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From Politico Europe:

The Austrian ski town that spread coronavirus across the Continent

By the time local officials realized the extent of the outbreak, the damage was done.

By MATTHEW KARNITSCHNIG 3/19/20

The lively après-ski scene that draws millions to Ischgl every winter proved to be a perfect incubator for coronavirus

A popular ditty among the Alpine party-set celebrates the Tyrolean village of Ischgl as a “white winter’s dream.” For recent visitors, the town has become something more akin to a prolonged nightmare.

The lively après-ski scene that draws millions to the town every winter proved to be a perfect incubator for coronavirus.

Skiing is one of the most coed sports, so it goes along with up close and personal socializing.

Authorities believe that busloads of European visitors departed the village known as the “Ibiza of the Alps” (and not in a good way) in late February, leaving with more than the usual mountain tan and hangover.

By the time Austrian officials realized the extent of the outbreak, the damage was done. Health authorities across Scandinavia have traced several hundred cases to Ischgl. On Tuesday, Norway said nearly 40 percent of the more than 1,400 infections in the country originated in Austria. National authorities believe hundreds of additional cases in both Austria and Germany are connected directly to Ischgl.

iSteve commenter Blah Blah Blah Blah writes:

Steve, I find your stigmatization of skiers to be problematic. This is not the time for skiphobia masquerading as concern over public health. ANYBODY can get coronavirus, not just skiers.

Indeed.

Seriously, I’ve been harping about “people who have gone skiing in 2020” being a high-risk category for infections not because I hate skiers (I was one a long time ago), but because knowledge is good.

For example, having gone skiing in February or March would be helpful in assessing whether to use a (still too rare) coronavirus test on a patient.

It would also be helpful to let people begin some longer range planning to get the word out there that Northern Hemisphere ski resorts will definitely not reopen in what’s left of the 2019-2020 ski season, and probably won’t open for the 2020-2021 ski, unless there is some very good news with the virus petering out. The ski industry needs to begin planning how to make their facilities safer.

At least in the United States, the ski business tends to be a high risk one because some winters it just doesn’t snow. So, hopefully, they have a little more reserves than many other industries that are being very hard hit.

The high rate of infections among skiers has implications for how, precisely, the virus is most often transmitted. I’m thinking that runny noses due to cold temperatures are a big problem. Maybe instead of blowing noses into a paper tissue, you should blow your nose into a disinfecting wipe?

To speed reopening the economy we need to rank activities from most risky to least risky: e.g., from dropping by your local wet mart for some fresh bat-and-pangolin stir fry to, say, flagpole-sitting. Sadly, it looks like skiing will be, for awhile, at the most risky end, but other activities are not.

 
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  1. White people must apologize immediately for the violence visited upon Chinese people by black people!
    https://www.254news.live/suspected-chinese-with-covid-19-stoned-to-death-in-nyali-mombasa-after-she-failed-to-go-to-hospital/
    A 32 year old chinese female has been stoned to death by residents in Nyali Mombasa after she was suspected to have signs of covid 19 virus and failed to go to hospital for testing
    The Chinese is said to have chipped in a supermarket to buy daily necessities where the supermarket attendants noticed that she was having signs of the virus
    The supermarket attendants said that the female victim was coughing ,and was also having some difficulty with breathing .This is when one of the attendants who noticed the signs,signalled the other attendants which later raised the alarm.
    The supermarket atendants are said to have escaped and shouted that their was a Chinese with signs of the deadly virus
    The Chinese refused the accusations saying that she was not positive for the virus and that she would not attend any health facility for further testing
    The Nyali residents are said to have been angered by the utterance from the 32 year old Chinese and stoned her to death

    • Replies: @bomag
    @J.Ross

    "Africa wins again."

    , @Redneck farmer
    @J.Ross

    Be really interesting if the Chinese start shelling the place.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Neoconned
    @J.Ross

    Note to self: stay out of Africa....

    Anyway....cold air scars lung tissue....making you more susceptible to various types of infection....

    , @Jamie12
    @J.Ross

    Looks like fake news. Picture is from an islamist terror attack in a kenyan mall.

    https://www.indiatoday.in/india/north/story/kenya-mall-attack-nairobi-mall-shooting-somali-islamist-group-westgate-shopping-centre-somali-islamist-militant-group-al-shabaab-al-qaeda-nairobi-211934-2013-09-22

    , @but an humble craftsman
    @J.Ross

    Seems two italian men were pushed from the Mombasa ferry for the crime of coughing.

    Very interesting journal, even if you get spammed a fair bit.

  2. hydrochloroquine

    Steve — apparantly chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine has become the standard treatment in China. It is an old malaria treatment and glory be it works. I know you mentioned it some posts back but this seems to be head and shoulders above the rest. Whereas other treatments are very hard to come by and of uncertain effect, this one is widely available for pennies to a few dollars a dose.

    Humidity is still okay but I found a new girl now. I still love humidity for this but this new girl (she’s actually 73 years old, but she’s still got it) is the hotness.

    As a thinker I greatly respect once said, we should crush the curve like China has done.

    Well how did they do it? It appears chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine became the standard treatment in China one month ago.

    Begin translation from Chinese using Google of this –>
    http://rs.yiigle.com/yufabiao/1182323.htm
    —-
    Expert consensus on chloroquine phosphate for new coronavirus pneumonia
    February 20, 2020

    Multi-center Collaboration Group of Guangdong Provincial Department of Science and Technology and Guangdong Provincial Health and Health Committee

    “For patients with pneumonia of mild, common and severe, after chloroquine contraindications are ruled out, chloroquine phosphate tablets can be used 500 mg each time, twice daily for 10 days.”
    —–
    End translation

    We thought China did it all with social distancing. It turns out it was this that killed Corona, it seems!

    There are a number of new papers now on this but by far the best is:

    “Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine as available weapons to fight COVID-19”
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300820

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @DanHessinMD

    Thanks. Here is something to look into: "Quinism" -- is it a Real Thing caused by anti-malaria drugs like Chloroquine or is it some kind of grift to get on disability?

    https://quinism.org/press-releases/dangers-of-antimalarial-quinolines-against-covid-19/
    https://www.unz.com/wp-admin/edit-comments.php?comment_status=moderated#comments-form

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Lugash, @Lagertha

  3. Maybe instead of blowing noses into a paper tissue, you should blow your nose into a disinfecting wipe?

    Probably a disinfecting wipe would irritate mucous membranes, thereby increasing likelihood of infection. Sort of like replacing your breath spray with Lysol.

  4. Yes, but blonde thotties and hardcore techno!:

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Makes me wanna grab a St. Pauli Girl and give her my Corona.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @El Dato
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Every day we stray further from skiing.

