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From the Associated Press:

Brisbane picked to host 2032 Olympics without a rival bid
By GRAHAM DUNBAR
July 21, 2021

TOKYO (AP) — Brisbane was picked Wednesday to host the 2032 Olympics, the inevitable winner of a one-city race steered by the IOC to avoid rival bids.

The Games will go back to Australia 32 years after the popular 2000 Sydney Olympics. Melbourne hosted in 1956. Brisbane follows 2028 host Los Angeles in getting 11 years to prepare for hosting the Games. Paris will host in 2024. …

The IOC gave Brisbane exclusive negotiating rights in February. That decision left Olympic officials in Qatar, Hungary and Germany looking blindsided with their own stalled bidding plans. …

Brisbane’s renowned cricket stadium, known as the Gabba, will be upgraded and may host the sport at the Games. Cricket was played once at the Olympics, at the 1900 Paris Games.

The next three Summer Games hosts — starting with Paris in 2024 — are now secured in wealthy and traditional Olympic nations without any of the trio facing a contested vote.

Brisbane’s renowned cricket stadium, known as the Gabba, will be upgraded and may host the sport at the Games. Cricket was played once at the Olympics, at the 1900 Paris Games.

The next three Summer Games hosts — starting with Paris in 2024 — are now secured in wealthy and traditional Olympic nations without any of the trio facing a contested vote. …

The IOC and its hands-on president, Thomas Bach, have torn up the template of traditional bidding campaigns and hosting votes to lock down preferred cities with the minimum risk.

Paris and LA were competing for 2024 until Bach and Coates oversaw including the 2028 rights in an unprecedented double award four years ago.

The Olympics are declining in popularity and prestige, so the IOC, rather than playing off rival bidders for bribes and absurd stadium building concessions, recently chose two old reliable giant cities, Paris for 2024 and Los Angeles for 2028.

Paris built an 80,000 seat super-stadium, the Stade de France, in time for the 1998 World Cup soccer final. The stands were built on rails so they can be rolled back to the larger dimensions required by the Olympic track. Ever since, the International Olympic Committee has been telling rival bidders to host the Olympics, “Well, obviously, the logical choice would be Paris, but perhaps you can change our minds …”

Los Angeles hosted the 1984 Olympics without building a lot of new stadia, using the Coliseum that hosted the 1932 Games, and made large profit off it.

The truth is that you don’t really have to build new stadiums to host an Olympics or World Cup. It’s just a bunch of games. Your metropolis probably has plenty of playing fields already.

In 1984, Los Angeles just ordered up a lot of crepe paper in an au courant color scheme called Festive Federalism to decorate its old ballparks, and everybody who went loved it.

… The future hosts offer stability for the IOC which was stung by the two previous Summer Games contests being tainted by allegations of vote-buying when multiple cities were on the ballot.

The 2016 Rio de Janeiro Olympics and the postponed 2020 Tokyo Olympics are still under investigation by French prosecutors. They have implicated officials who then lost their place in the IOC family as active or honorary members.

A low-risk future beckons for the IOC following the often-troubled Tokyo Olympics and the 2022 Beijing Winter Games in February, which will throw scrutiny on China’s human rights record.

Key partners have also been secured through 2032. The IOC’s signature broadcasting deal with NBC and top-tier sponsors Coca-Cola, Visa and Omega are tied down for the decade ahead.

… Brisbane said it already has 84% of stadiums and event venues in place to fit the IOC’s modern demand of avoiding excessive spending and potential white-elephant projects.

Brisbane?

That was the only bidder for the 2032 Olympics, although deciding 11 years ahead of time seems excessive.

Brisbane is at only 27 degrees south, and agreed to the mid-winter late July to early August time period that NBC in America likes due to the lack of other competition on TV. Melbourne 1956 and Sydney 2000 needed to use later in the year time slots that competed with the NFL on US TV. The average high temperature in Brisbane in July is 71 degrees and it gets one inch of rain that month. So it sounds nice.

Australia is a great Olympics country because it’s not overly obsessed with soccer, so I could see going back there a third time. On the other hand, Brisbane is kind of like putting the Olympics in San Diego: a nice, fast-growing place but only the third city of California, one without much history.

OK, I can see the IOC’s logic: Brisbane won’t have BLM riots, even in 2032.

Maybe the Summer Olympics will then go to Auckland in 2036 and Perth in 2040, followed by Reykjavik in 2044 and from then on Iceland will be home to the Summer Olympics.

In contrast, the Winter Olympics should be fine: the next two are in Beijing and Milan-Cortina. After that, possibilities include Jackson Hole, St. Moritz, Aspen, Whistler, Park City, Bozeman, Stowe, Lake Tahoe, Sun Valley, Bretton Woods and Coeur d’Alene, before the final retreat to Reykjavik in perpetuity in the later 21st Century.

 
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  1. I’m having lotsa fun watching the US team implode, although I have nothing against Katy Ledecky.

    I’m just praying that US Men’s b-ball crashes, and as for the women’s “soccer” team, I hope Megan Rapinoe collapses on the field. I wish her transgender opponents.

    • Agree: tyrone, R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @tr
    @Paperback Writer

    I wish her middle school boy opponents.

    , @Anonymous
    @Paperback Writer


    I’m having lotsa fun watching the US team implode, although I have nothing against Katy Ledecky.

    I’m just praying that US Men’s b-ball crashes, and as for the women’s “soccer” team, I hope Megan Rapinoe collapses on the field. I wish her transgender opponents.
     

    My friends and I were in agreement that this is the very first of many Olympics we’ve seen where we we were all passionately rooting for our own country to lose. The notion of Rapinoe eating shit is such a fanciful treat. The loudest shit-talker offering the least merit. The Olympics is where reality still enjoys a little leverage.

    Perhaps rooting for reality is old school American as it gets.

    Nostalgia for when merit used to be the common coin of exchange, and all that.

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @Paperback Writer

    Speaking of aging women athletes, I thought killer whales (orcas) were creatures you didn't want to get on bad terms with, but apparently, there is a demographic of killer whales from which you really want to steer clear

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/these-killer-whales-go-through-menopause/ar-AAMFLOh?ocid=msedgntp

    , @pyrrhus
    @Paperback Writer

    The US Team had better suck it up, not many olympic opportunities left for glory, IMO...2040 Olympics? Not happening the way things are going...

  2. “mid-winter late July to early August”: when we lived in Brizzie we didn’t call it “winter”: it was The Dry. The weather is lovely. The other season is The Wet. Horrible. Humid the whole time. The only compensation is the frequency of dramatic electrical storms.

    Also, The Dry is cool enough that the snakes aren’t a big worry.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @dearieme

    Nevil Shute’s

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Wet

    featured one of his more memorable characters: the aged alcoholic and opium-smoker “Stevie”...

    , @AnotherDad
    @dearieme

    Agree. I don't get Steve's "Brisbane?"

    Brisbane in July sounds perfect to me. And yeah "Brisbane?" is exactly what you want. The Olympics served as a city's--and often a nation's--international "coming out" party.

    Tokyo again--utterly lame. They had their post-War, "we're back among the community of civilized nations, kicking commercial ass now" party back in 1964.

    Tokyo isn't all of Japan. If Japan wanted to host my choice, Nagasaki, would have been better. "Our Olympics are a blast!"

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  3. Brisbane is all well and good, but what about COVID?!?!!?

    Meaning, Australia has committed itself to this crazy “one case is one too many” policy and appears willing to enforce it in perpetuity.

    Is 11 years enough time to have perfected holographic sports wherein the evil dirty foreign aliens and their diseases don’t have to set foot in their country?

    Yes, this is a bit tongue in cheek, but only slightly. Agreeing to welcome the world for the olympics is very inconsistent with Australia’s recent pattern of behavior, no?

    • Replies: @BB753
    @JR Ewing

    Lockdowns will continue until morale improves. Yeah, I wonder why nobody covers the draconian lockdowns down under ..

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @JR Ewing


    Brisbane is all well and good, but what about COVID?!?!!?

    Meaning, Australia has committed itself to this crazy “one case is one too many” policy and appears willing to enforce it in perpetuity.
     
    You'd think social distancing would come naturally in one of the emptiest countries in the world. But Australia is like Canada, Brazil, Japan, Chile, Egypt, Norway, Scotland, and, to a lesser extent, China, Russia, and Indonesia, where most of the land is uninhabitable and everyone crams together into one or two little corners. No wonder they're paranoid.


    America is really the odd-lady-out, gifted with pleasant latitudes in abundance. However, lately that has become more of a curse than a blessing. Too inviting.

    Thanks, though, for the opportunity to post this poster, finally, without an annoying click to Facebook:



    https://ufodays.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/ufo-days-2020.jpg?w=2016&h=1800&crop=1

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @Joe Paluka
    @JR Ewing

    By then they'll have organized the Royal Australian Health Gestapo where machine gun toting enforcers wearing Khaki colored bermuda shorts and knee socks with pith helmets and dingleballs, will roam the cities and countryside looking for violators that aren't wearing masks or have missed their six month booster shots. Violators will be beaten with a boomerang (to honor the Abos) and forcibly vaxed with their choice of Pfizer, Moderna or Astrazenica or a cocktail mix of the three. Repeat offenders will be beaten to death by drunken Abos, worked up to the occasion by gallons of free Fosters laced with meth and energy drinks. Australia will then be a safe place for the Olympics where Australia will have it's place in the sun, winning golds in the new Olympic sports of boomerang tossing, Croc Wrestling and Fosters drinking.

  4. The modernisation of Brisbane is a very recent development. There are some photos of the Gabba stadium here over time – it had a dog racing track around it until 1990.

    https://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/gabba/photos

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon55uu


    The modernisation of Brisbane is a very recent development. There are some photos of the Gabba stadium here over time – it had a dog racing track around it until 1990.
     
    How about a Faunalympics? All animals, except for riders and trainers. Besides dog, horse, and turtle racing, there could be dog-, cock-, bull-, and catfighting.

    Since the "South", i.e., the wrongly-named "Third World", is unlikely ever to be awarded an Olympics, this is a prize their cynicism, corruption, and desperation make them ideal candidates for competition.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @Ed Case
    @Anon55uu

    Those photos are all of the Gabba built in 2002.
    The previous Gabba with the Dog Track was built in 1972 and was a Dog's Breakfast.
    The original Gabba was timber Grandstands and standing room under Weeping Figs, the Ground was surrounded by Poincianas.
    Terrific place to watch top Cricket, torn down in 1971.

  5. Bonus for Brissie is that just down the road on the Gold Coast they successfully hosted the commonwealth games a couple years ago, so plenty of freshly built stadia and public transport to link the general area together. The only worry will be trying to hold the triathlon in the “brown snake” aka the Brisbane River. I pity those athletes

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Ozzie

    Won’t they need to take precautions against Saltwater Crocs and Box Jellyfish?

    , @Ed Case
    @Ozzie

    Brisbane isn't home to Brown Snakes however the Brisbane River is full of Bull Sharks.
    Those things will take any bait, a good spot is under the William Jolly Bridge after dusk.

  6. BRISVEGAS!!

    Somebody down there in that charming place please give my fond regards to Mark, CL, Kim, Liam, Pav, tigtog, Fyodor and of course Nabs, from the now-defunct Purple Blawg.

  7. Chicago lost to Rio de Janeiro for the 2016 Olympics even though Chicago has all the facilities needed already built.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Anon

    NineNineFour, Chicago is not fit to hold any event safely. obama sent michelle, oprah, valerie jarret and rahm emmanuel to secure the bid. This, after knocking down acres of public housing for a site. I think it is a powerful statement when Chicago, with its "Magnificent Mile" loses out to Rio and its favelas. obama's library is apparently in limbo as the few sane thinkers in the city see no need to tear up acres of park for his egotorium. Chicago most important facilities, their ERs, are quite full of shooting victims.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Anon

    , @follyofwar
    @Anon

    My understanding is that Brazil lost billions hosting the games. They had to build a whole new infrastructure, most of which now stands idle. Plus, they built a brand new golf course, now overgrown with weeds.

    I wonder how many billions Japan lost in this one year postponed, Covid plagued, fan-less Olympics. 80% of Japanese didn't want it. Prime sponsor Toyota pulled out at the last minute.

    It's amazing that any city still wants to host the games. They lost their appeal when it changed from an amateur competition to allowing millionaire NBA b-ballers, NHL skaters, pro tennis, and pro golfers in. I think that many in the last four sports would prefer not to go, but play out of a sense of obligation. Just look at how many top tennis players and top golfers who opted out.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Jake Barnes
    @Anon

    That was fine since the episode made Obama look like a tit.

  8. Don’t focus the Eye of Sauron on poor Rekjavik.

  9. We’re all going to be under the immediately present and gilded rule of the people who control “7ft tall basketball shooting robots” at that point. Biometric ID registered conservatives and nu-dissidents will be gloating about it being “The Worst Rated Olympics Ever!”

    Discourse among people who count themselves in the “those who can see” sphere has become so stupid, neutered, and divorced from meaningfully mapping the current trajectory that maybe we just deserve it at this point. Don’t get me wrong, I haven’t worked out any solutions to what looks to be an almost impossible problem, but I’ve about had my fill of the “point out the hypocrisies” and “gloat about minor falterings of system that continues to roll you” genres.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @AnonymousNameChange

    “Don’t get me wrong, I haven’t worked out any solutions to what looks to be an almost impossible problem”
    In STEM it is known that some problems inherently can’t be fixed so all you can do is watch it play out and be prepared to ride it out as best you can.
    There is a joke about situations that you can’t fix. An old cowboy is in front of the fireplace regaling his grandkids with stories of his days in the Old West and he’s telling them about his encounter with a band of Comanches. “There I was kids, surrounded by fifty Comanche warriors. My horse had run been run off, I was out of ammo, the nearest cavalry was twenty miles off, the Injuns were closing in on me from all sides , howling for my blood!” The wide-eyed moppets asked “Gosh Grandpa, what happened then?” The old cowboy replied “Well kids, then I got killed!”
    Things aren’t going to get turned around. What is accomplished with this discourse is to take the first step which is to expand the circle of people who are aware of what is going on and why. That by itself doesn’t stop the process but it is a necessary pre-condition for being ready to do what is needed, whatever that might be.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @AnonymousNameChange

  10. I wonder what weird and not so wonderful controversies will erupt in time for Brisbane. Blacks with mental trauma seems to be a growing problem. Maybe they’ll be shooting people during the competitions.
    LGBTQs are on the rise.
    I won’t be watching,that’s the one thing I can be sure of.

