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Earlier today, I posted an op-ed written by a Boston city planner and climate change activist who advocates for bicycles to reduce climate emissions. She takes a trip to her bicycle mecca, Amsterdam, and meets with city planners to find out how they’ve made their city so bike-friendly. But slowly, the horrifying truth dawns on her: the Dutch bureaucrats build fast, big, cheaply, and beautifully by focusing on the greatest good for the greatest number (i.e., Dutchmen) rather than on Centering the Marginalized like American city planners have been trained to do, which is a big reason few things get built in America.

Readers have pointed out yesterday’s New York Times article about how Who? Whom? thinking has halted any progress on turning an abandoned bridge across the Anacostia River near the US Capitol into a park, but that’s a good thing because urban planners have been busy for 11 years trying to figure out how to prevent their planned park from causing gentrification.

Can Anacostia Build a Bridge Without Displacing Its People?

A decade in the works, the 11th Street Bridge Park in Washington, D.C., has yet to be built. But it could be a model for how to create public space while lessening the effects of gentrification.
By Megan Kimble

A new bridge for cars was built, but there are some disused piers from the old bridge still in the river. What if they they built a new bridge over them and made it a park? It would be kind of like the wildly popular High Line footpath along a disused elevated rail line on the west side of Manhattan. People would love it!

But what if white people loved it so much that they would want to move to the black slum of Anacostia and bring their Magic Dirt with them, oppressing blacks by taking away their natural right to live practically in the shadow of the US Capitol building on the cheap (due to all the Tragic Dirt)?

By 2015, half of Washington’s Black population lived east of the river, where decades of disinvestment and racially restrictive redlining had depressed property values, concentrated poverty and left residents struggling to access basic services. …

Mr. Bey felt protective of his neighbors, worried that people who had lived in the area for decades would be priced out just as the neighborhood was beginning to flourish. “That seems like a system error,” Mr. Bey told me. “Why do we have to move out for everything to succeed and be beautiful?” …

The same question occupied Scott Kratz, the director of the 11th Street Bridge Park, for the better part of a decade. Mr. Kratz moved to Washington in 2006 with his wife and bought a house in Capitol Hill, four blocks from the Anacostia River.

… “So the biggest lesson we talk about with new projects is to think really carefully about who’s benefiting from that value.”

When Mr. Kratz set about building a bridge park, he was captivated by the idea of restitching Washington across the river that had long been an economic and racial divide. But he was from elsewhere, part of the wave of newcomers that had reshaped the city. Longtime residents and Ward 8 leaders pressed him to think bigger, beyond the footprint of the bridge itself.

… People in Ward 8 wanted this project, as small as it was, to be different. They wanted it to enrich the Black community that was already there, not accelerate an influx of white people. They wanted the value created by the bridge park to be invested in their neighborhoods. They wanted to own their own homes. They wanted well-paid jobs. They wanted art and music — and artists and musicians as neighbors. They wanted fresh food and safe streets.

It was a lot to ask of a bridge. But Mr. Kratz quickly learned that he couldn’t just build a bridge and ignore the needs of the community that contained it.

The bridge park has yet to be built. Walk down to the waterfront and all you see are those three old piers jutting out of the Anacostia River. But, in another sense, it does exist.

In the sense that Mr. Kratz has been paid for the last 8 years to struggle with how to square the circle of building something nice without it benefiting white people.

A physical landscape — homes, gardens, classrooms — has arisen out of the promise of a park. Over the past decade, Mr. Kratz and many others have tried to build this park differently, grappling at every step with the question that had so troubled Mr. Bey: Whom would it be for?

Note: Construction projects never wind up looking like they do in their renderings at sunset.

Like Stalin said: Who? Whom?

But from the beginning, this destination represented a threat to the existing neighborhood.

After OMA and Olin’s winning entry was published, Mr. Long said, real estate agents started using the rendering in home listings, touting proximity to the future bridge park. …

By 2014, Mr. Kratz had quit his job at the museum and joined the staff of a longtime Ward 8 nonprofit called, fittingly, Building Bridges Across the River as the director of the still-inchoate 11th Street Bridge Park. …

The park’s budget is roughly \$177 million, with \$45 million from the city. By the time it breaks ground in 2024, some \$85 million of that will have already been spent on affordable housing, job training and community empowerment.

I.e., paying off community organizers has almost doubled the price tag. They are a big reason why we can’t have nice things.

 
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  1. Anonymous[666] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    Steve, in case you’re standing on a street corner in Winslow, Arizona waiting to learn how the Kherson Offensive is going— the same offensive you wrote about breathlessly a few weeks back— well, we found out today from Zelensky’s top advisor, Mykhailo Podolyak, that it was all just “information warfare” (psyops). I.e., it was all a lie. 🤦‍♂️

    But on the optimistic side, at least the Kherson Offensive isn’t going as badly for Ukraine as the other battles.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Anonymous


    Anonymous[666]
     
    The Antichrist lurks among us!
    , @J.Ross
    @Anonymous

    Believing the Ukrainian government, especially the current one, is one thing, but at least Steve didn't send them any money. Except through taxes.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous

    Steve, you should throw these guys a bone--a Putin's War thread--every week.

    Many of the boys here apparently find war--including this pointless war--as endlessly compelling as the girls find their hair.

    Replies: @anonymous, @AndrewR, @Nervous in Stalingrad

    , @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    It's a good thing that the Russians never lie:


    Moscow’s military insists that its installation did not come under fire. The statement added that the incident had not led to any casualties among personnel or any damage to military aircraft stationed at the base.
     
    https://www.rt.com/russia/560543-crimea-air-base-blasts/

    Satellite tells a different story:

    https://www.reuters.com/resizer/BiU7cgGShu4QzajKkYkIx04PalI=/1200x0/filters:quality(80)/cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/KXATXXRTRZMQNKN3CZ4CECHDGI.jpg

    Russia really needs to catch up with modern technology - bald faced lying is much harder when there are cameras everywhere. The dindus in America have the same problem now that there are security cameras up and down every block.

    Even the pro-war commentators in Russia are starting to get sick of government lies. They say it would be less humiliating to admit a Ukrainian hit than to keep pretending that Russians troops are so incompetent that they constantly set their own ammo dumps on fire.

    Replies: @George, @Jim Christian, @Jim Christian

    , @HA
    @Anonymous

    "Mykhailo Podolyak, that it was all just “information warfare” (psyops)."

    Weird that there's no link or any backing to that statement. The only recent news of note I could find regarding Podolyak were stories like this, regarding the explosions in Crimea:


    "Officially, we are not confirming or denying anything; there are numerous scenarios for what might have happened... bearing in mind that there were several epicentres of explosions at exactly the same time," Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak told Reuters in a message.
     
    It may well be the case that getting the Russians all hyped about moving resources to Kherson now (the Ukrainians are actually claiming the timeline for retaking it is by the end of the year) was indeed nothing but psyops designed to take the Russians by surprise regarding Crimea and to generally soften them up by messing with their heads -- i.e., precisly what psyops is supposed to do.

    If that's the case, it appears to have been 100% successful. Sure, the Russians will retaliate -- except they'll decide to kill civilians instead of military targets, maybe even toss in a dirty nuke or two, eventually -- but that's just how they roll.

    So did the Ukrainians blow up Crimea? "We neither confirm nor deny." Did they just this last night decide to do a hit in Belarus? Could be. Anyone's guess. Maybe it's just more psyops.

    But if it is, it seems to be doing the trick.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Pop Warner
    @Anonymous

    I think we're on 3 or 4 Kherson offensives now. And the NATO lackeys always seem to have amnesia about the previous one when praising the upcoming offensive.

    But don't worry, I have it on good authority that Kherson will be in Ukrainian hands in two weeks, just you wait

  2. I see your point. But I have some others.

    The number of people who got the new housing and the job training would have been few; the many will end up being pushed out of their cheap black neighborhood. I would not want to be an American black who came from slavery and see one of my few economic advantages — cheap old housing nobody else wanted — be taken away from me. I feel for these people. I really do. Something they thought they could count on forever is going away.

    That is also happening to millions of other people across America as rent refugees from expensive places fan out across America looking for housing they can afford.

    They end up in smaller places with cheaper housing but fewer rentals and a lower wage scale. When enough rent refugees come, they cause supply and demand to change and they make rents unaffordable to the local people already there.

    This process has been happening in places not too far from our county. These places were already getting an sizable to huge influx of Hispanics. We are getting some black rent refugees but no surge of Hispanics — yet. Things are not crazy here — yet.

    I do not want them to get crazy. So those well to do whites and Asians who are pushing rent refugees my way? No, I do not support them. I want the established minority neighborhoods to stay as is.

    Do not get me started on Biden bringing in all the poor immigrants and all those extra rent refugees they will create. Of course there are a lot more lower income immigrants than gentrifiers so I am much more ticked off about them.

    For the many here who own their own homes and do not share my perspective, remember you are good but your kids and grandkids will be affected by this huge and worsening housing crisis that seems to have no end.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @notsaying


    The number of people who got the new housing and the job training would have been few; the many will end up being pushed out of their cheap black neighborhood. I would not want to be an American black who came from slavery and see one of my few economic advantages — cheap old housing nobody else wanted — be taken away from me. I feel for these people. I really do. Something they thought they could count on forever is going away.

    That is also happening to millions of other people across America as rent refugees from expensive places fan out across America looking for housing they can afford.
     
    Spot on.

    The slimy "nation of immigrants" people who like throwing around words like "nativist" at patriots who care about their nation and their children's future, have in the last few decades totally trashed the great American patrimony of affordable housing and "affordable family formation". And now in the past couple years with the Fauci and Open Borders the chickens have really come home to roost.

    If we can not get conservative candidates who will pick up this trillion dollar bill laying on the political sidewalk and run with it ... then politics is hopeless and we should just go ahead and start the war.
    , @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @notsaying

    That is also happening to millions of other people across America as rent refugees from expensive places fan out across America looking for housing they can afford.there.

    They end up in smaller places with cheaper housing but fewer rentals and a lower wage scale. When enough rent refugees come, they cause supply and demand to change and they make rents unaffordable to the local people already there.

    ^^^This.

    I myself was recently priced out of my hometown, Mesa, AZ, by California bastards who, by moving here, got themselves the housing equivalent of an upgrade from coach to business class. Problem is, for every one of them who does that, a local gets thrown off the plane. Actually, in practice, more than one gets thrown off, because the bastards turn NIMBY the second they move here and, just like they did back in California, artificially restrict the supply of housing by using the zoning process to block the construction of high-density, low-rent housing--which is often the only type of housing that the displaced locals can afford.

    I was lucky to find another place to live in Phoenix, but who knows how long this will last.

    I don't often agree with blacks but I hope they kill every SWPL soyjack gentrifier that tries to colonize their neighborhoods, especially of they're from California.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Paul Jolliffe
    @notsaying

    “I want the established minority neighborhoods to stay as is.”

    So does everyone here - except for the “minorities” who DON’T want to live in those minority neighborhoods.

    Nobody, especially middle class African Americans, wants to live in an all-black neighborhood. (I don’t blame them for leaving. If I were them, I’d move out as soon as possible.)

  3. The people in Ward 8 want things that can only happen…. once they’re gone.

    • Thanks: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Redneck farmer

    That's the crux of it: the foundational conundrum.

    , @HammerJack
    @Redneck farmer

    Exactly. Sadly or otherwise.


    They wanted it to enrich the Black community that was already there, not accelerate an influx of white people. They wanted the value created by the bridge park to be invested in their neighborhoods. They wanted to own their own homes. They wanted well-paid jobs. They wanted art and music — and artists and musicians as neighbors. They wanted fresh food and safe streets.
     
    So many things they wanted! So many things which are mutually incompatible, or require hard work and self-discipline, or require white people. So many conundrums.

