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I gather there is going to be an election in the U.K. A lady named Jo Swinson is head of the third place Liberal Democrats. The Lib-Dems are big on the T in LGBT, but, amazingly enough for 2019, they are getting some resistance:
https://twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1203940602959876096
From the Times of London:
Puberty-blocker drug firm donated cash to Lib Dems
Nicholas Hellen and Caroline Wheeler
December 8 2019, 12:01am,
The Sunday TimesA pharmaceutical firm that markets drugs used in gender-identity clinics to delay puberty has given £100,000 to the Liberal Democrats.
Jo Swinson’s party has already upset feminists, who worry that the “extreme trans-ideological” policies in its manifesto will put vulnerable women at risk. …
The firm, owned by the Swedish billionaire Frederik Paulsen, markets the drug triptorelin, which is used to block puberty among adolescents.
The Lib Dem manifesto pledges “complete reform of the Gender Recognition Act to remove the requirement for medical reports, scrap the fee and recognise non-binary gender identities”.
There appears to be more pushback in Britain from women against men in dresses in girls’ locker rooms and women’s prisons. I was going to ask why, but I guess the more puzzling question is why not in the U.S.
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Their lesbians are tougher than our lesbians?
I think it's partly that we still have a Politically Incorrect mainstream print media, notably The Spectator, where anti-Trans views can be published. We seem to have a lot more bloody-minded women writers willing to stand up to macho men in dresses.
Go figure.
There is an interesting article about the tactics of the Trans lobby. Perhaps given that laws pertaining to it are either at the state or federal level has to do with it. Federal law tends to feel outside the control of most Americans and often done by fiat by the Supreme Court.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/
The key lines:
Really it doesn’t sound any different to any of the other deeply unpopular economic, social or immigration policies of the last 40 years. Not so specific to transgenderism.
Unlike the US, the main treatment clinic for supposed transgender children, Tavistock is NHS and thus, policy there is under more public scrutiny. A similar situation avails in Sweden where the main medical boards didn’t take an ‘affirming’ stance either since they have a more general view of the public good and aren’t out for profit. The raising of issues to do with children seems to be a crux point for transgenderism. Otherwise trans activism it’s just a request that a tiny number of odd people are allowed to behave slightly oddly and won’t raise much public ire.
Norway included women in their active military draft a few years back, and not only was this done quite straightforwardly, the leading lobby for the policy change was the feminist party itself. (Inconceivable in America.) Sweden, in contrast, snuck it in the servants' entrance-- discontinuing conscription in 2010, with the proviso that should it ever return, it would apply to both sexes. Surprise! Less than a decade later, it's back.
These are the only two countries that conscript the sexes equally. The saner Danes stick to an all-male draft.Sweden differs from the UK in that the state has a legal monopoly on health services, similar to educational degrees in France or first-class mail in the US. For disapproved alternative care, one has to go abroad.Replies: @TBA, @Dissident
Probably because the tranny mafia has been even more psychotic (and sucessful) in the UK and Canada than it is in the US.
https://www.takimag.com/article/the_battle_of_bollocks_david_cole/
You wrote about this before: https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-launches-a-coalition-of-the-fringes-terf-fight-in-uk-disgustingly-lesbian-feminists-are-allowed-to-criticize-transgender-ex-men/
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This site bills itself as the "Independent source for the top stories in worldwide gender identity news": https://www.womenarehuman.com
The US seems more influenced by its hot-house college environment which tolerates and enables a lot more bad behaviour by fruitcakes, especially by the very strange people it gives tenure to. No tenure system in the UK making you essentially un-fireable. Plus students tend to move out to live amongst the local population in shared accommodation after their first year, they will not live bottled up on campus throughout their degree.
“I was going to ask why, but I guess the more puzzling question is why not in the U.S.”
Our Becky’s with itchy 911 fingers have more to fear from the weaponized negro being sicced upon them by TPTB.
I actually am looking forward to this battle within the fringes.
My guess is abortion. UK feminists having secured access to abortion don’t feel the need to reflexively cling to their coalition no matter what, as US feminists feel they must lest Roe fall. They can’t bring themselves to agree with conservatives no matter what.
