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Commenter Tonsil writes from Arizona:
I attended today’s [Trump] event at Fountain Hills, first time ever at a political rally.
I was impressed by how many young people there were. Nice small talk in the crowd, joking a bit about the protesters who blocked the road for half an hour. Most of us had already been there for hours. There was a little crowd of protesters circling around behind a few fences, but they didn’t seem very organized. Some chants and banter back and forth, but nobody was really getting under anybody’s skin.
Maybe it was wild in Tucson, but you’d have to use some creative camera angles to make it look bad. Arizona is pretty laid-back, I’d say. Fair weather fans kind of thing.
You couldn’t buy an official hat or campaign gear. Volunteers explained that the real ones are expensive and too hard to keep in stock, being made in America. Sad!
As I’ve semi-joked, I’m kind of surprised Trump isn’t running a profit off his campaign from hat sales alone, so I guess this helps explain why. One problem is the supply chain for tchotchkes over the last 25 years has been so optimized around Chinese manufacturing that it’s now hard to get made-in-America souvenirs.
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Donald Trump just got an endorsement from the actor from Joanie Loves Chachi.
In 1982 I was driving with a college friend from Houston through Dead Man’s Curve on Sunset Blvd. but there was a traffic jam. Eventually, we saw why: Scott Baio, star of the then hot new show “Joanie Loves Chachi,” had smashed his brandnew sportscar (with dealer paper plates into a tree) and he was standing on the curb talking into a pre-cellular radio phone in an agitated manner.
My friend went home to Texas feeling his first trip to L.A. had fulfilled all of his hopes for what L.A. was like.
https://youtu.be/flIwCej5M4EReplies: @yaqub the mad scientist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad4fagTyaM4
On Ebay for $6.99 free shipping. Red Make America Great Again hat. 916 sold http://goo.gl/i4CV2c
One made in America goes for $19.99…on ebay
Scott Baio’s after school special “Stoned” was filmed on location in my hometown.
I’m not sure the paucity of Trump hats is a problem with protectionism. The problem is more with our current trade policy that has allowed so much to be outsourced to China.
Chinese and Mexican manufacturing is consistently (and sometimes violently) inferior, but effectively more than benefits from cheating. As Beth Macy demonstrates in "Factory Man," when you compete with China, you are competing with all of China at once: all personal savings accounts pooled commonly, top level government attention, special legal permissions. So it never was free trade in any way, it always was hyper-protectionism for me and phony freedom for thee.
And exactly who benefits from cheap garbage that has to be replaced because it breaks? That "advantage" only ever made sense in terms of accumulations across the economy. When I was poor I still made a point of buying a more expensive American Rubbermaid tub that lasts forever and not a Chinese Homz rigid plastic box that fails in its function of being a box.
Trump is not going to be able to bring most manufacturing jobs back from china, and nor should he.. I like being able to get cheap stuff from china. I am wearing over-sized eyeglasses from china (cost me 25 bucks) that would have otherwise cost me 100 dollars or more.
The only decent manufacturing jobs are those that turn raw materials into parts…otherwise, all the rest of manufacturing jobs should stay overseas.
Trump if elected should just concentrate on stopping illegal immigration via a wall, drones etc, and stopping visa overstays and just stop almost all work visas.
As for healtcare, the fed govt should just force healthcare to computerize its records and force them to be transparent with their price data. That, along with health insurance deregulation, should help a lot.
Problem is those folks have had it up to hear with the white professional class who think like this. This is why they rebelled against the GOP repuke candidates and went for Trump.
The other thing is, free trade has hollowed out country, our economy is a puffed up joke kept afloat by Wall Street slight of hand and a overheated real-estate market, a over sized military to threaten other nations. Take away our military and we are a super sized version of Greece or Mexico.
Even in technology we're a joke, we do some design work here in the U.S. but everything else is in China from PCB manufacturing. IC production to latest generation Apple, IBM and HP computers and handhelds.
We used to do it all. I remember when we did make everything and people did a lot better than they do now.
Now we don't even have enough jobs for our STEM workers. 75% of Silicon Valley workers are foreign born. Even if you fired all of them, there isn't enough work for all our STEM workers anymore because the tech base is in China or South Korea.
We either bring manufacturing and tech back or we perish. Even now our consumer purchasing power is shrinking rapidly as people lack the income to buy all that Chinese made junk. Why is it shrinking? Because they're working in the service sector that pays shit. Instead of working in a factory that paid $20 a hour plus bennies, they get a job at Wal-Mart that pays $9 a hour for less than 28 hours of work a week with no benefits.
It won't end well, especially for the white urban professional class who has the most to lose if things aren't rectified and soon.Replies: @Hunsdon, @Ed, @The SPY
Is this an argument or a metaphor for putting a cap on campaign spending?
The volunteers who explained the hat shortage were two teenage kids handing out bumper stickers, so I don’t know if it’s the official story.
But here you have a genius business man who’s had 12 months to figure out how to source these things, and I had to buy a hat from a Bulgarian lady on the side of the road.
For the record, I like Donald a lot. Also for the record, the crowd was diverse for Arizona, and I stood next to a black university student at the rally. Behind me were four girls who were pretty obviously there to protest (believe me it was obvious). People were nice and gave them water. Then, a few minutes into the speech, they did their thing and were escorted to the gate. Trump didn’t flinch. I honestly expected more vitriol.
It was a short speech, but he used one line I hadn’t heard before, something to the effect of “For a while anyway, I’m the kinda guy we need. For a while is all I’m saying.”
He’s giving people a good excuse: “In 2020 or 2024 we can go back to voting for sober statesmen types, but, desperate times. . . just for a while, maybe we could use a bit of this east coast bull in a china shop type thing.”
Short form: No broken china very agile bull.
http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/the-buster-awards-bull-in-a-china-shop/
Before I had read that there were about 100 Trump haters blocking the road to the Arizona rally, I saw all the pictures. And the pictures made those 100 look like thousands. Nice try, media.
What irks me is that the Left is unable to protest without infringing upon other's rights. By blocking that road, those protesters where preventing people from using public roads. Additionally had an ambulance been trying to transport someone to the hospital, it would have been prevented which could have had catastrophic results. Additionally the initial roadblock could have resulted in accidents as high speed vehicles would have had to come to an unexpected stop. Their protest put people's lives in danger. Yet they are never held to account for this.Replies: @Jefferson, @Harry Baldwin
Apparently Trump is adept at spotting fakes and will only put his signature on the real ones.
Those hats are hideous. Why couldn’t he pick a more muted color, a maroon or something?
Have you seen Trump Tower. Muted? I don't think Trump knows that word.Replies: @Anonymous
Are you Jew for Trump or Jew for Cruz?Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew
They do seem to have a hard time stocking them. I placed my order on March 2nd, only just received it today.
But here you have a genius business man who's had 12 months to figure out how to source these things, and I had to buy a hat from a Bulgarian lady on the side of the road.
For the record, I like Donald a lot. Also for the record, the crowd was diverse for Arizona, and I stood next to a black university student at the rally. Behind me were four girls who were pretty obviously there to protest (believe me it was obvious). People were nice and gave them water. Then, a few minutes into the speech, they did their thing and were escorted to the gate. Trump didn't flinch. I honestly expected more vitriol.
It was a short speech, but he used one line I hadn't heard before, something to the effect of "For a while anyway, I'm the kinda guy we need. For a while is all I'm saying."
He's giving people a good excuse: "In 2020 or 2024 we can go back to voting for sober statesmen types, but, desperate times. . . just for a while, maybe we could use a bit of this east coast bull in a china shop type thing."Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Andrew E., @CK, @Mike1
“For a while anyway, I’m the kinda guy we need. For a while is all I’m saying.”
I call that the Diminishing Marginal Utility theory. Trump’s way of saying that is a lot more comprehensible.
Those hats are hideous. Why couldn’t he pick a more muted color, a maroon or something?
Have you seen Trump Tower. Muted? I don’t think Trump knows that word.
https://youtu.be/flIwCej5M4EReplies: @yaqub the mad scientist
Saw this when it came out. The stoner laugh gave me the willies as a kid.
“Those hats are hideous. Why couldn’t he pick a more muted color, a maroon or something?
Are you Jew for Trump or Jew for Cruz?
The only decent manufacturing jobs are those that turn raw materials into parts...otherwise, all the rest of manufacturing jobs should stay overseas.
Trump if elected should just concentrate on stopping illegal immigration via a wall, drones etc, and stopping visa overstays and just stop almost all work visas.
As for healtcare, the fed govt should just force healthcare to computerize its records and force them to be transparent with their price data. That, along with health insurance deregulation, should help a lot.Replies: @TangoMan, @jackmcg, @rod1963, @Harry Baldwin, @Dave Pinsen
I’d be OK with a Trump trade policy which brought manufacturing back to the US so that the factories were designed as Dark Factories. Decrease the number of jobs but the jobs that are retained pay better because there is more responsibility attached to them. I’d be OK with investment dollars being funneled into robotics – jobs for the robot makers, jobs for the repairmen, jobs for the people constructing the factory, jobs for the upstream and downstream transportation people moving materials in and products out. The activity of manufacturing here will create jobs. We don’t need people actually soldering motherboards together at piecemeal pay rates. (Yeah, I know motherboards are made via automated processes, but still.)
Putting a flat 20 percent tariff on all imported electronics would create a lot of jobs. Yes, it would mean prices would go up and the rate of improvements slow down, but not as much as people think. Apple would drop prices before tariff so that the overall cost would go up perhaps ten percent, and their profits would drop some. That would be tragic, right?Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @map
Steve, which Trump hat(s) do you have?
I guess this is why my husband has yet to receive his hat which he ordered a few days before the Florida primary…
A co-worker of his showed up at work with a knock-off Asian hat for which everyone made fun of him. My husband promptly ordered one so he can take it up there to make fun of him some more. Good thing he kept the order a secret.
From the photos I saw there were several dozen vehicles crammed on the highway. At first glance, and from the headlines, it looked as if all those vehicles were protesting Trump. But if you looked closely you could see that it was 2 cars parked across the road blocking all the traffic. All the other cars were regular people who were being blocked.
What irks me is that the Left is unable to protest without infringing upon other’s rights. By blocking that road, those protesters where preventing people from using public roads. Additionally had an ambulance been trying to transport someone to the hospital, it would have been prevented which could have had catastrophic results. Additionally the initial roadblock could have resulted in accidents as high speed vehicles would have had to come to an unexpected stop. Their protest put people’s lives in danger. Yet they are never held to account for this.
Social Justice Warrior Millennials are quite violent for a group that has very low gun ownership. Can you imagine how even more violent Social Justice Warrior Millennials would be if they had gun ownership rates equal to that of Rednecks and Hillbillies.
If Social Justice Warrior Millennial Tommy DiMassimo was a gun owner, he would likely be trying to shoot politicians he disagrees with instead of trying to tackle them to the ground.
Social Justice Warrior Millennials would be using guns to shut down freedom of speech they disagree with, if they were 2nd Amendment supporters.
“Dead Man’s Curve” is a real thing in LA? It’s from Jan and Dean or the Beach Boys right?
One thing the free traitors are going to have to accept is that China cannot continue to bogart the lion’s share of factories. Even if we can’t bring much of the work back to the US, we will have to find ways to build factories in Africa or risk the continued exodus.