  11. anonymous[101] • Disclaimer says:

    The 2036 games will be somewhere in Asia. Chengdu, Ahmedabad, or Jakarta. Or maybe Berlin-Tel Aviv (actual idea).

    • Replies: @animalogic
    @anonymous

    "Or maybe Berlin-Tel Aviv"
    You're funny.... or somekind of witch or warlock. The 1st I hope.

  12. @dearieme
    "mid-winter late July to early August": when we lived in Brizzie we didn't call it "winter": it was The Dry. The weather is lovely. The other season is The Wet. Horrible. Humid the whole time. The only compensation is the frequency of dramatic electrical storms.

    Also, The Dry is cool enough that the snakes aren't a big worry.

    Replies: @Cortes, @AnotherDad

    Nevil Shute’s

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Wet

    featured one of his more memorable characters: the aged alcoholic and opium-smoker “Stevie”…

    • Thanks: dearieme
  13. How depressing! I’ve just moved to Brisbane. I am not watching the Olympics as NZ is being represented by a dude in the women’s weightlifting. If is ‘wins’, it will be a day of national shame.

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @22pp22

    S/he weightlifting is the only event I’m going to program into my DVR.

    Olympic bids are still taxpayer unfriendly: “We can’t knock down the Coliseum! We could use it to host the 2,096 games.” I once walked past that olympic stadium in Montreal, at a time after the Expos had skipped town.

    What a s*hole. Taxpayers were probably still paying for it.

    How can Alaska be home to a gold medal swimmer? I doubt it sends anyone to the Winter games.

    Youth sports is a real pay-to-play business. Those world record breakers must either have rich parents, or else long term, corporate sponsors.

    I can’t stand the blue blooded, socialist aristocrats who run the IOOC. Has a member of the British royal family won the equestrian medal this time?

  14. The Olympics are declining in popularity and prestige,

    That’s an understatement. How many people are watching, or even aware, of the Tokyo Olympics? I used to enjoy watching now and then, but I don’t think there was any year in which I paid less attention to the Olympics, and I think this is true of many people too.

    Perhaps all the Simone Biles drama was an attempt to make people more aware that an Olympic games competition was going on?

    The Oscars the same thing — I was barely aware that they took place this year, I don’t know or care who won, and don’t know anyone who even watched the ceremony.

    Covid and Covid-reaction exhaustion (and wokenization too – are those rainbow Pride flags in Tokyo?) are really taking the wind out of most of those big events (although, I did follow the Euro cup this year, despite the annoyng BLM knee stupidity).

  15. The Olympics are declining in popularity and prestige, so the IOC, rather than playing off rival bidders for bribes and absurd stadium building concessions, recently chose two old reliable giant cities, Paris for 2024 and Los Angeles for 2028.

    But without the hookers and blow and duffel bags of cash what’s the IOC even for?

    • Agree: Charles, Polistra, Trinity
  16. @Anon
    Chicago lost to Rio de Janeiro for the 2016 Olympics even though Chicago has all the facilities needed already built.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @follyofwar, @Jake Barnes

    NineNineFour, Chicago is not fit to hold any event safely. obama sent michelle, oprah, valerie jarret and rahm emmanuel to secure the bid. This, after knocking down acres of public housing for a site. I think it is a powerful statement when Chicago, with its “Magnificent Mile” loses out to Rio and its favelas. obama’s library is apparently in limbo as the few sane thinkers in the city see no need to tear up acres of park for his egotorium. Chicago most important facilities, their ERs, are quite full of shooting victims.

    • Thanks: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Buffalo Joe


    obama’s library is apparently in limbo as the few sane thinkers in the city see no need to tear up acres of park for his egotorium.
     
    Egotorium is very good, Joe. It would certainly be a big building.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Joe Stalin

    , @Anon
    @Buffalo Joe

    Chicago is not even in the top 35 most violent cities in the US. The public housing came down during the Daley Administration years before the Olympic bid, ironically because the land was so valuable and in demand for upscale housing. Chicago isn't any worse than any other American city. It is funny how the people who drone on on how the mainstream media lies, believe it when it tells them something they want to hear.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @res, @Buffalo Joe

  17. The region in which I now live wanted to put in a bid for the 2032 Summers, but the IOC rejected it. Like you said, Brisbane’s bid was the only one it moved forward, so its ultimate selection was a formality.

  18. The 2030 Winters have only four serious bids, three of those four (Vancouver, Salt Lake, Sapporo) have already hosted, and the fourth (Barcelona) has already hosted a Summer.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @countenance

    Barcelona or Sapporo would be pretty cool.

    Vancouver was too warm. SLC was kind of a dud.

    , @Charon
    @countenance

    Barcelona is quite pleasant in the wintertime, but where will the downhill skiing events be held? Somewhere in the Pyrenees?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

  19. The next three Olympics are now secured in “wealthy” nations as it should be. Spending billions on facilities in any country without basic infrastructure for their citizens is criminal.

    • Agree: Not Raul, Polistra
  20. To me it looks like many events that used to be a big deal have lost their audience.

    The Olympics are like so what? I personally think it is painful to watch Simone Biles being forced to perform for no pay just like amateur athletes like archers, especially aft she was abused by the doctor the US Olympic committee forced her to use.

    Mars expeditions used to be a big deal, there are currently 2 rovers and a flying Thing-a-majig on mars and no one seems to care.

    Movies seem to be shot and is going down the same path as harness racing (and horse racing in general) to oblivion. Believe it or not, according to boxofficemojo, the #21 movie box office last week was from CatVideoFest 2021 .

    https://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/2021W30/?ref_=bo_wey_table_1

    Even war has trouble attracting an audience.

  21. Who will attend these games? Robots? Holographic projections? By 2032, the Great Reset will be in full swing. Air travel will largely be banned for ordinary people under one pretext or another – the COVID-28 crisis, the Climate crisis, or some new crisis that Globohomo will cook up. Australia will be a full-on police-state by then. Actually, it kinda seems to be one now.

    The ads will be interesting though. The Microsoft/VISA/Verizon brain-implant chip. The lab-grown “meat” and insect protein “food” products. The resort/retirement island community that shows people having a great time (and from which nobody ever returns).

  22. sb says:

    Well the way things are we can’t rely on LA and Paris not being the scene of some great ugly publicity/protest stunt by the Great Unwashed
    The same thing could also be tried on in Brisbane but would be rather smaller and less violent

    Australia provides a very safe pair of hands but even here/there the Olympics are not what they were .
    I’d put it down to the always present suspicion of widespread doping and the fact that for many of us so called national teams are no longer composed of People Like Us ( except perhaps in the more preppy sports )

  23. @JR Ewing
    Brisbane is all well and good, but what about COVID?!?!!?

    Meaning, Australia has committed itself to this crazy “one case is one too many” policy and appears willing to enforce it in perpetuity.

    Is 11 years enough time to have perfected holographic sports wherein the evil dirty foreign aliens and their diseases don’t have to set foot in their country?

    Yes, this is a bit tongue in cheek, but only slightly. Agreeing to welcome the world for the olympics is very inconsistent with Australia’s recent pattern of behavior, no?

    Replies: @BB753, @Reg Cæsar, @Joe Paluka

    Lockdowns will continue until morale improves. Yeah, I wonder why nobody covers the draconian lockdowns down under ..

  24. In contrast, the Winter Olympics should be fine: the next two are in Beijing and Milan-Cortina. After that, possibilities include Jackson Hole, St. Moritz, Aspen, Whistler, Park City, Bozeman, Stowe, Lake Tahoe, Sun Valley, Bretton Woods and Coeur d’Alene, before the final retreat to Reykjavik in perpetuity in the later 21st Century.

    You’re joking, right?

    Park City is a small town, and itself lacks the infrastructure to pull off an Olympics. Of course even Salt Lake City isn’t really that big – only about 200,000 people. It actually is one of the larger cities to have hosted a Winter Olympics.

    “Host cities” are usually (always?) really “host states” or “host “provinces” – or “host countries.” Which raises the question of why cities get the glory of identifying themselves as the host when the vast majority of the funding, infrastructure, and manpower comes from the host state or country.

    Sun Valley is quite small, and there isn’t much, big city-wise, that is near it. Jackson Hole is a small city in a very small state and has no big city really close by, either. Ditto for Bozeman, though Montana is a wee bit bigger than Wyoming. Coeur d’Alene is close to Spokane, which isn’t enormous but might be just big enough – but is also in a completely different state.

    Perhaps all the billionaires that live in Sun Valkey or Jackson Hole can fund the Olympic boondoggle with their own money, instead of leaning on taxpayers to fund it.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Wilkey

    Wilkey, Lake Placid in NY's Adirondak mountains has twice hosted the Winter Olympics. Not too many large cities in any mountains. Olympics as a for profit event, billionaire funded, makes sense to me.

    , @anon
    @Wilkey

    Boondoggle is right. Poor/small countries that can ill afford these stadiums and infrastructure were goaded into hosting these games as a way to announce their arrival on the world stage, like Sydney, Greece and Rio, but in reality they are left with nothing but white elephants to rust and decay, like the vaunted Bird's Nest stadium in Beijing. Twenty years ago Australia was seen as a backwater country full of snakes, hicks and rednecks who spoke weird unintelligible English and ate inedible food like vegemite, but at least they were unique. These days they are just seen as a poorer imitation of America, another victim of globohomo. Only now you can add "meathead" to the distinction owing to the success of their swimmers. So the only things they got out of the 2000 Games are a country full of meatheads and a nod from globohomo. Greece and Brazil got nothing out of theirs except debt and crumbling stadiums.

    And they keep adding more sports so it becomes ever more expensive to host these games. The Tokyo Games are the most expensive games ever, with Tokyo expecting to lose $20B. Surfing, rugby and skateboarding are new to these games. Surfing and rugby were probably added for Australia's benefit, and skateboarding for USA's. Skateboarding absolutely does not belong in the Olympics. It is a sport of street urchins and thugs, yet another sport that only the young and stupid would do, no helmet because helmets are not cool, so now we're encouraging more kids to crack their skulls so NBC can make more money off of them. The Gold and silver medalists for the "women's" are both only 13, talk about child exploitation. They want to compete with the X games, but even young people have stopped watching the X Games. Tony Hawk is 53 now, how cool can you still be at 53? Even Shaun White is now 34 and no longer cool.

    What ridiculous "sports" will they add next? Parkour? Formula One? Camel racing? Video gaming? By all means let's make these games ever more grandiose and expensive to host.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Wilkey

    , @Mike1
    @Wilkey

    Umm, Park City has already held the Olympics and has 100% of the infrastructure to hold a games tomorrow. Your Salt Lake metro numbers are wildly off and Park City is self evidently part of the Salt Lake area (despite the people who moved there from CA insisting they live in "PARK CITY" not UT or Salt Lake).

    Jackson Hole has no even moderate size city anywhere close to it. Pro tip: no billionaires live in Jackson Hole they just pretend to.

    You don't need a lot of infrastructure to hold a winter olympics performance skiing is to give people something to do in areas where the snow isn't that great.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Wilkey

  25. I guess after the 2032 games are over (assuming they actually happen … Oz may still be under lockdown then), they can add a walk on the empty stadium field to the local eco-tours. The bus-tour in NSW’s Blue Mountains include a walk on the olympic stadium field, which seems to be its chief raison d’être nowadays.

  26. @Anon
    Chicago lost to Rio de Janeiro for the 2016 Olympics even though Chicago has all the facilities needed already built.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @follyofwar, @Jake Barnes

    My understanding is that Brazil lost billions hosting the games. They had to build a whole new infrastructure, most of which now stands idle. Plus, they built a brand new golf course, now overgrown with weeds.

    I wonder how many billions Japan lost in this one year postponed, Covid plagued, fan-less Olympics. 80% of Japanese didn’t want it. Prime sponsor Toyota pulled out at the last minute.

    It’s amazing that any city still wants to host the games. They lost their appeal when it changed from an amateur competition to allowing millionaire NBA b-ballers, NHL skaters, pro tennis, and pro golfers in. I think that many in the last four sports would prefer not to go, but play out of a sense of obligation. Just look at how many top tennis players and top golfers who opted out.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @follyofwar

    Pro golfers like getting paid for winning, but the Olympics doesn't pay. Golf has amateur tournaments.

  27. @Anon
    Chicago lost to Rio de Janeiro for the 2016 Olympics even though Chicago has all the facilities needed already built.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @follyofwar, @Jake Barnes

    That was fine since the episode made Obama look like a tit.

  28. Atlanta was a long shot to host the Olympic games of 1996 and it worked out well for Atlanta in the coming years after the Olympics as for growth and business. Montreal which hosted the games 20 years before in 1976, was almost crushed by hosting the games. It would take Montreal 30 years to pay off the debt that city incurred in hosting the 1976 Olympics. Now 1976 Montreal was a world class city while 1996 Atlanta was not. Matter of fact some of the visiting guests were confusing Atlanta with Atlantic City and expected to see a boardwalk and casinos. hehe. IF memory serves me, the rowing events were held in the city of Gainesville about an hour or so drive from Atlanta on Lake Lanier. Gainesville is just outside of “Deliverance” Country. Can’t quite count all the times the tune Dueling Banjos was played when talk centered around the upcoming Olympic games in Atlanta. Of course when one thinks of the Atlanta Olympics, the first thing and possibly the only thing one remembers is the bombing.

