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My new Taki’s Magazine column, The Emmett Till Effect, explains how to quantify how The Megaphone transmits The Narrative: track year by year how certain text strings in the New York Times have waxed (such as “Emmett Till” and “white privilege”) while others have waned (e.g., “Tawana Brawley” and “Great White Defendant”).

Above is a new graph I made showing how Emmett Till, who was murdered by whites in 1955, is on track to appear in over 90 NYT articles this year. In contrast, Tawana Brawley, who seems to have launched our current age of hate hoaxes in 1987-1988 when Al Sharpton took national her charge that six white cops raped her, hasn’t been mentioned in the Times this year.

Why has the frequency of “Emmett Till” in the New York Times risen from a name referenced annually in the late 20th Century, to one mentioned monthly in the early 21st Century, to the name’s remarkable 2018 status as being as omnipresent in the news (55 mentions so far) as Chief Justice John Roberts (57 mentions)?

The growth of “Emmett Till” has correlated closely (r = 0.88) with the similarly increasing ubiquity of the phrase “white privilege.”

If your head is stuffed full of the notion of “white privilege,” it’s only natural to remember “Emmett Till,” and vice-versa. “Emmett Till” and “white privilege” are mutually reinforcing pieces of the mental architecture of the average NYT reader.

If you ever feel twinges of skepticism about the current stress on “white privilege,” just remember how Emmett Till’s murderers got off due to their white privilege and your doubts will recede.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. And Garcia Zarate got away with murdering Kate Steinle showing that the only redress for white privilege in 1955 is Brown privilege in 2018.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    Bestter, Steve should try searching the NYT for the name "Channon Christian".

    Far, far more horrific than Emmett Till and more or less explains why he was killed.

    And her very name, picture, story is an anathema to the NYT--destroys their nasty narrative of "America".
  2. Anonymous[418] • Disclaimer says:

    To repeat for the billionth time: Till was not innocent.

    White people who lived in 50% black areas did not–repeat, did not–just lynch random “youths” for no reason.

    • Replies: @anon
    Yup somewhere here on Unz i think by Unz himself is a pretty good case for Tills guilt of menacing and sexual assault and other embarrassing details the left wont mention
    What isn't said is the scientifically documented facts are blacks are dangerous if ever given the impression they will not be immediately consequented. They have low future time orientation are stupid aggressive arrogant and sexually aggressive. They also angry and resentful envious at what nature has given them and if dealt with gently on things like harassment sexual assault et will quickly follow through with rape and murder.Like all punishment of animals including whites if done swiftly and consistently there really isnt much need to do much there were fewer blacks in prisons in the bad old days they knew better than to act out,now they know chances are they will get away with many many crimes probably for years before being caught for one and when caught the penalty will be light
    , @Art Deco
    They beat him to death for trivial reasons, something well understood by the local prosecutor and, ultimately the local populace, who ran Bryant and Milam out of town.
    , @AndrewR
    He may have made a pass at a married white woman but that doesn't justify brutal murder.

    I would say that his murderers and their jurors set whites back by a century but I'm sure our (((elites))) would have found another case to beat whites over the head with 60+ years later.
    , @Jack D
    NO reason - no. But tiny offenses - yes. Till, in the worst possible telling of what he did, made a verbal sexual proposition to a white woman (without ever touching her). BECAUSE this was a 50% black area, whites believed that they only way they could maintain order and keep their women from being raped was to maintain broad and strict lines of racial separation that blacks could not cross, on penalty of (extralegal) death. Till, being an outsider from Chicago, was unaware of and crossed this invisible line. Most local blacks, well aware of the lines and the penalty for crossing them, did not dare cross them and thus avoided being lynched. Under the unwritten code of the South, Till was not "innocent" but the code itself was both extralegal and immoral. In no just society is the penalty for an unwanted proposition death - that's taking #Me Too too far.
    , @Anon
    What is the significance of the "lived in 50% black areas" qualifier?
    , @Pat Boyle
    Lat week there was a story of a black woman who kidnapped, tortured and burn alive a white baby. This case is still being investigated but from preliminary reports appears to be a simple race hate crime. Blacks hate whites and kill their babies.

    More than sixty years ago a precocious black teenager annoyed a white woman and her husband killed him. Race may have been part of the motivation or maybe not. Had Emmet Till been white and had done exactly the same thing that he did, and the husband had heard exactly the same account from the offended wife - maybe he would have killed him irrespective of his race.. The case seemed to be about sex and honor and only partially about race. Of course blacks rape or sexually molest women at many. many times the white or East Asian rate. If you hear of a woman being raped it is likely to have been at the hands of a negro.

    What do you think the husband would have done had Till been white? Would he have just had a beer with a white teenager and laughed about it? Are we to believe that this husband didn't care about the attack on his wife but just on the color of the attacker?

    Horst Wessel was shot by Communists and Goebbels made it a propaganda case. The same has been done with Emmitt Till.
  3. The WSJ now puts their awful Chamber of Commerce/War Machine editorial page behind a paywall?

    Steve, time to cut the cord here if you’re paying $100 a year for access. Do you really need to pay for Rupert Murdoch’s Opinions? He owns plenty of other newspapers and websites.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The WSJ now puts their awful Chamber of Commerce/War Machine editorial page behind a paywall?
     
    They always have. It's the crosswords that are free, as they are at the Financial Times, the source of all the innovations at the WSJ in recent decades.
  4. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Austin, Texas should be renamed after Emmett Till. If anyone objects, we’ll rename them Emmett Till too.

    Question for the Great Unwashed: How many innocent white people have been murdered by black people since 1955? How many made the front page (or even the back pages) of the NYT?

    Question Two: Why are we still paying attention to the NYT?

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @JimB
    The NYT is the rectal thermometer of elite establishment opinion.
  5. Emmett Till, who was murdered by whites in 1955

    He was murdered by the husband and brother-in-law of the woman he is claimed to have metooed. So it’s at least as much a crime of passion as of racial animus, if not more so.

    This is conveniently kept out of most accounts. The murders of Harvey Milk and Matthew Shepard are given the same treatment. As are the videos of Rodney Glen King’s and other police beatings.

    What if Till were white? Would he have been murdered then?

    That depends on what kind of white. A mouthy Irish kid from Chicago? Possibly. Local white trash? Maybe, maybe not; might depend on the family. The son of the local sheriff? Almost certainly not.

    • Replies: @Buddwing
    It is worth reading the LOOK magazine article describing an escalating set of mutual provocation that led to the murder.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/till-killers-confession/
    , @Anonymous
    I wouldn't say that Emmett Till deserved what he got, but I would say he severely transgressed the societal norms and had been apparently warned as to the consequences of doing so. People, white and black, get whacked for being buttheads every year, every week in black communities. So to single him out for martyr treatment is crap and everyone knows it.
    , @Jack D
    I disagree with you. Till's offense was not just that he was an outsider that had propositioned someone's woman, it was that he was doing so while crossing racial lines. A white kid from Chicago might had merited a beating for doing what Till did, but they would not have killed him.
    , @Anonymous
    In the words of one of the lynchers, what really set him off was Till's claim of scoring with white women.

    As long as I live and can do anything about it, niggers are gonna stay in their place. Niggers ain't gonna vote where I live. If they did, they'd control the government. They ain't gonna go to school with my kids. And when a nigger gets close to mentioning sex with a white woman, he's tired o' livin'. I'm likely to kill him. Me and my folks fought for this country, and we got some rights. I stood there in that shed and listened to that nigger throw that poison at me, and I just made up my mind.
     
  6. Emmett Till, who was murdered by whites

    Didn’t a couple of blacks help out?

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    Yes.
  7. @Lot
    The WSJ now puts their awful Chamber of Commerce/War Machine editorial page behind a paywall?

    Steve, time to cut the cord here if you're paying $100 a year for access. Do you really need to pay for Rupert Murdoch's Opinions? He owns plenty of other newspapers and websites.

    The WSJ now puts their awful Chamber of Commerce/War Machine editorial page behind a paywall?

    They always have. It’s the crosswords that are free, as they are at the Financial Times, the source of all the innovations at the WSJ in recent decades.

    • Replies: @Lot
    For at least a decade they had opinionjournal.com that was completely free of paywalls that were on the main site.
  8. Brilliant & important point.

    The more fictional “white privilege” gets, the more we hear about it. The farther Emmett Till recedes into the historical rear-view mirror, the larger he looms.

    • Replies: @Forbes

    The more fictional “white privilege” gets, the more we hear about it. The farther Emmett Till recedes into the historical rear-view mirror, the larger he looms.
     
    This mirrors "snowflakes triggered by microaggressions," where microscopic slights imperceptible to the unaided eye cause interminable mental anxiety--the smaller the better for stimulating outrage.

    As well, Jim Crow and slavery, irrespective of occurring 60 and 160 years ago, are historic legacies of which everyone should be daily reminded lest they forget their guilt as blatant racists.
  9. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Okay, I looked at the NYT site for moment. Here’s what I found:

    Welcome to the world, little fish. In 14 days you’ll start making babies. The African annual fish can reach sexual maturity in about two weeks, scientists found.

    A new tick species invading the U.S., the Asian long-horned tick, has arrived in New York’s suburbs. In Asia the species carries a virus that kills 15 percent of its victims.

    • Replies: @donut
    "A new tick species invading the U.S., the Asian long-horned tick, has arrived in New York’s suburbs. In Asia the species carries a virus that kills 15 percent of its victims."

    So there's still hope .
  10. @Reg Cæsar

    Emmett Till, who was murdered by whites in 1955
     
    He was murdered by the husband and brother-in-law of the woman he is claimed to have metooed. So it's at least as much a crime of passion as of racial animus, if not more so.

    This is conveniently kept out of most accounts. The murders of Harvey Milk and Matthew Shepard are given the same treatment. As are the videos of Rodney Glen King's and other police beatings.

    What if Till were white? Would he have been murdered then?

    That depends on what kind of white. A mouthy Irish kid from Chicago? Possibly. Local white trash? Maybe, maybe not; might depend on the family. The son of the local sheriff? Almost certainly not.

    It is worth reading the LOOK magazine article describing an escalating set of mutual provocation that led to the murder.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/till-killers-confession/

    • Replies: @Bryan
    Having read the _Look_article, it changes things. In that place, in those circumstances, when the woman was frightened enough to get her pistol (which is not an over-reaction), what should the reaction be?

    Well, it has to be sufficient so that even when you are out of town, a gang of blacks will not will not terrorize your wife, as they have already done. Indeed, his community demanded exactly that response; one of Till's relatives told him he should exile himself immediately. So, the condition was grave.
  11. Suggestion: do the same for the word “Holocaust” — don’t forget to capitalize it.

    Alternate idea: instead of censorship, FB should ask these ‘Holocaust’ experts to provide a reply to any content on FB they find wrong or offensive — FB should then publish it right beside the wrong/offensive content in a way that no one could miss it — then readers could compare and decide for themselves.

    Holocaust-Leugnerin Ursula Haverbeck scheitert in Karlsruhe

    89 y/o Ursula Haverbeck lost her appeal and must spend two years in jail.

    Americans need to consider if they want such things to happen in the US — because it’s the next step.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Due to the 1st Amendment, Holocaust denial and espousal of Nazi ideology cannot be made a crime in the US. Germany has no exact equivalent of the 1st Amendment and, for obvious reasons, believes that it is important to prevent a revival of Nazism which not only destroyed European Jewry but also caused immeasurable damage to Germany itself. America has a long history of protection of free speech (and no history of starting world wars) so it strikes the balance in a different way. I'd say that both countries got it right for their own conditions.
    , @AnotherDad
    If Facebook wants to kick off Holocaust deniers--got no problem with it, it's their site.

    However, if they are going to pose as guardians of truth and toss off politically motivated lies, then there are plenty of them that are even more obvious and provable then Holocaust denial. Starting with those people who deny that natural selection--working in different geographic and cultural environments--has created substantial genetic variation, anatomical, physiological and behavioral between various races and ethnic groups.

    People who deny this are natural selection deniers--essentially deniers of logic--in order to support a political ideology of state power, control and oppression.
    , @gregor
    Re: tech censorship. A few months ago I searched for some stuff on the David Irving and Ernst Zundel trials and thereafter, much to my amusement, YouTube’s suggestion algorithms started blitzing me with holocaust revisionism videos. And there’s a ton of that stuff on YouTube, even now, though some of it is on restricted status. Their method seems to be to let videos without a lot of views stay up, but once they gain any viral momentum they try to keep it contained. They don’t even seem to care if the videos are mirrored as long as the views stay low. It’s odd that they recommend and censor these kinds of videos simultaneously, but I guess that’s just baked into the recommendation system.
  12. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Emmett Till, who was murdered by whites in 1955
     
    He was murdered by the husband and brother-in-law of the woman he is claimed to have metooed. So it's at least as much a crime of passion as of racial animus, if not more so.

    This is conveniently kept out of most accounts. The murders of Harvey Milk and Matthew Shepard are given the same treatment. As are the videos of Rodney Glen King's and other police beatings.

    What if Till were white? Would he have been murdered then?

    That depends on what kind of white. A mouthy Irish kid from Chicago? Possibly. Local white trash? Maybe, maybe not; might depend on the family. The son of the local sheriff? Almost certainly not.

    I wouldn’t say that Emmett Till deserved what he got, but I would say he severely transgressed the societal norms and had been apparently warned as to the consequences of doing so. People, white and black, get whacked for being buttheads every year, every week in black communities. So to single him out for martyr treatment is crap and everyone knows it.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Just the other day, some white guy from Florida was in town for a wedding in NYC and tapped on the window of an SUV waiting outside the hotel where it was held, thinking that it was his Uber. The driver got out and punched him because (I guess) tapping on the window of your ride violates the code of the streets or something. The Florida man fell backwards and hit his head and died a couple of days later.

    https://www.wpbf.com/article/boca-raton-man-is-dead-after-a-violent-assault-in-new-york-city/22665614

    I would say that what Till did was clearly less of an "innocent mistake" regarding the unwritten code of the streets than what this Florida guy did. But, arguably, the code of Mississippi was more unjust because it was part of a whole system of racial control of blacks, while the code of the ghetto streets (while just as violent) seems less focused and organized. However both codes have the tacit endorsement of the population - in all of the 66 shootings last week in Chicago, not a single witness came forward.
  13. Anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    What is it that happened in 2012 and 2014 that made the left loose their minds? Hm…

    I bet if we could broaden the number of search terms, we could find an even more interesting trend, perhaps one corresponding to US elections.

    2012: white privilege (black guy running for office against white man)

    2014: Emmet Till (BLM, mid-term elections)

    2016: Alt-right?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I predicted in my book "America's Half-Blood Prince: Barack Obama's "Story of Race and Inheritance" that the first Obama term would be pretty restrained on racial matters but the second term would be pretty intense.

    My impression is that the Obama Administration greenlighted various race and sex resentment people to get out the vote in 2012, and by 2013 the gloves were off: to the winners belong the spoils and a lot of people in the Obama Administration were champing at the bit to finally stick it to their enemies now that re-election had been won. The change in atmosphere from 2011 to 2013 was quite noticeable, which led to Ferguson in 2014 and the Late Obama Age Collapse in 2015-16, which led to Trump.

    , @Thirdtwin
    "2016: Alt-right?"

    Dana Schutz.
  14. The farther Emmett Till recedes into the historical rear-view mirror, the larger he looms.

    Exactly.

    1955 was a heck of a long time ago. Does this stuff ever stop? Or does a certain generation just continue to obsess about the same handful of totemic incidents which it elevates into revelations of cosmic importance?

    This cloying attempt to immanentize the eschaton along racial justice lines is literally driving the West insane, bending weak minds to its will, warping everything around it like an evil spell. Such things, it seems, only end in great upheavals, catastrophes, and deluges. The lie has insinuated itself into everything and everything will have to change as it snaps back into shape when the lie blows off in great solar flares of catharsis.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    As the French philosopher Alain Finkielkraut said in 2005, “The lofty idea of ‘the war on racism’ is gradually turning into a hideously false ideology. And this anti-racism will be for the 21st century what Communism was for the 20th century: A source of violence.”

    (For those who keep track, Finkielkraut is Jewish.)
  15. Anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    Can we search for the term Becky? What about Mayonnaise? I vaguely remember an Anne Coulter reference to a site called Lexus Nexus where this could be done. Alternatively, it may be possible to use the Google search engine to look for “Becky” by year. This, admittedly, isn’t as good as using the Times because the Google search engine might simply quantify the number of people talking about the issue rather than catalogue propaganda efforts to popularize a term by US news outlets (“Becky” + “New York Times” in Google, by year?).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I found three examples of "Becky" being used as an anti-white slur in the New York Times in the last few months from reading articles about white women being mean to blacks.

    I haven't looked in general for the text "Becky" because there are lots of links to women named Becky. But in Google you can see an excerpt and quickly distinguish references to women named Becky from the racial slur.

    , @Stan d Mute

    I vaguely remember an Anne Coulter reference to a site called Lexus Nexus where this could be done.
     
    Yes, that’s Lexis Nexis (https://www.lexisnexis.com/en-us/gateway.page) and it’s a fantastic tool that Steve could have fun with for years. But Steve doesn’t have Ann Coulter money and Lexis Nexis ain’t cheap. Back in the 90’s I dated a girl whose daddy was a bigshot there and could have hooked him up, but that’s ancient history now.

    Ron should reach out to them and work out a subscription so he can share with Steve. Or any iStevers who work for Big Law could slip him a login and pw.
    , @kimchilover
    Since discovering your blog I've often wondered if you had a Lexis/Nexis account. In law school I had unfettered access to the entire search engine for three years and it was like a crack addiction. Once you got the hang of its protocols its searchability -and the content it could access - was genuinely staggering...infinitely superior to Google. The whole point of giving law students free access to it was, in fact, to get you addicted so that when you went into practice you'd use it over their competitor, WestLaw. No idea what it costs these days but I really, really miss it.
  16. I used to doubt that “white privilege” existed, until I actually read things like McIntosh’s “Invisible Knapsack” and realized that what it comes down to is just a few things that are quite true:

    1) Traditional American society has rather broad and flat circles of trust, which by default include white americans and exclude blacks and foreigners, who are held in a lower level of trust.

    2) As a consequence of being situated within a circle of trust, a white person is judged as an individual, rather than as a representative of an external group.

    3) White Americans have a large population and are widely distributed. They dominate most markets, so most products appeal to this large market.

    You see, “privilege” is not a degree of advantage, it a membership thing, like being a Shriner, or a Mason, or a Mafioso.

    Read McIntosh and you can map the examples she lists. Most of this is pretty obviously true, but not talked about much. What is strange is that labelling these bland facts “white privilege” makes people resist considering questions like

    “Which of these things is actually bad?”
    “Would a society where they were less true be a better society?”
    “Why does McIntosh want to ‘lessen them?’”
    “Did our broad, flat trust structure allow a more fluid and rapidly developing society than the more narrow and hierarchical European societies could manage?”

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Being judged as a representative of a nonwhite group can an advantage though, as the bar is lowered for you. The most obvious example is Obama, but examples abound in university faculties, on corporate boards, etc.

    As for most products being pitched with whites in mind, have you seen any ads on television recently?

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1010984937296748544?s=21
    , @Tyrion 2
    I agree with Anne Coulter. White privilege is the ability to speak badly of a deranged criminal even when they share your skin colour.
    , @Jack D
    What law abiding blacks want (and I can't say that I blame them) is to be included inside the trust circle. It must be annoying/infuriating to be a middle class black person and followed around the store because they think that you are a shoplifter and so on. But, what blacks don't seem to realize is that trust must be earned and that stereotypes don't come from thin air but are based on reality. What seems to be missing from the black way of looking at this is any desire or willingness to pressure the less law abiding portions of black society to stop doing shit that gives black people a bad reputation. Yes in some cases there has been white overreaction or mistaken reaction (e.g. where whites see a black "burglar" who is breaking into his own home because he has forgotten his keys) but given the crime statistics, it is an understandable and not "racist" assumption that a black dude breaking a window is a burglar and not the homeowner (even if you might give a white "burglar" the benefit of the doubt).
  17. @Reg Cæsar

    The WSJ now puts their awful Chamber of Commerce/War Machine editorial page behind a paywall?
     
    They always have. It's the crosswords that are free, as they are at the Financial Times, the source of all the innovations at the WSJ in recent decades.

    For at least a decade they had opinionjournal.com that was completely free of paywalls that were on the main site.

  18. @Anon
    Can we search for the term Becky? What about Mayonnaise? I vaguely remember an Anne Coulter reference to a site called Lexus Nexus where this could be done. Alternatively, it may be possible to use the Google search engine to look for "Becky" by year. This, admittedly, isn't as good as using the Times because the Google search engine might simply quantify the number of people talking about the issue rather than catalogue propaganda efforts to popularize a term by US news outlets ("Becky" + "New York Times" in Google, by year?).

    I found three examples of “Becky” being used as an anti-white slur in the New York Times in the last few months from reading articles about white women being mean to blacks.

    I haven’t looked in general for the text “Becky” because there are lots of links to women named Becky. But in Google you can see an excerpt and quickly distinguish references to women named Becky from the racial slur.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    I see 'Becky' used in a racially hostile way, but not so much as to demean Beckys for being somehow 'less than' but rather for their innate capacity through whiteness/attractiveness to be innately 'more than.'

    'Becky' is raced-based hostility, but is it a slur or is it an invective?

    I'll take Becky over Aunt Jemima any day of the week.
  19. @Anon
    What is it that happened in 2012 and 2014 that made the left loose their minds? Hm...

    I bet if we could broaden the number of search terms, we could find an even more interesting trend, perhaps one corresponding to US elections.

    2012: white privilege (black guy running for office against white man)

    2014: Emmet Till (BLM, mid-term elections)

    2016: Alt-right?

    I predicted in my book “America’s Half-Blood Prince: Barack Obama’s “Story of Race and Inheritance” that the first Obama term would be pretty restrained on racial matters but the second term would be pretty intense.

    My impression is that the Obama Administration greenlighted various race and sex resentment people to get out the vote in 2012, and by 2013 the gloves were off: to the winners belong the spoils and a lot of people in the Obama Administration were champing at the bit to finally stick it to their enemies now that re-election had been won. The change in atmosphere from 2011 to 2013 was quite noticeable, which led to Ferguson in 2014 and the Late Obama Age Collapse in 2015-16, which led to Trump.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    The change in atmosphere from 2011 to 2013 was quite noticeable, which led to Ferguson in 2014 and the Late Obama Age Collapse in 2015-16, which led to Trump.
     
    But the political 'lesson' of the 1992 riots is that - contrary to the previous post-Nixon consensus - rioting blacks are good for the Democratic Party. I remember the tension as the 20th anniversary of those events approached. (This was the start of the Trayvon affair.) Everybody, on both sides, was silently thinking about 1992. The media were deliberately trying to start another big riot. However nobody dared publicly criticise them for it.

    There were no big riots, but a lot of low-level unrest, and Obama was re-elected a short while later - apparently confirming the 'lesson'. After that all restraints were off.
  20. Another rough order of magnitude delineation of the appearance of specific words and phrases in United States newspapers and news media can be obtained by searching a newspaper data base such as News Library, which allows time specific searches of 6,600 newspapers and other media as far back as 1980.

    In the News Library archive, the term “white privilege” appears in 1 article in 1980, 1 article in 1981, and 2 articles in 1982 and in all of these articles the word is used with reference to its origins, describing the status of whites in black majority South Africa and Zimbabwe. Two examples are: “In South Africa’s case, defense of white privilege is further strengthened by the white community’s fear that not only their privileges but their entire security would be placed in jeopardy if they surrendered or lost power.” and “Zimbabwe Says No To White Privilege, Zimbabwe’s lawmakers have voted to do away with Parliamentary seats reserved for Whites.”

    Not until about 1990 does the phrase cease to be almost exclusively applied to whites in Africa.

    Thereafter, “white privilege” appears in (selected years) 232 articles and news stories in 2003, 431 in 2008, 1,092 in 2013, and 4,370 in 2017.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Right, in old NYT articles "white privilege" often is used in reference to South Africa.
  21. OT briefly I cannot do this justice but there was a stunning example of several current themes in yesterday’s Terry Gross interview with NYT journalist James Kirkpatrick. Kirkpatrick is an all but official defender of several disastrous Obama policies, especially the Arab Spring mess, and the interview focused on rehabilitating murderous Muslim Brotherhood terrorist Muhammad Morsi, who was described as “democratically elected” (technically true, screamingly wrong in context), whose Ikhwan membership was not brought up until deep into the interview.
    Sisi is represented as evil but there is no mention of the fact that he took over because Morsi gratuitously lied (he got elected because he made like he wasn’t going to be an Islamist) and Morsi was exterminating Christians. Kirkpatrick flat out lies in a typical Obamist snarky snipe when he claimed that James Mattis’s problem with Morsi amounted to calling him “bossy.” Ikhwan/MB do not believe in exactly the same Salafism seen in Saudi Arabia, but they definitely believe in making society look more like a certain hystrionic TV series, so, yeah, “bossy,” totally reasonable description.
    Kirkpatrick’s shtick is to try to use Chomskyite tricks that made sense a long time ago and then pretend that the Iraq War or the destruction of Libya didn’t happen — he points out that authoritarians talk up extremists to justify their authoritarianism. Well, yes. What cannot be denied now that we tested that premise is that the extremists actually exist (and are very “bossy”).
    People talk about things being offensive but this is blindingly maddening. Someone said the other night that the neocons were trying to distance themselves from the Iraq mess. Not Kirkpatrick. He styles himself as a plucky exposer of the Trump administration’s connections to the current leaders of the Arab world (Oh nefarious plotters! How dare you meet with your colleagues and discuss containing bossy extremists!).
    Read Stephen Coughlin’s book Catastrophic Failure. If you already have, you can visualize Kirkpatrick giving the four fingers. Kirkpatrick briefly mentions one of Coughlin’s thoroughly demonstrated points — that Obama was about as compromised by Ikhwan ideology as possible without being a Muslim, to the extent of firing critics and embracing Ikhwan definitions and rules — as conspiracy theory. Which is funny considering all of this can be checked. Yes, Obama did fire people (like Coughlin) who resisyed the program, and yes, Obama did embrace MB definitions (thus that wierd awkwardness over what to call ISIS, or the idea that you are not allowed to use the term umma).
    Bonus: he reveals, like he’s pulling the Panama Papers out of his pre-weatherd-leather messenger bag, that he has heard a recording of Egyptian state security people making sure that Egyptian talk show hosts calm everyone down about the US embassy moving to Jerusalem. Sisi, when not perfidiously protecting Christians, tries to (partially) defuse Arab anti-Semitism. What a monster!
    So the next time you hear that the US State Department is understaffed by Trump, remember what they’re capable of when fully staffed.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    I was in Egypt during the revolution/Al Sisi coup. The people I met were ecstatic. I can't get over how many Westerners don't realise that he is a moderate patriot doing an exceedingly difficult job.

    Morsi lied horrifically to gain power and then proceeded to try to start a cultural revolution. Practically everyone in the region knew that he had become bad news. When you have backbenchers proposing that the "pagan" pyramids should be hidden under wax, you know you're not dealing with people who care about their culture, history and society.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    This is not anything I can contribute on, but please, let me make it clear now - this is not VDare James Kirkpatrick

    (I know, you said NYT reporter, but it threw me for a loop, because I don't know all of Good James Kirkpatrick's background.)

    Carry on, gentlemen.
  22. @CCZ
    Another rough order of magnitude delineation of the appearance of specific words and phrases in United States newspapers and news media can be obtained by searching a newspaper data base such as News Library, which allows time specific searches of 6,600 newspapers and other media as far back as 1980.

    In the News Library archive, the term “white privilege” appears in 1 article in 1980, 1 article in 1981, and 2 articles in 1982 and in all of these articles the word is used with reference to its origins, describing the status of whites in black majority South Africa and Zimbabwe. Two examples are: “In South Africa's case, defense of white privilege is further strengthened by the white community's fear that not only their privileges but their entire security would be placed in jeopardy if they surrendered or lost power.” and “Zimbabwe Says No To White Privilege, Zimbabwe's lawmakers have voted to do away with Parliamentary seats reserved for Whites.”

    Not until about 1990 does the phrase cease to be almost exclusively applied to whites in Africa.

    Thereafter, “white privilege” appears in (selected years) 232 articles and news stories in 2003, 431 in 2008, 1,092 in 2013, and 4,370 in 2017.

    Right, in old NYT articles “white privilege” often is used in reference to South Africa.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    Forty years later, look where things are headed in South Africa.
  23. @Buddwing
    I used to doubt that "white privilege" existed, until I actually read things like McIntosh's "Invisible Knapsack" and realized that what it comes down to is just a few things that are quite true:

    1) Traditional American society has rather broad and flat circles of trust, which by default include white americans and exclude blacks and foreigners, who are held in a lower level of trust.

    2) As a consequence of being situated within a circle of trust, a white person is judged as an individual, rather than as a representative of an external group.

    3) White Americans have a large population and are widely distributed. They dominate most markets, so most products appeal to this large market.

    You see, "privilege" is not a degree of advantage, it a membership thing, like being a Shriner, or a Mason, or a Mafioso.

    Read McIntosh and you can map the examples she lists. Most of this is pretty obviously true, but not talked about much. What is strange is that labelling these bland facts "white privilege" makes people resist considering questions like

    "Which of these things is actually bad?"
    "Would a society where they were less true be a better society?"
    "Why does McIntosh want to 'lessen them?'"
    "Did our broad, flat trust structure allow a more fluid and rapidly developing society than the more narrow and hierarchical European societies could manage?"

    Being judged as a representative of a nonwhite group can an advantage though, as the bar is lowered for you. The most obvious example is Obama, but examples abound in university faculties, on corporate boards, etc.

    As for most products being pitched with whites in mind, have you seen any ads on television recently?

    • Replies: @International Jew
    What lesson should we draw from that advertisement?
    , @Desiderius
    Those are made with whites in mind. They get a frission of high status pleasure by basking in not noticing all the blacks in all the ads.

    In order to keep getting the same high, they’ve now had to go to miscegenation.
  24. Emmit is now the #1 most popular baby name for aborted fetuses in NY state.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Heh! Edgy, very very edgy .... but funny nonetheless.
  25. @Steve Sailer
    I found three examples of "Becky" being used as an anti-white slur in the New York Times in the last few months from reading articles about white women being mean to blacks.

    I haven't looked in general for the text "Becky" because there are lots of links to women named Becky. But in Google you can see an excerpt and quickly distinguish references to women named Becky from the racial slur.

    I see ‘Becky’ used in a racially hostile way, but not so much as to demean Beckys for being somehow ‘less than’ but rather for their innate capacity through whiteness/attractiveness to be innately ‘more than.’

    ‘Becky’ is raced-based hostility, but is it a slur or is it an invective?

    I’ll take Becky over Aunt Jemima any day of the week.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I’ll take Becky over Aunt Jemima any day of the week.
     
    Wait ... are we talking sex or syrup here?
    , @Forbes
    How 'bout Mrs. Butterworth...
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I’ll take Becky over Aunt Jemima any day of the week.
     
    Not on my pancakes.

    I worked with a black Jemima once, but this was in England, and she was an "Island Girl". Jemima is not that uncommon a name for white girls in the UK. The daughter in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang is Jemima.

    (The mother is a weepy moron. Ian Fleming really was a misogynist, going by that.)
  26. The elite need to accept that they are the elite and take on the sense of noblesse oblige that comes with it.

    Jews are particularly allergic to this. I tried to tell a co-religionist that we tended to be wealthier than average and she shut down. This was in private and we are as close as a male female wholly platonic relationship should be.

    If you can’t accept your power you’ll hardly fulfil your responsibilities. (Not that either of us have power but in principle.)

    Years ago I mentioned that half of people are below average intelligence and she also shut down but whatever.

    I don’t think that Jews are the magic piece of the puzzle but we are a somewhat discrete case study. Work out how to engender feelings of patriotic duties in Jews and that solution should be strong enough for most people.

    I have a million ideas. Many that I’ve tried. Some are harsh and some are kind. Any suggestions?

    • Replies: @Meretricious
    Is there anyone left on this discussion forum who is not Jewish?
    , @Stan d Mute

    Years ago I mentioned that half of people are below average intelligence and she also shut down but whatever.
     

    I have a million ideas. Many that I’ve tried. Some are harsh and some are kind. Any suggestions?
     
    Eugenics, forced sterilization, that kind of stupid cannot be fixed and must be extirpated.
    , @Alec Leamas

    The elite need to accept that they are the elite and take on the sense of noblesse oblige that comes with it.

    Jews are particularly allergic to this. I tried to tell a co-religionist that we tended to be wealthier than average and she shut down. This was in private and we are as close as a male female wholly platonic relationship should be.
     
    The Jewish origin myth in America is that they're simultaneously both eternal victims and clever, tireless, economic supermen. Zaida Mordechai fled the Czar and the Pogroms, arrived in New York with pocket lint and a work ethic, and despite having been the victim of grave antisemitism because of a refusal to admit him to the choice Country Club in town made a great fortune by dint of his superior intelligence and hard work. Also, FDR refused to admit Jewish refugees before the Holocaust, which is naturally an evil visited upon us by Southern White Evangelical Israel Fanboys who deserve punishment.

    Jews giving up the notion that they're both: a) history's victims on par with chattel slaves; and b) entirely deserving of their place in society by merit alone isn't something I'd stake a dollar on.
    , @TheBoom
    Proposal: Jews magically are nationalistic to the max when they live in their own country (e.g., Israel). Therefore, since jews control more than any other group the US, it is in Jews self interest to be patriotic and look out for the welfare of the country. LOL. Who am I kidding!
    , @Anon
    Create an online dating service where Jewish men marry shiksas.

    Call it shiksa-date.com

    There has likely been genetic pressure which amplified opportunism in the Jewish caste. But the Bronze Age "chosen people" mythology is the gasoline on the fire. Only intermarriage -- i.e., interbreeding -- is weeding it out at this point. Thinkers have noticed the exact same characteristics in European Jews for centuries,

    Sorry.
    , @Desiderius
    The root of the problem is that they’re not elite and deep down they know it. Everything else flows from that.
  27. @Steve Sailer
    Right, in old NYT articles "white privilege" often is used in reference to South Africa.

    Forty years later, look where things are headed in South Africa.

  28. What about white courtesy? As in “White courtesy phone”.

  29. @Tyrion 2
    The elite need to accept that they are the elite and take on the sense of noblesse oblige that comes with it.

    Jews are particularly allergic to this. I tried to tell a co-religionist that we tended to be wealthier than average and she shut down. This was in private and we are as close as a male female wholly platonic relationship should be.

    If you can't accept your power you'll hardly fulfil your responsibilities. (Not that either of us have power but in principle.)

    Years ago I mentioned that half of people are below average intelligence and she also shut down but whatever.

    I don't think that Jews are the magic piece of the puzzle but we are a somewhat discrete case study. Work out how to engender feelings of patriotic duties in Jews and that solution should be strong enough for most people.

    I have a million ideas. Many that I've tried. Some are harsh and some are kind. Any suggestions?

    Is there anyone left on this discussion forum who is not Jewish?

  30. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    To repeat for the billionth time: Till was not innocent.

    White people who lived in 50% black areas did not--repeat, did not--just lynch random "youths" for no reason.

    Yup somewhere here on Unz i think by Unz himself is a pretty good case for Tills guilt of menacing and sexual assault and other embarrassing details the left wont mention
    What isn’t said is the scientifically documented facts are blacks are dangerous if ever given the impression they will not be immediately consequented. They have low future time orientation are stupid aggressive arrogant and sexually aggressive. They also angry and resentful envious at what nature has given them and if dealt with gently on things like harassment sexual assault et will quickly follow through with rape and murder.Like all punishment of animals including whites if done swiftly and consistently there really isnt much need to do much there were fewer blacks in prisons in the bad old days they knew better than to act out,now they know chances are they will get away with many many crimes probably for years before being caught for one and when caught the penalty will be light

  31. @Dave Pinsen
    Being judged as a representative of a nonwhite group can an advantage though, as the bar is lowered for you. The most obvious example is Obama, but examples abound in university faculties, on corporate boards, etc.

    As for most products being pitched with whites in mind, have you seen any ads on television recently?

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1010984937296748544?s=21

    What lesson should we draw from that advertisement?

    • Replies: @Thirdtwin
    "What lesson should we draw from that advertisement?"

    That black women are totally cool with white bit--- women and black men together?
    , @bomag
    What lesson should we draw from that advertisement?

    I'm going to leave that as a rhetorical question.

    I started with, "drink Poland Spring and be racially balanced"; and ended with, "the segregationists were right."
  32. Speaking of Narratives waxing and waning

    I recently met a German guy about my age who was vacationing in America

    We talked World Cup and Team Germany for a while which led to him telling me he was aware there has been a deliberate campaign to suppress feelings of nationalism among Germans and he went on to say that the country really needed to move on because “it’s been 80 years”.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    27, Good luck with that. Slavery in the US ended in 1865, unless you read the MSM or listen to NPR or watch PBS, in which case it ended recently or maybe not at all.
    , @GourmetDan

    We talked World Cup and Team Germany for a while which led to him telling me he was aware there has been a deliberate campaign to suppress feelings of nationalism among Germans and he went on to say that the country really needed to move on because “it’s been 80 years”.
     
    People just need to wake up and realize that suppressing any positive campaigns for any group is simply an effort to control that group... likewise promoting any group is an effort to empower that group... it's coordinated because certain people want certain outcomes that wouldn't normally occur.
  33. @Buddwing
    I used to doubt that "white privilege" existed, until I actually read things like McIntosh's "Invisible Knapsack" and realized that what it comes down to is just a few things that are quite true:

    1) Traditional American society has rather broad and flat circles of trust, which by default include white americans and exclude blacks and foreigners, who are held in a lower level of trust.

    2) As a consequence of being situated within a circle of trust, a white person is judged as an individual, rather than as a representative of an external group.

    3) White Americans have a large population and are widely distributed. They dominate most markets, so most products appeal to this large market.

    You see, "privilege" is not a degree of advantage, it a membership thing, like being a Shriner, or a Mason, or a Mafioso.

    Read McIntosh and you can map the examples she lists. Most of this is pretty obviously true, but not talked about much. What is strange is that labelling these bland facts "white privilege" makes people resist considering questions like

    "Which of these things is actually bad?"
    "Would a society where they were less true be a better society?"
    "Why does McIntosh want to 'lessen them?'"
    "Did our broad, flat trust structure allow a more fluid and rapidly developing society than the more narrow and hierarchical European societies could manage?"

