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Puerto Rico is a fascinating example of Open Borders in Action. Over the last dozen years, there has apparently been a big surge of Puerto Ricans without government jobs out of Puerto Rico, leaving fewer taxpayers behind to pay the government workers’ salaries. It’s a striking paradox: Puerto Rican left for America back when always the population growing and now they leave when the population shrinking.

The above graph is from a report by the Centennial hedge fund offering unpopular suggestions on how they could get paid off, such as by laying off teachers rendered unnecessary by the decline in enrollment.

Puerto Rican teachers are actually pretty cheap — base pay is around $20,000, although the test scores of their students on the Spanish-language version of the federal NAEP are even lower — but Puerto Rican administrators are not. Back on July 1, I reported:

Puerto Rico spends less than half as much as the U.S. average on Instruction: $3,082 in Puerto Rico vs. $6,520 in America, significantly less than any American state. But Puerto Rico spends more than the U.S. average on Total Support Services ($3,757 vs. $3,700). Puerto Rico is especially lavish when it comes to the shifty-sounding subcategories of General Administration ($699 in PR vs. $212 in America) and Other Support Services ($644 vs. $347). PR spends more per student on General Administration than any state in America, trailing only the notorious District of Columbia school system, and more even than DC and all 50 states on the nebulous Other Support Services.

How expensive should it be to educate Puerto Ricans in Puerto Rico? One way to look at this question is to consider private school fees in Puerto Rico. Because public schools in PR are so awful, 23% of students attend private school.

Prestigious private prep schools in Puerto Rico aren’t hugely expensive by, say, Manhattan standards. It’s a little hard to find posted tuition for elite English-language prep schools — a commenter suggests that they price discriminate based upon how much money they think you have — but among ones with a top reputation among English speakers in San Juan or Dorado Beach, Robinson School, which has a boarding school, peaks for 11th-12th graders at $11,595 for day students. Top of the line Spanish language prep schools appear to be in the high four figures, with run of the mill Spanish language private schools around $3,000.

It’s a poor place. (Except if you are a public school administrator, apparently.)

 
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  1. The question is when Puerto Rico will become a State.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Chiron


    The question is when Puerto Rico will become a State.
     
    No, the question is how we make them go the way of the Philippines. PR is like the 30-year-old teenager who won't leave home.

    Replies: @athEIst

  2. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    One of the big arguments of the so called ‘neo liberal’ Friedmanite school of economics – which has more or less dominated political economy these past 40 years, is that the ‘free market’ is not only dominant but sacrosanct. The very notion of ‘feather bedding’, as the Friedmanites put it, industry, states or people by taxpayer subsidy is anathema.
    Thus we have seen the west shorn of one industry after another, whole sectors more or less wiped out etc.
    Now, if there’s any truth at all in Friedmanism, one wonders just how Puerto Rico would have fared if it had never been colonized by the USA, and was forced to ‘stand up in its own two feet’ free of subsidy, free of mass emigration to the USA, and free of US government diktat.
    Would it be in a better or worse state that at present?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    The Dominican Republic is a reasonable comparison: a lower standard of living, but a certain degree of self-respect as a self-governing nation.

  3. Open borders do not equal happiness.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/596515/London-boroughs-most-miserable-places-live-UK

    Anyone who knows England at all well will see a pattern here.

    • Replies: @eah
    @22pp22

    At your link it says:

    The damning poll shamed the borough of Barking and Dagenham as the most miserable place to live in the country.

    Re Barking and Dagenham, here is what Wikipedia says about the demographics of the 'London Borough of Barking and Dagenham':

    At the time of the 2011 census, 49.5% of the borough's community identified themselves as white British. Barking and Dagenham has been strongly affected by immigration, with the white British population having dropped 30.6% from 2001 to 2011 - the second largest decrease in the country, behind neighbouring Newham. The population of non-UK born residents increasing by 205%.

    , @Hrw-500
    @22pp22

    Speaking of Open borders, I posted this video I saw on Youtube in another comment.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=405FSoBPoVA

    And one more article from Russia Today. http://www.rt.com/op-edge/311647-migrants-eu-policy-uk/

    Replies: @22pp22

  4. Apologies for being so OT, but this struck me as ready-made iSteve fodder. The BBC has noticed that black lives matter, even if they were not killed by police!

