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From Reason last winter:

Philadelphia’s D.A. Sees Little Value and Much Injustice in Gun Possession Arrests

Larry Krasner also questions the effectiveness of “supply-side” measures aimed at reducing criminals’ access to firearms.

JACOB SULLUM | 2.16.2022 4:55 PM

Philadelphia, like many other U.S. cities, has recently seen a sharp increase in homicides. But in a report issued last month, Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner, a reform-minded Democrat, questions the effectiveness of two commonly proposed solutions to this problem: restricting the supply of firearms, a strategy favored by many Democrats, and prosecuting people for illegal gun possession, which has bipartisan support. The latter approach, Krasner says, is not only ineffective but unjust and racially discriminatory.

As should be clear from Krasner’s dismay at a state and city “awash in guns,” he is not saying these things because he is reflexively skeptical of gun control or anxious to protect the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment. He reaches these conclusions based on the meager benefits and substantial costs of two widely popular crime fighting strategies.

The report was a joint effort by Krasner’s office, the Philadelphia Police Department, the Philadelphia Department of Public Health, the Philadelphia Managing Director’s Office, and the Defender Association of Philadelphia. Their conclusions about the “limited impact” of measures aimed at reducing criminals’ access to guns are presented in the “key findings” of the report.

“Addressing the supply side of guns has limited impact due to several reasons,” the report says. “First, Pennsylvania is a source state of guns, self-supplying most guns used in Philadelphia. Second, most guns used and/or recovered are those purchased a long time ago, indicating that attempts to limit the future supply of guns now will not impact the current gun violence crisis.”

This is why the popular explanation that the murder surge was due to selling more legal guns in March 2020 (when many people said: I don’t know what’s coming, but it will probably be bad) and then again in June 2020 when the Bad Thing happened: while the flow of news guns was very high in those two months, the impact on the stock of total guns in possession was not huge compared to the increase in murders.

Data cited in the report show how implausible it is to think that seizing guns or restricting sales will have a meaningful effect on their availability to criminals. The number of guns legally sold in Pennsylvania rose from 400,000 in 2000 to more than 1 million in 2020, and those numbers do not include firearms obtained in the black market. The total between 1999 and 2020 was almost 13 million, an average of more than 1,600 each day. The daily average was 227 for Philadelphia and four nearby counties.

Meanwhile, Pennsylvania law enforcement agencies seized an average of 22 guns per day. Philadelphia police accounted for 55 percent of that total—12 guns a day.

Krasner spells out the implications in his own section of the report: “Each day in Philadelphia over the last 20 years, for every 3 guns legally bought or sold (i.e., in circulation that we know about), roughly 1 ‘crime gun’ was seized (i.e., removed from circulation). Compounding the problem, in Philadelphia, only 1 in 4 recovered ‘crime guns’ were purchased in Philadelphia…and only half of crime guns seized by law enforcement statewide were purchased in Pennsylvania; the rest were purchased out of state or have no known origin.”

Furthermore, guns used in crimes frequently have been in circulation for years. The report notes that 60 percent of traced guns “showed more than 3 years between the original purchase and recovery.” Given that reality, it says, “there is less investigative value in the original source of the gun (first sale) that is obtained from tracing. The gun may have changed hands multiple times (legally or not).”

The report’s analysis of 100 shooting cases underlines that point: When the source of the gun was identified, none was purchased from a licensed dealer. The main sources were illegal transfers and theft, which is consistent with other research on guns used by criminals. Increased legal restrictions on gun sales, such as expanded background checks, do nothing to address these dominant sources, since they have no impact on people who are already breaking the law.

“With so many guns available,” Krasner says, “a law enforcement strategy prioritizing seizing guns locally does little to reduce the supply of guns, and, if it entails increasing numbers of car and pedestrian stops, has the potential to be counterproductive by alienating the very communities that it is designed to help.” He notes that “people of color are disproportionately stopped in Philadelphia and arrested for illegal gun possession in Philadelphia and statewide.” African Americans, who represent 44 percent of Philadelphia’s population, account for about 80 percent of people arrested for illegal gun possession in the city. …

“The current intense focus on illegal gun possession without a license is having no effect on the gun violence crisis and distracts from successfully investigating shootings,” Krasner says. While some people arrested for illegal gun possession represent a real threat to public safety, he notes, others are merely trying to protect themselves in dangerous neighborhoods. He says gun possession arrests “must be targeted to distinguish between drivers of gun violence who possess firearms illegally and otherwise law-abiding people who are not involved in gun violence.” When “people do not feel protected by the police,” he notes, they may “view the risk of being caught by police with an illegal gun as outweighed by the risk of being caught on the street without one.”

In NYC, the NYPD succeeded in changing the culture to one in which the bad guys were more scared of the cops than of their fellow bad guys, so they left their illegal guns at home.

I’d draw a distinction between having a gun at home for home defense, and having a gun in arms reach when out on the streets. The latter tends to be what leads to shootings at black social events over stupid disses.

… One example mentioned by the public defenders group: “Increased reliance on civilian responders to identify and mediate conflict before it escalates to violence is a promising national practice and particularly promising for Philadelphia since ‘arguments’ are reportedly one of the main drivers of shootings.” That was how half of the 100 shootings analyzed in the report started.

So half the shootings in Philadelphia aren’t Michael Corleone-style strategic organized criminal stratagems, they are people with guns nearby getting in arguments.

Nearly one-fifth of the shootings involved drugs, which reflects the impact that prohibition has on urban violence. Fifteen percent were related to domestic disputes. The report notes that “victims and arrestees for shootings tend to be male, people of color, 18-35 years old, and have a prior criminal history.” …

Does this approach make sense in light of the facts described in the Philadelphia report? Pfaff thinks not. He says the report indicates that “gun violence is much more complicated than Adam’s blueprint suggests” and that “a better way to focus on gun violence is to target the violence more than the guns.”

If black people used fists instead of guns to settle their personality clashes, their murder rate would be a lot lower.

The Atlantic’s Conor Friedersdorf notes that “gun cases pull progressives in opposite directions.” While “they generally favor the strict gun-control laws that prevail in many liberal jurisdictions,” he says, “they are also sharply critical of laws that yield long prison sentences disproportionately for men of color and cut against reformers’ push to reduce mass incarceration.” … “Which should a D.A. opposed to racial inequity prioritize—the disproportionate rate at which Black and Latino residents are arrested for possessing firearms, or the disproportionate burden gun violence and deaths impose on those same communities?” But if gun possession arrests are not a very effective way to reduce violent crime (especially when they fail to distinguish between “drivers of gun violence” and “otherwise law-abiding people”), this puzzle is not as hard to solve as it might seem.

Well, New York City around the turn of the century followed a strategy of scaring lowlifes into not carrying their illegal guns on the street, and Philadelphia at present is worried about point-of-use gun control being racist. Who did better?

 
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  1. Twinkie says:

    If black people used fists instead of guns to settle their personality clashes, their murder rate would be a lot lower.

    Given the extreme lack of marksmanship shown by black street shooters, I think the murder rate might go up if they resorted to close quarters combat without projectile weapons.

    Projectile weapons are for people with high visuospatial IQ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_shooting

  2. Jack D says:

    While “they generally favor the strict gun-control laws that prevail in many liberal jurisdictions,” he says, “they are also sharply critical of laws that yield long prison sentences disproportionately for men of color

    Hmm, how to square this circle? Keep strict gun-control laws but only apply them to deplorable white people. Win-win!

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  3. Reason:

    Larry Krasner also questions the effectiveness of “supply-side” measures aimed at reducing criminals’ access to firearms.

    The number of guns legally sold in Pennsylvania rose from 400,000 in 2000 to more than 1 million in 2020, and those numbers do not include firearms obtained in the black market. The total between 1999 and 2020 was almost 13 million, an average of more than 1,600 each day. The daily average was 227 for Philadelphia and four nearby counties.

    Anti-2A concern troll commenter John Johnson literally shaking right now.

    Johnny boy, the Dems are giving up on guns. It’s a slow demise. You can’t win. 😎

    Big if true:

    Dan_In_Philly  9 months ago

    “The report notes that “victims and arrestees for shootings tend to be male, people of color, 18-35 years old, and have a prior criminal history.””

    That must explain why the stats say overall crime such as burglary, robbery, etc are significantly down, even though murders are up:

    The criminals are shooting each other.

    Seems like a good reason to have gun-giveaways instead of gun buy-backs.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  4. OT: “wise Latina” moment

  5. OT: Is it time for tribunals to be held for those that pushed the Covid Lockdown as a way to get rid of Trump?

  6. J.Ross says:

    Even if people possess firearms illegally, there is still enormous self-explanatory value in catching, preventing, and deterring thoughtless use. You can’t go after every object but you can make clear that it’s a bad idea to act stupid in the wrong place. The Democrat plan is to tolerate thoughtless use but attempt to go after every single gun, including legal ones and ones they don’t know about, for existing. If urban governments were serious they would abandon all focus on ownership and come down like a ton of bricks on misuse. It’s literally making the perfect (and impossible) the enemy of the good.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  7. J.Ross says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I am grateful for the transcript sites people pointed out to me, but I didn’t want transcripts, I wanted cued audio bites like Hugh Hewitt played because they are absolutely devastating and part of the effect is in the hearing. Even Sotomayor is contributing to the death of Affirmative Action.

  8. Polistra says:

    If black people used fists instead of guns to settle their personality clashes, their murder rate would be a lot lower.

    Black people say that they are not properly subject to white man’s law, so it naturally follows that they are also not subject to constitutional protections.

    Now that that’s out of the way, all we need to do to stop crime in its track is to institute stop-and-frisk for all negroes wherever they may be, including pulling cars over when deemed necessary. Gun crime will nearly vanish overnight.

    Harsh? Perhaps, but so is violent crime. These people who resolutely refuse to get their own house in order have absolutely no grounds from which to lecture the rest of us. Bleeding heart white women can move to a walled, protected site where negroes will be free to have all the guns they want. Should be fun.

  9. The NYPD Street Crime Unit, scary, tatted, roided up tough guys, kept guns off the streets for decades. They were hard to miss, especially if you were driving around late at night trying to find a parking spot. I would notice blacked out undercover cars because they were driving the block back and forth just like I was.

    Their motto “WE OWN THE NIGHT” is pretty Batman.

    DeBlasio abolished the undercover street crime units after George Floyd, but they have quietly been brought back.

    • Thanks: mc23
    • Replies: @Cortes
  10. J.Ross says:
    @Twinkie

    This, whatever moron said that has managed to never hear of the knockout game. Blacks kill with one blow all the time, in part because they like to beat up elderly targets. Many such stories, often with video.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  11. Mr. Anon says:

    Nearly one-fifth of the shootings involved drugs, which reflects the impact that prohibition has on urban violence.

    Why not say that it reflects the impact that drugs have on urban violence?

    • Thanks: HammerJack
  12. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Anti-2A concern troll commenter John Johnson literally shaking right now.

    Johnny boy, the Dems are giving up on guns. It’s a slow demise. You can’t win.

    I’m a concern troll because I’m not a blind NRA cheerleader like yourself? Because I point out that the NRA has a complete lack of long term strategy?

    Do explain how the NRA/Republican party will defeat the long term anti-gun strategy of the left:

    1. Get more votes from minorities and children of immigrants as they expand faster than the White population.

    2. Pass California style laws that erode the 2A by creating arbitrary licensing and safety requirements. Overload the NRA by making them choose which laws to take to court.

    Go ahead and explain. What is the counter-strategy? You can’t carry a handgun in most of California and you also can’t buy the newest models of semi-autos. Do explain how the country won’t follow the same path as Whites become a minority. The children of illegals in California allowed the Democrats to get a majority and pass endless gun laws that the NRA can’t keep up with. All demographic data suggests that the rest of the country will follow the same path.

    Not a SINGLE NRA MEMBER has been able to answer this question. Go ahead and explain for us. Explain how the NRA plans on dealing with this demographic change.

    Or just admit you are a blind cheerleader that hasn’t thought about any of this out and relies on clapping your hands like a monkey and shouting as if politics is just a sport. That barely works when Whites are a majority but go ahead and explain why you think the children of immigrants will become proud gun owners and not follow the children of Californian illegals.

    Explain the counter-strategy and how it will mitigate a very clear demographic pattern that favors Democrats.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
  13. Alden says:

    Too sad, too bad sob sob we don’t want to alienate the career criminals out on parole for manslaughter and Great Bodily Injury by confiscating their stolen guns.

