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From The Guardian:

Cousin marriages cited as significant factor in Bradford child deaths
Fatal genetic conditions more common in children of south Asian heritage, study says

Nazia Parveen, North of England correspondent

@NParveenG
Fri 15 Feb 2019 11.37 EST

Marriage between cousins leading to fatal genetic conditions remain a factor in a significant proportion of child deaths in Bradford, according to a safeguarding report.

The report by the West Yorkshire city’s child death overview panel found that consanguineous relationships led to deaths from genetic and congenital abnormalities.

The report, published annually by Bradford children’s safeguarding board, reviewed 69 child deaths. These included 29 that occurred in 2017-18, 33 in 2016-17, and seven that took place in previous years.

More than two-thirds of these deaths, 67%, involved children under the age of one, most of whom died within 28 days.

Children of south Asian heritage were overrepresented in the figures compared with the population of the Bradford district, according to the report, with 45 (65%) of the children being of south Asian background. Those of south Asian heritage comprise 37% of Bradford’s under-18 population.

Thirty of the 69 deaths (43%) were categorised as chromosomal, genetic and congenital anomalies, conditions that are more common in families with parents who are related.

 
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  1. These people are literally inbred religious fundamentalists. They’ve been imported en masse into England.

    • Replies: @Cato
    Those who come in, when it is time to find a spouse, go back to Pakistan and marry a cousin, since it is the family objective to bring in as many of the extended family as possible. So the one genetic benefit of migration -- outbreeding -- is forfeited.
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    These people are literally inbred religious fundamentalists.
     
    OK, then, does that mean we're going to see a Pakistani Deliverance -remake, involving a group of 3 close cousins riding the whitewater down the River Thames, while encountering men that request one of them squeal like a pig?

    Moslems are not known to do a lot of banjo pickin', though, and I guess the scene would have to be changed to "squeal like a goat" for reasons of blaspheme.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsC4kf6x_Q0
    , @Anonymous
    .......and they are also rock solid, reliable Labour Party voters.

    In this case the political calculus dominates the economic calculus.
  2. Making cousin marriage odious and impracticable might make Paks less inclined to emigrate to the territory in question. Pressure to be tubally ligated on women giving birth to inbred defectives would be good too.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    I was thinking that it would be worthwhile to test new spouses and prohibit entry to couples related more closely than second cousins, but that works too.

    But since they come for the gibs, it would probably be most effective to cut inbred couples and their offspring off ALL assistance including the NHS.  Since most are unemployable in a first-world economy, they'd have to go home.
  3. We should continue to encourage Pakistanis to engage in cousin marriage to preserve all those Pakistani characteristics that everyone admires.

    • LOL: RadicalCenter
  4. About a month ago there was a radio presentation of a talk by Australian doctors about the emerging antibiotic-proof superbugs which are normal in the developing world. The bugs were explicitly tied to India and immigration. The people showing up in Australian hospitals with antibiotic-defeating bugs were always recently arrived immigrants from South Asia.
    Last night on BBC radio a different Australian discussed his country’s plans regarding stationing refugee camps on distant islands in incredulous, stop-from-laughing tones, “as though these people had diseases.”
    Just imagine if we were allowed to discuss these problems before being dropped into them, or if our official public discussers were not liars.

    • Replies: @RudyM
    Yes, I've seen people criticize discussion of immigrants as potential bearers of disease as, of course, standard xenophobic rhetoric (xenophobic tropes!); but are we to believe that poor people from developing countries don't have exposure to diseases that are basically unknown in more technologically advanced, and better managed, societies? It's the same trick, over and over again, of focusing on analyzing discourse and rhetoric, without regard to how much basis in fact it has. "What you see here is a pattern of right-wing discourse." Okay, and how much or how little does it reflect reality?
    , @Svigor

    Just imagine if we were allowed to discuss these problems before being dropped into them, or if our official public discussers were not liars.
     
    Or, you know, not ambulatory/above ground.
  5. Don’t worry, the main problem—academics like Noah Carl attempting to scientifically study the effects of cousin marriage—is being dealt with. David Graeber’s Volunteer Auxiliary Thought Police will be on the hunt for anyone who dares to examine the impact of vibrant foreign cultures’ diverse practices.

  6. The way Islam works practically, MuMu was the perfect man, his utopian commune at Yathrib was the ideal society (or at least it was once they murdered all the Jews after promising they wouldn’t), and any moral and sensible person, having been appraised of this perfection, must strive to imitate this example in everything. Dumb behaviors are set in stone because one of the Prophet’s drinking buddies is said to have once done that (this is a powerful theological argument, frequently used). And if you try to correct it, you are now attacking the divinely-ordained perfect society.
    Of course there are more intelligent and more modern Muslims, and theological arguments can be found for anything provided they are accepted, but updating the practices of the particular set that came in strength from Pakistan to England may not be possible.

  7. I have an Iraqi friend who is probably married to his cousin. I don’t want to be rude and ask him, so I’m not certain, but he did say that his wife plans to marry their kids off to cousins. He and his wife are fully aware of the risks (his wife is a physician), but they think the risks are justified given what they see as the deplorable state of the family in the US.

    Sadly, they have a point.

    Is it worse when you have a higher risk of fetal anomalies, or when so many women have abortions and children out of wedlock?

    Ideally you’d have neither, but maybe that’s harder than we think.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    Interesting. As bad as cousin marriages are, in certain subcultures in the U.S. single motherhood and polyamory are so common that many children grow up not knowing who their fathers are, and most fathers have no idea how many kids they've left behind, or where. Even if they cared.

    This means that many ghetto kids have no idea that they may have half-siblings next door, or on the next street, and certainly in school. So even if the people in question were inclined to be careful, they may well not be able.

    , @gate666
    there is nothing wrong with abortions.
    , @Almost Missouri

    "Sadly, they have a point."
     
    When I've discussed contemporary Western mores with Muslims, I've found it hard to disagree with them. We both deplore rampant promiscuity, homomania, inking & piercing, etc. I stop short at seeking a remedy in cousin marriage for my offspring, naturally, but ...

    Consider Steve's definition of race as "a partly-inbred extended family." I do hope my offspring will marry and procreate with Western-descended people, so I guess the difference between me and your Iraqi friend is just a matter of degree: they're aiming for second or third cousin in-laws, while I'm hoping for eleventh- or twelfth-cousin, though I'd be content with any suitable match. Also, I'm not going to arrange my kids' marriages, so there's that. But still, it's only a difference of degree, not kind. And in the big picture, our tastes and objectives are not so far apart, compared to how far I am from proggy SJWs.
    , @Pericles

    Sadly, they have a point.

     

    On the top of their heads.
  8. Since Brexit, Tommy Robinson, etc. etc. don’t seem to have worked to solve this issue, what’s the action plan? Let’s all put our heads together and come up with smart, rational, big tent ways to help solve the problem.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    Take over the Conservative party the same way the SJW/old Trot alliance took over Labour.
  9. Children of south Asian heritage were overrepresented…with 45 (65%) of the children being of south Asian background. … Those of south Asian heritage comprise 37% of Bradford’s under-18 population.

    At the same time, ‘Asians’ have more children than the natives and the comprise 50% of births*.

    [MORE]

    *

    Cohort Profile: The Born in Bradford multi-ethnic family cohort study

    The relatively young age of the population of Pakistani origin and their higher fertility rates, compared with the White British majority population, explain why almost half of babies born in the city have parents of Pakistani origin.

  10. Those of south Asian heritage comprise 37% of Bradford’s under-18 population.

    Note to self: don’t move to Bradford.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Leeds isn't much better, especially Beeston.
    , @Anonymous
    The hometown of the composer Delius and Peter Sutcliffe, the 'Yorkshire Ripper', amongst many others.
  11. Pakistaní retarded offspring are common in the southside of Glasgow.

    Those are the visible evidence of inbreeding.

    A few relatives in the community nursing line say that there are many more hidden at home.

    Perhaps a problem mainly among the FBD (father’s brothers daughter) community of the N Pakistanis and Kashmiris?

  12. @Anon1
    These people are literally inbred religious fundamentalists. They've been imported en masse into England.