  5. The lively après-ski scene that draws millions to Ischgl

    What would Ish Kabibble have to say about the Ischgl Babel?

  6. “Coed”? Are you writing from The Past?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Anon

    “Coed”? Are you writing from The Past?

    It's a Boomer thing; you wouldn't understand.

  7. @J.Ross
    White people must apologize immediately for the violence visited upon Chinese people by black people!
    https://www.254news.live/suspected-chinese-with-covid-19-stoned-to-death-in-nyali-mombasa-after-she-failed-to-go-to-hospital/
    A 32 year old chinese female has been stoned to death by residents in Nyali Mombasa after she was suspected to have signs of covid 19 virus and failed to go to hospital for testing
    The Chinese is said to have chipped in a supermarket to buy daily necessities where the supermarket attendants noticed that she was having signs of the virus
    The supermarket attendants said that the female victim was coughing ,and was also having some difficulty with breathing .This is when one of the attendants who noticed the signs,signalled the other attendants which later raised the alarm.
    The supermarket atendants are said to have escaped and shouted that their was a Chinese with signs of the deadly virus
    The Chinese refused the accusations saying that she was not positive for the virus and that she would not attend any health facility for further testing
    The Nyali residents are said to have been angered by the utterance from the 32 year old Chinese and stoned her to death

    Replies: @bomag, @Redneck farmer, @Neoconned, @Jamie12, @but an humble craftsman

    “Africa wins again.”

  8. Headline from Africa media

    Africa discovers rapid effective way to stop spread of Coronavirus.

    Headline from US media

    Hate speech is violence: Trump’s racist virus terminology kills minority woman in country whose refugees he has barred entry.

  9. “Ibiza of the Alps”

    Ah, so, for the rich is it their AIDS: you catch it from a wild time of partying, drugs, and casual sex?

    If you’re going to leave the slopes permanently, then I guess better to go this way than Sony Bono’s.

    Should it be renamed the apre-ski flu for global-elite ski-bums, with just the proles and plebs getting Coronavirus?

  10. Anonymous[368] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve: you have also remarked how skiing, like numerous other pastimes, used to be a more middle-class sport; but by dint of mutually assured status-competition, has become ever more conspicuous and luxurious, like fishing (as wine-tasting and yoga traveled the opposite market vector). Can we start profiling these rich jet-setting jerks on grounds of decreasing the likelihood for asymptomatic globalized pandemic? Perhaps appealing directly to the modern secular twin-gods of Science-medicine/The Economy, the better to excoriate their decadent behavior & morals, will succeed to contain the public cost where mere citizenism had failed

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    If it had arrived in Europe a few weeks earlier, it would have been the Davos Conference at the center.

    I think this Austrian town is more mass market than, say, Gstaad.

    Replies: @JMcG

  11. Interesting. So two major factors in spreading an virus worldwide.

    Don’t ski.

    Don’t eat bats (especially in China).

    Skiing and Chinese. Who would’ve thought that seemingly incongruent factors have so much in common when it comes to spreading the Wuhan virus?

  12. Once Again, the Skier Menace

    Steve, don’t blame the skiers: It’s the slopes.

    • LOL: JMcG
    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Clever!

    , @Andrew M
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Tragic snow?

    , @eastkekiisawhiteguy
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    DELETED DELETEDDELETEDDELETEDDELETEDDELETEDDELETEDDELETEDDELETEDDELETEDDELETED.

  13. Steve, I find your stigmatization of skiers to be problematic. This is not the time for skiphobia masquerading as concern over public health. ANYBODY can get coronavirus, not just skiers.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @blah blah blah blah

    Steve is a self-hating Skier who is promoting conspiracy theories that will soon cause a sharp rise in anti-Skierism.

    We Skiers have historically been the focus of envy and hate from the clumsy and less athletic in every country we have ever built lifts in.

    Hey, did you know we eat golfers' children after a day on the slopes? Yep, we roast one in the fireplace at the lodge. Great tradition.

    Replies: @El Dato

  14. Women who ski have something in common with women who jog: really nice asses. That tail, that moneymaker, doesn’t get any better than what you see on the resort chairlift or sidewalks of the best neighborhoods in the USA. Best asses eva

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @trelane

    Great asses are something of a thing of the past. What modern actress or female pop singer has a really fine ass anymore? I can’t think of any, it’s either ghetto booty or boys town back there. The girl in Paramore, but she has no tits and too many tats.

  15. @J.Ross
    White people must apologize immediately for the violence visited upon Chinese people by black people!
    https://www.254news.live/suspected-chinese-with-covid-19-stoned-to-death-in-nyali-mombasa-after-she-failed-to-go-to-hospital/
    A 32 year old chinese female has been stoned to death by residents in Nyali Mombasa after she was suspected to have signs of covid 19 virus and failed to go to hospital for testing
    The Chinese is said to have chipped in a supermarket to buy daily necessities where the supermarket attendants noticed that she was having signs of the virus
    The supermarket attendants said that the female victim was coughing ,and was also having some difficulty with breathing .This is when one of the attendants who noticed the signs,signalled the other attendants which later raised the alarm.
    The supermarket atendants are said to have escaped and shouted that their was a Chinese with signs of the deadly virus
    The Chinese refused the accusations saying that she was not positive for the virus and that she would not attend any health facility for further testing
    The Nyali residents are said to have been angered by the utterance from the 32 year old Chinese and stoned her to death

    Replies: @bomag, @Redneck farmer, @Neoconned, @Jamie12, @but an humble craftsman

    Be really interesting if the Chinese start shelling the place.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Redneck farmer

    No, what'll be interesting is if the Mombasans start dropping dead from a new illness tailored to their genetic profile.

  16. There probably won’t be ski resorts and facilities in 2021

  17. O.J. Simpson is definitely Team Golf.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Clifford brown

    OMG! Hahahahahahaaaa. Even if I find OJ despicable (a murderous, sociopathic monster), I find his wearing a mask kinda' strangely, endearing. It's like he is a monster who is virtue-signaling in his practical, nice-guy sweater and all....to convince us he is rehabilitated and, creepily, taking Covid seriously? I mean, he cut the throats of his wife & her friend yet he protects himself from Covid?!

    , @MEH 0910
    @Clifford brown

    https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1240529197292032001

    , @Dan Hayes
    @Clifford brown

    Now I can understand why the LA cops liked OJ before (and maybe even after?) his marital unpleasantries!

  18. Those skiers must be really piste-off.

  19. @Redneck farmer
    @J.Ross

    Be really interesting if the Chinese start shelling the place.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    No, what’ll be interesting is if the Mombasans start dropping dead from a new illness tailored to their genetic profile.

  20. Curious that two activities that put middle aged men in close proximity to very fit, very shapely, young ladies, skiing and gym training, are two of the worst for the transmission of these viruses.

