    The empirical test is valid. You offer a definition of a group based on decades of settled behavior (i.e. not transient due to external circumstances), whereas I posited DNA differences. Cause and effect, both valid arguments.

    Wokester theoreticians try to deny the cause by saying race does not exist and besides, the melaninly enhanced do poorly on IQ tests due to CRT, or something, whereas wokester empiricists say the differences in wealth are due to CRT and the differences in arrest rates are due to CRT, and if you try to bring up murder rates, they respond with … wait for it … CRT and turn over the keys to your house, then report to room 101.

  103. @Pat Hannagan
    Steve, I'm not sure I'm gonna make it out of this one, mate.

    Been suppressed for a month at least with no way out, NSW Police choppers overhead, our own army going door to do door making sure you haven't gone outside to pick up the newspaper.

    Yet, I'm in a good zone.

    I fear we will all suicide before September brings Spring and political reconsideration in her raiment.

    My own poor parents I spoke tonight over the cellular, the last connection we have with each other, remonstrating how the Melbourne Storm are always offside, get away with forward passes and how our mighty Penrith must go looking for care and absolution much like we do.

    I've even turned to the wireless transmissions of the radio but all they are infused with is Olympic medals which no one gives a shit about, and so called hero stories from sheltered faggots who everyone hates. 15 minute medal tallies as another Year 12 student attempts suicide or calls the Youth Helpline Hotline.

    The one thing that has kept my family together this whole time, and will be like a candle in a window in a light in a window on a hill...how much it means to us that Boomers don't get to die from Covid.

    If we could destroy further future decades more than we already have and ensure we're a permanently set low caste impoverished bunch of garbage dump refuse it will be worth it just so you don't get the sneezes for a week, mate.

    For you:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8bTdBs-cw

    (I just hope my liver can make it through to play the bagpipes at your 99th year funeral)

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan, @Bill Jones, @Bill Jones

    Your not going to get any sympathy about the Lizards of OZ from a paid up Branch Covidian like Steve.

    I’ve been following the Oz thing in a casual sort of way and have been amazed at the dichotomy between the behavior and the widely promoted image of Aussies; proudly independent with rippling biceps, full chest tattoo’s, luxuriant mustache’s etc (and that’s just the sheila’s).

    What happened?

  104. @PiltdownMan
    @Buffalo Joe


    Don’t care who is fast or half fast but I saw a photo of USA’s premier discus thrower Valerie Allman. Exceptional beauty.
     
    Her counterpart in the women's shot put, Raven Saunders, is quite striking, too.


    https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2021/07/640/320/Raven-Saunders.jpg?ve=1&tl=1


    On a more serious note, PiltdownWoman and I were just talking about this—she follows track and field quite closely. She mentioned that the European women in the high jump, pole vault, and long jump are often blessed with very good looks, and that two Ukrainians, who are the favorites in the women's high jump event, Maruchikh and Levchenko, are the ones to look out for.

    Replies: @Anon, @Buffalo Joe

    Pilt, WNY has spawned some wonderful women pole vaulters, Jenn Suhr for one. It is the coaching. Ms.Saunders doesn’t need to worry about anyone touching her hairs.

    • LOL: PiltdownMan
  105. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Buffalo Joe


    discus thrower Valerie Allman. Exceptional beauty.
     
    Jeez, Joe—cruel sarcasm isn’t your usual style. 😐

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1345757863717851137/5pjVuRFg.jpg
    https://www.runnerspace.com/members/images/67894/691870_full.jpg

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Buffalo Joe

    Jenner, I saw her on live TV. She is a very attractive woman.

  106. @Anon
    @Buffalo Joe

    Already 26 years old and not married, in a "masters program in Communications at Stanford": The triple threat: Masters degrees are worthless. Literally they make you worth less in lifetime earnings, the only degree for which that is true for all levels of IQ, according to Bryan Caplan's The Case against Education. "Communications" is a bullshit woke discipline. If you are not in education and you want a bullshit masters degree, they created "communications." And Stanford: They've been cranking out woke zombies for years. Their physics department has sponsored Ph.D. candidates who don't know anything about physics, but who do dissertations about physics education for underrepresented minorities. Most colleges issue such degrees in the education department.

    Another problem is she looks like she's in her 30s already, perhaps a byproduct of being an outdoor athlete with sun exposure. She reads "fertility turning south, expect stillbirths and Downs syndrome," even if that's really a few years off for her.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    SevenFourZero, thanks, I forgot there was an age limit on how old you could be before you married. Three daughters married past 30, three daughters with wonderful, healthy, smart kids. No “one size fits all.’ Oh, and my wife had our two daughters when she was 42 and 44. Both very successful women. Take care.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Buffalo Joe

    I'll take your word for it that you know all the details of your daughters' mating and reproduction, and you are not suffering from Lake Woebegone effect.

    Another problem with later marriages is that they are what Charles Murray calls merger marriages, or worse, merger/acquisition marriages. This is opposed to start-up marriages. Early to mid twenties marriages result in the couple creating their world together with a strong sense of co-ownership. Later marriages are two people who have made their nuts trying to protect their nuts, and if their nuts are not the same size, there is a power imbalance. You can make it work, as Murray himself has, but it's too bad that today's culture has such a negative opinion of start-up marriages. After all, that's when everyone around is unmarried and available, and there is no sense of settling for leftovers.

  107. Anon[153] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    @Anon

    SevenFourZero, thanks, I forgot there was an age limit on how old you could be before you married. Three daughters married past 30, three daughters with wonderful, healthy, smart kids. No "one size fits all.' Oh, and my wife had our two daughters when she was 42 and 44. Both very successful women. Take care.

    Replies: @Anon

    I’ll take your word for it that you know all the details of your daughters’ mating and reproduction, and you are not suffering from Lake Woebegone effect.

    Another problem with later marriages is that they are what Charles Murray calls merger marriages, or worse, merger/acquisition marriages. This is opposed to start-up marriages. Early to mid twenties marriages result in the couple creating their world together with a strong sense of co-ownership. Later marriages are two people who have made their nuts trying to protect their nuts, and if their nuts are not the same size, there is a power imbalance. You can make it work, as Murray himself has, but it’s too bad that today’s culture has such a negative opinion of start-up marriages. After all, that’s when everyone around is unmarried and available, and there is no sense of settling for leftovers.

  108. @Ralph L
    @obwandiyag

    It shows murders YTD up 37% from 2019. Not a good trend, but a better total than 20 years ago, when it was still dropping.

    That doesn’t look like Michael Phelps.

    It isn't him. I suspect this is a still for a porno.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    It’s hard to do the average robbery and assault when there’s no potential victim out on the street.

    Those who do venture out are, however. more likely to be attacked. Thus you get a crime wave with lower crime numbers.

    Hardly rocket science.

  109. @ScarletNumber
    @Ron Mexico


    They caught CJ Hunter, but not his wife Marion Jones.
     
    This was my favorite mismatched couple. They met when he was 23 and she was 16, and started dating when she was at North Carolina and he was a coach there.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    Thanks, didn’t know that.

  110. @AceDeuce
    @utu

    Every serious follower of track and field knows that the nexus of speed, strength, and endurance for runners is the 400 meter run-you could say that about the 800 m event as well.

    The White sprinter Jeremy Wariner dominated the 400 m not long ago winning the individual gold at the 2004 Olympics, and gold as a relay member for the 4 x 400. He won silver in 2008 and was on the gold relay team again. In the World Championships, he won 5 gold (2 individual, 3 relay) and one silver individual medal. In the IAAF Championship series in 2006, he won $250k and was undefeated in the 400m.

    He dominated the kniggbos.