    Those who come in, when it is time to find a spouse, go back to Pakistan and marry a cousin, since it is the family objective to bring in as many of the extended family as possible. So the one genetic benefit of migration — outbreeding — is forfeited.

    • Replies: @Saxon
    Genetic benefit? Certainly not to us. Better that they create defective children than reproduce with us. I am aware that they're still indirectly damaging us by bloodsucking us for huge sums of money.
  13. You can inherit pretty big chunks of DNA from ancestors prior to your grandparents, so marrying people descended from your grandparents seems really crazy.

    Might be okay for goats. Problem is Muhammad knew nothing about genetic load or inherited diseases and evidently fancied his cousin. But, who knows, maybe that was common practice in Arabia, before him.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Cousin marriage historically has been the default marriage option. The Church's misinterpretation of a certain Old Testament verse has a lot more to do with the creation of the modern West than many like to admit.
  14. @J.Ross
    About a month ago there was a radio presentation of a talk by Australian doctors about the emerging antibiotic-proof superbugs which are normal in the developing world. The bugs were explicitly tied to India and immigration. The people showing up in Australian hospitals with antibiotic-defeating bugs were always recently arrived immigrants from South Asia.
    Last night on BBC radio a different Australian discussed his country's plans regarding stationing refugee camps on distant islands in incredulous, stop-from-laughing tones, "as though these people had diseases."
    Just imagine if we were allowed to discuss these problems before being dropped into them, or if our official public discussers were not liars.

    Yes, I’ve seen people criticize discussion of immigrants as potential bearers of disease as, of course, standard xenophobic rhetoric (xenophobic tropes!); but are we to believe that poor people from developing countries don’t have exposure to diseases that are basically unknown in more technologically advanced, and better managed, societies? It’s the same trick, over and over again, of focusing on analyzing discourse and rhetoric, without regard to how much basis in fact it has. “What you see here is a pattern of right-wing discourse.” Okay, and how much or how little does it reflect reality?

  15. Consanguinity doesn’t just intensify abnormalities that are present; it also keeps out abnormalities that are not. Wasn’t that the case with generations of Egypt’s royal incest?

    What about the avuncular marriage of Sephardic Jews? Did that result in frequent defects?

    Better find out. It’s legal to this day in Rhode Island!

  16. @Anon1
    These people are literally inbred religious fundamentalists. They've been imported en masse into England.

    These people are literally inbred religious fundamentalists.

    OK, then, does that mean we’re going to see a Pakistani Deliverance -remake, involving a group of 3 close cousins riding the whitewater down the River Thames, while encountering men that request one of them squeal like a pig?

    Moslems are not known to do a lot of banjo pickin’, though, and I guess the scene would have to be changed to “squeal like a goat” for reasons of blaspheme.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    ...does that mean we’re going to see a Pakistani Deliverance remake...

    Moslems are not known to do a lot of banjo pickin’, though...
     

    Scene from London's Underground subway system.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyEEChrg0s0

    , @Pericles

    OK, then, does that mean we’re going to see a Pakistani Deliverance -remake, involving a group of 3 close cousins riding the whitewater down the River Thames, while encountering men that request one of them squeal like a pig?

     

    It would be more of a documentary, what with Rotherham and all that. Homo gang rape is not uncommon either; at least I've heard of more cases than I'd ever wanted since 2015.
  17. This is what separate countries are for; so caved-in-head street-shitters can achieve inbreeding singularity without interference. They don’t have the agency to act in their own “best interests,” so Whites have to take the reins.

  18. @J.Ross
    About a month ago there was a radio presentation of a talk by Australian doctors about the emerging antibiotic-proof superbugs which are normal in the developing world. The bugs were explicitly tied to India and immigration. The people showing up in Australian hospitals with antibiotic-defeating bugs were always recently arrived immigrants from South Asia.
    Last night on BBC radio a different Australian discussed his country's plans regarding stationing refugee camps on distant islands in incredulous, stop-from-laughing tones, "as though these people had diseases."
    Just imagine if we were allowed to discuss these problems before being dropped into them, or if our official public discussers were not liars.

    Just imagine if we were allowed to discuss these problems before being dropped into them, or if our official public discussers were not liars.

    Or, you know, not ambulatory/above ground.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "or if our official public discussers were not liars."

    Guy's got an interesting, idiosyncratic way of spelling "Jews."

    btw, "children of South Asian descent" have absolutely no business being in the North of England.

    None.
  19. Why don’t you want to be enriched?

    Haitian immigrant beheads lady and gets shot and killed by police.

    https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2019/02/07/northgate-homicide-suspect-killed-early-thursday-in-officer-involved-shooting/

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    a possible domestic violence incident
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWYchJI0Cv8



    A far cry from what that town used to be:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NUzNtqu3zQ
  20. The dead Paki babies don’t bother me. It’s those that survive that are the problem for Northern England, the land of my forefathers.

  21. I wonder if, in earlier decades, increased child mortality from cousin marriage simply went unnoticed in third-world countries like Pakistan, where child mortality was already sky-high, thanks to the big four infectious diseases – malaria, typhoid, cholera, and smallpox. By various accounts, life expectancy at birth in Pakistan and India in 1947 was as low as 32 years.

    By contrast, in 21st century Britain, with low child mortality, and constant contact and screening by doctors in the public health system, Pakistani cousin couples are probably now getting keenly aware of the dangers of their type of arranged marriage-the deaths likely stand out much more.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome


    I wonder if, in earlier decades, increased child mortality from cousin marriage simply went unnoticed

     

    19 Paki deaths / 3000 births = 00.63% = 1 in 158

    10 non-Paki deaths / 3000 births = 00.33%
    1 in 300
    , @Steve Sailer
    Right. The Saudi government first noticed the impact of cousin marriage maybe a couple of decades ago. Further in the past, infectious diseases were so bad that genetic infirmities were just statistical noise.
    , @donut
    I wonder if infanticide occurs in enough numbers to be significant . If you're living hand to mouth in a mud hut w/o electricity and plumbing how thin can you spread yourself ? Humanity practiced it for far longer than it has been taboo .
  22. Am I reading this right? Trump didn’t sign the bill and it’s almost midnight?
    https://congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-joint-resolution/31/

  23. In the dock of Tiger Bay
    On the road to Mandalay
    From Bombay to Santa Fe
    Berlin, London or far away…

  24. What the English need to do to put a stop to this is to be nicer to their Pakistani brothers. Offer up their white teenage girls as sexual playthings and see if that curbs their inbreeding tendencies.

    Oh wait, they’ve done that.

    Welp, I’m out of ideas. On to more pressing debates like whether British mums should give up their bottle of Prosecco-a-day habit when they’re 8 months pregnant.

  25. @Achmed E. Newman

    These people are literally inbred religious fundamentalists.
     
    OK, then, does that mean we're going to see a Pakistani Deliverance -remake, involving a group of 3 close cousins riding the whitewater down the River Thames, while encountering men that request one of them squeal like a pig?

    Moslems are not known to do a lot of banjo pickin', though, and I guess the scene would have to be changed to "squeal like a goat" for reasons of blaspheme.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsC4kf6x_Q0

    …does that mean we’re going to see a Pakistani Deliverance remake…

    Moslems are not known to do a lot of banjo pickin’, though…

    Scene from London’s Underground subway system.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Pedantic trainspotter note: That's the Northern Line and appears to be 1962 stock (withdrawn about 20 years ago) thus the video is 20 years old or more.

    Edit: uploader says @1996.

    , @jim jones
    It has been a long time since Tube trains had wooden window frames
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Sounds like he's just doing the ululating that the British just won't do. I wonder if George Harrison (R.I.P.) picked up on any of this - he liked some of those Asian sounds.

    This is such a great song, one of my favorites by The Beatles:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90M60PzmxEE

    Jai guru deva ... ommm*

    Nothing's gonna change my world
    Nothing's gonna change my world
    Nothing's gonna change my world
    Nothing's gonna change my world


    Sure, nothing's gonna change your world... until you get off that acid trip and pay attention.

    .

    * I'd always though it was "Kangaroo days. ohhhh.", but then I have chronic Lyricosis.
  26. @J.Ross
    Why don't you want to be enriched?

