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Notes on the debate:

Hillary “looking for ways to celebrate our diversity” and “overcome divisiveness.”

Will she use the word “vibrancy” again?

Trump mentions “strong border” in first answer, in comparison to first debate when it took him 61 minutes to get to the word “border.” He mentions two cops who were murdered this weekend in talking about “law and order.”

Hillary brings up the former Miss Universe again (Alicia Machado).

Hillary: “This is not who we are.”

Hillary’s answer on how she’s shocked, shocked by Trump’s 2005 lewd comments would be pretty good except for the fact that the only reason she ever got higher in life than, say, a Congressman’s chief of staff is because she is married to Bill Clinton.

But you are supposed to vote for Hillary because she is a self-made woman. Or something.

That’s one of the weirdest things about this election: it’s obvious that Hillary’s main reason for being the Democratic nominee is that her husband is term limited out of a third term, the way Lurleen Wallace was elected governor of Georgia when George Wallace got term limited out of running. But we’re all supposed to act like Hillary has taken on the entire male sex by running for President, rather than coasting on her husband’s slipstream.

Hillary pretty much punted on Trump’s counter-attack on her husband by not defending Bill but instead attacking Donald over various insensitive things he’d said before.

Trump says he will appoint a special prosecutor to look into Hillary’s emails.

“Because you’d be in jail.”

Will Trump say the word “wall” tonight?

Trump talking about health insurance company monopolies within each state — good point. Otherwise, Trump is not very personally reassuring on highly technical questions like health care finance.

Arab lady asks about what the candidates will do for her to fight Islamophobia. Trump replied, “That’s a shame … but Muslims have to report the problems when they see them.”

Hillary: “Unfortunately, there have been a lot of very divisive, dark things said about Muslims. … We’ve had Muslims in America since George Washington. My vision of America is one where everyone has a place …”

Why won’t Hillary say “radical Islamic terror”?

Hillary says “There are a lot of refugees.” She blames it on Russian aggression.

Trump: I understand the border. She doesn’t it. She has bad judgment.

Will Trump bring up Hillary’s “open trade and open borders”?

Hillary is implicitly confirming authenticity of Podesta Emails from Wikileaks by putting her two positions comment in perspective of Spielberg’s “Lincoln” movie.

Looks like he’s going to forget to mention Hillary’s “open borders” comment in Wikileaks.

Trump needs to tie his tax cuts into nationalism: We’re going to ask the rich to invest more within America, in return we’ll encourage them. Or something like that.

I think Trump should fight primarily not on issues but on principles: Do American citizens have the right to control their borders?

Question: “Is Aleppo like The Holocaust when the US waited too long to help?”

Huh?

Hillary blames Russians, advocates no-fly zones, and work more closely with our partners and their allies on the ground. “What is at stake here is the ambitions and aggressiveness of Russia.”

Trump: “She doesn’t even know who the rebels are. … Look at Gadaffi in Libya.”

Trump sounding like Pence on foreign policy.

Now Trump says he disagrees with Pence on Russia: Trump says let’s focus on beating ISIS, not on beating Assad. That sounds like a winning soundbite: Hillary thinks the worst problems in the Middle East are Assad and Putin, while Trump thinks it’s ISIS. Hillary can’t make up her mind who is the enemy in Syria, while Trump is focused on ISIS.

Hillary has complicated plans for Syria but it’s hard to tell whom she is talking about attacking. She clearly enjoys thinking about drone striking people, but she forgot to mention whose side they are on.

So, what does Hillary have lined up for the last 15 minutes? Because so far she has let Trump get back into the race …

Hillary talking about the Trump Effect Menace of rightwing 6 year olds bullying helpless Children of Color.

Hillary enumerating all the components of her Coalition of the Fringes and how Trump says mean things about them. He’s the Emonahanal Havenstein of 2016.

Trump: Look at Charlotte, Baltimore, Chicago. Biggest increase in murder in 45 years.

“She has tremendous hate in her heart.” That could be an important statement to get out there and get people thinking about.

Anderson Cooper talking up Alicia Machado, even though Anderson did get Alicia to say, more or less, that everybody in Venezuela has been involved in a few murder plots.

Trump defending Tweeting.

Hillary talking up Bill Clinton’s economy.

Hillary wants a Supreme Court to reverse Citizens United and get dark, unaccountable money out of politics. Irony?

Trump is wearing his red tie tonight, not the depressing blue one from the first debate. Red ties rule in Presidential debates.

Trump asking why Hillary isn’t putting 25 million of her own money she made off having been in power into her campaign so she doesn’t have to pander to quite so many special interests.

Hillary: “I respect the second amendment, but believes in comprehensive background checks …” it’s like extreme vetting for Americans. But the Zeroth Amendment says we can’t vet foreigners.

Trump hasn’t mentioned the Wall or Hillary’s “open borders” Wikileak.

Trump hasn’t mentioned any of his private conversations with Sean Hannity once all night.

Seems like Trump won the debate, even without a mention of The Wall or her “open borders” leak.

The PBS post-debate analysts are mournful, so I guess that proves Trump won.

Maybe Hillary figures the media has so many more Trump Tapes lined up to be released every 48 hours until the election day that she didn’t need to do very well tonight?

The rubber match of the debate series will be Wednesday, October 19, ten days from now.

 
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  1. pussy is a wonderful word with along and storied tradition.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @tyrone

    haha! Pussy Galore!

    My last prediction before I start making dinner: Trump can not dump on the Senators and Congress members, tonight, like the wusses they are, who are abandoning his ship. Let them; just don't talk about it with anyone.

    I will probably never vote for another Republican in my lifetime, after Nov., because the country is changing due to immigration, so there will always be a majority Democrat populace. The Republicans will realize that profound reality if Trump does not wind up in the White House.

    Once, again, the next 4 years could be a re-set for the GOP/they will at least, get one SCOTUS in - which is so fracking important! With Trump in the WH, there is time to develop a truly dynamic and intense Republican candidate. Donald is almost doing a service by giving them a path to a future candidate that they are excited about.

    I'm sorry, but none of the other 16 candidates were going to win...not a chance. They've got some key issues that I have always hated - mostly social. This year, the election is an existential crisis of what the USA means anymore.....a weak country which will turn into a Banana Republic with an elite, walled-off, private jetty-jet set; or the most unique, pragmatic, prosperous, innovative, most generous, with a "high trust" society, country in the world. The "what's in it for me," politicians need to be kicked out, like in Brazil.

    But, skip dragging Bill into this - not worth it. As much as I am the real misogynist here (I really, have always hated most women), I know Trump is not...but he must resist getting revenge. 'Cause that's what it will come across as. I mean, she called Bernie Bros losers, so that's really a misandrist comment! Bernie supporters can claim Misandry! But, pleez no sexy-time talk tonight! Pivot with aplomb! Think of your children's reputations - gotta shelve yours.

    Replies: @Bugg

  2. It’s over, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @A-Bax
    @David G

    For [email protected]'s sake man! Turn off the TV and stop reading the traitorous cuck websites. This GOPe coup attempt will blow over just like Machado, Curiel, Muslim soldier-Dad, etc. As agnostic has said, don't spaz out over the debate. There are almost no genuinely undecided voters left.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @David G

    Buy when there's blood in the streets. Trump is trading at 19 cents on PredictIt now: https://www.predictit.org/Market/1234/Who-will-win-the-2016-US-presidential-election

    I got a few at 18 cents yesterday.

    You can bet as little as $10. Might as well drop a few $ on him.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    , @rod1963
    @David G

    It's not over, that's what the MSM wants you to think. The polls and commentators are all there to demoralize Trump voters and to make Hillary inevitable. Look how the pollsters are always oversampling women and democrats, that's a blatant sign of poll rigging.

    And I doubt at this stage there are any appreciable amount of undecided voters left. Look if a person can't decide who to vote for by now, they aren't worth pursuing, they're either idiots or spoiled rich kids living with mom and dad or senile retirees.

    Lest you think it's over, look at the turn out for Hillary's rallies. They are often no more than a few hundred with about half the attendees Hillary staffers and the rest bused in actors and hacks. No one really wants to see or listen to her, no one. Compare her turn out to Trump's which always hit the multiple thousand mark.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    , @Percy Gryce
    @David G

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE&feature=youtu.be&t=24s

    , @WowJustWow
    @David G

    If the RNC has really decided to throw the election by cancelling get-out-the-vote efforts, it might be: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/rnc-halts-all-victory-project-work-for-trump-229363

    Replies: @abner

  3. When is the Don going to link immigration to jobs, wages, and environmental conservation?

    • Replies: @Inscrutoroku Japamoto
    @Anonymous

    ...and public health. Trump ought to hammer on dengue fever, zika, TB, enterovirus...

  4. Trump’s advisors are giving him contradicting advice and the last few days have been spent weathering October Surprise #1 rather than preparing for debate night. I don’t think you can blame Trump for this mess either; Mittens was a veteran politician and got awfully unnerved in 2012 after that summer-long smear campaign by Messina & Company. At least we won’t have to witness Mr. America First actually passing that promised pseudo-amnesty from his immigration speech. Any reasonable person should have realized his candidacy was too good to be true once that little tidbit came out.

    • Replies: @Pseudonymic Handle
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Mittens was a one-term governor, not a seasoned politician.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    , @Difference Maker
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    "Any reasonable person should have realized his candidacy was too good to be true once that little tidbit came out"

    Any autistic person, you mean

  5. @tyrone
    pussy is a wonderful word with along and storied tradition.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    haha! Pussy Galore!

    My last prediction before I start making dinner: Trump can not dump on the Senators and Congress members, tonight, like the wusses they are, who are abandoning his ship. Let them; just don’t talk about it with anyone.

    I will probably never vote for another Republican in my lifetime, after Nov., because the country is changing due to immigration, so there will always be a majority Democrat populace. The Republicans will realize that profound reality if Trump does not wind up in the White House.

    Once, again, the next 4 years could be a re-set for the GOP/they will at least, get one SCOTUS in – which is so fracking important! With Trump in the WH, there is time to develop a truly dynamic and intense Republican candidate. Donald is almost doing a service by giving them a path to a future candidate that they are excited about.

    I’m sorry, but none of the other 16 candidates were going to win…not a chance. They’ve got some key issues that I have always hated – mostly social. This year, the election is an existential crisis of what the USA means anymore…..a weak country which will turn into a Banana Republic with an elite, walled-off, private jetty-jet set; or the most unique, pragmatic, prosperous, innovative, most generous, with a “high trust” society, country in the world. The “what’s in it for me,” politicians need to be kicked out, like in Brazil.

    But, skip dragging Bill into this – not worth it. As much as I am the real misogynist here (I really, have always hated most women), I know Trump is not…but he must resist getting revenge. ‘Cause that’s what it will come across as. I mean, she called Bernie Bros losers, so that’s really a misandrist comment! Bernie supporters can claim Misandry! But, pleez no sexy-time talk tonight! Pivot with aplomb! Think of your children’s reputations – gotta shelve yours.

    • Replies: @Bugg
    @Lagertha

    Problem with this is 4 years of Hillary after 8 years of Obama means game over. Mass immigration dooms the GOP is some of their stronger states, like Texas. Florida, North Carolina and Virginia will be blue forever. The demographics doom any GOP shot in the Electoral College. And SCOTUS; in addition to the Scalia seat. Ginsberg and Breyer figure to retire. Anthony Kennedy is 80, Clarence Thomas is 68. The GOP is still of the mind that we'll get them next time. But there isn't going to be a next time. It will be over.

    Really have no idea what the hell is going to happen tonight.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Lagertha

  6. @David G
    It's over, isn't it?

    Replies: @A-Bax, @Dave Pinsen, @rod1963, @Percy Gryce, @WowJustWow

    For [email protected]’s sake man! Turn off the TV and stop reading the traitorous cuck websites. This GOPe coup attempt will blow over just like Machado, Curiel, Muslim soldier-Dad, etc. As agnostic has said, don’t spaz out over the debate. There are almost no genuinely undecided voters left.

    • Agree: Travis
  7. I hope Trump takes the kid gloves off and goes Nuclear! They’ve been so dirty it’s time to get down in the mud with them. Trump should right away bring up the devastating Breitbart interview with three of Bill’s rape and sexual assault victims. Talk is one thing, felony sex crimes are another. Bill is a sexual predator and Hillary is his accomplice after the fact.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    @JimboHarambe

    Trump needs to mention Bill as little as possible (unless it's a quick comeback and leave it at that) and spend as much time as possible on the issues - trade, immigration, crime, middle-east wars, Libya.

    If it's just a question of them bad-mouthing each other's character then the media can be relied upon to spin for Hillary.

    Replies: @Difference Maker

  8. Clinton is going to DESTROY Trump.

    I can’t believe some of you morons think that he had a chance.

    People of a color (the future) hate him

    That tells you something right there

    • LOL: anon930
    • Troll: Kyle a, Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday
    @Tiny Duck

    Uh, actually it's the moderators and the media pundits that are going to do all the work. All Mrs. Clinton has to do is recite her lines without drooling or having a coughing fit. Trump could have a masterful peformance, and all the press is going to talk about is how badly she outscored him.

    Trump is actually going to be lucky if all that happens to him is that he loses the election. With the media hysteria cranked up, I would have to think that his personal safety is in danger, and once the election is over, he probably will have a difficult time going back to private business. Clinton's DOJ, with GOPe connivance, is going to make an example of him to show anyone else who's contemplating taking on the establishment that doing so will ruin them.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Hibernian

    , @Mark Eugenikos
    @Tiny Duck

    Hey Tiny, to which country are you going to move on 11/9, after Trump's win? Mexico or Canada? I hope you are qualified enough to be accepted as an immigrant to either of those two. If not, you could always try volunteer work in Haiti.

    , @Unladen Swallow
    @Tiny Duck

    Yes, it does tell us something, you are a moron.

    , @Fictitious Email
    @Tiny Duck

    How are you always able to post within the first 10 comments? Do you monitor this site or something? Do you not have a life?

    Replies: @TheJester

    , @Former Darfur
    @Tiny Duck

    Tiny D*ck


    People of a color (the future) hate him
     
    The color of the future is white....along with, maybe, a few yellows, like the Japanese maybe, or the whiter mercantile minorities.

    For all others, there is no future. Also, there is no past. They have timeless societies. Nothing changes. Their art, music, clothing, architecture stays the same over centuries, even millennia.
    Arabs dressed the same in 60, 600, 1600 AD. Chinese invented gunpowder and movable type, they made fireworks and playing cards, but nothing changed. The Europeans rediscovered them and overthrew the entire social order in a human lifetime.
    , @Tracy
    @Tiny Duck

    How's about enjoying a nice dish of Roasted Crow? I hear Trump will be having the Tiny Duck a l'Orange with a side of mashed Kiss My Ass.

  9. If Trump doesn’t make it he should use his fabulous wealth to go full Oswald Mosley.

    I’d join.

  10. @JimboHarambe
    I hope Trump takes the kid gloves off and goes Nuclear! They've been so dirty it's time to get down in the mud with them. Trump should right away bring up the devastating Breitbart interview with three of Bill's rape and sexual assault victims. Talk is one thing, felony sex crimes are another. Bill is a sexual predator and Hillary is his accomplice after the fact.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew

    Trump needs to mention Bill as little as possible (unless it’s a quick comeback and leave it at that) and spend as much time as possible on the issues – trade, immigration, crime, middle-east wars, Libya.

    If it’s just a question of them bad-mouthing each other’s character then the media can be relied upon to spin for Hillary.

    • Replies: @Difference Maker
    @Anonymous Nephew

    This was foolish.

  11. Make America Grope Again!

  12. Predict has the chance of Trump winning the election at 19.5%.

    Nate Silver’s three models have Trump at 14.6, 18.8, and 22.9%.

    The first and lowest number looks only at polls and how accurate they are in the past. So for a simplified example, the model says if a candidate is losing by 3 points in the polls, he wins 24% of the time.

    The second looks at both polls and mean reversion from now until the election.

    The third includes a few other adjustments.

    Before the first debate, Silver had Trump as high as 52% and predictit had him as high as 38%.

    • Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber
    @Lot

    The damage done to Trump's already-bruised ego is the main obstacle here, not whether or not he can make a comeback. An inability to focus on trade, immigration, and overseas conflicts during public events won't be remedied by further emotional agitation.

    , @bored identity
    @Lot

    The fiasco over Brexit polls and its whole scientific-hucksterism shows that what Gold,Silver & Bronzenstein think of Trump's chances for the presidency is certainly more important than REAL opinions of our neighbors, coworkers , family members and friends...Not.

    Cold anger combined with a secret ballot is concoction that scares the Uniparty apartchiks the most;

    They are perfectly aware that Trump stands way better with a silently brewing monster-vote than the rigged polls are telegraphing.


    Therefore, no sign of defection among evangelical heavy hitters who support Trump from the beginning, while almost three-quarters of Republicans, or 74%, said GOP leaders should still back Trump.

    All of the fabricated pussy-rioting has a same sponsorship, here and in Russia as well.

    I give 52% , 64% and 83% ( you know, 3 models....very complicated to explain) chances that your moneyball-prophet Nate is on the same payroll.

    , @George
    @Lot

    Two possibilities for hope. First polling techniques from the landline and snail mail world of the past no longer work either because they don't predict preference or they don't predict turnout. Second, the same newspapers that insist Trump will be Putin's pawn while declaring nuclear war on Russia are conducting fraudulent polls. Third, maybe they are right some 16 yo autistic hacker in some unpronounceable Russian village will hack the election results.

    Replies: @Romanian

  13. @Lot
    Predict has the chance of Trump winning the election at 19.5%.

    Nate Silver's three models have Trump at 14.6, 18.8, and 22.9%.

    The first and lowest number looks only at polls and how accurate they are in the past. So for a simplified example, the model says if a candidate is losing by 3 points in the polls, he wins 24% of the time.

    The second looks at both polls and mean reversion from now until the election.

    The third includes a few other adjustments.

    Before the first debate, Silver had Trump as high as 52% and predictit had him as high as 38%.

    Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber, @bored identity, @George

    The damage done to Trump’s already-bruised ego is the main obstacle here, not whether or not he can make a comeback. An inability to focus on trade, immigration, and overseas conflicts during public events won’t be remedied by further emotional agitation.

  14. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    Trump's advisors are giving him contradicting advice and the last few days have been spent weathering October Surprise #1 rather than preparing for debate night. I don't think you can blame Trump for this mess either; Mittens was a veteran politician and got awfully unnerved in 2012 after that summer-long smear campaign by Messina & Company. At least we won't have to witness Mr. America First actually passing that promised pseudo-amnesty from his immigration speech. Any reasonable person should have realized his candidacy was too good to be true once that little tidbit came out.

    Replies: @Pseudonymic Handle, @Difference Maker

    Mittens was a one-term governor, not a seasoned politician.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Pseudonymic Handle

    More seasoned than the Donald.

  15. Going back to contingency plans to fight and block amnesty if Trump loses.

    Courts

    1. If the Democrats also retake the Senate, quickly confirm Garland.
    2. If the GOP holds the Senate, simply leave the seat open. (If they wanted to be nice about it, they could let Hillary fill Ginsberg’s seat, but never let her fill Scalia’s). They also need to stop any and all Clinton appointments to the DC, Fifth, and Fourth Circuit Courts of Appeal.

    States

    I wrote about some “best practices” to keep actual voters more white and middle class than potential voters:

    The most effective methods in my view is to (1) require voter ID (2) make becoming an absentee voter hard (3) restrict or eliminate early voting (4) cut back on the budget for elections with no announcement or fanfare (5) and most effectively, a permanent ban on felon voting.

    This last rule is only in place in three states, despite the fact that about 28 states have complete GOP control of state government.

    Another pro-white state policy is cutting state income and local property taxes in favor of higher sales taxes, which are harder for illegal immigrants and off the books people to avoid. The various exemptions on sales taxes for food, clothes, etc, should also be eliminated.

    Worst Case Scenario Options

    If the Democrats win the Senate, Presidency, and manage to vacate the Texas judge’s stay of the executive amnesty, the only option left is for the House to refuse to fund large portions of the government unless the amnesty policy is fully repealed. Hard to see that happening as long as Ryan is speaker. However, Ryan’s strongest supporters tend to be Republicans in swing districts who rely on his Koch Brothers and Chamber of Commerce cash, and likely about 20 of them would lose in the scenario of a Hillary and Democrat Senate win. The remaining, narrower GOP House majority therefore would at least be a better majority. There is also the hope that the GOPe will learn their lesson from this cycle and no longer push amnesty.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Lot


    Another pro-white state policy is cutting state income and local property taxes in favor of higher sales taxes, which are harder for illegal immigrants and off the books people to avoid. The various exemptions on sales taxes for food, clothes, etc, should also be eliminated.

     

    Wrong. All taxes EXCEPT property taxes are avoidable by immigrants willing to offer a "cash discount." Texas has property taxes and no income taxes, so there is less flow from legitimate wage earners to undocumented cash earners. Kollivornia, with Prop 13, is heavily dependent on income and sales taxes. Which state are whites fleeing, and which are they moving to?

    Replies: @Anon

  16. You guys, it’s not the comments that are the problem. It’s the admission of sexual assault. There was a woman who said Trump grabbed her like that who was ignored. Yeah he’s a vulgar misandric jerk, but the real problem is that he is committing criminal sexual offenses. Those aren’t “comments” and it’s really baffling to see people referring to it as such.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Tiny Duck

    https://twitter.com/JohnRiversToo/status/785210213502623745

    , @German_reader
    @Tiny Duck

    "Yeah he’s a vulgar misandric jerk"

    lol, you're doing this intentionally, aren't you?

    , @Colleen Pater
    @Tiny Duck

    its not sexual assault if they like it, hes pretty clear they like it they usually let him. you wouldnt understand its an alpha thing. WOMEN LOVE SEXUAL ASSAULT, what they dont like is tiny beta ducks touching them, even looking at them

    Replies: @Tracy

    , @Stephen R. Diamond
    @Tiny Duck

    He said he was prevaricating during his "locker room talk." He didn't really do such things. I believe he was lying. He usually is.

  17. To John McCain, to Paul RINO, to Mike Huckabee, to all the GOPe and their scribbling lackeys in the media, to all the Trumpian ship-jumpers, to all the doubters and scoffers who infest these comment threads, I say that now, this very evening, on the day when loyalties are tested, when manhoods weighed and measured, when love of country proved, from this day forward I swear by the living God thou shalt hold thy tongue, and whenever politics is mentioned thou shalt slouch in dry self-abasement, and cast thine eyes downward, and never shall presume to represent the people of these United States again, for thou did not stand with Trump upon St. Crispin’s day.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Love it! It just sent shivers up my spine!

  18. @David G
    It's over, isn't it?

    Replies: @A-Bax, @Dave Pinsen, @rod1963, @Percy Gryce, @WowJustWow

    Buy when there’s blood in the streets. Trump is trading at 19 cents on PredictIt now: https://www.predictit.org/Market/1234/Who-will-win-the-2016-US-presidential-election

    I got a few at 18 cents yesterday.

    You can bet as little as $10. Might as well drop a few $ on him.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Dave Pinsen

    I would donate directly to the campaign. You can donate up to $199 without showing up on FEC lists, from what I remember.

    That said it may be more useful to volunteer with your local GOP to turn out GOP votes to protect the Senate and House. We want to be able to slow down Hillary. And we need to make it clear to the GOP congressmen that amnesty will not be tolerated.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen


    Buy when there’s blood in the streets. Trump is trading at 19 cents on PredictIt now:
     
    All the forces of the globalist empire are against Trump. Trump can never be allowed to win. And the DHS will step in if necessary. The 19 cents is just a manufactured number by the perfidious shysters looking to make money off the schlubs who'd be on Fan Duel is they had a smidgen more testosterone.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Dave Pinsen

    I wish I had seen your post earlier. I had to take 24 cents on Trump.

    Replies: @Lot

  19. @Tiny Duck
    Clinton is going to DESTROY Trump.

    I can't believe some of you morons think that he had a chance.

    People of a color (the future) hate him

    That tells you something right there

    Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Mark Eugenikos, @Unladen Swallow, @Fictitious Email, @Former Darfur, @Tracy

    Uh, actually it’s the moderators and the media pundits that are going to do all the work. All Mrs. Clinton has to do is recite her lines without drooling or having a coughing fit. Trump could have a masterful peformance, and all the press is going to talk about is how badly she outscored him.

    Trump is actually going to be lucky if all that happens to him is that he loses the election. With the media hysteria cranked up, I would have to think that his personal safety is in danger, and once the election is over, he probably will have a difficult time going back to private business. Clinton’s DOJ, with GOPe connivance, is going to make an example of him to show anyone else who’s contemplating taking on the establishment that doing so will ruin them.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Sgt. Joe Friday

    Unless....he gets all the electoral votes, even of formerly Blue states...possible....just saying.

    , @Hibernian
    @Sgt. Joe Friday

    Especially after, early in the debate tonight, he threatened her with a prison term if he wins.

    Replies: @FactsAreImportant

  20. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Geraldo Rivera: ‘I have tapes’ of ‘embarrassing’ statements from Trump”

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/geraldo-rivera-i-have-tapes-of-embarrassing-statements-from-trump-229433

    In the aftermath of a 2005 recording of Trump making sexually aggressive and crude comments about women in a conversation with NBC’s Billy Bush, Fox News’ Geraldo Rivera said that he has uncovered more “embarrassing” statements that Trump made during interviews with the show host.

    “I have interviewed Donald Trump many times and been with him many times and I have tapes,” Rivera said on Fox News’ The Five Sunday. “My brother and I have been starting to go through the tapes now and there are statements that, in the context of the current climate, would be embarrassing.”

    Rivera did not say whether he plans to release those recordings, nor was he specific about what they might contain except to say that he had not heard Trump use the word “pussy” before Friday’s tape emerged.

    “He’s never used the P-word in front of me, I’ll say that,” Rivera said later in the program. “But I never saw him come onto any of the beautiful women on the program.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    I imagine there are enough such tapes out there to secure the deal for Hillary. At this point Trump may need a 9/11 scale terror attack to have a shot.

    , @Lagertha
    @Anonymous

    Geraldo has a ridiculous past with women. He will be crucified if he even goes "there"...and he won't know what happened. He's lucky he has a job, for Christ's sake. He is an attention hog. He wants a piece of the action since he is not as rich as his peer from the 80's.

    He's a phony, all liberals are phonies, a la' Holden Caulfield.

  21. Unreal. Anderson Cooper as an unbiased moderator? Trump campaign is completely crazy to agree to it.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Anonymous

    Milo will tear him to pieces. Plus, Anderson still cares about fairness. It will be interesting to see if he actually has any integrity. I had liked many announcers on the major networks in the past; now, I hate them all. I miss Greta. Hannity makes me feel less depressed, but he is literally, the only one. Everyone else is so fail....so obvious in the tank. It's Pravda.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Wade

    , @Dr. X
    @Anonymous

    The entire debate format, which ostensibly places the professional media in the role of (supposedly) unbiased questioner, unbiased fact-checker, candidate police, and umpire is ridiculous.

    Debates would be much, much better if they had teams of partisan questioners, not "moderators" -- i.e. Limbaugh asking partisan questions of Hillary, and in turn, some little punks from Daily Kos or Huffington Post asking partisan questions of Trump. And the candidates would respond to the questioners, not to each other.

    That would be great, and highly informative.

    Replies: @guest

  22. @Tiny Duck
    You guys, it's not the comments that are the problem. It's the admission of sexual assault. There was a woman who said Trump grabbed her like that who was ignored. Yeah he's a vulgar misandric jerk, but the real problem is that he is committing criminal sexual offenses. Those aren't "comments" and it's really baffling to see people referring to it as such.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @German_reader, @Colleen Pater, @Stephen R. Diamond

  23. Trump will be fine: if he knows what he must do: don’t dredge up Bill’s abhorrent sexcapades (Oval Office “go find the sausage” games/cigar action, not to mention his felonies and her trying to sink his victims) tonight, do it elsewhere, off camera/mic. Have Bannon put together all the stuff with Bill and his bimbos from the last few years this week.

    There are NO undecided voters; that’s a ruse…but don’t take it for granted.

    Remember: SUCCESS IS THE BEST REVENGE. Lagertha got her revenge big time; she’s good with her weapons and her brains. Be cunning…a wild animal that is cornered has only its instincts and will to live as the final weapon. Be stealth.

  24. @Anonymous
    "Geraldo Rivera: ‘I have tapes’ of ‘embarrassing’ statements from Trump"

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/geraldo-rivera-i-have-tapes-of-embarrassing-statements-from-trump-229433

    In the aftermath of a 2005 recording of Trump making sexually aggressive and crude comments about women in a conversation with NBC's Billy Bush, Fox News' Geraldo Rivera said that he has uncovered more "embarrassing" statements that Trump made during interviews with the show host.

    “I have interviewed Donald Trump many times and been with him many times and I have tapes,” Rivera said on Fox News’ The Five Sunday. “My brother and I have been starting to go through the tapes now and there are statements that, in the context of the current climate, would be embarrassing.”

    Rivera did not say whether he plans to release those recordings, nor was he specific about what they might contain except to say that he had not heard Trump use the word “pussy” before Friday's tape emerged.

    “He’s never used the P-word in front of me, I’ll say that,” Rivera said later in the program. “But I never saw him come onto any of the beautiful women on the program.”
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Lagertha

    I imagine there are enough such tapes out there to secure the deal for Hillary. At this point Trump may need a 9/11 scale terror attack to have a shot.

  25. @Anonymous
    When is the Don going to link immigration to jobs, wages, and environmental conservation?

    Replies: @Inscrutoroku Japamoto

    …and public health. Trump ought to hammer on dengue fever, zika, TB, enterovirus…

  26. @Dave Pinsen
    @David G

    Buy when there's blood in the streets. Trump is trading at 19 cents on PredictIt now: https://www.predictit.org/Market/1234/Who-will-win-the-2016-US-presidential-election

    I got a few at 18 cents yesterday.

    You can bet as little as $10. Might as well drop a few $ on him.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I would donate directly to the campaign. You can donate up to $199 without showing up on FEC lists, from what I remember.

    That said it may be more useful to volunteer with your local GOP to turn out GOP votes to protect the Senate and House. We want to be able to slow down Hillary. And we need to make it clear to the GOP congressmen that amnesty will not be tolerated.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @SFG

    The national GOP effectively committed suicide after reverting to their usual kabuki after their landslide 2014 midterms victory. I don't see them getting anywhere near that turnout in 2018 if Hillary wins. Unless Trump endorses a slate of primary winners.

    Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber

  27. @Anonymous
    Unreal. Anderson Cooper as an unbiased moderator? Trump campaign is completely crazy to agree to it.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Dr. X

    Milo will tear him to pieces. Plus, Anderson still cares about fairness. It will be interesting to see if he actually has any integrity. I had liked many announcers on the major networks in the past; now, I hate them all. I miss Greta. Hannity makes me feel less depressed, but he is literally, the only one. Everyone else is so fail.…so obvious in the tank. It’s Pravda.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Lagertha

    https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=CSD0GBO1weY

    Watch this and tell me you still respect AC.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    , @Wade
    @Lagertha

    Lou Dobbs has been great over the years. Not quite unz.com material but as close as you'll come on mainstream TV.

    Replies: @Lagertha

  28. Who are the actual brains behind the Trump campaign? Perhaps the man is simply untameable and unprogrammable, but where are the policy positions that run beyond sloganeering?

  29. @Anonymous
    "Geraldo Rivera: ‘I have tapes’ of ‘embarrassing’ statements from Trump"

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/geraldo-rivera-i-have-tapes-of-embarrassing-statements-from-trump-229433

    In the aftermath of a 2005 recording of Trump making sexually aggressive and crude comments about women in a conversation with NBC's Billy Bush, Fox News' Geraldo Rivera said that he has uncovered more "embarrassing" statements that Trump made during interviews with the show host.

    “I have interviewed Donald Trump many times and been with him many times and I have tapes,” Rivera said on Fox News’ The Five Sunday. “My brother and I have been starting to go through the tapes now and there are statements that, in the context of the current climate, would be embarrassing.”

    Rivera did not say whether he plans to release those recordings, nor was he specific about what they might contain except to say that he had not heard Trump use the word “pussy” before Friday's tape emerged.

    “He’s never used the P-word in front of me, I’ll say that,” Rivera said later in the program. “But I never saw him come onto any of the beautiful women on the program.”
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Lagertha

    Geraldo has a ridiculous past with women. He will be crucified if he even goes “there”…and he won’t know what happened. He’s lucky he has a job, for Christ’s sake. He is an attention hog. He wants a piece of the action since he is not as rich as his peer from the 80’s.

    He’s a phony, all liberals are phonies, a la’ Holden Caulfield.

  30. @Sgt. Joe Friday
    @Tiny Duck

    Uh, actually it's the moderators and the media pundits that are going to do all the work. All Mrs. Clinton has to do is recite her lines without drooling or having a coughing fit. Trump could have a masterful peformance, and all the press is going to talk about is how badly she outscored him.

    Trump is actually going to be lucky if all that happens to him is that he loses the election. With the media hysteria cranked up, I would have to think that his personal safety is in danger, and once the election is over, he probably will have a difficult time going back to private business. Clinton's DOJ, with GOPe connivance, is going to make an example of him to show anyone else who's contemplating taking on the establishment that doing so will ruin them.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Hibernian

    Unless….he gets all the electoral votes, even of formerly Blue states…possible….just saying.

  31. @Intelligent Dasein
    To John McCain, to Paul RINO, to Mike Huckabee, to all the GOPe and their scribbling lackeys in the media, to all the Trumpian ship-jumpers, to all the doubters and scoffers who infest these comment threads, I say that now, this very evening, on the day when loyalties are tested, when manhoods weighed and measured, when love of country proved, from this day forward I swear by the living God thou shalt hold thy tongue, and whenever politics is mentioned thou shalt slouch in dry self-abasement, and cast thine eyes downward, and never shall presume to represent the people of these United States again, for thou did not stand with Trump upon St. Crispin's day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-yZNMWFqvM

    Replies: @Lagertha

    Love it! It just sent shivers up my spine!

  32. @Lagertha
    @Anonymous

    Milo will tear him to pieces. Plus, Anderson still cares about fairness. It will be interesting to see if he actually has any integrity. I had liked many announcers on the major networks in the past; now, I hate them all. I miss Greta. Hannity makes me feel less depressed, but he is literally, the only one. Everyone else is so fail....so obvious in the tank. It's Pravda.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Wade

    https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=CSD0GBO1weY

    Watch this and tell me you still respect AC.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @AndrewR

    My grandfather beat a bolshevik to death with an axe...and he never regretted it, and neither do I. I still have the axe as a decoration in my cabin, sans blood!

    I specifically said I hate them all; Greta and Hannity, only ones left for me. I am just looking forward to seeing how AC is going to contort himself to seem "impartial" and all that. I hate him as much as you do.

  33. Women will be the reason

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Anonymous

    that they will all find themselves Cat Ladies by 50; childless, having worked their entire lives for prestige and hubris, hating men; so, and they die alone living on SS if it exists anymore. Lagertha's prediction. My sons absolutely hate SJW's and will never marry that. Women are jerks...who are voting against their own interests w/Hillary! The amount of single, middle-aged women is staggering! Your shelf life is over at 37.

    Replies: @schmenz

  34. @David G
    It's over, isn't it?

    Replies: @A-Bax, @Dave Pinsen, @rod1963, @Percy Gryce, @WowJustWow

    It’s not over, that’s what the MSM wants you to think. The polls and commentators are all there to demoralize Trump voters and to make Hillary inevitable. Look how the pollsters are always oversampling women and democrats, that’s a blatant sign of poll rigging.

    And I doubt at this stage there are any appreciable amount of undecided voters left. Look if a person can’t decide who to vote for by now, they aren’t worth pursuing, they’re either idiots or spoiled rich kids living with mom and dad or senile retirees.

    Lest you think it’s over, look at the turn out for Hillary’s rallies. They are often no more than a few hundred with about half the attendees Hillary staffers and the rest bused in actors and hacks. No one really wants to see or listen to her, no one. Compare her turn out to Trump’s which always hit the multiple thousand mark.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @rod1963

    her campaign (internet)soliciting former Bernie people for money is like, 6 times a day, from what I hear. I agree, it's not over, hahahah: Until the Fat Lady Sings! I agree that it is all Pravda propaganda to make people believe Trump is behind. I mean he had a nice, unplanned "breakfast rally at the TTower yesterday." His people don't read the NYT or watch CNN.

    OT: most women, in their wildest fantasies, want men to grab their p*ssy and boobs, or butt! I realize the tape was damaging and cringe-worthy, but I have always thought Americans are the biggest prudes. I mean, I shouldn't say this, but, I had a really good sex-guru, a fellow student, who was fracking unbelievable in bed - he was Irish, btw, literally Irish. And, after our time-limited, splendid affair of a couple months (he had a girlfriend back in the states), I felt very confident for the rest of my life.

    Subsequently, I have "made" more than a few men better husbands back in my prime. But, man, are many American men and women prudes. I think it is terrible to live without good sex or to not have experienced it. And, this is only possible with a person you share a deep connection with, even if you don't wind up together forever.

    I have given my sons books on being a good lover...books with pictures. Ok, said too much... but I'm anticipating the sexy-time talk tonight!...and I hate fracking, Spanish Inquisition, with people who have no idea what good sex is...and, here's a clue: people who are loosey-goosey with sex-talk, love sex; and are good at it. But, the difference is: you don't ever force someone to have sex with you....ever. SO, take that with a grain of salt - my nerves talking :)! And, I'm bored by the Trump tape thing now, with mealy-mouth Billy Bush...bush...my mind is teetering!

    Replies: @biz, @SFG

  35. @Tiny Duck
    Clinton is going to DESTROY Trump.

    I can't believe some of you morons think that he had a chance.

    People of a color (the future) hate him

    That tells you something right there

    Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Mark Eugenikos, @Unladen Swallow, @Fictitious Email, @Former Darfur, @Tracy

    Hey Tiny, to which country are you going to move on 11/9, after Trump’s win? Mexico or Canada? I hope you are qualified enough to be accepted as an immigrant to either of those two. If not, you could always try volunteer work in Haiti.

  36. I’m back to feeling how I felt in August. It’s likely over. She will make Obama look like a piker and Tim Kaine will be worse once she succumbs to her illness.

  37. Where does one move to avoid the multicultural hordes descending upon America? I want my kids to grow up in an America like the one I was born into.

    • Replies: @Perspective
    @Anon

    The suburban/rural counties that ring Marion County/Indianapolis are still fairly white - many over 90 percent. Though, I would not be surprised if those counties are specifically targeted by AFFH.

    http://money.cnn.com/gallery/news/economy/2014/02/20/middle-class-thrives/

    , @Flip
    @Anon

    Idaho

    Replies: @fnn

    , @John Jeremiah Smith
    @Anon


    Where does one move to avoid the multicultural hordes descending upon America?
     
    Chile. Usetabe Uruguay, but those days are over.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  38. @SFG
    @Dave Pinsen

    I would donate directly to the campaign. You can donate up to $199 without showing up on FEC lists, from what I remember.

    That said it may be more useful to volunteer with your local GOP to turn out GOP votes to protect the Senate and House. We want to be able to slow down Hillary. And we need to make it clear to the GOP congressmen that amnesty will not be tolerated.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    The national GOP effectively committed suicide after reverting to their usual kabuki after their landslide 2014 midterms victory. I don’t see them getting anywhere near that turnout in 2018 if Hillary wins. Unless Trump endorses a slate of primary winners.

    • Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber
    @Dave Pinsen

    Trump isn't any better than the Ryan/Rubio crowd after that fantastic flip-flop on immigration. He isn't talking about tariffs anymore, either. The best option for this election was relying on President Lyin' Ted to gum up the works for four years.

    Replies: @Fictitious Email, @Colleen Pater, @Opinionator

  39. @Dave Pinsen
    @SFG

    The national GOP effectively committed suicide after reverting to their usual kabuki after their landslide 2014 midterms victory. I don't see them getting anywhere near that turnout in 2018 if Hillary wins. Unless Trump endorses a slate of primary winners.

    Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Trump isn’t any better than the Ryan/Rubio crowd after that fantastic flip-flop on immigration. He isn’t talking about tariffs anymore, either. The best option for this election was relying on President Lyin’ Ted to gum up the works for four years.

    • Replies: @Fictitious Email
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    That's nonsense. Cruz doesn't support any of that plus he has supported other crazy things in the past - flat tax for the rich, free trade, amnesty (yep, went to the border to give out toys for illegals with that fool Glenn Beck), for example. Worse isn't better. It's amazing how some people can rationalize failure as something positive. Must be a defense mechanism or something.

    Cruz would have lost; even if he had won, he would have delivered nothing as president and would probably have supported an amnesty, despite whatever he said previously.

    Trump made the mistake of trying to appease the #trucucks. Instead, he should have gone all out from the beginning.

    If I were Trump in this debate, I would do the following : 1. slime Hillary's character...but not by bringing up Bill's affairs 2. bring up tariffs and tax increases on the rich to pay for social programs (i.e. nuke the #trucucks) 3. immigration moratorium 4. anti-free trade 5. anti-war

    , @Colleen Pater
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    I think he has really just stopped playing it up i think he knows we who support him understand he is now going for the independents. I was upset really really upset that week he seemed to flip then he made the arizona speech and was very clear then just never reversed but played it a bit coy simply wouldnt be provoked into saying he would deport them all etc.
    That said the real question is is he even capable of a strong opinion is he or others going to form his policies and if so which other. and what will the cathedral do to stop his policies and how far will he go against the cathedral. think about it if all the cuckservatives are now revealed to be leftist shills they could simply impeach him as soon as he tries to do anything.

    Replies: @Difference Maker

    , @Opinionator
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    What was the flip flop on immigration?

  40. @Lot
    Going back to contingency plans to fight and block amnesty if Trump loses.

    Courts

    1. If the Democrats also retake the Senate, quickly confirm Garland.
    2. If the GOP holds the Senate, simply leave the seat open. (If they wanted to be nice about it, they could let Hillary fill Ginsberg's seat, but never let her fill Scalia's). They also need to stop any and all Clinton appointments to the DC, Fifth, and Fourth Circuit Courts of Appeal.

    States

    I wrote about some "best practices" to keep actual voters more white and middle class than potential voters:


    The most effective methods in my view is to (1) require voter ID (2) make becoming an absentee voter hard (3) restrict or eliminate early voting (4) cut back on the budget for elections with no announcement or fanfare (5) and most effectively, a permanent ban on felon voting.

    This last rule is only in place in three states, despite the fact that about 28 states have complete GOP control of state government.
     
