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From Nancy Pelosi:

PRESS RELEASES 01.26.18
Pelosi Statement on White House Immigration Framework

Washington, D.C. — Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released this statement following the White House’s latest immigration framework:

“The Administration’s anti-immigrant framework is an act of staggering cowardice which attempts to hold the DREAMers hostage to a hateful anti-immigrant scheme.

“The 50 percent cut to legal immigration in the framework and the recent announcements to end Temporary Protected Status for Central Americans and Haitians are both part of the same cruel agenda. They are part of the Trump Administration’s unmistakable campaign to make America white again.

“It is often said that America is great because America is good. We are a great country that has been blessed and reinvigorated with the faith and family values of generations of immigrants. That is why so many faith leaders, even those who support the President, have recognized that immigration strengthens our families, our churches and our communities.

“The DREAMers will not be ransomed for a hateful agenda that betrays our sacred American values.”

What can I say? Pelosi’s statement reads like a parody I might have written a few years ago.

 
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  1. that immigration strengthens our families, our churches and our communities.

    ?? … just words.

    Our Congressmen should be forced to publicly debate issues with lobbyists/advocates for the opposing side on every issue. Imagine the IQ-Squared debates but with Pelosi and Schumer on one side and NumbersUSA or VDare writers on the other. Then they could do the reverse… oh, wait, there aren’t any really anti-immigration Congressmen…

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    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    True, there are no anti-immigration members of Congress. The debates are actually pointless since it seems that there's an agenda which cannot be mentioned and that agenda is going to be realized no matter what is said in Congress.
    , @Russ
    It would be a useful rebuttal to Nancy "Make America White Again" Pelosi to note just how effectively her San Francisco has rid itself of its blacks over the past few decades.
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  2. Speaking as a racist white person: I wish.

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    • Replies: @JSM
    "Racist White Person"


    Let's do it, folks. Let's just own it, with relish, like we did Deplorables. I'm ready now to start referring to myself with the title of: A Person of Racism (parellel to Person of Color.) Who's with me?

    "As a Person of Racism, I believe..."
    , @AnotherDad
    MAWA!
    , @Father O'Hara
    Indeed. MAWA!
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  3. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    That is surely worse than Mexicans trying to turn California Mexican again.

    Btw, fewer immigrants means the original peoples of America, the Indian or Native Americans, get to keep America a little more red.

    What is the Indian opinion on this matter?

    Indians feel it was a tragedy to lose their lands to whites. But they also feel whites built a great nation.
    So, as long as Americanism was about peace and rapprochement between whites and Indians, it was good for both sides. Whites took land from Indians but recognize Indians as a people with special claim to America. So, whites need to respect Indians and take good care of the precious land, one of triumph for whites and tragedy for Indians.

    But endless massive immigration totally destroys that narrative. And it breaks the covenant between whites and reds. Reds accepted defeat and ceded the land to whites on condition that whites remain good custodians of it.

    But white elites have gone nuts. They’re in shopoholic mode. They are despoiling America by flooding it with more and more people. Worse, as American culture is now so decrepit, these new arrivals turn into gross idiots.

    It’s one thing to see things as consumer items. Things are bought, used, and disposed all the time.
    But when consumerism becomes the metaphor for everything, then even Americans aren’t merely consumers but consumer items themselves. They also exist to be disposed of and replaced by New Americans. Elites really think this way. Statue of Liberty has become a shopoholic lady addicted to acquiring New Americans like some rich shopohlic woman who always has to buy new shoes and dresses. What she has in her closet is boring since they are ‘old’. The excitement comes only with getting New Items. Since New becomes Old once they’re acquired, there is an endless demand for newer and newer. Americans are no longer people with history and culture. They are either transient consumers or consumer items. Like people in a movie theater must make way for the new audience, white Americans must make way for New Americans. Or white Americans are like a burger in the stomach. It must be pushed out by bowel movement to be replaced by new burgers. They have no right of continuity and history. No people are allowed that except for Jews and Israel.

    This consumer mentality has infected elites when it comes to Americans. They regard existing Americans as old shoes in the closet. They are madly fixated on acquiring new pairs.
    Hardly surprising in a culture dominated by homosexuals insanely obsessed with glitz and fashion. After all, there is no dirtier word than old-fashioned in the fashion world.

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    • Replies: @eD
    I'm internet illiterate enough to do the "agree" thing but this was a good comment.
    , @KenH
    The late Dr. David Yeagley, who was of Comanche Indian descent, said mass third world immigration is like losing America twice, so he was diametrically opposed toit. I hope he speaks for the vast majority of Indians because while living under the white man may not be perfect for them it's far better than anything they would get from Mexicans, or any other non-European racial group if whites become a minority a lose most political power.
    , @Anonymous
    A brief glance at comments here would discourage any of the First People from thinking this crowd has their interests at heart.

    And appreciate white ppl civilization after the murders and genocide on us? Rigghht...

    You deserve each other.
    , @JSM

    eds accepted defeat and ceded the land to whites on condition that whites remain good custodians of i
     
    t.

    Bingo. Here's the thing too: Asian / Jewish / Black / Mexican supremacists who make the argument that "Whites stole America from the Indians," so we Whites have no right to keep them out -- we should shove over so they can move in, basically -- are knowingly, by their own logic, receiving stolen goods. Since they want to move in, not give it all back to the Indian tribes, that makes them as sinful as us. So, no, they don't get to move in
    , @Gunner
    American Indians are almost fullly onboard the Coalition of Racebaiters, so I don’t think they care about immigration. They want us gone like we made them gone.
    , @TTSSYF
    I hadn't thought of it quite that way, but I think this is an interesting comment and largely true. I've thought the same thing about people who keep getting tattooed. There is a thrill after acquiring the newest one, then that feeling passes, and the desire for a new one returns. It's never enough.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, I worked with dozens, if not hundreds, of native Americans and they were for the most part pleasant to work with. In the sixties there was a small turn toward radical views, American Indian Movement (AIM), but most of the Indians I worked with and socialized with knew that their life was way better than it would be if the Europeans had not arrived on these shores. This is not to say that there wasn't a near genocidal policy towards Indians in America. Indians seem to have shorter memories than African Americans who remember slavery as if it was just yesterday.
    , @cynthia curran
    Hey, both California and Texas now have more Latinos than whites even a reform of immigration to cut chain migration is not going to make them as white as the `1960's. Pelosi never thinks that 2nd and 3rd generation Mexicans in Kern County which sometimes worked in the oil fields doesn't like her idea of constant immigration not only from Mexico but China, the Philippines, India and so forth,
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  4. “Family values?” Isn’t that some sort of racist dog-whistle phrase? Or does it simply indicate Pelosi fears homos?

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    • Replies: @415 reasons
    It means Latin and Asian immigrants have higher fertility rates than whites, so they accelerate beyond the mere numbers allowed in the arrival of the day when the Democrats will have permanent control of the government.
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  5. “Shut up and sit down, Whitey!,” Nancy Pelosi explained.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    She's pandering to her (largely white, donorwise) base.

    This is largely about white status anxiety - anxiety on behalf of themselves and their country. They want to believe that they personally are more generous than those awful Rs and that their country is so rich that she can easily afford it.

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  6. I think it is great that the political elites are showing how much they hate white people. Mostly Democrats, both also compromised Republicans like Catlin Graham. (Hat tip to Z-Man for that perfect nickname for the closeted homosexual Senator from South Carolina.)

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    • Replies: @Anonymous

    I think it is great that the political elites are showing how much they hate white people.
     
    If you say so. I think they're showing that their stranglehold upon the mass media and upon the real levers of power is so complete that they no longer have to pretend that they don't despise white people and want them all dead.

    Keeping in mind, of course, that they've trained the vast majority of white people under the age of 40 to agree with them. They are right about one more thing : there's no war on white people. Because that war is over.

    At this point it remains only to sit back and let demographic trends take their final toll. The posturing you see on the public stage is mere window dressing, to maintain morale among the troops, shock and otherwise.

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  7. Rescind CACA and get all these illegals the hell out of here NOW. There is no point arguing with psychotics. Just enforce the damn law.

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  8. These theatrics on the part of white democrats are part of a duplicitous agenda. Democrats do not want to be held responsible for amnesty.

    The first thing republicans have to understand is that the democrats know that amnesty is political poison, and this is why they see right now, while republicans hold both congress and the presidency, as the time to push it. If republicans cave and sell the American people down the river, they will be blamed (and rightfully so).

    Why didn’t democrats do amnesty in 2010? Because they knew it would be political suicide. This is exactly why they want to force republicans to do it now: so that they won’t have to take the fall.

    If republicans fall for it, the republican party does not deserve to survive.

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    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    I would also add that in the era of high speed computers, bio metric ID, and electronic sensors we could clamp down so hard on immigration both legal and illegal so hard that it could easily be cut to a trickle. The post Simpson-Mazzolli fake enforcement days are coming to an end. The population is far more red-pilled and thanks to the internet, informed, so there will be no more ineffective measures like virtual fences and voluntary E verify (boy, that worked well). What ever enforcement is enacted, it will work and will never be rolled back.
    , @MBlanc46
    Even if the Repubs don’t do amnesty now, they don’t deserve to survive.
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  9. ‘Immigration strengthens our churches’.

    Not as much as it strengthens ‘your’ mosques.

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    • Replies: @415 reasons
    I’m sure Pelosi attends a mosque as often or more often than she attends church.
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  10. “Pelosi: Trump’s “Unmistakable Campaign to Make America White Again””

    If only that were true.

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    Now that's a campaign slogan I can get behind!

    Make America White Again!

    In doing so it will also make it great. Every single of the top 10 countries of the world are primarily NW Euro stock. We build better countries!

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/07/these-countries-have-the-highest-quality-of-life
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  11. Trump Administration’s unmistakable campaign to make America white again.

    No you guys, I think this might be true. I saw some white people just the other day.

    Pelosi’s right. We need to nip this in the bud before it spreads.

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Pelosi’s right. We need to nip this in the bud before it spreads.
     
    Nancy wants a little less Trump and a little more Deputy Fife:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU5iLiEySyk
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  12. Pelosi and husband are worth 100 million and most of their money is in vineyards and restaurants. So I understand. Thus are large employers of Hispanics with many being illegal aliens. Now Nancy Pelosi is fronting as their social justice warrior in chief, while profiting off their underpaid labor. Her brown people are keeping her in the green.

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Yeah on all that, Clyde, but, I don't know about her husband, but she's like really, really old and all. Don't the two of them have any great-great-great grandchildren who are probably not even in college yet, and may have to live in the 3rd-world hole she has been helping create? Or, are the plans for them to be rich enough that "it just doesn't matter?

    I probably answered my own question. You're free to go, Clyde.
    , @Nico
    This is really the key. Why does anyone expect our Congresscritters to vote for their own impoverishment? Populists waste too much time bitching and moaning about the salaries, perks and retirement pensions of American legislators. Their real livelihoods need to be drug out and read out louder and more often.
    , @Alden
    Last I heard it was 270 million
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  13. Pelosi versus Jordan Peterson is a debate I would like to see

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    • Replies: @Forbes
    He just did in that Brit interview with Cathy Newman on UK channel 4. Essentially.
    , @stillCARealist
    Who on earth would debate him after that ubiquitous video of him sweetly steamrolling that British chick has been seen? He's pretty much set the gold standard of right-minded debate single-handedly.
    , @Currahee
    Are you kidding, are you kidding?
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  14. @Anon
    That is surely worse than Mexicans trying to turn California Mexican again.

    Btw, fewer immigrants means the original peoples of America, the Indian or Native Americans, get to keep America a little more red.

    What is the Indian opinion on this matter?

    Indians feel it was a tragedy to lose their lands to whites. But they also feel whites built a great nation.
    So, as long as Americanism was about peace and rapprochement between whites and Indians, it was good for both sides. Whites took land from Indians but recognize Indians as a people with special claim to America. So, whites need to respect Indians and take good care of the precious land, one of triumph for whites and tragedy for Indians.

    But endless massive immigration totally destroys that narrative. And it breaks the covenant between whites and reds. Reds accepted defeat and ceded the land to whites on condition that whites remain good custodians of it.

    But white elites have gone nuts. They're in shopoholic mode. They are despoiling America by flooding it with more and more people. Worse, as American culture is now so decrepit, these new arrivals turn into gross idiots.

    It's one thing to see things as consumer items. Things are bought, used, and disposed all the time.
    But when consumerism becomes the metaphor for everything, then even Americans aren't merely consumers but consumer items themselves. They also exist to be disposed of and replaced by New Americans. Elites really think this way. Statue of Liberty has become a shopoholic lady addicted to acquiring New Americans like some rich shopohlic woman who always has to buy new shoes and dresses. What she has in her closet is boring since they are 'old'. The excitement comes only with getting New Items. Since New becomes Old once they're acquired, there is an endless demand for newer and newer. Americans are no longer people with history and culture. They are either transient consumers or consumer items. Like people in a movie theater must make way for the new audience, white Americans must make way for New Americans. Or white Americans are like a burger in the stomach. It must be pushed out by bowel movement to be replaced by new burgers. They have no right of continuity and history. No people are allowed that except for Jews and Israel.

    This consumer mentality has infected elites when it comes to Americans. They regard existing Americans as old shoes in the closet. They are madly fixated on acquiring new pairs.
    Hardly surprising in a culture dominated by homosexuals insanely obsessed with glitz and fashion. After all, there is no dirtier word than old-fashioned in the fashion world.

    I’m internet illiterate enough to do the “agree” thing but this was a good comment.

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  15. Heavy on the pathos and low on the ethos and logos. If only Aristotle were alive today to give Nancy Peloso a withering critique of her puerile rhetoric.

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    • LOL: ben tillman
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  16. Leftist evil knows no bounds.

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  17. OT

    Earlier I posted the comment ‘The moral arc of the universe bends toward Serena Williams’ — I do not follow tennis closely (anymore), so before this year’s Australian Open I had not heard of Tennys Sandgren — I have not bothered to lookup his (now controversial) comments on social media — also here the Establishment wants its pound of flesh — they got former ‘bad boy’ and now cuck (apparently) John McEnroe to make a Cuckservice Announcement to set the guy straight:

    John McEnroe Gets Serious on Tennys Sandgren’s Tweets | The Commissioner of Tennis | Eurosport

    Godwin’s Law is vindicated in record time — McEnroe admits he doesn’t know the guy, and you can be pretty damn sure he also never bothered to personally lookup Sandgren’s comments — oh, and he doesn’t want to judge him — he then proceeds to judge him — in fact, that’s what the video is about — that’s its sole purpose.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Everybody knows John McEnroe must be completely politically correct in his own mind.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    There's a tennis player named Tennys? What's the odds of that?
    , @Jim Don Bob
    John McEnroe - still a dick after all these years.
    , @Dennis Dale
    New York is delusional. Remember when they gave this stiff a talk-show? A less compelling personality is hard to imagine.
    , @Anonym
    Well, there's another cuck baby boomer (but I mostly repeat myself) who I won't be sad to see fall off the perch. On tennis matters I haven't seen a better commentator but he does politics not nearly as good as he does rock music.
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  18. @Realist
    "Pelosi: Trump's "Unmistakable Campaign to Make America White Again""

    If only that were true.

    Now that’s a campaign slogan I can get behind!

    Make America White Again!

    In doing so it will also make it great. Every single of the top 10 countries of the world are primarily NW Euro stock. We build better countries!

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/07/these-countries-have-the-highest-quality-of-life

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    • Replies: @Realist
    Absolutely correct.
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  19. Visit Hamtramck, Michigan to see the future Pelosi wants for the US.

    http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/12/islamophobobia-and-destruction-of.html

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  20. @eah
    OT

    Earlier I posted the comment ‘The moral arc of the universe bends toward Serena Williams’ -- I do not follow tennis closely (anymore), so before this year's Australian Open I had not heard of Tennys Sandgren -- I have not bothered to lookup his (now controversial) comments on social media -- also here the Establishment wants its pound of flesh -- they got former 'bad boy' and now cuck (apparently) John McEnroe to make a Cuckservice Announcement to set the guy straight:

    John McEnroe Gets Serious on Tennys Sandgren's Tweets | The Commissioner of Tennis | Eurosport

    Godwin's Law is vindicated in record time -- McEnroe admits he doesn't know the guy, and you can be pretty damn sure he also never bothered to personally lookup Sandgren's comments -- oh, and he doesn't want to judge him -- he then proceeds to judge him -- in fact, that's what the video is about -- that's its sole purpose.

    Everybody knows John McEnroe must be completely politically correct in his own mind.

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  21. Imagine the things she says that don’t get air-play.

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    • Replies: @Nico
    I don’t think it would be of much interest unless she happened to be a conscious closeted racist. I for my part am fairly certain she is a True Believer. The deontological mantrum of Cartesianism - the root philosophy underlying liberalism - is transparency. You must say what you think and you must think all the right things. This explains the obsession with Thought Crimes and the casting out of those who let their tongues slip in what they believe to be “off the mic” situations: there can be no gap between what one thinks and what one says or does.
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  22. Tell me again how we ballot box our way out of this.

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  23. It’s the damn Atlantic Ocean that I hate. If it were only smaller, say the size of the Mediterranean Sea,
    then we would get all those boat people. They should be ours! We created most of those refugees. And another thing. That wall! The Donald wants to get the credit for building it. He NEVER says ‘ adding to it’, so nobody else does either. So give Obama and the others credit for building an existing wall five hundred miles long nobody knows is there.
    http://www.robertmagill.wordpress.com

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  24. If only Trump could back away from his overly generous opening gambit and simply say, “You see, folks, they care more about illegal aliens than they care for you and your children.”

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    • Replies: @Forbes
    The pitfall in judging opening gambits is that they are followed by subsequent moves and counters, and Trump, if nothing else, keeps everyone off-guard and uncertain of his next move. His negotiating style is chaotic, and prone to not revealing his intentions until the opposition reveals theirs. And as a negotiator, Trump likes operate in the driver's seat, and be pro-active--not reactive. He puts the pressure on the other side to be reactive and show their hand.

    As to suggesting he say, “You see, folks, they care more about illegal aliens than they care for you and your children,” is a move that can only be played once--and best saved for a strategic moment. A good negotiator doesn't blow all his ammunition at the outset. Politics requires patience as such policy developments can drag out for years--the DREAM Act was first proposed in 2001 and it's still being discussed in one form or another. DACA was Obama's EO in 2012, and effectively remains unresolved legislatively.

    Realistically, Trump can only move as fast as the DC sausage maker/meat grinder moves. And a good negotiator would use that to his advantage, and not concede out of a sense of urgency. The urgency is all on the open borders/pro-immigration/Pelosi side of the argument to deliver.
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  25. @Anonymous

    Trump Administration’s unmistakable campaign to make America white again.
     
    No you guys, I think this might be true. I saw some white people just the other day.

    Pelosi's right. We need to nip this in the bud before it spreads.

    Pelosi’s right. We need to nip this in the bud before it spreads.

    Nancy wants a little less Trump and a little more Deputy Fife:

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  26. @Clyde
    Pelosi and husband are worth 100 million and most of their money is in vineyards and restaurants. So I understand. Thus are large employers of Hispanics with many being illegal aliens. Now Nancy Pelosi is fronting as their social justice warrior in chief, while profiting off their underpaid labor. Her brown people are keeping her in the green.

    Yeah on all that, Clyde, but, I don’t know about her husband, but she’s like really, really old and all. Don’t the two of them have any great-great-great grandchildren who are probably not even in college yet, and may have to live in the 3rd-world hole she has been helping create? Or, are the plans for them to be rich enough that “it just doesn’t matter?

    I probably answered my own question. You’re free to go, Clyde.

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    • Replies: @Lucas McCrudy
    Here's Nancy Pelosi and her hideously white (sarc) grandchildren a number of years ago...

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jkySfZbMIPg/RZ5u0TtaP8I/AAAAAAAAAEo/3sVdlV3NDVU/s1600/Pelosi%2Bas%2BSpeaker%2Bwith%2BGrandchildren%2B%26%2Bgavel!%2B.jpg

    Maybe she does believe (if she's given it any thought at all which i doubt) that all her family's wealth and power will insulate them from the 3rd world h*llhole she's helping create. Or more likely she blithely assumes today's Guatemalans, Pakistanis and Somalis are just like yesteryears Italians, Poles and Irish and only-evil-neo-Nazis-that-want-to-murder-6-million-jews would ever entertain the notion of differences in the distribution of IQ genes across well-defined pop. groups.

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  27. @eah
    OT

    Earlier I posted the comment ‘The moral arc of the universe bends toward Serena Williams’ -- I do not follow tennis closely (anymore), so before this year's Australian Open I had not heard of Tennys Sandgren -- I have not bothered to lookup his (now controversial) comments on social media -- also here the Establishment wants its pound of flesh -- they got former 'bad boy' and now cuck (apparently) John McEnroe to make a Cuckservice Announcement to set the guy straight:

    John McEnroe Gets Serious on Tennys Sandgren's Tweets | The Commissioner of Tennis | Eurosport

    Godwin's Law is vindicated in record time -- McEnroe admits he doesn't know the guy, and you can be pretty damn sure he also never bothered to personally lookup Sandgren's comments -- oh, and he doesn't want to judge him -- he then proceeds to judge him -- in fact, that's what the video is about -- that's its sole purpose.

    There’s a tennis player named Tennys? What’s the odds of that?

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  28. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    I think it is great that the political elites are showing how much they hate white people. Mostly Democrats, both also compromised Republicans like Catlin Graham. (Hat tip to Z-Man for that perfect nickname for the closeted homosexual Senator from South Carolina.)

    I think it is great that the political elites are showing how much they hate white people.

    If you say so. I think they’re showing that their stranglehold upon the mass media and upon the real levers of power is so complete that they no longer have to pretend that they don’t despise white people and want them all dead.

    Keeping in mind, of course, that they’ve trained the vast majority of white people under the age of 40 to agree with them. They are right about one more thing : there’s no war on white people. Because that war is over.

    At this point it remains only to sit back and let demographic trends take their final toll. The posturing you see on the public stage is mere window dressing, to maintain morale among the troops, shock and otherwise.

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    • Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    If you think the war is over, you are wasting your time posting on this website. (Unless you are on the side that hates white people and you are just here to gloat.) Assuming you are not on the "hate whitey" team but you truly believe there is no hope, you are in the position of either bugging out or trying to figure out how to best serve your masters who hate you.

    I will never submit to the scum who regard me as an impediment to their quest for power.

    And I do not believe the war is over. In fact, I believe a large number of people on my side are just now waking up to the fact that there is war being waged on them. Recent statements like those made by Pelosi, Brett Stevens, and the repugnant Bill Kristol will only serve to awaken more people on my side.

    So let them run their mouths. I don't know if it is hubris (as you seem to think) or desperation. But either way, it is not having the intended effect.
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  29. “But when consumerism becomes the metaphor for everything, then even Americans aren’t merely consumers but consumer items themselves. They also exist to be disposed of and replaced by New Americans. Elites really think this way [emphasis added].”

    Yes, elites really do think like that–often, but not always. We have a few folks commenting here who are or seem to be elites by virtue of current or onetime position, income or wealth, special expertise, persuasiveness, and so on, and they’re not on board with the idea of leveraging “forced immigration”, minority demands, and economic globalization to keep the current American citizenry down and under control. Those folks do believe in tempering raw economic interest with a decent respect for, as you say, “continuity and history”.

    Good comment with an interesting take, Anon. Can you think of a screen name?

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    Good comment with an interesting take, Anon. Can you think of a screen name?
     
    If anyone has proven he can think of a screen name, it is Anon.
    , @SimpleSong
    This is a good point--reading the comments here it becomes very apparent very quickly this is an unusually sharp commentariat, and I would assume this translates into some degree of real-world influence. It is also unusually friendly, even during disagreements, which I think is a sign that many of the commenters are in positions of real-world influence. People with actual authority don't get upset that someone anonymously disagrees with them on the internet. I'm not sure if Steve is doing a lot of filtering or how it is happening, but the results are pretty impressive.

    I don't get the impression that it is a large group (either of readers or commenters) compared to more mainstream sites. However it seems to have a relatively high proportion of people who get smacked in the face by physical reality a lot. Lots of physicists, it seems, as well as mathematicians and other physical scientists/engineers. Lots of physicians and law enforcement, as well--they get it two ways; lots of exposure to the ultimate indifference of nature, as well as constant exposure to HBD.

    I also think there are some journos lurking here as well. Occasionally I read an opinion piece that reminds me a lot of a comment on iSteve; but more fleshed out and made more politically palatable.
    I'm not sure if people are trying out their material, or running with other people's material. (To be clear I don't think there is anything morally wrong with either of these, free exchange of ideas and all, and I can't really be sure that this is happening.)

    Also, I'm pretty sure Tiny Duck is a University President somewhere.
    , @Forbes
    Consumers--people- as a commodity item, as widgets. One replaceable with another. All the globalist arguments for open borders and increased immigration are based on the notion that economic growth is caused by/a result of population growth. The argument fails to note that the lottery-like wealth obtained in tech, e.g. Gates, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Ellison, et al., are due to penetrating foreign markets--not simply due to product domination in the US market. It's income growth and wealth due to the product/service made available to global consumers--not importing the end-user consumer into the confines of the US.
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  31. “What can I say? Pelosi’s statement reads like a parody I might have written a few years ago.”

    Our world of Liberal Democratic Globalism has produced something at least as insane as Stalin’s USSR. Our ‘responsible,’ ‘mainstream’ politicians, journalists, legal minds, and church leaders now sound as if they are characters in some unpublished Mikhail Bulgakov novel.

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  32. “America is great because America is good.” She’s speaking of a country whose every war before 1941 was a war of American aggression. As, you might argue, has been her every war since 1945 bar her invasion of Afghanistan.

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    As, you might argue, has been her every war since 1945 bar her invasion of Afghanistan.
     
    Dunno if I would describe the Korean War as a "war of American aggression." You know, what with North Korea starting it by invading the South....

    “America is great because America is good.” She’s speaking of a country whose every war before 1941 was a war of American aggression.

     

    I wasn't aware that "American aggression" started World War 1. And I'm not sure that the First Barbary War counts as "American aggression," seeing as how it was a response to attacks upon american merchant ships.....
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  33. @Clyde
    Pelosi and husband are worth 100 million and most of their money is in vineyards and restaurants. So I understand. Thus are large employers of Hispanics with many being illegal aliens. Now Nancy Pelosi is fronting as their social justice warrior in chief, while profiting off their underpaid labor. Her brown people are keeping her in the green.

    This is really the key. Why does anyone expect our Congresscritters to vote for their own impoverishment? Populists waste too much time bitching and moaning about the salaries, perks and retirement pensions of American legislators. Their real livelihoods need to be drug out and read out louder and more often.

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  34. I wonder how they see immigration strengthening the church? Christian values have been pushed out of public life over the decades, things like abortion, homosexuality, divorce, pornography, Christian symbols in public, praying in public, etc. All of these anti Christian things have grown as immigration increased.

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    That's because traditional Catholic Mexicans wouldn't vote Democrat without the immigration issue. "abortion, homosexuality, divorce, pornography, Christian symbols in public, praying in public" are non-negotiable to trad Catholics, so the blackmail/bribery had to be "We will keep you and your 37 cousins here," with the quiet caveat being shut your mouth about moral values.
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  35. Never thought I would see the day that chain immigration would be a familiar term to most Americans and an important issue to address.

    This blog has done so much to give this country a chance .

    I think it will be cruel to deport the DACA people, but in no way should they begin a path to citizenship either. If they become citizens their parents and other multiple relatives become citizens.

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  36. They are part of the Trump Administration’s unmistakable campaign to make America white again.

    Correct, Nancy. But it’s all a response to Democrat and RINO’s drive to make America Brown again. And Democrat.

    Besides, we LOVE our Hispanic housekeepers. Because well, you know, the Blacks, they steal..

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  37. MAWA !

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  38. It’s weird — sick, really — to see white politicians using the term “white” as an epithet.

    I sure do hope that Trump’s agenda is to make America white again, because Pelosi’s agenda is white genocide. Pelosi’s America is one in which the white males have anal intercourse with each other, white females abort all the white babies, and we import brown people from Mexico and Guatemala to take the place of the white American kids who were never born.

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    It’s weird — sick, really — to see white politicians using the term “white” as an epithet.
     
    What's weird about it?

    Deracination is the price of admission to their class.

    Now that it's bled into denationalization (i.e. de-Americanization) and now de-Westernization in the institutions charged with carrying it out, deracination doesn't seem the unalloyed good it once did when Nancy was going through.

    But it did then and she's not much for keeping up with things.
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  39. @Anon
    That is surely worse than Mexicans trying to turn California Mexican again.

    Btw, fewer immigrants means the original peoples of America, the Indian or Native Americans, get to keep America a little more red.

    What is the Indian opinion on this matter?

    Indians feel it was a tragedy to lose their lands to whites. But they also feel whites built a great nation.
    So, as long as Americanism was about peace and rapprochement between whites and Indians, it was good for both sides. Whites took land from Indians but recognize Indians as a people with special claim to America. So, whites need to respect Indians and take good care of the precious land, one of triumph for whites and tragedy for Indians.

    But endless massive immigration totally destroys that narrative. And it breaks the covenant between whites and reds. Reds accepted defeat and ceded the land to whites on condition that whites remain good custodians of it.

    But white elites have gone nuts. They're in shopoholic mode. They are despoiling America by flooding it with more and more people. Worse, as American culture is now so decrepit, these new arrivals turn into gross idiots.

    It's one thing to see things as consumer items. Things are bought, used, and disposed all the time.
    But when consumerism becomes the metaphor for everything, then even Americans aren't merely consumers but consumer items themselves. They also exist to be disposed of and replaced by New Americans. Elites really think this way. Statue of Liberty has become a shopoholic lady addicted to acquiring New Americans like some rich shopohlic woman who always has to buy new shoes and dresses. What she has in her closet is boring since they are 'old'. The excitement comes only with getting New Items. Since New becomes Old once they're acquired, there is an endless demand for newer and newer. Americans are no longer people with history and culture. They are either transient consumers or consumer items. Like people in a movie theater must make way for the new audience, white Americans must make way for New Americans. Or white Americans are like a burger in the stomach. It must be pushed out by bowel movement to be replaced by new burgers. They have no right of continuity and history. No people are allowed that except for Jews and Israel.

    This consumer mentality has infected elites when it comes to Americans. They regard existing Americans as old shoes in the closet. They are madly fixated on acquiring new pairs.
    Hardly surprising in a culture dominated by homosexuals insanely obsessed with glitz and fashion. After all, there is no dirtier word than old-fashioned in the fashion world.

    The late Dr. David Yeagley, who was of Comanche Indian descent, said mass third world immigration is like losing America twice, so he was diametrically opposed toit. I hope he speaks for the vast majority of Indians because while living under the white man may not be perfect for them it’s far better than anything they would get from Mexicans, or any other non-European racial group if whites become a minority a lose most political power.

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    I didn't know that David Yeagley had died. I used to read him at Front Page Mag, but I haven't looked at that site in some time. I'm sorry to hear that. R.I.P.
    , @Paleo Liberal
    I am mostly white, but a member of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma.

    I can tell you a few things.

    First, there is NO standard Indian opinion. I always said, if you put 4 Indians together you will get at least 5 different opinions.

    Also, most Indians HATE to have someone speak for them. There was a lot of animosity against Yeagley because (a) he seemed to claim to speak for all Indians and (b) they thought he was too subservient to whites.

    However, here are some facts:

    Go to any pow-wow. Veterans are servicemen are honored at pow-wows, ALWAYS. White people are NOT permitted to dance, but in some situations at SOME pow-wows, white vets will be invited to march with Indian vets. (Sorry, but rules are rules. Also, ladies are NOT permitted to drum. It just isn't done). In fact, there are some functions at pow-wows that ONLY veterans are permitted to perform.

    Indians have served in our armed forces far more than any other group of people. Indians have been protecting this land forever, and will continue to do so.

    I had mixed feelings about Dr. Yeagley. I saw his points, and I understood why some people whom I respected disliked him.

    However, and this is speaking ONLY for myself, I am sympathetic to his point.