    As long as they’re killing each other. Who are we to judge? How about reservations. Walled reservations where they can celebrate their wonderful culture by killing each other. .

    • Replies: @Sick n' Tired
  14. Alden says:
    @John Johnson

    I think you’re right about the gradual elimination of the 2 amendment. Once the radical White hating left finds a cause they never let up decade after decade. Lenin had a saying, 2 steps forward 1 step back Which means 1 step forward. Start with simple basic facts of sex education. A couple hours in 6th grade.

    60 years later drag queen shows at grade school assemblies and brainwashing kids to believe that they are the opposite sex of what they are born. And black animals raping White girls in school bathrooms allowed and encouraged because the rapist claims he thinks he’s a girl.

    Another reason there’s so many radical causes around us lack of decent middle class jobs. What’s left is government and lobbying non profit jobs lobbying for whatever causes they can think up. There’s not only BAs and MAs but even PhDs in Social Justice Entrepreneurship. Basically parasites scrounging for government and charitable grants And they do very well working for non profits.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  15. @J.Ross

    Can you imagine what the homicide rate would be if negroes practiced target shooting?!

    Cant figure if this is a good thing or a bad thing.

    • Replies: @TWS
    , @Rob McX
    , @J.Ross
    , @Kylie
  16. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    Late-breaking Emmett Till news:

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @J.Ross
    , @Polistra
  17. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Projectile weapons are for people with high visuospatial IQ:

    How do Blacks rank in visuospatial IQ? Since they tend to be athletic, we could guess they are good in it.

  18. It’s as if the only solution to reduce black crime is to have less blacks.

  19. AndrewR says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I am certain this is dumber than anything ever publicly uttered by a non-Sotomayor supreme court justice. Quite likely dumber than anything a non-Sotomayor judge in the US has ever said, and I’m including local judges. What I’m curious about is whether she herself has ever said anything dumber than this (on the bench). I also wonder if Obama and the senators who voted for her ever feel embarrassed.

  20. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Tribunals for Mr. Unz and Mr. Sailer over their COVID hysteria would be harsh, but likely necessary. Still, I am a patient bro.

    • Thanks: Bill Jones
    • Troll: Corvinus
  21. George says:

    NYC policing was based on improved finances which led to increases in jail space among other improvements.

    Gov. Wolf Announces Pennsylvania Prison Population Reaches 20-Year Low
    October 07, 2021

    Governor Tom Wolf announced today that as of October 1, the number of people incarcerated in state correctional facilities is 36,743 – the lowest total since 2001.

    https://www.governor.pa.gov/gov-wolf-announces-pennsylvania-prison-population-reaches-20-year-low/

    In the 1990s NYPD police corruption was taken seriously, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mollen_Commission

    Where you see a failure of will power, I see a financial crises leading to reductions in all manner of services.

  22. Having never been to Philadelphia, I’m glad I never have.

  23. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Sotomayor is everything the Left claimed Clarence Thomas would be.

  24. while the flow of news guns was very high in those two months

    News guns – guns in the news or new guns?

  25. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Here’s the original plea for “Can’t we all just get along?”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/

    Let’s Declare a Pandemic Amnesty

    We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID.
    By Emily Oster

    The insolence is astonishing.

  26. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Apparently the “wise latina” doesn’t understand Latin?

    Joking aside, this is proof that Affirmative Action promotes mediocrity.

    • LOL: Paul Jolliffe
  27. @Twinkie

    The US non-firearm homicide rate is equal to, or higher than many Western European countries.
    Of course, you can’t mention the biggest single factor in the difference in that statistic.

    • Agree: Alden
  28. If a white Philadelphian illegally carries a gun and shoots a black criminal, will Larry Krasner NOT charge them with illegal weapons possession?

  29. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/02/prison-officer-job-ad-banned-over-negative-racial-stereotype

    You can have (and we do) hundreds of adverts showing black people as doctors/lawyers/techies, but don’t show a black guy as a prisoner!

    “An advertising campaign run by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) featuring a white prison officer and a black prisoner has been banned for perpetuating negative stereotypes linking race with criminal activity.

    The Facebook ad promoting jobs at HMP Wormwood Scrubs in London featured a prison officer talking to an inmate wearing an afro comb in his hair, alongside the caption: “We’re key workers, problem solvers, life changers.”

    The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA), which said that the ad displayed an “imbalanced power dynamic” between the men, received a complaint that it perpetuated negative stereotypes relating to black men and criminal activity that was likely to cause serious offence.

    The MoJ said the ad featured a real-life prison officer and inmate, and as such argued it was not an “inaccurate or unfair representation of the type of engagement that might have been seen between officers and prisoners”.”

    Also in the Guardian, from 2011

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/oct/26/young-black-men-youth-jails

    “Young black men now account for nearly 40% of the population of youth jails in England and Wales, according to a report by the chief inspector of prisons.”

  30. Renard says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    While I definitely agree that she is an arrogant, ignorant birdbrain, I also have to think she’s likely aware of the meaning of de jure and de facto.

  31. J.Ross says:

    OT Sometimes the city of Detroit can be beautiful.

  32. J.Ross says:

    OT Remember how they weren’t going to have an office of disinformation? Except they did, it was a hundred times bigger than Janky’s online nightclub act, and it goes back at least to 2020.

    The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency Act, signed by President Donald Trump,* opened the door to this as it formed a new branch within DHS, which then undertook to deal with online “disinformation.” CISA stated its understanding that the mission of that branch of DHS was “evolved,” and meant to communicate their concerns on “disinformation” to social media companies. Social media companies took DHS’ word for it.

    The government had its fingers all over social media companies. DHS would tell social media companies what they wanted off the platforms via “takedown requests,” and then the platforms would submit reports to government. They would be “called on to ‘process reports and provide timely responses, to include the removal of reported misinformation from the platform where possible.’”

    https://thepostmillennial.com/dhs-leaks-starting-in-2020-dhs-began-meeting-with-twitter-facebook-wikipedia-and-more-monthly-to-coordinate-content-moderation-efforts

    *Not his fault, he thought he was the president at the time.

  33. Mike Tre says:

    “I’d draw a distinction between having a gun at home for home defense, and having a gun in arms reach when out on the streets. The latter tends to be what leads to shootings at black social events over stupid disses.”

    Funny thing is, I’ve been carrying concealed for 6 years, and … I know I know, it’s crazy – but I’ve never even had the urge let alone the need to unholster it. Then again, I’ve never been dissed on twitter because I don’t have it.

    Perhaps we should be drawing the distinction between the bipeds that are carrying guns, and not whether the guns stay at home or not.

    Or maybe negroes would be better off leaving their social media at home along with their guns.

  34. AceDeuce says:

    The State/Commonwealth of Pennsylvania has some of the least restrictive gun laws in the country, heavy or personal freedom and common sense. Philly has long used that as an excuse, although the “gun crime” is pretty much confined to the negroes and puerto rican scum who have infested the state.

    The state was still 89% White in 1990, but, between 2000 and 2010, hispanics grew by 82%, asians by 60%, and nigros by 13%. YT is now at 75% or so. There are many counties that are 90%White or more, awash in guns thanks to all the hunters and farmers, and relatively no “gun crime”–and that’s even with the relentless national cultural negroization of young people, the economic rape of those areas by DC and big business, and the 50 year infestation of illegal drugs.

    • Agree: mc23
  35. OT: https://time.com/6227424/poland-building-border-russia-kaliningrad/

    Poland Orders Border Wall With Russia’s Kaliningrad, Cites Security and Migrant Crossings

    To avoid confusion- that’s what I read at a Serbian forum:

    Africans, not people from the Middle East, make up the majority of migrants who cross the border with Belarus into Poland after staying in Russia. The Africans have Russian visas for work or study, but according to the testimonies of Polish border officials, these are people who clearly did not plan any work or study in Russia. They use Russian residence visas only to pass the migration route to Poland. The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs has made the procedure for obtaining Russian residence visas for residents of African countries as easy as possible. It is a hybrid operation aimed at destabilizing NATO’s eastern wing by causing a migration crisis. That is why Warsaw’s decision to install a triple razor wire on the border with Russia is good.

    • Thanks: Alden
  36. Line 30 typo, “the flow of news guns” should be “the flow of new guns.”

  37. Mike Tre says:
    @John Johnson

    Your post is pure deflection. The NRA is not the basis of the 2A.

    Would you refer to the ACLU if you were going to remark about the 1A?

    Your handle has “typical Hindu troll at UR” written all over it.

  38. As the midterm elections approach, Democratic Party crime denialists have been ruthlessly teased by iSteve.

    I happened across an article by one Jacob Silverman in The New Republic profiling David Sacks, the high-tech guy who funded successful recall of procriminal SF DA Boudin. https://newrepublic.com/article/168125/david-sacks-elon-musk-peter-thiel. Sacks is also now one of Musk’s Twitter investors.

    I haven’t looked at TNR since 2003 when they contemptibly promoted the fraudulent Iraq War. Before that, TNR was interesting to me because sometimes they’d print new ideas and unpredictable views offensive to conventional wisdom.

    Silverman is far to the left of the old TNR. He writes like he’s a few tiny notches to the right of the old Weather Underground (the terrorist organization Boudin’s jailed parents hailed from). He hurls slurs and slanted accusations against the huge majority of people to his right, like a barking Lenin-wannabe chihuahua on methedrine.

    Silverman sprays spittle on old-school radicals like Jimmy Dore, Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi. He nips at Sacks’ pants legs for his admiration of the pragmatic working class leftism of long-prominent but recently-excommunicated Democratic-Party intellectual Ruy Teixera.

    Silverman’s barking is most frantic and his spittle most projectile, however, against certified leftists who are committing the thought crime of noticing street crime and saying so: the co-hosts of radical-socialist Jacobin Youtube show, Weekends with Ana Kasparian and Nando Vila. https://twitter.com/mayavada/status/1539010342054789122

    Vila actually said, “Arguing about whether people’s perception of crime is real or not is definitely a losing battle, because all you have to do is see that it is real.”

    Kasparian actually said that the left is “turning bad guys into victims, and victims into bad guys.”

    Kasparian also hosts The Young Turks news channel, where she did a segment on a repeat violent offender who killed a cop, titled, “Why are violent criminals not serving jail time in California?” Among other things she is peeved at LA DA Gascon for not charging gun enhancements. If you swapped in Tucker Carlson it would be about 90% the same script.

    Ana, however, seems to have a poor understanding of cause and effect. In 2018 she noisily explained that the black crime differential is caused by racist police, in 2020 she applauded rioters’ demand to defund the police, and she doesn’t get how her holy open border and its saintly illegals have a lot to do with homelessness, addiction, and crime.

    Timur Kuran’s useful ideas about preference-falsification and preference cascade are not forgotten but they are under applied to current woke phenomena. When publicly-expressed preferences are broadly falsified it’s impossible to prospectively estimate how and when the bubble will collapse, but in retrospect how it happened is obvious. Maybe the midterm election results followed by Musk’s elimination of political censorship on Twitter will be the public shocks that reveal to a large enough number of people that a large enough number of people don’t privately favor crime, inflation, censorship, mass immigration, mandated sexual degeneracy in schools, and such; maybe not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preference_falsification

    • Thanks: ic1000
    • Replies: @Curle
  39. Arclight says:

    Now that the left answers to a) urban blacks and b) white elites well insulated from blacks, it no longer able/willing to embrace realistic measures around crime because it would be jailing its own voting base (or at least their sons and boyfriends) and upsetting its donors at the same time.

    This is one of the fundamental problems of our politics and society today – the tails that wag the Democratic dog are also the tails at each end of our country’s social/economic curve and this induces a sort of policy schizophrenia and puts them at odds with the broad middle.

    Pointing this out should really be a layup for the GOP, but its current leadership are dinosaurs that need to be put out to pasture.

    • Agree: Abe, Redneck farmer, Mark G.
    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  40. Twinkie says:

    OT: The Victimest People EverTM continues: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/yes-harvard-discriminated-against-jews-no-that-s-not-what-it-s-doing-to-asian-americans/ar-AA13D3Vl?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4f515517aabb4473b3effdccd0fc418d

    Yes, Harvard Discriminated Against Jews. No, That’s Not What It’s Doing to Asian Americans.