    Another pro-white state policy is cutting state income and local property taxes in favor of higher sales taxes, which are harder for illegal immigrants and off the books people to avoid. The various exemptions on sales taxes for food, clothes, etc, should also be eliminated.

    Worst Case Scenario Options

    If the Democrats win the Senate, Presidency, and manage to vacate the Texas judge's stay of the executive amnesty, the only option left is for the House to refuse to fund large portions of the government unless the amnesty policy is fully repealed. Hard to see that happening as long as Ryan is speaker. However, Ryan's strongest supporters tend to be Republicans in swing districts who rely on his Koch Brothers and Chamber of Commerce cash, and likely about 20 of them would lose in the scenario of a Hillary and Democrat Senate win. The remaining, narrower GOP House majority therefore would at least be a better majority. There is also the hope that the GOPe will learn their lesson from this cycle and no longer push amnesty.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    Another pro-white state policy is cutting state income and local property taxes in favor of higher sales taxes, which are harder for illegal immigrants and off the books people to avoid. The various exemptions on sales taxes for food, clothes, etc, should also be eliminated.

    Wrong. All taxes EXCEPT property taxes are avoidable by immigrants willing to offer a “cash discount.” Texas has property taxes and no income taxes, so there is less flow from legitimate wage earners to undocumented cash earners. Kollivornia, with Prop 13, is heavily dependent on income and sales taxes. Which state are whites fleeing, and which are they moving to?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @TomSchmidt

    That's right. I have an in-law who made significant amounts of money in immigrant communities on the east coast through a cash only business. They avoided sales tax, she avoided large amounts of income tax. Win win!

  41. Am I the only one to have noticed that NONE of the moderators in ANY of the debates so far are heterosexual white Christian males?

    So far we’ve had a black man and a Latina, and tonight we will have a gay man and a Jewess. Aren’t there any hetero white men in the media named Fred, Richard, or Steve available to moderate??

    What gives?

    Seems that there’s some sort of psychological gamesmanship going on here, where Trump, debating Hillary, is the only straight white man onstage and appears besieged by all these minorities and females.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Dr. X

    Moderators are selected by TPTB using the Down with the Patriarchy filter.

    Replies: @Kylie

  42. Anonymous [AKA "PSimon"] says:

    This Trump “crisis” is nothing but the same old periodic media storm we get whenever a scheduled Trump feeding frenzy comes over the press. Before this it was Khan, before that the Mexican judge, and so on and so on. None of that celebrity-trauma nonsense matters. The bottom line is that Trump is personally unlikable and verbally sloppy but professionally competent; Clinton is personally unlikable and verbally scripted but incompetent to the point of corruption and crime. A vote for Hillary is a vote for war with Russia, government by Goldman Sachs, Third World demographics, and eventual inter-ethnic apocalypse and collapse. Most Americans know that in their gut, and they’re going to vote Trump no matter who or what he gropes. His personal history doesn’t matter. National survival does.

    • Agree: Mark Green
  43. Roger Stone on with Alex Jones tonight said the plan is for Hillary not to shake hands with Trump at the beginning. And then Anderson Cooper has planned to ask Hillary why she refused to shake Trump’s hand and she goes into the leaked 2005 tape.

  44. @Lot
    Predict has the chance of Trump winning the election at 19.5%.

    Nate Silver's three models have Trump at 14.6, 18.8, and 22.9%.

    The first and lowest number looks only at polls and how accurate they are in the past. So for a simplified example, the model says if a candidate is losing by 3 points in the polls, he wins 24% of the time.

    The second looks at both polls and mean reversion from now until the election.

    The third includes a few other adjustments.

    Before the first debate, Silver had Trump as high as 52% and predictit had him as high as 38%.

    Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber, @bored identity, @George

    The fiasco over Brexit polls and its whole scientific-hucksterism shows that what Gold,Silver & Bronzenstein think of Trump’s chances for the presidency is certainly more important than REAL opinions of our neighbors, coworkers , family members and friends…Not.

    Cold anger combined with a secret ballot is concoction that scares the Uniparty apartchiks the most;

    They are perfectly aware that Trump stands way better with a silently brewing monster-vote than the rigged polls are telegraphing.

    Therefore, no sign of defection among evangelical heavy hitters who support Trump from the beginning, while almost three-quarters of Republicans, or 74%, said GOP leaders should still back Trump.

    All of the fabricated pussy-rioting has a same sponsorship, here and in Russia as well.

    I give 52% , 64% and 83% ( you know, 3 models….very complicated to explain) chances that your moneyball-prophet Nate is on the same payroll.

  45. @AndrewR
    @Lagertha

    https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=CSD0GBO1weY

    Watch this and tell me you still respect AC.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    My grandfather beat a bolshevik to death with an axe…and he never regretted it, and neither do I. I still have the axe as a decoration in my cabin, sans blood!

    I specifically said I hate them all; Greta and Hannity, only ones left for me. I am just looking forward to seeing how AC is going to contort himself to seem “impartial” and all that. I hate him as much as you do.

  46. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    @David G

    Buy when there's blood in the streets. Trump is trading at 19 cents on PredictIt now: https://www.predictit.org/Market/1234/Who-will-win-the-2016-US-presidential-election

    I got a few at 18 cents yesterday.

    You can bet as little as $10. Might as well drop a few $ on him.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Buy when there’s blood in the streets. Trump is trading at 19 cents on PredictIt now:

    All the forces of the globalist empire are against Trump. Trump can never be allowed to win. And the DHS will step in if necessary. The 19 cents is just a manufactured number by the perfidious shysters looking to make money off the schlubs who’d be on Fan Duel is they had a smidgen more testosterone.

  47. Trump wins if he ignores the personal — which Shrillary will go for — and sticks to the issues.

    Unemployment is back up to 5%. Fewer Americans are participating in the labor market since records began.

    Economy, immigration, foreign policy. These are the reasons he’s the Republican nominee.

    When Trump talks about the issues, he wins. When he talks about himself, he loses.

    In nay case, there is no personal attack Hillary can launch that can’t be countered in two sentences or less. Business ethnics? Let’s talk about Cattle futures. Sexism? See below. Immigration? Ms. Machado as accessory to murder (don’t mention the sex tape, that’s a waste of time). Hell, her speeches to Goldman Sachs and co., about what she wants to do to the US put her on shaky ground. Trump can mention any of these things in a single sentence and return to the issues.

    If Hillary is actually dumb enough to raise his “sexist” comments, he can dismiss her in a single sentence: yeah, I said something I shouldn’t have in a private conversation. You habitually provided cover for your husband when he committed rape and habitually provided an alibi for his activities. Then he returns to the issues.

    If, as is more likely, her accomplice, Anderson Cooper does, Trump can just note Cooper and his crew were nowhere to be found when Bill Clinton committed rape and when Hillary covered up for him. Then he returns to the issues.

    What Trump said in the equivalent of a locker room conversation simply isn’t relevant.

    The economy, immigration and foreign policy are.

    Why the f*ck do you think Hillary and her propaganda company, the mainstream media, won’t talk about them (at least in public)?

  48. I finally have to admit, I am gravely disappointed in Donald Trump. Nancy O’Dell is a DOG– and was, even back in her prime! I am further bewildered, however: if she does not desire to be “objectified,” why in the hell did she have a boob job?!?

  49. The optimistic view: This debate format is tailor-made for Trump. He’s a charismatic guy who loves interacting with the public. If he can resist attempts from Hillary and the moderators to bait him, he ought to do quite well.

    The pessimistic view: He probably doesn’t have that much self-discipline.

  50. Jack Hanson says:

    Calling it now.

    Hillary will read her memorized scripted response demanding Trump quit.

    Trump will stand up, and come across like a human being and connect with America.

    Hillary will cackle and put on her giant joker grin and come across like a psychopath.

    The cuck chorus here will declare how doomed we are for the twentieth time.

    • LOL: Kylie
  51. @rod1963
    @David G

    It's not over, that's what the MSM wants you to think. The polls and commentators are all there to demoralize Trump voters and to make Hillary inevitable. Look how the pollsters are always oversampling women and democrats, that's a blatant sign of poll rigging.

    And I doubt at this stage there are any appreciable amount of undecided voters left. Look if a person can't decide who to vote for by now, they aren't worth pursuing, they're either idiots or spoiled rich kids living with mom and dad or senile retirees.

    Lest you think it's over, look at the turn out for Hillary's rallies. They are often no more than a few hundred with about half the attendees Hillary staffers and the rest bused in actors and hacks. No one really wants to see or listen to her, no one. Compare her turn out to Trump's which always hit the multiple thousand mark.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    her campaign (internet)soliciting former Bernie people for money is like, 6 times a day, from what I hear. I agree, it’s not over, hahahah: Until the Fat Lady Sings! I agree that it is all Pravda propaganda to make people believe Trump is behind. I mean he had a nice, unplanned “breakfast rally at the TTower yesterday.” His people don’t read the NYT or watch CNN.

    OT: most women, in their wildest fantasies, want men to grab their p*ssy and boobs, or butt! I realize the tape was damaging and cringe-worthy, but I have always thought Americans are the biggest prudes. I mean, I shouldn’t say this, but, I had a really good sex-guru, a fellow student, who was fracking unbelievable in bed – he was Irish, btw, literally Irish. And, after our time-limited, splendid affair of a couple months (he had a girlfriend back in the states), I felt very confident for the rest of my life.

    Subsequently, I have “made” more than a few men better husbands back in my prime. But, man, are many American men and women prudes. I think it is terrible to live without good sex or to not have experienced it. And, this is only possible with a person you share a deep connection with, even if you don’t wind up together forever.

    I have given my sons books on being a good lover…books with pictures. Ok, said too much… but I’m anticipating the sexy-time talk tonight!…and I hate fracking, Spanish Inquisition, with people who have no idea what good sex is…and, here’s a clue: people who are loosey-goosey with sex-talk, love sex; and are good at it. But, the difference is: you don’t ever force someone to have sex with you.…ever. SO, take that with a grain of salt – my nerves talking :)! And, I’m bored by the Trump tape thing now, with mealy-mouth Billy Bush…bush…my mind is teetering!

    • Replies: @biz
    @Lagertha

    weird.

    Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber

    , @SFG
    @Lagertha

    I'm well aware that women like guys who take the initiative...but guess wrong and you could wind up in jail.

    Not worth it.

    Replies: @Lagertha

  52. @TomSchmidt
    @Lot


    Another pro-white state policy is cutting state income and local property taxes in favor of higher sales taxes, which are harder for illegal immigrants and off the books people to avoid. The various exemptions on sales taxes for food, clothes, etc, should also be eliminated.

     

    Wrong. All taxes EXCEPT property taxes are avoidable by immigrants willing to offer a "cash discount." Texas has property taxes and no income taxes, so there is less flow from legitimate wage earners to undocumented cash earners. Kollivornia, with Prop 13, is heavily dependent on income and sales taxes. Which state are whites fleeing, and which are they moving to?

    Replies: @Anon

    That’s right. I have an in-law who made significant amounts of money in immigrant communities on the east coast through a cash only business. They avoided sales tax, she avoided large amounts of income tax. Win win!

  53. @Lot
    Predict has the chance of Trump winning the election at 19.5%.

    Nate Silver's three models have Trump at 14.6, 18.8, and 22.9%.

    The first and lowest number looks only at polls and how accurate they are in the past. So for a simplified example, the model says if a candidate is losing by 3 points in the polls, he wins 24% of the time.

    The second looks at both polls and mean reversion from now until the election.

    The third includes a few other adjustments.

    Before the first debate, Silver had Trump as high as 52% and predictit had him as high as 38%.

    Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber, @bored identity, @George

    Two possibilities for hope. First polling techniques from the landline and snail mail world of the past no longer work either because they don’t predict preference or they don’t predict turnout. Second, the same newspapers that insist Trump will be Putin’s pawn while declaring nuclear war on Russia are conducting fraudulent polls. Third, maybe they are right some 16 yo autistic hacker in some unpronounceable Russian village will hack the election results.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    @George

    I'm already saving money for a good deal from my next door hacker hub ;)

    http://motherboard.vice.com/read/inside-hackerville-romanias-infamous-cyber-crime-hub

  54. So what do we think is going to happen with immigration once Hillary gets elected. It still looks like the GOP is going to retain control of the house. But clearly there are a lot of pro-amnesty republicans (Flake, McCain, Graham from the senate), so will Hillary have the votes to push through “comprehensive immigration reform”? Also, what is the demographic situation gonna look like in 4 years even if amnesty doesn’t go through, since birthright citizenship is still a thing? Basically is there any hope of our country not becoming a third world hell hole?

  55. @Anonymous
    Women will be the reason

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thYfdBWUSbo

    Replies: @Lagertha

    that they will all find themselves Cat Ladies by 50; childless, having worked their entire lives for prestige and hubris, hating men; so, and they die alone living on SS if it exists anymore. Lagertha’s prediction. My sons absolutely hate SJW’s and will never marry that. Women are jerks…who are voting against their own interests w/Hillary! The amount of single, middle-aged women is staggering! Your shelf life is over at 37.

    • Replies: @schmenz
    @Lagertha

    Very poignant, and very true.

  56. @Tiny Duck
    You guys, it's not the comments that are the problem. It's the admission of sexual assault. There was a woman who said Trump grabbed her like that who was ignored. Yeah he's a vulgar misandric jerk, but the real problem is that he is committing criminal sexual offenses. Those aren't "comments" and it's really baffling to see people referring to it as such.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @German_reader, @Colleen Pater, @Stephen R. Diamond

    “Yeah he’s a vulgar misandric jerk”

    lol, you’re doing this intentionally, aren’t you?

  57. The “fact checkers” are just going to say every Republican lied the most until the end of time because the truth makes invade the world/invite the world look bad. They even did it to Romney and he was on their side.

  58. @Anon
    Where does one move to avoid the multicultural hordes descending upon America? I want my kids to grow up in an America like the one I was born into.

    Replies: @Perspective, @Flip, @John Jeremiah Smith

    The suburban/rural counties that ring Marion County/Indianapolis are still fairly white – many over 90 percent. Though, I would not be surprised if those counties are specifically targeted by AFFH.

    http://money.cnn.com/gallery/news/economy/2014/02/20/middle-class-thrives/

  59. @Lagertha
    @rod1963

    her campaign (internet)soliciting former Bernie people for money is like, 6 times a day, from what I hear. I agree, it's not over, hahahah: Until the Fat Lady Sings! I agree that it is all Pravda propaganda to make people believe Trump is behind. I mean he had a nice, unplanned "breakfast rally at the TTower yesterday." His people don't read the NYT or watch CNN.

    OT: most women, in their wildest fantasies, want men to grab their p*ssy and boobs, or butt! I realize the tape was damaging and cringe-worthy, but I have always thought Americans are the biggest prudes. I mean, I shouldn't say this, but, I had a really good sex-guru, a fellow student, who was fracking unbelievable in bed - he was Irish, btw, literally Irish. And, after our time-limited, splendid affair of a couple months (he had a girlfriend back in the states), I felt very confident for the rest of my life.

    Subsequently, I have "made" more than a few men better husbands back in my prime. But, man, are many American men and women prudes. I think it is terrible to live without good sex or to not have experienced it. And, this is only possible with a person you share a deep connection with, even if you don't wind up together forever.

    I have given my sons books on being a good lover...books with pictures. Ok, said too much... but I'm anticipating the sexy-time talk tonight!...and I hate fracking, Spanish Inquisition, with people who have no idea what good sex is...and, here's a clue: people who are loosey-goosey with sex-talk, love sex; and are good at it. But, the difference is: you don't ever force someone to have sex with you....ever. SO, take that with a grain of salt - my nerves talking :)! And, I'm bored by the Trump tape thing now, with mealy-mouth Billy Bush...bush...my mind is teetering!

    Replies: @biz, @SFG

    weird.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber
    @biz

    Welcome to the Unz Review, where disbarred lawyers and angry Russians argue over whether the Twin Towers were destroyed by nuclear weapons or Israeli holograms. We should be thankful this latest lunatic hasn't brought up The Jewish Menace yet.

    Replies: @anonitron1, @BenKenobi, @vinteuil, @biz, @SFG, @Lot

  60. I was torn between watching Ghost of Frankenstein on TCM, or sneering at CNN’s pre-debate panels hyperventilating over Pussygate. Seeing Trump holding a shock press conference with all the women Bill wronged and that lady who’s rapist young lawyer Hillary managed to get off made up my mind pretty quick. The panelists managed to go from snide and smirky to shocked and scared in a few minutes. The great thing about Trump is he instantly goes on the attack at a moment’s notice. I had dinner with some people the other day and they were vaguely discussing the Clinton’s. The convo showed me that most normies have really been shielded by the media from the many scandals in Bill’s closet.

  61. I don’t think Trump’s attempt to attack Hillary over Bill’s sexual activities will ultimately do him any good. As bad as Hillary might have been and complicit in Bill’s sexual activities, it still looks like blaming or attacking a woman for something a man did.

  62. The most important rule in war or any other sort of conflict is this: It ain’t over until it’s over. I think we’re going to have a very surprising October.

  63. So Trump has given a press conference with women who have claimed to have been sexually assaulted by Bill Clinton.

    I guess to me it isn’t so obvious that this is a poor tactic.

    Look, negative advertising works. This is why it’s used. Negative advertising has now been thrown at Trump in the form of this tape, and Trump’s press conference is way of throwing it right back.

    I appreciate that it’s typically best if this counterattack is performed by surrogates instead of the candidate. But will such a response really be heard from someone else’s mouth, especially given how the Megaphone will never give Trump’s side its due?

    In fact, it’s simply a remarkable piece of gall that Hillary’s supporters — and, for God’s sakes, Hillary herself in a tweet — should express such disgust over Trump’s tape, given how eager they have been to support Bill Clinton in the face of his sexual scandals. They have opened up this entire line of attack, presumably expecting that there would be no one to call them on their hypocrisy. How do they effectively answer him on this point? His case for their hypocrisy is actually quite compelling, and easy to understand for the public. And fighting fire with fire isn’t exactly an unpopular thing to do.

    I’m not going to pretend that I know that this will work — but I don’t see why people seem so certain it will backfire. It may seem that not responding to the controversy, or making light of it, would work better, but I don’t know why this would be so — the most likely consequence of doing so is that the issue festers, and indeed is aggravated over time, as Hillary’s supporters keep pushing it hard.

    But if Trump has an effective answer, and the women Bill Clinton has abused seem persuasive to the public, then I think that entire line of attack might be greatly diminished in power, and will be so at the earliest possible time, rather than continuing through election day. Better sooner than later.

    It would of course be great if Trump could just focus on the issues — but nothing could be more obvious than that the next number of newscycles will be consumed with this tape, and/or other similar tapes, because that’s what the media wants. But if every such newscycle is answered with Trump making even more prominent the women Bill Clinton has abused, and Hillary has defamed or dismissed, that ploy may be reduced or retired — which is what seems to have happened to Machado.

    It may be that this won’t be enough for Trump to win — but it can still be the best, most effective thing he could do, under the circumstances.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @candid_observer

    I agree. There's no such thing as fighting dirty. You either win or lose and the winner gets to tell the story.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @candid_observer
    @candid_observer

    I just saw this tweet, which makes a point pretty well related to mine:

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/785277377890746368

    , @ben tillman
    @candid_observer


    So Trump has given a press conference with women who have claimed to have been sexually assaulted by Bill Clinton.

    I guess to me it isn’t so obvious that this is a poor tactic.
     
    It's not obvious to me, either, but I'm open to arguments on this point.
  64. @Tiny Duck
    Clinton is going to DESTROY Trump.

    I can't believe some of you morons think that he had a chance.

    People of a color (the future) hate him

    That tells you something right there

    Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Mark Eugenikos, @Unladen Swallow, @Fictitious Email, @Former Darfur, @Tracy

    Yes, it does tell us something, you are a moron.

  65. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder if this is true or like the rumored tape of Obama ranting about “whitey” during the ’08 election that never materialized:

    “Producer Says There’s Footage of Trump Saying the N-Word”

    https://theslot.jezebel.com/producer-says-theres-video-of-trump-saying-the-n-word-1787592521

    Emmy Award-winning producer Chris Nee alleged Sunday on Twitter that Apprentice producers are sitting on footage that includes film of Donald Trump using the n-word.

    Nee made the comments in response to a former producer on the show, who tweeted Saturday that Trump has been caught on camera saying “far worse” than the things he said in the Access Hollywood footage.

    According to Nee, who says she heard from “producers/crew” on the show, one of those “far worse” things is Trump saying the n-word. She tweeted the allegations at Mark Cuban, citing a $5 million penalty fee for leaking footage apparently included in most of Apprentice executive producer Mark Burnett’s contracts. This shouldn’t come as news to Cuban—his show, Shark Tank, is also produced by Burnett.

    BuzzFeed reports that Burnett, who is a Trump supporter, has been threatening employees with access to the show’s unaired footage. Last week, more than twenty people involved in the show spoke anonymously with the AP about Trump’s behavior during the production. He would often speculate about women’s sexual activities and liked to discuss who he would and wouldn’t have sex with, sometimes in front of the person he was talking about. Once, in the middle of filming, the sources allege to the AP, he stopped and singled out a contestant.

    “We were in the boardroom one time figuring out who to blame for the task, and he just stopped in the middle and pointed to someone and said, ‘You’d f… her, wouldn’t you? I’d f… her. C’mon, wouldn’t you?’”

    The person continued: “Everyone is trying to make him stop talking, and the woman is shrinking in her seat.”

  66. I’m hoping the pre-show with Bill’s victims was Trump compromising with Stephen Miller about not trying to bring it up in the debate proper.

    Contrition in a redemptive way that will help him off the hook for further media ambushes (“This last year I’ve become a changed man and know I have a duty to be the leader America needs. By the way the next 10 year old leak was also the old me”), open borders, trade, social security, Libya, Syria, Russia.

    A big silver lining to the GOP betrayal is that if he pulls it out and wins there’s less chance of him sleepwalking into doing whatever confident acela corridor GOP ghouls tell him is the tough guy thing to do.

  67. @candid_observer
    So Trump has given a press conference with women who have claimed to have been sexually assaulted by Bill Clinton.

    I guess to me it isn't so obvious that this is a poor tactic.

    Look, negative advertising works. This is why it's used. Negative advertising has now been thrown at Trump in the form of this tape, and Trump's press conference is way of throwing it right back.

    I appreciate that it's typically best if this counterattack is performed by surrogates instead of the candidate. But will such a response really be heard from someone else's mouth, especially given how the Megaphone will never give Trump's side its due?

    In fact, it's simply a remarkable piece of gall that Hillary's supporters -- and, for God's sakes, Hillary herself in a tweet -- should express such disgust over Trump's tape, given how eager they have been to support Bill Clinton in the face of his sexual scandals. They have opened up this entire line of attack, presumably expecting that there would be no one to call them on their hypocrisy. How do they effectively answer him on this point? His case for their hypocrisy is actually quite compelling, and easy to understand for the public. And fighting fire with fire isn't exactly an unpopular thing to do.

    I'm not going to pretend that I know that this will work -- but I don't see why people seem so certain it will backfire. It may seem that not responding to the controversy, or making light of it, would work better, but I don't know why this would be so -- the most likely consequence of doing so is that the issue festers, and indeed is aggravated over time, as Hillary's supporters keep pushing it hard.

    But if Trump has an effective answer, and the women Bill Clinton has abused seem persuasive to the public, then I think that entire line of attack might be greatly diminished in power, and will be so at the earliest possible time, rather than continuing through election day. Better sooner than later.

    It would of course be great if Trump could just focus on the issues -- but nothing could be more obvious than that the next number of newscycles will be consumed with this tape, and/or other similar tapes, because that's what the media wants. But if every such newscycle is answered with Trump making even more prominent the women Bill Clinton has abused, and Hillary has defamed or dismissed, that ploy may be reduced or retired -- which is what seems to have happened to Machado.

    It may be that this won't be enough for Trump to win -- but it can still be the best, most effective thing he could do, under the circumstances.

    Replies: @BB753, @candid_observer, @ben tillman

    I agree. There’s no such thing as fighting dirty. You either win or lose and the winner gets to tell the story.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @BB753

    I agree too. Fighting dirty is what the Democrats do, and it has generally worked pretty well for them. I can't recall the last time a Democratic candidate acted even vaguely honest or principled. Probably Dukakis in 88'. The Democrats are skeevy sleeze merchants. And the Republicans should adopt the same tactics. Never apologize, never concede a point. Just attack. Always attack.

  68. @candid_observer
    So Trump has given a press conference with women who have claimed to have been sexually assaulted by Bill Clinton.

    I guess to me it isn't so obvious that this is a poor tactic.

    Look, negative advertising works. This is why it's used. Negative advertising has now been thrown at Trump in the form of this tape, and Trump's press conference is way of throwing it right back.

    I appreciate that it's typically best if this counterattack is performed by surrogates instead of the candidate. But will such a response really be heard from someone else's mouth, especially given how the Megaphone will never give Trump's side its due?

    In fact, it's simply a remarkable piece of gall that Hillary's supporters -- and, for God's sakes, Hillary herself in a tweet -- should express such disgust over Trump's tape, given how eager they have been to support Bill Clinton in the face of his sexual scandals. They have opened up this entire line of attack, presumably expecting that there would be no one to call them on their hypocrisy. How do they effectively answer him on this point? His case for their hypocrisy is actually quite compelling, and easy to understand for the public. And fighting fire with fire isn't exactly an unpopular thing to do.

    I'm not going to pretend that I know that this will work -- but I don't see why people seem so certain it will backfire. It may seem that not responding to the controversy, or making light of it, would work better, but I don't know why this would be so -- the most likely consequence of doing so is that the issue festers, and indeed is aggravated over time, as Hillary's supporters keep pushing it hard.

    But if Trump has an effective answer, and the women Bill Clinton has abused seem persuasive to the public, then I think that entire line of attack might be greatly diminished in power, and will be so at the earliest possible time, rather than continuing through election day. Better sooner than later.

    It would of course be great if Trump could just focus on the issues -- but nothing could be more obvious than that the next number of newscycles will be consumed with this tape, and/or other similar tapes, because that's what the media wants. But if every such newscycle is answered with Trump making even more prominent the women Bill Clinton has abused, and Hillary has defamed or dismissed, that ploy may be reduced or retired -- which is what seems to have happened to Machado.

    It may be that this won't be enough for Trump to win -- but it can still be the best, most effective thing he could do, under the circumstances.

    Replies: @BB753, @candid_observer, @ben tillman

    I just saw this tweet, which makes a point pretty well related to mine:

  69. @Lagertha
    @tyrone

    haha! Pussy Galore!

    My last prediction before I start making dinner: Trump can not dump on the Senators and Congress members, tonight, like the wusses they are, who are abandoning his ship. Let them; just don't talk about it with anyone.

    I will probably never vote for another Republican in my lifetime, after Nov., because the country is changing due to immigration, so there will always be a majority Democrat populace. The Republicans will realize that profound reality if Trump does not wind up in the White House.

    Once, again, the next 4 years could be a re-set for the GOP/they will at least, get one SCOTUS in - which is so fracking important! With Trump in the WH, there is time to develop a truly dynamic and intense Republican candidate. Donald is almost doing a service by giving them a path to a future candidate that they are excited about.

    I'm sorry, but none of the other 16 candidates were going to win...not a chance. They've got some key issues that I have always hated - mostly social. This year, the election is an existential crisis of what the USA means anymore.....a weak country which will turn into a Banana Republic with an elite, walled-off, private jetty-jet set; or the most unique, pragmatic, prosperous, innovative, most generous, with a "high trust" society, country in the world. The "what's in it for me," politicians need to be kicked out, like in Brazil.

    But, skip dragging Bill into this - not worth it. As much as I am the real misogynist here (I really, have always hated most women), I know Trump is not...but he must resist getting revenge. 'Cause that's what it will come across as. I mean, she called Bernie Bros losers, so that's really a misandrist comment! Bernie supporters can claim Misandry! But, pleez no sexy-time talk tonight! Pivot with aplomb! Think of your children's reputations - gotta shelve yours.

    Replies: @Bugg

    Problem with this is 4 years of Hillary after 8 years of Obama means game over. Mass immigration dooms the GOP is some of their stronger states, like Texas. Florida, North Carolina and Virginia will be blue forever. The demographics doom any GOP shot in the Electoral College. And SCOTUS; in addition to the Scalia seat. Ginsberg and Breyer figure to retire. Anthony Kennedy is 80, Clarence Thomas is 68. The GOP is still of the mind that we’ll get them next time. But there isn’t going to be a next time. It will be over.

    Really have no idea what the hell is going to happen tonight.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Bugg


    Mass immigration dooms the GOP is some of their stronger states, like Texas. Florida, North Carolina and Virginia will be blue forever.
     
    States need to change their laws to limit suffrage to natural-born citizens.
    , @Lagertha
    @Bugg

    that's why you must convince everyone this year, to vote Trump.
    Trump won tonight. Like the crazy bear he is, he just clawed back and won.

  70. @David G
    It's over, isn't it?

    Replies: @A-Bax, @Dave Pinsen, @rod1963, @Percy Gryce, @WowJustWow

  71. @biz
    @Lagertha

    weird.

    Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Welcome to the Unz Review, where disbarred lawyers and angry Russians argue over whether the Twin Towers were destroyed by nuclear weapons or Israeli holograms. We should be thankful this latest lunatic hasn’t brought up The Jewish Menace yet.

    • Replies: @anonitron1
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    I hope the Mexican agony aunt jumps in.

    , @BenKenobi
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    I'm not quite on board with your schtick, but I LOL'd @ "disbarred lawyers and angry Russians"

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    , @vinteuil
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    I am very, very surprised that Mr. Unz continues to allow you to post here.

    , @biz
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Heh, yeah, that is pretty accurate. Also don't forget the heated debates about whether the moon landing is actually a hoax or whether the concept that the moon landing is a hoax was planted by the CIA to discredit "real" conspiracy theories.

    Yet in spite of all of that, I read some things here that are more insightful than anything available in the MSM. That is a sad commentary on the MSM more than anything.

    Replies: @SFG, @John Jeremiah Smith

    , @SFG
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    It's the 'excluded media' site, it's going to have a few nutjobs. The 'gang of misfits' vibe is part of the appeal, I have to admit.

    Personally I think Bush knew about it and ignored it so he'd have carte blanche to invade Iraq, but that's just me.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Lot
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    What is your issue with the one disbarred lawyer who posts here under his own name?

    His comments, as far as I can remember, are generally interesting.

    Replies: @Romanian

  72. @Anonymous
    Unreal. Anderson Cooper as an unbiased moderator? Trump campaign is completely crazy to agree to it.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Dr. X

    The entire debate format, which ostensibly places the professional media in the role of (supposedly) unbiased questioner, unbiased fact-checker, candidate police, and umpire is ridiculous.

    Debates would be much, much better if they had teams of partisan questioners, not “moderators” — i.e. Limbaugh asking partisan questions of Hillary, and in turn, some little punks from Daily Kos or Huffington Post asking partisan questions of Trump. And the candidates would respond to the questioners, not to each other.

    That would be great, and highly informative.

    • Agree: ATX Hipster
    • Replies: @guest
    @Dr. X

    You still need someone to pose the questions, shut them up, and move things along. Or else it'd be chaos. I don't see why they can't get some guy from India, or somewhere, who doesn't know or care about American politics.

    Actually, I do know why: Republicans are pussies.

  73. @Dave Pinsen
    @David G

    Buy when there's blood in the streets. Trump is trading at 19 cents on PredictIt now: https://www.predictit.org/Market/1234/Who-will-win-the-2016-US-presidential-election

    I got a few at 18 cents yesterday.

    You can bet as little as $10. Might as well drop a few $ on him.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I wish I had seen your post earlier. I had to take 24 cents on Trump.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I trade the contract "Democrats lose" which is cheaper at ~18 now.

    Replies: @SFG

  74. @Tiny Duck
    Clinton is going to DESTROY Trump.

    I can't believe some of you morons think that he had a chance.

    People of a color (the future) hate him

    That tells you something right there

    Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Mark Eugenikos, @Unladen Swallow, @Fictitious Email, @Former Darfur, @Tracy

    How are you always able to post within the first 10 comments? Do you monitor this site or something? Do you not have a life?

    • LOL: Perspective
    • Replies: @TheJester
    @Fictitious Email

    Or, he is paid to monitor the Unz Review, especially iSteve. (Where is that ignore button?) If so, this is good news. iSteve deserves attention from those apparently chartered to relive the Soviet experience in the New World Order.

  75. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    @biz

    Welcome to the Unz Review, where disbarred lawyers and angry Russians argue over whether the Twin Towers were destroyed by nuclear weapons or Israeli holograms. We should be thankful this latest lunatic hasn't brought up The Jewish Menace yet.

    Replies: @anonitron1, @BenKenobi, @vinteuil, @biz, @SFG, @Lot

    I hope the Mexican agony aunt jumps in.

  76. @Dr. X
    Am I the only one to have noticed that NONE of the moderators in ANY of the debates so far are heterosexual white Christian males?

    So far we've had a black man and a Latina, and tonight we will have a gay man and a Jewess. Aren't there any hetero white men in the media named Fred, Richard, or Steve available to moderate??

    What gives?

    Seems that there's some sort of psychological gamesmanship going on here, where Trump, debating Hillary, is the only straight white man onstage and appears besieged by all these minorities and females.

    Replies: @Ivy

    Moderators are selected by TPTB using the Down with the Patriarchy filter.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Ivy

    Wonderful!

  77. Dennis Prager

    • Replies: @res
    @Triumph104

    His concluding paragraph is great and very appropriate for this moment:


    Perhaps the inane discussion of Mrs. Clinton's "anti-Semitism" will teach liberals just how dangerous this practice is. But don't count on it. In the meantime, non-liberals must take the high road and defend an icon of liberalism, even if neither she nor her fellow Democrats would defend a non-liberal icon against the same charges.
     
    Speaking of the high road, how can anyone not LOL at Hillary talking about "going high" and such things in the context of all the personal attacks on Trump?

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  78. The first “undecided” voter asks about “setting a bad model for children” and is a black woman school teacher. I’m sure she was completely honest about being open to voting for Trump.

    • Replies: @Keith Vaz
    @Lot

    She is a black woman and the mod is an Establishment gay CM - The 2 demographics least likely to vote Trump. No the MSM has no agenda!!!

  79. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    @biz

    Welcome to the Unz Review, where disbarred lawyers and angry Russians argue over whether the Twin Towers were destroyed by nuclear weapons or Israeli holograms. We should be thankful this latest lunatic hasn't brought up The Jewish Menace yet.

    Replies: @anonitron1, @BenKenobi, @vinteuil, @biz, @SFG, @Lot

    I’m not quite on board with your schtick, but I LOL’d @ “disbarred lawyers and angry Russians”

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @BenKenobi

    “Disbarred Lawyers and Angry Russians” would make for a good album title, but for what band?

    Replies: @BenKenobi

  80. Trump needs to full stop, no hold barred, Bill raping women and Hillary sliming the victims. Period. Its not a nerd-fest debate; its a popularity contest on TV.

    Trump is not going to win the Moral leader of the Universe, Racial Redeemer, Chocolate Jesus Award that Obama won, twice. He does not have to.

    All he has to do is persuade ENOUGH White women to NOT GO OUT AND VOTE HILLARY by posing as the least bad alternative.

    Essentially he has to play the James Spader character on TV’s “Blacklist.” The bad guy with some standards who protects his own. Women like that — Spader plays every woman’s fantasy father figure, a bad man willing to kill at the drop of a hat to protect his daughter.

    Debates are not about making logical points. Its about making people FEEL, and feel one candidate vs. the other make the more emotionally compelling leader.

    Trump needs to paint Hillary and Bill as pyschopathic liars and long-time abusers and enablers of all sorts of people who have no loyalty to anyone and will not even play the bad-but-protector role that lots of White women follow on TV. For that, he has to grab the role for himself.

  81. Juanita Broaddrick

  82. If Trump does not clear the air and take a stand – he is through. They will drip drip more things until the election.

    He has to top Clinton straight out, by accusing her of aiding and abetting rape by her husband – he can never lose that argument.

    He must compare rape to locker room words.

    p.s. 9:15 — Oh my – he is not doing it!

  83. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    @Dave Pinsen

    Trump isn't any better than the Ryan/Rubio crowd after that fantastic flip-flop on immigration. He isn't talking about tariffs anymore, either. The best option for this election was relying on President Lyin' Ted to gum up the works for four years.

    Replies: @Fictitious Email, @Colleen Pater, @Opinionator

    That’s nonsense. Cruz doesn’t support any of that plus he has supported other crazy things in the past – flat tax for the rich, free trade, amnesty (yep, went to the border to give out toys for illegals with that fool Glenn Beck), for example. Worse isn’t better. It’s amazing how some people can rationalize failure as something positive. Must be a defense mechanism or something.

    Cruz would have lost; even if he had won, he would have delivered nothing as president and would probably have supported an amnesty, despite whatever he said previously.

    Trump made the mistake of trying to appease the #trucucks. Instead, he should have gone all out from the beginning.

    If I were Trump in this debate, I would do the following : 1. slime Hillary’s character…but not by bringing up Bill’s affairs 2. bring up tariffs and tax increases on the rich to pay for social programs (i.e. nuke the #trucucks) 3. immigration moratorium 4. anti-free trade 5. anti-war

  84. “This Is Not Who We Are” Counter is at 1 after HRC’s first turn speaking.

    I’m hoping we can stay on the Trump Tape for the duration of the debate. Nothing is more important.

  85. Well, it’s obvious the debate has been stacked from the very beginning. After the first four minutes, it seems to me that Trump has already won. Hillary is hammering down on her talking points, but her phoniness is palpable. Trump is coming across as utterly, sympathetically human.

  86. Yes, it’s over. Trump is a weak candidate. The moderators are killing him and his response is to get suckered in right away.

  87. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Dave Pinsen

    I wish I had seen your post earlier. I had to take 24 cents on Trump.

    Replies: @Lot

    I trade the contract “Democrats lose” which is cheaper at ~18 now.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Lot

    Much as I hate to join the MacDonald brigade it is funny the two Jewish guys are the ones talking about trading options. ;)

    Replies: @Lot

  88. Trump is doing great so far against a hostile and biased set of questions.

    We are about 15 minutes and every single question so far has been a pointed anti-Trump question that has nothing to do with policy.

    I wish Trump would shut up about the emails however. Do you think a single voter is going to decide based on this issue?

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Lot

    I think most military votes would be strongly affected by the email scandal. Higher level govt employees. In short, anyone familiar with history of clearance, importance of clearance, management and leadership. It really rubs people up the wrong way to elect someone to the highest office of the land like that when anyone not politically connected would lose their job or be jailed for the same thing. And she lies about it. It is all kinds of wrong.

    Replies: @Ivy

  89. “Fact Checking” Counter at 7! In about 30 seconds!

  90. “Because you’d be in jail.” I can’t tell if Trump’s special prosecutor gambit is a good idea or not. I think we generally move on after elections. Threatening to prosecute the losing side is a dicey move, IMHO.

    • Replies: @newrouter
    @Percy Gryce

    >I think we generally move on after elections. <

    the other side doesn't see it that way.

    , @The Z Blog
    @Percy Gryce

    My e-mail and text lit up with that one. Pretty much everyone I know thought that was a direct hit. I would say most of my friends are mildly anti-Trump. Those who are pro-Trump were roaring with approval.

    Not having seen it, I'm guessing it must have worked with those it needs to work.

    Replies: @Percy Gryce

    , @Hibernian
    @Percy Gryce

    Marquess of Queensberry rules went out during Watergate, at the latest.

    , @Difference Maker
    @Percy Gryce

    This is about reminding the public of the magnitude of her crimes

    Replies: @jon

    , @Lot
    @Percy Gryce

    I thought it was a bad moment.

    Both Hillary and Trump looked best talking policy and looked worse talking about the other candidate.

    Trump was not especially coherent talking about policy, and I winced at his stupid "sell insurance across state lines" talking point, but he certainly seemed more presidential at those points.

    Replies: @res

    , @Anonymous
    @Percy Gryce

    Reddit moderators saw fit to delete a popular post about this (Well, Donald Trump Just Threatened to Throw Hillary Clinton in Jail from Slate) because it didn't play out that anti-Trump. After all, Redditors were calling for the same when Sanders was still in the running.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Percy Gryce


    “Because you’d be in jail.” I can’t tell if Trump’s special prosecutor gambit is a good idea or not. I think we generally move on after elections. Threatening to prosecute the losing side is a dicey move, IMHO.
     
    "Because you'd be in jail" quip is fine.

    The special prosecutor thing, i thought was counter productive. (Especially because Trump still hasn't explained why she was doing it--skirting FOI to do favors for Clinton Foundation clients.)

    "Something more like, "FBI director James Comey basically said the evidence was substantial and you'd be prosecuted ... except for the fact you're Hillary Clinton and running for President. I'd seriously considered appointing a special prosecutor if i was elected. But really American just needs to see the *end* of the Clinton era. Take all the bribes Wall Street, Goldman Sachs, the Saudis and others have paid you and please do us all a favor and just *leave*."

    Offer Americans something positive out of this mess--the end to the Clinton saga. Trump should make that point in his final pitch to voters.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  91. Absolutely. At this point it’s disaster vs. damage control. Plus w/e neocon wars HRC has in store for us. But, yeah…this has been one big repetition of pulling back the curtain and showing the ugliness inside. Somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of the country are A-OK with overt racism, sexism, religious bigotry, homophobia and xenophobia so long as it’s OUR bigot in charge. FFS.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Tiny Duck

    "Somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of the country are A-OK with overt racism, sexism, religious bigotry, homophobia and xenophobia..."

    The HORROR!

    Given that the establishment, media, ivory towers, and about 99% of minorities are ok with spouting off genocidal-level hate for me, a white man, I really couldn't care less about SJW trolls like you getting their panties in a bunch over how many people are getting tired of it and pushing back.

  92. @Lot
    The first "undecided" voter asks about "setting a bad model for children" and is a black woman school teacher. I'm sure she was completely honest about being open to voting for Trump.

    Replies: @Keith Vaz

    She is a black woman and the mod is an Establishment gay CM – The 2 demographics least likely to vote Trump. No the MSM has no agenda!!!

  93. @Percy Gryce
    "Because you'd be in jail." I can't tell if Trump's special prosecutor gambit is a good idea or not. I think we generally move on after elections. Threatening to prosecute the losing side is a dicey move, IMHO.

    Replies: @newrouter, @The Z Blog, @Hibernian, @Difference Maker, @Lot, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    >I think we generally move on after elections. <

    the other side doesn't see it that way.

