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From the Daily Mail:

Washington Post journalist is suspended after tweeting a link to a 2016 story about Kobe Bryant’s rape case just hours after he died in helicopter crash

Felicia Sonmez is a national political reporter for The Washington Post

She was suspended by the newspaper on Sunday after controversial tweet

Sonmez was roasted for a post hours after Kobe Bryant died in helicopter crash

She tweeted link to a 2016 story about the 2003 rape allegations against Bryant

Twitter users blasted Sonmez for the timing of the post, which she then deleted

Sonmez replied that 10,000 people sent her ‘abuse and death threats’

In 2003, a 19-year-old woman alleged that Bryant raped her in Colorado hotel

The charges were dropped and the two sides settled a civil lawsuit

By ARIEL ZILBER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM and ASSOCIATED PRESS

PUBLISHED: 22:59 EST, 26 January 2020 | UPDATED: 00:04 EST, 27 January 2020

Somehow, I know that white men are at fault.

 
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  1. Yes — Felicia Sonmez certainly believed a white man was at fault when she engaged in her own pathetic metoo saga a couple of years ago. Perhaps karma is indeed real.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @James Forrestal
  2. Anon[360] • Disclaimer says:

    If the incident was treated as a crime at the time and an arrest was made, I don’t think it falls into the category of #metoo.

    #MeToo contains the implication that the sexual violation was not taken seriously and the woman was confused about whether she had the right to complain or whether her complaints would be acted upon. There’s the idea that the particular behavior was not overly frowned upon by people in the environment in question.

    Kobe was rather a garden variety accused felon and sex offender, whose victim decided not to go public.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @JimB
  3. JimB says:

    Some sex offenders are more equal than others.

    • LOL: jim jones
  4. Daniel H says:

    Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Let them turn on each other.

  5. Daniel H says:

    Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Let them turn on each other.

    When the good white girl learned to hate.

  6. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:

    Felicia Sonmez made a fatal intersectionality calculation error.
    She assumed that Black Male plus Female Rape Accusation equals #MeToo Moral Outrage.
    The correct calculation is Black Male plus Female Rape Accusation plus Black Sports Celebrity Status equals “You’re Fired, Racist!”

  7. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Going strong: twitter.com/search?q=feliciasonmez%20racist&src=typed_query&f=live

  8. Ano says:

    The WaPo is just suspending their national political reporter (with pay I presume).
    That’s all?
    No, she needs to suffer…Really suffer.
    Make her attend and cover the Senate trial.

  9. A literal “Bye Felicia.”

    • LOL: ScarletNumber, MBII
  10. JimB says:
    @Anon

    Kobe was rather a garden variety accused felon and sex offender, whose victim decided not to go public.

    I think the victim took a 4 million dollar bribe to drop her criminal complaint.

    • Replies: @Jesse
    , @Jim Christian
    , @NOTA
  11. O/T, but there is an amusing (and possibly ominous) increase in media stories about billionaire investors commenting on the upcoming election and a possible US stockmarket crash.

    George Soros has, not surprisingly, predicted that the S&P 500 will crash before October, and may well be planning some audacious short sell or Forex scheme to help bring that about. However, David Rubenstein (apparently in command of $222 billion in equity funds) says there won’t a collapse this year, and the Trumpster is actually doing an okay job.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    , @Rex Little
  12. The irony is, if she had tweeted the link two days ago, OR, if Bryant had not suddenly died, she’d not only be still working at the Post, but the MeToo movement might start up again with new legs, this time turning the Eye of Sauron on famous athletes who are perceived to get away with things like this all the time. Perhaps she thought that since Bryant was retired from the NBA, he’d be an easier target.

    Was just bad timing on the reporters part. Most likely she was going to tweet the link on Sunday anyway, (Sunday traditionally being a major day that older demographics still read newspapers) and Bryant just happened to have the bad luck to die on the same day in a tragic accident.

  13. Kobe admitted he had sex with the girl,but said it was consensual.
    I wonder if “It was consensual,”are the first words black males learn to say?

    • Agree: MBII
  14. JimB says:
    @Father O'Hara

    Kobe said it was reparations sex.

    • Agree: MBII
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  15. MEH 0910 says:

  16. JimDandy says:
    @Father O'Hara

    He admitted to causing all the bruising on her neck because choking was “his thing” and the stains on his shirt were her blood… Then again, she stayed late after her hotel shift was over because she wanted to meet him so badly, went up to his room and admitted to consensually making out with him for five minutes, and she went in for her rape test with another guy’s semen and blonde pubes on her panties, indicating that she banged another dude after she was “raped” by Kobe. I think the judge was right to toss the case. That doesn’t mean he’s innocent. Or guilty.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  17. @Father O'Hara

    Probably the second phrase they learn after “She had it coming.”

    • Replies: @Lurker
  18. Anon[360] • Disclaimer says:
    @XYZ (no Mr.)

    Yes — Felicia Sonmez certainly believed a white man was at fault when she engaged in her own pathetic metoo saga a couple of years ago. Perhaps karma is indeed real.

    Yes, huge backstory here.

    https://www.cjr.org/criticism/felicia-sonmez-metoo.php

    https://reason.com/2019/08/23/im-radioactive/

    https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-beijing-accusation-20180515-story.html

    https://www.hongkongfp.com/2018/05/15/second-allegation-sexual-misconduct-la-times-beijing-bureau-chief-jon-kaiman-surfaces/

    A little too much for me to dive into and figure out. All I know is that I’ve never heard of Sonmez, but Emily Yoffe I trust.

  19. @Ano

    The WaPo is just suspending their national political reporter (with pay I presume).
    That’s all?

    You call that suspension? I’ll show you suspension:

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  20. @Reg Cæsar

    Unsure if you should be posting these graphics.
    Wokistocracy is always looking for ideas you know.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  21. Anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    The Boolean operator ‘Black’ negates all other Totem Pole logic gates, alas, even the operator ‘Women’.

    The mystery is why people who make their living from playing the Totem Pole – which, incidentally, isn’t too far removed from its near namesake ‘playing the pink oboe’ – are unable to see the bleeding obvious.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  22. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Soros doesn’t manage money any longer. Gave most of his fortune to his foundation which doesn’t speculate. Family office run by his son has about 7 billion in assets it seems which is trivial.

    Rubenstein, along with his two partners, is also largely non executive now, and the sum you mention are funds raised for private equity acquisitions and not involved in short positions in financial markets.

  23. Somehow, I know that white men are at fault.

    White girl, so close enough. Jersey girl, so no harm, no foul.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  24. Jesse says:
    @JimB

    She won 4 million in civil court after he engaged in horrendous smearing to win in criminal court.

    Either way, no sympathy for him. Engaging in sexual activity with strangers is an inherently dangerous activity. If you take a stranger to a hotel room/car/whatever, and wind up robbed/beaten/accused of rape, then that’s entirely your own fault.

  25. white girls are OBSSESSED with Black Men and will then turn on them when caught by their white male authority figures. Anyone who has Black friends will know of the sexual fascination and hunger that white females have with Black Men.

    The truth is that there was no rape. In fact the girl forced herself on Mr. Bryant as usual.

    The reporter is a horror d human being. A man and his child are dead. Let the family mourn. Do t use the the lies of a privilege white male adjacent selfish person tograndstand

  26. Circular firing squads ramping up. 2020 is going to be lit.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  27. @Jesse

    She won 4 million in civil court after he engaged in horrendous smearing to win in criminal court.

    This statement isn’t true in any way.

    • Replies: @Jesse
    , @Brutusale
  28. @Anon

    Yes, I too tend to believe Emily Yoffe.

    As for Felicia, she reminds me of that episode of Seinfeld where Jerry thinks his girlfriend is good looking, but all of his friends think she is ugly. In her Twitter picture she looks really cute, and she is 35. However, there are other pictures of her where she looks not-so-cute.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
  29. @The Alarmist

    It turns out that Felicia is indeed from Hackensack, New Jersey. As Dave Pinsen can tell you, Hackensack is full of black guys who don’t seem to have too much to do in the middle of the afternoon, although it does have its share of expensive high rises. I wonder if Felicia is a graduate of Hackensack High School, as there are a plethora of private and charter high schools in the area.

  30. Sailer writes “Somehow, I know that white men are at fault.”

    In this particular case, using Sailer’s Intersectional Pokemon Points calculator, a more likely explanation is that white women are at fault. That is an allowable conclusion, since they have lower points than black men, and the rape victim was a white woman.

  31. El Dato says:

    That’s called “self-destructive testing of wrongthink”.

    Twitter Shriekers and the Army of Retards powering Jake’s Shitshow are elements that inform real-world decisions? Not a SciFi short story from the era of pre-AOL-gets-on-the-Internet times. It’s 2020 out there, and you better wait out the mental sickness by staying inside.

    More interesting, from Scott Aaronson’s mostly excellent blog:

    An alternative argument for why women leave STEM: Guest post by Karen Morenz

    The blog author writes [remarks mine]:

    Briefly: anyone with a brain and a soul wants there to be many more women in STEM [is that so?]. Karen outlines a realistic way to achieve this shared goal. Crucially, Karen’s way is not about shaming male STEM nerds for their deep-seated misogyny, their arrogant mansplaining, or their gross, creepy, predatory sexual desires [my dear friend, I do hope this is sarcasm?]. Yes, you can go the shaming route (God knows it’s being tried). If you do, you’ll probably snare many guys who really do deserve to be shamed as creeps or misogynists, along with many more who don’t. Yet for all your efforts, Karen predicts, you’ll no more solve the original problem of too few women in STEM, than arresting [a nice euphemism, surely?] the kulaks solved the problem of lifting the masses out of poverty. [the goal was not to “lift the masses out of poverty”, but I digress]

    For you still won’t have made a dent in the real issue: namely that, the way we’ve set things up, pursuing an academic STEM career demands fanatical devotion, to the exclusion of nearly everything else in life, between the ages of roughly 18 and 35 [and after]. And as long as that’s true, Karen says, the majority of talented women are going to look at academic STEM, in light of all the other great options available to them, and say “no thanks.” Solving this problem might look like more money for maternity leave and childcare. It might also look like re-imagining the academic career trajectory itself, to make it easier to rejoin it after five or ten years away. Way back in 2006, I tried to make this point in a blog post called Nerdify the world, and the women will follow. I’m grateful to Karen for making it more cogently than I did.

    That’s a bit of reading there.

    Let me just say that the sport of academe, as in military confrontation, is to put all resources on the line (fair and unfair, if you can get away with it) to get ahead of the competition. It’s the nature of the game matrix. So I have no high hopes for a relaxed attitude allowing more women in STEM.

    • Replies: @Charon
    , @obwandiyag
  32. Altai says:

    Here is a nice summary on the rape that also bemoans with examples how athletes, tended to be black, get an amazing pass for rape, murder, manslaughter and wife beating but that saying something ‘racist’ leads to career termination.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/kobe-bryants-rape-charge-i-885653

    As others noted, it’s weird that there is little mention of his daughter or even showing of her picture. They’re also now going on about the other basketball coach but no mention of his daughter either.

    I also like how a guy who beat a rape rap purely based on being a celebrity chose ‘Mamba magic’ as his slogan.

  33. Jesse says:
    @ScarletNumber

    The fact remains, though, that he engaged in high risk sexual activity, and everything that happened was entirely his own fault.

  34. Altai says:
    @Mickey Winton

    The rape case is actually quite compelling. The girl suffered serious tearing inside her vagina consistent with rape, she was bleeding. She was also had evidence of bruising on the back of her neck. Bryants own story states that he stopped when she asked him, not that she never asked him to stop. The very first thing she did when she left his room was go to another member of staff and tell them he raped her.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Alden
  35. Anonymous[710] • Disclaimer says:
    @JimB

    Oh, naker please…

    • LOL: black sea
  36. Tweet this, I dare ya

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Old Prude
  37. @JimB

    Not sure about the victim, that was an NDA. But Kobe DID buy his wife a ring, a huge diamond, cost him at the time over 4 million. Tell me THAT wasn’t payoff. No matter how ya slice it, he raped. Virginia has a Black AG name of Jackson has THREE women with criminal rape complaints that get no action from Virginia law enforcement. Be a politician, be a sports figure (Black) with plenty of dough, no reason not to rape a chick if she gets reluctant, there’s no penalty for Christ’s sake. Especially if it’s a white chick.

    • Replies: @JimB
    , @Percy Gryce
    , @Charon
  38. Mr. Bryant’s ability to throw a ball through a metal hoop has enriched my life in countless ways. As in, I can’t think of any ways to count.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • LOL: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  39. @Mr McKenna

    That’s pretty funny. Kobe was a 3-digit IQ guy from the nice suburbs of Philadelphia and who’d lived in Italy when his dad was wrapping up his pro career there, who would have gone to Duke if he hadn’t gone straight to the NBA out of high school.

    NBA guards have gotten more genteel in upbringing over the years as the emphasis has changed from penetrating to the basket to 3 point shooting, so you get more suburban guys who grew up with their own basketball hoop out on the driveway to practice long shots on rather than urban housing project guys who played 5 on 5 on park district courts.

    Oddly, though, I once made up a list of the best centers in basketball history up through about 2008 and only Moses Malone came up as low IQ. The others were George Mikan, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton, David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem Olajuwon. We know Robinson’s SAT score (1300) and Kareem’s (1230). Kareem always wanted to be a sportswriter and he’s now a decent pundit for Time magazine. Russell was a decent coach and a great interview. Wilt was … interesting in a sort of Performance Art way of living his life, constantly getting bored and setting new challenges for himself. Duncan was a classic bourgeois West Indian and Olajuwon was a pretty similar Nigerian who kept getting better as he learned more about basketball. Shaq went back and forth between being dull and interesting.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    , @Anon
    , @Hail
  40. Jake says:

    The Yankee WASP made the Negro Numinous as the central feature in its waging culture war against non-WASP whites.

    We’ve seen this destruction of whites who dared tell even little bits of truth before, and we will keep seeing it.

  41. White woman feelings, to be honest, have always been indulged by White men in a way that no other race does.

    It’s amusing, because many White women want to keep playing the victim card but it doesn’t look like POC will let them. At least not the Black ones.

