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From CBS news in Sacramento
Term ‘At-Risk Youth’ Replaced With ‘At-Promise Youth’ In California Penal Codes
by Laura Haefeli
February 13, 2020SACRAMENTO (CBS13) – The term “at-risk youth” was commonly used in both penal and education codes in California – until now.
Gov. Gavin Newsom signed legislation that went into effect on Jan. 1 that officially wiped the phrase from the state’s language. The phrase will now be replaced by “at-promise youth.”
Assemblymember Byron Jones-Sawyer (D-South Los Angeles), who penned the passed legislation, says the measure will change the negative connotation that comes along with the “at-risk” label.
“I learned that words matter – and once they were called ‘at-risk,’ they almost were in the school-to-prison pipeline automatically,” Jones-Sawyer said.
Hmm so “juvenile delinquent’ isn’t in fashion any more I’m guessing.
Why not use the already current phrase “aspiring rapper” instead of the clumsy “at-promise-youth”? In any case anything other than “thug for life” sounds better.
Pretty sure that is still their latitude-longitude-time coordinate triple.
Seriously? There’s no way that lasts. What a demeaning, illiterate way to refer to anybody–worse than “handicapable.” The fact that this was signed into law goes to show how out of touch these people are with the actual issues of those at the bottom.
“No educators, no law enforcement will no longer be able to call our young people who make a mistake ‘at-risk,’” Jones-Sawyer said. “We’re going to call them ‘at-promise’ because they’re the promise of the future.”
No comment necessary.
Seriously though I am glad that they finally solved the seemingly intractable problem of poor black kids becoming criminals. On to Mars!Replies: @Forbes
Invalid -> handicapped -> physically challenged.
Idiot -> retarded -> mentally challenged.
It seems to me, as we keep changing words to make them more pc, they also tends to get longer.
I would not be surprised if we end up using whole senteses to describe some of the latest gender/sexuality/what have you, fads.
Words matter because of the value we put in them. If you call Tesla or Edison genius there is a value in it. If you call winner of international math or science competition ‘genius’ there is a value in it.
If you start to call every person with low IQ and lack of impulse control ‘a genius’ the word soon will become pejorative.
"Genius" does not apply here. What they're saying is, at-promise "youths" have no agency when they behave badly. If they somehow stop acting like animals they acquire agency and get credit for it. IQ and impulse control (whatever that is) doesn't enter into it.
"Genius" I think would apply where blacks tell whites they're racist because they, black people, don't get enough Oscars, professorships, CEO positions, government contracts like museum design, book contracts, mortgages and so forth. It's not their fault. Then, when given one of these they suddenly overcome white bigotry, all on their own. And virtual-signaling whites can applaud themselves and the black geniuses who are so brave, intelligent, sensitive, etc. Does this deprecate the word genius? They seem pretty smart to me.Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage, @bomag
Racist is used everywhere, every time, on everyone so white supremacist/nationalist had to replace it. Similarly, Nazi/fascist is overused so it gets the same replacement.
No doubt there's a long list of these "substitutes." One benefit, I suppose, is the terms become laughable rather than stinging.
I wonder how long it took the population to catch-on to “Special” Education.
*please watch the first minute to see the “special” reference.*
Instantaneously.Replies: @Kronos
Here is a Venn diagram to explain everything clearly.
They were able to sum up 70 years worth of bad social science gimmicks in under 4min. That’s impressive!
Some people call them terrorists. These boys have simply been — misguided.
Young migrants who carry out sadistic and degrading robberies against Swedes do so because they feel hopeless and like they do not belong in society, according to Sweden’s Social Democratic Minister of the Interior Mikael Damberg
In a recent high profile case, an 18-year-old was robbed by two younger assailants who, among other things, peed on him and forced him to open his mouth while doing so.
In an interview with SVT, Mikael Damberg was asked to explain why youth robberies are increasing.
“I don’t think I should have an explanation. I will wait for criminologists and others to tell me what it is due to. But it is obvious that there is a total lack of moral perception here, where these young men can commit almost any disgusting action against other young people. It is something that is lacking in the parenting role, but also that society does not intervene early enough”, said Damberg.
The interviewer then asked Damberg why crime is increasing in the “vulnerable areas”.
“It must be about both lack of parenting and norms, morals and values that are crossed in these gangs, and that is very serious. The second thing is that some of the young people feel hopeless, that they don’t do well in school and that they feel that there is no place for them in society”, the Interior Minister concluded.
https://voiceofeurope.com/2020/02/swedish-interior-minister-says-migrant-robbers-pee-on-their-victims-because-they-feel-hopelessness/
Let's not forget that Islam is a religion of conquest and of submission of infidels. Muslims are merely being Muslims and Westerners are being cowards and libtards. Of course, none of this would happen if our liberal elites weren't in bed with Saudi Arabia and the Emirates, and weren't using low-class Muslims in our midst as a club to subdue western citizens into full compliance with globalism.Replies: @J.Ross, @nebulafox
I guess ignorance really is strength here…
OT:
CNN Anchor Michael Avenatti convicted of trying to extort Nike.
California, such an at-promise state!
OT: Baseball again. Everyone seems to be raving about the suspicion that the Astros used buzzers to signal stolen pitches. But if they could do that, why bang on a trashcan til the bitter end?
Congratulations to LA for the Dodgers getting Mookie Betts and David Price by the way. Perhaps the NL will for once take the World Series this year?
I guess owing only $16 MM per, for 3 years is reasonable fare in today's MLB, while Bosox pick up the other half of his contract.Replies: @Pericles
My theory is Steve Sailer resides in a sanatorium writing drug-fueled newspaper articles under numerous noms de plume.
There is no other credible alternative.
I like the image though, of Steve on drugs and alcohol churning out reams of demented, profanity laced paranoid copy on a portable typewriter, pausing occasionally to rush to a window and empty his revolver at shadows, then sending copy out to the various Sailerbait publishersReplies: @Kronos
The handicapable thing makes me laugh, along with the newly-designed handicapped symbol of the active guy in the wheelchair. Being confined to a wheelchair is hard enough, but now they expect them to wheel fast?