Though Africa is not ready for high end manufacturing, they should be making the rudimentary items that are currently being done in China. I know it is cheaper to make everything in China and bulk ship it around the world. But the Africans should be getting more work to help develop the place. Even if it ends up costing more to manufacture, it will save us in the long run if those nations can improve themselves and somehow stem the flow of humanity coming out of them.
However, maybe factory work and the prosperity it brings will tone down their birth rate.
I can't find the original online anywhere, but those balanced trade economists I've mentioned here a bunch of times quote from it and blog about it here: http://www.idealtaxes.com/post3173.shtmlReplies: @Clyde, @Anonymous
India has a tradition of building obsolete but (sort of) decently made goods-those nice 1930s style aluminum fans, Royal Enfield motorcycles, Listeroid diesel engines-but I suspect that even with their low labor costs they aren't terribly profitable. I knew an idealistic guy who went over there with the idea of getting them to make vacuum tube electronics for hobbyists and audiophiles and he came back with his tail between his legs.Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @epebble
Great idea from another poster–
When the protesters start acting out Trump should say, “Hillary will you please stop sending your people to my rallies”
“tchotchkes”
How about getting them made in Eastern Europe where they make words that look like that already?
But here you have a genius business man who's had 12 months to figure out how to source these things, and I had to buy a hat from a Bulgarian lady on the side of the road.
For the record, I like Donald a lot. Also for the record, the crowd was diverse for Arizona, and I stood next to a black university student at the rally. Behind me were four girls who were pretty obviously there to protest (believe me it was obvious). People were nice and gave them water. Then, a few minutes into the speech, they did their thing and were escorted to the gate. Trump didn't flinch. I honestly expected more vitriol.
It was a short speech, but he used one line I hadn't heard before, something to the effect of "For a while anyway, I'm the kinda guy we need. For a while is all I'm saying."
He's giving people a good excuse: "In 2020 or 2024 we can go back to voting for sober statesmen types, but, desperate times. . . just for a while, maybe we could use a bit of this east coast bull in a china shop type thing."Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Andrew E., @CK, @Mike1
Tonsil,
Actually Trump said something very similar back in Clear Lake, IA during that now infamous takedown of Ben Carson the day before the Paris Attacks. He even expanded on it slightly, dabbling, you might dare say in a bit of political philosophy. Quoting from memory:
“Hillary said she doesn’t like my tone. Jeb said the same thing. I tell you what, don’t worry about it folks. We can go back to the guys with the nice easy tone later but let me straighten things out first and then I promise I’ll leave you alone. And then you’ll go and blow it all for the next 20 years and you’ll get someone else like me in there again.”
We were in Tucson, on the floor in front of the podium. The whole rally was very last minute – announced the day before. There was, weirdly, an anime convention also at the Tucson Convention Center, so there were some cos-players milling about. Made for some interesting pics.
The protesters were marching around and beating drums, but we got there early before they really got going. By the time we went through security they were outside the doors screaming “Shut it down.” The crowd was for the most part low-key, and you could definitely tell who the protesters were going to be. There were two punk-rock dressed girls with a folded up sign that were standing off to one side on the floor. After Trump got to the stage they started waving their sign, and a huge veteran (he raised his hand when one of the speakers before Trump asked how many vets there were) ripped the sign out of their hands and kept it.
There were a bunch of protesters seated behind the podium with anti-Trump / BLM signs that refused to leave for a long time, but overall the police/security were good about getting them out of there. The biggest thing was of course the one protester getting beaten pretty bad by a black man in the audience. He and his female counterpart were on the floor near us, and the guy looked very nervous before they started doing their protesting. The girl put on a KKK cap and was wearing it while they were escorted out. Some are saying the black guy might have been a false flag, but Tucson’s (small) black population is largely military, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he was a real Trump supporter. Most of the people selling Trump swag outside were black, weirdly.
Towards the end of the speech Trump brought a latina on stage who had a “Latinos for Trump” sign, which everybody loved. After the speech was over we went out the back entrance, and the protests near the front entrance wen ton for a long time. A lot of Native people and Latinos, as well as whites, but for the most part the Trump supporters ignored them as they left – no scuffles that we could see. Very different environment than Chicago.
Though Africa is not ready for high end manufacturing, they should be making the rudimentary items that are currently being done in China. I know it is cheaper to make everything in China and bulk ship it around the world. But the Africans should be getting more work to help develop the place. Even if it ends up costing more to manufacture, it will save us in the long run if those nations can improve themselves and somehow stem the flow of humanity coming out of them.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Dave Pinsen, @Former Darfur, @BB753, @Cracker, @IA, @IA
Unfortunately, a rising economy just sends more of their boats here. They get a taste of the good life, and want more.
However, maybe factory work and the prosperity it brings will tone down their birth rate.
What irks me is that the Left is unable to protest without infringing upon other's rights. By blocking that road, those protesters where preventing people from using public roads. Additionally had an ambulance been trying to transport someone to the hospital, it would have been prevented which could have had catastrophic results. Additionally the initial roadblock could have resulted in accidents as high speed vehicles would have had to come to an unexpected stop. Their protest put people's lives in danger. Yet they are never held to account for this.Replies: @Jefferson, @Harry Baldwin
“What irks me is that the Left is unable to protest without infringing upon other’s rights. By blocking that road, those protesters where preventing people from using public roads. Additionally had an ambulance been trying to transport someone to the hospital, it would have been prevented which could have had catastrophic results. Additionally the initial roadblock could have resulted in accidents as high speed vehicles would have had to come to an unexpected stop. Their protest put people’s lives in danger. Yet they are never held to account for this.”
Social Justice Warrior Millennials are quite violent for a group that has very low gun ownership. Can you imagine how even more violent Social Justice Warrior Millennials would be if they had gun ownership rates equal to that of Rednecks and Hillbillies.
If Social Justice Warrior Millennial Tommy DiMassimo was a gun owner, he would likely be trying to shoot politicians he disagrees with instead of trying to tackle them to the ground.
Social Justice Warrior Millennials would be using guns to shut down freedom of speech they disagree with, if they were 2nd Amendment supporters.
Have you seen his apartment? It looks like the emperor’s palace in Dune.
You think you’d be happier about Trump, he’s essentially running the Sailer Strategy to get elected. Are the digressions about the left not being happy when they have to actually hold power a Freudian projection on the alt right actually being tested in the real world?
Steve is a Cruz man
The only decent manufacturing jobs are those that turn raw materials into parts...otherwise, all the rest of manufacturing jobs should stay overseas.
Trump if elected should just concentrate on stopping illegal immigration via a wall, drones etc, and stopping visa overstays and just stop almost all work visas.
As for healtcare, the fed govt should just force healthcare to computerize its records and force them to be transparent with their price data. That, along with health insurance deregulation, should help a lot.Replies: @TangoMan, @jackmcg, @rod1963, @Harry Baldwin, @Dave Pinsen
If U.S. entrepreneurs can’t find a way to make goofy oversized sunglasses profitable at $25/unit using U.S. workers then our problems go much deeper than trade policy.
Seems like something a GOP consultant would suggest. “Gee Mitt, lets mute this so it doesn’t stand out as much. People might notice it”. Let Trump be Trump, he’s winning for a reason.
And as if the color isn't bad enough, the front is foam! Egads, foam!? Now he's just mocking us.
Trump hat is $25. I’d guess a lot of that is profit.
http://shop.donaldjtrump.com/product-p/dtc-odtrh-rd.htm?gclid=CjwKEAjw8bO3BRDp0bP_vL-7_lASJACL_d6wdl_7n99eq1E_2uY3CZcRHbBhZClYaAyjII2xpxdjrxoCfkHw_wcB
If you google baseball caps american made there are apparently a lot of manufacturers that have managed to stay in business.
They couldn’t do that if their product was very much more expensive than imports..
Re: Scott Baio:
Trump is going to seriously overperform with Italian-Americans. Many of them like both his politics and his style. One group that’s not going to like Trump’s style nearly as much, regardless of what they think about his politics, are his fellow German-Americans.
Will do poorly in Madison.Replies: @Jefferson
http://www.sltrib.com/news/3683983-155/new-poll-shows-ted-cruz-with
Mormons descend from New England Puritans:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/mormons-as-conservative-new-england/Replies: @Glossy, @Wilkey
The only decent manufacturing jobs are those that turn raw materials into parts...otherwise, all the rest of manufacturing jobs should stay overseas.
Trump if elected should just concentrate on stopping illegal immigration via a wall, drones etc, and stopping visa overstays and just stop almost all work visas.
As for healtcare, the fed govt should just force healthcare to computerize its records and force them to be transparent with their price data. That, along with health insurance deregulation, should help a lot.Replies: @TangoMan, @jackmcg, @rod1963, @Harry Baldwin, @Dave Pinsen
Your solution is a giant FU to the white blue collar and Middle-class to go off and die because you and a lot of others can’t be bothered to be concerned with the country and people because it might cost you a bit. It’s essentially the same argument TNR Kevin Williams proposes. Whites need to get over their need to survive and just die out because of globalization.
Problem is those folks have had it up to hear with the white professional class who think like this. This is why they rebelled against the GOP repuke candidates and went for Trump.
The other thing is, free trade has hollowed out country, our economy is a puffed up joke kept afloat by Wall Street slight of hand and a overheated real-estate market, a over sized military to threaten other nations. Take away our military and we are a super sized version of Greece or Mexico.
Even in technology we’re a joke, we do some design work here in the U.S. but everything else is in China from PCB manufacturing. IC production to latest generation Apple, IBM and HP computers and handhelds.
We used to do it all. I remember when we did make everything and people did a lot better than they do now.
Now we don’t even have enough jobs for our STEM workers. 75% of Silicon Valley workers are foreign born. Even if you fired all of them, there isn’t enough work for all our STEM workers anymore because the tech base is in China or South Korea.
We either bring manufacturing and tech back or we perish. Even now our consumer purchasing power is shrinking rapidly as people lack the income to buy all that Chinese made junk. Why is it shrinking? Because they’re working in the service sector that pays shit. Instead of working in a factory that paid $20 a hour plus bennies, they get a job at Wal-Mart that pays $9 a hour for less than 28 hours of work a week with no benefits.
It won’t end well, especially for the white urban professional class who has the most to lose if things aren’t rectified and soon.
The late 18th century French equivalent to the 1% got to run the table for 25 years, after Louis XVI came to the throne and cancelled the death-bed-change-of-heart reforms that Louis XV had been pushing at the end.
Two things did them in. The main thing is that the French government's financial situation became so bad that they couldn't sell even their short term debt anymore. This meant there was no alternative to calling the Estates in to try to range the money, but also there was no money to pay the foreign mercenaries who would have normally been used to crush revolts. The second factor was that they decided they didn't need the granaries that stored surplus grain, to feed the peasants after bad harvest seasons. In 1788 they got a bad harvest season.
They couldn't do that if their product was very much more expensive than imports..Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
The wonderful thing about the tarriff is that it’d make foreign imports more expensive, so US manufacturers would have an adavantage.
Trump is going to seriously overperform with Italian-Americans. Many of them like both his politics and his style. One group that's not going to like Trump's style nearly as much, regardless of what they think about his politics, are his fellow German-Americans.Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Anonymous, @Jefferson
I predict that Trump will do very well in Staten Island, South Philadelphia, and Northeast Boston.
Will do poorly in Madison.
Will do poorly in Madison."
Also parts of New Jersey, Connecticut, and Rhode Island where there are a lot of Italians.
