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Guns and blacks, especially blacks marinated in the African-American culture of taking offense, are not a good combination.

Blacks tend to be more “into the moment” than other races. It’s a big part of why they are so mediagenic on average compared to other people. A downside of being into the moment is the moment can last the rest of your life if there are guns around.

Are the Democrats going to run on any issues this year other than hatred for Emmanuel Trumpenstein? Hillary was into gun control last time, which definitely didn’t help her in the Deer Hunter states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. As I wrote in 2016:

The problem for the Democrats that they always run into when they get excited about gun control is that:

– They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

– They will never ever admit that’s what they want to do.

So whenever the Democrats start talking about gun control, they end up going on and on about how the real threat is all those evil redneck white males with their scary rifles.

They just can’t help themselves.

And then they lose the election.

Joe Biden, age 77, isn’t the sharpest nominee in the toolshed, but he’s probably not as stupid as Hillary in 2016.

 
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  1. Appreciate hearing from others, but I’ve noticed media trend on the Internet lately that I don’t think is random. It’s articles that say, “I’m black and I bought a gun for the first time.” After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights. Anyone else notice this?

    • Agree: Jus' Sayin'...
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Yeah. It's a bit like a lot of new White gun buyers I suspect, we'll talk about racists, but we really mean Criminal Blacks. But that's not permissible to say.

    , @Stephen Paul Foster
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    " It’s articles that say, “I’m black and I bought a gun for the first time.” After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights. Anyone else notice this?"

    Robert F. Williams was a black labor organizer in the early 1960s. He got a charter from the NRA to set up a rifle club in Monroe, SC for blacks to arm against the Klan. He followed that up with a book, "Negroes with Guns" which had a big impact on the Black Panthers. Williams was in Cuba for a stint and during the 1962 missile crisis he broadcast over Radio Free Dixie to encourage Black American soliders to revolt against their officers.

    Williams was a guy ahead of his time.

    See: https://www.amazon.com/Toward-Bad-Kept-Turning-Confessional/dp/B08DSYQ2Z3/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=stephen+paul+foster&qid=1597833922&s=books&sr=1-1

    , @JackOH
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    NJ, yes. Maybe in the last two weeks, probably a syndicated opinion piece run in one of my local papers. Don't have a citation. At first glance, I foolishly assumed the writer was arming himself against BLM/antifa rioters. Then, maybe three or four sentences in, the writer made clear he was Black. I actually couldn't finish reading this poorly executed propaganda malarkey, because it so obviously ignored reality.

    I, too, would like to hear from anyone who may have read the same or similar item, and, unlike me, had the stomach to finish it.

    , @anon
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Well, after all the best ideas come from wypipos...

    https://i.ibb.co/k9r3Jp0/NYT-ALT-RIGHT-GUNMEN-COMMENT.jpg

    Top NYT comment: Alt-right gunmen bring violence to Portland 'Floyd vigils'

    If people really cared about black lives, there would be stop-and-frisk in every city in America, and black people would be calling for it the loudest.

    , @Chris Mallory
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights.
     
    These types are usually the "I would rather see my son raped and my wife murdered than be called a racist" conservatives. The next words out of their mouths are usually "The Democrats are the real racists."

    Joe Biden, age 77, isn’t the sharpest nominee in the toolshed, but he’s probably not as stupid as Hillary in 2016.
     
    That is not a bet I would take. Biden has been quite strident about his plans to disarm Americans. Even The Washington Post came out and said his plan would be "terrible for working class firearms owners".

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Dan
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Like this?

    "Black Americans Now Account for the Highest Increase In Gun Sales of Any Demographic"

    https://www.blackenterprise.com/black-americans-now-account-for-the-highest-increase-in-gun-sales-of-any-demographic/

    , @europeasant
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    "After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights"

    That seems to be the standard narrative from MSM.

    , @Jesse
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    It's part of the trucon inability to stand up for White people in and of themselves. You can't defend White people's rights to own guns on the grounds that they're not the ones, as a group, upping the murder rate.

    No, you have to defend the Second Amendment on the grounds that the original gun controllers did so explicitly to disarm Blacks (the horror!) and therefore something something racist.

    The flip side of the lefty anti gun types is that second amendment defenders always try to bring up Blacks when everyone (*everyone*) knows they're defending White rights. They'd be better off acknowledging it and moving on.

    Replies: @Sandmich

    , @Bill Jones
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    If they want to shoot themselves in the nuts it saves Whites having to do it.

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    I have.

    It's part of the "color revolution" for the USA, which our deep state and their globalist elite allies have been cooking up over the last decade or two. They evolved the "color revolution" technique by taking down the social structures and legitimate governments of other unwoke countries, e.g. Hillary Clinton's and Vicky "Fuck the EU" Nuland's Orange revolution in the Ukraine. Now they're ready to apply it here.

    Readying dissident minorities for open, armed rebellion is one neccessary step. Using legitimate but contested election results as an excuse for starting the revolution is another. Expect a full-scale, hot civil war this November.

    The only question is what color should be used to designate our "color revolution". Obviously not White, although Melville's description of that color as "the colorless all-color of atheism" might at first glance suggest it's appropriate. Black is probably the best choice. It is descriptive in every possible sense.

    , @Charlotte
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Me, too. I doubt it is random.

    , @ATBOTL
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Blacks and leftists have been buying guns a lot in recent years. It's a trend that the conservative bubble isn't aware of, they still think right wing whites are the only ones with guns. Leftists and blacks are organizing militias across the country now. Just to be clear, blacks are consciously and openly buying more guns to fight right wing whites, not to protect themselves from black criminals. This is a step in the balkanization of America will eventually lead to Civil War Two.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Sandmich

    , @Mycale
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Yes, of course, the media has been talking up the white supremacist menace for a long time, they've been trying to do it for months now (first with anti-lockdown protestors, then with anti-rioters), but it hasn't really stuck. They'll keep trying though, and it will get ratcheted up intensely if Kamala wins. They do want those new gun owners to point their guns at someone eventually of course.

    Of course, conservatives are going alone with it, because they're dumb. It's part of the based black man phenomenon, where conservatives play identity politics by surrogate - he's a CivNat like all good white Americans, but based black man can have a gun and talk about what's good for his people, the Arab business owner can put up a "minority owned" sign so his business doesn't get set on fire (ignoring the obvious implication that white owned businesses are fair game), Jews can have his ethnostate, and of course the blonde bimbo can wear a MAGA hat and a bikini while she shoots an AR-15.

    , @Gene Su
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    When it comes to blacks and guns, there seems to be two political opinions around:

    1. Blacks should not be allowed to own guns for their own good as they can't be trusted to behave responsibly.
    2. Blacks should be allowed to own guns, whether they have been convicted of a felony or not, so that they kill each other and thin out the herd (culling especially the more violent ones).

    The divide is not so much on liberal vs conservative. It is more statist vs liberatarian. And of course, if you don't live in a black neighborhood, you will not care as to whether blacks are armed or not.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  2. “Blacks tend to be more “into the moment” than other races.”

    Ultra-liberal former mayor of Cincinnati, Jerry Springer, would be horrified if someone accused him of being a racist. But when’s the last time he had a white guest on his show? All these limo libs reveal their understanding that TV’s a visual medium, and nothing’s more histrionic than Shaniqua wrestling the weave off LaSondra’s head.

    Daytime and syndicated TV these days is like taking a trip to Nairobi.

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @Ed Cottingham
    @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    Jerry Springer is such lowdown scum that I don't think about him very often these days. But he really is the bottom.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    Nan, nice post and somewhere here, today, there is a comment that says TV is more sophisticated today. Too funny.

    , @Currahee
    @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    Betcha Springer never misses high holy days at temple.

    , @Wilkey
    @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid


    Daytime and syndicated TV these days is like taking a trip to Nairobi.
     
    Daytime TV is more black than primetime television because there are so many blacks sitting at home without jobs. Has always been the case.

    Another thing I've noticed is the game show "Family Feud," which is now apparently filmed in Atlanta. I only ever catch pieces of it when it's on at the gym, but it seems like almost every episode features a white family versus a black family. It is so consistent that it's hard to imagine it being anything other than intentional.
  3. Guns and blacks, especially blacks marinated in the African-American culture of taking offense, are not a good combination.

    More white racism.

    Any European country that lets Africans have close proximity to complicated stuff like blue steel, well-oiled revolvers or automatics is just pouring temptation all over ’em. Whitey’s fault again.

    Reparations! For centuries of being around guns. Once blame whitey starts it never ends.

    • Replies: @Currahee
    @Franz

    A while back, some prominent black blabbermouth (can't remember who) said that ghetto violence is not the fault of the residents because the guns are manufactured elsewhere.
    Honest, that really happened. Maybe someone can remember who the idiot was.

  4. Well actually the USA has the 4th lowest murder rate in all of the Americas, both North and South … only Canada, Chile and Cuba are lower

    And most of those higher-rate murder countries throughout the Americas, have stricter ‘gun control’ laws, such as Mexico whose murder rate has been 3x the USA. Even countries people think of as ‘peaceful’ such as Costa Rica, has a murder rate 2.5x the USA.

    The moral is that, once a society tips over into a certain level of violence – which seems to be associated with multi-ethnic roots, more than poverty – the guns actually prevent a lot of crime

    Consider Brasil, where Bolsonaro’s combination of tougher, go-ahead-and-shoot-the-bad-guys policing, plus more liberal, easier gun ownership, has been reducing the massive violent crime in Brasil

    It is clearly not the guns. In continental Europe – tho most Americans don’t know it, confused and misled by Britain’s 1990s confiscation of all handguns – there are tens of millions of legally-owned civilian handguns, shotguns and rifles, tho not the ‘carry’ laws like in the USA.

    And although having the 2nd highest continental rate of gun ownership in the world, Europe is the continent with the lowest murder and crime rates … tho that has been climbing along with diversity

    White Americans, despite all their hundreds of millions of guns, have overall a murder rate not far from that of white Europeans

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    @brabantian

    I remember hearing that on another post on this website, Ron had excerpted parts of Robert Trivers autobiography a couple of years ago where he was lamenting the high rate of violent crime in Jamaica and some black radical who posted to one of them was claiming the US was worse and had a sky high rate of gun violence compared to other countries.

    Another poster pointed out that the only reason the US had higher rates than other industrialized countries was due to our black population and larger aggregate population. Once you adjusted for population size and percent black, and looked at only US whites, they had virtually the same rate of homicide as Britain and other "Anglo" countries.

    Replies: @Kyle

    , @Joe Pescadillo
    @brabantian

    If one took the murder statistics for a typical mainly white small city and compared it to the murder statistics of a comparable sized mainly white Canadian city, the statistics probably wouldn't be that different.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @Rahan
    @brabantian


    In continental Europe – tho most Americans don’t know it, confused and misled by Britain’s 1990s confiscation of all handguns – there are tens of millions of legally-owned civilian handguns, shotguns and rifles, tho not the ‘carry’ laws like in the USA.
     
    This is something that tends to completely slip from the minds of most Anglosphericals.
    BTW, in places like Austria or the Czech Republic you can carry a concealed pistol with you, and in practically 100% of the continent you can register as a hunter and get a smoothbore rifle the day after.

    And in theory the smoothbore rifle is only good for taking out vermin, but in practice there's always some AK-47 based badass option such as some new types of the Russian Saiga, and cheap Turkish knockoffs such as the KRAL XP. The Serbs I think also make stuff like that.

    And usually after a set number of years of owning a smoothbore without problems, you then get to progress to dandy Mossbergs and sheit.

    However. Yes in Europe you generally have to:
    a) Provide documentation that's you're neither insane nor a jailbird
    b) Register in a hunting or sporting club (or provide self-defense reasons)
    c) Undergo official training
    d) Accept random checkups on the state of your weapons once a year or along those lines. Although in many places this is done through lazy phonecalls and then people pretending there was a thorough check.

    However, if a citizen is capable of handling the paperwork, they do indeed get rewarded with some semi-AK rifle should they be so inclined. But an "easy impulse buy" it ain't.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Joe Stalin

  5. No, they want to take away long guns from white men, so that if they get uppity they can send them to the gulag. The pretext used is not necessarily a wrongful death from a rifle.

    • Agree: JMcG
  6. My Father did his medical internship in a Southern big city hospital and worked ER shifts. There were few guns around then. People fought and murdered with knives. Same demographics. Only change, with todays trauma medicine, knives may actually be more deadly than guns. But knives are far less likely to injure bystanders. The evolution of the drive-by shooting – not a new phenomenon, but certainly a new style – is definitely not among the high points of our civilization.

  7. Hispanics are no slouches either as far as living in dream time while on drugs and drink. Living in the moment. The greater the indigenous component, the more potential for senseless, violent crimes that are easy to solve and prosecute. Putting them in prison for a decade on up. I am talking within the USA.

    Just look at the murder rates in Mexico and Central America. In their drug gang wars they take delight in killing and torture.

  8. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Appreciate hearing from others, but I’ve noticed media trend on the Internet lately that I don’t think is random. It’s articles that say, “I’m black and I bought a gun for the first time.” After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights. Anyone else notice this?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Stephen Paul Foster, @JackOH, @anon, @Chris Mallory, @Dan, @europeasant, @Jesse, @Bill Jones, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Charlotte, @ATBOTL, @Mycale, @Gene Su

    Yeah. It’s a bit like a lot of new White gun buyers I suspect, we’ll talk about racists, but we really mean Criminal Blacks. But that’s not permissible to say.

  9. Back a couple of decades ago, British criminologist Colin Greenwood observed that you were more likely to be stabbed in Britain,but you were more likely to be stabbed to death in America. So the American underclass is harder working than the British one?

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Redneck farmer

    Bad aim?

    All kidding aside, the British stabbers are probably drunk and lashing out wildly, while the Americans are probably using the knife with literally deadly intent.

    , @Rob McX
    @Redneck farmer

    American stabbing victims are skinnier?

  10. Meanwhile, clips about gun discipline in Mali:

    ‘I do not wish blood to be shed’: Mali president resigns after being detained in military mutiny

    “How does Kalash sound” (Also a guy racking the slide for the audio effect, which is new practice)

    They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

    Is this “really” true?

    They want to take rifles away from evil redneck white males.

    Isn’t that what they REALLY want?

    It’s like colonialism: you “really” want to bring peace and prosperity to the wild, ignorant locals, but what you REALLY want is to give United Fruit Company a secure holding area. Any “oops, sorry, this is not what I really wanted” coming later is a bit disingenuous. Especially if someone kept the meeting minutes.

    • Agree: Kylie
  11. In a real revolutionary situation, it is indeed those deer rifles that will be needed. Handguns are used about as much as kung fu in actual combat.

    • Replies: @Paul Rise
    @onetwothree

    Wind River did a nice example of the superiority of hunting rifles over handguns and automatic weapons.

    https://youtu.be/jc1Z6uYXcv0

    , @Joe Stalin
    @onetwothree

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x021s_Pjnp4

    MLK was done in with a Remington 760 30-06 Gamemaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0ZKvK0fc-w


    https://warisboring.com/the-gun-that-killed-martin-luther-king-jr/

     

    Replies: @JMcG, @prosa123

    , @Don't Look at Me
    @onetwothree

    In a conventional war you are 100% correct. But in an internal civil war without the dividing line we had in the last one, having a side arm allows for an up close assassination.

  12. It’s not their culture its their nature. African-American culture once did the heavy lifting to prevent them being violent. Blacks are in a society of white people who tend to have internal controls on behavior and don’t really need strong societal prohibitions on being vicious. So as the US has become a permissive society relying on innate self control more than culture, black men increasingly fell into the gangsta Big Man lifestyle. They see whites as effete.

    http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2020/08/the-large-society-problem-in-northwest.html

    This mindset shows similarities and differences between Northwest Europeans and East Asians. Both groups adapted to a larger social environment by becoming more empathetic toward non-kin and more susceptible to universal social norms. Northwest Europeans became more individualistic while acquiring stronger internal controls of behavior (affective empathy, guilt proneness). East Asians became more collectivistic while acquiring stronger internal controls (cognitive empathy) and stronger external controls (shaming, family-community surveillance, inculcation of normative behavior).

  13. Sure, but take away the guns and we’ll end up with machetes, though this gem convinced me these are the White and hispanic weapons of choice rather than the more common usage one hears of in news reports from the dark continent.

  14. Anon[384] • Disclaimer says:

    The American murders rate pales into insignificance when compared to that in South Africa, with a population of 59 million (as compared to America’s 330 million) our feral anthropoids kill about (accurate figures are not published by the police here) 60,000 people a year, using mainly knives, bricks and stones and other blunt instruments. A lot of guns does not lead to a high murder rate, a lot of blacks does.

    • Agree: donut
  15. In Philadelphia, Black Police Commissioner Danielle Outlaw is calling for stricter gun laws. Of course, she doesn’t mention that the rising carnage is due to people who look like her. Once again, blame the guns and not the shooters. By the way, how are those tough gun laws working in Chicongo?

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
    @Wake up

    Chicago doesn’t have tough gun laws. Chicago is in Illinois, which passed a CCW law in 2013. The law went into effect in Feb. 2014. Since the issuing of CCLs began in 2014, Chicago’s rates of murder and violent crime have exploded in the hood. The “Chicago gun control meme” is Kuckservative klowning in high gear, placing the blame on non-existent gun control and off of blacks.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar

  16. They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

    Any idea if it’s a great gentrification tool? I mean, how many blacks got convicted with possessing an illegal firearm and thus freed up valuable real estate? Is it more strategic to clear out a bad neighborhood with gun laws or drug laws?

    (This clip has so many worded cliches in such a short amount of time. “The system is broken.”

    • Replies: @Tucker
    @Kronos

    "They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities."

    There was very brief period of time, perhaps 30 years ago, where I kinda, sorta believed that this was the unspoken, but pervasive motivation, behind the Democrats relentless obsession to abolish the Second Amendment. That belief quickly evaporated once I began to focus my full attention on these anti-Gun, anti-Second Amendment, anti-individual rights to a means of self protection promoting leftist politicians.

    These leftists do not give two squirts of rat manure about blacks committing crimes with firearms, primarily because the self-hating White and jewish liberal elites who constitute the 'establishment' of the Democrat Party know they can't risk expressing any open criticism of blacks who misuse firearms for criminal acts because that would draw attention to the fact that America does not have a 'gun' problem; it has a problem with allowing blacks to own guns. Conceding this point - would mean they would be admitting that the White racialist, pro-Second Amendment right has been right all along.

    But, taking this issue a step further - and examining the increasingly vitriolic level of race hatred that the left has begun to spew at White Americans - and White males of Southern heritage being their most fervently hated & relentlessly demonized demographic group - coupled with the recent radical shift and total embrace of totalitarian Communism - the elite leftist establishment view White males as their biggest enemy, because White males with firearms would be who would be most willing to use those firearms to circumvent the left's desire to stage a repeat of the 1917 Bolshevik Communist revolution and takeover of the United States.

    Law abiding White males are who the left wants most to disarm. This was the unspoken motivation behind the left's pathological obsession to get these 'red flag' laws passed. They have been frustrated by the fact that White males are so infuriatingly law abiding - that they are hard pressed to use existing laws to disarm men who commit very few criminal acts. But, the totalitarian left knows that these law abiding White males have political opinions that do not conform to the leftist's agendas - so, they want to be able to use red flag laws to disarm White males who express political opinions that are not 'Politically Correct' and claim that expressing those opinions makes that White male a threat to society.

    The end game has already been exposed by discussions I've seen among these Democrat Communist White race hating politicians. They want to use 'hate speech' laws to trigger these red flag, midnight SWAT Team raids on the homes of Whites who dare to express racially realistic opinions.

    , @JoeyG
    @Kronos

    "Teens" in Baltimore.

  17. Emmanuel?

  18. Hillary was into gun control last time, which definitely didn’t help her in the Deer Hunter states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin… Joe Biden, age 77, isn’t the sharpest nominee in the toolshed, but he’s probably not as stupid as Hillary in 2016.

    Wrong. Biden already said he’s coming for your guns:

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/05/biden-going-to-come-for-guns/

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Dr. X

    During the primaries Biden made a big issue of "coming for your guns."

    , @Thirdtwin
    @Dr. X

    “Biden already said he’s coming for your guns.”

    Bernie doesn’t want to take away our guns, and he also doesn't want to defund the police, which Biden said should be done. Good thing the Democrats locked Bernie out, let Joe steal all Bernie’s radical policies and then let Joe go even farther left.

    , @Russ
    @Dr. X


    Wrong. Biden already said he’s coming for your guns
     
    I believe Biden has spoken of an intent to deputize that silly boy out of Texas - "Beto" - to perform that task.
  19. Tough call, Steve. Joe Biden may not be as stupid as the Hildabeast was in ’16, but he is more demented. He may blurt our something about “this is why we need to take the guns …” too quickly for his handlers to activate the shock collar. You can’t take him anywhere.

    To NJTC, the NRA has been drilling that point in for years. There are plenty of blacks who could use a self-defense gun badly. I don’t know how much training they do though.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Ach, laugh of the day..."to quickly for his handlers to activate the shock collar." Blacks need flack jackets more tha guns.

  20. On the last thread, I posted that the under-35s I know are very hard left. However, one thing I will say is that they don’t drone on about guns. That seems to be more an obsession of older white leftists. In fact, a lot of Antifa are rather pro-gun in their way.

    We have to hope Biden goes after guns. Somebody should bait him. If the gun issue were taken away, Republicans would be in a bad spot. I don’t think Democrats would ever reverse themselves, but if they just stop talking about it, that would be bad for team elephant. In the past, they have used it to help turn out the base, but now Orange Man Bad is all they need for voter turnout.

  21. That’s the only thing Dullberg got right; take guns away from ‘duh-versities’.

  22. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Appreciate hearing from others, but I’ve noticed media trend on the Internet lately that I don’t think is random. It’s articles that say, “I’m black and I bought a gun for the first time.” After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights. Anyone else notice this?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Stephen Paul Foster, @JackOH, @anon, @Chris Mallory, @Dan, @europeasant, @Jesse, @Bill Jones, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Charlotte, @ATBOTL, @Mycale, @Gene Su

    ” It’s articles that say, “I’m black and I bought a gun for the first time.” After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights. Anyone else notice this?”

    Robert F. Williams was a black labor organizer in the early 1960s. He got a charter from the NRA to set up a rifle club in Monroe, SC for blacks to arm against the Klan. He followed that up with a book, “Negroes with Guns” which had a big impact on the Black Panthers. Williams was in Cuba for a stint and during the 1962 missile crisis he broadcast over Radio Free Dixie to encourage Black American soliders to revolt against their officers.

    Williams was a guy ahead of his time.

    See: https://www.amazon.com/Toward-Bad-Kept-Turning-Confessional/dp/B08DSYQ2Z3/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=stephen+paul+foster&qid=1597833922&s=books&sr=1-1

  23. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Appreciate hearing from others, but I’ve noticed media trend on the Internet lately that I don’t think is random. It’s articles that say, “I’m black and I bought a gun for the first time.” After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights. Anyone else notice this?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Stephen Paul Foster, @JackOH, @anon, @Chris Mallory, @Dan, @europeasant, @Jesse, @Bill Jones, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Charlotte, @ATBOTL, @Mycale, @Gene Su

    NJ, yes. Maybe in the last two weeks, probably a syndicated opinion piece run in one of my local papers. Don’t have a citation. At first glance, I foolishly assumed the writer was arming himself against BLM/antifa rioters. Then, maybe three or four sentences in, the writer made clear he was Black. I actually couldn’t finish reading this poorly executed propaganda malarkey, because it so obviously ignored reality.

    I, too, would like to hear from anyone who may have read the same or similar item, and, unlike me, had the stomach to finish it.

  24. Central American countries have few Blacks and even fewer guns in civilian hands, and their murder rates are astronomical, as is Mexico’s. USA murder rate in the 50’s was maybe 1000 people a year, very little of it Black on Black crime.

    There is no evidence that Blacks + guns automatically equals crime, but a lot of evidence illegitimacy and drugs automatically equal crime.

    And even more evidence that without a functioning legal presence to fairly, but ruthlessly, enforce laws, you can pretty much count on a high crime rate.

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
    @theMann

    Blacks are criminal everywhere. In the US, in the UK (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/oct/11/black-prison-population-increase-england),
    in the Caribbean, in Africa. I used to go on about muh welfare, muh black family and so on. The illegitimacy and drugs are symptoms, not causes, of black behavior.

    Replies: @Alice in Wonderland

  25. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Appreciate hearing from others, but I’ve noticed media trend on the Internet lately that I don’t think is random. It’s articles that say, “I’m black and I bought a gun for the first time.” After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights. Anyone else notice this?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Stephen Paul Foster, @JackOH, @anon, @Chris Mallory, @Dan, @europeasant, @Jesse, @Bill Jones, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Charlotte, @ATBOTL, @Mycale, @Gene Su

    Well, after all the best ideas come from wypipos…

    Top NYT comment: Alt-right gunmen bring violence to Portland ‘Floyd vigils’

    If people really cared about black lives, there would be stop-and-frisk in every city in America, and black people would be calling for it the loudest.

  26. My personal favorite is how Chicago likes to blame looser Indiana gun laws for the fondness of black city residents for mowing down those that have offended them, and anyone else standing nearby. Somehow the fact that Chicagoans of other varieties apparently do not use the same strategy to settle disputes never gets mentioned.

    • LOL: Bumpkin
    • Replies: @Escher
    @Arclight

    Isn’t Kamala Harris’ mom from Indiana?

    , @flyingtiger
    @Arclight

    Blacks are too terrified to go to white areas like Indiana to get firearms. That's if they could figure out how to get there. The mob used to run guns to the blacks, but I am not sure if they are still doing that.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @ATBOTL

    , @Brutusale
    @Arclight

    Same with the Massachusetts Democrats blaming the urban gun violence on New Hampshire. Funny how they seldom blame Vermont, which has gun laws that are among the loosest in the country.

    Replies: @Dr. X

  27. Don’t overestimate how much knowledge and logical thinking goes into their political beliefs. Going after “evil redneck white males” isn’t displacement. It’s an end in itself.

    White males proles are The Bad Guys. Air should be illegal if they breathe it. Gun-grabbers tend to hate other white-prole class markers too, usually on similar grounds (e.g. big pickup trucks kill pedestrians and destroy the environment). “Gun violence” is just a particularly easy blood libel to demonize them.

    We struggle to figure out the logical connection, because we know that “gun violence” is primarily a black urban underclass thing. But most gun-grabbers do not know this. Whether it’s true or not doesn’t even arise. Orwell’s “protective stupidity” kicks in. It sounds racist! and is therefore unthinkable.

    They might, at best, contrive a way to blame it on The Bad Guys (e.g. Chicago’s gun crime is really Indiana’s fault). The explanation it doesn’t have to make sense or fit all the available facts. It just has to sound good enough, at a very superficial level, to silence any doubts and preserve the crimestop.

    Even if they did acknowledge black urban underclass gun crime, it’s not obvious they’d genuinely care about it enough to want to stop it. They’ll use it to pad the “gun violence” numbers, but so long as black crime stays out of their neighborhoods and doesn’t affect them, meh.

  28. @Kronos

    They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.
     
    Any idea if it’s a great gentrification tool? I mean, how many blacks got convicted with possessing an illegal firearm and thus freed up valuable real estate? Is it more strategic to clear out a bad neighborhood with gun laws or drug laws?

    https://youtu.be/pdtGuAqKeuU

    (This clip has so many worded cliches in such a short amount of time. “The system is broken.”

    Replies: @Tucker, @JoeyG

    “They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.”

    There was very brief period of time, perhaps 30 years ago, where I kinda, sorta believed that this was the unspoken, but pervasive motivation, behind the Democrats relentless obsession to abolish the Second Amendment. That belief quickly evaporated once I began to focus my full attention on these anti-Gun, anti-Second Amendment, anti-individual rights to a means of self protection promoting leftist politicians.

    These leftists do not give two squirts of rat manure about blacks committing crimes with firearms, primarily because the self-hating White and jewish liberal elites who constitute the ‘establishment’ of the Democrat Party know they can’t risk expressing any open criticism of blacks who misuse firearms for criminal acts because that would draw attention to the fact that America does not have a ‘gun’ problem; it has a problem with allowing blacks to own guns. Conceding this point – would mean they would be admitting that the White racialist, pro-Second Amendment right has been right all along.