    I remember a magazine article about him. It mentioned that Wariner, the only White sprinter on his college team, was subjected to "pranks" by the nigro "teammates" who called him "White Boy". The cucked article took pains that the towel snapping ambushes in the shower and the racial slurs were "joking" and "good natured".

    That's a relief. Nothing says "good natured" like racial slurs.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    You’d probably see more American whites in the 200, 400, and hurdles if the doofus coaches (most of whom are white themselves) didn’t steer them away from it. At any diverse high school the white runners will be pigeonholed into distance races only. I was a pretty good 800 and mile runner who had 200 meter interval times for practice that were on par with the race times of the black girls who actually did the event. I subbed in the 4 x 400 at our county meet when one of the black girls got sick, and ended up with the second fastest relay leg despite not really training for it. The coaches didn’t bother to tell me of course, my parents did.

    I think the problem is even worse now than it was 15 years ago, too. Hardly any white kids go out for track and the 800 is also becoming a borderline “black” event. Meanwhile a lot of the white teenagers on the local soccer/lacrosse fields look pretty fast.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @S. Anonyia

    The Dodgers just traded for a white shortstop named Trea Turner who is the fastest regular in major league baseball.

  111. @Pat Hannagan
    Steve, I'm not sure I'm gonna make it out of this one, mate.

    Been suppressed for a month at least with no way out, NSW Police choppers overhead, our own army going door to do door making sure you haven't gone outside to pick up the newspaper.

    Yet, I'm in a good zone.

    I fear we will all suicide before September brings Spring and political reconsideration in her raiment.

    My own poor parents I spoke tonight over the cellular, the last connection we have with each other, remonstrating how the Melbourne Storm are always offside, get away with forward passes and how our mighty Penrith must go looking for care and absolution much like we do.

    I've even turned to the wireless transmissions of the radio but all they are infused with is Olympic medals which no one gives a shit about, and so called hero stories from sheltered faggots who everyone hates. 15 minute medal tallies as another Year 12 student attempts suicide or calls the Youth Helpline Hotline.

    The one thing that has kept my family together this whole time, and will be like a candle in a window in a light in a window on a hill...how much it means to us that Boomers don't get to die from Covid.

    If we could destroy further future decades more than we already have and ensure we're a permanently set low caste impoverished bunch of garbage dump refuse it will be worth it just so you don't get the sneezes for a week, mate.

    For you:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8bTdBs-cw

    (I just hope my liver can make it through to play the bagpipes at your 99th year funeral)

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan, @Bill Jones, @Bill Jones

    Just stumbled across this. Are people really sitting still for this?

    One 80 year old dies and you’re back to penal colony status?

    (But for real this time)

    http://www.yourdestinationnow.com/2021/08/australia-will-use-military-to-enforce.html

  112. @Pericles
    @Feryl


    An additional idea is banning all athletes from that country from international completion for 5 years.

     

    The 'international sports community' has been doing something like that with Russia for a while. As you may have noted in this Olympics, there is no Russia among the competing nations.

    Replies: @Feryl

    HiIt’s dumb pandering to Western chauvinists who think that we live in the world of Rocky 4 where the Western “good guys” do things on the level while dirty commies don’t.

    Lord only knows what was being swept under the rug prior to Marion Jones/Balco et Al organizing such widespread brazen private sector doping in America that American authorities cracked down before greater embarrassment was inflicted.

    BTW, the treatmennt of Russia is yet more proof that they aren’t a major power. America and China are. America and China aren’t going to be belittled like Russia by the IOC anytime soon. And we all know that China was using 8 or 9 year old girls for Gymnastics back when they held the Olympics.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Feryl

    You make great points about the bullying IOC. " And we all know that China was using 8 or 9 year old girls for Gymnastics back when they held the Olympics."
    My wife got my attention last night while watching gymnastics. 2 Chinese "women" were listed as 21 yo. They both looked 12. I don't buy any Chinese bullshit.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  113. @Mike Tre
    @Reg Cæsar

    PCR tested. No steriods to be found but they all have covid. Money machine go brrrr.

    Replies: @Feryl

    Athletes are well aware that you can get off the drugs for a while in order to avoid getting caught while also holding onto some of their fitness gains. Look up steroid “cycling” that body builders and strongmen athletes have to master. The idea is to strategize drug use so you “peak” around the time you have a contest. But those guys aren’t tested. Tested athletes have to maximize cycle gains while also not overdoing the drugs to the point that you get busted.

    Also, I’m very curious about how tests are carried out. Are athletes told a particular date? If so, it would be easy to know that you just come off the drugs before the test

  114. I dont think Jacobs is half black.

    His father probably was around 70% black – quite normal african american mixture and his mother full white. That makes him 2/3 white.

  115. @UNIT472
    West Africans are fast sprinters. Why? Well its a truism of biology that nature does not 'waste' genetic resources for things that are not necessary. A Grizzly Bear might have found horns useful and a rabbit fangs and venom glands helpful against a fox but nature realized being very large and powerful was sufficient for a Grizzly to subdue what it needed to subdue and a rabbits speed and agility enough for it to escape predators... enough of the time for it reproduce.

    So why are West Africans so fleet of foot? It wasn't to escape slavers as useful as that might have been. Slavery goes back a long way but probably not long enough to have allowed for evolution to do its thing. There is a old joke that says it is not necessary to be the fastest person if a bear is chasing after several people. It is only necessary to not be the slowest. There is also the empirical example of prehistoric cave excavations where human remains were found with the bones having been gnawed on by big cats. Above them were the remains of big cats that had been killed and cooked by early humans.

    Things change as animals evolve. I suspect the old joke is true. West Africans once lived in a world where leopards, lions and hyenas were deadly opponents. Being fast was a life saver. Didn't have to be the fastest just not the slowest. Now up in Europe wolves and bears were the major carnivore species. Not big cats. Wolves hunt in packs and use cunning more than speed to capture prey. Bears use scent to track their prey. The survival trick here was for early men to not run but fight as a group against predators.

    Replies: @Wei, @Anonymous Jew

    Um…no. Blacks were insulated from the Ice Age and thus retained the proportions ideal for human activities like running. Particularly longer limbs and a higher center of gravity. In addition, compared to Eurasians, West Africans also have a higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fibers (sprinting) while East Africans are small and svelte with a high percentage of slow twitch fibers (distance running).

    On the other hand, if there was an Olympic that involved running down big game over a cold tundra Eurasians would excel, because our loss in running efficiency would be more than compensated for by our increased resilience to frostbite and high spatial intelligence.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous Jew

    That would be a fine Olympic event: genetically revivify woolly mammoths and have national teams armed with atlatl spear throwers but nothing else hunt them down. I'd watch.

  116. @Anonymous Jew
    @UNIT472

    Um…no. Blacks were insulated from the Ice Age and thus retained the proportions ideal for human activities like running. Particularly longer limbs and a higher center of gravity. In addition, compared to Eurasians, West Africans also have a higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fibers (sprinting) while East Africans are small and svelte with a high percentage of slow twitch fibers (distance running).

    On the other hand, if there was an Olympic that involved running down big game over a cold tundra Eurasians would excel, because our loss in running efficiency would be more than compensated for by our increased resilience to frostbite and high spatial intelligence.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    That would be a fine Olympic event: genetically revivify woolly mammoths and have national teams armed with atlatl spear throwers but nothing else hunt them down. I’d watch.

  117. @S. Anonyia
    @AceDeuce

    You’d probably see more American whites in the 200, 400, and hurdles if the doofus coaches (most of whom are white themselves) didn’t steer them away from it. At any diverse high school the white runners will be pigeonholed into distance races only. I was a pretty good 800 and mile runner who had 200 meter interval times for practice that were on par with the race times of the black girls who actually did the event. I subbed in the 4 x 400 at our county meet when one of the black girls got sick, and ended up with the second fastest relay leg despite not really training for it. The coaches didn’t bother to tell me of course, my parents did.