    Can't these things just be given to them? How many more hundreds of millions of dollars would it take? How many billions have been thrown down the rat hole so far? Is anyone keeping track?

    Since LBJ declared the Great Society, it's literally been trillions. Anyone keeping track? Oh well. No worries. We can always print more, right?

    Q: So you're just printing money?
    Bernanke: Not literally.

    , @nokangaroos
    @Redneck farmer


    "Why do we have to move out for everything to succeed and be beautiful?"
     
    I think I wet myself just a little :D
  4. @Redneck farmer
    The people in Ward 8 want things that can only happen.... once they're gone.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @HammerJack, @nokangaroos

    That’s the crux of it: the foundational conundrum.

  5. @Redneck farmer
    The people in Ward 8 want things that can only happen.... once they're gone.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @HammerJack, @nokangaroos

    Exactly. Sadly or otherwise.

    They wanted it to enrich the Black community that was already there, not accelerate an influx of white people. They wanted the value created by the bridge park to be invested in their neighborhoods. They wanted to own their own homes. They wanted well-paid jobs. They wanted art and music — and artists and musicians as neighbors. They wanted fresh food and safe streets.

    So many things they wanted! So many things which are mutually incompatible, or require hard work and self-discipline, or require white people. So many conundrums.

    Can’t these things just be given to them? How many more hundreds of millions of dollars would it take? How many billions have been thrown down the rat hole so far? Is anyone keeping track?

    Since LBJ declared the Great Society, it’s literally been trillions. Anyone keeping track? Oh well. No worries. We can always print more, right?

    Q: So you’re just printing money?
    Bernanke: Not literally.

  6. I have always lived in the DC area–Go Redskins–but I have no sympathy for all the blacks being pushed out of DC into PG County. They had years to buy their places or whatever. There have been so many efforts to get them to get off free rent, and buy, but they never took any of those options.

    I only weep for PG County, which used to be a Southern tobacco-planting county with hillbillies and rednecks running the roost. Now it’s a ghetto run gun-fight county, with sassy blacks sashaying around the court house in Upper Marlboro. PG is the most dysfuncional county in the country. Let them all award each other multi-million dollar awards for ‘racism’. Who cares, you’ll never get the money, and if you do the Koreans will have it before the sun sets.

    • Troll: West reanimator
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Tim


    I have no sympathy for all the blacks being pushed out of DC into PG County.
     
    That is a sentiment that is widely shared in the larger area. On the Virginia side, do people who live along the Hwy 1 corridor, let alone those in McLean and Reston Town Center, really want more displaced blacks in their neighborhoods?

    Who cares, you’ll never get the money, and if you do the Koreans will have it before the sun sets.
     
    Koreans used to live in Maryland years and years ago, but have left the state in droves and now congregate around Centreville, VA. The "hillbillies and rednecks running the roost" previously in Centreville seem to like them as neighbors (lots of new churches and fried chicken joints).

    https://hoodmaps.com/fairfax-neighborhood-map

    (Pity and accurate: "Annandale: Korean businesses, but no Koreans").

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Twinkie

    , @ForeverCARealist
    @Tim

    Your comment is a nice contrast to the one above by notsaying.

    You two should do a comment debate from your own persepectives and see if we can't get this broadcast to a wider public, because I can sympathize with both of you.

    , @E. Rekshun
    @Tim

    Redskins! Tee hee!

    , @E. Rekshun
    @Tim

    Let them all award each other multi-million dollar awards for ‘racism’.

    USA Today, 08/10/22 - 8 corrections officers who were barred from guarding Derek Chauvin get $1.5M settlement

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/08/10/minnesota-officers-barred-guarding-derek-chauvin-settlement/10285001002/#:~:text=Eight%20Minnesota%20corrections%20officers%2C%20all,nearly%20%241.5%20million%20settlement%20Tuesday.


    Eight Minnesota corrections officers, all people of color who said they were barred from interacting with Derek Chauvin while he was awaiting trial in the death of George Floyd, were awarded a nearly $1.5 million settlement Tuesday.

    Chauvin was arrested for Floyd's murder on May 29, 2020, and brought to the Ramsey County Adult Detention Center. The officers – who identify as African American, Hispanic, Pacific Islander American and multiracial – alleged former jail superintendent Steve Lydon prohibited all officers of color from guarding Chauvin or entering the floor where he was being held just before he arrived. The order was rescinded about an hour later, according to a resolution to a lawsuit the officers filed.

    Lydon reportedly told his superiors that he made the decision "to protect and support" minority employees by keeping them away from the former Minneapolis police officer, the Star Tribune reported.

    “Out of care and concern, and without the comfort of time, I made a decision to limit exposure to employees of color to a murder suspect who could potentially aggravate those feelings,” Lydon said in a statement given during an internal investigation that the sheriff’s office provided the Star Tribune shortly after the incident.

    Lydon was later demoted but still works for the Ramsey County Sheriff's Office, which runs the jail.

    Board Chairwoman Trista MatasCastillo apologized in a statement "for the trauma you experienced and the ongoing harm this racist incident caused."

    "The actions taken by Sheriff’s Office leadership that day were more than just wrong – they were racist, heinous, highly disrespectful and completely out of line with Ramsey County’s vision and values," she said. "No one ever should have questioned your ability to perform your job based on the color of your skin."


     

    , @West reanimator
    @Tim

    Meant to tag "thanks" and hit "troll" instead. Sorry!

  7. An easy fix: no lights at night.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  8. The solution is easy: just shoot any white who dares trespass on the Black bridge. Problem solved.

  9. @Anonymous
    OT:

    Steve, in case you’re standing on a street corner in Winslow, Arizona waiting to learn how the Kherson Offensive is going— the same offensive you wrote about breathlessly a few weeks back— well, we found out today from Zelensky’s top advisor, Mykhailo Podolyak, that it was all just “information warfare” (psyops). I.e., it was all a lie. 🤦‍♂️

    But on the optimistic side, at least the Kherson Offensive isn’t going as badly for Ukraine as the other battles.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Jack D, @HA, @Pop Warner

    Anonymous[666]

    The Antichrist lurks among us!

  10. The same question occupied Scott Kratz, the director of the 11th Street Bridge Park, for the better part of a decade. Mr. Kratz moved to Washington in 2006 with his wife and bought a house in Capitol Hill, four blocks from the Anacostia River.

    It was a lot to ask of a bridge. But Mr. Kratz quickly learned that he couldn’t just build a bridge and ignore the needs of the community that contained it.

    The bridge park has yet to be built. Walk down to the waterfront and all you see are those three old piers jutting out of the Anacostia River. But, in another sense, it does exist.

    In the sense that Mr. Kratz has been paid for the last 8 years to struggle with how to square the circle of building something nice without it benefiting white people.

    A physical landscape — homes, gardens, classrooms — has arisen out of the promise of a park. Over the past decade, Mr. Kratz and many others have tried to build this park differently, grappling at every step with the question that had so troubled Mr. Bey: Whom would it be for?

    The park’s budget is roughly \$177 million, with \$45 million from the city. By the time it breaks ground in 2024, some \$85 million of that will have already been spent on affordable housing, job training and community empowerment.

    I.e., paying off community organizers has almost doubled the price tag. They are a big reason why we can’t have nice things.

    It is hardly the only reason–or even the main reason. The primary reason is we have to feed the Mr. Kratz’s–all the lawyers, bureaucrats, consultants, bureaucrats … and oh, did I mention lawyers–as well. And they are hell of a lot more expensive than the bus drivers and cafeteria ladies and metro drivers and welfare cases in Anacostia.

    This is basically an argument about divvying up the loot between two groups of parasites–while you pay.

    Instead of building this bridge, let’s start de-funding DC and distribution the few actually useful departments and employees around the nation. The DC housing situation will radically improve and the Anacostians can keep their crappy neighborhood.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  11. @notsaying
    I see your point. But I have some others.

    The number of people who got the new housing and the job training would have been few; the many will end up being pushed out of their cheap black neighborhood. I would not want to be an American black who came from slavery and see one of my few economic advantages -- cheap old housing nobody else wanted -- be taken away from me. I feel for these people. I really do. Something they thought they could count on forever is going away.

    That is also happening to millions of other people across America as rent refugees from expensive places fan out across America looking for housing they can afford.

    They end up in smaller places with cheaper housing but fewer rentals and a lower wage scale. When enough rent refugees come, they cause supply and demand to change and they make rents unaffordable to the local people already there.

    This process has been happening in places not too far from our county. These places were already getting an sizable to huge influx of Hispanics. We are getting some black rent refugees but no surge of Hispanics -- yet. Things are not crazy here -- yet.

    I do not want them to get crazy. So those well to do whites and Asians who are pushing rent refugees my way? No, I do not support them. I want the established minority neighborhoods to stay as is.

    Do not get me started on Biden bringing in all the poor immigrants and all those extra rent refugees they will create. Of course there are a lot more lower income immigrants than gentrifiers so I am much more ticked off about them.

    For the many here who own their own homes and do not share my perspective, remember you are good but your kids and grandkids will be affected by this huge and worsening housing crisis that seems to have no end.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @Paul Jolliffe

    The number of people who got the new housing and the job training would have been few; the many will end up being pushed out of their cheap black neighborhood. I would not want to be an American black who came from slavery and see one of my few economic advantages — cheap old housing nobody else wanted — be taken away from me. I feel for these people. I really do. Something they thought they could count on forever is going away.

    That is also happening to millions of other people across America as rent refugees from expensive places fan out across America looking for housing they can afford.

    Spot on.

    The slimy “nation of immigrants” people who like throwing around words like “nativist” at patriots who care about their nation and their children’s future, have in the last few decades totally trashed the great American patrimony of affordable housing and “affordable family formation”. And now in the past couple years with the Fauci and Open Borders the chickens have really come home to roost.

    If we can not get conservative candidates who will pick up this trillion dollar bill laying on the political sidewalk and run with it … then politics is hopeless and we should just go ahead and start the war.

  12. “Lessening the effects of gentrification.” Not distributing them equally. Lessening the effects. Less cleanliness, less business. So, maximizing the ghetto?

  13. @Anonymous
    OT:

    Steve, in case you’re standing on a street corner in Winslow, Arizona waiting to learn how the Kherson Offensive is going— the same offensive you wrote about breathlessly a few weeks back— well, we found out today from Zelensky’s top advisor, Mykhailo Podolyak, that it was all just “information warfare” (psyops). I.e., it was all a lie. 🤦‍♂️

    But on the optimistic side, at least the Kherson Offensive isn’t going as badly for Ukraine as the other battles.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Jack D, @HA, @Pop Warner

    Believing the Ukrainian government, especially the current one, is one thing, but at least Steve didn’t send them any money. Except through taxes.

  14. @Anonymous
    OT:

    Steve, in case you’re standing on a street corner in Winslow, Arizona waiting to learn how the Kherson Offensive is going— the same offensive you wrote about breathlessly a few weeks back— well, we found out today from Zelensky’s top advisor, Mykhailo Podolyak, that it was all just “information warfare” (psyops). I.e., it was all a lie. 🤦‍♂️

    But on the optimistic side, at least the Kherson Offensive isn’t going as badly for Ukraine as the other battles.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Jack D, @HA, @Pop Warner

    Steve, you should throw these guys a bone–a Putin’s War thread–every week.

    Many of the boys here apparently find war–including this pointless war–as endlessly compelling as the girls find their hair.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @AnotherDad


    Many of the boys here apparently find war–including this pointless war–as endlessly compelling
     
    Pointless? Is it not in Russia’s interests to control the Ukraine?
    , @AndrewR
    @AnotherDad

    I imagine there were people like you in 1939 who found it boring to talk about the invasion of Poland. And I imagine those people irritated thinking people as much as you do.

    Replies: @peterike, @AnotherDad

    , @Nervous in Stalingrad
    @AnotherDad


    Steve, you should throw these guys a bone–a Putin’s War thread–every week.
     