    My Indian ancestors welcomed the white newcomers. My tribe split apart, and even had a decades-long civil war, because of the fights between those who welcomed the whites and those who did not. My male Indian ancestors were killed, after they had kids at least.

    I can see massive immigration, and the exploitation of immigrants, can cause horrible wars.
    Such as the Cherokee Civil War, which at one point had the pro-white side fighting for the Confederates while the anti-white side fought for the Union. My Indian ancestors fought with the South.
    Or, how about the Texas War of Independence? Mexico let in unlimited immigrants, and what did they do? Fought a war against their adopted country, and eventually joined their old country.
    Or, how about the American Civil War? Lots of cheap labor brought over in chain migration. Led to what was the most violent war up to that point.
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  40. @dr kill
    Imagine the things she says that don't get air-play.

    I don’t think it would be of much interest unless she happened to be a conscious closeted racist. I for my part am fairly certain she is a True Believer. The deontological mantrum of Cartesianism – the root philosophy underlying liberalism – is transparency. You must say what you think and you must think all the right things. This explains the obsession with Thought Crimes and the casting out of those who let their tongues slip in what they believe to be “off the mic” situations: there can be no gap between what one thinks and what one says or does.

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  41. The Democrat party is just the party of ultra left wing and anti-white demagoguery. They are deliberately and with malice aforethought permanently altering America’s demographics to favor a non-white third world majority since that will deliver total political control to the Democrats and their (((donors))).

    But the joke will be on Pelosi and (((Chucky Schumer))) since white Democrats are only being tolerated as useful idiots by the third world population. It’s only a matter of time before their constituents rudely muscle them aside in favor of people who have more melanin than they do.

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    Your comments are a statement of undeniable fact. Which brings me to wonder why middle-class Democrats cannot see the obvious and how it will adversely affect their lives and the lives of children and grandchildren in the not too distant future. Why can't they see that race suicide will be the inevitable result.

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  42. Pelosi, you magnificent bitch, you’ve read my book! (Now in its second, embiggened edition!)

    White = fag, Dark = family values.

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  43. @Anon
    That is surely worse than Mexicans trying to turn California Mexican again.

    Btw, fewer immigrants means the original peoples of America, the Indian or Native Americans, get to keep America a little more red.

    What is the Indian opinion on this matter?

    Indians feel it was a tragedy to lose their lands to whites. But they also feel whites built a great nation.
    So, as long as Americanism was about peace and rapprochement between whites and Indians, it was good for both sides. Whites took land from Indians but recognize Indians as a people with special claim to America. So, whites need to respect Indians and take good care of the precious land, one of triumph for whites and tragedy for Indians.

    But endless massive immigration totally destroys that narrative. And it breaks the covenant between whites and reds. Reds accepted defeat and ceded the land to whites on condition that whites remain good custodians of it.

    But white elites have gone nuts. They're in shopoholic mode. They are despoiling America by flooding it with more and more people. Worse, as American culture is now so decrepit, these new arrivals turn into gross idiots.

    It's one thing to see things as consumer items. Things are bought, used, and disposed all the time.
    But when consumerism becomes the metaphor for everything, then even Americans aren't merely consumers but consumer items themselves. They also exist to be disposed of and replaced by New Americans. Elites really think this way. Statue of Liberty has become a shopoholic lady addicted to acquiring New Americans like some rich shopohlic woman who always has to buy new shoes and dresses. What she has in her closet is boring since they are 'old'. The excitement comes only with getting New Items. Since New becomes Old once they're acquired, there is an endless demand for newer and newer. Americans are no longer people with history and culture. They are either transient consumers or consumer items. Like people in a movie theater must make way for the new audience, white Americans must make way for New Americans. Or white Americans are like a burger in the stomach. It must be pushed out by bowel movement to be replaced by new burgers. They have no right of continuity and history. No people are allowed that except for Jews and Israel.

    This consumer mentality has infected elites when it comes to Americans. They regard existing Americans as old shoes in the closet. They are madly fixated on acquiring new pairs.
    Hardly surprising in a culture dominated by homosexuals insanely obsessed with glitz and fashion. After all, there is no dirtier word than old-fashioned in the fashion world.

    A brief glance at comments here would discourage any of the First People from thinking this crowd has their interests at heart.

    And appreciate white ppl civilization after the murders and genocide on us? Rigghht…

    You deserve each other.

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    The Pequot were quite happy to have the pilgrims as allies in their war against their hereditary enemies like the Narragansett. They both lost in the century long Darwinian struggle for the continent? Boo 'effing hoo. American Indians can leave the reservation anytime they want. It's not like there's a wall keeping them there.
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  44. @Anon
    That is surely worse than Mexicans trying to turn California Mexican again.

    Btw, fewer immigrants means the original peoples of America, the Indian or Native Americans, get to keep America a little more red.

    What is the Indian opinion on this matter?

    Indians feel it was a tragedy to lose their lands to whites. But they also feel whites built a great nation.
    So, as long as Americanism was about peace and rapprochement between whites and Indians, it was good for both sides. Whites took land from Indians but recognize Indians as a people with special claim to America. So, whites need to respect Indians and take good care of the precious land, one of triumph for whites and tragedy for Indians.

    But endless massive immigration totally destroys that narrative. And it breaks the covenant between whites and reds. Reds accepted defeat and ceded the land to whites on condition that whites remain good custodians of it.

    But white elites have gone nuts. They're in shopoholic mode. They are despoiling America by flooding it with more and more people. Worse, as American culture is now so decrepit, these new arrivals turn into gross idiots.

    It's one thing to see things as consumer items. Things are bought, used, and disposed all the time.
    But when consumerism becomes the metaphor for everything, then even Americans aren't merely consumers but consumer items themselves. They also exist to be disposed of and replaced by New Americans. Elites really think this way. Statue of Liberty has become a shopoholic lady addicted to acquiring New Americans like some rich shopohlic woman who always has to buy new shoes and dresses. What she has in her closet is boring since they are 'old'. The excitement comes only with getting New Items. Since New becomes Old once they're acquired, there is an endless demand for newer and newer. Americans are no longer people with history and culture. They are either transient consumers or consumer items. Like people in a movie theater must make way for the new audience, white Americans must make way for New Americans. Or white Americans are like a burger in the stomach. It must be pushed out by bowel movement to be replaced by new burgers. They have no right of continuity and history. No people are allowed that except for Jews and Israel.

    This consumer mentality has infected elites when it comes to Americans. They regard existing Americans as old shoes in the closet. They are madly fixated on acquiring new pairs.
    Hardly surprising in a culture dominated by homosexuals insanely obsessed with glitz and fashion. After all, there is no dirtier word than old-fashioned in the fashion world.

    eds accepted defeat and ceded the land to whites on condition that whites remain good custodians of i

    t.

    Bingo. Here’s the thing too: Asian / Jewish / Black / Mexican supremacists who make the argument that “Whites stole America from the Indians,” so we Whites have no right to keep them out — we should shove over so they can move in, basically — are knowingly, by their own logic, receiving stolen goods. Since they want to move in, not give it all back to the Indian tribes, that makes them as sinful as us. So, no, they don’t get to move in

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  45. @Anon
    That is surely worse than Mexicans trying to turn California Mexican again.

    Btw, fewer immigrants means the original peoples of America, the Indian or Native Americans, get to keep America a little more red.

    What is the Indian opinion on this matter?

    Indians feel it was a tragedy to lose their lands to whites. But they also feel whites built a great nation.
    So, as long as Americanism was about peace and rapprochement between whites and Indians, it was good for both sides. Whites took land from Indians but recognize Indians as a people with special claim to America. So, whites need to respect Indians and take good care of the precious land, one of triumph for whites and tragedy for Indians.

    But endless massive immigration totally destroys that narrative. And it breaks the covenant between whites and reds. Reds accepted defeat and ceded the land to whites on condition that whites remain good custodians of it.

    But white elites have gone nuts. They're in shopoholic mode. They are despoiling America by flooding it with more and more people. Worse, as American culture is now so decrepit, these new arrivals turn into gross idiots.

    It's one thing to see things as consumer items. Things are bought, used, and disposed all the time.
    But when consumerism becomes the metaphor for everything, then even Americans aren't merely consumers but consumer items themselves. They also exist to be disposed of and replaced by New Americans. Elites really think this way. Statue of Liberty has become a shopoholic lady addicted to acquiring New Americans like some rich shopohlic woman who always has to buy new shoes and dresses. What she has in her closet is boring since they are 'old'. The excitement comes only with getting New Items. Since New becomes Old once they're acquired, there is an endless demand for newer and newer. Americans are no longer people with history and culture. They are either transient consumers or consumer items. Like people in a movie theater must make way for the new audience, white Americans must make way for New Americans. Or white Americans are like a burger in the stomach. It must be pushed out by bowel movement to be replaced by new burgers. They have no right of continuity and history. No people are allowed that except for Jews and Israel.

    This consumer mentality has infected elites when it comes to Americans. They regard existing Americans as old shoes in the closet. They are madly fixated on acquiring new pairs.
    Hardly surprising in a culture dominated by homosexuals insanely obsessed with glitz and fashion. After all, there is no dirtier word than old-fashioned in the fashion world.

    American Indians are almost fullly onboard the Coalition of Racebaiters, so I don’t think they care about immigration. They want us gone like we made them gone.

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    That's disastrously short-term. No matter how badly they hate the whites, the replacement populations will have zero guilt towards blacks, and even less towards the tribes. Say goodbye to the casinos and land rights... living rez-style is going to be hard even in a black ghetto.

    Then again, red nationalists failed to learn that complete racial exclusivity has made them a footnote in American history. I'd be surprised if they learned any new lessons.
    , @ben tillman

    American Indians are almost fullly onboard the Coalition of Racebaiters . . . .
     
    That's not what I've seen.
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  46. @guest
    Speaking as a racist white person: I wish.

    “Racist White Person”

    Let’s do it, folks. Let’s just own it, with relish, like we did Deplorables. I’m ready now to start referring to myself with the title of: A Person of Racism (parellel to Person of Color.) Who’s with me?

    “As a Person of Racism, I believe…”

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    No. I reject the terms "racism" and "racist" and refer to them in scare quotes. I use "so-called" to disparage them. PC and its ancestor, Marxism, created the terms as weapons to be used in a war against white people. Using their terms is how we lose.

    Instead I use a language of "anti-white" to refer to the anti-white actions of the left, the cucks, and many Jews. Occasionally anti-Gentile, but I find anti-white is clearer. It's not like their own "anti-Semitic" is particularly clear, as others have said, it's not like they ever use the term to refer to anti-Arab speech.

    I find that the term anti-white is gaining a lot of currency. Our opponents are anti-white. We are white identitarians, or pro-white, or WN. But definitely race realists.
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  47. In retrospect (though it’s only been a few days) Trump’s generous DACA offer was brilliant because the Democrats were never going to go for it no matter how generous it was short of complete open borders. Trump gets to look like a moderate to sane people ( “I offered 1.8 million Dreamers a path to citizenship”) while no actual legislation gets passed. Trump doesn’t really need any new legislation or walls – all he needs to do is enforce the laws we already have in a serious way. If he can get control of the bureaucracy, the laws on the books are already good enough to get rid of people who are here illegally – all that has been missing was the will to enforce the laws that already exist.

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    This is sort of true. Trump can crack down on refugees and H visas meeting the already existing standards, and of course he can not amnesty the DACA people. But in all likelihood Trump is only going to be a one term President and the Democrats will be back in the majority in Congress in 2018 or 2020. Looking longer term it may be now or in the next decade that Republicans have their last majority in Congress or their last Presidency. If there are no changes in the laws then any reduction in immigration will be totally reversed after Trumps term ends. Hell, even if they do change the laws the Democrats will find a way eventually to the turn the spigot back on, it will probably just take them a year or two extra.
    , @Nico
    One other thing that can be done is the federal government guarantees the wages of any employee of a sanctuary locality (state, county, city) who is disciplined for refusing the local ordinance to cooperate with federal immigration authorities. Employees who do comply should be arrested by the F.B.I. and charged with willful complicity in a federal crime. Imagine the glorious spectacle of civil servants rising up against local governments.
    , @International Jew

    Trump gets to look like a moderate to sane people
     
    I can't agree with that. Trump needs to hammer away at the idea that we're a nation of laws, and that no one, much less a class of people numbering a million or more, gets an exemption from the laws. It's a matter of pushing the Overton Window to where we want it to be.

    It's very unfortunate that DACA has now become the moderate position. When Obama decreed it, most Republicans would have told you DACA was an outrage and represented an illegal abuse of Presidential power.
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  48. @Anon
    That is surely worse than Mexicans trying to turn California Mexican again.

    Btw, fewer immigrants means the original peoples of America, the Indian or Native Americans, get to keep America a little more red.

    What is the Indian opinion on this matter?

    Indians feel it was a tragedy to lose their lands to whites. But they also feel whites built a great nation.
    So, as long as Americanism was about peace and rapprochement between whites and Indians, it was good for both sides. Whites took land from Indians but recognize Indians as a people with special claim to America. So, whites need to respect Indians and take good care of the precious land, one of triumph for whites and tragedy for Indians.

    But endless massive immigration totally destroys that narrative. And it breaks the covenant between whites and reds. Reds accepted defeat and ceded the land to whites on condition that whites remain good custodians of it.

    But white elites have gone nuts. They're in shopoholic mode. They are despoiling America by flooding it with more and more people. Worse, as American culture is now so decrepit, these new arrivals turn into gross idiots.

    It's one thing to see things as consumer items. Things are bought, used, and disposed all the time.
    But when consumerism becomes the metaphor for everything, then even Americans aren't merely consumers but consumer items themselves. They also exist to be disposed of and replaced by New Americans. Elites really think this way. Statue of Liberty has become a shopoholic lady addicted to acquiring New Americans like some rich shopohlic woman who always has to buy new shoes and dresses. What she has in her closet is boring since they are 'old'. The excitement comes only with getting New Items. Since New becomes Old once they're acquired, there is an endless demand for newer and newer. Americans are no longer people with history and culture. They are either transient consumers or consumer items. Like people in a movie theater must make way for the new audience, white Americans must make way for New Americans. Or white Americans are like a burger in the stomach. It must be pushed out by bowel movement to be replaced by new burgers. They have no right of continuity and history. No people are allowed that except for Jews and Israel.

    This consumer mentality has infected elites when it comes to Americans. They regard existing Americans as old shoes in the closet. They are madly fixated on acquiring new pairs.
    Hardly surprising in a culture dominated by homosexuals insanely obsessed with glitz and fashion. After all, there is no dirtier word than old-fashioned in the fashion world.

    I hadn’t thought of it quite that way, but I think this is an interesting comment and largely true. I’ve thought the same thing about people who keep getting tattooed. There is a thrill after acquiring the newest one, then that feeling passes, and the desire for a new one returns. It’s never enough.

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  49. I can’t wait for the SOTU. It’s said DACA people will be there, but how will it play out? DACA have been turning on Democrats for throwing them under the bus in their larger scheme to keep the borders open forever. DACA may well turn on them at the SOTU. I recall Trump telling DACA people that “you will love me more than the Democrats” and the god emperor may be right again, because Trump is now appearing as their friend (he’ll give them amnesty & a path) while the Democrats are coming off as the party of No.

    This is exciting. And you know Trump has something up his sleeve for the occasion.

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  50. “It may appear to be the interest of the rulers, and the rich of a state, to force population, and thereby lower the price of labour, and consequently the expense of fleets and armies, and the cost of manufactures for foreign sale; but every attempt of the kind should be carefully watched and strenuously resisted by the friends of the poor, particularly when it comes under the deceitful guise of benevolence…”
    T.R. Malthus, “An Essay on the Principle of Population”, 1798

    The Democratic party is not ‘liberal’ and they have not lost their minds. This fight is all about the enormous profits that come from ever cheaper labor. The Democratic rank-and-file are completely brainwashed, they think exactly as they are told. Witness their worship of Obama even as he stabbed them in the back on the Wall Street Bailouts, spending trillions on pointless wars that enriched politically connected defense contractors etc. The Republican party leadership also serves their wealthy donors and wants cheap labor, but the republican rank and file is still paying attention. They (mostly) won’t vote for a candidate who grossly betrays their interests. Hence the tension.

    But all this talk of compassion and morality is so much smokescreen. Do you really think that people like Nancy Pelosi and her wealthy patrons, who have no problem bombing places like Libya into the stone age for no good reason and spreading death and slaughter in ever more countries, care a fig about illegal immigrants? They would machine gun these illegals at the border if the rich found that profitable, and nary a tear shed.

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    The Democratic party is not ‘liberal’ and they have not lost their minds. This fight is all about the enormous profits that come from ever cheaper labor
     
    But it's all short-term. It's treating the world as a commons. It will result in their death as surely as ours. They have indeed lost their minds.
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  51. @guest
    "Family values?" Isn't that some sort of racist dog-whistle phrase? Or does it simply indicate Pelosi fears homos?

    It means Latin and Asian immigrants have higher fertility rates than whites, so they accelerate beyond the mere numbers allowed in the arrival of the day when the Democrats will have permanent control of the government.

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  52. @Anonymous
    'Immigration strengthens our churches'.

    Not as much as it strengthens 'your' mosques.

    I’m sure Pelosi attends a mosque as often or more often than she attends church.

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  53. @Jack D
    In retrospect (though it's only been a few days) Trump's generous DACA offer was brilliant because the Democrats were never going to go for it no matter how generous it was short of complete open borders. Trump gets to look like a moderate to sane people ( "I offered 1.8 million Dreamers a path to citizenship") while no actual legislation gets passed. Trump doesn't really need any new legislation or walls - all he needs to do is enforce the laws we already have in a serious way. If he can get control of the bureaucracy, the laws on the books are already good enough to get rid of people who are here illegally - all that has been missing was the will to enforce the laws that already exist.

    This is sort of true. Trump can crack down on refugees and H visas meeting the already existing standards, and of course he can not amnesty the DACA people. But in all likelihood Trump is only going to be a one term President and the Democrats will be back in the majority in Congress in 2018 or 2020. Looking longer term it may be now or in the next decade that Republicans have their last majority in Congress or their last Presidency. If there are no changes in the laws then any reduction in immigration will be totally reversed after Trumps term ends. Hell, even if they do change the laws the Democrats will find a way eventually to the turn the spigot back on, it will probably just take them a year or two extra.

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  54. Is she mad that he’s interfering with their openly-stated plans for the “browning” of America?

    I don’t see what difference it should make if America was all-white, since every group of people, everywhere in the world, is exactly the same as every other group.

    I’d like her to explain.

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  55. As if her party doesn’t advocate “Make America browner faster.”

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  56. @eah
    OT

    Earlier I posted the comment ‘The moral arc of the universe bends toward Serena Williams’ -- I do not follow tennis closely (anymore), so before this year's Australian Open I had not heard of Tennys Sandgren -- I have not bothered to lookup his (now controversial) comments on social media -- also here the Establishment wants its pound of flesh -- they got former 'bad boy' and now cuck (apparently) John McEnroe to make a Cuckservice Announcement to set the guy straight:

    John McEnroe Gets Serious on Tennys Sandgren's Tweets | The Commissioner of Tennis | Eurosport

    Godwin's Law is vindicated in record time -- McEnroe admits he doesn't know the guy, and you can be pretty damn sure he also never bothered to personally lookup Sandgren's comments -- oh, and he doesn't want to judge him -- he then proceeds to judge him -- in fact, that's what the video is about -- that's its sole purpose.

    John McEnroe – still a dick after all these years.

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  57. @Chrisnonymous

    that immigration strengthens our families, our churches and our communities.
     
    ?? ... just words.

    Our Congressmen should be forced to publicly debate issues with lobbyists/advocates for the opposing side on every issue. Imagine the IQ-Squared debates but with Pelosi and Schumer on one side and NumbersUSA or VDare writers on the other. Then they could do the reverse... oh, wait, there aren't any really anti-immigration Congressmen...

    True, there are no anti-immigration members of Congress. The debates are actually pointless since it seems that there’s an agenda which cannot be mentioned and that agenda is going to be realized no matter what is said in Congress.

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  58. in reality the Democrats and the GOP establishment wants amnesty and porous borders to make America Less Blackety Black Black…massive Immigration reduced the Black Population of California from 10% to below 6% today. Immigration over the last 30 years has resulted in a Less Black America…
    The Black population has doubled from 1970…from 21 Million Blacks to 43 million Blacks today…as the White population has remained the same…175 million to 195 million today (with 90% of the small growth due to immigration)

    If we had eliminated immigration in 1980 the Population today would be almost 20% Black instead of 12% Black….of the 43 million Blacks in America today, just 1.5 million are immigrants…while of the 197 million whites in America 5 million are Immigrants.

    Granting amnesty to 3 million Latinos makes America less Black…Allowing 9 million Asians to immigrate makes America less Black….Chain migration of Latinos and Asians makes America less Black…H1B visas makes America less Black…As Latinos and Asians out-numbers whites they will put a quick end to the refugees programs, and the diversity lottery will end as Latinos and Asians despise Africans and Muslims. Asians and Latin nations do not grant Aid to Israel , nor do they accepts refugees from Africa, not will they send aid to Africa…

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  59. @Jack D
    In retrospect (though it's only been a few days) Trump's generous DACA offer was brilliant because the Democrats were never going to go for it no matter how generous it was short of complete open borders. Trump gets to look like a moderate to sane people ( "I offered 1.8 million Dreamers a path to citizenship") while no actual legislation gets passed. Trump doesn't really need any new legislation or walls - all he needs to do is enforce the laws we already have in a serious way. If he can get control of the bureaucracy, the laws on the books are already good enough to get rid of people who are here illegally - all that has been missing was the will to enforce the laws that already exist.

    One other thing that can be done is the federal government guarantees the wages of any employee of a sanctuary locality (state, county, city) who is disciplined for refusing the local ordinance to cooperate with federal immigration authorities. Employees who do comply should be arrested by the F.B.I. and charged with willful complicity in a federal crime. Imagine the glorious spectacle of civil servants rising up against local governments.

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  60. @Anonymous
    A brief glance at comments here would discourage any of the First People from thinking this crowd has their interests at heart.

    And appreciate white ppl civilization after the murders and genocide on us? Rigghht...

    You deserve each other.

    The Pequot were quite happy to have the pilgrims as allies in their war against their hereditary enemies like the Narragansett. They both lost in the century long Darwinian struggle for the continent? Boo ‘effing hoo. American Indians can leave the reservation anytime they want. It’s not like there’s a wall keeping them there.

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    Yes, and now you're losing the struggle for the continent and claim righteousness? Boo effing hoo.
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  61. “The 50 percent cut to legal immigration in the framework and the recent announcements to end Temporary Protected Status for Central Americans and Haitians are both part of the same cruel agenda.

    Well the program does have the word “temporary” in the title, doesn’t it?

    Open borders advocates are so brazenly dishonest and anti-white that they’ve become parodies of themselves.

    They get in a rage when a program they call “temporary” isn’t treated as permanent.

    They claim “anchor baby” is a xenophobic term then tell us we can’t deport illegals because of the children they’ve had while living here.

    They bash the nuclear family in every other context but then demand that immigrants have the right to move their entire clan to the country to prevent “breaking up families,” when the easiest way to prevent family breakup would be not to let people immigrate here to begin with.

    They tell us one enforcement plan after another won’t work – eVerify, denying them drivers licenses, denying their kids access to public education, building a wall – then fight tooth and nail against even testing the measures to see if they would work – because their real fear is that they would work.

    They talk about “cruel” cuts to legal immigration while always neglecting to mention the immense number of people we allow to immigration each year (over 1.1 million per year).

    They talk about population replacement as a duty of the United States while, if the situation were reversed, they would call it evil Western colonialism.

    They throw the book at people who break even minor laws that they prefer, perfectly willing to destroy lives and career over even minor cases of real (or alleged) discrimination or sexual harassment, then demand that we forgive crimes of people who flagrantly break our immigration laws.

    They do absolutely every single thing they can to undermine laws actually on the books, written and passed by Congress, while creating programs (DACA, DAPA) with no congressional authority whatsoever.

    Then they wonder why we won’t sit down and make a deal with them.

    And they wonder why the American people get angrier and angrier about the issue and elect a guy who talks the way Donald Trump talks.

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    So, the USA's black population doubled in under 50 years.
    A fact usually kept very quiet - and a growth rate typical of third world nations.

    Curiously, whilst the American white population saw only very modest growth in that half century, black Americans evidently had the resources, confidence and wherewithal to double their numbers - despite the incessant whining bewailing their 'intolerable' lives, which then, as now, formed the drub drub drub persistent soundtrack to their existence.
    , @International Jew
    nice
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    @Wilkey
    “The 50 percent cut to legal immigration in the framework and the recent announcements to end Temporary Protected Status for Central Americans and Haitians are both part of the same cruel agenda.

    Well the program does have the word "temporary" in the title, doesn't it?

    Open borders advocates are so brazenly dishonest and anti-white that they've become parodies of themselves.

    They get in a rage when a program they call "temporary" isn't treated as permanent.

    They claim "anchor baby" is a xenophobic term then tell us we can't deport illegals because of the children they've had while living here.

    They bash the nuclear family in every other context but then demand that immigrants have the right to move their entire clan to the country to prevent "breaking up families," when the easiest way to prevent family breakup would be not to let people immigrate here to begin with.

    They tell us one enforcement plan after another won't work - eVerify, denying them drivers licenses, denying their kids access to public education, building a wall - then fight tooth and nail against even testing the measures to see if they would work - because their real fear is that they would work.

    They talk about "cruel" cuts to legal immigration while always neglecting to mention the immense number of people we allow to immigration each year (over 1.1 million per year).

    They talk about population replacement as a duty of the United States while, if the situation were reversed, they would call it evil Western colonialism.

    They throw the book at people who break even minor laws that they prefer, perfectly willing to destroy lives and career over even minor cases of real (or alleged) discrimination or sexual harassment, then demand that we forgive crimes of people who flagrantly break our immigration laws.

    They do absolutely every single thing they can to undermine laws actually on the books, written and passed by Congress, while creating programs (DACA, DAPA) with no congressional authority whatsoever.

    Then they wonder why we won't sit down and make a deal with them.

    And they wonder why the American people get angrier and angrier about the issue and elect a guy who talks the way Donald Trump talks.

    So, the USA’s black population doubled in under 50 years.
    A fact usually kept very quiet – and a growth rate typical of third world nations.

    Curiously, whilst the American white population saw only very modest growth in that half century, black Americans evidently had the resources, confidence and wherewithal to double their numbers – despite the incessant whining bewailing their ‘intolerable’ lives, which then, as now, formed the drub drub drub persistent soundtrack to their existence.

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    So, the USA’s black population doubled in under 50 years. A fact usually kept very quiet – and a growth rate typical of third world nations.

    About 13% of the population is black. That's the same % it was in 1860. In the intervening 150-odd years that % has fluctuated within a narrow band.

    The total fertility rate of the black population is currently 2.1 children per woman per lifetime, i.e. the replacement rate. Their avenues for natural increase consist of (1) improvements in life expectancy and (2) incorporation of a small number of non-blacks through miscegenation. There's some mechanical increase through immigration, but Caribbean and African immigrants in this country number fewer than 4 million and have some degree of reserve vis a vis the native black population.
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  63. @dearieme
    "America is great because America is good." She's speaking of a country whose every war before 1941 was a war of American aggression. As, you might argue, has been her every war since 1945 bar her invasion of Afghanistan.

    As, you might argue, has been her every war since 1945 bar her invasion of Afghanistan.

    Dunno if I would describe the Korean War as a “war of American aggression.” You know, what with North Korea starting it by invading the South….

    “America is great because America is good.” She’s speaking of a country whose every war before 1941 was a war of American aggression.

    I wasn’t aware that “American aggression” started World War 1. And I’m not sure that the First Barbary War counts as “American aggression,” seeing as how it was a response to attacks upon american merchant ships…..

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    I wasn’t aware that “American aggression” started World War 1.
     
    One could argue that american agression started "our" WWI, though not "the" WWI. We didn't have to get involved. Indeed, it probably would have been better for all concerned if we had not.
    , @nebulafox
    The Russians gave Kim Il-Sung the green light to invade, so that particular Cold War hostility is on them. All the more ironic because Stalin was a rather European oriented dictator on the whole, with limited interest in Asia. His whole foreign policy, post-1945, can be aptly described as consolidating an old-style Muscovite buffer against the West to keep his autocratic and visibly inferior system afloat at home. There's even a nice analogue to his postwar purges in what Tsar Alexander I did to officers returning from the Napoleonic Wars talking about getting a constitution. That said, he was confident enough that the Americans wouldn't intervene to help the Norks. In the wake of the aftermath of the Chinese Civil War and with Japan rapidly recovering from the war, that was a misreading of how Washington was thinking, to say the least.

    Interestingly enough, had Truman not intervened in Korea and ended up bogging down Soviet military focus there, Stalin might have bumped off Tito, who had just gone maverick from the Soviet bloc and whom Stalin held a particularly personal intense loathing for as a result. That would have almost certainly set off something ugly. Thankfully, Stalin died in 1953 and his successors established a more normal relationship with Belgrade. The new leadership in Moscow-which was undergoing the characteristic purges that underlay transfers of power in the Soviet Union-was also eager to cease the Korean War, leading to its end four months later, overruling the Chinese. It was something that Mao Zedong, for his part, would neither forgive nor forget.

    As for WWI: really, one could say that everybody in Europe kind of helped start that one. We only got involved thanks to clever British intelligence, the German underestimation of how quickly they could get to Paris before the Americans landed and subsequent decision to launch unrestricted submarine warfare, and a pro-Entente, anti-German, anti-Hapsburg gentry class whose moralizing and utopian visions of bayonets destroying structures and magically creating democracy would land them spots as FOX commentators in the 21st Century. That the absence of the kings and dukes being replaced by a completely foreign system without any roots in the German speaking world would lead to something far, far worse down the line... some things never really do change. The fantasies of progressive intellectuals seem to be one of them.

    , @The Alarmist

    "Dunno if I would describe the Korean War as a “war of American aggression.” You know, what with North Korea starting it by invading the South…."
     
    There is no question that NK invaded the south, but there is sufficient evidence to support that it was a response to provocation or actual probes by forces of the Rhee regime. You should look at a couple of histories and see if it becomes less black and white for you.

    I'm an unrepenant Cold Warrior, but I saw enough to know I should never take the official story unquestioningly.
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  64. Trump’s proposal is a diabolically shrewd three-finger death punch at the Dems.

    1. Most noncitizens already live in solid Dem states. Congressional seats are allocated by total population, not just citizens, so the Dems already get roughly +7 EV and seats from noncitizens. Giving DACAs citizenship won’t increase that.

    2. The DACA amnesty comes with an end to chain migration, which will seriously dent the future growth of the +7 from legal immigration.

    3. Because of the above, which a math genius like Chuck Schumer surely grasps, the Dems have to oppose the offer of a path to citizenship for the DACAs, but they would be severely punished in the elections if they admitted it is because of 1 and 2 above. The only card they can play is feelz for the poor future immigrants, and for once, at long last, it’s backfiring on them.

    Blackpillers will say why can’t we just deport the DACAs and all the other illegals and get rid of the +7. Well, that battle is already lost; people have already shown a high tolerance for illegals once they’re here. The vast majority of them are going to stay. Trying to exclude noncitizens from the census would be marginally more popular but is probably also a non-option.

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  65. “The 50 percent cut to legal immigration in the framework and the recent announcements to end Temporary Protected Status for Central Americans and Haitians are both part of the same cruel agenda.

    Huh. If cutting legal immigration in half is “cruel,” that must make Japan one of the cruelest places on Earth….

    They are part of the Trump Administration’s unmistakable campaign to make America white again.

    Which is interfering with the Democratic Party’s plan to make America majority non-European. Remember, making America non-White is doubleplusgood, but trying to keep America majority White is doubleplusungood.

    “It is often said that America is great because America is good.

    I would say that America is great because of a winning combo of Anglo culture, majority European population, and a really choice hunk of territory……Which means that bringing in huge numbers of Latinx, Black Africans, and Muslims sounds like a really bad idea….