    I agree with Anne Coulter. White privilege is the ability to speak badly of a deranged criminal even when they share your skin colour.

  34. How would an intellectual conformist like Sarah Jeong learn that hate hoaxes are even a thing? Would any of her tenured Harvard Law School professors have dared mention their existence in a lecture?

    She graduated a year before the Harvard Law School black masking tape hoax. That could have been a learning experience for her.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Is it know that she graduated from HLS? I've seen doubt--due to statements that she "attended," rather than graduated. I'd also seen reports (possibly here on iSteve) that she wasn't listed in the alumni directory.
  35. When I try to go to the 2nd page or view as 1 page, get a message “Disallowed Key Character”. Taki is always a bit clunky.

  36. @J.Ross
    OT briefly I cannot do this justice but there was a stunning example of several current themes in yesterday's Terry Gross interview with NYT journalist James Kirkpatrick. Kirkpatrick is an all but official defender of several disastrous Obama policies, especially the Arab Spring mess, and the interview focused on rehabilitating murderous Muslim Brotherhood terrorist Muhammad Morsi, who was described as "democratically elected" (technically true, screamingly wrong in context), whose Ikhwan membership was not brought up until deep into the interview.
    Sisi is represented as evil but there is no mention of the fact that he took over because Morsi gratuitously lied (he got elected because he made like he wasn't going to be an Islamist) and Morsi was exterminating Christians. Kirkpatrick flat out lies in a typical Obamist snarky snipe when he claimed that James Mattis's problem with Morsi amounted to calling him "bossy." Ikhwan/MB do not believe in exactly the same Salafism seen in Saudi Arabia, but they definitely believe in making society look more like a certain hystrionic TV series, so, yeah, "bossy," totally reasonable description.
    Kirkpatrick's shtick is to try to use Chomskyite tricks that made sense a long time ago and then pretend that the Iraq War or the destruction of Libya didn't happen -- he points out that authoritarians talk up extremists to justify their authoritarianism. Well, yes. What cannot be denied now that we tested that premise is that the extremists actually exist (and are very "bossy").
    People talk about things being offensive but this is blindingly maddening. Someone said the other night that the neocons were trying to distance themselves from the Iraq mess. Not Kirkpatrick. He styles himself as a plucky exposer of the Trump administration's connections to the current leaders of the Arab world (Oh nefarious plotters! How dare you meet with your colleagues and discuss containing bossy extremists!).
    Read Stephen Coughlin's book Catastrophic Failure. If you already have, you can visualize Kirkpatrick giving the four fingers. Kirkpatrick briefly mentions one of Coughlin's thoroughly demonstrated points -- that Obama was about as compromised by Ikhwan ideology as possible without being a Muslim, to the extent of firing critics and embracing Ikhwan definitions and rules -- as conspiracy theory. Which is funny considering all of this can be checked. Yes, Obama did fire people (like Coughlin) who resisyed the program, and yes, Obama did embrace MB definitions (thus that wierd awkwardness over what to call ISIS, or the idea that you are not allowed to use the term umma).
    Bonus: he reveals, like he's pulling the Panama Papers out of his pre-weatherd-leather messenger bag, that he has heard a recording of Egyptian state security people making sure that Egyptian talk show hosts calm everyone down about the US embassy moving to Jerusalem. Sisi, when not perfidiously protecting Christians, tries to (partially) defuse Arab anti-Semitism. What a monster!
    So the next time you hear that the US State Department is understaffed by Trump, remember what they're capable of when fully staffed.

    I was in Egypt during the revolution/Al Sisi coup. The people I met were ecstatic. I can’t get over how many Westerners don’t realise that he is a moderate patriot doing an exceedingly difficult job.

    Morsi lied horrifically to gain power and then proceeded to try to start a cultural revolution. Practically everyone in the region knew that he had become bad news. When you have backbenchers proposing that the “pagan” pyramids should be hidden under wax, you know you’re not dealing with people who care about their culture, history and society.

    • Replies: @Anon

    . I can’t get over how many Westerners don’t realise that he is a moderate patriot doing an exceedingly difficult job.
     
    I agree, but perhaps the people you met were not entirely representative? Not that I think the majority of Egyptians actually support Morsi-ism, but there's a bit much extreme fringe-Islamic weirdness in Egypt for comfort.
    , @Hamlet's Ghost
    Not to mention simple intelligence. How long would wax stay on a pyramid before it melted in the sun and ran down to a massive puddle on the ground?
    , @J.Ross
    It really is true that in following foreign policy news you need to sketch out whatever the opposite is of what American mainstream news reports. It's like living in a communist country in that respect.
    , @Ibound1
    Egypt was on the verge of a true disaster under Morsi. Egypt imports over 50% of their caloric requirements and they had only six weeks of foreign exchange left when he was deposed. Wheat prices were way up, fuel suppliers were refusing credit to Egypt, the government could not afford the subsidies to keep prices down, no one was investing in Egypt, tourism was drying up and the Saudis and the Gulf were refusing to help very much, as they saw Morsi's Islamism as a threat. Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood were like deers in the headlights. They could not govern the country. The only competent or semi-competent institution in Egypt stepped in - the army.
    , @Jack D
    Only wax - a bunch of infidels who clearly do not take their Islam seriously. The Taliban would have used dynamite.
  37. @Anon
    What is it that happened in 2012 and 2014 that made the left loose their minds? Hm...

    I bet if we could broaden the number of search terms, we could find an even more interesting trend, perhaps one corresponding to US elections.

    2012: white privilege (black guy running for office against white man)

    2014: Emmet Till (BLM, mid-term elections)

    2016: Alt-right?

    “2016: Alt-right?”

    Dana Schutz.

  38. @International Jew
    What lesson should we draw from that advertisement?

    “What lesson should we draw from that advertisement?”

    That black women are totally cool with white bit— women and black men together?

  39. This is an excellent column on one of your signature topics, Steve. I can’t think of anyone else who analyzes the media’s gatekeeping power at this level of sophistication.

    Very well done.

  40. @Tyrion 2
    The elite need to accept that they are the elite and take on the sense of noblesse oblige that comes with it.

    Jews are particularly allergic to this. I tried to tell a co-religionist that we tended to be wealthier than average and she shut down. This was in private and we are as close as a male female wholly platonic relationship should be.

    If you can't accept your power you'll hardly fulfil your responsibilities. (Not that either of us have power but in principle.)

    Years ago I mentioned that half of people are below average intelligence and she also shut down but whatever.

    I don't think that Jews are the magic piece of the puzzle but we are a somewhat discrete case study. Work out how to engender feelings of patriotic duties in Jews and that solution should be strong enough for most people.

    I have a million ideas. Many that I've tried. Some are harsh and some are kind. Any suggestions?

    Years ago I mentioned that half of people are below average intelligence and she also shut down but whatever.

    I have a million ideas. Many that I’ve tried. Some are harsh and some are kind. Any suggestions?

    Eugenics, forced sterilization, that kind of stupid cannot be fixed and must be extirpated.

  41. Yes, Steve, but as you are aware Emmett Till’s killers have increased in influence and ubiquity in the last decade or so, while Al Sharpton has receded into obscurity.

  42. @Tyrion 2
    The elite need to accept that they are the elite and take on the sense of noblesse oblige that comes with it.

    Jews are particularly allergic to this. I tried to tell a co-religionist that we tended to be wealthier than average and she shut down. This was in private and we are as close as a male female wholly platonic relationship should be.

    If you can't accept your power you'll hardly fulfil your responsibilities. (Not that either of us have power but in principle.)

    Years ago I mentioned that half of people are below average intelligence and she also shut down but whatever.

    I don't think that Jews are the magic piece of the puzzle but we are a somewhat discrete case study. Work out how to engender feelings of patriotic duties in Jews and that solution should be strong enough for most people.

    I have a million ideas. Many that I've tried. Some are harsh and some are kind. Any suggestions?

    The elite need to accept that they are the elite and take on the sense of noblesse oblige that comes with it.

    Jews are particularly allergic to this. I tried to tell a co-religionist that we tended to be wealthier than average and she shut down. This was in private and we are as close as a male female wholly platonic relationship should be.

    The Jewish origin myth in America is that they’re simultaneously both eternal victims and clever, tireless, economic supermen. Zaida Mordechai fled the Czar and the Pogroms, arrived in New York with pocket lint and a work ethic, and despite having been the victim of grave antisemitism because of a refusal to admit him to the choice Country Club in town made a great fortune by dint of his superior intelligence and hard work. Also, FDR refused to admit Jewish refugees before the Holocaust, which is naturally an evil visited upon us by Southern White Evangelical Israel Fanboys who deserve punishment.

    Jews giving up the notion that they’re both: a) history’s victims on par with chattel slaves; and b) entirely deserving of their place in society by merit alone isn’t something I’d stake a dollar on.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Jews giving up the notion that they’re both: a) history’s victims on par with chattel slaves; and b) entirely deserving of their place in society by merit alone isn’t something I’d stake a dollar on.

    Two-thirds of European Jewry was murdered in a seven year period within living memory. There are figures in the Iranian government who would like to stage a repeat performance.
    , @Johann Ricke

    Jews giving up the notion that they’re both: a) history’s victims on par with chattel slaves;
     
    On par? Having half your brethren killed isn't on par with being enslaved - something that most of humanity has had some experience with, as a result of losing battles - it's far worse.
  43. @Buddwing
    It is worth reading the LOOK magazine article describing an escalating set of mutual provocation that led to the murder.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/till-killers-confession/

    Having read the _Look_article, it changes things. In that place, in those circumstances, when the woman was frightened enough to get her pistol (which is not an over-reaction), what should the reaction be?

    Well, it has to be sufficient so that even when you are out of town, a gang of blacks will not will not terrorize your wife, as they have already done. Indeed, his community demanded exactly that response; one of Till’s relatives told him he should exile himself immediately. So, the condition was grave.

  44. Has anybody noticed that you can’t pull up Taki’s Magazine on Google Chrome?

    • Replies: @jim jones
    What are you, a teenage girl?

    http://magaimg.net/img/5wmh.jpg
  45. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I predicted in my book "America's Half-Blood Prince: Barack Obama's "Story of Race and Inheritance" that the first Obama term would be pretty restrained on racial matters but the second term would be pretty intense.

    My impression is that the Obama Administration greenlighted various race and sex resentment people to get out the vote in 2012, and by 2013 the gloves were off: to the winners belong the spoils and a lot of people in the Obama Administration were champing at the bit to finally stick it to their enemies now that re-election had been won. The change in atmosphere from 2011 to 2013 was quite noticeable, which led to Ferguson in 2014 and the Late Obama Age Collapse in 2015-16, which led to Trump.

    The change in atmosphere from 2011 to 2013 was quite noticeable, which led to Ferguson in 2014 and the Late Obama Age Collapse in 2015-16, which led to Trump.

    But the political ‘lesson’ of the 1992 riots is that – contrary to the previous post-Nixon consensus – rioting blacks are good for the Democratic Party. I remember the tension as the 20th anniversary of those events approached. (This was the start of the Trayvon affair.) Everybody, on both sides, was silently thinking about 1992. The media were deliberately trying to start another big riot. However nobody dared publicly criticise them for it.

    There were no big riots, but a lot of low-level unrest, and Obama was re-elected a short while later – apparently confirming the ‘lesson’. After that all restraints were off.

  46. @Anonymous
    To repeat for the billionth time: Till was not innocent.

    White people who lived in 50% black areas did not--repeat, did not--just lynch random "youths" for no reason.

    They beat him to death for trivial reasons, something well understood by the local prosecutor and, ultimately the local populace, who ran Bryant and Milam out of town.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    They beat him to death for trivial reasons
     
    Trivial? Perhaps to you, but not to most men in the South (or anywhere if we’re talking men and not women with a penis). Sexually harass or intimidate my wife and see what happens. I doubt death would result, but you wouldn’t want to look in the mirror for a while. If that harassment becomes physical, however, all bets are off.

    At worst, you can say Till’s punishment didn’t fit the crime. But that boy definitely deserved a thorough beating.

    Here’s your (current year) Emmet Till:

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/sites/default/files/styles/content_full_width/public/field/image/articles/beatdown.jpg

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2700872/My-son-saved-attackers-life-Father-pounded-admitted-child-molester-bloody-puddle-claims-son-stopped-stabbing-admitted-pedophile-death.html

    Dad says (and I believe him) he’d have killed Emmet Wannabe if his son hadn’t begged him to stop beating the POS. That’s what’s dads and husbands should do.

    , @res

    the local populace, who ran Bryant and Milam out of town.
     
    This is incredibly disingenuous and one of the things that makes your comments look like high end Hasbara more often than I would like.

    Leading up to the trial we saw: http://time.com/5336879/original-emmett-till-case-reopened/

    According to coverage by PBS, the white townspeople raised $10,000 to support the defense case of Bryant and Milam, though they probably did not need the donations to persuade the all-white, all-male jury not to convict. Members of the community resented press from northern states coming down to cover the issue — especially black journalists, who were relegated to a card table in the courtroom and berated by the local sheriff.
     
    Hardly disapproval of the actual event demonstrated there.

    The Look magazine article is what turned the locals against them: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/27/emmett-till-juanita-milam/5873235/

    The Till murder would change their lives forever. Less than a month after the verdict, journalist William Bradford Huie offered to pay the brothers $3,150 for their story. Knowing that double jeopardy prevented them from being tried again, they weaved a tale of kidnapping and murder, yet they were careful enough not to indict any accomplices. Their story, which appeared in the Jan. 24, 1956, issue of Look magazine, contains gross inaccuracies. Nevertheless, the article captivated readers all over the nation.

    Any profiteering off Emmett Till's blood apparently backfired in the end, however. Former friends and supporters, who never really doubted the guilt of the half-brothers to begin with, wanted nothing to do with them once their confession was in print. A year after the murder, the Milams were reported to be living on a farm in Mississippi between Ruleville and Cleveland. Around that time, Huie interviewed the brothers for a follow-up article that also appeared in Look. In the accompanying photographs, both men look happy, but it was obvious the smiles were only a facade. Huie described them as having "been disappointed," explaining further, "They have suffered disillusionment, ingratitude, resentment, misfortune," but as yet, no guilt.

    Few had pity on them. Milam owned no land and could not get his former backers to rent to him. He was finally able to rent 217 acres in Sunflower County with the help of his brother-in-law and secured $4,000 to plant cotton from a Tallahatchie County bank where one of his defense attorneys, John Whitten, sat on the loan committee. Blacks would no longer work for Milam, and that forced him to pay whites a higher wage for the same work.

    He reflected on how the tide had turned, saying his wife and children were having an especially hard time. "I had a lot of friends a year ago," he told Huie. "They contributed to my defense fund — at least they say they did. I never got half of what they say was contributed. I don't know what happened to it, but we never got it."

    For three years, Milam held several menial plantation jobs. The Milams later moved to Orange, Texas, but stayed for only a few years, returning to live near Juanita's parents in Greenville.
     
  47. @Alec Leamas

    The elite need to accept that they are the elite and take on the sense of noblesse oblige that comes with it.

    Jews are particularly allergic to this. I tried to tell a co-religionist that we tended to be wealthier than average and she shut down. This was in private and we are as close as a male female wholly platonic relationship should be.
     
    The Jewish origin myth in America is that they're simultaneously both eternal victims and clever, tireless, economic supermen. Zaida Mordechai fled the Czar and the Pogroms, arrived in New York with pocket lint and a work ethic, and despite having been the victim of grave antisemitism because of a refusal to admit him to the choice Country Club in town made a great fortune by dint of his superior intelligence and hard work. Also, FDR refused to admit Jewish refugees before the Holocaust, which is naturally an evil visited upon us by Southern White Evangelical Israel Fanboys who deserve punishment.

    Jews giving up the notion that they're both: a) history's victims on par with chattel slaves; and b) entirely deserving of their place in society by merit alone isn't something I'd stake a dollar on.

    Jews giving up the notion that they’re both: a) history’s victims on par with chattel slaves; and b) entirely deserving of their place in society by merit alone isn’t something I’d stake a dollar on.

    Two-thirds of European Jewry was murdered in a seven year period within living memory. There are figures in the Iranian government who would like to stage a repeat performance.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Two-thirds of European Jewry was murdered in a seven year period within living memory. There are figures in the Iranian government who would like to stage a repeat performance.
     
    And lots of American WASPS and Gentile proles died and/or were maimed liberating the remainder. Naturally, the event should be used indefinitely as a cudgel against the grandchildren of the former.
  48. About 16,000 people are murdered in a typical year in this country. This one had some odd features in re the properties of the perpetrators, the victim, and the legal disposition of the case. You’ve made your case that The New York Times is exploiting the event for propaganda purposes, something they do nowadays (remember the 30+ stories Howell Raines commissioned on the membership policies of one particular golf club in Georgia?).

  49. @Art Deco
    Jews giving up the notion that they’re both: a) history’s victims on par with chattel slaves; and b) entirely deserving of their place in society by merit alone isn’t something I’d stake a dollar on.

    Two-thirds of European Jewry was murdered in a seven year period within living memory. There are figures in the Iranian government who would like to stage a repeat performance.

    Two-thirds of European Jewry was murdered in a seven year period within living memory. There are figures in the Iranian government who would like to stage a repeat performance.

    And lots of American WASPS and Gentile proles died and/or were maimed liberating the remainder. Naturally, the event should be used indefinitely as a cudgel against the grandchildren of the former.

  50. @Tyrion 2
    The elite need to accept that they are the elite and take on the sense of noblesse oblige that comes with it.

    Jews are particularly allergic to this. I tried to tell a co-religionist that we tended to be wealthier than average and she shut down. This was in private and we are as close as a male female wholly platonic relationship should be.

    If you can't accept your power you'll hardly fulfil your responsibilities. (Not that either of us have power but in principle.)

    Years ago I mentioned that half of people are below average intelligence and she also shut down but whatever.

    I don't think that Jews are the magic piece of the puzzle but we are a somewhat discrete case study. Work out how to engender feelings of patriotic duties in Jews and that solution should be strong enough for most people.

    I have a million ideas. Many that I've tried. Some are harsh and some are kind. Any suggestions?

    Proposal: Jews magically are nationalistic to the max when they live in their own country (e.g., Israel). Therefore, since jews control more than any other group the US, it is in Jews self interest to be patriotic and look out for the welfare of the country. LOL. Who am I kidding!

  51. Anon[353] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2
    The elite need to accept that they are the elite and take on the sense of noblesse oblige that comes with it.

    Jews are particularly allergic to this. I tried to tell a co-religionist that we tended to be wealthier than average and she shut down. This was in private and we are as close as a male female wholly platonic relationship should be.

    If you can't accept your power you'll hardly fulfil your responsibilities. (Not that either of us have power but in principle.)

    Years ago I mentioned that half of people are below average intelligence and she also shut down but whatever.

    I don't think that Jews are the magic piece of the puzzle but we are a somewhat discrete case study. Work out how to engender feelings of patriotic duties in Jews and that solution should be strong enough for most people.

    I have a million ideas. Many that I've tried. Some are harsh and some are kind. Any suggestions?

    Create an online dating service where Jewish men marry shiksas.

    Call it shiksa-date.com

    There has likely been genetic pressure which amplified opportunism in the Jewish caste. But the Bronze Age “chosen people” mythology is the gasoline on the fire. Only intermarriage — i.e., interbreeding — is weeding it out at this point. Thinkers have noticed the exact same characteristics in European Jews for centuries,

    Sorry.

  52. Anonymous[125] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: this story might be of interest. So far I’ve seen nothing indicating whether the adults involved are immigrants, but I get the impression they might be:

    https://www.krqe.com/news/new-mexico/taos-county-compound-body-of-unidentified-child-found-five-adults-head-to-court/1352158994

  53. @Anonymous
    To repeat for the billionth time: Till was not innocent.

    White people who lived in 50% black areas did not--repeat, did not--just lynch random "youths" for no reason.

    He may have made a pass at a married white woman but that doesn’t justify brutal murder.

    I would say that his murderers and their jurors set whites back by a century but I’m sure our (((elites))) would have found another case to beat whites over the head with 60+ years later.

    • Replies: @bomag

    I would say that his murderers and their jurors set whites back by a century...
     
    1855 redux?

    ... but I’m sure our (((elites))) would have found another case to beat whites over the head with 60+ years later.
     
    Yes, and Black crime, and cases such as OJ Simpson, don't seem to harm the Black brand. Only Whites have agency, apparently.
    , @SMK
    The point is that the murder of Till was exceptional. The typical black who was lynched was not a 13-year-0ld who flirted with a married woman but a low-IQ savage who brutally raped and/or murdered a white woman or adolescent girl, a subhuman beast like the Carr Brothers and Knoxville savages. And well over a thousand white males were also lynched, usually for similar crimes.

    The left-liberal white-hating media lies even when it tells the truth, generally, about an atypical lynching, emphasizing a murder that was rare as a symbol of white evil and "raicsm" while denying, ignoring, distorting, and suppressing the realities of lynching in general.

  54. @Anonymous
    To repeat for the billionth time: Till was not innocent.

    White people who lived in 50% black areas did not--repeat, did not--just lynch random "youths" for no reason.

    NO reason – no. But tiny offenses – yes. Till, in the worst possible telling of what he did, made a verbal sexual proposition to a white woman (without ever touching her). BECAUSE this was a 50% black area, whites believed that they only way they could maintain order and keep their women from being raped was to maintain broad and strict lines of racial separation that blacks could not cross, on penalty of (extralegal) death. Till, being an outsider from Chicago, was unaware of and crossed this invisible line. Most local blacks, well aware of the lines and the penalty for crossing them, did not dare cross them and thus avoided being lynched. Under the unwritten code of the South, Till was not “innocent” but the code itself was both extralegal and immoral. In no just society is the penalty for an unwanted proposition death – that’s taking #Me Too too far.

    • Replies: @Anon

    Till, in the worst possible telling of what he did, made a verbal sexual proposition to a white woman (without ever touching her).
     
    This sentence is demonstrably untrue, see the magazine article the other guy posted for a demonstration.

    Obviously murder was a disproportionate punishment for this sort of "dissing", even by the standards of the time and place, but the jury (juries, actually) presumably feared for the "order" of society if they punished a white man for defending, however speciously, the honor of a white woman.

    , @Anon
    Under the unwritten code of the South, Till was not “innocent” but the code itself was both extralegal and immoral.

    What was immoral about it?
    , @europeasant
    According to the LOOK article he did more than just proposition the married woman.

    "He squeezed her hand and said: "How about a date, baby?"

    She jerked away and started for Juanita Milam. At the break between counters, Bobo jumped in front of her, perhaps caught her at the waist, and said: "You needn't be afraid o' me, Baby. I been with white girls before."

    I agree they should not have killed him for those offenses but in my city Till's people shoot each other every day. Last weekend's toll; 60 shot and 9 dead. Guess who's responsible for 99% of the mayhem?


    Till's father was quite the ladies man himself.
    " A soldier during World War II, Louis Till was executed by the U.S. Army in 1945 after being found guilty of murder and rape. The circumstances of his death were little known even to his family until they were revealed after the trial of his son's murderers ten years later, which affected subsequent discourse on the death of Emmett Till"

    Read the rest here, a most fascinating story;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Till

    , @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    "Till, in the worst possible telling of what he did, made a verbal sexual proposition to a white woman (without ever touching her)."

    Wrong. The burly brute grabbed the diminutive Mrs. Bryant's hand. She just barely managed to wrestle herself away from him. It was only as the terrified woman ran to her car that he gave the lewd 'wolf whistle' which the l'chaimstream media (and you) would have us believe was his only offense.

    If he'd have kept his hands to himself, he would never have had a problem (I mean in Mississippi; whether he would have eventually managed to get himself killed after returning to Chicago like so many other good boys who dindu nuffin remains entirely speculative). In any event, I shed no more tears for him than I do for his rapist-murderer biological father, upon whom justice was served by means of a US Army noose and a quick drop.
    , @AnotherDad

    NO reason – no. But tiny offenses – yes. Till, in the worst possible telling of what he did, made a verbal sexual proposition to a white woman (without ever touching her).
     
    Jack, this is false, as other commenters have pointed out.

    But the interesting thing here is that you--an intelligent and knowledgeable, non-liberal--think it is true. As did i before reading alternative media.

    The "official story" that the NYT and establishment media tried to convery was that an innocent black boy was harmlessly flirting with a white woman and was killed for it. The NYT wants us to think it was a "hey baby" and a "wolfwhistle".

    In fact, Till's was very aggressive behavior. The second part of rushing to block her path,perhaps grabbing her waist is the kind of thing that could be a prelude to rape and would make any woman concerned, upset--if it's not that gal's Christian Grey that she actually wants to be taken by. This woman Carolyn Byrant is off in the middle of nowhere with a bunch of blacks out front and one--who has made his intentions clear--messing with her.

    Once these events were "the talk" amongst the blacks, her husband Roy pretty much had to do something. You can't run a store off in the middle of nowhere--much less where you're going to be away and leave your wife there surrounded by black clientel--if you let blacks think this behavior is tolerable.

    Unfortunately--for the rest of us--Till was a first class a*hole hardcase and wouldn't just suck it up and tuck under, in which case an ass whooping would have ended it. So we've had to listen to the NYT lecture us incessantly on our sins for the next 50.

    What this case actually demonstrates is the time honored truth--separate peoples do not belong together. One people, one culture, one standard, one nation ... much happier situation.
    , @Autochthon

    Because this was a fifty per cent black area, whites believed that they only way they could maintain order and keep their women from being raped was to maintain broad and strict lines of racial separation that blacks could not cross, on penalty of (extralegal) death.
     
    I call shenanigans in two parts:

    1. Was this belief merely that – a belief – or was it not the case? Is it not the case now? With integration, and even miscegenation, rampant how much order is maintained amongst Negroes and how well are white women being prevented from being raped by Negroes?

    2. Belief or fact, was a policy of segregation and strict rules a result of half the population's being black, or are you being a bit careless about proximate cause because the policy is in fact necessitated by Negroes' penchant for violence (including rape, and especially against those of other races – dwarfing, in fact, other races' penchants for interracial violence and, especially, rape...).

    As to whether this or that punishment is excessive or this or that crime, I say that's a question without an objective and unchanging answer. We don't live in the diagesis of The Makkado or in a polynomial equation. Here in the real world, what might seem excessive in one context may well be the minimal requirement to maintain order in another. Those scandallaised by the harshness of military discipline have usually never served in combat, or even aboard a ship underway, and those scandalised by the Mean White People of the southeastern U.S.A. in the twentieth century have usually never lived in situations where they were surrounded by Negroes. (I almost wrote "dangerous Negroes," but I realised redundancy makes bad writing.)
  55. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    Emmitt Till was not an innocent “boy” – instead he was a very sexually aggressive teen who was seriously sexually harassing a married Southern Woman.

    Southerners – Black and White have a strong sense of honor and do like their wives, daughters, mothers to be sexually harassed or raped.

    No, Emmitt Till did not deserve to be killed, instead he should have received a serious as* whooping.

    And why didn’t Emmitt Till’s mother and father do a better job of raising him, teaching him to respect married women?

    One reason is that Emmitt Till’s father wasn’t around because he was:

    Arrested
    Prosecuted and convicted then
    EXECUTED for raping many Italian women when he was a solider in the US army during World War II.

    Like father like son.

    • Replies: @OFWHAP
    I can't believe it took until comment 54 for someone to bring up Emmitt Till's father's story.
  56. @Reg Cæsar

    Emmett Till, who was murdered by whites in 1955
     
    He was murdered by the husband and brother-in-law of the woman he is claimed to have metooed. So it's at least as much a crime of passion as of racial animus, if not more so.

    This is conveniently kept out of most accounts. The murders of Harvey Milk and Matthew Shepard are given the same treatment. As are the videos of Rodney Glen King's and other police beatings.

    What if Till were white? Would he have been murdered then?

    That depends on what kind of white. A mouthy Irish kid from Chicago? Possibly. Local white trash? Maybe, maybe not; might depend on the family. The son of the local sheriff? Almost certainly not.

    I disagree with you. Till’s offense was not just that he was an outsider that had propositioned someone’s woman, it was that he was doing so while crossing racial lines. A white kid from Chicago might had merited a beating for doing what Till did, but they would not have killed him.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    A white kid from Chicago might had merited a beating for doing what Till did, but they would not have killed him.
     
    He'd be a "Yankee". That's who Southerners hate, not their beloved African pets.

    Till was euthanized, like so many here want to do with pit bulls.
  57. @eah
    Suggestion: do the same for the word "Holocaust" -- don't forget to capitalize it.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkCx077UwAAipJQ.jpg

    Alternate idea: instead of censorship, FB should ask these 'Holocaust' experts to provide a reply to any content on FB they find wrong or offensive -- FB should then publish it right beside the wrong/offensive content in a way that no one could miss it -- then readers could compare and decide for themselves.

    Holocaust-Leugnerin Ursula Haverbeck scheitert in Karlsruhe

    89 y/o Ursula Haverbeck lost her appeal and must spend two years in jail.

    Americans need to consider if they want such things to happen in the US -- because it's the next step.

    Due to the 1st Amendment, Holocaust denial and espousal of Nazi ideology cannot be made a crime in the US. Germany has no exact equivalent of the 1st Amendment and, for obvious reasons, believes that it is important to prevent a revival of Nazism which not only destroyed European Jewry but also caused immeasurable damage to Germany itself. America has a long history of protection of free speech (and no history of starting world wars) so it strikes the balance in a different way. I’d say that both countries got it right for their own conditions.

    • Replies: @Anon

    Germany... believes that it is important to prevent a revival of Nazism
     
    England believes that it is important to prevent a revival of Cromwellism, but somehow they manage to do it without locking people up who mention the Good Old Cause.

    The US believed it was very important to prevent the growth of Communism but some people got all upset when other people asked them questions starting with "Are you now or have you ever been ...".
    , @eah
    Due to the 1st Amendment, Holocaust denial and espousal of Nazi ideology cannot be made a crime in the US.

    Are you sure about that?

    Germany has no exact equivalent of the 1st Amendment...

    Is that so!?

    Frau Haverbeck is German -- the German equivalent of the US Constitution is the s.g. Grundgesetz (GG) -- Artikel 5 of the GG says: Jeder hat das Recht, seine Meinung in Wort, Schrift und Bild frei zu äußern und zu verbreiten und sich aus allgemein zugänglichen Quellen ungehindert zu unterrichten -- rough translation: 'Everyone has the right to free expression' (Wort = speech, Schrift = writing) -- that seems pretty clear, right? -- so what happened? -- the Bundestag enacted a new law that is now known as § 130, and it defines Volksverhetzung ('inciting racial hatred') as a crime -- so-called 'Holocaust denial' is prosecuted under this law; they just stipulate that 'denying the Holocaust' is equivalent to 'inciting racial hatred' against Jews -- the German high court (Bundesverfassungsgericht) ruled this law is not incompatible with Artikel 5 of the GG: Am 13. April 1994 entschied das Bundesverfassungsgericht, dass Holocaustleugnung nicht unter das Grundrecht der Meinungsfreiheit nach Art. 5 Absatz 1 des Grundgesetzes fällt: Es handele sich bei der Holocaustleugnung um eine „unwahre Tatsachenbehauptung“, also das Bestreiten einer vielfach erwiesenen Tatsache, die für sich nicht vom Recht der Meinungsfreiheit gedeckt sei,... -- basically they ruled that saying something counter to an established historical fact (!) like the 'Holocaust' is not covered by Artikel 5 of the GG -- simple as that.

    I think you are naive about what might happen in America in the future if Americans are not careful.

    Below is what people in Germany see all the time now -- the Germans actively and heavily censor the internet (using the same law against Volksverhetzung) -- this began in 2017 after what is known as the Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz (NetzDG) was passed.

    https://s26.postimg.cc/u7pf99frd/Netz_DG.jpg
    , @Tono Bungay
    What you say sounds reasonable, but in fact everyone knows that Jewish organizations are pressing for more and more restrictions throughout Europe and in the US. It is political stupidity of the worst sort, because ultimately resentment over those restrictions will be targeted at those who have done the most to get them made into law.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Due to the 1st Amendment, Holocaust denial and espousal of Nazi ideology cannot be made a crime in the US.

    All it would take for denial and/or espousal of Nazi ideology to be made a crime in the US is for someone like Hillary to be elected president and get to name a few Supreme Court justices. Then anything leftists don't like will be proclaimed hate speech and equivalent to yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater. The First Amendment will not protect us.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Germany has no exact equivalent of the 1st Amendment and, for obvious reasons, believes that it is important to prevent a revival of Nazism which not only destroyed European Jewry but also caused immeasurable damage to Germany itself.
     
    I'll defer to our German readers on the specifics of this, but it's my understanding that Germany's prohibitions on National Socialism are not viewed so much as censorship as a form of gang control. The NSDAP and any revivals are treated as criminal gangs.

    With good reason. They stole entire countries.
    , @eah
    it is important to prevent a revival of Nazism

    By jailing an 89 y/o 'Nazi Oma'? -- "LOL" -- one thing about you dude: your opinions are as prosaic as they come.

    Find a video of her and listen to her speak -- she is gentle and soft-spoken -- she is not going to radicalize anyone, and says herself over and over that this is not her intention.

    I guarantee you the danger to Germany does not come from any potential 'Nazi revival'.

    https://s26.postimg.cc/i3x4p6oex/entwicklung-der-asylantraege-1995-2016.jpg

  58. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2
    I was in Egypt during the revolution/Al Sisi coup. The people I met were ecstatic. I can't get over how many Westerners don't realise that he is a moderate patriot doing an exceedingly difficult job.

    Morsi lied horrifically to gain power and then proceeded to try to start a cultural revolution. Practically everyone in the region knew that he had become bad news. When you have backbenchers proposing that the "pagan" pyramids should be hidden under wax, you know you're not dealing with people who care about their culture, history and society.

    . I can’t get over how many Westerners don’t realise that he is a moderate patriot doing an exceedingly difficult job.

    I agree, but perhaps the people you met were not entirely representative? Not that I think the majority of Egyptians actually support Morsi-ism, but there’s a bit much extreme fringe-Islamic weirdness in Egypt for comfort.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Part of what made Kirkpatrick's slanted history so offensive is neocons are pretty much the only people who talk like this (cf people who still claim that Saddam Hussein was working with Osama bin Laden). It's an extreme and delusional position they hope to normalize with Streisanding media coverage.
  59. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Due to the 1st Amendment, Holocaust denial and espousal of Nazi ideology cannot be made a crime in the US. Germany has no exact equivalent of the 1st Amendment and, for obvious reasons, believes that it is important to prevent a revival of Nazism which not only destroyed European Jewry but also caused immeasurable damage to Germany itself. America has a long history of protection of free speech (and no history of starting world wars) so it strikes the balance in a different way. I'd say that both countries got it right for their own conditions.

    Germany… believes that it is important to prevent a revival of Nazism

    England believes that it is important to prevent a revival of Cromwellism, but somehow they manage to do it without locking people up who mention the Good Old Cause.

    The US believed it was very important to prevent the growth of Communism but some people got all upset when other people asked them questions starting with “Are you now or have you ever been …”.

  60. @Anonymous
    I wouldn't say that Emmett Till deserved what he got, but I would say he severely transgressed the societal norms and had been apparently warned as to the consequences of doing so. People, white and black, get whacked for being buttheads every year, every week in black communities. So to single him out for martyr treatment is crap and everyone knows it.

    Just the other day, some white guy from Florida was in town for a wedding in NYC and tapped on the window of an SUV waiting outside the hotel where it was held, thinking that it was his Uber. The driver got out and punched him because (I guess) tapping on the window of your ride violates the code of the streets or something. The Florida man fell backwards and hit his head and died a couple of days later.

    https://www.wpbf.com/article/boca-raton-man-is-dead-after-a-violent-assault-in-new-york-city/22665614

    I would say that what Till did was clearly less of an “innocent mistake” regarding the unwritten code of the streets than what this Florida guy did. But, arguably, the code of Mississippi was more unjust because it was part of a whole system of racial control of blacks, while the code of the ghetto streets (while just as violent) seems less focused and organized. However both codes have the tacit endorsement of the population – in all of the 66 shootings last week in Chicago, not a single witness came forward.

    • Replies: @Anon

    But, arguably, the code of Mississippi was more unjust because it was part of a whole system of racial control of blacks, while the code of the ghetto streets (while just as violent) seems less focused and organized
     
    What's wrong with an ethnic group's segregating its women or itself from other groups? The Jews have run such a "system of racial control" for thousands of years.
  61. @Dave Pinsen
    Being judged as a representative of a nonwhite group can an advantage though, as the bar is lowered for you. The most obvious example is Obama, but examples abound in university faculties, on corporate boards, etc.

    As for most products being pitched with whites in mind, have you seen any ads on television recently?

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1010984937296748544?s=21

    Those are made with whites in mind. They get a frission of high status pleasure by basking in not noticing all the blacks in all the ads.

    In order to keep getting the same high, they’ve now had to go to miscegenation.

  62. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    NO reason - no. But tiny offenses - yes. Till, in the worst possible telling of what he did, made a verbal sexual proposition to a white woman (without ever touching her). BECAUSE this was a 50% black area, whites believed that they only way they could maintain order and keep their women from being raped was to maintain broad and strict lines of racial separation that blacks could not cross, on penalty of (extralegal) death. Till, being an outsider from Chicago, was unaware of and crossed this invisible line. Most local blacks, well aware of the lines and the penalty for crossing them, did not dare cross them and thus avoided being lynched. Under the unwritten code of the South, Till was not "innocent" but the code itself was both extralegal and immoral. In no just society is the penalty for an unwanted proposition death - that's taking #Me Too too far.

    Till, in the worst possible telling of what he did, made a verbal sexual proposition to a white woman (without ever touching her).

    This sentence is demonstrably untrue, see the magazine article the other guy posted for a demonstration.

    Obviously murder was a disproportionate punishment for this sort of “dissing”, even by the standards of the time and place, but the jury (juries, actually) presumably feared for the “order” of society if they punished a white man for defending, however speciously, the honor of a white woman.

  63. Anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Emmett Till, who was murdered by whites in 1955
     
    He was murdered by the husband and brother-in-law of the woman he is claimed to have metooed. So it's at least as much a crime of passion as of racial animus, if not more so.

    This is conveniently kept out of most accounts. The murders of Harvey Milk and Matthew Shepard are given the same treatment. As are the videos of Rodney Glen King's and other police beatings.

    What if Till were white? Would he have been murdered then?

