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So, in 2012, Latino voters viewed Democrats as more concerned than Republicans about them by a 61-10 margin. In 2016, despite endless talk in the press about Trump, the gap has narrowed slightly to 54-11.

Do you ever get the impression that the media don’t really understand Hispanics?

 
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  1. Do you ever get the impression that the media don’t really understand Hispanics?

    They don’t seem to understand much about reality, full stop.

    • Replies: @boogerbently
    @another fred

    "In 2016, Latinos View Republicans More Favorably Than in 2012"

    Eventually, SOMEONE has to be smart enough to figure out that importing more immigrants, requiring jobs and tax$$$, means less jobs and tax$$$ available to them.
    I'm still waiting for those intellectually superior Hillary fans to realize that muslims are NOT a benefit to women or the LGBTxyz community.

  2. Survey taken Aug 23 – Sept 21, 2016. There was some outreach to Latino interest groups before the Phoenix immigration speech on Sept 1, which went on to anger said groups.

  3. The graph shows that they view Democrats less favorably and are increasingly indifferent to both parties, not that they view Republicans more favorably. A one-point increase fits well within the poll’s margin of error.

    • Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    If we're seriously going to extrapolate one/two-point increases, then the logical conclusion is that McCain, Romney, and Trump hurt the Republican Party among Hispanics in the 2007-2008, 2011-2012, and 2015-2016 election cycles.

    Replies: @Lurker

  4. More white or white mixes self-identifying as Hispanic for benefits and acceptance?

  5. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    The graph shows that they view Democrats less favorably and are increasingly indifferent to both parties, not that they view Republicans more favorably. A one-point increase fits well within the poll's margin of error.

    Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber

    If we’re seriously going to extrapolate one/two-point increases, then the logical conclusion is that McCain, Romney, and Trump hurt the Republican Party among Hispanics in the 2007-2008, 2011-2012, and 2015-2016 election cycles.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    The real take away message being that the last thing the Republicans need is any more Hispanics and should do what they can to reduce their numbers.

    Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber

  6. OT, Mr. Sailer, but Trump supporters had better pay attention to a potential new smear campaign that stinks of Clinton corruption: That depraved monster, Jeffrey Epstein, is about to release a “tell-all” autobiography and decamp for Costa Rica. The timing is highly suspicious as is the NY Post’s coverage which mentions Donald Trump several times but Clinton not once. This is interesting because Trump had business dealings with Epstein that required him to meet with the creature. But Trump also has a reputation as a man who courts women without outside help. Clinton, on the other hand, was a regular at Epstein’s under-age orgies for no apparent reason except the perversions and has always had a history of seeking the lowest hanging sexual fruit. Defending against the kind of smear I see coming is almost impossible; particularly a month before the election. This all reeks of a Clinton-backed smear driven by some utterly corrupt, under-the-table quid pro quo like the prisoner blood scandal in Arkansas that ultimately infected 10,000 innocent persons with HIV.

    This is not Clinton Hasbara. I have been a committed Trump supporter from the beginning both because I support almost all Trump’s policy positions and because I trust his fundamental civic integrity. He really does love his nation and it’s people and will strive to better the circumstances of both. But Trump is up against a political machine, whose corruption and ruthlessly amoral efficiency is of a type that has seldom before polluted our planet; truly a negotium perambulans in tenebris.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Smear campaigns within the political system is a feature, not a bug, from the Sally Hemings case (Thomas Jefferson) to "Ma, ma, where's my Pa? Gone to the White House, ha, ha, ha?" (Grover Cleveland). Disgusting, assuredly, but nothing new here. Would you as Trump's campaign manager refrain from "digging up past dirt" to win an election?

    "But Trump also has a reputation as a man who courts women without outside help. Clinton, on the other hand, was a regular at Epstein’s under-age orgies for no apparent reason except the perversions and has always had a history of seeking the lowest hanging sexual fruit."

    First, do you have a source regarding Clinton's consumption of young flesh compliments of Epstein? Second, do you honestly believe that Trump among evangelicals is "less scummy" than Clinton because he procured hotties on his own accord while married, compared to Uncle Bill apparently having friends get him some action?

    Replies: @epebble, @res, @Jus' Sayin'...

  7. How does it feel? Knowing that Clinton will win in a landslide and that the United States will be a progressive left wing country FOREVER

    • Troll: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Mark Eugenikos
    @Tiny Duck

    You didn't answer my question from the other day: after Trump's win on 11/8, to which country are you going to move on 11/9? Canada or Mexico? Would either of those even let you in?

    Replies: @Tiny Duck

    , @1stTimeCallerLongTimeListener
    @Tiny Duck

    Just like Russia! Your flock must be thrilled.

    , @FX Enderby
    @Tiny Duck

    You must have been devastated when the Berlin wall fell.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Tiny Duck


    How does it feel? Knowing that Clinton will win in a landslide and that the United States will be a progressive left wing country FOREVER
     
    Well, at least the majority of color will let us go back to beating up homos for fun, unlike the degraded and humorless modern white population. Jamaica, here we come!

    Replies: @Tiny Duck, @syonredux

    , @celt darnell
    @Tiny Duck

    Progressive left wing countries -- as you define "left" and "progressive" don't last long. Nor do they long remain anything resembling a first world, developed and civilised nation.

    The US is better off remaining a genuine, rather than banana, republic.

    But I'm still not persuaded the Americans are ready to commit suicide just yet.

    I suspect you're going to be disappointed, Tiny Dick.

  8. Six Americans won the Nobel prize this year in various sciences. ALL of them immigrants.

    • Replies: @Mark Eugenikos
    @Tiny Duck

    And of those six immigrants, one is a white Swedish guy from Finland, and the other five are white guys from the UK. White guys rule, thank you for noticing.

    , @sf
    @Tiny Duck

    Technically it was three naturalized American citizens (who are no longer legally defined as immigrants) and three immigrants who work in the US but do not identify as American.
    And they all have a European background.

    , @Joe Walker
    @Tiny Duck

    Bet you none of them were black or Hispanic.

  9. @Tiny Duck
    How does it feel? Knowing that Clinton will win in a landslide and that the United States will be a progressive left wing country FOREVER

    Replies: @Mark Eugenikos, @1stTimeCallerLongTimeListener, @FX Enderby, @Reg Cæsar, @celt darnell

    You didn’t answer my question from the other day: after Trump’s win on 11/8, to which country are you going to move on 11/9? Canada or Mexico? Would either of those even let you in?

    • Replies: @Tiny Duck
    @Mark Eugenikos

    Stupid question. Clinton will win.

  10. @Tiny Duck
    Six Americans won the Nobel prize this year in various sciences. ALL of them immigrants.

    Replies: @Mark Eugenikos, @sf, @Joe Walker

    And of those six immigrants, one is a white Swedish guy from Finland, and the other five are white guys from the UK. White guys rule, thank you for noticing.

  11. @Tiny Duck
    How does it feel? Knowing that Clinton will win in a landslide and that the United States will be a progressive left wing country FOREVER

    Replies: @Mark Eugenikos, @1stTimeCallerLongTimeListener, @FX Enderby, @Reg Cæsar, @celt darnell

    Just like Russia! Your flock must be thrilled.

  12. @Jus' Sayin'...
    OT, Mr. Sailer, but Trump supporters had better pay attention to a potential new smear campaign that stinks of Clinton corruption: That depraved monster, Jeffrey Epstein, is about to release a "tell-all" autobiography and decamp for Costa Rica. The timing is highly suspicious as is the NY Post’s coverage which mentions Donald Trump several times but Clinton not once. This is interesting because Trump had business dealings with Epstein that required him to meet with the creature. But Trump also has a reputation as a man who courts women without outside help. Clinton, on the other hand, was a regular at Epstein’s under-age orgies for no apparent reason except the perversions and has always had a history of seeking the lowest hanging sexual fruit. Defending against the kind of smear I see coming is almost impossible; particularly a month before the election. This all reeks of a Clinton-backed smear driven by some utterly corrupt, under-the-table quid pro quo like the prisoner blood scandal in Arkansas that ultimately infected 10,000 innocent persons with HIV.

    This is not Clinton Hasbara. I have been a committed Trump supporter from the beginning both because I support almost all Trump's policy positions and because I trust his fundamental civic integrity. He really does love his nation and it's people and will strive to better the circumstances of both. But Trump is up against a political machine, whose corruption and ruthlessly amoral efficiency is of a type that has seldom before polluted our planet; truly a negotium perambulans in tenebris.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Smear campaigns within the political system is a feature, not a bug, from the Sally Hemings case (Thomas Jefferson) to “Ma, ma, where’s my Pa? Gone to the White House, ha, ha, ha?” (Grover Cleveland). Disgusting, assuredly, but nothing new here. Would you as Trump’s campaign manager refrain from “digging up past dirt” to win an election?

    “But Trump also has a reputation as a man who courts women without outside help. Clinton, on the other hand, was a regular at Epstein’s under-age orgies for no apparent reason except the perversions and has always had a history of seeking the lowest hanging sexual fruit.”

    First, do you have a source regarding Clinton’s consumption of young flesh compliments of Epstein? Second, do you honestly believe that Trump among evangelicals is “less scummy” than Clinton because he procured hotties on his own accord while married, compared to Uncle Bill apparently having friends get him some action?

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Corvinus

    I think he may be referring to https://www.amazon.com/Filthy-Rich-Powerful-Billionaire-Shocking/dp/0316274054

    I was wondering why Trump did not use the "Lolita Express" story to beat up Bill Clinton; now it seems obvious as he too might have been a passenger on that and why stir that hornets nest. But it may come up in the next debate as by then he may conclude all is lost and he can as well destroy Clintons.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @res
    @Corvinus


    do you honestly believe that Trump among evangelicals is “less scummy” than Clinton because he procured hotties on his own accord while married, compared to Uncle Bill apparently having friends get him some action?
     
    You seem to have ignored the under-age aspect. Why? Do you not think that is an important part of the comparison?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Corvinus


    ... "Disgusting, assuredly, but nothing new here. ..."
     
    I disagree. This is the first time in my recollection that a campaign -- the Clintons or their surrogates -- introduced the equivalent of a four-letter word -- p*ssy which most women I know claim to regard as more offensive than other vulgar synonyms -- into a presidential campaign, let alone a presidential debate. That the source for this was a surreptitiously recorded private conversation that was treacherously leaked to an opposing party from purely personal motives -- Trump's interlocutor was a Bush cousin - is another first.

    This campaign has also seen an unprecedented collusion on the part of the MSM, the political establishment in both parties, the social and economic elites, and even the federal government to defeat a candidate who threatens their material and political interests. We have recently learned that there was actually a successful conspiracy to quash Clinton's indictment for crimes against national security. But this is just a continuation of politically motivated illegalities by the Democrat Party that began under our current affirmative action president, e.g., the active use of the IRS to stifle political dissent. I might remind you, Corvinus, that one of the bills of indictment against President Nixon was that he merely inquired if it were possible to use the IRS in that fashion. Clearly we've come a long way since then.

    As for Bill Clinton's use of under-age girls pimped by Jeffrey Epstein with the Hildabeast's full knowledge, I suggest that you - or any interested reader - do an internet search on Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein, underage, and sex. BTW, this will work better if you use another site than Google, e.g., DuckDuckGo.Com, since Google has been detected fudging search results in favor of the Clintons and against Trump. If I am disbelieved on this point I suggest that you and interested readers do another Google search. The more people find these facts out on their own, the more dedicated voters for Trump - or at least voters against the Clintons - there will be.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @AnotherDad

  13. “Do you ever get the impression that the media don’t really understand Hispanics?”

    Mainstream AND alternative media, alike.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/195146/clinton-hispanic-advantage-smaller-among-born-hispanics.aspx?g_source=Election%202016&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles

    Forty-three percent of U.S.-born Hispanics and 44% of national adults view Clinton favorably. Twenty-nine percent of U.S.-born Hispanics view Trump favorably, while his favorability is 34% among national adults. It would appear that this group, assimilated into the body politic, is able to make up their own individual minds regarding which candidate for president in 2016 they support.

