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From the website for the Center for Measurement Justice:

CENTER FOR MEASUREMENT JUSTICE
We seek to disrupt racist, white supremacist logics that have historically informed our assessment and measurement practices in education. We are a research center with a practical vision.

OUR MISSION
We aim to bring antiracist assessment and measurement practices to all learners across the nation. Our work is to inspire, prepare, and support a critical mass of measurement professionals and partners as they work towards a socially just assessment and measurement system.

In the conversation about education debt and opportunity gaps, a key assumption is that large-scale and small-scale assessments accurately and objectively capture what people know. To be sure, this is not true for all people, particularly in Black, Brown, and Indigenous (BBI) communities. The field of educational measurement is steeped in ways that center heteronormative white supremacy, from the assumption that assessment tasks can be culturally neutral (they cannot), to an oft-used technique in which new measures are deemed good if they correlate strongly with old measures, essentially proving their ability to uphold the current social order through a network of deficit-framed data. This system repeatedly and consistently fails to capture the true capacity of minoritized learners, especially BBI learners. While score differentials between racial groups are often explained away by deficit narratives about what BBI students know and are able to do, in fact, they partially reflect a failure of measurement.

Mission
CMJ seeks to inspire, prepare, and support a critical mass of measurement professionals and co-conspirators as they work towards a socially just assessment and measurement system. Through this work, we aim to become the epicenter for engagement on measurement justice, galvanizing communities, school systems, assessment creators, and researchers to advance socially just assessment and measurement approaches.

In our work, we push back against assessment practices that do not value diverse types of knowledge and knowledge creation- especially with respect to Black, Brown, and Indigenous communities. We recognize that the complex and rich identities of all individuals should be acknowledged, valued, and sustained by/through our assessment practices. Moreover, we acknowledge the white supremacist, racist roots of measurement and seek to disrupt this historical narrative through culturally sustaining assessment practices that are explicitly and unapologetically antiracist. And so, as advocates for justice, we lean into difficult assessment and measurement challenges by building awareness, seeking creative solutions, and generating transformative ideas in an effort to provide and/or create measurement justice for all.

Good luck … It’s not as if anybody in the last 58 years since Congress voted a million dollars for the Coleman Report in the 1964 Civil Rights Act to prove that the reason blacks score lower on tests is discrimination ever thought to come up with tests that are both valid and don’t have disparate impact. I guess social scientists have been leaving a billion dollar bill lying on the sidewalk ever since.

 
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  1. This may be the inverse of the Magic Dirt Fallacy. Blacks, on average, can do math as well as Asians but blacks just have a super secret way of doing the math and results in different but still correct answers. Everyone is correct in their own way.

    • Agree: pyrrhus
    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @guest007

    Imaginary numbers are used in maths. Let's imagine that black test scores are the same or higher than everyone else. QED.

    Replies: @bomag, @Almost Missouri, @pyrrhus

    , @bomag
    @guest007


    ...blacks just have a super secret way of doing the math and results in different but still correct answers.
     
    Correct answers are racist. Calculating the correct amount of reagent to dump in a blend is racist. Calculating the correct strength of beams is racist.

    The hole is deep.
    , @Guest87
    @guest007

    I would hate to live in a universe where math didn’t work that way.

  2. I have a suspicion that the main brain behind this is one Pamela Moss of the teacher training faculty of the University of Michigan.

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/0969594X.2015.1072085

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jedm.12003

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Art Deco

    Yup. Definitely Pamela Moss. Found another way to babble-gab Marxism with $3-words into passing failing kids.

    This insanity ends with our military defeat and impoverishment eventually if we don't stop it.

  3. Off topic but apropos of the post about the likelihood of mom’s boyfriend (in this case step father) and the deaths of small children. You might be able to guess why this won’t get national media attention. Imagine that’s your son, and your stupid ex picks this guy to become his new step daddy.

    https://www.wlox.com/2022/05/19/new-details-capital-murder-child-abuse-case/

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    That is hard to read.

    Apropos of this post in that they want different metrics for Blacks, and that includes measurements of criminality.

    , @interesting
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    The couple should just say they aborted the baby. Problem solved.

    It was after all just a collection of cells that wasn't viable outside the womb without constant parental care. So if viability is the argument then abortion up until about 6-7 is legal.

  4. @guest007
    This may be the inverse of the Magic Dirt Fallacy. Blacks, on average, can do math as well as Asians but blacks just have a super secret way of doing the math and results in different but still correct answers. Everyone is correct in their own way.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @bomag, @Guest87

    Imaginary numbers are used in maths. Let’s imagine that black test scores are the same or higher than everyone else. QED.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Henry's Cat

    This is really it.

    They don't want to go out and actually demonstrate technical ability. They just want the glory and gibs at the end.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Henry's Cat

    The square root of negative one will solve this.

    , @pyrrhus
    @Henry's Cat

    Sure, but there's an i in imaginary numbers, and blacks are selfless, so obviously racist....

  5. Way back when I first heard Angela Davis belting out multisyllable demands in standard English I was really impressed.

    Eventually it became obvious these Negro extortionists memorize just enough academic jargon to mau-mau academic flak-catchers. Off-script they revert to standard Ebonics.

    • Agree: bomag, fish, bruce county
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Pat Kittle

    Eventually it became obvious these Negro extortionists memorize just enough academic jargon to mau-mau academic flak-catchers. Off-script they revert to standard Ebonics.

    Ordinary blacks switch back and forth between standard English and dialect depending on who they're talking to and the precise venue, which is what you'd know if you were ever in a workplace with a critical mass of blacks. Dialect is used for informal intramural communication, which is why it has no literary form. Other languages have a distinction between the formal and the demotic. (Arabic and Modern Greek to name two).

    Replies: @Pat Kittle, @SunBakedSuburb, @Ghjjhgg

    , @fish
    @Pat Kittle

    Eventually it became obvious these Negro extortionists memorize just enough academic jargon to mau-mau academic flak-catchers. Off-script they revert to standard Ebonics.


    Apparently it's contagious....the Flak-Catchers have really picked up the ball and run with it turning all of this spouted nonsense into a subset sociological disciplines ("XXXX Studies").

    , @Old Prude
    @Pat Kittle

    "Eventually it became obvious these Negro extortionists memorize just enough academic jargon to mau-mau academic flak-catchers."

    Cornell West is a case study. As one wag put it "He uses big words for the same reason a fourteen year old girl uses tissue paper."

    , @Stephen Paul Foster
    @Pat Kittle

    I'm thinking that Obama may be an interesting case study in diglossia. Raised by white people and well-schooled, he mastered standard English. He's good with the teleprompter, but not so much on his own. When he drifted into community organizing he quickly acquired Chicago Ganglandeese. Perhaps that's how he and Michelle communicate when no one else is around.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  6. The field of educational measurement is steeped in ways that center heteronormative white supremacy, from the assumption that assessment tasks can be culturally neutral (they cannot), to an oft-used technique in which new measures are deemed good if they correlate strongly with old measures, essentially proving their ability to uphold the current social order through a network of deficit-framed data.

    Of course the irony is that what the tests have done most accurately is to prove the supremacy of Asians over white Europeans. And China is showing us how.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @michael droy

    Tests have also shown us the importance of deviations from the mean.

    Those a good ways above the mean are the ones who make the contributions that matter the most.

  7. Sailer’s Law overnight in Chicago, 10 shot, 2 dead.

    It happened at the McDonalds at Chicago and State, which has been a shit show for more than 30 years.

    I would make some joke about Biden showing up in a few days but that is too obvious.

    But nice to see Southern Hills for the PGA. Love me Perry Maxwell. Possible Lana connection there.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Hodag

    While I am not 100% an accelerationist, the mask-off nature of the regime at this point is radicalizing a huge number of right-leaning people. I just don't think there are quality people among our elite class to seize power from the demons who currently dominate the power structure. Lots of people are still willing to follow grifters and conmen of low moral character, like the past occupant of the white house.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  8. This is a lot of word salad to say “give us your shit, whitey”

    • Agree: Alden
  9. 1) I seriously expected this to be about how measuring obesity (and saying being fat has bad health outcomes) is racist.

    2) Is BBI the new POC, since Asians are too white to be included in disadvantaged minorities?

  10. The whole “Education” field is bullshit, so you would expect some of this anyway, but this summary is extra filled with long words in long sentences designed to lose people. That’s a black thing – because it works on them, these people figure readers will stop reading and figure the writers are smart people, because of all the big words and long sentences.

    It’s a good living, I guess …

    • Agree: Old Prude, bomag
    • Thanks: Alden
    • Replies: @Joe862
    @Achmed E. Newman

    They seem to like flashy, gaudy things in general. I think speech is no exception. It doesn't matter that it's horrible communication if it's colorful.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Legba
    @Achmed E. Newman

    If you say it in a rhyme, they will eat out of your hand. It's the top rhetorical thing you can do and short-circuits the Dindu brain

  11. @Hodag
    Sailer's Law overnight in Chicago, 10 shot, 2 dead.

    It happened at the McDonalds at Chicago and State, which has been a shit show for more than 30 years.

    I would make some joke about Biden showing up in a few days but that is too obvious.

    But nice to see Southern Hills for the PGA. Love me Perry Maxwell. Possible Lana connection there.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    While I am not 100% an accelerationist, the mask-off nature of the regime at this point is radicalizing a huge number of right-leaning people. I just don’t think there are quality people among our elite class to seize power from the demons who currently dominate the power structure. Lots of people are still willing to follow grifters and conmen of low moral character, like the past occupant of the white house.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @AndrewR

    The girlfriend dragged me to the theater to see 2000 Mules last night, and I was surprised to see a sold-out house in deep blue Boston.

    I have to say that the movie was, surprisingly enough, rather compelling. Smoking gun in the house.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  12. @guest007
    This may be the inverse of the Magic Dirt Fallacy. Blacks, on average, can do math as well as Asians but blacks just have a super secret way of doing the math and results in different but still correct answers. Everyone is correct in their own way.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @bomag, @Guest87

    …blacks just have a super secret way of doing the math and results in different but still correct answers.

    Correct answers are racist. Calculating the correct amount of reagent to dump in a blend is racist. Calculating the correct strength of beams is racist.

    The hole is deep.

  13. @Malcolm X-Lax
    Off topic but apropos of the post about the likelihood of mom's boyfriend (in this case step father) and the deaths of small children. You might be able to guess why this won't get national media attention. Imagine that's your son, and your stupid ex picks this guy to become his new step daddy.

    https://www.wlox.com/2022/05/19/new-details-capital-murder-child-abuse-case/

    Replies: @bomag, @interesting

    That is hard to read.

    Apropos of this post in that they want different metrics for Blacks, and that includes measurements of criminality.

  14. @Henry's Cat
    @guest007

    Imaginary numbers are used in maths. Let's imagine that black test scores are the same or higher than everyone else. QED.

    Replies: @bomag, @Almost Missouri, @pyrrhus

    This is really it.

    They don’t want to go out and actually demonstrate technical ability. They just want the glory and gibs at the end.

  15. Polysyllabic Word Salad
    In Zulu, there is no word for halfway up a tree. Either the monkey is up or the monkey is down.

    This monkey is down.

    • Replies: @jamie b.
    @James Speaks


    In Zulu, there is no word for halfway up a tree.
     
    Willing to bet that no language has such a word.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @James Speaks

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @James Speaks


    Either the monkey is up or the monkey is down.

    This monkey is down.
     
    That's catchier than "The Eagle has landed."



    https://media.newyorker.com/photos/59097f168b51cf59fc424366/master/w_1600%2Cc_limit/Afronaut-The-Ottawa-Journal.jpg

    Replies: @James Speaks

    , @Ghjjhgg
    @James Speaks

    A pox on the monkey!

  16. I do so love wokespeak. It reminds me of nerdly high school term papers, carefully crafted to show off how very clever the authors imagine they are, with ten dollar words aplenty where fifty cent ones would convey meaning more clearly. Yet the slavish repetition of the canons of that weird and wonderful belief system, with its obligatory meaningless generalizations, display quite the opposite of accurate observation, let alone of great intelligence. The woke phenomenon strikes me as the latest cynical scheme of the one percenters to neuter the powerfully revolutionary but naïve enthusiasm of youth into something that cannot threaten the hold on power they’ve stolen from the body politic at large.