    Cities like Brisbane should have opportunities to host Olympic games. Atlanta proved that lesser cities have the ability to host the Olympics and sometimes do a better job of it than more established cities like Montreal. Can you imagine NYC or Chicago trying to host the Olympics right now? Talk about a disaster ready to happen. IF Baltimore/Washington were not such ghetto shitholes run by corrupt Black politicians, that area needs an Olympics more than anyone. Atlanta’s economy and skyline boomed after the Olympic games and the metro population grew by over 2 million. A town like Baltimore might be considered too small even thought the metro is the same size as Brisbane and when you add Washington, we are talking between 9-10 million people in that area. And you won’t have to travel 45-60 minutes to hold the rowing events.

    Paris, Tokyo, Rome, Rio, blah, blah, give some non-global cities a chance. San Diego? Would be a great place to hold an Olympics. IF 1996 Atlanta could pull it off and make it a profitable experience than why couldn’t a town like San Diego.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Trinity

    If Brisbane does well, then San Diego would be a reasonable choice, especially if some events that require specialized facilities like a velodrome could be held in L.A.

  29. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:

    I just wonder how much of the Greek debt crisis was linked to the 2004 Athens Olympics?

    How much popular discontent was shipped up in the former USSR and eastern Europe states about the money and resources squandered in the 1980 Moscow Olympics, which coincided with unrest in Poland and dissatisfaction in the USSR?

    And the debts of the 1976 Montreal Olympics.

    I’ve long held the opinion that the general population is indifferent to hosting the Games. But politicians – and their vanity and egos, area different matter.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    That's why it's so weird that L.A. turned a profit in 1984.

    Not many tourists came because of fears of terrorism, smog, and traffic jams. But locals turned out in huge numbers for events.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  30. In contrast, the Winter Olympics should be fine: the next two are in Beijing and Milan-Cortina. After that, possibilities include Jackson Hole, St. Moritz, Aspen, Whistler, Park City, Bozeman, Stowe, Lake Tahoe, Sun Valley, Bretton Woods and Coeur d’Alene, before the final retreat to Reykjavik in perpetuity in the later 21st Century.

    I say:

    I always thought it meant Heart Of Lion in French for that Idaho town but I guess I was wrong.

    Why do the Los Angeles law enforcement officers move to Heart Of Awl when they retire?

    Where does Sailer get the know how to write this bit?:

    In 1984, Los Angeles just ordered up a lot of crepe paper in an au courant color scheme called Festive Federalism to decorate its old ballparks, and everybody who went loved it.

    Does Sailer speak French?

    Speaking of law enforcement, have I mentioned recently that Biden and Harris and Garland should be arrested for aiding and abetting the illegal alien invader invasion of the USA? How about my patriotic call to arrest Biden and Harris and Garland, and then put them on trial for harboring illegal alien invaders and aiding and abetting the illegal alien invader invasion of the USA and then putting Biden and Garland and Harris in prison if they’re found guilty?

    Sailer using French type words makes me think of all the writers I used to read who would describe trees and plants and bushes and vines and flowers and they seemed to know every descriptive term and name for them and David Byrne says that names make all the difference in the world.

    AWE CURRENT?

    Awls for making holes to place rivets for aluminum downspout fasteners and if that antipodean place only gets an inch of rain a month there might not be much need for gutters or leaders.

    Awl brings up Ought the word that Dinkins liked and White Core America OUGHT not tolerate another second of anti-White crap like Critical Race Theory and nation-wrecking Mass Legal Immigration and Mass Illegal Immigration Invasion and REFUGEE OVERLOAD and ASYLUM SEEKER INUNDATION.

  31. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:

    Fun Fact:

    Brisbane golf courses have ‘pet’ Bull Sharks lurking in their water features.
    Apparently they were stranded their after heavy flooding.

  32. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:

    Somehow, the final retreat reminded me of The Last of the Winnebagos. As the states pass anti-RV laws one, by one, our heroes end up finally racing across NM (at night) after AZ outlaws RVs, to the last bastion of tolerance: TX.

  33. @Wilkey

    In contrast, the Winter Olympics should be fine: the next two are in Beijing and Milan-Cortina. After that, possibilities include Jackson Hole, St. Moritz, Aspen, Whistler, Park City, Bozeman, Stowe, Lake Tahoe, Sun Valley, Bretton Woods and Coeur d’Alene, before the final retreat to Reykjavik in perpetuity in the later 21st Century.
     
    You’re joking, right?

    Park City is a small town, and itself lacks the infrastructure to pull off an Olympics. Of course even Salt Lake City isn’t really that big - only about 200,000 people. It actually is one of the larger cities to have hosted a Winter Olympics.

    “Host cities” are usually (always?) really “host states” or “host “provinces” - or “host countries.” Which raises the question of why cities get the glory of identifying themselves as the host when the vast majority of the funding, infrastructure, and manpower comes from the host state or country.

    Sun Valley is quite small, and there isn’t much, big city-wise, that is near it. Jackson Hole is a small city in a very small state and has no big city really close by, either. Ditto for Bozeman, though Montana is a wee bit bigger than Wyoming. Coeur d’Alene is close to Spokane, which isn’t enormous but might be just big enough - but is also in a completely different state.

    Perhaps all the billionaires that live in Sun Valkey or Jackson Hole can fund the Olympic boondoggle with their own money, instead of leaning on taxpayers to fund it.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @anon, @Mike1

    Wilkey, Lake Placid in NY’s Adirondak mountains has twice hosted the Winter Olympics. Not too many large cities in any mountains. Olympics as a for profit event, billionaire funded, makes sense to me.

  34. About time they went to a Black country.

    See also:

    The flight to black.

  35. Will Australia be opening up by then?

    They should put the Olympics in Greece and let them stay there forever.

  36. @AnonymousNameChange
    We're all going to be under the immediately present and gilded rule of the people who control "7ft tall basketball shooting robots" at that point. Biometric ID registered conservatives and nu-dissidents will be gloating about it being "The Worst Rated Olympics Ever!"

    Discourse among people who count themselves in the "those who can see" sphere has become so stupid, neutered, and divorced from meaningfully mapping the current trajectory that maybe we just deserve it at this point. Don't get me wrong, I haven't worked out any solutions to what looks to be an almost impossible problem, but I've about had my fill of the "point out the hypocrisies" and "gloat about minor falterings of system that continues to roll you" genres.

    Replies: @Alfa158

    “Don’t get me wrong, I haven’t worked out any solutions to what looks to be an almost impossible problem”
    In STEM it is known that some problems inherently can’t be fixed so all you can do is watch it play out and be prepared to ride it out as best you can.
    There is a joke about situations that you can’t fix. An old cowboy is in front of the fireplace regaling his grandkids with stories of his days in the Old West and he’s telling them about his encounter with a band of Comanches. “There I was kids, surrounded by fifty Comanche warriors. My horse had run been run off, I was out of ammo, the nearest cavalry was twenty miles off, the Injuns were closing in on me from all sides , howling for my blood!” The wide-eyed moppets asked “Gosh Grandpa, what happened then?” The old cowboy replied “Well kids, then I got killed!”
    Things aren’t going to get turned around. What is accomplished with this discourse is to take the first step which is to expand the circle of people who are aware of what is going on and why. That by itself doesn’t stop the process but it is a necessary pre-condition for being ready to do what is needed, whatever that might be.

    • Agree: Polistra, Charon
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Alfa158

    Alfa, and to finish the tale...the grandkids say..."But grandpa you are still alive." And the old man replies..."You call this living?"

    , @AnonymousNameChange
    @Alfa158

    My point is that to the extent that discourse hasn't gone backwards (it has), it's going in circles. And none of us are going to be in any position to do anything by the time that 7ft Tall Basketball Shooting Robots are sufficiently inexpensive, save for continuing to gloat about the ratings for the Olympics and the Oscars being down YET AGAIN! But if you gloat too hard and get issued a ticket, you'd better be sufficiently contrite after the money is taken from your account, or else.

    The discourse is failing at what you think it's accomplishing because it is redundant and naive.

  37. There’s a giant blacks and IQ piece at the New Yorker.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/08/02/can-affirmative-action-survive

    • Replies: @res
    @Anon

    Thanks. It looks that article was prompted by the Harvard lawsuit being under consideration.

    I thought that was a good article. I wonder how this (Harvard lawsuit and the surrounding conversation) is going to play out.

  38. Perhaps all the billionaires that live in Sun Valkey or Jackson Hole can fund the Olympic boondoggle with their own money, instead of leaning on taxpayers to fund it.

    That’s not how you become or remain a billionaire.

  39. It is just not building the venue. Finding space for temp workers and security personnel is massive. Building up the security infrastructure for the games is very expensive. I was at a federal level meeting where the security for the 2002 Salt Lake City Winter Olympics was discussed. Between the large number of personnel, the camera, sensors, detectors, and training, security is a huge issue that is not talked about on NBC during the games.

    What was interesting is the protection needs not just for the athletes but the security personnel and the venue workers. McDonalds was housing its temp employees in Tooele Utah more than 40 miles from the in city venues and much farther to the skiing venues.

  40. I assume the IOC does some kind of analysis of a location’s ability to get the requisite number of athletes and support personnel to a city through its airport, but my first thought is that Brisbane might struggle with that and a lot of visitors might have to fly into Sydney and drive a couple hundred miles if there are not enough regional flights to connect.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Arclight

    There is enough time to do an airport expansion. What really hurts most Olympics is the creation of too many new facilities that are not needed, maintained, or used after the Olympics.

    , @dearieme
    @Arclight

    drive a couple hundred miles

    I think Oz is bigger than you imagine it to be.

    , @The Alarmist
    @Arclight


    ... Brisbane might struggle with that and a lot of visitors might have to fly into Sydney and drive a couple hundred miles if there are not enough regional flights to connect.
     
    Last time I flew to Brisbane, it was a direct flight from Singapore ... then again, that was pre-Clown-World.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Arclight

    Brisbane is not exactly 'a couple hundred miles' from Sydney; it's more like 600 miles. Those involved will need to fly there.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Arclight

    The tourist paradise of the Gold Coast is less than 50 miles from Brisbane. The athletes would love it.


    The Gold Coast is a major tourist destination with a sunny, subtropical climate and has become widely known for its world-class surfing beaches, high-rise dominated skyline, theme parks, nightlife, and rainforest hinterland. The city is part of the nation's entertainment industry with television productions and a major film industry.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Coast,_Queensland
  41. @Ozzie
    Bonus for Brissie is that just down the road on the Gold Coast they successfully hosted the commonwealth games a couple years ago, so plenty of freshly built stadia and public transport to link the general area together. The only worry will be trying to hold the triathlon in the “brown snake” aka the Brisbane River. I pity those athletes

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @Ed Case

    Won’t they need to take precautions against Saltwater Crocs and Box Jellyfish?

  42. anon[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey

    In contrast, the Winter Olympics should be fine: the next two are in Beijing and Milan-Cortina. After that, possibilities include Jackson Hole, St. Moritz, Aspen, Whistler, Park City, Bozeman, Stowe, Lake Tahoe, Sun Valley, Bretton Woods and Coeur d’Alene, before the final retreat to Reykjavik in perpetuity in the later 21st Century.
     
    You’re joking, right?

    Park City is a small town, and itself lacks the infrastructure to pull off an Olympics. Of course even Salt Lake City isn’t really that big - only about 200,000 people. It actually is one of the larger cities to have hosted a Winter Olympics.

    “Host cities” are usually (always?) really “host states” or “host “provinces” - or “host countries.” Which raises the question of why cities get the glory of identifying themselves as the host when the vast majority of the funding, infrastructure, and manpower comes from the host state or country.

    Sun Valley is quite small, and there isn’t much, big city-wise, that is near it. Jackson Hole is a small city in a very small state and has no big city really close by, either. Ditto for Bozeman, though Montana is a wee bit bigger than Wyoming. Coeur d’Alene is close to Spokane, which isn’t enormous but might be just big enough - but is also in a completely different state.

    Perhaps all the billionaires that live in Sun Valkey or Jackson Hole can fund the Olympic boondoggle with their own money, instead of leaning on taxpayers to fund it.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @anon, @Mike1

    Boondoggle is right. Poor/small countries that can ill afford these stadiums and infrastructure were goaded into hosting these games as a way to announce their arrival on the world stage, like Sydney, Greece and Rio, but in reality they are left with nothing but white elephants to rust and decay, like the vaunted Bird’s Nest stadium in Beijing. Twenty years ago Australia was seen as a backwater country full of snakes, hicks and rednecks who spoke weird unintelligible English and ate inedible food like vegemite, but at least they were unique. These days they are just seen as a poorer imitation of America, another victim of globohomo. Only now you can add “meathead” to the distinction owing to the success of their swimmers. So the only things they got out of the 2000 Games are a country full of meatheads and a nod from globohomo. Greece and Brazil got nothing out of theirs except debt and crumbling stadiums.

    And they keep adding more sports so it becomes ever more expensive to host these games. The Tokyo Games are the most expensive games ever, with Tokyo expecting to lose $20B. Surfing, rugby and skateboarding are new to these games. Surfing and rugby were probably added for Australia’s benefit, and skateboarding for USA’s. Skateboarding absolutely does not belong in the Olympics. It is a sport of street urchins and thugs, yet another sport that only the young and stupid would do, no helmet because helmets are not cool, so now we’re encouraging more kids to crack their skulls so NBC can make more money off of them. The Gold and silver medalists for the “women’s” are both only 13, talk about child exploitation. They want to compete with the X games, but even young people have stopped watching the X Games. Tony Hawk is 53 now, how cool can you still be at 53? Even Shaun White is now 34 and no longer cool.