    Haitian immigrant beheads lady and gets shot and killed by police.

    https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2019/02/07/northgate-homicide-suspect-killed-early-thursday-in-officer-involved-shooting/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TUM5Ax1H5M

    a possible domestic violence incident

    A far cry from what that town used to be:

  27. OT: Thousands of pills filled with powdered human baby flesh discovered by customs officials in South Korea

    [MORE]

    Thousands of pills filled with powdered human baby flesh discovered by customs officials in South Korea

    More than 17,000 pills smuggled into country have been intercepted since last August

    Pills viewed as a ‘miracle cure’ for all ailments – but unsurprisingly they are harmful

    The grim trade is being run from China where corrupt medical staff are said to be tipping off medical companies when babies are aborted or delivered still-born.

    The tiny corpses are then bought, stored in household refrigerators in homes of those involved in the trade before they are removed and taken to clinics where they are placed in medical drying microwaves.

    Once the skin is tinder dry, it is pummelled into powder and then processed into capsules along with herbs to disguise the true ingredients from health investigators and customs officers.

    The San Francisco Times reported that tests carried out on the pills confirmed they were made up of 99.7 per cent human remains.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The San Francisco Times reported that tests carried out on the pills confirmed they were made up of 99.7 per cent human remains.
     
    That story is seven years old. The kids in those pills would be approaching the age where they could be hired to collect San Francisco's accumulating "night soil".


    http://www.japanesestudies.org.uk/ejcjs/vol16/iss3/szczygiel-figure-6.jpg
  28. Give’em time to adapt, Steve. Pakistanis have only been making Bradford home for what, sixty-plus years now? The next generation will be washing down their jellied eel with a pint of bitter, just you watch!

  29. @trelane
    Those of south Asian heritage comprise 37% of Bradford’s under-18 population.


    Note to self: don't move to Bradford.

    Leeds isn’t much better, especially Beeston.

    • Replies: @Anon1
    Leeds is much better. It's almost like you're in a different country. A country in which Englishmen still exist.
    , @Jonathan Mason
    Very true. For those whose memories of Leeds are of the University, the teaching hospitals, test matches at Headingley, Moortown, Temple Newsham, Roundhay Park, Hyde Park, city center shopping malls, the train station, and easy access to Otley and the Dales, it comes as a surprise to note that statistically vast slabs of the population live in public housing estates in places like Beeston, Harehills, Gipton, Chapeltown, Holbeck, Halton, Belle Isle, and Middleton, which are not so nice.
  30. @PiltdownMan
    I wonder if, in earlier decades, increased child mortality from cousin marriage simply went unnoticed in third-world countries like Pakistan, where child mortality was already sky-high, thanks to the big four infectious diseases - malaria, typhoid, cholera, and smallpox. By various accounts, life expectancy at birth in Pakistan and India in 1947 was as low as 32 years.

    By contrast, in 21st century Britain, with low child mortality, and constant contact and screening by doctors in the public health system, Pakistani cousin couples are probably now getting keenly aware of the dangers of their type of arranged marriage-the deaths likely stand out much more.

    I wonder if, in earlier decades, increased child mortality from cousin marriage simply went unnoticed

    19 Paki deaths / 3000 births = 00.63% = 1 in 158

    10 non-Paki deaths / 3000 births = 00.33%
    1 in 300

  31. Did any of the former colonial subjects ever list as one of their demands the right to move to England? I thought they all wanted the colonial power to leave and grant their independence. I haven’t seen the Gandhi film in quite some time, but I don’t recall him demanding that Indians get to go to England. I don’t think he marched or protested for the right to live in sunny England. I recall him demanding the English leave India. Ditto for Jinnah in Pakistan.

    What gives? I thought they wanted independence, but it turns out they wanted to move to England. If that was all they wanted, maybe the English should still be in control of those lands and least profit off of whatever resources they have. Instead they lost their most prosperous colonies and inherited the deadbeats.

    PS. The Irish fought tooth and nail for centuries to take back their island from a people that I cannot even tell apart from them. They even persisted fighting over 6 NE counties that had a sizeable protestant population that otherwise looked exactly like them. Now today they give the EU the keys to the kingdom and gleefully welcome the third world to replace them.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    That's because they're IRISH.
    , @Anonymous

    PS. The Irish fought tooth and nail for centuries to take back their island from a people that I cannot even tell apart from them. They even persisted fighting over 6 NE counties that had a sizeable protestant population that otherwise looked exactly like them. Now today they give the EU the keys to the kingdom and gleefully welcome the third world to replace them.
     
    The IRA were a bunch of dumbshits in a lot of ways but they made the world's third most powerful nuclear power buy them off instead of chucking them all in Wormwood Scrubs. Covington's comments on the IRA are most instructive.

    I'm grateful to HAC for, among other things, turning me on to the music of the late, great Stan Rogers:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwld86XndSY
    , @J.Ross
    It's them admitting that we are better administrators. Savor it, it's the closest thing to a compliment we get from them.
    , @Anon1
    Factory owners recruited Subcon laborers back in the 50s and 60s. That's how all this got started.
  32. @PiltdownMan
    I wonder if, in earlier decades, increased child mortality from cousin marriage simply went unnoticed in third-world countries like Pakistan, where child mortality was already sky-high, thanks to the big four infectious diseases - malaria, typhoid, cholera, and smallpox. By various accounts, life expectancy at birth in Pakistan and India in 1947 was as low as 32 years.

    By contrast, in 21st century Britain, with low child mortality, and constant contact and screening by doctors in the public health system, Pakistani cousin couples are probably now getting keenly aware of the dangers of their type of arranged marriage-the deaths likely stand out much more.

    Right. The Saudi government first noticed the impact of cousin marriage maybe a couple of decades ago. Further in the past, infectious diseases were so bad that genetic infirmities were just statistical noise.

    • Replies: @donut
    In the case of Pakistan I wonder if infanticide might be common enough to contribute to the high child mortality rates . Either outright through infanticide or benign neglect . It's a legitimate survival strategy and was accepted as such for far longer than it's been taboo .
  33. Steve,

    Black digruntled worker shot five cops and killed five others in Illinois today. Another Omar-Whateverhisnamewas. Name was Gary Martin. Sounds like another Sailer-predicted-it-kind-of-event.

  34. @Svigor

    Just imagine if we were allowed to discuss these problems before being dropped into them, or if our official public discussers were not liars.
     
    Or, you know, not ambulatory/above ground.

    “or if our official public discussers were not liars.”

    Guy’s got an interesting, idiosyncratic way of spelling “Jews.”

    btw, “children of South Asian descent” have absolutely no business being in the North of England.

    None.

  35. @istevefan
    Did any of the former colonial subjects ever list as one of their demands the right to move to England? I thought they all wanted the colonial power to leave and grant their independence. I haven't seen the Gandhi film in quite some time, but I don't recall him demanding that Indians get to go to England. I don't think he marched or protested for the right to live in sunny England. I recall him demanding the English leave India. Ditto for Jinnah in Pakistan.

    What gives? I thought they wanted independence, but it turns out they wanted to move to England. If that was all they wanted, maybe the English should still be in control of those lands and least profit off of whatever resources they have. Instead they lost their most prosperous colonies and inherited the deadbeats.

    PS. The Irish fought tooth and nail for centuries to take back their island from a people that I cannot even tell apart from them. They even persisted fighting over 6 NE counties that had a sizeable protestant population that otherwise looked exactly like them. Now today they give the EU the keys to the kingdom and gleefully welcome the third world to replace them.

    That’s because they’re IRISH.

  36. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan
    Did any of the former colonial subjects ever list as one of their demands the right to move to England? I thought they all wanted the colonial power to leave and grant their independence. I haven't seen the Gandhi film in quite some time, but I don't recall him demanding that Indians get to go to England. I don't think he marched or protested for the right to live in sunny England. I recall him demanding the English leave India. Ditto for Jinnah in Pakistan.

    What gives? I thought they wanted independence, but it turns out they wanted to move to England. If that was all they wanted, maybe the English should still be in control of those lands and least profit off of whatever resources they have. Instead they lost their most prosperous colonies and inherited the deadbeats.

    PS. The Irish fought tooth and nail for centuries to take back their island from a people that I cannot even tell apart from them. They even persisted fighting over 6 NE counties that had a sizeable protestant population that otherwise looked exactly like them. Now today they give the EU the keys to the kingdom and gleefully welcome the third world to replace them.