    You know what might be awfully interesting? If someone were to produce a weekly spreadsheet that listed and totted up all the porky pies told by the Russians and the Ukrainians.

    (Imagine the size of that speadsheet.)

    Some suggested categories might be: "gently pulling our leg," "blatant porky pie," and "absolute howler."

    I understand Steve prides himself as a Big Data sort of chap. Successfully navigating such Deep Data waters would likely have people regarding him as a Gargantuan Data one.
  15. @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous

    Steve, you should throw these guys a bone--a Putin's War thread--every week.

    Many of the boys here apparently find war--including this pointless war--as endlessly compelling as the girls find their hair.

    Replies: @anonymous, @AndrewR, @Nervous in Stalingrad

    Many of the boys here apparently find war–including this pointless war–as endlessly compelling

    Pointless? Is it not in Russia’s interests to control the Ukraine?

  16. @Tim
    I have always lived in the DC area--Go Redskins--but I have no sympathy for all the blacks being pushed out of DC into PG County. They had years to buy their places or whatever. There have been so many efforts to get them to get off free rent, and buy, but they never took any of those options.

    I only weep for PG County, which used to be a Southern tobacco-planting county with hillbillies and rednecks running the roost. Now it's a ghetto run gun-fight county, with sassy blacks sashaying around the court house in Upper Marlboro. PG is the most dysfuncional county in the country. Let them all award each other multi-million dollar awards for 'racism'. Who cares, you'll never get the money, and if you do the Koreans will have it before the sun sets.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @ForeverCARealist, @E. Rekshun, @E. Rekshun, @West reanimator

    I have no sympathy for all the blacks being pushed out of DC into PG County.

    That is a sentiment that is widely shared in the larger area. On the Virginia side, do people who live along the Hwy 1 corridor, let alone those in McLean and Reston Town Center, really want more displaced blacks in their neighborhoods?

    Who cares, you’ll never get the money, and if you do the Koreans will have it before the sun sets.

    Koreans used to live in Maryland years and years ago, but have left the state in droves and now congregate around Centreville, VA. The “hillbillies and rednecks running the roost” previously in Centreville seem to like them as neighbors (lots of new churches and fried chicken joints).

    https://hoodmaps.com/fairfax-neighborhood-map

    (Pity and accurate: “Annandale: Korean businesses, but no Koreans”).

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Twinkie

    Old Town Alexandria: Illuminati HQ !

    , @Twinkie
    @Twinkie


    Pity and accurate
     
    Pithy, not pity.
  17. @Twinkie
    @Tim


    I have no sympathy for all the blacks being pushed out of DC into PG County.
     
    That is a sentiment that is widely shared in the larger area. On the Virginia side, do people who live along the Hwy 1 corridor, let alone those in McLean and Reston Town Center, really want more displaced blacks in their neighborhoods?

    Who cares, you’ll never get the money, and if you do the Koreans will have it before the sun sets.
     
    Koreans used to live in Maryland years and years ago, but have left the state in droves and now congregate around Centreville, VA. The "hillbillies and rednecks running the roost" previously in Centreville seem to like them as neighbors (lots of new churches and fried chicken joints).

    https://hoodmaps.com/fairfax-neighborhood-map

    (Pity and accurate: "Annandale: Korean businesses, but no Koreans").

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Twinkie

    Old Town Alexandria: Illuminati HQ !

    • Agree: Twinkie
  18. Inasmuch as blacks will get into brawls and many blacks don’t know how to swim, I’d say a park over water is liable to cause gentrification in more ways than one.

    • LOL: Kylie
  19. @Twinkie
    @Tim


    I have no sympathy for all the blacks being pushed out of DC into PG County.
     
    That is a sentiment that is widely shared in the larger area. On the Virginia side, do people who live along the Hwy 1 corridor, let alone those in McLean and Reston Town Center, really want more displaced blacks in their neighborhoods?

    Who cares, you’ll never get the money, and if you do the Koreans will have it before the sun sets.
     
    Koreans used to live in Maryland years and years ago, but have left the state in droves and now congregate around Centreville, VA. The "hillbillies and rednecks running the roost" previously in Centreville seem to like them as neighbors (lots of new churches and fried chicken joints).

    https://hoodmaps.com/fairfax-neighborhood-map

    (Pity and accurate: "Annandale: Korean businesses, but no Koreans").

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Twinkie

    Pity and accurate

    Pithy, not pity.

  20. Why don’t they just have a system where whites are only allowed to live in one area…and blacks are allowed to live wherever they want?

    Maybe the bridge can be for blacks only?

    This sounds familiar….

    FTR I think the park is a stupid idea..so it’s fine by me that it’s just a cover for welfare payments

  21. @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous

    Steve, you should throw these guys a bone--a Putin's War thread--every week.

    Many of the boys here apparently find war--including this pointless war--as endlessly compelling as the girls find their hair.

    Replies: @anonymous, @AndrewR, @Nervous in Stalingrad

    I imagine there were people like you in 1939 who found it boring to talk about the invasion of Poland. And I imagine those people irritated thinking people as much as you do.

    • Replies: @peterike
    @AndrewR


    I imagine there were people like you in 1939 who found it boring to talk about the invasion of Poland. And I imagine those people irritated thinking people as much as you do.
     
    Well, the parallel is apt. In 1939, Germany entered into a border skirmish with Poland, after a lot of deceitful negotiating on the Polish side. The rest of Europe should have responded by doing exactly nothing, and letting the two sides deal with it. We might have avoided WWII as a result. But the globalist crowd wanted a war with Germany and they got it.

    Today, Russia entered into a border skirmish with Ukraine, after a lot of deceitful negotiating on the Ukrainian side. The rest of Europe should have responded by doing exactly nothing, and letting the two sides deal with it. But the globalist crowd wanted a war with Russia and they got it. Let's hope they don't also get WWIII.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @AnotherDad
    @AndrewR


    I imagine there were people like you in 1939 who found it boring to talk about the invasion of Poland. And I imagine those people irritated thinking people as much as you do.
     
    I've thought about Putin's War and have a reasonable take/categorization on it. Which I've shared. And which, of course, can be wrong. (If your thoughts run to "1939", I'd suggest your thinking "needs work".)

    My point--as you are demonstrating--is that the male brain just loves obsessing over this stuff--much as the female brain loves obsessing over their feelings about their relative romantic/sexual status, their "hotness" and how the world should work to improve it.

    Hence the suggestion, that Steve spin up a thread routinely so all the guys here can work out their deeply held thoughts and feelings (and projections) on the war. And the other threads don't degenerate into more (mostly nonsense) about Putin's War.
  22. The wonderful PJ Harvey made an entire album some years ago about DC gentrification.

    This was the single:

    This song is so mean-spirited I wonder if Polly Jean’s anon twitter account is @sailerfan777

  23. I had read this yesterday and the comment by Mr. Bey – ‘why do we have to move out for everything to succeed and be beautiful’ – is actually a great question but not one that Bey or the reporter cares to take to its logical conclusion. In fact, it’s one of the great national questions for America.

    While there are parts of Anacostia that could be gentrified, probably a lot of it will not be – it’s stuffed with public and affordable housing, much of the housing stock is the least attractive in the city, and it’s also the location of the intersection of Malcom X and MLK streets – not sure how many cities have both streets much less an intersection but if that conjunction isn’t a ward against gentrification I don’t know what is. Also if this park is built, I am guessing it will rapidly become a place the residents west of the rive avoid after dark.

    • Agree: Pop Warner
  24. “Why do we have to move out for everything to succeed and be beautiful?”

    Sometimes these jokes just write themselves.

    • Agree: Kylie, YesYesCircle
  25. How many people in Ward 8 own the homes they live in?

    Just guessing, but the slums are usually owned by uptown absentee investors who bought them dirt cheap in the last century. The ‘community’ is just a collection of renters who have benefitted from social welfare.

    They don’t think about the Anglo, Irish, Dutch and German inhabitants who originally lived there before the black invasion arrived, and who now want their historic neighborhood back.

  26. @Tim
    I have always lived in the DC area--Go Redskins--but I have no sympathy for all the blacks being pushed out of DC into PG County. They had years to buy their places or whatever. There have been so many efforts to get them to get off free rent, and buy, but they never took any of those options.

    I only weep for PG County, which used to be a Southern tobacco-planting county with hillbillies and rednecks running the roost. Now it's a ghetto run gun-fight county, with sassy blacks sashaying around the court house in Upper Marlboro. PG is the most dysfuncional county in the country. Let them all award each other multi-million dollar awards for 'racism'. Who cares, you'll never get the money, and if you do the Koreans will have it before the sun sets.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @ForeverCARealist, @E. Rekshun, @E. Rekshun, @West reanimator

    Your comment is a nice contrast to the one above by notsaying.

    You two should do a comment debate from your own persepectives and see if we can’t get this broadcast to a wider public, because I can sympathize with both of you.

  27. @Anonymous
    OT:

    Steve, in case you’re standing on a street corner in Winslow, Arizona waiting to learn how the Kherson Offensive is going— the same offensive you wrote about breathlessly a few weeks back— well, we found out today from Zelensky’s top advisor, Mykhailo Podolyak, that it was all just “information warfare” (psyops). I.e., it was all a lie. 🤦‍♂️

    But on the optimistic side, at least the Kherson Offensive isn’t going as badly for Ukraine as the other battles.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Jack D, @HA, @Pop Warner

    It’s a good thing that the Russians never lie:

    Moscow’s military insists that its installation did not come under fire. The statement added that the incident had not led to any casualties among personnel or any damage to military aircraft stationed at the base.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/560543-crimea-air-base-blasts/

    Satellite tells a different story:

    Russia really needs to catch up with modern technology – bald faced lying is much harder when there are cameras everywhere. The dindus in America have the same problem now that there are security cameras up and down every block.

    Even the pro-war commentators in Russia are starting to get sick of government lies. They say it would be less humiliating to admit a Ukrainian hit than to keep pretending that Russians troops are so incompetent that they constantly set their own ammo dumps on fire.

    • Replies: @George
    @Jack D

    "Moscow’s military insists that its installation did not come under fire." Most likely sabotage or a commando raid.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Jim Christian
    @Jack D

    Which pro war commentators would those be?

    , @Jim Christian
    @Jack D

    If that's really Russian, real-time, that's multiple hits into berms, caused by someone with access to excellent ISR. Only thing that invites skepticism is, where is all the crowing from the ukies?

    Replies: @Jack D

  28. “paying off community organizers has almost doubled the price tag. They are a big reason why we can’t have nice things.”

    It would be better for Americans that don’t live in DC if DC had fewer nice things and more low income housing. How about building a housing project on the bridge site?

  29. @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    It's a good thing that the Russians never lie:


    Moscow’s military insists that its installation did not come under fire. The statement added that the incident had not led to any casualties among personnel or any damage to military aircraft stationed at the base.
     
    https://www.rt.com/russia/560543-crimea-air-base-blasts/

    Satellite tells a different story:

    https://www.reuters.com/resizer/BiU7cgGShu4QzajKkYkIx04PalI=/1200x0/filters:quality(80)/cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/KXATXXRTRZMQNKN3CZ4CECHDGI.jpg

    Russia really needs to catch up with modern technology - bald faced lying is much harder when there are cameras everywhere. The dindus in America have the same problem now that there are security cameras up and down every block.

    Even the pro-war commentators in Russia are starting to get sick of government lies. They say it would be less humiliating to admit a Ukrainian hit than to keep pretending that Russians troops are so incompetent that they constantly set their own ammo dumps on fire.

    Replies: @George, @Jim Christian, @Jim Christian

    “Moscow’s military insists that its installation did not come under fire.” Most likely sabotage or a commando raid.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @George

    So technically they are not lying?

    What about the part where they say no aircraft were damaged?

    After the explosion, those bits and pieces were not aircraft anymore, so they weren't lying about that either.