Chachi Loves Tchotchkes.
Trump is going to seriously overperform with Italian-Americans. Many of them like both his politics and his style. One group that's not going to like Trump's style nearly as much, regardless of what they think about his politics, are his fellow German-Americans.Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Anonymous, @Jefferson
He seems to do worst with Mormons, who favor not just Cruz but Kasich significantly over Trump:
http://www.sltrib.com/news/3683983-155/new-poll-shows-ted-cruz-with
Mormons descend from New England Puritans:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/mormons-as-conservative-new-england/
And that's why Donald Trump in persona non grata in Utah (and large parts of Idaho and Arizona) - thank God.Replies: @Anonymous
Have you seen Trump Tower. Muted? I don't think Trump knows that word.Replies: @Anonymous
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12195239/Donald-Trump-What-his-butler-saw.html
Will do poorly in Madison.Replies: @Jefferson
“I predict that Trump will do very well in Staten Island, South Philadelphia, and Northeast Boston.
Will do poorly in Madison.”
Also parts of New Jersey, Connecticut, and Rhode Island where there are a lot of Italians.
The only decent manufacturing jobs are those that turn raw materials into parts...otherwise, all the rest of manufacturing jobs should stay overseas.
Trump if elected should just concentrate on stopping illegal immigration via a wall, drones etc, and stopping visa overstays and just stop almost all work visas.
As for healtcare, the fed govt should just force healthcare to computerize its records and force them to be transparent with their price data. That, along with health insurance deregulation, should help a lot.Replies: @TangoMan, @jackmcg, @rod1963, @Harry Baldwin, @Dave Pinsen
When it came to his healthcare plan, one thing Obama didn’t want to talk about was tort reform. Of course, the trial lawyers are one of the biggest pro-Democrat lobbies. Maybe with a president who’s not beholden to them we could get tort reform?
Obviously its a a pipe dream to bring back highly labour-intensive jobs producing cheap clothes and electronic. However, it’s getting to the stage where even things like paint, adhesives and skin care products are being made in China, Thailand etc.
A low flat tariff on all imports would at least help indebted countries like the US balance their books without having to introduce even higher rates of income tax and GST.
The half ass iCuck thing is getting tiresome. Man up and write a proper refutation of Trump or shut up; keep to the fringe golf course bits, with pygmy hbd omg. And of course, toe the line of your (((patron.)))
What irks me is that the Left is unable to protest without infringing upon other's rights. By blocking that road, those protesters where preventing people from using public roads. Additionally had an ambulance been trying to transport someone to the hospital, it would have been prevented which could have had catastrophic results. Additionally the initial roadblock could have resulted in accidents as high speed vehicles would have had to come to an unexpected stop. Their protest put people's lives in danger. Yet they are never held to account for this.Replies: @Jefferson, @Harry Baldwin
Yes, it’s bad when Chris Christie does it but okay when anti-Trumpers or Black Lives Matter do.
Well, maybe that’s a good thing that the hats carry a steep price as they’re made in US. Can you imagine Hillary’s campaign making hay out of “He claims to want to make America great again, but his own campaign gear is made in China!” And with that shrieking cackle in between fits of coughing and barking? Can you see the ads being run all summer? “He wants to do great things for us, but he outsourced your jobs for hat making to China!”
I can see the ads. I’m sure her opposition research team has already looked into that possibility and realized “Damn! He’s actually making them all here! Can’t use it vs him.” Maybe Trump is serious about this manufacturing issue after all and if he’s not directly profiting off of the merch. I mean, steaks and water are one thing but hats made in China saying “MAGA”? Wouldn’t look too good.
So the Chach-meister is still around, good for him.
The protesters were marching around and beating drums, but we got there early before they really got going. By the time we went through security they were outside the doors screaming "Shut it down." The crowd was for the most part low-key, and you could definitely tell who the protesters were going to be. There were two punk-rock dressed girls with a folded up sign that were standing off to one side on the floor. After Trump got to the stage they started waving their sign, and a huge veteran (he raised his hand when one of the speakers before Trump asked how many vets there were) ripped the sign out of their hands and kept it.
There were a bunch of protesters seated behind the podium with anti-Trump / BLM signs that refused to leave for a long time, but overall the police/security were good about getting them out of there. The biggest thing was of course the one protester getting beaten pretty bad by a black man in the audience. He and his female counterpart were on the floor near us, and the guy looked very nervous before they started doing their protesting. The girl put on a KKK cap and was wearing it while they were escorted out. Some are saying the black guy might have been a false flag, but Tucson's (small) black population is largely military, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was a real Trump supporter. Most of the people selling Trump swag outside were black, weirdly.
Towards the end of the speech Trump brought a latina on stage who had a "Latinos for Trump" sign, which everybody loved. After the speech was over we went out the back entrance, and the protests near the front entrance wen ton for a long time. A lot of Native people and Latinos, as well as whites, but for the most part the Trump supporters ignored them as they left - no scuffles that we could see. Very different environment than Chicago.Replies: @Vendetta, @AndrewR
Thanks for sharing. I was at the Chicago one, glad yours didn’t get shut down.
Trump is going to seriously overperform with Italian-Americans. Many of them like both his politics and his style. One group that's not going to like Trump's style nearly as much, regardless of what they think about his politics, are his fellow German-Americans.Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Anonymous, @Jefferson
“Re: Scott Baio:
Trump is going to seriously overperform with Italian-Americans. Many of them like both his politics and his style. One group that’s not going to like Trump’s style nearly as much, regardless of what they think about his politics, are his fellow German-Americans.”
How do you think Donald Trump will fare with the Cajuns and the Polacks?
OT, just some random ethnoracial politics in Chicago:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/daughter-of-state-rep-charged-in-alleged-staple-gun-attack-on-political-opponent/ar-BBqDxXn?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=SL5DDHP
Is LA half as interesting?
Christie has got a weight problem.
Too much high-carb pasta.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8XfthZaKgc
Trump will win goomba vote.
The only decent manufacturing jobs are those that turn raw materials into parts...otherwise, all the rest of manufacturing jobs should stay overseas.
Trump if elected should just concentrate on stopping illegal immigration via a wall, drones etc, and stopping visa overstays and just stop almost all work visas.
As for healtcare, the fed govt should just force healthcare to computerize its records and force them to be transparent with their price data. That, along with health insurance deregulation, should help a lot.Replies: @TangoMan, @jackmcg, @rod1963, @Harry Baldwin, @Dave Pinsen
Karl Denninger’s plan to cut healthcare costs by ~80% includes price transparency as one of its features: https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=212359
Though Africa is not ready for high end manufacturing, they should be making the rudimentary items that are currently being done in China. I know it is cheaper to make everything in China and bulk ship it around the world. But the Africans should be getting more work to help develop the place. Even if it ends up costing more to manufacture, it will save us in the long run if those nations can improve themselves and somehow stem the flow of humanity coming out of them.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Dave Pinsen, @Former Darfur, @BB753, @Cracker, @IA, @IA
Andy Grove, former Intel chief and engineer extraordinaire, had a great Fortune essay on the problem with outsourcing “commodity” product manufacturing to China (“abandoning today’s ‘commodity’ manufacturing can lock you out of tomorrow’s emerging industry”).
I can’t find the original online anywhere, but those balanced trade economists I’ve mentioned here a bunch of times quote from it and blog about it here: http://www.idealtaxes.com/post3173.shtml
Commentary on it http://www.cnet.com/news/why-andy-grove-is-right/#!Replies: @Dave Pinsen
Grove was a businessman, not an engineer.Replies: @Dave Pinsen
You’d think David Frum would be happy too. He’s not. Dislikes the messenger more than he likes the message, I guess. Same with Dougherty and others.
I can't find the original online anywhere, but those balanced trade economists I've mentioned here a bunch of times quote from it and blog about it here: http://www.idealtaxes.com/post3173.shtmlReplies: @Clyde, @Anonymous
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2010-07-01/andy-grove-how-america-can-create-jobs
Commentary on it http://www.cnet.com/news/why-andy-grove-is-right/#!
Thanks for the link. They saved the best for last:
Commentary on it http://www.cnet.com/news/why-andy-grove-is-right/#!Replies: @Dave Pinsen
Thanks, Clyde. As good as I remember it. Excerpt that expands on the point about the importance of manufacturing cheap stuff:
Taiwan is a super tech powerhouse. They were making laptops for Dell, HP and others 15 years ago. Now they design the tablets, laptops, smartphones in house in Taiwan and the manufacturing is done in China by their factories there such as Foxconn. Taiwanese owned.
http://www.fingleton.net/the-japanese-electronics-industry-a-rebuttal/
"A typical area of Japanese leadership that is completely overlooked by the declinists is the battery industry. It happens to be one of the fastest growing sectors of the global electronics industry. Batteries may seem like an old technology, but the sort of batteries that used in cellphones and laptops, not to mention hybrid cars, are a world away from traditional alkaline or acid batteries. Today’s nickel-metal hydride batteries, for instance, require super-advanced manufacturing techniques. As Fareed Zakaria has pointed out, eight of the world’s top ten battery manufacturers are based in Japan (and only one, Johnson Controls, is based in the United States)."Replies: @Brutusale
http://www.sltrib.com/news/3683983-155/new-poll-shows-ted-cruz-with
Mormons descend from New England Puritans:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/mormons-as-conservative-new-england/Replies: @Glossy, @Wilkey
Yes, and Trump came third in the Minnesota primary. The Jante Law – same kind of mentality. The first implicitly White candidate of modern times with a shot at winning rubs the Whitest Americans the wrong way. To a large extent it’s the gold faucets and the I’m-really-rich, you’re-a-bunch-of-losers stuff.
Trump wears a white hat when he’s in a good mood and a red hat when he’s in a bad mood.
I think this should be made clear before any further discussion proceeds on topics related to Trump.
Running and maintaining pick and place and surface mount reflow machines provides good jobs for people not capable of being engineers but who can show up on time and pay attention and can follow printed instructions. You also need sustaining engineers, rework operators and bench techs to keep things going.
Putting a flat 20 percent tariff on all imported electronics would create a lot of jobs. Yes, it would mean prices would go up and the rate of improvements slow down, but not as much as people think. Apple would drop prices before tariff so that the overall cost would go up perhaps ten percent, and their profits would drop some. That would be tragic, right?
The reason is that businesses face downward-sloping demand curves. At any price point, prices are already optimized. Think of it this way: if the price could really go that high, then don't you think the company would already be charging it? Would any firm really discount an optimized by as much as 35%? Of course not.
To maintain revenues, companies will eat a large percentage of the tariff until the labor arbitrage is no longer profitable.
China will just have to learn what the US learned after WWI: it does not pay to be the world's biggest exporter.
Though Africa is not ready for high end manufacturing, they should be making the rudimentary items that are currently being done in China. I know it is cheaper to make everything in China and bulk ship it around the world. But the Africans should be getting more work to help develop the place. Even if it ends up costing more to manufacture, it will save us in the long run if those nations can improve themselves and somehow stem the flow of humanity coming out of them.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Dave Pinsen, @Former Darfur, @BB753, @Cracker, @IA, @IA
It has been done a little-there are or were VW and Peugeot plants in Africa-but the combination of extreme government corruption and a largely stupid workforce makes it unappealing to go there.
