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I want to separate out political opinions from the open thread below on Do It Yourself tips for masks, eyewear, disinfecting, etc. So use this thread to get political opinions off your chest.

 
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  1. Bailouts & no cash for taxpayers will not look good for the GOP, and could doom not only Trump, but the senate majority as well this November.

    Testing seems to have ramped up fast. We’re now doing more than the rest of the world combined.

    Everyone please contact your representatives in support of direct cash payments.

    • Replies: @George
    , @bomag
    , @dfordoom
  2. My opinion? Both sides suck and do work for ordinary Americans.

    • Replies: @interesting
  3. BenKenobi says:

    *ting ting ting*

    Ahem….

    • Replies: @Tusk
  4. wren says:

    Once this virus threat dies down geo-politics will get extremely interesting.

    • Replies: @Anon
  5. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:

    I work for a grocer in Seattle. I started on night crew throwing freight many years ago and now I work at the corporate office. Today I was back in one of the stores to help on a project and saw one of the guys I used to work with. Call him John.
    John has been working the graveyard shift at the same store for over 20 years. He was always a hard, fast worker and still is. The amount of freght they are getting night after night is huge and it is obviously wearing them down. John looked a lot older than the last time I saw him.
    John has raised his kids while working the graveyard shift. His family has never had a normal life with dad home at normal hours.
    He does not make enough to support a family, so his wife works too.
    I’m not buying it that the law of supply and demand sets the right wage, and whatever you make is what you should make. I’m not buying it that merit rises to the top and people on bottom make low wages because they lack merit, or marketable skills, or whatever.
    The people stocking your groceries should make three times what they are paid. They should make $60 an hour instead of $20. I would vote for a Communist or a Facist or whatever it takes to change the facts on the ground so workers make more money.
    Just my thoughts on politics during the Corona lockdown.

  6. Mike says: • Website

    This has become… I don’t know if this is the right phrase… non-falsifiable.

    When over with, if it didn’t turn out to be so bad then the government efforts saved us all from certain death.

    If things go bad, it will be because we the people didn’t take things seriously enough.

    Either way we’ll be asked to carry an even heavier load of government intrusion into our lives.

  7. Enochian says:

    I had more of a question than an opinion – if all this radically changes the political outlook of society, what are those changes likely to be? Will we adopt a more authoritarian stance like the governments of Japan/Taiwan/South Korea, that have done so much better in this crisis? Will autarky become a major thing?

  8. So use this thread to get political opinions off your chest.

    That could be rather painful for the younger ones here!

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @Sean
  9. JimDandy says:

    Re: chloroquine

    What he said:

    Thx.

    • Replies: @MG
  10. Roger says:

    I don’t see how anyone will think Trump is doing a great job, as long as we can’t get diagnostic tests, we can’t get masks, we can’t get drugs that are reported to be beneficial, and we can’t get any straight answers about the cost-benefit of the lockdown.

    If the lockdown stops the disease in the next 10 days, that will be great. But it appears to me that the cure is worse than the disease.

    • Replies: @guest007
  11. Kronos says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    What about off your back?

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  12. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:

    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 16h HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE & AZITHROMYCIN, taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine. The FDA has moved mountains – Thank You! Hopefully they will BOTH (H works better with A, International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents)…..

    Hahahaha Trump goes nuclear on this issue! Two epic press briefings The Quine on Thu & The Quine Part II on Fri and now a massive hammer strike on twitter. He is all in with the Didier Raoult study!!!

    Ballsiest President evah!

    Love the ALL CAPS which is more rejection of twisted norms. (The media uses ALL CAPS all the time you weasels)

    • Agree: botazefa
    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  13. @Kronos

    By the way, when is Stone about to start his prison stretch? From one tricky Dick to another.

  14. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:

    Most educated people will insist that antibiotics do nothing against viruses. But it’s not true. Azithromycin has proven antiviral properties. Namely it discombobulates certain viruses by interfering with their protein usage.

    Beware: This is a really tough point to defend in an argument with most high IQ people. They have just enough education to confidently dismiss you.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Biggest Shoe
    , @Bill
  15. explorer says:

    I believe this corona virus is bullshit. I believe Trump let his guard down and listened to “the experts”. Trump knows it’s bullshit and was covering his ass listening to them. Soros shorted the market and destroyed our economy. We destroyed our country because of 200 deaths. —————————————–My alternative opinion to that is, that if Trump turns everything back around in some miraculous way, he is the Anti-Christ and we are fucked again

    • Troll: Muggles, Charon
    • Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki
  16. A123 says:

    The Chinese Central Party [CCP] did not intentionally release WUHAN-19 from the lab there.

    — Why is it so hard to believe that an underpaid, overworked menial at the Wuhan laboratory tried to make some money on the side? And, oops….
    — Or, a 100% pure accident at the Wuhan lab, that middle managers covered up CYA to save their jobs?

    There are many plausible ways that the WUHAN-19 virus could have escaped the local lab in total opposition to CCP orders. All of which are vastly more reasonable and logical, than a conspiracy involving nations attacking each other with WMD’s.

    The people saying that this is an intentional attack are Bonkers…

    PEACE 😷

  17. anon[225] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.11.20031096v1

    A had a significantly higher risk for COVID-19 (odds ratio-OR, 1.20; 95% confidence interval-CI 1.02~1.43, P = 0.02) compared with non-A blood groups, whereas blood group O had a significantly lower risk for the infectious disease (OR, 0.67; 95% CI 0.60~0.75, P < 0.001) compared with non-O blood groups.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_type_distribution_by_country

    type: O+ A+ B+ AB+ O− A− B− AB−
    PRC: 47.7% 27.8% 18.9% 5.0% 0.28% 0.19% 0.1% 0.03%
    USA: 37.4% 35.7% 8.5% 3.4% 6.6% 6.3% 1.5% 0.6%

    Perhaps @Ron Unz could explain why the US would design a bioweapon that targets type A blood and spares type O, when the former is more common in the US, while the latter is more common in China.

  18. Carl Schmitt’s use of the noun “the political” for the new concept he introduced was a verbal sleight of hand. He chose a label that sounded like “politics,” but which he sharply distinguished from politics. But he also relied on the fact that because of the verbal similarity, people would unconsciously associate his theory of the political with politics. And that’s what happened.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  19. Dtbb says:

    Now’s the time to go after corruption of all kinds. The people are paying attention for once. Also focus on wastage. Small changes in habits can have huge results.

  20. @Aaron Gross

    I don’t recall ever hearing of Carl Schmitt until this century. I really have no idea about him.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Reg Cæsar
  21. Whiskey says: • Website

    Everyone’s grabbing power while they can. Gavin Newsome now has the power to order every aspect of a Californians life, unless they are a celebrity or billionaire. Us peons, well we have to bow and scrape and get his permission to go to the grocery store. He can shutter or open stores on a whim.

    Mayor Garcetti, same thing. But here’s the thing … the power grab does not come in a vacuum.

    It comes after both these clowns failed to do anything and have embraced open borders and China for decades. So ordinary people can’t get a drink, are stuck at home, broke, with the power turned off eventually and with no food. Who are they going to be angry at?

    The guys that put them in Cellblock H. H for Home. Thats the mayor and Governor. Who are having a grand time preening for the cameras but can’t think ahead. Eventually there will be a break out, likely from the South Central area, and the National Guard will not be enough since they can’t and won’t shoot. Not sacred numinous vibrants.

    When the beer and malt liquor runs out, and so does the weed, and there’s no money, and no food, and no power as it was turned off, we are likely to see a Rodney King style looting and violence and woe betide any White finding themselves in the mob. Ask Reginald Denny. What is to stop some Narco Cartel from simply taking over a great deal of Southern California and demanding the people pay taxes … to them? Heck they have enough armament to take on the Guard and possibly the Pendleton Marines (under restrictive rules of engagement).

    Bottom line Garcetti and Newsome are taking stuff away from people — without giving anything in return. That’s going to be paid for … in blood, and with interest.

  22. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    Azithromycin induces anti-viral effects in cultured bronchial epithelial cells from COPD patients
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4923851/

    Antiviral Effects of Aphidicolin, a New AntibioticProduced by Cephalosporium aphidicola
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC444544/pdf/aac00351-0094.pdf

    Streptovirudins — new antibiotics with antiviral activity. The antiviral spectrum and inhibition of Newcastle disease virus in cell cultures.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/241229

    Topical antibiotic triggers unexpected antiviral response
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/04/180409112602.htm

    Some Antibiotics Rev Up Host Immune Response to Viruses
    https://www.the-scientist.com/daily-news/some-antibiotics-rev-up-host-immune-response-to-viruses-30037

    And vice versa: anti-viral drugs help in bacterial infections

    Effect of Antiviral Treatment on the Outcome of Secondary Bacterial Pneumonia after Influenza
    https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/190/3/519/938816

    • Thanks: Charon
  23. This idea literally came to me in a dream just now and I felt the sudden urge to post it on iSteve as an off topic post but I guess it’s actually appropriate for this post.

    The idea is a discriminatory lockdown. At its simplest you would have three tiers:
    1. Class 1: 65+ or 70+ and all the people with prescription meds for respiratory illness, diabetes and high blood pressure. For the sickos HIPAA be damned and punch holes in their drivers licences. This group cannot leave home at all except for exercise and medical care. Slash the tires on their cars if need be.
    2. Class 2: People who live with and/or serve people in Class 1: These people need to avoid public gatherings and only go out for necessary stuff like grocery shopping, hardware, pharma, gas. They should be guilt shamed into wearing masks and gloves while also practicing optimal personal hygiene. Avoid being around Class 3 people when possible like special store hours for class 2 people.
    3. Class 3: Everybody else. No mass gatherings, but a limit of between 50-100 could still allow gyms, restaurants and smaller churches to stay open. No direct physical contact with strangers. Otherwise live life as normal.

    So the benefits are massive:
    You get to both flatten the curve AND cultivate herd immunity simultaneously.
    Minimize economic disruption.
    Smaller schools could probably mostly reopen if you raised the school mass gathering limit to 250-500 which kind of makes sense since healthy kids are being hospitalized at extremely low rates.
    It proves that discrimination is good. Yeah discrimination!