    • LOL: jsm
    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Observator

    I went to graduation ceremony for the sociology dept at UC Berkeley back in the late 80's. The speaker was a fat black woman who went on and on using every fashionable cliche in the then book. Nobody was paying attention, in fact, many of the students were sneaking sips of booze. But even at the time, I was appalled at the emptiness and stupidity of the jargon. There was no point to the speech and no logical flow. Just phrase after phrase that I heard every sociology student recite in every conversation.

    what was weird was that my friend who was getting her diploma that day was truly brilliant. Crazy, yes, but brilliant. Hmm...

    Replies: @jamie b.

    , @Sollipsist
    @Observator

    If you were trying to illustrate the problem satirically, you ultimately failed by actually using correct words and making sense :D

  17. Give them six inches, and they’ll take a mile.

  18. Please tell me this is a competitor of the Babylonbee. This total nonsense cannot be true, cannot be take seriously.

    BUT

    Everything falsecan be derived from one falsepremise (f ⇒ f …

    https://sincerity.net/false-premise-false-conclusion/

    From one falsepremise (false dogma, false belief) everything false follows. In mathematics, from the falseassumption (a) that 1+1= 3 other false statemenst follow, like 13=27

    And from the false premise
    black QI equal to Chinese IQ
    follows the above nonsense.

    • Replies: @martin_2
    @SiNCERITY.net

    Everything, true or false, can be derived from a false statement. That is to say, if P is false, then P implies Q, and if P is false, then P implies not-Q.

    , @Deckin
    @SiNCERITY.net

    You need to distinguish between the truth conditions of a material conditional sentence (if A, then B) from the definition of the validity of arguments (from premises P1, P2,..., follows conclusion C).

    Though intimately related, they are different phenomena. It's true that for a material conditional, if the antecedent ('if' part) is false, the sentences is always true, no matter the consequent ('then' part). But it's not true that from a false premise, any conclusion follows. Validity is defined over possible worlds or situations; truth over the actual world.

    E.g., from the premise 'It's January now' it doesn't follow that 'Steve is a billionaire'. Simply because it's possible for it be January and Steve not to be a billionaire (wait a few months). What you need to get your idea across is what's known as the Duns Scotus or Explosion principle: From a necessarily or logically false sentence (or set of sentences) anything at all follows.

  19. Strong assertions with zero evidence to back them up. How is it anyone can get away with the use of emotional manipulation rather than facts in a university?

  20. LOL – a veneer of academic credibility to try to wash away inconvenient metrics. Although absurd and infuriating at the end of the day in the real world this sort of thing won’t matter too much. You can make all the arguments you want that test scores don’t measure true potential, but once released into the wild people have to find their own way in the jobs marketplace and actual ability (or lack thereof) quickly reveals itself to employers.

    I suppose this could be a triple bank shot where the people behind this a) insist scores are meaningless and minorities are actually super capable, b) they get into the workforce and the usual disparities reveal themselves, and c) accuse society being racist because we have not data like standardized tests that proves they were underachievers academically in the first place.

    Not sure the equity crowd realizes this, but by erasing opportunities for capable minorities to demonstrate this through impartial metrics, a lot of institutions/employers will just fall back on stereotypes and assume all things being equal, take the white or Asian applicant if you can.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Arclight


    once released into the wild people have to find their own way in the jobs marketplace and actual ability (or lack thereof) quickly reveals itself
     
    Oh, no worries, they're on top of this one too. Have been for decades, actually.

    institutions/employers will just fall back on stereotypes and assume all things being equal, take the white or Asian applicant if you can.
     
    Lol. You obviously haven't been on any hiring committees lately.

    Replies: @Arclight

    , @Jack D
    @Arclight

    Uh, I hate to break this to you, but outside of non-g loaded occupations like athletics and rapping, capable minorities (in relation to the capabilities of their white and Asian peers) are as rare as hen's teeth.

    The Peter Principle was that people tended to rise to the level of their incompetence. Due to the operation of Affirmative Action, NAMs nowadays rise BEYOND the level of their incompetence. The black woman who would have been an OK paralegal is now a lawyer. The black woman who would have been an OK nurse is now a doctor. Etc.

    The actual qualified black enrollment in top law schools should be maybe 1 or 2% but instead it's 10 or 15%. The rare truth teller like Amy Wax will tell you that almost all black law students are clustered at the bottom of their class. Blacks in the top half of their law school class at an Ivy League school are as rare as hen's teeth. When they find one, the make him the POTUS or put him on the Supreme Court - he's not going to be competing with comparable whites for a job at whatever level you are offering.

    Replies: @Arclight

    , @Alden
    @Arclight

    The blacks may be useless in a workplace. But they can’t be fired subject to humiliating retraining, counseled or get any evaluations that are less than almost perfect.

    So there they are very loudly chatting gossiping intriguing starting arguments a constant irritation. The women organize big messy potlucks that waste hours. The men harass women. They often come in late leave early and have constant family emergencies when their thug kids or sex mates get in trouble. And endless drama loud drama.

    Aggressive bullies constantly playing their domination games. Jobs don’t improve their behavior. Just gives them a place to display it.

  21. @Pat Kittle
    Way back when I first heard Angela Davis belting out multisyllable demands in standard English I was really impressed.

    Eventually it became obvious these Negro extortionists memorize just enough academic jargon to mau-mau academic flak-catchers. Off-script they revert to standard Ebonics.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @fish, @Old Prude, @Stephen Paul Foster

    Eventually it became obvious these Negro extortionists memorize just enough academic jargon to mau-mau academic flak-catchers. Off-script they revert to standard Ebonics.

    Ordinary blacks switch back and forth between standard English and dialect depending on who they’re talking to and the precise venue, which is what you’d know if you were ever in a workplace with a critical mass of blacks. Dialect is used for informal intramural communication, which is why it has no literary form. Other languages have a distinction between the formal and the demotic. (Arabic and Modern Greek to name two).

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
    @Art Deco

    [[[EDITOR -- PLEASE DELETE MY PREVIOUS COMMENT (showing as #19)]]]
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    …which is what you’d know if you were ever in a workplace with a critical mass of blacks.
     
    You presume too much.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Art Deco

    "Dialect is used for informal intramural communication, which is why it has no literary form."

    Except for the starchy stuff, idiom and colloquial language is used throughout most literary forms. The real degradation will occur as the planet becomes even more Africanized. Under this racial regime a regressed humanity will communicate through emphatic hand gestures, grunts and snorts, and strange clicking and buzzing sounds. By this time the few whites left will have become Schwabian humanoid worms, communicating telepathically and existing in large drawers filled with a gelatin generated by a breathing/consuming/excreting sequence. The underground installation housing the drawered white worms will come equipped with a nuclear self-destruct device in the event the Africans manage to breach the security system in their attempt to seize the drawers and eat what's left of whitey.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @HammerJack

    , @Ghjjhgg
    @Art Deco

    Whites use formal/businesslike/academic language in some situations, and less formal speech at home or among friends. All peoples do this, but only blacks call it “code switching”, and think it makes them special, clever, and nobly victimized.

    I reckon I have about five levels of speech, and maybe three accents, and I don’t think this is unusual. Think of when you say “going to”, “goin’ to”, “goin’ ta”, and “gonna”, “have to”, “hafta”, and “gotta”.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  22. anonymous[100] • Disclaimer says:

    An awfully large % of public sector resources is put into obscuring black dysfunction YKW and nice suburban White women would sooner destroy the country than admit reality.

  23. …which is what you’d know if you were ever in a workplace with a critical mass of blacks.

    You presume too much.

  24. @Art Deco
    @Pat Kittle

    Eventually it became obvious these Negro extortionists memorize just enough academic jargon to mau-mau academic flak-catchers. Off-script they revert to standard Ebonics.

    Ordinary blacks switch back and forth between standard English and dialect depending on who they're talking to and the precise venue, which is what you'd know if you were ever in a workplace with a critical mass of blacks. Dialect is used for informal intramural communication, which is why it has no literary form. Other languages have a distinction between the formal and the demotic. (Arabic and Modern Greek to name two).

    Replies: @Pat Kittle, @SunBakedSuburb, @Ghjjhgg

    [[[EDITOR — PLEASE DELETE MY PREVIOUS COMMENT (showing as #19)]]]
    —————————————————————————————-

    …which is what you’d know if you were ever in a workplace with a critical mass of blacks.

    You presume too much.

  25. I wish for a test that is both valid and that also proves that I am a better physicist than Kip Thorne and George Smoot. Please come up with one, post-haste.

    • Replies: @Macumazahn
    @Wilkey

    Here you go: "Is your name Edward Witten?"

    , @pyrrhus
    @Wilkey

    But quantum physics is racist because blacks can't spell any of those weird particles...

    Replies: @Pat Kittle, @James Speaks

  26. @Arclight
    LOL - a veneer of academic credibility to try to wash away inconvenient metrics. Although absurd and infuriating at the end of the day in the real world this sort of thing won't matter too much. You can make all the arguments you want that test scores don't measure true potential, but once released into the wild people have to find their own way in the jobs marketplace and actual ability (or lack thereof) quickly reveals itself to employers.

    I suppose this could be a triple bank shot where the people behind this a) insist scores are meaningless and minorities are actually super capable, b) they get into the workforce and the usual disparities reveal themselves, and c) accuse society being racist because we have not data like standardized tests that proves they were underachievers academically in the first place.

    Not sure the equity crowd realizes this, but by erasing opportunities for capable minorities to demonstrate this through impartial metrics, a lot of institutions/employers will just fall back on stereotypes and assume all things being equal, take the white or Asian applicant if you can.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Jack D, @Alden

    once released into the wild people have to find their own way in the jobs marketplace and actual ability (or lack thereof) quickly reveals itself

    Oh, no worries, they’re on top of this one too. Have been for decades, actually.

    institutions/employers will just fall back on stereotypes and assume all things being equal, take the white or Asian applicant if you can.

    Lol. You obviously haven’t been on any hiring committees lately.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Almost Missouri

    Fortunately in my job, I do not have to rely on hiring committees to select who I want working on a given team.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  27. @Pat Kittle
    Way back when I first heard Angela Davis belting out multisyllable demands in standard English I was really impressed.

    Eventually it became obvious these Negro extortionists memorize just enough academic jargon to mau-mau academic flak-catchers. Off-script they revert to standard Ebonics.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @fish, @Old Prude, @Stephen Paul Foster

    Eventually it became obvious these Negro extortionists memorize just enough academic jargon to mau-mau academic flak-catchers. Off-script they revert to standard Ebonics.

    Apparently it’s contagious….the Flak-Catchers have really picked up the ball and run with it turning all of this spouted nonsense into a subset sociological disciplines (“XXXX Studies”).

  28. @Henry's Cat
    @guest007

    Imaginary numbers are used in maths. Let's imagine that black test scores are the same or higher than everyone else. QED.

    Replies: @bomag, @Almost Missouri, @pyrrhus

    The square root of negative one will solve this.

  29. “measurement justice”

    Actual justice is pure and needs no modifiers. When the Pledge speaks about “liberty and justice for all”, it’s just plain justice.

    Any time justice gets a modifier – “social justice”, “People’s justice”, and now “measurement justice”, it is a red flag that the speaker is uttering Orwellian doubletalk and means the exact opposite of justice. It means that justice has to lift its blindfold and peek – but rest assured, it’s for a good cause, so it’s OK.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri, bomag
  30. Bring it. We’ll beat you at your test, too.

    I repeat my age old question: How much must you hate someone to not correct them? To let them go on believing the false, leaving the trap set for them to fail at a greater moment?

    the true capacity of minoritized learners

    Th’ wuh?

  31. @Arclight
    LOL - a veneer of academic credibility to try to wash away inconvenient metrics. Although absurd and infuriating at the end of the day in the real world this sort of thing won't matter too much. You can make all the arguments you want that test scores don't measure true potential, but once released into the wild people have to find their own way in the jobs marketplace and actual ability (or lack thereof) quickly reveals itself to employers.

    I suppose this could be a triple bank shot where the people behind this a) insist scores are meaningless and minorities are actually super capable, b) they get into the workforce and the usual disparities reveal themselves, and c) accuse society being racist because we have not data like standardized tests that proves they were underachievers academically in the first place.

