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From CNN Business:

Portland passes broadest facial recognition ban in the US
By Rachel Metz, CNN Business

Updated 8:06 PM ET, Wed September 9, 2020

(CNN Business) The city of Portland, Oregon, on Wednesday banned the use of facial-recognition technology by city departments — including local police — as well as public-facing businesses such as stores, restaurants and hotels.

Portland joins a growing number of places in the United States, such as San Francisco, Oakland, and Boston, that have outlawed city use of the surveillance technology, which is meant to identify a person from an image of their face. But its decision to prevent both local government and businesses from employing the technology appears to be the most sweeping ban yet by an individual city.

Facial recognition technology has grown in prevalence — and controversy — in recent years, popping up everywhere from airport check-in lines to police departments and drugstores. Yet while it could add a sense of security and convenience for businesses that roll it out, the technology has been widely criticized by privacy advocates for built-in racial biases and potential for misuse.

The huge breakthrough in recent years appears to have been that one firm came up with a system with virtually no false positives.

These worries were clearly on the minds of city council commissioners who voted unanimously for the ban. In addition to halting city use of the surveillance technology, the new rule prevents “private entities in places of public accommodation” in Portland from using it, too, referring to businesses that serve the general public — a grocery store or a pizza place, for instance. It does not prevent individuals from setting up facial-recognition technology at home, such as a Google Nest camera that can spot familiar faces, or gadgets that use facial-recognition software for authenticating users, like Apple’s Face ID feature for unlocking an iPhone.

The big worry among Portland politicians is not that facial recognition technology will fail but that it will succeed in putting their supporters in jail for arson, vandalism, and mayhem.

 
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  1. Landlords aren’t public facing businesses, are they? Someone should underwrite the complete Orwellification of Portland’s leased buildings. Installation and repair, internet connectivity, facial recognition (albeit without DMV image data).

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    @Anon

    Landlords can now get Alexa units at a discount.

    All data is uploaded to the Amazon cloud and the CIA.

  2. Actually, according to modern vocabulary, one could argue that facial recognition is
    if anything anti-racist since it has a harder time detecting black faces than whites.

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    @Ricardo Cruz

    The simple reason the left is terrified of facial recognition software is not because it’s inaccurate, but because it’s so accurate!
    That’s why the Detroit City Council wants the DPD to stop using it!

    Detroit - where the city’s Civilian Board of Police Commissioners are arrested for disorderly conduct DURING MEETINGS!

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1045046

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  3. The huge breakthrough in recent years appears to have been that one firm came up with a system with virtually no false positives.

    That just means it has set the dial to reject anything where the machine isn’t completely sure. Which is a good approach, but how many matches does it really get at that point?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @El Dato

    A lot.

    There really has been a big leap forward in facial recognition in the last few years.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @El Dato

    But isn't this facial recognition technology easily foiled . . . .

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/416fJSgV91L._AC_.jpg

  4. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    Steve, what do you think of this hot conservative babe Andrews? She is pretty sharp.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/270035/

    There seems to be a pattern of aging beauties who are right wing pundits. Over 30’s 40’s sexy plus brains. I guess Noonan was the vanguard although Schafly looks great in some youth photos.

    Anyway this part of Andrew’s excellent article is bull:

    But if affirmative action is abolished, the result will be an ethnically lopsided Ivy League and, soon, an ethnically lopsided national elite…

    Uhh … high tide for Jews is passing (overall effect on institutions was very negative —- Ivy League & Media & Law all more corrupt and poisoned with Jewish revolutionary spirit aka intellectually defective Bolshevism) … military left standing as America’s most trusted institution. Wonder why. Coincidentally very few Jews in the military.

    …And the Asian elite thing in America was/is just not happening. Asian intellect is heavily skewed to math/science. Sorry they are not elite otherwise. Sorry. I’m sick of waiting for them to kick our supposedly lame white asses. That scenario is a joke.

    Jews are great math/science people and overrated otherwise. Look at the entire history of modern Israel. None of those leaders would make it big in America. None.

    And the Asian thing is even more impossible. Ludicrous to think they will rule as the new American elite. We are not f*cking Peru.

    • Replies: @clyde
    @Anonymous


    Jews are great math/science people and overrated otherwise. Look at the entire history of modern Israel. None of those leaders would make it big in America. None.
     
    You are hallucinating about the battle hardened Israeli leaders. Plus they are all nationalists.
    , @dfordoom
    @Anonymous


    military left standing as America’s most trusted institution.
     
    There are people who trust the American military? Dear God.
    , @Jesse
    @Anonymous

    Apples versus oranges. Israeli leaders have done a decent job of surviving (no mean feat) and gradually dismantling local/regional hatreds. (That the Palestinians are the Florida Man of the region probably helps.)

    They've done a better job of keeping the ethnic balance, although (1) that's been less efficient than many here think (a lot of their workers are Arabs/Thai etc, because Bidness want cheap labor) and (2) that brings the new challenge of assimilating the Chasidim into something other than being parasites. (It's an interesting question of nature and nurture, because once pushed into the wider economy (in both the US and Israel), they've turned out to be quite bright.)

    Plus, not being able to make it as an elite in the US doesn't have to mean you'd make a bad one. In fact, considering the incentives, quite the opposite. You don't have to like then or their means but, in the situation they're in, they're doing a decent enough job for their country.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous


    Jews are great math/science people and overrated otherwise. Look at the entire history of modern Israel. None of those leaders would make it big in America. None.
     
    This is a bit simplistic.

    The Jewish IQ profile--relative to whites--is more or less opposite the East Asians. Strong verbally, good at math, weak at visio-spatial.

    Jewish work outside of math and science is indeed mostly miserable. But it's not because Jews are untalented, it's because that work mostly consists of whining and lying for minoritarianism--scratching and clawing at the gentiles' traditions, norms, religion, culture, nation, race and civilization.

    The problem is "reality is conservative". People have their norms, traditions ... because they work! (They are culturally evolved.) And, of course, white gentiles developed the most productive and successful civilization on the planet.

    And the Jews goal--make life good for a hostile middle man minority outgroup--is pretty much the worse possible organizing principle for any nation to adopt. (Short of flinging open the borders and inviting in the barbarians in to loot your stuff and have a go at your women.)

    Bottom line: Not a lack of talent, but an evil, destructive agenda.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  5. “Nuke it from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.”

    • Agree: Kylie
  6. What about surgical masks and more extensive face coverings? (Like Halloween masks?) Do these things take height and body shape into account?

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Kronos

    Supposedly Juggalo clown make up can dodge most or all of these tech processes. I'm kinda on the fence on this 1 myself. I see the obvious usage to nab arsonists etc but even Drudge fears this Phillip K Dick type fusion of police surveillance state bulls-it and corporate power. I'm kinda of the opinion of ".....yea you may use it while Trump is in power but what happens when the pendulum swings the other way & the thugs in charge turn the pre-cog tech on your ass & you have to pull a Minority Report....?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/09/09/iraq-troop-withdrawl-410723

    Anyhow Trump is beginning another troop withdrawal from our quagmires in Iraq and Afghanistan....probably why many in the officer corp & the military industrial complex pipeline are so pissy w him.....hes f--king up their racketeering and sinecure "industries".....the military.....especially the Chair Force is a gravy train service....

    My uncle who lives in the Bay Area retired at 38 with a naval pension & then had a 2nd career as a DoD civilian goldbricker where he draws a 2nd pension and even managed to pull another partial 15 yr CALPERS pension by riding that train.

    I seriously need to get into govt....the private sector truly is overrated despite the Art Laffer types and the Reaganites spouting it as free market gospel....i guess if they mean private sector they mean a cushy military industrial complex contractor job pushing paper or something.....

    Replies: @Brian Reilly, @Kronos

    , @anon
    @Kronos

    it's otay by me coz I'se tired of bein' mistaken fo' Buckwheat

    http://teachvaluesnow.org/ebay/8x10_Buckwheat%20little%20rascals%202.jpg

    Replies: @Truth

  7. @Kronos
    What about surgical masks and more extensive face coverings? (Like Halloween masks?) Do these things take height and body shape into account?

    https://img.cinemablend.com/cb/c/f/6/1/d/0/cf61d02d2e9fea7ea309f6e135f09b16fd12f14c7b007688c012e3a9d8333798.jpg

    https://youtu.be/f35fcXWqli8

    Replies: @Neoconned, @anon

    Supposedly Juggalo clown make up can dodge most or all of these tech processes. I’m kinda on the fence on this 1 myself. I see the obvious usage to nab arsonists etc but even Drudge fears this Phillip K Dick type fusion of police surveillance state bulls-it and corporate power. I’m kinda of the opinion of “…..yea you may use it while Trump is in power but what happens when the pendulum swings the other way & the thugs in charge turn the pre-cog tech on your ass & you have to pull a Minority Report….?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/09/09/iraq-troop-withdrawl-410723

    Anyhow Trump is beginning another troop withdrawal from our quagmires in Iraq and Afghanistan….probably why many in the officer corp & the military industrial complex pipeline are so pissy w him…..hes f–king up their racketeering and sinecure “industries”…..the military…..especially the Chair Force is a gravy train service….

    My uncle who lives in the Bay Area retired at 38 with a naval pension & then had a 2nd career as a DoD civilian goldbricker where he draws a 2nd pension and even managed to pull another partial 15 yr CALPERS pension by riding that train.

    I seriously need to get into govt….the private sector truly is overrated despite the Art Laffer types and the Reaganites spouting it as free market gospel….i guess if they mean private sector they mean a cushy military industrial complex contractor job pushing paper or something…..

    • Replies: @Brian Reilly
    @Neoconned

    Neo, You are too late to get into and profit from a government job as your uncle did. It was a ponzi-style scheme from the start, and now we are in the time when it collapses. Math and all of that.

    , @Kronos
    @Neoconned


    My uncle who lives in the Bay Area retired at 38 with a naval pension & then had a 2nd career as a DoD civilian goldbricker where he draws a 2nd pension and even managed to pull another partial 15 yr CALPERS pension by riding that train.

     

    Make it rain money baby! Where do I sign up?

    https://youtu.be/Gj3bnyI3TLo

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Alden

  8. My unprincipled view is that because I personally don’t have access to facial id tech, it is good for the government to stop those who do, like Jeff Bezos and Walgreens and CVS.

    I have little problem with law enforcement using it however.

    Does Portland PD even have a use for it though? They catch and release violent criminals by the hundreds, and then eventually “no complaint” them.

    It isn’t just a Portland issue, Oregon in general has a crap justice system. I know of one case, a guy with open warrants in six different counties, mostly several open warrants in each one. Theft, sexual assault, lots of meth charges, many driving drunk and without a license. Each county is too cheap to prosecute or even jail him, so he drifts along, bringing dysfunction, addiction, STDs, and general misery to those he encounters.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Lot

    Agree. Since the local DAs just release all the rioters anyway, not IDing them doesn't change much, except it makes it harder for the public to notice who the rioters are (the pets of the people passing the facial recog ban).

    For private parties, I'm not sure how this ban is supposed to work. Technically, the data processing probably happens at some center out of town/state, so not in Portland's jurisdiction. Legally, even if the government has technical jurisdiction, they can't ban you from noticing stuff, even with a machine assist, or from communicating with a machine/person elsewhere who has noticed stuff (facially recognized someone). I suppose they can ban you from acting on what you notice, but that's mostly banned already.

  9. Hire 4-chan. Those crazy bastards are better than any algorithm.

  10. Anon[328] • Disclaimer says:

    Kristina Narayan was arrested for interfering with police during the Forever Riot in Portland. She’s the legislative director for Oregon Democrat Speaker of the House Tina Kotek. That law is just a desperate attempt by the Democrats to protect their own people from arrest, and to hide the fact that Democratic politicians in Oregon are coordinating the riots behind the scenes. The Democrats must be deranged if they think they’re going to get votes by promoting chaos. They think exactly like retarded Arab terrorists.

    1. Riot!
    2. ?
    3. Profit!

    They’re stupid as hell.

    https://freebeacon.com/democrats/portland-police-arrest-dem-staffer-during-riot/

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    Forever Riot is good.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Anon


    exactly like retarded Arab terrorists
     
    To be fair, after 9/11 the US doubled Muslim immigration. So the

    1. Riot!
    2. ?
    3. Profit!
     
    sequence really did work for them.