    Assumptions:
    Old people and sickos are pretty easy to identify.
    Something like only 1 per 1000 of the Class 3 people would need to be hospitalized when they got sick.
    Obsessive hygiene and social distancing of Class 2 flattens the curve just enough for Class 1.

    Please get this idea to Tucker Carlson.
    Seriously, what would be wrong with this other than it goes against Current Year thinking and HIPAA?
    I’m kind of surprised Singapore hasn’t thought of this already.

  24. JimDandy says:
    @Aristotle's Homeboy

    Was it a dream? Or did you subconsciously recall some of my recent posts, wherein I wondered why the first move for America wasn’t just to order the isolation of the 7o+ population, instead of the whole country. My reasoning was that this would prevent 95+% of the deaths while not destroying the economy.

    For what it’s worth, I think some version of what we both are essentially advocating for is inevitable. I’m guessing your dream will, to some extent, start to become reality by the second week of April.

    • Replies: @Aristotle's Homeboy
  25. Anonymous[316] • Disclaimer says:

    The coronavirus pandemic is creating a new world. Economics and politics will be noticeably different when it is over. We just don’t know what the new world will be yet. Everyone knows it because they can feel it. It was a massive failure of the global capital/ open borders experiment. The experiment may continue, but it will require ramped up government brutality to keep it in place. So, even if things stay the same, they won’t be the same.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  26. Ben Keyes says:

    Republicans are to blame for all this and are going to feel the pain

    Just get on twitter

    Look at those guys that dumped their stocks

    • Replies: @Che Blutarsky
  27. George says:
    @Hieroglyph ETs

    What’s this bailout stuff? The federal government shut down the airlines and other businesses in effect commandeering them. If fed gov wants the economy to stop then fed gov should compensate the both the owners and the workers.

    Something I am wondering about is if the death rate in 2020 for countries like Italy and the US will be higher or lower than 2019, 2018, 2017 … .

    The box scores for 2017: from https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

    Number of deaths: 2,813,503
    Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
    Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201

    So far about 300 Covid related Pneumonias ect deaths in the US.

    I am guessing in 2020 things like auto accidents will be way down but suicides will be way up.

    Death rate by country, Italy already had a high death rate
    https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?c=xx&v=26

  28. MG says:
    @JimDandy

    This Stanford professor agrees with Trump’s recommendation –

    He’s also mildly critical of Saint Fauci –

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  29. @anon

    I’m not buying it that the law of supply and demand sets the right wage, …

    It does. It’s just that the supply has been increased for years with cheap immigrant labor. Do you see the connection?

    I would vote for a Communist or a Facist or whatever it takes to change the facts on the ground so workers make more money.

    That’d be pretty stupid. Then we’d all have to pay for it. Think about a better plan than that (immigration moratorium for 50 years, from example).

  30. JimDandy says:
    @MG

    Fauci srtikes me as a lightweight opportunistic establishment lackey who was chosen for his optics–he’s seen as uniquely trustworthy because of his credentials coupled with his cute, recognizable everyman accent.

    • Agree: MG
    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    , @Mr. Anon
  31. I think this Kung Flu is the Socialists’ 9/11. I’m not trying to start a thread on the latter or imply that either was directly government-caused. However, instead of the Totalitarians with their Patriot Act ready to go and their new Dept of Motherland Security, this time it’s the Socialists, as well, one can just read the comments here over the last few days as a start.

    State Governors have used emergency powers (of some sort) to shutter any kinds of businesses they wanted to, the talk is about who gets more of the taxpayers’, or taxpayers’ grandchildren’s, money to compensate them for being ordered to stay home. Listen to this shit. Lockdown is used willy-nilly about everything now. The US is indeed becoming more of a Police State, and the people seem ready to bend over and take it in the ass.

    This is pretty shameful. I’m ashamed at least, to hear perfectly intelligent people who’ve been watching the infotainment panic-fest for 3 weeks straight, start going on about who should be locked down, who should get money “given” to them, and who should be required to wear this and do that. You all will look back on this later and think “why did we fall for that?”. The fact is, nobody planned it like this, but they will take full advantage to turn this country into more of a Socialist nightmare.

    Now, get the fuck outside for a while, people, and go talk to your neighbors from whatever distance doesn’t scare the crap out of you. Everyone was out yesterday. We gave a thank you present to a neighbor for Christmas gifts that she had anonymously left, and we hadn’t figured out until now who it was. The big box of chocolates we had bought for her 3 months back and gave her was about to expire, but she was cool with that.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    , @Thatgirl
    , @David
  32. @Aristotle's Homeboy

    Seriously, what would be wrong with this other than it goes against Current Year thinking

    One thing wrong is that it ignores just how many different classes of privilege we have in this country, composed of entitled people who won’t pay attention to any rules you choose to create.

    https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/03/cops-break-up-2-large-weddings-for-defying-covid-19-rules.html

    The Daily Mail has much better photos…here’s one:

    Heck, they have a better story, as usual:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8138351/Two-New-Jersey-homeowners-arrested-hosting-large-gatherings-including-pop-wedding.html

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    , @LondonBob
    , @vhrm
  33. @Achmed E. Newman

    I think this Kung Flu is the Socialists’ 9/11.

    Tyler Cowen was saying something similar the other day:

    “The Coronavirus Killed the Progressive Left”
    https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/03/the-coronavirus-killed-the-progressive-left.html

    And somewhere on his benighted site I saw the following bit of wit, from an anonymous contributor:

    Last decade: China has lifted more people out of poverty than any country in history!

    This decade: China has thrown more people into poverty than any country in history!

    PS: Cool it with the “F” word okay?

  34. @JimDandy

    Maybe your comments WERE fodder for my dream, but my version is a more practical and palatable elaboration of your idea. After all there needs to be somebody to help out the people in the full blown quarantine since a buffer group is needed to make it feasible and enhance the efficacy of the quarantine of the most vulnerable.
    Society is thus divided into three categories: the Vulnerable, the Caretakers, and the Allies. That way everybody has a clear role in the ‘fight’.

  35. LondonBob says:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8138675/PETER-HITCHENS-shutting-Britain-REALLY-right-answer.html

    Interesting Peter Hitchens tells us the Imperial team were responsible for the foot and mouth debacle.

    What can one say to this? In a pungent letter to The Times last week, a leading vet, Dick Sibley, cast doubt on the brilliance of the Imperial College scientists, saying that his heart sank when he learned they were advising the Government. Calling them a ‘team of doom-mongers’, he said their advice on the 2001 foot-and-mouth outbreak ‘led to what I believe to be the unnecessary slaughter of millions of healthy cattle and sheep’ until they were overruled by the then Chief Scientific Adviser, Sir David King.

  36. @Mr McKenna

    This is supposed to be the pic:

  37. LondonBob says:
    @Mr McKenna

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/nyregion/Coronavirus-brooklyn-hasidic-jews.html

    Hasidic Jews are still the superspreaders.

    • Replies: @BB753
    , @Mr McKenna
    , @George
  38. MG says:

    Larry Summers is getting creamed for his tweet about American manufacturing which he helped destroy. The lack of self-awareness is something.

  39. Anonymous[171] • Disclaimer says:

    When the dust from this shit-storm finally settles, the “international community” must use moral pressure – as a form of reparation – to urge the Chinese to prohibit the sale and trading of wild mammals as food. Also the repugnant practice of butchering cats and dogs for meat must stop.
    But, alas, I doubt the Chinese will give a shit, and since they’ve got all the wealth and power these days, they will continue as they please.
    Plus, the west’s political class, Economist and all, is in their pocket.

  40. @A123

    Are you trying to get banned from Unz?

    • Replies: @A123
  41. @MG

    Dr. Summers is brilliant, not smart.

  42. @Mr McKenna

    You’re getting my meaning wrong then, or maybe Mr. Cowen’s. I just read the Tyler Cowen article on Bloomberg. He says that this Kung Flu deal will put the kibosh on the Global Climate Disruption(TM) scam, the Globalism (we can only wish), and wealth redistribution. As for my comment, I meant that Socialists of all types will use, or are using, this big event to push for bailouts, aka wealth distribution, in all kinds of ways. The power of government will have a chance to grow quickly just as it did after 9/11.

    I think Tyler Cowen and I have completely different views on this, per what I just read. I surely hope he’s the one who’s right about it. I’m not hopeful, as I’ve seen the way things have been inexorably going in this country since the mid-1990s. Here’s the ironic thing: Tyler Cowen is not happy with what he’s pulling out his ass predicting, while I would be glad for that all to happen. I guess we are both pessimists.

    .

    Copy about the F-word. Sorry. Sometimes it just fits, but it wasn’t essential for that particular comment.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    , @SFG
  43. neutral says:

    It should be clear by now that liberal democracy is the worst form of government. If the Third Reich existed now it would be able to deal with such problems much better, people need to reject democracy and embrace alternative forms of government such as fascism or national socialism.

    • Replies: @BB753
  44. So much of the projections and predictions for the COVID-19 are based on unknowns and questionable data. What troubles me so greatly about (in my view) the hyped panic response to this species of flu is that it sets a terrible precedent for a draconian government lock down of the economy … whenever. So now, even when (if?) Corona subsides, when a new wave or a new strain hits, off we’ll go again, throwing people out of work and destroying their life’s savings. Panic doesn’t bring out the smarts in people. It seems to make us collectively stupid and willing to act like sheep.

    I heard a doctor from Kansas interviewed a couple of days ago. He said that the cure was worse than the disease. Corona in Kansas: one person had died; and 80 or so infections — Economics/Social in Kansas; 11,000 applications for government assistance and a 600 percent jump in unemployment. Panic attacks, suicide attempts, depression — people scared, isolated, helpless. I think we’re being played. When the politicians are calling this “a war” you know we are in big trouble. Remember Bush’s “War on Terrorism”? We can see how well that turned out.