Seriously though I am glad that they finally solved the seemingly intractable problem of poor black kids becoming criminals. On to Mars!
https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/02/image062.jpg?w=578&ssl=1
Promising yout would sound better. Promising to sire several life long welfare babies, flunk out of school despite million dollar counseling coordinating and consulting to help them function in school, robbing beating and raping, probably at least one murder or drunk driving killing, about 25 years in youth and adult prisons at great cost and on welfare and disability when not in prison.
200 years ago they could pick cotton or tobacco. But they’re totally useless now except to give blacks and Hispanics affirmative action government jobs wrangling and herding them from school to prison to parole to more crimes to arrest and prison again.
There is an ample set of low-skill jobs for people with limited human capital. They account for roughly 1/4 of the jobs in the economy. The employment-to-population ratio for blacks is currently about 4% lower than it is for whites. This is largely accounted for by longer job searches. The labor force participation rate is about 1% lower.Replies: @Anonymous
Let’s play Madlibs.
Term ‘At-Promise Youth’ Replaced With ‘ _____ _____ Youth’ In California Penal Codes
by _______ _______
February 13, 2030
SACRAMENTO (AMAZON – CBS13) – The term “at-promise youth” was commonly used in both penal and education codes in California – until now.
Gov. ______ _____ signed legislation that went into effect on Jan. 1 that officially wiped the phrase from the state’s language. The phrase will now be replaced by “_______-________ youth.”
Richard Ramirez
RuPaul
Young migrants who carry out sadistic and degrading robberies against Swedes do so because they feel hopeless and like they do not belong in society, according to Sweden’s Social Democratic Minister of the Interior Mikael Damberg
In a recent high profile case, an 18-year-old was robbed by two younger assailants who, among other things, peed on him and forced him to open his mouth while doing so.
In an interview with SVT, Mikael Damberg was asked to explain why youth robberies are increasing.
“I don’t think I should have an explanation. I will wait for criminologists and others to tell me what it is due to. But it is obvious that there is a total lack of moral perception here, where these young men can commit almost any disgusting action against other young people. It is something that is lacking in the parenting role, but also that society does not intervene early enough”, said Damberg.
The interviewer then asked Damberg why crime is increasing in the “vulnerable areas”.
“It must be about both lack of parenting and norms, morals and values that are crossed in these gangs, and that is very serious. The second thing is that some of the young people feel hopeless, that they don’t do well in school and that they feel that there is no place for them in society”, the Interior Minister concluded.
https://voiceofeurope.com/2020/02/swedish-interior-minister-says-migrant-robbers-pee-on-their-victims-because-they-feel-hopelessness/Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Aardvark, @BB753
Sweden, Germany, Holland, etc etc. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch. Leaving aside the delightful symbolism of the assault, we must consider that these are the people who apologize to their third-world rapists. What do you think might ever turn this sort of thing around, if not what we’ve already seen??
It’s testimony to the power of indoctrination; nothing more and nothing less. I’m only sorry for the minority who despise this state of affairs, yet must suffer its punishments anyway. The wreckage continues apace.
CNN Anchor Michael Avenatti convicted of trying to extort Nike.Replies: @Jack D, @Prester John
Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.
Even Steve can’t possibly produce Sailerbait content at such a Hunter Thompson level all by himself. My belief is that he has all these people in politics, entertainment and media on staff and he pays them with a cut of his fabulously lucrative donation campaigns.
I like the image though, of Steve on drugs and alcohol churning out reams of demented, profanity laced paranoid copy on a portable typewriter, pausing occasionally to rush to a window and empty his revolver at shadows, then sending copy out to the various Sailerbait publishers
“I learned that words matter – and once they were called ‘at-risk,’ they almost were in the school-to-prison pipeline automatically,” Jones-Sawyer said.
As Adam Corolla has observed, it’s as if liberals think the school-to-prison pipeline is an actual physical pipeline. Not what happens between school and prison isn’t relevant.
I wonder how long it took the population to catch-on to “Special” Education.
Instantaneously.
I like the image though, of Steve on drugs and alcohol churning out reams of demented, profanity laced paranoid copy on a portable typewriter, pausing occasionally to rush to a window and empty his revolver at shadows, then sending copy out to the various Sailerbait publishersReplies: @Kronos
I can’t imagine Sailer keeping up with this drug/work schedule…
I couldn’t and I possess youth on my side. This would kill your average Frat Boy within three weeks.
Every 20 years they change the word for Blacks. Colored, Negro, Black and now African American.
We’re due for another Orwellian update soon.
Basically a plaques-for-blacks move: Give a black politician a feather in his cap by signing his (hopefully) meaningless law, and maybe he’ll help you out in the future.
The assemblyman in question comes across as an articulate, intelligent guy, although fixated on the idea that all that black thugs need is a hug and they will reform.
Yes, the change in terminology will solve the problem!
Wesley Yang has this really interesting new idea where a pundit could just notice things and say them out loud without hesitation.
https://twitter.com/wesyang/status/1228389821229535232
Instantaneously.Replies: @Kronos
Maybe for the top 50% of the population. It might have taken a few years for the other half to catch on…
Is Laura related to Bill? The headline sounds like a caption to one of his cartoons.
LULZ. (LOL button not working for me)
We're due for another Orwellian update soon.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Triumph104
Liberal Mental Illness on parade as Newspeak legislation is being actually passed in the hope that liberal governance, resulting in utter failure and creation of shitter cityscapes, can be improved by calling things differently!
An ungrammatical and nonsensical word construction (it’s not even a phrase).
But the “at” word opens up a new section of vocabulary.
– Meekly expressing that Orange Man maybe not all bad: “at-badthink”.
– Canceled author kissing a liberal jackboots and promising to do better: “at-goodthink”.
– Gulag HR section: “at-freedom management”.
Meanwhile, “Munich 2020 – The report”.
This is what extreme taxation buys you. Circlejerk Entropy in a cul-de-sac.
Existential angst over ‘Westlessness’ at Munich conference leaves out the West’s responsibility for its own decline
https://securityconference.org/assets/user_upload/MunichSecurityReport2020.pdf
Never heard of the game, but the sanctimonious dude on the left is pretty much like most of my friends. This is why I have to visit UNZ.COM on a daily basis. Sad, innit?
PS: Noted in passing…is this a good idea really?
I mean, it pisses off the right people–which is usually a virtue–but I can’t help but think that the ‘optics’ will be used against Trump (and us) later this year.