  94. SLUGFEST!!!! This is better then the fights at Vegas. Trump punched the hell out of Hillary on the e-mails and the Bill Clinton sex scandals. Hillary was ROCKED! THIS is the Trump we’ve been waiting for!!!

  95. djt isn’t sitting much

  96. I like that Trump is going after the Bernie Bros

    • Replies: @S. anonyia
    @ATX Hipster

    It's what he should have been doing all along, instead of paying lip service to TrueCon talking points. It worked too! My FB feed was full of Bernie bros slamming Clinton and hinting at support for Trump. Hillary's neo-con nuttery was fully out in the open tonight and it scared them.

  97. @Percy Gryce
    "Because you'd be in jail." I can't tell if Trump's special prosecutor gambit is a good idea or not. I think we generally move on after elections. Threatening to prosecute the losing side is a dicey move, IMHO.

    Replies: @newrouter, @The Z Blog, @Hibernian, @Difference Maker, @Lot, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    My e-mail and text lit up with that one. Pretty much everyone I know thought that was a direct hit. I would say most of my friends are mildly anti-Trump. Those who are pro-Trump were roaring with approval.

    Not having seen it, I’m guessing it must have worked with those it needs to work.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    @The Z Blog

    I'm sure it's great electioneering. I just worry that when the stakes of losing are jail time, then Hillary's allies, who currently control the federal establishment, might up the ante.

    Replies: @The Z Blog, @Hibernian

  98. Moooslums? When did this start?

  99. Trump is fucking full nuclear Liberty Prime tonight. Good fucking gravy.

  100. Trump comes out swinging! He’s doing great.

    So far, the debate “moderators” have been a black man, a black woman, a white woman and a gay man. The media isn’t going to wait until Hillary is elected – they’re replacing hetero white men right now. Trump is alone in standing up for us, dealing with immigration, attacks on police and las and order, trade, jobs leaving the country, etc.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Anon7


    So far, the debate “moderators” have been a black man, a black woman, a white woman and a gay man.
     
    I'm late to this thread, and I understand the University of Washington's gesture to the Singaporean foreign student who is their student council president.

    Just the same, it was off-putting to see a citizen of a foreign country inserted so directly into our country's democratic workings at the highest level—a presidential debate.

    I guess it was the open borders elite's way of thumbing their nose at America.

    Next step, aliens get the vote. In a way, they already have it.
    , @anonymous
    @Anon7

    Don't worry, the next moderator is Chris Wallace

  101. First 5 mins not good for DJT, but quite good ever since. He has landed some great jabs. A couple haymakers are pending as the topics turn to his strong suits.

  102. Hillary Clinton is laying on the lies, talking points, and manipulations so thickly that it is nauseating. Mark my words, the ordinary people watching this debate can perceive the inauthenticity. The megaphone will not work this time.

  103. I think Trump is doing much better than last time: (1) not walking into Clinton traps, (2) bringing up border security and not backing down.

    My one (logical) complaint is that pre-existing conditions are basically an intractable problem that nothing but single payer can solve. No amount of “competition” can help.

  104. @The Z Blog
    @Percy Gryce

    My e-mail and text lit up with that one. Pretty much everyone I know thought that was a direct hit. I would say most of my friends are mildly anti-Trump. Those who are pro-Trump were roaring with approval.

    Not having seen it, I'm guessing it must have worked with those it needs to work.

    Replies: @Percy Gryce

    I’m sure it’s great electioneering. I just worry that when the stakes of losing are jail time, then Hillary’s allies, who currently control the federal establishment, might up the ante.

    • Replies: @The Z Blog
    @Percy Gryce

    Not quarter given in politics. The GOP has been groveling for decades hoping for mercy. They never get it. Trump, to his credit, seems to be figuring that out and is now unleashing his full arsenal.

    My guess is the release of that tape pissed him off. Probably a bad move by Team Clinton.

    Replies: @Bugg, @Mr. Anon

    , @Hibernian
    @Percy Gryce

    Welcome to Venezuela.

  105. After the “undecided” black teacher we get an “undecided” chubby Muslim woman.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Lot

    It's notable that the Muslim girl had no hijab. This was intended to subliminally lead people to think that Muslims tend to be less culturally alien than they actually tend to be.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Lot

    "After the “undecided” black teacher we get an “undecided” chubby Muslim woman."

    Yeah. I snorted when they said that the questions were to be provided by (Gallup selected) "undecided voters". How do we know they're really undecided? What a crock. Like you, I seriously doubt that those two examples you mentioned are really "undecided".

  106. vast russian wing conspiracy

  107. “Abraham Lincoln” is the best line of the night so far.

  108. Great Trump line on tax policy and why Hillary didn’t change the tax code when she was a senator. Maybe the best substantive line I’ve heard from Trump in either debate.

  109. I had decided this morning that the leaked recordings scandal was good for Trump in the long run because it was a hard punch to the face that shook him up and forced him to take things seriously. He looks much more self-controlled and prepared tonight compared to last time.

  110. After this debate there’s a pretty good body of evidence that Trump set the bar low in the first debate so that he could vault over it this time. Holy crap he’s hammering her on all her weak points.

  111. @Percy Gryce
    @The Z Blog

    I'm sure it's great electioneering. I just worry that when the stakes of losing are jail time, then Hillary's allies, who currently control the federal establishment, might up the ante.

    Replies: @The Z Blog, @Hibernian

    Not quarter given in politics. The GOP has been groveling for decades hoping for mercy. They never get it. Trump, to his credit, seems to be figuring that out and is now unleashing his full arsenal.

    My guess is the release of that tape pissed him off. Probably a bad move by Team Clinton.

    • Replies: @Bugg
    @The Z Blog

    Not sure Trump grasped until now that the Clinton crime Family plays for keeps. The tape hurt him, but looks like it focused Trump tonight. We'll see if he cane overcome the fallout from the tape.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @The Z Blog

    "My guess is the release of that tape pissed him off. Probably a bad move by Team Clinton."

    Did Team Clinton release the tape? Or did Team Bush? As far as I know, none of the Bush clan have said they will vote for Trump. Many have said they will vote against him. And after all, the guy Trump was talking to on that tape, Billy Bush, is Jeb's first cousin.

    Replies: @snorlax

  112. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    @biz

    Welcome to the Unz Review, where disbarred lawyers and angry Russians argue over whether the Twin Towers were destroyed by nuclear weapons or Israeli holograms. We should be thankful this latest lunatic hasn't brought up The Jewish Menace yet.

    Replies: @anonitron1, @BenKenobi, @vinteuil, @biz, @SFG, @Lot

    I am very, very surprised that Mr. Unz continues to allow you to post here.

  113. @Lot
    After the "undecided" black teacher we get an "undecided" chubby Muslim woman.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon

    It’s notable that the Muslim girl had no hijab. This was intended to subliminally lead people to think that Muslims tend to be less culturally alien than they actually tend to be.

  114. Talk about a set-up…how the hell can anyone take 1%er Vanderbilt boy and Hillary shill Anderson Pooper seriously as a moderator? I guess the corporate media no longer needs to even pretend to be unbiased.

  115. Hillary looked pathetic trying to tout her accomplishments.

  116. Loved it when Trump said Hill-beast would “be in jail” if he were president.

  117. I’m REALLY troubled by all this anti-Russian shit.

    Russia, Russia, Russia… Hitlery is using Russia and Putin as a bogeyman. She acts like she’s trying to goad the Russkies into war… be worried about this, very worried.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Dr. X


    I’m REALLY troubled by all this anti-Russian shit.

    Russia, Russia, Russia… Hitlery is using Russia and Putin as a bogeyman. She acts like she’s trying to goad the Russkies into war… be worried about this, very worried.
     
    I'm with you.
  118. @Anon
    Where does one move to avoid the multicultural hordes descending upon America? I want my kids to grow up in an America like the one I was born into.

    Replies: @Perspective, @Flip, @John Jeremiah Smith

    Idaho

    • Replies: @fnn
    @Flip

    Maybe not for long. Wikipedia says, "As of 2011, 27.2% of Idaho's children under the age of one belonged to racial or ethnic minority groups, meaning that they had at least one parent who was not non-Hispanic white."

    Replies: @Flip

  119. @The Z Blog
    @Percy Gryce

    Not quarter given in politics. The GOP has been groveling for decades hoping for mercy. They never get it. Trump, to his credit, seems to be figuring that out and is now unleashing his full arsenal.

    My guess is the release of that tape pissed him off. Probably a bad move by Team Clinton.

    Replies: @Bugg, @Mr. Anon

    Not sure Trump grasped until now that the Clinton crime Family plays for keeps. The tape hurt him, but looks like it focused Trump tonight. We’ll see if he cane overcome the fallout from the tape.

  120. @Tiny Duck
    Clinton is going to DESTROY Trump.

    I can't believe some of you morons think that he had a chance.

    People of a color (the future) hate him

    That tells you something right there

    Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Mark Eugenikos, @Unladen Swallow, @Fictitious Email, @Former Darfur, @Tracy

    Tiny D*ck

    People of a color (the future) hate him

    The color of the future is white….along with, maybe, a few yellows, like the Japanese maybe, or the whiter mercantile minorities.

    For all others, there is no future. Also, there is no past. They have timeless societies. Nothing changes. Their art, music, clothing, architecture stays the same over centuries, even millennia.
    Arabs dressed the same in 60, 600, 1600 AD. Chinese invented gunpowder and movable type, they made fireworks and playing cards, but nothing changed. The Europeans rediscovered them and overthrew the entire social order in a human lifetime.

  121. I’m from St. Louis and know Washington University well. There is little doubt that 95% of the people in that audience are stongly against Trump.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Celine's Ghost

    When I caught a little of it on the radio there was applause for both sides. The near west suburbs of St. Louis are a small liberal island in a conservative state.

    Replies: @Kylie

  122. Wow, Trump just said he disagrees with bombing Syrian military targets and “meeting Russia with strength.” Overton Window, meet Shift.

  123. Why did Trump pick Pence? Pence is a neocon scumsucker. Trump showed horrific judgement picking him and now Trump is directly contradicting Pence about Syria.

    • Replies: @TangoMan
    @AndrewR

    Why did Trump pick Pence? Pence is a neocon scumsucker. Trump showed horrific judgement picking him and now Trump is directly contradicting Pence about Syria.

    A failed gambit. He wanted to unite the party. Pence is only useful up until the election after which he's worth a bucket of warm spit.

  124. “So, what does Hillary have lined up for the last 15 minutes? Because so far she has let Trump get back into the race …”

    11 minutes to go, my guess is nothing. Roles are reversed – she is the overconfident one who planned to coast this time.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Jokah Macpherson

    She brought up Alicia with 3 minutes to go.

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Jokah Macpherson

    She brought up Alicia with 3 minutes to go.

    Replies: @Abe

  125. I don’t think he’s listening to the nice lady campaign manager anymore…

  126. Bullying is up! It’s the Trump Effect!

    The Ferguson Effect? Ridiculous. Makes no sense. Can we get back to talking about how Trump’s existence is causing bullying at schools? It must be true, teachers are saying it.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @ATX Hipster

    Well, murder is a form of bullying!

  127. Hillary Clinton: “If you don’t vote for me, I still want to be your president.”

    Yeah, no shit you do.

  128. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    @biz

    Welcome to the Unz Review, where disbarred lawyers and angry Russians argue over whether the Twin Towers were destroyed by nuclear weapons or Israeli holograms. We should be thankful this latest lunatic hasn't brought up The Jewish Menace yet.

    Replies: @anonitron1, @BenKenobi, @vinteuil, @biz, @SFG, @Lot

    Heh, yeah, that is pretty accurate. Also don’t forget the heated debates about whether the moon landing is actually a hoax or whether the concept that the moon landing is a hoax was planted by the CIA to discredit “real” conspiracy theories.

    Yet in spite of all of that, I read some things here that are more insightful than anything available in the MSM. That is a sad commentary on the MSM more than anything.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @biz

    Yeah. I read a lot of sources, and the advantage of Unz's stuff is it's totally opposite what the rest of the media says. Some of it's BS. Some of it really isn't. Even Linh Dinh's crazy people are fascinating ethnography. The guy has a real gift for narrative, and how many people actually ask homeless people their lives and take down the whole crazy rant?

    Replies: @biz

    , @John Jeremiah Smith
    @biz


    Heh, yeah, that is pretty accurate. Also don’t forget the heated debates about whether the moon landing is actually a hoax or whether the concept that the moon landing is a hoax was planted by the CIA to discredit “real” conspiracy theories.
     
    Har! And anyone knows no Ayrab is tek-nick-el enough to fly a 757.
  129. @BenKenobi
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    I'm not quite on board with your schtick, but I LOL'd @ "disbarred lawyers and angry Russians"

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    “Disbarred Lawyers and Angry Russians” would make for a good album title, but for what band?

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Former Darfur

    I dunno, something Alt-Right/Rock/Prog

  130. @Jokah Macpherson
    "So, what does Hillary have lined up for the last 15 minutes? Because so far she has let Trump get back into the race …"

    11 minutes to go, my guess is nothing. Roles are reversed - she is the overconfident one who planned to coast this time.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

    She brought up Alicia with 3 minutes to go.

  131. @Jokah Macpherson
    "So, what does Hillary have lined up for the last 15 minutes? Because so far she has let Trump get back into the race …"

    11 minutes to go, my guess is nothing. Roles are reversed - she is the overconfident one who planned to coast this time.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

    She brought up Alicia with 3 minutes to go.

    • Replies: @Abe
    @Steve Sailer


    She brought up Alicia with 3 minutes to go.
     
    Did you read CNN's account of the making of the p-grab bombshell? NBC was ready to run with it TOMORROW morning, but sleazy ACCESS HOLLYWOOD somehow got itself into the position of scooping them so it came out early. Meaning, the "I'm With Her" campaign had once again colluded with the media for Hillary to drop a bomb durning the final seconds of the debate which the media would then dutifully run with for the next two weeks, all from prearranged jumping-off points, but the sleaze merchants messed all of it up for them by, you know, running their business like an actual business whose business it is to grab the most eyeballs first with the most lurid, sensational trash. Since Hollyweird has loved telling us since forever how outsiders, low-lifes, criminals, traitors. and other various forms of scum-receptacletude are really still more moral, if you think about it right, than Mr. Uptight Whitebread Suburban Bourgeois Patriarchal Authority Figure, I guess this development, which probably saved the Trump campaign, has some poetic justice.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  132. Trump is having a total meltdown. He’s looking like a disaster. Squabbling with the moderators and having a persecution complex

    • Troll: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Tiny Duck

    Yeah, that wasn't good.

    , @TomSchmidt
    @Tiny Duck

    Yeah, that wasn't good.

  133. Secretary Clinton, you are disciplined and respectable. Your opponent is undisciplined, and frankly, a big ol’ piece of shit. Could you expand on that?

  134. Hillary wants a Supreme Court to reverse Citizens United and get dark, unaccountable money out of politics. Irony?

    A perfect opportunity for a Trump twofer – “Look at how much money helped Jeb! Clearly money doesn’t buy elections and I’m going to prove it against you too, all of the corruption you’re trading for donations from your billionaire patrons won’t buy you the election either.”

  135. @AndrewR
    Why did Trump pick Pence? Pence is a neocon scumsucker. Trump showed horrific judgement picking him and now Trump is directly contradicting Pence about Syria.

    Replies: @TangoMan

    Why did Trump pick Pence? Pence is a neocon scumsucker. Trump showed horrific judgement picking him and now Trump is directly contradicting Pence about Syria.

    A failed gambit. He wanted to unite the party. Pence is only useful up until the election after which he’s worth a bucket of warm spit.

  136. God-Emperor Trump has triggered the evil witch to the point where she might OD on Ambien and alcohol tonight. This is the greatest thing I’ve ever seen.

    I bet no one has ever spoken this truthfully or directly to her in her entire adult life.

    • Replies: @newrouter
    @Marie

    agree

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Marie

    "I bet no one has ever spoken this truthfully or directly to her in her entire adult life."

    Oh, so you're not counting Gennifer Flowers; Juanita Broaddick; et. al?

    Replies: @Marie

    , @Lagertha
    @Marie

    on 2nd view, I agree. too much off-script disjointed talk. A.C. was prompting her to "quit her monologue" of words going on and on about Wall St.

  137. We need to fix America’s problems.

    Not Syria’s and the rest of the world.

  138. Excellent final answer by Trump. Finally didn’t take the bait.

  139. One word: Masterful.

  140. This may be a debate that his base loves, but they hadn’t abandoned him over the weekend anyway. I just don’t see what anyone else would like about it, and his base is not nearly enough to win an election.

  141. @Tiny Duck
    Trump is having a total meltdown. He's looking like a disaster. Squabbling with the moderators and having a persecution complex

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @TomSchmidt

    Yeah, that wasn’t good.

  142. @David G
    It's over, isn't it?

    Replies: @A-Bax, @Dave Pinsen, @rod1963, @Percy Gryce, @WowJustWow

    If the RNC has really decided to throw the election by cancelling get-out-the-vote efforts, it might be: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/rnc-halts-all-victory-project-work-for-trump-229363

    • Replies: @abner
    @WowJustWow

    There is an absolute best case scenario here where Trump wins even after the GOP stabs him in the back. Instead of dragging the traitors along in the fantasy they'd ever be useful the new civic nationalist republicans can scrape the barnacles off for good.

  143. @Tiny Duck
    Trump is having a total meltdown. He's looking like a disaster. Squabbling with the moderators and having a persecution complex

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @TomSchmidt

    Yeah, that wasn’t good.

  144. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Hillary: “I respect the second amendment, but believes in comprehensive background checks …””

    Comprehensive background checks on Americans, except when it comes to voting? And then it’s ‘racism’ against the poor as they can’t be bothered to either get an ID, or produce one.

    And how much background checking for other things-jobs, healthcare, etc. is she in favor of for those who are otherwise trying to pass themselves off as being legally in the US?

    Seems to me these are pretty important too.

    • Replies: @G Pinfold
    @Anonymous

    Just a quibble, but Trumps could have mentioned the First Amendment as well as the Second. Internet censorship is one thing that drives Millenials (and gen Ys) nuts, and its definitely on Hillary's agenda.

  145. So it seems like immigration didn’t come up directly again; that’s unfortunate. This is the biggest issue by far, and it’s getting almost no coverage.

    • Replies: @Mr Curious
    @anon930

    If MSM ever let a straight White Man moderate...

    , @Anonymous
    @anon930

    He must be saving it for the last debate. Which worries me, because there won't be any second chances to get that right. Our Ellis Island media went ape over the Phoenix immigration speech.

    Replies: @anon930

  146. Trump ABSOLUTELY won… but the media talking heads are now trying to downplay it and some of them are even giving Hillary the debate! Crazy.

    Trump did great tonight… the media flacks are trying to spin it otherwise.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Dr. X


    Trump ABSOLUTELY won… but the media talking heads are now trying to downplay it and some of them are even giving Hillary the debate! Crazy.
     
    Trump was ahead most of the debate. But he hit it out of the park with his last complimentary comment about Hillary. Especially after she went low.
    , @Corvinus
    @Dr. X

    "Trump ABSOLUTELY won… but the media talking heads are now trying to downplay it and some of them are even giving Hillary the debate! Crazy."

    Yes, Trump "won" by restating the obvious over and over again. Is that going to magically change people's minds that Hillary is also a deplorable? It's not as if the general public learned anything new about her character.

    Nate Silver has Hillary winning the election 82% of the time in his model.

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

    Certainly, his projections could be off, and Trump may end up winning, albeit it is appears unlikely.

  147. I think I have found the most naive person on Twitter (this is making the rounds):

    To dismiss Trump’s comments as “guy talk” is an insult to good men and boys. This is what rape culture looks & sounds like.— Brené Brown (@BreneBrown) October 8, 2016

    • Replies: @Jokah Macpherson
    @SPMoore8

    Wait, who appointed a chick spokesperson for "good men and boys"?

  148. @Lagertha
    @rod1963

    her campaign (internet)soliciting former Bernie people for money is like, 6 times a day, from what I hear. I agree, it's not over, hahahah: Until the Fat Lady Sings! I agree that it is all Pravda propaganda to make people believe Trump is behind. I mean he had a nice, unplanned "breakfast rally at the TTower yesterday." His people don't read the NYT or watch CNN.

    OT: most women, in their wildest fantasies, want men to grab their p*ssy and boobs, or butt! I realize the tape was damaging and cringe-worthy, but I have always thought Americans are the biggest prudes. I mean, I shouldn't say this, but, I had a really good sex-guru, a fellow student, who was fracking unbelievable in bed - he was Irish, btw, literally Irish. And, after our time-limited, splendid affair of a couple months (he had a girlfriend back in the states), I felt very confident for the rest of my life.

    Subsequently, I have "made" more than a few men better husbands back in my prime. But, man, are many American men and women prudes. I think it is terrible to live without good sex or to not have experienced it. And, this is only possible with a person you share a deep connection with, even if you don't wind up together forever.

    I have given my sons books on being a good lover...books with pictures. Ok, said too much... but I'm anticipating the sexy-time talk tonight!...and I hate fracking, Spanish Inquisition, with people who have no idea what good sex is...and, here's a clue: people who are loosey-goosey with sex-talk, love sex; and are good at it. But, the difference is: you don't ever force someone to have sex with you....ever. SO, take that with a grain of salt - my nerves talking :)! And, I'm bored by the Trump tape thing now, with mealy-mouth Billy Bush...bush...my mind is teetering!

    Replies: @biz, @SFG

    I’m well aware that women like guys who take the initiative…but guess wrong and you could wind up in jail.

    Not worth it.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @SFG

    I touched a nerve...aahww - Don't protect liarss if you are in a position of power. We all need to take the fracking liars down in this country, for God's sake! My grandfathers marched the communists to the eastern border and told them to keep walking...it was winter, but those were the choices. Death is a choice for true believers...like jihadies.

    Replies: @Dissident, @SFG

  149. Trump won the last question about saying something positive about the other candidate. Hillary’s answer was such a copout.

    • Agree: Coemgen
    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @AndrewR

    That's such a shit question, I hate that cutesy debator question crap. He should have said

    "I love the way she showed up at my kid's wedding when I paid her, and that her husband always pays his dues on time at my golf course."

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @AndrewR

    I agree. It looked like Hillary was actually rocked by Trump's last answer. She must have realized he won that one. It was a gracious compliment and a well-considered one, while hers was "at least he has nice children." (Up there with Obama's famous statement about her, "She's nice enough.")

    I'm not sure Trump's going to win over the ladies, but that response impressed even my wife, who doesn't favor him.

    , @Marat
    @AndrewR

    Her memory. When she has it.
    Or
    Her determination.
    Or
    Her loyalty to her husband.

  150. Scorched Earth Indeed. Trump won on points. She is still as slick as ever, but DJT’s new focus and fight is going to set the stage for an even more epic Debate #3. He can win the Big Prize. The ferocity of this election is the great catharsis the nation needs to cut the establishment & MSM down to size.

  151. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Absolutely. At this point it's disaster vs. damage control. Plus w/e neocon wars HRC has in store for us. But, yeah...this has been one big repetition of pulling back the curtain and showing the ugliness inside. Somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of the country are A-OK with overt racism, sexism, religious bigotry, homophobia and xenophobia so long as it's OUR bigot in charge. FFS.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “Somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of the country are A-OK with overt racism, sexism, religious bigotry, homophobia and xenophobia…”

    The HORROR!

    Given that the establishment, media, ivory towers, and about 99% of minorities are ok with spouting off genocidal-level hate for me, a white man, I really couldn’t care less about SJW trolls like you getting their panties in a bunch over how many people are getting tired of it and pushing back.

  152. Haven’t seen any of the debate but betting markets are reeling odds for Trump back in so must be a good showing.

  153. @AndrewR
    Trump won the last question about saying something positive about the other candidate. Hillary's answer was such a copout.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Harry Baldwin, @Marat

    That’s such a shit question, I hate that cutesy debator question crap. He should have said

    “I love the way she showed up at my kid’s wedding when I paid her, and that her husband always pays his dues on time at my golf course.”

  154. Didn’t get to watch much, heard a lot of talk about Aleppo. He brought up Yemen at the commander-in-chief forum I think — any follow up?

    A Saudi-led coalition airstrike hit a funeral hall packed with thousands of mourners in Yemen’s capital Saturday, killing over 140 people

    Very surprised no mention of Hillary’s “private/public position”, the private one being open borders.

  155. @biz
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Heh, yeah, that is pretty accurate. Also don't forget the heated debates about whether the moon landing is actually a hoax or whether the concept that the moon landing is a hoax was planted by the CIA to discredit "real" conspiracy theories.

    Yet in spite of all of that, I read some things here that are more insightful than anything available in the MSM. That is a sad commentary on the MSM more than anything.

    Replies: @SFG, @John Jeremiah Smith

    Yeah. I read a lot of sources, and the advantage of Unz’s stuff is it’s totally opposite what the rest of the media says. Some of it’s BS. Some of it really isn’t. Even Linh Dinh’s crazy people are fascinating ethnography. The guy has a real gift for narrative, and how many people actually ask homeless people their lives and take down the whole crazy rant?

    • Replies: @biz
    @SFG

    For me the legitimately interesting are Khan, Sailer, and Lee. Buchannon and Paul are public figures so I read their stuff. The rest I just skim to see what various kooks are on about lately (apparently Israel is going to have to pay reparations for 9/11 any day now lol).

  156. @Pseudonymic Handle
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Mittens was a one-term governor, not a seasoned politician.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    More seasoned than the Donald.

  157. @SPMoore8
    I think I have found the most naive person on Twitter (this is making the rounds):

    To dismiss Trump’s comments as “guy talk” is an insult to good men and boys. This is what rape culture looks & sounds like.— Brené Brown (@BreneBrown) October 8, 2016
     

    Replies: @Jokah Macpherson

    Wait, who appointed a chick spokesperson for “good men and boys”?

  158. Maybe it’s just my naivete, but I thought he did really well. The moderators were out to get him, and he more or less held his own. Certainly did better than the first one. I don’t know if he’ll be President, but this ought to help the guy a little.

  159. Moshe says:

    He should have been better. On fire. Having fun.

    He was better than last time but he interrupted and whined too much.

    When he’s having fun he does well. He might need a precipitous slump this week so that he stops taking this election seriously and start having fun again.

    He should have let his zingers stick and not keep repeating them.

    He should have defended white people and spoken about law and order. And The Wall.

    But yeah, he wasn’t as horrible as last time. And the fact that he has a low bar to clear may make him appear like the winner.

    But ultimately he does NOT win when he plays politician and talks about the issues. He wins when he seduces the people to vote for him. And seduction is different than drawing up a balance sheet.

    He needs to fire ALL his advisers and just go to town.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @Moshe

    Agreed. He needs to stop being a spaz. It's looks unseemly. Trump is a golfer. A good one at that. You can't spaz out and make a ten-foot birdie putt to win a match. You need to relax, breathe deeply and concentrate. Most of all relax. He's getting better though.

  160. @Anonymous
    "Hillary: “I respect the second amendment, but believes in comprehensive background checks …”"

    Comprehensive background checks on Americans, except when it comes to voting? And then it's 'racism' against the poor as they can't be bothered to either get an ID, or produce one.

    And how much background checking for other things-jobs, healthcare, etc. is she in favor of for those who are otherwise trying to pass themselves off as being legally in the US?

    Seems to me these are pretty important too.

    Replies: @G Pinfold

    Just a quibble, but Trumps could have mentioned the First Amendment as well as the Second. Internet censorship is one thing that drives Millenials (and gen Ys) nuts, and its definitely on Hillary’s agenda.

  161. Hillary still looks stressed when Benghazi is mentioned. There must be loose ends still dangling from her involvement there.

    • Replies: @exiled off mainstreet
    @Coemgen

    One loose end is in Sirte, Libya, where the jihadi thugs sponsored by the harpy in her overthrow of Libya committed a mass murder on Africans Khaddafi had settled there as "mercenaries" when they seized the city. In general, Benghazi really represents the war crime Hillary is guilty of, spearheading the Libya destabilization. After all, even Obama has admitted that this was his greatest error. If Trump wins, perhaps he won't take Obama's position that war crimes should be forgotten about as we go forward.

  162. @Sgt. Joe Friday
    @Tiny Duck

    Uh, actually it's the moderators and the media pundits that are going to do all the work. All Mrs. Clinton has to do is recite her lines without drooling or having a coughing fit. Trump could have a masterful peformance, and all the press is going to talk about is how badly she outscored him.

    Trump is actually going to be lucky if all that happens to him is that he loses the election. With the media hysteria cranked up, I would have to think that his personal safety is in danger, and once the election is over, he probably will have a difficult time going back to private business. Clinton's DOJ, with GOPe connivance, is going to make an example of him to show anyone else who's contemplating taking on the establishment that doing so will ruin them.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Hibernian

    Especially after, early in the debate tonight, he threatened her with a prison term if he wins.

    • Replies: @FactsAreImportant
    @Hibernian

    Very much did not like the talk about putting Hillary in jail.

    Scary.

    Replies: @newrouter, @TangoMan, @Obamadon_Imbecilis

  163. @Triumph104
    Dennis Prager

    https://twitter.com/DennisPrager/status/785245267536687105?lang=en

    https://twitter.com/DennisPrager/status/785245349011075072?lang=en

    Replies: @res

    His concluding paragraph is great and very appropriate for this moment:

    Perhaps the inane discussion of Mrs. Clinton’s “anti-Semitism” will teach liberals just how dangerous this practice is. But don’t count on it. In the meantime, non-liberals must take the high road and defend an icon of liberalism, even if neither she nor her fellow Democrats would defend a non-liberal icon against the same charges.

    Speaking of the high road, how can anyone not LOL at Hillary talking about “going high” and such things in the context of all the personal attacks on Trump?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @res

    LOL at Hillary talking about “going high” and such things in the context of all the personal attacks on Trump

    She's mastered the Obama technique of saying one thing and then doing exactly the opposite. Obama: "We've got to get beyond all this petty, partisan bickering" followed by "the Republicans want to push your grandmother off a cliff."

  164. Trump has defied gravity for months.

    The BLM thing. It’s like a Willie Horton advertisement.

  165. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    @biz

    Welcome to the Unz Review, where disbarred lawyers and angry Russians argue over whether the Twin Towers were destroyed by nuclear weapons or Israeli holograms. We should be thankful this latest lunatic hasn't brought up The Jewish Menace yet.

    Replies: @anonitron1, @BenKenobi, @vinteuil, @biz, @SFG, @Lot

    It’s the ‘excluded media’ site, it’s going to have a few nutjobs. The ‘gang of misfits’ vibe is part of the appeal, I have to admit.

    Personally I think Bush knew about it and ignored it so he’d have carte blanche to invade Iraq, but that’s just me.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @SFG

    The destruction of all those SEC records in Bldg. 7 takes it from the realm of ridiculous to marginally plausible.

  166. @Hibernian
    @Sgt. Joe Friday

    Especially after, early in the debate tonight, he threatened her with a prison term if he wins.

    Replies: @FactsAreImportant

    Very much did not like the talk about putting Hillary in jail.

    Scary.

    • Troll: 415 reasons
    • Replies: @newrouter
    @FactsAreImportant

    >Very much did not like the talk about putting Hillary in jail.

    Scary.<

    so the "ruining class" gets a pass? fu

    , @TangoMan
    @FactsAreImportant

    There's an NSA contractor who will likely be going to jail for committing lesser crimes than Hillary.

    I understand the principle of not criminalizing your enemies but everyone knows that this does not apply to Hillary who actually committed crimes.

    , @Obamadon_Imbecilis
    @FactsAreImportant

    That was the best part. We need public officials to be regularly impeached, tried, and imprisoned for their crimes. Imprisoning Hillary would be a good start. Heaven forbid the laws of the country actually apply to the powerful.

  167. @anon930
    So it seems like immigration didn't come up directly again; that's unfortunate. This is the biggest issue by far, and it's getting almost no coverage.

    Replies: @Mr Curious, @Anonymous

    If MSM ever let a straight White Man moderate…

  168. @Lot
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I trade the contract "Democrats lose" which is cheaper at ~18 now.

    Replies: @SFG

    Much as I hate to join the MacDonald brigade it is funny the two Jewish guys are the ones talking about trading options. 😉

    • Replies: @Lot
    @SFG


    the two Jewish guys
     
    I had no idea about Charles Erwin Wilson.

    To be precise, I am an atheist who was baptized and raised Christian with parents who are Ashkenazi on one side and on the other mostly German with a little English and Swedish. My Jewish grandparents were completely secular and celebrated Christmas and Easter. Not at a church, but easter egg hunts and chocolate rabbits. My gentile side also is more fertile so most of my aunts, uncles, and cousins are non-Jewish.

    Replies: @Jack D, @SFG, @Charles Erwin Wilson

  169. @anon930
    So it seems like immigration didn't come up directly again; that's unfortunate. This is the biggest issue by far, and it's getting almost no coverage.

    Replies: @Mr Curious, @Anonymous

    He must be saving it for the last debate. Which worries me, because there won’t be any second chances to get that right. Our Ellis Island media went ape over the Phoenix immigration speech.

    • Agree: anon930
    • Replies: @anon930
    @Anonymous


    Our Ellis Island media went ape
     
    Yeah, they just throw a lot of nostalgia and cliches at anyone who tries to make the case for immigration restrictionism: "this is a nation of immigrants"..."but it says huddled masses on a plaque!"
  170. @Marie
    God-Emperor Trump has triggered the evil witch to the point where she might OD on Ambien and alcohol tonight. This is the greatest thing I've ever seen.

    I bet no one has ever spoken this truthfully or directly to her in her entire adult life.

    Replies: @newrouter, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Lagertha

    agree

  171. Hillary Clinton got knocked the f*&^ OUT! KO’d. Creamed. No two ways about it. Trump did almost everything I was so hoping he’d do. I feel so good right now 🙂

  172. I think Sam Francis is up in heaven right now just watching and smiling.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Marie


    Sam Francis is up in heaven...watching and smiling
     
    Francis' "Middle American Radical" turned out to be a billionaire out of Manhattan.

    Replies: @Perplexed

  173. @FactsAreImportant
    @Hibernian

    Very much did not like the talk about putting Hillary in jail.

    Scary.

    Replies: @newrouter, @TangoMan, @Obamadon_Imbecilis

    >Very much did not like the talk about putting Hillary in jail.

    Scary.<

    so the "ruining class" gets a pass? fu

  174. I was surprised to see a transsexual and Samuel L. Jackson in the audience.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Cryptogenic

    LOL--that guy did look like Samuel L. Jackson. But how about that enormous fat white guy in the blue shirt and tan jacket? He looked about three times as big as anyone else in the room. Yikes!

    Replies: @Cryptogenic

  175. The Big Qs: What will the MSM do this week to strike back? Does the DJT campaign have enough more in reserve to counter whatever dirt or allegations that will be thrown at them now? As much as it seems inconceivable for the campaign to get any more brutal, have we reached peak attack intensity yet?

  176. @WowJustWow
    @David G

    If the RNC has really decided to throw the election by cancelling get-out-the-vote efforts, it might be: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/rnc-halts-all-victory-project-work-for-trump-229363

    Replies: @abner

    There is an absolute best case scenario here where Trump wins even after the GOP stabs him in the back. Instead of dragging the traitors along in the fantasy they’d ever be useful the new civic nationalist republicans can scrape the barnacles off for good.

  177. The Cuck Chorus didn’t fail to disappoint, with AndrewR showing up sounding like a castrati.

  178. @Tiny Duck
    Clinton is going to DESTROY Trump.

    I can't believe some of you morons think that he had a chance.

    People of a color (the future) hate him

    That tells you something right there

    Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Mark Eugenikos, @Unladen Swallow, @Fictitious Email, @Former Darfur, @Tracy

    How’s about enjoying a nice dish of Roasted Crow? I hear Trump will be having the Tiny Duck a l’Orange with a side of mashed Kiss My Ass.

  179. @Tiny Duck
    You guys, it's not the comments that are the problem. It's the admission of sexual assault. There was a woman who said Trump grabbed her like that who was ignored. Yeah he's a vulgar misandric jerk, but the real problem is that he is committing criminal sexual offenses. Those aren't "comments" and it's really baffling to see people referring to it as such.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @German_reader, @Colleen Pater, @Stephen R. Diamond

    its not sexual assault if they like it, hes pretty clear they like it they usually let him. you wouldnt understand its an alpha thing. WOMEN LOVE SEXUAL ASSAULT, what they dont like is tiny beta ducks touching them, even looking at them

    • Replies: @Tracy
    @Colleen Pater

    Whoah, Colleen, I hear you about some folks missing the whole "alpha thing," but I wouldn't spread the idea that "women like sexual assault." Women (most of us anyway) just like being dominated by men they'd consent to have sex with anyway. While I totally disagree with that whole "rape culture" bullcrap (here in the U.S., that is; Sweden's got one going on), rape does happen and I wouldn't want to encourage it. I'm sure you weren't trying to do that or anything, and reading what you wrote sorta makes the same point I am, but it was worded kinda funny, so... thought I'd clarify. (just think about how that truth about female sexuality so clashes with that "enthusiastic consent at every step" stuff they're putting out now. They're totally ruining sex.)

    Speaking of campuses and "rape culture": ever wonder how feminists who believe that lie could even consider sending their daughters to college? WTF? Madness.

    Replies: @Ivy

  180. @Anon
    Where does one move to avoid the multicultural hordes descending upon America? I want my kids to grow up in an America like the one I was born into.

    Replies: @Perspective, @Flip, @John Jeremiah Smith

    Where does one move to avoid the multicultural hordes descending upon America?

    Chile. Usetabe Uruguay, but those days are over.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    "Where does one move to avoid the multicultural hordes descending upon America?"

    Chappaqua

  181. @FactsAreImportant
    @Hibernian

    Very much did not like the talk about putting Hillary in jail.

    Scary.

    Replies: @newrouter, @TangoMan, @Obamadon_Imbecilis

    There’s an NSA contractor who will likely be going to jail for committing lesser crimes than Hillary.

    I understand the principle of not criminalizing your enemies but everyone knows that this does not apply to Hillary who actually committed crimes.

  182. @Percy Gryce
    "Because you'd be in jail." I can't tell if Trump's special prosecutor gambit is a good idea or not. I think we generally move on after elections. Threatening to prosecute the losing side is a dicey move, IMHO.

    Replies: @newrouter, @The Z Blog, @Hibernian, @Difference Maker, @Lot, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    Marquess of Queensberry rules went out during Watergate, at the latest.

  183. @Ivy
    @Dr. X

    Moderators are selected by TPTB using the Down with the Patriarchy filter.

    Replies: @Kylie

    Wonderful!

  184. @Percy Gryce
    @The Z Blog

    I'm sure it's great electioneering. I just worry that when the stakes of losing are jail time, then Hillary's allies, who currently control the federal establishment, might up the ante.

    Replies: @The Z Blog, @Hibernian

    Welcome to Venezuela.

  185. @AndrewR
    Trump won the last question about saying something positive about the other candidate. Hillary's answer was such a copout.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Harry Baldwin, @Marat

    I agree. It looked like Hillary was actually rocked by Trump’s last answer. She must have realized he won that one. It was a gracious compliment and a well-considered one, while hers was “at least he has nice children.” (Up there with Obama’s famous statement about her, “She’s nice enough.”)

    I’m not sure Trump’s going to win over the ladies, but that response impressed even my wife, who doesn’t favor him.

  186. No mistake: I just watched and heard Mr. Trump CRUSH Hillary.

    This time he came very well prepared, he stayed disciplined (his only overstep was his threat of a special prosecutor – but as Scott Adams says, that’s a starting negotiation point, a master persuader at work), he nailed every topic, while Hillary rambled, recited, evaded, dodged at all times on the defensive. And her last answer on the “one thing you admire about your opponent” question she blew by going clear off the topic and prattling on about how great a president she would be – while Mr. Trump’s answer was gentlemanly yet cut Hillary’s jugular: “She’s a fighter . . . I disagree with what she’s fighting for.”

    Enemedia-Pravda will, of course, spin their “analysis” to shill for Hillary. But I feel, and I think, that Mr. Trump really reached a lot of ordinary Americans right where it counts.

    • Agree: Hail
  187. @Marie
    God-Emperor Trump has triggered the evil witch to the point where she might OD on Ambien and alcohol tonight. This is the greatest thing I've ever seen.

    I bet no one has ever spoken this truthfully or directly to her in her entire adult life.

    Replies: @newrouter, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Lagertha

    “I bet no one has ever spoken this truthfully or directly to her in her entire adult life.”

    Oh, so you’re not counting Gennifer Flowers; Juanita Broaddick; et. al?

    • Replies: @Marie
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Never before on a presidential debate stage, live, with the lying propagandists of the MSM forced to cover the whole thing. Evil Hillary has always, always, always been able to count on such fawning and hagiographic media coverage that it makes me want to vomit. I bet she always assumed it would be her vs. a standard neocon cuck like Jeb! - just another weak Republican loser who would never, in a trillion years, have the balls to do what Trump did tonight.

  188. Hillary:

    My vision of America is one where everyone has a place …

    I thought only hierarchical racists talked about people’s “place” in society.

  189. @biz
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Heh, yeah, that is pretty accurate. Also don't forget the heated debates about whether the moon landing is actually a hoax or whether the concept that the moon landing is a hoax was planted by the CIA to discredit "real" conspiracy theories.

    Yet in spite of all of that, I read some things here that are more insightful than anything available in the MSM. That is a sad commentary on the MSM more than anything.

    Replies: @SFG, @John Jeremiah Smith

    Heh, yeah, that is pretty accurate. Also don’t forget the heated debates about whether the moon landing is actually a hoax or whether the concept that the moon landing is a hoax was planted by the CIA to discredit “real” conspiracy theories.

    Har! And anyone knows no Ayrab is tek-nick-el enough to fly a 757.

  190. @Anonymous
    @anon930

    He must be saving it for the last debate. Which worries me, because there won't be any second chances to get that right. Our Ellis Island media went ape over the Phoenix immigration speech.

    Replies: @anon930

    Our Ellis Island media went ape

    Yeah, they just throw a lot of nostalgia and cliches at anyone who tries to make the case for immigration restrictionism: “this is a nation of immigrants”…”but it says huddled masses on a plaque!”

  191. @Celine's Ghost
    I'm from St. Louis and know Washington University well. There is little doubt that 95% of the people in that audience are stongly against Trump.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    When I caught a little of it on the radio there was applause for both sides. The near west suburbs of St. Louis are a small liberal island in a conservative state.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Hibernian

    A lot of the St. Louis Metro area is liberal. STL and KCMO went blue the last two presidential elections, as did Columbia, MO, IIRC.

