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From Teen Vogue in 2021:

Old Navy’s BODEQUALITY Prioritizes Size-Inclusivity and Price Parity

Here’s all you need to know about the retailer’s new initiative.

BY GIANLUCA RUSSO

AUGUST 18, 2021

Old Navy is doing more than just expanding its plus-size range. After three years of extensive research and planning, the retailer is launching its BODEQUALITY initiative in an effort to normalize size-inclusivity across the board, finally giving curvy shoppers the options and space they have always deserved.

Unveiled on August 18, Old Navy’s BODEQUALITY initiative will introduce price parity across sizes 0-30 and XS-4X. Old Navy has completely done away with charging more for plus, providing a level playing field for all its clothing. Sizes 0-28 will be stocked in all Old Navy storefronts across the country, while size 30 will be sold exclusively online. Every Old Navy store will also now display mannequins in sizes 4, 12, and 18. In addition to these, the brand will be doing away with the term “plus-size” in-stores altogether, stocking all women’s apparel as one rather than separates.

But the BODEQUALITY initiative doesn’t end there. Digitally, shoppers can use the new toggle feature on Old Navy’s website to choose which size model they’d like to see the clothing advertised on.

Because women will of course buy more clothes when they have a realistic rather than optimistic view of how hot they’ll look in the new fashions if they aren’t a supermodel.

From the Wall Street Journal in 2022:

Old Navy Made Clothing Sizes for Everyone. It Backfired.

The clothing brand’s push for inclusivity left it with a shortage of middle sizes. ‘It’s super-frustrating.’

By Suzanne Kapner
May 20, 2022 10:00 am ET

Old Navy set out to make clothes shopping more inclusive for women of all body types. It ended up with too many extra-small and extra-large items and too few of the rest, a mismatch that frustrated customers and contributed to falling sales and a management shake-up.

The New York Times these days almost always starts articles with a human interest anecdote representative of the theme of the article, which I usually delete in my blog posts and cut right to the topic sentence. I can’t afford a WSJ subscription, but this article starts instead with a summary sentence.

… Billed as one of the biggest launches in the brand’s history, Old Navy in August began offering all women’s clothing styles in size 0 to 30 and XS to 4X, making it one of the first retailers to place such a big bet on inclusive sizing. It did away with separate petite and plus-size departments and grouped all sizes of each style together. Mannequins in varying body shapes displayed the new wares. All sizes of a style were priced the same, a break with an industry practice in which retailers charge more for larger sizes.

… Soon after, however, Old Navy’s sales started to nosedive. Last month, Nancy Green, the chain’s president and chief executive, stepped down after less than two years running the brand. Gap warned that sales for the spring quarter would fall short of expectations in part due to troubles at Old Navy.
The extended sizes were the culprit, according to current and former employees.

Stores were selling out of the middle sizes and were stuck with piles of very small and very large sizes, the employees said….

At an Old Navy store in Queens, N.Y., racks of women’s clothes were recently selling for 50% off. Some women’s dresses were available in only XS and XXL. High-waisted canvas pants were sold out in sizes 4 through 10, but available in size 2 and in 12 to 28.

Shoppers said Old Navy’s message of inclusivity resonates with them. But it is sometimes outweighed by the frustration of not being able to find their size.

… Retailers from Victoria’s Secret & Co. to Target Corp. have embraced size inclusivity by adding more styles in small and large sizes to win over new customers and promote more positive body imagery.

Few chains have gone as far as Old Navy. “It was a big step for the industry,” said Liza Amlani, the founder of consulting firm Retail Strategy Group. “Old Navy really invested in equality around sizing, not just in the product but from the way the stores were laid out.”

Most retailers sell clothes in sizes that range from 0 to 14. Adding additional sizes comes with extra costs from developing new patterns to buying extra material, Ms. Amlani said. Retailers tend to buy more of a given item in midrange sizes and fewer in very small or very large sizes.

But, experts say, the bell curve has been discredited. Follow The Science.

But they are often still short of the most popular sizes, while ending up with too many of the sizes that are less in demand. Offering a wider range of sizes can magnify that problem, she said.

The average American woman is a size 18 today, up from a size 14 five years ago, according to Don Howard, executive director of Alvanon, which works with brands and retailers on sizing and fit.

Big, if true.

By the way, Alvanon, a firm that specializes in body measurement consulting by being experts on the actual size and proportions of customers in different markets, seems like one of those examples of a market research company that could be a gold mine. Using the Underpants Gnomes template, their business strategy appears to be:

A. Invest in developing a unique database.

B. Charge high prices for your data because where else can customers get the numbers?

C. Profit!

The mean weight for women aged 20 and over was 170.8 pounds as of 2016, according to the most recent data from the National Center for Health Statistics. That is up from 163.6 pounds in 2000.

The federal government measures height and weight for the use of American clothes manufacturers (not that there are many of those anymore) and retailers. But we’re six years out from the last survey, so who knows where we are now.

…Old Navy’s same-store sales fell 9% in the third quarter of last year and 6% in the fourth quarter, compared with the same periods in 2020. The declines followed big gains in early 2021 and most of 2020. Compared with 2019, Old Navy’s sales were unchanged in the fourth quarter of 2021.

Fashion designer Diane von Furstenberg said this past Wednesday that her namesake company wants to cater to as many people as possible but that producing a wide range of sizes is expensive.
“If you are a size 2 and if you are a size 16, you do not use the same amount of fabric,” Ms. von Furstenberg said at The Wall Street Journal’s Future of Everything Festival. “You also don’t want to penalize the small people [who would be] paying more because the price has to be the same. It may be very controversial to bring that up. But I think it’s important.”

Nicole Cueto

Diane von Fürstenberg appears to be about a size negative four.

Nicole Cueto said she has been shopping elsewhere for activewear and jeans, because it has been hard to find her size at Old Navy in the past few months. “They mostly just have larger sizes and sell out of the small sizes,” said the 39-year-old publicist, who lives in Manhattan. “It is super-frustrating.”

Note to Old Navy: Publicists in Manhattan tend to have more money to spend on clothes than cashiers in Akron. Also, they tend to be more influential.

 
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  1. The New York Times these days almost always starts articles with a human interest anecdote representative of the theme of the article, which I usually delete in my blog posts and cut write to the topic sentence.

    “Write” in last five words should be “right” unless this is an unfamiliar proofreading technique.

  2. Didn’t Michael Fumento try to start an anti-fat campaign in the U.S a couple decades ago?

  3. “But it is sometimes outweighed by the frustration of not being able to find their size.” Subtle, yet catty.

    • LOL: Paul Jolliffe, Escher
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @A. Carrick Bend

    I liked the the idea of "outweighed" too. I'd have been pleased to have been able to use it.

  4. WSJ :

    [Old Navy] did away with separate petite and plus-size departments and grouped all sizes of each style together.

    Old Navy should go back to segregated size departments, but make it fun with weight class divisions like Dinghy, Frigate, and Dreadnought.

    • Agree: Muggles
    • Thanks: Polistra, GeologyAnonMk5
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Wow! Thanks, everyone. I hope someone at corporate reads it and goes for it. :)

    , @VivaLaMigra
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I don't know if that "frigate" classification will go over big. "Frig It," maybe? As for the largest size, why stop with HMS Dreadnought, which displaced a mere 20,000 tons or so? Why not go with USS Iowa[50,000+ ton full load] or perhaps IJN Yamato [70,000+ tons]?

  5. We get spam from Victoria’s Secret, and now it features pictures of fat black women. And I remember when the Victoria’s Secret catalog was good masturbation material.

    (Hey, I’m just using Tracy Morgan’s line here, okay?)

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "Victoria's Secret ... now it features pictures of fat black women ..."

    Mainstreaming blacks and their degraded culture has melted down American society. Talent, skill, and the aesthetic palette have all been discarded in a mass act of self-gratification by the elite and psychotically altruistic goodwhites who turned over management to creepy dot-heads and elephantine black goddesses who we all must worship lest we lose our source of income.

    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Buzz Mohawk

    White guy in the group using every black comic's nerdy white guy voice: "Well, gee whiz, I should probably object to this sexism, but these are black guys talking in a derogatory way about white women and I do like my job. Safe move is to say nothing."

  6. Meanwhile, Southwest Airlines is acquiring 747 Jumbo Jets for their “Pigs Fly” campaign, Carnival is converting surplus Supertankers for “Whales Watching Whales” cruises, and Greyhound is ditching their iconic image and rebranding as Bassetthound.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @roonaldo

    I think it was Chris Rock who did a skit about having an airline that exclusively flies all the heavy people, so that they aren’t on the other flights overflowing into the seat space of lighter people. I think he said it would be called Buffalo Airways and their marketing slogan would be “We’re going to do our best to get your fat ass off the ground”.

  7. Women’s sizes are meaningless. The girlfriend weighs 2 pounds more today than she did when she graduated from high school (she’ll be 60 next month). Her closet has clothes ranging from size 8 to size 0.

    Pro-tip for the more slender ladies: shop in the wealthier communities where the slim people are.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Brutusale

    There has been size inflation. Remember how Steve said the average American woman is a size 18 today, up from a size 14 five years ago? That woman still thinks of herself as, and wants to wear a size 14. So when she goes to the store, she doesn't want to buy size 18 clothes - those are for fat people, not for her. Manufacturers make formerly size 18 clothes and label them size 14 and everyone is happy.

    This is not just the last 5 years - American women have been getting fatter since the 1960s. The average American woman weighed 140 pounds in 1960, so the current 170 is 30 lbs. heavier or more than 20% more.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Anon

  8. Weight fluctuates, and people women buy more clothes when they feel happy with their appearance. In retail terms: fat people don’t buy as many clothes.

    Take my wife. Every time she has a baby (four so far), she puts on a lot of weight. But she refuses to buy new clothes until she gets back to her pre-baby weight.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Andrew M

    This

    No baby yet, but after each failed IVF the same here (you can put on a good 10lbs in 2 weeks with IVF...and no it doesn't go away like the doctors claim)

    , @ben tillman
    @Andrew M


    In retail terms: fat people don’t buy as many clothes.
     
    Correct.
  9. Having a wider range of sizes in no way requires companies to order the same number of pieces of each size. If they ordered too few of the middle sizes, they did. Those were sizes they would have always offered in the past so they should have had a good idea of what they needed — or was there increased demand due inflation and people trading down from the Gap and other more expensive stores?

    If they added extra sizes and styles for petites and plus, there was more uncertainty about how much they would sell. I hope other companies don’t get discouraged and drop plans to expand sizes. Lesson here is to be more careful in ordering right number of pieces.

    I am surprised their regular customer who could not find her size didn’t just order online.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason, bomag
    • Replies: @prosa123
    @notsaying

    I am surprised their regular customer who could not find her size didn’t just order online.

    Buying women's clothes online can be difficult because sizing is so arbitrary even within the same company.

    Replies: @Muggles

    , @James B. Shearer
    @notsaying

    "I am surprised their regular customer who could not find her size didn’t just order online."

    If she wanted to buy online she wouldn't have bothered to go to the store.

    , @Ann K.
    @notsaying

    Items in sold-out sizes are unavailable online just as in brick and mortar stores.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    , @SaneClownPosse
    @notsaying

    I would guess that some genius in a corporate office, who had only been in a retail outlet one time for orientation, calculated that there was enormous pent up demand for larger sizes, and ordered way too many plus sizes, and less normal sizes, for every retail outlet.

    Now any plus sized woman with an internet connection and PayPal account can find the clothing on eBay cheap.

  10. This sounds more like a failure of enterprise resource planning. Was the limit on the total number of a particular shirt or shorts that can be made? Did every XXXL mean that a large could not be mad? Why not make longer production runs of the most common size? Or is there a minimum order on any size and thus, when something sells well, the extra small and extra large are all that is left?

    In the day and age where the pizza delivery guy has an MBA, there should have been someone at the company who can do quantitative analysis.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @guest007


    This sounds more like a failure of enterprise resource planning. Was the limit on the total number of a particular shirt or shorts that can be made? Did every XXXL mean that a large could not be mad? Why not make longer production runs of the most common size? Or is there a minimum order on any size and thus, when something sells well, the extra small and extra large are all that is left?

    In the day and age where the pizza delivery guy has an MBA, there should have been someone at the company who can do quantitative analysis.

     

    My guess is that offering sizes on the upper end (women's 30 and XXXXL) was the result of lobbying from certain interest groups who would not-so-subtly say that S-M-L are white supremacist expectations about what women's bodies are supposed to look like, and that obese, steatopygic black women can't wear Old Navy clothes because they're not made in sizes that they need. The XS size just serves to camouflage that they're making clothes for fat women because the euphemism is "size inclusivity." I'm not sure that the budget for the stock-in-trade necessarily increases because they've added additional sizes - it sounds like they've just added sizes within the same annual budget, and that they've just shipped fewer normal sizes to stores.

    In any event, an adult size XS is still useful since it can be sold to a young teen or a child. This is not the case with a size XXXXL.

    My surmise is that there is significant variability in actual size versus stated sizes between manufacturers. So an Old Navy XXXXL might be equivalent to another retailer's XL or XXL where the latter caters to larger women. Even large women probably don't want to come to grips with being an XXXXL if there's another manufacturer that will tell them that they're merely an XL or XXL. So it's dubious that women in need of larger sizes would decamp from a manufacturer or retailer which will sell them XXXXLs sized as XLs in order to buy XXXXLs at Old Navy after shopping next to skinny bitches who wear size S. There's probably a whole psychology about this and it doesn't seem that Old Navy took any of it into account.

    Replies: @guest007, @tr

    , @James B. Shearer
    @guest007

    "This sounds more like a failure of enterprise resource planning. .."

    Maybe a failure to realize that if you are used to shopping online to get your size you may not want to switch to in store (or even realize that you can).

  11. Americans really are a fat, lazy, gluttonous, disgusting people.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_body_weight#By_country

    • Agree: Goddard
    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Goddard
    @AndrewR

    Americans are jacking off with one hand and waving the white flag with the other.

    , @RAZ
    @AndrewR

    And the trend is bad as Americans (also Europeans, prob Asians) are getting fatter all the time. Which we are now supposed to accept as normal. In America the least obese state (CO) is now fatter than the most obese state (MS) was only about 30 yrs ago. The Libertarian in me couldn't agree with what Mayor Bloomberg wanted to do in NYC with banning super size sugary drinks like Big Gulp but I understand the intent.

    Just checked the table. Average American woman 180 lbs? Damn. No wonder they need big new sizes.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Elmer T. Jones
    @AndrewR

    my viet wife rocks teen panties but won't wear black bras as it makes me difficult to manage. Somewhat related, I have failed to convince her family which owns a women's shoe factory in saigon that the time is ripe for producing a sensible ladies shoe in men's size 13.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Jay Fink
    @AndrewR

    My BMI is 21.5, right in the middle of the normal weight range. Let me tell you "normal" is not normal! I am one of the few non-fat people in any crowd, especially in my age group.

  12. Old Navy is just overpriced crap where shoppers pay a huge premium for the stores being located in malls.

    Everybody knows that the markup on clothing is huge, and the cost of the fabric is negligible relative to the retail price.

    People who need extra large clothing can almost certainly buy it online. Online merchants have the whip hand because they can have all their stock in one location instead of spread over thousands of stores, so can afford to have small volume sizes in stock.

    So the management at Old Navy is incompetent? Not surprising really, because what bright person wants to go into selling clothes in malls?

  13. There is a store out there for mostly teenage girls called Brandy Melville. They only carry size xs/s. They say that is for cost reasons but the actual function is to not have their clothes worn by fat women. It is a branding exercise.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Hodag


    There is a store out there for mostly teenage girls called Brandy Melville. They only carry size xs/s. They say that is for cost reasons but the actual function is to not have their clothes worn by fat women. It is a branding exercise.
     
    Some people are just delicately framed. There is a twentysomething girl in my office who is very petite. I recently met her fiance and he is similarly small framed. They're probably 95lbs and 125lbs respectively. Together they look like they're from a lost race of tiny wood elves or something.

    You can see that since actual sizes have drifted upwards while being mislabeled (i.e., an old M is now an S), some smaller people probably do need clothes which are actually made for delicately framed adults.

    My great aunt married a WWII paratrooper who had landed in Europe during the war. He was always very small framed. Back then she bought some of his clothes in the boy's department, which was supposed to be kept a secret because it was a source of embarrassment for him.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @guest007, @Colin Wright, @GeologyAnonMk5

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Hodag

    Abercrombie & Fitch used to have the same attitude--no plus sizes in women's wear.


    It could all boil down to the mindset of CEO Mike Jeffries, who seems to want customers like the teens who are in the inside of the circle and not staring in from the outside in plus-sized fashions.

    “In every school there are the cool and popular kids, and then there are the not-so-cool kids,” he told [Salon]. “Candidly, we go after the cool kids. We go after the attractive all-American kid with a great attitude and a lot of friends. A lot of people don’t belong [in our clothes], and they can’t belong. Are we exclusionary? Absolutely.”
     

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Alden
    @Hodag

    Brandy Melville. All my grand daughters buy those clothes . Because those clothes actually fit 5 ft to 5’4 100 to 115 pound small boned girls.

    , @Alice in Wonderland
    @Hodag


    Brandy Melville. They only carry size xs/s.
     
    Asians?
  14. I have a couple Old Navy fleece shirts I bought in 1999, and I wear them constantly during the winter months. They are indestructible. I haven’t needed to replace them.

    I guess ON teaches itself hard lessons from time to time.

    • Replies: @peterike
    @The Alarmist


    I have a couple Old Navy fleece shirts I bought in 1999, and I wear them constantly during the winter months. They are indestructible.
     
    I can assure you if you bought them now they wouldn't be anywhere near the same quality. Even formerly quality conscious brands like Lands End have become vendors of junk.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @The Alarmist

    , @bomag
    @The Alarmist

    I shopped there for a short time around ''07. Hoodies and t-shirts fell apart rapidly; I didn't go back.

    , @Adam Smith
    @The Alarmist

    Good evening, Mr. Alarmist,

    I have an old Columbia fleece jacket that I got second hand and have been wearing for 10 or 12 years. (Though I'm sure it's quite a bit older than that.) I mean, I have really beat the hell out of this thing wrenching on cars in the winter, dragging, cutting, splitting firewood, and anything else when it's cold outside. Other than a little wear around the cuffs it's hard to tell it's used. Washes right up every time. I'm surprised it's lasted me this long. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt that a new one would be nearly as nice. A new one probably wouldn't last more than a couple seasons.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  15. Walked into a Kohl’s recently. More than half of the female mannequins are now are the overweight female figure.

    I’ve seen the articles that promote the idea that normal, as in petite, mannequins are bad for sales, but does anyone really think the below visual entices anyone to purchase more clothing?

    The whole “fat is beautiful” narrative that the clothing industry has been instructed to promote is yet just another front in the efforts to destroy Western perceptions and standards of true beauty.

    Black is beautiful (they aren’t)
    Fat is sexy (it’s not)
    Tattoos, piercings, green hair, etc are attractive (no)
    Circumcision is healthy (LOL)
    Rap is music (it’s noise)
    African art is equal to European art (nope)
    etc, etc, etc,

    • Agree: silviosilver, Malla, Mark G.
    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Mike Tre

    What's with the manequin in the back? Looks like Castor Semenya.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Mike Tre

    Mike you went longer.

    I was just going to note that the reigning minoritarian ideology promotes ugliness. All that is beautiful and true and healthy and enduring, they trash and wish to destroy.

    Everything--everything being pushed--is ugly.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Mike Tre

    , @mc23
    @Mike Tre

    Idiocracy instead of shooting for 36-28-36 just go with a BMI of 35.

    Replies: @LP5

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Mike Tre

    Notice the fat mannequins are always put into some kind of dynamic pose while the thin ones just stand rigid. It's all so over the top.

    , @Dmon
    @Mike Tre

    https://youtu.be/MCv4VXd06qI

    , @pyrrhus
    @Mike Tre

    Nauseating...who wants to look at fat women...or fat men? And sometimes I see them in restaurants with already fat children, which is a tragedy....

    , @Sean
    @Mike Tre

    https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1240w,f_auto,q_auto:best/newscms/2020_25/3391013/200618-aunt-jemima-woman-boxes-ew-215p.jpg


    The world's first living trademark, former slave 'Aunt Jemima' a model whose real name was (like the Old Navy CEO), "Nancy Green". Fat and happy sells a whole lot of pancakes.

    Old Navy's Nancy is Jewish of course but she lacks the killer instinct. Unlike Von Furstenberg, who kept the name when she divorced minor European royalty husband in 1968. Her Moldavian Jewish father gave her brains but her Jewish mother was (personality is mainly from one's mother), was a resistance fighter in Greece sent to Auschwitz.

    'Nobody goes to a plastic surgeon and says, "Make me fat"': Victoria's Secret owner Les Wexner, 82, mocked efforts to champion women of different sizes
     

    Shocking!

    Replies: @guest007

    , @AnotherDad
    @Mike Tre


    Black is beautiful (they aren’t)
     
    One of the weaknesses of minoritarianism is that the Jews are stuck with blacks as their designated victims. Jewish oppression in American was/is a trivial joke. (Though true believers can get all hot and bothered nonetheless--there is no end to the tribal self-absorption.) So to attack the legitimacy of the American establishment it was slavery, lynching, Jim Crow ... Emmett Till, Till, Till!


    But blacks just are not attractive. It's not like a case--perfectly possible--where whites were better at the X, Y, Z of white society and so black cluster at the socio-economic bottom, but blacks are better at A, B, C, where B is better looking. Rather it is pretty much an end-to-end sweep, with blacks only better at more fast-twitch muscle and rhythm.

    And in particular much less attractive. And this isn't a just an old white American guy perspective, but basically the conclusion of everyone around the world. Most people like the look of their own people, but then find various other peoples more or less decent looking. But none of them like the look of blacks.

    And this if further amped up by the sex skew. Black men at least have athleticism from higher fast-twitch muscle. But black women are saddled with bad hair and dark skin--both strongly working against the normal lustrous hair, "fairer sex" sex skew within each race. Plus the strong tendency toward fat-ass fatness. Blacks dumped into racially mixed societies, puts black women into very nasty sexual competition, and generates additional huge resentments. (Cue Steve's "Is Love Colorblind.")


    Not that the things minoritarians push--homosexuality, female sterility and bitchiness, now trannies--aren't ridiculously ugly on their own. But minoritarians really are saddled with the fact that their core "victim" story, and racial victim totems--blacks--are really not attractive people by pretty much any standard.

    This is something--again cue Steve's label them the "black party" advice--that any competent nationalist/traditionalist opposition must use. Specifically hold up--the much more appealing--white norms, white culture, white achievements, white people and, of course, heterosexuality.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    , @Malla
    @Mike Tre

    What Judeo-Commie-feminists are trying to promote non-stop as the kind of women ancient/pre-historic men supposedly found attractive. (Most likely a mother figure)

    https://www.prints-online.com/p/164/venus-willendorf-paleolithic-art-14181740.jpg

    The kind of women ancient men ACTUALLY found attractive

    https://imperiumromanum.pl/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Villa_romana_bikini_girls.jpg

    , @Jack D
    @Mike Tre


    Black is beautiful (they aren’t)
    Fat is sexy (it’s not)
    Circumcision is healthy (LOL)
     
    Etc.

    One of these things is not like the other. If you asked your pediatrician whether black is beautiful or not, he wouldn't have a medical opinion. Everything else on your list is purely a matter of aesthetics whereas circumcision has medical implications.

    The American Academy of Pediatrics says that the health benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks. You could take medical advice from your pediatrician or from "Mike Tre" - your choice.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @Mike Tre, @Jonathan Mason, @prosa123

    , @Anonymous
    @Mike Tre

    It reminds me of those Stone age fertility goddess sculptures that archaeologists dig up now and again.

    , @Anonymous
    @Mike Tre

    There is a museum in south London called the Horniman Museum and they have a splendid collection of musical instruments from around the world.

    In the European section there are magnificent brass instruments of all kinds. The Asian collection has delightfully carved wooden instruments of grace and elegance.

    The sub-saharan collection includes a large coffee can with pebbles in it.

  16. @guest007
    This sounds more like a failure of enterprise resource planning. Was the limit on the total number of a particular shirt or shorts that can be made? Did every XXXL mean that a large could not be mad? Why not make longer production runs of the most common size? Or is there a minimum order on any size and thus, when something sells well, the extra small and extra large are all that is left?

    In the day and age where the pizza delivery guy has an MBA, there should have been someone at the company who can do quantitative analysis.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @James B. Shearer

    This sounds more like a failure of enterprise resource planning. Was the limit on the total number of a particular shirt or shorts that can be made? Did every XXXL mean that a large could not be mad? Why not make longer production runs of the most common size? Or is there a minimum order on any size and thus, when something sells well, the extra small and extra large are all that is left?

    In the day and age where the pizza delivery guy has an MBA, there should have been someone at the company who can do quantitative analysis.

    My guess is that offering sizes on the upper end (women’s 30 and XXXXL) was the result of lobbying from certain interest groups who would not-so-subtly say that S-M-L are white supremacist expectations about what women’s bodies are supposed to look like, and that obese, steatopygic black women can’t wear Old Navy clothes because they’re not made in sizes that they need. The XS size just serves to camouflage that they’re making clothes for fat women because the euphemism is “size inclusivity.” I’m not sure that the budget for the stock-in-trade necessarily increases because they’ve added additional sizes – it sounds like they’ve just added sizes within the same annual budget, and that they’ve just shipped fewer normal sizes to stores.

    In any event, an adult size XS is still useful since it can be sold to a young teen or a child. This is not the case with a size XXXXL.

    My surmise is that there is significant variability in actual size versus stated sizes between manufacturers. So an Old Navy XXXXL might be equivalent to another retailer’s XL or XXL where the latter caters to larger women. Even large women probably don’t want to come to grips with being an XXXXL if there’s another manufacturer that will tell them that they’re merely an XL or XXL. So it’s dubious that women in need of larger sizes would decamp from a manufacturer or retailer which will sell them XXXXLs sized as XLs in order to buy XXXXLs at Old Navy after shopping next to skinny bitches who wear size S. There’s probably a whole psychology about this and it doesn’t seem that Old Navy took any of it into account.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Clothing marketers that was not size inclusive are attacked on the internet much like much of fast fashion is not attacked as being bad for the environment. When a marketing company like Shein is selling dresses for $6 each, one knows that it only works for one wearing. The HBO comedy Hacks was making fun of this in its second season.

    , @tr
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)


    My surmise is that there is significant variability in actual size versus stated sizes between manufacturers.
     
    My experience in men's clothing is that at stores owned by Gap (Old Navy, Gap, and Banana Republic) clothes are sized so you have to get one size larger than at other stores.
  17. @Hodag
    There is a store out there for mostly teenage girls called Brandy Melville. They only carry size xs/s. They say that is for cost reasons but the actual function is to not have their clothes worn by fat women. It is a branding exercise.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Harry Baldwin, @Alden, @Alice in Wonderland

    There is a store out there for mostly teenage girls called Brandy Melville. They only carry size xs/s. They say that is for cost reasons but the actual function is to not have their clothes worn by fat women. It is a branding exercise.

    Some people are just delicately framed. There is a twentysomething girl in my office who is very petite. I recently met her fiance and he is similarly small framed. They’re probably 95lbs and 125lbs respectively. Together they look like they’re from a lost race of tiny wood elves or something.

    You can see that since actual sizes have drifted upwards while being mislabeled (i.e., an old M is now an S), some smaller people probably do need clothes which are actually made for delicately framed adults.

    My great aunt married a WWII paratrooper who had landed in Europe during the war. He was always very small framed. Back then she bought some of his clothes in the boy’s department, which was supposed to be kept a secret because it was a source of embarrassment for him.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    If you look at model descriptions for online retail, the male model is always 6'2" and wearing a M.

    , @guest007
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Brandy Melville appears to be an online retailer that only markets one size per item. On their website, all of the models were white which shows that they know who they are aiming at with their marketing. Unlike something like Shein where half the models (white and black) are trying to look like a Kardashian.

    , @Colin Wright
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    'Some people are just delicately framed...'

    Go to Japan sometime. Neither my wife nor myself are particularly large, but when we went there we couldn't find much that would fit. My wife managed to get some men's socks that would work -- it was a complete bust for me.

    Lovely country -- but bring all the clothes you might need.

    , @GeologyAnonMk5
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Mrs Geology Anon and I are like that, 5'2"x 95 and 5'11" 135. As the article points out, it's stupidly easy to get clothes lately, since most of our sizes go direct to clearance. I have had several stern talkings to regarding the wisdom behind purchasing, say, full length faux leopard skin cloaks or snakeskin jeans given my already arguably overample closet. My argument that "Hey I thought it looked funny and it only cost $3.00" is not particularly effective, apparently.

    I had a similar memory from when I was young and had just been promoted to boy scouts from cub scouts, and got picked on quite nastily by the other scouts because I was practically swimming in my uniform. I tried to keep a stiff upper lip about it, but I was upset and my dad realized it and put on some movie and taught me how to do a running stitch (with fishing line, so it wasn't girly) to take in the extra fabric on a garment and tighten it. We took in those two uniform shirts pretty smartly and the comments dropped off a bit. Still a skill I use fairly often, one of my favorite memories of dad

  18. anon[700] • Disclaimer says:

    Inventory management is 1/2 of retail. Logistics is “settled science” and simply no longer anything more than standard business practice. They teach it in Community College.
    In the 70’s there was real innovation in this area, what with all that new computing power. The GAP also has awful systems, as they couldn’t spin off Old Navy for that reason.

    Ass far as good news, just to change things up:

    Nucoreis buying CHI Overhead Doors for \$3 billion from KKR. And:

    All of C.H.I.’s employees, including factory workers, truck drivers, and corporate personnel, are sharing in the good fortune. C.H.I.’s hourly employees and truck drivers have received \$9,000 in dividends on average since 2015. They will get on average about \$175,000 as a payout on their equity, KKR said. The most tenured employees could get more, as much as \$400,000 for long-tenured workers in the factory and \$800,000 for truck drivers. Employees that joined just this year will receive \$20,000.

  19. @notsaying
    Having a wider range of sizes in no way requires companies to order the same number of pieces of each size. If they ordered too few of the middle sizes, they did. Those were sizes they would have always offered in the past so they should have had a good idea of what they needed -- or was there increased demand due inflation and people trading down from the Gap and other more expensive stores?

    If they added extra sizes and styles for petites and plus, there was more uncertainty about how much they would sell. I hope other companies don't get discouraged and drop plans to expand sizes. Lesson here is to be more careful in ordering right number of pieces.

    I am surprised their regular customer who could not find her size didn't just order online.

    Replies: @prosa123, @James B. Shearer, @Ann K., @SaneClownPosse

    I am surprised their regular customer who could not find her size didn’t just order online.

    Buying women’s clothes online can be difficult because sizing is so arbitrary even within the same company.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @prosa123

    Here's a billion dollar idea I'm giving away here.

    I'm too old to spend the time to get it done, but it will happen.

    a) Develop or augment body scanning tech and place low cost scanning booths (or even free) in malls or in large retail clothing spaces.

    b) With body suits on, scan people for their current sizes.

    c) Develop templates for clothing pieces and styles that "fit" scanned templates. You will have to vary and adjust for women's clothes (especially) since some are best fit loose or tight, depending. Quite a bit of tech to get right.

    d) Patent all of that.

    e) Start online marketeer of clothing that correlates to your "scanned" measurements. Those you will get at the booths or sent online. When you select clothes from the online shops (and later, stores) you can use your data set to view a three D avatar showing how the new clothes, styles, etc. actually look and fit. Fit on you. Styles and colors vary. Women (and some men) will spend hours at work shopping again (maybe sell ads also with that).

    f) Get offshore clothing manufacturers to make clothes as per scanned measurements. A wide variety. They can even be made "bespoke" via computer aided machinery that cuts, sews, etc. for each scanned component.

    g) As you age or gain/lose weight, new scanned data is used for your clothing purchases.

    h) All of the scanned measurements are coded and thus, "confidential'. No more XXXX sizes on the tags. Embarrassment free shopping.

    All of these things can be done with current tech. Will take some heavy duty programming.

    "Never Buy Clothes Again That Don't Fit!"

    Since these measures are digital and universal, "size" variations under the old "numbering" systems that can vary by country, manufacturer, retailer, will never be a problem again.

    Why isn't this being done now?

    (When you get that IPO off the ground, have iSteve send me an email so I can get in on a "gratitude" slice...)

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Brutusale

  20. I can’t afford a WSJ subscription, but this article starts instead with a summary sentence.

    It’s a running joke that you don’t have a pot to piss in, so I guess there’s truth to it. It’s none of my business, but what makes you stay in California when you would probably have a better material life elsewhere, especially after swapping homes? Are all the normal people refusing to leave blue states?

    • Replies: @onetwothree
    @OilcanFloyd

    His wife probably has one of those jobs for non-shut-ins.

    Anyway, once inventory management goes out the door, you get predictable results:

    https://dilbert.com/strip/1996-04-28

    I doubt Old Navy is that stupid. They probably just borked the aspirational value of clothes-buying experience with all their BBBBBBBW (and I mean B!) models and mannequins and so sales collapsed..

    , @guest007
    @OilcanFloyd

    First guess, spouse's job that has good benefits.

    , @ScarletNumber
    @OilcanFloyd

    Methinks Steve doth protest too much, especially after his most-recent tin-cup rattling last month.

    In any event, when I just went on wsj.com, they offered me a digital subscription for $4/month with that rate lasting the full year. That's less than I pay for the satellite-radio cheapskate plan! So, Steve, if you are reading this, take a gander and perhaps you will get a similar offer.

    For the students in the readership, they are offering a year-long subscription for half of that: $24/year.

    Replies: @Jack D, @J.Ross

    , @dailydose
    @OilcanFloyd


    It’s none of my business, but what makes you stay in California when you would probably have a better material life elsewhere, especially after swapping homes?
     
    West Hollywood rentboys.
  21. It [Old Navy] did away with separate petite and plus-size departments and grouped all sizes of each style together.

    In a synchronous move toward inclusiveness & diversity, every Old Navy ship will henceforth stop segregating its heaviest component.

    Ballast will now evenly distributed throughout the entire ship. Objections will be summarily dismissed, as ballast is a social construct.

    • LOL: Wilkey
  22. @Brutusale
    Women's sizes are meaningless. The girlfriend weighs 2 pounds more today than she did when she graduated from high school (she'll be 60 next month). Her closet has clothes ranging from size 8 to size 0.

    Pro-tip for the more slender ladies: shop in the wealthier communities where the slim people are.

    Replies: @Jack D

    There has been size inflation. Remember how Steve said the average American woman is a size 18 today, up from a size 14 five years ago? That woman still thinks of herself as, and wants to wear a size 14. So when she goes to the store, she doesn’t want to buy size 18 clothes – those are for fat people, not for her. Manufacturers make formerly size 18 clothes and label them size 14 and everyone is happy.

    This is not just the last 5 years – American women have been getting fatter since the 1960s. The average American woman weighed 140 pounds in 1960, so the current 170 is 30 lbs. heavier or more than 20% more.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Jack D

    The American brands. Most European brands don't vanity size.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    , @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D


    American women have been getting fatter since the 1960s. The average American woman weighed 140 pounds in 1960, so the current 170 is 30 lbs. heavier or more than 20% more.
     
    It's not just that people are getting fatter, but they're also getting bigger in other ways - average shoe sizes in the U.S. and UK have risen over the same period.

    My guess is that some of the phenomenon of increasing weight is Boomers mushrooming the demographics due to modern medicine keeping more people alive longer, especially in the 50s-70s age cohort. (Take, for example, the treatments available which permit chronically obese people to remain alive and obese longer than nature would otherwise allow on the extreme end). Those people, particularly women, are prone to carry extra weight which is going to raise the average weight overall. Those women are also probably trying to squeeze into the same clothes worn by younger women rather than resigning themselves to live in loose house dresses like old ladies used to do.

    But on the whole more people are fat and the fat people are fatter. Lifestyles have changed, but I don't think this alone explains the substantial expansion in the average weights of Americans. I think there must be some sort of endocrine disruption in the environment making people fatter (and men less male). Diminishing testosterone alone must be responsible for a significant degree of the extra weight being carried by American men. No one in power seems to be interested in figuring this out, which leads me to believe that either there are powerful business interests which rely upon shedding endocrine disrupting chemicals into the environment or food supply as a byproduct of their industries, or that the people in power think that passive, obese androgyny among the population is a good thing, or some combination of both.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Ralph L

    , @Anon
    @Jack D


    There has been size inflation
     
    Yes, and it's not just that. Different brands market to different body builds with different amounts of ease based on their target market. Shirts can be tight, with two inches of ease, or looser with four. Waistlines can taper or not. Coats can have a lot of ease to allow for layering, or less.

    Ease is the oversizing beyond the actual body size, or in the case of lycra skin tight stuff, the ease can be negative.

    Uniqlo in Japan on their website just tells you the dimensions of the garment as a physical object. You measure yourself, add the ease you want, and order that size. Or better yet you put something that fits you on a table and measure it, say armpit to armpit when buttoned up, or across the width at the second button from the bottom, or center of collar down to the end of the cuff, etc., and order the garment that is close to those dimensions. This is the best way to deal with internet shopping for clothes. Second best is to order three sizes and return two, then order more of what fit you.
  23. A podiatrist recommended a local shop that sells excellent shoes including extra wide sizes. Joy!
    Then I learnt that the biggest size they stock is UK 12 (US 12.5). No bloody use.

    Once upon a time in a university city I was on the lookout for new trousers. I told the sales assistant that my trouble was that usually trousers were too tight on my thighs, requiring me to buy pairs that were far too big for my waist.

    “Ah yes; do you play rugby, sir, or row?”

    “Rugby; I’m glad to hear it’s a common problem. What’s the common solution?”

    “I’m afraid there is no solution, sir.”

    Is there a solution now? I did once buy a pair of trousers for the big-thighed on a visit to the US but they didn’t last long. (Nor did the shirts I bought at the same time. Is this usual in the US?)

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @dearieme

    The solution is obviously to buy the pants that are too big for your waist, and then have a seamstress take-in the waist.

  24. What do people in marketing and advertising study these days? I thought selling most things is about selling an image that customers aspire to, but apparently that’s not the case. Companies like L.L. Bean, Orvis, and Land’s End seem confused. I’m not sure if they think their average customer lives on the south side of Chicago, or if their current overwhelmingly white customers aspire to be black. Am I the one who is confused? Does wokeness for such companies affect profits?

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @OilcanFloyd

    Yes, Brooks Brothers and J. Press, too. I think the idea with having 50-60% of print and tv models be black or mulatto is that white people don’t care all that much whereas black people constantly need to see people who “ look like them” or they lose all hope.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    , @Pat Kittle
    @OilcanFloyd


    Companies like L.L. Bean, Orvis, and Land’s End seem confused. I’m not sure if they think their average customer lives on the south side of Chicago, or if their current overwhelmingly white customers aspire to be black. Am I the one who is confused? Does wokeness for such companies affect profits?
     
    Costco's also woke, but at least their clothes are cheap & plenty good enough.

    I don't embarrass easily, but I'd be plenty embarrassed wearing "designer" labels (as if all clothes aren't designed anyway).
  25. Instead of catering to slobs, they should be encouraged, if not required to lose the fat – I mean that is supposed to be healthier, right? But it’s also mean I guess, so we can’t have that. Just another sop to one more “special interest group”.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @usNthem

    Trimming fat day will come and it won't be pretty.

  26. Does the average man find Kim Kardashian’s big fat ass attractive? I think not but I understand how managers at old navy might think this plan was a great idea.

    If it’s not working they will try something else or their bosses will fire them and try some other managers. This isn’t Soviet Russia!

  27. @Mike Tre
    Walked into a Kohl's recently. More than half of the female mannequins are now are the overweight female figure.

    I've seen the articles that promote the idea that normal, as in petite, mannequins are bad for sales, but does anyone really think the below visual entices anyone to purchase more clothing?

    https://dazedimg-dazedgroup.netdna-ssl.com/1200/248-92-1470-980/azure/dazed-prod/1260/8/1268177.jpg


    The whole "fat is beautiful" narrative that the clothing industry has been instructed to promote is yet just another front in the efforts to destroy Western perceptions and standards of true beauty.

    Black is beautiful (they aren't)
    Fat is sexy (it's not)
    Tattoos, piercings, green hair, etc are attractive (no)
    Circumcision is healthy (LOL)
    Rap is music (it's noise)
    African art is equal to European art (nope)
    etc, etc, etc,

    Replies: @International Jew, @AnotherDad, @mc23, @S. Anonyia, @Dmon, @pyrrhus, @Sean, @AnotherDad, @Malla, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    What’s with the manequin in the back? Looks like Castor Semenya.

  28. Steve Sailer has mentioned more than once that he is quite tall, but I cannot remember him bringing up the experience of accommodating himself to a world built around a median several inches shorter than himself. I am 5′-11″, a little taller than the average but still a common, ordinary height for an adult male in the United States. For a couple years as a young man I was a missionary in Argentina, and there I suppose I was around the 95th percentile in height. I did enjoy usually being among the tallest in a room, but it had a downside: A few times my first year there I hit my head on things, such as a shelf in a store or the ceiling of a stairwell. After a year or so, I quite doing that, apparently having adjusted my behavior to the shorter design norm.

    The new U.S. design norm, though, is a person in a wheelchair — a short, squat figure of Oompa-Loompa dimensions. We are all bending down more than we did twenty years ago, and Steve Sailer and those of his height even more than most of us.

  29. I got mad and stopped shopping there when I saw that I was going to be paying extra for my clothing in order to subsidize fatties. I doubt there were enough like me to have been the cause of the demise, but I’m happy to think I did my part. Get woke, go broke!

  30. @AndrewR
    Americans really are a fat, lazy, gluttonous, disgusting people.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_body_weight#By_country

    Replies: @Goddard, @RAZ, @Elmer T. Jones, @Jay Fink

    Americans are jacking off with one hand and waving the white flag with the other.

  31. Anonymous[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Hodag


    There is a store out there for mostly teenage girls called Brandy Melville. They only carry size xs/s. They say that is for cost reasons but the actual function is to not have their clothes worn by fat women. It is a branding exercise.
     
    Some people are just delicately framed. There is a twentysomething girl in my office who is very petite. I recently met her fiance and he is similarly small framed. They're probably 95lbs and 125lbs respectively. Together they look like they're from a lost race of tiny wood elves or something.