    But, taking this issue a step further – and examining the increasingly vitriolic level of race hatred that the left has begun to spew at White Americans – and White males of Southern heritage being their most fervently hated & relentlessly demonized demographic group – coupled with the recent radical shift and total embrace of totalitarian Communism – the elite leftist establishment view White males as their biggest enemy, because White males with firearms would be who would be most willing to use those firearms to circumvent the left’s desire to stage a repeat of the 1917 Bolshevik Communist revolution and takeover of the United States.

    Law abiding White males are who the left wants most to disarm. This was the unspoken motivation behind the left’s pathological obsession to get these ‘red flag’ laws passed. They have been frustrated by the fact that White males are so infuriatingly law abiding – that they are hard pressed to use existing laws to disarm men who commit very few criminal acts. But, the totalitarian left knows that these law abiding White males have political opinions that do not conform to the leftist’s agendas – so, they want to be able to use red flag laws to disarm White males who express political opinions that are not ‘Politically Correct’ and claim that expressing those opinions makes that White male a threat to society.

    The end game has already been exposed by discussions I’ve seen among these Democrat Communist White race hating politicians. They want to use ‘hate speech’ laws to trigger these red flag, midnight SWAT Team raids on the homes of Whites who dare to express racially realistic opinions.

  29. America doesn’t really have a high murder rate. The murder rate is 4.9 per 100,000. That’s in the same range as Western European countries. Eastern European countries, like Russia and Ukraine, have higher rates:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    Vietnam… 1.51
    Kyrgyzstan… 2.19
    Rwanda… 2.52
    Angola… 4.85
    USA… 4.96
    Mongolia… 6.19
    Ukraine… 6.20
    Russia… 8.21
    Saint Pierre et Miquelon (the most racially European islands on planet Earth)… 15.91

    ^ That ranking does not bode well for white nationalism. (Keep in mind that Ukraine, Russia, the USA and Saint Pierre are all much, much older and more geriatric than those Asian and African countries on that list.)

    And, in fact, the murder rate in America today is about half of what it was in 1979. In 1980, 23,000 people were murdered, when the population was 226 million. In 2019, just 16,000 people were murdered. The population that year, not including millions of illegals, was 328 million. Boomers and Gen X were the actual terrorists.. Not black people.

    During this time period, the black population remained stable, healthy, youthful and vibrant, the brown population increased sharply, and whites aged, stagnated, mildewed, and are now about to start shrinking, due to the infertility of their womenfolk.

    In the USA, the suicide rate significantly exceeds the murder rate:

    In 2018, there were 48,344 recorded suicides, up from 42,773 in 2014, according to the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS). On average, adjusted for age, the annual U.S. suicide rate increased 24% between 1999 and 2014, from 10.5 to 13.0 suicides per 100,000 people, the highest rate recorded in 28 years.

    Although neither could be called crises, over 40,000 suicides vs 16,000 murders begs the question: why is the alt-right incessantly complaining about the black murder rate of this country? It’s a losing position that has never been met with even the faintest hope of political or social success. In my opinion, the alt-right fails to tackle the suicide rate because they know that the US suicide rate boils down primarily to firearms and toxic white culture, which means the Left was right. Gun ownership, alcohol and individualism (the last tenets of white “culture” to survive in to the 21st century) really are more dangerous to your health than negroes, who most white people do not live in close proximity to.

    So we’re kind of in this awkward situation where we’re stuck between taking the red pill, and actually admitting that there is no murder problem, or staying on the blue pill and continuing to complain about the non-existent black-on-white murder phenomenon, which is a losing position that has accomplshed nothing despite 30 years of complaining about it online.

    Honesty, it has been said, is the best policy. My way of thinking says it’s time to admit that we don’t care about dead people we neved met, and so we should stop incessantly complaining about these non-issues online, in the attempt to build political momentum to get black people deported or exterminated from North America (an objective that can never be accomplished by political means).

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @HA
    @JohnPlywood

    "Saint Pierre et Miquelon (the most racially European islands on planet Earth)… 15.91"

    And smuggling hotspot for at least a century -- funny how you overlooked that key plot element:

    This Tiny French Archipelago Became America’s Alcohol Warehouse During Prohibition


    Situated off the South coast of Newfoundland, St. Pierre-Miquelon, being a French possession, offers unusual opportunities for the smuggler to ply his illicit trade...Therefore St. Pierre is to-day the greatest smuggling centre in the world...

    In all these cases -- and this goes for the south side of Chicago, too -- you might want to at least try to factor out turf-wars by traffickers and other gangsters if you want a fair comparison of how murder-prone a given population is.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @utu

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @JohnPlywood

    "And, in fact, the murder rate in America today is about half of what it was in 1979."

    Because judges started sending criminals to prison for long periods. It's called incapacitation. You can't murder so easily in jail, although they do try.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @JohnPlywood



    That ranking does not bode well for white nationalism

     

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-boJkL7jJclM/Tw3_gtQOAFI/AAAAAAAAIRY/t-Bx4Ecd6Vo/s1600/Chartsbin_homicide_per_100.000.png

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

  30. Guns and blacks are not a good combination.

    Is there a black population that suffers gun restrictions and thus has a lower murder rate?

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Jails and Prisons? They typically have strict gun control measures.

    https://youtu.be/cg5_dNyqv90

    (For the record, they’re going through drug withdrawals and searching for a fix.)

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    , @CJ
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Is there a black population that suffers gun restrictions and thus has a lower murder rate?

    I would say Cuba, with the caveat that the statistics of communist countries aren't worth the low-grade paper they're printed on.

  31. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Appreciate hearing from others, but I’ve noticed media trend on the Internet lately that I don’t think is random. It’s articles that say, “I’m black and I bought a gun for the first time.” After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights. Anyone else notice this?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Stephen Paul Foster, @JackOH, @anon, @Chris Mallory, @Dan, @europeasant, @Jesse, @Bill Jones, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Charlotte, @ATBOTL, @Mycale, @Gene Su

    After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights.

    These types are usually the “I would rather see my son raped and my wife murdered than be called a racist” conservatives. The next words out of their mouths are usually “The Democrats are the real racists.”

    Joe Biden, age 77, isn’t the sharpest nominee in the toolshed, but he’s probably not as stupid as Hillary in 2016.

    That is not a bet I would take. Biden has been quite strident about his plans to disarm Americans. Even The Washington Post came out and said his plan would be “terrible for working class firearms owners”.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Chris Mallory


    That is not a bet I would take. Biden has been quite strident about his plans to disarm Americans.
     
    Who would oppose disarming African-Amerians? Many states did in the 19th century, and much of post-Fourteenth Amendment gun law is slyly written to do so.

    If you believe blacks have a right to self-defense, then you disagree with Justice Taney. But he thought they didn't have any right to be here at all, i.e., they were by definition illegal aliens.

    Even The Washington Post came out and said his plan would be “terrible for working class firearms owners”.
     
    Just about all "working class" in the District, firearms owners or otherwise, are black.

    Dick Heller was very unusual, and the last choice for the lawyers taking his case before the Supreme Court. The other appellants were black, mostly female, and thus more optically desirable. But they didn't have "standing", as they were not turned down for permit applications. They hadn't bothered to apply at all. Why bother?
  32. They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

    Actually, Dems want to take guns away from every American except for the members of the elites security details.

    Rosie O ‘Donnell comes to mind here.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  33. I’ve rummaged through some crime statistics for England and Wales and as far as I can see homicide rates in metropolitan zones there do not differ much from those in non-metropolitan zone. If I’m not mistaken, the homicide rate for non-metropolitan counties in the U.S. is about 2.5 per 100,000 (lower in New England and the Rustbelt). I think it’s roughly half that in England and Wales in non-metropolitan zones and in line with what you might see in Eastern Europe in comparable areas. Might have to do with guns or it might have to do with culture.

    Most of the difference in homicide rates between the U.S. and European countries is to be found in the slums. About 10% of our population lives in urban segments where the homicide rate exceeds 30 per 100,000. Reducing it to about 12 per 100,000 is a feasible social project. About 1/3 of the homicides which occur in this country (more in the future) are the low hanging fruit that can be suppressed with more vigorous policing.

    NB, in the U.S. up until recently, you’ve been less likely to be burgled and far less likely to have your car stolen than in England and Wales. The distinction between the two was in the realm of violent crime, and the distinction is much more pronounced for homicide than it is for robbery or (IIRC) sexual assaults.

    • Agree: JohnPlywood
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    If I’m not mistaken, the homicide rate for non-metropolitan counties in the U.S. is about 2.5 per 100,000 (lower in New England and the Rustbelt).
     
    Yankees, krauts, and squareheads.

    homicide rates in metropolitan zones [in England and Wales] do not differ much from those in non-metropolitan zone.
     
    It may be that urban crime is balanced by a large percentage of immigrants who are less violent than the natives, e.g., Poles and Hindus. Remember, too, that the rural proportion of the English (and Canadian and Australian, for that matter) population is quite a bit sm aller than in the US.

    What I'd like to see is crime statistics broken down by congressional district. See how they correlate with not only party, but votes on individual issues. E.g., with NRA and NumbersUSA grades.

    Oh, and pro-life votes. Because few things are more anti-life than murder.

    Replies: @Altai, @Templar

  34. … blacks marinated in the African-American culture of taking offense, are not a good combination.

    I wonder if that culture hasn’t always been there. I’ve always heard there were a lot of murders and violence in the Black community that went unrecorded back in the old days.

    But then, the Really Smart people said it was time to push desegregation, and so now this violence gets foisted on the rest of us. How many rapes, murders and molestations did the Clever Clique give us?

    But they score awfully high on standardized tests, so I guess that makes it okay.

  35. @Arclight
    My personal favorite is how Chicago likes to blame looser Indiana gun laws for the fondness of black city residents for mowing down those that have offended them, and anyone else standing nearby. Somehow the fact that Chicagoans of other varieties apparently do not use the same strategy to settle disputes never gets mentioned.

    Replies: @Escher, @flyingtiger, @Brutusale

    Isn’t Kamala Harris’ mom from Indiana?

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
  36. They just can’t help themselves.

    Democrats don’t care about crime control and if they had their druthers would do not a damn thing. You’re learning that right now. Crime control means punishing their clientele rather than plying them with bon bons.

    For people like BO, sticking the bill for urban crime with your social enemies is the whole point of the gun control discourse. Acknowledging that the slum population would benefit from good incentives and vigorous aversives is something they don’t do. The only acceptable arguments about social policy are those that justify hiring more social workers and school administrators.

    To be charitable, lets posit Nelson Shields and Sarah Brady actually did care about crime control. Both were tools. Read their personal accounts of why they were doing what they were doing and you see (1) an intelligent man who blamed inanimate objects and Harlon Carter because that was socially acceptable and blaming the white-hating hoodlum who murdered his son at random was not; and (2) a schoolmarm pest whose response to a friend of hers being careless with his weaponry was not to ream out the man but to propose other people go through a lot of wheel-spinning to assuage her anxieties.

  37. It’s kind of like how the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world. We have enough money to build lots of prisons and a significant criminal underclass.

    Norway has lots of money to build prisons, but not much of a criminal class (so far), while the Central African Republic doesn’t have any money to lock up its many criminals.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Milo Minderbinder

    The low budget way to deal with criminals in a place like Central African Republic ought to be obvious.

  38. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile NYC blacks made a spectacular gain yesterday against Chicago’s black body count for the week. Chicago better get their game up by the end of tonight if they don’t want to get whooped. They need to get those black bodies to piling, or NYC’s going to make them look like South Dakota!

    https://nypost.com/2020/08/18/seven-men-shot-one-fatally-in-three-hour-span-across-nyc/

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Anonymous

    Those people probably tweeted something demeaning about BLM or Floyd in the weeks before they took a bullet, so it's justified.

  39. The problem for the Democrats that they always run into when they get excited about gun control is that:

    – They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

    – They will never ever admit that’s what they want to do.

    Do they REALLY want to take guns from the gangstas?

    I think you give them credit for a level of realism and insight that they simply can’t get to. It’s the Great Wall of Cognitive Dissonance that they will never be able to breach.

    Why?

    It would require them to think, say, and then believe: “It’s a really bad idea to have handguns in the hands of urban black American youth who are (a) completely in the thrall of gang/rap/yo’ mama/anti-white/anti-school culture and (b) have a lethal combination of low IQ and low impulse control.”

    It’s about as likely as me playing 2nd base for the Philadelphia Phillies.

  40. Urban blacks seem to have no problem in attaining ammunition. Out here in the exurbs we do. Why is that? Now with the left’s social worker – anger management strategy for urban crime, seems like the Democrats actually want the black murder rate to go unabated.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Old and Grumpy

    Urban blacks seem to have no problem in attaining ammunition. Out here in the exurbs we do. Why is that?

    White gun owners expend a lot of ammunition in target practice. Urban blacks get in all their target practice on each other. Someone who goes to a range may shoot up two or three 50-round boxes of ammo in one session. That could rack up quite a body count in the inner city, even with poor marksmanship.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  41. Hate Crime Alert:

    Guns may be dangerous in the wrong hands but so is your phone, especially if you don’t type very accurately or bother to proofread …

    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/charlotte-hornets-suspend-radio-announcer-n-word-during-nuggets-jazz-game

    Be warned that r is right next to t on the keyboard, and u is right next to i.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @Known Fact

    “Nugget” is a synonym of “arsehole” in western Scotland, and perhaps elsewhere.

  42. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Appreciate hearing from others, but I’ve noticed media trend on the Internet lately that I don’t think is random. It’s articles that say, “I’m black and I bought a gun for the first time.” After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights. Anyone else notice this?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Stephen Paul Foster, @JackOH, @anon, @Chris Mallory, @Dan, @europeasant, @Jesse, @Bill Jones, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Charlotte, @ATBOTL, @Mycale, @Gene Su

    Like this?

    “Black Americans Now Account for the Highest Increase In Gun Sales of Any Demographic”

    https://www.blackenterprise.com/black-americans-now-account-for-the-highest-increase-in-gun-sales-of-any-demographic/

  43. While the D’s emphasis on whites over blacks in gun control arguments is partially like this for these reasons, there is also the communist agenda of disarming the white populace of America so that more top-down controls can be instituted. This goes back to other lefty-push cultural ideas, such as the old war on the KKK.

    During the 1950s-80s there was a huge cultural push against the KKK, and prodding the FBI into going after the group and disintegrating it. Now, part of this was Catholics, Jews, blacks using their new found national power and alliance to attack the ostensibly anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish, and anti-black organization, and part of it was the push against segregation, but there was a much more sinister and secret aspect.

    The Klan was a strongly anti-Communist organization with political power who often harassed commies and ferreted out or accused people communist agents when they could. The Commies sought to disrupt anti-Communist organizations and make them unpalatable. “Racism” became the way to do it.

    This was a period where even comic books pushed storylines against the Klan; Superman had a famous run fighting them. The cultural Left went out to make them unpalatable.

    During this period, other anti-communist organizations were also targeted. This was also the period of the destruction of the John Birch Society by sidelining it and having Buckley officially exclude it from “acceptable” conservatism. Dynamic silence.

  44. OT: Monopoly Power Lies Behind Worst Trends in U.S., Fed Study Says

    https://www.bloombergquint.com/global-economics/monopoly-power-lies-behind-worst-trends-in-u-s-fed-study-says

    Anxious iSteve readers can rest assured that a thorough Ctrl-F for either ‘immi’ or ‘visa’ within the underlying paper, signed by well-respected Fed Reserve officers, comfortably returns zero results.

  45. Anon[188] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Crybaby Indian woman’s detailed story of failed attempt to get a US green cards for her and her husband over the course of 18 years.

    For more than a decade in Pittsburgh, we lived the U.S. immigration nightmare. The pandemic sealed our move to Canada.

    https://www.publicsource.org/pittsburgh-immigration-impossible-moved-america-canada/

    Weirdly, she doesn’t explain what the actual problem was (per-country quotas? But there has to be more to the story).

    Anyway, they’re in Canada now as permanent residents. They actually moved to Canada! Hollywood anti-Trumpers take note.

  46. The problem for the Democrats that they always run into when they get excited about gun control is that:

    – They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

    – They will never ever admit that’s what they want to do.

    Steve, you are about 30 years behind the times. This was true for Joe and a few other Democrats who have long since left power. The people rising to power in the party today without question want to disarm rural and suburban whites. Some want to take handguns away from urban blacks, but many of the new breed would consider that racism and would only lightly enforce extreme gun controls laws against urban blacks.

  47. 1. Eliminate guns by outlaweing them

    2. Start reparations so that People of Color can share some of the white wealth gained through perfidy

    3. revamp the history curriculum so that REAL history is taught and not whitewashed eurocentric evil

    4. DO NOT VOTE Republican. to vote republican is to vote for voter suppression, support for the white supremacist russia, racism, sexism, homophobia and evil

    5. celebrate diversity

    6. stop restricting immigration

  48. Well, as a black man…

    I have to ask…

    Who owns the hollywood and music media? Who owns the media companies that create the culture that indoctrinates black youth?

    Why do democrats constantly put people who destroy cities, education and critcal thinking in power?

    Which “race” is responsible for:

    The holocaust
    Nuclear War
    World War 1 and 2
    Slavery
    Private Central Banking Cartels
    The pedophile rings in hollywood and around world
    Debt Slavery
    The Vietnam War
    The Korean War
    The CIA funded war against drugs
    The Mexican secret service in bed with drug cartels
    MK Ultra
    Pedogates (All of them)
    The dumbing down of current youth (including blacks)
    Transgender movement
    The gun trade business
    The drug business
    Planned Parent Hood
    The leaders of the Aethist movement
    The leaders of the rothchild
    The leaders of bilderberg
    The creation and control of the porn industry
    Pizzagate
    The deep state
    CIA Control of the golden triangle
    Contra
    Prism
    FBI informants getting betrayed
    Radical Feminism
    Radical Alphabet groups

    Which RACE is responsible for all of this? Any guesses? Not blacks.

    I could say something stupid like:

    Why is does the world have a huge murder rate? White people and guns +endless greed.

    But, I would have slap myself. Why? Melanine doesn’t control a person’s ethics. Your skin color doesn’t make you evil.

    The problem is that GOOD people are divided intentionally and posts like yours only fan the flames.

    • LOL: anonymous1963
    • Replies: @No Recent Commenting History
    @A black guy

    Well, as a black man duck…


    https://images.techhive.com/images/article/2015/04/black-duck-100577734-primary.idge.jpg

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @A black guy


    Which “race” is responsible for:
     
    You left out same-sex "marriage".

    The holocaust
    Nuclear War
     
    When I was a kid, nuclear war was the holocaust.

    Slavery
     
    Slavery implies diversity. We're against that. So relax.

    Why do democrats constantly put people who destroy cities, education and critcal thinking in power?
     
    For the answer, simply repeat the last word.
  49. If an honest sociologist wanted to compare violent tendencies between the US and the UK without the influence of guns, the scientist would have to find a way to measure violent tendencies. The Stanford prison experiment and the Milgram electric shock experiment offer a clue, but to measure negroid violent tendencies, the subjects would be allowed to strike the victim. This could be ethical if the “victim” were to be a dummy covered by a sack.

    Other relevant traits include escalation speed and sensitivity to insults.

  50. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Appreciate hearing from others, but I’ve noticed media trend on the Internet lately that I don’t think is random. It’s articles that say, “I’m black and I bought a gun for the first time.” After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights. Anyone else notice this?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Stephen Paul Foster, @JackOH, @anon, @Chris Mallory, @Dan, @europeasant, @Jesse, @Bill Jones, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Charlotte, @ATBOTL, @Mycale, @Gene Su

    “After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights”

    That seems to be the standard narrative from MSM.

  51. Is this being reported anywhere?

    https://dennismichaellynch.com/white-teen-shot-and-killed-by-black-man-23-at-napa-co-safeway-media-is-silent/

    https://www.ktvu.com/news/mother-mourns-son-shot-and-killed-at-napa-co-safeway-suspect-arrested-but-no-motive

    “AMERICAN CANYON, Calif. – The mother of a Safeway employee shot and killed in American Canyon said Monday that she is struggling to cope with the sudden loss of her only son.

    “My son was a piece of me, a piece that has gone,” Tracy Garza of Fairfield said of 18-year-old Nathan Garza.

    The Napa County Sheriff’s Office on Monday announced the arrest of a suspect in connection with Garza’s shooting death a day earlier outside of a Safeway supermarket where he worked.

    Christopher “Roly” Young, 23 years old, from Martinez, was booked on suspicion of murder.”

  52. This is one of those things that are so obvious that you’re not allowed to say it.

    But what can you do about it, really? Take away the guns only from blacks?

    And when they start using knives or acid like in England?

    A possible solution would be to create very strict psychological gun tests that measure intelligence and low impulse, perhaps something like a disguised SAT test for gun ownership (i.e. something that white and asian people could pass, but not most blacks or low-IQ Mexicans).

    But of course, many blacks and browns don’t have legally purchased guns, so I am not sure if even that would solve anything.

  53. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Appreciate hearing from others, but I’ve noticed media trend on the Internet lately that I don’t think is random. It’s articles that say, “I’m black and I bought a gun for the first time.” After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights. Anyone else notice this?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Stephen Paul Foster, @JackOH, @anon, @Chris Mallory, @Dan, @europeasant, @Jesse, @Bill Jones, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Charlotte, @ATBOTL, @Mycale, @Gene Su

    It’s part of the trucon inability to stand up for White people in and of themselves. You can’t defend White people’s rights to own guns on the grounds that they’re not the ones, as a group, upping the murder rate.

    No, you have to defend the Second Amendment on the grounds that the original gun controllers did so explicitly to disarm Blacks (the horror!) and therefore something something racist.

    The flip side of the lefty anti gun types is that second amendment defenders always try to bring up Blacks when everyone (*everyone*) knows they’re defending White rights. They’d be better off acknowledging it and moving on.

    • Replies: @Sandmich
    @Jesse

    The other thing I always see is how guns cannot be taken away because that's what Hitler did so that he could gas the Jews

  54. Their penchant for going after rednecks’ rifles, is precisely because that’s who they want to disarm.

    They display their lack of concern over the handgun violence in cities quite frequently.

  55. Looks like Biden is winning the moderates. Even Fox News is not very critical of him. I think the election is about which candidate can best control BLM and Antifa. The moderates are going super majority Biden on that issue.

  56. Doesn’t Mexico have tough gun laws? We should just follow their lead.

  57. Well, this suggests two possible courses of action: (1) remove the blacks or (2) remove the guns.
    If you come for my guns, I’m going to point the sharp end at you and send you away. So will just about everyone I know. If you come for my blacks, I’m going to offer you twice as many.

    • LOL: Dan Hayes, By-tor
  58. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Appreciate hearing from others, but I’ve noticed media trend on the Internet lately that I don’t think is random. It’s articles that say, “I’m black and I bought a gun for the first time.” After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights. Anyone else notice this?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Stephen Paul Foster, @JackOH, @anon, @Chris Mallory, @Dan, @europeasant, @Jesse, @Bill Jones, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Charlotte, @ATBOTL, @Mycale, @Gene Su

    If they want to shoot themselves in the nuts it saves Whites having to do it.

  59. @Arclight
    My personal favorite is how Chicago likes to blame looser Indiana gun laws for the fondness of black city residents for mowing down those that have offended them, and anyone else standing nearby. Somehow the fact that Chicagoans of other varieties apparently do not use the same strategy to settle disputes never gets mentioned.

    Replies: @Escher, @flyingtiger, @Brutusale

    Blacks are too terrified to go to white areas like Indiana to get firearms. That’s if they could figure out how to get there. The mob used to run guns to the blacks, but I am not sure if they are still doing that.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @flyingtiger

    "White areas like Indiana?" They're getting the guns right in crime-infested Gary, not out in some cornfield

    , @ATBOTL
    @flyingtiger


    Blacks are too terrified to go to white areas like Indiana to get firearms. That’s if they could figure out how to get there. The mob used to run guns to the blacks, but I am not sure if they are still doing that.
     
    What a clueless old boomer comment. Blacks are not scared to go anywhere now. Indianapolis is a black city. All of the guns in the ghetto are purchased in red states by black straw buyers. There is no "mob" anymore and blacks have their own totally independent criminal networks. I notice many of the comments here are full of outdated assumptions. Older white conservatives are not aware of how things have changed. The guy who said that under 40 aged leftists don't care about gun control is right. They all think the left needs guns and militias to fight right wing whites. Older white conservatives are whistling past the graveyard, certain that their opponents are incompetent, even as their opponents take control of the streets with rioting mobs backed by armed militias -- and the police.

    We are in the early stages of Civil War Two now.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  60. Most of the focus of gun control seems to be on white people guns, as you’ve pointed out, Steve. Of course, NY State actually has very strict laws on handguns, making it near-impossible to carry anywhere, to own in NYC, and possess anywhere else. Whites in the suburbs follow these rules, generally.

    The great crime drop occurred because Nyc actually enforced its gun laws under Bloomberg, cracking down on “illegal” (we should call them undocumented, no?) guns in the city. Since DeBlasio abandoned stop, question, and frisk, and with the recent abandonment of ANY enforcement, we have removed the shackles and will soon out-do Chicago for total murders in the USA.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @TomSchmidt

    Open borders with places without laws on the sale of handguns isn't working out for NYC.

    , @Kronos
    @TomSchmidt

    Yep, that seems correct.

    https://youtu.be/ukWEsIo8hH4

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    , @Kronos
    @TomSchmidt

    Yep, that seems correct.

    https://youtu.be/ukWEsIo8hH4

  61. NY state allows residents to buy rifles and shotguns without a license, just the background check. There’s been a boom outside the city. I don’t think any of those new converts are going to look kindly on gun restrictions.

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
    @TomSchmidt

    On Mad Men, Pete Campbell went to Macy's to trade in an unwanted wedding gift (a classic midcentury chip n dip) for a rifle.

    http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/4/4c/Mad107-rifle1.jpg/400px-Mad107-rifle1.jpg

    In the episode where they mutinied and left to start their own firm, we see Pete shouldering his rifle as they leave the office for the last time.

    Pete's a rather violent man -- at least 3 fistfights, one in a staff meeting -- but never uses the rifle.

    Betty, on the other hand, an Ossinging housewife, get pissed off at a neighbor and calmly shoots his pigeons (best episode ending ever!)

    https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,pg_1,q_80,w_800/18ms2qan8njz0jpg.jpg

    Replies: @syonredux

  62. @Kronos

    They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.
     
    Any idea if it’s a great gentrification tool? I mean, how many blacks got convicted with possessing an illegal firearm and thus freed up valuable real estate? Is it more strategic to clear out a bad neighborhood with gun laws or drug laws?

    https://youtu.be/pdtGuAqKeuU

    (This clip has so many worded cliches in such a short amount of time. “The system is broken.”

    Replies: @Tucker, @JoeyG

    “Teens” in Baltimore.

  63. Update on the Austin shooting:

    https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/31/daniel-perry-austin-protest-garrett-foster/

    This is what you get when all these young journalist–and the young Brit expert they consult–is Charlottesville and not Reginald Denny.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @Percy Gryce

    I note that the article doesn't mention Foster's own video-taped boasts about his gun during those very protests.

    , @Muggles
    @Percy Gryce

    Your "Texas Tribune" article cited is dated July 30. Hardly an update.

    The "Texas Tribune" is an online only lib/Dem/SJW/Prog project whose funding has yet to be analyzed as far as I can tell. It is often cited by the corrupt Houston Chronicle and other left media outlets. I.e. not to be trusted.

    I was just discussing this Austin incident with a friend. The real update is that as of now, no real update has been provided. This may be before a Travis County Grand Jury or the local (Dem) DA.

    I am hopeful that the shooter will be absolved. You point a loaded rifle at someone in a car and presumably you are being menaced or threatened. Doesn't matter what your prior "tweets" said.

    This incident was a tragedy since the fool with the AR-15 in the middle of the street, blocking traffic in an illegal "protest", pointed that at the car's driver. He was also armed. This is Texas, so drivers may be armed. For good reason.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @El Dato
    @Percy Gryce

    That's about 20 days ago.


    “The simple fact is that Sgt. Perry reasonably perceived a threat to his life when, as has now been confirmed by independent witnesses, Mr. Foster raised his assault rifle toward Sgt. Perry who was sitting in his car,” Broden said in his release.

     

    I was first said that Mr. Foster wheeled his paraplegic fiancée through the protesting mob (not a good idea) while carrying an AR15 (not a good idea, again).

    But Perry’s tweets added to the concerns of those who already were skeptical that he was acting in self-defense.
     
    Holy shit Batman. He sent reactionary Tweets. That changes EVERYTHING.