    Of course, that's not because they're not retarded, but because we are retarded.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @anonymous
    @Anon

    Not only are some of rioters connected to Democratic elites, but facial recognition will allow the tracking of the movement of anarchists across various rioting hot spots. Given that there are now numerous links showing that rioters are being sheltered at so called homeless and refugee centers it is not hard to believe direct government and NGO logistical support for the anarcho-terrorist war against the kulaks.

    , @duncsbaby
    @Anon

    They seem to have a pretty good lock-down on Oregon politics. The only person running against Mayor Wheeler is a gal way to his left. She sports skirts w/Chairman Mao and Che patterns. The governor and state govt of Oregon are solidly left-wing Democrat. I keep hoping for common sense to descend upon the good voters of Oregon but if there is a cloud of common sense over Oregon it ain't producing much rain.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Libre
    @Anon

    We can rest assured this will never ever be used against proud boys. 🤔

  11. @Kronos
    What about surgical masks and more extensive face coverings? (Like Halloween masks?) Do these things take height and body shape into account?

    https://img.cinemablend.com/cb/c/f/6/1/d/0/cf61d02d2e9fea7ea309f6e135f09b16fd12f14c7b007688c012e3a9d8333798.jpg

    https://youtu.be/f35fcXWqli8

    Replies: @Neoconned, @anon

    it’s otay by me coz I’se tired of bein’ mistaken fo’ Buckwheat

    • Replies: @Truth
    @anon


    it’s otay by me coz I’se tired of bein’ mistaken fo’ Buckwheat
     
    Then you should practice your English more.
  12. Oh, they’ll still use it, but this ban will be a convenient “Get out of Jail Free Card” for their pets. When they use it against you, they’ll simply use a parallel construction of other data they have on you to make the case after having identified you by camera.

  13. the technology has been widely criticized by privacy advocates for built-in racial biases

    I think this is more the issue. Just as that Microsoft chatbot turned out to be racist and nazi, they are afraid that the facial recognition thing will excel at detecting black criminals and shoplifters, mainly.

    And secondarily gypsy pickpockets, “people with golden chains” scammers, and such and such.

    • Replies: @unit472
    @Dumbo

    Got to agree this facial recognition technology would be a boon for companies like Walmart, Kroger, Target etc. who typically trespass anyone caught shoplifting at their stores. Of course the problem you have is to identify them when they return to the same or a different store. If loss prevention can be automatically notified that a trespassed individual has entered the store they can be located and held for police.

    Huge numbers of problem shoppers can thereby be excluded from entering America's biggest retail establishments. This would reduce theft and enhance the shopping experience of good customers.

    , @Alden
    @Dumbo

    Liberals also object to the practice in many states of taking DNA samples of everyone arrested and putting the samples in the data bases of unsolved crimes.

    It’s racist!!!! Those DNA samples cleared so many old cases committed by blacks. There was talk of ACLU ADL AJC NAACP lawsuits filed with the intention of getting findings and rulings by liberal judges that using DNA to solve crimes and file criminal charges has the dreaded disparate impact. Well it does.

    Like requiring a steel mill foreman to be able to read the operations manual. Kaiser vs Weber, 1979. The Supreme representatives of Satan on earth ruled it is discriminatory to require a steel mill foreman be able to read. Or learn the basic middle school facts about how iron,

    Replies: @David In TN

    , @gent
    @Dumbo

    They're afraid that law enforcement will occur.

    , @guest
    @Dumbo

    If there are any built-in racial biases, they run against lighter-skinned people. Because computers have an easier time recognizing that kind of person.

    In reality, the so-called “bias” derives from the fact that technology allows favored races to get caught doing things government and businesses don’t like.

  14. It stands to reason that they don’t want you to know how many undercover cops, government and intelligence agents are involved in the riots. Think of them as “community organizers”.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    @BB753

    That is more true than you know. Foreign intelligence of all countries, ours included, are mapping each other's operatives and with 5G, it will only get more difficult to hide. The days of James Bond flitting around are over and done with. We are constantly being hacked by the Chinese and others and one of the things they are aiming for are general databases that can give 'tells' on all the little things that would reveal who someone really is and what they would be up to. The standard cover stories of the past don't mean shit now.

    I read one article, cannot vouch for the veracity, that claimed the reason the US closed the Chinese Consulate in Houston is that they are identifying the protesters and communicating with them via snap chat and they are probably using IIA. The Chinese are trying their own color revolution on us here.

    Replies: @BB753, @Feryl, @Nicholas Stix

    , @Muggles
    @BB753


    It stands to reason that they don’t want you to know how many undercover cops, government and intelligence agents are involved in the riots. Think of them as “community organizers”.
     
    So how many are there? You seem confident that there are many.

    I have assumed that antifa (especially) and even BLM rioters would have amongst them quite a few undercovers from the feds, even state and local LEOs. But either they do and they aren't being used for anything legal like arrests, or they don't exist.

    For commie Portland, it seems like regular policing and riot control is barely operational. That comes from the top, not the rank and file.

    So the reality might be that the locusts are free to eat all of your grain. No one is going to try and prevent that. As I wrote in a prior comment about the Santa Monica looter caravans, what use is a police state if the police won't stop actual crime? Even in 'normal' police states of every political type they are normally pretty strict about street crime and things like assault, robbery, theft, etc.

    So Woketopia is going to be overrun with violent/insane criminals while the cops hand out speeding tickets and zoning violations to the victim public? In the Woketopia microcosms (Seattle, Portland, Minneapolis, etc.) that seems to be the reality.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @BB753

  15. Not allowed to use technology to identify criminals
    NOT allowed to gather information about criminals

    This is just another of the many rules that favors criminals and reduce safety for law abiding citizens, including, or especially safety for Blacks

    Not allowed to tell the race of criminals

    Not allowed to show photos and details about underage criminals, or allegedly underage adult criminals

    Not allowed to show cruelty perpetrated by criminals

    Human Rights are for Criminals

    https://sincerity.net/sensational-violence/

    Restriction of #TRUESPEECH.

    “The Press will refrain from inappropriately sensational portrayal of violence, brutality and suffering” [German PresseKodex #11];

    “preservation of human dignity” [German PresseKodex #1];

    “the Press must exercise especial restraint reporting crimes committed by young persons” [German PresseKodex #13.3];

    The seemingly innocuous media code rules #1 to 3 appear neutral, on the surface. These regulations mandate to withhold true information and thus the press code restricts true speech.

    True speech is not permissible, restricted by a variety of media code regulations. Even we were unaware of this multitude of true speech restrictions, until we read the sanctions and reprimands of the German and Austrian Media Council.

    • Replies: @Fun
    @SINCERITY.net

    Law enforcement agencies all over the world have been gradually adopting facial recognition tech without much public awareness or protest. They claim this is to "fight crime", an excuse that gives them unlimited license to deploy the technology. Big tech is compiling massive, universal databases for tracking people in real time. Governments are building up surveillance infrastructure, and using all that data for whatever purposes they desire. There's no strong legal regime preventing or even slowing this down.

    It's a bigger problem than the MSM self-censoring on race. If Portland does the right thing for the wrong reason, fine with that.

  16. @Anon
    Kristina Narayan was arrested for interfering with police during the Forever Riot in Portland. She's the legislative director for Oregon Democrat Speaker of the House Tina Kotek. That law is just a desperate attempt by the Democrats to protect their own people from arrest, and to hide the fact that Democratic politicians in Oregon are coordinating the riots behind the scenes. The Democrats must be deranged if they think they're going to get votes by promoting chaos. They think exactly like retarded Arab terrorists.

    1. Riot!
    2. ?
    3. Profit!

    They're stupid as hell.

    https://freebeacon.com/democrats/portland-police-arrest-dem-staffer-during-riot/

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Almost Missouri, @anonymous, @duncsbaby, @Libre

    Forever Riot is good.

    • Agree: Adam Smith, J.Ross
    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  17. @El Dato

    The huge breakthrough in recent years appears to have been that one firm came up with a system with virtually no false positives.
     
    That just means it has set the dial to reject anything where the machine isn't completely sure. Which is a good approach, but how many matches does it really get at that point?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hypnotoad666

    A lot.

    There really has been a big leap forward in facial recognition in the last few years.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Steve Sailer


    There really has been a big leap forward in facial recognition in the last few years.
     
    Really? Last thing I read said that most of the systems did real well on the standard test facial database of 5000 people, but not so well on one of a million people, which says to me that they had been tuned to pass the test.
  18. @Lot
    My unprincipled view is that because I personally don’t have access to facial id tech, it is good for the government to stop those who do, like Jeff Bezos and Walgreens and CVS.

    I have little problem with law enforcement using it however.

    Does Portland PD even have a use for it though? They catch and release violent criminals by the hundreds, and then eventually “no complaint” them.

    It isn’t just a Portland issue, Oregon in general has a crap justice system. I know of one case, a guy with open warrants in six different counties, mostly several open warrants in each one. Theft, sexual assault, lots of meth charges, many driving drunk and without a license. Each county is too cheap to prosecute or even jail him, so he drifts along, bringing dysfunction, addiction, STDs, and general misery to those he encounters.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Agree. Since the local DAs just release all the rioters anyway, not IDing them doesn’t change much, except it makes it harder for the public to notice who the rioters are (the pets of the people passing the facial recog ban).

    For private parties, I’m not sure how this ban is supposed to work. Technically, the data processing probably happens at some center out of town/state, so not in Portland’s jurisdiction. Legally, even if the government has technical jurisdiction, they can’t ban you from noticing stuff, even with a machine assist, or from communicating with a machine/person elsewhere who has noticed stuff (facially recognized someone). I suppose they can ban you from acting on what you notice, but that’s mostly banned already.

  19. South Africa: Nationwide protests about hair-care advert.

    https://mol.im/a/8713505 [Daily Mail]

    • Replies: @bruce county
    @anon


    South Africa: Nationwide protests about hair-care advert.
     
    It's just another piece of kindling to stoke the war of hate on whites for the EFF.
    "We are not calling for the slaughter of white people, at least for now."
  20. @Anon
    Kristina Narayan was arrested for interfering with police during the Forever Riot in Portland. She's the legislative director for Oregon Democrat Speaker of the House Tina Kotek. That law is just a desperate attempt by the Democrats to protect their own people from arrest, and to hide the fact that Democratic politicians in Oregon are coordinating the riots behind the scenes. The Democrats must be deranged if they think they're going to get votes by promoting chaos. They think exactly like retarded Arab terrorists.

    1. Riot!
    2. ?
    3. Profit!

    They're stupid as hell.

    https://freebeacon.com/democrats/portland-police-arrest-dem-staffer-during-riot/

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Almost Missouri, @anonymous, @duncsbaby, @Libre

    exactly like retarded Arab terrorists

    To be fair, after 9/11 the US doubled Muslim immigration. So the

    1. Riot!
    2. ?
    3. Profit!

    sequence really did work for them.

    Of course, that’s not because they’re not retarded, but because we are retarded.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Almost Missouri


    To be fair, after 9/11 the US doubled Muslim immigration. So the

    1. Riot!
    2. ?
    3. Profit!
     
    sequence really did work for them.

    Of course, that’s not because they’re not retarded, but because we are retarded.
     

    This was absolutely, the dumbest response to a terrorist attack--ever.

    I could forgive Bush, the "invade"--a traditional "you f'd with me" response--if he would have skipped the "invite" and instead said the obvious: "Hey this diversity thing is a bit tricky, let's put a hold on that" and battened down the hatches.

    Imagine if we'd responded to Pearl Harbor by both bombing Japanese cities and inviting Japanese to come to America and join our military, intelligence and internal security services.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @GoRedWings!

  21. I’m with you on the use of this tool for after-the-fact investigation of crime. However, some people do look ahead, or across the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans, and see the Orwellian programs that are being developed and in use already based on facial recognition. The networking of the cameras and the tracking of people in real time, even picture-taking of drivers for later tracking (whether for red-light tickets, toll avoidance, whatever) is sick, sick stuff.

    There could be a middle ground, as the FAA/NTSB/airlines/pilots unions did with CVRs (Cockpit Voice Recorders). However, that takes people involved that are concerned with safeguarding rights and preventing abuse. For some of this Orwellian spying on citizens, who really knows if it’s even going on?

    I’d want to be on the safe side. If I saw the antifa goofballs tearing down or shooting out cameras rather than destroying businesses and beating (or trying to beat) up on actual peaceful protest groups, I’d be very much on their side.

