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From Reuters:

Putin rejects Donald Trump’s criticism of Biden family business
By Andrew Osborn

MOSCOW (Reuters) – Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Sunday that he saw nothing criminal in Hunter Biden’s past business ties with Ukraine or Russia, marking out his disagreement with one of Donald Trump’s attack lines in the U.S. presidential election.

Putin was responding to comments made by Trump during televised debates with Democratic challenger Joe Biden ahead of the Nov. 3 election.

Trump, who is trailing in opinion polls, has used the debates to make accusations that Biden and his son Hunter engaged in unethical practices in Ukraine. No evidence has been verified to support the allegations, and Joe Biden has called them false and discredited.

Putin, who has praised Trump in the past for saying he wanted better ties with Moscow, has said Russia will work with any U.S. leader, while noting what he called Joe Biden’s “sharp anti-Russian rhetoric”.

Putin appeared less friendly towards Trump in remarks broadcast by Russian state TV on Sunday. In what may be seen by some analysts as an attempt to try to curry favour with the Biden camp, he took the time to knock down what he made clear he regarded as false allegations from Trump about the Bidens.

“Yes, in Ukraine he (Hunter Biden) had or maybe still has a business, I don’t know. It doesn’t concern us. It concerns the Americans and the Ukrainians,” said Putin.

“But well yes he had at least one company, which he practically headed up, and judging from everything he made good money. I don’t see anything criminal about this, at least we don’t know anything about this (being criminal).”

Putin also reacted with visible irritation when asked about comments Trump has made concerning Putin’s ties to the former mayor of Moscow, and to an alleged payment made to Hunter Biden by the ex-mayor’s widow. Putin said he knew nothing about the existence of any commercial relationship between Hunter and the woman. Joe Biden says the accusation about his son is not true.

U.S. intelligence agencies concluded that Russia tried to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election to tilt the contest in Trump’s favour, an allegation Moscow has denied. Russia has also dismissed accusations by U.S. intelligence agencies of trying to interfere with this year’s election too.

By the way, how much has Putin stolen? A billion, ten billion, or a hundred billion?

The giant “Putin’s Palace” near Sochi is disappointingly tasteful, done up in an 18th Century Enlightened Autocrat style ideal for inviting Voltaire for an extended stay.

 
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  1. Steve, did you see the Hunter Biden footjob tape?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Anon

    But why is it important whether Hunter gets a footjob, blowjob or rimjob? He's not even up for election.

    Also


    In what may be seen by some analysts as an attempt to try to curry favour with the Biden camp
     
    More like anal cysts than analysts. Anyone outside the DC cretinization sphere regards USA as not agreement capable. You don't curry favour with rabid animals.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @reactionry
    @Anon

    Did "Tony Rocky Horror" Hunter give a "foot massage?"

    Replies: @reactionry

    , @Anon
    @Anon


    Steve, did you see the Hunter Biden footjob tape?
     
    Does any voter really care about all this stuff? You have a choice of two people. You do not have a line-item veto of their characteristics. You vote based on judicial appointments, cabinet appointments, executive policy, what two or three legislative thrusts will the candidate spend his political capital on, etc. If a candidate is corrupt and steels several billion dollars, does it really matter in the overall scheme of the entire nation? No. If the candidate has moral shortcomings does it matter? Only to extreme moralists and religious outliers. If a candidate gets blowjobs from an intern, who cares. If a candidate kills ten interns while in office, even then ... in the contest of the nation and its economy and crime and so on ... maybe that doesn't even really matter, in a weird trolley car way of thinking about it.
    , @Neoconned
    @Anon

    Isn't this called the Barbara Streisand effect?

  2. “The Biden family is no more crooked than the leading figures in the Russian Federation.”

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Richard B
    @PhysicistDave


    “The Biden family is no more crooked than the leading figures in the Russian Federation.”
     
    Exactly. Neither one would think twice about stealing an election. This might explain why Putin's comment sounds like an endorsement. Maybe it's because he already knows the outcome of the election and wants to get along with the winner.
  3. Putin didn’t say they were innocent. He said he wasn’t aware of any crime.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @Simple Pseudonymic Handlerf

    Shhhh! Haven’t you learned that you’re supposed to keep any critical thinking to yourself?

    Everything about this “news” — the fuzzy context, the use of only a snippet of what was actually said, and even Mr. Sailer’s headline — confirms the need to read an accurately translated transcript, with a video available to assess tone and facial expression, before giving it any significance.

    As another commenter has pointed out, the real message is the doxology:


    U.S. intelligence agencies concluded that Russia tried to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election to tilt the contest in Trump’s favour, an allegation Moscow has denied. Russia has also dismissed accusations by U.S. intelligence agencies of trying to interfere with this year’s election too.
     
    To Reuter’s relative credit, most US media stop chanting at the first comma.

    And what hypocrisy. Ms. Nuland and the GQ Exceptional! “ambassador” to Ukraine even passed out cookies as they directed a coup. Where that hasn’t worked, Uncle Sam is outright waging economic and kinetic war on every country that he doesn’t already control. Yet the Red and Blue sheep are manipulated with scary stories about “election interference,” a discrete example of which they wouldn’t dare ask to see for themselves.

    The next Most Important Election Ever is barely a week away, and you don’t even need to leave The Unz Review (see also, Buchanan, Derbyshire, Mercer) to notice the second wave of Chinadidit and Russia bashing. Bipartisan Beltway propaganda, slurped up because most people want to blame the rot in their country on anyone but themselves and the Establishment they secure by voting.
    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Simple Pseudonymic Handlerf

    https://media1.tenor.com/images/aa75bb148c0249538375a251e262f296/tenor.gif?itemid=17652502

    , @Aardvark
    @Simple Pseudonymic Handlerf

    Wouldn't politicians in any country see it as their universal right to use their influence to make money in this order:

    1. For themselves, but if this is not permitted or would cause too much trouble in the country of authority then...
    2. For their relatives, unless problematic as in #1 then...
    3. Friends, unless problematic as in #1 then...
    4. A company that may promise other things in return such as campaign contributions, favorable publicity, an agreement for a job or board position once they are out of office, company might hire relatives.

    I pretty sure that there are way more "leaders" than Putin who do not see anything wrong with what he did as they would surely do the same thing themselves if they could.

    This is where not nearly enough people truly recognize who corrupt politics is period... because of partisanship they are always willing to overlook the transgressions of a politician affiliated with their favored political party.

    , @George
    @Simple Pseudonymic Handlerf

    Putin is correct, there was no violation of a law. I believe the cliche is you pay for access, and nothing more.

  4. Wtf Putin is shilling for Joe now. I’m shook.

    • Replies: @Black-hole creator
    @AndrewR

    Just another fine example of realpolitik, without the weird posturing that you can see in the West. Everybody knows that the dice is loaded, does not mean Putin should become hysterical about it. That dude knows how to save his face.

  5. The Left’s plan is to rig Pennsylvania: they recently got a ruling out of the PA, heavily Democratic, state Supreme Court holding that the signatures on mail-in ballots do not have to match at all the signatures on file.

    It now appears that there is a good chance that Trump will take all of the states he took in 2016 with the possible exceptions of PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan. PA looks like his best shot among the three.

    So, the Left has to steal PA.

    The GOP seems to have no plan to fight the signature-fraud issue. The GOP is fighting on the issue of allowing mail-in ballots that arrive after election day, hoping that ACB on the US Supreme Court will win this issue for the GOP.

    A mistake, I think — signature fraud should be enough for the Dems to steal the election.

    Which raises the question of what decent Americans must do in the event of brazen stealing of the election by the Left.

    The Dems are going to flood the streets with their thugs. I think normal Americans need to have the courage to show up physically at rallies in support of the rule of law.

    How many have the courage to do so? Our ancestors had such courage — my grandfather was in the Pacific theater in WWII, my uncle on the other side of the family was a naval aviator. My great grandmother lost her younger brother in WW I. That’s far more courage than required to show up for a peaceful rally to defend an honest election.

    Do many normal Americans today still have even that minimal level of courage?

    “These are the time that try men’s souls…”

    • Agree: Polynikes
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @PhysicistDave

    I agree 100% with you about PA. A lot of leftist money has gone into that state, and as you point out the state has arranged the rules to make it possible for the party to "Daley-fy" the election by waiting for the preliminary vote to come in so they know how many ballots to mail in afterwards.

    The problem right now (other than the fraud, of course) is twofold:
    (1) The Republicans are not speaking loudly and articulately enough about what's going on, so that people know ahead of time and it doesn't look like ex post sour grapes.
    (2) The protests will not be peaceful because the left/Antifa will accuse whoever shows up of violence and start brawling. This has been their pattern since the Proud Boys scuffle immediately after the 2016 election. But you are talking about the necessity for comfortable, soft middle-aged people to get off their couches to risk getting beat on the head or having caustic substances thrown on them or worse. People are not ready for that yet. My boomer father is a Trump voter but he's still not sure if Biden is corrupt or not.

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar

    , @The Alarmist
    @PhysicistDave


    The GOP seems to have no plan to fight the signature-fraud issue. The GOP is fighting on the issue of allowing mail-in ballots that arrive after election day, hoping that ACB on the US Supreme Court will win this issue for the GOP.
     
    The GOP knows the Republican-dominated state legislature of PA could shut this down by a simple resolution that asserts their Constitutional authority in the matter, and there is no requirement for the governor to be involved if the Legislature exercises its Constitutional authority, if they so choose.

    The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof…

    — Article 1 § 4 US Constitution

     


    Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress…

    The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate.

    — Article 2 § 1 US Constitution

     

    The PA court orders would apply only to state and local offices.
    , @reactionry
    @PhysicistDave

    These are the times that try men's souls for the "crime" of white "supremacy."

    , @AndrewR
    @PhysicistDave

    Today's state of affairs is a direct result of the conquest of Germany and the subsequent demonization of the German folk.

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @PhysicistDave


    Do many normal Americans today still have even that minimal level of courage?
     
    No.

    Normie just wants to grill, chill, and watch endless joggerball while Soros' forces place the pillow over fair Columbia's visage.

    Replies: @GeneralRipper

    , @eD
    @PhysicistDave

    "The Left’s plan is to rig Pennsylvania: they recently got a ruling out of the PA, heavily Democratic, state Supreme Court holding that the signatures on mail-in ballots do not have to match at all the signatures on file."

    Yeah, I live in the state and I am starting to suspect that I have already voted for Biden, probably several times.

    However, as other commentators have pointed out, there is a good chance much of the GOP, and yes that includes Trump himself, is in on this. We will find out in November. State parties have tools to stop these things, if they really want to use them, especially in states where they have majorities in the state legislature. And I don't see anything in tradcon Barrett's record that would keep her from being part of the "surprising" 5-4 Supreme Court majority (Roberts, Barrett, and the three Democratic appointed justices) upholding this. If Trump wanted to stop election fraud he should have appointed the alternative judicial candidate from Florida.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @J.Ross

    , @Realist
    @PhysicistDave


    Do many normal Americans today still have even that minimal level of courage?
     
    No...not for decades.
    , @MBlanc46
    @PhysicistDave

    A call to arms....

    , @reiner Tor
    @PhysicistDave


    How many have the courage to do so? Our ancestors had such courage — my grandfather was in the Pacific theater in WWII, my uncle on the other side of the family was a naval aviator. My great grandmother lost her younger brother in WW I. That’s far more courage than required to show up for a peaceful rally to defend an honest election.
     
    Actually that’s a totally different kind of courage than the one needed to participate in a rally where your face could be televised.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @dvorak
    @PhysicistDave


    So, the Left has to steal PA.
     
    Biden is already screwed in Penn.

    Voters who fail to use the envelope inside an envelope will have their votes thrown out, statewide, (without a quantum of solace). Democrats have already conceded on this point of law, and are (without hope) educating their (low-information) voters about the double envelope.

    One weird trick for having your Penn. mail-in ballot counted: Use an envelope within the envelope.

  6. They still lie this lie about “Russian interference.”

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @J.Ross

    The government agency that says Russia is helping Trump also says China is helping Biden. The China part never gets mentioned in the MSM, though.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Neoconned
    @J.Ross

    The thing i don't get regarding that argument is that even if the Russians did - Trump still won most of the Midwest fair and square in a classic hare & tortoise storyline.

    Trump busted his tail in the months leading up to November of 2016 doing whirlwind rallies primarily in Wisconsin etc.

    Meanwhile while Hillary made her stupid deplorable comment and sat on her ass & didn't do any campaigning much less in flyover country.....

    Trump won 2016 fair and square....

    And foreign interference? What about everybody from Saudi to Mexico to the UK to Japan to the Israelis to many many others using lobbyists and various 501 c 3 type dark money vehicles to bribe our politicians and mess with our elections? Has the media forgot about lobbyists taking cash and gifts for our politicians from foreign actors or countries?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  7. @J.Ross
    They still lie this lie about "Russian interference."

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Neoconned

    The government agency that says Russia is helping Trump also says China is helping Biden. The China part never gets mentioned in the MSM, though.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Redneck farmer

    It's not a government agency, it's a lie from an unnecessary meta-agency slapped together vaguely to be able to maintain frame and endorsed by our crooked Senate, and I really don't see what any of that has to do with the other thing. The Russia hoax was always nonsense and Biden's ties to China et al are well demonstrated by documents and witnesses (that is, real things which exist in the world separate fron any agency), and are not in doubt. You seem to imply that if the church doesn't bless my food that I earned and cooked myself, then I won't have any food any more. Insofar as government agencies play any role here it is in enabling criminals to break the law.
    But maybe I'm just being -- nope, Chris Wray is still drawing breath from the Hoover closet.

  8. @PhysicistDave
    The Left's plan is to rig Pennsylvania: they recently got a ruling out of the PA, heavily Democratic, state Supreme Court holding that the signatures on mail-in ballots do not have to match at all the signatures on file.

    It now appears that there is a good chance that Trump will take all of the states he took in 2016 with the possible exceptions of PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan. PA looks like his best shot among the three.

    So, the Left has to steal PA.

    The GOP seems to have no plan to fight the signature-fraud issue. The GOP is fighting on the issue of allowing mail-in ballots that arrive after election day, hoping that ACB on the US Supreme Court will win this issue for the GOP.

    A mistake, I think -- signature fraud should be enough for the Dems to steal the election.

    Which raises the question of what decent Americans must do in the event of brazen stealing of the election by the Left.

    The Dems are going to flood the streets with their thugs. I think normal Americans need to have the courage to show up physically at rallies in support of the rule of law.

    How many have the courage to do so? Our ancestors had such courage -- my grandfather was in the Pacific theater in WWII, my uncle on the other side of the family was a naval aviator. My great grandmother lost her younger brother in WW I. That's far more courage than required to show up for a peaceful rally to defend an honest election.

    Do many normal Americans today still have even that minimal level of courage?

    "These are the time that try men's souls..."

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @The Alarmist, @reactionry, @AndrewR, @The Wild Geese Howard, @eD, @Realist, @MBlanc46, @reiner Tor, @dvorak

    I agree 100% with you about PA. A lot of leftist money has gone into that state, and as you point out the state has arranged the rules to make it possible for the party to “Daley-fy” the election by waiting for the preliminary vote to come in so they know how many ballots to mail in afterwards.