    • Replies: @Honorary Thief
    @Corvinus

    It's almost as if Hispanics aren't blacks, and don't behave like blacks.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  14. On Lennonism, here’s Dan Rather’s facebook from Oct 9th:

    Today would have marked John Lennon’s 76th birthday. It’s a reminder of how young we lost him and how much he had left to live and share.

    In these troubled times I choose his vision of inclusion, peace and love.

    “Imagine all the people

    Living life in peace…

    You may say I’m a dreamer

    But I’m not the only one…”

    We miss you John. May your spirit and music live on.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @FX Enderby

    Stuff like that is impossible to parody. People get caught up in elections and there are good reasons for that, but this is a great example of how thoroughly the entertainment industry destroyed our culture.

    , @Njguy73
    @FX Enderby

    "The European Union doesn't need to imagine John Lennon's 'Imagine' because it lives in it...voluntarily secular...post-nationalist pseudo-state...Nothing is a more reliable indicator of a lack of imagination than singing 'Imagine'. We sing the same crappy songs but we do not live in John Lennon's 1970. For example, what has changed since the year Lennon wrote his apparently indestructible talisman?...In 1970, the developed nations had twice as big a share of the global population as the Muslim world: 30 per cent to 15 per cent. By 2000, they were at parity: each had about 20 per cent..."

    - Mark Steyn, "Imagine There's No ...Imagination," November 17, 2015

    http://www.steynonline.com/7298/imagine-there-no-imagination

  15. Paging Mr. Lot:

    Oh my God, Nate $ilver is a friggin’ math wizard….it’s really happening this time:

    Hillary is smashing Trump in the lates NBC/WSJ poll by 11% !!!!

    Right?….Well, p(h)ew on that one:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/10/11/media-polling-fully-exposed-about-that-nbcwsj-clinton-11-point-poll/

    • Replies: @celt darnell
    @bored identity

    OK, this is off topic, but as we all keep referring to polls...

    Does anyone here know why Real Clear Politics is excluding Rasmussen from their presidential poll tallies?

    Although Rasmussen is traditionally seen to be Republican-leaning, in my experience, they're no less accurate than anyone else. Also, Real Clear Politics used to use them and has no problem including Democratic Party polls -- which they identify as such: (D).

    I only ask because every Rasmussen poll I've seen shows a much closer race (between 1-2 percent), so it's an odd omission.

    Replies: @candid_observer

  16. @Tiny Duck
    How does it feel? Knowing that Clinton will win in a landslide and that the United States will be a progressive left wing country FOREVER

    Replies: @Mark Eugenikos, @1stTimeCallerLongTimeListener, @FX Enderby, @Reg Cæsar, @celt darnell

    You must have been devastated when the Berlin wall fell.

  17. @Corvinus
    "Do you ever get the impression that the media don’t really understand Hispanics?"

    Mainstream AND alternative media, alike.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/195146/clinton-hispanic-advantage-smaller-among-born-hispanics.aspx?g_source=Election%202016&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles

    Forty-three percent of U.S.-born Hispanics and 44% of national adults view Clinton favorably. Twenty-nine percent of U.S.-born Hispanics view Trump favorably, while his favorability is 34% among national adults. It would appear that this group, assimilated into the body politic, is able to make up their own individual minds regarding which candidate for president in 2016 they support.

    Replies: @Honorary Thief

    It’s almost as if Hispanics aren’t blacks, and don’t behave like blacks.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Honorary Thief

    "It’s almost as if Hispanics aren’t blacks, and don’t behave like blacks"

    Do Hispanics behave like East Asians? What's the Latin American nation murder rates compared to the Oriental nations?

    Also Hispanics can be of any race, so there are Hispanics who are Black as well. Univision for example has a Black Colombian female journalist named Illia Calderon.
    https://www.google.com.br/search?q=ilia+calderon&prmd=ivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjkoObqztPPAhXCgZAKHQMCDT4Q_AUIBygB&biw=360&bih=560#tbm=isch&q=Illia+Calderon&imgrc=ReoNnMCqSQ3A0M%3A

  18. Does the Left really not pay attention to the fact that Central American Hispanics really like strong, aggressive male leaders with light skin, cocky style, and really, really hot wives?

  19. @Corvinus
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Smear campaigns within the political system is a feature, not a bug, from the Sally Hemings case (Thomas Jefferson) to "Ma, ma, where's my Pa? Gone to the White House, ha, ha, ha?" (Grover Cleveland). Disgusting, assuredly, but nothing new here. Would you as Trump's campaign manager refrain from "digging up past dirt" to win an election?

    "But Trump also has a reputation as a man who courts women without outside help. Clinton, on the other hand, was a regular at Epstein’s under-age orgies for no apparent reason except the perversions and has always had a history of seeking the lowest hanging sexual fruit."

    First, do you have a source regarding Clinton's consumption of young flesh compliments of Epstein? Second, do you honestly believe that Trump among evangelicals is "less scummy" than Clinton because he procured hotties on his own accord while married, compared to Uncle Bill apparently having friends get him some action?

    Replies: @epebble, @res, @Jus' Sayin'...

    I think he may be referring to https://www.amazon.com/Filthy-Rich-Powerful-Billionaire-Shocking/dp/0316274054

    I was wondering why Trump did not use the “Lolita Express” story to beat up Bill Clinton; now it seems obvious as he too might have been a passenger on that and why stir that hornets nest. But it may come up in the next debate as by then he may conclude all is lost and he can as well destroy Clintons.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @epebble

    "But it may come up in the next debate as by then he may conclude all is lost and he can as well destroy Clintons."

    There is NOTHING to destroy. Most people are painfully aware of their flaws. Those who support them DO NOT CARE. Same with Trump's supporters. They know of his character issues. They also DO NOT CARE.

  20. @Corvinus
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Smear campaigns within the political system is a feature, not a bug, from the Sally Hemings case (Thomas Jefferson) to "Ma, ma, where's my Pa? Gone to the White House, ha, ha, ha?" (Grover Cleveland). Disgusting, assuredly, but nothing new here. Would you as Trump's campaign manager refrain from "digging up past dirt" to win an election?

    "But Trump also has a reputation as a man who courts women without outside help. Clinton, on the other hand, was a regular at Epstein’s under-age orgies for no apparent reason except the perversions and has always had a history of seeking the lowest hanging sexual fruit."

    First, do you have a source regarding Clinton's consumption of young flesh compliments of Epstein? Second, do you honestly believe that Trump among evangelicals is "less scummy" than Clinton because he procured hotties on his own accord while married, compared to Uncle Bill apparently having friends get him some action?

    Replies: @epebble, @res, @Jus' Sayin'...

    do you honestly believe that Trump among evangelicals is “less scummy” than Clinton because he procured hotties on his own accord while married, compared to Uncle Bill apparently having friends get him some action?

    You seem to have ignored the under-age aspect. Why? Do you not think that is an important part of the comparison?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @res

    "You seem to have ignored the under-age aspect. Why?"

    I have asked for a source regarding Clinton’s consumption of young flesh compliments of Epstein, so it hasn't been ignored.

    Replies: @res

  21. @Mark Eugenikos
    @Tiny Duck

    You didn't answer my question from the other day: after Trump's win on 11/8, to which country are you going to move on 11/9? Canada or Mexico? Would either of those even let you in?

    Replies: @Tiny Duck

    Stupid question. Clinton will win.

  22. @Tiny Duck
    How does it feel? Knowing that Clinton will win in a landslide and that the United States will be a progressive left wing country FOREVER

    Replies: @Mark Eugenikos, @1stTimeCallerLongTimeListener, @FX Enderby, @Reg Cæsar, @celt darnell

    How does it feel? Knowing that Clinton will win in a landslide and that the United States will be a progressive left wing country FOREVER

    Well, at least the majority of color will let us go back to beating up homos for fun, unlike the degraded and humorless modern white population. Jamaica, here we come!

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Tiny Duck
    @Reg Cæsar

    People of a Color are more accepting of homosexuals than are whites.

    Replies: @ATate, @Reg Cæsar

    , @syonredux
    @Reg Cæsar


    Well, at least the majority of color will let us go back to beating up homos for fun, unlike the degraded and humorless modern white population. Jamaica, here we come!
     
    Given pro-Homo trends in Latin America, probably not.....

    In Mexico, only civil marriages are recognized by law, and all its proceedings fall under state legislation.[1] Same-sex marriage is performed without restriction in Mexico City and in the states of Campeche, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Colima, Jalisco, Michoacán, Morelos, Nayarit and Quintana Roo, as well as in certain municipalities in Guerrero, Querétaro and Puebla. Legislation to change the laws covering same-sex marriage is currently pending in several states. In addition, courts in all states must approve marriage licenses for same-sex couples when petitioned to do so; so far, individual cases of same-sex marriage have occurred in every state. Same-sex civil unions are legally performed in Mexico City and in the states of Campeche,[2] Coahuila, Jalisco,[3] and Michoacán.[4] Civil unions were previously legal in Colima from 2013 to 2016. Since August 2010, same-sex marriages performed within Mexico are recognized by the 31 states without exception, and fundamental spousal rights (such as alimony payments, inheritance rights, and the coverage of spouses by the federal social security system) also apply to same-sex couples across the country.[
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Mexico
  23. Even cheap labor understands that there is even cheaper labor out there.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Reg Cæsar

    I worked for a while for a company making industrial electrical equipment in Rep. Loretta Sanchez's district. Except for the test engineers, the entire factory workforce was Mexican, and I don't mean Latino, including Central Americans. Any new job openings were passed on by the existing workers to people of Mexican origin and preferably from the same state or home-town as them. The plant used e-verify so all the workers were citizens or green card holders. Even without illegals being eligible, and California minimum wage propping up the hourly rates these fairly skilled workers didn't make that much and relied on as much overtime as possible to pay for their yanqui lifestyles. (Suburbans with 20" wheels and Lakers flags, X-box and smart phones for all the kids, big house with big screen TVs etc.). Cheaper labor was anathema to these guys.
    Loretta is now running for the Senate as the sacrificial lamb who will lose in the general to fellow Democrat and contender for 2014 successor to Hillary, Kamala Harris. (California has open primaries and the top finishers in the primary were all Democrats) A couple of years ago Loretta toured the factory and gathered all the workers for a pep-talk. Through an interpreter she give a rousing speech about how she was going to work with Obama to get amnesty, open borders, and green cards for all the Central Americans pouring across the border at that time. Representative Dim-bulb (CA) seemed to expect the Aztecs to be huzzahing and tossing their caps in the air instead of standing there in stony silence with their arms crossed. Never occurred to her that the last thing these guys wanted was to be suddenly competing on the job market with a couple million 5'2" Mixtecs who would be happy to work for even less.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

  24. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    If we're seriously going to extrapolate one/two-point increases, then the logical conclusion is that McCain, Romney, and Trump hurt the Republican Party among Hispanics in the 2007-2008, 2011-2012, and 2015-2016 election cycles.

    Replies: @Lurker

    The real take away message being that the last thing the Republicans need is any more Hispanics and should do what they can to reduce their numbers.

    • Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber
    @Lurker

    As I understand it, Establishment Republicans are hoping they can achieve electoral parity among Hispanics by doubling down on fusionism/movement conservatism to drawn in Católicos. Pseudo-libertarians promoting "socially liberal and fiscally conservative" dogma have been successfully seduced by Democrats over the last few decades, along with the broader technocratic clique, so winning the presidency through nationalist-populist rhetoric is becoming increasingly implausible, at least for Republicans.

  25. @Tiny Duck
    Six Americans won the Nobel prize this year in various sciences. ALL of them immigrants.

    Replies: @Mark Eugenikos, @sf, @Joe Walker

    Technically it was three naturalized American citizens (who are no longer legally defined as immigrants) and three immigrants who work in the US but do not identify as American.
    And they all have a European background.