  22. I always thought a flame thrower would be the best tool against rioters, but I guess I’m approaching this from a more pragmatic angle.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Mike Tre

    Too much screaming ……. beehive anti personnel round…….

    , @Alden
    @Mike Tre

    The cost of caring for the surving burn victims would be prohibitive.

    Unless of course the Soros Ford Kellog ACT BLUE DNC etc foundations provide their on call rioters with health insurance. Actually, as employees independent contractors day labor the burned rioters would be covered by workmen’s compensation, the worst health insurance system in the country.

    Technically, the rioters are classified as day labor.

    , @Travis
    @Mike Tre

    I assumed they had banned tear gas when i glanced at the headline.
    Our law enforcement teams have plenty of useful tools to disperse the protesters, in addition to tear gas, pepper spray, water hoses, Sound Cannons, etc...

    , @Anon
    @Mike Tre

    Not necessarily. The ones in the ranks further back will refuse to move so the ones up front get crisped for the cameras. It's all about publicity, you know.

    , @Muggles
    @Mike Tre


    I always thought a flame thrower would be the best tool against rioters, but I guess I’m approaching this from a more pragmatic angle.
     
    Yes. And thanks to that hilarious hotfoot Portland antifa goon and his flaming slippers Molotov cocktail dance, we know that the rioters are not going to be using actual flamethrowers themselves.

    Like small children, they aren't capable of using fire or matches without hurting themselves.
    , @The King is a Fink
    @Mike Tre

    As always, South Africa leads the way:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLhWzMOccTg
     

    Replies: @Prof. Woland

  23. OT: I bet they’ll make their first episode about the political lobby so powerful it’s just called ‘The Lobby’ and which controls the levels of war and peace.

  24. The ban will be lifted if the civil disobedience becomes predominantly right-wing.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Colin Wright


    The ban will be lifted if the civil disobedience becomes predominantly right-wing.
     
    One of the most obvious statements imaginable.

    But not making fun of it. It's also a statement that precisely outlines the nature of contemporary politics in the West and the nature of our "left".
  25. The city of Portland, Oregon, on Wednesday banned the use of facial-recognition technology by city departments — including local police — as well as public-facing businesses such as stores, restaurants and hotels.

    I bet they’d repeal the ban pretty quick if there were “neo-Nazi white supremacist Klansmen” rioting in their city for 100 days straight…

    • Agree: bruce county
    • LOL: Hibernian
    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    @Dr. X

    Precisely, Doc. So the ban itself should be taken as proof that the rioters are NOT mysterious right-wing agitators. The very fact of its passage shows that Portland decision-makers know full well that the rioters are fellow leftists, to whom they are extending a professional courtesy.

    , @tyrone
    @Dr. X

    True, except there aren't enough "neo-nazi white supremacist klansmen " for a proper riot.

  26. I doubt the motivation for this is to protect the rioters. The ban applies to local law enforcement, which isn’t arresting and prosecuting the rioters anyway, so this doesn’t add much.

    That leaves some other possibilities: the council wants to encourage crime, or the council truly believes in the privacy argument.

  27. @Anonymous
    OT:

    Steve, what do you think of this hot conservative babe Andrews? She is pretty sharp.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/270035/

    There seems to be a pattern of aging beauties who are right wing pundits. Over 30's 40's sexy plus brains. I guess Noonan was the vanguard although Schafly looks great in some youth photos.

    Anyway this part of Andrew's excellent article is bull:

    But if affirmative action is abolished, the result will be an ethnically lopsided Ivy League and, soon, an ethnically lopsided national elite...

    Uhh ... high tide for Jews is passing (overall effect on institutions was very negative ---- Ivy League & Media & Law all more corrupt and poisoned with Jewish revolutionary spirit aka intellectually defective Bolshevism) ... military left standing as America's most trusted institution. Wonder why. Coincidentally very few Jews in the military.

    ...And the Asian elite thing in America was/is just not happening. Asian intellect is heavily skewed to math/science. Sorry they are not elite otherwise. Sorry. I'm sick of waiting for them to kick our supposedly lame white asses. That scenario is a joke.

    Jews are great math/science people and overrated otherwise. Look at the entire history of modern Israel. None of those leaders would make it big in America. None.

    And the Asian thing is even more impossible. Ludicrous to think they will rule as the new American elite. We are not f*cking Peru.

    Replies: @clyde, @dfordoom, @Jesse, @AnotherDad

    Jews are great math/science people and overrated otherwise. Look at the entire history of modern Israel. None of those leaders would make it big in America. None.

    You are hallucinating about the battle hardened Israeli leaders. Plus they are all nationalists.

  28. This is politics, when people show up and support you, you protect them. You can’t expect to win when your supporters face arrest or face poverty because of their support for you, and you also won’t give them any material benefit after you win.

    The GOP equivalent of this would be a ban on political or social media related firings. Failing that, how about a month cushion. Everyone must get full pay and benefits until the end of the next calendar month after the incident.

    What will actually happen instead is red zones will get big money to implement facial recognition technology so that we can be more easily controlled.

  29. @Dr. X

    The city of Portland, Oregon, on Wednesday banned the use of facial-recognition technology by city departments — including local police — as well as public-facing businesses such as stores, restaurants and hotels.
     
    I bet they'd repeal the ban pretty quick if there were "neo-Nazi white supremacist Klansmen" rioting in their city for 100 days straight...

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @tyrone

    Precisely, Doc. So the ban itself should be taken as proof that the rioters are NOT mysterious right-wing agitators. The very fact of its passage shows that Portland decision-makers know full well that the rioters are fellow leftists, to whom they are extending a professional courtesy.

  30. @Neoconned
    @Kronos

    Supposedly Juggalo clown make up can dodge most or all of these tech processes. I'm kinda on the fence on this 1 myself. I see the obvious usage to nab arsonists etc but even Drudge fears this Phillip K Dick type fusion of police surveillance state bulls-it and corporate power. I'm kinda of the opinion of ".....yea you may use it while Trump is in power but what happens when the pendulum swings the other way & the thugs in charge turn the pre-cog tech on your ass & you have to pull a Minority Report....?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/09/09/iraq-troop-withdrawl-410723

    Anyhow Trump is beginning another troop withdrawal from our quagmires in Iraq and Afghanistan....probably why many in the officer corp & the military industrial complex pipeline are so pissy w him.....hes f--king up their racketeering and sinecure "industries".....the military.....especially the Chair Force is a gravy train service....

    My uncle who lives in the Bay Area retired at 38 with a naval pension & then had a 2nd career as a DoD civilian goldbricker where he draws a 2nd pension and even managed to pull another partial 15 yr CALPERS pension by riding that train.

    I seriously need to get into govt....the private sector truly is overrated despite the Art Laffer types and the Reaganites spouting it as free market gospel....i guess if they mean private sector they mean a cushy military industrial complex contractor job pushing paper or something.....

    Replies: @Brian Reilly, @Kronos

    Neo, You are too late to get into and profit from a government job as your uncle did. It was a ponzi-style scheme from the start, and now we are in the time when it collapses. Math and all of that.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  31. @Anonymous
    OT:

    Steve, what do you think of this hot conservative babe Andrews? She is pretty sharp.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/270035/

    There seems to be a pattern of aging beauties who are right wing pundits. Over 30's 40's sexy plus brains. I guess Noonan was the vanguard although Schafly looks great in some youth photos.

    Anyway this part of Andrew's excellent article is bull:

    But if affirmative action is abolished, the result will be an ethnically lopsided Ivy League and, soon, an ethnically lopsided national elite...

    Uhh ... high tide for Jews is passing (overall effect on institutions was very negative ---- Ivy League & Media & Law all more corrupt and poisoned with Jewish revolutionary spirit aka intellectually defective Bolshevism) ... military left standing as America's most trusted institution. Wonder why. Coincidentally very few Jews in the military.

    ...And the Asian elite thing in America was/is just not happening. Asian intellect is heavily skewed to math/science. Sorry they are not elite otherwise. Sorry. I'm sick of waiting for them to kick our supposedly lame white asses. That scenario is a joke.

    Jews are great math/science people and overrated otherwise. Look at the entire history of modern Israel. None of those leaders would make it big in America. None.

    And the Asian thing is even more impossible. Ludicrous to think they will rule as the new American elite. We are not f*cking Peru.

    Replies: @clyde, @dfordoom, @Jesse, @AnotherDad

    military left standing as America’s most trusted institution.

    There are people who trust the American military? Dear God.

    • LOL: Mark G.
  32. Portland can vote for a new city council next election, or not. Its their choice.

  33. Was the CIA similarly banned from reporting, on the pandemic spreading in Wuhan in late 2019/early 2020, to the President and the Congressional intelligence committees?

  34. @Dumbo

    the technology has been widely criticized by privacy advocates for built-in racial biases
     
    I think this is more the issue. Just as that Microsoft chatbot turned out to be racist and nazi, they are afraid that the facial recognition thing will excel at detecting black criminals and shoplifters, mainly.

    And secondarily gypsy pickpockets, "people with golden chains" scammers, and such and such.

    Replies: @unit472, @Alden, @gent, @guest

    Got to agree this facial recognition technology would be a boon for companies like Walmart, Kroger, Target etc. who typically trespass anyone caught shoplifting at their stores. Of course the problem you have is to identify them when they return to the same or a different store. If loss prevention can be automatically notified that a trespassed individual has entered the store they can be located and held for police.

    Huge numbers of problem shoppers can thereby be excluded from entering America’s biggest retail establishments. This would reduce theft and enhance the shopping experience of good customers.

  35. I haven’t thought much about this, but my first take is that privacy in public spaces isn’t assured. If a happenstance eye-witness is allowed to testify, why shouldn’t a machine?

    Private spaces are a completely different matter, of course.

    I’m not sure the legal definition of public/private. For the above, I mean “can you arrange so that it’s reasonable to believe that no one can see what you do”. Your home? Yes. A bathroom stall in a restaurant? Yes. A hotel lobby? No.

    • Replies: @Tono Bungay
    @megabar

    I disagree, although your logic is good. I think we all need public spaces in which we can be relatively sure that we're not being watched by hypercompetent machines. When we've lost them we'll miss them.

    Replies: @megabar, @J1234

  36. @Dr. X

    The city of Portland, Oregon, on Wednesday banned the use of facial-recognition technology by city departments — including local police — as well as public-facing businesses such as stores, restaurants and hotels.
     
    I bet they'd repeal the ban pretty quick if there were "neo-Nazi white supremacist Klansmen" rioting in their city for 100 days straight...

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @tyrone

    True, except there aren’t enough “neo-nazi white supremacist klansmen ” for a proper riot.

  37. @Dumbo

    the technology has been widely criticized by privacy advocates for built-in racial biases
     
    I think this is more the issue. Just as that Microsoft chatbot turned out to be racist and nazi, they are afraid that the facial recognition thing will excel at detecting black criminals and shoplifters, mainly.

    And secondarily gypsy pickpockets, "people with golden chains" scammers, and such and such.

    Replies: @unit472, @Alden, @gent, @guest

    Liberals also object to the practice in many states of taking DNA samples of everyone arrested and putting the samples in the data bases of unsolved crimes.

    It’s racist!!!! Those DNA samples cleared so many old cases committed by blacks. There was talk of ACLU ADL AJC NAACP lawsuits filed with the intention of getting findings and rulings by liberal judges that using DNA to solve crimes and file criminal charges has the dreaded disparate impact. Well it does.

    Like requiring a steel mill foreman to be able to read the operations manual. Kaiser vs Weber, 1979. The Supreme representatives of Satan on earth ruled it is discriminatory to require a steel mill foreman be able to read. Or learn the basic middle school facts about how iron,

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Alden

    The LA Times and the MSM fought taking DNA samples and DNA databases in general. Among many cases cleared were John Floyd Thomas AKA Westside Rapist and Lonnie Franklin AKA The Grim Sleeper.

    Thomas, ironically, was caught in a DNA sweep in 2009 intended for the Grim Sleeper. Thomas had raped and murdered elderly white women in Los Angeles County for decades.

    Franklin was arrested a year after Thomas due to familial DNA, also opposed by the Usual Suspects.

    Thomas pleaded guilty to LWOP. Franklin took six years to go to trial, in a surprise, got the death penalty.

