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iSteve commenter Paleo Retiree says:

I think that 1) girls tend to be happier when they’re raised into roles and activities that have traditionally given women a lot of pleasure and satisfaction (food! style! social activities! dance!); and that 2) sports are a metaphor for combat, which has traditionally been a male domain. Why we’re pushing our girls into combat-derived activities I have no idea. (Actually I do, but I’ll keep it to myself.)

Pushing our girls into sports has played a role in the creation of a couple of generations of young American women who are completely graceless and out of tune with their feminine natures. No matter how fit they are, or what good team players they’ve become, or how sweet or amusing individuals may be, today’s American girls and young women are generally amazingly clumpy, grace-free and charm-free creatures. They judge themselves and each other by how aggressive and will-driven they are, they have zero clue what it is to be creatures of mystery, style and allure, and they’ve got no idea how to run social circles or maintain kitchens and households. On the other hand, high-fiving each other, being pushy corporate drones, drinking themselves shitfaced and running marathons … They’re really good at all that.

And we wonder why so many of them get fat, take anti-depressants, and fail to reproduce. We’re actively discouraging our girls from realizing themselves as women. Awesome cultural achievement, America.

Allowances made for the handful of girls who genuinely do have athletic natures, of course.

Interesting. I don’t actually know much about young women these days, so I personally don’t have an opinion.

Paleo’s pro-femininity is related to his Francophilia. One of the great advances of Western Civilization was France’s discovery about a millennium ago of vive la différence. From an earlier incarnation of Paleo:

“The key to understanding the French, IMHO, is understanding how rewarding the French find “Being French” to be. Hard though it is for an American to believe, the French wake up in the morning and look forward to a full day’s-worth of Being French. They go through the day Being French with great relish. They re-charge at night so that they can spend the following day Being French.”

 
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  1. Trust me, he’s 100% correct, unfortunately.

    I live in a world of young people 30-40 years younger than me. (The business I’m in). Finding a feminine, charming, graceful young woman who enjoys being a woman is fairly rare. In Europe, much less so.

    American young people have been poisoned by our culture.

    • Replies: @Jake
    "American young people have been poisoned by our culture."

    Absolutely true. And the key is that it is 'our' culture in the sense that it is WASP culture playing out, going to its logical ends. All whites eventually assimilated to Yank WASP culture. And we have been poisoned.

    To make that point in keeping with the specific subject: the first Feminist conference was not a Jewish affair. The Seneca Falls Convention was held in Seneca Falls, NY in 1848. 100% of the attendees were Yankee WASPs. The movement had grown directly out of Abolitionism (proving from the start that BROs come before HOs in reformer/progressive/liberal WASPism). The leaders were all aware of, and stridently proud of, being spiritual and political and cultural heirs of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism in its larger sense of all groups that opposed monarchy, landed aristocracy, pre-Reformation traditions of any kind, and anything to do with 'church' that could be seen as some kind of leftover from Catholicism. They were the perfect mix of Anglo-Saxon Puritan in the specific sense with Quaker.

    And their fruits long term are poison.
    , @Anonymous
    What about horse chicks ? They are often lesbians though.

    Im ambivalent about this. exercise promotes good health.

    I liked and respected tomboy chicks as a kid.
    , @Corvinus
    "Interesting. I don’t actually know much about young women these days, so I personally don’t have an opinion."

    Mr. Sailer, of course you have an opinion. You NOTICE everything! Thanks for being disingenuous.

    "Finding a feminine, charming, graceful young woman who enjoys being a woman is fairly rare."

    Martel, they are EVERYWHERE!

    , @Anonymous

    I live in a world of young people 30-40 years younger than me. (The business I’m in). Finding a feminine, charming, graceful young woman who enjoys being a woman is fairly rare. In Europe, much less so.
     
    The commenter prosa123, at comment #6, disagrees with you.
  2. And this is why God created eastern Europe.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    Have you actually been to Eastern Europe? There tend to be a lot of romantic notions about Eastern Europe floating around the blogosphere. I know a lot of American men who have been burned very badly by relationships with women from Slavic countries. Maybe American men are no longer capable of seeing beyond the charm and seduction and have become easy marks for women who are actually a lot smarter and more ambitious than they are.
  3. Ah, but I think you do, Steve….

  4. I don’t actually know much about young women these days, so I personally don’t have an opinion.

    You should’ve had a daughter.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    This. Or several.

    A capacity for energetic competitive sport, like any other inborn trait, is not equally distributed.

    And one of the big errors constantly made is to think that the only kind of physical activity daughters can do MUST BE team sports.

    There are lots of us with daughters, nieces, friends' kids, etc., who are into orienteering, sailing, backpacking, crew, climbing, hunting, fishing, shooting sports, x-c ski, speed skating, equestrian activities, etc. My guess is that they are probably mostly of N/NW European stock. Which is why they de facto aren't important of course. And racist.

    The prominence of (((televised))) ((( professional team sports))) and all the (((scholarship etc. academic))) activity that accompanies that has created a (((very particular))) notion of what female athletes are out of that (((media))) and (((academic))) culture.

    That has been cobbled onto a notion that all girls should be playing team sports, because after all where will the phys ed majors get jobs otherwise?

    There are other ways for women to be healthy and fit, and no white father worth his salt should settle for teaching his daughters less. Some gals turn to team sports because they are urbanites and their only playing fields are in stadiums. Gals raised on field don't need that (and if my experience is any indication, don't particularly like it either). Caddie Woodlawn versus Little Women.

    When we start talking about the post-Hart-Celler type of females, they tend to come from deep urban backgrounds, so their physical types tend to be less robust and their personalities less active and curious.

    I was raised, and so was the love of my life, with the idea that team sports is something you maybe do in the family, or the neighborhood...but that its inflation into the national secular religion accompanied the rise of all sorts of population and cultural weaknesses. For instance, where one person has to lean on 13 others for accomplishment, and only play a few minutes out of an hour.

    By contrast, being roped up and crossing a scree field, or resetting sail to accommodate a sudden tricksy wind, is something you do alone. Or if you're doing it with others, you're all on point, not competing for a score, but for survival.

    THAT is what our daughters should be doing, if so inclined, and if not, there's always doll babies.

    My girls preferred wildlife rehabbing though. Being around other kids in the family, or civic organization, or congregation...they didn't have to play Pretend on that score.

    So if you're inclined to raise your daughters to be nervy urbanites locked in boxes, have at it. It's not the way of my people.

  5. It hasn’t gone well. Millennial women have toxic personalities, but at least they’re easy.

  6. I don’t know …. thanks to both of my jobs I have more contact with young women than do most non-young men, and all in all they’re decent people. Some nicer than others, but that’s to be expected. Certainly no cause to despair for the future. At least among the ones I know there are no obvious SJW’s and none of them try to out-masculine men.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    prosa123 wrote:

    I don’t know …. thanks to both of my jobs I have more contact with young women than do most non-young men, and all in all they’re decent people. Some nicer than others, but that’s to be expected. Certainly no cause to despair for the future.
     
    I think you may be dealing with different age cohorts than are being discussed here.

    What I'm hearing from my own kids, who are in college, and other parents is that the young women in college and the final years of high-school are very, very messed up (and I grew up in the '60s, when young people already seemed pretty messed up).

    Something has gone really wrong: the kids have more toys and more money and the schools are much easier, especially college, but the kids are miserable -- I just heard about another youth suicide from a friend this afternoon.

    Of course, maybe the moral is that lots of material belongings and an easy, non-challenging life is not the road to happiness. Indeed, lots of rather thoughtful people seem to have been making that point for a very long time.

    And, maybe not everyone belongs in college, or even high school.
    , @AnotherDad

    I don’t know …. thanks to both of my jobs I have more contact with young women than do most non-young men, and all in all they’re decent people. Some nicer than others, but that’s to be expected. Certainly no cause to despair for the future. At least among the ones I know there are no obvious SJW’s and none of them try to out-masculine men.
     
    Prosa, i don't know your situation.

    I'll say with a bunch of the young women i know best--my daughters' various friends, roomates, etc.--one can easily do a sort of ho-hum "decent people". And indeed they aren't "obvious SJWs". But if you actually talk to them, push 'em very much, you find that their heads are indeed full of mush.

    While mostly they are just sort of floating along, most have absorbed the basic reigning minoritarian narrative of the world and their own place in it. And a few are deeply committed to it and want to "change the world"--i.e. they are SJWs, just not full time open scolds.

    Very few/none will actually be "based" with any sort of logical, empirically based world view--schools don't teach that!--and/or a deep committment to being a very traditional wife and mother dedicated to extending Western Christian civilizaton into the future with their children.

    "Floating along" is really how you'd describe most of them. Our "elites" garbage culture of critique has done its work. Todays girls--however girlish in their fundamental biology--are unmoored and just floating in the stream.
  7. From my personal experience with high school moms, women push their girls into sports because it 1) forces them to focus on passing their classes, otherwise you’re off the team, 2) keeps them away from boys, because they’re just too busy. Women’s sports in high school are absolutely crazy now, overboard, relentlessly active. That’s just the way the moms like their girls. Also, these older feminist women think that men constantly use sports metaphors, and without sports, their girls would not know the vocabulary of power.

    But then, when they go to college, and have no more sports, they’ve become habituated to about 3,000 calories per week more food than they need. And now there’s no one to tell them to go to practice, exercise, work out, etc.

    Look up “freshman 15” – ha, all I had to type into google was “freshman ” and I got it. I see these girls shambling around campus all the time.

    Of course Paleo Retiree is right. Psychologist Jordan Peterson spent years doing therapy work with smart career women, and he says that getting married and having babies is all they can think about. But they never learned the skills as girls.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    Participation in girls sports isn’t that high- maybe a 1/4 of high schoolers. Similar rate for boys, although middle class white girls probably participate at higher rates than middle class white boys. It’s true there is the freshman 15, but girls (and boys, minus the ones who take steroids/protein and mess up their metabolisms) who participate in sports or really any high intensity activity (dance, hiking or fitness classes suffice too) do tend to be thinner and healthier for life than those who aren’t in involved in such activities. Freshman 15 on a girl who is already thin/fit looks better than on someone who already has the shape of a 30 year old woman at 18. And take a glance at high schoolers who don’t do sports- unless they are nerds or on drugs they tend to be pretty thick.

    I honestly don’t know a single female from my various high school sports teams who is currently overweight or unhappy, a decade later. But among my peers who didn’t play sports, I’d say at least half are grossly overweight, and as a result most of that group don’t seem that happy. It’s harder for overweight women to find partners too so a lot of them are alone.

    I don’t think a lot of y’all who are older (because boomers were not fat as young people) or live on the West or East Coast grasp how bad the obesity epidemic is in flyover country. It’s partially the food, it’s partially because of car culture. I’m always harping on it because I see it as a very obvious sign of the decline of our nation.

    My point is there are deeper roots than sports as to why modern American women are “graceless.” Look into hormonal birth control or tv/media more. Perhaps also look to young men and video games too...they definitely aren’t very suave.

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Look up “freshman 15” – ha, all I had to type into google was “freshman ” and I got it. I see these girls shambling around campus all the time.
     
    The residential University warehousing thousands of 18-22 year olds is a wholly unnatural experience.

    I'm convinced that a supply of constantly available high carb, high fat, high sugar foods is part of the program to mollify them and keep them under control.

    Of course Paleo Retiree is right. Psychologist Jordan Peterson spent years doing therapy work with smart career women, and he says that getting married and having babies is all they can think about. But they never learned the skills as girls.
     
    The modern workplace is atomizing and alienating in ways that we haven't ever experienced before. This is psychologically taxing to humans, of course including women. But it is probably significantly more taxing for women insofar as they require more social interaction in a given day than do men.

    The proportion of these women on psychotropic medications to compensate for the psychological distress of their daily existence is staggering.

    The arrangement of the modern world is making us sick and depressed, and the only thing on offer is more of the same via competition from automation and immigrant labor up and down the pay scale.

    These women you're speaking about aren't just longing for a husband and child, although this is a large part of it. They're longing for a social existence as part of their daily lives.
    , @Alden
    Freshman 15 has been around at least 160 years ever since girls started going to college. It’s due to first the starchy carbs carbs carbs food in the cafeterias and second, 3 generous meals a day.

    Unless they’re in boarding school, teens like their parents don’t have time for a nice breakfast most days. Get to college, take the elevator to the cafeteria, first class at 10, there’s plenty of time for all the pancakes and muffins.

    Back in the olden days, cafeteria food was served by servers and they were under orders to control the portions. Now it’s often buffet style and they can load up as much as they want.

    Freshman 15 is 16o years old.
  8. We’re actively discouraging our girls from realizing themselves as women. Awesome cultural achievement, America.

    Yeah, this.

    I have 4 younger female cousins in their 20s to mid 30s.

    Not one is feminine or alluring. A few sure can swear though.

    One got in trouble with drugs. Her parents bailed her out with an expensive rehab. Another is into cosplay and claims she’s a lesbian. A third dropped out of uni, lives with her boyfriend. Her boyfriend is a homeowner and has his act together with a good career, but the jury is out whether he’ll wife her up or discard her later for a younger model.

    The last one got married at 35. She leaves her daughter with her mother for daycare. A worker bee who has been brainwashed that her value as a woman is derived from cubicle work to make money for a faceless corporation.

    My wife and I discussed sending our daughters to finishing school when they’re older. Not only is it right, but I figure our daughters training in the feminine arts gives them a big leg up on the competition to marry a good man.

    The challenge I haven’t figured out yet is how to shield them from the corrupting dreck that is mainstream culture in America today.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Her boyfriend is a homeowner and has his act together with a good career, but the jury is out whether he’ll wife her up or discard her later for a younger model.
     
    What is his career?
    , @Liberty Mike
    Above all, follow Frey and Henley's advice:

    The queen of hearts is always your best bet.

    Said otherwise, if feminine charms are Anne Baxter's Nefretiri, bye-bye bitch. Better to have Yvonne De Carlo's Sephora.
  9. anon[236] • Disclaimer says:

    Perhaps expanding the list to art, music, foreign languages, and aesthetic design (architecture, interior design) might go a long way to restoring women as something other than junior men. The Japanese school system does something like this; kids there focus much more on art and learning to play an instrument than they do in the United States, generally. Even though the Japanese TFR is very low, the women there are also traditional and genteel. This contrasts to what I’ve seen in the US recently where women seem to be going mad (check out critic reviews on RT for the latest Shaft movie – “Toxic Masculinity, reee”).

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
    Having had both boys and girls it is obvious that girls really don't have a lot of natural affinity towards sports, but as they tend to conform more to social expectations (compared to boys) they can be pushed that way fairly easily if you want to. But why would you want to, if they don't show much interest? What's wrong with being a girl and liking girly things? It seems like there is a lot of self-loathing in American women, the rotten core of feminism is not that they hate men, it is that they hate women. Feminism disdains the feminine! I can't understand why you would denigrate motherhood, literally the most important thing for the species, for the entire biosphere actually, and elevate girls playing sportsball. Just don't get it.

    Also, protip from an old man, if you want to push your girl into something traditionally male in order to make it easier for her to get into college/get scholarship money, think STEM, not sports. Trust me on this one.

  10. Earth to Paleo Retiree…Earth to Paleo Retiree.

    The Donna Reed Show is on MeTV, and in your dreams. Unfortunately, it’s 2019 not 1959. Would that it were not so.

    Meanwhile, sports are one way for fathers to ensure that their daughters don’t slut it up, as they might otherwise swoon over salacious Arianna Grande lyrics, or long to be Taylor Swift with her endless parade of cute boys who have “sleep overs.”

    Sports can be a useful distraction in today’s hypersexualized culture.

    I will say that in my time as my boys were playing, I watched some girls soccer. The squealing of the girls as they played was highly annoying.

  11. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    “Fox, FS1 ratings show that women’s fights are exceptionally popular with UFC fans”

    https://sports.yahoo.com/news/fox-fs1-ratings-show-that-womens-fights-are-exceptionally-popular-with-ufc-fans-183134436.html

    This was the big knockout from a couple weeks ago:

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    This is the second time someone posted that clip, which is made completely pointless by the music. The shocking thing about that knockout was the sound of it - like a baseball bat connecting with a fastball.
    , @Clifford Brown
    I get an adrenaline rush in a male knockout, but I feel disgust at the sight of the female equivalent. I can't watch it.
    , @El Dato
    Instead of "Girls and Panzer" you get "Girls ARE Panzer"
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    Bullet Valentina is a pretty kick ass chick.

    Literally!
    , @Romanian
    Reminds me of the first and only time I saw a muay thai fight. It was in Thailand (Koh Samui, which is an island) and, after a number of different fights between men, the last one was between women. Didn't sit so well with me to see them pummeling each other, but I got over it quickly when I realized any one of those girls could probably put me down through sheer training. The winner was a very aggressive Aussie chick, who beat the snot out of a Thai girl. That trip held numerous firsts for me - first recognizable ladyboys seen, first gay tour guide who insisted I call him Jessica and first muay thai fight.
    , @Jim Christian
    I hear another sound, the sound of Howard Cosell. I hear, "Down Goes Frazier!"

    https://youtu.be/JZEIMQ42-oU
    , @AnotherDad

    “Fox, FS1 ratings show that women’s fights are exceptionally popular with UFC fans”
     
    Just another sign of decline.

    Women fighting--serious knock your ass out fighting--is an unnatural act.

    Most "sporting" male fighting is highly unnatural in specific character, but it is echo of a very real--one of the most real--human activities, male combat and warfare.

    But women are essentially irrelevant as combatants. After male combat settles the issue, the losers' women are easily dealth with by the winners, killed or (usually) enslaved and enjoyed. Women are prizes--along with territory--of warfare, not real combatants.

    Pushing up freakish women, doing deeply unnatural things for women is just another angle of attack upon a well ordered healthy civilization.
  12. One of our fellow white women helpfully explains why Chernobyl is too white too be the best TV show of all time:

    https://www.theringer.com/tv/2019/6/12/18661850/imdb-rating-system-problems-chernobyl

    Don’t bother with her Twitter – it’s so tarded you’ll feel your IQ dropping by the second.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    The irony of course being that Chernobyl is marred by casting Emily Watson as a female super scientist who, as Masha Gessen puts it (yes, Steve's favorite Masha Gessen), "appears to embody every possible Hollywood fantasy." In other words, HBO managed to turn the Chernobyl disaster into a female wish-fulfillment story. And the Ringer still criticizing it for being too white. Ok. Can't win I guess.
  13. Studies have shown that women have become more and more unhappy in lockstep with the feminist cultural takeover.

    https://www.nber.org/papers/w14969

    Abstract:

    By many objective measures the lives of women in the United States have improved over the past 35 years, yet we show that measures of subjective well-being indicate that women’s happiness has declined both absolutely and relative to men. The paradox of women’s declining relative well-being is found across various datasets, measures of subjective well-being, and is pervasive across demographic groups and industrialized countries. Relative declines in female happiness have eroded a gender gap in happiness in which women in the 1970s typically reported higher subjective well-being than did men. These declines have continued and a new gender gap is emerging — one with higher subjective well-being for men.

    It’s a real head-scratcher.

    How many women do you know that are taking anti-depressants? I know several who have been on them for years despite their “liberated” lifestyles.

    The happiest women I know are those whose husband is the main breadwinner while she takes care of her family. Those who can’t afford not to work bitch about it.

    There is no doubt in my mind that feminism has been a disaster for women. They’re unhappier, but they don’t know why. So their answer is “not enough feminism!”

    Muslims will restore the natural balance. Paternalism is what women crave.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    It's rather quite simple. Girls and women are propagandized with, "Yes, they can have it all," by the culture. And no, men (or women) cannot disagree/debate/question/critique the propaganda. It's deemed a cultural "given," a feature of the world inhabited.

    The propaganda says that women can be liberated from any and all constraints and limitations that the society (might have) previously imposed. This is a known falsehood, as all choices come with trade-offs, direct and indirect, seen and unseen, impulse control/deferred gratification (or lack thereof), of the moment or in the future, e.g., principally work, marriage/spouse, pregnancy/children/motherhood.

    An untruth, bought into, without a "do-over" due to a ticking body clock will result in unhappiness.
  14. Anonymous[722] • Disclaimer says:

    Why we’re pushing our girls into combat-derived activities I have no idea. (Actually I do, but I’ll keep it to myself.)

    Do tell.

    And we wonder why so many of them get fat, take anti-depressants, and fail to reproduce. We’re actively discouraging our girls from realizing themselves as women. Awesome cultural achievement, America.

    This is why Steve and so many commenters here are foolish to oppose trans athletes playing in “women’s” sports. We should in fact go further and end sexual segregation in the field of sports. Break the gender line!

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Not everything in life is a black and white reductio ad absurdum. The layman's term for the psychopathology you implicitly endorse is "splitting."

    Some of us just want to have nice things again, like girls being able to play games with other girls and all of them still be girls, in and off the field (track, court...).

    https://youtu.be/aBpMD75NMpo
  15. Millennial Woes a couple years back uploaded a video about how men need self-confidence to amount to something in life, whereas women can flourish without any self-confidence whatsoever. Our elites want to force self-confidence in girls any way because they want young women to compete with men in areas where men have natural advantages. This has the effect of demoralizing at least some men.

    Unfortunately that video seems to have disappeared from YouTube.

  16. On the other hand, high-fiving each other, being pushy corporate drones, drinking themselves shitfaced and running marathons … They’re really good at all that.

    This brings to mind two different types of 30-ish corporate sales women I came across in the aughts. I engaged in some small talk with an attractive white woman at a conference in Northern California at which we were both giving presentations. She seemed pleasant enough. When it came time for her to present, her voice dropped an octave and she sounded like a field hockey coach exhorting her charges.

    The other woman was an Indian American with a Baywatch body who was very feminine – more of a hugger than hand shaker. She seemed to do quite well.

    Both of these women sold to mostly male customers. I don’t know how well the first one did, but femininity can be an advantage in doing business with men. So why have young women apparently retreated from it?

    One reason might be that they were steered that way by older women who prefer less competition, or resent men. Another reason might be that this is an urban reaction to diversity, specifically, men from more aggressive courting cultures.

  17. This all started long before the Left started pushing girls to get into sports.

    People grow up to value what they are told repeatedly (over and over and over again) to value. Brainwashing works, for the most part. The only major institution that used to teach people to value parenthood was the church, and that institution is shrinking. All of the others – entertainment, government-run indoctrination camps (aka public schools) – teach children that parenthood is unimportant and a drag.

    If you want girls (and boys, for that matter) to grow up thinking that parenthood is vital and fun and important then you have to tell them that over and over and over again from Day 1 to Day 10,001. There’s a reason the Left doesn’t like the fact that little girls like to play with dolls.

    You have to override the current dominant culture. You have to take back control of the culture.

    • Replies: @Anon7
    In the early days of the Russian revolution, the Zhenotdel (Женотдел), the women’s department (женское отделение) of the Communist party was formed. The intention was to liberate women by destroying their old roles in the family, a bourgeois and therefore corrupt institution. One of their first reforms was the provision of abortion on demand for the first time in any country. De-veiling was carried out in Muslim Central Asia. Women who cared for their own children were declared selfish; much better for the village to care for the child.

    The results were catastrophic. In the Russian capital of Petrograd, ninety percent of women were on state assistance. In Muslim areas, women who divorced were murdered or forced into prostitution. It got so bad that Stalin finally disbanded the Zhenotdel in 1930, declaring it a success.

  18. @Anonymous
    "Fox, FS1 ratings show that women's fights are exceptionally popular with UFC fans"

    https://sports.yahoo.com/news/fox-fs1-ratings-show-that-womens-fights-are-exceptionally-popular-with-ufc-fans-183134436.html

    This was the big knockout from a couple weeks ago:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bViqvrh4_HQ

    This is the second time someone posted that clip, which is made completely pointless by the music. The shocking thing about that knockout was the sound of it – like a baseball bat connecting with a fastball.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yes, the music ruins it, and the original sound of the contact is unnerving. Hard to find other clips of the knockout on YouTube that are short and focus just on the knockout though.
  19. @Wilkey
    This all started long before the Left started pushing girls to get into sports.

    People grow up to value what they are told repeatedly (over and over and over again) to value. Brainwashing works, for the most part. The only major institution that used to teach people to value parenthood was the church, and that institution is shrinking. All of the others - entertainment, government-run indoctrination camps (aka public schools) - teach children that parenthood is unimportant and a drag.

    If you want girls (and boys, for that matter) to grow up thinking that parenthood is vital and fun and important then you have to tell them that over and over and over again from Day 1 to Day 10,001. There's a reason the Left doesn't like the fact that little girls like to play with dolls.

    You have to override the current dominant culture. You have to take back control of the culture.

    In the early days of the Russian revolution, the Zhenotdel (Женотдел), the women’s department (женское отделение) of the Communist party was formed. The intention was to liberate women by destroying their old roles in the family, a bourgeois and therefore corrupt institution. One of their first reforms was the provision of abortion on demand for the first time in any country. De-veiling was carried out in Muslim Central Asia. Women who cared for their own children were declared selfish; much better for the village to care for the child.

    The results were catastrophic. In the Russian capital of Petrograd, ninety percent of women were on state assistance. In Muslim areas, women who divorced were murdered or forced into prostitution. It got so bad that Stalin finally disbanded the Zhenotdel in 1930, declaring it a success.

    • Replies: @anon

    In the early days of the Russian revolution, the Zhenotdel (Женотдел), the women’s department (женское отделение) of the Communist party was formed. The intention was to liberate women by destroying their old roles in the family, a bourgeois and therefore corrupt institution. One of their first reforms was the provision of abortion on demand for the first time in any country. De-veiling was carried out in Muslim Central Asia. Women who cared for their own children were declared selfish; much better for the village to care for the child.
     
    One is almost tempted to conclude from this and other policies that the masterminds of the revolution wanted to genocide the Russian people and other Gentile identity groups.
  20. Pushing our girls into sports has played a role in the creation of a couple of generations of young American women who are completely graceless and out of tune with their feminine natures.

    The difference would jump out at American guys who went to Europe to study as recently as 20 years ago. Even in Scandinavia the girls were radically more feminine than in the US when I went there in the ’80s. (For a long time after I preferred unshaven legs, as I associated them with that very femininity. Not that Nordic girls are all that hirsute.) Many of them knitted, though there were economic reasons for that as well.

    However, the American girls I knew weren’t that big into sports, either. Something else was discouraging their feminine side.

    The most feminine– and happiest– women I knew in 30 years in the Twin Cities were the Somalis. They were encouraged to be themselves.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Scandanavian women definitely aren't feminine these days.
    , @Anonymous

    The most feminine– and happiest– women I knew in 30 years in the Twin Cities were the Somalis. They were encouraged to be themselves.
     
    What gave you the impression they were the happiest?
    , @Anonymous

    The most feminine– and happiest– women I knew in 30 years in the Twin Cities were the Somalis. They were encouraged to be themselves.
     
    FWIW, Somalis have the highest rate of female genital mutilation in the world:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation#Prevalence

    The highest concentrations among the 15–49 age group are in Somalia (98 percent)
     
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    I've been to 20+ countries.

    For me, it is always an incredible breath of fresh air to note how much happier and more feminine women are in every one of those countries versus the US.

    The Leftist/Feminazi program in the US really has changed the mindset of young American women, and not for the better.
    , @Charlesz Martel
    Oh hell yes. I lived in Europe from the late 60's to the late 70's, with stints in the 80's and early 90's.
    The difference in femininity was tremendous. I remember discussing this with some of my fellow expats back in the States, it was a commonly agreed upon belief.
    I've often felt that the much more prevalent use of the birth control pill in the States at that time had a lot to do with it.
  21. @Reg Cæsar

    Pushing our girls into sports has played a role in the creation of a couple of generations of young American women who are completely graceless and out of tune with their feminine natures.
     
    The difference would jump out at American guys who went to Europe to study as recently as 20 years ago. Even in Scandinavia the girls were radically more feminine than in the US when I went there in the '80s. (For a long time after I preferred unshaven legs, as I associated them with that very femininity. Not that Nordic girls are all that hirsute.) Many of them knitted, though there were economic reasons for that as well.

    However, the American girls I knew weren't that big into sports, either. Something else was discouraging their feminine side.