    When the Gods send you a message, they don’t mess around!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Farenheit


    Curious that two activities that put middle aged men in close proximity to very fit, very shapely, young ladies, skiing and gym training, are two of the worst for the transmission of these viruses.
     
    Well, at least Harvey is safely isolated.

    Unless he cucks his new cellmate, Mark David Chapman.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/us/harvey-weinstein-new-york-prison/index.html
  21. @Anonymous
    Steve: you have also remarked how skiing, like numerous other pastimes, used to be a more middle-class sport; but by dint of mutually assured status-competition, has become ever more conspicuous and luxurious, like fishing (as wine-tasting and yoga traveled the opposite market vector). Can we start profiling these rich jet-setting jerks on grounds of decreasing the likelihood for asymptomatic globalized pandemic? Perhaps appealing directly to the modern secular twin-gods of Science-medicine/The Economy, the better to excoriate their decadent behavior & morals, will succeed to contain the public cost where mere citizenism had failed

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    If it had arrived in Europe a few weeks earlier, it would have been the Davos Conference at the center.

    I think this Austrian town is more mass market than, say, Gstaad.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Steve Sailer

    Missed it by “that” much!

  22. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    If it had arrived in Europe a few weeks earlier, it would have been the Davos Conference at the center.

    I think this Austrian town is more mass market than, say, Gstaad.

    Replies: @JMcG

    Missed it by “that” much!

  23. @Farenheit
    Curious that two activities that put middle aged men in close proximity to very fit, very shapely, young ladies, skiing and gym training, are two of the worst for the transmission of these viruses.

    When the Gods send you a message, they don't mess around!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Curious that two activities that put middle aged men in close proximity to very fit, very shapely, young ladies, skiing and gym training, are two of the worst for the transmission of these viruses.

    Well, at least Harvey is safely isolated.

    Unless he cucks his new cellmate, Mark David Chapman.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/us/harvey-weinstein-new-york-prison/index.html

  24. @DanHessinMD
    hydrochloroquine

    Steve -- apparantly chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine has become the standard treatment in China. It is an old malaria treatment and glory be it works. I know you mentioned it some posts back but this seems to be head and shoulders above the rest. Whereas other treatments are very hard to come by and of uncertain effect, this one is widely available for pennies to a few dollars a dose.

    Humidity is still okay but I found a new girl now. I still love humidity for this but this new girl (she's actually 73 years old, but she's still got it) is the hotness.

    As a thinker I greatly respect once said, we should crush the curve like China has done.

    Well how did they do it? It appears chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine became the standard treatment in China one month ago.

    Begin translation from Chinese using Google of this -->
    http://rs.yiigle.com/yufabiao/1182323.htm
    ----
    Expert consensus on chloroquine phosphate for new coronavirus pneumonia
    February 20, 2020

    Multi-center Collaboration Group of Guangdong Provincial Department of Science and Technology and Guangdong Provincial Health and Health Committee

    “For patients with pneumonia of mild, common and severe, after chloroquine contraindications are ruled out, chloroquine phosphate tablets can be used 500 mg each time, twice daily for 10 days.”
    -----
    End translation

    We thought China did it all with social distancing. It turns out it was this that killed Corona, it seems!

    There are a number of new papers now on this but by far the best is:

    "Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine as available weapons to fight COVID-19"
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300820

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks. Here is something to look into: “Quinism” — is it a Real Thing caused by anti-malaria drugs like Chloroquine or is it some kind of grift to get on disability?

    https://quinism.org/press-releases/dangers-of-antimalarial-quinolines-against-covid-19/
    https://www.unz.com/wp-admin/edit-comments.php?comment_status=moderated#comments-form

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Steve Sailer

    Does this mean that having a gin & tonic or two could cure Coronavirus?

    , @Lugash
    @Steve Sailer

    Robert Bales, the soldier who massacared a bunch of Afghanis blamed anti-malarial drugs for what he did. He had also started taking steroids three weeks before the massacare.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Lagertha
    @Steve Sailer

    I also heard that Choloroquine is the way to go, and fast. Gavin Effincreepy Newsome, that callow, sinister monster, has shut down CA!

    We can't wait for bad people to be rioting in the streets and breaking into peoples' homes. Or, on the other hand, direct them to the homes of Newsome, Pelosi, SV moguls first. Let them go into the gated communities and rich neighborhoods first! And, after the way Democrats have disparaged cops, not so sure rich people are safe anymore, even if they have personal body guards if the cops don't come as back-up!

    A while back, one of my friends, a firewoman (with a cop husband) said "when stuff happens, that's when you call them and want them/show respect to them...and, what happens to you and yours if they don't come?" Most cops in my area are retiring to NH (if they must stay in NE due to family) & the South - and, many are leaving from even sleepy towns. The Eastern Seaboard from VA to Maine is anathema now, for cops. Many have taken jobs in TN, AL, WV (!), NC, SC rather than stay North. CA already, btw, has trouble retaining cops and firefighters, not to mention carpenters who can actually build.

  25. Ischgl’s state’s coat of arms kind of resembles the virus.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Reg Cæsar

    Like you, the Simpsons are always ahead of their time.

    https://youtu.be/XZJtY02ol4c

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  26. Anonymous[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @trelane
    Women who ski have something in common with women who jog: really nice asses. That tail, that moneymaker, doesn't get any better than what you see on the resort chairlift or sidewalks of the best neighborhoods in the USA. Best asses eva

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Great asses are something of a thing of the past. What modern actress or female pop singer has a really fine ass anymore? I can’t think of any, it’s either ghetto booty or boys town back there. The girl in Paramore, but she has no tits and too many tats.

  27. Panda Express picked a hell of a time to put pangolin potstickers on the menu.

  28. @Steve Sailer
    @DanHessinMD

    Thanks. Here is something to look into: "Quinism" -- is it a Real Thing caused by anti-malaria drugs like Chloroquine or is it some kind of grift to get on disability?

    https://quinism.org/press-releases/dangers-of-antimalarial-quinolines-against-covid-19/
    https://www.unz.com/wp-admin/edit-comments.php?comment_status=moderated#comments-form

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Lugash, @Lagertha

    Does this mean that having a gin & tonic or two could cure Coronavirus?

  29. @Anon
    "Coed"? Are you writing from The Past?

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    “Coed”? Are you writing from The Past?

    It’s a Boomer thing; you wouldn’t understand.