    We are a great country that has been blessed and reinvigorated with the faith and family values of generations of immigrants.

    Huh. If immigration makes a country great, why isn’t Brazil a powerhouse?

    That is why so many faith leaders, even those who support the President, have recognized that immigration strengthens our families, our churches and our communities.

    Sure. Latinx immigration strengthens the Latinx community in the USA. Muslim immigration strengthens the Muslim community. But how does that help strengthen the White American community?

    “The DREAMers will not be ransomed for a hateful agenda that betrays our sacred American values.”

    It’s really fascinating how immigration has been sacralized by the Left.

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    >Huh. If cutting legal immigration in half is “cruel,” that must make Japan one of the cruelest places on Earth….

    Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea are such terrible places to live, you know. There's no graffiti on the subway, crime is so low that lawyers literally don't have much to do, and with declining birth-rates and robots taking up much of the slack, the cost of living in crowded cities is starting to go down, the cut-throat nature of education sees some signs of relief, etc. Radical proposal: it might just be that people will start having kids again when the cost of having kids isn't as outrageously expensive.

    There's also Australia and Israel, those notorious examples of white supremacy in action. \sarcasm It's all so horrible for plutocr... I mean, it is horribly undiverse and racist and stuff.

    Singapore does have some pretty non-trivial immigration, but it has always been a multi-ethnic society from the get-go. And much of the immigration comes from the PRC, to an island that is already 2/3rds Chinese with modest, tractable Malay and Tamil minorities. The Singaporean leadership also takes keeping the delicate ethnic balance in reasonable check quite seriously, from deciding ethnic proportions in public housing structures to military assignments.


    >Huh. If immigration makes a country great, why isn’t Brazil a powerhouse?

    I'd stick to modern Europe as an example. I've been to Brazil, unlike most people on this blog. There's a lot of reasons for this, but above all, a political class that is really, really unprepared for greater world status. Problem that goes back to the way Brazil was colonized by the Portuguese. But for immigration from Europe, and later Japan and Lebanon, Brazil would mostly consist of descendants of African slaves, and a tiny Portuguese descended minority. I don't think anybody would argue that'd be worse than what they have today. (This is why I have little time for Confederate nostalgia-if they had their way, they would have set up a very similar backward, agrarian society.)

    I do agree, though, that mass immigration is exacerbating the factors that are resembling the negative aspects of Brazil, in particular entrenched limitations on social mobility and oligarchs and the upper-middle class eroding a "mass affluent" middle class, for economic and political reasons-in particular, eliminating them as rivals. That's exactly what Rio's oligarchs did in the 1900s.

    >It’s really fascinating how immigration has been sacralized by the Left.

    I think Paleo Liberal had a really keen insight on people wishing to relive the 1960s. It's quite pathetic. Also shocking to see how upper-middle class liberals have abandoned America's working poor for the underclass and for the global poor, and how venal some of their motivations really were.

    >Sweden is really being enriched by Third World immigration:

    A modest proposal: since America apparently will "go extinct" but for immigration, according to our overlords, we limit immigration to young women of child-bearing age, in the name of fighting patriarchy. Let's see how far that gets with the political correctness crowd.

    (I'd personally throw in a mandatory education requirement and an attraction to geeks to try and improve our mental gene pool, but that's just me.)

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  66. Sweden is really being enriched by Third World immigration:

    Teens roam streets with rifles as crime swamps Sweden
    The army may be called in to halt a gang surge in immigrant areas

    In Malmö, where a fifth of the 340,000 inhabitants are under 18, children as young as 14 roam the streets with Kalashnikov assault rifles and bulletproof vests. The average age of gang members is 22, the vast majority of them hailing from migrant families.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/teens-roam-streets-with-rifles-as-crime-swamps-sweden-q83g055k9

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    I was channel surfing last night and the history channel had a program titled Thou shall hate. It’s about evil right wingers in Sweden. I didn’t watch it.
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  67. @Detective Club
    "Shut up and sit down, Whitey!," Nancy Pelosi explained.

    She’s pandering to her (largely white, donorwise) base.

    This is largely about white status anxiety – anxiety on behalf of themselves and their country. They want to believe that they personally are more generous than those awful Rs and that their country is so rich that she can easily afford it.

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  68. @KenH
    The late Dr. David Yeagley, who was of Comanche Indian descent, said mass third world immigration is like losing America twice, so he was diametrically opposed toit. I hope he speaks for the vast majority of Indians because while living under the white man may not be perfect for them it's far better than anything they would get from Mexicans, or any other non-European racial group if whites become a minority a lose most political power.

    I didn’t know that David Yeagley had died. I used to read him at Front Page Mag, but I haven’t looked at that site in some time. I’m sorry to hear that. R.I.P.

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  69. @syonredux

    As, you might argue, has been her every war since 1945 bar her invasion of Afghanistan.
     
    Dunno if I would describe the Korean War as a "war of American aggression." You know, what with North Korea starting it by invading the South....

    “America is great because America is good.” She’s speaking of a country whose every war before 1941 was a war of American aggression.

     

    I wasn't aware that "American aggression" started World War 1. And I'm not sure that the First Barbary War counts as "American aggression," seeing as how it was a response to attacks upon american merchant ships.....

    I wasn’t aware that “American aggression” started World War 1.

    One could argue that american agression started “our” WWI, though not “the” WWI. We didn’t have to get involved. Indeed, it probably would have been better for all concerned if we had not.

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    Neutral Norway got away comparatively light after the US intervention in WWI; only 1.2% off the total population was killed. The Americans had with them a influenza virus. 100 years ago this year!
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  70. The difference between the coherence of this statement (loathesome though it is), which was almost certainly written by one of her staffers, and Pelosi’s routine incoherence when speaking in public, is pretty striking. Not that I want her to step down as minority leader – I’m happy that the Democrats have this addled, senile old bag for their spokeswoman – but are Democrats not the least bit embarrassed by her?

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  71. “Today is a special anniversary for us. On January 29, 1858 the phrase “bend the arc” was coined by the abolitionist minister Reverend Theodore Parker as he addressed a crowd in the Massachusetts statehouse on the duty of the North to seek the end of slavery:

    “I do not pretend to understand the moral universe
    The arc is a long one
    My eyes reach but little ways. I cannot calculate the curve and complete the figure by experience of sight I can divine it by conscience. And from what I see I am sure it bends towards justice.”

    A century later another faith leader emerged to continue the fight for racial equality. Echoing Rev. Parker’s words at the National Cathedral in Washington, DC, Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. said: “We shall overcome – because the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.”

    Some days we can see no end in sight to struggle. We organize, petition, and lobby for change but there’s always so much more to do.

    On those days, I remind myself that yes, the arc is long, and so we are in this fight for justice for the long haul. And I draw strength from the Talmud, which reminds us that while we are not obligated to complete the work, neither are we free to desist from it. We must all do our part and have faith that we are making a difference.

    The wisdom of the Talmud, of Parker and King, and of all those who worked for a just society over centuries inspire me every day. And I believe that when we fight alongside workers, invest in communities, or train social justice leaders, we are helping to push this country ever closer to fulfilling its promise.

    On this special day, thank you for all you do to bend the arc toward justice.

    http://www.bendthearc.us/news/why-bend-arc

    “Bend the Arc a jewish partnership for justice

    “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.”
    — Martin Luther King, Jr., inspired by Theodore Parker

    Founded by Alexander Soros.

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  72. Lol pointing out that its probably too late to ballot box our way outta this is too spicy for eye steve dawt com.

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  73. @Anon
    That is surely worse than Mexicans trying to turn California Mexican again.

    Btw, fewer immigrants means the original peoples of America, the Indian or Native Americans, get to keep America a little more red.

    What is the Indian opinion on this matter?

    Indians feel it was a tragedy to lose their lands to whites. But they also feel whites built a great nation.
    So, as long as Americanism was about peace and rapprochement between whites and Indians, it was good for both sides. Whites took land from Indians but recognize Indians as a people with special claim to America. So, whites need to respect Indians and take good care of the precious land, one of triumph for whites and tragedy for Indians.

    But endless massive immigration totally destroys that narrative. And it breaks the covenant between whites and reds. Reds accepted defeat and ceded the land to whites on condition that whites remain good custodians of it.

    But white elites have gone nuts. They're in shopoholic mode. They are despoiling America by flooding it with more and more people. Worse, as American culture is now so decrepit, these new arrivals turn into gross idiots.

    It's one thing to see things as consumer items. Things are bought, used, and disposed all the time.
    But when consumerism becomes the metaphor for everything, then even Americans aren't merely consumers but consumer items themselves. They also exist to be disposed of and replaced by New Americans. Elites really think this way. Statue of Liberty has become a shopoholic lady addicted to acquiring New Americans like some rich shopohlic woman who always has to buy new shoes and dresses. What she has in her closet is boring since they are 'old'. The excitement comes only with getting New Items. Since New becomes Old once they're acquired, there is an endless demand for newer and newer. Americans are no longer people with history and culture. They are either transient consumers or consumer items. Like people in a movie theater must make way for the new audience, white Americans must make way for New Americans. Or white Americans are like a burger in the stomach. It must be pushed out by bowel movement to be replaced by new burgers. They have no right of continuity and history. No people are allowed that except for Jews and Israel.

    This consumer mentality has infected elites when it comes to Americans. They regard existing Americans as old shoes in the closet. They are madly fixated on acquiring new pairs.
    Hardly surprising in a culture dominated by homosexuals insanely obsessed with glitz and fashion. After all, there is no dirtier word than old-fashioned in the fashion world.

    Anon, I worked with dozens, if not hundreds, of native Americans and they were for the most part pleasant to work with. In the sixties there was a small turn toward radical views, American Indian Movement (AIM), but most of the Indians I worked with and socialized with knew that their life was way better than it would be if the Europeans had not arrived on these shores. This is not to say that there wasn’t a near genocidal policy towards Indians in America. Indians seem to have shorter memories than African Americans who remember slavery as if it was just yesterday.

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  74. @neutral
    I wonder how they see immigration strengthening the church? Christian values have been pushed out of public life over the decades, things like abortion, homosexuality, divorce, pornography, Christian symbols in public, praying in public, etc. All of these anti Christian things have grown as immigration increased.

    That’s because traditional Catholic Mexicans wouldn’t vote Democrat without the immigration issue. “abortion, homosexuality, divorce, pornography, Christian symbols in public, praying in public” are non-negotiable to trad Catholics, so the blackmail/bribery had to be “We will keep you and your 37 cousins here,” with the quiet caveat being shut your mouth about moral values.

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    That’s because traditional Catholic Mexicans wouldn’t vote Democrat without the immigration issue. “abortion, homosexuality, divorce, pornography, Christian symbols in public, praying in public” are non-negotiable to trad Catholics,
     
    How many Mexicans are "trad Catholics?" Mexico is a pretty debauched place. And the LGBT agenda is doing quite well down South:

    Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) rights in Mexico have expanded in recent years, in keeping with worldwide legal trends. The intellectual influence of the French Revolution and the brief French occupation of Mexico (1862–67) resulted in the adoption of the Napoleonic Code, which decriminalized same-sex sexual acts in 1871.
     

    On 3 June 2015, the Supreme Court of Justice of the Nation released a "jurisprudential thesis" in which the legal definition of marriage was changed to encompass same-sex couples. The articles in the constitution restricting marriage to a man and a woman were deemed unconstitutional by the court and thus every justice provider in the nation must validate same-sex unions, thus legalizing same-sex marriage. However, the process is lengthy as couples must request a jurisdiction from a judge, a process that can take significantly longer than the process for an opposite-sex wedding.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Mexico
    , @Alden
    Hispanic immigrants main issues are affirmative action and welfare. Abortion? Hispanics have the highest rate of abortion. Catholicism? They are only catholic in that they still baptize their kids, mainly so they can have a big party. Like most city dwellers including the very rich Whites including Jews, they like catholic schools as a way of sheltering their kids from the vicious blacks that rule the public schools.

    Their Catholicism is nominal and cultural. The religious ones are evangelicals.
    Gays, trans? They did vote against gay marriage in the referendum but the really don’t see it as a democrats for gays, republicans against gays issue.
    , @3g4me
    @62 Rosamond Vincy: "“We will keep you and your 37 cousins here,” with the quiet caveat being shut your mouth about moral values."

    Those "moral values" include lots of child-rape as well as animal and general cruelty, so regardless of how "Mexican Catholics" might vote in America, they need to remain in Mexico. You know, the culture and society that is a concrete expression of their collective DNA.
    , @Art Deco
    That’s because traditional Catholic Mexicans wouldn’t vote Democrat without the immigration issue. “abortion, homosexuality, divorce, pornography, Christian symbols in public, praying in public” are non-negotiable to trad Catholics, so the blackmail/bribery had to be “We will keep you and your 37 cousins here,” with the quiet caveat being shut your mouth about moral values.

    Just to point out that maybe 30% of the nominal Catholics in this country will show up for Mass on a typical Sunday. NB, its obligatory to make a confession at least annually - and a mortal sin if you do not. The usual figure bruited about for the share of nominal Catholics who make a trip to the confessional at least annually is...10%. An hour of your time on a Sunday and on Holy Days and some time in the confessional annually are not exceptionally demanding obligations (though the purveyors of contemporary liturgy and worship music are bound and determined to take their pound of flesh out of you). I haven't seen an ethnic breakdown with regard to practice. If what I've seen is representative, there are modes of traditional piety that Chicanos are more assiduous about and services in Chicano parishes are more dignified and orderly. That having been said, illegitimacy is rampant among Hispanics - more prevalent than it is among white Anglos. Nominal Catholics who want to re-imagine the faith so it is congruent with contemporary professional-class attitudes tend to be bourgeois and I'll wager you don't find many of those in the Hispanic population. Instead, you find laxity of a sort you find among common-and-garden Catholics generally. (I think if you unpack it, you'll discover that nowadays those bourgeois re-imaginers are people on the payroll. Among the laity, they're being cleared out by the actuarial tables. The people who thought that way in 1966 raised children who couldn't be bothered to attend Mass, and these then raised children who have no affiliation).

    I doubt there's more of a SoCon constituency among Hispanics than you'll find among whites.
    , @Art Deco
    Not sure what the deal is today, but Freemasonry and anti-clericalism were once rampant in Latin America and anti-clerical legislation enacted in the 1920s remained on the books in Mexico for six or seven decades. A special dispensation was granted the Pope during his visit to Mexico in 1979 that allowed him to wear his vestments outdoors because that was illegal at that time.
    , @MadDog
    I have to disagreee with the idea that Catholic Mexicans in the US care about Catholic morals. I have seen no evidence. They have a higher teenage birth rate, high rate of divorce and high rate of unmarried mothers.

    The idea that Catholic Hispanics are conservative is a false meme. The Catholic Church loves them however, while shaking down their white parishioners to pay for immigrant’s and black’s private education(s). Meanwhile, whites pay full price. Or can’t attend. I’ve seen this firsthand. And they wonder why whites are fleeing Catholicism in droves.
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  75. It’s remarkable how the national Democrats have been boxed into their position on immigration, and pretty much everything else in the identity politics menagerie. Not just Pelosi and Schumer, but all of the potential Presidential candidates have plunked down hard for what is effectively open borders.

    They have thus set themselves up for failure in 2020 when they run for President. About 80% of American voters want immigration restricted, and every one of these candidates demands unrestricted immigration.

    Trump’s approval ratings seem to have a pretty low ceiling. But you can’t beat somebody with nobody. And the Democrats have guaranteed their candidates will all be nobodies.

    Trump’s biggest gift politically is to turn his enemies into screeching midgets.

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  76. “The 50 percent cut to legal immigration in the framework and the recent announcements to end Temporary Protected Status for Central Americans and Haitians are both part of the same cruel agenda. They are part of the Trump Administration’s unmistakable campaign to make America white again.

    A lot to unpack here. First, you can’t make America white AGAIN if America was not previously a white nation. So remember that the next time she or her ilk try to tell you how and why this nation was founded, or that your views are ‘not who we are’., etc.

    Second, her use of the phrase ‘make it white again’ is premature since it is still a white majority. Perhaps she could have rephrased it to ‘keep it white’?

    Third, she is acknowledging that the change from a white to a non-white nation is being accomplished deliberately by immigration and that she and her ilk will not countenance any interruption in her plans. What is not said is that it has taken them 50 years of such mass immigration to pull off their heist, and they are not about let up now.

    Fourth, for any whites still dumb enough to vote democrat the evidence is staring you in the face that this party is not for your interests. They might mock the idea of a war on whites or any other such slogan coming from right-wing groups, but with that said you would have to be pretty dense to not believe they think something is wrong with whites at the least, otherwise why the urge to make America non-white?

    The sad fact is that 40% of whites still vote for these creeps. They get at least half of all their votes from this demographic about whom they openly express contempt. If half of the whites still voting for democrats switched parties, the democrats would be decimated overnight. Yet they don’t and the democrats are always a couple of minutes to midnight away from permanently taking control. Can you be any more cucked than a white democrat?

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    Great points. But I can think of people more cucked than whites who vote for Democrats. Whites on our side who vote for Catlin Graham, John McCain, Jeff Flake, Marco Rubio, James Lankford and many others with an "R" next to their names.

    At least the Democrats have dropped the veil and are now openly hostile to whites. The Republicans who constantly support positions hostile to their voters are pure scum and deserve to be driven from their lofty positions with torches and pitchforks.
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  77. Pelosi is saying this because Whites and in particular White men are highly unpopular and yes, hate hate hated by her coalition: White women, gays, Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and Muslims.

    After all, White men from America beat Japan alone and went to the Moon. Not once but six times. Showing up White women who have only 50 Shades of Bondage fanfic to their credit. And Black men who only have gangsta rap and purple drank to their credit. And lesbians of color who only have … Queen Latifah?

    Nothing breeds hatred like envy, and add to it the innate, genetic predisposition to beta maleness among White men (swaggering Alphas like Muslim immavaders don’t go to the Moon) that turns off women like nothing else and the wide, deep anti-White male hatred among White women and those White men seeking innately, from genetic rules, to appease them is all over the West.

    Rob Reiner and Conan O’Brien want the US to look like Haiti or Mexico or somewhere in between. So does Chelsea Handler.

    Yes you flyover deplorables don’t but do you have your own TV show on Netflix? Or TNT? Do you live in a guarded Malibu estate? I don’t think so. And the dirty little secret is that Donald Trump largely agrees with them — he’s been donating money to people like Hillary! and Nancy Palsi for decades.

    Of course White people (read: White men) are hated. THAT is never been the problem. The problem is lack of raw, naked, diarrhea inducing fear among people like Pelosi, O’Brien, Handler, and Reiner.

    White America is already over. Even if Trump were to close the borders and deport every illegal more than 50% of babies born in America are non-White. And Trump’s only negotiating for some minor figleaf restrictions on immigration to cuck out for Ivanka and Jared and his corporate cronies, at best. He won’t even get that — A Democratic Congress will impeach and a Cuckservative Mitch McConnell/Caitlyn Grahmnesty will convict Trump and Pence or whoever will have open borders until President Kamala Harris enacts White male slavery.

    Fighting about the past is useless — we’ve already lost and its survival time, avoiding the camps time. Do the math — none of the coalition of the center: gays, lesbians, Nice White Ladies, Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims is going to accept a penny less in welfare, government jobs, do nothing Corporate positions in Google advocating being a furry or a yellow-scaled dragon, or anything like that. Which means in some form White male servitude or slavery to produce the wealth for the rulers and the center of American life (put there not by Jews but by White women in sexual disgust at White beta maleness that put men on the Moon at the expense of swaggering Alphadom).

    Fear, fear that White men will anonymously dig out every crooked, corrupt, dirty-dealing and double-dealing action that gets not just the government forced to act but their corrupt organized crime partners cutting losses/ties or punishing skimming is what is needed. Why the heck has Morris Dees not be exposed as the big-time money launderer he undoubtedly is — he’s not getting a $300 million modern art collection off donations from scared elderly Jewish widows. And why are not his partners seeing how exposed they are with his ties and how much he’s skimmed off the top with their deals?

    There is no chance, none at all, to have a White America much less closed borders. People who matter: the ruling classes and non-Whites will NEVER ACCEPT IT and neither will White women who vote for Open Borders whenever they can. But FEAR ALONE can deter the worst of serfdom coming for White men — we will probably be deprived of the right to vote, hold office, of self-defense, and a lot more — unless we make ourselves so feared no one will move on these actions.

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  78. All the 90 year old White male virgins constantly berating White women for not having more White children should note that Nancy and Paul produced 5 White children all indoctrinated in Nancy’s anti White politics

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  79. @Rosamond Vincy
    That's because traditional Catholic Mexicans wouldn't vote Democrat without the immigration issue. "abortion, homosexuality, divorce, pornography, Christian symbols in public, praying in public" are non-negotiable to trad Catholics, so the blackmail/bribery had to be "We will keep you and your 37 cousins here," with the quiet caveat being shut your mouth about moral values.

    That’s because traditional Catholic Mexicans wouldn’t vote Democrat without the immigration issue. “abortion, homosexuality, divorce, pornography, Christian symbols in public, praying in public” are non-negotiable to trad Catholics,

    How many Mexicans are “trad Catholics?” Mexico is a pretty debauched place. And the LGBT agenda is doing quite well down South:

    Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) rights in Mexico have expanded in recent years, in keeping with worldwide legal trends. The intellectual influence of the French Revolution and the brief French occupation of Mexico (1862–67) resulted in the adoption of the Napoleonic Code, which decriminalized same-sex sexual acts in 1871.

    On 3 June 2015, the Supreme Court of Justice of the Nation released a “jurisprudential thesis” in which the legal definition of marriage was changed to encompass same-sex couples. The articles in the constitution restricting marriage to a man and a woman were deemed unconstitutional by the court and thus every justice provider in the nation must validate same-sex unions, thus legalizing same-sex marriage. However, the process is lengthy as couples must request a jurisdiction from a judge, a process that can take significantly longer than the process for an opposite-sex wedding.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Mexico

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    The articles in the constitution restricting marriage to a man and a woman were deemed unconstitutional by the court
     
    Again the the Wikiwhathefuk nonsense. I lack time or inclination to unearth the actual words of the court, but it most certainly did not declare that the constitution itself is unconstitutional for the same reasons no sane person has ever decreed the proof an animal is no cat is that animal's feline character. Please stop posting nonsense. Here's some commentary by a homo who understands Mexican jurisprudence better than you and the jackasses at WikiwhotheHell:

    https://wockner.blogspot.com/2016/06/mexicos-wild-ride-to-marriage-equality.html

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  80. @Rosamond Vincy
    That's because traditional Catholic Mexicans wouldn't vote Democrat without the immigration issue. "abortion, homosexuality, divorce, pornography, Christian symbols in public, praying in public" are non-negotiable to trad Catholics, so the blackmail/bribery had to be "We will keep you and your 37 cousins here," with the quiet caveat being shut your mouth about moral values.

    Hispanic immigrants main issues are affirmative action and welfare. Abortion? Hispanics have the highest rate of abortion. Catholicism? They are only catholic in that they still baptize their kids, mainly so they can have a big party. Like most city dwellers including the very rich Whites including Jews, they like catholic schools as a way of sheltering their kids from the vicious blacks that rule the public schools.

    Their Catholicism is nominal and cultural. The religious ones are evangelicals.
    Gays, trans? They did vote against gay marriage in the referendum but the really don’t see it as a democrats for gays, republicans against gays issue.

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  81. @syonredux
    Sweden is really being enriched by Third World immigration:

    Teens roam streets with rifles as crime swamps Sweden
    The army may be called in to halt a gang surge in immigrant areas

     

    In Malmö, where a fifth of the 340,000 inhabitants are under 18, children as young as 14 roam the streets with Kalashnikov assault rifles and bulletproof vests. The average age of gang members is 22, the vast majority of them hailing from migrant families.

     

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/teens-roam-streets-with-rifles-as-crime-swamps-sweden-q83g055k9

    I was channel surfing last night and the history channel had a program titled Thou shall hate. It’s about evil right wingers in Sweden. I didn’t watch it.

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  82. Nancy’s family was always well off, her father being a long time congress critter and Mayor if Baltimore when it was one of our most important cities and ports.

    She hit the jackpot when she married Paul. The Pelosi’s were wealthy in Italy and wealthy in San Francisco.

    But she and Paul have made about 270 million from their vineyards and resorts in Napa worked by less than minimum wage illegal aliens. The sons and grandsons of the illegals are turning Santa Rosa and Napa County into a crime ridden Hispanic ghetto by the way

    Someone needs to point out why the Pelosid are so pro Hispanic immigration.

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    Thomas d'Alessandro Jr was an insurance agent with 8 children. They weren't that well off (at least from his legitimate income). He had four terms in Congress, not so long. Maryland politics being what it was, I think he's been assumed to have been on the take, though I don't know that anyone's documented that with forensic accounting.

    The population of the four counties around Baltimore has since 1950 grown more slowly than the rest of the country (the rate of increase has been about 30% under par), but so's New York. Taking the whole settlement, it might have fallen in the rank-order by about 10 places in that time. It's currently about the 18th or 19th largest urban glob in the country. Its real problem has been the decay of public order in the core city, something the political leadership has never cared to address.

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  83. @jim jones
    Pelosi versus Jordan Peterson is a debate I would like to see

    He just did in that Brit interview with Cathy Newman on UK channel 4. Essentially.

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  84. “It is often said that America is great because America is good. We are a great country that has been blessed and reinvigorated with the faith and family values of generations of immigrants.

    I find this “reinvigoration” meme that these scumbags push to be both stupid and hostile.

    Ideology strikes me as some sort of Jewishy hostility to the host population of a place and it’s weird to hear gentiles like Pelosi slavishly parrotting it.

    And the idea that Americans–who’ve rolled out one of the most successful and dynamic nations in history–somehow require “reinvigoration” from foreigners–much less shithole foreigners–is just bizarre and insulting.

    Immigration is simply not natural. Migration to greener pastures is natural–hey there’s land over there! Conquest is natural–and that’s what America’s (and Australia’s) original immigration was–Europeans coming to complete the conquest of the land from the natives. But this immigration where some nation is inviting some foreign peoples to plop down in their midst is deeply *un*-natural. It only happens–very occasionally– because power hungry elites want it for some reason (cheap labor, cheap solidiers, generating conflict, etc.)–and suppress the natural resistance to it.

    This idea that immigration is required for–or even could be required for–”reinvigoration” is logically incoherent. The world–as far as i’m aware–has had no net immigration for … well … a very long time. Yet, nontheless seems to have adequate “vigor”. And many places at various times–Ancient Greece and Rome, Ancient China, Renaissence and Age of Discovery Europe, Meiji Japan, Modern China–seem to be pretty darn vigorous without requiring immigrants.

    This great “mystery” is explained because there is a natural “reinvigoration” process. It’s called “having children” and sufficies to provide “new blood” without any immigrants at all. Amazing!

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  85. I Prayed for God to Take Me: South African Farmer Describes Family’s Torture, Father’s Last Moments

    https://hopkinsworld.com/i-prayed-for-god-to-take-me-farmer-describes-familys-torture-fathers-last-moments/

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  86. @guest
    Speaking as a racist white person: I wish.

    MAWA!

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    I kind of like Make America Caucasian and Civilized Again. MACACA.
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  87. Pelosi was elected to represent American citizens. Office is defined as: a special duty, charge or position conferred by an exercise of government authority and for a public purpose.

    I don’t recall when congressional office was transferred from representing constituents to waging war against them. What is wrong with whiteness? How did it become a “who we are” duty to transform our nation into something better, browner?

    In 1928 Hoover ran on the slogan, “A chicken in every pot and a car in every garage.” In 2018 Democrats are running on, “A minority supremacist holding every office and an H1B in every job.” How does it make sense to hold office just to work against your own constituents?

    I realize it is easy for millionaires like Pelosi to pretend that our resources our infinite and that taxes aren’t a burden levied on citizens and being used to pay for race replacement. When whites become a minority, as they are in California if you group non-whites into one political force, will affirmative action and hate laws then apply to whites making us a protected class?

    We’re 315 million now. How many do the Democrats want? Should we die to get the color balance right or do they plan on importing their desired ratio? Who pays, and why should we?

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  88. @KenH
    The Democrat party is just the party of ultra left wing and anti-white demagoguery. They are deliberately and with malice aforethought permanently altering America's demographics to favor a non-white third world majority since that will deliver total political control to the Democrats and their (((donors))).

    But the joke will be on Pelosi and (((Chucky Schumer))) since white Democrats are only being tolerated as useful idiots by the third world population. It's only a matter of time before their constituents rudely muscle them aside in favor of people who have more melanin than they do.

    Your comments are a statement of undeniable fact. Which brings me to wonder why middle-class Democrats cannot see the obvious and how it will adversely affect their lives and the lives of children and grandchildren in the not too distant future. Why can’t they see that race suicide will be the inevitable result.

    r

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    Either they are self hating, or they really do think some how their pets will spare them as they are "good whites". They really do think they will never get robbed, raped, murdered by MS13 in their gated communities, or replaced with a qotoa, or their kids will get in to college rather some AA case. Feels vs reals
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  89. @jim jones
    Pelosi versus Jordan Peterson is a debate I would like to see

    Who on earth would debate him after that ubiquitous video of him sweetly steamrolling that British chick has been seen? He’s pretty much set the gold standard of right-minded debate single-handedly.

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  90. @The Alarmist
    If only Trump could back away from his overly generous opening gambit and simply say, "You see, folks, they care more about illegal aliens than they care for you and your children."

    The pitfall in judging opening gambits is that they are followed by subsequent moves and counters, and Trump, if nothing else, keeps everyone off-guard and uncertain of his next move. His negotiating style is chaotic, and prone to not revealing his intentions until the opposition reveals theirs. And as a negotiator, Trump likes operate in the driver’s seat, and be pro-active–not reactive. He puts the pressure on the other side to be reactive and show their hand.

    As to suggesting he say, “You see, folks, they care more about illegal aliens than they care for you and your children,” is a move that can only be played once–and best saved for a strategic moment. A good negotiator doesn’t blow all his ammunition at the outset. Politics requires patience as such policy developments can drag out for years–the DREAM Act was first proposed in 2001 and it’s still being discussed in one form or another. DACA was Obama’s EO in 2012, and effectively remains unresolved legislatively.

    Realistically, Trump can only move as fast as the DC sausage maker/meat grinder moves. And a good negotiator would use that to his advantage, and not concede out of a sense of urgency. The urgency is all on the open borders/pro-immigration/Pelosi side of the argument to deliver.

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    Let's put it this way: If I was the Dem leadership, I would have hit his bid in the blink of an eye, commended him for caring for all in America, announced that we were now getting on with the important business of keeping America open for business, and then obstruct, obstruct, obstruct for years to come. They decided instead to reach for the brass ring, so only time will tell. In this respect, Trump read the opposition well.

    There has been an authorisation for a wall for more than a decade, but neither party ever got around to appropriating serious coin to build much of it. The Dems could easily promise funding for a wall and then never deliver anything beyond the first shot. Chain migration might be subject to legislation to rein it in, but almost certainly with grandfathering, and the courts will almost certainly find an equal protection penumbra to rule the limits unconstitutional, to which the executive will do precisely nothing. And so on.

    Right now I say there is a 60% chance Republicans will hold the House in 2018, 80% if they take a hard line on this issue, but if they and Trump appear to compromise too much on this red-line issue (the "Will it play in Peoria" principle, where Peoria is still 60% white, but more than half are under 35, so undoubtedly brainwashed), they will lose the House in 2018, and Trump will at best be a lame duck, if not an impeachable duck.

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  91. @Rosamond Vincy
    That's because traditional Catholic Mexicans wouldn't vote Democrat without the immigration issue. "abortion, homosexuality, divorce, pornography, Christian symbols in public, praying in public" are non-negotiable to trad Catholics, so the blackmail/bribery had to be "We will keep you and your 37 cousins here," with the quiet caveat being shut your mouth about moral values.

    @62 Rosamond Vincy: ““We will keep you and your 37 cousins here,” with the quiet caveat being shut your mouth about moral values.”

