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From The Onion:
Melania Trump Hangs Decayed Badger Carcass Over White House Mantel To Finish Off Traditional Slovenian Christmas Decor https://t.co/YHAAQHOGS7 pic.twitter.com/6W5ZvPe1sB
— The Onion (@TheOnion) November 23, 2020
I see that good old Polish Jokes are acceptable again. Jokes about the stupidity and tastelessness of Slavs are totally not ethnic slurs, and, besides, Slavs deserve them, those filthy morons.
Apparently you can slip through the Trump Wall easily:
Let’s not look into where those or the dumb blonde jokes came from. It can’t have anything to do with why the media establishment feels so comfortable making them as well as burning atavistic hatred of Russia acceptable again.
Also Slovenes are central Europeans and not much like other Slavs. But America’s cosmopolitan elites keep showing how much they know about the rest of the world.
Some actual true stereotypes
Blacks are notoriously lazy
Blacks and criminality
Jews and swindling people
Jews as tightwads
Hispanics being baby making machines
Blacks pushing out babies nonstop * The LIE about so many Blacks receiving abortions is laughable.
Some untrue stereotypes
Southern hospitality * all fake, Southerners are no more hospitable than anyone else, they just put on a good act and wait until you leave to talk bad about you.
Mexicans are lazy* who the hell started this shit? MOST Mexicans are the hardest working folk that I have ever seen.
Italians can all cook * Not my sister-in-law
Irish are drunkards * have met some Irish that never touch a beer much less anything stronger
New Yorkers are mean, obnoxious and uncaring. * Some of the most standup people and decent folk that I ever met were New Yorkers while I lived there back in the day.
Jews have high IQs. * says who, other Jews? hahaha. Does anyone out there really know anyone who has had a legitimate IQ test? And IF you even have a high IQ, what exactly does that prove or what is it really worth IF you can't even change a flat tire.
And they happen to coincide with Poland and Hungary defying the EU. But wait, this spring we will have Mr Show style evil rednecks who deserve to die jokes, complete with ritual legal proceedings and the actual killing of actual evil rednecks.
Is there any political order that can resolve such a situation?Replies: @kaganovitch
Hey! I resemble that remark! (Well, 1/8 of me anyway…sorry great-grandpa!)
Were Polack jokes always a Jewish thing?
Also, goyishe kop jokes are a perennial in Jewish humor, Sasha Cohen's various characters being the latest example of this.
Most American Jews are descended from Jews who grew up under Tsarist or Habsburg rule and tended to be a lot more concerned with Cossacks and Ukrainian peasants than Poles. You find more historical anger towards Poland in Israel. I would be surprised if Polish jokes were a big staple of Borsch Belt humor, but, hey, I've been wrong before.Replies: @Anonymous, @Bill, @J.Ross
I don’t know that this is a traditional Polish joke making fun of uncouth Slavs.
Melania’s Christmas decor for the White House has been making the news for the past few years for being a bit unusual and not the traditional Christmas vibe and decor. It’s sleeker but not a traditional Christmas style and has an occult vibe.
Animal carcasses are associated with occult rituals and decor, and I think that’s the reference here.
https://www.avclub.com/melania-trump-decks-the-halls-with-dead-branches-spine-1820780127Replies: @bigduke6, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Muggles
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krampus
Also, pagan vibe. Paganism is not necessarily satanic, oh Christian. But it usually involves nudity. I enjoy nudity though most people don't enjoy my nudity.
That describes everything in design right now. Melania is just mindlessly trend following.
Melania's Christmas decor for the White House has been making the news for the past few years for being a bit unusual and not the traditional Christmas vibe and decor. It's sleeker but not a traditional Christmas style and has an occult vibe.
Animal carcasses are associated with occult rituals and decor, and I think that's the reference here.Replies: @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous, @Clifford Brown, @SunBakedSuburb, @ATBOTL
“Melania Trump decks the halls with dead branches, spine-chilling wails of the damned”
https://www.avclub.com/melania-trump-decks-the-halls-with-dead-branches-spine-1820780127
Particularly in the bathroom, where Joe will be spending most of his productive time.
Maybe we'll finally learn what is really going on.
Since they are now forced to resort to lame, unfunny jibes at the First Lady, you can imagine what we are now in for.
Those replacement jokes about Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham will be flatter than Biden's brain waves. Good humor is never "kind." I may have to start watching Colbert just to see him suffer through a humorless monologue every night. Fun!
If we could just turn America into a medieval shetl……. well, without the walls, and everybody from the same tribe.
Yes. It just replaces “goyim” with “polack”…
So it will be OK to make jokes about Kamala defecating on the White House lawn? All in good fun, mind you.
The kid was supposed to be eating his dinner, and this distraction wasn't helping. "Turn it off. How can you watch people pooing if you don't eat your meat!" Yes, I have listened to some Pink Floyd in my day - why do you ask?
The cossacks are coming, the cossacks are coming!!
Michelle: the graceful, demure, pretty fashion icon!
Ah, reminds me of home…
Why do the Polish have so much trouble with sex?
They wait for the swelling to go down.
I have a feeling that the world would be a more peaceful place if Jewish women were better looking and feminine, and Jewish men were more masculine and handsome.
https://twitter.com/blompf2020/status/1330901401011179521Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Tony
No fat Mexicans allowed, that’s still better than nothing.
I’d say it’s part of the general anti-White animus. But then some E Michael Jones fanboy will tell me White ain’t no country he ever heard of.
There’s something pathetic about a people (Whites) who won’t accept when they are hated.
Melania's Christmas decor for the White House has been making the news for the past few years for being a bit unusual and not the traditional Christmas vibe and decor. It's sleeker but not a traditional Christmas style and has an occult vibe.
Animal carcasses are associated with occult rituals and decor, and I think that's the reference here.Replies: @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous, @Clifford Brown, @SunBakedSuburb, @ATBOTL
Personally, I’d love an excuse to put a stuffed badger on top of the tree. I hope this catches on! I’m sure it’s better than whatever BLM Kwanzaa decor Joe and Kamala are going to be putting up when it’s their turn.
https://statesymbolsusa.org/sites/statesymbolsusa.org/files/styles/symbol_thumbnail__medium/public/symbol-place-images/WisconsinHistoricSealFlag.jpg?itok=4uZgKi8s
https://www.avclub.com/melania-trump-decks-the-halls-with-dead-branches-spine-1820780127Replies: @bigduke6, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Muggles
LMAO, those decorations are beautiful and that’s an article by a fat tranny with Trump Derangement Syndrome. That you agree even a little says a lot more about you than about Melania or her decorating.
Every person I’ve met from Slovenia has been first rate (I spent some time living in a lodging house in Europe in my 20s, so I got to meet a lot of different people)
A lovely, small delightful country of great natural beauty
Hmm, people who don’t agree on the rules and can’t stand in each other.
Is there any political order that can resolve such a situation?