    The author is Jerome Karabel (who wrote the book “The Chosen”): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Karabel

    He actually has the Chutzpah to say that one evidence of Harvard’s discrimination of Jews and non-discrimination against Asians is that Jews complained a lot, but Asians don’t:

    This fundamental distinction between both the purposes and practices of exclusion (vs. inclusion) is vital to understanding the radically different responses of the Jewish community of the early 20th century compared with the ways in which Asian American communities have responded in the first decades of this century. The Jewish response to the change in Harvard’s admissions policies in the 1920s was unanimous—and fierce—opposition. Prominent Jews, including ACLU founder and later Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter as well as famed political journalist Walter Lippmann, did not hesitate to express their outrage. In an editorial in the New York World, for instance, Lippmann criticized the bigoted Harvard president A. Lawrence Lowell, who had installed the new policy. Lippmann wrote that at Harvard there had been “a change of soul at the top … in the place of [the previous president], who embodied the stern but liberal virtues of New England, there sits a man who has lost his grip on the great tradition which made Harvard one of the true spiritual centers of American life. Harvard, with the prejudices of summer hotel; Harvard, with the standards of a country club, is not the Harvard of her greatest sons.” There has been no such similarly unanimous response among the Asian American community to rally against Harvard’s admissions policies as clearly bigoted, because they are not even close to equivalent to the 1920s policies. [Boldfaces mine.]

    In other words, there was real heinous discrimination against Jews, because we Jews all vociferously complained about it, but there isn’t really discrimination against Asians, because they are not all making a scene as we did.

    Then he plays a con game with numbers, perhaps hoping that the readers are too innumerate to realize the sleight-of-hand:

    The claim that Harvard has imposed a secret “quota,” though, is at the center of the SFFA’s portrayal of Asian Americans as the “New Jews.” But the claim of a quota is not supported by the facts; the proportion of Asian American freshman at Harvard has risen gradually from 3.6 percent in 1976 to 10.8 percent in 1985, to 17.9 percent in 2010, to 27.8 percent in 2022. The contrast with Jewish quotas could not be more stark; at Harvard, Jewish enrollment, which had surpassed one-quarter of the freshman class in 1925, quickly plummeted to 15 percent with the imposition of the quota, while even more draconian quotas limited Jewish enrollments at Yale and Princeton to 10 and 3 percent, respectively. Nothing remotely like this happened in recent years in any of these institutions, rendering deeply problematic the portrayal of Asian Americans as the “New Jews.” In the fall of 2022, the entering class at both Yale and Princeton was 25 percent Asian American. [Boldface mine.]

    The Jewish population in the U.S. increased from about 1.5 million in 1900 to about 4.3 million in 1942 (then to about 5.2 million in 1970). Asians in America went from 1.5 million in 1970 to 3.5 million in 1980 to about 12 million in 2000 and finally to 24 million in 2020. Meaning, in 50 years, the Asian population increase 16-fold in the U.S., so even if the Asian enrollment at an elite institution increased from 15% to 25%, effectively there is a large per capita decline in representation and a substantial evidence for a quota (and that’s not even factoring the fact that the more recent Asian immigrants are more selected educationally).

    Judging from his elite credentials (Exeter, Harvard B.A. and Ph.D., and grad work at Oxford and EPHE in Paris), Karabel isn’t exactly a dummy, so I must conclude that this is just straight up lying in defense of Jews as the Victimest People EverTM.

  41. MEH 0910 says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    https://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/stimulating-a-justice/
    https://archive.ph/SrfE7

    On a much lesser note, Sotomayor gave another illustration of her propensity for malaprops. In this passage from the UNC argument in which she challenged the models, or simulations, that SFFA had presented of alternative race-neutral means of attaining racial diversity in a student body, she alternates between simulation(s) and stimulation(s). (The passage corresponds to the UNC transcript 47:5-48:6. I hear the proper term at 47:6, 47:18, and 48:4 and the malaprop at 47:11, 47:13, and 47:24. The transcriber missed the errors, as I also did when I listened to the livestream.) When Sotomayor again said stimulation in the Harvard argument, Harvard counsel Seth Waxman corrected her. (74:21-75:1.)


  42. He says gun possession arrests “must be targeted to distinguish between drivers of gun violence who possess firearms illegally and otherwise law-abiding people who are not involved in gun violence.”

    This is kind of the whole dilemma of law enforcement: How do you know who’s a criminal and who’s a “law abiding citizen?” The problem is, everyone is “law abiding” until they aren’t. And big city police are pretty bad at catching people after they’ve already shot someone.

    If you can’t “profile” potentially violent criminals (“drivers of gun violence”) and then bust them for relatively ticky-tack non-violent violations (like possessing an unlicensed gun), then your only strategy is to wait for actual shootings and do your best to clean up the mess afterwards.

    The policing and incarceration debate might be more interesting if people tried to be specific. For example, how many collective years of incarceration would you be willing to impose for unlicensed gun possession to prevent one murder? What does the data show about the increase in murders when you stop enforcing gun possession laws? Is it worth it?

  43. Brutusale says:
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    It’s bad form to post that here, as ol’ Steverino will be one of the first in the dock, though in his case I think it was dissemination of information that he wanted to believe, given his medical history. I can understand it, but I won’t forgive it, pleas from that silly twat writing in the Atlantic notwithstanding.

    It’s still going on. the Boston Globe publishes a state-wide Covid count every day. There were allegedly 86 Covid deaths in MA over the past week. The girlfriend’s hospital hasn’t had a Covid-only patient in weeks, and her friend at MGH says it’s the same there.

    Still lying.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  44. Ralph L says:

    If this were an actual YT supremo blog, a higher young black & brown body count would be a feature, not a bug, since it leads to more de facto segregation and localized poverty.

    Which is cheaper, ER bills or prison cells? Who wants to pay for an expensive criminal justice system that’s also ineffective?

  45. Still avoiding Kanye West, Steve?

    The Ye story seems to have hit a nerve in you. I wonder what it is? (That’s an honest question, by the way. Still, your silence is telling.)

  46. J.Ross says:

    OT But a gigantic news story and possibly significant for our immediate future. Imagine if the monolithic mainstream media and an alternate reality Garland Supreme Court effectively prevented Trump from most forms of conventional campaigning, and an alternate reality Hillary Clinton emerged from federal prison to claim 50.9% of an electronic vote. That’s happening in Brazil, with a page taken from Canadian truckers. Roads are blocked, communist subhumans are riotimg. Crucially, cops and feds are with right-leaning Bolsonaro and against convicted felon and socialist Lula. I’m not seeing or hearing much about this in American newsmedia (contrast the celebration of the return of Netanyahu).
    Below the more tag, a 4chan general OP template. Generals are regularly recurring threads focused on a major current event (thus Syria General, Dutch Farmers General, Comfy Happening in Ukraine General, Donald Trump General or DTG, Darrell Brooks or Grounz General, Canada Truckers or The Honkening General), the template starts each edition of the general and gathers important links with a broad, updated summary.

    [MORE]

    SPEECH: https://twitter.com/siteptbr/status/1587530755567226881
    ENGLISH TRANSCRIPT: https://pastebin.com/xfZbNvXc
    NEWS STREAM (Portuguese): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmJ4z9ZBeQU [Open] [Embed] [Open] [Open] [Open]

    GRU AIRPORT BLOCKED, FLIGHTS BEING CANCELLED.

    ARMY ARMORED VEHICLES SPOTTED IN MANY CITIES ACROSS COUNTRY

    >convicted criminal wins presidency election with 50.9% after a fraudulent election process
    >people are pissed
    >truckers are going on a strike all over the country
    >protests happening all over the country
    >people are asking for the army to coup the convicted criminal
    >leftoids are rioting and looting because they’ve been emboldened
    >police officers and feds were filmed saying they’ll support the protesters
    >Bolsonaro hasn’t said a word since the results were out

    >Brazilian journalist Diego Escosteguy on Twitter:
    >”STF ministers came together to determine that security forces release the country’s highways. They will ratify Moraes’ decision in the next few hours. They sent Bolsonaro to warn that the director of the PRF [Polícia Rodoviária Federal, Federal Highway Policy] will, in fact, be arrested if he doesn’t act soon. There are more serious measures under study.”

    >PRF (federal highway police) is seen supporting the protesters on several occasions, including seen cutting a fence for the protesters at GRU airport.

    >Protestors asking for military to get involved and kick commies out


    https://t.me/tupireport/8262

  47. Dr. X says:

    Well, New York City around the turn of the century followed a strategy of scaring lowlifes into not carrying their illegal guns on the street, and Philadelphia at present is worried about point-of-use gun control being racist. Who did better?

    You mean, “Who did better at grossly violating the constitutional rights of the people and giving government goons total power, the Constitution be damned?” New York, obviously.

    The pattern that has been followed across the Western world is to disarm the people and to create Hobbesian Leviathan governments with complete authority over all use of force. Crime has always been a pretext for gun control, the powers-that-be couldn’t care less how many blacks kill each other, all they care about is making sure the people cannot kill them.

  48. J.Ross says:

    Joe Biden was just thinking about Iraq because that’s where his son died. On the battlefield, earning a Bronze Star. When Biden has a moment of clarity, he doesn’t return to a functioning human brain, he reverts to a cartoon of a two-bit hayseed anything-to-win politician whose father was a used car salesman.

  49. “With so many guns available,” Krasner says, “a law enforcement strategy prioritizing seizing guns locally does little to reduce the supply of guns, and, if it entails increasing numbers of car and pedestrian stops, has the potential to be counterproductive by alienating the very communities that it is designed to help.” He notes that “people of color are disproportionately stopped in Philadelphia and arrested for illegal gun possession in Philadelphia and statewide.” African Americans, who represent 44 percent of Philadelphia’s population, account for about 80 percent of people arrested for illegal gun possession in the city. …

    He’s slipping the rabbit into the hat here – seizing guns from illegal possessors doesn’t substantially affect the overall supply of guns, but it does restrict the supply of guns of one illegal possessor to zero by seizing his gun and charging him with a felony. Ideally he would be “incapacitated” as a criminal by pre-trial detention absent bail, and a subsequent period of incarceration (because unlike Krasner the DA has chosen to enforce a clear prohibition against felons in possession of guns). That, in turn, reduces the incentives and risk/reward calculus for other illegal possessors – if they illegally carry guns, they could wind up in prison just for illegally carrying a gun. If the really bad guys stop carrying guns, the marginal cases who carry handguns because they might wind up crossing paths with a really bad guy illegally carrying a gun have less of an incentive to carry. The “practical supply” of guns (the ones most likely to be used in a shooting due to a petty street argument) is reduced, without need to address the “overall supply” of guns.

    The only downsides are that suburban white guys get to keep their scary accessorized rifles that are statistically insignificant factors in crime, and black people bristle at the racism of keeping more black people alive and without holes and paralysis.

  50. “Silverman is far to the left of the old TNR.”

    In other words: a True Believer.

    Speaking of “preference-falsification”, I wonder how many public media commentators (particularly, though not necessarily exclusively, on the Left) are representative of this phenomenon.

  51. Does this approach make sense in light of the facts described in the Philadelphia report? Pfaff thinks not. He says the report indicates that “gun violence is much more complicated than Adam’s blueprint suggests” and that “a better way to focus on gun violence is to target the violence more than the guns.”

    Fascinating stuff.

    Make gun violence illegal. Why didn’t anyone think of that?

    Yea well there is a problem called “no snitching” that makes it difficult to solve these cases. They have very low clearance rates because no one talks. That is why the supply side is looked at.

    But both conservatives and liberals don’t have the guts to talk about it so nothing really changes.

    If cops are busy seizing guns and arresting people who arm themselves purely for self-defense, for example, they have less time to identify and arrest violent criminals. This is not a matter of being “hard” or “soft” on crime, as Republicans often frame the issue. It is a matter of being smart or dumb.

    If they are carrying an illegally acquired handgun then it is the job of the police to arrest them. That handgun may belong to someone else and last I checked theft is still illegal. How are we supposed to know they will only use the guns for self-defense? Because they say so?

    Just another libertarian article with no real solutions and the usual child like naiviety. As with liberals they don’t want to lock up Blacks for having illegal guns but also want the violence to end. How? Well underpants gnome theory of course.

    Libertarianism is a race denial based ideology created by Ayn Rand and as such is unable to approach this problem honestly. It actually holds that no gun laws should exist which means Black felons should be able to buy full auto AK-47s.