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @JimL

  192. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. X
    Trump ABSOLUTELY won... but the media talking heads are now trying to downplay it and some of them are even giving Hillary the debate! Crazy.

    Trump did great tonight... the media flacks are trying to spin it otherwise.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Corvinus

    Trump ABSOLUTELY won… but the media talking heads are now trying to downplay it and some of them are even giving Hillary the debate! Crazy.

    Trump was ahead most of the debate. But he hit it out of the park with his last complimentary comment about Hillary. Especially after she went low.

  193. @res
    @Triumph104

    His concluding paragraph is great and very appropriate for this moment:


    Perhaps the inane discussion of Mrs. Clinton's "anti-Semitism" will teach liberals just how dangerous this practice is. But don't count on it. In the meantime, non-liberals must take the high road and defend an icon of liberalism, even if neither she nor her fellow Democrats would defend a non-liberal icon against the same charges.
     
    Speaking of the high road, how can anyone not LOL at Hillary talking about "going high" and such things in the context of all the personal attacks on Trump?

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    LOL at Hillary talking about “going high” and such things in the context of all the personal attacks on Trump

    She’s mastered the Obama technique of saying one thing and then doing exactly the opposite. Obama: “We’ve got to get beyond all this petty, partisan bickering” followed by “the Republicans want to push your grandmother off a cliff.”

    • Agree: res
  194. Donald Trump won this Television Debate despite all the powers that were arrayed against him, including the gay and female “moderators” and the ((Facebook)) questions…etc.

    Will this persuade any “undecided” (read: stupid) voters? You know, those morons who actually pick our presidents? I don’t think so.

    Trump did very well.

    One of my favorite aspects of this “debate” is how Trump had four victims of the Clintons in his audience. Mark my words: he must continue to be this forceful. He and his people (Roger Stone, I’m talking to you) MUST continue this and BURY the Clintons. The Clintons are corrupt, guilty players of IDENTITY POLITICS. They must be destroyed.

  195. @Cryptogenic
    I was surprised to see a transsexual and Samuel L. Jackson in the audience.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    LOL–that guy did look like Samuel L. Jackson. But how about that enormous fat white guy in the blue shirt and tan jacket? He looked about three times as big as anyone else in the room. Yikes!

    • Replies: @Cryptogenic
    @Harry Baldwin

    I thought that was Rob Ford. Also, how about the fly landing on Hillary's face and shirt? That's kind of ominous.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Lagertha

  196. @FactsAreImportant
    @Hibernian

    Very much did not like the talk about putting Hillary in jail.

    Scary.

    Replies: @newrouter, @TangoMan, @Obamadon_Imbecilis

    That was the best part. We need public officials to be regularly impeached, tried, and imprisoned for their crimes. Imprisoning Hillary would be a good start. Heaven forbid the laws of the country actually apply to the powerful.

  197. Trump did well, given the debates are rigged against him. In two instances, I thought Hillary would have a seizure : when Trump mentioned Bill’s rape victims and then Benghazi.
    His prancing and strutting up and down the stage was a bit irritating, but I guess it was a strategy to intimidate Hillary or maybe even trigger a seizure. In any case, she looked diminutive when Trump was standing behind her as she was answering the guests.
    Whenever Trump repeated the phrase: “Hillary’s all talk and no action”, I was hoping for him to say “All talk and no walk”! But that would have been too mean to an invalid, I figure.
    Finally, is it just me, or Hillary looks like she’s lost nearly 40 pounds?

    • Replies: @res
    @BB753


    His prancing and strutting up and down the stage was a bit irritating, but I guess it was a strategy to intimidate Hillary or maybe even trigger a seizure.
     
    There were times when it looked to me like he was trying to work the different camera angles. There was one sequence where they kept switching the view of Hillary (while she was speaking) and each time Trump adjusted his position in the background. Did anyone else think this or have another idea of what he was trying to do?

    Replies: @anonymous, @FX Enderby, @BB753

  198. @Anon7
    Trump comes out swinging! He's doing great.

    So far, the debate "moderators" have been a black man, a black woman, a white woman and a gay man. The media isn't going to wait until Hillary is elected - they're replacing hetero white men right now. Trump is alone in standing up for us, dealing with immigration, attacks on police and las and order, trade, jobs leaving the country, etc.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @anonymous

    So far, the debate “moderators” have been a black man, a black woman, a white woman and a gay man.

    I’m late to this thread, and I understand the University of Washington’s gesture to the Singaporean foreign student who is their student council president.

    Just the same, it was off-putting to see a citizen of a foreign country inserted so directly into our country’s democratic workings at the highest level—a presidential debate.

    I guess it was the open borders elite’s way of thumbing their nose at America.

    Next step, aliens get the vote. In a way, they already have it.

  199. @ATX Hipster
    Bullying is up! It's the Trump Effect!

    The Ferguson Effect? Ridiculous. Makes no sense. Can we get back to talking about how Trump's existence is causing bullying at schools? It must be true, teachers are saying it.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

    Well, murder is a form of bullying!

  200. @Dr. X
    I'm REALLY troubled by all this anti-Russian shit.

    Russia, Russia, Russia... Hitlery is using Russia and Putin as a bogeyman. She acts like she's trying to goad the Russkies into war... be worried about this, very worried.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    I’m REALLY troubled by all this anti-Russian shit.

    Russia, Russia, Russia… Hitlery is using Russia and Putin as a bogeyman. She acts like she’s trying to goad the Russkies into war… be worried about this, very worried.

    I’m with you.

  201. Trump did very well tonight. I think he rallied his base and demonstrated competency tonight. Very bruising debate.

    Strange that Trump disagreed with Pence openly at the debate.

    He was able to keep hitting her hard throughout the night. He had a few incoherent moments, but basically he did well.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Johnnywalker123

    Strange that Trump disagreed with Pence openly at the debate.

    I'm glad he did that. That's the sort of thing that makes me like Trump. BTW, before the debate Megyn Kelly was claiming the GOP are considering dumping Trump and that Pence was going to determine how he was going to proceed after the debate.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Johnnywalker123

    , @J1234
    @Johnnywalker123

    I agree. Trump came across like a fighter in this debate rather than a fish out of water, like in the first debate. I was encouraged. He didn't roll over and play dead like most people caught in a scandal. I should say, however, that I don't think this bus video with Bush was so much a scandal as a puffed up controversy. Just a privately recorded conversation that us guys have all heard hundreds of times in our lives. Had it been recorded last week, it'd be a scandal, but 11 years ago, no way.

    Trump isn't as smooth as Hillary with articulation and delivery, but Hillary's interaction with the audience came across like a Peace Corps worker talking to a bunch of sixth graders from a third world country ("That's a really good question!") Condescending, to say the least.

    Replies: @Johnnywalker123

  202. I don’t know if Hillary wins this, but no one better claim Trump won…talk about a disaster…

    • Replies: @gilgongo
    @Tiny Duck

    Trump won.

  203. https://mobile.twitter.com/artiequitter/status/785302658231984128

    Artie Lange
    Artie Lange – Verified account ‏@artiequitter

    I don’t think the media has an agenda but Trump is the only one on that stage who doesn’t have a husband.
    7:15 PM – 9 Oct 2016

  204. @candid_observer
    So Trump has given a press conference with women who have claimed to have been sexually assaulted by Bill Clinton.

    I guess to me it isn't so obvious that this is a poor tactic.

    Look, negative advertising works. This is why it's used. Negative advertising has now been thrown at Trump in the form of this tape, and Trump's press conference is way of throwing it right back.

    I appreciate that it's typically best if this counterattack is performed by surrogates instead of the candidate. But will such a response really be heard from someone else's mouth, especially given how the Megaphone will never give Trump's side its due?

    In fact, it's simply a remarkable piece of gall that Hillary's supporters -- and, for God's sakes, Hillary herself in a tweet -- should express such disgust over Trump's tape, given how eager they have been to support Bill Clinton in the face of his sexual scandals. They have opened up this entire line of attack, presumably expecting that there would be no one to call them on their hypocrisy. How do they effectively answer him on this point? His case for their hypocrisy is actually quite compelling, and easy to understand for the public. And fighting fire with fire isn't exactly an unpopular thing to do.

    I'm not going to pretend that I know that this will work -- but I don't see why people seem so certain it will backfire. It may seem that not responding to the controversy, or making light of it, would work better, but I don't know why this would be so -- the most likely consequence of doing so is that the issue festers, and indeed is aggravated over time, as Hillary's supporters keep pushing it hard.

    But if Trump has an effective answer, and the women Bill Clinton has abused seem persuasive to the public, then I think that entire line of attack might be greatly diminished in power, and will be so at the earliest possible time, rather than continuing through election day. Better sooner than later.

    It would of course be great if Trump could just focus on the issues -- but nothing could be more obvious than that the next number of newscycles will be consumed with this tape, and/or other similar tapes, because that's what the media wants. But if every such newscycle is answered with Trump making even more prominent the women Bill Clinton has abused, and Hillary has defamed or dismissed, that ploy may be reduced or retired -- which is what seems to have happened to Machado.

    It may be that this won't be enough for Trump to win -- but it can still be the best, most effective thing he could do, under the circumstances.

    Replies: @BB753, @candid_observer, @ben tillman

    So Trump has given a press conference with women who have claimed to have been sexually assaulted by Bill Clinton.

    I guess to me it isn’t so obvious that this is a poor tactic.

    It’s not obvious to me, either, but I’m open to arguments on this point.

  205. When the Machado issue is raised, why isn’t Trump using the opportunity to pivot off Hillary’s sexism talking points and tee up immigration policy and Hillary’s judgment with the unindicted accessory to attempted murder/threatened to kill a judge/drug lord baby mama facts? That would seem to be the strongest response for Trump. Everything else (e.g., sex tape) frames the debate as Trump v. Machado rather than Trump v. Clinton.

  206. “Strange that Trump disagreed with Pence openly at the debate.”

    Can Trump fire him once he’s in the White House?

    • Replies: @Abe
    @BB753


    “Strange that Trump disagreed with Pence openly at the debate.”

    Can Trump fire him once he’s in the White House?
     
    That fact that the media (e.g. CNN which I watched) immediately made this a talking point in their best wow-just-wow manner struck me as a very good sign. A Vice Presidential candidate disagreeing with the guy at the top of his ticket? Yeah, it's a gaffe, looks sloppy, and sends a normal campaign off-message for a couple days. But Trump is the boss here and he's articulating the far more sane policy.

    Reframe technique? Point out that for half a decade at least liberals accused Bush of being Cheney's dumb puppet (there was even the hilarious moment when the Vice Presidential scouting committee Bush tapped Cheney to head came back with, as its unanimous nominee- tada!- Dick Cheney). Trump being his own man, being able to respectfully disagree with his running mate on important issues, and not being at all like the moron who preceded Obama, are all easy softballs for him to hit.

    Replies: @guest

  207. New CNN instant poll of debate watchers.

    The winner is Clinton by a margin of 57 to 34.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Johnnywalker123

    I'm not a poll truther, but even people who don't like Trump in my timeline are saying otherwise.

  208. @Colleen Pater
    @Tiny Duck

    its not sexual assault if they like it, hes pretty clear they like it they usually let him. you wouldnt understand its an alpha thing. WOMEN LOVE SEXUAL ASSAULT, what they dont like is tiny beta ducks touching them, even looking at them

    Replies: @Tracy

    Whoah, Colleen, I hear you about some folks missing the whole “alpha thing,” but I wouldn’t spread the idea that “women like sexual assault.” Women (most of us anyway) just like being dominated by men they’d consent to have sex with anyway. While I totally disagree with that whole “rape culture” bullcrap (here in the U.S., that is; Sweden’s got one going on), rape does happen and I wouldn’t want to encourage it. I’m sure you weren’t trying to do that or anything, and reading what you wrote sorta makes the same point I am, but it was worded kinda funny, so… thought I’d clarify. (just think about how that truth about female sexuality so clashes with that “enthusiastic consent at every step” stuff they’re putting out now. They’re totally ruining sex.)

    Speaking of campuses and “rape culture”: ever wonder how feminists who believe that lie could even consider sending their daughters to college? WTF? Madness.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Tracy

    Re ruining sex and college.
    Their plan is twofold: stop men from having sex, and drive them out of the university. That subjugation is part of their Down with the Patriarchy plan.

  209. @Coemgen
    Hillary still looks stressed when Benghazi is mentioned. There must be loose ends still dangling from her involvement there.

    Replies: @exiled off mainstreet

    One loose end is in Sirte, Libya, where the jihadi thugs sponsored by the harpy in her overthrow of Libya committed a mass murder on Africans Khaddafi had settled there as “mercenaries” when they seized the city. In general, Benghazi really represents the war crime Hillary is guilty of, spearheading the Libya destabilization. After all, even Obama has admitted that this was his greatest error. If Trump wins, perhaps he won’t take Obama’s position that war crimes should be forgotten about as we go forward.

  210. djt made hrc stand alot for the djt win?

  211. @Harry Baldwin
    @Cryptogenic

    LOL--that guy did look like Samuel L. Jackson. But how about that enormous fat white guy in the blue shirt and tan jacket? He looked about three times as big as anyone else in the room. Yikes!

    Replies: @Cryptogenic

    I thought that was Rob Ford. Also, how about the fly landing on Hillary’s face and shirt? That’s kind of ominous.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Cryptogenic

    Yeah, I noticed the fly too. A hint of the satanic, like something in one of those Omen films. If her tongue had flicked out and caught it she might have lost five percent of the women's vote.

    Replies: @Tracy, @inertial

    , @Lagertha
    @Cryptogenic

    so creepy. This is an omen (not a good one, duh) in my country, 'cause it is late in autumn.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Jack D

  212. @Bugg
    @Lagertha

    Problem with this is 4 years of Hillary after 8 years of Obama means game over. Mass immigration dooms the GOP is some of their stronger states, like Texas. Florida, North Carolina and Virginia will be blue forever. The demographics doom any GOP shot in the Electoral College. And SCOTUS; in addition to the Scalia seat. Ginsberg and Breyer figure to retire. Anthony Kennedy is 80, Clarence Thomas is 68. The GOP is still of the mind that we'll get them next time. But there isn't going to be a next time. It will be over.

    Really have no idea what the hell is going to happen tonight.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Lagertha

    Mass immigration dooms the GOP is some of their stronger states, like Texas. Florida, North Carolina and Virginia will be blue forever.

    States need to change their laws to limit suffrage to natural-born citizens.

  213. I was a little startled by Trump telling Hillary, “You’d be in jail,” but I’m not sure it was a bad move. He vividly inserted that thought into viewer’s minds. I think it’s the equivalent of calling Jeb “low energy.” It will stick in people’s minds. Maybe one of Scott Adams’ rhetorical kill shots. Hillary is tremendously corrupt person–Nixon was a little ray of sunshine in comparison.

    I could still hear Trump breathing loudly through his nose so I guess it wasn’t the fault of the microphone after all. (Unless he was set up again.)

    Weird moment was when Trump started going on about his Washington, DC hotel again, and how good his credit is. He just can’t resist talking business.

    Trump let them force him to talk too much about the tape. One apology, no need to repeat it, I would have preferred he respond, “I’ve apologized, let’s go on to substantive matters.”

    The picture of Slick Willie on Drudge was amazing–the look of fear and hate.

    Hillary handles herself well, I have to give her credit. If she weren’t corrupt, didn’t have bad judgment, and didn’t have all the wrong views, she might be a good president.

    • Replies: @Difference Maker
    @Harry Baldwin

    Didn't notice Trump's breathing at all in the first debate, but here it was jarring. Somebody definitely messing with the audio setup

    They did drag the tape out because they are desperate to be partisan. In the end it turned out well for Trump

    He's fending off the Russian ties claims when talking about his business vetted by Uncle Sam. Just because he enjoyed, practically relished talking about his business doesn't mean it wasn't on point.

    Hillary is extremely fake and condescending, not to mention her open lies. Handling well is rare but is not sufficient to be President

  214. However, 39 percent thought HRC outperformed expectations. 61 percent thought Trump overperformed. So that’s the good news.

    • Replies: @Difference Maker
    @Johnnywalker123

    No one watches CNN

  215. @Johnnywalker123
    Trump did very well tonight. I think he rallied his base and demonstrated competency tonight. Very bruising debate.

    Strange that Trump disagreed with Pence openly at the debate.

    He was able to keep hitting her hard throughout the night. He had a few incoherent moments, but basically he did well.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @J1234

    Strange that Trump disagreed with Pence openly at the debate.

    I’m glad he did that. That’s the sort of thing that makes me like Trump. BTW, before the debate Megyn Kelly was claiming the GOP are considering dumping Trump and that Pence was going to determine how he was going to proceed after the debate.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Harry Baldwin

    it's called, in my culture, your dick is in a vice...what do you really believe?

    , @Johnnywalker123
    @Harry Baldwin

    Media are now saying that it is going to be difficult to drop Trump from the ticket. He did well enough that the party can't push him out. So bad news for the Reoublican establishment.

    Replies: @Lagertha

  216. I thoroughly enjoyed watching Trump tell Hillary–to her face–that she’s a lying, dishonest, corrupt, hateful person. That being said, Trump still has a lot of work to do.

  217. If you like Trump, and you liked the debate, Trump won.

    I can guarantee that no Hillary supporters liked the debate.

    However, I also think the debate is largely irrelevant. Everyone knows the score.

    It was good that Bill Clinton was there.

    BTW, Drudge has Trump the winner 90-10.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @SPMoore8

    It was a good night for we few, we happy Deplorables.

    Replies: @Lagertha

  218. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    @Dave Pinsen

    Trump isn't any better than the Ryan/Rubio crowd after that fantastic flip-flop on immigration. He isn't talking about tariffs anymore, either. The best option for this election was relying on President Lyin' Ted to gum up the works for four years.

    Replies: @Fictitious Email, @Colleen Pater, @Opinionator

    I think he has really just stopped playing it up i think he knows we who support him understand he is now going for the independents. I was upset really really upset that week he seemed to flip then he made the arizona speech and was very clear then just never reversed but played it a bit coy simply wouldnt be provoked into saying he would deport them all etc.
    That said the real question is is he even capable of a strong opinion is he or others going to form his policies and if so which other. and what will the cathedral do to stop his policies and how far will he go against the cathedral. think about it if all the cuckservatives are now revealed to be leftist shills they could simply impeach him as soon as he tries to do anything.

    • Replies: @Difference Maker
    @Colleen Pater

    Need subtler minds at work. He has never wavered on his positions. Precisely because the cuckservative and the entire establishment are useless and evil, we need a fighter

  219. @ATX Hipster
    I like that Trump is going after the Bernie Bros

    Replies: @S. anonyia

    It’s what he should have been doing all along, instead of paying lip service to TrueCon talking points. It worked too! My FB feed was full of Bernie bros slamming Clinton and hinting at support for Trump. Hillary’s neo-con nuttery was fully out in the open tonight and it scared them.

  220. @Johnnywalker123
    Trump did very well tonight. I think he rallied his base and demonstrated competency tonight. Very bruising debate.

    Strange that Trump disagreed with Pence openly at the debate.

    He was able to keep hitting her hard throughout the night. He had a few incoherent moments, but basically he did well.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @J1234

    I agree. Trump came across like a fighter in this debate rather than a fish out of water, like in the first debate. I was encouraged. He didn’t roll over and play dead like most people caught in a scandal. I should say, however, that I don’t think this bus video with Bush was so much a scandal as a puffed up controversy. Just a privately recorded conversation that us guys have all heard hundreds of times in our lives. Had it been recorded last week, it’d be a scandal, but 11 years ago, no way.

    Trump isn’t as smooth as Hillary with articulation and delivery, but Hillary’s interaction with the audience came across like a Peace Corps worker talking to a bunch of sixth graders from a third world country (“That’s a really good question!”) Condescending, to say the least.

    • Replies: @Johnnywalker123
    @J1234

    The Politico poll showed that the video lost Trump only 1 point due to the video. So voters seem to agree with you.

  221. You just know Harambe is looking down, smiling on us ……

    In the spin room, Nigel Farrage just compared Trump to a "silverback gorilla." "He dominated her."— Ben Smith (@BuzzFeedBen) October 10, 2016

  222. Anonymous [AKA "American lady"] says:

    Oh my!
    Trump has big balls of titanium steel appropriate for an alpha male.
    I’m a happily married woman of some thirty years and a mother to a wonderful boy in college, so let’s get that out there. Not a groupie like that Trump made for a cameo in a soap opera to a besotted bubble headed actress many years ago where in a private conversation to another man he made a locker room style boastful remarks.
    No sensible person would ever doubt that both men and women say words that someone, somewhere may for some reason, not the least which would be political, might take offence with and then feign “shock, shock I tell you!”
    Trump won the debate in every possible way and I’ll be so proud to call him President Trump this coming new year.
    And happy to see hag Hillary in jail where she belongs!

  223. President Trump! He killed it tonight.

  224. @Marie
    I think Sam Francis is up in heaven right now just watching and smiling.

    Replies: @Hail

    Sam Francis is up in heaven…watching and smiling

    Francis’ “Middle American Radical” turned out to be a billionaire out of Manhattan.

    • Replies: @Perplexed
    @Hail

    A billionaire out of Queens—an outerborough boy. ("Bridge and tunnel," as the snobs say.)

  225. @Hibernian
    @Celine's Ghost

    When I caught a little of it on the radio there was applause for both sides. The near west suburbs of St. Louis are a small liberal island in a conservative state.

    Replies: @Kylie

    A lot of the St. Louis Metro area is liberal. STL and KCMO went blue the last two presidential elections, as did Columbia, MO, IIRC.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @Kylie

    The city maybe, not the county. The City of St. Louis is not in any county: it's a separate entity.

    On the KC side everyone with any money, except hipsters, lives in Jackson County outside KCMO limits-Lee's Summit, Blue Springs, etc-or on the Kansas side (Johnson County).

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @JimL
    @Kylie

    St. Louis County is now about 25% black which caused it to flip from typically voting 55% plus Republican to voting 55% plus for most Democrats. In addition, higher income inner ring suburbs like Clayton and Webster Groves have moved hard to the Democrats--I think Romney may have barely cleared a third of the vote in Clayton and was around 40% in Webster, which I believe voted 2 to 1 for Gerald Ford

  226. They’re so outraged and scared right now, Eric Holder is forced to grit his teeth while pretending that he doesn’t believe all white people are inherently racist in order to furiously Tweet like he’s Thomas Jefferson.

    What a very, very joyous time it is to be alive.

    • LOL: Antonymous
    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Marie

    The first time I saw a photo of Eric Holder, I thought, "That guy barely looks black!". Seems ironic.

  227. @Harry Baldwin
    @Johnnywalker123

    Strange that Trump disagreed with Pence openly at the debate.

    I'm glad he did that. That's the sort of thing that makes me like Trump. BTW, before the debate Megyn Kelly was claiming the GOP are considering dumping Trump and that Pence was going to determine how he was going to proceed after the debate.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Johnnywalker123

    it’s called, in my culture, your dick is in a vice…what do you really believe?

  228. @Bugg
    @Lagertha

    Problem with this is 4 years of Hillary after 8 years of Obama means game over. Mass immigration dooms the GOP is some of their stronger states, like Texas. Florida, North Carolina and Virginia will be blue forever. The demographics doom any GOP shot in the Electoral College. And SCOTUS; in addition to the Scalia seat. Ginsberg and Breyer figure to retire. Anthony Kennedy is 80, Clarence Thomas is 68. The GOP is still of the mind that we'll get them next time. But there isn't going to be a next time. It will be over.

    Really have no idea what the hell is going to happen tonight.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Lagertha

    that’s why you must convince everyone this year, to vote Trump.
    Trump won tonight. Like the crazy bear he is, he just clawed back and won.

  229. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    @Dave Pinsen

    Trump isn't any better than the Ryan/Rubio crowd after that fantastic flip-flop on immigration. He isn't talking about tariffs anymore, either. The best option for this election was relying on President Lyin' Ted to gum up the works for four years.

    Replies: @Fictitious Email, @Colleen Pater, @Opinionator

    What was the flip flop on immigration?

  230. Totally lackluster performance by Clinton, who always tries to coast when she’s ahead. It rises to the level of being a character defect. Trump wins the debate, but he’s not back in the race.

  231. Anonymous [AKA "Wackyleets"] says:

    I didn’t watch it but the media first-drafters all seem agog that T went after H’s hubby the superpredator. Actually they are more of a power-predator couple in fact. FAIK that was about 30 sec of the entire debate but it’s a nice glimpse into the media’s darkest deepest fear. Even pro-T bloggers were saying to steer clear of Bimbo Relitigation, on the theory “it hasn’t worked before.” But judging from the expression on the Big Dog’s face the room suddenly got heavy…

    Kudos to Donald for pointing out she’s rich, rich, RICH! Also glad the emails just won’t go away as our betters had hoped– I picture some midlevel FBI guys partaking of a mild fist-bump at home

  232. Anonymous [AKA "CLEARLY"] says:

    Trump ripped Hillary a new . . . uh, never mind.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    A new roast beef sandwich with extra mayo and melted American cheese?

  233. • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Anonymous

    What did she mean by this?

    Replies: @BB753, @Anonymous, @snorlax

  234. New YouGov poll. Clinton wins 47 to 42.

    The CNN poll is less accurate than YouGov because CNN has a disproportionate share of Democrats in their sample. In CNN’s defense, they include more Democrats because Dems are more likely to be debate watchers. If you want a better sense of how the general public thinks, you need to weight statistically for that – as YouGov did.

    So it appears that this was an even debate.

    • Replies: @Tsar Nicholas
    @Johnnywalker123

    I don't trust yougov at all. The polls are being altered in a way to suggest Hitlery is winning and that will make any voter fraud on the day less obvious.

    Clinton News Network gave it to Hitlery 57-34 if memory serves me - their "instant poll" coming out 100 minutes after the end of the debate.

    Trump turned in an indifferent perfromance in the first debate, but he won this hands down. Hitlery's Parkinson's symptoms were on the edge of manifesting themselves towards the end.

  235. @Dr. X
    @Anonymous

    The entire debate format, which ostensibly places the professional media in the role of (supposedly) unbiased questioner, unbiased fact-checker, candidate police, and umpire is ridiculous.

    Debates would be much, much better if they had teams of partisan questioners, not "moderators" -- i.e. Limbaugh asking partisan questions of Hillary, and in turn, some little punks from Daily Kos or Huffington Post asking partisan questions of Trump. And the candidates would respond to the questioners, not to each other.

    That would be great, and highly informative.

    Replies: @guest

    You still need someone to pose the questions, shut them up, and move things along. Or else it’d be chaos. I don’t see why they can’t get some guy from India, or somewhere, who doesn’t know or care about American politics.

    Actually, I do know why: Republicans are pussies.

  236. “… We’ve had Muslims in America since George Washington.”

    The Muslim Founding Fathers were trying to find Mecca but instead ended up in America. They forced the Native American population to convert to Islam.

  237. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I want to see Trump winning this election as much as anyone but boy, some fans here have no sense of reality. He is a terrible debater and, once again, he failed to bring the most salient points forward.

    Hillary showed that she is not stupid and can follow cue points. That’s enough against Trump. It will be close but sadly, Trump will lose.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous

    "I want to see Trump winning this election as much as anyone but boy, some fans here have no sense of reality. He is a terrible debater and, once again, he failed to bring the most salient points forward."

    Some but not all. I agree that Trump is a poor debater, and in many ways a poor candidate. Then again, the media is stacked against him, even more so than against the typical sort of Republican candidate. Even a good deal of FOX News is against him. And certainly the debate moderators were against him, and (to judge by the cheering) 2/3 - 3/4 of the debate audience.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    , @Difference Maker
    @Anonymous

    Trump crushed Hillary

  238. Apparently, Trump knocked Hillary’s eyes back out of alignment:

  239. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Marie

    "I bet no one has ever spoken this truthfully or directly to her in her entire adult life."

    Oh, so you're not counting Gennifer Flowers; Juanita Broaddick; et. al?

    Replies: @Marie

    Never before on a presidential debate stage, live, with the lying propagandists of the MSM forced to cover the whole thing. Evil Hillary has always, always, always been able to count on such fawning and hagiographic media coverage that it makes me want to vomit. I bet she always assumed it would be her vs. a standard neocon cuck like Jeb! – just another weak Republican loser who would never, in a trillion years, have the balls to do what Trump did tonight.

  240. @Tracy
    @Colleen Pater

    Whoah, Colleen, I hear you about some folks missing the whole "alpha thing," but I wouldn't spread the idea that "women like sexual assault." Women (most of us anyway) just like being dominated by men they'd consent to have sex with anyway. While I totally disagree with that whole "rape culture" bullcrap (here in the U.S., that is; Sweden's got one going on), rape does happen and I wouldn't want to encourage it. I'm sure you weren't trying to do that or anything, and reading what you wrote sorta makes the same point I am, but it was worded kinda funny, so... thought I'd clarify. (just think about how that truth about female sexuality so clashes with that "enthusiastic consent at every step" stuff they're putting out now. They're totally ruining sex.)

    Speaking of campuses and "rape culture": ever wonder how feminists who believe that lie could even consider sending their daughters to college? WTF? Madness.

    Replies: @Ivy

    Re ruining sex and college.
    Their plan is twofold: stop men from having sex, and drive them out of the university. That subjugation is part of their Down with the Patriarchy plan.

  241. @Harry Baldwin
    @Johnnywalker123

    Strange that Trump disagreed with Pence openly at the debate.

    I'm glad he did that. That's the sort of thing that makes me like Trump. BTW, before the debate Megyn Kelly was claiming the GOP are considering dumping Trump and that Pence was going to determine how he was going to proceed after the debate.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Johnnywalker123

    Media are now saying that it is going to be difficult to drop Trump from the ticket. He did well enough that the party can’t push him out. So bad news for the Reoublican establishment.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Johnnywalker123

    Trump is safe. Republicans need to step up or be killed off by Lagertha's constituents who know they have been betrayed. These weakling repubs need to find their balls and look into the eyes of their children, and, and, and, their bank accounts/retirement accounts/ and sketchy pensions they may/may not have, and then, then, then fracking think about what is in their best interest. I still believe that the USA is not going to fall into socialism, but I am very, very scared that Americans are falling into the bolshevik way - which actually mean, the "central control" will control over your money, our livelihood, your future. boom.

  242. New YouGov poll. Clinton wins 47 to 42.

    The same numbers, within 1-2 pts, of this week’s “Who do you plan to vote for?”

    I don’t doubt the real possibility that these numbers are significantly massaged, nearing the worthlessness of communist statistics.

    Trump clearly won the debate.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @Hail

    Not only do I think Trump won, but anyone whose knickers are still in a twist over the 2005 braggadocio have been vividly reminded that when Hillary wins a real sexual predator will once more be roaming the White House.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    , @Johnnywalker123
    @Hail

    Yougov is still far more accurate than the CNN poll.

    The good news is that even the CNN poll showed Trump outperformed expectations massively.

  243. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    Trump's advisors are giving him contradicting advice and the last few days have been spent weathering October Surprise #1 rather than preparing for debate night. I don't think you can blame Trump for this mess either; Mittens was a veteran politician and got awfully unnerved in 2012 after that summer-long smear campaign by Messina & Company. At least we won't have to witness Mr. America First actually passing that promised pseudo-amnesty from his immigration speech. Any reasonable person should have realized his candidacy was too good to be true once that little tidbit came out.

    Replies: @Pseudonymic Handle, @Difference Maker

    “Any reasonable person should have realized his candidacy was too good to be true once that little tidbit came out”

    Any autistic person, you mean

  244. @Anonymous
    Trump ripped Hillary a new . . . uh, never mind.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    A new roast beef sandwich with extra mayo and melted American cheese?

  245. @J1234
    @Johnnywalker123

    I agree. Trump came across like a fighter in this debate rather than a fish out of water, like in the first debate. I was encouraged. He didn't roll over and play dead like most people caught in a scandal. I should say, however, that I don't think this bus video with Bush was so much a scandal as a puffed up controversy. Just a privately recorded conversation that us guys have all heard hundreds of times in our lives. Had it been recorded last week, it'd be a scandal, but 11 years ago, no way.

    Trump isn't as smooth as Hillary with articulation and delivery, but Hillary's interaction with the audience came across like a Peace Corps worker talking to a bunch of sixth graders from a third world country ("That's a really good question!") Condescending, to say the least.

    Replies: @Johnnywalker123

    The Politico poll showed that the video lost Trump only 1 point due to the video. So voters seem to agree with you.

  246. @Hail

    New YouGov poll. Clinton wins 47 to 42.
     
    The same numbers, within 1-2 pts, of this week's "Who do you plan to vote for?"

    I don't doubt the real possibility that these numbers are significantly massaged, nearing the worthlessness of communist statistics.

    Trump clearly won the debate.

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Johnnywalker123

    Not only do I think Trump won, but anyone whose knickers are still in a twist over the 2005 braggadocio have been vividly reminded that when Hillary wins a real sexual predator will once more be roaming the White House.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @SPMoore8

    yeah, we are slaying this! Trump slayed it tonight! Hillary's eyes betrayed the psychopathic whites of her eyes having too much space - this is a feature, btw- of the iris being smaller than the whites of the eye ball. Look it up, not kidding.

  247. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/BryFun1/status/785310574917804032

    Replies: @Opinionator

    What did she mean by this?

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Opinionator

    She's supporting Hillary.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @Anonymous
    @Opinionator

    Apparently she was raised by her mother and doesn't know Donald very well. Between that and the recordings and revelations about Donald that have come out, I'd imagine she'd be a bit uncomfortable with too close of an embrace:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/22/marla-maples-spiritual-healing.html


    Maples is concerned by the lack of security afforded to Tiffany, even though Ivanka, Trump’s eldest daughter, this week received her own Secret Service detail. And she is sensitive to Tiffany’s concern that she comes off as the Jan Brady of the Trump family, the daughter Trump hardly knew until recently, when she was welcomed onto the campaign trail and gifted a Trump apartment on the East side for her graduation from the University of Pennsylvania.
     

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @TangoMan

    , @snorlax
    @Opinionator

    5 possibilities as I see it

    1. She may be pissed about the "pussy" tape, or the Howard Stern ones.
    2. Alternatively, afraid of "Trump molests daughter" headlines.
    3. Mad (justifiably) about how Ivanka is clearly the favorite daughter.
    4. Germophobe, taking after dad.
    5. Occam's Razor: Just didn't notice, even though it looks like she did.

    Replies: @Opinionator

  248. @Anonymous Nephew
    @JimboHarambe

    Trump needs to mention Bill as little as possible (unless it's a quick comeback and leave it at that) and spend as much time as possible on the issues - trade, immigration, crime, middle-east wars, Libya.

    If it's just a question of them bad-mouthing each other's character then the media can be relied upon to spin for Hillary.

    Replies: @Difference Maker

    This was foolish.

  249. @SFG
    @Lagertha

    I'm well aware that women like guys who take the initiative...but guess wrong and you could wind up in jail.

    Not worth it.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    I touched a nerve…aahww – Don’t protect liarss if you are in a position of power. We all need to take the fracking liars down in this country, for God’s sake! My grandfathers marched the communists to the eastern border and told them to keep walking…it was winter, but those were the choices. Death is a choice for true believers…like jihadies.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Lagertha

    Huh? Where did SFG suggest anything about "protecting liars"?

    , @SFG
    @Lagertha

    Um, I was responding to your comment that women fantasize about being secretly grabbed. I'm not arguing for protecting the Clintons or any of their friends.

    My point was that with the rise of 'yes means yes', taking initiative in any romantic endeavor rises considerably in risk if you're not great at reading body language. (Or, in human: us nerds are taking a much bigger risk making any moves than we used to.)

    I'd read up on this 'yes means yes' business, BTW--you say you've got two boys. They're probably smarter than me, but they may be at risk. Even if they are not interested in feminism, feminism is interested in them.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Lagertha

  250. @Hail

    New YouGov poll. Clinton wins 47 to 42.
     
    The same numbers, within 1-2 pts, of this week's "Who do you plan to vote for?"

    I don't doubt the real possibility that these numbers are significantly massaged, nearing the worthlessness of communist statistics.

    Trump clearly won the debate.

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Johnnywalker123

    Yougov is still far more accurate than the CNN poll.

    The good news is that even the CNN poll showed Trump outperformed expectations massively.

  251. @BB753
    @candid_observer

    I agree. There's no such thing as fighting dirty. You either win or lose and the winner gets to tell the story.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    I agree too. Fighting dirty is what the Democrats do, and it has generally worked pretty well for them. I can’t recall the last time a Democratic candidate acted even vaguely honest or principled. Probably Dukakis in 88′. The Democrats are skeevy sleeze merchants. And the Republicans should adopt the same tactics. Never apologize, never concede a point. Just attack. Always attack.

    • Agree: BB753
  252. @Anonymous
    I want to see Trump winning this election as much as anyone but boy, some fans here have no sense of reality. He is a terrible debater and, once again, he failed to bring the most salient points forward.

    Hillary showed that she is not stupid and can follow cue points. That's enough against Trump. It will be close but sadly, Trump will lose.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Difference Maker

    “I want to see Trump winning this election as much as anyone but boy, some fans here have no sense of reality. He is a terrible debater and, once again, he failed to bring the most salient points forward.”

    Some but not all. I agree that Trump is a poor debater, and in many ways a poor candidate. Then again, the media is stacked against him, even more so than against the typical sort of Republican candidate. Even a good deal of FOX News is against him. And certainly the debate moderators were against him, and (to judge by the cheering) 2/3 – 3/4 of the debate audience.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Mr. Anon

    Trump was amazing tonight! He was the clear winner! He brought it to the international crises which is the heart and soul of who I would vote for. He was polite and charming.

  253. @Johnnywalker123
    @Harry Baldwin

    Media are now saying that it is going to be difficult to drop Trump from the ticket. He did well enough that the party can't push him out. So bad news for the Reoublican establishment.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    Trump is safe. Republicans need to step up or be killed off by Lagertha’s constituents who know they have been betrayed. These weakling repubs need to find their balls and look into the eyes of their children, and, and, and, their bank accounts/retirement accounts/ and sketchy pensions they may/may not have, and then, then, then fracking think about what is in their best interest. I still believe that the USA is not going to fall into socialism, but I am very, very scared that Americans are falling into the bolshevik way – which actually mean, the “central control” will control over your money, our livelihood, your future. boom.

  254. @BB753
    Trump did well, given the debates are rigged against him. In two instances, I thought Hillary would have a seizure : when Trump mentioned Bill's rape victims and then Benghazi.
    His prancing and strutting up and down the stage was a bit irritating, but I guess it was a strategy to intimidate Hillary or maybe even trigger a seizure. In any case, she looked diminutive when Trump was standing behind her as she was answering the guests.
    Whenever Trump repeated the phrase: "Hillary's all talk and no action", I was hoping for him to say "All talk and no walk"! But that would have been too mean to an invalid, I figure.
    Finally, is it just me, or Hillary looks like she's lost nearly 40 pounds?

    Replies: @res

    His prancing and strutting up and down the stage was a bit irritating, but I guess it was a strategy to intimidate Hillary or maybe even trigger a seizure.

    There were times when it looked to me like he was trying to work the different camera angles. There was one sequence where they kept switching the view of Hillary (while she was speaking) and each time Trump adjusted his position in the background. Did anyone else think this or have another idea of what he was trying to do?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @res

    Somebody on another forum commented that he was trying to get the camera situated so it was clear to see that Hillary is wearing an earpiece.

    I didn't see the debate, so I'm not sure if there is anything to this.

    , @FX Enderby
    @res

    He stood behind her or next to her to emphasize the height difference. He towers over her and this makes viewers subconsciously see him as more powerful and presidential. TV gravitas.

    , @BB753
    @res

    Yes, he was also trying to get a better camera angle to tower over Hillary. Very smart.
    If I was on the Trump team I'd try to find out a way to exploit Hillary's neurological issues. There must be surefire ways to make her suffer a seizure or make her freeze by putting extreme stress on her during debating.

  255. @Percy Gryce
    "Because you'd be in jail." I can't tell if Trump's special prosecutor gambit is a good idea or not. I think we generally move on after elections. Threatening to prosecute the losing side is a dicey move, IMHO.

    Replies: @newrouter, @The Z Blog, @Hibernian, @Difference Maker, @Lot, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    This is about reminding the public of the magnitude of her crimes

    • Replies: @jon
    @Difference Maker


    This is about reminding the public of the magnitude of her crimes
     
    Agreed. He's not constantly harping on it at his rallies or posting it on his website as some kind of campaign promise. It was just a memorable line in the debate that emphasized how corrupt she really is.
  256. @Opinionator
    @Anonymous

    What did she mean by this?

    Replies: @BB753, @Anonymous, @snorlax

    She’s supporting Hillary.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @BB753

    Really?

  257. @Lot
    After the "undecided" black teacher we get an "undecided" chubby Muslim woman.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon

    “After the “undecided” black teacher we get an “undecided” chubby Muslim woman.”

    Yeah. I snorted when they said that the questions were to be provided by (Gallup selected) “undecided voters”. How do we know they’re really undecided? What a crock. Like you, I seriously doubt that those two examples you mentioned are really “undecided”.

  258. @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous

    "I want to see Trump winning this election as much as anyone but boy, some fans here have no sense of reality. He is a terrible debater and, once again, he failed to bring the most salient points forward."

    Some but not all. I agree that Trump is a poor debater, and in many ways a poor candidate. Then again, the media is stacked against him, even more so than against the typical sort of Republican candidate. Even a good deal of FOX News is against him. And certainly the debate moderators were against him, and (to judge by the cheering) 2/3 - 3/4 of the debate audience.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    Trump was amazing tonight! He was the clear winner! He brought it to the international crises which is the heart and soul of who I would vote for. He was polite and charming.

  259. @Anon7
    Trump comes out swinging! He's doing great.

    So far, the debate "moderators" have been a black man, a black woman, a white woman and a gay man. The media isn't going to wait until Hillary is elected - they're replacing hetero white men right now. Trump is alone in standing up for us, dealing with immigration, attacks on police and las and order, trade, jobs leaving the country, etc.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @anonymous

    Don’t worry, the next moderator is Chris Wallace

  260. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Opinionator
    @Anonymous

    What did she mean by this?