    Franklin died while on San Quentin's "Death Row." Thomas still lives incarcerated.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  38. @Mike Tre
    I always thought a flame thrower would be the best tool against rioters, but I guess I'm approaching this from a more pragmatic angle.

    Replies: @tyrone, @Alden, @Travis, @Anon, @Muggles, @The King is a Fink

    Too much screaming ……. beehive anti personnel round…….

  39. The Chicago Police Department has created a web page with photos of looters and has asked the public to help identify them. Apparently the CPD has also been denied use of facial-recognition software, so it has to go about identifying criminals 1990s style.

    https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-police-ask-public-to-help-identify-suspected-downtown-looters/2321401/

    As with the border wall and e-verify, the left pretends to object that it won’t work, but actually fears that it will.

    • Replies: @S
    @Harry Baldwin


    As with the border wall and e-verify, the left pretends to object that it won’t work, but actually fears that it will.
     
    But, just to be safe, they'll ban whatever it is they say won't work, (but really does). 😀
  40. @Mike Tre
    I always thought a flame thrower would be the best tool against rioters, but I guess I'm approaching this from a more pragmatic angle.

    Replies: @tyrone, @Alden, @Travis, @Anon, @Muggles, @The King is a Fink

    The cost of caring for the surving burn victims would be prohibitive.

    Unless of course the Soros Ford Kellog ACT BLUE DNC etc foundations provide their on call rioters with health insurance. Actually, as employees independent contractors day labor the burned rioters would be covered by workmen’s compensation, the worst health insurance system in the country.

    Technically, the rioters are classified as day labor.

  41. anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Kristina Narayan was arrested for interfering with police during the Forever Riot in Portland. She's the legislative director for Oregon Democrat Speaker of the House Tina Kotek. That law is just a desperate attempt by the Democrats to protect their own people from arrest, and to hide the fact that Democratic politicians in Oregon are coordinating the riots behind the scenes. The Democrats must be deranged if they think they're going to get votes by promoting chaos. They think exactly like retarded Arab terrorists.

    1. Riot!
    2. ?
    3. Profit!

    They're stupid as hell.

    https://freebeacon.com/democrats/portland-police-arrest-dem-staffer-during-riot/

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Almost Missouri, @anonymous, @duncsbaby, @Libre

    Not only are some of rioters connected to Democratic elites, but facial recognition will allow the tracking of the movement of anarchists across various rioting hot spots. Given that there are now numerous links showing that rioters are being sheltered at so called homeless and refugee centers it is not hard to believe direct government and NGO logistical support for the anarcho-terrorist war against the kulaks.

  42. @Mike Tre
    I always thought a flame thrower would be the best tool against rioters, but I guess I'm approaching this from a more pragmatic angle.

    Replies: @tyrone, @Alden, @Travis, @Anon, @Muggles, @The King is a Fink

    I assumed they had banned tear gas when i glanced at the headline.
    Our law enforcement teams have plenty of useful tools to disperse the protesters, in addition to tear gas, pepper spray, water hoses, Sound Cannons, etc…

  43. Facial recognition technology is one bad step on a very bad path to the extinction of privacy. A better policy against the riots and looting would be one that says “No means no” and then unhesitatingly uses very strong applications of clubbing etc. The resort to technical solutions is almost always due to the want of courage to apply force where it’s needed.

  44. @megabar
    I haven't thought much about this, but my first take is that privacy in public spaces isn't assured. If a happenstance eye-witness is allowed to testify, why shouldn't a machine?

    Private spaces are a completely different matter, of course.

    I'm not sure the legal definition of public/private. For the above, I mean "can you arrange so that it's reasonable to believe that no one can see what you do". Your home? Yes. A bathroom stall in a restaurant? Yes. A hotel lobby? No.

    Replies: @Tono Bungay

    I disagree, although your logic is good. I think we all need public spaces in which we can be relatively sure that we’re not being watched by hypercompetent machines. When we’ve lost them we’ll miss them.

    • Replies: @megabar
    @Tono Bungay

    > I think we all need public spaces in which we can be relatively sure that we’re not being watched by hypercompetent machines.

    I get it. For example, I oppose cameras that hand out traffic violations, even though a cop can do the same.

    The reasons for the difference are nuanced, having to do with the severity of crimes being prevented, the abuse in the name of revenue-raising, and, if I'm being honest, how annoying it is to me personally.

    I still disagree with you, but I'm not committed to my position.

    , @J1234
    @Tono Bungay

    I agree. Using facial recognition technology to combat crime during a time of social unrest reeks of passing the Patriot Act to combat terrorism after 9/11. Unforeseen consequences factor is likely pretty high.

  45. Portland bans air travel because it allows people to get somewhere too quickly.

  46. Anon[642] • Disclaimer says:

    “Banned” meaning what? A fine? It seems like “parallel construction” would come in handy here, like the FBI does to conceal 4th Amendment violations. ID someone with facial recognition, put up a wanted flyer with a contract method, then claim you got an anonymous tip.

    The feds can ignore this for federal property, rioters crossing state lines, multistate conspiracies like Antifa RICO actions, and any number of other federal nexus situations. Trump, get on the ball!

  47. Biden has a TV AD claiming that the rioters are right wing militias and that Trump is fanning the flames.

    Democrats; one week claiming the rioters are righteous, peaceful protesters against racist White police who hunt down innocent blacks like Floyd

    Next week claiming the rioters are White KKK militia cheered on by Trump.

    I wish Trump would just run TV ADs showing not just the 2020 riots but Rodney King and other riots going back to the 196os. With just one sentence. This is X, a democrat run city. Do you want your town destroyed by Democrats?

    Now Biden is chastising Trump for not wearing a mask.

    Ha; being surrounded by secret service other politicians all the time, the fact that elderly Trump hasn’t got covid hoax in 6 months of not wearing a mask is not conclusive , but a great deal of evidence that there’s no need to wear a mask. Trump’s respiratory system is probably in better shape than most mask wearers because he hasn’t been breathing carbon dioxide for the last 6 months.

    Saw 2 Drs in March. Both assured me those medical masks are totally useless. Because the open flaps let in every virus germs bacteria even dust and dirt.

    I knew covid was a hoax from day one. Why? Because the NYSLIMES Chicago Tribune LASLIMES Washington Post and every newspaper claimed it was the new Spanish Flu. Every word in the MSM is a lie.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  48. @BB753
    It stands to reason that they don't want you to know how many undercover cops, government and intelligence agents are involved in the riots. Think of them as "community organizers".

    Replies: @Prof. Woland, @Muggles

    That is more true than you know. Foreign intelligence of all countries, ours included, are mapping each other’s operatives and with 5G, it will only get more difficult to hide. The days of James Bond flitting around are over and done with. We are constantly being hacked by the Chinese and others and one of the things they are aiming for are general databases that can give ‘tells’ on all the little things that would reveal who someone really is and what they would be up to. The standard cover stories of the past don’t mean shit now.

    I read one article, cannot vouch for the veracity, that claimed the reason the US closed the Chinese Consulate in Houston is that they are identifying the protesters and communicating with them via snap chat and they are probably using IIA. The Chinese are trying their own color revolution on us here.

    • Thanks: BB753
    • Replies: @BB753
    @Prof. Woland

    Every sign points to a home-made color revolution, but maybe the Chinese or the Israeli are joining in the fun. Who knows?

    Replies: @anon

    , @Feryl
    @Prof. Woland

    I think it's been the case that since the mid-20th century, developed countries have had the means to identify/apprehend the vast majority of spies, terrorists, criminal masterminds, etc. But there isn't always the will, or the competence*, among leadership to nullify all the bad guys. Plus, we often "turn" dubious characters to be on "our" side. Why arrest a monster when he can used by us for a change? Then there's the fact that many of the "white hat" power players and their minions are often themselves sociopathic.

    *If you read about true crime, back in the 70's and 80's there were thousands of serial rapists and hundreds of serial killers, yet investigations often went nowhere because local law enforcement agencies often didn't share information, evidence, or ideas with each other. Possible connections between crimes in different cities were often dissmissed based on vague hunches. Thanks to DNA, we now know a relatively small group of people commit most violent sex crimes.

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Prof. Woland

    "The days of James Bond flitting around are over and done with."

    Since those days never existed, your implied contrast collapses.

  49. Government workers need to be mic’d, on-camera, and live-streamed for the entirety of their “duty” shifts; I am absolutely loving how schoolteachers are balking at that.

    For elected officials, 24×7.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Abolish_public_education

    Do you really want to see Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden naked?

  50. Trigger warning: World Socialist Web Site

    Democrats and media silent on execution of Michael Reinoehl by US Marshals

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/09/10/rein-s10.html

  51. The big worry among Portland politicians is not that facial recognition technology will fail but that it will succeed in putting their supporters in jail for arson, vandalism, and mayhem.

    That may be true but I agree with them. Facial recognition software, really any technology that makes privacy impossible, is a profane attack on basic human rights.

    People are not free if their movements are tracked.

  52. @Mike Tre
    I always thought a flame thrower would be the best tool against rioters, but I guess I'm approaching this from a more pragmatic angle.

    Replies: @tyrone, @Alden, @Travis, @Anon, @Muggles, @The King is a Fink

    Not necessarily. The ones in the ranks further back will refuse to move so the ones up front get crisped for the cameras. It’s all about publicity, you know.

  53. Frankly I fail to see how they intend to put that particular genie back into the bottle, with apps and smart goggles already in the pipeline, only just held back from becoming socialised by a timid popo unwilling to give up their monopoly.
    It´s over – get over it.

  54. @Anonymous
    OT:

    Steve, what do you think of this hot conservative babe Andrews? She is pretty sharp.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/270035/

    There seems to be a pattern of aging beauties who are right wing pundits. Over 30's 40's sexy plus brains. I guess Noonan was the vanguard although Schafly looks great in some youth photos.

    Anyway this part of Andrew's excellent article is bull:

    But if affirmative action is abolished, the result will be an ethnically lopsided Ivy League and, soon, an ethnically lopsided national elite...

    Uhh ... high tide for Jews is passing (overall effect on institutions was very negative ---- Ivy League & Media & Law all more corrupt and poisoned with Jewish revolutionary spirit aka intellectually defective Bolshevism) ... military left standing as America's most trusted institution. Wonder why. Coincidentally very few Jews in the military.

    ...And the Asian elite thing in America was/is just not happening. Asian intellect is heavily skewed to math/science. Sorry they are not elite otherwise. Sorry. I'm sick of waiting for them to kick our supposedly lame white asses. That scenario is a joke.

    Jews are great math/science people and overrated otherwise. Look at the entire history of modern Israel. None of those leaders would make it big in America. None.

    And the Asian thing is even more impossible. Ludicrous to think they will rule as the new American elite. We are not f*cking Peru.

    Replies: @clyde, @dfordoom, @Jesse, @AnotherDad

    Apples versus oranges. Israeli leaders have done a decent job of surviving (no mean feat) and gradually dismantling local/regional hatreds. (That the Palestinians are the Florida Man of the region probably helps.)

    They’ve done a better job of keeping the ethnic balance, although (1) that’s been less efficient than many here think (a lot of their workers are Arabs/Thai etc, because Bidness want cheap labor) and (2) that brings the new challenge of assimilating the Chasidim into something other than being parasites. (It’s an interesting question of nature and nurture, because once pushed into the wider economy (in both the US and Israel), they’ve turned out to be quite bright.)

    Plus, not being able to make it as an elite in the US doesn’t have to mean you’d make a bad one. In fact, considering the incentives, quite the opposite. You don’t have to like then or their means but, in the situation they’re in, they’re doing a decent enough job for their country.

  55. If businesses can’t be protected by the local municipalities, they should be allowed to identify the criminal through software. I thought NYC had the most useless mayor but Portland proves there’s a bigger hack out there. Can the local businesses file a class action suit against the city/mayor?

  56. @Neoconned
    @Kronos

    Supposedly Juggalo clown make up can dodge most or all of these tech processes. I'm kinda on the fence on this 1 myself. I see the obvious usage to nab arsonists etc but even Drudge fears this Phillip K Dick type fusion of police surveillance state bulls-it and corporate power. I'm kinda of the opinion of ".....yea you may use it while Trump is in power but what happens when the pendulum swings the other way & the thugs in charge turn the pre-cog tech on your ass & you have to pull a Minority Report....?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/09/09/iraq-troop-withdrawl-410723

    Anyhow Trump is beginning another troop withdrawal from our quagmires in Iraq and Afghanistan....probably why many in the officer corp & the military industrial complex pipeline are so pissy w him.....hes f--king up their racketeering and sinecure "industries".....the military.....especially the Chair Force is a gravy train service....