    PS. The Irish fought tooth and nail for centuries to take back their island from a people that I cannot even tell apart from them. They even persisted fighting over 6 NE counties that had a sizeable protestant population that otherwise looked exactly like them. Now today they give the EU the keys to the kingdom and gleefully welcome the third world to replace them.

    The IRA were a bunch of dumbshits in a lot of ways but they made the world’s third most powerful nuclear power buy them off instead of chucking them all in Wormwood Scrubs. Covington’s comments on the IRA are most instructive.

    I’m grateful to HAC for, among other things, turning me on to the music of the late, great Stan Rogers:

    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    Who is Covington and what did he say about the IRA?

    Stan Rogers' music is a wonderful thing to have in one's life.

  37. @istevefan
    Did any of the former colonial subjects ever list as one of their demands the right to move to England? I thought they all wanted the colonial power to leave and grant their independence. I haven't seen the Gandhi film in quite some time, but I don't recall him demanding that Indians get to go to England. I don't think he marched or protested for the right to live in sunny England. I recall him demanding the English leave India. Ditto for Jinnah in Pakistan.

    What gives? I thought they wanted independence, but it turns out they wanted to move to England. If that was all they wanted, maybe the English should still be in control of those lands and least profit off of whatever resources they have. Instead they lost their most prosperous colonies and inherited the deadbeats.

    PS. The Irish fought tooth and nail for centuries to take back their island from a people that I cannot even tell apart from them. They even persisted fighting over 6 NE counties that had a sizeable protestant population that otherwise looked exactly like them. Now today they give the EU the keys to the kingdom and gleefully welcome the third world to replace them.

    It’s them admitting that we are better administrators. Savor it, it’s the closest thing to a compliment we get from them.

  38. @24AheadDotCom
    Since Brexit, Tommy Robinson, etc. etc. don't seem to have worked to solve this issue, what's the action plan? Let's all put our heads together and come up with smart, rational, big tent ways to help solve the problem.

    Take over the Conservative party the same way the SJW/old Trot alliance took over Labour.

  39. @Bill P
    I have an Iraqi friend who is probably married to his cousin. I don't want to be rude and ask him, so I'm not certain, but he did say that his wife plans to marry their kids off to cousins. He and his wife are fully aware of the risks (his wife is a physician), but they think the risks are justified given what they see as the deplorable state of the family in the US.

    Sadly, they have a point.

    Is it worse when you have a higher risk of fetal anomalies, or when so many women have abortions and children out of wedlock?

    Ideally you'd have neither, but maybe that's harder than we think.

    Interesting. As bad as cousin marriages are, in certain subcultures in the U.S. single motherhood and polyamory are so common that many children grow up not knowing who their fathers are, and most fathers have no idea how many kids they’ve left behind, or where. Even if they cared.

    This means that many ghetto kids have no idea that they may have half-siblings next door, or on the next street, and certainly in school. So even if the people in question were inclined to be careful, they may well not be able.

  40. @istevefan
    Did any of the former colonial subjects ever list as one of their demands the right to move to England? I thought they all wanted the colonial power to leave and grant their independence. I haven't seen the Gandhi film in quite some time, but I don't recall him demanding that Indians get to go to England. I don't think he marched or protested for the right to live in sunny England. I recall him demanding the English leave India. Ditto for Jinnah in Pakistan.

    What gives? I thought they wanted independence, but it turns out they wanted to move to England. If that was all they wanted, maybe the English should still be in control of those lands and least profit off of whatever resources they have. Instead they lost their most prosperous colonies and inherited the deadbeats.

    PS. The Irish fought tooth and nail for centuries to take back their island from a people that I cannot even tell apart from them. They even persisted fighting over 6 NE counties that had a sizeable protestant population that otherwise looked exactly like them. Now today they give the EU the keys to the kingdom and gleefully welcome the third world to replace them.

    Factory owners recruited Subcon laborers back in the 50s and 60s. That’s how all this got started.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The irony is that 'free trade' wiped out The British textile industry a decade or two later.

    Just one little example of the insanity of conflating 'free trade' and 'free immigration'.
  41. Jokes about inbreeding in Norfolk are common in England, despite it being, well, a joke and not a reality.

    Oddly enough not many jokes about Pakistani, sorry “South Asian heritage” inbreeding in Bradford. I wonder why.

    As for the doctor who was willing to take the risk because of “the state of the family” in the US, that’s some superb logical thinking there. Proves the point that if you need to believe something really, really stupid, it helps to be middle-class and highly educated.

    • Replies: @The Plutonium Kid
    As a quote often misattributed to Orwell goes, "It was something so stupid only an intellectual could believe it."
  42. Anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:

    Someone should do a full cost/benefit analysis regarding the nett tax contributions of Bradford’s enormous Pakistani population and the vast sums of taxpayer money being spent by Britain’s socialized medical system in supporting these genetic invalids.

    Even if such an analysis is ever done, you can bet your boots that those shitheads at The Economist magazine will lie and lie and lie about the ‘enrichment’ of massive, uncontrolled third world immigration.

    • Replies: @Anon1
    Pakis are notorious for tax evasion and welfare scams. They report meager income and claim benefits, but somehow own multiple takeaways and drive BMWs.

    A recent issue of the economist celebrated the growth of the Muslim population in Germany and the increase in same-sex marriages.
  43. @Anon1
    These people are literally inbred religious fundamentalists. They've been imported en masse into England.

    …….and they are also rock solid, reliable Labour Party voters.

    In this case the political calculus dominates the economic calculus.

    • Replies: @anon1
    Which is why Labour are such traitors to the British people.
  44. @trelane
    Those of south Asian heritage comprise 37% of Bradford’s under-18 population.


    Note to self: don't move to Bradford.

    The hometown of the composer Delius and Peter Sutcliffe, the ‘Yorkshire Ripper’, amongst many others.

  45. The very first legislative Act of New Labour on attaining a parliamentary majority in 1997, after 18 years of powerlessness was a measure to ease and facilitate the importation of spouses by Pakistanis.

    That Act really set the tone for the remainder of the (mal)administration.

  46. The main characteristic of Pakistanis in the UK is their complete lack of charm. Charmlessness has evolved because there is no need for it – an arranged marriage with your cousin doesn’t hone the ability.

    Unfortunately, it also means the young men can’t charm ladies into bed, and have to resort to raping kids.

  47. @Bill P
    I have an Iraqi friend who is probably married to his cousin. I don't want to be rude and ask him, so I'm not certain, but he did say that his wife plans to marry their kids off to cousins. He and his wife are fully aware of the risks (his wife is a physician), but they think the risks are justified given what they see as the deplorable state of the family in the US.

    Sadly, they have a point.

    Is it worse when you have a higher risk of fetal anomalies, or when so many women have abortions and children out of wedlock?

    Ideally you'd have neither, but maybe that's harder than we think.

    there is nothing wrong with abortions.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    https://heartiste.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/whitewomenaredumb.jpeg?w=500&h=588
  48. @songbird
    You can inherit pretty big chunks of DNA from ancestors prior to your grandparents, so marrying people descended from your grandparents seems really crazy.

    Might be okay for goats. Problem is Muhammad knew nothing about genetic load or inherited diseases and evidently fancied his cousin. But, who knows, maybe that was common practice in Arabia, before him.

    Cousin marriage historically has been the default marriage option. The Church’s misinterpretation of a certain Old Testament verse has a lot more to do with the creation of the modern West than many like to admit.

  49. @Anonymous
    Someone should do a full cost/benefit analysis regarding the nett tax contributions of Bradford's enormous Pakistani population and the vast sums of taxpayer money being spent by Britain's socialized medical system in supporting these genetic invalids.

    Even if such an analysis is ever done, you can bet your boots that those shitheads at The Economist magazine will lie and lie and lie about the 'enrichment' of massive, uncontrolled third world immigration.

    Pakis are notorious for tax evasion and welfare scams. They report meager income and claim benefits, but somehow own multiple takeaways and drive BMWs.

    A recent issue of the economist celebrated the growth of the Muslim population in Germany and the increase in same-sex marriages.

  50. @Rosamond Vincy
    Leeds isn't much better, especially Beeston.