Social media should be abolished for female mental health’s (and Trump’s) sake.
An old joke, dating back to the Norman Scott/Jeremy Thorpe scandal of the late 1970s – which, to the uninitiated, was all about the fact and practice of buggery in high places.
“No Liberal Seats are safe”.
” seat” in this case is a double-entendre, being used in the sense of ‘Parliamentary Constituency’ and as a tailor’s euphemism for the male anatomy.
There! Ya see? It’s always like that, the corruption and influence peddling. First it was Big Tobacco. Then it was Big Oil. Now it’s Big Pube.
4thWaveNow
A community of parents & others questioning the medicalization of gender-atypical youthParticularly noteworthy, instructive and useful about the site is that it's perspective appears to be far from anything that could be considered right-wing. The people there appear to be fully on-board with the LGB part of the package and even at least much of the T. This, obviously, allows such a site to enjoy a degree credibility in the eyes of many that sites such as AMERICANS FOR TRUTH About Homosexuality (.com) and Mass Resistance (.org) cannot. (The latter two are my two top general sources for staying informed concerning the full "LGBT{whatever}" assault on decency and health.) A fourth site that I find highly valuable in this area is very different still from all three of those I mentioned until now. Unapologetically pro-homoerotic, the Man2Man Alliance (GRAPHIC CONTENT) easily rivals any anti-homoerotic source I've seen in exposing and condemning the hideous reality of buggery (anal penetration). (Man2Man Alliance founder Bill Weintraub coined the term FROT for the non-penetrative, mutually-genital act that he and his group promote as THE safe, painless, egalitarian, dignity-preserving, true form of male homosexual intercourse.)
I hadn’t heard of Frederik Paulsen before, but that’s probably because he’s mostly an international figure ‘based in Switzerland’, as one might say these days. I wouldn’t be surprised if he moved out of Sweden in the 70s like a lot of other businessmen. Coverered with various honors, yet his wikipedia page is amusingly passive-aggressive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederik_Paulsen_Jr
A real life Captain Sweden! Not all heroes wear fishnet stockings.
England is still stuck in the past.
I’ve been trying to think of a few transgender sequels for Hollywood studios to consider.
When Harry Became Sally
Miss Smith Comes Back From Washington
12 Angry Whatever
The Post-Op Always Rings Twice
Bury My Genitals At Wounded Knee
The Genderqueer Otherkin Who Knew Too Much
Pretty Ladyboy
Daddy Dearest
Laura and the Real Guy
A Few Good Womyn
The Terminatrix
It’s only a matter of time before ex-men displace women from politics as they’re doing now in sports.
Is it because Brits just can’t take men in dresses seriously- not when men in dresses in British culture calls to mind Danny La Rue, Dick Emery, Dame Edna Everage, Eddie Izzard, Grayson Perry, Charley’s aunt, the traditional Christmas pantomine, and on and on and on…?
Plus, I guess in Britain you don’t win over hearts and minds when you beat up women in public- even if you are a tranny.
PS: Big muslim voting population anyone?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bxRsj9lHKW4And Viscount Cornbury?
http://weirdnj.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Edward-Hyde-Portrait.jpgReplies: @Ano
I expect better from you, Sailer, even in your current incarnation.
Grumpier Old Women? I suggest casting Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Nancy Pelosi and for a little diversity, Maxine Waters.
What did Orwell say? If there is hope, it lies with the TERFs?
Dissenters include a former Liberal Democrat leader who is also an Evangelical Christian which is rare for a top British politician.
Tim Farron resigns and admits it would be ‘impossible’ for him to be Liberal Democrat leader and ‘remain faithful to Christ’
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/14/breaking-tim-farron-resigns-liberal-democrat-leader/
I think a lot of the changes commentators object to on this blog in the past few decades are due to the concentration of money and power in a handful of rich men. I think what is driving the “transgender” thing is simply that a number of billionaires are of that mindset and they want to make sure everyone appreciates that.
Enlightened Swedes trying to cash in on child abuse?
Does anyone have a link to a video or recording of Jo Swinson saying this? It would be interest to hear exactly how she put it.