    Not sure the equity crowd realizes this, but by erasing opportunities for capable minorities to demonstrate this through impartial metrics, a lot of institutions/employers will just fall back on stereotypes and assume all things being equal, take the white or Asian applicant if you can.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Jack D, @Alden

    Uh, I hate to break this to you, but outside of non-g loaded occupations like athletics and rapping, capable minorities (in relation to the capabilities of their white and Asian peers) are as rare as hen’s teeth.

    The Peter Principle was that people tended to rise to the level of their incompetence. Due to the operation of Affirmative Action, NAMs nowadays rise BEYOND the level of their incompetence. The black woman who would have been an OK paralegal is now a lawyer. The black woman who would have been an OK nurse is now a doctor. Etc.

    The actual qualified black enrollment in top law schools should be maybe 1 or 2% but instead it’s 10 or 15%. The rare truth teller like Amy Wax will tell you that almost all black law students are clustered at the bottom of their class. Blacks in the top half of their law school class at an Ivy League school are as rare as hen’s teeth. When they find one, the make him the POTUS or put him on the Supreme Court – he’s not going to be competing with comparable whites for a job at whatever level you are offering.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Jack D

    I understand all of your points, what I am saying is that by taking away objective metrics qualified minorities just will get lumped in with the chaff rather than having some kind of token of their capability to show to employers. This happened in DC when they banned job applications that asked about criminal convictions - the assumption was that this item led to discrimination against blacks, but doing away with it actually drove black hiring even lower because without the ability to differentiate between black applicants without a criminal history and those without, employers just stayed away from black hires as much as they could.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  32. Declaring war against The Axis of Evil — the y axis, the x axis …

    • LOL: bomag
  33. The vast majority of people have very little idea how much our current world relies on proper use of STEM. For example, try explaining the 1st or 2nd law of thermodynamics to someone without any STEM education. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a large proportion of people who really can’t tell the difference between science and magic; i.e. science is just “Western magic”, and there are viable alternatives in other cultures.

  34. Just get black people to write the tests. This should determine whether there’s anything to the “cultural bias” issue.

  35. @SiNCERITY.net
    Please tell me this is a competitor of the Babylonbee. This total nonsense cannot be true, cannot be take seriously.

    BUT

    Everything falsecan be derived from one falsepremise (f ⇒ f ...


    https://sincerity.net/false-premise-false-conclusion/

    From one falsepremise (false dogma, false belief) everything false follows. In mathematics, from the falseassumption (a) that 1+1= 3 other false statemenst follow, like 13=27

    And from the false premise
    black QI equal to Chinese IQ
    follows the above nonsense.

    Replies: @martin_2, @Deckin

    Everything, true or false, can be derived from a false statement. That is to say, if P is false, then P implies Q, and if P is false, then P implies not-Q.

  36. @SiNCERITY.net
    Please tell me this is a competitor of the Babylonbee. This total nonsense cannot be true, cannot be take seriously.

    BUT

    Everything falsecan be derived from one falsepremise (f ⇒ f ...


    https://sincerity.net/false-premise-false-conclusion/

    From one falsepremise (false dogma, false belief) everything false follows. In mathematics, from the falseassumption (a) that 1+1= 3 other false statemenst follow, like 13=27

    And from the false premise
    black QI equal to Chinese IQ
    follows the above nonsense.

    Replies: @martin_2, @Deckin

    You need to distinguish between the truth conditions of a material conditional sentence (if A, then B) from the definition of the validity of arguments (from premises P1, P2,…, follows conclusion C).

    Though intimately related, they are different phenomena. It’s true that for a material conditional, if the antecedent (‘if’ part) is false, the sentences is always true, no matter the consequent (‘then’ part). But it’s not true that from a false premise, any conclusion follows. Validity is defined over possible worlds or situations; truth over the actual world.

    E.g., from the premise ‘It’s January now’ it doesn’t follow that ‘Steve is a billionaire’. Simply because it’s possible for it be January and Steve not to be a billionaire (wait a few months). What you need to get your idea across is what’s known as the Duns Scotus or Explosion principle: From a necessarily or logically false sentence (or set of sentences) anything at all follows.

  37. @Wilkey
    I wish for a test that is both valid and that also proves that I am a better physicist than Kip Thorne and George Smoot. Please come up with one, post-haste.

    Replies: @Macumazahn, @pyrrhus

    Here you go: “Is your name Edward Witten?”

  38. @Art Deco
    @Pat Kittle

    Eventually it became obvious these Negro extortionists memorize just enough academic jargon to mau-mau academic flak-catchers. Off-script they revert to standard Ebonics.

    Ordinary blacks switch back and forth between standard English and dialect depending on who they're talking to and the precise venue, which is what you'd know if you were ever in a workplace with a critical mass of blacks. Dialect is used for informal intramural communication, which is why it has no literary form. Other languages have a distinction between the formal and the demotic. (Arabic and Modern Greek to name two).

    Replies: @Pat Kittle, @SunBakedSuburb, @Ghjjhgg

    “Dialect is used for informal intramural communication, which is why it has no literary form.”

    Except for the starchy stuff, idiom and colloquial language is used throughout most literary forms. The real degradation will occur as the planet becomes even more Africanized. Under this racial regime a regressed humanity will communicate through emphatic hand gestures, grunts and snorts, and strange clicking and buzzing sounds. By this time the few whites left will have become Schwabian humanoid worms, communicating telepathically and existing in large drawers filled with a gelatin generated by a breathing/consuming/excreting sequence. The underground installation housing the drawered white worms will come equipped with a nuclear self-destruct device in the event the Africans manage to breach the security system in their attempt to seize the drawers and eat what’s left of whitey.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Except for the starchy stuff, idiom and colloquial language is used throughout most literary forms.

    There is a distinction between spoken and written Arabic. It's a diglossic language. The same is true of modern Greek. This is not true of English.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @HammerJack
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Finally, a far-sighted individual comes forth with a bright, shining vision of the future of humanity; to counter all of the purveyors of endless doom and gloom around here! I salute you sir, and thank you most sincerely.

  39. @Jack D
    @Arclight

    Uh, I hate to break this to you, but outside of non-g loaded occupations like athletics and rapping, capable minorities (in relation to the capabilities of their white and Asian peers) are as rare as hen's teeth.

    The Peter Principle was that people tended to rise to the level of their incompetence. Due to the operation of Affirmative Action, NAMs nowadays rise BEYOND the level of their incompetence. The black woman who would have been an OK paralegal is now a lawyer. The black woman who would have been an OK nurse is now a doctor. Etc.

    The actual qualified black enrollment in top law schools should be maybe 1 or 2% but instead it's 10 or 15%. The rare truth teller like Amy Wax will tell you that almost all black law students are clustered at the bottom of their class. Blacks in the top half of their law school class at an Ivy League school are as rare as hen's teeth. When they find one, the make him the POTUS or put him on the Supreme Court - he's not going to be competing with comparable whites for a job at whatever level you are offering.

    Replies: @Arclight

    I understand all of your points, what I am saying is that by taking away objective metrics qualified minorities just will get lumped in with the chaff rather than having some kind of token of their capability to show to employers. This happened in DC when they banned job applications that asked about criminal convictions – the assumption was that this item led to discrimination against blacks, but doing away with it actually drove black hiring even lower because without the ability to differentiate between black applicants without a criminal history and those without, employers just stayed away from black hires as much as they could.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Arclight

    It keeps peeking through that these people are totalitarians who want to control your every move, and they just drifted toward black hiring as an issue because black hiring provides a broad index to what people predictably want.

  40. @Almost Missouri
    @Arclight


    once released into the wild people have to find their own way in the jobs marketplace and actual ability (or lack thereof) quickly reveals itself
     
    Oh, no worries, they're on top of this one too. Have been for decades, actually.

    institutions/employers will just fall back on stereotypes and assume all things being equal, take the white or Asian applicant if you can.
     
    Lol. You obviously haven't been on any hiring committees lately.

    Replies: @Arclight

    Fortunately in my job, I do not have to rely on hiring committees to select who I want working on a given team.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Arclight

    👍

  41. So BIPOC is out, BBI is in.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @SIMP simp


    So BIPOC is out, BBI is in.
     
    BBW would be in too, but they can't fit though the damn doorway.
  42. @Pat Kittle
    Way back when I first heard Angela Davis belting out multisyllable demands in standard English I was really impressed.

    Eventually it became obvious these Negro extortionists memorize just enough academic jargon to mau-mau academic flak-catchers. Off-script they revert to standard Ebonics.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @fish, @Old Prude, @Stephen Paul Foster

    “Eventually it became obvious these Negro extortionists memorize just enough academic jargon to mau-mau academic flak-catchers.”

    Cornell West is a case study. As one wag put it “He uses big words for the same reason a fourteen year old girl uses tissue paper.”

  43. anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    A middle school principal with the Burnsville-Eagan-Savage (suburban Minneapolis) school district has been charged with trying to hire for sex a 15-year-old girl who was actually an undercover police officer working a sex trafficking and prostitution sting operation.

    [MORE]
    May 2022 courtesy photo of Mohamed Ali Selim. Selim, 38, of Lakeville, a middle school principal with the Burnsville-Eagan-Savage school district, has been charged with trying to hire a 15-year-old prostitute, who was actually an undercover officer working a child sex sting operation, in St. Louis Park on Tuesday, May 17, 2022. Selim has been charged in Hennepin County District Court with with one count of prostitution of someone he believed to be between the ages 13-16. Selim is the principal at Eagle Ridge Middle School and was previously the principal at William Byrne Elementary School. Both schools are part of the Burnsville-Eagan-Savage School District. (Courtesy of the Hennepin County Sheriff’s Office)
    Mohamed Ali Selim (Courtesy of the Hennepin County Sheriff’s Office)
    Mohamed Ali Selim, 38, of Lakeville, was charged Thursday in Hennepin County District Court with felony prostitution of someone he believed to be between 13 to 16 years old. Selim was arrested Tuesday and remains jailed, awaiting a first court appearance on Friday.

    Selim has been the principal at Eagle Ridge Middle School in Savage since July, following two years as the principal at William Byrne Elementary in Burnsville, according to the school district.

    Selim allegedly responded to an advertisement for prostitution and engaged in a text conversation with a 15-year-old girl, according to authorities. The advertisements were placed on websites by officers who were involved in the sex trafficking and prostitution detail. https://i0.wp.com/www.twincities.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Mohamed-Ali-Selim.jpg?fit=620%2C9999px&ssl=1

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @anonymous

    At the time these alleged offences took place, the British National Party was polling well and the police looked the other way. 25-odd years later the BNP are effectively defunct, so this can happen.

    https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/20150108.twelve-men-charged-historic-child-sex-offences/


    12 men, most of whom are from the Keighley and Bradford district, are due to appear before Bradford Magistrates tomorrow charged with child sexual offences.

    Police described the alleged offending as "non-recent" as they released the names of those charged.

    All of the charges relate to two victims and are alleged to have occurred in the Bradford and Keighley areas between 1996 and 1998.

    Nine of the men charged are from the Keighley area, two are from the Bradford district and one is from Notthingham.

    All those who have been charged are over 40-years-old, with nine of them aged being in their 40s, two in their 50s and one in his mid-60s.

    Abdul Shukoor, 45, of Keighley, has been charged with gross indecency and indecent assault of a girl under the age of 14.

    Amreaz Ashghar, 45, of Keighley, has been charged with two counts of rape and indecent assault of a girl under 16 and gross indecency of a girl under 14.

    Perwaz Ashghar, 48, of Nottingham, has been charged with indecent assault of a girl under 16.

    Mohamed Shabir Din, 45, of Keighley, has been charged with six counts of rape and two counts of indecent assault of a girl under 16.

    Ibrar Hussain, 44, of Keighley, has been charged with rape.

    Sajid Mahmood, 42, of Keighley, has been charged with rape.

    Zehroon Razaq, 44, of Keighley, has been charged with rape.

    Sheraz Ahktar Khan, 44, of Keighley, has been charged with rape.

    Mushtaq Ahmed, 52, of Keighley, has been charged with two counts of rape and indecent assault on a girl under 16.

    Imtiaz Ahmed, 58, of Keighley, has been charged with two counts of rape.

    Fayaz Ahmed, 42, of Bingley, has been charged with two counts of rape.

    Willard Anthony Clunis, 64, of Bradford, has been charged with indecent assault of a girl under 16.
     