    Replies: @BB753, @Anonymous, @snorlax

    Apparently she was raised by her mother and doesn’t know Donald very well. Between that and the recordings and revelations about Donald that have come out, I’d imagine she’d be a bit uncomfortable with too close of an embrace:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/22/marla-maples-spiritual-healing.html

    Maples is concerned by the lack of security afforded to Tiffany, even though Ivanka, Trump’s eldest daughter, this week received her own Secret Service detail. And she is sensitive to Tiffany’s concern that she comes off as the Jan Brady of the Trump family, the daughter Trump hardly knew until recently, when she was welcomed onto the campaign trail and gifted a Trump apartment on the East side for her graduation from the University of Pennsylvania.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Anonymous


    ...the Jan Brady of the Trump family, the daughter Trump hardly knew until recently, when she was welcomed onto the campaign trail and gifted a Trump apartment on the East side for her graduation...
     
    Gee, I really feel sorry for poor Tiffany (what a Godawful stupid name!). The privileged daughter of a ridiculous, reluctant marriage between a playboy and the strumpet who trapped him via pregnancy, she has everything she ever needs. The least she could do is stay out of the limelight while the adults take care of important things.

    Is it any wonder she is the trashiest-looking Trump?

    , @TangoMan
    @Anonymous

    Trump was making to shake someone's hand, not to give his daughter a peck.

  261. @Opinionator
    @Anonymous

    What did she mean by this?

    Replies: @BB753, @Anonymous, @snorlax

    5 possibilities as I see it

    1. She may be pissed about the “pussy” tape, or the Howard Stern ones.
    2. Alternatively, afraid of “Trump molests daughter” headlines.
    3. Mad (justifiably) about how Ivanka is clearly the favorite daughter.
    4. Germophobe, taking after dad.
    5. Occam’s Razor: Just didn’t notice, even though it looks like she did.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @snorlax

    6. Trump had a lot of tv makeup on that would have smeared onto her.

    7. Trump has the sniffles and could have given her a cold.

  262. @Harry Baldwin
    I was a little startled by Trump telling Hillary, "You'd be in jail," but I'm not sure it was a bad move. He vividly inserted that thought into viewer's minds. I think it's the equivalent of calling Jeb "low energy." It will stick in people's minds. Maybe one of Scott Adams' rhetorical kill shots. Hillary is tremendously corrupt person--Nixon was a little ray of sunshine in comparison.

    I could still hear Trump breathing loudly through his nose so I guess it wasn't the fault of the microphone after all. (Unless he was set up again.)

    Weird moment was when Trump started going on about his Washington, DC hotel again, and how good his credit is. He just can't resist talking business.

    Trump let them force him to talk too much about the tape. One apology, no need to repeat it, I would have preferred he respond, "I've apologized, let's go on to substantive matters."

    The picture of Slick Willie on Drudge was amazing--the look of fear and hate.

    Hillary handles herself well, I have to give her credit. If she weren't corrupt, didn't have bad judgment, and didn't have all the wrong views, she might be a good president.

    Replies: @Difference Maker

    Didn’t notice Trump’s breathing at all in the first debate, but here it was jarring. Somebody definitely messing with the audio setup

    They did drag the tape out because they are desperate to be partisan. In the end it turned out well for Trump

    He’s fending off the Russian ties claims when talking about his business vetted by Uncle Sam. Just because he enjoyed, practically relished talking about his business doesn’t mean it wasn’t on point.

    Hillary is extremely fake and condescending, not to mention her open lies. Handling well is rare but is not sufficient to be President

  263. @SPMoore8
    @Hail

    Not only do I think Trump won, but anyone whose knickers are still in a twist over the 2005 braggadocio have been vividly reminded that when Hillary wins a real sexual predator will once more be roaming the White House.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    yeah, we are slaying this! Trump slayed it tonight! Hillary’s eyes betrayed the psychopathic whites of her eyes having too much space – this is a feature, btw- of the iris being smaller than the whites of the eye ball. Look it up, not kidding.

  264. @The Z Blog
    @Percy Gryce

    Not quarter given in politics. The GOP has been groveling for decades hoping for mercy. They never get it. Trump, to his credit, seems to be figuring that out and is now unleashing his full arsenal.

    My guess is the release of that tape pissed him off. Probably a bad move by Team Clinton.

    Replies: @Bugg, @Mr. Anon

    “My guess is the release of that tape pissed him off. Probably a bad move by Team Clinton.”

    Did Team Clinton release the tape? Or did Team Bush? As far as I know, none of the Bush clan have said they will vote for Trump. Many have said they will vote against him. And after all, the guy Trump was talking to on that tape, Billy Bush, is Jeb’s first cousin.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @Mr. Anon


    As far as I know, none of the Bush clan have said they will vote for Trump.
     
    IIRC, George P (Jeb's son) did, although he may have unendorsed, I dunno.
  265. Professional politicians don’t take things personally and they don’t have convictions. What scares the political class is that Trump takes things personally and he has convictions. They’re not used to people like that.

  266. @Johnnywalker123
    However, 39 percent thought HRC outperformed expectations. 61 percent thought Trump overperformed. So that's the good news.

    Replies: @Difference Maker

    No one watches CNN

  267. @res
    @BB753


    His prancing and strutting up and down the stage was a bit irritating, but I guess it was a strategy to intimidate Hillary or maybe even trigger a seizure.
     
    There were times when it looked to me like he was trying to work the different camera angles. There was one sequence where they kept switching the view of Hillary (while she was speaking) and each time Trump adjusted his position in the background. Did anyone else think this or have another idea of what he was trying to do?

    Replies: @anonymous, @FX Enderby, @BB753

    Somebody on another forum commented that he was trying to get the camera situated so it was clear to see that Hillary is wearing an earpiece.

    I didn’t see the debate, so I’m not sure if there is anything to this.

  268. Anonymous [AKA "Col. Kurtz"] says:

    I thought I caught a little micro-smile by Hillary when Trump said he did not actually assault any women. I’m guessing the Dems already have an alleged victim lined up who will say he did.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    "I thought I caught a little micro-smile by Hillary when Trump said he did not actually assault any women. I’m guessing the Dems already have an alleged victim lined up who will say he did."

    That sounds pretty plausible.

    Replies: @jon, @candid_observer

    , @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous


    I thought I caught a little micro-smile by Hillary when Trump said he did not actually assault any women. I’m guessing the Dems already have an alleged victim lined up who will say he did.
     
    I'm with Steve. Very likely. The thing is this sort of stuff is basically impossible to disprove. They just make the accusation. It's fundamentally the issue about why these date rape cases are very difficult and indeed are different than say prosecuting assault. Feminists yap that's it's some kind of conspiracy against women, but it's fundamentally because the underlying act--sex-- is something that people voluntarily engage in, unlike say getting killed or the crap beaten outta you or your house being robbed.

    Trump is going to have to handle this carefully and firmly.
    --> It's nonsense.
    --> If it wasn't nonsense the Clinton camp could have rolled it out months ago. They didn't because they don't want to any sort of full investigation. They want everyone to accept this allegation that they've ginned up as the full story.
    --> It didn't happen, it's absolute nonsense and typical of the lies and dishonesty you get from the Clintons.
    --> Let's talk about what really matters in this campaign:
    -- Hillary has contempt for average Americans and will put the interests of her Wall Street backers who have made her rich first.
    -- I love Americans and i'll work to put Americans and their interests as Americans first.
  269. @Colleen Pater
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    I think he has really just stopped playing it up i think he knows we who support him understand he is now going for the independents. I was upset really really upset that week he seemed to flip then he made the arizona speech and was very clear then just never reversed but played it a bit coy simply wouldnt be provoked into saying he would deport them all etc.
    That said the real question is is he even capable of a strong opinion is he or others going to form his policies and if so which other. and what will the cathedral do to stop his policies and how far will he go against the cathedral. think about it if all the cuckservatives are now revealed to be leftist shills they could simply impeach him as soon as he tries to do anything.

    Replies: @Difference Maker

    Need subtler minds at work. He has never wavered on his positions. Precisely because the cuckservative and the entire establishment are useless and evil, we need a fighter

  270. @Anonymous
    I want to see Trump winning this election as much as anyone but boy, some fans here have no sense of reality. He is a terrible debater and, once again, he failed to bring the most salient points forward.

    Hillary showed that she is not stupid and can follow cue points. That's enough against Trump. It will be close but sadly, Trump will lose.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Difference Maker

    Trump crushed Hillary

  271. @Cryptogenic
    @Harry Baldwin

    I thought that was Rob Ford. Also, how about the fly landing on Hillary's face and shirt? That's kind of ominous.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Lagertha

    Yeah, I noticed the fly too. A hint of the satanic, like something in one of those Omen films. If her tongue had flicked out and caught it she might have lost five percent of the women’s vote.

    • Replies: @Tracy
    @Harry Baldwin

    Or she might have gained 5% more of the women's votes. Women hate flies.

    Seriously, the way my sex thinks is embarrassing as Hell. It sucks getting lumped in with them. I know some great, honorable, really intelligent women, and a few truly brilliant women, but women in general -- too stupid to be rightfully allowed to vote. Sometimes I go to sites like Jezebel just to freak myself out about just how ridiculous women are. It's entertaining in the same way watching a so-bad-it's-good movie like "The Room" is. Or maybe entertaining in the same way a train wreck is. I'm totally fascinated by them.

    It's not as if I'm not girly in my own way, either. I like looking at bride's dresses, love flowers, dig babies, enjoy the occasional round of "girl talk" and all that like most other chicks do. But when talk leaves the arena of that sort of "girly stuff" and gets into the realm of ideas -- politics, religion, social issues, etc. -- I am just blown away by the idiocy. Most guys aren't that bright either, as far as that goes, but even the less bright ones seem able to be a lot more bjective when they need to be, are more able to get past the emotional (which I don't downplay at all) when they need to and not let it affect them inordinately.

    To me, it's a wonder why there isn't an epidemic of male on female domestic violence. Women are the most ungrateful creatures on earth. They have no respect for men. None. As Camille Paglia said, we'd be living in grass huts if it weren't for men, but women act toward men as if they are completely unaware of that fact. They're selfish and have no concept of things like duty and honor. Religion used to give them all that, but it's been stripped away, and that, coupled with modern feminism, has turned women into overgrown, selfish babies who haven't outgrown the "I'm the center of the universe" stage of development.

    I soooo wish I knew more sane women who'd come over to my house and hang, drink, talk about real stuff -- interesting stuff, and whatever. And look at bride's dresses. Sigh.

    Sorry for the rant. Totally OT, I know, but it's late.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @inertial
    @Harry Baldwin

    Nothing satanic, but you know what substance flies are attracted to. For the next debate, Pentagon should declare Hillary's face a no-fly zone.

  272. CNN Accidentally shown coaching their ‘uncommitted voter panel’ what to say.

    At 00.5 ….You hear the lady whisper the comment and the black lady repeats it.

    • Replies: @jon
    @Anonymous


    CNN Accidentally shown coaching their ‘uncommitted voter panel’ what to say.
     
    Yeah, someone posted a tweet from O'Reilly that included that clip. Hopefully it blows up tonight and tomorrow.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  273. Tonight’s comedy gold: the massive triggering of every single NYT editorialist. Go there and just laugh – the entire board collectively wets their pants as they search for America’s Non-Sexist Safe Space:

    “Have you, as a woman, faced treatment like Donald Trump describes? Have you, as a man, talked the way Donald Trump did, or listened to men talking that way?”

    Top commenter: “Have I? That’s like asking have I ever breathed air” (lol)

  274. good night everybody! I am very happy tonight. It seems that more and more people are waking up – (woke? wtf?) – tonight. I am so happy, as an immigrant, that people are waking up to the reality of what family means. I will leave my sons with every belief that they will be better than me. It is always about your family, always.

  275. @res
    @BB753


    His prancing and strutting up and down the stage was a bit irritating, but I guess it was a strategy to intimidate Hillary or maybe even trigger a seizure.
     
    There were times when it looked to me like he was trying to work the different camera angles. There was one sequence where they kept switching the view of Hillary (while she was speaking) and each time Trump adjusted his position in the background. Did anyone else think this or have another idea of what he was trying to do?

    Replies: @anonymous, @FX Enderby, @BB753

    He stood behind her or next to her to emphasize the height difference. He towers over her and this makes viewers subconsciously see him as more powerful and presidential. TV gravitas.

  276. @Steve Sailer
    @Jokah Macpherson

    She brought up Alicia with 3 minutes to go.

    Replies: @Abe

    She brought up Alicia with 3 minutes to go.

    Did you read CNN’s account of the making of the p-grab bombshell? NBC was ready to run with it TOMORROW morning, but sleazy ACCESS HOLLYWOOD somehow got itself into the position of scooping them so it came out early. Meaning, the “I’m With Her” campaign had once again colluded with the media for Hillary to drop a bomb durning the final seconds of the debate which the media would then dutifully run with for the next two weeks, all from prearranged jumping-off points, but the sleaze merchants messed all of it up for them by, you know, running their business like an actual business whose business it is to grab the most eyeballs first with the most lurid, sensational trash. Since Hollyweird has loved telling us since forever how outsiders, low-lifes, criminals, traitors. and other various forms of scum-receptacletude are really still more moral, if you think about it right, than Mr. Uptight Whitebread Suburban Bourgeois Patriarchal Authority Figure, I guess this development, which probably saved the Trump campaign, has some poetic justice.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Abe

    Link?

    Replies: @jon

  277. @Anonymous
    I thought I caught a little micro-smile by Hillary when Trump said he did not actually assault any women. I'm guessing the Dems already have an alleged victim lined up who will say he did.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad

    “I thought I caught a little micro-smile by Hillary when Trump said he did not actually assault any women. I’m guessing the Dems already have an alleged victim lined up who will say he did.”

    That sounds pretty plausible.

    • Replies: @jon
    @Steve Sailer



    “I thought I caught a little micro-smile by Hillary when Trump said he did not actually assault any women. I’m guessing the Dems already have an alleged victim lined up who will say he did.”
     
    That sounds pretty plausible.
     
    I noticed that Cooper seemed a little too eager to press for a yes or no from Trump, and Trump seemed to sense that, being even more evasive than usual. But he did ultimately make a flat denial -- we'll see.
    , @candid_observer
    @Steve Sailer

    Well, Kristof already had come up with a name, though even by the details he himself provided, it looks to be a very lame case indeed:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/09/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-groper-in-chief.html?_r=0

    Of course, she didn't report the supposed assault to the police, because of women's reasons. And she dated him after the supposed assault, because of women's reasons. All the trauma, you know, she got real confused.

    My own guess is that if they're going to come up with a name, the woman had better have some very convincing reason she is only now registering the complaint, otherwise it will rightly look awfully weak to normal people.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  278. @John Jeremiah Smith
    @Anon


    Where does one move to avoid the multicultural hordes descending upon America?
     
    Chile. Usetabe Uruguay, but those days are over.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “Where does one move to avoid the multicultural hordes descending upon America?”

    Chappaqua

    • LOL: TomSchmidt
  279. @Lagertha
    @Anonymous

    Milo will tear him to pieces. Plus, Anderson still cares about fairness. It will be interesting to see if he actually has any integrity. I had liked many announcers on the major networks in the past; now, I hate them all. I miss Greta. Hannity makes me feel less depressed, but he is literally, the only one. Everyone else is so fail....so obvious in the tank. It's Pravda.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Wade

    Lou Dobbs has been great over the years. Not quite unz.com material but as close as you’ll come on mainstream TV.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Wade

    Lou Dobbs was great when I was home with my babies, long ago, in the late 90's - I miss him, as does my mother, and mother-in-law; Greatest Gen and Euros. During the 9/11 years, he went into attacking PC when no one was attacking PCness. His ideas were a prototype for a candidate like Trump and others. At that point, (9/11) I was an exhausted mom with 3 boys born within 4 years, with my husband traveling/working 1/3 per/year. But we are all good, today! 25 years of good!

    However. Trump came along with his smash-mouth tonight, which is everything I have wanted. Which means, I don't care about his past. Everyone has a past. Lou Dobbs lead me, more than 20 years ago, to realize that there are multiple voices in media.

  280. Just retweeted by Joyce Carol Oates:

    “Note to my male friends who might not realize: Trump’s standing behind her is a bullying tactic. Abusive men do this to us all the time.”

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @Marie

    Joyce Carol Oates is the abusive bullying woman who portrayed a woman unable to defend herself (because dead) as a total whore, slut and idiot:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_ze5z5I1ao

    There were disclaimers, but it was still character assassination.

    , @guest
    @Marie

    Another note: standing in front of women is a bullying tactic employed by abusive men. Abusive men stand beside women, as well. Basically, being a man within or without the vicinity of females is an abusive tactic.

    The more you know.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Marie

    , @Vendetta
    @Marie

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEuU64Zt4B0

    , @Kylie
    @Marie

    Joyce Carol Oates retweets: “Note to my male friends who might not realize: Trump’s standing behind her is a bullying tactic. Abusive men do this to us all the time.”

    As broad-beamed as Hillary is, Trump was probably just using her as a human shield.

  281. @Abe
    @Steve Sailer


    She brought up Alicia with 3 minutes to go.
     
    Did you read CNN's account of the making of the p-grab bombshell? NBC was ready to run with it TOMORROW morning, but sleazy ACCESS HOLLYWOOD somehow got itself into the position of scooping them so it came out early. Meaning, the "I'm With Her" campaign had once again colluded with the media for Hillary to drop a bomb durning the final seconds of the debate which the media would then dutifully run with for the next two weeks, all from prearranged jumping-off points, but the sleaze merchants messed all of it up for them by, you know, running their business like an actual business whose business it is to grab the most eyeballs first with the most lurid, sensational trash. Since Hollyweird has loved telling us since forever how outsiders, low-lifes, criminals, traitors. and other various forms of scum-receptacletude are really still more moral, if you think about it right, than Mr. Uptight Whitebread Suburban Bourgeois Patriarchal Authority Figure, I guess this development, which probably saved the Trump campaign, has some poetic justice.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Link?

    • Replies: @jon
    @Steve Sailer


    Link?
     
    This gives some of the background details:

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/07/media/access-hollywood-donald-trump-tape/index.html

    They were planning to run a story on Monday (probably waiting for Hillary to drop the issue in the debate, but they obviously don't mention that). Someone at NBC, though, tipped of Farenthold at the Post, and contacted NBC and let them know that he was running the story that same day.

    Replies: @Abe

  282. @Anonymous
    @Opinionator

    Apparently she was raised by her mother and doesn't know Donald very well. Between that and the recordings and revelations about Donald that have come out, I'd imagine she'd be a bit uncomfortable with too close of an embrace:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/22/marla-maples-spiritual-healing.html


    Maples is concerned by the lack of security afforded to Tiffany, even though Ivanka, Trump’s eldest daughter, this week received her own Secret Service detail. And she is sensitive to Tiffany’s concern that she comes off as the Jan Brady of the Trump family, the daughter Trump hardly knew until recently, when she was welcomed onto the campaign trail and gifted a Trump apartment on the East side for her graduation from the University of Pennsylvania.
     

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @TangoMan

    …the Jan Brady of the Trump family, the daughter Trump hardly knew until recently, when she was welcomed onto the campaign trail and gifted a Trump apartment on the East side for her graduation…

    Gee, I really feel sorry for poor Tiffany (what a Godawful stupid name!). The privileged daughter of a ridiculous, reluctant marriage between a playboy and the strumpet who trapped him via pregnancy, she has everything she ever needs. The least she could do is stay out of the limelight while the adults take care of important things.

    Is it any wonder she is the trashiest-looking Trump?

  283. Why he hasn’t mentioned Hillary’s defense of child rapist? I mean the fact that she for all purposes admitted she knew he was guilty, but laughed that she was able to destroy the evidence?

    I know this was like 40-50 years ago, but people’s characters do not change that much, do they?

    • Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    @szopen

    He did. Hillary's client's victim was there.

    , @CJ
    @szopen

    Yes,he did - Fred's right. He used her name.

  284. @Anonymous
    @Opinionator

    Apparently she was raised by her mother and doesn't know Donald very well. Between that and the recordings and revelations about Donald that have come out, I'd imagine she'd be a bit uncomfortable with too close of an embrace:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/22/marla-maples-spiritual-healing.html


    Maples is concerned by the lack of security afforded to Tiffany, even though Ivanka, Trump’s eldest daughter, this week received her own Secret Service detail. And she is sensitive to Tiffany’s concern that she comes off as the Jan Brady of the Trump family, the daughter Trump hardly knew until recently, when she was welcomed onto the campaign trail and gifted a Trump apartment on the East side for her graduation from the University of Pennsylvania.
     

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @TangoMan

    Trump was making to shake someone’s hand, not to give his daughter a peck.

  285. @Steve Sailer
    @Abe

    Link?

    Replies: @jon

    Link?

    This gives some of the background details:

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/07/media/access-hollywood-donald-trump-tape/index.html

    They were planning to run a story on Monday (probably waiting for Hillary to drop the issue in the debate, but they obviously don’t mention that). Someone at NBC, though, tipped of Farenthold at the Post, and contacted NBC and let them know that he was running the story that same day.

    • Agree: Abe
    • Replies: @Abe
    @jon

    Thanks, this is the story I was referring to. Sorry for mixing up the details of who leaked it early- I have not followed the JOURNO-list details of this that closely, so I guess ACCESS HOLLYWOOD is the one that originally recorded it and WAPO is the one who leaked it early. But was certainly right about NBC having it canned and ready-to-go after the debate, with Hillary obviously primed tonight to give the Fuhrer Directive to start running with it until WAPO spoiled their fun.

    I'm sure they even had/have a 3-for-3 strategy lined up of Clinton name-dropping some different scandal at the end of each debate for the media to run with. Given that pig's hubris I wouldn't doubt a catchy name for it had been devised, the galleys complete for a campaign biography detailing how it all went down, drafts for the more serious academic monograph detailing how this strategy is to be executed by one Prof. Dickweed (deriguer reading in every graduate poly-sci program from now till the Sun explodes), and Robert Altman lined up to make the film- TRUMP'S WOMEN.

  286. @Kylie
    @Hibernian

    A lot of the St. Louis Metro area is liberal. STL and KCMO went blue the last two presidential elections, as did Columbia, MO, IIRC.

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @JimL

    The city maybe, not the county. The City of St. Louis is not in any county: it’s a separate entity.

    On the KC side everyone with any money, except hipsters, lives in Jackson County outside KCMO limits-Lee’s Summit, Blue Springs, etc-or on the Kansas side (Johnson County).

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Former Darfur

    "The City of St. Louis is not in any county: it’s a separate entity."

    I know that. I said the St. Louis Metro area and that's what I meant.

    Just two examples: The fact that Kirkwood combined with Meacham Park, the fact that my old high school in Ballwin has 22% non-whites even though Ballwin is over 90% white makes them liberal in my eyes.

    Much of St. Louis County is way too the left of what it was when I left there in 1989.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

  287. @Former Darfur
    @BenKenobi

    “Disbarred Lawyers and Angry Russians” would make for a good album title, but for what band?

    Replies: @BenKenobi

    I dunno, something Alt-Right/Rock/Prog

  288. @Harry Baldwin
    @Cryptogenic

    Yeah, I noticed the fly too. A hint of the satanic, like something in one of those Omen films. If her tongue had flicked out and caught it she might have lost five percent of the women's vote.

    Replies: @Tracy, @inertial

    Or she might have gained 5% more of the women’s votes. Women hate flies.

    Seriously, the way my sex thinks is embarrassing as Hell. It sucks getting lumped in with them. I know some great, honorable, really intelligent women, and a few truly brilliant women, but women in general — too stupid to be rightfully allowed to vote. Sometimes I go to sites like Jezebel just to freak myself out about just how ridiculous women are. It’s entertaining in the same way watching a so-bad-it’s-good movie like “The Room” is. Or maybe entertaining in the same way a train wreck is. I’m totally fascinated by them.

    It’s not as if I’m not girly in my own way, either. I like looking at bride’s dresses, love flowers, dig babies, enjoy the occasional round of “girl talk” and all that like most other chicks do. But when talk leaves the arena of that sort of “girly stuff” and gets into the realm of ideas — politics, religion, social issues, etc. — I am just blown away by the idiocy. Most guys aren’t that bright either, as far as that goes, but even the less bright ones seem able to be a lot more bjective when they need to be, are more able to get past the emotional (which I don’t downplay at all) when they need to and not let it affect them inordinately.

    To me, it’s a wonder why there isn’t an epidemic of male on female domestic violence. Women are the most ungrateful creatures on earth. They have no respect for men. None. As Camille Paglia said, we’d be living in grass huts if it weren’t for men, but women act toward men as if they are completely unaware of that fact. They’re selfish and have no concept of things like duty and honor. Religion used to give them all that, but it’s been stripped away, and that, coupled with modern feminism, has turned women into overgrown, selfish babies who haven’t outgrown the “I’m the center of the universe” stage of development.

    I soooo wish I knew more sane women who’d come over to my house and hang, drink, talk about real stuff — interesting stuff, and whatever. And look at bride’s dresses. Sigh.

    Sorry for the rant. Totally OT, I know, but it’s late.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Tracy

    Yeah, yeah, Jezebel sucks. Wonderfully observant. While the comments at, say, neogaf or Deadspin are just dripping with objectivity and rationality. Not at all brimming with brainwashed morons desperately seeking to affirm their goodwhite status and weepily crawl up any "PoC" rectum they can find. At all! Nothing ridiculous or idiotic in all-male spaces! Nope!

    Yes, women are less likely to challenge the status quo. But some of you folks are hilariously delusional when it comes to the modern American man.

  289. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    "I thought I caught a little micro-smile by Hillary when Trump said he did not actually assault any women. I’m guessing the Dems already have an alleged victim lined up who will say he did."

    That sounds pretty plausible.

    Replies: @jon, @candid_observer

    “I thought I caught a little micro-smile by Hillary when Trump said he did not actually assault any women. I’m guessing the Dems already have an alleged victim lined up who will say he did.”

    That sounds pretty plausible.

    I noticed that Cooper seemed a little too eager to press for a yes or no from Trump, and Trump seemed to sense that, being even more evasive than usual. But he did ultimately make a flat denial — we’ll see.

  290. @Marie
    Just retweeted by Joyce Carol Oates:

    "Note to my male friends who might not realize: Trump's standing behind her is a bullying tactic. Abusive men do this to us all the time."

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @guest, @Vendetta, @Kylie

    Joyce Carol Oates is the abusive bullying woman who portrayed a woman unable to defend herself (because dead) as a total whore, slut and idiot:

    There were disclaimers, but it was still character assassination.

  291. @Wade
    @Lagertha

    Lou Dobbs has been great over the years. Not quite unz.com material but as close as you'll come on mainstream TV.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    Lou Dobbs was great when I was home with my babies, long ago, in the late 90’s – I miss him, as does my mother, and mother-in-law; Greatest Gen and Euros. During the 9/11 years, he went into attacking PC when no one was attacking PCness. His ideas were a prototype for a candidate like Trump and others. At that point, (9/11) I was an exhausted mom with 3 boys born within 4 years, with my husband traveling/working 1/3 per/year. But we are all good, today! 25 years of good!

    However. Trump came along with his smash-mouth tonight, which is everything I have wanted. Which means, I don’t care about his past. Everyone has a past. Lou Dobbs lead me, more than 20 years ago, to realize that there are multiple voices in media.

  292. Tiny duck, stop trolling Sailer threads. We know Trump won that debate by how crestfallen all the liberal CNN analysts were post debate.

  293. @Anonymous
    CNN Accidentally shown coaching their 'uncommitted voter panel' what to say.

    At 00.5 ….You hear the lady whisper the comment and the black lady repeats it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqCIub3SmCI

    Replies: @jon

    CNN Accidentally shown coaching their ‘uncommitted voter panel’ what to say.

    Yeah, someone posted a tweet from O’Reilly that included that clip. Hopefully it blows up tonight and tomorrow.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @jon

    But what exactly is going on in the clip where somebody whispers Hillary's line about America is great because America is good.

    Replies: @jon

  294. Trump was much, much better but man is he a *frustrating* guy to have as your champion

    –> Hillary’s private remarks.
    Swing from his private remarks–which are Trumpian braggadocio fundamentally about nothing consequential to Americans–to her private remarks about her dream of open borders.

    –> Vetting
    Hillary’s refugee vetting … it’s complete nonsense. They can’t do it. Machado coming up yet again was a golden opportunity to make the point. Hillary plan this for six months and couldn’t adequately vet Machado who had *published* stories about her past … and she’s going to vet all these refugees about whom we know absolutely nothing.

    –> Islamaphobia
    It’s b.s. Americans are an incredible tolerant people and have shown that in their treatment of muslims even after 911 and all the other terrorist atrocities. There is a problem in the muslim community with terrorism and other people have an entirely natural reaction to it. Muslims need to fix the problem in their community not whine about people reacting to it.

    –> Trump ISIS recruiter
    Just say: “This Hillary talking point is even more stupid than usual. I’ve been a candidate for a year and a half. ISIS was born and flourished under Hillary’s watch. Islamic terrorists aren’t waiting around to kill people … they’ve been doing it for years. Hillary’s telling Americans “hey don’t notice what’s going on”. She expects us to be quivering in fear so we don’t offend the people who want to kill us. How pathetic.

    –> How did Hillary get rich.
    Average Americans still don’t know that Hillary is actually rich without doing an honest days labor. Trump *still* has not told them!

    Left White House broke, now 150 million. No business, not playing center field for the Yankees, not even practicing law. Simply legal bribery from Wall Street and foreign banks–buying influence. Trust me these are smart people, they have about as much interest in listening to Hillary speak as in having their fingernails pulled. It’s simply a mafia type shakedown. Pay us and we’ll protect you.

    –> Hillary’s record.
    The highpoints:
    lawyer — getting off the rapist
    Ark first lady — “keep quiet” enforcer
    First lady — health care task force debacle
    Senator — Iraq war vote
    Sec. of State — destabilizing Libya and Syria and created refugee crisis
    “A consistent record of failure.” “No one would think for a second that someone with this record should be President of the United States … the only reason she was able to get the nomination–is she’s Bill Clinton’s wife, and so had raised a ton of money from Wall Street as people don’t want to be on the wrong side of the Clintons.”

    –> Email scandal
    If you’re going to keep yapping about the email scandal then say clearly what it’s about. Hillary was trying to hide her emails from Freedom of the Information act, so the favors she was doing requested by Clinton Foundation contributors couldn’t be exposed. When asked to turn them over … she erased them.

    –> Will to power\entitlement
    If you’re going to complement Hillary, it’s exactly what Trump said–determination. But please spin it properly. “Hillary is determined. She just feels *entitled* to be president. When President Obama ran and beat her–she felt cheated. Many people would have thought, “darn it missed my chance” and would retire and let the next generations of Democrats have a chance. That would have been the best thing for the nation–this is a republic we don’t need anymore Bushes or Clintons as President. But again Hillary really feels *entitled* to be president. She has a tremendous need to be president. Tremendous drive–i’ll give her that.”

    –> Russia and War
    Hillary’s Russia war mongering is stupid, wrong and dangerous. We have our national interests. Who the dictator of Syria is, is *not* a critical national interest of the United States. We may have to risk conflict and war with Russia, but only when they are threatening the critical national interests of the United States. We won’t risk war with Russia over their support of a Syrian dictator. We can engage them, make our concerns know, encourage them to see things our way. But again who the dictator of Syria is, is simply not a critical national interest of the United States. Hillary’s war mongering stupidity here is precisely why 90 generals and admirals have endorsed me for President. The want a commander in chief who can understand what is and is not a critical national interst worth risking military conflict.

    –> Invade the World, Invite the World.
    It’s awesome–just say it and explain it. People will get it. It will stick, it will move the conversation and sway folks’ minds. Just *say it*.

    –> Amnesty.
    Hillary favors amnesty. And any amnesty means more people will flood in anticipation of *another* amnesty.

    –> Immigration and jobs.
    Hillary favors open borders. You simply can not have open borders and rising incomes. Period. You can not open the US to the world labor market and not have the working and middle classes take it on the chin. Jobs, income inequality, housing, schools, roads congestion, crime, the environment … everything is being made worse by mass immigration.

    –> One nation.
    Perfect setup for Trump with the black guy’s question–and he still can’t do it.
    Simple answer, Hillary’s in the politics of division. She’s got a line for the blacks–the policy are out to kill you. She’s got a line for Hispanics–being for a wall is racist. She’s got a line for women–Trump doesn’t respect you. She’s got a line for muslims–Trump is racist. She’s got a pitch to almost everyone but working class people–you are deplorable.

    Here’s my deal. I don’t have all these pitches to every slice of the electorate. My pitch is simple: I’m on your side, because i’m on the side of *Americans*. I’m going to work for your interest not as a black, or Hispanic or white or Asian or man or woman but as an *American*. I’m going to fight for your job, your security, your opportunity, your children’s future.

    ~~~
    Anyway, much, much better tonight but man what a frustrating guy to carry the nationalist banner. His cause is so good. The arguments are so solid. And Hillary is such a soft target. Trump’s inability to really nail it … just drives one nuts.

    • Agree: Pat Hannagan, ic1000
    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @AnotherDad

    Good comments, especially on invade world/invite world, wages, immigration, one nation.

    Why the heck doesn't he give these issues given more air time?

    , @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    You'd work unpaid for his campaign, right? We need to make this happen.

    ^^ HEY STEPHEN MILLER, THIS GUY RIGHT HERE ^^

    , @Steve Sailer
    @AnotherDad

    –> Invade the World, Invite the World.
    It’s awesome–just say it and explain it. People will get it. It will stick, it will move the conversation and sway folks’ minds. Just *say it*.


    I've been saying it for over ten years.

    I thought it was pretty catchy. Yet, it's turned out to be so anti-viral that Merck should bottle it and give everybody an injection of it before flu season.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Desiderius, @AnotherDad, @reiner Tor, @SteveRogers42

    , @Abe
    @AnotherDad


    Anyway, much, much better tonight but man what a frustrating guy to carry the nationalist banner. His cause is so good. The arguments are so solid. And Hillary is such a soft target. Trump’s inability to really nail it … just drives one nuts.
     
    My thoughts-

    At the beginning, thought it could turn into a total rout for Trump. He looked terrible (eyes puffy, like he had either not slept the previous night or been up crying or both) and his demeanor was bad. Then came the p-grab scandal questions- as a man all this faux outrage just makes my blood boil! It's not 1900, the panel moderators are not Edith Wharton and Henry James (in the Anderson Cooper, low-flaming gay role), and Trump had not just been accused by the Irish coachman of lifting the hem of the dress so as to lewdly stare at the ankle of one Miss Marblesworth.

    Hillary looked much stronger to me than last time, and she came out tough, though then again I thought her "seethe smiles" and phony laughter in the first debate would turn off a lot of voters, so what do I know? But after a strong start about Trump's pattern of behavior she downshifted into phony "America's been always great/not who we are" pablum and lost her chance for a knock-out. Also by putting the scandal questions up front (or not stacking the audience so as to bring up variations of it all night long) they miscalculated and let Trump put it behind him. His response wasn't great, he looked very uncomfortable giving it, but he got through it and got much stronger as the night went on- again, tactical mistake to bring it up so early, because by even being on that stage he looked more and more Presidential.

    As you say, lot of frustrating moments, especially a silly diversion into his Pennsylvania Ave. hotel deal and his taxes (on a question that did not even directly raise these). In fact, it was to Clinton's awful, AWFUL invocation of Abraham Lincoln with the tacky faux Hollywood-insider namedropping throw-in ("my good friend, Stephen Spielberg, whose totally 'masterclass' movie about the life of that great President..."). Really missed an opportunity to tear into her on the "public face/private face" Wikileak, but ridiculing the notion that "honest Abe" would condone this type of two-facedness was probably good enough, and quicker thinking on his feet than I could have been capable of.

    Anyway, bunch of other missed opportunities: when Clinton brought up her experience in hunting bin Laden, should have pointed out drone strike program information was cited by Comey as some of the most damaging material on her server; or on an otherwise very good point about having no idea who the "good rebels" are in Syria, forgot to mention the fiasco of us having spent 100's of millions to train less than 100 (less than 10?) rebels. Trump has a demonstrated inability to do the grind-work cramming expected of conventional candidates (as Steve said, his healthcare answer is weak and has not improved in all these months; his reiteration of ISIS drowning people in cages has been his go-to since Jeb! was still in the race and has not gotten any fresher) but overall I think he gave as good as he got, and just by remaining on his feet at the end served his most important purpose- to go into the 3rd debate with the contest still being up for grabs.
  295. @Mr. Anon
    @The Z Blog

    "My guess is the release of that tape pissed him off. Probably a bad move by Team Clinton."

    Did Team Clinton release the tape? Or did Team Bush? As far as I know, none of the Bush clan have said they will vote for Trump. Many have said they will vote against him. And after all, the guy Trump was talking to on that tape, Billy Bush, is Jeb's first cousin.

    Replies: @snorlax

    As far as I know, none of the Bush clan have said they will vote for Trump.

    IIRC, George P (Jeb’s son) did, although he may have unendorsed, I dunno.

  296. @szopen
    Why he hasn't mentioned Hillary's defense of child rapist? I mean the fact that she for all purposes admitted she knew he was guilty, but laughed that she was able to destroy the evidence?

    I know this was like 40-50 years ago, but people's characters do not change that much, do they?

    Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @CJ

    He did. Hillary’s client’s victim was there.

  297. The Guardian is squawking about Trump’s “threat” to put Hillary in jail and accusing him of fighting dirty.

    Sounds like they think he won.

    • Replies: @guest
    @celt darnell

    What are we, a Banana Republic? It's not as if Hillary had anything to do with hounding a sitting Republican president out of office for covering up dirty tricks political tricks.

  298. @jon
    @Anonymous


    CNN Accidentally shown coaching their ‘uncommitted voter panel’ what to say.
     
    Yeah, someone posted a tweet from O'Reilly that included that clip. Hopefully it blows up tonight and tomorrow.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    But what exactly is going on in the clip where somebody whispers Hillary’s line about America is great because America is good.

    • Replies: @jon
    @Steve Sailer


    But what exactly is going on in the clip where somebody whispers Hillary’s line about America is great because America is good.
     
    As near as I can tell, they cut to the reporters mic too soon and caught the tail end of her feeding the lady an answer. You can clearly hear her say the "America is great" part when the video is still focused the debate, then you can see that the reporter and the black lady are talking (though you can't really hear what is being said) when the video switches over to the undecideds. The black lady then gives the answer that her and the reporter had just discussed.

    I suppose a charitable interpretation would be that the whole thing was rehearsed, but that the answers were actually those of the undecided audience members. After all, we have all seen how poorly an average joe can come across in those man-on-the-street interviews. So maybe the reporter was just helping her with the answer that she (the black lady) had already prepared for that question.

    But the rumor I'll be spreading to try to generate outrage is that the reporter was telling the black lady what to say. That her answer was no more genuine than that question from the little girl at the rally who turned out to be a child actor and daughter of a Democrat politician.
  299. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Hillary’s main problem as a campaigner is that she’s Polonius in a pantsuit. She’s a silly old windbag who doesn’t understand that she’s the biggest bore in the room. She’s as boring as Al Gore, but with a foul reek of corruption that even Gore didn’t have at that stage.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Anon

    History has moved on. Simple as that: she has been in DC since 1991. History has moved on. And, today, unbelievably, we are under a nuclear war threat! I hate the US govt that is stoking nuclear war to prove some sort of point with Putin.

    , @David In TN
    @Anon

    "Hillary's main problem as a campaigner is that she's Polonius in a pantsuit."

    Thanks for mentioning good old Polonius. It reminded me of something. During Jimmy Carter's presidency, National Review (right-wing in those days) discussed Carter's press coverage early on. They described the famous columnist James Reston as a "Polonius-like courtier."

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter

  300. @snorlax
    @Opinionator

    5 possibilities as I see it

    1. She may be pissed about the "pussy" tape, or the Howard Stern ones.
    2. Alternatively, afraid of "Trump molests daughter" headlines.
    3. Mad (justifiably) about how Ivanka is clearly the favorite daughter.
    4. Germophobe, taking after dad.
    5. Occam's Razor: Just didn't notice, even though it looks like she did.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    6. Trump had a lot of tv makeup on that would have smeared onto her.

    7. Trump has the sniffles and could have given her a cold.

  301. @Difference Maker
    @Percy Gryce

    This is about reminding the public of the magnitude of her crimes

    Replies: @jon

    This is about reminding the public of the magnitude of her crimes

    Agreed. He’s not constantly harping on it at his rallies or posting it on his website as some kind of campaign promise. It was just a memorable line in the debate that emphasized how corrupt she really is.

  302. @BB753
    @Opinionator

    She's supporting Hillary.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    Really?

  303. @Harry Baldwin
    @Cryptogenic

    Yeah, I noticed the fly too. A hint of the satanic, like something in one of those Omen films. If her tongue had flicked out and caught it she might have lost five percent of the women's vote.

    Replies: @Tracy, @inertial

    Nothing satanic, but you know what substance flies are attracted to. For the next debate, Pentagon should declare Hillary’s face a no-fly zone.

  304. @Cryptogenic
    @Harry Baldwin

    I thought that was Rob Ford. Also, how about the fly landing on Hillary's face and shirt? That's kind of ominous.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Lagertha

    so creepy. This is an omen (not a good one, duh) in my country, ’cause it is late in autumn.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Lagertha

    What does its being late in Autumn have to do with it?

    Replies: @jon

    , @Jack D
    @Lagertha

    First frost in that part of the US is usually not before Oct. 15 and flies sometimes find shelter indoors much later than that.

  305. @Marie
    Just retweeted by Joyce Carol Oates:

    "Note to my male friends who might not realize: Trump's standing behind her is a bullying tactic. Abusive men do this to us all the time."

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @guest, @Vendetta, @Kylie

    Another note: standing in front of women is a bullying tactic employed by abusive men. Abusive men stand beside women, as well. Basically, being a man within or without the vicinity of females is an abusive tactic.

    The more you know.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @guest

    ha, ha, haa! love it. I hate women. They are such sour, mean-spirited people who can't let joy into their lives, ever, unless you are really, really, rich. My mother, in the early 70's, thought American, so called-feminists, were pathetic whiners who didn't understand actual civil rights...they had never suffered like Euro WW2 women, but they had a whole lotta opinions! Much like today.

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

    , @Marie
    @guest

    Delusional Twitter feminists have been commiserating the imaginary Trumpian debate sexism all night long, retweeting Sally Kohn and other luminaries while trying to fend off our glorious brethren of the alt-right.

  306. @szopen
    Why he hasn't mentioned Hillary's defense of child rapist? I mean the fact that she for all purposes admitted she knew he was guilty, but laughed that she was able to destroy the evidence?

    I know this was like 40-50 years ago, but people's characters do not change that much, do they?

    Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @CJ

    Yes,he did – Fred’s right. He used her name.

  307. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    "I thought I caught a little micro-smile by Hillary when Trump said he did not actually assault any women. I’m guessing the Dems already have an alleged victim lined up who will say he did."

    That sounds pretty plausible.

    Replies: @jon, @candid_observer

    Well, Kristof already had come up with a name, though even by the details he himself provided, it looks to be a very lame case indeed:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/09/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-groper-in-chief.html?_r=0

    Of course, she didn’t report the supposed assault to the police, because of women’s reasons. And she dated him after the supposed assault, because of women’s reasons. All the trauma, you know, she got real confused.

    My own guess is that if they’re going to come up with a name, the woman had better have some very convincing reason she is only now registering the complaint, otherwise it will rightly look awfully weak to normal people.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @candid_observer

    The Alicia Machado story was awfully weak too, but that didn't stop them.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @TangoMan

  308. The debate was broadcast live in Oz on commercial free-to-air TV (Channel 9). I don’t think that’s ever been done before for a Presidential debate.

    All that pussy talk must have got them salivating for wymin’s TV ratings (it was middle of day here – housewives, refugees and unemployed TV viewing time).

  309. @Anon
    Hillary's main problem as a campaigner is that she's Polonius in a pantsuit. She's a silly old windbag who doesn't understand that she's the biggest bore in the room. She's as boring as Al Gore, but with a foul reek of corruption that even Gore didn't have at that stage.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @David In TN

    History has moved on. Simple as that: she has been in DC since 1991. History has moved on. And, today, unbelievably, we are under a nuclear war threat! I hate the US govt that is stoking nuclear war to prove some sort of point with Putin.

    • Agree: Abe
  310. @celt darnell
    The Guardian is squawking about Trump's "threat" to put Hillary in jail and accusing him of fighting dirty.

    Sounds like they think he won.

    Replies: @guest

    What are we, a Banana Republic? It’s not as if Hillary had anything to do with hounding a sitting Republican president out of office for covering up dirty tricks political tricks.

  311. @AnotherDad
    Trump was much, much better but man is he a *frustrating* guy to have as your champion

    --> Hillary's private remarks.
    Swing from his private remarks--which are Trumpian braggadocio fundamentally about nothing consequential to Americans--to her private remarks about her dream of open borders.

    --> Vetting
    Hillary's refugee vetting ... it's complete nonsense. They can't do it. Machado coming up yet again was a golden opportunity to make the point. Hillary plan this for six months and couldn't adequately vet Machado who had *published* stories about her past ... and she's going to vet all these refugees about whom we know absolutely nothing.

    --> Islamaphobia
    It's b.s. Americans are an incredible tolerant people and have shown that in their treatment of muslims even after 911 and all the other terrorist atrocities. There is a problem in the muslim community with terrorism and other people have an entirely natural reaction to it. Muslims need to fix the problem in their community not whine about people reacting to it.

    --> Trump ISIS recruiter
    Just say: "This Hillary talking point is even more stupid than usual. I've been a candidate for a year and a half. ISIS was born and flourished under Hillary's watch. Islamic terrorists aren't waiting around to kill people ... they've been doing it for years. Hillary's telling Americans "hey don't notice what's going on". She expects us to be quivering in fear so we don't offend the people who want to kill us. How pathetic.

    --> How did Hillary get rich.
    Average Americans still don't know that Hillary is actually rich without doing an honest days labor. Trump *still* has not told them!

    Left White House broke, now 150 million. No business, not playing center field for the Yankees, not even practicing law. Simply legal bribery from Wall Street and foreign banks--buying influence. Trust me these are smart people, they have about as much interest in listening to Hillary speak as in having their fingernails pulled. It's simply a mafia type shakedown. Pay us and we'll protect you.

    --> Hillary's record.
    The highpoints:
    lawyer -- getting off the rapist
    Ark first lady -- "keep quiet" enforcer
    First lady -- health care task force debacle
    Senator -- Iraq war vote
    Sec. of State -- destabilizing Libya and Syria and created refugee crisis
    "A consistent record of failure." "No one would think for a second that someone with this record should be President of the United States ... the only reason she was able to get the nomination--is she's Bill Clinton's wife, and so had raised a ton of money from Wall Street as people don't want to be on the wrong side of the Clintons."

    --> Email scandal
    If you're going to keep yapping about the email scandal then say clearly what it's about. Hillary was trying to hide her emails from Freedom of the Information act, so the favors she was doing requested by Clinton Foundation contributors couldn't be exposed. When asked to turn them over ... she erased them.

    --> Will to power\entitlement
    If you're going to complement Hillary, it's exactly what Trump said--determination. But please spin it properly. "Hillary is determined. She just feels *entitled* to be president. When President Obama ran and beat her--she felt cheated. Many people would have thought, "darn it missed my chance" and would retire and let the next generations of Democrats have a chance. That would have been the best thing for the nation--this is a republic we don't need anymore Bushes or Clintons as President. But again Hillary really feels *entitled* to be president. She has a tremendous need to be president. Tremendous drive--i'll give her that."

    --> Russia and War
    Hillary's Russia war mongering is stupid, wrong and dangerous. We have our national interests. Who the dictator of Syria is, is *not* a critical national interest of the United States. We may have to risk conflict and war with Russia, but only when they are threatening the critical national interests of the United States. We won't risk war with Russia over their support of a Syrian dictator. We can engage them, make our concerns know, encourage them to see things our way. But again who the dictator of Syria is, is simply not a critical national interest of the United States. Hillary's war mongering stupidity here is precisely why 90 generals and admirals have endorsed me for President. The want a commander in chief who can understand what is and is not a critical national interst worth risking military conflict.

    --> Invade the World, Invite the World.
    It's awesome--just say it and explain it. People will get it. It will stick, it will move the conversation and sway folks' minds. Just *say it*.

    --> Amnesty.
    Hillary favors amnesty. And any amnesty means more people will flood in anticipation of *another* amnesty.

    --> Immigration and jobs.
    Hillary favors open borders. You simply can not have open borders and rising incomes. Period. You can not open the US to the world labor market and not have the working and middle classes take it on the chin. Jobs, income inequality, housing, schools, roads congestion, crime, the environment ... everything is being made worse by mass immigration.

    --> One nation.
    Perfect setup for Trump with the black guy's question--and he still can't do it.
    Simple answer, Hillary's in the politics of division. She's got a line for the blacks--the policy are out to kill you. She's got a line for Hispanics--being for a wall is racist. She's got a line for women--Trump doesn't respect you. She's got a line for muslims--Trump is racist. She's got a pitch to almost everyone but working class people--you are deplorable.

    Here's my deal. I don't have all these pitches to every slice of the electorate. My pitch is simple: I'm on your side, because i'm on the side of *Americans*. I'm going to work for your interest not as a black, or Hispanic or white or Asian or man or woman but as an *American*. I'm going to fight for your job, your security, your opportunity, your children's future.

    ~~~
    Anyway, much, much better tonight but man what a frustrating guy to carry the nationalist banner. His cause is so good. The arguments are so solid. And Hillary is such a soft target. Trump's inability to really nail it ... just drives one nuts.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Anonymous, @Steve Sailer, @Abe

    Good comments, especially on invade world/invite world, wages, immigration, one nation.

    Why the heck doesn’t he give these issues given more air time?

  312. @AndrewR
    Trump won the last question about saying something positive about the other candidate. Hillary's answer was such a copout.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Harry Baldwin, @Marat

    Her memory. When she has it.
    Or
    Her determination.
    Or
    Her loyalty to her husband.

  313. @candid_observer
    @Steve Sailer

    Well, Kristof already had come up with a name, though even by the details he himself provided, it looks to be a very lame case indeed:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/09/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-groper-in-chief.html?_r=0

    Of course, she didn't report the supposed assault to the police, because of women's reasons. And she dated him after the supposed assault, because of women's reasons. All the trauma, you know, she got real confused.

    My own guess is that if they're going to come up with a name, the woman had better have some very convincing reason she is only now registering the complaint, otherwise it will rightly look awfully weak to normal people.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The Alicia Machado story was awfully weak too, but that didn’t stop them.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, Machado comes up here and there, but how much mileage are they getting out of it now? It seems to be mainly the media outlets that pushed it to begin with -- the NY Times, chiefly -- which seem to be continuing to bring it up. My guess is that others are a little embarrassed by the facts of the case, and don't want to look too foolish by going all in with it.

    They can try to do the same with the woman Kristof mentions, but if the facts are weak, Trump himself won't hesitate to bring them to public attention and suck most of the poison out of the case.

    What Trump is certainly managing to do is raise the bar on what can work for them -- they must be starting to realize that there will be major pushback on anything they use to attack him with. Before, one guesses out of sheer arrogance, they seemed not in the least concerned about that possibility.

    Maybe there's a more compelling case they've got lined up, but I seriously wonder how such a case might have gone under the radar for so long and remained compelling.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

    , @TangoMan
    @Steve Sailer

    They've clearly picked a theme, War on Women, and why not, it's been a reliable tactic for years now and with Trump they're playing it as a narrative arc - each new accusation becomes a bit more serious and dramatic, so in order to have an escalating arc you trot out the weakest claim first and build from there.

    They want to show a pattern and get Trump stuck in the weeds fighting off the accusations and using up news cycles, thus preventing Trump from counter-punching about Clinton's criminal misdeeds. Each accusations uses up a week of TV news and keeps the War on Women fresh in women voters, and cucks', minds.

    As has been speculated in this thread, they've tipped their hand on the next accusation - some woman is going to accuse Trump of sexual assault.

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

  314. @Lagertha
    @Cryptogenic

    so creepy. This is an omen (not a good one, duh) in my country, 'cause it is late in autumn.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Jack D

    What does its being late in Autumn have to do with it?

    • Replies: @jon
    @Opinionator


    What does its being late in Autumn have to do with it?
     
    Not a lot of flies in late Autumn.

    Replies: @Dissident

  315. @guest
    @Marie

    Another note: standing in front of women is a bullying tactic employed by abusive men. Abusive men stand beside women, as well. Basically, being a man within or without the vicinity of females is an abusive tactic.

    The more you know.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Marie

    ha, ha, haa! love it. I hate women. They are such sour, mean-spirited people who can’t let joy into their lives, ever, unless you are really, really, rich. My mother, in the early 70’s, thought American, so called-feminists, were pathetic whiners who didn’t understand actual civil rights…they had never suffered like Euro WW2 women, but they had a whole lotta opinions! Much like today.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    @Lagertha

    You hate women?

    You're a fascinating guy, Lagertha. I reckon I've come across you before on the alt-right internet. You a fan of Hipster Racist perchance?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Lagertha

  316. it’s obvious that Hillary’s main reason for being the Democratic nominee is that her husband is term limited out of a third term, the way Lurleen Wallace was elected governor of Georgia when George Wallace got term limited out of running. But we’re all supposed to act like Hillary has taken on the entire male sex by running for President, rather than coasting on her husband’s slipstream.

    That is one criticism that won’t stick. In hindsight it seems more and more obvious that Bill is just a very smart good ol’ boy who would probably be a happy Arkansas lawyer on his 4th wife today if he hadn’t met Hillary.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Peter Akuleyev


    In hindsight it seems more and more obvious that Bill is just a very smart good ol’ boy who would probably be a happy Arkansas lawyer on his 4th wife today if he hadn’t met Hillary.
     
    Nah. He wouldn't have gone off on a Rhodes scholarship if he was like that. There was no Hillary to egg him on at that stage. Besides, the very stark difference in IQ, in people smarts, and attractiveness of personality leads me to believe Bill would have sought great things on his own.

    It's Hillary who latched onto him, not the other way around. I've never bought the feminist (yet regressive) propaganda that Hillary is the woman who is the reason for the success of a talented but inherently indisciplined man.

  317. @Lagertha
    @guest

    ha, ha, haa! love it. I hate women. They are such sour, mean-spirited people who can't let joy into their lives, ever, unless you are really, really, rich. My mother, in the early 70's, thought American, so called-feminists, were pathetic whiners who didn't understand actual civil rights...they had never suffered like Euro WW2 women, but they had a whole lotta opinions! Much like today.

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

    You hate women?

    You’re a fascinating guy, Lagertha. I reckon I’ve come across you before on the alt-right internet. You a fan of Hipster Racist perchance?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Pat Hannagan

    As Ambrose Bierce put it: "Misogynist: a man who hates women as much as women hate each other."
    @lagertha is very obviously a woman, Pat, which is why she has fewer illusions than you apparently do. Anyway, cheers man.

    Replies: @Dissident

    , @Lagertha
    @Pat Hannagan

    if you only saw me now! The sad part is: you have so much hate in your heart. But, as much as I dislike most women, I abhor a shitload of men like you, so we are similar. In fact, I find most humans tedious. You are certainly one of the tedious ones! - because you take the bait to respond, when no one gives a shit on Unz. You are worthless and nobody cares. Go away.

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

  318. @Steve Sailer
    @candid_observer

    The Alicia Machado story was awfully weak too, but that didn't stop them.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @TangoMan

    Yeah, Machado comes up here and there, but how much mileage are they getting out of it now? It seems to be mainly the media outlets that pushed it to begin with — the NY Times, chiefly — which seem to be continuing to bring it up. My guess is that others are a little embarrassed by the facts of the case, and don’t want to look too foolish by going all in with it.

    They can try to do the same with the woman Kristof mentions, but if the facts are weak, Trump himself won’t hesitate to bring them to public attention and suck most of the poison out of the case.

    What Trump is certainly managing to do is raise the bar on what can work for them — they must be starting to realize that there will be major pushback on anything they use to attack him with. Before, one guesses out of sheer arrogance, they seemed not in the least concerned about that possibility.

    Maybe there’s a more compelling case they’ve got lined up, but I seriously wonder how such a case might have gone under the radar for so long and remained compelling.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @candid_observer

    Hillary brought up Alicia Machado again in the second debate, although not by name.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    , @Steve Sailer
    @candid_observer

    "Maybe there’s a more compelling case they’ve got lined up, but I seriously wonder how such a case might have gone under the radar for so long and remained compelling."

    How'd we elect Bill Clinton in 1992? A couple of people I knew from Arkansas told me he was a sleaze dog, but that got covered up past the election.

    I'd hardly be surprised if Trump has paid out some hush money now and then.

  319. @Anonymous
    I thought I caught a little micro-smile by Hillary when Trump said he did not actually assault any women. I'm guessing the Dems already have an alleged victim lined up who will say he did.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad

    I thought I caught a little micro-smile by Hillary when Trump said he did not actually assault any women. I’m guessing the Dems already have an alleged victim lined up who will say he did.

    I’m with Steve. Very likely. The thing is this sort of stuff is basically impossible to disprove. They just make the accusation. It’s fundamentally the issue about why these date rape cases are very difficult and indeed are different than say prosecuting assault. Feminists yap that’s it’s some kind of conspiracy against women, but it’s fundamentally because the underlying act–sex– is something that people voluntarily engage in, unlike say getting killed or the crap beaten outta you or your house being robbed.

    Trump is going to have to handle this carefully and firmly.
    –> It’s nonsense.
    –> If it wasn’t nonsense the Clinton camp could have rolled it out months ago. They didn’t because they don’t want to any sort of full investigation. They want everyone to accept this allegation that they’ve ginned up as the full story.
    –> It didn’t happen, it’s absolute nonsense and typical of the lies and dishonesty you get from the Clintons.
    –> Let’s talk about what really matters in this campaign:
    — Hillary has contempt for average Americans and will put the interests of her Wall Street backers who have made her rich first.
    — I love Americans and i’ll work to put Americans and their interests as Americans first.

  320. @candid_observer
    @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, Machado comes up here and there, but how much mileage are they getting out of it now? It seems to be mainly the media outlets that pushed it to begin with -- the NY Times, chiefly -- which seem to be continuing to bring it up. My guess is that others are a little embarrassed by the facts of the case, and don't want to look too foolish by going all in with it.

    They can try to do the same with the woman Kristof mentions, but if the facts are weak, Trump himself won't hesitate to bring them to public attention and suck most of the poison out of the case.

    What Trump is certainly managing to do is raise the bar on what can work for them -- they must be starting to realize that there will be major pushback on anything they use to attack him with. Before, one guesses out of sheer arrogance, they seemed not in the least concerned about that possibility.

    Maybe there's a more compelling case they've got lined up, but I seriously wonder how such a case might have gone under the radar for so long and remained compelling.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

    Hillary brought up Alicia Machado again in the second debate, although not by name.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Steve Sailer

    Meh. Officially meh, over, fail, yesterday. No one cares anymore 'cause: Putin and Nukes in Kallingard.

  321. @Steve Sailer
    @candid_observer

    The Alicia Machado story was awfully weak too, but that didn't stop them.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @TangoMan

    They’ve clearly picked a theme, War on Women, and why not, it’s been a reliable tactic for years now and with Trump they’re playing it as a narrative arc – each new accusation becomes a bit more serious and dramatic, so in order to have an escalating arc you trot out the weakest claim first and build from there.

    They want to show a pattern and get Trump stuck in the weeds fighting off the accusations and using up news cycles, thus preventing Trump from counter-punching about Clinton’s criminal misdeeds. Each accusations uses up a week of TV news and keeps the War on Women fresh in women voters, and cucks’, minds.

    As has been speculated in this thread, they’ve tipped their hand on the next accusation – some woman is going to accuse Trump of sexual assault.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    @TangoMan

    They’ve clearly picked a theme, War on Women

    This was the theme of the 2010 federal election in Oz- Gillard vs Abbott. Abbott came up with his ridiculous paid maternity leave scheme to combat his so called misogyny. I think Trump has come up with a similar policy.

    Gillard responded, leading up to the next election, with the greatest anti-patriarchy speech of all time! - now known as The Misogyny Speech - after Abbott looked at his watch while she was talking in parliament and at the same time wore a blue tie.

    Blue is a pussy grabbing signal apparently. No one wears blue ties in Australia anymore.

    Oz is way ahead of any American Leftist inspired disfunction. Yay us!

  322. @candid_observer
    @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, Machado comes up here and there, but how much mileage are they getting out of it now? It seems to be mainly the media outlets that pushed it to begin with -- the NY Times, chiefly -- which seem to be continuing to bring it up. My guess is that others are a little embarrassed by the facts of the case, and don't want to look too foolish by going all in with it.

    They can try to do the same with the woman Kristof mentions, but if the facts are weak, Trump himself won't hesitate to bring them to public attention and suck most of the poison out of the case.

    What Trump is certainly managing to do is raise the bar on what can work for them -- they must be starting to realize that there will be major pushback on anything they use to attack him with. Before, one guesses out of sheer arrogance, they seemed not in the least concerned about that possibility.

    Maybe there's a more compelling case they've got lined up, but I seriously wonder how such a case might have gone under the radar for so long and remained compelling.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

    “Maybe there’s a more compelling case they’ve got lined up, but I seriously wonder how such a case might have gone under the radar for so long and remained compelling.”

    How’d we elect Bill Clinton in 1992? A couple of people I knew from Arkansas told me he was a sleaze dog, but that got covered up past the election.

    I’d hardly be surprised if Trump has paid out some hush money now and then.

  323. @Johnnywalker123
    New CNN instant poll of debate watchers.

    The winner is Clinton by a margin of 57 to 34.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    I’m not a poll truther, but even people who don’t like Trump in my timeline are saying otherwise.

  324. @Steve Sailer
    @jon

    But what exactly is going on in the clip where somebody whispers Hillary's line about America is great because America is good.

    Replies: @jon

    But what exactly is going on in the clip where somebody whispers Hillary’s line about America is great because America is good.

    As near as I can tell, they cut to the reporters mic too soon and caught the tail end of her feeding the lady an answer. You can clearly hear her say the “America is great” part when the video is still focused the debate, then you can see that the reporter and the black lady are talking (though you can’t really hear what is being said) when the video switches over to the undecideds. The black lady then gives the answer that her and the reporter had just discussed.

    I suppose a charitable interpretation would be that the whole thing was rehearsed, but that the answers were actually those of the undecided audience members. After all, we have all seen how poorly an average joe can come across in those man-on-the-street interviews. So maybe the reporter was just helping her with the answer that she (the black lady) had already prepared for that question.

    But the rumor I’ll be spreading to try to generate outrage is that the reporter was telling the black lady what to say. That her answer was no more genuine than that question from the little girl at the rally who turned out to be a child actor and daughter of a Democrat politician.

  325. @BB753
    "Strange that Trump disagreed with Pence openly at the debate."

    Can Trump fire him once he's in the White House?

    Replies: @Abe

    “Strange that Trump disagreed with Pence openly at the debate.”

    Can Trump fire him once he’s in the White House?

    That fact that the media (e.g. CNN which I watched) immediately made this a talking point in their best wow-just-wow manner struck me as a very good sign. A Vice Presidential candidate disagreeing with the guy at the top of his ticket? Yeah, it’s a gaffe, looks sloppy, and sends a normal campaign off-message for a couple days. But Trump is the boss here and he’s articulating the far more sane policy.

    Reframe technique? Point out that for half a decade at least liberals accused Bush of being Cheney’s dumb puppet (there was even the hilarious moment when the Vice Presidential scouting committee Bush tapped Cheney to head came back with, as its unanimous nominee- tada!- Dick Cheney). Trump being his own man, being able to respectfully disagree with his running mate on important issues, and not being at all like the moron who preceded Obama, are all easy softballs for him to hit.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Abe

    The whole "P disagrees with VP" thing always trips me up, Democratic or Republican. Seriously, I'm not saying this because I back Trump. I always, always forget why I'm supposed to care. "Who gives a crap?" is my knee-jerk response. I have to put my brain back in the media mind prison and bang it against the wall for a few minutes to remember.

    Political campaigns are advertising campaigns, literally. They must have unified messages, and blah, blah, blah. Who cares, really? It's not as if one is calling for nuclear war and the other for unilateral disarmament. This is why I despise the MSM.

    Replies: @Thea

  326. @Marie
    God-Emperor Trump has triggered the evil witch to the point where she might OD on Ambien and alcohol tonight. This is the greatest thing I've ever seen.

    I bet no one has ever spoken this truthfully or directly to her in her entire adult life.

    Replies: @newrouter, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Lagertha

    on 2nd view, I agree. too much off-script disjointed talk. A.C. was prompting her to “quit her monologue” of words going on and on about Wall St.

  327. Anonymous [AKA "Perkunos"] says: • Website
    @Pat Hannagan
    @Lagertha

    You hate women?

    You're a fascinating guy, Lagertha. I reckon I've come across you before on the alt-right internet. You a fan of Hipster Racist perchance?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Lagertha

    As Ambrose Bierce put it: “Misogynist: a man who hates women as much as women hate each other.”
    @lagertha is very obviously a woman, Pat, which is why she has fewer illusions than you apparently do. Anyway, cheers man.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Anonymous

    An updated definition of "misogynist": Anyone who opposes abortion or doesn't think taxpayers and employers should be forced to pay for contraceptives for women.

  328. What was Trump’s best line tonight in your opinion?

    In mine it was the “Honest Abe” line (“I haven’t heard that one before”). The audience loved it.

    Btw Scott Adams says Trump won bigly tonight:

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/151599421561/quick-debate-reactions-from-switzerland

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @European in America

    It is not 'bigly', btw. It is called: BIG LEAGUE, capice? It is a term used by 12-22 yr olds.

    Replies: @European in America

  329. @Steve Sailer
    @candid_observer

    Hillary brought up Alicia Machado again in the second debate, although not by name.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    Meh. Officially meh, over, fail, yesterday. No one cares anymore ’cause: Putin and Nukes in Kallingard.

  330. @Opinionator
    @Lagertha

    What does its being late in Autumn have to do with it?

    Replies: @jon

    What does its being late in Autumn have to do with it?

    Not a lot of flies in late Autumn.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @jon

    But we're still in early autumn.

    Replies: @jon

  331. @European in America
    What was Trump's best line tonight in your opinion?

    In mine it was the "Honest Abe" line ("I haven't heard that one before"). The audience loved it.

    Btw Scott Adams says Trump won bigly tonight:

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/151599421561/quick-debate-reactions-from-switzerland

    Replies: @Lagertha

    It is not ‘bigly’, btw. It is called: BIG LEAGUE, capice? It is a term used by 12-22 yr olds.

    • Replies: @European in America
    @Lagertha

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bigly

    Replies: @res

  332. @TangoMan
    @Steve Sailer

    They've clearly picked a theme, War on Women, and why not, it's been a reliable tactic for years now and with Trump they're playing it as a narrative arc - each new accusation becomes a bit more serious and dramatic, so in order to have an escalating arc you trot out the weakest claim first and build from there.

    They want to show a pattern and get Trump stuck in the weeds fighting off the accusations and using up news cycles, thus preventing Trump from counter-punching about Clinton's criminal misdeeds. Each accusations uses up a week of TV news and keeps the War on Women fresh in women voters, and cucks', minds.

    As has been speculated in this thread, they've tipped their hand on the next accusation - some woman is going to accuse Trump of sexual assault.

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

    They’ve clearly picked a theme, War on Women

    This was the theme of the 2010 federal election in Oz- Gillard vs Abbott. Abbott came up with his ridiculous paid maternity leave scheme to combat his so called misogyny. I think Trump has come up with a similar policy.

    Gillard responded, leading up to the next election, with the greatest anti-patriarchy speech of all time! – now known as The Misogyny Speech – after Abbott looked at his watch while she was talking in parliament and at the same time wore a blue tie.

    Blue is a pussy grabbing signal apparently. No one wears blue ties in Australia anymore.

    Oz is way ahead of any American Leftist inspired disfunction. Yay us!

  333. @SPMoore8
    If you like Trump, and you liked the debate, Trump won.

    I can guarantee that no Hillary supporters liked the debate.

    However, I also think the debate is largely irrelevant. Everyone knows the score.

    It was good that Bill Clinton was there.

    BTW, Drudge has Trump the winner 90-10.

    Replies: @BenKenobi

    It was a good night for we few, we happy Deplorables.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @BenKenobi

    Shut up, it was Yuge! I love the spin, it is good. Trojan horses are Trojan horses.

  334. @guest
    @Marie

    Another note: standing in front of women is a bullying tactic employed by abusive men. Abusive men stand beside women, as well. Basically, being a man within or without the vicinity of females is an abusive tactic.

    The more you know.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Marie

    Delusional Twitter feminists have been commiserating the imaginary Trumpian debate sexism all night long, retweeting Sally Kohn and other luminaries while trying to fend off our glorious brethren of the alt-right.

  335. @Abe
    @BB753


    “Strange that Trump disagreed with Pence openly at the debate.”

    Can Trump fire him once he’s in the White House?
     
    That fact that the media (e.g. CNN which I watched) immediately made this a talking point in their best wow-just-wow manner struck me as a very good sign. A Vice Presidential candidate disagreeing with the guy at the top of his ticket? Yeah, it's a gaffe, looks sloppy, and sends a normal campaign off-message for a couple days. But Trump is the boss here and he's articulating the far more sane policy.

    Reframe technique? Point out that for half a decade at least liberals accused Bush of being Cheney's dumb puppet (there was even the hilarious moment when the Vice Presidential scouting committee Bush tapped Cheney to head came back with, as its unanimous nominee- tada!- Dick Cheney). Trump being his own man, being able to respectfully disagree with his running mate on important issues, and not being at all like the moron who preceded Obama, are all easy softballs for him to hit.

    Replies: @guest

    The whole “P disagrees with VP” thing always trips me up, Democratic or Republican. Seriously, I’m not saying this because I back Trump. I always, always forget why I’m supposed to care. “Who gives a crap?” is my knee-jerk response. I have to put my brain back in the media mind prison and bang it against the wall for a few minutes to remember.

    Political campaigns are advertising campaigns, literally. They must have unified messages, and blah, blah, blah. Who cares, really? It’s not as if one is calling for nuclear war and the other for unilateral disarmament. This is why I despise the MSM.

    • Replies: @Thea
    @guest

    I'm of the belief that VPs have little to do with election results. Unless he picked David Duke, it doesn't really matter who the VP is.

  336. @Pat Hannagan
    @Lagertha

    You hate women?

    You're a fascinating guy, Lagertha. I reckon I've come across you before on the alt-right internet. You a fan of Hipster Racist perchance?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Lagertha

    if you only saw me now! The sad part is: you have so much hate in your heart. But, as much as I dislike most women, I abhor a shitload of men like you, so we are similar. In fact, I find most humans tedious. You are certainly one of the tedious ones! – because you take the bait to respond, when no one gives a shit on Unz. You are worthless and nobody cares. Go away.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    @Lagertha

    if you only saw me now!

    Why, what are you wearing?

    This isn't one of those Buffalo Bill things from Silence of the Lambs is it, because I assure you I'm just not into that sort of thing.

    Replies: @Lagertha

  337. @BenKenobi
    @SPMoore8

    It was a good night for we few, we happy Deplorables.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    Shut up, it was Yuge! I love the spin, it is good. Trojan horses are Trojan horses.

  338. @AnotherDad
    Trump was much, much better but man is he a *frustrating* guy to have as your champion

    --> Hillary's private remarks.
    Swing from his private remarks--which are Trumpian braggadocio fundamentally about nothing consequential to Americans--to her private remarks about her dream of open borders.

    --> Vetting
    Hillary's refugee vetting ... it's complete nonsense. They can't do it. Machado coming up yet again was a golden opportunity to make the point. Hillary plan this for six months and couldn't adequately vet Machado who had *published* stories about her past ... and she's going to vet all these refugees about whom we know absolutely nothing.

    --> Islamaphobia
    It's b.s. Americans are an incredible tolerant people and have shown that in their treatment of muslims even after 911 and all the other terrorist atrocities. There is a problem in the muslim community with terrorism and other people have an entirely natural reaction to it. Muslims need to fix the problem in their community not whine about people reacting to it.

    --> Trump ISIS recruiter
    Just say: "This Hillary talking point is even more stupid than usual. I've been a candidate for a year and a half. ISIS was born and flourished under Hillary's watch. Islamic terrorists aren't waiting around to kill people ... they've been doing it for years. Hillary's telling Americans "hey don't notice what's going on". She expects us to be quivering in fear so we don't offend the people who want to kill us. How pathetic.

    --> How did Hillary get rich.
    Average Americans still don't know that Hillary is actually rich without doing an honest days labor. Trump *still* has not told them!

    Left White House broke, now 150 million. No business, not playing center field for the Yankees, not even practicing law. Simply legal bribery from Wall Street and foreign banks--buying influence. Trust me these are smart people, they have about as much interest in listening to Hillary speak as in having their fingernails pulled. It's simply a mafia type shakedown. Pay us and we'll protect you.

    --> Hillary's record.
    The highpoints:
    lawyer -- getting off the rapist
    Ark first lady -- "keep quiet" enforcer
    First lady -- health care task force debacle
    Senator -- Iraq war vote
    Sec. of State -- destabilizing Libya and Syria and created refugee crisis
    "A consistent record of failure." "No one would think for a second that someone with this record should be President of the United States ... the only reason she was able to get the nomination--is she's Bill Clinton's wife, and so had raised a ton of money from Wall Street as people don't want to be on the wrong side of the Clintons."

    --> Email scandal
    If you're going to keep yapping about the email scandal then say clearly what it's about. Hillary was trying to hide her emails from Freedom of the Information act, so the favors she was doing requested by Clinton Foundation contributors couldn't be exposed. When asked to turn them over ... she erased them.

    --> Will to power\entitlement
    If you're going to complement Hillary, it's exactly what Trump said--determination. But please spin it properly. "Hillary is determined. She just feels *entitled* to be president. When President Obama ran and beat her--she felt cheated. Many people would have thought, "darn it missed my chance" and would retire and let the next generations of Democrats have a chance. That would have been the best thing for the nation--this is a republic we don't need anymore Bushes or Clintons as President. But again Hillary really feels *entitled* to be president. She has a tremendous need to be president. Tremendous drive--i'll give her that."

    --> Russia and War
    Hillary's Russia war mongering is stupid, wrong and dangerous. We have our national interests. Who the dictator of Syria is, is *not* a critical national interest of the United States. We may have to risk conflict and war with Russia, but only when they are threatening the critical national interests of the United States. We won't risk war with Russia over their support of a Syrian dictator. We can engage them, make our concerns know, encourage them to see things our way. But again who the dictator of Syria is, is simply not a critical national interest of the United States. Hillary's war mongering stupidity here is precisely why 90 generals and admirals have endorsed me for President. The want a commander in chief who can understand what is and is not a critical national interst worth risking military conflict.

    --> Invade the World, Invite the World.
    It's awesome--just say it and explain it. People will get it. It will stick, it will move the conversation and sway folks' minds. Just *say it*.

    --> Amnesty.
    Hillary favors amnesty. And any amnesty means more people will flood in anticipation of *another* amnesty.

    --> Immigration and jobs.
    Hillary favors open borders. You simply can not have open borders and rising incomes. Period. You can not open the US to the world labor market and not have the working and middle classes take it on the chin. Jobs, income inequality, housing, schools, roads congestion, crime, the environment ... everything is being made worse by mass immigration.

    --> One nation.
    Perfect setup for Trump with the black guy's question--and he still can't do it.
    Simple answer, Hillary's in the politics of division. She's got a line for the blacks--the policy are out to kill you. She's got a line for Hispanics--being for a wall is racist. She's got a line for women--Trump doesn't respect you. She's got a line for muslims--Trump is racist. She's got a pitch to almost everyone but working class people--you are deplorable.

    Here's my deal. I don't have all these pitches to every slice of the electorate. My pitch is simple: I'm on your side, because i'm on the side of *Americans*. I'm going to work for your interest not as a black, or Hispanic or white or Asian or man or woman but as an *American*. I'm going to fight for your job, your security, your opportunity, your children's future.

    ~~~
    Anyway, much, much better tonight but man what a frustrating guy to carry the nationalist banner. His cause is so good. The arguments are so solid. And Hillary is such a soft target. Trump's inability to really nail it ... just drives one nuts.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Anonymous, @Steve Sailer, @Abe

    You’d work unpaid for his campaign, right? We need to make this happen.

    ^^ HEY STEPHEN MILLER, THIS GUY RIGHT HERE ^^

    • Agree: Antonymous
  339. @Peter Akuleyev
    it’s obvious that Hillary’s main reason for being the Democratic nominee is that her husband is term limited out of a third term, the way Lurleen Wallace was elected governor of Georgia when George Wallace got term limited out of running. But we’re all supposed to act like Hillary has taken on the entire male sex by running for President, rather than coasting on her husband’s slipstream.

    That is one criticism that won't stick. In hindsight it seems more and more obvious that Bill is just a very smart good ol' boy who would probably be a happy Arkansas lawyer on his 4th wife today if he hadn't met Hillary.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    In hindsight it seems more and more obvious that Bill is just a very smart good ol’ boy who would probably be a happy Arkansas lawyer on his 4th wife today if he hadn’t met Hillary.

    Nah. He wouldn’t have gone off on a Rhodes scholarship if he was like that. There was no Hillary to egg him on at that stage. Besides, the very stark difference in IQ, in people smarts, and attractiveness of personality leads me to believe Bill would have sought great things on his own.

    It’s Hillary who latched onto him, not the other way around. I’ve never bought the feminist (yet regressive) propaganda that Hillary is the woman who is the reason for the success of a talented but inherently indisciplined man.

  340. @SFG
    @Lot

    Much as I hate to join the MacDonald brigade it is funny the two Jewish guys are the ones talking about trading options. ;)

    Replies: @Lot

    the two Jewish guys

    I had no idea about Charles Erwin Wilson.

    To be precise, I am an atheist who was baptized and raised Christian with parents who are Ashkenazi on one side and on the other mostly German with a little English and Swedish. My Jewish grandparents were completely secular and celebrated Christmas and Easter. Not at a church, but easter egg hunts and chocolate rabbits. My gentile side also is more fertile so most of my aunts, uncles, and cousins are non-Jewish.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Lot

    You can hunt all the Easter eggs you want, but the taint is in the blood.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @SFG

    , @SFG
    @Lot

    Sorry, it was meant as more of a gentle jibe--I figured you'd heard worse around here. No actual offense intended.

    Replies: @Lot

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Lot


    I had no idea about Charles Erwin Wilson.
     
    Thanks! I haven't had a good belly laugh like this for at least six weeks! Oh, and BTW, too bad about your atheism. I'll put in a good word for you on Judgement Day.
  341. @Lagertha
    @Pat Hannagan

    if you only saw me now! The sad part is: you have so much hate in your heart. But, as much as I dislike most women, I abhor a shitload of men like you, so we are similar. In fact, I find most humans tedious. You are certainly one of the tedious ones! - because you take the bait to respond, when no one gives a shit on Unz. You are worthless and nobody cares. Go away.

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

    if you only saw me now!

    Why, what are you wearing?

    This isn’t one of those Buffalo Bill things from Silence of the Lambs is it, because I assure you I’m just not into that sort of thing.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Pat Hannagan

    well, I'm going to sleep. Just don't be a jack-ass to the girl you like but have never really made an effort to say to her that she matters to you.

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

  342. @Lagertha
    @European in America

    It is not 'bigly', btw. It is called: BIG LEAGUE, capice? It is a term used by 12-22 yr olds.

    Replies: @European in America

    • Replies: @res
    @European in America

    Interesting. Odd choice of words by Scott Adams. Have you ever heard anyone use "bigly" before? I looked at the urban dictionary page you linked and two of the definitions have to do with Trump (why? are they making fun of the way he says "big league", similarly to "huge" as "yuge"?). The debate transcript at https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/09/everything-that-was-said-at-the-second-donald-trump-vs-hillary-clinton-debate-highlighted/
    shows Trump saying "big league" and Google ngrams show "big league" having 40x the frequency of "bigly":
    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=bigly%2Cbig+league&year_start=1900&year_end=2010&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cbigly%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cbig%20league%3B%2Cc0

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lot

  343. @Percy Gryce
    "Because you'd be in jail." I can't tell if Trump's special prosecutor gambit is a good idea or not. I think we generally move on after elections. Threatening to prosecute the losing side is a dicey move, IMHO.

    Replies: @newrouter, @The Z Blog, @Hibernian, @Difference Maker, @Lot, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    I thought it was a bad moment.

    Both Hillary and Trump looked best talking policy and looked worse talking about the other candidate.

    Trump was not especially coherent talking about policy, and I winced at his stupid “sell insurance across state lines” talking point, but he certainly seemed more presidential at those points.

    • Replies: @res
    @Lot


    I winced at his stupid “sell insurance across state lines” talking point
     
    What exactly makes it "stupid"? It is grossly oversimplified as a talking point, but there seems to be at least some substance there. Here is the AEI talking about the same basic idea:
    https://www.aei.org/publication/the-pros-and-cons-of-selling-health-insurance-across-state-lines/
    Can you point me to an analysis you find credible? Much of what I saw in a quick search appears tainted by "Trump believes it so it must be false."

    Replies: @Lot

  344. @AnotherDad
    Trump was much, much better but man is he a *frustrating* guy to have as your champion

    --> Hillary's private remarks.
    Swing from his private remarks--which are Trumpian braggadocio fundamentally about nothing consequential to Americans--to her private remarks about her dream of open borders.

    --> Vetting
    Hillary's refugee vetting ... it's complete nonsense. They can't do it. Machado coming up yet again was a golden opportunity to make the point. Hillary plan this for six months and couldn't adequately vet Machado who had *published* stories about her past ... and she's going to vet all these refugees about whom we know absolutely nothing.

    --> Islamaphobia
    It's b.s. Americans are an incredible tolerant people and have shown that in their treatment of muslims even after 911 and all the other terrorist atrocities. There is a problem in the muslim community with terrorism and other people have an entirely natural reaction to it. Muslims need to fix the problem in their community not whine about people reacting to it.

    --> Trump ISIS recruiter
    Just say: "This Hillary talking point is even more stupid than usual. I've been a candidate for a year and a half. ISIS was born and flourished under Hillary's watch. Islamic terrorists aren't waiting around to kill people ... they've been doing it for years. Hillary's telling Americans "hey don't notice what's going on". She expects us to be quivering in fear so we don't offend the people who want to kill us. How pathetic.

    --> How did Hillary get rich.
    Average Americans still don't know that Hillary is actually rich without doing an honest days labor. Trump *still* has not told them!

    Left White House broke, now 150 million. No business, not playing center field for the Yankees, not even practicing law. Simply legal bribery from Wall Street and foreign banks--buying influence. Trust me these are smart people, they have about as much interest in listening to Hillary speak as in having their fingernails pulled. It's simply a mafia type shakedown. Pay us and we'll protect you.

    --> Hillary's record.
    The highpoints:
    lawyer -- getting off the rapist
    Ark first lady -- "keep quiet" enforcer
    First lady -- health care task force debacle
    Senator -- Iraq war vote
    Sec. of State -- destabilizing Libya and Syria and created refugee crisis
    "A consistent record of failure." "No one would think for a second that someone with this record should be President of the United States ... the only reason she was able to get the nomination--is she's Bill Clinton's wife, and so had raised a ton of money from Wall Street as people don't want to be on the wrong side of the Clintons."

    --> Email scandal
    If you're going to keep yapping about the email scandal then say clearly what it's about. Hillary was trying to hide her emails from Freedom of the Information act, so the favors she was doing requested by Clinton Foundation contributors couldn't be exposed. When asked to turn them over ... she erased them.

    --> Will to power\entitlement
    If you're going to complement Hillary, it's exactly what Trump said--determination. But please spin it properly. "Hillary is determined. She just feels *entitled* to be president. When President Obama ran and beat her--she felt cheated. Many people would have thought, "darn it missed my chance" and would retire and let the next generations of Democrats have a chance. That would have been the best thing for the nation--this is a republic we don't need anymore Bushes or Clintons as President. But again Hillary really feels *entitled* to be president. She has a tremendous need to be president. Tremendous drive--i'll give her that."

    --> Russia and War
    Hillary's Russia war mongering is stupid, wrong and dangerous. We have our national interests. Who the dictator of Syria is, is *not* a critical national interest of the United States. We may have to risk conflict and war with Russia, but only when they are threatening the critical national interests of the United States. We won't risk war with Russia over their support of a Syrian dictator. We can engage them, make our concerns know, encourage them to see things our way. But again who the dictator of Syria is, is simply not a critical national interest of the United States. Hillary's war mongering stupidity here is precisely why 90 generals and admirals have endorsed me for President. The want a commander in chief who can understand what is and is not a critical national interst worth risking military conflict.

    --> Invade the World, Invite the World.
    It's awesome--just say it and explain it. People will get it. It will stick, it will move the conversation and sway folks' minds. Just *say it*.