    That depends on what kind of white. A mouthy Irish kid from Chicago? Possibly. Local white trash? Maybe, maybe not; might depend on the family. The son of the local sheriff? Almost certainly not.

    In the words of one of the lynchers, what really set him off was Till’s claim of scoring with white women.

    As long as I live and can do anything about it, niggers are gonna stay in their place. Niggers ain’t gonna vote where I live. If they did, they’d control the government. They ain’t gonna go to school with my kids. And when a nigger gets close to mentioning sex with a white woman, he’s tired o’ livin’. I’m likely to kill him. Me and my folks fought for this country, and we got some rights. I stood there in that shed and listened to that nigger throw that poison at me, and I just made up my mind.

  64. @Tyrion 2
    The elite need to accept that they are the elite and take on the sense of noblesse oblige that comes with it.

    Jews are particularly allergic to this. I tried to tell a co-religionist that we tended to be wealthier than average and she shut down. This was in private and we are as close as a male female wholly platonic relationship should be.

    If you can't accept your power you'll hardly fulfil your responsibilities. (Not that either of us have power but in principle.)

    Years ago I mentioned that half of people are below average intelligence and she also shut down but whatever.

    I don't think that Jews are the magic piece of the puzzle but we are a somewhat discrete case study. Work out how to engender feelings of patriotic duties in Jews and that solution should be strong enough for most people.

    I have a million ideas. Many that I've tried. Some are harsh and some are kind. Any suggestions?

    The root of the problem is that they’re not elite and deep down they know it. Everything else flows from that.

  65. @Buddwing
    I used to doubt that "white privilege" existed, until I actually read things like McIntosh's "Invisible Knapsack" and realized that what it comes down to is just a few things that are quite true:

    1) Traditional American society has rather broad and flat circles of trust, which by default include white americans and exclude blacks and foreigners, who are held in a lower level of trust.

    2) As a consequence of being situated within a circle of trust, a white person is judged as an individual, rather than as a representative of an external group.

    3) White Americans have a large population and are widely distributed. They dominate most markets, so most products appeal to this large market.

    You see, "privilege" is not a degree of advantage, it a membership thing, like being a Shriner, or a Mason, or a Mafioso.

    Read McIntosh and you can map the examples she lists. Most of this is pretty obviously true, but not talked about much. What is strange is that labelling these bland facts "white privilege" makes people resist considering questions like

    "Which of these things is actually bad?"
    "Would a society where they were less true be a better society?"
    "Why does McIntosh want to 'lessen them?'"
    "Did our broad, flat trust structure allow a more fluid and rapidly developing society than the more narrow and hierarchical European societies could manage?"

    What law abiding blacks want (and I can’t say that I blame them) is to be included inside the trust circle. It must be annoying/infuriating to be a middle class black person and followed around the store because they think that you are a shoplifter and so on. But, what blacks don’t seem to realize is that trust must be earned and that stereotypes don’t come from thin air but are based on reality. What seems to be missing from the black way of looking at this is any desire or willingness to pressure the less law abiding portions of black society to stop doing shit that gives black people a bad reputation. Yes in some cases there has been white overreaction or mistaken reaction (e.g. where whites see a black “burglar” who is breaking into his own home because he has forgotten his keys) but given the crime statistics, it is an understandable and not “racist” assumption that a black dude breaking a window is a burglar and not the homeowner (even if you might give a white “burglar” the benefit of the doubt).

    • Replies: @David
    Non criminal blacks relish the chance to be falsely accused. They provoke it to justify their sense of injury and vindictiveness, adding meaning to their lives.
    , @Marty
    In the '90's on the Berkeley campus, I used to play basketball three times a week with a really nice black guy from Oakland named John. Drove a yellow '76 Buick Skylark. One day he showed up at the gym with a brand new leather Wilson Jet basketball, which retailed for about $60. He casually told me how he had switched the price tags at Copeland's to get it for $24.
    , @res

    What law abiding blacks want (and I can’t say that I blame them) is to be included inside the trust circle.
     
    Understood (and agreed). One thing which complicates this is the subset of blacks who simultaneously want:
    - That.
    - To be tolerated (celebrated even) for "acting black" (e.g. boisterous) whenever they want.
    - Slack for their cousin who really isn't trustworthy.
    - To not hold up the trust norms (e.g. snitches get stitches) in general.

    Those don't go well together.

    This is why treating people as individuals is best. It is supremely ironic that Southerners living with blacks seem to be much better about that while the SJWs can't seem to get beyond the stereotypes of "saintly blacks" and "evil racists."
    , @jb
    I'm a respectable looking white male, and there have been occasions when I have noticed shopkeepers (who where I live are usually non-white) "following me around" and keeping an eye on me in their store. This has generally happened when I was simply using the store as a place to hang out for a while, because I had nothing better to do at the moment.

    I wouldn't be surprised of course if this happens a lot more often to blacks. Could it be that the shopkeepers have noticed that the people who steal from them are far more likely to be black than anything else? Also, I don't think "respectable looking" counts for much, whether you are black or white. What, you think serious shoplifters dress like hobos?
    , @Buddwing
    I actually don't think that anyone has articulated the desire to be included inside the trust circle, because the concept of trust circles, and the related concept of honor circles, is not part of common discourse.

    Instead, we have the misuse of the term "privilege," and the denial, for example, that a working class or poor white person is "privileged." A working class or poor white person can easily access the trust benefits of being white, simply by being of good appearance and showing polite and respectful behavior. (Lose half your teeth or get a face tattoo and you are out, of course.) This is objective reality.

    I would be happy if people stopped cavilling about the existence of the phenomenon and considered it as an adaptive strategy, for example, and considered trust and honor relationships in the same way that people pore over cousin marriages and inheritance customs.

    I commented elsewhere on the frustrations of highly accomplished blacks finding themselves outside the trust circle.
    , @Hunsdon
    Jack D said: What law abiding blacks want (and I can’t say that I blame them) is to be included inside the trust circle.

    Hunsdon said: I'll bet patriotic, America loving Jews feel the same way. But, what Jews don’t seem to realize is that trust must be earned and that stereotypes don’t come from thin air but are based on reality.
    , @Alec Leamas
    I think what all blacks regardless of class or level of intelligence seem to want is respect - most often unearned - rather than trust. The majority of underclass blacks don't seem to care whether the shopkeeper trusts them not to steal, but rather whether the shopkeeper gives them due respect to not suspect them of stealing even if they're then in the act of stealing.

    So much of #BLM makes sense from this perspective - the issue isn't that Michael Brown really had his hands up and was surrendering when he was fatally shot, it's that Wilson should have left him alone in the first place and not investigated the predicate crime, and Wilson certainly should have minded his own business (as if enforcing the law isn't his business) when Brown physically resisted Wilson. Once Brown's criminal co-conspirator put forth the false figleaf that Brown was surrendering when shot, it became a breach of respect due to blacks not to accept this narrative in spite of contrary physical evidence and contemporary truthful testimony corroborated by the physical evidence. It remains so.

    http://therealrevo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/cnn-hands-up.jpg

    This is the respect of the jungle - of fang and claw - not the respect of civil society earned by a history of prosocial behavior, abiding the law, honesty in dealing with others and gentlemanly conduct.
  66. @Anonymous
    To repeat for the billionth time: Till was not innocent.

    White people who lived in 50% black areas did not--repeat, did not--just lynch random "youths" for no reason.

    What is the significance of the “lived in 50% black areas” qualifier?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    greetings, fellow american goy white man!


    the significance is that when you live in a 50% black town you obviously dont go around getting outraged by someone merely existing as a black teenager.
  67. “The growth of “Emmett Till” has correlated closely (r = 0.88) with the similarly increasing ubiquity of the phrase “white privilege.””

    First, correlation does not equal causation.

    Second, not really sure what muddied point you are trying to make here, as your Taki story goes all over the map.

    Third, how many times did the term “white privilege” appear in those articles about Emmett Till from the NYT? You really didn’t say…

    “If your head is stuffed full of the notion of “white privilege,” it’s only natural to remember “Emmett Till,” and vice-versa.”

    IF being the operative word.

    “Emmett Till” and “white privilege” are mutually reinforcing pieces of the mental architecture of the average NYT reader.”

    You are only guessing here. The person would have to actually read the Till story and understand its background and context in relation to his or her knowledge of, and acceptance or rejection of, that concept. Perhaps you could follow up with a story here.

    “In 1987, Tawana Brawley launched our present era of making up hate hoaxes against whites by claiming that the reason she got home late was because she was being gang-raped by six white policemen.”

    First, you are unilaterally making this declaration, which may or may not be accurate. In other words, you have a false premise when it comes to “launching our present era of making up hate hoaxes”.

    Second, indeed while there have been those “hate hoaxes” whose perpetrators have been or ought to have been brought to justice, you are conveniently whitewashing legitimate occurrences within the past 30 years.

    “Now, The New York Times would no doubt answer that it is merely responding to the great surfeit of events related to the Emmett Till case, such as a spat over whether a white artist should be allowed to display a painting of Emmett or whether only black painters should make money off the sacred subject.”

    Bury the lede much?

    “On the other hand, the Times takes pride that it traditionally sets the agenda for the rest of the news business.”

    You are forgetting WaPo and Fox News are also historically involved here.

    “So if the Times says that in 2018 Emmett Till is breaking news while Tawana Brawley is ancient history, lots of other influential media folks will follow its lead.”

    COULD follow its lead. You would need to conduct a search on other news organizations regarding their number of Till stories in 2018 in order to lend support to your assertion, right?

    “Moreover, the press furnishes us with convenient concepts, such as “white privilege,” that make it easier to remember the facts they prefer you to know and harder to remember the facts that undermine the concepts.”

    You mean like how you use “hate hoax” and “race realism”? Couldn’t help but NOTICE.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    First, you are unilaterally making this declaration, which may or may not be accurate. In other words, you have a false premise when it comes to “launching our present era of making up hate hoaxes”.
     
    You move the goalposts awfully quickly. First you say that calling Tawana Brawley incident the pioneer of modern hate hoaxes "may or may not" be accurate and then 5 words later you label it a "false premise".

    And yet you do not rebut Steve in any way. If the Brawley incident is not the 1st prominent modern anti-white hate hoax (there is a long history of false accusations against blacks and Jews), then what is?

    Hate hoaxes are a sign of mob power and mob power can only exist with the consent or willingness to look the other way of the authorities. You'll notice that the Jews of Europe never used to accuse Christians of using Jewish blood to make communion wafers. In the pre-Civil Rights South, blacks never lynched white people for raping their women. So the era of anti-white hate hoaxes was a sign of ascendant black power in America. In the old America, Brawley would have been arrested for making a false report and Sharpton for disturbing the peace and no respectable white newspaper would have given credence to their phony stories, but something changed.


    Second, indeed while there have been those “hate hoaxes” whose perpetrators have been or ought to have been brought to justice, you are conveniently whitewashing legitimate occurrences within the past 30 years.
     
    Sometimes in the old South, there were real incidents where blacks raped white women (and if the mob hadn't lynched them immediately, they would have been eventually found guilty) but that does not keep us from canonizing the innocent martyrs. Emmet Till's own papa was rightfully tried and executed by the US Army for rape and murder but this did not prevent the canonization of Till Jr. That there are real hate crimes in America (and it's funny that if there are, the media keeps on seizing on phony ones instead) does not mitigate the fact that hate hoaxes are a real phenomenon. We know that statistically the rate of white on black rape (let alone white gang rape) is effectively zero (while black on white rapes are so common that they are not newsworthy beyond a couple of lines in the crime blotter) and yet there have been, in the Brawley era, THREE nationally publicized cases of white gang rape (two involving black "victims") that all became celebrated causes flogged in the pages of the NY Times until they turned out not to have happened at all.
    , @res

    “The growth of “Emmett Till” has correlated closely (r = 0.88) with the similarly increasing ubiquity of the phrase “white privilege.””

    First, correlation does not equal causation.
     
    And where does Steve assert it does? I think a more accurate interpretation (not that you care about that) would be that both of those are caused by (and indicative of) the upsurge in anti-white animus in the media.

    Your schtick is becoming incredibly tiresome. Please go away.
    , @Anonymous
    I've previously worked in media in Manhattan and have spent much of my life dealing with liberals in the New York Metropolitan area, both in and outside of media.

    Liberal journalists regard the New York Times as the Bible. To them, that shitty newspaper is a holy document. Virtually all liberal journalists care about what the NYT writes and take their cues directly from the New York Times.

    The esteem with which liberal journalist hold the New York times is equaled by the NYT's readership. So yeah, what the New York Times says and doesn't say largely dictates discourse in our society (at least among liberals and some independents), which was the whole point of Steve's column. This doesn't mean EVERY other liberal news source is publishing more stories about Till, but regardless, the NYT established The Narrative and the rest of the mainstream media tends to follow suit.
  68. @Jack D
    NO reason - no. But tiny offenses - yes. Till, in the worst possible telling of what he did, made a verbal sexual proposition to a white woman (without ever touching her). BECAUSE this was a 50% black area, whites believed that they only way they could maintain order and keep their women from being raped was to maintain broad and strict lines of racial separation that blacks could not cross, on penalty of (extralegal) death. Till, being an outsider from Chicago, was unaware of and crossed this invisible line. Most local blacks, well aware of the lines and the penalty for crossing them, did not dare cross them and thus avoided being lynched. Under the unwritten code of the South, Till was not "innocent" but the code itself was both extralegal and immoral. In no just society is the penalty for an unwanted proposition death - that's taking #Me Too too far.

    Under the unwritten code of the South, Till was not “innocent” but the code itself was both extralegal and immoral.

    What was immoral about it?

  69. Calvin Hobbes [AKA "Calvin X Hobbes"] says:

    And if you ever feel twinges of skepticism about the current stress on “white privilege” while you’re in Virginia, remember that Thomas Jefferson had slaves.

    Reconciling the Two Jeffersons

    The University of Virginia has long promoted ideas about Thomas Jefferson that glossed over his racist beliefs and ownership of slaves. New report by the university explores the more insidious side of his legacy.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/08/08/new-uva-report-brings-thomas-jeffersons-racist-past-light

  70. Only incompetent liars simply make stuff up. Effective liars — like the people at the Times — select facts that are verifiably true and weave them into stories that are false.

    I thought everybody knew that.

  71. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Just the other day, some white guy from Florida was in town for a wedding in NYC and tapped on the window of an SUV waiting outside the hotel where it was held, thinking that it was his Uber. The driver got out and punched him because (I guess) tapping on the window of your ride violates the code of the streets or something. The Florida man fell backwards and hit his head and died a couple of days later.

    https://www.wpbf.com/article/boca-raton-man-is-dead-after-a-violent-assault-in-new-york-city/22665614

    I would say that what Till did was clearly less of an "innocent mistake" regarding the unwritten code of the streets than what this Florida guy did. But, arguably, the code of Mississippi was more unjust because it was part of a whole system of racial control of blacks, while the code of the ghetto streets (while just as violent) seems less focused and organized. However both codes have the tacit endorsement of the population - in all of the 66 shootings last week in Chicago, not a single witness came forward.

    But, arguably, the code of Mississippi was more unjust because it was part of a whole system of racial control of blacks, while the code of the ghetto streets (while just as violent) seems less focused and organized

    What’s wrong with an ethnic group’s segregating its women or itself from other groups? The Jews have run such a “system of racial control” for thousands of years.

  72. @Anonymous
    Okay, I looked at the NYT site for moment. Here's what I found:




    Welcome to the world, little fish. In 14 days you’ll start making babies. The African annual fish can reach sexual maturity in about two weeks, scientists found.


    A new tick species invading the U.S., the Asian long-horned tick, has arrived in New York’s suburbs. In Asia the species carries a virus that kills 15 percent of its victims.

     

    “A new tick species invading the U.S., the Asian long-horned tick, has arrived in New York’s suburbs. In Asia the species carries a virus that kills 15 percent of its victims.”

    So there’s still hope .

    • Replies: @Meretricious
    There are so many Asians (and soon, Africans) that even if a billion or two were wiped out, there would still be way too many. One of several reasons for the uncontrolled flood into white nations.
  73. @Art Deco
    They beat him to death for trivial reasons, something well understood by the local prosecutor and, ultimately the local populace, who ran Bryant and Milam out of town.

    They beat him to death for trivial reasons

    Trivial? Perhaps to you, but not to most men in the South (or anywhere if we’re talking men and not women with a penis). Sexually harass or intimidate my wife and see what happens. I doubt death would result, but you wouldn’t want to look in the mirror for a while. If that harassment becomes physical, however, all bets are off.

    At worst, you can say Till’s punishment didn’t fit the crime. But that boy definitely deserved a thorough beating.

    Here’s your (current year) Emmet Till:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2700872/My-son-saved-attackers-life-Father-pounded-admitted-child-molester-bloody-puddle-claims-son-stopped-stabbing-admitted-pedophile-death.html

    Dad says (and I believe him) he’d have killed Emmet Wannabe if his son hadn’t begged him to stop beating the POS. That’s what’s dads and husbands should do.

    • Agree: donut
    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    An ex-girlfriend grew up across the river in Louisiana, where blacks outnumber whites three to one. One of the hands did something to her older sister, and my girlfriend reported that her dad came back with blood up to his elbows.
  74. @Anon
    Can we search for the term Becky? What about Mayonnaise? I vaguely remember an Anne Coulter reference to a site called Lexus Nexus where this could be done. Alternatively, it may be possible to use the Google search engine to look for "Becky" by year. This, admittedly, isn't as good as using the Times because the Google search engine might simply quantify the number of people talking about the issue rather than catalogue propaganda efforts to popularize a term by US news outlets ("Becky" + "New York Times" in Google, by year?).

    I vaguely remember an Anne Coulter reference to a site called Lexus Nexus where this could be done.

    Yes, that’s Lexis Nexis (https://www.lexisnexis.com/en-us/gateway.page) and it’s a fantastic tool that Steve could have fun with for years. But Steve doesn’t have Ann Coulter money and Lexis Nexis ain’t cheap. Back in the 90’s I dated a girl whose daddy was a bigshot there and could have hooked him up, but that’s ancient history now.

    Ron should reach out to them and work out a subscription so he can share with Steve. Or any iStevers who work for Big Law could slip him a login and pw.

  75. Anonymous [AKA "John Stennis"] says:

    Mee oh my, if only I had a busy law practice like Jack D.

  76. @Jack D
    What law abiding blacks want (and I can't say that I blame them) is to be included inside the trust circle. It must be annoying/infuriating to be a middle class black person and followed around the store because they think that you are a shoplifter and so on. But, what blacks don't seem to realize is that trust must be earned and that stereotypes don't come from thin air but are based on reality. What seems to be missing from the black way of looking at this is any desire or willingness to pressure the less law abiding portions of black society to stop doing shit that gives black people a bad reputation. Yes in some cases there has been white overreaction or mistaken reaction (e.g. where whites see a black "burglar" who is breaking into his own home because he has forgotten his keys) but given the crime statistics, it is an understandable and not "racist" assumption that a black dude breaking a window is a burglar and not the homeowner (even if you might give a white "burglar" the benefit of the doubt).

    Non criminal blacks relish the chance to be falsely accused. They provoke it to justify their sense of injury and vindictiveness, adding meaning to their lives.

    • Replies: @Buddwing
    Actually, being falsely accused, or simply followed around in a store is incredibly annoying and sometimes dangerous. A know black engineering professors in top universities. I was talking with one about all the little instances in life where he is made to feel unwelcome. "What drives you crazy," he told me, "is that you never know if this is something that would happen to anyone, or if it because you are black." He was stopped by police for having a screen on in his car when driving at night, for example. He had someone run their grocery cart into him in the store, possibly intentionally. Could happen to anyone, he admits, but he thinks it happens to him more because he is black. It probably does.
    Life is weird, even at the top, and it is not relished by normal, smart, and competent people. It is understandable, of course, if one takes the time to understand, but not a source of any pleasure.
  77. @Jack D
    What law abiding blacks want (and I can't say that I blame them) is to be included inside the trust circle. It must be annoying/infuriating to be a middle class black person and followed around the store because they think that you are a shoplifter and so on. But, what blacks don't seem to realize is that trust must be earned and that stereotypes don't come from thin air but are based on reality. What seems to be missing from the black way of looking at this is any desire or willingness to pressure the less law abiding portions of black society to stop doing shit that gives black people a bad reputation. Yes in some cases there has been white overreaction or mistaken reaction (e.g. where whites see a black "burglar" who is breaking into his own home because he has forgotten his keys) but given the crime statistics, it is an understandable and not "racist" assumption that a black dude breaking a window is a burglar and not the homeowner (even if you might give a white "burglar" the benefit of the doubt).

    In the ’90’s on the Berkeley campus, I used to play basketball three times a week with a really nice black guy from Oakland named John. Drove a yellow ’76 Buick Skylark. One day he showed up at the gym with a brand new leather Wilson Jet basketball, which retailed for about $60. He casually told me how he had switched the price tags at Copeland’s to get it for $24.

  78. Hey Steve, any thoughts on why Emmet Till is the victim du jour while Hattie Carrol is forgotten? Poor Hattie was even memorialized by Bob Dylan. I’ve read that Hollis Brown led a fairly crappy life after his white privilege saved him from the electric chair..

    • Replies: @the one they call Desanex
    Like “Hattie Carroll”, Dylan’s “The Death of Emmett Till” was bleeding-heart bullsh*t.

    Some men they dragged him to a barn and there they beat him up.
    They said they had a reason, but I disremember what.
     

    I saw the morning papers but I could not bear
    To see the smiling brothers walkin’ down the courthouse stairs.
     
    Maybe he should’ve read the papers.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-0vClQa1Hw
    , @Harry Baldwin
    I think the NYT folks have figured out that it's best to focus on a few black victims and to constantly repeat their names and some useful version of their story--Harriet Tubman, Emmett Till, Rosa Parks, Trayvon "Skittles" Martin, Michael "Gentle Giant" Brown. That really hammers home the propaganda. Too many different names and stories and it becomes a confused blur.
  79. @Art Deco
    They beat him to death for trivial reasons, something well understood by the local prosecutor and, ultimately the local populace, who ran Bryant and Milam out of town.

    the local populace, who ran Bryant and Milam out of town.

    This is incredibly disingenuous and one of the things that makes your comments look like high end Hasbara more often than I would like.

    Leading up to the trial we saw: http://time.com/5336879/original-emmett-till-case-reopened/

    According to coverage by PBS, the white townspeople raised $10,000 to support the defense case of Bryant and Milam, though they probably did not need the donations to persuade the all-white, all-male jury not to convict. Members of the community resented press from northern states coming down to cover the issue — especially black journalists, who were relegated to a card table in the courtroom and berated by the local sheriff.

    Hardly disapproval of the actual event demonstrated there.

    The Look magazine article is what turned the locals against them: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/27/emmett-till-juanita-milam/5873235/

    The Till murder would change their lives forever. Less than a month after the verdict, journalist William Bradford Huie offered to pay the brothers $3,150 for their story. Knowing that double jeopardy prevented them from being tried again, they weaved a tale of kidnapping and murder, yet they were careful enough not to indict any accomplices. Their story, which appeared in the Jan. 24, 1956, issue of Look magazine, contains gross inaccuracies. Nevertheless, the article captivated readers all over the nation.

    Any profiteering off Emmett Till’s blood apparently backfired in the end, however. Former friends and supporters, who never really doubted the guilt of the half-brothers to begin with, wanted nothing to do with them once their confession was in print. A year after the murder, the Milams were reported to be living on a farm in Mississippi between Ruleville and Cleveland. Around that time, Huie interviewed the brothers for a follow-up article that also appeared in Look. In the accompanying photographs, both men look happy, but it was obvious the smiles were only a facade. Huie described them as having “been disappointed,” explaining further, “They have suffered disillusionment, ingratitude, resentment, misfortune,” but as yet, no guilt.

    Few had pity on them. Milam owned no land and could not get his former backers to rent to him. He was finally able to rent 217 acres in Sunflower County with the help of his brother-in-law and secured $4,000 to plant cotton from a Tallahatchie County bank where one of his defense attorneys, John Whitten, sat on the loan committee. Blacks would no longer work for Milam, and that forced him to pay whites a higher wage for the same work.

    He reflected on how the tide had turned, saying his wife and children were having an especially hard time. “I had a lot of friends a year ago,” he told Huie. “They contributed to my defense fund — at least they say they did. I never got half of what they say was contributed. I don’t know what happened to it, but we never got it.”

    For three years, Milam held several menial plantation jobs. The Milams later moved to Orange, Texas, but stayed for only a few years, returning to live near Juanita’s parents in Greenville.

  80. @Anonymous
    Austin, Texas should be renamed after Emmett Till. If anyone objects, we'll rename them Emmett Till too.

    Question for the Great Unwashed: How many innocent white people have been murdered by black people since 1955? How many made the front page (or even the back pages) of the NYT?

    Question Two: Why are we still paying attention to the NYT?

    The NYT is the rectal thermometer of elite establishment opinion.

  81. @Corvinus
    "The growth of “Emmett Till” has correlated closely (r = 0.88) with the similarly increasing ubiquity of the phrase “white privilege.”"

    First, correlation does not equal causation.

    Second, not really sure what muddied point you are trying to make here, as your Taki story goes all over the map.

    Third, how many times did the term "white privilege" appear in those articles about Emmett Till from the NYT? You really didn't say...

    "If your head is stuffed full of the notion of “white privilege,” it’s only natural to remember “Emmett Till,” and vice-versa."

    IF being the operative word.

    “Emmett Till” and “white privilege” are mutually reinforcing pieces of the mental architecture of the average NYT reader."

    You are only guessing here. The person would have to actually read the Till story and understand its background and context in relation to his or her knowledge of, and acceptance or rejection of, that concept. Perhaps you could follow up with a story here.

    "In 1987, Tawana Brawley launched our present era of making up hate hoaxes against whites by claiming that the reason she got home late was because she was being gang-raped by six white policemen."

    First, you are unilaterally making this declaration, which may or may not be accurate. In other words, you have a false premise when it comes to "launching our present era of making up hate hoaxes".

    Second, indeed while there have been those "hate hoaxes" whose perpetrators have been or ought to have been brought to justice, you are conveniently whitewashing legitimate occurrences within the past 30 years.

    "Now, The New York Times would no doubt answer that it is merely responding to the great surfeit of events related to the Emmett Till case, such as a spat over whether a white artist should be allowed to display a painting of Emmett or whether only black painters should make money off the sacred subject."

    Bury the lede much?

    "On the other hand, the Times takes pride that it traditionally sets the agenda for the rest of the news business."

    You are forgetting WaPo and Fox News are also historically involved here.

    "So if the Times says that in 2018 Emmett Till is breaking news while Tawana Brawley is ancient history, lots of other influential media folks will follow its lead."

    COULD follow its lead. You would need to conduct a search on other news organizations regarding their number of Till stories in 2018 in order to lend support to your assertion, right?

    "Moreover, the press furnishes us with convenient concepts, such as “white privilege,” that make it easier to remember the facts they prefer you to know and harder to remember the facts that undermine the concepts."

    You mean like how you use "hate hoax" and "race realism"? Couldn't help but NOTICE.

    First, you are unilaterally making this declaration, which may or may not be accurate. In other words, you have a false premise when it comes to “launching our present era of making up hate hoaxes”.

    You move the goalposts awfully quickly. First you say that calling Tawana Brawley incident the pioneer of modern hate hoaxes “may or may not” be accurate and then 5 words later you label it a “false premise”.

    And yet you do not rebut Steve in any way. If the Brawley incident is not the 1st prominent modern anti-white hate hoax (there is a long history of false accusations against blacks and Jews), then what is?

    Hate hoaxes are a sign of mob power and mob power can only exist with the consent or willingness to look the other way of the authorities. You’ll notice that the Jews of Europe never used to accuse Christians of using Jewish blood to make communion wafers. In the pre-Civil Rights South, blacks never lynched white people for raping their women. So the era of anti-white hate hoaxes was a sign of ascendant black power in America. In the old America, Brawley would have been arrested for making a false report and Sharpton for disturbing the peace and no respectable white newspaper would have given credence to their phony stories, but something changed.

    Second, indeed while there have been those “hate hoaxes” whose perpetrators have been or ought to have been brought to justice, you are conveniently whitewashing legitimate occurrences within the past 30 years.

    Sometimes in the old South, there were real incidents where blacks raped white women (and if the mob hadn’t lynched them immediately, they would have been eventually found guilty) but that does not keep us from canonizing the innocent martyrs. Emmet Till’s own papa was rightfully tried and executed by the US Army for rape and murder but this did not prevent the canonization of Till Jr. That there are real hate crimes in America (and it’s funny that if there are, the media keeps on seizing on phony ones instead) does not mitigate the fact that hate hoaxes are a real phenomenon. We know that statistically the rate of white on black rape (let alone white gang rape) is effectively zero (while black on white rapes are so common that they are not newsworthy beyond a couple of lines in the crime blotter) and yet there have been, in the Brawley era, THREE nationally publicized cases of white gang rape (two involving black “victims”) that all became celebrated causes flogged in the pages of the NY Times until they turned out not to have happened at all.

    • Replies: @Anon

    Jews of Europe never used to accuse Christians of using Jewish blood to make communion wafers.
     
    Well, not since the Roman period. Which goes to your point, I suppose.
    , @Anon

    You’ll notice that the Jews of Europe never used to accuse Christians of using Jewish blood to make communion wafers.
     
    Maybe not, but they've accused Gentiles of many nefarious things, beyond of being unclean. Their main documents contain all sorts of accusations against Gentiles of murder or attempted murder. Plus, apparently, the "6 million" thing was thrown around prior to the Holocaust.
    , @Corvinus
    "You move the goalposts awfully quickly. First you say that calling Tawana Brawley incident the pioneer of modern hate hoaxes “may or may not” be accurate and then 5 words later you label it a “false premise”."

    Mr. Sailor is of the mindset that the Brawley incident is unequivocally the beginning of a period referred to as "hate hoaxes". Can we honestly make that assessment with absolute certainty? No. Can we honestly discount that assessment with absolute certainty? No. Hence, his argument rests on a false premise--he automatically assumes that this event beyond a shadow of a doubt marks the dawn of an era. An era recognized by who/whom?

    "And yet you do not rebut Steve in any way."

    I acknowledge that it COULD be true, thus there was no need for a rebuttal.

    "If the Brawley incident is not the 1st prominent modern anti-white hate hoax (there is a long history of false accusations against blacks and Jews), then what is?"

    Really depends upon one's perspective. Does there have to be a definitive "prominent modern anti-white hate hoax" event, or is this phenomenon simply conjured up by conservatives to downplay racism, sexism, and anti-Semitism? Understand that these terms have been used and abused by the Coalition of the Fringes and generally have lost their meaning. In addition, I'm not a fan of federal or state legislation of "hate crime" enhancers. If anything, a "hate hoaxer" should then be subject to that consequence for their false reporting. Consider that the FBI estimates that between 2% and 8% of hate crime reports are hoaxes. Furthermore, hate crime reports which turn out to be hoaxes often generate sensational headlines by conservative leaning media, with liberal leaning media then downplaying its significance.

    "Hate hoaxes are a sign of mob power and mob power can only exist with the consent or willingness to look the other way of the authorities."

    Says who?

    "In the pre-Civil Rights South, blacks never lynched white people for raping their women."

    I do not know about "never", but I do know that there would have been severe consequences for such actions against blacks who would take justice into their hands. Interesting how some white southern men were dead set against the mixing of the races, only to find themselves in the bed of a black women, which in some cases led to her having a baby nine months later.

    So the era of anti-white hate hoaxes was a sign of ascendant black power in America.

    "In the old America, Brawley would have been arrested for making a false report..."

    No "old America", just America. And, absolutely, she should have been taken into custody.

    "and Sharpton for disturbing the peace"

    That's absurd. Regardless, one of her attorneys, Alton H. Maddox, was indefinitely suspended by the Appellate Division of the State Supreme Court in Brooklyn after failing to appear before a disciplinary hearing to answer allegations regarding his conduct in the Brawley case.

    "and no respectable white newspaper would have given credence to their phony stories, but something changed."

    It was only revealed that the story was phony after the grand jury convened and stated that her case had no basis in fact, so the media was reporting the story as it unfolded.

    "We know that statistically the rate of white on black rape (let alone white gang rape) is effectively zero..."

    Just curious as to your source.

    "in the Brawley era, THREE nationally publicized cases of white gang rape (two involving black “victims”) that all became celebrated causes flogged in the pages of the NY Times until they turned out not to have happened at all."

    Right, until AFTER it was determined these incidents were fabricated. As I suspect, the media will still report on such incidents until there is evidence indicating it was a hoax. Like this case...

    https://www.vibe.com/2017/03/white-texas-woman-lied-rape-three-black-men

    , @Ben tillman
    Jack, it is not true that in the pre-civil-rights era blacks never lynched whites for raping black women.

    There is at least one documented case of exactly such a lynching (I believe it was in Tennessee), and the local white power structure did not prosecute.

  82. @Jack D
    What law abiding blacks want (and I can't say that I blame them) is to be included inside the trust circle. It must be annoying/infuriating to be a middle class black person and followed around the store because they think that you are a shoplifter and so on. But, what blacks don't seem to realize is that trust must be earned and that stereotypes don't come from thin air but are based on reality. What seems to be missing from the black way of looking at this is any desire or willingness to pressure the less law abiding portions of black society to stop doing shit that gives black people a bad reputation. Yes in some cases there has been white overreaction or mistaken reaction (e.g. where whites see a black "burglar" who is breaking into his own home because he has forgotten his keys) but given the crime statistics, it is an understandable and not "racist" assumption that a black dude breaking a window is a burglar and not the homeowner (even if you might give a white "burglar" the benefit of the doubt).

    What law abiding blacks want (and I can’t say that I blame them) is to be included inside the trust circle.

    Understood (and agreed). One thing which complicates this is the subset of blacks who simultaneously want:
    – That.
    – To be tolerated (celebrated even) for “acting black” (e.g. boisterous) whenever they want.
    – Slack for their cousin who really isn’t trustworthy.
    – To not hold up the trust norms (e.g. snitches get stitches) in general.

    Those don’t go well together.

    This is why treating people as individuals is best. It is supremely ironic that Southerners living with blacks seem to be much better about that while the SJWs can’t seem to get beyond the stereotypes of “saintly blacks” and “evil racists.”

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Great point. I read an article a few years ago that pointed out that white privilege is really a form of social capital based on whites (generally) observing certain norms.

    White privilege is a normative commons. A norm is a standard of behavior. A commons is a property that is maintained by a group, because it brings economic benefits to the group. A normative commons is a set of behaviors that brings benefits to a group.

    Many know the tragedy of the commons dilemma often quoted in Austrian economic theory. In this situation, the commons is destroyed. How is it destroyed and how is it maintained? For a commons to exist, the group must pay a cost: opportunity cost. In the grazing sheep example of the tragedy of the commons, the herders allow the field to be overgrazed and destroyed for all. Each herder who does not overgraze the field pays an opportunity cost. He has the opportunity to grab all the resources for himself, and deprive them to the next guy. When he only grazes responsibly, he forgoes the opportunity to grab all the resources for himself. Forgoing this opportunity is the opportunity cost. If everyone forgoes the opportunity cost, the commons is maintained, if they do not pay the opportunity cost, the commons is destroyed.

    In a normative commons, each person who forgoes the opportunity of breaking the norm, then pays the cost of maintaining the norms. So, when one lives in a White area, common areas such as shops (markets) will likely be open for browsing, because the norm of behavior is to not steal. Each time a White goes into a store and does not steal, he pays the opportunity cost, equal to the value of the items not stolen. By paying this cost, the norm of keeping shopping areas open to browsing is maintained. Areas with large numbers of Blacks experience increased incidence of crime. In these areas, the risk to shop owners or other providers to allow Blacks free access exceeds the benefits of open browsing (with a main benefit being increased economic velocity). Thus you see convenience stores with no common area, that only sell what can be passed through a bullet-proof teller window. The commons has been destroyed.
     
    https://propertarianforum.wordpress.com/2014/12/22/white-privilege-normative-commons/comment-page-1/
  83. @Jack D
    NO reason - no. But tiny offenses - yes. Till, in the worst possible telling of what he did, made a verbal sexual proposition to a white woman (without ever touching her). BECAUSE this was a 50% black area, whites believed that they only way they could maintain order and keep their women from being raped was to maintain broad and strict lines of racial separation that blacks could not cross, on penalty of (extralegal) death. Till, being an outsider from Chicago, was unaware of and crossed this invisible line. Most local blacks, well aware of the lines and the penalty for crossing them, did not dare cross them and thus avoided being lynched. Under the unwritten code of the South, Till was not "innocent" but the code itself was both extralegal and immoral. In no just society is the penalty for an unwanted proposition death - that's taking #Me Too too far.

    According to the LOOK article he did more than just proposition the married woman.

    “He squeezed her hand and said: “How about a date, baby?”

    She jerked away and started for Juanita Milam. At the break between counters, Bobo jumped in front of her, perhaps caught her at the waist, and said: “You needn’t be afraid o’ me, Baby. I been with white girls before.”

    I agree they should not have killed him for those offenses but in my city Till’s people shoot each other every day. Last weekend’s toll; 60 shot and 9 dead. Guess who’s responsible for 99% of the mayhem?

    Till’s father was quite the ladies man himself.
    ” A soldier during World War II, Louis Till was executed by the U.S. Army in 1945 after being found guilty of murder and rape. The circumstances of his death were little known even to his family until they were revealed after the trial of his son’s murderers ten years later, which affected subsequent discourse on the death of Emmett Till”

    Read the rest here, a most fascinating story;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Till

    • Replies: @Anon
    Did Till know the woman was married?
  84. @Jack D
    Due to the 1st Amendment, Holocaust denial and espousal of Nazi ideology cannot be made a crime in the US. Germany has no exact equivalent of the 1st Amendment and, for obvious reasons, believes that it is important to prevent a revival of Nazism which not only destroyed European Jewry but also caused immeasurable damage to Germany itself. America has a long history of protection of free speech (and no history of starting world wars) so it strikes the balance in a different way. I'd say that both countries got it right for their own conditions.

    Due to the 1st Amendment, Holocaust denial and espousal of Nazi ideology cannot be made a crime in the US.

    Are you sure about that?

    Germany has no exact equivalent of the 1st Amendment…

    Is that so!?