    You can see that since actual sizes have drifted upwards while being mislabeled (i.e., an old M is now an S), some smaller people probably do need clothes which are actually made for delicately framed adults.

    My great aunt married a WWII paratrooper who had landed in Europe during the war. He was always very small framed. Back then she bought some of his clothes in the boy's department, which was supposed to be kept a secret because it was a source of embarrassment for him.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @guest007, @Colin Wright, @GeologyAnonMk5

    If you look at model descriptions for online retail, the male model is always 6’2″ and wearing a M.

  32. Men’s clothing is often done in measurements. Women’s is not, for whatever reason you may choose. However, the XS-XXXL has increased over the years.

    In 1983 I was running a bunch of 5, 10 & 15k’s. You always got a t-shirt. I got XL at the time because that’s what fit. Fast forward(pun intended) to the 2010 era when I took up running events after a couple decade layoff. I now got L t-shirts that fit just fine. However, I was going through an old trunk that had shirts I’d gotten from ’83. The XL’s of that era were smaller than the L’s I got in 2010.

    I imagine the entire industry, men and women, has trended the same over that period to make us think we’re slim and trim instead of fat and sloppy.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Mark in BC


    In 1983 I was running a bunch of 5, 10 & 15k’s. You always got a t-shirt. I got XL at the time because that’s what fit. Fast forward(pun intended) to the 2010 era when I took up running events after a couple decade layoff. I now got L t-shirts that fit just fine. However, I was going through an old trunk that had shirts I’d gotten from ’83. The XL’s of that era were smaller than the L’s I got in 2010.

     

    I'm a tall guy, of average build. Back in the 80s, when I still lived in USA, I always wore XLs in T-shirts, etc. But then, sometime starting in the 90s, when we'd come back to USA and do some shopping, I'd go for the XL rack as usual and start trying stuff on, and my wife finally said 'You know, those all look really boxy and loose. Why don't you try a size smaller?' I'd worn XLs for so long I never thought I could fit in a large, but lo and behold, so I could.

    XLs now seem to run very wide indeed, and ever-shorter in the body than they used to, so they don't fit me. Larges do fit widthwise, but they're often even shorter, so it's getting tough to find a decent fit outside speciality sizes (e.g. I now find I fit best in a 'Large-Tall', or even a 'Medium-Tall').
  33. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:

    Believe it or not, the “average” American woman has a 38″ waist measurement.

    Not too long ago, a 38″ waist was considered excessive for a big, strapping, six foot six inch man.

  34. @Jack D
    @Brutusale

    There has been size inflation. Remember how Steve said the average American woman is a size 18 today, up from a size 14 five years ago? That woman still thinks of herself as, and wants to wear a size 14. So when she goes to the store, she doesn't want to buy size 18 clothes - those are for fat people, not for her. Manufacturers make formerly size 18 clothes and label them size 14 and everyone is happy.

    This is not just the last 5 years - American women have been getting fatter since the 1960s. The average American woman weighed 140 pounds in 1960, so the current 170 is 30 lbs. heavier or more than 20% more.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Anon

    The American brands. Most European brands don’t vanity size.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Brutusale

    Recently bought 2 US-made t-shirts. 2xl, nice and tight, not loose like the ones from Bangladesh.

  35. RAZ says:
    @AndrewR
    Americans really are a fat, lazy, gluttonous, disgusting people.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_body_weight#By_country

    Replies: @Goddard, @RAZ, @Elmer T. Jones, @Jay Fink

    And the trend is bad as Americans (also Europeans, prob Asians) are getting fatter all the time. Which we are now supposed to accept as normal. In America the least obese state (CO) is now fatter than the most obese state (MS) was only about 30 yrs ago. The Libertarian in me couldn’t agree with what Mayor Bloomberg wanted to do in NYC with banning super size sugary drinks like Big Gulp but I understand the intent.

    Just checked the table. Average American woman 180 lbs? Damn. No wonder they need big new sizes.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @RAZ

    Don’t forget average height 5’4 So average height 170, no wonder the clothing people stocked up on big sizes.

    One theory about why Oprah Winfrey got so popular is that she’s fat. Women were so sick and tired of all the thin pretty woman on TV they loved watching fat ugly Oprah.

    Replies: @Jay Fink

  36. @OilcanFloyd

    I can’t afford a WSJ subscription, but this article starts instead with a summary sentence.
     
    It's a running joke that you don't have a pot to piss in, so I guess there's truth to it. It's none of my business, but what makes you stay in California when you would probably have a better material life elsewhere, especially after swapping homes? Are all the normal people refusing to leave blue states?

    Replies: @onetwothree, @guest007, @ScarletNumber, @dailydose

    His wife probably has one of those jobs for non-shut-ins.

    Anyway, once inventory management goes out the door, you get predictable results:

    https://dilbert.com/strip/1996-04-28

    I doubt Old Navy is that stupid. They probably just borked the aspirational value of clothes-buying experience with all their BBBBBBBW (and I mean B!) models and mannequins and so sales collapsed..

  37. There’s a newer documentary on Netflix about how Abercrombie & Fitch collapsed. It was fascinating to me because it presented in black and white how you sell clothes to teenagers and teenage-aspiring demographics. They don’t care about quality. They don’t care about price as long as it’s reasonably within reach. All they care about is buying clothes that are as maximally horny as their parents will allow. Calvin Klein in the 90s and early 2000s was too horny. Old Navy and the Gap were acceptably prude for parents’ standards but not horny at all. Abercrombie was right in the slot. Optimally horny.

    Their platonic ideal of horniness was model-skinny affluent white kids swimming at the lake house in their panties with lots of platonic skin-to-skin contact. Your imagination did the easy work to make it extremely horny. But there was plausible deniability for the parents.

    What killed Abercrombie was internal wokeness. They held out for as long as they could avoiding making plus sizes because poor people are fat, and nobody fantasizes about snuggling up around the campfire with a fatty. You don’t want fat and ugly people wearing your clothes if you want teenagers to crave your clothing brand. They avoided putting hijabi women on the sales floor not because they hated Islam but because they did not want their customer base to be faced with an overt symbol of chastity and modesty while making buying decisions. Hijabs are by definition anti-horny.

    Teenagers already were not buying Old Navy clothes. But it was an acceptable place for your Great Aunt Mary to buy you a Christmas present at because she can’t bring herself to buy something that will make you look like a whore. Kids can’t tell Great Aunt Mary that they won’t wear these clothes because they don’t make you look like a whore enough. Now the kids have an acceptable objection. No one wants to wear clothes from the muumuu bariatric store for poor people.

    Profit maximizing a clothing brand is a fine balance between being too exclusive and having no sales because only ugly people wear your stuff.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Batman


    Old Navy and the Gap were acceptably prude for parents’ standards but not horny at all. Abercrombie was right in the slot. Optimally horny....What killed Abercrombie was internal wokeness.
     
    Internal wokeness was the final nail in the coffin, but what really started killing Abercrombie & Fitch was the excessive homoeroticism. Abercrombie initially became popular in the 90s with its preppy plus sporty/outdoorsy aesthetic. Preppy clothes and rugby shirts and the like. But at some point it really started leaning into less clothing, excessive shirtlessness, homoeroticism, etc.

    https://twitter.com/DarrenJBeattie/status/1528149893260394496
  38. “Does this mannequin make me look fat?”

  39. “Most retailers sell clothes in sizes that range from 0 to 14. Adding additional sizes comes with extra costs from developing new patterns to buying extra material”

    In other words, fat Negresses will be subsidized by non-Negresses

  40. @notsaying
    Having a wider range of sizes in no way requires companies to order the same number of pieces of each size. If they ordered too few of the middle sizes, they did. Those were sizes they would have always offered in the past so they should have had a good idea of what they needed -- or was there increased demand due inflation and people trading down from the Gap and other more expensive stores?

    If they added extra sizes and styles for petites and plus, there was more uncertainty about how much they would sell. I hope other companies don't get discouraged and drop plans to expand sizes. Lesson here is to be more careful in ordering right number of pieces.

    I am surprised their regular customer who could not find her size didn't just order online.

    Replies: @prosa123, @James B. Shearer, @Ann K., @SaneClownPosse

    “I am surprised their regular customer who could not find her size didn’t just order online.”

    If she wanted to buy online she wouldn’t have bothered to go to the store.

  41. @guest007
    This sounds more like a failure of enterprise resource planning. Was the limit on the total number of a particular shirt or shorts that can be made? Did every XXXL mean that a large could not be mad? Why not make longer production runs of the most common size? Or is there a minimum order on any size and thus, when something sells well, the extra small and extra large are all that is left?

    In the day and age where the pizza delivery guy has an MBA, there should have been someone at the company who can do quantitative analysis.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @James B. Shearer

    “This sounds more like a failure of enterprise resource planning. ..”

    Maybe a failure to realize that if you are used to shopping online to get your size you may not want to switch to in store (or even realize that you can).

  42. @notsaying
    Having a wider range of sizes in no way requires companies to order the same number of pieces of each size. If they ordered too few of the middle sizes, they did. Those were sizes they would have always offered in the past so they should have had a good idea of what they needed -- or was there increased demand due inflation and people trading down from the Gap and other more expensive stores?

    If they added extra sizes and styles for petites and plus, there was more uncertainty about how much they would sell. I hope other companies don't get discouraged and drop plans to expand sizes. Lesson here is to be more careful in ordering right number of pieces.

    I am surprised their regular customer who could not find her size didn't just order online.

    Replies: @prosa123, @James B. Shearer, @Ann K., @SaneClownPosse

    Items in sold-out sizes are unavailable online just as in brick and mortar stores.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Ann K.

    Inventory management processes are far easier (except for the shear physical bulk aspect and security risks inherent in a single centralized location) at one (or a few) national fulfillment centers vs. say 1,500 stores scattered across the country. Plus (no pun intended) you don't have all these sweat hog Cheeto and chitlin' fingered mamas touching smaller size clothes (and letting their WIC babies use for a snotty nose wipe) that you might want to buy off of a brick and mortar clothes rack.

  43. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:

    The most powerful force known to the Universe is, of course, human female-to-female sexual jealousy, simply don’t believe anyone who tries to kid you otherwise – they are either a damned fool or contemptible liar.
    Of course, there are some rather profound evolutionary biological reasons why this should be so.

    Anyhow, obviously, American women haven’t really experienced the spur of full free market pulchritudinous competition, otherwise this disgraceful state of affairs simply would not exist.
    Put simply, they are the biggest bunch of over privileged and over pampered females ever exist on this planet. The pronounced and natural female tendency to comfort and idleness – stuffing the mouth with cake always wins over the battle to stay beautiful – has been allowed to run its full course in America due to the *lack of competition* from those nationalities of women who still put in the effort.

    If, for example, a distinctly masculinist President of the USA, by executive order, allowed the full fair free immigration of the young and nubile womanhood of the world *only*, you would see the likes of anger and rage and hatred such as never has been seen before, and all emanating from the obvious – an ample – quarters.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Anonymous

    The pronounced and natural female tendency to comfort and idleness – stuffing the mouth with cake always wins over the battle to stay beautiful – has been allowed to run its full course in America due to the *lack of competition* from those nationalities of women who still put in the effort.

    The simple solution is to legalize prostitution.

    It puts more pressure on average women to stay fit if men are able to buy sex directly.

    White men were talked into banning prostitution by bitter women and excessively religious men. It never made sense in the context of group interest.

    , @Corvinus
    @Anonymous

    So you’re proposing the inundation to our shores women of color, aka the mixing of the races, for the pleasure of white men in hopes of “convincing” white women to get into shape. That’s pro-immigration and anti-white. You’re not one of us.

    Unless, of course, you’re offering up much needed comedy relief. If that be the case, bravo.

  44. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @guest007


    This sounds more like a failure of enterprise resource planning. Was the limit on the total number of a particular shirt or shorts that can be made? Did every XXXL mean that a large could not be mad? Why not make longer production runs of the most common size? Or is there a minimum order on any size and thus, when something sells well, the extra small and extra large are all that is left?

    In the day and age where the pizza delivery guy has an MBA, there should have been someone at the company who can do quantitative analysis.

     

    My guess is that offering sizes on the upper end (women's 30 and XXXXL) was the result of lobbying from certain interest groups who would not-so-subtly say that S-M-L are white supremacist expectations about what women's bodies are supposed to look like, and that obese, steatopygic black women can't wear Old Navy clothes because they're not made in sizes that they need. The XS size just serves to camouflage that they're making clothes for fat women because the euphemism is "size inclusivity." I'm not sure that the budget for the stock-in-trade necessarily increases because they've added additional sizes - it sounds like they've just added sizes within the same annual budget, and that they've just shipped fewer normal sizes to stores.

    In any event, an adult size XS is still useful since it can be sold to a young teen or a child. This is not the case with a size XXXXL.

    My surmise is that there is significant variability in actual size versus stated sizes between manufacturers. So an Old Navy XXXXL might be equivalent to another retailer's XL or XXL where the latter caters to larger women. Even large women probably don't want to come to grips with being an XXXXL if there's another manufacturer that will tell them that they're merely an XL or XXL. So it's dubious that women in need of larger sizes would decamp from a manufacturer or retailer which will sell them XXXXLs sized as XLs in order to buy XXXXLs at Old Navy after shopping next to skinny bitches who wear size S. There's probably a whole psychology about this and it doesn't seem that Old Navy took any of it into account.

    Replies: @guest007, @tr

    Clothing marketers that was not size inclusive are attacked on the internet much like much of fast fashion is not attacked as being bad for the environment. When a marketing company like Shein is selling dresses for \$6 each, one knows that it only works for one wearing. The HBO comedy Hacks was making fun of this in its second season.

  45. The average American woman is a size 18 today

    Simply not believable (though internet search repeats it over and over. 5’4″ and 170 pounds).

    Based on my observations of the people around here, I’d say no more than 5% of the women are 170 pounds, and very few bigger.

    So I should like to thank these average women, wherever they are, for staying out of the public view.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Gamecock

    So, you doubt The Centers for Disease Control itself? An organisation with a reputation for thoroughness, integrity and professionalism second to none?

    , @Colin Wright
    @Gamecock

    '...So I should like to thank these average women, wherever they are, for staying out of the public view.'

    Or in Oregon.

  46. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Hodag


    There is a store out there for mostly teenage girls called Brandy Melville. They only carry size xs/s. They say that is for cost reasons but the actual function is to not have their clothes worn by fat women. It is a branding exercise.
     
    Some people are just delicately framed. There is a twentysomething girl in my office who is very petite. I recently met her fiance and he is similarly small framed. They're probably 95lbs and 125lbs respectively. Together they look like they're from a lost race of tiny wood elves or something.

    You can see that since actual sizes have drifted upwards while being mislabeled (i.e., an old M is now an S), some smaller people probably do need clothes which are actually made for delicately framed adults.

    My great aunt married a WWII paratrooper who had landed in Europe during the war. He was always very small framed. Back then she bought some of his clothes in the boy's department, which was supposed to be kept a secret because it was a source of embarrassment for him.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @guest007, @Colin Wright, @GeologyAnonMk5

    Brandy Melville appears to be an online retailer that only markets one size per item. On their website, all of the models were white which shows that they know who they are aiming at with their marketing. Unlike something like Shein where half the models (white and black) are trying to look like a Kardashian.

  47. @OilcanFloyd

    I can’t afford a WSJ subscription, but this article starts instead with a summary sentence.
     
    It's a running joke that you don't have a pot to piss in, so I guess there's truth to it. It's none of my business, but what makes you stay in California when you would probably have a better material life elsewhere, especially after swapping homes? Are all the normal people refusing to leave blue states?

    Replies: @onetwothree, @guest007, @ScarletNumber, @dailydose

    First guess, spouse’s job that has good benefits.

  48. There’s undoubtably an opportunity out there for a clothing maker to actually produce clothes that fit, and advertise them that way. Of course the Woke Media will trash the company.

  49. A corporation as big as Gap Inc. (which includes Old Navy) should have teams who sit in the malls where their stores are located and watch the people go by. Log what size they are, their sex and whether they look like they’d buy clothes from Old Navy or one of their other brands. Use that data to figure out what ratio of sizes get sent out to each store. If the mall is full of mid-sized women but far fewer leave Old Navy with a purchase, then head office will know there’s a problem.

    The size spotting teams could be trained using footage from in-store cameras. They could compare their size estimate to the actual size recorded at the cash register. The Gap could fly size-spotting all-star teams of mean girls around the country to figure this out.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Cagey Beast

    There's a great big sales and marketing dichotomy here:

    Firstly, 'trendy' retailers in women's fashion - the ones with the actual big profit margins - don't want to even to cater to fat women since the mere association with them tarnishes their brand and diminishes the brand in the eyes of the market they do want to chase, namely, attractive young women. Very literally, the 'model' for high end fashion are the supermodels, the aspiration the target market get when buying their clothes, the idea being that some of the supermodel rubs off on them with the brand. Effectively, you're buying into an exclusive club, a dream.
    If the price of maintaining this exclusivity is deliberately shunning massive, no pun intended, potential sales, then so be it. This type of attitude is extremely rare in capitalism, but in this niche of fantasy and loveability, it works.

  50. Left unspoken is the fact that this is really about black women, although the use of the word equity kind of gives it away.

    When the whole fat rights thing was mostly about white women retailers just ignored it and said “Let them shop at Lane Bryant.”

  51. @AndrewR
    Americans really are a fat, lazy, gluttonous, disgusting people.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_body_weight#By_country

    Replies: @Goddard, @RAZ, @Elmer T. Jones, @Jay Fink

    my viet wife rocks teen panties but won’t wear black bras as it makes me difficult to manage. Somewhat related, I have failed to convince her family which owns a women’s shoe factory in saigon that the time is ripe for producing a sensible ladies shoe in men’s size 13.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Troll: guest007
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Elmer T. Jones

    Bruh

  52. Though the kinds of people who are in fashion are the ones to complain the most about the wastefulness and poor working conditions of ‘fast fashion’ they are also the ones most deeply in love with it, this means they don’t tend to stock any items more than 6 months now, so not being able to not just clear but nicely clear your inventory is a big problem that just compiles over time.

    I wonder if it is an economy of scale issue in terms of it being hard for them to make orders for items under a certain number or if they really thought that there’d be an immediate influx of the tale ends of the bell curve of sizes and shapes into their stores to forestall this inevitable outcome and give them a nice marginal edge over their competition. Maybe a little of both combined with overselling the germ of an interesting idea leading to critical disappointment.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Altai

    Apparently the headquarters of H&M is heated (in part) by burning surplus inventory.

    https://goodonyou.eco/fashion-brands-burn-unsold-clothes/#:~:text=In%202017%2C%20it%20was%20revealed,practice%20in%20the%20fashion%20industry.

    Not only do the "fast fashion" brands do it, so do prestige brands such as Burberry, though for different reasons. (Burberry does it in order to create artificial scarcity to support the price).

    The mistake that Old Navy made was not to produce TOO MUCH of the large sizes. As you say, overproduction is standard industry practice - if you are selling something for $20 that cost $2 to produce, it's no big deal if you have to throw out 30% of the inventory at the end of the season. The mistake was making NOT ENOUGH of the standard sizes. If someone walks into the store intending to buy a $20 item that cost you $2 to make and you don't have it, you have now lost $18 of gross profit - enough to pay for 9 discarded items. It's better to throw out 30% of your inventory than it is to lose X% of sales, where X is a pretty small number.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

  53. One size fits all. Chinese flight-attendant training.

    • LOL: Meretricious
    • Replies: @B36
    @SafeNow

    Took a trip to Asia earlier this year and first leg was on American and second on Japan Airlines. Like night and day. The American flight attendants were all old, fat, and irritable. The Japanese attendants were all young, slender, and polite. Also on American the food wasn't fit for a dog.

    Replies: @usNthem, @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar

  54. just confirms the age-old axiom: never be nice to fats

    incidentally, the average woman in broome county is probably up around 200 lbs …

  55. @Mike Tre
    Walked into a Kohl's recently. More than half of the female mannequins are now are the overweight female figure.

    I've seen the articles that promote the idea that normal, as in petite, mannequins are bad for sales, but does anyone really think the below visual entices anyone to purchase more clothing?

    https://dazedimg-dazedgroup.netdna-ssl.com/1200/248-92-1470-980/azure/dazed-prod/1260/8/1268177.jpg


    The whole "fat is beautiful" narrative that the clothing industry has been instructed to promote is yet just another front in the efforts to destroy Western perceptions and standards of true beauty.

    Black is beautiful (they aren't)
    Fat is sexy (it's not)
    Tattoos, piercings, green hair, etc are attractive (no)
    Circumcision is healthy (LOL)
    Rap is music (it's noise)
    African art is equal to European art (nope)
    etc, etc, etc,

    Replies: @International Jew, @AnotherDad, @mc23, @S. Anonyia, @Dmon, @pyrrhus, @Sean, @AnotherDad, @Malla, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Mike you went longer.

    I was just going to note that the reigning minoritarian ideology promotes ugliness. All that is beautiful and true and healthy and enduring, they trash and wish to destroy.

    Everything–everything being pushed–is ugly.

    • Agree: Jay Fink
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @AnotherDad

    Just as Social Realism was the official style of Soviet Russia, Brutalism is the mandatory aesthetic of The Revolutionary Woke Regime. And it ain't just for buildings anymore.

    Replies: @Meretricious, @Thea

    , @Mike Tre
    @AnotherDad

    The results of a massive, multi-ethnic inferiority complex. We must be made as ugly and stupid as they are, so they don't feel so much so.

  56. @Brutusale
    @Jack D

    The American brands. Most European brands don't vanity size.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    Recently bought 2 US-made t-shirts. 2xl, nice and tight, not loose like the ones from Bangladesh.

  57. @AnotherDad
    @Mike Tre

    Mike you went longer.

    I was just going to note that the reigning minoritarian ideology promotes ugliness. All that is beautiful and true and healthy and enduring, they trash and wish to destroy.

    Everything--everything being pushed--is ugly.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Mike Tre

    Just as Social Realism was the official style of Soviet Russia, Brutalism is the mandatory aesthetic of The Revolutionary Woke Regime. And it ain’t just for buildings anymore.

    • Replies: @Meretricious
    @JimDandy

    Brutalism is not ugly. You are ignorant. Study it

    , @Thea
    @JimDandy

    An old Soviet futurist/ technology magazine promised that by 2000 the weather would be under human( actually just Soviet) control.

    This is actually a great idea if it could have materialized.

  58. @The Alarmist
    I have a couple Old Navy fleece shirts I bought in 1999, and I wear them constantly during the winter months. They are indestructible. I haven’t needed to replace them.

    I guess ON teaches itself hard lessons from time to time.

    Replies: @peterike, @bomag, @Adam Smith

    I have a couple Old Navy fleece shirts I bought in 1999, and I wear them constantly during the winter months. They are indestructible.

    I can assure you if you bought them now they wouldn’t be anywhere near the same quality. Even formerly quality conscious brands like Lands End have become vendors of junk.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @peterike


    Even formerly quality conscious brands like Lands End have become vendors of junk.
     
    I recently started buying some clothes on-line from Lands End. I haven't noticed the quality to be poor, although I'm only comparing it to what's available at Kohls or the Department Store. However I did notice that most of their models for men's clothing are young "diverse" men - various shades of black and brown - whereas I suspect most of their customers are people like me - white and middle-aged. It has been determined that white people don't even get to be a majority in clothing ads. And yet they tell us that the "Great Replacement" is a myth and a conspiracy theory.
    , @The Alarmist
    @peterike

    Yes, I have a stack of twenty+ year old Land’s End pocket-tees and polo shirts that also have not needed replacement. I bought a couple newer ones a decade ago, and get half the cloth for twice the price.

    Yay globalism!

    Replies: @Adam Smith

  59. OT: So Steve and you other Covid fans, still think the plandemic was about a virus and not about social tracking and control? Here’s the latest.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/imagine-compliance-pfizer-ceo-pitches-davos-elites-wifi-microchip-pills

    And if you want a spot-on summary of all the Covid lies, deceits and unbelievably demonic “health care” decisions that were made, this is a great summary:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9062939/pdf/SNI-13-167.pdf

    And yeah, the “just the flu” and anti-vax crowd was right about essentially everything.

    • Troll: guest007
  60. B36 says:

    I thought by now, along with flying cars, there’d be a store where you go into a booth and a machine takes 100 laser measurements of your body then feeds that into a computer which spits out a perfect pattern that a robot uses to cut and sew the perfectly fitted article of clothing for you. Later whenever you wanted new clothes (if you hadn’t gained weight) you could just order online. But like Amazon put the bookstores out of business, this would wreck the malls.

    • Agree: Muggles
    • Replies: @guest007
    @B36

    the malls are already wrecked. The value of retail commercial space is falling just like the value of office space. Many local governments are going to have problems as local sales taxes and local property tax revenues go down.

    , @dearieme
    @B36

    The nearest I've come to that is having clothing made-to-measure by Hong Kong tailors.

    It's worked well in HK, in NZ, and in the UK for suits and shirts.

    Replies: @Veracitor

  61. @Jack D
    @Brutusale

    There has been size inflation. Remember how Steve said the average American woman is a size 18 today, up from a size 14 five years ago? That woman still thinks of herself as, and wants to wear a size 14. So when she goes to the store, she doesn't want to buy size 18 clothes - those are for fat people, not for her. Manufacturers make formerly size 18 clothes and label them size 14 and everyone is happy.

    This is not just the last 5 years - American women have been getting fatter since the 1960s. The average American woman weighed 140 pounds in 1960, so the current 170 is 30 lbs. heavier or more than 20% more.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Anon

    American women have been getting fatter since the 1960s. The average American woman weighed 140 pounds in 1960, so the current 170 is 30 lbs. heavier or more than 20% more.

    It’s not just that people are getting fatter, but they’re also getting bigger in other ways – average shoe sizes in the U.S. and UK have risen over the same period.

    My guess is that some of the phenomenon of increasing weight is Boomers mushrooming the demographics due to modern medicine keeping more people alive longer, especially in the 50s-70s age cohort. (Take, for example, the treatments available which permit chronically obese people to remain alive and obese longer than nature would otherwise allow on the extreme end). Those people, particularly women, are prone to carry extra weight which is going to raise the average weight overall. Those women are also probably trying to squeeze into the same clothes worn by younger women rather than resigning themselves to live in loose house dresses like old ladies used to do.

    But on the whole more people are fat and the fat people are fatter. Lifestyles have changed, but I don’t think this alone explains the substantial expansion in the average weights of Americans. I think there must be some sort of endocrine disruption in the environment making people fatter (and men less male). Diminishing testosterone alone must be responsible for a significant degree of the extra weight being carried by American men. No one in power seems to be interested in figuring this out, which leads me to believe that either there are powerful business interests which rely upon shedding endocrine disrupting chemicals into the environment or food supply as a byproduct of their industries, or that the people in power think that passive, obese androgyny among the population is a good thing, or some combination of both.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    "No one in power seems to be interested in figuring this out, which leads me to believe that either there are powerful business interests which rely upon shedding endocrine disrupting chemicals into the environment or food supply as a byproduct of their industries"

    These days "follow the science" means collect a fat paycheck obeying your corporate or government masters.

    Good luck figuring out anything about anything in such an environment.

    , @Ralph L
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    My fridge died Friday, so I've been looking at new ones on line and at Lowes/Home Depot. Several brands advertise their water filters reduce certain pharmaceutical levels up to 98%! One even listed a few, including ibuprofen. They didn't list estrogen, however.

    Has anyone had a long lasting Samsung? My GE lasted 14 years, but the uninsulated ice chute door caused condensation puddles and black crud on the ice.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jack D

  62. B36 says:
    @SafeNow
    https://image.scoopwhoop.com/w360/s4.scoopwhoop.com/anj/bikinichin/290329556.jpg.webp

    One size fits all. Chinese flight-attendant training.

    Replies: @B36

    Took a trip to Asia earlier this year and first leg was on American and second on Japan Airlines. Like night and day. The American flight attendants were all old, fat, and irritable. The Japanese attendants were all young, slender, and polite. Also on American the food wasn’t fit for a dog.

    • Replies: @usNthem
    @B36

    Just like your average European airport vs. one in the states - night and day wrt fatties. It’s slob city wherever you go around here.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @B36


    Also on American airlines the food wasn't fit for a dog.
     
    Shows what they think of their passengers, does it not?

    I love those gloating announcements they make thanking you for "choosing American today" on routes where they have a monopoly, just before you settle into the flight magazine with the ads for marriage bureaux and overpriced wrist watches with lots of dials, made for overpaid professional athletes who fly around the country.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @B36

    Northwest Airlines' stews were in the Teamsters' union. And looked the part.

    Except, of course, the male ones.

  63. @Altai
    Though the kinds of people who are in fashion are the ones to complain the most about the wastefulness and poor working conditions of 'fast fashion' they are also the ones most deeply in love with it, this means they don't tend to stock any items more than 6 months now, so not being able to not just clear but nicely clear your inventory is a big problem that just compiles over time.

    I wonder if it is an economy of scale issue in terms of it being hard for them to make orders for items under a certain number or if they really thought that there'd be an immediate influx of the tale ends of the bell curve of sizes and shapes into their stores to forestall this inevitable outcome and give them a nice marginal edge over their competition. Maybe a little of both combined with overselling the germ of an interesting idea leading to critical disappointment.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Apparently the headquarters of H&M is heated (in part) by burning surplus inventory.

    https://goodonyou.eco/fashion-brands-burn-unsold-clothes/#:~:text=In%202017%2C%20it%20was%20revealed,practice%20in%20the%20fashion%20industry.

    Not only do the “fast fashion” brands do it, so do prestige brands such as Burberry, though for different reasons. (Burberry does it in order to create artificial scarcity to support the price).

    The mistake that Old Navy made was not to produce TOO MUCH of the large sizes. As you say, overproduction is standard industry practice – if you are selling something for \$20 that cost \$2 to produce, it’s no big deal if you have to throw out 30% of the inventory at the end of the season. The mistake was making NOT ENOUGH of the standard sizes. If someone walks into the store intending to buy a \$20 item that cost you \$2 to make and you don’t have it, you have now lost \$18 of gross profit – enough to pay for 9 discarded items. It’s better to throw out 30% of your inventory than it is to lose X% of sales, where X is a pretty small number.

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @Jack D

    "... The mistake was making NOT ENOUGH of the standard sizes. .."

    The stores are going have a limited amount of display and storage space. Waste a lot of it on stuff that won't sell and it isn't surprising that you are likely to run out of the good stuff.

  64. The average American is a disgusting pig in terms of their fitness. The average woman today is now heavier than the average man just 2 generations ago. Our national inability to move around a bit and keep our noses out of the trough unquestionably contributed to the number of deaths because of/with Covid, and not a word out of our benevolent rulers about perhaps it’s time for a national conversation about our lifestyle habits.

    I used to work for a company that had a fitness studio in the building which offered a free weekly class to employees. Almost none took advantage of it, and when the trainer once offered to buy lunch for whoever would walk the approximately 1 mile to the local health food store for lunch and back, he had zero takers, although a couple drove the 1/2 mile to Wendy’s that day.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Arclight


    I used to work for a company that had a fitness studio in the building which offered a free weekly class to employees. Almost none took advantage of it...
     
    I find the whole mess of working out in the middle of the work day entirely too annoying. You get all sweaty, and waste 20 minutes undressing, showering, and getting dressed again, or have to go back to the office all sweaty. I routinely go for a stroll around lunchtime, and will do dashes up and down the stairs several times a day, but if I use the gym in our office building it is right before going home.

    On the diet side, the best way to keep off weight (in my experience) is to bring a good sized dish full of fruits and vegetables every day and snack on them. If I go to lunch with someone I'm seldom hungry for anything more than a salad or small sandwich.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Arclight

    , @Stan Adams
    @Arclight

    As the token fatty on iSteve, I can report that, for a free lunch, I would walk a mile in the 90-degree sun with 100% humidity without a moment's hesitation. I do it just about it every day.

    I routinely walk two, three, even five miles at a time. On my days off, I leave the house on foot and combine my walking with bus rides to add variety.

    Still, I'm pretty fat.

    I understand the visceral disgust that people feel. I understand the need to discourage people from being fat. I understand that, ultimately, being fat is a choice. That being said, I don't find snide comments from rude people to be particularly helpful.

    I have a certain sense of contempt for people who can't keep their mouths shut. I have a Midwestern sense of politeness, where I assiduously avoid saying anything unpleasant about anyone within earshot while keeping the most murderous thoughts to myself. Even if I loathe you - even if I have a burning desire to decapitate you with my bare hands - I will make a Herculean effort to maintain a blandly pleasant façade. If you say something rude, I will pretend that I didn't hear it. It's not difficult for me to be nice, because I'm really quite indifferent to most people I meet. Even those I hate are rarely on my radar screen.

    At a young age I began telling myself that other people are nothing more than background noise. "They're ants; they're cockroaches; they're buzzing little gnats. They're entitled to their insignificant opinions." Over time I almost came to believe it.

    As my mother used to tell me, "People are s**t. Who cares what stupid a**holes think? F**k 'em."

    I have found my mother's advice most useful.

    An older acquaintance of mine, who fancies himself something of a mentor to me, sometimes takes it upon himself to offer his own (unsolicited) advice. "I'm going to tell you what I told my own son. If you want people to be nice to you, then you need to lose the weight."

    When he says that, I smile and think to myself (but do not say out loud), "Would that be your gay son, who most assuredly is not the man in any relationship? You must be so proud, knowing that he shed all that extra fat just so he could grow up to become a fag."

    (Yes, I know he has a valid point and I would do well to listen to him. I am aware that being fat is bad.)

    I have another older acquaintance - a New York transplant - who has no reservations about making disparaging comments about my weight. He doesn't "do" politeness - just he goes right for the jugular.

    Interestingly enough, his son is also gay. He is not happy about it. I have never said one word to him about it. But I take comfort in his misery. I enjoy imagining his discomfort as he contemplates the fact that his good little boy - the smart son, the doctor - is getting stuffed every night like a Christmas turkey.

    There are lots of people who are unhappy about lots of different things. Misery has lots of company.

    Sitting at the bus stop with the boiling noonday sun bearing down upon me, I see people riding around in their air-conditioned Lexuses with grim expressions on their faces, and I think to myself, "Losers."

    This is a monstrous thing to say, but sometimes I feel a certain grim sense of satisfaction when I learn that some thin, attractive person has just committed suicide. I have failed at a lot of things in life, but to date I have fulfilled my biological impulse to seek self-preservation.

    But, yeah, I do need to lose weight.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @James Speaks, @Justvisiting

    , @SafeNow
    @Arclight

    Along the lines of your unused fitness facility and trainer walk: At a local Cal. State campus, the dietician professor tried dedicating her lunch hour to “ Walk with the Dietician.” She walked around and around the track, and any college student (or faculty member) could walk with her and get a free, personal evaluation. She publicized this, but got zero takers. (I happened to bump into her on the track. Nice lady, professor, very smart. She practically begged me to walk with her, and I happily did. I am pretty smart about nutrition, but she identified some gaps.)

    Replies: @Arclight

  65. I remember looking very carefully at the Fredrick’s of Hollywood ads as a boy and noticing that each outfit was available in ‘sizes up to XXXXX’ I never liked to think about that very much.

  66. Digitally, shoppers can use the new toggle feature on Old Navy’s website to choose which size model they’d like to see the clothing advertised

    Great! Now that the cat is out of the bag on advertisers ability to allow customers to toggle on what they want to see on their glowing rectangle, I’d like the House of Farenheit’s setting to be as follows:

    -no tatoos, no obesity, no ugly piercings, no faggotry, no rap music, no repulsive hairstyles, no black thugery….as a starter.

    I think this “Personal digital federalism” would go a long way to making life more pleasant for everyone.

  67. @Mike Tre
    Walked into a Kohl's recently. More than half of the female mannequins are now are the overweight female figure.

    I've seen the articles that promote the idea that normal, as in petite, mannequins are bad for sales, but does anyone really think the below visual entices anyone to purchase more clothing?

    https://dazedimg-dazedgroup.netdna-ssl.com/1200/248-92-1470-980/azure/dazed-prod/1260/8/1268177.jpg


    The whole "fat is beautiful" narrative that the clothing industry has been instructed to promote is yet just another front in the efforts to destroy Western perceptions and standards of true beauty.

    Black is beautiful (they aren't)
    Fat is sexy (it's not)
    Tattoos, piercings, green hair, etc are attractive (no)
    Circumcision is healthy (LOL)
    Rap is music (it's noise)
    African art is equal to European art (nope)
    etc, etc, etc,

    Replies: @International Jew, @AnotherDad, @mc23, @S. Anonyia, @Dmon, @pyrrhus, @Sean, @AnotherDad, @Malla, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Idiocracy instead of shooting for 36-28-36 just go with a BMI of 35.

    • Replies: @LP5
    @mc23

    mc23 writes:


    Idiocracy instead of shooting for 36-28-36 just go with a BMI of 35.
     
    The 60s ideal was 36-22-36.

    That morphed into rolling in flour to find a wet spot. What a sad decline.
  68. @Mike Tre
    Walked into a Kohl's recently. More than half of the female mannequins are now are the overweight female figure.

    I've seen the articles that promote the idea that normal, as in petite, mannequins are bad for sales, but does anyone really think the below visual entices anyone to purchase more clothing?

    https://dazedimg-dazedgroup.netdna-ssl.com/1200/248-92-1470-980/azure/dazed-prod/1260/8/1268177.jpg


    The whole "fat is beautiful" narrative that the clothing industry has been instructed to promote is yet just another front in the efforts to destroy Western perceptions and standards of true beauty.

    Black is beautiful (they aren't)
    Fat is sexy (it's not)
    Tattoos, piercings, green hair, etc are attractive (no)
    Circumcision is healthy (LOL)
    Rap is music (it's noise)
    African art is equal to European art (nope)
    etc, etc, etc,

    Replies: @International Jew, @AnotherDad, @mc23, @S. Anonyia, @Dmon, @pyrrhus, @Sean, @AnotherDad, @Malla, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Notice the fat mannequins are always put into some kind of dynamic pose while the thin ones just stand rigid. It’s all so over the top.

    • Thanks: Polistra
  69. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @guest007


    This sounds more like a failure of enterprise resource planning. Was the limit on the total number of a particular shirt or shorts that can be made? Did every XXXL mean that a large could not be mad? Why not make longer production runs of the most common size? Or is there a minimum order on any size and thus, when something sells well, the extra small and extra large are all that is left?

    In the day and age where the pizza delivery guy has an MBA, there should have been someone at the company who can do quantitative analysis.

     

    My guess is that offering sizes on the upper end (women's 30 and XXXXL) was the result of lobbying from certain interest groups who would not-so-subtly say that S-M-L are white supremacist expectations about what women's bodies are supposed to look like, and that obese, steatopygic black women can't wear Old Navy clothes because they're not made in sizes that they need. The XS size just serves to camouflage that they're making clothes for fat women because the euphemism is "size inclusivity." I'm not sure that the budget for the stock-in-trade necessarily increases because they've added additional sizes - it sounds like they've just added sizes within the same annual budget, and that they've just shipped fewer normal sizes to stores.

    In any event, an adult size XS is still useful since it can be sold to a young teen or a child. This is not the case with a size XXXXL.

    My surmise is that there is significant variability in actual size versus stated sizes between manufacturers. So an Old Navy XXXXL might be equivalent to another retailer's XL or XXL where the latter caters to larger women. Even large women probably don't want to come to grips with being an XXXXL if there's another manufacturer that will tell them that they're merely an XL or XXL. So it's dubious that women in need of larger sizes would decamp from a manufacturer or retailer which will sell them XXXXLs sized as XLs in order to buy XXXXLs at Old Navy after shopping next to skinny bitches who wear size S. There's probably a whole psychology about this and it doesn't seem that Old Navy took any of it into account.

    Replies: @guest007, @tr

    My surmise is that there is significant variability in actual size versus stated sizes between manufacturers.

    My experience in men’s clothing is that at stores owned by Gap (Old Navy, Gap, and Banana Republic) clothes are sized so you have to get one size larger than at other stores.

  70. anon[314] • Disclaimer says:

    >Note to Old Navy: Publicists in Manhattan tend to have more money to spend on clothes than cashiers in Akron. Also, they tend to be more influential.

    lol, not your most perspicacious observation. Old Navy is decidedly discount clothing and not a wardrobe staple of the trendy, upper-middle class Manhattan career woman.

    While these retailers wrap the marketing of these initiatives in woke-body-positivity language, what they’re really trying to do is tap the growing fat girl market. They don’t want members of that ballooning segment cloistering themselves off and going into anti-fashion mode. You can be fat *and* look good by spending your money here.

    But then the issue becomes: does having fat/ugly women in your stores and wearing your clothes actively dissuade the hipper, sexier crowd (as regularly occurs with trendy bars/nightclubs)?

  71. @Buzz Mohawk
    We get spam from Victoria's Secret, and now it features pictures of fat black women. And I remember when the Victoria's Secret catalog was good masturbation material.

    (Hey, I'm just using Tracy Morgan's line here, okay?)


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gks2MOzweL8

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Malcolm X-Lax

    “Victoria’s Secret … now it features pictures of fat black women …”

    Mainstreaming blacks and their degraded culture has melted down American society. Talent, skill, and the aesthetic palette have all been discarded in a mass act of self-gratification by the elite and psychotically altruistic goodwhites who turned over management to creepy dot-heads and elephantine black goddesses who we all must worship lest we lose our source of income.

    • LOL: Meretricious
  72. It ended up with too many extra-small and extra-large items and too few of the rest, a mismatch that frustrated customers and contributed to falling sales and a management shake-up.

    This seems like a metaphor for our politics. Too many politicians on the Left, too many politicians on the RINO right, and not nearly enough in the sane, populist middle. But since the people buying politicians aren’t the same as the people buying clothes, there are inadequate market signals to correct the problem.

    The truth is that petite and plus-sized people know they aren’t normal size. Petite people – petite women, anyway – know it and gladly accept it. Everyone knows when a man or woman is plus-sized, and hanging in the plus-sized section or store isn’t going to make it any more obvious than it already is. Plus, separating their clothes from the rest saves them time. As a normal-sized man, I find it hellishly annoying when I search through vast stacks of shirts to never find a large, but a dozen or more XS and XXL.

    But, experts say, the bell curve has been discredited. Follow The Science.