    The problem right now (other than the fraud, of course) is twofold:
    (1) The Republicans are not speaking loudly and articulately enough about what’s going on, so that people know ahead of time and it doesn’t look like ex post sour grapes.
    (2) The protests will not be peaceful because the left/Antifa will accuse whoever shows up of violence and start brawling. This has been their pattern since the Proud Boys scuffle immediately after the 2016 election. But you are talking about the necessity for comfortable, soft middle-aged people to get off their couches to risk getting beat on the head or having caustic substances thrown on them or worse. People are not ready for that yet. My boomer father is a Trump voter but he’s still not sure if Biden is corrupt or not.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Chrisnonymous

    My boomer father is a Trump voter but he’s still not sure if Biden is corrupt or not.

    https://media.giphy.com/media/B4ORVnBvJCVvq/giphy.gif

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Chrisnonymous


    I agree 100% with you about PA. A lot of leftist money has gone into that state, and as you point out the state has arranged the rules to make it possible for the party to “Daley-fy” the election by waiting for the preliminary vote to come in so they know how many ballots to mail in afterwards.

     

    They don't make Pennsylvania Democrats like James Michener anymore, or even Bob Casey. Michener was a elector in 1968, and devised a plan in which he and the other electors would give their votes to Nixon (or persuade Republican electors to give theirs to Humphrey) should he receive the plurality, in the case of Wallace denying a majority to either candidate.

    It was basically Wallace-in-reverse, to keep the election out of the House, where Wallace would have leverage. Michener learned that another Penna. elector had come up with a similar plan. It was really radical centrism-- radical in that though there have been a number of "faithless" electors over the years, none has ever gone all the way to the other side since William Plumer did in 1820.

    Michener was a true goo-goo. He started out as a Republican in his youth.

    Pennsylvania is the only state which stipulates that the candidate himself choose his electors. Humphrey delegated this chore to locals, according to Michener. Years later, Electoral College scholar Robert Alexander, who interviews electors for research, called a Pennsylvania elector only to hear a strong Southern accent. He turned out to be an Arkansan who'd grown up with Bill Clinton and was now based in the Keystone State.

  9. @Anon
    Steve, did you see the Hunter Biden footjob tape?

    https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1320173531074682881

    Replies: @El Dato, @reactionry, @Anon, @Neoconned

    But why is it important whether Hunter gets a footjob, blowjob or rimjob? He’s not even up for election.

    Also

    In what may be seen by some analysts as an attempt to try to curry favour with the Biden camp

    More like anal cysts than analysts. Anyone outside the DC cretinization sphere regards USA as not agreement capable. You don’t curry favour with rabid animals.

    • Troll: AndrewR
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @El Dato

    Leaving Hunter's corrupt and likely criminal activities directly involving Joe aside, there are well over 100 million people eligible to become PotUS. The vast majority of them do not have sons who allow themselves to be recorded smoking crack while getting a footjob. Also, the vast majority of them have sharper mental faculties than Joe Biden, and are much younger than the median age of death.

    If you still think that a presidential candidate shouldn't be judged for the sins and crimes of his own children, recall that Joe himself promotes an ideology in which I as a white man am responsible for what other people's ancestors did 200 years ago. If it's good for the goose it's good for the... wait, how does that go? Listen here, jack. Enough malarkey. Come on, man!

  10. What a total shill job by Reuters

    Putin: “…see nothing criminal…”
    Trump: “…used the debates to make accusations that Biden and his son Hunter engaged in unethical practices…”

    Reuters: “…marking out [Putin’s] disagreement with one of Donald Trump’s attack lines…”

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Mikael_

    So - there is a difference there - just not for Reuter's. A "shill job" in the grey zone where you could always argue that such small differences don't matter at all. That Reuter's had just been clarifying what Putin said...

    Replies: @Mikael_

  11. by denying he’s aware of a crime, he’s 1.) probably telling the truth, at least technically speaking as it’s unlikely the Russian gov’t has an official position about this deal in the Ukraine; 2.) he removes himself from entanglement in our potentially catastrophic situation; 3.) he takes some steam out of the Russian disinformation claim, which is made by the same people and institutions that have tried to screw him for years. Those are his real enemies in the West, and he’d strengthen them if he appeared to be a Trump ally in this moment.

  12. I don’t think Americans get the dry sense of humour they have in Russia.

    • Agree: Polistra, Cortes, Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @Kibernetika
    @LondonBob

    I don’t think Americans get the dry sense of humour they have in Russia.

    Yes. In general, Western sophisticates these days are greatly disadvantaged in that regard. We've all got different rulebooks.

  13. Sounds like someone has a case of Putin envy.

  14. @Simple Pseudonymic Handlerf
    Putin didn't say they were innocent. He said he wasn't aware of any crime.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Bardon Kaldian, @Aardvark, @George

    Shhhh! Haven’t you learned that you’re supposed to keep any critical thinking to yourself?

    Everything about this “news” — the fuzzy context, the use of only a snippet of what was actually said, and even Mr. Sailer’s headline — confirms the need to read an accurately translated transcript, with a video available to assess tone and facial expression, before giving it any significance.

    As another commenter has pointed out, the real message is the doxology:

    U.S. intelligence agencies concluded that Russia tried to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election to tilt the contest in Trump’s favour, an allegation Moscow has denied. Russia has also dismissed accusations by U.S. intelligence agencies of trying to interfere with this year’s election too.

    To Reuter’s relative credit, most US media stop chanting at the first comma.

    And what hypocrisy. Ms. Nuland and the GQ Exceptional! “ambassador” to Ukraine even passed out cookies as they directed a coup. Where that hasn’t worked, Uncle Sam is outright waging economic and kinetic war on every country that he doesn’t already control. Yet the Red and Blue sheep are manipulated with scary stories about “election interference,” a discrete example of which they wouldn’t dare ask to see for themselves.

    The next Most Important Election Ever is barely a week away, and you don’t even need to leave The Unz Review (see also, Buchanan, Derbyshire, Mercer) to notice the second wave of Chinadidit and Russia bashing. Bipartisan Beltway propaganda, slurped up because most people want to blame the rot in their country on anyone but themselves and the Establishment they secure by voting.

  15. Important to note in absolutely no way would a Russian politician or businessman be allowed to sell out the national interest for their own personal gain.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • LOL: Redman
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @LondonBob

    Yeltsin?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @anonymous
    @LondonBob

    Don't you just love all these commenters who pontificate at length about how Russians are inherently corrupt, the country is just a wasteland that sells gas, etc etc, but who have never been there and barely even know basic facts about the subject? All these dummies fancy themselves to be experts based on reading the local newspaper and don't hesitate to make a host of sweeping statements.

  16. By the way, where is Hunter Biden, has anyone seen a comment from him lately? Is he in the U. S., alive? I would like a member of the press to verify whether the map of the Finger Lakes on his back is a tattoo, or a Sharpie doodle.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @figg

    The latest rumor is that he is dead.

    Seriously:
    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/10/rumors.html

  17. @PhysicistDave
    The Left's plan is to rig Pennsylvania: they recently got a ruling out of the PA, heavily Democratic, state Supreme Court holding that the signatures on mail-in ballots do not have to match at all the signatures on file.

    It now appears that there is a good chance that Trump will take all of the states he took in 2016 with the possible exceptions of PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan. PA looks like his best shot among the three.

    So, the Left has to steal PA.

    The GOP seems to have no plan to fight the signature-fraud issue. The GOP is fighting on the issue of allowing mail-in ballots that arrive after election day, hoping that ACB on the US Supreme Court will win this issue for the GOP.

    A mistake, I think -- signature fraud should be enough for the Dems to steal the election.

    Which raises the question of what decent Americans must do in the event of brazen stealing of the election by the Left.

    The Dems are going to flood the streets with their thugs. I think normal Americans need to have the courage to show up physically at rallies in support of the rule of law.

    How many have the courage to do so? Our ancestors had such courage -- my grandfather was in the Pacific theater in WWII, my uncle on the other side of the family was a naval aviator. My great grandmother lost her younger brother in WW I. That's far more courage than required to show up for a peaceful rally to defend an honest election.

    Do many normal Americans today still have even that minimal level of courage?

    "These are the time that try men's souls..."

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @The Alarmist, @reactionry, @AndrewR, @The Wild Geese Howard, @eD, @Realist, @MBlanc46, @reiner Tor, @dvorak

    The GOP seems to have no plan to fight the signature-fraud issue. The GOP is fighting on the issue of allowing mail-in ballots that arrive after election day, hoping that ACB on the US Supreme Court will win this issue for the GOP.

    The GOP knows the Republican-dominated state legislature of PA could shut this down by a simple resolution that asserts their Constitutional authority in the matter, and there is no requirement for the governor to be involved if the Legislature exercises its Constitutional authority, if they so choose.

    The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof…

    — Article 1 § 4 US Constitution

    Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress…

    The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate.

    — Article 2 § 1 US Constitution

    The PA court orders would apply only to state and local offices.

  18. @Anon
    Steve, did you see the Hunter Biden footjob tape?

    https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1320173531074682881

    Replies: @El Dato, @reactionry, @Anon, @Neoconned

    Did “Tony Rocky Horror” Hunter give a “foot massage?”

    • Replies: @reactionry
    @reactionry

    According to Harvey Weinstein's old newsletter, The Lolita Express, a great grandfather (one of "two Dorset* parsons" in the family tree) of the "enchanted" Hunter "Humbert" Biden was an expert in the "obscure" subject of paleopedology.
    Paleopedology is the study of ancient

    A. pedophilia
    B. feet
    C. soils

    * Dorset - see also Tony Dorsett, Tony Rocky Horror, the horror of Joe Biden & the nuclear football

  19. @PhysicistDave
    The Left's plan is to rig Pennsylvania: they recently got a ruling out of the PA, heavily Democratic, state Supreme Court holding that the signatures on mail-in ballots do not have to match at all the signatures on file.

    It now appears that there is a good chance that Trump will take all of the states he took in 2016 with the possible exceptions of PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan. PA looks like his best shot among the three.

    So, the Left has to steal PA.

    The GOP seems to have no plan to fight the signature-fraud issue. The GOP is fighting on the issue of allowing mail-in ballots that arrive after election day, hoping that ACB on the US Supreme Court will win this issue for the GOP.

    A mistake, I think -- signature fraud should be enough for the Dems to steal the election.

    Which raises the question of what decent Americans must do in the event of brazen stealing of the election by the Left.

    The Dems are going to flood the streets with their thugs. I think normal Americans need to have the courage to show up physically at rallies in support of the rule of law.

    How many have the courage to do so? Our ancestors had such courage -- my grandfather was in the Pacific theater in WWII, my uncle on the other side of the family was a naval aviator. My great grandmother lost her younger brother in WW I. That's far more courage than required to show up for a peaceful rally to defend an honest election.

    Do many normal Americans today still have even that minimal level of courage?

    "These are the time that try men's souls..."

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @The Alarmist, @reactionry, @AndrewR, @The Wild Geese Howard, @eD, @Realist, @MBlanc46, @reiner Tor, @dvorak

    These are the times that try men’s souls for the “crime” of white “supremacy.”

  20. @Mikael_
    What a total shill job by Reuters

    Putin: "...see nothing criminal..."
    Trump: "...used the debates to make accusations that Biden and his son Hunter engaged in unethical practices..."

    Reuters: "...marking out [Putin's] disagreement with one of Donald Trump’s attack lines..."

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    So – there is a difference there – just not for Reuter’s. A “shill job” in the grey zone where you could always argue that such small differences don’t matter at all. That Reuter’s had just been clarifying what Putin said…

    • Replies: @Mikael_
    @Dieter Kief

    You didn't get it, or are you deliberately glossing it over?

    Reuters claimed a disagreement where there is no factual one.
    Their whole article is a laughable attempt to exaggerate difference in used words, or even just visible irritation (about what exactly? why no video link?) into some foundational differences.

    One more time very slowly:
    Putin said "saw nothing criminal", while Trump never stated Biden's action were clearly illegal.
    Trump said "Biden and his son Hunter engaged in unethical practices", while Putin never disputed that or just declared said practices to be acceptable.
    Now where's the disagreement exactly?

  21. @reactionry
    @Anon

    Did "Tony Rocky Horror" Hunter give a "foot massage?"

    Replies: @reactionry

    According to Harvey Weinstein’s old newsletter, The Lolita Express, a great grandfather (one of “two Dorset* parsons” in the family tree) of the “enchanted” Hunter “Humbert” Biden was an expert in the “obscure” subject of paleopedology.
    Paleopedology is the study of ancient

    A. pedophilia
    B. feet
    C. soils

    * Dorset – see also Tony Dorsett, Tony Rocky Horror, the horror of Joe Biden & the nuclear football

  22. OT…. Hahahhah…

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-calls-sacha-baron-cohen-161247299.html
    ……………

    While speaking to reporters on Air Force One on Friday, Trump was asked whether he was worried about security breaches after footage showed an actress from the movie apparently getting into the White House. He told reporters that he doesn’t “know what happened” and followed his answer up with commentary on Baron Cohen.

    “Years ago, you know, he tried to scam me,” Trump said, noting Baron Cohen had disguised himself as a BBC anchor, according to a copy of the pool report obtained by USA TODAY. “That’s a phony guy. And I don’t find him funny.”

    The “scam” happened 15 years ago, the president added, but he didn’t elaborate. “To me he was a creep,” Trump said.

  23. Anon[305] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Steve, did you see the Hunter Biden footjob tape?

    https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1320173531074682881

    Replies: @El Dato, @reactionry, @Anon, @Neoconned

    Steve, did you see the Hunter Biden footjob tape?

    Does any voter really care about all this stuff? You have a choice of two people. You do not have a line-item veto of their characteristics. You vote based on judicial appointments, cabinet appointments, executive policy, what two or three legislative thrusts will the candidate spend his political capital on, etc. If a candidate is corrupt and steels several billion dollars, does it really matter in the overall scheme of the entire nation? No. If the candidate has moral shortcomings does it matter? Only to extreme moralists and religious outliers. If a candidate gets blowjobs from an intern, who cares. If a candidate kills ten interns while in office, even then … in the contest of the nation and its economy and crime and so on … maybe that doesn’t even really matter, in a weird trolley car way of thinking about it.

  24. @El Dato
    @Anon

    But why is it important whether Hunter gets a footjob, blowjob or rimjob? He's not even up for election.

    Also


    In what may be seen by some analysts as an attempt to try to curry favour with the Biden camp
     
    More like anal cysts than analysts. Anyone outside the DC cretinization sphere regards USA as not agreement capable. You don't curry favour with rabid animals.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Leaving Hunter’s corrupt and likely criminal activities directly involving Joe aside, there are well over 100 million people eligible to become PotUS. The vast majority of them do not have sons who allow themselves to be recorded smoking crack while getting a footjob. Also, the vast majority of them have sharper mental faculties than Joe Biden, and are much younger than the median age of death.

    If you still think that a presidential candidate shouldn’t be judged for the sins and crimes of his own children, recall that Joe himself promotes an ideology in which I as a white man am responsible for what other people’s ancestors did 200 years ago. If it’s good for the goose it’s good for the… wait, how does that go? Listen here, jack. Enough malarkey. Come on, man!

  25. @PhysicistDave
    The Left's plan is to rig Pennsylvania: they recently got a ruling out of the PA, heavily Democratic, state Supreme Court holding that the signatures on mail-in ballots do not have to match at all the signatures on file.

    It now appears that there is a good chance that Trump will take all of the states he took in 2016 with the possible exceptions of PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan. PA looks like his best shot among the three.