    Leeds is much better. It’s almost like you’re in a different country. A country in which Englishmen still exist.

    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    How's Sheffield and Hull?
    , @Ali Choudhury
    Huh? Have you been to the centre of Leeds recently? It is like another London. Outlying suburbs and smaller towns in Airedake like Bingley, Ilkley and Otley is where the white share of the population is highest.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    As Jonathan Mason noted, Headingley is still nice, but Beeston is not. The tube bombers were all from Beeston. Leeds City Centre, don't stray too far from Brigate St., especially when the sun is going down.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Leeds is much better. It’s almost like you’re in a different country.
     
    Floundering in the second or third division might be a blessing in disguise. You won't find Leeds kit in other parts of the world, let alone Sheffield Utd's.

    However, Sheffield Wednesday's gear might appeal to Steve and his classmates:


    http://pogmogoal.com/wp-content/uploads/swfc31.jpg

    http://pogmogoal.com/wp-content/uploads/swfc.jpg

  51. @Bill P
    I have an Iraqi friend who is probably married to his cousin. I don't want to be rude and ask him, so I'm not certain, but he did say that his wife plans to marry their kids off to cousins. He and his wife are fully aware of the risks (his wife is a physician), but they think the risks are justified given what they see as the deplorable state of the family in the US.

    Sadly, they have a point.

    Is it worse when you have a higher risk of fetal anomalies, or when so many women have abortions and children out of wedlock?

    Ideally you'd have neither, but maybe that's harder than we think.

    “Sadly, they have a point.”

    When I’ve discussed contemporary Western mores with Muslims, I’ve found it hard to disagree with them. We both deplore rampant promiscuity, homomania, inking & piercing, etc. I stop short at seeking a remedy in cousin marriage for my offspring, naturally, but …

    Consider Steve’s definition of race as “a partly-inbred extended family.” I do hope my offspring will marry and procreate with Western-descended people, so I guess the difference between me and your Iraqi friend is just a matter of degree: they’re aiming for second or third cousin in-laws, while I’m hoping for eleventh- or twelfth-cousin, though I’d be content with any suitable match. Also, I’m not going to arrange my kids’ marriages, so there’s that. But still, it’s only a difference of degree, not kind. And in the big picture, our tastes and objectives are not so far apart, compared to how far I am from proggy SJWs.

    • Replies: @CJ
    Yes, many of the criticisms Muslims make of our society are well-founded. But they have no answers, no solutions. None.
  52. @Anon1
    Factory owners recruited Subcon laborers back in the 50s and 60s. That's how all this got started.

    The irony is that ‘free trade’ wiped out The British textile industry a decade or two later.

    Just one little example of the insanity of conflating ‘free trade’ and ‘free immigration’.

  53. @PiltdownMan
    I wonder if, in earlier decades, increased child mortality from cousin marriage simply went unnoticed in third-world countries like Pakistan, where child mortality was already sky-high, thanks to the big four infectious diseases - malaria, typhoid, cholera, and smallpox. By various accounts, life expectancy at birth in Pakistan and India in 1947 was as low as 32 years.

    By contrast, in 21st century Britain, with low child mortality, and constant contact and screening by doctors in the public health system, Pakistani cousin couples are probably now getting keenly aware of the dangers of their type of arranged marriage-the deaths likely stand out much more.

    I wonder if infanticide occurs in enough numbers to be significant . If you’re living hand to mouth in a mud hut w/o electricity and plumbing how thin can you spread yourself ? Humanity practiced it for far longer than it has been taboo .

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  54. @gate666
    there is nothing wrong with abortions.

    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    Abortions play a very small role in white fertility rates, and contrary to what is suggested in this cartoon, are highest among the relatively fertile working class. The main reason for falling white fertility is middle income couples choosing to have smaller families. Fifty years ago, families of five or more children were quite common, these days hardly anyone has more than three kids.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Its actually the other way around in the USA lol. Blacks have a much higher abortion rate than whites. White women just use birth control.
  55. “Nazia Parveen, North of England correspondent”

    This sounds more like ownership licence than job title description.

  56. @PiltdownMan

    ...does that mean we’re going to see a Pakistani Deliverance remake...

    Moslems are not known to do a lot of banjo pickin’, though...
     

    Scene from London's Underground subway system.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyEEChrg0s0

    Pedantic trainspotter note: That’s the Northern Line and appears to be 1962 stock (withdrawn about 20 years ago) thus the video is 20 years old or more.

    Edit: uploader says @1996.

    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    I love trainspotting. Please continue with this in other threads, wherever trains are mentioned!
  57. @Steve Sailer
    Right. The Saudi government first noticed the impact of cousin marriage maybe a couple of decades ago. Further in the past, infectious diseases were so bad that genetic infirmities were just statistical noise.

    In the case of Pakistan I wonder if infanticide might be common enough to contribute to the high child mortality rates . Either outright through infanticide or benign neglect . It’s a legitimate survival strategy and was accepted as such for far longer than it’s been taboo .

  58. Is there any evidence that inbreeding lends itself to feelings of clannishness? Inbred communities often seem to be the most clannish in behaviour, but I suppose the causation could run either way.

    Someone who may well be suffering from the effects of inbreeding is Shamima Begum, the ISIS bride who wants to return to the UK. She has a very odd face with one eye noticeably lower than the other, and she is clearly not very bright. It’s funny that in the same week that Hungary is being lambasted in the British media for offering tax breaks to increase their birth rate, we in Britain are offered an alternative method of population increase: importing pregnant women who were happy to witness the severed heads of dead kaffirs in baskets strewn around her slave-infested theocracy.

  59. @PiltdownMan

    ...does that mean we’re going to see a Pakistani Deliverance remake...

    Moslems are not known to do a lot of banjo pickin’, though...
     

    Scene from London's Underground subway system.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyEEChrg0s0

    It has been a long time since Tube trains had wooden window frames

  60. Not surprising.

    I grew up about 30 miles away from the city of Bradford (population 500,000) in West Yorkshire. Bradford was one of the very first epicenters of Pakistani immigration, with workers imported to working in the (as it turned out dying) woolen mills that processed the fleeces from the local hill sheep and turned them into sweaters (or woollies, as they were known.)

    At the time the city was in decline, many of the prominent buildings were black with soot. It always seemed to be raining in Bradford, and on one cold rainy night in 1964 my family went there and saw the movie The Sound of Music at the Bradford Alhambra Theater (the name of which now seems prescient.)

    In 1962, when I was 11, there was an outbreak of smallpox in Bradford in which a total of 12 people were infected, and six died. The health authorities reacted quickly with a program of mass vaccinations, movement restrictions for personnel working in the hospitals that contained infected patients, and contact tracing that was successful in containing the outbreak. One up for the National Health Service!

    I remember being taken myself for my vaccination and being told by my mother that Pakistanis had brought this extinct disease to England.

    So this population has been present in Bradford since the 1950s, with several generations inbreeding within a fairly confined area, and it is not surprising that inherited health problems are endemic.

  61. @Rosamond Vincy
    Leeds isn't much better, especially Beeston.

    Very true. For those whose memories of Leeds are of the University, the teaching hospitals, test matches at Headingley, Moortown, Temple Newsham, Roundhay Park, Hyde Park, city center shopping malls, the train station, and easy access to Otley and the Dales, it comes as a surprise to note that statistically vast slabs of the population live in public housing estates in places like Beeston, Harehills, Gipton, Chapeltown, Holbeck, Halton, Belle Isle, and Middleton, which are not so nice.

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
    I don't know when you were last in Headingley. I was a student there in the 90's, but I still go back now and then to see friends. The area around Hyde Park/Burley is basically a slum now, with a couple of huge, ugly mosques. Some of the 7/7 London bombing terrorists were from the Hyde Park area too, I'm afraid.
  62. My impression of the North of England is that the working classes there were generally leftist in an economic sense, but culturally conservative. And this is why they were targeted; first by “Thatcherism” and a privatization that certainly seems to have been unduly quick. Then, second, now by mass migration.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Yep. Socialists who hated Communists.
  63. @Anon1
    Leeds is much better. It's almost like you're in a different country. A country in which Englishmen still exist.

    How’s Sheffield and Hull?