    The most feminine-- and happiest-- women I knew in 30 years in the Twin Cities were the Somalis. They were encouraged to be themselves.

    Scandanavian women definitely aren’t feminine these days.

  22. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    This is the second time someone posted that clip, which is made completely pointless by the music. The shocking thing about that knockout was the sound of it - like a baseball bat connecting with a fastball.

    Yes, the music ruins it, and the original sound of the contact is unnerving. Hard to find other clips of the knockout on YouTube that are short and focus just on the knockout though.

  23. Paleo Retiree wrote:

    [T]oday’s American girls and young women are generally amazingly clumpy, grace-free and charm-free creatures. They judge themselves and each other by how aggressive and will-driven they are, they have zero clue what it is to be creatures of mystery, style and allure…

    Ah, but the flip side of this is that the girls who are graceful, charming young women, especially if they are reasonably intelligent and have some useful or admirable skills, can have their pick of the worthwhile males.

    Mate selection is a zero-sum game.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    Oh boy...I pray some of the scolds here never find your zero-sum comment..
    , @Desiderius
    Works for men as well.
    , @Anonymous

    Ah, but the flip side of this is that the girls who are graceful, charming young women, especially if they are reasonably intelligent and have some useful or admirable skills, can have their pick of the worthwhile males.
     
    Nope. Not if you mean having their pick of worthwhile husbands. Even very appealing women are having difficulty getting men to commit to marriage.
  24. Anonymous[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Pushing our girls into sports has played a role in the creation of a couple of generations of young American women who are completely graceless and out of tune with their feminine natures.
     
    The difference would jump out at American guys who went to Europe to study as recently as 20 years ago. Even in Scandinavia the girls were radically more feminine than in the US when I went there in the '80s. (For a long time after I preferred unshaven legs, as I associated them with that very femininity. Not that Nordic girls are all that hirsute.) Many of them knitted, though there were economic reasons for that as well.

    However, the American girls I knew weren't that big into sports, either. Something else was discouraging their feminine side.

    The most feminine-- and happiest-- women I knew in 30 years in the Twin Cities were the Somalis. They were encouraged to be themselves.

    The most feminine– and happiest– women I knew in 30 years in the Twin Cities were the Somalis. They were encouraged to be themselves.

    What gave you the impression they were the happiest?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar



    What gave you the impression they were the happiest?
     
    Smiling, laughing, joking, lightness of mien... little clues like that.

    Also, I traveled and studied in Europe in the '80s, and got to know what happy, girlish girls are like. This is eroding there and in Asia of late.

    The Somalis are behind the times, backwards even. But when the rest of the world is riding in a handbasket to perdition, that can be a good thing.
  25. @Anonymous
    "Fox, FS1 ratings show that women's fights are exceptionally popular with UFC fans"

    https://sports.yahoo.com/news/fox-fs1-ratings-show-that-womens-fights-are-exceptionally-popular-with-ufc-fans-183134436.html

    This was the big knockout from a couple weeks ago:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bViqvrh4_HQ

    I get an adrenaline rush in a male knockout, but I feel disgust at the sight of the female equivalent. I can’t watch it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It's grotesque.

    I'm not a fan of UFC's trashy aesthetic in general. Monster Energy logos everywhere, and the fighters all look like meth addicts or favela dwellers. Very strong Idiocracy vibes. Even the fights usually look like 2 jumpy, jittery guys high on meth scrambling around and fighting each other on the street over change.
    , @Anonymous

    I get an adrenaline rush in a male knockout,
     
    Bruh
  26. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Pushing our girls into sports has played a role in the creation of a couple of generations of young American women who are completely graceless and out of tune with their feminine natures.
     
    The difference would jump out at American guys who went to Europe to study as recently as 20 years ago. Even in Scandinavia the girls were radically more feminine than in the US when I went there in the '80s. (For a long time after I preferred unshaven legs, as I associated them with that very femininity. Not that Nordic girls are all that hirsute.) Many of them knitted, though there were economic reasons for that as well.

    However, the American girls I knew weren't that big into sports, either. Something else was discouraging their feminine side.

    The most feminine-- and happiest-- women I knew in 30 years in the Twin Cities were the Somalis. They were encouraged to be themselves.

    The most feminine– and happiest– women I knew in 30 years in the Twin Cities were the Somalis. They were encouraged to be themselves.

    FWIW, Somalis have the highest rate of female genital mutilation in the world:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation#Prevalence

    The highest concentrations among the 15–49 age group are in Somalia (98 percent)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    But aren't the (((Strauss-Kahns))) and the Rochdale sexual predators similarly "corrected"? No male seems more interested in sex than those whose genitals have been mutilated.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    FWIW, Somalis have the highest rate of female genital mutilation in the world
     
    Yes, and their women are happier and more satisfied than ours. Shows just how relevant "orgasmic capacity" is.

    By the way, I'm referring to young Somali women. The old ones are just tired.

    Margaret Laurence observed the same phenomena in British Somaliland 70 years ago.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/630342.The_Prophet_s_Camel_Bell
  27. @prosa123
    I don't know .... thanks to both of my jobs I have more contact with young women than do most non-young men, and all in all they're decent people. Some nicer than others, but that's to be expected. Certainly no cause to despair for the future. At least among the ones I know there are no obvious SJW's and none of them try to out-masculine men.

    prosa123 wrote:

    I don’t know …. thanks to both of my jobs I have more contact with young women than do most non-young men, and all in all they’re decent people. Some nicer than others, but that’s to be expected. Certainly no cause to despair for the future.

    I think you may be dealing with different age cohorts than are being discussed here.

    What I’m hearing from my own kids, who are in college, and other parents is that the young women in college and the final years of high-school are very, very messed up (and I grew up in the ’60s, when young people already seemed pretty messed up).

    Something has gone really wrong: the kids have more toys and more money and the schools are much easier, especially college, but the kids are miserable — I just heard about another youth suicide from a friend this afternoon.

    Of course, maybe the moral is that lots of material belongings and an easy, non-challenging life is not the road to happiness. Indeed, lots of rather thoughtful people seem to have been making that point for a very long time.

    And, maybe not everyone belongs in college, or even high school.

  28. @Anonymous

    Why we’re pushing our girls into combat-derived activities I have no idea. (Actually I do, but I’ll keep it to myself.)
     
    Do tell.

    And we wonder why so many of them get fat, take anti-depressants, and fail to reproduce. We’re actively discouraging our girls from realizing themselves as women. Awesome cultural achievement, America.
     
    This is why Steve and so many commenters here are foolish to oppose trans athletes playing in "women's" sports. We should in fact go further and end sexual segregation in the field of sports. Break the gender line!

    Not everything in life is a black and white reductio ad absurdum. The layman’s term for the psychopathology you implicitly endorse is “splitting.”

    Some of us just want to have nice things again, like girls being able to play games with other girls and all of them still be girls, in and off the field (track, court…).

  29. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clifford Brown
    I get an adrenaline rush in a male knockout, but I feel disgust at the sight of the female equivalent. I can't watch it.

    It’s grotesque.

    I’m not a fan of UFC’s trashy aesthetic in general. Monster Energy logos everywhere, and the fighters all look like meth addicts or favela dwellers. Very strong Idiocracy vibes. Even the fights usually look like 2 jumpy, jittery guys high on meth scrambling around and fighting each other on the street over change.

    • Agree: Kevin O'Keeffe
    • Replies: @Lot
    Well said.
  30. @anon
    Perhaps expanding the list to art, music, foreign languages, and aesthetic design (architecture, interior design) might go a long way to restoring women as something other than junior men. The Japanese school system does something like this; kids there focus much more on art and learning to play an instrument than they do in the United States, generally. Even though the Japanese TFR is very low, the women there are also traditional and genteel. This contrasts to what I've seen in the US recently where women seem to be going mad (check out critic reviews on RT for the latest Shaft movie - "Toxic Masculinity, reee").

    Having had both boys and girls it is obvious that girls really don’t have a lot of natural affinity towards sports, but as they tend to conform more to social expectations (compared to boys) they can be pushed that way fairly easily if you want to. But why would you want to, if they don’t show much interest? What’s wrong with being a girl and liking girly things? It seems like there is a lot of self-loathing in American women, the rotten core of feminism is not that they hate men, it is that they hate women. Feminism disdains the feminine! I can’t understand why you would denigrate motherhood, literally the most important thing for the species, for the entire biosphere actually, and elevate girls playing sportsball. Just don’t get it.

    Also, protip from an old man, if you want to push your girl into something traditionally male in order to make it easier for her to get into college/get scholarship money, think STEM, not sports. Trust me on this one.

    • LOL: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    think STEM, not sports

    On that note, the number of young women I meet these days who are studying physics, electrical engineering or computer science is astonishing. No wonder English and History departments are being cut at colleges around the country.
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    Totally agree about STEM for women looking to get ahead. They are literally not allowed to fail or transfer. The material will be boiled down to mental apple sauce and spoon fed to them. This is before the endless amount of help and grade inflation available to them.

    This advice applies to post-graduate life as well.

    Horny old Boomers and early Xers are beyond eager to promote women up the ranks to fill quotas and virtue signal. Off the top of my head I can think of multiple unqualified women who are now Senior Managers and Directors.
    , @SFG
    They have to have the math talent, though. It's rarer in women, though if they have it they can (a) benefit from affirmative action career-wise (b) get their pick of guys with good earning potential too shy to cheat on them.
    , @Desiderius
    The Greatest Generation worshipped the Almighty God of their ancestors, but the know-it-all Boomers worship the almighty STEM.

    Good advice, hot shot, send her right into the H1B buzzsaw and the heart of the backlash against all the AA bullshit. I understand y’all regressing to the mean, but this is embarrassing.
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    It seems like there is a lot of self-loathing in American women, the rotten core of feminism is not that they hate men, it is that they hate women. Feminism disdains the feminine! I can’t understand why you would denigrate motherhood, literally the most important thing for the species, for the entire biosphere actually, and elevate girls playing sportsball. Just don’t get it.
     
    This is totally a guy thing. We blame women and denigrate feminism, but this all really started with males and it is perpetuated by males. In very general terms, it started with the Boomers not really giving a damn how their sons turned out. Boomer dads have a 'daddy's little girl' fetish, and they seemed to find it much easier and more to their liking to raise their daughters to be "sons" than to raise their boys to be men. That meant impressing the girls into the superficial aspects of sportsball fanaticism and the high-fiveing style of social interaction, while the boys, desperate for real structure and real accomplishment, wander around lost and demoralized. Thus, the girls inhabit a world where they are positively validated and praised to the moon for aping the lowest degrees of male behavior, but when the boys start acting out their damaged and neglected intrinsic masculinity through the unstructured modes of violence and social withdrawal, they are yet further beaten and punished for it. All of this because weak and pathetic Boomer dads would rather have a sporty, fresh-faced daughter that they could wear as a pendant than undertake the hard work of raising a fine, strong son capable of holding his own against a hostile world and carrying on the family line.

    The culture at large supports all of this. Corporate culture in particular is extraordinarily cucky and very worshipful of the "sporty daughter" paradigm. "Women in the workforce" is the adult female analogue of "daddy's little girl with a jersey on and sitting on my lap watching the game," since managers and executives find it much easier to cater to the compliant nature of women than to actually deal with men who can be independent, intransigent, willful, baleful, spirited, energetic, and strident. A normal man would find most modern work to be stultifying and depressing, just like when he was a boy he found school to be stultifying and depressing and when he acted out on that entirely legitimate perception, he was labelled ADHD and placed on a drug regimen. However, if you "act out" in the workforce you become unemployable and everybody needs money to live, so the men who are unfortunately stuck in this situation have no choice but to repress their instincts and put up with the depression. But in order to do so they need a reason,, an overriding transcendent belief that they are supporting a family or building a civilization or something like that, in order to justify the sacrifice. The modern world takes away the reason and leaves them only the bullshit work, which is nothing but an empty form. Consequently men revert to the same feelings and the same behavior as they did in their neglected youth, becoming violent, disruptive, and/or withdrawn.

    The only males who really do well in the corporate world are the highly sociable, sports-crazed, cackly types, the Jim Cramers and Clark Griswolds of the world, who would rather entertain the hen house than rule the roost. But such men, inevitably ascending to power in the artificial corporate culture, are the very ones who carry on the sporty daughter paradigm and prolong the whole wretched system. Inwardly women themselves, they are in their sportsball worship not very far removed from wanting the BBC to come over to their house and lay the wood to their wives and daughters while they watch and masturbate, perhaps craving the same penetration in their own orifices.

    You can always measure the cuckiness of a subculture by the degree to which the males (I will not call them men) worship their own daughters. This yields surprising results for certain groups who like to style themselves as champions of "conservative" values. For instance:

    Evangelical Protestants: Total cucks. Their Christianity is pure SJWism with an imperceptibly thin spritz of Jesus-sauce. The Evangelical is the man who will allow his daughter to shack up with a meth-head and then, when that lifestyle fails, he will make no attempt to rescue his daughter but will head over to their dingy apartment to bring in food and set up a new flat screen TV that he paid for, saying "I just want my little girl to be taken care of." Daughter-worshiping loser.

    Country Music: The crooning of cucky imbeciles. Toby Keith's "Whiskey Girl" is a veritable ballad of daughter-pimping. It is the anthem of every dad whose chief desire is to have his daughter grow up to be a mechanic and a barroom slut.

    The US military: Cucked beyond rehabilitation, needless to say. Any institution that orders men to walk around in high heels and fake pregnancy saddles is hopeless.

    You can keep going with sportsball and higher education, but it isn't necessary. All this has been discussed before. The point to remember is that it was not angry females who produced all this, but males who would rather associate with females.
    , @Thoughts
    Women in STEM are surrounded by Asian and Indian men and the few white men see them as competitors.

    If you want your daughter to get married....put her in the way of STEM men without being STEM and make her pretty and nice.

  31. Anonymous[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clifford Brown
    I get an adrenaline rush in a male knockout, but I feel disgust at the sight of the female equivalent. I can't watch it.

    I get an adrenaline rush in a male knockout,

    Bruh

  32. @Anonymous
    "Fox, FS1 ratings show that women's fights are exceptionally popular with UFC fans"

    https://sports.yahoo.com/news/fox-fs1-ratings-show-that-womens-fights-are-exceptionally-popular-with-ufc-fans-183134436.html

    This was the big knockout from a couple weeks ago:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bViqvrh4_HQ

    Instead of “Girls and Panzer” you get “Girls ARE Panzer”

  33. On a related topic: Very Rich Person Nick Hanauer resolves all the problems in American education in a short essay: LINK

    His thesis? It’s not the schools that are bad. Instead, educational inequality is the direct result of inequality in household income:

    Even the most thoughtful and well-intentioned school-reform program can’t improve educational outcomes if it ignores the single greatest driver of student achievement: household income.

    For all the genuine flaws of the American education system, the nation still has many high-achieving public-school districts. Nearly all of them are united by a thriving community of economically secure middle-class families with sufficient political power to demand great schools, the time and resources to participate in those schools, and the tax money to amply fund them. In short, great public schools are the product of a thriving middle class, not the other way around. Pay people enough to afford dignified middle-class lives, and high-quality public schools will follow. But allow economic inequality to grow, and educational inequality will inevitably grow with it.

    This problem is super-easy to fix:

    In fact, the most direct way to address rising economic inequality is to simply pay ordinary workers more, by increasing the minimum wage and the salary threshold for overtime exemption; by restoring bargaining power for labor; and by instating higher taxes—much higher taxes—on rich people like me and on our estates.

    Well, at least Nick is tormented by guilt (LOL) over his own obscene wealth.

    • Replies: @eah
    Character string that doesn’t appear, of course? “immi . . .”

    Why does that matter (so much)? -- I mean, I get the point that immigration hurts household income, and that it's dishonest not to mention it -- and that this is true for both blue and white collar (H-1B) workers -- that fact is bad enough, and reason enough to oppose high levels of immigration -- but household income does not appear to be the determining factor in black underperformance.

    https://i.postimg.cc/W1QNWQqY/family-income-vs-mean-sat.png
    , @Redneck farmer
    Once again, middle class is a euphemism for either white or working rich.
    , @Forbes
    The very rich person Nick Hanauer suffers the common problem of his wealthy contemporaries--he believes he must be genius-like smart if he's so wealthy.

    He fails to recognize that he's the equivalent of a lottery winner. His wealth comes from selling an advertising business to Microsoft for $6.4 billion. He was also an early investor in Amazon.

    (Neither the family bedding business, nor his picture framing business generated his wealth.)

    Much (most?) of life does involve being at the right place at the right time. But that is called luck.

    It shouldn't be, but it's always is a little surprising, the people seen as successful think the only difference with the less well-off is one's income. Not character. Not lifestyle. Not habits. Not virtues. Not effort. Not impulse control and future-time orientation.

    Not all the things well within one's own control--except for the luck of being in the right place at the right time. Like Nick Hanauer.

    , @Alden
    Nick’’s never met an affirmative action black lawyer, appointed a judge as soon as he had his 5 years in who couldn’t read. Truly really Judge Perkins
  34. eah says:

    Girls and young women are significantly more vulnerable to serious knee injuries than males — a number of physiological and anatomical differences seem to contribute to this, eg lower muscle mass and slower reaction time of leg muscles that stabilize the knee.

    link

    Interestingly, women are more prone to injury than men. ACL injuries occur with a four to six fold greater incidence in female compared to male athletes playing the same high-risk sports. The combination of increased risk of ACL injury and a 10-fold increase in sports participation since the enactment of Title IX in 1972 has lead to an almost epidemic rise in ACL injuries in female athletes.

    link

    While girls and young women have gained significant ground in opportunities for participating and competing in sports, the increase in the numbers of young women competing in sports have also revealed an alarming increase in the rate of both acute injuries and chronic anterior knee pain. Unfortunately, the numbers of knee injuries in girls have statistically risen far above those seen in their male peers.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    Girls are also concussed more easily than boys. Combine that with the waves of ACL tears, and it's a pretty good argument for limiting physical contact and sharp directional changes in girls' sports.
    , @68W58
    There was at least one military study which also showed a much greater propensity for females to get leg and knee injuries from the same kind of stresses that male soldiers were regularly expected to endure. But, of course, all of that was ignored in favor of “grrrl power” when the Obama administration decided to let women into the combat arms. So now not only do we have a weaker, less effective, combat force but we also will have to pay out higher disability payments to many more females after they wreck their knees trying to keep up.
  35. Paleo Retiree’s post ties neatly into Lion of the Blogosphere’s post on the Just World Fallacy. There is a lot of wishing and hoping on the part of older conservatives that modern women will somehow get their just desserts for pushing feminism on us, but I see very little evidence that it is true.

    This is part of a conservative tendency to try to impose moral explanations when material explanations make more sense. In a world of cheap clothing, you expect women to knit and sew? In a world of microwaves, fast food and food delivery services, you expect a woman to run a kitchen? In a world of Facebook and Instagram, you expect a woman to run a social circle? Technology has made traditional women’s roles completely obsolete, possibly even more than it has changed the world for men. Of course modern women need something new to fill their time, and our struggling with the ridiculously fast pace of technological change, just like men are.

    Also notice that women who play sports are far more likely to be conservative and pro-family than women who spend time studying the arts, music, style and literature.

    • Agree: European-American
    • Replies: @Anon

    Of course modern women need something new to fill their time
     
    Do they though? What about raising children?
    , @obwandiyag
    Oh my god, you are so much smarter than all these utter idiots on here. Instead of just complaining or blaming everything on liberals, you actually look at what is often called the big picture and figure out what is REALLY going on.

    And of course, you look at money and technology, like smart people do, instead of blabbering about what some liberal supposedly said or thinks.

    My god. How I wish there were, I mean was a thousand of you so that an actual intelligent conversation might have the tiniest change of ensuing.

  36. My cousin’s two daughters played soccer in HS at my Alma Mater mainly because their Uncle was a D1 women’s soccer coach. After the youngest one’s last game ever, their Mom sobbed because a huge social activity for her was now over and done with. Nobody was competing for scholarships, btw. It was all for fun.

    Most of the girls I coached in HS came out for the team because for road games they would get out of school early and we’d go out to eat fast food after the games. No parents traveled to the games, which I’m pretty sure that they preferred.

    Both schools were small Parochial HS in big cities.

  37. @Peter Akuleyev
    Paleo Retiree's post ties neatly into Lion of the Blogosphere's post on the Just World Fallacy. There is a lot of wishing and hoping on the part of older conservatives that modern women will somehow get their just desserts for pushing feminism on us, but I see very little evidence that it is true.

    This is part of a conservative tendency to try to impose moral explanations when material explanations make more sense. In a world of cheap clothing, you expect women to knit and sew? In a world of microwaves, fast food and food delivery services, you expect a woman to run a kitchen? In a world of Facebook and Instagram, you expect a woman to run a social circle? Technology has made traditional women's roles completely obsolete, possibly even more than it has changed the world for men. Of course modern women need something new to fill their time, and our struggling with the ridiculously fast pace of technological change, just like men are.

    Also notice that women who play sports are far more likely to be conservative and pro-family than women who spend time studying the arts, music, style and literature.

    Of course modern women need something new to fill their time

    Do they though? What about raising children?

    • Replies: @SFG
    That's expensive now. And with all the massive debt, crappy jobs and economic insecurity, people (at least of the more responsible sort) are reluctant to commit to something like that.

    Having kids is a statement of optimism about the future (if you have the self-control not to do it at 15, anyway). The young are understandably pretty pessimistic.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    Raising children has become a thankless task.

    First of all, in the 21st century only women married to men in the upper income bracket can afford to raise children, or at least that is how most middle class women perceive the world.

    Then the women who can afford to stay home in the modern world with their kids are rarely happy. On this Hillary Clinton kind of had a point with her village bit. Women are naturally evolved to raise children in a group, with other women. It is not natural for a mother to stay home day after day by herself trying to entertain her own children. Even into the 1970s we still had neighborhoods where many women stayed home, and everyone kind of looked after everyone's kids. Women in that era also had no problem letting their children run off to play in the park or the streets for hours at a time, and were able to hang out with other women, gossip, do some housework and enjoy life. Today a woman who stays home is often isolated, becomes an unpaid chauffeur driving the kids from activity to activity and gets at best mild condescension from her female college classmates, who are all making six figures in marketing or law. How do you propose to change that dynamic? Realistically?

  38. eah says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    On a related topic: Very Rich Person Nick Hanauer resolves all the problems in American education in a short essay: LINK

    His thesis? It's not the schools that are bad. Instead, educational inequality is the direct result of inequality in household income:


    Even the most thoughtful and well-intentioned school-reform program can’t improve educational outcomes if it ignores the single greatest driver of student achievement: household income.

    For all the genuine flaws of the American education system, the nation still has many high-achieving public-school districts. Nearly all of them are united by a thriving community of economically secure middle-class families with sufficient political power to demand great schools, the time and resources to participate in those schools, and the tax money to amply fund them. In short, great public schools are the product of a thriving middle class, not the other way around. Pay people enough to afford dignified middle-class lives, and high-quality public schools will follow. But allow economic inequality to grow, and educational inequality will inevitably grow with it.
     

    This problem is super-easy to fix:

    In fact, the most direct way to address rising economic inequality is to simply pay ordinary workers more, by increasing the minimum wage and the salary threshold for overtime exemption; by restoring bargaining power for labor; and by instating higher taxes—much higher taxes—on rich people like me and on our estates.

     

    Well, at least Nick is tormented by guilt (LOL) over his own obscene wealth.

    Character string that doesn’t appear, of course? “immi . . .”

    Why does that matter (so much)? — I mean, I get the point that immigration hurts household income, and that it’s dishonest not to mention it — and that this is true for both blue and white collar (H-1B) workers — that fact is bad enough, and reason enough to oppose high levels of immigration — but household income does not appear to be the determining factor in black underperformance.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    You replied very quickly to my post -- I actually went back and deleted that line during the editing window. I agree that it's not the main criticism of the article.
  39. You do not have a work sheet :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=55&v=6TPeWAgzwi4

    OMG I will pay you to stop saying work sheet .

  40. To paraphrase The Godfather, take it to Airplane:

  41. @SimpleSong
    Having had both boys and girls it is obvious that girls really don't have a lot of natural affinity towards sports, but as they tend to conform more to social expectations (compared to boys) they can be pushed that way fairly easily if you want to. But why would you want to, if they don't show much interest? What's wrong with being a girl and liking girly things? It seems like there is a lot of self-loathing in American women, the rotten core of feminism is not that they hate men, it is that they hate women. Feminism disdains the feminine! I can't understand why you would denigrate motherhood, literally the most important thing for the species, for the entire biosphere actually, and elevate girls playing sportsball. Just don't get it.

    Also, protip from an old man, if you want to push your girl into something traditionally male in order to make it easier for her to get into college/get scholarship money, think STEM, not sports. Trust me on this one.

    think STEM, not sports

    On that note, the number of young women I meet these days who are studying physics, electrical engineering or computer science is astonishing. No wonder English and History departments are being cut at colleges around the country.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    How many of them have the math chops? I know a few who do, but I suspect like a lot of guys, a large number will find out they don't. Or don't want to put in the effort to learn the math.
  42. @Daniel H
    And this is why God created eastern Europe.

    Have you actually been to Eastern Europe? There tend to be a lot of romantic notions about Eastern Europe floating around the blogosphere. I know a lot of American men who have been burned very badly by relationships with women from Slavic countries. Maybe American men are no longer capable of seeing beyond the charm and seduction and have become easy marks for women who are actually a lot smarter and more ambitious than they are.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    Sports related: WNBA star Candace Parker left her former NBA husband for a female Russian basketball player. Parker paid her husband $400,000 in the divorce settlement. Former NY Giant Amani Toomer's Eastern European wife aborted four of his children and wouldn't cook or clean. NBA star Paul George accidentally impregnated a Serbian stripper. After a paternity and child support battle, George decided to make the stripper his girlfriend and they now have two children.


    Bonus: Mathematician Jonathan Farley's mail order Russian bride took him for $50,000 before leaving him.

    https://youtu.be/YJMg3t2yaQI

    , @SFG
    I think what a lot of these 'game' expats are running into are women after their money, and they think they're being successful off their charisma (or something), and the women are just truly romantic and feminine. That gets tied in with the right-wing politics and they think these places are just perfect. (Of course, just because they're making a nice ethnonationalist state for their citizens doesn't mean they'll make it for *you*, Yankee...that makes it less likely if anything.)
    , @Bardon Kaldian
    No, he's right. You do insert a dose of necessary corrective realism, but ex- socialist countries are, with all their troubles I need not expatiate upon, much healthier in this regard....
    , @obwandiyag
    Polish women are frightening. There is nothing soft and endearing about their "femininity."
    , @Buzz Mohawk

    Have you actually been to Eastern Europe?
     
    I've been there practically every one of the past nineteen years, because I'm married to an actual female from there. I'm well-fed and well-loved, and my house is somehow always spotless even though I don't clean. My clothes magically appear ready to wear even though I don't do laundry. If that's being burned, then stand back because I'm on fire.

    Of course Hungarians aren't Slavic, so maybe they don't fit into your scenario. I don't know, but I've written plenty here previously about my situation, so I will say no more.

    Oh, I will add that sometimes I lose my temper, but she never does. When I am angry, she does not turn my anger into a fight. She understands that I am male, and that males sometimes growl. American women have lost that part of femininity.

    There certainly must be cases that conform to your description, but Daniel H has a very good point.

  43. Yet women manage to turn even the most masculine of activities into coffee klatches. I stopped attending Mensa meetings when they turned into little more than recipe exchanges by overweight school marms who only wanted to gossip about Netflix episodes.

    I suspect that future Navy Seal training sessions will consist of vegetarian women lamenting the 2nd amendment as they walk thru the exercises while discussing Orange is the new Black.

  44. @The Wild Geese Howard
    One of our fellow white women helpfully explains why Chernobyl is too white too be the best TV show of all time:

    https://www.theringer.com/tv/2019/6/12/18661850/imdb-rating-system-problems-chernobyl

    Don't bother with her Twitter - it's so tarded you'll feel your IQ dropping by the second.