    Let’s now look at the Libertarian that wrote this garbage:
    Sullum is a graduate of Cornell University, where he majored in economics and psychology. He lives in Dallas with his wife and three daughters.

    So not even close to one of these areas. Just a Libertarian in Texas opining about violence that he doesn’t have to worry about.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @Muggles
  52. @MEH 0910

    That’s very curious… the repeated switching between the word “simulation” and “stimulation”. It’s almost as if she’s so unfamiliar with using the word “simulation” that if she doesn’t carefully enunciate it, she defaults into saying “stimulation” instead.

  53. @MEH 0910

    According to Tucker, Señora Wise Latina also confused “de jure” with “de facto”–two phrases which any reasonably educated non-lawyer can distinguish.

  54. @Jack D

    Krasner is the king of anarcho tyranny. He is one of the most dangerous people in America

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  55. @J.Ross

    It’s literally making the perfect (and impossible) the enemy of the good.

    It’s worse than that. It’s making the good the enemy of logic.

    The Krasner double-think kicks in here:

    The report’s analysis of 100 shooting cases underlines that point: When the source of the gun was identified, none was purchased from a licensed dealer. The main sources were illegal transfers and theft, which is consistent with other research on guns used by criminals. Increased legal restrictions on gun sales, such as expanded background checks, do nothing to address these dominant sources, since they have no impact on people who are already breaking the law.

    “With so many guns available,” Krasner says, “a law enforcement strategy prioritizing seizing guns locally does little to reduce the supply of guns, and, if it entails increasing numbers of car and pedestrian stops, has the potential to be counterproductive by alienating the very communities that it is designed to help.” He notes that “people of color are disproportionately stopped in Philadelphia and arrested for illegal gun possession in Philadelphia and statewide.” African Americans, who represent 44 percent of Philadelphia’s population, account for about 80 percent of people arrested for illegal gun possession in the city.

    In other words, confronted with irrefutable evidence that the guns criminals use come from about 100% illegal sources and 0% from legitimate sources, Krasner’s galaxy-brain response is, “Yeah, since we can’t reduce the legitimate guns, there is no point seizing the illegitimate guns. Oh, and also muh racism.” Apparently that struck everyone as a reasonable response. I guess sprinkling magic race dust on a statement makes the audience’s brains just cease functioning.

    • Agree: Art Deco
    • Thanks: J.Ross, Bill Jones
  56. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    She was probably thinking of au jus segregation

  57. Dems can claim NY crime is just a “misperception,” but Broadway expert Mike Riedel admits fear is now seriously cutting into ticket sales

  58. @John Johnson

    Black felons should be able to buy full auto AK-47s.

    I think we should go one further. Build a wall around the cities to keep the rayciss White police out,
    Then sell them the AK’s

  59. @Almost Missouri

    Someone should also remind Sullum (a libertarian in an ivory tower) that 1/3 of Black men have a felony charge:
    https://journalistsresource.org/economics/felony-triple-prison-conviction-black/

    So you have a better chance than a dice roll that you are taking a gun from someone that is committing a felony.

    In fact it is probably coin toss if you are taking a gun from someone in Philadelphia at night.

    He is trying to live a libertarian fantasy where most of these Black men would be legit conceal carry holders if not for government intrusion.

    I truly detest the left when it comes to race and guns but libertarians are freaking idiots. Their ideology requires them to adopt these irrational beliefs. They set out trying to blame the government and end up making the most irrational statements “let’s not take their guns and assume they are following the law even though they probably didn’t acquire them legally”.

    Ugh. Can this stupid Ayn Rand cult please go away? Conservatism/liberalism have enough problems with race denial but the Randians take it to another level. So glad our tax dollars are going to this professor and his genius conclusions.

  60. there’s 600,000 more democrat voters in PA than republican voters. crime will cease to be an election issue soon. democrats will run the state from here on out, and they’ll run it for the benefit of criminals. Wolf, Shapiro, Fetterman, and Gainey will be letting murderers out of prison. indeed, they already are.

    this transition, to where crime is no longer a relevant political issue that anybody can run on during an election, will be happening nationwide over the next decade. this is already how things are in Democrat machine cities. crime? what crime? and will be coming to state elections, and then national elections, soon enough. the Ann Coulter plan – relentlessly harp on crime – will be irrelevant soon.

    the Republican party is an expended political force. they already accept all the departments in DC being openly used against them. DOJ, IRS, FBI directly attack Republican politicians and the party doesn’t respond.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Travis
  61. boomtrain says:
    @Jack D

    Hmm, how to square this circle? Keep strict gun-control laws but only apply them to deplorable white people. Win-win!

    that’s effectively what happened in Canada

    https://globalnews.ca/news/8431288/mandatory-minimum-repeal-for-some-offences-canada/

    The federal government has introduced a bill in the House of Commons that would repeal mandatory minimum penalties for drug offences and some gun-related crimes….

    These reforms have been long called for by advocates, who have argued that current measures perpetuate systemic racism in Canada’s justice system, leading to disproportionately higher rates of imprisonment for Indigenous peoples, Black Canadians, and those struggling with substance use and addiction.

    simultaneously, the right honourable prime minister decided to get tough on gun crime by completely banning handguns
    https://pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2022/10/21/freezing-market-handguns

    Fewer guns mean safer communities. That’s why the Government of Canada is implementing some of the strongest gun control measures in a generation. Handguns are the weapon of choice in most firearm-related crimes, which is why limiting the number of handguns is a critical part of our plan to protect Canadians from gun violence.

    The Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, today announced the national freeze on the sale, purchase, and transfer of handguns comes into effect. From now on, people cannot buy, sell, or transfer handguns within Canada, and they cannot bring newly acquired handguns into the country.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  62. Old Prude says:
    @Jack D

    Your comment applies to most every law nowadays, not just 2A.

  63. @John Johnson

    I’m a concern troll because I’m not a blind NRA cheerleader like yourself?

    Who mentioned the NRA? Did you not read the Reason article? The diverse people of Philly (probably not NRA members), and of greater PA, have spoken with their wallets:

    The number of guns legally sold in Pennsylvania rose from 400,000 in 2000 to more than 1 million in 2020, and those numbers do not include firearms obtained in the black market.

    The trend is not your friend: They love guns! Cry moar, if it’s even possible…

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  64. @Almost Missouri

    Yeah, since we can’t reduce the legitimate guns [e.a.], there is no point seizing the illegitimate guns.”

    I give Krasner credit for being a ‘liberal’ who finally agrees with the bolded preface above. Maybe he’s actually becoming liberal, no qualifying quotes necessary.

    Apparently that struck everyone as a reasonable response.

    Seems to be a fair win-win compromise! Legal gun owners enjoy 2A with less government interference, and Democrats get to enjoy their action-packed local safari.

    And, if some uppity wildebeest(s) break out of their reserve to do violent crimes (armed or not), 2A is the answer to that if the local po-po won’t do anything.

    Fellas, gals, we are officially in the mutual combat era. Learn it, live it, love it.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  65. a state and city…

    a Commonwealth and county…

    awash in guns”

    What did the SPLC tell us about using aqueous metaphors? That it is demeaning!

    Or doesn’t it count for the inanimate objects the so-demeaned choose to collect? Pennsylvania doesn’t even have a seacoast, unless you count the freshwater one to the northwest. (Three of the Commonwealth’s four surviving lighthouses are on that shore, though Philly’s Turtle Rock on the river is a beaut. But I digresss…)

    victims and arrestees for shootings tend to be male, people of color, 18-35 years old

    So if it’s race discrimination, it is also sex and age discrimination. Has anyone looked into the breakdown by sex of traffic stops?

    If black people used fists instead of guns to settle their personality clashes, their murder rate would be a lot lower.

    George Zimmerman might have had a different perspective. Literally.

  66. Well, you could implement Constitutional Carry, which is basically what every New York resident realizes once they become a victim.

    You could implement a voluntary FOID card which simply states that you are not a prohibited person from possession of a firearm, blocking the police from harassing you for exercising your rights. That means police are still free to arrest prohibited people having firearms.

    A win-win; ordinary citizens get to shoot criminals in the streets and cops get to arrest felons.

    Explore: Shootings by CCL holders in Illinois since concealed carry law went into effect in 2014.

    More than 315,000 Illinois residents have a concealed carry license, about 2.5% of the state’s adult population. But the state does not keep records on when these license holders fire their weapons, how often they do it, or if they wound or kill someone. The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. We found at least 71 incidents involving CCL holders and shootings or threats through February.

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-viz-illinois-ccl-shootings-tracker-20200227-ww4ldqwdjrd2ze63w3vzewioiy-htmlstory.html

  67. Bernard says:

    That was a long winded piece stating the obvious, nothing in it that made me go “Wow, I never thought of that”. Give it’s author credit though, he’s learning.

  68. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I’m a concern troll because I’m not a blind NRA cheerleader like yourself?

    Who mentioned the NRA? Did you not read the Reason article? The diverse people of Philly (probably not NRA members), and of greater PA, have spoken with their wallets:

    You’re repeating the predictable NRA/Republican talking points whereby all gun laws are bad and should never be discussed based on merit and certainly not in the context of race. The default Fox/NRA/GOP/Con Inc boilerplate position on guns.

    As with the NRA/Republicans you have no solution to the long term demographic strategy of the Democrats. This strategy was successful in California despite Con Inc talking heads telling us that Hispanics are “natural conservatives”. Sure, and they voted Democrat as the data predicted.

    Who mentioned the NRA? Did you not read the Reason article? The diverse people of Philly (probably not NRA members), and of greater PA, have spoken with their wallets:

    Gun sales increased all over the country. So what? That doesn’t change the laws. Oregon also had an increase in gun sales and anti-gun legislation is on the ballot and will most likely pass.

    Half of all Democrats would ban guns entirely if they could:
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/survey-majority-of-democrats-want-to-ban-semi-automatics-half-want-to-ban-all-guns

    The Democrats have the better long term game. We can all go buy a dozen guns tomorrow and that won’t change their strategy.

    This type of “Feel good” reactionary conservatism is destined to lose. It doesn’t address long term trends and cowardly avoids stepping across the race line. Why give the opposition an advantage when they are destined to win? Why play by their rules?

  69. SMK says: • Website
    @Jack D

    It would be “poetic justice” if Krasner and other Soros-funded DAs were shot and killed by violent recidivist black criminals they refused to prosecute. But, alas, I’m sure that will never happen -not even to one of them.

  70. Muggles says:
    @John Johnson

    So not even close to one of these areas. Just a Libertarian in Texas opining about violence that he doesn’t have to worry about.

    So your post is just one big fantasy ad hominem attack. Where someone lives (and his alleged libertarianism) is all you need.

    Texas (along with many other states) has dropped rules about concealed carry and most open carry. There are still exceptions and private property owners can restrict open carry if they choose.

    Some permits are needed for concealed carry in certain places, mainly schools and government buildings. Otherwise, you can carry legal firearms. No, full auto is illegal w/o a federal Class III permit. Few actually own full auto, and few routinely carry hand guns, even in Texas.

    This was recently legislated. Result? No mass slaughter or shoot outs in the streets. Yes, firearms are used in crimes, like before. Criminals didn’t/don’t care about laws anyway.

    Your post hints but doesn’t outright say that “blacks shouldn’t be allowed to own guns.” If that is your entire point (instead, you blame poor late Ayn Rand and other libertarians for this oversight) why not say so?

    Libertarians (and others) don’t think firearms laws should be determined by race. Or other laws for that matter.

    Okay, if you’re a racist on this, just say so. Don’t beat around the bush.

    In left-liberal states where concealed carry is not legal w/o a permit, they still don’t randomly stop and frisk blacks either. Instead, gun toting criminals of all races can menace defenseless citizens.

    The bigger problem isn’t frisking blacks for illegal guns, but that Soros and other commie DAs oppose cash bail for suspects and oppose prosecuting actual proven crimes at all. Surprised at high crime rates? Such a mystery.

    Do you think if your racist gun law was in effect, that black criminals wouldn’t still carry guns?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  71. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I give Krasner credit for being a ‘liberal’ who finally agrees with the bolded preface above. Maybe he’s actually becoming liberal, no qualifying quotes necessary.

    He has always been a liberal DA. He doesn’t believe in locking up Blacks for illegal gun possession but wants gun violence to somehow end. A standard liberal position in the cities.

    Gun possession has long been ignored in cities like Chicago. They can’t lock up every negro with a gun and they don’t want to. Rahm (a Democrat) tried passing a mandatory sentence law and the Black politicians flipped out. They made comments like “we ain’t lockin up all our sons”.