India has a tradition of building obsolete but (sort of) decently made goods-those nice 1930s style aluminum fans, Royal Enfield motorcycles, Listeroid diesel engines-but I suspect that even with their low labor costs they aren’t terribly profitable. I knew an idealistic guy who went over there with the idea of getting them to make vacuum tube electronics for hobbyists and audiophiles and he came back with his tail between his legs.
Innovating to make the world a better place https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5sUYlWDg3g
#MakeMarsGreatAgain
Still think a major space exploration project could catapult White support of Trump past the 60 percent mark and be a spur for high tech industry. Revivify the high point of American nostalgia and engineering/exploratory brilliance.
A Mars Mission is the final piece of the puzzle.
India has a tradition of building obsolete but (sort of) decently made goods-those nice 1930s style aluminum fans, Royal Enfield motorcycles, Listeroid diesel engines-but I suspect that even with their low labor costs they aren't terribly profitable. I knew an idealistic guy who went over there with the idea of getting them to make vacuum tube electronics for hobbyists and audiophiles and he came back with his tail between his legs.Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @epebble
When manufacturing high-end products, you’re better off doing it in a first world country. VPI, for example, makes its expensive turntables in New Jersey.
My sister did bring back some nice sandlewood soap from India once though.
It’s funny, the first time I rolled around dead mans curve, I thought, “this is a curve designed to kill people,” having no idea it was the famed curve. It would be worth shutting down Sunset to get that curve graded correctly. Whomever allowed it should have been shot.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/34.047822,+-118.509905/34.050192,-118.511687/@34.0427226,-118.5111004,15z/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!4m4!1m2!1m1!1s0x0:0x0!1m0
There TV movie about them was called "Deadman's Curve: The Jan & Dean Story" (1978):
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FRrwhEF1czc
Huh. I thought it was because folks in Minnesoata are some of the most liberal in the country and would flock to the Rubio camp seeing a how he’s nothing but a liberal in tacky boots.
Trump’s opinions have clearly never changed, I wonder if he ever had a conversation with Sir James Goldsmith on the matter.
A friend does manufacturing in Africa, low quality is fine but you have all the corruption, delays and the workforce is a pain to manage,
Putting a flat 20 percent tariff on all imported electronics would create a lot of jobs. Yes, it would mean prices would go up and the rate of improvements slow down, but not as much as people think. Apple would drop prices before tariff so that the overall cost would go up perhaps ten percent, and their profits would drop some. That would be tragic, right?Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @map
If the price of imported electronics went up significantly, might this not provide the incentive for an appliance repair industry? I hate throwing things out because of what are probably small repairable problems, but the cost of repair is so much higher thatn that of replacement, that’s what I often end up doing.
In 2009 we replaced the kitchen range. It was new when the house was built ... in 1969. 40 year life span from a daily use appliance; not a lot of upselling opportunity when your product can expect to have a 40 year useful life.Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Former Darfur
Still think a major space exploration project could catapult White support of Trump past the 60 percent mark and be a spur for high tech industry. Revivify the high point of American nostalgia and engineering/exploratory brilliance.
A Mars Mission is the final piece of the puzzle.Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Anonymous
It would take longer to write the Environmental Impact Statement for a manned Mars mission (pointless in my opinion-robot explorers do just fine) than it took the U.S. to go to the Moon in the 1960s. The country has changed, and not for the better.
You’re right, Dave. Americans don’t have the capability to make a large number of hats anymore. Hat-making in America is really just a cottage industry. It would take months to ramp up American hat-manufacturing capability and for what? If Trump loses, the hat makers would be sunk.
I worked as an engineer at Motorola in the 1980s and I can assure you that there was more to electronics manufacturing than that. The Asian countries had a coherent trade policy since 1980 to ensure that they eventually controlled that industry.
Now you’re catching on.
The protesters were marching around and beating drums, but we got there early before they really got going. By the time we went through security they were outside the doors screaming "Shut it down." The crowd was for the most part low-key, and you could definitely tell who the protesters were going to be. There were two punk-rock dressed girls with a folded up sign that were standing off to one side on the floor. After Trump got to the stage they started waving their sign, and a huge veteran (he raised his hand when one of the speakers before Trump asked how many vets there were) ripped the sign out of their hands and kept it.
There were a bunch of protesters seated behind the podium with anti-Trump / BLM signs that refused to leave for a long time, but overall the police/security were good about getting them out of there. The biggest thing was of course the one protester getting beaten pretty bad by a black man in the audience. He and his female counterpart were on the floor near us, and the guy looked very nervous before they started doing their protesting. The girl put on a KKK cap and was wearing it while they were escorted out. Some are saying the black guy might have been a false flag, but Tucson's (small) black population is largely military, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was a real Trump supporter. Most of the people selling Trump swag outside were black, weirdly.
Towards the end of the speech Trump brought a latina on stage who had a "Latinos for Trump" sign, which everybody loved. After the speech was over we went out the back entrance, and the protests near the front entrance wen ton for a long time. A lot of Native people and Latinos, as well as whites, but for the most part the Trump supporters ignored them as they left - no scuffles that we could see. Very different environment than Chicago.Replies: @Vendetta, @AndrewR
Um… How could you tell the non-Latino Natives and non-Latino whites from the Latinos???
Also some of the Native people literally had feathers in their hair.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2016/03/illegals_had_rap_sheetsReplies: @AndrewR
But here you have a genius business man who's had 12 months to figure out how to source these things, and I had to buy a hat from a Bulgarian lady on the side of the road.
For the record, I like Donald a lot. Also for the record, the crowd was diverse for Arizona, and I stood next to a black university student at the rally. Behind me were four girls who were pretty obviously there to protest (believe me it was obvious). People were nice and gave them water. Then, a few minutes into the speech, they did their thing and were escorted to the gate. Trump didn't flinch. I honestly expected more vitriol.
It was a short speech, but he used one line I hadn't heard before, something to the effect of "For a while anyway, I'm the kinda guy we need. For a while is all I'm saying."
He's giving people a good excuse: "In 2020 or 2024 we can go back to voting for sober statesmen types, but, desperate times. . . just for a while, maybe we could use a bit of this east coast bull in a china shop type thing."Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Andrew E., @CK, @Mike1
It is educational to watch the Mythbusters episode of the bull in the china shop.
Short form: No broken china very agile bull.
http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/the-buster-awards-bull-in-a-china-shop/
If it is not worth your time to repair a “small repairable problem” why do you expect that it will be a superb business opportunity for someone else? There are 4 appliance repair firms in my small town of 50,000. They charge approx. $85 an hour plus parts for any repair. So if some appliance that I own goes awry, I know the minimum cost me to have it fixed. If I can replace it for less than $85, repair is uneconomic, irrational and foolish.
In 2009 we replaced the kitchen range. It was new when the house was built … in 1969. 40 year life span from a daily use appliance; not a lot of upselling opportunity when your product can expect to have a 40 year useful life.
The only NEW washer you can buy anymore that's any good is the Staber, which you have to order online and which has some definite quirks.Replies: @MarkinLA
Right, I purchased a Trump hat from his website for over $30.00 delivered but then got a much better one for 7.98 delivered off of Ebay.
But Cruz, as an ideologue, is the antithesis of the Sailer Strategy. Reliance on an increasing percentage of the white vote for GOP victory implies ideological moderation, and a pragmatic nationalist program to rebuild a gutted Middle America.
Haters, hatters, what’s the difference?
The big point that free-traders miss: An advanced industrial economy doesn’t simply arise ex nihilo; it must be fostered through specific public policies.
If all that quaint stuff about public works, tariffs, and patents was taught, and taught effectively when discussing 19th century history, people would get this. Yeah, it's boring, but with the pickle we're in right now, enterprising teachers could really make that stuff come alive. Most don't have the brains and imagination for it, though, at least where I grew up, where all of them had "coach" in front of their names.
Trump threatens to derail their gravy-train, which is why he must be destroyed at all costs.
Was also at the Phoenix rally. Was surprised by the amount of young people there as well. It was a good event, and seeing Trump in person gives you an idea that he’s going to win this big.
The impressions of Jeb and Hillary and Cruz were spot on tho even as they were kill shots, especially Cruz with his Bible.
“Dead Man’s Curve” that Jan & Dean made famous:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/34.047822,+-118.509905/34.050192,-118.511687/@34.0427226,-118.5111004,15z/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!4m4!1m2!1m1!1s0x0:0x0!1m0
There TV movie about them was called “Deadman’s Curve: The Jan & Dean Story” (1978):
Still think a major space exploration project could catapult White support of Trump past the 60 percent mark and be a spur for high tech industry. Revivify the high point of American nostalgia and engineering/exploratory brilliance.
A Mars Mission is the final piece of the puzzle.Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Anonymous
Private space companies like SpaceX and Bezos’s Blue Origin have made more progress in the last 5 years towards reusable rocketry and space exploration than NASA has for decades. A new government program would retard progress in this area.
I can't find the original online anywhere, but those balanced trade economists I've mentioned here a bunch of times quote from it and blog about it here: http://www.idealtaxes.com/post3173.shtmlReplies: @Clyde, @Anonymous
Andy Grove, former Intel chief and engineer extraordinaire
Grove was a businessman, not an engineer.
It’s like asking if Clint Eastwood could do a romantic comedy. Not his style.
How about getting them made in Eastern Europe where they make words that look like that already?Replies: @SFG
Technically Yiddish is derived from German.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tchotchke#Etymology*ke is a slavic diminutive, and there's at least on tch too many even for german earsReplies: @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew, @theo the kraut
I can see the ads. I'm sure her opposition research team has already looked into that possibility and realized "Damn! He's actually making them all here! Can't use it vs him." Maybe Trump is serious about this manufacturing issue after all and if he's not directly profiting off of the merch. I mean, steaks and water are one thing but hats made in China saying "MAGA"? Wouldn't look too good.
So the Chach-meister is still around, good for him.Replies: @SFG
Yeah, I’d call it a cost of doing business.
Reminds me of the spat in Germany over lederhosen made in Romania to cut costs (I read Der Spiegel sometimes, in translation of course).
I always thought it was embarrassing how hard it was to get American flags made in the USA. I mean, you don’t need that many flags, you could pay a little more for one.
But here you have a genius business man who's had 12 months to figure out how to source these things, and I had to buy a hat from a Bulgarian lady on the side of the road.
For the record, I like Donald a lot. Also for the record, the crowd was diverse for Arizona, and I stood next to a black university student at the rally. Behind me were four girls who were pretty obviously there to protest (believe me it was obvious). People were nice and gave them water. Then, a few minutes into the speech, they did their thing and were escorted to the gate. Trump didn't flinch. I honestly expected more vitriol.
It was a short speech, but he used one line I hadn't heard before, something to the effect of "For a while anyway, I'm the kinda guy we need. For a while is all I'm saying."
He's giving people a good excuse: "In 2020 or 2024 we can go back to voting for sober statesmen types, but, desperate times. . . just for a while, maybe we could use a bit of this east coast bull in a china shop type thing."Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Andrew E., @CK, @Mike1
Those couple of lines were what really resonated with me from the speech. It means he actually is a pragmatist.
The utter lack of pretense at objectivity from media is astonishing. Forget hidden editorials we are getting screaming headlines that can only be described as lying. Protesters shutting down the highway in AZ was spun as “Trump rally violence”. It’s just bizarre.
The NYT has been running headlines that sound like the Huffington Post. The Washington Post has descended into a farce of SJW stories.