    Frau Haverbeck is German — the German equivalent of the US Constitution is the s.g. Grundgesetz (GG) — Artikel 5 of the GG says: Jeder hat das Recht, seine Meinung in Wort, Schrift und Bild frei zu äußern und zu verbreiten und sich aus allgemein zugänglichen Quellen ungehindert zu unterrichten — rough translation: ‘Everyone has the right to free expression’ (Wort = speech, Schrift = writing) — that seems pretty clear, right? — so what happened? — the Bundestag enacted a new law that is now known as § 130, and it defines Volksverhetzung (‘inciting racial hatred’) as a crime — so-called ‘Holocaust denial’ is prosecuted under this law; they just stipulate that ‘denying the Holocaust’ is equivalent to ‘inciting racial hatred’ against Jews — the German high court (Bundesverfassungsgericht) ruled this law is not incompatible with Artikel 5 of the GG: Am 13. April 1994 entschied das Bundesverfassungsgericht, dass Holocaustleugnung nicht unter das Grundrecht der Meinungsfreiheit nach Art. 5 Absatz 1 des Grundgesetzes fällt: Es handele sich bei der Holocaustleugnung um eine „unwahre Tatsachenbehauptung“, also das Bestreiten einer vielfach erwiesenen Tatsache, die für sich nicht vom Recht der Meinungsfreiheit gedeckt sei,… — basically they ruled that saying something counter to an established historical fact (!) like the ‘Holocaust’ is not covered by Artikel 5 of the GG — simple as that.

    I think you are naive about what might happen in America in the future if Americans are not careful.

    Below is what people in Germany see all the time now — the Germans actively and heavily censor the internet (using the same law against Volksverhetzung) — this began in 2017 after what is known as the Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz (NetzDG) was passed.

  85. @vinteuil
    Brilliant & important point.

    The more fictional "white privilege" gets, the more we hear about it. The farther Emmett Till recedes into the historical rear-view mirror, the larger he looms.

    The more fictional “white privilege” gets, the more we hear about it. The farther Emmett Till recedes into the historical rear-view mirror, the larger he looms.

    This mirrors “snowflakes triggered by microaggressions,” where microscopic slights imperceptible to the unaided eye cause interminable mental anxiety–the smaller the better for stimulating outrage.

    As well, Jim Crow and slavery, irrespective of occurring 60 and 160 years ago, are historic legacies of which everyone should be daily reminded lest they forget their guilt as blatant racists.

  86. @Corvinus
    "The growth of “Emmett Till” has correlated closely (r = 0.88) with the similarly increasing ubiquity of the phrase “white privilege.”"

    First, correlation does not equal causation.

    Second, not really sure what muddied point you are trying to make here, as your Taki story goes all over the map.

    Third, how many times did the term "white privilege" appear in those articles about Emmett Till from the NYT? You really didn't say...

    "If your head is stuffed full of the notion of “white privilege,” it’s only natural to remember “Emmett Till,” and vice-versa."

    IF being the operative word.

    “Emmett Till” and “white privilege” are mutually reinforcing pieces of the mental architecture of the average NYT reader."

    You are only guessing here. The person would have to actually read the Till story and understand its background and context in relation to his or her knowledge of, and acceptance or rejection of, that concept. Perhaps you could follow up with a story here.

    "In 1987, Tawana Brawley launched our present era of making up hate hoaxes against whites by claiming that the reason she got home late was because she was being gang-raped by six white policemen."

    First, you are unilaterally making this declaration, which may or may not be accurate. In other words, you have a false premise when it comes to "launching our present era of making up hate hoaxes".

    Second, indeed while there have been those "hate hoaxes" whose perpetrators have been or ought to have been brought to justice, you are conveniently whitewashing legitimate occurrences within the past 30 years.

    "Now, The New York Times would no doubt answer that it is merely responding to the great surfeit of events related to the Emmett Till case, such as a spat over whether a white artist should be allowed to display a painting of Emmett or whether only black painters should make money off the sacred subject."

    Bury the lede much?

    "On the other hand, the Times takes pride that it traditionally sets the agenda for the rest of the news business."

    You are forgetting WaPo and Fox News are also historically involved here.

    "So if the Times says that in 2018 Emmett Till is breaking news while Tawana Brawley is ancient history, lots of other influential media folks will follow its lead."

    COULD follow its lead. You would need to conduct a search on other news organizations regarding their number of Till stories in 2018 in order to lend support to your assertion, right?

    "Moreover, the press furnishes us with convenient concepts, such as “white privilege,” that make it easier to remember the facts they prefer you to know and harder to remember the facts that undermine the concepts."

    You mean like how you use "hate hoax" and "race realism"? Couldn't help but NOTICE.

    “The growth of “Emmett Till” has correlated closely (r = 0.88) with the similarly increasing ubiquity of the phrase “white privilege.””

    First, correlation does not equal causation.

    And where does Steve assert it does? I think a more accurate interpretation (not that you care about that) would be that both of those are caused by (and indicative of) the upsurge in anti-white animus in the media.

    Your schtick is becoming incredibly tiresome. Please go away.

    • Agree: JMcG, Forbes
  87. jb says:
    @Jack D
    What law abiding blacks want (and I can't say that I blame them) is to be included inside the trust circle. It must be annoying/infuriating to be a middle class black person and followed around the store because they think that you are a shoplifter and so on. But, what blacks don't seem to realize is that trust must be earned and that stereotypes don't come from thin air but are based on reality. What seems to be missing from the black way of looking at this is any desire or willingness to pressure the less law abiding portions of black society to stop doing shit that gives black people a bad reputation. Yes in some cases there has been white overreaction or mistaken reaction (e.g. where whites see a black "burglar" who is breaking into his own home because he has forgotten his keys) but given the crime statistics, it is an understandable and not "racist" assumption that a black dude breaking a window is a burglar and not the homeowner (even if you might give a white "burglar" the benefit of the doubt).

    I’m a respectable looking white male, and there have been occasions when I have noticed shopkeepers (who where I live are usually non-white) “following me around” and keeping an eye on me in their store. This has generally happened when I was simply using the store as a place to hang out for a while, because I had nothing better to do at the moment.

    I wouldn’t be surprised of course if this happens a lot more often to blacks. Could it be that the shopkeepers have noticed that the people who steal from them are far more likely to be black than anything else? Also, I don’t think “respectable looking” counts for much, whether you are black or white. What, you think serious shoplifters dress like hobos?

  88. @Jack D
    Due to the 1st Amendment, Holocaust denial and espousal of Nazi ideology cannot be made a crime in the US. Germany has no exact equivalent of the 1st Amendment and, for obvious reasons, believes that it is important to prevent a revival of Nazism which not only destroyed European Jewry but also caused immeasurable damage to Germany itself. America has a long history of protection of free speech (and no history of starting world wars) so it strikes the balance in a different way. I'd say that both countries got it right for their own conditions.

    What you say sounds reasonable, but in fact everyone knows that Jewish organizations are pressing for more and more restrictions throughout Europe and in the US. It is political stupidity of the worst sort, because ultimately resentment over those restrictions will be targeted at those who have done the most to get them made into law.

  89. @James Speaks
    I see 'Becky' used in a racially hostile way, but not so much as to demean Beckys for being somehow 'less than' but rather for their innate capacity through whiteness/attractiveness to be innately 'more than.'

    'Becky' is raced-based hostility, but is it a slur or is it an invective?

    I'll take Becky over Aunt Jemima any day of the week.

    I’ll take Becky over Aunt Jemima any day of the week.

    Wait … are we talking sex or syrup here?

  90. @Jack D

    First, you are unilaterally making this declaration, which may or may not be accurate. In other words, you have a false premise when it comes to “launching our present era of making up hate hoaxes”.
     
    You move the goalposts awfully quickly. First you say that calling Tawana Brawley incident the pioneer of modern hate hoaxes "may or may not" be accurate and then 5 words later you label it a "false premise".

    And yet you do not rebut Steve in any way. If the Brawley incident is not the 1st prominent modern anti-white hate hoax (there is a long history of false accusations against blacks and Jews), then what is?

    Hate hoaxes are a sign of mob power and mob power can only exist with the consent or willingness to look the other way of the authorities. You'll notice that the Jews of Europe never used to accuse Christians of using Jewish blood to make communion wafers. In the pre-Civil Rights South, blacks never lynched white people for raping their women. So the era of anti-white hate hoaxes was a sign of ascendant black power in America. In the old America, Brawley would have been arrested for making a false report and Sharpton for disturbing the peace and no respectable white newspaper would have given credence to their phony stories, but something changed.


    Second, indeed while there have been those “hate hoaxes” whose perpetrators have been or ought to have been brought to justice, you are conveniently whitewashing legitimate occurrences within the past 30 years.
     
    Sometimes in the old South, there were real incidents where blacks raped white women (and if the mob hadn't lynched them immediately, they would have been eventually found guilty) but that does not keep us from canonizing the innocent martyrs. Emmet Till's own papa was rightfully tried and executed by the US Army for rape and murder but this did not prevent the canonization of Till Jr. That there are real hate crimes in America (and it's funny that if there are, the media keeps on seizing on phony ones instead) does not mitigate the fact that hate hoaxes are a real phenomenon. We know that statistically the rate of white on black rape (let alone white gang rape) is effectively zero (while black on white rapes are so common that they are not newsworthy beyond a couple of lines in the crime blotter) and yet there have been, in the Brawley era, THREE nationally publicized cases of white gang rape (two involving black "victims") that all became celebrated causes flogged in the pages of the NY Times until they turned out not to have happened at all.

    Jews of Europe never used to accuse Christians of using Jewish blood to make communion wafers.

    Well, not since the Roman period. Which goes to your point, I suppose.

  91. @J.Ross
    OT briefly I cannot do this justice but there was a stunning example of several current themes in yesterday's Terry Gross interview with NYT journalist James Kirkpatrick. Kirkpatrick is an all but official defender of several disastrous Obama policies, especially the Arab Spring mess, and the interview focused on rehabilitating murderous Muslim Brotherhood terrorist Muhammad Morsi, who was described as "democratically elected" (technically true, screamingly wrong in context), whose Ikhwan membership was not brought up until deep into the interview.
    Sisi is represented as evil but there is no mention of the fact that he took over because Morsi gratuitously lied (he got elected because he made like he wasn't going to be an Islamist) and Morsi was exterminating Christians. Kirkpatrick flat out lies in a typical Obamist snarky snipe when he claimed that James Mattis's problem with Morsi amounted to calling him "bossy." Ikhwan/MB do not believe in exactly the same Salafism seen in Saudi Arabia, but they definitely believe in making society look more like a certain hystrionic TV series, so, yeah, "bossy," totally reasonable description.
    Kirkpatrick's shtick is to try to use Chomskyite tricks that made sense a long time ago and then pretend that the Iraq War or the destruction of Libya didn't happen -- he points out that authoritarians talk up extremists to justify their authoritarianism. Well, yes. What cannot be denied now that we tested that premise is that the extremists actually exist (and are very "bossy").
    People talk about things being offensive but this is blindingly maddening. Someone said the other night that the neocons were trying to distance themselves from the Iraq mess. Not Kirkpatrick. He styles himself as a plucky exposer of the Trump administration's connections to the current leaders of the Arab world (Oh nefarious plotters! How dare you meet with your colleagues and discuss containing bossy extremists!).
    Read Stephen Coughlin's book Catastrophic Failure. If you already have, you can visualize Kirkpatrick giving the four fingers. Kirkpatrick briefly mentions one of Coughlin's thoroughly demonstrated points -- that Obama was about as compromised by Ikhwan ideology as possible without being a Muslim, to the extent of firing critics and embracing Ikhwan definitions and rules -- as conspiracy theory. Which is funny considering all of this can be checked. Yes, Obama did fire people (like Coughlin) who resisyed the program, and yes, Obama did embrace MB definitions (thus that wierd awkwardness over what to call ISIS, or the idea that you are not allowed to use the term umma).
    Bonus: he reveals, like he's pulling the Panama Papers out of his pre-weatherd-leather messenger bag, that he has heard a recording of Egyptian state security people making sure that Egyptian talk show hosts calm everyone down about the US embassy moving to Jerusalem. Sisi, when not perfidiously protecting Christians, tries to (partially) defuse Arab anti-Semitism. What a monster!
    So the next time you hear that the US State Department is understaffed by Trump, remember what they're capable of when fully staffed.

    This is not anything I can contribute on, but please, let me make it clear now – this is not VDare James Kirkpatrick

    (I know, you said NYT reporter, but it threw me for a loop, because I don’t know all of Good James Kirkpatrick’s background.)

    Carry on, gentlemen.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    CORRECTION
    You're absolutely right, it was New York Times Cairo Bureau Chief DAVID Kirkpatrick, not James.
  92. One other thing: Does anyone know why Taki’s eliminated the comments? Was it just too much work to weed out the imbeciles (of which there were many)?

  93. I will enjoy the full article and then the rest of the comments here (yeah, I’m out of order) later, but let me just say this:

    How come I’ve heard nothing about Emmett Till besides 3rd-hand here and on sbpdl.com? I’ll tell you why, since you seem to want to know. I don’t read that Lyin’ Press crap, I don’t watch the Lyin’ Press TV-branch, and I don’t care what I’m missing. I do appreciate reading the real truth from you guys who set the record straight, so I know someone’s got to read the NY Times. Steve Sailer does so WE DON’T HAVE TO!

  94. @Jack D
    NO reason - no. But tiny offenses - yes. Till, in the worst possible telling of what he did, made a verbal sexual proposition to a white woman (without ever touching her). BECAUSE this was a 50% black area, whites believed that they only way they could maintain order and keep their women from being raped was to maintain broad and strict lines of racial separation that blacks could not cross, on penalty of (extralegal) death. Till, being an outsider from Chicago, was unaware of and crossed this invisible line. Most local blacks, well aware of the lines and the penalty for crossing them, did not dare cross them and thus avoided being lynched. Under the unwritten code of the South, Till was not "innocent" but the code itself was both extralegal and immoral. In no just society is the penalty for an unwanted proposition death - that's taking #Me Too too far.

    “Till, in the worst possible telling of what he did, made a verbal sexual proposition to a white woman (without ever touching her).”

    Wrong. The burly brute grabbed the diminutive Mrs. Bryant’s hand. She just barely managed to wrestle herself away from him. It was only as the terrified woman ran to her car that he gave the lewd ‘wolf whistle’ which the l’chaimstream media (and you) would have us believe was his only offense.

    If he’d have kept his hands to himself, he would never have had a problem (I mean in Mississippi; whether he would have eventually managed to get himself killed after returning to Chicago like so many other good boys who dindu nuffin remains entirely speculative). In any event, I shed no more tears for him than I do for his rapist-murderer biological father, upon whom justice was served by means of a US Army noose and a quick drop.

  95. Perhaps Mr. Sailer could do a count of “Jessica Chambers”, who was BURNED ALIVE by her black boyfriend, and see what good white privilege did her.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/02/24/suspect-reportedly-indicted-in-burning-death-mississippi-teen-jessica-chambers.html

    • Replies: @Ray Huffman
    Burn coal, pay the toll. But Chalmers got off easy. Some of them are not lucky enough to die:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2244817/Carmen-Tarleton-book-Mother-disfigured-horrific-Lye-attack-awaits-face-transplant.html
  96. Steve, good to see that you are still able to do an analysis like this. I was extremely disappointed when the NYT Chronicle page went away.

    How labor intensive was it to create that graph? Do you think it would be possible to automate your procedures?

  97. @James Speaks
    I see 'Becky' used in a racially hostile way, but not so much as to demean Beckys for being somehow 'less than' but rather for their innate capacity through whiteness/attractiveness to be innately 'more than.'

    'Becky' is raced-based hostility, but is it a slur or is it an invective?

    I'll take Becky over Aunt Jemima any day of the week.

    How ’bout Mrs. Butterworth…

  98. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    First, you are unilaterally making this declaration, which may or may not be accurate. In other words, you have a false premise when it comes to “launching our present era of making up hate hoaxes”.
     
    You move the goalposts awfully quickly. First you say that calling Tawana Brawley incident the pioneer of modern hate hoaxes "may or may not" be accurate and then 5 words later you label it a "false premise".

    And yet you do not rebut Steve in any way. If the Brawley incident is not the 1st prominent modern anti-white hate hoax (there is a long history of false accusations against blacks and Jews), then what is?

    Hate hoaxes are a sign of mob power and mob power can only exist with the consent or willingness to look the other way of the authorities. You'll notice that the Jews of Europe never used to accuse Christians of using Jewish blood to make communion wafers. In the pre-Civil Rights South, blacks never lynched white people for raping their women. So the era of anti-white hate hoaxes was a sign of ascendant black power in America. In the old America, Brawley would have been arrested for making a false report and Sharpton for disturbing the peace and no respectable white newspaper would have given credence to their phony stories, but something changed.


    Second, indeed while there have been those “hate hoaxes” whose perpetrators have been or ought to have been brought to justice, you are conveniently whitewashing legitimate occurrences within the past 30 years.
     
    Sometimes in the old South, there were real incidents where blacks raped white women (and if the mob hadn't lynched them immediately, they would have been eventually found guilty) but that does not keep us from canonizing the innocent martyrs. Emmet Till's own papa was rightfully tried and executed by the US Army for rape and murder but this did not prevent the canonization of Till Jr. That there are real hate crimes in America (and it's funny that if there are, the media keeps on seizing on phony ones instead) does not mitigate the fact that hate hoaxes are a real phenomenon. We know that statistically the rate of white on black rape (let alone white gang rape) is effectively zero (while black on white rapes are so common that they are not newsworthy beyond a couple of lines in the crime blotter) and yet there have been, in the Brawley era, THREE nationally publicized cases of white gang rape (two involving black "victims") that all became celebrated causes flogged in the pages of the NY Times until they turned out not to have happened at all.

    You’ll notice that the Jews of Europe never used to accuse Christians of using Jewish blood to make communion wafers.

    Maybe not, but they’ve accused Gentiles of many nefarious things, beyond of being unclean. Their main documents contain all sorts of accusations against Gentiles of murder or attempted murder. Plus, apparently, the “6 million” thing was thrown around prior to the Holocaust.

  99. @International Jew

    How would an intellectual conformist like Sarah Jeong learn that hate hoaxes are even a thing? Would any of her tenured Harvard Law School professors have dared mention their existence in a lecture?
     
    She graduated a year before the Harvard Law School black masking tape hoax. That could have been a learning experience for her.

    Is it know that she graduated from HLS? I’ve seen doubt–due to statements that she “attended,” rather than graduated. I’d also seen reports (possibly here on iSteve) that she wasn’t listed in the alumni directory.

  100. @Tyrion 2
    I was in Egypt during the revolution/Al Sisi coup. The people I met were ecstatic. I can't get over how many Westerners don't realise that he is a moderate patriot doing an exceedingly difficult job.

    Morsi lied horrifically to gain power and then proceeded to try to start a cultural revolution. Practically everyone in the region knew that he had become bad news. When you have backbenchers proposing that the "pagan" pyramids should be hidden under wax, you know you're not dealing with people who care about their culture, history and society.

    Not to mention simple intelligence. How long would wax stay on a pyramid before it melted in the sun and ran down to a massive puddle on the ground?

  101. Emmett Till and similar tales are background noise for the media to play when they are not running more purposeful propaganda. It is essentially filler that is used to not only reinforce the narrative but to keep counter arguments from filling the void.

    One of the things I find so vomit-able about NPR using this narrative is that our public airwaves don’t seem to be for the majority of the public or only a subset of the public. They seem far more interested these days in immigration / “migrants” / fake refugees / etc. When they are not running sob stories or stories about how they have to deal with hate, you get the anti-white propaganda mixed in such as Holocaust reminders / Emmett Till / etc. It is sort of a one-two punch combination designed to keep their enemies off balance and never allow a counter punch.

    One of my fantasies is taking over a NPR station for a day and playing a counter narrative for 24 hours. Just simply flipping the script would probably make liberals ears bleed. I don’t think that sharing stations or requiring equal time would work because the are so converged that nothing good would be allowed to emerge. Better yet, the alt-right should build a station of their own such as KPFA and then grab the popcorn.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Just now advertised on NPR: an upcoming "discussion" about Charlottesville. "People died ... the president blamed both sides. How does that make you feel?" The people who died were mostly police officers who were in a crashing helicopter which appears to have been totally unrelated to the violence, and an overweight woman who had a heart attack after she decided to block traffic. The mayor and police officials were expressly one hundred percent on the side of antifa and deliberately arranged the march path to result in a confrontation. After the deaths their jobs are as secure as Scott Israel's.
  102. Anon[329] • Disclaimer says:

    Try searching for UVA Rape Hoax and Mark Dice on Youtube. Youtube and MSM rigged the algorithms so that the Mark Dice video never shows up, and all you get are globo-dominated ‘mainstream’ News Sources in the search results. Never mind that it was independent internet journalists who cracked that case while MSM showered praise on Sabrina Rubin Erderly as a potential Pulitzer candidate.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mark+dice+uva+rape+hoax&page=&utm_source=opensearch

    https://academicwonderland.com/2016/07/07/celebrating-erdely-as-a-journalist/

    We are all Palestinians. The West is one big Information West Bank. Occupied territory.

  103. Anon[329] • Disclaimer says:

    If dogs like Jeong believe in UVA rape hoax after the fact, then expect her to believe in Russian collusion for the rest of her life.

    Just like Korean Christians are fanatical about Christianity even after whites gave it up, the likes of Jeong will stick to PC nonsense even after the MSM admits it was phony.

  104. @AndrewR
    He may have made a pass at a married white woman but that doesn't justify brutal murder.

    I would say that his murderers and their jurors set whites back by a century but I'm sure our (((elites))) would have found another case to beat whites over the head with 60+ years later.

    I would say that his murderers and their jurors set whites back by a century…

    1855 redux?

    … but I’m sure our (((elites))) would have found another case to beat whites over the head with 60+ years later.

    Yes, and Black crime, and cases such as OJ Simpson, don’t seem to harm the Black brand. Only Whites have agency, apparently.

  105. @eah
    Suggestion: do the same for the word "Holocaust" -- don't forget to capitalize it.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkCx077UwAAipJQ.jpg

    Alternate idea: instead of censorship, FB should ask these 'Holocaust' experts to provide a reply to any content on FB they find wrong or offensive -- FB should then publish it right beside the wrong/offensive content in a way that no one could miss it -- then readers could compare and decide for themselves.

    Holocaust-Leugnerin Ursula Haverbeck scheitert in Karlsruhe

    89 y/o Ursula Haverbeck lost her appeal and must spend two years in jail.

    Americans need to consider if they want such things to happen in the US -- because it's the next step.

    If Facebook wants to kick off Holocaust deniers–got no problem with it, it’s their site.

    However, if they are going to pose as guardians of truth and toss off politically motivated lies, then there are plenty of them that are even more obvious and provable then Holocaust denial. Starting with those people who deny that natural selection–working in different geographic and cultural environments–has created substantial genetic variation, anatomical, physiological and behavioral between various races and ethnic groups.

    People who deny this are natural selection deniers–essentially deniers of logic–in order to support a political ideology of state power, control and oppression.

  106. @DFH

    Emmett Till, who was murdered by whites
     
    Didn't a couple of blacks help out?

    Yes.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Really? Why?
  107. @Anonymous
    To repeat for the billionth time: Till was not innocent.

    White people who lived in 50% black areas did not--repeat, did not--just lynch random "youths" for no reason.

    Lat week there was a story of a black woman who kidnapped, tortured and burn alive a white baby. This case is still being investigated but from preliminary reports appears to be a simple race hate crime. Blacks hate whites and kill their babies.

    More than sixty years ago a precocious black teenager annoyed a white woman and her husband killed him. Race may have been part of the motivation or maybe not. Had Emmet Till been white and had done exactly the same thing that he did, and the husband had heard exactly the same account from the offended wife – maybe he would have killed him irrespective of his race.. The case seemed to be about sex and honor and only partially about race. Of course blacks rape or sexually molest women at many. many times the white or East Asian rate. If you hear of a woman being raped it is likely to have been at the hands of a negro.

    What do you think the husband would have done had Till been white? Would he have just had a beer with a white teenager and laughed about it? Are we to believe that this husband didn’t care about the attack on his wife but just on the color of the attacker?

    Horst Wessel was shot by Communists and Goebbels made it a propaganda case. The same has been done with Emmitt Till.

    • Replies: @Anon

    What do you think the husband would have done had Till been white? Would he have just had a beer with a white teenager and laughed about it? Are we to believe that this husband didn’t care about the attack on his wife but just on the color of the attacker?
     
    What would a group of urban blacks have done if Till were white and the wife or girlfriend was black?
  108. @JimB
    And Garcia Zarate got away with murdering Kate Steinle showing that the only redress for white privilege in 1955 is Brown privilege in 2018.

    Bestter, Steve should try searching the NYT for the name “Channon Christian”.

    Far, far more horrific than Emmett Till and more or less explains why he was killed.

    And her very name, picture, story is an anathema to the NYT–destroys their nasty narrative of “America”.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    And her very name, picture, story is an anathema to the NYT–destroys their nasty narrative of “America”.
     
    But it also doesn't constitute news, as it happens every day in every city.

    That's what the Times implies by its silence. The Till thing is so rare, they have to reach back sixty years or more for an example.
    , @Anon

    Far, far more horrific than Emmett Till and more or less explains why he was killed.
     
    What explanation does it give?
    , @Jack D
    Maybe I'm thick headed, but I don't see how what happened to Christian justifies killing a black teenager 50 years earlier. Till (unlike his daddy) did not rape and torture or even threaten to rape and torture a white woman. He merely made an unsuccessful pass at a white woman and indicated that in his view it was OK for white women to voluntarily date black men. Now this was a spectacularly stupid thing to say in Mississippi in 1955 but it has nothing to do with what happened to Christian.

    The Snopes account gives a pretty fair account of the facts in the Christian case (but it makes a lot of excuses for why it should not be considered a racial incident and why it received no national coverage - nothing to see here, move along):

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/newsomchristian-murders/
  109. @David
    Non criminal blacks relish the chance to be falsely accused. They provoke it to justify their sense of injury and vindictiveness, adding meaning to their lives.

    Actually, being falsely accused, or simply followed around in a store is incredibly annoying and sometimes dangerous. A know black engineering professors in top universities. I was talking with one about all the little instances in life where he is made to feel unwelcome. “What drives you crazy,” he told me, “is that you never know if this is something that would happen to anyone, or if it because you are black.” He was stopped by police for having a screen on in his car when driving at night, for example. He had someone run their grocery cart into him in the store, possibly intentionally. Could happen to anyone, he admits, but he thinks it happens to him more because he is black. It probably does.
    Life is weird, even at the top, and it is not relished by normal, smart, and competent people. It is understandable, of course, if one takes the time to understand, but not a source of any pleasure.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Actually, being falsely accused, or simply followed around in a store is incredibly annoying
     
    Look, shopkeepers need to protect their merchandise.
    , @Ben tillman
    Did anyone else read that comment and picture Woody Allen on a tennis court?
  110. @anonymous
    Emmitt Till was not an innocent "boy" - instead he was a very sexually aggressive teen who was seriously sexually harassing a married Southern Woman.

    Southerners - Black and White have a strong sense of honor and do like their wives, daughters, mothers to be sexually harassed or raped.

    No, Emmitt Till did not deserve to be killed, instead he should have received a serious as* whooping.

    And why didn't Emmitt Till's mother and father do a better job of raising him, teaching him to respect married women?

    One reason is that Emmitt Till's father wasn't around because he was:

    Arrested
    Prosecuted and convicted then
    EXECUTED for raping many Italian women when he was a solider in the US army during World War II.

    Like father like son.

    I can’t believe it took until comment 54 for someone to bring up Emmitt Till’s father’s story.

  111. @Anon
    Can we search for the term Becky? What about Mayonnaise? I vaguely remember an Anne Coulter reference to a site called Lexus Nexus where this could be done. Alternatively, it may be possible to use the Google search engine to look for "Becky" by year. This, admittedly, isn't as good as using the Times because the Google search engine might simply quantify the number of people talking about the issue rather than catalogue propaganda efforts to popularize a term by US news outlets ("Becky" + "New York Times" in Google, by year?).

    Since discovering your blog I’ve often wondered if you had a Lexis/Nexis account. In law school I had unfettered access to the entire search engine for three years and it was like a crack addiction. Once you got the hang of its protocols its searchability -and the content it could access – was genuinely staggering…infinitely superior to Google. The whole point of giving law students free access to it was, in fact, to get you addicted so that when you went into practice you’d use it over their competitor, WestLaw. No idea what it costs these days but I really, really miss it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    What sort of things did you get into researching using it? What was so addictive?
  112. @anon
    Has anybody noticed that you can't pull up Taki's Magazine on Google Chrome?

    What are you, a teenage girl?

  113. Your theory is that the NYT pushes the historical racism porn slash white privilege continuum in order to drown out hate hoaxes as a thing.

    I think more along the lines of the fact that sociology research has proven that while white people do get incensed when they are informed of their impending demographic dispossession, the best way to lull them back to sleep is to remind them of their (non-existent) “privilege.”

  114. @eah
    Suggestion: do the same for the word "Holocaust" -- don't forget to capitalize it.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkCx077UwAAipJQ.jpg

    Alternate idea: instead of censorship, FB should ask these 'Holocaust' experts to provide a reply to any content on FB they find wrong or offensive -- FB should then publish it right beside the wrong/offensive content in a way that no one could miss it -- then readers could compare and decide for themselves.

    Holocaust-Leugnerin Ursula Haverbeck scheitert in Karlsruhe

    89 y/o Ursula Haverbeck lost her appeal and must spend two years in jail.

    Americans need to consider if they want such things to happen in the US -- because it's the next step.

    Re: tech censorship. A few months ago I searched for some stuff on the David Irving and Ernst Zundel trials and thereafter, much to my amusement, YouTube’s suggestion algorithms started blitzing me with holocaust revisionism videos. And there’s a ton of that stuff on YouTube, even now, though some of it is on restricted status. Their method seems to be to let videos without a lot of views stay up, but once they gain any viral momentum they try to keep it contained. They don’t even seem to care if the videos are mirrored as long as the views stay low. It’s odd that they recommend and censor these kinds of videos simultaneously, but I guess that’s just baked into the recommendation system.

    • Replies: @eah
    YouTube’s suggestion algorithms started blitzing me with holocaust revisionism videos

    Yes, you can (still) find revisionist videos on Youtube; however I know of some that have been removed -- such videos are usually blocked if you try to access them from a domain where 'Holocaust denial' is illegal (eg DE, FR).

    AMZN banned CODOH books last year.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    A few months ago I searched for some stuff on the David Irving and Ernst Zundel trials...
     
    I gave up on Irving when he insisted Hitler was a normal straight man.

    One should have a right to be wrong, though.
  115. @Intelligent Dasein

    The farther Emmett Till recedes into the historical rear-view mirror, the larger he looms.
     
    Exactly.

    1955 was a heck of a long time ago. Does this stuff ever stop? Or does a certain generation just continue to obsess about the same handful of totemic incidents which it elevates into revelations of cosmic importance?

    This cloying attempt to immanentize the eschaton along racial justice lines is literally driving the West insane, bending weak minds to its will, warping everything around it like an evil spell. Such things, it seems, only end in great upheavals, catastrophes, and deluges. The lie has insinuated itself into everything and everything will have to change as it snaps back into shape when the lie blows off in great solar flares of catharsis.

    As the French philosopher Alain Finkielkraut said in 2005, “The lofty idea of ‘the war on racism’ is gradually turning into a hideously false ideology. And this anti-racism will be for the 21st century what Communism was for the 20th century: A source of violence.”

    (For those who keep track, Finkielkraut is Jewish.)

    • Replies: @Anon
    What was his reasoning for that conclusion. Was this in a particular essay or book?
    , @Jack D
    The full interview is well worth reading:

    https://www.haaretz.com/1.4882406

    What is interesting is that the dynamic in France is almost exactly like that in the US (except perhaps there have been fewer black anti-Semitic attacks), except that we have mostly blacks and a few Muslims while in France they have blacks (most of whom are Muslim) AND Muslims (who are mostly Arab) and the French slums are in the suburbs instead of the inner city. But otherwise the parallels are very strong - you could substitute a few words in the article and transplant the whole situation to the US. At its very root, "anti-racism" is the modern Communism - at bottom it is rooted in hatred of Western civilization and all of its symbols. Western civilization must be destroyed because its success makes non-Western civilizations look bad.

    The Jews of France (if Finkielkraut is representative) see more clearly than the Jews of America which side their bread is buttered on and it is not with the haters of the West.
  116. @James Speaks
    I see 'Becky' used in a racially hostile way, but not so much as to demean Beckys for being somehow 'less than' but rather for their innate capacity through whiteness/attractiveness to be innately 'more than.'

    'Becky' is raced-based hostility, but is it a slur or is it an invective?

    I'll take Becky over Aunt Jemima any day of the week.

    I’ll take Becky over Aunt Jemima any day of the week.

    Not on my pancakes.

    I worked with a black Jemima once, but this was in England, and she was an “Island Girl”. Jemima is not that uncommon a name for white girls in the UK. The daughter in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang is Jemima.

    (The mother is a weepy moron. Ian Fleming really was a misogynist, going by that.)

    • Replies: @Jack D

    Not on my pancakes.
     
    In the old racist America, blacks were hated so much that we put their picture on packaged goods. Because of this, not a single box of Aunt Jemima pancake mix was ever sold south of the Mason-Dixon line. As a badge of their hatred, the owners of the mill renamed their company "Aunt Jemima Mills".
  117. @AnotherDad
    Bestter, Steve should try searching the NYT for the name "Channon Christian".

    Far, far more horrific than Emmett Till and more or less explains why he was killed.

    And her very name, picture, story is an anathema to the NYT--destroys their nasty narrative of "America".

    And her very name, picture, story is an anathema to the NYT–destroys their nasty narrative of “America”.

    But it also doesn’t constitute news, as it happens every day in every city.

    That’s what the Times implies by its silence. The Till thing is so rare, they have to reach back sixty years or more for an example.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Anon

    But it also doesn’t constitute news, as it happens every day in every city.
     
    What happens every day? Such as what?
  118. @Jack D
    Due to the 1st Amendment, Holocaust denial and espousal of Nazi ideology cannot be made a crime in the US. Germany has no exact equivalent of the 1st Amendment and, for obvious reasons, believes that it is important to prevent a revival of Nazism which not only destroyed European Jewry but also caused immeasurable damage to Germany itself. America has a long history of protection of free speech (and no history of starting world wars) so it strikes the balance in a different way. I'd say that both countries got it right for their own conditions.

    Due to the 1st Amendment, Holocaust denial and espousal of Nazi ideology cannot be made a crime in the US.

    All it would take for denial and/or espousal of Nazi ideology to be made a crime in the US is for someone like Hillary to be elected president and get to name a few Supreme Court justices. Then anything leftists don’t like will be proclaimed hate speech and equivalent to yelling “Fire!” in a crowded theater. The First Amendment will not protect us.

    • Agree: snorlax
    • Replies: @snorlax
    NB: The current leftist definition of "Nazi" extends to Candace Owens, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro etc. So in other words, Democrats retaking power means all even slightly or partially right-of-center thought will be outlawed. Every election for the foreseeable future is going to be another Flight 93 Election.
  119. @Jack D
    What law abiding blacks want (and I can't say that I blame them) is to be included inside the trust circle. It must be annoying/infuriating to be a middle class black person and followed around the store because they think that you are a shoplifter and so on. But, what blacks don't seem to realize is that trust must be earned and that stereotypes don't come from thin air but are based on reality. What seems to be missing from the black way of looking at this is any desire or willingness to pressure the less law abiding portions of black society to stop doing shit that gives black people a bad reputation. Yes in some cases there has been white overreaction or mistaken reaction (e.g. where whites see a black "burglar" who is breaking into his own home because he has forgotten his keys) but given the crime statistics, it is an understandable and not "racist" assumption that a black dude breaking a window is a burglar and not the homeowner (even if you might give a white "burglar" the benefit of the doubt).

    I actually don’t think that anyone has articulated the desire to be included inside the trust circle, because the concept of trust circles, and the related concept of honor circles, is not part of common discourse.

    Instead, we have the misuse of the term “privilege,” and the denial, for example, that a working class or poor white person is “privileged.” A working class or poor white person can easily access the trust benefits of being white, simply by being of good appearance and showing polite and respectful behavior. (Lose half your teeth or get a face tattoo and you are out, of course.) This is objective reality.

    I would be happy if people stopped cavilling about the existence of the phenomenon and considered it as an adaptive strategy, for example, and considered trust and honor relationships in the same way that people pore over cousin marriages and inheritance customs.

    I commented elsewhere on the frustrations of highly accomplished blacks finding themselves outside the trust circle.

  120. Black privilege in the news.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/how-yara-shahidi-became-face-brain-young-hollywood-1132710

    “The subject of one of her 
college application essays, she tells me, was “this idea that people perpetuate that you have to choose between education and entertainment.” A second essay, fashioned as a letter to her future roommate, included warnings about the chocolate she hides in her bed and the constant drone of NPR podcasts with which anyone sharing space with Shahidi will need to get comfortable. Those pieces, along with her perfect GPA, a letter of recommendation from Michelle Obama and her status as a budding voice of her generation, gained her admission to every school she applied to, including Stanford, Yale and historically black women’s college Spelman.”

    She wasn’t a National Merit Scholar or National AP Scholar (4+ on 8+ exams) like the few thousand or so Asians that got rejected. But she does have a perfect GPA. An interesting statistic: 50% of US high school students have a perfect GPA but only 23% are reading at grade level.

  121. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ben tillman
    Yes.

    Really? Why?

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    They worked for Carolyn's husband.
  122. @Jack D
    I disagree with you. Till's offense was not just that he was an outsider that had propositioned someone's woman, it was that he was doing so while crossing racial lines. A white kid from Chicago might had merited a beating for doing what Till did, but they would not have killed him.

    A white kid from Chicago might had merited a beating for doing what Till did, but they would not have killed him.

    He’d be a “Yankee”. That’s who Southerners hate, not their beloved African pets.

    Till was euthanized, like so many here want to do with pit bulls.

  123. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Boyle
    Lat week there was a story of a black woman who kidnapped, tortured and burn alive a white baby. This case is still being investigated but from preliminary reports appears to be a simple race hate crime. Blacks hate whites and kill their babies.

