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As we know from countless television commercials, white men are stupid. But, fortunately, they mostly have wise black wives to set them straight. Tragically, AI doesn’t watch enough TV spots to know things like this.
From the Washington Post news section:
This is how AI image generators see the world
ALL IMAGES IN THIS STORY ARE AI-GENERATEDHow AI is crafting a world where our worst stereotypes are realized
AI image generators like Stable Diffusion and DALL-E amplify bias in gender, race and beyond — despite efforts to detoxify the data fueling these results.
By Nitasha Tiku, Kevin Schaul and Szu Yu Chen
Nov. 1 at 6:00 a.m.Artificial intelligence image tools have a tendency to spin up disturbing clichés: Asian women are hypersexual. Africans are primitive. Europeans are worldly. Leaders are men. Prisoners are Black.
These stereotypes don’t reflect the real world; they stem from the data that trains the technology. Grabbed from the internet, these troves can be toxic — rife with pornography, misogyny, violence and bigotry. …
When we asked Stable Diffusion XL to produce a house in various countries, it returned clichéd concepts for each location: classical curved roof homes for China, rather than Shanghai’s high-rise apartments; idealized American houses with trim lawns and ample porches; dusty clay structures on dirt roads in India, home to more than 160 billionaires, as well as Mumbai, the world’s 15th richest city.
Most people don’t get this worked up over national stereotypes of houses, but I’m guessing Post reporter Nitasha Tiku is another sore-headed South Asian. The highly substantial Indian house looks like it must be home to about the 97th percentile in income of Indians, but that’s just not good enough for Natasha’s wounded amour propre
The AI American house appears to be influenced by the house in Grant Wood’s famous painting American Gothic:
The Washington Post is a big user of commercial libraries of licensed photos. If I ask Google to show me images that have appeared on the Washington Post of
American house
two or three of the top eight photos are pretty similar looking to the AI-generated one:
Even using detailed prompts didn’t mitigate this bias. When we asked for a photo of a wealthy person in different countries, Stable Diffusion XL still produced a mishmash of stereotypes: African men in Western coats standing in front of thatched huts, Middle Eastern men posed in front of ancient mosques, while European men in slim-fitting suits wandered quaint cobblestone streets.
The wealthy European looks like Emmanuel Macron, but who knew Macron has a giant headless one-legged Pope as a bodyguard who hops along behind him everywhere?
English
Arabic
Chinese (Simplified)
Dutch
French
German
Hebrew
Hindi
Italian
Japanese
Korean
Persian
Polish
Portuguese
Russian
Spanish
Swedish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Have these people never seen a rich African or Arabian in their entire life? Do they think MBS looks exactly like them? How has an AI managed to understand humanity better than humanity understands itself?
AI excludes all emotion.
Or did she make up descriptions and then try to get photos that match?
This is awful. We really need to tamp down on right-wing politics and people or it’s gonna adversely affect the performance of our immigrant NBA players!
Phys.org… Public Library of Science
Trust the science, bruh!
Sounds great!
Only when everything is bland and the same will we achieve true diversity.
Surely the whole point of AI creative art is to pick up on our stereotypes and paint them.
Other wise we’d have to translate our requests into another language.
“When we asked Stable Diffusion XL to produce a house in various countries, it returned clichéd concepts for each location: classical curved roof homes for China, rather than Shanghai’s high-rise apartments….”
She asked for a “house”, not a “home.” “Shanghai’s high-rise apartments” aren’t houses. If you ask for a picture of a “house” you may find you get a picture of a house.
I don’t really understand how AI works – OTOH it does manage to create an extremely detailed, photo-realistic rendering of an American house but then when it gets to the gable it messes up the symmetry.
I see it does the same thing with humans – it will render a face perfectly well but for some reason hands confuse it and you have 3 fingered humans. Apparently you can’t just go in and give it rules like “houses should be symmetrical” or “humans have 5 fingers on each hand”.
“Artificial intelligence image tools have a tendency to spin up disturbing clichĂ©s”
“Disturbing?” To whom?
Besides the authors of the article that is.
That’s Justin Trudeau in another one of his offensive Halloween costumes.
I see it does the same thing with humans - it will render a face perfectly well but for some reason hands confuse it and you have 3 fingered humans. Apparently you can't just go in and give it rules like "houses should be symmetrical" or "humans have 5 fingers on each hand".Replies: @J.Ross
The key is that hands are the only way we would ever get over on AI. Humans without hands are like goyim with gmo soy oil.