    I think the problem is even worse now than it was 15 years ago, too. Hardly any white kids go out for track and the 800 is also becoming a borderline “black” event. Meanwhile a lot of the white teenagers on the local soccer/lacrosse fields look pretty fast.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The Dodgers just traded for a white shortstop named Trea Turner who is the fastest regular in major league baseball.

  118. @Carimbo
    @Thomm

    >The question becomes, which athlete is the greatest high-performing outlier, across all sport?

    Australian cricketer Don Bradman. Lifetime international batting average 99.94. 2nd is Adam Voges with 61.87.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Sounds likely.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @Steve Sailer

    I've heard that name before. Obviously, I don't know much about that sport - most Americans know virtually zero about it.

    From his Wikipedia :
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Bradman


    Wisden hailed Bradman as, "the greatest phenomenon in the history of cricket, indeed in the history of all ball games". Statistician Charles Davis analyzed the statistics for several prominent sportsmen by comparing the number of standard deviations that they stand above the mean for their sport. The top performers in his selected sports are:

    Athlete Sport Statistic Standard Deviations
    Bradman Cricket Batting average 4.4
    Pelé Association football Goals per game 3.7
    Ty Cobb Baseball Batting average 3.6
    Jack Nicklaus Golf Major titles 3.5
    Michael Jordan Basketball Points per game 3.4

    The statistics show that "no other athlete dominates an international sport to the extent that Bradman does cricket".In order to post a similarly dominant career statistic as Bradman, a baseball batter would need a career batting average of .392, while a basketball player would need to score an average of 43.0 points per game over their career. The respective records are .366 and 30.1.

    When Bradman died, Time allocated a space in its "Milestones" column for an obituary:

    ...Australian icon considered by many to be the pre-eminent sportsman of all time...One of Australia's most beloved heroes, he was revered abroad as well. When Nelson Mandela was released after 27 years in prison, his first question to an Australian visitor was, "Is Sir Donald Bradman still alive?"
     

    OK, that sounds somewhat convincing.

    But it appears that Mr. Bradman only played in the 1930s and 40s. Was his sport mature enough at the time for his stats to have full merit? Or was that a time of few opponents and infrequent contests? An outlier in the early days of any sport is not the same thing as an outlier who has faced a much larger number of opponents in modern times. Ty Cobb gets filtered out under the same criterion.

    Perhaps this is an article idea for Steve.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Carimbo

  119. @Steve Sailer
    @Carimbo

    Sounds likely.

    Replies: @Thomm

    I’ve heard that name before. Obviously, I don’t know much about that sport – most Americans know virtually zero about it.

    From his Wikipedia :
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Bradman

    Wisden hailed Bradman as, “the greatest phenomenon in the history of cricket, indeed in the history of all ball games”. Statistician Charles Davis analyzed the statistics for several prominent sportsmen by comparing the number of standard deviations that they stand above the mean for their sport. The top performers in his selected sports are:

    Athlete Sport Statistic Standard Deviations
    Bradman Cricket Batting average 4.4
    Pelé Association football Goals per game 3.7
    Ty Cobb Baseball Batting average 3.6
    Jack Nicklaus Golf Major titles 3.5
    Michael Jordan Basketball Points per game 3.4

    The statistics show that “no other athlete dominates an international sport to the extent that Bradman does cricket”.In order to post a similarly dominant career statistic as Bradman, a baseball batter would need a career batting average of .392, while a basketball player would need to score an average of 43.0 points per game over their career. The respective records are .366 and 30.1.

    When Bradman died, Time allocated a space in its “Milestones” column for an obituary:

    …Australian icon considered by many to be the pre-eminent sportsman of all time…One of Australia’s most beloved heroes, he was revered abroad as well. When Nelson Mandela was released after 27 years in prison, his first question to an Australian visitor was, “Is Sir Donald Bradman still alive?”

    OK, that sounds somewhat convincing.

    But it appears that Mr. Bradman only played in the 1930s and 40s. Was his sport mature enough at the time for his stats to have full merit? Or was that a time of few opponents and infrequent contests? An outlier in the early days of any sport is not the same thing as an outlier who has faced a much larger number of opponents in modern times. Ty Cobb gets filtered out under the same criterion.

    Perhaps this is an article idea for Steve.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Thomm

    Thanks.

    I have too much trouble grasping cricket terminology to dare write about it.

    My impression from reading the wikipedia article about Don Bradman is that his career was rather similar to that of Ted Williams, who was about a decade younger. Bradman lost even more time to war than Williams did, and both had to deal with defensive strategies invented against them, the shift for Williams and the nastier bodyline strategy of throwing at him for Bradman. Both tended to be figures of controversy in the press in their primes. Williams' batting performance was rather immune to public criticism swirling around him, but Bradman suffered a lot from attacks and had some perhaps psychosomatic illnesses due to stress. Both ascended to colossal esteem in later years and only became more of a legend after they retired.

    Replies: @Thomm, @Carimbo

    , @Carimbo
    @Thomm

    Absolutely, this was a mature sport with valid stats. Bradman played most of his international matches against England over 20 years in the 30s, 40s and 50s. England and Australia were the dominant teams in cricket at that time. Cricket was probably the #1 sport in Australia and the #2 sport in England with fearsome fast bowlers literally trying to hit him with a hard bowl bowled at over 90mph. Nowadays it is big in many more countries, notably India where it is the most popular sport.

    Bradman's average in Australian domestic cricket was also above 90. He maintained his astonishing performance for 20 years, playing the best available opposition so it was in no way a brief fluke. I don't know of any other sport where one man was 50% better than anyone else.

  120. @Thomm
    @Steve Sailer

    I've heard that name before. Obviously, I don't know much about that sport - most Americans know virtually zero about it.

    From his Wikipedia :
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Bradman


    Wisden hailed Bradman as, "the greatest phenomenon in the history of cricket, indeed in the history of all ball games". Statistician Charles Davis analyzed the statistics for several prominent sportsmen by comparing the number of standard deviations that they stand above the mean for their sport. The top performers in his selected sports are:

    Athlete Sport Statistic Standard Deviations
    Bradman Cricket Batting average 4.4
    Pelé Association football Goals per game 3.7
    Ty Cobb Baseball Batting average 3.6
    Jack Nicklaus Golf Major titles 3.5
    Michael Jordan Basketball Points per game 3.4

    The statistics show that "no other athlete dominates an international sport to the extent that Bradman does cricket".In order to post a similarly dominant career statistic as Bradman, a baseball batter would need a career batting average of .392, while a basketball player would need to score an average of 43.0 points per game over their career. The respective records are .366 and 30.1.

    When Bradman died, Time allocated a space in its "Milestones" column for an obituary:

    ...Australian icon considered by many to be the pre-eminent sportsman of all time...One of Australia's most beloved heroes, he was revered abroad as well. When Nelson Mandela was released after 27 years in prison, his first question to an Australian visitor was, "Is Sir Donald Bradman still alive?"
     

    OK, that sounds somewhat convincing.

    But it appears that Mr. Bradman only played in the 1930s and 40s. Was his sport mature enough at the time for his stats to have full merit? Or was that a time of few opponents and infrequent contests? An outlier in the early days of any sport is not the same thing as an outlier who has faced a much larger number of opponents in modern times. Ty Cobb gets filtered out under the same criterion.

    Perhaps this is an article idea for Steve.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Carimbo

    Thanks.

    I have too much trouble grasping cricket terminology to dare write about it.