There is literally no somewhat objective, sober source of news anymore. Every story everywhere is an opinion piece and usually to the point of absurdity.
On a separate topic I was at Fountain Hills yesterday and heard something interesting. I walked by three young, bored looking African Americans. They were wearing NAACP t-shirts. One of them said “I don’t know I was just told to be here” and shrugged his shoulders. I don’t know what the question was but it is a good hint of how organic these protests are.
Steve was obviously kidding, but yes, fair trade (AKA, “protectionism”; in this case taxing Chinese goods to compensate for the lack of labor laws in China) would actually fix this problem.
Do they match that $100 figure you just pulled from your ass?
As Steve would say, Mormons are too worried about trying to blend in with 1960s America to back Trump.
Jews are probably the least likely to find Trump’s style repellent (it’s his policies that repel them).
The one made in ’69 had a 40 year lifespan. I doubt the one you just bought will.
Tucson has tribal lands just outside city limits. The Native people look totally different from lowland Mexicans that immigrate here.
Also some of the Native people literally had feathers in their hair.
Though Africa is not ready for high end manufacturing, they should be making the rudimentary items that are currently being done in China. I know it is cheaper to make everything in China and bulk ship it around the world. But the Africans should be getting more work to help develop the place. Even if it ends up costing more to manufacture, it will save us in the long run if those nations can improve themselves and somehow stem the flow of humanity coming out of them.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Dave Pinsen, @Former Darfur, @BB753, @Cracker, @IA, @IA
Just stop all foreign aid to Africa. That should take care of their population growth. It won’t look pretty on tv, but there’s no other way.
Though Africa is not ready for high end manufacturing, they should be making the rudimentary items that are currently being done in China. I know it is cheaper to make everything in China and bulk ship it around the world. But the Africans should be getting more work to help develop the place. Even if it ends up costing more to manufacture, it will save us in the long run if those nations can improve themselves and somehow stem the flow of humanity coming out of them.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Dave Pinsen, @Former Darfur, @BB753, @Cracker, @IA, @IA
Good luck. Look what they did to Rhodesia and South Africa.
Problem is those folks have had it up to hear with the white professional class who think like this. This is why they rebelled against the GOP repuke candidates and went for Trump.
The other thing is, free trade has hollowed out country, our economy is a puffed up joke kept afloat by Wall Street slight of hand and a overheated real-estate market, a over sized military to threaten other nations. Take away our military and we are a super sized version of Greece or Mexico.
Even in technology we're a joke, we do some design work here in the U.S. but everything else is in China from PCB manufacturing. IC production to latest generation Apple, IBM and HP computers and handhelds.
We used to do it all. I remember when we did make everything and people did a lot better than they do now.
Now we don't even have enough jobs for our STEM workers. 75% of Silicon Valley workers are foreign born. Even if you fired all of them, there isn't enough work for all our STEM workers anymore because the tech base is in China or South Korea.
We either bring manufacturing and tech back or we perish. Even now our consumer purchasing power is shrinking rapidly as people lack the income to buy all that Chinese made junk. Why is it shrinking? Because they're working in the service sector that pays shit. Instead of working in a factory that paid $20 a hour plus bennies, they get a job at Wal-Mart that pays $9 a hour for less than 28 hours of work a week with no benefits.
It won't end well, especially for the white urban professional class who has the most to lose if things aren't rectified and soon.Replies: @Hunsdon, @Ed, @The SPY
Hear him, hear him.
Trump loves outsourcing, bailouts and Clinton.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/18/donald-trump-blog-trump-university/81965270/
But you can be king if you tell people what that want to hear:
http://youtu.be/V9EMrtuy4h8
If our host can be called a cuck, the word has become, like fascist, simply a descriptor for someone you don’t like.
I just meant those ain’t the sveltest soldiers I’ve ever seen, and thought of “Pulp Fiction” and went with it. I entirely agree about Chris Christie—-I think we need to get away from the “heart healthy whole grain” approach which has demonized fat, but that’s grist for another mill.
So, some white leftist idiot decided it would be a good idea to protest at a Trump rally wearing a KKK hood. And a black Trump supporter beat him up for it.
It’s like the left wants Trump to win. This will generate sympathy for Trump among white leftists, who are beholden to their knee-jerk responses, and their knee-jerk reaction to a white guy wearing a KKK hood getting beaten up by a black guy is, “she shouldn’t have worn that dress.” Hell, even without the black guy whupping his ass part, wearing a KKK hood (in the middle of a huge crowd) as a form of protest seems profoundly stupid.
I remember reading this when it came out. Grove was at Intel 30 years? He remembers when the computer components were made in America with a few made overseas. He saw all this off shoring going on. But back in his day it was Japan that was the leader in stealing our vital industries via trade wars and trade barriers. Also they had a gov’t agency MITI that coordinated Japanese industries to get established in important sectors then to climb up the technology ladder the way China is doing now. Japan is kind of enervated these days due to Fukishima, a blow to their pride, plus low birthrates. Actually Korea’s are lower but they are doing great in the tech world and business which is another blow to the Nips because they always feel superior to Koreans.
Taiwan is a super tech powerhouse. They were making laptops for Dell, HP and others 15 years ago. Now they design the tablets, laptops, smartphones in house in Taiwan and the manufacturing is done in China by their factories there such as Foxconn. Taiwanese owned.
The word originated to describe a conservative who ignores white interests qua white interests, and that’s pretty much what Steve has been telling the GOP not to do. So, no, he’s not a cuck.
But you don’t get to decide which industry (or which part of the production and value chain)you take back and so on, unless you’re willing to make a massive subsidy program to get exactly what you want. What you should be thinking about is which policy changes will mesh with the behavior and the incentives of the private actors for things to go the way you want them to. The minutiae of each company’s decision making process is outside the competency spectrum of the government. So, you slap a tariff on electronics. You don’t get to decide, unless you actively intervene and expend resources, whether company X comes back or company Y, or they place their factory in state Z or state W. That’s for them to figure out and for you to react to, in order to finetune your policies.
“Um… How could you tell the non-Latino Natives and non-Latino whites from the Latinos???”
He is going by phenotype. Have you ever been to Arizona? Not a lot of Hispanics in Arizona look like Megyn Kelly and Olivia Newton John.
You should go to a Mexican barrio in Phoenix or Tucson for example.
In 2009 we replaced the kitchen range. It was new when the house was built ... in 1969. 40 year life span from a daily use appliance; not a lot of upselling opportunity when your product can expect to have a 40 year useful life.Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Former Darfur
I took my mother’s Electrolux vacuum she’s had since the 1980s to the local janitorial supply/repair shop. Was ~$200. I asked the guy how much the model went for. He said about $3k. Built like a tank.
It’s a bit more complicated, because his citizenism means one should ignore white interests qua white interests and should instead support the interests of all the citizens as a whole. There’s a reason Steve doesn’t call himself a white nationalist but a citizenist. But yeah, that’s not what cucks are, who actively sell their race and ethnic group out.
And of course its really quite pathetic isn’t it, if our own flags are made in China. The meanings pretty clear and there’s nothing symbolic or figurative when “made in China” graces the label of our own US flag.
This.
Chinese and Mexican manufacturing is consistently (and sometimes violently) inferior, but effectively more than benefits from cheating. As Beth Macy demonstrates in “Factory Man,” when you compete with China, you are competing with all of China at once: all personal savings accounts pooled commonly, top level government attention, special legal permissions. So it never was free trade in any way, it always was hyper-protectionism for me and phony freedom for thee.
And exactly who benefits from cheap garbage that has to be replaced because it breaks? That “advantage” only ever made sense in terms of accumulations across the economy. When I was poor I still made a point of buying a more expensive American Rubbermaid tub that lasts forever and not a Chinese Homz rigid plastic box that fails in its function of being a box.
Eamonn Fingleton
http://www.fingleton.net/the-japanese-electronics-industry-a-rebuttal/
“A typical area of Japanese leadership that is completely overlooked by the declinists is the battery industry. It happens to be one of the fastest growing sectors of the global electronics industry. Batteries may seem like an old technology, but the sort of batteries that used in cellphones and laptops, not to mention hybrid cars, are a world away from traditional alkaline or acid batteries. Today’s nickel-metal hydride batteries, for instance, require super-advanced manufacturing techniques. As Fareed Zakaria has pointed out, eight of the world’s top ten battery manufacturers are based in Japan (and only one, Johnson Controls, is based in the United States).”
Sailer is obviously not cucked enough to be part of mainstream conservatism, but he’s too cucked to fully respect. He won’t even let us post famous JFK quotes that suggest that people do not have an endless capacity for pacifism.
Problem is those folks have had it up to hear with the white professional class who think like this. This is why they rebelled against the GOP repuke candidates and went for Trump.
The other thing is, free trade has hollowed out country, our economy is a puffed up joke kept afloat by Wall Street slight of hand and a overheated real-estate market, a over sized military to threaten other nations. Take away our military and we are a super sized version of Greece or Mexico.
Even in technology we're a joke, we do some design work here in the U.S. but everything else is in China from PCB manufacturing. IC production to latest generation Apple, IBM and HP computers and handhelds.
We used to do it all. I remember when we did make everything and people did a lot better than they do now.
Now we don't even have enough jobs for our STEM workers. 75% of Silicon Valley workers are foreign born. Even if you fired all of them, there isn't enough work for all our STEM workers anymore because the tech base is in China or South Korea.
We either bring manufacturing and tech back or we perish. Even now our consumer purchasing power is shrinking rapidly as people lack the income to buy all that Chinese made junk. Why is it shrinking? Because they're working in the service sector that pays shit. Instead of working in a factory that paid $20 a hour plus bennies, they get a job at Wal-Mart that pays $9 a hour for less than 28 hours of work a week with no benefits.
It won't end well, especially for the white urban professional class who has the most to lose if things aren't rectified and soon.Replies: @Hunsdon, @Ed, @The SPY
“Your solution is a giant FU to the white blue collar and Middle-class to go off and die because you and a lot of others can’t be bothered to be concerned with the country and people because it might cost you a bit. It’s essentially the same argument TNR Kevin Williams proposes. Whites need to get over their need to survive and just die out because of globalization.”
The late 18th century French equivalent to the 1% got to run the table for 25 years, after Louis XVI came to the throne and cancelled the death-bed-change-of-heart reforms that Louis XV had been pushing at the end.
Two things did them in. The main thing is that the French government’s financial situation became so bad that they couldn’t sell even their short term debt anymore. This meant there was no alternative to calling the Estates in to try to range the money, but also there was no money to pay the foreign mercenaries who would have normally been used to crush revolts. The second factor was that they decided they didn’t need the granaries that stored surplus grain, to feed the peasants after bad harvest seasons. In 1788 they got a bad harvest season.
The litmus test is that anyone who supports more non-white immigration into a majority white country is a cuck. Anything else can be argued in good faith.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/3683983-155/new-poll-shows-ted-cruz-with
Mormons descend from New England Puritans:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/mormons-as-conservative-new-england/Replies: @Glossy, @Wilkey
Google for “Mormon General Conference.” It’s the big conference held every six months (the next one is the first Sunday in April) where many of the top leaders (“general authorities”) of the Mormon Church speak to the flock, who watch it via satellite, internet, or whatever. The top leaders are all mostly 60+ years old, and mostly all men who had careers in business. Watch a few score hours worth of it and you’ll get a feel for the kind of leaders Mormons tend to find acceptable. “Charismatic” is not considered a compliment, needless to say. Mormons will occasionally vote for charismatic legislators, but when it comes to executives the word to keep in mind is “staid.”