    Those “moral values” include lots of child-rape as well as animal and general cruelty, so regardless of how “Mexican Catholics” might vote in America, they need to remain in Mexico. You know, the culture and society that is a concrete expression of their collective DNA.

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  92. And Nancy’s zip code is how white again? I honestly don’t know where she lives, but her vineyard community is pretty white, though Hispanic enough to pick the grapes during harvest time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Helena,_California#Demographics

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  93. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “…in reality the Democrats and the GOP establishment wants amnesty and porous borders to make America Less Blackety Black Black…”

    This, long one of the notions as to why we have all this immigration today, should be taken seriously and studied in some depth. In addition to the notion that elites want immigration for

    (1) the cheap labor,

    (2) for the future Democratic/”progessive”/liberal votes, and

    (3) in some cases due to ethnic hostility (some Jews and some others), there is

    (4) to hide the utter failure of over a century of efforts to make the entire population of Black Americans identical to the White American population in all significant measures of citizenship. It hasn’t happened. It’s clear it won’t happen. It’s clear a lot of people and a lot of elite institutions–the judiciary and legal profession, much of the media, the progressive intelligentsia, the academics, many others–where simply wrong. How does one deal with being this wrong without publicly admitting it? Will the educrats say, “no, sorry, really we can’t change the world that much”? Of course not.

    One way to deal with a failure of this magnitude is to bury the failure under a lot of smoke that one can somehow make appear related. Perhaps there was a forlorn notion that all these immigrants would show the Black population as a whole how it’s really done (and incidentely show the world that it wasn’t white people causing the problems of Blacks). Perhaps it was thought that dealing with a rainbow would be easier then dealing with a very obvious black/white dichotomy. But none of this is working out either. It’s time for the folks behind this to give up and declare failure. They’ve spent their lives in the effort, though, so don’t expect that to happen. Things probably won’t really change until the generation that invested itself in the failure dies off.

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  94. @Gunner
    American Indians are almost fullly onboard the Coalition of Racebaiters, so I don’t think they care about immigration. They want us gone like we made them gone.

    That’s disastrously short-term. No matter how badly they hate the whites, the replacement populations will have zero guilt towards blacks, and even less towards the tribes. Say goodbye to the casinos and land rights… living rez-style is going to be hard even in a black ghetto.

    Then again, red nationalists failed to learn that complete racial exclusivity has made them a footnote in American history. I’d be surprised if they learned any new lessons.

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  95. @KenH
    The late Dr. David Yeagley, who was of Comanche Indian descent, said mass third world immigration is like losing America twice, so he was diametrically opposed toit. I hope he speaks for the vast majority of Indians because while living under the white man may not be perfect for them it's far better than anything they would get from Mexicans, or any other non-European racial group if whites become a minority a lose most political power.

    I am mostly white, but a member of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma.

    I can tell you a few things.

    First, there is NO standard Indian opinion. I always said, if you put 4 Indians together you will get at least 5 different opinions.

    Also, most Indians HATE to have someone speak for them. There was a lot of animosity against Yeagley because (a) he seemed to claim to speak for all Indians and (b) they thought he was too subservient to whites.

    However, here are some facts:

    Go to any pow-wow. Veterans are servicemen are honored at pow-wows, ALWAYS. White people are NOT permitted to dance, but in some situations at SOME pow-wows, white vets will be invited to march with Indian vets. (Sorry, but rules are rules. Also, ladies are NOT permitted to drum. It just isn’t done). In fact, there are some functions at pow-wows that ONLY veterans are permitted to perform.

    Indians have served in our armed forces far more than any other group of people. Indians have been protecting this land forever, and will continue to do so.

    I had mixed feelings about Dr. Yeagley. I saw his points, and I understood why some people whom I respected disliked him.

    However, and this is speaking ONLY for myself, I am sympathetic to his point.

    My Indian ancestors welcomed the white newcomers. My tribe split apart, and even had a decades-long civil war, because of the fights between those who welcomed the whites and those who did not. My male Indian ancestors were killed, after they had kids at least.

    I can see massive immigration, and the exploitation of immigrants, can cause horrible wars.
    Such as the Cherokee Civil War, which at one point had the pro-white side fighting for the Confederates while the anti-white side fought for the Union. My Indian ancestors fought with the South.
    Or, how about the Texas War of Independence? Mexico let in unlimited immigrants, and what did they do? Fought a war against their adopted country, and eventually joined their old country.
    Or, how about the American Civil War? Lots of cheap labor brought over in chain migration. Led to what was the most violent war up to that point.

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    First, there is NO standard Indian opinion. I always said, if you put 4 Indians together you will get at least 5 different opinions.
     
    LOL. Sounds a lot like white people which is why we're in the process of losing this nation at present.

    But I'd like to think from a rational Indian's perspective that the white man is the devil that they know, figuratively speaking. So they would be taking an ill advised and monumental risk if they think supporting the displacement of the white man would be in their best interests.

    Whatever Indians, the various tribes and those of partial Indian descent think of David Yeagley he was at least very pragmatic and clear headed on what the demographic displacement of whites via mass third world immigration would likely portend for American Indians and it wouldn't be positive.

    This, I believe, is why he supported pro-white racial causes and not because he was subservient or because he supinely wished to curry favor with whites.
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  96. @Achmed E. Newman
    Yeah on all that, Clyde, but, I don't know about her husband, but she's like really, really old and all. Don't the two of them have any great-great-great grandchildren who are probably not even in college yet, and may have to live in the 3rd-world hole she has been helping create? Or, are the plans for them to be rich enough that "it just doesn't matter?

    I probably answered my own question. You're free to go, Clyde.

    Here’s Nancy Pelosi and her hideously white (sarc) grandchildren a number of years ago…

    Maybe she does believe (if she’s given it any thought at all which i doubt) that all her family’s wealth and power will insulate them from the 3rd world h*llhole she’s helping create. Or more likely she blithely assumes today’s Guatemalans, Pakistanis and Somalis are just like yesteryears Italians, Poles and Irish and only-evil-neo-Nazis-that-want-to-murder-6-million-jews would ever entertain the notion of differences in the distribution of IQ genes across well-defined pop. groups.

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    She's too stupid to look that far into the future. Besides, all she cares about is herself.
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  97. In a perhaps related story, the House Democratic Caucus is set to become less than 40% white male after November.

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  98. @Anonymous

    I think it is great that the political elites are showing how much they hate white people.
     
    If you say so. I think they're showing that their stranglehold upon the mass media and upon the real levers of power is so complete that they no longer have to pretend that they don't despise white people and want them all dead.

    Keeping in mind, of course, that they've trained the vast majority of white people under the age of 40 to agree with them. They are right about one more thing : there's no war on white people. Because that war is over.

    At this point it remains only to sit back and let demographic trends take their final toll. The posturing you see on the public stage is mere window dressing, to maintain morale among the troops, shock and otherwise.

    If you think the war is over, you are wasting your time posting on this website. (Unless you are on the side that hates white people and you are just here to gloat.) Assuming you are not on the “hate whitey” team but you truly believe there is no hope, you are in the position of either bugging out or trying to figure out how to best serve your masters who hate you.

    I will never submit to the scum who regard me as an impediment to their quest for power.

    And I do not believe the war is over. In fact, I believe a large number of people on my side are just now waking up to the fact that there is war being waged on them. Recent statements like those made by Pelosi, Brett Stevens, and the repugnant Bill Kristol will only serve to awaken more people on my side.

    So let them run their mouths. I don’t know if it is hubris (as you seem to think) or desperation. But either way, it is not having the intended effect.

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  99. It’s no surprise to Unz Review readers that diversity is a failed experiment. Despite decades of propaganda and brain-washing, in-group preferences remain. I believe the majority of Whites and Blacks, and the rest, prefer to live among their own.

    The ones pushing diversity are elite White liberals; rich White liberals. Even though they abandoned religion generations ago, they still respond to the innate need for an organizing principal. Racial diversity fulfills this need for them. Plus, they get enjoy feeling superior to the rest of us in their gated and guarded enclaves which are free of Black bodies.

    To prevent the current race war from going hot we are going to need separate geographic spaces. Perhaps we can continue to use the republic model without going to the extreme of an ethno-state.

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    It tells more about the current Unz Review readers than anything else:

    https://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html
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  100. @syonredux

    As, you might argue, has been her every war since 1945 bar her invasion of Afghanistan.
     
    Dunno if I would describe the Korean War as a "war of American aggression." You know, what with North Korea starting it by invading the South....

    “America is great because America is good.” She’s speaking of a country whose every war before 1941 was a war of American aggression.

     

    I wasn't aware that "American aggression" started World War 1. And I'm not sure that the First Barbary War counts as "American aggression," seeing as how it was a response to attacks upon american merchant ships.....

    The Russians gave Kim Il-Sung the green light to invade, so that particular Cold War hostility is on them. All the more ironic because Stalin was a rather European oriented dictator on the whole, with limited interest in Asia. His whole foreign policy, post-1945, can be aptly described as consolidating an old-style Muscovite buffer against the West to keep his autocratic and visibly inferior system afloat at home. There’s even a nice analogue to his postwar purges in what Tsar Alexander I did to officers returning from the Napoleonic Wars talking about getting a constitution. That said, he was confident enough that the Americans wouldn’t intervene to help the Norks. In the wake of the aftermath of the Chinese Civil War and with Japan rapidly recovering from the war, that was a misreading of how Washington was thinking, to say the least.

    Interestingly enough, had Truman not intervened in Korea and ended up bogging down Soviet military focus there, Stalin might have bumped off Tito, who had just gone maverick from the Soviet bloc and whom Stalin held a particularly personal intense loathing for as a result. That would have almost certainly set off something ugly. Thankfully, Stalin died in 1953 and his successors established a more normal relationship with Belgrade. The new leadership in Moscow-which was undergoing the characteristic purges that underlay transfers of power in the Soviet Union-was also eager to cease the Korean War, leading to its end four months later, overruling the Chinese. It was something that Mao Zedong, for his part, would neither forgive nor forget.

    As for WWI: really, one could say that everybody in Europe kind of helped start that one. We only got involved thanks to clever British intelligence, the German underestimation of how quickly they could get to Paris before the Americans landed and subsequent decision to launch unrestricted submarine warfare, and a pro-Entente, anti-German, anti-Hapsburg gentry class whose moralizing and utopian visions of bayonets destroying structures and magically creating democracy would land them spots as FOX commentators in the 21st Century. That the absence of the kings and dukes being replaced by a completely foreign system without any roots in the German speaking world would lead to something far, far worse down the line… some things never really do change. The fantasies of progressive intellectuals seem to be one of them.

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    After Stalin died they found a note in his desk, from Tito, saying, (paraphrase) we identified your man, please stop trying to kill me.
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  101. @Clyde
    Pelosi and husband are worth 100 million and most of their money is in vineyards and restaurants. So I understand. Thus are large employers of Hispanics with many being illegal aliens. Now Nancy Pelosi is fronting as their social justice warrior in chief, while profiting off their underpaid labor. Her brown people are keeping her in the green.

    Last I heard it was 270 million

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    As far as Nancy Pelosi and her husband - Did I get it right that their primary source of wealth is owning interests in various California restaurants and vineyards.
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  102. @JackOH
    "But when consumerism becomes the metaphor for everything, then even Americans aren’t merely consumers but consumer items themselves. They also exist to be disposed of and replaced by New Americans. Elites really think this way [emphasis added]."

    Yes, elites really do think like that--often, but not always. We have a few folks commenting here who are or seem to be elites by virtue of current or onetime position, income or wealth, special expertise, persuasiveness, and so on, and they're not on board with the idea of leveraging "forced immigration", minority demands, and economic globalization to keep the current American citizenry down and under control. Those folks do believe in tempering raw economic interest with a decent respect for, as you say, "continuity and history".

    Good comment with an interesting take, Anon. Can you think of a screen name?

    Good comment with an interesting take, Anon. Can you think of a screen name?

    If anyone has proven he can think of a screen name, it is Anon.

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  103. @syonredux

    “The 50 percent cut to legal immigration in the framework and the recent announcements to end Temporary Protected Status for Central Americans and Haitians are both part of the same cruel agenda.
     
    Huh. If cutting legal immigration in half is "cruel," that must make Japan one of the cruelest places on Earth....

    They are part of the Trump Administration’s unmistakable campaign to make America white again.
     
    Which is interfering with the Democratic Party's plan to make America majority non-European. Remember, making America non-White is doubleplusgood, but trying to keep America majority White is doubleplusungood.

    “It is often said that America is great because America is good.
     
    I would say that America is great because of a winning combo of Anglo culture, majority European population, and a really choice hunk of territory......Which means that bringing in huge numbers of Latinx, Black Africans, and Muslims sounds like a really bad idea....

    We are a great country that has been blessed and reinvigorated with the faith and family values of generations of immigrants.
     
    Huh. If immigration makes a country great, why isn't Brazil a powerhouse?

    That is why so many faith leaders, even those who support the President, have recognized that immigration strengthens our families, our churches and our communities.
     
    Sure. Latinx immigration strengthens the Latinx community in the USA. Muslim immigration strengthens the Muslim community. But how does that help strengthen the White American community?

    “The DREAMers will not be ransomed for a hateful agenda that betrays our sacred American values.”
     
    It's really fascinating how immigration has been sacralized by the Left.

    >Huh. If cutting legal immigration in half is “cruel,” that must make Japan one of the cruelest places on Earth….

    Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea are such terrible places to live, you know. There’s no graffiti on the subway, crime is so low that lawyers literally don’t have much to do, and with declining birth-rates and robots taking up much of the slack, the cost of living in crowded cities is starting to go down, the cut-throat nature of education sees some signs of relief, etc. Radical proposal: it might just be that people will start having kids again when the cost of having kids isn’t as outrageously expensive.

    There’s also Australia and Israel, those notorious examples of white supremacy in action. \sarcasm It’s all so horrible for plutocr… I mean, it is horribly undiverse and racist and stuff.

    Singapore does have some pretty non-trivial immigration, but it has always been a multi-ethnic society from the get-go. And much of the immigration comes from the PRC, to an island that is already 2/3rds Chinese with modest, tractable Malay and Tamil minorities. The Singaporean leadership also takes keeping the delicate ethnic balance in reasonable check quite seriously, from deciding ethnic proportions in public housing structures to military assignments.

    >Huh. If immigration makes a country great, why isn’t Brazil a powerhouse?

    I’d stick to modern Europe as an example. I’ve been to Brazil, unlike most people on this blog. There’s a lot of reasons for this, but above all, a political class that is really, really unprepared for greater world status. Problem that goes back to the way Brazil was colonized by the Portuguese. But for immigration from Europe, and later Japan and Lebanon, Brazil would mostly consist of descendants of African slaves, and a tiny Portuguese descended minority. I don’t think anybody would argue that’d be worse than what they have today. (This is why I have little time for Confederate nostalgia-if they had their way, they would have set up a very similar backward, agrarian society.)

    I do agree, though, that mass immigration is exacerbating the factors that are resembling the negative aspects of Brazil, in particular entrenched limitations on social mobility and oligarchs and the upper-middle class eroding a “mass affluent” middle class, for economic and political reasons-in particular, eliminating them as rivals. That’s exactly what Rio’s oligarchs did in the 1900s.

    >It’s really fascinating how immigration has been sacralized by the Left.

    I think Paleo Liberal had a really keen insight on people wishing to relive the 1960s. It’s quite pathetic. Also shocking to see how upper-middle class liberals have abandoned America’s working poor for the underclass and for the global poor, and how venal some of their motivations really were.

    >Sweden is really being enriched by Third World immigration:

    A modest proposal: since America apparently will “go extinct” but for immigration, according to our overlords, we limit immigration to young women of child-bearing age, in the name of fighting patriarchy. Let’s see how far that gets with the political correctness crowd.

    (I’d personally throw in a mandatory education requirement and an attraction to geeks to try and improve our mental gene pool, but that’s just me.)

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    >It’s really fascinating how immigration has been sacralized by the Left.

    I think Paleo Liberal had a really keen insight on people wishing to relive the 1960s. It’s quite pathetic. Also shocking to see how upper-middle class liberals have abandoned America’s working poor for the underclass and for the global poor, and how venal some of their motivations really were.
     
    Amazingly, I agree with you.

    I'm feeling grumpy. I just got off a more liberal forum where I was being attacked for saying the Democratic Party will only stand up for the little guy if it doesn't offend their big money donors. One example I gave was how Obama (D-Chicago) and Biden (D-Big Banks and Wall Street) made sure the banks got bailed out during the Great Recession, but the victims of predatory banking practices got nothing. Although I was part of a semi-secret group that helped some victims of predatory lending practices get tens of millions of dollars in relief by teaching them how to fight back.

    Democrats will only fight for the little guy if their big money donors let them. AND, they get to decide who the little guy is.

    I still mostly vote for Democrats, because at least their big money donors let them throw a FEW bones to the little guy. As long as it doesn't offend the banks, or Hollywood, or Silicon Valley companies that want lots of H1-B visas, or very loud activists.
    , @syonredux

    I’d stick to modern Europe as an example. I’ve been to Brazil, unlike most people on this blog. There’s a lot of reasons for this, but above all, a political class that is really, really unprepared for greater world status. Problem that goes back to the way Brazil was colonized by the Portuguese. But for immigration from Europe, and later Japan and Lebanon, Brazil would mostly consist of descendants of African slaves, and a tiny Portuguese descended minority. I don’t think anybody would argue that’d be worse than what they have today. (This is why I have little time for Confederate nostalgia-if they had their way, they would have set up a very similar backward, agrarian society.)

    I do agree, though, that mass immigration is exacerbating the factors that are resembling the negative aspects of Brazil, in particular entrenched limitations on social mobility and oligarchs and the upper-middle class eroding a “mass affluent” middle class, for economic and political reasons-in particular, eliminating them as rivals. That’s exactly what Rio’s oligarchs did in the 1900s.
     
    Good point about how immigration from Europe (Germans, Italians) has almost certainly been a net positive for Brazil. My point, though, was about undercutting notions that immigration accounts for "American greatness." Brazil provides strong evidence to the contrary.
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  104. Nancy Pelosi’s Imagine:

    Imagine all brown people
    It’s easy if you do
    No Trump to stop us
    From one party rule
    Imagine all brown people
    Living like my maid… Aha-ah…

    Imagine there’s no countries
    It isn’t hard to do
    Nothing outside our party
    And no Rush Limbaugh, too
    Imagine all these people
    Fleeing sh*tholes to replace… You…

    You may say I’m a DREAMer
    And I’m not the only one
    I hope someday they’ll join us
    And the world will be less fun

    Imagine all the refuse
    I wonder if you dare
    All the wretched from Ellis
    A single-motherhood…out there
    Imagine all brown people
    Casting their vote for me… I…

    You may say I’m a DREAMer
    And I’m not the only one
    I hope someday they’ll join us
    And the world will be less fun

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  105. @Gunner
    American Indians are almost fullly onboard the Coalition of Racebaiters, so I don’t think they care about immigration. They want us gone like we made them gone.

    American Indians are almost fullly onboard the Coalition of Racebaiters . . . .

    That’s not what I’ve seen.

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    I don’t see Trump or any other immigration hardliners getting kudos from the tribes, on social media or real life. Their silence means they don’t care.
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  106. @Rosamond Vincy
    That's because traditional Catholic Mexicans wouldn't vote Democrat without the immigration issue. "abortion, homosexuality, divorce, pornography, Christian symbols in public, praying in public" are non-negotiable to trad Catholics, so the blackmail/bribery had to be "We will keep you and your 37 cousins here," with the quiet caveat being shut your mouth about moral values.

    That’s because traditional Catholic Mexicans wouldn’t vote Democrat without the immigration issue. “abortion, homosexuality, divorce, pornography, Christian symbols in public, praying in public” are non-negotiable to trad Catholics, so the blackmail/bribery had to be “We will keep you and your 37 cousins here,” with the quiet caveat being shut your mouth about moral values.

    Just to point out that maybe 30% of the nominal Catholics in this country will show up for Mass on a typical Sunday. NB, its obligatory to make a confession at least annually – and a mortal sin if you do not. The usual figure bruited about for the share of nominal Catholics who make a trip to the confessional at least annually is…10%. An hour of your time on a Sunday and on Holy Days and some time in the confessional annually are not exceptionally demanding obligations (though the purveyors of contemporary liturgy and worship music are bound and determined to take their pound of flesh out of you). I haven’t seen an ethnic breakdown with regard to practice. If what I’ve seen is representative, there are modes of traditional piety that Chicanos are more assiduous about and services in Chicano parishes are more dignified and orderly. That having been said, illegitimacy is rampant among Hispanics – more prevalent than it is among white Anglos. Nominal Catholics who want to re-imagine the faith so it is congruent with contemporary professional-class attitudes tend to be bourgeois and I’ll wager you don’t find many of those in the Hispanic population. Instead, you find laxity of a sort you find among common-and-garden Catholics generally. (I think if you unpack it, you’ll discover that nowadays those bourgeois re-imaginers are people on the payroll. Among the laity, they’re being cleared out by the actuarial tables. The people who thought that way in 1966 raised children who couldn’t be bothered to attend Mass, and these then raised children who have no affiliation).

    I doubt there’s more of a SoCon constituency among Hispanics than you’ll find among whites.

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    Defining Catholics is hard when it comes to details because in reality there are tons and tons of rules.

    Remember each culture throws in other stuff into their religion.
    In Mexico there is some close to paganism mixed in with some Catholics.
    And perhaps Catholicism borrowed some paganism to please Europeans.

    Stats for Mexico:

    Roughly 65-80 percent of Mexicans id as Catholic.
    The amount of Mexicans who go to church weekly, pray daily and say its important religion for them
    is 11-20%.

    Not gonna lie, if Catholicism went by strict policy, the amount of Catholics drops down to 10-20% of the current numbers in the Americas (from Canada down to Argentina), and Western Europe.

    Its a dying religion, outside of Africa. Even in Latin America, Pentecostal Protestants are gaining.
    From Ireland, to Italy, Poland, the numbers are slowly dropping. And those are the strongholds.

    Many Catholics have issues with certain doctrine. in the West its often Liberals who want to turn the church completely into something else. Conservatives dont want change (which ulimately will be the downfall), Traditionalists (aka proper ones) are small minority. And then all the in betweens.

    Throw in the Cultural Catholics, who probably make hundred million or more world wide.

    Im not even sure im Catholic tbh (depending on standard used).
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  107. Does Pelosi hate white people? Are white people supposed to hate themselves. Nancy, could you please elaborate?

    Thanks for Starting The Dialogue, Trump. Heighten those contradictions.

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  108. @Rosamond Vincy
    That's because traditional Catholic Mexicans wouldn't vote Democrat without the immigration issue. "abortion, homosexuality, divorce, pornography, Christian symbols in public, praying in public" are non-negotiable to trad Catholics, so the blackmail/bribery had to be "We will keep you and your 37 cousins here," with the quiet caveat being shut your mouth about moral values.

    Not sure what the deal is today, but Freemasonry and anti-clericalism were once rampant in Latin America and anti-clerical legislation enacted in the 1920s remained on the books in Mexico for six or seven decades. A special dispensation was granted the Pope during his visit to Mexico in 1979 that allowed him to wear his vestments outdoors because that was illegal at that time.

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    A beautiful coffee table book I failed to buy as soon as I saw it collects photographs of the Freemasonry of Cuba. While Castro purged the commies he left freemasonry alone and now apparently a Cuban needs to be in good with them to get anywhere with the government. I can sort of see how, in as ultra-Catholic an environment as the Spanish colonies, a secret society of atheists repurposing alchemical symbolism and promising rapid societal progress would appeal to people.
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  109. @istevefan

    “The 50 percent cut to legal immigration in the framework and the recent announcements to end Temporary Protected Status for Central Americans and Haitians are both part of the same cruel agenda. They are part of the Trump Administration’s unmistakable campaign to make America white again.
     
    A lot to unpack here. First, you can't make America white AGAIN if America was not previously a white nation. So remember that the next time she or her ilk try to tell you how and why this nation was founded, or that your views are 'not who we are'., etc.

    Second, her use of the phrase 'make it white again' is premature since it is still a white majority. Perhaps she could have rephrased it to 'keep it white'?

    Third, she is acknowledging that the change from a white to a non-white nation is being accomplished deliberately by immigration and that she and her ilk will not countenance any interruption in her plans. What is not said is that it has taken them 50 years of such mass immigration to pull off their heist, and they are not about let up now.

    Fourth, for any whites still dumb enough to vote democrat the evidence is staring you in the face that this party is not for your interests. They might mock the idea of a war on whites or any other such slogan coming from right-wing groups, but with that said you would have to be pretty dense to not believe they think something is wrong with whites at the least, otherwise why the urge to make America non-white?

    The sad fact is that 40% of whites still vote for these creeps. They get at least half of all their votes from this demographic about whom they openly express contempt. If half of the whites still voting for democrats switched parties, the democrats would be decimated overnight. Yet they don't and the democrats are always a couple of minutes to midnight away from permanently taking control. Can you be any more cucked than a white democrat?

    Great points. But I can think of people more cucked than whites who vote for Democrats. Whites on our side who vote for Catlin Graham, John McCain, Jeff Flake, Marco Rubio, James Lankford and many others with an “R” next to their names.

    At least the Democrats have dropped the veil and are now openly hostile to whites. The Republicans who constantly support positions hostile to their voters are pure scum and deserve to be driven from their lofty positions with torches and pitchforks.

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  110. @Art Deco
    Not sure what the deal is today, but Freemasonry and anti-clericalism were once rampant in Latin America and anti-clerical legislation enacted in the 1920s remained on the books in Mexico for six or seven decades. A special dispensation was granted the Pope during his visit to Mexico in 1979 that allowed him to wear his vestments outdoors because that was illegal at that time.

    A beautiful coffee table book I failed to buy as soon as I saw it collects photographs of the Freemasonry of Cuba. While Castro purged the commies he left freemasonry alone and now apparently a Cuban needs to be in good with them to get anywhere with the government. I can sort of see how, in as ultra-Catholic an environment as the Spanish colonies, a secret society of atheists repurposing alchemical symbolism and promising rapid societal progress would appeal to people.

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  111. @Rosamond Vincy
    That's because traditional Catholic Mexicans wouldn't vote Democrat without the immigration issue. "abortion, homosexuality, divorce, pornography, Christian symbols in public, praying in public" are non-negotiable to trad Catholics, so the blackmail/bribery had to be "We will keep you and your 37 cousins here," with the quiet caveat being shut your mouth about moral values.

    I have to disagreee with the idea that Catholic Mexicans in the US care about Catholic morals. I have seen no evidence. They have a higher teenage birth rate, high rate of divorce and high rate of unmarried mothers.

    The idea that Catholic Hispanics are conservative is a false meme. The Catholic Church loves them however, while shaking down their white parishioners to pay for immigrant’s and black’s private education(s). Meanwhile, whites pay full price. Or can’t attend. I’ve seen this firsthand. And they wonder why whites are fleeing Catholicism in droves.

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  112. @nebulafox
    >Huh. If cutting legal immigration in half is “cruel,” that must make Japan one of the cruelest places on Earth….

    Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea are such terrible places to live, you know. There's no graffiti on the subway, crime is so low that lawyers literally don't have much to do, and with declining birth-rates and robots taking up much of the slack, the cost of living in crowded cities is starting to go down, the cut-throat nature of education sees some signs of relief, etc. Radical proposal: it might just be that people will start having kids again when the cost of having kids isn't as outrageously expensive.

    There's also Australia and Israel, those notorious examples of white supremacy in action. \sarcasm It's all so horrible for plutocr... I mean, it is horribly undiverse and racist and stuff.

    Singapore does have some pretty non-trivial immigration, but it has always been a multi-ethnic society from the get-go. And much of the immigration comes from the PRC, to an island that is already 2/3rds Chinese with modest, tractable Malay and Tamil minorities. The Singaporean leadership also takes keeping the delicate ethnic balance in reasonable check quite seriously, from deciding ethnic proportions in public housing structures to military assignments.


    >Huh. If immigration makes a country great, why isn’t Brazil a powerhouse?

    I'd stick to modern Europe as an example. I've been to Brazil, unlike most people on this blog. There's a lot of reasons for this, but above all, a political class that is really, really unprepared for greater world status. Problem that goes back to the way Brazil was colonized by the Portuguese. But for immigration from Europe, and later Japan and Lebanon, Brazil would mostly consist of descendants of African slaves, and a tiny Portuguese descended minority. I don't think anybody would argue that'd be worse than what they have today. (This is why I have little time for Confederate nostalgia-if they had their way, they would have set up a very similar backward, agrarian society.)

    I do agree, though, that mass immigration is exacerbating the factors that are resembling the negative aspects of Brazil, in particular entrenched limitations on social mobility and oligarchs and the upper-middle class eroding a "mass affluent" middle class, for economic and political reasons-in particular, eliminating them as rivals. That's exactly what Rio's oligarchs did in the 1900s.

    >It’s really fascinating how immigration has been sacralized by the Left.

    I think Paleo Liberal had a really keen insight on people wishing to relive the 1960s. It's quite pathetic. Also shocking to see how upper-middle class liberals have abandoned America's working poor for the underclass and for the global poor, and how venal some of their motivations really were.

    >Sweden is really being enriched by Third World immigration:

    A modest proposal: since America apparently will "go extinct" but for immigration, according to our overlords, we limit immigration to young women of child-bearing age, in the name of fighting patriarchy. Let's see how far that gets with the political correctness crowd.

    (I'd personally throw in a mandatory education requirement and an attraction to geeks to try and improve our mental gene pool, but that's just me.)

    >It’s really fascinating how immigration has been sacralized by the Left.

    I think Paleo Liberal had a really keen insight on people wishing to relive the 1960s. It’s quite pathetic. Also shocking to see how upper-middle class liberals have abandoned America’s working poor for the underclass and for the global poor, and how venal some of their motivations really were.

    Amazingly, I agree with you.

    I’m feeling grumpy. I just got off a more liberal forum where I was being attacked for saying the Democratic Party will only stand up for the little guy if it doesn’t offend their big money donors. One example I gave was how Obama (D-Chicago) and Biden (D-Big Banks and Wall Street) made sure the banks got bailed out during the Great Recession, but the victims of predatory banking practices got nothing. Although I was part of a semi-secret group that helped some victims of predatory lending practices get tens of millions of dollars in relief by teaching them how to fight back.

    Democrats will only fight for the little guy if their big money donors let them. AND, they get to decide who the little guy is.

    I still mostly vote for Democrats, because at least their big money donors let them throw a FEW bones to the little guy. As long as it doesn’t offend the banks, or Hollywood, or Silicon Valley companies that want lots of H1-B visas, or very loud activists.

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    I still mostly vote for Democrats, because at least their big money donors let them throw a FEW bones to the little guy. As long as it doesn’t offend the banks, or Hollywood, or Silicon Valley companies that want lots of H1-B visas, or very loud activists.
     
    Assuming you are white, why would you vote democrat over some crumbs for the little guy when Pelosi just basically confirmed what most of us suspected, democrats want a non-white nation?
    , @nebulafox
    I will give Obama credit where it is due in attempting to do something about America's tottering financial sector, but his decision to ignore the Simpson-Bowles Commission will not be looked kindly upon in history when America's long term fiscal problems come to the forefront, as they eventually will. Moreover, the fact remains that Obama, as far as economic considerations go, invariably lay on the pro-big business/trade end of the Democratic Party. Despite being a darling of Wall Street, he nevertheless was feted by the MSNBC literati as the second populist coming of Christ. Part of this was anti-Bushism, but part of this was because Obama, on some level, represents the ideal 21st Century American to our cultural elite-someone they deeply wanted to be. That his policies never, ever targeted the upper-middle class, which rapidly expanded in the past 25 years, probably didn't hurt.

    The distinction is in how many goodies the serfs get. The neo-feudal vision is essentially the same. The views on the fundamental questions, as far as long-term outcomes for the US are concerned: a duty-based approach to America's role in the world in foreign policy, treating trade as dogma, immigration policy, the manner of our politics-that has become indistinguishable in the past 25 years between Republican and Democrat. They have also become far more extreme than the people they cite as extremists, whether on the left or right.