    My impression from reading the wikipedia article about Don Bradman is that his career was rather similar to that of Ted Williams, who was about a decade younger. Bradman lost even more time to war than Williams did, and both had to deal with defensive strategies invented against them, the shift for Williams and the nastier bodyline strategy of throwing at him for Bradman. Both tended to be figures of controversy in the press in their primes. Williams’ batting performance was rather immune to public criticism swirling around him, but Bradman suffered a lot from attacks and had some perhaps psychosomatic illnesses due to stress. Both ascended to colossal esteem in later years and only became more of a legend after they retired.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @Steve Sailer

    Oh, one may not have to know much about the sport to comment on the comparison of standard deviations. The comparison was made, even though there are probably few human beings who know a lot about both cricket and baseball.

    From Wikipedia, they say that Bradman was 4.4 standard deviations above his peers, while Pele, Cobb, Niklaus, and Jordan were all 3.7 to 3.4 standard deviations above.

    That is why this quote stood out :


    In order to post a similarly dominant career statistic as Bradman, a baseball batter would need a career batting average of .392, while a basketball player would need to score an average of 43.0 points per game over their career. The respective records are .366 and 30.1.
     
    That is probably the best standardization of comparative feats we can hope for.

    At the same time, perhaps someone knowledgeable about the sport can comment on whether the sport was sufficiently mature in Mr. Bradman's time. My earlier point was that outliers count for far less when a sport is in its formative stages, as there are too few opponents, and even fewer of those are professionals.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Carimbo
    @Steve Sailer

    The bodyline bowling where England bowlers were trying to hit Bradman caused arguments between Australian and British politicians. At that time, batsmen only had protection for their legs and hands. Bowlers aiming at a batsman head is entirely legal. Nowadays, all wear helmets, rather than the floppy caps favoured at the time. Batsman have died from being hit, notably Philip Hughes who was hit in the neck in 2014. Bradman thus also showed tremendous courage.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  121. @Steve Sailer
    @Thomm

    Thanks.

    I have too much trouble grasping cricket terminology to dare write about it.

    My impression from reading the wikipedia article about Don Bradman is that his career was rather similar to that of Ted Williams, who was about a decade younger. Bradman lost even more time to war than Williams did, and both had to deal with defensive strategies invented against them, the shift for Williams and the nastier bodyline strategy of throwing at him for Bradman. Both tended to be figures of controversy in the press in their primes. Williams' batting performance was rather immune to public criticism swirling around him, but Bradman suffered a lot from attacks and had some perhaps psychosomatic illnesses due to stress. Both ascended to colossal esteem in later years and only became more of a legend after they retired.

    Replies: @Thomm, @Carimbo

    Oh, one may not have to know much about the sport to comment on the comparison of standard deviations. The comparison was made, even though there are probably few human beings who know a lot about both cricket and baseball.

    From Wikipedia, they say that Bradman was 4.4 standard deviations above his peers, while Pele, Cobb, Niklaus, and Jordan were all 3.7 to 3.4 standard deviations above.

    That is why this quote stood out :

    In order to post a similarly dominant career statistic as Bradman, a baseball batter would need a career batting average of .392, while a basketball player would need to score an average of 43.0 points per game over their career. The respective records are .366 and 30.1.

    That is probably the best standardization of comparative feats we can hope for.

    At the same time, perhaps someone knowledgeable about the sport can comment on whether the sport was sufficiently mature in Mr. Bradman’s time. My earlier point was that outliers count for far less when a sport is in its formative stages, as there are too few opponents, and even fewer of those are professionals.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Thomm

    Bradman made his cricket reputation playing in international championships for Australia against the English national team, which was the top competition possible at the time.

    I'm a little vague on whether cricketeers were supposed to be amateurs or not at the time. From the Wikipedia article, it sounds like making a good living for his family was more stressful for Bradman than it was for Ruth, DiMaggio or Williams, who got paid the modern equivalent of very high six figures.

    Replies: @Alan D, @Thomm

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Thomm


    At the same time, perhaps someone knowledgeable about the sport can comment on whether the sport was sufficiently mature in Mr. Bradman’s time. My earlier point was that outliers count for far less when a sport is in its formative stages, as there are too few opponents, and even fewer of those are professionals.
     
    Frans Johansson, the thinking man's Gladwell, found that while the 10,000-hour rule was valid in mature activities such as tennis and classical music performance, it didn't apply to nascent fields where a star could rise to the top with little experience. His example was punk rock, but sports in their formative years would seem to be another case.

    Still, if you're going to toss out Cobb, Ruth would be another such candidate. There is also the related phenomenon that Ruth's teams, Boston in the 1910s and NY in the 1920s, were so dominant that he was spared facing the top competition, except in the showers afterward.
  122. @Thomm
    @Steve Sailer

    I've heard that name before. Obviously, I don't know much about that sport - most Americans know virtually zero about it.

    From his Wikipedia :
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Bradman


    Wisden hailed Bradman as, "the greatest phenomenon in the history of cricket, indeed in the history of all ball games". Statistician Charles Davis analyzed the statistics for several prominent sportsmen by comparing the number of standard deviations that they stand above the mean for their sport. The top performers in his selected sports are:

    Athlete Sport Statistic Standard Deviations
    Bradman Cricket Batting average 4.4
    Pelé Association football Goals per game 3.7
    Ty Cobb Baseball Batting average 3.6
    Jack Nicklaus Golf Major titles 3.5
    Michael Jordan Basketball Points per game 3.4

    The statistics show that "no other athlete dominates an international sport to the extent that Bradman does cricket".In order to post a similarly dominant career statistic as Bradman, a baseball batter would need a career batting average of .392, while a basketball player would need to score an average of 43.0 points per game over their career. The respective records are .366 and 30.1.

    When Bradman died, Time allocated a space in its "Milestones" column for an obituary:

    ...Australian icon considered by many to be the pre-eminent sportsman of all time...One of Australia's most beloved heroes, he was revered abroad as well. When Nelson Mandela was released after 27 years in prison, his first question to an Australian visitor was, "Is Sir Donald Bradman still alive?"
     

    OK, that sounds somewhat convincing.

    But it appears that Mr. Bradman only played in the 1930s and 40s. Was his sport mature enough at the time for his stats to have full merit? Or was that a time of few opponents and infrequent contests? An outlier in the early days of any sport is not the same thing as an outlier who has faced a much larger number of opponents in modern times. Ty Cobb gets filtered out under the same criterion.

    Perhaps this is an article idea for Steve.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Carimbo

    Absolutely, this was a mature sport with valid stats. Bradman played most of his international matches against England over 20 years in the 30s, 40s and 50s. England and Australia were the dominant teams in cricket at that time. Cricket was probably the #1 sport in Australia and the #2 sport in England with fearsome fast bowlers literally trying to hit him with a hard bowl bowled at over 90mph. Nowadays it is big in many more countries, notably India where it is the most popular sport.

    Bradman’s average in Australian domestic cricket was also above 90. He maintained his astonishing performance for 20 years, playing the best available opposition so it was in no way a brief fluke. I don’t know of any other sport where one man was 50% better than anyone else.

  123. @Steve Sailer
    @Thomm

    Thanks.

    I have too much trouble grasping cricket terminology to dare write about it.

    My impression from reading the wikipedia article about Don Bradman is that his career was rather similar to that of Ted Williams, who was about a decade younger. Bradman lost even more time to war than Williams did, and both had to deal with defensive strategies invented against them, the shift for Williams and the nastier bodyline strategy of throwing at him for Bradman. Both tended to be figures of controversy in the press in their primes. Williams' batting performance was rather immune to public criticism swirling around him, but Bradman suffered a lot from attacks and had some perhaps psychosomatic illnesses due to stress. Both ascended to colossal esteem in later years and only became more of a legend after they retired.