Term ‘At-Promise Youth’ Replaced With ' _____ _____ Youth' In California Penal Codes
by _______ _______
February 13, 2030
SACRAMENTO (AMAZON - CBS13) – The term “at-promise youth” was commonly used in both penal and education codes in California – until now.
Gov. ______ _____ signed legislation that went into effect on Jan. 1 that officially wiped the phrase from the state’s language. The phrase will now be replaced by “_______-________ youth.”Replies: @snorlax, @Hail
Systematically Marginalized
Richard Ramirez
RuPaul
“Not-yet-successful students”
(Yes, I have heard this terminology not only used, but encouraged.)
Say , that gives me a funding idea...
They’re called ‘at risk’ youth because you are ‘at risk’ when you are around them.
The fact that we’re encouraged to discuss and oppose white privilege means it doesn’t exist.
Overt anti-white animosity is acceptable and rewarded in our public square. If white people actually had power and privilege, we would use it to stop discussion and opposition to it.
Criticism of nonwhite, non-Christian groups is not rewarded in the public square, and indeed brings serious social and legal consequences. That’s actual power and privilege.
(Yes, I have heard this terminology not only used, but encouraged.)Replies: @Change that Matters
I’m not yet successfully 6’4″. Thank goodness for my social worker, who says it is my right to reach such lofty altitudes. Heightism. It’s real!
Say , that gives me a funding idea…
OT
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-51501111
Personally, I blame Solon of Athens for starting this:
“The way which, the moderns say, the Athenians have of softening the badness of a thing, by ingeniously giving it some pretty and innocent appellation, calling harlots, for example, mistresses, tributes customs, a garrison a guard, and the jail the chamber, seems originally to have been Solon’s contrivance, who called canceling debts Seisacthea, a relief, or disencumbrance. For the first thing which he settled was, that what debts remained should be forgiven, and no man, for the future, should engage the body of his debtor for security.”
A stark contrast to his predecessor: “First, then, he [Solon] repealed all Draco’s laws, except those concerning homicide, because they were too severe, and the punishments too great; for death was appointed for almost all offenses, insomuch that those that were convicted of idleness were to die, and those that stole a cabbage or an apple to suffer even as villains that committed sacrilege or murder. So that Demades, in after time, was thought to have said very happily, that Draco’s laws were written not with ink, but blood; and he himself, being once asked why he made death the punishment of most offenses, replied, ‘small ones deserve that, and I have no higher for the greater crimes.’”
Quotes from Plutarch.
At promise – maybe at but not of.
“At risk” describes the noncriminal kids who live near where the delinquents will be released.
Anyone notice that anyone with a hyphenated name nowadays (ie Jones-Sawyer) is flat-out evil?
OT: Baseball again. Everyone seems to be raving about the suspicion that the Astros used buzzers to signal stolen pitches. But if they could do that, why bang on a trashcan til the bitter end?
Congratulations to LA for the Dodgers getting Mookie Betts and David Price by the way. Perhaps the NL will for once take the World Series this year?Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Christopher Paul, @Forbes
I’ve only seen evidence that Jose Altuve was equipped with the buzzer. Were there any others?
My guess is that using the buzzer was perceived a pretty risky tactic — it might be seen, it might fall off, it might make some players uncomfortable and hence throw off their batting anyway, etc. I recall seeing footage of a game in which Altuve had a walk-off hit, and was looking extremely nervous as his teammates surrounded him to celebrate; it certainly looked like he was trying to keep them from coming into contact with the buzzer.
The trashcan approach had greater simplicity.
We're due for another Orwellian update soon.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Triumph104
Euphemism Treadmill
http://englishcowpath.blogspot.com/2011/06/euphemism-treadmill-replacing-r-word.html?m=1
They know this, but compelling and prohibiting speech is an effective way of establishing dominance.
This captures the problem of the Democrats and as a result the country perfectly. The Dems simply cannot say no to their activist or loony wing. Anything that is brought up from no-bail for dangerous criminals to work to tranny rights is simply rubber stamped. It used to be sensible Dems would squash such bills. Not anymore everything is voted on a party line vote, especially in deep blue Resistance states and signed by an accommodating governor.
It’s only after the fact when things blow up that there is some second thoughts. In NY, Cuomo recently said that the no-bail law he signed should have been studied more before going into affect. He could have vetoed it but he can’t say no to his activist base.
A columnist gots to eat CTM.
They’re “at-promise” to employ more people in the criminal justice system?
“He could have vetoed it but he can’t say no to his activist base.”
When Cuomo was elected, one of my VDARE colleagues argued that a social liberal/fiscal conservative Democrat like Cuomo would always eventually cave in on fiscal issues. You said it more simply, especially considering that each side (fiscal/social) has a tendency to lead to the other.
Lies upon lies upon lies.
This particular brand of b.s. derives from “labeling theory,” a brand of lies Marxist fake social scientists made up during the 1960s or early ‘70s. Black thugs have no freedom of will, so if you call them “criminals,” “juvenile delinquents,” etc., they’ll become that.
Never mind that people were calling black thugs those terms based on their having committed violent crimes (rape, murder, felonious assault, etc.).
The Marxists knew that, but the young black felons constituted the core of their lumpenproletariat, revolutionary army, so they just said the exact opposite of the truth. Later, they adopted the same stance regarding illegal aliens.
The Marxists lie (“school-to-prison pipeline”), and then when “law-and-order” Republicans surrender, they leverage the lies. Due to the GOP’s invertebrate character, the lies have become ever more outrageous. When you fight lies with the truth, they tell you—as a Marxist told me a day or two ago, at Ron Unz’ article on race and crime—that you are denying “science.”
Simply “African.”
It’s only after the fact when things blow up that there is some second thoughts. In NY, Cuomo recently said that the no-bail law he signed should have been studied more before going into affect. He could have vetoed it but he can’t say no to his activist base.Replies: @IHTG
I don’t think they know why they should say no. If you asked them, they wouldn’t know how to explain it. Basically this:
But for everything, not just immigration. There is no “there” there anymore, no backstop whatsoever on matters of culture.
The exhilaration of unimpeded progress.
I prefer the term, Non-Optimal Decider.
“change the negative connotation”
Be careful. If you get rid of that connotation altogether, who’s gonna pay to correct the inevitable failure of incoming “promisers?” Because the money is to turn the negative into a positive.