    --> Amnesty.
    Hillary favors amnesty. And any amnesty means more people will flood in anticipation of *another* amnesty.

    --> Immigration and jobs.
    Hillary favors open borders. You simply can not have open borders and rising incomes. Period. You can not open the US to the world labor market and not have the working and middle classes take it on the chin. Jobs, income inequality, housing, schools, roads congestion, crime, the environment ... everything is being made worse by mass immigration.

    --> One nation.
    Perfect setup for Trump with the black guy's question--and he still can't do it.
    Simple answer, Hillary's in the politics of division. She's got a line for the blacks--the policy are out to kill you. She's got a line for Hispanics--being for a wall is racist. She's got a line for women--Trump doesn't respect you. She's got a line for muslims--Trump is racist. She's got a pitch to almost everyone but working class people--you are deplorable.

    Here's my deal. I don't have all these pitches to every slice of the electorate. My pitch is simple: I'm on your side, because i'm on the side of *Americans*. I'm going to work for your interest not as a black, or Hispanic or white or Asian or man or woman but as an *American*. I'm going to fight for your job, your security, your opportunity, your children's future.

    ~~~
    Anyway, much, much better tonight but man what a frustrating guy to carry the nationalist banner. His cause is so good. The arguments are so solid. And Hillary is such a soft target. Trump's inability to really nail it ... just drives one nuts.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Anonymous, @Steve Sailer, @Abe

    –> Invade the World, Invite the World.
    It’s awesome–just say it and explain it. People will get it. It will stick, it will move the conversation and sway folks’ minds. Just *say it*.

    I’ve been saying it for over ten years.

    I thought it was pretty catchy. Yet, it’s turned out to be so anti-viral that Merck should bottle it and give everybody an injection of it before flu season.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Steve Sailer

    I think your regular readers are just too polite to cold spike one of your signature lines, otherwise I'm sure it would be all over Zero Hedge and Breitbart by now. But don't worry, the day is coming.

    Replies: @SFG

    , @Desiderius
    @Steve Sailer


    I thought it was pretty catchy. Yet, it’s turned out to be so anti-viral that Merck should bottle it and give everybody an injection of it before flu season.
     
    As a dear friend now passed on used to tell me:

    Patience, jackass, patience.
    , @AnotherDad
    @Steve Sailer


    I thought it was pretty catchy. Yet, it’s turned out to be so anti-viral that Merck should bottle it and give everybody an injection of it before flu season.
     
    It is catchy. But it works best when applied to a particular candidate to mock *their* specific policies.

    For Bush, the Democrats wouldn't use it because waving in the muzzies instead of keeping them out--just peachy. For Obama, the Republican establishment couldn't use it because they were all behind the "invade" part.

    Finally we have a candidate in Trump ideologically can use it and in Hillary such a perfect target as she's so passionate both about sticking her nose in and destabilizing whatever Arab dictatorship attracts her attention, and then about waving the detritus on in here to rub our noses in diversity. (A busybody--"The Protestant Church lady from hell".)

    It's the perfect meeting of quip and opportunity and Trump ... just doesn't say it!
    , @reiner Tor
    @Steve Sailer

    I personally like it.

    , @SteveRogers42
    @Steve Sailer

    Add: "In hock to the world."

  345. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    @biz

    Welcome to the Unz Review, where disbarred lawyers and angry Russians argue over whether the Twin Towers were destroyed by nuclear weapons or Israeli holograms. We should be thankful this latest lunatic hasn't brought up The Jewish Menace yet.

    Replies: @anonitron1, @BenKenobi, @vinteuil, @biz, @SFG, @Lot

    What is your issue with the one disbarred lawyer who posts here under his own name?

    His comments, as far as I can remember, are generally interesting.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    @Lot

    Which disbarred lawyer are we talking about? And why was he disbarred? I wouldn't hold it against him.

    Replies: @D. K.

  346. @AnotherDad
    Trump was much, much better but man is he a *frustrating* guy to have as your champion

    --> Hillary's private remarks.
    Swing from his private remarks--which are Trumpian braggadocio fundamentally about nothing consequential to Americans--to her private remarks about her dream of open borders.

    --> Vetting
    Hillary's refugee vetting ... it's complete nonsense. They can't do it. Machado coming up yet again was a golden opportunity to make the point. Hillary plan this for six months and couldn't adequately vet Machado who had *published* stories about her past ... and she's going to vet all these refugees about whom we know absolutely nothing.

    --> Islamaphobia
    It's b.s. Americans are an incredible tolerant people and have shown that in their treatment of muslims even after 911 and all the other terrorist atrocities. There is a problem in the muslim community with terrorism and other people have an entirely natural reaction to it. Muslims need to fix the problem in their community not whine about people reacting to it.

    --> Trump ISIS recruiter
    Just say: "This Hillary talking point is even more stupid than usual. I've been a candidate for a year and a half. ISIS was born and flourished under Hillary's watch. Islamic terrorists aren't waiting around to kill people ... they've been doing it for years. Hillary's telling Americans "hey don't notice what's going on". She expects us to be quivering in fear so we don't offend the people who want to kill us. How pathetic.

    --> How did Hillary get rich.
    Average Americans still don't know that Hillary is actually rich without doing an honest days labor. Trump *still* has not told them!

    Left White House broke, now 150 million. No business, not playing center field for the Yankees, not even practicing law. Simply legal bribery from Wall Street and foreign banks--buying influence. Trust me these are smart people, they have about as much interest in listening to Hillary speak as in having their fingernails pulled. It's simply a mafia type shakedown. Pay us and we'll protect you.

    --> Hillary's record.
    The highpoints:
    lawyer -- getting off the rapist
    Ark first lady -- "keep quiet" enforcer
    First lady -- health care task force debacle
    Senator -- Iraq war vote
    Sec. of State -- destabilizing Libya and Syria and created refugee crisis
    "A consistent record of failure." "No one would think for a second that someone with this record should be President of the United States ... the only reason she was able to get the nomination--is she's Bill Clinton's wife, and so had raised a ton of money from Wall Street as people don't want to be on the wrong side of the Clintons."

    --> Email scandal
    If you're going to keep yapping about the email scandal then say clearly what it's about. Hillary was trying to hide her emails from Freedom of the Information act, so the favors she was doing requested by Clinton Foundation contributors couldn't be exposed. When asked to turn them over ... she erased them.

    --> Will to power\entitlement
    If you're going to complement Hillary, it's exactly what Trump said--determination. But please spin it properly. "Hillary is determined. She just feels *entitled* to be president. When President Obama ran and beat her--she felt cheated. Many people would have thought, "darn it missed my chance" and would retire and let the next generations of Democrats have a chance. That would have been the best thing for the nation--this is a republic we don't need anymore Bushes or Clintons as President. But again Hillary really feels *entitled* to be president. She has a tremendous need to be president. Tremendous drive--i'll give her that."

    --> Russia and War
    Hillary's Russia war mongering is stupid, wrong and dangerous. We have our national interests. Who the dictator of Syria is, is *not* a critical national interest of the United States. We may have to risk conflict and war with Russia, but only when they are threatening the critical national interests of the United States. We won't risk war with Russia over their support of a Syrian dictator. We can engage them, make our concerns know, encourage them to see things our way. But again who the dictator of Syria is, is simply not a critical national interest of the United States. Hillary's war mongering stupidity here is precisely why 90 generals and admirals have endorsed me for President. The want a commander in chief who can understand what is and is not a critical national interst worth risking military conflict.

    --> Invade the World, Invite the World.
    It's awesome--just say it and explain it. People will get it. It will stick, it will move the conversation and sway folks' minds. Just *say it*.

    --> Amnesty.
    Hillary favors amnesty. And any amnesty means more people will flood in anticipation of *another* amnesty.

    --> Immigration and jobs.
    Hillary favors open borders. You simply can not have open borders and rising incomes. Period. You can not open the US to the world labor market and not have the working and middle classes take it on the chin. Jobs, income inequality, housing, schools, roads congestion, crime, the environment ... everything is being made worse by mass immigration.

    --> One nation.
    Perfect setup for Trump with the black guy's question--and he still can't do it.
    Simple answer, Hillary's in the politics of division. She's got a line for the blacks--the policy are out to kill you. She's got a line for Hispanics--being for a wall is racist. She's got a line for women--Trump doesn't respect you. She's got a line for muslims--Trump is racist. She's got a pitch to almost everyone but working class people--you are deplorable.

    Here's my deal. I don't have all these pitches to every slice of the electorate. My pitch is simple: I'm on your side, because i'm on the side of *Americans*. I'm going to work for your interest not as a black, or Hispanic or white or Asian or man or woman but as an *American*. I'm going to fight for your job, your security, your opportunity, your children's future.

    ~~~
    Anyway, much, much better tonight but man what a frustrating guy to carry the nationalist banner. His cause is so good. The arguments are so solid. And Hillary is such a soft target. Trump's inability to really nail it ... just drives one nuts.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Anonymous, @Steve Sailer, @Abe

    Anyway, much, much better tonight but man what a frustrating guy to carry the nationalist banner. His cause is so good. The arguments are so solid. And Hillary is such a soft target. Trump’s inability to really nail it … just drives one nuts.

    My thoughts-

    At the beginning, thought it could turn into a total rout for Trump. He looked terrible (eyes puffy, like he had either not slept the previous night or been up crying or both) and his demeanor was bad. Then came the p-grab scandal questions- as a man all this faux outrage just makes my blood boil! It’s not 1900, the panel moderators are not Edith Wharton and Henry James (in the Anderson Cooper, low-flaming gay role), and Trump had not just been accused by the Irish coachman of lifting the hem of the dress so as to lewdly stare at the ankle of one Miss Marblesworth.

    Hillary looked much stronger to me than last time, and she came out tough, though then again I thought her “seethe smiles” and phony laughter in the first debate would turn off a lot of voters, so what do I know? But after a strong start about Trump’s pattern of behavior she downshifted into phony “America’s been always great/not who we are” pablum and lost her chance for a knock-out. Also by putting the scandal questions up front (or not stacking the audience so as to bring up variations of it all night long) they miscalculated and let Trump put it behind him. His response wasn’t great, he looked very uncomfortable giving it, but he got through it and got much stronger as the night went on- again, tactical mistake to bring it up so early, because by even being on that stage he looked more and more Presidential.

    As you say, lot of frustrating moments, especially a silly diversion into his Pennsylvania Ave. hotel deal and his taxes (on a question that did not even directly raise these). In fact, it was to Clinton’s awful, AWFUL invocation of Abraham Lincoln with the tacky faux Hollywood-insider namedropping throw-in (“my good friend, Stephen Spielberg, whose totally ‘masterclass’ movie about the life of that great President…”). Really missed an opportunity to tear into her on the “public face/private face” Wikileak, but ridiculing the notion that “honest Abe” would condone this type of two-facedness was probably good enough, and quicker thinking on his feet than I could have been capable of.

    Anyway, bunch of other missed opportunities: when Clinton brought up her experience in hunting bin Laden, should have pointed out drone strike program information was cited by Comey as some of the most damaging material on her server; or on an otherwise very good point about having no idea who the “good rebels” are in Syria, forgot to mention the fiasco of us having spent 100’s of millions to train less than 100 (less than 10?) rebels. Trump has a demonstrated inability to do the grind-work cramming expected of conventional candidates (as Steve said, his healthcare answer is weak and has not improved in all these months; his reiteration of ISIS drowning people in cages has been his go-to since Jeb! was still in the race and has not gotten any fresher) but overall I think he gave as good as he got, and just by remaining on his feet at the end served his most important purpose- to go into the 3rd debate with the contest still being up for grabs.

  347. Good night everybody! Trump hit it out of the park tonight! He was excellent tonight! …sooo happy! – he’s got the same autumn issues as far as his nose, btw – I have to wear a Breath-Right tape every night now. And, I don’t look hot with that! And, Ivanka, of all the Trump kids, finally wore the Arnold Palmer-Augusta Green dress I was looking for! Ivanka, and her brothers, & wives & sister, so good. Get some sleep everybody! Love you all, really glad life is good 🙂

  348. @Pat Hannagan
    @Lagertha

    if you only saw me now!

    Why, what are you wearing?

    This isn't one of those Buffalo Bill things from Silence of the Lambs is it, because I assure you I'm just not into that sort of thing.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    well, I’m going to sleep. Just don’t be a jack-ass to the girl you like but have never really made an effort to say to her that she matters to you.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    @Lagertha

    You Bosnians crack me up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0qls7b5oAY

    One for you. Sleep tight, don't let the Ummah bite!

  349. @Steve Sailer
    @AnotherDad

    –> Invade the World, Invite the World.
    It’s awesome–just say it and explain it. People will get it. It will stick, it will move the conversation and sway folks’ minds. Just *say it*.


    I've been saying it for over ten years.

    I thought it was pretty catchy. Yet, it's turned out to be so anti-viral that Merck should bottle it and give everybody an injection of it before flu season.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Desiderius, @AnotherDad, @reiner Tor, @SteveRogers42

    I think your regular readers are just too polite to cold spike one of your signature lines, otherwise I’m sure it would be all over Zero Hedge and Breitbart by now. But don’t worry, the day is coming.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Weigel already mentioned it, if I remember right. Everyone reads Steve, nobody admits it.

  350. @Lagertha
    @Pat Hannagan

    well, I'm going to sleep. Just don't be a jack-ass to the girl you like but have never really made an effort to say to her that she matters to you.

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

    You Bosnians crack me up.

    One for you. Sleep tight, don’t let the Ummah bite!

  351. General thoughts:

    1. Trump’s performance was the reverse of the first debate, where he started strong then fell apart. Here, he started out terrible but kept getting better and better as he found his groove.

    2. I know he’s not popular with iSteve folks, but it would have been really fun to watch Ted Cruz in this debate. Time and again, Clinton kept leaving huge openings that it would have been nice to see someone drive a truck through at full speed.

    3. Threatening to put Clinton in jail was major-league ballsy, a huge gamble — and I think it worked. At first I started to feel outraged when Trump said it, thinking he had crossed a line, but the more I thought about it, the smarter it seemed for Trump to “go there.” That’s one shot even Cruz would have been scared to take.

    4. Also ballsy, and another shot Cruz would have passed up: Saying Clinton had “hate in her heart.” But she was the one who opened that can of worms.

    5. Clinton is incredibly bad on Syria, and the Middle East in general. Trump should really sharpen his attacks here, because IMHO it’s her most glaring weakness for undecided voters. Jelly-spined moderates may not like Trump for any number of reasons, but do they really want more endless wars in worthless shitholes? Do they really want a nuclear war with Russia?

    • Agree: Coemgen
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Mr. Blank

    Cruz's skill as a debater is offset by his unctuous inauthenticity. Occam's razor suggests Trump is the nominee because he was the best candidate overall. Maybe 2nd to Cruz as a debater, tied with Cruz on immigration (after Cruz copied him), closer to the base than Cruz on trade and foreign policy, but more authentic.

    Cruz is the kind of candidate who switches into a plaid shirt on the way to the state fair. Trump goes dressed like Thurston Howell.

    , @Jack D
    @Mr. Blank

    If Cruz is such a great debater, why isn't he the nominee?

    Threatening Hillary with jail was not a good move - now she knows that winning is a matter of life and death. That is part of Trump's problem - he doesn't need this job that badly. In fact, his life will probably be better if he loses and on some level he knows that.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @TangoMan

  352. @SFG
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    It's the 'excluded media' site, it's going to have a few nutjobs. The 'gang of misfits' vibe is part of the appeal, I have to admit.

    Personally I think Bush knew about it and ignored it so he'd have carte blanche to invade Iraq, but that's just me.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    The destruction of all those SEC records in Bldg. 7 takes it from the realm of ridiculous to marginally plausible.

  353. @jon
    @Steve Sailer


    Link?
     
    This gives some of the background details:

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/07/media/access-hollywood-donald-trump-tape/index.html

    They were planning to run a story on Monday (probably waiting for Hillary to drop the issue in the debate, but they obviously don't mention that). Someone at NBC, though, tipped of Farenthold at the Post, and contacted NBC and let them know that he was running the story that same day.

    Replies: @Abe

    Thanks, this is the story I was referring to. Sorry for mixing up the details of who leaked it early- I have not followed the JOURNO-list details of this that closely, so I guess ACCESS HOLLYWOOD is the one that originally recorded it and WAPO is the one who leaked it early. But was certainly right about NBC having it canned and ready-to-go after the debate, with Hillary obviously primed tonight to give the Fuhrer Directive to start running with it until WAPO spoiled their fun.

    I’m sure they even had/have a 3-for-3 strategy lined up of Clinton name-dropping some different scandal at the end of each debate for the media to run with. Given that pig’s hubris I wouldn’t doubt a catchy name for it had been devised, the galleys complete for a campaign biography detailing how it all went down, drafts for the more serious academic monograph detailing how this strategy is to be executed by one Prof. Dickweed (deriguer reading in every graduate poly-sci program from now till the Sun explodes), and Robert Altman lined up to make the film- TRUMP’S WOMEN.

  354. @Steve Sailer
    @AnotherDad

    –> Invade the World, Invite the World.
    It’s awesome–just say it and explain it. People will get it. It will stick, it will move the conversation and sway folks’ minds. Just *say it*.


    I've been saying it for over ten years.

    I thought it was pretty catchy. Yet, it's turned out to be so anti-viral that Merck should bottle it and give everybody an injection of it before flu season.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Desiderius, @AnotherDad, @reiner Tor, @SteveRogers42

    I thought it was pretty catchy. Yet, it’s turned out to be so anti-viral that Merck should bottle it and give everybody an injection of it before flu season.

    As a dear friend now passed on used to tell me:

    Patience, jackass, patience.

  355. One more thought: As in the Republican debates, Trump showed tonight that he does really well when he controls his temper and refuses to fall for the “Look, Donald! A squirrel!” trick which is, hands down, his biggest weakness. “Don’t chase the squirrel — it’s a trap,” should be stapled to the inside of Trump’s eyelids by his campaign manager.

  356. @Mr. Blank
    General thoughts:

    1. Trump's performance was the reverse of the first debate, where he started strong then fell apart. Here, he started out terrible but kept getting better and better as he found his groove.

    2. I know he's not popular with iSteve folks, but it would have been really fun to watch Ted Cruz in this debate. Time and again, Clinton kept leaving huge openings that it would have been nice to see someone drive a truck through at full speed.

    3. Threatening to put Clinton in jail was major-league ballsy, a huge gamble -- and I think it worked. At first I started to feel outraged when Trump said it, thinking he had crossed a line, but the more I thought about it, the smarter it seemed for Trump to "go there." That's one shot even Cruz would have been scared to take.

    4. Also ballsy, and another shot Cruz would have passed up: Saying Clinton had "hate in her heart." But she was the one who opened that can of worms.

    5. Clinton is incredibly bad on Syria, and the Middle East in general. Trump should really sharpen his attacks here, because IMHO it's her most glaring weakness for undecided voters. Jelly-spined moderates may not like Trump for any number of reasons, but do they really want more endless wars in worthless shitholes? Do they really want a nuclear war with Russia?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Jack D

    Cruz’s skill as a debater is offset by his unctuous inauthenticity. Occam’s razor suggests Trump is the nominee because he was the best candidate overall. Maybe 2nd to Cruz as a debater, tied with Cruz on immigration (after Cruz copied him), closer to the base than Cruz on trade and foreign policy, but more authentic.

    Cruz is the kind of candidate who switches into a plaid shirt on the way to the state fair. Trump goes dressed like Thurston Howell.

  357. On a sobering note, Trump came in from 4.75 to 4.3 right now on Sportsbet. British markets had him 4.5 now at 4 to 3.5. Hillary went out a tad but not much.

    Hillary started at 1.24 went to 1.28 and now settled at 1.26.

    Good shot from the locker-room by Trump but still plenty to do.

    He will need all his years of rat-cunning property-developer bastardry, combined with grandiloquent bombasity to bring him home yet, and definitely a few shock-grenades thrown HRC’s way to get back to level-pegging at least but this punter’s doubling up, ’cause I think he can.

    For Trump. Get that 18 wheeler rolling!

  358. @Marie
    Just retweeted by Joyce Carol Oates:

    "Note to my male friends who might not realize: Trump's standing behind her is a bullying tactic. Abusive men do this to us all the time."

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @guest, @Vendetta, @Kylie

  359. @Johnnywalker123
    New YouGov poll. Clinton wins 47 to 42.

    The CNN poll is less accurate than YouGov because CNN has a disproportionate share of Democrats in their sample. In CNN's defense, they include more Democrats because Dems are more likely to be debate watchers. If you want a better sense of how the general public thinks, you need to weight statistically for that - as YouGov did.

    So it appears that this was an even debate.

    Replies: @Tsar Nicholas

    I don’t trust yougov at all. The polls are being altered in a way to suggest Hitlery is winning and that will make any voter fraud on the day less obvious.

    Clinton News Network gave it to Hitlery 57-34 if memory serves me – their “instant poll” coming out 100 minutes after the end of the debate.

    Trump turned in an indifferent perfromance in the first debate, but he won this hands down. Hitlery’s Parkinson’s symptoms were on the edge of manifesting themselves towards the end.

  360. @guest
    @Abe

    The whole "P disagrees with VP" thing always trips me up, Democratic or Republican. Seriously, I'm not saying this because I back Trump. I always, always forget why I'm supposed to care. "Who gives a crap?" is my knee-jerk response. I have to put my brain back in the media mind prison and bang it against the wall for a few minutes to remember.

    Political campaigns are advertising campaigns, literally. They must have unified messages, and blah, blah, blah. Who cares, really? It's not as if one is calling for nuclear war and the other for unilateral disarmament. This is why I despise the MSM.

    Replies: @Thea

    I’m of the belief that VPs have little to do with election results. Unless he picked David Duke, it doesn’t really matter who the VP is.

  361. @Flip
    @Anon

    Idaho

    Replies: @fnn

    Maybe not for long. Wikipedia says, “As of 2011, 27.2% of Idaho’s children under the age of one belonged to racial or ethnic minority groups, meaning that they had at least one parent who was not non-Hispanic white.”

    • Replies: @Flip
    @fnn

    Well, Mexican mestizos are pretty tractable in dealing with upper class whites.

  362. @Tiny Duck
    I don't know if Hillary wins this, but no one better claim Trump won...talk about a disaster...

    Replies: @gilgongo

    Trump won.

  363. @Moshe
    He should have been better. On fire. Having fun.

    He was better than last time but he interrupted and whined too much.

    When he's having fun he does well. He might need a precipitous slump this week so that he stops taking this election seriously and start having fun again.

    He should have let his zingers stick and not keep repeating them.

    He should have defended white people and spoken about law and order. And The Wall.

    But yeah, he wasn't as horrible as last time. And the fact that he has a low bar to clear may make him appear like the winner.

    But ultimately he does NOT win when he plays politician and talks about the issues. He wins when he seduces the people to vote for him. And seduction is different than drawing up a balance sheet.

    He needs to fire ALL his advisers and just go to town.

    Replies: @Danindc

    Agreed. He needs to stop being a spaz. It’s looks unseemly. Trump is a golfer. A good one at that. You can’t spaz out and make a ten-foot birdie putt to win a match. You need to relax, breathe deeply and concentrate. Most of all relax. He’s getting better though.

  364. @George
    @Lot

    Two possibilities for hope. First polling techniques from the landline and snail mail world of the past no longer work either because they don't predict preference or they don't predict turnout. Second, the same newspapers that insist Trump will be Putin's pawn while declaring nuclear war on Russia are conducting fraudulent polls. Third, maybe they are right some 16 yo autistic hacker in some unpronounceable Russian village will hack the election results.

    Replies: @Romanian

    I’m already saving money for a good deal from my next door hacker hub 😉

    http://motherboard.vice.com/read/inside-hackerville-romanias-infamous-cyber-crime-hub

  365. @res
    @BB753


    His prancing and strutting up and down the stage was a bit irritating, but I guess it was a strategy to intimidate Hillary or maybe even trigger a seizure.
     
    There were times when it looked to me like he was trying to work the different camera angles. There was one sequence where they kept switching the view of Hillary (while she was speaking) and each time Trump adjusted his position in the background. Did anyone else think this or have another idea of what he was trying to do?

    Replies: @anonymous, @FX Enderby, @BB753

    Yes, he was also trying to get a better camera angle to tower over Hillary. Very smart.
    If I was on the Trump team I’d try to find out a way to exploit Hillary’s neurological issues. There must be surefire ways to make her suffer a seizure or make her freeze by putting extreme stress on her during debating.

  366. @Marie
    They're so outraged and scared right now, Eric Holder is forced to grit his teeth while pretending that he doesn't believe all white people are inherently racist in order to furiously Tweet like he's Thomas Jefferson.

    What a very, very joyous time it is to be alive.

    Replies: @Dissident

    The first time I saw a photo of Eric Holder, I thought, “That guy barely looks black!”. Seems ironic.

  367. @Lagertha
    @SFG

    I touched a nerve...aahww - Don't protect liarss if you are in a position of power. We all need to take the fracking liars down in this country, for God's sake! My grandfathers marched the communists to the eastern border and told them to keep walking...it was winter, but those were the choices. Death is a choice for true believers...like jihadies.

    Replies: @Dissident, @SFG

    Huh? Where did SFG suggest anything about “protecting liars”?

  368. LAT / USC daily tracking poll:

    . . .

    Friday, 10/7: Trump +3.1%

    Saturday, 10/8: Trump +2.8%

    Sunday, 10/9: Trump +3.1%

    * * *

    In other words, the Trump-Bush tape revelation, on Friday, barely moved the preference needle, on Saturday, and was a total washout, by Sunday. Early tomorrow morning, we shall see how much the second debate has moved the needle. Clinton had a minute lead on Sunday, 9/11. On Monday, 9/12, after Clinton’s 9/11 collapse at Ground Zero, Trump surged into the lead. Since then, that lead has ranged from a low of 1.8% to an high of 6.7%. Whether this particular poll turns out to be accurate, come 11/8, it is clear that this supposedly mortal wound to Trump’s campaign was much ado about nothing. “Paging Dr. Seinfeld! Paging Dr. Seinfeld!”

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @D. K.

    P.S. For anyone left wondering whether Trump's lead already had collapsed, on 10/7, the very day of the now-infamous 2005 video's first public exposure:

    Thursday, 10/6: Trump +2.6%

    No, it had not; his lead increased by half of a percentage point, from Thursday to Friday.

    , @Mark F.
    @D. K.

    The debate probably will have little to no effect. This polling organization is an outlier, however. Almost everyone else is showing Clinton winning.

    Replies: @D. K.

    , @LondonBob
    @D. K.

    The race ended when Hillary collapsed on 9/11, media are in make believe world.

    Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond

  369. @Hail
    @Marie


    Sam Francis is up in heaven...watching and smiling
     
    Francis' "Middle American Radical" turned out to be a billionaire out of Manhattan.

    Replies: @Perplexed

    A billionaire out of Queens—an outerborough boy. (“Bridge and tunnel,” as the snobs say.)

  370. @D. K.
    LAT / USC daily tracking poll:

    . . .

    Friday, 10/7: Trump +3.1%

    Saturday, 10/8: Trump +2.8%

    Sunday, 10/9: Trump +3.1%

    * * *

    In other words, the Trump-Bush tape revelation, on Friday, barely moved the preference needle, on Saturday, and was a total washout, by Sunday. Early tomorrow morning, we shall see how much the second debate has moved the needle. Clinton had a minute lead on Sunday, 9/11. On Monday, 9/12, after Clinton's 9/11 collapse at Ground Zero, Trump surged into the lead. Since then, that lead has ranged from a low of 1.8% to an high of 6.7%. Whether this particular poll turns out to be accurate, come 11/8, it is clear that this supposedly mortal wound to Trump's campaign was much ado about nothing. "Paging Dr. Seinfeld! Paging Dr. Seinfeld!"

    Replies: @D. K., @Mark F., @LondonBob

    P.S. For anyone left wondering whether Trump’s lead already had collapsed, on 10/7, the very day of the now-infamous 2005 video’s first public exposure:

    Thursday, 10/6: Trump +2.6%

    No, it had not; his lead increased by half of a percentage point, from Thursday to Friday.

  371. @Mr. Blank
    General thoughts:

    1. Trump's performance was the reverse of the first debate, where he started strong then fell apart. Here, he started out terrible but kept getting better and better as he found his groove.

    2. I know he's not popular with iSteve folks, but it would have been really fun to watch Ted Cruz in this debate. Time and again, Clinton kept leaving huge openings that it would have been nice to see someone drive a truck through at full speed.

    3. Threatening to put Clinton in jail was major-league ballsy, a huge gamble -- and I think it worked. At first I started to feel outraged when Trump said it, thinking he had crossed a line, but the more I thought about it, the smarter it seemed for Trump to "go there." That's one shot even Cruz would have been scared to take.

    4. Also ballsy, and another shot Cruz would have passed up: Saying Clinton had "hate in her heart." But she was the one who opened that can of worms.

    5. Clinton is incredibly bad on Syria, and the Middle East in general. Trump should really sharpen his attacks here, because IMHO it's her most glaring weakness for undecided voters. Jelly-spined moderates may not like Trump for any number of reasons, but do they really want more endless wars in worthless shitholes? Do they really want a nuclear war with Russia?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Jack D

    If Cruz is such a great debater, why isn’t he the nominee?

    Threatening Hillary with jail was not a good move – now she knows that winning is a matter of life and death. That is part of Trump’s problem – he doesn’t need this job that badly. In fact, his life will probably be better if he loses and on some level he knows that.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Jack D


    Threatening Hillary with jail was not a good move – now she knows that winning is a matter of life and death.
     
    My thought exactly.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @TangoMan
    @Jack D

    Trump needs to win in order to salvage his reputation. Winners write the history. A Clinton victory assures that Trump's name is mud, that America was saved from a tyrant who was on the path to becoming a new Hitler. Then there are going to be the weaponized agencies going after Trump and his family. Then the social ostracism where the Trumps become toxic.

    Trump needs to win and put his own stamp on history.

  372. @Lot
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    What is your issue with the one disbarred lawyer who posts here under his own name?

    His comments, as far as I can remember, are generally interesting.

    Replies: @Romanian

    Which disbarred lawyer are we talking about? And why was he disbarred? I wouldn’t hold it against him.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Romanian

    http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Member/Detail/183617

    Happy anniversary to 'Little Stevie' Diamond, whose taint exceeds his bloodline!

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  373. @Lot
    @SFG


    the two Jewish guys
     
    I had no idea about Charles Erwin Wilson.

    To be precise, I am an atheist who was baptized and raised Christian with parents who are Ashkenazi on one side and on the other mostly German with a little English and Swedish. My Jewish grandparents were completely secular and celebrated Christmas and Easter. Not at a church, but easter egg hunts and chocolate rabbits. My gentile side also is more fertile so most of my aunts, uncles, and cousins are non-Jewish.

    Replies: @Jack D, @SFG, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    You can hunt all the Easter eggs you want, but the taint is in the blood.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Jack D

    While I personally like observing certain patterns, it's purpose is not genocidal, but educational, to allow for self-improvement for those whose behavior might have some undesirable patterns, and also to help those dealing with these people so that they know to be careful.

    So no taint in the blood, just an interesting pattern, which is helpful to those who want better understanding of the world, which in my opinion is ultimately beneficial to all. A political system built on suppressing easily observable patterns will lead to a mess and is ultimately not sustainable (hence the current mess), so I don't think it's very safe to rely on such a system to protect you. Better face reality and try improving it. (If it needs improvement. I don't think it's even harmful to engage in online betting activity over Trump's chances, which are probably underpriced on the market.)

    Replies: @SFG

    , @SFG
    @Jack D

    I was trying to gently kid--I figured we'd all heard worse around here. Besides, I'm no cleaner than he is. ;)

  374. @Romanian
    @Lot

    Which disbarred lawyer are we talking about? And why was he disbarred? I wouldn't hold it against him.

    Replies: @D. K.

    http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Member/Detail/183617

    Happy anniversary to ‘Little Stevie’ Diamond, whose taint exceeds his bloodline!

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @D. K.

    He's using his own name, respect that. We can share this information with those who have missed it (if you hadn't done so, I'd have done it myself; if he had a problem with it he could've simply chosen a pseudonym), but gloating over it seems distasteful to me. Besides, his comments are usually interesting, even if I rarely agree with them.

    Replies: @D. K.

  375. @Anonymous
    @Pat Hannagan

    As Ambrose Bierce put it: "Misogynist: a man who hates women as much as women hate each other."
    @lagertha is very obviously a woman, Pat, which is why she has fewer illusions than you apparently do. Anyway, cheers man.

    Replies: @Dissident

    An updated definition of “misogynist”: Anyone who opposes abortion or doesn’t think taxpayers and employers should be forced to pay for contraceptives for women.

  376. @jon
    @Opinionator


    What does its being late in Autumn have to do with it?
     
    Not a lot of flies in late Autumn.

    Replies: @Dissident

    But we’re still in early autumn.

    • Replies: @jon
    @Dissident


    But we’re still in early autumn.
     
    We get snow in November. Ski season is going full tilt by December. Not much Autumn left where I live.
  377. @Anon
    Hillary's main problem as a campaigner is that she's Polonius in a pantsuit. She's a silly old windbag who doesn't understand that she's the biggest bore in the room. She's as boring as Al Gore, but with a foul reek of corruption that even Gore didn't have at that stage.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @David In TN

    “Hillary’s main problem as a campaigner is that she’s Polonius in a pantsuit.”

    Thanks for mentioning good old Polonius. It reminded me of something. During Jimmy Carter’s presidency, National Review (right-wing in those days) discussed Carter’s press coverage early on. They described the famous columnist James Reston as a “Polonius-like courtier.”

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
    @David In TN

    I think her main problem is that the people didn't want her in 2008 and they look like they still don't want her.

  378. Hillary looked like Nostferatu with her hairdo and outfit. Trump’s hair and tan don’t seem that scary in comparison.
    .

  379. Top BBC story:

    US presidential debate: Clinton doubts Trump ‘groping’ apology

    Hillary Clinton has cast doubt on Donald Trump’s apology for remarks made 11 years ago about groping women.

    Bold move, Hillary. Because the only ones who care about this are Hillary voters, the media, and Republican pol backstabbers neutralized by Trump sticking it to the Clintons like Republican voters have always wanted.

  380. I didn’t get the chance to watch the debate last night but when I last checked before I went to bed around midnight the Drudge poll had Trump winning by about 90%, now it’s down to 67%.

    Was it really that close or have Clinton staffers been putting in overtime flooding the poll on her behalf?

  381. @Dr. X
    Trump ABSOLUTELY won... but the media talking heads are now trying to downplay it and some of them are even giving Hillary the debate! Crazy.

    Trump did great tonight... the media flacks are trying to spin it otherwise.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Corvinus

    “Trump ABSOLUTELY won… but the media talking heads are now trying to downplay it and some of them are even giving Hillary the debate! Crazy.”

    Yes, Trump “won” by restating the obvious over and over again. Is that going to magically change people’s minds that Hillary is also a deplorable? It’s not as if the general public learned anything new about her character.

    Nate Silver has Hillary winning the election 82% of the time in his model.

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

    Certainly, his projections could be off, and Trump may end up winning, albeit it is appears unlikely.

  382. @Kylie
    @Hibernian

    A lot of the St. Louis Metro area is liberal. STL and KCMO went blue the last two presidential elections, as did Columbia, MO, IIRC.

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @JimL

    St. Louis County is now about 25% black which caused it to flip from typically voting 55% plus Republican to voting 55% plus for most Democrats. In addition, higher income inner ring suburbs like Clayton and Webster Groves have moved hard to the Democrats–I think Romney may have barely cleared a third of the vote in Clayton and was around 40% in Webster, which I believe voted 2 to 1 for Gerald Ford

  383. @Percy Gryce
    "Because you'd be in jail." I can't tell if Trump's special prosecutor gambit is a good idea or not. I think we generally move on after elections. Threatening to prosecute the losing side is a dicey move, IMHO.

    Replies: @newrouter, @The Z Blog, @Hibernian, @Difference Maker, @Lot, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    Reddit moderators saw fit to delete a popular post about this (Well, Donald Trump Just Threatened to Throw Hillary Clinton in Jail from Slate) because it didn’t play out that anti-Trump. After all, Redditors were calling for the same when Sanders was still in the running.

  384. @Percy Gryce
    "Because you'd be in jail." I can't tell if Trump's special prosecutor gambit is a good idea or not. I think we generally move on after elections. Threatening to prosecute the losing side is a dicey move, IMHO.

    Replies: @newrouter, @The Z Blog, @Hibernian, @Difference Maker, @Lot, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    “Because you’d be in jail.” I can’t tell if Trump’s special prosecutor gambit is a good idea or not. I think we generally move on after elections. Threatening to prosecute the losing side is a dicey move, IMHO.

    “Because you’d be in jail” quip is fine.

    The special prosecutor thing, i thought was counter productive. (Especially because Trump still hasn’t explained why she was doing it–skirting FOI to do favors for Clinton Foundation clients.)

    “Something more like, “FBI director James Comey basically said the evidence was substantial and you’d be prosecuted … except for the fact you’re Hillary Clinton and running for President. I’d seriously considered appointing a special prosecutor if i was elected. But really American just needs to see the *end* of the Clinton era. Take all the bribes Wall Street, Goldman Sachs, the Saudis and others have paid you and please do us all a favor and just *leave*.”

    Offer Americans something positive out of this mess–the end to the Clinton saga. Trump should make that point in his final pitch to voters.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    The Special Prosecutor thing plays up and plays on the belief that the DoJ, the AG -- or the system -- is corrupted.

  385. @AnotherDad
    @Percy Gryce


    “Because you’d be in jail.” I can’t tell if Trump’s special prosecutor gambit is a good idea or not. I think we generally move on after elections. Threatening to prosecute the losing side is a dicey move, IMHO.
     
    "Because you'd be in jail" quip is fine.

    The special prosecutor thing, i thought was counter productive. (Especially because Trump still hasn't explained why she was doing it--skirting FOI to do favors for Clinton Foundation clients.)

    "Something more like, "FBI director James Comey basically said the evidence was substantial and you'd be prosecuted ... except for the fact you're Hillary Clinton and running for President. I'd seriously considered appointing a special prosecutor if i was elected. But really American just needs to see the *end* of the Clinton era. Take all the bribes Wall Street, Goldman Sachs, the Saudis and others have paid you and please do us all a favor and just *leave*."

    Offer Americans something positive out of this mess--the end to the Clinton saga. Trump should make that point in his final pitch to voters.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The Special Prosecutor thing plays up and plays on the belief that the DoJ, the AG — or the system — is corrupted.

  386. If you think about it, the Democrat success in castigating Trump for his verbiage about women will, if not challenged, prevent any alpha males from ever running for President. Clever.

  387. My extremely liberal college town’s newspaper website offered a quick poll asking who won the debate. Trump got 63% of the 21,000 votes cast so far.

  388. @Steve Sailer
    @AnotherDad

    –> Invade the World, Invite the World.
    It’s awesome–just say it and explain it. People will get it. It will stick, it will move the conversation and sway folks’ minds. Just *say it*.


    I've been saying it for over ten years.

    I thought it was pretty catchy. Yet, it's turned out to be so anti-viral that Merck should bottle it and give everybody an injection of it before flu season.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Desiderius, @AnotherDad, @reiner Tor, @SteveRogers42

    I thought it was pretty catchy. Yet, it’s turned out to be so anti-viral that Merck should bottle it and give everybody an injection of it before flu season.

    It is catchy. But it works best when applied to a particular candidate to mock *their* specific policies.

    For Bush, the Democrats wouldn’t use it because waving in the muzzies instead of keeping them out–just peachy. For Obama, the Republican establishment couldn’t use it because they were all behind the “invade” part.

    Finally we have a candidate in Trump ideologically can use it and in Hillary such a perfect target as she’s so passionate both about sticking her nose in and destabilizing whatever Arab dictatorship attracts her attention, and then about waving the detritus on in here to rub our noses in diversity. (A busybody–“The Protestant Church lady from hell”.)

    It’s the perfect meeting of quip and opportunity and Trump … just doesn’t say it!

  389. @D. K.
    @Romanian

    http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Member/Detail/183617

    Happy anniversary to 'Little Stevie' Diamond, whose taint exceeds his bloodline!

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    He’s using his own name, respect that. We can share this information with those who have missed it (if you hadn’t done so, I’d have done it myself; if he had a problem with it he could’ve simply chosen a pseudonym), but gloating over it seems distasteful to me. Besides, his comments are usually interesting, even if I rarely agree with them.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @reiner Tor

    As a retired attorney, I think that a person in his dubious position, vis-a-vis the Bar Association, who uses his own name, in a forum such as this, is a moron. I feel sorry for (some) morons, but I do not respect them for the trait that makes them, to my mind, moronic (speaking colloquially, of course, rather than psychometrically-- a field in which I also was trained, before heading off to law school).

    At any rate, my personal antipathy toward Mr. Diamond-- predating, and in addition to, the fact that he has brought dishonor upon my and his former profession-- springs from the fact that he was outspokenly seeking to have me permanently banned from commenting on Unz.com, altogether, at one point last year-- long before another commenter, here in Steve Sailer's corner of Unz.com, posted Mr. Diamond's shameful listing at the California Bar Association's Web site.

    I use my real initials, here and elsewhere, and reveal enough personal facts, in my 1500+ comments, here at Unz.com alone, for someone to track down my actual name, if they are both intelligent and resourceful enough. The bottom line is, my life could be badly damaged because of some of the unpopular things that I write here (and elsewhere); whereas, being a Trotskyite, Mr. Diamond is in no danger of that same thing happening to himself for the left-wing opinions that he espouses here (and elsewhere). When people who are on the "right side of history" in "[FILL IN THE CURRENT YEAR HERE]" demand that I reveal my true identity to the people, organizations, and government agencies diligently scouring the Web for "Badwhites" and other enemies of the coming Utopia to isolate and destroy, in the name of tolerance and inclusiveness, I tell them what my erstwhile Italian professor at Purdue taught me, circa forty years ago: "'VAFFANCULO!' he explained."

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  390. @Steve Sailer
    @AnotherDad

    –> Invade the World, Invite the World.
    It’s awesome–just say it and explain it. People will get it. It will stick, it will move the conversation and sway folks’ minds. Just *say it*.


    I've been saying it for over ten years.

    I thought it was pretty catchy. Yet, it's turned out to be so anti-viral that Merck should bottle it and give everybody an injection of it before flu season.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Desiderius, @AnotherDad, @reiner Tor, @SteveRogers42

    I personally like it.