    What ridiculous “sports” will they add next? Parkour? Formula One? Camel racing? Video gaming? By all means let’s make these games ever more grandiose and expensive to host.

    • Agree: Wilkey
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    Parkour sounds likely.

    Video gaming would be popular with Today's Youth.

    , @Wilkey
    @anon

    Exactly.

    The best solution is to stop moving it around. The modern Olympics were started by Europeans - so keep them in Europe. They were based on the Ancient Greek games, so keep them in Greece, where they started. Greece has the venues from 2004 (assuming they haven't already gone to rot) and it's economy could definitely use the quadrennial influx of cash.

    At bare minimum at least keep them in the same place for five Olympiads or so. But that would reduce the opportunities for bribery and graft, and maybe the PR benefit of being in a new city every four years. The additional PR hardly seems worth the cost of all the new infrastructure, not to mention the catastrophe of each new city having to figure out the logistics of how to run the damn thing.

    To be fair, Salt Lake City/Utah seems to have gotten decent use out of the venues it built for the 2002 Olympics. But as I noted above, Salt Lake City - with a metro area over 2 million people - is actually one of the larger cities to host a Winter Olympics. The combination of a large and still fast growing city running the smaller of the two Olympics meant that it didn't need to build venues beyond what its population could use after the games were over.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

  43. @Buffalo Joe
    @Anon

    NineNineFour, Chicago is not fit to hold any event safely. obama sent michelle, oprah, valerie jarret and rahm emmanuel to secure the bid. This, after knocking down acres of public housing for a site. I think it is a powerful statement when Chicago, with its "Magnificent Mile" loses out to Rio and its favelas. obama's library is apparently in limbo as the few sane thinkers in the city see no need to tear up acres of park for his egotorium. Chicago most important facilities, their ERs, are quite full of shooting victims.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Anon

    obama’s library is apparently in limbo as the few sane thinkers in the city see no need to tear up acres of park for his egotorium.

    Egotorium is very good, Joe. It would certainly be a big building.

    • Agree: res
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Jim Don Bob

    Egotorium!

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Jim Don Bob

    You know, Jackson Park is pretty near Chicago's Museum of Science & Industry so it would be appropriate for Disney to install an animatronic Barack & Michelle Obama there, maybe doing a comedy routine on the suckers voting for HRC but loosing to Trump because of the electorial collage.

  44. [MORE]

    This is where a lot of normies are. It’s impressive really in a way, but that obliviousness has now been weaponized.

  45. OK, I can see the IOC’s logic: Brisbane won’t have BLM riots, even in 2032.

    I doubt it has to do with any of that. And there’s no need to do it always in Reijkjavik. Rio hosted a successful Olympics a few years ago. The Olympics are sort of the original Globalist event, and they have the resources and the security and the know-how to do with in most places (well, perhaps not Subsaharan Africa, not even in South Africa these days).

    I think it’s more that, lots of countries now realize it’s a scam, they have to spend much less than they get, they invest a lot in useless things, not so many people are interested in those random sports (now even skateboard!), so, it’s not worth it.

  46. I am quite proud that my fellow Coloradans voted to refuse the 1976 Winter Olympics. They had been selected, but a grass-roots campaign resulted in a referendum that turned the whole thing down.

    The bobsled/luge run was slated to be built on a mountainside right over our lake in our town, just down the road from my house. It would have been an everlasting scar.

    I still have a “76” Colorado winter hat that I wear skiing. It dates from then, and it has the logo of the upcoming but not-to-happen games.

    • Replies: @e
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Squaw Valley in CA hosted the 1960 Winter Olympics, the ski jumps and the decrepit skating rink were quite depressing by 1967 when I first laid eyes on them. Olympic Village was an eyesore.

    Actually, I enjoyed watching the Winter Olympics much more than the Summer.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @James Speaks
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I still have a Nixon/Agnew campaign button.

  47. The Olys are dead.

  48. @Buzz Mohawk
    I am quite proud that my fellow Coloradans voted to refuse the 1976 Winter Olympics. They had been selected, but a grass-roots campaign resulted in a referendum that turned the whole thing down.

    The bobsled/luge run was slated to be built on a mountainside right over our lake in our town, just down the road from my house. It would have been an everlasting scar.

    I still have a "76" Colorado winter hat that I wear skiing. It dates from then, and it has the logo of the upcoming but not-to-happen games.

    Replies: @e, @James Speaks

    Squaw Valley in CA hosted the 1960 Winter Olympics, the ski jumps and the decrepit skating rink were quite depressing by 1967 when I first laid eyes on them. Olympic Village was an eyesore.

    Actually, I enjoyed watching the Winter Olympics much more than the Summer.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @e

    My father was scheduled to be on the ski patrol for those Squaw Valley Olympics.

    Unfortunately for him, I decided to be born two weeks early, so he stayed with Mom and me during the process.

    You see, we lived then a short distance away from there, and Dad was a skier. He missed the Olympics because of me.

    I'm not sure he ever forgave me for that.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Mike Tre

  49. 🇨🇺¡Havana 2036! 🇨🇺

  50. @e
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Squaw Valley in CA hosted the 1960 Winter Olympics, the ski jumps and the decrepit skating rink were quite depressing by 1967 when I first laid eyes on them. Olympic Village was an eyesore.

    Actually, I enjoyed watching the Winter Olympics much more than the Summer.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    My father was scheduled to be on the ski patrol for those Squaw Valley Olympics.

    Unfortunately for him, I decided to be born two weeks early, so he stayed with Mom and me during the process.

    You see, we lived then a short distance away from there, and Dad was a skier. He missed the Olympics because of me.

    I’m not sure he ever forgave me for that.

    • LOL: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz, go easy on yourself. What dad could have forgiven that?

    , @Mike Tre
    @Buzz Mohawk

    At least you're not Tyrion Lannister.

  51. [MORE]

    Can confirm. Rs fundamentally unserious. Creates a giant vacuum filled by mediocrity like Wokelism.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Desiderius

    Agree as I walk the bridge over Kinzingbear tears, recent radio headline still bothering ears: Leader McConnell patted on head by Pelosi^@#% for endorsing the willful debilitating of immune systems to Kentuckians. The Event is still before us and nothing will make sense til then, it's a reverse singularity. Maybe I will die a good death after all.
    But hey at least you got the jab and don't have to wear a -- wait a minute, "breaking news" in my text feed, if I give Trump money right now I get a "free" hat. No word about the election audit or Ashli or Saffas but hey, who wants a "free" hat?

  52. @Arclight
    I assume the IOC does some kind of analysis of a location's ability to get the requisite number of athletes and support personnel to a city through its airport, but my first thought is that Brisbane might struggle with that and a lot of visitors might have to fly into Sydney and drive a couple hundred miles if there are not enough regional flights to connect.

    Replies: @guest007, @dearieme, @The Alarmist, @The Last Real Calvinist, @YetAnotherAnon

    There is enough time to do an airport expansion. What really hurts most Olympics is the creation of too many new facilities that are not needed, maintained, or used after the Olympics.

  53. @JR Ewing
    Brisbane is all well and good, but what about COVID?!?!!?

    Meaning, Australia has committed itself to this crazy “one case is one too many” policy and appears willing to enforce it in perpetuity.

    Is 11 years enough time to have perfected holographic sports wherein the evil dirty foreign aliens and their diseases don’t have to set foot in their country?

    Yes, this is a bit tongue in cheek, but only slightly. Agreeing to welcome the world for the olympics is very inconsistent with Australia’s recent pattern of behavior, no?

    Replies: @BB753, @Reg Cæsar, @Joe Paluka

    Brisbane is all well and good, but what about COVID?!?!!?

    Meaning, Australia has committed itself to this crazy “one case is one too many” policy and appears willing to enforce it in perpetuity.

    You’d think social distancing would come naturally in one of the emptiest countries in the world. But Australia is like Canada, Brazil, Japan, Chile, Egypt, Norway, Scotland, and, to a lesser extent, China, Russia, and Indonesia, where most of the land is uninhabitable and everyone crams together into one or two little corners. No wonder they’re paranoid.

    America is really the odd-lady-out, gifted with pleasant latitudes in abundance. However, lately that has become more of a curse than a blessing. Too inviting.

    Thanks, though, for the opportunity to post this poster, finally, without an annoying click to Facebook:

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Reg Cæsar

    Outstanding!

  54. @Anon55uu
    The modernisation of Brisbane is a very recent development. There are some photos of the Gabba stadium here over time - it had a dog racing track around it until 1990.

    https://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/gabba/photos

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ed Case

    The modernisation of Brisbane is a very recent development. There are some photos of the Gabba stadium here over time – it had a dog racing track around it until 1990.

    How about a Faunalympics? All animals, except for riders and trainers. Besides dog, horse, and turtle racing, there could be dog-, cock-, bull-, and catfighting.

    Since the “South”, i.e., the wrongly-named “Third World”, is unlikely ever to be awarded an Olympics, this is a prize their cynicism, corruption, and desperation make them ideal candidates for competition.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar


    Since the “South”, i.e., the wrongly-named “Third World”, is unlikely ever to be awarded an Olympics,
     
    Mexico City -- 1968
    Rio -- 2016
    and arguably Beijing -- 2008. (Admittedly a special case, but in per capita income was still very much a middle income country.)

    Of course Mexico City, Rio and Beijing are hardly representative of their nations--much higher income. Still all three are only "middle income" nations. China's on a different "East Asian" tract--HBD. But Mexico and Brazil will be middle income for the foreseeable future--HBD--until there's some sort of gene therapy.

    If you mean there hasn't been an Olympics in any truly "poor" nation or Africa--sure.
  55. @Reg Cæsar
    @JR Ewing


    Brisbane is all well and good, but what about COVID?!?!!?

    Meaning, Australia has committed itself to this crazy “one case is one too many” policy and appears willing to enforce it in perpetuity.
     
    You'd think social distancing would come naturally in one of the emptiest countries in the world. But Australia is like Canada, Brazil, Japan, Chile, Egypt, Norway, Scotland, and, to a lesser extent, China, Russia, and Indonesia, where most of the land is uninhabitable and everyone crams together into one or two little corners. No wonder they're paranoid.


    America is really the odd-lady-out, gifted with pleasant latitudes in abundance. However, lately that has become more of a curse than a blessing. Too inviting.

    Thanks, though, for the opportunity to post this poster, finally, without an annoying click to Facebook:



    https://ufodays.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/ufo-days-2020.jpg?w=2016&h=1800&crop=1

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Outstanding!

  56. @countenance
    The 2030 Winters have only four serious bids, three of those four (Vancouver, Salt Lake, Sapporo) have already hosted, and the fourth (Barcelona) has already hosted a Summer.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Charon

    Barcelona or Sapporo would be pretty cool.

    Vancouver was too warm. SLC was kind of a dud.

  57. @dearieme
    "mid-winter late July to early August": when we lived in Brizzie we didn't call it "winter": it was The Dry. The weather is lovely. The other season is The Wet. Horrible. Humid the whole time. The only compensation is the frequency of dramatic electrical storms.

    Also, The Dry is cool enough that the snakes aren't a big worry.

    Replies: @Cortes, @AnotherDad

    Agree. I don’t get Steve’s “Brisbane?”

    Brisbane in July sounds perfect to me. And yeah “Brisbane?” is exactly what you want. The Olympics served as a city’s–and often a nation’s–international “coming out” party.

    Tokyo again–utterly lame. They had their post-War, “we’re back among the community of civilized nations, kicking commercial ass now” party back in 1964.

    Tokyo isn’t all of Japan. If Japan wanted to host my choice, Nagasaki, would have been better. “Our Olympics are a blast!”

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @AnotherDad

    No! NOOO!!

    Attention, world: Brisbane is a HORRIBLE place! It is terrifying and instant death! It is built on a poisonous swamp full of deadly nuclear radiation, it stinks to high heaven, and all of Brisbane is inhabited by flesh-eating mutant ZOMBIES!!

    DO NOT EVER COME TO BRISBANE! NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER!!

  58. In contrast, the Winter Olympics should be fine: the next two are in Beijing and Milan-Cortina. After that, possibilities include Jackson Hole, St. Moritz, Aspen, Whistler, Park City, Bozeman, Stowe, Lake Tahoe, Sun Valley, Bretton Woods and Coeur d’Alene, before the final retreat to Reykjavik in perpetuity in the later 21st Century

    .

    Nah I don’t want millions of idiots anywhere near my small state. Housing prices and traffic are bad enough.

  59. Maybe they can re-enact the Battle of Brisbane when a bunch of drunken Aussies attacked their putative allies because they were scoring with their womenfolk. The Aussies really just had a nervous breakdown on the homefront during WW2. I love how their soldiers looted their own town of Darwin after the Japs attacked. They’re having another breakdown now.

  60. @Buzz Mohawk
    I am quite proud that my fellow Coloradans voted to refuse the 1976 Winter Olympics. They had been selected, but a grass-roots campaign resulted in a referendum that turned the whole thing down.

    The bobsled/luge run was slated to be built on a mountainside right over our lake in our town, just down the road from my house. It would have been an everlasting scar.

    I still have a "76" Colorado winter hat that I wear skiing. It dates from then, and it has the logo of the upcoming but not-to-happen games.

    Replies: @e, @James Speaks

    I still have a Nixon/Agnew campaign button.

  61. Fifty years ago Brisbane was little more than a sleepy former colonial outpost most famous for hosting MacArthur’s headquarters during The Big One. Growth accelerated in late 70s and by the 80s the skyline was filled with construction cranes. New container shipping and cruise liner docks opened that city to the world.