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https://thetakeout.com/the-jews-waited-4-000-years-for-crisco-1846090027
The Yiddish title of the pamphlet is actually Yinglish (English written in Yiddish letters). It says, literally, "Crisco Recipes" even though there is a word for "recipe" in Yiddish.
Crisco would also help you to be American - no more stinking up the house with chicken schmaltz and embarrassing the kids when they bring over their goyish friends.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Johann Ricke, @Thea, @J.Ross
“How has an AI managed to understand humanity better than humanity understands itself? ”
AI excludes all emotion.
The Post writers have it right. Given that reality is racist, we must engineer AI to ignore reality and conform to our prejudices instead. Otherwise, what’s the point? We could just use ‘regular’ intelligence, and we know that gets us into trouble.
That style of late 19th century American house (the AI one) is often designated “Queen Anne,” despite being built almost 200 years after her death.
These stereotypes don’t reflect the real world; they stem from the data that trains the technology.
Considering recent TV and (non)reporting, how are the GIGO stereotypes even close to correct?
The all-American cooking fat used to be lard or bacon drippings. P&G marketed Crisco very heavily toward the Jewish market because it was vegetable based and therefore kosher.
https://thetakeout.com/the-jews-waited-4-000-years-for-crisco-1846090027
The Yiddish title of the pamphlet is actually Yinglish (English written in Yiddish letters). It says, literally, “Crisco Recipes” even though there is a word for “recipe” in Yiddish.
Crisco would also help you to be American – no more stinking up the house with chicken schmaltz and embarrassing the kids when they bring over their goyish friends.
The other San Francisco treat.Replies: @Jack D, @Rohirrimborn
If they keep the cooking laws they surely keep the social laws.Replies: @Jack D, @Mike Conrad
The major theses of AI:
1. We must use AI to improve our efficiency and eliminate unnecessary workers, especially the pesky low income ones
2. We must hire many unnecessary workers to watch AI and make sure it doesn’t do something racist or sexist.
3. Once AI has been properly trained, we will have to hire consultants to figure out why women and blacks in positions of power haven’t increased our efficiency.
By Nitasha Tiku, Kevin Schaul and Szu Yu Chen
Kevin Schaul may be woke AF but you still have to feel for him here, he’s the unfortunate meat in this newsroom sandwich
Nitasha is either Arabic, Urdu, or Punjabi, depending on what name site you look. Tiku is most common in Cameroon, but also known in Ethiopia, India, and Indonesia. This woman is brown and has plied her "journalism" trade in Silicon Valley. As for her own origin, your guess is as good as any.
Szu Yu Chen
Gesundheit!
How fucking deranged do you have to be to pretend that a high-rise is a “house”?
Kevin Schaul may be woke AF but you still have to feel for him here, he's the unfortunate meat in this newsroom sandwichReplies: @Reg Cæsar
Nitasha Tiku
Nitasha is either Arabic, Urdu, or Punjabi, depending on what name site you look. Tiku is most common in Cameroon, but also known in Ethiopia, India, and Indonesia. This woman is brown and has plied her “journalism” trade in Silicon Valley. As for her own origin, your guess is as good as any.
Szu Yu Chen
Gesundheit!
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https://thetakeout.com/the-jews-waited-4-000-years-for-crisco-1846090027
The Yiddish title of the pamphlet is actually Yinglish (English written in Yiddish letters). It says, literally, "Crisco Recipes" even though there is a word for "recipe" in Yiddish.
Crisco would also help you to be American - no more stinking up the house with chicken schmaltz and embarrassing the kids when they bring over their goyish friends.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Johann Ricke, @Thea, @J.Ross
It was also popular with the West Coast bathhouse market, not that they sought this out. (With a Procterscope, perhaps?) There was guy face-down on a slab in Randy Shilts’s book, with an open can of Crisco at hand, inviting any and all comers.
The other San Francisco treat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisco_Disco
This line. Oh, my sides!
The other San Francisco treat.Replies: @Jack D, @Rohirrimborn
TMI
The Washington Post ≠humanity.
Pretty sure that Chinese house is in Los Angeles.