  64. @Lurker
    Pedantic trainspotter note: That's the Northern Line and appears to be 1962 stock (withdrawn about 20 years ago) thus the video is 20 years old or more.

    Edit: uploader says @1996.

    I love trainspotting. Please continue with this in other threads, wherever trains are mentioned!

    • Replies: @Lurker
    My pleasure sir!
  65. If they have to be here (in the West), I’d rather they marry each other.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    Why?  Because it makes it easier to throw them out eventually?  That is a point in favor.
  66. @Jonathan Mason
    Very true. For those whose memories of Leeds are of the University, the teaching hospitals, test matches at Headingley, Moortown, Temple Newsham, Roundhay Park, Hyde Park, city center shopping malls, the train station, and easy access to Otley and the Dales, it comes as a surprise to note that statistically vast slabs of the population live in public housing estates in places like Beeston, Harehills, Gipton, Chapeltown, Holbeck, Halton, Belle Isle, and Middleton, which are not so nice.

    I don’t know when you were last in Headingley. I was a student there in the 90’s, but I still go back now and then to see friends. The area around Hyde Park/Burley is basically a slum now, with a couple of huge, ugly mosques. Some of the 7/7 London bombing terrorists were from the Hyde Park area too, I’m afraid.

  67. @RobUK
    Jokes about inbreeding in Norfolk are common in England, despite it being, well, a joke and not a reality.

    Oddly enough not many jokes about Pakistani, sorry "South Asian heritage" inbreeding in Bradford. I wonder why.

    As for the doctor who was willing to take the risk because of "the state of the family" in the US, that's some superb logical thinking there. Proves the point that if you need to believe something really, really stupid, it helps to be middle-class and highly educated.

    As a quote often misattributed to Orwell goes, “It was something so stupid only an intellectual could believe it.”

  68. @Anonymous
    Making cousin marriage odious and impracticable might make Paks less inclined to emigrate to the territory in question. Pressure to be tubally ligated on women giving birth to inbred defectives would be good too.

    I was thinking that it would be worthwhile to test new spouses and prohibit entry to couples related more closely than second cousins, but that works too.

    But since they come for the gibs, it would probably be most effective to cut inbred couples and their offspring off ALL assistance including the NHS.  Since most are unemployable in a first-world economy, they’d have to go home.

  69. @Anon1
    Leeds is much better. It's almost like you're in a different country. A country in which Englishmen still exist.

    Huh? Have you been to the centre of Leeds recently? It is like another London. Outlying suburbs and smaller towns in Airedake like Bingley, Ilkley and Otley is where the white share of the population is highest.

  70. @PiltdownMan

    ...does that mean we’re going to see a Pakistani Deliverance remake...

    Moslems are not known to do a lot of banjo pickin’, though...
     

    Scene from London's Underground subway system.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyEEChrg0s0

    Sounds like he’s just doing the ululating that the British just won’t do. I wonder if George Harrison (R.I.P.) picked up on any of this – he liked some of those Asian sounds.

    This is such a great song, one of my favorites by The Beatles:

    Jai guru deva … ommm*

    Nothing’s gonna change my world
    Nothing’s gonna change my world
    Nothing’s gonna change my world
    Nothing’s gonna change my world

    Sure, nothing’s gonna change your world… until you get off that acid trip and pay attention.

    .

    * I’d always though it was “Kangaroo days. ohhhh.”, but then I have chronic Lyricosis.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    The classic one for the Beatles is "The girl with colitis goes by."
    , @Peripatetic Commenter

    I wonder if George Harrison (R.I.P.) picked up on any of this – he liked some of those Asian sounds.
     
    Yeah, but maybe not as much as he liked the sound of the young girls ...

    https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/02/blind-item-4_5.html
    , @Anonymous
    Strangely enough, The Beatles' 'Get Back' was inspired both in title and lyrics by Enoch Powell's 1968 speeches, although later modified for public consumption.
  71. @Bill P
    I have an Iraqi friend who is probably married to his cousin. I don't want to be rude and ask him, so I'm not certain, but he did say that his wife plans to marry their kids off to cousins. He and his wife are fully aware of the risks (his wife is a physician), but they think the risks are justified given what they see as the deplorable state of the family in the US.

    Sadly, they have a point.

    Is it worse when you have a higher risk of fetal anomalies, or when so many women have abortions and children out of wedlock?

    Ideally you'd have neither, but maybe that's harder than we think.

    Sadly, they have a point.

    On the top of their heads.

  72. @Achmed E. Newman

    These people are literally inbred religious fundamentalists.
     
    OK, then, does that mean we're going to see a Pakistani Deliverance -remake, involving a group of 3 close cousins riding the whitewater down the River Thames, while encountering men that request one of them squeal like a pig?

    Moslems are not known to do a lot of banjo pickin', though, and I guess the scene would have to be changed to "squeal like a goat" for reasons of blaspheme.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsC4kf6x_Q0

    OK, then, does that mean we’re going to see a Pakistani Deliverance -remake, involving a group of 3 close cousins riding the whitewater down the River Thames, while encountering men that request one of them squeal like a pig?

    It would be more of a documentary, what with Rotherham and all that. Homo gang rape is not uncommon either; at least I’ve heard of more cases than I’d ever wanted since 2015.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    It would be more of a documentary, ...
     
    LOL
  73. @Anon1
    Leeds is much better. It's almost like you're in a different country. A country in which Englishmen still exist.

    As Jonathan Mason noted, Headingley is still nice, but Beeston is not. The tube bombers were all from Beeston. Leeds City Centre, don’t stray too far from Brigate St., especially when the sun is going down.

  74. I think everyone is forgetting the benefits of Pakistani immigration. I know I am.

  75. @Almost Missouri
    https://heartiste.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/whitewomenaredumb.jpeg?w=500&h=588

    Abortions play a very small role in white fertility rates, and contrary to what is suggested in this cartoon, are highest among the relatively fertile working class. The main reason for falling white fertility is middle income couples choosing to have smaller families. Fifty years ago, families of five or more children were quite common, these days hardly anyone has more than three kids.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Moloch commends you.
  76. Apparently Allah wills it, so who gives a shit?

  77. [Caution: More so than any others of my posts, this one is not worth slogging through by *anybody* – seriously – had to “get it out of my system”]

    Pakistani & Child Take Their Toll On Parents In The Northern Hemisphere?

    I gave away my copy of Hanif Kureishi’s “The Buddha of Suburbia,” but Googling confirms that it involved Muslims from India and an arranged marriage. I don’t recall anything about wedlocked hook-ups among first cousins. Kureishi’s book was inspirational for a person who was the subject of a previous iSteve thread, Zadie Smith. While Smith was born to a Jamaican mother (and English father) her book, “White Teeth” (which I haven’t read) features Muslims from Pakistan – and also an arranged marriage. A character in White Teeth has a “crippled right hand” and one in The Buddha of Suburbia has only “one working arm.” I think that was meant to be the result of a birth defect, but cannot rule out the possibility of a birth injury.

    Perhaps not so oddly, Kureish has twin boys and twins figure hugely in White Teeth.

    Interestingly, Zadie Smith (from Wiki) has been a “…tenured professor in the Creative Writing faculty of New York University since September 2010.[3]” and again from Wiki, “In 2013 Kureishi was appointed as a professor in the creative writing department at Kingston University in London, where he was a Writer in Residence. However, at The Independent Bath Literature Festival, 2 March 2014, he stated that creative writing courses were a ‘waste of time’ and commented that 99.9 per cent of his students were talentless.[18] ” Kureishi has been castigated by his ex-wife and his relatives because of thinly disguised use of them in his novels. He once gave advice to “write as though your parents are dead.”

    Only a little bit of digging was required to find that Kureishi helped one of his students (presumably one with *some* talent) get a couple of short stories published in The Sunday [London?] Times.
    In “Mom” the Mom is described as having an arm “only half the length it should have been.” A reader might wonder if the author’s disarming portrait of her mother was based on one of the characters in The Buddha of Suburbia and/or if Kureishi approved of that. His student’s second story involves a chance encounter with her father on an airplane flight. Kureishi’s Bildungsroman above is apparently semi-autobiographical, but the student’s two (very) short stories seem too bizarre for that characterization and given probable progression from some mean, it’s likely that the apple of her father’s eye fell far from some gibbering tree.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mom-two-short-stories-by-sara-lenzen-d79lnc60vkj

    I haven’t read Kureishi’s “My Beautiful Laundrette,” but will assume that it has nothing to do with blocking a high-speed rail line and did not inspire this (ode to authenticity?):
    (should still have the vinyl around here)

    • Replies: @reactionry
    Concert For er, East Pakistan?