    Capochiano and other witnesses have said Perry seemed to drive threateningly into the crowd before shots were fired, and his actions seemed intentional.
     
    How do you drive "threateningly albeit unintentionnally into the crowd" is left as an exercise for the reader.
  64. @Arclight
    My personal favorite is how Chicago likes to blame looser Indiana gun laws for the fondness of black city residents for mowing down those that have offended them, and anyone else standing nearby. Somehow the fact that Chicagoans of other varieties apparently do not use the same strategy to settle disputes never gets mentioned.

    Replies: @Escher, @flyingtiger, @Brutusale

    Same with the Massachusetts Democrats blaming the urban gun violence on New Hampshire. Funny how they seldom blame Vermont, which has gun laws that are among the loosest in the country.

    • Replies: @Dr. X
    @Brutusale


    Funny how they seldom blame Vermont, which has gun laws that are among the loosest in the country.
     
    Not anymore. Vermont instituted a 10-round magazine limit and universal background checks.
  65. Only slightly OT: I saw a claim made in a Jim Goad column that blacks actually cost the US over $600 billion per annum. That’s an astonishing number if true. Does anyone know who came up with this amount and how?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Obs

    $600 billion per annum. That’s an astonishing number if true

    Agree, it is obviously too low.

  66. Reminded me of spoof,Welsh rapsters, Goldie Looking Chain’s album:

    “Guns Don’t Kill People, Rappers Do”

  67. Steve wrong wrong wrong as usual on this topic. Anarcho Tyranny is the whole point of class/race warfare. Nice White ladies want Reginald Denny Day every day for the deplorable. Same with blacks.

    Harris is running hard on gun seizure. She says she will mobilize the military to go door to door. Kicking down doors and seizing all guns. Whites only.

    Simply put Darius Sessuns executing five year old Cannon Hinant is their goal.

  68. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Appreciate hearing from others, but I’ve noticed media trend on the Internet lately that I don’t think is random. It’s articles that say, “I’m black and I bought a gun for the first time.” After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights. Anyone else notice this?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Stephen Paul Foster, @JackOH, @anon, @Chris Mallory, @Dan, @europeasant, @Jesse, @Bill Jones, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Charlotte, @ATBOTL, @Mycale, @Gene Su

    I have.

    It’s part of the “color revolution” for the USA, which our deep state and their globalist elite allies have been cooking up over the last decade or two. They evolved the “color revolution” technique by taking down the social structures and legitimate governments of other unwoke countries, e.g. Hillary Clinton’s and Vicky “Fuck the EU” Nuland’s Orange revolution in the Ukraine. Now they’re ready to apply it here.

    Readying dissident minorities for open, armed rebellion is one neccessary step. Using legitimate but contested election results as an excuse for starting the revolution is another. Expect a full-scale, hot civil war this November.

    The only question is what color should be used to designate our “color revolution”. Obviously not White, although Melville’s description of that color as “the colorless all-color of atheism” might at first glance suggest it’s appropriate. Black is probably the best choice. It is descriptive in every possible sense.

  69. What is the evidence that Democrats are secretly sane and want to do something other than exactly what they frequently say? And there are plenty of legal gun owners in the black community who use guns responsibly, and need those guns because of where they live. Should they be penalized while illegal gangbangers continue to terrorize as usual? Steve is imputing something (a something which sort of makes sense to him) to a party which deserves no credit, no benefit of the doubt, no expectation of sanity. They may have in the past. After the completely baseless Russia nonsense they deserve none. They really are totally cynical, totally unhinged, and totally against the Constitition.

  70. The problem for the Democrats that they always run into when they get excited about gun control is that:

    – They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

    – They will never ever admit that’s what they want to do.

    Your analysis is correct for urban Democrats.

    However the far-left and many liberals are more interested in disarming Whites. In fact by their actions I don’t think most liberals care that much if Blacks shoot each other.

    The left has always been for gun control because they simply don’t want the risk of armed resistance. They are a lot more dependent on charismatic leaders despite all their talk of collective action. If the Germans had shot Lenin instead of helping him the revolution probably wouldn’t have happened.

    The modern left is afraid that their Che will appear (hopefully Black) and then some redneck with an AR guns him down from 500 yards. Leftists are especially afraid of rooftop voters.

  71. @Percy Gryce
    Update on the Austin shooting:

    https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/31/daniel-perry-austin-protest-garrett-foster/

    This is what you get when all these young journalist--and the young Brit expert they consult--is Charlottesville and not Reginald Denny.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Muggles, @El Dato

    I note that the article doesn’t mention Foster’s own video-taped boasts about his gun during those very protests.

    • Agree: Percy Gryce
  72. Blacks tend to be more “into the moment” than other races. It’s a big part of why they are so mediagenic on average compared to other people.

    There is an entire subgenre of YouTube channels of black guys reacting to funny things. There are white guys who do it too but they just aren’t very good as they tend to always be at least a little self-conscious and hold back their emotions even when doing a reaction video.

  73. @TomSchmidt
    Most of the focus of gun control seems to be on white people guns, as you've pointed out, Steve. Of course, NY State actually has very strict laws on handguns, making it near-impossible to carry anywhere, to own in NYC, and possess anywhere else. Whites in the suburbs follow these rules, generally.

    The great crime drop occurred because Nyc actually enforced its gun laws under Bloomberg, cracking down on "illegal" (we should call them undocumented, no?) guns in the city. Since DeBlasio abandoned stop, question, and frisk, and with the recent abandonment of ANY enforcement, we have removed the shackles and will soon out-do Chicago for total murders in the USA.

    Replies: @Altai, @Kronos, @Kronos

    Open borders with places without laws on the sale of handguns isn’t working out for NYC.

  74. “…marinated in the African-American culture of taking offense…”

    Guilty Whites, predominantly on the left, are responsible for the terminally offended culture among blacks. They’ve been coddled like children with no agency for 50 years, and this is the result.

  75. Melanin and guns to not work. How about the right to bear speers?

  76. @TomSchmidt
    Most of the focus of gun control seems to be on white people guns, as you've pointed out, Steve. Of course, NY State actually has very strict laws on handguns, making it near-impossible to carry anywhere, to own in NYC, and possess anywhere else. Whites in the suburbs follow these rules, generally.

    The great crime drop occurred because Nyc actually enforced its gun laws under Bloomberg, cracking down on "illegal" (we should call them undocumented, no?) guns in the city. Since DeBlasio abandoned stop, question, and frisk, and with the recent abandonment of ANY enforcement, we have removed the shackles and will soon out-do Chicago for total murders in the USA.

    Replies: @Altai, @Kronos, @Kronos

    Yep, that seems correct.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @Kronos

    One interesting question about black-on-black crime is how many of the victims are non-participants in some broader group conflict.

    Nobody should worry too much about black-on-black murders where both legs of the transaction are part of a broad groupwise beef.

    Take, for example, the video of the guy who was "gunned down" on a Bronx crosswalk while walking with his kid.

    That was a hit, which makes it likely that the victim was involved in some violent subculture (absent a case of mistaken identity).

    There's no 'business case' for society to waste significant resources reducing the X-on-X murder rate by focusing on events where all the Xs are organised criminals. (This may already be a majority view: it would help explain the low case-resolution rate for urban murders).

    When it all boils down, most "organised criminals" are just risk-tolerant entrepreneurs, willing to compete for the risk premia on the supply side of the market for politically-prohibited pharmaceuticals. In doing so they are simply copying the Kennedy dynasty, who made their family fortune running bootleg whisky and then bought their way to respectability.

    The violence they perpetrate should rightly be laid at the feet of those perpetrating the indefensible, stupid, societally-pointless War on Some Drugs.

    Non-black organised criminals - even Jews, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Lebanese and so forth - are generally very careful when they off each other: non-interference in the commons is a specific objective. I assume that the same is true of genuinely-criminal US blacks. (Plain ol' thugs are a different kettle of fish - and generally they prey on non-combatants: bring down an anvil on them).

    As a 'local' analogy to the guy killed on the Bronx crosswalk: in 2003, Melbourne's organised-crime community was uniformly horrified when Jason Moran and his minder were killed while they were picking up Moran's kids from a football 'clinic'.

    The Moran hit was considered a Bad Thing by everyone because the close presence of 5 kids (only 2 of which were Moran's) brought significant public attention, which meant that the authorities had to do something. (Worse still, there were upwards of 100 kids at the 'AusKick' clinic that the kids had been attending - imagine every Karen in Melbourne screeching, and you'll get a handle on the pressure on the piggery to Do Something).

    Up to that point, there had been about 20 "apud ipsi" killings in Melbourne in the previous handful of years; none of them really resulted in any significant police effort because it was understood that the violence would never touch the public. It was just a bit of the spice of life in Melbourne (similar to the same goings-on in King's Cross in Sydney, made famous by the 'Underbelly' TV series) - it made folks think it was exciting to go to Lygon Street.

    Anyway... Carl Williams (who ordered the hit) was looking to red-card the shooter for being such a flog as to kill a bloke in front of his kids; he even let it be known to the Moran family that it was regrettable that the kids were there.

    Still, everyone agreed that Williams himself was "on the X" for hiring a drug-fucked non-specialist (the shooter was a low-level armed robber, not a proper killer).

    A few years later Williams was beaten to death[1] in Barwon Prison on an unrelated matter.

    Contrast this with the evening in 2004 when Mick Gatto shot Benji Vinyamin in the eye in a non-public area at La Porchella (our local pizzeria at the time). No bystanders - not even any witnesses.

    Mick stayed at the scene, and was arrested, charged, and tried - and found to have acted in self-defence.

    It helped Gatto's defence greatly that Vinyamin was known to have killed at least 7 other prominent members of Melbourne's "underworld"... so the pigs and the DPP properly understood Benji's death was ad hoc personnel management.

    Point is: in the ordinary course of events, proper "crims" sort things out among themselves - even at the lower levels (e.g., arguments over who owns the corner). So 'crim-on-crim' violence should only be taken seriously by the forces of Laura Norder if it gets out of hand.

    So to the extent that intra-negroid murder reduces to the criminal classes resolving business disputes, everyone should discount the extent of the problem.


    [1] I say "beaten to death" because he was struck repeatedly about the head and body with various pieces of gym equipment very soon before he died.

    In Yanklish, though, that might be interpreted as purely coincidental: using the cognitive chops deployed by some of the fuckwits commenting on George Floyd, I could claim that since Williams died of cardiac arrest and was obese... well, he actually died of a heart attack and should be in the books as a casualty of a lifestyle of over-indulgence in starchy foods.

  77. @Percy Gryce
    Update on the Austin shooting:

    https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/31/daniel-perry-austin-protest-garrett-foster/

    This is what you get when all these young journalist--and the young Brit expert they consult--is Charlottesville and not Reginald Denny.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Muggles, @El Dato

    Your “Texas Tribune” article cited is dated July 30. Hardly an update.

    The “Texas Tribune” is an online only lib/Dem/SJW/Prog project whose funding has yet to be analyzed as far as I can tell. It is often cited by the corrupt Houston Chronicle and other left media outlets. I.e. not to be trusted.

    I was just discussing this Austin incident with a friend. The real update is that as of now, no real update has been provided. This may be before a Travis County Grand Jury or the local (Dem) DA.

    I am hopeful that the shooter will be absolved. You point a loaded rifle at someone in a car and presumably you are being menaced or threatened. Doesn’t matter what your prior “tweets” said.

    This incident was a tragedy since the fool with the AR-15 in the middle of the street, blocking traffic in an illegal “protest”, pointed that at the car’s driver. He was also armed. This is Texas, so drivers may be armed. For good reason.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Muggles


    The “Texas Tribune” is an online only lib/Dem/SJW/Prog project whose funding has yet to be analyzed as far as I can tell.
     
    https://www.texastribune.org/support-us/donors-and-members/

    Pretty impressive disclosure: Down to the “Less than $10” level.

    They seem to be completely funded by donations, so in effect they are working for their big donors. The donors don’t seem to be politically tendentious, but on the other hand in today’s climate one or two “problematic” articles or incidents and donors will dump you. O’Sullivan’s law applies: Unless a donor-supported news outlet is explicitly hard-core conservative, it will need to behave in a progressive manner.

    Replies: @Muggles

  78. @Percy Gryce
    Update on the Austin shooting:

    https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/31/daniel-perry-austin-protest-garrett-foster/

    This is what you get when all these young journalist--and the young Brit expert they consult--is Charlottesville and not Reginald Denny.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Muggles, @El Dato

    That’s about 20 days ago.

    “The simple fact is that Sgt. Perry reasonably perceived a threat to his life when, as has now been confirmed by independent witnesses, Mr. Foster raised his assault rifle toward Sgt. Perry who was sitting in his car,” Broden said in his release.

    I was first said that Mr. Foster wheeled his paraplegic fiancée through the protesting mob (not a good idea) while carrying an AR15 (not a good idea, again).

    But Perry’s tweets added to the concerns of those who already were skeptical that he was acting in self-defense.

    Holy shit Batman. He sent reactionary Tweets. That changes EVERYTHING.

    Capochiano and other witnesses have said Perry seemed to drive threateningly into the crowd before shots were fired, and his actions seemed intentional.

    How do you drive “threateningly albeit unintentionnally into the crowd” is left as an exercise for the reader.

  79. @TomSchmidt
    NY state allows residents to buy rifles and shotguns without a license, just the background check. There's been a boom outside the city. I don't think any of those new converts are going to look kindly on gun restrictions.

    Replies: @James O'Meara

    On Mad Men, Pete Campbell went to Macy’s to trade in an unwanted wedding gift (a classic midcentury chip n dip) for a rifle.

    In the episode where they mutinied and left to start their own firm, we see Pete shouldering his rifle as they leave the office for the last time.

    Pete’s a rather violent man — at least 3 fistfights, one in a staff meeting — but never uses the rifle.

    Betty, on the other hand, an Ossinging housewife, get pissed off at a neighbor and calmly shoots his pigeons (best episode ending ever!)

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @James O'Meara


    Pete’s a rather violent man
     
    Scottish blood.....


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyCBuwaxdAw

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  80. Off topic, but antifa violence related:

    Portland “demonstrators” as one news outlet calls them, burned down a Portland city building that housed various social service functions, COVID supplies, etc. Had no law enforcement activity there.

    It was deliberate arson.

    Recall that a couple of weeks back the commie OR governor and Portland mayor both claimed that once Trump removed the fed LEOs, the violence would stop. That occurred earlier this month and within two days more violence happened in conjunction with “protests.”

    I was involved in a few anti Vietnam war demonstrations and none of them (nor any I heard about) involved burning down buildings, police cars, attacking civilians, etc. If it ever happened it was very rare. So don’t believe the commies about this. A few boomers recall real demonstrations and protests and they were largely nonviolent. No riots, destruction etc. (other than by some of Obama’s SDS Weatherman bomber pals.)

    I guess antifa will have to burn down the entire Portland downtown before the Woke wake up.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Muggles

    The people in Portland aren't normal protestors, they are a collection of people varying shades of cluster B personality disorders for whom this is partly a recreational activity. The core of them are antifa cultists which also seems to act like a magnet for people with cluster B personality disorders.

    Most people at political protests regard them as a chore or a duty, for them this is fun.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_B_personality_disorders

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pVpCOzZNNMA/Vsh2-uSpdXI/AAAAAAAAAM8/5U9wDpp6qKY/s1600/cluster+b.jpg

    Replies: @Kronos

  81. OT: Right-wing racist car rammings of BLM and antifa still not going through formality of happening in Portland or US.

    Meanwhile, in Germany, one of Merkles’ Million Marching Men decided to run natives over in the city with one of the largest anti-Iraq marches in the world.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53832113

    A man who rammed three motorcyclists on a motorway in Berlin is being investigated for what prosecutors say was “an Islamist-motivated attack”.

    Three people were seriously injured when the suspect’s car collided with motorbikes and cars on the A100 motorway shortly before 19:00 (17:00 GMT) on Tuesday evening.

    Witnesses said the 30-year-old Iraqi suspect claimed to have a “dangerous object” in a box of ammunition.

    Police and prosecutors say the series of crashes in three separate places on the A100 near the centre of Berlin were being considered as “deliberate attacks on other road users”. Berlin prosecutor’s office spokesman Martin Steltner told reporters the man was suspected of “in effect hunting down motorcyclists”

    In the first incident, the suspect’s black Opel car seriously injured a motorcyclist, then drove on targeting two more, eventually ramming the third motorcyclist into the path of his car. The third motorcyclist is reportedly in a life-threatening condition.

    After the crashes, the man was said to have placed a metal box on the road. According to sources quoted by the Tagesspiegel website, he shouted “Allahu Akbar” (God is greatest) and “Nobody come closer or else you’ll die.”

    Named by German media as Samrad A, the suspect lives in refugee accommodation

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Altai

    Islamist adjacent counter protester. Orwell would be proud.

  82. I think that every legal hand gun owner wants all guns out of the hands of violent criminals and former felons. This used to be accomplished, to some degree, by “Stop and Frisk.” That tactic is now banned in almost every dem controlled city. Yesterday governor cuomo bemoaned the fact that shootings, mostly by handguns, are up 79% in NYS. It is almost impossible to get a permit just to purchase a handgun in NYS. Obtaining a conceal carry permit is basically impossible. So, criminals, illegaly carrying and using handguns are the problem in NYS. Well, they are one problem. Dems who don’t really give a shit about who is doing the shooting are a bigger problem. Did I mention I loathe cuomo?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Buffalo Joe

    I don't know if this is real or a brilliant satire but Cuomo appeared on the cover of a projected book: "Leadership Lessons From The Covid Crisis." Not actual samples: You see, forcing nursing homes to accept the infected burns the virus out and brings us closer to a safer mutation. And: Always viciously attack the federal government before accepting federal aid, you get more that way.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Buffalo Joe


    It is almost impossible to get a permit just to purchase a handgun in NYS.
     
    In Erie County, perhaps now. But in other N.Y. counties named after an Indian nation, or US president, or Constitutional Convention delegate, or Revolutionary War hero? Hunting with pistols is legal in New York: https://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/28182.html

    A good rule of thumb is to assume ease of getting a N.Y. pistol permit is inversely proportional to your need for self-defense in any particular county. E'g', compare Kings or Queens with Franklin, Jefferson, or Greene.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @prosa123

  83. The trailer for Kenneth Branagh’s Woke-version of Death on the Nile is out. From the looks of things, quite a few characters have been Blacked:

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @syonredux

    I wonder if it’s going to be as over the top bad as the previous production of Murder on the Orient Express.
    The Blackness level is due to the tacit quota system in British productions.
    A. A significant percentage of people residing in Britain are non-White. Therefore a significant and quite likely even higher percentage of actors are non-White. They want acting jobs. That means they have to be cast in every production. If anyone even suggested doing a Norman invasion movie with historically accurate 100% European casting, they would never work again in the entertainment industry.
    B. Proponents will argue that if you can cast an Anglo-Saxon actor as the mythical Achaean character Achilles, why can’t you cast a sub-Saharan African? After all in both cases a mythical character is being played by an actor of a different ethnic origin.
    C. By mis-casting non-White in historical productions you create the sense that non-Whites were always living in Britain, therefore no one can complain when White Britons are eventually replaced with non-White Britons.

    , @Michael C
    @syonredux

    I believe if i want to see this movie, I will watch the original version.

  84. @Buffalo Joe
    I think that every legal hand gun owner wants all guns out of the hands of violent criminals and former felons. This used to be accomplished, to some degree, by "Stop and Frisk." That tactic is now banned in almost every dem controlled city. Yesterday governor cuomo bemoaned the fact that shootings, mostly by handguns, are up 79% in NYS. It is almost impossible to get a permit just to purchase a handgun in NYS. Obtaining a conceal carry permit is basically impossible. So, criminals, illegaly carrying and using handguns are the problem in NYS. Well, they are one problem. Dems who don't really give a shit about who is doing the shooting are a bigger problem. Did I mention I loathe cuomo?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar

    I don’t know if this is real or a brilliant satire but Cuomo appeared on the cover of a projected book: “Leadership Lessons From The Covid Crisis.” Not actual samples: You see, forcing nursing homes to accept the infected burns the virus out and brings us closer to a safer mutation. And: Always viciously attack the federal government before accepting federal aid, you get more that way.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @J.Ross

    J, Well cuomo does have a book deal on the table and it is not satirical but about his leadership during the Covid-19 pandemic. Really,not kidding. I await a book by another Empire State legend, watch for "How to Win the Superbowl" by Marv Levy. Marv was ok in his smarter than thou way, but Andrew carries that to another plateau. I did mention I loathe cuomo,right?

  85. @Muggles
    Off topic, but antifa violence related:

    Portland "demonstrators" as one news outlet calls them, burned down a Portland city building that housed various social service functions, COVID supplies, etc. Had no law enforcement activity there.

    It was deliberate arson.

    Recall that a couple of weeks back the commie OR governor and Portland mayor both claimed that once Trump removed the fed LEOs, the violence would stop. That occurred earlier this month and within two days more violence happened in conjunction with "protests."

    I was involved in a few anti Vietnam war demonstrations and none of them (nor any I heard about) involved burning down buildings, police cars, attacking civilians, etc. If it ever happened it was very rare. So don't believe the commies about this. A few boomers recall real demonstrations and protests and they were largely nonviolent. No riots, destruction etc. (other than by some of Obama's SDS Weatherman bomber pals.)

    I guess antifa will have to burn down the entire Portland downtown before the Woke wake up.

    Replies: @Altai

    The people in Portland aren’t normal protestors, they are a collection of people varying shades of cluster B personality disorders for whom this is partly a recreational activity. The core of them are antifa cultists which also seems to act like a magnet for people with cluster B personality disorders.

    Most people at political protests regard them as a chore or a duty, for them this is fun.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_B_personality_disorders

    • Thanks: Muggles
    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Altai

    You might get a kick out of these weird people going into this gun store. (I believe it takes place in Portland.)

    https://youtu.be/NB1qI7DrH6Y

    The owner records everything and it’s bizarre that it’s not satire. The weird people fit all the stereotypes of potential Antifa supporters. One thing I’ve noticed since watching multiple videos of different people going into this store is this strange thrill they radiate. I guess if your a progressive, going into a gun store is akin to attending a porno theater/sex shop in the 1970s. Typically, you’d never want to be caught dead in there from fear of damaging one’s social standing. A gun store sells masculinity, something that’s a schedule I narcotic these days. So 50 years onwards the script has been switched. Gun stores are the new porno theaters of the last era.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  86. Anon[165] • Disclaimer says:
    @Muggles
    @Percy Gryce

    Your "Texas Tribune" article cited is dated July 30. Hardly an update.

    The "Texas Tribune" is an online only lib/Dem/SJW/Prog project whose funding has yet to be analyzed as far as I can tell. It is often cited by the corrupt Houston Chronicle and other left media outlets. I.e. not to be trusted.

    I was just discussing this Austin incident with a friend. The real update is that as of now, no real update has been provided. This may be before a Travis County Grand Jury or the local (Dem) DA.

    I am hopeful that the shooter will be absolved. You point a loaded rifle at someone in a car and presumably you are being menaced or threatened. Doesn't matter what your prior "tweets" said.

    This incident was a tragedy since the fool with the AR-15 in the middle of the street, blocking traffic in an illegal "protest", pointed that at the car's driver. He was also armed. This is Texas, so drivers may be armed. For good reason.

    Replies: @Anon

    The “Texas Tribune” is an online only lib/Dem/SJW/Prog project whose funding has yet to be analyzed as far as I can tell.

    https://www.texastribune.org/support-us/donors-and-members/

    Pretty impressive disclosure: Down to the “Less than $10” level.

    They seem to be completely funded by donations, so in effect they are working for their big donors. The donors don’t seem to be politically tendentious, but on the other hand in today’s climate one or two “problematic” articles or incidents and donors will dump you. O’Sullivan’s law applies: Unless a donor-supported news outlet is explicitly hard-core conservative, it will need to behave in a progressive manner.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Anon

    >>They seem to be completely funded by donations, so in effect they are working for their big donors<$200 in federal elections) will likely highly correlate with TT donors. Austin tech millionaires and education mafia tax feeders will also be prominent. I took a quick peak at their online list and it's the huge corrupt leftist controlled foundations that shower money on them. Millions.

    There may be a few clueless "moderates" or "good journalism" types, but not many. I suspect TT were given access to lefty/prog email lists or even postal mailing lists by Dem leaning fronts and their allies.

    I read the TT stuff in the Houston Chronic and it is always anti GOP, pro Dem/Prog baloney. Now most state politicians in Texas are currently Republican, so they are legitimate fair game. But many of the TT articles are whining about treatment of illegal migrants and any and every effort to limit taxes or government overreach. The TT is just another prog front masquerading as something they are not.

    The real tragedy is that conservative/GOP elites fail to do the same.

  87. He’s being ironic, yes? I would like to think that a man who studied philosophy at Harvard knows the meaning of “demotic.” On the other hand, an Oxford grad once asked me to define “liminal” after I used it at a seminar…..

    Matty Yglesias:”I don’t know what “demotic” means so that’s maybe part of the problem.”

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1296096645654941696

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @syonredux


    He’s being ironic, yes? I would like to think that a man who studied philosophy at Harvard knows the meaning of “demotic.”
     
    The term is usually, indeed almost always, used in connection with New Testament exegesis. In other words, a Sephard at a modern Ivy is unlikely to come across it, even in philosophy.

    David Freiheit is a lawyer in Montreal, and claims never to have met the word paucity until he heard it from Dr Anthony Fauci in a Congressional hearing. He turned that ignorance into a weapon to discredit Fauci when the latter attempted to scale Rep. McKinley.


    On the other hand, an Oxford grad once asked me to define “liminal” after I used it at a seminar…...
     
    Because he didn't know the meaning, or because he didn't know your meaning? After all, you are twice as elliptic as anyone else who comments here!

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @CJ
    @syonredux

    More likely than not, he really doesn't know what demotic means.

    A lot of people don't understand how badly education has deteriorated.

  88. @Art Deco
    I've rummaged through some crime statistics for England and Wales and as far as I can see homicide rates in metropolitan zones there do not differ much from those in non-metropolitan zone. If I'm not mistaken, the homicide rate for non-metropolitan counties in the U.S. is about 2.5 per 100,000 (lower in New England and the Rustbelt). I think it's roughly half that in England and Wales in non-metropolitan zones and in line with what you might see in Eastern Europe in comparable areas. Might have to do with guns or it might have to do with culture.

    Most of the difference in homicide rates between the U.S. and European countries is to be found in the slums. About 10% of our population lives in urban segments where the homicide rate exceeds 30 per 100,000. Reducing it to about 12 per 100,000 is a feasible social project. About 1/3 of the homicides which occur in this country (more in the future) are the low hanging fruit that can be suppressed with more vigorous policing.

    NB, in the U.S. up until recently, you've been less likely to be burgled and far less likely to have your car stolen than in England and Wales. The distinction between the two was in the realm of violent crime, and the distinction is much more pronounced for homicide than it is for robbery or (IIRC) sexual assaults.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    If I’m not mistaken, the homicide rate for non-metropolitan counties in the U.S. is about 2.5 per 100,000 (lower in New England and the Rustbelt).

    Yankees, krauts, and squareheads.

    homicide rates in metropolitan zones [in England and Wales] do not differ much from those in non-metropolitan zone.

    It may be that urban crime is balanced by a large percentage of immigrants who are less violent than the natives, e.g., Poles and Hindus. Remember, too, that the rural proportion of the English (and Canadian and Australian, for that matter) population is quite a bit sm aller than in the US.

    What I’d like to see is crime statistics broken down by congressional district. See how they correlate with not only party, but votes on individual issues. E.g., with NRA and NumbersUSA grades.

    Oh, and pro-life votes. Because few things are more anti-life than murder.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Reg Cæsar

    Stop and search rates from met by ethnicity.

    https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/stop-and-search/latest#by-ethnicity

    East Asian rates well below 'White British' or 'White Irish' rates. 'White Other' is over twice that of the former two. Though this may capture an age demographic and sex bias of the latter population.

    Subcon rates a lot higher, including 'Indian', maybe Sikhs, they are involved in a lot of gang crime in Canada where they are a more conspicuous population.

    , @Templar
    @Reg Cæsar

    India's homicide rate is 3 times that of the UK.
    Polish homicide rates are slightly higher than the UK but in any society young men are the most likely to commit crime and a very large proportion of young Polish men are living in the UK (and other Western European countries) so the crimes that they commit appear as French Dutch or British homicides. Effectively Poland is a major crime exporter.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  89. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Appreciate hearing from others, but I’ve noticed media trend on the Internet lately that I don’t think is random. It’s articles that say, “I’m black and I bought a gun for the first time.” After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights. Anyone else notice this?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Stephen Paul Foster, @JackOH, @anon, @Chris Mallory, @Dan, @europeasant, @Jesse, @Bill Jones, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Charlotte, @ATBOTL, @Mycale, @Gene Su

    Me, too. I doubt it is random.