    My uncle who lives in the Bay Area retired at 38 with a naval pension & then had a 2nd career as a DoD civilian goldbricker where he draws a 2nd pension and even managed to pull another partial 15 yr CALPERS pension by riding that train.

    I seriously need to get into govt....the private sector truly is overrated despite the Art Laffer types and the Reaganites spouting it as free market gospel....i guess if they mean private sector they mean a cushy military industrial complex contractor job pushing paper or something.....

    Replies: @Brian Reilly, @Kronos

    My uncle who lives in the Bay Area retired at 38 with a naval pension & then had a 2nd career as a DoD civilian goldbricker where he draws a 2nd pension and even managed to pull another partial 15 yr CALPERS pension by riding that train.

    Make it rain money baby! Where do I sign up?

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Kronos

    Hes 80 now....i guess he was in on the Good Old Boy system pipeline officers use to get MIC jobs after they leave the service.

    Replies: @Kronos

    , @Alden
    @Kronos

    Here’s the greatest and longest pension story I’ve ever heard. Mary, my grandmother’s cousin.

    She was an Rn. She went to nursing school when the RN program was only 3 years. So at age 20 she went to work for the state of California public health department.

    When she was 46, her parents became old and sickly and needed a caretaker. Mary was the only child who’d worked long enough to get a pension. So the family agreed that Mary would quit her job, get her pension and take of her parents.

    In return, the parents would put Mary as joint tenant on their paid for, mortgage free house. That meant there’d be just title transfer tax, no inheritance tax when the parents died.

    Everyone agreed and Mary quit work and began receiving her pension.

    Mary lived to be 104 years old. Received her cost of living increase state pension for 58 years.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @Truth

  57. @Kronos
    @Neoconned


    My uncle who lives in the Bay Area retired at 38 with a naval pension & then had a 2nd career as a DoD civilian goldbricker where he draws a 2nd pension and even managed to pull another partial 15 yr CALPERS pension by riding that train.

     

    Make it rain money baby! Where do I sign up?

    https://youtu.be/Gj3bnyI3TLo

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Alden

    Hes 80 now….i guess he was in on the Good Old Boy system pipeline officers use to get MIC jobs after they leave the service.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Neoconned

    Well, so much for high hopes...

    https://i.imgflip.com/t5jc4.jpg

  58. @Kronos
    @Neoconned


    My uncle who lives in the Bay Area retired at 38 with a naval pension & then had a 2nd career as a DoD civilian goldbricker where he draws a 2nd pension and even managed to pull another partial 15 yr CALPERS pension by riding that train.

     

    Make it rain money baby! Where do I sign up?

    https://youtu.be/Gj3bnyI3TLo

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Alden

    Here’s the greatest and longest pension story I’ve ever heard. Mary, my grandmother’s cousin.

    She was an Rn. She went to nursing school when the RN program was only 3 years. So at age 20 she went to work for the state of California public health department.

    When she was 46, her parents became old and sickly and needed a caretaker. Mary was the only child who’d worked long enough to get a pension. So the family agreed that Mary would quit her job, get her pension and take of her parents.

    In return, the parents would put Mary as joint tenant on their paid for, mortgage free house. That meant there’d be just title transfer tax, no inheritance tax when the parents died.

    Everyone agreed and Mary quit work and began receiving her pension.

    Mary lived to be 104 years old. Received her cost of living increase state pension for 58 years.

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @Alden

    These public pension windfall (abuse of taxpayer) stories really make me PO. Despite what participants always claim about the modest size of the average, government pension, the system is intrinsically a big scheme.

    To this day, I hear adults talking among themselves, and even to their kids just starting out in the workforce, about how a government pension — availability of early retirement! — really magnifies the attractiveness of civil service employment.

    Again: Many Americans born this year, and those in years to come, will some twenty years further out be paying higher taxes in order to clear the pension checks of many recently retired, government workers.

    Outrageous!

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Truth
    @Alden

    Yeah...

    Honkees greedy.

  59. it’s almost like the authorities support the riots and want them to continue.

    sorry guys, but the police are NOT on your side in some jurisdictions. police officers are clearly the bad guys in some Democrat cities. gonna have to accept that and deal with it.

    many officers are happy to attack law abiding, rule following patriots. beat their asses, arrest them, and send them to merciless leftist AGs. at the same time they’ll stand around doing nothing while leftist rioters burn down businesses and assault other citizens.

    better not resist the street leftists though. somehow, the police magically show up in 30 seconds if you shoot a looter or get the upper hand on some leftist loser in a street fight.

  60. @Ricardo Cruz
    Actually, according to modern vocabulary, one could argue that facial recognition is
    if anything anti-racist since it has a harder time detecting black faces than whites.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe

    The simple reason the left is terrified of facial recognition software is not because it’s inaccurate, but because it’s so accurate!
    That’s why the Detroit City Council wants the DPD to stop using it!

    Detroit – where the city’s Civilian Board of Police Commissioners are arrested for disorderly conduct DURING MEETINGS!

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1045046

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Paul Jolliffe


    The simple reason the left is terrified of facial recognition software is not because it’s inaccurate, but because it’s so accurate!
     
    Same with eVerify.
  61. @anon
    South Africa: Nationwide protests about hair-care advert.

    https://mol.im/a/8713505 [Daily Mail]

    Replies: @bruce county

    South Africa: Nationwide protests about hair-care advert.

    It’s just another piece of kindling to stoke the war of hate on whites for the EFF.
    “We are not calling for the slaughter of white people, at least for now.”

  62. @El Dato

    The huge breakthrough in recent years appears to have been that one firm came up with a system with virtually no false positives.
     
    That just means it has set the dial to reject anything where the machine isn't completely sure. Which is a good approach, but how many matches does it really get at that point?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hypnotoad666

    But isn’t this facial recognition technology easily foiled . . . .

  63. @Harry Baldwin
    The Chicago Police Department has created a web page with photos of looters and has asked the public to help identify them. Apparently the CPD has also been denied use of facial-recognition software, so it has to go about identifying criminals 1990s style.

    https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-police-ask-public-to-help-identify-suspected-downtown-looters/2321401/

    As with the border wall and e-verify, the left pretends to object that it won't work, but actually fears that it will.

    Replies: @S

    As with the border wall and e-verify, the left pretends to object that it won’t work, but actually fears that it will.

    But, just to be safe, they’ll ban whatever it is they say won’t work, (but really does). 😀

  64. I am uncharacteristically with Portland on this one. The less government is able to track its citizens day to day, the better. It unbalances the power relationship between people and government.

    I am satisfied with the success rate of old-fashioned methods of policing. Where policing is failing today seems to me to be more matters of will, policy and politics than the actual ability to catch criminals.

    I vote no to the Panopticon simply out of prudence.

  65. @BB753
    It stands to reason that they don't want you to know how many undercover cops, government and intelligence agents are involved in the riots. Think of them as "community organizers".

    Replies: @Prof. Woland, @Muggles

    It stands to reason that they don’t want you to know how many undercover cops, government and intelligence agents are involved in the riots. Think of them as “community organizers”.

    So how many are there? You seem confident that there are many.

    I have assumed that antifa (especially) and even BLM rioters would have amongst them quite a few undercovers from the feds, even state and local LEOs. But either they do and they aren’t being used for anything legal like arrests, or they don’t exist.

    For commie Portland, it seems like regular policing and riot control is barely operational. That comes from the top, not the rank and file.

    So the reality might be that the locusts are free to eat all of your grain. No one is going to try and prevent that. As I wrote in a prior comment about the Santa Monica looter caravans, what use is a police state if the police won’t stop actual crime? Even in ‘normal’ police states of every political type they are normally pretty strict about street crime and things like assault, robbery, theft, etc.

    So Woketopia is going to be overrun with violent/insane criminals while the cops hand out speeding tickets and zoning violations to the victim public? In the Woketopia microcosms (Seattle, Portland, Minneapolis, etc.) that seems to be the reality.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Muggles

    Amarcho-tyranny and selective enforcement. James Fields will die in prison because he had the audacity to not want to be killed by a leftist mob. Or at least he'll die in prison unless we free him.

    , @BB753
    @Muggles

    "So Woketopia is going to be overrun with violent/insane criminals while the cops hand out speeding tickets and zoning violations to the victim public?"

    Your woketopia is a textbook definition of the modern police state, which only polices the law-abiding while letting loose or cooperating with the criminals.
    Sam Francis used to call such a state of affairs" anarcho-tyranny".
    While there might be some uncercover cops and cointel agents monitoring the BLM and Antifa movements, I have little doubt that the FBI and CIA are working with them to create havoc, with corporate money funding and following orders from the Democrats and the Deep "Deep State", just as some majors and governors are openly doing.

  66. @Mike Tre
    I always thought a flame thrower would be the best tool against rioters, but I guess I'm approaching this from a more pragmatic angle.

    Replies: @tyrone, @Alden, @Travis, @Anon, @Muggles, @The King is a Fink

    I always thought a flame thrower would be the best tool against rioters, but I guess I’m approaching this from a more pragmatic angle.

    Yes. And thanks to that hilarious hotfoot Portland antifa goon and his flaming slippers Molotov cocktail dance, we know that the rioters are not going to be using actual flamethrowers themselves.

    Like small children, they aren’t capable of using fire or matches without hurting themselves.

  67. @Dumbo

    the technology has been widely criticized by privacy advocates for built-in racial biases
     
    I think this is more the issue. Just as that Microsoft chatbot turned out to be racist and nazi, they are afraid that the facial recognition thing will excel at detecting black criminals and shoplifters, mainly.

    And secondarily gypsy pickpockets, "people with golden chains" scammers, and such and such.

    Replies: @unit472, @Alden, @gent, @guest

    They’re afraid that law enforcement will occur.

  68. @Steve Sailer
    @El Dato

    A lot.

    There really has been a big leap forward in facial recognition in the last few years.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    There really has been a big leap forward in facial recognition in the last few years.

    Really? Last thing I read said that most of the systems did real well on the standard test facial database of 5000 people, but not so well on one of a million people, which says to me that they had been tuned to pass the test.

  69. @Anonymous
    OT:

    Steve, what do you think of this hot conservative babe Andrews? She is pretty sharp.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/270035/

    There seems to be a pattern of aging beauties who are right wing pundits. Over 30's 40's sexy plus brains. I guess Noonan was the vanguard although Schafly looks great in some youth photos.

    Anyway this part of Andrew's excellent article is bull:

    But if affirmative action is abolished, the result will be an ethnically lopsided Ivy League and, soon, an ethnically lopsided national elite...

    Uhh ... high tide for Jews is passing (overall effect on institutions was very negative ---- Ivy League & Media & Law all more corrupt and poisoned with Jewish revolutionary spirit aka intellectually defective Bolshevism) ... military left standing as America's most trusted institution. Wonder why. Coincidentally very few Jews in the military.

    ...And the Asian elite thing in America was/is just not happening. Asian intellect is heavily skewed to math/science. Sorry they are not elite otherwise. Sorry. I'm sick of waiting for them to kick our supposedly lame white asses. That scenario is a joke.

    Jews are great math/science people and overrated otherwise. Look at the entire history of modern Israel. None of those leaders would make it big in America. None.

    And the Asian thing is even more impossible. Ludicrous to think they will rule as the new American elite. We are not f*cking Peru.

    Replies: @clyde, @dfordoom, @Jesse, @AnotherDad

    Jews are great math/science people and overrated otherwise. Look at the entire history of modern Israel. None of those leaders would make it big in America. None.

    This is a bit simplistic.

    The Jewish IQ profile–relative to whites–is more or less opposite the East Asians. Strong verbally, good at math, weak at visio-spatial.

    Jewish work outside of math and science is indeed mostly miserable. But it’s not because Jews are untalented, it’s because that work mostly consists of whining and lying for minoritarianism–scratching and clawing at the gentiles’ traditions, norms, religion, culture, nation, race and civilization.

    The problem is “reality is conservative”. People have their norms, traditions … because they work! (They are culturally evolved.) And, of course, white gentiles developed the most productive and successful civilization on the planet.