  30. … People in Ward 8 wanted this project, as small as it was, to be different. They wanted it to enrich the Black community that was already there, not accelerate an influx of white people. They wanted the value created by the bridge park to be invested in their neighborhoods. They wanted to own their own homes. They wanted well-paid jobs. They wanted art and music — and artists and musicians as neighbors. They wanted fresh food and safe streets.

    The people in Ward 8 want a rainbow and pot of gold handed to them. With no white-supremacy poison like their own effort involved.

  31. In the sense that Mr. Kratz has been paid for the last 8 years to struggle with how to square the circle of building something nice without it benefiting white people.

    I mean, the actual answer to this question is simple, obvious, and illegal: segregation

  32. @Tim
    I have always lived in the DC area--Go Redskins--but I have no sympathy for all the blacks being pushed out of DC into PG County. They had years to buy their places or whatever. There have been so many efforts to get them to get off free rent, and buy, but they never took any of those options.

    I only weep for PG County, which used to be a Southern tobacco-planting county with hillbillies and rednecks running the roost. Now it's a ghetto run gun-fight county, with sassy blacks sashaying around the court house in Upper Marlboro. PG is the most dysfuncional county in the country. Let them all award each other multi-million dollar awards for 'racism'. Who cares, you'll never get the money, and if you do the Koreans will have it before the sun sets.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @ForeverCARealist, @E. Rekshun, @E. Rekshun, @West reanimator

    Redskins! Tee hee!

  33. @Tim
    I have always lived in the DC area--Go Redskins--but I have no sympathy for all the blacks being pushed out of DC into PG County. They had years to buy their places or whatever. There have been so many efforts to get them to get off free rent, and buy, but they never took any of those options.

    I only weep for PG County, which used to be a Southern tobacco-planting county with hillbillies and rednecks running the roost. Now it's a ghetto run gun-fight county, with sassy blacks sashaying around the court house in Upper Marlboro. PG is the most dysfuncional county in the country. Let them all award each other multi-million dollar awards for 'racism'. Who cares, you'll never get the money, and if you do the Koreans will have it before the sun sets.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @ForeverCARealist, @E. Rekshun, @E. Rekshun, @West reanimator

    Let them all award each other multi-million dollar awards for ‘racism’.

    USA Today, 08/10/22 – 8 corrections officers who were barred from guarding Derek Chauvin get \$1.5M settlement

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/08/10/minnesota-officers-barred-guarding-derek-chauvin-settlement/10285001002/#:~:text=Eight%20Minnesota%20corrections%20officers%2C%20all,nearly%20%241.5%20million%20settlement%20Tuesday.

    Eight Minnesota corrections officers, all people of color who said they were barred from interacting with Derek Chauvin while he was awaiting trial in the death of George Floyd, were awarded a nearly \$1.5 million settlement Tuesday.

    Chauvin was arrested for Floyd’s murder on May 29, 2020, and brought to the Ramsey County Adult Detention Center. The officers – who identify as African American, Hispanic, Pacific Islander American and multiracial – alleged former jail superintendent Steve Lydon prohibited all officers of color from guarding Chauvin or entering the floor where he was being held just before he arrived. The order was rescinded about an hour later, according to a resolution to a lawsuit the officers filed.

    Lydon reportedly told his superiors that he made the decision “to protect and support” minority employees by keeping them away from the former Minneapolis police officer, the Star Tribune reported.

    “Out of care and concern, and without the comfort of time, I made a decision to limit exposure to employees of color to a murder suspect who could potentially aggravate those feelings,” Lydon said in a statement given during an internal investigation that the sheriff’s office provided the Star Tribune shortly after the incident.

    Lydon was later demoted but still works for the Ramsey County Sheriff’s Office, which runs the jail.

    Board Chairwoman Trista MatasCastillo apologized in a statement “for the trauma you experienced and the ongoing harm this racist incident caused.”

    “The actions taken by Sheriff’s Office leadership that day were more than just wrong – they were racist, heinous, highly disrespectful and completely out of line with Ramsey County’s vision and values,” she said. “No one ever should have questioned your ability to perform your job based on the color of your skin.”

  34. “……They wanted it to enrich the Black community that was already there, not accelerate an influx of white people. They wanted the value created by the bridge park to be invested in their neighborhoods. They wanted to own their own homes. They wanted well-paid jobs. They wanted art and music — and artists and musicians as neighbors. They wanted fresh food and safe streets.”

    They wanted……Wakanda. I just had my laugh of the year. And my cry of the year. Because we take these wishes seriously.

  35. @Redneck farmer
    The people in Ward 8 want things that can only happen.... once they're gone.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @HammerJack, @nokangaroos

    “Why do we have to move out for everything to succeed and be beautiful?”

    I think I wet myself just a little 😀

    • LOL: West reanimator
  36. @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    It's a good thing that the Russians never lie:


    Moscow’s military insists that its installation did not come under fire. The statement added that the incident had not led to any casualties among personnel or any damage to military aircraft stationed at the base.
     
    https://www.rt.com/russia/560543-crimea-air-base-blasts/

    Satellite tells a different story:

    https://www.reuters.com/resizer/BiU7cgGShu4QzajKkYkIx04PalI=/1200x0/filters:quality(80)/cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/KXATXXRTRZMQNKN3CZ4CECHDGI.jpg

    Russia really needs to catch up with modern technology - bald faced lying is much harder when there are cameras everywhere. The dindus in America have the same problem now that there are security cameras up and down every block.

    Even the pro-war commentators in Russia are starting to get sick of government lies. They say it would be less humiliating to admit a Ukrainian hit than to keep pretending that Russians troops are so incompetent that they constantly set their own ammo dumps on fire.

    Replies: @George, @Jim Christian, @Jim Christian

    Which pro war commentators would those be?

  37. @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    It's a good thing that the Russians never lie:


    Moscow’s military insists that its installation did not come under fire. The statement added that the incident had not led to any casualties among personnel or any damage to military aircraft stationed at the base.
     
    https://www.rt.com/russia/560543-crimea-air-base-blasts/

    Satellite tells a different story:

    https://www.reuters.com/resizer/BiU7cgGShu4QzajKkYkIx04PalI=/1200x0/filters:quality(80)/cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/KXATXXRTRZMQNKN3CZ4CECHDGI.jpg

    Russia really needs to catch up with modern technology - bald faced lying is much harder when there are cameras everywhere. The dindus in America have the same problem now that there are security cameras up and down every block.

    Even the pro-war commentators in Russia are starting to get sick of government lies. They say it would be less humiliating to admit a Ukrainian hit than to keep pretending that Russians troops are so incompetent that they constantly set their own ammo dumps on fire.

    Replies: @George, @Jim Christian, @Jim Christian

    If that’s really Russian, real-time, that’s multiple hits into berms, caused by someone with access to excellent ISR. Only thing that invites skepticism is, where is all the crowing from the ukies?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jim Christian


    If that’s really Russian, real-time
     
    These are satellite photos that are all over the internet. They were release by independent satellite firm Planet Labs. Maybe the CIA has penetrated Planet Labs satellite downfeed and is feeding them fake images but I highly doubt it.

    that’s multiple hits into berms, caused by someone with access to excellent ISR.
     
    It appear that there were 3 hits into 3 ammo dumps and the rest is secondary blast damage. Very large blasts - broken windows for miles, buildings closer in badly damaged. Those berms are not a panacea when you have who knows how many tons of explosive going off nearby. These ammo dumps are like a godsend to the Ukrainians - no matter what kind of delivery system they have, they could not have thrown trainloads of explosive at a base.

    Only thing that invites skepticism is, where is all the crowing from the ukies?

     

    Just as with the Israelis and their nuclear weapons, the Ukrainians have decided that it is to their advantage to maintain "strategic ambiguity". Crowing is not always the best strategy. Everyone knows that the Israelis have nukes and everyone knows that a bunch of Russian airplanes didn't just blow themselves up, so what is to be gained by crowing about it?

    OTOH, it is to their advantage to keep the Russians guessing. Was this a missile attack and if so, from what weapon? Are the Americans giving the Ukrainians long range rockets or do they have their own? Or was this a sabotage attack mounted from the ground, and if so, how was a Ukrainian sabotage team able to penetrate a Russian base deep in Crimea (and then leave without a trace)? Are there local collaborators and who are they? Better that the Russians spend their energy trying to figure this out than announcing exactly what went down.

    The humor in this situation is that since the Russians keep insisting that these explosions are all smoking accidents they are in no position to protest when the Ukrainians publicly agree with them.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Anonymous

  38. @Anonymous
    OT:

    Steve, in case you’re standing on a street corner in Winslow, Arizona waiting to learn how the Kherson Offensive is going— the same offensive you wrote about breathlessly a few weeks back— well, we found out today from Zelensky’s top advisor, Mykhailo Podolyak, that it was all just “information warfare” (psyops). I.e., it was all a lie. 🤦‍♂️

    But on the optimistic side, at least the Kherson Offensive isn’t going as badly for Ukraine as the other battles.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Jack D, @HA, @Pop Warner

    “Mykhailo Podolyak, that it was all just “information warfare” (psyops).”

    Weird that there’s no link or any backing to that statement. The only recent news of note I could find regarding Podolyak were stories like this, regarding the explosions in Crimea:

    Officially, we are not confirming or denying anything; there are numerous scenarios for what might have happened… bearing in mind that there were several epicentres of explosions at exactly the same time,” Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak told Reuters in a message.

    It may well be the case that getting the Russians all hyped about moving resources to Kherson now (the Ukrainians are actually claiming the timeline for retaking it is by the end of the year) was indeed nothing but psyops designed to take the Russians by surprise regarding Crimea and to generally soften them up by messing with their heads — i.e., precisly what psyops is supposed to do.

    If that’s the case, it appears to have been 100% successful. Sure, the Russians will retaliate — except they’ll decide to kill civilians instead of military targets, maybe even toss in a dirty nuke or two, eventually — but that’s just how they roll.

    So did the Ukrainians blow up Crimea? “We neither confirm nor deny.” Did they just this last night decide to do a hit in Belarus? Could be. Anyone’s guess. Maybe it’s just more psyops.

    But if it is, it seems to be doing the trick.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @HA

    Generally speaking, nations at war do not announce their military plans in advance - element of surprise and all that. So it was always a little bit suspect that Ukraine was publicly announcing a Kherson offensive in advance. Apparently the Russians fell for it in that they have moved a lot of troops into Kherson.

    I suspect that there is a step 2 to this plan. It could be that Ukraine will go on the offensive elsewhere, in sectors that have been left less defended by the Russians shifting their forces toward Kherson. Or maybe they are planning to blow all the bridges once the Russian forces are concentrated on the west side of the river and trap them there. Time will tell.

    The point of what happened at the Crimean airbase (BTW, that's like a billion $ worth of airplanes gone in a flash) is that Russia is not fighting a bunch of Syrian or Afghan jihadis or Chechens. They are fighting people who are at least as clever and resourceful and capable as they are and who are fighting for their homes. They are facing an endless slog, especially with the Ukrainians being resupplied by NATO. So it is pretty clear that they are never going to "win" the war in the sense of achieving their original goals - I think even Putin understands that these are now out of reach.

    Maybe Russia thinks that it still has some unspent offensive capability and is going to make some more marginal gains and then demand a "ceasefire" that locks their gains in place. Once they go into the "we demand a ceasefire" mode, they are hoping that Western peaceniks (especially the Germans who just want their oil and gas supplies back) will switch sides and support Russia as the party that is asking for "the killing to stop". What could be more reasonable than wanting the killing to stop?

    The only fly in this ointment is that the current Ukrainian government is not going to stop fighting willingly. They will see any cease fire as merely a pause for Russia to regain strength until they are ready to swallow the rest of Ukraine. The only way this plan is going to work is if the Ukrainians lack the internal or external strength needed to continue to fight and outlast the Russian willingness and capability to keep pouring men and materiel into this hole. That part remains to be seen.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @HA

  39. @HA
    @Anonymous

    "Mykhailo Podolyak, that it was all just “information warfare” (psyops)."