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https://thetakeout.com/the-jews-waited-4-000-years-for-crisco-1846090027
The Yiddish title of the pamphlet is actually Yinglish (English written in Yiddish letters). It says, literally, "Crisco Recipes" even though there is a word for "recipe" in Yiddish.
Crisco would also help you to be American - no more stinking up the house with chicken schmaltz and embarrassing the kids when they bring over their goyish friends.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Johann Ricke, @Thea, @J.Ross
As a fan of schmaltz – both chicken grease and its celluloid equivalent – I’m at a loss for the kind of Scrooge who would find it objectionable.
The WASP people who ran the settlement houses where they taught immigrants to cook American food felt that part of the reason why immigrants (both the Jews and the Italians) were so "excitable" was that they had this overstimulating diet where they were eating all this garlic and salami and pickles and so on, which they fed even to their children, which caused them to become gangsters. If you could get people to eat a calm diet they might themselves calm down and become white bread Americans.Replies: @Erik L
I dunno. Seems to be working ok…
"EBT" is good but I like the angels best.
Can't determine where it came from originally.
We're never going to have great municipal art like that again, are we.
Reports of Putin’s death might not be greatly exaggerated
Oh, and I'd like to remind everybody that there is an English name for today's Dia de los muertos. It is All Souls Day.
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You got some hard-core material, bro.
“EBT” is good but I like the angels best.
Can’t determine where it came from originally.
We’re never going to have great municipal art like that again, are we.
The other San Francisco treat.Replies: @Jack D, @Rohirrimborn
And who can forget the gay NYC nightclub Crisco Disco?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisco_Disco
https://i.kinja-img.com/image/upload/c_fit,q_60,w_1315/gsssyysjrexykzhpq2f2.jpg
https://thetakeout.com/the-jews-waited-4-000-years-for-crisco-1846090027
The Yiddish title of the pamphlet is actually Yinglish (English written in Yiddish letters). It says, literally, "Crisco Recipes" even though there is a word for "recipe" in Yiddish.
Crisco would also help you to be American - no more stinking up the house with chicken schmaltz and embarrassing the kids when they bring over their goyish friends.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Johann Ricke, @Thea, @J.Ross
Would a Jewish child from a frum family ever bring a non-Jewish friend home?
If they keep the cooking laws they surely keep the social laws.
I’m not at all interested in AI, and yeah, I know, “AI may be interested in me.”
Regarding the commercials that I assume are made by humans, my laziness in changing browsers has got me still putting up with ads on youtube. I saw one yesterday in which the black lady knew so much about the product, so the White lady next to her was so jealous that she grabbed it from the former. The ad did not really do it’s job, as this was yesterday, and I couldn’t remember what the product was for the life of me this morning.
My point is about what I was thinking as I saw the (2) ads. What do these asshole marketing people think of themselves? How do they live with themselves? I just wanted to hear Neil Young’s Hawks & Doves.
Trust the science, bruh!Replies: @AnotherDad
So in other words “far right” ideology is good for the natives, the people who actually built and own and live in a place, and bad for the invaders.
Sounds great!
She asked for a “house”, not a “home.” “Shanghai’s high-rise apartments” aren’t houses. If you ask for a picture of a “house” you may find you get a picture of a house.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
Right, and I think this screw-up in her thinking is due to Real Estate Agents. They know that “home” has better connotations to their buyers than “house”, but it also makes condo or townhouse buyers feel better when they’re not actually getting houses.
It’s always “home”, and that often makes one think of a cozy place, but the agents already have a use for “cozy” – it means really damn small.
Here a picture of Chinese homes taken from a Chinese house. You can’t see here, but the house doesn’t look nice from the outside like many American ones, Queen Anne, Victorian, or whatever, because the outside of Chinese people’s houses is the responsibility of government, so it often looks like shit.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/real-estate/vancouver/selling-vancouver-homes-just-outsidebeijing/article32166336/Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Colin Wright
They still think that way - there is much Geographism there. If Racism isn't fun because, over 1 Billion Han people, you need something else to put people down with.
Regarding the commercials that I assume are made by humans, my laziness in changing browsers has got me still putting up with ads on youtube. I saw one yesterday in which the black lady knew so much about the product, so the White lady next to her was so jealous that she grabbed it from the former. The ad did not really do it's job, as this was yesterday, and I couldn't remember what the product was for the life of me this morning.