Depends what you mean by "resolve". Joe Stalin had one way of resolving such a situation. Westphalia another.
Total Covid deaths per million: USA 795; Russia 250.
Perhaps filthy, sickly, and uncouth Americans can learn a thing or two
from the Russians
a thing or two from the Russians.” Americans are beginning to act like
a defeated people, similarly to the American Indians. Declining life expectancy,
opioid addiction, increasing suicide rates, increasing homelessness, and now
skyrocketing death rates from COVID-19 are only the latest examplesReplies: @utu
from the Russians.
Don't bother to test people who are dying anyway to see if they're positive for the Corona Virus?
But on the Xi virus, my guess the difference is accounted for by a few items:
-- the US is more scrupulous in testing and classifying every Xi-positive body (and even a few just "suspected") as a Covid death
-- longer US life expectancy so a larger elderly population base to whack
-- more obese and especially morbidly obese people
-- blacks
I grew up in a part of California not in the movies. My father used to turn all the Polish jokes into Mexican jokes and friends of Mexican descent return the favor by turning all the Mexican jokes into Polish jokes. Both sides appreciated the humor.
In college and beyond I started meeting people with Polish descent and they were all smart. Polish youth seem to run the economy in Britain. The jokes and the reality were miles apart.
Now that I've thought about it, I'll say ditto to all the above with Italian jokes. Who started those?Replies: @Known Fact
These crazy white people (White!)
We have the most parochial “cosmopolitan” elite in the history the world.
These “educated” people really believe everyone in the world is pretty much the same–just different cuisines (restaurants!)–and more or less interchangeable … except for those stupid deplorables.
https://statesymbolsusa.org/sites/statesymbolsusa.org/files/styles/symbol_thumbnail__medium/public/symbol-place-images/Forward-motto-Wisconsin.jpg?itok=U_eOA49h
Given the choice America just made, maybe she’ll wise up and go back.
Is it ok now to use “slovenly”?
https://breghouse.com/2016/08/26/a-date-with-the-dormouse-hunter-slovenias-pohl-position/
One of the intriguing things I had read about Slovenia, was that they still practice the ‘sport’ of Dormouse hunting. Although almost all of my Slovenian friends starred at me blankly when I mentioned this, the hunting and eating of dormice (‘polh’ in Slovene) does indeed go on, mainly in the south of the country, and I wanted to learn more about it.
Stuffed dormice – An Ancient Roman recipe
Only you, utu. Then you disbelieve masonic conspiracies. Freemasons & dormice should go hand in hand.
I think the Habsburgs did a good job with it.
Natalia Rak
Donkeeboy
Slovenia is a NATO member. If Trump ever criticized them for not burden sharing, the same xenophobes who laughed hysterically at this Onion crap would hyperventilate that he’s disrespecting our close ally, Slovenia.
Germans also do them.
Maybe Melania would get some respect if she claimed to be Hapa……
When I was still reading imaginative literature, I've read two leading Slovene authors, Lojze Kovačič and Vitomil Zupan (as well as some others). Also, I've read two most acclaimed Israeli authors, Amos Oz and David Grossman.
Slovenes were, on balance, better. They dealt with the essential things in life. Israelis had an advantage of being somehow "exotic", writing on topics in many ways alien to European cultural area.Replies: @syonredux
Isn’t Borat just one big Polish joke?
Everybody from the same tribe? Never happen. We need the lesser tribes (“goyim”) to do all the grunt work. You always need people for that.
IOW,if they weren’t so Jewish? Nazi.
Melania's Christmas decor for the White House has been making the news for the past few years for being a bit unusual and not the traditional Christmas vibe and decor. It's sleeker but not a traditional Christmas style and has an occult vibe.
Animal carcasses are associated with occult rituals and decor, and I think that's the reference here.Replies: @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous, @Clifford Brown, @SunBakedSuburb, @ATBOTL
Maybe Krampus is involved?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krampus
And as anyone from there who speaks English will tell you, it has love in it
Only if I can say “niggardly”.
The blocks of cement along the mantlepiece are a funny touch.
Were there shetls in Bombay? Bit rich for you to pretend not to understand the rules.
And that’s why they are evil and must be destroyed!
Or, failing that, every last one of them lived in Israel and never left under any circumstances for any reason.
I went to a Diocesean HS in the heart of Buffalo’s Polonia. I never saw so many 14 letter last names with only one or two vowels…but a story from those days. We were required to wear a sport coat, shirt and tie at all times in school and on the school grounds. No air conditioning but on a hot day you could ask the teacher, almost always a priest, if we could remove our jackets. One day a particularily heavy classmate with a ‘tick Polish hacksent’ refused to remove his jacket. The priest ordered him to take his jacket off. His dress white shirt was just a shirtfront tied in the back like an apron. The cuffs were just cuffs, no sleeves. Howls of laughter and a contrite priest telling him he could put his jacket back on.
I remember reading in Reader’s Digest way back in the 90s that during one hot summer in DC soldiers guarding the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier did something similar. They took scissors to their Class A dress uniform shirts, leaving only dickeys to wear under their tunic around the neck and cuffs pinned to the end of their tunic sleeves. Helped take the edge of a hotter than average summer.Replies: @Buffalo Joe
Stosh was an iron worker who tight roped the New York skyscraper frames for 20 years. One day on his lunch break, he said aloud to no one in particular, “Eef I ghet cheeken sandweech von more time for lunch, I’m goink to jump ahff thee top of theese buildink!”
Sure enough, the very next day, after taking a chicken sandwich out of his lunch pale, he proceeded to throw himself off the top of the skyscraper, falling to his death.
At the wake, a friend of Stosh’s widow asked her “If he hated chicken sandwiches so much, why didn’t he just ask you to make him a different kind of sandwich?”
To which the widow replied “Hhe always made heess own lunch!”
One of the intriguing things I had read about Slovenia, was that they still practice the ‘sport’ of Dormouse hunting. Although almost all of my Slovenian friends starred at me blankly when I mentioned this, the hunting and eating of dormice (‘polh’ in Slovene) does indeed go on, mainly in the south of the country, and I wanted to learn more about it.
Stuffed dormice - An Ancient Roman recipe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvpJTlYJ8k0Replies: @Anon
I wanted to learn more about it.
Only you, utu. Then you disbelieve masonic conspiracies. Freemasons & dormice should go hand in hand.
I’ve always assumed that the “Poles are stupid” jokes were kosher in origin.
There's something pathetic about a people (Whites) who won't accept when they are hated.Replies: @HA, @Alan Mercer
“There’s something pathetic about a people (Whites) who won’t accept when they are hated.”
Hated by you, you mean? Because if all your incessant whining and moaning about how stupid and spineless white people are isn’t hatred, it’s close enough.