    Along with growth came aspirations. By the 90s there really were plans for Brisbane to achieve parity with Sydney as an international city. If the Olympics are still a thing in 2032, it may be the thing which puts the city over the top.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    @KerryOwen

    plans for Brisbane to achieve parity with Sydney as an international city

    I do like Brizzie. But it doesn't have Sydney Harbour.

  62. @Arclight
    I assume the IOC does some kind of analysis of a location's ability to get the requisite number of athletes and support personnel to a city through its airport, but my first thought is that Brisbane might struggle with that and a lot of visitors might have to fly into Sydney and drive a couple hundred miles if there are not enough regional flights to connect.

    Replies: @guest007, @dearieme, @The Alarmist, @The Last Real Calvinist, @YetAnotherAnon

    drive a couple hundred miles

    I think Oz is bigger than you imagine it to be.

  63. @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon55uu


    The modernisation of Brisbane is a very recent development. There are some photos of the Gabba stadium here over time – it had a dog racing track around it until 1990.
     
    How about a Faunalympics? All animals, except for riders and trainers. Besides dog, horse, and turtle racing, there could be dog-, cock-, bull-, and catfighting.

    Since the "South", i.e., the wrongly-named "Third World", is unlikely ever to be awarded an Olympics, this is a prize their cynicism, corruption, and desperation make them ideal candidates for competition.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Since the “South”, i.e., the wrongly-named “Third World”, is unlikely ever to be awarded an Olympics,

    Mexico City — 1968
    Rio — 2016
    and arguably Beijing — 2008. (Admittedly a special case, but in per capita income was still very much a middle income country.)

    Of course Mexico City, Rio and Beijing are hardly representative of their nations–much higher income. Still all three are only “middle income” nations. China’s on a different “East Asian” tract–HBD. But Mexico and Brazil will be middle income for the foreseeable future–HBD–until there’s some sort of gene therapy.

    If you mean there hasn’t been an Olympics in any truly “poor” nation or Africa–sure.

  64. @Paperback Writer
    I'm having lotsa fun watching the US team implode, although I have nothing against Katy Ledecky.

    I'm just praying that US Men's b-ball crashes, and as for the women's "soccer" team, I hope Megan Rapinoe collapses on the field. I wish her transgender opponents.

    Replies: @tr, @Anonymous, @Inquiring Mind, @pyrrhus

    I wish her middle school boy opponents.

  65. Anon[143] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: New York Times columnist Katie Benner who called for Trump supporters to be labelled enemies of the state turns out to be Chinese. She lived and wrote in China for many years, and she comes across like someone who was recruited to be a CCP agent during her time there. Her name, Katie Benner, sounds like she adopted it to hide her Chinese origin. She also hides her oriental eyes in her Twitter icon.

    She has a rough Mongolian face that would look perfectly at home standing in front of a yak and a yurt.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Benner

  66. @Desiderius


    https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1420388299064201220?s=20

    Can confirm. Rs fundamentally unserious. Creates a giant vacuum filled by mediocrity like Wokelism.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Agree as I walk the bridge over Kinzingbear tears, recent radio headline still bothering ears: Leader McConnell patted on head by Pelosi^@#% for endorsing the willful debilitating of immune systems to Kentuckians. The Event is still before us and nothing will make sense til then, it’s a reverse singularity. Maybe I will die a good death after all.
    But hey at least you got the jab and don’t have to wear a — wait a minute, “breaking news” in my text feed, if I give Trump money right now I get a “free” hat. No word about the election audit or Ashli or Saffas but hey, who wants a “free” hat?

  67. @Arclight
    I assume the IOC does some kind of analysis of a location's ability to get the requisite number of athletes and support personnel to a city through its airport, but my first thought is that Brisbane might struggle with that and a lot of visitors might have to fly into Sydney and drive a couple hundred miles if there are not enough regional flights to connect.

    Replies: @guest007, @dearieme, @The Alarmist, @The Last Real Calvinist, @YetAnotherAnon

    … Brisbane might struggle with that and a lot of visitors might have to fly into Sydney and drive a couple hundred miles if there are not enough regional flights to connect.

    Last time I flew to Brisbane, it was a direct flight from Singapore … then again, that was pre-Clown-World.

  68. @Alfa158
    @AnonymousNameChange

    “Don’t get me wrong, I haven’t worked out any solutions to what looks to be an almost impossible problem”
    In STEM it is known that some problems inherently can’t be fixed so all you can do is watch it play out and be prepared to ride it out as best you can.
    There is a joke about situations that you can’t fix. An old cowboy is in front of the fireplace regaling his grandkids with stories of his days in the Old West and he’s telling them about his encounter with a band of Comanches. “There I was kids, surrounded by fifty Comanche warriors. My horse had run been run off, I was out of ammo, the nearest cavalry was twenty miles off, the Injuns were closing in on me from all sides , howling for my blood!” The wide-eyed moppets asked “Gosh Grandpa, what happened then?” The old cowboy replied “Well kids, then I got killed!”
    Things aren’t going to get turned around. What is accomplished with this discourse is to take the first step which is to expand the circle of people who are aware of what is going on and why. That by itself doesn’t stop the process but it is a necessary pre-condition for being ready to do what is needed, whatever that might be.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @AnonymousNameChange

    Alfa, and to finish the tale…the grandkids say…”But grandpa you are still alive.” And the old man replies…”You call this living?”

    • LOL: Polistra
  69. @Buzz Mohawk
    @e

    My father was scheduled to be on the ski patrol for those Squaw Valley Olympics.

    Unfortunately for him, I decided to be born two weeks early, so he stayed with Mom and me during the process.

    You see, we lived then a short distance away from there, and Dad was a skier. He missed the Olympics because of me.

    I'm not sure he ever forgave me for that.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Mike Tre

    Buzz, go easy on yourself. What dad could have forgiven that?

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
  70. My feeling is that tension with China can only rise over time. By 2032, it will be the perfect storm for the Olympics-boycott game to commence. Russia might join in with China and other nations to boycott this Olympics. Who knows, it might even start earlier with Beijing 2022, LA 2028…

  71. Steve going to gas chamber in 2032.

    finally!

  72. @JR Ewing
    Brisbane is all well and good, but what about COVID?!?!!?

    Meaning, Australia has committed itself to this crazy “one case is one too many” policy and appears willing to enforce it in perpetuity.

    Is 11 years enough time to have perfected holographic sports wherein the evil dirty foreign aliens and their diseases don’t have to set foot in their country?

    Yes, this is a bit tongue in cheek, but only slightly. Agreeing to welcome the world for the olympics is very inconsistent with Australia’s recent pattern of behavior, no?

    Replies: @BB753, @Reg Cæsar, @Joe Paluka

    By then they’ll have organized the Royal Australian Health Gestapo where machine gun toting enforcers wearing Khaki colored bermuda shorts and knee socks with pith helmets and dingleballs, will roam the cities and countryside looking for violators that aren’t wearing masks or have missed their six month booster shots. Violators will be beaten with a boomerang (to honor the Abos) and forcibly vaxed with their choice of Pfizer, Moderna or Astrazenica or a cocktail mix of the three. Repeat offenders will be beaten to death by drunken Abos, worked up to the occasion by gallons of free Fosters laced with meth and energy drinks. Australia will then be a safe place for the Olympics where Australia will have it’s place in the sun, winning golds in the new Olympic sports of boomerang tossing, Croc Wrestling and Fosters drinking.

    • LOL: Captain Tripps
  73. I repeat, the Olympic Games finished in 393 AD. Archaeological evidence suggests they carried on for a few more years but there is no textual evidence of the Games in the 5th century AD.

    This modern nonsense masquerading as the Olympics has become a monstrosity. Cheer leading an Olympic sport! Ridiculous. They even removed Greco-Roman wrestling before reinstating it.

    The last great modern Olympics was 2004. Although, I attended two events, but there was a village festival beckoning on my cousin’s the island of Ikaria; and like most Greeks, I ditched being told to wait in line and eat bad stadium food, and headed off for paradise to eat, drink and dance with family and friends and did not return to Athens that summer.

  74. Sorry Steve I didn’t read what you wrote & I’m immediately responding to the headline. How could the 2032 Olympics possibly be in Australia? In order to maintain zero covid the aussies & the kiwis must lock down their islands forever. I feel as though New Zealand in particular has leveraged the convenience of Covid to implement a “Christchurch” style migration policy.

  75. @22pp22
    How depressing! I've just moved to Brisbane. I am not watching the Olympics as NZ is being represented by a dude in the women's weightlifting. If is 'wins', it will be a day of national shame.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    S/he weightlifting is the only event I’m going to program into my DVR.

    Olympic bids are still taxpayer unfriendly: “We can’t knock down the Coliseum! We could use it to host the 2,096 games.” I once walked past that olympic stadium in Montreal, at a time after the Expos had skipped town.

    What a s*hole. Taxpayers were probably still paying for it.

    [MORE]

    How can Alaska be home to a gold medal swimmer? I doubt it sends anyone to the Winter games.

    Youth sports is a real pay-to-play business. Those world record breakers must either have rich parents, or else long term, corporate sponsors.

    I can’t stand the blue blooded, socialist aristocrats who run the IOOC. Has a member of the British royal family won the equestrian medal this time?

  76. OK, I can see the IOC’s logic: Brisbane won’t have BLM riots, even in 2032.

    “Oh wait, what’s this in my toolbox, a hammer… wait where are all my other tools? Ah, well, let me go drill in this screw…”

  77. the best idea is to have 5 or 6 sites where all the facilities are already built, then rotate the games between those places. instead of building everything new in every new city. this will bring the cost way down. 80% of the facilities are never used again, because the olympics are about 80% sports nobody plays.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @prime noticer

    That's basically the reason for going to Los Angeles a third time.

  78. “San Diego: a nice, fast-growing place but only the third city of California, one without much history.”

    Exactly. San Diego is a right wing beach beach town with a military base. No need for anyone to come to San Diego. Stay away.

    • LOL: Trinity
  79. Is civilization gonna make it to 2032?

    Serious question. Lets see what this flu season bodes first. Talk next April about far-off stuff.

  80. Anon[944] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    @Anon

    NineNineFour, Chicago is not fit to hold any event safely. obama sent michelle, oprah, valerie jarret and rahm emmanuel to secure the bid. This, after knocking down acres of public housing for a site. I think it is a powerful statement when Chicago, with its "Magnificent Mile" loses out to Rio and its favelas. obama's library is apparently in limbo as the few sane thinkers in the city see no need to tear up acres of park for his egotorium. Chicago most important facilities, their ERs, are quite full of shooting victims.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Anon

    Chicago is not even in the top 35 most violent cities in the US. The public housing came down during the Daley Administration years before the Olympic bid, ironically because the land was so valuable and in demand for upscale housing. Chicago isn’t any worse than any other American city. It is funny how the people who drone on on how the mainstream media lies, believe it when it tells them something they want to hear.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    I'd say that Chicago is a pretty average city for black crime. It's just that NYC got really good at policing, and LA had some good things happen too, so #3 Chicago wound up as #1 for most annual murders.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @res
    @Anon


    Chicago is not even in the top 35 most violent cities in the US.
     
    Measured how? This site has it at #20.
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-violent-cities-in-america

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Anon

    NineFourFour, you are delusional. The "Magnificent Mile" is now a shell of its former glory, conventions cancelled and double digit shootings ever weekend. that is Chicago today.

  81. Had a port call in Brisbane with the Marines in 1999. It was by far the best port call we had and I loved every minute of the 4 days we were there.

    But the Olympics are bad. Like someone said in an earlier thread, when nationalism is killed, there is little interest in a nationalistic event.

  82. @Buzz Mohawk
    @e

    My father was scheduled to be on the ski patrol for those Squaw Valley Olympics.

    Unfortunately for him, I decided to be born two weeks early, so he stayed with Mom and me during the process.

    You see, we lived then a short distance away from there, and Dad was a skier. He missed the Olympics because of me.

    I'm not sure he ever forgave me for that.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Mike Tre

    At least you’re not Tyrion Lannister.

  83. @AnotherDad
    @dearieme

    Agree. I don't get Steve's "Brisbane?"

    Brisbane in July sounds perfect to me. And yeah "Brisbane?" is exactly what you want. The Olympics served as a city's--and often a nation's--international "coming out" party.

    Tokyo again--utterly lame. They had their post-War, "we're back among the community of civilized nations, kicking commercial ass now" party back in 1964.

    Tokyo isn't all of Japan. If Japan wanted to host my choice, Nagasaki, would have been better. "Our Olympics are a blast!"

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    No! NOOO!!

    Attention, world: Brisbane is a HORRIBLE place! It is terrifying and instant death! It is built on a poisonous swamp full of deadly nuclear radiation, it stinks to high heaven, and all of Brisbane is inhabited by flesh-eating mutant ZOMBIES!!

    DO NOT EVER COME TO BRISBANE! NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER!!

  84. @countenance
    The 2030 Winters have only four serious bids, three of those four (Vancouver, Salt Lake, Sapporo) have already hosted, and the fourth (Barcelona) has already hosted a Summer.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Charon

    Barcelona is quite pleasant in the wintertime, but where will the downhill skiing events be held? Somewhere in the Pyrenees?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Charon

    Yes.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Charon


    Barcelona is quite pleasant in the wintertime, but where will the downhill skiing events be held? Somewhere in the Pyrenees?
     
    Andorra!

    Actually, slalom canoeing was held just outside of the principality in 1992, and rowing was also closer to Andorra than to host city Barcelona.

    A friend who attended the former said it was a blessèd relief from the steambath the city constituted that week. I felt the same about the fencing competition-- eight hours in air conditioning.

    Synchronized swimming, however, was held outside in something like Arecibo, meant to collect solar rays. The marathon was cruel and unusual punishment.