    Weird that there's no link or any backing to that statement. The only recent news of note I could find regarding Podolyak were stories like this, regarding the explosions in Crimea:


    "Officially, we are not confirming or denying anything; there are numerous scenarios for what might have happened... bearing in mind that there were several epicentres of explosions at exactly the same time," Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak told Reuters in a message.
     
    It may well be the case that getting the Russians all hyped about moving resources to Kherson now (the Ukrainians are actually claiming the timeline for retaking it is by the end of the year) was indeed nothing but psyops designed to take the Russians by surprise regarding Crimea and to generally soften them up by messing with their heads -- i.e., precisly what psyops is supposed to do.

    If that's the case, it appears to have been 100% successful. Sure, the Russians will retaliate -- except they'll decide to kill civilians instead of military targets, maybe even toss in a dirty nuke or two, eventually -- but that's just how they roll.

    So did the Ukrainians blow up Crimea? "We neither confirm nor deny." Did they just this last night decide to do a hit in Belarus? Could be. Anyone's guess. Maybe it's just more psyops.

    But if it is, it seems to be doing the trick.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Generally speaking, nations at war do not announce their military plans in advance – element of surprise and all that. So it was always a little bit suspect that Ukraine was publicly announcing a Kherson offensive in advance. Apparently the Russians fell for it in that they have moved a lot of troops into Kherson.

    I suspect that there is a step 2 to this plan. It could be that Ukraine will go on the offensive elsewhere, in sectors that have been left less defended by the Russians shifting their forces toward Kherson. Or maybe they are planning to blow all the bridges once the Russian forces are concentrated on the west side of the river and trap them there. Time will tell.

    The point of what happened at the Crimean airbase (BTW, that’s like a billion \$ worth of airplanes gone in a flash) is that Russia is not fighting a bunch of Syrian or Afghan jihadis or Chechens. They are fighting people who are at least as clever and resourceful and capable as they are and who are fighting for their homes. They are facing an endless slog, especially with the Ukrainians being resupplied by NATO. So it is pretty clear that they are never going to “win” the war in the sense of achieving their original goals – I think even Putin understands that these are now out of reach.

    Maybe Russia thinks that it still has some unspent offensive capability and is going to make some more marginal gains and then demand a “ceasefire” that locks their gains in place. Once they go into the “we demand a ceasefire” mode, they are hoping that Western peaceniks (especially the Germans who just want their oil and gas supplies back) will switch sides and support Russia as the party that is asking for “the killing to stop”. What could be more reasonable than wanting the killing to stop?

    The only fly in this ointment is that the current Ukrainian government is not going to stop fighting willingly. They will see any cease fire as merely a pause for Russia to regain strength until they are ready to swallow the rest of Ukraine. The only way this plan is going to work is if the Ukrainians lack the internal or external strength needed to continue to fight and outlast the Russian willingness and capability to keep pouring men and materiel into this hole. That part remains to be seen.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Jack D

    https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1557114404700823555

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @HA
    @Jack D

    " So it was always a little bit suspect that Ukraine was publicly announcing a Kherson offensive in advance. "

    Yes, that seemed odd to me as well. I suspected the success the Ukrainians had with their guerilla activities in Kherson might have led them to make the same mistake that Putin had with regards to Kiev, and they were now overconfidently thinking Kherson would fall like a stack of cards. The psyop angle was also a possibility, but in that case, I would have thought the goal would have been to draw forces away from Donbass. I certainly didn't think of Crimea. Well played, lads. Apparently, the Russians weren't expecting that either.

    Once upon a time, before Putin swiped Crimea, the Russians had a lease to the area that gave them de facto ownership anyway, as in "possession is nine tenths...", but Putin had to go and mess with that. Now, it's more a case of "You guys got a nice little military base here -- it'd be a shame if something were to happen to it." But hey, it's a good thing those those tourists are fleeing just as gasoline prices are dropping. I know Putin was expecting perpetually high crude prices to save his economy, but we can't have everything, and surprisingly, a spike in prices tends to cause a sharp reduction in demand. Who could have seen that coming? It's like that hit on Crimea, I tell ya. Certainly no one in the land of the 5-year-plan would have guessed that might happen -- no, they don't let a little thing like supply-demand curves get in the way of their objectives.

    So do the Ukrainians really expect, however crazy that may be, to take Kherson by the end of the year, or is that just another psych? Who knows?

    Replies: @Jack D

  40. @Jack D
    @HA

    Generally speaking, nations at war do not announce their military plans in advance - element of surprise and all that. So it was always a little bit suspect that Ukraine was publicly announcing a Kherson offensive in advance. Apparently the Russians fell for it in that they have moved a lot of troops into Kherson.

    I suspect that there is a step 2 to this plan. It could be that Ukraine will go on the offensive elsewhere, in sectors that have been left less defended by the Russians shifting their forces toward Kherson. Or maybe they are planning to blow all the bridges once the Russian forces are concentrated on the west side of the river and trap them there. Time will tell.

    The point of what happened at the Crimean airbase (BTW, that's like a billion $ worth of airplanes gone in a flash) is that Russia is not fighting a bunch of Syrian or Afghan jihadis or Chechens. They are fighting people who are at least as clever and resourceful and capable as they are and who are fighting for their homes. They are facing an endless slog, especially with the Ukrainians being resupplied by NATO. So it is pretty clear that they are never going to "win" the war in the sense of achieving their original goals - I think even Putin understands that these are now out of reach.

    Maybe Russia thinks that it still has some unspent offensive capability and is going to make some more marginal gains and then demand a "ceasefire" that locks their gains in place. Once they go into the "we demand a ceasefire" mode, they are hoping that Western peaceniks (especially the Germans who just want their oil and gas supplies back) will switch sides and support Russia as the party that is asking for "the killing to stop". What could be more reasonable than wanting the killing to stop?

    The only fly in this ointment is that the current Ukrainian government is not going to stop fighting willingly. They will see any cease fire as merely a pause for Russia to regain strength until they are ready to swallow the rest of Ukraine. The only way this plan is going to work is if the Ukrainians lack the internal or external strength needed to continue to fight and outlast the Russian willingness and capability to keep pouring men and materiel into this hole. That part remains to be seen.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @HA

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Joe Stalin


    This was highly likely an Ukrainian attack with a short-range ballistic missile.
     
    The closest Ukrainian held territory is 200km away. Also 2 of the explosions appeared to be simultaneous. Even if missiles were launched together it is unlikely that would both arrive from 200 km away at the exact same instant. And the blast craters appear larger than any produced by anything in the Ukrainian arsenal.

    At this time I would say that the evidence points to some sort of sabotage operation. The Russians have grown to feel very "at home" in Crimea. Civilians take beach vacations there. The war seemed far away, so security at the base was possibly lax.

  41. @notsaying
    I see your point. But I have some others.

    The number of people who got the new housing and the job training would have been few; the many will end up being pushed out of their cheap black neighborhood. I would not want to be an American black who came from slavery and see one of my few economic advantages -- cheap old housing nobody else wanted -- be taken away from me. I feel for these people. I really do. Something they thought they could count on forever is going away.

    That is also happening to millions of other people across America as rent refugees from expensive places fan out across America looking for housing they can afford.

    They end up in smaller places with cheaper housing but fewer rentals and a lower wage scale. When enough rent refugees come, they cause supply and demand to change and they make rents unaffordable to the local people already there.

    This process has been happening in places not too far from our county. These places were already getting an sizable to huge influx of Hispanics. We are getting some black rent refugees but no surge of Hispanics -- yet. Things are not crazy here -- yet.

    I do not want them to get crazy. So those well to do whites and Asians who are pushing rent refugees my way? No, I do not support them. I want the established minority neighborhoods to stay as is.

    Do not get me started on Biden bringing in all the poor immigrants and all those extra rent refugees they will create. Of course there are a lot more lower income immigrants than gentrifiers so I am much more ticked off about them.

    For the many here who own their own homes and do not share my perspective, remember you are good but your kids and grandkids will be affected by this huge and worsening housing crisis that seems to have no end.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @Paul Jolliffe

    That is also happening to millions of other people across America as rent refugees from expensive places fan out across America looking for housing they can afford.there.

    They end up in smaller places with cheaper housing but fewer rentals and a lower wage scale. When enough rent refugees come, they cause supply and demand to change and they make rents unaffordable to the local people already there.

    ^^^This.

    I myself was recently priced out of my hometown, Mesa, AZ, by California bastards who, by moving here, got themselves the housing equivalent of an upgrade from coach to business class. Problem is, for every one of them who does that, a local gets thrown off the plane. Actually, in practice, more than one gets thrown off, because the bastards turn NIMBY the second they move here and, just like they did back in California, artificially restrict the supply of housing by using the zoning process to block the construction of high-density, low-rent housing–which is often the only type of housing that the displaced locals can afford.

    I was lucky to find another place to live in Phoenix, but who knows how long this will last.

    I don’t often agree with blacks but I hope they kill every SWPL soyjack gentrifier that tries to colonize their neighborhoods, especially of they’re from California.

    • Agree: notsaying
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.


    I myself was recently priced out of my hometown, Mesa, AZ...
     
    Mesa has surpassed Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland, New Orleans, Oakland, Minneapolis, and even Atlanta in population, even though it's a suburb a third as big as its urb. Somebody can afford to live there!

    Peoria, another Phoenix suburb, surpassed its famous Illinois namesake years ago.
  42. @Tim
    I have always lived in the DC area--Go Redskins--but I have no sympathy for all the blacks being pushed out of DC into PG County. They had years to buy their places or whatever. There have been so many efforts to get them to get off free rent, and buy, but they never took any of those options.

    I only weep for PG County, which used to be a Southern tobacco-planting county with hillbillies and rednecks running the roost. Now it's a ghetto run gun-fight county, with sassy blacks sashaying around the court house in Upper Marlboro. PG is the most dysfuncional county in the country. Let them all award each other multi-million dollar awards for 'racism'. Who cares, you'll never get the money, and if you do the Koreans will have it before the sun sets.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @ForeverCARealist, @E. Rekshun, @E. Rekshun, @West reanimator

    Meant to tag “thanks” and hit “troll” instead. Sorry!

  43. A concept I’ve tried (with little success) to popularise is that of blacks as Schroedinger’s race – i.e. blacks, uniquely among human populations, are permitted to exist in two opposite and mutually contradictory conditions at the same time, so long as the consequence of this logically impossible duality is getting money or resources from whites or anyone deemed “white adjacent”.

    A few examples:

    1. Problem: Blacks are entitled to live in areas in which they form a super-majority, so that they can dominate the culture and political system and vote for policies that are generally parasitic and extractive. However, they are simultaneously entitled to live in areas with white majorities, so that there is a base of wealth to extract.

    Solution: White gentrifiers must not have families or live in single family homes so that they vote for the Black Party (i.e. the Donkeys) and give black urban minorities then kind of government they want.

    2. Problem: As a corrollary of 1 above, when whites leave a black neighbourhood, this results in segregation, which is BAD. When whites move into black areas, this is called gentrification, which is also BAD.
    Solution: If “white flight” denies blacks the whites and Asians they need to fund their local tax base, the Federal Government must step in and compensate them from the general taxation pool. On the other hand, when whites move in and a place becomes more residentially desirable and blacks get priced out, blacks need to get compensatory housing subsidies to allow them to keep living in their neighbourhoods.

    3. Problem: Blacks are entitled to special preferences in hiring and education policy – i.e. affirmative action must exist. However, all blacks who are hired or admitted pursuant to affirmative action policies must, by definition, be merit hires who are just as able and perspicacious as their white counterparts – i.e. affirmative action must not exist.