That could be it. We have more pushback here than in Canada & Australia too, AFAICT.
I think it’s partly that we still have a Politically Incorrect mainstream print media, notably The Spectator, where anti-Trans views can be published. We seem to have a lot more bloody-minded women writers willing to stand up to macho men in dresses.
Not to bog the thread down with unnecessary detail, but what did she actually say? I’m confused – as I’m sure poor Jo is – on what the orthodoxy is at present.
Men wearing women’s clothing are of course an English tradition. It’s part of their rich cultural heritage. It’s woke to question your own cultural heritage.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/
The key lines:Really it doesn't sound any different to any of the other deeply unpopular economic, social or immigration policies of the last 40 years. Not so specific to transgenderism.
Unlike the US, the main treatment clinic for supposed transgender children, Tavistock is NHS and thus, policy there is under more public scrutiny. A similar situation avails in Sweden where the main medical boards didn't take an 'affirming' stance either since they have a more general view of the public good and aren't out for profit. The raising of issues to do with children seems to be a crux point for transgenderism. Otherwise trans activism it's just a request that a tiny number of odd people are allowed to behave slightly oddly and won't raise much public ire.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @HammerJack
Another example of this back-door strategy vis-à-vis sex:
Norway included women in their active military draft a few years back, and not only was this done quite straightforwardly, the leading lobby for the policy change was the feminist party itself. (Inconceivable in America.) Sweden, in contrast, snuck it in the servants’ entrance– discontinuing conscription in 2010, with the proviso that should it ever return, it would apply to both sexes. Surprise! Less than a decade later, it’s back.
These are the only two countries that conscript the sexes equally. The saner Danes stick to an all-male draft.
Sweden differs from the UK in that the state has a legal monopoly on health services, similar to educational degrees in France or first-class mail in the US. For disapproved alternative care, one has to go abroad.
@ B O’Neill:
From the article you linked-to:I wonder how many here even know that the very same Avengers series was later adapted in South Africa into a radio version.
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I think the two reasons why there is more British resistance are 1) the problem is more acute there (the LDP’s manifesto claiming medical reports should no longer be required prior to transitioning, is proof of that; I doubt that would fly in Massachusetts or California, let alone the USA more generally), and 2) British women are far more likely to take Feminism seriously. And if you take Feminism seriously, you’re more apt to notice that trannyism is a threat to the rights & privileges of women.
England is always slow to pick up on the US trends–but once they do, watch out! They cling on like a bulldog to a bone, worse than any American ever did or would.
Looking up pseudotrans Christopher Hambrook, mentioned in that piece, led to this headline:
Transgender Activist and Former School Board Trustee Candidate Threatens to Punch a Woman in the Face
This person admitted to going into a “frothing rage over a f***ing croissant.”
This site bills itself as the “Independent source for the top stories in worldwide gender identity news”: https://www.womenarehuman.com
If you ever doubted The Economist was a ruthless, deceiving newsletter sent out on behalf of the Davos crowd. From its weekly email announcing its U.K. election pick. (Lib Dems = 19th Century liberals!)
Laurencia of Arabia
The Genderqueer Otherkin Who Knew Too Much
Pretty Ladyboy
Daddy Dearest
Laura and the Real Guy
A Few Good Womyn
The Terminatrix
Plus, I guess in Britain you don't win over hearts and minds when you beat up women in public- even if you are a tranny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrHEOw_eCg
PS: Big muslim voting population anyone?Replies: @HammerJack, @Reg Cæsar, @S. Anonyia
Given how quickly western societies are becoming ever more perverted, what possible purpose could Muslims even have here, except to vanquish us? I, for one, welcome….
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/
The key lines:Really it doesn't sound any different to any of the other deeply unpopular economic, social or immigration policies of the last 40 years. Not so specific to transgenderism.
Unlike the US, the main treatment clinic for supposed transgender children, Tavistock is NHS and thus, policy there is under more public scrutiny. A similar situation avails in Sweden where the main medical boards didn't take an 'affirming' stance either since they have a more general view of the public good and aren't out for profit. The raising of issues to do with children seems to be a crux point for transgenderism. Otherwise trans activism it's just a request that a tiny number of odd people are allowed to behave slightly oddly and won't raise much public ire.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @HammerJack
Well, they’re evil but they’re not stupid.