  26. @FX Enderby
    On Lennonism, here's Dan Rather's facebook from Oct 9th:

    Today would have marked John Lennon's 76th birthday. It's a reminder of how young we lost him and how much he had left to live and share.

    In these troubled times I choose his vision of inclusion, peace and love.

    "Imagine all the people

    Living life in peace...

    You may say I’m a dreamer

    But I’m not the only one..."

    We miss you John. May your spirit and music live on.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Njguy73

    Stuff like that is impossible to parody. People get caught up in elections and there are good reasons for that, but this is a great example of how thoroughly the entertainment industry destroyed our culture.

  27. I get the feeling the media, and their masters, know very little about Americans. I watch TV and wonder what world it is they claim to be discussing. I turned on Fox News last night to see a panel of unfamiliar faces saying Clinton clobbered Trump in the debate. Even my liberal friends said he had a great night and kicked her butt.

    The gap between the Cloud People and the Dirt People is so great now that we may as well be separate species.

  28. The establishment east coast media clearly knows nothing at least about the Mexicans\Central Americans who actually dominate the “Hispanic” numbers. Hispanics don’t even have any “mind share” with these folks. When the Jews at Slate did their “When will we have the first type-X president?” a few years back, they covered all sorts of categories–first woman, Jew, Indian, East Asian, homo, even muslim! and didn’t even have a “Hispanic”. Hispanics are invisible to them–sort of the point actually, “diversity” that changes their kids’ diapers. They make the nation less white gentile–ergo more easily controlled–but are otherwise “filler”.

    ~~

    However, what the poll continues to show is not any significant change, but merely the obvious: Hispanics are natural Democrats. They work–do a hell of a lot more real productive labor than blacks–but are *net tax eaters*. So the party offering “more stuff for free” is their natural home.

    But of course a program of importing a net-tax-eating class is–for any nation–insane. It’s simply the big state party, cannibalizing the nation for its interest in power.

    ~~

    This is broadly the fundamental defect of modern democracy. Once the franchise spirals out beyond the preserve of the productive responsible self-reliant men who sustain the nation materially and pay its taxes–to women, kids, welfare cases, heck now they are pushing for felons!–then inevitably the rent-seekers cobble together a “parasite party”–the rent-seekers high, the tax-eaters low–and bloat up the super-state.

    I think this reality has become clear enough that eventually there would be a revolution in some polity–revolution required as the big state will fight tooth and nail–and republican rule of the productive and self-reliant could be installed both ideologically and explicitly and you’d have a much, *much* better society and government. But we’re such a long way from this happening in the West, that i pretty much expect whatever the Chinese do to avoid going the way of the West will be the surviving paradigm, or we’ll get to genetic manipulation which will radically change the equation by radically changing human capital.

    • Agree: Abe
    • Replies: @Abe
    @AnotherDad


    This is broadly the fundamental defect of modern democracy. Once the franchise spirals out beyond the preserve of the productive responsible self-reliant men who sustain the nation materially and pay its taxes–to women, kids, welfare cases, heck now they are pushing for felons!–then inevitably the rent-seekers cobble together a “parasite party”–the rent-seekers high, the tax-eaters low–and bloat up the super-state.

    I pretty much expect whatever the Chinese do to avoid going the way of the West will be the surviving paradigm, or we’ll get to genetic manipulation which will radically change the equation by radically changing human capital.
     
    As an aside, my friends and family members seem to be a lot les upper crust than the typical UNZ reader, so at the grass roots I already see a lot of intermarriage between Hispanics and working class whites, but given the extremism of the open borders crowd, this somewhat benign development may be wiped out by the tidal wave of migrants who come from south of Mexico. Get used to ransom notes with finger/fingernail prizes in them as the new normal, folks!

    But, yes, the ancient philosophers were none too keen on the sort of mobocracy we're set to become. An interesting tidbit I learned from V. David Hanson's book on the Peloponnesian War was that it was the low classes who kept pushing Athens to fight to its utter ruin as the 10,000's of jobs available as rowers in the navy was good, steady income. Throughout the rest of classical Greek history it was a never-ending cycle of oligarchy followed by democratic revolution (mostly to erase all debts) followed by tyranny, and then back to oligarchy.

    Our system has worked not because of a magic piece of paper called the Constitution, but because of our culture and ethnic stock and the values of honesty, cooperation, and self-reliance/self-respect instilled in most people. Chinese model is NOT a great one. It leads to corruption by a group of elite insiders (read some of the Derb's writings and how the rare honest bureaucrat is a recurring cultural hero for the Chinese), which leads to rebellion, which leads to staggering casualties as a result of famine, war, and disease. If genetic engineering for higher intelligence and honor can save us in time, maybe this whole period will be looked back on as a growing pain stage towards our destiny exploring the stars, but I'm not gonna bet on it.

    Replies: @Opinionator

  29. Left-wing country = Venezuela. How can leftists not know how stupid their ideology is?

  30. Second, do you honestly believe that Trump among evangelicals is “less scummy” than Clinton because he procured hotties on his own accord while married, compared to Uncle Bill apparently having friends get him some action, while married?

    (FIFY)

    Yes. What are you, a moron?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Svigor

    You didn't fix anything, Svigor.

    So, from your perspective, evangelicals in general care not about the Bible says about fornication outside of marriage. Perhaps that is the atheist side in you.

  31. @Corvinus
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Smear campaigns within the political system is a feature, not a bug, from the Sally Hemings case (Thomas Jefferson) to "Ma, ma, where's my Pa? Gone to the White House, ha, ha, ha?" (Grover Cleveland). Disgusting, assuredly, but nothing new here. Would you as Trump's campaign manager refrain from "digging up past dirt" to win an election?

    "But Trump also has a reputation as a man who courts women without outside help. Clinton, on the other hand, was a regular at Epstein’s under-age orgies for no apparent reason except the perversions and has always had a history of seeking the lowest hanging sexual fruit."

    First, do you have a source regarding Clinton's consumption of young flesh compliments of Epstein? Second, do you honestly believe that Trump among evangelicals is "less scummy" than Clinton because he procured hotties on his own accord while married, compared to Uncle Bill apparently having friends get him some action?

    Replies: @epebble, @res, @Jus' Sayin'...

    … “Disgusting, assuredly, but nothing new here. …”

    I disagree. This is the first time in my recollection that a campaign — the Clintons or their surrogates — introduced the equivalent of a four-letter word — p*ssy which most women I know claim to regard as more offensive than other vulgar synonyms — into a presidential campaign, let alone a presidential debate. That the source for this was a surreptitiously recorded private conversation that was treacherously leaked to an opposing party from purely personal motives — Trump’s interlocutor was a Bush cousin – is another first.

    This campaign has also seen an unprecedented collusion on the part of the MSM, the political establishment in both parties, the social and economic elites, and even the federal government to defeat a candidate who threatens their material and political interests. We have recently learned that there was actually a successful conspiracy to quash Clinton’s indictment for crimes against national security. But this is just a continuation of politically motivated illegalities by the Democrat Party that began under our current affirmative action president, e.g., the active use of the IRS to stifle political dissent. I might remind you, Corvinus, that one of the bills of indictment against President Nixon was that he merely inquired if it were possible to use the IRS in that fashion. Clearly we’ve come a long way since then.

    As for Bill Clinton’s use of under-age girls pimped by Jeffrey Epstein with the Hildabeast’s full knowledge, I suggest that you – or any interested reader – do an internet search on Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein, underage, and sex. BTW, this will work better if you use another site than Google, e.g., DuckDuckGo.Com, since Google has been detected fudging search results in favor of the Clintons and against Trump. If I am disbelieved on this point I suggest that you and interested readers do another Google search. The more people find these facts out on their own, the more dedicated voters for Trump – or at least voters against the Clintons – there will be.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    "As for Bill Clinton’s use of under-age girls pimped by Jeffrey Epstein with the Hildabeast’s full knowledge, I suggest that you – or any interested reader – do an internet search on Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein, underage, and sex."

    Apparently Donald Trump was also involved in his trysts, assuming these lurid stories are true. Do you seek to defend him? The accusations may or may not be true. Is there not a political motivation on the part of anti-Clintonites to make false claims? Again, it is completely within the realm of possibility, even likely, that Bill Clinton did such heinous things. What about "the Donald"?

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html

    From the source--"And just last week, yet another “Jane Doe” filed a suit in New York accusing Epstein and Donald Trump of raping her at a series of sex parties when she was only 13."

    "I disagree. This is the first time in my recollection that a campaign — the Clintons or their surrogates — introduced the equivalent of a four-letter word — p*ssy which most women I know claim to regard as more offensive than other vulgar synonyms — into a presidential campaign, let alone a presidential debate."

    There is an even more vulgar word that women disdain. Four letter word. Begins with a "c". Moreover, OMG, I mean, those Clintons, how terrible they go all gutter. Listen, the gloves come off during campaigns. Stop feigning outrage.

    "That the source for this was a surreptitiously recorded private conversation that was treacherously leaked to an opposing party from purely personal motives — Trump’s interlocutor was a Bush cousin – is another first."

    Paging any reporter from Breitbart. Again, stop feigning outrage.

    "This campaign has also seen an unprecedented collusion on the part of the MSM, the political establishment in both parties, the social and economic elites, and even the federal government to defeat a candidate who threatens their material and political interests."

    Yes. So what, we don't care. That's the mantra of the Coalition of the Left and Right Fringe groups. What, you think the "alternative media" is a bunch of choir boys and girls in this sordid political affair?

    "We have recently learned that there was actually a successful conspiracy to quash Clinton’s indictment for crimes against national security. But this is just a continuation of politically motivated illegalities by the Democrat Party that began under our current affirmative action president, e.g., the active use of the IRS to stifle political dissent."

    Corrected for accuracy --> A continuation of politically motivated illegalities by "elites", both right and left.

    "I might remind you, Corvinus, that one of the bills of indictment against President Nixon was that he merely inquired if it were possible to use the IRS in that fashion. Clearly we’ve come a long way since then."

    Absolutely. Both political parties fight equally dirty.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jus' Sayin'...


    "I disagree. This is the first time in my recollection that a campaign — the Clintons or their surrogates — introduced the equivalent of a four-letter word — p*ssy which most women I know claim to regard as more offensive than other vulgar synonyms ..."
     
    Huh, what's wrong with kitty cats?

    No seriously, "pussy" is the most vulgar word for the female anatomy? C'mon. It's the common vulgar. Just guessing, but i'd bet that for folks (male and female) who like to "go auditory" in sex play, it's the word most often used for that part of the female anatomy--it connotes soft, warm and fun! There's a different word which i've never said to a woman which is clearly more vulgar by the American standards i'm familiar with.

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...

  32. @Reg Cæsar
    @Tiny Duck


    How does it feel? Knowing that Clinton will win in a landslide and that the United States will be a progressive left wing country FOREVER
     
    Well, at least the majority of color will let us go back to beating up homos for fun, unlike the degraded and humorless modern white population. Jamaica, here we come!

    Replies: @Tiny Duck, @syonredux

    People of a Color are more accepting of homosexuals than are whites.

    • LOL: L Woods
    • Replies: @ATate
    @Tiny Duck

    That would certainly explain their being the largest voting demographic to vote against gay marriage in California on Prop 8. They voted to eliminate gay marriage in California at a higher rate than self identified Christians.

    Good lord, you're a hoot!

    Listen to some rap music too while your at it.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Tiny Duck


    People of a Color are more accepting of homosexuals than are whites.
     
    Sure... if they're paid to. Like Malcolm X.
  33. @Lurker
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    The real take away message being that the last thing the Republicans need is any more Hispanics and should do what they can to reduce their numbers.

    Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber

    As I understand it, Establishment Republicans are hoping they can achieve electoral parity among Hispanics by doubling down on fusionism/movement conservatism to drawn in Católicos. Pseudo-libertarians promoting “socially liberal and fiscally conservative” dogma have been successfully seduced by Democrats over the last few decades, along with the broader technocratic clique, so winning the presidency through nationalist-populist rhetoric is becoming increasingly implausible, at least for Republicans.