    I speak from the conservative point of view. My own view on the dysfunction of American politics is that a big chunk of it lies in both liberals and conservatives abandoning their natural functions for roles deeply unnatural for them in a successful, flourishing society. The liberals fete plutocrats and advocate social control over "liberating" things, questioning things, showing vibrancy, as they are supposed to be doing. The conservatives have embraced a idealist view of the human condition (that's *not* natural, and it shows), and advocate letting the market run rampant at the expense of social order, all in the name of wide-eyed ideology, and sacrificing American interests and geopolitical stability in foreign policy for an incoherent, utopian view of human rights in vastly different cultures. Increasingly, however, you wonder what is left conserving in modern American politics. The whole thing is rotten to the core and ready to fall apart. Trump could have kicked it apart if he wanted to last year, being a billionaire who quite literally owed nothing to no one, but he's allowed the GOP to continue their "forever 1994" fantasies.

    The other thing that is depressing to look at, as someone with a background in physics, is that America is so busy ripping itself apart that we can't even embrace great scientific tasks and projects anymore. (Or other great questions that can go with it. For example, rather than making America into a neo-feudal state as our elite wants, how can we make startups-especially ones that deal with more fundamental questions than how to create the next app-and angel investing into a "middle class thing to do"? How can we create "mass affluence"? Most people won't create the next Facebook, but can they get a solid bourgeois living from it? I have no idea, but I think this is a better route than splitting the nation into "losers" and "winners", with the former living more like Mexicans, as per Tyler Cowen.) I'm pretty confident that the way things are going, especially given the views of the political correctness crowd, that major genomic advances will be in Shenzhen in the future. It's not an exaggeration to that genetics research will end up being the 21st Century analogue of quantum mechanics in impact-the latter produced the transistor a few decades after it was invented in Germany. What will happen by 2040, 2050? Sadly, I'm pessimistic that it'll be in the US. India looks more likely to get a functional high-speed rail system in place than the US will at this juncture, and that's just depressing.

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  113. @Jack D
    In retrospect (though it's only been a few days) Trump's generous DACA offer was brilliant because the Democrats were never going to go for it no matter how generous it was short of complete open borders. Trump gets to look like a moderate to sane people ( "I offered 1.8 million Dreamers a path to citizenship") while no actual legislation gets passed. Trump doesn't really need any new legislation or walls - all he needs to do is enforce the laws we already have in a serious way. If he can get control of the bureaucracy, the laws on the books are already good enough to get rid of people who are here illegally - all that has been missing was the will to enforce the laws that already exist.

    Trump gets to look like a moderate to sane people

    I can’t agree with that. Trump needs to hammer away at the idea that we’re a nation of laws, and that no one, much less a class of people numbering a million or more, gets an exemption from the laws. It’s a matter of pushing the Overton Window to where we want it to be.

    It’s very unfortunate that DACA has now become the moderate position. When Obama decreed it, most Republicans would have told you DACA was an outrage and represented an illegal abuse of Presidential power.

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    You have to distinguish between de facto and de jure. De jure the dreamers are all here illegally. De facto they aren't going anywhere as things stand now. So Trump gets the law to match the actual reality (and a little bit better) - they get a 12 year path to citizenship with many steps and if you fail at any step it is return to GO, do not collect $200. The 5 Dreamers who are actual valedictorians get to stay as well they should and the 1.79 million who are just the usual delinquents get a DUI or a drug conviction or beat their girlfriend or something and get shipped back to Guadalajara.
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  114. @ben tillman

    American Indians are almost fullly onboard the Coalition of Racebaiters . . . .
     
    That's not what I've seen.

    I don’t see Trump or any other immigration hardliners getting kudos from the tribes, on social media or real life. Their silence means they don’t care.

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    I don’t see Trump or any other immigration hardliners getting kudos from the tribes, on social media or real life. Their silence means they don’t care.
     
    Honestly if it weren't for the casinos or the occasional complaints about the Washington Redskins, would any of us even know the tribes were still around? Steve has blogged before about how the tribes were celebrated by liberals in the 1970s, e.g. the Billy Jack movies, but for the longest while people have forgotten about them.

    That we don't hear them on the immigration debate is something I would not have noticed had you not brought it up.
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  115. @nebulafox
    >Huh. If cutting legal immigration in half is “cruel,” that must make Japan one of the cruelest places on Earth….

    Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea are such terrible places to live, you know. There's no graffiti on the subway, crime is so low that lawyers literally don't have much to do, and with declining birth-rates and robots taking up much of the slack, the cost of living in crowded cities is starting to go down, the cut-throat nature of education sees some signs of relief, etc. Radical proposal: it might just be that people will start having kids again when the cost of having kids isn't as outrageously expensive.

    There's also Australia and Israel, those notorious examples of white supremacy in action. \sarcasm It's all so horrible for plutocr... I mean, it is horribly undiverse and racist and stuff.

    Singapore does have some pretty non-trivial immigration, but it has always been a multi-ethnic society from the get-go. And much of the immigration comes from the PRC, to an island that is already 2/3rds Chinese with modest, tractable Malay and Tamil minorities. The Singaporean leadership also takes keeping the delicate ethnic balance in reasonable check quite seriously, from deciding ethnic proportions in public housing structures to military assignments.


    >Huh. If immigration makes a country great, why isn’t Brazil a powerhouse?

    I'd stick to modern Europe as an example. I've been to Brazil, unlike most people on this blog. There's a lot of reasons for this, but above all, a political class that is really, really unprepared for greater world status. Problem that goes back to the way Brazil was colonized by the Portuguese. But for immigration from Europe, and later Japan and Lebanon, Brazil would mostly consist of descendants of African slaves, and a tiny Portuguese descended minority. I don't think anybody would argue that'd be worse than what they have today. (This is why I have little time for Confederate nostalgia-if they had their way, they would have set up a very similar backward, agrarian society.)

    I do agree, though, that mass immigration is exacerbating the factors that are resembling the negative aspects of Brazil, in particular entrenched limitations on social mobility and oligarchs and the upper-middle class eroding a "mass affluent" middle class, for economic and political reasons-in particular, eliminating them as rivals. That's exactly what Rio's oligarchs did in the 1900s.

    >It’s really fascinating how immigration has been sacralized by the Left.

    I think Paleo Liberal had a really keen insight on people wishing to relive the 1960s. It's quite pathetic. Also shocking to see how upper-middle class liberals have abandoned America's working poor for the underclass and for the global poor, and how venal some of their motivations really were.

    >Sweden is really being enriched by Third World immigration:

    A modest proposal: since America apparently will "go extinct" but for immigration, according to our overlords, we limit immigration to young women of child-bearing age, in the name of fighting patriarchy. Let's see how far that gets with the political correctness crowd.

    (I'd personally throw in a mandatory education requirement and an attraction to geeks to try and improve our mental gene pool, but that's just me.)

    I’d stick to modern Europe as an example. I’ve been to Brazil, unlike most people on this blog. There’s a lot of reasons for this, but above all, a political class that is really, really unprepared for greater world status. Problem that goes back to the way Brazil was colonized by the Portuguese. But for immigration from Europe, and later Japan and Lebanon, Brazil would mostly consist of descendants of African slaves, and a tiny Portuguese descended minority. I don’t think anybody would argue that’d be worse than what they have today. (This is why I have little time for Confederate nostalgia-if they had their way, they would have set up a very similar backward, agrarian society.)

    I do agree, though, that mass immigration is exacerbating the factors that are resembling the negative aspects of Brazil, in particular entrenched limitations on social mobility and oligarchs and the upper-middle class eroding a “mass affluent” middle class, for economic and political reasons-in particular, eliminating them as rivals. That’s exactly what Rio’s oligarchs did in the 1900s.

    Good point about how immigration from Europe (Germans, Italians) has almost certainly been a net positive for Brazil. My point, though, was about undercutting notions that immigration accounts for “American greatness.” Brazil provides strong evidence to the contrary.

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    That's fair. Personally, I worry America is coming to resemble a nuclear armed version of Brazil, but without all the cool stuff about Brazil. The food, the lifestyle, the women, the beaches, jungle, and sertao, etc.

    I view it more as diversity for the sake of diversity being embraced as a goal in and of itself: or serving as a front for more cynical aims. Immigration, when allowed in the past, served a coherent end for the state-and moreover, it was accompanied by strongly assimilationist policies, nor was just anybody let in without permission from the already existent national community. Let's leave aside the potential ethnic tensions that can result: even without that, diversity in and of itself means nothing if it doesn't bring anything else concrete to the table. You can't eat diversity. Diversity doesn't pay the bills. Diversity doesn't resolve social tensions. Fetishizing "diversity" as an ansatz for actually solving hard-to-solve socioeconomic and political issues is deeply irresponsible on the part of our elite, media, economic, and political.

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  116. @JackOH
    "But when consumerism becomes the metaphor for everything, then even Americans aren’t merely consumers but consumer items themselves. They also exist to be disposed of and replaced by New Americans. Elites really think this way [emphasis added]."

    Yes, elites really do think like that--often, but not always. We have a few folks commenting here who are or seem to be elites by virtue of current or onetime position, income or wealth, special expertise, persuasiveness, and so on, and they're not on board with the idea of leveraging "forced immigration", minority demands, and economic globalization to keep the current American citizenry down and under control. Those folks do believe in tempering raw economic interest with a decent respect for, as you say, "continuity and history".

    Good comment with an interesting take, Anon. Can you think of a screen name?

    This is a good point–reading the comments here it becomes very apparent very quickly this is an unusually sharp commentariat, and I would assume this translates into some degree of real-world influence. It is also unusually friendly, even during disagreements, which I think is a sign that many of the commenters are in positions of real-world influence. People with actual authority don’t get upset that someone anonymously disagrees with them on the internet. I’m not sure if Steve is doing a lot of filtering or how it is happening, but the results are pretty impressive.

    I don’t get the impression that it is a large group (either of readers or commenters) compared to more mainstream sites. However it seems to have a relatively high proportion of people who get smacked in the face by physical reality a lot. Lots of physicists, it seems, as well as mathematicians and other physical scientists/engineers. Lots of physicians and law enforcement, as well–they get it two ways; lots of exposure to the ultimate indifference of nature, as well as constant exposure to HBD.

    I also think there are some journos lurking here as well. Occasionally I read an opinion piece that reminds me a lot of a comment on iSteve; but more fleshed out and made more politically palatable.
    I’m not sure if people are trying out their material, or running with other people’s material. (To be clear I don’t think there is anything morally wrong with either of these, free exchange of ideas and all, and I can’t really be sure that this is happening.)

    Also, I’m pretty sure Tiny Duck is a University President somewhere.

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  117. @Art Deco
    That’s because traditional Catholic Mexicans wouldn’t vote Democrat without the immigration issue. “abortion, homosexuality, divorce, pornography, Christian symbols in public, praying in public” are non-negotiable to trad Catholics, so the blackmail/bribery had to be “We will keep you and your 37 cousins here,” with the quiet caveat being shut your mouth about moral values.

    Just to point out that maybe 30% of the nominal Catholics in this country will show up for Mass on a typical Sunday. NB, its obligatory to make a confession at least annually - and a mortal sin if you do not. The usual figure bruited about for the share of nominal Catholics who make a trip to the confessional at least annually is...10%. An hour of your time on a Sunday and on Holy Days and some time in the confessional annually are not exceptionally demanding obligations (though the purveyors of contemporary liturgy and worship music are bound and determined to take their pound of flesh out of you). I haven't seen an ethnic breakdown with regard to practice. If what I've seen is representative, there are modes of traditional piety that Chicanos are more assiduous about and services in Chicano parishes are more dignified and orderly. That having been said, illegitimacy is rampant among Hispanics - more prevalent than it is among white Anglos. Nominal Catholics who want to re-imagine the faith so it is congruent with contemporary professional-class attitudes tend to be bourgeois and I'll wager you don't find many of those in the Hispanic population. Instead, you find laxity of a sort you find among common-and-garden Catholics generally. (I think if you unpack it, you'll discover that nowadays those bourgeois re-imaginers are people on the payroll. Among the laity, they're being cleared out by the actuarial tables. The people who thought that way in 1966 raised children who couldn't be bothered to attend Mass, and these then raised children who have no affiliation).

    I doubt there's more of a SoCon constituency among Hispanics than you'll find among whites.

    Defining Catholics is hard when it comes to details because in reality there are tons and tons of rules.

    Remember each culture throws in other stuff into their religion.
    In Mexico there is some close to paganism mixed in with some Catholics.
    And perhaps Catholicism borrowed some paganism to please Europeans.

    Stats for Mexico:

    Roughly 65-80 percent of Mexicans id as Catholic.
    The amount of Mexicans who go to church weekly, pray daily and say its important religion for them
    is 11-20%.

    Not gonna lie, if Catholicism went by strict policy, the amount of Catholics drops down to 10-20% of the current numbers in the Americas (from Canada down to Argentina), and Western Europe.

    Its a dying religion, outside of Africa. Even in Latin America, Pentecostal Protestants are gaining.
    From Ireland, to Italy, Poland, the numbers are slowly dropping. And those are the strongholds.

    Many Catholics have issues with certain doctrine. in the West its often Liberals who want to turn the church completely into something else. Conservatives dont want change (which ulimately will be the downfall), Traditionalists (aka proper ones) are small minority. And then all the in betweens.

    Throw in the Cultural Catholics, who probably make hundred million or more world wide.

    Im not even sure im Catholic tbh (depending on standard used).

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    Defining Catholics is hard when it comes to details because in reality there are tons and tons of rules.

    No it's not. There's two rules: (1) is your baptism valid? and (2) if it wasn't conducted by a Catholic priest or lay Catholic, have you been formally received into the Church by clergy so licensed?

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  118. RE: Making America White again,

    Hey, according to SJWs, Britain was never White:

    There were many Asian and Black people living in Britain throughout the period covered by this exhibition (1500-1850). They formed an integral part of British society, whether labouring as servants in country houses, enlisting in the armed forces, marrying in parish churches, engaging with literary and artistic life, or challenging the repressive laws of the day. For many places in Britain, we cannot speak of a separate ‘Black community’ at this time – Black people were integrated in the wider society, working and living with their White compatriots.

    The word ‘Black’ is used here to denote people of African descent; ‘Asian’ to describe people of South Asian origin (from modern India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, the area that formed the British territory of India); and ‘White’ to indicate people of European ancestry. Words used to describe categories of people are always approximate and imperfect, and these have been selected as the nearest to satisfactory in this context.

    Why, then, does this web exhibition look specifically at Asian and Black people in Britain? Because this aspect of our heritage has largely been lost. It is often assumed that the population of Britain was entirely White at this period.

    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/blackhistory/intro/intro.htm

    See, bigots, Europe has always been full of POC (And we’ve always been at war with Eurasia…).

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  119. @Paleo Liberal

    >It’s really fascinating how immigration has been sacralized by the Left.

    I think Paleo Liberal had a really keen insight on people wishing to relive the 1960s. It’s quite pathetic. Also shocking to see how upper-middle class liberals have abandoned America’s working poor for the underclass and for the global poor, and how venal some of their motivations really were.
     
    Amazingly, I agree with you.

    I'm feeling grumpy. I just got off a more liberal forum where I was being attacked for saying the Democratic Party will only stand up for the little guy if it doesn't offend their big money donors. One example I gave was how Obama (D-Chicago) and Biden (D-Big Banks and Wall Street) made sure the banks got bailed out during the Great Recession, but the victims of predatory banking practices got nothing. Although I was part of a semi-secret group that helped some victims of predatory lending practices get tens of millions of dollars in relief by teaching them how to fight back.

    Democrats will only fight for the little guy if their big money donors let them. AND, they get to decide who the little guy is.

    I still mostly vote for Democrats, because at least their big money donors let them throw a FEW bones to the little guy. As long as it doesn't offend the banks, or Hollywood, or Silicon Valley companies that want lots of H1-B visas, or very loud activists.

    I still mostly vote for Democrats, because at least their big money donors let them throw a FEW bones to the little guy. As long as it doesn’t offend the banks, or Hollywood, or Silicon Valley companies that want lots of H1-B visas, or very loud activists.

    Assuming you are white, why would you vote democrat over some crumbs for the little guy when Pelosi just basically confirmed what most of us suspected, democrats want a non-white nation?

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  120. @Lucas McCrudy
    Here's Nancy Pelosi and her hideously white (sarc) grandchildren a number of years ago...

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jkySfZbMIPg/RZ5u0TtaP8I/AAAAAAAAAEo/3sVdlV3NDVU/s1600/Pelosi%2Bas%2BSpeaker%2Bwith%2BGrandchildren%2B%26%2Bgavel!%2B.jpg

    Maybe she does believe (if she's given it any thought at all which i doubt) that all her family's wealth and power will insulate them from the 3rd world h*llhole she's helping create. Or more likely she blithely assumes today's Guatemalans, Pakistanis and Somalis are just like yesteryears Italians, Poles and Irish and only-evil-neo-Nazis-that-want-to-murder-6-million-jews would ever entertain the notion of differences in the distribution of IQ genes across well-defined pop. groups.

    She’s too stupid to look that far into the future. Besides, all she cares about is herself.

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  121. @Gunner
    I don’t see Trump or any other immigration hardliners getting kudos from the tribes, on social media or real life. Their silence means they don’t care.

    I don’t see Trump or any other immigration hardliners getting kudos from the tribes, on social media or real life. Their silence means they don’t care.

    Honestly if it weren’t for the casinos or the occasional complaints about the Washington Redskins, would any of us even know the tribes were still around? Steve has blogged before about how the tribes were celebrated by liberals in the 1970s, e.g. the Billy Jack movies, but for the longest while people have forgotten about them.

    That we don’t hear them on the immigration debate is something I would not have noticed had you not brought it up.

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  122. The Democrats have absolutely no power in this “negotiation” but have gaslit themselves into thinking they have the upper hand. DACA will expire, the wall will get funded anyway, their brown base will go ballistic, and the illusory blue wave that we kept hearing about is gone as Democrats in red states throw their leadership under the bus to keep their positions in November. We might even see Pelosi or Schumer step down from their leadership positions. It must burn them to know that a guy who they are convinced is a moron has the upper hand and there is no way out for them other than to suffer humiliation from a guy who tweets about taco bowls.

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  123. @istevefan

    I don’t see Trump or any other immigration hardliners getting kudos from the tribes, on social media or real life. Their silence means they don’t care.
     
    Honestly if it weren't for the casinos or the occasional complaints about the Washington Redskins, would any of us even know the tribes were still around? Steve has blogged before about how the tribes were celebrated by liberals in the 1970s, e.g. the Billy Jack movies, but for the longest while people have forgotten about them.

    That we don't hear them on the immigration debate is something I would not have noticed had you not brought it up.

    The tribes have lower birthrates than whites so they’re useless to the Democrats.

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    Numerically they are nothing, but morally, the Dems would look even more like fools if they were pitted against the original inhabitants of the land that they have pretended to care about since the 60s.
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  124. @syonredux

    I’d stick to modern Europe as an example. I’ve been to Brazil, unlike most people on this blog. There’s a lot of reasons for this, but above all, a political class that is really, really unprepared for greater world status. Problem that goes back to the way Brazil was colonized by the Portuguese. But for immigration from Europe, and later Japan and Lebanon, Brazil would mostly consist of descendants of African slaves, and a tiny Portuguese descended minority. I don’t think anybody would argue that’d be worse than what they have today. (This is why I have little time for Confederate nostalgia-if they had their way, they would have set up a very similar backward, agrarian society.)

    I do agree, though, that mass immigration is exacerbating the factors that are resembling the negative aspects of Brazil, in particular entrenched limitations on social mobility and oligarchs and the upper-middle class eroding a “mass affluent” middle class, for economic and political reasons-in particular, eliminating them as rivals. That’s exactly what Rio’s oligarchs did in the 1900s.
     
    Good point about how immigration from Europe (Germans, Italians) has almost certainly been a net positive for Brazil. My point, though, was about undercutting notions that immigration accounts for "American greatness." Brazil provides strong evidence to the contrary.

    That’s fair. Personally, I worry America is coming to resemble a nuclear armed version of Brazil, but without all the cool stuff about Brazil. The food, the lifestyle, the women, the beaches, jungle, and sertao, etc.

    I view it more as diversity for the sake of diversity being embraced as a goal in and of itself: or serving as a front for more cynical aims. Immigration, when allowed in the past, served a coherent end for the state-and moreover, it was accompanied by strongly assimilationist policies, nor was just anybody let in without permission from the already existent national community. Let’s leave aside the potential ethnic tensions that can result: even without that, diversity in and of itself means nothing if it doesn’t bring anything else concrete to the table. You can’t eat diversity. Diversity doesn’t pay the bills. Diversity doesn’t resolve social tensions. Fetishizing “diversity” as an ansatz for actually solving hard-to-solve socioeconomic and political issues is deeply irresponsible on the part of our elite, media, economic, and political.

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  125. @nebulafox
    The Russians gave Kim Il-Sung the green light to invade, so that particular Cold War hostility is on them. All the more ironic because Stalin was a rather European oriented dictator on the whole, with limited interest in Asia. His whole foreign policy, post-1945, can be aptly described as consolidating an old-style Muscovite buffer against the West to keep his autocratic and visibly inferior system afloat at home. There's even a nice analogue to his postwar purges in what Tsar Alexander I did to officers returning from the Napoleonic Wars talking about getting a constitution. That said, he was confident enough that the Americans wouldn't intervene to help the Norks. In the wake of the aftermath of the Chinese Civil War and with Japan rapidly recovering from the war, that was a misreading of how Washington was thinking, to say the least.

    Interestingly enough, had Truman not intervened in Korea and ended up bogging down Soviet military focus there, Stalin might have bumped off Tito, who had just gone maverick from the Soviet bloc and whom Stalin held a particularly personal intense loathing for as a result. That would have almost certainly set off something ugly. Thankfully, Stalin died in 1953 and his successors established a more normal relationship with Belgrade. The new leadership in Moscow-which was undergoing the characteristic purges that underlay transfers of power in the Soviet Union-was also eager to cease the Korean War, leading to its end four months later, overruling the Chinese. It was something that Mao Zedong, for his part, would neither forgive nor forget.

    As for WWI: really, one could say that everybody in Europe kind of helped start that one. We only got involved thanks to clever British intelligence, the German underestimation of how quickly they could get to Paris before the Americans landed and subsequent decision to launch unrestricted submarine warfare, and a pro-Entente, anti-German, anti-Hapsburg gentry class whose moralizing and utopian visions of bayonets destroying structures and magically creating democracy would land them spots as FOX commentators in the 21st Century. That the absence of the kings and dukes being replaced by a completely foreign system without any roots in the German speaking world would lead to something far, far worse down the line... some things never really do change. The fantasies of progressive intellectuals seem to be one of them.

    After Stalin died they found a note in his desk, from Tito, saying, (paraphrase) we identified your man, please stop trying to kill me.

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    Tito's worries about the USSR invading Yugoslavia were far more reality based than people gave him credit for. Even with Korea going on, Stalin kept urging the other Communist states to arm for a potential invasion of Yugoslavia. Tito's purges of all the pro-Russian elements in the early 50s were through and nasty-and also probably necessary. It also led Tito to build up a secret police force that eventually would become far more prolific in assassinations than the post-Stalin KGB would be.

    He was clever enough to use his estrangement from Moscow to access Marshall Plan funds, which long-term resulted in Yugoslavia being a more pleasant place to live than anywhere in the Warsaw Pact. However, this was all based off of foreign loans. Oil shocks and a devalued dinar took their toll, and when Tito died, the Yugoslav model began to unravel-and the long dormant ethnic tensions that the Communists tried to deny existed (fooling nobody) began to rear their ugly heads...

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  126. @eah
    OT

    Earlier I posted the comment ‘The moral arc of the universe bends toward Serena Williams’ -- I do not follow tennis closely (anymore), so before this year's Australian Open I had not heard of Tennys Sandgren -- I have not bothered to lookup his (now controversial) comments on social media -- also here the Establishment wants its pound of flesh -- they got former 'bad boy' and now cuck (apparently) John McEnroe to make a Cuckservice Announcement to set the guy straight:

    John McEnroe Gets Serious on Tennys Sandgren's Tweets | The Commissioner of Tennis | Eurosport

    Godwin's Law is vindicated in record time -- McEnroe admits he doesn't know the guy, and you can be pretty damn sure he also never bothered to personally lookup Sandgren's comments -- oh, and he doesn't want to judge him -- he then proceeds to judge him -- in fact, that's what the video is about -- that's its sole purpose.

    New York is delusional. Remember when they gave this stiff a talk-show? A less compelling personality is hard to imagine.

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  127. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    How about this compromise? We get open borders, but all votes of new arrivals must count as pro-GOP.
    After all, we are told immigrants are natural conservatives.

    Now, it’s true that immigrants tend to be socially more conservative than most Americans. So, why do they vote for the Liberal Party? Because Liberty Party welcomes them more and gives more gibs.
    So, the socially conservative votes of immigrants end up going to the Liberal party. People will choose material advantage over culture and values, esp if the latter is considerable. This is especially true if the difference between their own nations and the West is like between heaven and hell.
    A person might favor values and morality if doing so earns him 50,000 than 60,000. He may be willing to sacrifice 10,000 less for pride and honor. But suppose sticking to values earns him 1,000 when compromising them can earn him 60,000. The temptation for the latter is too great and he will likely shelve his values to get the bling.
    Non-whites have Too Much to Gain by coming to the West. If betraying your values takes you from material hell to heaven, most people will choose material heaven.. even if they must ally with people whose values you find abhorrent. So, we have this crazy alliance between globalist homosexuals and Muslims.

    This is also why so many western elites are so easy to corrupt. The top prize is now so much more fabulous than the second prize(a set of stake knives than a cadillac) that they don’t see the value of sticking to principles over the prize. Even American Indians sold their noble-tragic narrative by accepting casinos and easy money. Their sacred land is now a den of thieves.

    The inequality between top and middle was far less in the past. And politicians had less perks, and DC used to be a duller place. But, now the winners win so much more than the rest, and DC is a swinging place filled with lobbyists with tons of cash. People want IN into this world and will betray any values to be let in.

    This is the most corrosive aspect of hyper-inequality. The main problem is not that some people make more. The problem is that when the winners win SO BIG and way above the rest, there is the greater temptation to betray one’s values and principles to enter this heaven.
    So, in a way, the New Deal was better for conservative values. In a world where the winners can’t be super-winners and where the middle class is the core of America, there is less temptation to betray everything for the prize. Look at Obama’s book deal worth 60 million. Even if Obama were really a socialist, why would he risk antagonizing the elites and not win the super-prize?

    Moderate inequality means your refusal to betray your values still leaves you with a decent life. Also, those who betray their values are better off but not super-better-off.

    But hyper inequality means your refusal to betray your values leaves you feeling like a total loser when doing so would have made you live like a god-king. The rise of blockbuster movies in the 70s had this corrosive effect. The rewards for making summer and holiday blockbusters were so great that even serious actors and directors involved themselves in them. And everyone scrambled to make those kinds of movies. When there is a gold rush, everyone throws down their tools(for making money the hard and honest way) and runs off to make overnight fortunes. And this gold rush mentality imforms so much of America. All those rubes in the 50 states want to be politicians to have it so well in swinging DC. And this dream is sols to suckers with expansion of gambling, the fool’s gold rush. Or bubbles like dot.com and housing.

    George Bailey was tempted by Mr. Potter with with higher salary and benefits. George said no, but suppose Potter had offered him a million? Everyone has a breaking point in their principles, and rise of hyper-inequality broke the came’s back of public morality and integrity.

    Liberal-dominated media also filled non-white minds with images of the KKK. And voting against whites is to hide the shame that they departed from their own peoples and nations because they prefer whites. Being anti-white is to suppress the secret feeling that they really do believe whites are better. After all, why aren’t they opting to move to non-white nations?

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  128. @eah
    OT

    Earlier I posted the comment ‘The moral arc of the universe bends toward Serena Williams’ -- I do not follow tennis closely (anymore), so before this year's Australian Open I had not heard of Tennys Sandgren -- I have not bothered to lookup his (now controversial) comments on social media -- also here the Establishment wants its pound of flesh -- they got former 'bad boy' and now cuck (apparently) John McEnroe to make a Cuckservice Announcement to set the guy straight:

    John McEnroe Gets Serious on Tennys Sandgren's Tweets | The Commissioner of Tennis | Eurosport

    Godwin's Law is vindicated in record time -- McEnroe admits he doesn't know the guy, and you can be pretty damn sure he also never bothered to personally lookup Sandgren's comments -- oh, and he doesn't want to judge him -- he then proceeds to judge him -- in fact, that's what the video is about -- that's its sole purpose.

    Well, there’s another cuck baby boomer (but I mostly repeat myself) who I won’t be sad to see fall off the perch. On tennis matters I haven’t seen a better commentator but he does politics not nearly as good as he does rock music.

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  129. @Paleo Liberal

    >It’s really fascinating how immigration has been sacralized by the Left.

    I think Paleo Liberal had a really keen insight on people wishing to relive the 1960s. It’s quite pathetic. Also shocking to see how upper-middle class liberals have abandoned America’s working poor for the underclass and for the global poor, and how venal some of their motivations really were.
     
    Amazingly, I agree with you.

    I'm feeling grumpy. I just got off a more liberal forum where I was being attacked for saying the Democratic Party will only stand up for the little guy if it doesn't offend their big money donors. One example I gave was how Obama (D-Chicago) and Biden (D-Big Banks and Wall Street) made sure the banks got bailed out during the Great Recession, but the victims of predatory banking practices got nothing. Although I was part of a semi-secret group that helped some victims of predatory lending practices get tens of millions of dollars in relief by teaching them how to fight back.

    Democrats will only fight for the little guy if their big money donors let them. AND, they get to decide who the little guy is.

    I still mostly vote for Democrats, because at least their big money donors let them throw a FEW bones to the little guy. As long as it doesn't offend the banks, or Hollywood, or Silicon Valley companies that want lots of H1-B visas, or very loud activists.

    I will give Obama credit where it is due in attempting to do something about America’s tottering financial sector, but his decision to ignore the Simpson-Bowles Commission will not be looked kindly upon in history when America’s long term fiscal problems come to the forefront, as they eventually will. Moreover, the fact remains that Obama, as far as economic considerations go, invariably lay on the pro-big business/trade end of the Democratic Party. Despite being a darling of Wall Street, he nevertheless was feted by the MSNBC literati as the second populist coming of Christ. Part of this was anti-Bushism, but part of this was because Obama, on some level, represents the ideal 21st Century American to our cultural elite-someone they deeply wanted to be. That his policies never, ever targeted the upper-middle class, which rapidly expanded in the past 25 years, probably didn’t hurt.

    The distinction is in how many goodies the serfs get. The neo-feudal vision is essentially the same. The views on the fundamental questions, as far as long-term outcomes for the US are concerned: a duty-based approach to America’s role in the world in foreign policy, treating trade as dogma, immigration policy, the manner of our politics-that has become indistinguishable in the past 25 years between Republican and Democrat. They have also become far more extreme than the people they cite as extremists, whether on the left or right.

    I speak from the conservative point of view. My own view on the dysfunction of American politics is that a big chunk of it lies in both liberals and conservatives abandoning their natural functions for roles deeply unnatural for them in a successful, flourishing society. The liberals fete plutocrats and advocate social control over “liberating” things, questioning things, showing vibrancy, as they are supposed to be doing. The conservatives have embraced a idealist view of the human condition (that’s *not* natural, and it shows), and advocate letting the market run rampant at the expense of social order, all in the name of wide-eyed ideology, and sacrificing American interests and geopolitical stability in foreign policy for an incoherent, utopian view of human rights in vastly different cultures. Increasingly, however, you wonder what is left conserving in modern American politics. The whole thing is rotten to the core and ready to fall apart. Trump could have kicked it apart if he wanted to last year, being a billionaire who quite literally owed nothing to no one, but he’s allowed the GOP to continue their “forever 1994″ fantasies.