  30. @Steve Sailer
    @DanHessinMD

    Thanks. Here is something to look into: "Quinism" -- is it a Real Thing caused by anti-malaria drugs like Chloroquine or is it some kind of grift to get on disability?

    https://quinism.org/press-releases/dangers-of-antimalarial-quinolines-against-covid-19/
    https://www.unz.com/wp-admin/edit-comments.php?comment_status=moderated#comments-form

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Lugash, @Lagertha

    Robert Bales, the soldier who massacared a bunch of Afghanis blamed anti-malarial drugs for what he did. He had also started taking steroids three weeks before the massacare.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Lugash

    The lawyers for Congressman Ed Mezvinsky (Chelsea Clinton's FIL - will Sasha and Malia marry Jewish guys too?) who was taken in by Nigerian fraudsters (and in turn defrauded his investors) said that anti-malarials had affected his judgment. The court didn't buy it and he spend 5 years in the pen.

  31. @Lugash
    @Steve Sailer

    Robert Bales, the soldier who massacared a bunch of Afghanis blamed anti-malarial drugs for what he did. He had also started taking steroids three weeks before the massacare.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The lawyers for Congressman Ed Mezvinsky (Chelsea Clinton’s FIL – will Sasha and Malia marry Jewish guys too?) who was taken in by Nigerian fraudsters (and in turn defrauded his investors) said that anti-malarials had affected his judgment. The court didn’t buy it and he spend 5 years in the pen.

  32. Nice thing about skiing wrt epidemic control is that everyone at ski resorts is funneled in through a limited number of entry points. (Of course, it’s possible to sneak in, but only the Chads do that).

    We are now seeing multiple companies developing what they claim to be 15 minute COVID-19 test kits.

    Test everyone coming in. Wait for 15 mins. If all clear, continue in, “Corona pass” valid for two weeks. Comes with a complimentary cold one in honor of Our Lady.

    ***

    Reprinting my comment on the previous skiing vs. golfing piece, which was posted a day late and so unseen by most commenters:

    Enthusiastic skier chiming in.

    My guess is that skiers stay at densely packed chalets to save on costs (and to party). This especially applies to college students without much means.

    You also need to stay close to people on the ski lifts (both in the air and in queues to them). The restaurants/cafes at ski resorts are often jam-packed and full of heavily sweating people.

    I never played golf, but it strikes me as something that most people just drive to in a single day and where they don’t spend much time very close together.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Have you ever actually gone skiing?

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Seriously. You are wrong on every point.

    1. “ everyone at ski resorts is funneled in through a limited number of entry points” are you talking about the lifts? Anyone can walk into a bar in the village, there is no control point

    2. “ My guess is that skiers stay at densely packed chalets to save on costs“ if you are talking about most skiers - no, they don’t. Some rent family apartments. Many people actually live near ski areas and just drive from their own homes.

    3. “ You also need to stay close to people on the ski lift“. Not that close. You are wearing generally lots of clothing as well, most likely a helmet, goggles, and often a mask or bandana. You have to be a weird perv to get exposed to a stranger’s breath on an open air chair lift.

    4. “The restaurants/cafes at ski resorts are often jam-packed and full of heavily sweating people.” No worse than any restaurant, and in Europe a lot of people sit outside.

    Compared to playing basketball in a gym, rugby or even soccer, skiing as an activity would appear pretty safe.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  33. @J.Ross
    White people must apologize immediately for the violence visited upon Chinese people by black people!
    https://www.254news.live/suspected-chinese-with-covid-19-stoned-to-death-in-nyali-mombasa-after-she-failed-to-go-to-hospital/
    A 32 year old chinese female has been stoned to death by residents in Nyali Mombasa after she was suspected to have signs of covid 19 virus and failed to go to hospital for testing
    The Chinese is said to have chipped in a supermarket to buy daily necessities where the supermarket attendants noticed that she was having signs of the virus
    The supermarket attendants said that the female victim was coughing ,and was also having some difficulty with breathing .This is when one of the attendants who noticed the signs,signalled the other attendants which later raised the alarm.
    The supermarket atendants are said to have escaped and shouted that their was a Chinese with signs of the deadly virus
    The Chinese refused the accusations saying that she was not positive for the virus and that she would not attend any health facility for further testing
    The Nyali residents are said to have been angered by the utterance from the 32 year old Chinese and stoned her to death

    Replies: @bomag, @Redneck farmer, @Neoconned, @Jamie12, @but an humble craftsman

    Note to self: stay out of Africa….

    Anyway….cold air scars lung tissue….making you more susceptible to various types of infection….

  34. I know two young female ski instructors at a very famous US resort who became brutally ill after the tourists washed through over the Dec/Jan break. One ended up on a ventilator briefly. She has recovered fine but the other one is still struggling.

    I’m curious if they had it?

  35. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Once Again, the Skier Menace
     
    Steve, don’t blame the skiers: It’s the slopes.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Andrew M, @eastkekiisawhiteguy

    Clever!

  36. OT: Two Republican Senators traded stocks on inside information about COVID-19:

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/sen-kelly-loeffler-dumped-millions-in-stock-after-coronavirus-briefing

    This is probably going to piss a lot of people off. They might be forced to resign. Their seats might be up for grabs. And it might not just be thier seats. Something like this could even cause the Senate to flip.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Mr. Anon

    "They might be forced to resign."

    In Chicago, such a statement of future politics would be greeted with contempt:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQdDamq0S2E
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky3mrwf7Nrs

    , @J.Ross
    @Mr. Anon

    Good. There is no support whatsoever for the Republican party, as a direct result of their policy of self-destruction, and as far as we know these are Chamber of Commerce types, that is they are Republicans-as-opposed-to-Trump-Supporters. The Republican party voluntarily lost a lot by opposing Trump or failing to understand him: Democrats swept Virginia not because of immigrants but because Republicans refused to fight for it. We have been in a pre-Civil War atmosphere for years and these idiots thought it would be a good time to relax, break major ethics rules, and rely on party identity. Burn them. Look at Lindsay Graham do more than Charles Schumer to screw everything up.

    , @Kolya Krassotkin
    @Mr. Anon

    Turns out Jim Imhofe and Diane Feinstein were also in on insider trader.

    (Mark Hatfield, were he still around, is the only one I can imagine interested in Di-Fei's seat up for grabs.)

  37. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Yes, but blonde thotties and hardcore techno!:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggGiOtJ5TkI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbJsFrkRqjI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYuv51h1s4I

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @El Dato

    Makes me wanna grab a St. Pauli Girl and give her my Corona.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Obligatory:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/coronachan/comments/f2xorm/no_title/

    I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN!

  38. @Steve Sailer
    @DanHessinMD

    Thanks. Here is something to look into: "Quinism" -- is it a Real Thing caused by anti-malaria drugs like Chloroquine or is it some kind of grift to get on disability?

    https://quinism.org/press-releases/dangers-of-antimalarial-quinolines-against-covid-19/
    https://www.unz.com/wp-admin/edit-comments.php?comment_status=moderated#comments-form

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Lugash, @Lagertha

    I also heard that Choloroquine is the way to go, and fast. Gavin Effincreepy Newsome, that callow, sinister monster, has shut down CA!