    Seems to be a fair win-win compromise! Legal gun owners enjoy 2A with less government interference, and Democrats get to enjoy their action-packed local safari.

    No what happens is that the public gets sick of it and the Democrats go to voters with anti-gun legislation or they just pass it on their own.

    Fellas, gals, we are officially in the mutual combat era. Learn it, live it, love it.

    Half these cities are broke from having to spend so much on law enforcement and medical bills.

    There is no lassie faire society. Your Federal taxes go directly to these areas. I talked to a surgeon who worked one of these areas and they would spend Friday night patching up negroes. Do you realize how much a surgeon charges per hour? The medical costs of gunshot wounds have bankrupted some hospitals. Want to know how they spread the charges? They basically upcharge everyone else. So if a White guy gets hurt on the job and doesn’t have insurance he will still be charged a ridiculous amount to help cover some basic stiches. Some hospital in Chicago got caught charging couples with insurance an insane amount to deliver a baby. White people get charged 10x over for this crap.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  72. @Muggles

    So not even close to one of these areas. Just a Libertarian in Texas opining about violence that he doesn’t have to worry about.

    So your post is just one big fantasy ad hominem attack. Where someone lives (and his alleged libertarianism) is all you need.

    No I explained why I thought he was wrong. I also called him an idiot. I openly take the position that libertarians are idiots.

    Do you think Chicago would be improved if we legalized all drugs and let Black felons buy full auto AK-47s from department stores? That is the position of the libertarian party. It is in their platform if you want to verify it. Most people would think that is idiotic. Feel free to disagree.

    Texas (along with many other states) has dropped rules about concealed carry and most open carry. There are still exceptions and private property owners can restrict open carry if they choose.

    So? Red and blue states have diverged in gun laws. Doesn’t change anything I said. Demographic changes suggest that the Democrats will eventually get a Federal majority and pass California type laws. Death by a thousand cuts.

    Otherwise, you can carry legal firearms. No, full auto is illegal w/o a federal Class III permit. Few actually own full auto, and few routinely carry hand guns, even in Texas.

    Please read my posts before responding. I never said that full auto is legal. I said that libertarians would allow everyone to purchase them. That is their position.

    Your post hints but doesn’t outright say that “blacks shouldn’t be allowed to own guns.”

    I never said or hinted that. I would like the GOP and NRA to be honest and stop using the euphemism of “gun crime”. One third of Black men in this country have a felony conviction. This is not a nation wide gun problem. I am completely open to having a full discussion on the subject with all points of view (including pro-Black and far-left). I’m tired of Con Inc lying their heads off to avoid the rhino in the room. None of this has been solved by lying and anti-gun Democrats will ultimately win if nothing changes.

  73. Bernard says:
    @John Johnson

    This type of “Feel good” reactionary conservatism is destined to lose. It doesn’t address long term trends and cowardly avoids stepping across the race line. Why give the opposition an advantage when they are destined to win? Why play by their rules?

    The flip side to the conservatives message is the equally reactionary and feel good; “We support COMMON SENSE Gun laws”. I mean, who can oppose common sense? As discussed in the article, none of these laws have much of an effect on criminals and are just inconveniences for the law abiding. The real argument they would like to make is that “guns are bad and no one should have them”, therefore we should repeal the second amendment. Short of that, everything liberals espouse is entirely insincere and just for votes.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  74. @John Johnson

    Why give the opposition an advantage when they are destined to win?

    But they’re actually losing on guns…

    • Replies: @TWS
  75. @Bill Jones

    We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID. By Emily Oster.

    LOL. “We” were in the dark only because “they” spread lying propaganda and censored and deplatformed everyone who tried to shed actual light on the subject. (Which they are still doing as they attempt to cover their asses by gaslighting the public and hiding the data about the debacle that they perpetrated.)

  76. @Bill Jones

    Thanks for the link.

    In April 2020, no one got the coronavirus from passing someone else hiking. Outdoor transmission was vanishingly rare. Our cloth masks made out of old bandanas wouldn’t have done anything, anyway. But the thing is: We didn’t know.

    She didn’t know because she wouldn’t listen, was unwilling to tolerate dissent and deferred to authority. She SHOULD have known.

    a class I’m co-teaching at Brown University on COVID.

    Good grief.

    Another example: When the vaccines came out, we lacked definitive data..But at the time, many people in public health were either neutral or expressed a J&J preference. This misstep wasn’t nefarious. It was the result of uncertainty.

    Most of us knew they lacked definitive data. However, authorities insisted they did have the data, and demanded anyone questioning them be silenced. They were (and are) fools, and insisting dissenters be silenced is, in fact, nefarious.

    Remember when the public-health community had to spend a lot of time and resources urging Americans not to inject themselves with bleach?

    No, because it didn’t happen. Just like Oklahoma emergency rooms didn’t fill with people that took horse-sized doses of invermectin. These were both lies peddled by compliant sheep such as Anderson Cooper.

    Given the amount of uncertainty, almost every position was taken on every topic.

    And only was position was the “official” one, and the Oster’s of the world loudly clamored for everyone else to be silenced.

    hard calls that people had no choice but to make with imperfect knowledge. Los Angeles County closed its beaches in summer 2020.

    They had perfect knowledge, they just couldn’t give up the power trip. By summer 2020 everyone paying attention knew that closing beaches would do nothing and would likely be counter-productive (by leading people to spend more time indoors) and yet LA County did it anyway. No forgiveness is warranted.

    We have to put these fights aside and declare a pandemic amnesty.

    Fauci belongs in prison.

    • Agree: Old Prude, TWS, Liza
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  77. @John Johnson

    [Krasner] doesn’t believe in locking up Blacks for illegal gun possession but wants gun violence to somehow end.

    Right. He is forced to pick only one, and since he knows that guns aren’t going anywhere, he’s accepting that his constituents are gonna be as wild as they wanna be. He’s resigned to living in Killadelphia. Maybe he’ll move to Vermont.

    No what happens is that the public gets sick of it

    LOL! The violent Democrat jurisdictions love violence, and the violent (revealed preference). As you wrote above:

    the Black politicians flipped out. They made comments like “we ain’t lockin up all our sons”

    You write:

    the Democrats go to voters with anti-gun legislation

    That’s changing. The new trend is for more and more Democrats leaders to consider all gun control to be racist. The trend is not your friend.

    There is no lassie faire society.

    Au contraire:

    Your Federal taxes go directly to these areas.

    Meh. So advocate cutting bennies, if that’s what’s bothering you.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  78. @MEH 0910

    She’ll be alright. She just needs some simulated stimulation.

  79. Anonymous[905] • Disclaimer says:
    @prime noticer

    Any Republican who runs on a “law and order” platform will be subjected to a Trump-scale level of vilification. And like Trump, even if he wins, he will have great difficulty implementing his policies due to massive obstructionism from the same hostile forces.

    Who needs the aggravation? (Especially since most Republican politicians have the financial means to insulate themselves from crime, as they can from the problems of immigration. These aren’t their problems.)

    • Replies: @Gore 2004
  80. Basically all of progressives’ “dilemmas” and “frustrations” really come from an attempt to sublate the truth that the white man and capitalism are not actually to blame for all the world’s ills. Hopefully that sublation can be overcome through a dialectical process producing a synthesis of common sense aspiring rapper control.

  81. Gore 2004 says:
    @Anonymous

    Explain how Lee Zeldin, a New York Republican running for governor is so competitive against the longtime Democratic establishment?

    All Zeldin runs on is crime.

    So explain that.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  82. Anon[147] • Disclaimer says:

    She may indeed know the terminology but just had a diabetes brain moment. She has Type 1 diabetes. The average age of death from diabetes Type 1 is 69. Sotomayor is 68. Type 1s don’t live as long on average as people with diabetes Type 2.

    I would keep an eye on her to see if she starts deteriorating in public.

  83. TWS says:
    @HammerJack

    With the same diligence they practice everything else? Won’t make any difference.

  84. TWS says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    He’s the very definition of an idiot concern troll. Oh, hell just any kind of idiot you can think of. I have him blocked because nothing he says contributes to any discussion. He’s even less honest than corvie but it might be simple IQ problems.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  85. Anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brutusale

    Yeah, Steve threw that up about his past health condition as a shield against any criticism. But it seems to me there are all kinds of health risks out there, Covid was just one, and it’s suspicious that he focused on just that one. And that he parroted the demands for a lockdown, etc..

  86. @Alden

    This guy does extremely unbiased, well researched, documentaries on YouTube about this subject. They should be “Must See” for any soft headed liberal who thinks the majority of blacks are dying because of lack of opportunity, discrimination, or racist cops.

    https://youtube.com/c/TrapLoreRoss

  87. @Alden

    I think you’re right about the gradual elimination of the 2 amendment. Once the radical White hating left finds a cause they never let up decade after decade. Lenin had a saying, 2 steps forward 1 step back Which means 1 step forward. Start with simple basic facts of sex education. A couple hours in 6th grade.

    Yes thank you for reminding us that Marxists used a similar pattern. They didn’t even hide their goal of hammering the schools until they won (long march through the institutions).

    I may across as anti-gun to some but I really am against the Con Inc/NRA status quo because I think it ultimately serves as tolerated opposition. Liberals are terrified of race discussions and not tit for tat legal battles.

    Repealing one law while the left passes 4 or 5 is not winning. It is treading water and an ultimately doomed strategy because of demographic changes.

    When Republicans take power they don’t push back on guns. This is because they really don’t have any ideas other than to get the Democrats out. They will do something like let the AWB sunset but they don’t have a long term strategy and they have no idea as to how they can demotivate the left. They really don’t seem interested in discussing such things.

    60 years later drag queen shows at grade school assemblies and brainwashing kids to believe that they are the opposite sex of what they are born.

    After telling us that they wouldn’t move on gay marriage.

    Another reason there’s so many radical causes around us lack of decent middle class jobs.

    Well Republicans oppose large scale public projects that can provide a lot of middle class jobs. Their refusal to recognize any utility in public spending also feeds the left. Their response to a lot of the growth of service jobs has been the usual OH WELL. I do quite well and yet I’ve had conservatives personally accuse me of being jealous or poor because I support creating middle class jobs through the government.

    I am pro-gun but not an economic conservative or even close. I simply don’t believe in it. In fact I think it should be obvious at this point that race is a more predictable factor than lassie faire capitalism. Haiti has lassie faire capitalism and they are currently at the will of a gangster who goes by the name of barbecue (he burns his victims both alive and dead). I have asked many conservatives if they would take surgery in “socialist” Sweden or a free market African country. Nearly all went on some irrelevant rant to change the subject.

  88. @Senor canis

    Krasner is the king of anarcho tyranny. He is one of the most dangerous people in America

    I don’t think that works when he doesn’t have any influence over who can be legally armed (as long as they don’t have a criminal record, but he doesn’t much care about that, does he?), at most he can try to punish legitimate acts of self-defense but I haven’t heard of any (notorious) examples. In court they frequently fail.

    The Soros DAs in places like counties of California that don’t issue concealed carry permits, or only to the politically powerful like in NYC, are better illustrations of this. Bruen will in theory be fixing this, but for now there’s a lot of Massive Resistance. California went so far as to make bringing suit against it financially ruinous unless the plaintiff wins every part of his case.

  89. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    the Democrats go to voters with anti-gun legislation

    That’s changing. The new trend is for more and more Democrats leaders to consider all gun control to be racist. The trend is not your friend.

    Where is that trend evident? Are you really that troubled by nuanced thought? I probably own more guns than you do.

    Do explain how the Oregon gun ballot that will most likely pass is a sign of us winning.

    Also explain why you think Democrats won’t pass more bills at the ballot level as Whites become a plurality. Let’s look at the whole west coast actually:

    Washington – Banned 10+ mags, regulated AR-15s and yet still wants to ban them.
    Oregon – Strict licensing proposal on ballot even though 99% of their “gun crime” is in the Black area. Left-wing group spoke about wanting to ban AR-15s eventually.
    California – Banned most new handgun models, requires ID to buy ammo, featureless AR-15, LA sheriff using NY ruling for corruption, allows gun sellers to be sued over “gun crime”.

    How do I know all this? Unlike you I read about what the opposition is doing. I get email alerts from a pro-gun group. As with most gun owners this is probably all news for you.

    This is winning?