  34. EU’s politics is not based on the America First principles
    Russia’s politics is not based on the America First principles
    China’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    India’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Saudi Arabia’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Indonesia’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Australia’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    South Africa’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Israel’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Japan’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Egypt‎’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Philippines’ politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Pakistan’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Iran’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Malaysia’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    New Zealand’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Canada politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Nigeria’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Brazil’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    South Korea’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Iraq’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Mexico’s politics is not based on the America First principles…

    So why Trump has to be such an extremist and nationastically advocate for something that any other nation in The World doesn’t give a squat?

    I mean, Americans in 21. century can live,trade, marry, etc with the other people from all around the world. What else do you need?

    Founding Fathers would definitely forfeit on their little splendid war, if they knew how Trump believes that Americans deserve some exclusive teritorial entity only for themselves.

    WHY DOES TRUMP GO AGAINST THE WORLD ?

    https://s22.postimg.org/jv7b6hzu9/THE_WORLD_RIGHT.jpg

  35. This goes to show that the Latinos are smarter than Blacks. We know Hispanics who are principles in the “Dreamer” movement. Yes, they are on the fence … because, they know Hillary is a liar. It is a question of trust, and they do not trust Hillary. (Hillary and company act on whatever “triangulates” for their benefit, not the electorate.)

    Blacks, on the other hand, continue to blindly support the Democratic Party, oblivious to the fact that it was Bill Clinton (with Hillary’s support) that pulled the rug out from under them in welfare reform, the “war on drugs” that dramatically increased the incarceration of Black males, and outsourced Black jobs to foreign countries through NAFTA.

    The Clintons single handedly worked to create the conditions of poverty and lawlessness in the Black ghettos we know today as well as the mass immigrations to the United States and Europe due NAFTA and Hillary’s policies on Libya and Syria as Secretary of State. What vipers!

  36. One of the important things about the WikiLeaks revelations is to see the media in such obvious collusion with the Clinton campaign.

    You’ve got to wonder how much this might be rattling Hillary’s media supporters exactly when further collusion is so important.

    Do they really want to be caught out in their collaboration? How can they be sure that their email now isn’t being hacked?

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @candid_observer

    One wonders how this election season and its revelations are going to be taught in "journalism" "schools".

    I'm sure hacks like Tom Edsall will find some grand, edifying language to describe the lying and collusion of his colleagues.

    Trump will have to be made out to be a worse Hitler than ever before, and the Deplorables a more Nazi contingent than ever before, to justify the manipulation and dishonesty of Edsall's proudly lying press.

  37. Has anyone ever seen Corvinus and Boetthius(?) on the same thread?

    • LOL: Jack Hanson
  38. @AnotherDad
    The establishment east coast media clearly knows nothing at least about the Mexicans\Central Americans who actually dominate the "Hispanic" numbers. Hispanics don't even have any "mind share" with these folks. When the Jews at Slate did their "When will we have the first type-X president?" a few years back, they covered all sorts of categories--first woman, Jew, Indian, East Asian, homo, even muslim! and didn't even have a "Hispanic". Hispanics are invisible to them--sort of the point actually, "diversity" that changes their kids' diapers. They make the nation less white gentile--ergo more easily controlled--but are otherwise "filler".

    ~~

    However, what the poll continues to show is not any significant change, but merely the obvious: Hispanics are natural Democrats. They work--do a hell of a lot more real productive labor than blacks--but are *net tax eaters*. So the party offering "more stuff for free" is their natural home.

    But of course a program of importing a net-tax-eating class is--for any nation--insane. It's simply the big state party, cannibalizing the nation for its interest in power.

    ~~

    This is broadly the fundamental defect of modern democracy. Once the franchise spirals out beyond the preserve of the productive responsible self-reliant men who sustain the nation materially and pay its taxes--to women, kids, welfare cases, heck now they are pushing for felons!--then inevitably the rent-seekers cobble together a "parasite party"--the rent-seekers high, the tax-eaters low--and bloat up the super-state.

    I think this reality has become clear enough that eventually there would be a revolution in some polity--revolution required as the big state will fight tooth and nail--and republican rule of the productive and self-reliant could be installed both ideologically and explicitly and you'd have a much, *much* better society and government. But we're such a long way from this happening in the West, that i pretty much expect whatever the Chinese do to avoid going the way of the West will be the surviving paradigm, or we'll get to genetic manipulation which will radically change the equation by radically changing human capital.

    Replies: @Abe

    This is broadly the fundamental defect of modern democracy. Once the franchise spirals out beyond the preserve of the productive responsible self-reliant men who sustain the nation materially and pay its taxes–to women, kids, welfare cases, heck now they are pushing for felons!–then inevitably the rent-seekers cobble together a “parasite party”–the rent-seekers high, the tax-eaters low–and bloat up the super-state.

    I pretty much expect whatever the Chinese do to avoid going the way of the West will be the surviving paradigm, or we’ll get to genetic manipulation which will radically change the equation by radically changing human capital.

    As an aside, my friends and family members seem to be a lot les upper crust than the typical UNZ reader, so at the grass roots I already see a lot of intermarriage between Hispanics and working class whites, but given the extremism of the open borders crowd, this somewhat benign development may be wiped out by the tidal wave of migrants who come from south of Mexico. Get used to ransom notes with finger/fingernail prizes in them as the new normal, folks!

    But, yes, the ancient philosophers were none too keen on the sort of mobocracy we’re set to become. An interesting tidbit I learned from V. David Hanson’s book on the Peloponnesian War was that it was the low classes who kept pushing Athens to fight to its utter ruin as the 10,000’s of jobs available as rowers in the navy was good, steady income. Throughout the rest of classical Greek history it was a never-ending cycle of oligarchy followed by democratic revolution (mostly to erase all debts) followed by tyranny, and then back to oligarchy.

    Our system has worked not because of a magic piece of paper called the Constitution, but because of our culture and ethnic stock and the values of honesty, cooperation, and self-reliance/self-respect instilled in most people. Chinese model is NOT a great one. It leads to corruption by a group of elite insiders (read some of the Derb’s writings and how the rare honest bureaucrat is a recurring cultural hero for the Chinese), which leads to rebellion, which leads to staggering casualties as a result of famine, war, and disease. If genetic engineering for higher intelligence and honor can save us in time, maybe this whole period will be looked back on as a growing pain stage towards our destiny exploring the stars, but I’m not gonna bet on it.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Abe

    Our system has worked not because of a magic piece of paper called the Constitution, but because of our culture and ethnic stock and the values of honesty, cooperation, and self-reliance/self-respect instilled in most people.

    Instilled in or, rather, residing in our people?

  39. Now that Haim Saban’s influence on hillary is proven by wikileaks, maybe Steve can dredge up some of his old posts on him.

    Seeing as how he got rich off of what he described as “five retards in spandex,” I would bet he has said similar things about Latinos, who are just one more tool to power and influence for him.

  40. OT

    Interesting piece on South Africa, where the Finance Minister has just been charged with fraud and theft. The author is a former ANC activist of Indian subcontinental descent, as is the Finance Minister. The charges (basically giving some people better pensions/salaries than those to which they were entitled – something David Cameron did in the UK when he resigned as Prime Minister) may even be true (or not).

    https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/the-tax-man/

    “In 1999 when Gordhan was appointed to head the Revenue Service, I had the chance to ask him why he thought moral change was possible in a country in which rates of sexual assault, for example, are two or three hundred times higher than in India or China. “Tax morality,” he replied, “can be changed separately,” and cited countries with high levels of lawbreaking that had nonetheless transformed their cultures of tax avoidance and evasion. In the short run Pravin Gordhan was right. In the long run, however, his optimism that human nature can be improved strand by strand, that communities can be improved by oversight and public regulation, is being tested in South Africa in 2016 as never before.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    @Anonymous Nephew

    I should clarify - Cameron handed out augmented severance payments to his staff after he resigned, more than was specified in their contracts. A very generous gesture, except that he wasn't paying for it, the taxpayer was.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/15/cameron-gave-aides-extra-severance-pay-against-official-advice

  41. Remember when Steve said Trump would get a lot of Hispanic support because they like boisterous and macho politicians?

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Anonymous

    No, remind us.

    Some here did say that Trump might do better than expected among Hispanic voters.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous


    Remember when Steve said Trump would get a lot of Hispanic support because they like boisterous and macho politicians?
     
    Anon, these are party numbers. And Steve never said Trump would get any sort of Hispanic majority--Steve spent some effort debunking the whole "Bush got 40% nonsense. Steve just pointed out that Trump's brash persona is the sort of type Latinos can relate too.

    Trump won't do as well as Bush. The media is all in to smear him and has tried to paint Trump as "hates Latinos!". In truth, the people most negatively affected by illegal immigration--as Ceasar Chavez would point out--are American Latinos (not the ethnic activists but ordinary folks), simply because their skills sets and geography are closest so they end up in the same labor markets competing against each other. But Trump can't expect the media to point that out! Trump has to point that out. And so far--at least in the debates--he's done a crappy job on the "one nation", "jobs" and "income inequality" stuff. You can't tell from the debates what his main disagreement with Hillary is and why the establishment has gone full Hitler on him.

    Even so Trump won't see black-like Hispanic skew against him.
  42. Do you ever get the impression that the media don’t really understand Hispanics?

    Well, they do understand some Hispanics: La Raza activists, Latinx ethnic hustlers, M.E.Ch.A.-istas, etc

  43. What’s more interesting is that until 2010, a good number of Latinos (35-40% range) didn’t think one party was any more or less concerned than the other. That in and of itself is counter-evidence to the GOP consensus.

  44. @candid_observer
    One of the important things about the WikiLeaks revelations is to see the media in such obvious collusion with the Clinton campaign.

    You've got to wonder how much this might be rattling Hillary's media supporters exactly when further collusion is so important.

    Do they really want to be caught out in their collaboration? How can they be sure that their email now isn't being hacked?

    Replies: @candid_observer

    One wonders how this election season and its revelations are going to be taught in “journalism” “schools”.

    I’m sure hacks like Tom Edsall will find some grand, edifying language to describe the lying and collusion of his colleagues.

    Trump will have to be made out to be a worse Hitler than ever before, and the Deplorables a more Nazi contingent than ever before, to justify the manipulation and dishonesty of Edsall’s proudly lying press.

  45. The drop in support is 110% attributable to that screeching, frail old harpy running for president on the Democratic side and begrudging admiration for Big Man Trump on the Repub side. But in the end, mexicants will vote Democrat for the gibs, though with little zeal and in smaller numbers than for Barry Sotero.

  46. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT

    Interesting piece on South Africa, where the Finance Minister has just been charged with fraud and theft. The author is a former ANC activist of Indian subcontinental descent, as is the Finance Minister. The charges (basically giving some people better pensions/salaries than those to which they were entitled - something David Cameron did in the UK when he resigned as Prime Minister) may even be true (or not).

    https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/the-tax-man/


    "In 1999 when Gordhan was appointed to head the Revenue Service, I had the chance to ask him why he thought moral change was possible in a country in which rates of sexual assault, for example, are two or three hundred times higher than in India or China. “Tax morality,” he replied, “can be changed separately,” and cited countries with high levels of lawbreaking that had nonetheless transformed their cultures of tax avoidance and evasion. In the short run Pravin Gordhan was right. In the long run, however, his optimism that human nature can be improved strand by strand, that communities can be improved by oversight and public regulation, is being tested in South Africa in 2016 as never before."
     

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew

    I should clarify – Cameron handed out augmented severance payments to his staff after he resigned, more than was specified in their contracts. A very generous gesture, except that he wasn’t paying for it, the taxpayer was.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/15/cameron-gave-aides-extra-severance-pay-against-official-advice

  47. @Honorary Thief
    @Corvinus

    It's almost as if Hispanics aren't blacks, and don't behave like blacks.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “It’s almost as if Hispanics aren’t blacks, and don’t behave like blacks”

    Do Hispanics behave like East Asians? What’s the Latin American nation murder rates compared to the Oriental nations?