    Replies: @Thomm, @Carimbo

    The bodyline bowling where England bowlers were trying to hit Bradman caused arguments between Australian and British politicians. At that time, batsmen only had protection for their legs and hands. Bowlers aiming at a batsman head is entirely legal. Nowadays, all wear helmets, rather than the floppy caps favoured at the time. Batsman have died from being hit, notably Philip Hughes who was hit in the neck in 2014. Bradman thus also showed tremendous courage.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Carimbo


    Batsman have died from being hit, notably Philip Hughes who was hit in the neck in 2014. Bradman thus also showed tremendous courage.
     
    Wow. Baseball has to go all the way back to Ray Chapman, 101 years ago this month. At least in the majors.

    I had a behind-the-plate seat for the game that ended Kirby Puckett's career, but arrived an inning too late to see the actual pitch. And have never regretted it!


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_VXeME6YMoY
  124. @Feryl
    @Pericles

    HiIt's dumb pandering to Western chauvinists who think that we live in the world of Rocky 4 where the Western "good guys" do things on the level while dirty commies don't.

    Lord only knows what was being swept under the rug prior to Marion Jones/Balco et Al organizing such widespread brazen private sector doping in America that American authorities cracked down before greater embarrassment was inflicted.

    BTW, the treatmennt of Russia is yet more proof that they aren't a major power. America and China are. America and China aren't going to be belittled like Russia by the IOC anytime soon. And we all know that China was using 8 or 9 year old girls for Gymnastics back when they held the Olympics.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    You make great points about the bullying IOC. ” And we all know that China was using 8 or 9 year old girls for Gymnastics back when they held the Olympics.”
    My wife got my attention last night while watching gymnastics. 2 Chinese “women” were listed as 21 yo. They both looked 12. I don’t buy any Chinese bullshit.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Ron Mexico


    I don’t buy any Chinese 🐂💩
     
    Where do you shop, then?

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

  125. @Thomm
    @Steve Sailer

    Oh, one may not have to know much about the sport to comment on the comparison of standard deviations. The comparison was made, even though there are probably few human beings who know a lot about both cricket and baseball.

    From Wikipedia, they say that Bradman was 4.4 standard deviations above his peers, while Pele, Cobb, Niklaus, and Jordan were all 3.7 to 3.4 standard deviations above.

    That is why this quote stood out :


    In order to post a similarly dominant career statistic as Bradman, a baseball batter would need a career batting average of .392, while a basketball player would need to score an average of 43.0 points per game over their career. The respective records are .366 and 30.1.
     
    That is probably the best standardization of comparative feats we can hope for.

    At the same time, perhaps someone knowledgeable about the sport can comment on whether the sport was sufficiently mature in Mr. Bradman's time. My earlier point was that outliers count for far less when a sport is in its formative stages, as there are too few opponents, and even fewer of those are professionals.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

    Bradman made his cricket reputation playing in international championships for Australia against the English national team, which was the top competition possible at the time.

    I’m a little vague on whether cricketeers were supposed to be amateurs or not at the time. From the Wikipedia article, it sounds like making a good living for his family was more stressful for Bradman than it was for Ruth, DiMaggio or Williams, who got paid the modern equivalent of very high six figures.

    • Replies: @Alan D
    @Steve Sailer

    When Bradman was an international player from 1928 to 1948, Australian cricketers could not be paid explicitly for playing cricket. However, they could be employed by companies such as sporting equipment sellers, who would give them plenty of time off. They needed a lot of time off - interstate matches lasted four days, I think that international matches lasted five days, maybe more, and a tour of England lasted for months, plus weeks-long boat trips to and from England. I assume that any cricketer who could not get such a job would have found it difficult to get a decent income. The situation is different now - high-level cricketers have been well paid for some decades.

    Don Bradman is still famous and it is impossible to be Australian without knowing who he was. Cricket fans never discuss who is the best batsman of all time - it is simply Bradman.

    Replies: @Carimbo

    , @Thomm
    @Steve Sailer


    From the Wikipedia article, it sounds like making a good living for his family was more stressful for Bradman than it was for Ruth, DiMaggio or Williams, who got paid the modern equivalent of very high six figures.
     
    That is what I mean. Since few people were able to play professionally in Australia at the time, and Australia was probably much poorer than the US was in the time of Ruth or DiMaggio, Bradman faced a lot less competition in those days, and fewer opponents. If he played today, he would probably still be the best, but not by 4.4 standard deviations.

    But it is impossible to measure this for sure. Since there will never be a perfect metric, it appears that as the holder of the 4.4 standard deviation metric (with others in other sports maxing out in the 3.4 to 3.7 range), Bradman stands alone, even with the asterisk of his sport not being economically mature at the time so as to enable a large number of professional players.
  126. @Bardon Kaldian
    Could never understand that fascination with running. Just look at leopard, cheetah .... Meh

    Replies: @Truth

    Could never understand that fascination with running. Just look at leopard, cheetah …. Meh

  127. What Wilt Chamberlin did during his prime; I think he still owns over 130 NBA records, as well as Babe Ruth once hitting more home runs than all but 2 American League teams probably rival Mr. Bradman. Chamberlin lost it of, course in the playoffs, where he kept losing to Bill Russell.

    Another prospect for all-time outlier would have to be Sugar Ray Robinson who won 136 of his first 137 fights, losing only to Jake Lamotta (5x avenged) with a 16 lb. weight disadvantage. SRR is still almost universally considered the best boxer of all-time, 55 years after his retirement.

    https://www.dreamcricket.com/articles/dreamcricket-usa-news/when-babe-ruth-tried-his-hand-at-cricket/

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Truth


    What Wilt Chamberlin did during his prime; I think he still owns over 130 NBA records...
     
    And, if you take his word for it, other records as well...


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QOE8vrTaQPs


    Besides, how "mature" was the "Association" (not even a "league") in Wilt's day? His most-remembered feat took place in unincorporated Hershey, Pa. (1950 pop. 9,993, including "suburbs".) Well, at least it wasn't Utica, or Green Bay!

    Wilt’s NBA When He Scored 100 In A Game


    "Wilt’s NBA has nothing in common with today’s NBA except the initials NBA."


    A God Amongst Men and His Night of a Century

    "Chamberlain scored the first points of the game on a slam dunk, but most of the eventual crowd of 4,124 fans had not yet even arrived." (For comparison, the Athletics averaged 4,009 in their last season in Philadelphia, which is why they left for Kansas City.)


    https://hersheyarchives.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/1A016.6.jpg

    Replies: @Truth

    , @Carimbo
    @Truth

    Nice article about Babe Ruth trying cricket. The interesting line to me is "the reporters noted that he had edged so many balls that the edges had nearly disappeared", showing that the article misses the key point that the most common way to get out is edging the ball off your flat bat to fielders waiting behind. Ruth must have been doing that a lot.

    Ruth's experience is typical of top baseball players trying cricket. They are excellent at smashing the ball great distances. However, they get out far too easily. With some practice they could be great at the short form of the game, where each team of 11 faces just 120 balls between them. For longer versions of cricket, a more cautious approach is needed, hitting the ball along the ground so you can't get caught out, rather than in the air playing shots that are not so natural for a baseball player.

    I'm sure that an eye for hitting a ball translates quite well across all bat and ball games.

  128. @Ron Mexico
    @Feryl

    You make great points about the bullying IOC. " And we all know that China was using 8 or 9 year old girls for Gymnastics back when they held the Olympics."
    My wife got my attention last night while watching gymnastics. 2 Chinese "women" were listed as 21 yo. They both looked 12. I don't buy any Chinese bullshit.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I don’t buy any Chinese 🐂💩

    Where do you shop, then?

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Reg Cæsar

    I let my wife do all the shopping

    Replies: @JMcG, @Reg Cæsar

  129. @Thomm
    @Steve Sailer

    Oh, one may not have to know much about the sport to comment on the comparison of standard deviations. The comparison was made, even though there are probably few human beings who know a lot about both cricket and baseball.