  90. @Altai
    OT: Right-wing racist car rammings of BLM and antifa still not going through formality of happening in Portland or US.

    Meanwhile, in Germany, one of Merkles' Million Marching Men decided to run natives over in the city with one of the largest anti-Iraq marches in the world.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53832113


    A man who rammed three motorcyclists on a motorway in Berlin is being investigated for what prosecutors say was "an Islamist-motivated attack".

    Three people were seriously injured when the suspect's car collided with motorbikes and cars on the A100 motorway shortly before 19:00 (17:00 GMT) on Tuesday evening.

    Witnesses said the 30-year-old Iraqi suspect claimed to have a "dangerous object" in a box of ammunition.

    ...

    Police and prosecutors say the series of crashes in three separate places on the A100 near the centre of Berlin were being considered as "deliberate attacks on other road users". Berlin prosecutor's office spokesman Martin Steltner told reporters the man was suspected of "in effect hunting down motorcyclists"

    ...

    In the first incident, the suspect's black Opel car seriously injured a motorcyclist, then drove on targeting two more, eventually ramming the third motorcyclist into the path of his car. The third motorcyclist is reportedly in a life-threatening condition.

    ...

    After the crashes, the man was said to have placed a metal box on the road. According to sources quoted by the Tagesspiegel website, he shouted "Allahu Akbar" (God is greatest) and "Nobody come closer or else you'll die."

    Named by German media as Samrad A, the suspect lives in refugee accommodation
     

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Islamist adjacent counter protester. Orwell would be proud.

  91. @James O'Meara
    @TomSchmidt

    On Mad Men, Pete Campbell went to Macy's to trade in an unwanted wedding gift (a classic midcentury chip n dip) for a rifle.

    http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/4/4c/Mad107-rifle1.jpg/400px-Mad107-rifle1.jpg

    In the episode where they mutinied and left to start their own firm, we see Pete shouldering his rifle as they leave the office for the last time.

    Pete's a rather violent man -- at least 3 fistfights, one in a staff meeting -- but never uses the rifle.

    Betty, on the other hand, an Ossinging housewife, get pissed off at a neighbor and calmly shoots his pigeons (best episode ending ever!)

    https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,pg_1,q_80,w_800/18ms2qan8njz0jpg.jpg

    Replies: @syonredux

    Pete’s a rather violent man

    Scottish blood…..

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @syonredux

    "Scottish blood….."

    Don't know the most recent figures, but 15 years ago Scotland had almost twice the homicide rate of England and Wales - which (considering the much lower percentage of minorities there) is an impressive feat.

  92. @syonredux
    He's being ironic, yes? I would like to think that a man who studied philosophy at Harvard knows the meaning of "demotic." On the other hand, an Oxford grad once asked me to define "liminal" after I used it at a seminar.....

    Matty Yglesias:"I don’t know what “demotic” means so that’s maybe part of the problem."

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1296096645654941696

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @CJ

    He’s being ironic, yes? I would like to think that a man who studied philosophy at Harvard knows the meaning of “demotic.”

    The term is usually, indeed almost always, used in connection with New Testament exegesis. In other words, a Sephard at a modern Ivy is unlikely to come across it, even in philosophy.

    David Freiheit is a lawyer in Montreal, and claims never to have met the word paucity until he heard it from Dr Anthony Fauci in a Congressional hearing. He turned that ignorance into a weapon to discredit Fauci when the latter attempted to scale Rep. McKinley.

    On the other hand, an Oxford grad once asked me to define “liminal” after I used it at a seminar……

    Because he didn’t know the meaning, or because he didn’t know your meaning? After all, you are twice as elliptic as anyone else who comments here!

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Reg Cæsar


    On the other hand, an Oxford grad once asked me to define “liminal” after I used it at a seminar……

    Because he didn’t know the meaning, or because he didn’t know your meaning?
     

    The former. I was not engaging in the post-modern game where scholars invent/distort words. I was discussing the frontispiece to Bacon's Instauratio Magna and made reference to the aptness of its "liminal imagery."


    https://www.princeton.edu/~his291/Jpegs/Instauratio.JPG


    Afterwards, my Oxonian colleague remarked that he was unfamiliar with the word and asked me to enlighten him.

    And, in case anyone is curious, here's the dictionary definition:

    liminal


    (ˈlɪmɪnəl ; ˈlaɪmɪnəl )
    ADJECTIVE
    1. Physiology and Psychology
    of or at the limen, or threshold
    2. at a boundary or transitional point between two conditions, stages in a process, ways of life, etc.


    After all, you are twice as elliptic as anyone else who comments here!

     

    Only twice? I must be slipping!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  93. @Redneck farmer
    Back a couple of decades ago, British criminologist Colin Greenwood observed that you were more likely to be stabbed in Britain,but you were more likely to be stabbed to death in America. So the American underclass is harder working than the British one?

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Rob McX

    Bad aim?

    All kidding aside, the British stabbers are probably drunk and lashing out wildly, while the Americans are probably using the knife with literally deadly intent.

  94. @Buffalo Joe
    I think that every legal hand gun owner wants all guns out of the hands of violent criminals and former felons. This used to be accomplished, to some degree, by "Stop and Frisk." That tactic is now banned in almost every dem controlled city. Yesterday governor cuomo bemoaned the fact that shootings, mostly by handguns, are up 79% in NYS. It is almost impossible to get a permit just to purchase a handgun in NYS. Obtaining a conceal carry permit is basically impossible. So, criminals, illegaly carrying and using handguns are the problem in NYS. Well, they are one problem. Dems who don't really give a shit about who is doing the shooting are a bigger problem. Did I mention I loathe cuomo?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar

    It is almost impossible to get a permit just to purchase a handgun in NYS.

    In Erie County, perhaps now. But in other N.Y. counties named after an Indian nation, or US president, or Constitutional Convention delegate, or Revolutionary War hero? Hunting with pistols is legal in New York: https://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/28182.html

    A good rule of thumb is to assume ease of getting a N.Y. pistol permit is inversely proportional to your need for self-defense in any particular county. E’g’, compare Kings or Queens with Franklin, Jefferson, or Greene.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, where are you? Upstate? Hard to get an application in EC. Have a great day.

    , @prosa123
    @Reg Cæsar

    But in other N.Y. counties named after an Indian nation, or US president, or Constitutional Convention delegate, or Revolutionary War hero? Hunting with pistols is legal in New York: https://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/28182.html

    In Suffolk County, pistol permit applicants go through a telephone interview with an officer from the county police department. During the interview, the cop asks the applicant a series of questions about training, intended uses, safe storage, and so on. It usually takes about 20 minutes.

    The cop isn't particularly interested in the applicant's specific answers. He's actually trained in psychology and is listening carefully for any indications of mental instability. Strangely enough, insurance companies do something not entirely unrelated when older people apply for long-term care insurance. Underwriters call applicants and engage them in seemingly casual conversations. They're actually looking for any signs of dementia.

    Getting back to Suffolk County, not long ago I heard from a gun store employee that the demand for pistol permits is so high they police firearms division is hopelessly backed up with applications.

    Replies: @Kibernetika

  95. @TomSchmidt
    Most of the focus of gun control seems to be on white people guns, as you've pointed out, Steve. Of course, NY State actually has very strict laws on handguns, making it near-impossible to carry anywhere, to own in NYC, and possess anywhere else. Whites in the suburbs follow these rules, generally.

    The great crime drop occurred because Nyc actually enforced its gun laws under Bloomberg, cracking down on "illegal" (we should call them undocumented, no?) guns in the city. Since DeBlasio abandoned stop, question, and frisk, and with the recent abandonment of ANY enforcement, we have removed the shackles and will soon out-do Chicago for total murders in the USA.

    Replies: @Altai, @Kronos, @Kronos

    Yep, that seems correct.

  96. So whenever the Democrats start talking about gun control, they end up going on and on about how the real threat is all those evil redneck white males with their scary rifles.

    Very true. Several years ago Chuck Schumer admitted to Congress that back in the 1970’s or 80’s, most progressives wanted to get rid of all guns…even Uncle Fred’s .410 break action single shot. But, he said, progressives aren’t like that anymore, so conservatives should go along with progressives’ current gun control measures. That’s a paraphrase, but not too far off of his actual words. His belief in his sub-mediocre persuasive powers is truly amazing.

    Handguns are the most common type of firearm used in violent crime, but they’re also the most effective weapons for law-abiding citizens to protect themselves in public settings. The grand conversion of conservatives into people who believe that a law-abiding individual has the right to carry a handgun (most didn’t believe in this until the 1980’s or ’90’s, when black gang violence started spiking) isn’t lost on the smart left. At least a few among them are able to recognize a long standing political principal: for every social or political action (like ghetto violence or attempted draconian gun bans) there’s an amplified and opposite reaction.

    So they go after black rifles in a Chuck Schumer style subterfuge, somehow hoping not to offend the tens of millions of handgun owners in the US, or make them worry about their concealed carry permits, even though banning those things is the ultimate goal of the anti-gun left. Again, the confidence they have in their transparent strategy is amazing. If they ban black rifles, almost nothing will happen to gun crime stats, so they’ll have an excuse to go after handguns, believing that their success in banning rifles will give them enough “momentum” to accomplish this. Delusional. Good luck in getting rid of 1/3 billion guns in the US.

  97. @brabantian
    Well actually the USA has the 4th lowest murder rate in all of the Americas, both North and South ... only Canada, Chile and Cuba are lower

    And most of those higher-rate murder countries throughout the Americas, have stricter 'gun control' laws, such as Mexico whose murder rate has been 3x the USA. Even countries people think of as 'peaceful' such as Costa Rica, has a murder rate 2.5x the USA.

    The moral is that, once a society tips over into a certain level of violence - which seems to be associated with multi-ethnic roots, more than poverty - the guns actually prevent a lot of crime

    Consider Brasil, where Bolsonaro's combination of tougher, go-ahead-and-shoot-the-bad-guys policing, plus more liberal, easier gun ownership, has been reducing the massive violent crime in Brasil

    It is clearly not the guns. In continental Europe - tho most Americans don't know it, confused and misled by Britain's 1990s confiscation of all handguns - there are tens of millions of legally-owned civilian handguns, shotguns and rifles, tho not the 'carry' laws like in the USA.

    And although having the 2nd highest continental rate of gun ownership in the world, Europe is the continent with the lowest murder and crime rates ... tho that has been climbing along with diversity

    White Americans, despite all their hundreds of millions of guns, have overall a murder rate not far from that of white Europeans

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @Joe Pescadillo, @Rahan

    I remember hearing that on another post on this website, Ron had excerpted parts of Robert Trivers autobiography a couple of years ago where he was lamenting the high rate of violent crime in Jamaica and some black radical who posted to one of them was claiming the US was worse and had a sky high rate of gun violence compared to other countries.

    Another poster pointed out that the only reason the US had higher rates than other industrialized countries was due to our black population and larger aggregate population. Once you adjusted for population size and percent black, and looked at only US whites, they had virtually the same rate of homicide as Britain and other “Anglo” countries.

    • Replies: @Kyle
    @Unladen Swallow

    Another poster pointed out that the only reason the US had higher rates than other industrialized countries was due to our black population and larger aggregate population. Once you adjusted for population size and percent black, and looked at only US whites, they had virtually the same rate of homicide as Britain and other “Anglo” countries.

    That’s essentially the thesis of the entire history of the isteve blog.

  98. Sorry to post so much today but OT:

    Another example of a Portland protestor being trans or in this case a ‘they/them’ non-binary.

    Everything about this guy screams BPD. The pained expression in his profile picture, the impulsive knuckle tattoos, the bright green hair in his profile. The need for attention and acceptance by claiming to be ‘non-binary’ or maybe it’s reflective of a poor incoherent sense of identity that plagues BPDers.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Altai

    Also OT: But to give an indication of the top notch journalism conducted by the man who took the My Chemical Romance-American Pape's claims seriously.

    https://twitter.com/shanedkavanaugh/status/1295814418622582784

    Not good indeed.

    The vernacular of social media journalism tends to turn such that you could never be sure if a 48 year old man who looks like Mr Kavanaugh wrote it or a 16 year old girl sitting in her bedroom wrote it.

  99. @flyingtiger
    @Arclight

    Blacks are too terrified to go to white areas like Indiana to get firearms. That's if they could figure out how to get there. The mob used to run guns to the blacks, but I am not sure if they are still doing that.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @ATBOTL

    “White areas like Indiana?” They’re getting the guns right in crime-infested Gary, not out in some cornfield

  100. @Altai
    Sorry to post so much today but OT:

    Another example of a Portland protestor being trans or in this case a 'they/them' non-binary.

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1295585308679925760

    Everything about this guy screams BPD. The pained expression in his profile picture, the impulsive knuckle tattoos, the bright green hair in his profile. The need for attention and acceptance by claiming to be 'non-binary' or maybe it's reflective of a poor incoherent sense of identity that plagues BPDers.

    Replies: @Altai

    Also OT: But to give an indication of the top notch journalism conducted by the man who took the My Chemical Romance-American Pape’s claims seriously.

    Not good indeed.

    The vernacular of social media journalism tends to turn such that you could never be sure if a 48 year old man who looks like Mr Kavanaugh wrote it or a 16 year old girl sitting in her bedroom wrote it.

  101. @syonredux
    The trailer for Kenneth Branagh's Woke-version of Death on the Nile is out. From the looks of things, quite a few characters have been Blacked:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM1U-Whb-P0

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Michael C

    I wonder if it’s going to be as over the top bad as the previous production of Murder on the Orient Express.
    The Blackness level is due to the tacit quota system in British productions.
    A. A significant percentage of people residing in Britain are non-White. Therefore a significant and quite likely even higher percentage of actors are non-White. They want acting jobs. That means they have to be cast in every production. If anyone even suggested doing a Norman invasion movie with historically accurate 100% European casting, they would never work again in the entertainment industry.
    B. Proponents will argue that if you can cast an Anglo-Saxon actor as the mythical Achaean character Achilles, why can’t you cast a sub-Saharan African? After all in both cases a mythical character is being played by an actor of a different ethnic origin.
    C. By mis-casting non-White in historical productions you create the sense that non-Whites were always living in Britain, therefore no one can complain when White Britons are eventually replaced with non-White Britons.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  102. @A black guy
    Well, as a black man...

    I have to ask...

    Who owns the hollywood and music media? Who owns the media companies that create the culture that indoctrinates black youth?

    Why do democrats constantly put people who destroy cities, education and critcal thinking in power?

    Which "race" is responsible for:

    The holocaust
    Nuclear War
    World War 1 and 2
    Slavery
    Private Central Banking Cartels
    The pedophile rings in hollywood and around world
    Debt Slavery
    The Vietnam War
    The Korean War
    The CIA funded war against drugs
    The Mexican secret service in bed with drug cartels
    MK Ultra
    Pedogates (All of them)
    The dumbing down of current youth (including blacks)
    Transgender movement
    The gun trade business
    The drug business
    Planned Parent Hood
    The leaders of the Aethist movement
    The leaders of the rothchild
    The leaders of bilderberg
    The creation and control of the porn industry
    Pizzagate
    The deep state
    CIA Control of the golden triangle
    Contra
    Prism
    FBI informants getting betrayed
    Radical Feminism
    Radical Alphabet groups


    Which RACE is responsible for all of this? Any guesses? Not blacks.

    I could say something stupid like:

    Why is does the world have a huge murder rate? White people and guns +endless greed.

    But, I would have slap myself. Why? Melanine doesn't control a person's ethics. Your skin color doesn't make you evil.

    The problem is that GOOD people are divided intentionally and posts like yours only fan the flames.

    Replies: @No Recent Commenting History, @Reg Cæsar

    Well, as a black man duck…

  103. & I bet none of these civilized White kids had their mum promoted to the House Of Lords like that sour-faced, lemonsucking witch of drug dealer St Steven Lawrence
    SOME OF THE WHITE TEENS KILLED BY BLACKS AND ASIANS IN UK,
    very incomplete list.
    Archie Beston, 19, Kingston, S.W.London, Feb 2020.
    Aron Warren, 18, Greenwich, London, 8 Dec 2018.
    Jamie Brown, 17, Halifax, Yorks. 27 Oct. 2018.
    Kyle Yule, 17, Gillingham, Kent, 6 Oct 2017.
    Daniel Kirkwood, 18, Coventry, 15 March, 2015
    Alan Cartwright, 15, Islington, N.London, 27 Feb 2015.
    Jordan Brennan,17, Gorton, Manchester, 10 Oct 2014.
    Charlie Burns, 19, Hackney, N.London, 21 Aug 2014.
    Kieran Raiswell, 18, Whalley Range, Manchester, 16 Jan 2013.
    Thomas Overton, 18, Leyton, E.London, 19 Aug 2012.
    Danny O’Shea, 18, Canning Town, E.London, 2 Dec 2011.
    Nicholas Pearton, 16, Sydenham, S.E.London, May 2010.
    Martin Bilaszewski, 19, Finsbury Park station, N.London. 6 May 2010.
    Ben Kinsella, 16, Islington, N.London, 29 June 2008.
    Jimmy Mizen, 16, Lee, S.E.London, May 2008.
    Robert Knox, 18, Sidcup, Kent. May 2008.
    Alex Holroyd, 19, Bradford, Yorks. Jan. 2008.
    Jack Large, 14, Grange Hill, Essex. 30 Nov 2007.
    Stuart Lowe, 18, Warrington, Lancs, 17 Oct. 2007.
    Andrew Holland, 16, Farnworth near Bolton, Lancs, 17 Aug 2007.
    Martin Dinnegan, 14, Holloway, N.London , 26 June 2007.
    Ben Hitchcock, 16, Beckenham, S.London, 23 June 2007.
    Kenneth Cole, 13, Burnley, Lancs,14 Feb. 2007.
    Ian Page, 19, Colindale, N.W.London, 12 Nov. 2006.
    David Strizegauskas, 13, Upton Park, E.London, 27 Apr 2006.
    Christopher Davis, 17, Barking, E.London 19 Jan. 2006.
    Jason Mayze, 16, St Helens, Liverpool, 13 Jan 2006.
    Ben Bellamy, 17, Swansea, South Wales, Sept. 2005.
    Kris Donald, 15, Glasgow, Scotland,15 March 2004.
    Jason Ripley, 17, Huddersfield, Yorks, Feb 2004.
    Ashley Hedger, 16, Upton Park, London, 16 Jan 2004.
    Terry Gregory, 19, Woolwich, S.E.London, 28 Dec 2003.
    Sean Whyte, 17, Colne, Lancs. 29 Sept. 2003.
    Gavin Hopley, 19, Oldham, Lancs, 16 Feb 2002.
    Owain Leeson, 17, Sheffield, Yorks, 14 Feb 2002.
    Ross Parker, 17, Peterborough, Cambs, 23 Sept 2001.
    Liam Gall, 18, Redditch, Worcs, 26 Sept. 2000.
    Jonathan Coles, 18, Newport Pagnell, Bucks, 11 June 1999.
    Jamie Robe, 17, Rotherhithe, E.London, August 1997.
    Andrew Steventon, 17, Birmingham, June 1996.
    Danny Westmacott, 16, Edmonton, London, 8 Feb 1996.
    Michael Dooher, 19, Lichfield, Staffordshire, 2 Sept. 1995.
    Richard Everitt, 15, Kings Cross, London, August 1994.
    Philip Gosling, 13, Handsworth, Birmingham, Feb. 1994.
    Raymond Kelly, 17, Hartley Wintney, Hants. 1 Feb. 1991.
    Stuart Gough,14, Hagley, Worcs, 17 Jan. 1988.
    Sean Keynes,15, Lozells, Birmingham, 22 May 1986.
    Robert Vaughan, 17. Southwark, S.London, 4 Feb. 1984.
    Colin Reid, 18, Hitchin, Herts, 8 Oct 1983.
    Terry May, 19, Thornton Heath, Surrey, 1 June 1981.
    John Hunt, 18, Middlesborough, Tyne and Wear, 19 Aug. 1961

    • Agree: Rob McX
  104. @Obs
    Only slightly OT: I saw a claim made in a Jim Goad column that blacks actually cost the US over $600 billion per annum. That's an astonishing number if true. Does anyone know who came up with this amount and how?

    Replies: @anon

    $600 billion per annum. That’s an astonishing number if true

    Agree, it is obviously too low.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  105. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Appreciate hearing from others, but I’ve noticed media trend on the Internet lately that I don’t think is random. It’s articles that say, “I’m black and I bought a gun for the first time.” After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights. Anyone else notice this?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Stephen Paul Foster, @JackOH, @anon, @Chris Mallory, @Dan, @europeasant, @Jesse, @Bill Jones, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Charlotte, @ATBOTL, @Mycale, @Gene Su

    Blacks and leftists have been buying guns a lot in recent years. It’s a trend that the conservative bubble isn’t aware of, they still think right wing whites are the only ones with guns. Leftists and blacks are organizing militias across the country now. Just to be clear, blacks are consciously and openly buying more guns to fight right wing whites, not to protect themselves from black criminals. This is a step in the balkanization of America will eventually lead to Civil War Two.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @ATBOTL

    This is exactly why I stopped instructing. You are exactly correct.

    , @Sandmich
    @ATBOTL

    Threats to our safety should not be taken lightly, but at the same time were I in charge of organizing some armed black irregulars for some spontaneous violence I'd be concerned of never making it out of the mustering area alive.

  106. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    "Blacks tend to be more “into the moment” than other races."
     
    Ultra-liberal former mayor of Cincinnati, Jerry Springer, would be horrified if someone accused him of being a racist. But when's the last time he had a white guest on his show? All these limo libs reveal their understanding that TV's a visual medium, and nothing's more histrionic than Shaniqua wrestling the weave off LaSondra's head.

    Daytime and syndicated TV these days is like taking a trip to Nairobi.

    Replies: @Ed Cottingham, @Buffalo Joe, @Currahee, @Wilkey

    Jerry Springer is such lowdown scum that I don’t think about him very often these days. But he really is the bottom.

  107. @J.Ross
    @Buffalo Joe

    I don't know if this is real or a brilliant satire but Cuomo appeared on the cover of a projected book: "Leadership Lessons From The Covid Crisis." Not actual samples: You see, forcing nursing homes to accept the infected burns the virus out and brings us closer to a safer mutation. And: Always viciously attack the federal government before accepting federal aid, you get more that way.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    J, Well cuomo does have a book deal on the table and it is not satirical but about his leadership during the Covid-19 pandemic. Really,not kidding. I await a book by another Empire State legend, watch for “How to Win the Superbowl” by Marv Levy. Marv was ok in his smarter than thou way, but Andrew carries that to another plateau. I did mention I loathe cuomo,right?

  108. OK I’ll confess my ignorance to whom/what does Emmanuel Trumpenstein refer?

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Malcolm Y

    It's a nod to Orwell's Emmanuel Goldstein in 1984, the scapegoat character and subject of the Two Minutes Hate sessions.

  109. You could also ask:

    Q – Why do European countries have an increasing number of rapes?
    A – ( ) patriarchy
    ( ) boys were never taught by feminists in school “not to rape”
    (x) Lots of Muslims, Africans and other non-whites invading.

    I found it strange to read some news about a 15-year old raped in a beach in Italy, and the relative silence of the media and feminists, then sure enough, the perps are Albanian and Egyptian “refugees”.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8636525/Italian-girl-15-raped-beach-two-unaccompanied-minors.html

    https://rmx.news/article/article/three-migrants-rape-15-year-old-italian-girl-on-lignano-beach

  110. @Reg Cæsar
    @Buffalo Joe


    It is almost impossible to get a permit just to purchase a handgun in NYS.
     
    In Erie County, perhaps now. But in other N.Y. counties named after an Indian nation, or US president, or Constitutional Convention delegate, or Revolutionary War hero? Hunting with pistols is legal in New York: https://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/28182.html

    A good rule of thumb is to assume ease of getting a N.Y. pistol permit is inversely proportional to your need for self-defense in any particular county. E'g', compare Kings or Queens with Franklin, Jefferson, or Greene.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @prosa123

    Reg, where are you? Upstate? Hard to get an application in EC. Have a great day.

  111. ” Blacks marinated in …. a culture of taking offense ……”.

    Lebanese cuisine is steeped with many exotic ways of preparing meat – no one can really marinate like a Maronite.

  112. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    "Blacks tend to be more “into the moment” than other races."
     
    Ultra-liberal former mayor of Cincinnati, Jerry Springer, would be horrified if someone accused him of being a racist. But when's the last time he had a white guest on his show? All these limo libs reveal their understanding that TV's a visual medium, and nothing's more histrionic than Shaniqua wrestling the weave off LaSondra's head.

    Daytime and syndicated TV these days is like taking a trip to Nairobi.

    Replies: @Ed Cottingham, @Buffalo Joe, @Currahee, @Wilkey

    Nan, nice post and somewhere here, today, there is a comment that says TV is more sophisticated today. Too funny.

    • Agree: JMcG
  113. @onetwothree
    In a real revolutionary situation, it is indeed those deer rifles that will be needed. Handguns are used about as much as kung fu in actual combat.

    Replies: @Paul Rise, @Joe Stalin, @Don't Look at Me

    Wind River did a nice example of the superiority of hunting rifles over handguns and automatic weapons.

  114. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    "Blacks tend to be more “into the moment” than other races."
     
    Ultra-liberal former mayor of Cincinnati, Jerry Springer, would be horrified if someone accused him of being a racist. But when's the last time he had a white guest on his show? All these limo libs reveal their understanding that TV's a visual medium, and nothing's more histrionic than Shaniqua wrestling the weave off LaSondra's head.

    Daytime and syndicated TV these days is like taking a trip to Nairobi.

    Replies: @Ed Cottingham, @Buffalo Joe, @Currahee, @Wilkey

    Betcha Springer never misses high holy days at temple.

  115. @JohnPlywood
    America doesn't really have a high murder rate. The murder rate is 4.9 per 100,000. That's in the same range as Western European countries. Eastern European countries, like Russia and Ukraine, have higher rates:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    Vietnam... 1.51
    Kyrgyzstan... 2.19
    Rwanda... 2.52
    Angola... 4.85
    USA... 4.96
    Mongolia... 6.19
    Ukraine... 6.20
    Russia... 8.21
    Saint Pierre et Miquelon (the most racially European islands on planet Earth)... 15.91

    ^ That ranking does not bode well for white nationalism. (Keep in mind that Ukraine, Russia, the USA and Saint Pierre are all much, much older and more geriatric than those Asian and African countries on that list.)


    And, in fact, the murder rate in America today is about half of what it was in 1979. In 1980, 23,000 people were murdered, when the population was 226 million. In 2019, just 16,000 people were murdered. The population that year, not including millions of illegals, was 328 million. Boomers and Gen X were the actual terrorists.. Not black people.

    During this time period, the black population remained stable, healthy, youthful and vibrant, the brown population increased sharply, and whites aged, stagnated, mildewed, and are now about to start shrinking, due to the infertility of their womenfolk.

    In the USA, the suicide rate significantly exceeds the murder rate:


    In 2018, there were 48,344 recorded suicides, up from 42,773 in 2014, according to the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS). On average, adjusted for age, the annual U.S. suicide rate increased 24% between 1999 and 2014, from 10.5 to 13.0 suicides per 100,000 people, the highest rate recorded in 28 years.
     
    Although neither could be called crises, over 40,000 suicides vs 16,000 murders begs the question: why is the alt-right incessantly complaining about the black murder rate of this country? It's a losing position that has never been met with even the faintest hope of political or social success. In my opinion, the alt-right fails to tackle the suicide rate because they know that the US suicide rate boils down primarily to firearms and toxic white culture, which means the Left was right. Gun ownership, alcohol and individualism (the last tenets of white "culture" to survive in to the 21st century) really are more dangerous to your health than negroes, who most white people do not live in close proximity to.


    So we're kind of in this awkward situation where we're stuck between taking the red pill, and actually admitting that there is no murder problem, or staying on the blue pill and continuing to complain about the non-existent black-on-white murder phenomenon, which is a losing position that has accomplshed nothing despite 30 years of complaining about it online.


    Honesty, it has been said, is the best policy. My way of thinking says it's time to admit that we don't care about dead people we neved met, and so we should stop incessantly complaining about these non-issues online, in the attempt to build political momentum to get black people deported or exterminated from North America (an objective that can never be accomplished by political means).