And to the extent white people aren’t giving your sad-sack moping the attention you feel it deserves, maybe they’re not the ones who are acting pathetic in that particular scenario.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcbR1J_4ICgReplies: @HA
Ugh. This makes me feel old. I can remember when The Onion was funny. I swear, it really was. A long, long time ago.
Sorry bro, been busy carting off all the dead. 5 million from Covid you know. Rough times.
Their cosmopolitanism extends from the Hudson River to Montauk Point.
Melania's Christmas decor for the White House has been making the news for the past few years for being a bit unusual and not the traditional Christmas vibe and decor. It's sleeker but not a traditional Christmas style and has an occult vibe.
Animal carcasses are associated with occult rituals and decor, and I think that's the reference here.Replies: @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous, @Clifford Brown, @SunBakedSuburb, @ATBOTL
Occult vibe as defined by whom? What is the evidence?
The Onion writers are mostly Millenials, and Gen X at the oldest. Their audience is mostly Millenials. Traditional Polish jokes are not a typical joke reference in this cohort like it might be with older groups and Boomers.
The reference is to Melania's penchant for unusual looking (by traditional Christmas decor standards) decor that has a Hollywood villain-esque or even occult, "satanic" vibe:
"Melania Trump Has Upped The Ante With Another Deeply Satanic Xmas Display"
https://www.pedestrian.tv/home/melania-trump-white-house-xmas/
Perhaps filthy, sickly, and uncouth Americans can learn a thing or two
from the RussiansReplies: @Anon 2, @Colin Wright, @AnotherDad
I should have added, “filthy, sickly, and DEFEATED Americans could learn
a thing or two from the Russians.” Americans are beginning to act like
a defeated people, similarly to the American Indians. Declining life expectancy,
opioid addiction, increasing suicide rates, increasing homelessness, and now
skyrocketing death rates from COVID-19 are only the latest examples
Yes. They were made popular by Borscht Belt comedians, especially Henny Youngman.
An ingenious solution, not lacking in craftsmanship. Might you concede that your classmate was smarter than others of his class?
Perhaps filthy, sickly, and uncouth Americans can learn a thing or two
from the RussiansReplies: @Anon 2, @Colin Wright, @AnotherDad
‘Perhaps filthy, sickly, and uncouth Americans can learn a thing or two
from the Russians.
Don’t bother to test people who are dying anyway to see if they’re positive for the Corona Virus?
Is there any political order that can resolve such a situation?Replies: @kaganovitch
Is there any political order that can resolve such a situation?
Depends what you mean by “resolve”. Joe Stalin had one way of resolving such a situation. Westphalia another.
a thing or two from the Russians.” Americans are beginning to act like
a defeated people, similarly to the American Indians. Declining life expectancy,
opioid addiction, increasing suicide rates, increasing homelessness, and now
skyrocketing death rates from COVID-19 are only the latest examplesReplies: @utu
They are not there yet. They have a long way to go. Suicide rate (among males) in the US is similar to that of your Poland and about two times lower than in Russia or Lithuania or Belarus.
I said, “they are beginning to act like a defeated people.”
Steve had a post on this very topic a few months ago.
It’s a trend that can only accelerate under Biden
I know it’s tough but you can do itReplies: @bomag
Slovenia is nice because it produced Siddharta:
They also used to call each other Wessi (westerner) and Ossi (easterner). It has persisted despite reunification. Alarmist alluded to this in the post ‘The Germans Are Back!’.
Personally I am not bothered. My only concern is double standards.
People have been canceled for using words like ‘niggardly’ and ‘colored’. Imagine the uproar if someone in the mainstream media complex talked about ‘jewing’ people.
https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/1d7/5b9/fd68aa99089ecbda45fc89023bfd33fed7-27-melania-trump-botox.rsquare.w700.jpgReplies: @Bardon Kaldian, @additionalMike, @Zach
There is more than looks.
When I was still reading imaginative literature, I’ve read two leading Slovene authors, Lojze Kovačič and Vitomil Zupan (as well as some others). Also, I’ve read two most acclaimed Israeli authors, Amos Oz and David Grossman.
Slovenes were, on balance, better. They dealt with the essential things in life. Israelis had an advantage of being somehow “exotic”, writing on topics in many ways alien to European cultural area.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_oNXMc5mVEiM/TNpXd8BZr3I/AAAAAAAADCQ/AlhwBLhsS8E/s1600/Paulina%252520Porizkova_21.jpg
According to Steve, yes. He seems to be the only one who thinks so, though.
🎶Polish jokes are here again,
The skies above are clear again,
We can make a slavic smear again,
Happy days are here again.
Re: They are not there yet
I said, “they are beginning to act like a defeated people.”
Steve had a post on this very topic a few months ago.
It’s a trend that can only accelerate under Biden
No, the issue was that he was so fat that he couldn’t find a shirt that fit.
It might be better for her son, Barron, to grow up in Slovenia than in the United States. I also don’t think it’s impossible that Donald may have to go into exile, given the vindictive civil and criminal actions that will be filed against him (and possibly his children). Ljubljana or Bled might start looking pretty good by 2022.
There was a notable decline in Irish jokes in Britain (which often resemble Polish jokes) after the Good Friday agreement.
Yes, nature in Slovenia is really somithing to behold:
Quoting R.Don Steele’s fashion advice : “If it’s brown, flush it down!”.
Germanic and Jewish. Just like Yiddish. Just like Anglo-Zionist Empire.
Look utu, you guys lost the war, so face the truth, and get on with your life.
I know it’s tough but you can do it
Imagine embassy wonks that could be Hillary’s sisters and cousins running over small Third World children in their taxpayer-purchased Chevy Suburbans on their way to a wine n’ cackle session at a random African capital’s finest restaurant and you’ve got it.
https://www.avclub.com/melania-trump-decks-the-halls-with-dead-branches-spine-1820780127Replies: @bigduke6, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Muggles
I like the huge Black Friday banner at the top of the AV Club story.
It’s always good to be reminded of what’s really important in life.
I know it’s tough but you can do itReplies: @bomag
Pretty much where we are: managing the raping and pillaging while wishing we had fought harder.
And excellent wine.
They put our polling place in a weird place this year, not your usual school or firehouse let’s just say. When I wandered into a big dark supply room looking for something my crew needed, there atop the random pile of stuff was a stuffed and mounted raccoon — no doubt left by some Slovenian maintenance man.
For the next 10 hours or so I resisted the urge to take the crittert out and put it on display for voters and staff.
There really are plenty of good-looking Jewish women, if you can find one that is not into politics or lesbianism or in media or academe — and that admittedly thins down the herd. Look at that Dana Nessel from Michigan as an example — she could be presentable enough if the leftist lesbianist anger and arrogance weren’t oozing up and out from within.
Jewish men on the other hand really are an unattractive lot, but hey that works for me — just being fairly generic looking ethnically, plus acceptably athletic and masculine has allowed me to win by comparison and also live as a typical American guy — because everyone assumes Jewish men are all going to look like Alan Dershowitz or Woody Allen.