My point is about what I was thinking as I saw the (2) ads. What do these asshole marketing people think of themselves? How do they live with themselves? I just wanted to hear Neil Young's Hawks & Doves.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @David
Ahaaa! It came to me what they were advertising. It was some kind of electronic douche – they showed the circuit board.
I kid you not! That I am getting “served” these ads has got me doing a bit of introspection here this morning …
If you read the linked article, the author tries making some of the recipes and they are kind of bland and tasteless. Crisco is just pure grease and has very little taste of its own. We view that as a bug but for early to mid-century America bland and tasteless was a goal.
The WASP people who ran the settlement houses where they taught immigrants to cook American food felt that part of the reason why immigrants (both the Jews and the Italians) were so “excitable” was that they had this overstimulating diet where they were eating all this garlic and salami and pickles and so on, which they fed even to their children, which caused them to become gangsters. If you could get people to eat a calm diet they might themselves calm down and become white bread Americans.
On a similar note, as a kid I saw old film of fuddy duddies complain about how this rock and roll music was going to corrupt the youth and ruin the culture. We were supposed to think this was silly but in retrospect we are kind of living in the world they feared.
It just came up on us slowly so we adapted and accept it as normal. A price worth paying for all the great musicReplies: @Jack D
Most Chinese in cities live in high rise apartments. These are privately owned by the residents. Out in the countryside the wealthier farmers build really nice freestanding houses. Outside the big cities there are even some American style housing developments – you have to be really rich to afford one of these but China now has a lot of really rich people – if you take the top half of their 1.4 billion people there are twice as many of them as there are Americans. The people in the upper half of their income scale are in a position to buy consumer goods like houses and cars. For example, car sales in China are around 27 million/yr (out of a global market of 87 million). About 1/2 as many are sold in the US. The Chinese car market is now twice as big as the American.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/real-estate/vancouver/selling-vancouver-homes-just-outsidebeijing/article32166336/
Girlnalism.
Yeah, I realize the minoritarian whine is so firmly entrench that even the odd soy goy squeezes out this same pap. But its bread and butter is girls shrieking and pearl clutching that someone–or in this case something–somewhere is not utterly narratively compliant and we can’t have that!
The WASP people who ran the settlement houses where they taught immigrants to cook American food felt that part of the reason why immigrants (both the Jews and the Italians) were so "excitable" was that they had this overstimulating diet where they were eating all this garlic and salami and pickles and so on, which they fed even to their children, which caused them to become gangsters. If you could get people to eat a calm diet they might themselves calm down and become white bread Americans.Replies: @Erik L
In defense of this feeling Jewish and Italian gangsterism did decline over the years as they adopted the blander American diet. Coincidence?
On a similar note, as a kid I saw old film of fuddy duddies complain about how this rock and roll music was going to corrupt the youth and ruin the culture. We were supposed to think this was silly but in retrospect we are kind of living in the world they feared.
It just came up on us slowly so we adapted and accept it as normal. A price worth paying for all the great music
Yes. BTW, I have an older edition of The Joy of Cooking (written by a German American woman). It gives a recipe for "Italian meatballs" as a variation of the main recipe for German meatballs. You leave out the nutmeg and instead add "one-half clove of garlic" and a little pinch of oregano (for 3 lbs. of meat). If you were to add the full clove of garlic it might kill you.
I would be OK with blandness, true diversity = chaos.
Regarding the commercials that I assume are made by humans, my laziness in changing browsers has got me still putting up with ads on youtube. I saw one yesterday in which the black lady knew so much about the product, so the White lady next to her was so jealous that she grabbed it from the former. The ad did not really do it's job, as this was yesterday, and I couldn't remember what the product was for the life of me this morning.
My point is about what I was thinking as I saw the (2) ads. What do these asshole marketing people think of themselves? How do they live with themselves? I just wanted to hear Neil Young's Hawks & Doves.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @David
Install AdBlock Plus. Only ZeroHedge has figured out a way past it. YouDupe is completely ad-free for me.
I came back from there 3 months ago, Jack. Here‘s my latest post, written just for you!
Yes, I know.
We got around quite a bit, but we didn’t see so many of these as opposed to small (actual) villages with people living together in a cluster of concrete places with the farmland around them. The latter is the Chinese way, at least the old way, and it could be changing with modern ag. The deal was that anyone out in the country is by definition a poor peon.