    We can’t wait for bad people to be rioting in the streets and breaking into peoples’ homes. Or, on the other hand, direct them to the homes of Newsome, Pelosi, SV moguls first. Let them go into the gated communities and rich neighborhoods first! And, after the way Democrats have disparaged cops, not so sure rich people are safe anymore, even if they have personal body guards if the cops don’t come as back-up!

    A while back, one of my friends, a firewoman (with a cop husband) said “when stuff happens, that’s when you call them and want them/show respect to them…and, what happens to you and yours if they don’t come?” Most cops in my area are retiring to NH (if they must stay in NE due to family) & the South – and, many are leaving from even sleepy towns. The Eastern Seaboard from VA to Maine is anathema now, for cops. Many have taken jobs in TN, AL, WV (!), NC, SC rather than stay North. CA already, btw, has trouble retaining cops and firefighters, not to mention carpenters who can actually build.

  39. @Reg Cæsar
    Ischgl's state's coat of arms kind of resembles the virus.


    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/mk8AAOSwsnVeNjZK/s-l400.jpg

    https://www.southeastpolk.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/2019-coronavirus-752x498.jpg

    Replies: @Lagertha

    Like you, the Simpsons are always ahead of their time.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Lagertha

    Simpsons did it!

    Every. Single. Time.

  40. @blah blah blah blah
    Steve, I find your stigmatization of skiers to be problematic. This is not the time for skiphobia masquerading as concern over public health. ANYBODY can get coronavirus, not just skiers.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Steve is a self-hating Skier who is promoting conspiracy theories that will soon cause a sharp rise in anti-Skierism.

    We Skiers have historically been the focus of envy and hate from the clumsy and less athletic in every country we have ever built lifts in.

    Hey, did you know we eat golfers’ children after a day on the slopes? Yep, we roast one in the fireplace at the lodge. Great tradition.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Buzz Mohawk

    This will end in the Great Skislope Pogroms of 2021.

  41. @Clifford brown
    O.J. Simpson is definitely Team Golf.

    https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1240392353795444738


    https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1238900896655765504

    Replies: @Lagertha, @MEH 0910, @Dan Hayes

    OMG! Hahahahahahaaaa. Even if I find OJ despicable (a murderous, sociopathic monster), I find his wearing a mask kinda’ strangely, endearing. It’s like he is a monster who is virtue-signaling in his practical, nice-guy sweater and all….to convince us he is rehabilitated and, creepily, taking Covid seriously? I mean, he cut the throats of his wife & her friend yet he protects himself from Covid?!

  42. @Clifford brown
    O.J. Simpson is definitely Team Golf.

    https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1240392353795444738


    https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1238900896655765504

    Replies: @Lagertha, @MEH 0910, @Dan Hayes

  43. @Lagertha
    @Reg Cæsar

    Like you, the Simpsons are always ahead of their time.

    https://youtu.be/XZJtY02ol4c

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Simpsons did it!

    Every. Single. Time.

  44. Steve, this take is nonsense. The skiing per se has nothing to do with the spread of the virus. Read the article. The problem is the apres ski party scene where crowds of drunk people are interacting in poorly lit enclosed spaces and sharing lots of air. Nothing like that really exists in the US or Japan, which is why you aren’t seeing skiing in North America or Asia as a vector. Family skiing poses no threat at all.

    • Replies: @JL
    @Peter Akuleyev

    As usual, you're completely wrong. Have you ever actually gone skiing?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-19/vail-emerges-as-virus-hotbed-for-mexican-skiers-returning-home

    Replies: @danand, @Peter Akuleyev

  45. @Anatoly Karlin
    Nice thing about skiing wrt epidemic control is that everyone at ski resorts is funneled in through a limited number of entry points. (Of course, it's possible to sneak in, but only the Chads do that).

    We are now seeing multiple companies developing what they claim to be 15 minute COVID-19 test kits.

    Test everyone coming in. Wait for 15 mins. If all clear, continue in, "Corona pass" valid for two weeks. Comes with a complimentary cold one in honor of Our Lady.

    ***

    Reprinting my comment on the previous skiing vs. golfing piece, which was posted a day late and so unseen by most commenters:

    Enthusiastic skier chiming in.

    My guess is that skiers stay at densely packed chalets to save on costs (and to party). This especially applies to college students without much means.

    You also need to stay close to people on the ski lifts (both in the air and in queues to them). The restaurants/cafes at ski resorts are often jam-packed and full of heavily sweating people.

    I never played golf, but it strikes me as something that most people just drive to in a single day and where they don’t spend much time very close together.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Peter Akuleyev

    Have you ever actually gone skiing?

    • Troll: Anatoly Karlin
  46. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Yes, but blonde thotties and hardcore techno!:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggGiOtJ5TkI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbJsFrkRqjI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYuv51h1s4I

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @El Dato

    Every day we stray further from skiing.

  47. @Buzz Mohawk
    @blah blah blah blah

    Steve is a self-hating Skier who is promoting conspiracy theories that will soon cause a sharp rise in anti-Skierism.

    We Skiers have historically been the focus of envy and hate from the clumsy and less athletic in every country we have ever built lifts in.

    Hey, did you know we eat golfers' children after a day on the slopes? Yep, we roast one in the fireplace at the lodge. Great tradition.

    Replies: @El Dato

    This will end in the Great Skislope Pogroms of 2021.

  48. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Once Again, the Skier Menace
     
    Steve, don’t blame the skiers: It’s the slopes.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Andrew M, @eastkekiisawhiteguy

    Tragic snow?

  49. If a ski resort goes under then sell the assets to some other group and reopen. The mountain won’t go away.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Hodag

    A friend of mine from high school bought the Mt. Waterman ski hill above LA in the early 2000s. But then not much snow fell for the first few years, so he never opened it. Then 2005 was an El Nino winter with a huge dump of snow so he announced Mt. Waterman was opening. The days before opening he took one last ecstatic run through 4 feet of powder, the best snow in Southern California in a decade, lost control, hit a tree and was killed.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  50. @Hodag
    If a ski resort goes under then sell the assets to some other group and reopen. The mountain won't go away.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    A friend of mine from high school bought the Mt. Waterman ski hill above LA in the early 2000s. But then not much snow fell for the first few years, so he never opened it. Then 2005 was an El Nino winter with a huge dump of snow so he announced Mt. Waterman was opening. The days before opening he took one last ecstatic run through 4 feet of powder, the best snow in Southern California in a decade, lost control, hit a tree and was killed.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Steve Sailer

    https://media3.giphy.com/media/VE3OlqbxlNNbG/source.gif

  51. @Peter Akuleyev
    Steve, this take is nonsense. The skiing per se has nothing to do with the spread of the virus. Read the article. The problem is the apres ski party scene where crowds of drunk people are interacting in poorly lit enclosed spaces and sharing lots of air. Nothing like that really exists in the US or Japan, which is why you aren’t seeing skiing in North America or Asia as a vector. Family skiing poses no threat at all.