I never knew Harrison Ford is Jewish, by the way, clearly an exception that tests the rule.
Real Polish jokes, very old (from 80s), but I hope still funny:
What is a difference between freedom of speech in Poland and in USA?
In Poland there is freedom of speech, while in USA there is freedom after speech.
– Hey, I’ve heard in Poland you have no freedom of speech.
– That’s BS. We have freedom of speech.
– Oh really? In USA I can criticize my president, ROnald Reagan and nothing will happen to me.
– It’s the same in Poland! I can criticize your president and nothing will happen to me!
There's something pathetic about a people (Whites) who won't accept when they are hated.Replies: @HA, @Alan Mercer
‘White’ ain’t no country I ever heard of! They speak English in ‘White’?
No, thanks. She’s like twin jaws sister of Jodi Foster.
I think they are working out a deal in which he concedes to Kamala and Joe in exchange for freedom from criminal prosecution and lawsuits after he becomes a private citizen again.
I worked with a Mexican guy at a hospital in San Antonio. Well, actually I worked with many, but this guy was very obese and loved to clown around, as did I. Anyway, one day I called him a frijolero as a joke and, to my horror, I saw an older Mexican patient to my left who had just heard my racist insult. I apologized profusely but he just laughed and said it was ok.
LOL
I remember reading in Reader’s Digest way back in the 90s that during one hot summer in DC soldiers guarding the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier did something similar. They took scissors to their Class A dress uniform shirts, leaving only dickeys to wear under their tunic around the neck and cuffs pinned to the end of their tunic sleeves. Helped take the edge of a hotter than average summer.
He’ll be 15 in March, so not much longer until he’s grown up, at least in the legal sense. His father is still a toddler psychologically despite being 74 years old, so hopefully Barron has avoided that fate. Barron also appears to be about 6’6″, so hopefully he is all done “growing up” in that sense.
From what I gather, he speaks Slovenian pretty well, so he always could bug out to Slovenia with or without his mom and/or dad (not that a reasonably bright American couldn’t learn Slovenian from scratch as an adult).
In Ireland, they have Kerryman jokes. It’s turtles all the way down.
I remember the Polish jokes of my youth… late 70’s or so… that completely disappeared in the 80’s. In fact, I haven’t heard one since then. What was the reason for them? Was it really spiteful East Coast liberal Jews? Incredible that such ideas could filter all the way to suburban northern California and be repeated by unknowing 10 year olds.
In college and beyond I started meeting people with Polish descent and they were all smart. Polish youth seem to run the economy in Britain. The jokes and the reality were miles apart.
Now that I’ve thought about it, I’ll say ditto to all the above with Italian jokes. Who started those?
Yep, I am sure we know (((who started the dumb blonde jokes))) but the disturbing part is when Whites are more than happy to participate in it. Some stereotypes are indeed true, but the dumb blonde is not one them, nor is the smart brunette.
Some actual true stereotypes
Blacks are notoriously lazy
Blacks and criminality
Jews and swindling people
Jews as tightwads
Hispanics being baby making machines
Blacks pushing out babies nonstop * The LIE about so many Blacks receiving abortions is laughable.
Some untrue stereotypes
Southern hospitality * all fake, Southerners are no more hospitable than anyone else, they just put on a good act and wait until you leave to talk bad about you.
Mexicans are lazy* who the hell started this shit? MOST Mexicans are the hardest working folk that I have ever seen.
Italians can all cook * Not my sister-in-law
Irish are drunkards * have met some Irish that never touch a beer much less anything stronger
New Yorkers are mean, obnoxious and uncaring. * Some of the most standup people and decent folk that I ever met were New Yorkers while I lived there back in the day.
Jews have high IQs. * says who, other Jews? hahaha. Does anyone out there really know anyone who has had a legitimate IQ test? And IF you even have a high IQ, what exactly does that prove or what is it really worth IF you can’t even change a flat tire.
Perhaps filthy, sickly, and uncouth Americans can learn a thing or two
from the RussiansReplies: @Anon 2, @Colin Wright, @AnotherDad
I think we can learn some things from the Russians–and other white people who continue to have some national self-respect. (Though all those Eastern Europeans continue to have severe fertility issues. Standing up to the minoritarian immigrationists is only half the battle.)
But on the Xi virus, my guess the difference is accounted for by a few items:
— the US is more scrupulous in testing and classifying every Xi-positive body (and even a few just “suspected”) as a Covid death
— longer US life expectancy so a larger elderly population base to whack
— more obese and especially morbidly obese people
— blacks
When I was still reading imaginative literature, I've read two leading Slovene authors, Lojze Kovačič and Vitomil Zupan (as well as some others). Also, I've read two most acclaimed Israeli authors, Amos Oz and David Grossman.
Slovenes were, on balance, better. They dealt with the essential things in life. Israelis had an advantage of being somehow "exotic", writing on topics in many ways alien to European cultural area.Replies: @syonredux
When it comes to women, looks count for a lot….
Well, yes. Poles are generally Catholics and some cooperated with the Nazis and were anti-semites. See e.g. “The Painted Bird” for a fictional account of this, which, like the anti-Catholic play “The Sheriff, ” was promoted as a true memoir upon its publication.
Also, goyishe kop jokes are a perennial in Jewish humor, Sasha Cohen’s various characters being the latest example of this.
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From that expression in the photo, she is still intent on finding Moose and Squirrel.
True, but the heat going out somewhat from the “Irish question” seemed to at least coincide with less virulent attitudes in Britain towards Irish people. So fewer jokes about “thick Paddies”, and less vitriol in the jokes that are told.
In college and beyond I started meeting people with Polish descent and they were all smart. Polish youth seem to run the economy in Britain. The jokes and the reality were miles apart.
Now that I've thought about it, I'll say ditto to all the above with Italian jokes. Who started those?Replies: @Known Fact
My Polish-American brother-in-law and my fully Polish neighbor are two of the handiest, savviest and most helpful people you could ever meet. Even my mother-in-law was a gem and very capable.
The “dumb blonde” jokes thing is a similar phenomenon, although you can change your hair color so that would be a confounding variable if you did any research into it. I’ll let someone else ask the research subjects if the carpet matches the drapes. At any rate I’d bet on a Pole rather than a blonde if I needed something built, fixed or explained.
The 1980's are long over. Today the "carpets" no longer exist.Replies: @Known Fact
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcbR1J_4ICgReplies: @HA
“Sorry bro, been busy carting off all the dead. 5 million from Covid you know.”
As you well know (unless your memory is as bad as your forecasting skills), the worst case of 5 million was only ever going to happen if we just sat back like a pathetic bunch of losers and let this thing rip through us. You, know — just like YOU advised us to do given that sitting back and whining is apparently all you’re good for.
Luckily, even many of the corona-truthers aren’t that stupid, so that isn’t what we as a species did. So that’s why your Monte Python reference is just a lame non squitur attempt to laugh off a question you’re too cowardly and pathetic to answer. I.e., just you doing what you usually do.