    - multiple oopsies - should have mentioned that I've never read "White Teeth" - and now note that I typed in "Pakistan" instead of "Bangladesh."
    -will probably remember "Zadie" given the Yiddish "Bubbe and Zaydie" for "grandmother and grandfather" and will likely recall Zadie/White Teeth on account of a middle school German dimly remembered phrase for "brush your teeth" -
    "Putze deine Zähne"
  78. @Anonymous

    PS. The Irish fought tooth and nail for centuries to take back their island from a people that I cannot even tell apart from them. They even persisted fighting over 6 NE counties that had a sizeable protestant population that otherwise looked exactly like them. Now today they give the EU the keys to the kingdom and gleefully welcome the third world to replace them.
     
    The IRA were a bunch of dumbshits in a lot of ways but they made the world's third most powerful nuclear power buy them off instead of chucking them all in Wormwood Scrubs. Covington's comments on the IRA are most instructive.

    I'm grateful to HAC for, among other things, turning me on to the music of the late, great Stan Rogers:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwld86XndSY

    Who is Covington and what did he say about the IRA?

    Stan Rogers’ music is a wonderful thing to have in one’s life.

  79. @Pericles

    OK, then, does that mean we’re going to see a Pakistani Deliverance -remake, involving a group of 3 close cousins riding the whitewater down the River Thames, while encountering men that request one of them squeal like a pig?

     

    It would be more of a documentary, what with Rotherham and all that. Homo gang rape is not uncommon either; at least I've heard of more cases than I'd ever wanted since 2015.

    It would be more of a documentary, …

    LOL

  80. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    My impression of the North of England is that the working classes there were generally leftist in an economic sense, but culturally conservative. And this is why they were targeted; first by "Thatcherism" and a privatization that certainly seems to have been unduly quick. Then, second, now by mass migration.

    Yep. Socialists who hated Communists.

  81. @Achmed E. Newman
    Sounds like he's just doing the ululating that the British just won't do. I wonder if George Harrison (R.I.P.) picked up on any of this - he liked some of those Asian sounds.

    This is such a great song, one of my favorites by The Beatles:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90M60PzmxEE

    Jai guru deva ... ommm*

    Nothing's gonna change my world
    Nothing's gonna change my world
    Nothing's gonna change my world
    Nothing's gonna change my world


    Sure, nothing's gonna change your world... until you get off that acid trip and pay attention.

    .

    * I'd always though it was "Kangaroo days. ohhhh.", but then I have chronic Lyricosis.

    The classic one for the Beatles is “The girl with colitis goes by.”

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Haha, Rosamond, I don't know how I never thought of that one! It's pretty damn funny. The classic case, of course, is with the folks that are still under the impression that Jimi Hendrix was gay, since he did sing "Excuse me, while I kiss this guy." ♪♫♬ di, di dah dum.... dah, dah dah dum.... ♪♫♬
    , @Reg Cæsar

    The classic one for the Beatles is “The girl with colitis goes by.”
     
    Don't forget Fleetwood Mac's "When the rainbow shaves you clean, you'll know."
  82. @Achmed E. Newman
    Sounds like he's just doing the ululating that the British just won't do. I wonder if George Harrison (R.I.P.) picked up on any of this - he liked some of those Asian sounds.

    This is such a great song, one of my favorites by The Beatles:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90M60PzmxEE

    Jai guru deva ... ommm*

    Nothing's gonna change my world
    Nothing's gonna change my world
    Nothing's gonna change my world
    Nothing's gonna change my world


    Sure, nothing's gonna change your world... until you get off that acid trip and pay attention.

    .

    * I'd always though it was "Kangaroo days. ohhhh.", but then I have chronic Lyricosis.

    I wonder if George Harrison (R.I.P.) picked up on any of this – he liked some of those Asian sounds.

    Yeah, but maybe not as much as he liked the sound of the young girls …

    https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/02/blind-item-4_5.html

  83. @Rosamond Vincy
    The classic one for the Beatles is "The girl with colitis goes by."

    Haha, Rosamond, I don’t know how I never thought of that one! It’s pretty damn funny. The classic case, of course, is with the folks that are still under the impression that Jimi Hendrix was gay, since he did sing “Excuse me, while I kiss this guy.” ♪♫♬ di, di dah dum…. dah, dah dah dum…. ♪♫♬

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    Mis-hearings like that are sometimes called "mondegreens".
  84. @reactionry
    [Caution: More so than any others of my posts, this one is not worth slogging through by *anybody* - seriously - had to "get it out of my system"]

    Pakistani & Child Take Their Toll On Parents In The Northern Hemisphere?

    I gave away my copy of Hanif Kureishi's "The Buddha of Suburbia," but Googling confirms that it involved Muslims from India and an arranged marriage. I don't recall anything about wedlocked hook-ups among first cousins. Kureishi's book was inspirational for a person who was the subject of a previous iSteve thread, Zadie Smith. While Smith was born to a Jamaican mother (and English father) her book, "White Teeth" (which I haven't read) features Muslims from Pakistan - and also an arranged marriage. A character in White Teeth has a "crippled right hand" and one in The Buddha of Suburbia has only "one working arm." I think that was meant to be the result of a birth defect, but cannot rule out the possibility of a birth injury.

    Perhaps not so oddly, Kureish has twin boys and twins figure hugely in White Teeth.

    Interestingly, Zadie Smith (from Wiki) has been a "...tenured professor in the Creative Writing faculty of New York University since September 2010.[3]" and again from Wiki, "In 2013 Kureishi was appointed as a professor in the creative writing department at Kingston University in London, where he was a Writer in Residence. However, at The Independent Bath Literature Festival, 2 March 2014, he stated that creative writing courses were a 'waste of time' and commented that 99.9 per cent of his students were talentless.[18] " Kureishi has been castigated by his ex-wife and his relatives because of thinly disguised use of them in his novels. He once gave advice to "write as though your parents are dead."

    Only a little bit of digging was required to find that Kureishi helped one of his students (presumably one with *some* talent) get a couple of short stories published in The Sunday [London?] Times.
    In "Mom" the Mom is described as having an arm "only half the length it should have been." A reader might wonder if the author's disarming portrait of her mother was based on one of the characters in The Buddha of Suburbia and/or if Kureishi approved of that. His student's second story involves a chance encounter with her father on an airplane flight. Kureishi's Bildungsroman above is apparently semi-autobiographical, but the student's two (very) short stories seem too bizarre for that characterization and given probable progression from some mean, it's likely that the apple of her father's eye fell far from some gibbering tree.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mom-two-short-stories-by-sara-lenzen-d79lnc60vkj

    I haven't read Kureishi's "My Beautiful Laundrette," but will assume that it has nothing to do with blocking a high-speed rail line and did not inspire this (ode to authenticity?):
    (should still have the vinyl around here)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otrt0iH9ubw

    Concert For er, East Pakistan?

    – multiple oopsies – should have mentioned that I’ve never read “White Teeth” – and now note that I typed in “Pakistan” instead of “Bangladesh.”
    -will probably remember “Zadie” given the Yiddish “Bubbe and Zaydie” for “grandmother and grandfather” and will likely recall Zadie/White Teeth on account of a middle school German dimly remembered phrase for “brush your teeth” –
    “Putze deine Zähne”

  85. @MikeatMikedotMike
    If they have to be here (in the West), I'd rather they marry each other.

    Why?  Because it makes it easier to throw them out eventually?  That is a point in favor.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    I'm not a fan of miscegenation.

    The downside is or course, more paki retards on the dole.
  86. @Hippopotamusdrome
    OT: Thousands of pills filled with powdered human baby flesh discovered by customs officials in South Korea


    Thousands of pills filled with powdered human baby flesh discovered by customs officials in South Korea

    More than 17,000 pills smuggled into country have been intercepted since last August

    Pills viewed as a 'miracle cure' for all ailments - but unsurprisingly they are harmful

    The grim trade is being run from China where corrupt medical staff are said to be tipping off medical companies when babies are aborted or delivered still-born.