    When is all done, millions of working class lives in ruins — against, some guessing about how many people will die from a flu strain that doesn’t seem to be much more lethal than past varieties. C.J. Hopkin’s blog yesterday nailed it.

  45. @anon

    I feel for your friend, the same way I feel for my brother who swings a hammer for a living and brings home 1/20th of what I bring home while sitting in an office.

    My brother is feeling a lot of earning-power pressure from illegal and legal immigration into the US, so Achmed is spot-on in advocating a moratorium.

    Until recently, I constantly had conversations with European managers (mostly UK and German, but even some French) who claimed they need to hire immigrants because they can’t find locals to fill the jobs your friend does. You should see the looks on their faces when I tell them they aren’t willing to pay a real market rate of pay and, instead, want to rig the labour markets against their own people.

    But it cuts two ways. I hire into positions in the UK, France, and Germany. In the past decade or so, when I interviewed locals for various entry-level jobs, you could detect a sort of sense of entitlement to a management position in the near future if I would just let the candidate show me what they could do. You should see the looks I got when I asked them how they feel about fetching coffee.

    I need to be careful here, because I’m an immigrant currently depriving several Europeans of jobs not because I am cheaper, but because I have a broader skill-set that works across many borders to add value to our organisation. There are immigrants we might want for various reasons, but it should be because they help grow the economy and contribute to the society, and not just because they keep wages and prices down and bring interesting cuisine.

  46. A123 says:

    Despite the headline, this is actually an excellent article on FOOD LOGISTICS: (1)

    First the most important point:

    There is enough food capacity in the overall food supply chain, and no-one should worry about the U.S. ever running out of the ability to feed itself.

    And now for the catch:

    However, the total food supply chain is based on two segments: food at home and food away from home.

    The seismic shift toward ‘food at home‘ is what has caused the shortages, and that supply chain is not likely to recover full service of products again until the ‘food away from home’ sector gets back to normal. No need to panic, but there will be long-term shortages.

    The aspect that most models are missing, is the pressure on the supply-chain will not soon end. The restaurant sector (‘food away from home’) appears to be operating at far less than half capacity (perhaps as low as 25%) due to coronavirus restrictions. As long as those food consumers remain shifted into the retail supply chain (food at home), there are going to be long-term shortages due to capacity constraints and distribution limits.

    Even if you do not like my views on other issues, please share this article. I think it will help head off misunderstanding about thinly stocked shelves.

    PEACE 😷
    _______

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/21/pa-turnpike-authority-reopens-closed-service-stations-to-support-truckers/

  47. BB753 says:
    @LondonBob

    “Hasidic Jews are still the superspreaders.”

    It’s tikkun olam, goy! Enjoy their generosity, for a change!

  48. BB753 says:
    @neutral

    Or monarchy where the monarch actually rules, with or without a parliament.

  49. vhrm says:
    @Mr McKenna

    I hope they fight it in the courts and that this crap starts getting overturned.

    The rule over there is no gatherings over 50. I don’t see in the article how many people were at the wedding. If it was 1000 ok, that’s maybe considerably different. If it was 100… eh. close enough. i’d like to see them defend in court how 50 is the right number.

    By California standards you can’t have a group more than 10 and actually can’t even be out or your house for a social gathering at all. So by OUR standards the NJ government all have blood on their hands anyway because of their criminally lax rules.

    This really IS starting to look like tyranny. That governor and mayor don’t have any clue as to actual risk of this group size vs that one etc. They’re just foaming at the mouth because people aren’t respecting their athorite.

  50. BB753 says:
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    I hear the Chinese are making a killing in the stock market, buying up the shares of foreign and national corporations. Globalists are losing big time.
    As Confucius would have said: never let a good crisis go to waste!

  51. @LondonBob

    Hasidic Jews are still the superspreaders.

    Was the guy in New Rochelle a Hasid?? I don’t know, and since I have both Twatter & the NYT blocked on my computer I can’t follow some links.

    “This is a Hillul Hashem,” he says. And it’s a betrayal of the primary Jewish value: choose life!

    If that’s their “primary value” are they now opposed to abortion?

  52. guest007 says:
    @Roger

    Does anyone really think that adopting a “burn out” strategy would really be helpful. Do you think people would go back to flying, to traveling, or gathering in large groups? Or would every other country in the world seal its borders against in the U.S. and refuse to ship us anything for being so stupid.

    This disease has spread because politicains are short-sighted, people are stupid, and everyone thinks that there is some clever, easy trick that will put an end to it.

    The only way to solve the economic issues is to solve the pandemic issues. The only way to solve the pandemic issues is for everyone to work together to make it end. People who want to ignore the issue and idiots who must have failed high school biology are not helping.

  53. vhrm says:
    @MG

    Yeah… people are letting him have it in there.

    But TBH idk what the solution is.
    i really don’t want to pay 3x as much for everything to have it be American made.

    Also, even if stuff were manufactured here, how much do you want to pay to maintain 100x surge capacity.

    Even with this mask thing… we’ve established in other threads that the shortage is manageable.

    And there are factories in the the US that make them and they can surge maybe 50% … that seems reasonable.

    The only reason China isn’t running out of masks is because their capacity is several times their normal usage because they usually export the stuff and now they’re using it locally to meet their surge needs.

    In other words, of this is the worst of the effective of offspring much of our manufacturing, then it’s not really that bad.

    (now.. if we say.. had a war and realized that we can’t get or make any phones, laptops , tablets, monitors or televisions anymore… that would be more sobering)

  54. @Achmed E. Newman

    You’re right, I jumped to the wrong conclusion about your meaning. It’s actually a very good question which of you is right, and I definitely don’t know which is why I simply offered his take for what it’s worth.

    Only mentioned the ‘F’ word because your language is normally quite clean, and there are so few of us left 😉

  55. @JimDandy

    Fauci [strikes] me as a lightweight opportunistic establishment lackey …

    While the anointment of Dr. Anthony Fauci as a sort of virtuous, gentle, secular saint is bemusing, it’s unfair to him to paint him as a lightweight. He isn’t.

    From Wikipedia:

    In 2003, the Institute for Scientific Information stated that from 1983 to 2002, “Fauci was the 13th most-cited scientist among the 2.5 to 3 million authors in all disciplines throughout the world who published articles in scientific journals”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Fauci#Medical_achievements

  56. @MG

    There was some crazy gathering of 16,000 Muslim worshipers in Malaysia in early March, when Malaysia had already started taking countermeasures. It’s responsible for at least 60% of the cases there.

    https://news.yahoo.com/malaysia-coronavirus-cases-jump-1-081058325.html

  57. @interesting

    that was supposed to be DON’T……..

    Thing is i posted but was never given a chance to see what I posted to review or edit…….that happens a lot these days here.

  58. @Aristotle's Homeboy

    I think that’s pretty similar to what Boris Johnson was proposing a week or two ago, but TPTB shut it down in a hurry. Somebody high up there really wants a total lock-down over all of Western civilization. The real agenda goes far, far beyond some silly flu-like virus.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  59. @anon

    I know machinists with 25 years experience that don’t make even close to $60 and should. And that job ….this guys holds .0005 tolerances……is 100 times more stressful and demanding than stocking shelves.

    NOT mocking the stock dude one bit, fact is, unless you have a state, city, or other government job your wages have gone no where for 25 mother fucking years.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  60. @anon

    You’re right. White collar America is vastly overpaid relative to what they produce, particularly Doctors and Lawyers. Blue collar are underpaid. Blue collar bring much more to the table than they are given credit for. No job is just rote. Every job requires intelligence. Anyone who doesn’t accept this? Then follow in Barbara Ehrenreich’s shoes and get a job in that sector. I’ve worked both.

    “Foremost, Ehrenreich attacks the notion that low-wage jobs require only unskilled labor. A journalist with a Ph.D. in cell biology, she found that manual labor required incredible feats of stamina, focus, memory, quick thinking, and fast learning. Constant and repeated movement creates a risk of repetitive stress injury; pain must often be worked through to hold a job in a market with constant turnover; and the days are filled with degrading and uninteresting tasks (e.g. toilet-cleaning and mopping). She also details several individuals in management roles who served mainly to interfere with worker productivity, to force employees to undertake pointless tasks, and to make the entire low-wage work experience even more miserable. Additionally, she describes her managers changing her shift schedule from week to week without notifying her.” Wiki

    I worked as a temp (while a student) in a factory where the “break room” for the floor workers was literally a metal cage. The only “food” available came from vending machines. Those orange peanut butter crackers were the nearest approximation to nutrition. We sat at picnic tables. Meanwhile, the white collar help enjoyed a carpeted room complete with comfortable, backed chairs, nice, clean, formica-topped tables, refrigerator, microwave, sink, coffee maker and so on.

    First thing the Japanese automakers did in the auto factories they built in America was do away with these obvious class markers which showed contempt and disdain for the manual worker. And the completed cars show the benefits of this.

  61. @Stephen Paul Foster

    This 9/11 Part II. They’re finishing what they started twenty years ago. Now all of Western civilization is under martial law. Winning!

  62. @Anonymous

    You won’t go far astray if, instead of saying “Trump lies” as my liberal friends do, you instead look upon him as a salesman. He stretches things a bit, is guilty of hyperbole, maybe paints his pictures with raw colors right out of the tube a bit too impressionistically, but for this he can be forgiven. It’s just who he is. It’s his style.

    Does he get the picture basically right? Can you identify elements in the painting that correspond to reality? Yes? Well then, he’s no different from the rest of us, each of whom sees things and renders them from our own particular, peculiar perspective.*

    *I’m not kidding. In a painting course we were instructed to paint a still life as accurately as we possibly could; drawing, color and shading were to be as photo like as possible. On critique day all the paintings were displayed on easels for everyone to see. No two were even remotely like one another. Not only did they differ in perspective, as one would expect given that we each viewed the subject from our own unique angle, but there were dramatic differences in lighting, texture of brush strokes, variety of brush strokes and color. In short, each painting had personality.