    Replies: @Charon

  85. …Paris for 2024…

    What’s the likelihood the Islamists will successfully stage at least one (1) massacre at the Paris Olympics in 2024?

    50 percent?

    75?

    More?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Servant of Gla'aki


    What’s the likelihood the Islamists will successfully stage at least one (1) massacre at the Paris Olympics in 2024?
     
    If you live in the host country, you have to get your tickets directly from the Olympic committee. Anywhere else, it's from the authorized representative in your land. For the US in 1992, this was Olson, and sales were conducted by their Los Angeles branch.

    When I called this office to clarify something about my ticket order, I got a recording that they were closed for the day due to the Rodney King riots.


    https://cloud10.todocoleccion.online/coleccionismo-pins/tc/2019/04/02/17/158272654.webp

  86. @Charon
    @countenance

    Barcelona is quite pleasant in the wintertime, but where will the downhill skiing events be held? Somewhere in the Pyrenees?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

    Yes.

  87. @Charon
    @countenance

    Barcelona is quite pleasant in the wintertime, but where will the downhill skiing events be held? Somewhere in the Pyrenees?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

    Barcelona is quite pleasant in the wintertime, but where will the downhill skiing events be held? Somewhere in the Pyrenees?

    Andorra!

    Actually, slalom canoeing was held just outside of the principality in 1992, and rowing was also closer to Andorra than to host city Barcelona.

    A friend who attended the former said it was a blessèd relief from the steambath the city constituted that week. I felt the same about the fencing competition– eight hours in air conditioning.

    Synchronized swimming, however, was held outside in something like Arecibo, meant to collect solar rays. The marathon was cruel and unusual punishment.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @Reg Cæsar


    blessèd
     
    Nice touch!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  88. @Servant of Gla'aki

    ...Paris for 2024...
     
    What's the likelihood the Islamists will successfully stage at least one (1) massacre at the Paris Olympics in 2024?

    50 percent?

    75?

    More?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    What’s the likelihood the Islamists will successfully stage at least one (1) massacre at the Paris Olympics in 2024?

    If you live in the host country, you have to get your tickets directly from the Olympic committee. Anywhere else, it’s from the authorized representative in your land. For the US in 1992, this was Olson, and sales were conducted by their Los Angeles branch.

    When I called this office to clarify something about my ticket order, I got a recording that they were closed for the day due to the Rodney King riots.

  89. The Olympics made bank when it was the Cold War, because it was a substitute for war, as Steve’s earlier post about Orwell and England alluded to.

    I recall my whole family being fascinated with medal counts and hating those evil “East German judges” who invariably ranked our girls lower than all the others in figure skating and gymnastics.

    But the end of the Cold War and our victory laps are over, so ratings went down. The only reason to watch is either Wide World of Sports-like interest in lesser sports that never get highlighted or patriotism.

    Then this year they went full America-hating, so patriots quit. Apparently, ratings are down 33% or something horrendous like that as the woke get no love. Maybe Biles dropping out was inspired by someone who saw her having trouble dealing with things and pushed her a bit so as to drum up interest in the non-watching public (“superstar gymnast quits!”)

  90. Yesterday I watched the first hour or so of the Opening Ceremony of the 1984 Olympics. I miss that America.

    The ceremony featured church bells, trumpet fanfare, a land rush of pioneers in covered wagons, 84 men playing 84 grand pianos, an enormous marching band of otherworldly talent… and the usual jabbering television commentators (Jim McKay and Peter Jennings) who didn’t know when to keep quiet.

    It was stunning to be reminded of how much the country has changed since 1984.

  91. Australians are keenly interested in a wide variety of sports, laid back and self-assured in their manner, nearly 90% white (afaik), more than two-thirds of British ancestry, and Australia is a spacious, English-speaking, first-world country.

    What’s not to like? Brisbane is a great choice.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @PiltdownMan

    What’s not to like?
     

    Simple. The fact that all of those good things are "in flux" and the trend is downward, just as in the other previously civilized countries.
  92. @Wilkey

    In contrast, the Winter Olympics should be fine: the next two are in Beijing and Milan-Cortina. After that, possibilities include Jackson Hole, St. Moritz, Aspen, Whistler, Park City, Bozeman, Stowe, Lake Tahoe, Sun Valley, Bretton Woods and Coeur d’Alene, before the final retreat to Reykjavik in perpetuity in the later 21st Century.
     
    You’re joking, right?

    Park City is a small town, and itself lacks the infrastructure to pull off an Olympics. Of course even Salt Lake City isn’t really that big - only about 200,000 people. It actually is one of the larger cities to have hosted a Winter Olympics.

    “Host cities” are usually (always?) really “host states” or “host “provinces” - or “host countries.” Which raises the question of why cities get the glory of identifying themselves as the host when the vast majority of the funding, infrastructure, and manpower comes from the host state or country.

    Sun Valley is quite small, and there isn’t much, big city-wise, that is near it. Jackson Hole is a small city in a very small state and has no big city really close by, either. Ditto for Bozeman, though Montana is a wee bit bigger than Wyoming. Coeur d’Alene is close to Spokane, which isn’t enormous but might be just big enough - but is also in a completely different state.

    Perhaps all the billionaires that live in Sun Valkey or Jackson Hole can fund the Olympic boondoggle with their own money, instead of leaning on taxpayers to fund it.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @anon, @Mike1

    Umm, Park City has already held the Olympics and has 100% of the infrastructure to hold a games tomorrow. Your Salt Lake metro numbers are wildly off and Park City is self evidently part of the Salt Lake area (despite the people who moved there from CA insisting they live in “PARK CITY” not UT or Salt Lake).

    Jackson Hole has no even moderate size city anywhere close to it. Pro tip: no billionaires live in Jackson Hole they just pretend to.

    You don’t need a lot of infrastructure to hold a winter olympics performance skiing is to give people something to do in areas where the snow isn’t that great.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Mike1


    Jackson Hole has no even moderate size city anywhere close to it
     
    And Lake Placid does?


    https://www.adirondackcouncil.org/vs-uploads/images/1479403401_Park%20Map+Key%202016Web_small.jpg

    But, yeah, Jackson is not Peking*, large enough to hold the Summer Olympics, and some forty times the population of Wyoming.

    Speaking of Peking, here's the motto for their games, coming in less than six months: Joyful Rendezvous Upon Pure Ice and Snow (纯洁的冰雪 激情的约会). Which Google Translate retranslates as "Pure snow, passionate dating".

    I didn't know blow was an aphrodisiac!


    https://mz.eastday.com/19897889.jpeg?imageslim

    *Other than being a hole.

    , @Wilkey
    @Mike1


    Umm, Park City has already held the Olympics and has 100% of the infrastructure to hold a games tomorrow. Your Salt Lake metro numbers are wildly off and Park City is self evidently part of the Salt Lake area (despite the people who moved there from CA insisting they live in “PARK CITY” not UT or Salt Lake).
     
    Well I live in the Salt Lake area and frequently ski in Park City, so I'm well aware of Park City's relative location and its history with the Olympics.

    My gripe was with the notion that "Park City" would be hosting the games, when virtually all of the money would be coming from the state and feds and most of the manpower to run it would be coming from neighboring cities. Most of the venues for the "Park City Olympics" would be in other cities, as well.

    Jackson Hole has no even moderate size city anywhere close to it. Pro tip: no billionaires live in Jackson Hole they just pretend to.
     
    Not exactly true. My brother once worked for a billionaire who had a home in Jackson Hole, and in fact his boss actually did spend a significant amount of time there. He knew of several other billionaires who spent a lot of time there, as well. Yes, a few of them live there mostly just for tax purposes, but in the summertime it's a rather beautiful place to be.

    Replies: @Mike1

  93. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paperback Writer
    I'm having lotsa fun watching the US team implode, although I have nothing against Katy Ledecky.

    I'm just praying that US Men's b-ball crashes, and as for the women's "soccer" team, I hope Megan Rapinoe collapses on the field. I wish her transgender opponents.

    Replies: @tr, @Anonymous, @Inquiring Mind, @pyrrhus

    I’m having lotsa fun watching the US team implode, although I have nothing against Katy Ledecky.

    I’m just praying that US Men’s b-ball crashes, and as for the women’s “soccer” team, I hope Megan Rapinoe collapses on the field. I wish her transgender opponents.

    My friends and I were in agreement that this is the very first of many Olympics we’ve seen where we we were all passionately rooting for our own country to lose. The notion of Rapinoe eating shit is such a fanciful treat. The loudest shit-talker offering the least merit. The Olympics is where reality still enjoys a little leverage.

    Perhaps rooting for reality is old school American as it gets.

    Nostalgia for when merit used to be the common coin of exchange, and all that.

  94. @Anon
    @Buffalo Joe

    Chicago is not even in the top 35 most violent cities in the US. The public housing came down during the Daley Administration years before the Olympic bid, ironically because the land was so valuable and in demand for upscale housing. Chicago isn't any worse than any other American city. It is funny how the people who drone on on how the mainstream media lies, believe it when it tells them something they want to hear.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @res, @Buffalo Joe

    I’d say that Chicago is a pretty average city for black crime. It’s just that NYC got really good at policing, and LA had some good things happen too, so #3 Chicago wound up as #1 for most annual murders.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    #3 Chicago
     
    Soon to be #4.

    (NYC is the only one of the top four US cities that Steve hasn't spent significant time in. Got an extra bed, Dan?)

    Replies: @Charon

  95. @Arclight
    I assume the IOC does some kind of analysis of a location's ability to get the requisite number of athletes and support personnel to a city through its airport, but my first thought is that Brisbane might struggle with that and a lot of visitors might have to fly into Sydney and drive a couple hundred miles if there are not enough regional flights to connect.

    Replies: @guest007, @dearieme, @The Alarmist, @The Last Real Calvinist, @YetAnotherAnon

    Brisbane is not exactly ‘a couple hundred miles’ from Sydney; it’s more like 600 miles. Those involved will need to fly there.

  96. @Mike1
    @Wilkey

    Umm, Park City has already held the Olympics and has 100% of the infrastructure to hold a games tomorrow. Your Salt Lake metro numbers are wildly off and Park City is self evidently part of the Salt Lake area (despite the people who moved there from CA insisting they live in "PARK CITY" not UT or Salt Lake).

    Jackson Hole has no even moderate size city anywhere close to it. Pro tip: no billionaires live in Jackson Hole they just pretend to.

    You don't need a lot of infrastructure to hold a winter olympics performance skiing is to give people something to do in areas where the snow isn't that great.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Wilkey

    Jackson Hole has no even moderate size city anywhere close to it

    And Lake Placid does?

    But, yeah, Jackson is not Peking*, large enough to hold the Summer Olympics, and some forty times the population of Wyoming.

    Speaking of Peking, here’s the motto for their games, coming in less than six months: Joyful Rendezvous Upon Pure Ice and Snow (纯洁的冰雪 激情的约会). Which Google Translate retranslates as “Pure snow, passionate dating”.

    I didn’t know blow was an aphrodisiac!

    *Other than being a hole.

  97. @prime noticer
    the best idea is to have 5 or 6 sites where all the facilities are already built, then rotate the games between those places. instead of building everything new in every new city. this will bring the cost way down. 80% of the facilities are never used again, because the olympics are about 80% sports nobody plays.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    That’s basically the reason for going to Los Angeles a third time.

  98. @Paperback Writer
    I'm having lotsa fun watching the US team implode, although I have nothing against Katy Ledecky.

    I'm just praying that US Men's b-ball crashes, and as for the women's "soccer" team, I hope Megan Rapinoe collapses on the field. I wish her transgender opponents.

    Replies: @tr, @Anonymous, @Inquiring Mind, @pyrrhus

    Speaking of aging women athletes, I thought killer whales (orcas) were creatures you didn’t want to get on bad terms with, but apparently, there is a demographic of killer whales from which you really want to steer clear

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/these-killer-whales-go-through-menopause/ar-AAMFLOh?ocid=msedgntp

  99. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    I'd say that Chicago is a pretty average city for black crime. It's just that NYC got really good at policing, and LA had some good things happen too, so #3 Chicago wound up as #1 for most annual murders.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    #3 Chicago

    Soon to be #4.

    (NYC is the only one of the top four US cities that Steve hasn’t spent significant time in. Got an extra bed, Dan?)

    • Replies: @Charon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Population of the "city proper" is an artificial and extremely outdated measure, entirely an artifact of early 20th-century [or older] political subdivision. The Consolidated or [now] Combined Statistical Area is the most meaningful metric of urban agglomeration.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area

    As of July 2021, Chicago is now 5th.

  100. @Jim Don Bob
    @Buffalo Joe


    obama’s library is apparently in limbo as the few sane thinkers in the city see no need to tear up acres of park for his egotorium.
     
    Egotorium is very good, Joe. It would certainly be a big building.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Joe Stalin

    Egotorium!

  101. @anon
    @Wilkey

    Boondoggle is right. Poor/small countries that can ill afford these stadiums and infrastructure were goaded into hosting these games as a way to announce their arrival on the world stage, like Sydney, Greece and Rio, but in reality they are left with nothing but white elephants to rust and decay, like the vaunted Bird's Nest stadium in Beijing. Twenty years ago Australia was seen as a backwater country full of snakes, hicks and rednecks who spoke weird unintelligible English and ate inedible food like vegemite, but at least they were unique. These days they are just seen as a poorer imitation of America, another victim of globohomo. Only now you can add "meathead" to the distinction owing to the success of their swimmers. So the only things they got out of the 2000 Games are a country full of meatheads and a nod from globohomo. Greece and Brazil got nothing out of theirs except debt and crumbling stadiums.