    Replies: @HA, @YetAnotherAnon, @Hippopotamusdrome

    “Saint Pierre et Miquelon (the most racially European islands on planet Earth)… 15.91”

    And smuggling hotspot for at least a century — funny how you overlooked that key plot element:

    This Tiny French Archipelago Became America’s Alcohol Warehouse During Prohibition

    Situated off the South coast of Newfoundland, St. Pierre-Miquelon, being a French possession, offers unusual opportunities for the smuggler to ply his illicit trade…Therefore St. Pierre is to-day the greatest smuggling centre in the world…

    In all these cases — and this goes for the south side of Chicago, too — you might want to at least try to factor out turf-wars by traffickers and other gangsters if you want a fair comparison of how murder-prone a given population is.

    • Agree: Matra
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @HA


    And smuggling hotspot for at least a century — funny how you overlooked that key plot element:

    This Tiny French Archipelago Became America’s Alcohol Warehouse During Prohibition
     
    Smuggling during America's Protestant Progressive hell of Prohibition is a feature, not a bug. Vive St-Pierre-et-Miquelon!
    , @utu
    @HA

    15.91 homicides/100,000 for Saint Pierre - Miquelon with population of 6,000 translates to 1 homicide per year. I am pretty sure that the stats will show years when homicides were 0 per 100,000 meaning that 10 year average is much lower than 15.91.


    https://knoema.com/UNODCHIS2015/unodc-international-homicide-statistics?tsId=1003900

    2006 0
    2007 0
    2008 16.00
    2009 15.91 (-0.62 % drop noted dutifully because of 0.62% population increase)
     
    In 2015 there was murder suicide involving a Canadian citizen:
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/details-emerge-of-alleged-murder-suicide-in-st-pierre-1.3165345

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

  116. @Franz

    Guns and blacks, especially blacks marinated in the African-American culture of taking offense, are not a good combination.
     
    More white racism.

    Any European country that lets Africans have close proximity to complicated stuff like blue steel, well-oiled revolvers or automatics is just pouring temptation all over 'em. Whitey's fault again.

    Reparations! For centuries of being around guns. Once blame whitey starts it never ends.

    Replies: @Currahee

    A while back, some prominent black blabbermouth (can’t remember who) said that ghetto violence is not the fault of the residents because the guns are manufactured elsewhere.
    Honest, that really happened. Maybe someone can remember who the idiot was.

  117. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Guns and blacks are not a good combination.
     
    Is there a black population that suffers gun restrictions and thus has a lower murder rate?

    Replies: @Kronos, @CJ

    Jails and Prisons? They typically have strict gun control measures.

    (For the record, they’re going through drug withdrawals and searching for a fix.)

    • Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @Kronos

    Yeah, their Firearm murders are down, but their Sharpened Toothbrush and Bits of Old Dumbbell murders are off the charts

  118. @flyingtiger
    @Arclight

    Blacks are too terrified to go to white areas like Indiana to get firearms. That's if they could figure out how to get there. The mob used to run guns to the blacks, but I am not sure if they are still doing that.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @ATBOTL

    Blacks are too terrified to go to white areas like Indiana to get firearms. That’s if they could figure out how to get there. The mob used to run guns to the blacks, but I am not sure if they are still doing that.

    What a clueless old boomer comment. Blacks are not scared to go anywhere now. Indianapolis is a black city. All of the guns in the ghetto are purchased in red states by black straw buyers. There is no “mob” anymore and blacks have their own totally independent criminal networks. I notice many of the comments here are full of outdated assumptions. Older white conservatives are not aware of how things have changed. The guy who said that under 40 aged leftists don’t care about gun control is right. They all think the left needs guns and militias to fight right wing whites. Older white conservatives are whistling past the graveyard, certain that their opponents are incompetent, even as their opponents take control of the streets with rioting mobs backed by armed militias — and the police.

    We are in the early stages of Civil War Two now.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @ATBOTL

    What a clueless old boomer comment. Blacks are not scared to go anywhere now.

    I don't know if it is fear that motivates them but they still mainly stick to their turf.

    They are more likely to rob a cousin than drive out to the burbs.

    Blacks are creatures of habit more than any other group.

    Random home invasions by Black criminals are actually quite rare.

    All of the guns in the ghetto are purchased in red states by black straw buyers.

    People of all races do it to make quick cash. But it's a really bad idea since the Feds have informants and you will do serious time.

    Most of the local straw buys are actually from girlfriends or family members.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Rob McX

  119. @Redneck farmer
    Back a couple of decades ago, British criminologist Colin Greenwood observed that you were more likely to be stabbed in Britain,but you were more likely to be stabbed to death in America. So the American underclass is harder working than the British one?

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Rob McX

    American stabbing victims are skinnier?

  120. @Altai
    @Muggles

    The people in Portland aren't normal protestors, they are a collection of people varying shades of cluster B personality disorders for whom this is partly a recreational activity. The core of them are antifa cultists which also seems to act like a magnet for people with cluster B personality disorders.

    Most people at political protests regard them as a chore or a duty, for them this is fun.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_B_personality_disorders

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pVpCOzZNNMA/Vsh2-uSpdXI/AAAAAAAAAM8/5U9wDpp6qKY/s1600/cluster+b.jpg

    Replies: @Kronos

    You might get a kick out of these weird people going into this gun store. (I believe it takes place in Portland.)

    The owner records everything and it’s bizarre that it’s not satire. The weird people fit all the stereotypes of potential Antifa supporters. One thing I’ve noticed since watching multiple videos of different people going into this store is this strange thrill they radiate. I guess if your a progressive, going into a gun store is akin to attending a porno theater/sex shop in the 1970s. Typically, you’d never want to be caught dead in there from fear of damaging one’s social standing. A gun store sells masculinity, something that’s a schedule I narcotic these days. So 50 years onwards the script has been switched. Gun stores are the new porno theaters of the last era.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Kronos

    Leftists (not liberals) like guns. They have no problem with gun ownership. "Arm the people" is an old left-wing rallying cry. However it's not in their interest to say so publicly at this time while there's still a possibility of talking their opponents into disarming themselves.

    Replies: @Kronos, @John Johnson, @Joe Stalin

  121. @JohnPlywood
    America doesn't really have a high murder rate. The murder rate is 4.9 per 100,000. That's in the same range as Western European countries. Eastern European countries, like Russia and Ukraine, have higher rates:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    Vietnam... 1.51
    Kyrgyzstan... 2.19
    Rwanda... 2.52
    Angola... 4.85
    USA... 4.96
    Mongolia... 6.19
    Ukraine... 6.20
    Russia... 8.21
    Saint Pierre et Miquelon (the most racially European islands on planet Earth)... 15.91

    ^ That ranking does not bode well for white nationalism. (Keep in mind that Ukraine, Russia, the USA and Saint Pierre are all much, much older and more geriatric than those Asian and African countries on that list.)


    And, in fact, the murder rate in America today is about half of what it was in 1979. In 1980, 23,000 people were murdered, when the population was 226 million. In 2019, just 16,000 people were murdered. The population that year, not including millions of illegals, was 328 million. Boomers and Gen X were the actual terrorists.. Not black people.

    During this time period, the black population remained stable, healthy, youthful and vibrant, the brown population increased sharply, and whites aged, stagnated, mildewed, and are now about to start shrinking, due to the infertility of their womenfolk.

    In the USA, the suicide rate significantly exceeds the murder rate:


    In 2018, there were 48,344 recorded suicides, up from 42,773 in 2014, according to the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS). On average, adjusted for age, the annual U.S. suicide rate increased 24% between 1999 and 2014, from 10.5 to 13.0 suicides per 100,000 people, the highest rate recorded in 28 years.
     
    Although neither could be called crises, over 40,000 suicides vs 16,000 murders begs the question: why is the alt-right incessantly complaining about the black murder rate of this country? It's a losing position that has never been met with even the faintest hope of political or social success. In my opinion, the alt-right fails to tackle the suicide rate because they know that the US suicide rate boils down primarily to firearms and toxic white culture, which means the Left was right. Gun ownership, alcohol and individualism (the last tenets of white "culture" to survive in to the 21st century) really are more dangerous to your health than negroes, who most white people do not live in close proximity to.


    So we're kind of in this awkward situation where we're stuck between taking the red pill, and actually admitting that there is no murder problem, or staying on the blue pill and continuing to complain about the non-existent black-on-white murder phenomenon, which is a losing position that has accomplshed nothing despite 30 years of complaining about it online.


    Honesty, it has been said, is the best policy. My way of thinking says it's time to admit that we don't care about dead people we neved met, and so we should stop incessantly complaining about these non-issues online, in the attempt to build political momentum to get black people deported or exterminated from North America (an objective that can never be accomplished by political means).

    Replies: @HA, @YetAnotherAnon, @Hippopotamusdrome

    “And, in fact, the murder rate in America today is about half of what it was in 1979.”

    Because judges started sending criminals to prison for long periods. It’s called incapacitation. You can’t murder so easily in jail, although they do try.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but the incarceration rate for blacks has decreased by about a third since 2006. It's whites who are being locked up now.


    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/05/06/share-of-black-white-hispanic-americans-in-prison-2018-vs-2006/


    Didn't you know that even your homeboy Donald Trump sees the value in letting black men out of jail? Literally no one is on your side. Abandon this failed ideological objective and join me in finding the bew strategy.

  122. @syonredux
    @James O'Meara


    Pete’s a rather violent man
     
    Scottish blood.....


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyCBuwaxdAw

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “Scottish blood…..”

    Don’t know the most recent figures, but 15 years ago Scotland had almost twice the homicide rate of England and Wales – which (considering the much lower percentage of minorities there) is an impressive feat.

  123. According to the NBA, it’s because of racism that is everywhere.

    This ad is playing during every half-time break.

  124. @syonredux
    The trailer for Kenneth Branagh's Woke-version of Death on the Nile is out. From the looks of things, quite a few characters have been Blacked:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM1U-Whb-P0

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Michael C

    I believe if i want to see this movie, I will watch the original version.

  125. @onetwothree
    In a real revolutionary situation, it is indeed those deer rifles that will be needed. Handguns are used about as much as kung fu in actual combat.

    Replies: @Paul Rise, @Joe Stalin, @Don't Look at Me

    MLK was done in with a Remington 760 30-06 Gamemaster.

    https://warisboring.com/the-gun-that-killed-martin-luther-king-jr/

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Joe Stalin

    Yeah, sure he was.

    , @prosa123
    @Joe Stalin

    The Remington 760, now known as the 7600, is an interesting firearm, being the only pump action centerfire rifle in regular production today. It has long had a loyal following among hunters in Pennsylvania.
    Ray originally had purchased a rifle, I'm not sure if it was a 760 or not, in caliber .243 (6mm), but decided he wanted something more powerful and exchanged it for the .30-06. An unnecessary step, as the .243 would have been just as deadly.

    Speaking of Remington, the financially troubled company's planned acquisition by the Navajo tribe has fallen apart. Tribal leadership was all for it, but the plan faced heavy opposition from tribal members, who pointed out that spending millions of dollars at the present time was a terrible idea given that the virus has hit the reservation harder than almost anywhere else in the world.

  126. @Dr. X

    Hillary was into gun control last time, which definitely didn’t help her in the Deer Hunter states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin... Joe Biden, age 77, isn’t the sharpest nominee in the toolshed, but he’s probably not as stupid as Hillary in 2016.
     
    Wrong. Biden already said he's coming for your guns:

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/05/biden-going-to-come-for-guns/

    Replies: @David In TN, @Thirdtwin, @Russ

    During the primaries Biden made a big issue of “coming for your guns.”

  127. iSteve’s premise has a problem. The murder rate among US blacks is higher for all typical weapons such as knives, bats and feet / fists. Pretty sure the availability of feet and fists in Detroit is just about the same as in Zurich.

    There is a genetic issue involved; what percentage of a population carries this gene?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A

    Short time preference plus higher circulating levels of T plus MOAI plus poor impulse control plus mean IQ of 85. Those are the factors. Objects in the vicinity are incidental – a tire iron or an axe handle or a gun or a gallon of gasoline….just objects.

    Socialization of people can lengthen out the time preference bit, improve the impulse control a bit. Teaching young men to control themselves is an endless and nearly thankless job, keeping young men away from really stupid and dangerous people…ditto.

    Libtards would literally rather die than admit that the blank slate is false, or admit that much of US culture is purely destructive. So there we are.

    tl;dr It’s not the guns. It’s the people holding them.

  128. @Dr. X

    Hillary was into gun control last time, which definitely didn’t help her in the Deer Hunter states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin... Joe Biden, age 77, isn’t the sharpest nominee in the toolshed, but he’s probably not as stupid as Hillary in 2016.
     
    Wrong. Biden already said he's coming for your guns:

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/05/biden-going-to-come-for-guns/

    Replies: @David In TN, @Thirdtwin, @Russ

    “Biden already said he’s coming for your guns.”

    Bernie doesn’t want to take away our guns, and he also doesn’t want to defund the police, which Biden said should be done. Good thing the Democrats locked Bernie out, let Joe steal all Bernie’s radical policies and then let Joe go even farther left.

  129. If you take away guns somehow, blacks will use other weapons. Knives bricks, stone, crobars will kill. It is possible that the murder rate will increase if guns are banned.

    • Replies: @anon
    @flyingtiger

    Happy Land was one of the worst mass murders in the 1990's. 87 people died. The weapon? Gasoline.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @botazefa
    @flyingtiger


    If you take away guns somehow, blacks will use other weapons.
     
    Yes, but once the crowbar is thrown it takes some time to reload. Accidental crowbars hitting children in random crowbar throwing incidents are considerably less likely.

    Regardless of where one stands on the 2nd Amendment, the rapid hurling of deadly projectiles is a function of only guns. Therefore, no guns less murders. That's an issue that is hard to grapple with and is emotionally loaded, so to speak.

    Personally, it's a tradeoff I accept.

  130. @Achmed E. Newman
    Tough call, Steve. Joe Biden may not be as stupid as the Hildabeast was in '16, but he is more demented. He may blurt our something about "this is why we need to take the guns ..." too quickly for his handlers to activate the shock collar. You can't take him anywhere.

    To NJTC, the NRA has been drilling that point in for years. There are plenty of blacks who could use a self-defense gun badly. I don't know how much training they do though.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Ach, laugh of the day…”to quickly for his handlers to activate the shock collar.” Blacks need flack jackets more tha guns.

  131. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Guns and blacks are not a good combination.
     
    Is there a black population that suffers gun restrictions and thus has a lower murder rate?

    Replies: @Kronos, @CJ

    Is there a black population that suffers gun restrictions and thus has a lower murder rate?

    I would say Cuba, with the caveat that the statistics of communist countries aren’t worth the low-grade paper they’re printed on.

  132. @Chris Mallory
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights.
     
    These types are usually the "I would rather see my son raped and my wife murdered than be called a racist" conservatives. The next words out of their mouths are usually "The Democrats are the real racists."

    Joe Biden, age 77, isn’t the sharpest nominee in the toolshed, but he’s probably not as stupid as Hillary in 2016.
     
    That is not a bet I would take. Biden has been quite strident about his plans to disarm Americans. Even The Washington Post came out and said his plan would be "terrible for working class firearms owners".

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    That is not a bet I would take. Biden has been quite strident about his plans to disarm Americans.

    Who would oppose disarming African-Amerians? Many states did in the 19th century, and much of post-Fourteenth Amendment gun law is slyly written to do so.

    If you believe blacks have a right to self-defense, then you disagree with Justice Taney. But he thought they didn’t have any right to be here at all, i.e., they were by definition illegal aliens.

    Even The Washington Post came out and said his plan would be “terrible for working class firearms owners”.

    Just about all “working class” in the District, firearms owners or otherwise, are black.

    Dick Heller was very unusual, and the last choice for the lawyers taking his case before the Supreme Court. The other appellants were black, mostly female, and thus more optically desirable. But they didn’t have “standing”, as they were not turned down for permit applications. They hadn’t bothered to apply at all. Why bother?

  133. @Anon
    @Muggles


    The “Texas Tribune” is an online only lib/Dem/SJW/Prog project whose funding has yet to be analyzed as far as I can tell.
     
    https://www.texastribune.org/support-us/donors-and-members/

    Pretty impressive disclosure: Down to the “Less than $10” level.

    They seem to be completely funded by donations, so in effect they are working for their big donors. The donors don’t seem to be politically tendentious, but on the other hand in today’s climate one or two “problematic” articles or incidents and donors will dump you. O’Sullivan’s law applies: Unless a donor-supported news outlet is explicitly hard-core conservative, it will need to behave in a progressive manner.

    Replies: @Muggles

    >>They seem to be completely funded by donations, so in effect they are working for their big donors<$200 in federal elections) will likely highly correlate with TT donors. Austin tech millionaires and education mafia tax feeders will also be prominent. I took a quick peak at their online list and it’s the huge corrupt leftist controlled foundations that shower money on them. Millions.

    There may be a few clueless “moderates” or “good journalism” types, but not many. I suspect TT were given access to lefty/prog email lists or even postal mailing lists by Dem leaning fronts and their allies.

    I read the TT stuff in the Houston Chronic and it is always anti GOP, pro Dem/Prog baloney. Now most state politicians in Texas are currently Republican, so they are legitimate fair game. But many of the TT articles are whining about treatment of illegal migrants and any and every effort to limit taxes or government overreach. The TT is just another prog front masquerading as something they are not.

    The real tragedy is that conservative/GOP elites fail to do the same.

  134. • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anonymous


    Don’t forget rapes. Lots and lots of rapes…
     
    And opportunistic looting. Lots and lots of opportunistic looting...

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8643491/Woman-42-drives-CAR-Home-Depot-steals-leaf-blower.html
  135. @Kronos
    @Altai

    You might get a kick out of these weird people going into this gun store. (I believe it takes place in Portland.)

    https://youtu.be/NB1qI7DrH6Y

    The owner records everything and it’s bizarre that it’s not satire. The weird people fit all the stereotypes of potential Antifa supporters. One thing I’ve noticed since watching multiple videos of different people going into this store is this strange thrill they radiate. I guess if your a progressive, going into a gun store is akin to attending a porno theater/sex shop in the 1970s. Typically, you’d never want to be caught dead in there from fear of damaging one’s social standing. A gun store sells masculinity, something that’s a schedule I narcotic these days. So 50 years onwards the script has been switched. Gun stores are the new porno theaters of the last era.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Leftists (not liberals) like guns. They have no problem with gun ownership. “Arm the people” is an old left-wing rallying cry. However it’s not in their interest to say so publicly at this time while there’s still a possibility of talking their opponents into disarming themselves.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Anonymous

    Fair enough.

    That was a gross over-generalization on my part. It’s like characterizing all factions of the Republican Party of supporting free trade (something Ross Perot and Pat Buchanan had deep reservations about.)

    I really need to get one of these...

    https://youtu.be/Cyyw2QhlGmg

    , @John Johnson
    @Anonymous

    Leftists (not liberals) like guns. They have no problem with gun ownership. “Arm the people” is an old left-wing rallying cry.

    We have a left-wing gun owners group in our state and they are tiny. The gay club has more members.

    Leftists are against gun ownership because they correctly assess that the opposition is more likely to use them.

    Communists only supported gun ownership until they took over.

    So it's similar to how they feel about free speech. They are support its use when directed against the system but would never allow it under leftist control.

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Anonymous


    Leftists (not liberals) like guns. They have no problem with gun ownership. “Arm the people” is an old left-wing rallying cry. However it’s not in their interest to say so publicly at this time while there’s still a possibility of talking their opponents into disarming themselves.
     
    https://youtu.be/YVuf3T3k-W0?t=2160
    [36:00]

    Replies: @anon, @John Johnson

  136. Blacks tend to be more “into the moment” than other races.

    A side effect to think a lot about the future is that asians and whites are more neurotic.

  137. @theMann
    Central American countries have few Blacks and even fewer guns in civilian hands, and their murder rates are astronomical, as is Mexico's. USA murder rate in the 50's was maybe 1000 people a year, very little of it Black on Black crime.

    There is no evidence that Blacks + guns automatically equals crime, but a lot of evidence illegitimacy and drugs automatically equal crime.

    And even more evidence that without a functioning legal presence to fairly, but ruthlessly, enforce laws, you can pretty much count on a high crime rate.

    Replies: @Ian Smith

    Blacks are criminal everywhere. In the US, in the UK (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/oct/11/black-prison-population-increase-england),
    in the Caribbean, in Africa. I used to go on about muh welfare, muh black family and so on. The illegitimacy and drugs are symptoms, not causes, of black behavior.

    • Replies: @Alice in Wonderland
    @Ian Smith

    Have blacks ever been subject to extreme penalties for an extended period like Europeans were? I am thinking of the Bloody Code in 18th century England that saw many hanged for burglary. That is pretty strong selection against criminality.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Code

    Replies: @John Johnson

  138. @anonymous
    Don't forget rapes. Lots and lots of rapes...

    https://variety.com/2020/film/news/cuba-gooding-jr-accused-rape-1234739118/?cx_testId=49&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=3#cxrecs_s

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Don’t forget rapes. Lots and lots of rapes…

    And opportunistic looting. Lots and lots of opportunistic looting…

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8643491/Woman-42-drives-CAR-Home-Depot-steals-leaf-blower.html

  139. @Anonymous
    Meanwhile NYC blacks made a spectacular gain yesterday against Chicago's black body count for the week. Chicago better get their game up by the end of tonight if they don’t want to get whooped. They need to get those black bodies to piling, or NYC's going to make them look like South Dakota!

    https://nypost.com/2020/08/18/seven-men-shot-one-fatally-in-three-hour-span-across-nyc/

    Replies: @El Dato

    Those people probably tweeted something demeaning about BLM or Floyd in the weeks before they took a bullet, so it’s justified.

  140. @flyingtiger
    If you take away guns somehow, blacks will use other weapons. Knives bricks, stone, crobars will kill. It is possible that the murder rate will increase if guns are banned.

    Replies: @anon, @botazefa

    Happy Land was one of the worst mass murders in the 1990’s. 87 people died. The weapon? Gasoline.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    Arson can run up the really big death tolls, like IIRC 95 at a Catholic school in Chicago in the 1950s.

    It sure is reassuring that Antifa attracts firebugs and they are getting so much practice.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Wilkey, @stillCARealist

  141. @Wake up
    In Philadelphia, Black Police Commissioner Danielle Outlaw is calling for stricter gun laws. Of course, she doesn’t mention that the rising carnage is due to people who look like her. Once again, blame the guns and not the shooters. By the way, how are those tough gun laws working in Chicongo?

    Replies: @Eric Novak

    Chicago doesn’t have tough gun laws. Chicago is in Illinois, which passed a CCW law in 2013. The law went into effect in Feb. 2014. Since the issuing of CCLs began in 2014, Chicago’s rates of murder and violent crime have exploded in the hood. The “Chicago gun control meme” is Kuckservative klowning in high gear, placing the blame on non-existent gun control and off of blacks.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Eric Novak


    Chicago doesn’t have tough gun laws. Chicago is in Illinois, which passed a CCW law in 2013. The law went into effect in Feb. 2014. Since the issuing of CCLs began in 2014, Chicago’s rates of murder and violent crime have exploded in the hood.

     

    Illinois CCL are required to carry any pistol whatsoever. An Illinois FOID is needed to buy the ammunition for a pistol. Both require fingerprinting, a check by the police, and training. It's all money and time. Gangbangers have the time, but not the money, and not the clean record either.

    So your narrative of "after, therefore because of" is gaslighting, no more. The killers in Chicago don't have CCL or FOID. See https://www.ispfsb.com/
    I have to remember that if a liberal says that grass is green and water is wet, we must be in the middle of a blizzard: grass is dead and water is ice. If you care about what a liberal says, check it thoroughly.

    What the CCL and FOID do is discourage gangbangers from leaving the areas they dominate and moving into the suburbs/rural areas. News stories about such arrests are not uncommon.

    And, of course, the State government is revealing how close they are to complete fools wrt COVID-19 and CCW/FOID: https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/illinois-ccl-holders-wear-masks/

    Replies: @Eric Novak

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Eric Novak


    Chicago doesn’t have tough gun laws.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Illinois#Local_laws
  142. @flyingtiger
    If you take away guns somehow, blacks will use other weapons. Knives bricks, stone, crobars will kill. It is possible that the murder rate will increase if guns are banned.

    Replies: @anon, @botazefa

    If you take away guns somehow, blacks will use other weapons.

    Yes, but once the crowbar is thrown it takes some time to reload. Accidental crowbars hitting children in random crowbar throwing incidents are considerably less likely.

    Regardless of where one stands on the 2nd Amendment, the rapid hurling of deadly projectiles is a function of only guns. Therefore, no guns less murders. That’s an issue that is hard to grapple with and is emotionally loaded, so to speak.

    Personally, it’s a tradeoff I accept.

  143. @Reg Cæsar
    @syonredux


    He’s being ironic, yes? I would like to think that a man who studied philosophy at Harvard knows the meaning of “demotic.”
     
    The term is usually, indeed almost always, used in connection with New Testament exegesis. In other words, a Sephard at a modern Ivy is unlikely to come across it, even in philosophy.

    David Freiheit is a lawyer in Montreal, and claims never to have met the word paucity until he heard it from Dr Anthony Fauci in a Congressional hearing. He turned that ignorance into a weapon to discredit Fauci when the latter attempted to scale Rep. McKinley.


    On the other hand, an Oxford grad once asked me to define “liminal” after I used it at a seminar…...
     
    Because he didn't know the meaning, or because he didn't know your meaning? After all, you are twice as elliptic as anyone else who comments here!

    Replies: @syonredux

    On the other hand, an Oxford grad once asked me to define “liminal” after I used it at a seminar……

    Because he didn’t know the meaning, or because he didn’t know your meaning?

    The former. I was not engaging in the post-modern game where scholars invent/distort words. I was discussing the frontispiece to Bacon’s Instauratio Magna and made reference to the aptness of its “liminal imagery.”

    Afterwards, my Oxonian colleague remarked that he was unfamiliar with the word and asked me to enlighten him.

    And, in case anyone is curious, here’s the dictionary definition:

    liminal

    (ˈlɪmɪnəl ; ˈlaɪmɪnəl )
    ADJECTIVE
    1. Physiology and Psychology
    of or at the limen, or threshold
    2. at a boundary or transitional point between two conditions, stages in a process, ways of life, etc.

    After all, you are twice as elliptic as anyone else who comments here!

    Only twice? I must be slipping!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @syonredux

    Subliminal is well-known.

    What about superliminal? Is that Steve?

  144. @brabantian
    Well actually the USA has the 4th lowest murder rate in all of the Americas, both North and South ... only Canada, Chile and Cuba are lower

    And most of those higher-rate murder countries throughout the Americas, have stricter 'gun control' laws, such as Mexico whose murder rate has been 3x the USA. Even countries people think of as 'peaceful' such as Costa Rica, has a murder rate 2.5x the USA.

    The moral is that, once a society tips over into a certain level of violence - which seems to be associated with multi-ethnic roots, more than poverty - the guns actually prevent a lot of crime

    Consider Brasil, where Bolsonaro's combination of tougher, go-ahead-and-shoot-the-bad-guys policing, plus more liberal, easier gun ownership, has been reducing the massive violent crime in Brasil

    It is clearly not the guns. In continental Europe - tho most Americans don't know it, confused and misled by Britain's 1990s confiscation of all handguns - there are tens of millions of legally-owned civilian handguns, shotguns and rifles, tho not the 'carry' laws like in the USA.

    And although having the 2nd highest continental rate of gun ownership in the world, Europe is the continent with the lowest murder and crime rates ... tho that has been climbing along with diversity

    White Americans, despite all their hundreds of millions of guns, have overall a murder rate not far from that of white Europeans

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @Joe Pescadillo, @Rahan

    If one took the murder statistics for a typical mainly white small city and compared it to the murder statistics of a comparable sized mainly white Canadian city, the statistics probably wouldn’t be that different.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Joe Pescadillo

    'If one took the murder statistics for a typical mainly white small city and compared it to the murder statistics of a comparable sized mainly white Canadian city, the statistics probably wouldn’t be that different.'

    I looked into that, once. If I recall aright, US rates for such comparisons are somewhat higher, but not spectacularly so.

    It's worth noting Canadians all seem to act like they're on tranquilizers. They're just not as excitable.

    Obviously, guns make it easier to kill people -- but they're really not the problem.