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @anonymous

    What was he doing in St Jewish Park? Trawling for fellow Semites?


    https://kstp.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/MohamedAliSelimMugshot5-19-22.jpg

  44. This could be good. It’s worth keeping an eye on. Mark Zuckerberg’s foundation is one of the donors to this organization.

  45. @Observator
    I do so love wokespeak. It reminds me of nerdly high school term papers, carefully crafted to show off how very clever the authors imagine they are, with ten dollar words aplenty where fifty cent ones would convey meaning more clearly. Yet the slavish repetition of the canons of that weird and wonderful belief system, with its obligatory meaningless generalizations, display quite the opposite of accurate observation, let alone of great intelligence. The woke phenomenon strikes me as the latest cynical scheme of the one percenters to neuter the powerfully revolutionary but naïve enthusiasm of youth into something that cannot threaten the hold on power they’ve stolen from the body politic at large.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Sollipsist

    I went to graduation ceremony for the sociology dept at UC Berkeley back in the late 80’s. The speaker was a fat black woman who went on and on using every fashionable cliche in the then book. Nobody was paying attention, in fact, many of the students were sneaking sips of booze. But even at the time, I was appalled at the emptiness and stupidity of the jargon. There was no point to the speech and no logical flow. Just phrase after phrase that I heard every sociology student recite in every conversation.

    what was weird was that my friend who was getting her diploma that day was truly brilliant. Crazy, yes, but brilliant. Hmm…

    • Replies: @jamie b.
    @stillCARealist

    Yup. There's little about Wokeness that I hadn't already seen in college way back in the 80's. It has simply metastasized.

  46. Nobody is checking these things and people are writing checks to them. I am an idiot for not starting the D’André Washington Institute for Outstanding Achievement in Social Justice Excellence (motto: “Do Better. Give More”).

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @J.Ross


    Nobody is checking these things and people are writing checks to them.
     
    Since Steve's April 13th post about BLM's Patrisse Cullors's travails with IRS paperwork, there have been some updates, according to various media outlets. The NY Post has been having a field day with the new revelations:

    Main article
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/17/inside-blm-co-founder-patrisse-cullors-questionable-tax-filings/

    $12 million for luxury properties in LA & Toronto(!)
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/17/black-lives-matter-spent-at-least-12-million-on-mansions/

    Pays her baby daddy ~$1 million for "creative services"—wait, wasn't she supposed to be lesbian?
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/17/blm-paid-co-founders-baby-daddy-far-more-than-trayvon-martin-group/

    $76k for private jet service
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/17/blm-leader-took-private-jets-due-to-security-threats/

    $1.2 million to lobby Congress to impeach Trump (illegal for a 501c3 last I checked)
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/17/blm-used-donations-to-lobby-congress-to-impeach-trump/

    Pays her brother $840k for "security"
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/18/blm-paid-patrisse-cullors-graffiti-artist-brother-800k-for-security/

    NY Post states the obvious: donors don't care; they're just buying PR
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/17/corporations-dont-care-if-blm-is-wasting-money-they-were-buying-pr/

    She acknowledges “That was a lot of white guilt money. There’s a lot of white folks being like, ‘We just got to put the money.’“ Lol.
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/18/blm-co-founder-patrisse-cullors-says-white-guilt-money-mistakes-weaponized-against-her/

    Clinton-DNC top lawyer jumps from BLM ship. Iceberg soon?
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/top-clinton-allies-leave-black-lives-matter-board/
  47. @Arclight
    @Jack D

    I understand all of your points, what I am saying is that by taking away objective metrics qualified minorities just will get lumped in with the chaff rather than having some kind of token of their capability to show to employers. This happened in DC when they banned job applications that asked about criminal convictions - the assumption was that this item led to discrimination against blacks, but doing away with it actually drove black hiring even lower because without the ability to differentiate between black applicants without a criminal history and those without, employers just stayed away from black hires as much as they could.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    It keeps peeking through that these people are totalitarians who want to control your every move, and they just drifted toward black hiring as an issue because black hiring provides a broad index to what people predictably want.

  48. @Henry's Cat
    @guest007

    Imaginary numbers are used in maths. Let's imagine that black test scores are the same or higher than everyone else. QED.

    Replies: @bomag, @Almost Missouri, @pyrrhus

    Sure, but there’s an i in imaginary numbers, and blacks are selfless, so obviously racist….

  49. @Wilkey
    I wish for a test that is both valid and that also proves that I am a better physicist than Kip Thorne and George Smoot. Please come up with one, post-haste.

    Replies: @Macumazahn, @pyrrhus

    But quantum physics is racist because blacks can’t spell any of those weird particles…

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
    @pyrrhus


    But quantum physics is racist because blacks can’t spell any of those weird particles…
     
    The Center for Speling Justice can fix that.
    , @James Speaks
    @pyrrhus

    They're all bosons.

  50. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Art Deco

    "Dialect is used for informal intramural communication, which is why it has no literary form."

    Except for the starchy stuff, idiom and colloquial language is used throughout most literary forms. The real degradation will occur as the planet becomes even more Africanized. Under this racial regime a regressed humanity will communicate through emphatic hand gestures, grunts and snorts, and strange clicking and buzzing sounds. By this time the few whites left will have become Schwabian humanoid worms, communicating telepathically and existing in large drawers filled with a gelatin generated by a breathing/consuming/excreting sequence. The underground installation housing the drawered white worms will come equipped with a nuclear self-destruct device in the event the Africans manage to breach the security system in their attempt to seize the drawers and eat what's left of whitey.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @HammerJack

    Except for the starchy stuff, idiom and colloquial language is used throughout most literary forms.

    There is a distinction between spoken and written Arabic. It’s a diglossic language. The same is true of modern Greek. This is not true of English.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Art Deco

    Arabic is diglossic but it's clearer to say that it's fragmenting into about six regional derivations. I'm not sure how this is helpful, though, since an educated speaker/reader would be familiar with enough important classical idioms to communicate with another educated person, and the modern innovations are sorted by place, so they're not totally inaccessible either. What SBS seems to be talking about is different. Already I see people online, especially zoomers, not know English. They are not like the Lebanese innovating their own grammatical workarounds, they don't know English and they don't know anything else either.

  51. @michael droy

    The field of educational measurement is steeped in ways that center heteronormative white supremacy, from the assumption that assessment tasks can be culturally neutral (they cannot), to an oft-used technique in which new measures are deemed good if they correlate strongly with old measures, essentially proving their ability to uphold the current social order through a network of deficit-framed data.
     
    Of course the irony is that what the tests have done most accurately is to prove the supremacy of Asians over white Europeans. And China is showing us how.

    Replies: @bomag

    Tests have also shown us the importance of deviations from the mean.

    Those a good ways above the mean are the ones who make the contributions that matter the most.

    • Agree: Technite78
  52. CENTER FOR MEASUREMENT JUSTICE

    Finally! Someone’s standing athwart metric imperialism!

    Give ’em a micrometer, they’ll take a kilometer.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Reg Cæsar

    https://i.postimg.cc/XNjXtPr4/Look-at-me-I-am-the-Captain-now1.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  53. @Reg Cæsar

    CENTER FOR MEASUREMENT JUSTICE
     
    Finally! Someone's standing athwart metric imperialism!


    Give 'em a micrometer, they'll take a kilometer.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    • LOL: Technite78, bomag, bruce county
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Almost Missouri


    "I am the segregationist now."
     
    If only...
  54. @Arclight
    @Almost Missouri

    Fortunately in my job, I do not have to rely on hiring committees to select who I want working on a given team.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    👍

  55. @pyrrhus
    @Wilkey

    But quantum physics is racist because blacks can't spell any of those weird particles...

    Replies: @Pat Kittle, @James Speaks

    But quantum physics is racist because blacks can’t spell any of those weird particles…

    The Center for Speling Justice can fix that.

  56. @pyrrhus
    @Wilkey

    But quantum physics is racist because blacks can't spell any of those weird particles...

    Replies: @Pat Kittle, @James Speaks

    They’re all bosons.

  57. Art Deco writes in Comment #42, “There is a distinction between spoken and
    written Arabic. It’s a diglossic language. The same is true of modern Greek.”
    When scriptwriters for Arabic and Greek films write their scripts, do they use
    spoken or written forms of Arabic and Greek?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Sidewalk Meanderings

    Did Mark Twain write Tom Sawyer in English or in dialect?

    , @Art Deco
    @Sidewalk Meanderings

    Arabic has a literary form, which is both spoken and written. It also has demotic forms, which are just spoken (and which are often mutually unintelligible). You hear the spoken form of Modern Literary Arabic on something like a radio broadcast.

  58. @anonymous
    OT:

    A middle school principal with the Burnsville-Eagan-Savage (suburban Minneapolis) school district has been charged with trying to hire for sex a 15-year-old girl who was actually an undercover police officer working a sex trafficking and prostitution sting operation. May 2022 courtesy photo of Mohamed Ali Selim. Selim, 38, of Lakeville, a middle school principal with the Burnsville-Eagan-Savage school district, has been charged with trying to hire a 15-year-old prostitute, who was actually an undercover officer working a child sex sting operation, in St. Louis Park on Tuesday, May 17, 2022. Selim has been charged in Hennepin County District Court with with one count of prostitution of someone he believed to be between the ages 13-16. Selim is the principal at Eagle Ridge Middle School and was previously the principal at William Byrne Elementary School. Both schools are part of the Burnsville-Eagan-Savage School District. (Courtesy of the Hennepin County Sheriff's Office)
    Mohamed Ali Selim (Courtesy of the Hennepin County Sheriff’s Office)
    Mohamed Ali Selim, 38, of Lakeville, was charged Thursday in Hennepin County District Court with felony prostitution of someone he believed to be between 13 to 16 years old. Selim was arrested Tuesday and remains jailed, awaiting a first court appearance on Friday.

    Selim has been the principal at Eagle Ridge Middle School in Savage since July, following two years as the principal at William Byrne Elementary in Burnsville, according to the school district.

    Selim allegedly responded to an advertisement for prostitution and engaged in a text conversation with a 15-year-old girl, according to authorities. The advertisements were placed on websites by officers who were involved in the sex trafficking and prostitution detail. https://i0.wp.com/www.twincities.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Mohamed-Ali-Selim.jpg?fit=620%2C9999px&ssl=1

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Reg Cæsar

    At the time these alleged offences took place, the British National Party was polling well and the police looked the other way. 25-odd years later the BNP are effectively defunct, so this can happen.

    https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/20150108.twelve-men-charged-historic-child-sex-offences/

    12 men, most of whom are from the Keighley and Bradford district, are due to appear before Bradford Magistrates tomorrow charged with child sexual offences.

    Police described the alleged offending as “non-recent” as they released the names of those charged.

    All of the charges relate to two victims and are alleged to have occurred in the Bradford and Keighley areas between 1996 and 1998.

    Nine of the men charged are from the Keighley area, two are from the Bradford district and one is from Notthingham.

    All those who have been charged are over 40-years-old, with nine of them aged being in their 40s, two in their 50s and one in his mid-60s.

    Abdul Shukoor, 45, of Keighley, has been charged with gross indecency and indecent assault of a girl under the age of 14.

    Amreaz Ashghar, 45, of Keighley, has been charged with two counts of rape and indecent assault of a girl under 16 and gross indecency of a girl under 14.

    Perwaz Ashghar, 48, of Nottingham, has been charged with indecent assault of a girl under 16.

    Mohamed Shabir Din, 45, of Keighley, has been charged with six counts of rape and two counts of indecent assault of a girl under 16.

    Ibrar Hussain, 44, of Keighley, has been charged with rape.

    Sajid Mahmood, 42, of Keighley, has been charged with rape.

    Zehroon Razaq, 44, of Keighley, has been charged with rape.

    Sheraz Ahktar Khan, 44, of Keighley, has been charged with rape.

    Mushtaq Ahmed, 52, of Keighley, has been charged with two counts of rape and indecent assault on a girl under 16.

    Imtiaz Ahmed, 58, of Keighley, has been charged with two counts of rape.

    Fayaz Ahmed, 42, of Bingley, has been charged with two counts of rape.

    Willard Anthony Clunis, 64, of Bradford, has been charged with indecent assault of a girl under 16.

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Alden
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Here we go again. Just like with the charges against Epstein, the MEN OF UNZ will jump in to defend sex with girls under 16.