    The irony of course being that Chernobyl is marred by casting Emily Watson as a female super scientist who, as Masha Gessen puts it (yes, Steve’s favorite Masha Gessen), “appears to embody every possible Hollywood fantasy.” In other words, HBO managed to turn the Chernobyl disaster into a female wish-fulfillment story. And the Ringer still criticizing it for being too white. Ok. Can’t win I guess.

  45. Women of the world, unite and fight!!! After all, who wants to be the Olsen twins when you can be the Williams sisters?

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Truth
    All four of them are dudes, Sport.

    https://images-production.global.ssl.fastly.net/uploads/posts/teaser_image/131875/olsen-twins-met-gala.jpg
  46. @The Last Real Calvinist
    On a related topic: Very Rich Person Nick Hanauer resolves all the problems in American education in a short essay: LINK

    His thesis? It's not the schools that are bad. Instead, educational inequality is the direct result of inequality in household income:


    Even the most thoughtful and well-intentioned school-reform program can’t improve educational outcomes if it ignores the single greatest driver of student achievement: household income.

    For all the genuine flaws of the American education system, the nation still has many high-achieving public-school districts. Nearly all of them are united by a thriving community of economically secure middle-class families with sufficient political power to demand great schools, the time and resources to participate in those schools, and the tax money to amply fund them. In short, great public schools are the product of a thriving middle class, not the other way around. Pay people enough to afford dignified middle-class lives, and high-quality public schools will follow. But allow economic inequality to grow, and educational inequality will inevitably grow with it.
     

    This problem is super-easy to fix:

    In fact, the most direct way to address rising economic inequality is to simply pay ordinary workers more, by increasing the minimum wage and the salary threshold for overtime exemption; by restoring bargaining power for labor; and by instating higher taxes—much higher taxes—on rich people like me and on our estates.

     

    Well, at least Nick is tormented by guilt (LOL) over his own obscene wealth.

    Once again, middle class is a euphemism for either white or working rich.

  47. @eah
    Girls and young women are significantly more vulnerable to serious knee injuries than males -- a number of physiological and anatomical differences seem to contribute to this, eg lower muscle mass and slower reaction time of leg muscles that stabilize the knee.

    link

    Interestingly, women are more prone to injury than men. ACL injuries occur with a four to six fold greater incidence in female compared to male athletes playing the same high-risk sports. The combination of increased risk of ACL injury and a 10-fold increase in sports participation since the enactment of Title IX in 1972 has lead to an almost epidemic rise in ACL injuries in female athletes.

    link

    While girls and young women have gained significant ground in opportunities for participating and competing in sports, the increase in the numbers of young women competing in sports have also revealed an alarming increase in the rate of both acute injuries and chronic anterior knee pain. Unfortunately, the numbers of knee injuries in girls have statistically risen far above those seen in their male peers.

    Girls are also concussed more easily than boys. Combine that with the waves of ACL tears, and it’s a pretty good argument for limiting physical contact and sharp directional changes in girls’ sports.

  48. @eah
    Character string that doesn’t appear, of course? “immi . . .”

    Why does that matter (so much)? -- I mean, I get the point that immigration hurts household income, and that it's dishonest not to mention it -- and that this is true for both blue and white collar (H-1B) workers -- that fact is bad enough, and reason enough to oppose high levels of immigration -- but household income does not appear to be the determining factor in black underperformance.

    https://i.postimg.cc/W1QNWQqY/family-income-vs-mean-sat.png

    You replied very quickly to my post — I actually went back and deleted that line during the editing window. I agree that it’s not the main criticism of the article.

    • Replies: @eah
    OK -- I didn't know that 1) it was possible to reply to a comment before it was approved, and/or 2) a comment is normally approved before the editing window expires -- ? -- the Unz site clearly knows and remembers my IP, so I can see my comments awaiting approval -- but no one else's unapproved comments -- I assume it is the same for everyone.
    , @AnotherDad



    Character string that doesn’t appear, of course? “immi . . .”
     
    Why does that matter (so much)? — I mean, I get the point that immigration hurts household income, and that it’s dishonest not to mention it — and that this is true for both blue and white collar (H-1B) workers — that fact is bad enough, and reason enough to oppose high levels of immigration — but household income does not appear to be the determining factor in black underperformance.
     
    You replied very quickly to my post — I actually went back and deleted that line during the editing window. I agree that it’s not the main criticism of the article.
     
    Actually Calvinist, eah, Calvinist was on target before his edit.

    The lack of mention of immigration, in this article and all other articles like it, *is* precisely what's wrong with them.

    Eah, you're fisking Hanauer over the reality that the black/white IQ/ed-performance gap isn't primarily socio-economically driven but HBD driven. Correct, but despite blacks' status at the pinnacle of minoritarian pantheon, blacks aren't the be all and end all of the class divide in America. And secondly Hanauer is specifically rejecting education as the cause and cure.

    Hanauer is basically saying that "educationalism" excuses/fixes aren't the real deal. He's right!


    The real story is more complicated, and more troubling. Yes, there is a mismatch between the skills of the present and the jobs of the future. In a fast-changing, technologically advanced economy, how could there not be? But this mismatch doesn’t begin to explain the widening inequality of the past 40 years.

    In 1970, when the golden age of the American middle class was nearing its peak and inequality was at its nadir, only about half of Americans ages 25 and older had a high-school diploma or the equivalent. Today, 90 percent do. Meanwhile, the proportion of Americans attaining a college degree has more than tripled since 1970. But while the American people have never been more highly educated, only the wealthiest have seen large gains in real wages. From 1979 to 2017, as the average real annual wages of the top 1 percent of Americans rose 156 percent (and the top .01 percent’s wages rose by a stunning 343 percent), the purchasing power of the average American’s paycheck did not increase.
     

    This is correct. There's a lot of useless crappy education--ex. gender studies--that is really anti-education. But overall Americans are more "educated", than when i was a kid, but the economic state of the working and middle class is stagnant.

    Where Hanauer is incoherent is cause and cure. Bumping up the minimum wage--fine. But we have a market economy setting wages. The minimum wage isn't the issue. The issue is wage stagnation across the working and middle classes. And the biggest cause of that stagnation is overwhelmingly immigration.

    You aren't going to have rising wages when you labor market is opened to the entire world.

    Plus when you nation is flooded with immigrants, the critical middle class thing you want to get with your declining wage--a nice house in decent neighborhood with "good schools"--becomes radically more expensive.

    Immigration isn't the *only* thing that's caused this problem. The birth control pill and then all the nasty stuff the progs have pushed--feminism, slutism, divorce, illegitimacy, "many kinds of families", decline of religion, minoritarianism, basically the full attack on the traditional culture and norms of Western Christian civilization--is causal as well. (Basically all the stuff Charles Murray gets into in "Coming Apart".)

    But immigration--whacking down white guys' wage earning potential, and hence value as husband, and authority as patriarch; while mocking and abusing him at the same time--is the heart and soul of the issue.

    ~~

    Any article that mentions "income inequality" or phrases akin to "wage stagnation" and does not highlight immigration is just bullshit--a fraud. So Hanauer while correct that "educationism" is a fraud, has produced a fraud as well.

  49. @Peter Akuleyev
    think STEM, not sports

    On that note, the number of young women I meet these days who are studying physics, electrical engineering or computer science is astonishing. No wonder English and History departments are being cut at colleges around the country.

    How many of them have the math chops? I know a few who do, but I suspect like a lot of guys, a large number will find out they don’t. Or don’t want to put in the effort to learn the math.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    Very few.

    In 17 years I've never met a woman who was a better than average engineer.
  50. @Peter Akuleyev
    Have you actually been to Eastern Europe? There tend to be a lot of romantic notions about Eastern Europe floating around the blogosphere. I know a lot of American men who have been burned very badly by relationships with women from Slavic countries. Maybe American men are no longer capable of seeing beyond the charm and seduction and have become easy marks for women who are actually a lot smarter and more ambitious than they are.

    Sports related: WNBA star Candace Parker left her former NBA husband for a female Russian basketball player. Parker paid her husband $400,000 in the divorce settlement. Former NY Giant Amani Toomer’s Eastern European wife aborted four of his children and wouldn’t cook or clean. NBA star Paul George accidentally impregnated a Serbian stripper. After a paternity and child support battle, George decided to make the stripper his girlfriend and they now have two children.

    Bonus: Mathematician Jonathan Farley’s mail order Russian bride took him for $50,000 before leaving him.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Triumph104:

    I truly feel sorry for the black mathematician. It seems he was really taken over the hurdles by the female scam artist (hopefully soon to be his ex-wife!).
    , @Cloudbuster
    And of course there's Mel Gibson's Russian golddigger.
  51. OT:

    The CUNY math professor impregnated a homeless 18 year-old with his 50th child. The 18-year old has a 21 year-old girlfriend who lives in a different homeless shelter with her own mother and brother. The girlfriend is unemployed but plans to finish high school and hopefully work in engineering.

  52. @Triumph104
    Sports related: WNBA star Candace Parker left her former NBA husband for a female Russian basketball player. Parker paid her husband $400,000 in the divorce settlement. Former NY Giant Amani Toomer's Eastern European wife aborted four of his children and wouldn't cook or clean. NBA star Paul George accidentally impregnated a Serbian stripper. After a paternity and child support battle, George decided to make the stripper his girlfriend and they now have two children.


    Bonus: Mathematician Jonathan Farley's mail order Russian bride took him for $50,000 before leaving him.

    https://youtu.be/YJMg3t2yaQI

    Triumph104:

    I truly feel sorry for the black mathematician. It seems he was really taken over the hurdles by the female scam artist (hopefully soon to be his ex-wife!).

  53. @Triumph104
    Sports related: WNBA star Candace Parker left her former NBA husband for a female Russian basketball player. Parker paid her husband $400,000 in the divorce settlement. Former NY Giant Amani Toomer's Eastern European wife aborted four of his children and wouldn't cook or clean. NBA star Paul George accidentally impregnated a Serbian stripper. After a paternity and child support battle, George decided to make the stripper his girlfriend and they now have two children.


    Bonus: Mathematician Jonathan Farley's mail order Russian bride took him for $50,000 before leaving him.

    https://youtu.be/YJMg3t2yaQI

    And of course there’s Mel Gibson’s Russian golddigger.

  54. If you don’t want your daughter to be a jock, just let her make her own choice about it. If she’s a normal girl, she won’t be all that interested in sports. If she happens to be one of the girls who do like sports, steer her away from sports with physical contact and into something like tennis or volleyball. She’ll be at far less risk for serious, debilitating injury that way.

    My daughter runs track and has taken dance lessons. She’s fairly athletic, but she isn’t really all that keen on sports in general. Her mom was very athletic (all state swimmer), but also not all that interested in sports — I’m pretty sure she would have preferred water ballet to swimming the 400m medley. It seems a lot of parents of high school girls starting in the late 90s really pushed their girls into sports. I’m not sure why. It doesn’t make much sense to me, but then again I’m not a particularly ambitious person. And ambition is the only explanation I can think of — the hope that your kid will show up all the other parents’ kids. Unfortunately, parents’ ambitions often do not align with those of their children, and that causes problems for the kids.

    In my own family there seems to be a pretty serious case of this. One of my cousins was a very talented female athlete who set the record for the mile at her high school and played soccer for one of the best university teams in the US. My uncle was a professional soccer player in his youth, and he made the game a big part of his relationship with his kids. I don’t think he meant any harm, but it’s easy to get carried away I guess. Last I heard she’s estranged from her parents.

    It seems to be an American problem. One of my local acquaintances – a Croatian fishmonger – played for the Italian premier league in the 80s (poor guy had to defend against Diego Maradonna), and he never pushed his daughter into sports at all and doesn’t seem to regret not doing so.

    I see some people here arguing for pushing girls into STEM education instead of sports. This is a pretty Chinese thing to do, and I disagree with it. It’s part of the same trend that’s making girls unhappy and maladjusted in the first place. Again, it’s naked ambition. Aside from the fact that if you have a nice, cute, white Christian daughter who happens to be intellectually gifted, it’s a waste to toss her into the STEM sharkpit where she’ll be leered at by death-worshipping pagans from some steaming subcontinental agglomeration and likely outcompeted by tiger daughters for promotions, money, etc., there’s a good chance she isn’t all that interested in it.

    My daughter’s school is trying to push her into the advanced STEM program, and I asked her whether she was interested in it. She admitted that she isn’t, so I told her she gets to make that choice, because I’m not going to push her into studying something she doesn’t care about. She’s the kind of girl who, after reading Gone with the Wind, decided she wanted to make a dress from that period. She’s smart, but I don’t think boolean algebra is going to “bring her joy.”

    If you want your children to be happy, and I think every parent should, you should teach them humility first of all. I think a lot of parents should learn it themselves, too. Unfortunately, we all too often teach them pride and ambition above all, and it often ends badly.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    Great post; thanks much.
    , @SFG
    "Unfortunately, parents’ ambitions often do not align with those of their children, and that causes problems for the kids."

    This is a completely apolitical point I think is worth underlining, and true across the spectrum, I think. Too many parents make the kids do something the parents are more excited about than the kids are. Granted, if they want to do the arts, you'd better help them have a backup plan, but just because you're a programmer and your daughter has talent for it, well, if she doesn't want to, don't make her. (If she does, I disagree with you--she can ride the affirmative action train to a sinecure and a well-earning husband too shy to cheat on her and too wimpy to beat her, which are the things you usually worry about with men.)
    , @The Wild Geese Howard

    My daughter’s school is trying to push her into the advanced STEM program, and I asked her whether she was interested in it. She admitted that she isn’t, so I told her she gets to make that choice, because I’m not going to push her into studying something she doesn’t care about.
     
    ...and this is exactly why, other than the 1 in 10 million savant, women do not belong in STEM.

    I applaud your decision as a parent to let your daughter choose the path she feels is best for her.
    , @Paleo Liberal
    I know a guy who was coaching one of my daughters for a specific position in a sport.
    He said the most important thing for that position is the brain. That could be said for all of sports.

    My oldest daughter is the most athletic of my kids. She also did about the least organized sports, especially at the high school level. Coaches told her she had D-1 talent, but she didn’t care. She played for the fun of it. When organized sports stopped being fun, she stopped playing. She had a rather meteoric rise and fall. She started her best sport in the 7th grade. Fall of the 8th grade she was on a 12U recreational league team. Spring of 8th grade she was on a 14U rec team. By the end of the summer she was playing 14U tournaments. Fall of 9th grade she was recruited to play 16U tournaments. Head coach told her he was going to mold her into a D-1 player. Then it stopped being fun. So she quit. She did play a few low level games the next spring with her friends. It was interesting to see how much she completely dominated the game, but she was with her friends so it was more fun than being groomed for D-1. When her friends left the game, so did she.

    Her boyfriend is the son of a former pro athlete. The two of them go to the gym a lot, run and bike for fun, and stay in shape. They just don’t play organized sports anymore.

    My son was a middle of the road HS athlete. He really wanted to be on a D-3 college team. He was obsessed with his sport. He is still involved now he has a career. He practiced two hours a day and hit the gym another two hours on his own in college. He was one of the stars of his team by the end of his sophomore year on one of the best D-3 teams in the country for his sport.

    What is the lesson? The kid won’t be a star unless the kid wants to be a star. When my daughter wanted to quit her team, the assistant coach told me he destroyed his relationship with his sons by forcing them to play a sport they had grown tired of. He told me the best way to preserve my relationship with my daughter was to let her quit the team. I did, and I have a great relationship with my daughter.

    , @Romanian
    A relative of mine who is an only child was very high performing in fencing. Her dad is a military man and he was very invested in it, making financial sacrifices and driving her around to practice, tournaments, in addition to tutoring for school etc. When she turned 13, she told him she didn't want to do it anymore, sparking a familial crisis. She did not relent and now just plays some tennis to keep active. I admired her intransigence in standing up to her old man.
  55. @Anonymous
    "Fox, FS1 ratings show that women's fights are exceptionally popular with UFC fans"

    https://sports.yahoo.com/news/fox-fs1-ratings-show-that-womens-fights-are-exceptionally-popular-with-ufc-fans-183134436.html

    This was the big knockout from a couple weeks ago:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bViqvrh4_HQ

    Bullet Valentina is a pretty kick ass chick.

    Literally!

  56. @PhysicistDave
    Paleo Retiree wrote:

    [T]oday’s American girls and young women are generally amazingly clumpy, grace-free and charm-free creatures. They judge themselves and each other by how aggressive and will-driven they are, they have zero clue what it is to be creatures of mystery, style and allure...
     
    Ah, but the flip side of this is that the girls who are graceful, charming young women, especially if they are reasonably intelligent and have some useful or admirable skills, can have their pick of the worthwhile males.

    Mate selection is a zero-sum game.

    Oh boy…I pray some of the scolds here never find your zero-sum comment..

  57. @SimpleSong
    Having had both boys and girls it is obvious that girls really don't have a lot of natural affinity towards sports, but as they tend to conform more to social expectations (compared to boys) they can be pushed that way fairly easily if you want to. But why would you want to, if they don't show much interest? What's wrong with being a girl and liking girly things? It seems like there is a lot of self-loathing in American women, the rotten core of feminism is not that they hate men, it is that they hate women. Feminism disdains the feminine! I can't understand why you would denigrate motherhood, literally the most important thing for the species, for the entire biosphere actually, and elevate girls playing sportsball. Just don't get it.

    Also, protip from an old man, if you want to push your girl into something traditionally male in order to make it easier for her to get into college/get scholarship money, think STEM, not sports. Trust me on this one.

    Totally agree about STEM for women looking to get ahead. They are literally not allowed to fail or transfer. The material will be boiled down to mental apple sauce and spoon fed to them. This is before the endless amount of help and grade inflation available to them.

    This advice applies to post-graduate life as well.

    Horny old Boomers and early Xers are beyond eager to promote women up the ranks to fill quotas and virtue signal. Off the top of my head I can think of multiple unqualified women who are now Senior Managers and Directors.

  58. @Redneck farmer
    How many of them have the math chops? I know a few who do, but I suspect like a lot of guys, a large number will find out they don't. Or don't want to put in the effort to learn the math.

    Very few.

    In 17 years I’ve never met a woman who was a better than average engineer.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    In 17 years I’ve never met a woman who was a better than average engineer.
     
    I see your 17 and raise you 20. But yeah.
    , @FeelTheBern
    30 years here...Same.

    Sharpest have been males from Korea and Poland.
  59. @SimpleSong
    Having had both boys and girls it is obvious that girls really don't have a lot of natural affinity towards sports, but as they tend to conform more to social expectations (compared to boys) they can be pushed that way fairly easily if you want to. But why would you want to, if they don't show much interest? What's wrong with being a girl and liking girly things? It seems like there is a lot of self-loathing in American women, the rotten core of feminism is not that they hate men, it is that they hate women. Feminism disdains the feminine! I can't understand why you would denigrate motherhood, literally the most important thing for the species, for the entire biosphere actually, and elevate girls playing sportsball. Just don't get it.

    Also, protip from an old man, if you want to push your girl into something traditionally male in order to make it easier for her to get into college/get scholarship money, think STEM, not sports. Trust me on this one.

    They have to have the math talent, though. It’s rarer in women, though if they have it they can (a) benefit from affirmative action career-wise (b) get their pick of guys with good earning potential too shy to cheat on them.

  60. @Bill P
    If you don't want your daughter to be a jock, just let her make her own choice about it. If she's a normal girl, she won't be all that interested in sports. If she happens to be one of the girls who do like sports, steer her away from sports with physical contact and into something like tennis or volleyball. She'll be at far less risk for serious, debilitating injury that way.

    My daughter runs track and has taken dance lessons. She's fairly athletic, but she isn't really all that keen on sports in general. Her mom was very athletic (all state swimmer), but also not all that interested in sports -- I'm pretty sure she would have preferred water ballet to swimming the 400m medley. It seems a lot of parents of high school girls starting in the late 90s really pushed their girls into sports. I'm not sure why. It doesn't make much sense to me, but then again I'm not a particularly ambitious person. And ambition is the only explanation I can think of -- the hope that your kid will show up all the other parents' kids. Unfortunately, parents' ambitions often do not align with those of their children, and that causes problems for the kids.

    In my own family there seems to be a pretty serious case of this. One of my cousins was a very talented female athlete who set the record for the mile at her high school and played soccer for one of the best university teams in the US. My uncle was a professional soccer player in his youth, and he made the game a big part of his relationship with his kids. I don't think he meant any harm, but it's easy to get carried away I guess. Last I heard she's estranged from her parents.

    It seems to be an American problem. One of my local acquaintances - a Croatian fishmonger - played for the Italian premier league in the 80s (poor guy had to defend against Diego Maradonna), and he never pushed his daughter into sports at all and doesn't seem to regret not doing so.

    I see some people here arguing for pushing girls into STEM education instead of sports. This is a pretty Chinese thing to do, and I disagree with it. It's part of the same trend that's making girls unhappy and maladjusted in the first place. Again, it's naked ambition. Aside from the fact that if you have a nice, cute, white Christian daughter who happens to be intellectually gifted, it's a waste to toss her into the STEM sharkpit where she'll be leered at by death-worshipping pagans from some steaming subcontinental agglomeration and likely outcompeted by tiger daughters for promotions, money, etc., there's a good chance she isn't all that interested in it.

    My daughter's school is trying to push her into the advanced STEM program, and I asked her whether she was interested in it. She admitted that she isn't, so I told her she gets to make that choice, because I'm not going to push her into studying something she doesn't care about. She's the kind of girl who, after reading Gone with the Wind, decided she wanted to make a dress from that period. She's smart, but I don't think boolean algebra is going to "bring her joy."

    If you want your children to be happy, and I think every parent should, you should teach them humility first of all. I think a lot of parents should learn it themselves, too. Unfortunately, we all too often teach them pride and ambition above all, and it often ends badly.

    Great post; thanks much.

  61. Why we’re pushing our girls into combat-derived activities I have no idea.

    There are only two types of athletes; the soldier or the gladiator. The soldier compete in sports that can have uses in warfare, the gladiator in entertainment. Women should only be gladiators.

    [Women] judge themselves and each other by how aggressive and will-driven they are

    This is sexual marked dynamics. Many people ape what they find attractive in a possible partner in hope of attracting that type of partner. If a man want a pussycat he must treat that aggressive woman with a (metaphorical) whip.

    We’re actively discouraging our girls from realizing themselves as women.

    Culture are forcing women into roles Nature have never prepared them for. It’s no wonder many are neurotic and unhappy.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "If a man want a pussycat he must treat that aggressive woman with a (metaphorical) whip."

    Well, do not be a bogart here. Reveal to the viewing audience what methods you employed to "tame" your aggressive (white) wife. How did you "ape" her?

  62. @Anon

    Of course modern women need something new to fill their time
     
    Do they though? What about raising children?

    That’s expensive now. And with all the massive debt, crappy jobs and economic insecurity, people (at least of the more responsible sort) are reluctant to commit to something like that.

    Having kids is a statement of optimism about the future (if you have the self-control not to do it at 15, anyway). The young are understandably pretty pessimistic.

  63. @Bill P
    If you don't want your daughter to be a jock, just let her make her own choice about it. If she's a normal girl, she won't be all that interested in sports. If she happens to be one of the girls who do like sports, steer her away from sports with physical contact and into something like tennis or volleyball. She'll be at far less risk for serious, debilitating injury that way.

    My daughter runs track and has taken dance lessons. She's fairly athletic, but she isn't really all that keen on sports in general. Her mom was very athletic (all state swimmer), but also not all that interested in sports -- I'm pretty sure she would have preferred water ballet to swimming the 400m medley. It seems a lot of parents of high school girls starting in the late 90s really pushed their girls into sports. I'm not sure why. It doesn't make much sense to me, but then again I'm not a particularly ambitious person. And ambition is the only explanation I can think of -- the hope that your kid will show up all the other parents' kids. Unfortunately, parents' ambitions often do not align with those of their children, and that causes problems for the kids.

    In my own family there seems to be a pretty serious case of this. One of my cousins was a very talented female athlete who set the record for the mile at her high school and played soccer for one of the best university teams in the US. My uncle was a professional soccer player in his youth, and he made the game a big part of his relationship with his kids. I don't think he meant any harm, but it's easy to get carried away I guess. Last I heard she's estranged from her parents.

    It seems to be an American problem. One of my local acquaintances - a Croatian fishmonger - played for the Italian premier league in the 80s (poor guy had to defend against Diego Maradonna), and he never pushed his daughter into sports at all and doesn't seem to regret not doing so.

    I see some people here arguing for pushing girls into STEM education instead of sports. This is a pretty Chinese thing to do, and I disagree with it. It's part of the same trend that's making girls unhappy and maladjusted in the first place. Again, it's naked ambition. Aside from the fact that if you have a nice, cute, white Christian daughter who happens to be intellectually gifted, it's a waste to toss her into the STEM sharkpit where she'll be leered at by death-worshipping pagans from some steaming subcontinental agglomeration and likely outcompeted by tiger daughters for promotions, money, etc., there's a good chance she isn't all that interested in it.

    My daughter's school is trying to push her into the advanced STEM program, and I asked her whether she was interested in it. She admitted that she isn't, so I told her she gets to make that choice, because I'm not going to push her into studying something she doesn't care about. She's the kind of girl who, after reading Gone with the Wind, decided she wanted to make a dress from that period. She's smart, but I don't think boolean algebra is going to "bring her joy."

    If you want your children to be happy, and I think every parent should, you should teach them humility first of all. I think a lot of parents should learn it themselves, too. Unfortunately, we all too often teach them pride and ambition above all, and it often ends badly.

    “Unfortunately, parents’ ambitions often do not align with those of their children, and that causes problems for the kids.”

    This is a completely apolitical point I think is worth underlining, and true across the spectrum, I think. Too many parents make the kids do something the parents are more excited about than the kids are. Granted, if they want to do the arts, you’d better help them have a backup plan, but just because you’re a programmer and your daughter has talent for it, well, if she doesn’t want to, don’t make her. (If she does, I disagree with you–she can ride the affirmative action train to a sinecure and a well-earning husband too shy to cheat on her and too wimpy to beat her, which are the things you usually worry about with men.)

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes

    " Granted, if they want to do the arts, you’d better help them have a backup plan..."
     
    For my thirteenth birthday I received a box of oil paints and brushes from my Mom and a push broom from my Dad.
  64. Couldn’t agree more. Women’s sport in the West only kicked off when feminism starting pumping. It should die the same death feminism should

    I had my revelation here as a teacher watching a girl run the 800m at a school carnival.

    This particular lass had hit puberty in the full, had a heaving bosom and that peculiar waddle ladies get when they try to run after their hips have gotten prepped for child bearing. She was red in the face, heaving, looking like a graceless mess and I was screaming at her from the sidelines “RUN! RUN! Comorn! GET INTO IT! WHAT ARE YOU, SOME KIND OF WOMAN….”

    The shout died on my lips as it hit me – she WAS a woman, and she was suffering doing man-stuff because we have retardedly ditched everything our ancestors knew. I felt just as ashamed as if I’d mocked a dude for not wanting to go to a high tea in a skirt.

    I have three daughters and a son now. Sports will only be mandatory for the lad, while I’ll focus on making ladies out of the other three who would be worth taking the risk of marrying. Wish me luck.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "I have three daughters and a son now. Sports will only be mandatory for the lad, while I’ll focus on making ladies out of the other three who would be worth taking the risk of marrying."

    You're going to need all the luck in the world with that attitude, friend!
  65. With the new focus on ‘toxic masculinity’ and making it harassment or rape to ask a girl out, they are trying to do the same to boys. Trying to wipe out sex differences strikes me as a social engineering project only slightly less disastrous than Communism.

  66. @The Last Real Calvinist
    You replied very quickly to my post -- I actually went back and deleted that line during the editing window. I agree that it's not the main criticism of the article.

    OK — I didn’t know that 1) it was possible to reply to a comment before it was approved, and/or 2) a comment is normally approved before the editing window expires — ? — the Unz site clearly knows and remembers my IP, so I can see my comments awaiting approval — but no one else’s unapproved comments — I assume it is the same for everyone.