And that’s why Donald Trump in persona non grata in Utah (and large parts of Idaho and Arizona) – thank God.
true, but many words are of slavic origin, as is eg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tchotchke#Etymology
*ke is a slavic diminutive, and there’s at least on tch too many even for german ears
India has a tradition of building obsolete but (sort of) decently made goods-those nice 1930s style aluminum fans, Royal Enfield motorcycles, Listeroid diesel engines-but I suspect that even with their low labor costs they aren't terribly profitable. I knew an idealistic guy who went over there with the idea of getting them to make vacuum tube electronics for hobbyists and audiophiles and he came back with his tail between his legs.Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @epebble
But they do seem to have good engineering skills http://www.geglobalresearch.com/locations/bangalore-india
Innovating to make the world a better place
You do realize how monumental a figure in anti-cucking Steve is, right? When race aware alt-left communists, far-rightists, and many moderates in between are praising him on his coverage of these issues, the word cuck literally has no relevance when applied to him.
Though Africa is not ready for high end manufacturing, they should be making the rudimentary items that are currently being done in China. I know it is cheaper to make everything in China and bulk ship it around the world. But the Africans should be getting more work to help develop the place. Even if it ends up costing more to manufacture, it will save us in the long run if those nations can improve themselves and somehow stem the flow of humanity coming out of them.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Dave Pinsen, @Former Darfur, @BB753, @Cracker, @IA, @IA
In Kinshasa, it’s cheaper to ship vegetables from Belgium than buy from local farmers because of “fees” and various shakedowns, mostly from military/government checkpoints, on the way to market.
https://kinshasa.usembassy.gov/mobile//faq.html
And that's why Donald Trump in persona non grata in Utah (and large parts of Idaho and Arizona) - thank God.Replies: @Anonymous
Yes, I’ve seen the Mormon leadership. They’re like the Chinese politburo – nerdy old guys.
Radical Origins: Early Mormon Converts and Their Colonial Ancestors By Val Dean Rust shows the early Mormon’s weren’t mainline Puritans but the ones descended from those who were expelled from the colony for their extreme beliefs. Cromwell’s puritan junta dispised ranters, shakers, diggers etc. Wrong to conflate the two. Traditional Puritans come from Eastern England, the extreme sects emerged from the north during the civil war.
The Trump phenomenon as seen from Portland, Oregon:
https://twitter.com/MattBors/status/710481301694844928
Isn’t Scott Baio the guy who once told the story about how he got busy with the couch cushions while he was with Erin Moran?
In 2009 we replaced the kitchen range. It was new when the house was built ... in 1969. 40 year life span from a daily use appliance; not a lot of upselling opportunity when your product can expect to have a 40 year useful life.Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Former Darfur
I have a Maytag washer and two dryers I picked off the curb. I repaired them all for less than $200 each in parts plus my time, which I enjoyed at least as much as if I had watched TV instead. I’ll probably be dead before they will.
The only NEW washer you can buy anymore that’s any good is the Staber, which you have to order online and which has some definite quirks.
Are you Jew for Trump or Jew for Cruz?Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew
Cruzin’ for a Jewsin’?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tchotchke#Etymology*ke is a slavic diminutive, and there's at least on tch too many even for german earsReplies: @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew, @theo the kraut
And the best example is for “water” in Russian, vodá, which, in diminution, becomes vĂłdka.
Shoot, now I’m thirsty, and it’s still Lent…
Yep. It almost killed Bugs Bunny voice actor Mel Blanc. Instead of the usual angle that allows centrifugal force to keep you on the road, the road is graded to allow centrifugal force to throw you off the road.
In the clip below, after the line, “let’s see if you still have balls, terry,” you’ll see a shot of “dead man’s curve” on Sunset.
Note the angle of the road, and how it can effect high-speed drivers like those depicted in the movie. Most of Sunset is graded very well for high speed driving, except “dead man’s curve.” Many asses have been kicked there. Scared the hell out of me the first time I rounded it.
I wonder if any of the people calling for a return of manufacturing jobs to the USA have ever worked in a factory? Maybe each poster could put a little, yes I have, or no I haven’t, at the end (not that it is any proof).
Working in a factory is the worst experience I ever voluntarily endured. If needed to feed, clothe and shelter yourself, I would do it, otherwise, any other occupation is preferable. I even did physically hard groundskeeper one summer. You at least get different jobs, different places, variety and stimulation. Same for a stint in construction. One day one thing another something else.
In the factory you have a place to stand for 8 hours. Work arrives and it is frequently the same thing over and over for the eight hours with a few 15 minute stops, and an hour lunch. The lunch goes by like a New York minute. While working the boredom was bad. The time passed as slowly as a History class in high school (only 8 hours instead of 50 minutes). The surroundings were dirty, there could be danger (my father had a label machine trap his hand between a hot plate and a cradle for minutes while the heat cooked his hand – he was freed only when another worker stuck a bar in the jammed machine and pried his hand out; a coworker in a barrel factory has the tip of his finger caught in a machine that put bands around barrels, I watched him drop to his knees in pain in one second).
They are not good jobs. They were good next to farm jobs. They were good next to real poverty. They were good if there was no opportunity. You would not wish one on anyone. I support automation, freeing human beings from such extreme drudgery.
The fact is that most jobs are repetitive and boring. The best jobs, in my opinion, are those that require a variety of different problem solving and not repetitive. However, such jobs are not common and furthermore I actually doubt that everyone would like that kind of a job. In fact, a lot of people want a very simple routine to their jobs.
As repetitive and boring as manufacturing is (it is a lot safer now), what exactly is the alternative? Long haul trucking is also boring and repetitive. Sitting in an office cube is also boring and repetitive, doing reports that no one reads or doing data entry. So is stocking grocery shelves or working a checkout. And so on.
The key is that manufacturing jobs put average and less than average people to work, and, thanks to unions, gave them the ability to have a real life.
I mean, bottom line, the vast majority of people have to work to survive, let alone raise children, most people's jobs are boring and repetitive, and, just as most people spend a third of their lives sleeping, they spend a third of their lives in comparative soul crushing drudgery. Who's gonna fix that? Especially since, from what I have seen, a lot of people spend the one third of their lives being bored out of their minds and/or getting involved in all kinds of bad sensually gratifying habits to chase their boredom.
I don't know what the answer is, but making a large percentage of our population feel useless and keeping them in comparative poverty and/or dependence is not the answer.Replies: @Former Darfur, @anonymous, @scrivener3
Keep the factories and mines here, automation will reduce the need for people and will make most employees supervisors of the machines. That is better than having no jobs at all.
And farm work is really hard too, although less so today with automation. My grandfather left the farm for a 10-hour day in a factory in the 1920s and thought that it was a really good deal.
Not everyone is capable of becoming a hedge fund manager, an astrophysicist or a playwright. There have to be parts of the economy for people of ordinary intelligence and a good work ethics. Modern, safe factories making things strike me as a reasonable alternative.
Though Africa is not ready for high end manufacturing, they should be making the rudimentary items that are currently being done in China. I know it is cheaper to make everything in China and bulk ship it around the world. But the Africans should be getting more work to help develop the place. Even if it ends up costing more to manufacture, it will save us in the long run if those nations can improve themselves and somehow stem the flow of humanity coming out of them.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Dave Pinsen, @Former Darfur, @BB753, @Cracker, @IA, @IA
https://kinshasa.usembassy.gov/mobile//faq.html
There are several grocery stores in Kinshasa. Most of them stock products from Belgium and South Africa as well as local fruits and vegetables. With enough patience you can find most of the basic things you need–it’s just that you may have to go to four or five stores to do so! Also be advised that groceries are much more expensive than in the States.
https://kinshasa.usembassy.gov/mobile//faq.html
Coal mining is pretty bad too. Factory work, mining, and farming are all terrible jobs. The repetitive stress of factory work also messes up your body and health by your 40s and 50s.
I only worked in manufacturing for a month during one summer, but I know and have several relatives who did that kind of work.
The fact is that most jobs are repetitive and boring. The best jobs, in my opinion, are those that require a variety of different problem solving and not repetitive. However, such jobs are not common and furthermore I actually doubt that everyone would like that kind of a job. In fact, a lot of people want a very simple routine to their jobs.
As repetitive and boring as manufacturing is (it is a lot safer now), what exactly is the alternative? Long haul trucking is also boring and repetitive. Sitting in an office cube is also boring and repetitive, doing reports that no one reads or doing data entry. So is stocking grocery shelves or working a checkout. And so on.
The key is that manufacturing jobs put average and less than average people to work, and, thanks to unions, gave them the ability to have a real life.
I mean, bottom line, the vast majority of people have to work to survive, let alone raise children, most people’s jobs are boring and repetitive, and, just as most people spend a third of their lives sleeping, they spend a third of their lives in comparative soul crushing drudgery. Who’s gonna fix that? Especially since, from what I have seen, a lot of people spend the one third of their lives being bored out of their minds and/or getting involved in all kinds of bad sensually gratifying habits to chase their boredom.
I don’t know what the answer is, but making a large percentage of our population feel useless and keeping them in comparative poverty and/or dependence is not the answer.
It's similar to IT/computer science positions. We call someone a "programmer" but there is a huge range from simple coders of easily taught languages to people who are systems architects capable of writing entire operating systems, designing whole languages, implementing compilers and assemblers and other tools. At the far end are people who are harder to train and require a rarer combination of creativity, drive, and IQ than board certified neurosurgeons, and whose work often generates orders of magnitude more money for their employers, and should make a lot more money. Most of the H-1B jobs are near to the first group and are desired for their willingness to be underhoused in places like Silicon Valley, their ability to be coerced into 80-100 hour work weeks, and their lack of potential to take the place over or leave and start a competing firm.
Stamp out H-1B and employers will be forced to hire Americans who want a solid middle class living for 40-50 hour work weeks and will either refuse to move to SV or will want pay commensurate with the living expenses.
Of course they could offshore. Then again, we could tariff.
Why not just subsidize the worker? Then he can work at a less soul destroying job. Plus the cost of the subsidy would be fairly spread across all people, not just those who buy a manufactured product. And why subsidize factory workers so they can make a good wage with little skill and not subsidize other low intelligence people? A windfall for those in certain occupational fields because they are behind a tariff barrier. Manufacturing would be like solar or wind power, subsidized because some people like factories and factory jobs.
You can see the less skilled working guy making a good wage, you do not see the consumers paying more than they have to to support his lifestyle.
The fact is that most jobs are repetitive and boring. The best jobs, in my opinion, are those that require a variety of different problem solving and not repetitive. However, such jobs are not common and furthermore I actually doubt that everyone would like that kind of a job. In fact, a lot of people want a very simple routine to their jobs.
As repetitive and boring as manufacturing is (it is a lot safer now), what exactly is the alternative? Long haul trucking is also boring and repetitive. Sitting in an office cube is also boring and repetitive, doing reports that no one reads or doing data entry. So is stocking grocery shelves or working a checkout. And so on.
The key is that manufacturing jobs put average and less than average people to work, and, thanks to unions, gave them the ability to have a real life.