    More than sixty years ago a precocious black teenager annoyed a white woman and her husband killed him. Race may have been part of the motivation or maybe not. Had Emmet Till been white and had done exactly the same thing that he did, and the husband had heard exactly the same account from the offended wife - maybe he would have killed him irrespective of his race.. The case seemed to be about sex and honor and only partially about race. Of course blacks rape or sexually molest women at many. many times the white or East Asian rate. If you hear of a woman being raped it is likely to have been at the hands of a negro.

    What do you think the husband would have done had Till been white? Would he have just had a beer with a white teenager and laughed about it? Are we to believe that this husband didn't care about the attack on his wife but just on the color of the attacker?

    Horst Wessel was shot by Communists and Goebbels made it a propaganda case. The same has been done with Emmitt Till.

    What do you think the husband would have done had Till been white? Would he have just had a beer with a white teenager and laughed about it? Are we to believe that this husband didn’t care about the attack on his wife but just on the color of the attacker?

    What would a group of urban blacks have done if Till were white and the wife or girlfriend was black?

  124. @AnotherDad
    Bestter, Steve should try searching the NYT for the name "Channon Christian".

    Far, far more horrific than Emmett Till and more or less explains why he was killed.

    And her very name, picture, story is an anathema to the NYT--destroys their nasty narrative of "America".

    Far, far more horrific than Emmett Till and more or less explains why he was killed.

    What explanation does it give?

  125. @Harry Baldwin
    As the French philosopher Alain Finkielkraut said in 2005, “The lofty idea of ‘the war on racism’ is gradually turning into a hideously false ideology. And this anti-racism will be for the 21st century what Communism was for the 20th century: A source of violence.”

    (For those who keep track, Finkielkraut is Jewish.)

    What was his reasoning for that conclusion. Was this in a particular essay or book?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Full interview: https://www.haaretz.com/1.4882406 (horrible amount of pop-ups)
  126. @Stan d Mute
    Hey Steve, any thoughts on why Emmet Till is the victim du jour while Hattie Carrol is forgotten? Poor Hattie was even memorialized by Bob Dylan. I’ve read that Hollis Brown led a fairly crappy life after his white privilege saved him from the electric chair..

    https://youtu.be/t_v3w30XdhI

    Like “Hattie Carroll”, Dylan’s “The Death of Emmett Till” was bleeding-heart bullsh*t.

    Some men they dragged him to a barn and there they beat him up.
    They said they had a reason, but I disremember what.

    I saw the morning papers but I could not bear
    To see the smiling brothers walkin’ down the courthouse stairs.

    Maybe he should’ve read the papers.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    I wonder if it would still be ok today for a commie Jew from Minnesota to write songs about Emmett and Hattie? I suspect not.

    I was also hoping someone would pick up on the rabid lefty absurdity of Hattie as a martyr since she suffered zero injury from Hollis’ “attack” and simply died of a heart attack because she was an obese negress with CAD. That case was the writing on the wall for us deplorables..
  127. @Jack D
    Due to the 1st Amendment, Holocaust denial and espousal of Nazi ideology cannot be made a crime in the US. Germany has no exact equivalent of the 1st Amendment and, for obvious reasons, believes that it is important to prevent a revival of Nazism which not only destroyed European Jewry but also caused immeasurable damage to Germany itself. America has a long history of protection of free speech (and no history of starting world wars) so it strikes the balance in a different way. I'd say that both countries got it right for their own conditions.

    Germany has no exact equivalent of the 1st Amendment and, for obvious reasons, believes that it is important to prevent a revival of Nazism which not only destroyed European Jewry but also caused immeasurable damage to Germany itself.

    I’ll defer to our German readers on the specifics of this, but it’s my understanding that Germany’s prohibitions on National Socialism are not viewed so much as censorship as a form of gang control. The NSDAP and any revivals are treated as criminal gangs.

    With good reason. They stole entire countries.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I supposed "gang" is to "party" as "cult" is to "religion". The Germans would like to contain Nazism at the gang level so it doesn't become a party (again). You put out the brush fire as soon as you see the first sparks and then you don't have to fight the raging forest fire. Now to us, putting an 89 year old lady in jail for Holocaust denial may seem like overkill but by German standards it is justified in their view (and I would not substitute my American perspective for theirs).
    , @eah
    I’ll defer to our German readers on the specifics of this

    See Artikel 5 of the German Grundgesetz (GG).
  128. @Stan d Mute
    Hey Steve, any thoughts on why Emmet Till is the victim du jour while Hattie Carrol is forgotten? Poor Hattie was even memorialized by Bob Dylan. I’ve read that Hollis Brown led a fairly crappy life after his white privilege saved him from the electric chair..

    https://youtu.be/t_v3w30XdhI

    I think the NYT folks have figured out that it’s best to focus on a few black victims and to constantly repeat their names and some useful version of their story–Harriet Tubman, Emmett Till, Rosa Parks, Trayvon “Skittles” Martin, Michael “Gentle Giant” Brown. That really hammers home the propaganda. Too many different names and stories and it becomes a confused blur.

  129. @Reg Cæsar

    And her very name, picture, story is an anathema to the NYT–destroys their nasty narrative of “America”.
     
    But it also doesn't constitute news, as it happens every day in every city.

    That's what the Times implies by its silence. The Till thing is so rare, they have to reach back sixty years or more for an example.

    But it also doesn’t constitute news, as it happens every day in every city.

    What happens every day? Such as what?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    What happens every day? Such as what?

     

    Things that don't make the papers.
  130. @Harry Baldwin
    Due to the 1st Amendment, Holocaust denial and espousal of Nazi ideology cannot be made a crime in the US.

    All it would take for denial and/or espousal of Nazi ideology to be made a crime in the US is for someone like Hillary to be elected president and get to name a few Supreme Court justices. Then anything leftists don't like will be proclaimed hate speech and equivalent to yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater. The First Amendment will not protect us.

    NB: The current leftist definition of “Nazi” extends to Candace Owens, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro etc. So in other words, Democrats retaking power means all even slightly or partially right-of-center thought will be outlawed. Every election for the foreseeable future is going to be another Flight 93 Election.

  131. @Harry Baldwin
    As the French philosopher Alain Finkielkraut said in 2005, “The lofty idea of ‘the war on racism’ is gradually turning into a hideously false ideology. And this anti-racism will be for the 21st century what Communism was for the 20th century: A source of violence.”

    (For those who keep track, Finkielkraut is Jewish.)

    The full interview is well worth reading:

    https://www.haaretz.com/1.4882406

    What is interesting is that the dynamic in France is almost exactly like that in the US (except perhaps there have been fewer black anti-Semitic attacks), except that we have mostly blacks and a few Muslims while in France they have blacks (most of whom are Muslim) AND Muslims (who are mostly Arab) and the French slums are in the suburbs instead of the inner city. But otherwise the parallels are very strong – you could substitute a few words in the article and transplant the whole situation to the US. At its very root, “anti-racism” is the modern Communism – at bottom it is rooted in hatred of Western civilization and all of its symbols. Western civilization must be destroyed because its success makes non-Western civilizations look bad.

    The Jews of France (if Finkielkraut is representative) see more clearly than the Jews of America which side their bread is buttered on and it is not with the haters of the West.

  132. @res

    What law abiding blacks want (and I can’t say that I blame them) is to be included inside the trust circle.
     
    Understood (and agreed). One thing which complicates this is the subset of blacks who simultaneously want:
    - That.
    - To be tolerated (celebrated even) for "acting black" (e.g. boisterous) whenever they want.
    - Slack for their cousin who really isn't trustworthy.
    - To not hold up the trust norms (e.g. snitches get stitches) in general.

    Those don't go well together.

    This is why treating people as individuals is best. It is supremely ironic that Southerners living with blacks seem to be much better about that while the SJWs can't seem to get beyond the stereotypes of "saintly blacks" and "evil racists."

    Great point. I read an article a few years ago that pointed out that white privilege is really a form of social capital based on whites (generally) observing certain norms.

    White privilege is a normative commons. A norm is a standard of behavior. A commons is a property that is maintained by a group, because it brings economic benefits to the group. A normative commons is a set of behaviors that brings benefits to a group.

    Many know the tragedy of the commons dilemma often quoted in Austrian economic theory. In this situation, the commons is destroyed. How is it destroyed and how is it maintained? For a commons to exist, the group must pay a cost: opportunity cost. In the grazing sheep example of the tragedy of the commons, the herders allow the field to be overgrazed and destroyed for all. Each herder who does not overgraze the field pays an opportunity cost. He has the opportunity to grab all the resources for himself, and deprive them to the next guy. When he only grazes responsibly, he forgoes the opportunity to grab all the resources for himself. Forgoing this opportunity is the opportunity cost. If everyone forgoes the opportunity cost, the commons is maintained, if they do not pay the opportunity cost, the commons is destroyed.

    In a normative commons, each person who forgoes the opportunity of breaking the norm, then pays the cost of maintaining the norms. So, when one lives in a White area, common areas such as shops (markets) will likely be open for browsing, because the norm of behavior is to not steal. Each time a White goes into a store and does not steal, he pays the opportunity cost, equal to the value of the items not stolen. By paying this cost, the norm of keeping shopping areas open to browsing is maintained. Areas with large numbers of Blacks experience increased incidence of crime. In these areas, the risk to shop owners or other providers to allow Blacks free access exceeds the benefits of open browsing (with a main benefit being increased economic velocity). Thus you see convenience stores with no common area, that only sell what can be passed through a bullet-proof teller window. The commons has been destroyed.

    https://propertarianforum.wordpress.com/2014/12/22/white-privilege-normative-commons/comment-page-1/

    • Replies: @Jack D
    This is sort of topsy-turvy in that it assumes that you have a natural right to steal other people's property and by refraining from exercising that right you are giving something up.
  133. @Reg Cæsar

    Germany has no exact equivalent of the 1st Amendment and, for obvious reasons, believes that it is important to prevent a revival of Nazism which not only destroyed European Jewry but also caused immeasurable damage to Germany itself.
     
    I'll defer to our German readers on the specifics of this, but it's my understanding that Germany's prohibitions on National Socialism are not viewed so much as censorship as a form of gang control. The NSDAP and any revivals are treated as criminal gangs.

    With good reason. They stole entire countries.

    I supposed “gang” is to “party” as “cult” is to “religion”. The Germans would like to contain Nazism at the gang level so it doesn’t become a party (again). You put out the brush fire as soon as you see the first sparks and then you don’t have to fight the raging forest fire. Now to us, putting an 89 year old lady in jail for Holocaust denial may seem like overkill but by German standards it is justified in their view (and I would not substitute my American perspective for theirs).

    • Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    "Now to us, putting an 89 year old lady in jail for Holocaust denial may seem like overkill but by German standards it is justified in their view (and I would not substitute my American perspective for theirs)."

    Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and substitute my American perspective for theirs: Modern-day Germany is populated by geldings. Free Ursula Haverbeck!
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I supposed “gang” is to “party” as “cult” is to “religion”.
     
    To us Papists, "cult" is historically a positive term. A small subset of the Church focused on a particular veneration. Other faiths often have the same under different terms, as do business and governments with their "committees" and "task forces".

    As with the once-venerable "myth", it's been terribly abused in modern usage.
  134. Anonymous[138] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "The growth of “Emmett Till” has correlated closely (r = 0.88) with the similarly increasing ubiquity of the phrase “white privilege.”"

    First, correlation does not equal causation.

    Second, not really sure what muddied point you are trying to make here, as your Taki story goes all over the map.

    Third, how many times did the term "white privilege" appear in those articles about Emmett Till from the NYT? You really didn't say...

    "If your head is stuffed full of the notion of “white privilege,” it’s only natural to remember “Emmett Till,” and vice-versa."

    IF being the operative word.

    “Emmett Till” and “white privilege” are mutually reinforcing pieces of the mental architecture of the average NYT reader."

    You are only guessing here. The person would have to actually read the Till story and understand its background and context in relation to his or her knowledge of, and acceptance or rejection of, that concept. Perhaps you could follow up with a story here.

    "In 1987, Tawana Brawley launched our present era of making up hate hoaxes against whites by claiming that the reason she got home late was because she was being gang-raped by six white policemen."

    First, you are unilaterally making this declaration, which may or may not be accurate. In other words, you have a false premise when it comes to "launching our present era of making up hate hoaxes".

    Second, indeed while there have been those "hate hoaxes" whose perpetrators have been or ought to have been brought to justice, you are conveniently whitewashing legitimate occurrences within the past 30 years.

    "Now, The New York Times would no doubt answer that it is merely responding to the great surfeit of events related to the Emmett Till case, such as a spat over whether a white artist should be allowed to display a painting of Emmett or whether only black painters should make money off the sacred subject."

    Bury the lede much?

    "On the other hand, the Times takes pride that it traditionally sets the agenda for the rest of the news business."

    You are forgetting WaPo and Fox News are also historically involved here.

    "So if the Times says that in 2018 Emmett Till is breaking news while Tawana Brawley is ancient history, lots of other influential media folks will follow its lead."

    COULD follow its lead. You would need to conduct a search on other news organizations regarding their number of Till stories in 2018 in order to lend support to your assertion, right?

    "Moreover, the press furnishes us with convenient concepts, such as “white privilege,” that make it easier to remember the facts they prefer you to know and harder to remember the facts that undermine the concepts."

    You mean like how you use "hate hoax" and "race realism"? Couldn't help but NOTICE.

    I’ve previously worked in media in Manhattan and have spent much of my life dealing with liberals in the New York Metropolitan area, both in and outside of media.

    Liberal journalists regard the New York Times as the Bible. To them, that shitty newspaper is a holy document. Virtually all liberal journalists care about what the NYT writes and take their cues directly from the New York Times.

    The esteem with which liberal journalist hold the New York times is equaled by the NYT’s readership. So yeah, what the New York Times says and doesn’t say largely dictates discourse in our society (at least among liberals and some independents), which was the whole point of Steve’s column. This doesn’t mean EVERY other liberal news source is publishing more stories about Till, but regardless, the NYT established The Narrative and the rest of the mainstream media tends to follow suit.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Liberal journalists regard the New York Times as the Bible. To them, that shitty newspaper is a holy document. Virtually all liberal journalists care about what the NYT writes and take their cues directly from the New York Times."

    That's not how journalism works. Someone who supposedly is part and parcel to it would know better.

    "The esteem with which liberal journalist hold the New York times is equaled by the NYT’s readership. So yeah, what the New York Times says and doesn’t say largely dictates discourse in our society (at least among liberals and some independents), which was the whole point of Steve’s column."

    No, it's what the MEDIA, RIGHT OR LEFT, says or doesn't say, as evident by the last quote I provided.

    "This doesn’t mean EVERY other liberal news source is publishing more stories about Till, but regardless, the NYT established The Narrative and the rest of the mainstream media tends to follow suit."

    At times the NYT sets the tone, and other times other publications take the lead. No different than conservative radio programming, which dominates the airwaves, publications...and Fox News.
  135. @AnotherDad
    Bestter, Steve should try searching the NYT for the name "Channon Christian".

    Far, far more horrific than Emmett Till and more or less explains why he was killed.

    And her very name, picture, story is an anathema to the NYT--destroys their nasty narrative of "America".

    Maybe I’m thick headed, but I don’t see how what happened to Christian justifies killing a black teenager 50 years earlier. Till (unlike his daddy) did not rape and torture or even threaten to rape and torture a white woman. He merely made an unsuccessful pass at a white woman and indicated that in his view it was OK for white women to voluntarily date black men. Now this was a spectacularly stupid thing to say in Mississippi in 1955 but it has nothing to do with what happened to Christian.

    The Snopes account gives a pretty fair account of the facts in the Christian case (but it makes a lot of excuses for why it should not be considered a racial incident and why it received no national coverage – nothing to see here, move along):

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/newsomchristian-murders/

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Jack, the sheer force and intensity of violence inflicted on Channon, makes it one of the most vile crimes ever committed against a woman in the US, not to mention that her boyfriend suffered an equally horrific murder prior to her rape-torture-mutilation death.
    , @AnotherDad

    Maybe I’m thick headed, but I don’t see how what happened to Christian justifies killing a black teenager 50 years earlier.
     
    Geez. I tend to go long to explain my points and was trying to write less.

    By "explains" I meant "explains" in the broad sociological sense:

    What you had--still have--in the South is a situation where the majority population faces a large aggrieved minority which is considerably deficient in "conscientiousness", self-control and considerably more prone to violence and barbaric behavior. (And of course in the Delta the whites are not the majority but a minority.) To live "as whites"--actually just to maintain some semblance of civilization--in close proximity to lots of blacks, the whites tried to enforce some sort of racial code to preventively suppress black criminality--including the rape of white women, the harrassment of white women as well as simply chatting them up and knocking them up.


    Note: i grew up with typical "damn yankee" attitudes toward all this from my liberal Irish-Catholic father. But he--typically--grew up someplace (Iowa)--where there were basically no blacks. When one actually takes a moment to understand the situation white southerners faced, one has a lot more sympathy for their situation and the measures they took. A bunch of it was illegimate in terms of the American constitutional project. But it wasn't crazy. It's a legitimate tough problem. Yet another reason, one people nations are simply better.

    Channon Christian--though an extreme case--is a demonstration of this, as are thousands upon thousands of less gruesome incidents every year.

    Accursed be our ancestors who heeded the siren song of "cheap labor".
    , @AnotherDad

    The Snopes account gives a pretty fair account of the facts in the Christian case (but it makes a lot of excuses for why it should not be considered a racial incident and why it received no national coverage – nothing to see here, move along):
     
    Snopes specialty is narrative compliant "fact checking".

    The plain fact is the Christian/Newsome rape/torture/murder is pretty obviously a racial hate crime. Random almost stereotypically white-white victims were picked out and subjected to not just rape and murder but horrific abuse and torture.

    While the Emmett Till murder, while having a strong racial element--a white lowlife would almost certainly have gotten off with only a punching out--was not a "hate crime" but rather targeted at a particular person for their very particular behavior. The sort of behavior--involving sexual advances and sexual mate guarding--that leads to thousands of fights every day and puts thousands of people in the hospital every year and probably results in a few hundred murders (most of them by blacks) every year.
    , @Olorin
    You're asking us to rely on Snopes for fact checking?

    Barbara and David Mikkelson couldn't even get straight who was accessing the marital and corporate bank accounts, and for what uses (i.e., business expenses versus strippers/dominatrixes/prostitutes/"girlfriends").

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-24/snopescom-implodes-resorts-gofundme

    I'd refer people to Nicholas Stix's dogged reporting on the topic of the Knoxville Horror both in these pages and at VDARE, AmRen, and his own blog.

    https://www.unz.com/article/with-new-charges-the-knoxville-horror-is-a-live-case-again-possibly-with-more-indictments-to-come/

    You're also overlooking the fact that in 1955 Mississippi, whites were a minority in many rural areas. Emmett Till was a city boy who brought the behaviors of a sexual predator--like his own father had been executed for exercising--to a town where people didn't stand for that.

    Including, it seems, some black people.

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/02/cashing-in-on-emmett-till/

    But we must at all costs ignore the aquifer that periodically gushes cataclysmically: black male sexual predation. Which appears to be a constant back to the mid-17th century on these shores. The period when early slaveholder Anthony Johnson refused to free John Casor. Bearing in mind that of the five people whose labor and fates were owned by Angolan Johnson, four were white.

  136. @27 year old
    Speaking of Narratives waxing and waning

    I recently met a German guy about my age who was vacationing in America

    We talked World Cup and Team Germany for a while which led to him telling me he was aware there has been a deliberate campaign to suppress feelings of nationalism among Germans and he went on to say that the country really needed to move on because “it’s been 80 years”.

    27, Good luck with that. Slavery in the US ended in 1865, unless you read the MSM or listen to NPR or watch PBS, in which case it ended recently or maybe not at all.

  137. @Jack D
    I supposed "gang" is to "party" as "cult" is to "religion". The Germans would like to contain Nazism at the gang level so it doesn't become a party (again). You put out the brush fire as soon as you see the first sparks and then you don't have to fight the raging forest fire. Now to us, putting an 89 year old lady in jail for Holocaust denial may seem like overkill but by German standards it is justified in their view (and I would not substitute my American perspective for theirs).

    “Now to us, putting an 89 year old lady in jail for Holocaust denial may seem like overkill but by German standards it is justified in their view (and I would not substitute my American perspective for theirs).”

    Yeah I’m gonna go ahead and substitute my American perspective for theirs: Modern-day Germany is populated by geldings. Free Ursula Haverbeck!

  138. @Jack D
    Maybe I'm thick headed, but I don't see how what happened to Christian justifies killing a black teenager 50 years earlier. Till (unlike his daddy) did not rape and torture or even threaten to rape and torture a white woman. He merely made an unsuccessful pass at a white woman and indicated that in his view it was OK for white women to voluntarily date black men. Now this was a spectacularly stupid thing to say in Mississippi in 1955 but it has nothing to do with what happened to Christian.

    The Snopes account gives a pretty fair account of the facts in the Christian case (but it makes a lot of excuses for why it should not be considered a racial incident and why it received no national coverage - nothing to see here, move along):

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/newsomchristian-murders/

    Jack, the sheer force and intensity of violence inflicted on Channon, makes it one of the most vile crimes ever committed against a woman in the US, not to mention that her boyfriend suffered an equally horrific murder prior to her rape-torture-mutilation death.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I completely agree. I also think that because the crime COULD have been construed as having a racial dimension (i.e it was black on white), the national MSM has stayed a million miles away from it and the story is unknown to most. The LAST thing in the world that the MSM wants is to promote a symbol of white martyrdom.

    However, I still don't see how this explains why Till was killed as AD claims.
    , @Stan d Mute
    As Jack said, every day. Ever hear of Paula Sladewski? Of course not. Nor a thousand others who died horribly like Channon did.

    https://crimewatchdaily.com/2016/03/07/miami-murder-mystery-who-killed-model-outside-after-hours-club/

    Jonathon Foster? Was Channon’s fate worse than his?

    https://jimfishertruecrime.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-mona-nelson-blow-torch-murder-case.html

    Every damn day. The savagery is gut wrenching.

    So when I read endlessly about some son of a rapist murderer (of white wimmins) getting beaten to death for sexually harassing a white woman, sixty three years ago (!!!), forgive me for an absolute lack of empathy, sympathy, or even remotely caring.
  139. SMK says: • Website
    @AndrewR
    He may have made a pass at a married white woman but that doesn't justify brutal murder.

    I would say that his murderers and their jurors set whites back by a century but I'm sure our (((elites))) would have found another case to beat whites over the head with 60+ years later.

    The point is that the murder of Till was exceptional. The typical black who was lynched was not a 13-year-0ld who flirted with a married woman but a low-IQ savage who brutally raped and/or murdered a white woman or adolescent girl, a subhuman beast like the Carr Brothers and Knoxville savages. And well over a thousand white males were also lynched, usually for similar crimes.

    The left-liberal white-hating media lies even when it tells the truth, generally, about an atypical lynching, emphasizing a murder that was rare as a symbol of white evil and “raicsm” while denying, ignoring, distorting, and suppressing the realities of lynching in general.

    • Agree: AndrewR
  140. @Reg Cæsar

    I’ll take Becky over Aunt Jemima any day of the week.
     
    Not on my pancakes.

    I worked with a black Jemima once, but this was in England, and she was an "Island Girl". Jemima is not that uncommon a name for white girls in the UK. The daughter in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang is Jemima.

    (The mother is a weepy moron. Ian Fleming really was a misogynist, going by that.)

    Not on my pancakes.

    In the old racist America, blacks were hated so much that we put their picture on packaged goods. Because of this, not a single box of Aunt Jemima pancake mix was ever sold south of the Mason-Dixon line. As a badge of their hatred, the owners of the mill renamed their company “Aunt Jemima Mills”.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    In the old racist America, blacks were hated so much that we put their picture on packaged goods. Because of this, not a single box of Aunt Jemima pancake mix was ever sold south of the Mason-Dixon line. As a badge of their hatred, the owners of the mill renamed their company “Aunt Jemima Mills”.

     

    And those nasty white Americans bought a lot more Aunt Jemima than Mrs Butterworth's, driving the latter to suicide.

    http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/TV/9911/17/obit.bergman.poss/

    , @Forbes
    In the 1960s, there was a restaurant chain, Aunt Jemima Pancake House, with people going there for dinner! Not just a breakfast place like IHOP--International House of Pancakes.

    Of course, in the '60s families didn't "go out" for breakfast...
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    They used to have pancake houses called "Sambo's."

    After this guy:

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61NhrPqASZL._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

    If you're not familiar with the story, tigers trap him in a tree, thrn run around the tree so fast they melt, and his mother makes them into pancakes.

    https://www.capegazette.com/sites/capegazette/files/2016/01/field/image/IMG_5294.jpg

  141. @Anon
    What was his reasoning for that conclusion. Was this in a particular essay or book?

    Full interview: https://www.haaretz.com/1.4882406 (horrible amount of pop-ups)

  142. @Harry Baldwin
    Great point. I read an article a few years ago that pointed out that white privilege is really a form of social capital based on whites (generally) observing certain norms.

    White privilege is a normative commons. A norm is a standard of behavior. A commons is a property that is maintained by a group, because it brings economic benefits to the group. A normative commons is a set of behaviors that brings benefits to a group.

    Many know the tragedy of the commons dilemma often quoted in Austrian economic theory. In this situation, the commons is destroyed. How is it destroyed and how is it maintained? For a commons to exist, the group must pay a cost: opportunity cost. In the grazing sheep example of the tragedy of the commons, the herders allow the field to be overgrazed and destroyed for all. Each herder who does not overgraze the field pays an opportunity cost. He has the opportunity to grab all the resources for himself, and deprive them to the next guy. When he only grazes responsibly, he forgoes the opportunity to grab all the resources for himself. Forgoing this opportunity is the opportunity cost. If everyone forgoes the opportunity cost, the commons is maintained, if they do not pay the opportunity cost, the commons is destroyed.

    In a normative commons, each person who forgoes the opportunity of breaking the norm, then pays the cost of maintaining the norms. So, when one lives in a White area, common areas such as shops (markets) will likely be open for browsing, because the norm of behavior is to not steal. Each time a White goes into a store and does not steal, he pays the opportunity cost, equal to the value of the items not stolen. By paying this cost, the norm of keeping shopping areas open to browsing is maintained. Areas with large numbers of Blacks experience increased incidence of crime. In these areas, the risk to shop owners or other providers to allow Blacks free access exceeds the benefits of open browsing (with a main benefit being increased economic velocity). Thus you see convenience stores with no common area, that only sell what can be passed through a bullet-proof teller window. The commons has been destroyed.
     
    https://propertarianforum.wordpress.com/2014/12/22/white-privilege-normative-commons/comment-page-1/

    This is sort of topsy-turvy in that it assumes that you have a natural right to steal other people’s property and by refraining from exercising that right you are giving something up.

    • Replies: @Buddwing

    This is sort of topsy-turvy in that it assumes that you have a natural right to steal other people’s property and by refraining from exercising that right you are giving something up.
     
    No, there is a natural opportunity, which you give up by creating a system of cultural norms that forbid stealing.

    Many cultures create norms of not stealing from the in-group, but anyone in an out-group is fair game. Our culture once allowed the enslavement of members of some out-groups, but we gave up this opportunity by creating a no-slavery norm. We called the norm a natural right.

    As I recall, the assertion of this norm resulted in intense discussion with a fair degree of heat back in 1861-1865.

    , @AndrewR
    What does "natural right" mean? You fail to distinguish nature from morality, law and foresight. As an able-bodied individual, nature endows me with the ability to go steal any number of items from my local Kroger. There is no logical reason to not call this ability a "natural right." I don't steal ftom there, however, because

    a) it would offend my conscience

    b) I don't want to run the risk (however small) of being caught

    c) I have a vested interest in ensuring this store stays open

    But every time I shop there and don't steal, I am paying a cost.

    Many people are very happy to pay this cost in order to prevent feelings of guilt and/or legal repercussions. Thieves, by definition, are unhappy paying this cost, so they steal, thus costing their victims the value of the stolen items. The thieves also cost society more broadly in social capital.

  143. The growth of “Emmett Till” has correlated closely (r = 0.88) with the similarly increasing ubiquity of the phrase “white privilege.”

    r = 0.88 + ranting about “white privilege”/black bodies?

    Golly, even the Old Gray Hag’s institutional subconscious is playing Stormeresque sh!tlord.

    A sign of the proximity to total psychological breakdown of both the Dems and the left, btw. It’s like when you take newbies on their first backpacking foray in dense forested high country. At some point, they get a sense of being lost, they panic, and they start running face first into 300-foot-tall trees’ trunks. In fact there are safe and sane paths out of there, in all directions…but their amygdalas apparently can’t see it. Or more troubling, prefer the dark erotic charge of being lost and in a panic.

  144. @Tyrion 2
    I was in Egypt during the revolution/Al Sisi coup. The people I met were ecstatic. I can't get over how many Westerners don't realise that he is a moderate patriot doing an exceedingly difficult job.

    Morsi lied horrifically to gain power and then proceeded to try to start a cultural revolution. Practically everyone in the region knew that he had become bad news. When you have backbenchers proposing that the "pagan" pyramids should be hidden under wax, you know you're not dealing with people who care about their culture, history and society.

    It really is true that in following foreign policy news you need to sketch out whatever the opposite is of what American mainstream news reports. It’s like living in a communist country in that respect.

  145. @Anon

    . I can’t get over how many Westerners don’t realise that he is a moderate patriot doing an exceedingly difficult job.
     
    I agree, but perhaps the people you met were not entirely representative? Not that I think the majority of Egyptians actually support Morsi-ism, but there's a bit much extreme fringe-Islamic weirdness in Egypt for comfort.

    Part of what made Kirkpatrick’s slanted history so offensive is neocons are pretty much the only people who talk like this (cf people who still claim that Saddam Hussein was working with Osama bin Laden). It’s an extreme and delusional position they hope to normalize with Streisanding media coverage.

  146. @Prof. Woland
    Emmett Till and similar tales are background noise for the media to play when they are not running more purposeful propaganda. It is essentially filler that is used to not only reinforce the narrative but to keep counter arguments from filling the void.

    One of the things I find so vomit-able about NPR using this narrative is that our public airwaves don't seem to be for the majority of the public or only a subset of the public. They seem far more interested these days in immigration / "migrants" / fake refugees / etc. When they are not running sob stories or stories about how they have to deal with hate, you get the anti-white propaganda mixed in such as Holocaust reminders / Emmett Till / etc. It is sort of a one-two punch combination designed to keep their enemies off balance and never allow a counter punch.

    One of my fantasies is taking over a NPR station for a day and playing a counter narrative for 24 hours. Just simply flipping the script would probably make liberals ears bleed. I don't think that sharing stations or requiring equal time would work because the are so converged that nothing good would be allowed to emerge. Better yet, the alt-right should build a station of their own such as KPFA and then grab the popcorn.

    Just now advertised on NPR: an upcoming “discussion” about Charlottesville. “People died … the president blamed both sides. How does that make you feel?” The people who died were mostly police officers who were in a crashing helicopter which appears to have been totally unrelated to the violence, and an overweight woman who had a heart attack after she decided to block traffic. The mayor and police officials were expressly one hundred percent on the side of antifa and deliberately arranged the march path to result in a confrontation. After the deaths their jobs are as secure as Scott Israel’s.

  147. @Jack D

    First, you are unilaterally making this declaration, which may or may not be accurate. In other words, you have a false premise when it comes to “launching our present era of making up hate hoaxes”.
     
    You move the goalposts awfully quickly. First you say that calling Tawana Brawley incident the pioneer of modern hate hoaxes "may or may not" be accurate and then 5 words later you label it a "false premise".

    And yet you do not rebut Steve in any way. If the Brawley incident is not the 1st prominent modern anti-white hate hoax (there is a long history of false accusations against blacks and Jews), then what is?

    Hate hoaxes are a sign of mob power and mob power can only exist with the consent or willingness to look the other way of the authorities. You'll notice that the Jews of Europe never used to accuse Christians of using Jewish blood to make communion wafers. In the pre-Civil Rights South, blacks never lynched white people for raping their women. So the era of anti-white hate hoaxes was a sign of ascendant black power in America. In the old America, Brawley would have been arrested for making a false report and Sharpton for disturbing the peace and no respectable white newspaper would have given credence to their phony stories, but something changed.


    Second, indeed while there have been those “hate hoaxes” whose perpetrators have been or ought to have been brought to justice, you are conveniently whitewashing legitimate occurrences within the past 30 years.
     
    Sometimes in the old South, there were real incidents where blacks raped white women (and if the mob hadn't lynched them immediately, they would have been eventually found guilty) but that does not keep us from canonizing the innocent martyrs. Emmet Till's own papa was rightfully tried and executed by the US Army for rape and murder but this did not prevent the canonization of Till Jr. That there are real hate crimes in America (and it's funny that if there are, the media keeps on seizing on phony ones instead) does not mitigate the fact that hate hoaxes are a real phenomenon. We know that statistically the rate of white on black rape (let alone white gang rape) is effectively zero (while black on white rapes are so common that they are not newsworthy beyond a couple of lines in the crime blotter) and yet there have been, in the Brawley era, THREE nationally publicized cases of white gang rape (two involving black "victims") that all became celebrated causes flogged in the pages of the NY Times until they turned out not to have happened at all.

    “You move the goalposts awfully quickly. First you say that calling Tawana Brawley incident the pioneer of modern hate hoaxes “may or may not” be accurate and then 5 words later you label it a “false premise”.”

    Mr. Sailor is of the mindset that the Brawley incident is unequivocally the beginning of a period referred to as “hate hoaxes”. Can we honestly make that assessment with absolute certainty? No. Can we honestly discount that assessment with absolute certainty? No. Hence, his argument rests on a false premise–he automatically assumes that this event beyond a shadow of a doubt marks the dawn of an era. An era recognized by who/whom?

    “And yet you do not rebut Steve in any way.”

    I acknowledge that it COULD be true, thus there was no need for a rebuttal.

    “If the Brawley incident is not the 1st prominent modern anti-white hate hoax (there is a long history of false accusations against blacks and Jews), then what is?”

    Really depends upon one’s perspective. Does there have to be a definitive “prominent modern anti-white hate hoax” event, or is this phenomenon simply conjured up by conservatives to downplay racism, sexism, and anti-Semitism? Understand that these terms have been used and abused by the Coalition of the Fringes and generally have lost their meaning. In addition, I’m not a fan of federal or state legislation of “hate crime” enhancers. If anything, a “hate hoaxer” should then be subject to that consequence for their false reporting. Consider that the FBI estimates that between 2% and 8% of hate crime reports are hoaxes. Furthermore, hate crime reports which turn out to be hoaxes often generate sensational headlines by conservative leaning media, with liberal leaning media then downplaying its significance.

    “Hate hoaxes are a sign of mob power and mob power can only exist with the consent or willingness to look the other way of the authorities.”

    Says who?

    “In the pre-Civil Rights South, blacks never lynched white people for raping their women.”

    I do not know about “never”, but I do know that there would have been severe consequences for such actions against blacks who would take justice into their hands. Interesting how some white southern men were dead set against the mixing of the races, only to find themselves in the bed of a black women, which in some cases led to her having a baby nine months later.

    So the era of anti-white hate hoaxes was a sign of ascendant black power in America.

    “In the old America, Brawley would have been arrested for making a false report…”

    No “old America”, just America. And, absolutely, she should have been taken into custody.

    “and Sharpton for disturbing the peace”

    That’s absurd. Regardless, one of her attorneys, Alton H. Maddox, was indefinitely suspended by the Appellate Division of the State Supreme Court in Brooklyn after failing to appear before a disciplinary hearing to answer allegations regarding his conduct in the Brawley case.

    “and no respectable white newspaper would have given credence to their phony stories, but something changed.”

    It was only revealed that the story was phony after the grand jury convened and stated that her case had no basis in fact, so the media was reporting the story as it unfolded.

    “We know that statistically the rate of white on black rape (let alone white gang rape) is effectively zero…”

    Just curious as to your source.

    “in the Brawley era, THREE nationally publicized cases of white gang rape (two involving black “victims”) that all became celebrated causes flogged in the pages of the NY Times until they turned out not to have happened at all.”

    Right, until AFTER it was determined these incidents were fabricated. As I suspect, the media will still report on such incidents until there is evidence indicating it was a hoax. Like this case…

    https://www.vibe.com/2017/03/white-texas-woman-lied-rape-three-black-men

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Most of what you have written is evasive verbal sleight of hand (I asked you to name an anti-white hate hoax preceding Brawley and you couldn't), so I won't even bother to rebut point by point, but

    Right, until AFTER it was determined these incidents were fabricated.
     
    As Steve notes, the NY Times has, to this day, never once printed the name Haven Monahan.
    , @Jack D

    the media will still report on such incidents until there is evidence indicating it was a hoax
     
    There is reporting and then there is reporting. Some stories, such as brutal rapes and murders of white women, get 2 column inches on the police blotter of the local paper once and some stories, such as the shocking racism of the Augusta National Golf Club, merit 30 stories on the front page of the NY Times. Sometimes, before the hoax is uncovered, the story is covered intensively and then other times, after the hoax is uncovered, it just disappears from view.

    Believing that the media are just humble scribes merely presenting the facts without fear or favor requires a shocking degree of naivete by now. Maybe in 1968 when Walter Cronkite said stuff we could be forgiven for not recognizing that he was a partisan liberal Democrat and not the voice of God, but in 2018? By the way, a client of mine is a Nigerian prince who has $10 million on deposit in an American bank and is in need of a local to assist him in withdrawing these funds. He has told me that he would be willing to pay a 10% commission to anyone who would help him. Would you by any chance be interested? There might be some incidental expenses that you would have to front, but you will get these all back and much more, I assure you.
  148. @Jack D
    This is sort of topsy-turvy in that it assumes that you have a natural right to steal other people's property and by refraining from exercising that right you are giving something up.

    This is sort of topsy-turvy in that it assumes that you have a natural right to steal other people’s property and by refraining from exercising that right you are giving something up.

    No, there is a natural opportunity, which you give up by creating a system of cultural norms that forbid stealing.

    Many cultures create norms of not stealing from the in-group, but anyone in an out-group is fair game. Our culture once allowed the enslavement of members of some out-groups, but we gave up this opportunity by creating a no-slavery norm. We called the norm a natural right.

    As I recall, the assertion of this norm resulted in intense discussion with a fair degree of heat back in 1861-1865.