    The upshot is that there has never been a bland, one-dimensional man as conceived by Marxist/Freudian critics of the 1960’s. He is a hypostatization. We of the 60’s were hoodwinked and swindled by pros when we bought into this stuff.

  63. @Anonymous

    If true, then we simply have a problem with naming. We should stop using the term antibiotics for such substances because it is misleading.

    But what to call them? Calling them antimicrobial may be too broad. Antivirobacterials?

  64. I’ve said it before, so may this is boring, but when this epidemic is over and done with, it will have been a huge stress test for all the health care systems in the world, and perhaps even the systems of government too.

    The results are by no means a foregone conclusion. Italy, which by some metrics is considered to have the second best health service in the world (after France) is having a very hard time of it.

    In the US the state departments of health are bearing the brunt and seem to be performing well. The worry is more about the economic effects of the disease. Health care facilities are short on personal protective equipment like masks, but Americans are often ingenious and will soon find ways of making more masks if they are needed.

    • Replies: @interesting
  65. A123 says:
    @Redneck farmer

    Disagreeing with Mr. Unz is unlikely to draw a ban. I am actually both appreciative and supportive of his rights:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/masks/#comment-3786652

    My hope his Mr. Unz will tackle the idea of a release without Central Party approval in a head on fashion.

    Any nation using a bio-WMD invites the possibility of a nuke-WMD response. No sane national leader, like Trump, would go there. And, there are not very many truly insane national leaders. None with a reason to pick a fight with the strongest military in the Far East.

    Theories involving rogue agencies attempting to start a U.S.-China nuclear war sounds like a Clancey novel not the real world. The entire human race suffers if the planet is damaged.

    PEACE 😷

  66. @Stephen Paul Foster

    I too am worried about the precedent set here.

    Trying to be an optimist, I balance this with the likelihood that open borders, illegal immigration love, and the unquestioning welcoming of economic “refugees” will take a big hit. And maybe, just maybe, we’ll start to produce much more domestically creating a need for a much more skill-diverse workforce. And, in my dreams, I can now even see a reduction of legal immigration and the various work visas which are currently at levels that destroy prosperity and any sense of common identity for Americans.

  67. George says:
    @LondonBob

    Hasidic Jews fear God not your made up crisis. The insular community with a huge number of very young people will achieve ‘herd immunity’ while the ‘science’ based community will still be sheltering in place as their lives and livelihoods are destroyed.

  68. bomag says:
    @Hieroglyph ETs

    Bailouts & no cash for taxpayers…

    Well, somebody has to take the hit.

  69. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    The people saying that this is an intentional attack are Bonkers…

    I know, right. It’s also bonkers to think that the Chinese embassy bombing in Belgrade was anything but an error from using old maps.

    Equally bonkers to think U.S. intel agencies were lying about yellow cake and WMD in Iraq in order to start a war there. Anyone who thinks thousands of Americans and millions of Iraqis died for a false flag should have their head examined.

  70. Bugg says:
    @Enochian

    It may make sense to limit people assembling in groups. Red China certainly had no problem shutting down public assemblies. And it hasn’t been subtle here that the constitutional right to assembly is being given away in the name of public safety. May be justified right now. But it’s a dangerous precedent. And a dangerous precedent generally. What stops any future president for doing this again? The media loves jacking up a crisis. Frankly the abandoned British idea of herd immunity looks much wiser.But it will never be allowed.

    We are $23 trillion in debt. The entire federal budget for FY 2017 was roughly $4.1 trillion. This will add at least $2 trillion to the debt, and at a time of cratering federal tax receipts. Don’t care what your political view is, that is not sustainable.

  71. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Hieroglyph ETs

    Bailouts & no cash for taxpayers will not look good for the GOP, and could doom not only Trump, but the senate majority as well this November.

    Yep.

  72. Bill says:
    @anon

    Voting for a Communist is not the right response, but otherwise A+. By now, even the most casual glance around is enough to establish that merit, defined in any but the most circular way, determines very little. It’s almost like the libertarians were lying.

  73. There will be an opportunity to simply continue the good things (travel bans, close the southern border, deport immediately, telemedicine, insurance and medical practice across state lines). Also tie all corporate aid to hard targets to bring jobs and plants back to USA. Trump is openly calling out, in person, the woke/SJW/PC idiots in the media. Have more and more people see this and get disgusted with them.

  74. theMann says:
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    Well I would just agree, but the button isn’t working.

    Let me add one thing:

    The worst consequences are not from the phony baloney “pandemic”. The worst consequences are not even from the terrible self-inflicted Economic wounds. The worst consequences will flow from the revelation that tens of millions of Americans are dedicated Police State Ass-lickers for no other reason than that they are a bunch of Hysterical Cowards.

  75. Bill says:
    @Mike

    No. If it turns out to be not so bad, then “it” is falsified. The US response has been such a gigantic under reaction, that a good outcome will mean that the virus wasn’t a big threat (for whatever reason) to begin with. If we get Northern Italy over most of the US, then the Chicken Littles were right.

    If you are just explaining what the media line will be, then I agree, but only retards listen to them.

    • Replies: @Mike
  76. Bugg says:
    @Whiskey

    Don’t buy all of this, but much truth here.Lived through the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy in shore communities in NY-destruction of homes, people out in the cold, no power, no gas, no food distribution, for roughly 3 weeks. Had it gone on much longer(2-3 weeks), who knows. The “we are all in this together” veneer lasts only so long. Civil society is predicated on a number of little things we all take for granted , and when those things go to hell for an extended period, watch out.

  77. Bill says:
    @Anonymous

    Does the Z-Pack work against the virus per se or against a secondary bacterial infection?

  78. Anon[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Fauci’s net worth is $11 million. He’s been at NIH since he graduated Georgetown Medical School in the 1960’s. He’s married to Christine Grady, Ph.D., who also works at NIH. Grady sounds like she had a radical leftist upbringing (read E. Michael Jones on black-Jewish alliance):

    Grady Says Her Parents Instilled In Her a Sense of Social Duty By Taking Her to Civil Rights Marches As a Child

    https://heavy.com/news/2020/03/christine-grady-anthony-fauci-wife/

    Here’s Tiny Tony talking on PBS Frontline about his work in the battle against HIV/AIDS:

    “I remember a conversation late into the middle of the night in my home with Bono as we were eating pasta that I cooked for him in my back porch talking about what the best way to go about this thing is. You have a rock star talking to me who is helping to put together something for the president, and we’re getting bipartisan support, which is sometimes unusual in this city. We are clearly getting bipartisan support for this. It was really a wonderful thing that happened.”

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/aids/interviews/fauci.html

  79. Anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:

    1) I’m finding it difficult to care about the Democratic primary/presumptive nominee. But media doesn’t seem to care about him either, i.e. Page 27-ing his (no doubt boring) press conferences. Normally, a high proportion of the news is just unimportant garbage that is being trumpeted to fill time; but it is telling that nobody wants to pretend Biden’s peregrinations are minimally interesting. I have no effing clue if this helps/hurts him in the general.
    2) I have a bad feeling Trump’s bailouts will be even more egregious than the Bushbama era. This is because our society is exponentially more dominated by gimme-dat thinking than even ten years ago. It’s now the default paradigm. And Trump is not the kind of ideological gadfly who would manfully defy the dire Zeitgeist. To put it lightly

  80. @Jonathan Mason

    “it will have been a huge stress test for all the health care systems in the world”

    Maybe you are right BUT I think the real stress test being administered here is how much the civilian populations will put up with in terms of government control and media manipulation.

    Right now I give the populace a score of 3 on a 1 to 10 scale………the sheep bleat but not much else as they stand in line shoulder to shoulder at Costco.

    Where is the push back? Why are we going along so easily?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  81. Lugash says:

    No bailout cash for the cruise line industry. They’re headquartered in Panama and fly foreign flags. They seem to employ mostly foreigners(under awful working conditions) to service wealthy Americans for a non-vital function.

    Take equity stakes in the airlines.

  82. dfordoom says: • Website

    There are a number of probable economic consequences that don’t seem to be getting discussed much.

    This will be pretty much the end of the line for Mom & Pop stores. If they’re forced to close their doors most will never reopen. These are businesses that operate close to the edge financially even in good times. From the point of view of big business this is good news. Competition from small stores will be largely eliminated.

    Not just stores but a lot of small businesses will be wiped out.

    So we’re going to see an even greater concentration of power and wealth in the hands of big business.

    And a lot of people currently running small businesses will end up as wage slaves working for big business. Or, more likely, they’ll just join the ranks of the unemployed.

    From the point of view of big business shutdowns are incredibly good news. Even medium-sized companies might well be forced out of business. But big business will get bailouts.

  83. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I don’t recall ever hearing of Carl Schmitt until this century. I really have no idea about him.

    Harvard Law prof Adrian Vermuele popularized him for the general public on Twitter. But Schmitt’s popularity should wane after Vermuele deleted his Twitter account over being chased off by the angry PC mob.

    Newsweek

    HARVARD LAW PROFESSOR SPARKS OUTRAGE WITH ‘CAMPS’ COMMENT ON AD FOR SUMMIT ON PRINCIPLED CONSERVATISM

    By Jeffrey Martin on 2/20/20

    Harvard Law professor Adrian Vermuele drew criticism Thursday for a tweet that apparently compared participants in a meeting for conservatives who do not support President Donald Trump to people who were sent to concentration camps.

    Included in Vermuele’s tweet was an advertisement for the February 29 Summit on Principled Conservatism which presented photos of some of the scheduled speakers for the event, including commentator Bill Kristol, political strategist Sarah Longwell and columnist Sarah Quinlan.

    “The very first group for the camps,” Vermuele tweeted.

    https://www.newsweek.com/harvard-law-professor-sparks-outrage-camps-comment-ad-summit-principled-conservatism-1488363

  84. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Enochian

    Will we adopt a more authoritarian stance like the governments of Japan/Taiwan/South Korea, that have done so much better in this crisis?

    It does seem likely that we will end up living in a much more authoritarian society. Governments are getting a taste of the joys of unlimited power.

    Will autarky become a major thing?

    That would be a good thing but it’s unlikely.