I mean, bottom line, the vast majority of people have to work to survive, let alone raise children, most people's jobs are boring and repetitive, and, just as most people spend a third of their lives sleeping, they spend a third of their lives in comparative soul crushing drudgery. Who's gonna fix that? Especially since, from what I have seen, a lot of people spend the one third of their lives being bored out of their minds and/or getting involved in all kinds of bad sensually gratifying habits to chase their boredom.
I don't know what the answer is, but making a large percentage of our population feel useless and keeping them in comparative poverty and/or dependence is not the answer.Replies: @Former Darfur, @anonymous, @scrivener3
Factory jobs vary. The basic assembly, machine operator, etc. type jobs are mind-numbing and physically wearisome, but they generate the skilled labor positions that require intelligence and afford opportunity for creativity as well as build one’s skills. Toolmakers, die sinkers, millwrights, industrial electricians, welders, all-around machinists are all highly skilled people that would require a completely unskilled person several years to learn to the journeyman level.
It’s similar to IT/computer science positions. We call someone a “programmer” but there is a huge range from simple coders of easily taught languages to people who are systems architects capable of writing entire operating systems, designing whole languages, implementing compilers and assemblers and other tools. At the far end are people who are harder to train and require a rarer combination of creativity, drive, and IQ than board certified neurosurgeons, and whose work often generates orders of magnitude more money for their employers, and should make a lot more money. Most of the H-1B jobs are near to the first group and are desired for their willingness to be underhoused in places like Silicon Valley, their ability to be coerced into 80-100 hour work weeks, and their lack of potential to take the place over or leave and start a competing firm.
Stamp out H-1B and employers will be forced to hire Americans who want a solid middle class living for 40-50 hour work weeks and will either refuse to move to SV or will want pay commensurate with the living expenses.
Of course they could offshore. Then again, we could tariff.
The big point that free-traders miss: An advanced industrial economy doesn’t simply arise ex nihilo; it must be fostered through specific public policies.
If all that quaint stuff about public works, tariffs, and patents was taught, and taught effectively when discussing 19th century history, people would get this. Yeah, it’s boring, but with the pickle we’re in right now, enterprising teachers could really make that stuff come alive. Most don’t have the brains and imagination for it, though, at least where I grew up, where all of them had “coach” in front of their names.
Are you Jew for Trump or Jew for Cruz?Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew
Dunno, still awaiting instructions from my Mossad handler.
While there is a good deal of bragging about boats/ATVs in some parts, being too outwardly showy is generally frowned upon; the white people in MN are mainly German and Scandinavian. Also, the state is generally liberal (more so in the cities and northern regions, less so in the suburbs and prairie). However, the state did elect Jesse Ventura as governor and is open to some strange politics.
Fair enough, but just sayin’
And as if the color isn’t bad enough, the front is foam! Egads, foam!? Now he’s just mocking us.
IS it possible for Silicon Valley to just completely relocate to India or China if Trump wins and bans HB1Ds? Or outsource activities to India and the Philippines?
Yes, that sculpture in front of the building is a jet engine part. Yes, they design jet engines there.
They also design locomotives.
Any questions?Replies: @MarkinLA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tchotchke#Etymology*ke is a slavic diminutive, and there's at least on tch too many even for german earsReplies: @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew, @theo the kraut
Iz faran oich a sach worter fun Hebräisch.
This is somewhat related to Trump, but how much would cruise ship fares rise if Royal Carribean or Carnival would be forced to hire American crews? Note that the minimum wage may not apply since Americans will likely only work in a cruise ship in the wage paid there is multiple time above the minimum wage, considering that they have to spend multiple months at sea without holidays or weekends off for 14 hours a day. Cruise ship fares would probably more than double from what they are at present, if you try to look at Trans Ocean, which is a German cruise line operating in the North Sea, and which uses German crews (from what I saw in the youtube video about the MS Astor), their fares for the same length compared to Holland America are about 2.3 times more.
In 1978 I made $30,000 (=$110,000 in 2016) working for just eight months as the ship's electrician and then went back to college.
In 2005 I made $115,000 per year ($139,000 in 2016) as an in-house patent attorney at a Fortune 100 manufacturing company.
Sailing makes you crazy. Desk work is boring but much saner. If I could retire right now at 60+ and go back to sea for 3-5 months every year I would do it.
There’s another “dead man’s curve” on that dark and steep stretch of Mulholland Drive between Laurel Canyon and Coldwater Canyon. On the hiking trail that runs below you can see several decades’ worth of rusted out wrecked autos nestled in the brushy hillside.
The fact is that most jobs are repetitive and boring. The best jobs, in my opinion, are those that require a variety of different problem solving and not repetitive. However, such jobs are not common and furthermore I actually doubt that everyone would like that kind of a job. In fact, a lot of people want a very simple routine to their jobs.
As repetitive and boring as manufacturing is (it is a lot safer now), what exactly is the alternative? Long haul trucking is also boring and repetitive. Sitting in an office cube is also boring and repetitive, doing reports that no one reads or doing data entry. So is stocking grocery shelves or working a checkout. And so on.
The key is that manufacturing jobs put average and less than average people to work, and, thanks to unions, gave them the ability to have a real life.
I mean, bottom line, the vast majority of people have to work to survive, let alone raise children, most people's jobs are boring and repetitive, and, just as most people spend a third of their lives sleeping, they spend a third of their lives in comparative soul crushing drudgery. Who's gonna fix that? Especially since, from what I have seen, a lot of people spend the one third of their lives being bored out of their minds and/or getting involved in all kinds of bad sensually gratifying habits to chase their boredom.
I don't know what the answer is, but making a large percentage of our population feel useless and keeping them in comparative poverty and/or dependence is not the answer.Replies: @Former Darfur, @anonymous, @scrivener3
Well, you can surf Unz.com and Isteve and glance at the comments while at work to relieve your boredom.
Where do you think SpaceX got their talent from? You are at a point where liquid rocket engines are almost 100 years old.
So what solutions do you people propose, because imposing tariffs will surely produce a trade war that will put the US into a recession.
Here's a 1988 article in which libertarians are gnashing their teeth over Reagan's protectionism and fondness for tariffs
https://mises.org/library/ronald-reagan-protectionist
The only NEW washer you can buy anymore that's any good is the Staber, which you have to order online and which has some definite quirks.Replies: @MarkinLA
Speed Queen is still made in the US and they supply washers for laundromats and businesses.
See http://www.geglobalresearch.com/locations/bangalore-india for the answer.
Yes, that sculpture in front of the building is a jet engine part. Yes, they design jet engines there.
They also design locomotives.
Any questions?
Thanks to robotics and other labor saving technologies the factory floor is far different than even 30 years ago and not nearly as unclean or unsafe. This type of work is all some people are capable of and we want people to be able to say they earned their living. You can’t do that making sandwiches for the lunch crowd. We had an assembly line making medical products and our air was clean enough to build microelectronics and we used an extremely deadly gas for sterilization and nobody was ever hurt in an industrial accident the whole time I worked there.
Keep the factories and mines here, automation will reduce the need for people and will make most employees supervisors of the machines. That is better than having no jobs at all.
They already steal a ton of company secrets as it is. If they moved all of their design facilities there the important US citizen engineers won’t go and even more intellectual property than now would be stolen.
Update on the Black trump supporter – he’s an airman at the local airforce base:
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/31522857/man-charged-with-assaulting-trump-rally-protester-is-a-d-m-airman?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
What proof of that is there? Don’t tell me you are going to trot out that old BS about Smoot-Hawley causing the Great Depressions?
Yes, that sculpture in front of the building is a jet engine part. Yes, they design jet engines there.
They also design locomotives.
Any questions?Replies: @MarkinLA
None of which is what you might consider advanced technology. Jet engines were invented in the 30s.
Samsung and TSMC have best semiconductor fabs now. ENIAC was built in the 40s.Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @MarkinLA, @Former Darfur
Grove was a businessman, not an engineer.Replies: @Dave Pinsen
He is (still alive) both. He has a PhD in chemical engineering from Berkeley. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Grove
http://www.businessinsider.com/andy-grove-of-intel-dies-2016-3
There is not a whole lot of “advanced technology” more advanced than a modern state of the art jet engine. BTW, most of the modern jet engine design (like that done by GE Bangalore labs) is numerical fluid mechanics on supercomputers. They most likely don’t bend any metal there.
Samsung and TSMC have best semiconductor fabs now. ENIAC was built in the 40s.
Not exactly home grown is it. Making improvements on existing products is not the same as inventing something new.
Samsung and TSMC have best semiconductor fabs now
Yeah because most chip houses have gone fab-less and contract that out.
Since most GA owner operators fly little, you would think many would be willing to trade off poorer BSFC for a lower price. However, GE bought the Czech Walter firm which made a functional 1960s-era version of the PT-6-cheaper alloys, simpler construction, etc-and promptly decided to "Upgrade" it to compete with current dash number PT-6s, probably tripling the price.
Putting a flat 20 percent tariff on all imported electronics would create a lot of jobs. Yes, it would mean prices would go up and the rate of improvements slow down, but not as much as people think. Apple would drop prices before tariff so that the overall cost would go up perhaps ten percent, and their profits would drop some. That would be tragic, right?Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @map
This notion that a tariff of, say, 35% or more will yield of 35% increase in prices really is not correct.
The reason is that businesses face downward-sloping demand curves. At any price point, prices are already optimized. Think of it this way: if the price could really go that high, then don’t you think the company would already be charging it? Would any firm really discount an optimized by as much as 35%? Of course not.
To maintain revenues, companies will eat a large percentage of the tariff until the labor arbitrage is no longer profitable.
China will just have to learn what the US learned after WWI: it does not pay to be the world’s biggest exporter.
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/31522857/man-charged-with-assaulting-trump-rally-protester-is-a-d-m-airman?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitterReplies: @LondonBob
So the guy he assaulted was a Mr B. Sanders.
New Fingleton on Trump and Japan.
https://www.unz.com/efingleton/why-the-medias-silence-on-japanese-protectionism-gives-trump-another-priceless-opening/
“In few places has Donald Trump’s rise caused more unease than in Tokyo. Indeed it is probably safe to say that, underneath an ostensibly imperturbable exterior, top Japanese officials are running far more scared than even Trump realizes.”
Samsung and TSMC have best semiconductor fabs now. ENIAC was built in the 40s.Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @MarkinLA, @Former Darfur
A friend has a metal recycling business in India. Low end input, high end output (extreme purity needed for the customer). He’s had problems with staff corruption (i.e. someone brings in crud and bribes the employee to pay as if it’s good stuff, crud then ruins a batch).
Check the photos of the four illegal alien rapists in MA this week. Would I be correct in thinking they’re Swedish?
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2016/03/illegals_had_rap_sheets
The second from left looks like Hugo Chavez and the far right looks like Seth MacFarlane...
http://www.fingleton.net/the-japanese-electronics-industry-a-rebuttal/
"A typical area of Japanese leadership that is completely overlooked by the declinists is the battery industry. It happens to be one of the fastest growing sectors of the global electronics industry. Batteries may seem like an old technology, but the sort of batteries that used in cellphones and laptops, not to mention hybrid cars, are a world away from traditional alkaline or acid batteries. Today’s nickel-metal hydride batteries, for instance, require super-advanced manufacturing techniques. As Fareed Zakaria has pointed out, eight of the world’s top ten battery manufacturers are based in Japan (and only one, Johnson Controls, is based in the United States)."Replies: @Brutusale
And Johnson Controls is in the process of merging with Tyco and incorporating in Ireland for tax purposes.