  149. Poor Fred Hampton can’t get any coverage.

    Cause of death Suspected assassination by firearm, ruled justifiable homicide[1]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton

  150. @gregor
    Re: tech censorship. A few months ago I searched for some stuff on the David Irving and Ernst Zundel trials and thereafter, much to my amusement, YouTube’s suggestion algorithms started blitzing me with holocaust revisionism videos. And there’s a ton of that stuff on YouTube, even now, though some of it is on restricted status. Their method seems to be to let videos without a lot of views stay up, but once they gain any viral momentum they try to keep it contained. They don’t even seem to care if the videos are mirrored as long as the views stay low. It’s odd that they recommend and censor these kinds of videos simultaneously, but I guess that’s just baked into the recommendation system.

    YouTube’s suggestion algorithms started blitzing me with holocaust revisionism videos

    Yes, you can (still) find revisionist videos on Youtube; however I know of some that have been removed — such videos are usually blocked if you try to access them from a domain where ‘Holocaust denial’ is illegal (eg DE, FR).

    AMZN banned CODOH books last year.

  151. @27 year old
    Speaking of Narratives waxing and waning

    I recently met a German guy about my age who was vacationing in America

    We talked World Cup and Team Germany for a while which led to him telling me he was aware there has been a deliberate campaign to suppress feelings of nationalism among Germans and he went on to say that the country really needed to move on because “it’s been 80 years”.

    We talked World Cup and Team Germany for a while which led to him telling me he was aware there has been a deliberate campaign to suppress feelings of nationalism among Germans and he went on to say that the country really needed to move on because “it’s been 80 years”.

    People just need to wake up and realize that suppressing any positive campaigns for any group is simply an effort to control that group… likewise promoting any group is an effort to empower that group… it’s coordinated because certain people want certain outcomes that wouldn’t normally occur.

  152. @Achmed E. Newman
    This is not anything I can contribute on, but please, let me make it clear now - this is not VDare James Kirkpatrick

    (I know, you said NYT reporter, but it threw me for a loop, because I don't know all of Good James Kirkpatrick's background.)

    Carry on, gentlemen.

    CORRECTION
    You’re absolutely right, it was New York Times Cairo Bureau Chief DAVID Kirkpatrick, not James.

  153. @Jack D
    This is sort of topsy-turvy in that it assumes that you have a natural right to steal other people's property and by refraining from exercising that right you are giving something up.

    What does “natural right” mean? You fail to distinguish nature from morality, law and foresight. As an able-bodied individual, nature endows me with the ability to go steal any number of items from my local Kroger. There is no logical reason to not call this ability a “natural right.” I don’t steal ftom there, however, because

    a) it would offend my conscience

    b) I don’t want to run the risk (however small) of being caught

    c) I have a vested interest in ensuring this store stays open

    But every time I shop there and don’t steal, I am paying a cost.

    Many people are very happy to pay this cost in order to prevent feelings of guilt and/or legal repercussions. Thieves, by definition, are unhappy paying this cost, so they steal, thus costing their victims the value of the stolen items. The thieves also cost society more broadly in social capital.

  154. @europeasant
    According to the LOOK article he did more than just proposition the married woman.

    "He squeezed her hand and said: "How about a date, baby?"

    She jerked away and started for Juanita Milam. At the break between counters, Bobo jumped in front of her, perhaps caught her at the waist, and said: "You needn't be afraid o' me, Baby. I been with white girls before."

    I agree they should not have killed him for those offenses but in my city Till's people shoot each other every day. Last weekend's toll; 60 shot and 9 dead. Guess who's responsible for 99% of the mayhem?


    Till's father was quite the ladies man himself.
    " A soldier during World War II, Louis Till was executed by the U.S. Army in 1945 after being found guilty of murder and rape. The circumstances of his death were little known even to his family until they were revealed after the trial of his son's murderers ten years later, which affected subsequent discourse on the death of Emmett Till"

    Read the rest here, a most fascinating story;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Till

    Did Till know the woman was married?

    • Replies: @europeasant
    I don't know but he probably didn't know. But still an 14 year old hitting on a grown woman? He must have been quite confidant in his abilities to charm the ladies.

    Itz an old story and who can tell what really went on in that store. Till likely had the mentality of a child in a man's body and did not understand that he was not back home in Chicago. There is a very large segment of Chicago blacks who are very aggressive and on the prowl. Coming soon to a neighborhood in your area. Their population is at about 40 million.
  155. @Corvinus
    "You move the goalposts awfully quickly. First you say that calling Tawana Brawley incident the pioneer of modern hate hoaxes “may or may not” be accurate and then 5 words later you label it a “false premise”."

    Mr. Sailor is of the mindset that the Brawley incident is unequivocally the beginning of a period referred to as "hate hoaxes". Can we honestly make that assessment with absolute certainty? No. Can we honestly discount that assessment with absolute certainty? No. Hence, his argument rests on a false premise--he automatically assumes that this event beyond a shadow of a doubt marks the dawn of an era. An era recognized by who/whom?

    "And yet you do not rebut Steve in any way."

    I acknowledge that it COULD be true, thus there was no need for a rebuttal.

    "If the Brawley incident is not the 1st prominent modern anti-white hate hoax (there is a long history of false accusations against blacks and Jews), then what is?"

    Really depends upon one's perspective. Does there have to be a definitive "prominent modern anti-white hate hoax" event, or is this phenomenon simply conjured up by conservatives to downplay racism, sexism, and anti-Semitism? Understand that these terms have been used and abused by the Coalition of the Fringes and generally have lost their meaning. In addition, I'm not a fan of federal or state legislation of "hate crime" enhancers. If anything, a "hate hoaxer" should then be subject to that consequence for their false reporting. Consider that the FBI estimates that between 2% and 8% of hate crime reports are hoaxes. Furthermore, hate crime reports which turn out to be hoaxes often generate sensational headlines by conservative leaning media, with liberal leaning media then downplaying its significance.

    "Hate hoaxes are a sign of mob power and mob power can only exist with the consent or willingness to look the other way of the authorities."

    Says who?

    "In the pre-Civil Rights South, blacks never lynched white people for raping their women."

    I do not know about "never", but I do know that there would have been severe consequences for such actions against blacks who would take justice into their hands. Interesting how some white southern men were dead set against the mixing of the races, only to find themselves in the bed of a black women, which in some cases led to her having a baby nine months later.

    So the era of anti-white hate hoaxes was a sign of ascendant black power in America.

    "In the old America, Brawley would have been arrested for making a false report..."

    No "old America", just America. And, absolutely, she should have been taken into custody.

    "and Sharpton for disturbing the peace"

    That's absurd. Regardless, one of her attorneys, Alton H. Maddox, was indefinitely suspended by the Appellate Division of the State Supreme Court in Brooklyn after failing to appear before a disciplinary hearing to answer allegations regarding his conduct in the Brawley case.

    "and no respectable white newspaper would have given credence to their phony stories, but something changed."

    It was only revealed that the story was phony after the grand jury convened and stated that her case had no basis in fact, so the media was reporting the story as it unfolded.

    "We know that statistically the rate of white on black rape (let alone white gang rape) is effectively zero..."

    Just curious as to your source.

    "in the Brawley era, THREE nationally publicized cases of white gang rape (two involving black “victims”) that all became celebrated causes flogged in the pages of the NY Times until they turned out not to have happened at all."

    Right, until AFTER it was determined these incidents were fabricated. As I suspect, the media will still report on such incidents until there is evidence indicating it was a hoax. Like this case...

    https://www.vibe.com/2017/03/white-texas-woman-lied-rape-three-black-men

    Most of what you have written is evasive verbal sleight of hand (I asked you to name an anti-white hate hoax preceding Brawley and you couldn’t), so I won’t even bother to rebut point by point, but

    Right, until AFTER it was determined these incidents were fabricated.

    As Steve notes, the NY Times has, to this day, never once printed the name Haven Monahan.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    name an anti-white hate hoax preceding Brawley
     
    Hattie Carroll? An obese negress dies of high blood pressure stroke and William Zantzinger was charged with murder (convicted in a show trial of man’s laughter). 1963

    (Note in an earlier comment I mixed up two Dylan songs and said “Hollis Brown” was the accused. I also said old mammy Hattie croaked from heart attack. Maybe I have oldtimers disease.)
    , @Corvinus
    "Most of what you have written is evasive verbal sleight of hand..."

    I wouldn't expect any different for you to characterize what I clearly wrote in that manner.

    "I asked you to name an anti-white hate hoax preceding Brawley and you couldn’t."

    Because that would be assuming that I agree there was an event prior to Brawley that marked this alleged period of time. Why would I do something if I am not of that mindset?

    "As Steve notes, the NY Times has, to this day, never once printed the name Haven Monahan."

    That's not true. https://www.unz.com/isteve/haven-monahan-in-the-news

    From Mr. Sailer himself --> "By the way, a search through the New York Times archives reveals that the newspaper finally published the name “Haven Monahan” in late March 2015, more than 4 months after CNN used it."

    "There is reporting and then there is reporting. Some stories, such as brutal rapes and murders of white women, get 2 column inches on the police blotter of the local paper once..."

    Which stories are you referring to? Of course, while these events are tragic, they may not be particular "worthy" of extended coverage. You do realize that editors make those decisions regardless if the publication leans left or right, correct?

    "and some stories, such as the shocking racism of the Augusta National Golf Club, merit 30 stories on the front page of the NY Times."

    No different than Fox News every night presenting the innocence of Trump, right?

    So how do you think the media, left or right, decides which stories merit more reporting than other stories? Basic 101 J0urnalism --> https://www.mediacollege.com/journalism/news/newsworthy.html

    Of course, there is the particular bias of any news outlet. Again, that is an issue with the people who are in charge of what is and is not made into a story, which is not reserved to one side or the other side of the ideological spectrum. Remember, Mr. Sailer is part of the media that "furnishes us with convenient concepts...that make it easier to remember the facts they prefer you to know and harder to remember the facts that undermine the concepts." There are several scenes in the film "All The Presidents Men" that take a look into how the editors of a paper for their own particular section (e.g. Front Page, Local, Entertainment, Sports) decide what will be "front page" or "back page", as well as the potential angle to take.

    "Believing that the media are just humble scribes merely presenting the facts without fear or favor requires a shocking degree of naivete by now."

    That would be a strawman, as I never directly or indirectly made that assertion.

    "By the way, a client of mine is a Nigerian prince who has $10 million on deposit in an American bank and is in need of a local to assist him in withdrawing these funds. He has told me that he would be willing to pay a 10% commission to anyone who would help him. Would you by any chance be interested? There might be some incidental expenses that you would have to front, but you will get these all back and much more, I assure you."

    LOL.
  156. @Buffalo Joe
    Jack, the sheer force and intensity of violence inflicted on Channon, makes it one of the most vile crimes ever committed against a woman in the US, not to mention that her boyfriend suffered an equally horrific murder prior to her rape-torture-mutilation death.

    I completely agree. I also think that because the crime COULD have been construed as having a racial dimension (i.e it was black on white), the national MSM has stayed a million miles away from it and the story is unknown to most. The LAST thing in the world that the MSM wants is to promote a symbol of white martyrdom.

    However, I still don’t see how this explains why Till was killed as AD claims.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    I won’t attempt to speak for AD, but what I took from his comment is this: In the days when the least infraction by blacks was punished quickly and severely, often extrajudicially, no gang of young blacks would have dared to do what those animals did to Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome.
    Put another way, the larger white community of the time had an idea of what blacks might get up to if they were not harshly dealt with.
    Again, that’s only what I took to be the point of his comment, I could certainly be wrong.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Jack, thank you, completely clear now.
  157. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buddwing
    Actually, being falsely accused, or simply followed around in a store is incredibly annoying and sometimes dangerous. A know black engineering professors in top universities. I was talking with one about all the little instances in life where he is made to feel unwelcome. "What drives you crazy," he told me, "is that you never know if this is something that would happen to anyone, or if it because you are black." He was stopped by police for having a screen on in his car when driving at night, for example. He had someone run their grocery cart into him in the store, possibly intentionally. Could happen to anyone, he admits, but he thinks it happens to him more because he is black. It probably does.
    Life is weird, even at the top, and it is not relished by normal, smart, and competent people. It is understandable, of course, if one takes the time to understand, but not a source of any pleasure.

    Actually, being falsely accused, or simply followed around in a store is incredibly annoying

    Look, shopkeepers need to protect their merchandise.

    • Replies: @Buddwing

    Look, shopkeepers need to protect their merchandise.
     
    The very fact that most white and Asian people do not have to worry about this (once they are out of high-school at least) shows the reality of "white privilege" when viewed as membership in a broad trust circle. Being outside the circle is troubling in your day-to-day life, even if you are a Harvard professor like Skip Gates.

    As I said at the start, I once resisted the idea that white privilege exits, because the term is so often misused, but it is really mostly just a reference to the idea of a high-trust society.

    When I read "white privilege," I often substitue "our high-trust society." See how that works for you.
  158. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @kimchilover
    Since discovering your blog I've often wondered if you had a Lexis/Nexis account. In law school I had unfettered access to the entire search engine for three years and it was like a crack addiction. Once you got the hang of its protocols its searchability -and the content it could access - was genuinely staggering...infinitely superior to Google. The whole point of giving law students free access to it was, in fact, to get you addicted so that when you went into practice you'd use it over their competitor, WestLaw. No idea what it costs these days but I really, really miss it.

    What sort of things did you get into researching using it? What was so addictive?

  159. @Tyrion 2
    I was in Egypt during the revolution/Al Sisi coup. The people I met were ecstatic. I can't get over how many Westerners don't realise that he is a moderate patriot doing an exceedingly difficult job.

    Morsi lied horrifically to gain power and then proceeded to try to start a cultural revolution. Practically everyone in the region knew that he had become bad news. When you have backbenchers proposing that the "pagan" pyramids should be hidden under wax, you know you're not dealing with people who care about their culture, history and society.

    Egypt was on the verge of a true disaster under Morsi. Egypt imports over 50% of their caloric requirements and they had only six weeks of foreign exchange left when he was deposed. Wheat prices were way up, fuel suppliers were refusing credit to Egypt, the government could not afford the subsidies to keep prices down, no one was investing in Egypt, tourism was drying up and the Saudis and the Gulf were refusing to help very much, as they saw Morsi’s Islamism as a threat. Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood were like deers in the headlights. They could not govern the country. The only competent or semi-competent institution in Egypt stepped in – the army.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    Yes and a military coup by a mostly conscript army is quite different from one by a wholly professional one. All men serve, therefore it is definitionally a popular force.
  160. @the one they call Desanex
    Like “Hattie Carroll”, Dylan’s “The Death of Emmett Till” was bleeding-heart bullsh*t.

    Some men they dragged him to a barn and there they beat him up.
    They said they had a reason, but I disremember what.
     

    I saw the morning papers but I could not bear
    To see the smiling brothers walkin’ down the courthouse stairs.
     
    Maybe he should’ve read the papers.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-0vClQa1Hw

    I wonder if it would still be ok today for a commie Jew from Minnesota to write songs about Emmett and Hattie? I suspect not.

    I was also hoping someone would pick up on the rabid lefty absurdity of Hattie as a martyr since she suffered zero injury from Hollis’ “attack” and simply died of a heart attack because she was an obese negress with CAD. That case was the writing on the wall for us deplorables..

  161. @Corvinus
    "You move the goalposts awfully quickly. First you say that calling Tawana Brawley incident the pioneer of modern hate hoaxes “may or may not” be accurate and then 5 words later you label it a “false premise”."

    Mr. Sailor is of the mindset that the Brawley incident is unequivocally the beginning of a period referred to as "hate hoaxes". Can we honestly make that assessment with absolute certainty? No. Can we honestly discount that assessment with absolute certainty? No. Hence, his argument rests on a false premise--he automatically assumes that this event beyond a shadow of a doubt marks the dawn of an era. An era recognized by who/whom?

    "And yet you do not rebut Steve in any way."

    I acknowledge that it COULD be true, thus there was no need for a rebuttal.

    "If the Brawley incident is not the 1st prominent modern anti-white hate hoax (there is a long history of false accusations against blacks and Jews), then what is?"

    Really depends upon one's perspective. Does there have to be a definitive "prominent modern anti-white hate hoax" event, or is this phenomenon simply conjured up by conservatives to downplay racism, sexism, and anti-Semitism? Understand that these terms have been used and abused by the Coalition of the Fringes and generally have lost their meaning. In addition, I'm not a fan of federal or state legislation of "hate crime" enhancers. If anything, a "hate hoaxer" should then be subject to that consequence for their false reporting. Consider that the FBI estimates that between 2% and 8% of hate crime reports are hoaxes. Furthermore, hate crime reports which turn out to be hoaxes often generate sensational headlines by conservative leaning media, with liberal leaning media then downplaying its significance.

    "Hate hoaxes are a sign of mob power and mob power can only exist with the consent or willingness to look the other way of the authorities."

    Says who?

    "In the pre-Civil Rights South, blacks never lynched white people for raping their women."

    I do not know about "never", but I do know that there would have been severe consequences for such actions against blacks who would take justice into their hands. Interesting how some white southern men were dead set against the mixing of the races, only to find themselves in the bed of a black women, which in some cases led to her having a baby nine months later.

    So the era of anti-white hate hoaxes was a sign of ascendant black power in America.

    "In the old America, Brawley would have been arrested for making a false report..."

    No "old America", just America. And, absolutely, she should have been taken into custody.

    "and Sharpton for disturbing the peace"

    That's absurd. Regardless, one of her attorneys, Alton H. Maddox, was indefinitely suspended by the Appellate Division of the State Supreme Court in Brooklyn after failing to appear before a disciplinary hearing to answer allegations regarding his conduct in the Brawley case.

    "and no respectable white newspaper would have given credence to their phony stories, but something changed."

    It was only revealed that the story was phony after the grand jury convened and stated that her case had no basis in fact, so the media was reporting the story as it unfolded.

    "We know that statistically the rate of white on black rape (let alone white gang rape) is effectively zero..."

    Just curious as to your source.

    "in the Brawley era, THREE nationally publicized cases of white gang rape (two involving black “victims”) that all became celebrated causes flogged in the pages of the NY Times until they turned out not to have happened at all."

    Right, until AFTER it was determined these incidents were fabricated. As I suspect, the media will still report on such incidents until there is evidence indicating it was a hoax. Like this case...

    https://www.vibe.com/2017/03/white-texas-woman-lied-rape-three-black-men

    the media will still report on such incidents until there is evidence indicating it was a hoax

    There is reporting and then there is reporting. Some stories, such as brutal rapes and murders of white women, get 2 column inches on the police blotter of the local paper once and some stories, such as the shocking racism of the Augusta National Golf Club, merit 30 stories on the front page of the NY Times. Sometimes, before the hoax is uncovered, the story is covered intensively and then other times, after the hoax is uncovered, it just disappears from view.

    Believing that the media are just humble scribes merely presenting the facts without fear or favor requires a shocking degree of naivete by now. Maybe in 1968 when Walter Cronkite said stuff we could be forgiven for not recognizing that he was a partisan liberal Democrat and not the voice of God, but in 2018? By the way, a client of mine is a Nigerian prince who has $10 million on deposit in an American bank and is in need of a local to assist him in withdrawing these funds. He has told me that he would be willing to pay a 10% commission to anyone who would help him. Would you by any chance be interested? There might be some incidental expenses that you would have to front, but you will get these all back and much more, I assure you.

  162. @Ibound1
    Egypt was on the verge of a true disaster under Morsi. Egypt imports over 50% of their caloric requirements and they had only six weeks of foreign exchange left when he was deposed. Wheat prices were way up, fuel suppliers were refusing credit to Egypt, the government could not afford the subsidies to keep prices down, no one was investing in Egypt, tourism was drying up and the Saudis and the Gulf were refusing to help very much, as they saw Morsi's Islamism as a threat. Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood were like deers in the headlights. They could not govern the country. The only competent or semi-competent institution in Egypt stepped in - the army.

    Yes and a military coup by a mostly conscript army is quite different from one by a wholly professional one. All men serve, therefore it is definitionally a popular force.

  163. @Buffalo Joe
    Jack, the sheer force and intensity of violence inflicted on Channon, makes it one of the most vile crimes ever committed against a woman in the US, not to mention that her boyfriend suffered an equally horrific murder prior to her rape-torture-mutilation death.

    As Jack said, every day. Ever hear of Paula Sladewski? Of course not. Nor a thousand others who died horribly like Channon did.

    https://crimewatchdaily.com/2016/03/07/miami-murder-mystery-who-killed-model-outside-after-hours-club/

    Jonathon Foster? Was Channon’s fate worse than his?

    https://jimfishertruecrime.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-mona-nelson-blow-torch-murder-case.html

    Every damn day. The savagery is gut wrenching.

    So when I read endlessly about some son of a rapist murderer (of white wimmins) getting beaten to death for sexually harassing a white woman, sixty three years ago (!!!), forgive me for an absolute lack of empathy, sympathy, or even remotely caring.

  164. @Jack D
    I completely agree. I also think that because the crime COULD have been construed as having a racial dimension (i.e it was black on white), the national MSM has stayed a million miles away from it and the story is unknown to most. The LAST thing in the world that the MSM wants is to promote a symbol of white martyrdom.

    However, I still don't see how this explains why Till was killed as AD claims.

    I won’t attempt to speak for AD, but what I took from his comment is this: In the days when the least infraction by blacks was punished quickly and severely, often extrajudicially, no gang of young blacks would have dared to do what those animals did to Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome.
    Put another way, the larger white community of the time had an idea of what blacks might get up to if they were not harshly dealt with.
    Again, that’s only what I took to be the point of his comment, I could certainly be wrong.

  165. anon[238] • Disclaimer says:

    There is a rather startling lack of unambiguous black male victims of police, whites, etc. Out off the hundred or so black victims of police, most are very unsympathetic. Thats what makes Travon and Michael Brown frustrating for every one. If that is the best you can come up with … Emmett Till looks pretty good. There are plenty of totally innocent Black victims of Black crime. Cant chimp out over that. It isn’t hard to identify and all victims of police now … and most of them are unsurprisingly criminals.

    They had a sympathetic vic in Pittsburg, if you don’t look too carefully into his involvement in a drive by.

    So Emmett is the victim they crave.

  166. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Emmit is now the #1 most popular baby name for aborted fetuses in NY state.

    Heh! Edgy, very very edgy …. but funny nonetheless.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Thanks - I entertain myself trying to see how tightly I can walk the line Steve has drawn for acceptable comments.
  167. @Jack D
    Most of what you have written is evasive verbal sleight of hand (I asked you to name an anti-white hate hoax preceding Brawley and you couldn't), so I won't even bother to rebut point by point, but

    Right, until AFTER it was determined these incidents were fabricated.
     
    As Steve notes, the NY Times has, to this day, never once printed the name Haven Monahan.

    name an anti-white hate hoax preceding Brawley

    Hattie Carroll? An obese negress dies of high blood pressure stroke and William Zantzinger was charged with murder (convicted in a show trial of man’s laughter). 1963

    (Note in an earlier comment I mixed up two Dylan songs and said “Hollis Brown” was the accused. I also said old mammy Hattie croaked from heart attack. Maybe I have oldtimers disease.)

    • Replies: @Jack D
    It's hard to call the Hattie Carroll case a complete hoax. Zantzinger did strike her (albeit with a toy cane) and the woman did die.
  168. @Anonymous

    Actually, being falsely accused, or simply followed around in a store is incredibly annoying
     
    Look, shopkeepers need to protect their merchandise.

    Look, shopkeepers need to protect their merchandise.

    The very fact that most white and Asian people do not have to worry about this (once they are out of high-school at least) shows the reality of “white privilege” when viewed as membership in a broad trust circle. Being outside the circle is troubling in your day-to-day life, even if you are a Harvard professor like Skip Gates.

    As I said at the start, I once resisted the idea that white privilege exits, because the term is so often misused, but it is really mostly just a reference to the idea of a high-trust society.

    When I read “white privilege,” I often substitue “our high-trust society.” See how that works for you.

  169. @Jack D
    NO reason - no. But tiny offenses - yes. Till, in the worst possible telling of what he did, made a verbal sexual proposition to a white woman (without ever touching her). BECAUSE this was a 50% black area, whites believed that they only way they could maintain order and keep their women from being raped was to maintain broad and strict lines of racial separation that blacks could not cross, on penalty of (extralegal) death. Till, being an outsider from Chicago, was unaware of and crossed this invisible line. Most local blacks, well aware of the lines and the penalty for crossing them, did not dare cross them and thus avoided being lynched. Under the unwritten code of the South, Till was not "innocent" but the code itself was both extralegal and immoral. In no just society is the penalty for an unwanted proposition death - that's taking #Me Too too far.

    NO reason – no. But tiny offenses – yes. Till, in the worst possible telling of what he did, made a verbal sexual proposition to a white woman (without ever touching her).

    Jack, this is false, as other commenters have pointed out.

    But the interesting thing here is that you–an intelligent and knowledgeable, non-liberal–think it is true. As did i before reading alternative media.

    The “official story” that the NYT and establishment media tried to convery was that an innocent black boy was harmlessly flirting with a white woman and was killed for it. The NYT wants us to think it was a “hey baby” and a “wolfwhistle”.

    In fact, Till’s was very aggressive behavior. The second part of rushing to block her path,perhaps grabbing her waist is the kind of thing that could be a prelude to rape and would make any woman concerned, upset–if it’s not that gal’s Christian Grey that she actually wants to be taken by. This woman Carolyn Byrant is off in the middle of nowhere with a bunch of blacks out front and one–who has made his intentions clear–messing with her.

    Once these events were “the talk” amongst the blacks, her husband Roy pretty much had to do something. You can’t run a store off in the middle of nowhere–much less where you’re going to be away and leave your wife there surrounded by black clientel–if you let blacks think this behavior is tolerable.

    Unfortunately–for the rest of us–Till was a first class a*hole hardcase and wouldn’t just suck it up and tuck under, in which case an ass whooping would have ended it. So we’ve had to listen to the NYT lecture us incessantly on our sins for the next 50.

    What this case actually demonstrates is the time honored truth–separate peoples do not belong together. One people, one culture, one standard, one nation … much happier situation.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @Jack D
    It's true that I was not aware (or had forgotten) the little details that Till had apparently put his arm around her waist (and in the current #Me Too environment, perhaps that IS a capital offense) but it does not seem from the context that this was intended to be threatening or a prelude to rape but done in a playful way. He was apparently bragging to his cousins that he had, in the big city of Chicago, CONSENSUAL relationships with white girls and was trying to show Bryant that he was familiar with the ways of white women and knew how to court them, unlike the local black country bumpkins. Now, as I said before, this was spectacularly tone deaf in Mississippi 1955 but it was not indicative that he intended to rape Bryant.

    As for one people being happiest, perhaps white people should have thought about this before importing millions of slaves to the Americas. If the white people of Mississippi found themselves in a barely controllable situation where they were surrounded by hostile people of another race who were prone to violence and had good reason not to like them, whose fault was that?
    , @Corvinus
    "In fact, Till’s was very aggressive behavior. The second part of rushing to block her path, perhaps grabbing her waist is the kind of thing that could be a prelude to rape and would make any woman concerned, upset–if it’s not that gal’s Christian Grey that she actually wants to be taken by. This woman Carolyn Byrant is off in the middle of nowhere with a bunch of blacks out front and one–who has made his intentions clear–messing with her."

    You do realize that Carole Bryant just came out and basically recanted her story, right?

    "Timothy Tyson, a Duke University senior research scholar, reveals that Carolyn—in 2007, at age 72—confessed that she had fabricated the most sensational part of her testimony. “That part’s not true,” she told Tyson, about her claim that Till had made verbal and physical advances on her. As for the rest of what happened that evening in the country store, she said she couldn’t remember. (Carolyn is now 82, and her current whereabouts have been kept secret by her family.)"...Nothing that boy did could ever justify what happened to him.”


    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/01/how-author-timothy-tyson-found-the-woman-at-the-center-of-the-emmett-till-case?mbid=social_twitter
  170. @Jack D
    What law abiding blacks want (and I can't say that I blame them) is to be included inside the trust circle. It must be annoying/infuriating to be a middle class black person and followed around the store because they think that you are a shoplifter and so on. But, what blacks don't seem to realize is that trust must be earned and that stereotypes don't come from thin air but are based on reality. What seems to be missing from the black way of looking at this is any desire or willingness to pressure the less law abiding portions of black society to stop doing shit that gives black people a bad reputation. Yes in some cases there has been white overreaction or mistaken reaction (e.g. where whites see a black "burglar" who is breaking into his own home because he has forgotten his keys) but given the crime statistics, it is an understandable and not "racist" assumption that a black dude breaking a window is a burglar and not the homeowner (even if you might give a white "burglar" the benefit of the doubt).

    Jack D said: What law abiding blacks want (and I can’t say that I blame them) is to be included inside the trust circle.

    Hunsdon said: I’ll bet patriotic, America loving Jews feel the same way. But, what Jews don’t seem to realize is that trust must be earned and that stereotypes don’t come from thin air but are based on reality.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    You know, I have often thought about this paradox - that on the one hand I am (by modern standards) a "racist" when it comes to blacks and yet I do not favor anti-Semitism.

    There is no easy answer to this except that I think that the anti-Semites are often wrong about the Jews (and often invent imaginary crimes like the blood libel) but the racists are not always wrong about the blacks. In my view (and obviously I am biased), Jews have (despite some negatives - no group is perfect) been net contributors to American society and blacks (who were, BTW, brought here by whites) have been net detractors, especially in the post WWII welfare/ urban crime era.
  171. @Anon
    Did Till know the woman was married?

    I don’t know but he probably didn’t know. But still an 14 year old hitting on a grown woman? He must have been quite confidant in his abilities to charm the ladies.

    Itz an old story and who can tell what really went on in that store. Till likely had the mentality of a child in a man’s body and did not understand that he was not back home in Chicago. There is a very large segment of Chicago blacks who are very aggressive and on the prowl. Coming soon to a neighborhood in your area. Their population is at about 40 million.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    There is a very large segment of Chicago blacks who are very aggressive and on the prowl. Coming soon to a neighborhood in your area
     
    People wonder why Minnesotans are so blasé about Somalis. It's simple. They arrived at the same time the welfare reform-refugees poured in from Chicago, Milwaukee, and other cities, and caused a lot less trouble. The "Murderapolis" of the Clinton years wasn't the work of African Africans.

    Native blacks essentially ran interference for them, though that was hardly their intention. The two don't have much love for one another.
    , @AnotherDad

    There is a very large segment of Chicago blacks who are very aggressive and on the prowl. Coming soon to a neighborhood in your area.
     
    Chicago's Jews, as well as sending us the messiah, are trying to export them to improve the lives of us benighted white peasants in places like Dubuque with "more diversity", while importing more compliant Mexicans to take the territory and do the labor. We are so lucky to have such enlighted betters looking out for us.
    , @Joe Stalin
    " But still an 14 year old hitting on a grown woman? "

    Some 14 y/o Blacks are the size of men. When I was in eighth-grade there was a Black in my grade and I was told he had killed a White boy with a shovel (He had apparently come up from the Deep South based on his accent.). I believe it; he did not seem to have a bad temper or bad personality.
    , @ben tillman

    I don’t know but he probably didn’t know. But still an 14 year old hitting on a grown woman? He must have been quite confidant in his abilities to charm the ladies.
     
    Sex is possible without the woman's consent.
  172. @AnotherDad

    NO reason – no. But tiny offenses – yes. Till, in the worst possible telling of what he did, made a verbal sexual proposition to a white woman (without ever touching her).
     
    Jack, this is false, as other commenters have pointed out.

    But the interesting thing here is that you--an intelligent and knowledgeable, non-liberal--think it is true. As did i before reading alternative media.

    The "official story" that the NYT and establishment media tried to convery was that an innocent black boy was harmlessly flirting with a white woman and was killed for it. The NYT wants us to think it was a "hey baby" and a "wolfwhistle".

    In fact, Till's was very aggressive behavior. The second part of rushing to block her path,perhaps grabbing her waist is the kind of thing that could be a prelude to rape and would make any woman concerned, upset--if it's not that gal's Christian Grey that she actually wants to be taken by. This woman Carolyn Byrant is off in the middle of nowhere with a bunch of blacks out front and one--who has made his intentions clear--messing with her.

    Once these events were "the talk" amongst the blacks, her husband Roy pretty much had to do something. You can't run a store off in the middle of nowhere--much less where you're going to be away and leave your wife there surrounded by black clientel--if you let blacks think this behavior is tolerable.

    Unfortunately--for the rest of us--Till was a first class a*hole hardcase and wouldn't just suck it up and tuck under, in which case an ass whooping would have ended it. So we've had to listen to the NYT lecture us incessantly on our sins for the next 50.

    What this case actually demonstrates is the time honored truth--separate peoples do not belong together. One people, one culture, one standard, one nation ... much happier situation.

    It’s true that I was not aware (or had forgotten) the little details that Till had apparently put his arm around her waist (and in the current #Me Too environment, perhaps that IS a capital offense) but it does not seem from the context that this was intended to be threatening or a prelude to rape but done in a playful way. He was apparently bragging to his cousins that he had, in the big city of Chicago, CONSENSUAL relationships with white girls and was trying to show Bryant that he was familiar with the ways of white women and knew how to court them, unlike the local black country bumpkins. Now, as I said before, this was spectacularly tone deaf in Mississippi 1955 but it was not indicative that he intended to rape Bryant.

    As for one people being happiest, perhaps white people should have thought about this before importing millions of slaves to the Americas. If the white people of Mississippi found themselves in a barely controllable situation where they were surrounded by hostile people of another race who were prone to violence and had good reason not to like them, whose fault was that?

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Agreed. Their hindsight should have been as clear as yours.
    , @AnotherDad

    … but it does not seem from the context that this was intended to be threatening or a prelude to rape but done in a playful way. He was apparently bragging to his cousins that he had, in the big city of Chicago, CONSENSUAL relationships with white girls and was trying to show Bryant that he was familiar with the ways of white women and knew how to court them, unlike the local black country bumpkins. Now, as I said before, this was spectacularly tone deaf in Mississippi 1955 but it was not indicative that he intended to rape Bryant.
     
    I didn't say he intended to rape Bryant. What I said was:


    The second part of rushing to block her path,perhaps grabbing her waist is the kind of thing that could be a prelude to rape and would make any woman concerned, upset
     
    And i disagree with you that he was trying to show Bryant--or at least that his behavior indicated--

    "that he was familiar with the ways of white women and knew how to court them."
     
    What's reported sounds like typical lame ass "hey baby yo fine" black courting.

    My point is that this sort of isolating and blocking ability to leave is very threatening behavior to women. They can find it super-sexy ... from a guy they actually want, but it's not from one they don't. Doesn't every guy understand this? We are much--not a little bit, but much--stronger than women. I'm a very average guy--a bit less overweight than the typical guy my age--and i rarely come across any woman--even ones who are "fit"--whom i couldn't subdue. (Well i guess, my daughter's XC friends could easily run away from me.) Carolyn Bryant was a petite little thing. Till was a thickly built black dude. Whom she did not know. Who was talking about how he'd like to sex her up. And then is blocking her exit. Till might have been thinking--i'm showing those country bumpkins how it's done. Carolyn is both offended, disgusted and scared. She doesn't know this guy or whether he means to have his way with her.


    Jack, if you're curious about this: Next time you're on the highway late at night, pull into a Kwik Mart that has no cars. Get you gum and when the clerk reaches to scan it, grab the clerk's hand, tell her how you like to sex up the gentile girls and when she jerks away and heads for the office or back room, jump in front of her to cut her off, grab her waist and tell her how good it will be. See where it gets you. (If you could wear a go-pro that would be cool, we iStevers would love to see the video.)
  173. @Hunsdon
    Jack D said: What law abiding blacks want (and I can’t say that I blame them) is to be included inside the trust circle.

    Hunsdon said: I'll bet patriotic, America loving Jews feel the same way. But, what Jews don’t seem to realize is that trust must be earned and that stereotypes don’t come from thin air but are based on reality.

    You know, I have often thought about this paradox – that on the one hand I am (by modern standards) a “racist” when it comes to blacks and yet I do not favor anti-Semitism.

    There is no easy answer to this except that I think that the anti-Semites are often wrong about the Jews (and often invent imaginary crimes like the blood libel) but the racists are not always wrong about the blacks. In my view (and obviously I am biased), Jews have (despite some negatives – no group is perfect) been net contributors to American society and blacks (who were, BTW, brought here by whites) have been net detractors, especially in the post WWII welfare/ urban crime era.

    • Replies: @res

    In my view (and obviously I am biased), Jews have (despite some negatives – no group is perfect) been net contributors to American society
     
    I agree with this, but think the current crop of influential Jews in the media are doing their best to change it. And if they succeed in turning the US into a replica of the third world then they will have succeeded in making that change as well.
  174. @Jack D
    I supposed "gang" is to "party" as "cult" is to "religion". The Germans would like to contain Nazism at the gang level so it doesn't become a party (again). You put out the brush fire as soon as you see the first sparks and then you don't have to fight the raging forest fire. Now to us, putting an 89 year old lady in jail for Holocaust denial may seem like overkill but by German standards it is justified in their view (and I would not substitute my American perspective for theirs).

    I supposed “gang” is to “party” as “cult” is to “religion”.

    To us Papists, “cult” is historically a positive term. A small subset of the Church focused on a particular veneration. Other faiths often have the same under different terms, as do business and governments with their “committees” and “task forces”.

    As with the once-venerable “myth”, it’s been terribly abused in modern usage.

  175. @Jack D
    Maybe I'm thick headed, but I don't see how what happened to Christian justifies killing a black teenager 50 years earlier. Till (unlike his daddy) did not rape and torture or even threaten to rape and torture a white woman. He merely made an unsuccessful pass at a white woman and indicated that in his view it was OK for white women to voluntarily date black men. Now this was a spectacularly stupid thing to say in Mississippi in 1955 but it has nothing to do with what happened to Christian.

    The Snopes account gives a pretty fair account of the facts in the Christian case (but it makes a lot of excuses for why it should not be considered a racial incident and why it received no national coverage - nothing to see here, move along):

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/newsomchristian-murders/

    Maybe I’m thick headed, but I don’t see how what happened to Christian justifies killing a black teenager 50 years earlier.

    Geez. I tend to go long to explain my points and was trying to write less.

    By “explains” I meant “explains” in the broad sociological sense:

    What you had–still have–in the South is a situation where the majority population faces a large aggrieved minority which is considerably deficient in “conscientiousness”, self-control and considerably more prone to violence and barbaric behavior. (And of course in the Delta the whites are not the majority but a minority.) To live “as whites”–actually just to maintain some semblance of civilization–in close proximity to lots of blacks, the whites tried to enforce some sort of racial code to preventively suppress black criminality–including the rape of white women, the harrassment of white women as well as simply chatting them up and knocking them up.