    Also Hispanics can be of any race, so there are Hispanics who are Black as well. Univision for example has a Black Colombian female journalist named Illia Calderon.
    https://www.google.com.br/search?q=ilia+calderon&prmd=ivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjkoObqztPPAhXCgZAKHQMCDT4Q_AUIBygB&biw=360&bih=560#tbm=isch&q=Illia+Calderon&imgrc=ReoNnMCqSQ3A0M%3A

  48. Recently had an old university friend over – a Muslim (Turk). He’s voting for Trump. He too wants less Arab immigration in order for the country he lives in to be safer, and wants less US involvement in the Middle East. Being from a non-Western country, he’s not at all bothered by Trump’s dictatorial implications that bother some traditional conservatives.

    I suspect many American Muslims (at least, the ones who aren’t terrorists or sympathizers) prefer Trump’s stance towards Islam to Hillary’s. But we won’t know from the media.

  49. @Tiny Duck
    Six Americans won the Nobel prize this year in various sciences. ALL of them immigrants.

    Replies: @Mark Eugenikos, @sf, @Joe Walker

    Bet you none of them were black or Hispanic.

  50. Uh-oh! You pissed of another dailybeasting creature:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/10/ann-coulter-s-anti-semitism-runs-deeper-than-you-know.html

    …one of the site’s regular bloggers, Steve Sailer, has suggested that Jews “use their influence over the media” to “demoralize and divide” other groups….

    The funniest part is that Yekaterina The Not So Great wants you collaterally damaged with Ann Coulter for more or less quoting on Chua and Rubenfeld.

  51. “Do you ever get the impression that the media don’t really understand Hispanics?”

    The mainstream media knows enough about Hispanics that Donald Trump is going to get nowhere near the majority of their vote.

    The Donald’s favorable polling among Hispanics is only at a pathetic 19 percent.
    http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/10/11/latest-poll-of-latinos-is-very-bad-news-for-the-trump-camp/

    And that 19 percent includes Cubans. If you take out Cubans and only include Non Cuban Hispanics, his approval rating among them will definitely plummet to 10 percent or lower.

    There are not a lot of Mexicans, Central Americans, and Puerto Ricans that want to make America great again. Not a lot of them want Mexico to pay for a wall around The southern U.S border.

    Is Non Cuban Hispanic immigration good for America?

  52. Anyway- if Hilary, after all, manages to diebold whole proces and get her precious – I’m out of here (not the country, just the website):

    Dear Mr. Sailer,

    Some of my best-liking bloggers are Jewish.
    I am equally shocked and saddened that the specter of antisemitism had poisoned Ron’s well of knowledge.

    I just can’t believe that I used, sometimes, to visit the Unz Review.

    But, in my defense, it was mostly for Aviva Chomsky’s (yes,the tribe had issued 2.0, Beta version ) musings about maybe illiterate, but totally heroic undocumented workers .
    One of my favorite articles has this lovely,salmonella invoking passage:

    “It is likely that the last hands to hold the blueberries, strawberries, peaches, asparagus, or lettuce before you pick them up in your local grocery store belong to Latin American migrant laborers.”

    Aawww!

    Why couldn’t you be more like Aviva? Whyyyy?

    I certainly hope that the newly established Department of Everything will revoke your license, if you even had one in the first place!

    p.s. Madam-Commissary Jung had promised to personally write me a glowing recommendation letter for that job in Novo Svrdlovsk uranium mine.

    Life is good.

  53. The most important aspect of this election may be the media’s bias. Please cover these sorts of topics

    ex 1. General bias. Trumps P-s-y Grab story versus Hillary’s laughing about successful defense of rapist of 12-year old: (note, you have to get through a bit of auto-tuning video fun at beginning)

    ex 2. Polling dishonesty. Pollster of widely cited poll received 1/4 MILLION from Hillary SuperPAC in September

  54. Americans have a historically acquired bias to view every minority population through the lens of African-Americans. One major blindspot that filter entails is to assume that arbitrarily specified racial groups have significantly more homogeneity and cohesion than they actually do. Black culture in the US is indeed pretty monolithic. That makes the black voting block an extremely effective political weapon for the party that’s captured it.

    In contrast a Guatemalan mestizo in LA, black Dominican in the Bronx, and white Cuban in Ft Lauderdale have basically nothing in common besides being grouped in the same Census category. Expecting “hispanics” to become a major force to be reckoned with is just wishful thinking. Of course that doesn’t stop blond-haired, blue-eyed social climbers from trying to market themselves to naive donors and pundits as the next “hispanic Jesse Jackson”.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Doug

    "In contrast a Guatemalan mestizo in LA, black Dominican in the Bronx, and white Cuban in Ft Lauderdale have basically nothing in common besides being grouped in the same Census category. Expecting “hispanics” to become a major force to be reckoned with is just wishful thinking."

    Hispanics are a major force to be reckoned with. Hispanic voters are the reason Donald Trump is going to lose Florida, Nevada, and Colorado. It's not White Gringo voters that are turning those 3 states blue for Crooked Hildabeast.

    , @syonredux
    @Doug

    There are things that could be done to diminish the Hispanic threat. For example, we could use the tried-and-true policy of divide and rule. Scrap the Hispanic category and list people only by national origin.Play Mexicans against Cubans against Puerto Ricans against.....

    But that's a pipe dream. Our elites seem set on pursuing a "unite and be conquered" strategy. Hence, Hispanic will soon be followed by MENA, which will lump Muslims, Christians, Arabs, Persians, etc, into a single category.....

    Replies: @Lurker, @Njguy73

  55. I suspect Latinos really want respect more than a favorable immigration position.

    The Democrats’ message is that to oppose immigration is to disrespect Latinos as a group.

    Too late to do much this election but anti-immigration candidates should make it clear Latinos born US, work hard, and follow the law are respected by GOP.

    Some on this board probably disrespect Latinos as a group and want them gone buts its too late for that. Lax immigration policy changes the demographics irreversibly.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Jimi

    "I suspect Latinos really want respect more than a favorable immigration position."

    It has nothing to do with respect. It has to do with the fact that Hispanics favor open borders because they want to bring all of their large immediate and extended family members into The U.S. Hispanics on average are way more closer to their family members than White Northern European WASP Gringos are to their families. That is why when the Democrats say Right Wing immigration breaks up families, it resonates with the vast majority of Hispanics. Why should a Hispanic who wants to bring all of his grandmothers, grandfathers, cousins, uncles, and aunts to America vote for Donald Trump?

    The Democrats have successfully sold themselves to Hispanics as the party of family unification.

    Replies: @Jimi

  56. @Abe
    @AnotherDad


    This is broadly the fundamental defect of modern democracy. Once the franchise spirals out beyond the preserve of the productive responsible self-reliant men who sustain the nation materially and pay its taxes–to women, kids, welfare cases, heck now they are pushing for felons!–then inevitably the rent-seekers cobble together a “parasite party”–the rent-seekers high, the tax-eaters low–and bloat up the super-state.

    I pretty much expect whatever the Chinese do to avoid going the way of the West will be the surviving paradigm, or we’ll get to genetic manipulation which will radically change the equation by radically changing human capital.
     
    As an aside, my friends and family members seem to be a lot les upper crust than the typical UNZ reader, so at the grass roots I already see a lot of intermarriage between Hispanics and working class whites, but given the extremism of the open borders crowd, this somewhat benign development may be wiped out by the tidal wave of migrants who come from south of Mexico. Get used to ransom notes with finger/fingernail prizes in them as the new normal, folks!

    But, yes, the ancient philosophers were none too keen on the sort of mobocracy we're set to become. An interesting tidbit I learned from V. David Hanson's book on the Peloponnesian War was that it was the low classes who kept pushing Athens to fight to its utter ruin as the 10,000's of jobs available as rowers in the navy was good, steady income. Throughout the rest of classical Greek history it was a never-ending cycle of oligarchy followed by democratic revolution (mostly to erase all debts) followed by tyranny, and then back to oligarchy.

    Our system has worked not because of a magic piece of paper called the Constitution, but because of our culture and ethnic stock and the values of honesty, cooperation, and self-reliance/self-respect instilled in most people. Chinese model is NOT a great one. It leads to corruption by a group of elite insiders (read some of the Derb's writings and how the rare honest bureaucrat is a recurring cultural hero for the Chinese), which leads to rebellion, which leads to staggering casualties as a result of famine, war, and disease. If genetic engineering for higher intelligence and honor can save us in time, maybe this whole period will be looked back on as a growing pain stage towards our destiny exploring the stars, but I'm not gonna bet on it.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    Our system has worked not because of a magic piece of paper called the Constitution, but because of our culture and ethnic stock and the values of honesty, cooperation, and self-reliance/self-respect instilled in most people.

    Instilled in or, rather, residing in our people?

  57. EU’s politics is not based on the America First principles
    Russia’s politics is not based on the America First principles
    China’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    India’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Saudi Arabia’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Indonesia’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Australia’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    South Africa’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Israel’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Japan’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Egypt‎’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Philippines’ politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Pakistan’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Iran’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Malaysia’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    New Zealand’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Canada politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Nigeria’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Brazil’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    South Korea’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Iraq’s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Mexico’s politics is not based on the America First principles…

    So why Trump has to be such an extremist and nationalistically advocate for something that any other nation in The World doesn’t give a squat?

    I mean, Americans in 21. century can live,trade, marry, etc with the other people from all around the world. What else do you need?

    Founding Fathers would definitely forfeit on their little splendid war, if they knew how Trump believes that Americans deserve some exclusive teritorial entity only for themselves.

    • Replies: @celt darnell
    @bored identity

    To be fair, Canada's, Australia's, and New Zealand's politics are not based on putting their nations' interests first either.

    Ditto the EU's and UK's.

    For all the rest, however, it's a different story...

  58. @Doug
    Americans have a historically acquired bias to view every minority population through the lens of African-Americans. One major blindspot that filter entails is to assume that arbitrarily specified racial groups have significantly more homogeneity and cohesion than they actually do. Black culture in the US is indeed pretty monolithic. That makes the black voting block an extremely effective political weapon for the party that's captured it.

    In contrast a Guatemalan mestizo in LA, black Dominican in the Bronx, and white Cuban in Ft Lauderdale have basically nothing in common besides being grouped in the same Census category. Expecting "hispanics" to become a major force to be reckoned with is just wishful thinking. Of course that doesn't stop blond-haired, blue-eyed social climbers from trying to market themselves to naive donors and pundits as the next "hispanic Jesse Jackson".

    Replies: @Jefferson, @syonredux

    “In contrast a Guatemalan mestizo in LA, black Dominican in the Bronx, and white Cuban in Ft Lauderdale have basically nothing in common besides being grouped in the same Census category. Expecting “hispanics” to become a major force to be reckoned with is just wishful thinking.”

    Hispanics are a major force to be reckoned with. Hispanic voters are the reason Donald Trump is going to lose Florida, Nevada, and Colorado. It’s not White Gringo voters that are turning those 3 states blue for Crooked Hildabeast.

  59. @Jimi
    I suspect Latinos really want respect more than a favorable immigration position.

    The Democrats' message is that to oppose immigration is to disrespect Latinos as a group.

    Too late to do much this election but anti-immigration candidates should make it clear Latinos born US, work hard, and follow the law are respected by GOP.

    Some on this board probably disrespect Latinos as a group and want them gone buts its too late for that. Lax immigration policy changes the demographics irreversibly.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “I suspect Latinos really want respect more than a favorable immigration position.”

    It has nothing to do with respect. It has to do with the fact that Hispanics favor open borders because they want to bring all of their large immediate and extended family members into The U.S. Hispanics on average are way more closer to their family members than White Northern European WASP Gringos are to their families. That is why when the Democrats say Right Wing immigration breaks up families, it resonates with the vast majority of Hispanics. Why should a Hispanic who wants to bring all of his grandmothers, grandfathers, cousins, uncles, and aunts to America vote for Donald Trump?

    The Democrats have successfully sold themselves to Hispanics as the party of family unification.