    Your Federal taxes go directly to these areas.

    Meh. So advocate cutting bennies, if that’s what’s bothering you.

    I don’t support cutting Medicaid because conservatives and liberals lie about race. That is the type of madness that occurs from avoiding the truth. You want me to advocate cutting off some White worker’s medicaid because the adults in the room can’t face the reality of Blacks filling hospitals with gunshot victims. Madness.

    Why are you even here if you support the Con Inc/NRA status quo? Go over to Fox News where you can be told that everything is fine and no one will bring up the Hispanic/foreign baby boom and how it will allow Democrats to gain a majority and pass the same type of laws that they do in blue states. Most of us are like Steve and don’t support lying for the feels. Republicans have been doing that for decades and what is the result? Blacks still vote Democrat 90% of the time and Republicans are currently rallying around a mediocre football player for Senate…who has 4 kids with 4 different women and encouraged at least two abortions. What a party.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  90. @Gore 2004

    Explain how Lee Zeldin, a New York Republican running for governor is so competitive against the longtime Democratic establishment?

    Get back to us November 9th or so when we find out who the Deep State actually allows to win in elections. Public polls mean nothing given how hard they’ve become even before we consider how politicized, especially since these pollsters don’t have insight into the Democrats cheating machines and willingness to brazenly steal elections. Until them I’m strictly tempering my enthusiasm.

  91. Kylie says:
    @Bill Jones

    “Let’s Declare a Pandemic Amnesty

    We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID.
    By Emily Oster”

    Eff her and her ilk. What she really means is “My side needs you deplorables to forget how deplorably we treated you the last couple of years. Now let’s move on.”

    For me, there can be no forgiving and no forgetting any of what the left has done. I wish the worst on them.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  92. @boomtrain

    simultaneously, the right honourable prime minister decided to get tough on gun crime by completely banning handguns

    Uh, no. You can keep the one you already have. Kind of like machine guns in the US. Canada isn’t quite Scotland yet.

    Grandstanding.

  93. @Anonymous

    Actress Jenifer Lewis

    Was Jenifer “F-off” Lewis named for Daniel of St Thomas Jenifer?

    A street on the isthmus in Madison, Wisconsin was– he signed the Constitution. And this school in his home state:


    He was born in Port Tobacco, which has nothing to do with the weed.

  94. @Bernard

    The flip side to the conservatives message is the equally reactionary and feel good; “We support COMMON SENSE Gun laws”. I mean, who can oppose common sense? As discussed in the article, none of these laws have much of an effect on criminals and are just inconveniences for the law abiding.

    Agree and by playing nice on race the conservatives allow liberals to set the context of the debate and play their games of deceit and dishonesty where everyone pretends that race isn’t a factor.

    I have debated liberals on guns and they will mentally shut down when you rationally discuss race as a factor. They don’t know what to do and assumed you would play “nice conservative” and sit there and smile as they make all kinds of disingenuous arguments. You’re not playing by mainstream rules and it absolutely terrifies them.

    It is also very disruptive to anyone on the fence. Many here underestimate how many Whites truly believe that “gun crime” is mostly spread evenly. Well that is what television tells them and they assume only Bad Whites somewhere would suggest otherwise. Conservative race denial allows television to promote that belief. They never challenge it as they maintain their own race taboos.

    The real argument they would like to make is that “guns are bad and no one should have them”, therefore we should repeal the second amendment. Short of that, everything liberals espouse is entirely insincere and just for votes.

    That is really what they want and they don’t care if gun legislation A or B actually works. If it doesn’t appear to work then they will just argue that it didn’t go far enough. Or they will correctly assume that everyone will forget about the results and they move on to the next legislation which is what they do in California. It’s relentless attacking at the state level until they get their majority at the Federal level which is what all data suggests will happen unless conservatives wake up and realize that they are serving as temporary opposition.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  95. @William Badwhite

    You’re quoting the COVID amnesty article, here I’ve included the full quote:

    When the vaccines came out, we lacked definitive data on the relative efficacies of the Johnson & Johnson shot versus the mRNA options from Pfizer and Moderna. The mRNA vaccines have won out. But at the time, many people in public health were either neutral or expressed a J&J preference. This misstep wasn’t nefarious. It was the result of uncertainty.

    WTF?!??!?!?!!??? This is a straight up lie!

    Why would anyone prefer a late vaccine using an almost equally new technology as the mRNA ones not available in quantity due to a couple of decades of bipartisan corruption that was explicitly designed to be less effective which in turn was reflected in the data submitted by all three efforts???

    You can ask, why even bother? Well, besides not knowing if any vaccine would be safe and effective back in January 2020, Janssen’s ambition was to make the very best single jab vaccine, one that requires medical refrigeration instead of medical freezing (Moderna) or extreme freezing (Pfizer/BioNTech) and vaccinate the world with it. Its Phase III primary endpoint was explicitly preventing severe disease, preventing infection was a secondary one (and they hoped two doses would improve on that). Preventing clinical detected infection was the primary endpoints for both mRNA vaccines and I’m pretty sure the other Western ones.

    It ended in tears, or if you prefer blood: for straightforward reasons mRNA vaccines are much easier to manufacture, freezing when you have access to dry ice isn’t an insurmountable obstacle, Third World target populations got lots of natural immunity before they could possibly do vaccination campaigns (we couldn’t know when more transmissible variants like Alpha etc. would arise) and on the surface this was not so bad because of their youth weighted population pyramids (we’ll see based on morbidity including delayed mortality), and:

    Adenovirus vector vaccines turned out to be a bad idea, but for Janssen’s this was something that could only be found out in Phase IV “post-marketing” when millions instead of low tens of thousands got it. Simple math, it even turned out one Phase III recipient got the bad clots in the veins that drain blood from the brain adverse effect, but that wasn’t signal in the information theoretic sense.

    Previously it had one EU strength Phase III trial for one of two Ebola vaccine doses (not the vaccine or vector used to stop outbreaks), that was the most we knew about this vaccine platform. Although Oxford did worse perhaps because they used a chimp vs. human for their virus vector (Russia did even worse because their second dose couldn’t be manufactured in quantity). Which itself wasn’t necessarily a bad idea until put to the test, but it’s telling they did a full FDA strength Phase III trial in the US and never submitted an EUA application.

    The US Federal public health authorities stopped recommending Jansen long ago. Assuming other vaccines turned out to work, which we couldn’t know until the end of 2020, it never made sense for us except for populations you’re concerned you won’t be able to give a second dose to like the homeless. Wikipedia now tells us the company stopped manufacturing it in February 2022 although “it will likely resume at some point in the future and that it will honor all pre-existing contracts that oblige Janssen to supply its vaccine by using the millions of already existing vaccine doses in its inventory where requested.”

    If this is the quality of this “amnesty” article and concept, well no surprise, there’s a great deal more to straight up lie about. But at least the Janssen effort wasn’t criminal or stupid, just one of many gambles that didn’t work out with two that did for vaccines, something we couldn’t know in January 2020 when everyone started developing their vaccines based on the PRC published classic Wuhan RNA sequences.

  96. @John Johnson

    I don’t support cutting Medicaid because conservatives and liberals lie about race. That is the type of madness that occurs from avoiding the truth. You want me to advocate cutting off some White worker’s medicaid because the adults in the room can’t face the reality of Blacks filling hospitals with gunshot victims. Madness.

    So if you think White taxpayers paying for Black medical care is unfair, you should run for office on a platform that provides for public medical assistance, but explicitly only for Whites. Could be the proverbial million dollar bill lying on the sidewalk!

    Why are you even here if you support the Con Inc/NRA status quo?

    Con Inc tactics are fine when they work, more aggressive tactics (like Trumpism 2016) can also get stuff done. Beyond that, if/when things go really sideways, anything can happen, and no actions are off the table. Are ya winning, son? You sound kind of demoralized, and shit hasn’t even started yet.

    Go over to Fox News where you can be told that everything is fine and no one will bring up the Hispanic/foreign baby boom and how it will allow Democrats to gain a majority and pass the same type of laws that they do in blue states.

    Tucker Carlson talks about that all the time on his show. (Maybe you’re only watching The Five?) You’re forgetting the checkmate should the last come to clause come to pass.

  97. @John Johnson

    I have debated liberals on guns and they will mentally shut down when you rationally discuss race as a factor.

    What did that accomplish in the real world? Did they change their minds and become pro-2A voters? Amazing. Or did they just fall into a coma, utterly demoralized by your arguments, and simply fail to show up to vote? Incredible! I think you’ve found the secret weapon!

    It’s relentless attacking at the state level until they get their majority at the Federal level which is what all data suggests will happen unless conservatives wake up and realize that they are serving as temporary opposition.

    Again, you’re forgetting the checkmate.

  98. @TWS

    He’s the very definition of an idiot concern troll.

    Who tag-teams with an “unconcern troll”– to whom you replied– to mess with our minds. Note their opposite extreme positions– we have to give up RKBA because of race, and there is no threat to RKBA thanks to (transitory) court decisions which will live forever, no matter the evolution of the country’s demographics.

    I don’t see how any thinking person could read their extended back-and-forth without coming to the conclusion that neither of them are worthy of our trust. It’s like a Central American political debate from the 1980s. “Yanquing” our chains!

    You have to admit the SPLC, ADL, CCP, or whoever is behind them has upped their game. Pretty sophisticated of them.

    • Agree: BosTex
  99. Travis says:
    @prime noticer

    This decline of the White population is a big reason for the decline of the GOP.
    We lost 10 million White people over the last decade, and are expected to lose another 12 million whites before the next census. The number of whites under the age of 40 has collapsed since 1990 falling from 120 million down to 85 million today. With the demographic death spiral just getting started. Only 20 million whites were born over the past decade, a significant decline from the 25 million whites born during the 1990s. At the current level of white fertility and miscegenation the white population will decline from the current 187 million down to 90 million by the end of the century when the majority of whites will be either Amish, Mormon or Jewish.

  100. @Kylie

    We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID.
    By Emily Oster

    Eff her and her ilk.

    And her kith and her kin! We’re being puréed in the Osterizer!

    • LOL: Kylie
  101. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    should the last come to clause come to pass

    Could be some extra words in there! whoops

  102. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    So if you think White taxpayers paying for Black medical care is unfair, you should run for office on a platform that provides for public medical assistance, but explicitly only for Whites. Could be the proverbial million dollar bill lying on the sidewalk!

    I pointed out that hospitals in Black areas have gone bankrupt because of out of control costs related to gunshot wounds.

    I’d rather not see hospitals shut down because the adults in the room can’t talk about what “gun crime” really means. That includes your conservatives that fully support lying about race while complaining about liberal dishonesty.

    I’m not a White nationalist so I wouldn’t propose a Whites only health care system.

    I’m for facing reality. I don’t think 50 years of lying has worked. Black violence hasn’t gone away, we have massive debt from race denial based programs and the schools have switched to cheating to hide the gap. I saw that cheating first hand but you seem to think I’m supposed to look the other way and support the lies of the system. For some strange reason you think another decade or two of Con Inc lies will somehow turn it around. The data says not really and Democrats will most likely turn the country into California.

    Con Inc tactics are fine when they work, more aggressive tactics (like Trumpism 2016) can also get stuff done.

    Trump governed like a typical Republican. He didn’t do anything aggressive when it came to guns. He also blew the border deal he was offered and left it as a mess.

    Tucker Carlson talks about that all the time on his show. (Maybe you’re only watching The Five?) You’re forgetting the checkmate should the last come to clause come to pass.

    I don’t watch politics on TV. I find it to be retarded in general.

    So what is Tucker’s plan then for the demographic change? You obviously don’ t have one just like the NRA and seem to think that calling people names and pointing out a win here or there will undermine the liberal plan. The liberals have the better long term strategy. I’m a realist and I don’t think lying about reality will fix it. That has been tried. If cheering Republicans and lying about “gun crime” would work then it would have happened by now. Republicans have had majorities numerous times and not once did they put liberals into retreat. They lose their majority and liberals go right back on the attack. Conservatism is not an aggressive system by default as it rejects using the government in general. Republicans get into office and pat themselves on the back for keeping Democrats out for a few years. US conservatism is a 15-20 year anchor for liberalism. That is all it is.