    In some ways it has. There are far more really fit people today than 20 years ago, but also far more grotesquely obese people. The bell curve still exists, of course, but the curve has flattened quite a bit. Still I find it unbelievable that the average woman is 170.8 pounds. Perhaps that’s just the average woman who has to routinely visit the doctor. I’m a reasonably tall man, but 170 would be considered an acceptable (if slightly thin) weight for me. My wife isn’t anywhere close to 170 and while she’s thin(ish), she’s hardly a twig.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Wilkey


    Still I find it unbelievable that the average woman is 170.8 pounds.
     
    You need to visit the nearest WalMart/ghetto more often. For every 120 lb. woman like your spouse there is a 220 lb. Food Stamps fed land whale out there, just like for every 115+ IQ middle class white person there is an 85- IQ lower class white. It's a matter of (near) mathematical certainty that follows from the averages and the symmetry of the normal distribution.

    It is largely (but not entirely) a class based thing, like smoking nowadays. Poor people are high time preference people (this is one of the reasons that they are poor) - they value the enjoyment of a cigarette or a Big Mac meal with fries and a Coke NOW more than they value their health in the future just like they value a night at the bar more than they value having money in the bank.

    Add to that the fact that reducing the price always increases demand and for a lot of poor people in America the price of food is ZERO. To the extent that Food Stamps cut the grocery shopping part of their budget to nothing, they have more room in their budget for KFC and cigarettes.

    Chances are that you hang out mainly with low time preference people like yourself. How many of your friends still smoke cigarettes?

    Replies: @Meretricious, @OilcanFloyd, @John Johnson

    , @Stan Adams
    @Wilkey


    There are far more really fit people today than 20 years ago, but also far more grotesquely obese people.
     
    I was ahead of the curve 20 years ago ... I was already grotesquely obese.



    This picture was taken in 1999, two weeks before my fourteenth birthday:

    https://i.ibb.co/N6Kp3HK/1999-07-31.jpg

    When you're fat, you come to realize that taking a flattering selfie is well nigh impossible. So I focus on taking shots that capture my inner depth of character:

    https://i.ibb.co/6w82spb/fantastic-threesome.png

    Replies: @Anon, @Kylie

  73. Regression to the mean in real life means LOSSES!

    Was having a conversation about the rebooted Charmed! CW series and it’s amusing that we both thought that the young witches weren’t so hot looking as compared to the original… is lower your standards a thing for the Woke entertainment industry today?

  74. Whatever happened to Chico’s, the professional women’s clothing outlet that featured just four sizes, 0 through 3? As I recall, that equated to Normal, Fat, Really Fat and Whole Hog. The wife loved wearing ‘Size 0’ dress clothes and would ‘accidentally’ leave the tags visible.

    I read somewhere that the average adult American woman in 2020 weighed 184 pounds, at 5′ 4″ tall. I played defensive end in high school right around that weight, at a little over 6′ in height.

    Those ain’t ‘curves’, ladies. They’re slippery slopes.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Moe Gibbs

    '...I read somewhere that the average adult American woman in 2020 weighed 184 pounds, at 5′ 4″ tall. I played defensive end in high school right around that weight, at a little over 6′ in height...'

    Could be -- although black women are going to bump the average.

    On the other hand, I was thinking. You've got most people holding sedentary devices, with masses of labor-saving devices. No need to trek down to the crick for a bucket of water, etc, etc. Your wife have to chop much kindling lately? Life just used to involve moving around and carrying things and working out those biceps a lot more than it does now.

    Then there is an essentially unlimited supply of interesting and varied food -- and it tastes good! It usually tastes good because it's loaded with fats or sugar. Let's leave aside what's in my refrigerator. Within fifteen minutes I could be eating a mind-boggling array of foods -- most of them quite fattening. Ice cream, french fries, dim sum, chimichangas, fried fish, chicken-fried steak, pie with ice cream, cheetos...

    Here, one of my theories is that people in poor countries usually aren't thin because there's no food, or even because that food isn't fattening. There's enough food, and it has plenty of calories. It's because for most, there isn't much variety -- and if there's no variety, pretty soon you're only going to eat whatever will stave off hunger. Have nothing but rice and beans for a year, and I'll bet you lose any excess pounds. Couple that with days of more or less constant physical activity, and you're set.

    But for most of us, the opposite applies. So all this really is pretty inevitable. If you're at all prone to put on weight, you quite likely will. Really, if the idea was to fatten people, we couldn't do much more.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @prosa123
    @Moe Gibbs

    Whatever happened to Chico’s, the professional women’s clothing outlet that featured just four sizes, 0 through 3? As I recall, that equated to Normal, Fat, Really Fat and Whole Hog. The wife loved wearing ‘Size 0’ dress clothes and would ‘accidentally’ leave the tags visible.

    Chico's is still around, though it's had some rough times, and now carries a variety of sizes. It's one of the relatively few women's clothing retailers aimed at women over 40.
    Chico was the name of the company founders pet parrot.

  75. Feminism is just a conspiracy by attractive women to cut down the competition.

    Men like slender women— encourage fatties

    Men like pleasant, soft-spoken women — encourage angry loud mouths

    Men like young women— encourage delayed marriage with careerism

    And so on. For slender, desirable women is creates a bounty!

  76. @Arclight
    The average American is a disgusting pig in terms of their fitness. The average woman today is now heavier than the average man just 2 generations ago. Our national inability to move around a bit and keep our noses out of the trough unquestionably contributed to the number of deaths because of/with Covid, and not a word out of our benevolent rulers about perhaps it's time for a national conversation about our lifestyle habits.

    I used to work for a company that had a fitness studio in the building which offered a free weekly class to employees. Almost none took advantage of it, and when the trainer once offered to buy lunch for whoever would walk the approximately 1 mile to the local health food store for lunch and back, he had zero takers, although a couple drove the 1/2 mile to Wendy's that day.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Stan Adams, @SafeNow

    I used to work for a company that had a fitness studio in the building which offered a free weekly class to employees. Almost none took advantage of it…

    I find the whole mess of working out in the middle of the work day entirely too annoying. You get all sweaty, and waste 20 minutes undressing, showering, and getting dressed again, or have to go back to the office all sweaty. I routinely go for a stroll around lunchtime, and will do dashes up and down the stairs several times a day, but if I use the gym in our office building it is right before going home.

    On the diet side, the best way to keep off weight (in my experience) is to bring a good sized dish full of fruits and vegetables every day and snack on them. If I go to lunch with someone I’m seldom hungry for anything more than a salad or small sandwich.

    • Agree: prosa123
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Wilkey


    On the diet side, the best way to keep off weight is to bring a good sized dish full of fruits and vegetables every day and snack on them.
     
    The best way to keep off weight is not to eat snacks at all. Eat 2 or 3 moderate sized meals and nothing in between. And a lot of fruits are high in sugar and are not that much better than candy. A glass of orange juice has as much sugar as a glass of Coca Cola.

    And BTW, where did Americans get the idea that you can't walk 5 minutes without buying a bottle of water? The water itself is harmless but the endless amount of $ that is spent on bottled water is not. Believe it or not, there was a time when there was no such thing as serving sized bottles of water - there were water coolers that took 5 gal jugs (which you drank out of little paper cones) and you could buy 1 gallon bottles of spring water if the tap water in your house was no good, but those 12 oz. bottles or whatever they are didn't exist. If you were going hiking, you could fill a canteen. Our entire planet is being overrun with discarded water bottles and they are wholly unnecessary.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @AKAHorace, @tr, @John Johnson

    , @Arclight
    @Wilkey

    To clarify, the free workout class was after work, not mid-day. Anyway, the fact that no one would take a 20 minute walk each way on a 70 degree day for a free healthy meal but would drive less distance to get a loaded baked potato and huge soda says a lot. Obviously it's worse in some parts of the country compared to others, but overall it's still a disgrace.

  77. @Wilkey

    It ended up with too many extra-small and extra-large items and too few of the rest, a mismatch that frustrated customers and contributed to falling sales and a management shake-up.
     
    This seems like a metaphor for our politics. Too many politicians on the Left, too many politicians on the RINO right, and not nearly enough in the sane, populist middle. But since the people buying politicians aren't the same as the people buying clothes, there are inadequate market signals to correct the problem.

    The truth is that petite and plus-sized people know they aren't normal size. Petite people - petite women, anyway - know it and gladly accept it. Everyone knows when a man or woman is plus-sized, and hanging in the plus-sized section or store isn't going to make it any more obvious than it already is. Plus, separating their clothes from the rest saves them time. As a normal-sized man, I find it hellishly annoying when I search through vast stacks of shirts to never find a large, but a dozen or more XS and XXL.


    But, experts say, the bell curve has been discredited. Follow The Science.

     

    In some ways it has. There are far more really fit people today than 20 years ago, but also far more grotesquely obese people. The bell curve still exists, of course, but the curve has flattened quite a bit. Still I find it unbelievable that the average woman is 170.8 pounds. Perhaps that's just the average woman who has to routinely visit the doctor. I'm a reasonably tall man, but 170 would be considered an acceptable (if slightly thin) weight for me. My wife isn't anywhere close to 170 and while she's thin(ish), she's hardly a twig.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Stan Adams

    Still I find it unbelievable that the average woman is 170.8 pounds.

    You need to visit the nearest WalMart/ghetto more often. For every 120 lb. woman like your spouse there is a 220 lb. Food Stamps fed land whale out there, just like for every 115+ IQ middle class white person there is an 85- IQ lower class white. It’s a matter of (near) mathematical certainty that follows from the averages and the symmetry of the normal distribution.

    It is largely (but not entirely) a class based thing, like smoking nowadays. Poor people are high time preference people (this is one of the reasons that they are poor) – they value the enjoyment of a cigarette or a Big Mac meal with fries and a Coke NOW more than they value their health in the future just like they value a night at the bar more than they value having money in the bank.

    Add to that the fact that reducing the price always increases demand and for a lot of poor people in America the price of food is ZERO. To the extent that Food Stamps cut the grocery shopping part of their budget to nothing, they have more room in their budget for KFC and cigarettes.

    Chances are that you hang out mainly with low time preference people like yourself. How many of your friends still smoke cigarettes?

    • Replies: @Meretricious
    @Jack D

    220 lb is tiny for a well-fed Negress--try 300 lb

    https://www.google.com/search?q=300+lb+sheboon&hl=en&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ALiCzsa_DzSzRS7hUGM3pF0Hu-1qQ_Bf6w%3A1653248120901&source=hp&biw=1382&bih=713&ei=eJCKYo3wMr2cptQP76SMoAg&iflsig=AJiK0e8AAAAAYoqeiPGEvwhEzZjSoXYfb856EhyDkLlj&ved=0ahUKEwiNjN-X7fP3AhU9jokEHW8SA4QQ4dUDCAc&uact=5&oq=300+lb+sheboon&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzoECCMQJzoICAAQgAQQsQM6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOgUIABCABDoICAAQsQMQgwE6BggAEB4QBToGCAAQHhAIUABYyzNgszxoAHAAeACAAWKIAdIIkgECMTSYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZw&sclient=img#imgrc=pIDFFNJB4cJTFM

    , @OilcanFloyd
    @Jack D


    You need to visit the nearest WalMart/ghetto more often. For every 120 lb. woman like your spouse there is a 220 lb. Food Stamps fed land whale out there, just like for every 115+ IQ middle class white person there is an 85- IQ lower class white.
     
    I don't that's the distribution among whites of 85 and 115 IQs. I would think that IQs of 115 are much more common among whites than IQs of 85. Am I remembering wrong, or didn't 85 used to fall in the range of mentally retarded?

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    , @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    It is largely (but not entirely) a class based thing, like smoking nowadays. Poor people are high time preference people (this is one of the reasons that they are poor) – they value the enjoyment of a cigarette or a Big Mac meal with fries and a Coke NOW more than they value their health in the future just like they value a night at the bar more than they value having money in the bank.

    I get your point but I think the obesity problem has seeped into the middle class.

    Just drive by any social services office at lunch.

    Bunch of fat White chicks will be smoking outside.

  78. I worked as a salesman at a men’s suit store to pay my way through school. We carried stout-sized suits under the label “gentlemen’s fit”. We salesmen called them “short-arm fatties”.

    • LOL: Coemgen
  79. Clothing observation: last week I was in a Nordstrom’s, to be specific the one at the Roosevelt Field Mall in Garden City NY, and I was shocked to see that they carry very few men’s suits anymore. What was a whole wall of them a few years ago has shrunk to a couple of circular racks. My best estimate is that it’s more than a 90% reduction.

    It seems obvious that business casual and especially WFH have taken a massive toll on suit sales. Another example is suit retailer Men’s Wearhouse, which has considerably downsized. And Brooks Brothers, which carries more and more casual and women’s attire. I’m only slightly exaggerating when I say that any man wearing a suit is likely to be going to a job interview, or a life insurance salesman.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @prosa123

    Even worse must be the necktie industry. To the extent that men still wear suits, it is rarely with a tie. Neckties must be joining men's fedoras and ladies dress gloves on the list of nearly extinct items.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    , @usNthem
    @prosa123

    Concur. When I started in the financial services businesses 40 odd years ago, practically everyone wore a three piece suit. By the time I retired, practically no one was even wearing a tie.

    , @BracketCreep
    @prosa123

    Some time in the last 10 years or so, NYC enacted some kind of regulations that effectively banned dress codes.

    I worked for a financial services firm which expected men to wear suits (while women wore pretty much anything they wanted). Nothing like standing on a 100* train platform in a wool suit. Then wearing that same suit four days later. Even back office people were afflicted.

    Then one day, out of the blue, the edict came down: business casual every day. Eventually I noticed fewer PATH riders suited. Not a good time for Mens Warehouse.

    , @John Johnson
    @prosa123

    I’m only slightly exaggerating when I say that any man wearing a suit is likely to be going to a job interview, or a life insurance salesman.

    That is the west coast.

    The east coast white shirt and black tie is still a thing.

    I honestly hate business casual. I think it is a gay in between.

    I'd rather do real casual or the suit.

    Problem with the suits is the heat.

    Replies: @Farenheit

    , @epebble
    @prosa123

    any man wearing a suit is likely to be going to a job interview

    This was many years back: when I was called for an interview, I was given specific dress code: Don't wear a suit. I was a bit puzzled; later I found out that they had an unwritten rule: Suit wearing implies not strong on technology - more of a manager than technologist material. They wanted to "protect" me from their bias.

    , @Calvin Hobbes
    @prosa123

    Nordstrom has gone completely woke, with 433 “gender inclusive” items:

    https://www.nordstrom.com/sr?origin=keywordsearch&keyword=Gender%20Inclusive

    For example:

    Pride Gender Inclusive Stretch Minidress

    https://www.nordstrom.com/s/pride-gender-inclusive-stretch-minidress/5872115?origin=keywordsearch-personalizedsort&breadcrumb=Home%2FAll%20Results&color=100

    Gender Inclusive High Waist High Cut Briefs

    https://www.nordstrom.com/s/human-nation-gender-inclusive-high-waist-high-cut-briefs/5914112?origin=keywordsearch-personalizedsort&breadcrumb=Home%2FAll%20Results&color=001

    I’m waiting for a big sale before I get the Minidress and the High Cut Briefs.

    , @Corn
    @prosa123


    I’m only slightly exaggerating when I say that any man wearing a suit is likely to be going to a job interview, or a life insurance salesman.
     
    I tend to assume he’s going to a funeral
  80. @Wilkey
    @Arclight


    I used to work for a company that had a fitness studio in the building which offered a free weekly class to employees. Almost none took advantage of it...
     
    I find the whole mess of working out in the middle of the work day entirely too annoying. You get all sweaty, and waste 20 minutes undressing, showering, and getting dressed again, or have to go back to the office all sweaty. I routinely go for a stroll around lunchtime, and will do dashes up and down the stairs several times a day, but if I use the gym in our office building it is right before going home.

    On the diet side, the best way to keep off weight (in my experience) is to bring a good sized dish full of fruits and vegetables every day and snack on them. If I go to lunch with someone I'm seldom hungry for anything more than a salad or small sandwich.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Arclight

    On the diet side, the best way to keep off weight is to bring a good sized dish full of fruits and vegetables every day and snack on them.

    The best way to keep off weight is not to eat snacks at all. Eat 2 or 3 moderate sized meals and nothing in between. And a lot of fruits are high in sugar and are not that much better than candy. A glass of orange juice has as much sugar as a glass of Coca Cola.

    And BTW, where did Americans get the idea that you can’t walk 5 minutes without buying a bottle of water? The water itself is harmless but the endless amount of \$ that is spent on bottled water is not. Believe it or not, there was a time when there was no such thing as serving sized bottles of water – there were water coolers that took 5 gal jugs (which you drank out of little paper cones) and you could buy 1 gallon bottles of spring water if the tap water in your house was no good, but those 12 oz. bottles or whatever they are didn’t exist. If you were going hiking, you could fill a canteen. Our entire planet is being overrun with discarded water bottles and they are wholly unnecessary.

    • Agree: Calvin Hobbes
    • Thanks: bomag
    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Jack D


    The best way to keep off weight is not to eat snacks at all. Eat 2 or 3 moderate sized meals and nothing in between.

     

    True - if you aren't me. But I have never been able to give up snacking between meals, so I just have to make sure I'm snacking on something healthy.

    I have actually used a calorie tracker from time to time, and the added sugars and calories from the fruit I'm eating aren't much. Mostly I just snack on vegetables.

    , @AKAHorace
    @Jack D

    Drinking water can make you less hungry. It also means that you are less likely to drink coke.

    As well as this until recently people tended not get enough water in their diet. There are few downsides to drinking too much water.

    , @tr
    @Jack D


    A glass of orange juice has as much sugar as a glass of Coca Cola.
     
    The sugar in Coke is high fructose. The sugar in orange juice is all fructose.
    , @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    The best way to keep off weight is not to eat snacks at all. Eat 2 or 3 moderate sized meals and nothing in between.

    I can easily burn calories just by cutting carbs in half. I don't think Americans realize how many carbs they eat throughout the day. Eating crackers while watching TV should not be normal. It doesn't matter if they have fiber in them or aren't covered in cheese.

    And a lot of fruits are high in sugar and are not that much better than candy. A glass of orange juice has as much sugar as a glass of Coca Cola.

    The American love affair with juice needs to end. A large glass of OJ with breakfast is not healthy. Yes it has Vitamin C but so does half the stuff you eat.

    And BTW, where did Americans get the idea that you can’t walk 5 minutes without buying a bottle of water?

    Where did Americans get the idea that you need a camel pack for a day hike? I see people out with REI camel packs for zero grade hikes. These are the same people that won't piss outside and hold it in until they get back.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  81. Get woke, disappointing profit forecast.

  82. @prosa123
    Clothing observation: last week I was in a Nordstrom's, to be specific the one at the Roosevelt Field Mall in Garden City NY, and I was shocked to see that they carry very few men's suits anymore. What was a whole wall of them a few years ago has shrunk to a couple of circular racks. My best estimate is that it's more than a 90% reduction.

    It seems obvious that business casual and especially WFH have taken a massive toll on suit sales. Another example is suit retailer Men's Wearhouse, which has considerably downsized. And Brooks Brothers, which carries more and more casual and women's attire. I'm only slightly exaggerating when I say that any man wearing a suit is likely to be going to a job interview, or a life insurance salesman.

    Replies: @Jack D, @usNthem, @BracketCreep, @John Johnson, @epebble, @Calvin Hobbes, @Corn

    Even worse must be the necktie industry. To the extent that men still wear suits, it is rarely with a tie. Neckties must be joining men’s fedoras and ladies dress gloves on the list of nearly extinct items.

    • Agree: prosa123
    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Jack D

    As long as ties remain the go-to Fathers Day gift, the industry will live on. I happen to enjoy my tie collection

  83. @prosa123
    Clothing observation: last week I was in a Nordstrom's, to be specific the one at the Roosevelt Field Mall in Garden City NY, and I was shocked to see that they carry very few men's suits anymore. What was a whole wall of them a few years ago has shrunk to a couple of circular racks. My best estimate is that it's more than a 90% reduction.

    It seems obvious that business casual and especially WFH have taken a massive toll on suit sales. Another example is suit retailer Men's Wearhouse, which has considerably downsized. And Brooks Brothers, which carries more and more casual and women's attire. I'm only slightly exaggerating when I say that any man wearing a suit is likely to be going to a job interview, or a life insurance salesman.

    Replies: @Jack D, @usNthem, @BracketCreep, @John Johnson, @epebble, @Calvin Hobbes, @Corn

    Concur. When I started in the financial services businesses 40 odd years ago, practically everyone wore a three piece suit. By the time I retired, practically no one was even wearing a tie.

    • Agree: prosa123
  84. @Jack D
    @Wilkey


    On the diet side, the best way to keep off weight is to bring a good sized dish full of fruits and vegetables every day and snack on them.
     
    The best way to keep off weight is not to eat snacks at all. Eat 2 or 3 moderate sized meals and nothing in between. And a lot of fruits are high in sugar and are not that much better than candy. A glass of orange juice has as much sugar as a glass of Coca Cola.

    And BTW, where did Americans get the idea that you can't walk 5 minutes without buying a bottle of water? The water itself is harmless but the endless amount of $ that is spent on bottled water is not. Believe it or not, there was a time when there was no such thing as serving sized bottles of water - there were water coolers that took 5 gal jugs (which you drank out of little paper cones) and you could buy 1 gallon bottles of spring water if the tap water in your house was no good, but those 12 oz. bottles or whatever they are didn't exist. If you were going hiking, you could fill a canteen. Our entire planet is being overrun with discarded water bottles and they are wholly unnecessary.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @AKAHorace, @tr, @John Johnson

    The best way to keep off weight is not to eat snacks at all. Eat 2 or 3 moderate sized meals and nothing in between.

    True – if you aren’t me. But I have never been able to give up snacking between meals, so I just have to make sure I’m snacking on something healthy.

    I have actually used a calorie tracker from time to time, and the added sugars and calories from the fruit I’m eating aren’t much. Mostly I just snack on vegetables.

  85. @Mike Tre
    Walked into a Kohl's recently. More than half of the female mannequins are now are the overweight female figure.

    I've seen the articles that promote the idea that normal, as in petite, mannequins are bad for sales, but does anyone really think the below visual entices anyone to purchase more clothing?

    https://dazedimg-dazedgroup.netdna-ssl.com/1200/248-92-1470-980/azure/dazed-prod/1260/8/1268177.jpg


    The whole "fat is beautiful" narrative that the clothing industry has been instructed to promote is yet just another front in the efforts to destroy Western perceptions and standards of true beauty.

    Black is beautiful (they aren't)
    Fat is sexy (it's not)
    Tattoos, piercings, green hair, etc are attractive (no)
    Circumcision is healthy (LOL)
    Rap is music (it's noise)
    African art is equal to European art (nope)
    etc, etc, etc,

    Replies: @International Jew, @AnotherDad, @mc23, @S. Anonyia, @Dmon, @pyrrhus, @Sean, @AnotherDad, @Malla, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

  86. 170 lbs for a woman?

    I’m ~ 6′ 1″ and at my thinnest, I was 195. I’m disgusted that a man who is 5 inches taller than the average woman, can weigh only 25 lbs more. I should think it would be more like 50 lbs.

    P.S.

    Nicole Cueto… Definitely would

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Dr. Krieger

    Average female AND male weights are way too high when you consider height. 200 lbs for most men is about as bad as 170 lbs for women. My husband is only 35 pounds heavier than me, and we have a 5 inch height difference. Both of us are casual distance runners and relatively thin, but not skinny.

    Your comment is evidence that men can be as bad with the “big is healthy” nonsense as women.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Dr. Krieger


    "P.S.

    Nicole Cueto… Definitely would"
     

    She certainly fills that blouse to effect.

    https://i.postimg.cc/XYtHMVxr/cueto.jpg

    But this article, about how she decorates/furnishes her apartment is terribly sad - it would be OK were she 24, but she's a 39 year old "dog mom" living in a 1-bed NYC apartment who calls herself "The Cuban Carrie" on Instagram.

    https://www.apartmenttherapy.com/the-cuban-carrie-small-nyc-rental-apartment-photos-36982753


    Name: Nicole Cueto and dog, Marty
    Location: New York City, New York
    Size: Approximately 600 square feet
    Type of Home: One-bedroom apartment with a separate loft
    Years lived in: 1 year, renting

    Lawyer-turned-communications professional Nicole Cueto says her home is reflection of all the things she loves. “I’m inspired by so many things including my global travels, love of all things of the past, and my Hispanic heritage,” says Nicole, who is a Director at Bevel PR and The Cuban Carrie on Instagram. Originally from Miami, with a stint living in D.C., she’s called New York City home for seven years, and has been renting this one-bedroom apartment for a year in New York’s West Village.
     

    Cities are fertility sinks.
  87. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D


    American women have been getting fatter since the 1960s. The average American woman weighed 140 pounds in 1960, so the current 170 is 30 lbs. heavier or more than 20% more.
     
    It's not just that people are getting fatter, but they're also getting bigger in other ways - average shoe sizes in the U.S. and UK have risen over the same period.

    My guess is that some of the phenomenon of increasing weight is Boomers mushrooming the demographics due to modern medicine keeping more people alive longer, especially in the 50s-70s age cohort. (Take, for example, the treatments available which permit chronically obese people to remain alive and obese longer than nature would otherwise allow on the extreme end). Those people, particularly women, are prone to carry extra weight which is going to raise the average weight overall. Those women are also probably trying to squeeze into the same clothes worn by younger women rather than resigning themselves to live in loose house dresses like old ladies used to do.

    But on the whole more people are fat and the fat people are fatter. Lifestyles have changed, but I don't think this alone explains the substantial expansion in the average weights of Americans. I think there must be some sort of endocrine disruption in the environment making people fatter (and men less male). Diminishing testosterone alone must be responsible for a significant degree of the extra weight being carried by American men. No one in power seems to be interested in figuring this out, which leads me to believe that either there are powerful business interests which rely upon shedding endocrine disrupting chemicals into the environment or food supply as a byproduct of their industries, or that the people in power think that passive, obese androgyny among the population is a good thing, or some combination of both.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Ralph L

    “No one in power seems to be interested in figuring this out, which leads me to believe that either there are powerful business interests which rely upon shedding endocrine disrupting chemicals into the environment or food supply as a byproduct of their industries”

    These days “follow the science” means collect a fat paycheck obeying your corporate or government masters.

    Good luck figuring out anything about anything in such an environment.

  88. @B36
    @SafeNow

    Took a trip to Asia earlier this year and first leg was on American and second on Japan Airlines. Like night and day. The American flight attendants were all old, fat, and irritable. The Japanese attendants were all young, slender, and polite. Also on American the food wasn't fit for a dog.

    Replies: @usNthem, @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar

    Just like your average European airport vs. one in the states – night and day wrt fatties. It’s slob city wherever you go around here.

  89. ‘Old Navy really invested in equality around sizing, not just in the product but from the way the stores were laid out.”’

    They put in really wide aisles? What?

  90. @B36
    I thought by now, along with flying cars, there'd be a store where you go into a booth and a machine takes 100 laser measurements of your body then feeds that into a computer which spits out a perfect pattern that a robot uses to cut and sew the perfectly fitted article of clothing for you. Later whenever you wanted new clothes (if you hadn't gained weight) you could just order online. But like Amazon put the bookstores out of business, this would wreck the malls.

    Replies: @guest007, @dearieme

    the malls are already wrecked. The value of retail commercial space is falling just like the value of office space. Many local governments are going to have problems as local sales taxes and local property tax revenues go down.

  91. my brothers in christ it is ye who created a car-dependent society and eat nothing but fried food, twice-bakt potatoes, and boigers

  92. @Arclight
    The average American is a disgusting pig in terms of their fitness. The average woman today is now heavier than the average man just 2 generations ago. Our national inability to move around a bit and keep our noses out of the trough unquestionably contributed to the number of deaths because of/with Covid, and not a word out of our benevolent rulers about perhaps it's time for a national conversation about our lifestyle habits.

    I used to work for a company that had a fitness studio in the building which offered a free weekly class to employees. Almost none took advantage of it, and when the trainer once offered to buy lunch for whoever would walk the approximately 1 mile to the local health food store for lunch and back, he had zero takers, although a couple drove the 1/2 mile to Wendy's that day.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Stan Adams, @SafeNow

    As the token fatty on iSteve, I can report that, for a free lunch, I would walk a mile in the 90-degree sun with 100% humidity without a moment’s hesitation. I do it just about it every day.

    I routinely walk two, three, even five miles at a time. On my days off, I leave the house on foot and combine my walking with bus rides to add variety.

    Still, I’m pretty fat.

    [MORE]

    I understand the visceral disgust that people feel. I understand the need to discourage people from being fat. I understand that, ultimately, being fat is a choice. That being said, I don’t find snide comments from rude people to be particularly helpful.

    I have a certain sense of contempt for people who can’t keep their mouths shut. I have a Midwestern sense of politeness, where I assiduously avoid saying anything unpleasant about anyone within earshot while keeping the most murderous thoughts to myself. Even if I loathe you – even if I have a burning desire to decapitate you with my bare hands – I will make a Herculean effort to maintain a blandly pleasant façade. If you say something rude, I will pretend that I didn’t hear it. It’s not difficult for me to be nice, because I’m really quite indifferent to most people I meet. Even those I hate are rarely on my radar screen.

    At a young age I began telling myself that other people are nothing more than background noise. “They’re ants; they’re cockroaches; they’re buzzing little gnats. They’re entitled to their insignificant opinions.” Over time I almost came to believe it.

    As my mother used to tell me, “People are s**t. Who cares what stupid a**holes think? F**k ’em.”

    I have found my mother’s advice most useful.

    An older acquaintance of mine, who fancies himself something of a mentor to me, sometimes takes it upon himself to offer his own (unsolicited) advice. “I’m going to tell you what I told my own son. If you want people to be nice to you, then you need to lose the weight.”

    When he says that, I smile and think to myself (but do not say out loud), “Would that be your gay son, who most assuredly is not the man in any relationship? You must be so proud, knowing that he shed all that extra fat just so he could grow up to become a fag.”

    (Yes, I know he has a valid point and I would do well to listen to him. I am aware that being fat is bad.)

    I have another older acquaintance – a New York transplant – who has no reservations about making disparaging comments about my weight. He doesn’t “do” politeness – just he goes right for the jugular.

    Interestingly enough, his son is also gay. He is not happy about it. I have never said one word to him about it. But I take comfort in his misery. I enjoy imagining his discomfort as he contemplates the fact that his good little boy – the smart son, the doctor – is getting stuffed every night like a Christmas turkey.

    There are lots of people who are unhappy about lots of different things. Misery has lots of company.

    Sitting at the bus stop with the boiling noonday sun bearing down upon me, I see people riding around in their air-conditioned Lexuses with grim expressions on their faces, and I think to myself, “Losers.”

    This is a monstrous thing to say, but sometimes I feel a certain grim sense of satisfaction when I learn that some thin, attractive person has just committed suicide. I have failed at a lot of things in life, but to date I have fulfilled my biological impulse to seek self-preservation.

    But, yeah, I do need to lose weight.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Stan Adams

    As the token fatty on iSteve

    The rest of us look just like Kate Middleton with a beard.

    I put 30 lbs on my willowy frame in 2 yrs when my thyroid became underactive in my late 50s. With medication, my lethargy decreased but my weight sure didn't.

    , @James Speaks
    @Stan Adams

    Weight loss Fat loss is counter-intuitive. Get your fill of lean meet and legumes, even if you go over your "calorie budget." Your metabolism will adapt. However, deprive your body of calories, and you will lose muscle mass and gain fat.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @Justvisiting
    @Stan Adams

    When I was in my young twenties I was an overweight guy--years of college food and liquor was probably the main cause.

    I had a gruff uncle who took me aside and asked me:

    Uncle: "Do you like hot women?'

    Me: "Yeah"

    Uncle: "Do you have one of your own now?

    Me: "No"

    Uncle: "Do you want to get and keep one?

    Me: "Yeah"

    Uncle: "Then lose the weight."

    I hated him for that conversation--wanted to punch him out on the spot.

    But--I lost the weight and he was right.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Stan Adams

  93. @Moe Gibbs
    Whatever happened to Chico's, the professional women's clothing outlet that featured just four sizes, 0 through 3? As I recall, that equated to Normal, Fat, Really Fat and Whole Hog. The wife loved wearing 'Size 0' dress clothes and would 'accidentally' leave the tags visible.

    I read somewhere that the average adult American woman in 2020 weighed 184 pounds, at 5' 4" tall. I played defensive end in high school right around that weight, at a little over 6' in height.

    Those ain't 'curves', ladies. They're slippery slopes.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @prosa123

    ‘…I read somewhere that the average adult American woman in 2020 weighed 184 pounds, at 5′ 4″ tall. I played defensive end in high school right around that weight, at a little over 6′ in height…’

    Could be — although black women are going to bump the average.

    On the other hand, I was thinking. You’ve got most people holding sedentary devices, with masses of labor-saving devices. No need to trek down to the crick for a bucket of water, etc, etc. Your wife have to chop much kindling lately? Life just used to involve moving around and carrying things and working out those biceps a lot more than it does now.

    Then there is an essentially unlimited supply of interesting and varied food — and it tastes good! It usually tastes good because it’s loaded with fats or sugar. Let’s leave aside what’s in my refrigerator. Within fifteen minutes I could be eating a mind-boggling array of foods — most of them quite fattening. Ice cream, french fries, dim sum, chimichangas, fried fish, chicken-fried steak, pie with ice cream, cheetos…

    Here, one of my theories is that people in poor countries usually aren’t thin because there’s no food, or even because that food isn’t fattening. There’s enough food, and it has plenty of calories. It’s because for most, there isn’t much variety — and if there’s no variety, pretty soon you’re only going to eat whatever will stave off hunger. Have nothing but rice and beans for a year, and I’ll bet you lose any excess pounds. Couple that with days of more or less constant physical activity, and you’re set.

    But for most of us, the opposite applies. So all this really is pretty inevitable. If you’re at all prone to put on weight, you quite likely will. Really, if the idea was to fatten people, we couldn’t do much more.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Colin Wright

    I rented a cabin with some friends in the winter.

    Just getting the fire going every day gets you some exercise. It also had an older kitchen so making a dinner took twice as long.

    All kinds of physical work has not only been replaced with machines but also illegals.

    I complain about doing yard work but most the White guys in my area pay Mexicans to do it. Mostly Trump voters. I would be embarrassed to pay Mexicans while I watch TV.

    In certain parts of the country it is the norm for White women to plan parties or gossip while immigrants do the cleaning and laundry.

    Really obese people tend to have awful diets and sedentary hobbies. They work a job in a chair and then come home to watch TV.

    I really don't get it. I've worked a desk job full time and the last thing I wanted to do in the evening was sit on the couch. It really starts to beat up your back actually if you never exercise. People aren't designed to sit 12 hours a day.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  94. @prosa123
    Clothing observation: last week I was in a Nordstrom's, to be specific the one at the Roosevelt Field Mall in Garden City NY, and I was shocked to see that they carry very few men's suits anymore. What was a whole wall of them a few years ago has shrunk to a couple of circular racks. My best estimate is that it's more than a 90% reduction.

    It seems obvious that business casual and especially WFH have taken a massive toll on suit sales. Another example is suit retailer Men's Wearhouse, which has considerably downsized. And Brooks Brothers, which carries more and more casual and women's attire. I'm only slightly exaggerating when I say that any man wearing a suit is likely to be going to a job interview, or a life insurance salesman.

    Replies: @Jack D, @usNthem, @BracketCreep, @John Johnson, @epebble, @Calvin Hobbes, @Corn

    Some time in the last 10 years or so, NYC enacted some kind of regulations that effectively banned dress codes.

    I worked for a financial services firm which expected men to wear suits (while women wore pretty much anything they wanted). Nothing like standing on a 100* train platform in a wool suit. Then wearing that same suit four days later. Even back office people were afflicted.

    Then one day, out of the blue, the edict came down: business casual every day. Eventually I noticed fewer PATH riders suited. Not a good time for Mens Warehouse.

  95. @Moe Gibbs
    Whatever happened to Chico's, the professional women's clothing outlet that featured just four sizes, 0 through 3? As I recall, that equated to Normal, Fat, Really Fat and Whole Hog. The wife loved wearing 'Size 0' dress clothes and would 'accidentally' leave the tags visible.

    I read somewhere that the average adult American woman in 2020 weighed 184 pounds, at 5' 4" tall. I played defensive end in high school right around that weight, at a little over 6' in height.

    Those ain't 'curves', ladies. They're slippery slopes.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @prosa123

    Whatever happened to Chico’s, the professional women’s clothing outlet that featured just four sizes, 0 through 3? As I recall, that equated to Normal, Fat, Really Fat and Whole Hog. The wife loved wearing ‘Size 0’ dress clothes and would ‘accidentally’ leave the tags visible.

    Chico’s is still around, though it’s had some rough times, and now carries a variety of sizes. It’s one of the relatively few women’s clothing retailers aimed at women over 40.
    Chico was the name of the company founders pet parrot.

  96. @Mike Tre
    Walked into a Kohl's recently. More than half of the female mannequins are now are the overweight female figure.

    I've seen the articles that promote the idea that normal, as in petite, mannequins are bad for sales, but does anyone really think the below visual entices anyone to purchase more clothing?

    https://dazedimg-dazedgroup.netdna-ssl.com/1200/248-92-1470-980/azure/dazed-prod/1260/8/1268177.jpg


    The whole "fat is beautiful" narrative that the clothing industry has been instructed to promote is yet just another front in the efforts to destroy Western perceptions and standards of true beauty.

    Black is beautiful (they aren't)
    Fat is sexy (it's not)
    Tattoos, piercings, green hair, etc are attractive (no)
    Circumcision is healthy (LOL)
    Rap is music (it's noise)
    African art is equal to European art (nope)
    etc, etc, etc,

    Replies: @International Jew, @AnotherDad, @mc23, @S. Anonyia, @Dmon, @pyrrhus, @Sean, @AnotherDad, @Malla, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Nauseating…who wants to look at fat women…or fat men? And sometimes I see them in restaurants with already fat children, which is a tragedy….

  97. Sean says:
    @Mike Tre
    Walked into a Kohl's recently. More than half of the female mannequins are now are the overweight female figure.

    I've seen the articles that promote the idea that normal, as in petite, mannequins are bad for sales, but does anyone really think the below visual entices anyone to purchase more clothing?

    https://dazedimg-dazedgroup.netdna-ssl.com/1200/248-92-1470-980/azure/dazed-prod/1260/8/1268177.jpg


    The whole "fat is beautiful" narrative that the clothing industry has been instructed to promote is yet just another front in the efforts to destroy Western perceptions and standards of true beauty.

    Black is beautiful (they aren't)
    Fat is sexy (it's not)
    Tattoos, piercings, green hair, etc are attractive (no)
    Circumcision is healthy (LOL)
    Rap is music (it's noise)
    African art is equal to European art (nope)
    etc, etc, etc,

    Replies: @International Jew, @AnotherDad, @mc23, @S. Anonyia, @Dmon, @pyrrhus, @Sean, @AnotherDad, @Malla, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    The world’s first living trademark, former slave ‘Aunt Jemima’ a model whose real name was (like the Old Navy CEO), “Nancy Green”. Fat and happy sells a whole lot of pancakes.

    Old Navy’s Nancy is Jewish of course but she lacks the killer instinct. Unlike Von Furstenberg, who kept the name when she divorced minor European royalty husband in 1968. Her Moldavian Jewish father gave her brains but her Jewish mother was (personality is mainly from one’s mother), was a resistance fighter in Greece sent to Auschwitz.

    ‘Nobody goes to a plastic surgeon and says, “Make me fat”‘: Victoria’s Secret owner Les Wexner, 82, mocked efforts to champion women of different sizes

    Shocking!

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Sean

    But Victoria Secret has been in financial trouble for years. Part of that was refusing to market to larger women and part of that was being very slow to the athleisure market.

  98. @AnotherDad
    @Mike Tre

    Mike you went longer.

    I was just going to note that the reigning minoritarian ideology promotes ugliness. All that is beautiful and true and healthy and enduring, they trash and wish to destroy.

    Everything--everything being pushed--is ugly.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Mike Tre

    The results of a massive, multi-ethnic inferiority complex. We must be made as ugly and stupid as they are, so they don’t feel so much so.

  99. @Wilkey
    @Arclight


    I used to work for a company that had a fitness studio in the building which offered a free weekly class to employees. Almost none took advantage of it...
     
    I find the whole mess of working out in the middle of the work day entirely too annoying. You get all sweaty, and waste 20 minutes undressing, showering, and getting dressed again, or have to go back to the office all sweaty. I routinely go for a stroll around lunchtime, and will do dashes up and down the stairs several times a day, but if I use the gym in our office building it is right before going home.

    On the diet side, the best way to keep off weight (in my experience) is to bring a good sized dish full of fruits and vegetables every day and snack on them. If I go to lunch with someone I'm seldom hungry for anything more than a salad or small sandwich.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Arclight

    To clarify, the free workout class was after work, not mid-day. Anyway, the fact that no one would take a 20 minute walk each way on a 70 degree day for a free healthy meal but would drive less distance to get a loaded baked potato and huge soda says a lot. Obviously it’s worse in some parts of the country compared to others, but overall it’s still a disgrace.

  100. @roonaldo
    Meanwhile, Southwest Airlines is acquiring 747 Jumbo Jets for their "Pigs Fly" campaign, Carnival is converting surplus Supertankers for "Whales Watching Whales" cruises, and Greyhound is ditching their iconic image and rebranding as Bassetthound.

    Replies: @Alfa158

    I think it was Chris Rock who did a skit about having an airline that exclusively flies all the heavy people, so that they aren’t on the other flights overflowing into the seat space of lighter people. I think he said it would be called Buffalo Airways and their marketing slogan would be “We’re going to do our best to get your fat ass off the ground”.

    • LOL: roonaldo
  101. @Mike Tre
    Walked into a Kohl's recently. More than half of the female mannequins are now are the overweight female figure.

    I've seen the articles that promote the idea that normal, as in petite, mannequins are bad for sales, but does anyone really think the below visual entices anyone to purchase more clothing?

    https://dazedimg-dazedgroup.netdna-ssl.com/1200/248-92-1470-980/azure/dazed-prod/1260/8/1268177.jpg


    The whole "fat is beautiful" narrative that the clothing industry has been instructed to promote is yet just another front in the efforts to destroy Western perceptions and standards of true beauty.