    • Replies: @Jimi
    @Jefferson

    This is not true. Polls have shown that Hispanics don't rate immigration "reform" as their highest priority. They do want free healthcare, free housing, and welfare state provisions which is why they vote Democrat.

  60. @Reg Cæsar
    @Tiny Duck


    How does it feel? Knowing that Clinton will win in a landslide and that the United States will be a progressive left wing country FOREVER
     
    Well, at least the majority of color will let us go back to beating up homos for fun, unlike the degraded and humorless modern white population. Jamaica, here we come!

    Replies: @Tiny Duck, @syonredux

    Well, at least the majority of color will let us go back to beating up homos for fun, unlike the degraded and humorless modern white population. Jamaica, here we come!

    Given pro-Homo trends in Latin America, probably not…..

    In Mexico, only civil marriages are recognized by law, and all its proceedings fall under state legislation.[1] Same-sex marriage is performed without restriction in Mexico City and in the states of Campeche, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Colima, Jalisco, Michoacán, Morelos, Nayarit and Quintana Roo, as well as in certain municipalities in Guerrero, Querétaro and Puebla. Legislation to change the laws covering same-sex marriage is currently pending in several states. In addition, courts in all states must approve marriage licenses for same-sex couples when petitioned to do so; so far, individual cases of same-sex marriage have occurred in every state. Same-sex civil unions are legally performed in Mexico City and in the states of Campeche,[2] Coahuila, Jalisco,[3] and Michoacán.[4] Civil unions were previously legal in Colima from 2013 to 2016. Since August 2010, same-sex marriages performed within Mexico are recognized by the 31 states without exception, and fundamental spousal rights (such as alimony payments, inheritance rights, and the coverage of spouses by the federal social security system) also apply to same-sex couples across the country.[

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Mexico

  61. @Doug
    Americans have a historically acquired bias to view every minority population through the lens of African-Americans. One major blindspot that filter entails is to assume that arbitrarily specified racial groups have significantly more homogeneity and cohesion than they actually do. Black culture in the US is indeed pretty monolithic. That makes the black voting block an extremely effective political weapon for the party that's captured it.

    In contrast a Guatemalan mestizo in LA, black Dominican in the Bronx, and white Cuban in Ft Lauderdale have basically nothing in common besides being grouped in the same Census category. Expecting "hispanics" to become a major force to be reckoned with is just wishful thinking. Of course that doesn't stop blond-haired, blue-eyed social climbers from trying to market themselves to naive donors and pundits as the next "hispanic Jesse Jackson".

    Replies: @Jefferson, @syonredux

    There are things that could be done to diminish the Hispanic threat. For example, we could use the tried-and-true policy of divide and rule. Scrap the Hispanic category and list people only by national origin.Play Mexicans against Cubans against Puerto Ricans against…..

    But that’s a pipe dream. Our elites seem set on pursuing a “unite and be conquered” strategy. Hence, Hispanic will soon be followed by MENA, which will lump Muslims, Christians, Arabs, Persians, etc, into a single category…..

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @syonredux

    Indeed, no new categories will be allowed unless they lump disparate groups together in a nonsensical fashion.

    (Or sensible fashion, if your intention is malicious)

    , @Njguy73
    @syonredux

    "How should we offer Ethnic Equality?

    "Either, everybody should be allowed to choose an ethnicity—Italian, Okinawan, German, Guatemalan, Barbadian, Navajo, or whatever—and all laws and regulations, including the EEOC's Four-Fifths Rule, should apply equally to all ethnicities.

    "Or, nobody should have a legally recognized ethnicity...Well, in the spirit of bipartisanship upon which Barack Obama ran for President, I think we should let him make the choice between Everybody and Nobody..."

    "To make the deal even better, I’d go so far as to offer the President a historic compromise: permanent racial preferences for the descendants of American slaves (and for tribally registered American Indians, while we’re at it) in return for Ethnic Equality."

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/09/my-vdarecom-column-on-ethnic-equality.html

  62. @Jefferson
    @Jimi

    "I suspect Latinos really want respect more than a favorable immigration position."

    It has nothing to do with respect. It has to do with the fact that Hispanics favor open borders because they want to bring all of their large immediate and extended family members into The U.S. Hispanics on average are way more closer to their family members than White Northern European WASP Gringos are to their families. That is why when the Democrats say Right Wing immigration breaks up families, it resonates with the vast majority of Hispanics. Why should a Hispanic who wants to bring all of his grandmothers, grandfathers, cousins, uncles, and aunts to America vote for Donald Trump?

    The Democrats have successfully sold themselves to Hispanics as the party of family unification.

    Replies: @Jimi

    This is not true. Polls have shown that Hispanics don’t rate immigration “reform” as their highest priority. They do want free healthcare, free housing, and welfare state provisions which is why they vote Democrat.

  63. @bored identity
    Paging Mr. Lot:

    Oh my God, Nate $ilver is a friggin' math wizard....it's really happening this time:

    Hillary is smashing Trump in the lates NBC/WSJ poll by 11% !!!!
     
    Right?....Well, p(h)ew on that one:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/10/11/media-polling-fully-exposed-about-that-nbcwsj-clinton-11-point-poll/

    Replies: @celt darnell

    OK, this is off topic, but as we all keep referring to polls…

    Does anyone here know why Real Clear Politics is excluding Rasmussen from their presidential poll tallies?

    Although Rasmussen is traditionally seen to be Republican-leaning, in my experience, they’re no less accurate than anyone else. Also, Real Clear Politics used to use them and has no problem including Democratic Party polls — which they identify as such: (D).

    I only ask because every Rasmussen poll I’ve seen shows a much closer race (between 1-2 percent), so it’s an odd omission.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @celt darnell

    Rasmussen is a four way poll, so gets included only in the four way comparison on RCP.

    LA Times is a two way poll and gets included only in the two way comparison.

    Put them together, though, they'd give a different average number (though other less favorable polls would also be included, presumably).

    The obvious question with all these polls is how it's possible for them to show such gaps in their top line numbers, if they are in any way credible.

    The LA Times poll, for example, can show Trump up by 2-4 pts when the NBC/WSJ poll shows him down by 11 -- an average difference of 14 pts.

    Simply put, one or the other of these polls is doing something very seriously wrong -- or perhaps both are. But gaps like that can be explained only by some deep systematic error -- an error so consequential that the stated "confidence intervals" of about 3% are jokes.

    The other question is: is the source of the error due fundamentally to a political bias?

    I honestly can't think of a good reason to believe that it isn't due to such a bias, given the hysteria of this election. I doubt that pollsters are somehow above the same desire to dispense with all standard rules in the fight against the New Hitler as are journalists, or academicians, or any other members of our "elite".

    I won't say that I have any certainty that they too have been corrupted, but it's frankly very plausible that they have.

    Replies: @celt darnell

  64. @bored identity
    EU's politics is not based on the America First principles
    Russia's politics is not based on the America First principles
    China's politics is not based on the America First principles,
    India's politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Saudi Arabia's politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Indonesia's politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Australia's politics is not based on the America First principles,
    South Africa's politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Israel's politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Japan's politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Egypt‎'s politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Philippines' politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Pakistan's politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Iran's politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Malaysia's politics is not based on the America First principles,
    New Zealand's politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Canada politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Nigeria's politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Brazil's politics is not based on the America First principles,
    South Korea's politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Iraq's politics is not based on the America First principles,
    Mexico's politics is not based on the America First principles...

    So why Trump has to be such an extremist and nationalistically advocate for something that any other nation in The World doesn't give a squat?

    I mean, Americans in 21. century can live,trade, marry, etc with the other people from all around the world. What else do you need?

    Founding Fathers would definitely forfeit on their little splendid war, if they knew how Trump believes that Americans deserve some exclusive teritorial entity only for themselves.





    https://s22.postimg.org/jv7b6hzu9/THE_WORLD_RIGHT.jpg

    Replies: @celt darnell

    To be fair, Canada’s, Australia’s, and New Zealand’s politics are not based on putting their nations’ interests first either.

    Ditto the EU’s and UK’s.

    For all the rest, however, it’s a different story…

  65. @Tiny Duck
    How does it feel? Knowing that Clinton will win in a landslide and that the United States will be a progressive left wing country FOREVER

    Replies: @Mark Eugenikos, @1stTimeCallerLongTimeListener, @FX Enderby, @Reg Cæsar, @celt darnell

    Progressive left wing countries — as you define “left” and “progressive” don’t last long. Nor do they long remain anything resembling a first world, developed and civilised nation.

    The US is better off remaining a genuine, rather than banana, republic.

    But I’m still not persuaded the Americans are ready to commit suicide just yet.

    I suspect you’re going to be disappointed, Tiny Dick.

  66. @celt darnell
    @bored identity

    OK, this is off topic, but as we all keep referring to polls...

    Does anyone here know why Real Clear Politics is excluding Rasmussen from their presidential poll tallies?

    Although Rasmussen is traditionally seen to be Republican-leaning, in my experience, they're no less accurate than anyone else. Also, Real Clear Politics used to use them and has no problem including Democratic Party polls -- which they identify as such: (D).

    I only ask because every Rasmussen poll I've seen shows a much closer race (between 1-2 percent), so it's an odd omission.

    Replies: @candid_observer

    Rasmussen is a four way poll, so gets included only in the four way comparison on RCP.

    LA Times is a two way poll and gets included only in the two way comparison.

    Put them together, though, they’d give a different average number (though other less favorable polls would also be included, presumably).

    The obvious question with all these polls is how it’s possible for them to show such gaps in their top line numbers, if they are in any way credible.

    The LA Times poll, for example, can show Trump up by 2-4 pts when the NBC/WSJ poll shows him down by 11 — an average difference of 14 pts.

    Simply put, one or the other of these polls is doing something very seriously wrong — or perhaps both are. But gaps like that can be explained only by some deep systematic error — an error so consequential that the stated “confidence intervals” of about 3% are jokes.

    The other question is: is the source of the error due fundamentally to a political bias?

    I honestly can’t think of a good reason to believe that it isn’t due to such a bias, given the hysteria of this election. I doubt that pollsters are somehow above the same desire to dispense with all standard rules in the fight against the New Hitler as are journalists, or academicians, or any other members of our “elite”.

    I won’t say that I have any certainty that they too have been corrupted, but it’s frankly very plausible that they have.

    • Replies: @celt darnell
    @candid_observer

    Thank you.

  67. @Anonymous
    Remember when Steve said Trump would get a lot of Hispanic support because they like boisterous and macho politicians?

    Replies: @Lurker, @AnotherDad

    No, remind us.

    Some here did say that Trump might do better than expected among Hispanic voters.

  68. @syonredux
    @Doug

    There are things that could be done to diminish the Hispanic threat. For example, we could use the tried-and-true policy of divide and rule. Scrap the Hispanic category and list people only by national origin.Play Mexicans against Cubans against Puerto Ricans against.....

    But that's a pipe dream. Our elites seem set on pursuing a "unite and be conquered" strategy. Hence, Hispanic will soon be followed by MENA, which will lump Muslims, Christians, Arabs, Persians, etc, into a single category.....

    Replies: @Lurker, @Njguy73

    Indeed, no new categories will be allowed unless they lump disparate groups together in a nonsensical fashion.

    (Or sensible fashion, if your intention is malicious)

  69. @candid_observer
    @celt darnell

    Rasmussen is a four way poll, so gets included only in the four way comparison on RCP.

    LA Times is a two way poll and gets included only in the two way comparison.

    Put them together, though, they'd give a different average number (though other less favorable polls would also be included, presumably).

    The obvious question with all these polls is how it's possible for them to show such gaps in their top line numbers, if they are in any way credible.

    The LA Times poll, for example, can show Trump up by 2-4 pts when the NBC/WSJ poll shows him down by 11 -- an average difference of 14 pts.

    Simply put, one or the other of these polls is doing something very seriously wrong -- or perhaps both are. But gaps like that can be explained only by some deep systematic error -- an error so consequential that the stated "confidence intervals" of about 3% are jokes.