One, two, three, four, one, two
Let me tell you where I will pee
That ladies room is the one for me
‘Cause I’m the Ex-man, yeah, I’m the Ex-man
Plus, I guess in Britain you don't win over hearts and minds when you beat up women in public- even if you are a tranny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrHEOw_eCg
PS: Big muslim voting population anyone?Replies: @HammerJack, @Reg Cæsar, @S. Anonyia
How did you leave out the Pepperpots?
And Viscount Cornbury?
Norway included women in their active military draft a few years back, and not only was this done quite straightforwardly, the leading lobby for the policy change was the feminist party itself. (Inconceivable in America.) Sweden, in contrast, snuck it in the servants' entrance-- discontinuing conscription in 2010, with the proviso that should it ever return, it would apply to both sexes. Surprise! Less than a decade later, it's back.
These are the only two countries that conscript the sexes equally. The saner Danes stick to an all-male draft.Sweden differs from the UK in that the state has a legal monopoly on health services, similar to educational degrees in France or first-class mail in the US. For disapproved alternative care, one has to go abroad.Replies: @TBA, @Dissident
I don’t know about “disapproved alternative care”, but if you don’t want to wait for an operation, you can always pay a private health care provider to do it at once.
I may be somewhat out-of-date on this point. Competition has been periodically introduced into the system since ca. 1990. Pharmaceuticals were among the last sectors to fall:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apoteket
Interesting phrasing.
They Live
Psycho
The Prime of Mr Jean Brodie
The Man Who Would Be Queen
Peggy Sue Got Misgendered
Ex-men stomping women in athletics short circuits the PC narrative, forcing “terf” feminists to draw the line.
But what if ex-men were getting athletically stomped by women? Would ex-men then be universally welcomed into the Victimhood Family?
But what if ex-men were getting athletically stomped by women? Would ex-men then be universally welcomed into the Victimhood Family?Replies: @Steve Sailer
Somebody wrote an essay about attending a tennis match in which Chrissie Evert beat ex-man Renee Richards in a 1970s pro tennis match.
TERFs a thing in UK?
Apparently it can happen, at least every half century or so.
Plus, I guess in Britain you don't win over hearts and minds when you beat up women in public- even if you are a tranny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrHEOw_eCg
PS: Big muslim voting population anyone?Replies: @HammerJack, @Reg Cæsar, @S. Anonyia
Having been to the British Isles recently: I think British and Irish men may be more chivalrous than Americans, that is a big part of it. American men often will not move over for women on the street, or open doors for women (unless you are in the South or more rural parts of the Midwest). They talk over women in conversations more too…because Americans in general have an aggressive, individualistic mentality (not always a bad thing). Perhaps chivalry is why British men are more disgusted/repulsed by the large bullying men in dresses entering women’s spaces.
They would not be so objectionable if they really were “ex-men”. Often they want to be recognized as women, while remaining biologically men.
The idea of a “female impersonator” appears to have vanished. Nowadays we are required by law to believe that such a person is a genuine woman, indistinguishable from the real thing.
The UK has newspapers that are not as slavishly pro trans as most US media is. Janice Turner writes for the Times of London. The NY Times, Washington Post and NPR never question trans dogma. Canada is similar to the US.
I think the Canadian Jessica Yaniv case is the most interesting trans story of the year. It was not mentioned at all by the US mainstream media that loves to cover trans issues. It was barely covered by Canadian media. No professional press were at Yaniv’s hearing. I think only one feminist blogger was there to report on what happened at the hearing.
I think the Canadian Jessica Yaniv case is the most interesting trans story of the year. It was not mentioned at all by the US mainstream media that loves to cover trans issues. It was barely covered by Canadian media. No professional press were at Yaniv's hearing. I think only one feminist blogger was there to report on what happened at the hearing.Replies: @Simon in London
I guess the question is why our media will grant space to the likes of Julie Bindel. It’s not as if they grant space to ‘Climate Change Deniers’ – James Delingpole was purged from the Telegraph, but I was reading Bindel there yesterday.