    • Agree: Andy, Malcolm X-Lax
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Alden
  42. JimB says:
    @Jim Christian

    Be a politician, be a sports figure (Black) with plenty of dough, no reason not to rape a chick if she gets reluctant, there’s no penalty for Christ’s sake.

    No reason not to kill her either, as Teddy and the Juice proved.

  43. Kirt says:

    More specifically than white men, it was Donald Trump’s fault.

    • Replies: @Altai
  44. @Anonymous

    I’m sorry, am I the only one enjoying the war between Woke White Women with tears vs POC?

  45. Brutusale says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Yeah, it was $2.5 million. Still, a nice payday, though not close to the $4 million ring the wife got to shut her up.

  46. The Bryant creature was a rapist.

    His victim deserved to be raped.

    These two are not mutually exclusive facts.

    I’m glad he is dead; I hope he experienced abject terror as the machine careened to earth.

  47. Dumb girl disnt realize that under intersectionality black man beats white woman

  48. The journalist Ariel Zilber is Israeli. Steve links to him quite a bit. I wonder when he’s going to do a profile on him like he did about the journalist from Detroit who became and Israeli citizen.

  49. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cloudbuster

    Mr. Bryant’s ability to throw a ball through a metal hoop has enriched my life in countless ways. As in, I can’t think of any ways to count.

    It was only young when I first learned to count. It was odd, even then.

  50. Bitfu says:
    @Jesse

    The accuser admitted to having sex with another dude (whom she also had just met) less than 24 hours after voluntarily going up to Kobe’s hotel room. Instead of being relevant to Kobe’s defense, you call that a ‘horrendous smearing’? Hilarious.

    Basically, you’re just an SJW moron without a home. You might try VOX.

  51. @anon

    i think a big part of black intersectional status is that blacks are highly tribal and will attack non-blacks who attack a fellow black. So intersectionality is actually reinforced by whoever can get the biggest mob of people to attack someone. that’s why blacks will always be more intersectional than the gays or trans shims, they can summon a larger and angrier mob.

  52. @Jim Christian

    Virginia has a black lieutenant governor, with the very old-line Virginia name of Justin Fairfax. Fairfax has been accused of rape by two black female professionals. Despite widespread calls for him to resign, he has hung tough.

    Fairfax’s resistance had allowed Virginia governor Ralph Northam, a white medical doctor, to weather his own black-face scandal because if Northam resigned, accused rapist Fairfax would become governor.

    Virginia’s attorney general is Mark Herring, a white lawyer, who preemptively admitted his own history of black face, presumably because he feared pictures would surface in the wake of the Northam case.

    All three have remained in office. Guess the party.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  53. @anon

    For good measure, maybe they should fire ARIEL ZILBER and all other journalists who report this outrage. After all, reporting that someone mentioned Kobe’s rape case is as good as reporting it yourself.

  54. Andy says:

    Under intersectionality, a black man has more pokemon points than a white woman. But this reporter seems unaware of that

  55. Barnard says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I think most basketball fans would put Patrick Ewing on the best center list. He would be more toward the Moses Malone end of the IQ spectrum than the David Robinson end. Ewing is not having much success as Georgetown’s head coach now.

  56. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:

    Have just read the Reason dot com link above about Somnez’s last rodeo and wow, there’s no reason to let her off this hook (let alone laud for Twitter courage). It would be socially useful to attach this to her running Google c.v.– what Tom Wolfe called “the Great Relearning” in another context. Before broadband koffee klatsch the worst personality defects of toxic journalists at least only harmed their coworkers & families

  57. There is a connection between Felicia and Steve. Felicia’s mother went back to college as an adult student and graduated with a degree in social work in 2017 at the age of 60. Her college? William Paterson, where Steve competed in College Bowl in 1979, when Felicia’s mother was 22.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  58. Anonymous[236] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    The FAA airman database is a publicly accessible fountain of fascination. It’s fun to play with to as who is in there and for what.

    Kelly Flinn, the sex mad bomber pilot who got cashiered, apparently is still an active airline pilot. From her listed ratings some one with air carrier knowledge could probably guess she works for one of two employers, but I’ll not detail that. She deserves her privacy now.

    Dick Dale is in there, under Richard Anthony Monsour. He died less than a year ago.

    I know people who have been dead for thirty years who are still listed, but certain celebrities known to have had valid pilot’s licenses, like Veronica Lake, are not. I guess if the license was issued far back enough and never appended with a current medical, it was never in the database. L Ron Hubbard is not either.

    Ghislaine Noelle Maxwell, private pilot rotorcraft helicopter. Noelle? Along with Christopher and Natalie, Noel or derivations thereof are considered Specifically Not Jewish. Maybe because her mother was a shiksa, she is halachically not a Jewess and she is compensating by working for Mossad. She could just convert, which for a woman involves no knife work. Interesting.

    Julee Cruise claims to be a pilot, but is not in there. Cruise is her birth surname and her DOB is 12/1/1956, no records under Cruise, or her husband’s surname.

    Tina Louise is said to be a rated helo pilot but is not in there, at least not under “Louise”. I didn’t find out birth or married surnames.

  59. Ian Smith says:

    Affluent white women are really angry that men accused of rape aren’t just gibbeted in public.

    Carey Mulligan plays a campus rape victim. The Haven Monaghan who raped her is let off scot free because of course no one believes women making rape accusations on college campuses. Mulliganmthen goes on,a recent spree against men. It’s written and directed by the chubby actress who plays Camilla Parker Bowles on The Crown.

  60. Rob Lee says:
    @Mickey Winton

    I honestly can’t tell if the esteemed “Mickey Winton” is Tiny Duck or Whiskey.

    The syntax and misspellings are certainly Tiny Duck-ish, but the cucking is definitely Whiskey-ish…

    The imagined conjoining of the two is mind-blowing. Imagine being stuck in an elevator together with those two for a few hours! I’d have to chew through the elevator door.

  61. Charon says:
    @El Dato

    Sounds like the solution to getting more women into STEM fields is to make it much easier at every juncture, and to offer women cash bonuses for taking time off, letting them work part-time but with full-time pay and benefits; and to give them special benefits and dispensations unavailable to men.

    In other words, pretty much the same deal they’re getting in virtually every other field.

  62. Altai says:

    America is doomed.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  63. Charon says:
    @Jim Christian

    Although I’ve always strongly disapproved of undisclosed extra-marital sexual relations, the price of tolerance for me would probably come in well under $4 million.

    That said, if the ring was $4 million retail, everyone involved might have been shafted. Except for the diamond dealer of course.

  64. Neoconned says:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/12/24/nba-ratings-decline-explanation-espn-tnt-abc-adam-silver/%3foutputType=amp

    Steve posted a link few yrs back about NBA ratings being in trouble….thought this was interesting…..i don’t watch the NBA any more.

  65. @Jesse

    Either way, no sympathy for him. Engaging in sexual activity with strangers is an inherently dangerous activity. If you take a stranger to a hotel room/car/whatever, and wind up robbed/beaten/accused of rape, then that’s entirely your own fault.

    On the other hand, engaging in sexual activity with non-strangers is also an inherently dangerous activity. Women are beaten, murdered and raped by men they’re in sexual relationships with, they get “accidentally pregnant” from time to time, they accuse men who aren’t strangers of rape, and women can extract wealth and labor from non-strangers with whom they’ve been in sexual relationships. This seems fairly “inherently dangerous” to me.

    Perhaps the only way to prevent any and all danger from other people is to live as a cloistered monk on a desolate mountaintop.

    • Replies: @Jesse
  66. @ScarletNumber

    Felicia generally looks pretty good, in a Beckyesque way (one reason she’s facing plenty of abuse here). But there’s a couple of shots where she could be Chelsea Clinton’s sister.

  67. Neoconned says:
    @duncsbaby

    There is NOTHING grosser to Latino or white dudes than latina or white mudsharks….and the STI microbiological lab they carry in their private area….

    Somebody should warn Yolanda before her Latino relatives blacklist her as nasty.

    I have a cousin who got herpes from his ex wife. My mother refuses to let him use her bathroom.

  68. Rurik says:
    @Altai

    The rape case is actually quite compelling.

    I remember it. An accusation of rape, and then a tsunami of outraged basketball fans howling that she should keep her mouth shut! This was Kobe! Who the f’ did this little bitch think she was?! She should feel honored that Kobe! raped her. How many other little no-body girls get raped by Kobe?!

    It was sickening to listen to all these white men I know, basketball fans, defending Kobe and calling her a lying gold-digger- without a shred of evidence. ‘She went to his room’, ‘what the f’ did she expect?! Blah, blah..

    The evidence indicated that she was brutally raped, as you mention. And that she went to the authorities.

    And then the pile-on. It wasn’t enough that she was raped by a basketball player, then she got raped by the media and sport fans of America.

    From what I remember about the case, she finally said she wouldn’t press charges (either criminal or civil), so long as he admitted what he did, so that the media and sports fans would st0p demonizing her. So Kobe admitted publically that ‘It wasn’t consensual”, and they both moved on.

    But I’ll never forget the way sports fans (black and white men) reacted to a young woman being brutally raped, so long as it was a (black) sports ‘hero’ that did it.

    ‘F that bitch’ was their attitude, and I remember remembering why I was never a sports fan.

    If they could teach a gorilla play football, and to be gentle with the other players, and not break their bones and rip their arms from their sockets, the gorilla could make a touchdown almost ever time you gave him the ball.

    ‘Toby’ the gorilla would soon become a sensation, and male sports fans would be dressing their daughters in jungle attire to try to get Toby’s attention.

    • Agree: Dtbb
    • Replies: @Autochthon
    , @Jack D
    , @JMcG
  69. Corn says:
    @Mickey Winton

    Were you introduced to this blog by Tiny or Whiskey?

  70. @Anonymous

    While some folks here may be experts at “woke math” and “woke logic”, it is still a new and arcane art form.

    As with all new arts and sciences, the rules seem to change hourly and the battle over who qualifies as experts is subject to the fog of war–this adds to the confusion.

    The only way to win is not to play….at least until they publish the official “textbook” that explains the logic proofs and has “approved” mathematical formulas.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  71. Anon[965] • Disclaimer says:

    In the CJR article Sonmez is going on about how a #metoo-er’s work is never done and how hard it is to be in the public eye, and then now that she finally was back to a certain degree of anonymity, she had to do that tweet. I guess she wanted more attention.

    Also in that article the sublimely reasonable Caitlin Flanagan, who’s written some wonderfully perceptive stuff for the Atlantic, is quoted as calling Sonmez the hellcat of all hellcats, using hurt feelings to justify sexual assault allegations, and agreeing with characterizations of Sonmez as hysterical, irrational, and punitive.

    So Emily Yoffe and Caitlin Flanagan both think she’s nuts. That’s good enough for me.

  72. nsa says:
    @Mickey Winton

    Timeout from the impeachment farce for an orgy of obscene Negro Worship in the JooMedia for a beloved heroic departed JungleBaller. The groupie testified in court she declined to take it up the butt, but the beloved negro hero JungleBaller used force to do her backdoor anyways against her will. It’s called rape.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  73. Anon[965] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Kobe was a 3-digit IQ guy

    This is pretty funny as praise.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Polynikes
  74. @Anonymous

    Family office run by his son has about 7 billion in assets it seems which is trivial.

    Eh, that money could be parked at 3% per year, which is a return of $210m before taxes, which that return is probably shielded from.

    $210m is more than enough to buy off a ton of DA elections with plenty left over to grow the main stash.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  75. @anon

    Felicia Sonmez made a fatal intersectionality calculation error.
    She assumed that Black Male plus Female Rape Accusation equals #MeToo Moral Outrage.

    Agree on the intersectionality error. But your 2nd sentence needs enhancement for clarity on her error:

    “She assumed that Black Male plus White Female Rape Accusation equals #MeToo Moral Outrage.”

    That’s the issue. Sonmez is talking about some tedious blond Becky who stupidly trusted a black man to behave like a white man and then objects to finding an unwanted black penis inside her. A white woman objecting to a black penis inside her is racist.

    If this had been say a muslim woman or a black woman making the rape accusation, Sonmez dragging it up now wouldn’t be grounds for suspension. But highlighting an accusation from a blond Becky? C’mon!

  76. It’s pretty interesting. I remember how Kobe was viewed by the black community before the rape allegation. He was considered a bit of an Oreo. Growing up in Italy, having an interest in foreign languages, in soccer, speaking a bit too white for some people’s tastes. Nah, that ain’t keepin’ it real. But after the rape case, suddenly the black community loved him. He had violated a white chick and beaten prison. Sales of his jersey soared–he went from 5th to 1st. Suddenly every low IQ chud had to have an 8 or 24 on his back.

    These are the same people harassing this reporter.

  77. songbird says:

    Wow, 2003! That was a long time ago!

    I wonder what happened with, what was it his girlfriend/his fiancee? The one that he had to buy a big diamond ring for, to make up for the embarrassing rape allegations. Was it a good investment? Did he have a passel of children with her?

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  78. Somehow, I know that white men are at fault.

    Well, technically yes. The chopper pilot was a white guy.

    BTW, while looking this stuff up, just to confirm the guy was white (hadn’t read lick one on the web about it, as I explained in my comment under your previous post), I came across the usual bullshit that you get when people who don’t know about a field of endeavor write about it.

    The article said that Mr. Zobayan, was told “he was flying too low”. Bull! It’s not any ATC controller’s job to tell a helicopter pilot that, unless he was on some specific approach or route. He said “you are flying too low for flight following”. That’s a completely different statement, meaning that he couldn’t be kept in radar coverage. That’s not a safety thing in particular.

    Scud-running in an airplane is dangerous, as Mr. McG could tell you. In a helicopter, one can slow way down at least, hell, all the way, in fact. to allow more time to get one’s bearings and find a way to extract oneself from a bad situation. I don’t know if that flight was on an instrument clearance (no, you do NOT have to be on radar to be on one), but, especially if he wasn’t, that busy airspace makes the option of climbing a problem – either bust into airspace and get a violation or pick your way down low. With GPS now, it’s nothing like it was when it was all based on pilotage and dead reckoning.

    As Mom’s are prone to say now (from some TV guru) “Ara made some bad choices.”