    And the Jews goal–make life good for a hostile middle man minority outgroup–is pretty much the worse possible organizing principle for any nation to adopt. (Short of flinging open the borders and inviting in the barbarians in to loot your stuff and have a go at your women.)

    Bottom line: Not a lack of talent, but an evil, destructive agenda.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @AnotherDad


    Jewish work outside of math and science is indeed mostly miserable. But it’s not because Jews are untalented, it’s because that work mostly consists of whining and lying for minoritarianism–scratching and clawing at the gentiles’ traditions, norms, religion, culture, nation, race and civilization.
     
    I wouldn't agree. For instance, Jews or people of visibly Jewish heritage made a very significant contribution to many areas of culture, both high-brow & low-brow. If we count also the converts to Christianity, they were essential to the 20th German-language literature (Joseph Roth, Kafka, Kraus, Broch, Canetti, Werfel, Doeblin, ...) & to a lesser degree Russian (Il'f & Petrov, Babel', Marshak, Mandel'shtam, Grossman, .. we could also add problematic Pasternak & Aksyonov). Even in Italy, where they are not numerous, Italo Svevo (Ettore Schmitz) wrote what I consider to be the best 20th C Italian novel.

    Kafka and Broch are among 10-15 greatest 20th C Western authors.

    In the US, Jews were strongly represented in post-WW2 era (Kazin, Fiedler, Mailer, Roth, Malamud, Bellow, Doctorow,..), but I don't think much of it will survive. Less known Nathanael West was, probably, an author of greater significance.

    Then, music (Mahler, Schoenberg, Bloch, Milhaud, Gershwin, ... plus 2 American gays); add numerous conductors & a whole bunch of violin virtuosi without whom musical scene is unimaginable- what can be more?

    Even in visual arts they got Pissaro, Modigliani, Soutine & Chagall, which is not something negligible.

    Add comics & other areas of popular culture- I rest my case.

  70. >The big worry among Portland politicians is not that facial recognition technology will fail but that it will succeed in putting their supporters in jail for arson, vandalism, and mayhem.

    I think that’s right, which makes this statement:

    >the technology has been widely criticized by privacy advocates for built-in racial biases

    somewhat surprising. Wouldn’t racial bias (i.e., less adept at recognizing black faces) be a “good thing” here? At least from the perspective of Portland politicians??

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @1BigJohnson


    Wouldn’t racial bias (i.e., less adept at recognizing black faces) be a “good thing” here? At least from the perspective of Portland politicians??
     
    Opponents of facial recognition technology base their opposition on false positives. However, it is just a first line screening tool, and their real objection is to true positives.
    , @guest
    @1BigJohnson

    It *would* be. But you must realize these people are liars, and they’re not actually worried about bias. They’re worried about un-bias.

    As ever, reality is racist. If cameras catch crime, they’ll catch black people doing it. And that’s bad.

  71. @Almost Missouri
    @Anon


    exactly like retarded Arab terrorists
     
    To be fair, after 9/11 the US doubled Muslim immigration. So the

    1. Riot!
    2. ?
    3. Profit!
     
    sequence really did work for them.

    Of course, that's not because they're not retarded, but because we are retarded.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    To be fair, after 9/11 the US doubled Muslim immigration. So the

    1. Riot!
    2. ?
    3. Profit!

    sequence really did work for them.

    Of course, that’s not because they’re not retarded, but because we are retarded.

    This was absolutely, the dumbest response to a terrorist attack–ever.

    I could forgive Bush, the “invade”–a traditional “you f’d with me” response–if he would have skipped the “invite” and instead said the obvious: “Hey this diversity thing is a bit tricky, let’s put a hold on that” and battened down the hatches.

    Imagine if we’d responded to Pearl Harbor by both bombing Japanese cities and inviting Japanese to come to America and join our military, intelligence and internal security services.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @AnotherDad

    When George W. Bush was president, I kept trying to figure out hat his problem was: was he stupid or was he crazy? One of those would fit some of his actions the the other fit others. In the end, though, I decided he was neither dumb nor crazy, just evil.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @GoRedWings!
    @AnotherDad


    “Hey this diversity thing is a bit tricky, let’s put a hold on that”
     
    Seriously, let's try that approach. People are controlled by the limbic system (i.e. gut instinct), not the rational part of the brain. Instead of complicated, wordy arguments about morality or fertility or crime rates in Juarez, emotional appeals that are distinctly non-manipulative may work much better. Closed questions force you to make a quick, definitive choice.

    "Is immigration good for your children?"
    "Is immigration good for the environment?"
    "Is immigration good for American workers?"
    "Do you think integration / assimilation happens?"
    "Do you want your country back?"
    "Do you feel safe?"
    "E Pluribus Unum?"

    etc.
  72. @Muggles
    @BB753


    It stands to reason that they don’t want you to know how many undercover cops, government and intelligence agents are involved in the riots. Think of them as “community organizers”.
     
    So how many are there? You seem confident that there are many.

    I have assumed that antifa (especially) and even BLM rioters would have amongst them quite a few undercovers from the feds, even state and local LEOs. But either they do and they aren't being used for anything legal like arrests, or they don't exist.

    For commie Portland, it seems like regular policing and riot control is barely operational. That comes from the top, not the rank and file.

    So the reality might be that the locusts are free to eat all of your grain. No one is going to try and prevent that. As I wrote in a prior comment about the Santa Monica looter caravans, what use is a police state if the police won't stop actual crime? Even in 'normal' police states of every political type they are normally pretty strict about street crime and things like assault, robbery, theft, etc.

    So Woketopia is going to be overrun with violent/insane criminals while the cops hand out speeding tickets and zoning violations to the victim public? In the Woketopia microcosms (Seattle, Portland, Minneapolis, etc.) that seems to be the reality.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @BB753

    Amarcho-tyranny and selective enforcement. James Fields will die in prison because he had the audacity to not want to be killed by a leftist mob. Or at least he’ll die in prison unless we free him.

  73. @Colin Wright
    The ban will be lifted if the civil disobedience becomes predominantly right-wing.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    The ban will be lifted if the civil disobedience becomes predominantly right-wing.

    One of the most obvious statements imaginable.

    But not making fun of it. It’s also a statement that precisely outlines the nature of contemporary politics in the West and the nature of our “left”.

  74. @Muggles
    @BB753


    It stands to reason that they don’t want you to know how many undercover cops, government and intelligence agents are involved in the riots. Think of them as “community organizers”.
     
    So how many are there? You seem confident that there are many.

    I have assumed that antifa (especially) and even BLM rioters would have amongst them quite a few undercovers from the feds, even state and local LEOs. But either they do and they aren't being used for anything legal like arrests, or they don't exist.

    For commie Portland, it seems like regular policing and riot control is barely operational. That comes from the top, not the rank and file.

    So the reality might be that the locusts are free to eat all of your grain. No one is going to try and prevent that. As I wrote in a prior comment about the Santa Monica looter caravans, what use is a police state if the police won't stop actual crime? Even in 'normal' police states of every political type they are normally pretty strict about street crime and things like assault, robbery, theft, etc.

    So Woketopia is going to be overrun with violent/insane criminals while the cops hand out speeding tickets and zoning violations to the victim public? In the Woketopia microcosms (Seattle, Portland, Minneapolis, etc.) that seems to be the reality.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @BB753

    “So Woketopia is going to be overrun with violent/insane criminals while the cops hand out speeding tickets and zoning violations to the victim public?”

    Your woketopia is a textbook definition of the modern police state, which only polices the law-abiding while letting loose or cooperating with the criminals.
    Sam Francis used to call such a state of affairs” anarcho-tyranny”.
    While there might be some uncercover cops and cointel agents monitoring the BLM and Antifa movements, I have little doubt that the FBI and CIA are working with them to create havoc, with corporate money funding and following orders from the Democrats and the Deep “Deep State”, just as some majors and governors are openly doing.

  75. @Alden
    @Kronos

    Here’s the greatest and longest pension story I’ve ever heard. Mary, my grandmother’s cousin.

    She was an Rn. She went to nursing school when the RN program was only 3 years. So at age 20 she went to work for the state of California public health department.

    When she was 46, her parents became old and sickly and needed a caretaker. Mary was the only child who’d worked long enough to get a pension. So the family agreed that Mary would quit her job, get her pension and take of her parents.

    In return, the parents would put Mary as joint tenant on their paid for, mortgage free house. That meant there’d be just title transfer tax, no inheritance tax when the parents died.

    Everyone agreed and Mary quit work and began receiving her pension.

    Mary lived to be 104 years old. Received her cost of living increase state pension for 58 years.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @Truth

    These public pension windfall (abuse of taxpayer) stories really make me PO. Despite what participants always claim about the modest size of the average, government pension, the system is intrinsically a big scheme.

    To this day, I hear adults talking among themselves, and even to their kids just starting out in the workforce, about how a government pension — availability of early retirement! — really magnifies the attractiveness of civil service employment.

    Again: Many Americans born this year, and those in years to come, will some twenty years further out be paying higher taxes in order to clear the pension checks of many recently retired, government workers.

    Outrageous!

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Abolish_public_education

    Not all, but many other governments have a national pension system. All the pension deduction payments go into one big pot managed by the government. The government manages, invests and sends out the pension checks. It’s better than our system in which your pension depends on who your employer is.

    Read Den of Thieves. It’s about 1980s Wall Street raiders who took over big private sector companies and then stole the pension fund. Think about it. A couple hundred of dollars a month for 30-40 years contribution. And then Ivan Boesky and other (( crooks)) just steal your pension and you’re left with a meager $1,500 a month social security. Boesky and friends raided the steel mills, factories all the big industrial companies pension funds. Outright theft.

  76. They could have nipped this racist outrage in the bud about 180 years ago by just banning photography.

  77. @Prof. Woland
    @BB753

    That is more true than you know. Foreign intelligence of all countries, ours included, are mapping each other's operatives and with 5G, it will only get more difficult to hide. The days of James Bond flitting around are over and done with. We are constantly being hacked by the Chinese and others and one of the things they are aiming for are general databases that can give 'tells' on all the little things that would reveal who someone really is and what they would be up to. The standard cover stories of the past don't mean shit now.

    I read one article, cannot vouch for the veracity, that claimed the reason the US closed the Chinese Consulate in Houston is that they are identifying the protesters and communicating with them via snap chat and they are probably using IIA. The Chinese are trying their own color revolution on us here.

    Replies: @BB753, @Feryl, @Nicholas Stix

    Every sign points to a home-made color revolution, but maybe the Chinese or the Israeli are joining in the fun. Who knows?

    • Replies: @anon
    @BB753

    Every sign points to a home-made color revolution, but maybe the Chinese or the Israeli are joining in the fun. Who knows?

    Nearly 20,000 fake ID's from outside the US that were seized by customs since January is surely just a coincidence.

    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/over-19k-fraudulent-ids-seized-cbp-officers-chicago

    Given a fake ID and some kind of credit / debit in the same name, one can rent cars and other things easily.

    Replies: @BB753

  78. @1BigJohnson
    >The big worry among Portland politicians is not that facial recognition technology will fail but that it will succeed in putting their supporters in jail for arson, vandalism, and mayhem.

    I think that's right, which makes this statement:

    >the technology has been widely criticized by privacy advocates for built-in racial biases

    somewhat surprising. Wouldn't racial bias (i.e., less adept at recognizing black faces) be a "good thing" here? At least from the perspective of Portland politicians??

    Replies: @Hibernian, @guest

    Wouldn’t racial bias (i.e., less adept at recognizing black faces) be a “good thing” here? At least from the perspective of Portland politicians??

    Opponents of facial recognition technology base their opposition on false positives. However, it is just a first line screening tool, and their real objection is to true positives.

    • Disagree: Abolish_public_education
  79. @SINCERITY.net
    Not allowed to use technology to identify criminals
    NOT allowed to gather information about criminals


    This is just another of the many rules that favors criminals and reduce safety for law abiding citizens, including, or especially safety for Blacks


    Not allowed to tell the race of criminals

    Not allowed to show photos and details about underage criminals, or allegedly underage adult criminals

    Not allowed to show cruelty perpetrated by criminals

    Human Rights are for Criminals

    https://sincerity.net/sensational-violence/

    Restriction of #TRUESPEECH.