    The tiny corpses are then bought, stored in household refrigerators in homes of those involved in the trade before they are removed and taken to clinics where they are placed in medical drying microwaves.

    Once the skin is tinder dry, it is pummelled into powder and then processed into capsules along with herbs to disguise the true ingredients from health investigators and customs officers.

    The San Francisco Times reported that tests carried out on the pills confirmed they were made up of 99.7 per cent human remains.

     

    The San Francisco Times reported that tests carried out on the pills confirmed they were made up of 99.7 per cent human remains.

    That story is seven years old. The kids in those pills would be approaching the age where they could be hired to collect San Francisco’s accumulating “night soil”.

  87. @Rosamond Vincy
    The classic one for the Beatles is "The girl with colitis goes by."

    The classic one for the Beatles is “The girl with colitis goes by.”

    Don’t forget Fleetwood Mac’s “When the rainbow shaves you clean, you’ll know.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Lindsey Buckingham has found that out.
    , @Anonymous
    More on topic, as Justin Hayward sang on Jeff Wayne's 1978 'War of the Worlds' album:

    'The chances of Indians immigrating to Mars are a million to one each way'.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Haha, yes one's mind tries to make something out of gibberish, as best as it can. I don't mean it's all intended to be gibberish, but it's in the phrasing, accents, recording, scratched-up mp3s (!), etc.

    There's some lines for which, once I figure it out, it's so obvious, but then we didn't used to have the internet to look things up on, especially in real-time on our phones now.

    It took me a long time to get 95% of the lyrics of Neal's Fandango, as they sing this pretty fast - I like that dead-stop ending too:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsvqK4A3X48
  88. @Reg Cæsar

    The classic one for the Beatles is “The girl with colitis goes by.”
     
    Don't forget Fleetwood Mac's "When the rainbow shaves you clean, you'll know."

    Lindsey Buckingham has found that out.

  89. @Anonymous
    .......and they are also rock solid, reliable Labour Party voters.

    In this case the political calculus dominates the economic calculus.

    Which is why Labour are such traitors to the British people.

  90. The stupid British would have been better off under the Kaiser. Or Hitler. Some “victory”.

  91. @Reg Cæsar

    The classic one for the Beatles is “The girl with colitis goes by.”
     
    Don't forget Fleetwood Mac's "When the rainbow shaves you clean, you'll know."

    More on topic, as Justin Hayward sang on Jeff Wayne’s 1978 ‘War of the Worlds’ album:

    ‘The chances of Indians immigrating to Mars are a million to one each way’.

  92. @Achmed E. Newman
    Sounds like he's just doing the ululating that the British just won't do. I wonder if George Harrison (R.I.P.) picked up on any of this - he liked some of those Asian sounds.

    This is such a great song, one of my favorites by The Beatles:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90M60PzmxEE

    Jai guru deva ... ommm*

    Nothing's gonna change my world
    Nothing's gonna change my world
    Nothing's gonna change my world
    Nothing's gonna change my world


    Sure, nothing's gonna change your world... until you get off that acid trip and pay attention.

    .

    * I'd always though it was "Kangaroo days. ohhhh.", but then I have chronic Lyricosis.

    Strangely enough, The Beatles’ ‘Get Back’ was inspired both in title and lyrics by Enoch Powell’s 1968 speeches, although later modified for public consumption.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    LOL! That should have been the Trump campaign theme song. Thanks for the idea of a fun blog post, too, 384.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Filler lyrics went something like, "Paki, Paki, Paki, why don't you go back-y?"
    Not quite as memorable as "Scrambled Eggs,"

    https://youtu.be/btC2_t8HZP4

    but it will do.
  93. @unpc downunder
    Abortions play a very small role in white fertility rates, and contrary to what is suggested in this cartoon, are highest among the relatively fertile working class. The main reason for falling white fertility is middle income couples choosing to have smaller families. Fifty years ago, families of five or more children were quite common, these days hardly anyone has more than three kids.

    Moloch commends you.

  94. @Reg Cæsar

    The classic one for the Beatles is “The girl with colitis goes by.”
     
    Don't forget Fleetwood Mac's "When the rainbow shaves you clean, you'll know."

    Haha, yes one’s mind tries to make something out of gibberish, as best as it can. I don’t mean it’s all intended to be gibberish, but it’s in the phrasing, accents, recording, scratched-up mp3s (!), etc.

    There’s some lines for which, once I figure it out, it’s so obvious, but then we didn’t used to have the internet to look things up on, especially in real-time on our phones now.

    It took me a long time to get 95% of the lyrics of Neal’s Fandango, as they sing this pretty fast – I like that dead-stop ending too:

  95. @Anonymous
    Strangely enough, The Beatles' 'Get Back' was inspired both in title and lyrics by Enoch Powell's 1968 speeches, although later modified for public consumption.

    LOL! That should have been the Trump campaign theme song. Thanks for the idea of a fun blog post, too, 384.

  96. @Anonymous
    Strangely enough, The Beatles' 'Get Back' was inspired both in title and lyrics by Enoch Powell's 1968 speeches, although later modified for public consumption.

    Filler lyrics went something like, “Paki, Paki, Paki, why don’t you go back-y?”
    Not quite as memorable as “Scrambled Eggs,”

    but it will do.

  97. @Almost Missouri
    https://heartiste.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/whitewomenaredumb.jpeg?w=500&h=588

    Its actually the other way around in the USA lol. Blacks have a much higher abortion rate than whites. White women just use birth control.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    So you concur with the Maternity picture, then?
  98. @Almost Missouri

    "Sadly, they have a point."
     
    When I've discussed contemporary Western mores with Muslims, I've found it hard to disagree with them. We both deplore rampant promiscuity, homomania, inking & piercing, etc. I stop short at seeking a remedy in cousin marriage for my offspring, naturally, but ...

    Consider Steve's definition of race as "a partly-inbred extended family." I do hope my offspring will marry and procreate with Western-descended people, so I guess the difference between me and your Iraqi friend is just a matter of degree: they're aiming for second or third cousin in-laws, while I'm hoping for eleventh- or twelfth-cousin, though I'd be content with any suitable match. Also, I'm not going to arrange my kids' marriages, so there's that. But still, it's only a difference of degree, not kind. And in the big picture, our tastes and objectives are not so far apart, compared to how far I am from proggy SJWs.

    Yes, many of the criticisms Muslims make of our society are well-founded. But they have no answers, no solutions. None.

  99. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Its actually the other way around in the USA lol. Blacks have a much higher abortion rate than whites. White women just use birth control.

    So you concur with the Maternity picture, then?

  100. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    I love trainspotting. Please continue with this in other threads, wherever trains are mentioned!

    My pleasure sir!

  101. @Anon1
    Leeds is much better. It's almost like you're in a different country. A country in which Englishmen still exist.

    Leeds is much better. It’s almost like you’re in a different country.

    Floundering in the second or third division might be a blessing in disguise. You won’t find Leeds kit in other parts of the world, let alone Sheffield Utd’s.

    However, Sheffield Wednesday‘s gear might appeal to Steve and his classmates:

  102. @Achmed E. Newman
    Haha, Rosamond, I don't know how I never thought of that one! It's pretty damn funny. The classic case, of course, is with the folks that are still under the impression that Jimi Hendrix was gay, since he did sing "Excuse me, while I kiss this guy." ♪♫♬ di, di dah dum.... dah, dah dah dum.... ♪♫♬

    Mis-hearings like that are sometimes called “mondegreens“.

  103. @Cato
    Those who come in, when it is time to find a spouse, go back to Pakistan and marry a cousin, since it is the family objective to bring in as many of the extended family as possible. So the one genetic benefit of migration -- outbreeding -- is forfeited.

    Genetic benefit? Certainly not to us. Better that they create defective children than reproduce with us. I am aware that they’re still indirectly damaging us by bloodsucking us for huge sums of money.

  104. @Mr. Rational
    Why?  Because it makes it easier to throw them out eventually?  That is a point in favor.

    I’m not a fan of miscegenation.

    The downside is or course, more paki retards on the dole.

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