    • Replies: @res
    Some commenters are auto-approved (by iSteve, the auto approval is done per blogger/columnist as they see fit). This means you can see their comments while the editing window is live. If you are concerned about replying to a comment which might change, just check the time stamp on the comment you are replying to. The five minute window is not that long, so in practice this isn't much of a problem.
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    the Unz site clearly knows and remembers my IP, so I can see my comments awaiting approval
     
    You're doing better than I am, my friend. My comments no longer even appear in the moderation queue. They completely disappear after I hit "Publish Comment," and I just have to hope for the best.

    It's been this way for a few weeks.
  67. @Peter Akuleyev
    Have you actually been to Eastern Europe? There tend to be a lot of romantic notions about Eastern Europe floating around the blogosphere. I know a lot of American men who have been burned very badly by relationships with women from Slavic countries. Maybe American men are no longer capable of seeing beyond the charm and seduction and have become easy marks for women who are actually a lot smarter and more ambitious than they are.

    I think what a lot of these ‘game’ expats are running into are women after their money, and they think they’re being successful off their charisma (or something), and the women are just truly romantic and feminine. That gets tied in with the right-wing politics and they think these places are just perfect. (Of course, just because they’re making a nice ethnonationalist state for their citizens doesn’t mean they’ll make it for *you*, Yankee…that makes it less likely if anything.)

    • Replies: @Anon
    And this is based on what? Do you have any experience?

    One time a man visited his village after having been away for many years. He ran into an acquaintance, who informed him that another man from their village had become a high court judge. "Oh no," said the man. "No, that cannot be right." "Yes, he is now a judge," said his friend. "I have seen him sitting on the bench." The man replied, "Maybe, but I don't think he is getting any salary."
  68. @Reg Cæsar

    Pushing our girls into sports has played a role in the creation of a couple of generations of young American women who are completely graceless and out of tune with their feminine natures.
     
    The difference would jump out at American guys who went to Europe to study as recently as 20 years ago. Even in Scandinavia the girls were radically more feminine than in the US when I went there in the '80s. (For a long time after I preferred unshaven legs, as I associated them with that very femininity. Not that Nordic girls are all that hirsute.) Many of them knitted, though there were economic reasons for that as well.

    However, the American girls I knew weren't that big into sports, either. Something else was discouraging their feminine side.

    The most feminine-- and happiest-- women I knew in 30 years in the Twin Cities were the Somalis. They were encouraged to be themselves.

    I’ve been to 20+ countries.

    For me, it is always an incredible breath of fresh air to note how much happier and more feminine women are in every one of those countries versus the US.

    The Leftist/Feminazi program in the US really has changed the mindset of young American women, and not for the better.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    It’s not leftists/feminazis pushing their girls into sports or STEM or whatever other masculine pursuit pops into their heads.

    It’s parents. Leftists/feminazis don’t have kids.
  69. @Reg Cæsar

    Pushing our girls into sports has played a role in the creation of a couple of generations of young American women who are completely graceless and out of tune with their feminine natures.
     
    The difference would jump out at American guys who went to Europe to study as recently as 20 years ago. Even in Scandinavia the girls were radically more feminine than in the US when I went there in the '80s. (For a long time after I preferred unshaven legs, as I associated them with that very femininity. Not that Nordic girls are all that hirsute.) Many of them knitted, though there were economic reasons for that as well.

    However, the American girls I knew weren't that big into sports, either. Something else was discouraging their feminine side.

    The most feminine-- and happiest-- women I knew in 30 years in the Twin Cities were the Somalis. They were encouraged to be themselves.

    Oh hell yes. I lived in Europe from the late 60’s to the late 70’s, with stints in the 80’s and early 90’s.
    The difference in femininity was tremendous. I remember discussing this with some of my fellow expats back in the States, it was a commonly agreed upon belief.
    I’ve often felt that the much more prevalent use of the birth control pill in the States at that time had a lot to do with it.

  70. @Charlesz Martel
    Trust me, he's 100% correct, unfortunately.

    I live in a world of young people 30-40 years younger than me. (The business I'm in). Finding a feminine, charming, graceful young woman who enjoys being a woman is fairly rare. In Europe, much less so.

    American young people have been poisoned by our culture.

    “American young people have been poisoned by our culture.”

    Absolutely true. And the key is that it is ‘our’ culture in the sense that it is WASP culture playing out, going to its logical ends. All whites eventually assimilated to Yank WASP culture. And we have been poisoned.

    To make that point in keeping with the specific subject: the first Feminist conference was not a Jewish affair. The Seneca Falls Convention was held in Seneca Falls, NY in 1848. 100% of the attendees were Yankee WASPs. The movement had grown directly out of Abolitionism (proving from the start that BROs come before HOs in reformer/progressive/liberal WASPism). The leaders were all aware of, and stridently proud of, being spiritual and political and cultural heirs of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism in its larger sense of all groups that opposed monarchy, landed aristocracy, pre-Reformation traditions of any kind, and anything to do with ‘church’ that could be seen as some kind of leftover from Catholicism. They were the perfect mix of Anglo-Saxon Puritan in the specific sense with Quaker.

    And their fruits long term are poison.

    • Replies: @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree

    To make that point in keeping with the specific subject: the first Feminist conference was not a Jewish affair. The Seneca Falls Convention was held in Seneca Falls, NY in 1848. 100% of the attendees were Yankee WASPs. The movement had grown directly out of Abolitionism...
     
    You've persuaded me the WASP/Puritans pioneered much social damage to The West and have me suspecting the Jews have never invented anything and even copy the initiatives conceived by others when doing their diabolical Jew evil.

    ...(proving from the start that BROs come before HOs in reformer/progressive/liberal WASPism).
     
    Well, now nobody can say Catholic critics of evil lack a sense of humor or that rappers can out-rhyme us. (Anybody black inclined to fault us for that little piece of fun needs to check their black brothers who put that filth out loudly in the public space, not us for ridiculing it here among adults!)

    The leaders were all aware of, and stridently proud of, being spiritual and political and cultural heirs of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism in its larger sense of all groups that opposed monarchy, landed aristocracy, pre-Reformation traditions of any kind, and anything to do with ‘church’ that could be seen as some kind of leftover from Catholicism.
     
    Exactly why the Amsterdam Jews funded the Protestant Reformation, to wipe out all vestiges of the Roman Catholic Church founded by Jesus.
    , @Neil Templeton
    See Burned-Over District. Good ideas perhaps, in moderate doses.
    , @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree

    To make that point in keeping with the specific subject: the first Feminist conference was not a Jewish affair. The Seneca Falls Convention was held in Seneca Falls, NY in 1848. 100% of the attendees were Yankee WASPs. The movement had grown directly out of Abolitionism...
     
    You've persuaded me the WASP/Puritans pioneered much social damage to The West and have me suspecting the Jews have never invented anything and even copy the initiatives conceived by others when doing their diabolical Jew evil.

    ...(proving from the start that BROs come before HOs in reformer/progressive/liberal WASPism).
     
    Well, now nobody can say Catholic critics of evil lack a sense of humor or that rappers can out-rhyme us. (Anybody black inclined to fault us for that little piece of fun needs to check their black brothers who put that filth out loudly in the public space, not us for ridiculing it here among adults!)

    The leaders were all aware of, and stridently proud of, being spiritual and political and cultural heirs of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism in its larger sense of all groups that opposed monarchy, landed aristocracy, pre-Reformation traditions of any kind, and anything to do with ‘church’ that could be seen as some kind of leftover from Catholicism.
     
    Exactly why the Amsterdam Jews who had fled Spain funded the Protestant Reformation, to wipe out all vestiges of the Roman Catholic Church founded by Jesus.
    , @dfordoom

    To make that point in keeping with the specific subject: the first Feminist conference was not a Jewish affair. The Seneca Falls Convention was held in Seneca Falls, NY in 1848. 100% of the attendees were Yankee WASPs. The movement had grown directly out of Abolitionism
     
    Good point. American feminism was definitely a product of Puritanism.

    European feminism (starting with Mary Wollstonecraft in the late 18th century) on the other hand goes back directly to the Enlightenment.

    Of course both Puritanism and the Enlightenment were among the evil fruits of the Reformation.
  71. @SFG
    "Unfortunately, parents’ ambitions often do not align with those of their children, and that causes problems for the kids."

    This is a completely apolitical point I think is worth underlining, and true across the spectrum, I think. Too many parents make the kids do something the parents are more excited about than the kids are. Granted, if they want to do the arts, you'd better help them have a backup plan, but just because you're a programmer and your daughter has talent for it, well, if she doesn't want to, don't make her. (If she does, I disagree with you--she can ride the affirmative action train to a sinecure and a well-earning husband too shy to cheat on her and too wimpy to beat her, which are the things you usually worry about with men.)

    ” Granted, if they want to do the arts, you’d better help them have a backup plan…”

    For my thirteenth birthday I received a box of oil paints and brushes from my Mom and a push broom from my Dad.

  72. @Bill P
    If you don't want your daughter to be a jock, just let her make her own choice about it. If she's a normal girl, she won't be all that interested in sports. If she happens to be one of the girls who do like sports, steer her away from sports with physical contact and into something like tennis or volleyball. She'll be at far less risk for serious, debilitating injury that way.

    My daughter runs track and has taken dance lessons. She's fairly athletic, but she isn't really all that keen on sports in general. Her mom was very athletic (all state swimmer), but also not all that interested in sports -- I'm pretty sure she would have preferred water ballet to swimming the 400m medley. It seems a lot of parents of high school girls starting in the late 90s really pushed their girls into sports. I'm not sure why. It doesn't make much sense to me, but then again I'm not a particularly ambitious person. And ambition is the only explanation I can think of -- the hope that your kid will show up all the other parents' kids. Unfortunately, parents' ambitions often do not align with those of their children, and that causes problems for the kids.

    In my own family there seems to be a pretty serious case of this. One of my cousins was a very talented female athlete who set the record for the mile at her high school and played soccer for one of the best university teams in the US. My uncle was a professional soccer player in his youth, and he made the game a big part of his relationship with his kids. I don't think he meant any harm, but it's easy to get carried away I guess. Last I heard she's estranged from her parents.

    It seems to be an American problem. One of my local acquaintances - a Croatian fishmonger - played for the Italian premier league in the 80s (poor guy had to defend against Diego Maradonna), and he never pushed his daughter into sports at all and doesn't seem to regret not doing so.

    I see some people here arguing for pushing girls into STEM education instead of sports. This is a pretty Chinese thing to do, and I disagree with it. It's part of the same trend that's making girls unhappy and maladjusted in the first place. Again, it's naked ambition. Aside from the fact that if you have a nice, cute, white Christian daughter who happens to be intellectually gifted, it's a waste to toss her into the STEM sharkpit where she'll be leered at by death-worshipping pagans from some steaming subcontinental agglomeration and likely outcompeted by tiger daughters for promotions, money, etc., there's a good chance she isn't all that interested in it.

    My daughter's school is trying to push her into the advanced STEM program, and I asked her whether she was interested in it. She admitted that she isn't, so I told her she gets to make that choice, because I'm not going to push her into studying something she doesn't care about. She's the kind of girl who, after reading Gone with the Wind, decided she wanted to make a dress from that period. She's smart, but I don't think boolean algebra is going to "bring her joy."

    If you want your children to be happy, and I think every parent should, you should teach them humility first of all. I think a lot of parents should learn it themselves, too. Unfortunately, we all too often teach them pride and ambition above all, and it often ends badly.

    My daughter’s school is trying to push her into the advanced STEM program, and I asked her whether she was interested in it. She admitted that she isn’t, so I told her she gets to make that choice, because I’m not going to push her into studying something she doesn’t care about.

    …and this is exactly why, other than the 1 in 10 million savant, women do not belong in STEM.

    I applaud your decision as a parent to let your daughter choose the path she feels is best for her.

  73. I can’t speak to the sports but I see many white girls out jogging, it might help with their digure but it’s rough on their knees.

  74. @PhysicistDave
    Paleo Retiree wrote:

    [T]oday’s American girls and young women are generally amazingly clumpy, grace-free and charm-free creatures. They judge themselves and each other by how aggressive and will-driven they are, they have zero clue what it is to be creatures of mystery, style and allure...
     
    Ah, but the flip side of this is that the girls who are graceful, charming young women, especially if they are reasonably intelligent and have some useful or admirable skills, can have their pick of the worthwhile males.

    Mate selection is a zero-sum game.

    Works for men as well.

  75. @eah
    Girls and young women are significantly more vulnerable to serious knee injuries than males -- a number of physiological and anatomical differences seem to contribute to this, eg lower muscle mass and slower reaction time of leg muscles that stabilize the knee.

    link

    Interestingly, women are more prone to injury than men. ACL injuries occur with a four to six fold greater incidence in female compared to male athletes playing the same high-risk sports. The combination of increased risk of ACL injury and a 10-fold increase in sports participation since the enactment of Title IX in 1972 has lead to an almost epidemic rise in ACL injuries in female athletes.

    link

    While girls and young women have gained significant ground in opportunities for participating and competing in sports, the increase in the numbers of young women competing in sports have also revealed an alarming increase in the rate of both acute injuries and chronic anterior knee pain. Unfortunately, the numbers of knee injuries in girls have statistically risen far above those seen in their male peers.

    There was at least one military study which also showed a much greater propensity for females to get leg and knee injuries from the same kind of stresses that male soldiers were regularly expected to endure. But, of course, all of that was ignored in favor of “grrrl power” when the Obama administration decided to let women into the combat arms. So now not only do we have a weaker, less effective, combat force but we also will have to pay out higher disability payments to many more females after they wreck their knees trying to keep up.

  76. One of the great advances of Western Civilization was France’s discovery about a millennium ago of vive la différence.

    Diversity is our strength.

  77. @The Wild Geese Howard
    I've been to 20+ countries.

    For me, it is always an incredible breath of fresh air to note how much happier and more feminine women are in every one of those countries versus the US.

    The Leftist/Feminazi program in the US really has changed the mindset of young American women, and not for the better.

    It’s not leftists/feminazis pushing their girls into sports or STEM or whatever other masculine pursuit pops into their heads.

    It’s parents. Leftists/feminazis don’t have kids.

  78. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charlesz Martel
    Trust me, he's 100% correct, unfortunately.

    I live in a world of young people 30-40 years younger than me. (The business I'm in). Finding a feminine, charming, graceful young woman who enjoys being a woman is fairly rare. In Europe, much less so.

    American young people have been poisoned by our culture.

    What about horse chicks ? They are often lesbians though.

    Im ambivalent about this. exercise promotes good health.

    I liked and respected tomboy chicks as a kid.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    I find that girls that like horses are usually more feminine. I think you're getting it mixed up with Lesbian types that like horse-faced women.
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    Horse chicks are beyond insane. They will never love anything nearly as much as the horse.

    And, oh yeah nominal boyfriend, you can make yourself useful paying for and maintaining the horse as long as you're around...
    , @dr kill
    I've been in the horse business since 1981, mostly at the highest levels. It's been great fun. Everyone is thin and beautiful, even the women.
  79. @Charlesz Martel
    Trust me, he's 100% correct, unfortunately.

    I live in a world of young people 30-40 years younger than me. (The business I'm in). Finding a feminine, charming, graceful young woman who enjoys being a woman is fairly rare. In Europe, much less so.

    American young people have been poisoned by our culture.

    “Interesting. I don’t actually know much about young women these days, so I personally don’t have an opinion.”

    Mr. Sailer, of course you have an opinion. You NOTICE everything! Thanks for being disingenuous.

    “Finding a feminine, charming, graceful young woman who enjoys being a woman is fairly rare.”

    Martel, they are EVERYWHERE!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    No, I don't really know enough young women to have an opinion on generational changes.

    In general, I find generational differences hard to generalize about.

  80. @Joshua
    Couldn't agree more. Women's sport in the West only kicked off when feminism starting pumping. It should die the same death feminism should

    I had my revelation here as a teacher watching a girl run the 800m at a school carnival.

    This particular lass had hit puberty in the full, had a heaving bosom and that peculiar waddle ladies get when they try to run after their hips have gotten prepped for child bearing. She was red in the face, heaving, looking like a graceless mess and I was screaming at her from the sidelines "RUN! RUN! Comorn! GET INTO IT! WHAT ARE YOU, SOME KIND OF WOMAN...."

    The shout died on my lips as it hit me - she WAS a woman, and she was suffering doing man-stuff because we have retardedly ditched everything our ancestors knew. I felt just as ashamed as if I'd mocked a dude for not wanting to go to a high tea in a skirt.

    I have three daughters and a son now. Sports will only be mandatory for the lad, while I'll focus on making ladies out of the other three who would be worth taking the risk of marrying. Wish me luck.

    “I have three daughters and a son now. Sports will only be mandatory for the lad, while I’ll focus on making ladies out of the other three who would be worth taking the risk of marrying.”

    You’re going to need all the luck in the world with that attitude, friend!

  81. This goes a long way to explaining why women’s sports are less popular than men’s sports, even though the population is 50/50 male/female. Men are more interested in sports than women, and men are more interested in men’s sports than women are in women’s sports.

    As far as I can tell, at most U.S. universities male students show up at men’s basketball games but female students do not show up at women’s basketball games. (This is true in my experience even at schools where the women’s basketball team is very good.)

  82. Interesting. I don’t actually know much about young women these days, so I personally don’t have an opinion.

    Steve Sailer has crossed a line which must not be crossed.

    I am calling bullshit on Steve Sailer’s comment that he has no opinion on young women. The qualifier “these days” doesn’t let him off the hook.

    It is an outrage beyond description.

    Baby boomers David Byrne and Chris Frantz wrote:

    The world moves on a woman’s hips

    The world moves and it swivels and bops

    The world moves on a woman’s hips

    The world moves and it bounces and hops

    Sailer’s outrages have become more bold and have become immeasurably more outrageous.

    Steve Sailer says he don’t know much about young women these days? Steve Sailer has a radical disinterest in monetary policy? Steve Sailer has taken to claiming an extra one eighth of an inch on his self-reported height of six feet four inches tall just to get on the nerves of short guys?

    This Blogger Knows No Bounds! This Blogger Is An Outrager In The Hands Of An Angry Unz Review Commentariat!

    Nobody knows shit about young women — and that most especially includes young women themselves — and that is what makes them delightful and attractive.

    Warren Beatty at his athletic prime of pussy pounding had the same amount of knowledge about young women as some pimply-faced, chicken-chested ugly fop who never caught the eye of a young woman anywhere at anytime. Warren Beatty at his tail chasing prime and the ugly fop share this amount of knowledge about young women: they know NOTHING about them!

    This isn’t to say that Warren Beatty hadn’t acquired some basic understanding of the young women he was making the beast with two backs with. It is simply to say that these young women are and were made by God and Mother Nature to be unfamothable to human perception.

  83. @Peter Akuleyev
    Have you actually been to Eastern Europe? There tend to be a lot of romantic notions about Eastern Europe floating around the blogosphere. I know a lot of American men who have been burned very badly by relationships with women from Slavic countries. Maybe American men are no longer capable of seeing beyond the charm and seduction and have become easy marks for women who are actually a lot smarter and more ambitious than they are.

    No, he’s right. You do insert a dose of necessary corrective realism, but ex- socialist countries are, with all their troubles I need not expatiate upon, much healthier in this regard….

  84. @SimpleSong
    Having had both boys and girls it is obvious that girls really don't have a lot of natural affinity towards sports, but as they tend to conform more to social expectations (compared to boys) they can be pushed that way fairly easily if you want to. But why would you want to, if they don't show much interest? What's wrong with being a girl and liking girly things? It seems like there is a lot of self-loathing in American women, the rotten core of feminism is not that they hate men, it is that they hate women. Feminism disdains the feminine! I can't understand why you would denigrate motherhood, literally the most important thing for the species, for the entire biosphere actually, and elevate girls playing sportsball. Just don't get it.

    Also, protip from an old man, if you want to push your girl into something traditionally male in order to make it easier for her to get into college/get scholarship money, think STEM, not sports. Trust me on this one.

    The Greatest Generation worshipped the Almighty God of their ancestors, but the know-it-all Boomers worship the almighty STEM.

    Good advice, hot shot, send her right into the H1B buzzsaw and the heart of the backlash against all the AA bullshit. I understand y’all regressing to the mean, but this is embarrassing.

    • Agree: Intelligent Dasein
  85. Anonymous[759] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charlesz Martel
    Trust me, he's 100% correct, unfortunately.

    I live in a world of young people 30-40 years younger than me. (The business I'm in). Finding a feminine, charming, graceful young woman who enjoys being a woman is fairly rare. In Europe, much less so.

    American young people have been poisoned by our culture.

    I live in a world of young people 30-40 years younger than me. (The business I’m in). Finding a feminine, charming, graceful young woman who enjoys being a woman is fairly rare. In Europe, much less so.

    The commenter prosa123, at comment #6, disagrees with you.

  86. Anonymous[759] • Disclaimer says:
    @Moses

    We’re actively discouraging our girls from realizing themselves as women. Awesome cultural achievement, America.
     
    Yeah, this.

    I have 4 younger female cousins in their 20s to mid 30s.

    Not one is feminine or alluring. A few sure can swear though.

    One got in trouble with drugs. Her parents bailed her out with an expensive rehab. Another is into cosplay and claims she's a lesbian. A third dropped out of uni, lives with her boyfriend. Her boyfriend is a homeowner and has his act together with a good career, but the jury is out whether he'll wife her up or discard her later for a younger model.

    The last one got married at 35. She leaves her daughter with her mother for daycare. A worker bee who has been brainwashed that her value as a woman is derived from cubicle work to make money for a faceless corporation.

    My wife and I discussed sending our daughters to finishing school when they're older. Not only is it right, but I figure our daughters training in the feminine arts gives them a big leg up on the competition to marry a good man.

    The challenge I haven't figured out yet is how to shield them from the corrupting dreck that is mainstream culture in America today.

    Her boyfriend is a homeowner and has his act together with a good career, but the jury is out whether he’ll wife her up or discard her later for a younger model.

    What is his career?

  87. The US Women’s Soccer Team has some fine looking ladies. Some of them posed in swim attire or nearly naked for the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue.

    Alex Morgan and Abby Dahlkemper are my favorites.

    They are both about 5 feet 7 inches tall and they have delightful figures and they both have some German ancestry.

    I have noticed that the young ladies who pose for the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue have begun showing off just about every damn thing they have to show off. The editors make sure the pictures are semi-demure so as to not enter Beaverton, Oregon territory. But, alas, in these decadent times, I’m sure the photo editors of the future will head out to the Beaverton, Oregon Territory soon enough.

    This young lady soccer player — Abby Dahlkemper — gets cheeky:

    https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/mm/image?url=https://cdn-s3.si.com/images/X162521_TK4_08058_rawfinal1920.jpg&q=60

  88. Anonymous[759] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave
    Paleo Retiree wrote:

    [T]oday’s American girls and young women are generally amazingly clumpy, grace-free and charm-free creatures. They judge themselves and each other by how aggressive and will-driven they are, they have zero clue what it is to be creatures of mystery, style and allure...
     
    Ah, but the flip side of this is that the girls who are graceful, charming young women, especially if they are reasonably intelligent and have some useful or admirable skills, can have their pick of the worthwhile males.

    Mate selection is a zero-sum game.

    Ah, but the flip side of this is that the girls who are graceful, charming young women, especially if they are reasonably intelligent and have some useful or admirable skills, can have their pick of the worthwhile males.

    Nope. Not if you mean having their pick of worthwhile husbands. Even very appealing women are having difficulty getting men to commit to marriage.

    • Replies: @Flip

    Nope. Not if you mean having their pick of worthwhile husbands. Even very appealing women are having difficulty getting men to commit to marriage.
     
    That's because a lot of women think it is commitment until they get tired of you or someone better comes along instead of until death.

    I've had several friends who have come home to their wives informing them out of the blue that the marriage is over and they need to move out. They often have a boyfriend in the wings.
    , @Stebbing Heuer
    What Flip said.
    Modern society doesn't support marriage for men, so many men are avoiding it.
    , @Desiderius
    And very appealing men keep getting friend zoned.

    All that means is that they need to step their game up. For me that meant being more masculine. For them it likely means more feminine. And that’s Mother Nature’s doing, not the patriarchy.
  89. anon[759] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon7
    In the early days of the Russian revolution, the Zhenotdel (Женотдел), the women’s department (женское отделение) of the Communist party was formed. The intention was to liberate women by destroying their old roles in the family, a bourgeois and therefore corrupt institution. One of their first reforms was the provision of abortion on demand for the first time in any country. De-veiling was carried out in Muslim Central Asia. Women who cared for their own children were declared selfish; much better for the village to care for the child.

    The results were catastrophic. In the Russian capital of Petrograd, ninety percent of women were on state assistance. In Muslim areas, women who divorced were murdered or forced into prostitution. It got so bad that Stalin finally disbanded the Zhenotdel in 1930, declaring it a success.

    In the early days of the Russian revolution, the Zhenotdel (Женотдел), the women’s department (женское отделение) of the Communist party was formed. The intention was to liberate women by destroying their old roles in the family, a bourgeois and therefore corrupt institution. One of their first reforms was the provision of abortion on demand for the first time in any country. De-veiling was carried out in Muslim Central Asia. Women who cared for their own children were declared selfish; much better for the village to care for the child.

    One is almost tempted to conclude from this and other policies that the masterminds of the revolution wanted to genocide the Russian people and other Gentile identity groups.

    • Replies: @nglaer
    Is that where Hillary's book title came from?
  90. Anonymous[727] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    The most feminine– and happiest– women I knew in 30 years in the Twin Cities were the Somalis. They were encouraged to be themselves.
     
    FWIW, Somalis have the highest rate of female genital mutilation in the world:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation#Prevalence

    The highest concentrations among the 15–49 age group are in Somalia (98 percent)
     

    But aren’t the (((Strauss-Kahns))) and the Rochdale sexual predators similarly “corrected”? No male seems more interested in sex than those whose genitals have been mutilated.

  91. @Anon7
    From my personal experience with high school moms, women push their girls into sports because it 1) forces them to focus on passing their classes, otherwise you're off the team, 2) keeps them away from boys, because they're just too busy. Women's sports in high school are absolutely crazy now, overboard, relentlessly active. That's just the way the moms like their girls. Also, these older feminist women think that men constantly use sports metaphors, and without sports, their girls would not know the vocabulary of power.

    But then, when they go to college, and have no more sports, they've become habituated to about 3,000 calories per week more food than they need. And now there's no one to tell them to go to practice, exercise, work out, etc.

    Look up "freshman 15" - ha, all I had to type into google was "freshman " and I got it. I see these girls shambling around campus all the time.

    Of course Paleo Retiree is right. Psychologist Jordan Peterson spent years doing therapy work with smart career women, and he says that getting married and having babies is all they can think about. But they never learned the skills as girls.

    Participation in girls sports isn’t that high- maybe a 1/4 of high schoolers. Similar rate for boys, although middle class white girls probably participate at higher rates than middle class white boys. It’s true there is the freshman 15, but girls (and boys, minus the ones who take steroids/protein and mess up their metabolisms) who participate in sports or really any high intensity activity (dance, hiking or fitness classes suffice too) do tend to be thinner and healthier for life than those who aren’t in involved in such activities. Freshman 15 on a girl who is already thin/fit looks better than on someone who already has the shape of a 30 year old woman at 18. And take a glance at high schoolers who don’t do sports- unless they are nerds or on drugs they tend to be pretty thick.

    I honestly don’t know a single female from my various high school sports teams who is currently overweight or unhappy, a decade later. But among my peers who didn’t play sports, I’d say at least half are grossly overweight, and as a result most of that group don’t seem that happy. It’s harder for overweight women to find partners too so a lot of them are alone.

    I don’t think a lot of y’all who are older (because boomers were not fat as young people) or live on the West or East Coast grasp how bad the obesity epidemic is in flyover country. It’s partially the food, it’s partially because of car culture. I’m always harping on it because I see it as a very obvious sign of the decline of our nation.

    My point is there are deeper roots than sports as to why modern American women are “graceless.” Look into hormonal birth control or tv/media more. Perhaps also look to young men and video games too…they definitely aren’t very suave.

    • Agree: Peter Akuleyev
    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    I don’t think a lot of y’all who are older (because boomers were not fat as young people) or live on the West or East Coast grasp how bad the obesity epidemic is in flyover country. It’s partially the food, it’s partially because of car culture. I’m always harping on it because I see it as a very obvious sign of the decline of our nation.
     