    “The Press will refrain from inappropriately sensational portrayal of violence, brutality and suffering” [German PresseKodex #11];

    “preservation of human dignity” [German PresseKodex #1];

    “the Press must exercise especial restraint reporting crimes committed by young persons” [German PresseKodex #13.3];

    The seemingly innocuous media code rules #1 to 3 appear neutral, on the surface. These regulations mandate to withhold true information and thus the press code restricts true speech.

    True speech is not permissible, restricted by a variety of media code regulations. Even we were unaware of this multitude of true speech restrictions, until we read the sanctions and reprimands of the German and Austrian Media Council.

     

    Replies: @Fun

    Law enforcement agencies all over the world have been gradually adopting facial recognition tech without much public awareness or protest. They claim this is to “fight crime”, an excuse that gives them unlimited license to deploy the technology. Big tech is compiling massive, universal databases for tracking people in real time. Governments are building up surveillance infrastructure, and using all that data for whatever purposes they desire. There’s no strong legal regime preventing or even slowing this down.

    It’s a bigger problem than the MSM self-censoring on race. If Portland does the right thing for the wrong reason, fine with that.

  80. @Tono Bungay
    @megabar

    I disagree, although your logic is good. I think we all need public spaces in which we can be relatively sure that we're not being watched by hypercompetent machines. When we've lost them we'll miss them.

    Replies: @megabar, @J1234

    > I think we all need public spaces in which we can be relatively sure that we’re not being watched by hypercompetent machines.

    I get it. For example, I oppose cameras that hand out traffic violations, even though a cop can do the same.

    The reasons for the difference are nuanced, having to do with the severity of crimes being prevented, the abuse in the name of revenue-raising, and, if I’m being honest, how annoying it is to me personally.

    I still disagree with you, but I’m not committed to my position.

  81. @Mike Tre
    I always thought a flame thrower would be the best tool against rioters, but I guess I'm approaching this from a more pragmatic angle.

    Replies: @tyrone, @Alden, @Travis, @Anon, @Muggles, @The King is a Fink

    As always, South Africa leads the way:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLhWzMOccTg

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    @The King is a Fink

    I want the one in Robocop.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U4ZYOBzEEs

  82. @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous


    Jews are great math/science people and overrated otherwise. Look at the entire history of modern Israel. None of those leaders would make it big in America. None.
     
    This is a bit simplistic.

    The Jewish IQ profile--relative to whites--is more or less opposite the East Asians. Strong verbally, good at math, weak at visio-spatial.

    Jewish work outside of math and science is indeed mostly miserable. But it's not because Jews are untalented, it's because that work mostly consists of whining and lying for minoritarianism--scratching and clawing at the gentiles' traditions, norms, religion, culture, nation, race and civilization.

    The problem is "reality is conservative". People have their norms, traditions ... because they work! (They are culturally evolved.) And, of course, white gentiles developed the most productive and successful civilization on the planet.

    And the Jews goal--make life good for a hostile middle man minority outgroup--is pretty much the worse possible organizing principle for any nation to adopt. (Short of flinging open the borders and inviting in the barbarians in to loot your stuff and have a go at your women.)

    Bottom line: Not a lack of talent, but an evil, destructive agenda.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Jewish work outside of math and science is indeed mostly miserable. But it’s not because Jews are untalented, it’s because that work mostly consists of whining and lying for minoritarianism–scratching and clawing at the gentiles’ traditions, norms, religion, culture, nation, race and civilization.

    I wouldn’t agree. For instance, Jews or people of visibly Jewish heritage made a very significant contribution to many areas of culture, both high-brow & low-brow. If we count also the converts to Christianity, they were essential to the 20th German-language literature (Joseph Roth, Kafka, Kraus, Broch, Canetti, Werfel, Doeblin, …) & to a lesser degree Russian (Il’f & Petrov, Babel’, Marshak, Mandel’shtam, Grossman, .. we could also add problematic Pasternak & Aksyonov). Even in Italy, where they are not numerous, Italo Svevo (Ettore Schmitz) wrote what I consider to be the best 20th C Italian novel.

    Kafka and Broch are among 10-15 greatest 20th C Western authors.

    In the US, Jews were strongly represented in post-WW2 era (Kazin, Fiedler, Mailer, Roth, Malamud, Bellow, Doctorow,..), but I don’t think much of it will survive. Less known Nathanael West was, probably, an author of greater significance.

    Then, music (Mahler, Schoenberg, Bloch, Milhaud, Gershwin, … plus 2 American gays); add numerous conductors & a whole bunch of violin virtuosi without whom musical scene is unimaginable- what can be more?

    Even in visual arts they got Pissaro, Modigliani, Soutine & Chagall, which is not something negligible.

    Add comics & other areas of popular culture- I rest my case.

  83. @Neoconned
    @Kronos

    Hes 80 now....i guess he was in on the Good Old Boy system pipeline officers use to get MIC jobs after they leave the service.

    Replies: @Kronos

    Well, so much for high hopes…

  84. @Tono Bungay
    @megabar

    I disagree, although your logic is good. I think we all need public spaces in which we can be relatively sure that we're not being watched by hypercompetent machines. When we've lost them we'll miss them.

    Replies: @megabar, @J1234

    I agree. Using facial recognition technology to combat crime during a time of social unrest reeks of passing the Patriot Act to combat terrorism after 9/11. Unforeseen consequences factor is likely pretty high.

  85. @AnotherDad
    @Almost Missouri


    To be fair, after 9/11 the US doubled Muslim immigration. So the

    1. Riot!
    2. ?
    3. Profit!
     
    sequence really did work for them.

    Of course, that’s not because they’re not retarded, but because we are retarded.
     

    This was absolutely, the dumbest response to a terrorist attack--ever.

    I could forgive Bush, the "invade"--a traditional "you f'd with me" response--if he would have skipped the "invite" and instead said the obvious: "Hey this diversity thing is a bit tricky, let's put a hold on that" and battened down the hatches.

    Imagine if we'd responded to Pearl Harbor by both bombing Japanese cities and inviting Japanese to come to America and join our military, intelligence and internal security services.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @GoRedWings!

    When George W. Bush was president, I kept trying to figure out hat his problem was: was he stupid or was he crazy? One of those would fit some of his actions the the other fit others. In the end, though, I decided he was neither dumb nor crazy, just evil.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Harry Baldwin

    Fair point. The question is, would a Gore administration or a Kerry administration have been any better? Or would they simply have been same old Invade-Invite with Poz characteristics?

  86. All those idiot thugs attacked a blue city. So, we should congratulate them.

    And if Democrat leaders want to protect Democrat thugs who destroy Democrat cities, why should we care?

  87. Mayor Ted Wheeler of Portland just issued an order to the police department to not use tear gas. Meanwhile, Oregon highway patrol and forestry service claims the forest fires are arson, not natural and set intentionally. Many set about a quarter mile from the freeways, sure sign of arson.

    Shouldn’t the local chambers of commerce and business organizations from NYC to Minneapolis to Portland and Seattle be lobbying for local governments and NG to crack down on the insurrection? Or are they too busy lobbying for more illegal immigrants to work in closed down restaurants?

    And what’s with the big real estate owners? Are they happy to see the value of their property fall by thousands a month? Happy to see their commercial tenants breaking the leases? It’s all very well to say sue tenants for the remainder of the rent but can’t recover damages if the company has no more money.

    Seems to this skeptic that the entire business community has either surrendered to the liberals or has joined the conspiracy to destroy the cities.

  88. @Dumbo

    the technology has been widely criticized by privacy advocates for built-in racial biases
     
    I think this is more the issue. Just as that Microsoft chatbot turned out to be racist and nazi, they are afraid that the facial recognition thing will excel at detecting black criminals and shoplifters, mainly.

    And secondarily gypsy pickpockets, "people with golden chains" scammers, and such and such.

    Replies: @unit472, @Alden, @gent, @guest

    If there are any built-in racial biases, they run against lighter-skinned people. Because computers have an easier time recognizing that kind of person.

    In reality, the so-called “bias” derives from the fact that technology allows favored races to get caught doing things government and businesses don’t like.

  89. @1BigJohnson
    >The big worry among Portland politicians is not that facial recognition technology will fail but that it will succeed in putting their supporters in jail for arson, vandalism, and mayhem.

    I think that's right, which makes this statement:

    >the technology has been widely criticized by privacy advocates for built-in racial biases

    somewhat surprising. Wouldn't racial bias (i.e., less adept at recognizing black faces) be a "good thing" here? At least from the perspective of Portland politicians??

    Replies: @Hibernian, @guest

    It *would* be. But you must realize these people are liars, and they’re not actually worried about bias. They’re worried about un-bias.

    As ever, reality is racist. If cameras catch crime, they’ll catch black people doing it. And that’s bad.

  90. @anon
    @Kronos

    it's otay by me coz I'se tired of bein' mistaken fo' Buckwheat

    http://teachvaluesnow.org/ebay/8x10_Buckwheat%20little%20rascals%202.jpg

    Replies: @Truth

    it’s otay by me coz I’se tired of bein’ mistaken fo’ Buckwheat

    Then you should practice your English more.

  91. @Prof. Woland
    @BB753

    That is more true than you know. Foreign intelligence of all countries, ours included, are mapping each other's operatives and with 5G, it will only get more difficult to hide. The days of James Bond flitting around are over and done with. We are constantly being hacked by the Chinese and others and one of the things they are aiming for are general databases that can give 'tells' on all the little things that would reveal who someone really is and what they would be up to. The standard cover stories of the past don't mean shit now.

    I read one article, cannot vouch for the veracity, that claimed the reason the US closed the Chinese Consulate in Houston is that they are identifying the protesters and communicating with them via snap chat and they are probably using IIA. The Chinese are trying their own color revolution on us here.

    Replies: @BB753, @Feryl, @Nicholas Stix

    I think it’s been the case that since the mid-20th century, developed countries have had the means to identify/apprehend the vast majority of spies, terrorists, criminal masterminds, etc. But there isn’t always the will, or the competence*, among leadership to nullify all the bad guys. Plus, we often “turn” dubious characters to be on “our” side. Why arrest a monster when he can used by us for a change? Then there’s the fact that many of the “white hat” power players and their minions are often themselves sociopathic.

    *If you read about true crime, back in the 70’s and 80’s there were thousands of serial rapists and hundreds of serial killers, yet investigations often went nowhere because local law enforcement agencies often didn’t share information, evidence, or ideas with each other. Possible connections between crimes in different cities were often dissmissed based on vague hunches. Thanks to DNA, we now know a relatively small group of people commit most violent sex crimes.

  92. @Alden
    @Kronos

    Here’s the greatest and longest pension story I’ve ever heard. Mary, my grandmother’s cousin.

    She was an Rn. She went to nursing school when the RN program was only 3 years. So at age 20 she went to work for the state of California public health department.

    When she was 46, her parents became old and sickly and needed a caretaker. Mary was the only child who’d worked long enough to get a pension. So the family agreed that Mary would quit her job, get her pension and take of her parents.

    In return, the parents would put Mary as joint tenant on their paid for, mortgage free house. That meant there’d be just title transfer tax, no inheritance tax when the parents died.

    Everyone agreed and Mary quit work and began receiving her pension.

    Mary lived to be 104 years old. Received her cost of living increase state pension for 58 years.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @Truth

    Yeah…

    Honkees greedy.

  93. @Abolish_public_education
    @Alden

    These public pension windfall (abuse of taxpayer) stories really make me PO. Despite what participants always claim about the modest size of the average, government pension, the system is intrinsically a big scheme.

    To this day, I hear adults talking among themselves, and even to their kids just starting out in the workforce, about how a government pension — availability of early retirement! — really magnifies the attractiveness of civil service employment.

    Again: Many Americans born this year, and those in years to come, will some twenty years further out be paying higher taxes in order to clear the pension checks of many recently retired, government workers.

    Outrageous!

    Replies: @Alden

    Not all, but many other governments have a national pension system. All the pension deduction payments go into one big pot managed by the government. The government manages, invests and sends out the pension checks. It’s better than our system in which your pension depends on who your employer is.

    Read Den of Thieves. It’s about 1980s Wall Street raiders who took over big private sector companies and then stole the pension fund. Think about it. A couple hundred of dollars a month for 30-40 years contribution. And then Ivan Boesky and other (( crooks)) just steal your pension and you’re left with a meager $1,500 a month social security. Boesky and friends raided the steel mills, factories all the big industrial companies pension funds. Outright theft.