    Solution: Democrats must advocate affirmative action and denounce as racist anyone who objects. Meanwhile, Republicans must be prohibited from noticing that affirmative action exists and tarred as bigots whenever they do. Classic example – 2008: “Vote Obama – America needs a black president”; 2009: “What do you mean Obama won the presidency because he’s black? Are you some kind of racist?”

    4. Problem: When blacks don’t get a WalMart or a Costco in their neighborhoods, they live in “food deserts” which is racist. On the other hand, when Koreans etc. open convenience stores in black neighbourhoods, it’s racist that they aren’t owned by blacks – which presumably means that it’s racist to have white owned WalMarts etc. in black neighbourhoods.

    Solution: Give blacks more money and start writing policy papers to be published five years hence when it will be necessary to explain why the fact that all the money was spent on weed, menthol cigarettes and watermelon flavoured Jolly Ranchers was really caused by racist white Juju that can only be extirpated withe even more cash.

    5. Problem: When blacks don’t get mortages, they are being denied the right to “build wealth”. When lending standards are lowered to let them into the housing market, the inevitable spate of defaults becomes proof of “predatory lending”.

    Solution: Hard to tell due to a paucity of history but the plan appears to be: First lower lending standards; then expand rent subsidies when it all goes wrong; then once enough time has elapsed for people to forget about the last bubble and crash, lower lending standards again; finally, rinse and repeat, over and over again.

    6. Problem: When whites do not engage with rap, hip hop etc., they are being racist (e.g. Al Sharpton’s bitter moaning about Michael Jackson not getting enough MTV airtime in the 1980s). However, when they do so engage, they are engaged in “cultural appropriation” – which is also bad.

    Solution: More jobs for black journalists and HR ladies who like to talk about their hair.

    • Thanks: Gabe Ruth
    • Replies: @Gabe Ruth
    @Irish Paleo

    Steve posted a while back about the celebration parallax. Sort of an optical explanation for these apparent contradictions.

  44. rather than on Centering the Marginalized

    So we have a group of people in America — many millions of them — who are given privileged access to government services and cash at every level, from Federal down to your local dog catcher. They are given privileged access to jobs across corporations and media. They are given privileged access to and a less demanding path in the education system, from Pre-K to PhD. They are given privileged access to housing and healthcare. They are treated with kid gloves when committing crimes, even heinous ones. Their nefarious activities are censored as much as possible by the media. Yet we refer to these people who have every conceivable advantage as “marginalized.” Pretty neat trick.

    PS – Steve, for the love of god, please don’t approve any comments about the Uki war in non-war threads. The level of stupidity and cope-think is too much to bear. Oh, and yeah everyone, remember Covid? We Covid “deniers” were right about EVERYTHING. When do the rest of you idiots apologize?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @peterike


    We Covid “deniers” were right about EVERYTHING.
     
    That's hilarious. Were even the deniers who refused to get vaccinated and then died of Covid right?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_of_anti-vaccine_advocates_from_COVID-19#Notable_instances

    Replies: @PeterIke

  45. @AndrewR
    @AnotherDad

    I imagine there were people like you in 1939 who found it boring to talk about the invasion of Poland. And I imagine those people irritated thinking people as much as you do.

    Replies: @peterike, @AnotherDad

    I imagine there were people like you in 1939 who found it boring to talk about the invasion of Poland. And I imagine those people irritated thinking people as much as you do.

    Well, the parallel is apt. In 1939, Germany entered into a border skirmish with Poland, after a lot of deceitful negotiating on the Polish side. The rest of Europe should have responded by doing exactly nothing, and letting the two sides deal with it. We might have avoided WWII as a result. But the globalist crowd wanted a war with Germany and they got it.

    Today, Russia entered into a border skirmish with Ukraine, after a lot of deceitful negotiating on the Ukrainian side. The rest of Europe should have responded by doing exactly nothing, and letting the two sides deal with it. But the globalist crowd wanted a war with Russia and they got it. Let’s hope they don’t also get WWIII.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @peterike

    "In 1939, Germany entered into a border skirmish with Poland"

    The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact the week before the German invasion divided up Poland between the Soviet Union and Germany along the Vistula River. Heckuva border skirmish.

    Replies: @PeterIke

  46. Thank you, Steve. This gives a nice quantification of the diversity tax in Boston. At least an hour hour aspect of it. I’d really like to see a quantification of all the diversity taxes, direct and indirecr that we pay.

    Does anyone here remember the discussion about Cost Disease a while back at Slate Dtar Codex? Education, healthcare, and housing have become really expensive compared to, say, The eighties or nineties. If you want to buy into the stockmarket, you’re paying more for real returns that have not kept pace with stock prices. You can sell stock, but if you’re just buying new stock,it seeems overpriced. If you don’t buy incestments, just fritter it away, selling dilutes you (fraction of the company you own) despite the stock price rising.

    If you made abunch of money and want to invest it, then high stock pricesmean the “price” of idle wealth keeps going up.

    Anyway, cost disease is worse in fields hit hard by diversity whethee by mandates or diversity-driven changes in position if the demand curve. Could it be related to cost disease? Less efficiency means higher prices without increasing profits or better goods/services..

    I think rent going up is mostly driven by immigration and remote work. Anti-growth policies, stongly endorsed by the remtier class keep a lid on supply, so prices go up a lot. Remember in 2007 when rising home prices would drive US economic growth forever? Then came 2008.

    What did the pandemic do to legal immigration numbers in 2020-21? Is there it the fantastic labor market (for labor) afterglow from immigration restriction? Or is the economy just dropping to a lower steady-state in a bumpy way?

  47. @Jim Christian
    @Jack D

    If that's really Russian, real-time, that's multiple hits into berms, caused by someone with access to excellent ISR. Only thing that invites skepticism is, where is all the crowing from the ukies?

    Replies: @Jack D

    If that’s really Russian, real-time

    These are satellite photos that are all over the internet. They were release by independent satellite firm Planet Labs. Maybe the CIA has penetrated Planet Labs satellite downfeed and is feeding them fake images but I highly doubt it.

    that’s multiple hits into berms, caused by someone with access to excellent ISR.

    It appear that there were 3 hits into 3 ammo dumps and the rest is secondary blast damage. Very large blasts – broken windows for miles, buildings closer in badly damaged. Those berms are not a panacea when you have who knows how many tons of explosive going off nearby. These ammo dumps are like a godsend to the Ukrainians – no matter what kind of delivery system they have, they could not have thrown trainloads of explosive at a base.

    Only thing that invites skepticism is, where is all the crowing from the ukies?

    Just as with the Israelis and their nuclear weapons, the Ukrainians have decided that it is to their advantage to maintain “strategic ambiguity”. Crowing is not always the best strategy. Everyone knows that the Israelis have nukes and everyone knows that a bunch of Russian airplanes didn’t just blow themselves up, so what is to be gained by crowing about it?

    OTOH, it is to their advantage to keep the Russians guessing. Was this a missile attack and if so, from what weapon? Are the Americans giving the Ukrainians long range rockets or do they have their own? Or was this a sabotage attack mounted from the ground, and if so, how was a Ukrainian sabotage team able to penetrate a Russian base deep in Crimea (and then leave without a trace)? Are there local collaborators and who are they? Better that the Russians spend their energy trying to figure this out than announcing exactly what went down.

    The humor in this situation is that since the Russians keep insisting that these explosions are all smoking accidents they are in no position to protest when the Ukrainians publicly agree with them.

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @Jack D

    “ Ukrainians have decided that it is to their advantage to maintain “strategic ambiguity””

    They do crow when they blow up invading tanks or shoot down a Russian fighter. But they also were silent when they blew up a Russian fuel dump in Belgograd in Russia proper in a daring low altitude helicopter raid. Ukraine also didn’t take credit for the mysterious fires and explosions in Russian military-industrial sites.

    The pattern is they don’t want to be seen as expanding the geographic scope of the war. They are getting weapons from many sources and have an interest in appeasing their most skittish supporters.

    They get away with it because Russia also denies these are Ukrainian attacks.

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    If the Israelis ever admit to having nukes they'll be forced by their "allies" to give them up.

    Replies: @Fungus Among Us

  48. @George
    @Jack D

    "Moscow’s military insists that its installation did not come under fire." Most likely sabotage or a commando raid.

    Replies: @Jack D

    So technically they are not lying?

    What about the part where they say no aircraft were damaged?

    After the explosion, those bits and pieces were not aircraft anymore, so they weren’t lying about that either.

  49. @peterike
    @AndrewR


    I imagine there were people like you in 1939 who found it boring to talk about the invasion of Poland. And I imagine those people irritated thinking people as much as you do.
     
    Well, the parallel is apt. In 1939, Germany entered into a border skirmish with Poland, after a lot of deceitful negotiating on the Polish side. The rest of Europe should have responded by doing exactly nothing, and letting the two sides deal with it. We might have avoided WWII as a result. But the globalist crowd wanted a war with Germany and they got it.

    Today, Russia entered into a border skirmish with Ukraine, after a lot of deceitful negotiating on the Ukrainian side. The rest of Europe should have responded by doing exactly nothing, and letting the two sides deal with it. But the globalist crowd wanted a war with Russia and they got it. Let's hope they don't also get WWIII.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “In 1939, Germany entered into a border skirmish with Poland”

    The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact the week before the German invasion divided up Poland between the Soviet Union and Germany along the Vistula River. Heckuva border skirmish.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @PeterIke
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, get over your normie take on WWII.

    I’m actually curious: have you read Ron Unz’ posts on this subject? Have you read all his American Pravda posts or not?

  50. @Anonymous
    OT:

    Steve, in case you’re standing on a street corner in Winslow, Arizona waiting to learn how the Kherson Offensive is going— the same offensive you wrote about breathlessly a few weeks back— well, we found out today from Zelensky’s top advisor, Mykhailo Podolyak, that it was all just “information warfare” (psyops). I.e., it was all a lie. 🤦‍♂️

    But on the optimistic side, at least the Kherson Offensive isn’t going as badly for Ukraine as the other battles.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Jack D, @HA, @Pop Warner

    I think we’re on 3 or 4 Kherson offensives now. And the NATO lackeys always seem to have amnesia about the previous one when praising the upcoming offensive.

    But don’t worry, I have it on good authority that Kherson will be in Ukrainian hands in two weeks, just you wait

  51. So, here in WNY, actually Buffalo, NYS Gov kathy hochul announced a ONE BILLION DOLLAR plan to cover over the expressway that leads through Buffalo’s East Side to downtown. In another time the roadway was the Humboldt Parkway, a tree lined street with a wide median designed by Frederick Law Olmstead. The expressway, which splits the East Side, is now blamed for all and every disfunction in the East Side which is predominately black. Soon the community will want a seat at the planning table to determine who gets what contracts and how many ES residents get plum construction jobs. Years ago when NYS was planning the new University at Buffalo campus I was co director of an affirmative action program. I represented the Union Building Trades. I remember the demands made for jobs and give backs and pie in the sky proposals from the “Community” who had no idea of how a construction project moves forward. Activists, reverends and gadflys on one side of the table, building trades and contractors on the other side. Fifty years later the blacks in Buffalo still have not availed themselves of the apprenticeship programs to become union trademen. And next up, the new Bills stadium and our know nothing county executive is on record as saying it will create “10,000 construction jobs.”

  52. Ward 8 is like a real life version of the children’s book where the troll lives under the bridge and makes everyone pay to cross.

  53. Oh, and Buffalo now has a downtown “medical corridor” home to three major hospitals and the UB school of medicine all located in the “fruit belt” section of the city, so named for the fruity street names. Now the vast majority black residents are shocked at gentrification where their formerly \$45,000 house is now worth\$200,000, if you can find the right white buyer.

  54. @AndrewR
    @AnotherDad

    I imagine there were people like you in 1939 who found it boring to talk about the invasion of Poland. And I imagine those people irritated thinking people as much as you do.