    And they keep adding more sports so it becomes ever more expensive to host these games. The Tokyo Games are the most expensive games ever, with Tokyo expecting to lose $20B. Surfing, rugby and skateboarding are new to these games. Surfing and rugby were probably added for Australia's benefit, and skateboarding for USA's. Skateboarding absolutely does not belong in the Olympics. It is a sport of street urchins and thugs, yet another sport that only the young and stupid would do, no helmet because helmets are not cool, so now we're encouraging more kids to crack their skulls so NBC can make more money off of them. The Gold and silver medalists for the "women's" are both only 13, talk about child exploitation. They want to compete with the X games, but even young people have stopped watching the X Games. Tony Hawk is 53 now, how cool can you still be at 53? Even Shaun White is now 34 and no longer cool.

    What ridiculous "sports" will they add next? Parkour? Formula One? Camel racing? Video gaming? By all means let's make these games ever more grandiose and expensive to host.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Wilkey

    Parkour sounds likely.

    Video gaming would be popular with Today’s Youth.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  102. @Jim Don Bob
    @Buffalo Joe


    obama’s library is apparently in limbo as the few sane thinkers in the city see no need to tear up acres of park for his egotorium.
     
    Egotorium is very good, Joe. It would certainly be a big building.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Joe Stalin

    You know, Jackson Park is pretty near Chicago’s Museum of Science & Industry so it would be appropriate for Disney to install an animatronic Barack & Michelle Obama there, maybe doing a comedy routine on the suckers voting for HRC but loosing to Trump because of the electorial collage.

  103. @anon
    @Wilkey

    Boondoggle is right. Poor/small countries that can ill afford these stadiums and infrastructure were goaded into hosting these games as a way to announce their arrival on the world stage, like Sydney, Greece and Rio, but in reality they are left with nothing but white elephants to rust and decay, like the vaunted Bird's Nest stadium in Beijing. Twenty years ago Australia was seen as a backwater country full of snakes, hicks and rednecks who spoke weird unintelligible English and ate inedible food like vegemite, but at least they were unique. These days they are just seen as a poorer imitation of America, another victim of globohomo. Only now you can add "meathead" to the distinction owing to the success of their swimmers. So the only things they got out of the 2000 Games are a country full of meatheads and a nod from globohomo. Greece and Brazil got nothing out of theirs except debt and crumbling stadiums.

    And they keep adding more sports so it becomes ever more expensive to host these games. The Tokyo Games are the most expensive games ever, with Tokyo expecting to lose $20B. Surfing, rugby and skateboarding are new to these games. Surfing and rugby were probably added for Australia's benefit, and skateboarding for USA's. Skateboarding absolutely does not belong in the Olympics. It is a sport of street urchins and thugs, yet another sport that only the young and stupid would do, no helmet because helmets are not cool, so now we're encouraging more kids to crack their skulls so NBC can make more money off of them. The Gold and silver medalists for the "women's" are both only 13, talk about child exploitation. They want to compete with the X games, but even young people have stopped watching the X Games. Tony Hawk is 53 now, how cool can you still be at 53? Even Shaun White is now 34 and no longer cool.

    What ridiculous "sports" will they add next? Parkour? Formula One? Camel racing? Video gaming? By all means let's make these games ever more grandiose and expensive to host.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Wilkey

    Exactly.

    The best solution is to stop moving it around. The modern Olympics were started by Europeans – so keep them in Europe. They were based on the Ancient Greek games, so keep them in Greece, where they started. Greece has the venues from 2004 (assuming they haven’t already gone to rot) and it’s economy could definitely use the quadrennial influx of cash.

    At bare minimum at least keep them in the same place for five Olympiads or so. But that would reduce the opportunities for bribery and graft, and maybe the PR benefit of being in a new city every four years. The additional PR hardly seems worth the cost of all the new infrastructure, not to mention the catastrophe of each new city having to figure out the logistics of how to run the damn thing.

    To be fair, Salt Lake City/Utah seems to have gotten decent use out of the venues it built for the 2002 Olympics. But as I noted above, Salt Lake City – with a metro area over 2 million people – is actually one of the larger cities to host a Winter Olympics. The combination of a large and still fast growing city running the smaller of the two Olympics meant that it didn’t need to build venues beyond what its population could use after the games were over.

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @Wilkey

    They went to rot a long time ago:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/2004-athens-olympics-venues-abandoned-today-photos-2012-8?op=1

  104. @Anon
    There's a giant blacks and IQ piece at the New Yorker.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/08/02/can-affirmative-action-survive

    Replies: @res

    Thanks. It looks that article was prompted by the Harvard lawsuit being under consideration.

    I thought that was a good article. I wonder how this (Harvard lawsuit and the surrounding conversation) is going to play out.

  105. @Anon
    @Buffalo Joe

    Chicago is not even in the top 35 most violent cities in the US. The public housing came down during the Daley Administration years before the Olympic bid, ironically because the land was so valuable and in demand for upscale housing. Chicago isn't any worse than any other American city. It is funny how the people who drone on on how the mainstream media lies, believe it when it tells them something they want to hear.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @res, @Buffalo Joe

    Chicago is not even in the top 35 most violent cities in the US.

    Measured how? This site has it at #20.
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-violent-cities-in-america

    • Replies: @Anon
    @res

    I apologize! I was going by FBI stats and CBS says they have it at 31 https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/the-most-dangerous-cities-in-america/20/

    Replies: @res

  106. @Anonymous
    I just wonder how much of the Greek debt crisis was linked to the 2004 Athens Olympics?

    How much popular discontent was shipped up in the former USSR and eastern Europe states about the money and resources squandered in the 1980 Moscow Olympics, which coincided with unrest in Poland and dissatisfaction in the USSR?

    And the debts of the 1976 Montreal Olympics.

    I've long held the opinion that the general population is indifferent to hosting the Games. But politicians - and their vanity and egos, area different matter.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    That’s why it’s so weird that L.A. turned a profit in 1984.

    Not many tourists came because of fears of terrorism, smog, and traffic jams. But locals turned out in huge numbers for events.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes my recollection is that LA residents really got into the Olympics and that even obscure soccer matches were selling out with 100,000 spectators who just wanted to pay a few bucks to say that they saw an Olympic event.

    That can happen when the Olympics is held in a country like the US where there are many people who have disposable incomes, but much less so in developing countries.

  107. @Trinity
    Atlanta was a long shot to host the Olympic games of 1996 and it worked out well for Atlanta in the coming years after the Olympics as for growth and business. Montreal which hosted the games 20 years before in 1976, was almost crushed by hosting the games. It would take Montreal 30 years to pay off the debt that city incurred in hosting the 1976 Olympics. Now 1976 Montreal was a world class city while 1996 Atlanta was not. Matter of fact some of the visiting guests were confusing Atlanta with Atlantic City and expected to see a boardwalk and casinos. hehe. IF memory serves me, the rowing events were held in the city of Gainesville about an hour or so drive from Atlanta on Lake Lanier. Gainesville is just outside of "Deliverance" Country. Can't quite count all the times the tune Dueling Banjos was played when talk centered around the upcoming Olympic games in Atlanta. Of course when one thinks of the Atlanta Olympics, the first thing and possibly the only thing one remembers is the bombing.

    Cities like Brisbane should have opportunities to host Olympic games. Atlanta proved that lesser cities have the ability to host the Olympics and sometimes do a better job of it than more established cities like Montreal. Can you imagine NYC or Chicago trying to host the Olympics right now? Talk about a disaster ready to happen. IF Baltimore/Washington were not such ghetto shitholes run by corrupt Black politicians, that area needs an Olympics more than anyone. Atlanta's economy and skyline boomed after the Olympic games and the metro population grew by over 2 million. A town like Baltimore might be considered too small even thought the metro is the same size as Brisbane and when you add Washington, we are talking between 9-10 million people in that area. And you won't have to travel 45-60 minutes to hold the rowing events.

    Paris, Tokyo, Rome, Rio, blah, blah, give some non-global cities a chance. San Diego? Would be a great place to hold an Olympics. IF 1996 Atlanta could pull it off and make it a profitable experience than why couldn't a town like San Diego.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    If Brisbane does well, then San Diego would be a reasonable choice, especially if some events that require specialized facilities like a velodrome could be held in L.A.

  108. @follyofwar
    @Anon

    My understanding is that Brazil lost billions hosting the games. They had to build a whole new infrastructure, most of which now stands idle. Plus, they built a brand new golf course, now overgrown with weeds.

    I wonder how many billions Japan lost in this one year postponed, Covid plagued, fan-less Olympics. 80% of Japanese didn't want it. Prime sponsor Toyota pulled out at the last minute.

    It's amazing that any city still wants to host the games. They lost their appeal when it changed from an amateur competition to allowing millionaire NBA b-ballers, NHL skaters, pro tennis, and pro golfers in. I think that many in the last four sports would prefer not to go, but play out of a sense of obligation. Just look at how many top tennis players and top golfers who opted out.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Pro golfers like getting paid for winning, but the Olympics doesn’t pay. Golf has amateur tournaments.

  109. @Mike1
    @Wilkey

    Umm, Park City has already held the Olympics and has 100% of the infrastructure to hold a games tomorrow. Your Salt Lake metro numbers are wildly off and Park City is self evidently part of the Salt Lake area (despite the people who moved there from CA insisting they live in "PARK CITY" not UT or Salt Lake).

    Jackson Hole has no even moderate size city anywhere close to it. Pro tip: no billionaires live in Jackson Hole they just pretend to.

    You don't need a lot of infrastructure to hold a winter olympics performance skiing is to give people something to do in areas where the snow isn't that great.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Wilkey

    Umm, Park City has already held the Olympics and has 100% of the infrastructure to hold a games tomorrow. Your Salt Lake metro numbers are wildly off and Park City is self evidently part of the Salt Lake area (despite the people who moved there from CA insisting they live in “PARK CITY” not UT or Salt Lake).

    Well I live in the Salt Lake area and frequently ski in Park City, so I’m well aware of Park City’s relative location and its history with the Olympics.

    My gripe was with the notion that “Park City” would be hosting the games, when virtually all of the money would be coming from the state and feds and most of the manpower to run it would be coming from neighboring cities. Most of the venues for the “Park City Olympics” would be in other cities, as well.

    Jackson Hole has no even moderate size city anywhere close to it. Pro tip: no billionaires live in Jackson Hole they just pretend to.

    Not exactly true. My brother once worked for a billionaire who had a home in Jackson Hole, and in fact his boss actually did spend a significant amount of time there. He knew of several other billionaires who spent a lot of time there, as well. Yes, a few of them live there mostly just for tax purposes, but in the summertime it’s a rather beautiful place to be.

    • Replies: @Mike1
    @Wilkey

    Your Park City point makes sense.

    Wealthy people do vacation in Jackson Hole. They also go to significant effort to prove they live there. They absolutely do not live there year round or even close to the 183 days legally required for tax residence. Jackson WY metro technically has the biggest income gap in the country but it is utter nonsense. There are many non-scientific tells as well:

    - Most houses below real wealth tier are unrenovated dumps. There doesn't seem to be a single flipper in Jackson.
    - Almost every "local" lives in the same, fairly sad development near the dump.
    - Restaurants have very close to zero local business.
    - Very underwhelming racing scene. Jackson Hole resorts ski team is entirely fake. They put on a racing jacket and ski around the cat tracks.

    Towns with even moderate local wealth do better than this.

  110. @Wilkey
    @anon

    Exactly.

    The best solution is to stop moving it around. The modern Olympics were started by Europeans - so keep them in Europe. They were based on the Ancient Greek games, so keep them in Greece, where they started. Greece has the venues from 2004 (assuming they haven't already gone to rot) and it's economy could definitely use the quadrennial influx of cash.

    At bare minimum at least keep them in the same place for five Olympiads or so. But that would reduce the opportunities for bribery and graft, and maybe the PR benefit of being in a new city every four years. The additional PR hardly seems worth the cost of all the new infrastructure, not to mention the catastrophe of each new city having to figure out the logistics of how to run the damn thing.

    To be fair, Salt Lake City/Utah seems to have gotten decent use out of the venues it built for the 2002 Olympics. But as I noted above, Salt Lake City - with a metro area over 2 million people - is actually one of the larger cities to host a Winter Olympics. The combination of a large and still fast growing city running the smaller of the two Olympics meant that it didn't need to build venues beyond what its population could use after the games were over.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    • Thanks: Wilkey
  111. @PiltdownMan
    Australians are keenly interested in a wide variety of sports, laid back and self-assured in their manner, nearly 90% white (afaik), more than two-thirds of British ancestry, and Australia is a spacious, English-speaking, first-world country.

    What's not to like? Brisbane is a great choice.

    Replies: @Charon

    What’s not to like?

    Simple. The fact that all of those good things are “in flux” and the trend is downward, just as in the other previously civilized countries.

  112. @Reg Cæsar
    @Charon


    Barcelona is quite pleasant in the wintertime, but where will the downhill skiing events be held? Somewhere in the Pyrenees?
     
    Andorra!

    Actually, slalom canoeing was held just outside of the principality in 1992, and rowing was also closer to Andorra than to host city Barcelona.

    A friend who attended the former said it was a blessèd relief from the steambath the city constituted that week. I felt the same about the fencing competition-- eight hours in air conditioning.

    Synchronized swimming, however, was held outside in something like Arecibo, meant to collect solar rays. The marathon was cruel and unusual punishment.

    Replies: @Charon

    blessèd

    Nice touch!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Charon



    blessèd
     
    Nice touch!
     
    Dziękuję.

    I was afraid readers would hear one syllable in their minds, and that would have been a [ahem] grave mistake. Acutely felt.
  113. @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    #3 Chicago
     
    Soon to be #4.

    (NYC is the only one of the top four US cities that Steve hasn't spent significant time in. Got an extra bed, Dan?)