Granted, given that you initially assured us that even 5,000 dead was ridiculous fear mongering, I can see why you were so opposed to doing anything except whining and complaining about what others were doing (again, that being your sole modus operandi), but eventually maybe even you will admit that didn’t turn out so well. (Aw, who are we kidding? — now THAT would be a level of bizarre worthy of a Monty Python skit.)
Can Americans confuse Poland and Slovenia? (Perhaps they are confused with Slovakia which is next to Poland?)
Melania Trump is from Slovenia – Mediterranean/Adriatic coast country next to Italy. Poland is a Northern European country on the Baltic Coast, between Germany, Belarus and Lithuania.
Similarities are that both are Catholic and speak similar Slavic languages, and live next to Germanic people. Slovenia was part of the Habsburg Empire, while part of Poland (Galicia, which is now mostly Ukraine) was occupied by Austro-Hungary . Otherwise there is not much similarity.
Slovenia culture will be much more similar to Italy, Austria, and other Balkan countries (i.e. Croatia). Poles are culturally between Balts, Germany, Czechs, and Russia. But Poland has a very unique culture and specifically “Polish personality”, that cannot be confused with another nationality.
It could get worse. She could pick up some of the feces and sling it at the MAGA wearing Rednecks.
Didn’t the Onion run this joke last year (and maybe the year before that)? Definitely a little tired. Still, I don’t see much point in getting worked up about this, though, does the Right want to follow the Left down the victimhood path?
In any case Slovenians are barely Slavs. It’s a great country, but there is a strong element of Nordic culture running through them. In many ways Slovenians are more stereotypically “German” than Austrians are. There is a reason why Slovenes and Czechs love each other and all the other Slavs find those two tribes a little weird.
My Polish-American friends always blamed the German-Americans. I thought Polack jokes originated in places like Wisconsin, where the German immigrants were keen to mock the newcomers (and Germans always look down on Poles). Although Irish Catholics in Boston were also happy to tell Polish jokes when I was growing up.
Most American Jews are descended from Jews who grew up under Tsarist or Habsburg rule and tended to be a lot more concerned with Cossacks and Ukrainian peasants than Poles. You find more historical anger towards Poland in Israel. I would be surprised if Polish jokes were a big staple of Borsch Belt humor, but, hey, I’ve been wrong before.
US Jews mostly come from the Pale of Settlement, located in present day Poland, Ukraine, and Belarus, though some come from Central Europe as well.
The Cossacks occasionally interfered with exploiting the stupid Polacks and were therefore annoying.
I believe Steve's own initial analysis of Borat was "this is a recycling of Borscht Belt Polack jokes." (Of course, Henny Youngman never tricked an elderly disabled man into attaching a sex toy to his damaged arm so the whole world could laugh at him, and would not do so.)Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
No, Borat is a big Bessarabian joke. Bessarabia is now carved up between Moldova and Ukraine, but it used to be in the Russian Empire and was the heartland of the Danube Cossacks (=”Cossackstan”, get it?). Borat himself is an amalgamation of Jewish stereotypes about Eastern European peasants in general, but Borat’s “homeland” is clearly in an impoverished Romanian/Moldavan looking village, the people speak Romanian, the anti-Semitic stereotypes, the anti-Gypsy rhetoric and the treatment of woman sounds like the way my Romanian/Moldovan friends talk (and nothing like the way Poles talk).
Agreed, and I’ve noticed this trend with boomers generally. They are usually the most insular, ignorant people I know. They know so little about the world and the way it really works, yet their self assurance that they know best is always on display. I don’t know if it’s because they grew up when America was number one and thus they had no need to learn about other places, or if they just implicitly trust media so they lack curiosity. Apologies if you’re a boomer because this obviously doesn’t apply to you.
This is why people have such a visceral dislike for the cosmopolitans, I think. Everyone knows they are clueless, but they can’t stop lecturing others about right and wrong. It’s insulting and demeaning.
https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/1d7/5b9/fd68aa99089ecbda45fc89023bfd33fed7-27-melania-trump-botox.rsquare.w700.jpgReplies: @Bardon Kaldian, @additionalMike, @Zach
I’d be careful with the Polish jokes. I used to love them, along with all the other tasteless jokes told back in the day. There were several books printed of Totally Tasteless Jokes back in the 80’s.
But then one day in our office trailer (construction site), one of my buddies told a Polish joke in front of a Polish ironworker. The ironworker invited him outside, naturally, and then he pulled a razor.
And if he could have found an outlet to plug it in, there would have been trouble, I tell ya.
Jews triumphant.
Same energy as the “Bye Goy!” headline in the New York paper after Steve Bannon got fired.
Same energy as the brutal murder of Saddam Hussein’s two sons after the fall of Iraq.
Most American Jews are descended from Jews who grew up under Tsarist or Habsburg rule and tended to be a lot more concerned with Cossacks and Ukrainian peasants than Poles. You find more historical anger towards Poland in Israel. I would be surprised if Polish jokes were a big staple of Borsch Belt humor, but, hey, I've been wrong before.Replies: @Anonymous, @Bill, @J.Ross
It is true. Jewish Americans are concerned with “Cossacks” and “Ukrainians”. Absurd, but true.
Oh, man, don’t get me started, Jack. My 6 y/o (at the time) wanted us to show him this thing about .Indian people using the bathroom outside anywhere. My wife pulled up a youtube video of a bunch of .Indian people taking dumps in a grid pattern in some big yard. (Social distancing, dontcha’ know.)
The kid was supposed to be eating his dinner, and this distraction wasn’t helping. “Turn it off. How can you watch people pooing if you don’t eat your meat!” Yes, I have listened to some Pink Floyd in my day – why do you ask?
Slovenia trivia: it’s the only sovereign country with the image of mountains on its flag.
The “dumb blonde” jokes thing is a similar phenomenon, although you can change your hair color so that would be a confounding variable if you did any research into it. I’ll let someone else ask the research subjects if the carpet matches the drapes.
The 1980’s are long over. Today the “carpets” no longer exist.
Paul Leonard Newman’s father was Jewish. I always thought Paul was one of the handsomest guys I ever saw, nohomo. Not sure about the lack of masculinity, either. Most Israeli guys are like John Wayne compared to your average American millennial.
And you're right, Paul Newman was some piece of work.
Right, I’m talking your basic very Americanized US Jews. Israelis are a different breed, perhaps less spoiled, more impressive in some ways just to look at, plus I’ve interviewed some men and women and they can be pretty serious and focused.
And you’re right, Paul Newman was some piece of work.
The 1980's are long over. Today the "carpets" no longer exist.Replies: @Known Fact
I’d better update my pron stash!
You can google stories from the past few Christmases about Melania’s Christmas decor. It’s not the traditional, kitschy style of Christmas decor that Trump himself would probably prefer.