    And if a girl or woman wasn’t bruised battered and at least 5 small or 1 large bones broken while resisting, it wasn’t rape but con sexual sex.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Bill Jones

  59. @Almost Missouri
    @Reg Cæsar

    https://i.postimg.cc/XNjXtPr4/Look-at-me-I-am-the-Captain-now1.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    “I am the segregationist now.”

    If only…

  60. @J.Ross
    Nobody is checking these things and people are writing checks to them. I am an idiot for not starting the D'André Washington Institute for Outstanding Achievement in Social Justice Excellence (motto: "Do Better. Give More").

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Nobody is checking these things and people are writing checks to them.

    Since Steve’s April 13th post about BLM’s Patrisse Cullors’s travails with IRS paperwork, there have been some updates, according to various media outlets. The NY Post has been having a field day with the new revelations:

    Main article
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/17/inside-blm-co-founder-patrisse-cullors-questionable-tax-filings/

    \$12 million for luxury properties in LA & Toronto(!)
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/17/black-lives-matter-spent-at-least-12-million-on-mansions/

    Pays her baby daddy ~\$1 million for “creative services”—wait, wasn’t she supposed to be lesbian?
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/17/blm-paid-co-founders-baby-daddy-far-more-than-trayvon-martin-group/

    \$76k for private jet service
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/17/blm-leader-took-private-jets-due-to-security-threats/

    \$1.2 million to lobby Congress to impeach Trump (illegal for a 501c3 last I checked)
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/17/blm-used-donations-to-lobby-congress-to-impeach-trump/

    Pays her brother \$840k for “security”
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/18/blm-paid-patrisse-cullors-graffiti-artist-brother-800k-for-security/

    NY Post states the obvious: donors don’t care; they’re just buying PR
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/17/corporations-dont-care-if-blm-is-wasting-money-they-were-buying-pr/

    She acknowledges “That was a lot of white guilt money. There’s a lot of white folks being like, ‘We just got to put the money.’“ Lol.
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/18/blm-co-founder-patrisse-cullors-says-white-guilt-money-mistakes-weaponized-against-her/

    Clinton-DNC top lawyer jumps from BLM ship. Iceberg soon?
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/top-clinton-allies-leave-black-lives-matter-board/

    • Thanks: J.Ross, HammerJack
  61. When I read ‘Center for Measurement Justice’

    I thought we were talking about the disparities in the measurement of a certain body part

  62. @Achmed E. Newman
    The whole "Education" field is bullshit, so you would expect some of this anyway, but this summary is extra filled with long words in long sentences designed to lose people. That's a black thing - because it works on them, these people figure readers will stop reading and figure the writers are smart people, because of all the big words and long sentences.

    It's a good living, I guess ...

    Replies: @Joe862, @Legba

    They seem to like flashy, gaudy things in general. I think speech is no exception. It doesn’t matter that it’s horrible communication if it’s colorful.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Joe862

    Purple soda, purple cars, purple prose ...

  63. @James Speaks
    Polysyllabic Word Salad
    In Zulu, there is no word for halfway up a tree. Either the monkey is up or the monkey is down.

    This monkey is down.

    Replies: @jamie b., @Reg Cæsar, @Ghjjhgg

    In Zulu, there is no word for halfway up a tree.

    Willing to bet that no language has such a word.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @jamie b.

    You're right! The word halfway does not exist in English. (face palm)

    Next topic: Who is buried in Grant's tomb?

    Replies: @jamie b.

    , @James Speaks
    @jamie b.

    My point was to suggest that the innate linguistic skills of Miss Center for Measurement Justice do not support complicated ideas, hence the word salad of the essay which could be summarized as facts be damned, more gibs!

  64. @Sidewalk Meanderings
    Art Deco writes in Comment #42, "There is a distinction between spoken and
    written Arabic. It's a diglossic language. The same is true of modern Greek."
    When scriptwriters for Arabic and Greek films write their scripts, do they use
    spoken or written forms of Arabic and Greek?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco

    Did Mark Twain write Tom Sawyer in English or in dialect?

  65. @Art Deco
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Except for the starchy stuff, idiom and colloquial language is used throughout most literary forms.

    There is a distinction between spoken and written Arabic. It's a diglossic language. The same is true of modern Greek. This is not true of English.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Arabic is diglossic but it’s clearer to say that it’s fragmenting into about six regional derivations. I’m not sure how this is helpful, though, since an educated speaker/reader would be familiar with enough important classical idioms to communicate with another educated person, and the modern innovations are sorted by place, so they’re not totally inaccessible either. What SBS seems to be talking about is different. Already I see people online, especially zoomers, not know English. They are not like the Lebanese innovating their own grammatical workarounds, they don’t know English and they don’t know anything else either.

  66. @stillCARealist
    @Observator

    I went to graduation ceremony for the sociology dept at UC Berkeley back in the late 80's. The speaker was a fat black woman who went on and on using every fashionable cliche in the then book. Nobody was paying attention, in fact, many of the students were sneaking sips of booze. But even at the time, I was appalled at the emptiness and stupidity of the jargon. There was no point to the speech and no logical flow. Just phrase after phrase that I heard every sociology student recite in every conversation.

    what was weird was that my friend who was getting her diploma that day was truly brilliant. Crazy, yes, but brilliant. Hmm...

    Replies: @jamie b.

    Yup. There’s little about Wokeness that I hadn’t already seen in college way back in the 80’s. It has simply metastasized.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  67. @jamie b.
    @James Speaks


    In Zulu, there is no word for halfway up a tree.
     
    Willing to bet that no language has such a word.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @James Speaks

    You’re right! The word halfway does not exist in English. (face palm)

    Next topic: Who is buried in Grant’s tomb?

    • Troll: HammerJack
    • Replies: @jamie b.
    @James Speaks

    So... what I thought you meant was...


    ...no word for halfway up a tree...
     
    ...but what you actually meant was...

    ...no word for halfway up a tree...
     
    I guess that I just don't know what it means for a word to be "up a tree."

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @James Speaks

  68. The site had several photos. It seems the employees of this group like to sit together at a desk and smile A lot. It must be a fun place.
    And one black lady with very,very big hair.

  69. @Joe862
    @Achmed E. Newman

    They seem to like flashy, gaudy things in general. I think speech is no exception. It doesn't matter that it's horrible communication if it's colorful.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Purple soda, purple cars, purple prose …

  70. Rob says:

    When an infection, a cold, say, causes an immune response that kills it off as a part of the virus’ infectious cycle, that infection is said to be “self-limiting.” This is in contrast to infections that you don’t necessarily clear, such as hepatitis or HIV.

    It seems to me that progressive institutions, which is pretty much everything, get rid of testing and assessment — and every assessment has to go, because blacks do poorly on anything cognitively loaded — the organization is greatly reducing its efficacy. I forget which commenter applied the O-ring theory of development/economics to single businesses, ah it was Simple Song. Anything an entity (business, charity, governmental department) does consists of some steps in sequence. If there are 5 steps and each one is done with 100% success, then the probability of doing the thing is 1. If each step is done with 97% success, then (0.97)**5 = 85% of the multi-step process working. A ten-step process has a 47% success rate.

    [MORE]

    Realistically, a black person put in a role with no screening allowed will probably do the job much less well than someone chosen on merit. Is 0.7 a realistic number? Then that 5 step process only succeeds 17% of the time. A ten-step process succeeds 13 times out of 100,000 attempts.

    When Red Jews went into a field or company to kill and wear its skin, like Dick Lewontin and Stephen Jay Gould in evolutionary biology, they were clever enough that people still trusted the field, even though they were giving output that was obviously wrong alongside espousing subjective preferences as objective foundations of the field.

    Blacks cannot do that. When an organization goes black, it will ruin its credibility within a year, perhaps two. That California math curriculum advisory group? I don’t care what its name actually was. The one that said all children have equal aptitude for math, so they advised eliminating advanced math in public high schools. I don’t know if that group was largely black, but the same principle applies. Perhaps the women running the group were AWFLs, they still had a low chance of doing each step successfully.

    In addition, putting (relatively) dumb blacks in charge is difficult to reverse. The black CEO (wow, does he look good in a suit) cannot start proper evaluation of new hires or people promoted, because changing the evaluation methods makes his rise look illegitimate. If there’s a board of directors, they probably don’t want to do a thorough housecleaning. The publicity would be terrible, and the discrimination lawsuits expensive.

    Take Nature, the family of scientific journals that decided it was going to push blacks into high positions, and ban researchers from proposing that innate racial/ethnic/population differences cause a difference in any outcome. Why are black people black? You cannot propose an innate, genetic cause, so some environmental cause must be found. Drinking grape soda? Having black parents and trying to emulate their skin color? ‘Tis a puzzle… They are also going to publish black (perhaps BIPOC) researchers with lower-quality, less important, or interesting work than from normal scientists. This was all announced during FloydFest, so perhaps they sobered up.

    What would be the outcome of Nature dumbing down? They would lower their prestige. Much like employers realizing that Dartmouth blacks are dumber than the real students, researchers would think, “yeah, that was published in Nature, but it was just a black, so who cares?” Like construction contractors, research groups would just get the lab’s black woman to front all their papers.

    The only danger of institution blackening is in government and tax-eater institutions. Government, because even though you know the school board is a bunch of stupid people, they still set policy for the local school. Everything else, the marketplace of ideas or economics will kill the organization.

    • Thanks: ic1000
    • Replies: @Rob
    @Rob

    Got my math wrong. 0.7**10 = .028. So, a three percent chance of success. I took (0.7**5)**5 when I should have done (0.7**5)**2.

    Clearly, I am pretty low on the O-ring scale, because I failed a two-step process.

  71. @James Speaks
    @jamie b.

    You're right! The word halfway does not exist in English. (face palm)

    Next topic: Who is buried in Grant's tomb?

    Replies: @jamie b.

    So… what I thought you meant was…

    …no word for halfway up a tree

    …but what you actually meant was…

    …no word for halfway up a tree…

    I guess that I just don’t know what it means for a word to be “up a tree.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @jamie b.

    Famously, there is a word for "to throw somebody out a window," defenestrate, but no word for pushing somebody off a cliff or into a swimming pool or countless other actions that occur about as often as defenestration, although the history of Prague seems particularly rich with incidents of defenestration.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @James Speaks, @jamie b.

    , @James Speaks
    @jamie b.


    I guess that I just don’t know what it means for a word to be “up a tree.”
     
    It's a lot like up a creek, but sideways. And not as wet.
  72. @anonymous
    OT:

    A middle school principal with the Burnsville-Eagan-Savage (suburban Minneapolis) school district has been charged with trying to hire for sex a 15-year-old girl who was actually an undercover police officer working a sex trafficking and prostitution sting operation. May 2022 courtesy photo of Mohamed Ali Selim. Selim, 38, of Lakeville, a middle school principal with the Burnsville-Eagan-Savage school district, has been charged with trying to hire a 15-year-old prostitute, who was actually an undercover officer working a child sex sting operation, in St. Louis Park on Tuesday, May 17, 2022. Selim has been charged in Hennepin County District Court with with one count of prostitution of someone he believed to be between the ages 13-16. Selim is the principal at Eagle Ridge Middle School and was previously the principal at William Byrne Elementary School. Both schools are part of the Burnsville-Eagan-Savage School District. (Courtesy of the Hennepin County Sheriff's Office)
    Mohamed Ali Selim (Courtesy of the Hennepin County Sheriff’s Office)
    Mohamed Ali Selim, 38, of Lakeville, was charged Thursday in Hennepin County District Court with felony prostitution of someone he believed to be between 13 to 16 years old. Selim was arrested Tuesday and remains jailed, awaiting a first court appearance on Friday.

    Selim has been the principal at Eagle Ridge Middle School in Savage since July, following two years as the principal at William Byrne Elementary in Burnsville, according to the school district.

    Selim allegedly responded to an advertisement for prostitution and engaged in a text conversation with a 15-year-old girl, according to authorities. The advertisements were placed on websites by officers who were involved in the sex trafficking and prostitution detail. https://i0.wp.com/www.twincities.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Mohamed-Ali-Selim.jpg?fit=620%2C9999px&ssl=1

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Reg Cæsar

    What was he doing in St Jewish Park? Trawling for fellow Semites?

  73. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Art Deco

    "Dialect is used for informal intramural communication, which is why it has no literary form."