    Black is beautiful (they aren't)
    Fat is sexy (it's not)
    Tattoos, piercings, green hair, etc are attractive (no)
    Circumcision is healthy (LOL)
    Rap is music (it's noise)
    African art is equal to European art (nope)
    etc, etc, etc,

    Replies: @International Jew, @AnotherDad, @mc23, @S. Anonyia, @Dmon, @pyrrhus, @Sean, @AnotherDad, @Malla, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Black is beautiful (they aren’t)

    One of the weaknesses of minoritarianism is that the Jews are stuck with blacks as their designated victims. Jewish oppression in American was/is a trivial joke. (Though true believers can get all hot and bothered nonetheless–there is no end to the tribal self-absorption.) So to attack the legitimacy of the American establishment it was slavery, lynching, Jim Crow … Emmett Till, Till, Till!

    But blacks just are not attractive. It’s not like a case–perfectly possible–where whites were better at the X, Y, Z of white society and so black cluster at the socio-economic bottom, but blacks are better at A, B, C, where B is better looking. Rather it is pretty much an end-to-end sweep, with blacks only better at more fast-twitch muscle and rhythm.

    And in particular much less attractive. And this isn’t a just an old white American guy perspective, but basically the conclusion of everyone around the world. Most people like the look of their own people, but then find various other peoples more or less decent looking. But none of them like the look of blacks.

    And this if further amped up by the sex skew. Black men at least have athleticism from higher fast-twitch muscle. But black women are saddled with bad hair and dark skin–both strongly working against the normal lustrous hair, “fairer sex” sex skew within each race. Plus the strong tendency toward fat-ass fatness. Blacks dumped into racially mixed societies, puts black women into very nasty sexual competition, and generates additional huge resentments. (Cue Steve’s “Is Love Colorblind.”)

    Not that the things minoritarians push–homosexuality, female sterility and bitchiness, now trannies–aren’t ridiculously ugly on their own. But minoritarians really are saddled with the fact that their core “victim” story, and racial victim totems–blacks–are really not attractive people by pretty much any standard.

    This is something–again cue Steve’s label them the “black party” advice–that any competent nationalist/traditionalist opposition must use. Specifically hold up–the much more appealing–white norms, white culture, white achievements, white people and, of course, heterosexuality.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @AnotherDad

    "Black men at least have athleticism from higher fast-twitch muscle."

    While I certainly agree with the rest of your comment, the above is a particular pet peeve of mine because so many people who continue to promote the idea of negro athletic superiority merely point to basketball and football as the gold standard of athletic measure. It's become an absurd bit of mythology.

    Negroes do two things better than everyone else: they can run fast (the high altitude ones can also run far) and jump high. The ones who couldn't got eaten by lions seems like a fairly reasonable evolutionary consequence. These two skills are certainly valuable in football and basketball but it doesn't explain why year in and year out the best high school football teams in the country are most often stock piled with smart athletic white kids from UMC backgrounds. Everybody seems to dismiss the fact that pro football and pro basketball (and subsequently the college leagues) have, over the last 50 years, been slowly changing their rules to accommodate faster and higher jumping players, at the expense of things like field goal percentage, completion percentage, percentage of passes caught, etc. Things that white players outperform their black counterparts at. the interesting thing is it seems as though GM's and head coaches are starting to realize that maybe those things really are are least as important as speed.

    To add, outside of pro football and basketball (and sprinting) where are negroes dominating athletic contests? With the increase in Asian and Central/South American players in the MLB, the negro player representation has dwindled (to the cries of racism, of course). They are way below population representation in pro hockey, the black teams are below average in world soccer. They are nowhere to be found in swimming (arguably one of the best measures of physical ability), they show minimal success in powerlifting, Olympic lifting, or Strongman (where everyone dopes, so the playing field is still level.) They are nowhere to be found in triathlons which also seems to be a very good measure of total physicality.

    Blacks seem to be over represented in combat sports, and having long arms and being fast is certainly a valuable combination in boxing, but do they dominate combat sports because they are better fighters or because the pool of black males trying to get into elite combat sports far exceeds the pool of white males attempting to? Put another way, are the white kids that would make the best fighters choosing safer avenues to athletic glory, where as more blacks use combat sports as an attempt to escape poverty? (Conor McGregor and Tyson Fury are examples of fighters who used combat sports to escape poverty.) Seems reasonable.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  102. Anon[130] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Brutusale

    There has been size inflation. Remember how Steve said the average American woman is a size 18 today, up from a size 14 five years ago? That woman still thinks of herself as, and wants to wear a size 14. So when she goes to the store, she doesn't want to buy size 18 clothes - those are for fat people, not for her. Manufacturers make formerly size 18 clothes and label them size 14 and everyone is happy.

    This is not just the last 5 years - American women have been getting fatter since the 1960s. The average American woman weighed 140 pounds in 1960, so the current 170 is 30 lbs. heavier or more than 20% more.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Anon

    There has been size inflation

    Yes, and it’s not just that. Different brands market to different body builds with different amounts of ease based on their target market. Shirts can be tight, with two inches of ease, or looser with four. Waistlines can taper or not. Coats can have a lot of ease to allow for layering, or less.

    Ease is the oversizing beyond the actual body size, or in the case of lycra skin tight stuff, the ease can be negative.

    Uniqlo in Japan on their website just tells you the dimensions of the garment as a physical object. You measure yourself, add the ease you want, and order that size. Or better yet you put something that fits you on a table and measure it, say armpit to armpit when buttoned up, or across the width at the second button from the bottom, or center of collar down to the end of the cuff, etc., and order the garment that is close to those dimensions. This is the best way to deal with internet shopping for clothes. Second best is to order three sizes and return two, then order more of what fit you.

  103. @The Alarmist
    I have a couple Old Navy fleece shirts I bought in 1999, and I wear them constantly during the winter months. They are indestructible. I haven’t needed to replace them.

    I guess ON teaches itself hard lessons from time to time.

    Replies: @peterike, @bomag, @Adam Smith

    I shopped there for a short time around ”07. Hoodies and t-shirts fell apart rapidly; I didn’t go back.

  104. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D


    American women have been getting fatter since the 1960s. The average American woman weighed 140 pounds in 1960, so the current 170 is 30 lbs. heavier or more than 20% more.
     
    It's not just that people are getting fatter, but they're also getting bigger in other ways - average shoe sizes in the U.S. and UK have risen over the same period.

    My guess is that some of the phenomenon of increasing weight is Boomers mushrooming the demographics due to modern medicine keeping more people alive longer, especially in the 50s-70s age cohort. (Take, for example, the treatments available which permit chronically obese people to remain alive and obese longer than nature would otherwise allow on the extreme end). Those people, particularly women, are prone to carry extra weight which is going to raise the average weight overall. Those women are also probably trying to squeeze into the same clothes worn by younger women rather than resigning themselves to live in loose house dresses like old ladies used to do.

    But on the whole more people are fat and the fat people are fatter. Lifestyles have changed, but I don't think this alone explains the substantial expansion in the average weights of Americans. I think there must be some sort of endocrine disruption in the environment making people fatter (and men less male). Diminishing testosterone alone must be responsible for a significant degree of the extra weight being carried by American men. No one in power seems to be interested in figuring this out, which leads me to believe that either there are powerful business interests which rely upon shedding endocrine disrupting chemicals into the environment or food supply as a byproduct of their industries, or that the people in power think that passive, obese androgyny among the population is a good thing, or some combination of both.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Ralph L

    My fridge died Friday, so I’ve been looking at new ones on line and at Lowes/Home Depot. Several brands advertise their water filters reduce certain pharmaceutical levels up to 98%! One even listed a few, including ibuprofen. They didn’t list estrogen, however.

    Has anyone had a long lasting Samsung? My GE lasted 14 years, but the uninsulated ice chute door caused condensation puddles and black crud on the ice.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Ralph L

    My fridge died Friday, so I’ve been looking at new ones on line and at Lowes/Home Depot. Several brands advertise their water filters reduce certain pharmaceutical levels up to 98%! One even listed a few, including ibuprofen. They didn’t list estrogen, however.

    How would you be getting estrogen in the water? Very few areas of the US actually recycle wastewater into tap water.

    , @Jack D
    @Ralph L

    Don't bother with the internal filters - they are tiny and overpriced. Get an in-line filter instead (this is placed in the 1/4" water line that leads to your fridge). If you are lucky there is access to this line in the basement of your house - otherwise you will have roll the fridge out (maybe 1x/yer) to change the filter. You should do this anyway to vacuum the dust which will accumulate on the coils and affect the efficiency of the fridge. A good carbon filter will absorb all organic chemicals including hormones. The NSF certifies filters in various categories - lead, chlorine, organics, etc. They list estrone as an "emerging contaminant" meaning that the marketing claims are just catching on:

    https://info.nsf.org/certified/dwtu/

    I wouldn't put too much stock in those claims. In the end, these filters are just cans of activated charcoal and the charcoal will absorb pretty much anything until it hits its capacity.

    Ice makers and ice and water dispensers are common sources of problems w/ fridges so if you skip them you can have a fridge that lasts many decades. I like my LG fridge but the in door dispenser is kind of a dumb design because they have to duct cold air from the freezer below up to the ice compartment that is in the door. For some reason french door/bottom freezer is fashionable though side by side is cheaper and makes more sense.

  105. @prosa123
    @notsaying

    I am surprised their regular customer who could not find her size didn’t just order online.

    Buying women's clothes online can be difficult because sizing is so arbitrary even within the same company.

    Replies: @Muggles

    Here’s a billion dollar idea I’m giving away here.

    I’m too old to spend the time to get it done, but it will happen.

    a) Develop or augment body scanning tech and place low cost scanning booths (or even free) in malls or in large retail clothing spaces.

    b) With body suits on, scan people for their current sizes.

    c) Develop templates for clothing pieces and styles that “fit” scanned templates. You will have to vary and adjust for women’s clothes (especially) since some are best fit loose or tight, depending. Quite a bit of tech to get right.

    d) Patent all of that.

    e) Start online marketeer of clothing that correlates to your “scanned” measurements. Those you will get at the booths or sent online. When you select clothes from the online shops (and later, stores) you can use your data set to view a three D avatar showing how the new clothes, styles, etc. actually look and fit. Fit on you. Styles and colors vary. Women (and some men) will spend hours at work shopping again (maybe sell ads also with that).

    f) Get offshore clothing manufacturers to make clothes as per scanned measurements. A wide variety. They can even be made “bespoke” via computer aided machinery that cuts, sews, etc. for each scanned component.

    g) As you age or gain/lose weight, new scanned data is used for your clothing purchases.

    h) All of the scanned measurements are coded and thus, “confidential’. No more XXXX sizes on the tags. Embarrassment free shopping.

    All of these things can be done with current tech. Will take some heavy duty programming.

    “Never Buy Clothes Again That Don’t Fit!”

    Since these measures are digital and universal, “size” variations under the old “numbering” systems that can vary by country, manufacturer, retailer, will never be a problem again.

    Why isn’t this being done now?

    (When you get that IPO off the ground, have iSteve send me an email so I can get in on a “gratitude” slice…)

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Muggles


    Why isn’t this being done now?
     
    It is being done now. There are several on-line retailers that take your measurements from cell-phone photos and send you custom-fitted clothes.
    , @Brutusale
    @Muggles

    Robert Heinlein beat you to it by about 80 years in his novel Methuselah's Children. William Gibson took the idea a step further in Mona Lisa Overdrive, where the scanning program had a sub-routine that made the customer look more attractive in the video output.

  106. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Is there a Sailer’s Law of the Great Wreakening?

    https://abc7ny.com/new-hyde-park-fatal-crash-3-people-killed-long-island/11881382/
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/22/3-women-killed-by-alleged-drunk-driver-after-sweet-16-party-in-li/

    In a nutshell: 22-year-old “Dante Lennon” (perhaps a Liverpool native?) in a Mercedes (driving drunk) rammed a Lincoln Town Car full of a half dozen sweet 16 party attendees and kills 50 percent of them.

    Do black wreakeners typically kill more or less than half of those they hit with their cars? How about whites? Is there a difference between drunks and non-drunks? Is there a handgun/long gun analogy distinction in car models? Driver killed vs. not? More research is needed.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Anon

    IIs there a Sailer’s Law of the Great Wreakening?
    In a nutshell: 22-year-old “Dante Lennon” (perhaps a Liverpool native?) in a Mercedes (driving drunk) rammed a Lincoln Town Car full of a half dozen sweet 16 party attendees and kills 50 percent of them.

    All three dead women were Asian. They were relatives of the girl having the party; two were in their 60's and one in their 40's.

    It pains me to say this, but the crash may not have been entirely Dante's fault. He was just barely over the legal limit, and more to the point the driver of the hired Town Car was attempting to make a left turn onto Jericho Turnpike. That's a busy, high speed road that even at 11pm carries a lot of traffic; I would be very hesitant to attempt a left turn except at a light, which this wasn't.

    I'm reminded of a crash on eastern Long Island a few years ago when a pickup truck slammed into the side of a stretch limo and four young women on a winery-hopping tour died. The pickup driver might have been over the legal limit, it's hard to be sure because there may have been a police coverup, but what was clear is that the limo driver was making an illegal U-turn on a high speed road and the pickup driver may not have had time to stop.

  107. Nicole Cueto looks awesome, but I doubt her double-Ds would fit in any of the middle-sized tops or blouses at Old Navy.

  108. Anonymous[923] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gamecock

    The average American woman is a size 18 today
     
    Simply not believable (though internet search repeats it over and over. 5'4" and 170 pounds).

    Based on my observations of the people around here, I'd say no more than 5% of the women are 170 pounds, and very few bigger.

    So I should like to thank these average women, wherever they are, for staying out of the public view.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Colin Wright

    So, you doubt The Centers for Disease Control itself? An organisation with a reputation for thoroughness, integrity and professionalism second to none?

  109. @B36
    I thought by now, along with flying cars, there'd be a store where you go into a booth and a machine takes 100 laser measurements of your body then feeds that into a computer which spits out a perfect pattern that a robot uses to cut and sew the perfectly fitted article of clothing for you. Later whenever you wanted new clothes (if you hadn't gained weight) you could just order online. But like Amazon put the bookstores out of business, this would wreck the malls.

    Replies: @guest007, @dearieme

    The nearest I’ve come to that is having clothing made-to-measure by Hong Kong tailors.

    It’s worked well in HK, in NZ, and in the UK for suits and shirts.

    • Replies: @Veracitor
    @dearieme

    So far as I can discover, the “Hong Kong tailoring” system doesn’t work any more.

    Background: just before the pandemic I tried to buy some new suits and sport coats. I really am kind of average-sized for a 1980’s American man and honestly not fat, so for decades I could get by with minor alterations to mid-sized off-the-rack clothes. But nowadays I can’t— because the patterns have been changed. Every department-store and mall-boutique brand is now cut to fit Southern Chinese men, so far as I can find out. All the clothes are sewn there and they use the same patterns for all production, with narrow chests and too-short sleeves and pipestem legs.

    American retailers then market the badly-patterned clothes as “slim fit.” But they don’t stock any “regular fit” items! At first I thought the problem was gay buyers stocking what they like personally, but when I went to Men’s Wearhouse I got clued-in. No American retailer moves enough sack suits or sport coats to persuade a Chinese factory to cut the cloth to Euro-American standard patterns. Our retailers buy what they can get cheaply and then tell retail customers to take it or leave it. Since it doesn’t fit and there’s no extra cloth in it for expansive alterations, customers mostly leave it. (This is then interpreted as a lack of interest in men’s fashion when a lot of the problem is unwillingness to purchase clothes that cannot be worn.)

    But “what about Hong Kong tailors?” you ask. When I complained about the crap on the racks, several retailers tried to upsell me to semi-custom garments from China. That sounded good until they all confessed under questioning that the patterns would be exactly the same! They would measure you and you would choose your cloth and wait six weeks— and then get a semi-custom suit that still didn’t fit and couldn’t be returned!

    When he realized that I wasn’t going to take the semi-custom-but-still-unwearable bait, the salesman in Men’s Wearhouse switched gears completely and told me wistfully that the lack of supply was very frustrating to him. He couldn’t sell anything to the more discerning buyers who were the ones with all the money because the inventory was all unwearable . He could only sell crap to kids and FOB’s.

    At the time I couldn’t get any line on the old-fashioned traveling “HK” tailor scheme, where you got measured in a rented office or meeting room while the rep was in town and received your clothes a couple months later. If that system has been revived (maybe not actually sewing in HK) and offers properly-patterned or even affordable fully-custom-cut clothes, I’d like to hear about it.

  110. Anonymous[923] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cagey Beast
    A corporation as big as Gap Inc. (which includes Old Navy) should have teams who sit in the malls where their stores are located and watch the people go by. Log what size they are, their sex and whether they look like they'd buy clothes from Old Navy or one of their other brands. Use that data to figure out what ratio of sizes get sent out to each store. If the mall is full of mid-sized women but far fewer leave Old Navy with a purchase, then head office will know there's a problem.

    The size spotting teams could be trained using footage from in-store cameras. They could compare their size estimate to the actual size recorded at the cash register. The Gap could fly size-spotting all-star teams of mean girls around the country to figure this out.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    There’s a great big sales and marketing dichotomy here:

    Firstly, ‘trendy’ retailers in women’s fashion – the ones with the actual big profit margins – don’t want to even to cater to fat women since the mere association with them tarnishes their brand and diminishes the brand in the eyes of the market they do want to chase, namely, attractive young women. Very literally, the ‘model’ for high end fashion are the supermodels, the aspiration the target market get when buying their clothes, the idea being that some of the supermodel rubs off on them with the brand. Effectively, you’re buying into an exclusive club, a dream.
    If the price of maintaining this exclusivity is deliberately shunning massive, no pun intended, potential sales, then so be it. This type of attitude is extremely rare in capitalism, but in this niche of fantasy and loveability, it works.

  111. @AnotherDad
    @Mike Tre


    Black is beautiful (they aren’t)
     
    One of the weaknesses of minoritarianism is that the Jews are stuck with blacks as their designated victims. Jewish oppression in American was/is a trivial joke. (Though true believers can get all hot and bothered nonetheless--there is no end to the tribal self-absorption.) So to attack the legitimacy of the American establishment it was slavery, lynching, Jim Crow ... Emmett Till, Till, Till!


    But blacks just are not attractive. It's not like a case--perfectly possible--where whites were better at the X, Y, Z of white society and so black cluster at the socio-economic bottom, but blacks are better at A, B, C, where B is better looking. Rather it is pretty much an end-to-end sweep, with blacks only better at more fast-twitch muscle and rhythm.

    And in particular much less attractive. And this isn't a just an old white American guy perspective, but basically the conclusion of everyone around the world. Most people like the look of their own people, but then find various other peoples more or less decent looking. But none of them like the look of blacks.

    And this if further amped up by the sex skew. Black men at least have athleticism from higher fast-twitch muscle. But black women are saddled with bad hair and dark skin--both strongly working against the normal lustrous hair, "fairer sex" sex skew within each race. Plus the strong tendency toward fat-ass fatness. Blacks dumped into racially mixed societies, puts black women into very nasty sexual competition, and generates additional huge resentments. (Cue Steve's "Is Love Colorblind.")


    Not that the things minoritarians push--homosexuality, female sterility and bitchiness, now trannies--aren't ridiculously ugly on their own. But minoritarians really are saddled with the fact that their core "victim" story, and racial victim totems--blacks--are really not attractive people by pretty much any standard.

    This is something--again cue Steve's label them the "black party" advice--that any competent nationalist/traditionalist opposition must use. Specifically hold up--the much more appealing--white norms, white culture, white achievements, white people and, of course, heterosexuality.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    “Black men at least have athleticism from higher fast-twitch muscle.”

    While I certainly agree with the rest of your comment, the above is a particular pet peeve of mine because so many people who continue to promote the idea of negro athletic superiority merely point to basketball and football as the gold standard of athletic measure. It’s become an absurd bit of mythology.

    Negroes do two things better than everyone else: they can run fast (the high altitude ones can also run far) and jump high. The ones who couldn’t got eaten by lions seems like a fairly reasonable evolutionary consequence. These two skills are certainly valuable in football and basketball but it doesn’t explain why year in and year out the best high school football teams in the country are most often stock piled with smart athletic white kids from UMC backgrounds. Everybody seems to dismiss the fact that pro football and pro basketball (and subsequently the college leagues) have, over the last 50 years, been slowly changing their rules to accommodate faster and higher jumping players, at the expense of things like field goal percentage, completion percentage, percentage of passes caught, etc. Things that white players outperform their black counterparts at. the interesting thing is it seems as though GM’s and head coaches are starting to realize that maybe those things really are are least as important as speed.

    To add, outside of pro football and basketball (and sprinting) where are negroes dominating athletic contests? With the increase in Asian and Central/South American players in the MLB, the negro player representation has dwindled (to the cries of racism, of course). They are way below population representation in pro hockey, the black teams are below average in world soccer. They are nowhere to be found in swimming (arguably one of the best measures of physical ability), they show minimal success in powerlifting, Olympic lifting, or Strongman (where everyone dopes, so the playing field is still level.) They are nowhere to be found in triathlons which also seems to be a very good measure of total physicality.

    Blacks seem to be over represented in combat sports, and having long arms and being fast is certainly a valuable combination in boxing, but do they dominate combat sports because they are better fighters or because the pool of black males trying to get into elite combat sports far exceeds the pool of white males attempting to? Put another way, are the white kids that would make the best fighters choosing safer avenues to athletic glory, where as more blacks use combat sports as an attempt to escape poverty? (Conor McGregor and Tyson Fury are examples of fighters who used combat sports to escape poverty.) Seems reasonable.

    • Agree: usNthem
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mike Tre

    "the black teams are below average in world soccer"

    But in the UK leagues at pretty much all levels black players are over-represented. The small speed difference plus IIRC earlier puberty means the over-representation will start in school - at my son's school half the teams they played seemed to have a fast black kid or two on the wing or up front.

    It doesn't matter how good you are at shooting or passing if you can't win a race to the ball over five or ten yards, and that's where they'll have an advantage.

  112. @OilcanFloyd

    I can’t afford a WSJ subscription, but this article starts instead with a summary sentence.
     
    It's a running joke that you don't have a pot to piss in, so I guess there's truth to it. It's none of my business, but what makes you stay in California when you would probably have a better material life elsewhere, especially after swapping homes? Are all the normal people refusing to leave blue states?

    Replies: @onetwothree, @guest007, @ScarletNumber, @dailydose

    Methinks Steve doth protest too much, especially after his most-recent tin-cup rattling last month.

    In any event, when I just went on wsj.com, they offered me a digital subscription for \$4/month with that rate lasting the full year. That’s less than I pay for the satellite-radio cheapskate plan! So, Steve, if you are reading this, take a gander and perhaps you will get a similar offer.

    For the students in the readership, they are offering a year-long subscription for half of that: \$24/year.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @ScarletNumber

    A couple of things:

    1. If you do this, I would suggest generating a one time use credit card # (many card issuers offer this option) with a $50 cumulative limit. Otherwise what will happen is that the year will go by an you won't notices and after the promotion is up they will start charging you $36/month and you won't realize it until you get your credit card bill.

    2. If even $4/month is too much for your budget, there is a browser extension called "Bypass Paywalls" which does just that for many websites with so-called "soft" paywalls. (A soft paywall might allow you to see a few stories before it demands a subscription or allow you to see stories referred from other links.) On Google Chrome for Windows it hasn't been working very well for the WSJ lately because it appears as if the developers have stopped updating it. However, the version that goes with Firefox Nightly for Android, which I have on my tablet, currently works quite well for the WSJ (although sometimes you have to reload the page to get past the paywall). This is all free but installing it for Firefox Nightly is a moderate technical challenge. There are also security concerns with enabling developer mode and installing browser extensions written by internet strangers, etc. Sometimes just disabling Javascript and clearing cookies will get you past paywalls.

    , @J.Ross
    @ScarletNumber

    As your lawyer I advise this plus Conor Freiersdorf's Best Of Journalism newsletter. If you really actually care about District of Columbia minutia, and speculation about what a congresscritter might think or what the Supreme Court might do at some point in the future, consider the partisan Democrats* at Punchbowl News, who get called balanced because they're not as marihuana-addled as the lying morons at NPR. Also once you sub to the Journal you can sub-sub to little newsletters they have which are essentially headline roundups and summaries of their various sections.
    Be aware that some of the Journal's amenities are just what one expects (which is to say they are boss, like the monthly free curated nonfiction book pdf download, or the Wall Street Journal Guide to Tax Preparation), and some are meh (Watch our Cooking Video, which turns out to pretty much be a YouTube video, and is definitely inferior to Uncle Roger), and some are Penn & Teller ready Government Statements (streaming? Streaming? Do I look like a zoomer?).
    *If you consider the least horse-cleaning henchman of House Bush to be a conservative, then you're a Democrat. If you're outraged about the Invited Trespassing of January Sixth and haven't gotten around to discussing the legalized arson across the country, first to disrupt the Trump presidency and then to celebrate violent criminals, then you're a Democrat and possibly a Party Active.

  113. Back in my marathon running days when I was 130 pounds on a 5-6 frame I always had trouble finding suits and sport coats. I started using a store for small men called Arlen’s (I think was the name.) There had to be 12 stores for big and tall men for each Arlen’s. Finally it went out of business but not before I got a great collection of clothes, mainly with European labels. I’m personally disgusted by all the fat chicks in clothing ads now. They aren’t bad people per se, but what ever happened to self control?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Dan Smith


    I started using a store for small men called Arlen’s (I think was the name.) There had to be 12 stores for big and tall men for each Arlen’s.
     
    Here's a place "specializing in men suit extra short". Though you sound extra thin, not extra short, at 5'6".
  114. @Wilkey

    It ended up with too many extra-small and extra-large items and too few of the rest, a mismatch that frustrated customers and contributed to falling sales and a management shake-up.
     
    This seems like a metaphor for our politics. Too many politicians on the Left, too many politicians on the RINO right, and not nearly enough in the sane, populist middle. But since the people buying politicians aren't the same as the people buying clothes, there are inadequate market signals to correct the problem.

    The truth is that petite and plus-sized people know they aren't normal size. Petite people - petite women, anyway - know it and gladly accept it. Everyone knows when a man or woman is plus-sized, and hanging in the plus-sized section or store isn't going to make it any more obvious than it already is. Plus, separating their clothes from the rest saves them time. As a normal-sized man, I find it hellishly annoying when I search through vast stacks of shirts to never find a large, but a dozen or more XS and XXL.


    But, experts say, the bell curve has been discredited. Follow The Science.

     

    In some ways it has. There are far more really fit people today than 20 years ago, but also far more grotesquely obese people. The bell curve still exists, of course, but the curve has flattened quite a bit. Still I find it unbelievable that the average woman is 170.8 pounds. Perhaps that's just the average woman who has to routinely visit the doctor. I'm a reasonably tall man, but 170 would be considered an acceptable (if slightly thin) weight for me. My wife isn't anywhere close to 170 and while she's thin(ish), she's hardly a twig.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Stan Adams

    There are far more really fit people today than 20 years ago, but also far more grotesquely obese people.

    I was ahead of the curve 20 years ago … I was already grotesquely obese.

    [MORE]

    This picture was taken in 1999, two weeks before my fourteenth birthday:

    When you’re fat, you come to realize that taking a flattering selfie is well nigh impossible. So I focus on taking shots that capture my inner depth of character:

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Stan Adams

    Who’s the guy on the right?

    , @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    "I was ahead of the curve 20 years ago … I was already grotesquely obese."

    Nope, sorry. Obese, yes; grotesquely so, no. You don't have that huge slab of belly hanging down and resting on your thighs and you actually have a lap.

    My late husband was 5'9" tall and weighed 280 lbs. That was grotesque.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Truth, @Stan Adams

  115. @Gamecock

    The average American woman is a size 18 today
     
    Simply not believable (though internet search repeats it over and over. 5'4" and 170 pounds).

    Based on my observations of the people around here, I'd say no more than 5% of the women are 170 pounds, and very few bigger.

    So I should like to thank these average women, wherever they are, for staying out of the public view.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Colin Wright

    ‘…So I should like to thank these average women, wherever they are, for staying out of the public view.’

    Or in Oregon.

  116. @Arclight
    The average American is a disgusting pig in terms of their fitness. The average woman today is now heavier than the average man just 2 generations ago. Our national inability to move around a bit and keep our noses out of the trough unquestionably contributed to the number of deaths because of/with Covid, and not a word out of our benevolent rulers about perhaps it's time for a national conversation about our lifestyle habits.

    I used to work for a company that had a fitness studio in the building which offered a free weekly class to employees. Almost none took advantage of it, and when the trainer once offered to buy lunch for whoever would walk the approximately 1 mile to the local health food store for lunch and back, he had zero takers, although a couple drove the 1/2 mile to Wendy's that day.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Stan Adams, @SafeNow

    Along the lines of your unused fitness facility and trainer walk: At a local Cal. State campus, the dietician professor tried dedicating her lunch hour to “ Walk with the Dietician.” She walked around and around the track, and any college student (or faculty member) could walk with her and get a free, personal evaluation. She publicized this, but got zero takers. (I happened to bump into her on the track. Nice lady, professor, very smart. She practically begged me to walk with her, and I happily did. I am pretty smart about nutrition, but she identified some gaps.)

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @SafeNow

    Yikes. I live in a rustbelt city so I assume people are just generally fatter and lazier about exercise than somewhere with awesome weather, but that's not great either.

  117. @Jack D
    @Wilkey


    On the diet side, the best way to keep off weight is to bring a good sized dish full of fruits and vegetables every day and snack on them.
     
    The best way to keep off weight is not to eat snacks at all. Eat 2 or 3 moderate sized meals and nothing in between. And a lot of fruits are high in sugar and are not that much better than candy. A glass of orange juice has as much sugar as a glass of Coca Cola.

    And BTW, where did Americans get the idea that you can't walk 5 minutes without buying a bottle of water? The water itself is harmless but the endless amount of $ that is spent on bottled water is not. Believe it or not, there was a time when there was no such thing as serving sized bottles of water - there were water coolers that took 5 gal jugs (which you drank out of little paper cones) and you could buy 1 gallon bottles of spring water if the tap water in your house was no good, but those 12 oz. bottles or whatever they are didn't exist. If you were going hiking, you could fill a canteen. Our entire planet is being overrun with discarded water bottles and they are wholly unnecessary.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @AKAHorace, @tr, @John Johnson

    Drinking water can make you less hungry. It also means that you are less likely to drink coke.

    As well as this until recently people tended not get enough water in their diet. There are few downsides to drinking too much water.

  118. @Mike Tre
    Walked into a Kohl's recently. More than half of the female mannequins are now are the overweight female figure.

    I've seen the articles that promote the idea that normal, as in petite, mannequins are bad for sales, but does anyone really think the below visual entices anyone to purchase more clothing?

    https://dazedimg-dazedgroup.netdna-ssl.com/1200/248-92-1470-980/azure/dazed-prod/1260/8/1268177.jpg


    The whole "fat is beautiful" narrative that the clothing industry has been instructed to promote is yet just another front in the efforts to destroy Western perceptions and standards of true beauty.

    Black is beautiful (they aren't)
    Fat is sexy (it's not)
    Tattoos, piercings, green hair, etc are attractive (no)
    Circumcision is healthy (LOL)
    Rap is music (it's noise)
    African art is equal to European art (nope)
    etc, etc, etc,

    Replies: @International Jew, @AnotherDad, @mc23, @S. Anonyia, @Dmon, @pyrrhus, @Sean, @AnotherDad, @Malla, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    What Judeo-Commie-feminists are trying to promote non-stop as the kind of women ancient/pre-historic men supposedly found attractive. (Most likely a mother figure)

    The kind of women ancient men ACTUALLY found attractive

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
  119. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Those Old Navy ads are making me “see sick.”

    Why on gods green earth are they celebrating first or second stage diabetes? It’s a terrible malady that leads to early death, oft times featuring Alzheimer’s. That’s why many doctors refer to Alzheimer’s as “Type 3 Diabetes.”

    I cannot believe the aimless medical ignorance of Old Navy. They’re trying to sexualize/celebrate physical/mental illness!

    What’s next? A lingerie ad featuring Women with Leprosy?

    The Sexy Ladies of Oozing Bedsores?

    The Schizophrenic Swimsuit Issue?

  120. @JimDandy
    @AnotherDad

    Just as Social Realism was the official style of Soviet Russia, Brutalism is the mandatory aesthetic of The Revolutionary Woke Regime. And it ain't just for buildings anymore.

    Replies: @Meretricious, @Thea

    Brutalism is not ugly. You are ignorant. Study it

  121. @Mike Tre
    Walked into a Kohl's recently. More than half of the female mannequins are now are the overweight female figure.

    I've seen the articles that promote the idea that normal, as in petite, mannequins are bad for sales, but does anyone really think the below visual entices anyone to purchase more clothing?

    https://dazedimg-dazedgroup.netdna-ssl.com/1200/248-92-1470-980/azure/dazed-prod/1260/8/1268177.jpg


    The whole "fat is beautiful" narrative that the clothing industry has been instructed to promote is yet just another front in the efforts to destroy Western perceptions and standards of true beauty.

    Black is beautiful (they aren't)
    Fat is sexy (it's not)
    Tattoos, piercings, green hair, etc are attractive (no)
    Circumcision is healthy (LOL)
    Rap is music (it's noise)
    African art is equal to European art (nope)
    etc, etc, etc,

    Replies: @International Jew, @AnotherDad, @mc23, @S. Anonyia, @Dmon, @pyrrhus, @Sean, @AnotherDad, @Malla, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Black is beautiful (they aren’t)
    Fat is sexy (it’s not)
    Circumcision is healthy (LOL)

    Etc.

    One of these things is not like the other. If you asked your pediatrician whether black is beautiful or not, he wouldn’t have a medical opinion. Everything else on your list is purely a matter of aesthetics whereas circumcision has medical implications.

    The American Academy of Pediatrics says that the health benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks. You could take medical advice from your pediatrician or from “Mike Tre” – your choice.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @Jack D

    I'm with Tre.

    , @Mike Tre
    @Jack D

    Male genital mutilation has an ancient barbaric practice passed down by ((your people)) that has absolutely no positive medical benefit and plenty of negative ones. This is idea that it "decreases the risk of infections" or whatever bullshit you people use to justify its continued practice is literally insane. The practice is up there with Africans slaughtering albino negroes and raping the corpses in order to ward off evil spirits or whatever they do.

    Asians and anyone else who have had the benefit of not being influenced by Jewish cult ritual disguised as medicine have suffered absolutely zero ill effects from the absence of male genital mutilation throughout their entire history. It didn't exist in the US until the early 1900's, when Jewish doctors connived the medical field into promoting the practice through god knows what illicit means.


    It's not surprising that you defend the practice, and lie about its benefits. There are none, other than it was good for the jews as they could hide among gentiles easier.

    Replies: @Jack D, @John Johnson

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    The health benefits of abortion outweigh the risks of pregnancy.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @prosa123
    @Jack D

    Xaviera Hollander wrote years ago in The Happy Hooker that she preferred unclipped men because she could use her mouth to do certain things with foreskins. Unfortunately, her customers were mostly Jewish.

  122. @peterike
    @The Alarmist


    I have a couple Old Navy fleece shirts I bought in 1999, and I wear them constantly during the winter months. They are indestructible.
     
    I can assure you if you bought them now they wouldn't be anywhere near the same quality. Even formerly quality conscious brands like Lands End have become vendors of junk.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @The Alarmist

    Even formerly quality conscious brands like Lands End have become vendors of junk.

    I recently started buying some clothes on-line from Lands End. I haven’t noticed the quality to be poor, although I’m only comparing it to what’s available at Kohls or the Department Store. However I did notice that most of their models for men’s clothing are young “diverse” men – various shades of black and brown – whereas I suspect most of their customers are people like me – white and middle-aged. It has been determined that white people don’t even get to be a majority in clothing ads. And yet they tell us that the “Great Replacement” is a myth and a conspiracy theory.

  123. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Hodag


    There is a store out there for mostly teenage girls called Brandy Melville. They only carry size xs/s. They say that is for cost reasons but the actual function is to not have their clothes worn by fat women. It is a branding exercise.
     
    Some people are just delicately framed. There is a twentysomething girl in my office who is very petite. I recently met her fiance and he is similarly small framed. They're probably 95lbs and 125lbs respectively. Together they look like they're from a lost race of tiny wood elves or something.

    You can see that since actual sizes have drifted upwards while being mislabeled (i.e., an old M is now an S), some smaller people probably do need clothes which are actually made for delicately framed adults.

    My great aunt married a WWII paratrooper who had landed in Europe during the war. He was always very small framed. Back then she bought some of his clothes in the boy's department, which was supposed to be kept a secret because it was a source of embarrassment for him.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @guest007, @Colin Wright, @GeologyAnonMk5

    ‘Some people are just delicately framed…’

    Go to Japan sometime. Neither my wife nor myself are particularly large, but when we went there we couldn’t find much that would fit. My wife managed to get some men’s socks that would work — it was a complete bust for me.

    Lovely country — but bring all the clothes you might need.

  124. @Muggles
    @prosa123

    Here's a billion dollar idea I'm giving away here.

    I'm too old to spend the time to get it done, but it will happen.

    a) Develop or augment body scanning tech and place low cost scanning booths (or even free) in malls or in large retail clothing spaces.

    b) With body suits on, scan people for their current sizes.

    c) Develop templates for clothing pieces and styles that "fit" scanned templates. You will have to vary and adjust for women's clothes (especially) since some are best fit loose or tight, depending. Quite a bit of tech to get right.

    d) Patent all of that.

    e) Start online marketeer of clothing that correlates to your "scanned" measurements. Those you will get at the booths or sent online. When you select clothes from the online shops (and later, stores) you can use your data set to view a three D avatar showing how the new clothes, styles, etc. actually look and fit. Fit on you. Styles and colors vary. Women (and some men) will spend hours at work shopping again (maybe sell ads also with that).

    f) Get offshore clothing manufacturers to make clothes as per scanned measurements. A wide variety. They can even be made "bespoke" via computer aided machinery that cuts, sews, etc. for each scanned component.

    g) As you age or gain/lose weight, new scanned data is used for your clothing purchases.

    h) All of the scanned measurements are coded and thus, "confidential'. No more XXXX sizes on the tags. Embarrassment free shopping.

    All of these things can be done with current tech. Will take some heavy duty programming.

    "Never Buy Clothes Again That Don't Fit!"

    Since these measures are digital and universal, "size" variations under the old "numbering" systems that can vary by country, manufacturer, retailer, will never be a problem again.

    Why isn't this being done now?

    (When you get that IPO off the ground, have iSteve send me an email so I can get in on a "gratitude" slice...)

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Brutusale

    Why isn’t this being done now?

    It is being done now. There are several on-line retailers that take your measurements from cell-phone photos and send you custom-fitted clothes.

  125. @Buzz Mohawk
    We get spam from Victoria's Secret, and now it features pictures of fat black women. And I remember when the Victoria's Secret catalog was good masturbation material.

    (Hey, I'm just using Tracy Morgan's line here, okay?)


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gks2MOzweL8

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Malcolm X-Lax

    White guy in the group using every black comic’s nerdy white guy voice: “Well, gee whiz, I should probably object to this sexism, but these are black guys talking in a derogatory way about white women and I do like my job. Safe move is to say nothing.”

  126. @Jack D
    @Wilkey


    Still I find it unbelievable that the average woman is 170.8 pounds.
     
    You need to visit the nearest WalMart/ghetto more often. For every 120 lb. woman like your spouse there is a 220 lb. Food Stamps fed land whale out there, just like for every 115+ IQ middle class white person there is an 85- IQ lower class white. It's a matter of (near) mathematical certainty that follows from the averages and the symmetry of the normal distribution.

    It is largely (but not entirely) a class based thing, like smoking nowadays. Poor people are high time preference people (this is one of the reasons that they are poor) - they value the enjoyment of a cigarette or a Big Mac meal with fries and a Coke NOW more than they value their health in the future just like they value a night at the bar more than they value having money in the bank.

    Add to that the fact that reducing the price always increases demand and for a lot of poor people in America the price of food is ZERO. To the extent that Food Stamps cut the grocery shopping part of their budget to nothing, they have more room in their budget for KFC and cigarettes.

    Chances are that you hang out mainly with low time preference people like yourself. How many of your friends still smoke cigarettes?

    Replies: @Meretricious, @OilcanFloyd, @John Johnson

  127. @Jack D
    @Wilkey


    Still I find it unbelievable that the average woman is 170.8 pounds.
     
    You need to visit the nearest WalMart/ghetto more often. For every 120 lb. woman like your spouse there is a 220 lb. Food Stamps fed land whale out there, just like for every 115+ IQ middle class white person there is an 85- IQ lower class white. It's a matter of (near) mathematical certainty that follows from the averages and the symmetry of the normal distribution.

    It is largely (but not entirely) a class based thing, like smoking nowadays. Poor people are high time preference people (this is one of the reasons that they are poor) - they value the enjoyment of a cigarette or a Big Mac meal with fries and a Coke NOW more than they value their health in the future just like they value a night at the bar more than they value having money in the bank.

    Add to that the fact that reducing the price always increases demand and for a lot of poor people in America the price of food is ZERO. To the extent that Food Stamps cut the grocery shopping part of their budget to nothing, they have more room in their budget for KFC and cigarettes.

    Chances are that you hang out mainly with low time preference people like yourself. How many of your friends still smoke cigarettes?

    Replies: @Meretricious, @OilcanFloyd, @John Johnson

    You need to visit the nearest WalMart/ghetto more often. For every 120 lb. woman like your spouse there is a 220 lb. Food Stamps fed land whale out there, just like for every 115+ IQ middle class white person there is an 85- IQ lower class white.

    I don’t that’s the distribution among whites of 85 and 115 IQs. I would think that IQs of 115 are much more common among whites than IQs of 85. Am I remembering wrong, or didn’t 85 used to fall in the range of mentally retarded?

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @OilcanFloyd

    "... I would think that IQs of 115 are much more common among whites than IQs of 85. .."

    IQ tests are normed against a reference population in such a way that the distribution is forced to be symmetric around 100. That is the fraction with IQ less than 100-x will be the same as the fraction with IQ greater than 100+x. So for a test normed with respect to whites as many whites will score below 85 as above 115.

    The so called "Flynn effect" is a complication. For a while average IQ scores were rising over time. So for an old test current scores would no longer match the desired distribution and there would be fewer under 85 compared to over 115.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

  128. @Sean
    @Mike Tre

    https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1240w,f_auto,q_auto:best/newscms/2020_25/3391013/200618-aunt-jemima-woman-boxes-ew-215p.jpg


    The world's first living trademark, former slave 'Aunt Jemima' a model whose real name was (like the Old Navy CEO), "Nancy Green". Fat and happy sells a whole lot of pancakes.