    From Wikipedia, they say that Bradman was 4.4 standard deviations above his peers, while Pele, Cobb, Niklaus, and Jordan were all 3.7 to 3.4 standard deviations above.

    That is why this quote stood out :


    In order to post a similarly dominant career statistic as Bradman, a baseball batter would need a career batting average of .392, while a basketball player would need to score an average of 43.0 points per game over their career. The respective records are .366 and 30.1.
     
    That is probably the best standardization of comparative feats we can hope for.

    At the same time, perhaps someone knowledgeable about the sport can comment on whether the sport was sufficiently mature in Mr. Bradman's time. My earlier point was that outliers count for far less when a sport is in its formative stages, as there are too few opponents, and even fewer of those are professionals.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

    At the same time, perhaps someone knowledgeable about the sport can comment on whether the sport was sufficiently mature in Mr. Bradman’s time. My earlier point was that outliers count for far less when a sport is in its formative stages, as there are too few opponents, and even fewer of those are professionals.

    Frans Johansson, the thinking man’s Gladwell, found that while the 10,000-hour rule was valid in mature activities such as tennis and classical music performance, it didn’t apply to nascent fields where a star could rise to the top with little experience. His example was punk rock, but sports in their formative years would seem to be another case.

    Still, if you’re going to toss out Cobb, Ruth would be another such candidate. There is also the related phenomenon that Ruth’s teams, Boston in the 1910s and NY in the 1920s, were so dominant that he was spared facing the top competition, except in the showers afterward.

  130. @Carimbo
    @Steve Sailer

    The bodyline bowling where England bowlers were trying to hit Bradman caused arguments between Australian and British politicians. At that time, batsmen only had protection for their legs and hands. Bowlers aiming at a batsman head is entirely legal. Nowadays, all wear helmets, rather than the floppy caps favoured at the time. Batsman have died from being hit, notably Philip Hughes who was hit in the neck in 2014. Bradman thus also showed tremendous courage.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Batsman have died from being hit, notably Philip Hughes who was hit in the neck in 2014. Bradman thus also showed tremendous courage.

    Wow. Baseball has to go all the way back to Ray Chapman, 101 years ago this month. At least in the majors.

    I had a behind-the-plate seat for the game that ended Kirby Puckett’s career, but arrived an inning too late to see the actual pitch. And have never regretted it!

  131. @Truth
    What Wilt Chamberlin did during his prime; I think he still owns over 130 NBA records, as well as Babe Ruth once hitting more home runs than all but 2 American League teams probably rival Mr. Bradman. Chamberlin lost it of, course in the playoffs, where he kept losing to Bill Russell.

    Another prospect for all-time outlier would have to be Sugar Ray Robinson who won 136 of his first 137 fights, losing only to Jake Lamotta (5x avenged) with a 16 lb. weight disadvantage. SRR is still almost universally considered the best boxer of all-time, 55 years after his retirement.

    https://www.dreamcricket.com/articles/dreamcricket-usa-news/when-babe-ruth-tried-his-hand-at-cricket/

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Carimbo

    What Wilt Chamberlin did during his prime; I think he still owns over 130 NBA records…

    And, if you take his word for it, other records as well…

    Besides, how “mature” was the “Association” (not even a “league”) in Wilt’s day? His most-remembered feat took place in unincorporated Hershey, Pa. (1950 pop. 9,993, including “suburbs”.) Well, at least it wasn’t Utica, or Green Bay!

    Wilt’s NBA When He Scored 100 In A Game

    “Wilt’s NBA has nothing in common with today’s NBA except the initials NBA.”

    A God Amongst Men and His Night of a Century

    “Chamberlain scored the first points of the game on a slam dunk, but most of the eventual crowd of 4,124 fans had not yet even arrived.” (For comparison, the Athletics averaged 4,009 in their last season in Philadelphia, which is why they left for Kansas City.)

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Reg Cæsar

    Good video.

    I know nothing about Cricket, but I would assume the players are better now than the were in 1931.

    Replies: @Carimbo

  132. @Truth
    What Wilt Chamberlin did during his prime; I think he still owns over 130 NBA records, as well as Babe Ruth once hitting more home runs than all but 2 American League teams probably rival Mr. Bradman. Chamberlin lost it of, course in the playoffs, where he kept losing to Bill Russell.

    Another prospect for all-time outlier would have to be Sugar Ray Robinson who won 136 of his first 137 fights, losing only to Jake Lamotta (5x avenged) with a 16 lb. weight disadvantage. SRR is still almost universally considered the best boxer of all-time, 55 years after his retirement.

    https://www.dreamcricket.com/articles/dreamcricket-usa-news/when-babe-ruth-tried-his-hand-at-cricket/

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Carimbo

    Nice article about Babe Ruth trying cricket. The interesting line to me is “the reporters noted that he had edged so many balls that the edges had nearly disappeared”, showing that the article misses the key point that the most common way to get out is edging the ball off your flat bat to fielders waiting behind. Ruth must have been doing that a lot.

    Ruth’s experience is typical of top baseball players trying cricket. They are excellent at smashing the ball great distances. However, they get out far too easily. With some practice they could be great at the short form of the game, where each team of 11 faces just 120 balls between them. For longer versions of cricket, a more cautious approach is needed, hitting the ball along the ground so you can’t get caught out, rather than in the air playing shots that are not so natural for a baseball player.

    I’m sure that an eye for hitting a ball translates quite well across all bat and ball games.

  133. What Wilt does not tell you is that he paid for 10,ooo professional women and he promised the other 10,000 women a brand new car.

    In all seriousness Chamberlain was a physical marvel, and he seemed to be a decent dude who was not part of the “dat rayciss” crowd with Jim Brown, Ali, Kareem, and other Black athletes of the time. Who knows? When chicks saw what a physical specimen Wilt was, they probably wondered if he was hung like a stallion as well, and he at least appeared to be a gentleman on camera, unlike woman beater, Jim Brown. Reportedly and according to sources ( might make it bullshit) actor Rod Taylor dusted off Jim Brown with a punch on a movie set. Taylor was a former boxer and had that memorable fight scene in the movie, “Darker Than Amber” with my favorite bad guy, William Smith who recently passed away at 88. Smith was not just your average meathead, he was a war hero, fluent in Russian, poet, very interesting guy. Smith was REAL life version of the REEL Dos Equis beer guy.

    Cue: Nationwide by ZZ Top for the recently departed Dusty Hill RIP and RIP to Big Bill Smith as well.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @Trinity

    What’s even more amazing is that a professional athlete of that era (free love and pre-AIDS), who allegedly “slept” (not much sleeping going on for sure) with an outrageous amount of women, had no children!!! That is really amazing. He must’ve been infertile or had a vasectomy. One of the main reasons, if not the main reason, for copulating is to reproduce. Big Wilt lost out on that competition.

    Replies: @Trinity

    , @AceDeuce
    @Trinity

    My Agree, BTW, was for Dusty Hill and William Smith, and hopefully, to Rod Taylor punching out a/hole Jim Brown--I hope it's true, but I never heard that before.

    As for Wilt, he was a dominant force in bakkabaw, no doubt. I met him once-nice enough guy, although people who knew him better said that he was a cheater at backgammon.

    I also heard that, even as an adult, he was barely literate, I mean seriously barely literate, which didn't stop him from "writing" an Obamaesqe total of two autobiographies-the first near the end of his career in 1973 and the second in 1991, in which he first wrote his famous claim of his sleeping with umpteen thousand women. I know the first was written with a Jewish ghost writer, Not sure about the second.

    In the first, he was pretty self-serving, and there was a bit of negro racism, but not much. Overall, it was fairly good natured. In the second, he was much more bitter and angry--and racist.