    Blacks are.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  145. @Known Fact
    Hate Crime Alert:

    Guns may be dangerous in the wrong hands but so is your phone, especially if you don't type very accurately or bother to proofread ...

    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/charlotte-hornets-suspend-radio-announcer-n-word-during-nuggets-jazz-game

    Be warned that r is right next to t on the keyboard, and u is right next to i.

    Replies: @Cortes

    “Nugget” is a synonym of “arsehole” in western Scotland, and perhaps elsewhere.

  146. @syonredux
    @Reg Cæsar


    On the other hand, an Oxford grad once asked me to define “liminal” after I used it at a seminar……

    Because he didn’t know the meaning, or because he didn’t know your meaning?
     

    The former. I was not engaging in the post-modern game where scholars invent/distort words. I was discussing the frontispiece to Bacon's Instauratio Magna and made reference to the aptness of its "liminal imagery."


    https://www.princeton.edu/~his291/Jpegs/Instauratio.JPG


    Afterwards, my Oxonian colleague remarked that he was unfamiliar with the word and asked me to enlighten him.

    And, in case anyone is curious, here's the dictionary definition:

    liminal


    (ˈlɪmɪnəl ; ˈlaɪmɪnəl )
    ADJECTIVE
    1. Physiology and Psychology
    of or at the limen, or threshold
    2. at a boundary or transitional point between two conditions, stages in a process, ways of life, etc.


    After all, you are twice as elliptic as anyone else who comments here!

     

    Only twice? I must be slipping!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Subliminal is well-known.

    What about superliminal? Is that Steve?

  147. @syonredux
    He's being ironic, yes? I would like to think that a man who studied philosophy at Harvard knows the meaning of "demotic." On the other hand, an Oxford grad once asked me to define "liminal" after I used it at a seminar.....

    Matty Yglesias:"I don’t know what “demotic” means so that’s maybe part of the problem."

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1296096645654941696

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @CJ

    More likely than not, he really doesn’t know what demotic means.

    A lot of people don’t understand how badly education has deteriorated.

  148. @anon
    @flyingtiger

    Happy Land was one of the worst mass murders in the 1990's. 87 people died. The weapon? Gasoline.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Arson can run up the really big death tolls, like IIRC 95 at a Catholic school in Chicago in the 1950s.

    It sure is reassuring that Antifa attracts firebugs and they are getting so much practice.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Steve Sailer

    The biggest mass murder in my Connecticut hometown, back in the early 1980's, was a case of arson. Some schmuck was angry at his teenaged niece for booting him out of her family's apartment because he was drunk, and decided to get back at her by starting a fire outside her door. Unfortunately, she lived in a grotesquely overcrowded run-down apartment house, which had been exempt from smoke detector and other fire safety requirements on account of its age,* and residents had barricaded a rear exit door because of constant burglaries. It went up quickly and 14 people were unable to escape. The perpetrator, Israel Madera, got life without parole, and died in prison about a decade ago.

    * = the state very quickly changed its laws to eliminate that grandfather clause

    , @Wilkey
    @Steve Sailer


    Arson can run up the really big death tolls, like IIRC 95 at a Catholic school in Chicago in the 1950s.
     
    The Our Lady of the Angels fire in 1958. Among the survivors was Jonathan Cain of the rock band Journey.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @stillCARealist
    @Steve Sailer

    Happy Land, NYC, 1990. Arson becomes mass murder.

  149. “Blacks tend to be more “into the moment” than other races.”

    So, more or less your opinion, rather than based on scientific evidence, Mr. Sailer.

    “Are the Democrats going to run on any issues this year other than hatred for Emmanuel Trumpenstein?”

    I don’t know, did Republicans run on any issues in 2016 other than their utter contempt for Shitlery Clinton?

    The fact of the matter is that a good number of Americans, conservative and liberal, have specific, legitimate reasons why they oppose the policies of Trump. But that would take good to honest NOTICING on your part, rather than being cagey.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Corvinus

    '“Blacks tend to be more “into the moment” than other races.”

    So, more or less your opinion, rather than based on scientific evidence, Mr. Sailer.'

    He probably thinks dogs like to chase cats, too.

    , @Anonymous
    @Corvinus


    “Blacks tend to be more “into the moment” than other races.”

    So, more or less your opinion, rather than based on scientific evidence, Mr. Sailer.
     
    And it's, more or less your opinion, rather than based on scientific evidence, that“Blacks tend to be more “into the moment” than other races.” is more or less "Mr. Sailer's" opinion, rather than based on scientific evidence".

    Great example of pilpul.
    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pilpul
    which can cause serious problems:
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what-is-pilpul-and-why-on_b_507522

    Of course, it's only my opinion that the above is important. Your opinion may vary, but of course that's only your opinion. In my opinion, your opinion about my opinion may be incorrect, and you opinion may be in accordance with mine in that regard. However, it's only your opinion, at least in my opinion is is, not that either of us have scientific proof.

    Of course, in my opinion it might be difficult to conduct a scientific experiment and construct a scientific model of pilpul, but that's just my opinion. Would you like to prove me wrong and conduct just one scientific experiment in which pilpul's properties are measured quantitatively? I'd be very interested in the subsequent paper. Of course, the scientific nature of the paper might be a matter of opinion, there being no instruments for measuring the scientific nature of a paper, and your opinion may be different from mine, at least in your opinion, so maybe pilpul would still manage to be separate from reality should you actually try for a scientific experiment that measured some property of pilpul.

    So: I'll make a request: Please continue illustrating just how useless pilpul is.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  150. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Appreciate hearing from others, but I’ve noticed media trend on the Internet lately that I don’t think is random. It’s articles that say, “I’m black and I bought a gun for the first time.” After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights. Anyone else notice this?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Stephen Paul Foster, @JackOH, @anon, @Chris Mallory, @Dan, @europeasant, @Jesse, @Bill Jones, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Charlotte, @ATBOTL, @Mycale, @Gene Su

    Yes, of course, the media has been talking up the white supremacist menace for a long time, they’ve been trying to do it for months now (first with anti-lockdown protestors, then with anti-rioters), but it hasn’t really stuck. They’ll keep trying though, and it will get ratcheted up intensely if Kamala wins. They do want those new gun owners to point their guns at someone eventually of course.

    Of course, conservatives are going alone with it, because they’re dumb. It’s part of the based black man phenomenon, where conservatives play identity politics by surrogate – he’s a CivNat like all good white Americans, but based black man can have a gun and talk about what’s good for his people, the Arab business owner can put up a “minority owned” sign so his business doesn’t get set on fire (ignoring the obvious implication that white owned businesses are fair game), Jews can have his ethnostate, and of course the blonde bimbo can wear a MAGA hat and a bikini while she shoots an AR-15.

  151. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Eric Novak
    @Wake up

    Chicago doesn’t have tough gun laws. Chicago is in Illinois, which passed a CCW law in 2013. The law went into effect in Feb. 2014. Since the issuing of CCLs began in 2014, Chicago’s rates of murder and violent crime have exploded in the hood. The “Chicago gun control meme” is Kuckservative klowning in high gear, placing the blame on non-existent gun control and off of blacks.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar

    Chicago doesn’t have tough gun laws. Chicago is in Illinois, which passed a CCW law in 2013. The law went into effect in Feb. 2014. Since the issuing of CCLs began in 2014, Chicago’s rates of murder and violent crime have exploded in the hood.

    Illinois CCL are required to carry any pistol whatsoever. An Illinois FOID is needed to buy the ammunition for a pistol. Both require fingerprinting, a check by the police, and training. It’s all money and time. Gangbangers have the time, but not the money, and not the clean record either.

    So your narrative of “after, therefore because of” is gaslighting, no more. The killers in Chicago don’t have CCL or FOID. See https://www.ispfsb.com/
    I have to remember that if a liberal says that grass is green and water is wet, we must be in the middle of a blizzard: grass is dead and water is ice. If you care about what a liberal says, check it thoroughly.

    What the CCL and FOID do is discourage gangbangers from leaving the areas they dominate and moving into the suburbs/rural areas. News stories about such arrests are not uncommon.

    And, of course, the State government is revealing how close they are to complete fools wrt COVID-19 and CCW/FOID: https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/illinois-ccl-holders-wear-masks/

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
    @Anonymous

    You don’t even know what “gaslighting” means, Boomer. Try getting the SAT practice books from ‘72 and then re-reading my post. You blather on like a dummy who can’t find a point in a topic.

    Replies: @By-tor

  152. @Corvinus
    "Blacks tend to be more “into the moment” than other races."

    So, more or less your opinion, rather than based on scientific evidence, Mr. Sailer.

    "Are the Democrats going to run on any issues this year other than hatred for Emmanuel Trumpenstein?"

    I don't know, did Republicans run on any issues in 2016 other than their utter contempt for Shitlery Clinton?

    The fact of the matter is that a good number of Americans, conservative and liberal, have specific, legitimate reasons why they oppose the policies of Trump. But that would take good to honest NOTICING on your part, rather than being cagey.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Anonymous

    ‘“Blacks tend to be more “into the moment” than other races.”

    So, more or less your opinion, rather than based on scientific evidence, Mr. Sailer.’

    He probably thinks dogs like to chase cats, too.

  153. @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    Arson can run up the really big death tolls, like IIRC 95 at a Catholic school in Chicago in the 1950s.

    It sure is reassuring that Antifa attracts firebugs and they are getting so much practice.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Wilkey, @stillCARealist

    The biggest mass murder in my Connecticut hometown, back in the early 1980’s, was a case of arson. Some schmuck was angry at his teenaged niece for booting him out of her family’s apartment because he was drunk, and decided to get back at her by starting a fire outside her door. Unfortunately, she lived in a grotesquely overcrowded run-down apartment house, which had been exempt from smoke detector and other fire safety requirements on account of its age,* and residents had barricaded a rear exit door because of constant burglaries. It went up quickly and 14 people were unable to escape. The perpetrator, Israel Madera, got life without parole, and died in prison about a decade ago.

    * = the state very quickly changed its laws to eliminate that grandfather clause

  154. @Joe Pescadillo
    @brabantian

    If one took the murder statistics for a typical mainly white small city and compared it to the murder statistics of a comparable sized mainly white Canadian city, the statistics probably wouldn't be that different.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘If one took the murder statistics for a typical mainly white small city and compared it to the murder statistics of a comparable sized mainly white Canadian city, the statistics probably wouldn’t be that different.’

    I looked into that, once. If I recall aright, US rates for such comparisons are somewhat higher, but not spectacularly so.

    It’s worth noting Canadians all seem to act like they’re on tranquilizers. They’re just not as excitable.

    Obviously, guns make it easier to kill people — but they’re really not the problem.

    Blacks are.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Colin Wright


    It’s worth noting Canadians all seem to act like they’re on tranquilizers. They’re just not as excitable.
     
    Those who are come south and make it big as comics:

    https://www.thefamouspeople.com/canadian-comedians.php
  155. @HA
    @JohnPlywood

    "Saint Pierre et Miquelon (the most racially European islands on planet Earth)… 15.91"

    And smuggling hotspot for at least a century -- funny how you overlooked that key plot element:

    This Tiny French Archipelago Became America’s Alcohol Warehouse During Prohibition


    Situated off the South coast of Newfoundland, St. Pierre-Miquelon, being a French possession, offers unusual opportunities for the smuggler to ply his illicit trade...Therefore St. Pierre is to-day the greatest smuggling centre in the world...

    In all these cases -- and this goes for the south side of Chicago, too -- you might want to at least try to factor out turf-wars by traffickers and other gangsters if you want a fair comparison of how murder-prone a given population is.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @utu

    And smuggling hotspot for at least a century — funny how you overlooked that key plot element:

    This Tiny French Archipelago Became America’s Alcohol Warehouse During Prohibition

    Smuggling during America’s Protestant Progressive hell of Prohibition is a feature, not a bug. Vive St-Pierre-et-Miquelon!

  156. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "Blacks tend to be more “into the moment” than other races."

    So, more or less your opinion, rather than based on scientific evidence, Mr. Sailer.

    "Are the Democrats going to run on any issues this year other than hatred for Emmanuel Trumpenstein?"

    I don't know, did Republicans run on any issues in 2016 other than their utter contempt for Shitlery Clinton?

    The fact of the matter is that a good number of Americans, conservative and liberal, have specific, legitimate reasons why they oppose the policies of Trump. But that would take good to honest NOTICING on your part, rather than being cagey.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Anonymous

    “Blacks tend to be more “into the moment” than other races.”

    So, more or less your opinion, rather than based on scientific evidence, Mr. Sailer.

    And it’s, more or less your opinion, rather than based on scientific evidence, that“Blacks tend to be more “into the moment” than other races.” is more or less “Mr. Sailer’s” opinion, rather than based on scientific evidence”.

    Great example of pilpul.
    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pilpul
    which can cause serious problems:
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what-is-pilpul-and-why-on_b_507522

    Of course, it’s only my opinion that the above is important. Your opinion may vary, but of course that’s only your opinion. In my opinion, your opinion about my opinion may be incorrect, and you opinion may be in accordance with mine in that regard. However, it’s only your opinion, at least in my opinion is is, not that either of us have scientific proof.

    Of course, in my opinion it might be difficult to conduct a scientific experiment and construct a scientific model of pilpul, but that’s just my opinion. Would you like to prove me wrong and conduct just one scientific experiment in which pilpul’s properties are measured quantitatively? I’d be very interested in the subsequent paper. Of course, the scientific nature of the paper might be a matter of opinion, there being no instruments for measuring the scientific nature of a paper, and your opinion may be different from mine, at least in your opinion, so maybe pilpul would still manage to be separate from reality should you actually try for a scientific experiment that measured some property of pilpul.

    So: I’ll make a request: Please continue illustrating just how useless pilpul is.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Anonymous

    "So: I’ll make a request: Please continue illustrating just how useless pilpul is."

    Well, you got triggered and demonstrated the concept yourself. And you also were kind enough to offer a red herring to boot.

  157. @Colin Wright
    @Joe Pescadillo

    'If one took the murder statistics for a typical mainly white small city and compared it to the murder statistics of a comparable sized mainly white Canadian city, the statistics probably wouldn’t be that different.'

    I looked into that, once. If I recall aright, US rates for such comparisons are somewhat higher, but not spectacularly so.

    It's worth noting Canadians all seem to act like they're on tranquilizers. They're just not as excitable.

    Obviously, guns make it easier to kill people -- but they're really not the problem.

    Blacks are.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It’s worth noting Canadians all seem to act like they’re on tranquilizers. They’re just not as excitable.

    Those who are come south and make it big as comics:

    https://www.thefamouspeople.com/canadian-comedians.php

  158. @Malcolm Y
    OK I'll confess my ignorance to whom/what does Emmanuel Trumpenstein refer?

    Replies: @Rob McX

    It’s a nod to Orwell’s Emmanuel Goldstein in 1984, the scapegoat character and subject of the Two Minutes Hate sessions.

  159. @Anonymous
    @Kronos

    Leftists (not liberals) like guns. They have no problem with gun ownership. "Arm the people" is an old left-wing rallying cry. However it's not in their interest to say so publicly at this time while there's still a possibility of talking their opponents into disarming themselves.

    Replies: @Kronos, @John Johnson, @Joe Stalin

    Fair enough.

    That was a gross over-generalization on my part. It’s like characterizing all factions of the Republican Party of supporting free trade (something Ross Perot and Pat Buchanan had deep reservations about.)

    I really need to get one of these…

  160. @JohnPlywood
    America doesn't really have a high murder rate. The murder rate is 4.9 per 100,000. That's in the same range as Western European countries. Eastern European countries, like Russia and Ukraine, have higher rates:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    Vietnam... 1.51
    Kyrgyzstan... 2.19
    Rwanda... 2.52
    Angola... 4.85
    USA... 4.96
    Mongolia... 6.19
    Ukraine... 6.20
    Russia... 8.21
    Saint Pierre et Miquelon (the most racially European islands on planet Earth)... 15.91

    ^ That ranking does not bode well for white nationalism. (Keep in mind that Ukraine, Russia, the USA and Saint Pierre are all much, much older and more geriatric than those Asian and African countries on that list.)


    And, in fact, the murder rate in America today is about half of what it was in 1979. In 1980, 23,000 people were murdered, when the population was 226 million. In 2019, just 16,000 people were murdered. The population that year, not including millions of illegals, was 328 million. Boomers and Gen X were the actual terrorists.. Not black people.

    During this time period, the black population remained stable, healthy, youthful and vibrant, the brown population increased sharply, and whites aged, stagnated, mildewed, and are now about to start shrinking, due to the infertility of their womenfolk.

    In the USA, the suicide rate significantly exceeds the murder rate:


    In 2018, there were 48,344 recorded suicides, up from 42,773 in 2014, according to the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS). On average, adjusted for age, the annual U.S. suicide rate increased 24% between 1999 and 2014, from 10.5 to 13.0 suicides per 100,000 people, the highest rate recorded in 28 years.
     
    Although neither could be called crises, over 40,000 suicides vs 16,000 murders begs the question: why is the alt-right incessantly complaining about the black murder rate of this country? It's a losing position that has never been met with even the faintest hope of political or social success. In my opinion, the alt-right fails to tackle the suicide rate because they know that the US suicide rate boils down primarily to firearms and toxic white culture, which means the Left was right. Gun ownership, alcohol and individualism (the last tenets of white "culture" to survive in to the 21st century) really are more dangerous to your health than negroes, who most white people do not live in close proximity to.


    So we're kind of in this awkward situation where we're stuck between taking the red pill, and actually admitting that there is no murder problem, or staying on the blue pill and continuing to complain about the non-existent black-on-white murder phenomenon, which is a losing position that has accomplshed nothing despite 30 years of complaining about it online.


    Honesty, it has been said, is the best policy. My way of thinking says it's time to admit that we don't care about dead people we neved met, and so we should stop incessantly complaining about these non-issues online, in the attempt to build political momentum to get black people deported or exterminated from North America (an objective that can never be accomplished by political means).

    Replies: @HA, @YetAnotherAnon, @Hippopotamusdrome

    That ranking does not bode well for white nationalism

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Fake chart, unless it's from 1995. Latin America's murder rate is way higher than that and Africa isn't nearly as murderous.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate


    The following 50 cities have the highest murder rates in the world of all cities not at war, with a population of at least 300,000 people, and all relevant data available online.[1][2] The murder rate of a city is an imprecise tool for comparison, as the population within city borders may not best represent an urban or metropolitan area with varying rates in different areas.

    All but 4 of the top 50 cities are in the Americas, with the remainder in South Africa.
     
  161. It’s a good thing that public schools don’t teach gun safety.

  162. Lots of black is the correct answer. Whites have a shitload more guns than blacks, and kill at a fraction of the former’s rate.

  163. @ATBOTL
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Blacks and leftists have been buying guns a lot in recent years. It's a trend that the conservative bubble isn't aware of, they still think right wing whites are the only ones with guns. Leftists and blacks are organizing militias across the country now. Just to be clear, blacks are consciously and openly buying more guns to fight right wing whites, not to protect themselves from black criminals. This is a step in the balkanization of America will eventually lead to Civil War Two.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Sandmich

    This is exactly why I stopped instructing. You are exactly correct.

  164. @Joe Stalin
    @onetwothree

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x021s_Pjnp4

    MLK was done in with a Remington 760 30-06 Gamemaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0ZKvK0fc-w


    https://warisboring.com/the-gun-that-killed-martin-luther-king-jr/

     

    Replies: @JMcG, @prosa123

    Yeah, sure he was.

  165. @A black guy
    Well, as a black man...

    I have to ask...

    Who owns the hollywood and music media? Who owns the media companies that create the culture that indoctrinates black youth?

    Why do democrats constantly put people who destroy cities, education and critcal thinking in power?

    Which "race" is responsible for:

    The holocaust
    Nuclear War
    World War 1 and 2
    Slavery
    Private Central Banking Cartels
    The pedophile rings in hollywood and around world
    Debt Slavery
    The Vietnam War
    The Korean War
    The CIA funded war against drugs
    The Mexican secret service in bed with drug cartels
    MK Ultra
    Pedogates (All of them)
    The dumbing down of current youth (including blacks)
    Transgender movement
    The gun trade business
    The drug business
    Planned Parent Hood
    The leaders of the Aethist movement
    The leaders of the rothchild
    The leaders of bilderberg
    The creation and control of the porn industry
    Pizzagate
    The deep state
    CIA Control of the golden triangle
    Contra
    Prism
    FBI informants getting betrayed
    Radical Feminism
    Radical Alphabet groups


    Which RACE is responsible for all of this? Any guesses? Not blacks.

    I could say something stupid like:

    Why is does the world have a huge murder rate? White people and guns +endless greed.

    But, I would have slap myself. Why? Melanine doesn't control a person's ethics. Your skin color doesn't make you evil.

    The problem is that GOOD people are divided intentionally and posts like yours only fan the flames.

    Replies: @No Recent Commenting History, @Reg Cæsar

    Which “race” is responsible for:

    You left out same-sex “marriage”.

    The holocaust
    Nuclear War

    When I was a kid, nuclear war was the holocaust.

    Slavery

    Slavery implies diversity. We’re against that. So relax.

    Why do democrats constantly put people who destroy cities, education and critcal thinking in power?

    For the answer, simply repeat the last word.

  166. @Unladen Swallow
    @brabantian

    I remember hearing that on another post on this website, Ron had excerpted parts of Robert Trivers autobiography a couple of years ago where he was lamenting the high rate of violent crime in Jamaica and some black radical who posted to one of them was claiming the US was worse and had a sky high rate of gun violence compared to other countries.

    Another poster pointed out that the only reason the US had higher rates than other industrialized countries was due to our black population and larger aggregate population. Once you adjusted for population size and percent black, and looked at only US whites, they had virtually the same rate of homicide as Britain and other "Anglo" countries.

    Replies: @Kyle

    Another poster pointed out that the only reason the US had higher rates than other industrialized countries was due to our black population and larger aggregate population. Once you adjusted for population size and percent black, and looked at only US whites, they had virtually the same rate of homicide as Britain and other “Anglo” countries.

    That’s essentially the thesis of the entire history of the isteve blog.

  167. @Anonymous
    @Eric Novak


    Chicago doesn’t have tough gun laws. Chicago is in Illinois, which passed a CCW law in 2013. The law went into effect in Feb. 2014. Since the issuing of CCLs began in 2014, Chicago’s rates of murder and violent crime have exploded in the hood.

     

    Illinois CCL are required to carry any pistol whatsoever. An Illinois FOID is needed to buy the ammunition for a pistol. Both require fingerprinting, a check by the police, and training. It's all money and time. Gangbangers have the time, but not the money, and not the clean record either.

    So your narrative of "after, therefore because of" is gaslighting, no more. The killers in Chicago don't have CCL or FOID. See https://www.ispfsb.com/
    I have to remember that if a liberal says that grass is green and water is wet, we must be in the middle of a blizzard: grass is dead and water is ice. If you care about what a liberal says, check it thoroughly.

    What the CCL and FOID do is discourage gangbangers from leaving the areas they dominate and moving into the suburbs/rural areas. News stories about such arrests are not uncommon.

    And, of course, the State government is revealing how close they are to complete fools wrt COVID-19 and CCW/FOID: https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/illinois-ccl-holders-wear-masks/

    Replies: @Eric Novak

    You don’t even know what “gaslighting” means, Boomer. Try getting the SAT practice books from ‘72 and then re-reading my post. You blather on like a dummy who can’t find a point in a topic.

    • Replies: @By-tor
    @Eric Novak

    What is this smug 'boomer' slight besides a late night talk show TV retort? This is the second time on this thread that I have read it. Any version of the SAT from 1972 would be too difficult for anyone coming of age during the 1990's and 2000's- that is for sure.

  168. While Biden once may have been a bit more intelligent than the harpy, he is now approaching the non compos mentis stage. It will be difficult to “mask” this fact even in the year of the mask.

  169. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Appreciate hearing from others, but I’ve noticed media trend on the Internet lately that I don’t think is random. It’s articles that say, “I’m black and I bought a gun for the first time.” After that the articles can branch off into the need for a gun for protection from racists or a discussion that gun control laws were originally passed to deny blacks their 2nd Amendment rights. Anyone else notice this?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Stephen Paul Foster, @JackOH, @anon, @Chris Mallory, @Dan, @europeasant, @Jesse, @Bill Jones, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Charlotte, @ATBOTL, @Mycale, @Gene Su

    When it comes to blacks and guns, there seems to be two political opinions around:

    1. Blacks should not be allowed to own guns for their own good as they can’t be trusted to behave responsibly.
    2. Blacks should be allowed to own guns, whether they have been convicted of a felony or not, so that they kill each other and thin out the herd (culling especially the more violent ones).

    The divide is not so much on liberal vs conservative. It is more statist vs liberatarian. And of course, if you don’t live in a black neighborhood, you will not care as to whether blacks are armed or not.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Gene Su

    Hmmm I think it is closer to:

    1) Sure Black shootings are the main problem but we can't discuss that so let's just reject all gun laws.

    2) Sure Black shootings are the main problem but we can't discuss that so let's treat all gun owners as the problem.

    The honest and rational yet completely unacceptable opinion is:
    Blacks and Whites should have different gun laws.

    This opinion is already supported in practice by Democrats.

    You don't see rural Democrats clamoring for more gun laws.

    I even read an article by a liberal that suggested we ban everything but small calibers in handguns. The implied message was that we should let Blacks wound each other.

  170. @Milo Minderbinder
    It's kind of like how the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world. We have enough money to build lots of prisons and a significant criminal underclass.

    Norway has lots of money to build prisons, but not much of a criminal class (so far), while the Central African Republic doesn't have any money to lock up its many criminals.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    The low budget way to deal with criminals in a place like Central African Republic ought to be obvious.

  171. So in the last year or two, if Blacks are actually purchasing RIFLES for a’Black Militia,’ has this manifested itself in Blacks showing up at rifle ranges in increasing numbers?

    What have people actually noticed?

    How many Blacks have people seen at a Project Appleseed?

    No Blacks here at the low-cost (Volunteer Instructors) from a year ago; is that pretty much representative or a fluke?

    Project Appleseed started from a series of ads appearing in Shotgun News, a monthly gun trade newspaper publication. These ads were written under a pseudonym by a fellow who simply called himself “Fred”. “Fred,” the founder of Project Appleseed, whose real name is Jack Dailey, wrote a long running column—actually a portion of ad space for Fred’s M14 Stocks—starting in 1999.[6] A common theme in these columns was “Are you a cook or a rifleman?”, a “cook” being Fred’s term for an unqualified shooter. The name of the project was in deference to Johnny Appleseed, an American pioneer nurseryman and grass roots missionary who traveled the American frontier planting apple trees across the land with the goal of spreading the number of apple trees in America. Fred’s goal was to accomplish the same with civic-minded Riflemen in America. Project Appleseed itself began in April 2006 in Ramseur, North Carolina.[3] These long-running ads ceased in 2017, upon Jack Dailey retiring and selling his business.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Appleseed

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @Joe Stalin

    It's beyond injustice that John Chapman is largely remembered only for a few apple orchards, as opposed to being pretty much a frontier Diogenes (albeit with a Yahweh overlay).

    John Chapman's life story is pretty amazing - it's a terrible shame that it was turned into a stupid Disneyfied cartoon.

    The planting of apple orchards (and peach trees) were a condition of land grants of 100 frontier acres, so creating 'pre-prepared' orchards helped frontier settlers - and Chapman made some small income from managing the orchards on other people's behalf.

    The apple trees he cultivated produced almost-inedible 'spitters' because they were grown from seed, which has been known since Roman times to produce nasty fruit - sweet fruit come from grafted stock. The fruit were actually destined for hard cider, which was the dominant tipple until Prohibition, with the average frontier adult consuming ~10oz (2/3 pint) of hard cider a day. It was drunk in preference to water, since water was a potential source of a range of diseases - English settlers in Australia had the same relationship with beer, as did monks in the Middle Ages.

    (Thoreau referred to the fruit from spitters as "sour enough to set a squirrel's teeth on edge and make a jay scream.")

    It's also worth noting that during Prohibition, the US Death Machine (specifically the FBI) sent teams of axe-wielding fuckwits to cut down all the cider-apple trees that they could find, and destroyed the basis for a return of the industry once the fuckwittedness of Prohibition was finally recognised.

    I have no doubt that the 1950s Disney-fication of Chapman's life was due, in part, to keeping the hard cider legacy of Johnny Appleseed firmly in the Memory Hole.

    Replies: @HA, @Art Deco

    , @JMcG
    @Joe Stalin

    I used to instruct for them. They’d **** a **** to get blacks to show up. Very eager not to be seen as racist.