    Old Navy's Nancy is Jewish of course but she lacks the killer instinct. Unlike Von Furstenberg, who kept the name when she divorced minor European royalty husband in 1968. Her Moldavian Jewish father gave her brains but her Jewish mother was (personality is mainly from one's mother), was a resistance fighter in Greece sent to Auschwitz.

    'Nobody goes to a plastic surgeon and says, "Make me fat"': Victoria's Secret owner Les Wexner, 82, mocked efforts to champion women of different sizes
     

    Shocking!

    Replies: @guest007

    But Victoria Secret has been in financial trouble for years. Part of that was refusing to market to larger women and part of that was being very slow to the athleisure market.

  129. @ScarletNumber
    @OilcanFloyd

    Methinks Steve doth protest too much, especially after his most-recent tin-cup rattling last month.

    In any event, when I just went on wsj.com, they offered me a digital subscription for $4/month with that rate lasting the full year. That's less than I pay for the satellite-radio cheapskate plan! So, Steve, if you are reading this, take a gander and perhaps you will get a similar offer.

    For the students in the readership, they are offering a year-long subscription for half of that: $24/year.

    Replies: @Jack D, @J.Ross

    A couple of things:

    1. If you do this, I would suggest generating a one time use credit card # (many card issuers offer this option) with a \$50 cumulative limit. Otherwise what will happen is that the year will go by an you won’t notices and after the promotion is up they will start charging you \$36/month and you won’t realize it until you get your credit card bill.

    2. If even \$4/month is too much for your budget, there is a browser extension called “Bypass Paywalls” which does just that for many websites with so-called “soft” paywalls. (A soft paywall might allow you to see a few stories before it demands a subscription or allow you to see stories referred from other links.) On Google Chrome for Windows it hasn’t been working very well for the WSJ lately because it appears as if the developers have stopped updating it. However, the version that goes with Firefox Nightly for Android, which I have on my tablet, currently works quite well for the WSJ (although sometimes you have to reload the page to get past the paywall). This is all free but installing it for Firefox Nightly is a moderate technical challenge. There are also security concerns with enabling developer mode and installing browser extensions written by internet strangers, etc. Sometimes just disabling Javascript and clearing cookies will get you past paywalls.

  130. @prosa123
    Clothing observation: last week I was in a Nordstrom's, to be specific the one at the Roosevelt Field Mall in Garden City NY, and I was shocked to see that they carry very few men's suits anymore. What was a whole wall of them a few years ago has shrunk to a couple of circular racks. My best estimate is that it's more than a 90% reduction.

    It seems obvious that business casual and especially WFH have taken a massive toll on suit sales. Another example is suit retailer Men's Wearhouse, which has considerably downsized. And Brooks Brothers, which carries more and more casual and women's attire. I'm only slightly exaggerating when I say that any man wearing a suit is likely to be going to a job interview, or a life insurance salesman.

    Replies: @Jack D, @usNthem, @BracketCreep, @John Johnson, @epebble, @Calvin Hobbes, @Corn

    I’m only slightly exaggerating when I say that any man wearing a suit is likely to be going to a job interview, or a life insurance salesman.

    That is the west coast.

    The east coast white shirt and black tie is still a thing.

    I honestly hate business casual. I think it is a gay in between.

    I’d rather do real casual or the suit.

    Problem with the suits is the heat.

    • Replies: @Farenheit
    @John Johnson


    I honestly hate business casual.
     
    .

    If you hate business casual, wait until you see what's next. Reporting here from Silicon Valley, Ca, where all the worst ideas come to life, get ready for "Home Depot Casual"...ratty cargo shorts, a stupid novelty tee shirt, flip flops and a mangy dog.....coming to an office near you soon!

    Replies: @usNthem, @stillCARealist

  131. @Jack D
    @Wilkey


    Still I find it unbelievable that the average woman is 170.8 pounds.
     
    You need to visit the nearest WalMart/ghetto more often. For every 120 lb. woman like your spouse there is a 220 lb. Food Stamps fed land whale out there, just like for every 115+ IQ middle class white person there is an 85- IQ lower class white. It's a matter of (near) mathematical certainty that follows from the averages and the symmetry of the normal distribution.

    It is largely (but not entirely) a class based thing, like smoking nowadays. Poor people are high time preference people (this is one of the reasons that they are poor) - they value the enjoyment of a cigarette or a Big Mac meal with fries and a Coke NOW more than they value their health in the future just like they value a night at the bar more than they value having money in the bank.

    Add to that the fact that reducing the price always increases demand and for a lot of poor people in America the price of food is ZERO. To the extent that Food Stamps cut the grocery shopping part of their budget to nothing, they have more room in their budget for KFC and cigarettes.

    Chances are that you hang out mainly with low time preference people like yourself. How many of your friends still smoke cigarettes?

    Replies: @Meretricious, @OilcanFloyd, @John Johnson

    It is largely (but not entirely) a class based thing, like smoking nowadays. Poor people are high time preference people (this is one of the reasons that they are poor) – they value the enjoyment of a cigarette or a Big Mac meal with fries and a Coke NOW more than they value their health in the future just like they value a night at the bar more than they value having money in the bank.

    I get your point but I think the obesity problem has seeped into the middle class.

    Just drive by any social services office at lunch.

    Bunch of fat White chicks will be smoking outside.

  132. @Anonymous
    The most powerful force known to the Universe is, of course, human female-to-female sexual jealousy, simply don't believe anyone who tries to kid you otherwise - they are either a damned fool or contemptible liar.
    Of course, there are some rather profound evolutionary biological reasons why this should be so.

    Anyhow, obviously, American women haven't really experienced the spur of full free market pulchritudinous competition, otherwise this disgraceful state of affairs simply would not exist.
    Put simply, they are the biggest bunch of over privileged and over pampered females ever exist on this planet. The pronounced and natural female tendency to comfort and idleness - stuffing the mouth with cake always wins over the battle to stay beautiful - has been allowed to run its full course in America due to the *lack of competition* from those nationalities of women who still put in the effort.

    If, for example, a distinctly masculinist President of the USA, by executive order, allowed the full fair free immigration of the young and nubile womanhood of the world *only*, you would see the likes of anger and rage and hatred such as never has been seen before, and all emanating from the obvious - an ample - quarters.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Corvinus

    The pronounced and natural female tendency to comfort and idleness – stuffing the mouth with cake always wins over the battle to stay beautiful – has been allowed to run its full course in America due to the *lack of competition* from those nationalities of women who still put in the effort.

    The simple solution is to legalize prostitution.

    It puts more pressure on average women to stay fit if men are able to buy sex directly.

    White men were talked into banning prostitution by bitter women and excessively religious men. It never made sense in the context of group interest.

  133. @Jack D
    @Mike Tre


    Black is beautiful (they aren’t)
    Fat is sexy (it’s not)
    Circumcision is healthy (LOL)
     
    Etc.

    One of these things is not like the other. If you asked your pediatrician whether black is beautiful or not, he wouldn't have a medical opinion. Everything else on your list is purely a matter of aesthetics whereas circumcision has medical implications.

    The American Academy of Pediatrics says that the health benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks. You could take medical advice from your pediatrician or from "Mike Tre" - your choice.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @Mike Tre, @Jonathan Mason, @prosa123

    I’m with Tre.

    • Agree: Polistra
  134. Invest in developing a unique database.

    B. Charge high prices for your data because where else can customers get the numbers?

    C Profit

    Thought Mr. Nielsen, until IRI and its hungry young Rice educated vp stole the business?

  135. @Dr. Krieger
    170 lbs for a woman?

    I'm ~ 6' 1" and at my thinnest, I was 195. I'm disgusted that a man who is 5 inches taller than the average woman, can weigh only 25 lbs more. I should think it would be more like 50 lbs.

    P.S.

    Nicole Cueto... Definitely would

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @YetAnotherAnon

    Average female AND male weights are way too high when you consider height. 200 lbs for most men is about as bad as 170 lbs for women. My husband is only 35 pounds heavier than me, and we have a 5 inch height difference. Both of us are casual distance runners and relatively thin, but not skinny.

    Your comment is evidence that men can be as bad with the “big is healthy” nonsense as women.

  136. @John Johnson
    @prosa123

    I’m only slightly exaggerating when I say that any man wearing a suit is likely to be going to a job interview, or a life insurance salesman.

    That is the west coast.

    The east coast white shirt and black tie is still a thing.

    I honestly hate business casual. I think it is a gay in between.

    I'd rather do real casual or the suit.

    Problem with the suits is the heat.

    Replies: @Farenheit

    I honestly hate business casual.

    .

    If you hate business casual, wait until you see what’s next. Reporting here from Silicon Valley, Ca, where all the worst ideas come to life, get ready for “Home Depot Casual”…ratty cargo shorts, a stupid novelty tee shirt, flip flops and a mangy dog…..coming to an office near you soon!

    • Replies: @usNthem
    @Farenheit

    I see this a lot in my neck of the woods, particularly this time of year. Shorts, T-shirt, not necessarily collared, and flip flops - even in decent restaurants. Add that to the ubiquitous flubbatrons, and it’s a pretty sad sight. Class, even semi-class, has gone out the window.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    , @stillCARealist
    @Farenheit

    We visited a large evangelical church in our area this morning. You know all those silly, satirical Babylon Bee articles poking fun at Christians? Well now we understand all the jokes. Fully.

    The standard attire for men was shorts or jeans, t-shirts or short-sleeved collared plaid, and smart-looking sneakers with tiny socks. Of course, none of them tuck in their shirts... even the skinny guys.

  137. @Jack D
    @Wilkey


    On the diet side, the best way to keep off weight is to bring a good sized dish full of fruits and vegetables every day and snack on them.
     
    The best way to keep off weight is not to eat snacks at all. Eat 2 or 3 moderate sized meals and nothing in between. And a lot of fruits are high in sugar and are not that much better than candy. A glass of orange juice has as much sugar as a glass of Coca Cola.

    And BTW, where did Americans get the idea that you can't walk 5 minutes without buying a bottle of water? The water itself is harmless but the endless amount of $ that is spent on bottled water is not. Believe it or not, there was a time when there was no such thing as serving sized bottles of water - there were water coolers that took 5 gal jugs (which you drank out of little paper cones) and you could buy 1 gallon bottles of spring water if the tap water in your house was no good, but those 12 oz. bottles or whatever they are didn't exist. If you were going hiking, you could fill a canteen. Our entire planet is being overrun with discarded water bottles and they are wholly unnecessary.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @AKAHorace, @tr, @John Johnson

    A glass of orange juice has as much sugar as a glass of Coca Cola.

    The sugar in Coke is high fructose. The sugar in orange juice is all fructose.

  138. @Jack D
    @Mike Tre


    Black is beautiful (they aren’t)
    Fat is sexy (it’s not)
    Circumcision is healthy (LOL)
     
    Etc.

    One of these things is not like the other. If you asked your pediatrician whether black is beautiful or not, he wouldn't have a medical opinion. Everything else on your list is purely a matter of aesthetics whereas circumcision has medical implications.

    The American Academy of Pediatrics says that the health benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks. You could take medical advice from your pediatrician or from "Mike Tre" - your choice.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @Mike Tre, @Jonathan Mason, @prosa123

    Male genital mutilation has an ancient barbaric practice passed down by ((your people)) that has absolutely no positive medical benefit and plenty of negative ones. This is idea that it “decreases the risk of infections” or whatever bullshit you people use to justify its continued practice is literally insane. The practice is up there with Africans slaughtering albino negroes and raping the corpses in order to ward off evil spirits or whatever they do.

    Asians and anyone else who have had the benefit of not being influenced by Jewish cult ritual disguised as medicine have suffered absolutely zero ill effects from the absence of male genital mutilation throughout their entire history. It didn’t exist in the US until the early 1900’s, when Jewish doctors connived the medical field into promoting the practice through god knows what illicit means.

    It’s not surprising that you defend the practice, and lie about its benefits. There are none, other than it was good for the jews as they could hide among gentiles easier.

    • Agree: Polistra
    • Thanks: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Mike Tre

    IANAD (I am not a doctor) and I suspect neither are you. If you are not Jewish and have or are about to have a male baby (as Alden points out, lots of dudes here are more of grandpa age than fatherhood age) please consult your (favorite non-Jewish and preferably Asian) pediatrician for advice rather than the sages of the internet. If the Joos haven't bribed him or brainwashed him or something.

    It's true that the rate of circumcision seems to vary widely between countries, ranging from virtually nil to virtually everyone. Islam is the #1 factor, followed by whether or not the Joos have poisoned the minds of the population.

    https://pophealthmetrics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12963-016-0073-5/tables/1

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    , @John Johnson
    @Mike Tre

    Male genital mutilation has an ancient barbaric practice passed down by ((your people)) that has absolutely no positive medical benefit and plenty of negative ones.

    My circumcision is handed down from the Egyptians.

    Certainly not a mutilation as the cut is well done and complimentary.

    An homage to Ramses.

  139. @peterike
    @The Alarmist


    I have a couple Old Navy fleece shirts I bought in 1999, and I wear them constantly during the winter months. They are indestructible.
     
    I can assure you if you bought them now they wouldn't be anywhere near the same quality. Even formerly quality conscious brands like Lands End have become vendors of junk.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @The Alarmist

    Yes, I have a stack of twenty+ year old Land’s End pocket-tees and polo shirts that also have not needed replacement. I bought a couple newer ones a decade ago, and get half the cloth for twice the price.

    Yay globalism!

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @Adam Smith
    @The Alarmist

    Most t-shirts are pretty thin these days, which is fine in the summer, but generally I like my tshirts heavy. Long sleeve, short sleeve, I prefer heavy (6oz) shirts.

    Not that you need any new shirts, but I've had really good luck buying from jones' t-shirts...

    https://www.jonestshirts.com/collections/tshirts

    If you order more than $89 you get free shipping. I still have a pile of brand new shirts in my closet. The ones I'm wearing are still great. (Sure, some are a little beat up from wrenching and other work, but that's just life.) To my pleasant surprise, the last order I made (a couple years back) took less than 24 hours to arrive on my porch. I ordered them one afternoon and they were on my porch the next morning when I woke up.

    *Not trying to be a salesman for these guys, but it was a nice, refreshing change to do business with someone competent.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  140. OT — Old and Busted: Sodomite Peter Chickenfather cannot be Arsed to Show Up for Work for freaking Months at a Time because he has to Feed his Baby
    New Hotness: Sodomite Peter Chickenfather Decrees that Babies Must Go Hungry
    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2022/05/pete-buttigieg-free-market-hungry-baby-formula-capitalism

  141. @ScarletNumber
    @OilcanFloyd

    Methinks Steve doth protest too much, especially after his most-recent tin-cup rattling last month.

    In any event, when I just went on wsj.com, they offered me a digital subscription for $4/month with that rate lasting the full year. That's less than I pay for the satellite-radio cheapskate plan! So, Steve, if you are reading this, take a gander and perhaps you will get a similar offer.

    For the students in the readership, they are offering a year-long subscription for half of that: $24/year.

    Replies: @Jack D, @J.Ross

    As your lawyer I advise this plus Conor Freiersdorf’s Best Of Journalism newsletter. If you really actually care about District of Columbia minutia, and speculation about what a congresscritter might think or what the Supreme Court might do at some point in the future, consider the partisan Democrats* at Punchbowl News, who get called balanced because they’re not as marihuana-addled as the lying morons at NPR. Also once you sub to the Journal you can sub-sub to little newsletters they have which are essentially headline roundups and summaries of their various sections.
    Be aware that some of the Journal‘s amenities are just what one expects (which is to say they are boss, like the monthly free curated nonfiction book pdf download, or the Wall Street Journal Guide to Tax Preparation), and some are meh (Watch our Cooking Video, which turns out to pretty much be a YouTube video, and is definitely inferior to Uncle Roger), and some are Penn & Teller ready Government Statements (streaming? Streaming? Do I look like a zoomer?).
    *If you consider the least horse-cleaning henchman of House Bush to be a conservative, then you’re a Democrat. If you’re outraged about the Invited Trespassing of January Sixth and haven’t gotten around to discussing the legalized arson across the country, first to disrupt the Trump presidency and then to celebrate violent criminals, then you’re a Democrat and possibly a Party Active.

  142. @Andrew M
    Weight fluctuates, and people women buy more clothes when they feel happy with their appearance. In retail terms: fat people don’t buy as many clothes.

    Take my wife. Every time she has a baby (four so far), she puts on a lot of weight. But she refuses to buy new clothes until she gets back to her pre-baby weight.

    Replies: @Anon, @ben tillman

    This

    No baby yet, but after each failed IVF the same here (you can put on a good 10lbs in 2 weeks with IVF…and no it doesn’t go away like the doctors claim)

  143. @Anonymous
    The most powerful force known to the Universe is, of course, human female-to-female sexual jealousy, simply don't believe anyone who tries to kid you otherwise - they are either a damned fool or contemptible liar.
    Of course, there are some rather profound evolutionary biological reasons why this should be so.

    Anyhow, obviously, American women haven't really experienced the spur of full free market pulchritudinous competition, otherwise this disgraceful state of affairs simply would not exist.
    Put simply, they are the biggest bunch of over privileged and over pampered females ever exist on this planet. The pronounced and natural female tendency to comfort and idleness - stuffing the mouth with cake always wins over the battle to stay beautiful - has been allowed to run its full course in America due to the *lack of competition* from those nationalities of women who still put in the effort.

    If, for example, a distinctly masculinist President of the USA, by executive order, allowed the full fair free immigration of the young and nubile womanhood of the world *only*, you would see the likes of anger and rage and hatred such as never has been seen before, and all emanating from the obvious - an ample - quarters.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Corvinus

    So you’re proposing the inundation to our shores women of color, aka the mixing of the races, for the pleasure of white men in hopes of “convincing” white women to get into shape. That’s pro-immigration and anti-white. You’re not one of us.

    Unless, of course, you’re offering up much needed comedy relief. If that be the case, bravo.

  144. @prosa123
    Clothing observation: last week I was in a Nordstrom's, to be specific the one at the Roosevelt Field Mall in Garden City NY, and I was shocked to see that they carry very few men's suits anymore. What was a whole wall of them a few years ago has shrunk to a couple of circular racks. My best estimate is that it's more than a 90% reduction.

    It seems obvious that business casual and especially WFH have taken a massive toll on suit sales. Another example is suit retailer Men's Wearhouse, which has considerably downsized. And Brooks Brothers, which carries more and more casual and women's attire. I'm only slightly exaggerating when I say that any man wearing a suit is likely to be going to a job interview, or a life insurance salesman.

    Replies: @Jack D, @usNthem, @BracketCreep, @John Johnson, @epebble, @Calvin Hobbes, @Corn

    any man wearing a suit is likely to be going to a job interview

    This was many years back: when I was called for an interview, I was given specific dress code: Don’t wear a suit. I was a bit puzzled; later I found out that they had an unwritten rule: Suit wearing implies not strong on technology – more of a manager than technologist material. They wanted to “protect” me from their bias.

  145. Sizes 0-28 will be stocked in all Old Navy storefronts across the country, while size 30 will be sold exclusively online.

    I’m guessing that the size 30 women don’t get out of the house much.

    BTW, how often to you see an adult American woman who looks Extra Small?

  146. @JimDandy
    @AnotherDad

    Just as Social Realism was the official style of Soviet Russia, Brutalism is the mandatory aesthetic of The Revolutionary Woke Regime. And it ain't just for buildings anymore.

    Replies: @Meretricious, @Thea

    An old Soviet futurist/ technology magazine promised that by 2000 the weather would be under human( actually just Soviet) control.

    This is actually a great idea if it could have materialized.

    • Agree: JimDandy
  147. @dearieme
    A podiatrist recommended a local shop that sells excellent shoes including extra wide sizes. Joy!
    Then I learnt that the biggest size they stock is UK 12 (US 12.5). No bloody use.

    Once upon a time in a university city I was on the lookout for new trousers. I told the sales assistant that my trouble was that usually trousers were too tight on my thighs, requiring me to buy pairs that were far too big for my waist.

    "Ah yes; do you play rugby, sir, or row?"

    "Rugby; I'm glad to hear it's a common problem. What's the common solution?"

    "I'm afraid there is no solution, sir."

    Is there a solution now? I did once buy a pair of trousers for the big-thighed on a visit to the US but they didn't last long. (Nor did the shirts I bought at the same time. Is this usual in the US?)

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    The solution is obviously to buy the pants that are too big for your waist, and then have a seamstress take-in the waist.

  148. @Jack D
    @Mike Tre


    Black is beautiful (they aren’t)
    Fat is sexy (it’s not)
    Circumcision is healthy (LOL)
     
    Etc.

    One of these things is not like the other. If you asked your pediatrician whether black is beautiful or not, he wouldn't have a medical opinion. Everything else on your list is purely a matter of aesthetics whereas circumcision has medical implications.

    The American Academy of Pediatrics says that the health benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks. You could take medical advice from your pediatrician or from "Mike Tre" - your choice.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @Mike Tre, @Jonathan Mason, @prosa123

    The health benefits of abortion outweigh the risks of pregnancy.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason


    The health benefits of abortion outweigh the risks of pregnancy.
     
    Not on a society-wide basis.

    It certainly has negative dermatological effects-- as in wrinkles.
  149. @Dr. Krieger
    170 lbs for a woman?

    I'm ~ 6' 1" and at my thinnest, I was 195. I'm disgusted that a man who is 5 inches taller than the average woman, can weigh only 25 lbs more. I should think it would be more like 50 lbs.

    P.S.

    Nicole Cueto... Definitely would

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @YetAnotherAnon

    “P.S.

    Nicole Cueto… Definitely would”

    She certainly fills that blouse to effect.

    But this article, about how she decorates/furnishes her apartment is terribly sad – it would be OK were she 24, but she’s a 39 year old “dog mom” living in a 1-bed NYC apartment who calls herself “The Cuban Carrie” on Instagram.

    https://www.apartmenttherapy.com/the-cuban-carrie-small-nyc-rental-apartment-photos-36982753

    Name: Nicole Cueto and dog, Marty
    Location: New York City, New York
    Size: Approximately 600 square feet
    Type of Home: One-bedroom apartment with a separate loft
    Years lived in: 1 year, renting

    Lawyer-turned-communications professional Nicole Cueto says her home is reflection of all the things she loves. “I’m inspired by so many things including my global travels, love of all things of the past, and my Hispanic heritage,” says Nicole, who is a Director at Bevel PR and The Cuban Carrie on Instagram. Originally from Miami, with a stint living in D.C., she’s called New York City home for seven years, and has been renting this one-bedroom apartment for a year in New York’s West Village.

    Cities are fertility sinks.

  150. Anonymous[361] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Tre
    Walked into a Kohl's recently. More than half of the female mannequins are now are the overweight female figure.

    I've seen the articles that promote the idea that normal, as in petite, mannequins are bad for sales, but does anyone really think the below visual entices anyone to purchase more clothing?

    https://dazedimg-dazedgroup.netdna-ssl.com/1200/248-92-1470-980/azure/dazed-prod/1260/8/1268177.jpg


    The whole "fat is beautiful" narrative that the clothing industry has been instructed to promote is yet just another front in the efforts to destroy Western perceptions and standards of true beauty.

    Black is beautiful (they aren't)
    Fat is sexy (it's not)
    Tattoos, piercings, green hair, etc are attractive (no)
    Circumcision is healthy (LOL)
    Rap is music (it's noise)
    African art is equal to European art (nope)
    etc, etc, etc,

    Replies: @International Jew, @AnotherDad, @mc23, @S. Anonyia, @Dmon, @pyrrhus, @Sean, @AnotherDad, @Malla, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    It reminds me of those Stone age fertility goddess sculptures that archaeologists dig up now and again.

  151. @Farenheit
    @John Johnson


    I honestly hate business casual.
     
    .

    If you hate business casual, wait until you see what's next. Reporting here from Silicon Valley, Ca, where all the worst ideas come to life, get ready for "Home Depot Casual"...ratty cargo shorts, a stupid novelty tee shirt, flip flops and a mangy dog.....coming to an office near you soon!

    Replies: @usNthem, @stillCARealist

    I see this a lot in my neck of the woods, particularly this time of year. Shorts, T-shirt, not necessarily collared, and flip flops – even in decent restaurants. Add that to the ubiquitous flubbatrons, and it’s a pretty sad sight. Class, even semi-class, has gone out the window.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @usNthem

    Where's your neck of the woods?

    Replies: @usNthem

  152. Companies are not what they think we are; in order to build a company of this size you have to be part of the brotherhood, and to be part of the brotherhood you have to subscribe to their initiatives; no exceptions.

  153. Anonymous[361] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Tre
    Walked into a Kohl's recently. More than half of the female mannequins are now are the overweight female figure.

    I've seen the articles that promote the idea that normal, as in petite, mannequins are bad for sales, but does anyone really think the below visual entices anyone to purchase more clothing?

    https://dazedimg-dazedgroup.netdna-ssl.com/1200/248-92-1470-980/azure/dazed-prod/1260/8/1268177.jpg


    The whole "fat is beautiful" narrative that the clothing industry has been instructed to promote is yet just another front in the efforts to destroy Western perceptions and standards of true beauty.

    Black is beautiful (they aren't)
    Fat is sexy (it's not)
    Tattoos, piercings, green hair, etc are attractive (no)
    Circumcision is healthy (LOL)
    Rap is music (it's noise)
    African art is equal to European art (nope)
    etc, etc, etc,

    Replies: @International Jew, @AnotherDad, @mc23, @S. Anonyia, @Dmon, @pyrrhus, @Sean, @AnotherDad, @Malla, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    There is a museum in south London called the Horniman Museum and they have a splendid collection of musical instruments from around the world.

    In the European section there are magnificent brass instruments of all kinds. The Asian collection has delightfully carved wooden instruments of grace and elegance.

    The sub-saharan collection includes a large coffee can with pebbles in it.

    • Thanks: AceDeuce
  154. @Colin Wright
    @Moe Gibbs

    '...I read somewhere that the average adult American woman in 2020 weighed 184 pounds, at 5′ 4″ tall. I played defensive end in high school right around that weight, at a little over 6′ in height...'

    Could be -- although black women are going to bump the average.

    On the other hand, I was thinking. You've got most people holding sedentary devices, with masses of labor-saving devices. No need to trek down to the crick for a bucket of water, etc, etc. Your wife have to chop much kindling lately? Life just used to involve moving around and carrying things and working out those biceps a lot more than it does now.

    Then there is an essentially unlimited supply of interesting and varied food -- and it tastes good! It usually tastes good because it's loaded with fats or sugar. Let's leave aside what's in my refrigerator. Within fifteen minutes I could be eating a mind-boggling array of foods -- most of them quite fattening. Ice cream, french fries, dim sum, chimichangas, fried fish, chicken-fried steak, pie with ice cream, cheetos...

    Here, one of my theories is that people in poor countries usually aren't thin because there's no food, or even because that food isn't fattening. There's enough food, and it has plenty of calories. It's because for most, there isn't much variety -- and if there's no variety, pretty soon you're only going to eat whatever will stave off hunger. Have nothing but rice and beans for a year, and I'll bet you lose any excess pounds. Couple that with days of more or less constant physical activity, and you're set.

    But for most of us, the opposite applies. So all this really is pretty inevitable. If you're at all prone to put on weight, you quite likely will. Really, if the idea was to fatten people, we couldn't do much more.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I rented a cabin with some friends in the winter.

    Just getting the fire going every day gets you some exercise. It also had an older kitchen so making a dinner took twice as long.

    All kinds of physical work has not only been replaced with machines but also illegals.

    I complain about doing yard work but most the White guys in my area pay Mexicans to do it. Mostly Trump voters. I would be embarrassed to pay Mexicans while I watch TV.

    In certain parts of the country it is the norm for White women to plan parties or gossip while immigrants do the cleaning and laundry.

    Really obese people tend to have awful diets and sedentary hobbies. They work a job in a chair and then come home to watch TV.

    I really don’t get it. I’ve worked a desk job full time and the last thing I wanted to do in the evening was sit on the couch. It really starts to beat up your back actually if you never exercise. People aren’t designed to sit 12 hours a day.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @John Johnson

    '...It really starts to beat up your back actually if you never exercise. People aren’t designed to sit 12 hours a day.'

    It'll beat up your back anyway. I ran a moving company for just shy of twenty years -- and guess what? My back's a wreck.

    Basically, I was built to be killed by the same heart attack that wasted my father and his father in their mid-fifties.

    Thanks to modern medicine, I survived it -- so guess what? Other things start breaking down.

    We weren't designed to live as long as we do. Sucks -- but you gotta consider the alternative.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  155. @Jack D
    @Mike Tre


    Black is beautiful (they aren’t)
    Fat is sexy (it’s not)
    Circumcision is healthy (LOL)
     
    Etc.

    One of these things is not like the other. If you asked your pediatrician whether black is beautiful or not, he wouldn't have a medical opinion. Everything else on your list is purely a matter of aesthetics whereas circumcision has medical implications.

    The American Academy of Pediatrics says that the health benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks. You could take medical advice from your pediatrician or from "Mike Tre" - your choice.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @Mike Tre, @Jonathan Mason, @prosa123

    Xaviera Hollander wrote years ago in The Happy Hooker that she preferred unclipped men because she could use her mouth to do certain things with foreskins. Unfortunately, her customers were mostly Jewish.

  156. @Jack D
    @Wilkey


    On the diet side, the best way to keep off weight is to bring a good sized dish full of fruits and vegetables every day and snack on them.
     
    The best way to keep off weight is not to eat snacks at all. Eat 2 or 3 moderate sized meals and nothing in between. And a lot of fruits are high in sugar and are not that much better than candy. A glass of orange juice has as much sugar as a glass of Coca Cola.

    And BTW, where did Americans get the idea that you can't walk 5 minutes without buying a bottle of water? The water itself is harmless but the endless amount of $ that is spent on bottled water is not. Believe it or not, there was a time when there was no such thing as serving sized bottles of water - there were water coolers that took 5 gal jugs (which you drank out of little paper cones) and you could buy 1 gallon bottles of spring water if the tap water in your house was no good, but those 12 oz. bottles or whatever they are didn't exist. If you were going hiking, you could fill a canteen. Our entire planet is being overrun with discarded water bottles and they are wholly unnecessary.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @AKAHorace, @tr, @John Johnson

    The best way to keep off weight is not to eat snacks at all. Eat 2 or 3 moderate sized meals and nothing in between.

    I can easily burn calories just by cutting carbs in half. I don’t think Americans realize how many carbs they eat throughout the day. Eating crackers while watching TV should not be normal. It doesn’t matter if they have fiber in them or aren’t covered in cheese.

    And a lot of fruits are high in sugar and are not that much better than candy. A glass of orange juice has as much sugar as a glass of Coca Cola.

    The American love affair with juice needs to end. A large glass of OJ with breakfast is not healthy. Yes it has Vitamin C but so does half the stuff you eat.

    And BTW, where did Americans get the idea that you can’t walk 5 minutes without buying a bottle of water?

    Where did Americans get the idea that you need a camel pack for a day hike? I see people out with REI camel packs for zero grade hikes. These are the same people that won’t piss outside and hold it in until they get back.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @John Johnson


    The American love affair with juice needs to end. A large glass of OJ with breakfast is not healthy.
     
    Hey, Advertising!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCLuP0ky68I

    Replies: @dearieme, @Jonathan Mason

  157. @B36
    @SafeNow

    Took a trip to Asia earlier this year and first leg was on American and second on Japan Airlines. Like night and day. The American flight attendants were all old, fat, and irritable. The Japanese attendants were all young, slender, and polite. Also on American the food wasn't fit for a dog.

    Replies: @usNthem, @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar

    Also on American airlines the food wasn’t fit for a dog.

    Shows what they think of their passengers, does it not?

    I love those gloating announcements they make thanking you for “choosing American today” on routes where they have a monopoly, just before you settle into the flight magazine with the ads for marriage bureaux and overpriced wrist watches with lots of dials, made for overpaid professional athletes who fly around the country.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jonathan Mason

    That "we know you have a choice when flying" bit has been pretty outdated since 6 big airlines combined into 3 in this country. Often, no, there's no choice. I think if they say it now, it's out of habit.

    You are still a few years behind, as those seat back magazines haven't been around for a few years. They were going away before the Kung Flu PanicFest, and then that was used to ditch them. People have so much entertainment, between the seat back system and their own devices, that nobody was picking them up anymore.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  158. Whether you subscribe and how much you pay are no business of mine. For information, however:

    I can’t afford a WSJ subscription….

    It’s on sale for \$4 monthly at the moment.

  159. @SafeNow
    @Arclight

    Along the lines of your unused fitness facility and trainer walk: At a local Cal. State campus, the dietician professor tried dedicating her lunch hour to “ Walk with the Dietician.” She walked around and around the track, and any college student (or faculty member) could walk with her and get a free, personal evaluation. She publicized this, but got zero takers. (I happened to bump into her on the track. Nice lady, professor, very smart. She practically begged me to walk with her, and I happily did. I am pretty smart about nutrition, but she identified some gaps.)

    Replies: @Arclight

    Yikes. I live in a rustbelt city so I assume people are just generally fatter and lazier about exercise than somewhere with awesome weather, but that’s not great either.

    • Agree: Kylie
  160. @A. Carrick Bend
    "But it is sometimes outweighed by the frustration of not being able to find their size." Subtle, yet catty.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    I liked the the idea of “outweighed” too. I’d have been pleased to have been able to use it.

  161. This is all because Old Navy decided to pander to morbidly obese black women. How’d that work out?

    The movement that David Cole attributed to Hollywood, of ignoring profit concerns, and casting and hiring based entirely on affirmative action criteria, has evidently spread to other institutions.

  162. @Stan Adams
    @Wilkey


    There are far more really fit people today than 20 years ago, but also far more grotesquely obese people.
     
    I was ahead of the curve 20 years ago ... I was already grotesquely obese.



    This picture was taken in 1999, two weeks before my fourteenth birthday:

    https://i.ibb.co/N6Kp3HK/1999-07-31.jpg

    When you're fat, you come to realize that taking a flattering selfie is well nigh impossible. So I focus on taking shots that capture my inner depth of character:

    https://i.ibb.co/6w82spb/fantastic-threesome.png

    Replies: @Anon, @Kylie

    Who’s the guy on the right?

  163. Anon[866] • Disclaimer says:
    @Batman
    There's a newer documentary on Netflix about how Abercrombie & Fitch collapsed. It was fascinating to me because it presented in black and white how you sell clothes to teenagers and teenage-aspiring demographics. They don't care about quality. They don't care about price as long as it's reasonably within reach. All they care about is buying clothes that are as maximally horny as their parents will allow. Calvin Klein in the 90s and early 2000s was too horny. Old Navy and the Gap were acceptably prude for parents' standards but not horny at all. Abercrombie was right in the slot. Optimally horny.

    Their platonic ideal of horniness was model-skinny affluent white kids swimming at the lake house in their panties with lots of platonic skin-to-skin contact. Your imagination did the easy work to make it extremely horny. But there was plausible deniability for the parents.

    What killed Abercrombie was internal wokeness. They held out for as long as they could avoiding making plus sizes because poor people are fat, and nobody fantasizes about snuggling up around the campfire with a fatty. You don't want fat and ugly people wearing your clothes if you want teenagers to crave your clothing brand. They avoided putting hijabi women on the sales floor not because they hated Islam but because they did not want their customer base to be faced with an overt symbol of chastity and modesty while making buying decisions. Hijabs are by definition anti-horny.

    Teenagers already were not buying Old Navy clothes. But it was an acceptable place for your Great Aunt Mary to buy you a Christmas present at because she can't bring herself to buy something that will make you look like a whore. Kids can't tell Great Aunt Mary that they won't wear these clothes because they don't make you look like a whore enough. Now the kids have an acceptable objection. No one wants to wear clothes from the muumuu bariatric store for poor people.

    Profit maximizing a clothing brand is a fine balance between being too exclusive and having no sales because only ugly people wear your stuff.

    Replies: @Anon

    Old Navy and the Gap were acceptably prude for parents’ standards but not horny at all. Abercrombie was right in the slot. Optimally horny….What killed Abercrombie was internal wokeness.

    Internal wokeness was the final nail in the coffin, but what really started killing Abercrombie & Fitch was the excessive homoeroticism. Abercrombie initially became popular in the 90s with its preppy plus sporty/outdoorsy aesthetic. Preppy clothes and rugby shirts and the like. But at some point it really started leaning into less clothing, excessive shirtlessness, homoeroticism, etc.

  164. @Jonathan Mason
    @B36


    Also on American airlines the food wasn't fit for a dog.
     
    Shows what they think of their passengers, does it not?

    I love those gloating announcements they make thanking you for "choosing American today" on routes where they have a monopoly, just before you settle into the flight magazine with the ads for marriage bureaux and overpriced wrist watches with lots of dials, made for overpaid professional athletes who fly around the country.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    That “we know you have a choice when flying” bit has been pretty outdated since 6 big airlines combined into 3 in this country. Often, no, there’s no choice. I think if they say it now, it’s out of habit.

    You are still a few years behind, as those seat back magazines haven’t been around for a few years. They were going away before the Kung Flu PanicFest, and then that was used to ditch them. People have so much entertainment, between the seat back system and their own devices, that nobody was picking them up anymore.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Achmed E. Newman


    You are still a few years behind, as those seat back magazines haven’t been around for a few years.
     
    That must be a real blow to the marriage bureau and fancy watch industries.

    I have not been on a plane for a couple of years, but will be flying tomorrow. No doubt it will be a new experience. I will have to do without gourmet cuisine for a few hours, but I will miss the marriage bureau ads.

    There was one I particularly enjoyed which showed an ancient hag suffering from multiple plastic surgery injuries posing in a hotel lobby with some fancy marble decor. I shall miss the old girl. Perhaps she found a husband.

    Replies: @Jack D

  165. @Stan Adams
    @Arclight

    As the token fatty on iSteve, I can report that, for a free lunch, I would walk a mile in the 90-degree sun with 100% humidity without a moment's hesitation. I do it just about it every day.

    I routinely walk two, three, even five miles at a time. On my days off, I leave the house on foot and combine my walking with bus rides to add variety.

    Still, I'm pretty fat.

    I understand the visceral disgust that people feel. I understand the need to discourage people from being fat. I understand that, ultimately, being fat is a choice. That being said, I don't find snide comments from rude people to be particularly helpful.

    I have a certain sense of contempt for people who can't keep their mouths shut. I have a Midwestern sense of politeness, where I assiduously avoid saying anything unpleasant about anyone within earshot while keeping the most murderous thoughts to myself. Even if I loathe you - even if I have a burning desire to decapitate you with my bare hands - I will make a Herculean effort to maintain a blandly pleasant façade. If you say something rude, I will pretend that I didn't hear it. It's not difficult for me to be nice, because I'm really quite indifferent to most people I meet. Even those I hate are rarely on my radar screen.

    At a young age I began telling myself that other people are nothing more than background noise. "They're ants; they're cockroaches; they're buzzing little gnats. They're entitled to their insignificant opinions." Over time I almost came to believe it.

    As my mother used to tell me, "People are s**t. Who cares what stupid a**holes think? F**k 'em."

    I have found my mother's advice most useful.

    An older acquaintance of mine, who fancies himself something of a mentor to me, sometimes takes it upon himself to offer his own (unsolicited) advice. "I'm going to tell you what I told my own son. If you want people to be nice to you, then you need to lose the weight."

    When he says that, I smile and think to myself (but do not say out loud), "Would that be your gay son, who most assuredly is not the man in any relationship? You must be so proud, knowing that he shed all that extra fat just so he could grow up to become a fag."

    (Yes, I know he has a valid point and I would do well to listen to him. I am aware that being fat is bad.)

    I have another older acquaintance - a New York transplant - who has no reservations about making disparaging comments about my weight. He doesn't "do" politeness - just he goes right for the jugular.

    Interestingly enough, his son is also gay. He is not happy about it. I have never said one word to him about it. But I take comfort in his misery. I enjoy imagining his discomfort as he contemplates the fact that his good little boy - the smart son, the doctor - is getting stuffed every night like a Christmas turkey.

    There are lots of people who are unhappy about lots of different things. Misery has lots of company.

    Sitting at the bus stop with the boiling noonday sun bearing down upon me, I see people riding around in their air-conditioned Lexuses with grim expressions on their faces, and I think to myself, "Losers."

    This is a monstrous thing to say, but sometimes I feel a certain grim sense of satisfaction when I learn that some thin, attractive person has just committed suicide. I have failed at a lot of things in life, but to date I have fulfilled my biological impulse to seek self-preservation.

    But, yeah, I do need to lose weight.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @James Speaks, @Justvisiting

    As the token fatty on iSteve

    The rest of us look just like Kate Middleton with a beard.

    I put 30 lbs on my willowy frame in 2 yrs when my thyroid became underactive in my late 50s. With medication, my lethargy decreased but my weight sure didn’t.

  166. @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    The best way to keep off weight is not to eat snacks at all. Eat 2 or 3 moderate sized meals and nothing in between.

    I can easily burn calories just by cutting carbs in half. I don't think Americans realize how many carbs they eat throughout the day. Eating crackers while watching TV should not be normal. It doesn't matter if they have fiber in them or aren't covered in cheese.

    And a lot of fruits are high in sugar and are not that much better than candy. A glass of orange juice has as much sugar as a glass of Coca Cola.

    The American love affair with juice needs to end. A large glass of OJ with breakfast is not healthy. Yes it has Vitamin C but so does half the stuff you eat.

    And BTW, where did Americans get the idea that you can’t walk 5 minutes without buying a bottle of water?

    Where did Americans get the idea that you need a camel pack for a day hike? I see people out with REI camel packs for zero grade hikes. These are the same people that won't piss outside and hold it in until they get back.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    The American love affair with juice needs to end. A large glass of OJ with breakfast is not healthy.

    Hey, Advertising!

    • Replies: @dearieme
    @Joe Stalin

    I've swapped to a small glass of clementine juice.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Joe Stalin

    When I was growing up in England we didn't have much orange juice. My mother would take me to the health clinic and we would pick up bottles of cod liver oil and concentrate of orange juice, which were mixed on a spoon and swallowed to sweeten the unpleasant flavor of the cod liver oil.