They still think that way – there is much Geographism there. If Racism isn’t fun because, over 1 Billion Han people, you need something else to put people down with.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/real-estate/vancouver/selling-vancouver-homes-just-outsidebeijing/article32166336/Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Colin Wright
Ooops, you are hereby redirected.
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Is AI “spinning up” holograms of Putin? This guy with a, er, seminal surname is open to the idea:
Reports of Putin’s death might not be greatly exaggerated
Oh, and I’d like to remind everybody that there is an English name for today’s Dia de los muertos. It is All Souls Day.
If they keep the cooking laws they surely keep the social laws.Replies: @Jack D, @Mike Conrad
What social law prevents Jews from having non-Jewish friends? You are making shit up.
These Crisco recipe booklets are from maybe the 1930s or earlier. In those days, most Yiddish speaking immigrant Jews, not just the ultra-Orthodox, kept kosher (at least to some extent) even if they were otherwise fairly secular. Even today there is a whole spectrum of people who keep kosher ranging from Satmar Hasids to Conservative Jews and even a small % of Reform Jews. Today we associate the ability to read and speak Yiddish with the Orthodox but Yiddish was the language of all of the Jews of E. Europe including atheist Communists.
She doesn’t even describe the pictures accurately. Thatched huts? What about the car? That mosque is “ancient”? That street is “quaint” and “cobblestoned”? Did she just miss the huge palace in the middle?
Or did she make up descriptions and then try to get photos that match?
The word made today’s Financial Times crossword.
Turns out that representing the sum of 2 dice thrown as the number 7 is just a cliché. It assumes 6 die faces numbered 1 to 6 and does not take into account the diversity of dice with many faces and number combinations not to mention dice without numbers on them at all. The pictures of houses are the same thing as my dice example, the AI is asked to return an average house.
Maybe the average person in the USA and China lives a similar house, or a brutalist apartment complex, but the pagoda-like house (or whatever) evokes China, and the Queen Anne house evokes America. Typical fishing boats of both countries probably look much the same, but to be representative of each nation, maybe AI would show a junk and an Alumacraft bass boat. Who would say that’s wrong but a WaPo Karen (of any or no particular gender) sniffing for racism?
AI probably wasn’t trying to return an AVERAGE house, but a REPRESENTATIVE house.
Maybe the average person in the USA and China lives a similar house, or a brutalist apartment complex, but the pagoda-like house (or whatever) evokes China, and the Queen Anne house evokes America. Typical fishing boats of both countries probably look much the same, but to be representative of each nation, maybe AI would show a junk and an Alumacraft bass boat. Who would say that’s wrong but a WaPo Karen (of any or no particular gender) sniffing for racism?
At least the AI has made some progress.
That poor European guy can’t seem to shake the white guilt stalking him everywhere he goes.
Anyone else notice the pattern? They don’t like when the AI is accurate about social issues.
Now hypersexualized Asian women is new to me, but everything else seems like a perfectly accurate result of averages.
There ARE more black prisoners on average.
Europeans imvented anthropology, the age of exploration and colonialism, so yeah they ARE pretty worldly on average.
Most business and political leaders ARE men (despite endless attempts to crowbar unqualified females into the jobs).
Those houses ARE perfect representations of the AVERAGE house in each region. Let’s not forget that Asia is more than just Shanghai apartments despite the author’s apparent ignorance. Type in “asian house” or “indian house” and the images the AI gav3 are about the average.
They could’ve made the Indian house a mud hut and thrown in an Brazilian shack and still been accurate, but it didn’t. Sounds pretty fair to me.
On a similar note, as a kid I saw old film of fuddy duddies complain about how this rock and roll music was going to corrupt the youth and ruin the culture. We were supposed to think this was silly but in retrospect we are kind of living in the world they feared.
It just came up on us slowly so we adapted and accept it as normal. A price worth paying for all the great musicReplies: @Jack D
Coincidence?
Yes. BTW, I have an older edition of The Joy of Cooking (written by a German American woman). It gives a recipe for “Italian meatballs” as a variation of the main recipe for German meatballs. You leave out the nutmeg and instead add “one-half clove of garlic” and a little pinch of oregano (for 3 lbs. of meat). If you were to add the full clove of garlic it might kill you.
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https://thetakeout.com/the-jews-waited-4-000-years-for-crisco-1846090027
The Yiddish title of the pamphlet is actually Yinglish (English written in Yiddish letters). It says, literally, "Crisco Recipes" even though there is a word for "recipe" in Yiddish.