  391. It’s almost amusing to see how insane the media has gone over Trump’s bringing in the women who have accused Bill Clinton of sexual assault.

    They seem to be genuinely shocked that Trump might bring up Bill Clinton’s horrible behavior — but how could they possibly be so?

    How many shots across the bow did Trump fire beforehand, warning off the Clinton campaign from pushing the sexual angle against him? Did this stop them? Of course not. They really do seem to believe, from Hillary on down, that the usual rules of tit-for-tat simply don’t apply to them. The depth of their belief in this was exposed most obviously in the Machado case, in which it was apparent they didn’t even do the obvious vetting any such figure should require.

    There’s a breathtaking arrogance, entitlement, and lack of accountability in their behavior. They seem to have spent so much time sucking on their own exhaust, and isolating themselves from opposed opinion, that they aren’t even capable of entertaining points of view other than their own.

  392. @Jack D
    @Mr. Blank

    If Cruz is such a great debater, why isn't he the nominee?

    Threatening Hillary with jail was not a good move - now she knows that winning is a matter of life and death. That is part of Trump's problem - he doesn't need this job that badly. In fact, his life will probably be better if he loses and on some level he knows that.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @TangoMan

    Threatening Hillary with jail was not a good move – now she knows that winning is a matter of life and death.

    My thought exactly.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @reiner Tor

    On the other hand, Trump should not be surprised if he is indicted for tax evasion a couple of years into the Hillary administration.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  393. @Jack D
    @Lot

    You can hunt all the Easter eggs you want, but the taint is in the blood.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @SFG

    While I personally like observing certain patterns, it’s purpose is not genocidal, but educational, to allow for self-improvement for those whose behavior might have some undesirable patterns, and also to help those dealing with these people so that they know to be careful.

    So no taint in the blood, just an interesting pattern, which is helpful to those who want better understanding of the world, which in my opinion is ultimately beneficial to all. A political system built on suppressing easily observable patterns will lead to a mess and is ultimately not sustainable (hence the current mess), so I don’t think it’s very safe to rely on such a system to protect you. Better face reality and try improving it. (If it needs improvement. I don’t think it’s even harmful to engage in online betting activity over Trump’s chances, which are probably underpriced on the market.)

    • Replies: @SFG
    @reiner Tor

    I was teasing Lot and not trying to seriously argue he was trying to do anything wrong. I'm about as polluted as he is in this regard. ;)

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  394. @Fictitious Email
    @Tiny Duck

    How are you always able to post within the first 10 comments? Do you monitor this site or something? Do you not have a life?

    Replies: @TheJester

    Or, he is paid to monitor the Unz Review, especially iSteve. (Where is that ignore button?) If so, this is good news. iSteve deserves attention from those apparently chartered to relive the Soviet experience in the New World Order.

  395. @D. K.
    LAT / USC daily tracking poll:

    . . .

    Friday, 10/7: Trump +3.1%

    Saturday, 10/8: Trump +2.8%

    Sunday, 10/9: Trump +3.1%

    * * *

    In other words, the Trump-Bush tape revelation, on Friday, barely moved the preference needle, on Saturday, and was a total washout, by Sunday. Early tomorrow morning, we shall see how much the second debate has moved the needle. Clinton had a minute lead on Sunday, 9/11. On Monday, 9/12, after Clinton's 9/11 collapse at Ground Zero, Trump surged into the lead. Since then, that lead has ranged from a low of 1.8% to an high of 6.7%. Whether this particular poll turns out to be accurate, come 11/8, it is clear that this supposedly mortal wound to Trump's campaign was much ado about nothing. "Paging Dr. Seinfeld! Paging Dr. Seinfeld!"

    Replies: @D. K., @Mark F., @LondonBob

    The debate probably will have little to no effect. This polling organization is an outlier, however. Almost everyone else is showing Clinton winning.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Mark F.

    I distrust this year's polls, in general, for reasons that I have listed and reiterated, throughout Unz.com. My analysis, in that regard, is beside the point, however. The point is that the LAT / USC daily tracking poll showed that the supposedly campaign-wrecking "scandal" of Trump's talking about "pussy" and attempting to seduce a (dog-faced) married celebrity journalist (before her boob job) barely moved the needle, support-wise, the day after it was released, and, the very next day, the poll was right back to where it had been, two days earlier.

  396. @reiner Tor
    @Jack D


    Threatening Hillary with jail was not a good move – now she knows that winning is a matter of life and death.
     
    My thought exactly.

    Replies: @Jack D

    On the other hand, Trump should not be surprised if he is indicted for tax evasion a couple of years into the Hillary administration.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Jack D

    Yes, so it was doubly dumb for him to talk like this. Makes Clinton fight harder and makes her more vengeful.

  397. @Lagertha
    @Cryptogenic

    so creepy. This is an omen (not a good one, duh) in my country, 'cause it is late in autumn.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Jack D

    First frost in that part of the US is usually not before Oct. 15 and flies sometimes find shelter indoors much later than that.

  398. @SFG
    @biz

    Yeah. I read a lot of sources, and the advantage of Unz's stuff is it's totally opposite what the rest of the media says. Some of it's BS. Some of it really isn't. Even Linh Dinh's crazy people are fascinating ethnography. The guy has a real gift for narrative, and how many people actually ask homeless people their lives and take down the whole crazy rant?

    Replies: @biz

    For me the legitimately interesting are Khan, Sailer, and Lee. Buchannon and Paul are public figures so I read their stuff. The rest I just skim to see what various kooks are on about lately (apparently Israel is going to have to pay reparations for 9/11 any day now lol).

  399. @Lot
    Trump is doing great so far against a hostile and biased set of questions.

    We are about 15 minutes and every single question so far has been a pointed anti-Trump question that has nothing to do with policy.

    I wish Trump would shut up about the emails however. Do you think a single voter is going to decide based on this issue?

    Replies: @Anonym

    I think most military votes would be strongly affected by the email scandal. Higher level govt employees. In short, anyone familiar with history of clearance, importance of clearance, management and leadership. It really rubs people up the wrong way to elect someone to the highest office of the land like that when anyone not politically connected would lose their job or be jailed for the same thing. And she lies about it. It is all kinds of wrong.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Anonym

    Trump should ask her to apologize to military security and anyone else with a clearance, among others, for her willful and wanton disregard shown throughout the email scandal. My Bureau, security and LEO friends can't stand her lies and lack of concern for whom she puts at risk.

    Replies: @Anonym

  400. @European in America
    @Lagertha

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bigly

    Replies: @res

    Interesting. Odd choice of words by Scott Adams. Have you ever heard anyone use “bigly” before? I looked at the urban dictionary page you linked and two of the definitions have to do with Trump (why? are they making fun of the way he says “big league”, similarly to “huge” as “yuge”?). The debate transcript at https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/09/everything-that-was-said-at-the-second-donald-trump-vs-hillary-clinton-debate-highlighted/
    shows Trump saying “big league” and Google ngrams show “big league” having 40x the frequency of “bigly”:
    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=bigly%2Cbig+league&year_start=1900&year_end=2010&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cbigly%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cbig%20league%3B%2Cc0

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @res

    Tom Wolfe wrote an article about 50 years ago about how everybody in New York City believes they are a Big Leaguer.

    Sometimes, even, they are. I remember a taxicab driver in 1984 who got me from Midtown to LaGuardia in 18 minutes because he had timed all the traffic lights and knew the optimal speed was to drive 3rd Avenue at 36.2 mph, so we hit dozens of greenlights in a row. He was a Big League cabdriver!

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    , @Lot
    @res

    When I was watching the debate I thought Trump said "bigly" as well, and loved it.

  401. “You’d be in jail” went over fine with America.

    With wonks and borderline autists, not so much (but I repeat myself).

  402. @Lot
    @Percy Gryce

    I thought it was a bad moment.

    Both Hillary and Trump looked best talking policy and looked worse talking about the other candidate.

    Trump was not especially coherent talking about policy, and I winced at his stupid "sell insurance across state lines" talking point, but he certainly seemed more presidential at those points.

    Replies: @res

    I winced at his stupid “sell insurance across state lines” talking point

    What exactly makes it “stupid”? It is grossly oversimplified as a talking point, but there seems to be at least some substance there. Here is the AEI talking about the same basic idea:
    https://www.aei.org/publication/the-pros-and-cons-of-selling-health-insurance-across-state-lines/
    Can you point me to an analysis you find credible? Much of what I saw in a quick search appears tainted by “Trump believes it so it must be false.”

    • Replies: @Lot
    @res

    Insurance companies already operate "across state lines." What this is really about is letting an insurance company choose to only comply with the regulations of a single state, but sell its product anywhere without complying with other state laws.

    We already have this for banking, and it is a huge failure. A bank avoids the laws of the 47 states that have usury laws by opening in one of the three tiny states that don't.

    It is nasty and undemocratic. Maybe California's health care regulations are stupid. It should be up to the people of this state to repeal them ourselves if we think that, not have some company set up in one of the three parasite states (Delaware, Nevada, and South Dakota) and simply ignore our regulations.

    Here's a classic on Delaware by the way, pretty amusing aside from the PC anti-racism section:

    https://newrepublic.com/article/61902/rogue-state

    Replies: @Former Darfur

  403. @Lagertha
    @Anonymous

    that they will all find themselves Cat Ladies by 50; childless, having worked their entire lives for prestige and hubris, hating men; so, and they die alone living on SS if it exists anymore. Lagertha's prediction. My sons absolutely hate SJW's and will never marry that. Women are jerks...who are voting against their own interests w/Hillary! The amount of single, middle-aged women is staggering! Your shelf life is over at 37.

    Replies: @schmenz

    Very poignant, and very true.

  404. @Marie
    Just retweeted by Joyce Carol Oates:

    "Note to my male friends who might not realize: Trump's standing behind her is a bullying tactic. Abusive men do this to us all the time."

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @guest, @Vendetta, @Kylie

    Joyce Carol Oates retweets: “Note to my male friends who might not realize: Trump’s standing behind her is a bullying tactic. Abusive men do this to us all the time.”

    As broad-beamed as Hillary is, Trump was probably just using her as a human shield.

  405. @Former Darfur
    @Kylie

    The city maybe, not the county. The City of St. Louis is not in any county: it's a separate entity.

    On the KC side everyone with any money, except hipsters, lives in Jackson County outside KCMO limits-Lee's Summit, Blue Springs, etc-or on the Kansas side (Johnson County).

    Replies: @Kylie

    “The City of St. Louis is not in any county: it’s a separate entity.”

    I know that. I said the St. Louis Metro area and that’s what I meant.

    Just two examples: The fact that Kirkwood combined with Meacham Park, the fact that my old high school in Ballwin has 22% non-whites even though Ballwin is over 90% white makes them liberal in my eyes.

    Much of St. Louis County is way too the left of what it was when I left there in 1989.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @Kylie

    Were you a Longhorn?

  406. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Tracy
    @Harry Baldwin

    Or she might have gained 5% more of the women's votes. Women hate flies.

    Seriously, the way my sex thinks is embarrassing as Hell. It sucks getting lumped in with them. I know some great, honorable, really intelligent women, and a few truly brilliant women, but women in general -- too stupid to be rightfully allowed to vote. Sometimes I go to sites like Jezebel just to freak myself out about just how ridiculous women are. It's entertaining in the same way watching a so-bad-it's-good movie like "The Room" is. Or maybe entertaining in the same way a train wreck is. I'm totally fascinated by them.

    It's not as if I'm not girly in my own way, either. I like looking at bride's dresses, love flowers, dig babies, enjoy the occasional round of "girl talk" and all that like most other chicks do. But when talk leaves the arena of that sort of "girly stuff" and gets into the realm of ideas -- politics, religion, social issues, etc. -- I am just blown away by the idiocy. Most guys aren't that bright either, as far as that goes, but even the less bright ones seem able to be a lot more bjective when they need to be, are more able to get past the emotional (which I don't downplay at all) when they need to and not let it affect them inordinately.

    To me, it's a wonder why there isn't an epidemic of male on female domestic violence. Women are the most ungrateful creatures on earth. They have no respect for men. None. As Camille Paglia said, we'd be living in grass huts if it weren't for men, but women act toward men as if they are completely unaware of that fact. They're selfish and have no concept of things like duty and honor. Religion used to give them all that, but it's been stripped away, and that, coupled with modern feminism, has turned women into overgrown, selfish babies who haven't outgrown the "I'm the center of the universe" stage of development.

    I soooo wish I knew more sane women who'd come over to my house and hang, drink, talk about real stuff -- interesting stuff, and whatever. And look at bride's dresses. Sigh.

    Sorry for the rant. Totally OT, I know, but it's late.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Yeah, yeah, Jezebel sucks. Wonderfully observant. While the comments at, say, neogaf or Deadspin are just dripping with objectivity and rationality. Not at all brimming with brainwashed morons desperately seeking to affirm their goodwhite status and weepily crawl up any “PoC” rectum they can find. At all! Nothing ridiculous or idiotic in all-male spaces! Nope!

    Yes, women are less likely to challenge the status quo. But some of you folks are hilariously delusional when it comes to the modern American man.

  407. @David In TN
    @Anon

    "Hillary's main problem as a campaigner is that she's Polonius in a pantsuit."

    Thanks for mentioning good old Polonius. It reminded me of something. During Jimmy Carter's presidency, National Review (right-wing in those days) discussed Carter's press coverage early on. They described the famous columnist James Reston as a "Polonius-like courtier."

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter

    I think her main problem is that the people didn’t want her in 2008 and they look like they still don’t want her.

  408. @Jack D
    @reiner Tor

    On the other hand, Trump should not be surprised if he is indicted for tax evasion a couple of years into the Hillary administration.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    Yes, so it was doubly dumb for him to talk like this. Makes Clinton fight harder and makes her more vengeful.

  409. @D. K.
    LAT / USC daily tracking poll:

    . . .

    Friday, 10/7: Trump +3.1%

    Saturday, 10/8: Trump +2.8%

    Sunday, 10/9: Trump +3.1%

    * * *

    In other words, the Trump-Bush tape revelation, on Friday, barely moved the preference needle, on Saturday, and was a total washout, by Sunday. Early tomorrow morning, we shall see how much the second debate has moved the needle. Clinton had a minute lead on Sunday, 9/11. On Monday, 9/12, after Clinton's 9/11 collapse at Ground Zero, Trump surged into the lead. Since then, that lead has ranged from a low of 1.8% to an high of 6.7%. Whether this particular poll turns out to be accurate, come 11/8, it is clear that this supposedly mortal wound to Trump's campaign was much ado about nothing. "Paging Dr. Seinfeld! Paging Dr. Seinfeld!"

    Replies: @D. K., @Mark F., @LondonBob

    The race ended when Hillary collapsed on 9/11, media are in make believe world.

    • Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond
    @LondonBob

    Get that from Scott Adams? Has he ever been correct since the primaries?

  410. @res
    @European in America

    Interesting. Odd choice of words by Scott Adams. Have you ever heard anyone use "bigly" before? I looked at the urban dictionary page you linked and two of the definitions have to do with Trump (why? are they making fun of the way he says "big league", similarly to "huge" as "yuge"?). The debate transcript at https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/09/everything-that-was-said-at-the-second-donald-trump-vs-hillary-clinton-debate-highlighted/
    shows Trump saying "big league" and Google ngrams show "big league" having 40x the frequency of "bigly":
    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=bigly%2Cbig+league&year_start=1900&year_end=2010&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cbigly%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cbig%20league%3B%2Cc0

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lot

    Tom Wolfe wrote an article about 50 years ago about how everybody in New York City believes they are a Big Leaguer.

    Sometimes, even, they are. I remember a taxicab driver in 1984 who got me from Midtown to LaGuardia in 18 minutes because he had timed all the traffic lights and knew the optimal speed was to drive 3rd Avenue at 36.2 mph, so we hit dozens of greenlights in a row. He was a Big League cabdriver!

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes, that's the nuclear fission trick of driving in Manhattan: #1 - Only go N-S until you get to your block or exit. #2 - Set your speed to hit all the lights.

    There are some other tips: Avoid Madison, Park, 5th, Amsterdam, or (God forbid) B'way below 103rd. Also: never commit to left or right lane, because double parking is rampant: think center, and only use left and right to pass. And pass frequently, signalling. Driving in Manhattan reminds me of a horse race, a lot of jockeying back and forth, but usually most of the other drivers are cabbies so they know the deal, too.

  411. @Steve Sailer
    @res

    Tom Wolfe wrote an article about 50 years ago about how everybody in New York City believes they are a Big Leaguer.

    Sometimes, even, they are. I remember a taxicab driver in 1984 who got me from Midtown to LaGuardia in 18 minutes because he had timed all the traffic lights and knew the optimal speed was to drive 3rd Avenue at 36.2 mph, so we hit dozens of greenlights in a row. He was a Big League cabdriver!

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    Yes, that’s the nuclear fission trick of driving in Manhattan: #1 – Only go N-S until you get to your block or exit. #2 – Set your speed to hit all the lights.

    There are some other tips: Avoid Madison, Park, 5th, Amsterdam, or (God forbid) B’way below 103rd. Also: never commit to left or right lane, because double parking is rampant: think center, and only use left and right to pass. And pass frequently, signalling. Driving in Manhattan reminds me of a horse race, a lot of jockeying back and forth, but usually most of the other drivers are cabbies so they know the deal, too.

  412. The more I think about it, the more brilliant Trump’s “Because you’d be in jail” line is. It’s pretty much the only thing people will remember from this debate 2-3 days from now.

    • Agree: Abe
    • Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond
    @European in America

    At least in that he's honest. Doesn't everyone know that if Hillary wins, Trump ends up in jail?

  413. @Dissident
    @jon

    But we're still in early autumn.

    Replies: @jon

    But we’re still in early autumn.

    We get snow in November. Ski season is going full tilt by December. Not much Autumn left where I live.

  414. No one, including Trump, seems interested in the question of WHY Hillary really had the private e-mail server, and what WAS in the tens of thousands of deleted e-mails. She never seems to make any attempt to answer this question. If they were all private family stuff, then how on earth did she ever have any time to do any government business at all. And how did she manage to peck out all those e-mails on her phone?

    Clinton’s responses on health care were very poor, considering that health care insurance is her area of expertise.

    Her responses on foreign policy were also unbelievably weak considering that is another area of expertise.

    She seems certain to be the next President barring an act of God (RIP), but it is a shame that the Republicans could not find a better candidate to oppose her.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @Jonathan Mason

    I'll just bet that the WHY leads through Huma Abedin to Saudi Intelligence/Muslim Brotherhood.

  415. @Lot
    @SFG


    the two Jewish guys
     
    I had no idea about Charles Erwin Wilson.

    To be precise, I am an atheist who was baptized and raised Christian with parents who are Ashkenazi on one side and on the other mostly German with a little English and Swedish. My Jewish grandparents were completely secular and celebrated Christmas and Easter. Not at a church, but easter egg hunts and chocolate rabbits. My gentile side also is more fertile so most of my aunts, uncles, and cousins are non-Jewish.

    Replies: @Jack D, @SFG, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Sorry, it was meant as more of a gentle jibe–I figured you’d heard worse around here. No actual offense intended.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @SFG

    Me offended? No way. I knew that was a joke, but even the actual antisemitism here for me ranges from amusing to boring, and perhaps you've noticed I enjoy trolling them, especially on Geraldi and Shamir's blog.

    Notwithstanding one of my parents' genes, the only place I'm a Jew, for practical purposes, is online for purposes of annoying Nazis. I don't even know what Yom Kipper is (other than a holiday I don't take off).

    Replies: @SFG

  416. @Jack D
    @Lot

    You can hunt all the Easter eggs you want, but the taint is in the blood.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @SFG

    I was trying to gently kid–I figured we’d all heard worse around here. Besides, I’m no cleaner than he is. 😉

  417. @reiner Tor
    @Jack D

    While I personally like observing certain patterns, it's purpose is not genocidal, but educational, to allow for self-improvement for those whose behavior might have some undesirable patterns, and also to help those dealing with these people so that they know to be careful.

    So no taint in the blood, just an interesting pattern, which is helpful to those who want better understanding of the world, which in my opinion is ultimately beneficial to all. A political system built on suppressing easily observable patterns will lead to a mess and is ultimately not sustainable (hence the current mess), so I don't think it's very safe to rely on such a system to protect you. Better face reality and try improving it. (If it needs improvement. I don't think it's even harmful to engage in online betting activity over Trump's chances, which are probably underpriced on the market.)

    Replies: @SFG

    I was teasing Lot and not trying to seriously argue he was trying to do anything wrong. I’m about as polluted as he is in this regard. 😉

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @SFG

    I understand, my point was more general and not exactly directed at you or Lot or Jack D.

  418. @Lagertha
    @SFG

    I touched a nerve...aahww - Don't protect liarss if you are in a position of power. We all need to take the fracking liars down in this country, for God's sake! My grandfathers marched the communists to the eastern border and told them to keep walking...it was winter, but those were the choices. Death is a choice for true believers...like jihadies.

    Replies: @Dissident, @SFG

    Um, I was responding to your comment that women fantasize about being secretly grabbed. I’m not arguing for protecting the Clintons or any of their friends.

    My point was that with the rise of ‘yes means yes’, taking initiative in any romantic endeavor rises considerably in risk if you’re not great at reading body language. (Or, in human: us nerds are taking a much bigger risk making any moves than we used to.)

    I’d read up on this ‘yes means yes’ business, BTW–you say you’ve got two boys. They’re probably smarter than me, but they may be at risk. Even if they are not interested in feminism, feminism is interested in them.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @SFG

    This used to worry me too. Looked at analytically, how many sexual assault cases are there over a kiss that was rejected? Anything serious will start there generally, and move on from that point. Nerds typically over-think things and often inflate risk.

    , @Lagertha
    @SFG

    Yeah, I get it - apologies. I got really "riled" up with emotion during this bizarro debate, and I will lash out without reason at anybody. I tend to get irrational when I feel that the "big issues" nationally or internationally, are not the focus of the times.

    I am sort of, mad at the world, for ignoring things like possible nuclear war, chaos of the Middle East, or the festering migrant/unfettered immigration crisis...while all American pundits, politicians, MSM are obsessing over what Trump said 11 years ago, or that he is an uncouth schlub, in their opinion. I mean, thank God for Wikileaks, these past few weeks.

    And yes, my sons absolutely know everything is bad for young white guys/everyone is against them in the USA...everyone. If they ever do marry, it will be to women 20 years younger (like Trump) or Japanese/Korean/Chinese women...maybe Croatian. None of them have girlfriends, btw...and they are so good-looking! They keep girls at a distance....too scary - easier to be alone.

  419. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Steve Sailer

    I think your regular readers are just too polite to cold spike one of your signature lines, otherwise I'm sure it would be all over Zero Hedge and Breitbart by now. But don't worry, the day is coming.

    Replies: @SFG

    Weigel already mentioned it, if I remember right. Everyone reads Steve, nobody admits it.

  420. Overall I thought that Trump won this round, but Hillary also performed better than I expected to in the face of Trump’s onslaught. I expected him to do better in this one, because he wouldn’t be able to handle Pence upstaging him vs Kaine.

    I hope America can also see the cold blooded pathologically lying psychopath I see in Hillary? She is really something to behold.

    I thought Trump’s praise of Hillary at the end showed class. I know another commenter said he should have stuck in a barb there, but it was far more classy of him to respond as he did, and showed a contrast from Hillary.

    And although the bias against Trump was obvious, he handled it with aplomb. There were also a couple of questions that I didn’t think CNN would run that were anti-Hillary, so that kind of surprised me.

  421. @SFG
    @Lagertha

    Um, I was responding to your comment that women fantasize about being secretly grabbed. I'm not arguing for protecting the Clintons or any of their friends.

    My point was that with the rise of 'yes means yes', taking initiative in any romantic endeavor rises considerably in risk if you're not great at reading body language. (Or, in human: us nerds are taking a much bigger risk making any moves than we used to.)

    I'd read up on this 'yes means yes' business, BTW--you say you've got two boys. They're probably smarter than me, but they may be at risk. Even if they are not interested in feminism, feminism is interested in them.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Lagertha

    This used to worry me too. Looked at analytically, how many sexual assault cases are there over a kiss that was rejected? Anything serious will start there generally, and move on from that point. Nerds typically over-think things and often inflate risk.

  422. @reiner Tor
    @D. K.

    He's using his own name, respect that. We can share this information with those who have missed it (if you hadn't done so, I'd have done it myself; if he had a problem with it he could've simply chosen a pseudonym), but gloating over it seems distasteful to me. Besides, his comments are usually interesting, even if I rarely agree with them.

    Replies: @D. K.

    As a retired attorney, I think that a person in his dubious position, vis-a-vis the Bar Association, who uses his own name, in a forum such as this, is a moron. I feel sorry for (some) morons, but I do not respect them for the trait that makes them, to my mind, moronic (speaking colloquially, of course, rather than psychometrically– a field in which I also was trained, before heading off to law school).

    At any rate, my personal antipathy toward Mr. Diamond– predating, and in addition to, the fact that he has brought dishonor upon my and his former profession– springs from the fact that he was outspokenly seeking to have me permanently banned from commenting on Unz.com, altogether, at one point last year– long before another commenter, here in Steve Sailer’s corner of Unz.com, posted Mr. Diamond’s shameful listing at the California Bar Association’s Web site.

    I use my real initials, here and elsewhere, and reveal enough personal facts, in my 1500+ comments, here at Unz.com alone, for someone to track down my actual name, if they are both intelligent and resourceful enough. The bottom line is, my life could be badly damaged because of some of the unpopular things that I write here (and elsewhere); whereas, being a Trotskyite, Mr. Diamond is in no danger of that same thing happening to himself for the left-wing opinions that he espouses here (and elsewhere). When people who are on the “right side of history” in “[FILL IN THE CURRENT YEAR HERE]” demand that I reveal my true identity to the people, organizations, and government agencies diligently scouring the Web for “Badwhites” and other enemies of the coming Utopia to isolate and destroy, in the name of tolerance and inclusiveness, I tell them what my erstwhile Italian professor at Purdue taught me, circa forty years ago: “‘VAFFANCULO!’ he explained.”

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @D. K.

    Point taken.

    Also, I didn't know about him trying to have you banned, neither your usage of your real initials. (Against which I'd have advised you, just as you'd have advised Mr. Diamond not to use his own name for commenting.)

  423. @Mark F.
    @D. K.

    The debate probably will have little to no effect. This polling organization is an outlier, however. Almost everyone else is showing Clinton winning.

    Replies: @D. K.

    I distrust this year’s polls, in general, for reasons that I have listed and reiterated, throughout Unz.com. My analysis, in that regard, is beside the point, however. The point is that the LAT / USC daily tracking poll showed that the supposedly campaign-wrecking “scandal” of Trump’s talking about “pussy” and attempting to seduce a (dog-faced) married celebrity journalist (before her boob job) barely moved the needle, support-wise, the day after it was released, and, the very next day, the poll was right back to where it had been, two days earlier.

  424. I am not sure which polls to believe, and this guy is trying hard to discredit the Trump poll:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/10/poll-won-debate-trump-clinton-drudge-report-us-voters

    When I looked this morning (and Trump seems to have now removed the poll) there was just over a million votes (it seems) with 70% saying Trump won.

    Of course, I guess the author of that article thinks that low information voters are going to vote for Hillary and don’t visit Drudge.

    By the way, that bogus ABC News Poll seems to be down again. I wonder if they will put it up again before the election?

    http://abcnewsgo.co/2016/08/abc-live-poll-who-are-you-voting-for/

  425. @res
    @Lot


    I winced at his stupid “sell insurance across state lines” talking point
     
    What exactly makes it "stupid"? It is grossly oversimplified as a talking point, but there seems to be at least some substance there. Here is the AEI talking about the same basic idea:
    https://www.aei.org/publication/the-pros-and-cons-of-selling-health-insurance-across-state-lines/
    Can you point me to an analysis you find credible? Much of what I saw in a quick search appears tainted by "Trump believes it so it must be false."

    Replies: @Lot

    Insurance companies already operate “across state lines.” What this is really about is letting an insurance company choose to only comply with the regulations of a single state, but sell its product anywhere without complying with other state laws.

    We already have this for banking, and it is a huge failure. A bank avoids the laws of the 47 states that have usury laws by opening in one of the three tiny states that don’t.

    It is nasty and undemocratic. Maybe California’s health care regulations are stupid. It should be up to the people of this state to repeal them ourselves if we think that, not have some company set up in one of the three parasite states (Delaware, Nevada, and South Dakota) and simply ignore our regulations.

    Here’s a classic on Delaware by the way, pretty amusing aside from the PC anti-racism section:

    https://newrepublic.com/article/61902/rogue-state

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @Lot

    Surely those 47 states' Senators and Representatives could make the usury laws federal....or threaten a constitutional convention if they are thwarted?

  426. @European in America
    The more I think about it, the more brilliant Trump's "Because you'd be in jail" line is. It's pretty much the only thing people will remember from this debate 2-3 days from now.

    Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond

    At least in that he’s honest. Doesn’t everyone know that if Hillary wins, Trump ends up in jail?

  427. @res
    @European in America

    Interesting. Odd choice of words by Scott Adams. Have you ever heard anyone use "bigly" before? I looked at the urban dictionary page you linked and two of the definitions have to do with Trump (why? are they making fun of the way he says "big league", similarly to "huge" as "yuge"?). The debate transcript at https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/09/everything-that-was-said-at-the-second-donald-trump-vs-hillary-clinton-debate-highlighted/
    shows Trump saying "big league" and Google ngrams show "big league" having 40x the frequency of "bigly":
    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=bigly%2Cbig+league&year_start=1900&year_end=2010&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cbigly%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cbig%20league%3B%2Cc0

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lot

    When I was watching the debate I thought Trump said “bigly” as well, and loved it.

  428. @LondonBob
    @D. K.

    The race ended when Hillary collapsed on 9/11, media are in make believe world.

    Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond

    Get that from Scott Adams? Has he ever been correct since the primaries?

  429. @Tiny Duck
    You guys, it's not the comments that are the problem. It's the admission of sexual assault. There was a woman who said Trump grabbed her like that who was ignored. Yeah he's a vulgar misandric jerk, but the real problem is that he is committing criminal sexual offenses. Those aren't "comments" and it's really baffling to see people referring to it as such.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @German_reader, @Colleen Pater, @Stephen R. Diamond

    He said he was prevaricating during his “locker room talk.” He didn’t really do such things. I believe he was lying. He usually is.

  430. @Steve Sailer
    @AnotherDad

    –> Invade the World, Invite the World.
    It’s awesome–just say it and explain it. People will get it. It will stick, it will move the conversation and sway folks’ minds. Just *say it*.


    I've been saying it for over ten years.

    I thought it was pretty catchy. Yet, it's turned out to be so anti-viral that Merck should bottle it and give everybody an injection of it before flu season.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Desiderius, @AnotherDad, @reiner Tor, @SteveRogers42

    Add: “In hock to the world.”

  431. @SFG
    @Lot

    Sorry, it was meant as more of a gentle jibe--I figured you'd heard worse around here. No actual offense intended.

    Replies: @Lot

    Me offended? No way. I knew that was a joke, but even the actual antisemitism here for me ranges from amusing to boring, and perhaps you’ve noticed I enjoy trolling them, especially on Geraldi and Shamir’s blog.

    Notwithstanding one of my parents’ genes, the only place I’m a Jew, for practical purposes, is online for purposes of annoying Nazis. I don’t even know what Yom Kipper is (other than a holiday I don’t take off).

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Lot

    That's pretty much the case here too; I really don't feel like growing a beard and remembering 613 commandments a bunch of nomads who may have a few alleles in common with me used to get them through the desert on one hand, or marching for social justice on the other.

    It's a good time for a cheeseburger. ;)

  432. @Jonathan Mason
    No one, including Trump, seems interested in the question of WHY Hillary really had the private e-mail server, and what WAS in the tens of thousands of deleted e-mails. She never seems to make any attempt to answer this question. If they were all private family stuff, then how on earth did she ever have any time to do any government business at all. And how did she manage to peck out all those e-mails on her phone?

    Clinton's responses on health care were very poor, considering that health care insurance is her area of expertise.

    Her responses on foreign policy were also unbelievably weak considering that is another area of expertise.

    She seems certain to be the next President barring an act of God (RIP), but it is a shame that the Republicans could not find a better candidate to oppose her.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    I’ll just bet that the WHY leads through Huma Abedin to Saudi Intelligence/Muslim Brotherhood.

  433. @Anonym
    @Lot

    I think most military votes would be strongly affected by the email scandal. Higher level govt employees. In short, anyone familiar with history of clearance, importance of clearance, management and leadership. It really rubs people up the wrong way to elect someone to the highest office of the land like that when anyone not politically connected would lose their job or be jailed for the same thing. And she lies about it. It is all kinds of wrong.

    Replies: @Ivy

    Trump should ask her to apologize to military security and anyone else with a clearance, among others, for her willful and wanton disregard shown throughout the email scandal. My Bureau, security and LEO friends can’t stand her lies and lack of concern for whom she puts at risk.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Ivy

    Trump should ask her to apologize to military security and anyone else with a clearance, among others, for her willful and wanton disregard shown throughout the email scandal. My Bureau, security and LEO friends can’t stand her lies and lack of concern for whom she puts at risk.

    I agree, obviously. Her attitudes and behavior might eventually invite a coup attempt. If Oliver Stone is to be believed, it wouldn't be the first time.

  434. @Lot
    @SFG

    Me offended? No way. I knew that was a joke, but even the actual antisemitism here for me ranges from amusing to boring, and perhaps you've noticed I enjoy trolling them, especially on Geraldi and Shamir's blog.

    Notwithstanding one of my parents' genes, the only place I'm a Jew, for practical purposes, is online for purposes of annoying Nazis. I don't even know what Yom Kipper is (other than a holiday I don't take off).

    Replies: @SFG

    That’s pretty much the case here too; I really don’t feel like growing a beard and remembering 613 commandments a bunch of nomads who may have a few alleles in common with me used to get them through the desert on one hand, or marching for social justice on the other.

    It’s a good time for a cheeseburger. 😉

  435. @Kylie
    @Former Darfur

    "The City of St. Louis is not in any county: it’s a separate entity."

    I know that. I said the St. Louis Metro area and that's what I meant.

    Just two examples: The fact that Kirkwood combined with Meacham Park, the fact that my old high school in Ballwin has 22% non-whites even though Ballwin is over 90% white makes them liberal in my eyes.

    Much of St. Louis County is way too the left of what it was when I left there in 1989.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    Were you a Longhorn?

  436. @Lot
    @res

    Insurance companies already operate "across state lines." What this is really about is letting an insurance company choose to only comply with the regulations of a single state, but sell its product anywhere without complying with other state laws.

    We already have this for banking, and it is a huge failure. A bank avoids the laws of the 47 states that have usury laws by opening in one of the three tiny states that don't.

    It is nasty and undemocratic. Maybe California's health care regulations are stupid. It should be up to the people of this state to repeal them ourselves if we think that, not have some company set up in one of the three parasite states (Delaware, Nevada, and South Dakota) and simply ignore our regulations.

    Here's a classic on Delaware by the way, pretty amusing aside from the PC anti-racism section:

    https://newrepublic.com/article/61902/rogue-state

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    Surely those 47 states’ Senators and Representatives could make the usury laws federal….or threaten a constitutional convention if they are thwarted?

  437. @Jack D
    @Mr. Blank

    If Cruz is such a great debater, why isn't he the nominee?

    Threatening Hillary with jail was not a good move - now she knows that winning is a matter of life and death. That is part of Trump's problem - he doesn't need this job that badly. In fact, his life will probably be better if he loses and on some level he knows that.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @TangoMan

    Trump needs to win in order to salvage his reputation. Winners write the history. A Clinton victory assures that Trump’s name is mud, that America was saved from a tyrant who was on the path to becoming a new Hitler. Then there are going to be the weaponized agencies going after Trump and his family. Then the social ostracism where the Trumps become toxic.

    Trump needs to win and put his own stamp on history.

  438. @Ivy
    @Anonym

    Trump should ask her to apologize to military security and anyone else with a clearance, among others, for her willful and wanton disregard shown throughout the email scandal. My Bureau, security and LEO friends can't stand her lies and lack of concern for whom she puts at risk.

    Replies: @Anonym

    Trump should ask her to apologize to military security and anyone else with a clearance, among others, for her willful and wanton disregard shown throughout the email scandal. My Bureau, security and LEO friends can’t stand her lies and lack of concern for whom she puts at risk.

    I agree, obviously. Her attitudes and behavior might eventually invite a coup attempt. If Oliver Stone is to be believed, it wouldn’t be the first time.

  439. @D. K.
    @reiner Tor

    As a retired attorney, I think that a person in his dubious position, vis-a-vis the Bar Association, who uses his own name, in a forum such as this, is a moron. I feel sorry for (some) morons, but I do not respect them for the trait that makes them, to my mind, moronic (speaking colloquially, of course, rather than psychometrically-- a field in which I also was trained, before heading off to law school).

    At any rate, my personal antipathy toward Mr. Diamond-- predating, and in addition to, the fact that he has brought dishonor upon my and his former profession-- springs from the fact that he was outspokenly seeking to have me permanently banned from commenting on Unz.com, altogether, at one point last year-- long before another commenter, here in Steve Sailer's corner of Unz.com, posted Mr. Diamond's shameful listing at the California Bar Association's Web site.

    I use my real initials, here and elsewhere, and reveal enough personal facts, in my 1500+ comments, here at Unz.com alone, for someone to track down my actual name, if they are both intelligent and resourceful enough. The bottom line is, my life could be badly damaged because of some of the unpopular things that I write here (and elsewhere); whereas, being a Trotskyite, Mr. Diamond is in no danger of that same thing happening to himself for the left-wing opinions that he espouses here (and elsewhere). When people who are on the "right side of history" in "[FILL IN THE CURRENT YEAR HERE]" demand that I reveal my true identity to the people, organizations, and government agencies diligently scouring the Web for "Badwhites" and other enemies of the coming Utopia to isolate and destroy, in the name of tolerance and inclusiveness, I tell them what my erstwhile Italian professor at Purdue taught me, circa forty years ago: "'VAFFANCULO!' he explained."

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    Point taken.

    Also, I didn’t know about him trying to have you banned, neither your usage of your real initials. (Against which I’d have advised you, just as you’d have advised Mr. Diamond not to use his own name for commenting.)

  440. @SFG
    @reiner Tor

    I was teasing Lot and not trying to seriously argue he was trying to do anything wrong. I'm about as polluted as he is in this regard. ;)

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    I understand, my point was more general and not exactly directed at you or Lot or Jack D.

  441. Yes, Trump “won” by restating the obvious over and over again.

    I didn’t watch the debate. But I hope you’re right, you idiot, because that’s exactly how persuasion works.

    Certainly, his projections could be off, and Trump may end up winning, albeit it is appears unlikely.

    These polls matter about 1% as much as the polls a few days before the election do.

    My extremely liberal college town’s newspaper website offered a quick poll asking who won the debate. Trump got 63% of the 21,000 votes cast so far.

    It’s hard to keep all outer rim systems in line.

    Yes, so it was doubly dumb for him to talk like this. Makes Clinton fight harder and makes her more vengeful.

    I disagree. People need to see Clinton talked to like that. Puts her in her proper frame (no pun intended).

    The more I think about it, the more brilliant Trump’s “Because you’d be in jail” line is. It’s pretty much the only thing people will remember from this debate 2-3 days from now.

    This. It resonates with the (great many) people who think she deserves to be locked up. And it makes many more blink, start thinking of her that way.

    Notwithstanding one of my parents’ genes, the only place I’m a Jew, for practical purposes, is online for purposes of annoying Nazis. I don’t even know what Yom Kipper is (other than a holiday I don’t take off).

    Nazi, schmatzi. Nobody here gives you shit just for being a Jew. Which you know, obviously. On the other hand, I wouldn’t rule out your Jewish inheritance being decisive in you showing your ass a bit there.

    You can hunt all the Easter eggs you want, but the taint is in the blood.

    Jews just make better targets, than even “ANTI-SEMITES!!!”

    I mean, really now; “Chosen People of G-d”? Talk about a perfect setup…

  442. @SFG
    @Lagertha

    Um, I was responding to your comment that women fantasize about being secretly grabbed. I'm not arguing for protecting the Clintons or any of their friends.

    My point was that with the rise of 'yes means yes', taking initiative in any romantic endeavor rises considerably in risk if you're not great at reading body language. (Or, in human: us nerds are taking a much bigger risk making any moves than we used to.)

    I'd read up on this 'yes means yes' business, BTW--you say you've got two boys. They're probably smarter than me, but they may be at risk. Even if they are not interested in feminism, feminism is interested in them.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Lagertha

    Yeah, I get it – apologies. I got really “riled” up with emotion during this bizarro debate, and I will lash out without reason at anybody. I tend to get irrational when I feel that the “big issues” nationally or internationally, are not the focus of the times.

    I am sort of, mad at the world, for ignoring things like possible nuclear war, chaos of the Middle East, or the festering migrant/unfettered immigration crisis…while all American pundits, politicians, MSM are obsessing over what Trump said 11 years ago, or that he is an uncouth schlub, in their opinion. I mean, thank God for Wikileaks, these past few weeks.

    And yes, my sons absolutely know everything is bad for young white guys/everyone is against them in the USAeveryone. If they ever do marry, it will be to women 20 years younger (like Trump) or Japanese/Korean/Chinese women…maybe Croatian. None of them have girlfriends, btw…and they are so good-looking! They keep girls at a distance….too scary – easier to be alone.

  443. @Lot
    @SFG


    the two Jewish guys
     
    I had no idea about Charles Erwin Wilson.

    To be precise, I am an atheist who was baptized and raised Christian with parents who are Ashkenazi on one side and on the other mostly German with a little English and Swedish. My Jewish grandparents were completely secular and celebrated Christmas and Easter. Not at a church, but easter egg hunts and chocolate rabbits. My gentile side also is more fertile so most of my aunts, uncles, and cousins are non-Jewish.

    Replies: @Jack D, @SFG, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I had no idea about Charles Erwin Wilson.

    Thanks! I haven’t had a good belly laugh like this for at least six weeks! Oh, and BTW, too bad about your atheism. I’ll put in a good word for you on Judgement Day.

  444. @fnn
    @Flip

    Maybe not for long. Wikipedia says, "As of 2011, 27.2% of Idaho's children under the age of one belonged to racial or ethnic minority groups, meaning that they had at least one parent who was not non-Hispanic white."

    Replies: @Flip

    Well, Mexican mestizos are pretty tractable in dealing with upper class whites.

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