    Except for the starchy stuff, idiom and colloquial language is used throughout most literary forms. The real degradation will occur as the planet becomes even more Africanized. Under this racial regime a regressed humanity will communicate through emphatic hand gestures, grunts and snorts, and strange clicking and buzzing sounds. By this time the few whites left will have become Schwabian humanoid worms, communicating telepathically and existing in large drawers filled with a gelatin generated by a breathing/consuming/excreting sequence. The underground installation housing the drawered white worms will come equipped with a nuclear self-destruct device in the event the Africans manage to breach the security system in their attempt to seize the drawers and eat what's left of whitey.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @HammerJack

    Finally, a far-sighted individual comes forth with a bright, shining vision of the future of humanity; to counter all of the purveyors of endless doom and gloom around here! I salute you sir, and thank you most sincerely.

  74. @SIMP simp
    So BIPOC is out, BBI is in.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    So BIPOC is out, BBI is in.

    BBW would be in too, but they can’t fit though the damn doorway.

  75. @James Speaks
    Polysyllabic Word Salad
    In Zulu, there is no word for halfway up a tree. Either the monkey is up or the monkey is down.

    This monkey is down.

    Replies: @jamie b., @Reg Cæsar, @Ghjjhgg

    Either the monkey is up or the monkey is down.

    This monkey is down.

    That’s catchier than “The Eagle has landed.”

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Reg Cæsar

    From an acquaintance who was in Africa at the time, they apparently had a large, three-stage bow and arrow setup, and the arrow-nauts (get it?) practiced walking on their hands. Because they would be upside down on the moon.

  76. It’s unreadable. What does it take to write such rubbish? Oh, I know, a degree in education.

  77. @jamie b.
    @James Speaks

    So... what I thought you meant was...


    ...no word for halfway up a tree...
     
    ...but what you actually meant was...

    ...no word for halfway up a tree...
     
    I guess that I just don't know what it means for a word to be "up a tree."

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @James Speaks

    Famously, there is a word for “to throw somebody out a window,” defenestrate, but no word for pushing somebody off a cliff or into a swimming pool or countless other actions that occur about as often as defenestration, although the history of Prague seems particularly rich with incidents of defenestration.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    Famously, there is a word for “to throw somebody out a window,” defenestrate
     
    When I was in that castle, an old lady guide/guard saw me looking for that window. She said, "Fenstersturz!" and pointed it out. To be safe, she added the Czech defenestrace, which is closer to the English.

    ...the history of Prague seems particularly rich with incidents of defenestration.
     
    As is Beauvais with cathedral collapses. Evidently some buttresses fly more than others. They didn't bother to finish it after the second incident.

    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a99bb303e2d09af170b9464/5fd5e601-b07f-4bfa-9b10-1aed0f012e3a/beauvais+how+to+spend+and+evening+insta+2.png


    Some cities are just lucky in that regard. Planes crashed into the Empire State Building and 40 Wall Street about a year apart in the 1940s. Lisbon managed to foist its second earthquake onto San Francisco, which is kind of a twin. The gods of geology were easy to fool, I guess.

    Replies: @James Speaks

    , @James Speaks
    @Steve Sailer


    pushing somebody off a cliff or into a swimming pool
     
    I propose to Mulholland Fall the victim or to Natalie Wood the victim.
    , @jamie b.
    @Steve Sailer

    I was once thrown out of a window, FWIW. An open, first story window, but still...

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  78. @Steve Sailer
    @jamie b.

    Famously, there is a word for "to throw somebody out a window," defenestrate, but no word for pushing somebody off a cliff or into a swimming pool or countless other actions that occur about as often as defenestration, although the history of Prague seems particularly rich with incidents of defenestration.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @James Speaks, @jamie b.

    Famously, there is a word for “to throw somebody out a window,” defenestrate

    When I was in that castle, an old lady guide/guard saw me looking for that window. She said, “Fenstersturz!” and pointed it out. To be safe, she added the Czech defenestrace, which is closer to the English.

    …the history of Prague seems particularly rich with incidents of defenestration.

    As is Beauvais with cathedral collapses. Evidently some buttresses fly more than others. They didn’t bother to finish it after the second incident.

    Some cities are just lucky in that regard. Planes crashed into the Empire State Building and 40 Wall Street about a year apart in the 1940s. Lisbon managed to foist its second earthquake onto San Francisco, which is kind of a twin. The gods of geology were easy to fool, I guess.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Reg Cæsar

    Freemasons did not understand forces and resultants. That's why they relied on memory - to duplicate previous structures that did not fall down.

    Had they understood forces, they could have laid out parabolic arches such that the force line stays withing the kern (middle 1/3) of the arch and transmits the load axially to the foundation.

    Sir Isaac Newton changed all that.

  79. @Arclight
    LOL - a veneer of academic credibility to try to wash away inconvenient metrics. Although absurd and infuriating at the end of the day in the real world this sort of thing won't matter too much. You can make all the arguments you want that test scores don't measure true potential, but once released into the wild people have to find their own way in the jobs marketplace and actual ability (or lack thereof) quickly reveals itself to employers.

    I suppose this could be a triple bank shot where the people behind this a) insist scores are meaningless and minorities are actually super capable, b) they get into the workforce and the usual disparities reveal themselves, and c) accuse society being racist because we have not data like standardized tests that proves they were underachievers academically in the first place.

    Not sure the equity crowd realizes this, but by erasing opportunities for capable minorities to demonstrate this through impartial metrics, a lot of institutions/employers will just fall back on stereotypes and assume all things being equal, take the white or Asian applicant if you can.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Jack D, @Alden

    The blacks may be useless in a workplace. But they can’t be fired subject to humiliating retraining, counseled or get any evaluations that are less than almost perfect.

    So there they are very loudly chatting gossiping intriguing starting arguments a constant irritation. The women organize big messy potlucks that waste hours. The men harass women. They often come in late leave early and have constant family emergencies when their thug kids or sex mates get in trouble. And endless drama loud drama.

    Aggressive bullies constantly playing their domination games. Jobs don’t improve their behavior. Just gives them a place to display it.

  80. @YetAnotherAnon
    @anonymous

    At the time these alleged offences took place, the British National Party was polling well and the police looked the other way. 25-odd years later the BNP are effectively defunct, so this can happen.

    https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/20150108.twelve-men-charged-historic-child-sex-offences/


    12 men, most of whom are from the Keighley and Bradford district, are due to appear before Bradford Magistrates tomorrow charged with child sexual offences.

    Police described the alleged offending as "non-recent" as they released the names of those charged.

    All of the charges relate to two victims and are alleged to have occurred in the Bradford and Keighley areas between 1996 and 1998.

    Nine of the men charged are from the Keighley area, two are from the Bradford district and one is from Notthingham.

    All those who have been charged are over 40-years-old, with nine of them aged being in their 40s, two in their 50s and one in his mid-60s.

    Abdul Shukoor, 45, of Keighley, has been charged with gross indecency and indecent assault of a girl under the age of 14.

    Amreaz Ashghar, 45, of Keighley, has been charged with two counts of rape and indecent assault of a girl under 16 and gross indecency of a girl under 14.

    Perwaz Ashghar, 48, of Nottingham, has been charged with indecent assault of a girl under 16.

    Mohamed Shabir Din, 45, of Keighley, has been charged with six counts of rape and two counts of indecent assault of a girl under 16.

    Ibrar Hussain, 44, of Keighley, has been charged with rape.

    Sajid Mahmood, 42, of Keighley, has been charged with rape.

    Zehroon Razaq, 44, of Keighley, has been charged with rape.

    Sheraz Ahktar Khan, 44, of Keighley, has been charged with rape.

    Mushtaq Ahmed, 52, of Keighley, has been charged with two counts of rape and indecent assault on a girl under 16.

    Imtiaz Ahmed, 58, of Keighley, has been charged with two counts of rape.

    Fayaz Ahmed, 42, of Bingley, has been charged with two counts of rape.

    Willard Anthony Clunis, 64, of Bradford, has been charged with indecent assault of a girl under 16.
     

    Replies: @Alden

    Here we go again. Just like with the charges against Epstein, the MEN OF UNZ will jump in to defend sex with girls under 16.

    And if a girl or woman wasn’t bruised battered and at least 5 small or 1 large bones broken while resisting, it wasn’t rape but con sexual sex.

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Alden

    "Just like with the charges against Epstein, the MEN OF UNZ will jump in to defend sex with girls under 16."

    I think the two contexts are very different. Epstein presented as a millionaire with a private island and contacts at the highest level in politics, entertainment, business, science.

    These guys will be taxi drivers, small storekeepers and kebab shop owners. The modus operandi will be very different. Remember also that in the UK, you can't lock up your underage teenage daughters - and if you complain to the police that Asian guys are abusing/****ing them you'll be warned about your racism. That's what happened to parents in Oxford.

    This is the sort of thing, from a deleted blog by a serving police officer. But it's true that for every Melissa there's a Cara.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20090603114126/http://nightjack.wordpress.com:80/2008/03/23/only-24-hours-to-crack-the-case-part-2/


    Four days after the event, “Melissa” (14yrs) is admitted to A&E with an overdose. It is one of those real I want to end it all overdoses. The sort involving tubes and beeps and lights and readouts. We only find out about it when she recovers. She speaks to Mum, and alleges that her boyfriend got her very drunk, took her to a seaside hotel and raped her whilst she was passed out.

    So on day six, the Police are called. Day seven Melissa is sensitively and appropriately interviewed to find out what happened to her. She is not sure of her boyfriends’ name, it might be Bilal (we will learn that this is not the truth) . She is not sure what sort of car he has, just that is “well wicked” and customised. She thinks he is 21 (we will learn in the end that he is well over 30). She does know that she went with her friend “Cara” and her boyfriend Qasim. Melissa thinks hearts and romance. Bilal thinks just another goray.

    Mum thought she was sleeping over with Cara, visa versa obviously. Into the car, one stop to get a bottle of vodka and a bottle of gin. Glug glug glug in the back of the car. Next stop the rent-by-the- hour Bedbug Towers hotel in a convenient seaside town. Melissa wakes in a strange bed to the inevitable and thoroughly planned molestation.

    Some 8 days after the event and its time for the detectives to get involved. OK one lucky lucky lucky (and I say again lucky) break. All of Melissa’s laundry from the night is still lying mid way up the heap on her bedroom floor. We have forensics maybe. A pair of us are despatched to find Cara. Cue two hours tramping the streets of a run down estate. We do find her in the end via a grandparent. With distressing inevitability Cara is now enjoying the dubious benefits of “Bilal’s” attentions. She is 17 but she looks a lot lot younger. That’s probably why Bilal gives her a second glance. Cue three hours of talking, cajoling and persuading Cara to stand up for her mate. The tipping point comes when she MMS’s a picture of Bilal to my phone. She tells it like it was, sort of. Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas and Cara is never going to say that she knew what the plans for Melissa were. She can also give us an address for Bilal. It is not the address where Bilal’s wife and three children live. The jackpot is when we drive Cara to the seaside ourselves and against the run of play she picks a hotel and she gets it right. Twelve pages of statement follow, from which she will later try and recant when Bilal declares his love to her again.

    Further enquiries at the hotel confirm Bilal’s presence on the night with a girl who was sick outside and again in the lobby. The Lithuanian night porter remembers Melissa being carried upstairs by Bilal, Qasim and Cara. Disturbingly, the staff recall having to put the mirror door from the wardrobe back on the next morning.
     

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Bill Jones
    @Alden

    Can you cite instances of this happening on UNZ?

  81. @Steve Sailer
    @jamie b.

    Famously, there is a word for "to throw somebody out a window," defenestrate, but no word for pushing somebody off a cliff or into a swimming pool or countless other actions that occur about as often as defenestration, although the history of Prague seems particularly rich with incidents of defenestration.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @James Speaks, @jamie b.

    pushing somebody off a cliff or into a swimming pool

    I propose to Mulholland Fall the victim or to Natalie Wood the victim.

  82. @jamie b.
    @James Speaks


    In Zulu, there is no word for halfway up a tree.
     
    Willing to bet that no language has such a word.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @James Speaks

    My point was to suggest that the innate linguistic skills of Miss Center for Measurement Justice do not support complicated ideas, hence the word salad of the essay which could be summarized as facts be damned, more gibs!