    As I was growing up orange juice was still not a very popular item, but restaurants and hotels often served a small glass of canned orange juice with breakfast. It was rather bitter tasting.

    When I lived in Florida, I had two grapefruit trees, so did not buy much orange juice, but when I did get it it was delicious if it was early season juice that was slightly tangy, and the oranges were refrigerated overnight and freshly squeezed for breakfast. Likes the champagne of fruit juices.

    Here in Ecuador orange juice machines are a fixture in shopping malls. You insert a dollar, and then 3 oranges roll off the rack, a sliced in half, squeezed, and then a paper cup full of orange juice is dispensed. The oranges are often slightly green and the juice is not too sweet.

    Or you can just go to the market and buy 24 oranges for $1 and squeeze them yourself.

    Orange juice is good for a source of vitamin C, and would have been very useful for Columbus's crew, but the trouble is that it contains a lot of sugar.

    In fact when diabetics who take insulin or other oral medications have a blood sugar that is too low in the morning, the normal practice is to give them a glass of orange juice to rapidly elevate their blood sugar.

  167. @Jack D
    @Altai

    Apparently the headquarters of H&M is heated (in part) by burning surplus inventory.

    https://goodonyou.eco/fashion-brands-burn-unsold-clothes/#:~:text=In%202017%2C%20it%20was%20revealed,practice%20in%20the%20fashion%20industry.

    Not only do the "fast fashion" brands do it, so do prestige brands such as Burberry, though for different reasons. (Burberry does it in order to create artificial scarcity to support the price).

    The mistake that Old Navy made was not to produce TOO MUCH of the large sizes. As you say, overproduction is standard industry practice - if you are selling something for $20 that cost $2 to produce, it's no big deal if you have to throw out 30% of the inventory at the end of the season. The mistake was making NOT ENOUGH of the standard sizes. If someone walks into the store intending to buy a $20 item that cost you $2 to make and you don't have it, you have now lost $18 of gross profit - enough to pay for 9 discarded items. It's better to throw out 30% of your inventory than it is to lose X% of sales, where X is a pretty small number.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    “… The mistake was making NOT ENOUGH of the standard sizes. ..”

    The stores are going have a limited amount of display and storage space. Waste a lot of it on stuff that won’t sell and it isn’t surprising that you are likely to run out of the good stuff.

  168. @Hodag
    There is a store out there for mostly teenage girls called Brandy Melville. They only carry size xs/s. They say that is for cost reasons but the actual function is to not have their clothes worn by fat women. It is a branding exercise.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Harry Baldwin, @Alden, @Alice in Wonderland

    Abercrombie & Fitch used to have the same attitude–no plus sizes in women’s wear.

    It could all boil down to the mindset of CEO Mike Jeffries, who seems to want customers like the teens who are in the inside of the circle and not staring in from the outside in plus-sized fashions.

    “In every school there are the cool and popular kids, and then there are the not-so-cool kids,” he told [Salon]. “Candidly, we go after the cool kids. We go after the attractive all-American kid with a great attitude and a lot of friends. A lot of people don’t belong [in our clothes], and they can’t belong. Are we exclusionary? Absolutely.”

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Harry Baldwin

    That interview was from 2006. I don't think you could get away with saying this today. Frankly it was a stupid idea. The "cool kids" by definition are maybe 10% of all kids (if all kids were popular then the term would be meaningless). You can't run a mass market business catering to 10% of the population.

    Rather, what he was saying was just bullshit to cultivate an image. If you ask people "are you an above average driver, 90% of people will rate themselves "above average" but almost half of those people are wrong - their self perception doesn't match reality. Same thing with kids - if you as a kid, "are you a cool kid?" most will say yes and therefore will think that they are qualified to bear the honor of allowing A&F to take their money for their overpriced clothing . Likewise, A&F used to only honor kids with minimum wage jobs at their mall stores if they looked sufficiently like the slutty blonde Aryan stereotypes in their ads.

    Nowadays of course they are totally woke like everyone else and their home page celebrates their "gender-inclusive collection designed for everyone" showing lots of gays and non-whites and non-white gays.

    https://www.abercrombie.com/shop/us

    I can ALMOST see why it is that some people here want the cleansing fire of Putin's nukes to blast Current Year Sodomamerica to hell.

    Replies: @Hodag

  169. Round about 15 years ago a message went out one Thursday afternoon to all the women in America that tight black leggings were now de rigueur. Come the following Monday they all owned two pairs, no matter how grotesquely inappropriate. Several things stood out.
    1. The extent of female networking, confirming the wisdom of my drumming into my son the truism that once you tell one woman something, you’ve told them all.
    2. The need to conform in women is so strong it overcomes fear of ridicule.
    3. John Knox’s 1658 treatise “The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of Women”. Needs to be introduced into the schools.

    • Thanks: Nicholas Stix
    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Bill Jones

    You forgot the Camel Toe (Steve's new revised rules of capitalization) as something that stood out.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  170. @OilcanFloyd
    @Jack D


    You need to visit the nearest WalMart/ghetto more often. For every 120 lb. woman like your spouse there is a 220 lb. Food Stamps fed land whale out there, just like for every 115+ IQ middle class white person there is an 85- IQ lower class white.
     
    I don't that's the distribution among whites of 85 and 115 IQs. I would think that IQs of 115 are much more common among whites than IQs of 85. Am I remembering wrong, or didn't 85 used to fall in the range of mentally retarded?

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    “… I would think that IQs of 115 are much more common among whites than IQs of 85. ..”

    IQ tests are normed against a reference population in such a way that the distribution is forced to be symmetric around 100. That is the fraction with IQ less than 100-x will be the same as the fraction with IQ greater than 100+x. So for a test normed with respect to whites as many whites will score below 85 as above 115.

    The so called “Flynn effect” is a complication. For a while average IQ scores were rising over time. So for an old test current scores would no longer match the desired distribution and there would be fewer under 85 compared to over 115.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @James B. Shearer

    Unless I'm mistaken, the IQ distribution for whites (and probably not other group) is not a perfectly symmetrical asymptote. I could be wrong, but I don't think that's how it works.

    https://www.mun.ca/biology/scarr/IQ_Bladk_White.jpg

  171. BODEQUALITY

    That’s some BOD-acious marketing. I temped at a Monica Scott warehouse years ago. They had just changed their name from the less-attractive House of Large Sizes. That name lasted longer for a (slender) band from Cedar Falls:

    The average American woman is a size 18 today, up from a size 14 five years ago…

    Sizes in the US are arbitrary numbers. In other countries, the numbers denote actual units of measurement. Hmm…

  172. @prosa123
    Clothing observation: last week I was in a Nordstrom's, to be specific the one at the Roosevelt Field Mall in Garden City NY, and I was shocked to see that they carry very few men's suits anymore. What was a whole wall of them a few years ago has shrunk to a couple of circular racks. My best estimate is that it's more than a 90% reduction.

    It seems obvious that business casual and especially WFH have taken a massive toll on suit sales. Another example is suit retailer Men's Wearhouse, which has considerably downsized. And Brooks Brothers, which carries more and more casual and women's attire. I'm only slightly exaggerating when I say that any man wearing a suit is likely to be going to a job interview, or a life insurance salesman.

    Replies: @Jack D, @usNthem, @BracketCreep, @John Johnson, @epebble, @Calvin Hobbes, @Corn

  173. @prosa123
    Clothing observation: last week I was in a Nordstrom's, to be specific the one at the Roosevelt Field Mall in Garden City NY, and I was shocked to see that they carry very few men's suits anymore. What was a whole wall of them a few years ago has shrunk to a couple of circular racks. My best estimate is that it's more than a 90% reduction.

    It seems obvious that business casual and especially WFH have taken a massive toll on suit sales. Another example is suit retailer Men's Wearhouse, which has considerably downsized. And Brooks Brothers, which carries more and more casual and women's attire. I'm only slightly exaggerating when I say that any man wearing a suit is likely to be going to a job interview, or a life insurance salesman.

    Replies: @Jack D, @usNthem, @BracketCreep, @John Johnson, @epebble, @Calvin Hobbes, @Corn

    I’m only slightly exaggerating when I say that any man wearing a suit is likely to be going to a job interview, or a life insurance salesman.

    I tend to assume he’s going to a funeral

  174. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    The health benefits of abortion outweigh the risks of pregnancy.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The health benefits of abortion outweigh the risks of pregnancy.

    Not on a society-wide basis.

    It certainly has negative dermatological effects– as in wrinkles.

  175. @Mike Tre
    @Jack D

    Male genital mutilation has an ancient barbaric practice passed down by ((your people)) that has absolutely no positive medical benefit and plenty of negative ones. This is idea that it "decreases the risk of infections" or whatever bullshit you people use to justify its continued practice is literally insane. The practice is up there with Africans slaughtering albino negroes and raping the corpses in order to ward off evil spirits or whatever they do.

    Asians and anyone else who have had the benefit of not being influenced by Jewish cult ritual disguised as medicine have suffered absolutely zero ill effects from the absence of male genital mutilation throughout their entire history. It didn't exist in the US until the early 1900's, when Jewish doctors connived the medical field into promoting the practice through god knows what illicit means.


    It's not surprising that you defend the practice, and lie about its benefits. There are none, other than it was good for the jews as they could hide among gentiles easier.

    Replies: @Jack D, @John Johnson

    IANAD (I am not a doctor) and I suspect neither are you. If you are not Jewish and have or are about to have a male baby (as Alden points out, lots of dudes here are more of grandpa age than fatherhood age) please consult your (favorite non-Jewish and preferably Asian) pediatrician for advice rather than the sages of the internet. If the Joos haven’t bribed him or brainwashed him or something.

    It’s true that the rate of circumcision seems to vary widely between countries, ranging from virtually nil to virtually everyone. Islam is the #1 factor, followed by whether or not the Joos have poisoned the minds of the population.

    https://pophealthmetrics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12963-016-0073-5/tables/1

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Jack D

    I'm not going to read your lies, but for anyone interested in a very good video about the ridiculous act of male genital mutilation, here is a presentation by a jewish graduate student from Harvard that explains the myth and lies surrounding the procedure known as "circumcision" in their entirety. He is a bit theatrical.

    https://youtu.be/FCuy163srRc

    Replies: @anon

  176. @Joe Stalin
    @John Johnson


    The American love affair with juice needs to end. A large glass of OJ with breakfast is not healthy.
     
    Hey, Advertising!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCLuP0ky68I

    Replies: @dearieme, @Jonathan Mason

    I’ve swapped to a small glass of clementine juice.

  177. @Stan Adams
    @Arclight

    As the token fatty on iSteve, I can report that, for a free lunch, I would walk a mile in the 90-degree sun with 100% humidity without a moment's hesitation. I do it just about it every day.

    I routinely walk two, three, even five miles at a time. On my days off, I leave the house on foot and combine my walking with bus rides to add variety.

    Still, I'm pretty fat.

    I understand the visceral disgust that people feel. I understand the need to discourage people from being fat. I understand that, ultimately, being fat is a choice. That being said, I don't find snide comments from rude people to be particularly helpful.

    I have a certain sense of contempt for people who can't keep their mouths shut. I have a Midwestern sense of politeness, where I assiduously avoid saying anything unpleasant about anyone within earshot while keeping the most murderous thoughts to myself. Even if I loathe you - even if I have a burning desire to decapitate you with my bare hands - I will make a Herculean effort to maintain a blandly pleasant façade. If you say something rude, I will pretend that I didn't hear it. It's not difficult for me to be nice, because I'm really quite indifferent to most people I meet. Even those I hate are rarely on my radar screen.

    At a young age I began telling myself that other people are nothing more than background noise. "They're ants; they're cockroaches; they're buzzing little gnats. They're entitled to their insignificant opinions." Over time I almost came to believe it.

    As my mother used to tell me, "People are s**t. Who cares what stupid a**holes think? F**k 'em."

    I have found my mother's advice most useful.

    An older acquaintance of mine, who fancies himself something of a mentor to me, sometimes takes it upon himself to offer his own (unsolicited) advice. "I'm going to tell you what I told my own son. If you want people to be nice to you, then you need to lose the weight."

    When he says that, I smile and think to myself (but do not say out loud), "Would that be your gay son, who most assuredly is not the man in any relationship? You must be so proud, knowing that he shed all that extra fat just so he could grow up to become a fag."

    (Yes, I know he has a valid point and I would do well to listen to him. I am aware that being fat is bad.)

    I have another older acquaintance - a New York transplant - who has no reservations about making disparaging comments about my weight. He doesn't "do" politeness - just he goes right for the jugular.

    Interestingly enough, his son is also gay. He is not happy about it. I have never said one word to him about it. But I take comfort in his misery. I enjoy imagining his discomfort as he contemplates the fact that his good little boy - the smart son, the doctor - is getting stuffed every night like a Christmas turkey.

    There are lots of people who are unhappy about lots of different things. Misery has lots of company.

    Sitting at the bus stop with the boiling noonday sun bearing down upon me, I see people riding around in their air-conditioned Lexuses with grim expressions on their faces, and I think to myself, "Losers."

    This is a monstrous thing to say, but sometimes I feel a certain grim sense of satisfaction when I learn that some thin, attractive person has just committed suicide. I have failed at a lot of things in life, but to date I have fulfilled my biological impulse to seek self-preservation.

    But, yeah, I do need to lose weight.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @James Speaks, @Justvisiting

    Weight loss Fat loss is counter-intuitive. Get your fill of lean meet and legumes, even if you go over your “calorie budget.” Your metabolism will adapt. However, deprive your body of calories, and you will lose muscle mass and gain fat.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @James Speaks

    So you are saying that meat and legumes contain calories that are not digested by the body, but that calorie reduction converts muscle into fat?

    So in fact, when it comes to human weight loss, the laws of physics are not applicable?

    Calorie reduction seems to work for dogs.

    It seems to me that to lose weight you need to lose both fat and muscle, and ultimately bone weight, because if you are substantially overweight, you will develop more leg muscles to carry that weight, and thicker bones to carry that weight.

    Of course weight reduction diets have to be balanced, because the biggest danger would be losing heart muscle, or subjecting yourself to chemical changes in electrolytes that reduce the efficiency of the heartbeat or brain function.

    My Peruvian cleaning lady told me today that the brain requires 125 grams of sugar per day to function correctly. She is usually right.

    Replies: @Jack D, @James Speaks

  178. @notsaying
    Having a wider range of sizes in no way requires companies to order the same number of pieces of each size. If they ordered too few of the middle sizes, they did. Those were sizes they would have always offered in the past so they should have had a good idea of what they needed -- or was there increased demand due inflation and people trading down from the Gap and other more expensive stores?

    If they added extra sizes and styles for petites and plus, there was more uncertainty about how much they would sell. I hope other companies don't get discouraged and drop plans to expand sizes. Lesson here is to be more careful in ordering right number of pieces.

    I am surprised their regular customer who could not find her size didn't just order online.

    Replies: @prosa123, @James B. Shearer, @Ann K., @SaneClownPosse

    I would guess that some genius in a corporate office, who had only been in a retail outlet one time for orientation, calculated that there was enormous pent up demand for larger sizes, and ordered way too many plus sizes, and less normal sizes, for every retail outlet.

    Now any plus sized woman with an internet connection and PayPal account can find the clothing on eBay cheap.

  179. @OilcanFloyd

    I can’t afford a WSJ subscription, but this article starts instead with a summary sentence.
     
    It's a running joke that you don't have a pot to piss in, so I guess there's truth to it. It's none of my business, but what makes you stay in California when you would probably have a better material life elsewhere, especially after swapping homes? Are all the normal people refusing to leave blue states?

    Replies: @onetwothree, @guest007, @ScarletNumber, @dailydose

    It’s none of my business, but what makes you stay in California when you would probably have a better material life elsewhere, especially after swapping homes?

    West Hollywood rentboys.

  180. anon[295] • Disclaimer says:

    The Gap used to be an iconic business success. What happened? Brand extension and the demise of the mall.
    The Gap had brilliant advertising.

    And the odd celebrity in a tee shirt:

    https://www.mocp.org/exhibitions/1990/4/gap--individuals-of-style.php

    Now they can’t even get inventory right. It used to be a thing. Stock down 70% from \$35 to \$10.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @anon

    The Gap used to be an iconic business success. What happened? Brand extension and the demise of the mall.
    The Gap had brilliant advertising.

    People started going to old navy under the belief that they had the same quality clothes.

    They really didn't.

    I had too many old navy shirts and pants shrink weird in the wash.

    Not even close to Gap or Banana Republic quality.

    Going to BR was a nice experience. They always had plenty of staff to help you find the perfect pair of pants. You could take an hour and they wouldn't care.

    Anytime a company tries to "go woke" it means they are in trouble and having an identity crisis. Same thing happened to Victoria's secret.

  181. @dearieme
    @B36

    The nearest I've come to that is having clothing made-to-measure by Hong Kong tailors.

    It's worked well in HK, in NZ, and in the UK for suits and shirts.

    Replies: @Veracitor

    So far as I can discover, the “Hong Kong tailoring” system doesn’t work any more.

    Background: just before the pandemic I tried to buy some new suits and sport coats. I really am kind of average-sized for a 1980’s American man and honestly not fat, so for decades I could get by with minor alterations to mid-sized off-the-rack clothes. But nowadays I can’t— because the patterns have been changed. Every department-store and mall-boutique brand is now cut to fit Southern Chinese men, so far as I can find out. All the clothes are sewn there and they use the same patterns for all production, with narrow chests and too-short sleeves and pipestem legs.

    American retailers then market the badly-patterned clothes as “slim fit.” But they don’t stock any “regular fit” items! At first I thought the problem was gay buyers stocking what they like personally, but when I went to Men’s Wearhouse I got clued-in. No American retailer moves enough sack suits or sport coats to persuade a Chinese factory to cut the cloth to Euro-American standard patterns. Our retailers buy what they can get cheaply and then tell retail customers to take it or leave it. Since it doesn’t fit and there’s no extra cloth in it for expansive alterations, customers mostly leave it. (This is then interpreted as a lack of interest in men’s fashion when a lot of the problem is unwillingness to purchase clothes that cannot be worn.)

    But “what about Hong Kong tailors?” you ask. When I complained about the crap on the racks, several retailers tried to upsell me to semi-custom garments from China. That sounded good until they all confessed under questioning that the patterns would be exactly the same! They would measure you and you would choose your cloth and wait six weeks— and then get a semi-custom suit that still didn’t fit and couldn’t be returned!

    When he realized that I wasn’t going to take the semi-custom-but-still-unwearable bait, the salesman in Men’s Wearhouse switched gears completely and told me wistfully that the lack of supply was very frustrating to him. He couldn’t sell anything to the more discerning buyers who were the ones with all the money because the inventory was all unwearable . He could only sell crap to kids and FOB’s.

    At the time I couldn’t get any line on the old-fashioned traveling “HK” tailor scheme, where you got measured in a rented office or meeting room while the rep was in town and received your clothes a couple months later. If that system has been revived (maybe not actually sewing in HK) and offers properly-patterned or even affordable fully-custom-cut clothes, I’d like to hear about it.

  182. @Harry Baldwin
    @Hodag

    Abercrombie & Fitch used to have the same attitude--no plus sizes in women's wear.


    It could all boil down to the mindset of CEO Mike Jeffries, who seems to want customers like the teens who are in the inside of the circle and not staring in from the outside in plus-sized fashions.

    “In every school there are the cool and popular kids, and then there are the not-so-cool kids,” he told [Salon]. “Candidly, we go after the cool kids. We go after the attractive all-American kid with a great attitude and a lot of friends. A lot of people don’t belong [in our clothes], and they can’t belong. Are we exclusionary? Absolutely.”
     

    Replies: @Jack D

    That interview was from 2006. I don’t think you could get away with saying this today. Frankly it was a stupid idea. The “cool kids” by definition are maybe 10% of all kids (if all kids were popular then the term would be meaningless). You can’t run a mass market business catering to 10% of the population.

    Rather, what he was saying was just bullshit to cultivate an image. If you ask people “are you an above average driver, 90% of people will rate themselves “above average” but almost half of those people are wrong – their self perception doesn’t match reality. Same thing with kids – if you as a kid, “are you a cool kid?” most will say yes and therefore will think that they are qualified to bear the honor of allowing A&F to take their money for their overpriced clothing . Likewise, A&F used to only honor kids with minimum wage jobs at their mall stores if they looked sufficiently like the slutty blonde Aryan stereotypes in their ads.

    Nowadays of course they are totally woke like everyone else and their home page celebrates their “gender-inclusive collection designed for everyone” showing lots of gays and non-whites and non-white gays.

    https://www.abercrombie.com/shop/us

    I can ALMOST see why it is that some people here want the cleansing fire of Putin’s nukes to blast Current Year Sodomamerica to hell.

    • Replies: @Hodag
    @Jack D

    Abercrombie. And Fitch didn't get away with it - they were sued and then tried the fiction that their salespeople were performers like Hooters girls.

    The company barely survives.

  183. Speaking of bad retail campaigns, the Softer Side of Sears campaign of the early 1990’s has to be one of the most boneheaded of all time. It’s a major factor why the company’s nearly out of business today.

    While Sears always sold just about everything, its strength had long been in so-called hardlines: tools, automotive items, electronics, appliances, kitchenware, furniture and sporting goods, among others. Not clothing and especially not women’s clothing. In the 1980’s into the 1990’s, however, Sears faced increasing competition. Rather than refocus their efforts on hardlines, top management decided instead to focus on women’s clothing, up to then more or less a sideline, reasoning – correctly, to be sure – that it was a huge market, probably larger that all hardlines combined. And thus began the Softer Side of Sears.

    What the managers did not understand, unfortunately, is that while women’s clothing is a huge market, there’s also huge competition. Walk into any mall now or then and seemingly half the stores will be peddling women’s clothing. What’s more, Sears’ rather stodgy, distinctly untrendy reputation was a disastrous fit in such a fashion-driven market.

    Sears dropped the campaign after a few years, but the damage had been done. In this 1993 commercial you can practically see the company’s eventual doom.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @prosa123

    Advertising is always aspirational and not realistic. The kids in toy ads are always a few years older than the kids who will actually buy the toys, the women are always a few sizes smaller and a few #s higher on the 1 to 10 scale than the actual women who will buy the clothing, etc.

    So there was nothing wrong with these ads per se, but fundamentally you were right that trying to turn Sears into a ladies fashion retailer was a doomed effort. Then again, retailing is like restaurants - ultimately every retailer is doomed. It's only a question of how long they can last before going broke. At some point the fickle tastes of the public will make a turn and you will miss the turn and drive over the edge instead. If you remain the same you are doomed and if you reinvent yourself but the reinvention is not exactly what the public wants you are equally doomed. Sears lasted longer than most.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @prosa123

    , @anon
    @prosa123

    Probably more than anyone wants to know.

    How do you go bankrupt? Slowly at firs then suddenly.

    Sears has been failing for decades. The final bankruptcy was a painful, two decade private equity managed deal by formerly smart boy wonder Eddie Lampert. He had a number of schemes, all based on the total real estate being considered more valuable then the whole business. And then liquidating any brands that could be sold. Craftsman, DieHard. Lands End.

    The key thing, Sears post WW 2 buildout ran into discounting beginning in the 60's. The stores were doomed, it was just a matter a massively drawn out demise.

    The most interesting factoid is that their financial brands were much more profitable than the stores when Sears tried their financial supermarket idea, accounting for 70% of profits.

    Allstate, Dean Witter, Coldwell Banker, The Discover Card. Allstate and Discover are still stand alone financial firms with market values of $60 billion.

    They even owned a pre internet network, Prodigy which could have been AOL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prodigy_(online_service)

    I suppose there was not enough reason to keep the financial businesses together based on free office space or whatever.

    But in retrospect, they were in the business of business...or capital allocation, rather than retailing. But they thought their core competency was retail, and the rest is history.

    There is no reason for nostalgia. Sears put thousands of merchants out of business during its ascendancy. And it isn't like there is any shortage of goods and services in the US.

    Replies: @Prosa123

  184. The New York Times these days almost always starts articles with a human interest anecdote representative of the theme of the article…

    Focusing on anecdotes seems to be increasingly common all over the media.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @jamie b.

    Most people have a hard time thinking about statistics but an easy time thinking about anecdotes. I try to integrate the two: e.g., is the anecdote representative of the data (a Dog Bites Man story) or is it a Man Bites Dog story?

  185. @prosa123
    Speaking of bad retail campaigns, the Softer Side of Sears campaign of the early 1990's has to be one of the most boneheaded of all time. It's a major factor why the company's nearly out of business today.

    While Sears always sold just about everything, its strength had long been in so-called hardlines: tools, automotive items, electronics, appliances, kitchenware, furniture and sporting goods, among others. Not clothing and especially not women's clothing. In the 1980's into the 1990's, however, Sears faced increasing competition. Rather than refocus their efforts on hardlines, top management decided instead to focus on women's clothing, up to then more or less a sideline, reasoning - correctly, to be sure - that it was a huge market, probably larger that all hardlines combined. And thus began the Softer Side of Sears.

    What the managers did not understand, unfortunately, is that while women's clothing is a huge market, there's also huge competition. Walk into any mall now or then and seemingly half the stores will be peddling women's clothing. What's more, Sears' rather stodgy, distinctly untrendy reputation was a disastrous fit in such a fashion-driven market.

    Sears dropped the campaign after a few years, but the damage had been done. In this 1993 commercial you can practically see the company's eventual doom.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgorb9tiC30

    Replies: @Jack D, @anon

    Advertising is always aspirational and not realistic. The kids in toy ads are always a few years older than the kids who will actually buy the toys, the women are always a few sizes smaller and a few #s higher on the 1 to 10 scale than the actual women who will buy the clothing, etc.

    So there was nothing wrong with these ads per se, but fundamentally you were right that trying to turn Sears into a ladies fashion retailer was a doomed effort. Then again, retailing is like restaurants – ultimately every retailer is doomed. It’s only a question of how long they can last before going broke. At some point the fickle tastes of the public will make a turn and you will miss the turn and drive over the edge instead. If you remain the same you are doomed and if you reinvent yourself but the reinvention is not exactly what the public wants you are equally doomed. Sears lasted longer than most.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Jack D


    Sears lasted longer than most.
     
    Sears acquired K-Mart in 2005. K-Mart was founded as S. S. Kresge in 1899 and adopted the K-Mart name in 1977.

    Listen to the 1960s S. S. Kresge store background music.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe7YPfaY7OE

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @prosa123
    @Jack D

    Then again, retailing is like restaurants – ultimately every retailer is doomed. It’s only a question of how long they can last before going broke. At some point the fickle tastes of the public will make a turn and you will miss the turn and drive over the edge instead. If you remain the same you are doomed and if you reinvent yourself but the reinvention is not exactly what the public wants you are equally doomed.

    Many retailers have shown the ability to adapt and change and therefore remain successful. Sears was too clueless and too much stuck in its ways.

    Replies: @Jack D

  186. See, clothing retailing has been going on for centuries, and they were doing it all wrong. Old Navy fixes it. And discovers why things have been done the way they have since time immemorial.

    It’s not phobic, it’s inventory management.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Gamecock

    See, clothing retailing has been going on for centuries.... since time immemorial.

    Ready to wear, standard sized clothing is fairly new. For men it began with military uniforms starting in the early 19th century. For men it was a relatively easy problem in that sizes were based on chest size (the system still used for men's suits) with the rest of the suit proportional (or easily altered such as pants length).

    This system didn't work for women because their chest size doesn't always correlate with the rest of their body. Aside from the sizing problem, 19th century women's fashions did not lend themselves to off the rack fitting and it was normal for women to have their clothes tailored (or make them themselves) until the 20th century.

    That being said, the retailing of ready made women's clothing and the practice of selling only "normal" sizes in a regular shop and "Plus sizes" in separate stores or depts. has been around since the beginning of the 20th century so it's not exactly new either. But it's always been confusing - there are all sorts of arcane categories such as "misses", "juniors" and "petites" none of which mean what they sound like but are mostly euphemisms for things like "short" and "flat chested".

    Replies: @Alden

  187. @James B. Shearer
    @OilcanFloyd

    "... I would think that IQs of 115 are much more common among whites than IQs of 85. .."

    IQ tests are normed against a reference population in such a way that the distribution is forced to be symmetric around 100. That is the fraction with IQ less than 100-x will be the same as the fraction with IQ greater than 100+x. So for a test normed with respect to whites as many whites will score below 85 as above 115.

    The so called "Flynn effect" is a complication. For a while average IQ scores were rising over time. So for an old test current scores would no longer match the desired distribution and there would be fewer under 85 compared to over 115.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    Unless I’m mistaken, the IQ distribution for whites (and probably not other group) is not a perfectly symmetrical asymptote. I could be wrong, but I don’t think that’s how it works.

  188. @Farenheit
    @John Johnson


    I honestly hate business casual.
     
    .

    If you hate business casual, wait until you see what's next. Reporting here from Silicon Valley, Ca, where all the worst ideas come to life, get ready for "Home Depot Casual"...ratty cargo shorts, a stupid novelty tee shirt, flip flops and a mangy dog.....coming to an office near you soon!

    Replies: @usNthem, @stillCARealist

    We visited a large evangelical church in our area this morning. You know all those silly, satirical Babylon Bee articles poking fun at Christians? Well now we understand all the jokes. Fully.

    The standard attire for men was shorts or jeans, t-shirts or short-sleeved collared plaid, and smart-looking sneakers with tiny socks. Of course, none of them tuck in their shirts… even the skinny guys.

  189. @OilcanFloyd
    What do people in marketing and advertising study these days? I thought selling most things is about selling an image that customers aspire to, but apparently that's not the case. Companies like L.L. Bean, Orvis, and Land's End seem confused. I'm not sure if they think their average customer lives on the south side of Chicago, or if their current overwhelmingly white customers aspire to be black. Am I the one who is confused? Does wokeness for such companies affect profits?

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Pat Kittle

    Yes, Brooks Brothers and J. Press, too. I think the idea with having 50-60% of print and tv models be black or mulatto is that white people don’t care all that much whereas black people constantly need to see people who “ look like them” or they lose all hope.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    I think the idea with having 50-60% of print and tv models be black or mulatto is that white people don’t care all that much whereas black people constantly need to see people who “ look like them” or they lose all hope.
     
    You are likely right about the reasoning, but is it sound reasoning? I'm not sure it is, or if it's worth the risk. Blacks and whites have very different tastes in fashion. Few blacks would know or care if black models started to show up in advertising for L.L. Bean, Orvis, or Land's End, and black models surely wouldn't influence their fashion purchases, any more than blacks showing up on advertising for Super Cuts would persuade many blacks to get a haircut or style in what is likely viewed as a white salon.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

  190. @jamie b.

    The New York Times these days almost always starts articles with a human interest anecdote representative of the theme of the article...
     
    Focusing on anecdotes seems to be increasingly common all over the media.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Most people have a hard time thinking about statistics but an easy time thinking about anecdotes. I try to integrate the two: e.g., is the anecdote representative of the data (a Dog Bites Man story) or is it a Man Bites Dog story?

  191. @usNthem
    Instead of catering to slobs, they should be encouraged, if not required to lose the fat - I mean that is supposed to be healthier, right? But it’s also mean I guess, so we can’t have that. Just another sop to one more “special interest group”.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Trimming fat day will come and it won’t be pretty.

  192. @Bill Jones
    Round about 15 years ago a message went out one Thursday afternoon to all the women in America that tight black leggings were now de rigueur. Come the following Monday they all owned two pairs, no matter how grotesquely inappropriate. Several things stood out.
    1. The extent of female networking, confirming the wisdom of my drumming into my son the truism that once you tell one woman something, you've told them all.
    2. The need to conform in women is so strong it overcomes fear of ridicule.
    3. John Knox's 1658 treatise "The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of Women". Needs to be introduced into the schools.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    You forgot the Camel Toe (Steve’s new revised rules of capitalization) as something that stood out.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    I did mean to include a line about the astonishing absence of any sense of modesty.

  193. @Jack D
    @prosa123

    Advertising is always aspirational and not realistic. The kids in toy ads are always a few years older than the kids who will actually buy the toys, the women are always a few sizes smaller and a few #s higher on the 1 to 10 scale than the actual women who will buy the clothing, etc.

    So there was nothing wrong with these ads per se, but fundamentally you were right that trying to turn Sears into a ladies fashion retailer was a doomed effort. Then again, retailing is like restaurants - ultimately every retailer is doomed. It's only a question of how long they can last before going broke. At some point the fickle tastes of the public will make a turn and you will miss the turn and drive over the edge instead. If you remain the same you are doomed and if you reinvent yourself but the reinvention is not exactly what the public wants you are equally doomed. Sears lasted longer than most.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @prosa123

    Sears lasted longer than most.

    Sears acquired K-Mart in 2005. K-Mart was founded as S. S. Kresge in 1899 and adopted the K-Mart name in 1977.

    Listen to the 1960s S. S. Kresge store background music.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Joe Stalin


    Sears acquired K-Mart in 2005. K-Mart was founded as S. S. Kresge in 1899 and adopted the K-Mart name in 1977.
     
    First store opened:

    Kmart, 25 Jan 1962, San Leandro, California.
    Target, 1 May 1962, Roseville, Minn.
    Walmart, 2 Jul 1962, Rogers, Ark.


    Happy Sixtieth, everyone!

    Depending on where you live, one of them will seem older than the other two.

    Replies: @Truth

  194. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @OilcanFloyd

    Yes, Brooks Brothers and J. Press, too. I think the idea with having 50-60% of print and tv models be black or mulatto is that white people don’t care all that much whereas black people constantly need to see people who “ look like them” or they lose all hope.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    I think the idea with having 50-60% of print and tv models be black or mulatto is that white people don’t care all that much whereas black people constantly need to see people who “ look like them” or they lose all hope.

    You are likely right about the reasoning, but is it sound reasoning? I’m not sure it is, or if it’s worth the risk. Blacks and whites have very different tastes in fashion. Few blacks would know or care if black models started to show up in advertising for L.L. Bean, Orvis, or Land’s End, and black models surely wouldn’t influence their fashion purchases, any more than blacks showing up on advertising for Super Cuts would persuade many blacks to get a haircut or style in what is likely viewed as a white salon.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @OilcanFloyd

    Blacks love prep style, but you’re right Lands End might be pushing it. It doesn’t have a recognizable logo, for one thing.

    It’s probably not their idea, anyway. It’s probably some marketing lady being aspirational on their behalf, like all the tv ads where they’re wearing lab coats and holding test tubes, or being good dads.

  195. @B36
    @SafeNow

    Took a trip to Asia earlier this year and first leg was on American and second on Japan Airlines. Like night and day. The American flight attendants were all old, fat, and irritable. The Japanese attendants were all young, slender, and polite. Also on American the food wasn't fit for a dog.

    Replies: @usNthem, @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar

    Northwest Airlines’ stews were in the Teamsters’ union. And looked the part.

    Except, of course, the male ones.

    • LOL: Alden
  196. @Jack D
    @Harry Baldwin

    That interview was from 2006. I don't think you could get away with saying this today. Frankly it was a stupid idea. The "cool kids" by definition are maybe 10% of all kids (if all kids were popular then the term would be meaningless). You can't run a mass market business catering to 10% of the population.

    Rather, what he was saying was just bullshit to cultivate an image. If you ask people "are you an above average driver, 90% of people will rate themselves "above average" but almost half of those people are wrong - their self perception doesn't match reality. Same thing with kids - if you as a kid, "are you a cool kid?" most will say yes and therefore will think that they are qualified to bear the honor of allowing A&F to take their money for their overpriced clothing . Likewise, A&F used to only honor kids with minimum wage jobs at their mall stores if they looked sufficiently like the slutty blonde Aryan stereotypes in their ads.

    Nowadays of course they are totally woke like everyone else and their home page celebrates their "gender-inclusive collection designed for everyone" showing lots of gays and non-whites and non-white gays.

    https://www.abercrombie.com/shop/us

    I can ALMOST see why it is that some people here want the cleansing fire of Putin's nukes to blast Current Year Sodomamerica to hell.

    Replies: @Hodag

    Abercrombie. And Fitch didn’t get away with it – they were sued and then tried the fiction that their salespeople were performers like Hooters girls.

    The company barely survives.

  197. @Jack D
    @prosa123

    Advertising is always aspirational and not realistic. The kids in toy ads are always a few years older than the kids who will actually buy the toys, the women are always a few sizes smaller and a few #s higher on the 1 to 10 scale than the actual women who will buy the clothing, etc.

    So there was nothing wrong with these ads per se, but fundamentally you were right that trying to turn Sears into a ladies fashion retailer was a doomed effort. Then again, retailing is like restaurants - ultimately every retailer is doomed. It's only a question of how long they can last before going broke. At some point the fickle tastes of the public will make a turn and you will miss the turn and drive over the edge instead. If you remain the same you are doomed and if you reinvent yourself but the reinvention is not exactly what the public wants you are equally doomed. Sears lasted longer than most.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @prosa123

    Then again, retailing is like restaurants – ultimately every retailer is doomed. It’s only a question of how long they can last before going broke. At some point the fickle tastes of the public will make a turn and you will miss the turn and drive over the edge instead. If you remain the same you are doomed and if you reinvent yourself but the reinvention is not exactly what the public wants you are equally doomed.

    Many retailers have shown the ability to adapt and change and therefore remain successful. Sears was too clueless and too much stuck in its ways.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @prosa123

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_retailers_of_the_United_States

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_department_stores_of_the_United_States

    It's a very long list, especially if you include the stores that merged into other chains - there are dozens of nameplates that all became "Macy's".

  198. @Gamecock
    See, clothing retailing has been going on for centuries, and they were doing it all wrong. Old Navy fixes it. And discovers why things have been done the way they have since time immemorial.

    It's not phobic, it's inventory management.

    Replies: @Jack D

    See, clothing retailing has been going on for centuries…. since time immemorial.

    Ready to wear, standard sized clothing is fairly new. For men it began with military uniforms starting in the early 19th century. For men it was a relatively easy problem in that sizes were based on chest size (the system still used for men’s suits) with the rest of the suit proportional (or easily altered such as pants length).

    This system didn’t work for women because their chest size doesn’t always correlate with the rest of their body. Aside from the sizing problem, 19th century women’s fashions did not lend themselves to off the rack fitting and it was normal for women to have their clothes tailored (or make them themselves) until the 20th century.

    That being said, the retailing of ready made women’s clothing and the practice of selling only “normal” sizes in a regular shop and “Plus sizes” in separate stores or depts. has been around since the beginning of the 20th century so it’s not exactly new either. But it’s always been confusing – there are all sorts of arcane categories such as “misses”, “juniors” and “petites” none of which mean what they sound like but are mostly euphemisms for things like “short” and “flat chested”.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Jack D

    Petite means short. Petite plus means short and fat. But what the fashion industry means by short is average and normal. The average American woman is 5’4. And with Hispanic and Asian immigration we will get shorter.

    The fashion industry believes the average height 5’4 American women to be a midget not worthy of designing clothes for. 5’8 is the lowest acceptable height they design and have the Chinese manufacture for.

    Petite is for women under 5’7. That’s 3 inches taller than average. I read somewhere that only 15 percent of black and White American women are 5’8 and over. Other races are shorter. So the fashion industry designs for people 5’8 plus aka men. The old misses size dresses were for 5’8 plus. The old junior dresses were for 5’7 minus.

    Those misses and juniors aren’t around much any more. Because they were dress sizes not pants and tops. Now everybody wears pants every day for everything but proms and weddings. And too little color and way too much black and beige. A couple years ago the entire women’s Saks Fifth Avenue catalog was black and beige. Black beige gray and White are supposedly classy and elegant. They’re not. Just drab and dingy.

    Women’s clothes aren’t fashion any more. Just pants and either men’s tops or feminine color embroidered tunic tops mid thigh length baggy made with extra voluminous amounts of fabric. Or were what once called maternity tops. The specialist maternity clothes are not very profitable now days. Because there’s so many baggy voluminous tops and baggy elastic waist pants around there’s not much need for maternity clothes any more.

  199. @prosa123
    @Jack D

    Then again, retailing is like restaurants – ultimately every retailer is doomed. It’s only a question of how long they can last before going broke. At some point the fickle tastes of the public will make a turn and you will miss the turn and drive over the edge instead. If you remain the same you are doomed and if you reinvent yourself but the reinvention is not exactly what the public wants you are equally doomed.

    Many retailers have shown the ability to adapt and change and therefore remain successful. Sears was too clueless and too much stuck in its ways.

    Replies: @Jack D

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_retailers_of_the_United_States

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_department_stores_of_the_United_States

    It’s a very long list, especially if you include the stores that merged into other chains – there are dozens of nameplates that all became “Macy’s”.

  200. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    WSJ :

    [Old Navy] did away with separate petite and plus-size departments and grouped all sizes of each style together.
     
    Old Navy should go back to segregated size departments, but make it fun with weight class divisions like Dinghy, Frigate, and Dreadnought.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @VivaLaMigra

    Wow! Thanks, everyone. I hope someone at corporate reads it and goes for it. 🙂

  201. @Mark in BC
    Men's clothing is often done in measurements. Women's is not, for whatever reason you may choose. However, the XS-XXXL has increased over the years.

    In 1983 I was running a bunch of 5, 10 & 15k's. You always got a t-shirt. I got XL at the time because that's what fit. Fast forward(pun intended) to the 2010 era when I took up running events after a couple decade layoff. I now got L t-shirts that fit just fine. However, I was going through an old trunk that had shirts I'd gotten from '83. The XL's of that era were smaller than the L's I got in 2010.

    I imagine the entire industry, men and women, has trended the same over that period to make us think we're slim and trim instead of fat and sloppy.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    In 1983 I was running a bunch of 5, 10 & 15k’s. You always got a t-shirt. I got XL at the time because that’s what fit. Fast forward(pun intended) to the 2010 era when I took up running events after a couple decade layoff. I now got L t-shirts that fit just fine. However, I was going through an old trunk that had shirts I’d gotten from ’83. The XL’s of that era were smaller than the L’s I got in 2010.

    I’m a tall guy, of average build. Back in the 80s, when I still lived in USA, I always wore XLs in T-shirts, etc. But then, sometime starting in the 90s, when we’d come back to USA and do some shopping, I’d go for the XL rack as usual and start trying stuff on, and my wife finally said ‘You know, those all look really boxy and loose. Why don’t you try a size smaller?’ I’d worn XLs for so long I never thought I could fit in a large, but lo and behold, so I could.