    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33765871

    Jessica Lussenhop takes a look at several black St. Louis residents who were murdered in recent years. It’s the usual grim tales, pretty much what you’d expect. Of course the pay off is what you’d expect too, it’s the white establishment’s fault that the black community prefers street justice, because the police don’t try hard enough. Jelani Cobb gets a walk on sound byte about how the rest of us don’t care enough about homicides in St. Louis.

    No mention of Zemir Begic.

  5. Also from the Express.co.uk:
    Remote Scottish islands are ‘the best place to live’.
    ctl-f “immi”?

  6. ‘Ricans are flooding into the Orlando area and have the ability to tilt Florida Democratic sooner than expected

  7. Puerto Rican left for America back when always the population growing and now they leave when the population shrinking.

    Um, what language is this sentence written in? Because it’s sure not English.

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    @Percy Gryce

    "West Side Story"....."America"

    , @Anonymous
    @Percy Gryce

    Try listening to "West Side Story".

    , @Kylie
    @Percy Gryce


    "Puerto Rican left for America back when always the population growing and now they leave when the population shrinking."

    Um, what language is this sentence written in? Because it’s sure not English.
     
    Possibly Puerto Rican Spanish as translated by Heb Arbusto.
    , @Frosted Flake
    @Percy Gryce

    Not a big fan of West Side Story, I guess.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy6wo2wpT2k

    Replies: @Kylie, @Hibernian

    , @Mike in Boston
    @Percy Gryce

    Percy, it should have been obvious that the ungrammatical insertion was a set-piece, in this case a quote from the lyrics of the linked song, "America" from the musical West Side Story:


    Puerto Rico . . .
    You ugly island . . .
    Island of tropic diseases.
    Always the hurricanes blowing,
    Always the population growing . . .
    And the money owing
     
    , @Anonymous
    @Percy Gryce

    West Side Story reference.

    , @anonymous
    @Percy Gryce

    It's from the song "America" from "West Side Story."
    Anita sings:
    Always the hurricanes blowing
    Always the population growing

    And----Steve provided a link !!!!!

    , @olson
    @Percy Gryce


    "always the population growing"
     
    If you click on the link, you will see that it is a line from the play, West Side Story.
    , @vinteuil
    @Percy Gryce

    "always the population growing" is a reference to the libretto for *West Side Story.*

    , @Wilkey
    @Percy Gryce

    Congratulations - you just accused one of Broadway's most famous lyricists, Stephen Sondheim, of not writing in English.

    Good on ya, mate. Yer a genius.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Percy Gryce

  8. “Puerto Rican left for America back when always the population growing and now they leave when the population shrinking.”

    Steve wrote that? It reads like something or a bad translation of something someone in Puerto Rico wrote.

  9. @Percy Gryce

    Puerto Rican left for America back when always the population growing and now they leave when the population shrinking.
     
    Um, what language is this sentence written in? Because it's sure not English.

    Replies: @pyrrhus, @Anonymous, @Kylie, @Frosted Flake, @Mike in Boston, @Anonymous, @anonymous, @olson, @vinteuil, @Wilkey

    “West Side Story”…..”America”

  10. @22pp22
    Open borders do not equal happiness.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/596515/London-boroughs-most-miserable-places-live-UK

    Anyone who knows England at all well will see a pattern here.

    Replies: @eah, @Hrw-500

    At your link it says:

    The damning poll shamed the borough of Barking and Dagenham as the most miserable place to live in the country.

    Re Barking and Dagenham, here is what Wikipedia says about the demographics of the ‘London Borough of Barking and Dagenham’:

    At the time of the 2011 census, 49.5% of the borough’s community identified themselves as white British. Barking and Dagenham has been strongly affected by immigration, with the white British population having dropped 30.6% from 2001 to 2011 – the second largest decrease in the country, behind neighbouring Newham. The population of non-UK born residents increasing by 205%.

  11. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Off-topic

    Dear iSteve,

    I’m writing to alert you to the biggest newstory of the month: Taylor Swift was savagely assaulted onstage mid performance. Two horndogs grabbed her by her gorgeous gams.

    The entire yard was abuzz with this news.

    Anyway, this South African prison has no electronic music or ecstasy. I’m trying to get my cocaine back and once I do that I will have room to maneuver.

    Your Amigo

  12. @Percy Gryce

    Puerto Rican left for America back when always the population growing and now they leave when the population shrinking.
     
    Um, what language is this sentence written in? Because it's sure not English.

    Replies: @pyrrhus, @Anonymous, @Kylie, @Frosted Flake, @Mike in Boston, @Anonymous, @anonymous, @olson, @vinteuil, @Wilkey

    Try listening to “West Side Story”.