    The other thing that is depressing to look at, as someone with a background in physics, is that America is so busy ripping itself apart that we can’t even embrace great scientific tasks and projects anymore. (Or other great questions that can go with it. For example, rather than making America into a neo-feudal state as our elite wants, how can we make startups-especially ones that deal with more fundamental questions than how to create the next app-and angel investing into a “middle class thing to do”? How can we create “mass affluence”? Most people won’t create the next Facebook, but can they get a solid bourgeois living from it? I have no idea, but I think this is a better route than splitting the nation into “losers” and “winners”, with the former living more like Mexicans, as per Tyler Cowen.) I’m pretty confident that the way things are going, especially given the views of the political correctness crowd, that major genomic advances will be in Shenzhen in the future. It’s not an exaggeration to that genetics research will end up being the 21st Century analogue of quantum mechanics in impact-the latter produced the transistor a few decades after it was invented in Germany. What will happen by 2040, 2050? Sadly, I’m pessimistic that it’ll be in the US. India looks more likely to get a functional high-speed rail system in place than the US will at this juncture, and that’s just depressing.

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    I will give Obama credit where it is due in attempting to do something about America’s tottering financial sector,

    He did nothing. The legislation was composed by bull sessions of lobbyists held in the offices of Barney Frank. The legislation was hopelessly rococo and put quite a measure of discretion in the hands of regulators (and thus incorporated more opportunities for characters like Frank to be brokers of favors).

    To have done something would have incorporated breaking up Citigroup and preventing through the regulatory architecture the reassembly of such an institution. Ditto Goldman Sachs.
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  130. @JackOH
    "But when consumerism becomes the metaphor for everything, then even Americans aren’t merely consumers but consumer items themselves. They also exist to be disposed of and replaced by New Americans. Elites really think this way [emphasis added]."

    Yes, elites really do think like that--often, but not always. We have a few folks commenting here who are or seem to be elites by virtue of current or onetime position, income or wealth, special expertise, persuasiveness, and so on, and they're not on board with the idea of leveraging "forced immigration", minority demands, and economic globalization to keep the current American citizenry down and under control. Those folks do believe in tempering raw economic interest with a decent respect for, as you say, "continuity and history".

    Good comment with an interesting take, Anon. Can you think of a screen name?

    Consumers–people- as a commodity item, as widgets. One replaceable with another. All the globalist arguments for open borders and increased immigration are based on the notion that economic growth is caused by/a result of population growth. The argument fails to note that the lottery-like wealth obtained in tech, e.g. Gates, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Ellison, et al., are due to penetrating foreign markets–not simply due to product domination in the US market. It’s income growth and wealth due to the product/service made available to global consumers–not importing the end-user consumer into the confines of the US.

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  131. @guest
    Speaking as a racist white person: I wish.

    Indeed. MAWA!

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  132. @J.Ross
    After Stalin died they found a note in his desk, from Tito, saying, (paraphrase) we identified your man, please stop trying to kill me.

    Tito’s worries about the USSR invading Yugoslavia were far more reality based than people gave him credit for. Even with Korea going on, Stalin kept urging the other Communist states to arm for a potential invasion of Yugoslavia. Tito’s purges of all the pro-Russian elements in the early 50s were through and nasty-and also probably necessary. It also led Tito to build up a secret police force that eventually would become far more prolific in assassinations than the post-Stalin KGB would be.

    He was clever enough to use his estrangement from Moscow to access Marshall Plan funds, which long-term resulted in Yugoslavia being a more pleasant place to live than anywhere in the Warsaw Pact. However, this was all based off of foreign loans. Oil shocks and a devalued dinar took their toll, and when Tito died, the Yugoslav model began to unravel-and the long dormant ethnic tensions that the Communists tried to deny existed (fooling nobody) began to rear their ugly heads…

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  133. @International Jew

    Trump gets to look like a moderate to sane people
     
    I can't agree with that. Trump needs to hammer away at the idea that we're a nation of laws, and that no one, much less a class of people numbering a million or more, gets an exemption from the laws. It's a matter of pushing the Overton Window to where we want it to be.

    It's very unfortunate that DACA has now become the moderate position. When Obama decreed it, most Republicans would have told you DACA was an outrage and represented an illegal abuse of Presidential power.

    You have to distinguish between de facto and de jure. De jure the dreamers are all here illegally. De facto they aren’t going anywhere as things stand now. So Trump gets the law to match the actual reality (and a little bit better) – they get a 12 year path to citizenship with many steps and if you fail at any step it is return to GO, do not collect $200. The 5 Dreamers who are actual valedictorians get to stay as well they should and the 1.79 million who are just the usual delinquents get a DUI or a drug conviction or beat their girlfriend or something and get shipped back to Guadalajara.

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  134. @Anonymous
    So, the USA's black population doubled in under 50 years.
    A fact usually kept very quiet - and a growth rate typical of third world nations.

    Curiously, whilst the American white population saw only very modest growth in that half century, black Americans evidently had the resources, confidence and wherewithal to double their numbers - despite the incessant whining bewailing their 'intolerable' lives, which then, as now, formed the drub drub drub persistent soundtrack to their existence.

    So, the USA’s black population doubled in under 50 years. A fact usually kept very quiet – and a growth rate typical of third world nations.

    About 13% of the population is black. That’s the same % it was in 1860. In the intervening 150-odd years that % has fluctuated within a narrow band.

    The total fertility rate of the black population is currently 2.1 children per woman per lifetime, i.e. the replacement rate. Their avenues for natural increase consist of (1) improvements in life expectancy and (2) incorporation of a small number of non-blacks through miscegenation. There’s some mechanical increase through immigration, but Caribbean and African immigrants in this country number fewer than 4 million and have some degree of reserve vis a vis the native black population.

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    Maybe it's more visible because they concentrate in cities at the expense of everybody else. The blog Stuff Black People Don't like has been focusing on one city a day, relating white percentage in the past and today, and then describing results like murder.
    https://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/not-one-white-person-was-victim-or.html?m=1

    In 1970, Syracuse, New York was nearly 90 percent white.

    Today, Syracuse is about 56 percent white.

    It's now a 29 percent black city and is 8.3 percent Hispanic.

    Why mention this?

    Every homicide in 2017 - all 21 of them - involved both a non-white suspect and non-white victim.
     
    , @Perspective
    I've seen reports that indicate that black fertility in the US has actually dropped below replacement levels:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States#Vital_statistics_of_racial_and_ethnic_groups_(since_1935)

    Scroll down to the Vital statistics of racial and ethnic groups (since 1935), in 2015 the black non-Hispanic rate was 1.86, slightly above the non-Hispanic white rate of 1.75.

    , @Travis
    The Black fertility rate was higher than the white fertility rate from 1960 - 2015

    This is why the number of Blacks has grown 100% since 1970 while the number of whites has grown just 10%.. The 1970 census counted 21 million Black , 175 Million Whites. The latest government estimates count 43 million Blacks and 195 Million Whites

    in every year , the Black fertility rate is higher than the white fertility rate.
    year----Black vs White Fertility rate (births per 1000)
    1970 -- 25.3 vs 17.4
    1980 -- 22.1 vs 14.9
    1990 -- 22.4 vs 15.8
    2000 -- 17.1 vs 13.9


    Below is a link which indicates fertility rate by race. Fertility rate is determined by race of mother, thus even when a white women has a black child it increases the white fertility rate
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/statab/t001x01.pdf

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  135. @nebulafox
    I will give Obama credit where it is due in attempting to do something about America's tottering financial sector, but his decision to ignore the Simpson-Bowles Commission will not be looked kindly upon in history when America's long term fiscal problems come to the forefront, as they eventually will. Moreover, the fact remains that Obama, as far as economic considerations go, invariably lay on the pro-big business/trade end of the Democratic Party. Despite being a darling of Wall Street, he nevertheless was feted by the MSNBC literati as the second populist coming of Christ. Part of this was anti-Bushism, but part of this was because Obama, on some level, represents the ideal 21st Century American to our cultural elite-someone they deeply wanted to be. That his policies never, ever targeted the upper-middle class, which rapidly expanded in the past 25 years, probably didn't hurt.

    The distinction is in how many goodies the serfs get. The neo-feudal vision is essentially the same. The views on the fundamental questions, as far as long-term outcomes for the US are concerned: a duty-based approach to America's role in the world in foreign policy, treating trade as dogma, immigration policy, the manner of our politics-that has become indistinguishable in the past 25 years between Republican and Democrat. They have also become far more extreme than the people they cite as extremists, whether on the left or right.

    I speak from the conservative point of view. My own view on the dysfunction of American politics is that a big chunk of it lies in both liberals and conservatives abandoning their natural functions for roles deeply unnatural for them in a successful, flourishing society. The liberals fete plutocrats and advocate social control over "liberating" things, questioning things, showing vibrancy, as they are supposed to be doing. The conservatives have embraced a idealist view of the human condition (that's *not* natural, and it shows), and advocate letting the market run rampant at the expense of social order, all in the name of wide-eyed ideology, and sacrificing American interests and geopolitical stability in foreign policy for an incoherent, utopian view of human rights in vastly different cultures. Increasingly, however, you wonder what is left conserving in modern American politics. The whole thing is rotten to the core and ready to fall apart. Trump could have kicked it apart if he wanted to last year, being a billionaire who quite literally owed nothing to no one, but he's allowed the GOP to continue their "forever 1994" fantasies.

    The other thing that is depressing to look at, as someone with a background in physics, is that America is so busy ripping itself apart that we can't even embrace great scientific tasks and projects anymore. (Or other great questions that can go with it. For example, rather than making America into a neo-feudal state as our elite wants, how can we make startups-especially ones that deal with more fundamental questions than how to create the next app-and angel investing into a "middle class thing to do"? How can we create "mass affluence"? Most people won't create the next Facebook, but can they get a solid bourgeois living from it? I have no idea, but I think this is a better route than splitting the nation into "losers" and "winners", with the former living more like Mexicans, as per Tyler Cowen.) I'm pretty confident that the way things are going, especially given the views of the political correctness crowd, that major genomic advances will be in Shenzhen in the future. It's not an exaggeration to that genetics research will end up being the 21st Century analogue of quantum mechanics in impact-the latter produced the transistor a few decades after it was invented in Germany. What will happen by 2040, 2050? Sadly, I'm pessimistic that it'll be in the US. India looks more likely to get a functional high-speed rail system in place than the US will at this juncture, and that's just depressing.

    I will give Obama credit where it is due in attempting to do something about America’s tottering financial sector,

    He did nothing. The legislation was composed by bull sessions of lobbyists held in the offices of Barney Frank. The legislation was hopelessly rococo and put quite a measure of discretion in the hands of regulators (and thus incorporated more opportunities for characters like Frank to be brokers of favors).

    To have done something would have incorporated breaking up Citigroup and preventing through the regulatory architecture the reassembly of such an institution. Ditto Goldman Sachs.

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  136. @Alden
    Nancy’s family was always well off, her father being a long time congress critter and Mayor if Baltimore when it was one of our most important cities and ports.

    She hit the jackpot when she married Paul. The Pelosi’s were wealthy in Italy and wealthy in San Francisco.

    But she and Paul have made about 270 million from their vineyards and resorts in Napa worked by less than minimum wage illegal aliens. The sons and grandsons of the illegals are turning Santa Rosa and Napa County into a crime ridden Hispanic ghetto by the way

    Someone needs to point out why the Pelosid are so pro Hispanic immigration.

    Thomas d’Alessandro Jr was an insurance agent with 8 children. They weren’t that well off (at least from his legitimate income). He had four terms in Congress, not so long. Maryland politics being what it was, I think he’s been assumed to have been on the take, though I don’t know that anyone’s documented that with forensic accounting.

    The population of the four counties around Baltimore has since 1950 grown more slowly than the rest of the country (the rate of increase has been about 30% under par), but so’s New York. Taking the whole settlement, it might have fallen in the rank-order by about 10 places in that time. It’s currently about the 18th or 19th largest urban glob in the country. Its real problem has been the decay of public order in the core city, something the political leadership has never cared to address.

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    One of Richard Daley Sr.'s sons (not Richard Jr.) was an insurance broker. It's a good way to make money out of politics if you're not a lawyer.
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  137. @polskijoe
    Defining Catholics is hard when it comes to details because in reality there are tons and tons of rules.

    Remember each culture throws in other stuff into their religion.
    In Mexico there is some close to paganism mixed in with some Catholics.
    And perhaps Catholicism borrowed some paganism to please Europeans.

    Stats for Mexico:

    Roughly 65-80 percent of Mexicans id as Catholic.
    The amount of Mexicans who go to church weekly, pray daily and say its important religion for them
    is 11-20%.

    Not gonna lie, if Catholicism went by strict policy, the amount of Catholics drops down to 10-20% of the current numbers in the Americas (from Canada down to Argentina), and Western Europe.

    Its a dying religion, outside of Africa. Even in Latin America, Pentecostal Protestants are gaining.
    From Ireland, to Italy, Poland, the numbers are slowly dropping. And those are the strongholds.

    Many Catholics have issues with certain doctrine. in the West its often Liberals who want to turn the church completely into something else. Conservatives dont want change (which ulimately will be the downfall), Traditionalists (aka proper ones) are small minority. And then all the in betweens.

    Throw in the Cultural Catholics, who probably make hundred million or more world wide.

    Im not even sure im Catholic tbh (depending on standard used).

    Defining Catholics is hard when it comes to details because in reality there are tons and tons of rules.

    No it’s not. There’s two rules: (1) is your baptism valid? and (2) if it wasn’t conducted by a Catholic priest or lay Catholic, have you been formally received into the Church by clergy so licensed?

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    There are Catholics, then there are Good Catholics. There are also lapsed Catholics, and there are some like me who are Recovering Catholics.
    , @Hibernian
    You're ignoring excommunication.
    , @polskijoe
    How about excommunication like someone else said?
    How about communion, confirmation?

    Im talking about someone who is fully Catholic. Joe Biden maybe was baptised, do you think hes Catholic? He seems more like someone who needs to be excommunicated as some archbishop/cardinal suggested.

    Does someone who rejects transubstantiation count as actual Catholic?\
    Or they believe in God, but dont believe in Jesus? Yet they were baptized?

    You see the Catholic Church has allowed 1.3 billion people inside,
    yet most of these a Protestant, or just Christians, or Cultural Catholics.

    There are Catholics who believe in reincarnation, Catholics who think all religions are equal,
    Catholics which follow somethings, others not. Catholics with pagan ideas.
    Catholics who reject the Pope as infallable. Catholics who fully support abortion.

    They have allowed everyone in who was raised Catholic, while hundreds of millions have strayed from the path. Now the Church is so divided thats is crazy to think about.
    , @Alden
    Whatever the income of her parents, Paul Pelosi’s family was very wealthy and Nancy married into that family right after college.

    But she and Paul have become mega mega wealthy due to their employment of illegals
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  138. @Forbes
    The pitfall in judging opening gambits is that they are followed by subsequent moves and counters, and Trump, if nothing else, keeps everyone off-guard and uncertain of his next move. His negotiating style is chaotic, and prone to not revealing his intentions until the opposition reveals theirs. And as a negotiator, Trump likes operate in the driver's seat, and be pro-active--not reactive. He puts the pressure on the other side to be reactive and show their hand.

    As to suggesting he say, “You see, folks, they care more about illegal aliens than they care for you and your children,” is a move that can only be played once--and best saved for a strategic moment. A good negotiator doesn't blow all his ammunition at the outset. Politics requires patience as such policy developments can drag out for years--the DREAM Act was first proposed in 2001 and it's still being discussed in one form or another. DACA was Obama's EO in 2012, and effectively remains unresolved legislatively.

    Realistically, Trump can only move as fast as the DC sausage maker/meat grinder moves. And a good negotiator would use that to his advantage, and not concede out of a sense of urgency. The urgency is all on the open borders/pro-immigration/Pelosi side of the argument to deliver.

    Let’s put it this way: If I was the Dem leadership, I would have hit his bid in the blink of an eye, commended him for caring for all in America, announced that we were now getting on with the important business of keeping America open for business, and then obstruct, obstruct, obstruct for years to come. They decided instead to reach for the brass ring, so only time will tell. In this respect, Trump read the opposition well.

    There has been an authorisation for a wall for more than a decade, but neither party ever got around to appropriating serious coin to build much of it. The Dems could easily promise funding for a wall and then never deliver anything beyond the first shot. Chain migration might be subject to legislation to rein it in, but almost certainly with grandfathering, and the courts will almost certainly find an equal protection penumbra to rule the limits unconstitutional, to which the executive will do precisely nothing. And so on.

    Right now I say there is a 60% chance Republicans will hold the House in 2018, 80% if they take a hard line on this issue, but if they and Trump appear to compromise too much on this red-line issue (the “Will it play in Peoria” principle, where Peoria is still 60% white, but more than half are under 35, so undoubtedly brainwashed), they will lose the House in 2018, and Trump will at best be a lame duck, if not an impeachable duck.

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  139. @Art Deco
    Defining Catholics is hard when it comes to details because in reality there are tons and tons of rules.

    No it's not. There's two rules: (1) is your baptism valid? and (2) if it wasn't conducted by a Catholic priest or lay Catholic, have you been formally received into the Church by clergy so licensed?

    There are Catholics, then there are Good Catholics. There are also lapsed Catholics, and there are some like me who are Recovering Catholics.

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  140. @syonredux

    As, you might argue, has been her every war since 1945 bar her invasion of Afghanistan.
     
    Dunno if I would describe the Korean War as a "war of American aggression." You know, what with North Korea starting it by invading the South....

    “America is great because America is good.” She’s speaking of a country whose every war before 1941 was a war of American aggression.

     

    I wasn't aware that "American aggression" started World War 1. And I'm not sure that the First Barbary War counts as "American aggression," seeing as how it was a response to attacks upon american merchant ships.....

    “Dunno if I would describe the Korean War as a “war of American aggression.” You know, what with North Korea starting it by invading the South….”

    There is no question that NK invaded the south, but there is sufficient evidence to support that it was a response to provocation or actual probes by forces of the Rhee regime. You should look at a couple of histories and see if it becomes less black and white for you.

    I’m an unrepenant Cold Warrior, but I saw enough to know I should never take the official story unquestioningly.

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    Dunno if I would describe the Korean War as a “war of American aggression.” You know, what with North Korea starting it by invading the South….”

    There is no question that NK invaded the south, but there is sufficient evidence to support that it was a response to provocation or actual probes by forces of the Rhee regime. You should look at a couple of histories and see if it becomes less black and white for you.
     
    Eh. Kim Il-sung was pestering Stalin for the go-ahead back in the Spring of '49. Wanna blame anyone, blame Uncle Joe for finally acquiescing to Kim Il-sung's requests.
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  141. @JSM
    "Racist White Person"


    Let's do it, folks. Let's just own it, with relish, like we did Deplorables. I'm ready now to start referring to myself with the title of: A Person of Racism (parellel to Person of Color.) Who's with me?

    "As a Person of Racism, I believe..."

    No. I reject the terms “racism” and “racist” and refer to them in scare quotes. I use “so-called” to disparage them. PC and its ancestor, Marxism, created the terms as weapons to be used in a war against white people. Using their terms is how we lose.

    Instead I use a language of “anti-white” to refer to the anti-white actions of the left, the cucks, and many Jews. Occasionally anti-Gentile, but I find anti-white is clearer. It’s not like their own “anti-Semitic” is particularly clear, as others have said, it’s not like they ever use the term to refer to anti-Arab speech.

    I find that the term anti-white is gaining a lot of currency. Our opponents are anti-white. We are white identitarians, or pro-white, or WN. But definitely race realists.

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    Yes, anti-White is good. WN is good. They are very useful for educating our own woefully brainwashed and browbeaten White American people to stand up for ourselves.

    But "Person of Racism" is so tongue-in-cheek, it makes a mockery of the whole idea of raaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyccccccccccciiiiiisssssssssssssssssss
    as a shut-up word.

    Mocking the Left is the most effective weapon for shut-upping the Left.

    Americans Whites have lost so far because for so many years we took the Left as being sincere, arguing in good faith -- but they aren't, and weren't. All their "arguments" were just manipulations to get White people to feel guilty so they can extract resources from us. There's no point in arguing with them, it's clear, because they aren't arguing in good faith. They are liars and, they must be mocked in order that they shut up.
    , @Alden
    I’ve been using anti White for decades now. I always write anti White affirmative action instead of just affirmative action.
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  142. @Art Deco
    So, the USA’s black population doubled in under 50 years. A fact usually kept very quiet – and a growth rate typical of third world nations.

    About 13% of the population is black. That's the same % it was in 1860. In the intervening 150-odd years that % has fluctuated within a narrow band.

    The total fertility rate of the black population is currently 2.1 children per woman per lifetime, i.e. the replacement rate. Their avenues for natural increase consist of (1) improvements in life expectancy and (2) incorporation of a small number of non-blacks through miscegenation. There's some mechanical increase through immigration, but Caribbean and African immigrants in this country number fewer than 4 million and have some degree of reserve vis a vis the native black population.

    Maybe it’s more visible because they concentrate in cities at the expense of everybody else. The blog Stuff Black People Don’t like has been focusing on one city a day, relating white percentage in the past and today, and then describing results like murder.

    https://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/not-one-white-person-was-victim-or.html?m=1

    In 1970, Syracuse, New York was nearly 90 percent white.

    Today, Syracuse is about 56 percent white.

    It’s now a 29 percent black city and is 8.3 percent Hispanic.

    Why mention this?

    Every homicide in 2017 – all 21 of them – involved both a non-white suspect and non-white victim.

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    I think there are about 4,000 homicides committed in the United States by non-Hispanic whites every year, even if none were in Syracuse and even if Paul Kersey doesn't know it because that's too many to count on your fingers.

    Syracuse actually doesn't have much in the way of slums and it's crime problem is much milder than other cities Upstate. There's lots of room for improvement, of course, but that requires nurturing and motivating your police force, deploying them optimally, and staffing them well. It's not a hugely expensive task, but it does incur more public expense. Mention of that will cause another apoplectic seizure among those in the Unz caucus who seek a negative outcome for black wage earners. Paul Kersey's big idea is to revive restrictive covenants on real estate, which is why non-malicious people don't pay much attention to Paul Kersey.
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  143. @Squanto
    The Pequot were quite happy to have the pilgrims as allies in their war against their hereditary enemies like the Narragansett. They both lost in the century long Darwinian struggle for the continent? Boo 'effing hoo. American Indians can leave the reservation anytime they want. It's not like there's a wall keeping them there.

    Yes, and now you’re losing the struggle for the continent and claim righteousness? Boo effing hoo.

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    A brief glance at comments here would discourage any of the First People from thinking this crowd has their interests at heart.
     
    We Whites here have our *own* interests at heart. If they align with the tribes' on the reservations, that's your luck.

    It's ok that you have no sympathy for us. You aren't going to be any use in a fight, anyway. You live on reservations in squalor, you are drunk -- you got nuthin'.

    As a side note, though, after you get done enjoying your schadenfreude about Whites losing America "cuz we took it from you, serves us right," if you *are* interested about who has / has not your interests at heart, you might wanna give some thought to what will become of you when / if the Chinese move in and take America away from the mestizo millions who took it from *us*.
    Cuz Chinese ain't exactly overwhelmingly easily guilted out of goodies, unlike Whites. You guys on the reservations are gonna be in a world of hurt.
    You're not just gonna be wanting for hooch. You're gonna be starving.

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  144. @jim jones
    Pelosi versus Jordan Peterson is a debate I would like to see

    Are you kidding, are you kidding?

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  145. @SunBakedSuburb
    It's no surprise to Unz Review readers that diversity is a failed experiment. Despite decades of propaganda and brain-washing, in-group preferences remain. I believe the majority of Whites and Blacks, and the rest, prefer to live among their own.

    The ones pushing diversity are elite White liberals; rich White liberals. Even though they abandoned religion generations ago, they still respond to the innate need for an organizing principal. Racial diversity fulfills this need for them. Plus, they get enjoy feeling superior to the rest of us in their gated and guarded enclaves which are free of Black bodies.

    To prevent the current race war from going hot we are going to need separate geographic spaces. Perhaps we can continue to use the republic model without going to the extreme of an ethno-state.

    It tells more about the current Unz Review readers than anything else:

    https://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html

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  146. @The Alarmist

    "Dunno if I would describe the Korean War as a “war of American aggression.” You know, what with North Korea starting it by invading the South…."
     
    There is no question that NK invaded the south, but there is sufficient evidence to support that it was a response to provocation or actual probes by forces of the Rhee regime. You should look at a couple of histories and see if it becomes less black and white for you.

    I'm an unrepenant Cold Warrior, but I saw enough to know I should never take the official story unquestioningly.

    Dunno if I would describe the Korean War as a “war of American aggression.” You know, what with North Korea starting it by invading the South….”

    There is no question that NK invaded the south, but there is sufficient evidence to support that it was a response to provocation or actual probes by forces of the Rhee regime. You should look at a couple of histories and see if it becomes less black and white for you.

    Eh. Kim Il-sung was pestering Stalin for the go-ahead back in the Spring of ’49. Wanna blame anyone, blame Uncle Joe for finally acquiescing to Kim Il-sung’s requests.

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    There is no question that Kim Il Sung and the Russians were pissed that the peninsula-wide elections that had been agreed to at the UN, which the Commies would have almost certainly won because they were better organised, were subverted by the unilateral declaration of the ROK in July 1948, followed by declaration of the DPRK in September 1948. Yeah, Stalin green-lighted the attack, but the initial skirmishes were to deal with ROK forces holding territory north of the agreed 38th parallel.

    There is no doubt of sour grapes on Kim's side, but who is to say it wasn't warranted. Ironically, both Kim and Rhee were puppets who spent a significant number of their formative years outside Korea; Kim in China, and Rhee in the US.

    In my last post I suggested I don't take anything the government tells me unquestionably; while that is a correct statement, it would be more correct to state in this case that I do not take facts that one country invaded another as the root cause of a given war.
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  147. @syonredux

    Dunno if I would describe the Korean War as a “war of American aggression.” You know, what with North Korea starting it by invading the South….”

    There is no question that NK invaded the south, but there is sufficient evidence to support that it was a response to provocation or actual probes by forces of the Rhee regime. You should look at a couple of histories and see if it becomes less black and white for you.
     
    Eh. Kim Il-sung was pestering Stalin for the go-ahead back in the Spring of '49. Wanna blame anyone, blame Uncle Joe for finally acquiescing to Kim Il-sung's requests.

    There is no question that Kim Il Sung and the Russians were pissed that the peninsula-wide elections that had been agreed to at the UN, which the Commies would have almost certainly won because they were better organised, were subverted by the unilateral declaration of the ROK in July 1948, followed by declaration of the DPRK in September 1948. Yeah, Stalin green-lighted the attack, but the initial skirmishes were to deal with ROK forces holding territory north of the agreed 38th parallel.

    There is no doubt of sour grapes on Kim’s side, but who is to say it wasn’t warranted. Ironically, both Kim and Rhee were puppets who spent a significant number of their formative years outside Korea; Kim in China, and Rhee in the US.

    In my last post I suggested I don’t take anything the government tells me unquestionably; while that is a correct statement, it would be more correct to state in this case that I do not take facts that one country invaded another as the root cause of a given war.

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    Yeah, Stalin green-lighted the attack, but the initial skirmishes were to deal with ROK forces holding territory north of the agreed 38th parallel.
     
    Distal vs proximal causes. Kim was doubtless grateful for the skirmishes (good propaganda fodder), but his invasion was not predicated on them. As I noted above, Kim Il-sung's requests for Stalin's approval of his invasion plans went back to the Spring of '49.

    There is no doubt of sour grapes on Kim’s side, but who is to say it wasn’t warranted. Ironically, both Kim and Rhee were puppets who spent a significant number of their formative years outside Korea; Kim in China, and Rhee in the US.
     
    Sometimes puppets play the puppeteer. If Kim Il-sung hadn't been so persistent in his pestering of Stalin....

    while that is a correct statement, it would be more correct to state in this case that I do not take facts that one country invaded another as the root cause of a given war.
     
    In this case, the root cause is that the Korean Peninsula was divided, and Kim Il-sung thought that he could unite it....under his leadership, of course.....
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  148. @TG
    “It may appear to be the interest of the rulers, and the rich of a state, to force population, and thereby lower the price of labour, and consequently the expense of fleets and armies, and the cost of manufactures for foreign sale; but every attempt of the kind should be carefully watched and strenuously resisted by the friends of the poor, particularly when it comes under the deceitful guise of benevolence…”
    T.R. Malthus, “An Essay on the Principle of Population”, 1798

    The Democratic party is not 'liberal' and they have not lost their minds. This fight is all about the enormous profits that come from ever cheaper labor. The Democratic rank-and-file are completely brainwashed, they think exactly as they are told. Witness their worship of Obama even as he stabbed them in the back on the Wall Street Bailouts, spending trillions on pointless wars that enriched politically connected defense contractors etc. The Republican party leadership also serves their wealthy donors and wants cheap labor, but the republican rank and file is still paying attention. They (mostly) won't vote for a candidate who grossly betrays their interests. Hence the tension.

    But all this talk of compassion and morality is so much smokescreen. Do you really think that people like Nancy Pelosi and her wealthy patrons, who have no problem bombing places like Libya into the stone age for no good reason and spreading death and slaughter in ever more countries, care a fig about illegal immigrants? They would machine gun these illegals at the border if the rich found that profitable, and nary a tear shed.

    The Democratic party is not ‘liberal’ and they have not lost their minds. This fight is all about the enormous profits that come from ever cheaper labor

    But it’s all short-term. It’s treating the world as a commons. It will result in their death as surely as ours. They have indeed lost their minds.

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  149. @Art Deco
    Thomas d'Alessandro Jr was an insurance agent with 8 children. They weren't that well off (at least from his legitimate income). He had four terms in Congress, not so long. Maryland politics being what it was, I think he's been assumed to have been on the take, though I don't know that anyone's documented that with forensic accounting.

    The population of the four counties around Baltimore has since 1950 grown more slowly than the rest of the country (the rate of increase has been about 30% under par), but so's New York. Taking the whole settlement, it might have fallen in the rank-order by about 10 places in that time. It's currently about the 18th or 19th largest urban glob in the country. Its real problem has been the decay of public order in the core city, something the political leadership has never cared to address.

    One of Richard Daley Sr.’s sons (not Richard Jr.) was an insurance broker. It’s a good way to make money out of politics if you’re not a lawyer.

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  150. @Art Deco
    Defining Catholics is hard when it comes to details because in reality there are tons and tons of rules.

    No it's not. There's two rules: (1) is your baptism valid? and (2) if it wasn't conducted by a Catholic priest or lay Catholic, have you been formally received into the Church by clergy so licensed?

    You’re ignoring excommunication.

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    Excommunication debars you from the sacraments. You can partake of the sacraments once you've done your penances.
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  151. @Chrisnonymous

    that immigration strengthens our families, our churches and our communities.
     
    ?? ... just words.

    Our Congressmen should be forced to publicly debate issues with lobbyists/advocates for the opposing side on every issue. Imagine the IQ-Squared debates but with Pelosi and Schumer on one side and NumbersUSA or VDare writers on the other. Then they could do the reverse... oh, wait, there aren't any really anti-immigration Congressmen...

    It would be a useful rebuttal to Nancy “Make America White Again” Pelosi to note just how effectively her San Francisco has rid itself of its blacks over the past few decades.

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    San Francisco?! Gross. She lives in Marin. San Francisco is fine for a trip to the museum or a party, but only plebians live there.
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  152. @Anonym
    No. I reject the terms "racism" and "racist" and refer to them in scare quotes. I use "so-called" to disparage them. PC and its ancestor, Marxism, created the terms as weapons to be used in a war against white people. Using their terms is how we lose.

    Instead I use a language of "anti-white" to refer to the anti-white actions of the left, the cucks, and many Jews. Occasionally anti-Gentile, but I find anti-white is clearer. It's not like their own "anti-Semitic" is particularly clear, as others have said, it's not like they ever use the term to refer to anti-Arab speech.

    I find that the term anti-white is gaining a lot of currency. Our opponents are anti-white. We are white identitarians, or pro-white, or WN. But definitely race realists.