    Replies: @peterike, @AnotherDad

    I imagine there were people like you in 1939 who found it boring to talk about the invasion of Poland. And I imagine those people irritated thinking people as much as you do.

    I’ve thought about Putin’s War and have a reasonable take/categorization on it. Which I’ve shared. And which, of course, can be wrong. (If your thoughts run to “1939”, I’d suggest your thinking “needs work”.)

    My point–as you are demonstrating–is that the male brain just loves obsessing over this stuff–much as the female brain loves obsessing over their feelings about their relative romantic/sexual status, their “hotness” and how the world should work to improve it.

    Hence the suggestion, that Steve spin up a thread routinely so all the guys here can work out their deeply held thoughts and feelings (and projections) on the war. And the other threads don’t degenerate into more (mostly nonsense) about Putin’s War.

  55. “It’s a lot to ask of a bridge.” I think the author gets it, that line is sublime.

  56. @Jack D
    @HA

    Generally speaking, nations at war do not announce their military plans in advance - element of surprise and all that. So it was always a little bit suspect that Ukraine was publicly announcing a Kherson offensive in advance. Apparently the Russians fell for it in that they have moved a lot of troops into Kherson.

    I suspect that there is a step 2 to this plan. It could be that Ukraine will go on the offensive elsewhere, in sectors that have been left less defended by the Russians shifting their forces toward Kherson. Or maybe they are planning to blow all the bridges once the Russian forces are concentrated on the west side of the river and trap them there. Time will tell.

    The point of what happened at the Crimean airbase (BTW, that's like a billion $ worth of airplanes gone in a flash) is that Russia is not fighting a bunch of Syrian or Afghan jihadis or Chechens. They are fighting people who are at least as clever and resourceful and capable as they are and who are fighting for their homes. They are facing an endless slog, especially with the Ukrainians being resupplied by NATO. So it is pretty clear that they are never going to "win" the war in the sense of achieving their original goals - I think even Putin understands that these are now out of reach.

    Maybe Russia thinks that it still has some unspent offensive capability and is going to make some more marginal gains and then demand a "ceasefire" that locks their gains in place. Once they go into the "we demand a ceasefire" mode, they are hoping that Western peaceniks (especially the Germans who just want their oil and gas supplies back) will switch sides and support Russia as the party that is asking for "the killing to stop". What could be more reasonable than wanting the killing to stop?

    The only fly in this ointment is that the current Ukrainian government is not going to stop fighting willingly. They will see any cease fire as merely a pause for Russia to regain strength until they are ready to swallow the rest of Ukraine. The only way this plan is going to work is if the Ukrainians lack the internal or external strength needed to continue to fight and outlast the Russian willingness and capability to keep pouring men and materiel into this hole. That part remains to be seen.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @HA

    ” So it was always a little bit suspect that Ukraine was publicly announcing a Kherson offensive in advance. “

    Yes, that seemed odd to me as well. I suspected the success the Ukrainians had with their guerilla activities in Kherson might have led them to make the same mistake that Putin had with regards to Kiev, and they were now overconfidently thinking Kherson would fall like a stack of cards. The psyop angle was also a possibility, but in that case, I would have thought the goal would have been to draw forces away from Donbass. I certainly didn’t think of Crimea. Well played, lads. Apparently, the Russians weren’t expecting that either.

    Once upon a time, before Putin swiped Crimea, the Russians had a lease to the area that gave them de facto ownership anyway, as in “possession is nine tenths…”, but Putin had to go and mess with that. Now, it’s more a case of “You guys got a nice little military base here — it’d be a shame if something were to happen to it.” But hey, it’s a good thing those those tourists are fleeing just as gasoline prices are dropping. I know Putin was expecting perpetually high crude prices to save his economy, but we can’t have everything, and surprisingly, a spike in prices tends to cause a sharp reduction in demand. Who could have seen that coming? It’s like that hit on Crimea, I tell ya. Certainly no one in the land of the 5-year-plan would have guessed that might happen — no, they don’t let a little thing like supply-demand curves get in the way of their objectives.

    So do the Ukrainians really expect, however crazy that may be, to take Kherson by the end of the year, or is that just another psych? Who knows?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @HA


    Putin swiped Crimea, the Russians had a lease to the area that gave them de facto ownership anyway,
     
    IIRC, the lease was only for the naval base at Sebastopol and not for all other bases that Russia has there now such as this airfield, but I could be wrong.

    Replies: @HA

  57. Anon[182] • Disclaimer says:

    let’s start de-funding DC and distribution the few actually useful departments and employees around the nation.

    Just over 20 years ago, I had a job offer in hand w/ the DC government for nearly \$100K. My soon-to-be boss (the only other White face in the place) was showing my around the office. Our passing through startled a group of four or five well-dressed black female lawyers standing around doing much of nothing except talking about their clothes and hair. I got the impression that the work environment would not be very pleasant for me and I took a job in Florida (when it was still cheap).

    Over twenty years later, and my salary today is still less than that DC job offer back in 2001.

  58. @HA
    @Jack D

    " So it was always a little bit suspect that Ukraine was publicly announcing a Kherson offensive in advance. "

    Yes, that seemed odd to me as well. I suspected the success the Ukrainians had with their guerilla activities in Kherson might have led them to make the same mistake that Putin had with regards to Kiev, and they were now overconfidently thinking Kherson would fall like a stack of cards. The psyop angle was also a possibility, but in that case, I would have thought the goal would have been to draw forces away from Donbass. I certainly didn't think of Crimea. Well played, lads. Apparently, the Russians weren't expecting that either.

    Once upon a time, before Putin swiped Crimea, the Russians had a lease to the area that gave them de facto ownership anyway, as in "possession is nine tenths...", but Putin had to go and mess with that. Now, it's more a case of "You guys got a nice little military base here -- it'd be a shame if something were to happen to it." But hey, it's a good thing those those tourists are fleeing just as gasoline prices are dropping. I know Putin was expecting perpetually high crude prices to save his economy, but we can't have everything, and surprisingly, a spike in prices tends to cause a sharp reduction in demand. Who could have seen that coming? It's like that hit on Crimea, I tell ya. Certainly no one in the land of the 5-year-plan would have guessed that might happen -- no, they don't let a little thing like supply-demand curves get in the way of their objectives.

    So do the Ukrainians really expect, however crazy that may be, to take Kherson by the end of the year, or is that just another psych? Who knows?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Putin swiped Crimea, the Russians had a lease to the area that gave them de facto ownership anyway,

    IIRC, the lease was only for the naval base at Sebastopol and not for all other bases that Russia has there now such as this airfield, but I could be wrong.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Jack D

    "IIRC, the lease was only for the naval base at Sebastopol and not for all other bases that Russia has there now such as this airfield, but I could be wrong."

    In hindsight, it does make a lot of sense, from a tactical perspective, to first try and rub out a few of those airfields in Crimea if one is serious about retaking Kherson, so maybe the Russians should have anticipated a hit on Crimea after all.

    But I guess it was easier to laugh off any announcements regarding the imminent liberation of Kherson as just a blatant case of psy-ops and do nothing, and that's apparently what they did. Cue the "battle of wits" scene from The Princess Bride.

    https://youtu.be/rMz7JBRbmNo?t=28


    Live and learn (unless of course, one happens to be a Russian.)

  59. @Joe Stalin
    @Jack D

    https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1557114404700823555

    Replies: @Jack D

    This was highly likely an Ukrainian attack with a short-range ballistic missile.

    The closest Ukrainian held territory is 200km away. Also 2 of the explosions appeared to be simultaneous. Even if missiles were launched together it is unlikely that would both arrive from 200 km away at the exact same instant. And the blast craters appear larger than any produced by anything in the Ukrainian arsenal.

    At this time I would say that the evidence points to some sort of sabotage operation. The Russians have grown to feel very “at home” in Crimea. Civilians take beach vacations there. The war seemed far away, so security at the base was possibly lax.

  60. @Jack D
    @HA


    Putin swiped Crimea, the Russians had a lease to the area that gave them de facto ownership anyway,
     
    IIRC, the lease was only for the naval base at Sebastopol and not for all other bases that Russia has there now such as this airfield, but I could be wrong.

    Replies: @HA

    “IIRC, the lease was only for the naval base at Sebastopol and not for all other bases that Russia has there now such as this airfield, but I could be wrong.”

    In hindsight, it does make a lot of sense, from a tactical perspective, to first try and rub out a few of those airfields in Crimea if one is serious about retaking Kherson, so maybe the Russians should have anticipated a hit on Crimea after all.

    But I guess it was easier to laugh off any announcements regarding the imminent liberation of Kherson as just a blatant case of psy-ops and do nothing, and that’s apparently what they did. Cue the “battle of wits” scene from The Princess Bride.

    Live and learn (unless of course, one happens to be a Russian.)

  61. @Irish Paleo
    A concept I've tried (with little success) to popularise is that of blacks as Schroedinger's race - i.e. blacks, uniquely among human populations, are permitted to exist in two opposite and mutually contradictory conditions at the same time, so long as the consequence of this logically impossible duality is getting money or resources from whites or anyone deemed "white adjacent".

    A few examples:

    1. Problem: Blacks are entitled to live in areas in which they form a super-majority, so that they can dominate the culture and political system and vote for policies that are generally parasitic and extractive. However, they are simultaneously entitled to live in areas with white majorities, so that there is a base of wealth to extract.

    Solution: White gentrifiers must not have families or live in single family homes so that they vote for the Black Party (i.e. the Donkeys) and give black urban minorities then kind of government they want.

    2. Problem: As a corrollary of 1 above, when whites leave a black neighbourhood, this results in segregation, which is BAD. When whites move into black areas, this is called gentrification, which is also BAD.
    Solution: If "white flight" denies blacks the whites and Asians they need to fund their local tax base, the Federal Government must step in and compensate them from the general taxation pool. On the other hand, when whites move in and a place becomes more residentially desirable and blacks get priced out, blacks need to get compensatory housing subsidies to allow them to keep living in their neighbourhoods.

    3. Problem: Blacks are entitled to special preferences in hiring and education policy - i.e. affirmative action must exist. However, all blacks who are hired or admitted pursuant to affirmative action policies must, by definition, be merit hires who are just as able and perspicacious as their white counterparts - i.e. affirmative action must not exist.

    Solution: Democrats must advocate affirmative action and denounce as racist anyone who objects. Meanwhile, Republicans must be prohibited from noticing that affirmative action exists and tarred as bigots whenever they do. Classic example - 2008: "Vote Obama - America needs a black president"; 2009: "What do you mean Obama won the presidency because he's black? Are you some kind of racist?"

    4. Problem: When blacks don't get a WalMart or a Costco in their neighborhoods, they live in "food deserts" which is racist. On the other hand, when Koreans etc. open convenience stores in black neighbourhoods, it's racist that they aren't owned by blacks - which presumably means that it's racist to have white owned WalMarts etc. in black neighbourhoods.

    Solution: Give blacks more money and start writing policy papers to be published five years hence when it will be necessary to explain why the fact that all the money was spent on weed, menthol cigarettes and watermelon flavoured Jolly Ranchers was really caused by racist white Juju that can only be extirpated withe even more cash.

    5. Problem: When blacks don't get mortages, they are being denied the right to "build wealth". When lending standards are lowered to let them into the housing market, the inevitable spate of defaults becomes proof of "predatory lending".

    Solution: Hard to tell due to a paucity of history but the plan appears to be: First lower lending standards; then expand rent subsidies when it all goes wrong; then once enough time has elapsed for people to forget about the last bubble and crash, lower lending standards again; finally, rinse and repeat, over and over again.

    6. Problem: When whites do not engage with rap, hip hop etc., they are being racist (e.g. Al Sharpton's bitter moaning about Michael Jackson not getting enough MTV airtime in the 1980s). However, when they do so engage, they are engaged in "cultural appropriation" - which is also bad.