    • Replies: @prosa123
  79. MEH 0910 says:

    • Replies: @Abe
    , @Anonymous
  80. And another thing before I wrote a post on my own blog later in the day about it – I have one finger pointed right at commenter ScarletNumber and the other 3 pointing all over the freakin’ place: Nine people being killed is a sad thing. However, just last month a Pilatus PC-12 crashed on initial climb-off of Chamberlain, S. Dakota airport with 9 people killed and the other 3 injured. Shit happens. (In that PC-12 crash, it sounds like the plane had ice on it from freezing rain the day prior – big mistake to take off with the wings not clean.)

    What’s the difference? Is it that this one yesterday involved a basketball player that’s been in the news the last 5 years? Is that because people spend so much time keeping up with this stuff that the TV channels feel justified in making this into a week-long 24-hour infotainment fest? Who supports all that? Oh, yeah, people that spend hours of the day watching the idiot plate. If you pay for cable, you’re supporting them monetarily.

    It was a big family that mostly died in that Platypus that crashed last month, and I’d hazard a guess that they were much more productive members of American society than some sportsball guy.

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
  81. Abe says:
    @MEH 0910

    Why, oh why, can’t they all get cancelled?

  82. J.Ross says:

    Literally named Felicia.
    This event will never completely shake the suspicion that it was confected, even though the riskiness of helicopter travel perfectly explains it.

  83. mmack says:
    @Ano

    “No, she needs to suffer…Really suffer.
    Make her attend and cover the Senate trial.”

    I’m sorry, the Eighth Amendment prohibits “Cruel and Unusual Punishment”.

  84. Nachum says:

    I’m halfway sympathetic to Bryant (groupies* and all that). And looking up this Felicia’s bio on the Post website, I’m not exactly sympathetic to her (or the Post, for that matter). She certainly ticks all the boxes. Most of her recent work seems to be anti-Trump. And I didn’t realize she had her own story.

    But still, I’m reminded of the line (Gertrude Himmelfarb, I think) that “race trumps gender.” “Race,” of course, includes “Muslim.” Of course, now race trumps *fake* gender *and* gender, and fake gender trumps gender. This poor Felicia, of course, doesn’t know that, for obvious reasons.

    These people can’t destroy themselves quick enough.

    *There’s a great line in Tom Wolfe’s “A Man In Full,” in which Fareek Fanon, a black player on Georgia Tech’s football team, is accused of raping (or trying to rape- the story is never really clarified, which is part of the point) the white daughter of a prominent citizen. To defend him, his team tries to enlist the book’s main character, Charlie Croker, a wealthy good ol’ boy who himself played football for Tech forty years earlier. As part of his defense, the white coach, using of course all the PC language we’d expect, says, “But just like there were in your day, there are groupies! And they’re all over you- white groupies, black groupies, Spanish groupies, Asian groupies…isn’t that right, Fareek?”

    Fareek, who is none too bright and not really paying attention, replies, “I dunno. I never saw no Asian groupies.”

    Wolfe, rest his soul, was a genius, especially in describing race.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  85. @Anon

    “but Emily Yoffe I trust”

    Any relation to Jula Ioffe? I wouldn’t trust Julia to tell me the time.

    I must say it does sound as if Ms Somnez rather piled-on once the initial account came out. So I have not a huge amount of sympathy when she falls on the sword she sharpened.

    “Sarve un dom well raight, I say!”

  86. I don’t care about black sports stars — and don’t have much use for celebrity worship.

    But posting the link was in poor taste. Maybe if it was getting on for a week and the eulogizin’ n’ stuff was going on and on and on, but right off?

    The guy just died. Short of him being the Green River Killer, if you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all.

    • Replies: @Alden
  87. Old Prude says:
    @Mr McKenna

    No biggy I know engineering graduates who think Lincoln owned slaves.

    • Replies: @keypusher
  88. @RichardTaylor

    ‘White woman feelings, to be honest, have always been indulged by White men in a way that no other race does.

    ‘It’s amusing, because many White women want to keep playing the victim card but it doesn’t look like POC will let them. At least not the Black ones.’

    Women of Whiteness White women are probably also the most resented group.

    Men of color Colored men resent the fact that they can’t have them, and colored women resent the fact that they can’t be them.

    • Agree: Malcolm X-Lax, JMcG
  89. @Ano

    Make her attend and cover the Senate trial.

    That’s actually her work at the Post. Weird thing in the age of Feminist Journalism, every political article on the Hill has three reporters’ names, always women, from the names you can discern a White, a Black, throw in a Jew or Hispanic for the third. Three-Name By-Lines. Somnez doesn’t write independently of on anything. All the print forums say she’s a real Hellcat as regards sexual harassment, too, another reason to get her out of there. She gave them the perfect excuse.

    She criticized Black Jesus Kobe. She’s through. The ultimate Becky.

    Hey Steve Sailer, is Sonmez a Becky of sorts? Fair take?

  90. Anonymous[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @MEH 0910

    Who the f*ck uses their real names/emails when contacting these miscreants? They deserve to be cancelled.

  91. eric says:

    The author should have consulted her pokemon points manual before writing that. The OJ trial showed race trumps gender. [and, speaking well of the recently deceased is a decent thing to do]

  92. Art Deco says:
    @anon

    Her actual error was manifesting a capacity for tastelessness that most of us shoot for only in vain. The man and his daughter just died. Not the time to pretend the shabbiest thing he’d ever done was the most salient thing he’d ever done. Not really the time to offer an inventory of his life at all. At least wait for him to be buried.

  93. Art Deco says:
    @Father O'Hara

    Or maybe the woman’s a grifter lying her tuchus off. There’s a reason the prosecutor abandoned the case.

  94. Art Deco says:
    @JimDandy

    He was guilty of adultery, sexual deviance, and general licentiousness. There’s no reason to believe his accuser or Felicia Whatsherface has a categorical objection to any of these things (as opposed to manifestations of these things which call their own self-concept into question, to which the reaction is ‘he took advantage of me’)

  95. I can hardly wait until the MLK FBI files are released in 2027. My guess is that if they do get released, there will be a similar suppression to make sure their are no flies on his legacy. This is a dress rehearsal.

  96. @Art Deco

    Her actual error was manifesting a capacity for tastelessness that most of us shoot for only in vain.

    Her head was probably swollen after she was rewarded with the position at the WP following her #MeToo, “ordeal.”

    Thus, she decided to fly too close to the intersectional sun.

    Bye, Felicia!

  97. Lagertha says:
    @Percy Gryce

    And, the Virginia duplicitous Democrats just inadvertently, chummed the waters with their gun confiscation nonsense! – not to mention their phony worries about riots; disappointment that the Deplorables behaved must have caused serious consternation!

    Black faces and rape cases will tar and feather Democrats/Progressives in due time. They’re going to need a bigger boat. People, especially socialists…well, sociopaths, liars, snobs always overreach. Just look at Clinton baiting Tulsi and getting bit on that large ass. It is backfire season, for sure. It’s sort of enjoyable to watch the destruction.

  98. @XYZ (no Mr.)

    Felicia Sonmez certainly believed a white man was at fault when she engaged in her own pathetic metoo saga a couple of years ago

    Well… “Jon Kaiman” sure sounds like a name that is far more common among “Fellow White Men” than among White men…

  99. @Jake

    The Yankee WASP made the Negro Numinous as the central feature in its waging culture war against non-WASP whites.

    Oh please.

    That’s why this negro thing reached is just reaching it’s peak insanity now, when the WASPs after all those years in the wilderness are finally in charge of America.

    • Replies: @Jake
  100. @Art Deco

    NYT got away with doing it to Wyche a couple weeks ago. She was just off on the totem pole.

    She mistook Kobe for an arriviste like Ray Rice. Kobe was to the manor born.

  101. @Anon

    All I know is that I’ve never heard of Sonmez, but Emily Yoffe I trust.

    Exactly. If there’s anyone you can definitely trust, it’s a yenta advice columnist. Especially when she’s engaged in a spirited ethnonarcissistic defense of a Fellow White Person like Jon Kaiman…

    Excellent point.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @ScarletNumber
  102. SteveM says:

    Evidently Kobe Bryant was a practicing Catholic who attempted to work through the moral and spiritual implications of that incident:

    https://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/kobe-bryant

    Kobe Bryant was a thoughtful man at this point in his life, active in social service charities with his wife and a dedicated father. Taking cheap shots at him now for culture war reasons is pointless.

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  103. Steve, O/T but meet the newest “next big thing” Latina who is really white…hilarious. I mean, she is sooooo ethnic, I totally would know, as would anyone, that she is a person of color, Latina, Hispanic…exotic “otherness”…It’s very obvious.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/meet-latina-hoping-do-texas-what-beto-o-rourke-failed-n1119961

    Gota laugh at her reference to “Anglo” in light of the fact that she admits her father is of Irish heritage. The same people who get angry if you confuse a Mexican and a Salvadoran have no problems conflating the Celtic people with the Germanic Anglo (Saxons) of whom they have been at war or odds with for hundreds of years, in Ireland and Scotland.

    smh.

  104. Jake says:
    @AnotherDad

    I assume you think that Reconstruction never happened. Or that it and Abolitionism were invented by Irish or Polish Catholics. Or maybe the redneck Scots-Iirsh invented it, alongside Irish Catholics, so they could harm the Boston Brahmins.

    The Negro was made Numinous by Yankee WASPs in the 19th century. The purpose was to use people they felt could never harm them as weapons against whites they hated or feared. The game has ebbed and flowed. Today it is at a peak. And that peak still is not about tearing down statues of pure blood New England Anglo-Saxon Puritans or their pure blood Anglo-Saxon Unitarian and Universalist descendants. That peak never has been and never will be about tearing down that quintessential WASP heresy Quakerism.

    • Disagree: ben tillman
  105. Jake says:
    @SteveM

    “Evidently Kobe Bryant was a practicing Catholic who attempted to work through the moral and spiritual implications of that incident:”

    That sounds like something Pope Francis would say when a filthy rich man has brutally raped and refused to acknowledge it, allowing those who speak for him to sing his innocence and charge those who doubt his innocence with racism.

  106. @Jake

    The Yankee WASP made the Negro Numinous as the central feature in its waging culture war against non-WASP whites.

    The “Yankee WASP” didn’t come up with minstrel shows, coon tunes, ragtime, jazz, rock-and-roll, R&B, blue-eyed soul, and whatever’s coming out next week. I challenge you to name a single Yankee WASP rock star. In 65 years of the genre.

    Basketball and football were indeed invented in Massachusetts, but by Canadians, not the locals. Nobody forced the Southland to take these up– there were always field hockey, cricket, rugby, or polo. Or invent your own.*

    Instead, they chose a stream where the old color line was serving as a dam. Which broke.

    *Now there’s a novel idea. What sports have been invented in Dixie, other than stock-car racing, by moonshiners?

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
  107. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Yes, but @altright was mentioning market moving sums needed to tank the indexes. Thats not the case for soros, or really anyone else anymore. Apple alone is worth 1300 billion dollars.

    You can be certain his family office is earning more than 3% a year, although it way underperforms the market as with most hedge funds.

  108. Jesse says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Oh, sure. But the fact remains that the men who get all teary about women being meeeeeaaaan to them have no issue with telling women facing risk that they shouldn’t get into the situations in the first place. Fine, but it works both ways.

    (BTW, you sound like an SJW. Maybe look into that.)

    Perhaps the only way to prevent any and all danger from other people is to live as a cloistered monk on a desolate mountaintop.

    And that’s the problem. If you regard telling men that sex with strangers is dangerous, then you need to take a vow to stay silent the next time a woman hooks up with a stranger and gets hurt.

  109. Felicia and that chick with MSNBC who mangled her words to (very vaguely) sound like she was using the “N word” are getting a lesson in the intersectional/woke pecking order.

    We all know of the horror faced by German women during the onslaught of the Red Army in 1945. One response was to cling to Red Army officers for protection from the lower ranking Mongolians. They also threw their own men, what was left of them, under the bus because these men were now losers. It was all about survival. I suppose Stockholm Syndrome and the behavior of Patty Hearst is similar: She went from kidnapping victim to enthusiastic participant in the SLA.

    These gals saw the weak and emasculated nature of so many white men and cast their lot with the Colored Team. Now Becky is getting a lesson in just how much these women of color despise them.

  110. @Jake

    The Negro was made Numinous…

    …by descendants of the folks who first allowed them in the country in 1619– when “Yankees” were still in lilywhite Holland.

    God put them there. Men who thought themselves smarter than God put them here.

    their pure blood Anglo-Saxon

    You seem to have a problem with “pure blood”. Relax. Yours probably isn’t.

    Or that it and Abolitionism were invented by Irish or Polish Catholics.

    Abolition was the baby of Englishmen– in England. New England was a branch office, at best. The American Colonization Society was more popular, but was stymied by crackers.

    Reconstruction was the foolish attempt to reattach a severed cancerous limb. One of the great follies of history. The free states were 98% white. They had a chance to stay that way.

    • Replies: @captflee
  111. Neoconned says:

    https://www.vox.com/2019/9/19/20873224/bernie-sanders-housing-for-all

    OT: Bernie has some interesting views on rent control. However his central thesis fails to notice the dramatic recent decline in the construction laborer workforce….which really is the reason housing costs are going up….

    He also points out quasi race related NIMBY type zoning laws….which ironically if you open them up to new public housing construction you’d probably hose California worse than any other state.

    They say that like in Vancouver…..hot money from China and Asia is propping up the housing markets in places like L.A., Bay Area, San Diego, Seattle etc….watch that hot money evaporate if Quanisha and Tre’tavius move in 2 blocks from Chin or Patels OC condo high rise.

    Property values could plummet and places like Sydney and New Zealand will only get hotter….

    The big issue w the American real estate construction market though is a lack of labor. Those older black and white laborers who were forcibly retired in the 2000s by the Latino scab laborers have all now either died, retired or moved on to other trades. What latinos that didnt make their cash & go back home now charge more for their once cut rate but still fly by night cheap construction services….

    • Replies: @anon
  112. J.Ross says:
    @Nachum

    >inarticulate black sportsball hero’s wretched last name is Fanon
    heh, I understood that reference.

    • Replies: @Nachum
  113. @Jake

    Yes, but at least one of my WASP cousin’s statues is in danger of being, if not torn down, at least removed: Senator John James Ingalls of Kansas.