    Bang!

    Since AnotherMom decided we'd gray up in Florida, i've had this shoved in my face on the beach everyday.

    To be fair i need to lose ten pounds myself--since we retirees are forcing the tourists to look at us old timers strolling the beach, we ought to be at our wrinkly best.

    But, holy cow, it's bad out there. Striking so where it ought not to be--not just the middle aged, but among fairly young people. Fats and tats. And man is it ugly. If my 70s college class time travelled to debark upon our beach at spring break, people would be stunned by these gorgeous young clean skinned, unfat bodies.
  92. @Anonymous
    "Fox, FS1 ratings show that women's fights are exceptionally popular with UFC fans"

    https://sports.yahoo.com/news/fox-fs1-ratings-show-that-womens-fights-are-exceptionally-popular-with-ufc-fans-183134436.html

    This was the big knockout from a couple weeks ago:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bViqvrh4_HQ

    Reminds me of the first and only time I saw a muay thai fight. It was in Thailand (Koh Samui, which is an island) and, after a number of different fights between men, the last one was between women. Didn’t sit so well with me to see them pummeling each other, but I got over it quickly when I realized any one of those girls could probably put me down through sheer training. The winner was a very aggressive Aussie chick, who beat the snot out of a Thai girl. That trip held numerous firsts for me – first recognizable ladyboys seen, first gay tour guide who insisted I call him Jessica and first muay thai fight.

  93. @Anon7
    From my personal experience with high school moms, women push their girls into sports because it 1) forces them to focus on passing their classes, otherwise you're off the team, 2) keeps them away from boys, because they're just too busy. Women's sports in high school are absolutely crazy now, overboard, relentlessly active. That's just the way the moms like their girls. Also, these older feminist women think that men constantly use sports metaphors, and without sports, their girls would not know the vocabulary of power.

    But then, when they go to college, and have no more sports, they've become habituated to about 3,000 calories per week more food than they need. And now there's no one to tell them to go to practice, exercise, work out, etc.

    Look up "freshman 15" - ha, all I had to type into google was "freshman " and I got it. I see these girls shambling around campus all the time.

    Of course Paleo Retiree is right. Psychologist Jordan Peterson spent years doing therapy work with smart career women, and he says that getting married and having babies is all they can think about. But they never learned the skills as girls.

    Look up “freshman 15” – ha, all I had to type into google was “freshman ” and I got it. I see these girls shambling around campus all the time.

    The residential University warehousing thousands of 18-22 year olds is a wholly unnatural experience.

    I’m convinced that a supply of constantly available high carb, high fat, high sugar foods is part of the program to mollify them and keep them under control.

    Of course Paleo Retiree is right. Psychologist Jordan Peterson spent years doing therapy work with smart career women, and he says that getting married and having babies is all they can think about. But they never learned the skills as girls.

    The modern workplace is atomizing and alienating in ways that we haven’t ever experienced before. This is psychologically taxing to humans, of course including women. But it is probably significantly more taxing for women insofar as they require more social interaction in a given day than do men.

    The proportion of these women on psychotropic medications to compensate for the psychological distress of their daily existence is staggering.

    The arrangement of the modern world is making us sick and depressed, and the only thing on offer is more of the same via competition from automation and immigrant labor up and down the pay scale.

    These women you’re speaking about aren’t just longing for a husband and child, although this is a large part of it. They’re longing for a social existence as part of their daily lives.

  94. @Bill P
    If you don't want your daughter to be a jock, just let her make her own choice about it. If she's a normal girl, she won't be all that interested in sports. If she happens to be one of the girls who do like sports, steer her away from sports with physical contact and into something like tennis or volleyball. She'll be at far less risk for serious, debilitating injury that way.

    My daughter runs track and has taken dance lessons. She's fairly athletic, but she isn't really all that keen on sports in general. Her mom was very athletic (all state swimmer), but also not all that interested in sports -- I'm pretty sure she would have preferred water ballet to swimming the 400m medley. It seems a lot of parents of high school girls starting in the late 90s really pushed their girls into sports. I'm not sure why. It doesn't make much sense to me, but then again I'm not a particularly ambitious person. And ambition is the only explanation I can think of -- the hope that your kid will show up all the other parents' kids. Unfortunately, parents' ambitions often do not align with those of their children, and that causes problems for the kids.

    In my own family there seems to be a pretty serious case of this. One of my cousins was a very talented female athlete who set the record for the mile at her high school and played soccer for one of the best university teams in the US. My uncle was a professional soccer player in his youth, and he made the game a big part of his relationship with his kids. I don't think he meant any harm, but it's easy to get carried away I guess. Last I heard she's estranged from her parents.

    It seems to be an American problem. One of my local acquaintances - a Croatian fishmonger - played for the Italian premier league in the 80s (poor guy had to defend against Diego Maradonna), and he never pushed his daughter into sports at all and doesn't seem to regret not doing so.

    I see some people here arguing for pushing girls into STEM education instead of sports. This is a pretty Chinese thing to do, and I disagree with it. It's part of the same trend that's making girls unhappy and maladjusted in the first place. Again, it's naked ambition. Aside from the fact that if you have a nice, cute, white Christian daughter who happens to be intellectually gifted, it's a waste to toss her into the STEM sharkpit where she'll be leered at by death-worshipping pagans from some steaming subcontinental agglomeration and likely outcompeted by tiger daughters for promotions, money, etc., there's a good chance she isn't all that interested in it.

    My daughter's school is trying to push her into the advanced STEM program, and I asked her whether she was interested in it. She admitted that she isn't, so I told her she gets to make that choice, because I'm not going to push her into studying something she doesn't care about. She's the kind of girl who, after reading Gone with the Wind, decided she wanted to make a dress from that period. She's smart, but I don't think boolean algebra is going to "bring her joy."

    If you want your children to be happy, and I think every parent should, you should teach them humility first of all. I think a lot of parents should learn it themselves, too. Unfortunately, we all too often teach them pride and ambition above all, and it often ends badly.

    I know a guy who was coaching one of my daughters for a specific position in a sport.
    He said the most important thing for that position is the brain. That could be said for all of sports.

    My oldest daughter is the most athletic of my kids. She also did about the least organized sports, especially at the high school level. Coaches told her she had D-1 talent, but she didn’t care. She played for the fun of it. When organized sports stopped being fun, she stopped playing. She had a rather meteoric rise and fall. She started her best sport in the 7th grade. Fall of the 8th grade she was on a 12U recreational league team. Spring of 8th grade she was on a 14U rec team. By the end of the summer she was playing 14U tournaments. Fall of 9th grade she was recruited to play 16U tournaments. Head coach told her he was going to mold her into a D-1 player. Then it stopped being fun. So she quit. She did play a few low level games the next spring with her friends. It was interesting to see how much she completely dominated the game, but she was with her friends so it was more fun than being groomed for D-1. When her friends left the game, so did she.

    Her boyfriend is the son of a former pro athlete. The two of them go to the gym a lot, run and bike for fun, and stay in shape. They just don’t play organized sports anymore.

    My son was a middle of the road HS athlete. He really wanted to be on a D-3 college team. He was obsessed with his sport. He is still involved now he has a career. He practiced two hours a day and hit the gym another two hours on his own in college. He was one of the stars of his team by the end of his sophomore year on one of the best D-3 teams in the country for his sport.

    What is the lesson? The kid won’t be a star unless the kid wants to be a star. When my daughter wanted to quit her team, the assistant coach told me he destroyed his relationship with his sons by forcing them to play a sport they had grown tired of. He told me the best way to preserve my relationship with my daughter was to let her quit the team. I did, and I have a great relationship with my daughter.

    • Agree: prosa123
    • Replies: @Bill P
    I was like your daughter. Right about age 17, I got tired of sports, and even though I was being recruited by some prestigious schools I just didn't care anymore. My parents were very upset, but the funny thing is that when you're a trained athlete by age 17 you aren't very easy to push around.

    As it turned out, I needed time to sort myself out anyway (an ongoing process I must admit). If I'd gone to one of those schools as an athlete I would have failed spectacularly. Not from lack of ability, but from lack of purpose, which is arguably more impoortant as your experience as a parent suggests.

    Sounds like you made the right choice with your daughter. I hope I have a great relationship with mine when she's all grown up. I have to say, as much as I enjoy my time with my sons, she makes me glad I've got a girl, too.
  95. @Anon

    Of course modern women need something new to fill their time
     
    Do they though? What about raising children?

    Raising children has become a thankless task.

    First of all, in the 21st century only women married to men in the upper income bracket can afford to raise children, or at least that is how most middle class women perceive the world.

    Then the women who can afford to stay home in the modern world with their kids are rarely happy. On this Hillary Clinton kind of had a point with her village bit. Women are naturally evolved to raise children in a group, with other women. It is not natural for a mother to stay home day after day by herself trying to entertain her own children. Even into the 1970s we still had neighborhoods where many women stayed home, and everyone kind of looked after everyone’s kids. Women in that era also had no problem letting their children run off to play in the park or the streets for hours at a time, and were able to hang out with other women, gossip, do some housework and enjoy life. Today a woman who stays home is often isolated, becomes an unpaid chauffeur driving the kids from activity to activity and gets at best mild condescension from her female college classmates, who are all making six figures in marketing or law. How do you propose to change that dynamic? Realistically?

    • Replies: @Smithsonian
    Yeah, that isolation is a big problem. Imagine if you were a stay at home dad and your mates were out at work all day,rather than available for a couple of beers in the back yard while your kids run about the place. Same problem for women, even the ones who stayed home while their kids were young are probably back at work now.
    The desire to have a 'career' is a social thing for women in general.
    , @Spangel
    This is the truth. Working mothers were most unhappy in the 80s when work culture was rather male breadwinner oriented and inflexible. Now with work from home days and more flexibility in leaving to pick up kids early, working while having children is a lot easier.

    Staying at home with kids today is being a somewhat isolated person who mainly repeats a child’s rudimentary routine over and over again day by day. Adults want to hang out with other adults. Not little kids all day long every day. The nannies go to the playground and talk to each other too, but higher iq women probably aren’t satisfied with nanny talk.

    I think the solution is more remote work opportunities. Most office jobs are filler tasks anyways. Women can make brand marketing ppts at home and talk to each other at lunchtime. It also gives them something to do since it’s really not a full time task to tend to your house anymore if your kids are school age and aren’t being homeschooled.
  96. @Bill P
    If you don't want your daughter to be a jock, just let her make her own choice about it. If she's a normal girl, she won't be all that interested in sports. If she happens to be one of the girls who do like sports, steer her away from sports with physical contact and into something like tennis or volleyball. She'll be at far less risk for serious, debilitating injury that way.

    My daughter runs track and has taken dance lessons. She's fairly athletic, but she isn't really all that keen on sports in general. Her mom was very athletic (all state swimmer), but also not all that interested in sports -- I'm pretty sure she would have preferred water ballet to swimming the 400m medley. It seems a lot of parents of high school girls starting in the late 90s really pushed their girls into sports. I'm not sure why. It doesn't make much sense to me, but then again I'm not a particularly ambitious person. And ambition is the only explanation I can think of -- the hope that your kid will show up all the other parents' kids. Unfortunately, parents' ambitions often do not align with those of their children, and that causes problems for the kids.

    In my own family there seems to be a pretty serious case of this. One of my cousins was a very talented female athlete who set the record for the mile at her high school and played soccer for one of the best university teams in the US. My uncle was a professional soccer player in his youth, and he made the game a big part of his relationship with his kids. I don't think he meant any harm, but it's easy to get carried away I guess. Last I heard she's estranged from her parents.

    It seems to be an American problem. One of my local acquaintances - a Croatian fishmonger - played for the Italian premier league in the 80s (poor guy had to defend against Diego Maradonna), and he never pushed his daughter into sports at all and doesn't seem to regret not doing so.

    I see some people here arguing for pushing girls into STEM education instead of sports. This is a pretty Chinese thing to do, and I disagree with it. It's part of the same trend that's making girls unhappy and maladjusted in the first place. Again, it's naked ambition. Aside from the fact that if you have a nice, cute, white Christian daughter who happens to be intellectually gifted, it's a waste to toss her into the STEM sharkpit where she'll be leered at by death-worshipping pagans from some steaming subcontinental agglomeration and likely outcompeted by tiger daughters for promotions, money, etc., there's a good chance she isn't all that interested in it.

    My daughter's school is trying to push her into the advanced STEM program, and I asked her whether she was interested in it. She admitted that she isn't, so I told her she gets to make that choice, because I'm not going to push her into studying something she doesn't care about. She's the kind of girl who, after reading Gone with the Wind, decided she wanted to make a dress from that period. She's smart, but I don't think boolean algebra is going to "bring her joy."

    If you want your children to be happy, and I think every parent should, you should teach them humility first of all. I think a lot of parents should learn it themselves, too. Unfortunately, we all too often teach them pride and ambition above all, and it often ends badly.

    A relative of mine who is an only child was very high performing in fencing. Her dad is a military man and he was very invested in it, making financial sacrifices and driving her around to practice, tournaments, in addition to tutoring for school etc. When she turned 13, she told him she didn’t want to do it anymore, sparking a familial crisis. She did not relent and now just plays some tennis to keep active. I admired her intransigence in standing up to her old man.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    Sounds like she's a chip off the old block. Her dad probably admires her for it, too, whether he admits it or not.
    , @Days of Broken Arrows
    There are more only children now than ever. I wonder if one reason for the uptick in women in sports is that dads with daughters treat them like the son they didn't have.
  97. res says:
    @eah
    OK -- I didn't know that 1) it was possible to reply to a comment before it was approved, and/or 2) a comment is normally approved before the editing window expires -- ? -- the Unz site clearly knows and remembers my IP, so I can see my comments awaiting approval -- but no one else's unapproved comments -- I assume it is the same for everyone.

    Some commenters are auto-approved (by iSteve, the auto approval is done per blogger/columnist as they see fit). This means you can see their comments while the editing window is live. If you are concerned about replying to a comment which might change, just check the time stamp on the comment you are replying to. The five minute window is not that long, so in practice this isn’t much of a problem.

    • Replies: @eah
    I'm not concerned -- I don't really care -- but thanks for the info.
  98. Anon[374] • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG
    I think what a lot of these 'game' expats are running into are women after their money, and they think they're being successful off their charisma (or something), and the women are just truly romantic and feminine. That gets tied in with the right-wing politics and they think these places are just perfect. (Of course, just because they're making a nice ethnonationalist state for their citizens doesn't mean they'll make it for *you*, Yankee...that makes it less likely if anything.)

    And this is based on what? Do you have any experience?

    One time a man visited his village after having been away for many years. He ran into an acquaintance, who informed him that another man from their village had become a high court judge. “Oh no,” said the man. “No, that cannot be right.” “Yes, he is now a judge,” said his friend. “I have seen him sitting on the bench.” The man replied, “Maybe, but I don’t think he is getting any salary.”

  99. @Peter Akuleyev
    Raising children has become a thankless task.

    First of all, in the 21st century only women married to men in the upper income bracket can afford to raise children, or at least that is how most middle class women perceive the world.

    Then the women who can afford to stay home in the modern world with their kids are rarely happy. On this Hillary Clinton kind of had a point with her village bit. Women are naturally evolved to raise children in a group, with other women. It is not natural for a mother to stay home day after day by herself trying to entertain her own children. Even into the 1970s we still had neighborhoods where many women stayed home, and everyone kind of looked after everyone's kids. Women in that era also had no problem letting their children run off to play in the park or the streets for hours at a time, and were able to hang out with other women, gossip, do some housework and enjoy life. Today a woman who stays home is often isolated, becomes an unpaid chauffeur driving the kids from activity to activity and gets at best mild condescension from her female college classmates, who are all making six figures in marketing or law. How do you propose to change that dynamic? Realistically?

    Yeah, that isolation is a big problem. Imagine if you were a stay at home dad and your mates were out at work all day,rather than available for a couple of beers in the back yard while your kids run about the place. Same problem for women, even the ones who stayed home while their kids were young are probably back at work now.
    The desire to have a ‘career’ is a social thing for women in general.

  100. @res
    Some commenters are auto-approved (by iSteve, the auto approval is done per blogger/columnist as they see fit). This means you can see their comments while the editing window is live. If you are concerned about replying to a comment which might change, just check the time stamp on the comment you are replying to. The five minute window is not that long, so in practice this isn't much of a problem.

    I’m not concerned — I don’t really care — but thanks for the info.

  101. @Anonymous
    It's grotesque.

    I'm not a fan of UFC's trashy aesthetic in general. Monster Energy logos everywhere, and the fighters all look like meth addicts or favela dwellers. Very strong Idiocracy vibes. Even the fights usually look like 2 jumpy, jittery guys high on meth scrambling around and fighting each other on the street over change.

    Well said.

  102. Huge Caucasian Shepherd.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    That's one Caucasian nobody's gonna mess with
  103. “…and they’ve got no idea how to run social circles or maintain kitchens and households.”

    A few years ago I went on a family reunion vacation. My generation, in late 40’s, a few survivors from my parents’ generation, around 80, and kids ranging from young adults to children.

    The same people who, 30 years ago, used to cook Thanksgiving dinner (the aunts, mothers, etc) are now nearing 80-they justifiably get a pass from cooking for 15 people while on vacation.

    The women in my generation just aren’t interested in doing it: nobody is stepping up to the plate to make sure the family reunion goes well.

    The women in the next generation down (in their twenties) don’t even consider cooking. Its not even an issue or problem. Even the ones that are still financially dependent on the older generation (usually the men). Cereal and muffins for breakfast, and going out to eat every dinner is a completely natural expectation.

    The problem is that the men don’t do it, either. They work full time: they essentially paid for the vacation. I suppose one could argue that everybody should pitch in, and everybody take turns, and everybody would share in the responsibilities. But that ethic doesn’t exist: there is no social structure for doing traditionally female tasks in that situation. Thus, it doesn’t get done. It could be an intentional debate at the beginning of the vacation: a planning meeting, so to speak, where cooking and feeding chores are doled out based on something (who paid for the trip? amount of work back home? cooking skill? I’m not sure…). But that in itself would be awkward-a battle for who deserves most to not grill steaks every night. Thus, it doesn’t get done.

    As it turned out, once we caught some fish, I, and my 80 year old uncle(who probably paid for half the expenses of the trip), cooked the dinner. Every other meal was either atomized (I ate cereal before anyone woke up, you had a bagel on your lap, etc), or at restaurants.

    joe

    • Replies: @MichiganMom
    That speaks poorly for whoever raised that next generation. I’m a mother of three and still in charge of the big family celebration meals but both my daughter and daughter-in-law are right there in the trenches. My DIL is Eastern European but has been in the States for high school and college.

    I can’t understand the repudiation of traditional female roles by some young women. The first year I cooked Thanksgiving was a big rite of passage for me. Is someone communicating this as a drudgery forced on them?

    We also do big vacations as an extended family and we’ve already been discussing what favorites everyone wants. I can’t picture everyone looking around then eating cereal.
  104. I don’t know. I raised my daughter to love “food! style! social activities! dance!” and she did turn out graceful and charming. She told me she wants to marry someone so she can stay home with the kids and paint. Success! The problem is finding the boy who wants her to stay at home with the kids and paint. It takes two to tango and by tango I mean afford a house in a school district safe for aforesaid children.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    How old is she? My son is 19 and on the way to a great career.

    Hey, we could use this site to hook up traditional couples for the future!
  105. It’s strategic team sports girls really don’t care about. But it’s not as if putting a girl in a little league team makes her butch. For the most part, they do it and don’t really care about it or get into it.

    Individual sports are a maybe. Women have been playing badminton for like a thousand years.

    The more a sport tends towards direct competition, the more male it will be. The more it tends towards routine and exhibition, the more female it will be. Hence, gymnastics and figure skating are female oriented and boxing is male oriented. This isn’t for their safety since figure skating and gymnastics have some of the most severe propensities for injuries. It’s just that girls like showing off their bodies for competition rather than direct combat.

    Almost every hot feminine girl you see these days has played a sport at some point in her youth. It’s just a thing you do in America.

  106. @Paleo Liberal
    I know a guy who was coaching one of my daughters for a specific position in a sport.
    He said the most important thing for that position is the brain. That could be said for all of sports.

    My oldest daughter is the most athletic of my kids. She also did about the least organized sports, especially at the high school level. Coaches told her she had D-1 talent, but she didn’t care. She played for the fun of it. When organized sports stopped being fun, she stopped playing. She had a rather meteoric rise and fall. She started her best sport in the 7th grade. Fall of the 8th grade she was on a 12U recreational league team. Spring of 8th grade she was on a 14U rec team. By the end of the summer she was playing 14U tournaments. Fall of 9th grade she was recruited to play 16U tournaments. Head coach told her he was going to mold her into a D-1 player. Then it stopped being fun. So she quit. She did play a few low level games the next spring with her friends. It was interesting to see how much she completely dominated the game, but she was with her friends so it was more fun than being groomed for D-1. When her friends left the game, so did she.

    Her boyfriend is the son of a former pro athlete. The two of them go to the gym a lot, run and bike for fun, and stay in shape. They just don’t play organized sports anymore.

    My son was a middle of the road HS athlete. He really wanted to be on a D-3 college team. He was obsessed with his sport. He is still involved now he has a career. He practiced two hours a day and hit the gym another two hours on his own in college. He was one of the stars of his team by the end of his sophomore year on one of the best D-3 teams in the country for his sport.

    What is the lesson? The kid won’t be a star unless the kid wants to be a star. When my daughter wanted to quit her team, the assistant coach told me he destroyed his relationship with his sons by forcing them to play a sport they had grown tired of. He told me the best way to preserve my relationship with my daughter was to let her quit the team. I did, and I have a great relationship with my daughter.

    I was like your daughter. Right about age 17, I got tired of sports, and even though I was being recruited by some prestigious schools I just didn’t care anymore. My parents were very upset, but the funny thing is that when you’re a trained athlete by age 17 you aren’t very easy to push around.

    As it turned out, I needed time to sort myself out anyway (an ongoing process I must admit). If I’d gone to one of those schools as an athlete I would have failed spectacularly. Not from lack of ability, but from lack of purpose, which is arguably more impoortant as your experience as a parent suggests.

    Sounds like you made the right choice with your daughter. I hope I have a great relationship with mine when she’s all grown up. I have to say, as much as I enjoy my time with my sons, she makes me glad I’ve got a girl, too.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    You need to go to the right school for the right reasons.

    My son was accepted to two schools in the same city. Needless to say, he likes that city.
    One of the schools was a public university; the other a private one, and more expensive.

    When my son was admitted, he really wanted to go to the private college, since that college had one of the best D-3 teams in his sport, and the head coach was actively recruiting him. (The head coach was a college teammate of my son's HS club coach). After scholarships and financial aid came in, the private school was only a few thousand a year more than the public school. We figured that was about what we were paying for club dues anyway, so we sent him to the private college. Turns out there were budget cutbacks, and many students in his major have to spend 5 years to get through college. So the private college wound up saving us money anyway. An extra year working rather than racking up student loans.

    So that would've been the best school for him sports or no sports.

    On the other hand, I talked to a guy whose daughter was a talented athlete. She went to a pretty good D-1 school. She absolutely HATED the team. All the other girls did was par-tay when they weren't playing. She didn't fit in at all, and left the college, and her athletic scholarship, after one year.

    After a year at a Juco, she made a deal with the head coach of one of the Power-5 schools. (Power-5 are the 5 top conferences in D-1.) She couldn't get a scholarship, but could join the team as a walk-on. Turns out she loved the college, but the team was too intense for her studies. She quit the team but stayed at the college.

    I guess the moral of the story is: send your kids to a college where they will be happy even if they quit the team. In SOME sports, they expect most of the students to quit the team before their senior year. There are exceptions. My son was part of the best recruiting class his coach ever had. Only a few of the athletes left the team, and some of them had transferred out.
  107. @Peter Akuleyev
    Raising children has become a thankless task.

    First of all, in the 21st century only women married to men in the upper income bracket can afford to raise children, or at least that is how most middle class women perceive the world.

    Then the women who can afford to stay home in the modern world with their kids are rarely happy. On this Hillary Clinton kind of had a point with her village bit. Women are naturally evolved to raise children in a group, with other women. It is not natural for a mother to stay home day after day by herself trying to entertain her own children. Even into the 1970s we still had neighborhoods where many women stayed home, and everyone kind of looked after everyone's kids. Women in that era also had no problem letting their children run off to play in the park or the streets for hours at a time, and were able to hang out with other women, gossip, do some housework and enjoy life. Today a woman who stays home is often isolated, becomes an unpaid chauffeur driving the kids from activity to activity and gets at best mild condescension from her female college classmates, who are all making six figures in marketing or law. How do you propose to change that dynamic? Realistically?

    This is the truth. Working mothers were most unhappy in the 80s when work culture was rather male breadwinner oriented and inflexible. Now with work from home days and more flexibility in leaving to pick up kids early, working while having children is a lot easier.

    Staying at home with kids today is being a somewhat isolated person who mainly repeats a child’s rudimentary routine over and over again day by day. Adults want to hang out with other adults. Not little kids all day long every day. The nannies go to the playground and talk to each other too, but higher iq women probably aren’t satisfied with nanny talk.

    I think the solution is more remote work opportunities. Most office jobs are filler tasks anyways. Women can make brand marketing ppts at home and talk to each other at lunchtime. It also gives them something to do since it’s really not a full time task to tend to your house anymore if your kids are school age and aren’t being homeschooled.

  108. @Romanian
    A relative of mine who is an only child was very high performing in fencing. Her dad is a military man and he was very invested in it, making financial sacrifices and driving her around to practice, tournaments, in addition to tutoring for school etc. When she turned 13, she told him she didn't want to do it anymore, sparking a familial crisis. She did not relent and now just plays some tennis to keep active. I admired her intransigence in standing up to her old man.

    Sounds like she’s a chip off the old block. Her dad probably admires her for it, too, whether he admits it or not.

    • Agree: Romanian
  109. @anon

    In the early days of the Russian revolution, the Zhenotdel (Женотдел), the women’s department (женское отделение) of the Communist party was formed. The intention was to liberate women by destroying their old roles in the family, a bourgeois and therefore corrupt institution. One of their first reforms was the provision of abortion on demand for the first time in any country. De-veiling was carried out in Muslim Central Asia. Women who cared for their own children were declared selfish; much better for the village to care for the child.
     
    One is almost tempted to conclude from this and other policies that the masterminds of the revolution wanted to genocide the Russian people and other Gentile identity groups.

    Is that where Hillary’s book title came from?

  110. @Yngvar

    Why we’re pushing our girls into combat-derived activities I have no idea.
     
    There are only two types of athletes; the soldier or the gladiator. The soldier compete in sports that can have uses in warfare, the gladiator in entertainment. Women should only be gladiators.

    [Women] judge themselves and each other by how aggressive and will-driven they are
     
    This is sexual marked dynamics. Many people ape what they find attractive in a possible partner in hope of attracting that type of partner. If a man want a pussycat he must treat that aggressive woman with a (metaphorical) whip.

    We’re actively discouraging our girls from realizing themselves as women.
     
    Culture are forcing women into roles Nature have never prepared them for. It's no wonder many are neurotic and unhappy.

    “If a man want a pussycat he must treat that aggressive woman with a (metaphorical) whip.”

    Well, do not be a bogart here. Reveal to the viewing audience what methods you employed to “tame” your aggressive (white) wife. How did you “ape” her?

  111. @SimpleSong
    Having had both boys and girls it is obvious that girls really don't have a lot of natural affinity towards sports, but as they tend to conform more to social expectations (compared to boys) they can be pushed that way fairly easily if you want to. But why would you want to, if they don't show much interest? What's wrong with being a girl and liking girly things? It seems like there is a lot of self-loathing in American women, the rotten core of feminism is not that they hate men, it is that they hate women. Feminism disdains the feminine! I can't understand why you would denigrate motherhood, literally the most important thing for the species, for the entire biosphere actually, and elevate girls playing sportsball. Just don't get it.

    Also, protip from an old man, if you want to push your girl into something traditionally male in order to make it easier for her to get into college/get scholarship money, think STEM, not sports. Trust me on this one.