“I learned that words matter”
They matter, but they’re not magical. You can’t eliminate riskiness by promising the unlikely option shall prevail.
People who make mistakes are the promise of the future. Lile, I *promise* they’ll continue making mistakes.
A YouTube search for promise margarine black finds this clip:
”What’s in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet”
Invalid -> handicapped -> physically challenged.
Idiot -> retarded -> mentally challenged.
It seems to me, as we keep changing words to make them more pc, they also tends to get longer.
I would not be surprised if we end up using whole senteses to describe some of the latest gender/sexuality/what have you, fads.
I think the moment – if it actually ever existed – where a significant share of the population thinks most kids who cannot follow society’s most basic rules are diamonds in the rough has passed.
Now the project of the left is to reframe language and history so it’s impossible to directly discuss the failures of the constituent parts of the coalition they intend to rule us.
‘At risk’ was euphamistic socialworkerspeak.
What’s notable about this is the absolute hostility to ordinary people’s standards, dispositions, and behavior. Instead, you impose bogus standards defined by a clerisy which seeks to erase the strata of value which differentiates ordinary people from criminals by one which places both under the jurisdiction of the clerisy and allocates sympathy to the latter. Come the revolution, the clerisy should be handed Nansen passports and told to stink up some other corner of the world.
“I learned that words matter – and once they were called ‘at-risk,’ they almost were in the school-to-prison pipeline automatically,” Jones-Sawyer said.
His objection is that deplorables (cops, with the approval of Joe Blow) impose standards and sanctions on his constituents, which is impermissible because peasants cannot judge the gentry.
The whole yammer about ‘Black Lives Matter’ has been animated by this sentiment. One’s risk of being taken out by a police officer is inconsequential as a matter of course and can be reduced to almost nothing by observing ordinary decorum in interactions with said officers. The objection has always been that a party of lower status enforced community standards contra a party of higher status. That’s what it means to say “Black Lives Matter”. Judging from survey research, about 30% of the black rank-and-file buy into this tripe and 100% of the black politicians in this country either buy into it or are too embarrassed to critique it.
The vast majority of people would like a system of natural liberty where careers are open to talents and rewards go to developed skills and applied effort, with a certain amount of common provision to qualify market outcomes and a certain amount of favor-trading tolerated on the margins. We can’t have that because a hi-lo coalition occupies gatekeeper positions, doesn’t want that, and won’t stand for that. I don’t think this is going to end well.
What’s his next move? To solve the homeless problem by changing the name “homeless” to “at-promise-millionaire?”
Young migrants who carry out sadistic and degrading robberies against Swedes do so because they feel hopeless and like they do not belong in society, according to Sweden’s Social Democratic Minister of the Interior Mikael Damberg
In a recent high profile case, an 18-year-old was robbed by two younger assailants who, among other things, peed on him and forced him to open his mouth while doing so.
In an interview with SVT, Mikael Damberg was asked to explain why youth robberies are increasing.
“I don’t think I should have an explanation. I will wait for criminologists and others to tell me what it is due to. But it is obvious that there is a total lack of moral perception here, where these young men can commit almost any disgusting action against other young people. It is something that is lacking in the parenting role, but also that society does not intervene early enough”, said Damberg.
The interviewer then asked Damberg why crime is increasing in the “vulnerable areas”.
“It must be about both lack of parenting and norms, morals and values that are crossed in these gangs, and that is very serious. The second thing is that some of the young people feel hopeless, that they don’t do well in school and that they feel that there is no place for them in society”, the Interior Minister concluded.
https://voiceofeurope.com/2020/02/swedish-interior-minister-says-migrant-robbers-pee-on-their-victims-because-they-feel-hopelessness/Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Aardvark, @BB753
They could go back to country they came from where they would be familiar with the language and culture or they can rob and urinate on the long term incumbents. Interesting set of value choices…
Here in northern Virginia they now refer to juvenile delinquents as “justice-involved individuals”!!!
Aspiring Rapper
Who da f*** you be callin’ “at-rix”?
“Oh, dem po’ at-rix nigroes, tiks-tiks!”
Mo’ like I’m “at-promise”,
You doubtin’-ass Thomas—
You suck and, oh yeah, I mean d***s!
I was going to say the same thing! “At-Risk Youth” was already a euphemism. I’ve mentioned this before, there is probably an automatic “A.I.” style algorithm to determine if something is “bad” by how many times the word for it changes as the “shadow of badness” taints then next new word. A number of black comedians have routines commenting on all the terms for African Americans over time.
Excellent!!! This concept occurred to me a long time ago but I did not know it had a name. See my earlier comment in this thread!
Most people will continue to use the term that has always been used to describe such persons.
Punks
“At promise” fails as a translation, even in the loftiest liberal sense. Right?
Because all young people are “at promise”. But they’re not all “at risk.”
In many ways, the plight of the West boils down to feminization. And the problems of feminization boil down to a narrow nominalism: the word for a thing is the thing. To name a deed is to accomplish the deed. To paraphrase Father M. R. Johnson, ‘nominalism is the root of all evil.’
An at-promise yout’ is a good yout’. Sure thing.
“No educators, no law enforcement will no longer be able to call our young people who make a mistake ‘at-risk,’” Jones-Sawyer said. “We’re going to call them ‘at-promise’ because they’re the promise of the future.”
As indeed they are. They will be the future we are being promised.
And that is the problem.
Young migrants who carry out sadistic and degrading robberies against Swedes do so because they feel hopeless and like they do not belong in society, according to Sweden’s Social Democratic Minister of the Interior Mikael Damberg
In a recent high profile case, an 18-year-old was robbed by two younger assailants who, among other things, peed on him and forced him to open his mouth while doing so.
In an interview with SVT, Mikael Damberg was asked to explain why youth robberies are increasing.
“I don’t think I should have an explanation. I will wait for criminologists and others to tell me what it is due to. But it is obvious that there is a total lack of moral perception here, where these young men can commit almost any disgusting action against other young people. It is something that is lacking in the parenting role, but also that society does not intervene early enough”, said Damberg.
The interviewer then asked Damberg why crime is increasing in the “vulnerable areas”.