    Solution: More jobs for black journalists and HR ladies who like to talk about their hair.

    Replies: @Gabe Ruth

    Steve posted a while back about the celebration parallax. Sort of an optical explanation for these apparent contradictions.

  62. @Jack D
    @Jim Christian


    If that’s really Russian, real-time
     
    These are satellite photos that are all over the internet. They were release by independent satellite firm Planet Labs. Maybe the CIA has penetrated Planet Labs satellite downfeed and is feeding them fake images but I highly doubt it.

    that’s multiple hits into berms, caused by someone with access to excellent ISR.
     
    It appear that there were 3 hits into 3 ammo dumps and the rest is secondary blast damage. Very large blasts - broken windows for miles, buildings closer in badly damaged. Those berms are not a panacea when you have who knows how many tons of explosive going off nearby. These ammo dumps are like a godsend to the Ukrainians - no matter what kind of delivery system they have, they could not have thrown trainloads of explosive at a base.

    Only thing that invites skepticism is, where is all the crowing from the ukies?

     

    Just as with the Israelis and their nuclear weapons, the Ukrainians have decided that it is to their advantage to maintain "strategic ambiguity". Crowing is not always the best strategy. Everyone knows that the Israelis have nukes and everyone knows that a bunch of Russian airplanes didn't just blow themselves up, so what is to be gained by crowing about it?

    OTOH, it is to their advantage to keep the Russians guessing. Was this a missile attack and if so, from what weapon? Are the Americans giving the Ukrainians long range rockets or do they have their own? Or was this a sabotage attack mounted from the ground, and if so, how was a Ukrainian sabotage team able to penetrate a Russian base deep in Crimea (and then leave without a trace)? Are there local collaborators and who are they? Better that the Russians spend their energy trying to figure this out than announcing exactly what went down.

    The humor in this situation is that since the Russians keep insisting that these explosions are all smoking accidents they are in no position to protest when the Ukrainians publicly agree with them.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Anonymous

    “ Ukrainians have decided that it is to their advantage to maintain “strategic ambiguity””

    They do crow when they blow up invading tanks or shoot down a Russian fighter. But they also were silent when they blew up a Russian fuel dump in Belgograd in Russia proper in a daring low altitude helicopter raid. Ukraine also didn’t take credit for the mysterious fires and explosions in Russian military-industrial sites.

    The pattern is they don’t want to be seen as expanding the geographic scope of the war. They are getting weapons from many sources and have an interest in appeasing their most skittish supporters.

    They get away with it because Russia also denies these are Ukrainian attacks.

    • Agree: Jack D
  63. @peterike

    rather than on Centering the Marginalized
     
    So we have a group of people in America -- many millions of them -- who are given privileged access to government services and cash at every level, from Federal down to your local dog catcher. They are given privileged access to jobs across corporations and media. They are given privileged access to and a less demanding path in the education system, from Pre-K to PhD. They are given privileged access to housing and healthcare. They are treated with kid gloves when committing crimes, even heinous ones. Their nefarious activities are censored as much as possible by the media. Yet we refer to these people who have every conceivable advantage as "marginalized." Pretty neat trick.

    PS - Steve, for the love of god, please don't approve any comments about the Uki war in non-war threads. The level of stupidity and cope-think is too much to bear. Oh, and yeah everyone, remember Covid? We Covid "deniers" were right about EVERYTHING. When do the rest of you idiots apologize?

    Replies: @Jack D

    We Covid “deniers” were right about EVERYTHING.

    That’s hilarious. Were even the deniers who refused to get vaccinated and then died of Covid right?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_of_anti-vaccine_advocates_from_COVID-19#Notable_instances

    • Replies: @PeterIke
    @Jack D

    “ That’s hilarious. Were even the deniers who refused to get vaccinated and then died of Covid right?”

    Vastly more people have died, and will yet die, because of the shots then ever died because they didn’t get the vaccine. And you have no way of knowing if the people you speak of would have been saved by the vaccines. Though it’s extremely likely they could have been saved by the many, many effective treatment protocols that were denied them by assholes like you.

    Jack bubbeleh, the vaccine does not work. There is zero question about this. Only fat head retards still have faith in it.

  64. A black person asking “Why do we have to move out for everything to succeed and be beautiful?” is the race-realist question of the year, possibly of all time.

  65. @Jack D
    @peterike


    We Covid “deniers” were right about EVERYTHING.
     
    That's hilarious. Were even the deniers who refused to get vaccinated and then died of Covid right?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_of_anti-vaccine_advocates_from_COVID-19#Notable_instances

    Replies: @PeterIke

    “ That’s hilarious. Were even the deniers who refused to get vaccinated and then died of Covid right?”

    Vastly more people have died, and will yet die, because of the shots then ever died because they didn’t get the vaccine. And you have no way of knowing if the people you speak of would have been saved by the vaccines. Though it’s extremely likely they could have been saved by the many, many effective treatment protocols that were denied them by assholes like you.

    Jack bubbeleh, the vaccine does not work. There is zero question about this. Only fat head retards still have faith in it.

  66. @Steve Sailer
    @peterike

    "In 1939, Germany entered into a border skirmish with Poland"

    The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact the week before the German invasion divided up Poland between the Soviet Union and Germany along the Vistula River. Heckuva border skirmish.

    Replies: @PeterIke

    Steve, get over your normie take on WWII.

    I’m actually curious: have you read Ron Unz’ posts on this subject? Have you read all his American Pravda posts or not?

  67. @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous

    Steve, you should throw these guys a bone--a Putin's War thread--every week.

    Many of the boys here apparently find war--including this pointless war--as endlessly compelling as the girls find their hair.

    Replies: @anonymous, @AndrewR, @Nervous in Stalingrad

    Steve, you should throw these guys a bone–a Putin’s War thread–every week.

    You know what might be awfully interesting? If someone were to produce a weekly spreadsheet that listed and totted up all the porky pies told by the Russians and the Ukrainians.

    (Imagine the size of that speadsheet.)

    Some suggested categories might be: “gently pulling our leg,” “blatant porky pie,” and “absolute howler.”

    I understand Steve prides himself as a Big Data sort of chap. Successfully navigating such Deep Data waters would likely have people regarding him as a Gargantuan Data one.

  68. Payoffs to Community Organizers Almost Double the Price of a D.C. Bridge

    I’ll sell them the deed to a nice neo-Gothic one spanning the East River.

    They’d have to cover the moving costs, though. It won’t fit on the Acela.

  69. @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @notsaying

    That is also happening to millions of other people across America as rent refugees from expensive places fan out across America looking for housing they can afford.there.

    They end up in smaller places with cheaper housing but fewer rentals and a lower wage scale. When enough rent refugees come, they cause supply and demand to change and they make rents unaffordable to the local people already there.

    ^^^This.

    I myself was recently priced out of my hometown, Mesa, AZ, by California bastards who, by moving here, got themselves the housing equivalent of an upgrade from coach to business class. Problem is, for every one of them who does that, a local gets thrown off the plane. Actually, in practice, more than one gets thrown off, because the bastards turn NIMBY the second they move here and, just like they did back in California, artificially restrict the supply of housing by using the zoning process to block the construction of high-density, low-rent housing--which is often the only type of housing that the displaced locals can afford.

    I was lucky to find another place to live in Phoenix, but who knows how long this will last.

    I don't often agree with blacks but I hope they kill every SWPL soyjack gentrifier that tries to colonize their neighborhoods, especially of they're from California.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I myself was recently priced out of my hometown, Mesa, AZ…

    Mesa has surpassed Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland, New Orleans, Oakland, Minneapolis, and even Atlanta in population, even though it’s a suburb a third as big as its urb. Somebody can afford to live there!

    Peoria, another Phoenix suburb, surpassed its famous Illinois namesake years ago.

  70. some \$85 million of that will have already been spent on affordable housing, job training and community empowerment

    What exactly is community empowerment per se?

    Why do we have to move out for everything to succeed and be beautiful?

    This is like asking why certain schools are considered good and others are considered bad.

  71. @notsaying
    I see your point. But I have some others.

    The number of people who got the new housing and the job training would have been few; the many will end up being pushed out of their cheap black neighborhood. I would not want to be an American black who came from slavery and see one of my few economic advantages -- cheap old housing nobody else wanted -- be taken away from me. I feel for these people. I really do. Something they thought they could count on forever is going away.

    That is also happening to millions of other people across America as rent refugees from expensive places fan out across America looking for housing they can afford.

    They end up in smaller places with cheaper housing but fewer rentals and a lower wage scale. When enough rent refugees come, they cause supply and demand to change and they make rents unaffordable to the local people already there.

    This process has been happening in places not too far from our county. These places were already getting an sizable to huge influx of Hispanics. We are getting some black rent refugees but no surge of Hispanics -- yet. Things are not crazy here -- yet.

    I do not want them to get crazy. So those well to do whites and Asians who are pushing rent refugees my way? No, I do not support them. I want the established minority neighborhoods to stay as is.

    Do not get me started on Biden bringing in all the poor immigrants and all those extra rent refugees they will create. Of course there are a lot more lower income immigrants than gentrifiers so I am much more ticked off about them.

    For the many here who own their own homes and do not share my perspective, remember you are good but your kids and grandkids will be affected by this huge and worsening housing crisis that seems to have no end.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @Paul Jolliffe

    “I want the established minority neighborhoods to stay as is.”

    So does everyone here – except for the “minorities” who DON’T want to live in those minority neighborhoods.

    Nobody, especially middle class African Americans, wants to live in an all-black neighborhood. (I don’t blame them for leaving. If I were them, I’d move out as soon as possible.)

  72. @Jack D
    @Jim Christian


    If that’s really Russian, real-time
     
    These are satellite photos that are all over the internet. They were release by independent satellite firm Planet Labs. Maybe the CIA has penetrated Planet Labs satellite downfeed and is feeding them fake images but I highly doubt it.

    that’s multiple hits into berms, caused by someone with access to excellent ISR.
     
    It appear that there were 3 hits into 3 ammo dumps and the rest is secondary blast damage. Very large blasts - broken windows for miles, buildings closer in badly damaged. Those berms are not a panacea when you have who knows how many tons of explosive going off nearby. These ammo dumps are like a godsend to the Ukrainians - no matter what kind of delivery system they have, they could not have thrown trainloads of explosive at a base.

    Only thing that invites skepticism is, where is all the crowing from the ukies?

     

    Just as with the Israelis and their nuclear weapons, the Ukrainians have decided that it is to their advantage to maintain "strategic ambiguity". Crowing is not always the best strategy. Everyone knows that the Israelis have nukes and everyone knows that a bunch of Russian airplanes didn't just blow themselves up, so what is to be gained by crowing about it?

    OTOH, it is to their advantage to keep the Russians guessing. Was this a missile attack and if so, from what weapon? Are the Americans giving the Ukrainians long range rockets or do they have their own? Or was this a sabotage attack mounted from the ground, and if so, how was a Ukrainian sabotage team able to penetrate a Russian base deep in Crimea (and then leave without a trace)? Are there local collaborators and who are they? Better that the Russians spend their energy trying to figure this out than announcing exactly what went down.

    The humor in this situation is that since the Russians keep insisting that these explosions are all smoking accidents they are in no position to protest when the Ukrainians publicly agree with them.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Anonymous

    If the Israelis ever admit to having nukes they’ll be forced by their “allies” to give them up.

    • Replies: @Fungus Among Us
    @Anonymous


    If the Israelis ever admit to having nukes they’ll be forced by their “allies” to give them up.
     
    Lol, OK, Times of Israel. I think you've confused the dog with the tail.
  73. @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    If the Israelis ever admit to having nukes they'll be forced by their "allies" to give them up.

    Replies: @Fungus Among Us

    If the Israelis ever admit to having nukes they’ll be forced by their “allies” to give them up.

    Lol, OK, Times of Israel. I think you’ve confused the dog with the tail.

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