  172. @Joe Stalin
    @onetwothree

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x021s_Pjnp4

    MLK was done in with a Remington 760 30-06 Gamemaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0ZKvK0fc-w


    https://warisboring.com/the-gun-that-killed-martin-luther-king-jr/

     

    Replies: @JMcG, @prosa123

    The Remington 760, now known as the 7600, is an interesting firearm, being the only pump action centerfire rifle in regular production today. It has long had a loyal following among hunters in Pennsylvania.
    Ray originally had purchased a rifle, I’m not sure if it was a 760 or not, in caliber .243 (6mm), but decided he wanted something more powerful and exchanged it for the .30-06. An unnecessary step, as the .243 would have been just as deadly.

    Speaking of Remington, the financially troubled company’s planned acquisition by the Navajo tribe has fallen apart. Tribal leadership was all for it, but the plan faced heavy opposition from tribal members, who pointed out that spending millions of dollars at the present time was a terrible idea given that the virus has hit the reservation harder than almost anywhere else in the world.

  173. @HA
    @JohnPlywood

    "Saint Pierre et Miquelon (the most racially European islands on planet Earth)… 15.91"

    And smuggling hotspot for at least a century -- funny how you overlooked that key plot element:

    This Tiny French Archipelago Became America’s Alcohol Warehouse During Prohibition


    Situated off the South coast of Newfoundland, St. Pierre-Miquelon, being a French possession, offers unusual opportunities for the smuggler to ply his illicit trade...Therefore St. Pierre is to-day the greatest smuggling centre in the world...

    In all these cases -- and this goes for the south side of Chicago, too -- you might want to at least try to factor out turf-wars by traffickers and other gangsters if you want a fair comparison of how murder-prone a given population is.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @utu

    15.91 homicides/100,000 for Saint Pierre – Miquelon with population of 6,000 translates to 1 homicide per year. I am pretty sure that the stats will show years when homicides were 0 per 100,000 meaning that 10 year average is much lower than 15.91.

    https://knoema.com/UNODCHIS2015/unodc-international-homicide-statistics?tsId=1003900

    2006 0
    2007 0
    2008 16.00
    2009 15.91 (-0.62 % drop noted dutifully because of 0.62% population increase)

    In 2015 there was murder suicide involving a Canadian citizen:
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/details-emerge-of-alleged-murder-suicide-in-st-pierre-1.3165345

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @utu

    1 homicide a year is enormous for a small town of 6000. Typically, such towns go for decades without a murder taking place.

    Replies: @utu

  174. Q: Why does the U.S. have a high murder rate?

    A: Lots of guns and lots of blacks.

    But mostly lots of blacks.

    • Agree: Kibernetika
  175. @Reg Cæsar
    @Buffalo Joe


    It is almost impossible to get a permit just to purchase a handgun in NYS.
     
    In Erie County, perhaps now. But in other N.Y. counties named after an Indian nation, or US president, or Constitutional Convention delegate, or Revolutionary War hero? Hunting with pistols is legal in New York: https://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/28182.html

    A good rule of thumb is to assume ease of getting a N.Y. pistol permit is inversely proportional to your need for self-defense in any particular county. E'g', compare Kings or Queens with Franklin, Jefferson, or Greene.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @prosa123

    But in other N.Y. counties named after an Indian nation, or US president, or Constitutional Convention delegate, or Revolutionary War hero? Hunting with pistols is legal in New York: https://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/28182.html

    In Suffolk County, pistol permit applicants go through a telephone interview with an officer from the county police department. During the interview, the cop asks the applicant a series of questions about training, intended uses, safe storage, and so on. It usually takes about 20 minutes.

    The cop isn’t particularly interested in the applicant’s specific answers. He’s actually trained in psychology and is listening carefully for any indications of mental instability. Strangely enough, insurance companies do something not entirely unrelated when older people apply for long-term care insurance. Underwriters call applicants and engage them in seemingly casual conversations. They’re actually looking for any signs of dementia.

    Getting back to Suffolk County, not long ago I heard from a gun store employee that the demand for pistol permits is so high they police firearms division is hopelessly backed up with applications.

    • Replies: @Kibernetika
    @prosa123

    Getting back to Suffolk County, not long ago I heard from a gun store employee that the demand for pistol permits is so high they police firearms division is hopelessly backed up with applications.

    You should move away from there, sir.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  176. @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    If I’m not mistaken, the homicide rate for non-metropolitan counties in the U.S. is about 2.5 per 100,000 (lower in New England and the Rustbelt).
     
    Yankees, krauts, and squareheads.

    homicide rates in metropolitan zones [in England and Wales] do not differ much from those in non-metropolitan zone.
     
    It may be that urban crime is balanced by a large percentage of immigrants who are less violent than the natives, e.g., Poles and Hindus. Remember, too, that the rural proportion of the English (and Canadian and Australian, for that matter) population is quite a bit sm aller than in the US.

    What I'd like to see is crime statistics broken down by congressional district. See how they correlate with not only party, but votes on individual issues. E.g., with NRA and NumbersUSA grades.

    Oh, and pro-life votes. Because few things are more anti-life than murder.

    Replies: @Altai, @Templar

    Stop and search rates from met by ethnicity.

    https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/stop-and-search/latest#by-ethnicity

    East Asian rates well below ‘White British’ or ‘White Irish’ rates. ‘White Other’ is over twice that of the former two. Though this may capture an age demographic and sex bias of the latter population.

    Subcon rates a lot higher, including ‘Indian’, maybe Sikhs, they are involved in a lot of gang crime in Canada where they are a more conspicuous population.

  177. @Kronos
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Jails and Prisons? They typically have strict gun control measures.

    https://youtu.be/cg5_dNyqv90

    (For the record, they’re going through drug withdrawals and searching for a fix.)

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Yeah, their Firearm murders are down, but their Sharpened Toothbrush and Bits of Old Dumbbell murders are off the charts

  178. @Brutusale
    @Arclight

    Same with the Massachusetts Democrats blaming the urban gun violence on New Hampshire. Funny how they seldom blame Vermont, which has gun laws that are among the loosest in the country.

    Replies: @Dr. X

    Funny how they seldom blame Vermont, which has gun laws that are among the loosest in the country.

    Not anymore. Vermont instituted a 10-round magazine limit and universal background checks.

  179. @utu
    @HA

    15.91 homicides/100,000 for Saint Pierre - Miquelon with population of 6,000 translates to 1 homicide per year. I am pretty sure that the stats will show years when homicides were 0 per 100,000 meaning that 10 year average is much lower than 15.91.


    https://knoema.com/UNODCHIS2015/unodc-international-homicide-statistics?tsId=1003900

    2006 0
    2007 0
    2008 16.00
    2009 15.91 (-0.62 % drop noted dutifully because of 0.62% population increase)
     
    In 2015 there was murder suicide involving a Canadian citizen:
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/details-emerge-of-alleged-murder-suicide-in-st-pierre-1.3165345

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    1 homicide a year is enormous for a small town of 6000. Typically, such towns go for decades without a murder taking place.

    • Replies: @utu
    @JohnPlywood

    "1 homicide a year is enormous for a small town of 6000. " - You are an enormous idiot. How do you know 'a year' is justified? In two out of four years we have data for there was no homicides. How many years w/o homicide in last 20 years? What if out of town 'tourists' were responsible for some homicides there? What if some perpetrators were not white?

    Picking 6000 town as your grand counterexample to black homicide epidemic was not very smart and you still persist.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

  180. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @JohnPlywood



    That ranking does not bode well for white nationalism

     

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-boJkL7jJclM/Tw3_gtQOAFI/AAAAAAAAIRY/t-Bx4Ecd6Vo/s1600/Chartsbin_homicide_per_100.000.png

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Fake chart, unless it’s from 1995. Latin America’s murder rate is way higher than that and Africa isn’t nearly as murderous.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

    The following 50 cities have the highest murder rates in the world of all cities not at war, with a population of at least 300,000 people, and all relevant data available online.[1][2] The murder rate of a city is an imprecise tool for comparison, as the population within city borders may not best represent an urban or metropolitan area with varying rates in different areas.

    All but 4 of the top 50 cities are in the Americas, with the remainder in South Africa.

  181. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    "Blacks tend to be more “into the moment” than other races."
     
    Ultra-liberal former mayor of Cincinnati, Jerry Springer, would be horrified if someone accused him of being a racist. But when's the last time he had a white guest on his show? All these limo libs reveal their understanding that TV's a visual medium, and nothing's more histrionic than Shaniqua wrestling the weave off LaSondra's head.

    Daytime and syndicated TV these days is like taking a trip to Nairobi.

    Replies: @Ed Cottingham, @Buffalo Joe, @Currahee, @Wilkey

    Daytime and syndicated TV these days is like taking a trip to Nairobi.

    Daytime TV is more black than primetime television because there are so many blacks sitting at home without jobs. Has always been the case.

    Another thing I’ve noticed is the game show “Family Feud,” which is now apparently filmed in Atlanta. I only ever catch pieces of it when it’s on at the gym, but it seems like almost every episode features a white family versus a black family. It is so consistent that it’s hard to imagine it being anything other than intentional.

  182. @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    Arson can run up the really big death tolls, like IIRC 95 at a Catholic school in Chicago in the 1950s.

    It sure is reassuring that Antifa attracts firebugs and they are getting so much practice.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Wilkey, @stillCARealist

    Arson can run up the really big death tolls, like IIRC 95 at a Catholic school in Chicago in the 1950s.

    The Our Lady of the Angels fire in 1958. Among the survivors was Jonathan Cain of the rock band Journey.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Wilkey



    Arson can run up the really big death tolls, like IIRC 95 at a Catholic school in Chicago in the 1950s.
     
    The Our Lady of the Angels fire in 1958.
     
    That was never officially determined to be arson, was it? So maybe it is, maybe it isn't the worst school attack in US history. Andrew Kehoe's blowing up the elementary school in Bath, Michigan in 1927 is still the Guinness standard, I believe.

    Among the survivors was Jonathan Cain of the rock band Journey.
     
    He didn't stop believin'!

    He should have tea sometime with Andy Murray, who was in the Dunblane school the day Thomas Hamilton shot it up. And it would be nice to invite Waylon Jennings, who gave up his seat on Buddy Holly's plane; but Waylon has since gone on to join Buddy.
  183. @prosa123
    @Reg Cæsar

    But in other N.Y. counties named after an Indian nation, or US president, or Constitutional Convention delegate, or Revolutionary War hero? Hunting with pistols is legal in New York: https://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/28182.html

    In Suffolk County, pistol permit applicants go through a telephone interview with an officer from the county police department. During the interview, the cop asks the applicant a series of questions about training, intended uses, safe storage, and so on. It usually takes about 20 minutes.

    The cop isn't particularly interested in the applicant's specific answers. He's actually trained in psychology and is listening carefully for any indications of mental instability. Strangely enough, insurance companies do something not entirely unrelated when older people apply for long-term care insurance. Underwriters call applicants and engage them in seemingly casual conversations. They're actually looking for any signs of dementia.

    Getting back to Suffolk County, not long ago I heard from a gun store employee that the demand for pistol permits is so high they police firearms division is hopelessly backed up with applications.

    Replies: @Kibernetika

    Getting back to Suffolk County, not long ago I heard from a gun store employee that the demand for pistol permits is so high they police firearms division is hopelessly backed up with applications.

    You should move away from there, sir.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Kibernetika



    Getting back to Suffolk County...
     
    You should move away from there, sir.

     

    What? And give up Derb as a neighbor?
  184. @Kronos
    @TomSchmidt

    Yep, that seems correct.

    https://youtu.be/ukWEsIo8hH4

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    One interesting question about black-on-black crime is how many of the victims are non-participants in some broader group conflict.

    Nobody should worry too much about black-on-black murders where both legs of the transaction are part of a broad groupwise beef.

    Take, for example, the video of the guy who was “gunned down” on a Bronx crosswalk while walking with his kid.

    That was a hit, which makes it likely that the victim was involved in some violent subculture (absent a case of mistaken identity).

    There’s no ‘business case’ for society to waste significant resources reducing the X-on-X murder rate by focusing on events where all the Xs are organised criminals. (This may already be a majority view: it would help explain the low case-resolution rate for urban murders).

    When it all boils down, most “organised criminals” are just risk-tolerant entrepreneurs, willing to compete for the risk premia on the supply side of the market for politically-prohibited pharmaceuticals. In doing so they are simply copying the Kennedy dynasty, who made their family fortune running bootleg whisky and then bought their way to respectability.

    The violence they perpetrate should rightly be laid at the feet of those perpetrating the indefensible, stupid, societally-pointless War on Some Drugs.

    Non-black organised criminals – even Jews, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Lebanese and so forth – are generally very careful when they off each other: non-interference in the commons is a specific objective. I assume that the same is true of genuinely-criminal US blacks. (Plain ol’ thugs are a different kettle of fish – and generally they prey on non-combatants: bring down an anvil on them).

    As a ‘local’ analogy to the guy killed on the Bronx crosswalk: in 2003, Melbourne’s organised-crime community was uniformly horrified when Jason Moran and his minder were killed while they were picking up Moran’s kids from a football ‘clinic’.

    The Moran hit was considered a Bad Thing by everyone because the close presence of 5 kids (only 2 of which were Moran’s) brought significant public attention, which meant that the authorities had to do something. (Worse still, there were upwards of 100 kids at the ‘AusKick‘ clinic that the kids had been attending – imagine every Karen in Melbourne screeching, and you’ll get a handle on the pressure on the piggery to Do Something).

    Up to that point, there had been about 20 “apud ipsi” killings in Melbourne in the previous handful of years; none of them really resulted in any significant police effort because it was understood that the violence would never touch the public. It was just a bit of the spice of life in Melbourne (similar to the same goings-on in King’s Cross in Sydney, made famous by the ‘Underbelly’ TV series) – it made folks think it was exciting to go to Lygon Street.

    Anyway… Carl Williams (who ordered the hit) was looking to red-card the shooter for being such a flog as to kill a bloke in front of his kids; he even let it be known to the Moran family that it was regrettable that the kids were there.

    Still, everyone agreed that Williams himself was “on the X” for hiring a drug-fucked non-specialist (the shooter was a low-level armed robber, not a proper killer).

    A few years later Williams was beaten to death[1] in Barwon Prison on an unrelated matter.

    Contrast this with the evening in 2004 when Mick Gatto shot Benji Vinyamin in the eye in a non-public area at La Porchella (our local pizzeria at the time). No bystanders – not even any witnesses.

    Mick stayed at the scene, and was arrested, charged, and tried – and found to have acted in self-defence.

    It helped Gatto’s defence greatly that Vinyamin was known to have killed at least 7 other prominent members of Melbourne’s “underworld”… so the pigs and the DPP properly understood Benji’s death was ad hoc personnel management.

    Point is: in the ordinary course of events, proper “crims” sort things out among themselves – even at the lower levels (e.g., arguments over who owns the corner). So ‘crim-on-crim‘ violence should only be taken seriously by the forces of Laura Norder if it gets out of hand.

    So to the extent that intra-negroid murder reduces to the criminal classes resolving business disputes, everyone should discount the extent of the problem.

    [1] I say “beaten to death” because he was struck repeatedly about the head and body with various pieces of gym equipment very soon before he died.

    In Yanklish, though, that might be interpreted as purely coincidental: using the cognitive chops deployed by some of the fuckwits commenting on George Floyd, I could claim that since Williams died of cardiac arrest and was obese… well, he actually died of a heart attack and should be in the books as a casualty of a lifestyle of over-indulgence in starchy foods.

  185. @Dr. X

    Hillary was into gun control last time, which definitely didn’t help her in the Deer Hunter states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin... Joe Biden, age 77, isn’t the sharpest nominee in the toolshed, but he’s probably not as stupid as Hillary in 2016.
     
    Wrong. Biden already said he's coming for your guns:

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/05/biden-going-to-come-for-guns/

    Replies: @David In TN, @Thirdtwin, @Russ

    Wrong. Biden already said he’s coming for your guns

    I believe Biden has spoken of an intent to deputize that silly boy out of Texas – “Beto” – to perform that task.

  186. @YetAnotherAnon
    @JohnPlywood

    "And, in fact, the murder rate in America today is about half of what it was in 1979."

    Because judges started sending criminals to prison for long periods. It's called incapacitation. You can't murder so easily in jail, although they do try.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but the incarceration rate for blacks has decreased by about a third since 2006. It’s whites who are being locked up now.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/05/06/share-of-black-white-hispanic-americans-in-prison-2018-vs-2006/

    Didn’t you know that even your homeboy Donald Trump sees the value in letting black men out of jail? Literally no one is on your side. Abandon this failed ideological objective and join me in finding the bew strategy.

  187. @Joe Stalin
    So in the last year or two, if Blacks are actually purchasing RIFLES for a'Black Militia,' has this manifested itself in Blacks showing up at rifle ranges in increasing numbers?

    What have people actually noticed?

    How many Blacks have people seen at a Project Appleseed?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP1LugZFSeM

    No Blacks here at the low-cost (Volunteer Instructors) from a year ago; is that pretty much representative or a fluke?

    Project Appleseed started from a series of ads appearing in Shotgun News, a monthly gun trade newspaper publication. These ads were written under a pseudonym by a fellow who simply called himself "Fred". "Fred," the founder of Project Appleseed, whose real name is Jack Dailey, wrote a long running column—actually a portion of ad space for Fred's M14 Stocks—starting in 1999.[6] A common theme in these columns was "Are you a cook or a rifleman?", a "cook" being Fred's term for an unqualified shooter. The name of the project was in deference to Johnny Appleseed, an American pioneer nurseryman and grass roots missionary who traveled the American frontier planting apple trees across the land with the goal of spreading the number of apple trees in America. Fred's goal was to accomplish the same with civic-minded Riflemen in America. Project Appleseed itself began in April 2006 in Ramseur, North Carolina.[3] These long-running ads ceased in 2017, upon Jack Dailey retiring and selling his business.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Appleseed

     

    Replies: @Kratoklastes, @JMcG

    It’s beyond injustice that John Chapman is largely remembered only for a few apple orchards, as opposed to being pretty much a frontier Diogenes (albeit with a Yahweh overlay).

    John Chapman’s life story is pretty amazing – it’s a terrible shame that it was turned into a stupid Disneyfied cartoon.

    The planting of apple orchards (and peach trees) were a condition of land grants of 100 frontier acres, so creating ‘pre-prepared’ orchards helped frontier settlers – and Chapman made some small income from managing the orchards on other people’s behalf.

    The apple trees he cultivated produced almost-inedible ‘spitters‘ because they were grown from seed, which has been known since Roman times to produce nasty fruit – sweet fruit come from grafted stock. The fruit were actually destined for hard cider, which was the dominant tipple until Prohibition, with the average frontier adult consuming ~10oz (2/3 pint) of hard cider a day. It was drunk in preference to water, since water was a potential source of a range of diseases – English settlers in Australia had the same relationship with beer, as did monks in the Middle Ages.

    (Thoreau referred to the fruit from spitters as “sour enough to set a squirrel’s teeth on edge and make a jay scream.”)

    It’s also worth noting that during Prohibition, the US Death Machine (specifically the FBI) sent teams of axe-wielding fuckwits to cut down all the cider-apple trees that they could find, and destroyed the basis for a return of the industry once the fuckwittedness of Prohibition was finally recognised.

    I have no doubt that the 1950s Disney-fication of Chapman’s life was due, in part, to keeping the hard cider legacy of Johnny Appleseed firmly in the Memory Hole.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Kratoklastes

    "It’s also worth noting that during Prohibition, the US Death Machine (specifically the FBI) sent teams...to cut down all the cider-apple trees that they could find,..."

    It's also worth noting that cider was to a considerable extent grandfathered out from (at least the letter of) the Volstead Act.


    Section 29 of the Act allowed 200 gallons (the equivalent of about 1000 750-ml bottles) of "non-intoxicating cider and fruit juice" to be made each year at home.
     
    But a vast acreage of old orchards were burned down nonetheless.
    , @Art Deco
    @Kratoklastes

    It’s also worth noting that during Prohibition, the US Death Machine (specifically the FBI) sent teams of axe-wielding fuckwits to cut down all the cider-apple trees that they could find, and destroyed the basis for a return of the industry once the fuckwittedness of Prohibition was finally recognised.

    Enforcement of prohibition laws was vested in the Treasury Department. The FBI had about 650 employees ca. 1925.

  188. @Joe Stalin
    So in the last year or two, if Blacks are actually purchasing RIFLES for a'Black Militia,' has this manifested itself in Blacks showing up at rifle ranges in increasing numbers?

    What have people actually noticed?

    How many Blacks have people seen at a Project Appleseed?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP1LugZFSeM

    No Blacks here at the low-cost (Volunteer Instructors) from a year ago; is that pretty much representative or a fluke?

    Project Appleseed started from a series of ads appearing in Shotgun News, a monthly gun trade newspaper publication. These ads were written under a pseudonym by a fellow who simply called himself "Fred". "Fred," the founder of Project Appleseed, whose real name is Jack Dailey, wrote a long running column—actually a portion of ad space for Fred's M14 Stocks—starting in 1999.[6] A common theme in these columns was "Are you a cook or a rifleman?", a "cook" being Fred's term for an unqualified shooter. The name of the project was in deference to Johnny Appleseed, an American pioneer nurseryman and grass roots missionary who traveled the American frontier planting apple trees across the land with the goal of spreading the number of apple trees in America. Fred's goal was to accomplish the same with civic-minded Riflemen in America. Project Appleseed itself began in April 2006 in Ramseur, North Carolina.[3] These long-running ads ceased in 2017, upon Jack Dailey retiring and selling his business.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Appleseed

     

    Replies: @Kratoklastes, @JMcG

    I used to instruct for them. They’d **** a **** to get blacks to show up. Very eager not to be seen as racist.

  189. @JohnPlywood
    @utu

    1 homicide a year is enormous for a small town of 6000. Typically, such towns go for decades without a murder taking place.

    Replies: @utu

    “1 homicide a year is enormous for a small town of 6000. “ – You are an enormous idiot. How do you know ‘a year’ is justified? In two out of four years we have data for there was no homicides. How many years w/o homicide in last 20 years? What if out of town ‘tourists’ were responsible for some homicides there? What if some perpetrators were not white?

    Picking 6000 town as your grand counterexample to black homicide epidemic was not very smart and you still persist.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @utu

    2 consecutive years with homicides is absolutely enormous for a small town of 6000 people. I grew up in a town that size, and there were no homicides for my residence there up to young adulthood. I would expect a homicide every 20 or 30 years. Back to back homicides yearly would have the population reeling. Hell, a burglary gets these communes all upset. Small towns of 6000 people don't have this kind of crime. You wouldn't know, because you're a city boy, probably one with a lot of Jewish or southern European admixture. Something is deeply, deeply amoral in white America (which you aren't a member of), and it's getting worse.

  190. @Wilkey
    @Steve Sailer


    Arson can run up the really big death tolls, like IIRC 95 at a Catholic school in Chicago in the 1950s.
     
    The Our Lady of the Angels fire in 1958. Among the survivors was Jonathan Cain of the rock band Journey.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Arson can run up the really big death tolls, like IIRC 95 at a Catholic school in Chicago in the 1950s.

    The Our Lady of the Angels fire in 1958.

    That was never officially determined to be arson, was it? So maybe it is, maybe it isn’t the worst school attack in US history. Andrew Kehoe’s blowing up the elementary school in Bath, Michigan in 1927 is still the Guinness standard, I believe.

    Among the survivors was Jonathan Cain of the rock band Journey.

    He didn’t stop believin’!

    He should have tea sometime with Andy Murray, who was in the Dunblane school the day Thomas Hamilton shot it up. And it would be nice to invite Waylon Jennings, who gave up his seat on Buddy Holly’s plane; but Waylon has since gone on to join Buddy.

  191. @Kibernetika
    @prosa123

    Getting back to Suffolk County, not long ago I heard from a gun store employee that the demand for pistol permits is so high they police firearms division is hopelessly backed up with applications.

    You should move away from there, sir.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Getting back to Suffolk County…

    You should move away from there, sir.

    What? And give up Derb as a neighbor?

  192. @Eric Novak
    @Wake up

    Chicago doesn’t have tough gun laws. Chicago is in Illinois, which passed a CCW law in 2013. The law went into effect in Feb. 2014. Since the issuing of CCLs began in 2014, Chicago’s rates of murder and violent crime have exploded in the hood. The “Chicago gun control meme” is Kuckservative klowning in high gear, placing the blame on non-existent gun control and off of blacks.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar

    Chicago doesn’t have tough gun laws.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Illinois#Local_laws

  193. @Anonymous
    @Kronos

    Leftists (not liberals) like guns. They have no problem with gun ownership. "Arm the people" is an old left-wing rallying cry. However it's not in their interest to say so publicly at this time while there's still a possibility of talking their opponents into disarming themselves.

    Replies: @Kronos, @John Johnson, @Joe Stalin

    Leftists (not liberals) like guns. They have no problem with gun ownership. “Arm the people” is an old left-wing rallying cry.

    We have a left-wing gun owners group in our state and they are tiny. The gay club has more members.

    Leftists are against gun ownership because they correctly assess that the opposition is more likely to use them.

    Communists only supported gun ownership until they took over.

    So it’s similar to how they feel about free speech. They are support its use when directed against the system but would never allow it under leftist control.

  194. @ATBOTL
    @flyingtiger


    Blacks are too terrified to go to white areas like Indiana to get firearms. That’s if they could figure out how to get there. The mob used to run guns to the blacks, but I am not sure if they are still doing that.
     
    What a clueless old boomer comment. Blacks are not scared to go anywhere now. Indianapolis is a black city. All of the guns in the ghetto are purchased in red states by black straw buyers. There is no "mob" anymore and blacks have their own totally independent criminal networks. I notice many of the comments here are full of outdated assumptions. Older white conservatives are not aware of how things have changed. The guy who said that under 40 aged leftists don't care about gun control is right. They all think the left needs guns and militias to fight right wing whites. Older white conservatives are whistling past the graveyard, certain that their opponents are incompetent, even as their opponents take control of the streets with rioting mobs backed by armed militias -- and the police.

    We are in the early stages of Civil War Two now.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    What a clueless old boomer comment. Blacks are not scared to go anywhere now.

    I don’t know if it is fear that motivates them but they still mainly stick to their turf.

    They are more likely to rob a cousin than drive out to the burbs.

    Blacks are creatures of habit more than any other group.

    Random home invasions by Black criminals are actually quite rare.

    All of the guns in the ghetto are purchased in red states by black straw buyers.

    People of all races do it to make quick cash. But it’s a really bad idea since the Feds have informants and you will do serious time.

    Most of the local straw buys are actually from girlfriends or family members.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @John Johnson

    I don't know the etymology of the black term "homeboy," but it struck me as apt. In England, you see white criminals doing "Clockwork Orange" style home invasions where they drive 50 miles out into the country to attack some remote house. In contrast, suburbs 50 miles northwest of South-Central L.A. have basically zero crime.

    Gun ownership helps, of course.

    Replies: @JackOH, @John Johnson, @Anonymous

    , @Rob McX
    @John Johnson

    The Second City Cop blog cites figures to show that the majority of guns seized from criminals in Chicago were sourced in Illinois.

  195. @Kratoklastes
    @Joe Stalin

    It's beyond injustice that John Chapman is largely remembered only for a few apple orchards, as opposed to being pretty much a frontier Diogenes (albeit with a Yahweh overlay).

    John Chapman's life story is pretty amazing - it's a terrible shame that it was turned into a stupid Disneyfied cartoon.

    The planting of apple orchards (and peach trees) were a condition of land grants of 100 frontier acres, so creating 'pre-prepared' orchards helped frontier settlers - and Chapman made some small income from managing the orchards on other people's behalf.

    The apple trees he cultivated produced almost-inedible 'spitters' because they were grown from seed, which has been known since Roman times to produce nasty fruit - sweet fruit come from grafted stock. The fruit were actually destined for hard cider, which was the dominant tipple until Prohibition, with the average frontier adult consuming ~10oz (2/3 pint) of hard cider a day. It was drunk in preference to water, since water was a potential source of a range of diseases - English settlers in Australia had the same relationship with beer, as did monks in the Middle Ages.

    (Thoreau referred to the fruit from spitters as "sour enough to set a squirrel's teeth on edge and make a jay scream.")

    It's also worth noting that during Prohibition, the US Death Machine (specifically the FBI) sent teams of axe-wielding fuckwits to cut down all the cider-apple trees that they could find, and destroyed the basis for a return of the industry once the fuckwittedness of Prohibition was finally recognised.