“It must be about both lack of parenting and norms, morals and values that are crossed in these gangs, and that is very serious. The second thing is that some of the young people feel hopeless, that they don’t do well in school and that they feel that there is no place for them in society”, the Interior Minister concluded.
https://voiceofeurope.com/2020/02/swedish-interior-minister-says-migrant-robbers-pee-on-their-victims-because-they-feel-hopelessness/Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Aardvark, @BB753
I submit that the explanation for the behavior of Muslims is the reverse than that being given by liberals. That is, Muslims do not misbehave and treat non-Muslims like trash because Muslims lack morals, but to the contrary, since they perceive Westerners as devoid of religion, morals and manliness to defend their turf (country and womenfolk), they routinely assault them, rob them and piss not so metaphorically on them. They do not fear us any longer, but rightly despise modern Westerners.
Let’s not forget that Islam is a religion of conquest and of submission of infidels. Muslims are merely being Muslims and Westerners are being cowards and libtards.
Of course, none of this would happen if our liberal elites weren’t in bed with Saudi Arabia and the Emirates, and weren’t using low-class Muslims in our midst as a club to subdue western citizens into full compliance with globalism.
There is no “there” there anymore, no backstop whatsoever on matters of culture.
The exhilaration of unimpeded progress.
“I learned that words matter – and once they were called ‘at-risk,’ they almost were in the school-to-prison pipeline…”
That’s weak. Don’t worry about redefining “risk”, genius — what you need to redefine is the word PRISON.
How about instead we call it “more school”?
Now, all you’re left with is the “school-to-more-school” pipeline. See? What’s so bad about that? Problem solved.
Or maybe give it one of those funky urban names. I understand that’s an excellent way to ensure that children born in the projects will grow up into upstanding citizens.
How about:
Prison ===> L’prizz
Prison ===> Prizeesha
Prison ===> Sh’jail-jail
And there we have it — the problem has officially been redefined away. The only other problem you might have to deal with is that all of a sudden EVERYBODY will want to go there.
The decline of the Anglosphere in three succinct phrases and phases, though reversed in order. Restoring that order:
1.Degenerate British aristocrats fight over precedence, and arrive at double names like Jones-Sawyer.
2. Their even less talented Jones-Sawyer descendants, homosexualized at effete schools, inflict their sexual identity problems on the public with elegant appellations like ‘Assemblymember’.
3. Ordinary liberal feminist California women, 30 generations removed from any British aristocracy, pass to their offspring clumsy names like Jones-Sawyer, compounded from their own surname plus the soy-dad’s. Said offspring, utterly without any identity unless related to virtue signalling or their pension plan, devise abominations like “at-promise youth”.
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Her paternal surname was the important one because of the money property government positions the woman would inherit or already possessed due to death of her father. So she or her trustees, father , attorneys etc insisted on the double names.
Absolutely nothing to do with precedence.
Your assumption about double naming is complete ignorance about double names.
The pretentious double named Jones-Stewart is a black man, not a White woman. Those double names are not now, and never have been an American woman’s custom.
Did you even read the article?? Byron isn’t a woman’s name and he’s from south Los Angeles. The last White woman left south Los Angeles around 1950. Bryon Jones-Stewart (D south Los Angeles) says it all black man, not White woman to any reader.
Except a women hating scumbag like you.
What about reviving ‘Dindu‘ for general use here?
If they are at-risk of doing something, but didn’t do (or “din du”) anything yet, it is an apt descriptor.
1.Degenerate British aristocrats fight over precedence, and arrive at double names like Jones-Sawyer.
2. Their even less talented Jones-Sawyer descendants, homosexualized at effete schools, inflict their sexual identity problems on the public with elegant appellations like 'Assemblymember'.
3. Ordinary liberal feminist California women, 30 generations removed from any British aristocracy, pass to their offspring clumsy names like Jones-Sawyer, compounded from their own surname plus the soy-dad's. Said offspring, utterly without any identity unless related to virtue signalling or their pension plan, devise abominations like "at-promise youth''.Replies: @Hail, @Anonymous
Good guesses but I see you didn’t google a photo before writing that reaction:
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Dickens’ character Pip was designated “a young gentleman of great expectations,” not at great expectations.
200 years ago they could pick cotton or tobacco. But they’re totally useless now except to give blacks and Hispanics affirmative action government jobs wrangling and herding them from school to prison to parole to more crimes to arrest and prison again.Replies: @Art Deco
200 years ago they could pick cotton or tobacco. But they’re totally useless now e
There is an ample set of low-skill jobs for people with limited human capital. They account for roughly 1/4 of the jobs in the economy. The employment-to-population ratio for blacks is currently about 4% lower than it is for whites. This is largely accounted for by longer job searches. The labor force participation rate is about 1% lower.
Not showing up for their shift, rudeness, filthy language, harassing women, both customers and fellow employees, and constant, constant, fighting arguing, insubordination, refusal or inability to follow orders, being irritable and argumentative or drowsy because of drugs, gossiping, intriguing, lying, accusing supervisors and other employees of doing wrong, sneaking off for an hour of sex or drugging, being drunk, the eternal laziness, the aggressive, arrogant, obnoxious behavior of blacks in low skill jobs makes them unemployable.
The women especially, are exceptionally skilled at doing about 45 minutes of work in an 8 hour day.
Maybe if they just shut up, followed instructions, didn’t fight argue and gossip all day, they would be employable. But they howl and yowl, chuckle, chatter, and chuckle, blither, babble and curse as loudly as possible all day long instead of working
It’s their behavior, not low IQ or lack of skills that makes them unemployable.
You try working with or trying to supervise a crew of aggressive, arrogant, obnoxious. blacks screeching mofa bitch, n****r every other word.
Then re assess your opinion about their employability. If they can’t behave like normal people as 10 year olds in schools where they are babied and catered to all day, how can they behave like normal people in the workplace?Replies: @Art Deco
If you start to call every person with low IQ and lack of impulse control 'a genius' the word soon will become pejorative.Replies: @ia, @Forbes
How so?
“Genius” does not apply here. What they’re saying is, at-promise “youths” have no agency when they behave badly. If they somehow stop acting like animals they acquire agency and get credit for it. IQ and impulse control (whatever that is) doesn’t enter into it.