    So, the Left has to steal PA.

    The GOP seems to have no plan to fight the signature-fraud issue. The GOP is fighting on the issue of allowing mail-in ballots that arrive after election day, hoping that ACB on the US Supreme Court will win this issue for the GOP.

    A mistake, I think -- signature fraud should be enough for the Dems to steal the election.

    Which raises the question of what decent Americans must do in the event of brazen stealing of the election by the Left.

    The Dems are going to flood the streets with their thugs. I think normal Americans need to have the courage to show up physically at rallies in support of the rule of law.

    How many have the courage to do so? Our ancestors had such courage -- my grandfather was in the Pacific theater in WWII, my uncle on the other side of the family was a naval aviator. My great grandmother lost her younger brother in WW I. That's far more courage than required to show up for a peaceful rally to defend an honest election.

    Do many normal Americans today still have even that minimal level of courage?

    "These are the time that try men's souls..."

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @The Alarmist, @reactionry, @AndrewR, @The Wild Geese Howard, @eD, @Realist, @MBlanc46, @reiner Tor, @dvorak

    Today’s state of affairs is a direct result of the conquest of Germany and the subsequent demonization of the German folk.

  26. As expected, even Russia is aware of this Falun Gong disinfo campaign. Only Unz commenters would be stupid enough to actually believe it’s Hunter Biden in those videos.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
    @Supply and Demand

    I have to admit that I was skeptical that it was Hunter Biden when I heard about the 9.5" penis.

    That is more in the territory of George Floyd.

  27. I think most Russians don’t care too much about corruption under Putin. From their point of view, corruption is better than it was under Yeltsin, when it was a free for all by the oligarchs. Now, the only oligarchs allowed to operate are Putin’s oligarchs, with his permission. To them, that’s an improvement.

    Putin almost certainly has the best combination of relative competence in governance and relative absence of repression that they’ve ever experienced in a leader.

    That that balance or equilibrium may be beyond the bounds of what is acceptable in Western Europe or America is a moot point to most of them.

    The chart below is essential to understanding why Russians think Putin pulled them back from the brink.(note that the y-axis begins at $12,000.) It also helps that he comes across as being competent and in charge of things to the public, especially during his annual Q&A sessions.

    • Thanks: Rob McX, J.Ross
    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @PiltdownMan

    Exceptional! insight.


    Putin almost certainly has the best combination of relative competence in governance and relative absence of repression that they’ve ever experienced in a leader.
     
    And how does he compare to those you’ve ever experienced?
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @PiltdownMan

    What are Gini coefficients or median wages doing in Russia?

    I ask because real UK GDP in 2019 was up 50% since 1997, according to the St Louis Fed.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CLVMNACSCAB1GQUK

    But real median UK male wages have fallen over the last 22 years, while real UK house prices have nearly tripled. All that GDP gain has accrued to the top few percent, while Mr Average is actually poorer.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @PiltdownMan

    Your roads are in bad repair because of looters and wreckers!

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @PiltdownMan

    Your roads are in bad repair because of looters and wreckers!

  28. The Biden family is corrupt would play better if the opponent was not President Trump with his own corrupt family. There is an estimate that the Trump clan siphoned off 350 million from the campaign donations to line their own pockets.

  29. @PhysicistDave
    The Left's plan is to rig Pennsylvania: they recently got a ruling out of the PA, heavily Democratic, state Supreme Court holding that the signatures on mail-in ballots do not have to match at all the signatures on file.

    It now appears that there is a good chance that Trump will take all of the states he took in 2016 with the possible exceptions of PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan. PA looks like his best shot among the three.

    So, the Left has to steal PA.

    The GOP seems to have no plan to fight the signature-fraud issue. The GOP is fighting on the issue of allowing mail-in ballots that arrive after election day, hoping that ACB on the US Supreme Court will win this issue for the GOP.

    A mistake, I think -- signature fraud should be enough for the Dems to steal the election.

    Which raises the question of what decent Americans must do in the event of brazen stealing of the election by the Left.

    The Dems are going to flood the streets with their thugs. I think normal Americans need to have the courage to show up physically at rallies in support of the rule of law.

    How many have the courage to do so? Our ancestors had such courage -- my grandfather was in the Pacific theater in WWII, my uncle on the other side of the family was a naval aviator. My great grandmother lost her younger brother in WW I. That's far more courage than required to show up for a peaceful rally to defend an honest election.

    Do many normal Americans today still have even that minimal level of courage?

    "These are the time that try men's souls..."

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @The Alarmist, @reactionry, @AndrewR, @The Wild Geese Howard, @eD, @Realist, @MBlanc46, @reiner Tor, @dvorak

    Do many normal Americans today still have even that minimal level of courage?

    No.

    Normie just wants to grill, chill, and watch endless joggerball while Soros’ forces place the pillow over fair Columbia’s visage.

    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Howard why do you expats continue to run your mouths about this country and the people who still live here?

    WTF is up with that?

    If we want to talk COWARDICE, perhaps we should talk about "men" who left the nation of their birth years ago?

    Yeah, we need your advice in these matters about as much as we need cancer or bleeding hemorrhoids.

    Thanks all the same.

  30. @figg
    By the way, where is Hunter Biden, has anyone seen a comment from him lately? Is he in the U. S., alive? I would like a member of the press to verify whether the map of the Finger Lakes on his back is a tattoo, or a Sharpie doodle.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    The latest rumor is that he is dead.

    Seriously:
    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/10/rumors.html

  31. @Simple Pseudonymic Handlerf
    Putin didn't say they were innocent. He said he wasn't aware of any crime.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Bardon Kaldian, @Aardvark, @George

  32. • Replies: @glib
    @Polistra

    The real question is, did he mean Bush 41 or Bush 43.

  33. @PiltdownMan
    I think most Russians don't care too much about corruption under Putin. From their point of view, corruption is better than it was under Yeltsin, when it was a free for all by the oligarchs. Now, the only oligarchs allowed to operate are Putin's oligarchs, with his permission. To them, that's an improvement.

    Putin almost certainly has the best combination of relative competence in governance and relative absence of repression that they've ever experienced in a leader.

    That that balance or equilibrium may be beyond the bounds of what is acceptable in Western Europe or America is a moot point to most of them.

    The chart below is essential to understanding why Russians think Putin pulled them back from the brink.(note that the y-axis begins at $12,000.) It also helps that he comes across as being competent and in charge of things to the public, especially during his annual Q&A sessions.

    https://i.imgur.com/1Ih5hOb.jpg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iYmnDDvPdo

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @YetAnotherAnon, @Inquiring Mind, @Inquiring Mind

    Exceptional! insight.

    Putin almost certainly has the best combination of relative competence in governance and relative absence of repression that they’ve ever experienced in a leader.

    And how does he compare to those you’ve ever experienced?

  34. @PiltdownMan
    I think most Russians don't care too much about corruption under Putin. From their point of view, corruption is better than it was under Yeltsin, when it was a free for all by the oligarchs. Now, the only oligarchs allowed to operate are Putin's oligarchs, with his permission. To them, that's an improvement.

    Putin almost certainly has the best combination of relative competence in governance and relative absence of repression that they've ever experienced in a leader.

    That that balance or equilibrium may be beyond the bounds of what is acceptable in Western Europe or America is a moot point to most of them.

    The chart below is essential to understanding why Russians think Putin pulled them back from the brink.(note that the y-axis begins at $12,000.) It also helps that he comes across as being competent and in charge of things to the public, especially during his annual Q&A sessions.

    https://i.imgur.com/1Ih5hOb.jpg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iYmnDDvPdo

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @YetAnotherAnon, @Inquiring Mind, @Inquiring Mind

    What are Gini coefficients or median wages doing in Russia?

    I ask because real UK GDP in 2019 was up 50% since 1997, according to the St Louis Fed.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CLVMNACSCAB1GQUK

    But real median UK male wages have fallen over the last 22 years, while real UK house prices have nearly tripled. All that GDP gain has accrued to the top few percent, while Mr Average is actually poorer.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @YetAnotherAnon


    What are Gini coefficients or median wages doing in Russia?
     
    The Gini coefficient seems to have risen in Putin's first decade, after he took office in 1999, and then declined over the several years after the financial crisis of 2008/2009. I'm not able to find inflation adjusted figures for wages.

    Russia - GINI index (World Bank estimate)

    https://i.imgur.com/RrQVRoc.jpg

  35. Damn Putin and his castles! When it comes to Russia, even the most right-wing Americans become materialist-dialectic. (This suggests the right wing was the materialists all the time, whereas the workers are merely catching up. But that is a different discussion.)

    Putin does not need material riches, since he can have whatever he wants, at least in his country. Why own a castle, when you can live for a few days in anybody’s castle, which is just as much as you would if it were yours? French presidents, British PMs, and German chancellors do not busk during their summer holidays either.

    Knowing US ability to retcon and memoryhole, I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that Stalin was demonized as a plutocrat too, despite having left almost nothing to his estate. Driving a wedge between the people and the leaders is a cornerstone of Western propaganda.

    It’s even more ironic when you consider the actual yuge wealth discrepancy between US masses and their “elected” leaders. It’s just a few months since you were all worked up about Obama’s new home, but of course, his must be a paragon of elegance because Murica! Next, tell us Putin orders assassinations using the “disposition matrix”.

    It must be really annoying to hope you will once be the uncontested leader of the planet, and yet to recall, again and again, that the Soviets have pointed, for half a century, thousands of warheads to your home. You can’t do everything you want, but have you considered that at least Russians don’t summon you to fight random Arabs?

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
    @Dacian Julien Soros

    IIRC, we were told that the spark that set off the Romanian revolution was a TV doco that quite accidentally revealed the cheap and tacky dacha that the Ceausescus lived in. People were outraged that not only were they being forced to live in artificial squalor, but the people at the top weren't even putting on an impressive show, a la Versailles, I suppose.

    But of course that may have been exactly the sort of CIA bullshit we've gotten used to hearing.

    Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros

  36. @PiltdownMan
    I think most Russians don't care too much about corruption under Putin. From their point of view, corruption is better than it was under Yeltsin, when it was a free for all by the oligarchs. Now, the only oligarchs allowed to operate are Putin's oligarchs, with his permission. To them, that's an improvement.

    Putin almost certainly has the best combination of relative competence in governance and relative absence of repression that they've ever experienced in a leader.

    That that balance or equilibrium may be beyond the bounds of what is acceptable in Western Europe or America is a moot point to most of them.

    The chart below is essential to understanding why Russians think Putin pulled them back from the brink.(note that the y-axis begins at $12,000.) It also helps that he comes across as being competent and in charge of things to the public, especially during his annual Q&A sessions.

    https://i.imgur.com/1Ih5hOb.jpg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iYmnDDvPdo

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @YetAnotherAnon, @Inquiring Mind, @Inquiring Mind

    Your roads are in bad repair because of looters and wreckers!

  37. @PiltdownMan
    I think most Russians don't care too much about corruption under Putin. From their point of view, corruption is better than it was under Yeltsin, when it was a free for all by the oligarchs. Now, the only oligarchs allowed to operate are Putin's oligarchs, with his permission. To them, that's an improvement.

    Putin almost certainly has the best combination of relative competence in governance and relative absence of repression that they've ever experienced in a leader.

    That that balance or equilibrium may be beyond the bounds of what is acceptable in Western Europe or America is a moot point to most of them.

    The chart below is essential to understanding why Russians think Putin pulled them back from the brink.(note that the y-axis begins at $12,000.) It also helps that he comes across as being competent and in charge of things to the public, especially during his annual Q&A sessions.

    https://i.imgur.com/1Ih5hOb.jpg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iYmnDDvPdo

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @YetAnotherAnon, @Inquiring Mind, @Inquiring Mind

    Your roads are in bad repair because of looters and wreckers!

  38. @Simple Pseudonymic Handlerf
    Putin didn't say they were innocent. He said he wasn't aware of any crime.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Bardon Kaldian, @Aardvark, @George

    Wouldn’t politicians in any country see it as their universal right to use their influence to make money in this order:

    1. For themselves, but if this is not permitted or would cause too much trouble in the country of authority then…
    2. For their relatives, unless problematic as in #1 then…
    3. Friends, unless problematic as in #1 then…
    4. A company that may promise other things in return such as campaign contributions, favorable publicity, an agreement for a job or board position once they are out of office, company might hire relatives.

    I pretty sure that there are way more “leaders” than Putin who do not see anything wrong with what he did as they would surely do the same thing themselves if they could.

    This is where not nearly enough people truly recognize who corrupt politics is period… because of partisanship they are always willing to overlook the transgressions of a politician affiliated with their favored political party.

  39. It is now the official position of both parties that conducting any business in Russia, or even with anyone who has a Russian name, is deplorable per se (if the other guy is doing it.) Do you really expect Putin to agree with this?

  40. @PhysicistDave
    The Left's plan is to rig Pennsylvania: they recently got a ruling out of the PA, heavily Democratic, state Supreme Court holding that the signatures on mail-in ballots do not have to match at all the signatures on file.

    It now appears that there is a good chance that Trump will take all of the states he took in 2016 with the possible exceptions of PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan. PA looks like his best shot among the three.

    So, the Left has to steal PA.

    The GOP seems to have no plan to fight the signature-fraud issue. The GOP is fighting on the issue of allowing mail-in ballots that arrive after election day, hoping that ACB on the US Supreme Court will win this issue for the GOP.

    A mistake, I think -- signature fraud should be enough for the Dems to steal the election.

    Which raises the question of what decent Americans must do in the event of brazen stealing of the election by the Left.

    The Dems are going to flood the streets with their thugs. I think normal Americans need to have the courage to show up physically at rallies in support of the rule of law.

    How many have the courage to do so? Our ancestors had such courage -- my grandfather was in the Pacific theater in WWII, my uncle on the other side of the family was a naval aviator. My great grandmother lost her younger brother in WW I. That's far more courage than required to show up for a peaceful rally to defend an honest election.

    Do many normal Americans today still have even that minimal level of courage?

    "These are the time that try men's souls..."

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @The Alarmist, @reactionry, @AndrewR, @The Wild Geese Howard, @eD, @Realist, @MBlanc46, @reiner Tor, @dvorak

    “The Left’s plan is to rig Pennsylvania: they recently got a ruling out of the PA, heavily Democratic, state Supreme Court holding that the signatures on mail-in ballots do not have to match at all the signatures on file.”

    Yeah, I live in the state and I am starting to suspect that I have already voted for Biden, probably several times.

    However, as other commentators have pointed out, there is a good chance much of the GOP, and yes that includes Trump himself, is in on this. We will find out in November. State parties have tools to stop these things, if they really want to use them, especially in states where they have majorities in the state legislature. And I don’t see anything in tradcon Barrett’s record that would keep her from being part of the “surprising” 5-4 Supreme Court majority (Roberts, Barrett, and the three Democratic appointed justices) upholding this. If Trump wanted to stop election fraud he should have appointed the alternative judicial candidate from Florida.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @eD


    State parties have tools to stop these things, if they really want to use them, especially in states where they have majorities in the state legislature.
     
    I understand this, but I can't get excited about it because of the utterly spineless response from Republican-controlled legislatures to Democratic governors after it became obvious WuFlu is not an extinction level event.
    , @J.Ross
    @eD

    GOP is finally going to actually do something about vote fraud
    They better, and they should expect defeat if not. Biden has no organic support whatsoever and Trump hate is not enough to swing an election: it is obvious that the Democrats plan to rely on cheating.