  13. The Puerto Rico PISA exam score helps prove my hypothesis that IQ/academic achievement is controlled by culture, not genetics. In the US, Hispanics score slightly above blacks on all standardized exams but Puerto Rico is significantly below blacks on the PISA exam.

    Average PISA Scores
    Asian 548
    Black 434
    Hispanic 465
    White 518
    Puerto Rico 382

    When Puerto Ricans migrate are educated and acculturated in the US, they perform better than blacks.

    SAT reading/math/writing
    Black 431/429/418
    Puerto Rican (Stateside) 456/450/443

    https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/digitalServices/pdf/sat/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-ethnicity-2014.pdf

    (Puerto Rico islanders’ SAT scores (452/446/445) are artificially high because only 10% of high schoolers on the island take the SAT and almost all attend private school.)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Triumph104

    Right. In fact, it's more like 5% of the students on Puerto Rico take the SAT. There is an "SAT in Spanish" but I can't tell what the SAT scores for Puerto Rico are from.

    Another clue that bad schooling in Puerto Rico is a major factor is that Puerto Ricans in PR score worse on the math subtests. Math scores tend to be more dependent than reading scores on what happens at school.

  14. @Percy Gryce

    Puerto Rican left for America back when always the population growing and now they leave when the population shrinking.
     
    Um, what language is this sentence written in? Because it's sure not English.

    Replies: @pyrrhus, @Anonymous, @Kylie, @Frosted Flake, @Mike in Boston, @Anonymous, @anonymous, @olson, @vinteuil, @Wilkey

    “Puerto Rican left for America back when always the population growing and now they leave when the population shrinking.”

    Um, what language is this sentence written in? Because it’s sure not English.

    Possibly Puerto Rican Spanish as translated by Heb Arbusto.

  15. A bunch of white Latinos and sub-continentals made a bad bet and want Puerto Ricans to pay for it. Cry me a river. It’s probably much simpler(and cheaper) for PR to default and take its lumps the next time they need to borrow.

    Since they’re so keen on reducing deficits, here’s an idea for reducing American deficits: eliminate the carried interest exception for hedge fund managers and tax their income as income.

    Edit: I think they’re an ‘advisory’ firm, not an actual hedge fund.

  16. @Percy Gryce

    Puerto Rican left for America back when always the population growing and now they leave when the population shrinking.
     
    Um, what language is this sentence written in? Because it's sure not English.

    Replies: @pyrrhus, @Anonymous, @Kylie, @Frosted Flake, @Mike in Boston, @Anonymous, @anonymous, @olson, @vinteuil, @Wilkey

    Not a big fan of West Side Story, I guess.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Frosted Flake


    Not a big fan of West Side Story, I guess.
     
    I'm certainly not. My sister watched it and used to love imitating the singers of "Ameria" but all I could recall was "Things are all right in America".

    I absolutely loathe that accent, makes my fillings ache.
    , @Hibernian
    @Frosted Flake

    The girls are more stereotypically Latin in temperament, and some of them appear to have a little African ancestry, versus none of the guys, who could just as easily be Italians, maybe even Northern Italians. Yet the girls are the ones who praise America, while the guys proclaim the "if you're white, you're right" mantra.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  17. WhatEvvs [AKA "aamirkhanfan"] says:

    At your behest I read Colin Quinn’s book. On page 36 he says to blacks, “You broke Detroit.”

    How is he going to live that down?

  18. @Percy Gryce

    Puerto Rican left for America back when always the population growing and now they leave when the population shrinking.
     
    Um, what language is this sentence written in? Because it's sure not English.

    Replies: @pyrrhus, @Anonymous, @Kylie, @Frosted Flake, @Mike in Boston, @Anonymous, @anonymous, @olson, @vinteuil, @Wilkey

    Percy, it should have been obvious that the ungrammatical insertion was a set-piece, in this case a quote from the lyrics of the linked song, “America” from the musical West Side Story:

    Puerto Rico . . .
    You ugly island . . .
    Island of tropic diseases.
    Always the hurricanes blowing,
    Always the population growing . . .
    And the money owing

  19. @Percy Gryce

    Puerto Rican left for America back when always the population growing and now they leave when the population shrinking.
     
    Um, what language is this sentence written in? Because it's sure not English.

    Replies: @pyrrhus, @Anonymous, @Kylie, @Frosted Flake, @Mike in Boston, @Anonymous, @anonymous, @olson, @vinteuil, @Wilkey

    West Side Story reference.