“Genius” I think would apply where blacks tell whites they’re racist because they, black people, don’t get enough Oscars, professorships, CEO positions, government contracts like museum design, book contracts, mortgages and so forth. It’s not their fault. Then, when given one of these they suddenly overcome white bigotry, all on their own. And virtual-signaling whites can applaud themselves and the black geniuses who are so brave, intelligent, sensitive, etc. Does this deprecate the word genius? They seem pretty smart to me.
In the long run, they don't produce, they just consume; and end up being more weight to be freighted.
OT: Baseball again. Everyone seems to be raving about the suspicion that the Astros used buzzers to signal stolen pitches. But if they could do that, why bang on a trashcan til the bitter end?
Congratulations to LA for the Dodgers getting Mookie Betts and David Price by the way. Perhaps the NL will for once take the World Series this year?Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Christopher Paul, @Forbes
The reigning World Series champs are NL (Washington Nationals).
Let's not forget that Islam is a religion of conquest and of submission of infidels. Muslims are merely being Muslims and Westerners are being cowards and libtards. Of course, none of this would happen if our liberal elites weren't in bed with Saudi Arabia and the Emirates, and weren't using low-class Muslims in our midst as a club to subdue western citizens into full compliance with globalism.Replies: @J.Ross, @nebulafox
Very true, a major element of all forms of Islam is this honor culture thing where you should judge people and treat them accordingly, for the betterment or protection of society and to prove that standards are being upheld. This is why they cut and acid wash women’s faces, and aggressively sexually harass those women who think the dress code does not apply to them, and kill exclusive homosexuals. It’s not a failure of control, they think they’re doing the right thing.
Here in California, on a 95-degree day I observe kids walking home from school wearing sweatshirt hoodies or stocking caps, so don’t get me started on our youth. Of course, I don’t make eye contact with them, because it is a crime here to annoy a teenager (penal code 647); so don’t get me started on our laws. Regarding linguistic change, I would comment, but I an sick and must go to my provider.
If you start to call every person with low IQ and lack of impulse control 'a genius' the word soon will become pejorative.Replies: @ia, @Forbes
Pretty much, it is a contest with prog-lefties to see how many words can be made meaningless.
Racist is used everywhere, every time, on everyone so white supremacist/nationalist had to replace it. Similarly, Nazi/fascist is overused so it gets the same replacement.
No doubt there’s a long list of these “substitutes.” One benefit, I suppose, is the terms become laughable rather than stinging.
OT: Baseball again. Everyone seems to be raving about the suspicion that the Astros used buzzers to signal stolen pitches. But if they could do that, why bang on a trashcan til the bitter end?
Congratulations to LA for the Dodgers getting Mookie Betts and David Price by the way. Perhaps the NL will for once take the World Series this year?Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Christopher Paul, @Forbes
You mean 34-year old David Price who’s won more than 10 games only 3 times in the last 8 seasons? And averaged less than 25 starts per year for Boston the last 4 seasons?
I guess owing only $16 MM per, for 3 years is reasonable fare in today’s MLB, while Bosox pick up the other half of his contract.
Seriously though I am glad that they finally solved the seemingly intractable problem of poor black kids becoming criminals. On to Mars!Replies: @Forbes
Is this the symbol you were looking for…
Lol, you’re right of course. Let me just quietly narrow it to the Dodgers.
I guess owing only $16 MM per, for 3 years is reasonable fare in today's MLB, while Bosox pick up the other half of his contract.Replies: @Pericles
That’s the guy. +1.9 WAR in 2019. Well … I suppose it all helps.
Yeah, the buzzer as far as I can tell mostly seems to be based on Altuve’s unwillingness to be stripped on the field. But there can be other reasonable explanations for that.
In the larger scheme of things a buzzer still seems a lot more discreet than a trashcan so they probably should prefer that if available. On the other hand, maybe some genius thought the trashcan wouldn’t count since it’s like not an electronic device?
They’re called “justice-involved youth” now.
Term ‘At-Promise Youth’ Replaced With ' _____ _____ Youth' In California Penal Codes
by _______ _______
February 13, 2030
SACRAMENTO (AMAZON - CBS13) – The term “at-promise youth” was commonly used in both penal and education codes in California – until now.
Gov. ______ _____ signed legislation that went into effect on Jan. 1 that officially wiped the phrase from the state’s language. The phrase will now be replaced by “_______-________ youth.”Replies: @snorlax, @Hail
Word-bank:
That uses all of the words in the word-bank, excluding the horrible “high-risk.”
There is an ample set of low-skill jobs for people with limited human capital. They account for roughly 1/4 of the jobs in the economy. The employment-to-population ratio for blacks is currently about 4% lower than it is for whites. This is largely accounted for by longer job searches. The labor force participation rate is about 1% lower.Replies: @Anonymous
The promise yout are unsuitable for low skill jobs because of their behavior.
Not showing up for their shift, rudeness, filthy language, harassing women, both customers and fellow employees, and constant, constant, fighting arguing, insubordination, refusal or inability to follow orders, being irritable and argumentative or drowsy because of drugs, gossiping, intriguing, lying, accusing supervisors and other employees of doing wrong, sneaking off for an hour of sex or drugging, being drunk, the eternal laziness, the aggressive, arrogant, obnoxious behavior of blacks in low skill jobs makes them unemployable.
The women especially, are exceptionally skilled at doing about 45 minutes of work in an 8 hour day.
Maybe if they just shut up, followed instructions, didn’t fight argue and gossip all day, they would be employable. But they howl and yowl, chuckle, chatter, and chuckle, blither, babble and curse as loudly as possible all day long instead of working
It’s their behavior, not low IQ or lack of skills that makes them unemployable.
You try working with or trying to supervise a crew of aggressive, arrogant, obnoxious. blacks screeching mofa bitch, n****r every other word.
Then re assess your opinion about their employability. If they can’t behave like normal people as 10 year olds in schools where they are babied and catered to all day, how can they behave like normal people in the workplace?
Any society this side of Switzerland has its lumpenproletariat. That in the black American population is proportionately larger than most, but its still a modest fraction of the whole.Replies: @Anonymous
1.Degenerate British aristocrats fight over precedence, and arrive at double names like Jones-Sawyer.
2. Their even less talented Jones-Sawyer descendants, homosexualized at effete schools, inflict their sexual identity problems on the public with elegant appellations like 'Assemblymember'.