    Replies: @JL

    • Replies: @danand
    @JL

    JL, some excerpts from your article:

    Vail, Colorado, long a favorite of Mexican skiers looking for snow, is turning into a major source of coronavirus cases.

    The state of Jalisco, home to Guadalajara, is looking for about 400 travelers who two weeks ago chartered two flights to Denver and traveled from there to Vail. Some tested positive for the virus on their return, Governor Enrique Alfaro said in a video Wednesday, calling on the rest of the group to self-isolate.

    The Jalisco cluster adds to at least three high-profile executives who tested positive after traveling to the ski resort. Two of them -- the chairman of the Mexican stock exchange, Jaime Ruiz Sacristan, and Jose Kuri, a relative of billionaire Carlos Slim -- tested positive after returning from Vail on a private jet, according to a letter from the charter company confirming that a passenger had the virus. The two men came back with four other people March 8.

    A third business leader, Juan Domingo Beckmann, was also infected. Beckmann, the chief executive officer of Jose Cuervo tequila maker Becle SAB, tested positive for the virus after traveling abroad, the company said Wednesday. He had been in Vail with his wife.

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @JL

    Read the article. Once again the vector was a party - in this case at the Snowboard championship. The odds of getting the virus sitting in an open air chairlift are extremely low, on a t-bar nil. If you are packed like a sardine into one of those 60 person trams, that is a bad idea but how many ski areas have those?

    Not to mention the fact that a lot of skiers wear gloves and wear masks or face coverings anyway because its cold.

    Replies: @JL

  52. Well, as someone who’s skied about fifty days this season, I find this rather disturbing. The chances that I found myself in a saliva, mucus and sweat filled gondola with someone who had, earlier in the season, skied in Italy or Austria, are pretty high.

  53. @Buzz Mohawk
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Makes me wanna grab a St. Pauli Girl and give her my Corona.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Obligatory:

    No title from coronachan

    I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN!

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
  54. • Replies: @Pericles
    @PiltdownMan

    Did it make her lock herself in her panic room until the visitors went away?

  55. from dropping by your local wet mart for some fresh bat-and-pangolin stir fry

    The new virus certainly seems to be effective at infecting humans, despite its animal origins. The closest wild relative of SARS-CoV-2 is found in bats, which suggests it originated in a bat, then jumped to humans either directly or through another species. (Another coronavirus found in wild pangolins also resembles SARS-CoV-2, but only in the small part of the spike that recognizes ACE2; the two viruses are otherwise dissimilar, and pangolins are unlikely to be the original reservoir of the new virus.) When SARS-classic first made this leap, a brief period of mutation was necessary for it to recognize ACE2 well. But SARS-CoV-2 could do that from day one. “It had already found its best way of being a [human] virus,” says Matthew Frieman of the University of Maryland School of Medicine.

    This uncanny fit will doubtlessly encourage conspiracy theorists: What are the odds that a random bat virus had exactly the right combination of traits to effectively infect human cells from the get-go, and then jump into an unsuspecting person? “Very low,” Andersen says, “but there are millions or billions of these viruses out there. These viruses are so prevalent that things that are really unlikely to happen sometimes do.”

  56. @Steve Sailer
    @Hodag

    A friend of mine from high school bought the Mt. Waterman ski hill above LA in the early 2000s. But then not much snow fell for the first few years, so he never opened it. Then 2005 was an El Nino winter with a huge dump of snow so he announced Mt. Waterman was opening. The days before opening he took one last ecstatic run through 4 feet of powder, the best snow in Southern California in a decade, lost control, hit a tree and was killed.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  57. @J.Ross
    White people must apologize immediately for the violence visited upon Chinese people by black people!
    https://www.254news.live/suspected-chinese-with-covid-19-stoned-to-death-in-nyali-mombasa-after-she-failed-to-go-to-hospital/
    A 32 year old chinese female has been stoned to death by residents in Nyali Mombasa after she was suspected to have signs of covid 19 virus and failed to go to hospital for testing
    The Chinese is said to have chipped in a supermarket to buy daily necessities where the supermarket attendants noticed that she was having signs of the virus
    The supermarket attendants said that the female victim was coughing ,and was also having some difficulty with breathing .This is when one of the attendants who noticed the signs,signalled the other attendants which later raised the alarm.
    The supermarket atendants are said to have escaped and shouted that their was a Chinese with signs of the deadly virus
    The Chinese refused the accusations saying that she was not positive for the virus and that she would not attend any health facility for further testing
    The Nyali residents are said to have been angered by the utterance from the 32 year old Chinese and stoned her to death

    Replies: @bomag, @Redneck farmer, @Neoconned, @Jamie12, @but an humble craftsman

  58. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Once Again, the Skier Menace
     
    Steve, don’t blame the skiers: It’s the slopes.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Andrew M, @eastkekiisawhiteguy

    DELETED DELETEDDELETEDDELETEDDELETEDDELETEDDELETEDDELETEDDELETEDDELETEDDELETED.

  59. @Mr. Anon
    OT: Two Republican Senators traded stocks on inside information about COVID-19:

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/sen-kelly-loeffler-dumped-millions-in-stock-after-coronavirus-briefing

    This is probably going to piss a lot of people off. They might be forced to resign. Their seats might be up for grabs. And it might not just be thier seats. Something like this could even cause the Senate to flip.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @J.Ross, @Kolya Krassotkin

    “They might be forced to resign.”

    In Chicago, such a statement of future politics would be greeted with contempt:

  60. @Mr. Anon
    OT: Two Republican Senators traded stocks on inside information about COVID-19:

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/sen-kelly-loeffler-dumped-millions-in-stock-after-coronavirus-briefing

    This is probably going to piss a lot of people off. They might be forced to resign. Their seats might be up for grabs. And it might not just be thier seats. Something like this could even cause the Senate to flip.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @J.Ross, @Kolya Krassotkin

    Good. There is no support whatsoever for the Republican party, as a direct result of their policy of self-destruction, and as far as we know these are Chamber of Commerce types, that is they are Republicans-as-opposed-to-Trump-Supporters. The Republican party voluntarily lost a lot by opposing Trump or failing to understand him: Democrats swept Virginia not because of immigrants but because Republicans refused to fight for it. We have been in a pre-Civil War atmosphere for years and these idiots thought it would be a good time to relax, break major ethics rules, and rely on party identity. Burn them. Look at Lindsay Graham do more than Charles Schumer to screw everything up.