  94. @Alden
    @Dumbo

    Liberals also object to the practice in many states of taking DNA samples of everyone arrested and putting the samples in the data bases of unsolved crimes.

    It’s racist!!!! Those DNA samples cleared so many old cases committed by blacks. There was talk of ACLU ADL AJC NAACP lawsuits filed with the intention of getting findings and rulings by liberal judges that using DNA to solve crimes and file criminal charges has the dreaded disparate impact. Well it does.

    Like requiring a steel mill foreman to be able to read the operations manual. Kaiser vs Weber, 1979. The Supreme representatives of Satan on earth ruled it is discriminatory to require a steel mill foreman be able to read. Or learn the basic middle school facts about how iron,

    Replies: @David In TN

    The LA Times and the MSM fought taking DNA samples and DNA databases in general. Among many cases cleared were John Floyd Thomas AKA Westside Rapist and Lonnie Franklin AKA The Grim Sleeper.

    Thomas, ironically, was caught in a DNA sweep in 2009 intended for the Grim Sleeper. Thomas had raped and murdered elderly white women in Los Angeles County for decades.

    Franklin was arrested a year after Thomas due to familial DNA, also opposed by the Usual Suspects.

    Thomas pleaded guilty to LWOP. Franklin took six years to go to trial, in a surprise, got the death penalty.

    Franklin died while on San Quentin’s “Death Row.” Thomas still lives incarcerated.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @David In TN


    Thomas had raped and murdered elderly white women in Los Angeles County for decades.
     
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n7qd7UrR5ic&t=12s
  95. @Paul Jolliffe
    @Ricardo Cruz

    The simple reason the left is terrified of facial recognition software is not because it’s inaccurate, but because it’s so accurate!
    That’s why the Detroit City Council wants the DPD to stop using it!

    Detroit - where the city’s Civilian Board of Police Commissioners are arrested for disorderly conduct DURING MEETINGS!

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1045046

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The simple reason the left is terrified of facial recognition software is not because it’s inaccurate, but because it’s so accurate!

    Same with eVerify.

  96. @David In TN
    @Alden

    The LA Times and the MSM fought taking DNA samples and DNA databases in general. Among many cases cleared were John Floyd Thomas AKA Westside Rapist and Lonnie Franklin AKA The Grim Sleeper.

    Thomas, ironically, was caught in a DNA sweep in 2009 intended for the Grim Sleeper. Thomas had raped and murdered elderly white women in Los Angeles County for decades.

    Franklin was arrested a year after Thomas due to familial DNA, also opposed by the Usual Suspects.

    Thomas pleaded guilty to LWOP. Franklin took six years to go to trial, in a surprise, got the death penalty.

    Franklin died while on San Quentin's "Death Row." Thomas still lives incarcerated.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Thomas had raped and murdered elderly white women in Los Angeles County for decades.

  97. @Anon
    Kristina Narayan was arrested for interfering with police during the Forever Riot in Portland. She's the legislative director for Oregon Democrat Speaker of the House Tina Kotek. That law is just a desperate attempt by the Democrats to protect their own people from arrest, and to hide the fact that Democratic politicians in Oregon are coordinating the riots behind the scenes. The Democrats must be deranged if they think they're going to get votes by promoting chaos. They think exactly like retarded Arab terrorists.

    1. Riot!
    2. ?
    3. Profit!

    They're stupid as hell.

    https://freebeacon.com/democrats/portland-police-arrest-dem-staffer-during-riot/

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Almost Missouri, @anonymous, @duncsbaby, @Libre

    They seem to have a pretty good lock-down on Oregon politics. The only person running against Mayor Wheeler is a gal way to his left. She sports skirts w/Chairman Mao and Che patterns. The governor and state govt of Oregon are solidly left-wing Democrat. I keep hoping for common sense to descend upon the good voters of Oregon but if there is a cloud of common sense over Oregon it ain’t producing much rain.

    • Replies: @anon
    @duncsbaby

    They seem to have a pretty good lock-down on Oregon politics

    Control Portland and you pretty much control Oregon. Just count the population.

    Oregon is similar to other states in the US West, it consists of a number of small towns, one or two small cities, and one big city. Multonomah county (Portland plus suburbs) dominates Oregon politically. The whole east side of the state is mostly ignored, and would probably join Idaho if that were possible. The south side of the state would probably join with northern California counties to form the state of Jefferson if that were possible.

    The D's have a fantasy of Washington, Oregon and California seceding to form a new progtard country, call it "Cascadia". They don't realize that many of the rural counties of "Cascadia" would promptly secede from it.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse

  98. @AnotherDad
    @Almost Missouri


    To be fair, after 9/11 the US doubled Muslim immigration. So the

    1. Riot!
    2. ?
    3. Profit!
     
    sequence really did work for them.

    Of course, that’s not because they’re not retarded, but because we are retarded.
     

    This was absolutely, the dumbest response to a terrorist attack--ever.

    I could forgive Bush, the "invade"--a traditional "you f'd with me" response--if he would have skipped the "invite" and instead said the obvious: "Hey this diversity thing is a bit tricky, let's put a hold on that" and battened down the hatches.

    Imagine if we'd responded to Pearl Harbor by both bombing Japanese cities and inviting Japanese to come to America and join our military, intelligence and internal security services.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @GoRedWings!

    “Hey this diversity thing is a bit tricky, let’s put a hold on that”

    Seriously, let’s try that approach. People are controlled by the limbic system (i.e. gut instinct), not the rational part of the brain. Instead of complicated, wordy arguments about morality or fertility or crime rates in Juarez, emotional appeals that are distinctly non-manipulative may work much better. Closed questions force you to make a quick, definitive choice.

    “Is immigration good for your children?”
    “Is immigration good for the environment?”
    “Is immigration good for American workers?”
    “Do you think integration / assimilation happens?”
    “Do you want your country back?”
    “Do you feel safe?”
    “E Pluribus Unum?”

    etc.

  99. anon[365] • Disclaimer says:
    @BB753
    @Prof. Woland

    Every sign points to a home-made color revolution, but maybe the Chinese or the Israeli are joining in the fun. Who knows?

    Replies: @anon

    Every sign points to a home-made color revolution, but maybe the Chinese or the Israeli are joining in the fun. Who knows?

    Nearly 20,000 fake ID’s from outside the US that were seized by customs since January is surely just a coincidence.

    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/over-19k-fraudulent-ids-seized-cbp-officers-chicago

    Given a fake ID and some kind of credit / debit in the same name, one can rent cars and other things easily.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @anon

    "The majority of these shipments were arriving from China and Hong Kong, with other seized shipments arriving from Great Britain and South Korea."

    Well, it makes sense to have those fake id's made aboad and sent from anywhere else than Langley, Virginia. Plausible denial, they call it. Or a way of blaming China.
    Wonder why they didn't think of Russia to pull this off.

  100. anon[365] • Disclaimer says:
    @duncsbaby
    @Anon

    They seem to have a pretty good lock-down on Oregon politics. The only person running against Mayor Wheeler is a gal way to his left. She sports skirts w/Chairman Mao and Che patterns. The governor and state govt of Oregon are solidly left-wing Democrat. I keep hoping for common sense to descend upon the good voters of Oregon but if there is a cloud of common sense over Oregon it ain't producing much rain.

    Replies: @anon

    They seem to have a pretty good lock-down on Oregon politics

    Control Portland and you pretty much control Oregon. Just count the population.

    Oregon is similar to other states in the US West, it consists of a number of small towns, one or two small cities, and one big city. Multonomah county (Portland plus suburbs) dominates Oregon politically. The whole east side of the state is mostly ignored, and would probably join Idaho if that were possible. The south side of the state would probably join with northern California counties to form the state of Jefferson if that were possible.

    The D’s have a fantasy of Washington, Oregon and California seceding to form a new progtard country, call it “Cascadia”. They don’t realize that many of the rural counties of “Cascadia” would promptly secede from it.

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    @anon

    Nevada has two counties that determine State level races. The only D counties in Nevada, Washoe (Reno-Sparks) and Clark (Las Vegas).

  101. @Harry Baldwin
    @AnotherDad

    When George W. Bush was president, I kept trying to figure out hat his problem was: was he stupid or was he crazy? One of those would fit some of his actions the the other fit others. In the end, though, I decided he was neither dumb nor crazy, just evil.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Fair point. The question is, would a Gore administration or a Kerry administration have been any better? Or would they simply have been same old Invade-Invite with Poz characteristics?

  102. @anon
    @BB753

    Every sign points to a home-made color revolution, but maybe the Chinese or the Israeli are joining in the fun. Who knows?

    Nearly 20,000 fake ID's from outside the US that were seized by customs since January is surely just a coincidence.

    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/over-19k-fraudulent-ids-seized-cbp-officers-chicago

    Given a fake ID and some kind of credit / debit in the same name, one can rent cars and other things easily.

    Replies: @BB753

    “The majority of these shipments were arriving from China and Hong Kong, with other seized shipments arriving from Great Britain and South Korea.”

    Well, it makes sense to have those fake id’s made aboad and sent from anywhere else than Langley, Virginia. Plausible denial, they call it. Or a way of blaming China.
    Wonder why they didn’t think of Russia to pull this off.

  103. @Anon
    Landlords aren't public facing businesses, are they? Someone should underwrite the complete Orwellification of Portland's leased buildings. Installation and repair, internet connectivity, facial recognition (albeit without DMV image data).

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse

    Landlords can now get Alexa units at a discount.

    All data is uploaded to the Amazon cloud and the CIA.

  104. @anon
    @duncsbaby

    They seem to have a pretty good lock-down on Oregon politics

    Control Portland and you pretty much control Oregon. Just count the population.

    Oregon is similar to other states in the US West, it consists of a number of small towns, one or two small cities, and one big city. Multonomah county (Portland plus suburbs) dominates Oregon politically. The whole east side of the state is mostly ignored, and would probably join Idaho if that were possible. The south side of the state would probably join with northern California counties to form the state of Jefferson if that were possible.

    The D's have a fantasy of Washington, Oregon and California seceding to form a new progtard country, call it "Cascadia". They don't realize that many of the rural counties of "Cascadia" would promptly secede from it.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse

    Nevada has two counties that determine State level races. The only D counties in Nevada, Washoe (Reno-Sparks) and Clark (Las Vegas).

  105. @Prof. Woland
    @BB753

    That is more true than you know. Foreign intelligence of all countries, ours included, are mapping each other's operatives and with 5G, it will only get more difficult to hide. The days of James Bond flitting around are over and done with. We are constantly being hacked by the Chinese and others and one of the things they are aiming for are general databases that can give 'tells' on all the little things that would reveal who someone really is and what they would be up to. The standard cover stories of the past don't mean shit now.

    I read one article, cannot vouch for the veracity, that claimed the reason the US closed the Chinese Consulate in Houston is that they are identifying the protesters and communicating with them via snap chat and they are probably using IIA. The Chinese are trying their own color revolution on us here.

    Replies: @BB753, @Feryl, @Nicholas Stix

    “The days of James Bond flitting around are over and done with.”

    Since those days never existed, your implied contrast collapses.

  106. Steve can it, this will 100 percent be used against us. It should be banned Nationwide. I don’t get why the alt right sucks off the government and cops so much. They literally are not our friends.

  107. @Anon
    Kristina Narayan was arrested for interfering with police during the Forever Riot in Portland. She's the legislative director for Oregon Democrat Speaker of the House Tina Kotek. That law is just a desperate attempt by the Democrats to protect their own people from arrest, and to hide the fact that Democratic politicians in Oregon are coordinating the riots behind the scenes. The Democrats must be deranged if they think they're going to get votes by promoting chaos. They think exactly like retarded Arab terrorists.

    1. Riot!
    2. ?
    3. Profit!

    They're stupid as hell.

    https://freebeacon.com/democrats/portland-police-arrest-dem-staffer-during-riot/

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Almost Missouri, @anonymous, @duncsbaby, @Libre

    We can rest assured this will never ever be used against proud boys. 🤔

  108. @The King is a Fink
    @Mike Tre

    As always, South Africa leads the way:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLhWzMOccTg
     

    Replies: @Prof. Woland

    I want the one in Robocop.

  109. @Abolish_public_education
    Government workers need to be mic’d, on-camera, and live-streamed for the entirety of their “duty” shifts; I am absolutely loving how schoolteachers are balking at that.

    For elected officials, 24x7.

    Replies: @BB753

    Do you really want to see Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden naked?

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