Crisco would also help you to be American - no more stinking up the house with chicken schmaltz and embarrassing the kids when they bring over their goyish friends.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Johann Ricke, @Thea, @J.Ross
Intresting. I vaguely recall Crisco being marketed as modern and hygienic compared to animal fats left over from recent, other meals.
It seems to me that the AI sought to beef up the cultural aspect of the architecture by relying on religious buildings rather than residences, resulting in designs which do not resemble structures people reside in but in a higher degree of cultural recognizability.
If they keep the cooking laws they surely keep the social laws.Replies: @Jack D, @Mike Conrad
How dare you mention zee ovens! As it happens, almost a month after the attack, we just remembered this today! The attack was so leisurely that the Forces of Evil had time to locate ovens and cook babies for 60 minutes at 375° Fahrenheit.
Not a single one of hundreds of comments in the DM expresses even the slightest skepticism. Or, more likely, the DM is censoring those that do.
Is there not a norm against marrying a Gentile?
Marrying someone is not the same thing as a kid having a non Jewish friend over for milk and Crisco cookies.
You know full good and well Orthodox don’t let their children play with the Goyim.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/real-estate/vancouver/selling-vancouver-homes-just-outsidebeijing/article32166336/Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Colin Wright
Sales quadrupled just between two sentences.
https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/car-sales-by-country.htmlReplies: @Colin Wright
I think you parsed that wrong. Here is 2022 data. China 23.6M, US 13.7M.
https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/car-sales-by-country.html
Maf is not your strong suit, is it?
You mean I didn’t realize 1/2 = 2?
https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/car-sales-by-country.htmlReplies: @Colin Wright
I didn’t parse anything wrong. I merely noted that Jack claimed the Chinese car market was simultaneously one half as large as the US car market and twice as large as it.
1. 1/2 as many are sold in the US (compared with China implied)
2. Chinese car market is now twice as big as the American
Do you not see how saying A is 1/2 the size of B is equivalent to saying B is 2x the size of A?
My assumption was you parsed Jack's statement such that the first part meant:
1. 1/2 as many are sold in the US (compared with the global market implied)
Though perhaps there is another explanation?
P.S. To make this comment a bit more interesting, Here is some time series data for both countries.
https://www.statista.com/outlook/mmo/passenger-cars/china
https://www.statista.com/outlook/mmo/passenger-cars/united-states
It looks to me like the vehicle numbers are less than 2x and the dollar value of the US market is actually larger.Replies: @Colin Wright
Here is the full paragraph from Jack.
It seems clear to me that Jack said/meant:
1. 1/2 as many are sold in the US (compared with China implied)
2. Chinese car market is now twice as big as the American
Do you not see how saying A is 1/2 the size of B is equivalent to saying B is 2x the size of A?
My assumption was you parsed Jack’s statement such that the first part meant:
1. 1/2 as many are sold in the US (compared with the global market implied)
Though perhaps there is another explanation?
P.S. To make this comment a bit more interesting, Here is some time series data for both countries.
https://www.statista.com/outlook/mmo/passenger-cars/china
https://www.statista.com/outlook/mmo/passenger-cars/united-states
It looks to me like the vehicle numbers are less than 2x and the dollar value of the US market is actually larger.
1. 1/2 as many are sold in the US (compared with China implied)
2. Chinese car market is now twice as big as the American
Do you not see how saying A is 1/2 the size of B is equivalent to saying B is 2x the size of A?
My assumption was you parsed Jack's statement such that the first part meant:
1. 1/2 as many are sold in the US (compared with the global market implied)
Though perhaps there is another explanation?
P.S. To make this comment a bit more interesting, Here is some time series data for both countries.
https://www.statista.com/outlook/mmo/passenger-cars/china
https://www.statista.com/outlook/mmo/passenger-cars/united-states
It looks to me like the vehicle numbers are less than 2x and the dollar value of the US market is actually larger.Replies: @Colin Wright
You’re right. I read Jack’s sentence as if he had written ‘About 1/2 as many as are sold in the US.’
As to the dollar value, you may be right. Having rented a Chinese vehicle in Chile, they are missing a lot of the frills we’ve come to take for granted. For example, when was the last time you saw something with crank windows? Then of course they have very small engines and manual transmissions.