    Kansas was founded as a free state, and was populated by New England anti-slavers of the most fanatical sort. Ingall’s predecessor, Senator Samuel Clarke Pomeroy (also a close relation) was suitably anti-slavery but soon took to thinking more of his pocket book than his Yankee soul. He was accused of bribery, and did not find himself re-elected to the Senate. He stayed on in Washington DC however and allowed his contacts to make him ever richer.

    Ingalls did so well that he ended up with a statue in the Capitol under the dome. Fast forward a century and he now finds himself in danger of removal as a dead white male. The talked of replacement? Amelia Earhart.

    Hasn’t happened yet though. Perhaps the replacers have noticed that she too was white.

  114. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Jake

    No. Puritan-descended Anglos waged the war on genuine moral universalist grounds. The numinous negro is just another in a long line of their sacralized types.

    Another ethny has tarted and turboed it up and is using it to displace whites generally and, in particular, those same Yankee elite schmucks. Your take is–forgive me–timid and a little chickenshit.

    Kevin MacDonald’s latest book is very good on the subject.

  115. prosa123 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The chopper pilot was a white guy.

    From his name he sounds Armenian, and as far as I know Armenians are classified as nonwhite in California.

  116. @Reg Cæsar

    The “Yankee WASP” didn’t come up with minstrel shows

    No? Who did?

    The earliest minstrel performer I can come up with was Thomas Dartmouth Rice:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_D._Rice

    He appears to have been what we now call WASP.

  117. keypusher says:
    @Old Prude

    For some reason that reminded me of the Idiocracy line — “My ex-wife was a ‘tard. She’s a pilot now.”

  118. Abe says:
    @anon

    Felicia Sonmez made a fatal intersectionality calculation error.

    She was speeding through a dangerous intersectionality but forgot to keep checking her privilege-o-meter for redlining (authorities think it was 4000 FDR’s at time of impact). Hopefully this will be a warning to others not to buy vehicles with the problematic invisible trunkspace option and pay a bit extra on the 4 gender cis-spension.

    • LOL: Jack D
  119. anon[515] • Disclaimer says:
    @Neoconned

    He also points out quasi race related NIMBY type zoning laws…

    Attacking common sense zoning ordinances is the new front in forcing YT to integrate. This is just an extension of Obama’s housing policy including using Section 8 for block busting. This particular old Jewish Communist is just following Party policy, that’s all.

    If you don’t want a 5 story apartment complex full of Section 8 dropped into your neighborhood U R rayciss, and your zoning won’t save you from the authoriteh of diversiteh.

  120. @El Dato

    STEM.

    You mean so people of whatever make can rape the universe.

    Oh, good.

    • Replies: @anon
  121. captflee says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Regarding the folly of the various Reconstructions, the third of which y’all outside poor, benighted Dixie are now, to my considerable amusement, experiencing along with us, the perpetually guilty, I must agree.

    That said, while I can conceive of some of those of the North allowing their errant cousins to go free, you must surely realize that the overwhelming majority would never allow it, being against their deeply atavistic truest nature to ever allow anyone, in any place and at any time, to live in a manner other than the one they themselves prescribe at a given moment. With the South prostrate at its feet, the central government could have repatriated the vast majority of Africans, but chose not to, deciding instead to transform for some decades the recently murdered republic into a largely one party state, with the emancipated slaves playing for the Republican party the part now played for the Donks by those lovely folks presently immivading us. Or, God forbid, some manner of antebellum compensated emancipation, with the attendant lack of casus belli thus depriving God’s Elect of the manifold joys of swinging that terrible swift sword, not to mention the rather more mundane, though far more common, carrying away of the family plate and molestation of the help.

    Having toiled decades in a largely New England dominated industry, I believe I can state without fear of honest disagreement, that there has not yet been a situation in which the intervention of New Englanders has not immeasurably worsened things for all and sundry. It’s a superpower!

    Mr. Evans agrees:

  122. Nachum says:
    @J.Ross

    Oh! I didn’t think of that.

  123. Latest news is that the helicopter crashed into a hill at over 100 MPH. I envision Kobe yelling at the pilot to hurry up and get there.

  124. guest says:

    Mr. Bryant was known for two things: basketball and alleged rape. And what Woke Journalist who doesn’t also happen to be a sports journalist cares about basketball? Not counting when some owner is caught on tape !among a slavery joke or a team starts more than two white players.

  125. @anon

    As black feminists who supported OJ even though they knew he was a double murderer explained to their white sisters: Race trumps gender.

    I would add, but not for white feminists.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  126. @Anonymous

    Not considering people of color communities (communities of color) has always been one of my blind spots. I’m also on the fence about black lives mattering.

  127. Anonymous[225] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    According to the CJR column/op-ed it got somehow more traumatic for Somnez after Caitlin Flanagan went on a radio show & put her on blast. The CJR editorialist’s view seems to be that no one can legitimately gainsay a MeToo reporterette, while stopping short of advocating Stasi priority response against anyone with temerity to do so. How long can Mary Tyler Moore-style journalism last when the cancer of female office politics is this advanced? They say STEM is incompatible with neo-corporate HR manner-minding but that goes doubly so for the chatty/interpersonal professions

    Meanwhile the battalions of St. Jock seem to be flagging in the past few hours of Trending-War. I wager the WaPo brass is gonna be groveling by this time tomorrow

  128. @Jane Plain

    The earliest minstrel performer I can come up with was Thomas Dartmouth Rice:

    He appears to have been what we now call WASP.

    Hardly makes him a Yankee. Even if he was, his family would have been a misfit, renegade one, kind of like Obama’s (rare) Yankee ancestor Jonathan Singletary/Dunham.

    From a more thorough biographies than Wikipedia’s:

    The performer who made Jim Crow Jim Crow was a Caucasian. Born in 1808, Thomas Dartmouth Rice, a furniture maker’s son, grew up in lower Manhattan near the East River docks. In his racially mixed working-class neighborhood, young Rice likely would have attended traveling shows that were staged in the saloons which in that era often doubled as theaters in New York and around the country.

    https://www.historynet.com/as-american-as-jim-crow.htm

    Father: John Rice (sailor)

    https://www.nndb.com/people/275/000203663/

    …he frequently told stories of George Washington, who he claimed had been a friend of his father.

    https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Thomas_D._Rice

  129. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:

    Society strongly stereotypes white men as the main perps of sex crimes, most whites don’t see black and other non-white rapists as such a big deal and don’t see their crimes in the same context as they would regard a white man committing the same crimes.

    If a white celebrity had been accused of the same thing he would have probably gone to prison for a long time and would be regarded as scum of the earth by the public and would certainly never work again, whereas if it’s a black man people just dismiss it as not really a big deal.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    , @danand
  130. @Jane Plain

    OK, fine but I don’t know what you mean by saying that Yankee WASP’s didn’t come up with minstrel shows. Who did?

  131. Anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jane Plain

    I find the term “WASP” odd considering most Anglo-Saxons are not Protestants, they are traditionally Anglicans which is basically Catholicism without the Pope, not Protestant. The only real Protestant church in Britain is the Church of Scotland and they would certainly not regard the Church of England as a fellow Protestant church.

  132. @Anonymous

    Don’t blame me, I didn’t make it up!

  133. anon[515] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    STEM.
    You mean so people of whatever make can rape the universe.
    Oh, good.

    Lol.

  134. The appropriate way for the news to cover this would be to do a 5 minute blurb on his life and then go back to the regularly scheduled programming with the occasional news update. Instead, from what I saw, it was nonstop Kobe all day. You run out of things to say about someone, even someone important, but when you get down to it, the only thing Kobe could do is shoot a basketball.

  135. Anon[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @James Forrestal

    And you forgot her guinea pig column, where she became a nudist and do on. I know her full history. But her Title IV stuff convinced me she is a fearless reporter. Those are well reported out, investigative, and involved lots of interviews. The one where she tracked down the ditzy woman behind the nutty theory of toxic immobility is gold. She took so much shit on Twitter for these pieces.

  136. @Jane Plain

    The earliest minstrel performer I can come up with was Thomas Dartmouth Rice:

    He appears to have been what we now call WASP.

    Exactly. What’s not so well known is that this traditional WASP dominance of minstrelsy continued into the post-War Between the States period, and that the cultural hegemony of so-called White minstrel supremacy continued well into the 1900s.

    As the renowned WASP historian Dr. Jeffrey Melnick

    has famously noted, WASPs of that era played “a major role in the manufacture of the racial stereotypes on which American popular culture depended.”
    Blackface and a singing style pioneered by WASPs known as “coon shouting” were mainstays of WASP entertainment in the latter part of the 19th century and into the early decades of the 20th century, with their most popular performers, like Eddie Cantor, Sophie Tucker, Al Jolson, Irving Berlin, George Burns, and Florenz Ziegfeld, using Black-race mockery as a dominant theme.

    And of course, this WASP stranglehold on minstrelsy extended into film as well. Who could forget the archetypal epic of the WASP experience in America, The Jazz Singer, featuring notorious WASP Al Y̶o̶e̶l̶s̶o̶n̶ Jolson as the protagonist, a character with the characteristically-WASPish name “Jakie Rabinowitz.” The movie was produced, of course, by Darryl “Uber-WASP” Zanuck, with a score written by Louis Silvers (surnames based on precious metals and gems are a longstanding WASP tradition). It was directed by Alan Crosland (yet another WASP), with a screenplay written by Alfred A. Cohn (whose surname appears to indicate that he traces his lineage to the traditional Druid priestly caste of ancient WASPland)…

  137. @Anonymous

    Ghislaine Noelle Maxwell, private pilot rotorcraft helicopter. Noelle? Along with Christopher and Natalie, Noel or derivations thereof are considered Specifically Not Jewish.

    Natalie “specifically not Jewish”? More than 3% of the Natalies in this country are Jewish. A full 50% of the Noels I have known (n =2) are Jewish.

  138. Alden says:
    @Altai

    There was so much blood his underwear shirt and pants were smeared with her blood.

  139. @Anonymous

    Society strongly stereotypes white men as the main perps of sex crimes, most whites don’t see black and other non-white rapists as such a big deal and don’t see their crimes in the same context as they would regard a white man committing the same crimes.

    Ridiculous. Most whites think of blacks as vastly overrepresented in sex crimes though not having anything close to a monopoly.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Jack D
  140. Alden says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Another misogynist women hating POS man of UNZ who can’t get laid and chooses to display his sexual and mental health problems on this site.

    Every demographic in the world hates White women and is jealous because we’re the most beautiful, highest earning and have the best men (White) in the world.

    Some of the misogynist women hating men of UNZ must be mud men who hate us because they can’t have us. Or else the misogynist women haters of UNZ are ugly obese black women.

    Whatever you are, Richard Taylor, you are a piece of shit. You’re so ugly creepy and disgusting no White women will have you. That’s your personal problem Why post your personal problems on this site?

    Word must have spread amongst the ugly creep misogynist women haters community that UNZ is a forum for their views. So be it.

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • LOL: Truth
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Jim Don Bob
  141. Alden says:
    @ben tillman

    I was a probation officer for 27 years. For most of that time I had the rape case load. There may have been a White convicted rapist among them.

    But I cannot remember one rapist that was not black. County had about half a million population 10/11 percent black. This means the 5% black men committed all the rapes.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  142. @Reg Cæsar

    The fact that this interpretation of black letter law was 5-4 is a huge tell that our current system of governance where high mandarins call the shots is deeply unstable, but you should already know that.

  143. @Anonymous

    I find the term “WASP” odd considering most Anglo-Saxons are not Protestants, they are traditionally Anglicans which is basically Catholicism without the Pope, not Protestant.

    Naw, they’re just trying to have their cake and eat it too

    …the Elizabethan Settlement charted a course enabling the English church to describe itself as both catholic and reformed:

    catholic in that it views itself as a part of the universal church of Jesus Christ in unbroken continuity with the early apostolic church. This is expressed in its emphasis on the teachings of the early Church Fathers, as formalised in the Apostles’, Nicene, and Athanasian creeds.

    reformed in that it has been shaped by some of the doctrinal principles of the 16th-century Protestant Reformation, in particular in the Thirty-Nine Articles of Religion and the Book of Common Prayer.[10]

    See also:

    The Church of England declared its independence from the Catholic Church at the time of the Elizabethan Religious Settlement.[81] Many of the new Anglican formularies of the mid-16th century corresponded closely to those of contemporary Reformed [i.e Protestant] tradition. These reforms were understood by one of those most responsible for them, the then Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Cranmer, as navigating a middle way between two of the emerging Protestant traditions, namely Lutheranism and Calvinism

    And this.

    Henry VIII just wanted an annulment, and didn’t really intend to change the church much otherwise, but his theologians? Different story.

    Note the small “c” in the first quote. Sure, the Church of England is “catholic” in the sense that it sees itself as “universal” — but the Catholic and Orthodox churches are “episcopal” in a similar sense… because they have bishops.

    • Replies: @Alden
  144. gregor says:
    @anon

    To be fair, the narratives on the far right can also get muddled and contradictory on these sorts of cases. The heuristic seems to be that #metoo is BS … unless the guy is Black or Jewish. There is a similar confusion with how to repond to Kobe’s death. Is it okay to lament the passing of a talented athlete, or must we remain aloof since he was Black and “sportsball” is part of the kosher plot of mass media distraction?

  145. Hail says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer

    Kobe was a 3-digit IQ guy

    He was reported to have gotten a 1080 SAT score, I believe shortly after the test reform that went into effect in April 1995. (He turned 17 in Aug. 1995.)

    A post-April-’95 SAT score of 1080, per PumpkinPerson’s SAT-to-IQ conversion table, is IQ 108.

    Given that the SAT is not a precise IQ test, given its good but not perfect correlation, and given that some people test well (Ivy Leaguers’ measured IQs are usually at least a standard deviation above their stratospheric SAT scores would predict; i.e., they test well), we can still put a reasonable lower-bound on K.Bryant’s IQ in the low-100s.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
  146. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous

    I find the term “WASP” odd considering most Anglo-Saxons are not Protestants, they are traditionally Anglicans which is basically Catholicism without the Pope,

    They are a sect which rejects the Church. Nor are they schismatics like the Orthodox and non-Chalcedonian bodies, because their holy orders are invalid. They are a liturgical body, as are the Lutherans and ‘Old Catholics’. They remain, nevertheless a protestant liturgical body.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @Hail
  147. @Rurik

    As Gordon Ramsay mutters when a hack botches things in a way that makes him, as a professional chef, wince: “Oh dear oh dear oh dear.”