    I have no doubt that the 1950s Disney-fication of Chapman's life was due, in part, to keeping the hard cider legacy of Johnny Appleseed firmly in the Memory Hole.

    Replies: @HA, @Art Deco

    “It’s also worth noting that during Prohibition, the US Death Machine (specifically the FBI) sent teams…to cut down all the cider-apple trees that they could find,…”

    It’s also worth noting that cider was to a considerable extent grandfathered out from (at least the letter of) the Volstead Act.

    Section 29 of the Act allowed 200 gallons (the equivalent of about 1000 750-ml bottles) of "non-intoxicating cider and fruit juice" to be made each year at home.

    But a vast acreage of old orchards were burned down nonetheless.

  196. @Old and Grumpy
    Urban blacks seem to have no problem in attaining ammunition. Out here in the exurbs we do. Why is that? Now with the left's social worker - anger management strategy for urban crime, seems like the Democrats actually want the black murder rate to go unabated.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Urban blacks seem to have no problem in attaining ammunition. Out here in the exurbs we do. Why is that?

    White gun owners expend a lot of ammunition in target practice. Urban blacks get in all their target practice on each other. Someone who goes to a range may shoot up two or three 50-round boxes of ammo in one session. That could rack up quite a body count in the inner city, even with poor marksmanship.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Harry Baldwin

    Blacks' shooting range is the street on a busy Friday night. The reason shooters repeatedly show such a low hit rate is because they get shot themselves before they have time to perfect their marksmanship.

  197. @Harry Baldwin
    @Old and Grumpy

    Urban blacks seem to have no problem in attaining ammunition. Out here in the exurbs we do. Why is that?

    White gun owners expend a lot of ammunition in target practice. Urban blacks get in all their target practice on each other. Someone who goes to a range may shoot up two or three 50-round boxes of ammo in one session. That could rack up quite a body count in the inner city, even with poor marksmanship.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    Blacks’ shooting range is the street on a busy Friday night. The reason shooters repeatedly show such a low hit rate is because they get shot themselves before they have time to perfect their marksmanship.

  198. @Gene Su
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    When it comes to blacks and guns, there seems to be two political opinions around:

    1. Blacks should not be allowed to own guns for their own good as they can't be trusted to behave responsibly.
    2. Blacks should be allowed to own guns, whether they have been convicted of a felony or not, so that they kill each other and thin out the herd (culling especially the more violent ones).

    The divide is not so much on liberal vs conservative. It is more statist vs liberatarian. And of course, if you don't live in a black neighborhood, you will not care as to whether blacks are armed or not.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Hmmm I think it is closer to:

    1) Sure Black shootings are the main problem but we can’t discuss that so let’s just reject all gun laws.

    2) Sure Black shootings are the main problem but we can’t discuss that so let’s treat all gun owners as the problem.

    The honest and rational yet completely unacceptable opinion is:
    Blacks and Whites should have different gun laws.

    This opinion is already supported in practice by Democrats.

    You don’t see rural Democrats clamoring for more gun laws.

    I even read an article by a liberal that suggested we ban everything but small calibers in handguns. The implied message was that we should let Blacks wound each other.

  199. @John Johnson
    @ATBOTL

    What a clueless old boomer comment. Blacks are not scared to go anywhere now.

    I don't know if it is fear that motivates them but they still mainly stick to their turf.

    They are more likely to rob a cousin than drive out to the burbs.

    Blacks are creatures of habit more than any other group.

    Random home invasions by Black criminals are actually quite rare.

    All of the guns in the ghetto are purchased in red states by black straw buyers.

    People of all races do it to make quick cash. But it's a really bad idea since the Feds have informants and you will do serious time.

    Most of the local straw buys are actually from girlfriends or family members.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Rob McX

    I don’t know the etymology of the black term “homeboy,” but it struck me as apt. In England, you see white criminals doing “Clockwork Orange” style home invasions where they drive 50 miles out into the country to attack some remote house. In contrast, suburbs 50 miles northwest of South-Central L.A. have basically zero crime.

    Gun ownership helps, of course.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    @Steve Sailer

    In the 1990s, a small city near me had a murder rate about 60 per 100,000. (Corrupt prosecutor, drugs, etc.) An immediately adjacent township, a sanctuary suburb for White flighters, with about the same population had a murder rate of 1/2 per 100,000.

    We're sort of stuck with a weird and immensely destructive circumstantial censorship that says if we talk frankly about the massive dysfunctionality among America's sometimes talented and often benighted Blacks, we'd seriously contemplate re-enslavement, a politico-racial Gulag, a Blackified Auschwitz, mass deportation, etc. How about the fair shake that was once found in many Northern cities and that was tacitly endorsed by "talented tenth" Blacks?

    , @John Johnson
    @Steve Sailer

    In contrast, suburbs 50 miles northwest of South-Central L.A. have basically zero crime.

    Gun ownership helps, of course.

    Gun ownership helps but I suspect there is also a genetic factor.

    You also don't see Blacks taking part in adventure type sports or hobbies.

    @Rob McX
    I don't visit his blog so I don't know his source. But Chicago actually releases pretty good data on where their guns come from.

    https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/city/depts/mayor/Press%20Room/Press%20Releases/2017/October/GTR2017.pdf

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Actually, Anthony Burgess based Clockwork Orange, in a great part, on a vicious rape on his wife during WW2, perpetrated by black American GIs based in England.

    Replies: @Oscar Peterson, @Ian Smith

  200. @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    If I’m not mistaken, the homicide rate for non-metropolitan counties in the U.S. is about 2.5 per 100,000 (lower in New England and the Rustbelt).
     
    Yankees, krauts, and squareheads.

    homicide rates in metropolitan zones [in England and Wales] do not differ much from those in non-metropolitan zone.
     
    It may be that urban crime is balanced by a large percentage of immigrants who are less violent than the natives, e.g., Poles and Hindus. Remember, too, that the rural proportion of the English (and Canadian and Australian, for that matter) population is quite a bit sm aller than in the US.

    What I'd like to see is crime statistics broken down by congressional district. See how they correlate with not only party, but votes on individual issues. E.g., with NRA and NumbersUSA grades.

    Oh, and pro-life votes. Because few things are more anti-life than murder.

    Replies: @Altai, @Templar

    India’s homicide rate is 3 times that of the UK.
    Polish homicide rates are slightly higher than the UK but in any society young men are the most likely to commit crime and a very large proportion of young Polish men are living in the UK (and other Western European countries) so the crimes that they commit appear as French Dutch or British homicides. Effectively Poland is a major crime exporter.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Templar

    You can't trust Indian's official crime rate.

    Certain types of homicides like honor killings won't be included.

  201. @John Johnson
    @ATBOTL

    What a clueless old boomer comment. Blacks are not scared to go anywhere now.

    I don't know if it is fear that motivates them but they still mainly stick to their turf.

    They are more likely to rob a cousin than drive out to the burbs.

    Blacks are creatures of habit more than any other group.

    Random home invasions by Black criminals are actually quite rare.

    All of the guns in the ghetto are purchased in red states by black straw buyers.

    People of all races do it to make quick cash. But it's a really bad idea since the Feds have informants and you will do serious time.

    Most of the local straw buys are actually from girlfriends or family members.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Rob McX

    The Second City Cop blog cites figures to show that the majority of guns seized from criminals in Chicago were sourced in Illinois.

  202. @utu
    @JohnPlywood

    "1 homicide a year is enormous for a small town of 6000. " - You are an enormous idiot. How do you know 'a year' is justified? In two out of four years we have data for there was no homicides. How many years w/o homicide in last 20 years? What if out of town 'tourists' were responsible for some homicides there? What if some perpetrators were not white?

    Picking 6000 town as your grand counterexample to black homicide epidemic was not very smart and you still persist.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    2 consecutive years with homicides is absolutely enormous for a small town of 6000 people. I grew up in a town that size, and there were no homicides for my residence there up to young adulthood. I would expect a homicide every 20 or 30 years. Back to back homicides yearly would have the population reeling. Hell, a burglary gets these communes all upset. Small towns of 6000 people don’t have this kind of crime. You wouldn’t know, because you’re a city boy, probably one with a lot of Jewish or southern European admixture. Something is deeply, deeply amoral in white America (which you aren’t a member of), and it’s getting worse.

    • Troll: utu
  203. @Steve Sailer
    @John Johnson

    I don't know the etymology of the black term "homeboy," but it struck me as apt. In England, you see white criminals doing "Clockwork Orange" style home invasions where they drive 50 miles out into the country to attack some remote house. In contrast, suburbs 50 miles northwest of South-Central L.A. have basically zero crime.

    Gun ownership helps, of course.

    Replies: @JackOH, @John Johnson, @Anonymous

    In the 1990s, a small city near me had a murder rate about 60 per 100,000. (Corrupt prosecutor, drugs, etc.) An immediately adjacent township, a sanctuary suburb for White flighters, with about the same population had a murder rate of 1/2 per 100,000.

    We’re sort of stuck with a weird and immensely destructive circumstantial censorship that says if we talk frankly about the massive dysfunctionality among America’s sometimes talented and often benighted Blacks, we’d seriously contemplate re-enslavement, a politico-racial Gulag, a Blackified Auschwitz, mass deportation, etc. How about the fair shake that was once found in many Northern cities and that was tacitly endorsed by “talented tenth” Blacks?

  204. @Anonymous
    @Corvinus


    “Blacks tend to be more “into the moment” than other races.”

    So, more or less your opinion, rather than based on scientific evidence, Mr. Sailer.
     
    And it's, more or less your opinion, rather than based on scientific evidence, that“Blacks tend to be more “into the moment” than other races.” is more or less "Mr. Sailer's" opinion, rather than based on scientific evidence".

    Great example of pilpul.
    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pilpul
    which can cause serious problems:
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what-is-pilpul-and-why-on_b_507522

    Of course, it's only my opinion that the above is important. Your opinion may vary, but of course that's only your opinion. In my opinion, your opinion about my opinion may be incorrect, and you opinion may be in accordance with mine in that regard. However, it's only your opinion, at least in my opinion is is, not that either of us have scientific proof.

    Of course, in my opinion it might be difficult to conduct a scientific experiment and construct a scientific model of pilpul, but that's just my opinion. Would you like to prove me wrong and conduct just one scientific experiment in which pilpul's properties are measured quantitatively? I'd be very interested in the subsequent paper. Of course, the scientific nature of the paper might be a matter of opinion, there being no instruments for measuring the scientific nature of a paper, and your opinion may be different from mine, at least in your opinion, so maybe pilpul would still manage to be separate from reality should you actually try for a scientific experiment that measured some property of pilpul.

    So: I'll make a request: Please continue illustrating just how useless pilpul is.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “So: I’ll make a request: Please continue illustrating just how useless pilpul is.”

    Well, you got triggered and demonstrated the concept yourself. And you also were kind enough to offer a red herring to boot.

  205. @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    Arson can run up the really big death tolls, like IIRC 95 at a Catholic school in Chicago in the 1950s.

    It sure is reassuring that Antifa attracts firebugs and they are getting so much practice.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Wilkey, @stillCARealist

    Happy Land, NYC, 1990. Arson becomes mass murder.

  206. @Kratoklastes
    @Joe Stalin

    It's beyond injustice that John Chapman is largely remembered only for a few apple orchards, as opposed to being pretty much a frontier Diogenes (albeit with a Yahweh overlay).

    John Chapman's life story is pretty amazing - it's a terrible shame that it was turned into a stupid Disneyfied cartoon.

    The planting of apple orchards (and peach trees) were a condition of land grants of 100 frontier acres, so creating 'pre-prepared' orchards helped frontier settlers - and Chapman made some small income from managing the orchards on other people's behalf.

    The apple trees he cultivated produced almost-inedible 'spitters' because they were grown from seed, which has been known since Roman times to produce nasty fruit - sweet fruit come from grafted stock. The fruit were actually destined for hard cider, which was the dominant tipple until Prohibition, with the average frontier adult consuming ~10oz (2/3 pint) of hard cider a day. It was drunk in preference to water, since water was a potential source of a range of diseases - English settlers in Australia had the same relationship with beer, as did monks in the Middle Ages.

    (Thoreau referred to the fruit from spitters as "sour enough to set a squirrel's teeth on edge and make a jay scream.")

    It's also worth noting that during Prohibition, the US Death Machine (specifically the FBI) sent teams of axe-wielding fuckwits to cut down all the cider-apple trees that they could find, and destroyed the basis for a return of the industry once the fuckwittedness of Prohibition was finally recognised.

    I have no doubt that the 1950s Disney-fication of Chapman's life was due, in part, to keeping the hard cider legacy of Johnny Appleseed firmly in the Memory Hole.

    Replies: @HA, @Art Deco

    It’s also worth noting that during Prohibition, the US Death Machine (specifically the FBI) sent teams of axe-wielding fuckwits to cut down all the cider-apple trees that they could find, and destroyed the basis for a return of the industry once the fuckwittedness of Prohibition was finally recognised.

    Enforcement of prohibition laws was vested in the Treasury Department. The FBI had about 650 employees ca. 1925.

  207. @Steve Sailer
    @John Johnson

    I don't know the etymology of the black term "homeboy," but it struck me as apt. In England, you see white criminals doing "Clockwork Orange" style home invasions where they drive 50 miles out into the country to attack some remote house. In contrast, suburbs 50 miles northwest of South-Central L.A. have basically zero crime.

    Gun ownership helps, of course.

    Replies: @JackOH, @John Johnson, @Anonymous

    In contrast, suburbs 50 miles northwest of South-Central L.A. have basically zero crime.

    Gun ownership helps, of course.

    Gun ownership helps but I suspect there is also a genetic factor.

    You also don’t see Blacks taking part in adventure type sports or hobbies.


    I don’t visit his blog so I don’t know his source. But Chicago actually releases pretty good data on where their guns come from.

    https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/city/depts/mayor/Press%20Room/Press%20Releases/2017/October/GTR2017.pdf

  208. @Templar
    @Reg Cæsar

    India's homicide rate is 3 times that of the UK.
    Polish homicide rates are slightly higher than the UK but in any society young men are the most likely to commit crime and a very large proportion of young Polish men are living in the UK (and other Western European countries) so the crimes that they commit appear as French Dutch or British homicides. Effectively Poland is a major crime exporter.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    You can’t trust Indian’s official crime rate.

    Certain types of homicides like honor killings won’t be included.

  209. @Jesse
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    It's part of the trucon inability to stand up for White people in and of themselves. You can't defend White people's rights to own guns on the grounds that they're not the ones, as a group, upping the murder rate.

    No, you have to defend the Second Amendment on the grounds that the original gun controllers did so explicitly to disarm Blacks (the horror!) and therefore something something racist.

    The flip side of the lefty anti gun types is that second amendment defenders always try to bring up Blacks when everyone (*everyone*) knows they're defending White rights. They'd be better off acknowledging it and moving on.

    Replies: @Sandmich

    The other thing I always see is how guns cannot be taken away because that’s what Hitler did so that he could gas the Jews

  210. @ATBOTL
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Blacks and leftists have been buying guns a lot in recent years. It's a trend that the conservative bubble isn't aware of, they still think right wing whites are the only ones with guns. Leftists and blacks are organizing militias across the country now. Just to be clear, blacks are consciously and openly buying more guns to fight right wing whites, not to protect themselves from black criminals. This is a step in the balkanization of America will eventually lead to Civil War Two.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Sandmich

    Threats to our safety should not be taken lightly, but at the same time were I in charge of organizing some armed black irregulars for some spontaneous violence I’d be concerned of never making it out of the mustering area alive.

  211. @Anonymous
    @Kronos

    Leftists (not liberals) like guns. They have no problem with gun ownership. "Arm the people" is an old left-wing rallying cry. However it's not in their interest to say so publicly at this time while there's still a possibility of talking their opponents into disarming themselves.

    Replies: @Kronos, @John Johnson, @Joe Stalin

    Leftists (not liberals) like guns. They have no problem with gun ownership. “Arm the people” is an old left-wing rallying cry. However it’s not in their interest to say so publicly at this time while there’s still a possibility of talking their opponents into disarming themselves.

    [36:00]

    • Replies: @anon
    @Joe Stalin

    Sergei Eisenstein made a propaganda movie. It was sort of based on reality. It's not history.

    Fun fact: more people were injured in the filming of "storming the Winter Palace" than actually got hurt in the actual event.

    Commies always keep control of guns under the State. It's axiomatic.

    , @John Johnson
    @Joe Stalin

    What the heck is your point?

    Yes the bolshevks used guns to violently take over the government because they had no belief that they could win through democracy.

    They also used guns to blow away capitalists, royalty, priests, small business farmers, certain non-Russian minorities and even people that seemed too smart.

    Then after the revolution they demanded that all guns be surrendered. That was a decree in 1918 by the council.

    Should probably do you research before posting here. This ain't anti-fa feelings based history talk.

  212. @Steve Sailer
    @John Johnson

    I don't know the etymology of the black term "homeboy," but it struck me as apt. In England, you see white criminals doing "Clockwork Orange" style home invasions where they drive 50 miles out into the country to attack some remote house. In contrast, suburbs 50 miles northwest of South-Central L.A. have basically zero crime.

    Gun ownership helps, of course.

    Replies: @JackOH, @John Johnson, @Anonymous

    Actually, Anthony Burgess based Clockwork Orange, in a great part, on a vicious rape on his wife during WW2, perpetrated by black American GIs based in England.

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
    @Anonymous

    "Actually, Anthony Burgess based Clockwork Orange, in a great part, on a vicious rape on his wife during WW2, perpetrated by black American GIs based in England."

    Interesting. Never knew that.

    , @Ian Smith
    @Anonymous

    I had heard the story about Burgess’s wife being attacked. I didn’t know they were black. I googled it and couldn’t find any reference to her attackers’ race. It makes sense, though. They like to hunt in packs.

  213. @Ian Smith
    @theMann

    Blacks are criminal everywhere. In the US, in the UK (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/oct/11/black-prison-population-increase-england),
    in the Caribbean, in Africa. I used to go on about muh welfare, muh black family and so on. The illegitimacy and drugs are symptoms, not causes, of black behavior.

    Replies: @Alice in Wonderland

    Have blacks ever been subject to extreme penalties for an extended period like Europeans were? I am thinking of the Bloody Code in 18th century England that saw many hanged for burglary. That is pretty strong selection against criminality.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Code

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Alice in Wonderland

    Have blacks ever been subject to extreme penalties for an extended period like Europeans were? I am thinking of the Bloody Code in 18th century England that saw many hanged for burglary. That is pretty strong selection against criminality.

    Would be true for any Islamic period.

    An interesting question though.

  214. @Joe Stalin
    @Anonymous


    Leftists (not liberals) like guns. They have no problem with gun ownership. “Arm the people” is an old left-wing rallying cry. However it’s not in their interest to say so publicly at this time while there’s still a possibility of talking their opponents into disarming themselves.
     
    https://youtu.be/YVuf3T3k-W0?t=2160
    [36:00]

    Replies: @anon, @John Johnson

    Sergei Eisenstein made a propaganda movie. It was sort of based on reality. It’s not history.

    Fun fact: more people were injured in the filming of “storming the Winter Palace” than actually got hurt in the actual event.

    Commies always keep control of guns under the State. It’s axiomatic.

  215. @brabantian
    Well actually the USA has the 4th lowest murder rate in all of the Americas, both North and South ... only Canada, Chile and Cuba are lower

    And most of those higher-rate murder countries throughout the Americas, have stricter 'gun control' laws, such as Mexico whose murder rate has been 3x the USA. Even countries people think of as 'peaceful' such as Costa Rica, has a murder rate 2.5x the USA.

    The moral is that, once a society tips over into a certain level of violence - which seems to be associated with multi-ethnic roots, more than poverty - the guns actually prevent a lot of crime

    Consider Brasil, where Bolsonaro's combination of tougher, go-ahead-and-shoot-the-bad-guys policing, plus more liberal, easier gun ownership, has been reducing the massive violent crime in Brasil

    It is clearly not the guns. In continental Europe - tho most Americans don't know it, confused and misled by Britain's 1990s confiscation of all handguns - there are tens of millions of legally-owned civilian handguns, shotguns and rifles, tho not the 'carry' laws like in the USA.

    And although having the 2nd highest continental rate of gun ownership in the world, Europe is the continent with the lowest murder and crime rates ... tho that has been climbing along with diversity

    White Americans, despite all their hundreds of millions of guns, have overall a murder rate not far from that of white Europeans

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @Joe Pescadillo, @Rahan

    In continental Europe – tho most Americans don’t know it, confused and misled by Britain’s 1990s confiscation of all handguns – there are tens of millions of legally-owned civilian handguns, shotguns and rifles, tho not the ‘carry’ laws like in the USA.

    This is something that tends to completely slip from the minds of most Anglosphericals.
    BTW, in places like Austria or the Czech Republic you can carry a concealed pistol with you, and in practically 100% of the continent you can register as a hunter and get a smoothbore rifle the day after.

    And in theory the smoothbore rifle is only good for taking out vermin, but in practice there’s always some AK-47 based badass option such as some new types of the Russian Saiga, and cheap Turkish knockoffs such as the KRAL XP. The Serbs I think also make stuff like that.

    And usually after a set number of years of owning a smoothbore without problems, you then get to progress to dandy Mossbergs and sheit.

    However. Yes in Europe you generally have to:
    a) Provide documentation that’s you’re neither insane nor a jailbird
    b) Register in a hunting or sporting club (or provide self-defense reasons)
    c) Undergo official training
    d) Accept random checkups on the state of your weapons once a year or along those lines. Although in many places this is done through lazy phonecalls and then people pretending there was a thorough check.

    However, if a citizen is capable of handling the paperwork, they do indeed get rewarded with some semi-AK rifle should they be so inclined. But an “easy impulse buy” it ain’t.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Rahan

    A smoothbore rifle is not a rifle, but a shotgun. Using rifled slugs they are effective out to maybe 100 meters. I don’t know if rifled slugs are even legal there. With shot shells, maybe 75 meters. Not nothing, but not great either.

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Rahan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation

    Ipso facto: All firearms are registered for immediate confiscation when the State deems it a necessity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwQ4QUGOmfs

  216. @Rahan
    @brabantian


    In continental Europe – tho most Americans don’t know it, confused and misled by Britain’s 1990s confiscation of all handguns – there are tens of millions of legally-owned civilian handguns, shotguns and rifles, tho not the ‘carry’ laws like in the USA.
     
    This is something that tends to completely slip from the minds of most Anglosphericals.
    BTW, in places like Austria or the Czech Republic you can carry a concealed pistol with you, and in practically 100% of the continent you can register as a hunter and get a smoothbore rifle the day after.

    And in theory the smoothbore rifle is only good for taking out vermin, but in practice there's always some AK-47 based badass option such as some new types of the Russian Saiga, and cheap Turkish knockoffs such as the KRAL XP. The Serbs I think also make stuff like that.

    And usually after a set number of years of owning a smoothbore without problems, you then get to progress to dandy Mossbergs and sheit.

    However. Yes in Europe you generally have to:
    a) Provide documentation that's you're neither insane nor a jailbird
    b) Register in a hunting or sporting club (or provide self-defense reasons)
    c) Undergo official training
    d) Accept random checkups on the state of your weapons once a year or along those lines. Although in many places this is done through lazy phonecalls and then people pretending there was a thorough check.

    However, if a citizen is capable of handling the paperwork, they do indeed get rewarded with some semi-AK rifle should they be so inclined. But an "easy impulse buy" it ain't.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Joe Stalin

    A smoothbore rifle is not a rifle, but a shotgun. Using rifled slugs they are effective out to maybe 100 meters. I don’t know if rifled slugs are even legal there. With shot shells, maybe 75 meters. Not nothing, but not great either.

  217. @Rahan
    @brabantian


    In continental Europe – tho most Americans don’t know it, confused and misled by Britain’s 1990s confiscation of all handguns – there are tens of millions of legally-owned civilian handguns, shotguns and rifles, tho not the ‘carry’ laws like in the USA.
     
    This is something that tends to completely slip from the minds of most Anglosphericals.
    BTW, in places like Austria or the Czech Republic you can carry a concealed pistol with you, and in practically 100% of the continent you can register as a hunter and get a smoothbore rifle the day after.

    And in theory the smoothbore rifle is only good for taking out vermin, but in practice there's always some AK-47 based badass option such as some new types of the Russian Saiga, and cheap Turkish knockoffs such as the KRAL XP. The Serbs I think also make stuff like that.

    And usually after a set number of years of owning a smoothbore without problems, you then get to progress to dandy Mossbergs and sheit.

    However. Yes in Europe you generally have to:
    a) Provide documentation that's you're neither insane nor a jailbird
    b) Register in a hunting or sporting club (or provide self-defense reasons)
    c) Undergo official training
    d) Accept random checkups on the state of your weapons once a year or along those lines. Although in many places this is done through lazy phonecalls and then people pretending there was a thorough check.

    However, if a citizen is capable of handling the paperwork, they do indeed get rewarded with some semi-AK rifle should they be so inclined. But an "easy impulse buy" it ain't.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Joe Stalin

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation

    Ipso facto: All firearms are registered for immediate confiscation when the State deems it a necessity.

  218. @Alice in Wonderland
    @Ian Smith

    Have blacks ever been subject to extreme penalties for an extended period like Europeans were? I am thinking of the Bloody Code in 18th century England that saw many hanged for burglary. That is pretty strong selection against criminality.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Code

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Have blacks ever been subject to extreme penalties for an extended period like Europeans were? I am thinking of the Bloody Code in 18th century England that saw many hanged for burglary. That is pretty strong selection against criminality.

    Would be true for any Islamic period.

    An interesting question though.

  219. @Joe Stalin
    @Anonymous


    Leftists (not liberals) like guns. They have no problem with gun ownership. “Arm the people” is an old left-wing rallying cry. However it’s not in their interest to say so publicly at this time while there’s still a possibility of talking their opponents into disarming themselves.
     
    https://youtu.be/YVuf3T3k-W0?t=2160
    [36:00]

    Replies: @anon, @John Johnson

    What the heck is your point?

    Yes the bolshevks used guns to violently take over the government because they had no belief that they could win through democracy.

    They also used guns to blow away capitalists, royalty, priests, small business farmers, certain non-Russian minorities and even people that seemed too smart.

    Then after the revolution they demanded that all guns be surrendered. That was a decree in 1918 by the council.

    Should probably do you research before posting here. This ain’t anti-fa feelings based history talk.

  220. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Actually, Anthony Burgess based Clockwork Orange, in a great part, on a vicious rape on his wife during WW2, perpetrated by black American GIs based in England.

    Replies: @Oscar Peterson, @Ian Smith

    “Actually, Anthony Burgess based Clockwork Orange, in a great part, on a vicious rape on his wife during WW2, perpetrated by black American GIs based in England.”

    Interesting. Never knew that.

  221. @Eric Novak
    @Anonymous

    You don’t even know what “gaslighting” means, Boomer. Try getting the SAT practice books from ‘72 and then re-reading my post. You blather on like a dummy who can’t find a point in a topic.

    Replies: @By-tor

    What is this smug ‘boomer’ slight besides a late night talk show TV retort? This is the second time on this thread that I have read it. Any version of the SAT from 1972 would be too difficult for anyone coming of age during the 1990’s and 2000’s- that is for sure.

  222. I bet its more a matter of IQ than race, I bet a survey of whiteguys convicted of murder would reveal a lot of really low IQ white guys. As far as blacks having lower IQs, thousands of years of slavery I think would tend to lower the IQ of the slaves, nobody likes a smart assed slave.

    First rule of human husbandry, never let the livestock get too smart.

    In most slave economies the slaves outnumber the masters by a huge percentage, they have numerical superiority, why dont they rebel? IQ

  223. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Actually, Anthony Burgess based Clockwork Orange, in a great part, on a vicious rape on his wife during WW2, perpetrated by black American GIs based in England.

    Replies: @Oscar Peterson, @Ian Smith

    I had heard the story about Burgess’s wife being attacked. I didn’t know they were black. I googled it and couldn’t find any reference to her attackers’ race. It makes sense, though. They like to hunt in packs.

  224. @onetwothree
    In a real revolutionary situation, it is indeed those deer rifles that will be needed. Handguns are used about as much as kung fu in actual combat.

    Replies: @Paul Rise, @Joe Stalin, @Don't Look at Me

    In a conventional war you are 100% correct. But in an internal civil war without the dividing line we had in the last one, having a side arm allows for an up close assassination.

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