    Governments will end up with greater power but they’re likely to use that power to advance corporate interests.

  85. @anon

    The differences they found were really pretty minor. They found 32% A in the general population but 38% A in the hospitalized-for-CV population.

    • Replies: @res
  86. I always credit Trump for at least helping rip off the mask to show how Washington really runs. Likewise this plague has dramatically illustrated tbe growing tentacles of our modern Nanny State, especially when filtered through our shrieking, feminized media.

    Today even a 5-inch showfall requires emergency press conferences with a dozen grim-faced public officials crowding into camera range while the governor warns citizens to stay home and be safe. So what do you expect with a real (if perhaps overplayed) threat — it’s the Nanny State on steroids, with Nanny also brandishing a cattle prod.

  87. Thatgirl says:
    @anon

    Whether and how blood type effects infection with COVID19 is very interesting.

    If South Asia doesn’t get hit very hard perhaps their B blood type made then somehow less susceptible?

    I saw a study a few years ago that people with type A blood and rhesus negative blood were more likely to be symptomatic for West Nile Virus.

  88. Corvinus says:
    @Aristotle's Homeboy

    Of course the flaw in your “plan” is who will determine where each person fits in the tier and how will this process actually be implemented with 330 million Americans, considering that medical experts have indicated that people are carriers but may not show the symptoms right away. So, how about filling in with the key details.

    Unless, of course, you are trolling here, with your “proposal”.

  89. We need more vacation time in America. This crisis might be a way of achieving that. Either more vacation time or move toward a 30 or 35 hour work week. This would create more jobs. It would allow people to balance work and family better. And frankly, most of us could be just as productive with a shorter work week.

    This whole concept of grinding away doesn’t do 99% of workers any good. Sure, if you are Bill Gates, fine. But for the rest of us, it’s a fool’s game.

  90. If you were born in the late 1890s, your adult life very possibly included fighting in WWI, surviving the Spanish Flu epidemic, grinding your way through The Great Depression and then enduring WWII — maybe sending your kids off to die.

    Even with Vietnam, 9/11, our Mideast wars and the various market panics, the vast number of Americans alive today have had it pretty quiet until a few weeks ago. So now we’re going to find out a lot about Americans in general — like watching how a long-time winning team deals with a stunning, bewildering setback.

  91. Flip says:

    I see the US dollar going way down with all this money printing coming. Stagflation will be bad.

  92. Corvinus says:
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    “So much of the projections and predictions for the COVID-19 are based on unknowns and questionable data.”

    Sources? Because Mr. Sailer and company have offered robust information to the contrary.

    “What troubles me so greatly about (in my view) the hyped panic response to this species of flu is that it sets a terrible precedent for a draconian government lock down of the economy … whenever.”

    Only when there is another extreme circumstance.

    “I heard a doctor from Kansas interviewed a couple of days ago. He said that the cure was worse than the disease. ”

    Could you fill us in with the details?

    “When the politicians are calling this “a war” you know we are in big trouble. Remember Bush’s “War on Terrorism”? We can see how well that turned out.”

    That is a false comparison.

    I always enjoy Mr. Sailer’s open threads, especially on this topic, especially with such therapeutic doozies like:

    “It should be clear by now that liberal democracy is the worst form of government.”

    “Bottom line Garcetti and Newsome are taking stuff away from people — without giving anything in return. That’s going to be paid for … in blood, and with interest.”

    “The coronavirus pandemic is creating a new world.”

    “Hasidic Jews are still the superspreaders.”

    “The US is indeed becoming more of a Police State, and the people seem ready to bend over and take it in the ass.”

    Although, it would be more worthwhile for our intrepid host to offer HIS OWN DIRECT opinions on how well our politicians are performing in response to this crisis, rather than remain cagey.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/20/trump-coronavirus-scoreboard-133688

  93. Corvinus says:
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    “So much of the projections and predictions for the COVID-19 are based on unknowns and questionable data.”

    Sources? Because Mr. Sailer and company have offered robust information to the contrary.

    “What troubles me so greatly about (in my view) the hyped panic response to this species of flu is that it sets a terrible precedent for a draconian government lock down of the economy … whenever.”

    Only when there is another extreme circumstance.

    “I heard a doctor from Kansas interviewed a couple of days ago. He said that the cure was worse than the disease. ”

    Could you fill us in with the details?

    “When the politicians are calling this “a war” you know we are in big trouble. Remember Bush’s “War on Terrorism”? We can see how well that turned out.”

    That is a false comparison.

    I always enjoy Mr. Sailer’s open threads, especially on this topic, especially with such therapeutic doozies like:

    “It should be clear by now that liberal democracy is the worst form of government.”

    “Bottom line Garcetti and Newsome are taking stuff away from people — without giving anything in return. That’s going to be paid for … in blood, and with interest.”

    “The coronavirus pandemic is creating a new world.”

    “Hasidic Jews are still the superspreaders.”

    “The US is indeed becoming more of a Police State, and the people seem ready to bend over and take it in the ass.”

    Although, it would be more worthwhile for our intrepid host to offer HIS OWN DIRECT opinions on how well our politicians are performing in response to this crisis, rather than remain cagey.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/20/trump-coronavirus-scoreboard-133688

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  94. @Achmed E. Newman

    Well, that was written at an odd hour, so how about “immigration moratorium for 50 years, for example” or “for one example” – no idea which I intended to write.

  95. Thatgirl says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You are absolutely correct. I have never seen such a manufactured disaster as this COVID- Y2K.

    We are basing this complete panicked response on the “numbers” coming out of two countries – Italy and China.

    Completely lost is the fact that Italy has been losing thousands of people ever year to flu because they have a very elderly population. In past years, these folks died quietly and unnoticed at home or in a nursing home, now they are dragged by terrified caretakers and family to an ER where they are left to die on hospital floors.

    In China, folks who were sick were literally dragged out of their homes by goons and thrown into ill-equipped multi-bed facilities, where they were Quarantined from their loves ones and exposed to all manner of other illness.

    Who knows how many people have died from fear and loneliness and despair?

  96. Thea says:

    After AIDS broke out, the media lectured that homos were a special, angelic, victimized group and they were held up to be worshipped. They now appear in every TV show as flamboyantly as possible.

    After 9/11, the media lectured that Muslims were also such a group. And not as many but still quite a few shows have a magical Muslim save the day.

    Now it’s Chinamen’s turn.

  97. Stop the outsourcing. If you don’t make it here; don’t sell it here.

    Rebuild the manufacturing base. A nation with a service based economy is a paper tiger.

    Impose a twenty year Immigration Moratorium/freeze.

    Strict enforcement of immigration laws for the health and safety of the American people.

    Making America great again, requires rebuilding America.

    Chris Kobach/ President 2024.

    I feel better now.

  98. It’s time to look at economic justice. Working and Middle class workers have been cheated for 50 years. We need to shift more power back to the worker.

    End the murkiness about who gets paid what, which only serves corporate ends.

    I see a White guy, a Meztizo an a Black guy, and they are treated like equal little rats to run in a maze for the company. It’s sick. The misery caused by affirmative action and forced “diversity’ has led to 50 years of stagnation and declining White male life expectancies.

    White parents see their White kids humiliated, cheated out of a future, then shipped off to some war, knowing his girlfriend may get knocked by up some hiphop wannabe.

    When he comes back, he’s told he’s no better than Pepe or Isiah, he needs to grind away with them for years-. His family’s centuries of sacrifice mean nothing. In fact, he has to make for his privilege. And anyway, now he has to compete against China and India.

    No, this has to end now.

  99. I think we all need to implement the Sheryl Crow Protocol. You remember that, right? Because of the TP shortage, only one square used when doing your business. I myself have instituted the Modified Sheryl Crow Protocol, in which I use THREE squares, if the softness of the BM so indicates. Of course, her original Protocol parameters were to save the Environment, but this is a Global Emergency, so we all need to do our part…

  100. Greg Cochran, whom I esteem, rejected the following as nonsense. I’m re-posting it here because I disagree with his assessment and think that this is worth reading:

    I’ve been sounding the tocsin about the current pandemic for about six or eight weeks now.

    But I’m beginning to think that we need a much more moderate public health policy than that which our establishment is now imposing across this country and much of Europe. First, it’s unlikely these policies will eradicate this new virus. It will spring up again next Fall or early winter, just as virulent as now. Second, as so many have noted, these policies will wreak havoc on an economic system that is already near collapse*. Third, these policies are already wreaking havoc on the lives of a large segment of the population, which was already experiencing profound difficulties, e.g., single parents of school age children whose only day care recourse was the public schools, which are now closed. The end result will likely be levels of civil disobedience and unrest that will eventually erupt into rioting on a scale not yet seen in this country. When public health restrictions are finally eased we may emerge from our sheltering in place to find a society, economy, and political system that is irreparably altered. What hose alterations may be God alone knows. I suspect that whatever they may be, it will affect our ability to deal with a resurgence of the novel Corona virus. So beginning in the Fall of next year we may face the same epidemic we are now but without the resources to prevent the very thing we are currently trying to prevent.

    and a followup response to Cochran’ dismissal:

    Anyway, the optimal approach for dealing with this epidemic depends very much on data that we do not yet have. If the case fatality rate is as low as some suggest then modest public health efforts are in order, not ones that have the potential to create economic and social chaos. If case fatality rates are high, outside of east Asia, ignorance and complacency caused inexcusable delays in implementing public health measures early on, when the virus was still containable. I fear the horse may already have bolted the barn. The public health measures currently being implemented may no longer have the power to contain the epidemic and reduce deaths to an acceptable level. Unfortunately, on the other hand, they may compound the disaster of an epidemic with high case fatality rates, by adding high levels of social disorder to the mix.

    This pandemic struck when the global economic system was already teetering on the brink of collapse. As a result it transcends just being a public health issue. That additional factor needs to be kept in mind when dealing with the problem.

  101. George says:

    ADL horrified Hispanics appoint Proud Boy to town council and don’t understand what the big deal is.