  41. By the way, how much has Putin stolen? A billion, ten billion, or a hundred billion?

    The giant “Putin’s Palace” near Sochi is disappointingly tasteful, done up in an 18th Century Enlightened Autocrat style ideal for inviting Voltaire for an extended stay.

    Evidence, please.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  42. @LondonBob
    Important to note in absolutely no way would a Russian politician or businessman be allowed to sell out the national interest for their own personal gain.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @anonymous

    Yeltsin?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Almost Missouri

    Yes, that was what was happening in the 90s, that is what the Clintonites have restarted in Ukraine, but see Piltdown's excellent comment above. Under Putin there is little class mobility, but there stability and certain guarantees, and the restrictions on getting rich include sensible nationalist protections.

  43. @eD
    @PhysicistDave

    "The Left’s plan is to rig Pennsylvania: they recently got a ruling out of the PA, heavily Democratic, state Supreme Court holding that the signatures on mail-in ballots do not have to match at all the signatures on file."

    Yeah, I live in the state and I am starting to suspect that I have already voted for Biden, probably several times.

    However, as other commentators have pointed out, there is a good chance much of the GOP, and yes that includes Trump himself, is in on this. We will find out in November. State parties have tools to stop these things, if they really want to use them, especially in states where they have majorities in the state legislature. And I don't see anything in tradcon Barrett's record that would keep her from being part of the "surprising" 5-4 Supreme Court majority (Roberts, Barrett, and the three Democratic appointed justices) upholding this. If Trump wanted to stop election fraud he should have appointed the alternative judicial candidate from Florida.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @J.Ross

    State parties have tools to stop these things, if they really want to use them, especially in states where they have majorities in the state legislature.

    I understand this, but I can’t get excited about it because of the utterly spineless response from Republican-controlled legislatures to Democratic governors after it became obvious WuFlu is not an extinction level event.

  44. My personal theory is that Russia was trying to throw sand in the gears of American politics and government, They did not want Trump to be President per se. They wanted to know they could spend maybe ten million dollars and come very close to totally delegitimizing the President.

    If I were Putin, I might support the Biden campaign, and try to keep Trump supporters from voting through social media, and whatever else the RUSSIANS DID TO HACK THE ELECTION, as our Democrat brothers and sisters

    I mean, sure media think Biden has a lock, but if Russia manages to get, say 30,000 rust belt Trumpeters to sit this one out. Maybe they make Facebook groups called things like Restore American Industry them fill the group with posts contrasting Candidate Tump and the promises and premises that got them to vote in 2016 with the reality that President Trump did not follow through on bringing manufacturing back, excepting his half-assed trade war with China. Things like that, targeted to his less than zero effect on immigration and the wall.

    This comment moves off Russia stuff, so I’m doing a ‘MORE’ tag. This is how it’s done, yo.

    [MORE]

    Basically, if Russians on Facebook and Twitter just focus on the issues that Trump dropped when Brannon left. The big-data researcher who got fired from his think tank(?) for tweeting that ‘60’s-era protests were effective, but violent riots were counterproductive? I read an interview he did. He said that people who work on campaigns (and administrations) have different policy goals than the voters. He said he used big data to tell them things like, ‘focus on popular issues, not unpopular ones.’ Hey, I found the interview, it was David Shor, and at New York magazine he said:

    You know, we’d do all this math, and some of it’s pretty cool, but at a high level, what we’re saying is: “You should put your money in cheap media markets in close states close to the election, and you should talk about popular issues, and not talk about unpopular issues.” And we’d use machine learning to operationalize that at scale.

    The right strategies for politics aren’t actually unclear. But a lot of people on the Clinton campaign tricked themselves into the idea that they didn’t have to placate the social views of racist white people.

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/07/david-shor-cancel-culture-2020-election-theory-polls.html

    The fact that the Democrats think Trump voters are motivated by ignorant racism shows how out of touch they are with working class whites.

    Hey, I found an upbeat article about the flyover states “The Heartland’s Revival’
    https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2020/08/the-heartlands-revival/

    Steve tells us that there are a lot of very smart working/lower middle class white boys that colleges don’t want, so they likely stay in the reegion they grew up in, so flyover country is not totally brain-drained by the megalopolises. What areas/ethnicities of working and lower middle classes have been the most brain-drained by the quasi-meritocracy?

    I think the founding stock on the East Coast, especially in the Northeast and Mid+Atlantic states was probably sorted into IQ/personality classes. A couple generations of pulling everyone with a 1200 SAT out will leave a less intelligent class behind. America will likely not be made great again by the meritocracies slag. Things will only turn around when the hollowed out economy and society starts to hit the professional-managerial class hard.

    Wow

    • Agree: Abe
  45. @PhysicistDave
    The Left's plan is to rig Pennsylvania: they recently got a ruling out of the PA, heavily Democratic, state Supreme Court holding that the signatures on mail-in ballots do not have to match at all the signatures on file.

    It now appears that there is a good chance that Trump will take all of the states he took in 2016 with the possible exceptions of PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan. PA looks like his best shot among the three.

    So, the Left has to steal PA.

    The GOP seems to have no plan to fight the signature-fraud issue. The GOP is fighting on the issue of allowing mail-in ballots that arrive after election day, hoping that ACB on the US Supreme Court will win this issue for the GOP.

    A mistake, I think -- signature fraud should be enough for the Dems to steal the election.

    Which raises the question of what decent Americans must do in the event of brazen stealing of the election by the Left.

    The Dems are going to flood the streets with their thugs. I think normal Americans need to have the courage to show up physically at rallies in support of the rule of law.

    How many have the courage to do so? Our ancestors had such courage -- my grandfather was in the Pacific theater in WWII, my uncle on the other side of the family was a naval aviator. My great grandmother lost her younger brother in WW I. That's far more courage than required to show up for a peaceful rally to defend an honest election.

    Do many normal Americans today still have even that minimal level of courage?

    "These are the time that try men's souls..."

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @The Alarmist, @reactionry, @AndrewR, @The Wild Geese Howard, @eD, @Realist, @MBlanc46, @reiner Tor, @dvorak

    Do many normal Americans today still have even that minimal level of courage?

    No…not for decades.

  46. @Chrisnonymous
    @PhysicistDave

    I agree 100% with you about PA. A lot of leftist money has gone into that state, and as you point out the state has arranged the rules to make it possible for the party to "Daley-fy" the election by waiting for the preliminary vote to come in so they know how many ballots to mail in afterwards.

    The problem right now (other than the fraud, of course) is twofold:
    (1) The Republicans are not speaking loudly and articulately enough about what's going on, so that people know ahead of time and it doesn't look like ex post sour grapes.
    (2) The protests will not be peaceful because the left/Antifa will accuse whoever shows up of violence and start brawling. This has been their pattern since the Proud Boys scuffle immediately after the 2016 election. But you are talking about the necessity for comfortable, soft middle-aged people to get off their couches to risk getting beat on the head or having caustic substances thrown on them or worse. People are not ready for that yet. My boomer father is a Trump voter but he's still not sure if Biden is corrupt or not.

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar

    My boomer father is a Trump voter but he’s still not sure if Biden is corrupt or not.

  47. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    This is Reuters spin on claiming Biden is innocent. Putin is just distancing himself from the issue, saying it’s between the Americans and Ukrainians, he has no interest. Reuters twists this as if to say Putin has looked into it and declares Biden to have done nothing wrong. Then they shoehorn the ‘Russia interfered in our election’ line into the article just to keep the story in front of the public at every turn. It’s a propaganda gimmick.
    Russian leaders have use of state facilities but don’t own them. Generally they are not in it for the money. When Stalin died he left practically nothing of value behind. In contrast people like the Clintons and Obamas have become multi-millionaires whilst in or after government ‘service’.

  48. @Dieter Kief
    @Mikael_

    So - there is a difference there - just not for Reuter's. A "shill job" in the grey zone where you could always argue that such small differences don't matter at all. That Reuter's had just been clarifying what Putin said...

    Replies: @Mikael_

    You didn’t get it, or are you deliberately glossing it over?

    Reuters claimed a disagreement where there is no factual one.
    Their whole article is a laughable attempt to exaggerate difference in used words, or even just visible irritation (about what exactly? why no video link?) into some foundational differences.

    One more time very slowly:
    Putin said “saw nothing criminal”, while Trump never stated Biden’s action were clearly illegal.
    Trump said “Biden and his son Hunter engaged in unethical practices”, while Putin never disputed that or just declared said practices to be acceptable.
    Now where’s the disagreement exactly?

  49. Is Putin’s endorsement helping whichever candidate he chooses to endorse?

    By the way Putin is usually pretty candid in these interviews, he just says what he thinks. For example he said about the NSA activities that Russia would do the same if it had the resources America has, as the temptation would be too large to resist for any government.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @reiner Tor


    For example he said about the NSA activities that Russia would do the same if it had the resources America has, as the temptation would be too large to resist for any government.
     
    Per my earlier (now #14) comment, I would like to read a transcript or watch this. Can you please provide a citation?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

  50. @eD
    @PhysicistDave

    "The Left’s plan is to rig Pennsylvania: they recently got a ruling out of the PA, heavily Democratic, state Supreme Court holding that the signatures on mail-in ballots do not have to match at all the signatures on file."

    Yeah, I live in the state and I am starting to suspect that I have already voted for Biden, probably several times.

    However, as other commentators have pointed out, there is a good chance much of the GOP, and yes that includes Trump himself, is in on this. We will find out in November. State parties have tools to stop these things, if they really want to use them, especially in states where they have majorities in the state legislature. And I don't see anything in tradcon Barrett's record that would keep her from being part of the "surprising" 5-4 Supreme Court majority (Roberts, Barrett, and the three Democratic appointed justices) upholding this. If Trump wanted to stop election fraud he should have appointed the alternative judicial candidate from Florida.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @J.Ross

    GOP is finally going to actually do something about vote fraud
    They better, and they should expect defeat if not. Biden has no organic support whatsoever and Trump hate is not enough to swing an election: it is obvious that the Democrats plan to rely on cheating.

  51. @Almost Missouri
    @LondonBob

    Yeltsin?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Yes, that was what was happening in the 90s, that is what the Clintonites have restarted in Ukraine, but see Piltdown’s excellent comment above. Under Putin there is little class mobility, but there stability and certain guarantees, and the restrictions on getting rich include sensible nationalist protections.

  52. @Redneck farmer
    @J.Ross

    The government agency that says Russia is helping Trump also says China is helping Biden. The China part never gets mentioned in the MSM, though.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    It’s not a government agency, it’s a lie from an unnecessary meta-agency slapped together vaguely to be able to maintain frame and endorsed by our crooked Senate, and I really don’t see what any of that has to do with the other thing. The Russia hoax was always nonsense and Biden’s ties to China et al are well demonstrated by documents and witnesses (that is, real things which exist in the world separate fron any agency), and are not in doubt. You seem to imply that if the church doesn’t bless my food that I earned and cooked myself, then I won’t have any food any more. Insofar as government agencies play any role here it is in enabling criminals to break the law.
    But maybe I’m just being — nope, Chris Wray is still drawing breath from the Hoover closet.

  53. @reiner Tor
    Is Putin’s endorsement helping whichever candidate he chooses to endorse?

    By the way Putin is usually pretty candid in these interviews, he just says what he thinks. For example he said about the NSA activities that Russia would do the same if it had the resources America has, as the temptation would be too large to resist for any government.

    Replies: @Greta Handel

    For example he said about the NSA activities that Russia would do the same if it had the resources America has, as the temptation would be too large to resist for any government.

    Per my earlier (now #14) comment, I would like to read a transcript or watch this. Can you please provide a citation?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Greta Handel

    It appears that Putin made the remarks during his 4 hour long annual press conference in December 2013, but there are video clips of him saying much the same thing on other occasions, too.


    Putin defends, even envies, NSA surveillance

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/putin-defends-even-envies-nsa-surveillance
     

    Replies: @Greta Handel

  54. Corrupt behavior is so deeply embedded in Russian culture that it is very difficult to get a typical Russian to understand why bribery, embezzlement and extortion are wrong or harmful to society. There is an assumption that if you are entrusted with money, you take some for yourself. If you want something, you pay extra for it. It you have power, you use the power to take money from other people. Most Russians see nothing wrong with these things at all.

    • Agree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Uncle Jack
    @ATBOTL

    Just out of curiosity, ATBOTL, have you ever been to Russia?
    Do you know any Russians? Where do you get the authority
    to speak about what most of them think?

  55. @Chrisnonymous
    @PhysicistDave

    I agree 100% with you about PA. A lot of leftist money has gone into that state, and as you point out the state has arranged the rules to make it possible for the party to "Daley-fy" the election by waiting for the preliminary vote to come in so they know how many ballots to mail in afterwards.

    The problem right now (other than the fraud, of course) is twofold:
    (1) The Republicans are not speaking loudly and articulately enough about what's going on, so that people know ahead of time and it doesn't look like ex post sour grapes.
    (2) The protests will not be peaceful because the left/Antifa will accuse whoever shows up of violence and start brawling. This has been their pattern since the Proud Boys scuffle immediately after the 2016 election. But you are talking about the necessity for comfortable, soft middle-aged people to get off their couches to risk getting beat on the head or having caustic substances thrown on them or worse. People are not ready for that yet. My boomer father is a Trump voter but he's still not sure if Biden is corrupt or not.

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar

    I agree 100% with you about PA. A lot of leftist money has gone into that state, and as you point out the state has arranged the rules to make it possible for the party to “Daley-fy” the election by waiting for the preliminary vote to come in so they know how many ballots to mail in afterwards.

    They don’t make Pennsylvania Democrats like James Michener anymore, or even Bob Casey. Michener was a elector in 1968, and devised a plan in which he and the other electors would give their votes to Nixon (or persuade Republican electors to give theirs to Humphrey) should he receive the plurality, in the case of Wallace denying a majority to either candidate.

    It was basically Wallace-in-reverse, to keep the election out of the House, where Wallace would have leverage. Michener learned that another Penna. elector had come up with a similar plan. It was really radical centrism– radical in that though there have been a number of “faithless” electors over the years, none has ever gone all the way to the other side since William Plumer did in 1820.

    Michener was a true goo-goo. He started out as a Republican in his youth.

    Pennsylvania is the only state which stipulates that the candidate himself choose his electors. Humphrey delegated this chore to locals, according to Michener. Years later, Electoral College scholar Robert Alexander, who interviews electors for research, called a Pennsylvania elector only to hear a strong Southern accent. He turned out to be an Arkansan who’d grown up with Bill Clinton and was now based in the Keystone State.

  56. How are Putin’s comments not foreign interference in a US election? As was Mrs Mulroney’s, who opined that Walter Mondale should be elected.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Reg Cæsar

    It is good trolling.

  57. So are the Russians interfering on behalf of Trump or on behalf of Biden?

    Or is it only Putler who is out of step with the rest of Russia who are interfering on behalf of Trump.

    This is so confusing.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    I think I have figured it out.

    By pretending to support the Bidens, Putler is actually interfering in our election for Trump.

    Those Russians are very tricksy!

  58. Sign carried during a spontaneous pro-Trump march in … Beverly Hills:

    Biden’s Laptop Matters

  59. @Dacian Julien Soros
    Damn Putin and his castles! When it comes to Russia, even the most right-wing Americans become materialist-dialectic. (This suggests the right wing was the materialists all the time, whereas the workers are merely catching up. But that is a different discussion.)