What makes you people think McDonald’s will not just switch to robots when the minimum wage is raised to 12 dollars an hours, or if the Mexicans get kicked out?
https://www.unz.com/efingleton/why-the-medias-silence-on-japanese-protectionism-gives-trump-another-priceless-opening/
"In few places has Donald Trump’s rise caused more unease than in Tokyo. Indeed it is probably safe to say that, underneath an ostensibly imperturbable exterior, top Japanese officials are running far more scared than even Trump realizes."Replies: @Leftist conservative
fingleton is the man
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2016/03/illegals_had_rap_sheetsReplies: @AndrewR
I would not assume they were Swedish.
The second from left looks like Hugo Chavez and the far right looks like Seth MacFarlane…
Maybe he should drive a VW :
Yes, I’ve worked in a couple of factories in my life, most recently making guns from 2008 to 2011. No, I didn’t much like it. I certainly support automation for dangerous and highly repetitive jobs. But I grew up in a blue collar community where factory work was respected. It gave men status: they were supporting a family. Usually as you move up the ladder you acquire skills that enable you to perform more skilled and interesting labor. The union supported you if and when you got crosswise to your management–you weren’t on your own.
And farm work is really hard too, although less so today with automation. My grandfather left the farm for a 10-hour day in a factory in the 1920s and thought that it was a really good deal.
Not everyone is capable of becoming a hedge fund manager, an astrophysicist or a playwright. There have to be parts of the economy for people of ordinary intelligence and a good work ethics. Modern, safe factories making things strike me as a reasonable alternative.
BTW Sailer , thanks for not passing my recent racist rant , not that I’m ashamed of of being a racist or anti-Semite , au contraire mon”amie It’s the only rational stance to take at this critical moment in time . Either we stand up or go under , and Trump is not going to save us , fools that they are the vermin that lord it over us don’t realize that Trump is their last hope . I hope they do steal the nomination from him , he won’t help us anyway , and then maybe we can throw off the thin veneer of civilization and get real .
“Free traders” are not actually for free trade. They’re for trade which enriches them personally. There’s nothing remotely “free” about current US trade policies with China, polices which are best described as “mutually agreed-on mercantillism”. The Chinese and American ruling classes like these policies because they both get very rich off them. They’re a dreadful deal for America as an entity and probably for the Chinese as well.
Trump threatens to derail their gravy-train, which is why he must be destroyed at all costs.
Reagan had to deal with the same issues affecting US trade back in the 1980’s as we’re facing today. He dealt with them by imposing tariffs. It did not put the US into a recession, it forced our foreign competitors to engage in slightly more fair trading practices.
Here’s a 1988 article in which libertarians are gnashing their teeth over Reagan’s protectionism and fondness for tariffs
https://mises.org/library/ronald-reagan-protectionist
The fact is that most jobs are repetitive and boring. The best jobs, in my opinion, are those that require a variety of different problem solving and not repetitive. However, such jobs are not common and furthermore I actually doubt that everyone would like that kind of a job. In fact, a lot of people want a very simple routine to their jobs.
As repetitive and boring as manufacturing is (it is a lot safer now), what exactly is the alternative? Long haul trucking is also boring and repetitive. Sitting in an office cube is also boring and repetitive, doing reports that no one reads or doing data entry. So is stocking grocery shelves or working a checkout. And so on.
The key is that manufacturing jobs put average and less than average people to work, and, thanks to unions, gave them the ability to have a real life.
I mean, bottom line, the vast majority of people have to work to survive, let alone raise children, most people's jobs are boring and repetitive, and, just as most people spend a third of their lives sleeping, they spend a third of their lives in comparative soul crushing drudgery. Who's gonna fix that? Especially since, from what I have seen, a lot of people spend the one third of their lives being bored out of their minds and/or getting involved in all kinds of bad sensually gratifying habits to chase their boredom.
I don't know what the answer is, but making a large percentage of our population feel useless and keeping them in comparative poverty and/or dependence is not the answer.Replies: @Former Darfur, @anonymous, @scrivener3
A tariff is just a subsidy to the manufacturer, paid by all the people who buy that product. If I can buy an iphone for $300 if it is made in China or $500 if it is made in Boston, I’m simply paying a subsidy to a number of Boston factory workers (plus the management).
Why not just subsidize the worker? Then he can work at a less soul destroying job. Plus the cost of the subsidy would be fairly spread across all people, not just those who buy a manufactured product. And why subsidize factory workers so they can make a good wage with little skill and not subsidize other low intelligence people? A windfall for those in certain occupational fields because they are behind a tariff barrier. Manufacturing would be like solar or wind power, subsidized because some people like factories and factory jobs.
You can see the less skilled working guy making a good wage, you do not see the consumers paying more than they have to to support his lifestyle.
http://www.cruiselawnews.com/articles/flags-of-convenience-1/
And he wrote a classic 1967 book on semiconductor physics.
SpaceX is a launch services company. It’s not a company that focuses on producing one-off, expendable liquid rocket engines. We are at a point where reusable rockets haven’t been invented yet, and which SpaceX has been making significant progress towards. Before SpaceX, all that talent was blowing up 100 year old liquid rocket engines for billions of dollars in glorified vanity projects and making no serious progress towards reusable rocketry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine
As far as seaman’s wages are concerned, in 1973 I made $15,000 per year (=$77,000 in 2016) working as a wiper/messman/OS. An apprentice aboard ship. No qualifications required, just a strong back. I only worked for about 7-9 months per year, saving damn near everything. I could live large for 3-4 months ashore and then I had to go look for more work.
In 1978 I made $30,000 (=$110,000 in 2016) working for just eight months as the ship’s electrician and then went back to college.
In 2005 I made $115,000 per year ($139,000 in 2016) as an in-house patent attorney at a Fortune 100 manufacturing company.
Sailing makes you crazy. Desk work is boring but much saner. If I could retire right now at 60+ and go back to sea for 3-5 months every year I would do it.
Samsung and TSMC have best semiconductor fabs now. ENIAC was built in the 40s.Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @MarkinLA, @Former Darfur
GE Bangalore
Not exactly home grown is it. Making improvements on existing products is not the same as inventing something new.
Samsung and TSMC have best semiconductor fabs now
Yeah because most chip houses have gone fab-less and contract that out.
Problem is those folks have had it up to hear with the white professional class who think like this. This is why they rebelled against the GOP repuke candidates and went for Trump.
The other thing is, free trade has hollowed out country, our economy is a puffed up joke kept afloat by Wall Street slight of hand and a overheated real-estate market, a over sized military to threaten other nations. Take away our military and we are a super sized version of Greece or Mexico.
Even in technology we're a joke, we do some design work here in the U.S. but everything else is in China from PCB manufacturing. IC production to latest generation Apple, IBM and HP computers and handhelds.
We used to do it all. I remember when we did make everything and people did a lot better than they do now.
Now we don't even have enough jobs for our STEM workers. 75% of Silicon Valley workers are foreign born. Even if you fired all of them, there isn't enough work for all our STEM workers anymore because the tech base is in China or South Korea.
We either bring manufacturing and tech back or we perish. Even now our consumer purchasing power is shrinking rapidly as people lack the income to buy all that Chinese made junk. Why is it shrinking? Because they're working in the service sector that pays shit. Instead of working in a factory that paid $20 a hour plus bennies, they get a job at Wal-Mart that pays $9 a hour for less than 28 hours of work a week with no benefits.
It won't end well, especially for the white urban professional class who has the most to lose if things aren't rectified and soon.Replies: @Hunsdon, @Ed, @The SPY
What makes you think that group has the most to lose?
There was an LA Times article about how Trumps ‘Made in America’ hats are indeed made in Riverside (or somewhere), but the ‘snark’ angle was that the vast majority of the production workforce was Latina/immigrant.
Of course, that means that Trump is providing jobs for Latinas, and indeed some of the workers even noted that while criticizing Trump. I think the larger story is that the hats should be made in China (though perhaps customized here). Textile and clothing production is a low value added industry, and is usually shucked off first thing as an industrial country moves up the scale. As Sailer has pointed out–LA has a garment industry that is without historical precedent, in which the workers and factory owners are virtually all immigrants (even the ‘American’ Apparel guy is from Canada). There is no way a low wage, low value added industry should have started recently in one of the highest cost places to live in the country.
OT but not really, but NPR had a story today about how 20 and 30 something relatively successful folks could ‘access’ public housing in San Francisco — the place has become that unaffordable.
Not really. The work is easily automated. There is no reason why clothing isn't made here with the advances in technology. Keep all the jobs here. There is still a garment district because of low volume high turnover stuff that won't wait for a container full from China.
Or… Maybe they would come up with a business model that reflects this century, instead of one that depends on illegals. In ‘N Out, while not a public company, is doing extremely well without exploiting Mexican semi-slave labor. If they won’t change their ways, the world will move ahead without them, and they will fail, as they should.
McDonald’s is a lot bigger and more sophisticated than In N Out. I’ve been to McDonald’s where you order from a touchscreen kiosk.
When the protesters start acting out Trump should say, "Hillary will you please stop sending your people to my rallies"Replies: @Pericles
Haha, +1
He just passed away today. RIP.
Looks like you jinxed him. He just died shortly after you made this comment:
http://www.businessinsider.com/andy-grove-of-intel-dies-2016-3
Samsung and TSMC have best semiconductor fabs now. ENIAC was built in the 40s.Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @MarkinLA, @Former Darfur
Early jet engines like the Allison J-33, RR Goblin and Nene, etc were simple and would burn most anything flammable, but they were fuel sluts and loud. The modern jet engines are extreme examples of a business with 100 percent sustaining and zero percent disruptive development.
Since most GA owner operators fly little, you would think many would be willing to trade off poorer BSFC for a lower price. However, GE bought the Czech Walter firm which made a functional 1960s-era version of the PT-6-cheaper alloys, simpler construction, etc-and promptly decided to “Upgrade” it to compete with current dash number PT-6s, probably tripling the price.
Uh no, The space shuttle’s main engines were liquid fueled and reused after checkout and any refurbishing. That big tank was jettisoned but it was just to hold the liquid hydrogen and oxygen. The side rockets that had the O-ring problem were solid fuel rockets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_main_engine
Of course, that means that Trump is providing jobs for Latinas, and indeed some of the workers even noted that while criticizing Trump. I think the larger story is that the hats should be made in China (though perhaps customized here). Textile and clothing production is a low value added industry, and is usually shucked off first thing as an industrial country moves up the scale. As Sailer has pointed out--LA has a garment industry that is without historical precedent, in which the workers and factory owners are virtually all immigrants (even the 'American' Apparel guy is from Canada). There is no way a low wage, low value added industry should have started recently in one of the highest cost places to live in the country.
OT but not really, but NPR had a story today about how 20 and 30 something relatively successful folks could 'access' public housing in San Francisco -- the place has become that unaffordable.Replies: @MarkinLA
I think the larger story is that the hats should be made in China (though perhaps customized here).
Not really. The work is easily automated. There is no reason why clothing isn’t made here with the advances in technology. Keep all the jobs here. There is still a garment district because of low volume high turnover stuff that won’t wait for a container full from China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tchotchke#Etymology*ke is a slavic diminutive, and there's at least on tch too many even for german earsReplies: @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew, @theo the kraut
re *ke as a slavic diminutive, there’s more to that, it seems