    XLs now seem to run very wide indeed, and ever-shorter in the body than they used to, so they don’t fit me. Larges do fit widthwise, but they’re often even shorter, so it’s getting tough to find a decent fit outside speciality sizes (e.g. I now find I fit best in a ‘Large-Tall’, or even a ‘Medium-Tall’).

  202. @Jack D
    @prosa123

    Even worse must be the necktie industry. To the extent that men still wear suits, it is rarely with a tie. Neckties must be joining men's fedoras and ladies dress gloves on the list of nearly extinct items.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    As long as ties remain the go-to Fathers Day gift, the industry will live on. I happen to enjoy my tie collection

  203. @Jack D
    @Mike Tre

    IANAD (I am not a doctor) and I suspect neither are you. If you are not Jewish and have or are about to have a male baby (as Alden points out, lots of dudes here are more of grandpa age than fatherhood age) please consult your (favorite non-Jewish and preferably Asian) pediatrician for advice rather than the sages of the internet. If the Joos haven't bribed him or brainwashed him or something.

    It's true that the rate of circumcision seems to vary widely between countries, ranging from virtually nil to virtually everyone. Islam is the #1 factor, followed by whether or not the Joos have poisoned the minds of the population.

    https://pophealthmetrics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12963-016-0073-5/tables/1

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    I’m not going to read your lies, but for anyone interested in a very good video about the ridiculous act of male genital mutilation, here is a presentation by a jewish graduate student from Harvard that explains the myth and lies surrounding the procedure known as “circumcision” in their entirety. He is a bit theatrical.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Mike Tre

    What about aesthetics? People seem to prefer the mushroom look over the droopy anteater look.

  204. @OilcanFloyd
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    I think the idea with having 50-60% of print and tv models be black or mulatto is that white people don’t care all that much whereas black people constantly need to see people who “ look like them” or they lose all hope.
     
    You are likely right about the reasoning, but is it sound reasoning? I'm not sure it is, or if it's worth the risk. Blacks and whites have very different tastes in fashion. Few blacks would know or care if black models started to show up in advertising for L.L. Bean, Orvis, or Land's End, and black models surely wouldn't influence their fashion purchases, any more than blacks showing up on advertising for Super Cuts would persuade many blacks to get a haircut or style in what is likely viewed as a white salon.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Blacks love prep style, but you’re right Lands End might be pushing it. It doesn’t have a recognizable logo, for one thing.

    It’s probably not their idea, anyway. It’s probably some marketing lady being aspirational on their behalf, like all the tv ads where they’re wearing lab coats and holding test tubes, or being good dads.

  205. Duh! No-one has pointed out that charging the same for apparel (irrespective of the amount of material used) is no different than charging the same for Health Insurance (irrespective of the amount of services you use. The latter is more egregious (and imposed by Obamacare).

  206. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:

    Surely, there is a direct correlation between the relentless rise of obesity in America and the decline of hard manual labor employment.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Anonymous

    No, it’s the rise of Asian and Mexican food. Rice noodles beans tortillas egg roll and mushu wraps, a few scraps of mystery meat and vegetables. Carbs and calories.

    Since the mid 19th century it’s been known that low protein high carb diets cause chubbiness and obesity. But the health food industry nutritionists LOL experts public health departments and other lying experts insist low protein high carb is a healthy diet.

    Don’t eat a 7o calorie egg and a 100 calorie slice of white toast for breakfast. The egg will cause a heart attack. Instead have a healthy 400 calorie bagel with more calories of butter or cream cheese added in. Or a 500 calorie healthy whole grain muffin.

    Gazillions of people worked in offices or light manual labor occupations and stayed thin. Millions of wealthy and upper middle class women did no manual labor at all and stayed thin.

    It’s all this high carb food. Look at a meat or cheese sandwich 2 slices of low calorie thin white bread 100 calories a slice. Then look at a sandwich 2 slices of healthy whole grain seeds bread. Many of those types of bread have 220 calories a slice. Read the labels for calorie count. Or an entire baguette for a sandwich.

    Original bagels from the old country were about 2 and 1/2 inches in diameter. Now they’re about the size of a saucer. Know why whole-wheat and whole grain tastes so much better than plain White? Lots of sugar and molasses. Read the labels. Anything ends with ose is sugar.

    When the idiot nutritionists, experts and public health dam fool idijits were bribed by Pillsbuty Mills and wheat farmers to declare eggs oil and fat fattening and dangerous, the food manufacturers substituted sugar or ose substances for fat oil and eggs.

    And by not eating oil and fat, everybody got fat.

    The experts lie about everything. From black crime to food.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @John Johnson, @S. Anonyia, @anon

    , @AceDeuce
    @Anonymous


    Surely, there is a direct correlation between the relentless rise of obesity in America and the decline of hard manual labor employment.
     
    So why not in Europe?

    Or Japan? Or South Korea?
  207. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Hodag


    There is a store out there for mostly teenage girls called Brandy Melville. They only carry size xs/s. They say that is for cost reasons but the actual function is to not have their clothes worn by fat women. It is a branding exercise.
     
    Some people are just delicately framed. There is a twentysomething girl in my office who is very petite. I recently met her fiance and he is similarly small framed. They're probably 95lbs and 125lbs respectively. Together they look like they're from a lost race of tiny wood elves or something.

    You can see that since actual sizes have drifted upwards while being mislabeled (i.e., an old M is now an S), some smaller people probably do need clothes which are actually made for delicately framed adults.

    My great aunt married a WWII paratrooper who had landed in Europe during the war. He was always very small framed. Back then she bought some of his clothes in the boy's department, which was supposed to be kept a secret because it was a source of embarrassment for him.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @guest007, @Colin Wright, @GeologyAnonMk5

    Mrs Geology Anon and I are like that, 5’2″x 95 and 5’11” 135. As the article points out, it’s stupidly easy to get clothes lately, since most of our sizes go direct to clearance. I have had several stern talkings to regarding the wisdom behind purchasing, say, full length faux leopard skin cloaks or snakeskin jeans given my already arguably overample closet. My argument that “Hey I thought it looked funny and it only cost \$3.00” is not particularly effective, apparently.

    I had a similar memory from when I was young and had just been promoted to boy scouts from cub scouts, and got picked on quite nastily by the other scouts because I was practically swimming in my uniform. I tried to keep a stiff upper lip about it, but I was upset and my dad realized it and put on some movie and taught me how to do a running stitch (with fishing line, so it wasn’t girly) to take in the extra fabric on a garment and tighten it. We took in those two uniform shirts pretty smartly and the comments dropped off a bit. Still a skill I use fairly often, one of my favorite memories of dad

  208. @Stan Adams
    @Wilkey


    There are far more really fit people today than 20 years ago, but also far more grotesquely obese people.
     
    I was ahead of the curve 20 years ago ... I was already grotesquely obese.



    This picture was taken in 1999, two weeks before my fourteenth birthday:

    https://i.ibb.co/N6Kp3HK/1999-07-31.jpg

    When you're fat, you come to realize that taking a flattering selfie is well nigh impossible. So I focus on taking shots that capture my inner depth of character:

    https://i.ibb.co/6w82spb/fantastic-threesome.png

    Replies: @Anon, @Kylie

    “I was ahead of the curve 20 years ago … I was already grotesquely obese.”

    Nope, sorry. Obese, yes; grotesquely so, no. You don’t have that huge slab of belly hanging down and resting on your thighs and you actually have a lap.

    My late husband was 5’9″ tall and weighed 280 lbs. That was grotesque.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Kylie

    With Biden's - oops, sorry Putin's upcoming famine, we'll see who both laughs last and lasts. What's the math? 20 lbs a month or so at a couple of thousand calories a day?

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @Truth
    @Kylie

    My condolences Kylie, after all these years I didn't know you were widowed.

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @Stan Adams
    @Kylie

    I’m taller than your husband and I have a long torso, so that does tend to help somewhat.

    My condolences, as well.

    Replies: @Kylie

  209. @Joe Stalin
    @Jack D


    Sears lasted longer than most.
     
    Sears acquired K-Mart in 2005. K-Mart was founded as S. S. Kresge in 1899 and adopted the K-Mart name in 1977.

    Listen to the 1960s S. S. Kresge store background music.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe7YPfaY7OE

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Sears acquired K-Mart in 2005. K-Mart was founded as S. S. Kresge in 1899 and adopted the K-Mart name in 1977.

    First store opened:

    Kmart, 25 Jan 1962, San Leandro, California.
    Target, 1 May 1962, Roseville, Minn.
    Walmart, 2 Jul 1962, Rogers, Ark.

    Happy Sixtieth, everyone!

    Depending on where you live, one of them will seem older than the other two.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Reg Cæsar

    Khols, September 12, 1962 Brookfield, Wisconsin, U.S.

    Coincidence?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  210. Last few years I’ve noticed that all the on sale clothes are size 12 and 14 the big sizes. Size 4 and 6 there’s little left. The real joke was the bi annual Victoria Secret bra sale every January and June. Everybody went . Because bras are expensive.

    But alas, there’s few normal size bras at those sales. Mostly size 40, 42. They were on sale because few women are that size.

    H&M, Forever 21 and not teen but children’s departments are good for thin and small women.
    A child’s size 12 is a teen or adult size 4. And the children’s departments have more than the only 2 colors available in adult departments black and beige.

  211. @Reg Cæsar
    @Joe Stalin


    Sears acquired K-Mart in 2005. K-Mart was founded as S. S. Kresge in 1899 and adopted the K-Mart name in 1977.
     
    First store opened:

    Kmart, 25 Jan 1962, San Leandro, California.
    Target, 1 May 1962, Roseville, Minn.
    Walmart, 2 Jul 1962, Rogers, Ark.


    Happy Sixtieth, everyone!

    Depending on where you live, one of them will seem older than the other two.

    Replies: @Truth

    Khols, September 12, 1962 Brookfield, Wisconsin, U.S.

    Coincidence?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Truth

    "Founded in 1934 as a supermarket chain, Meijer is credited with pioneering the modern supercenter concept in 1962."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meijer


    Site of first Meijer store gets historical marker for inventing superstore model.


    Coincidence?
     
    Conspiracy? Michigan (Meijer, Kmart), Minnesota (Target), NW Arkansas (Walmart) and, if you count Kohl's, Wisconsin. All within the range of a '62 Cessna Skylark 175.

    Replies: @Truth

  212. @OilcanFloyd
    What do people in marketing and advertising study these days? I thought selling most things is about selling an image that customers aspire to, but apparently that's not the case. Companies like L.L. Bean, Orvis, and Land's End seem confused. I'm not sure if they think their average customer lives on the south side of Chicago, or if their current overwhelmingly white customers aspire to be black. Am I the one who is confused? Does wokeness for such companies affect profits?

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Pat Kittle

    Companies like L.L. Bean, Orvis, and Land’s End seem confused. I’m not sure if they think their average customer lives on the south side of Chicago, or if their current overwhelmingly white customers aspire to be black. Am I the one who is confused? Does wokeness for such companies affect profits?

    Costco’s also woke, but at least their clothes are cheap & plenty good enough.

    I don’t embarrass easily, but I’d be plenty embarrassed wearing “designer” labels (as if all clothes aren’t designed anyway).

  213. One of my supermodel stories (I’ve banged a coupla supermodels, but that’s for another day….)

    I was stuck in an elevator at the Beverly Center in West Hollywood, and lo and behold, the two people stuck in the elevator with me were Ric Ocasek and Paulina Porizkova, who were a couple.

    I was caught staring at Paulina, but she totally took it in stride and said, “Hey, it’s totally OK, everybody somehow thinks that I’m that girl that you didn’t have the nerve to ask out in high school, but I’m actually Paulina, the girl you had the poster on in your bedroom, and it’s actually me, and I’m not a jerk, and yeah, I’m actually sort of a cool girl, and we can totally be friends.”

    So that was sort of one of the best “two-minutes-love” I’ve had.

    The banging-other-supermodels things will have to wait for another day.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    "The banging-other-supermodels things will have to wait for another day."

    I guess we have to wait for you to bang them fist. :)

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  214. @Andrew M
    Weight fluctuates, and people women buy more clothes when they feel happy with their appearance. In retail terms: fat people don’t buy as many clothes.

    Take my wife. Every time she has a baby (four so far), she puts on a lot of weight. But she refuses to buy new clothes until she gets back to her pre-baby weight.

    Replies: @Anon, @ben tillman

    In retail terms: fat people don’t buy as many clothes.

    Correct.

  215. @Jack D
    @Gamecock

    See, clothing retailing has been going on for centuries.... since time immemorial.

    Ready to wear, standard sized clothing is fairly new. For men it began with military uniforms starting in the early 19th century. For men it was a relatively easy problem in that sizes were based on chest size (the system still used for men's suits) with the rest of the suit proportional (or easily altered such as pants length).

    This system didn't work for women because their chest size doesn't always correlate with the rest of their body. Aside from the sizing problem, 19th century women's fashions did not lend themselves to off the rack fitting and it was normal for women to have their clothes tailored (or make them themselves) until the 20th century.

    That being said, the retailing of ready made women's clothing and the practice of selling only "normal" sizes in a regular shop and "Plus sizes" in separate stores or depts. has been around since the beginning of the 20th century so it's not exactly new either. But it's always been confusing - there are all sorts of arcane categories such as "misses", "juniors" and "petites" none of which mean what they sound like but are mostly euphemisms for things like "short" and "flat chested".

    Replies: @Alden

    Petite means short. Petite plus means short and fat. But what the fashion industry means by short is average and normal. The average American woman is 5’4. And with Hispanic and Asian immigration we will get shorter.

    The fashion industry believes the average height 5’4 American women to be a midget not worthy of designing clothes for. 5’8 is the lowest acceptable height they design and have the Chinese manufacture for.

    Petite is for women under 5’7. That’s 3 inches taller than average. I read somewhere that only 15 percent of black and White American women are 5’8 and over. Other races are shorter. So the fashion industry designs for people 5’8 plus aka men. The old misses size dresses were for 5’8 plus. The old junior dresses were for 5’7 minus.

    Those misses and juniors aren’t around much any more. Because they were dress sizes not pants and tops. Now everybody wears pants every day for everything but proms and weddings. And too little color and way too much black and beige. A couple years ago the entire women’s Saks Fifth Avenue catalog was black and beige. Black beige gray and White are supposedly classy and elegant. They’re not. Just drab and dingy.

    Women’s clothes aren’t fashion any more. Just pants and either men’s tops or feminine color embroidered tunic tops mid thigh length baggy made with extra voluminous amounts of fabric. Or were what once called maternity tops. The specialist maternity clothes are not very profitable now days. Because there’s so many baggy voluminous tops and baggy elastic waist pants around there’s not much need for maternity clothes any more.

  216. Interesting, a thread about women’s clothes on a blog whose readers are about 99 percent men. And 70 percent White men who hate White women.

  217. @usNthem
    @Farenheit

    I see this a lot in my neck of the woods, particularly this time of year. Shorts, T-shirt, not necessarily collared, and flip flops - even in decent restaurants. Add that to the ubiquitous flubbatrons, and it’s a pretty sad sight. Class, even semi-class, has gone out the window.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    Where’s your neck of the woods?

    • Replies: @usNthem
    @Nicholas Stix

    Desert southwest.

  218. @Anonymous
    Surely, there is a direct correlation between the relentless rise of obesity in America and the decline of hard manual labor employment.

    Replies: @Alden, @AceDeuce

    No, it’s the rise of Asian and Mexican food. Rice noodles beans tortillas egg roll and mushu wraps, a few scraps of mystery meat and vegetables. Carbs and calories.

    Since the mid 19th century it’s been known that low protein high carb diets cause chubbiness and obesity. But the health food industry nutritionists LOL experts public health departments and other lying experts insist low protein high carb is a healthy diet.

    Don’t eat a 7o calorie egg and a 100 calorie slice of white toast for breakfast. The egg will cause a heart attack. Instead have a healthy 400 calorie bagel with more calories of butter or cream cheese added in. Or a 500 calorie healthy whole grain muffin.

    Gazillions of people worked in offices or light manual labor occupations and stayed thin. Millions of wealthy and upper middle class women did no manual labor at all and stayed thin.

    It’s all this high carb food. Look at a meat or cheese sandwich 2 slices of low calorie thin white bread 100 calories a slice. Then look at a sandwich 2 slices of healthy whole grain seeds bread. Many of those types of bread have 220 calories a slice. Read the labels for calorie count. Or an entire baguette for a sandwich.

    Original bagels from the old country were about 2 and 1/2 inches in diameter. Now they’re about the size of a saucer. Know why whole-wheat and whole grain tastes so much better than plain White? Lots of sugar and molasses. Read the labels. Anything ends with ose is sugar.

    When the idiot nutritionists, experts and public health dam fool idijits were bribed by Pillsbuty Mills and wheat farmers to declare eggs oil and fat fattening and dangerous, the food manufacturers substituted sugar or ose substances for fat oil and eggs.

    And by not eating oil and fat, everybody got fat.

    The experts lie about everything. From black crime to food.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Alden

    The US Governments "Food Pyramid" was a construct of the USDA not of the FDA.
    The primary concern was the health of the farmers wallets not the consumers body.

    , @John Johnson
    @Alden

    No, it’s the rise of Asian and Mexican food. Rice noodles beans tortillas egg roll and mushu wraps, a few scraps of mystery meat and vegetables. Carbs and calories.

    Oh give me a break.

    That would imply that if Americans only stuck to American fast food then they would be healthy.

    It's a combined problem. Americans are eating too many calories for a sedentary lifestyle.

    I have seen people order Sbux drinks that should be their daily calorie limit. Then they still have lunch and dinner with snacks in between.

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Alden

    Asians are skinny, though. It's more the portion sizes than carbs vs protein. It doesn't make a difference if everyone stops eating ethnic food but still enjoys large hamburgers and generous helpings of fried chicken. The only reason low-carb diets work for some people is because protein sates people who overeat for longer, leading to slightly less snacking.

    , @anon
    @Alden


    When the idiot nutritionists, experts and public health dam fool idijits were bribed by Pillsbuty Mills and wheat farmers to declare eggs oil and fat fattening and dangerous, the food manufacturers substituted sugar or ose substances for fat oil and eggs.
     
    Americans eat a greater proportion of fat than carbs in their diets now than they did 60 years ago. People eat a lot more calories now.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMA_AikWsAAKaFX?format=png
  219. @Mike Tre
    @Jack D

    I'm not going to read your lies, but for anyone interested in a very good video about the ridiculous act of male genital mutilation, here is a presentation by a jewish graduate student from Harvard that explains the myth and lies surrounding the procedure known as "circumcision" in their entirety. He is a bit theatrical.

    https://youtu.be/FCuy163srRc

    Replies: @anon

    What about aesthetics? People seem to prefer the mushroom look over the droopy anteater look.

  220. anon[295] • Disclaimer says:
    @prosa123
    Speaking of bad retail campaigns, the Softer Side of Sears campaign of the early 1990's has to be one of the most boneheaded of all time. It's a major factor why the company's nearly out of business today.

    While Sears always sold just about everything, its strength had long been in so-called hardlines: tools, automotive items, electronics, appliances, kitchenware, furniture and sporting goods, among others. Not clothing and especially not women's clothing. In the 1980's into the 1990's, however, Sears faced increasing competition. Rather than refocus their efforts on hardlines, top management decided instead to focus on women's clothing, up to then more or less a sideline, reasoning - correctly, to be sure - that it was a huge market, probably larger that all hardlines combined. And thus began the Softer Side of Sears.

    What the managers did not understand, unfortunately, is that while women's clothing is a huge market, there's also huge competition. Walk into any mall now or then and seemingly half the stores will be peddling women's clothing. What's more, Sears' rather stodgy, distinctly untrendy reputation was a disastrous fit in such a fashion-driven market.

    Sears dropped the campaign after a few years, but the damage had been done. In this 1993 commercial you can practically see the company's eventual doom.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgorb9tiC30

    Replies: @Jack D, @anon

    Probably more than anyone wants to know.

    How do you go bankrupt? Slowly at firs then suddenly.

    Sears has been failing for decades. The final bankruptcy was a painful, two decade private equity managed deal by formerly smart boy wonder Eddie Lampert. He had a number of schemes, all based on the total real estate being considered more valuable then the whole business. And then liquidating any brands that could be sold. Craftsman, DieHard. Lands End.

    The key thing, Sears post WW 2 buildout ran into discounting beginning in the 60’s. The stores were doomed, it was just a matter a massively drawn out demise.

    The most interesting factoid is that their financial brands were much more profitable than the stores when Sears tried their financial supermarket idea, accounting for 70% of profits.

    Allstate, Dean Witter, Coldwell Banker, The Discover Card. Allstate and Discover are still stand alone financial firms with market values of \$60 billion.

    They even owned a pre internet network, Prodigy which could have been AOL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prodigy_(online_service)

    I suppose there was not enough reason to keep the financial businesses together based on free office space or whatever.

    But in retrospect, they were in the business of business…or capital allocation, rather than retailing. But they thought their core competency was retail, and the rest is history.

    There is no reason for nostalgia. Sears put thousands of merchants out of business during its ascendancy. And it isn’t like there is any shortage of goods and services in the US.

    • Replies: @Prosa123
    @anon

    Thanks to its catalog business Sears had a distribution network far more advanced than any other retailer.. Had the timing been just a bit different Sears could have used it to build an e-commerce operation that would have put Amazon to shame. That was not to be.

  221. @Hodag
    There is a store out there for mostly teenage girls called Brandy Melville. They only carry size xs/s. They say that is for cost reasons but the actual function is to not have their clothes worn by fat women. It is a branding exercise.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Harry Baldwin, @Alden, @Alice in Wonderland

    Brandy Melville. All my grand daughters buy those clothes . Because those clothes actually fit 5 ft to 5’4 100 to 115 pound small boned girls.

  222. @RAZ
    @AndrewR

    And the trend is bad as Americans (also Europeans, prob Asians) are getting fatter all the time. Which we are now supposed to accept as normal. In America the least obese state (CO) is now fatter than the most obese state (MS) was only about 30 yrs ago. The Libertarian in me couldn't agree with what Mayor Bloomberg wanted to do in NYC with banning super size sugary drinks like Big Gulp but I understand the intent.

    Just checked the table. Average American woman 180 lbs? Damn. No wonder they need big new sizes.

    Replies: @Alden

    Don’t forget average height 5’4 So average height 170, no wonder the clothing people stocked up on big sizes.

    One theory about why Oprah Winfrey got so popular is that she’s fat. Women were so sick and tired of all the thin pretty woman on TV they loved watching fat ugly Oprah.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    @Alden

    This is the same reason Adele became a popular singer, not to mention Lizzo.

  223. @Mike Tre
    @AnotherDad

    "Black men at least have athleticism from higher fast-twitch muscle."

    While I certainly agree with the rest of your comment, the above is a particular pet peeve of mine because so many people who continue to promote the idea of negro athletic superiority merely point to basketball and football as the gold standard of athletic measure. It's become an absurd bit of mythology.

    Negroes do two things better than everyone else: they can run fast (the high altitude ones can also run far) and jump high. The ones who couldn't got eaten by lions seems like a fairly reasonable evolutionary consequence. These two skills are certainly valuable in football and basketball but it doesn't explain why year in and year out the best high school football teams in the country are most often stock piled with smart athletic white kids from UMC backgrounds. Everybody seems to dismiss the fact that pro football and pro basketball (and subsequently the college leagues) have, over the last 50 years, been slowly changing their rules to accommodate faster and higher jumping players, at the expense of things like field goal percentage, completion percentage, percentage of passes caught, etc. Things that white players outperform their black counterparts at. the interesting thing is it seems as though GM's and head coaches are starting to realize that maybe those things really are are least as important as speed.

    To add, outside of pro football and basketball (and sprinting) where are negroes dominating athletic contests? With the increase in Asian and Central/South American players in the MLB, the negro player representation has dwindled (to the cries of racism, of course). They are way below population representation in pro hockey, the black teams are below average in world soccer. They are nowhere to be found in swimming (arguably one of the best measures of physical ability), they show minimal success in powerlifting, Olympic lifting, or Strongman (where everyone dopes, so the playing field is still level.) They are nowhere to be found in triathlons which also seems to be a very good measure of total physicality.

    Blacks seem to be over represented in combat sports, and having long arms and being fast is certainly a valuable combination in boxing, but do they dominate combat sports because they are better fighters or because the pool of black males trying to get into elite combat sports far exceeds the pool of white males attempting to? Put another way, are the white kids that would make the best fighters choosing safer avenues to athletic glory, where as more blacks use combat sports as an attempt to escape poverty? (Conor McGregor and Tyson Fury are examples of fighters who used combat sports to escape poverty.) Seems reasonable.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “the black teams are below average in world soccer”

    But in the UK leagues at pretty much all levels black players are over-represented. The small speed difference plus IIRC earlier puberty means the over-representation will start in school – at my son’s school half the teams they played seemed to have a fast black kid or two on the wing or up front.

    It doesn’t matter how good you are at shooting or passing if you can’t win a race to the ball over five or ten yards, and that’s where they’ll have an advantage.

  224. @Alden
    @Anonymous

    No, it’s the rise of Asian and Mexican food. Rice noodles beans tortillas egg roll and mushu wraps, a few scraps of mystery meat and vegetables. Carbs and calories.

    Since the mid 19th century it’s been known that low protein high carb diets cause chubbiness and obesity. But the health food industry nutritionists LOL experts public health departments and other lying experts insist low protein high carb is a healthy diet.

    Don’t eat a 7o calorie egg and a 100 calorie slice of white toast for breakfast. The egg will cause a heart attack. Instead have a healthy 400 calorie bagel with more calories of butter or cream cheese added in. Or a 500 calorie healthy whole grain muffin.

    Gazillions of people worked in offices or light manual labor occupations and stayed thin. Millions of wealthy and upper middle class women did no manual labor at all and stayed thin.

    It’s all this high carb food. Look at a meat or cheese sandwich 2 slices of low calorie thin white bread 100 calories a slice. Then look at a sandwich 2 slices of healthy whole grain seeds bread. Many of those types of bread have 220 calories a slice. Read the labels for calorie count. Or an entire baguette for a sandwich.

    Original bagels from the old country were about 2 and 1/2 inches in diameter. Now they’re about the size of a saucer. Know why whole-wheat and whole grain tastes so much better than plain White? Lots of sugar and molasses. Read the labels. Anything ends with ose is sugar.

    When the idiot nutritionists, experts and public health dam fool idijits were bribed by Pillsbuty Mills and wheat farmers to declare eggs oil and fat fattening and dangerous, the food manufacturers substituted sugar or ose substances for fat oil and eggs.

    And by not eating oil and fat, everybody got fat.

    The experts lie about everything. From black crime to food.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @John Johnson, @S. Anonyia, @anon

    The US Governments “Food Pyramid” was a construct of the USDA not of the FDA.
    The primary concern was the health of the farmers wallets not the consumers body.

    • Agree: Another Canadian
  225. @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    "I was ahead of the curve 20 years ago … I was already grotesquely obese."

    Nope, sorry. Obese, yes; grotesquely so, no. You don't have that huge slab of belly hanging down and resting on your thighs and you actually have a lap.

    My late husband was 5'9" tall and weighed 280 lbs. That was grotesque.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Truth, @Stan Adams

    With Biden’s – oops, sorry Putin’s upcoming famine, we’ll see who both laughs last and lasts. What’s the math? 20 lbs a month or so at a couple of thousand calories a day?

    • Agree: Jim Bob Lassiter
    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Bill Jones

    "With Biden’s – oops, sorry Putin’s upcoming famine, we’ll see who both laughs last and lasts. What’s the math? 20 lbs a month or so at a couple of thousand calories a day?"

    In my case, it's me. (5'7" tall, 135 lbs, BMI 21.1 vs my late husband's 5'9" tall, 280 lbs, BMI 41). I was older with chronic health problems and I still managed to outlive my bigger half by years.

  226. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Bill Jones

    You forgot the Camel Toe (Steve's new revised rules of capitalization) as something that stood out.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    I did mean to include a line about the astonishing absence of any sense of modesty.

  227. OT – airheaded Guardianista has baby, discovers that “all is changed, utterly”. I have hope for her!

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/25/birth-son-mother-change

    And so the boy is here (bairn is not a word I ever used before, but for some reason I cannot stop, as though my northern ancestors have risen up in me, conjured by all the drama). I am still adjusting to the fact that he is no longer inside me, that I thought I had five more weeks of kicks and punches, how I never got to see the reverse imprint of his hand on my skin. Anxieties about Covid notwithstanding, I loved being pregnant with him, and we’ve been catapulted into the fourth trimester without quite being done with the third. He is here and hardly anything is ready, and, despite needing some help from some magnificent doctors, he is all right, and my life is transformed.

    How to articulate the transfiguration from not-mother to mother? I am the same person, and yet everything I wrote before feels naive and misinformed. It is as though I have been made party to some great secret. As though, when I stepped out of that taxi and into the old, looming Victorian building, with its ghost sign saying “women’s receiving ward”, just as my own mother and thousands of other women had before me, I was initiated.

    At the same time, he is everything, just as I am to him.

    She’s gaining access to the secret heart of life and the long chain of familial links down the generations.

  228. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    One of my supermodel stories (I've banged a coupla supermodels, but that's for another day....)

    I was stuck in an elevator at the Beverly Center in West Hollywood, and lo and behold, the two people stuck in the elevator with me were Ric Ocasek and Paulina Porizkova, who were a couple.

    I was caught staring at Paulina, but she totally took it in stride and said, "Hey, it's totally OK, everybody somehow thinks that I'm that girl that you didn't have the nerve to ask out in high school, but I'm actually Paulina, the girl you had the poster on in your bedroom, and it's actually me, and I'm not a jerk, and yeah, I'm actually sort of a cool girl, and we can totally be friends."

    So that was sort of one of the best "two-minutes-love" I've had.

    The banging-other-supermodels things will have to wait for another day.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    “The banging-other-supermodels things will have to wait for another day.”

    I guess we have to wait for you to bang them fist. 🙂

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Mike Tre

    Oh, stop. What is this, Letters to Penthouse?

    And try spelling "first" correctly, Great Sarcasmo.

    Or maybe you really did mean, "fist". Who can tell?

  229. @Ann K.
    @notsaying

    Items in sold-out sizes are unavailable online just as in brick and mortar stores.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Inventory management processes are far easier (except for the shear physical bulk aspect and security risks inherent in a single centralized location) at one (or a few) national fulfillment centers vs. say 1,500 stores scattered across the country. Plus (no pun intended) you don’t have all these sweat hog Cheeto and chitlin’ fingered mamas touching smaller size clothes (and letting their WIC babies use for a snotty nose wipe) that you might want to buy off of a brick and mortar clothes rack.

  230. @anon
    @prosa123

    Probably more than anyone wants to know.

    How do you go bankrupt? Slowly at firs then suddenly.

    Sears has been failing for decades. The final bankruptcy was a painful, two decade private equity managed deal by formerly smart boy wonder Eddie Lampert. He had a number of schemes, all based on the total real estate being considered more valuable then the whole business. And then liquidating any brands that could be sold. Craftsman, DieHard. Lands End.

    The key thing, Sears post WW 2 buildout ran into discounting beginning in the 60's. The stores were doomed, it was just a matter a massively drawn out demise.

    The most interesting factoid is that their financial brands were much more profitable than the stores when Sears tried their financial supermarket idea, accounting for 70% of profits.

    Allstate, Dean Witter, Coldwell Banker, The Discover Card. Allstate and Discover are still stand alone financial firms with market values of $60 billion.

    They even owned a pre internet network, Prodigy which could have been AOL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prodigy_(online_service)

    I suppose there was not enough reason to keep the financial businesses together based on free office space or whatever.

    But in retrospect, they were in the business of business...or capital allocation, rather than retailing. But they thought their core competency was retail, and the rest is history.

    There is no reason for nostalgia. Sears put thousands of merchants out of business during its ascendancy. And it isn't like there is any shortage of goods and services in the US.

    Replies: @Prosa123

    Thanks to its catalog business Sears had a distribution network far more advanced than any other retailer.. Had the timing been just a bit different Sears could have used it to build an e-commerce operation that would have put Amazon to shame. That was not to be.

  231. @Elmer T. Jones
    @AndrewR

    my viet wife rocks teen panties but won't wear black bras as it makes me difficult to manage. Somewhat related, I have failed to convince her family which owns a women's shoe factory in saigon that the time is ripe for producing a sensible ladies shoe in men's size 13.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Bruh

  232. @Anonymous
    Surely, there is a direct correlation between the relentless rise of obesity in America and the decline of hard manual labor employment.

    Replies: @Alden, @AceDeuce

    Surely, there is a direct correlation between the relentless rise of obesity in America and the decline of hard manual labor employment.

    So why not in Europe?

    Or Japan? Or South Korea?

  233. @Nicholas Stix
    @usNthem

    Where's your neck of the woods?

    Replies: @usNthem

    Desert southwest.

  234. @Joe Stalin
    @John Johnson


    The American love affair with juice needs to end. A large glass of OJ with breakfast is not healthy.
     
    Hey, Advertising!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCLuP0ky68I

    Replies: @dearieme, @Jonathan Mason

    When I was growing up in England we didn’t have much orange juice. My mother would take me to the health clinic and we would pick up bottles of cod liver oil and concentrate of orange juice, which were mixed on a spoon and swallowed to sweeten the unpleasant flavor of the cod liver oil.

    As I was growing up orange juice was still not a very popular item, but restaurants and hotels often served a small glass of canned orange juice with breakfast. It was rather bitter tasting.

    When I lived in Florida, I had two grapefruit trees, so did not buy much orange juice, but when I did get it it was delicious if it was early season juice that was slightly tangy, and the oranges were refrigerated overnight and freshly squeezed for breakfast. Likes the champagne of fruit juices.

    Here in Ecuador orange juice machines are a fixture in shopping malls. You insert a dollar, and then 3 oranges roll off the rack, a sliced in half, squeezed, and then a paper cup full of orange juice is dispensed. The oranges are often slightly green and the juice is not too sweet.

    Or you can just go to the market and buy 24 oranges for \$1 and squeeze them yourself.

    Orange juice is good for a source of vitamin C, and would have been very useful for Columbus’s crew, but the trouble is that it contains a lot of sugar.

    In fact when diabetics who take insulin or other oral medications have a blood sugar that is too low in the morning, the normal practice is to give them a glass of orange juice to rapidly elevate their blood sugar.

    • Thanks: Another Canadian
  235. @mc23
    @Mike Tre

    Idiocracy instead of shooting for 36-28-36 just go with a BMI of 35.

    Replies: @LP5

    mc23 writes:

    Idiocracy instead of shooting for 36-28-36 just go with a BMI of 35.

    The 60s ideal was 36-22-36.

    That morphed into rolling in flour to find a wet spot. What a sad decline.

  236. @Dan Smith
    Back in my marathon running days when I was 130 pounds on a 5-6 frame I always had trouble finding suits and sport coats. I started using a store for small men called Arlen’s (I think was the name.) There had to be 12 stores for big and tall men for each Arlen’s. Finally it went out of business but not before I got a great collection of clothes, mainly with European labels. I’m personally disgusted by all the fat chicks in clothing ads now. They aren’t bad people per se, but what ever happened to self control?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I started using a store for small men called Arlen’s (I think was the name.) There had to be 12 stores for big and tall men for each Arlen’s.

    Here’s a place “specializing in men suit extra short“. Though you sound extra thin, not extra short, at 5’6”.

  237. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    WSJ :

    [Old Navy] did away with separate petite and plus-size departments and grouped all sizes of each style together.
     
    Old Navy should go back to segregated size departments, but make it fun with weight class divisions like Dinghy, Frigate, and Dreadnought.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @VivaLaMigra

    I don’t know if that “frigate” classification will go over big. “Frig It,” maybe? As for the largest size, why stop with HMS Dreadnought, which displaced a mere 20,000 tons or so? Why not go with USS Iowa[50,000+ ton full load] or perhaps IJN Yamato [70,000+ tons]?

  238. @Ralph L
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    My fridge died Friday, so I've been looking at new ones on line and at Lowes/Home Depot. Several brands advertise their water filters reduce certain pharmaceutical levels up to 98%! One even listed a few, including ibuprofen. They didn't list estrogen, however.

    Has anyone had a long lasting Samsung? My GE lasted 14 years, but the uninsulated ice chute door caused condensation puddles and black crud on the ice.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jack D

    My fridge died Friday, so I’ve been looking at new ones on line and at Lowes/Home Depot. Several brands advertise their water filters reduce certain pharmaceutical levels up to 98%! One even listed a few, including ibuprofen. They didn’t list estrogen, however.

    How would you be getting estrogen in the water? Very few areas of the US actually recycle wastewater into tap water.

  239. @Alden
    @Anonymous

    No, it’s the rise of Asian and Mexican food. Rice noodles beans tortillas egg roll and mushu wraps, a few scraps of mystery meat and vegetables. Carbs and calories.

    Since the mid 19th century it’s been known that low protein high carb diets cause chubbiness and obesity. But the health food industry nutritionists LOL experts public health departments and other lying experts insist low protein high carb is a healthy diet.

    Don’t eat a 7o calorie egg and a 100 calorie slice of white toast for breakfast. The egg will cause a heart attack. Instead have a healthy 400 calorie bagel with more calories of butter or cream cheese added in. Or a 500 calorie healthy whole grain muffin.

    Gazillions of people worked in offices or light manual labor occupations and stayed thin. Millions of wealthy and upper middle class women did no manual labor at all and stayed thin.

    It’s all this high carb food. Look at a meat or cheese sandwich 2 slices of low calorie thin white bread 100 calories a slice. Then look at a sandwich 2 slices of healthy whole grain seeds bread. Many of those types of bread have 220 calories a slice. Read the labels for calorie count. Or an entire baguette for a sandwich.

    Original bagels from the old country were about 2 and 1/2 inches in diameter. Now they’re about the size of a saucer. Know why whole-wheat and whole grain tastes so much better than plain White? Lots of sugar and molasses. Read the labels. Anything ends with ose is sugar.

    When the idiot nutritionists, experts and public health dam fool idijits were bribed by Pillsbuty Mills and wheat farmers to declare eggs oil and fat fattening and dangerous, the food manufacturers substituted sugar or ose substances for fat oil and eggs.

    And by not eating oil and fat, everybody got fat.

    The experts lie about everything. From black crime to food.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @John Johnson, @S. Anonyia, @anon

    No, it’s the rise of Asian and Mexican food. Rice noodles beans tortillas egg roll and mushu wraps, a few scraps of mystery meat and vegetables. Carbs and calories.

    Oh give me a break.

    That would imply that if Americans only stuck to American fast food then they would be healthy.

    It’s a combined problem. Americans are eating too many calories for a sedentary lifestyle.

    I have seen people order Sbux drinks that should be their daily calorie limit. Then they still have lunch and dinner with snacks in between.

  240. @Muggles
    @prosa123

    Here's a billion dollar idea I'm giving away here.

    I'm too old to spend the time to get it done, but it will happen.

    a) Develop or augment body scanning tech and place low cost scanning booths (or even free) in malls or in large retail clothing spaces.

    b) With body suits on, scan people for their current sizes.

    c) Develop templates for clothing pieces and styles that "fit" scanned templates. You will have to vary and adjust for women's clothes (especially) since some are best fit loose or tight, depending. Quite a bit of tech to get right.

    d) Patent all of that.

    e) Start online marketeer of clothing that correlates to your "scanned" measurements. Those you will get at the booths or sent online. When you select clothes from the online shops (and later, stores) you can use your data set to view a three D avatar showing how the new clothes, styles, etc. actually look and fit. Fit on you. Styles and colors vary. Women (and some men) will spend hours at work shopping again (maybe sell ads also with that).

    f) Get offshore clothing manufacturers to make clothes as per scanned measurements. A wide variety. They can even be made "bespoke" via computer aided machinery that cuts, sews, etc. for each scanned component.

    g) As you age or gain/lose weight, new scanned data is used for your clothing purchases.

    h) All of the scanned measurements are coded and thus, "confidential'. No more XXXX sizes on the tags. Embarrassment free shopping.

    All of these things can be done with current tech. Will take some heavy duty programming.

    "Never Buy Clothes Again That Don't Fit!"

    Since these measures are digital and universal, "size" variations under the old "numbering" systems that can vary by country, manufacturer, retailer, will never be a problem again.

    Why isn't this being done now?

    (When you get that IPO off the ground, have iSteve send me an email so I can get in on a "gratitude" slice...)

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Brutusale

    Robert Heinlein beat you to it by about 80 years in his novel Methuselah’s Children. William Gibson took the idea a step further in Mona Lisa Overdrive, where the scanning program had a sub-routine that made the customer look more attractive in the video output.

  241. @Mike Tre
    @Jack D

    Male genital mutilation has an ancient barbaric practice passed down by ((your people)) that has absolutely no positive medical benefit and plenty of negative ones. This is idea that it "decreases the risk of infections" or whatever bullshit you people use to justify its continued practice is literally insane. The practice is up there with Africans slaughtering albino negroes and raping the corpses in order to ward off evil spirits or whatever they do.

    Asians and anyone else who have had the benefit of not being influenced by Jewish cult ritual disguised as medicine have suffered absolutely zero ill effects from the absence of male genital mutilation throughout their entire history. It didn't exist in the US until the early 1900's, when Jewish doctors connived the medical field into promoting the practice through god knows what illicit means.


    It's not surprising that you defend the practice, and lie about its benefits. There are none, other than it was good for the jews as they could hide among gentiles easier.

    Replies: @Jack D, @John Johnson

    Male genital mutilation has an ancient barbaric practice passed down by ((your people)) that has absolutely no positive medical benefit and plenty of negative ones.

    My circumcision is handed down from the Egyptians.

    Certainly not a mutilation as the cut is well done and complimentary.

    An homage to Ramses.

    • LOL: Mike Tre
  242. @Bill Jones
    @Kylie

    With Biden's - oops, sorry Putin's upcoming famine, we'll see who both laughs last and lasts. What's the math? 20 lbs a month or so at a couple of thousand calories a day?

    Replies: @Kylie

    “With Biden’s – oops, sorry Putin’s upcoming famine, we’ll see who both laughs last and lasts. What’s the math? 20 lbs a month or so at a couple of thousand calories a day?”

    In my case, it’s me. (5’7″ tall, 135 lbs, BMI 21.1 vs my late husband’s 5’9″ tall, 280 lbs, BMI 41). I was older with chronic health problems and I still managed to outlive my bigger half by years.