The UK Left-media slavishly follow the US-set line, but our right-media do have elements of an independent streak at least in some areas.
Jon Halpenny wrote:Interesting theory. I wonder what regular Unz comment-poster dfordoom would say about it.
[1] https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/RadioDerb/2017-10-20.html#07b
https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/RadioDerb/2018-04-06.html#06d
[2] https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/RadioDerb/2014-09-06.html#05
[3] Citations already given have some relevance here as well but on the specific matter of photographing minors, see the following.
There is no law against photographing children, Jemima Lewis, The Telegraph, 2008
A Sad Day For Parents And Photographers, Walsall 04/07/2010,
Gary S. Crutchley, Flickr.com
Photographing People and Children in Public Places | An Overview by Lindsay Dobson
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bxRsj9lHKW4And Viscount Cornbury?
http://weirdnj.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Edward-Hyde-Portrait.jpgReplies: @Ano
Ha, Ha!
…and how did you leave out Bonnie Prince Charlie!
https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/bonnie-prince-charlie-s-dress-that-became-a-fashion-hit-1-4376265
…and on and on and on…
Lesbiens in Britain play rugby (like American football without the padding). Lesbiens in America play softball (pretend version of baseball with all the padding).
Go figure.
America is a nation which is very much dominated by its Corporations. And US Corporations have fully signed onto the “woke” agenda for some years now.
Britain is less culturally dominated by Corporations, I think. So some British feminists still feel free to resist the Trans phenomenon.
They've almost crushed the anti-vax movement in the US. Sodium fluoride, a poison prohibited in much of Europe, is forced upon municipal water supplies, and even allowed in toothpastes.
Publishers so control the school market that it's nearly impossible to introduce an intelligent-design textbook into a public school anywhere north of Itta Bena. Corporations donate large sums to "science museums" which push evolution, but not, for some reason, racial evolution.'Twasn't always so. You let the Krauts give your gravid women Thalidomide-- at public expense!-- which we didn't. Phocomelic children were quite rare here.
Corporations had to beg our Supreme Court to allow them to sell contraceptives. Bob Guccione moved to London to found his magazine, Penthouse, because local laws still had some force here. Film censorship, always a thorn in the side of the industry, eroded much sooner in northern Europe than in America.
Advertising is disallowed on uniforms in our major team sports. Not so in the FA!
It’s almost as if any number of parties have a very real and consequential profit motive for promoting this whole Transgender farce. (In addition to the drugs, there’s the surgeons, all the other medical personnel, the “gender counselors”, etc.) It’s almost as if this constitutes a rather ghastly exploitation of the mentally ill and of confused children; a betrayal of them; a violation of the Hippocratic Oath.
I will take this opportunity to highly recommend a highly apropos site that I learned of thanks to someone who had posted it here at iSteve several years ago:
4thWaveNow
A community of parents & others questioning the medicalization of gender-atypical youth
Particularly noteworthy, instructive and useful about the site is that it’s perspective appears to be far from anything that could be considered right-wing. The people there appear to be fully on-board with the LGB part of the package and even at least much of the T. This, obviously, allows such a site to enjoy a degree credibility in the eyes of many that sites such as AMERICANS FOR TRUTH About Homosexuality (.com) and Mass Resistance (.org) cannot. (The latter two are my two top general sources for staying informed concerning the full “LGBT{whatever}” assault on decency and health.)
A fourth site that I find highly valuable in this area is very different still from all three of those I mentioned until now. Unapologetically pro-homoerotic, the Man2Man Alliance (GRAPHIC CONTENT) easily rivals any anti-homoerotic source I’ve seen in exposing and condemning the hideous reality of buggery (anal penetration). (Man2Man Alliance founder Bill Weintraub coined the term FROT for the non-penetrative, mutually-genital act that he and his group promote as THE safe, painless, egalitarian, dignity-preserving, true form of male homosexual intercourse.)