    Over the years, and long before Wilt's second book, I've learned that's how all blacks are.

    Replies: @Truth

  134. @Reg Cæsar
    @Ron Mexico


    I don’t buy any Chinese 🐂💩
     
    Where do you shop, then?

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    I let my wife do all the shopping

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Ron Mexico

    Touché

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Ron Mexico


    I let my wife do all the shopping

     

    So she's keeping the Middle Kingdom afloat!
  135. @Reg Cæsar
    @Truth


    What Wilt Chamberlin did during his prime; I think he still owns over 130 NBA records...
     
    And, if you take his word for it, other records as well...


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QOE8vrTaQPs


    Besides, how "mature" was the "Association" (not even a "league") in Wilt's day? His most-remembered feat took place in unincorporated Hershey, Pa. (1950 pop. 9,993, including "suburbs".) Well, at least it wasn't Utica, or Green Bay!

    Wilt’s NBA When He Scored 100 In A Game


    "Wilt’s NBA has nothing in common with today’s NBA except the initials NBA."


    A God Amongst Men and His Night of a Century

    "Chamberlain scored the first points of the game on a slam dunk, but most of the eventual crowd of 4,124 fans had not yet even arrived." (For comparison, the Athletics averaged 4,009 in their last season in Philadelphia, which is why they left for Kansas City.)


    https://hersheyarchives.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/1A016.6.jpg

    Replies: @Truth

    Good video.

    I know nothing about Cricket, but I would assume the players are better now than the were in 1931.

    • Replies: @Carimbo
    @Truth

    It is hard to compare the standard of players in a team game, but Englishman Harold Larwood bowled at Bradman at an estimated 90-100mph. This is as fast as the best modern fast bowlers. He often broke bones of the batsmen he faced and a few were carried off unconscious.

    Players all use well designed helmets now. They need them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VNpNtUzjiI

  136. @Truth
    @Reg Cæsar

    Good video.

    I know nothing about Cricket, but I would assume the players are better now than the were in 1931.

    Replies: @Carimbo

    It is hard to compare the standard of players in a team game, but Englishman Harold Larwood bowled at Bradman at an estimated 90-100mph. This is as fast as the best modern fast bowlers. He often broke bones of the batsmen he faced and a few were carried off unconscious.

    Players all use well designed helmets now. They need them.

  137. @Ron Mexico
    @Reg Cæsar

    I let my wife do all the shopping

    Replies: @JMcG, @Reg Cæsar

    Touché

  138. @Trinity
    What Wilt does not tell you is that he paid for 10,ooo professional women and he promised the other 10,000 women a brand new car.

    In all seriousness Chamberlain was a physical marvel, and he seemed to be a decent dude who was not part of the "dat rayciss" crowd with Jim Brown, Ali, Kareem, and other Black athletes of the time. Who knows? When chicks saw what a physical specimen Wilt was, they probably wondered if he was hung like a stallion as well, and he at least appeared to be a gentleman on camera, unlike woman beater, Jim Brown. Reportedly and according to sources ( might make it bullshit) actor Rod Taylor dusted off Jim Brown with a punch on a movie set. Taylor was a former boxer and had that memorable fight scene in the movie, "Darker Than Amber" with my favorite bad guy, William Smith who recently passed away at 88. Smith was not just your average meathead, he was a war hero, fluent in Russian, poet, very interesting guy. Smith was REAL life version of the REEL Dos Equis beer guy.


    Cue: Nationwide by ZZ Top for the recently departed Dusty Hill RIP and RIP to Big Bill Smith as well.

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @AceDeuce

    What’s even more amazing is that a professional athlete of that era (free love and pre-AIDS), who allegedly “slept” (not much sleeping going on for sure) with an outrageous amount of women, had no children!!! That is really amazing. He must’ve been infertile or had a vasectomy. One of the main reasons, if not the main reason, for copulating is to reproduce. Big Wilt lost out on that competition.

    • Replies: @Trinity
    @PaceLaw

    Well I have to give props to Wilt for not producing a bunch of mixed race kids, I mean did that cat even like Black women? Whether he did Black, Brown, White or Yellow women, the fact that Wilt was responsible enough not to sire a bunch of kids out of wedlock like the typical Negro horn dog is admirable in my book. Look at that POS (c)rapper DMX. That douchebag had 15 kids. Wonder how much time he spent with them? Well, at least I think they are all Black or I am hoping they are all Black. Some guys know they are not cut out for fatherhood and I respect them a lot more than I do deadbeat dads. Maybe the big guy was infertile, God blessed the big man with a tremendous body but evened things out elsewhere, maybe. Shit, living that lifestyle, a lot of guys would not want to be held down with kids and a wife. Hell, nobody has it all.

    I'm trying to remember if Wilt was one of those Black dudes that hung around Whites like OJ Simpson. OJ was yet another Black athlete that hung around nothing but Whites, dated ONLY White women and didn't get involved in race issues UNTIL he was nailed with a murder charge, killing and almost decapitating Nicole Simpson. All of a sudden OJ was Black again and Blacks the people OJ avoided were so loyal to "The Juice" aka "The Jizz."

    Replies: @PaceLaw

  139. @Steve Sailer
    @Thomm

    Bradman made his cricket reputation playing in international championships for Australia against the English national team, which was the top competition possible at the time.

    I'm a little vague on whether cricketeers were supposed to be amateurs or not at the time. From the Wikipedia article, it sounds like making a good living for his family was more stressful for Bradman than it was for Ruth, DiMaggio or Williams, who got paid the modern equivalent of very high six figures.

    Replies: @Alan D, @Thomm

    When Bradman was an international player from 1928 to 1948, Australian cricketers could not be paid explicitly for playing cricket. However, they could be employed by companies such as sporting equipment sellers, who would give them plenty of time off. They needed a lot of time off – interstate matches lasted four days, I think that international matches lasted five days, maybe more, and a tour of England lasted for months, plus weeks-long boat trips to and from England. I assume that any cricketer who could not get such a job would have found it difficult to get a decent income. The situation is different now – high-level cricketers have been well paid for some decades.

    Don Bradman is still famous and it is impossible to be Australian without knowing who he was. Cricket fans never discuss who is the best batsman of all time – it is simply Bradman.

    • Replies: @Carimbo
    @Alan D

    "Cricket fans never discuss who is the best batsman of all time – it is simply Bradman." As an Englishman, I totally agree.

  140. @Trinity
    What Wilt does not tell you is that he paid for 10,ooo professional women and he promised the other 10,000 women a brand new car.

    In all seriousness Chamberlain was a physical marvel, and he seemed to be a decent dude who was not part of the "dat rayciss" crowd with Jim Brown, Ali, Kareem, and other Black athletes of the time. Who knows? When chicks saw what a physical specimen Wilt was, they probably wondered if he was hung like a stallion as well, and he at least appeared to be a gentleman on camera, unlike woman beater, Jim Brown. Reportedly and according to sources ( might make it bullshit) actor Rod Taylor dusted off Jim Brown with a punch on a movie set. Taylor was a former boxer and had that memorable fight scene in the movie, "Darker Than Amber" with my favorite bad guy, William Smith who recently passed away at 88. Smith was not just your average meathead, he was a war hero, fluent in Russian, poet, very interesting guy. Smith was REAL life version of the REEL Dos Equis beer guy.


    Cue: Nationwide by ZZ Top for the recently departed Dusty Hill RIP and RIP to Big Bill Smith as well.

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @AceDeuce

    My Agree, BTW, was for Dusty Hill and William Smith, and hopefully, to Rod Taylor punching out a/hole Jim Brown–I hope it’s true, but I never heard that before.

    As for Wilt, he was a dominant force in bakkabaw, no doubt. I met him once-nice enough guy, although people who knew him better said that he was a cheater at backgammon.