  20. @Percy Gryce

    Puerto Rican left for America back when always the population growing and now they leave when the population shrinking.
     
    Um, what language is this sentence written in? Because it's sure not English.

    Replies: @pyrrhus, @Anonymous, @Kylie, @Frosted Flake, @Mike in Boston, @Anonymous, @anonymous, @olson, @vinteuil, @Wilkey

    It’s from the song “America” from “West Side Story.”
    Anita sings:
    Always the hurricanes blowing
    Always the population growing

    And—-Steve provided a link !!!!!

  21. As a case study in open borders, PR is a best-case scenario in that the US is subsidizing their life on the island, trying to make it as nice as possible so they’ll stay.

  22. @Percy Gryce

    Puerto Rican left for America back when always the population growing and now they leave when the population shrinking.
     
    Um, what language is this sentence written in? Because it's sure not English.

    Replies: @pyrrhus, @Anonymous, @Kylie, @Frosted Flake, @Mike in Boston, @Anonymous, @anonymous, @olson, @vinteuil, @Wilkey

    “always the population growing”

    If you click on the link, you will see that it is a line from the play, West Side Story.

  23. @Percy Gryce

    Puerto Rican left for America back when always the population growing and now they leave when the population shrinking.
     
    Um, what language is this sentence written in? Because it's sure not English.

    Replies: @pyrrhus, @Anonymous, @Kylie, @Frosted Flake, @Mike in Boston, @Anonymous, @anonymous, @olson, @vinteuil, @Wilkey

    “always the population growing” is a reference to the libretto for *West Side Story.*

  24. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    You want more Puerto Ricans in the U.S. (yes I know they’re technically Americans but they fly their own flag defiantly and blew up buildings across America back in the 1970s and tried to assassinate Truman, so I draw a line here), just look at Springfield, Mass. over the last 25 years. An old New England town is now a no-go Section 8 ghetto, with nightly gunfire, failed schools and Puerto Rican flags everywhere. Thanks Woodrow Wilson!

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @Anonymous


    An old New England town is now a no-go Section 8 ghetto,
     
    You mean a no-go Section Hate ghetto. Speaking of Section 8, or Hate, depending upon your POV, does anyone find it a bit coincidental that a policy that most of us think insane is actually named after the old military code for being discharged for being mentally unfit to serve? Surely those who devised such policy are also unfit to serve.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Anonymous

    By all accounts, Woodrow Wilson should go down as the worst president in U.S. History. Let's see: he got us into a war we had no business being in, and our effect on the outcome likely led to WW2. And as a result of that war, the resulting labor shortage kicked off the Great Migration, which wreaked havoc on our once great cities.

    Replies: @athEIst

  25. @Triumph104
    The Puerto Rico PISA exam score helps prove my hypothesis that IQ/academic achievement is controlled by culture, not genetics. In the US, Hispanics score slightly above blacks on all standardized exams but Puerto Rico is significantly below blacks on the PISA exam.

    Average PISA Scores
    Asian 548
    Black 434
    Hispanic 465
    White 518
    Puerto Rico 382

    When Puerto Ricans migrate are educated and acculturated in the US, they perform better than blacks.

    SAT reading/math/writing
    Black 431/429/418
    Puerto Rican (Stateside) 456/450/443

    https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/digitalServices/pdf/sat/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-ethnicity-2014.pdf

    (Puerto Rico islanders' SAT scores (452/446/445) are artificially high because only 10% of high schoolers on the island take the SAT and almost all attend private school.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Right. In fact, it’s more like 5% of the students on Puerto Rico take the SAT. There is an “SAT in Spanish” but I can’t tell what the SAT scores for Puerto Rico are from.

    Another clue that bad schooling in Puerto Rico is a major factor is that Puerto Ricans in PR score worse on the math subtests. Math scores tend to be more dependent than reading scores on what happens at school.

  26. @22pp22
    Open borders do not equal happiness.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/596515/London-boroughs-most-miserable-places-live-UK

    Anyone who knows England at all well will see a pattern here.

    Replies: @eah, @Hrw-500

    Speaking of Open borders, I posted this video I saw on Youtube in another comment.

