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Little has happened overnight due to the vote counters going home in some states or, in Philadelphia, the vote-counters having worked all night but the big shots refusing to update the public on what the workers have counted.

In Wisconsin, the Milwaukee mail ballots finally got counted giving Biden a 7,500 vote lead in the Badger State. In Nevada, Trump has narrowed Biden’s lead to about the same.

Biden has cut Trump’s lead in Michigan, with some Detroit votes left to count.

It’s almost as if heavily Democratic districts tend to be late to report their results. Is that because heavily Democratic districts tend to be more inept at simple vote-counting or more adroit at complex vote-manipulation, or both?

At this point, Biden appears to have more paths to 270 than Trump does, although it’s not over.

Also, you might imagine that after 4 years of rhetoric about how Trump must be driven from office By Any Means Necessary, that there might turn out to be Democrat operatives in some close states willing to do what needs to be done to get Literally Hitler out of the White House.

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  1. All the major news networks (even FOX) are full of Jews and Blacks claiming that the overwhelming majority of outstanding votes are from Democrats, so Trump will lose.

    Trump is now behind in Wisconsin and quickly losing ground in Michigan. According to the tv people, Trump might lose Pennsylvania too.

    Interestingly, FOX NEWS called called Arizona before any votes were counted. The FOX election decision desk chief is a registered Democrat (and former Clinton operative) named (((Arnon Mishkin))).

    A lot of these counts of votes are happening very late in the night, under the cover of darkness. It appears most of the election officials doing the counts are Blacks, and they’re mostly “finding” ballots in urban Black areas.

    Call it what it is.

    A coup.

    TLDR Summary:

    A Jewish&Black coup is underway.

  2. Anon[299] • Disclaimer says:

    Third world…here we are!

  3. Whites will feel furious and cheated (as they should in general).

    What’s clear is that it was the race-traitors who did this to them. From the media to the Orwellian Creep Lady down the street, they betrayed Whites.

    Actual good Whites realize it. And that’s a good thing.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  4. Altai says:

    Most BPD/Anti-social personality disorder moment of the night. Blonde afro man spitting at man in car after he says he’s on their side.

    • Replies: @fnn
    , @Marat
  5. Are there many normal heterosexual males who work in high tech? So many seem to have an effeminate worldview.

    Is that actually true? Strikes me as so bizarre.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
  6. Altai says:

    OT: Tweet of the night.

    Reminds me of this picture.

  7. AndrewR says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Lmao how can it be a coup? Trump loves Jews and blacks.

    • Replies: @John Gruskos
    , @Desiderius
  8. Polistra says:

    Sleepy Tricia is clearly laying the groundwork for PoCs to be permitted to nap on the job whenever they want. Social Justice!

    About Trump? Hilarious that he may have pulled it off–and that extra Supreme Court justice just might come in handy. However, he’s still the Bozo in Chief and I’m just a little tired of cringing. Maybe..a nap? Good idea Steve.

    • Replies: @Anon
  9. AndrewR says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/mattgaetz/status/1323822228291637249

    Based Gaetz.

    For reference, that Hill demon writes for The Atlantic. I think she’s the most well known personality there now that TNC took the money and ran.

  10. Flip says:

    I thought it was interesting that California voted down bringing back racial preferences. Hispanics and Asians probably figured it would be used mostly to benefit blacks to their detriment.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe, fish
    • Replies: @bomag
  11. LondonBob says:

    Early voting suitably muddied the picture, I say a little bit of both going on.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Altai
  12. Everything is happening as expected. Is anyone surprised?

    Let’s consider reality: Regardless of how much or how little fraud is taking place, the USA is divided. There was a “YUGE” turnout this time, from both sides, both in person and by mail.

    And Kanye West got thousands of votes too. Look it up.

    In my little town even, I have never seen so many people vote. It was the first time my wife and I had to wait in line, and the numbers now (all in BTW) total virtually all adults who live here. We’ve never seen that before. Slightly more Democrats, of course, but plenty of us Republicans too.

    People feel strongly now, whatever their position.

    We live in interesting times…

    • Thanks: Jus' Sayin'...
    • Replies: @Altai
  13. Let’s say that the polls did get it all wrong. Was this because people were scared to tell pollsters what they really thought? When are we going to discuss how depraved and pathetic that is? Conservatives can win an election (2016 at least) and still are scared to anonymously tell a pollster how they plan on voting, or how they really feel about BLM? That’s a fundamental, spiritual supra political state of defeat. One that Trump profits from by allowing his supports to vicariously flaunt convention through him but ultimately does nothing to remedy, and actually worsens by inciting repression of his supporters.