    Note: i grew up with typical “damn yankee” attitudes toward all this from my liberal Irish-Catholic father. But he–typically–grew up someplace (Iowa)–where there were basically no blacks. When one actually takes a moment to understand the situation white southerners faced, one has a lot more sympathy for their situation and the measures they took. A bunch of it was illegimate in terms of the American constitutional project. But it wasn’t crazy. It’s a legitimate tough problem. Yet another reason, one people nations are simply better.

    Channon Christian–though an extreme case–is a demonstration of this, as are thousands upon thousands of less gruesome incidents every year.

    Accursed be our ancestors who heeded the siren song of “cheap labor”.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Yet another reason, one people nations are simply better.
     
    The secret behind hygge.
  176. @europeasant
    I don't know but he probably didn't know. But still an 14 year old hitting on a grown woman? He must have been quite confidant in his abilities to charm the ladies.

    Itz an old story and who can tell what really went on in that store. Till likely had the mentality of a child in a man's body and did not understand that he was not back home in Chicago. There is a very large segment of Chicago blacks who are very aggressive and on the prowl. Coming soon to a neighborhood in your area. Their population is at about 40 million.

    There is a very large segment of Chicago blacks who are very aggressive and on the prowl. Coming soon to a neighborhood in your area

    People wonder why Minnesotans are so blasé about Somalis. It’s simple. They arrived at the same time the welfare reform-refugees poured in from Chicago, Milwaukee, and other cities, and caused a lot less trouble. The “Murderapolis” of the Clinton years wasn’t the work of African Africans.

    Native blacks essentially ran interference for them, though that was hardly their intention. The two don’t have much love for one another.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've read that Somalis are the only immigrant group with an unemployment rate significantly higher than African Americans.
  177. @AnotherDad

    Maybe I’m thick headed, but I don’t see how what happened to Christian justifies killing a black teenager 50 years earlier.
     
    Geez. I tend to go long to explain my points and was trying to write less.

    By "explains" I meant "explains" in the broad sociological sense:

    What you had--still have--in the South is a situation where the majority population faces a large aggrieved minority which is considerably deficient in "conscientiousness", self-control and considerably more prone to violence and barbaric behavior. (And of course in the Delta the whites are not the majority but a minority.) To live "as whites"--actually just to maintain some semblance of civilization--in close proximity to lots of blacks, the whites tried to enforce some sort of racial code to preventively suppress black criminality--including the rape of white women, the harrassment of white women as well as simply chatting them up and knocking them up.


    Note: i grew up with typical "damn yankee" attitudes toward all this from my liberal Irish-Catholic father. But he--typically--grew up someplace (Iowa)--where there were basically no blacks. When one actually takes a moment to understand the situation white southerners faced, one has a lot more sympathy for their situation and the measures they took. A bunch of it was illegimate in terms of the American constitutional project. But it wasn't crazy. It's a legitimate tough problem. Yet another reason, one people nations are simply better.

    Channon Christian--though an extreme case--is a demonstration of this, as are thousands upon thousands of less gruesome incidents every year.

    Accursed be our ancestors who heeded the siren song of "cheap labor".

    Yet another reason, one people nations are simply better.

    The secret behind hygge.

  178. @Anon

    But it also doesn’t constitute news, as it happens every day in every city.
     
    What happens every day? Such as what?

    What happens every day? Such as what?

    Things that don’t make the papers.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    The name of Frederick Demond Scott, black serial killer of white men operating in Kansas City last year, has never appeared in the New York Times. But if a white person at a neighborhood pool asks to see a black person's ID, that's "news that's fit to print."
  179. @gregor
    Re: tech censorship. A few months ago I searched for some stuff on the David Irving and Ernst Zundel trials and thereafter, much to my amusement, YouTube’s suggestion algorithms started blitzing me with holocaust revisionism videos. And there’s a ton of that stuff on YouTube, even now, though some of it is on restricted status. Their method seems to be to let videos without a lot of views stay up, but once they gain any viral momentum they try to keep it contained. They don’t even seem to care if the videos are mirrored as long as the views stay low. It’s odd that they recommend and censor these kinds of videos simultaneously, but I guess that’s just baked into the recommendation system.

    A few months ago I searched for some stuff on the David Irving and Ernst Zundel trials…

    I gave up on Irving when he insisted Hitler was a normal straight man.

    One should have a right to be wrong, though.

  180. @Jack D

    Not on my pancakes.
     
    In the old racist America, blacks were hated so much that we put their picture on packaged goods. Because of this, not a single box of Aunt Jemima pancake mix was ever sold south of the Mason-Dixon line. As a badge of their hatred, the owners of the mill renamed their company "Aunt Jemima Mills".

    In the old racist America, blacks were hated so much that we put their picture on packaged goods. Because of this, not a single box of Aunt Jemima pancake mix was ever sold south of the Mason-Dixon line. As a badge of their hatred, the owners of the mill renamed their company “Aunt Jemima Mills”.

    And those nasty white Americans bought a lot more Aunt Jemima than Mrs Butterworth’s, driving the latter to suicide.

    http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/TV/9911/17/obit.bergman.poss/

  181. @Jack D
    Maybe I'm thick headed, but I don't see how what happened to Christian justifies killing a black teenager 50 years earlier. Till (unlike his daddy) did not rape and torture or even threaten to rape and torture a white woman. He merely made an unsuccessful pass at a white woman and indicated that in his view it was OK for white women to voluntarily date black men. Now this was a spectacularly stupid thing to say in Mississippi in 1955 but it has nothing to do with what happened to Christian.

    The Snopes account gives a pretty fair account of the facts in the Christian case (but it makes a lot of excuses for why it should not be considered a racial incident and why it received no national coverage - nothing to see here, move along):

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/newsomchristian-murders/

    The Snopes account gives a pretty fair account of the facts in the Christian case (but it makes a lot of excuses for why it should not be considered a racial incident and why it received no national coverage – nothing to see here, move along):

    Snopes specialty is narrative compliant “fact checking”.

    The plain fact is the Christian/Newsome rape/torture/murder is pretty obviously a racial hate crime. Random almost stereotypically white-white victims were picked out and subjected to not just rape and murder but horrific abuse and torture.

    While the Emmett Till murder, while having a strong racial element–a white lowlife would almost certainly have gotten off with only a punching out–was not a “hate crime” but rather targeted at a particular person for their very particular behavior. The sort of behavior–involving sexual advances and sexual mate guarding–that leads to thousands of fights every day and puts thousands of people in the hospital every year and probably results in a few hundred murders (most of them by blacks) every year.

  182. Anon[193] • Disclaimer says:

    “Two-thirds of European Jewry was murdered in a seven year period within living memory. There are figures in the Iranian government who would like to stage a repeat performance.”

    1. Ah, we’re back to XXX is the new Hitler. First it was Saddam Hussein, then Slobodan Milosovic, then Saddam again, then Qaddafi, then Putin, now the Iranians. The important thing to remember is that the Iranians, just like pretty much everyone else on that list, isn’t any kind of real threat to the US. The Iranian economy is maybe 2% the size of the US economy (and by PPP probably even less), and their military is woefully primitive.

    2. The alleged figure is HALF, not 2/3. Notice how this guy shamelessly exaggerates a death toll from deep into the last century to justify violence on behalf of his country in the present. Shameless. “By way of deception.” Fitting.

    ” There are figures in the Iranian government who would like to stage a repeat performance.”

    Scare mongering by an Israeli Hasbara. Let me know when the Iranians get modern aircraft and nuclear weapons like your Israeli friends have…even then what you say is impossible, so you can tell your IDF friends they are welcome to fight their own wars and leave my country out of it.

  183. @europeasant
    I don't know but he probably didn't know. But still an 14 year old hitting on a grown woman? He must have been quite confidant in his abilities to charm the ladies.

    Itz an old story and who can tell what really went on in that store. Till likely had the mentality of a child in a man's body and did not understand that he was not back home in Chicago. There is a very large segment of Chicago blacks who are very aggressive and on the prowl. Coming soon to a neighborhood in your area. Their population is at about 40 million.

    There is a very large segment of Chicago blacks who are very aggressive and on the prowl. Coming soon to a neighborhood in your area.

    Chicago’s Jews, as well as sending us the messiah, are trying to export them to improve the lives of us benighted white peasants in places like Dubuque with “more diversity”, while importing more compliant Mexicans to take the territory and do the labor. We are so lucky to have such enlighted betters looking out for us.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Daley was exporting blacks to the south suburbs almost as soon as he took office in '89. I've told this story many times here and elsewhere. My wife's childhood home of Park Forest went from a picture book definition of middle middle-class suburbia in the 70's - 80's to a Section 8 black wasteland in less than 20 years. Chicago Heights, Harvey, South Holland, Ford Heights, Homewood, Country Club Hills, Matteson, Hazel Crest etc., etc., have all suffered the same fate.
  184. @Jack D
    I completely agree. I also think that because the crime COULD have been construed as having a racial dimension (i.e it was black on white), the national MSM has stayed a million miles away from it and the story is unknown to most. The LAST thing in the world that the MSM wants is to promote a symbol of white martyrdom.

    However, I still don't see how this explains why Till was killed as AD claims.

    Jack, thank you, completely clear now.

  185. @Stan d Mute

    name an anti-white hate hoax preceding Brawley
     
    Hattie Carroll? An obese negress dies of high blood pressure stroke and William Zantzinger was charged with murder (convicted in a show trial of man’s laughter). 1963

    (Note in an earlier comment I mixed up two Dylan songs and said “Hollis Brown” was the accused. I also said old mammy Hattie croaked from heart attack. Maybe I have oldtimers disease.)

    It’s hard to call the Hattie Carroll case a complete hoax. Zantzinger did strike her (albeit with a toy cane) and the woman did die.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    Zantzinger did strike her (albeit with a toy cane) and the woman did die.
     
    He also struck virtually every white guest at the party. He was a drunken boor, but an accusation of murder for a completely uninjured person who died entirely of natural causes? That’s a hoax not much different from Duke Lacrosse.
  186. Anon[418] • Disclaimer says:

    “First, correlation does not equal causation.”

    Ah, the refrain of the ignorant. What you imply is that correlation is never related to causation when it sometimes is; we have an entire branch of mathematics dedicated to determining just how significant correlation can be. Ironically, you quoted exactly that kind of thing in your response – a figure relating how significant the measured correlation is. For there to be any kind of causation at all, there must indeed be some kind of correlation. Your argument is merely semantics, an appeal to ignorance. You dismiss the argument out of hand because you 1. lack the cognitive ability to refute it 2. don’t like it, regardless of fact; thereby, demonstrating that people do not usually base their arguments on reason but rather tribal affinity and emotion. In fact, you’ve made the same BS arguments over and over only to get debunked each time but come back months later to make the same disproved point anyway.

    “Second, not really sure what muddied point you are trying to make here, as your Taki story goes all over the map.”

    It’s called reading comprehension. Does the guy really have to include an abstract above the article detailing his conclusion before you read the piece? Haven’t you gotten tired of being beaten down by commenters yet? You have been repeatedly roasted; you also have this nasty habit of trying to get the last word by waiting several days after a post has been dead to post again. Perhaps Democratic Underground or Face Book is a better fit for your cognitive abilities.

    “Third, how many times did the term “white privilege” appear in those articles about Emmett Till from the NYT? You really didn’t say…”

    Neither did you. Perhaps you should do your own research before casting aspersions.

  187. @Tyrion 2
    I was in Egypt during the revolution/Al Sisi coup. The people I met were ecstatic. I can't get over how many Westerners don't realise that he is a moderate patriot doing an exceedingly difficult job.

    Morsi lied horrifically to gain power and then proceeded to try to start a cultural revolution. Practically everyone in the region knew that he had become bad news. When you have backbenchers proposing that the "pagan" pyramids should be hidden under wax, you know you're not dealing with people who care about their culture, history and society.

    Only wax – a bunch of infidels who clearly do not take their Islam seriously. The Taliban would have used dynamite.

  188. @Jack D
    Maybe I'm thick headed, but I don't see how what happened to Christian justifies killing a black teenager 50 years earlier. Till (unlike his daddy) did not rape and torture or even threaten to rape and torture a white woman. He merely made an unsuccessful pass at a white woman and indicated that in his view it was OK for white women to voluntarily date black men. Now this was a spectacularly stupid thing to say in Mississippi in 1955 but it has nothing to do with what happened to Christian.

    The Snopes account gives a pretty fair account of the facts in the Christian case (but it makes a lot of excuses for why it should not be considered a racial incident and why it received no national coverage - nothing to see here, move along):

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/newsomchristian-murders/

    You’re asking us to rely on Snopes for fact checking?

    Barbara and David Mikkelson couldn’t even get straight who was accessing the marital and corporate bank accounts, and for what uses (i.e., business expenses versus strippers/dominatrixes/prostitutes/”girlfriends”).

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-24/snopescom-implodes-resorts-gofundme

    I’d refer people to Nicholas Stix’s dogged reporting on the topic of the Knoxville Horror both in these pages and at VDARE, AmRen, and his own blog.

    https://www.unz.com/article/with-new-charges-the-knoxville-horror-is-a-live-case-again-possibly-with-more-indictments-to-come/

    You’re also overlooking the fact that in 1955 Mississippi, whites were a minority in many rural areas. Emmett Till was a city boy who brought the behaviors of a sexual predator–like his own father had been executed for exercising–to a town where people didn’t stand for that.

    Including, it seems, some black people.

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/02/cashing-in-on-emmett-till/

    But we must at all costs ignore the aquifer that periodically gushes cataclysmically: black male sexual predation. Which appears to be a constant back to the mid-17th century on these shores. The period when early slaveholder Anthony Johnson refused to free John Casor. Bearing in mind that of the five people whose labor and fates were owned by Angolan Johnson, four were white.

  189. Anon[173] • Disclaimer says:

    “Not to mention simple intelligence. How long would wax stay on a pyramid before it melted in the sun and ran down to a massive puddle on the ground?”

    Arabs have never struck me as particularly intelligent or creative. The fact that most of the terrorist attacks they’ve committed on the US post 9/11 are fairly inconsequential/simple-minded has honestly surprised me, especially given the ample opportunity and many weak spots of the country. Crazed white guys like Stephen Paddock seem to be far more competent and effective; I guess this is why the FBI is afraid of right wingers. If the average Arab had the creativity of the average crazy white guy, the country would have been destroyed many times over by now.

    As an aside, the wax idea would obviously fail. The next step would be to destroy the pyramids like they did to the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan. Interesting question: what would the West do if Egyptian government radicals actually tried to destroy the pyramids one day? War?

  190. @Jack D

    Not on my pancakes.
     
    In the old racist America, blacks were hated so much that we put their picture on packaged goods. Because of this, not a single box of Aunt Jemima pancake mix was ever sold south of the Mason-Dixon line. As a badge of their hatred, the owners of the mill renamed their company "Aunt Jemima Mills".

    In the 1960s, there was a restaurant chain, Aunt Jemima Pancake House, with people going there for dinner! Not just a breakfast place like IHOP–International House of Pancakes.

    Of course, in the ’60s families didn’t “go out” for breakfast…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    My family went out for breakfast after Mass on Sunday morning in the 1960s.
  191. @Stan d Mute

    They beat him to death for trivial reasons
     
    Trivial? Perhaps to you, but not to most men in the South (or anywhere if we’re talking men and not women with a penis). Sexually harass or intimidate my wife and see what happens. I doubt death would result, but you wouldn’t want to look in the mirror for a while. If that harassment becomes physical, however, all bets are off.

    At worst, you can say Till’s punishment didn’t fit the crime. But that boy definitely deserved a thorough beating.

    Here’s your (current year) Emmet Till:

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/sites/default/files/styles/content_full_width/public/field/image/articles/beatdown.jpg

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2700872/My-son-saved-attackers-life-Father-pounded-admitted-child-molester-bloody-puddle-claims-son-stopped-stabbing-admitted-pedophile-death.html

    Dad says (and I believe him) he’d have killed Emmet Wannabe if his son hadn’t begged him to stop beating the POS. That’s what’s dads and husbands should do.

    An ex-girlfriend grew up across the river in Louisiana, where blacks outnumber whites three to one. One of the hands did something to her older sister, and my girlfriend reported that her dad came back with blood up to his elbows.

  192. @Jack D

    First, you are unilaterally making this declaration, which may or may not be accurate. In other words, you have a false premise when it comes to “launching our present era of making up hate hoaxes”.
     
    You move the goalposts awfully quickly. First you say that calling Tawana Brawley incident the pioneer of modern hate hoaxes "may or may not" be accurate and then 5 words later you label it a "false premise".

    And yet you do not rebut Steve in any way. If the Brawley incident is not the 1st prominent modern anti-white hate hoax (there is a long history of false accusations against blacks and Jews), then what is?

    Hate hoaxes are a sign of mob power and mob power can only exist with the consent or willingness to look the other way of the authorities. You'll notice that the Jews of Europe never used to accuse Christians of using Jewish blood to make communion wafers. In the pre-Civil Rights South, blacks never lynched white people for raping their women. So the era of anti-white hate hoaxes was a sign of ascendant black power in America. In the old America, Brawley would have been arrested for making a false report and Sharpton for disturbing the peace and no respectable white newspaper would have given credence to their phony stories, but something changed.


    Second, indeed while there have been those “hate hoaxes” whose perpetrators have been or ought to have been brought to justice, you are conveniently whitewashing legitimate occurrences within the past 30 years.
     
    Sometimes in the old South, there were real incidents where blacks raped white women (and if the mob hadn't lynched them immediately, they would have been eventually found guilty) but that does not keep us from canonizing the innocent martyrs. Emmet Till's own papa was rightfully tried and executed by the US Army for rape and murder but this did not prevent the canonization of Till Jr. That there are real hate crimes in America (and it's funny that if there are, the media keeps on seizing on phony ones instead) does not mitigate the fact that hate hoaxes are a real phenomenon. We know that statistically the rate of white on black rape (let alone white gang rape) is effectively zero (while black on white rapes are so common that they are not newsworthy beyond a couple of lines in the crime blotter) and yet there have been, in the Brawley era, THREE nationally publicized cases of white gang rape (two involving black "victims") that all became celebrated causes flogged in the pages of the NY Times until they turned out not to have happened at all.

    Jack, it is not true that in the pre-civil-rights era blacks never lynched whites for raping black women.

    There is at least one documented case of exactly such a lynching (I believe it was in Tennessee), and the local white power structure did not prosecute.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    There is at least one documented case of exactly such a lynching (I believe it was in Tennessee), and the local white power structure did not prosecute.
     
    Do you have any further details so that we may look this up?
    , @ben tillman
    While looking for that one, I found another that I should have been able to recall. In Pickens County, S.C., in 1887, a black mob lynched a white man named Manse Waldrop for the rape and murder of a black girl. Two members of the mob, both African American, were eventually convicted, but a massive petition campaign led the Governor to pardon them.
  193. @Jack D
    It's hard to call the Hattie Carroll case a complete hoax. Zantzinger did strike her (albeit with a toy cane) and the woman did die.

    Zantzinger did strike her (albeit with a toy cane) and the woman did die.

    He also struck virtually every white guest at the party. He was a drunken boor, but an accusation of murder for a completely uninjured person who died entirely of natural causes? That’s a hoax not much different from Duke Lacrosse.

  194. @Forbes
    In the 1960s, there was a restaurant chain, Aunt Jemima Pancake House, with people going there for dinner! Not just a breakfast place like IHOP--International House of Pancakes.

    Of course, in the '60s families didn't "go out" for breakfast...

    My family went out for breakfast after Mass on Sunday morning in the 1960s.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    My family went out for breakfast after Mass on Sunday morning in the 1960s.
     
    I thought that was called "brunch".
  195. @europeasant
    I don't know but he probably didn't know. But still an 14 year old hitting on a grown woman? He must have been quite confidant in his abilities to charm the ladies.

    Itz an old story and who can tell what really went on in that store. Till likely had the mentality of a child in a man's body and did not understand that he was not back home in Chicago. There is a very large segment of Chicago blacks who are very aggressive and on the prowl. Coming soon to a neighborhood in your area. Their population is at about 40 million.

    ” But still an 14 year old hitting on a grown woman? ”

    Some 14 y/o Blacks are the size of men. When I was in eighth-grade there was a Black in my grade and I was told he had killed a White boy with a shovel (He had apparently come up from the Deep South based on his accent.). I believe it; he did not seem to have a bad temper or bad personality.

  196. @Anonymous
    Really? Why?

    They worked for Carolyn’s husband.

  197. @Buddwing
    Actually, being falsely accused, or simply followed around in a store is incredibly annoying and sometimes dangerous. A know black engineering professors in top universities. I was talking with one about all the little instances in life where he is made to feel unwelcome. "What drives you crazy," he told me, "is that you never know if this is something that would happen to anyone, or if it because you are black." He was stopped by police for having a screen on in his car when driving at night, for example. He had someone run their grocery cart into him in the store, possibly intentionally. Could happen to anyone, he admits, but he thinks it happens to him more because he is black. It probably does.
    Life is weird, even at the top, and it is not relished by normal, smart, and competent people. It is understandable, of course, if one takes the time to understand, but not a source of any pleasure.

    Did anyone else read that comment and picture Woody Allen on a tennis court?

  198. @Reg Cæsar

    There is a very large segment of Chicago blacks who are very aggressive and on the prowl. Coming soon to a neighborhood in your area
     
    People wonder why Minnesotans are so blasé about Somalis. It's simple. They arrived at the same time the welfare reform-refugees poured in from Chicago, Milwaukee, and other cities, and caused a lot less trouble. The "Murderapolis" of the Clinton years wasn't the work of African Africans.

    Native blacks essentially ran interference for them, though that was hardly their intention. The two don't have much love for one another.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve read that Somalis are the only immigrant group with an unemployment rate significantly higher than African Americans.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve read that Somalis are the only immigrant group with an unemployment rate significantly higher than African Americans.
     
    With black faces and Arabic names, they're hard to separate and quantify statistically. If you have a source for statistics, let me know. I've been looking for 20 years.

    American Indians have traditionally been the least-employed Americans, but they're not at the top of the violence charts. Teens of all races have wretched unemployment rates, too. The correlation with crime rates may be positive, but it isn't 1.0.
  199. @Jack D
    Most of what you have written is evasive verbal sleight of hand (I asked you to name an anti-white hate hoax preceding Brawley and you couldn't), so I won't even bother to rebut point by point, but

    Right, until AFTER it was determined these incidents were fabricated.
     
    As Steve notes, the NY Times has, to this day, never once printed the name Haven Monahan.

    “Most of what you have written is evasive verbal sleight of hand…”

    I wouldn’t expect any different for you to characterize what I clearly wrote in that manner.

    “I asked you to name an anti-white hate hoax preceding Brawley and you couldn’t.”

    Because that would be assuming that I agree there was an event prior to Brawley that marked this alleged period of time. Why would I do something if I am not of that mindset?

    “As Steve notes, the NY Times has, to this day, never once printed the name Haven Monahan.”

    That’s not true. https://www.unz.com/isteve/haven-monahan-in-the-news

    From Mr. Sailer himself –> “By the way, a search through the New York Times archives reveals that the newspaper finally published the name “Haven Monahan” in late March 2015, more than 4 months after CNN used it.”

    “There is reporting and then there is reporting. Some stories, such as brutal rapes and murders of white women, get 2 column inches on the police blotter of the local paper once…”

    Which stories are you referring to? Of course, while these events are tragic, they may not be particular “worthy” of extended coverage. You do realize that editors make those decisions regardless if the publication leans left or right, correct?

    “and some stories, such as the shocking racism of the Augusta National Golf Club, merit 30 stories on the front page of the NY Times.”

    No different than Fox News every night presenting the innocence of Trump, right?

    So how do you think the media, left or right, decides which stories merit more reporting than other stories? Basic 101 J0urnalism –> https://www.mediacollege.com/journalism/news/newsworthy.html

    Of course, there is the particular bias of any news outlet. Again, that is an issue with the people who are in charge of what is and is not made into a story, which is not reserved to one side or the other side of the ideological spectrum. Remember, Mr. Sailer is part of the media that “furnishes us with convenient concepts…that make it easier to remember the facts they prefer you to know and harder to remember the facts that undermine the concepts.” There are several scenes in the film “All The Presidents Men” that take a look into how the editors of a paper for their own particular section (e.g. Front Page, Local, Entertainment, Sports) decide what will be “front page” or “back page”, as well as the potential angle to take.

    “Believing that the media are just humble scribes merely presenting the facts without fear or favor requires a shocking degree of naivete by now.”

    That would be a strawman, as I never directly or indirectly made that assertion.

    “By the way, a client of mine is a Nigerian prince who has $10 million on deposit in an American bank and is in need of a local to assist him in withdrawing these funds. He has told me that he would be willing to pay a 10% commission to anyone who would help him. Would you by any chance be interested? There might be some incidental expenses that you would have to front, but you will get these all back and much more, I assure you.”

    LOL.

    • Replies: @res

    “Most of what you have written is evasive verbal sleight of hand…”

    I wouldn’t expect any different for you to characterize what I clearly wrote in that manner.
     
    Rather tortured grammar. Did Corvinus accidentally say something true here? What he wrote was clearly verbal sleight of hand as characterized by Jack D.
  200. @Reg Cæsar

    What happens every day? Such as what?

     

    Things that don't make the papers.

    The name of Frederick Demond Scott, black serial killer of white men operating in Kansas City last year, has never appeared in the New York Times. But if a white person at a neighborhood pool asks to see a black person’s ID, that’s “news that’s fit to print.”

  201. @AnotherDad

    NO reason – no. But tiny offenses – yes. Till, in the worst possible telling of what he did, made a verbal sexual proposition to a white woman (without ever touching her).
     
    Jack, this is false, as other commenters have pointed out.

    But the interesting thing here is that you--an intelligent and knowledgeable, non-liberal--think it is true. As did i before reading alternative media.

    The "official story" that the NYT and establishment media tried to convery was that an innocent black boy was harmlessly flirting with a white woman and was killed for it. The NYT wants us to think it was a "hey baby" and a "wolfwhistle".

    In fact, Till's was very aggressive behavior. The second part of rushing to block her path,perhaps grabbing her waist is the kind of thing that could be a prelude to rape and would make any woman concerned, upset--if it's not that gal's Christian Grey that she actually wants to be taken by. This woman Carolyn Byrant is off in the middle of nowhere with a bunch of blacks out front and one--who has made his intentions clear--messing with her.

    Once these events were "the talk" amongst the blacks, her husband Roy pretty much had to do something. You can't run a store off in the middle of nowhere--much less where you're going to be away and leave your wife there surrounded by black clientel--if you let blacks think this behavior is tolerable.

    Unfortunately--for the rest of us--Till was a first class a*hole hardcase and wouldn't just suck it up and tuck under, in which case an ass whooping would have ended it. So we've had to listen to the NYT lecture us incessantly on our sins for the next 50.

    What this case actually demonstrates is the time honored truth--separate peoples do not belong together. One people, one culture, one standard, one nation ... much happier situation.

    “In fact, Till’s was very aggressive behavior. The second part of rushing to block her path, perhaps grabbing her waist is the kind of thing that could be a prelude to rape and would make any woman concerned, upset–if it’s not that gal’s Christian Grey that she actually wants to be taken by. This woman Carolyn Byrant is off in the middle of nowhere with a bunch of blacks out front and one–who has made his intentions clear–messing with her.”

    You do realize that Carole Bryant just came out and basically recanted her story, right?

    “Timothy Tyson, a Duke University senior research scholar, reveals that Carolyn—in 2007, at age 72—confessed that she had fabricated the most sensational part of her testimony. “That part’s not true,” she told Tyson, about her claim that Till had made verbal and physical advances on her. As for the rest of what happened that evening in the country store, she said she couldn’t remember. (Carolyn is now 82, and her current whereabouts have been kept secret by her family.)”…Nothing that boy did could ever justify what happened to him.”

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/01/how-author-timothy-tyson-found-the-woman-at-the-center-of-the-emmett-till-case?mbid=social_twitter

  202. @Achmed E. Newman
    Heh! Edgy, very very edgy .... but funny nonetheless.

    Thanks – I entertain myself trying to see how tightly I can walk the line Steve has drawn for acceptable comments.

  203. @Jack D
    It's true that I was not aware (or had forgotten) the little details that Till had apparently put his arm around her waist (and in the current #Me Too environment, perhaps that IS a capital offense) but it does not seem from the context that this was intended to be threatening or a prelude to rape but done in a playful way. He was apparently bragging to his cousins that he had, in the big city of Chicago, CONSENSUAL relationships with white girls and was trying to show Bryant that he was familiar with the ways of white women and knew how to court them, unlike the local black country bumpkins. Now, as I said before, this was spectacularly tone deaf in Mississippi 1955 but it was not indicative that he intended to rape Bryant.

    As for one people being happiest, perhaps white people should have thought about this before importing millions of slaves to the Americas. If the white people of Mississippi found themselves in a barely controllable situation where they were surrounded by hostile people of another race who were prone to violence and had good reason not to like them, whose fault was that?

    Agreed. Their hindsight should have been as clear as yours.

  204. @AnotherDad

    There is a very large segment of Chicago blacks who are very aggressive and on the prowl. Coming soon to a neighborhood in your area.
     
    Chicago's Jews, as well as sending us the messiah, are trying to export them to improve the lives of us benighted white peasants in places like Dubuque with "more diversity", while importing more compliant Mexicans to take the territory and do the labor. We are so lucky to have such enlighted betters looking out for us.

    Daley was exporting blacks to the south suburbs almost as soon as he took office in ’89. I’ve told this story many times here and elsewhere. My wife’s childhood home of Park Forest went from a picture book definition of middle middle-class suburbia in the 70’s – 80’s to a Section 8 black wasteland in less than 20 years. Chicago Heights, Harvey, South Holland, Ford Heights, Homewood, Country Club Hills, Matteson, Hazel Crest etc., etc., have all suffered the same fate.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Why did he do that?
  205. @Jack D
    What law abiding blacks want (and I can't say that I blame them) is to be included inside the trust circle. It must be annoying/infuriating to be a middle class black person and followed around the store because they think that you are a shoplifter and so on. But, what blacks don't seem to realize is that trust must be earned and that stereotypes don't come from thin air but are based on reality. What seems to be missing from the black way of looking at this is any desire or willingness to pressure the less law abiding portions of black society to stop doing shit that gives black people a bad reputation. Yes in some cases there has been white overreaction or mistaken reaction (e.g. where whites see a black "burglar" who is breaking into his own home because he has forgotten his keys) but given the crime statistics, it is an understandable and not "racist" assumption that a black dude breaking a window is a burglar and not the homeowner (even if you might give a white "burglar" the benefit of the doubt).

    I think what all blacks regardless of class or level of intelligence seem to want is respect – most often unearned – rather than trust. The majority of underclass blacks don’t seem to care whether the shopkeeper trusts them not to steal, but rather whether the shopkeeper gives them due respect to not suspect them of stealing even if they’re then in the act of stealing.

    So much of #BLM makes sense from this perspective – the issue isn’t that Michael Brown really had his hands up and was surrendering when he was fatally shot, it’s that Wilson should have left him alone in the first place and not investigated the predicate crime, and Wilson certainly should have minded his own business (as if enforcing the law isn’t his business) when Brown physically resisted Wilson. Once Brown’s criminal co-conspirator put forth the false figleaf that Brown was surrendering when shot, it became a breach of respect due to blacks not to accept this narrative in spite of contrary physical evidence and contemporary truthful testimony corroborated by the physical evidence. It remains so.

    This is the respect of the jungle – of fang and claw – not the respect of civil society earned by a history of prosocial behavior, abiding the law, honesty in dealing with others and gentlemanly conduct.

    • Agree: snorlax
  206. If Till had had a grownup like this in his life, he wouldn’t have been murdered:

    By the time Bryant and Milam got to the house where he was staying, he would have been begging them for rescue. They probably would have laughed and left without hurting anybody.

  207. @Jack D

    Not on my pancakes.
     
    In the old racist America, blacks were hated so much that we put their picture on packaged goods. Because of this, not a single box of Aunt Jemima pancake mix was ever sold south of the Mason-Dixon line. As a badge of their hatred, the owners of the mill renamed their company "Aunt Jemima Mills".

    They used to have pancake houses called “Sambo’s.”

    After this guy:

    If you’re not familiar with the story, tigers trap him in a tree, thrn run around the tree so fast they melt, and his mother makes them into pancakes.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Little Black Sambo was originally Tamil (note the absence of tigers in the Old South).

    We Dravidians (and Scotsmen) vehemently protest this act of cultural appropriation.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    They used to have pancake houses called “Sambo’s.”

    After this guy:
     

    http://bfsb.org/the-foundation/

    No, after these guys:

    http://bfsb.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/samb-092710-2.png

    http://classified-media.staradvertiser.com/951360-01.jpg

  208. @Hamlet's Ghost
    Perhaps Mr. Sailer could do a count of "Jessica Chambers", who was BURNED ALIVE by her black boyfriend, and see what good white privilege did her.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/02/24/suspect-reportedly-indicted-in-burning-death-mississippi-teen-jessica-chambers.html

    Burn coal, pay the toll. But Chalmers got off easy. Some of them are not lucky enough to die:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2244817/Carmen-Tarleton-book-Mother-disfigured-horrific-Lye-attack-awaits-face-transplant.html

  209. @Steve Sailer
    My family went out for breakfast after Mass on Sunday morning in the 1960s.

    My family went out for breakfast after Mass on Sunday morning in the 1960s.

    I thought that was called “brunch”.

  210. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ben tillman
    Jack, it is not true that in the pre-civil-rights era blacks never lynched whites for raping black women.

    There is at least one documented case of exactly such a lynching (I believe it was in Tennessee), and the local white power structure did not prosecute.

    There is at least one documented case of exactly such a lynching (I believe it was in Tennessee), and the local white power structure did not prosecute.

    Do you have any further details so that we may look this up?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    While looking for that one, I found another that I should have been able to recall. In Pickens County, S.C., in 1887, a black mob lynched a white man named Manse Waldrop for the rape and murder of a black girl. Two members of the mob, both African American, were eventually convicted, but a massive petition campaign led the Governor to pardon them.

    Here is a useful database:

    http://np.news-press.com/data/220

    , @ben tillman
    Check out this paper:

    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.838.9449&rep=rep1&type=pdf

    Black Lynchings: The Power Threat Hypothesis Revisited*
    STEWART E. TOLNAY,
    State University of New York at Albany

    E. M. BE C K,
    University of Georgia

    JAMES L. MASSEY,
    Northern Illinois University

    Abstract

    Between 1889 and 1931 nearly 3,000 blacks were lynched in the American South. One of the few "theory driven" efforts to explain the lynching phenomenon has employed Blalock's "power threat hypothesis" as a framework, arguing that southern whites lynched blacks to retain political hegemony. This paper reexamines the empirical support for a power threat interpretation of southern lynchings and finds it wanting. It is shown that previous analyses have been plagued by a variety of conceptual and methodological weaknesses including: sensitivity to extremely influential cases; sample selection truncation; an inappropriate measure of lynching; and possible model misspecification. Our alternative analyses, including corrections for these problems, reveal no support for the power threat explanation for lynching.

  211. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Daley was exporting blacks to the south suburbs almost as soon as he took office in '89. I've told this story many times here and elsewhere. My wife's childhood home of Park Forest went from a picture book definition of middle middle-class suburbia in the 70's - 80's to a Section 8 black wasteland in less than 20 years. Chicago Heights, Harvey, South Holland, Ford Heights, Homewood, Country Club Hills, Matteson, Hazel Crest etc., etc., have all suffered the same fate.

    Why did he do that?

  212. @Rosamond Vincy
    They used to have pancake houses called "Sambo's."

    After this guy:

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61NhrPqASZL._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

    If you're not familiar with the story, tigers trap him in a tree, thrn run around the tree so fast they melt, and his mother makes them into pancakes.

    https://www.capegazette.com/sites/capegazette/files/2016/01/field/image/IMG_5294.jpg

    Little Black Sambo was originally Tamil (note the absence of tigers in the Old South).

    We Dravidians (and Scotsmen) vehemently protest this act of cultural appropriation.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    He looks like he's from the Asian subcontinent on the pancake menus, but he's definitely African in some of the book versions. (Which still doesn't explain the presence of tigers: they have lions.)

    Wow. So Bannerman's character was Hamiltoned.
  213. @Jack D
    You know, I have often thought about this paradox - that on the one hand I am (by modern standards) a "racist" when it comes to blacks and yet I do not favor anti-Semitism.

    There is no easy answer to this except that I think that the anti-Semites are often wrong about the Jews (and often invent imaginary crimes like the blood libel) but the racists are not always wrong about the blacks. In my view (and obviously I am biased), Jews have (despite some negatives - no group is perfect) been net contributors to American society and blacks (who were, BTW, brought here by whites) have been net detractors, especially in the post WWII welfare/ urban crime era.

    In my view (and obviously I am biased), Jews have (despite some negatives – no group is perfect) been net contributors to American society

    I agree with this, but think the current crop of influential Jews in the media are doing their best to change it. And if they succeed in turning the US into a replica of the third world then they will have succeeded in making that change as well.

  214. @Corvinus
    "Most of what you have written is evasive verbal sleight of hand..."

    I wouldn't expect any different for you to characterize what I clearly wrote in that manner.

    "I asked you to name an anti-white hate hoax preceding Brawley and you couldn’t."

    Because that would be assuming that I agree there was an event prior to Brawley that marked this alleged period of time. Why would I do something if I am not of that mindset?

    "As Steve notes, the NY Times has, to this day, never once printed the name Haven Monahan."

    That's not true. https://www.unz.com/isteve/haven-monahan-in-the-news

    From Mr. Sailer himself --> "By the way, a search through the New York Times archives reveals that the newspaper finally published the name “Haven Monahan” in late March 2015, more than 4 months after CNN used it."

    "There is reporting and then there is reporting. Some stories, such as brutal rapes and murders of white women, get 2 column inches on the police blotter of the local paper once..."

    Which stories are you referring to? Of course, while these events are tragic, they may not be particular "worthy" of extended coverage. You do realize that editors make those decisions regardless if the publication leans left or right, correct?

    "and some stories, such as the shocking racism of the Augusta National Golf Club, merit 30 stories on the front page of the NY Times."

    No different than Fox News every night presenting the innocence of Trump, right?