  83. Parody … or Inevitable?

    That might be asked about the interchanges on Moscow’s ring road:

  84. @guest007
    This may be the inverse of the Magic Dirt Fallacy. Blacks, on average, can do math as well as Asians but blacks just have a super secret way of doing the math and results in different but still correct answers. Everyone is correct in their own way.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @bomag, @Guest87

    I would hate to live in a universe where math didn’t work that way.

  85. @Pat Kittle
    Way back when I first heard Angela Davis belting out multisyllable demands in standard English I was really impressed.

    Eventually it became obvious these Negro extortionists memorize just enough academic jargon to mau-mau academic flak-catchers. Off-script they revert to standard Ebonics.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @fish, @Old Prude, @Stephen Paul Foster

    I’m thinking that Obama may be an interesting case study in diglossia. Raised by white people and well-schooled, he mastered standard English. He’s good with the teleprompter, but not so much on his own. When he drifted into community organizing he quickly acquired Chicago Ganglandeese. Perhaps that’s how he and Michelle communicate when no one else is around.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    When he drifted into community organizing he quickly acquired Chicago Ganglandeese. Perhaps that’s how he and Michelle communicate when no one else is around.

    He spent less than three years working for that Alinskyite outfit in Chicago and he likely wouldn't have spent much time around gangbangers. See if you can find a video of Obama or Mooch speaking in dialect; I don't think you can.

    Have a gander at their personal friends like Eric Whittaker and Valerie Jarrett. These people are mulattish, haut bourgeois from birth, sometimes the grandchildren of well-to-do people. Its a reasonable wager they never spoke dialect in any venue at any time in their lives.

    Mooch it's a reasonable wager grew up speaking dialect but only speaks to her mother or her brother that way, or maybe a childhood friend.

    About Obama, he does not have much language facility. There was once on Youtube a video of a courtesy visit he made to Indonesia which showed him struggling to utter 40 seconds worth of remarks in the Malay traders' dialect that's used as a lingua franca there. He'd have heard a great deal of it during the four years he lived there, but it made no impression on him.


    Interesting counterpoint on the black demotic was from Carl Rowan forty years back. He thought it was an absolute waste of time and thought black youngsters should be schooled out of it.

  86. @AndrewR
    @Hodag

    While I am not 100% an accelerationist, the mask-off nature of the regime at this point is radicalizing a huge number of right-leaning people. I just don't think there are quality people among our elite class to seize power from the demons who currently dominate the power structure. Lots of people are still willing to follow grifters and conmen of low moral character, like the past occupant of the white house.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    The girlfriend dragged me to the theater to see 2000 Mules last night, and I was surprised to see a sold-out house in deep blue Boston.

    I have to say that the movie was, surprisingly enough, rather compelling. Smoking gun in the house.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Brutusale

    ...? Did you reply to the wrong comment

  87. @Sidewalk Meanderings
    Art Deco writes in Comment #42, "There is a distinction between spoken and
    written Arabic. It's a diglossic language. The same is true of modern Greek."
    When scriptwriters for Arabic and Greek films write their scripts, do they use
    spoken or written forms of Arabic and Greek?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco

    Arabic has a literary form, which is both spoken and written. It also has demotic forms, which are just spoken (and which are often mutually unintelligible). You hear the spoken form of Modern Literary Arabic on something like a radio broadcast.

  88. @Stephen Paul Foster
    @Pat Kittle

    I'm thinking that Obama may be an interesting case study in diglossia. Raised by white people and well-schooled, he mastered standard English. He's good with the teleprompter, but not so much on his own. When he drifted into community organizing he quickly acquired Chicago Ganglandeese. Perhaps that's how he and Michelle communicate when no one else is around.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    When he drifted into community organizing he quickly acquired Chicago Ganglandeese. Perhaps that’s how he and Michelle communicate when no one else is around.

    He spent less than three years working for that Alinskyite outfit in Chicago and he likely wouldn’t have spent much time around gangbangers. See if you can find a video of Obama or Mooch speaking in dialect; I don’t think you can.

    Have a gander at their personal friends like Eric Whittaker and Valerie Jarrett. These people are mulattish, haut bourgeois from birth, sometimes the grandchildren of well-to-do people. Its a reasonable wager they never spoke dialect in any venue at any time in their lives.

    Mooch it’s a reasonable wager grew up speaking dialect but only speaks to her mother or her brother that way, or maybe a childhood friend.

    About Obama, he does not have much language facility. There was once on Youtube a video of a courtesy visit he made to Indonesia which showed him struggling to utter 40 seconds worth of remarks in the Malay traders’ dialect that’s used as a lingua franca there. He’d have heard a great deal of it during the four years he lived there, but it made no impression on him.

    Interesting counterpoint on the black demotic was from Carl Rowan forty years back. He thought it was an absolute waste of time and thought black youngsters should be schooled out of it.

  89. @Steve Sailer
    @jamie b.

    Famously, there is a word for "to throw somebody out a window," defenestrate, but no word for pushing somebody off a cliff or into a swimming pool or countless other actions that occur about as often as defenestration, although the history of Prague seems particularly rich with incidents of defenestration.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @James Speaks, @jamie b.

    I was once thrown out of a window, FWIW. An open, first story window, but still…

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @jamie b.


    I was once thrown out of a window, FWIW. An open, first story window, but still…
     
    In his youth, Soichiro Honda defenestrated a geisha from the second floor. She fell onto something soft, and lived to geish another day.

    You can imagine how many people wish they had something like this on Elon Musk.

  90. This parody was already done about five years ago. A British Indian guy did a series of Youtube videos called “Modern Edukashun” where everyone was “measured” by their Social Justice score. The cute white gal got extra points for claiming to be “bisexual.”

    It was pretty funny, but kind of low hanging fruit even five years ago.

    One you understand what they mean by “white supremacy” it does have an internal non-parody logic. Sort of.

  91. I just attended my daughter’s English Department commencement exercises at Cal Berkeley (3.962 GPA, since you ask).

    Anyway, a hundred-something students actually took part. About ninety percent were female. Ten-twenty percent were Asian — about what one would expect, all things considered. A good forty percent were Hispanic.

    I saw two blacks. Both were quadroons or so; at least one was with what must have been his white adoptive parents.

    You cannot make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. Fact.

  92. @jamie b.
    @James Speaks

    So... what I thought you meant was...


    ...no word for halfway up a tree...
     
    ...but what you actually meant was...

    ...no word for halfway up a tree...
     
    I guess that I just don't know what it means for a word to be "up a tree."

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @James Speaks

    I guess that I just don’t know what it means for a word to be “up a tree.”

    It’s a lot like up a creek, but sideways. And not as wet.

  93. @Reg Cæsar
    @James Speaks


    Either the monkey is up or the monkey is down.

    This monkey is down.
     
    That's catchier than "The Eagle has landed."



    https://media.newyorker.com/photos/59097f168b51cf59fc424366/master/w_1600%2Cc_limit/Afronaut-The-Ottawa-Journal.jpg

    Replies: @James Speaks

    From an acquaintance who was in Africa at the time, they apparently had a large, three-stage bow and arrow setup, and the arrow-nauts (get it?) practiced walking on their hands. Because they would be upside down on the moon.

  94. I suspect that unlike past efforts they won’t try to find better ways to measure g. Instead, they will try to define and measure whatever activities the grievance group is as good at or better than the despised normos. But given the heterogeneity of grievance groups, there would have to be heterogeneous excellences that would inadvertently resemble stereotypes.

    After that spectacle, we’d need another billion to come up with something else.

  95. @Art Deco
    I have a suspicion that the main brain behind this is one Pamela Moss of the teacher training faculty of the University of Michigan.

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/0969594X.2015.1072085

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jedm.12003

    Replies: @Anon

    Yup. Definitely Pamela Moss. Found another way to babble-gab Marxism with \$3-words into passing failing kids.

    This insanity ends with our military defeat and impoverishment eventually if we don’t stop it.

  96. @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    Famously, there is a word for “to throw somebody out a window,” defenestrate
     
    When I was in that castle, an old lady guide/guard saw me looking for that window. She said, "Fenstersturz!" and pointed it out. To be safe, she added the Czech defenestrace, which is closer to the English.

    ...the history of Prague seems particularly rich with incidents of defenestration.
     
    As is Beauvais with cathedral collapses. Evidently some buttresses fly more than others. They didn't bother to finish it after the second incident.

    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a99bb303e2d09af170b9464/5fd5e601-b07f-4bfa-9b10-1aed0f012e3a/beauvais+how+to+spend+and+evening+insta+2.png


    Some cities are just lucky in that regard. Planes crashed into the Empire State Building and 40 Wall Street about a year apart in the 1940s. Lisbon managed to foist its second earthquake onto San Francisco, which is kind of a twin. The gods of geology were easy to fool, I guess.

    Replies: @James Speaks

    Freemasons did not understand forces and resultants. That’s why they relied on memory – to duplicate previous structures that did not fall down.

    Had they understood forces, they could have laid out parabolic arches such that the force line stays withing the kern (middle 1/3) of the arch and transmits the load axially to the foundation.

    Sir Isaac Newton changed all that.

  97. @James Speaks
    Polysyllabic Word Salad
    In Zulu, there is no word for halfway up a tree. Either the monkey is up or the monkey is down.

    This monkey is down.

    Replies: @jamie b., @Reg Cæsar, @Ghjjhgg

    A pox on the monkey!

  98. @Art Deco
    @Pat Kittle

    Eventually it became obvious these Negro extortionists memorize just enough academic jargon to mau-mau academic flak-catchers. Off-script they revert to standard Ebonics.

    Ordinary blacks switch back and forth between standard English and dialect depending on who they're talking to and the precise venue, which is what you'd know if you were ever in a workplace with a critical mass of blacks. Dialect is used for informal intramural communication, which is why it has no literary form. Other languages have a distinction between the formal and the demotic. (Arabic and Modern Greek to name two).

    Replies: @Pat Kittle, @SunBakedSuburb, @Ghjjhgg

    Whites use formal/businesslike/academic language in some situations, and less formal speech at home or among friends. All peoples do this, but only blacks call it “code switching”, and think it makes them special, clever, and nobly victimized.

    I reckon I have about five levels of speech, and maybe three accents, and I don’t think this is unusual. Think of when you say “going to”, “goin’ to”, “goin’ ta”, and “gonna”, “have to”, “hafta”, and “gotta”.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Ghjjhgg

    but only blacks call it “code switching”,

    No, rank-and-file blacks do not call it 'code switching'. That is academic jargon.

    The black demotic has some structural differences from standard English ('aspect-based' as opposed to 'tense-based'), and not just differences in diction.

  99. @jamie b.
    @Steve Sailer

    I was once thrown out of a window, FWIW. An open, first story window, but still...

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I was once thrown out of a window, FWIW. An open, first story window, but still…

    In his youth, Soichiro Honda defenestrated a geisha from the second floor. She fell onto something soft, and lived to geish another day.

    You can imagine how many people wish they had something like this on Elon Musk.

  100. @Achmed E. Newman
    The whole "Education" field is bullshit, so you would expect some of this anyway, but this summary is extra filled with long words in long sentences designed to lose people. That's a black thing - because it works on them, these people figure readers will stop reading and figure the writers are smart people, because of all the big words and long sentences.

    It's a good living, I guess ...

    Replies: @Joe862, @Legba

    If you say it in a rhyme, they will eat out of your hand. It’s the top rhetorical thing you can do and short-circuits the Dindu brain

  101. @Alden
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Here we go again. Just like with the charges against Epstein, the MEN OF UNZ will jump in to defend sex with girls under 16.

    And if a girl or woman wasn’t bruised battered and at least 5 small or 1 large bones broken while resisting, it wasn’t rape but con sexual sex.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Bill Jones

    “Just like with the charges against Epstein, the MEN OF UNZ will jump in to defend sex with girls under 16.”

    I think the two contexts are very different. Epstein presented as a millionaire with a private island and contacts at the highest level in politics, entertainment, business, science.

    These guys will be taxi drivers, small storekeepers and kebab shop owners. The modus operandi will be very different. Remember also that in the UK, you can’t lock up your underage teenage daughters – and if you complain to the police that Asian guys are abusing/****ing them you’ll be warned about your racism. That’s what happened to parents in Oxford.