  103. @Reg Cæsar

    “unconcern troll”

    there is no threat to RKBA thanks to (transitory) court decisions which will live forever, no matter the evolution of the country’s demographics

    Yo bozo, I correctly told pretend Chicken Little that the pro-2A side is winning, not that the legal gains will last forever, or that victory is complete on the issue.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  104. Anonymous[905] • Disclaimer says:

    Why are Mexicans anti-gun? Does Mexico have no tradition of private gun ownership?

  105. BosTex says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Thanks Reg.

    Unclear what SPLC, ADL or whatever would get out of an obscure site that isn’t even right wing (unconventional? unorthodox? Unz has published everyone, I think, even the excruciating, narcolepsy inducing and tendentious Chomsky family).

    We are all over the map. Semites jostling with the Anti-s, cheek by jowl, etc.

    Nevertheless: there are some strange ones on here…HA, Corvinus, Jack Johnson and possibly Jenner, etc.

    Does make you wonder….

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  106. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Yo bozo, I correctly told pretend Chicken Little that the pro-2A side is winning, not that the legal gains will last forever, or that victory is complete on the issue.

    So were the people that predicted Republicans would have a permanent minority status in California because of immigration right or wrong?

    Were they being chicken littles at the time?

    California has a Democrat supermajority which means they can pass all the gun bills they want:
    https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-democrats-supermajority-california-legislature-20181112-story.html

    Do you believe this is only temporary and that Pat Buchanan was wrong about immigration permanently ending Republican opposition in states like California unless they switched to populism?

    See if you can answer those questions using logic and reason.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  107. @BosTex

    Does make you wonder….

    BosTex, since you’re wondering, a bit of background on Reg’s differences with me:

    Among other things, I’m pro-2A, and Reg is a cuck on guns (he’s a religious (Catholic) pacifist; in a rare moment of candor he once seriously cited the cartoon character Pogo’s mopey motto “We have met the enemy and he is us”, from time to time he complains about the WWII atomic bombings of Japan, etc. etc.). One example of his gun cuckery is the thread linked below:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/penn-law-school-dean-demands-professor-amy-wax-be-stripped-of-tenure-for-mentioning-the-existence-of-affirmative-action/#comment-5448539 (#228)

    By way of wishful thinking, he falsely claims above that Whites automatically vote for more restrictive guns laws if there are Blacks in proximity. Totally false, of course, and I easily proved it in the thread above. Being a coward, he simply stopped responding in that thread. Happens a lot, I always beat him in argument. We’ve been going back and forth for years now. He likes punishment. 🙂

    Significantly, Reg is an admitted contrarian, “countering the trends here”. One might call that a troll. He fancies himself the Wisest Centrist, Pogo-sticking above it all:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/asserted-alito-supreme-court-abortion-decision-draft-leaked/#comment-5325486 (#524)

    You and I share the same “Who are you to talk?!” instinct, but I’m wired to use it in both directions. If my Unz.com comments seem easy on Somalis and harsh on Southerners, it is only due to countering the trends here. [e.a.] My conversations with Minneapolitans in meatspace run the opposite way.

    Also, Reg has a fetish for longtime bot-like troll commenter Corvinus. (Search “Corvinus” in Reg’s comment history: pages and pages of mentions.) If Reg has a difference with another commenter, troll or not, he’ll accuse that commenter of being a “sock puppet” of Corvinus, or of being like Corvinus in some vague, undefined way: Reg has a faggy passive-aggressive habit of content-free ‘cutesy’ insinuation. But it does make him fun to dunk on.

    Hope that clears up some things. 🙂

    • Replies: @Kylie
  108. @John Johnson

    California has a Democrat supermajority which means they can pass all the gun bills they want

    Really, so they can just make a new law that says the state won’t recognize Bruen? Wow, the LAPD must be stoked, they can stop processing new CCW applications! Who knew nullification could be so easy?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  109. Kylie says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “Hope that clears up some things.”

    I’ve been posting here since 2009 and I never noticed any of this stuff. (Of course, when I did notice J.Ross, I mistakenly thought he was Heartiste.)

    You guys are harder to keep track of than a soap opera!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Reg Cæsar
  110. Rob McX says:
    @HammerJack

    Remember that midnight basketball thing? How about midnight shooting ranges?

  111. J.Ross says:
    @Anonymous

    Rosa sat on that bus as a staged publicity stunt.
    Mandela sat in that jail because he refused to disavow white children as fair game (for terrorism, not the customary Democrat practice with children).
    Emmet Till never had anything to do with electoral fraud but since you bring it up it is deeply amusing to picture him disrespecting a Cuban woman in a Cuban neighborhood.
    https://giphy.com/gifs/sharkweek-shark-week-sharkweek2021-megajaws-of-bird-island-GhOHU2Zc2wcVmNW6ET

  112. WJ says:
    @John Johnson

    I have a problem with the NRA also obsessing over guns. Harry Reid said a few nice things about guns and the NRA endorsed him. Of course Reid was a pos and even later in his political career endorsed mass amnesty for those poc s that will end up pushing back against the 2 A. A lot of normie conservatives are like “you can do whatever you want but don’t touch muh guns”.

  113. J.Ross says:
    @Anonymous

    Our tradition is the flowering of the English militia tradition, which was originally a reaction to England not having the resources of France or Spain, and having to compensate by becoming the best archers off horseback. Spain’s military prowess descended directly from Rome (like France’s adaptation of the Byzantine system: resource-heavy, favoring wealthy landowners). Mexico had a weak, crude shadow of our tradition (a necessary effect of being a frontier colony), but in the nineteenth century they reasoned their way out of it, and subsequent communist governments made things worse. Watch In Search Of The Second Amendment, free on YouTube. tldr No.

    • Replies: @Alden
  114. J.Ross says:
    @HammerJack

    It has been argued right here that it would save lives because a lot of casualties are bystanders or encounter “spray and pray.”

  115. @Anonymous

    Why are Mexicans anti-gun? Does Mexico have no tradition of private gun ownership?

    We’re told they’re anti-gun for various social and historical reasons.

    As for tradition, the government, the current system of government which was the first successful Communist revolution which resulted in one party rule for a very long time by the Partido Revolucionario Institucional as in the Institutional Revolutionary Party thoroughly suppressed whatever tradition of private gun ownership that might have existed or developed (they only formally lost some power in 2000 at the Presidential level). Everything from the common trick of outlawing cheaper military surplus rounds, one reason .38 Super became a thing, to last time I checked having only one legal gun store in the entire nation.

    Or we might say today’s tradition of private Mexican gun ownership is mostly by criminals, ones organized and sophisticated enough to CNC machine their own AR-15 receivers in one interesting case.

  116. Kylie says:
    @HammerJack

    “Can you imagine what the homicide rate would be if negroes practiced target shooting?!”

    Since most black homicides are black on black crimes, I say we take a proactive approach.

    How about promoting Mexican standoffs? I personally would not want a bunch of high-impulse shooters with poor trigger discipline at the range I use. This way, the participants wouldn’t even have to leave their own ‘hoods.

  117. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Really, so they can just make a new law that says the state won’t recognize Bruen? Wow, the LAPD must be stoked, they can stop processing new CCW applications! Who knew nullification could be so easy?

    No they’ll make a dozen new laws and add arbitrary requirements while using the slow grind of bureaucracy to make the process so onerous to where most interested won’t bother.

    So they’ll successfully use the state to suppress people from exercising their second amendment rights. Which is what they have done since Reagan who started the trend of state based gun control.

    They’ll get on TV and say that “we are following the ruling and issued 20% more permits” without giving us data like percent of application success or how many they issued the year before. You and the NRA will naively take that as a win.

    I know how liberals in government think and especially west coast blue state liberals. They eat naive conservatives like you for lunch.

    • Agree: Alden
  118. @John Johnson

    No they’ll make a dozen new laws and add arbitrary requirements while using the slow grind of bureaucracy to make the process so onerous to where most interested won’t bother.

    Gonna need stats on that, bucko. You sound suicidal. Don’t do it, JJ !

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  119. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    No they’ll make a dozen new laws and add arbitrary requirements while using the slow grind of bureaucracy to make the process so onerous to where most interested won’t bother.

    Gonna need stats on that, bucko.

    Stats on what exactly? The Supreme Court didn’t rule that they have to completely document their process and provide clean data.

    As I said the LA county sheriff was caught handing them out to his donors:
    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-09-15/sheriff-villanueva-donors-concealed-weapons-gun-permits

    The sheriff is a liberal. It’s a myth that all sheriffs are on the side of the 2A.

    He knows who runs California and is not going to embrace a true “shall issue” position. He is generally anti-gun as seen by this statement he made during the lockdown:
    “Buying guns is a bad idea,” he said at the time. “You have a lot of people now who are at home, normally they’re not, cabin fever sets in, you got a crowded environment, weapons are not a good mix.”

    He doesn’t trust people to have guns in their homes. You think he is going to just hand out permits? I guarantee that in a year someone will do another investigation and show that they are dragging their feet and adding unnecessary requirements. Liberals don’t give a flying F about the supreme court and the NY ruling gives them plenty of room to undermine it.

    A true win in California would be making it a shall-issue state at the ballot with very clear requirements. LA County will just play the “good faith” game and then act stupid if anyone accuses them of hampering the process. NY will do the same. Neither LA County nor NYC will become concealed carry areas. The SC ruling gives them too much leniency.

    You sound suicidal. Don’t do it, JJ !

    You seem to incorrectly conflate realistic analysis with depression or cynicism. If anything it shows you are emotionally tied to your positions and assume I must be at an equal level.

    I live quite well and if naive Con Incsters like yourself allow the left to win then I have my own mitigation plans. I primarily support concealed carry for other people and especially in dangeorus areas. I no longer live in the city and could adapt on a personal level to Canadian style laws even though I oppose them. There is no point in me getting emotional over a political loss since I find most White conservatives to be naive or stupid and in no way organized in a form that can actually defeat the left. They couldn’t even stick protecting marriage. PATHETIC.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  120. Alden says:
    @John Johnson

    You’re absolutely right. Liberals are expert in using the laws, the courts and any and all government regulations to achieve any result they wish.

    • Replies: @Curle
  121. Alden says:
    @J.Ross

    Fyi ignoramus. All those wonderful English archers that allegedly won 3 battles but lost the Hundred Years’ War were not working class archer militias. Nor were they part of a national army.

    They were the serfs and other tenants servants and dependents of English Dukes Marquesses Earls Lords Barons knights and Gentry. There were no militias or even village security in England. When your liege, from Duke to gentleman ordered you into service, you went.

    If the liege lord and master rose against the King, he, or she could send their serf tenant servants and other dependents into battle to overthrow the king any time they wished.

    The history of England from William 1 to George 1 is other royalty and nobility trying to overthrow Kings. And sometimes succeeding, sometimes failing. Scotland was even worse.

    The term is private army of the liege lord , not militia.

    Another victim of what Mark Twain called Walter Scott disease. Aka early 19th century Romantic movement. Which didn’t just affect art architecture furniture home decor and fiction. But history to the great detriment of historical truth.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  122. @John Johnson

    As I said the LA county sheriff was caught handing them out to his donors

    That’s well known L.A. tradition. Lee Baca was doing that in the ’90s.

    The sheriff is a liberal. It’s a myth that all sheriffs are on the side of the 2A.

    He’s a bureaucrat who knows which way the wind is blowing. And he knows there’s freedom Bruen in California.

    You think he is going to just hand out permits?

    Well, not for free, but OH YEAH he’s going to be handing them out, big time. LAPD also.

    The trend is not your friend.

    From your linked article (thanks!) :

    The Sheriff’s Department gave out just 20 permits in 2015, 32 the following year and 76 in 2017, according to figures provided by the department.

    Villanueva blew up the status quo by making it easier for people to qualify for permits. The lower standard, he said, was necessary in light of a rise in crime and a push from the left to cut law enforcement budgets in favor of more social services.

    In 2020, Villanueva said he would increase by five times the number of people permitted to arm themselves in public. At that time, just 155 people in the county of 10 million had CCW permits issued by the department. By late May, that number had swelled to more than 2,800 — an eighteenfold increase.

    The spike in permits has been a major point of pride for Villanueva, who regularly uses social media broadcasts to update the public with the latest figures.

    “Right now we’ve issued more CCWs than the rest of the sheriffs in the entire history of the department,” he said in January. “So we’re in a good place.”

    Villanueva was not alone in his approach. The sheriffs of Riverside and Orange counties have taken a similarly permissive approach, together issuing more than 32,000 active permits, according to figures provided by their departments.