    How did a Hispanic-majority city end up appointing a hate group member?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/how-did-a-hispanic-majority-city-end-up-appointing-a-hate-group-member/ar-BB11v4AS

  102. David says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    If taxpayers’ grandchildren pay taxes, it’ll be for the glory of the power brokers of their day, not ours. Just the same scam on a different day.

    When the Fed or the treasury or congress enter the market for goods and services with fiat money or debt, they make goods and services scarcer for everyone. They don’t grow production, they just claim a bigger share of this year’s.

    The whole debt construct is just like judgement day. What you see here and now may be unjust, but the day of reckoning will come, and all will be accounted for and paid. Maybe that’s actually true in the celestial sphere. But on Earth, the folks consuming a disproportionately large share today are the real winners and those consuming less than their contribution the losers. Forever, amen.

    If they just said, the government this year will claim and distribute 50% of production, everyone would be incensed. But that they do it just the same, while promising to make up for it by only claiming 30% starting some day in the distant future, most everyone is okay with it.

    The rotten, sold-out and demoralized country we’re living in now is the same price posterity will pay.

  103. @PiltdownMan

    So he’s credentialled. He’s also Deep State.

    • Thanks: kaganovitch, Testing12
  104. @Enochian

    If we’re settling in for authoritarianism … can we at least ban tatoos.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
    • LOL: ben tillman
  105. JimDandy says:
    @PiltdownMan

    He’s not really a lightweight doctor, but he plays one on TV? I’m not sure if that Wikipedia excerpt is evidence of his brilliance, or his knack for writing about trendy medical issues.

  106. @Mike

    Perhaps the right lesson to take from all this is that we need to prevent people around the world from eating bats and snakes.

    • Replies: @epebble
  107. @Enochian

    I had more of a question than an opinion – if all this radically changes the political outlook of society, what are those changes likely to be?

    Nationalism should benefit. This is actually a *huge* knock on globalism. The cause is foreigners doing weird foreign shit. The fast spread is open-borders, rah-rah, globalism. And our globo loving establishment has shown itself to be utterly unprepared–incompetent, indifferent–for even the most obvious threat from their own ideology–pandemic–despite the repeated shots across our bow (SARS,H1N1, Ebola).

    Despite the recession Trump could–weirdly–still even win this thing, because the cause is so obviously something outside his control that is promoted by his enemies. But he has to be able to clearly make the nationalist case and as we’ve seen he’s pretty pathetic at that (and has only casual attachment to it himself).

  108. @explorer

    We destroyed our country because of 200 deaths.

    I keep encountering people saying stuff like this.

    If our society can be destroyed by several weeks of quarantine, then it was already dead.

    I see no indications that’s actually the case, however. Yeah, there’s gonna be a recession. Probably a sharp one that will end quickly, and be followed by a massive recovery. Maybe there’s some reason why it’s more intelligent to believe “We [have] destroyed our country“.

    I can’t imagine what that would be, however.

  109. @A123

    Yes the Chinese are UTTERLY INCOMPETENT! When my factory got exported to China a decade back the unemployment office referred me to a local business owned by a Mainland Chinese Dual Citizen who imports domestic Chinese quality junk from Shezhen and peddles it online. He rushes these knock off designs with these loser engineers who don’t know what they are doing. Millions of dollars of devices showed up without knowing that in the US we used a different frequency in our HDMI ports that in China so they don’t work with our TVs. Software disks for their product they burned on PCs with counterfeit Windows that they also surfed the internet with and got a nasty computer malware virus that g0t on EVERY SINGLE DISK they sent out to US consumers with their garbage knock off product. Firmware that simply doesn’t work period that was shipped anyway because the crackpot who owned the business didn’t want to believe it doesn’t work. Firmware that works with simple routers, but not the ISP provided routers in common use with all kinds of proprietary protocols that these Chinese quacks can’t figure out how to make a product that works. AND MOST OF ALL THE OWNER DIDN’T FOLLOW MARKET FORCES OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND and builds ridiculous inventory of products that don’t sell that tickle his hobby horse fascination and ignores the products that were actually in-demand. Then he operates on a dictatorial “fuhrer principle” with no one to over rule all his crackpot ideas and incompetent business decisions. He also created a cult of personality forcing the head of HR to hold a ceremony that declared him to be a “Visionary” on par with Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. He had his Chinese sycophants come up with a website of his “quotes” all in bold text and bright background from PowerPoint as if he’s Socrates, Confucius, and Mao Tse Tung all rolled into one. So yes the “Chinese” way of doing things is unbelievably incompetent and bungling and they should never be trusted with anything dangerous or you can expect them to screw it up and then lie about it to save their precious “face.”

  110. Mr. Anon says:
    @PiltdownMan

    In 2003, the Institute for Scientific Information stated that from 1983 to 2002, “Fauci was the 13th most-cited scientist among the 2.5 to 3 million authors in all disciplines throughout the world who published articles in scientific journals”

    He’s a manager at a large government laboratory. He probably adds his name to other people’s papers. It happens all the time.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  111. Has the NYT ever heard of the Didier Raoult study? If they did, they apparently are not saying:

    https://www.google.com/search?biw=1088&bih=522&sxsrf=ALeKk03iUb1DwzOvfUPE1gunSseb6mwTIQ%3A1584894876887&ei=nJN3XqzcNcPp_QaNuIyoCA&q=didier+raoult+new+york+times&oq=didier+raoult+new+york+times&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i299l2.54589.57968..58132…0.0..0.143.1482.14j2……0….1..gws-wiz…….35i39j0i324j0i22i30j33i160j33i22i29i30.EpXB74TdrMY&ved=0ahUKEwismpLBwa7oAhXDdN8KHQ0cA4UQ4dUDCAs&uact=5

    Little or no mention in other MSM sources. “Fake news” doesn’t even describe this level of corruption.

  112. @MG

    This is a pretty interesting tweet because I think that it reveals a lot about the mindset of people like the highly distinguished Dr. Summers.

    They reflexively think that things that involve tapping words or numbers into a computer is cognitively difficult, and things that involve making real stuff in the physical world is easy. The reality is that they are both (sometimes) cognitively difficult, and (sometimes) cognitively easy. Broadly speaking, is one harder than the other? To be honest, having done both, I always felt more cognitively challenged making real physical stuff. Mostly I think they involve different talents: what I’ve heard termed spatial intelligence versus verbal intelligence, so they are hard to compare.

    Dr. Summers, I’m sure, would have dismissed something like toy manufacturing as ‘easy’ and something that is best outsourced so we could grow the finance industry or whatever. Now, Dr. Summers, if I gave you a block of steel and a CNC milling machine could you make me an injection mold for a teenage mutant ninja turtle? How about if I gave you a month? A year? I’m going to go out on a limb and say he wouldn’t be able to hold a job for very long.

    I mean it’s understandable, human nature, for people to think that they thing that they are good at is the important skill and the other stuff is trivial or easy. But reality is sorta smacking us in the face, here, isn’t it? Turns out that churning out academic BS is actually not that hard, but tool and die work kinda is.

    Maybe…do you think…that’s why Asian nations have aggressively tried to move that industry from us to them? Like, it was part of a plan? Because it sure seemed like intentional policy, and now they hold the whip hand.

    Do you think, Herr Professor Summers, that maybe you got outsmarted by the Chinese? Because if you’re not dumb…then you’re a traitor…either way it’s not a good look.

  113. Mr. Anon says:
    @JimDandy

    Why is Fauci being hailed as a great prophet of COVID-19? This was Fauci just last month:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/02/17/nih-disease-official-anthony-fauci-risk-of-coronavirus-in-u-s-is-minuscule-skip-mask-and-wash-hands/4787209002/

    “Short of that, Fauci says skip the masks unless you are contagious, don’t worry about catching anything from Chinese products and certainly don’t avoid Chinese people or restaurants.”

    “Fauci recalled how a nurse who was infected with Ebola took a flight to Ohio because she was asymptomatic and not at risk of infecting anyone. People everywhere suddenly thought all planes were unsafe.

    “I was getting calls from people in Sacramento saying, ‘Can I get on an airplane to go to Seattle?’” Fauci said. “Like, what? What does that got to do with anything?””

    Maybe they were concerned because they have no idea where that plane just came from. If the presence of one infected person in a plane, building, etc. is of such little concern, why are people now being quarantined if so much as one person who worked in the same building tests positive – a precautionary regime that presumably Fauci is cool with.

    The only people who need masks are those who are already infected to keep from exposing others. The masks sold at drugstores aren’t even good enough to truly protect anyone, Fauci said.

    “If you look at the masks that you buy in a drug store, the leakage around that doesn’t really do much to protect you,” he said. “People start saying, ‘Should I start wearing a mask?’ Now, in the United States, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask.”

    Fauci doesn’t want people to worry about coronavirus, the danger of which is “just minuscule.” But he does want them to take precautions against the “influenza outbreak, which is having its second wave.”

    “We have more kids dying of flu this year at this time than in the last decade or more,” he said. “At the same time people are worrying about going to a Chinese restaurant. The threat is (we have) a pretty bad influenza season, particularly dangerous for our children.”

    Fauci offered advice for people who want to protect against the “real and present danger” of seasonal flu, which also would protect against the hypothetical danger of coronavirus.

    “Wash your hands as frequently as you can. Stay away from crowded places where people are coughing and sneezing. If in fact you are coughing and sneezing, cover your mouth,” he says.

    “You know, all the things that we say each year.”

    This was what Fauci was saying on February 17th of this year.

    • Agree: JimDandy
  114. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    You are a contemptible ass. Go cower in a closet somewhere, moron.

    • Troll: Corvinus
  115. @Enochian

    I had more of a question than an opinion – if all this radically changes the political outlook of society, what are those changes likely to be?

    The whole notion of free market capitalism providing public services like air travel and health care for profit will come under question if there have to be government financed bailouts, especially the idea that excess profits can be blown on share buybacks rather than building a strong cash, low credit position that can withstand periodic economic storms.