    It seems like there is a lot of self-loathing in American women, the rotten core of feminism is not that they hate men, it is that they hate women. Feminism disdains the feminine! I can’t understand why you would denigrate motherhood, literally the most important thing for the species, for the entire biosphere actually, and elevate girls playing sportsball. Just don’t get it.

    This is totally a guy thing. We blame women and denigrate feminism, but this all really started with males and it is perpetuated by males. In very general terms, it started with the Boomers not really giving a damn how their sons turned out. Boomer dads have a ‘daddy’s little girl’ fetish, and they seemed to find it much easier and more to their liking to raise their daughters to be “sons” than to raise their boys to be men. That meant impressing the girls into the superficial aspects of sportsball fanaticism and the high-fiveing style of social interaction, while the boys, desperate for real structure and real accomplishment, wander around lost and demoralized. Thus, the girls inhabit a world where they are positively validated and praised to the moon for aping the lowest degrees of male behavior, but when the boys start acting out their damaged and neglected intrinsic masculinity through the unstructured modes of violence and social withdrawal, they are yet further beaten and punished for it. All of this because weak and pathetic Boomer dads would rather have a sporty, fresh-faced daughter that they could wear as a pendant than undertake the hard work of raising a fine, strong son capable of holding his own against a hostile world and carrying on the family line.

    The culture at large supports all of this. Corporate culture in particular is extraordinarily cucky and very worshipful of the “sporty daughter” paradigm. “Women in the workforce” is the adult female analogue of “daddy’s little girl with a jersey on and sitting on my lap watching the game,” since managers and executives find it much easier to cater to the compliant nature of women than to actually deal with men who can be independent, intransigent, willful, baleful, spirited, energetic, and strident. A normal man would find most modern work to be stultifying and depressing, just like when he was a boy he found school to be stultifying and depressing and when he acted out on that entirely legitimate perception, he was labelled ADHD and placed on a drug regimen. However, if you “act out” in the workforce you become unemployable and everybody needs money to live, so the men who are unfortunately stuck in this situation have no choice but to repress their instincts and put up with the depression. But in order to do so they need a reason,, an overriding transcendent belief that they are supporting a family or building a civilization or something like that, in order to justify the sacrifice. The modern world takes away the reason and leaves them only the bullshit work, which is nothing but an empty form. Consequently men revert to the same feelings and the same behavior as they did in their neglected youth, becoming violent, disruptive, and/or withdrawn.

    The only males who really do well in the corporate world are the highly sociable, sports-crazed, cackly types, the Jim Cramers and Clark Griswolds of the world, who would rather entertain the hen house than rule the roost. But such men, inevitably ascending to power in the artificial corporate culture, are the very ones who carry on the sporty daughter paradigm and prolong the whole wretched system. Inwardly women themselves, they are in their sportsball worship not very far removed from wanting the BBC to come over to their house and lay the wood to their wives and daughters while they watch and masturbate, perhaps craving the same penetration in their own orifices.

    You can always measure the cuckiness of a subculture by the degree to which the males (I will not call them men) worship their own daughters. This yields surprising results for certain groups who like to style themselves as champions of “conservative” values. For instance:

    Evangelical Protestants: Total cucks. Their Christianity is pure SJWism with an imperceptibly thin spritz of Jesus-sauce. The Evangelical is the man who will allow his daughter to shack up with a meth-head and then, when that lifestyle fails, he will make no attempt to rescue his daughter but will head over to their dingy apartment to bring in food and set up a new flat screen TV that he paid for, saying “I just want my little girl to be taken care of.” Daughter-worshiping loser.

    Country Music: The crooning of cucky imbeciles. Toby Keith’s “Whiskey Girl” is a veritable ballad of daughter-pimping. It is the anthem of every dad whose chief desire is to have his daughter grow up to be a mechanic and a barroom slut.

    The US military: Cucked beyond rehabilitation, needless to say. Any institution that orders men to walk around in high heels and fake pregnancy saddles is hopeless.

    You can keep going with sportsball and higher education, but it isn’t necessary. All this has been discussed before. The point to remember is that it was not angry females who produced all this, but males who would rather associate with females.

  112. @Moses
    Studies have shown that women have become more and more unhappy in lockstep with the feminist cultural takeover.

    https://www.nber.org/papers/w14969

    Abstract:


    By many objective measures the lives of women in the United States have improved over the past 35 years, yet we show that measures of subjective well-being indicate that women's happiness has declined both absolutely and relative to men. The paradox of women's declining relative well-being is found across various datasets, measures of subjective well-being, and is pervasive across demographic groups and industrialized countries. Relative declines in female happiness have eroded a gender gap in happiness in which women in the 1970s typically reported higher subjective well-being than did men. These declines have continued and a new gender gap is emerging -- one with higher subjective well-being for men.
     
    It's a real head-scratcher.

    How many women do you know that are taking anti-depressants? I know several who have been on them for years despite their "liberated" lifestyles.

    The happiest women I know are those whose husband is the main breadwinner while she takes care of her family. Those who can't afford not to work bitch about it.

    There is no doubt in my mind that feminism has been a disaster for women. They're unhappier, but they don't know why. So their answer is "not enough feminism!"

    Muslims will restore the natural balance. Paternalism is what women crave.

    It’s rather quite simple. Girls and women are propagandized with, “Yes, they can have it all,” by the culture. And no, men (or women) cannot disagree/debate/question/critique the propaganda. It’s deemed a cultural “given,” a feature of the world inhabited.

    The propaganda says that women can be liberated from any and all constraints and limitations that the society (might have) previously imposed. This is a known falsehood, as all choices come with trade-offs, direct and indirect, seen and unseen, impulse control/deferred gratification (or lack thereof), of the moment or in the future, e.g., principally work, marriage/spouse, pregnancy/children/motherhood.

    An untruth, bought into, without a “do-over” due to a ticking body clock will result in unhappiness.

  113. I know plenty of young girls — now young adults — who played soccer, some at a high level (D1 college), as I had family members who were very involved in the sport.

    None of the girls I know are fans of soccer … then or now. It was something they did, and some were quite good, but it wasn’t a passion. It was an activity. Once it ended, it was over, and they never gave it a second thought, unlike the guys who still follow football or baseball because they remember their high school glory days.

    In short, I don’t think sports is really an issue.

    In fact, the biggest influence on young women these days is the constant stream of SJW garbage they hear, read and see from every angle. They are steeped in it — the never-ending grievances, the fear of saying something “wrong,” the over-emotional way of looking at situations and the world in general.

    Even my own daughters are fairly liberal, despite the very conservative household they were raised in. My wife and I just look at them sometimes and wonder what happened. But we were no match for the tsunami of crap the world throws at them.

  114. @Anonymous
    "Fox, FS1 ratings show that women's fights are exceptionally popular with UFC fans"

    https://sports.yahoo.com/news/fox-fs1-ratings-show-that-womens-fights-are-exceptionally-popular-with-ufc-fans-183134436.html

    This was the big knockout from a couple weeks ago:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bViqvrh4_HQ

    I hear another sound, the sound of Howard Cosell. I hear, “Down Goes Frazier!”

  115. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Very few.

    In 17 years I've never met a woman who was a better than average engineer.

    In 17 years I’ve never met a woman who was a better than average engineer.

    I see your 17 and raise you 20. But yeah.

  116. @eah
    OK -- I didn't know that 1) it was possible to reply to a comment before it was approved, and/or 2) a comment is normally approved before the editing window expires -- ? -- the Unz site clearly knows and remembers my IP, so I can see my comments awaiting approval -- but no one else's unapproved comments -- I assume it is the same for everyone.

    the Unz site clearly knows and remembers my IP, so I can see my comments awaiting approval

    You’re doing better than I am, my friend. My comments no longer even appear in the moderation queue. They completely disappear after I hit “Publish Comment,” and I just have to hope for the best.

    It’s been this way for a few weeks.

  117. Lemme get this straight – we’ve got drooling legions of brain-damaged vegetables from football, uncoordinated guys who have no business playing sports sporting artificial knees at 50 from compulsive running, high school jocks with their arms bolted on, and GIRLS are fup duck from sports? The problem is not femininity, the problem is turning everything fun you could possibly do into a competition. The lumpen USA is one big masochistic, obsessive struggle for synthetic status. Recreational activities like sport just get crammed into that mold.

  118. @The Last Real Calvinist
    On a related topic: Very Rich Person Nick Hanauer resolves all the problems in American education in a short essay: LINK

    His thesis? It's not the schools that are bad. Instead, educational inequality is the direct result of inequality in household income:


    Even the most thoughtful and well-intentioned school-reform program can’t improve educational outcomes if it ignores the single greatest driver of student achievement: household income.

    For all the genuine flaws of the American education system, the nation still has many high-achieving public-school districts. Nearly all of them are united by a thriving community of economically secure middle-class families with sufficient political power to demand great schools, the time and resources to participate in those schools, and the tax money to amply fund them. In short, great public schools are the product of a thriving middle class, not the other way around. Pay people enough to afford dignified middle-class lives, and high-quality public schools will follow. But allow economic inequality to grow, and educational inequality will inevitably grow with it.
     

    This problem is super-easy to fix:

    In fact, the most direct way to address rising economic inequality is to simply pay ordinary workers more, by increasing the minimum wage and the salary threshold for overtime exemption; by restoring bargaining power for labor; and by instating higher taxes—much higher taxes—on rich people like me and on our estates.

     

    Well, at least Nick is tormented by guilt (LOL) over his own obscene wealth.

    The very rich person Nick Hanauer suffers the common problem of his wealthy contemporaries–he believes he must be genius-like smart if he’s so wealthy.

    He fails to recognize that he’s the equivalent of a lottery winner. His wealth comes from selling an advertising business to Microsoft for $6.4 billion. He was also an early investor in Amazon.

    (Neither the family bedding business, nor his picture framing business generated his wealth.)

    Much (most?) of life does involve being at the right place at the right time. But that is called luck.

    It shouldn’t be, but it’s always is a little surprising, the people seen as successful think the only difference with the less well-off is one’s income. Not character. Not lifestyle. Not habits. Not virtues. Not effort. Not impulse control and future-time orientation.

    Not all the things well within one’s own control–except for the luck of being in the right place at the right time. Like Nick Hanauer.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Much (most?) of life does involve being at the right place at the right time. But that is called luck.

    It shouldn’t be, but it’s always is a little surprising, the people seen as successful think the only difference with the less well-off is one’s income. Not character. Not lifestyle. Not habits. Not virtues. Not effort. Not impulse control and future-time orientation.
     
    Indeed; well said.

    In the past, and in many other cultures, there existed/exists at least an expectation of gratitude for, or at least acknowledgement of, good luck or fate or God's will -- or whatever you call that which affects you but you cannot control.

    Hanauer wants to think he's in control. He's got his money-hammer, and it's worked for him, so it must work for everybody else, too. That is a form of pride that leads to many perhaps unintended and even unforeseen consequences, but which is a sin never the less.
  119. @Moses

    We’re actively discouraging our girls from realizing themselves as women. Awesome cultural achievement, America.
     
    Yeah, this.

    I have 4 younger female cousins in their 20s to mid 30s.

    Not one is feminine or alluring. A few sure can swear though.

    One got in trouble with drugs. Her parents bailed her out with an expensive rehab. Another is into cosplay and claims she's a lesbian. A third dropped out of uni, lives with her boyfriend. Her boyfriend is a homeowner and has his act together with a good career, but the jury is out whether he'll wife her up or discard her later for a younger model.

    The last one got married at 35. She leaves her daughter with her mother for daycare. A worker bee who has been brainwashed that her value as a woman is derived from cubicle work to make money for a faceless corporation.

    My wife and I discussed sending our daughters to finishing school when they're older. Not only is it right, but I figure our daughters training in the feminine arts gives them a big leg up on the competition to marry a good man.

    The challenge I haven't figured out yet is how to shield them from the corrupting dreck that is mainstream culture in America today.

    Above all, follow Frey and Henley’s advice:

    The queen of hearts is always your best bet.

    Said otherwise, if feminine charms are Anne Baxter’s Nefretiri, bye-bye bitch. Better to have Yvonne De Carlo’s Sephora.

  120. @Bill P
    I was like your daughter. Right about age 17, I got tired of sports, and even though I was being recruited by some prestigious schools I just didn't care anymore. My parents were very upset, but the funny thing is that when you're a trained athlete by age 17 you aren't very easy to push around.

    As it turned out, I needed time to sort myself out anyway (an ongoing process I must admit). If I'd gone to one of those schools as an athlete I would have failed spectacularly. Not from lack of ability, but from lack of purpose, which is arguably more impoortant as your experience as a parent suggests.

    Sounds like you made the right choice with your daughter. I hope I have a great relationship with mine when she's all grown up. I have to say, as much as I enjoy my time with my sons, she makes me glad I've got a girl, too.

    You need to go to the right school for the right reasons.

    My son was accepted to two schools in the same city. Needless to say, he likes that city.
    One of the schools was a public university; the other a private one, and more expensive.

    When my son was admitted, he really wanted to go to the private college, since that college had one of the best D-3 teams in his sport, and the head coach was actively recruiting him. (The head coach was a college teammate of my son’s HS club coach). After scholarships and financial aid came in, the private school was only a few thousand a year more than the public school. We figured that was about what we were paying for club dues anyway, so we sent him to the private college. Turns out there were budget cutbacks, and many students in his major have to spend 5 years to get through college. So the private college wound up saving us money anyway. An extra year working rather than racking up student loans.

    So that would’ve been the best school for him sports or no sports.

    On the other hand, I talked to a guy whose daughter was a talented athlete. She went to a pretty good D-1 school. She absolutely HATED the team. All the other girls did was par-tay when they weren’t playing. She didn’t fit in at all, and left the college, and her athletic scholarship, after one year.

    After a year at a Juco, she made a deal with the head coach of one of the Power-5 schools. (Power-5 are the 5 top conferences in D-1.) She couldn’t get a scholarship, but could join the team as a walk-on. Turns out she loved the college, but the team was too intense for her studies. She quit the team but stayed at the college.

    I guess the moral of the story is: send your kids to a college where they will be happy even if they quit the team. In SOME sports, they expect most of the students to quit the team before their senior year. There are exceptions. My son was part of the best recruiting class his coach ever had. Only a few of the athletes left the team, and some of them had transferred out.

  121. @Ibound1
    I don't know. I raised my daughter to love "food! style! social activities! dance!" and she did turn out graceful and charming. She told me she wants to marry someone so she can stay home with the kids and paint. Success! The problem is finding the boy who wants her to stay at home with the kids and paint. It takes two to tango and by tango I mean afford a house in a school district safe for aforesaid children.

    How old is she? My son is 19 and on the way to a great career.

    Hey, we could use this site to hook up traditional couples for the future!

  122. @Romanian
    A relative of mine who is an only child was very high performing in fencing. Her dad is a military man and he was very invested in it, making financial sacrifices and driving her around to practice, tournaments, in addition to tutoring for school etc. When she turned 13, she told him she didn't want to do it anymore, sparking a familial crisis. She did not relent and now just plays some tennis to keep active. I admired her intransigence in standing up to her old man.

    There are more only children now than ever. I wonder if one reason for the uptick in women in sports is that dads with daughters treat them like the son they didn’t have.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    That is Steve Sailer's oft-repeated theory, as well. I think there is something to it, alongside other consequences. I think we will find that, with a society of only children and with the dissolving of extended family bonds, the absence of a familial safety net and the lack of support as parents age and die will lead to much worse outcomes than we currently envision. And any redress would imply a sacrificial generation that takes care of both the older and the younger generation until sustainability is reestablished.
  123. NOT OT:

    This is an article from Teen Vogue
    https://www.teenvogue.com/story/why-sex-work-is-real-work

    That is what they are teaching our teen girls – that “sex work” is real work.

    • Replies: @Alden
    I think Teen Vogue is online only. Went that way because no one bought the paper one.

    If you think Teen Vogue is bad, you should see regular Vogue. It’s featured blacks ever since I can remember. Nowadays the models are tall skinny blacks but with the ugliest faces possible. The articles seem to be SJW all the way .

    Ever seen Gentlemen’s Quarterly? Many many black models most trying to look gay.

    Note Hugh Hefner’s Playboy, a men’s magazine started the sexual revolution and funded legal abortion starting in the 195os decades before women’s magazines advocated promiscuity and abortion.

    What’s an old man doing reading Teen Vogue anyway? Seems kind of pervy.
  124. @joeyjoejoe
    "...and they’ve got no idea how to run social circles or maintain kitchens and households."


    A few years ago I went on a family reunion vacation. My generation, in late 40's, a few survivors from my parents' generation, around 80, and kids ranging from young adults to children.


    The same people who, 30 years ago, used to cook Thanksgiving dinner (the aunts, mothers, etc) are now nearing 80-they justifiably get a pass from cooking for 15 people while on vacation.


    The women in my generation just aren't interested in doing it: nobody is stepping up to the plate to make sure the family reunion goes well.


    The women in the next generation down (in their twenties) don't even consider cooking. Its not even an issue or problem. Even the ones that are still financially dependent on the older generation (usually the men). Cereal and muffins for breakfast, and going out to eat every dinner is a completely natural expectation.


    The problem is that the men don't do it, either. They work full time: they essentially paid for the vacation. I suppose one could argue that everybody should pitch in, and everybody take turns, and everybody would share in the responsibilities. But that ethic doesn't exist: there is no social structure for doing traditionally female tasks in that situation. Thus, it doesn't get done. It could be an intentional debate at the beginning of the vacation: a planning meeting, so to speak, where cooking and feeding chores are doled out based on something (who paid for the trip? amount of work back home? cooking skill? I'm not sure...). But that in itself would be awkward-a battle for who deserves most to not grill steaks every night. Thus, it doesn't get done.

    As it turned out, once we caught some fish, I, and my 80 year old uncle(who probably paid for half the expenses of the trip), cooked the dinner. Every other meal was either atomized (I ate cereal before anyone woke up, you had a bagel on your lap, etc), or at restaurants.


    joe

    That speaks poorly for whoever raised that next generation. I’m a mother of three and still in charge of the big family celebration meals but both my daughter and daughter-in-law are right there in the trenches. My DIL is Eastern European but has been in the States for high school and college.

    I can’t understand the repudiation of traditional female roles by some young women. The first year I cooked Thanksgiving was a big rite of passage for me. Is someone communicating this as a drudgery forced on them?

    We also do big vacations as an extended family and we’ve already been discussing what favorites everyone wants. I can’t picture everyone looking around then eating cereal.

  125. @Anonymous

    Ah, but the flip side of this is that the girls who are graceful, charming young women, especially if they are reasonably intelligent and have some useful or admirable skills, can have their pick of the worthwhile males.
     
    Nope. Not if you mean having their pick of worthwhile husbands. Even very appealing women are having difficulty getting men to commit to marriage.

    Nope. Not if you mean having their pick of worthwhile husbands. Even very appealing women are having difficulty getting men to commit to marriage.

    That’s because a lot of women think it is commitment until they get tired of you or someone better comes along instead of until death.

    I’ve had several friends who have come home to their wives informing them out of the blue that the marriage is over and they need to move out. They often have a boyfriend in the wings.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist

    They often have a boyfriend in the wings.
     
    Always. You mean always.

    Nobody leaves a marriage in order to be alone. Men are no different. Even if they tell you there's no one else, they're lying or they're working hard on securing someone else.
  126. @Anonymous

    The most feminine– and happiest– women I knew in 30 years in the Twin Cities were the Somalis. They were encouraged to be themselves.
     
    FWIW, Somalis have the highest rate of female genital mutilation in the world:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation#Prevalence

    The highest concentrations among the 15–49 age group are in Somalia (98 percent)
     

    FWIW, Somalis have the highest rate of female genital mutilation in the world

    Yes, and their women are happier and more satisfied than ours. Shows just how relevant “orgasmic capacity” is.

    By the way, I’m referring to young Somali women. The old ones are just tired.

    Margaret Laurence observed the same phenomena in British Somaliland 70 years ago.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/630342.The_Prophet_s_Camel_Bell

  127. @ScarletNumber

    I don’t actually know much about young women these days, so I personally don’t have an opinion.
     
    You should've had a daughter.

    This. Or several.

    A capacity for energetic competitive sport, like any other inborn trait, is not equally distributed.

    And one of the big errors constantly made is to think that the only kind of physical activity daughters can do MUST BE team sports.

    There are lots of us with daughters, nieces, friends’ kids, etc., who are into orienteering, sailing, backpacking, crew, climbing, hunting, fishing, shooting sports, x-c ski, speed skating, equestrian activities, etc. My guess is that they are probably mostly of N/NW European stock. Which is why they de facto aren’t important of course. And racist.

    The prominence of (((televised))) ((( professional team sports))) and all the (((scholarship etc. academic))) activity that accompanies that has created a (((very particular))) notion of what female athletes are out of that (((media))) and (((academic))) culture.

    That has been cobbled onto a notion that all girls should be playing team sports, because after all where will the phys ed majors get jobs otherwise?

    There are other ways for women to be healthy and fit, and no white father worth his salt should settle for teaching his daughters less. Some gals turn to team sports because they are urbanites and their only playing fields are in stadiums. Gals raised on field don’t need that (and if my experience is any indication, don’t particularly like it either). Caddie Woodlawn versus Little Women.

    When we start talking about the post-Hart-Celler type of females, they tend to come from deep urban backgrounds, so their physical types tend to be less robust and their personalities less active and curious.

    I was raised, and so was the love of my life, with the idea that team sports is something you maybe do in the family, or the neighborhood…but that its inflation into the national secular religion accompanied the rise of all sorts of population and cultural weaknesses. For instance, where one person has to lean on 13 others for accomplishment, and only play a few minutes out of an hour.

    By contrast, being roped up and crossing a scree field, or resetting sail to accommodate a sudden tricksy wind, is something you do alone. Or if you’re doing it with others, you’re all on point, not competing for a score, but for survival.

    THAT is what our daughters should be doing, if so inclined, and if not, there’s always doll babies.

    My girls preferred wildlife rehabbing though. Being around other kids in the family, or civic organization, or congregation…they didn’t have to play Pretend on that score.

    So if you’re inclined to raise your daughters to be nervy urbanites locked in boxes, have at it. It’s not the way of my people.

  128. @Anonymous

    The most feminine– and happiest– women I knew in 30 years in the Twin Cities were the Somalis. They were encouraged to be themselves.
     
    What gave you the impression they were the happiest?

    What gave you the impression they were the happiest?

    Smiling, laughing, joking, lightness of mien… little clues like that.

    Also, I traveled and studied in Europe in the ’80s, and got to know what happy, girlish girls are like. This is eroding there and in Asia of late.

    The Somalis are behind the times, backwards even. But when the rest of the world is riding in a handbasket to perdition, that can be a good thing.

  129. The Global Deep State Terrorists(GDST) are turning men into women and women into men using their public schools and their Mockingbird Mainstream Media….In the name of “Equality”.

    What’s wrong with that?

  130. @Flip

    Nope. Not if you mean having their pick of worthwhile husbands. Even very appealing women are having difficulty getting men to commit to marriage.
     
    That's because a lot of women think it is commitment until they get tired of you or someone better comes along instead of until death.

    I've had several friends who have come home to their wives informing them out of the blue that the marriage is over and they need to move out. They often have a boyfriend in the wings.

    They often have a boyfriend in the wings.

    Always. You mean always.

    Nobody leaves a marriage in order to be alone. Men are no different. Even if they tell you there’s no one else, they’re lying or they’re working hard on securing someone else.

  131. @The Last Real Calvinist
    You replied very quickly to my post -- I actually went back and deleted that line during the editing window. I agree that it's not the main criticism of the article.

    Character string that doesn’t appear, of course? “immi . . .”

    Why does that matter (so much)? — I mean, I get the point that immigration hurts household income, and that it’s dishonest not to mention it — and that this is true for both blue and white collar (H-1B) workers — that fact is bad enough, and reason enough to oppose high levels of immigration — but household income does not appear to be the determining factor in black underperformance.

    You replied very quickly to my post — I actually went back and deleted that line during the editing window. I agree that it’s not the main criticism of the article.

    Actually Calvinist, eah, Calvinist was on target before his edit.

    The lack of mention of immigration, in this article and all other articles like it, *is* precisely what’s wrong with them.

    Eah, you’re fisking Hanauer over the reality that the black/white IQ/ed-performance gap isn’t primarily socio-economically driven but HBD driven. Correct, but despite blacks’ status at the pinnacle of minoritarian pantheon, blacks aren’t the be all and end all of the class divide in America. And secondly Hanauer is specifically rejecting education as the cause and cure.

    Hanauer is basically saying that “educationalism” excuses/fixes aren’t the real deal. He’s right!

    The real story is more complicated, and more troubling. Yes, there is a mismatch between the skills of the present and the jobs of the future. In a fast-changing, technologically advanced economy, how could there not be? But this mismatch doesn’t begin to explain the widening inequality of the past 40 years.

    In 1970, when the golden age of the American middle class was nearing its peak and inequality was at its nadir, only about half of Americans ages 25 and older had a high-school diploma or the equivalent. Today, 90 percent do. Meanwhile, the proportion of Americans attaining a college degree has more than tripled since 1970. But while the American people have never been more highly educated, only the wealthiest have seen large gains in real wages. From 1979 to 2017, as the average real annual wages of the top 1 percent of Americans rose 156 percent (and the top .01 percent’s wages rose by a stunning 343 percent), the purchasing power of the average American’s paycheck did not increase.

    This is correct. There’s a lot of useless crappy education–ex. gender studies–that is really anti-education. But overall Americans are more “educated”, than when i was a kid, but the economic state of the working and middle class is stagnant.

    Where Hanauer is incoherent is cause and cure. Bumping up the minimum wage–fine. But we have a market economy setting wages. The minimum wage isn’t the issue. The issue is wage stagnation across the working and middle classes. And the biggest cause of that stagnation is overwhelmingly immigration.

    You aren’t going to have rising wages when you labor market is opened to the entire world.

    Plus when you nation is flooded with immigrants, the critical middle class thing you want to get with your declining wage–a nice house in decent neighborhood with “good schools”–becomes radically more expensive.

    Immigration isn’t the *only* thing that’s caused this problem. The birth control pill and then all the nasty stuff the progs have pushed–feminism, slutism, divorce, illegitimacy, “many kinds of families”, decline of religion, minoritarianism, basically the full attack on the traditional culture and norms of Western Christian civilization–is causal as well. (Basically all the stuff Charles Murray gets into in “Coming Apart”.)

    But immigration–whacking down white guys’ wage earning potential, and hence value as husband, and authority as patriarch; while mocking and abusing him at the same time–is the heart and soul of the issue.

    ~~

    Any article that mentions “income inequality” or phrases akin to “wage stagnation” and does not highlight immigration is just bullshit–a fraud. So Hanauer while correct that “educationism” is a fraud, has produced a fraud as well.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Accounting is supposed to be a well paid secure professional occupation isn’t it? It’s becime the job if Fillipino women and Indian men No White men need apply.

    I really need to leave Unz. You commenters are idiots. You’re all old codgers who only had 1 or 2 kids THANKS TO THE BIRTH CONTROL PILL yet you are against the pill. You blame affirmative action lowering wages and raising prices on White women’s promiscuity ( must be lesbians as men are all virgins till marriage.

    Affirmative action discrimination against Whute men has nothing to do with it. Mass immigration of non White immigrants has nothing to do with it. The capitalist pigs roaming the world for the most poverty stricken wretches in the world has nothing to do with it.

    Oh no, it’s all due to the birth control pill and promiscuity if women but not men.

    Frankly my friends this discussion about teen age girls by elderly men is perverse.

    Do any of you know that sex takes 2 people?
  132. @Anonymous

    Ah, but the flip side of this is that the girls who are graceful, charming young women, especially if they are reasonably intelligent and have some useful or admirable skills, can have their pick of the worthwhile males.
     
    Nope. Not if you mean having their pick of worthwhile husbands. Even very appealing women are having difficulty getting men to commit to marriage.

    What Flip said.
    Modern society doesn’t support marriage for men, so many men are avoiding it.

  133. @Anonymous

    Ah, but the flip side of this is that the girls who are graceful, charming young women, especially if they are reasonably intelligent and have some useful or admirable skills, can have their pick of the worthwhile males.
     