    Please indulge me in some wincing on behalf of lawyers everywhere.

    Your account makes no sense. A public statement that the sexual intercourse “was not consensual” is an admission against one’s own interest (and therefore admissible hearsay) and a confession of guilt.

    It’s staggering how many otherwise sensible people seem to believe this or that victim does or does not “press charges” and thereby determines whether a prosecution proceeds. Sure, in practical terms, cases wherein the victim’s testimony is required for any hope of a conviction, a victim’s refusal to cooperate with prosecutors all but ensures a hopeless effort, so the prosecutors won’t waste time on that effort (i.e., they won’t “press charges”) and this is the origin of the concept and its misunderstood place in the popular mind.

    Prosecutors – not victims, witnesses, or anyone else – decide whether or not to prosecute suspects. And if they deem the crime serious enough (and most prosecutors consider rape pretty damned serious, because not considering it serious is no way to get re-elected), and if sufficient evidence exists – like the victim’s blood all over the suspect, the suspect’s semen in the victim’s orifices, injuries to the victim’s genitalia a physician can expertly testify are consistent with rape and almost always only occur during rapes, and the suspect’s public confession to having committed the crime – a case becomes much more likely to be brought and even to lead to conviction, even with the admittedly strong handicap of an uncooperative, critical witness (here, the victim).

    For these reasons I am very skeptical the guy actually publicly admitted the sex was not consensual. (Though I believe it entirely likely he effectively convinced the victim, or, rather, his lawyers did, that if she recanted and refused to cooperate with any prosecution she would be made a very rich woman in any civil action she chose to file, and that that offer – or some very similar arrangement – was honoured by both parties.)

    (I’ll be right back.)

    And lo! two minutes’ research confirms what actually happened is that the prosecutors had no hope because no confession was made; they needed the victim to testify to have any chance of a conviction:

    The victim has informed us, after much of her own labored deliberation, that she does not want to proceed with this trial,” Mr. Hurlbert said. “For this reason, and this reason only, the case is being dismissed.”

    Here is what the rapist actually did say (emphasis mine) – which exactly supports my analysis.

    Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did,” he said in a statement read in court by his lawyer Pamela Mackey. “After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter. I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this case ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me will go forward.”

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @Anon
  148. Alden says:
    @Anonymous

    The word WASP was created about 100 years ago by Russian and polish Jewish communist immigrants. Just 20 years out of the ghetto sheltls of E Europe, they were totally ignorant of either the goyim or different Christian denominations

    The word was created as pejorative insult against old stock White Americans The communist Jews hoped to set British descended Protestants against German Hungarian Scots Scandinavian Protestants and Catholics against Protestants.

    I understand what you mean that the CofE is a Catholic Church not in communion with the Pope. But it’s a complicated, arcane convoluted concept. Most think the simple sensible way; in communion with and under the jurisdiction of Rome and the Pope Catholic

    Not in communion with Rome and under the jurisdiction of the Pope, Protestant. No Pope not Catholic . Therefore the CofE isn’t Catholic

    Jewish communists also think all blue eyed Americans are WASPs German Hungarian Scandinavian Irish Scots Austrian Swiss all N European Americans are Anglo Saxons.

    Strange that the highest IQ ( lol) demographic in the world can be so ignorant about the goyim cattle.

  149. Alden says:
    @Colin Wright

    I tend to agree with you. The rape case was about 20 years ago. There’s been no other scandals. 9 people died. No reason to bring up an old scandal.

    I was with about 25 family members. Just one person mentioned it. A 15 yr old who follows news on the internet and just told me and her brother. Brother said not a word. No TV hook ups in any of our houses. Just internet and Netflix Hulu etc. I don’t think of the men know or care.

    So not everyone in the country is obsessed with a guy tall enough to dump a ball through a ring 4 inches above his head. Of course we are non conformists, dissidents outliers.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  150. Alden says:
    @James Forrestal

    It’s not something I worry about, but how can the Church of England be universal when it calls itself Church of England?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  151. Hail says: • Website
    @Art Deco

    They [Anglicans] are a sect which rejects the Church

    [Troll].

    They remain, nevertheless a protestant liturgical body.

    The Church of England is definitely in the Protestant family for all sorts of reasons.

    _____________

    This subthread was started by a possible troll, or ignorant person, who said:

    most Anglo-Saxons are not Protestants, they are traditionally Anglicans

    I hope this person is not an American because this is embarrassingly ignorant if it was meant by an American (or by someone who claims familiarity with America; say a Hindu immigrant in New Jersey or the like) in reference to the US context (where ‘WASP’ was coined and applies).

  152. @Alden

    Not in communion with Rome and under the jurisdiction of the Pope, Protestant.

    Nonsense; by these criteria the Eastern Orthodox, Coptic, Syrian Rite, and other such churches not under the Roman Pope’s authority are “Protestant.” Since many of them are as old or older than the church in Rome, what or whom are they protesting against, then…?

  153. kihowi says:

    I don’t get the problem. If he’s a rapist, he’s a rapist, and that can be said at any time, even when he’s dead.

    Hey, do you think when Michael Richards dies, they’ll omit mentioning a certain episode? Out of good taste? Heh.

    It’s a religious reflex. Not so much “respect the dead” as “don’t take the Lord’s name in vain, especially during Christmas”.

  154. @Alden

    How can the Roman Catholic Church be catholic when it calls itself the Roman Catholic Church?

    Why do we drive on parkways and park in driveways?

    Life is mysterious….

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Joe Schmoe
  155. @James Forrestal

    ‘… were mainstays of WASP entertainment in the latter part of the 19th century and into the early decades of the 20th century, with their most popular performers, like Eddie Cantor, Sophie Tucker, Al Jolson, Irving Berlin, George Burns, and Florenz Ziegfeld, using Black-race mockery as a dominant theme…’

    WASP? At least two of those names you just listed belonged to Jews.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    , @Colin Wright
  156. @Colin Wright

    Pshaw! The real mainstay of “W*A*S*P Entertainment” was Blackie Lawless!

    (Even if he is starting to look a bit like your gran!)

  157. Polynikes says:
    @Anon

    Only if you’re unfamiliar with this blog. He noticeably stood out amongst his nba peers in this regard. He honestly seemed to despise them for their stupidity and sheltered (in the ghetto) outlook on life compared to his. Thus, you get quotes like the one in the article.

    Other guys like Robinson, Duncan, Shane Battier, and Nash who we’re smart (for athletes, at least) didn’t seem to outwardly show Kobe’s disdain for their teammates, but they also didn’t associate with them much. The exception might be the understated Duncan who had mostly Euro teammates by the end of his career.

  158. danand says:
    @Anonymous

    “whereas if it’s a black man people just dismiss it as not really a big deal.”

    #321, you could be right for many cases, but one black man did just get 25 years:

    “NICKI MINAJ’S BROTHER GETS 25 TO LIFE FOR CHILD RAPE”

    brp

    nick

    His victim was his 11 yr old stepdaughter.

  159. Polynikes says:
    @Hail

    If ivy leaguers “test well” you would expect their SAT scores to reflect a higher IQ than what they would get on a straight IQ test.

    • Replies: @Hail
  160. Art Deco says:
    @Alden

    The word WASP was created about 100 years ago by Russian and polish Jewish communist immigrants.

    Which one?

  161. Art Deco says:
    @Autochthon

    It calls itself the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. “Roman” would be the rite. There is also the Byzantine rite, the West Syrian rite, the Alexandrian rite, the East Syrian rite, and the Armenian rite. About 97% of adherents are of the Roman rite, 3% of one of the Eastern rites.

  162. @Jake

    Yankee WASPs are not leading the attack on whites, nor are they exempt from its effects. They fought for immigration restriction in 1924, and the thing that has changed since then is that they have lost 90% of their power to a genuinely hostile competing group..

  163. @Art Deco

    Her actual error was manifesting a capacity for tastelessness that most of us shoot for only in vain. The man and his daughter just died. Not the time to pretend the shabbiest thing he’d ever done was the most salient thing he’d ever done

    You couldn’t be more wrong. When he is receiving tasteless over-the-top veneration that ignores this important fact, one has a duty to balance things out.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  164. @Colin Wright

    Edit: it turns out four of the five are Jewish.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  165. @James Forrestal

    What are you talking about? You linked to an article about Margo Howard, who is the daughter of Ann Landers and the ex-wife of the late Ken Howard. Emily Yoffe is a different person, although both wrote under the name Dear Prudence at one time.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  166. MBlanc46 says:
    @Mr McKenna

    And here I was thinking that those would be great to use on the Wokesters when our day comes.

  167. @ScarletNumber

    Who cares? Instead of using up all your [Troll]s in one place, Scarlet, why don’t you explain why you think this Kobe Bryant story is so damn important. Explain why I should give a rat’s ass. You may convince me to go sign up for Cable TV .. hahaha

    hahaahaaaa!

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
  168. Hail says: • Website
    @Polynikes

    If ivy leaguers “test well” you would expect their SAT scores to reflect a higher IQ than what they would get on a straight IQ test.

    Yes, exactly right. Sorry. It should have read:

    Ivy Leaguers’ measured IQs are usually at least a standard deviation BELOW their stratospheric SAT scores would predict

    In one study of this kind, they gave formal IQ tests to Harvard students in the 1980s and the mean IQ was 122, but the mean SAT scores of the same set of people were in a sky-high percentile equating to an IQ of 143 by straight-conversion.

    The SAT overpredicted the Harvard students’ IQs by 1.4 standard deviations.

    This applies to most sky-high SAT scores. Within the Black student pool, Kobe’s 1080 is also very good, so maybe he tested above his ability; but even so, the chance his true IQ would be over 100 seems just about certain.

  169. @Colin Wright

    Read his entire post again, and maybe you’ll get the joke.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  170. Art Deco says:
    @ben tillman

    When he is receiving tasteless over-the-top veneration that ignores this important fact, one has a duty to balance things out.

    One has such a duty only in the mind of assholes. That aside, what’s been the effect of her ‘evening things out’? She didn’t change anyone’s mind about Bryant, she just made herself look like a vicious ass. Rhetorical talent. Great stuff she hasn’t got.

  171. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Julee Cruise is a pretty fascinating case. She has that “sexy alien” appearance (or did in her youth-she’s been an underground star for maybe thirty years), sort of Marilynesque, but where MM had that long face in pictures it was because she’d mastered the art of having her jaw open with her lips closed. Cruise has that triangular jaw shape and big head tapering down naturally.

    As a singer, she’s the opposite of the “BJ Backjaw” phenomenon, with jawlines that come down in bck and the bottom of the jaw levels out. She does not have much power or depth, having an ethereal light voice, but effective tone production: she effectively does what he does, but is not very versatile.

    I suspect she is bullshitting about her flying experience:

    I read somewhere that you’re also a pilot. When did you get into that?

    I’ve been flying since I was 16. It’s easy once you’ve studied clouds, the atmosphere, and what to do just in case. I’m a good pilot in situations that are really dangerous. I like those; I like to drive 120 miles an hour.

    My dad used to take us up to the Arctic Circle in his plane when I was little. He died when he was 51. That night he passed, I flew by myself up to Minneapolis in my Piper Cub that Dad gave me. We have our own great graveyard there… But I’m not gonna get buried. I’m going to have my ashes mixed in with my dogs. They’re gonna spread my ashes across Arizona, and Arizona is going to turn blue. It’s not gonna be a red state anymore.

    https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/julee-cruise-is-not-to-be-messed-with-interview/

    A couple of tells here, but I don’t want to give them away.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    , @JMcG
  172. Art Deco says:
    @ScarletNumber

    You linked to an article about Margo Howard, who is the daughter of Ann Landers

    And a cobbler’s child with no shoes. She’s on her 4th marriage (if he’s still around), writing under a byline derived from her 3d marriage. He only sibling was the issue of her father’s 2d marriage and is about 35 years her junior. She had four maternal-side cousins. One died in 1955; MH might have been on speaking terms with one of the three remaining in the years after her mother died.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  173. @MikeatMikedotMike

    ‘Read his entire post again, and maybe you’ll get the joke.’

    Yeah. I eventually caught on, but by then it was too late to delete my posts.

  174. @Alden

    Jewish communists also think all blue eyed Americans are WASPs German Hungarian Scandinavian Irish Scots Austrian Swiss all N European Americans are Anglo Saxons.

    Well, plenty of Germans are Saxons. There are three German states that bear the name: Sachsen, Niedersachsen, and Sachsen Anhalt.

  175. @Autochthon

    How can the Roman Catholic Church be catholic when it calls itself the Roman Catholic Church?

    Does it call itself the Roman Catholic Church?

    I thought they called it the Holy Catholic Church.

    anyway

    Others do consider themselves Catholic in the sense of the Nicene Creed. The Church is the people in it, that is, the believers. The church is not just the priests and administrators. The priests etc. are the servants of the Word and the Church (the believers).

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  176. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Star Trek has an interesting relationship with real aviation. Gene (Eugene W.) Roddenberry was a working airline pilot after WWII, and there are a few Roddenberrys in there, but Nimoy and Shatner are surnames with only one entry each, for Leonard and William.

    https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/

    Last Name: nimoy

    Search Results
    Horizontal Vertical
    Close Search Results Section
    Total names found is 1 based on the search criteria provided above.
    LEONARD NIMOY
    Personal Information

    LEONARD NIMOY

    Airman opted-out of releasing address
    Medical Information:
    Medical Class: Third Medical Date: 12/1980
    MUST WEAR CORRECTIVE LENSES.
    BasicMed Course Date: None BasicMed CMEC Date: None
    Certificates
    PRIVATE PILOT

    Certificates Description
    Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT
    Date of Issue: 9/21/1972

    Ratings:
    PRIVATE PILOT
    AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND
    INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE

    I’m throwing this out as an example because he’s dead, so no privacy concerns here.

    Entertainers are hard to track because they may be licensed under their real or SAG/Equity names and if female under a maiden or any married name. Last name and DOB seem to be the most effective, if known.