    The other question is: is the source of the error due fundamentally to a political bias?

    I honestly can't think of a good reason to believe that it isn't due to such a bias, given the hysteria of this election. I doubt that pollsters are somehow above the same desire to dispense with all standard rules in the fight against the New Hitler as are journalists, or academicians, or any other members of our "elite".

    I won't say that I have any certainty that they too have been corrupted, but it's frankly very plausible that they have.

    Replies: @celt darnell

    Thank you.

  70. @another fred

    Do you ever get the impression that the media don’t really understand Hispanics?
     
    They don't seem to understand much about reality, full stop.

    Replies: @boogerbently

    “In 2016, Latinos View Republicans More Favorably Than in 2012”

    Eventually, SOMEONE has to be smart enough to figure out that importing more immigrants, requiring jobs and tax$$$, means less jobs and tax$$$ available to them.
    I’m still waiting for those intellectually superior Hillary fans to realize that muslims are NOT a benefit to women or the LGBTxyz community.

  71. @epebble
    @Corvinus

    I think he may be referring to https://www.amazon.com/Filthy-Rich-Powerful-Billionaire-Shocking/dp/0316274054

    I was wondering why Trump did not use the "Lolita Express" story to beat up Bill Clinton; now it seems obvious as he too might have been a passenger on that and why stir that hornets nest. But it may come up in the next debate as by then he may conclude all is lost and he can as well destroy Clintons.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “But it may come up in the next debate as by then he may conclude all is lost and he can as well destroy Clintons.”

    There is NOTHING to destroy. Most people are painfully aware of their flaws. Those who support them DO NOT CARE. Same with Trump’s supporters. They know of his character issues. They also DO NOT CARE.

  72. @res
    @Corvinus


    do you honestly believe that Trump among evangelicals is “less scummy” than Clinton because he procured hotties on his own accord while married, compared to Uncle Bill apparently having friends get him some action?
     
    You seem to have ignored the under-age aspect. Why? Do you not think that is an important part of the comparison?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “You seem to have ignored the under-age aspect. Why?”

    I have asked for a source regarding Clinton’s consumption of young flesh compliments of Epstein, so it hasn’t been ignored.

    • Replies: @res
    @Corvinus

    But your comparison did not mention it. As I said in the next sentence (which you omitted in your quote):
    "Do you not think that is an important part of the comparison?"

    And I repeat and amplify my question:

    Do you not think that is an important part of the comparison? Why did you not include the under-age aspect in your rhetorical comparison?

    Look, we all get that you are disingenuous here. At least make an effort to not have it be so obvious.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  73. @Svigor

    Second, do you honestly believe that Trump among evangelicals is “less scummy” than Clinton because he procured hotties on his own accord while married, compared to Uncle Bill apparently having friends get him some action, while married?
     
    (FIFY)

    Yes. What are you, a moron?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    You didn’t fix anything, Svigor.

    So, from your perspective, evangelicals in general care not about the Bible says about fornication outside of marriage. Perhaps that is the atheist side in you.

  74. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Corvinus


    ... "Disgusting, assuredly, but nothing new here. ..."
     
    I disagree. This is the first time in my recollection that a campaign -- the Clintons or their surrogates -- introduced the equivalent of a four-letter word -- p*ssy which most women I know claim to regard as more offensive than other vulgar synonyms -- into a presidential campaign, let alone a presidential debate. That the source for this was a surreptitiously recorded private conversation that was treacherously leaked to an opposing party from purely personal motives -- Trump's interlocutor was a Bush cousin - is another first.

    This campaign has also seen an unprecedented collusion on the part of the MSM, the political establishment in both parties, the social and economic elites, and even the federal government to defeat a candidate who threatens their material and political interests. We have recently learned that there was actually a successful conspiracy to quash Clinton's indictment for crimes against national security. But this is just a continuation of politically motivated illegalities by the Democrat Party that began under our current affirmative action president, e.g., the active use of the IRS to stifle political dissent. I might remind you, Corvinus, that one of the bills of indictment against President Nixon was that he merely inquired if it were possible to use the IRS in that fashion. Clearly we've come a long way since then.

    As for Bill Clinton's use of under-age girls pimped by Jeffrey Epstein with the Hildabeast's full knowledge, I suggest that you - or any interested reader - do an internet search on Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein, underage, and sex. BTW, this will work better if you use another site than Google, e.g., DuckDuckGo.Com, since Google has been detected fudging search results in favor of the Clintons and against Trump. If I am disbelieved on this point I suggest that you and interested readers do another Google search. The more people find these facts out on their own, the more dedicated voters for Trump - or at least voters against the Clintons - there will be.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @AnotherDad

    “As for Bill Clinton’s use of under-age girls pimped by Jeffrey Epstein with the Hildabeast’s full knowledge, I suggest that you – or any interested reader – do an internet search on Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein, underage, and sex.”

    Apparently Donald Trump was also involved in his trysts, assuming these lurid stories are true. Do you seek to defend him? The accusations may or may not be true. Is there not a political motivation on the part of anti-Clintonites to make false claims? Again, it is completely within the realm of possibility, even likely, that Bill Clinton did such heinous things. What about “the Donald”?

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html

    From the source–“And just last week, yet another “Jane Doe” filed a suit in New York accusing Epstein and Donald Trump of raping her at a series of sex parties when she was only 13.”

    “I disagree. This is the first time in my recollection that a campaign — the Clintons or their surrogates — introduced the equivalent of a four-letter word — p*ssy which most women I know claim to regard as more offensive than other vulgar synonyms — into a presidential campaign, let alone a presidential debate.”

    There is an even more vulgar word that women disdain. Four letter word. Begins with a “c”. Moreover, OMG, I mean, those Clintons, how terrible they go all gutter. Listen, the gloves come off during campaigns. Stop feigning outrage.

    “That the source for this was a surreptitiously recorded private conversation that was treacherously leaked to an opposing party from purely personal motives — Trump’s interlocutor was a Bush cousin – is another first.”

    Paging any reporter from Breitbart. Again, stop feigning outrage.

    “This campaign has also seen an unprecedented collusion on the part of the MSM, the political establishment in both parties, the social and economic elites, and even the federal government to defeat a candidate who threatens their material and political interests.”

    Yes. So what, we don’t care. That’s the mantra of the Coalition of the Left and Right Fringe groups. What, you think the “alternative media” is a bunch of choir boys and girls in this sordid political affair?

    “We have recently learned that there was actually a successful conspiracy to quash Clinton’s indictment for crimes against national security. But this is just a continuation of politically motivated illegalities by the Democrat Party that began under our current affirmative action president, e.g., the active use of the IRS to stifle political dissent.”

    Corrected for accuracy –> A continuation of politically motivated illegalities by “elites”, both right and left.

    “I might remind you, Corvinus, that one of the bills of indictment against President Nixon was that he merely inquired if it were possible to use the IRS in that fashion. Clearly we’ve come a long way since then.”

    Absolutely. Both political parties fight equally dirty.

  75. @Reg Cæsar
    Even cheap labor understands that there is even cheaper labor out there.

    Replies: @Alfa158

    I worked for a while for a company making industrial electrical equipment in Rep. Loretta Sanchez’s district. Except for the test engineers, the entire factory workforce was Mexican, and I don’t mean Latino, including Central Americans. Any new job openings were passed on by the existing workers to people of Mexican origin and preferably from the same state or home-town as them. The plant used e-verify so all the workers were citizens or green card holders. Even without illegals being eligible, and California minimum wage propping up the hourly rates these fairly skilled workers didn’t make that much and relied on as much overtime as possible to pay for their yanqui lifestyles. (Suburbans with 20″ wheels and Lakers flags, X-box and smart phones for all the kids, big house with big screen TVs etc.). Cheaper labor was anathema to these guys.
    Loretta is now running for the Senate as the sacrificial lamb who will lose in the general to fellow Democrat and contender for 2014 successor to Hillary, Kamala Harris. (California has open primaries and the top finishers in the primary were all Democrats) A couple of years ago Loretta toured the factory and gathered all the workers for a pep-talk. Through an interpreter she give a rousing speech about how she was going to work with Obama to get amnesty, open borders, and green cards for all the Central Americans pouring across the border at that time. Representative Dim-bulb (CA) seemed to expect the Aztecs to be huzzahing and tossing their caps in the air instead of standing there in stony silence with their arms crossed. Never occurred to her that the last thing these guys wanted was to be suddenly competing on the job market with a couple million 5’2″ Mixtecs who would be happy to work for even less.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Alfa158


    Representative Dim-bulb (CA) seemed to expect the Aztecs to be huzzahing and tossing their caps in the air instead of standing there in stony silence with their arms crossed. Never occurred to her that the last thing these guys wanted was to be suddenly competing on the job market with a couple million 5’2″ Mixtecs who would be happy to work for even less.
     
    That's a pretty funny anecdote and doesn't much surprise me. Frankly, I've been heavily involved in immigration-related issues for over 25 years, and our political/media elites were totally clueless in that area back in 1990 and are still just as totally clueless today, though the axes of their cluelessness tends to vary with time and ideology.

    You've probably already seen it, but about a week ago I published a long article outlining the most likely solution to our endless immigration problems. Basically, my central point is that the natural political alliance is between the pro-immigrant Democrats and the anti-immigration Republicans, and together they might have the political power to fix the problems:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/a-grand-bargain-on-immigration-reform-2/
  76. @FX Enderby
    On Lennonism, here's Dan Rather's facebook from Oct 9th:

    Today would have marked John Lennon's 76th birthday. It's a reminder of how young we lost him and how much he had left to live and share.

    In these troubled times I choose his vision of inclusion, peace and love.

    "Imagine all the people

    Living life in peace...

    You may say I’m a dreamer

    But I’m not the only one..."

    We miss you John. May your spirit and music live on.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Njguy73

    “The European Union doesn’t need to imagine John Lennon’s ‘Imagine’ because it lives in it…voluntarily secular…post-nationalist pseudo-state…Nothing is a more reliable indicator of a lack of imagination than singing ‘Imagine’. We sing the same crappy songs but we do not live in John Lennon’s 1970. For example, what has changed since the year Lennon wrote his apparently indestructible talisman?…In 1970, the developed nations had twice as big a share of the global population as the Muslim world: 30 per cent to 15 per cent. By 2000, they were at parity: each had about 20 per cent…”

    – Mark Steyn, “Imagine There’s No …Imagination,” November 17, 2015

    http://www.steynonline.com/7298/imagine-there-no-imagination

  77. @Anonymous
    Remember when Steve said Trump would get a lot of Hispanic support because they like boisterous and macho politicians?

    Replies: @Lurker, @AnotherDad

    Remember when Steve said Trump would get a lot of Hispanic support because they like boisterous and macho politicians?

    Anon, these are party numbers. And Steve never said Trump would get any sort of Hispanic majority–Steve spent some effort debunking the whole “Bush got 40% nonsense. Steve just pointed out that Trump’s brash persona is the sort of type Latinos can relate too.

    Trump won’t do as well as Bush. The media is all in to smear him and has tried to paint Trump as “hates Latinos!”. In truth, the people most negatively affected by illegal immigration–as Ceasar Chavez would point out–are American Latinos (not the ethnic activists but ordinary folks), simply because their skills sets and geography are closest so they end up in the same labor markets competing against each other. But Trump can’t expect the media to point that out! Trump has to point that out. And so far–at least in the debates–he’s done a crappy job on the “one nation”, “jobs” and “income inequality” stuff. You can’t tell from the debates what his main disagreement with Hillary is and why the establishment has gone full Hitler on him.

    Even so Trump won’t see black-like Hispanic skew against him.

  78. @syonredux
    @Doug

    There are things that could be done to diminish the Hispanic threat. For example, we could use the tried-and-true policy of divide and rule. Scrap the Hispanic category and list people only by national origin.Play Mexicans against Cubans against Puerto Ricans against.....