    Nope. Not if you mean having their pick of worthwhile husbands. Even very appealing women are having difficulty getting men to commit to marriage.

    And very appealing men keep getting friend zoned.

    All that means is that they need to step their game up. For me that meant being more masculine. For them it likely means more feminine. And that’s Mother Nature’s doing, not the patriarchy.

  134. @Anonymous
    "Fox, FS1 ratings show that women's fights are exceptionally popular with UFC fans"

    https://sports.yahoo.com/news/fox-fs1-ratings-show-that-womens-fights-are-exceptionally-popular-with-ufc-fans-183134436.html

    This was the big knockout from a couple weeks ago:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bViqvrh4_HQ

    “Fox, FS1 ratings show that women’s fights are exceptionally popular with UFC fans”

    Just another sign of decline.

    Women fighting–serious knock your ass out fighting–is an unnatural act.

    Most “sporting” male fighting is highly unnatural in specific character, but it is echo of a very real–one of the most real–human activities, male combat and warfare.

    But women are essentially irrelevant as combatants. After male combat settles the issue, the losers’ women are easily dealth with by the winners, killed or (usually) enslaved and enjoyed. Women are prizes–along with territory–of warfare, not real combatants.

    Pushing up freakish women, doing deeply unnatural things for women is just another angle of attack upon a well ordered healthy civilization.

    • Replies: @Spangel
    My guess is that women fighting is somehow erotic for some people. People get into weird fetishes.
  135. That graceful womanly woman you describe never existed except in black and white movies.

    In real life, sissy feminine women are a royal pain in the ass. Their favorite activity is not “running social circles,” whatever that is. It is bitching non-stop.

    Hurray for the strong SILENT type woman who can take care of herself.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Spoken like a true black African. 20,000 years of letting the women do all the work except hunting lions while pregnant nursing and raising kids. Except for hunting, African men didn’t even feed themselves. They depended on the wives food gathering and gardens. Note the word garden it took men’s strength to move from gardens to farms

    I’ve often thought that the reason Africans didn’t progress for 20,000 years is because there was no division of labor. Women did all the work.

    It’s hard for women alone to build a civilization or even a dwelling bigger than an 8 by 8 ft hut.
  136. @Peter Akuleyev
    Paleo Retiree's post ties neatly into Lion of the Blogosphere's post on the Just World Fallacy. There is a lot of wishing and hoping on the part of older conservatives that modern women will somehow get their just desserts for pushing feminism on us, but I see very little evidence that it is true.

    This is part of a conservative tendency to try to impose moral explanations when material explanations make more sense. In a world of cheap clothing, you expect women to knit and sew? In a world of microwaves, fast food and food delivery services, you expect a woman to run a kitchen? In a world of Facebook and Instagram, you expect a woman to run a social circle? Technology has made traditional women's roles completely obsolete, possibly even more than it has changed the world for men. Of course modern women need something new to fill their time, and our struggling with the ridiculously fast pace of technological change, just like men are.

    Also notice that women who play sports are far more likely to be conservative and pro-family than women who spend time studying the arts, music, style and literature.

    Oh my god, you are so much smarter than all these utter idiots on here. Instead of just complaining or blaming everything on liberals, you actually look at what is often called the big picture and figure out what is REALLY going on.

    And of course, you look at money and technology, like smart people do, instead of blabbering about what some liberal supposedly said or thinks.

    My god. How I wish there were, I mean was a thousand of you so that an actual intelligent conversation might have the tiniest change of ensuing.

  137. @Peter Akuleyev
    Have you actually been to Eastern Europe? There tend to be a lot of romantic notions about Eastern Europe floating around the blogosphere. I know a lot of American men who have been burned very badly by relationships with women from Slavic countries. Maybe American men are no longer capable of seeing beyond the charm and seduction and have become easy marks for women who are actually a lot smarter and more ambitious than they are.

    Polish women are frightening. There is nothing soft and endearing about their “femininity.”

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    Polish women are very different from Ukrainians and Russians. I, personally, blame the Catholic church.
  138. @prosa123
    I don't know .... thanks to both of my jobs I have more contact with young women than do most non-young men, and all in all they're decent people. Some nicer than others, but that's to be expected. Certainly no cause to despair for the future. At least among the ones I know there are no obvious SJW's and none of them try to out-masculine men.

    I don’t know …. thanks to both of my jobs I have more contact with young women than do most non-young men, and all in all they’re decent people. Some nicer than others, but that’s to be expected. Certainly no cause to despair for the future. At least among the ones I know there are no obvious SJW’s and none of them try to out-masculine men.

    Prosa, i don’t know your situation.

    I’ll say with a bunch of the young women i know best–my daughters’ various friends, roomates, etc.–one can easily do a sort of ho-hum “decent people”. And indeed they aren’t “obvious SJWs”. But if you actually talk to them, push ’em very much, you find that their heads are indeed full of mush.

    While mostly they are just sort of floating along, most have absorbed the basic reigning minoritarian narrative of the world and their own place in it. And a few are deeply committed to it and want to “change the world”–i.e. they are SJWs, just not full time open scolds.

    Very few/none will actually be “based” with any sort of logical, empirically based world view–schools don’t teach that!–and/or a deep committment to being a very traditional wife and mother dedicated to extending Western Christian civilizaton into the future with their children.

    “Floating along” is really how you’d describe most of them. Our “elites” garbage culture of critique has done its work. Todays girls–however girlish in their fundamental biology–are unmoored and just floating in the stream.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Do you have any idea what the K-12 and college curriculum has been for the last 50 years? How can you old codgers dare to blame your grandchildren for what we boomers allowed to happen to the schools?

    The private schools are as bad. Only the Catholic and Protestant ones that explicitly call themselves Christian aren’t preaching homosexuality from kindergarten on and abortion from 4th grade on. But they are supreme SJWs other wise. The old save the pagan babies amplified a thousand times.

    Some Montessori schools go up through 6th grade. They teach all the subjects but in their own special way. No SJW garbage at all even nowadays. And no parental involvement either which means no homework burden. But after 6th grade it’s just years of liberal propaganda.

    Another thing. Women buy the clothes that are sold in the stores. If it’s nothing but black T shirts and baggy tops and dresses that’s what we have to buy. I’ve walked into big stores, especially fall and winter when 80 percent of the clothing on sale is black. With a few maroon and mud green tops. I’ve turned right around and walked out.
  139. @AnotherDad

    “Fox, FS1 ratings show that women’s fights are exceptionally popular with UFC fans”
     
    Just another sign of decline.

    Women fighting--serious knock your ass out fighting--is an unnatural act.

    Most "sporting" male fighting is highly unnatural in specific character, but it is echo of a very real--one of the most real--human activities, male combat and warfare.

    But women are essentially irrelevant as combatants. After male combat settles the issue, the losers' women are easily dealth with by the winners, killed or (usually) enslaved and enjoyed. Women are prizes--along with territory--of warfare, not real combatants.

    Pushing up freakish women, doing deeply unnatural things for women is just another angle of attack upon a well ordered healthy civilization.

    My guess is that women fighting is somehow erotic for some people. People get into weird fetishes.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    Korean-American MMA queen Angela Lee showed the world an eyeful of her great looking self in her last fight.

    I couldn't believe that Dubai One didn't cut the live feed.

  140. @S. Anonyia
    Participation in girls sports isn’t that high- maybe a 1/4 of high schoolers. Similar rate for boys, although middle class white girls probably participate at higher rates than middle class white boys. It’s true there is the freshman 15, but girls (and boys, minus the ones who take steroids/protein and mess up their metabolisms) who participate in sports or really any high intensity activity (dance, hiking or fitness classes suffice too) do tend to be thinner and healthier for life than those who aren’t in involved in such activities. Freshman 15 on a girl who is already thin/fit looks better than on someone who already has the shape of a 30 year old woman at 18. And take a glance at high schoolers who don’t do sports- unless they are nerds or on drugs they tend to be pretty thick.

    I honestly don’t know a single female from my various high school sports teams who is currently overweight or unhappy, a decade later. But among my peers who didn’t play sports, I’d say at least half are grossly overweight, and as a result most of that group don’t seem that happy. It’s harder for overweight women to find partners too so a lot of them are alone.

    I don’t think a lot of y’all who are older (because boomers were not fat as young people) or live on the West or East Coast grasp how bad the obesity epidemic is in flyover country. It’s partially the food, it’s partially because of car culture. I’m always harping on it because I see it as a very obvious sign of the decline of our nation.

    My point is there are deeper roots than sports as to why modern American women are “graceless.” Look into hormonal birth control or tv/media more. Perhaps also look to young men and video games too...they definitely aren’t very suave.

    I don’t think a lot of y’all who are older (because boomers were not fat as young people) or live on the West or East Coast grasp how bad the obesity epidemic is in flyover country. It’s partially the food, it’s partially because of car culture. I’m always harping on it because I see it as a very obvious sign of the decline of our nation.

    Bang!

    Since AnotherMom decided we’d gray up in Florida, i’ve had this shoved in my face on the beach everyday.

    To be fair i need to lose ten pounds myself–since we retirees are forcing the tourists to look at us old timers strolling the beach, we ought to be at our wrinkly best.

    But, holy cow, it’s bad out there. Striking so where it ought not to be–not just the middle aged, but among fairly young people. Fats and tats. And man is it ugly. If my 70s college class time travelled to debark upon our beach at spring break, people would be stunned by these gorgeous young clean skinned, unfat bodies.

    • Replies: @Alden
    I’ve posted this before When I worked at a big university that had a big film school I used to go to the film school l movies . One was navy film of the bomb explosion on Bikini island. Most of it was hundreds of sailors running around in the ships. Granted they were young. But OMG they were so thin. Like 5’9 130? It was amazing

    Men are as fat as women that’s why they stopped tucking in their shirts ages ago. Baggy oversized T shirts and over sized shorts.

    Does another mom get women’s ’s clothing catalogs? Take a look. They are mostly huge baggy long tunic tops and even dresses that look like bags. No darts. No waist n o bust line, just a vast length of fabric falling off the shoulders.
  141. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Very few.

    In 17 years I've never met a woman who was a better than average engineer.

    30 years here…Same.

    Sharpest have been males from Korea and Poland.

  142. @Anon7
    From my personal experience with high school moms, women push their girls into sports because it 1) forces them to focus on passing their classes, otherwise you're off the team, 2) keeps them away from boys, because they're just too busy. Women's sports in high school are absolutely crazy now, overboard, relentlessly active. That's just the way the moms like their girls. Also, these older feminist women think that men constantly use sports metaphors, and without sports, their girls would not know the vocabulary of power.

    But then, when they go to college, and have no more sports, they've become habituated to about 3,000 calories per week more food than they need. And now there's no one to tell them to go to practice, exercise, work out, etc.

    Look up "freshman 15" - ha, all I had to type into google was "freshman " and I got it. I see these girls shambling around campus all the time.

    Of course Paleo Retiree is right. Psychologist Jordan Peterson spent years doing therapy work with smart career women, and he says that getting married and having babies is all they can think about. But they never learned the skills as girls.

    Freshman 15 has been around at least 160 years ever since girls started going to college. It’s due to first the starchy carbs carbs carbs food in the cafeterias and second, 3 generous meals a day.

    Unless they’re in boarding school, teens like their parents don’t have time for a nice breakfast most days. Get to college, take the elevator to the cafeteria, first class at 10, there’s plenty of time for all the pancakes and muffins.

    Back in the olden days, cafeteria food was served by servers and they were under orders to control the portions. Now it’s often buffet style and they can load up as much as they want.

    Freshman 15 is 16o years old.

  143. @AnotherDad

    I don’t think a lot of y’all who are older (because boomers were not fat as young people) or live on the West or East Coast grasp how bad the obesity epidemic is in flyover country. It’s partially the food, it’s partially because of car culture. I’m always harping on it because I see it as a very obvious sign of the decline of our nation.
     
    Bang!

    Since AnotherMom decided we'd gray up in Florida, i've had this shoved in my face on the beach everyday.

    To be fair i need to lose ten pounds myself--since we retirees are forcing the tourists to look at us old timers strolling the beach, we ought to be at our wrinkly best.

    But, holy cow, it's bad out there. Striking so where it ought not to be--not just the middle aged, but among fairly young people. Fats and tats. And man is it ugly. If my 70s college class time travelled to debark upon our beach at spring break, people would be stunned by these gorgeous young clean skinned, unfat bodies.

    I’ve posted this before When I worked at a big university that had a big film school I used to go to the film school l movies . One was navy film of the bomb explosion on Bikini island. Most of it was hundreds of sailors running around in the ships. Granted they were young. But OMG they were so thin. Like 5’9 130? It was amazing

    Men are as fat as women that’s why they stopped tucking in their shirts ages ago. Baggy oversized T shirts and over sized shorts.

    Does another mom get women’s ’s clothing catalogs? Take a look. They are mostly huge baggy long tunic tops and even dresses that look like bags. No darts. No waist n o bust line, just a vast length of fabric falling off the shoulders.

  144. @Spangel
    My guess is that women fighting is somehow erotic for some people. People get into weird fetishes.

    Korean-American MMA queen Angela Lee showed the world an eyeful of her great looking self in her last fight.

    I couldn’t believe that Dubai One didn’t cut the live feed.

  145. @AnotherDad

    I don’t know …. thanks to both of my jobs I have more contact with young women than do most non-young men, and all in all they’re decent people. Some nicer than others, but that’s to be expected. Certainly no cause to despair for the future. At least among the ones I know there are no obvious SJW’s and none of them try to out-masculine men.
     
    Prosa, i don't know your situation.

    I'll say with a bunch of the young women i know best--my daughters' various friends, roomates, etc.--one can easily do a sort of ho-hum "decent people". And indeed they aren't "obvious SJWs". But if you actually talk to them, push 'em very much, you find that their heads are indeed full of mush.

    While mostly they are just sort of floating along, most have absorbed the basic reigning minoritarian narrative of the world and their own place in it. And a few are deeply committed to it and want to "change the world"--i.e. they are SJWs, just not full time open scolds.

    Very few/none will actually be "based" with any sort of logical, empirically based world view--schools don't teach that!--and/or a deep committment to being a very traditional wife and mother dedicated to extending Western Christian civilizaton into the future with their children.

    "Floating along" is really how you'd describe most of them. Our "elites" garbage culture of critique has done its work. Todays girls--however girlish in their fundamental biology--are unmoored and just floating in the stream.

    Do you have any idea what the K-12 and college curriculum has been for the last 50 years? How can you old codgers dare to blame your grandchildren for what we boomers allowed to happen to the schools?

    The private schools are as bad. Only the Catholic and Protestant ones that explicitly call themselves Christian aren’t preaching homosexuality from kindergarten on and abortion from 4th grade on. But they are supreme SJWs other wise. The old save the pagan babies amplified a thousand times.

    Some Montessori schools go up through 6th grade. They teach all the subjects but in their own special way. No SJW garbage at all even nowadays. And no parental involvement either which means no homework burden. But after 6th grade it’s just years of liberal propaganda.

    Another thing. Women buy the clothes that are sold in the stores. If it’s nothing but black T shirts and baggy tops and dresses that’s what we have to buy. I’ve walked into big stores, especially fall and winter when 80 percent of the clothing on sale is black. With a few maroon and mud green tops. I’ve turned right around and walked out.

  146. @Days of Broken Arrows
    There are more only children now than ever. I wonder if one reason for the uptick in women in sports is that dads with daughters treat them like the son they didn't have.

    That is Steve Sailer’s oft-repeated theory, as well. I think there is something to it, alongside other consequences. I think we will find that, with a society of only children and with the dissolving of extended family bonds, the absence of a familial safety net and the lack of support as parents age and die will lead to much worse outcomes than we currently envision. And any redress would imply a sacrificial generation that takes care of both the older and the younger generation until sustainability is reestablished.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Yep, that’s Gen X. We’ve already reported for duty.
  147. Number 1 best rule for raising kids in 2019: Don’t let your kids near American TV shows.

    Don’t let your kids consume any entertainment uncritically. This turns entertainment into a kind of drinking game where we all laugh when leftwing propaganda pops up. One of our favorites is “The Blonde guy is evil!” Black people teach their kids that all cops want to kill them. White people need to teach their kids that anybody in entertainment is a drugged up pervert who hates them and wants them to hurt themselves. Derbyshire’s famous talk is also good. This will inoculate your kids from the poison they will get from their friends and school.

    There are so many things competing for our time today that I suspect most kids playing sports don’t need to be “pushed” by their parents. They probably want to be there. Sports will not let your girls escape from boys. Sports will also not let your girls escape from filthy music. Every little girl from a young age is exposed to it. Only a few years ago I recall hearing girls in elementary school singing “I want to funk you up” over and over on a play ground.

    You cannot expect kids to magically learn basic skills through osmosis. You actually have to show them how to cook and change a tire and have grace etc. Perhaps there was a time when popular culture filled that gap, but those days are over. One nice thing about being surrounded by madness is that you have plenty of “teachable moments.”

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    Number 1 best rule for raising kids in 2019: Don’t let your kids near American TV shows.
     
    Don't let them near any American popular culture.
  148. @obwandiyag
    That graceful womanly woman you describe never existed except in black and white movies.

    In real life, sissy feminine women are a royal pain in the ass. Their favorite activity is not "running social circles," whatever that is. It is bitching non-stop.

    Hurray for the strong SILENT type woman who can take care of herself.

    Spoken like a true black African. 20,000 years of letting the women do all the work except hunting lions while pregnant nursing and raising kids. Except for hunting, African men didn’t even feed themselves. They depended on the wives food gathering and gardens. Note the word garden it took men’s strength to move from gardens to farms

    I’ve often thought that the reason Africans didn’t progress for 20,000 years is because there was no division of labor. Women did all the work.

    It’s hard for women alone to build a civilization or even a dwelling bigger than an 8 by 8 ft hut.

  149. @Ibound1
    NOT OT:

    This is an article from Teen Vogue
    https://www.teenvogue.com/story/why-sex-work-is-real-work

    That is what they are teaching our teen girls - that "sex work" is real work.

    I think Teen Vogue is online only. Went that way because no one bought the paper one.

    If you think Teen Vogue is bad, you should see regular Vogue. It’s featured blacks ever since I can remember. Nowadays the models are tall skinny blacks but with the ugliest faces possible. The articles seem to be SJW all the way .

    Ever seen Gentlemen’s Quarterly? Many many black models most trying to look gay.

    Note Hugh Hefner’s Playboy, a men’s magazine started the sexual revolution and funded legal abortion starting in the 195os decades before women’s magazines advocated promiscuity and abortion.

    What’s an old man doing reading Teen Vogue anyway? Seems kind of pervy.

  150. @M_Young
    Huge Caucasian Shepherd.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMgFoNuheWE

    That’s one Caucasian nobody’s gonna mess with

  151. @Jake
    "American young people have been poisoned by our culture."

    Absolutely true. And the key is that it is 'our' culture in the sense that it is WASP culture playing out, going to its logical ends. All whites eventually assimilated to Yank WASP culture. And we have been poisoned.

    To make that point in keeping with the specific subject: the first Feminist conference was not a Jewish affair. The Seneca Falls Convention was held in Seneca Falls, NY in 1848. 100% of the attendees were Yankee WASPs. The movement had grown directly out of Abolitionism (proving from the start that BROs come before HOs in reformer/progressive/liberal WASPism). The leaders were all aware of, and stridently proud of, being spiritual and political and cultural heirs of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism in its larger sense of all groups that opposed monarchy, landed aristocracy, pre-Reformation traditions of any kind, and anything to do with 'church' that could be seen as some kind of leftover from Catholicism. They were the perfect mix of Anglo-Saxon Puritan in the specific sense with Quaker.

    And their fruits long term are poison.

    To make that point in keeping with the specific subject: the first Feminist conference was not a Jewish affair. The Seneca Falls Convention was held in Seneca Falls, NY in 1848. 100% of the attendees were Yankee WASPs. The movement had grown directly out of Abolitionism…

    You’ve persuaded me the WASP/Puritans pioneered much social damage to The West and have me suspecting the Jews have never invented anything and even copy the initiatives conceived by others when doing their diabolical Jew evil.

    …(proving from the start that BROs come before HOs in reformer/progressive/liberal WASPism).

    Well, now nobody can say Catholic critics of evil lack a sense of humor or that rappers can out-rhyme us. (Anybody black inclined to fault us for that little piece of fun needs to check their black brothers who put that filth out loudly in the public space, not us for ridiculing it here among adults!)

    The leaders were all aware of, and stridently proud of, being spiritual and political and cultural heirs of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism in its larger sense of all groups that opposed monarchy, landed aristocracy, pre-Reformation traditions of any kind, and anything to do with ‘church’ that could be seen as some kind of leftover from Catholicism.

    Exactly why the Amsterdam Jews funded the Protestant Reformation, to wipe out all vestiges of the Roman Catholic Church founded by Jesus.

  152. @Romanian
    That is Steve Sailer's oft-repeated theory, as well. I think there is something to it, alongside other consequences. I think we will find that, with a society of only children and with the dissolving of extended family bonds, the absence of a familial safety net and the lack of support as parents age and die will lead to much worse outcomes than we currently envision. And any redress would imply a sacrificial generation that takes care of both the older and the younger generation until sustainability is reestablished.

    Yep, that’s Gen X. We’ve already reported for duty.

  153. @AnotherDad



    Character string that doesn’t appear, of course? “immi . . .”
     
    Why does that matter (so much)? — I mean, I get the point that immigration hurts household income, and that it’s dishonest not to mention it — and that this is true for both blue and white collar (H-1B) workers — that fact is bad enough, and reason enough to oppose high levels of immigration — but household income does not appear to be the determining factor in black underperformance.
     
    You replied very quickly to my post — I actually went back and deleted that line during the editing window. I agree that it’s not the main criticism of the article.
     
    Actually Calvinist, eah, Calvinist was on target before his edit.

    The lack of mention of immigration, in this article and all other articles like it, *is* precisely what's wrong with them.

    Eah, you're fisking Hanauer over the reality that the black/white IQ/ed-performance gap isn't primarily socio-economically driven but HBD driven. Correct, but despite blacks' status at the pinnacle of minoritarian pantheon, blacks aren't the be all and end all of the class divide in America. And secondly Hanauer is specifically rejecting education as the cause and cure.

    Hanauer is basically saying that "educationalism" excuses/fixes aren't the real deal. He's right!


    The real story is more complicated, and more troubling. Yes, there is a mismatch between the skills of the present and the jobs of the future. In a fast-changing, technologically advanced economy, how could there not be? But this mismatch doesn’t begin to explain the widening inequality of the past 40 years.

    In 1970, when the golden age of the American middle class was nearing its peak and inequality was at its nadir, only about half of Americans ages 25 and older had a high-school diploma or the equivalent. Today, 90 percent do. Meanwhile, the proportion of Americans attaining a college degree has more than tripled since 1970. But while the American people have never been more highly educated, only the wealthiest have seen large gains in real wages. From 1979 to 2017, as the average real annual wages of the top 1 percent of Americans rose 156 percent (and the top .01 percent’s wages rose by a stunning 343 percent), the purchasing power of the average American’s paycheck did not increase.
     

    This is correct. There's a lot of useless crappy education--ex. gender studies--that is really anti-education. But overall Americans are more "educated", than when i was a kid, but the economic state of the working and middle class is stagnant.

    Where Hanauer is incoherent is cause and cure. Bumping up the minimum wage--fine. But we have a market economy setting wages. The minimum wage isn't the issue. The issue is wage stagnation across the working and middle classes. And the biggest cause of that stagnation is overwhelmingly immigration.

    You aren't going to have rising wages when you labor market is opened to the entire world.

    Plus when you nation is flooded with immigrants, the critical middle class thing you want to get with your declining wage--a nice house in decent neighborhood with "good schools"--becomes radically more expensive.

    Immigration isn't the *only* thing that's caused this problem. The birth control pill and then all the nasty stuff the progs have pushed--feminism, slutism, divorce, illegitimacy, "many kinds of families", decline of religion, minoritarianism, basically the full attack on the traditional culture and norms of Western Christian civilization--is causal as well. (Basically all the stuff Charles Murray gets into in "Coming Apart".)

    But immigration--whacking down white guys' wage earning potential, and hence value as husband, and authority as patriarch; while mocking and abusing him at the same time--is the heart and soul of the issue.

    ~~

    Any article that mentions "income inequality" or phrases akin to "wage stagnation" and does not highlight immigration is just bullshit--a fraud. So Hanauer while correct that "educationism" is a fraud, has produced a fraud as well.

    Accounting is supposed to be a well paid secure professional occupation isn’t it? It’s becime the job if Fillipino women and Indian men No White men need apply.

    I really need to leave Unz. You commenters are idiots. You’re all old codgers who only had 1 or 2 kids THANKS TO THE BIRTH CONTROL PILL yet you are against the pill. You blame affirmative action lowering wages and raising prices on White women’s promiscuity ( must be lesbians as men are all virgins till marriage.

    Affirmative action discrimination against Whute men has nothing to do with it. Mass immigration of non White immigrants has nothing to do with it. The capitalist pigs roaming the world for the most poverty stricken wretches in the world has nothing to do with it.

    Oh no, it’s all due to the birth control pill and promiscuity if women but not men.

    Frankly my friends this discussion about teen age girls by elderly men is perverse.

    Do any of you know that sex takes 2 people?

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Do any of you know that sex takes 2 people?
     
    Technically yes, but in reality it just takes 1 person. The woman's willingness is pretty much the main factor that determines whether sex happens or not. Men are thinking about sex constantly, and most men will have sex with virtually any woman if it's offered, barring perhaps severely deformed or extremely obese women, and even then there's a sizable number of men into having sex with such women, and among the rest of men, they'll have sex with such women if they haven't had sex in a while and are horny enough.
  154. Reading this and other threads, I’m beginning to believe that medieval monks whose parents gave them to the monastery at age 7 knew more about women than you men do.

  155. @The Last Real Calvinist
    On a related topic: Very Rich Person Nick Hanauer resolves all the problems in American education in a short essay: LINK

    His thesis? It's not the schools that are bad. Instead, educational inequality is the direct result of inequality in household income:


    Even the most thoughtful and well-intentioned school-reform program can’t improve educational outcomes if it ignores the single greatest driver of student achievement: household income.

    For all the genuine flaws of the American education system, the nation still has many high-achieving public-school districts. Nearly all of them are united by a thriving community of economically secure middle-class families with sufficient political power to demand great schools, the time and resources to participate in those schools, and the tax money to amply fund them. In short, great public schools are the product of a thriving middle class, not the other way around. Pay people enough to afford dignified middle-class lives, and high-quality public schools will follow. But allow economic inequality to grow, and educational inequality will inevitably grow with it.
     

    This problem is super-easy to fix:

    In fact, the most direct way to address rising economic inequality is to simply pay ordinary workers more, by increasing the minimum wage and the salary threshold for overtime exemption; by restoring bargaining power for labor; and by instating higher taxes—much higher taxes—on rich people like me and on our estates.

     

    Well, at least Nick is tormented by guilt (LOL) over his own obscene wealth.

    Nick’’s never met an affirmative action black lawyer, appointed a judge as soon as he had his 5 years in who couldn’t read. Truly really Judge Perkins

  156. I don’t read Teen Vogue and I won’t read that article but others have noticed it on the inter webs brought it to the attention of old men like me. And I would no more allow my daughter near teen vogue than I would allow her near the plague.

  157. @Jake
    "American young people have been poisoned by our culture."

    Absolutely true. And the key is that it is 'our' culture in the sense that it is WASP culture playing out, going to its logical ends. All whites eventually assimilated to Yank WASP culture. And we have been poisoned.

    To make that point in keeping with the specific subject: the first Feminist conference was not a Jewish affair. The Seneca Falls Convention was held in Seneca Falls, NY in 1848. 100% of the attendees were Yankee WASPs. The movement had grown directly out of Abolitionism (proving from the start that BROs come before HOs in reformer/progressive/liberal WASPism). The leaders were all aware of, and stridently proud of, being spiritual and political and cultural heirs of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism in its larger sense of all groups that opposed monarchy, landed aristocracy, pre-Reformation traditions of any kind, and anything to do with 'church' that could be seen as some kind of leftover from Catholicism. They were the perfect mix of Anglo-Saxon Puritan in the specific sense with Quaker.