  61. @Mr. Anon
    OT: Two Republican Senators traded stocks on inside information about COVID-19:

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/sen-kelly-loeffler-dumped-millions-in-stock-after-coronavirus-briefing

    This is probably going to piss a lot of people off. They might be forced to resign. Their seats might be up for grabs. And it might not just be thier seats. Something like this could even cause the Senate to flip.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @J.Ross, @Kolya Krassotkin

    Turns out Jim Imhofe and Diane Feinstein were also in on insider trader.

    (Mark Hatfield, were he still around, is the only one I can imagine interested in Di-Fei’s seat up for grabs.)

  62. @PiltdownMan
    OT: Skiers may be a menace, but this tennis player feels menaced.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/mar/20/social-distancing-causing-me-anxiety-and-stress-says-serena-williams-tennis

    Replies: @Pericles

    Did it make her lock herself in her panic room until the visitors went away?

  63. @JL
    @Peter Akuleyev

    As usual, you're completely wrong. Have you ever actually gone skiing?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-19/vail-emerges-as-virus-hotbed-for-mexican-skiers-returning-home

    Replies: @danand, @Peter Akuleyev

    JL, some excerpts from your article:

    Vail, Colorado, long a favorite of Mexican skiers looking for snow, is turning into a major source of coronavirus cases.

    The state of Jalisco, home to Guadalajara, is looking for about 400 travelers who two weeks ago chartered two flights to Denver and traveled from there to Vail. Some tested positive for the virus on their return, Governor Enrique Alfaro said in a video Wednesday, calling on the rest of the group to self-isolate.

    The Jalisco cluster adds to at least three high-profile executives who tested positive after traveling to the ski resort. Two of them — the chairman of the Mexican stock exchange, Jaime Ruiz Sacristan, and Jose Kuri, a relative of billionaire Carlos Slim — tested positive after returning from Vail on a private jet, according to a letter from the charter company confirming that a passenger had the virus. The two men came back with four other people March 8.

    A third business leader, Juan Domingo Beckmann, was also infected. Beckmann, the chief executive officer of Jose Cuervo tequila maker Becle SAB, tested positive for the virus after traveling abroad, the company said Wednesday. He had been in Vail with his wife.

  64. @J.Ross
    White people must apologize immediately for the violence visited upon Chinese people by black people!
    https://www.254news.live/suspected-chinese-with-covid-19-stoned-to-death-in-nyali-mombasa-after-she-failed-to-go-to-hospital/
    A 32 year old chinese female has been stoned to death by residents in Nyali Mombasa after she was suspected to have signs of covid 19 virus and failed to go to hospital for testing
    The Chinese is said to have chipped in a supermarket to buy daily necessities where the supermarket attendants noticed that she was having signs of the virus
    The supermarket attendants said that the female victim was coughing ,and was also having some difficulty with breathing .This is when one of the attendants who noticed the signs,signalled the other attendants which later raised the alarm.
    The supermarket atendants are said to have escaped and shouted that their was a Chinese with signs of the deadly virus
    The Chinese refused the accusations saying that she was not positive for the virus and that she would not attend any health facility for further testing
    The Nyali residents are said to have been angered by the utterance from the 32 year old Chinese and stoned her to death

    Replies: @bomag, @Redneck farmer, @Neoconned, @Jamie12, @but an humble craftsman

    Seems two italian men were pushed from the Mombasa ferry for the crime of coughing.

    Very interesting journal, even if you get spammed a fair bit.

  65. @JL
    @Peter Akuleyev

    As usual, you're completely wrong. Have you ever actually gone skiing?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-19/vail-emerges-as-virus-hotbed-for-mexican-skiers-returning-home

    Replies: @danand, @Peter Akuleyev

    Read the article. Once again the vector was a party – in this case at the Snowboard championship. The odds of getting the virus sitting in an open air chairlift are extremely low, on a t-bar nil. If you are packed like a sardine into one of those 60 person trams, that is a bad idea but how many ski areas have those?

    Not to mention the fact that a lot of skiers wear gloves and wear masks or face coverings anyway because its cold.

    • Replies: @JL
    @Peter Akuleyev


    the vector was a party
     
    Oh, so you mean the type of parties that you claimed don't happen in US resorts? Nice try at attempting to move the goalposts.

    If you are packed like a sardine into one of those 60 person trams that is a bad idea but how many ski areas have those
     
    Where I ski the lifts are almost exclusively 8-person gondolas, people are tightly packed in an enclosed space, they remove their protective gear because it's warm, they are sweating from just having finished a run, and they all want to play on their mobile devices. Add in the runny noses, open coughing, plus the cold air when they step out of the lifts and it's the good life for viruses.

    I understand your psychology, you went skiing with your family, but think you're a good husband/father who would never put his family in harm's way. Ergo, Steve is wrong. But I know from your other posts that you are much more interested in affirming your life decisions and pretending you're right than actually being right. It's pathetic, but interesting, like quite a lot of the human nature on display in this unfolding disaster.

    I don't like Steve's conclusions, here, for reasons I mentioned already. I'm concerned now that I have been more exposed than the average and am putting others at risk. I don't see the utility in concocting some ridiculous theory about why I'm actually safe.

    It's just the flu, brah!
    It's just family skiing, brah!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  66. @Anatoly Karlin
    Nice thing about skiing wrt epidemic control is that everyone at ski resorts is funneled in through a limited number of entry points. (Of course, it's possible to sneak in, but only the Chads do that).

    We are now seeing multiple companies developing what they claim to be 15 minute COVID-19 test kits.

    Test everyone coming in. Wait for 15 mins. If all clear, continue in, "Corona pass" valid for two weeks. Comes with a complimentary cold one in honor of Our Lady.

    ***

    Reprinting my comment on the previous skiing vs. golfing piece, which was posted a day late and so unseen by most commenters:

    Enthusiastic skier chiming in.

    My guess is that skiers stay at densely packed chalets to save on costs (and to party). This especially applies to college students without much means.

    You also need to stay close to people on the ski lifts (both in the air and in queues to them). The restaurants/cafes at ski resorts are often jam-packed and full of heavily sweating people.

    I never played golf, but it strikes me as something that most people just drive to in a single day and where they don’t spend much time very close together.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Peter Akuleyev

    Seriously. You are wrong on every point.

    1. “ everyone at ski resorts is funneled in through a limited number of entry points” are you talking about the lifts? Anyone can walk into a bar in the village, there is no control point

    2. “ My guess is that skiers stay at densely packed chalets to save on costs“ if you are talking about most skiers – no, they don’t. Some rent family apartments. Many people actually live near ski areas and just drive from their own homes.