    Putin does not need material riches, since he can have whatever he wants, at least in his country. Why own a castle, when you can live for a few days in anybody's castle, which is just as much as you would if it were yours? French presidents, British PMs, and German chancellors do not busk during their summer holidays either.

    Knowing US ability to retcon and memoryhole, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Stalin was demonized as a plutocrat too, despite having left almost nothing to his estate. Driving a wedge between the people and the leaders is a cornerstone of Western propaganda.

    It's even more ironic when you consider the actual yuge wealth discrepancy between US masses and their "elected" leaders. It's just a few months since you were all worked up about Obama's new home, but of course, his must be a paragon of elegance because Murica! Next, tell us Putin orders assassinations using the "disposition matrix".

    It must be really annoying to hope you will once be the uncontested leader of the planet, and yet to recall, again and again, that the Soviets have pointed, for half a century, thousands of warheads to your home. You can't do everything you want, but have you considered that at least Russians don't summon you to fight random Arabs?

    Replies: @James O'Meara

    IIRC, we were told that the spark that set off the Romanian revolution was a TV doco that quite accidentally revealed the cheap and tacky dacha that the Ceausescus lived in. People were outraged that not only were they being forced to live in artificial squalor, but the people at the top weren’t even putting on an impressive show, a la Versailles, I suppose.

    But of course that may have been exactly the sort of CIA bullshit we’ve gotten used to hearing.

    • Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros
    @James O'Meara

    The revolution was a gradient rather than a done deal. One week before the official date, rioters controlled the second largest city; almost one week after the official date, there were a few fat-cat make-belief commandos who were too afraid to show up to their former offices. of course, even Ceausescu survived 3 days after his overthrow.

    The report about Ceausescu's golden bathtub was on TV the second day after the official overthrow. I must have seen it a few tens of times as long as there was a risk of things going back the way they were. There were some obvious American agents and some obviously Soviet agents in the new government, so I am not entirely sure who to blame.

    But, but. About 3 hours after Ceausescu's departure, Free Europe was describing "untold riches". I don't know how things went on other days, but I could listen to the recordings from Day Zero and the "untold riches" were definitely there.

    Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros

  60. “The giant “Putin’s Palace” near Sochi is disappointingly tasteful, done up in an 18th Century Enlightened Autocrat style ideal for inviting Voltaire for an extended stay.”

    Another example of how things were better then for everyone. Who invented this democracy racket anyway?

    The USA started off great because of the inherited style, which was superimposed on democratic squalor. The squalor has now largely emerged and overtaken. Compare Jefferson’s lifestyle with Trump.

  61. @Reg Cæsar
    How are Putin's comments not foreign interference in a US election? As was Mrs Mulroney's, who opined that Walter Mondale should be elected.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    It is good trolling.

  62. Three paragraphs in, Reuters’ Andrew Osborn makes three statements of fact.

    1. Trump, who is trailing in opinion polls, has used the debates to make accusations that Biden and his son Hunter engaged in unethical practices in Ukraine.

    OK.

    3. Joe Biden has called them [the allegations] false and discredited.

    OK.

    2. No evidence has been verified to support the allegations

    Well, there is the former partner who stepped forward to confirm the authenticity of laptop emails he received, and a disgraced associate’s corroboration of dealings with Chinese —

    Oh. In the passive tense, No evidence has been verified. By the Evidence Verification Bureau. Which takes time!

    OK then!

  63. @Polistra
    Biden at virtual rally last night: 'We need to stop four more years of George'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8878991/Joe-Biden-appears-confuse-Trump-Bush-calls-president-George-virtual-rally.html

    Replies: @glib

    The real question is, did he mean Bush 41 or Bush 43.

  64. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @PhysicistDave


    Do many normal Americans today still have even that minimal level of courage?
     
    No.

    Normie just wants to grill, chill, and watch endless joggerball while Soros' forces place the pillow over fair Columbia's visage.

    Replies: @GeneralRipper

    Howard why do you expats continue to run your mouths about this country and the people who still live here?

    WTF is up with that?

    If we want to talk COWARDICE, perhaps we should talk about “men” who left the nation of their birth years ago?

    Yeah, we need your advice in these matters about as much as we need cancer or bleeding hemorrhoids.

    Thanks all the same.

  65. @Simple Pseudonymic Handlerf
    Putin didn't say they were innocent. He said he wasn't aware of any crime.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Bardon Kaldian, @Aardvark, @George

    Putin is correct, there was no violation of a law. I believe the cliche is you pay for access, and nothing more.

  66. @AndrewR
    Wtf Putin is shilling for Joe now. I'm shook.

    Replies: @Black-hole creator

    Just another fine example of realpolitik, without the weird posturing that you can see in the West. Everybody knows that the dice is loaded, does not mean Putin should become hysterical about it. That dude knows how to save his face.

  67. @ATBOTL
    Corrupt behavior is so deeply embedded in Russian culture that it is very difficult to get a typical Russian to understand why bribery, embezzlement and extortion are wrong or harmful to society. There is an assumption that if you are entrusted with money, you take some for yourself. If you want something, you pay extra for it. It you have power, you use the power to take money from other people. Most Russians see nothing wrong with these things at all.

    Replies: @Uncle Jack

    Just out of curiosity, ATBOTL, have you ever been to Russia?
    Do you know any Russians? Where do you get the authority
    to speak about what most of them think?

    • Thanks: Muggles
    • Troll: Inquiring Mind
  68. “By the way, how much has Putin stolen? A billion, ten billion, or a hundred billion?”

    LOL, did you ever care before, Mr. Sailer? Only when he disrupted your narrative, you sprung into action.

    “Putin: Bidens Are Not Corrupt (By Putin’s Standards)”

    So, in Sailer’s world, we are to believe Putin when he says Russia didn’t interfere with the U.S. election in 2016, and we are to believe that Trump is not a crook, or as crooked as others, but we shouldn’t believe Putin when he says there is no evidence has been verified to support the Biden allegations.

    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
    @Corvinus


    “Putin: Bidens Are Not Corrupt (By Putin’s Standards)”
     
    Which are obviously standards you're fine with...lol

    So, in Sailer’s world, we are to believe Putin when he says Russia didn’t interfere with the U.S. election in 2016
     
    Hillary and the DNC fucked over Bernie the Commie.

    That was exposed.

    And it was hilarious.
  69. @Corvinus
    "By the way, how much has Putin stolen? A billion, ten billion, or a hundred billion?"

    LOL, did you ever care before, Mr. Sailer? Only when he disrupted your narrative, you sprung into action.

    "Putin: Bidens Are Not Corrupt (By Putin's Standards)"

    So, in Sailer's world, we are to believe Putin when he says Russia didn't interfere with the U.S. election in 2016, and we are to believe that Trump is not a crook, or as crooked as others, but we shouldn't believe Putin when he says there is no evidence has been verified to support the Biden allegations.

    Replies: @GeneralRipper

    “Putin: Bidens Are Not Corrupt (By Putin’s Standards)”

    Which are obviously standards you’re fine with…lol

    So, in Sailer’s world, we are to believe Putin when he says Russia didn’t interfere with the U.S. election in 2016

    Hillary and the DNC fucked over Bernie the Commie.

    That was exposed.

    And it was hilarious.

  70. anon[371] • Disclaimer says:

    Remember, Putin’s smarter than you – he rose to the top of an actual meritocracy – and he’s very well briefed. He speaks with the public, extemporaneously for hours on end, about policy minutiae.

    Putin saw nothing criminal, so he says. He knows, as you do not, that in accordance with its commitments in the Convention Against Corruption and the Convention Against Transnational Organized Crime the US should criminalize trading in influence and abuse of function, the core profit centers of the Biden family business. He knows that the US government has not criminalized trading in influence or abuse of function. So in the backward 3rd-world US shithole, Biden’s racket is a perk of office, not a crime. Like assigning your nephew to read the wellhead gauges, if you’re King of the House of Saud, or skimming IMF loans if you’re an African president for life.

    So why exult at the USG’s disgrace? Glance in silence at the corpus delicti swinging slowly, slowly in the wind.

  71. @YetAnotherAnon
    @PiltdownMan

    What are Gini coefficients or median wages doing in Russia?

    I ask because real UK GDP in 2019 was up 50% since 1997, according to the St Louis Fed.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CLVMNACSCAB1GQUK

    But real median UK male wages have fallen over the last 22 years, while real UK house prices have nearly tripled. All that GDP gain has accrued to the top few percent, while Mr Average is actually poorer.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    What are Gini coefficients or median wages doing in Russia?

    The Gini coefficient seems to have risen in Putin’s first decade, after he took office in 1999, and then declined over the several years after the financial crisis of 2008/2009. I’m not able to find inflation adjusted figures for wages.

    Russia – GINI index (World Bank estimate)

  72. @Supply and Demand
    As expected, even Russia is aware of this Falun Gong disinfo campaign. Only Unz commenters would be stupid enough to actually believe it's Hunter Biden in those videos.

    Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter

    I have to admit that I was skeptical that it was Hunter Biden when I heard about the 9.5″ penis.

    That is more in the territory of George Floyd.

  73. Better to have a real leader who pays himself what he’s worth than a bunch of incompetents who can be bought for peanuts.

  74. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @LondonBob
    Important to note in absolutely no way would a Russian politician or businessman be allowed to sell out the national interest for their own personal gain.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @anonymous

    Don’t you just love all these commenters who pontificate at length about how Russians are inherently corrupt, the country is just a wasteland that sells gas, etc etc, but who have never been there and barely even know basic facts about the subject? All these dummies fancy themselves to be experts based on reading the local newspaper and don’t hesitate to make a host of sweeping statements.

  75. @PhysicistDave
    The Left's plan is to rig Pennsylvania: they recently got a ruling out of the PA, heavily Democratic, state Supreme Court holding that the signatures on mail-in ballots do not have to match at all the signatures on file.

    It now appears that there is a good chance that Trump will take all of the states he took in 2016 with the possible exceptions of PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan. PA looks like his best shot among the three.

    So, the Left has to steal PA.

    The GOP seems to have no plan to fight the signature-fraud issue. The GOP is fighting on the issue of allowing mail-in ballots that arrive after election day, hoping that ACB on the US Supreme Court will win this issue for the GOP.

    A mistake, I think -- signature fraud should be enough for the Dems to steal the election.

    Which raises the question of what decent Americans must do in the event of brazen stealing of the election by the Left.

    The Dems are going to flood the streets with their thugs. I think normal Americans need to have the courage to show up physically at rallies in support of the rule of law.

    How many have the courage to do so? Our ancestors had such courage -- my grandfather was in the Pacific theater in WWII, my uncle on the other side of the family was a naval aviator. My great grandmother lost her younger brother in WW I. That's far more courage than required to show up for a peaceful rally to defend an honest election.

    Do many normal Americans today still have even that minimal level of courage?

    "These are the time that try men's souls..."

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @The Alarmist, @reactionry, @AndrewR, @The Wild Geese Howard, @eD, @Realist, @MBlanc46, @reiner Tor, @dvorak

    A call to arms….

  76. @James O'Meara
    @Dacian Julien Soros

    IIRC, we were told that the spark that set off the Romanian revolution was a TV doco that quite accidentally revealed the cheap and tacky dacha that the Ceausescus lived in. People were outraged that not only were they being forced to live in artificial squalor, but the people at the top weren't even putting on an impressive show, a la Versailles, I suppose.

    But of course that may have been exactly the sort of CIA bullshit we've gotten used to hearing.

    Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros

    The revolution was a gradient rather than a done deal. One week before the official date, rioters controlled the second largest city; almost one week after the official date, there were a few fat-cat make-belief commandos who were too afraid to show up to their former offices. of course, even Ceausescu survived 3 days after his overthrow.

    The report about Ceausescu’s golden bathtub was on TV the second day after the official overthrow. I must have seen it a few tens of times as long as there was a risk of things going back the way they were. There were some obvious American agents and some obviously Soviet agents in the new government, so I am not entirely sure who to blame.

    But, but. About 3 hours after Ceausescu’s departure, Free Europe was describing “untold riches”. I don’t know how things went on other days, but I could listen to the recordings from Day Zero and the “untold riches” were definitely there.

    • Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros
    @Dacian Julien Soros

    I forgot to mention that the "golden toilet" was just painted with some shiny yellow paint, in the way I image Trump's toilet, or a French or American casino.

  77. Only slightly off topic:

    The most important issue, post election regardless of who wins, is what can we (normal people) do about the absolute corruption of nearly all mainstream media in this country?

    I’d sooner believe (and often do) Russia Today or RT than any American print outlet (perhaps excepting the often shaky Wall St. Journal) or now the once mostly fair AP.

    Yes, there are some far right or libertarian websites, even a few legacy somewhat left journalists like Glenn Greenwald and most of the Intercept crew. Maybe someone can name other outlets.

    But the main Internet “news” websites seem to gin out the same biased garbage as the print/electronic broadcast media. It isn’t just merely slanted, but obviously censored without apology other than mumbled utterances about “verification” when the news fails to fit the Woke Narrative. Like old Soviet (and now CCP) news outlets, what isn’t reported is far more important than what they do report.

    So the issue remains: who can we trust to be halfway objective? Where are the supposed rightwing/libertarian zillionaires we used to believe existed? Sure news reporting is a tough market, but if it is so tough, why do neo communists and their camp followers continue to exist at all?

    The public seems indifferent, largely, to the obvious bias. I give Mr. Unz here credit for being a shining exception. Though the company on his website often leaves something to be desired. But even rabid haters can teach us something. If nothing else, that they are usually lazy and often untruthful.

    But post-election, who can we trust? Limbaugh is dying (and was a stupid neocon war lover for much of his career) and Alex Jones is just too far gone. Drudge? Sold out of course.

    Like the old Jefferson Airplane lyrics, “when the Truth is found, to be Lies, you just need somebody to Love.”

    Yes, we do.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Muggles


    Like the old Jefferson Airplane lyrics, “when the Truth is found, to be Lies, you just need somebody to Love.”

    Yes, we do.
     
    A small, but perhaps telling, difference between the current woke cultural revolution and the counterculture of fifty years ago is the notable absence today of the words "peace" and "love" from the left's lexicon.
    , @Desiderius
    @Muggles

    Sailer

    Several Twitter accounts.

    Glenn Reynolds has always been a white hat.

    Same way the rest of us have for twenty years. It hasn’t been legit for a long time, if ever.

    , @Desiderius
    @Muggles

    Sailer

    Several Twitter accounts.

    Glenn Reynolds has always been a white hat.

    Same way the rest of us have for twenty years. It hasn’t been legit for a long time, if ever.

    , @Corvinus
    @Muggles

    "The most important issue, post election regardless of who wins, is what can we (normal people)...

    That would be the No True Scotsman Fallacy in action.

    "do about the absolute corruption of nearly all mainstream media in this country?"

    That would be Fake News on your part.

    "I’d sooner believe (and often do) Russia Today or RT than any American print outlet (perhaps excepting the often shaky Wall St. Journal) or now the once mostly fair AP."

    That is because you only seek information that conforms to your world view. You are a slave to confirmation bias. I do not even think you realize the irony here--you believe in independent thought, but so long as the thought holds only to your perspective.