    Replies: @Charon

    Population of the “city proper” is an artificial and extremely outdated measure, entirely an artifact of early 20th-century [or older] political subdivision. The Consolidated or [now] Combined Statistical Area is the most meaningful metric of urban agglomeration.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area

    As of July 2021, Chicago is now 5th.

  114. Brisbane…I was pulling for Lagos. Talk about the opportunities for graft. That’s what hosting an Olympics is about.

  115. @Alfa158
    @AnonymousNameChange

    “Don’t get me wrong, I haven’t worked out any solutions to what looks to be an almost impossible problem”
    In STEM it is known that some problems inherently can’t be fixed so all you can do is watch it play out and be prepared to ride it out as best you can.
    There is a joke about situations that you can’t fix. An old cowboy is in front of the fireplace regaling his grandkids with stories of his days in the Old West and he’s telling them about his encounter with a band of Comanches. “There I was kids, surrounded by fifty Comanche warriors. My horse had run been run off, I was out of ammo, the nearest cavalry was twenty miles off, the Injuns were closing in on me from all sides , howling for my blood!” The wide-eyed moppets asked “Gosh Grandpa, what happened then?” The old cowboy replied “Well kids, then I got killed!”
    Things aren’t going to get turned around. What is accomplished with this discourse is to take the first step which is to expand the circle of people who are aware of what is going on and why. That by itself doesn’t stop the process but it is a necessary pre-condition for being ready to do what is needed, whatever that might be.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @AnonymousNameChange

    My point is that to the extent that discourse hasn’t gone backwards (it has), it’s going in circles. And none of us are going to be in any position to do anything by the time that 7ft Tall Basketball Shooting Robots are sufficiently inexpensive, save for continuing to gloat about the ratings for the Olympics and the Oscars being down YET AGAIN! But if you gloat too hard and get issued a ticket, you’d better be sufficiently contrite after the money is taken from your account, or else.

    The discourse is failing at what you think it’s accomplishing because it is redundant and naive.

  116. @Anon55uu
    The modernisation of Brisbane is a very recent development. There are some photos of the Gabba stadium here over time - it had a dog racing track around it until 1990.

    https://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/gabba/photos

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ed Case

    Those photos are all of the Gabba built in 2002.
    The previous Gabba with the Dog Track was built in 1972 and was a Dog’s Breakfast.
    The original Gabba was timber Grandstands and standing room under Weeping Figs, the Ground was surrounded by Poincianas.
    Terrific place to watch top Cricket, torn down in 1971.

  117. @Ozzie
    Bonus for Brissie is that just down the road on the Gold Coast they successfully hosted the commonwealth games a couple years ago, so plenty of freshly built stadia and public transport to link the general area together. The only worry will be trying to hold the triathlon in the “brown snake” aka the Brisbane River. I pity those athletes

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @Ed Case

    Brisbane isn’t home to Brown Snakes however the Brisbane River is full of Bull Sharks.
    Those things will take any bait, a good spot is under the William Jolly Bridge after dusk.

  118. The Olympics will always exist, but like many fading brands it may have to be sold to a Chinese corporation.

    What it would then need to do would be to cut back on most of the absurd sports that have been added, and stick to track and field, swimming, and other aquatic sports such as rowing and sailing.

    This would obviate the need for a lot of expensive facilities other than a track and field stadium and a swimming pool.

    It is not like the other add-on sports like gymnastics and soccer do not have their own Pan American, European, and world championships.

    Additional sports could be added if there was enough public interest in them and they could be profitable.

    One overlooked reason for the loss of television interest in the Olympics in the US could be that the NBC coverage, which has always been terrible, has gotten even worse this year, so I am told. It is just a lot of bloviating and not much action. Perhaps this is the influence of Biden!

  119. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    That's why it's so weird that L.A. turned a profit in 1984.

    Not many tourists came because of fears of terrorism, smog, and traffic jams. But locals turned out in huge numbers for events.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Yes my recollection is that LA residents really got into the Olympics and that even obscure soccer matches were selling out with 100,000 spectators who just wanted to pay a few bucks to say that they saw an Olympic event.

    That can happen when the Olympics is held in a country like the US where there are many people who have disposable incomes, but much less so in developing countries.

  120. sb says:

    Combining two of the prominent themes of this blog , I was astounded to see that the American Jewish community is fielding a baseball team at the current Tokyo Olympics .
    Just shows how influential those Jews are –
    ( maybe Catholics can field a team under the name Vatican City ? )
    Although they are calling themselves “Israel ” I bet few if any can speak the national language of the country they purport to represent but of course that could be said for a few nations

  121. @anonymous
    The 2036 games will be somewhere in Asia. Chengdu, Ahmedabad, or Jakarta. Or maybe Berlin-Tel Aviv (actual idea).

    Replies: @animalogic

    “Or maybe Berlin-Tel Aviv”
    You’re funny…. or somekind of witch or warlock. The 1st I hope.

  122. @res
    @Anon


    Chicago is not even in the top 35 most violent cities in the US.
     
    Measured how? This site has it at #20.
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-violent-cities-in-america

    Replies: @Anon

    I apologize! I was going by FBI stats and CBS says they have it at 31 https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/the-most-dangerous-cities-in-america/20/

    • Replies: @res
    @Anon

    Thank you for for following up. And for giving a reference!

    Here are the two references for comparison.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/the-most-dangerous-cities-in-america/20/

    Source: FBI’s 2019 Crime in the United States Report
    Ranking and violent crime rate per 100,000 people: 31. Chicago, IL (943)
    For comparison: 1. Detroit, MI (1,965)


    https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-violent-cities-in-america

    Source: FBI’s 2018 Crime in the United States Report
    Ranking and violent crime rate per 100,000 people: 20. Chicago, IL (1,099)
    For comparison: 1. St. Louis, MO (2,082)

    I think their detailed list gives an idea why Chicago has its reputation. It is 3x the size of the next biggest city above it (Indianapolis, IN) and 9x the size of #1 St. Louis.

    So your data is newer, and even though "not in Top 35" was not literally true, 31 was lower than I expected so your point holds to some degree IMHO.

    It looks like the FBI crime statistics are released in September so we have to wait a little longer for 2020 data.

    This page has 2017 FBI data (I think, the text has conflicting statements), but is handy because it includes the top 100 of the most populous cities in America reporting UCR data, has multiple violent and property crime categories as well as aggregates, and is easily sortable.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate#Crime_rates
    There Chicago was 17th in violent crime rate and 10th in murder.

    An interesting comparison is Houston. In that table it has a similar size and violent crime rate to Chicago, but its murder rate is less than half.

    BTW, for anyone interested, this page is a good primer on US crime statistics. It discusses both of the common sources of data: the BJS and FBI statistics.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/20/facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/

  123. @KerryOwen
    Fifty years ago Brisbane was little more than a sleepy former colonial outpost most famous for hosting MacArthur's headquarters during The Big One. Growth accelerated in late 70s and by the 80s the skyline was filled with construction cranes. New container shipping and cruise liner docks opened that city to the world.

    Along with growth came aspirations. By the 90s there really were plans for Brisbane to achieve parity with Sydney as an international city. If the Olympics are still a thing in 2032, it may be the thing which puts the city over the top.

    Replies: @dearieme

    plans for Brisbane to achieve parity with Sydney as an international city

    I do like Brizzie. But it doesn’t have Sydney Harbour.

  124. res says:
    @Anon
    @res

    I apologize! I was going by FBI stats and CBS says they have it at 31 https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/the-most-dangerous-cities-in-america/20/

    Replies: @res

    Thank you for for following up. And for giving a reference!

    Here are the two references for comparison.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/the-most-dangerous-cities-in-america/20/

    Source: FBI’s 2019 Crime in the United States Report
    Ranking and violent crime rate per 100,000 people: 31. Chicago, IL (943)
    For comparison: 1. Detroit, MI (1,965)

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-violent-cities-in-america

    Source: FBI’s 2018 Crime in the United States Report
    Ranking and violent crime rate per 100,000 people: 20. Chicago, IL (1,099)
    For comparison: 1. St. Louis, MO (2,082)

    I think their detailed list gives an idea why Chicago has its reputation. It is 3x the size of the next biggest city above it (Indianapolis, IN) and 9x the size of #1 St. Louis.

    So your data is newer, and even though “not in Top 35” was not literally true, 31 was lower than I expected so your point holds to some degree IMHO.

    It looks like the FBI crime statistics are released in September so we have to wait a little longer for 2020 data.

    This page has 2017 FBI data (I think, the text has conflicting statements), but is handy because it includes the top 100 of the most populous cities in America reporting UCR data, has multiple violent and property crime categories as well as aggregates, and is easily sortable.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate#Crime_rates
    There Chicago was 17th in violent crime rate and 10th in murder.

    An interesting comparison is Houston. In that table it has a similar size and violent crime rate to Chicago, but its murder rate is less than half.

    BTW, for anyone interested, this page is a good primer on US crime statistics. It discusses both of the common sources of data: the BJS and FBI statistics.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/20/facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/

  125. @Anon
    @Buffalo Joe

    Chicago is not even in the top 35 most violent cities in the US. The public housing came down during the Daley Administration years before the Olympic bid, ironically because the land was so valuable and in demand for upscale housing. Chicago isn't any worse than any other American city. It is funny how the people who drone on on how the mainstream media lies, believe it when it tells them something they want to hear.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @res, @Buffalo Joe

    NineFourFour, you are delusional. The “Magnificent Mile” is now a shell of its former glory, conventions cancelled and double digit shootings ever weekend. that is Chicago today.

  126. The Olympics, like most hyped “sports”, is a shakedown operation. I lost interest so long ago that I forget which city is hosting or which year it is. Sad. I think the last one I gave a damn about was in 84 or 88.

  127. @Arclight
    I assume the IOC does some kind of analysis of a location's ability to get the requisite number of athletes and support personnel to a city through its airport, but my first thought is that Brisbane might struggle with that and a lot of visitors might have to fly into Sydney and drive a couple hundred miles if there are not enough regional flights to connect.

    Replies: @guest007, @dearieme, @The Alarmist, @The Last Real Calvinist, @YetAnotherAnon

    The tourist paradise of the Gold Coast is less than 50 miles from Brisbane. The athletes would love it.

    The Gold Coast is a major tourist destination with a sunny, subtropical climate and has become widely known for its world-class surfing beaches, high-rise dominated skyline, theme parks, nightlife, and rainforest hinterland. The city is part of the nation’s entertainment industry with television productions and a major film industry.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Coast,_Queensland

  128. @Paperback Writer
    I'm having lotsa fun watching the US team implode, although I have nothing against Katy Ledecky.

    I'm just praying that US Men's b-ball crashes, and as for the women's "soccer" team, I hope Megan Rapinoe collapses on the field. I wish her transgender opponents.

    Replies: @tr, @Anonymous, @Inquiring Mind, @pyrrhus

    The US Team had better suck it up, not many olympic opportunities left for glory, IMO…2040 Olympics? Not happening the way things are going…

  129. @Wilkey
    @Mike1


    Umm, Park City has already held the Olympics and has 100% of the infrastructure to hold a games tomorrow. Your Salt Lake metro numbers are wildly off and Park City is self evidently part of the Salt Lake area (despite the people who moved there from CA insisting they live in “PARK CITY” not UT or Salt Lake).
     
    Well I live in the Salt Lake area and frequently ski in Park City, so I'm well aware of Park City's relative location and its history with the Olympics.

    My gripe was with the notion that "Park City" would be hosting the games, when virtually all of the money would be coming from the state and feds and most of the manpower to run it would be coming from neighboring cities. Most of the venues for the "Park City Olympics" would be in other cities, as well.

    Jackson Hole has no even moderate size city anywhere close to it. Pro tip: no billionaires live in Jackson Hole they just pretend to.
     
    Not exactly true. My brother once worked for a billionaire who had a home in Jackson Hole, and in fact his boss actually did spend a significant amount of time there. He knew of several other billionaires who spent a lot of time there, as well. Yes, a few of them live there mostly just for tax purposes, but in the summertime it's a rather beautiful place to be.

    Replies: @Mike1

    Your Park City point makes sense.

    Wealthy people do vacation in Jackson Hole. They also go to significant effort to prove they live there. They absolutely do not live there year round or even close to the 183 days legally required for tax residence. Jackson WY metro technically has the biggest income gap in the country but it is utter nonsense. There are many non-scientific tells as well:

    – Most houses below real wealth tier are unrenovated dumps. There doesn’t seem to be a single flipper in Jackson.
    – Almost every “local” lives in the same, fairly sad development near the dump.
    – Restaurants have very close to zero local business.
    – Very underwhelming racing scene. Jackson Hole resorts ski team is entirely fake. They put on a racing jacket and ski around the cat tracks.

    Towns with even moderate local wealth do better than this.

  130. Steve, I’m surprised you haven’t picked up on all the gushing about Punahou School and the Olympics. These pieces all make a point of highlighting non-Olympian Obama like this tv profile:

    https://www.nbcolympics.com/videos/hawaii-prep-school-breeds-olympians

    Here are the actual Punahou Olympians for this year:

    “This summer, Punahou alumni once again will compete at the Games, this time in Tokyo. Three Punahou graduates – Carissa Moore ’10 (surfing), Erik Shoji ’08 (volleyball) and Shelby Baron ’12 (wheelchair tennis) are in Toyko ready to represent the United States and compete in their respective sports. Taylor Crabb ’10 had also made the Team USA beach volleyball team, but unfortunately tested positive for COVID-19 while in Tokyo and won’t be competing.”

  131. @Charon
    @Reg Cæsar


    blessèd
     
    Nice touch!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    blessèd

    Nice touch!

    Dziękuję.

    I was afraid readers would hear one syllable in their minds, and that would have been a [ahem] grave mistake. Acutely felt.

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