  177. Evocatus says:
    @duncsbaby

  178. @Malcolm X-Lax

    Actually it kinda does for white feminists as well. Seldom do you see the white feminist leadership go to bat for black women. That’s been one of the chief complaints made by black women, namely, that the women’s movement, feminism, has been largely an all white (or mostly white) movement. In that case, black women might as well support a man who’s at least from among their own.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
  179. @Joe Schmoe

    Technically speaking that’s inaccurate. The Catholic Church primarily refers to the clergy, and leadership. Historically there is a clergy laity distinction. The laity are way at the bottom of the totem pole in influence, in importance, etc. Theres a reason why most of the officially canonized saints are from the clergy. Because being a part of the clergy is more than just a calling: it is a sacrament (Holy Orders). Being a member of the laity confers no grace to anyone. Only a member of the clergy can consecrate the Host, the most important part of Mass, and the centerpiece of being a Catholic.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  180. @Anonymous

    Well, a Cub’s maximum speed is 76 knots (that’s only 87 miles per hour, for you landlubbers), but maybe she was flying (“driving?!”) her preferred 104 knots in some other bird?

    Likewise unless he was pretty loaded (was he?) her old man probably could not afford a bird with the range needed to make casual excursions to the Arctic Circle and back to the contiguous F.U.S.A. Likewise, that cited interview suggests she lived in New York, and unless she stopped several times to refuel, she did not fly a Cub from New York to Minnesota the night her old man died. (But again, may the trip was made in another bird of hers? I never heard of this woman until now, so I’ve no idea how wealthy she is or was.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  181. @SteveM

    You conveniently forget that Kobe and his wife were separated from 2011-13. He was also known as a flagrant adulterer. At least Michael Jordan had the decency to get a divorce from his first wife.

    • Replies: @SteveM
  182. @Anonymous

    I think you meant to reply to the comment I was replying to, not to mine.

  183. anon[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    Another misogynist women hating POS man of UNZ who can’t get laid and chooses to display his sexual and mental health problems on this site.

    • LOL: Rob
    • Replies: @Alden
  184. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon

    Likewise unless he was pretty loaded (was he?)

    Apparently the Cruises of Creston, Iowa were loaded af. I think she might have been talking of flying from Iowa to Minnesota, not from New York. Apparently she was a teenage virtuoso brass player and the family cosseted her pretty well.

    Still, I think she is bullshitting.

    Her mother’s obit gives some details:

    https://www.pearsonfuneralhomes.com/obituary/wilma-l-cruise/

    Wilma L. Cruise
    October 28, 1925 – January 18, 2006

    Wilma L. Cruise was born to Irene B. (Rakow) and Delbert L. Hill on October 28, 1925, in Orchard, Nebraska. Wilma entered eternal rest on January 18, 2006, at Creston Nursing and Rehab in Creston, Iowa at the age of eighty years, two months, and twenty-three days.

    Wilma graduated from O’Neill High School with the class of 1943. She attended Omaha Business School for one year. On September 10, 1944, Wilma married Dr. John W. Cruise, DDS at St. Cecilia’s Cathedral, Omaha, Nebraska.

    After her marriage, Wilma moved to St. Louis, MO, where her husband completed dental school. They moved to Creston in 1949. Wilma was a homemaker and bookkeeper for her husband’s dental office.

    Wilma was a member of the Altar Society; Catholic Daughters of America; and the Crestmoor Golf Club.

    Left to mourn Wilma’s passing are her children: Tony Cruise (wife Kay), Omaha, NE; Kate Coen (husband Mike), Creston; Mick Cruise, Dubuque; Julee Cruise (husband Edward Grinnan), New York, NY; her sister: Twila Wurtz, Sioux City, IA; Five Grandchildren: Jennifer Coen; Brian (wife Katie) Coen; John Coen (fiancee Jacque Berens); Michelle (husband Kevin) Lee; Jean Cruise; Four Great-Grandchildren: John Rourke, Benjamin Lee, James Lee, and Jack Coen; Nephews: Steve Mattas, Kentucky; Dave Mattas, Omaha, NE; Larry Wurtz, Minnesota; and Nieces: Maureen Mattas, Lincoln, NE; Molly Nancy, Lincoln, NE; Diane (husband Robert) Carley, Omaha, NE.

    Preceding Wilma in death were her parents; Husband, Jack in 1980; Grand-daughter: Jill Marie Coen in 1986; and nephews: Dwayne, John, and Marty Mattas.

    Mother’s mother was a Rakow, which if consistent with other surnames ending in -ow (Aronow, Manilow, Dolginow) means ((you know)). Although the Cruises were apparently quite Catholic, matrilineal is matrilineal.

  185. NOTA says:
    @JimB

    TBH, this is a hell of a lot better than most rape victims get. It’s a hard crime to prove and a nasty kind of trial.

  186. NOTA says:

    She should have stuck with just calling him an austere religious scholar.

  187. @Autochthon

    “I believe it entirely likely he effectively convinced the victim, or, rather, his lawyers did, that if she recanted and refused to cooperate with any prosecution she would be made a very rich woman in any civil action she chose to file, and that that offer – or some very similar arrangement – was honoured by both parties.”

    There’d be a corollary to that, probably not explicitly stated but understood – “should you choose to prosecute, your personal life will be up for grabs, your friends and family will be harassed, ex-lovers will be rewarded for their testimony, you’ll be monstered in court by a succession of lawyers, you’ll become notorious and probably unemployable, though you might get a few offers for porn work. Think it over.

    • Agree: sayless
  188. @songbird

    That was his wife. 4 karat, 8 million cash IIRC.

    • Replies: @songbird
  189. SteveM says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    You conveniently forget that Kobe and his wife were separated from 2011-13. He was also known as a flagrant adulterer. At least Michael Jordan had the decency to get a divorce from his first wife.

    I’m not excusing Kobe Bryant’s prior behavior. Kobe Bryant didn’t excuse his prior behavior.

    That was 7 years ago. Since then, an admittedly imperfect Kobe Bryant apparently led a decent life as a husband, father and someone who back to his community.

    What more should he have done? Or was he entitled to no forgiveness?

  190. Anon[149] • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon

    My understanding is that she consented to “sex” generally but not the particular type of sex Kobe had in mind. In other words, Kobe thought consent for one orifice applied to all.

    • Replies: @Alden
  191. @SteveM

    Getting killed taking your 13 year old daughter to her basketball game is a pretty respectable way to go.

  192. MEH 0910 says:

  193. @Art Deco

    Yes, Margo’s current marriage is still active at 18 years. I find it interesting that she kept the name of her WASP husband and the other three were Jewish. And yes, the relationship between Dear Abby, Ann Landers, and their families is quite ironic.

  194. Sonmez was roasted for a post hours after Kobe Bryant died in helicopter crash.

    Interesting choice of words, given that Kobe was roasted in the crash.

  195. @Justvisiting

    Is Woke Logic somewhere between Fuzzy Logic and Nappy Logic? Just axin.

  196. @James Forrestal

    We were talking about who created the blackface minstrel show, not blackface vaudeville. That was my question. Can you answer it?

    It’s never been a secret that Jews were prominent performers in blackface vaudeville.

    https://www.jweekly.com/1998/10/02/berkeley-professor-unmasks-jewish-stars-in-blackface-study/

    Note the date.

    But thanks for your research. That must have taken lots of your time. Did you know that time is measured by opportunity cost? What’s yours, a buck an hour?

    That must hurt.

  197. Art Deco says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    The laity are way at the bottom of the totem pole in influence, in importance, etc.

    Ha ha ha. Contemporary parish priests have an aversion to locking horns with the music director and the DRE. So, you’re music, 85% of the time, is cr!p distributed by Oregon Catholic Press that sounds like leftover score music from Hallmark Channel productions. And your catechesis is unstructured gitchy goo. Catholic parishes are populated with all kinds of people, but they’re run according to what will appeal to the audience of the Hallmark Channel. The fathers in the parish sit on the building committee, run the raffles, collect money for the Knights of Columbus, and otherwise keep their mouths shut.

  198. Altai says:

    Missed this from the police report, he implicates Shaq in raping multiple women.

    “Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.” – Kobe Bryant

    “The officers then asked Bryant, “Did you ever ask her if you wanted, if you could cum in her face?” “Yes,” Bryant replied, adding, “That’s when she said no. That’s when she said no. That’s when she said no.” – Kobe Bryant

    At one point, when police described the accuser as “attractive,” Bryant corrected them. “She wasn’t that attractive,” said Bryant. Then, when officers asked him about “finishing,” he replied, “I didn’t finish a fucking thing,” adding, “I jerked off when she left.” – Kobe Bryant

    According to the police report, while he was being questioned by the officers about the alleged sexual assault, Bryant said, “I should have done what Shaq does,” adding, “Shaq gives them money or buys them cars, he has already spent one million dollars.” The report added, “Kobe stated that Shaq does this to keep the girls quiet.” – The Filth talking about Kobe Bryant

    “[The nurse] stated that there were several lacerations to the victim’s posterior fourchette or vaginal area, and two of those lacerations were approximately one centimeter in length,” testified Det. Winters. “And there were many, I believe, 2 millimeter lacerations. Too many to count… [The nurse] stated that the injuries were consistent with penetrating genital trauma. That it’s not consistent with consensual sex.” – The Filth about Kobe Bryant

    • Replies: @Jack D
  199. Jack D says:
    @Rurik

    From what I remember about the case, she finally said she wouldn’t press charges (either criminal or civil)

    You remember wrong. The criminal case was dropped but the civil case was settled. The amount is confidential but for a case like this it would have been at least a couple of million. Not bad for 1 roll in the hay for a woman who usually gave it away for free and for Kobe a bargain compared to the alternative.

  200. Jack D says:
    @Altai

    Shaq is a smart man. Before the girl lawyers up, a car is enough. She is forever grateful and speaks kindly of your incredible generosity.

    Afterward, it will cost you millions. Kobe was scoffing at Shaq spending a cumulative million on who knows how many girls. This one girl cost him many millions and could have send him to jail and/or ended his career.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  201. @Art Deco

    EXCEPT…for the most important thing, which is consecration of the Host. That is the ball game. The Super Bowl, 7th Game of WS. And that will always be controlled by the clergy, period. You only have a Mass if the Host is consecrated, which can only be done by a priest (member of the clergy and not by ordinary folks).

  202. @Jack D

    What kind of car? Depends. We talking about a Yugo? Or a Rolls?

    Now that Kobe’s dead, there’s nothing to prevent the woman (now in her mid 30’s) from writing a book, her story about the incident and what went down that night. Nothing that lawyers can do. He’s dead, and she has a right to tell her story, should anyone want to publish it. If Stormy Daniels can get a book deal, then so can this woman.

    And with him being gone, why wouldn’t they? Now’s the best time to write that book and get it published as there is an audience for what went down that night in CO.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  203. SteveM says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Getting killed taking your 13 year old daughter to her basketball game is a pretty respectable way to go.

    Yep. And haters gotta hate…

    NEWPORT BEACH, Calif. — Hours before he died Sunday, basketball superstar Kobe Bryant attended Mass at Our Lady Queen of Angels Catholic Church in Newport Beach, California. His parish is now praying for his soul.

    https://bit.ly/2RVQbUN

  204. lysias says:

    Are the death threats on line crimes? Shouldn’t that be the story here?

  205. lysias says:
    @SteveM

    What could he do? Instead of pressuring his victim to drop the charge, he could have confessed his crime, pled guilty, and accepted his punishment. Then he might deserve forgiveness.

    • Replies: @SteveM
  206. songbird says:
    @Jim Christian

    Thanks, I forgot he was already married to her.

    No pre-nup, so I guess it was a good investment. Four children.

  207. Jack D says:
    @ben tillman

    though not having anything close to a monopoly

    When it comes to raping black women ( and being raped by white men seems to be an obsession of black women along with having their hair touched – most blacks are convinced that their white blood is the product of rape by massa) they pretty much do. The # of black women raped by white men is a statistical zero according to the FBI crime stats but you would never know that from reading the mass media or watching TV crime shows. On Law & Order SVU, how often is the rapist black and the victim white vs. vice versa?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  208. nymom says:

    The whole Kobe Bryant crime profile/modus operandi was a very interesting one to me…

    First, of all the victim was about the same age as his wife since he started dating his wife while she was still in high school.

    Second, I don’t know what the victim actually looked like, but she could have been the same type as his wife.

    Third, he had a daughter who was heavily involved in basketball and just getting ready to enter high school. Where he was presumably going to become a coach for her high school team.

    We don’t know where this might have ended down the road. We could have been looking at another Bill Cosby/Michael Jackson/Harvey Weinstein type of situation 20 years hence if he had been allowed to become a coach for girls in high school basketball after being accused of raping a young woman close in age to a high schooler.

    Maybe I’ve just seen too many crime stories on TV, I don’t know.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  209. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Beats Nelson Rockefeller. Still, I’d say driving to the game like an ordinary mortal and NOT getting killed (and taking your child with you) would have been even better.

  210. SteveM says:
    @lysias

    What could he do? Instead of pressuring his victim to drop the charge, he could have confessed his crime, pled guilty, and accepted his punishment. Then he might deserve forgiveness.

    He could have, but he had his spiritual epiphany long after the water had passed under that bridge.

    Kobe Bryant made an originally imperfect deal with his victim. But years after that deal had been struck, he acknowledged his fault, apparently with genuine contrition, she went on with her life and he went on with his as a person of matured integrity.

    At that point what more could he have done differently?

    • Replies: @lysias
  211. Rob says:
    @SteveM

    What more should he have done? He should have served a prison sentence.

  212. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    On Law & Order SVU, how often is the rapist black and the victim white vs. vice versa?

    The signature of the Law & Order franchise is that the perp is invariably bourgeois or patrician. Can be male or female. Anyone from a pudgy office supervisor in glasses to Mrs. Blueblood Loaded, patron of the arts, will do. Not sure all white, but that was my impression.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  213. @SteveM

    Boy, you really believe everything you’re told and read. Swallow it hook, line and sinker. Like, this is the 1950’s, and..I HATE ’50’s talking points. This is 2020. This the reality we have to deal with, not Leave it to Beaver.