The Onion writers are mostly Millenials, and Gen X at the oldest. Their audience is mostly Millenials. Traditional Polish jokes are not a typical joke reference in this cohort like it might be with older groups and Boomers.
The reference is to Melania’s penchant for unusual looking (by traditional Christmas decor standards) decor that has a Hollywood villain-esque or even occult, “satanic” vibe:
“Melania Trump Has Upped The Ante With Another Deeply Satanic Xmas Display”
https://www.pedestrian.tv/home/melania-trump-white-house-xmas/
And like John Wayne, most “Israeli guys” have never been to war. haha. Both let others do their fighting for them. Of course, The Duke receives a pass because he was too old for WWII, and I wish every American, Brit, Frenchie, German, Italian, and Russkie would have sat that one out instead of killing each other.
When I think of masculine men, I sure as hell don’t think of Jews and/or Israelis. There are exceptions of course, but they make up a tiny minority.
https://www.avclub.com/melania-trump-decks-the-halls-with-dead-branches-spine-1820780127Replies: @bigduke6, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Muggles
I hope Melania is planting hidden mircophones all over the WH.
Particularly in the bathroom, where Joe will be spending most of his productive time.
Maybe we’ll finally learn what is really going on.
Since they are now forced to resort to lame, unfunny jibes at the First Lady, you can imagine what we are now in for.
Those replacement jokes about Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham will be flatter than Biden’s brain waves. Good humor is never “kind.” I may have to start watching Colbert just to see him suffer through a humorless monologue every night. Fun!
In Montana where I grew up, these jokes were all North Dakota jokes. They returned the favor, so I was told by one of their residents.
These crazy white people (White!)
Dube, my HS had shop classes but not sewing, so his mom gets the credit. Stay safe.
I remember reading in Reader’s Digest way back in the 90s that during one hot summer in DC soldiers guarding the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier did something similar. They took scissors to their Class A dress uniform shirts, leaving only dickeys to wear under their tunic around the neck and cuffs pinned to the end of their tunic sleeves. Helped take the edge of a hotter than average summer.Replies: @Buffalo Joe
Corn, thank you for the reply and the information. Does Reader’s Digest still exist? Magazine of choice when I visited my doctor’s office in my long ago youth.
“Didn’t make it on a single cover of any women’s mag in the past four years.” Oh yeah, she didn’t make the covers like Moochelle Obama for sure, but this was the same media that was trying to convince the populace that The Mooch was an attractive female. LMAO at that one. I remember hearing a couple of leftoid foot kissers parroting that Moochie was hawt, but even these compliant virtue signalers finally gave it up. Only the most blind of the blind would even think Moochelle Obama was attractive. And face it, I doubt there is a Black woman alive that is even in the same league with Melania in the looks department. Oops, sorry Melania, I KNOW there is NOT a Black female alive that is comparable to Melania in beauty. Not that Melania is the most beautiful woman that I have ever seen, but she is definitely a helluva lot more attractive than the most beautiful Black woman you could find on this planet and EVERYONE KNOWS IT TO BE TRUE.
Melania's Christmas decor for the White House has been making the news for the past few years for being a bit unusual and not the traditional Christmas vibe and decor. It's sleeker but not a traditional Christmas style and has an occult vibe.
Animal carcasses are associated with occult rituals and decor, and I think that's the reference here.Replies: @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous, @Clifford Brown, @SunBakedSuburb, @ATBOTL
“occult vibe”
Also, pagan vibe. Paganism is not necessarily satanic, oh Christian. But it usually involves nudity. I enjoy nudity though most people don’t enjoy my nudity.
https://twitter.com/blompf2020/status/1330901401011179521Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Tony
Fake News
I went to Poland, a couple of years ago, way back when you could still do stuff like that. Warsaw & Krakow, of course, and then Wrocław (OK), Toruń (So, so beautiful) and, finally, my favorite, Poznań, where I attended several wonderful performances at the Grand Theatre…
But the one thing that struck me most, everywhere I went, was how good-looking the Poles are! Nowhere else in Europe have I encountered so much sheer physical beauty.
Not at all what I expected.
Nazi prejudices about Poles were clearly absurd, certainly as far as physical appearance goes.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @JMcG, @vinteuil
Wait!
We can’t tell Polish jokes anymore?
Since when? Who says?
Strictly speaking they are white.
Melania is the best looking first lady the US has ever had from the days of George Washington on down to the present. Well dressed, elegant, speaks more than one language, she’s also probably the most intelligent one we’ve ever had.
Certainly not. Bottom quartile and clearly the poorest educated. Unlike most Slovenians, she can barely manage English. She apparently can’t really speak German or French. Most Slovenians find her embarrassing - she‘s a high class escort who hit the lottery.
Eleanor Roosevelt was probably the most intelligent first wife we’ve ever had.Replies: @Wielgus, @anonymous, @keypusher
More so than Jackie Kennedy? I don't think so.
When I was a youngster in the 60s there were these ethnic jokes. Depending on your audience they were Irish/Itallion/Polish/German/ or the next state. They usually involve around the question of how many people you need to change a life bulb. Then the television show Laugh in made them into “Polish” jokes.Originally the writers want the subjects of the jokes to be citizens of a fictional country. This would have been funny. Then the producers or somebody said they had to be Polish jokes. This killed these jokes. Someday, I will find out who made this decision and piss on their graves.
Well, you certainly can’t call Melania an “Ape in Heels”. The cognitive dissidence is simply overwhelming
Melania's Christmas decor for the White House has been making the news for the past few years for being a bit unusual and not the traditional Christmas vibe and decor. It's sleeker but not a traditional Christmas style and has an occult vibe.
Animal carcasses are associated with occult rituals and decor, and I think that's the reference here.Replies: @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous, @Clifford Brown, @SunBakedSuburb, @ATBOTL
“It’s sleeker but not a traditional… style and has an occult vibe.”
That describes everything in design right now. Melania is just mindlessly trend following.
Thank you for this relay, Zach. This may be as telling as cultural criticism gets.
Most American Jews are descended from Jews who grew up under Tsarist or Habsburg rule and tended to be a lot more concerned with Cossacks and Ukrainian peasants than Poles. You find more historical anger towards Poland in Israel. I would be surprised if Polish jokes were a big staple of Borsch Belt humor, but, hey, I've been wrong before.Replies: @Anonymous, @Bill, @J.Ross
A wise decision on their part. Indians in academia bitch about white racism while Jews in academia bitch about Indians in academia.
US Jews mostly come from the Pale of Settlement, located in present day Poland, Ukraine, and Belarus, though some come from Central Europe as well.
The Cossacks occasionally interfered with exploiting the stupid Polacks and were therefore annoying.
Oh Reader’s Digest is still around. A bit more fluff and less substance then there was 20-25 years ago IMO but it’s still around.