    So how do you think the media, left or right, decides which stories merit more reporting than other stories? Basic 101 J0urnalism --> https://www.mediacollege.com/journalism/news/newsworthy.html

    Of course, there is the particular bias of any news outlet. Again, that is an issue with the people who are in charge of what is and is not made into a story, which is not reserved to one side or the other side of the ideological spectrum. Remember, Mr. Sailer is part of the media that "furnishes us with convenient concepts...that make it easier to remember the facts they prefer you to know and harder to remember the facts that undermine the concepts." There are several scenes in the film "All The Presidents Men" that take a look into how the editors of a paper for their own particular section (e.g. Front Page, Local, Entertainment, Sports) decide what will be "front page" or "back page", as well as the potential angle to take.

    "Believing that the media are just humble scribes merely presenting the facts without fear or favor requires a shocking degree of naivete by now."

    That would be a strawman, as I never directly or indirectly made that assertion.

    "By the way, a client of mine is a Nigerian prince who has $10 million on deposit in an American bank and is in need of a local to assist him in withdrawing these funds. He has told me that he would be willing to pay a 10% commission to anyone who would help him. Would you by any chance be interested? There might be some incidental expenses that you would have to front, but you will get these all back and much more, I assure you."

    LOL.

    “Most of what you have written is evasive verbal sleight of hand…”

    I wouldn’t expect any different for you to characterize what I clearly wrote in that manner.

    Rather tortured grammar. Did Corvinus accidentally say something true here? What he wrote was clearly verbal sleight of hand as characterized by Jack D.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Lol
  215. @Harry Baldwin
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've read that Somalis are the only immigrant group with an unemployment rate significantly higher than African Americans.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve read that Somalis are the only immigrant group with an unemployment rate significantly higher than African Americans.

    With black faces and Arabic names, they’re hard to separate and quantify statistically. If you have a source for statistics, let me know. I’ve been looking for 20 years.

    American Indians have traditionally been the least-employed Americans, but they’re not at the top of the violence charts. Teens of all races have wretched unemployment rates, too. The correlation with crime rates may be positive, but it isn’t 1.0.

  216. @Rosamond Vincy
    They used to have pancake houses called "Sambo's."

    After this guy:

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61NhrPqASZL._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

    If you're not familiar with the story, tigers trap him in a tree, thrn run around the tree so fast they melt, and his mother makes them into pancakes.

    https://www.capegazette.com/sites/capegazette/files/2016/01/field/image/IMG_5294.jpg

    They used to have pancake houses called “Sambo’s.”

    After this guy:

    http://bfsb.org/the-foundation/

    No, after these guys:

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Technically true, but the menus looked like this:

    http://www.mhodistributors.com/sambos-pancakes-2.jpg

    http://www.jumpingfrog.com/images/epm15dec01/ppp8166.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c5/33/03/c533037bb8687ca7f5c09586a2ddb3e6.jpg
  217. @Reg Cæsar

    They used to have pancake houses called “Sambo’s.”

    After this guy:
     

    http://bfsb.org/the-foundation/

    No, after these guys:

    http://bfsb.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/samb-092710-2.png

    http://classified-media.staradvertiser.com/951360-01.jpg

    Technically true, but the menus looked like this:

  218. @Anon
    Little Black Sambo was originally Tamil (note the absence of tigers in the Old South).

    We Dravidians (and Scotsmen) vehemently protest this act of cultural appropriation.

    He looks like he’s from the Asian subcontinent on the pancake menus, but he’s definitely African in some of the book versions. (Which still doesn’t explain the presence of tigers: they have lions.)

    Wow. So Bannerman’s character was Hamiltoned.

  219. @Jack D
    It's true that I was not aware (or had forgotten) the little details that Till had apparently put his arm around her waist (and in the current #Me Too environment, perhaps that IS a capital offense) but it does not seem from the context that this was intended to be threatening or a prelude to rape but done in a playful way. He was apparently bragging to his cousins that he had, in the big city of Chicago, CONSENSUAL relationships with white girls and was trying to show Bryant that he was familiar with the ways of white women and knew how to court them, unlike the local black country bumpkins. Now, as I said before, this was spectacularly tone deaf in Mississippi 1955 but it was not indicative that he intended to rape Bryant.

    As for one people being happiest, perhaps white people should have thought about this before importing millions of slaves to the Americas. If the white people of Mississippi found themselves in a barely controllable situation where they were surrounded by hostile people of another race who were prone to violence and had good reason not to like them, whose fault was that?

    … but it does not seem from the context that this was intended to be threatening or a prelude to rape but done in a playful way. He was apparently bragging to his cousins that he had, in the big city of Chicago, CONSENSUAL relationships with white girls and was trying to show Bryant that he was familiar with the ways of white women and knew how to court them, unlike the local black country bumpkins. Now, as I said before, this was spectacularly tone deaf in Mississippi 1955 but it was not indicative that he intended to rape Bryant.

    I didn’t say he intended to rape Bryant. What I said was:

    The second part of rushing to block her path,perhaps grabbing her waist is the kind of thing that could be a prelude to rape and would make any woman concerned, upset

    And i disagree with you that he was trying to show Bryant–or at least that his behavior indicated–

    “that he was familiar with the ways of white women and knew how to court them.”

    What’s reported sounds like typical lame ass “hey baby yo fine” black courting.

    My point is that this sort of isolating and blocking ability to leave is very threatening behavior to women. They can find it super-sexy … from a guy they actually want, but it’s not from one they don’t. Doesn’t every guy understand this? We are much–not a little bit, but much–stronger than women. I’m a very average guy–a bit less overweight than the typical guy my age–and i rarely come across any woman–even ones who are “fit”–whom i couldn’t subdue. (Well i guess, my daughter’s XC friends could easily run away from me.) Carolyn Bryant was a petite little thing. Till was a thickly built black dude. Whom she did not know. Who was talking about how he’d like to sex her up. And then is blocking her exit. Till might have been thinking–i’m showing those country bumpkins how it’s done. Carolyn is both offended, disgusted and scared. She doesn’t know this guy or whether he means to have his way with her.

    Jack, if you’re curious about this: Next time you’re on the highway late at night, pull into a Kwik Mart that has no cars. Get you gum and when the clerk reaches to scan it, grab the clerk’s hand, tell her how you like to sex up the gentile girls and when she jerks away and heads for the office or back room, jump in front of her to cut her off, grab her waist and tell her how good it will be. See where it gets you. (If you could wear a go-pro that would be cool, we iStevers would love to see the video.)

    • Replies: @Anon

    Carolyn is both offended, disgusted and scared.
     
    There's actually more to it than that. She's also married, which means she runs the risk of being perceived as unfaithful by her husband or the community, depending on how this guy's interacting with her is interpreted. That by itself poses reputational, material, life trajectory, and even physical dangers.

    (Is it possible she was flirting with the boy and made up part of the story to cover herself? I think it unlikely, but what of her retraction years later?)

  220. anonymous[418] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    What is the significance of the "lived in 50% black areas" qualifier?

    greetings, fellow american goy white man!

    the significance is that when you live in a 50% black town you obviously dont go around getting outraged by someone merely existing as a black teenager.

  221. Anonymous[418] • Disclaimer says:
    @res

    “Most of what you have written is evasive verbal sleight of hand…”

    I wouldn’t expect any different for you to characterize what I clearly wrote in that manner.
     
    Rather tortured grammar. Did Corvinus accidentally say something true here? What he wrote was clearly verbal sleight of hand as characterized by Jack D.

    Lol

  222. Anon[418] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    … but it does not seem from the context that this was intended to be threatening or a prelude to rape but done in a playful way. He was apparently bragging to his cousins that he had, in the big city of Chicago, CONSENSUAL relationships with white girls and was trying to show Bryant that he was familiar with the ways of white women and knew how to court them, unlike the local black country bumpkins. Now, as I said before, this was spectacularly tone deaf in Mississippi 1955 but it was not indicative that he intended to rape Bryant.
     
    I didn't say he intended to rape Bryant. What I said was:


    The second part of rushing to block her path,perhaps grabbing her waist is the kind of thing that could be a prelude to rape and would make any woman concerned, upset
     
    And i disagree with you that he was trying to show Bryant--or at least that his behavior indicated--

    "that he was familiar with the ways of white women and knew how to court them."
     
    What's reported sounds like typical lame ass "hey baby yo fine" black courting.

    My point is that this sort of isolating and blocking ability to leave is very threatening behavior to women. They can find it super-sexy ... from a guy they actually want, but it's not from one they don't. Doesn't every guy understand this? We are much--not a little bit, but much--stronger than women. I'm a very average guy--a bit less overweight than the typical guy my age--and i rarely come across any woman--even ones who are "fit"--whom i couldn't subdue. (Well i guess, my daughter's XC friends could easily run away from me.) Carolyn Bryant was a petite little thing. Till was a thickly built black dude. Whom she did not know. Who was talking about how he'd like to sex her up. And then is blocking her exit. Till might have been thinking--i'm showing those country bumpkins how it's done. Carolyn is both offended, disgusted and scared. She doesn't know this guy or whether he means to have his way with her.


    Jack, if you're curious about this: Next time you're on the highway late at night, pull into a Kwik Mart that has no cars. Get you gum and when the clerk reaches to scan it, grab the clerk's hand, tell her how you like to sex up the gentile girls and when she jerks away and heads for the office or back room, jump in front of her to cut her off, grab her waist and tell her how good it will be. See where it gets you. (If you could wear a go-pro that would be cool, we iStevers would love to see the video.)

    Carolyn is both offended, disgusted and scared.

    There’s actually more to it than that. She’s also married, which means she runs the risk of being perceived as unfaithful by her husband or the community, depending on how this guy’s interacting with her is interpreted. That by itself poses reputational, material, life trajectory, and even physical dangers.

    (Is it possible she was flirting with the boy and made up part of the story to cover herself? I think it unlikely, but what of her retraction years later?)

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Her husband had a history of violence. She might well have been more scared of him than of Till.
  223. @Reg Cæsar

    Germany has no exact equivalent of the 1st Amendment and, for obvious reasons, believes that it is important to prevent a revival of Nazism which not only destroyed European Jewry but also caused immeasurable damage to Germany itself.
     
    I'll defer to our German readers on the specifics of this, but it's my understanding that Germany's prohibitions on National Socialism are not viewed so much as censorship as a form of gang control. The NSDAP and any revivals are treated as criminal gangs.

    With good reason. They stole entire countries.

    I’ll defer to our German readers on the specifics of this

    See Artikel 5 of the German Grundgesetz (GG).

  224. @Jack D
    Due to the 1st Amendment, Holocaust denial and espousal of Nazi ideology cannot be made a crime in the US. Germany has no exact equivalent of the 1st Amendment and, for obvious reasons, believes that it is important to prevent a revival of Nazism which not only destroyed European Jewry but also caused immeasurable damage to Germany itself. America has a long history of protection of free speech (and no history of starting world wars) so it strikes the balance in a different way. I'd say that both countries got it right for their own conditions.

    it is important to prevent a revival of Nazism

    By jailing an 89 y/o ‘Nazi Oma’? — “LOL” — one thing about you dude: your opinions are as prosaic as they come.

    Find a video of her and listen to her speak — she is gentle and soft-spoken — she is not going to radicalize anyone, and says herself over and over that this is not her intention.

    I guarantee you the danger to Germany does not come from any potential ‘Nazi revival’.

    • Replies: @eah
    I guarantee you the danger to Germany does not come from any potential ‘Nazi revival’.

    "Nazi, Rassist" - Sarrazin aus Kreuzberg gejagt

    Do a simple search for "Sarrazin Nazi" -- even a guy like him with a rather simple demographic warning that is proven more than justified in data regularly published by various Bundesämter is called a Nazi.
    , @Jack D
    This was decided in the German court system and her sentence was upheld on appeal. I consider this to be truly an internal German matter. As I said earlier, the US does not and constitutionally cannot have any such laws. These laws were passed shortly after the war when the fear of Nazi revival was perhaps a more valid fear. Perhaps Germany has greater threats today than elderly Nazi grannies but the laws remain on the books. I assume Granny new about the laws but proceeded anyway - she may be gentle and soft spoken but clearly she is some sort of ideologue.
  225. @eah
    it is important to prevent a revival of Nazism

    By jailing an 89 y/o 'Nazi Oma'? -- "LOL" -- one thing about you dude: your opinions are as prosaic as they come.

    Find a video of her and listen to her speak -- she is gentle and soft-spoken -- she is not going to radicalize anyone, and says herself over and over that this is not her intention.

    I guarantee you the danger to Germany does not come from any potential 'Nazi revival'.

    https://s26.postimg.cc/i3x4p6oex/entwicklung-der-asylantraege-1995-2016.jpg

    I guarantee you the danger to Germany does not come from any potential ‘Nazi revival’.

    “Nazi, Rassist” – Sarrazin aus Kreuzberg gejagt

    Do a simple search for “Sarrazin Nazi” — even a guy like him with a rather simple demographic warning that is proven more than justified in data regularly published by various Bundesämter is called a Nazi.

  226. @eah
    it is important to prevent a revival of Nazism

    By jailing an 89 y/o 'Nazi Oma'? -- "LOL" -- one thing about you dude: your opinions are as prosaic as they come.

    Find a video of her and listen to her speak -- she is gentle and soft-spoken -- she is not going to radicalize anyone, and says herself over and over that this is not her intention.

    I guarantee you the danger to Germany does not come from any potential 'Nazi revival'.

    https://s26.postimg.cc/i3x4p6oex/entwicklung-der-asylantraege-1995-2016.jpg

    This was decided in the German court system and her sentence was upheld on appeal. I consider this to be truly an internal German matter. As I said earlier, the US does not and constitutionally cannot have any such laws. These laws were passed shortly after the war when the fear of Nazi revival was perhaps a more valid fear. Perhaps Germany has greater threats today than elderly Nazi grannies but the laws remain on the books. I assume Granny new about the laws but proceeded anyway – she may be gentle and soft spoken but clearly she is some sort of ideologue.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Indeed, it's a German matter.
    , @eah
    Another thing about you is this:

    These laws were passed shortly after the war when the fear of Nazi revival was perhaps a more valid fear.

    You make false claims/statements with a weird air of authority.

    You are wrong: Gesetze gegen Holocaustleugnung -- as I already explained, prosecutions for 'Holocaust denial' happen under § 130 (Strafgesetzbuch: Volksverhetzung), which makes 'inciting racial hatred' a Straftat (crime) -- this law was passed in 1985 -- it has been amended several times since -- it is simply (not to mention absurdly) stipulated that 'denying the Holocaust' is equivalent to 'inciting hatred' against Jews; this stipulation is the basis for all such prosecutions in Germany today -- after the initial prosecutions/convictions were appealed, the highest German court (Bundesgerichtshof, or BGH) ruled that 'Holocaust denial' is not protected speech/expression under Artikel 5 of the German GG -- this ruling came in 1994.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    If she was a camp guard, jail her geriatric porthole, but if she's just shooting off her senile mouth, let her alone.
  227. @Jack D
    This was decided in the German court system and her sentence was upheld on appeal. I consider this to be truly an internal German matter. As I said earlier, the US does not and constitutionally cannot have any such laws. These laws were passed shortly after the war when the fear of Nazi revival was perhaps a more valid fear. Perhaps Germany has greater threats today than elderly Nazi grannies but the laws remain on the books. I assume Granny new about the laws but proceeded anyway - she may be gentle and soft spoken but clearly she is some sort of ideologue.

    Indeed, it’s a German matter.

    • Replies: @eah
    Indeed, it’s a German matter.

    When/where did anyone say it wasn't? -- where did I say it wasn't? -- saying "it's a German matter" is in this context a rhetorical red herring since no one said it wasn't -- at least I did not.

    In the US, the First Amendment is only as good as its interpretation, which is up to the Supreme Court -- and I already showed that in Germany 1) Artikel 5 of the GG is comparable to the First Amendment of the US Constitution, and 2) the highest German court ruled that Holocaustleugnung is not 'protected speech' under Artikel 5.

    I also suggested that those who believe something similar is impossible/could/would never happen in the US are being naive -- that is the gist of what I said.
    , @Anon
    But once suggest the death of Emmett Till is an internal Mississippi matter and a different calculus seems to apply.
  228. @Steve Sailer
    Indeed, it's a German matter.

    Indeed, it’s a German matter.

    When/where did anyone say it wasn’t? — where did I say it wasn’t? — saying “it’s a German matter” is in this context a rhetorical red herring since no one said it wasn’t — at least I did not.

    In the US, the First Amendment is only as good as its interpretation, which is up to the Supreme Court — and I already showed that in Germany 1) Artikel 5 of the GG is comparable to the First Amendment of the US Constitution, and 2) the highest German court ruled that Holocaustleugnung is not ‘protected speech’ under Artikel 5.

    I also suggested that those who believe something similar is impossible/could/would never happen in the US are being naive — that is the gist of what I said.

  229. @Jack D
    This was decided in the German court system and her sentence was upheld on appeal. I consider this to be truly an internal German matter. As I said earlier, the US does not and constitutionally cannot have any such laws. These laws were passed shortly after the war when the fear of Nazi revival was perhaps a more valid fear. Perhaps Germany has greater threats today than elderly Nazi grannies but the laws remain on the books. I assume Granny new about the laws but proceeded anyway - she may be gentle and soft spoken but clearly she is some sort of ideologue.

    Another thing about you is this:

    These laws were passed shortly after the war when the fear of Nazi revival was perhaps a more valid fear.

    You make false claims/statements with a weird air of authority.

    You are wrong: Gesetze gegen Holocaustleugnung — as I already explained, prosecutions for ‘Holocaust denial’ happen under § 130 (Strafgesetzbuch: Volksverhetzung), which makes ‘inciting racial hatred’ a Straftat (crime) — this law was passed in 1985 — it has been amended several times since — it is simply (not to mention absurdly) stipulated that ‘denying the Holocaust’ is equivalent to ‘inciting hatred’ against Jews; this stipulation is the basis for all such prosecutions in Germany today — after the initial prosecutions/convictions were appealed, the highest German court (Bundesgerichtshof, or BGH) ruled that ‘Holocaust denial’ is not protected speech/expression under Artikel 5 of the German GG — this ruling came in 1994.

  230. @Steve Sailer
    Indeed, it's a German matter.

    But once suggest the death of Emmett Till is an internal Mississippi matter and a different calculus seems to apply.

  231. @Ben tillman
    Jack, it is not true that in the pre-civil-rights era blacks never lynched whites for raping black women.

    There is at least one documented case of exactly such a lynching (I believe it was in Tennessee), and the local white power structure did not prosecute.

    While looking for that one, I found another that I should have been able to recall. In Pickens County, S.C., in 1887, a black mob lynched a white man named Manse Waldrop for the rape and murder of a black girl. Two members of the mob, both African American, were eventually convicted, but a massive petition campaign led the Governor to pardon them.

    • Replies: @res
    Thanks for the reference.

    Here are some DOIs (available on libgen) which talk about this:
    10.1080/14664650500380993 - this is a 23 page paper in American Nineteenth Century History about the incident
    10.1080/14664650500380902 - used as an example in a discussion of lynching

    The first of those is supposed to be at https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14664650500380993
    but that link is failing for me right now. This page has the abstract and additional references: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/43978227_Lynch_Law_Reversed_The_Rape_of_Lula_Sherman_the_Lynching_of_Manse_Waldrop_and_the_Debate_Over_Lynching_in_the_1880s

    Abstract:

    This study examines an 1887 lynching in Pickens County, South Carolina, in which a black mob lynched a white man for the rape and murder of a black girl. Two members of the mob, both African American, were eventually convicted, but a massive petition campaign led the Governor to pardon them. The study relies largely on coroner’s inquests for the murder victim and the lynching victim, court records, and newspaper articles. It suggests that the anomalous nature of this lynching prompted many people to consider and debate exactly what justified lynching and what role race was to play in those justifications. Since the lynching occurred at the very point when lynching victims were becoming overwhelmingly African American men, the insights provided into contemporary views on lynching are all the more valuable.
     
    Some context:

    By the late 1880s, the practice of lynching itself was in flux. It was not until the late 1880s that lynching came to be associated in the public mind primarily with white mobs responding to sexual assaults by black men on white women, assaults that had appropriated the term ‘outrage’ from the Reconstruction-era lynchings.12
     
  232. @europeasant
    I don't know but he probably didn't know. But still an 14 year old hitting on a grown woman? He must have been quite confidant in his abilities to charm the ladies.

    Itz an old story and who can tell what really went on in that store. Till likely had the mentality of a child in a man's body and did not understand that he was not back home in Chicago. There is a very large segment of Chicago blacks who are very aggressive and on the prowl. Coming soon to a neighborhood in your area. Their population is at about 40 million.

    I don’t know but he probably didn’t know. But still an 14 year old hitting on a grown woman? He must have been quite confidant in his abilities to charm the ladies.

    Sex is possible without the woman’s consent.

  233. @Anonymous

    There is at least one documented case of exactly such a lynching (I believe it was in Tennessee), and the local white power structure did not prosecute.
     
    Do you have any further details so that we may look this up?

    While looking for that one, I found another that I should have been able to recall. In Pickens County, S.C., in 1887, a black mob lynched a white man named Manse Waldrop for the rape and murder of a black girl. Two members of the mob, both African American, were eventually convicted, but a massive petition campaign led the Governor to pardon them.

    Here is a useful database:

    http://np.news-press.com/data/220

    • Replies: @res
    Very helpful database. Thanks!

    I downloaded the CSV and took a look. There were 2606 lynchings. The victims were 2462 black, 289, white, 50 unknown.

    There were 155 cases where the mob was listed as black, but those were the only entries I saw in the mob column.

    There were 4 cases (including Manse Waldrop) where the victim was white and the mob was black:

    State Year  Mo Day Victim                       County           Race Sex Mob Offense
    LA     1890 6     16    George Swayze        E. Feliciana   Wht Male Blk Political causes
    MS    1884 4     28    Samuel T. Wilson   Issaquena      Wht Male Blk Murderous assault
    SC     1887 12    31    Manzeo Waldrop    Pickens           Wht Male Blk Rape & murder
    TN    1883 5      12    Bill Connors             Scott               Wht Male Blk Murder

    Is the last one your TN case?

    All four examples were from 1883-1890 which seems in line with the paper I linked above.
  234. @Anonymous

    There is at least one documented case of exactly such a lynching (I believe it was in Tennessee), and the local white power structure did not prosecute.
     
    Do you have any further details so that we may look this up?

    Check out this paper:

    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.838.9449&rep=rep1&type=pdf

    Black Lynchings: The Power Threat Hypothesis Revisited*
    STEWART E. TOLNAY,
    State University of New York at Albany

    E. M. BE C K,
    University of Georgia

    JAMES L. MASSEY,
    Northern Illinois University

    Abstract

    Between 1889 and 1931 nearly 3,000 blacks were lynched in the American South. One of the few “theory driven” efforts to explain the lynching phenomenon has employed Blalock’s “power threat hypothesis” as a framework, arguing that southern whites lynched blacks to retain political hegemony. This paper reexamines the empirical support for a power threat interpretation of southern lynchings and finds it wanting. It is shown that previous analyses have been plagued by a variety of conceptual and methodological weaknesses including: sensitivity to extremely influential cases; sample selection truncation; an inappropriate measure of lynching; and possible model misspecification. Our alternative analyses, including corrections for these problems, reveal no support for the power threat explanation for lynching.

    • Replies: @res
    Thanks. That link failed for me, but after looking at https://www.researchgate.net/publication/245586506_Black_Lynchings_The_Power_Threat_Hypothesis_Revisited
    I found DOI 10.1093/sf/67.3.605 at libgen.
  235. @Anon

    Carolyn is both offended, disgusted and scared.
     
    There's actually more to it than that. She's also married, which means she runs the risk of being perceived as unfaithful by her husband or the community, depending on how this guy's interacting with her is interpreted. That by itself poses reputational, material, life trajectory, and even physical dangers.

    (Is it possible she was flirting with the boy and made up part of the story to cover herself? I think it unlikely, but what of her retraction years later?)

    Her husband had a history of violence. She might well have been more scared of him than of Till.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Do you think that led her to exaggerate or fabricate her account?
  236. @Jack D
    This was decided in the German court system and her sentence was upheld on appeal. I consider this to be truly an internal German matter. As I said earlier, the US does not and constitutionally cannot have any such laws. These laws were passed shortly after the war when the fear of Nazi revival was perhaps a more valid fear. Perhaps Germany has greater threats today than elderly Nazi grannies but the laws remain on the books. I assume Granny new about the laws but proceeded anyway - she may be gentle and soft spoken but clearly she is some sort of ideologue.

    If she was a camp guard, jail her geriatric porthole, but if she’s just shooting off her senile mouth, let her alone.

  237. @ben tillman
    While looking for that one, I found another that I should have been able to recall. In Pickens County, S.C., in 1887, a black mob lynched a white man named Manse Waldrop for the rape and murder of a black girl. Two members of the mob, both African American, were eventually convicted, but a massive petition campaign led the Governor to pardon them.

    Thanks for the reference.

    Here are some DOIs (available on libgen) which talk about this:
    10.1080/14664650500380993 – this is a 23 page paper in American Nineteenth Century History about the incident
    10.1080/14664650500380902 – used as an example in a discussion of lynching

    The first of those is supposed to be at https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14664650500380993
    but that link is failing for me right now. This page has the abstract and additional references: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/43978227_Lynch_Law_Reversed_The_Rape_of_Lula_Sherman_the_Lynching_of_Manse_Waldrop_and_the_Debate_Over_Lynching_in_the_1880s

    Abstract:

    This study examines an 1887 lynching in Pickens County, South Carolina, in which a black mob lynched a white man for the rape and murder of a black girl. Two members of the mob, both African American, were eventually convicted, but a massive petition campaign led the Governor to pardon them. The study relies largely on coroner’s inquests for the murder victim and the lynching victim, court records, and newspaper articles. It suggests that the anomalous nature of this lynching prompted many people to consider and debate exactly what justified lynching and what role race was to play in those justifications. Since the lynching occurred at the very point when lynching victims were becoming overwhelmingly African American men, the insights provided into contemporary views on lynching are all the more valuable.

    Some context:

    By the late 1880s, the practice of lynching itself was in flux. It was not until the late 1880s that lynching came to be associated in the public mind primarily with white mobs responding to sexual assaults by black men on white women, assaults that had appropriated the term ‘outrage’ from the Reconstruction-era lynchings.12

  238. @ben tillman
    While looking for that one, I found another that I should have been able to recall. In Pickens County, S.C., in 1887, a black mob lynched a white man named Manse Waldrop for the rape and murder of a black girl. Two members of the mob, both African American, were eventually convicted, but a massive petition campaign led the Governor to pardon them.

    Here is a useful database:

    http://np.news-press.com/data/220

    Very helpful database. Thanks!

    I downloaded the CSV and took a look. There were 2606 lynchings. The victims were 2462 black, 289, white, 50 unknown.

    There were 155 cases where the mob was listed as black, but those were the only entries I saw in the mob column.

    There were 4 cases (including Manse Waldrop) where the victim was white and the mob was black:

    State Year  Mo Day Victim                       County           Race Sex Mob Offense
    LA     1890 6     16    George Swayze        E. Feliciana   Wht Male Blk Political causes
    MS    1884 4     28    Samuel T. Wilson   Issaquena      Wht Male Blk Murderous assault
    SC     1887 12    31    Manzeo Waldrop    Pickens           Wht Male Blk Rape & murder
    TN    1883 5      12    Bill Connors             Scott               Wht Male Blk Murder

    Is the last one your TN case?

    All four examples were from 1883-1890 which seems in line with the paper I linked above.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    What I recall is something around 1912. It's not in that database (which may be incomplete), but obviously my recollection is incomplete or faulty.

    Here's an unusual one (the commentary is a quote from the newspaper):

    The Washington Herald., January 14, 1908, Page 6



    A mob of North Carolina negroes lynched the proprietor of a negro theatrical outfit because his show did not come up to the advance agent’s promises. Theoretically, this idea may be sound, but its general adoption would soon put the advance agent business all to the bad.
     
  239. @ben tillman
    Check out this paper:

    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.838.9449&rep=rep1&type=pdf

    Black Lynchings: The Power Threat Hypothesis Revisited*
    STEWART E. TOLNAY,
    State University of New York at Albany

    E. M. BE C K,
    University of Georgia

    JAMES L. MASSEY,
    Northern Illinois University

    Abstract

    Between 1889 and 1931 nearly 3,000 blacks were lynched in the American South. One of the few "theory driven" efforts to explain the lynching phenomenon has employed Blalock's "power threat hypothesis" as a framework, arguing that southern whites lynched blacks to retain political hegemony. This paper reexamines the empirical support for a power threat interpretation of southern lynchings and finds it wanting. It is shown that previous analyses have been plagued by a variety of conceptual and methodological weaknesses including: sensitivity to extremely influential cases; sample selection truncation; an inappropriate measure of lynching; and possible model misspecification. Our alternative analyses, including corrections for these problems, reveal no support for the power threat explanation for lynching.

    Thanks. That link failed for me, but after looking at https://www.researchgate.net/publication/245586506_Black_Lynchings_The_Power_Threat_Hypothesis_Revisited
    I found DOI 10.1093/sf/67.3.605 at libgen.

  240. @res
    Very helpful database. Thanks!

    I downloaded the CSV and took a look. There were 2606 lynchings. The victims were 2462 black, 289, white, 50 unknown.

    There were 155 cases where the mob was listed as black, but those were the only entries I saw in the mob column.

    There were 4 cases (including Manse Waldrop) where the victim was white and the mob was black:

    State Year  Mo Day Victim                       County           Race Sex Mob Offense
    LA     1890 6     16    George Swayze        E. Feliciana   Wht Male Blk Political causes
    MS    1884 4     28    Samuel T. Wilson   Issaquena      Wht Male Blk Murderous assault
    SC     1887 12    31    Manzeo Waldrop    Pickens           Wht Male Blk Rape & murder
    TN    1883 5      12    Bill Connors             Scott               Wht Male Blk Murder

    Is the last one your TN case?

    All four examples were from 1883-1890 which seems in line with the paper I linked above.

    What I recall is something around 1912. It’s not in that database (which may be incomplete), but obviously my recollection is incomplete or faulty.

    Here’s an unusual one (the commentary is a quote from the newspaper):

    The Washington Herald., January 14, 1908, Page 6


    A mob of North Carolina negroes lynched the proprietor of a negro theatrical outfit because his show did not come up to the advance agent’s promises. Theoretically, this idea may be sound, but its general adoption would soon put the advance agent business all to the bad.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    That last line is snotty enough to come from Mark Twain. Newspaper reporters sure have lost some style since those days.
  241. @Jack D
    NO reason - no. But tiny offenses - yes. Till, in the worst possible telling of what he did, made a verbal sexual proposition to a white woman (without ever touching her). BECAUSE this was a 50% black area, whites believed that they only way they could maintain order and keep their women from being raped was to maintain broad and strict lines of racial separation that blacks could not cross, on penalty of (extralegal) death. Till, being an outsider from Chicago, was unaware of and crossed this invisible line. Most local blacks, well aware of the lines and the penalty for crossing them, did not dare cross them and thus avoided being lynched. Under the unwritten code of the South, Till was not "innocent" but the code itself was both extralegal and immoral. In no just society is the penalty for an unwanted proposition death - that's taking #Me Too too far.

    Because this was a fifty per cent black area, whites believed that they only way they could maintain order and keep their women from being raped was to maintain broad and strict lines of racial separation that blacks could not cross, on penalty of (extralegal) death.

    I call shenanigans in two parts:

    1. Was this belief merely that – a belief – or was it not the case? Is it not the case now? With integration, and even miscegenation, rampant how much order is maintained amongst Negroes and how well are white women being prevented from being raped by Negroes?

    2. Belief or fact, was a policy of segregation and strict rules a result of half the population’s being black, or are you being a bit careless about proximate cause because the policy is in fact necessitated by Negroes’ penchant for violence (including rape, and especially against those of other races – dwarfing, in fact, other races’ penchants for interracial violence and, especially, rape…).

    As to whether this or that punishment is excessive or this or that crime, I say that’s a question without an objective and unchanging answer. We don’t live in the diagesis of The Makkado or in a polynomial equation. Here in the real world, what might seem excessive in one context may well be the minimal requirement to maintain order in another. Those scandallaised by the harshness of military discipline have usually never served in combat, or even aboard a ship underway, and those scandalised by the Mean White People of the southeastern U.S.A. in the twentieth century have usually never lived in situations where they were surrounded by Negroes. (I almost wrote “dangerous Negroes,” but I realised redundancy makes bad writing.)

  242. @Alec Leamas

    The elite need to accept that they are the elite and take on the sense of noblesse oblige that comes with it.

    Jews are particularly allergic to this. I tried to tell a co-religionist that we tended to be wealthier than average and she shut down. This was in private and we are as close as a male female wholly platonic relationship should be.
     
    The Jewish origin myth in America is that they're simultaneously both eternal victims and clever, tireless, economic supermen. Zaida Mordechai fled the Czar and the Pogroms, arrived in New York with pocket lint and a work ethic, and despite having been the victim of grave antisemitism because of a refusal to admit him to the choice Country Club in town made a great fortune by dint of his superior intelligence and hard work. Also, FDR refused to admit Jewish refugees before the Holocaust, which is naturally an evil visited upon us by Southern White Evangelical Israel Fanboys who deserve punishment.

    Jews giving up the notion that they're both: a) history's victims on par with chattel slaves; and b) entirely deserving of their place in society by merit alone isn't something I'd stake a dollar on.

    Jews giving up the notion that they’re both: a) history’s victims on par with chattel slaves;

    On par? Having half your brethren killed isn’t on par with being enslaved – something that most of humanity has had some experience with, as a result of losing battles – it’s far worse.

    • Replies: @bomag

    Having half your brethren killed isn’t on par with being enslaved... it’s far worse.
     
    Okay, but there are a lot of extinct and remnant populations. How long should we weep over history?
  243. @International Jew
    What lesson should we draw from that advertisement?

    What lesson should we draw from that advertisement?

    I’m going to leave that as a rhetorical question.

    I started with, “drink Poland Spring and be racially balanced”; and ended with, “the segregationists were right.”

  244. @Johann Ricke

    Jews giving up the notion that they’re both: a) history’s victims on par with chattel slaves;
     
    On par? Having half your brethren killed isn't on par with being enslaved - something that most of humanity has had some experience with, as a result of losing battles - it's far worse.

    Having half your brethren killed isn’t on par with being enslaved… it’s far worse.

    Okay, but there are a lot of extinct and remnant populations. How long should we weep over history?

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Okay, but there are a lot of extinct and remnant populations. How long should we weep over history?
     
    And a number of them were made extinct or decimated at the hands of Jews.
  245. @ben tillman
    What I recall is something around 1912. It's not in that database (which may be incomplete), but obviously my recollection is incomplete or faulty.

    Here's an unusual one (the commentary is a quote from the newspaper):

    The Washington Herald., January 14, 1908, Page 6



    A mob of North Carolina negroes lynched the proprietor of a negro theatrical outfit because his show did not come up to the advance agent’s promises. Theoretically, this idea may be sound, but its general adoption would soon put the advance agent business all to the bad.
     

    That last line is snotty enough to come from Mark Twain. Newspaper reporters sure have lost some style since those days.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    Indeed.
  246. @Rosamond Vincy
    Her husband had a history of violence. She might well have been more scared of him than of Till.

    Do you think that led her to exaggerate or fabricate her account?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    She didn't tell him about it initially because she knew he'd go nuts. When he found out, there's a good chance he demanded specific details, called her a liar if she didn't give the answers he wanted, and either whacked her or threatened to whack her until she said what he wanted to hear. There was a thug in my neighborhood who used to beat up his girlfriend and that's pretty much how it worked.
  247. @bomag

    Having half your brethren killed isn’t on par with being enslaved... it’s far worse.
     
    Okay, but there are a lot of extinct and remnant populations. How long should we weep over history?

    Okay, but there are a lot of extinct and remnant populations. How long should we weep over history?

    And a number of them were made extinct or decimated at the hands of Jews.

  248. @Anon
    Do you think that led her to exaggerate or fabricate her account?

    She didn’t tell him about it initially because she knew he’d go nuts. When he found out, there’s a good chance he demanded specific details, called her a liar if she didn’t give the answers he wanted, and either whacked her or threatened to whack her until she said what he wanted to hear. There was a thug in my neighborhood who used to beat up his girlfriend and that’s pretty much how it worked.

  249. @donut
    "A new tick species invading the U.S., the Asian long-horned tick, has arrived in New York’s suburbs. In Asia the species carries a virus that kills 15 percent of its victims."

    So there's still hope .

    There are so many Asians (and soon, Africans) that even if a billion or two were wiped out, there would still be way too many. One of several reasons for the uncontrolled flood into white nations.

  250. @Anonymous
    I've previously worked in media in Manhattan and have spent much of my life dealing with liberals in the New York Metropolitan area, both in and outside of media.

    Liberal journalists regard the New York Times as the Bible. To them, that shitty newspaper is a holy document. Virtually all liberal journalists care about what the NYT writes and take their cues directly from the New York Times.

    The esteem with which liberal journalist hold the New York times is equaled by the NYT's readership. So yeah, what the New York Times says and doesn't say largely dictates discourse in our society (at least among liberals and some independents), which was the whole point of Steve's column. This doesn't mean EVERY other liberal news source is publishing more stories about Till, but regardless, the NYT established The Narrative and the rest of the mainstream media tends to follow suit.

    “Liberal journalists regard the New York Times as the Bible. To them, that shitty newspaper is a holy document. Virtually all liberal journalists care about what the NYT writes and take their cues directly from the New York Times.”

    That’s not how journalism works. Someone who supposedly is part and parcel to it would know better.

    “The esteem with which liberal journalist hold the New York times is equaled by the NYT’s readership. So yeah, what the New York Times says and doesn’t say largely dictates discourse in our society (at least among liberals and some independents), which was the whole point of Steve’s column.”

    No, it’s what the MEDIA, RIGHT OR LEFT, says or doesn’t say, as evident by the last quote I provided.

    “This doesn’t mean EVERY other liberal news source is publishing more stories about Till, but regardless, the NYT established The Narrative and the rest of the mainstream media tends to follow suit.”

    At times the NYT sets the tone, and other times other publications take the lead. No different than conservative radio programming, which dominates the airwaves, publications…and Fox News.

  251. @Rosamond Vincy
    That last line is snotty enough to come from Mark Twain. Newspaper reporters sure have lost some style since those days.

    Indeed.

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