    He had a great talent that in the capitalist system took him very far, and for a HS graduate, that’s pretty good for winning the Lottery of Life. So he had a little rape [allegedly] problem, so what?

    Here’s a scripture you might not remember: The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away. Blessed be the name of the Lord. So for a good 25+ yrs he was given, and now on Sunday it was taken away.

  214. vinteuil says:
    @Art Deco

    Wow, AD – this is, by your standards, strangely impassioned & incoherent.

    Is this really you?

    • Thanks: sayless
  215. @Bitfu

    Except that the rape kit proved that the deed was done within past 24 hrs, and she had only been with Kobe in that time frame. Oops.

    Perhaps the truth is a bit (but not by much) more complex. She knew who he was, wanted to meet him, and perhaps wanted to make out with him, but not necessarily have sex with him within ten minutes of meeting him. So he took her eagerness of meeting him to mean she wanted it, and that’s where he made the mega million dollar mistake.

    So, perhaps now with him dead, she can write a book and tell her side of the story. If you say “Why should we believe her?” Well, why should we have ever believed Kobe’s side either? Therefore, let’s hear her side in book form, and then decide between the two versions where the accuracy lies about what occurred on that fateful night in CO.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  216. lysias says:
    @SteveM

    The statute of limitations is an affirmative defense, which means that it can be waived. At any point before he died, Bryant could have waived it.

  217. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    That’s a reflection of black feminist’s irrationality, not reality. White feminists bend over backwards in deference to black women. At least that’s my perception.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  218. @Art Deco

    Some years ago I watched every Law & Order episode (the regular series) for a year. Every suspect-defendant was white. And usually “bourgeois or patrician.” In maybe one or two cases there was an initial nonwhite suspect, but in the end the main suspect and guilty perpetrator was white.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
  219. Alden says:
    @anon

    You know it’s true. You wimp nerd men of UNZ submit to affirmative action can’t get laid or even a conversation with a White beauty and blame White women for what White men did to other White men.

    I know, I know; you all just can’t find a White woman who isn’t an obese tattooed white mud shark cat lady.

    Look at yourselves.

    • Troll: Jack D
    • Replies: @anon
  220. anon[153] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Felicia Sonmez made a fatal intersectionality calculation error.

    A woman who can’t do math? Hold on. Let me report this problematic comment to the speech police. I’m literally shaking right now.

  221. Alden says:

    For those of you who don’t live in LA Metro and as per usual blame every victim because he shoulda coulda woulda done it differently.

    Getting to Calabasas from Newport Beach at any time except 2-4 AM takes hours. It’s 70 miles and the freeway speed limit is 65 in metro areas. Then there’s getting to the freeway on 25 MPH streets. He had the money for a helicopter to take his kid to basketball practice.

    You all sound like a 1900 old ladies gossip club, endlessly criticizing everybody in town. Even blame the victim for a helicopter crash.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  222. Art Deco says:
    @David In TN

    Detective serials are commonly twee (Agatha Christie) or at least exercises in puzzle-solving by characters you find engaging (see Inspector Morse). It’s fiction, so suspension of disbelief is part of it. The Law & Order ball of wax – the unappealing regulars, the ‘ripped from the headlines’ plots, the ‘realism’ which isn’t real begins to grate over time. When you can reliably identify the perpetrator at such time as the complete set of characters have been introduced just by taking an inventory of the race-class-gender of each, it gets to be a bore.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  223. Alden says:
    @Anon

    She didn’t consent to sex at all. She just let him kiss her a bit. The hatred of White women and prurient interest on this site is unspeakable.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Johann Ricke
  224. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    You wimp nerd men of UNZ submit to affirmative action can’t get laid or even a conversation with a White beauty and blame White women for what White men did to other White men.

    Lol. Whatever, grandma. Which one of these is you?

    How many cats do you have? What kind of box wine do you prefer?

  225. @James Forrestal

    Irony/sarcasm fail. Darryl Zanuck actually was a WASP.

  226. Jack D says:
    @nymom

    The Kobe Bryant accuser was blond. His wife was brunette. His wife was slightly older but the accuser was of legal age (19). Bryant did not seem to be personally involved with coaching his daughter’s team, just his daughter. It’s possible to speculate about all kinds of stuff. The Atlantic writer speculated that Kobe would have gone on to perform some sort of spectacular act of penitence. You speculate that he would have raped his daughter’s teammates. Both speculations have more to do with fantasy projection than with the real man, who is now dust and ashes. We’ll never know what he might have gone on to do, but probably neither of the above.

    • Replies: @nymom
  227. Jack D says:
    @Alden

    Google Maps predicts that on a Sunday morning it would take between 1 hour and 5 minutes and 1 hour and 20 minutes. This is little more (if any) than it would have taken by helicopter taking into account transfers on either end. (Right now at the height of rush hour they are saying 2.5 hrs – Google Maps times are scary accurate because they know the exact velocity of each car on the road.) Kobe had been commuting by helicopter for so long (and admittedly using supposedly top notch aircraft and pilots although the NTSB investigation will reveal if there were any feet of clay here) that he had lost sight of the very real risks involved. Commercial flying in the US, especially on main line carriers (as opposed to the feeder airlines which often carry major carrier livery but in reality are separate operations) is incredibly safe (safer than driving) but helicopters are not.

    I’m guessing (just guessing) that if you could revive Kobe and give him a second chance, even he would tell you that in retrospect he should have opted for safety over speed and that his great wealth (which enabled him to fly everywhere) did not serve him well in the end. Being a live poor guy beats a being a rich dead guy every time.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  228. Jack D says:
    @Alden

    Not at all? Really? Just a chaste peck on the cheek, like he was kissing his grandma. And you know this how?

    Here is a picture of grandma.

  229. SteveM says:

    Here is a picture of grandma.

    The guy committed an offense which he attempted to atone for from a context of spiritual and moral reflection.

    Years later, he went on to live a life of apparent integrity with devotion to his wife, his kids, his community and his faith.

    Your All Hate, All the Time schtick is played. Give it a rest…

    • Replies: @Rob
  230. Anon[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    How is that picture supposed to prove it wasn’t rape? You actual grandma should be big titted by now. (Unless you are a boomer, and therefore married to a granny.) Is your granny interested in random sex with bn, just because her udders are larger than average? Do you approach all the women with larger breasts with the belief that they want to have sex?

  231. Rob says:
    @SteveM

    I bet if Jack learned the victim were Jewish, his tune would change mighty fast.

  232. @alt right moderate

    George Soros has, not surprisingly, predicted that the S&P 500 will crash before October, and may well be planning some audacious short sell or Forex scheme to help bring that about.

    This fits with what I’ve been saying for months now. I believe the economy is in a precarious bubble, and a slight nudge would bring it down. I don’t know what that nudge would consist of, but I believe there are people who do, and are in a position to apply it. (Soros is certainly a candidate, but I’m sure there are others.)

    A well-timed recession would surely kill Trump’s chances. Recall that at this time in 1992, Bush I looked unbeatable. By November, the economy changed all that.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  233. @Jack D

    Commercial flying in the US, especially on main line carriers (as opposed to the feeder airlines which often carry major carrier livery but in reality are separate operations) is incredibly safe (safer than driving) but helicopters are not.

    I keep reading about how flying is safer than driving. Is it safer than taking the bus or the train? I don’t think it’s so much that flying is safer as professional bus drivers (whether on roads, rails or in the air) are safer than the average driver. If you had people qualified to be commercial pilots chauffeur people everywhere on the road, I bet they’d amass a better safety record than the airlines. The reality of non-airline-related airplane crashes suggests that commercial airline trips are safer only because pilots are hyper-competent bus drivers.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  234. sayless says:
    @Jack D

    “you know this how”

    From the physical injuries.

  235. @Art Deco

    Ok, then let’s test your point. Count for us any episodes on any current crime fighting, criminal justice shows on network TV (that are also do well in the ratings) and show us a black perp accuses of the crime of rape, and where the victim is a white woman. Show us the episode. By random chance, and also based in reality regarding actual crime stats according to government agencies (e:g.FBI), there should be a couple of these episodes that exist.

    I’ll do the spoiler alert to save time: no such episodes exist, whether on current crime shows or from episodes of network shows that were on the air for a fairly long time. If any single episode existed/exists, the initial perp was black but ultimately is cleared and the actual guilty suspect is white.

    And that’s a conscious narrative bias at work: never to show black perps on TV accused of raping a white woman. Heck, just showing a black criminal who is in fact a criminal where it isn’t whiteys fault, and not systemic racism, or something along those lines, is a rarity.

    Unless you watch the more realistic show COPS. And also the 6 O’clock news.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  236. @Malcolm X-Lax

    Your perception doesn’t match reality. The leadership for many decades has been almost all white. The issues they gave tended to push have been mainly for the benefit for white women. With Obama’s election they suddenly started getting some tokens in the ranks and made them front and center, but it’s still basically a white women’s group.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
  237. Lurker says:
    @Anonymous

    Sassymama – indeed, the percentage of sassy mamas in the media is definitely not high enough.

  238. Lurker says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I think “muh dik” would be somewhere in there too.

  239. @Jack D

    Way way wait. Is THAT the actual victim? Because for longest time, the MSN wouldn’t publish her photo. But if that’s actually her, then she really ought to now go and write a book. Those photos should be the title cover. she’s only about 36, same age as Nicole Brown when she died at the hands of another famous athlete.

  240. Lurker says:
    @David In TN

    The introduction of a non-white suspect early in the story is becoming quite common. Its laughable, since we immediately know he dindu nuffin.

    What I find galling is that there are still people who think this isnt true, yet they would they would be the first to take to Twitter to complain about a black character being depicted as an actual rapist or murderer (not that such thing could ever happen on TV of course)

  241. anon[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @David In TN

    Some years ago I watched every Law & Order episode (the regular series) for a year.

    Now that is self abuse. A hair shirt would have been less tedious. Or you could have just spent Easter week with some Penitentes.

    By the way, The First 48 is back on A&E again, if anyone wants to contrast fiction vs. reality.

  242. @Jack D

    And to think that during his interview with the CO police, he stated “She wasn’t all that attractive.”

    Talk about downplaying the event, IF that is what the victim looked like in ’03.

  243. @Bitfu

    Where did you read that? The Daily Beast report had her saying she’d picked up a dirty panty to go to the police the next morning, not that she’d slept with another guy after Bryant.

  244. MEH 0910 says:

  245. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Now that Kobe’s dead, there’s nothing to prevent the woman (now in her mid 30’s) from writing a book, her story about the incident and what went down that night.

    Now that he’s dead, lots of women could come out of the woodwork with claims against the estate. Calling Gloria Allred.

  246. @Alden

    She didn’t consent to sex at all. She just let him kiss her a bit. The hatred of White women and prurient interest on this site is unspeakable.

    My impression is that she might have portrayed herself as a virginal ingenue to the prosecutor, only to have that whole facade ripped away by interviews with friends and acquaintances. Since the prosecution needed her credibility to be unimpeachable, in a case where the bruising from consensual sex is not appreciably different from non-consensual, it decided to drop the matter.

    Of course, there is the flak a prosecutor gets for going after an exceptional sports hero like Bryant. Would voters ever forgive him? Would his NBA-loving peers in the legal profession?

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  247. Art Deco says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Don’t know why you’re being contentious with me. I agree the shows are promoters of social fiction in a way conventional detective serials are not. And in a way programs based on actual crimes or police procedure are not.

    An intermediate position is found in a program like Dateline or 20/20. They’re derived from actual cases, but in their selections they are biased strongly toward bourgeois perpetrators. My guess would be that the motive is very different, however. (1) they’re looking for cases where there is some uncertainty about who did what; that’s less likely with people who are not vocational criminals but more likely with people who are self-consciously intelligent; (2) they’re looking for cases where the principles can be regarded by the viewer with some degree of sympathy or at least interest; that’s a simpler matter when the principles resemble the audience more; (3) screenwriters themselves don’t necessarily have the talent to craft an engaging narrative from the raw material presented by most perpetrators of violent crime (or their victims, while we’re at it). The last point I suspect largely explains why the modal type of perpetrator doesn’t get much screen time except on true-crime programs where the focus is on detection through the use of forensic science (or the characters are the police themselves, e.g. Joe Kenda).

    • Replies: @Jack D
  248. Art Deco says:
    @Rex Little

    He looked unbeatable in early 1991, not early 1992. The economic recession (which was shamelessly hyped by the media to help the Democratic candidates) began in the summer of 1990 and ended in the spring of 1991. There was a delay in the recovery of the labor market, but production had been on the mend for a year and a half by the time of the vote. The President’s Gallup approval ratings sank relentlessly from January of 1991 to July of 1992 and he was underwater by January of that year.

    • Replies: @Days of Broken Arrows
  249. nymom says:
    @Jack D

    Kobe’s wife’s hair was dyed blonde when he first met her in high school.

    She subsequently let it grow out to its natural color…

    Just sayin…

  250. @David In TN

    Law and Order LOVED storylines that involved white clearly WASP bad guys. These rapist/pedophile/murderers frequently victimized poor women of color. Moreover, these white men were typically well-connected via ancient lineages to blue blood Brahmins of the variety who probably kept great grampa Irving out of the more desirable country clubs of Southampton and Malibu.

  251. Jack D says:
    @Johann Ricke

    There’s much more to it than that. The death rate on US major carriers is a statistical zero nowadays. Competent pilots are of course a factor, but the aircraft are also built to a very high standard of reliability (with a price tag to match) and maintained to a high standard and, unlike buses, do not travel on roads with all sorts of drunks all around but in controlled airspace where, if the air traffic control system is working, no other aircraft will ever even get near them. Nor are there trees, bridges, etc. up in the air. The jets have all sorts of high tech safety features not found on buses (or helicopters) – for example, Kobe’s copter lacked a terrain warning system which would have warned the pilot if he was coming close to the ground. “TERRAIN TERRAIN PULL UP” (often heard on black box audio just before the plane hits the ground). Thru long and bitter experience, most of the safety kinks (failures in deicing regimens, failures in crew communication, etc.) have been worked out so that one by one the major causes of crashes have been eliminated.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  252. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    Aside from the racis’ element, most ghetto crimes are boring and would not make an engaging “True Crime” type TV show. Usually these shows feature some middle (or even upper) class guy whose wife or business partner has mysteriously disappeared or is found dead. At first the guy is seen to be a pillar of the community and then we find out that he was secretly leading a double life and had a mistress on the side. Ghetto crimes don’t have any of these elements of suspense.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  253. Yes, Bush 41 was vulnerable at this stage in 1992. Funny thing, many prospective Democrat candidates bowed out of running in early 1991 when Bush was high in the polls in the aftermath of Desert Storm.