3. Ordinary liberal feminist California women, 30 generations removed from any British aristocracy, pass to their offspring clumsy names like Jones-Sawyer, compounded from their own surname plus the soy-dad's. Said offspring, utterly without any identity unless related to virtue signalling or their pension plan, devise abominations like "at-promise youth''.Replies: @Hail, @Anonymous
The British double name thing happened when a British heiress married.
Her paternal surname was the important one because of the money property government positions the woman would inherit or already possessed due to death of her father. So she or her trustees, father , attorneys etc insisted on the double names.
Absolutely nothing to do with precedence.
Your assumption about double naming is complete ignorance about double names.
The pretentious double named Jones-Stewart is a black man, not a White woman. Those double names are not now, and never have been an American woman’s custom.
Did you even read the article?? Byron isn’t a woman’s name and he’s from south Los Angeles. The last White woman left south Los Angeles around 1950. Bryon Jones-Stewart (D south Los Angeles) says it all black man, not White woman to any reader.
Except a women hating scumbag like you.
“Allegedly at-risk youth.”
Not “reputed.” Only mobsters are “reputed.”
"Genius" does not apply here. What they're saying is, at-promise "youths" have no agency when they behave badly. If they somehow stop acting like animals they acquire agency and get credit for it. IQ and impulse control (whatever that is) doesn't enter into it.
"Genius" I think would apply where blacks tell whites they're racist because they, black people, don't get enough Oscars, professorships, CEO positions, government contracts like museum design, book contracts, mortgages and so forth. It's not their fault. Then, when given one of these they suddenly overcome white bigotry, all on their own. And virtual-signaling whites can applaud themselves and the black geniuses who are so brave, intelligent, sensitive, etc. Does this deprecate the word genius? They seem pretty smart to me.Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage, @bomag
They figured out how to hack whites: our capacity for empathy. It produces amazing societies and the most beautiful art humanity can create, but it also means we can be guilt-tripped into doing things against our interests.
I knew the world was lost when they insisted that the comatose quadriplegic guy be labelled “Differently Abled”.
“‘At-Promise Youth” is s a euphemism… A manipulative euphemism.
What’s the downside? Why get angry about this?
The hope is that this type of euphemism might motivate or encourage some people in a positive direction. And maybe that works at some small level, maybe it doesn’t, but what’s the harm?
I’m going to encourage this in business organizations: “at-risk” projects that cannot meet deadlines will now be referred to as “at-promise” projects.
Yes, it’s almost as if the emotional load of a word is eventually determined by the object it signifies, and not the other way around.
They know this, but compelling and prohibiting speech is an effective way of establishing dominance.
Let's not forget that Islam is a religion of conquest and of submission of infidels. Muslims are merely being Muslims and Westerners are being cowards and libtards. Of course, none of this would happen if our liberal elites weren't in bed with Saudi Arabia and the Emirates, and weren't using low-class Muslims in our midst as a club to subdue western citizens into full compliance with globalism.Replies: @J.Ross, @nebulafox
Don’t make it more complicated than it is. They mistreat people mainly because they are lower-class, primitive young males who know they can get away with it. They mostly do it because they think it is fun, and it is a great way to work off all their accumulated perceived resentments against the world. They know damned well what they are doing is malicious, not moral: that’s why they enjoy it. This isn’t like the Nazis or Communists relying off of a perverted moral energy on higher-functioning tiers of society.
I am sure that their Islamic cultural perception that Westerners are a bunch of impious, effete cowards who don’t believe in anything higher than themselves and can’t even be bothered to reproduce correctly adds to the vehemence. As does the feeling of “getting back” at the former conquerors, whose countries are still so visibly superior to their own, and where they have no place: their anger are those of rejects. But those are add-ons. The main root is something you’ll see elsewhere in the world, anywhere where this demographic doesn’t fear punishment and doesn’t have anything else to do with their days. Young men like that will act badly unless you keep them in line: and give them a higher purpose. And I’m willing to be anything these guys watch porn, fornicate (or want to), drink, and do drugs behind the maybe dozen or so Qu’ran verses they’ve memorized in order to win Internet fights. Ideology serves the need to belong, not the other way around. Even the outright wannabe jihadis do those things. Dumbed-down Qutbism serves as a nice excuse and guiding factor to act out their nihilistic fantasies, but it isn’t like they actually understand the religion or care about theology. They are anything but impressive.
I am not saying this has *nothing* to do with Islamic culture… but it is also important to not give these thugs too much credit. They are the kind of half-wit that wouldn’t be out of place in the gangs of the inner cities, or loser neo-Nazi skinhead types.
But the "at" word opens up a new section of vocabulary.
- Meekly expressing that Orange Man maybe not all bad: "at-badthink".
- Canceled author kissing a liberal jackboots and promising to do better: "at-goodthink".
- Gulag HR section: "at-freedom management".
Meanwhile, "Munich 2020 - The report".
This is what extreme taxation buys you. Circlejerk Entropy in a cul-de-sac.
Existential angst over ‘Westlessness’ at Munich conference leaves out the West’s responsibility for its own decline
https://securityconference.org/assets/user_upload/MunichSecurityReport2020.pdfReplies: @nebulafox
Merkel not opening the border in 2015 -> lack of fuel for the AfD, and for the European far-right in general, in 2020.
For once, it’s really that simple.
Not showing up for their shift, rudeness, filthy language, harassing women, both customers and fellow employees, and constant, constant, fighting arguing, insubordination, refusal or inability to follow orders, being irritable and argumentative or drowsy because of drugs, gossiping, intriguing, lying, accusing supervisors and other employees of doing wrong, sneaking off for an hour of sex or drugging, being drunk, the eternal laziness, the aggressive, arrogant, obnoxious behavior of blacks in low skill jobs makes them unemployable.
The women especially, are exceptionally skilled at doing about 45 minutes of work in an 8 hour day.
Maybe if they just shut up, followed instructions, didn’t fight argue and gossip all day, they would be employable. But they howl and yowl, chuckle, chatter, and chuckle, blither, babble and curse as loudly as possible all day long instead of working
It’s their behavior, not low IQ or lack of skills that makes them unemployable.
You try working with or trying to supervise a crew of aggressive, arrogant, obnoxious. blacks screeching mofa bitch, n****r every other word.