Any difference between UK and US is explained by the Transportation Act of 1717, which paved the way for otherwise unlikely meeting of the minds of The Founding Fathers. Ogling is a Founding-Father-ish thing.
After hearing of so many examples of the UK being even loonier[1],[2] than we here in the US are, it is most interesting indeed to finally hear of an area for which the opposite appears to be the case. Perhaps this greater resistance to transmania in the mother country is at least in part a positive side of what is perhaps the same basic instinct or trait that underlies the pedo-hysteria that would appear to have prevailed in that land in recent times. As a case in point of the latter, I would cite the culture of utterly irrational hyper-suspicion that surrounds the photographing of minors in public places. To be sure, we in the U.S. are far from free of this ourselves but from what I have read, it may be even worse in England.[3] (If only such instincts would have guided those complicit in the Rotherham travesty.[2])
Jon Halpenny wrote:
Interesting theory. I wonder what regular Unz comment-poster dfordoom would say about it.
[1] https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/RadioDerb/2017-10-20.html#07b
https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/RadioDerb/2018-04-06.html#06d
[2] https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/RadioDerb/2014-09-06.html#05
[3] Citations already given have some relevance here as well but on the specific matter of photographing minors, see the following.
There is no law against photographing children, Jemima Lewis, The Telegraph, 2008
A Sad Day For Parents And Photographers, Walsall 04/07/2010,
Gary S. Crutchley, Flickr.com
Photographing People and Children in Public Places | An Overview by Lindsay Dobson
There have been incidents of violence in Britain where transsexuals have assaulted real women who opposed them. This has probably cooled support for the cause on the left.
After the war there were a lot of orphans here in Norway, so the government allowed singles to adopt. In the mid-fifties the policy was banned as it turned out that pedophiles was taking liberties.
With the new same-sex marriage laws came a new set of challenges. If straight, married couples could adopt a child then so must the gheys, since they are unable to create a baby on their own. But what to do if the “marriage” fell apart? One of them had to become sole caretaker, so in the interest of fairness it was legislated that single households was also entitled to adopt.
We’ve learned nothing.
Britain is less culturally dominated by Corporations, I think. So some British feminists still feel free to resist the Trans phenomenon.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar
Yes. Just try and get a creationist- or intelligent design-friendly textbook into a public school anywhere north of Itta Bena. The publishers control the market. No competition, please!
Britain is less culturally dominated by Corporations, I think. So some British feminists still feel free to resist the Trans phenomenon.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar
More evidence of this:
They’ve almost crushed the anti-vax movement in the US. Sodium fluoride, a poison prohibited in much of Europe, is forced upon municipal water supplies, and even allowed in toothpastes.
Publishers so control the school market that it’s nearly impossible to introduce an intelligent-design textbook into a public school anywhere north of Itta Bena. Corporations donate large sums to “science museums” which push evolution, but not, for some reason, racial evolution.
‘Twasn’t always so. You let the Krauts give your gravid women Thalidomide– at public expense!– which we didn’t. Phocomelic children were quite rare here.
Corporations had to beg our Supreme Court to allow them to sell contraceptives. Bob Guccione moved to London to found his magazine, Penthouse, because local laws still had some force here. Film censorship, always a thorn in the side of the industry, eroded much sooner in northern Europe than in America.
Advertising is disallowed on uniforms in our major team sports. Not so in the FA!
Norway included women in their active military draft a few years back, and not only was this done quite straightforwardly, the leading lobby for the policy change was the feminist party itself. (Inconceivable in America.) Sweden, in contrast, snuck it in the servants' entrance-- discontinuing conscription in 2010, with the proviso that should it ever return, it would apply to both sexes. Surprise! Less than a decade later, it's back.
These are the only two countries that conscript the sexes equally. The saner Danes stick to an all-male draft.Sweden differs from the UK in that the state has a legal monopoly on health services, similar to educational degrees in France or first-class mail in the US. For disapproved alternative care, one has to go abroad.Replies: @TBA, @Dissident
One has to go abroad to (pretend to) be a broad, then?
@ B O’Neill:
From the article you linked-to:
I wonder how many here even know that the very same Avengers series was later adapted in South Africa into a radio version.
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