But then one day in our office trailer (construction site), one of my buddies told a Polish joke in front of a Polish ironworker. The ironworker invited him outside, naturally, and then he pulled a razor.
And if he could have found an outlet to plug it in, there would have been trouble, I tell ya.Replies: @Dan Hayes
That’s awful and cringeworthy (whether Polish or otherwise!). 😎
But the one thing that struck me most, everywhere I went, was how good-looking the Poles are! Nowhere else in Europe have I encountered so much sheer physical beauty.
Not at all what I expected.Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Peter Akuleyev, @Wielgus, @JMcG
Mrs C and I visited Poland for the first time last year, and were similarly blown away by how good-looking Poles are.
https://www.markhorrell.com/blog/2018/7-countries-with-mountains-on-their-flags/
But the one thing that struck me most, everywhere I went, was how good-looking the Poles are! Nowhere else in Europe have I encountered so much sheer physical beauty.
Not at all what I expected.Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Peter Akuleyev, @Wielgus, @JMcG
The Czech Republic and Lithuania are even better.
she’s also probably the most intelligent one we’ve ever had.
Certainly not. Bottom quartile and clearly the poorest educated. Unlike most Slovenians, she can barely manage English. She apparently can’t really speak German or French. Most Slovenians find her embarrassing – she‘s a high class escort who hit the lottery.
Eleanor Roosevelt was probably the most intelligent first wife we’ve ever had.
But the one thing that struck me most, everywhere I went, was how good-looking the Poles are! Nowhere else in Europe have I encountered so much sheer physical beauty.
Not at all what I expected.Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Peter Akuleyev, @Wielgus, @JMcG
I am partly of Polish descent but the first time I visited Poland, in 1995, I was dumbfounded by how many Poles were blue-eyed, blonde and fair-skinned. They fit the “Aryan” stereotype better than the Germans, even if you factor out the Turkish presence in Germany.
Nazi prejudices about Poles were clearly absurd, certainly as far as physical appearance goes.
The Soviets famously pushed the Polish border west into former German territory after part 2 of the Great War. The tales of rape would point to there being lots of German blood in Poland. Not just the blood that soaked the ground.
I've only made it to Germany a half dozen times, but my main impression was sheer bafflement over the whole "blonde beast" stereotype. Few blondes, no beasts.
Certainly not. Bottom quartile and clearly the poorest educated. Unlike most Slovenians, she can barely manage English. She apparently can’t really speak German or French. Most Slovenians find her embarrassing - she‘s a high class escort who hit the lottery.
Eleanor Roosevelt was probably the most intelligent first wife we’ve ever had.Replies: @Wielgus, @anonymous, @keypusher
Warren Harding’s wife Florence (née Kling) was a damn sight more intelligent than he was, perhaps no high bar to clear, and it is widely believed that without her drive he would never have made it to the White House.
Certainly not. Bottom quartile and clearly the poorest educated. Unlike most Slovenians, she can barely manage English. She apparently can’t really speak German or French. Most Slovenians find her embarrassing - she‘s a high class escort who hit the lottery.
Eleanor Roosevelt was probably the most intelligent first wife we’ve ever had.Replies: @Wielgus, @anonymous, @keypusher
Ridiculous stupidity. Your comments on this blog are uniformly moronic. Post a photo of your boyfriend.
That’s what I’m saying — but without all that liberal anger the jawline might be a little softer, the eyes not such deep soulless pools of resentment. The spawn-of-Satan governess she serves, Gretchen Whitmer, is a far more extreme and frightening example of this facial phenomenon
Foster is a handsome woman but her expression now seems oddly locked in place.
And a lot of Central and South Americans too. It’s more in the same region if you count coats of arms because some use a stylized red mountain, a Masonic symbol for change and achievement. Mountains also appeared a lot in the arms of socialist countries, there was a period where they regularly had an image of a hydroelectric dam.
https://www.markhorrell.com/blog/2018/7-countries-with-mountains-on-their-flags/
Most American Jews are descended from Jews who grew up under Tsarist or Habsburg rule and tended to be a lot more concerned with Cossacks and Ukrainian peasants than Poles. You find more historical anger towards Poland in Israel. I would be surprised if Polish jokes were a big staple of Borsch Belt humor, but, hey, I've been wrong before.Replies: @Anonymous, @Bill, @J.Ross
I would be surprised if Polish jokes were a big staple of Borsch Belt humor
I believe Steve’s own initial analysis of Borat was “this is a recycling of Borscht Belt Polack jokes.” (Of course, Henny Youngman never tricked an elderly disabled man into attaching a sex toy to his damaged arm so the whole world could laugh at him, and would not do so.)
There is absolutely nothing about that joke that actually references Poles or Polish national characteristics. You can substitute any nationality you want. In fact in New Hampshire, I could tell the same joke substituting "French Canadian" and the joke doesn't change. People in Minnesota tell the same exact jokes about people from Iowa (Q. What's the difference between an Iowan girl and the garbage? A. The garbage gets taken out once a week.)
In that sense, it is silly to call those kind of Polish jokes "offensive".
Borat, otoh, is a very specific stereotype from someone who clearly has a historical grudge against Ukrainians/Moldovans/Romanians and his whole identity and backstory is a series of jokes about Bessarabian poverty, backwardness, misogyny, xenophobia and anti-semitism that would make no sense if they were about a Pole or a Minnesotan (They also make no sense as jokes about real Kazakhs of course, but are on target as jokes about Cossacks).Replies: @Wielgus, @Dube
Melania is the best looking first lady the US has ever had from the days of George Washington on down to the present. Well dressed, elegant, speaks more than one language, she’s also probably the most intelligent one we’ve ever had.
More so than Jackie Kennedy? I don’t think so.
Certainly not. Bottom quartile and clearly the poorest educated. Unlike most Slovenians, she can barely manage English. She apparently can’t really speak German or French. Most Slovenians find her embarrassing - she‘s a high class escort who hit the lottery.
Eleanor Roosevelt was probably the most intelligent first wife we’ve ever had.Replies: @Wielgus, @anonymous, @keypusher
Lou Hoover and her husband translated a Renaissance mining treatise from Latin. I understand she handled the Latin and he was responsible for the mining. In addition to other Romance languages, she also spoke Mandarin.
Really the point is that Melania would score down in the bottom quartile, below Laura Bush as well. Nancy Reagan was no genius, to be sure, but certainly not stupid.
Not sure why Trump fans feel the need to put Melania on a pedestal, does anyone really think Trump married her for her brains?Replies: @Keypusher
Abigail Powers Fillmore
From The Onion:
“At press time, Melania had gathered her family in the dining room for the time-honored Slovenian Christmas meal of a boiled leather belt divided up and eaten in silence.”
Some of the cosmopolites at The Onion must know that some of their own families would’ve looked on a cooked leather belt as a feast during WW2. I’m guessing that the author had read stories about the siege of St. Petersburg, where the starving citizens were reduced to boiling leather and eating soups of sawdust and motor oil.