    But that's a pipe dream. Our elites seem set on pursuing a "unite and be conquered" strategy. Hence, Hispanic will soon be followed by MENA, which will lump Muslims, Christians, Arabs, Persians, etc, into a single category.....

    Replies: @Lurker, @Njguy73

    “How should we offer Ethnic Equality?

    “Either, everybody should be allowed to choose an ethnicity—Italian, Okinawan, German, Guatemalan, Barbadian, Navajo, or whatever—and all laws and regulations, including the EEOC’s Four-Fifths Rule, should apply equally to all ethnicities.

    “Or, nobody should have a legally recognized ethnicity…Well, in the spirit of bipartisanship upon which Barack Obama ran for President, I think we should let him make the choice between Everybody and Nobody…”

    “To make the deal even better, I’d go so far as to offer the President a historic compromise: permanent racial preferences for the descendants of American slaves (and for tribally registered American Indians, while we’re at it) in return for Ethnic Equality.”

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/09/my-vdarecom-column-on-ethnic-equality.html

  79. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Corvinus


    ... "Disgusting, assuredly, but nothing new here. ..."
     
    I disagree. This is the first time in my recollection that a campaign -- the Clintons or their surrogates -- introduced the equivalent of a four-letter word -- p*ssy which most women I know claim to regard as more offensive than other vulgar synonyms -- into a presidential campaign, let alone a presidential debate. That the source for this was a surreptitiously recorded private conversation that was treacherously leaked to an opposing party from purely personal motives -- Trump's interlocutor was a Bush cousin - is another first.

    This campaign has also seen an unprecedented collusion on the part of the MSM, the political establishment in both parties, the social and economic elites, and even the federal government to defeat a candidate who threatens their material and political interests. We have recently learned that there was actually a successful conspiracy to quash Clinton's indictment for crimes against national security. But this is just a continuation of politically motivated illegalities by the Democrat Party that began under our current affirmative action president, e.g., the active use of the IRS to stifle political dissent. I might remind you, Corvinus, that one of the bills of indictment against President Nixon was that he merely inquired if it were possible to use the IRS in that fashion. Clearly we've come a long way since then.

    As for Bill Clinton's use of under-age girls pimped by Jeffrey Epstein with the Hildabeast's full knowledge, I suggest that you - or any interested reader - do an internet search on Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein, underage, and sex. BTW, this will work better if you use another site than Google, e.g., DuckDuckGo.Com, since Google has been detected fudging search results in favor of the Clintons and against Trump. If I am disbelieved on this point I suggest that you and interested readers do another Google search. The more people find these facts out on their own, the more dedicated voters for Trump - or at least voters against the Clintons - there will be.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @AnotherDad

    “I disagree. This is the first time in my recollection that a campaign — the Clintons or their surrogates — introduced the equivalent of a four-letter word — p*ssy which most women I know claim to regard as more offensive than other vulgar synonyms …”

    Huh, what’s wrong with kitty cats?

    No seriously, “pussy” is the most vulgar word for the female anatomy? C’mon. It’s the common vulgar. Just guessing, but i’d bet that for folks (male and female) who like to “go auditory” in sex play, it’s the word most often used for that part of the female anatomy–it connotes soft, warm and fun! There’s a different word which i’ve never said to a woman which is clearly more vulgar by the American standards i’m familiar with.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @AnotherDad

    About thirty years ago, a lover let me know that she preferred any vulgar word I could come up with to the IMHO rather cute and tame word "pussy". I've confirmed this in conversations with a significant number of women since. Based on my experience, this distaste for the word among women cuts across class and religious lines. I stick to White women so I cannot address whether women of other races are more comfortable with the term. Why don't you pll women you know and get back to me with your results.

  80. @Alfa158
    @Reg Cæsar

    I worked for a while for a company making industrial electrical equipment in Rep. Loretta Sanchez's district. Except for the test engineers, the entire factory workforce was Mexican, and I don't mean Latino, including Central Americans. Any new job openings were passed on by the existing workers to people of Mexican origin and preferably from the same state or home-town as them. The plant used e-verify so all the workers were citizens or green card holders. Even without illegals being eligible, and California minimum wage propping up the hourly rates these fairly skilled workers didn't make that much and relied on as much overtime as possible to pay for their yanqui lifestyles. (Suburbans with 20" wheels and Lakers flags, X-box and smart phones for all the kids, big house with big screen TVs etc.). Cheaper labor was anathema to these guys.
    Loretta is now running for the Senate as the sacrificial lamb who will lose in the general to fellow Democrat and contender for 2014 successor to Hillary, Kamala Harris. (California has open primaries and the top finishers in the primary were all Democrats) A couple of years ago Loretta toured the factory and gathered all the workers for a pep-talk. Through an interpreter she give a rousing speech about how she was going to work with Obama to get amnesty, open borders, and green cards for all the Central Americans pouring across the border at that time. Representative Dim-bulb (CA) seemed to expect the Aztecs to be huzzahing and tossing their caps in the air instead of standing there in stony silence with their arms crossed. Never occurred to her that the last thing these guys wanted was to be suddenly competing on the job market with a couple million 5'2" Mixtecs who would be happy to work for even less.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    Representative Dim-bulb (CA) seemed to expect the Aztecs to be huzzahing and tossing their caps in the air instead of standing there in stony silence with their arms crossed. Never occurred to her that the last thing these guys wanted was to be suddenly competing on the job market with a couple million 5’2″ Mixtecs who would be happy to work for even less.

    That’s a pretty funny anecdote and doesn’t much surprise me. Frankly, I’ve been heavily involved in immigration-related issues for over 25 years, and our political/media elites were totally clueless in that area back in 1990 and are still just as totally clueless today, though the axes of their cluelessness tends to vary with time and ideology.

    You’ve probably already seen it, but about a week ago I published a long article outlining the most likely solution to our endless immigration problems. Basically, my central point is that the natural political alliance is between the pro-immigrant Democrats and the anti-immigration Republicans, and together they might have the political power to fix the problems:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/a-grand-bargain-on-immigration-reform-2/

  81. Maybe some Hispanics are opposed to NAFTA. It isn’t only working class whites who are opposed to free trade. Most people on the planet oppose free trade.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @unpc downunder

    Yes, most people on the planet oppose free trade and immigration. These are good points to make. I'd say in fact that the preference against immigration is in fact much stronger than the one against open trade.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @unpc downunder

    NAFTA ruined Mexican agriculture, which was highly labor-intensive and unable to meet US competition. The US "won" that segment of the deal, though only our farmers came out ahead.

    Twice. Once in the Mexican market, and again in the labor market. Those unemployed peons came here.

  82. @unpc downunder
    Maybe some Hispanics are opposed to NAFTA. It isn't only working class whites who are opposed to free trade. Most people on the planet oppose free trade.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, most people on the planet oppose free trade and immigration. These are good points to make. I’d say in fact that the preference against immigration is in fact much stronger than the one against open trade.

  83. @Tiny Duck
    @Reg Cæsar

    People of a Color are more accepting of homosexuals than are whites.

    Replies: @ATate, @Reg Cæsar

    That would certainly explain their being the largest voting demographic to vote against gay marriage in California on Prop 8. They voted to eliminate gay marriage in California at a higher rate than self identified Christians.

    Good lord, you’re a hoot!

    Listen to some rap music too while your at it.

  84. @AnotherDad
    @Jus' Sayin'...


    "I disagree. This is the first time in my recollection that a campaign — the Clintons or their surrogates — introduced the equivalent of a four-letter word — p*ssy which most women I know claim to regard as more offensive than other vulgar synonyms ..."
     
    Huh, what's wrong with kitty cats?

    No seriously, "pussy" is the most vulgar word for the female anatomy? C'mon. It's the common vulgar. Just guessing, but i'd bet that for folks (male and female) who like to "go auditory" in sex play, it's the word most often used for that part of the female anatomy--it connotes soft, warm and fun! There's a different word which i've never said to a woman which is clearly more vulgar by the American standards i'm familiar with.

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...

    About thirty years ago, a lover let me know that she preferred any vulgar word I could come up with to the IMHO rather cute and tame word “pussy”. I’ve confirmed this in conversations with a significant number of women since. Based on my experience, this distaste for the word among women cuts across class and religious lines. I stick to White women so I cannot address whether women of other races are more comfortable with the term. Why don’t you pll women you know and get back to me with your results.

  85. @Corvinus
    @res

    "You seem to have ignored the under-age aspect. Why?"

    I have asked for a source regarding Clinton’s consumption of young flesh compliments of Epstein, so it hasn't been ignored.

    Replies: @res

    But your comparison did not mention it. As I said in the next sentence (which you omitted in your quote):
    “Do you not think that is an important part of the comparison?”

    And I repeat and amplify my question:

    Do you not think that is an important part of the comparison? Why did you not include the under-age aspect in your rhetorical comparison?

    Look, we all get that you are disingenuous here. At least make an effort to not have it be so obvious.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @res

    "Why did you not include the under-age aspect in your rhetorical comparison?

    My comparison is MY comparison, not yours. I am focusing on in this particular case regarding evangelical support for Trump who, while married, sought to get with women other than his wife, compared to Clinton, who engaged in actions.

    "Do you not think that is an important part of the comparison?"

    That would be a different comparison--would evangelicals believe Trump is "less scummy" because he sought legal age girlies to "have his way with", compared to Clinton's apparent desire to sate his under-age proclivities?

    In this specific instance, I would say "yes", evangelicals would note this difference. Regardless, I was led to believe that evangelicals would NOT support either person because they are breaking the bonds of holy matrimony.

    do you honestly believe that Trump among evangelicals is “less scummy” than Clinton because he procured hotties on his own accord while married, compared to Uncle Bill apparently having friends get him some action?

    "Look, we all get that you are disingenuous here. At least make an effort to not have it be so obvious."

    The train is fine, Cochise, the train is fine.

  86. @res
    @Corvinus

    But your comparison did not mention it. As I said in the next sentence (which you omitted in your quote):
    "Do you not think that is an important part of the comparison?"

    And I repeat and amplify my question:

    Do you not think that is an important part of the comparison? Why did you not include the under-age aspect in your rhetorical comparison?

    Look, we all get that you are disingenuous here. At least make an effort to not have it be so obvious.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Why did you not include the under-age aspect in your rhetorical comparison?

    My comparison is MY comparison, not yours. I am focusing on in this particular case regarding evangelical support for Trump who, while married, sought to get with women other than his wife, compared to Clinton, who engaged in actions.

    “Do you not think that is an important part of the comparison?”

    That would be a different comparison–would evangelicals believe Trump is “less scummy” because he sought legal age girlies to “have his way with”, compared to Clinton’s apparent desire to sate his under-age proclivities?

    In this specific instance, I would say “yes”, evangelicals would note this difference. Regardless, I was led to believe that evangelicals would NOT support either person because they are breaking the bonds of holy matrimony.

    do you honestly believe that Trump among evangelicals is “less scummy” than Clinton because he procured hotties on his own accord while married, compared to Uncle Bill apparently having friends get him some action?

    “Look, we all get that you are disingenuous here. At least make an effort to not have it be so obvious.”

    The train is fine, Cochise, the train is fine.

  87. @Tiny Duck
    @Reg Cæsar

    People of a Color are more accepting of homosexuals than are whites.

    Replies: @ATate, @Reg Cæsar

    People of a Color are more accepting of homosexuals than are whites.

    Sure… if they’re paid to. Like Malcolm X.

  88. I know a handful of first generation Mexican-Americans that really like Trump’s anti-immigration policies. Makes sense from a self interest perspective, as these friends are also in jobs more likely to be competing with new immigrants.

  89. @unpc downunder
    Maybe some Hispanics are opposed to NAFTA. It isn't only working class whites who are opposed to free trade. Most people on the planet oppose free trade.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Reg Cæsar

    NAFTA ruined Mexican agriculture, which was highly labor-intensive and unable to meet US competition. The US “won” that segment of the deal, though only our farmers came out ahead.

    Twice. Once in the Mexican market, and again in the labor market. Those unemployed peons came here.

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