    Since corporations like Apple, Alphabet, Microsoft, and Berkshire Hathaway have vast reserves of cash, they will not need bailouts and the wise virgins who are their investors will be at a disadvantage to the foolish virgins who burned all their lamp oil in the good times and kept nothing back, but got bailed out anyway.

    The whole notion of credit financing also comes into question. Consider that Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort needs a bailout (not saying it does, but let’s just suppose). The reason would be that this and other hotels are heavily leveraged with borrowed money, and that if they default, it will be the banks that will need a bailout.

    So the bottom line is that all bailouts are necessary to save banks that overextended themselves with promiscuous lending and overvaluation of assets.

    Of course resorts and hotels should have to have mortgage insurance that pay off if they fail to make payments, but then you would need to bail out the insurance companies, so really there is no end to it.

    I think this will also be a tremendous blow to the belief that if you invest your retirement funds in the stock market, your money will grow exponentially over the years. Not saying that it will be an end to the belief altogether, but it may take years to recover and those who are currently close to retirement may have their expectations dashed, if, as I expect, the stock market falls a fair bit from here and takes much, much longer–perhaps years– to recover than it took to fall.

    Right now there is a shortage of bread, of all things, in the stores in my town. How difficult is it to bake something as basic as bread to meet increased demand for sandwiches when the restaurants are closed?

    We have a strategic national reserve of oil in salt caverns along the coast of the Gulf of Mexico. Maybe we also need a strategic national toilet paper reserve,and a frozen bread reserve in Alaska, and a canned milk reserve and a vitamin pills reserve.

    It is a good thing we do not have a nuclear war going on, though, because I could see severe disruption to toilet paper supplies and sunscreen, but as John Maynard Keynes said “in the long run we are all dead anyway.”

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  116. Don’t look now kids, but the Fed Death Star is going fully operational to levitate equity prices to infinity and drive the US dollar to zero:

    Mnuchin: Fed To Make $4 Trillion In Business Loans, Send $3,000 Checks To Family Of Four

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mnuchin-fed-make-4-trillion-business-loans-send-3000-checks-family-four

    Totally agree with the other folks that believe the ‘cure’ is going to be far worse than the virus.

  117. @Whiskey

    So ordinary people can’t get a drink, are stuck at home, broke, with the power turned off eventually and with no food. Who are they going to be angry at?

    The guys that put them in Cellblock H. H for Home. Thats the mayor and Governor. Who are having a grand time preening for the cameras but can’t think ahead.

    The elite seem to believe that they can kick back in their mountain bunkers, on the private islands, or in New Zealand and just watch everyone else kill each other in 4K, possibly Full HD if the connection gets wonky.

    I’m not sure that scenario won’t happen. People looking to lash out are going to start with those nearest to them, even if those folks are only a half-rung above them on the ladder.

  118. Anon[167] • Disclaimer says:
    @wren

    Once this virus threat dies down geo-politics will get extremely interesting.

    If the NYT can enforce a cultural mandate to be nice to Blacks in spite of the inter-racial murder rate, and can convince millions of US Germans to go and kill their close cousins in Germany on behalf of Jews, then unfortunately COVID-19 won’t pose a problem for the “media’s” easy enforcement of prior geopolitical agendas.

    • Agree: Charon
  119. 1. Airlines
    a. To become flying rapid response stations getting
    b. To send patients away from overwhelmed localities
    c. Any leftover capacity used to deport illegals rapidly

    2. Cruise Ships to become floating quarantine units or floating hospitals

    4. Restaurants make microwavable to-go meals per spec

    5. Outside sales of goods (sell in parking lot on weather allowing days and locations)

    4. Mortgage Holiday for all (with some kind of pass down for renters)

  120. Since everyone considers masks to be a strategic commodity necessary for the maintenance of American civilization, why not simply purchase a couple of the machines and install them at a national munitions facility? You can run the factory every once in while to ensure viability of the machines, upgrade, determine if current raw feed stock is available and usable. You could give away the output for foreign aid in times of medical troubles if need be.

    • Replies: @epebble
  121. @Achmed E. Newman

    I knew a woman manager at my old job site who upon hearing about the minimum wage going up in Chicago thought it was great, especially for fast food workers.

    Then she thought for a moment, and said, that means the McDonalds prices are going to raise.

    Connected 2+2 = 4.

    • Replies: @epebble
    , @Rob
  122. Corporate coup inbound as corps line up to feast on bailouts:

    “Stop The Coronavirus Corporate Coup”: Here Is A List Of Everyone Demanding A Bail Out

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stop-coronavirus-corporate-coup-here-list-everyone-demanding-bail-out

    They already wrote a song about this:

    Here’s the HBO prestige version:

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  123. Testing12 says:
    @anon

    1) who said blood type targeting was part of the design?

    2) who said the US deep state elite cares about the US population?

  124. It’s US biowarfare, aimed at China and Iran.

    It’s bad in Northern Italy and Korea because of all the sweatshop Chinese there.

    This doesn’t mean it’s China’s fault. It’s the US’s fault.

    Think about it. China and Iran. How could it not be the US.

    What, are you suddenly all patriots now? How quaint in view of the circumstances.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @bomag
  125. @Jonathan Mason

    Wait till you hear the Assholes wailing about how dare you impugn the free market. They don’t even know what the free market is (nothing, that’s what it is), but they defend it’s honor, like they had skin in the game, which they don’t. It’s sad.

    • Agree: BB753
    • LOL: bomag
  126. @A123

    Sorry but you are just plain wrong. It might not be an attack. It might be an accident. You know, of course, that Americans are schlemiel boobs who can’t tie their shoes without tying them together. But it is definitely American in origin. Better read this before Facebook censors it:
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/947867908642430/permalink/2855048134591055/

    • Replies: @Che Blutarsky
    , @Anonymous
  127. Anon[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    The people stocking your groceries should make three times what they are paid. They should make $60 an hour instead of $20.

    That’s not how a skilled economy works, has ever worked, nor how it ever will work. Statements and false perceptions such as yours are why we are in mortal danger. They breed lethal class revolutions built on false, unworkable premises that immoral groups exploit for power.

    He does not make enough to support a family, so his wife works too.
    I’m not buying it that the law of supply and demand sets the right wage, and whatever you make is what you should make. I’m not buying it that merit rises to the top and people on bottom make low wages because they lack merit, or marketable skills, or whatever.

    You’re “not buying” supply and demand? What does that even mean? Do you also “not buy” gravity? Supply and demand’s effect on pricing is foundational.

    John has been working the graveyard shift at the same store for over 20 years. He was always a hard, fast worker and still is. The amount of freght they are getting night after night is huge and it is obviously wearing them down. John looked a lot older than the last time I saw him.
    John has raised his kids while working the graveyard shift. His family has never had a normal life with dad home at normal hours.
    He does not make enough to support a family, so his wife works too.

    It is clear that your opinion on worker pay is emotional and founded on pure empathy. Which reduces its value to a minimum.

    John is lucky to make $20 for an unskilled job, in spite of how physical the work is.

    The economy has to have a tiered income hierarchy because otherwise no one would train to do the difficult and time-consuming to learn jobs like those in the medical profession, aviation, engineering, etc.

    To illustrate: If nurses and shelvers each made $60 per hour, then why would future nurses give up years of the same pay to learn nursing? Why would they take on the greater risk of infection, professional liability, job related emotional stress, and everything else that comes with the performance of the work over that of simply stocking shelves? They wouldn’t. Repeat for any higher skill profession.

    You can’t bump John’s pay to $60 without bumping nursing pay by a similar percentage. And since all pricing is essentially an auction (set by what people can and are willing to pay), as soon as you scale all salaries by the same amount the money is worth exactly what it was before you did that. John’s $60 per hour is worth exactly the same as his prior $20 per hour.

    I feel for John as well, but his life path was not responsible enough. He either should have forwent a family or trained to be in a higher skill profession. His failure to adhere to one of those two options does not mandate that we upend the economy.

    John could at least move out of Seattle and stock shelves where rent is more sane. Doing so would also have the effect of reducing the local labor supply for shelf stockers, putting upward pressure on their salaries.

  128. SFG says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    When I read that, I thought Cowen seemed pretty happy with the death of the progressive left. I could be wrong. Certainly as a libertarian economist he’s against redistribution.

    I don’t think it’s dead, either. I do think open borders took a huge hit.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  129. epebble says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    We seem to get E-Coli, Salmonella, Cryptosporidium etc., attacks fairly regularly. How difficult is it for us to get a domestic Corona virus epidemic? (Corona viruses are very common). This pandemic is shining light on weaknesses in the ability of nations in handling mass infectious disease breakouts. This time, it was bats in China. Next time, it can be pigs in Iowa, cows in Wisconsin, Chicken in Arkansas, Shell fish in Louisiana, Lobster in Maine …. or even Lettuce or Spinach or Cantaloupe in California or Arizona.

  130. epebble says:
    @Joe Stalin

    And she has to cook her own food! Wow, what a tragedy!

  131. epebble says:
    @Joe Stalin

    Since everyone considers masks to be a strategic commodity necessary for the maintenance of American civilization

    I would argue that Toilet Paper is the fundamental document that defines modern American civilization.

    • LOL: Captain Tripps
  132. Anon[201] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    It’s US biowarfare, aimed at China and Iran.

    It’s bad in Northern Italy and Korea because of all the sweatshop Chinese there.

    This doesn’t mean it’s China’s fault. It’s the US’s fault.

    A virus that is documented to come from Chinese fauna and will kill an insubstantial number of Chinese is US biowarfare?

    Interesting take. Thanks.

    Just so you know, should Blacks ever invade Asia or Asians take over here they will bury your entire race in the woods. That’s how they roll.

    Are you suddenly all ChiCom now? How quaint in view of the circumstances.

  133. @SFG

    I haven’t read his material before, so perhaps I interpreted this wrong, SFG. I’m going just by

    I am not saying you have to welcome this change, only that it is likely.

    and

    Personally, when I see so many people mixing in large crowds for fun, only a week or two before the Covid-19 disaster is likely to strike and overwhelm hospitals, I despair. Will such people ever take climate change seriously?