  243. @James Speaks
    @Stan Adams

    Weight loss Fat loss is counter-intuitive. Get your fill of lean meet and legumes, even if you go over your "calorie budget." Your metabolism will adapt. However, deprive your body of calories, and you will lose muscle mass and gain fat.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    So you are saying that meat and legumes contain calories that are not digested by the body, but that calorie reduction converts muscle into fat?

    So in fact, when it comes to human weight loss, the laws of physics are not applicable?

    Calorie reduction seems to work for dogs.

    It seems to me that to lose weight you need to lose both fat and muscle, and ultimately bone weight, because if you are substantially overweight, you will develop more leg muscles to carry that weight, and thicker bones to carry that weight.

    Of course weight reduction diets have to be balanced, because the biggest danger would be losing heart muscle, or subjecting yourself to chemical changes in electrolytes that reduce the efficiency of the heartbeat or brain function.

    My Peruvian cleaning lady told me today that the brain requires 125 grams of sugar per day to function correctly. She is usually right.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    Well she is 1/2 right. Our body's metabolism basically runs on glucose as fuel (and the brain is a major fuel burner in humans so 125g/day of glucose - a little over half a cup - is about right). However you don't have to consume glucose directly - your digestive system has the ability (and it may be preferable) for it to break down more complex carbohydrates such as starches and make its own glucose out of them.

    , @James Speaks
    @Jonathan Mason


    So you are saying that meat and legumes contain calories that are not digested by the body, but that calorie reduction converts muscle into fat?
     
    I said no such thing. Is it a habit of yours to deliberately misunderstand?

    I did say to get your fill with lean meat and legumes, both of which provide calories for energy and protein for muscle growth. The goal is not to lose weight, per se, but to lose fat and be less voluminous, and muscle growth supports both goals.
  244. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jonathan Mason

    That "we know you have a choice when flying" bit has been pretty outdated since 6 big airlines combined into 3 in this country. Often, no, there's no choice. I think if they say it now, it's out of habit.

    You are still a few years behind, as those seat back magazines haven't been around for a few years. They were going away before the Kung Flu PanicFest, and then that was used to ditch them. People have so much entertainment, between the seat back system and their own devices, that nobody was picking them up anymore.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    You are still a few years behind, as those seat back magazines haven’t been around for a few years.

    That must be a real blow to the marriage bureau and fancy watch industries.

    I have not been on a plane for a couple of years, but will be flying tomorrow. No doubt it will be a new experience. I will have to do without gourmet cuisine for a few hours, but I will miss the marriage bureau ads.

    There was one I particularly enjoyed which showed an ancient hag suffering from multiple plastic surgery injuries posing in a hotel lobby with some fancy marble decor. I shall miss the old girl. Perhaps she found a husband.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    It's funny what people remember. I don't remember those marriage bureau ads at all. And the watch ads I remember were not for legitimate fancy watches but for phony Chinese made brands meant to APPEAR Swiss like Stauer. Although the fancy watch business is the biggest ripoff going next to "cryptocurrency".

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  245. @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    "I was ahead of the curve 20 years ago … I was already grotesquely obese."

    Nope, sorry. Obese, yes; grotesquely so, no. You don't have that huge slab of belly hanging down and resting on your thighs and you actually have a lap.

    My late husband was 5'9" tall and weighed 280 lbs. That was grotesque.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Truth, @Stan Adams

    My condolences Kylie, after all these years I didn’t know you were widowed.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Truth

    Thank you, Truth. I appreciate that.

  246. @Jonathan Mason
    @Achmed E. Newman


    You are still a few years behind, as those seat back magazines haven’t been around for a few years.
     
    That must be a real blow to the marriage bureau and fancy watch industries.

    I have not been on a plane for a couple of years, but will be flying tomorrow. No doubt it will be a new experience. I will have to do without gourmet cuisine for a few hours, but I will miss the marriage bureau ads.

    There was one I particularly enjoyed which showed an ancient hag suffering from multiple plastic surgery injuries posing in a hotel lobby with some fancy marble decor. I shall miss the old girl. Perhaps she found a husband.

    Replies: @Jack D

    It’s funny what people remember. I don’t remember those marriage bureau ads at all. And the watch ads I remember were not for legitimate fancy watches but for phony Chinese made brands meant to APPEAR Swiss like Stauer. Although the fancy watch business is the biggest ripoff going next to “cryptocurrency”.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D


    Although the fancy watch business is the biggest ripoff going next to “cryptocurrency”.
     
    Surely not!

    I was offered a gold Rolex watch for $12 yesterday, but I managed to bargain it down to $10--exactly the same price as a Fossil watch, so obviously a great deal.

    I remember the marriage bureau ads, because they were so strange. I always enjoyed looking at them on my next trip to see how they had tweaked the wording, or for how certain regional managers for It's Just Lunch had disappeared and been replaced. They were all women, so I imagine they had already found their husbands, and just had this little franchise job on the side that they soon became disillusioned with.

    I am guessing that the business was really about selling franchises rather than helping people who had money to spare, but were way too busy to find a spouse.
  247. @Jonathan Mason
    @James Speaks

    So you are saying that meat and legumes contain calories that are not digested by the body, but that calorie reduction converts muscle into fat?

    So in fact, when it comes to human weight loss, the laws of physics are not applicable?

    Calorie reduction seems to work for dogs.

    It seems to me that to lose weight you need to lose both fat and muscle, and ultimately bone weight, because if you are substantially overweight, you will develop more leg muscles to carry that weight, and thicker bones to carry that weight.

    Of course weight reduction diets have to be balanced, because the biggest danger would be losing heart muscle, or subjecting yourself to chemical changes in electrolytes that reduce the efficiency of the heartbeat or brain function.

    My Peruvian cleaning lady told me today that the brain requires 125 grams of sugar per day to function correctly. She is usually right.

    Replies: @Jack D, @James Speaks

    Well she is 1/2 right. Our body’s metabolism basically runs on glucose as fuel (and the brain is a major fuel burner in humans so 125g/day of glucose – a little over half a cup – is about right). However you don’t have to consume glucose directly – your digestive system has the ability (and it may be preferable) for it to break down more complex carbohydrates such as starches and make its own glucose out of them.

  248. Speaking of apparel advertising, especially as it relates to athletics, I don’t get what companies are doing. I guess part of being “woke” is promoting transgenders and fat women, maybe to disgust men? But how does that increase sales?

    Under Armour has an ad promoting girl football players. Why do that, instead of marketing to the far more numerous female athletes in actual girls’ sports? Adidas has an ad with a fat black woman and a tranny in it. Now I have to boycott Adidas along with Nike. Again, why? Who are they marketing to?

    Gatorade also has a fat black woman in its latest ad. Again, why? You’re repulsing me, your customer.

    There is a yawning chasm for an athletic apparel company interested in attractive, normal athletes.

    • Replies: @MichiganMom
    @Jack P

    I think that’s Lululemon.

    Replies: @AnonAnon

  249. >In addition to these, the brand will be doing away with the term “plus-size” in-stores altogether, stocking all women’s apparel as one rather than separates.

    Speaking as a plus-sized man, that’s the absolutely last thing I want a store to do; it means I’ll have to browse the entire store looking for the one or two items that I could wear. It’ll easily triple my shopping time-cost.

  250. @Jonathan Mason
    @James Speaks

    So you are saying that meat and legumes contain calories that are not digested by the body, but that calorie reduction converts muscle into fat?

    So in fact, when it comes to human weight loss, the laws of physics are not applicable?

    Calorie reduction seems to work for dogs.

    It seems to me that to lose weight you need to lose both fat and muscle, and ultimately bone weight, because if you are substantially overweight, you will develop more leg muscles to carry that weight, and thicker bones to carry that weight.

    Of course weight reduction diets have to be balanced, because the biggest danger would be losing heart muscle, or subjecting yourself to chemical changes in electrolytes that reduce the efficiency of the heartbeat or brain function.

    My Peruvian cleaning lady told me today that the brain requires 125 grams of sugar per day to function correctly. She is usually right.

    Replies: @Jack D, @James Speaks

    So you are saying that meat and legumes contain calories that are not digested by the body, but that calorie reduction converts muscle into fat?

    I said no such thing. Is it a habit of yours to deliberately misunderstand?

    I did say to get your fill with lean meat and legumes, both of which provide calories for energy and protein for muscle growth. The goal is not to lose weight, per se, but to lose fat and be less voluminous, and muscle growth supports both goals.

  251. @Alden
    @Anonymous

    No, it’s the rise of Asian and Mexican food. Rice noodles beans tortillas egg roll and mushu wraps, a few scraps of mystery meat and vegetables. Carbs and calories.

    Since the mid 19th century it’s been known that low protein high carb diets cause chubbiness and obesity. But the health food industry nutritionists LOL experts public health departments and other lying experts insist low protein high carb is a healthy diet.

    Don’t eat a 7o calorie egg and a 100 calorie slice of white toast for breakfast. The egg will cause a heart attack. Instead have a healthy 400 calorie bagel with more calories of butter or cream cheese added in. Or a 500 calorie healthy whole grain muffin.

    Gazillions of people worked in offices or light manual labor occupations and stayed thin. Millions of wealthy and upper middle class women did no manual labor at all and stayed thin.

    It’s all this high carb food. Look at a meat or cheese sandwich 2 slices of low calorie thin white bread 100 calories a slice. Then look at a sandwich 2 slices of healthy whole grain seeds bread. Many of those types of bread have 220 calories a slice. Read the labels for calorie count. Or an entire baguette for a sandwich.

    Original bagels from the old country were about 2 and 1/2 inches in diameter. Now they’re about the size of a saucer. Know why whole-wheat and whole grain tastes so much better than plain White? Lots of sugar and molasses. Read the labels. Anything ends with ose is sugar.

    When the idiot nutritionists, experts and public health dam fool idijits were bribed by Pillsbuty Mills and wheat farmers to declare eggs oil and fat fattening and dangerous, the food manufacturers substituted sugar or ose substances for fat oil and eggs.

    And by not eating oil and fat, everybody got fat.

    The experts lie about everything. From black crime to food.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @John Johnson, @S. Anonyia, @anon

    Asians are skinny, though. It’s more the portion sizes than carbs vs protein. It doesn’t make a difference if everyone stops eating ethnic food but still enjoys large hamburgers and generous helpings of fried chicken. The only reason low-carb diets work for some people is because protein sates people who overeat for longer, leading to slightly less snacking.

  252. anon[404] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    @Anonymous

    No, it’s the rise of Asian and Mexican food. Rice noodles beans tortillas egg roll and mushu wraps, a few scraps of mystery meat and vegetables. Carbs and calories.

    Since the mid 19th century it’s been known that low protein high carb diets cause chubbiness and obesity. But the health food industry nutritionists LOL experts public health departments and other lying experts insist low protein high carb is a healthy diet.

    Don’t eat a 7o calorie egg and a 100 calorie slice of white toast for breakfast. The egg will cause a heart attack. Instead have a healthy 400 calorie bagel with more calories of butter or cream cheese added in. Or a 500 calorie healthy whole grain muffin.

    Gazillions of people worked in offices or light manual labor occupations and stayed thin. Millions of wealthy and upper middle class women did no manual labor at all and stayed thin.

    It’s all this high carb food. Look at a meat or cheese sandwich 2 slices of low calorie thin white bread 100 calories a slice. Then look at a sandwich 2 slices of healthy whole grain seeds bread. Many of those types of bread have 220 calories a slice. Read the labels for calorie count. Or an entire baguette for a sandwich.

    Original bagels from the old country were about 2 and 1/2 inches in diameter. Now they’re about the size of a saucer. Know why whole-wheat and whole grain tastes so much better than plain White? Lots of sugar and molasses. Read the labels. Anything ends with ose is sugar.

    When the idiot nutritionists, experts and public health dam fool idijits were bribed by Pillsbuty Mills and wheat farmers to declare eggs oil and fat fattening and dangerous, the food manufacturers substituted sugar or ose substances for fat oil and eggs.

    And by not eating oil and fat, everybody got fat.

    The experts lie about everything. From black crime to food.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @John Johnson, @S. Anonyia, @anon

    When the idiot nutritionists, experts and public health dam fool idijits were bribed by Pillsbuty Mills and wheat farmers to declare eggs oil and fat fattening and dangerous, the food manufacturers substituted sugar or ose substances for fat oil and eggs.

    Americans eat a greater proportion of fat than carbs in their diets now than they did 60 years ago. People eat a lot more calories now.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMA_AikWsAAKaFX?format=png

  253. @Anon
    OT

    Is there a Sailer's Law of the Great Wreakening?

    https://abc7ny.com/new-hyde-park-fatal-crash-3-people-killed-long-island/11881382/
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/22/3-women-killed-by-alleged-drunk-driver-after-sweet-16-party-in-li/

    In a nutshell: 22-year-old "Dante Lennon" (perhaps a Liverpool native?) in a Mercedes (driving drunk) rammed a Lincoln Town Car full of a half dozen sweet 16 party attendees and kills 50 percent of them.

    Do black wreakeners typically kill more or less than half of those they hit with their cars? How about whites? Is there a difference between drunks and non-drunks? Is there a handgun/long gun analogy distinction in car models? Driver killed vs. not? More research is needed.

    Replies: @prosa123

    IIs there a Sailer’s Law of the Great Wreakening?
    In a nutshell: 22-year-old “Dante Lennon” (perhaps a Liverpool native?) in a Mercedes (driving drunk) rammed a Lincoln Town Car full of a half dozen sweet 16 party attendees and kills 50 percent of them.

    All three dead women were Asian. They were relatives of the girl having the party; two were in their 60’s and one in their 40’s.

    It pains me to say this, but the crash may not have been entirely Dante’s fault. He was just barely over the legal limit, and more to the point the driver of the hired Town Car was attempting to make a left turn onto Jericho Turnpike. That’s a busy, high speed road that even at 11pm carries a lot of traffic; I would be very hesitant to attempt a left turn except at a light, which this wasn’t.

    I’m reminded of a crash on eastern Long Island a few years ago when a pickup truck slammed into the side of a stretch limo and four young women on a winery-hopping tour died. The pickup driver might have been over the legal limit, it’s hard to be sure because there may have been a police coverup, but what was clear is that the limo driver was making an illegal U-turn on a high speed road and the pickup driver may not have had time to stop.

  254. @anon
    The Gap used to be an iconic business success. What happened? Brand extension and the demise of the mall.
    The Gap had brilliant advertising.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knW1hGwmEXQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBjtSEZNkkE&t=4s

    And the odd celebrity in a tee shirt:

    https://www.mocp.org/exhibitions/1990/4/gap--individuals-of-style.php

    Now they can't even get inventory right. It used to be a thing. Stock down 70% from $35 to $10.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The Gap used to be an iconic business success. What happened? Brand extension and the demise of the mall.
    The Gap had brilliant advertising.

    People started going to old navy under the belief that they had the same quality clothes.

    They really didn’t.

    I had too many old navy shirts and pants shrink weird in the wash.

    Not even close to Gap or Banana Republic quality.

    Going to BR was a nice experience. They always had plenty of staff to help you find the perfect pair of pants. You could take an hour and they wouldn’t care.

    Anytime a company tries to “go woke” it means they are in trouble and having an identity crisis. Same thing happened to Victoria’s secret.

  255. @Truth
    @Kylie

    My condolences Kylie, after all these years I didn't know you were widowed.

    Replies: @Kylie

    Thank you, Truth. I appreciate that.

  256. @Truth
    @Reg Cæsar

    Khols, September 12, 1962 Brookfield, Wisconsin, U.S.

    Coincidence?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    “Founded in 1934 as a supermarket chain, Meijer is credited with pioneering the modern supercenter concept in 1962.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meijer

    Site of first Meijer store gets historical marker for inventing superstore model.

    Coincidence?

    Conspiracy? Michigan (Meijer, Kmart), Minnesota (Target), NW Arkansas (Walmart) and, if you count Kohl’s, Wisconsin. All within the range of a ’62 Cessna Skylark 175.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, '62 was the cornerstone of the plan to destroy small business in America.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  257. @John Johnson
    @Colin Wright

    I rented a cabin with some friends in the winter.

    Just getting the fire going every day gets you some exercise. It also had an older kitchen so making a dinner took twice as long.

    All kinds of physical work has not only been replaced with machines but also illegals.

    I complain about doing yard work but most the White guys in my area pay Mexicans to do it. Mostly Trump voters. I would be embarrassed to pay Mexicans while I watch TV.

    In certain parts of the country it is the norm for White women to plan parties or gossip while immigrants do the cleaning and laundry.

    Really obese people tend to have awful diets and sedentary hobbies. They work a job in a chair and then come home to watch TV.

    I really don't get it. I've worked a desk job full time and the last thing I wanted to do in the evening was sit on the couch. It really starts to beat up your back actually if you never exercise. People aren't designed to sit 12 hours a day.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘…It really starts to beat up your back actually if you never exercise. People aren’t designed to sit 12 hours a day.’

    It’ll beat up your back anyway. I ran a moving company for just shy of twenty years — and guess what? My back’s a wreck.

    Basically, I was built to be killed by the same heart attack that wasted my father and his father in their mid-fifties.

    Thanks to modern medicine, I survived it — so guess what? Other things start breaking down.

    We weren’t designed to live as long as we do. Sucks — but you gotta consider the alternative.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Colin Wright


    It really starts to beat up your back actually if you never exercise. People aren’t designed to sit 12 hours a day.
     
    It’ll beat up your back anyway. I ran a moving company for just shy of twenty years — and guess what? My back’s a wreck.

    I don't think people are made to do that either.

    The ideal is a mix of physical/sedentary.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  258. As a man who wears an Xtra Medium, I’m hoping for a clearance sale.

  259. @Reg Cæsar
    @Truth

    "Founded in 1934 as a supermarket chain, Meijer is credited with pioneering the modern supercenter concept in 1962."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meijer


    Site of first Meijer store gets historical marker for inventing superstore model.


    Coincidence?
     
    Conspiracy? Michigan (Meijer, Kmart), Minnesota (Target), NW Arkansas (Walmart) and, if you count Kohl's, Wisconsin. All within the range of a '62 Cessna Skylark 175.

    Replies: @Truth

    Yes, ’62 was the cornerstone of the plan to destroy small business in America.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Truth


    Yes, ’62 was the cornerstone of the plan to destroy small business in America.
     
    And Covid-19 was the ribbon-cutting!
  260. @Ralph L
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    My fridge died Friday, so I've been looking at new ones on line and at Lowes/Home Depot. Several brands advertise their water filters reduce certain pharmaceutical levels up to 98%! One even listed a few, including ibuprofen. They didn't list estrogen, however.

    Has anyone had a long lasting Samsung? My GE lasted 14 years, but the uninsulated ice chute door caused condensation puddles and black crud on the ice.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jack D

    Don’t bother with the internal filters – they are tiny and overpriced. Get an in-line filter instead (this is placed in the 1/4″ water line that leads to your fridge). If you are lucky there is access to this line in the basement of your house – otherwise you will have roll the fridge out (maybe 1x/yer) to change the filter. You should do this anyway to vacuum the dust which will accumulate on the coils and affect the efficiency of the fridge. A good carbon filter will absorb all organic chemicals including hormones. The NSF certifies filters in various categories – lead, chlorine, organics, etc. They list estrone as an “emerging contaminant” meaning that the marketing claims are just catching on:

    https://info.nsf.org/certified/dwtu/

    I wouldn’t put too much stock in those claims. In the end, these filters are just cans of activated charcoal and the charcoal will absorb pretty much anything until it hits its capacity.

    Ice makers and ice and water dispensers are common sources of problems w/ fridges so if you skip them you can have a fridge that lasts many decades. I like my LG fridge but the in door dispenser is kind of a dumb design because they have to duct cold air from the freezer below up to the ice compartment that is in the door. For some reason french door/bottom freezer is fashionable though side by side is cheaper and makes more sense.

    • Thanks: AceDeuce
  261. @Jack P
    Speaking of apparel advertising, especially as it relates to athletics, I don't get what companies are doing. I guess part of being "woke" is promoting transgenders and fat women, maybe to disgust men? But how does that increase sales?

    Under Armour has an ad promoting girl football players. Why do that, instead of marketing to the far more numerous female athletes in actual girls' sports? Adidas has an ad with a fat black woman and a tranny in it. Now I have to boycott Adidas along with Nike. Again, why? Who are they marketing to?

    Gatorade also has a fat black woman in its latest ad. Again, why? You're repulsing me, your customer.

    There is a yawning chasm for an athletic apparel company interested in attractive, normal athletes.

    Replies: @MichiganMom

    I think that’s Lululemon.

    • Replies: @AnonAnon
    @MichiganMom

    Think again. You haven’t been on the lululemon website in awhile. It’s full of chubby women, super dark, fresh off the Somalian resettlement flight black women, shaved head freaks, women with artificial legs, a couple of trans [insert retching noises here] “women”, hardly anybody objectively attractive, and very few white women. The same can be said for the men’s side - unattractive and very diverse. The women’s clothing is much boxier and androgynous than in years past. Between the models and the lackluster design - they’ve hired a lot of ex-Nike people- I’m not sure why their sales haven’t suffered.

  262. @The Alarmist
    I have a couple Old Navy fleece shirts I bought in 1999, and I wear them constantly during the winter months. They are indestructible. I haven’t needed to replace them.

    I guess ON teaches itself hard lessons from time to time.

    Replies: @peterike, @bomag, @Adam Smith

    Good evening, Mr. Alarmist,

    I have an old Columbia fleece jacket that I got second hand and have been wearing for 10 or 12 years. (Though I’m sure it’s quite a bit older than that.) I mean, I have really beat the hell out of this thing wrenching on cars in the winter, dragging, cutting, splitting firewood, and anything else when it’s cold outside. Other than a little wear around the cuffs it’s hard to tell it’s used. Washes right up every time. I’m surprised it’s lasted me this long. I hope I’m wrong, but I doubt that a new one would be nearly as nice. A new one probably wouldn’t last more than a couple seasons.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Adam Smith

    Do you remember when L.L.Bean had a lifetime return guaranty? It’s only one-year now.

    Such is the way of the world.

    Replies: @Adam Smith

  263. Maybe it’s time to change the way sizes are considered. Don’t use irrelevant numbers, because size meanings can differ from store to store.
    Instead bring in a new system, burgers. Do you devour two or three Mickey-dees in a sitting? Maybe four. There’s no room for confusion then.

  264. @Mike Tre
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    "The banging-other-supermodels things will have to wait for another day."

    I guess we have to wait for you to bang them fist. :)

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Oh, stop. What is this, Letters to Penthouse?

    And try spelling “first” correctly, Great Sarcasmo.

    Or maybe you really did mean, “fist”. Who can tell?

  265. @The Alarmist
    @peterike

    Yes, I have a stack of twenty+ year old Land’s End pocket-tees and polo shirts that also have not needed replacement. I bought a couple newer ones a decade ago, and get half the cloth for twice the price.

    Yay globalism!

    Replies: @Adam Smith

    Most t-shirts are pretty thin these days, which is fine in the summer, but generally I like my tshirts heavy. Long sleeve, short sleeve, I prefer heavy (6oz) shirts.

    Not that you need any new shirts, but I’ve had really good luck buying from jones’ t-shirts…

    https://www.jonestshirts.com/collections/tshirts

    If you order more than \$89 you get free shipping. I still have a pile of brand new shirts in my closet. The ones I’m wearing are still great. (Sure, some are a little beat up from wrenching and other work, but that’s just life.) To my pleasant surprise, the last order I made (a couple years back) took less than 24 hours to arrive on my porch. I ordered them one afternoon and they were on my porch the next morning when I woke up.

    *Not trying to be a salesman for these guys, but it was a nice, refreshing change to do business with someone competent.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Adam Smith

    Thanks for the info !

  266. @Stan Adams
    @Arclight

    As the token fatty on iSteve, I can report that, for a free lunch, I would walk a mile in the 90-degree sun with 100% humidity without a moment's hesitation. I do it just about it every day.

    I routinely walk two, three, even five miles at a time. On my days off, I leave the house on foot and combine my walking with bus rides to add variety.

    Still, I'm pretty fat.

    I understand the visceral disgust that people feel. I understand the need to discourage people from being fat. I understand that, ultimately, being fat is a choice. That being said, I don't find snide comments from rude people to be particularly helpful.

    I have a certain sense of contempt for people who can't keep their mouths shut. I have a Midwestern sense of politeness, where I assiduously avoid saying anything unpleasant about anyone within earshot while keeping the most murderous thoughts to myself. Even if I loathe you - even if I have a burning desire to decapitate you with my bare hands - I will make a Herculean effort to maintain a blandly pleasant façade. If you say something rude, I will pretend that I didn't hear it. It's not difficult for me to be nice, because I'm really quite indifferent to most people I meet. Even those I hate are rarely on my radar screen.

    At a young age I began telling myself that other people are nothing more than background noise. "They're ants; they're cockroaches; they're buzzing little gnats. They're entitled to their insignificant opinions." Over time I almost came to believe it.

    As my mother used to tell me, "People are s**t. Who cares what stupid a**holes think? F**k 'em."

    I have found my mother's advice most useful.

    An older acquaintance of mine, who fancies himself something of a mentor to me, sometimes takes it upon himself to offer his own (unsolicited) advice. "I'm going to tell you what I told my own son. If you want people to be nice to you, then you need to lose the weight."

    When he says that, I smile and think to myself (but do not say out loud), "Would that be your gay son, who most assuredly is not the man in any relationship? You must be so proud, knowing that he shed all that extra fat just so he could grow up to become a fag."

    (Yes, I know he has a valid point and I would do well to listen to him. I am aware that being fat is bad.)

    I have another older acquaintance - a New York transplant - who has no reservations about making disparaging comments about my weight. He doesn't "do" politeness - just he goes right for the jugular.

    Interestingly enough, his son is also gay. He is not happy about it. I have never said one word to him about it. But I take comfort in his misery. I enjoy imagining his discomfort as he contemplates the fact that his good little boy - the smart son, the doctor - is getting stuffed every night like a Christmas turkey.

    There are lots of people who are unhappy about lots of different things. Misery has lots of company.

    Sitting at the bus stop with the boiling noonday sun bearing down upon me, I see people riding around in their air-conditioned Lexuses with grim expressions on their faces, and I think to myself, "Losers."

    This is a monstrous thing to say, but sometimes I feel a certain grim sense of satisfaction when I learn that some thin, attractive person has just committed suicide. I have failed at a lot of things in life, but to date I have fulfilled my biological impulse to seek self-preservation.

    But, yeah, I do need to lose weight.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @James Speaks, @Justvisiting

    When I was in my young twenties I was an overweight guy–years of college food and liquor was probably the main cause.

    I had a gruff uncle who took me aside and asked me:

    Uncle: “Do you like hot women?’

    Me: “Yeah”

    Uncle: “Do you have one of your own now?

    Me: “No”

    Uncle: “Do you want to get and keep one?

    Me: “Yeah”

    Uncle: “Then lose the weight.”

    I hated him for that conversation–wanted to punch him out on the spot.

    But–I lost the weight and he was right.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Justvisiting

    Brutally honest uncles can help make a man.

    God bless them.

    , @Stan Adams
    @Justvisiting

    My mother’s brother never had anything to do with me. But my mother’s sister’s husband took quite a bit of interest in me. He had a daughter but he always wanted a son.

    Judging by my reaction in this photograph, he has just given me some especially brutal advice:



    https://i.ibb.co/7WR2mj2/6789282-B-0844-4-FAA-B5-E6-18921-E0928-A2.jpg

    More recently, Uncle Hunter has been helping me perfect my psychopathic stare.

    https://i.ibb.co/zJ00d1Y/E18-CC751-E552-4981-8930-2-EC218-E4-D734.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/yyNTcCx/27-D149-DA-0488-4-DAA-90-DD-90657-B2-EE262.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/8c9jnX1/FA5-BF670-F238-43-F8-ADAF-BDDF56-CE8869.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/M6vtLKR/444-C76-FB-A838-456-B-A1-D4-B742-C699-D5-AB.jpg

  267. @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    "I was ahead of the curve 20 years ago … I was already grotesquely obese."

    Nope, sorry. Obese, yes; grotesquely so, no. You don't have that huge slab of belly hanging down and resting on your thighs and you actually have a lap.

    My late husband was 5'9" tall and weighed 280 lbs. That was grotesque.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Truth, @Stan Adams

    I’m taller than your husband and I have a long torso, so that does tend to help somewhat.

    My condolences, as well.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    Thank you, Stan. I appreciate that.

    Yes, you are heavy but there's a big difference (sorry) between big and tall and fat slob. You're in the former category so you really shouldn't refer to yourself as if you were in the latter. (I seem to recall a "head shot" you posted that where I realized you were a big guy.). By all means, lose weight but be honest with yourself, pro and con. Trust me, I'm not just trying to make you feel better. I live in a small town in flyover country. Whereas you will walk in Florida's heat to a fast food joint, the people I see at Walmart struggle to walk from the parking lot to the bank of scooters at the entrance. No way are they in as good of shape as you are. They are fatties.

    I do something similar to your silently referring to random strangers as "Losers". Since pretty much everyone is to the left of me politically, I silently condemn them with "Left-wing ****" or something equally anti-social.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  268. @MichiganMom
    @Jack P

    I think that’s Lululemon.

    Replies: @AnonAnon

    Think again. You haven’t been on the lululemon website in awhile. It’s full of chubby women, super dark, fresh off the Somalian resettlement flight black women, shaved head freaks, women with artificial legs, a couple of trans [insert retching noises here] “women”, hardly anybody objectively attractive, and very few white women. The same can be said for the men’s side – unattractive and very diverse. The women’s clothing is much boxier and androgynous than in years past. Between the models and the lackluster design – they’ve hired a lot of ex-Nike people- I’m not sure why their sales haven’t suffered.

  269. “I can’t afford a WSJ subscription…”

    Memorial Day Sale: \$38.99 \$4 per Month

    Memorial Day Sale!
    \$4 dollars a month for a year.

  270. @Stan Adams
    @Kylie

    I’m taller than your husband and I have a long torso, so that does tend to help somewhat.

    My condolences, as well.

    Replies: @Kylie

    Thank you, Stan. I appreciate that.

    Yes, you are heavy but there’s a big difference (sorry) between big and tall and fat slob. You’re in the former category so you really shouldn’t refer to yourself as if you were in the latter. (I seem to recall a “head shot” you posted that where I realized you were a big guy.). By all means, lose weight but be honest with yourself, pro and con. Trust me, I’m not just trying to make you feel better. I live in a small town in flyover country. Whereas you will walk in Florida’s heat to a fast food joint, the people I see at Walmart struggle to walk from the parking lot to the bank of scooters at the entrance. No way are they in as good of shape as you are. They are fatties.

    I do something similar to your silently referring to random strangers as “Losers”. Since pretty much everyone is to the left of me politically, I silently condemn them with “Left-wing ****” or something equally anti-social.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Kylie

    “Husky” is a good descriptor. I’m not quite as tall as Steve.

    Men are always looking for ways to gain a few inches. But sometimes we come up short. I never did reach the 10-inch hand-width measurement that is considered desirable for NFL quarterbacks:

    https://i.ibb.co/dfJxg1m/E8457039-BD82-4039-93-C7-3255-B21-C03-FF.jpg

    Replies: @Kylie

  271. @Adam Smith
    @The Alarmist

    Most t-shirts are pretty thin these days, which is fine in the summer, but generally I like my tshirts heavy. Long sleeve, short sleeve, I prefer heavy (6oz) shirts.

    Not that you need any new shirts, but I've had really good luck buying from jones' t-shirts...

    https://www.jonestshirts.com/collections/tshirts

    If you order more than $89 you get free shipping. I still have a pile of brand new shirts in my closet. The ones I'm wearing are still great. (Sure, some are a little beat up from wrenching and other work, but that's just life.) To my pleasant surprise, the last order I made (a couple years back) took less than 24 hours to arrive on my porch. I ordered them one afternoon and they were on my porch the next morning when I woke up.

    *Not trying to be a salesman for these guys, but it was a nice, refreshing change to do business with someone competent.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Thanks for the info !

  272. @Adam Smith
    @The Alarmist

    Good evening, Mr. Alarmist,

    I have an old Columbia fleece jacket that I got second hand and have been wearing for 10 or 12 years. (Though I'm sure it's quite a bit older than that.) I mean, I have really beat the hell out of this thing wrenching on cars in the winter, dragging, cutting, splitting firewood, and anything else when it's cold outside. Other than a little wear around the cuffs it's hard to tell it's used. Washes right up every time. I'm surprised it's lasted me this long. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt that a new one would be nearly as nice. A new one probably wouldn't last more than a couple seasons.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Do you remember when L.L.Bean had a lifetime return guaranty? It’s only one-year now.

    Such is the way of the world.

    • Replies: @Adam Smith
    @The Alarmist

    Greetings, Mr. Alarmist,

    Yes, I do. It wasn't that long ago when they changed the policy. ~3 or 4 years if my memory serves. I still have some old L.L. Bean shirts that will last me for years to come. They used to make some really nice stuff.

    Such is the way of the world. (Sigh.)

  273. @Colin Wright
    @John Johnson

    '...It really starts to beat up your back actually if you never exercise. People aren’t designed to sit 12 hours a day.'

    It'll beat up your back anyway. I ran a moving company for just shy of twenty years -- and guess what? My back's a wreck.

    Basically, I was built to be killed by the same heart attack that wasted my father and his father in their mid-fifties.

    Thanks to modern medicine, I survived it -- so guess what? Other things start breaking down.

    We weren't designed to live as long as we do. Sucks -- but you gotta consider the alternative.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    It really starts to beat up your back actually if you never exercise. People aren’t designed to sit 12 hours a day.

    It’ll beat up your back anyway. I ran a moving company for just shy of twenty years — and guess what? My back’s a wreck.

    I don’t think people are made to do that either.

    The ideal is a mix of physical/sedentary.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @John Johnson

    '...The ideal is a mix of physical/sedentary.'

    Probably. But then you get into another issue.

    Is the purpose of your life to take care of your back?

    ...or whatever. Physical health and longevity are nice -- but your existence can be scored on other criteria.

    I remember I once read an interview with a former college football player. He had to sit by the side of his bed every morning for half an hour to let the blood seep through the cartilage in his knees. Or something.

    He wouldn't have missed playing those four years for the world.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  274. @Truth
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, '62 was the cornerstone of the plan to destroy small business in America.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, ’62 was the cornerstone of the plan to destroy small business in America.

    And Covid-19 was the ribbon-cutting!

  275. @Justvisiting
    @Stan Adams

    When I was in my young twenties I was an overweight guy--years of college food and liquor was probably the main cause.

    I had a gruff uncle who took me aside and asked me:

    Uncle: "Do you like hot women?'

    Me: "Yeah"

    Uncle: "Do you have one of your own now?

    Me: "No"

    Uncle: "Do you want to get and keep one?

    Me: "Yeah"

    Uncle: "Then lose the weight."

    I hated him for that conversation--wanted to punch him out on the spot.

    But--I lost the weight and he was right.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Stan Adams

    Brutally honest uncles can help make a man.

    God bless them.

  276. @Alden
    @RAZ

    Don’t forget average height 5’4 So average height 170, no wonder the clothing people stocked up on big sizes.

    One theory about why Oprah Winfrey got so popular is that she’s fat. Women were so sick and tired of all the thin pretty woman on TV they loved watching fat ugly Oprah.

    Replies: @Jay Fink

    This is the same reason Adele became a popular singer, not to mention Lizzo.

  277. @AndrewR
    Americans really are a fat, lazy, gluttonous, disgusting people.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_body_weight#By_country

    Replies: @Goddard, @RAZ, @Elmer T. Jones, @Jay Fink

    My BMI is 21.5, right in the middle of the normal weight range. Let me tell you “normal” is not normal! I am one of the few non-fat people in any crowd, especially in my age group.

  278. @John Johnson
    @Colin Wright


    It really starts to beat up your back actually if you never exercise. People aren’t designed to sit 12 hours a day.
     
    It’ll beat up your back anyway. I ran a moving company for just shy of twenty years — and guess what? My back’s a wreck.

    I don't think people are made to do that either.

    The ideal is a mix of physical/sedentary.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘…The ideal is a mix of physical/sedentary.’

    Probably. But then you get into another issue.

    Is the purpose of your life to take care of your back?

    …or whatever. Physical health and longevity are nice — but your existence can be scored on other criteria.

    I remember I once read an interview with a former college football player. He had to sit by the side of his bed every morning for half an hour to let the blood seep through the cartilage in his knees. Or something.

    He wouldn’t have missed playing those four years for the world.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Colin Wright

    Earl Campbell was the world's greatest football player for a few years around 1980 -- his coaches' strategy was to have Earl pound away at the 11 defensive players until they were too tired and sore to stop him in the 4th quarter -- and has been a physical wreck ever since.

  279. @The Alarmist
    @Adam Smith

    Do you remember when L.L.Bean had a lifetime return guaranty? It’s only one-year now.

    Such is the way of the world.

    Replies: @Adam Smith

    Greetings, Mr. Alarmist,

    Yes, I do. It wasn’t that long ago when they changed the policy. ~3 or 4 years if my memory serves. I still have some old L.L. Bean shirts that will last me for years to come. They used to make some really nice stuff.

    Such is the way of the world. (Sigh.)

  280. @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    Thank you, Stan. I appreciate that.

    Yes, you are heavy but there's a big difference (sorry) between big and tall and fat slob. You're in the former category so you really shouldn't refer to yourself as if you were in the latter. (I seem to recall a "head shot" you posted that where I realized you were a big guy.). By all means, lose weight but be honest with yourself, pro and con. Trust me, I'm not just trying to make you feel better. I live in a small town in flyover country. Whereas you will walk in Florida's heat to a fast food joint, the people I see at Walmart struggle to walk from the parking lot to the bank of scooters at the entrance. No way are they in as good of shape as you are. They are fatties.

    I do something similar to your silently referring to random strangers as "Losers". Since pretty much everyone is to the left of me politically, I silently condemn them with "Left-wing ****" or something equally anti-social.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    “Husky” is a good descriptor. I’m not quite as tall as Steve.

    Men are always looking for ways to gain a few inches. But sometimes we come up short. I never did reach the 10-inch hand-width measurement that is considered desirable for NFL quarterbacks:

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    You'd do well with just under 10 inch hand span playing classical piano, though not as well as Rachmaninoff.

    "Rachmaninov is regarded as one of the greatest pianists of the twentieth century. He had legendary technical facilities and rhythmic drive, and his large hands were able to cover the interval of a thirteenth on the keyboard (a hand span of approximately twelve inches). His large handspan roughly corresponded with his height; Rachmaninov was 6 feet 6 inches (1.98m) tall according to sources."

    https://wmich.edu/mus-gened/mus150/CB-Rachmaninov.htm

  281. @Justvisiting
    @Stan Adams

    When I was in my young twenties I was an overweight guy--years of college food and liquor was probably the main cause.

    I had a gruff uncle who took me aside and asked me:

    Uncle: "Do you like hot women?'

    Me: "Yeah"

    Uncle: "Do you have one of your own now?

    Me: "No"

    Uncle: "Do you want to get and keep one?

    Me: "Yeah"

    Uncle: "Then lose the weight."

    I hated him for that conversation--wanted to punch him out on the spot.

    But--I lost the weight and he was right.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Stan Adams

    My mother’s brother never had anything to do with me. But my mother’s sister’s husband took quite a bit of interest in me. He had a daughter but he always wanted a son.

    Judging by my reaction in this photograph, he has just given me some especially brutal advice:

    [MORE]

    More recently, Uncle Hunter has been helping me perfect my psychopathic stare.

    • LOL: Kylie
  282. @Colin Wright
    @John Johnson

    '...The ideal is a mix of physical/sedentary.'

    Probably. But then you get into another issue.

    Is the purpose of your life to take care of your back?

    ...or whatever. Physical health and longevity are nice -- but your existence can be scored on other criteria.

    I remember I once read an interview with a former college football player. He had to sit by the side of his bed every morning for half an hour to let the blood seep through the cartilage in his knees. Or something.

    He wouldn't have missed playing those four years for the world.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Earl Campbell was the world’s greatest football player for a few years around 1980 — his coaches’ strategy was to have Earl pound away at the 11 defensive players until they were too tired and sore to stop him in the 4th quarter — and has been a physical wreck ever since.

  283. @Stan Adams
    @Kylie

    “Husky” is a good descriptor. I’m not quite as tall as Steve.

    Men are always looking for ways to gain a few inches. But sometimes we come up short. I never did reach the 10-inch hand-width measurement that is considered desirable for NFL quarterbacks:

    https://i.ibb.co/dfJxg1m/E8457039-BD82-4039-93-C7-3255-B21-C03-FF.jpg

    Replies: @Kylie

    You’d do well with just under 10 inch hand span playing classical piano, though not as well as Rachmaninoff.

    “Rachmaninov is regarded as one of the greatest pianists of the twentieth century. He had legendary technical facilities and rhythmic drive, and his large hands were able to cover the interval of a thirteenth on the keyboard (a hand span of approximately twelve inches). His large handspan roughly corresponded with his height; Rachmaninov was 6 feet 6 inches (1.98m) tall according to sources.”

    https://wmich.edu/mus-gened/mus150/CB-Rachmaninov.htm

  284. @Hodag
    There is a store out there for mostly teenage girls called Brandy Melville. They only carry size xs/s. They say that is for cost reasons but the actual function is to not have their clothes worn by fat women. It is a branding exercise.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Harry Baldwin, @Alden, @Alice in Wonderland

    Brandy Melville. They only carry size xs/s.

    Asians?

  285. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    It's funny what people remember. I don't remember those marriage bureau ads at all. And the watch ads I remember were not for legitimate fancy watches but for phony Chinese made brands meant to APPEAR Swiss like Stauer. Although the fancy watch business is the biggest ripoff going next to "cryptocurrency".

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Although the fancy watch business is the biggest ripoff going next to “cryptocurrency”.

    Surely not!

    I was offered a gold Rolex watch for \$12 yesterday, but I managed to bargain it down to \$10–exactly the same price as a Fossil watch, so obviously a great deal.

    I remember the marriage bureau ads, because they were so strange. I always enjoyed looking at them on my next trip to see how they had tweaked the wording, or for how certain regional managers for It’s Just Lunch had disappeared and been replaced. They were all women, so I imagine they had already found their husbands, and just had this little franchise job on the side that they soon became disillusioned with.

    I am guessing that the business was really about selling franchises rather than helping people who had money to spare, but were way too busy to find a spouse.

  286. Average sized shoppers in women’s clothes (like myself) have known this for years – be prepared for the size 8’s to be sold out.

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