    And one more article from Russia Today. http://www.rt.com/op-edge/311647-migrants-eu-policy-uk/

    • Replies: @22pp22
    @Hrw-500

    Israel hasbeen deporting illegal immigrants in huge numbers. Netanyahu says they are a threat to the character of the Jewish state.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/11/us-israel-africans-idUSBRE85A0VI20120611

  27. @Anonymous
    One of the big arguments of the so called 'neo liberal' Friedmanite school of economics - which has more or less dominated political economy these past 40 years, is that the 'free market' is not only dominant but sacrosanct. The very notion of 'feather bedding', as the Friedmanites put it, industry, states or people by taxpayer subsidy is anathema.
    Thus we have seen the west shorn of one industry after another, whole sectors more or less wiped out etc.
    Now, if there's any truth at all in Friedmanism, one wonders just how Puerto Rico would have fared if it had never been colonized by the USA, and was forced to 'stand up in its own two feet' free of subsidy, free of mass emigration to the USA, and free of US government diktat.
    Would it be in a better or worse state that at present?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The Dominican Republic is a reasonable comparison: a lower standard of living, but a certain degree of self-respect as a self-governing nation.

  28. @Frosted Flake
    @Percy Gryce

    Not a big fan of West Side Story, I guess.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy6wo2wpT2k

    Replies: @Kylie, @Hibernian

    Not a big fan of West Side Story, I guess.

    I’m certainly not. My sister watched it and used to love imitating the singers of “Ameria” but all I could recall was “Things are all right in America”.

    I absolutely loathe that accent, makes my fillings ache.

  29. This should be the Coates song about the Black Body.

    He got basketball bones.

  30. iSteveFan says:
    @Anonymous
    You want more Puerto Ricans in the U.S. (yes I know they're technically Americans but they fly their own flag defiantly and blew up buildings across America back in the 1970s and tried to assassinate Truman, so I draw a line here), just look at Springfield, Mass. over the last 25 years. An old New England town is now a no-go Section 8 ghetto, with nightly gunfire, failed schools and Puerto Rican flags everywhere. Thanks Woodrow Wilson!

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Hapalong Cassidy

    An old New England town is now a no-go Section 8 ghetto,

    You mean a no-go Section Hate ghetto. Speaking of Section 8, or Hate, depending upon your POV, does anyone find it a bit coincidental that a policy that most of us think insane is actually named after the old military code for being discharged for being mentally unfit to serve? Surely those who devised such policy are also unfit to serve.

  31. Puerto Rico is another example of the progressive quest to “spread democracy” via wars against non-threatening nations. Seems like we have been making this same mistake over and over again.

    While the influx of Puerto Ricans is unfortunate , where is the outrage against the Greencard Lottery which has rewarded citizenship to foreigners based on luck ? and the nation of our found is excluded from the lottery ? we could easily raise billions if we actioned off green cards, they could easily be sold for $100,000 …but we give them away based on “diversity” to get more Africans and Asians into America and exclude Canada, Australia and the UK.

    if we had charged $100,000 for these green cards the government would have collected almost $200 billion dollars since 1990. When you add in the fact that the 2 million lottery winners on average bring in more than 1 relative after they arrive, we would have collected $300 billion from the current lottery.

  32. @Anonymous
    You want more Puerto Ricans in the U.S. (yes I know they're technically Americans but they fly their own flag defiantly and blew up buildings across America back in the 1970s and tried to assassinate Truman, so I draw a line here), just look at Springfield, Mass. over the last 25 years. An old New England town is now a no-go Section 8 ghetto, with nightly gunfire, failed schools and Puerto Rican flags everywhere. Thanks Woodrow Wilson!

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Hapalong Cassidy

    By all accounts, Woodrow Wilson should go down as the worst president in U.S. History. Let’s see: he got us into a war we had no business being in, and our effect on the outcome likely led to WW2. And as a result of that war, the resulting labor shortage kicked off the Great Migration, which wreaked havoc on our once great cities.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @athEIst
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    WW did only two good things in eight years, one significant one, one minor one. He forced a Democratic congress to make good on the tariff reduction promised in the Democratic platform since the end of Reconstruction. He vetoed the Volstead Act(and was overridden).

  33. @Frosted Flake
    @Percy Gryce

    Not a big fan of West Side Story, I guess.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy6wo2wpT2k

    Replies: @Kylie, @Hibernian

    The girls are more stereotypically Latin in temperament, and some of them appear to have a little African ancestry, versus none of the guys, who could just as easily be Italians, maybe even Northern Italians. Yet the girls are the ones who praise America, while the guys proclaim the “if you’re white, you’re right” mantra.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Hibernian

    "The girls are more stereotypically Latin in temperament, and some of them appear to have a little African ancestry, versus none of the guys, who could just as easily be Italians, maybe even Northern Italians."