    Following a decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in June, the rest of the state will have no choice but to follow suit.

    You reveal:

    I no longer live in the city and could adapt on a personal level to Canadian style laws even though I oppose them.

    Because you’re a submissive cuck. We are not the same. I enjoy having L.A. and NYC being made to bend to Bruen: They may struggle a bit before surrendering, but that makes it even hotter.

    JJ, here’s an emotional distress hotline. Call it, have a chat: 1-800-CCRN-TRL

  123. @Kylie

    I’ve been posting here since 2009 and I never noticed any of this stuff… You guys are harder to keep track of than a soap opera!

    It’s pretty clear that these two are complementary trolls, possibly acting in unison. JJ is using race realism to wedge a crack into support for firearms rights. Not that this isn’t a valid concern– I myself have said that the 2nd and 14th Amendments may be incompatible.

    JIE is sneaker, but his RKBA triumphalism– as would any triumphalism– sticks out like a sore thumb in the Derbish, “I am doomed” iSteve environment.

    Having children late in life gives a man quite an extended outlook. There are fewer years between Plessy and Brown than there are between me and my youngest child. How secure will this Bruen– or Heller or McDonald– decision be when she reaches the age I am now?

    Indeed, the most reasonable point in Brown— that it’s wrong to bus children out their neighborhoods to distant schools for reasons of race– didn’t last long. Within less than 20 years, it had become “It is wrong for you to bus children out their neighborhoods to distant schools for your reasons of race. We reserve the right authority power to bus children out their neighborhoods to distant schools for our reasons of race.”

  124. @Kylie

    JIE’S “We are winning” is merely “We have built a lead in our half of the inning”. Now the other side is up, and have already scored once. Or at least put a (wo)man on base.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  125. J.Ross says:
    @Alden

    Right but they got good because they practiced a lot; there was actually a fine at one point for not practicing. You can practice more often if your stuff is under your bed than if your stuff is in a seizable central armory. Wilhelm Tell was illustrating the same idea of not being able to afford a horse but getting really good at archery instead. Anyway the point is Spain and Mexico could afford horses.

  126. @Reg Cæsar

    I haven’t followed JIE closely enough to parse his exact “we’re winning on the RKBA issue” claims, but we are in fact winning. Prior to Bruen 42 states with Shall Issues or better concealed carry regimes, and in a couple of months we’ll go from 24 to a full half of the states in the nation having Constitutional Carry, no permit required.

    Now with Bruen it appears almost no-issue Maryland and absolutely no-issue Hawaii are surrendering, while I’m not sure where California is state wide except for making it financially ruinous to sue the state and not totally win. New Jersey and New York are going Massive Resistance and for the latter “We have built a lead in our half of the inning” and I’m more with Derbyshire in my long term expectations of the Federal courts. Can’t remember about Massachusetts and I generally don’t bother trying to parse the tiny states of Delaware and Rhode Island.

    There are however numerous court of first instance pro-RKBA decisions all over the country, completely unlike what followed MacDonald. An inability to accept or notice this on top of the multi-decade nationwide sweep of state level pro-gun laws and constitutional amendments which continue to this day, the signal failure of our ruling trash in their cultural and cold civil war with the deplorables, suggests one is not tracking reality.

    • Thanks: Jenner Ickham Errican
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  127. Curle says:
    @New Dealer

    “Silverman sprays spittle on old-school radicals like Jimmy Dore, Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi.”

    I used to scan Rolling Stone back in the day and I remember thinking Taibbi was an sane sounding voice in an otherwise cesspools if nitwits. Greenwald never struck me as an radical either.

  128. Curle says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Many busing opponents fail to grasp the upside of busing Whites to Black schools. I read an report on the topic years ago (‘90s) where it was revealed that several Black academic supporters of busing reversed course upon learning that close proximity of the races through busing dramatically lowered White children’s perceptions of Black competence. In other words, the practice was backfiring with regard to hoped for outcomes; greater White respect for Black capabilities.

  129. Curle says:
    @Alden

    “Liberals are expert in using the laws, the courts and any and all government regulations to achieve any result they wish.”

    They aren’t experts by any measure. They put time, energy and money into winning. And they hire talent not friends.

    Conservatives can’t help acting like Bernie Kosar, hire your sub literate pal from directional state U to take on your biggest challenges. I see this shit every single day.

    BTW – the Kosar reference is to Bernie hiring his dad to ‘manage his money for him’ even though Kosar pater familias hadn’t a clue how to manage money and pissed away most of it.

    https://www.sportscasting.com/bernie-kosar-had-just-44-when-he-went-bankrupt/

  130. AceDeuce says:
    @Curle

    The downside of busing White kids to negro schools was the abuse those kids had to take, as well as the lack of learning they received in those zoos with desks. Boston, Cleveland, Indianapolis, and a schittload of other places had many White kids in the 70s and 80s who dropped out of high school due to the crap the had to deal with. Many got GEDs in the service. I’ve met several.

    And no one in the country gave a crap-or even noticed. Sucks to be them.

    It also hollowed out many American cities, as so many White families fled to the ‘burbs. The pampered pissant White kids over the past 30-40 years had a nice White life in the ‘burbs thanks to “racist” old Grandma and Grandpa, who got TF out of Dodge back in the 60s and 70s.

  131. @Reg Cæsar

    I myself have said that the 2nd and 14th Amendments may be incompatible.

    They’re only incompatible if one is a pacifist pussy unable to fully live, laugh, love in the mutual combat era.

    his RKBA triumphalism– as would any triumphalism– sticks out like a sore thumb in the Derbish, “I am doomed” iSteve environment

    Clumsy metaphor, Reg—wouldn’t the “sore” ones be the wailing, whirling Derbishers? iSteve himself is no doomisher; he reasonably declares “The Future Is Unwritten”. I agree.

    The rest of your comment went nowhere. You could have left it at:

    “I’m old, and I don’t know what’s going to happen in seventy years. Also, I’m a desiccated sad sack: We have met the enemy and he is us. I am doomed.”

  132. @That Would Be Telling

    An inability to accept or notice this on top of the multi-decade nationwide sweep of state level pro-gun laws and constitutional amendments which continue to this day, the signal failure of our ruling trash in their cultural and cold civil war with the deplorables, suggests one is not tracking reality.

    The point isn’t who’s winning– or just enjoying a rally– now. It’s how long this can last. All winning streaks end.

    What happens when the Ketanjis outnumber the Clarences?

  133. @Curle

    …learning that close proximity of the races through busing dramatically lowered White children’s perceptions of Black competence.

    Yeah, but did those kids learn anything else? Such as algebra, geography, grammar?

  134. @Reg Cæsar

    What happens when the Ketanjis outnumber the Clarences?

    “When” is getting way ahead of yourself, “if” is amusing speculation.

    Guess my answer as to what would happen “if” there were 5 or more Ketanjis on the Court going against the BoR.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Reg Cæsar
  135. @Reg Cæsar

    It’s pretty clear that these two are complementary trolls, possibly acting in unison. JJ is using race realism to wedge a crack into support for firearms rights. Not that this isn’t a valid concern– I myself have said that the 2nd and 14th Amendments may be incompatible.

    Trying to crack a wedge? You don’t think it is possible to have a political point of view where you don’t believe your side is effective in the long term and ultimately serves as tolerable opposition?

    I fail to see why the Con Inc/default conservative outlook is so heavily defended.

    Conservatism has merely been a 15-20 year anchor for liberalism. Does anyone deny that? Remember how they claimed they wouldn’t budge on gay marriage? When was the last time they did anything about affirmative action? Con Inc talking head Shawn Hannity is the one who talked a mediocre ex football player with 4 baby mommas into running for the SENATE. That’s supposed to be the upper crust of congress. They complained about Obama being an AA hire and now they are rallying around a football player who openly said he isn’t good at debating…for SENATE.

    In 10 years JIE will tell me to just forget about tranny kid pils and that I’m being negative for pointing out how the NRA hasn’t stopped California’s new deep AI psych test to determine if I can apply for a break open shotgun after paying the $1000 anti-gun violence tax.

    The break open shotgun is still legal there JJ. WE ARE WINNING!!!!!

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  136. @Reg Cæsar

    The point isn’t who’s winning– or just enjoying a rally– now. It’s how long this can last. All winning streaks end.

    On guns, you appear to be covering your eyes to avoid countenancing the legal and legislative rally possibly accelerating—“assault weapons” bans and mag restrictions could be next to go.

    On the increasingly unpoliceable extra-legal (by statute, not 2A) manufacturing front, it’s easier and easier for more and more people to make their own gun parts and their own guns, with functionality and robustness similar to licensed factory-made firearms.

  137. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Guess my answer as to what would happen “if” there were 5 or more Ketanjis on the Court going against the BoR.

    All it would take is a few more 2020s.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  138. @Reg Cæsar

    All it would take is a few more 2020s.

    So, 8080 at the earliest? A lot can happen in that time frame!

    If you mean in the near future (say 20-50 years), you haven’t guessed my answer, but I think you know it: The Court itself would be moot, and likely transmitting from an ‘undisclosed location’…

  139. Polistra says:
    @Anonymous

    Never heard of her, but she has a point about Emmett T.

    Erryone should be googling him Right Now .

    Because no one’s heard of him before.

  140. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    On guns, you appear to be covering your eyes to avoid countenancing the legal and legislative rally possibly accelerating—“assault weapons” bans and mag restrictions could be next to go.

    As long as America is white. How long will that last? As long as Babel? When China-India-Mexico-Araby-Haiti-Jamaicans outnumber whites, why wouldn’t they prefer the laws of China, India, Mexico, Araby, Haiti, and Jamaica?

    To borrow a favorite insult around here, RKBA, and the Bill of Rights in general, is a “boomer” thing. As much as we proclaim it, it is on the wrong side of demography.

    NB: This pyramid is optimistic. Apparently it includes all Hispanics as white. NHW babies are already a minority.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  141. Polistra says:
    @Curle

    Arguable what the “hoped for” outcome actually was.

    Some of the families whose kids were being bused probably did actually hope for some sort of uplift alchemy. But the people behind the policy?

  142. Polistra says: • Website

    Arguable what the “hoped for” outcome actually was.

    Some of the families whose kids were being bused probably did actually hope for some sort of ‘uplift’ alchemy. That old “magic dirt” thing.

    But the people behind the policy? Mostly they were after punishment and wreckage. Ahh, they do sound nice together, do they not?

  143. @Reg Cæsar

    As long as America is white. How long will that last?

    I dunno, but with post-2020 in mind (big breakdown of law and order, encouraged by much of the ‘establishment’), I predict private guns will be increasingly popular with all demographics.

    Another good reason why:

    China-India-Mexico-Araby-Haiti-Jamaicans

    All in one country! Somehow I don’t think there will be a lot of mutual trust going around.

    why wouldn’t they prefer the laws of China, India, Mexico, Araby, Haiti, and Jamaica

    Those relative demographic monoliths will be in their pasts, and the past is a different country: It’s too late to vote the guns away, because the guns are already here (and multiplying) and will come out to play if some would-be crashers seriously try to use government to end the freedom party.

  144. @John Johnson

    The break open shotgun is still legal there JJ. WE ARE WINNING!!!!!

    Don’t jump, JJ, I just wanna talk …

  145. @John Johnson

    I pointed out that hospitals in Black areas have gone bankrupt because of out of control costs related to gunshot wounds. I’d rather not see hospitals shut down because the adults in the room can’t talk about what “gun crime” really means.

    Then you are in the political wilderness extreme minority. Democrat revealed preference shows they love “gun crime”, bankrupt hospitals, “food deserts”, etc. Republicans don’t complain about “gun crime”, because they love pointing out soft-on-criminal Democrat jurisdictional chaos.

    “Gun crime” plus all violent crime in pro-criminal Democrat areas helps make the case for ownership and carry of guns by all private citizens. Democrats have proven (once again) that regular citizens can’t rely on civic government for protection: The Dems don’t want to arrest and imprison violent criminals, guns or no guns.

    You write:

    Go over to Fox News where you can be told that everything is fine and no one will bring up the Hispanic/foreign baby boom and how it will allow Democrats to gain a majority and pass the same type of laws that they do in blue states.

    Then later you write:

    I don’t watch politics on TV. I find it to be retarded in general.

    Oh, so you were trolling when you told me what’s on Fox News. You don’t even know! Sounds like everything write.

    So what is Tucker’s plan then for the demographic change?

    He’s already addressed that:

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