Then re assess your opinion about their employability. If they can’t behave like normal people as 10 year olds in schools where they are babied and catered to all day, how can they behave like normal people in the workplace?Replies: @Art Deco
Their counterparts 90 years ago were also a problem for supervisors.
Any society this side of Switzerland has its lumpenproletariat. That in the black American population is proportionately larger than most, but its still a modest fraction of the whole.
You’re not writing from experience of blacks in the workplace.Replies: @Art Deco, @Anonymous
This is another indication, in case we needed one, that the social worker mentality has no place in a serious country. One way to extirpate it would be to dismantle social work as an independent profession, shut down social work faculties, and remove people with social work degrees from public employment. Have the child protective service manned by sheriff’s deputies, public health nurses, and junior grade clinical psychologists who’ve all had some cross training. Have the liaison officers in hospitals and nursing homes trained on the job. Have the junior grade mental health tradesmen trained in clinical psychology. Have the public sector bureaucrats trained in public administration programs (and recruited and promoted according to examination results). Have school administrators trained in budgeting, facilities planning, and staff supervision. Confine school psychologists to aptitude testing. Confine publicly-financed common provision to services (e.g. the public defender’s office); to vouchers, insurance, and allowances for the elderly and disabled; and to vouchers, insurance, and allowances for people who demonstrate some level of social competence (by way of example, matching funds for earned income). Simplify the menu of common provision so the impecunious won’t need guides and gatekeepers and markets are less distorted (ending subsidies for housing, groceries, gas and electric, and day care services, among other things).
I don’t buy it. They’re more like status-marking Eloi. No whites I know feel guilty about caving to fake-victim shakedowns. They feel superior to the haters and bigots.
Jess looks a lot like Jaden Smith. Or vice versa.
"Genius" does not apply here. What they're saying is, at-promise "youths" have no agency when they behave badly. If they somehow stop acting like animals they acquire agency and get credit for it. IQ and impulse control (whatever that is) doesn't enter into it.
"Genius" I think would apply where blacks tell whites they're racist because they, black people, don't get enough Oscars, professorships, CEO positions, government contracts like museum design, book contracts, mortgages and so forth. It's not their fault. Then, when given one of these they suddenly overcome white bigotry, all on their own. And virtual-signaling whites can applaud themselves and the black geniuses who are so brave, intelligent, sensitive, etc. Does this deprecate the word genius? They seem pretty smart to me.Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage, @bomag
In a way, but short-term.
In the long run, they don’t produce, they just consume; and end up being more weight to be freighted.
What's the downside? Why get angry about this?
The hope is that this type of euphemism might motivate or encourage some people in a positive direction. And maybe that works at some small level, maybe it doesn't, but what's the harm?Replies: @Harry Baldwin
Some of us resent being shamelessly lied to and expected to pretend we believe.
Any society this side of Switzerland has its lumpenproletariat. That in the black American population is proportionately larger than most, but its still a modest fraction of the whole.Replies: @Anonymous
If you’d ever worked with blacks, from lowest level to the 90K affirmative action ones you’d know it’s not a “ modest fraction of the whole” you’d know it’s the majority.
You’re not writing from experience of blacks in the workplace.
1. Yes I've worked with blacks.
2. Somehow, they manage to stay employed. Maybe because the supervisors who hire them are normal adults without a grotesquely bad attitude.
3. My sympathies to your staff and your family.
Just never make the mistake of thinking that there is no difference, as opposed to necessarily thinking of them as an outright varmint. Keeping a professional distance is always the thing to do. That's always the thing to do with people you work with, your "air family" as someone put it once. But with blacks it is more important. You're the zookeeper and they are the hippo, and never get between them and water or their baby hippos.
Hippos, though, have the decency to be grateful when you toss them a watermelon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wyhhxOZazI
CNN Anchor Michael Avenatti convicted of trying to extort Nike.Replies: @Jack D, @Prester John
CNN has already memory-holed this guy. LOL.
I’m guessing you have some legitimate resentments and grievances, but non on this specific issue. I imagine you aren’t involved in the California penal system. You are probably just projecting resentment from other aspects of life onto this unrelated issue. And this seems more a euphemism than a lie.
Thank you, Harry Baldwin. Framed and mounted.
You’re not writing from experience of blacks in the workplace.Replies: @Art Deco, @Anonymous
If you’d ever worked with blacks, from lowest level to the 90K affirmative action ones you’d know it’s not a “ modest fraction of the whole” you’d know it’s the majority.
1. Yes I’ve worked with blacks.
2. Somehow, they manage to stay employed. Maybe because the supervisors who hire them are normal adults without a grotesquely bad attitude.
3. My sympathies to your staff and your family.
Are the California law-makers trying to parody Orwell?
The labels for a group held in low esteem by the majority seem to change pretty frequently. For the disabled, when I was a boy, we used phrases such as “crippled children”, or “retarded children”, and those phrases are now clearly unacceptable. Today, much of the debate about the right words to use for the disabled takes place online, where one will find a range of opinions, including extremely complicated instructions (https://www.arcind.org/families/what-do-you-call-people-with-disabilities/ ). Those complicated instructions emerged without the interference of elected officials, and that’s how it should be: the appropriate words to use belong to the domain of civil society, not government.
Thompson & Bezos — separated at birth.
You’re not writing from experience of blacks in the workplace.Replies: @Art Deco, @Anonymous
I have worked both with the upper and middle class blacks and with the much more numerous but less-often-encountered-by-whites “ghetto” or underclass blacks. The former are mostly manageable as long as they are kept in a controllable minority and sometimes actually pretty decent. The latter are usable only where they do not face customers and work with their own kind but are managed by tough outsiders and the work is pretty simple and repetitive.
Just never make the mistake of thinking that there is no difference, as opposed to necessarily thinking of them as an outright varmint. Keeping a professional distance is always the thing to do. That’s always the thing to do with people you work with, your “air family” as someone put it once. But with blacks it is more important. You’re the zookeeper and they are the hippo, and never get between them and water or their baby hippos.
Hippos, though, have the decency to be grateful when you toss them a watermelon.
You are wrong in that they are not losers. For they are winning the religious and demographic war. Our stupid elites don’t realize how dangerous their pet Muslims can turn out to be, despite their limited wits and inbreeding. There’s strength in numbers and in brutish ignorance.