    Yes, there are some far right or libertarian websites, even a few legacy somewhat left journalists like Glenn Greenwald and most of the Intercept crew. Maybe someone can name other outlets.

    "So the issue remains: who can we trust to be halfway objective?"

    You mean you can you trust with information that is subjective that fits into your "truth".

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @Currier House
    @Muggles

    LewRockwell.com.

    The "Blog" and "Political Theatre" sections are often excellent, in my judgment.

  78. @Muggles
    Only slightly off topic:

    The most important issue, post election regardless of who wins, is what can we (normal people) do about the absolute corruption of nearly all mainstream media in this country?

    I'd sooner believe (and often do) Russia Today or RT than any American print outlet (perhaps excepting the often shaky Wall St. Journal) or now the once mostly fair AP.

    Yes, there are some far right or libertarian websites, even a few legacy somewhat left journalists like Glenn Greenwald and most of the Intercept crew. Maybe someone can name other outlets.

    But the main Internet "news" websites seem to gin out the same biased garbage as the print/electronic broadcast media. It isn't just merely slanted, but obviously censored without apology other than mumbled utterances about "verification" when the news fails to fit the Woke Narrative. Like old Soviet (and now CCP) news outlets, what isn't reported is far more important than what they do report.

    So the issue remains: who can we trust to be halfway objective? Where are the supposed rightwing/libertarian zillionaires we used to believe existed? Sure news reporting is a tough market, but if it is so tough, why do neo communists and their camp followers continue to exist at all?

    The public seems indifferent, largely, to the obvious bias. I give Mr. Unz here credit for being a shining exception. Though the company on his website often leaves something to be desired. But even rabid haters can teach us something. If nothing else, that they are usually lazy and often untruthful.

    But post-election, who can we trust? Limbaugh is dying (and was a stupid neocon war lover for much of his career) and Alex Jones is just too far gone. Drudge? Sold out of course.

    Like the old Jefferson Airplane lyrics, "when the Truth is found, to be Lies, you just need somebody to Love."

    Yes, we do.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Desiderius, @Desiderius, @Corvinus, @Currier House

    Like the old Jefferson Airplane lyrics, “when the Truth is found, to be Lies, you just need somebody to Love.”

    Yes, we do.

    A small, but perhaps telling, difference between the current woke cultural revolution and the counterculture of fifty years ago is the notable absence today of the words “peace” and “love” from the left’s lexicon.

    • Thanks: Muggles
  79. @LondonBob
    I don't think Americans get the dry sense of humour they have in Russia.

    Replies: @Kibernetika

    I don’t think Americans get the dry sense of humour they have in Russia.

    Yes. In general, Western sophisticates these days are greatly disadvantaged in that regard. We’ve all got different rulebooks.

  80. @Anon
    Steve, did you see the Hunter Biden footjob tape?

    https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1320173531074682881

    Replies: @El Dato, @reactionry, @Anon, @Neoconned

    Isn’t this called the Barbara Streisand effect?

  81. “By the way, how much has Putin stolen? A billion, ten billion, or a hundred billion?”

    The difference is that Putin has ‘stolen’ while giving back the Russians their sovereignty, self-respect, and some hope.

    Contrast that with Yeltsin.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @M_Young

    Putin may have accepted gifts after the fact from a grateful Arkady Rotenberg or whoever. Actually stealing, no. Unnecessary.

  82. @J.Ross
    They still lie this lie about "Russian interference."

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Neoconned

    The thing i don’t get regarding that argument is that even if the Russians did – Trump still won most of the Midwest fair and square in a classic hare & tortoise storyline.

    Trump busted his tail in the months leading up to November of 2016 doing whirlwind rallies primarily in Wisconsin etc.

    Meanwhile while Hillary made her stupid deplorable comment and sat on her ass & didn’t do any campaigning much less in flyover country…..

    Trump won 2016 fair and square….

    And foreign interference? What about everybody from Saudi to Mexico to the UK to Japan to the Israelis to many many others using lobbyists and various 501 c 3 type dark money vehicles to bribe our politicians and mess with our elections? Has the media forgot about lobbyists taking cash and gifts for our politicians from foreign actors or countries?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Neoconned


    The thing i don’t get regarding that argument is that even if the Russians did – Trump still won most of the Midwest fair and square in a classic hare & tortoise storyline.

     

    The "dark" truth is that Americans are better off if Russians do interfere in our elections. What does that say about us? It's the Carter Center in reverse.

    (In defense of the Carter Center, they only come if invited.)
  83. Reuters headline is a complete BS. Putin never said that and never implied, his phrase was:”we are not aware of any wrongdoing”. But since Steve is one of the leading Russian language philologists, together with being Russian Study field lead in Anglo-Saxon world, what do I know. Especially coming from Reuters–a stellar bench-mark of truth and objectivity.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Your (generally valid) points would find their targets more dependably if they were not hindered by quite so much derision.

  84. @PhysicistDave
    The Left's plan is to rig Pennsylvania: they recently got a ruling out of the PA, heavily Democratic, state Supreme Court holding that the signatures on mail-in ballots do not have to match at all the signatures on file.

    It now appears that there is a good chance that Trump will take all of the states he took in 2016 with the possible exceptions of PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan. PA looks like his best shot among the three.

    So, the Left has to steal PA.

    The GOP seems to have no plan to fight the signature-fraud issue. The GOP is fighting on the issue of allowing mail-in ballots that arrive after election day, hoping that ACB on the US Supreme Court will win this issue for the GOP.

    A mistake, I think -- signature fraud should be enough for the Dems to steal the election.

    Which raises the question of what decent Americans must do in the event of brazen stealing of the election by the Left.

    The Dems are going to flood the streets with their thugs. I think normal Americans need to have the courage to show up physically at rallies in support of the rule of law.

    How many have the courage to do so? Our ancestors had such courage -- my grandfather was in the Pacific theater in WWII, my uncle on the other side of the family was a naval aviator. My great grandmother lost her younger brother in WW I. That's far more courage than required to show up for a peaceful rally to defend an honest election.

    Do many normal Americans today still have even that minimal level of courage?

    "These are the time that try men's souls..."

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @The Alarmist, @reactionry, @AndrewR, @The Wild Geese Howard, @eD, @Realist, @MBlanc46, @reiner Tor, @dvorak

    How many have the courage to do so? Our ancestors had such courage — my grandfather was in the Pacific theater in WWII, my uncle on the other side of the family was a naval aviator. My great grandmother lost her younger brother in WW I. That’s far more courage than required to show up for a peaceful rally to defend an honest election.

    Actually that’s a totally different kind of courage than the one needed to participate in a rally where your face could be televised.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @reiner Tor

    reiner Tor wrote: to me:


    Actually that’s a totally different kind of courage than the one needed to participate in a rally where your face could be televised.
     
    Indeed. Going off to war, running into a burning building to save a child -- physical courage.

    Being willing to be denounced and cancelled because you did the right thing -- moral courage.

    I've noticed that the vast majority of human beings demonstrate physical courage when it is truly needed.

    Moral courage is less common.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  85. @reiner Tor
    @PhysicistDave


    How many have the courage to do so? Our ancestors had such courage — my grandfather was in the Pacific theater in WWII, my uncle on the other side of the family was a naval aviator. My great grandmother lost her younger brother in WW I. That’s far more courage than required to show up for a peaceful rally to defend an honest election.
     
    Actually that’s a totally different kind of courage than the one needed to participate in a rally where your face could be televised.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    reiner Tor wrote: to me:

    Actually that’s a totally different kind of courage than the one needed to participate in a rally where your face could be televised.

    Indeed. Going off to war, running into a burning building to save a child — physical courage.

    Being willing to be denounced and cancelled because you did the right thing — moral courage.

    I’ve noticed that the vast majority of human beings demonstrate physical courage when it is truly needed.

    Moral courage is less common.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @PhysicistDave

    “Moral courage” actually means going against the moral values of society. “Lacking moral courage” means accepting moral standards of society, right or wrong. Please note that it’s a good thing in a normal society, because most people are dimwits to understand or think about whether certain moral standards are good or bad, and thus it’s better for them to just accept them. The problem is that society has been captured by the media (including social media) in what are evolutionarily novel circumstances.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  86. @PhysicistDave
    @reiner Tor

    reiner Tor wrote: to me:


    Actually that’s a totally different kind of courage than the one needed to participate in a rally where your face could be televised.
     
    Indeed. Going off to war, running into a burning building to save a child -- physical courage.

    Being willing to be denounced and cancelled because you did the right thing -- moral courage.

    I've noticed that the vast majority of human beings demonstrate physical courage when it is truly needed.

    Moral courage is less common.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    “Moral courage” actually means going against the moral values of society. “Lacking moral courage” means accepting moral standards of society, right or wrong. Please note that it’s a good thing in a normal society, because most people are dimwits to understand or think about whether certain moral standards are good or bad, and thus it’s better for them to just accept them. The problem is that society has been captured by the media (including social media) in what are evolutionarily novel circumstances.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @reiner Tor

    reiner Tor wrote to me:


    “Lacking moral courage” means accepting moral standards of society, right or wrong. Please note that it’s a good thing in a normal society, because most people are dimwits to understand or think about whether certain moral standards are good or bad, and thus it’s better for them to just accept them.
     
    Well, what if your "society" practices cannibalism? Or human sacrifice? Or burning heretics at the stake? Or slavery?

    On this, I think I will stand with Jesus and Socrates: the unexamined life is not worth living and all that.

    Your faith in the natural, uncriticized state of human society is touching, but, you know, the Left has never exactly suffered from an excess of rationality and self-criticism!

    In fact, a good case can be made that the Left is simply an embodiment in modern industrial society of the basic instincts and morality of a primitive hunter-gatherer band: equality, fraternity, sharing, group solidarity, reverence for the tribal totems, and all the rest.

    I'm not so sure that that serves hunter-gatherers all that well (and I am sure I would not have liked being in a hunter-gatherer band), but I am sure that it is devastating for a modern industrial society.

    The Left is atavistic.

    The Left hates bourgeois society and bourgeois morality because bourgeois values are superior to atavistic human instincts. The Left despises what it cannot understand and what it cannot create.

    The Left is parasitic upon the bourgeoisie.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  87. @Andrei Martyanov
    Reuters headline is a complete BS. Putin never said that and never implied, his phrase was:"we are not aware of any wrongdoing". But since Steve is one of the leading Russian language philologists, together with being Russian Study field lead in Anglo-Saxon world, what do I know. Especially coming from Reuters--a stellar bench-mark of truth and objectivity.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    Your (generally valid) points would find their targets more dependably if they were not hindered by quite so much derision.

  88. Biden’s vs Trump’s sons is a wash.

    Is there any conclusive evidence that Biden himself benefited from his son’s corrupt business dealings?

    It is pretty common for sons of presidents and vice presidents to leverage their family connections into profitable business deals. George W. Bush, himself the son of a president, seems to have done the same thing.

    That is what happens in America, and both Republicans and Democrats do the same thing.

    It is also absolutely routine for the American government to try to interfere in the elections of other countries, and there is no reason why other countries should not try to influence American elections.

    Remember how Obama threatened that if Britain did not vote to stay in Europe, then the UK would go to the bottom of the trade deal list as far as America was concerned.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan Mason asked:


    Is there any conclusive evidence that Biden himself benefited from his son’s corrupt business dealings?
     
    Biden has claimed that he never discussed Hunter's business dealings with Hunter.

    The emails document in detail that that is a lie.

    And, yes, I know that the MSM try to pretend that the real issue is whether Joe profited.

    That is not the issue: the issue is that Joe lied through his teeth.

    Just like the MSM.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  89. @reiner Tor
    @PhysicistDave

    “Moral courage” actually means going against the moral values of society. “Lacking moral courage” means accepting moral standards of society, right or wrong. Please note that it’s a good thing in a normal society, because most people are dimwits to understand or think about whether certain moral standards are good or bad, and thus it’s better for them to just accept them. The problem is that society has been captured by the media (including social media) in what are evolutionarily novel circumstances.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    reiner Tor wrote to me:

    “Lacking moral courage” means accepting moral standards of society, right or wrong. Please note that it’s a good thing in a normal society, because most people are dimwits to understand or think about whether certain moral standards are good or bad, and thus it’s better for them to just accept them.

    Well, what if your “society” practices cannibalism? Or human sacrifice? Or burning heretics at the stake? Or slavery?

    On this, I think I will stand with Jesus and Socrates: the unexamined life is not worth living and all that.

    Your faith in the natural, uncriticized state of human society is touching, but, you know, the Left has never exactly suffered from an excess of rationality and self-criticism!

    In fact, a good case can be made that the Left is simply an embodiment in modern industrial society of the basic instincts and morality of a primitive hunter-gatherer band: equality, fraternity, sharing, group solidarity, reverence for the tribal totems, and all the rest.

    I’m not so sure that that serves hunter-gatherers all that well (and I am sure I would not have liked being in a hunter-gatherer band), but I am sure that it is devastating for a modern industrial society.

    The Left is atavistic.

    The Left hates bourgeois society and bourgeois morality because bourgeois values are superior to atavistic human instincts. The Left despises what it cannot understand and what it cannot create.

    The Left is parasitic upon the bourgeoisie.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @PhysicistDave


    Your faith in the natural, uncriticized state of human society is touching, but, you know, the Left has never exactly suffered from an excess of rationality and self-criticism!
     
    I think maybe that's not reiner Tor's point. He's saying lack of moral courage means accepting the standards and mores of society, and that's a good thing in a normal society. If a society is healthy and properly governed, it's best for the majority of people to accept its values without question.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  90. @Jonathan Mason
    Biden's vs Trump's sons is a wash.

    Is there any conclusive evidence that Biden himself benefited from his son's corrupt business dealings?

    It is pretty common for sons of presidents and vice presidents to leverage their family connections into profitable business deals. George W. Bush, himself the son of a president, seems to have done the same thing.

    That is what happens in America, and both Republicans and Democrats do the same thing.

    It is also absolutely routine for the American government to try to interfere in the elections of other countries, and there is no reason why other countries should not try to influence American elections.

    Remember how Obama threatened that if Britain did not vote to stay in Europe, then the UK would go to the bottom of the trade deal list as far as America was concerned.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Jonathan Mason asked:

    Is there any conclusive evidence that Biden himself benefited from his son’s corrupt business dealings?

    Biden has claimed that he never discussed Hunter’s business dealings with Hunter.

    The emails document in detail that that is a lie.

    And, yes, I know that the MSM try to pretend that the real issue is whether Joe profited.

    That is not the issue: the issue is that Joe lied through his teeth.

    Just like the MSM.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @PhysicistDave

    All politicians lie through their teeth. The ability to lie is an essential qualification for the job.

    Unfortunately in the presidential election, just like 4 years ago, we are offered to exceedingly poor choices by the overall standards of world leaders.

    I think the majority viewpoint is going to be that Trump has done such a poor job that anybody else would be a better bet for the next four years.

    It is really disappointing that the Democratic party has chosen Biden. The Neil Kinnock plagiarism episode 20 years ago proved conclusively that Biden was a political lightweight, if nothing else, I should have removed him from consideration for national office forever.

    It is Tweedle Dum versus Tweedle Dee as far as I'm concerned, but Trump has done such a piss-poor job, that it would be very damaging for America to let the old boy continue to fail to provide global leadership for another 4 years.