    Yes, anti-White is good. WN is good. They are very useful for educating our own woefully brainwashed and browbeaten White American people to stand up for ourselves.

    But “Person of Racism” is so tongue-in-cheek, it makes a mockery of the whole idea of raaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyccccccccccciiiiiisssssssssssssssssss
    as a shut-up word.

    Mocking the Left is the most effective weapon for shut-upping the Left.

    Americans Whites have lost so far because for so many years we took the Left as being sincere, arguing in good faith — but they aren’t, and weren’t. All their “arguments” were just manipulations to get White people to feel guilty so they can extract resources from us. There’s no point in arguing with them, it’s clear, because they aren’t arguing in good faith. They are liars and, they must be mocked in order that they shut up.

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  153. @Art Deco
    So, the USA’s black population doubled in under 50 years. A fact usually kept very quiet – and a growth rate typical of third world nations.

    About 13% of the population is black. That's the same % it was in 1860. In the intervening 150-odd years that % has fluctuated within a narrow band.

    The total fertility rate of the black population is currently 2.1 children per woman per lifetime, i.e. the replacement rate. Their avenues for natural increase consist of (1) improvements in life expectancy and (2) incorporation of a small number of non-blacks through miscegenation. There's some mechanical increase through immigration, but Caribbean and African immigrants in this country number fewer than 4 million and have some degree of reserve vis a vis the native black population.

    I’ve seen reports that indicate that black fertility in the US has actually dropped below replacement levels:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States#Vital_statistics_of_racial_and_ethnic_groups_(since_1935)

    Scroll down to the Vital statistics of racial and ethnic groups (since 1935), in 2015 the black non-Hispanic rate was 1.86, slightly above the non-Hispanic white rate of 1.75.

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    As if they can keep track of black childbearing habits..
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  154. @Anonymous
    Yes, and now you're losing the struggle for the continent and claim righteousness? Boo effing hoo.

    A brief glance at comments here would discourage any of the First People from thinking this crowd has their interests at heart.

    We Whites here have our *own* interests at heart. If they align with the tribes’ on the reservations, that’s your luck.

    It’s ok that you have no sympathy for us. You aren’t going to be any use in a fight, anyway. You live on reservations in squalor, you are drunk — you got nuthin’.

    As a side note, though, after you get done enjoying your schadenfreude about Whites losing America “cuz we took it from you, serves us right,” if you *are* interested about who has / has not your interests at heart, you might wanna give some thought to what will become of you when / if the Chinese move in and take America away from the mestizo millions who took it from *us*.
    Cuz Chinese ain’t exactly overwhelmingly easily guilted out of goodies, unlike Whites. You guys on the reservations are gonna be in a world of hurt.
    You’re not just gonna be wanting for hooch. You’re gonna be starving.

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    Its a lot like hate crime.

    It doesn't matter if someone is killing you out of hate or love, either way, you're dead. But as the underdogs, its pretty damn nice to see the mighty get their noses rubbed in dung first. You'd know how that feels, if you weren't so busy being bullies.

    So yeah, cry some more. The more you talk, the more the facade of being civilized falls. Can't wait until your "Saxon" anger comes out, and you get to prove just how badass you are to the world.

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  155. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “America is so busy ripping itself apart that we can’t even embrace great scientific tasks and projects anymore.”

    I recall around the time of the moon landing in 1968 there was a lot written about how we had had the choice of going to the moon or “solving America’s social problems”, and, evil us, we choose the Apollo program. I don’t recall a lot written assuming we’d flip directions and stop doing things like the moon project while also failing to solve America’s social problems.

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  156. @Art Deco
    Defining Catholics is hard when it comes to details because in reality there are tons and tons of rules.

    No it's not. There's two rules: (1) is your baptism valid? and (2) if it wasn't conducted by a Catholic priest or lay Catholic, have you been formally received into the Church by clergy so licensed?

    How about excommunication like someone else said?
    How about communion, confirmation?

    Im talking about someone who is fully Catholic. Joe Biden maybe was baptised, do you think hes Catholic? He seems more like someone who needs to be excommunicated as some archbishop/cardinal suggested.

    Does someone who rejects transubstantiation count as actual Catholic?\
    Or they believe in God, but dont believe in Jesus? Yet they were baptized?

    You see the Catholic Church has allowed 1.3 billion people inside,
    yet most of these a Protestant, or just Christians, or Cultural Catholics.

    There are Catholics who believe in reincarnation, Catholics who think all religions are equal,
    Catholics which follow somethings, others not. Catholics with pagan ideas.
    Catholics who reject the Pope as infallable. Catholics who fully support abortion.

    They have allowed everyone in who was raised Catholic, while hundreds of millions have strayed from the path. Now the Church is so divided thats is crazy to think about.

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    Im talking about someone who is fully Catholic. Joe Biden maybe was baptised, do you think hes Catholic? He seems more like someone who needs to be excommunicated as some archbishop/cardinal suggested.

    Does someone who rejects transubstantiation count as actual Catholic?\
    Or they believe in God, but dont believe in Jesus? Yet they were baptized?

    You see the Catholic Church has allowed 1.3 billion people inside,
    yet most of these a Protestant, or just Christians, or Cultural Catholics.
     
    Extreme artist Joe Coleman famously said that you can leave Christianity, but if you were raised in the old Baltimore Catechism Catholic Church, you could never leave being Catholic emotionally.

    The second biggest success of the Reformers was the Counter-Reformation. Papal Infallibility, the Assumption of Mary and the rest was a rebellion in turn against that. The RCC in America, with two exceptions, utterly failed to master the new realities of postwar life. One was Bishop Sheen (old Uncle Fulty, who Estevez pere renamed himself after) and the other was EWTN with the old nun Captain Janks used to screw with all the time, Mother Angelica. But Sheen's 'TV ministry' ended in 1957 and EWTN was never really mainstream.

    By contrast, there have been hundreds of 'evangelical', 'fundamentalist', or born-again radio and TV programs in the US in the last sixty years. My Polish grandmother, who attended mass every Sunday, also watched probably five to ten hours a week of various televangelists, from Billy Graham to Ernest Angely (he was fruitier than Lindsey Grahamnesty, if you can believe that) to Garner Ted Armstrong and for all I know Gene Scott. Now if there was a pop quiz in Purgatory on the catechism to get out, what do you think her chances were of getting the Catholic answers after that?

    My younger relatives on my mother's side were Catholics too, but they were big into the Charismatic movement, which is just Pentecostalism with Roman collars on the preachers.
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  157. @Art Deco
    Defining Catholics is hard when it comes to details because in reality there are tons and tons of rules.

    No it's not. There's two rules: (1) is your baptism valid? and (2) if it wasn't conducted by a Catholic priest or lay Catholic, have you been formally received into the Church by clergy so licensed?

    Whatever the income of her parents, Paul Pelosi’s family was very wealthy and Nancy married into that family right after college.

    But she and Paul have become mega mega wealthy due to their employment of illegals

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  158. @Anonym
    No. I reject the terms "racism" and "racist" and refer to them in scare quotes. I use "so-called" to disparage them. PC and its ancestor, Marxism, created the terms as weapons to be used in a war against white people. Using their terms is how we lose.

    Instead I use a language of "anti-white" to refer to the anti-white actions of the left, the cucks, and many Jews. Occasionally anti-Gentile, but I find anti-white is clearer. It's not like their own "anti-Semitic" is particularly clear, as others have said, it's not like they ever use the term to refer to anti-Arab speech.

    I find that the term anti-white is gaining a lot of currency. Our opponents are anti-white. We are white identitarians, or pro-white, or WN. But definitely race realists.

    I’ve been using anti White for decades now. I always write anti White affirmative action instead of just affirmative action.

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  159. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @JSM

    A brief glance at comments here would discourage any of the First People from thinking this crowd has their interests at heart.
     
    We Whites here have our *own* interests at heart. If they align with the tribes' on the reservations, that's your luck.

    It's ok that you have no sympathy for us. You aren't going to be any use in a fight, anyway. You live on reservations in squalor, you are drunk -- you got nuthin'.

    As a side note, though, after you get done enjoying your schadenfreude about Whites losing America "cuz we took it from you, serves us right," if you *are* interested about who has / has not your interests at heart, you might wanna give some thought to what will become of you when / if the Chinese move in and take America away from the mestizo millions who took it from *us*.
    Cuz Chinese ain't exactly overwhelmingly easily guilted out of goodies, unlike Whites. You guys on the reservations are gonna be in a world of hurt.
    You're not just gonna be wanting for hooch. You're gonna be starving.

    Its a lot like hate crime.

    It doesn’t matter if someone is killing you out of hate or love, either way, you’re dead. But as the underdogs, its pretty damn nice to see the mighty get their noses rubbed in dung first. You’d know how that feels, if you weren’t so busy being bullies.

    So yeah, cry some more. The more you talk, the more the facade of being civilized falls. Can’t wait until your “Saxon” anger comes out, and you get to prove just how badass you are to the world.

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  160. @Bill P
    These theatrics on the part of white democrats are part of a duplicitous agenda. Democrats do not want to be held responsible for amnesty.

    The first thing republicans have to understand is that the democrats know that amnesty is political poison, and this is why they see right now, while republicans hold both congress and the presidency, as the time to push it. If republicans cave and sell the American people down the river, they will be blamed (and rightfully so).

    Why didn't democrats do amnesty in 2010? Because they knew it would be political suicide. This is exactly why they want to force republicans to do it now: so that they won't have to take the fall.

    If republicans fall for it, the republican party does not deserve to survive.

    I would also add that in the era of high speed computers, bio metric ID, and electronic sensors we could clamp down so hard on immigration both legal and illegal so hard that it could easily be cut to a trickle. The post Simpson-Mazzolli fake enforcement days are coming to an end. The population is far more red-pilled and thanks to the internet, informed, so there will be no more ineffective measures like virtual fences and voluntary E verify (boy, that worked well). What ever enforcement is enacted, it will work and will never be rolled back.

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  161. @Dr. X
    It's weird -- sick, really -- to see white politicians using the term "white" as an epithet.

    I sure do hope that Trump's agenda is to make America white again, because Pelosi's agenda is white genocide. Pelosi's America is one in which the white males have anal intercourse with each other, white females abort all the white babies, and we import brown people from Mexico and Guatemala to take the place of the white American kids who were never born.

    It’s weird — sick, really — to see white politicians using the term “white” as an epithet.

    What’s weird about it?

    Deracination is the price of admission to their class.

    Now that it’s bled into denationalization (i.e. de-Americanization) and now de-Westernization in the institutions charged with carrying it out, deracination doesn’t seem the unalloyed good it once did when Nancy was going through.

    But it did then and she’s not much for keeping up with things.

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  162. the most effective weapon for shut-upping the Left

    The Left’s sponsors are already very effective at that. So much so that the vast mass of normies have had no idea what they’ve been up to.

    No, the last thing we need is for them to shut up. Let them shout their nonsense from the rooftops, so all can know the kind of people we’re dealing with.

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  163. @AnotherDad
    MAWA!

    I kind of like Make America Caucasian and Civilized Again. MACACA.

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    I kind of like Make America Caucasian and Civilized Again. MACACA.
     
    It would be nice to live in an America that is 80-85% white again. Then electing a Ronald Reagan or Donald Trump would not be such an ordeal. Prior to the 1965 immigration act America was roughly a 9 to 1 nation. 90% white and 10% black (roughly), then you threw in the smaller minorities such as American Indians, Hispanics, a few Chinese and Japanese. This roughly 9-1 ratio had been in place for decades.
    When RR was elected President America was 83% white. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Americans ____ And that white percentage was more solidly European derived, had fewer Hispanic whites than today.
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  164. @Anon
    That is surely worse than Mexicans trying to turn California Mexican again.

    Btw, fewer immigrants means the original peoples of America, the Indian or Native Americans, get to keep America a little more red.

    What is the Indian opinion on this matter?

    Indians feel it was a tragedy to lose their lands to whites. But they also feel whites built a great nation.
    So, as long as Americanism was about peace and rapprochement between whites and Indians, it was good for both sides. Whites took land from Indians but recognize Indians as a people with special claim to America. So, whites need to respect Indians and take good care of the precious land, one of triumph for whites and tragedy for Indians.

    But endless massive immigration totally destroys that narrative. And it breaks the covenant between whites and reds. Reds accepted defeat and ceded the land to whites on condition that whites remain good custodians of it.

    But white elites have gone nuts. They're in shopoholic mode. They are despoiling America by flooding it with more and more people. Worse, as American culture is now so decrepit, these new arrivals turn into gross idiots.

    It's one thing to see things as consumer items. Things are bought, used, and disposed all the time.
    But when consumerism becomes the metaphor for everything, then even Americans aren't merely consumers but consumer items themselves. They also exist to be disposed of and replaced by New Americans. Elites really think this way. Statue of Liberty has become a shopoholic lady addicted to acquiring New Americans like some rich shopohlic woman who always has to buy new shoes and dresses. What she has in her closet is boring since they are 'old'. The excitement comes only with getting New Items. Since New becomes Old once they're acquired, there is an endless demand for newer and newer. Americans are no longer people with history and culture. They are either transient consumers or consumer items. Like people in a movie theater must make way for the new audience, white Americans must make way for New Americans. Or white Americans are like a burger in the stomach. It must be pushed out by bowel movement to be replaced by new burgers. They have no right of continuity and history. No people are allowed that except for Jews and Israel.

    This consumer mentality has infected elites when it comes to Americans. They regard existing Americans as old shoes in the closet. They are madly fixated on acquiring new pairs.
    Hardly surprising in a culture dominated by homosexuals insanely obsessed with glitz and fashion. After all, there is no dirtier word than old-fashioned in the fashion world.

    Hey, both California and Texas now have more Latinos than whites even a reform of immigration to cut chain migration is not going to make them as white as the `1960′s. Pelosi never thinks that 2nd and 3rd generation Mexicans in Kern County which sometimes worked in the oil fields doesn’t like her idea of constant immigration not only from Mexico but China, the Philippines, India and so forth,

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  165. @Art Deco
    So, the USA’s black population doubled in under 50 years. A fact usually kept very quiet – and a growth rate typical of third world nations.

    About 13% of the population is black. That's the same % it was in 1860. In the intervening 150-odd years that % has fluctuated within a narrow band.

    The total fertility rate of the black population is currently 2.1 children per woman per lifetime, i.e. the replacement rate. Their avenues for natural increase consist of (1) improvements in life expectancy and (2) incorporation of a small number of non-blacks through miscegenation. There's some mechanical increase through immigration, but Caribbean and African immigrants in this country number fewer than 4 million and have some degree of reserve vis a vis the native black population.

    The Black fertility rate was higher than the white fertility rate from 1960 – 2015

    This is why the number of Blacks has grown 100% since 1970 while the number of whites has grown just 10%.. The 1970 census counted 21 million Black , 175 Million Whites. The latest government estimates count 43 million Blacks and 195 Million Whites

    in every year , the Black fertility rate is higher than the white fertility rate.
    year—-Black vs White Fertility rate (births per 1000)
    1970 — 25.3 vs 17.4
    1980 — 22.1 vs 14.9
    1990 — 22.4 vs 15.8
    2000 — 17.1 vs 13.9

    Below is a link which indicates fertility rate by race. Fertility rate is determined by race of mother, thus even when a white women has a black child it increases the white fertility rate

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/statab/t001x01.pdf

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  166. @Anonymous
    Its a lot like hate crime.

    It doesn't matter if someone is killing you out of hate or love, either way, you're dead. But as the underdogs, its pretty damn nice to see the mighty get their noses rubbed in dung first. You'd know how that feels, if you weren't so busy being bullies.

    So yeah, cry some more. The more you talk, the more the facade of being civilized falls. Can't wait until your "Saxon" anger comes out, and you get to prove just how badass you are to the world.

    Be careful what you wish for.

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    Try it, brave little boy behind a keyboard. You'll discover how effete you really are. Its a great self-discovery for all bullies everywhere!

    All bombast and no ability makes a bully sad. But hurry and twitter harder!

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  167. Make Nancy Pelosi American Again

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  168. @Alden
    Last I heard it was 270 million

    As far as Nancy Pelosi and her husband – Did I get it right that their primary source of wealth is owning interests in various California restaurants and vineyards.

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  169. @Reg Cæsar
    I kind of like Make America Caucasian and Civilized Again. MACACA.

    I kind of like Make America Caucasian and Civilized Again. MACACA.

    It would be nice to live in an America that is 80-85% white again. Then electing a Ronald Reagan or Donald Trump would not be such an ordeal. Prior to the 1965 immigration act America was roughly a 9 to 1 nation. 90% white and 10% black (roughly), then you threw in the smaller minorities such as American Indians, Hispanics, a few Chinese and Japanese. This roughly 9-1 ratio had been in place for decades.
    When RR was elected President America was 83% white. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Americans ____ And that white percentage was more solidly European derived, had fewer Hispanic whites than today.

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    This roughly 9-1 ratio had been in place for decades.
     
    That's nothing. The antebellum free states were 98-99% white.

    Also, the great wave of interbellum (1866-1917) immigration is what pushed that figure up to 90%, rounded up.
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  170. @Hibernian
    You're ignoring excommunication.

    Excommunication debars you from the sacraments. You can partake of the sacraments once you’ve done your penances.

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    If someone is formally excommunicated, three Our Fathers and two Hail Marys won't get them back in. Admittedly it's done only rarely, for very serious offenses.
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  171. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @polskijoe
    How about excommunication like someone else said?
    How about communion, confirmation?

    Im talking about someone who is fully Catholic. Joe Biden maybe was baptised, do you think hes Catholic? He seems more like someone who needs to be excommunicated as some archbishop/cardinal suggested.

    Does someone who rejects transubstantiation count as actual Catholic?\
    Or they believe in God, but dont believe in Jesus? Yet they were baptized?

    You see the Catholic Church has allowed 1.3 billion people inside,
    yet most of these a Protestant, or just Christians, or Cultural Catholics.

    There are Catholics who believe in reincarnation, Catholics who think all religions are equal,
    Catholics which follow somethings, others not. Catholics with pagan ideas.
    Catholics who reject the Pope as infallable. Catholics who fully support abortion.

    They have allowed everyone in who was raised Catholic, while hundreds of millions have strayed from the path. Now the Church is so divided thats is crazy to think about.

    Im talking about someone who is fully Catholic. Joe Biden maybe was baptised, do you think hes Catholic? He seems more like someone who needs to be excommunicated as some archbishop/cardinal suggested.

    Does someone who rejects transubstantiation count as actual Catholic?\
    Or they believe in God, but dont believe in Jesus? Yet they were baptized?

    You see the Catholic Church has allowed 1.3 billion people inside,
    yet most of these a Protestant, or just Christians, or Cultural Catholics.

    Extreme artist Joe Coleman famously said that you can leave Christianity, but if you were raised in the old Baltimore Catechism Catholic Church, you could never leave being Catholic emotionally.

    The second biggest success of the Reformers was the Counter-Reformation. Papal Infallibility, the Assumption of Mary and the rest was a rebellion in turn against that. The RCC in America, with two exceptions, utterly failed to master the new realities of postwar life. One was Bishop Sheen (old Uncle Fulty, who Estevez pere renamed himself after) and the other was EWTN with the old nun Captain Janks used to screw with all the time, Mother Angelica. But Sheen’s ‘TV ministry’ ended in 1957 and EWTN was never really mainstream.

    By contrast, there have been hundreds of ‘evangelical’, ‘fundamentalist’, or born-again radio and TV programs in the US in the last sixty years. My Polish grandmother, who attended mass every Sunday, also watched probably five to ten hours a week of various televangelists, from Billy Graham to Ernest Angely (he was fruitier than Lindsey Grahamnesty, if you can believe that) to Garner Ted Armstrong and for all I know Gene Scott. Now if there was a pop quiz in Purgatory on the catechism to get out, what do you think her chances were of getting the Catholic answers after that?

    My younger relatives on my mother’s side were Catholics too, but they were big into the Charismatic movement, which is just Pentecostalism with Roman collars on the preachers.

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  172. @J.Ross
    Maybe it's more visible because they concentrate in cities at the expense of everybody else. The blog Stuff Black People Don't like has been focusing on one city a day, relating white percentage in the past and today, and then describing results like murder.
    https://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/not-one-white-person-was-victim-or.html?m=1

    In 1970, Syracuse, New York was nearly 90 percent white.

    Today, Syracuse is about 56 percent white.

    It's now a 29 percent black city and is 8.3 percent Hispanic.

    Why mention this?

    Every homicide in 2017 - all 21 of them - involved both a non-white suspect and non-white victim.
     

    I think there are about 4,000 homicides committed in the United States by non-Hispanic whites every year, even if none were in Syracuse and even if Paul Kersey doesn’t know it because that’s too many to count on your fingers.

    Syracuse actually doesn’t have much in the way of slums and it’s crime problem is much milder than other cities Upstate. There’s lots of room for improvement, of course, but that requires nurturing and motivating your police force, deploying them optimally, and staffing them well. It’s not a hugely expensive task, but it does incur more public expense. Mention of that will cause another apoplectic seizure among those in the Unz caucus who seek a negative outcome for black wage earners. Paul Kersey’s big idea is to revive restrictive covenants on real estate, which is why non-malicious people don’t pay much attention to Paul Kersey.

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    In another thread you used a polite self-deprecation to dismiss a major author of world literature and now you tell a Detroiter that policing a ghetto is a matter of throwing away more money? Are you an accountant? A lawyer? How do you have such command of detail and such inability with facts?
    , @eah
    non-malicious

    So it's "malicious" to practice free association -- or better to actively resist forced association.

    Are borders and passports also "malicious"? Is enforcing immigration law "immoral"? -- ie a kind of "malicious" exclusion?

    If group A does not want to live with members of group B, and group A establishes its own community, and then the members of group A exert what they see as their right to restrict access to their community by members of group B, but they also otherwise never bother or molest or interfere with members of group B in any way, how is that "malicious"? -- why is that necessarily "malicious"?

    Do you think the Amish are "malicious"?

    , @Mr. Anon

    Mention of that will cause another apoplectic seizure among those in the Unz caucus who seek a negative outcome for black wage earners.
     
    No, we just don't want public discourse to be informed by bullshit. Blacks - a group that constitutes about 12-13% of the country's population commit over 50% of the country's murders. Year-in, year-out. Do you dispute this? Do you think it is not better that people know this?

    Paul Kersey’s big idea is to revive restrictive covenants on real estate, which is why non-malicious people don’t pay much attention to Paul Kersey.
     
    The most malicious person on this website is you. And - in case you hadn't noticed, dips**t - nobody here gives a f**k what you think. Paul Kersey is a much better man than you are, you dessicated old nothing.
    , @syonredux

    I think there are about 4,000 homicides committed in the United States by non-Hispanic whites every year, even if none were in Syracuse and even if Paul Kersey doesn’t know it because that’s too many to count on your fingers.
     
    Stats are rather revealing:

    In 2013, number and percentage of murder arrests by race were:

    Black or African Americans 4,379 = 52.2%
    White Americans (including Hispanic Americans) 3,799 = 45.3%
    American Indians or Alaska Natives 98 = 1.06%
    Asian Americans 101 = 1.2%[46][47]
    Inversely, the percentage of individuals in each racial demographic arrested for murder in 2013 was:

    0.01% of Black or African American population (4,379/38,929,319)
    0.0017% of White American and Hispanic American population (3,799/223,553,265)
    0.0033% of American Indian or Alaska Native population (98/2,932,248)
    0.0007% of Asian American population (101/14,674,252)
    0.001% of Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander population (6/540,013)
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

    Blacks are killed at a higher rate in Missouri than in any other state.

    There, the rate of black homicides is nearly 35 per 100,000 black residents, according to a new analysis of 2012 federal data from the Violence Policy Center, a think tank that advocates for tighter gun control. That rate is nearly double the national black homicide rate of 18.03 per 100,000 and nearly eight times the overall national rate of 4.5. Nationally, the white homicide rate was 2.65. Despite making up roughly 1 in 12 Americans, blacks accounted for half of all homicides.
     
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/01/14/map-the-black-homicide-rate-in-almost-every-state/?utm_term=.2459cac48cee

    FBI: UCR, 2016

    Black percentage of people arrested for Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter: 52.6

    White percentage of people arrested for Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter: 44.7

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-21
    , @Eric Novak
    If memory serves me correctly, neither the FBI nor the US DoJ collect conviction, charge, or arrest statistics on non-Hispanic white murderers.
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  173. @Art Deco
    I think there are about 4,000 homicides committed in the United States by non-Hispanic whites every year, even if none were in Syracuse and even if Paul Kersey doesn't know it because that's too many to count on your fingers.

    Syracuse actually doesn't have much in the way of slums and it's crime problem is much milder than other cities Upstate. There's lots of room for improvement, of course, but that requires nurturing and motivating your police force, deploying them optimally, and staffing them well. It's not a hugely expensive task, but it does incur more public expense. Mention of that will cause another apoplectic seizure among those in the Unz caucus who seek a negative outcome for black wage earners. Paul Kersey's big idea is to revive restrictive covenants on real estate, which is why non-malicious people don't pay much attention to Paul Kersey.

    In another thread you used a polite self-deprecation to dismiss a major author of world literature and now you tell a Detroiter that policing a ghetto is a matter of throwing away more money? Are you an accountant? A lawyer? How do you have such command of detail and such inability with facts?

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    @Art Deco

    In another thread you used a polite self-deprecation to dismiss a major author of world literature and now you tell a Detroiter that policing a ghetto is a matter of throwing away more money? Are you an accountant? A lawyer? How do you have such command of detail and such inability with facts?

     

    He's a librarian. Behold the riches of his wisdom.
    , @Art Deco
    In another thread you used a polite self-deprecation to dismiss a major author of world literature and now you tell a Detroiter that policing a ghetto is a matter of throwing away more money? Are you an accountant? A lawyer? How do you have such command of detail and such inability with facts?

    Naguib Mahfouz has been deprecating about his own work. I've read some of it in translation and don't have much to say about it one way or another bar that I've read better. The Nobel Prize for Literature is humbug. Some of the people awarded it may be persons of considerable achievement, but a committee of Scandinavians isn't going to know that unless the authors in question are writing in Danish or Swedish.

    There's nothing about living near Detroit per se that will give Paul Kersey much insight into the mechanics of policing. He can review crime statistics, police budgets, and scholarly and quasi-scholarly assessments of what makes for effective law enforcement. You have effective law enforcement in New York City and in every component of the metropolitan settlement bar a scatter of New Jersey municipalities. Plenty of data there on costs and procedures. A 5% general sales tax would be sufficient to finance a police department staffed as well as New York's in a core municipality which (like that of New York) encompasses about 45% of the whole metropolitan settlement. The rest of the equation is training, deployment, and motivating work forces. New York's per capita prison census is, btw, about 40% below national means. In Detroit, you'd have to start by re-allocating police service provision to a superordinate level of local government - the county or a multi-county authority.

    The very worst neighborhoods in the Five Boroughs (Ocean Hill - Brownsville and Bedford-Stuyvesant) have had homicide rates that bounce around 22 per 100,000 in recent decades. That's only about 10% higher than Buffalo's homicide rate and less than half Detroit's homicide rate. Less than 4% of New York City's population lives in Ocean Hill -Brownsville or Bedford-Stuyvesant. In northern New Jersey and the suburban counties around New York City, you have a densely settled population which approaches 10 million. There are in that population about a half-dozen New Jersey municipalities with homicide rates exceeding 13 per 100,000 in recent years. They have a total population shy of 600,000. The notion bruited about here that the NYPD just pushed the hoodlums into other jurisdictions is not true.
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  175. @Art Deco
    I think there are about 4,000 homicides committed in the United States by non-Hispanic whites every year, even if none were in Syracuse and even if Paul Kersey doesn't know it because that's too many to count on your fingers.

    Syracuse actually doesn't have much in the way of slums and it's crime problem is much milder than other cities Upstate. There's lots of room for improvement, of course, but that requires nurturing and motivating your police force, deploying them optimally, and staffing them well. It's not a hugely expensive task, but it does incur more public expense. Mention of that will cause another apoplectic seizure among those in the Unz caucus who seek a negative outcome for black wage earners. Paul Kersey's big idea is to revive restrictive covenants on real estate, which is why non-malicious people don't pay much attention to Paul Kersey.

    non-malicious

    So it’s “malicious” to practice free association — or better to actively resist forced association.

    Are borders and passports also “malicious”? Is enforcing immigration law “immoral”? — ie a kind of “malicious” exclusion?

    If group A does not want to live with members of group B, and group A establishes its own community, and then the members of group A exert what they see as their right to restrict access to their community by members of group B, but they also otherwise never bother or molest or interfere with members of group B in any way, how is that “malicious”? — why is that necessarily “malicious”?

    Do you think the Amish are “malicious”?

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    So it’s “malicious” to practice free association — or better to actively resist forced association.

    Provisions in law which allow a real estate developer to put enforceable provisions in a deed which dictate who a property owner can and cannot sell to and who he can and cannot rent to is rather antithetical to principles of free association. No serious libertarian would ever subscribe to this nonsense.
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  176. @Mr. Anon

    I wasn’t aware that “American aggression” started World War 1.
     
    One could argue that american agression started "our" WWI, though not "the" WWI. We didn't have to get involved. Indeed, it probably would have been better for all concerned if we had not.

    Neutral Norway got away comparatively light after the US intervention in WWI; only 1.2% off the total population was killed. The Americans had with them a influenza virus. 100 years ago this year!

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  177. @J.Ross
    In another thread you used a polite self-deprecation to dismiss a major author of world literature and now you tell a Detroiter that policing a ghetto is a matter of throwing away more money? Are you an accountant? A lawyer? How do you have such command of detail and such inability with facts?

    In another thread you used a polite self-deprecation to dismiss a major author of world literature and now you tell a Detroiter that policing a ghetto is a matter of throwing away more money? Are you an accountant? A lawyer? How do you have such command of detail and such inability with facts?

    He’s a librarian. Behold the riches of his wisdom.

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  178. @Art Deco
    I think there are about 4,000 homicides committed in the United States by non-Hispanic whites every year, even if none were in Syracuse and even if Paul Kersey doesn't know it because that's too many to count on your fingers.

    Syracuse actually doesn't have much in the way of slums and it's crime problem is much milder than other cities Upstate. There's lots of room for improvement, of course, but that requires nurturing and motivating your police force, deploying them optimally, and staffing them well. It's not a hugely expensive task, but it does incur more public expense. Mention of that will cause another apoplectic seizure among those in the Unz caucus who seek a negative outcome for black wage earners. Paul Kersey's big idea is to revive restrictive covenants on real estate, which is why non-malicious people don't pay much attention to Paul Kersey.

    Mention of that will cause another apoplectic seizure among those in the Unz caucus who seek a negative outcome for black wage earners.

    No, we just don’t want public discourse to be informed by bullshit. Blacks – a group that constitutes about 12-13% of the country’s population commit over 50% of the country’s murders. Year-in, year-out. Do you dispute this? Do you think it is not better that people know this?

    Paul Kersey’s big idea is to revive restrictive covenants on real estate, which is why non-malicious people don’t pay much attention to Paul Kersey.

    The most malicious person on this website is you. And – in case you hadn’t noticed, dips**t – nobody here gives a f**k what you think. Paul Kersey is a much better man than you are, you dessicated old nothing.

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  179. @Achmed E. Newman
    There's a tennis player named Tennys? What's the odds of that?

    1 to 1

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  180. @Anonym
    Now that's a campaign slogan I can get behind!

    Make America White Again!

    In doing so it will also make it great. Every single of the top 10 countries of the world are primarily NW Euro stock. We build better countries!

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/07/these-countries-have-the-highest-quality-of-life

    Absolutely correct.

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  181. @Art Deco
    I think there are about 4,000 homicides committed in the United States by non-Hispanic whites every year, even if none were in Syracuse and even if Paul Kersey doesn't know it because that's too many to count on your fingers.

    Syracuse actually doesn't have much in the way of slums and it's crime problem is much milder than other cities Upstate. There's lots of room for improvement, of course, but that requires nurturing and motivating your police force, deploying them optimally, and staffing them well. It's not a hugely expensive task, but it does incur more public expense. Mention of that will cause another apoplectic seizure among those in the Unz caucus who seek a negative outcome for black wage earners. Paul Kersey's big idea is to revive restrictive covenants on real estate, which is why non-malicious people don't pay much attention to Paul Kersey.