    3. “ You also need to stay close to people on the ski lift“. Not that close. You are wearing generally lots of clothing as well, most likely a helmet, goggles, and often a mask or bandana. You have to be a weird perv to get exposed to a stranger’s breath on an open air chair lift.

    4. “The restaurants/cafes at ski resorts are often jam-packed and full of heavily sweating people.” No worse than any restaurant, and in Europe a lot of people sit outside.

    Compared to playing basketball in a gym, rugby or even soccer, skiing as an activity would appear pretty safe.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Peter Akuleyev

    The more substantive response is appreciated.


    Anyone can walk into a bar in the village, there is no control point.
     
    Who is going to go to that village bar just to go to the bar? Hardly anyone.

    To actually get on the slopes, unless you want to trudge uphill, you need to stand in a line to get your pass scanned.

    Add a passed 15 minute Corona test (valid for 2 weeks), which may be carried out on site, as a requirement of activating the pass.

    Seems pretty simple, no?

    ... if you are talking about most skiers – no, they don’t. Some rent family apartments. Many people actually live near ski areas and just drive from their own homes.
     
    Rich people/families - as a rule, no. I presume you extrapolate from your experience here.

    College students without much means - that's a pretty standard approach.

    And college students make up a large percentage of skiers. Student passess are much cheaper, adults have jobs, pensioners are often not physically up for it, etc.

    You have to be a weird perv to get exposed to a stranger’s breath on an open air chair lift.
     
    OK, this is a good point - I didn't think that through. However, as JL points out, though, it doesn't apply to gondolas.

    No worse than any restaurant, and in Europe a lot of people sit outside.
     
    Most normal restaurants aren't full of sweaty, coughing people.
  67. JL says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    @JL

    Read the article. Once again the vector was a party - in this case at the Snowboard championship. The odds of getting the virus sitting in an open air chairlift are extremely low, on a t-bar nil. If you are packed like a sardine into one of those 60 person trams, that is a bad idea but how many ski areas have those?

    Not to mention the fact that a lot of skiers wear gloves and wear masks or face coverings anyway because its cold.

    Replies: @JL

    the vector was a party

    Oh, so you mean the type of parties that you claimed don’t happen in US resorts? Nice try at attempting to move the goalposts.

    If you are packed like a sardine into one of those 60 person trams that is a bad idea but how many ski areas have those

    Where I ski the lifts are almost exclusively 8-person gondolas, people are tightly packed in an enclosed space, they remove their protective gear because it’s warm, they are sweating from just having finished a run, and they all want to play on their mobile devices. Add in the runny noses, open coughing, plus the cold air when they step out of the lifts and it’s the good life for viruses.

    I understand your psychology, you went skiing with your family, but think you’re a good husband/father who would never put his family in harm’s way. Ergo, Steve is wrong. But I know from your other posts that you are much more interested in affirming your life decisions and pretending you’re right than actually being right. It’s pathetic, but interesting, like quite a lot of the human nature on display in this unfolding disaster.

    I don’t like Steve’s conclusions, here, for reasons I mentioned already. I’m concerned now that I have been more exposed than the average and am putting others at risk. I don’t see the utility in concocting some ridiculous theory about why I’m actually safe.

    It’s just the flu, brah!
    It’s just family skiing, brah!

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @JL

    Skiing is great. Just not right now.

  68. @JL
    @Peter Akuleyev


    the vector was a party
     
    Oh, so you mean the type of parties that you claimed don't happen in US resorts? Nice try at attempting to move the goalposts.

    If you are packed like a sardine into one of those 60 person trams that is a bad idea but how many ski areas have those
     
    Where I ski the lifts are almost exclusively 8-person gondolas, people are tightly packed in an enclosed space, they remove their protective gear because it's warm, they are sweating from just having finished a run, and they all want to play on their mobile devices. Add in the runny noses, open coughing, plus the cold air when they step out of the lifts and it's the good life for viruses.

    I understand your psychology, you went skiing with your family, but think you're a good husband/father who would never put his family in harm's way. Ergo, Steve is wrong. But I know from your other posts that you are much more interested in affirming your life decisions and pretending you're right than actually being right. It's pathetic, but interesting, like quite a lot of the human nature on display in this unfolding disaster.

    I don't like Steve's conclusions, here, for reasons I mentioned already. I'm concerned now that I have been more exposed than the average and am putting others at risk. I don't see the utility in concocting some ridiculous theory about why I'm actually safe.

    It's just the flu, brah!
    It's just family skiing, brah!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Skiing is great. Just not right now.

  69. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Seriously. You are wrong on every point.

    1. “ everyone at ski resorts is funneled in through a limited number of entry points” are you talking about the lifts? Anyone can walk into a bar in the village, there is no control point

    2. “ My guess is that skiers stay at densely packed chalets to save on costs“ if you are talking about most skiers - no, they don’t. Some rent family apartments. Many people actually live near ski areas and just drive from their own homes.

    3. “ You also need to stay close to people on the ski lift“. Not that close. You are wearing generally lots of clothing as well, most likely a helmet, goggles, and often a mask or bandana. You have to be a weird perv to get exposed to a stranger’s breath on an open air chair lift.

    4. “The restaurants/cafes at ski resorts are often jam-packed and full of heavily sweating people.” No worse than any restaurant, and in Europe a lot of people sit outside.

    Compared to playing basketball in a gym, rugby or even soccer, skiing as an activity would appear pretty safe.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    The more substantive response is appreciated.

    Anyone can walk into a bar in the village, there is no control point.

    Who is going to go to that village bar just to go to the bar? Hardly anyone.

    To actually get on the slopes, unless you want to trudge uphill, you need to stand in a line to get your pass scanned.

    Add a passed 15 minute Corona test (valid for 2 weeks), which may be carried out on site, as a requirement of activating the pass.

    Seems pretty simple, no?

    … if you are talking about most skiers – no, they don’t. Some rent family apartments. Many people actually live near ski areas and just drive from their own homes.

    Rich people/families – as a rule, no. I presume you extrapolate from your experience here.

    College students without much means – that’s a pretty standard approach.

    And college students make up a large percentage of skiers. Student passess are much cheaper, adults have jobs, pensioners are often not physically up for it, etc.

    You have to be a weird perv to get exposed to a stranger’s breath on an open air chair lift.

    OK, this is a good point – I didn’t think that through. However, as JL points out, though, it doesn’t apply to gondolas.

    No worse than any restaurant, and in Europe a lot of people sit outside.

    Most normal restaurants aren’t full of sweaty, coughing people.

  70. @Clifford brown
    O.J. Simpson is definitely Team Golf.

    https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1240392353795444738


    https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1238900896655765504

    Replies: @Lagertha, @MEH 0910, @Dan Hayes

    Now I can understand why the LA cops liked OJ before (and maybe even after?) his marital unpleasantries!

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