    This is the sort of thing, from a deleted blog by a serving police officer. But it’s true that for every Melissa there’s a Cara.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20090603114126/http://nightjack.wordpress.com:80/2008/03/23/only-24-hours-to-crack-the-case-part-2/

    Four days after the event, “Melissa” (14yrs) is admitted to A&E with an overdose. It is one of those real I want to end it all overdoses. The sort involving tubes and beeps and lights and readouts. We only find out about it when she recovers. She speaks to Mum, and alleges that her boyfriend got her very drunk, took her to a seaside hotel and raped her whilst she was passed out.

    So on day six, the Police are called. Day seven Melissa is sensitively and appropriately interviewed to find out what happened to her. She is not sure of her boyfriends’ name, it might be Bilal (we will learn that this is not the truth) . She is not sure what sort of car he has, just that is “well wicked” and customised. She thinks he is 21 (we will learn in the end that he is well over 30). She does know that she went with her friend “Cara” and her boyfriend Qasim. Melissa thinks hearts and romance. Bilal thinks just another goray.

    Mum thought she was sleeping over with Cara, visa versa obviously. Into the car, one stop to get a bottle of vodka and a bottle of gin. Glug glug glug in the back of the car. Next stop the rent-by-the- hour Bedbug Towers hotel in a convenient seaside town. Melissa wakes in a strange bed to the inevitable and thoroughly planned molestation.

    Some 8 days after the event and its time for the detectives to get involved. OK one lucky lucky lucky (and I say again lucky) break. All of Melissa’s laundry from the night is still lying mid way up the heap on her bedroom floor. We have forensics maybe. A pair of us are despatched to find Cara. Cue two hours tramping the streets of a run down estate. We do find her in the end via a grandparent. With distressing inevitability Cara is now enjoying the dubious benefits of “Bilal’s” attentions. She is 17 but she looks a lot lot younger. That’s probably why Bilal gives her a second glance. Cue three hours of talking, cajoling and persuading Cara to stand up for her mate. The tipping point comes when she MMS’s a picture of Bilal to my phone. She tells it like it was, sort of. Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas and Cara is never going to say that she knew what the plans for Melissa were. She can also give us an address for Bilal. It is not the address where Bilal’s wife and three children live. The jackpot is when we drive Cara to the seaside ourselves and against the run of play she picks a hotel and she gets it right. Twelve pages of statement follow, from which she will later try and recant when Bilal declares his love to her again.

    Further enquiries at the hotel confirm Bilal’s presence on the night with a girl who was sick outside and again in the lobby. The Lithuanian night porter remembers Melissa being carried upstairs by Bilal, Qasim and Cara. Disturbingly, the staff recall having to put the mirror door from the wardrobe back on the next morning.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @YetAnotherAnon

    So at one point she may have attempted to hide.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  102. @Malcolm X-Lax
    Off topic but apropos of the post about the likelihood of mom's boyfriend (in this case step father) and the deaths of small children. You might be able to guess why this won't get national media attention. Imagine that's your son, and your stupid ex picks this guy to become his new step daddy.

    https://www.wlox.com/2022/05/19/new-details-capital-murder-child-abuse-case/

    Replies: @bomag, @interesting

    The couple should just say they aborted the baby. Problem solved.

    It was after all just a collection of cells that wasn’t viable outside the womb without constant parental care. So if viability is the argument then abortion up until about 6-7 is legal.

  103. @Brutusale
    @AndrewR

    The girlfriend dragged me to the theater to see 2000 Mules last night, and I was surprised to see a sold-out house in deep blue Boston.

    I have to say that the movie was, surprisingly enough, rather compelling. Smoking gun in the house.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    …? Did you reply to the wrong comment

  104. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Alden

    "Just like with the charges against Epstein, the MEN OF UNZ will jump in to defend sex with girls under 16."

    I think the two contexts are very different. Epstein presented as a millionaire with a private island and contacts at the highest level in politics, entertainment, business, science.

    These guys will be taxi drivers, small storekeepers and kebab shop owners. The modus operandi will be very different. Remember also that in the UK, you can't lock up your underage teenage daughters - and if you complain to the police that Asian guys are abusing/****ing them you'll be warned about your racism. That's what happened to parents in Oxford.

    This is the sort of thing, from a deleted blog by a serving police officer. But it's true that for every Melissa there's a Cara.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20090603114126/http://nightjack.wordpress.com:80/2008/03/23/only-24-hours-to-crack-the-case-part-2/


    Four days after the event, “Melissa” (14yrs) is admitted to A&E with an overdose. It is one of those real I want to end it all overdoses. The sort involving tubes and beeps and lights and readouts. We only find out about it when she recovers. She speaks to Mum, and alleges that her boyfriend got her very drunk, took her to a seaside hotel and raped her whilst she was passed out.

    So on day six, the Police are called. Day seven Melissa is sensitively and appropriately interviewed to find out what happened to her. She is not sure of her boyfriends’ name, it might be Bilal (we will learn that this is not the truth) . She is not sure what sort of car he has, just that is “well wicked” and customised. She thinks he is 21 (we will learn in the end that he is well over 30). She does know that she went with her friend “Cara” and her boyfriend Qasim. Melissa thinks hearts and romance. Bilal thinks just another goray.

    Mum thought she was sleeping over with Cara, visa versa obviously. Into the car, one stop to get a bottle of vodka and a bottle of gin. Glug glug glug in the back of the car. Next stop the rent-by-the- hour Bedbug Towers hotel in a convenient seaside town. Melissa wakes in a strange bed to the inevitable and thoroughly planned molestation.

    Some 8 days after the event and its time for the detectives to get involved. OK one lucky lucky lucky (and I say again lucky) break. All of Melissa’s laundry from the night is still lying mid way up the heap on her bedroom floor. We have forensics maybe. A pair of us are despatched to find Cara. Cue two hours tramping the streets of a run down estate. We do find her in the end via a grandparent. With distressing inevitability Cara is now enjoying the dubious benefits of “Bilal’s” attentions. She is 17 but she looks a lot lot younger. That’s probably why Bilal gives her a second glance. Cue three hours of talking, cajoling and persuading Cara to stand up for her mate. The tipping point comes when she MMS’s a picture of Bilal to my phone. She tells it like it was, sort of. Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas and Cara is never going to say that she knew what the plans for Melissa were. She can also give us an address for Bilal. It is not the address where Bilal’s wife and three children live. The jackpot is when we drive Cara to the seaside ourselves and against the run of play she picks a hotel and she gets it right. Twelve pages of statement follow, from which she will later try and recant when Bilal declares his love to her again.

    Further enquiries at the hotel confirm Bilal’s presence on the night with a girl who was sick outside and again in the lobby. The Lithuanian night porter remembers Melissa being carried upstairs by Bilal, Qasim and Cara. Disturbingly, the staff recall having to put the mirror door from the wardrobe back on the next morning.
     

    Replies: @J.Ross

    So at one point she may have attempted to hide.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @J.Ross

    No, he took the mirror door off so that he could watch and video himself raping her while she was unconscious.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  105. @Alden
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Here we go again. Just like with the charges against Epstein, the MEN OF UNZ will jump in to defend sex with girls under 16.

    And if a girl or woman wasn’t bruised battered and at least 5 small or 1 large bones broken while resisting, it wasn’t rape but con sexual sex.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Bill Jones

    Can you cite instances of this happening on UNZ?

  106. @Ghjjhgg
    @Art Deco

    Whites use formal/businesslike/academic language in some situations, and less formal speech at home or among friends. All peoples do this, but only blacks call it “code switching”, and think it makes them special, clever, and nobly victimized.

    I reckon I have about five levels of speech, and maybe three accents, and I don’t think this is unusual. Think of when you say “going to”, “goin’ to”, “goin’ ta”, and “gonna”, “have to”, “hafta”, and “gotta”.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    but only blacks call it “code switching”,

    No, rank-and-file blacks do not call it ‘code switching’. That is academic jargon.

    The black demotic has some structural differences from standard English (‘aspect-based’ as opposed to ‘tense-based’), and not just differences in diction.

  107. @J.Ross
    @YetAnotherAnon

    So at one point she may have attempted to hide.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    No, he took the mirror door off so that he could watch and video himself raping her while she was unconscious.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I just want Nibiru to wash away the rain.

  108. @YetAnotherAnon
    @J.Ross

    No, he took the mirror door off so that he could watch and video himself raping her while she was unconscious.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I just want Nibiru to wash away the rain.

  109. @Observator
    I do so love wokespeak. It reminds me of nerdly high school term papers, carefully crafted to show off how very clever the authors imagine they are, with ten dollar words aplenty where fifty cent ones would convey meaning more clearly. Yet the slavish repetition of the canons of that weird and wonderful belief system, with its obligatory meaningless generalizations, display quite the opposite of accurate observation, let alone of great intelligence. The woke phenomenon strikes me as the latest cynical scheme of the one percenters to neuter the powerfully revolutionary but naïve enthusiasm of youth into something that cannot threaten the hold on power they’ve stolen from the body politic at large.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Sollipsist

    If you were trying to illustrate the problem satirically, you ultimately failed by actually using correct words and making sense 😀

  110. @Rob
    When an infection, a cold, say, causes an immune response that kills it off as a part of the virus’ infectious cycle, that infection is said to be “self-limiting.” This is in contrast to infections that you don’t necessarily clear, such as hepatitis or HIV.

    It seems to me that progressive institutions, which is pretty much everything, get rid of testing and assessment — and every assessment has to go, because blacks do poorly on anything cognitively loaded — the organization is greatly reducing its efficacy. I forget which commenter applied the O-ring theory of development/economics to single businesses, ah it was Simple Song. Anything an entity (business, charity, governmental department) does consists of some steps in sequence. If there are 5 steps and each one is done with 100% success, then the probability of doing the thing is 1. If each step is done with 97% success, then (0.97)**5 = 85% of the multi-step process working. A ten-step process has a 47% success rate.

    Realistically, a black person put in a role with no screening allowed will probably do the job much less well than someone chosen on merit. Is 0.7 a realistic number? Then that 5 step process only succeeds 17% of the time. A ten-step process succeeds 13 times out of 100,000 attempts.

    When Red Jews went into a field or company to kill and wear its skin, like Dick Lewontin and Stephen Jay Gould in evolutionary biology, they were clever enough that people still trusted the field, even though they were giving output that was obviously wrong alongside espousing subjective preferences as objective foundations of the field.

    Blacks cannot do that. When an organization goes black, it will ruin its credibility within a year, perhaps two. That California math curriculum advisory group? I don’t care what its name actually was. The one that said all children have equal aptitude for math, so they advised eliminating advanced math in public high schools. I don’t know if that group was largely black, but the same principle applies. Perhaps the women running the group were AWFLs, they still had a low chance of doing each step successfully.

    In addition, putting (relatively) dumb blacks in charge is difficult to reverse. The black CEO (wow, does he look good in a suit) cannot start proper evaluation of new hires or people promoted, because changing the evaluation methods makes his rise look illegitimate. If there’s a board of directors, they probably don’t want to do a thorough housecleaning. The publicity would be terrible, and the discrimination lawsuits expensive.

    Take Nature, the family of scientific journals that decided it was going to push blacks into high positions, and ban researchers from proposing that innate racial/ethnic/population differences cause a difference in any outcome. Why are black people black? You cannot propose an innate, genetic cause, so some environmental cause must be found. Drinking grape soda? Having black parents and trying to emulate their skin color? ‘Tis a puzzle... They are also going to publish black (perhaps BIPOC) researchers with lower-quality, less important, or interesting work than from normal scientists. This was all announced during FloydFest, so perhaps they sobered up.

    What would be the outcome of Nature dumbing down? They would lower their prestige. Much like employers realizing that Dartmouth blacks are dumber than the real students, researchers would think, “yeah, that was published in Nature, but it was just a black, so who cares?” Like construction contractors, research groups would just get the lab’s black woman to front all their papers.

    The only danger of institution blackening is in government and tax-eater institutions. Government, because even though you know the school board is a bunch of stupid people, they still set policy for the local school. Everything else, the marketplace of ideas or economics will kill the organization.

    Replies: @Rob

    Got my math wrong. 0.7**10 = .028. So, a three percent chance of success. I took (0.7**5)**5 when I should have done (0.7**5)**2.

    Clearly, I am pretty low on the O-ring scale, because I failed a two-step process.

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