    I think there are about 4,000 homicides committed in the United States by non-Hispanic whites every year, even if none were in Syracuse and even if Paul Kersey doesn’t know it because that’s too many to count on your fingers.

    Stats are rather revealing:

    In 2013, number and percentage of murder arrests by race were:

    Black or African Americans 4,379 = 52.2%
    White Americans (including Hispanic Americans) 3,799 = 45.3%
    American Indians or Alaska Natives 98 = 1.06%
    Asian Americans 101 = 1.2%[46][47]
    Inversely, the percentage of individuals in each racial demographic arrested for murder in 2013 was:

    0.01% of Black or African American population (4,379/38,929,319)
    0.0017% of White American and Hispanic American population (3,799/223,553,265)
    0.0033% of American Indian or Alaska Native population (98/2,932,248)
    0.0007% of Asian American population (101/14,674,252)
    0.001% of Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander population (6/540,013)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

    Blacks are killed at a higher rate in Missouri than in any other state.

    There, the rate of black homicides is nearly 35 per 100,000 black residents, according to a new analysis of 2012 federal data from the Violence Policy Center, a think tank that advocates for tighter gun control. That rate is nearly double the national black homicide rate of 18.03 per 100,000 and nearly eight times the overall national rate of 4.5. Nationally, the white homicide rate was 2.65. Despite making up roughly 1 in 12 Americans, blacks accounted for half of all homicides.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/01/14/map-the-black-homicide-rate-in-almost-every-state/?utm_term=.2459cac48cee

    FBI: UCR, 2016

    Black percentage of people arrested for Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter: 52.6

    White percentage of people arrested for Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter: 44.7

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-21

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  182. @Anonym
    Be careful what you wish for.

    Try it, brave little boy behind a keyboard. You’ll discover how effete you really are. Its a great self-discovery for all bullies everywhere!

    All bombast and no ability makes a bully sad. But hurry and twitter harder!

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    If whites were going to turn violent over these issues they would have done so in the 1960s or 70s. It's far too late now. If whites are to survive in the future they need to keep their heads down and avoid drawing attention to themselves. Violence is suicide.
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  183. @Simply Simon
    Your comments are a statement of undeniable fact. Which brings me to wonder why middle-class Democrats cannot see the obvious and how it will adversely affect their lives and the lives of children and grandchildren in the not too distant future. Why can't they see that race suicide will be the inevitable result.

    r

    Either they are self hating, or they really do think some how their pets will spare them as they are “good whites”. They really do think they will never get robbed, raped, murdered by MS13 in their gated communities, or replaced with a qotoa, or their kids will get in to college rather some AA case. Feels vs reals

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  184. Well, the world seems intent on poking the bear, so maybe we will see.

    Remember that all people in existence have ancestors who won wars of conquest, all soil is conquered soil. All peoples are bullies if we are honest about it.

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  185. @Russ
    It would be a useful rebuttal to Nancy "Make America White Again" Pelosi to note just how effectively her San Francisco has rid itself of its blacks over the past few decades.

    San Francisco?! Gross. She lives in Marin. San Francisco is fine for a trip to the museum or a party, but only plebians live there.

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    San Francisco is probably the major city with the highest patrician to plebian ratio.
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  186. @Perspective
    I've seen reports that indicate that black fertility in the US has actually dropped below replacement levels:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States#Vital_statistics_of_racial_and_ethnic_groups_(since_1935)

    Scroll down to the Vital statistics of racial and ethnic groups (since 1935), in 2015 the black non-Hispanic rate was 1.86, slightly above the non-Hispanic white rate of 1.75.

    As if they can keep track of black childbearing habits..

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  187. @Paleo Liberal
    I am mostly white, but a member of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma.

    I can tell you a few things.

    First, there is NO standard Indian opinion. I always said, if you put 4 Indians together you will get at least 5 different opinions.

    Also, most Indians HATE to have someone speak for them. There was a lot of animosity against Yeagley because (a) he seemed to claim to speak for all Indians and (b) they thought he was too subservient to whites.

    However, here are some facts:

    Go to any pow-wow. Veterans are servicemen are honored at pow-wows, ALWAYS. White people are NOT permitted to dance, but in some situations at SOME pow-wows, white vets will be invited to march with Indian vets. (Sorry, but rules are rules. Also, ladies are NOT permitted to drum. It just isn't done). In fact, there are some functions at pow-wows that ONLY veterans are permitted to perform.

    Indians have served in our armed forces far more than any other group of people. Indians have been protecting this land forever, and will continue to do so.

    I had mixed feelings about Dr. Yeagley. I saw his points, and I understood why some people whom I respected disliked him.

    However, and this is speaking ONLY for myself, I am sympathetic to his point.

    My Indian ancestors welcomed the white newcomers. My tribe split apart, and even had a decades-long civil war, because of the fights between those who welcomed the whites and those who did not. My male Indian ancestors were killed, after they had kids at least.

    I can see massive immigration, and the exploitation of immigrants, can cause horrible wars.
    Such as the Cherokee Civil War, which at one point had the pro-white side fighting for the Confederates while the anti-white side fought for the Union. My Indian ancestors fought with the South.
    Or, how about the Texas War of Independence? Mexico let in unlimited immigrants, and what did they do? Fought a war against their adopted country, and eventually joined their old country.
    Or, how about the American Civil War? Lots of cheap labor brought over in chain migration. Led to what was the most violent war up to that point.

    First, there is NO standard Indian opinion. I always said, if you put 4 Indians together you will get at least 5 different opinions.

    LOL. Sounds a lot like white people which is why we’re in the process of losing this nation at present.

    But I’d like to think from a rational Indian’s perspective that the white man is the devil that they know, figuratively speaking. So they would be taking an ill advised and monumental risk if they think supporting the displacement of the white man would be in their best interests.

    Whatever Indians, the various tribes and those of partial Indian descent think of David Yeagley he was at least very pragmatic and clear headed on what the demographic displacement of whites via mass third world immigration would likely portend for American Indians and it wouldn’t be positive.

    This, I believe, is why he supported pro-white racial causes and not because he was subservient or because he supinely wished to curry favor with whites.

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  188. @J.Ross
    In another thread you used a polite self-deprecation to dismiss a major author of world literature and now you tell a Detroiter that policing a ghetto is a matter of throwing away more money? Are you an accountant? A lawyer? How do you have such command of detail and such inability with facts?

    In another thread you used a polite self-deprecation to dismiss a major author of world literature and now you tell a Detroiter that policing a ghetto is a matter of throwing away more money? Are you an accountant? A lawyer? How do you have such command of detail and such inability with facts?

    Naguib Mahfouz has been deprecating about his own work. I’ve read some of it in translation and don’t have much to say about it one way or another bar that I’ve read better. The Nobel Prize for Literature is humbug. Some of the people awarded it may be persons of considerable achievement, but a committee of Scandinavians isn’t going to know that unless the authors in question are writing in Danish or Swedish.

    There’s nothing about living near Detroit per se that will give Paul Kersey much insight into the mechanics of policing. He can review crime statistics, police budgets, and scholarly and quasi-scholarly assessments of what makes for effective law enforcement. You have effective law enforcement in New York City and in every component of the metropolitan settlement bar a scatter of New Jersey municipalities. Plenty of data there on costs and procedures. A 5% general sales tax would be sufficient to finance a police department staffed as well as New York’s in a core municipality which (like that of New York) encompasses about 45% of the whole metropolitan settlement. The rest of the equation is training, deployment, and motivating work forces. New York’s per capita prison census is, btw, about 40% below national means. In Detroit, you’d have to start by re-allocating police service provision to a superordinate level of local government – the county or a multi-county authority.

    The very worst neighborhoods in the Five Boroughs (Ocean Hill – Brownsville and Bedford-Stuyvesant) have had homicide rates that bounce around 22 per 100,000 in recent decades. That’s only about 10% higher than Buffalo’s homicide rate and less than half Detroit’s homicide rate. Less than 4% of New York City’s population lives in Ocean Hill -Brownsville or Bedford-Stuyvesant. In northern New Jersey and the suburban counties around New York City, you have a densely settled population which approaches 10 million. There are in that population about a half-dozen New Jersey municipalities with homicide rates exceeding 13 per 100,000 in recent years. They have a total population shy of 600,000. The notion bruited about here that the NYPD just pushed the hoodlums into other jurisdictions is not true.

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    I don't think that "Jack Maple" is a denomination of currency, I don't trust city governments to spend money properly, and if your plan to save Detroit involves raising taxes or imposing new ones then there is nothing to write against this idea any more than you can refute the man who wants to save money on air conditioning by breathing pure helium.
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  189. @eah
    non-malicious

    So it's "malicious" to practice free association -- or better to actively resist forced association.

    Are borders and passports also "malicious"? Is enforcing immigration law "immoral"? -- ie a kind of "malicious" exclusion?

    If group A does not want to live with members of group B, and group A establishes its own community, and then the members of group A exert what they see as their right to restrict access to their community by members of group B, but they also otherwise never bother or molest or interfere with members of group B in any way, how is that "malicious"? -- why is that necessarily "malicious"?

    Do you think the Amish are "malicious"?

    So it’s “malicious” to practice free association — or better to actively resist forced association.

    Provisions in law which allow a real estate developer to put enforceable provisions in a deed which dictate who a property owner can and cannot sell to and who he can and cannot rent to is rather antithetical to principles of free association. No serious libertarian would ever subscribe to this nonsense.

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    You did not answer specific, simple, direct questions -- what a surprise.

    No serious libertarian would ever subscribe to this nonsense.

    Blah blah.

    Back in the real world, something else: go look up the white/black victimization rates in interracial crime, particularly violent crime, eg murder -- I think you know what you'll find.

    So who is really being "malicious" here? -- Whites who don't want to associate with Blacks, and seek ways to avoid having to associate with them? -- or people who think they should not be allowed to avoid it? -- maybe the federal government which via Section 8 injects the black underclass and its accompanying higher criminality into places where neither is wanted?
    , @Anon
    Not being a libertarian makes you malicious?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    No serious libertarian would ever subscribe to this nonsense.
     
    Libertarians were a lot more serious forty or fifty years ago than they are now, and the concept of covenants was certainly entertained, if not always "subscribed to".

    Here's a discussion from Bryan Caplan's blog, with guess-who showing up in the comments:

    http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2010/06/restrictive_cov.html
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  190. @Art Deco
    So it’s “malicious” to practice free association — or better to actively resist forced association.

    Provisions in law which allow a real estate developer to put enforceable provisions in a deed which dictate who a property owner can and cannot sell to and who he can and cannot rent to is rather antithetical to principles of free association. No serious libertarian would ever subscribe to this nonsense.

    You did not answer specific, simple, direct questions — what a surprise.

    No serious libertarian would ever subscribe to this nonsense.

    Blah blah.

    Back in the real world, something else: go look up the white/black victimization rates in interracial crime, particularly violent crime, eg murder — I think you know what you’ll find.

    So who is really being “malicious” here? — Whites who don’t want to associate with Blacks, and seek ways to avoid having to associate with them? — or people who think they should not be allowed to avoid it? — maybe the federal government which via Section 8 injects the black underclass and its accompanying higher criminality into places where neither is wanted?

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    Blah blah.
     
    "Blah, blah, blah" is the essence of Art Deco's thinking, and his contribution to this or any other website, including his own.
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  191. @Art Deco
    So it’s “malicious” to practice free association — or better to actively resist forced association.

    Provisions in law which allow a real estate developer to put enforceable provisions in a deed which dictate who a property owner can and cannot sell to and who he can and cannot rent to is rather antithetical to principles of free association. No serious libertarian would ever subscribe to this nonsense.

    Not being a libertarian makes you malicious?

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  192. @The Alarmist
    There is no question that Kim Il Sung and the Russians were pissed that the peninsula-wide elections that had been agreed to at the UN, which the Commies would have almost certainly won because they were better organised, were subverted by the unilateral declaration of the ROK in July 1948, followed by declaration of the DPRK in September 1948. Yeah, Stalin green-lighted the attack, but the initial skirmishes were to deal with ROK forces holding territory north of the agreed 38th parallel.

    There is no doubt of sour grapes on Kim's side, but who is to say it wasn't warranted. Ironically, both Kim and Rhee were puppets who spent a significant number of their formative years outside Korea; Kim in China, and Rhee in the US.

    In my last post I suggested I don't take anything the government tells me unquestionably; while that is a correct statement, it would be more correct to state in this case that I do not take facts that one country invaded another as the root cause of a given war.

    Yeah, Stalin green-lighted the attack, but the initial skirmishes were to deal with ROK forces holding territory north of the agreed 38th parallel.

    Distal vs proximal causes. Kim was doubtless grateful for the skirmishes (good propaganda fodder), but his invasion was not predicated on them. As I noted above, Kim Il-sung’s requests for Stalin’s approval of his invasion plans went back to the Spring of ’49.

    There is no doubt of sour grapes on Kim’s side, but who is to say it wasn’t warranted. Ironically, both Kim and Rhee were puppets who spent a significant number of their formative years outside Korea; Kim in China, and Rhee in the US.

    Sometimes puppets play the puppeteer. If Kim Il-sung hadn’t been so persistent in his pestering of Stalin….

    while that is a correct statement, it would be more correct to state in this case that I do not take facts that one country invaded another as the root cause of a given war.

    In this case, the root cause is that the Korean Peninsula was divided, and Kim Il-sung thought that he could unite it….under his leadership, of course…..

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    OK, you set me straight, dude: American-backed dictators who violate international agreements and want to have the whole show for themselves are good, and commie dictators who respond to provocations, but also want the whole show to themselves because they would have had it through elections that were thwarted by the US are bad.

    I have no brief for the commies: When they do elections, the practical effect is generally "one and done," but looking back at the '40s and '50s, a country that prided itself on self-determination and rule of law spent a lot of time preventing elections because the people were likely to vote contrary to its wishes. The modern day equivalent of this is the US Democratic Party and the EU.

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  193. @Art Deco
    In another thread you used a polite self-deprecation to dismiss a major author of world literature and now you tell a Detroiter that policing a ghetto is a matter of throwing away more money? Are you an accountant? A lawyer? How do you have such command of detail and such inability with facts?

    Naguib Mahfouz has been deprecating about his own work. I've read some of it in translation and don't have much to say about it one way or another bar that I've read better. The Nobel Prize for Literature is humbug. Some of the people awarded it may be persons of considerable achievement, but a committee of Scandinavians isn't going to know that unless the authors in question are writing in Danish or Swedish.

    There's nothing about living near Detroit per se that will give Paul Kersey much insight into the mechanics of policing. He can review crime statistics, police budgets, and scholarly and quasi-scholarly assessments of what makes for effective law enforcement. You have effective law enforcement in New York City and in every component of the metropolitan settlement bar a scatter of New Jersey municipalities. Plenty of data there on costs and procedures. A 5% general sales tax would be sufficient to finance a police department staffed as well as New York's in a core municipality which (like that of New York) encompasses about 45% of the whole metropolitan settlement. The rest of the equation is training, deployment, and motivating work forces. New York's per capita prison census is, btw, about 40% below national means. In Detroit, you'd have to start by re-allocating police service provision to a superordinate level of local government - the county or a multi-county authority.

    The very worst neighborhoods in the Five Boroughs (Ocean Hill - Brownsville and Bedford-Stuyvesant) have had homicide rates that bounce around 22 per 100,000 in recent decades. That's only about 10% higher than Buffalo's homicide rate and less than half Detroit's homicide rate. Less than 4% of New York City's population lives in Ocean Hill -Brownsville or Bedford-Stuyvesant. In northern New Jersey and the suburban counties around New York City, you have a densely settled population which approaches 10 million. There are in that population about a half-dozen New Jersey municipalities with homicide rates exceeding 13 per 100,000 in recent years. They have a total population shy of 600,000. The notion bruited about here that the NYPD just pushed the hoodlums into other jurisdictions is not true.

    I don’t think that “Jack Maple” is a denomination of currency, I don’t trust city governments to spend money properly, and if your plan to save Detroit involves raising taxes or imposing new ones then there is nothing to write against this idea any more than you can refute the man who wants to save money on air conditioning by breathing pure helium.

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    Bear? More like a castrated old man with his balls in a vice screaming "I am powerful! You should all fear me! But you never had it better than under my thumb! I am very nice to you all, you should be happy to be our slaves!"

    Loud but dickless.

    And no. Most humans at least have some shame.

    But like I said, you deserve each other. Deep and hard. I will let you know if reptile aliens with high tech who wipe out most of humans and keep the rest in zoos are also worth special sympathy someday when the tide changes because they say "we have civilization!"

    , @Art Deco
    and if your plan to save Detroit i

    I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Same deal with Mr. eah.
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  194. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    I don't think that "Jack Maple" is a denomination of currency, I don't trust city governments to spend money properly, and if your plan to save Detroit involves raising taxes or imposing new ones then there is nothing to write against this idea any more than you can refute the man who wants to save money on air conditioning by breathing pure helium.

    Bear? More like a castrated old man with his balls in a vice screaming “I am powerful! You should all fear me! But you never had it better than under my thumb! I am very nice to you all, you should be happy to be our slaves!”

    Loud but dickless.

    And no. Most humans at least have some shame.

    But like I said, you deserve each other. Deep and hard. I will let you know if reptile aliens with high tech who wipe out most of humans and keep the rest in zoos are also worth special sympathy someday when the tide changes because they say “we have civilization!”

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  195. @J.Ross
    I don't think that "Jack Maple" is a denomination of currency, I don't trust city governments to spend money properly, and if your plan to save Detroit involves raising taxes or imposing new ones then there is nothing to write against this idea any more than you can refute the man who wants to save money on air conditioning by breathing pure helium.

    and if your plan to save Detroit i

    I see reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit. Same deal with Mr. eah.

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  196. @SimpleSong
    This is a good point--reading the comments here it becomes very apparent very quickly this is an unusually sharp commentariat, and I would assume this translates into some degree of real-world influence. It is also unusually friendly, even during disagreements, which I think is a sign that many of the commenters are in positions of real-world influence. People with actual authority don't get upset that someone anonymously disagrees with them on the internet. I'm not sure if Steve is doing a lot of filtering or how it is happening, but the results are pretty impressive.

    I don't get the impression that it is a large group (either of readers or commenters) compared to more mainstream sites. However it seems to have a relatively high proportion of people who get smacked in the face by physical reality a lot. Lots of physicists, it seems, as well as mathematicians and other physical scientists/engineers. Lots of physicians and law enforcement, as well--they get it two ways; lots of exposure to the ultimate indifference of nature, as well as constant exposure to HBD.

    I also think there are some journos lurking here as well. Occasionally I read an opinion piece that reminds me a lot of a comment on iSteve; but more fleshed out and made more politically palatable.
    I'm not sure if people are trying out their material, or running with other people's material. (To be clear I don't think there is anything morally wrong with either of these, free exchange of ideas and all, and I can't really be sure that this is happening.)

    Also, I'm pretty sure Tiny Duck is a University President somewhere.

    Tiny Duck works for Right Stuff and Richard Spencer’s organization.

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  197. @Art Deco
    I think there are about 4,000 homicides committed in the United States by non-Hispanic whites every year, even if none were in Syracuse and even if Paul Kersey doesn't know it because that's too many to count on your fingers.

    Syracuse actually doesn't have much in the way of slums and it's crime problem is much milder than other cities Upstate. There's lots of room for improvement, of course, but that requires nurturing and motivating your police force, deploying them optimally, and staffing them well. It's not a hugely expensive task, but it does incur more public expense. Mention of that will cause another apoplectic seizure among those in the Unz caucus who seek a negative outcome for black wage earners. Paul Kersey's big idea is to revive restrictive covenants on real estate, which is why non-malicious people don't pay much attention to Paul Kersey.

    If memory serves me correctly, neither the FBI nor the US DoJ collect conviction, charge, or arrest statistics on non-Hispanic white murderers.

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    If memory serves me correctly, neither the FBI nor the US DoJ collect conviction, charge, or arrest statistics on non-Hispanic white murderers.

    The Bureau of Justice Statistics does collect data on Hispanic offenders, as do state agencies. They also have data on the prison census. As we speak, about 80,000 blacks are incarcerated on homicide charges, about 55,000 hispanics, and about 55,000 white Anglos.
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  198. @eah
    You did not answer specific, simple, direct questions -- what a surprise.

    No serious libertarian would ever subscribe to this nonsense.

    Blah blah.

    Back in the real world, something else: go look up the white/black victimization rates in interracial crime, particularly violent crime, eg murder -- I think you know what you'll find.

    So who is really being "malicious" here? -- Whites who don't want to associate with Blacks, and seek ways to avoid having to associate with them? -- or people who think they should not be allowed to avoid it? -- maybe the federal government which via Section 8 injects the black underclass and its accompanying higher criminality into places where neither is wanted?

    Blah blah.

    “Blah, blah, blah” is the essence of Art Deco’s thinking, and his contribution to this or any other website, including his own.

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  199. @Clyde

    I kind of like Make America Caucasian and Civilized Again. MACACA.
     
    It would be nice to live in an America that is 80-85% white again. Then electing a Ronald Reagan or Donald Trump would not be such an ordeal. Prior to the 1965 immigration act America was roughly a 9 to 1 nation. 90% white and 10% black (roughly), then you threw in the smaller minorities such as American Indians, Hispanics, a few Chinese and Japanese. This roughly 9-1 ratio had been in place for decades.
    When RR was elected President America was 83% white. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Americans ____ And that white percentage was more solidly European derived, had fewer Hispanic whites than today.

    This roughly 9-1 ratio had been in place for decades.

    That’s nothing. The antebellum free states were 98-99% white.

    Also, the great wave of interbellum (1866-1917) immigration is what pushed that figure up to 90%, rounded up.

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    That’s nothing. The antebellum free states were 98-99% white.
     
    This is an amazing percentage. Besides the whites just some Indians and some fewer blacks. Before the US Civil War Nova Scotia might have had a higher percentage of blacks than say Massachusetts or NY.
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  200. @Art Deco
    So it’s “malicious” to practice free association — or better to actively resist forced association.

    Provisions in law which allow a real estate developer to put enforceable provisions in a deed which dictate who a property owner can and cannot sell to and who he can and cannot rent to is rather antithetical to principles of free association. No serious libertarian would ever subscribe to this nonsense.

    No serious libertarian would ever subscribe to this nonsense.

    Libertarians were a lot more serious forty or fifty years ago than they are now, and the concept of covenants was certainly entertained, if not always “subscribed to”.

    Here’s a discussion from Bryan Caplan’s blog, with guess-who showing up in the comments:

    http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2010/06/restrictive_cov.html

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    and the concept of covenants was certainly entertained, if not always “subscribed to”.

    I don't think what Mr. Kersey has in mind is a landscape of condo developments. Restrictive covenants emerged in the early 20th century and were promoted and enforced through municipal ordinances.
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  201. @Anonymous
    Try it, brave little boy behind a keyboard. You'll discover how effete you really are. Its a great self-discovery for all bullies everywhere!

    All bombast and no ability makes a bully sad. But hurry and twitter harder!

    If whites were going to turn violent over these issues they would have done so in the 1960s or 70s. It’s far too late now. If whites are to survive in the future they need to keep their heads down and avoid drawing attention to themselves. Violence is suicide.

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  202. @syonredux

    Yeah, Stalin green-lighted the attack, but the initial skirmishes were to deal with ROK forces holding territory north of the agreed 38th parallel.
     
    Distal vs proximal causes. Kim was doubtless grateful for the skirmishes (good propaganda fodder), but his invasion was not predicated on them. As I noted above, Kim Il-sung's requests for Stalin's approval of his invasion plans went back to the Spring of '49.

    There is no doubt of sour grapes on Kim’s side, but who is to say it wasn’t warranted. Ironically, both Kim and Rhee were puppets who spent a significant number of their formative years outside Korea; Kim in China, and Rhee in the US.
     
    Sometimes puppets play the puppeteer. If Kim Il-sung hadn't been so persistent in his pestering of Stalin....

    while that is a correct statement, it would be more correct to state in this case that I do not take facts that one country invaded another as the root cause of a given war.
     
    In this case, the root cause is that the Korean Peninsula was divided, and Kim Il-sung thought that he could unite it....under his leadership, of course.....

    OK, you set me straight, dude: American-backed dictators who violate international agreements and want to have the whole show for themselves are good, and commie dictators who respond to provocations, but also want the whole show to themselves because they would have had it through elections that were thwarted by the US are bad.

    I have no brief for the commies: When they do elections, the practical effect is generally “one and done,” but looking back at the ’40s and ’50s, a country that prided itself on self-determination and rule of law spent a lot of time preventing elections because the people were likely to vote contrary to its wishes. The modern day equivalent of this is the US Democratic Party and the EU.

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  203. @Reg Cæsar

    This roughly 9-1 ratio had been in place for decades.
     
    That's nothing. The antebellum free states were 98-99% white.

    Also, the great wave of interbellum (1866-1917) immigration is what pushed that figure up to 90%, rounded up.

    That’s nothing. The antebellum free states were 98-99% white.

    This is an amazing percentage. Besides the whites just some Indians and some fewer blacks. Before the US Civil War Nova Scotia might have had a higher percentage of blacks than say Massachusetts or NY.

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  204. @Eric Novak
    If memory serves me correctly, neither the FBI nor the US DoJ collect conviction, charge, or arrest statistics on non-Hispanic white murderers.

    If memory serves me correctly, neither the FBI nor the US DoJ collect conviction, charge, or arrest statistics on non-Hispanic white murderers.

    The Bureau of Justice Statistics does collect data on Hispanic offenders, as do state agencies. They also have data on the prison census. As we speak, about 80,000 blacks are incarcerated on homicide charges, about 55,000 hispanics, and about 55,000 white Anglos.

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    Angles and Hispanic peoples represent a retarded, fake dichotomy of European (white) peoples. The figure you are citing as "Anglo" (itself an annoying term...) includes Slavs, Celts, Balts, and any number of other ethnicities who are as inarguably white and European as they inarguably are neither Hispanic nor Angles.
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  205. @Reg Cæsar

    No serious libertarian would ever subscribe to this nonsense.
     
    Libertarians were a lot more serious forty or fifty years ago than they are now, and the concept of covenants was certainly entertained, if not always "subscribed to".

    Here's a discussion from Bryan Caplan's blog, with guess-who showing up in the comments:

    http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2010/06/restrictive_cov.html

    and the concept of covenants was certainly entertained, if not always “subscribed to”.

    I don’t think what Mr. Kersey has in mind is a landscape of condo developments. Restrictive covenants emerged in the early 20th century and were promoted and enforced through municipal ordinances.

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  206. @syonredux

    That’s because traditional Catholic Mexicans wouldn’t vote Democrat without the immigration issue. “abortion, homosexuality, divorce, pornography, Christian symbols in public, praying in public” are non-negotiable to trad Catholics,
     
    How many Mexicans are "trad Catholics?" Mexico is a pretty debauched place. And the LGBT agenda is doing quite well down South:

    Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) rights in Mexico have expanded in recent years, in keeping with worldwide legal trends. The intellectual influence of the French Revolution and the brief French occupation of Mexico (1862–67) resulted in the adoption of the Napoleonic Code, which decriminalized same-sex sexual acts in 1871.
     

    On 3 June 2015, the Supreme Court of Justice of the Nation released a "jurisprudential thesis" in which the legal definition of marriage was changed to encompass same-sex couples. The articles in the constitution restricting marriage to a man and a woman were deemed unconstitutional by the court and thus every justice provider in the nation must validate same-sex unions, thus legalizing same-sex marriage. However, the process is lengthy as couples must request a jurisdiction from a judge, a process that can take significantly longer than the process for an opposite-sex wedding.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Mexico

    The articles in the constitution restricting marriage to a man and a woman were deemed unconstitutional by the court

    Again the the Wikiwhathefuk nonsense. I lack time or inclination to unearth the actual words of the court, but it most certainly did not declare that the constitution itself is unconstitutional for the same reasons no sane person has ever decreed the proof an animal is no cat is that animal’s feline character. Please stop posting nonsense. Here’s some commentary by a homo who understands Mexican jurisprudence better than you and the jackasses at WikiwhotheHell:

    https://wockner.blogspot.com/2016/06/mexicos-wild-ride-to-marriage-equality.html

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  207. @Random Dude on the Internet
    The tribes have lower birthrates than whites so they're useless to the Democrats.

    Numerically they are nothing, but morally, the Dems would look even more like fools if they were pitted against the original inhabitants of the land that they have pretended to care about since the 60s.

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  208. @Art Deco
    If memory serves me correctly, neither the FBI nor the US DoJ collect conviction, charge, or arrest statistics on non-Hispanic white murderers.

    The Bureau of Justice Statistics does collect data on Hispanic offenders, as do state agencies. They also have data on the prison census. As we speak, about 80,000 blacks are incarcerated on homicide charges, about 55,000 hispanics, and about 55,000 white Anglos.

    Angles and Hispanic peoples represent a retarded, fake dichotomy of European (white) peoples. The figure you are citing as “Anglo” (itself an annoying term…) includes Slavs, Celts, Balts, and any number of other ethnicities who are as inarguably white and European as they inarguably are neither Hispanic nor Angles.

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  209. @Art Deco
    Excommunication debars you from the sacraments. You can partake of the sacraments once you've done your penances.

    If someone is formally excommunicated, three Our Fathers and two Hail Marys won’t get them back in. Admittedly it’s done only rarely, for very serious offenses.

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  210. @Autochthon
    San Francisco?! Gross. She lives in Marin. San Francisco is fine for a trip to the museum or a party, but only plebians live there.

    San Francisco is probably the major city with the highest patrician to plebian ratio.

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  211. @Wilkey
    “The 50 percent cut to legal immigration in the framework and the recent announcements to end Temporary Protected Status for Central Americans and Haitians are both part of the same cruel agenda.

    Well the program does have the word "temporary" in the title, doesn't it?

    Open borders advocates are so brazenly dishonest and anti-white that they've become parodies of themselves.

    They get in a rage when a program they call "temporary" isn't treated as permanent.

    They claim "anchor baby" is a xenophobic term then tell us we can't deport illegals because of the children they've had while living here.

    They bash the nuclear family in every other context but then demand that immigrants have the right to move their entire clan to the country to prevent "breaking up families," when the easiest way to prevent family breakup would be not to let people immigrate here to begin with.

    They tell us one enforcement plan after another won't work - eVerify, denying them drivers licenses, denying their kids access to public education, building a wall - then fight tooth and nail against even testing the measures to see if they would work - because their real fear is that they would work.

    They talk about "cruel" cuts to legal immigration while always neglecting to mention the immense number of people we allow to immigration each year (over 1.1 million per year).

    They talk about population replacement as a duty of the United States while, if the situation were reversed, they would call it evil Western colonialism.

    They throw the book at people who break even minor laws that they prefer, perfectly willing to destroy lives and career over even minor cases of real (or alleged) discrimination or sexual harassment, then demand that we forgive crimes of people who flagrantly break our immigration laws.

    They do absolutely every single thing they can to undermine laws actually on the books, written and passed by Congress, while creating programs (DACA, DAPA) with no congressional authority whatsoever.

    Then they wonder why we won't sit down and make a deal with them.

    And they wonder why the American people get angrier and angrier about the issue and elect a guy who talks the way Donald Trump talks.

    nice

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  212. @Bill P
    These theatrics on the part of white democrats are part of a duplicitous agenda. Democrats do not want to be held responsible for amnesty.

    The first thing republicans have to understand is that the democrats know that amnesty is political poison, and this is why they see right now, while republicans hold both congress and the presidency, as the time to push it. If republicans cave and sell the American people down the river, they will be blamed (and rightfully so).

    Why didn't democrats do amnesty in 2010? Because they knew it would be political suicide. This is exactly why they want to force republicans to do it now: so that they won't have to take the fall.

    If republicans fall for it, the republican party does not deserve to survive.

    Even if the Repubs don’t do amnesty now, they don’t deserve to survive.

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