    Dispair away, Tyler. I really hope most of your scenario comes true.

  134. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Damn, those Sopranos shows always make me hungry. I could use one of them calzones. Hey, Pauli, while you’re shakin’ down that pizza joint anyway …

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  135. Next time, it can be pigs in Iowa, cows in Wisconsin, Chicken in Arkansas, Shell fish in Louisiana, Lobster in Maine …. or even Lettuce or Spinach or Cantaloupe in California or Arizona.

    Industrial farming keeps the species at arms’ length and is not conducive to evolving weird pathogens that jump species. Feedlot Beef or Chicken won’t be what gets us.

    It’s the third world practice of living cheek by jowl with a menagerie of different animals that facilitates trans-species diseases. For example, pigs and ducks are supposedly an especially bad combination because ducks are a virus magnet while pigs have an ability to mutate viruses into a human-compatible form. So humans, ducks and pigs living in each others’ shit is not a great recipe.

    And eating weird animals just introduces new potentially lethal pathogens to the system. Millions of people died from AIDS because someone ate a Chimpanzee or Green Monkey that had Simian Immunodeficiency Virus (SIV).

    When it comes to sources of new viruses, diversity is not our strength.

  136. we’re about to pay 2 trillion dollars because some people in China ate bats.

    that’s the real takeaway here.

  137. Rob says:
    @Joe Stalin

    Is this true, though? First cut suggests that if McDonald’s could raise prices and make more money, they would have already. Maybe low income consumers would have more to spend on fast food, but no ta whole lot of workers actually make minimum wage, though low wage workers actual wages are tied to the minimum wage. Middle class incomes would be minimally affected, at least no one says they would be, so most of their customers would have the same price sensitivity they do now. Finally, if the cost of the wage increase would be merely passed on to consumers, and the return to capital unchanged, then why do large consumers of minimum wage labor fight so hard against min wage increases? The fact that they are not basically indifferent suggests the increased cost would manifest as lower returns to capital.

  138. @ThreeCranes

    Right you are, 3-Cranes. Try doing work on modern autos, as a friend of mine does. It takes a lot of detailed knowledge, and you can’t stop thinking or things go wrong quickly or you waste a lot of time (your own money).

    On the Japanese, their smartest thing is to get people who’ve worked on the floor to be the higher-ups. You can’t start as CEO at an auto company by coming over from another industry, knowing squat-all about what the people do and make.

  139. Anonymous[544] • Disclaimer says:
    @ThreeCranes

    People working around dangerous machinery have low tolerance for stupidity. Idiots are quickly removed from the workplace one way or another.

  140. Andrew Yang should have said his $1000 handout would be taxable income to calm down those who prefer means-testing.  In California, state tax plus federal tax runs about 45% for upper brackets.

  141. Mike says: • Website
    @Bill

    Thanks for helping with the clarity Bill. I was referring to The Narrative.

    There are a lot of retards.

  142. @interesting

    NOT mocking the stock dude one bit, fact is, unless you have a state, city, or other government job your wages have gone no where for 25 mother fucking years.

    I would just add that all the gov’t personnel also have gold-plated health benefits, and many of them have gold-plated pensions as well.

    Everyone else has seen health premiums rise and benefits decline. Pensions outside gov’t jobs are about as rare as hen’s teeth these days.

    People should be angry, but it is critical that anger is channeled in the correct direction.

  143. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Digital Samizdat

    Somebody high up there really wants a total lock-down over all of Western civilization. The real agenda goes far, far beyond some silly flu-like virus.

    There’s not necessarily any agenda at work. Politicians are in full-on panic mode. They’re terrified that if they’re not seen as doing something they can kiss their political careers goodbye. They have no idea what to do but they’re determined to do something. And the safest thing to do is to do what every other politician and every other government is doing. And if the media is creating hysteria then the safest thing to do is also to do what hysterical media talking heads think should be done.

    It’s not necessarily a conspiracy. Just plain old-fashioned political cynicism and cowardice.

  144. @Achmed E. Newman

    Food, and the culture surrounding it were an important part of the Sopranos milieu:

    https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=food+on+the+sopranos&ia=videos

  145. Charon says:
    @Aristotle's Homeboy

    How many times do you need to be told about the existence of asymptomatic carriers? At what point, if any, will it ever start to soak in to your brain?

    About Singapore? People in Singapore are smarter than you. I’m beginning to think that people in Burkina Faso are smarter than you.

  146. @obwandiyag

    After reading the link I’m convinced. I’m convinced that anyone who swallows this story whole should be institutionalized for their own well-being.

  147. Lugash says:

    Most importantly:

    We need to bring drugs, PPE, medical device manufacturing back to the United States. This is going to be a multi-decade effort. Tariffs, tax incentives or outright nationalizing the manufacturers. On the last one, that might be particularly true for companies that are American but do most of their manufacturing in the US.

    Other thoughts:

    Taiwan and the South Koreans have had two of the best responses, yet we essentially guarantee their military security.

  148. @Ben Keyes

    Tiny Duck by another name, you should really try to improve your punctuality. People would take you much more seriously then.

  149. @Anonymous

    The coronavirus pandemic is creating a new world. Economics and politics will be noticeably different when it is over. We just don’t know what the new world will be yet. Everyone knows it because they can feel it.

    I’m not feeling it.

    • Replies: @epebble
  150. epebble says:
    @ben tillman

    You will definitely feel it. U.S. has become a largely service based economy. A 25% reduction (say, likely to be larger) in service GDP will have a dramatic impact on unemployment, finances, social order, politics, entertainment etc., If the shutdown continues for 6 months, most people will not be able to afford anything beyond basic necessities. The transformation from an affluent looking to subsistence looking economy will be very noticeable. Just the hiccup in import pipeline is going to create the empty store shelves and shortage mindset that only a few people remember from reading about Soviet Union (and WW2 before that).

  151. @Steve Sailer

    I don’t recall ever hearing of Carl Schmitt until this century. I really have no idea about him.

    The slave of some defunct political-economist?

  152. bomag says:
    @obwandiyag

    It’s US biowarfare, aimed at China and Iran.

    Nah; US bioware is full bore involved in dispossessing White people; resulting in their share of the population and influence decreasing, while most other groups are realizing increase.

    Birth control pills; opioids; puberty blockers and other hormonal disruption; etc.

    Please pay more attention.

  153. Anonymous[544] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    There’s a gap in the chronology. The Americans were there in late October but the disease was only detected in late December. What happened in the missing month? Was the CCP covering up the epidemic? Given how fast this disease spreads its implausible that it passed unnoticed for a month.

  154. @interesting

    Where is the push back? Why are we going along so easily?

    1. Most people are not medical professionals, so they take whatever information they receive through media, Facebook, their friends as gospel.

    2. US is a very conformist society, and those who step out of line will lose their jobs and/or credit ratings.

    3. When the push back comes, it will be inchoate and it will be criminal elements at the core, just like the summer riots of the past that have been triggered by almost random and seemingly insignificant events.

    4. The resistance movement has no real leaders. Actually Ron Paul has spoken out in a perfectly coherent video that is linked somewhere in this discussion, but I guess the people who are speaking out are not getting the prime time media exposure.

    5. Mass media, as usual, fails to offer a full range of opinion. We have governors having fits because people are sitting outdoors in a park in groups, and no one wants to say they are nuts, because of the fear that encouraging people to disregard the quarantine laws could lead to increased spread of the disease.

    My own opinion. This is not a nothingburger. It is a bad type of flu, and although I am in fair health, I am at the edge of the target age group, and I hope very much that I don’t catch it. But my concern is that if this is how we respond to this bug, then the same will apply to every future seasonal flu bug.

    In the meantime, as Ron Paul pointed out, another lung disease, TB, is one of the top 10 causes of death worldwide. In 2017, 10 million people fell ill with TB, and 1.6 million died from the disease. In the US Alaska has the highest rate of TB.

  155. Louisiana’s Democratic governor today ordered the most oppressive lockdown of any state thus far. That means Oregon’s MeToo Democratic governor Kate Brown now has permission to emulate him – she will declare an identical lockdown this Monday. Bank.

    Oregon Resistance toolkit:
    Standard carpenter’s hammer
    Two-by-four lumber, circa 18 inches long
    Earplugs

    Insert earplugs. Rest the two-by-four behind any illegally-fastened lock with your nondominant hand. Holding the hammer in your dominant hand, strike downward upon hasp of lock until it breaks. A man of average strength can destroy a lock in three to four blows. Open the gate, let freedom ring. Remove earplugs.

    Remove all barriers from roadways.

    RESIST

  156. @Mr McKenna

    Tyler Cowen was saying something similar the other day:

    “The Coronavirus Killed the Progressive Left”
    https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/03/the-coronavirus-killed-the-progressive-left.html

    He doesn’t seem to know what the “progressive” Left is. And I could not disagree more with the claim as it relates to the actual “progressive” Left, whose primary focus is anti-white aggression.

  157. Tusk says:
    @BenKenobi

    Janitors better clean this up quick.

  158. vhrm says:

    The original UK plan (herd immunity) seems ultimately what’s going to happen anyway:

    a) Hong Kong has v. low numbers but as soon as they loosened things up a bit, numbers jumped again:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/asia/hong-kong-coronavirus-quarantine-intl-hnk/index.html

    b) In Bay Area CA we’ve been “shelter-in-place” for a week now. This is good for ‘preparation’, but it has also been a waste of hospital system capacity. At the current low level of hospitalized people, there’s a bunch of hospital beds and ICU beds and ventilators idling and doing nothing.

    “flattening the curve” means not exceeding hospital capacity. fine. But if the hospitals are sitting idle that’s bad to because it means we’ll have a very flat but extremely long *curve”. At this rate we’ll have to be under lockdown for years. (which of course is not going to happen).

    i don’t understand what the endgame is in the lockdowners model except hoping against hope that a vaccine or similar comes along to save us.

  159. res says:
    @Faraday's Bobcat

    If you look at the Odds Ratios (in particular the confidence intervals) the lower risk for type O is a bit more convincing.

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