    I also heard that, even as an adult, he was barely literate, I mean seriously barely literate, which didn’t stop him from “writing” an Obamaesqe total of two autobiographies-the first near the end of his career in 1973 and the second in 1991, in which he first wrote his famous claim of his sleeping with umpteen thousand women. I know the first was written with a Jewish ghost writer, Not sure about the second.

    In the first, he was pretty self-serving, and there was a bit of negro racism, but not much. Overall, it was fairly good natured. In the second, he was much more bitter and angry–and racist.

    Over the years, and long before Wilt’s second book, I’ve learned that’s how all blacks are.

    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Replies: @Truth
    @AceDeuce


    bakkabaw
     
    Bro., the prejoratives for athletic events? "bakkabaw" or "sportsball?"

    Please don't. I say this for your own good, Old Sport, one of your friend's jobs is to protect one from himself.

    One may as well choose "I'm ghey" as his chatboard moniker, or at least, "Not a beta, an omega"

  141. @Alan D
    @Steve Sailer

    When Bradman was an international player from 1928 to 1948, Australian cricketers could not be paid explicitly for playing cricket. However, they could be employed by companies such as sporting equipment sellers, who would give them plenty of time off. They needed a lot of time off - interstate matches lasted four days, I think that international matches lasted five days, maybe more, and a tour of England lasted for months, plus weeks-long boat trips to and from England. I assume that any cricketer who could not get such a job would have found it difficult to get a decent income. The situation is different now - high-level cricketers have been well paid for some decades.

    Don Bradman is still famous and it is impossible to be Australian without knowing who he was. Cricket fans never discuss who is the best batsman of all time - it is simply Bradman.

    Replies: @Carimbo

    “Cricket fans never discuss who is the best batsman of all time – it is simply Bradman.” As an Englishman, I totally agree.

  142. @AceDeuce
    @Trinity

    My Agree, BTW, was for Dusty Hill and William Smith, and hopefully, to Rod Taylor punching out a/hole Jim Brown--I hope it's true, but I never heard that before.

    As for Wilt, he was a dominant force in bakkabaw, no doubt. I met him once-nice enough guy, although people who knew him better said that he was a cheater at backgammon.

    I also heard that, even as an adult, he was barely literate, I mean seriously barely literate, which didn't stop him from "writing" an Obamaesqe total of two autobiographies-the first near the end of his career in 1973 and the second in 1991, in which he first wrote his famous claim of his sleeping with umpteen thousand women. I know the first was written with a Jewish ghost writer, Not sure about the second.

    In the first, he was pretty self-serving, and there was a bit of negro racism, but not much. Overall, it was fairly good natured. In the second, he was much more bitter and angry--and racist.

    Over the years, and long before Wilt's second book, I've learned that's how all blacks are.

    Replies: @Truth

    bakkabaw

    Bro., the prejoratives for athletic events? “bakkabaw” or “sportsball?”

    Please don’t. I say this for your own good, Old Sport, one of your friend’s jobs is to protect one from himself.

    One may as well choose “I’m ghey” as his chatboard moniker, or at least, “Not a beta, an omega”

  143. @Steve Sailer
    @Thomm

    Bradman made his cricket reputation playing in international championships for Australia against the English national team, which was the top competition possible at the time.

    I'm a little vague on whether cricketeers were supposed to be amateurs or not at the time. From the Wikipedia article, it sounds like making a good living for his family was more stressful for Bradman than it was for Ruth, DiMaggio or Williams, who got paid the modern equivalent of very high six figures.

    Replies: @Alan D, @Thomm

    From the Wikipedia article, it sounds like making a good living for his family was more stressful for Bradman than it was for Ruth, DiMaggio or Williams, who got paid the modern equivalent of very high six figures.

    That is what I mean. Since few people were able to play professionally in Australia at the time, and Australia was probably much poorer than the US was in the time of Ruth or DiMaggio, Bradman faced a lot less competition in those days, and fewer opponents. If he played today, he would probably still be the best, but not by 4.4 standard deviations.

    But it is impossible to measure this for sure. Since there will never be a perfect metric, it appears that as the holder of the 4.4 standard deviation metric (with others in other sports maxing out in the 3.4 to 3.7 range), Bradman stands alone, even with the asterisk of his sport not being economically mature at the time so as to enable a large number of professional players.

  144. @PaceLaw
    @Trinity

    What’s even more amazing is that a professional athlete of that era (free love and pre-AIDS), who allegedly “slept” (not much sleeping going on for sure) with an outrageous amount of women, had no children!!! That is really amazing. He must’ve been infertile or had a vasectomy. One of the main reasons, if not the main reason, for copulating is to reproduce. Big Wilt lost out on that competition.

    Replies: @Trinity

    Well I have to give props to Wilt for not producing a bunch of mixed race kids, I mean did that cat even like Black women? Whether he did Black, Brown, White or Yellow women, the fact that Wilt was responsible enough not to sire a bunch of kids out of wedlock like the typical Negro horn dog is admirable in my book. Look at that POS (c)rapper DMX. That douchebag had 15 kids. Wonder how much time he spent with them? Well, at least I think they are all Black or I am hoping they are all Black. Some guys know they are not cut out for fatherhood and I respect them a lot more than I do deadbeat dads. Maybe the big guy was infertile, God blessed the big man with a tremendous body but evened things out elsewhere, maybe. Shit, living that lifestyle, a lot of guys would not want to be held down with kids and a wife. Hell, nobody has it all.

    I’m trying to remember if Wilt was one of those Black dudes that hung around Whites like OJ Simpson. OJ was yet another Black athlete that hung around nothing but Whites, dated ONLY White women and didn’t get involved in race issues UNTIL he was nailed with a murder charge, killing and almost decapitating Nicole Simpson. All of a sudden OJ was Black again and Blacks the people OJ avoided were so loyal to “The Juice” aka “The Jizz.”

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @Trinity

    Yeah, I believe Wilt did primarily hang around other white celebrities. Recall that he was in the original Conan the barbarian movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Also, regarding OJ, one small correction: his first wife was black but he left her in order to be with Nicole.

  145. @Ron Mexico
    @Reg Cæsar

    I let my wife do all the shopping

    Replies: @JMcG, @Reg Cæsar

    I let my wife do all the shopping

    So she’s keeping the Middle Kingdom afloat!

  146. @Trinity
    @PaceLaw

    Well I have to give props to Wilt for not producing a bunch of mixed race kids, I mean did that cat even like Black women? Whether he did Black, Brown, White or Yellow women, the fact that Wilt was responsible enough not to sire a bunch of kids out of wedlock like the typical Negro horn dog is admirable in my book. Look at that POS (c)rapper DMX. That douchebag had 15 kids. Wonder how much time he spent with them? Well, at least I think they are all Black or I am hoping they are all Black. Some guys know they are not cut out for fatherhood and I respect them a lot more than I do deadbeat dads. Maybe the big guy was infertile, God blessed the big man with a tremendous body but evened things out elsewhere, maybe. Shit, living that lifestyle, a lot of guys would not want to be held down with kids and a wife. Hell, nobody has it all.

    I'm trying to remember if Wilt was one of those Black dudes that hung around Whites like OJ Simpson. OJ was yet another Black athlete that hung around nothing but Whites, dated ONLY White women and didn't get involved in race issues UNTIL he was nailed with a murder charge, killing and almost decapitating Nicole Simpson. All of a sudden OJ was Black again and Blacks the people OJ avoided were so loyal to "The Juice" aka "The Jizz."

    Replies: @PaceLaw

    Yeah, I believe Wilt did primarily hang around other white celebrities. Recall that he was in the original Conan the barbarian movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Also, regarding OJ, one small correction: his first wife was black but he left her in order to be with Nicole.

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