    And their fruits long term are poison.

    See Burned-Over District. Good ideas perhaps, in moderate doses.

  158. I’m 34 and surrounded by women in the 24-35 cohort.

    If a woman in this cohort is remotely in shape, there’s an 85% chance she played sports growing-up/in college; that figure goes up to 95% if she’s in the 30+ part of the curve.

    Many of the most pleasant, well adjusted women played sports; the heinous SJW’s never did, and are not/were never considered conventionally attractive (which many of the athletes were).

    Paleo Retiree has no clue what he’s talking about.

    • Replies: @Low Voltage
    With all due respect, if you're 34 and have never been out of America, you probably have no idea what attractive feminine women are like. Of course, an in shape unfeminine woman is preferable to a fat unfeminine woman, but neither one is very charming. American women are fun to pal around with, but once you've had a woman that takes pride in making you happy, you'll never look at women the same way again.

    The Paleo retiree is onto something, but I don't think the whole problem can be blamed on sports. Competitive team sports are lesbian factories, but modern women are simply not groomed to be nurturing partners. They have this inflated sense of self-worth, and they can simply pay a man to do anything that needs doing. Even worse, the attractive ones have male friends that will do those things for free. Suckers!
    , @Spangel
    I’m not much older than you and I agree. The people blaming sports must not know much about young American women.

    Virtually all girls play a sport at some point these days. Including the hot ones. Including the swjs but especially the hot ones. It’s just a normal thing parents do with little girls.

    People don’t seem to be getting the concept of biological determinism. Sports doesn’t do anything to make girls more masculine. Because they are girls. If you put them in sports, they simply don’t care about it. They do it and forget about it. Many of my daughter’s friends are in team sports, and the challenge their parents face is getting them to care at all about even winning (this is why I stopped the team sports with my daughter). Half the time they try to forfeit games so they can do something else.

    Once girls grow out of team sports age, they go on with their lives and never give much thought to the sport. They don’t go to games or follow the sport.

    I guess when you mention it, swjs are indeed less likely to have played a sport (though most still played at least one). Sports make a girl fit and popular and all american in high school, blunting her resentment. Sjws tended to be awkward outcasts or artsy types in high school.
    , @Corn
    Related to BigDickNick?
  159. @Corvinus
    "Interesting. I don’t actually know much about young women these days, so I personally don’t have an opinion."

    Mr. Sailer, of course you have an opinion. You NOTICE everything! Thanks for being disingenuous.

    "Finding a feminine, charming, graceful young woman who enjoys being a woman is fairly rare."

    Martel, they are EVERYWHERE!

    No, I don’t really know enough young women to have an opinion on generational changes.

    In general, I find generational differences hard to generalize about.

    • Replies: @Spangel
    Are there any young women who read this site?

    Gals, comment if Steve actually does know some young women.
    , @Corvinus
    So you can find time out of your busy day to offer a response to that comment, but not my insight about Trump malfeasance. Stay cagey!

    "In general, I find generational differences hard to generalize about."

    LOL. Sure you do, Mr. Sailer.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/generation-does-not-exist

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/a-simple-reform-of-generations

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/my-vdare-review-of-generations-of

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/young-generations-motto-trust-anyone
  160. I cannot stand this way many young women talk these days. I’m going on 60, so that’s to be expected somewhat, but the affectations and accents they contrive are most annoying: the dropped t’s (“getting” vs. “ge’ ing”) short e’s become u (“set” vs. “sut”) the vocal fry, the uptalk. As if they’re trying to create a new bastard Transatlantic Accent out of thin air, without ever hearing, or knowing, of the original.

  161. @Irish Paleo
    Women of the world, unite and fight!!! After all, who wants to be the Olsen twins when you can be the Williams sisters?

    All four of them are dudes, Sport.

  162. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    Accounting is supposed to be a well paid secure professional occupation isn’t it? It’s becime the job if Fillipino women and Indian men No White men need apply.

    I really need to leave Unz. You commenters are idiots. You’re all old codgers who only had 1 or 2 kids THANKS TO THE BIRTH CONTROL PILL yet you are against the pill. You blame affirmative action lowering wages and raising prices on White women’s promiscuity ( must be lesbians as men are all virgins till marriage.

    Affirmative action discrimination against Whute men has nothing to do with it. Mass immigration of non White immigrants has nothing to do with it. The capitalist pigs roaming the world for the most poverty stricken wretches in the world has nothing to do with it.

    Oh no, it’s all due to the birth control pill and promiscuity if women but not men.

    Frankly my friends this discussion about teen age girls by elderly men is perverse.

    Do any of you know that sex takes 2 people?

    Do any of you know that sex takes 2 people?

    Technically yes, but in reality it just takes 1 person. The woman’s willingness is pretty much the main factor that determines whether sex happens or not. Men are thinking about sex constantly, and most men will have sex with virtually any woman if it’s offered, barring perhaps severely deformed or extremely obese women, and even then there’s a sizable number of men into having sex with such women, and among the rest of men, they’ll have sex with such women if they haven’t had sex in a while and are horny enough.

  163. @Big Dick Bandit
    I'm 34 and surrounded by women in the 24-35 cohort.

    If a woman in this cohort is remotely in shape, there's an 85% chance she played sports growing-up/in college; that figure goes up to 95% if she's in the 30+ part of the curve.

    Many of the most pleasant, well adjusted women played sports; the heinous SJW's never did, and are not/were never considered conventionally attractive (which many of the athletes were).

    Paleo Retiree has no clue what he's talking about.

    With all due respect, if you’re 34 and have never been out of America, you probably have no idea what attractive feminine women are like. Of course, an in shape unfeminine woman is preferable to a fat unfeminine woman, but neither one is very charming. American women are fun to pal around with, but once you’ve had a woman that takes pride in making you happy, you’ll never look at women the same way again.

    The Paleo retiree is onto something, but I don’t think the whole problem can be blamed on sports. Competitive team sports are lesbian factories, but modern women are simply not groomed to be nurturing partners. They have this inflated sense of self-worth, and they can simply pay a man to do anything that needs doing. Even worse, the attractive ones have male friends that will do those things for free. Suckers!

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    if you’re 34 and have never been out of America, you probably have no idea what attractive feminine women are like

    The other day I was sitting at a cafe in a European city, when a group of very attractive young women walked by. Beautiful legs, nice summer outfits, all of them smiling and relaxed. Easily the most attractive group of women I had seen all day. I was a little surprised to hear them speaking American English as they walked by.

    I also see this on my son's college campus. Young American upper class women today are far more physically attractive than the American women I went to college with in the 1980s. They are in better shape, have better fashion sense, and probably spend hours getting make-up tips from YouTubers. We live in a world where every young woman is part fashion model and needs to be prepared to post her picture on Instagram or Snapchat at any time. You can make your own judgements as to their character, but superficially American women are now more "feminine" than most European women. European women, at least English, Germans and Austrians, also are far too prone to getting tattoos, which is a disgrace.
    , @James Kabala
    In my experience a common personality trait of a female athlete (I mean a regular high school girl, not someone of WNBA/World Cup level) is goody-goody earnestness, presumably derived from having to work together and build camaraderie as part of a team. This type of personality can for sure be turned toward left-wing causes, but not usually in a way that is overtly unpleasant on a day-to-day basis. Sports does not seem to have a negative effect on their personality at all.
  164. @obwandiyag
    Polish women are frightening. There is nothing soft and endearing about their "femininity."

    Polish women are very different from Ukrainians and Russians. I, personally, blame the Catholic church.

  165. @Low Voltage
    With all due respect, if you're 34 and have never been out of America, you probably have no idea what attractive feminine women are like. Of course, an in shape unfeminine woman is preferable to a fat unfeminine woman, but neither one is very charming. American women are fun to pal around with, but once you've had a woman that takes pride in making you happy, you'll never look at women the same way again.

    The Paleo retiree is onto something, but I don't think the whole problem can be blamed on sports. Competitive team sports are lesbian factories, but modern women are simply not groomed to be nurturing partners. They have this inflated sense of self-worth, and they can simply pay a man to do anything that needs doing. Even worse, the attractive ones have male friends that will do those things for free. Suckers!

    if you’re 34 and have never been out of America, you probably have no idea what attractive feminine women are like

    The other day I was sitting at a cafe in a European city, when a group of very attractive young women walked by. Beautiful legs, nice summer outfits, all of them smiling and relaxed. Easily the most attractive group of women I had seen all day. I was a little surprised to hear them speaking American English as they walked by.

    I also see this on my son’s college campus. Young American upper class women today are far more physically attractive than the American women I went to college with in the 1980s. They are in better shape, have better fashion sense, and probably spend hours getting make-up tips from YouTubers. We live in a world where every young woman is part fashion model and needs to be prepared to post her picture on Instagram or Snapchat at any time. You can make your own judgements as to their character, but superficially American women are now more “feminine” than most European women. European women, at least English, Germans and Austrians, also are far too prone to getting tattoos, which is a disgrace.

  166. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    What about horse chicks ? They are often lesbians though.

    Im ambivalent about this. exercise promotes good health.

    I liked and respected tomboy chicks as a kid.

    I find that girls that like horses are usually more feminine. I think you’re getting it mixed up with Lesbian types that like horse-faced women.

    • Replies: @Corn
    Agreed. Horses aren’t a cheap hobby. I always thought horse women were more “daddy’s little princess” types than butch lesbians.
  167. @Peter Akuleyev
    Have you actually been to Eastern Europe? There tend to be a lot of romantic notions about Eastern Europe floating around the blogosphere. I know a lot of American men who have been burned very badly by relationships with women from Slavic countries. Maybe American men are no longer capable of seeing beyond the charm and seduction and have become easy marks for women who are actually a lot smarter and more ambitious than they are.

    Have you actually been to Eastern Europe?

    I’ve been there practically every one of the past nineteen years, because I’m married to an actual female from there. I’m well-fed and well-loved, and my house is somehow always spotless even though I don’t clean. My clothes magically appear ready to wear even though I don’t do laundry. If that’s being burned, then stand back because I’m on fire.

    Of course Hungarians aren’t Slavic, so maybe they don’t fit into your scenario. I don’t know, but I’ve written plenty here previously about my situation, so I will say no more.

    Oh, I will add that sometimes I lose my temper, but she never does. When I am angry, she does not turn my anger into a fight. She understands that I am male, and that males sometimes growl. American women have lost that part of femininity.

    There certainly must be cases that conform to your description, but Daniel H has a very good point.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    I thought your wife was Romanian. Or is she a Hungarian from Romania?
  168. Love that clip. Amélie is after my own heart.

    Audrey Tautou
    Audrey Hepburn

    And here is Maria de Medeiros in Pulp Fiction:

  169. Here is my favorite clip when it comes to French culture. Fantastic singer.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    I like this one too:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NssgsCnjTK8
    , @Cagey Beast
    I just remembered this one:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFy9j5k89x0

    On the topic of French femininity, I'd recommend the movie 8 Women: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0283832/ . It's sort of the musical version of an Agatha Christie stage play.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwEKd6DovzY
  170. @SimpleSong
    Having had both boys and girls it is obvious that girls really don't have a lot of natural affinity towards sports, but as they tend to conform more to social expectations (compared to boys) they can be pushed that way fairly easily if you want to. But why would you want to, if they don't show much interest? What's wrong with being a girl and liking girly things? It seems like there is a lot of self-loathing in American women, the rotten core of feminism is not that they hate men, it is that they hate women. Feminism disdains the feminine! I can't understand why you would denigrate motherhood, literally the most important thing for the species, for the entire biosphere actually, and elevate girls playing sportsball. Just don't get it.

    Also, protip from an old man, if you want to push your girl into something traditionally male in order to make it easier for her to get into college/get scholarship money, think STEM, not sports. Trust me on this one.

    Women in STEM are surrounded by Asian and Indian men and the few white men see them as competitors.

    If you want your daughter to get married….put her in the way of STEM men without being STEM and make her pretty and nice.

  171. @Buzz Mohawk

    Have you actually been to Eastern Europe?
     
    I've been there practically every one of the past nineteen years, because I'm married to an actual female from there. I'm well-fed and well-loved, and my house is somehow always spotless even though I don't clean. My clothes magically appear ready to wear even though I don't do laundry. If that's being burned, then stand back because I'm on fire.

    Of course Hungarians aren't Slavic, so maybe they don't fit into your scenario. I don't know, but I've written plenty here previously about my situation, so I will say no more.

    Oh, I will add that sometimes I lose my temper, but she never does. When I am angry, she does not turn my anger into a fight. She understands that I am male, and that males sometimes growl. American women have lost that part of femininity.

    There certainly must be cases that conform to your description, but Daniel H has a very good point.

    I thought your wife was Romanian. Or is she a Hungarian from Romania?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Hungarian from Romania.
  172. @Anonymous
    What about horse chicks ? They are often lesbians though.

    Im ambivalent about this. exercise promotes good health.

    I liked and respected tomboy chicks as a kid.

    Horse chicks are beyond insane. They will never love anything nearly as much as the horse.

    And, oh yeah nominal boyfriend, you can make yourself useful paying for and maintaining the horse as long as you’re around…

  173. @Anonymous
    What about horse chicks ? They are often lesbians though.

    Im ambivalent about this. exercise promotes good health.

    I liked and respected tomboy chicks as a kid.

    I’ve been in the horse business since 1981, mostly at the highest levels. It’s been great fun. Everyone is thin and beautiful, even the women.

  174. @Steve Sailer
    No, I don't really know enough young women to have an opinion on generational changes.

    In general, I find generational differences hard to generalize about.

    Are there any young women who read this site?

    Gals, comment if Steve actually does know some young women.

  175. @Big Dick Bandit
    I'm 34 and surrounded by women in the 24-35 cohort.

    If a woman in this cohort is remotely in shape, there's an 85% chance she played sports growing-up/in college; that figure goes up to 95% if she's in the 30+ part of the curve.

    Many of the most pleasant, well adjusted women played sports; the heinous SJW's never did, and are not/were never considered conventionally attractive (which many of the athletes were).

    Paleo Retiree has no clue what he's talking about.

    I’m not much older than you and I agree. The people blaming sports must not know much about young American women.

    Virtually all girls play a sport at some point these days. Including the hot ones. Including the swjs but especially the hot ones. It’s just a normal thing parents do with little girls.

    People don’t seem to be getting the concept of biological determinism. Sports doesn’t do anything to make girls more masculine. Because they are girls. If you put them in sports, they simply don’t care about it. They do it and forget about it. Many of my daughter’s friends are in team sports, and the challenge their parents face is getting them to care at all about even winning (this is why I stopped the team sports with my daughter). Half the time they try to forfeit games so they can do something else.

    Once girls grow out of team sports age, they go on with their lives and never give much thought to the sport. They don’t go to games or follow the sport.

    I guess when you mention it, swjs are indeed less likely to have played a sport (though most still played at least one). Sports make a girl fit and popular and all american in high school, blunting her resentment. Sjws tended to be awkward outcasts or artsy types in high school.

  176. @Steve Sailer
    No, I don't really know enough young women to have an opinion on generational changes.

    In general, I find generational differences hard to generalize about.

    So you can find time out of your busy day to offer a response to that comment, but not my insight about Trump malfeasance. Stay cagey!

    “In general, I find generational differences hard to generalize about.”

    LOL. Sure you do, Mr. Sailer.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/generation-does-not-exist

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/a-simple-reform-of-generations

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/my-vdare-review-of-generations-of

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/young-generations-motto-trust-anyone

  177. @Big Dick Bandit
    I'm 34 and surrounded by women in the 24-35 cohort.

    If a woman in this cohort is remotely in shape, there's an 85% chance she played sports growing-up/in college; that figure goes up to 95% if she's in the 30+ part of the curve.

    Many of the most pleasant, well adjusted women played sports; the heinous SJW's never did, and are not/were never considered conventionally attractive (which many of the athletes were).

    Paleo Retiree has no clue what he's talking about.

    Related to BigDickNick?

  178. @anonymous
    I find that girls that like horses are usually more feminine. I think you're getting it mixed up with Lesbian types that like horse-faced women.

    Agreed. Horses aren’t a cheap hobby. I always thought horse women were more “daddy’s little princess” types than butch lesbians.

  179. @Days of Broken Arrows
    Here is my favorite clip when it comes to French culture. Fantastic singer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAMPPdBsnt4

    I like this one too:

  180. @Romanian
    I thought your wife was Romanian. Or is she a Hungarian from Romania?

    Hungarian from Romania.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    Hope she doesn't vote UDMR!
  181. @Days of Broken Arrows
    Here is my favorite clip when it comes to French culture. Fantastic singer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAMPPdBsnt4

    I just remembered this one:

    On the topic of French femininity, I’d recommend the movie 8 Women: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0283832/ . It’s sort of the musical version of an Agatha Christie stage play.

  182. @Jake
    "American young people have been poisoned by our culture."

    Absolutely true. And the key is that it is 'our' culture in the sense that it is WASP culture playing out, going to its logical ends. All whites eventually assimilated to Yank WASP culture. And we have been poisoned.

    To make that point in keeping with the specific subject: the first Feminist conference was not a Jewish affair. The Seneca Falls Convention was held in Seneca Falls, NY in 1848. 100% of the attendees were Yankee WASPs. The movement had grown directly out of Abolitionism (proving from the start that BROs come before HOs in reformer/progressive/liberal WASPism). The leaders were all aware of, and stridently proud of, being spiritual and political and cultural heirs of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism in its larger sense of all groups that opposed monarchy, landed aristocracy, pre-Reformation traditions of any kind, and anything to do with 'church' that could be seen as some kind of leftover from Catholicism. They were the perfect mix of Anglo-Saxon Puritan in the specific sense with Quaker.

    And their fruits long term are poison.

    To make that point in keeping with the specific subject: the first Feminist conference was not a Jewish affair. The Seneca Falls Convention was held in Seneca Falls, NY in 1848. 100% of the attendees were Yankee WASPs. The movement had grown directly out of Abolitionism…

    You’ve persuaded me the WASP/Puritans pioneered much social damage to The West and have me suspecting the Jews have never invented anything and even copy the initiatives conceived by others when doing their diabolical Jew evil.

    …(proving from the start that BROs come before HOs in reformer/progressive/liberal WASPism).

    Well, now nobody can say Catholic critics of evil lack a sense of humor or that rappers can out-rhyme us. (Anybody black inclined to fault us for that little piece of fun needs to check their black brothers who put that filth out loudly in the public space, not us for ridiculing it here among adults!)

    The leaders were all aware of, and stridently proud of, being spiritual and political and cultural heirs of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism in its larger sense of all groups that opposed monarchy, landed aristocracy, pre-Reformation traditions of any kind, and anything to do with ‘church’ that could be seen as some kind of leftover from Catholicism.

    Exactly why the Amsterdam Jews who had fled Spain funded the Protestant Reformation, to wipe out all vestiges of the Roman Catholic Church founded by Jesus.

  183. My impression is that sports do have some benefits to girls: it teaches them some good values like discipline, teamwork, hard training/work, at a time when feminism tells young girls they don’t need any of them. The bad side of women’s sports is that it is a magnet for predatory lesbians, and teenage girls/young women could be specially vulnerable to this,

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  184. @Low Voltage
    With all due respect, if you're 34 and have never been out of America, you probably have no idea what attractive feminine women are like. Of course, an in shape unfeminine woman is preferable to a fat unfeminine woman, but neither one is very charming. American women are fun to pal around with, but once you've had a woman that takes pride in making you happy, you'll never look at women the same way again.

    The Paleo retiree is onto something, but I don't think the whole problem can be blamed on sports. Competitive team sports are lesbian factories, but modern women are simply not groomed to be nurturing partners. They have this inflated sense of self-worth, and they can simply pay a man to do anything that needs doing. Even worse, the attractive ones have male friends that will do those things for free. Suckers!

    In my experience a common personality trait of a female athlete (I mean a regular high school girl, not someone of WNBA/World Cup level) is goody-goody earnestness, presumably derived from having to work together and build camaraderie as part of a team. This type of personality can for sure be turned toward left-wing causes, but not usually in a way that is overtly unpleasant on a day-to-day basis. Sports does not seem to have a negative effect on their personality at all.

  185. @Buzz Mohawk
    Hungarian from Romania.

    Hope she doesn’t vote UDMR!

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    She is a Trump supporter and votes Republican, at the same polling place I do.

    She is also an Orbán supporter and mails her votes for his Fidesz party to Hungary.

    For some reason, she doesn't bother to vote in the Romanian elections (even though she could) so you need not worry. LOL

    BTW I find multiple citizenship weird and illogical, but that is her situation. Her family tried to get me Hungarian citizenship, did all the paperwork, but I didn't bother to study and failed the language test -- I don't mind at all; it was my passive-aggressive way of asserting my belief in loyalty to my home country.

  186. @Forbes
    The very rich person Nick Hanauer suffers the common problem of his wealthy contemporaries--he believes he must be genius-like smart if he's so wealthy.

    He fails to recognize that he's the equivalent of a lottery winner. His wealth comes from selling an advertising business to Microsoft for $6.4 billion. He was also an early investor in Amazon.

    (Neither the family bedding business, nor his picture framing business generated his wealth.)

    Much (most?) of life does involve being at the right place at the right time. But that is called luck.

    It shouldn't be, but it's always is a little surprising, the people seen as successful think the only difference with the less well-off is one's income. Not character. Not lifestyle. Not habits. Not virtues. Not effort. Not impulse control and future-time orientation.

    Not all the things well within one's own control--except for the luck of being in the right place at the right time. Like Nick Hanauer.

    Much (most?) of life does involve being at the right place at the right time. But that is called luck.

    It shouldn’t be, but it’s always is a little surprising, the people seen as successful think the only difference with the less well-off is one’s income. Not character. Not lifestyle. Not habits. Not virtues. Not effort. Not impulse control and future-time orientation.

    Indeed; well said.

    In the past, and in many other cultures, there existed/exists at least an expectation of gratitude for, or at least acknowledgement of, good luck or fate or God’s will — or whatever you call that which affects you but you cannot control.

    Hanauer wants to think he’s in control. He’s got his money-hammer, and it’s worked for him, so it must work for everybody else, too. That is a form of pride that leads to many perhaps unintended and even unforeseen consequences, but which is a sin never the less.

  187. @KunioKun
    Number 1 best rule for raising kids in 2019: Don't let your kids near American TV shows.

    Don't let your kids consume any entertainment uncritically. This turns entertainment into a kind of drinking game where we all laugh when leftwing propaganda pops up. One of our favorites is "The Blonde guy is evil!" Black people teach their kids that all cops want to kill them. White people need to teach their kids that anybody in entertainment is a drugged up pervert who hates them and wants them to hurt themselves. Derbyshire's famous talk is also good. This will inoculate your kids from the poison they will get from their friends and school.

    There are so many things competing for our time today that I suspect most kids playing sports don't need to be "pushed" by their parents. They probably want to be there. Sports will not let your girls escape from boys. Sports will also not let your girls escape from filthy music. Every little girl from a young age is exposed to it. Only a few years ago I recall hearing girls in elementary school singing "I want to funk you up" over and over on a play ground.

    You cannot expect kids to magically learn basic skills through osmosis. You actually have to show them how to cook and change a tire and have grace etc. Perhaps there was a time when popular culture filled that gap, but those days are over. One nice thing about being surrounded by madness is that you have plenty of "teachable moments."

    Number 1 best rule for raising kids in 2019: Don’t let your kids near American TV shows.

    Don’t let them near any American popular culture.

  188. @Romanian
    Hope she doesn't vote UDMR!

    She is a Trump supporter and votes Republican, at the same polling place I do.

    She is also an Orbán supporter and mails her votes for his Fidesz party to Hungary.

    For some reason, she doesn’t bother to vote in the Romanian elections (even though she could) so you need not worry. LOL

    BTW I find multiple citizenship weird and illogical, but that is her situation. Her family tried to get me Hungarian citizenship, did all the paperwork, but I didn’t bother to study and failed the language test — I don’t mind at all; it was my passive-aggressive way of asserting my belief in loyalty to my home country.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    Thanks for the answer. Wow, a triple citizen. I have met only a few in my life. I'm happily stuck with my one. My young Hungarian acquaintances from Hungary are all annoyed about the votes that Fidesz gets from surrounding countries, especially Romania, which is an important electorat pool for him, justifying the frequent visits and the special attention. Notwithstanding my personal admiration for him, I am annoyed by it as well, though not for the same reasons (like being told in Budapest that the Szekler flag on the Parliament building for the upcoming elections at the time is the Transylvanian flag).

    A shame your spouse does not vote in Romanian elections as well, though 2 out of 3 was not bad in the civics department. Neither could she vote UDMR, since she would be on the diaspora vote for non-residents, which is made up of a lot of independents. Nor do I think she would vote UDMR, who are champions of political whoring even for Romania and there are new parties that challenge them for the Hungarian vote. Btw, if you want to annoy and/or amuse her, you can tell her this dirty joke: "Why does everyone appreciate Hungarian women? Because they are UDMR-u". (a pun meaning always wet, but works only in Romanian)
  189. If you’re curious about what’s bubbling up in the culture and what you’re likely to be seeing more of in the future, Teen Vogue is definitely worth looking at. Where Teen Vogue is going, the NYTimes will likely be going in a few years.

  190. @Jake
    "American young people have been poisoned by our culture."

    Absolutely true. And the key is that it is 'our' culture in the sense that it is WASP culture playing out, going to its logical ends. All whites eventually assimilated to Yank WASP culture. And we have been poisoned.

    To make that point in keeping with the specific subject: the first Feminist conference was not a Jewish affair. The Seneca Falls Convention was held in Seneca Falls, NY in 1848. 100% of the attendees were Yankee WASPs. The movement had grown directly out of Abolitionism (proving from the start that BROs come before HOs in reformer/progressive/liberal WASPism). The leaders were all aware of, and stridently proud of, being spiritual and political and cultural heirs of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism in its larger sense of all groups that opposed monarchy, landed aristocracy, pre-Reformation traditions of any kind, and anything to do with 'church' that could be seen as some kind of leftover from Catholicism. They were the perfect mix of Anglo-Saxon Puritan in the specific sense with Quaker.

    And their fruits long term are poison.

    To make that point in keeping with the specific subject: the first Feminist conference was not a Jewish affair. The Seneca Falls Convention was held in Seneca Falls, NY in 1848. 100% of the attendees were Yankee WASPs. The movement had grown directly out of Abolitionism

    Good point. American feminism was definitely a product of Puritanism.

    European feminism (starting with Mary Wollstonecraft in the late 18th century) on the other hand goes back directly to the Enlightenment.

    Of course both Puritanism and the Enlightenment were among the evil fruits of the Reformation.

  191. @Buzz Mohawk
    She is a Trump supporter and votes Republican, at the same polling place I do.

    She is also an Orbán supporter and mails her votes for his Fidesz party to Hungary.

    For some reason, she doesn't bother to vote in the Romanian elections (even though she could) so you need not worry. LOL

    BTW I find multiple citizenship weird and illogical, but that is her situation. Her family tried to get me Hungarian citizenship, did all the paperwork, but I didn't bother to study and failed the language test -- I don't mind at all; it was my passive-aggressive way of asserting my belief in loyalty to my home country.

    Thanks for the answer. Wow, a triple citizen. I have met only a few in my life. I’m happily stuck with my one. My young Hungarian acquaintances from Hungary are all annoyed about the votes that Fidesz gets from surrounding countries, especially Romania, which is an important electorat pool for him, justifying the frequent visits and the special attention. Notwithstanding my personal admiration for him, I am annoyed by it as well, though not for the same reasons (like being told in Budapest that the Szekler flag on the Parliament building for the upcoming elections at the time is the Transylvanian flag).

    A shame your spouse does not vote in Romanian elections as well, though 2 out of 3 was not bad in the civics department. Neither could she vote UDMR, since she would be on the diaspora vote for non-residents, which is made up of a lot of independents. Nor do I think she would vote UDMR, who are champions of political whoring even for Romania and there are new parties that challenge them for the Hungarian vote. Btw, if you want to annoy and/or amuse her, you can tell her this dirty joke: “Why does everyone appreciate Hungarian women? Because they are UDMR-u”. (a pun meaning always wet, but works only in Romanian)

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