    If it comes down to president Harris, I still think she would be an improvement over president Trump or president Pence. I think perhaps she has some potential to grow into the job.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @PhysicistDave

  91. @Greta Handel
    @reiner Tor


    For example he said about the NSA activities that Russia would do the same if it had the resources America has, as the temptation would be too large to resist for any government.
     
    Per my earlier (now #14) comment, I would like to read a transcript or watch this. Can you please provide a citation?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    It appears that Putin made the remarks during his 4 hour long annual press conference in December 2013, but there are video clips of him saying much the same thing on other occasions, too.

    Putin defends, even envies, NSA surveillance

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/putin-defends-even-envies-nsa-surveillance

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @PiltdownMan

    It seems that you don’t understand my comments.

    What you provided — “Putin defends, even envies, NSA surveillance” — is just another Establishment media report


    MOSCOW -- President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that the National Security Agency surveillance is necessary to fight terrorism, but added that the government needs to "limit the appetite" of the agency with a clear set of ground rules.

    Putin's comment at a major news conference was surprising support for President Obama's administration, which has faced massive criticism over the sweeping electronic espionage program.
     
    that fails to deliver on its deceitful headline.
  92. @PhysicistDave
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan Mason asked:


    Is there any conclusive evidence that Biden himself benefited from his son’s corrupt business dealings?
     
    Biden has claimed that he never discussed Hunter's business dealings with Hunter.

    The emails document in detail that that is a lie.

    And, yes, I know that the MSM try to pretend that the real issue is whether Joe profited.

    That is not the issue: the issue is that Joe lied through his teeth.

    Just like the MSM.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    All politicians lie through their teeth. The ability to lie is an essential qualification for the job.

    Unfortunately in the presidential election, just like 4 years ago, we are offered to exceedingly poor choices by the overall standards of world leaders.

    I think the majority viewpoint is going to be that Trump has done such a poor job that anybody else would be a better bet for the next four years.

    It is really disappointing that the Democratic party has chosen Biden. The Neil Kinnock plagiarism episode 20 years ago proved conclusively that Biden was a political lightweight, if nothing else, I should have removed him from consideration for national office forever.

    It is Tweedle Dum versus Tweedle Dee as far as I’m concerned, but Trump has done such a piss-poor job, that it would be very damaging for America to let the old boy continue to fail to provide global leadership for another 4 years.

    If it comes down to president Harris, I still think she would be an improvement over president Trump or president Pence. I think perhaps she has some potential to grow into the job.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jonathan Mason

    No the issue is the lengths that he went to “help” Hunter and enrich himself destroyed our reputation w/ key ally Ukraine (you can watch the CFR vid yourself) leading to a former comedian defeating the man he and McCain installed by a landslide.

    If Biden gets in he could do that with the whole world. Bull in a China shop. And of course he sold us out to China figuratively (which we already knew) and literally (that has now been revealed) for years.

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan Mason wrote to me:


    it would be very damaging for America to let the old boy continue to fail to provide global leadership for another 4 years.
     
    Trump is the first President in my lifetime to denounce "never-ending wars" and try to actually end them.

    I'm sick and tired of America providing "global leadership" at the price of the lives, the liberties, and the national treasure of the American people: the "national-security state," the deficits fueled by paying for other countries' defense, and the body bags with young men and women who gave their lives to feed the globalist fantasies of people like you.

    Sorry, my friend, but I will take the traditional American foreign policy -- ""peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations—entangling alliances with none" -- as my lodestar. Abolish the Deep State and all its organs, sell the Pentagon building, and bring our men and women home.

    Yeah, I know that internationalist militarism makes for some exciting movies and television shows that excite the feeble passions of beta male couch potatoes who lack any real lives.

    But I want my country back
    , the America created by Washington, Jefferson, and the other Founders, the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    Give me a President who renounces "global leadership" and who instead focuses on the lives, liberty, and prosperity of the American people.

    Replies: @GeneralRipper

  93. What would America have looked like today if we had brought in Chinese laborers to work the cotton farms instead of black slaves?

  94. @Dacian Julien Soros
    @James O'Meara

    The revolution was a gradient rather than a done deal. One week before the official date, rioters controlled the second largest city; almost one week after the official date, there were a few fat-cat make-belief commandos who were too afraid to show up to their former offices. of course, even Ceausescu survived 3 days after his overthrow.

    The report about Ceausescu's golden bathtub was on TV the second day after the official overthrow. I must have seen it a few tens of times as long as there was a risk of things going back the way they were. There were some obvious American agents and some obviously Soviet agents in the new government, so I am not entirely sure who to blame.

    But, but. About 3 hours after Ceausescu's departure, Free Europe was describing "untold riches". I don't know how things went on other days, but I could listen to the recordings from Day Zero and the "untold riches" were definitely there.

    Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros

    I forgot to mention that the “golden toilet” was just painted with some shiny yellow paint, in the way I image Trump’s toilet, or a French or American casino.

  95. @Peripatetic Commenter
    So are the Russians interfering on behalf of Trump or on behalf of Biden?

    Or is it only Putler who is out of step with the rest of Russia who are interfering on behalf of Trump.

    This is so confusing.

    Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter

    I think I have figured it out.

    By pretending to support the Bidens, Putler is actually interfering in our election for Trump.

    Those Russians are very tricksy!

  96. @Neoconned
    @J.Ross

    The thing i don't get regarding that argument is that even if the Russians did - Trump still won most of the Midwest fair and square in a classic hare & tortoise storyline.

    Trump busted his tail in the months leading up to November of 2016 doing whirlwind rallies primarily in Wisconsin etc.

    Meanwhile while Hillary made her stupid deplorable comment and sat on her ass & didn't do any campaigning much less in flyover country.....

    Trump won 2016 fair and square....

    And foreign interference? What about everybody from Saudi to Mexico to the UK to Japan to the Israelis to many many others using lobbyists and various 501 c 3 type dark money vehicles to bribe our politicians and mess with our elections? Has the media forgot about lobbyists taking cash and gifts for our politicians from foreign actors or countries?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The thing i don’t get regarding that argument is that even if the Russians did – Trump still won most of the Midwest fair and square in a classic hare & tortoise storyline.

    The “dark” truth is that Americans are better off if Russians do interfere in our elections. What does that say about us? It’s the Carter Center in reverse.

    (In defense of the Carter Center, they only come if invited.)

  97. @PhysicistDave
    @reiner Tor

    reiner Tor wrote to me:


    “Lacking moral courage” means accepting moral standards of society, right or wrong. Please note that it’s a good thing in a normal society, because most people are dimwits to understand or think about whether certain moral standards are good or bad, and thus it’s better for them to just accept them.
     
    Well, what if your "society" practices cannibalism? Or human sacrifice? Or burning heretics at the stake? Or slavery?

    On this, I think I will stand with Jesus and Socrates: the unexamined life is not worth living and all that.

    Your faith in the natural, uncriticized state of human society is touching, but, you know, the Left has never exactly suffered from an excess of rationality and self-criticism!

    In fact, a good case can be made that the Left is simply an embodiment in modern industrial society of the basic instincts and morality of a primitive hunter-gatherer band: equality, fraternity, sharing, group solidarity, reverence for the tribal totems, and all the rest.

    I'm not so sure that that serves hunter-gatherers all that well (and I am sure I would not have liked being in a hunter-gatherer band), but I am sure that it is devastating for a modern industrial society.

    The Left is atavistic.

    The Left hates bourgeois society and bourgeois morality because bourgeois values are superior to atavistic human instincts. The Left despises what it cannot understand and what it cannot create.

    The Left is parasitic upon the bourgeoisie.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    Your faith in the natural, uncriticized state of human society is touching, but, you know, the Left has never exactly suffered from an excess of rationality and self-criticism!

    I think maybe that’s not reiner Tor’s point. He’s saying lack of moral courage means accepting the standards and mores of society, and that’s a good thing in a normal society. If a society is healthy and properly governed, it’s best for the majority of people to accept its values without question.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Rob McX

    Rob McX wrote to me:


    I think maybe that’s not reiner Tor’s point. He’s saying lack of moral courage means accepting the standards and mores of society, and that’s a good thing in a normal society. If a society is healthy and properly governed, it’s best for the majority of people to accept its values without question.
     
    Yes, that may be what reiner means. I disagree with that.

    As far as I can tell, all human societies have some pretty rotten aspects that any decent person should reject. And I have a high enough opinion of ordinary people that I thin they have the ability to identify such features and oppose them, as long as they try seriously to uncover the truth rather than just blindly adhering to some alternative cult as our Leftist friends do.

    I do not think a human being has to have a PhD, as I do, to tell the difference between right and wrong -- indeed, I have not noticed that people with PhDs behave any more ethically than people who are only high-school graduates. We under-rate ordinary people if we think they lack the capacity for moral reasoning.

    In particular, I think all governments are corrupt, and I know that that fact is not exactly alien to ordinary people!

    I grasp that reiner disagrees with me on this.

    I would point out, however, that what I have just said -- both the corruption of all human societies and the obligation and capacity of ordinary people to identify and reject that corruption -- has been taken for granted in Christianity for two millennia.

    I do not think one has to be a fundamentalist Christian to see that, on this, Christianity is correct.
  98. He didn’t say the Bidens aren’t corrupt, he said he didn’t see anything criminal, which is testimony to the deep corruption that allows Joe Biden and Hunter Biden to walk around loose.

  99. @Muggles
    Only slightly off topic:

    The most important issue, post election regardless of who wins, is what can we (normal people) do about the absolute corruption of nearly all mainstream media in this country?

    I'd sooner believe (and often do) Russia Today or RT than any American print outlet (perhaps excepting the often shaky Wall St. Journal) or now the once mostly fair AP.

    Yes, there are some far right or libertarian websites, even a few legacy somewhat left journalists like Glenn Greenwald and most of the Intercept crew. Maybe someone can name other outlets.

    But the main Internet "news" websites seem to gin out the same biased garbage as the print/electronic broadcast media. It isn't just merely slanted, but obviously censored without apology other than mumbled utterances about "verification" when the news fails to fit the Woke Narrative. Like old Soviet (and now CCP) news outlets, what isn't reported is far more important than what they do report.

    So the issue remains: who can we trust to be halfway objective? Where are the supposed rightwing/libertarian zillionaires we used to believe existed? Sure news reporting is a tough market, but if it is so tough, why do neo communists and their camp followers continue to exist at all?

    The public seems indifferent, largely, to the obvious bias. I give Mr. Unz here credit for being a shining exception. Though the company on his website often leaves something to be desired. But even rabid haters can teach us something. If nothing else, that they are usually lazy and often untruthful.

    But post-election, who can we trust? Limbaugh is dying (and was a stupid neocon war lover for much of his career) and Alex Jones is just too far gone. Drudge? Sold out of course.

    Like the old Jefferson Airplane lyrics, "when the Truth is found, to be Lies, you just need somebody to Love."

    Yes, we do.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Desiderius, @Desiderius, @Corvinus, @Currier House

    Sailer

    Several Twitter accounts.

    Glenn Reynolds has always been a white hat.

    Same way the rest of us have for twenty years. It hasn’t been legit for a long time, if ever.

  100. @Muggles
    Only slightly off topic:

    The most important issue, post election regardless of who wins, is what can we (normal people) do about the absolute corruption of nearly all mainstream media in this country?

    I'd sooner believe (and often do) Russia Today or RT than any American print outlet (perhaps excepting the often shaky Wall St. Journal) or now the once mostly fair AP.

    Yes, there are some far right or libertarian websites, even a few legacy somewhat left journalists like Glenn Greenwald and most of the Intercept crew. Maybe someone can name other outlets.

    But the main Internet "news" websites seem to gin out the same biased garbage as the print/electronic broadcast media. It isn't just merely slanted, but obviously censored without apology other than mumbled utterances about "verification" when the news fails to fit the Woke Narrative. Like old Soviet (and now CCP) news outlets, what isn't reported is far more important than what they do report.

    So the issue remains: who can we trust to be halfway objective? Where are the supposed rightwing/libertarian zillionaires we used to believe existed? Sure news reporting is a tough market, but if it is so tough, why do neo communists and their camp followers continue to exist at all?

    The public seems indifferent, largely, to the obvious bias. I give Mr. Unz here credit for being a shining exception. Though the company on his website often leaves something to be desired. But even rabid haters can teach us something. If nothing else, that they are usually lazy and often untruthful.

    But post-election, who can we trust? Limbaugh is dying (and was a stupid neocon war lover for much of his career) and Alex Jones is just too far gone. Drudge? Sold out of course.

    Like the old Jefferson Airplane lyrics, "when the Truth is found, to be Lies, you just need somebody to Love."

    Yes, we do.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Desiderius, @Desiderius, @Corvinus, @Currier House

    Sailer

    Several Twitter accounts.

    Glenn Reynolds has always been a white hat.

    Same way the rest of us have for twenty years. It hasn’t been legit for a long time, if ever.

  101. @Jonathan Mason
    @PhysicistDave

    All politicians lie through their teeth. The ability to lie is an essential qualification for the job.

    Unfortunately in the presidential election, just like 4 years ago, we are offered to exceedingly poor choices by the overall standards of world leaders.

    I think the majority viewpoint is going to be that Trump has done such a poor job that anybody else would be a better bet for the next four years.

    It is really disappointing that the Democratic party has chosen Biden. The Neil Kinnock plagiarism episode 20 years ago proved conclusively that Biden was a political lightweight, if nothing else, I should have removed him from consideration for national office forever.

    It is Tweedle Dum versus Tweedle Dee as far as I'm concerned, but Trump has done such a piss-poor job, that it would be very damaging for America to let the old boy continue to fail to provide global leadership for another 4 years.

    If it comes down to president Harris, I still think she would be an improvement over president Trump or president Pence. I think perhaps she has some potential to grow into the job.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @PhysicistDave

    No the issue is the lengths that he went to “help” Hunter and enrich himself destroyed our reputation w/ key ally Ukraine (you can watch the CFR vid yourself) leading to a former comedian defeating the man he and McCain installed by a landslide.

    If Biden gets in he could do that with the whole world. Bull in a China shop. And of course he sold us out to China figuratively (which we already knew) and literally (that has now been revealed) for years.

  102. @Muggles
    Only slightly off topic:

    The most important issue, post election regardless of who wins, is what can we (normal people) do about the absolute corruption of nearly all mainstream media in this country?

    I'd sooner believe (and often do) Russia Today or RT than any American print outlet (perhaps excepting the often shaky Wall St. Journal) or now the once mostly fair AP.

    Yes, there are some far right or libertarian websites, even a few legacy somewhat left journalists like Glenn Greenwald and most of the Intercept crew. Maybe someone can name other outlets.

    But the main Internet "news" websites seem to gin out the same biased garbage as the print/electronic broadcast media. It isn't just merely slanted, but obviously censored without apology other than mumbled utterances about "verification" when the news fails to fit the Woke Narrative. Like old Soviet (and now CCP) news outlets, what isn't reported is far more important than what they do report.

    So the issue remains: who can we trust to be halfway objective? Where are the supposed rightwing/libertarian zillionaires we used to believe existed? Sure news reporting is a tough market, but if it is so tough, why do neo communists and their camp followers continue to exist at all?

    The public seems indifferent, largely, to the obvious bias. I give Mr. Unz here credit for being a shining exception. Though the company on his website often leaves something to be desired. But even rabid haters can teach us something. If nothing else, that they are usually lazy and often untruthful.