Well, f**k those authors.
Melania’s beautiful.
Leningrad at the time, not St. Petersburg.
True, you make a good case for Lou Hoover, and Herbert was certainly not the type to suffer fools. Abigail Adams would also be a candidate. Barbara Bush is also very intelligent, and supposedly the real string puller in the Bush family.
Really the point is that Melania would score down in the bottom quartile, below Laura Bush as well. Nancy Reagan was no genius, to be sure, but certainly not stupid.
Not sure why Trump fans feel the need to put Melania on a pedestal, does anyone really think Trump married her for her brains?
Changing gears, Lou Henry Hoover has got to be among the top tomboys of First Ladies. How many women earned geology degrees in 1898? Wikipedia has a picture of her at age 17 on a burro dressed up like Annie Oakley.
I believe Steve's own initial analysis of Borat was "this is a recycling of Borscht Belt Polack jokes." (Of course, Henny Youngman never tricked an elderly disabled man into attaching a sex toy to his damaged arm so the whole world could laugh at him, and would not do so.)Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
Borsch Belt Polack jokes were mostly of “Polacks are so stupid variety”. E.g. “Two Polish men at Halloween with burned faces. What happened? They were bobbing for french fries.”
There is absolutely nothing about that joke that actually references Poles or Polish national characteristics. You can substitute any nationality you want. In fact in New Hampshire, I could tell the same joke substituting “French Canadian” and the joke doesn’t change. People in Minnesota tell the same exact jokes about people from Iowa (Q. What’s the difference between an Iowan girl and the garbage? A. The garbage gets taken out once a week.)
In that sense, it is silly to call those kind of Polish jokes “offensive”.
Borat, otoh, is a very specific stereotype from someone who clearly has a historical grudge against Ukrainians/Moldovans/Romanians and his whole identity and backstory is a series of jokes about Bessarabian poverty, backwardness, misogyny, xenophobia and anti-semitism that would make no sense if they were about a Pole or a Minnesotan (They also make no sense as jokes about real Kazakhs of course, but are on target as jokes about Cossacks).
There is absolutely nothing about that joke that actually references Poles or Polish national characteristics. You can substitute any nationality you want. In fact in New Hampshire, I could tell the same joke substituting "French Canadian" and the joke doesn't change. People in Minnesota tell the same exact jokes about people from Iowa (Q. What's the difference between an Iowan girl and the garbage? A. The garbage gets taken out once a week.)
In that sense, it is silly to call those kind of Polish jokes "offensive".
Borat, otoh, is a very specific stereotype from someone who clearly has a historical grudge against Ukrainians/Moldovans/Romanians and his whole identity and backstory is a series of jokes about Bessarabian poverty, backwardness, misogyny, xenophobia and anti-semitism that would make no sense if they were about a Pole or a Minnesotan (They also make no sense as jokes about real Kazakhs of course, but are on target as jokes about Cossacks).Replies: @Wielgus, @Dube
Some of them are interchangeable with British jokes about Irish people, although genuine animosity has often been present. They have been around for a long time, and in the 18th century were referred to as “Irish bulls”. One example was an Irishman being asked the distance between Cork and Waterford. “By Chreesh, I cannot tell the distance from Cork to Waterford. But it is eighteen miles from Waterford to Cork.”
Nazi prejudices about Poles were clearly absurd, certainly as far as physical appearance goes.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @JMcG, @vinteuil
Critical thinking is not one of Germans’ strong suits …..
Really the point is that Melania would score down in the bottom quartile, below Laura Bush as well. Nancy Reagan was no genius, to be sure, but certainly not stupid.
Not sure why Trump fans feel the need to put Melania on a pedestal, does anyone really think Trump married her for her brains?Replies: @Keypusher
I don’t disagree about Melania. Either of Trump’s first two wives would have been a much more appealing First Lady.
Changing gears, Lou Henry Hoover has got to be among the top tomboys of First Ladies. How many women earned geology degrees in 1898? Wikipedia has a picture of her at age 17 on a burro dressed up like Annie Oakley.
Can you elaborate?
But the one thing that struck me most, everywhere I went, was how good-looking the Poles are! Nowhere else in Europe have I encountered so much sheer physical beauty.
Not at all what I expected.Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Peter Akuleyev, @Wielgus, @JMcG
The best looking people in Ireland are the Poles. Very fit as well. I saw a Polish shop girl in Roscommon Town, surely one of the worst towns in Ireland, that I’m sure I’ll never forget. The language isn’t very nice to my ear though.
Nazi prejudices about Poles were clearly absurd, certainly as far as physical appearance goes.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @JMcG, @vinteuil
I’m very far from an expert, but didn’t Germany lose a lot of territory to Poland at Versailles? Hitler’s proclaimed casus belli against Poland was the treatment of the ethnic Germans in Poland, especially in the formerly Prussian port of Danzig.
The Soviets famously pushed the Polish border west into former German territory after part 2 of the Great War. The tales of rape would point to there being lots of German blood in Poland. Not just the blood that soaked the ground.
There is absolutely nothing about that joke that actually references Poles or Polish national characteristics. You can substitute any nationality you want. In fact in New Hampshire, I could tell the same joke substituting "French Canadian" and the joke doesn't change. People in Minnesota tell the same exact jokes about people from Iowa (Q. What's the difference between an Iowan girl and the garbage? A. The garbage gets taken out once a week.)
In that sense, it is silly to call those kind of Polish jokes "offensive".
Borat, otoh, is a very specific stereotype from someone who clearly has a historical grudge against Ukrainians/Moldovans/Romanians and his whole identity and backstory is a series of jokes about Bessarabian poverty, backwardness, misogyny, xenophobia and anti-semitism that would make no sense if they were about a Pole or a Minnesotan (They also make no sense as jokes about real Kazakhs of course, but are on target as jokes about Cossacks).Replies: @Wielgus, @Dube
Pass the relish, please.
I left out predictable and witty. Sorry.
Nazi prejudices about Poles were clearly absurd, certainly as far as physical appearance goes.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @JMcG, @vinteuil
That was certainly my impression.
I’ve only made it to Germany a half dozen times, but my main impression was sheer bafflement over the whole “blonde beast” stereotype. Few blondes, no beasts.
“The second cardinal tragedy [of the Great War] was the complete break-up of the Austro-Hungarian Empire by the treaties of St. Germain and Trianon. For centuries this surviving embodiment of the Holy Roman Empire had afforded a common life, with advantages in trade and security, to a large number of peoples none of whom in our own times had the strength or vitality to stand by themselves in the face of pressure from a revivified Germany or Russia. There is not one of these peoples or provinces that constituted the Empire of the Hapsburgs to whom gaining their independence has not brought the tortures which ancient poets and theologians had reserved for the damned.”
-Winston Churchill, The Gathering Storm
As a percentage more Israeli men have seen combat than just about any other country I would think.