    Bill Clinton went in early and got in the driver’s seat. He weathered the Gennifer Flowers imbroglio and cruised/limped to the nomination. Clinton was lucky in that events broke for a Democrat victory in 1992.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @ScarletNumber
  254. @Jack D

    in controlled airspace where, if the air traffic control system is working, no other aircraft will ever even get near them.

    My point is that if we flew our personal planes like the Jetsons to the post office or school basketball games, there is neither a professional bus driver nor the vast open spaces of the air like the current situation where airline traffic dominates the (nonetheless fairly empty) skies. If civilians flew their own aircraft all over the place for daily errands, the skies would look just like our freeways, but accident rates would be an order of magnitude larger. Because flying is intrinsically a much more demanding activity than driving.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  255. Art Deco says:
    @David In TN

    The Democrats actually lost a few seats in Congress in 1992. Retrospectively, you can see their ‘permanent majority’ had some structural flaws that Newt Gingrich recognized and exploited in 1994. Bush’s loss was curious. IIRC, what survey research their was on the question indicated that Ross Perot was drawing about equally off both candidates, the economy wasn’t in bad shape, the Iron Curtain had come down, and Clinton had some gross personal scandals. In spite of what’s commonly uttered, there have been among consequential presidential candidates in the last 60 years only two genuine draft dodgers: Bill Clinton and Bernie Sanders. Clinton’s scamming around in 1969 was satisfactorily publicized and he was running against a combat veteran. Doesn’t seem to have done him any damage.

    The only sense I can make of it is that a very bored electorate proved responsive to propaganda about the economy rather than looking at the numbers or their day-to-day experience.

  256. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    They’re engaging enough if the focus is on the investigatory process. Joe Kenda has made a satisfactory living at it the last few years. He conducted not quite 400 murder investigations over a period of 19 years of which they’ve produced episodes on about 1/3. He’s said the program will now have to conclude because he’s out of material; among the remaining cases, some are too gruesome to put on television, but most are ‘too simple’.

    Dateline and 20/20 have to troll intensively to find cases. Where I grew up, homicides occurring outside the slums have a clearance rate that exceeds 90% and all but a few are disposed of through plea bargains. Domestic arguments, arguments between friends, bar fights, suicide-by-cop, vehicular manslaughter, &c. Nearly all open-and-shut.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  257. Jack D says:
    @Johann Ricke

    If we ever get to Jetson like personal aircraft they will probably be drones in communication with each other. You’ll be texting on your iPhone XXV and the drone will fly you to work without hitting any other drone. Maybe in crowded areas they’ll even link up into drone chains.

  258. JMcG says:
    @Rurik

    That’s excellent. I’ll be adding it my arsenal if you don’t mind. I currently make the point that if helmets weren’t used in the NFL, it would have the same audience as basketball. People would be able to see just what they are cheering for.

  259. @Art Deco

    I lived through that recession. If anything the media underplayed it. Scads of us Gen X-ers were starting in the job market and were relegated to working at places in the mall — even though we had college degrees. I didn’t feel the effects of the full recovery until about spring 1994.

    I’m also old enough to remember the 1992 debates. Bush lost partially because Clinton was more likeable and sold himself better. But the main reason he lost was because the older demographic’s vote was siphoned away by indie candidate H. Ross Perot.

    The cash register incident also didn’t help Bush. Look it up if you don’t get the reference.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  260. JMcG says:
    @Alden

    Well that’s really eye-opening. That must have been a hard job to face sometimes.

  261. JMcG says:
    @Alden

    You know, I like the cut of your jib! And of your family’s jibs as well.

  262. JMcG says:
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, I’m pretty sure I’ve sat next to her in a bar. And then changed seats. It’s amazing how many people bullshit about being pilots.

  263. @David In TN

    Funny thing, many prospective Democrat candidates bowed out of running in early 1991 when Bush was high in the polls in the aftermath of Desert Storm.

    This reminds me of the famous SNL skit called “Campaign ’92: The Race To Avoid Being The Guy Who Loses To Bush” which aired in November 1991. The candidates were Lloyd Bentsen (Keifer Sutherland), Bill Bradley (Kevin Nealon), Mario Cuomo (Phil Hartman), Dick Gephardt (Dana Carvey), and Al Gore (Victoria Jackson as Tipper).

  264. Felicia has been reinstated by the Post. Instead of showing any contrition, she has doubled down and demanded from her boss why she was suspended in the first place. Showing her commitment to truth, she has chosen to hide some of the replies to her tweet. The more I am learning, the more I think she should have been suspended in the first place.

    • Replies: @anon
  265. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Listen, you’re absolutely right about the events. We will never know what actually happened. However, this idea that women are entitled to behave promiscuously and lead a man right up to the point of entry before deciding “Sorry Sailor!” is preposterous.* Entrapment is the closest thing I can relate it to. Women who engage in this behavior are subject to ridicule and condemnation.

    *This is not a justification for men to continue the act after a refusal has been verbalized.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  266. @Steve Sailer

    I remember reading years ago your (justifiable) criticisms of police who would respond to Nicole’s domestic violence calls and ask OJ for photo ops and autographs. You seem to be suffering from a bit of that now.

    If it was at Bryant’s insistence that the pilot fly through a heavy fog that facilitated the crash, then the death of his daughter plus the other 7 people who died, are the result of an arrogant man’s hubris and nothing more.

  267. @Art Deco

    My criminal law professor, who’d previously prosecuted homicides in Washington, told us the overwhelming majority of cases involved police showing up to a call about a situation that had gotten out of hand in a bar or residence and finding the perpetrator standing in a stage of horror and shock (“my God; what have I done?!”) a knife or gun or whatever other implement was used close at hand, and, except if one lover had killed another in a private residence, usually numerous witnesses to the whole thing (at bars, parties, and so on).

    Open and shut indeed.

  268. anon[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Felicia has been reinstated by the Post. Instead of showing any contrition, she has doubled down and demanded from her boss why she was suspended in the first place.

    Perfect. This fits right in with the modern Wokeplace. No good deed shall go unpunished.

  269. Art Deco says:
    @Days of Broken Arrows

    I lived through that recession.

    So did I.

    Scads of us Gen X-ers were starting in the job market and were relegated to working at places in the mall — even though we had college degrees.

    That’s true any year.

    Again, production levels declined for only eight months, and measured at quarterly intervals the rate at which goods and services were produced declined by 1.4%. Not a severe recession at all. The recovery of the labor market lagged, but by one year, not three. The peak unemployment rate was in June of 1992, at 7.8%. (The peaks in December 1982 and May 1975 were 10.8% and 9.0% respectively).

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  270. @Art Deco

    “That’s true of any year.”

    No, actually it’s only been true for Gen. X and onward. Back pre-Gen X, say, in the Baby Boomer Generation, when there were more jobs to be had (due to less outsourcing, trade agreements, etc), it was very much expected that a college grad in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s could go directly from graduation into the job of his major (STEM fields in particular). That’s what was so unusual for the time: Gen. X was the first generation where college graduates didn’t instantly go into a job that had fit their college degree. Whereas now, its a given for Millennials and Zoomers that they have to work as a barrista or at Whole Foods for a while before they can get a job that fits their college degree.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  271. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Per the rape kit results, we actually do know what happened. Unfortunately no means no, even when a promiscuous woman says it. If it was indeed consensual, then she wouldn’t have gone immediately to the police and asked for rape test results. She’d have kept seeing him during his stay at CO resort.

  272. @Johann Ricke

    Except that she had also done a rape test within 24 hrs of the incident. Not the type of behavior of someone wanting to hookup with Bryant for the weekend. Again, now that he’s dead, she should go forward and write a book telling her side of the story. Also, as part of the settlement, Bryant had his lawyer read into the public record that she did not give her consent to the incident. Does not sound like it was consensual.

    See, it’s one thing for someone to be starstruck over a celebrity. It’s another thing for someone to agree to be raped (which per the law, is non-consensual). She wanted to meet him, not have sex with him ten minutes after speaking to him. If she did, she wouldn’t have gone to the police and had a rape test. She would’ve continued the hookup throughout Bryant’s stay in CO.

  273. MEH 0910 says:

    H/T: The Wild Geese Howard

  274. Art Deco says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    That’s what was so unusual for the time: Gen. X was the first generation where college graduates didn’t instantly go into a job that had fit their college degree.

    The notion you had, ca. 1975, a guaranteed job in your field on graduation is a fantasy. I don’t know how you came by it, but you should jettison it.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  275. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I don’t know, Yojimbo. All I ever see is white women on the left (I.e. feminists) deferring to the cosmic wisdom or righteous anger of hyper-tribal black women. Black women NEVER join white women against black men, no matter the right or wrong of the situation.

  276. @Art Deco

    A bit inaccurate. National Review in the late ’90’s did some research and found that of Perot’s 19% of the popular vote, about 12-14% (or roughly two-thirds of Perot’s 19% of the popular vote) would’ve either gone for the GOP, or those voters would’ve stayed home rather than vote in a two man race. Look at the states where Perot gained the most traction: traditionally red GOP states. At that time, independents voted pretty clearly for GOP in presidential elections as the Democrats outnumbered Republicans in registration nationwide by nearly 2-1. From the beginning of the official history of the ’92 election, the consensus is that ultimately Perot hurt Bush far more than Clinton. It was Bush that wanted to bring Perot into the network debates. That was a major tactical error on his part, because it only gave Perot credibility as a candidate as well as legitimized the issues he was raising. It’s also unlikely that without national exposure in the debates, Perot would never have received 19% of the total popular vote.

    It’s good to remember that of the three candidates that election, only Perot was talking in depth about the economic problems (mainly on his TV infomercials, which were highly informative for their time). Clinton’s campaign was superficial and didn’t go much beyond “It’s the economy, stupid”. Bush preferred to run on his foreign policy, victory in desert storm, winning the Cold War, etc. which only reinforced the image that he was clueless about economic matters and out of touch with ordinary Americans. Clinton did manage to pivot himself between both Perot and Bush, and appeared more credible and/or less extreme than either.

  277. @Art Deco

    It’s called facts. It was virtually unheard of back in the day (pre-1990’s for the most part) that a recent college graduate would have to wait years and years before a job opened up in the chosen field of his college degree. You simply didn’t see recent college grads ca. 1970’s working at McDonalds after graduating from college with a degree in Engineering, because he couldn’t get hired for an Engineering job. That sort of thing came to the forefront starting in the 1990’s, and the MSM covered it and wrote articles about it and have been covering this phenomenon ever since then.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  278. Art Deco says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    It’s called facts.

    No, it is your fantasy.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  279. @Art Deco

    “Doesn’t seem to have done him any damage.”

    A presidential candidate who was not in his generation’s war has rarely been disadvantaged, perhaps surprisingly. William Manchester made this observation in his 1983 bio(hagio)graphy of John F. Kennedy.

    In the 1960 Democrat primary in West Virginia. JFK’s surrogate, Franklin D. Roosevelt Jr., attacked Hubert Humphrey’s war record, or lack of one. FDR Jr said “Humphrey may be a good Democrat but I don’t know where he was in World War II. ”

    It was considered somewhat dirty politics. Humphrey was married with a family, also 4-F physically. Roosevelt apologized to Humphrey (after the primary was over) and in later years said he regretted it.

    I’ve read (by two RFK biographers, William Shannon and Schlesinger) that Bobby Kennedy ordered Roosevelt to attack Humphrey’s war record. With Bobby it was scorched earth, the Kennedys have to win no matter what. But FDR Jr. was the one blamed.

    I don’t recall Humphrey’s military status brought up at all during his time as Vice President or as the Democrat nominee in 1968.

  280. Art Deco says:

    Humphrey would have been excused until the fall of 1943 on account of having dependent children. IIRC, he was during the war subject to multiple induction physicals and disqualified each time due to some minor issues. (A peculiar sort of hernia was one).

    About 1/2 of those who served during the period running from 1938 to 1946 are to be found in a database of U.S. Army Enlistment records assembled by Ancestry.com. It has in it 192,000 entries for men born in 1911. The 1940 Census indicates that there were 1.07 million men in the country estimated to have been born in 1911. That suggests about 35% of the 1911 cohort were in the service during that span of years. Which is to say that 65% were not. Some genius in the Kennedy camarilla might have persuaded the boss that pressing the issue might generate a certain amount of blowback, particularly given RFK’s rather meh service record.

    Hendrick Hertzberg was a great one for smarm in these discussions. His operational principle was that any Republican candidate was obligated to have enlisted in the regular military during the VietNam War. I seem to recall he was silent about Clinton’s scamming around. Clinton and Sanders are the only notable candidates who ever received a dispensation contrary to usual practice. The I-Y deferment Trump received was awarded to about 12% of each birth cohort, i.e. over 200,000 young men each year. About 25% of each cohort had II-S deferments for a time. Around 5-7% entered the Guard or the Reserves. Newt Gingrich had dependent children from 1963 to the end of the war, a deferment open to any mope. The vast majority still eligible (including both Trump brothers) were excused when the draft lottery was introduced. Fewer than half those born during the years running from 1939 to 1954 actually entered the service.

    Clinton and Sanders were not in compliance at all. It’s just that they were able to exploit the process so that they were not sanctioned for noncompliance. In Sanders case, it’s simple to describe: he hired a lawyer to press a bogus claim for conscientious objector status. The lawyer won so many continuances that he ran out the clock on Sanders eligibility. In Clinton’s case, it was a more occult series of maneuvers which involved conning an Army colonel into an administrative measure which allowed him to shirk his ROTC service obligations. The Army colonel was incensed and saved the correspondence between the two of them, publishing it in 1992. I’d be more impressed with Trump if he’d put in some time in the military, but it’s just another piece of information about him. Clinton and Sanders are the two whose conduct should have categorically disqualified them.

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