    But post-election, who can we trust? Limbaugh is dying (and was a stupid neocon war lover for much of his career) and Alex Jones is just too far gone. Drudge? Sold out of course.

    Like the old Jefferson Airplane lyrics, "when the Truth is found, to be Lies, you just need somebody to Love."

    Yes, we do.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Desiderius, @Desiderius, @Corvinus, @Currier House

    “The most important issue, post election regardless of who wins, is what can we (normal people)…

    That would be the No True Scotsman Fallacy in action.

    “do about the absolute corruption of nearly all mainstream media in this country?”

    That would be Fake News on your part.

    “I’d sooner believe (and often do) Russia Today or RT than any American print outlet (perhaps excepting the often shaky Wall St. Journal) or now the once mostly fair AP.”

    That is because you only seek information that conforms to your world view. You are a slave to confirmation bias. I do not even think you realize the irony here–you believe in independent thought, but so long as the thought holds only to your perspective.

    Yes, there are some far right or libertarian websites, even a few legacy somewhat left journalists like Glenn Greenwald and most of the Intercept crew. Maybe someone can name other outlets.

    “So the issue remains: who can we trust to be halfway objective?”

    You mean you can you trust with information that is subjective that fits into your “truth”.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Corvinus

    Corvinus wrote:


    That would be the No True Scotsman Fallacy in action.
     
    Have you still not learned that the "no true Scotsman fallacy" is itself a fallacy?

    Are you incapapble of understanding that in many situations it makes perfect sense to make such a point -- e.g., "No true mathematician would claim there are only a finite number of prime numbers"?

    Are you completely incapable of understanding logical thought?

    And did you notice that you forgot to put quotes around something you quoted?

    Oh, why do any of us try to communicate with a fool like you?
  103. @PhysicistDave
    "The Biden family is no more crooked than the leading figures in the Russian Federation."

    Replies: @Richard B

    “The Biden family is no more crooked than the leading figures in the Russian Federation.”

    Exactly. Neither one would think twice about stealing an election. This might explain why Putin’s comment sounds like an endorsement. Maybe it’s because he already knows the outcome of the election and wants to get along with the winner.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  104. @PhysicistDave
    The Left's plan is to rig Pennsylvania: they recently got a ruling out of the PA, heavily Democratic, state Supreme Court holding that the signatures on mail-in ballots do not have to match at all the signatures on file.

    It now appears that there is a good chance that Trump will take all of the states he took in 2016 with the possible exceptions of PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan. PA looks like his best shot among the three.

    So, the Left has to steal PA.

    The GOP seems to have no plan to fight the signature-fraud issue. The GOP is fighting on the issue of allowing mail-in ballots that arrive after election day, hoping that ACB on the US Supreme Court will win this issue for the GOP.

    A mistake, I think -- signature fraud should be enough for the Dems to steal the election.

    Which raises the question of what decent Americans must do in the event of brazen stealing of the election by the Left.

    The Dems are going to flood the streets with their thugs. I think normal Americans need to have the courage to show up physically at rallies in support of the rule of law.

    How many have the courage to do so? Our ancestors had such courage -- my grandfather was in the Pacific theater in WWII, my uncle on the other side of the family was a naval aviator. My great grandmother lost her younger brother in WW I. That's far more courage than required to show up for a peaceful rally to defend an honest election.

    Do many normal Americans today still have even that minimal level of courage?

    "These are the time that try men's souls..."

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @The Alarmist, @reactionry, @AndrewR, @The Wild Geese Howard, @eD, @Realist, @MBlanc46, @reiner Tor, @dvorak

    So, the Left has to steal PA.

    Biden is already screwed in Penn.

    Voters who fail to use the envelope inside an envelope will have their votes thrown out, statewide, (without a quantum of solace). Democrats have already conceded on this point of law, and are (without hope) educating their (low-information) voters about the double envelope.

    One weird trick for having your Penn. mail-in ballot counted: Use an envelope within the envelope.

  105. @Jonathan Mason
    @PhysicistDave

    All politicians lie through their teeth. The ability to lie is an essential qualification for the job.

    Unfortunately in the presidential election, just like 4 years ago, we are offered to exceedingly poor choices by the overall standards of world leaders.

    I think the majority viewpoint is going to be that Trump has done such a poor job that anybody else would be a better bet for the next four years.

    It is really disappointing that the Democratic party has chosen Biden. The Neil Kinnock plagiarism episode 20 years ago proved conclusively that Biden was a political lightweight, if nothing else, I should have removed him from consideration for national office forever.

    It is Tweedle Dum versus Tweedle Dee as far as I'm concerned, but Trump has done such a piss-poor job, that it would be very damaging for America to let the old boy continue to fail to provide global leadership for another 4 years.

    If it comes down to president Harris, I still think she would be an improvement over president Trump or president Pence. I think perhaps she has some potential to grow into the job.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @PhysicistDave

    Jonathan Mason wrote to me:

    it would be very damaging for America to let the old boy continue to fail to provide global leadership for another 4 years.

    Trump is the first President in my lifetime to denounce “never-ending wars” and try to actually end them.

    I’m sick and tired of America providing “global leadership” at the price of the lives, the liberties, and the national treasure of the American people: the “national-security state,” the deficits fueled by paying for other countries’ defense, and the body bags with young men and women who gave their lives to feed the globalist fantasies of people like you.

    Sorry, my friend, but I will take the traditional American foreign policy — “”peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations—entangling alliances with none” — as my lodestar. Abolish the Deep State and all its organs, sell the Pentagon building, and bring our men and women home.

    Yeah, I know that internationalist militarism makes for some exciting movies and television shows that excite the feeble passions of beta male couch potatoes who lack any real lives.

    But I want my country back
    , the America created by Washington, Jefferson, and the other Founders, the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    Give me a President who renounces “global leadership” and who instead focuses on the lives, liberty, and prosperity of the American people.

    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
    @PhysicistDave

    All out if agrees, so I'll so it this way.

    Exactly. Thank you, sir.

  106. @Corvinus
    @Muggles

    "The most important issue, post election regardless of who wins, is what can we (normal people)...

    That would be the No True Scotsman Fallacy in action.

    "do about the absolute corruption of nearly all mainstream media in this country?"

    That would be Fake News on your part.

    "I’d sooner believe (and often do) Russia Today or RT than any American print outlet (perhaps excepting the often shaky Wall St. Journal) or now the once mostly fair AP."

    That is because you only seek information that conforms to your world view. You are a slave to confirmation bias. I do not even think you realize the irony here--you believe in independent thought, but so long as the thought holds only to your perspective.

    Yes, there are some far right or libertarian websites, even a few legacy somewhat left journalists like Glenn Greenwald and most of the Intercept crew. Maybe someone can name other outlets.

    "So the issue remains: who can we trust to be halfway objective?"

    You mean you can you trust with information that is subjective that fits into your "truth".

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Corvinus wrote:

    That would be the No True Scotsman Fallacy in action.

    Have you still not learned that the “no true Scotsman fallacy” is itself a fallacy?

    Are you incapapble of understanding that in many situations it makes perfect sense to make such a point — e.g., “No true mathematician would claim there are only a finite number of prime numbers”?

    Are you completely incapable of understanding logical thought?

    And did you notice that you forgot to put quotes around something you quoted?

    Oh, why do any of us try to communicate with a fool like you?

  107. @Muggles
    Only slightly off topic:

    The most important issue, post election regardless of who wins, is what can we (normal people) do about the absolute corruption of nearly all mainstream media in this country?

    I'd sooner believe (and often do) Russia Today or RT than any American print outlet (perhaps excepting the often shaky Wall St. Journal) or now the once mostly fair AP.

    Yes, there are some far right or libertarian websites, even a few legacy somewhat left journalists like Glenn Greenwald and most of the Intercept crew. Maybe someone can name other outlets.

    But the main Internet "news" websites seem to gin out the same biased garbage as the print/electronic broadcast media. It isn't just merely slanted, but obviously censored without apology other than mumbled utterances about "verification" when the news fails to fit the Woke Narrative. Like old Soviet (and now CCP) news outlets, what isn't reported is far more important than what they do report.

    So the issue remains: who can we trust to be halfway objective? Where are the supposed rightwing/libertarian zillionaires we used to believe existed? Sure news reporting is a tough market, but if it is so tough, why do neo communists and their camp followers continue to exist at all?

    The public seems indifferent, largely, to the obvious bias. I give Mr. Unz here credit for being a shining exception. Though the company on his website often leaves something to be desired. But even rabid haters can teach us something. If nothing else, that they are usually lazy and often untruthful.

    But post-election, who can we trust? Limbaugh is dying (and was a stupid neocon war lover for much of his career) and Alex Jones is just too far gone. Drudge? Sold out of course.

    Like the old Jefferson Airplane lyrics, "when the Truth is found, to be Lies, you just need somebody to Love."

    Yes, we do.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Desiderius, @Desiderius, @Corvinus, @Currier House

    LewRockwell.com.

    The “Blog” and “Political Theatre” sections are often excellent, in my judgment.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  108. @Rob McX
    @PhysicistDave


    Your faith in the natural, uncriticized state of human society is touching, but, you know, the Left has never exactly suffered from an excess of rationality and self-criticism!
     
    I think maybe that's not reiner Tor's point. He's saying lack of moral courage means accepting the standards and mores of society, and that's a good thing in a normal society. If a society is healthy and properly governed, it's best for the majority of people to accept its values without question.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Rob McX wrote to me:

    I think maybe that’s not reiner Tor’s point. He’s saying lack of moral courage means accepting the standards and mores of society, and that’s a good thing in a normal society. If a society is healthy and properly governed, it’s best for the majority of people to accept its values without question.

    Yes, that may be what reiner means. I disagree with that.

    As far as I can tell, all human societies have some pretty rotten aspects that any decent person should reject. And I have a high enough opinion of ordinary people that I thin they have the ability to identify such features and oppose them, as long as they try seriously to uncover the truth rather than just blindly adhering to some alternative cult as our Leftist friends do.

    I do not think a human being has to have a PhD, as I do, to tell the difference between right and wrong — indeed, I have not noticed that people with PhDs behave any more ethically than people who are only high-school graduates. We under-rate ordinary people if we think they lack the capacity for moral reasoning.

    In particular, I think all governments are corrupt, and I know that that fact is not exactly alien to ordinary people!

    I grasp that reiner disagrees with me on this.

    I would point out, however, that what I have just said — both the corruption of all human societies and the obligation and capacity of ordinary people to identify and reject that corruption — has been taken for granted in Christianity for two millennia.

    I do not think one has to be a fundamentalist Christian to see that, on this, Christianity is correct.

  109. @PiltdownMan
    @Greta Handel

    It appears that Putin made the remarks during his 4 hour long annual press conference in December 2013, but there are video clips of him saying much the same thing on other occasions, too.


    Putin defends, even envies, NSA surveillance

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/putin-defends-even-envies-nsa-surveillance
     

    Replies: @Greta Handel

    It seems that you don’t understand my comments.

    What you provided — “Putin defends, even envies, NSA surveillance” — is just another Establishment media report

    MOSCOW — President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that the National Security Agency surveillance is necessary to fight terrorism, but added that the government needs to “limit the appetite” of the agency with a clear set of ground rules.

    Putin’s comment at a major news conference was surprising support for President Obama’s administration, which has faced massive criticism over the sweeping electronic espionage program.

    that fails to deliver on its deceitful headline.

  110. anon[377] • Disclaimer says:

    CIA has a new desperate last-gasp project to twist the overwhelming evidence of the Biden case.

    CIA lost control of its chosen puppet ruler Biden. Conclusive forensic-grade open source evidence shows the Biden family running a criminal enterprise in breach of CTOC Article 8§1b.

    https://www.baldingsworld.com/2020/10/22/report-on-biden-activities-with-china/

    https://nypost.com/2020/09/23/gop-senators-release-explosive-report-on-hunter-biden-burisma/

    https://mobile.twitter.com/HansMahncke/status/1318939284209082368/photo/1

    CIA’s real problem is, Biden got caught laundering money for CIA cutout Atlantic Council. That’s the same business Clinton was in, topping up CIA’s covert-ops slush fund with the Clinton Foundation. Clinton or Biden skimming is the least of it. As AML makes headway in international law, CIA keeps trying to wiggle out from under it. Their latest trick is fake eleemosynary organizations that let rich guys funnel proceeds of CIA crime and launder it. CIA puts senior state officials up to it, VIP bagmen willing to take their chances on a colorable claim to sovereign immunity: Clinton, Blair, Biden, people of that ilk.

    This is now plain as the nose on your face. The whole world knew it all along, so they went and proved it. Biden got caught in ten ABSCAM stings, run by competent foreign cops instead of FBI dumbshits. Case closed: CIA nomenklatura launder money for CIA criminal enterprise.

    So how does CIA cope? They try to make you fixate on the message, Biden compromised, Biden compromised, Biden compromised…

    But the message is, CIA’s busted.

    CIA’s busted.

    CIA’s busted.

  111. @PhysicistDave
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan Mason wrote to me:


    it would be very damaging for America to let the old boy continue to fail to provide global leadership for another 4 years.
     
    Trump is the first President in my lifetime to denounce "never-ending wars" and try to actually end them.

    I'm sick and tired of America providing "global leadership" at the price of the lives, the liberties, and the national treasure of the American people: the "national-security state," the deficits fueled by paying for other countries' defense, and the body bags with young men and women who gave their lives to feed the globalist fantasies of people like you.

    Sorry, my friend, but I will take the traditional American foreign policy -- ""peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations—entangling alliances with none" -- as my lodestar. Abolish the Deep State and all its organs, sell the Pentagon building, and bring our men and women home.

    Yeah, I know that internationalist militarism makes for some exciting movies and television shows that excite the feeble passions of beta male couch potatoes who lack any real lives.

    But I want my country back
    , the America created by Washington, Jefferson, and the other Founders, the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    Give me a President who renounces "global leadership" and who instead focuses on the lives, liberty, and prosperity of the American people.

    Replies: @GeneralRipper

    All out if agrees, so I’ll so it this way.

    Exactly. Thank you, sir.

  112. It’s highly unlikely that Putin himself has stolen anything. That’s why the oligarachs accepted him as a successor in the first place. The original lie that Putin had $40Bn was an invention of the late Boris Beresovsky’s cousin and was a PR plant for anti Putin media to be able to quote. Higher estimates are based on inflating this figure.

    It is possible to see Putin’s daily government activitie on the President of Russia website. He is basically too busy governing Russia to be rich, certainly to do anything with it. If he did have billions in the bank why would he work so damn hard. He could retire to his alleged Swiss Chalet/Crimean Resort/Sochi Palace to be guarded by a small army with boats and planes for a fast get away.

    He’ll have many millions simply as gifts but nothing extorted. I’ve spoken to people who dealt with him as an inward investment official in St Petersburg. None have a bad thing to say about him.

    By the way, he just fired one of his closest allies, the deputy head of the FSB who helped him remove the government in February 2004. This is significant and is almost certainly about purging the FSB of corruption. It is the last haven of large scale corruption in Russia.

  113. @M_Young
    "By the way, how much has Putin stolen? A billion, ten billion, or a hundred billion?"

    The difference is that Putin has 'stolen' while giving back the Russians their sovereignty, self-respect, and some hope.

    Contrast that with Yeltsin.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    Putin may have accepted gifts after the fact from a grateful Arkady Rotenberg or whoever. Actually stealing, no. Unnecessary.

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