    The so-called "Puerto Rican" guys in West Side Story were played by Non Hispanic White guys. That would explain why they don't look like the Spanish speaking Brown guys you see operating taco trucks.

  34. @Chiron
    The question is when Puerto Rico will become a State.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The question is when Puerto Rico will become a State.

    No, the question is how we make them go the way of the Philippines. PR is like the 30-year-old teenager who won’t leave home.

    • Replies: @athEIst
    @Reg Cæsar

    This teenager is 117 y.o. and in 5 years will beat out Jeanne Calment as oldest ever.

  35. Everybody rich in America,

    Every woman bitch in America!

  36. @Hrw-500
    @22pp22

    Speaking of Open borders, I posted this video I saw on Youtube in another comment.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=405FSoBPoVA

    And one more article from Russia Today. http://www.rt.com/op-edge/311647-migrants-eu-policy-uk/

    Replies: @22pp22

    Israel hasbeen deporting illegal immigrants in huge numbers. Netanyahu says they are a threat to the character of the Jewish state.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/11/us-israel-africans-idUSBRE85A0VI20120611

  37. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Anonymous

    By all accounts, Woodrow Wilson should go down as the worst president in U.S. History. Let's see: he got us into a war we had no business being in, and our effect on the outcome likely led to WW2. And as a result of that war, the resulting labor shortage kicked off the Great Migration, which wreaked havoc on our once great cities.

    Replies: @athEIst

    WW did only two good things in eight years, one significant one, one minor one. He forced a Democratic congress to make good on the tariff reduction promised in the Democratic platform since the end of Reconstruction. He vetoed the Volstead Act(and was overridden).

  38. @Reg Cæsar
    @Chiron


    The question is when Puerto Rico will become a State.
     
    No, the question is how we make them go the way of the Philippines. PR is like the 30-year-old teenager who won't leave home.

    Replies: @athEIst

    This teenager is 117 y.o. and in 5 years will beat out Jeanne Calment as oldest ever.

  39. @Percy Gryce

    Puerto Rican left for America back when always the population growing and now they leave when the population shrinking.
     
    Um, what language is this sentence written in? Because it's sure not English.

    Replies: @pyrrhus, @Anonymous, @Kylie, @Frosted Flake, @Mike in Boston, @Anonymous, @anonymous, @olson, @vinteuil, @Wilkey

    Congratulations – you just accused one of Broadway’s most famous lyricists, Stephen Sondheim, of not writing in English.

    Good on ya, mate. Yer a genius.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Wilkey



    Congratulations – you just accused one of Broadway’s most famous lyricists, Stephen Sondheim, of not writing in English.

     

    He also wrote under the name "Esteban Rio Nido". Which apparently translates as "Sondheim".

    It was bad English, as it was meant to be.
    , @Percy Gryce
    @Wilkey

    Thank you. I'll defer to your intimate knowledge of Broadway show tunes and similar interests.

  40. @Wilkey
    @Percy Gryce

    Congratulations - you just accused one of Broadway's most famous lyricists, Stephen Sondheim, of not writing in English.

    Good on ya, mate. Yer a genius.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Percy Gryce

    Congratulations – you just accused one of Broadway’s most famous lyricists, Stephen Sondheim, of not writing in English.

    He also wrote under the name “Esteban Rio Nido”. Which apparently translates as “Sondheim”.

    It was bad English, as it was meant to be.

  41. @Hibernian
    @Frosted Flake

    The girls are more stereotypically Latin in temperament, and some of them appear to have a little African ancestry, versus none of the guys, who could just as easily be Italians, maybe even Northern Italians. Yet the girls are the ones who praise America, while the guys proclaim the "if you're white, you're right" mantra.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “The girls are more stereotypically Latin in temperament, and some of them appear to have a little African ancestry, versus none of the guys, who could just as easily be Italians, maybe even Northern Italians.”

    The so-called “Puerto Rican” guys in West Side Story were played by Non Hispanic White guys. That would explain why they don’t look like the Spanish speaking Brown guys you see operating taco trucks.

  42. @Wilkey
    @Percy Gryce

    Congratulations - you just accused one of Broadway's most famous lyricists, Stephen Sondheim, of not writing in English.

    Good on ya, mate. Yer a genius.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Percy Gryce

    Thank you. I’ll defer to your intimate knowledge of Broadway show tunes and similar interests.

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