  14. LRFD says:

    Whoever wins will have won it by the skin of their teeth following a drawn out legal process. It won’t be the massive blowout that the media was gaslighting. (Their credibility will be blown with large chunks of the nation, including Blue chunks, never to be recovered again.) We are a divided nation that can’t agree on fundamental values and basic principles. The winner will not unite the nation, but further drive it apart. Moreover, the winner will be faced with the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression and various Blue power centers that need a massive infusion of cash. I doubt that either candidate will have the political capital to do much more than tread water in normal conditions. Treading water will not lead to sufficient prosperity to paper over our differences. Finally, since these are not normal conditions, anything can happen. I would not be surprised if the next president saw one (or more) of the following: China makes a military move on Taiwan; the Big One hits the West Coast; a nuke goes off; and a major credit incident that wipes out large amounts of capital. Any of these would discredit the national government in the current situation. God only knows what comes next.

    I know what the Romans felt in the time of Caesar, the French in the time of Louis XVI, and the Russians in the time of Nicholas II. Damn it all.

    I think that Biden takes it – better fraud operations. I think he’s out in a year due to the stress. I think that Harris (as the whore of Babylon) blows the whole thing up as the oligarchs try to prop up the system, only to see it transform into something new and terrible following some black swan event. What strange beast, it’s hour come round at last stumbles towards Bethlehem to be born…

  15. The good news is that it looks as if the GOP retains control of the Senate. They can block most of the truly goofy ideas — packing the Court, admitting DC as a state, etc.

    Trump really does need to win all the remaining states — very difficult statistically, given that the election officials say the uncounted ballots are largely mail-in which favor the Dems.

    I think by the end of the week, Trump will concede.

    At some point, the Left was going to take the Presidency — if not now, then in 2024 or 2028. In some ways, it is best that they do it now, with a senile nominee and a crazy harpie waiting to take power. Perhaps the country can learn who the Leftists really are while there is still a brake by the GOP Senate and the (finally!) non-Left majority on the Supreme Court.

    And if Biden wins, there should be some real fracturing in the Democratic Party — AOC et al. will want their reward, which a good fraction of Democrats cannot tolerate.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  16. @LRFD

    LRFD wrote:

    Moreover, the winner will be faced with the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression and various Blue power centers that need a massive infusion of cash.

    Yeah. The stock market is in a bubble, due to huge infusions of money by the Fed. The next President may turn out to be Herbert Hoover.

  17. @Guy De Champlagne

    Was this because people were scared to tell pollsters what they really thought? When are we going to discuss how depraved and pathetic that is?

    It has never been more clear in recent American memory — and probably all American memory — that this is true.

    If you want to know where there is evil, you could do worse than to simply identify where intimidation and abuse is coming from. In our time now, virtually all of it is coming in one direction against just one people of one, traditional, patriotic, historic and legitimate, American position.

    Because of our work and where we live, my wife and I are very careful not to discuss politics with anyone until they initiate and clearly identify themselves as on our side. We suspect this is common across our country.

    Anyone who does not say or think that the United States of America itself, what it really is and always has been, is under attack is sadly mistaken, because it is. AND WE ARE LOSING.

    Let us all ask ourselves: What is wrong with this picture?

  18. Levon says:

    Remember that black woman in NYC who poured paint over the Black Lives Matter stencil that the mayor had painted in front of Trump Tower?

    Yeah. BLM found her, and stabbed the hell out of her and her friend.

    Don’t watch if you don’t want to see blood gushing out of one of the victim’s throat:

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Neoconned
  19. The result will be what it will be. The ruling class have been shielded from criticism for the last 12 years, eight hiding behind Obama’s blackness and four shouting down Trump as he mostly did ruling class friendly things while simultaneously saying ruling class hostile things. If Biden wins the ruling class owns the next four years. And for Trump, even in a dodgy defeat, this election can only be seen as a validation of Trump’s heretical ideas while being a rejection of his failure in the optics of leadership of the Covid crisis.

    In the meantime Tucker Carlson will rise as the heir apparent. Trump could go down as a world-historic figure for permanently shifting the GOP towards a nationalist/populist movement. Tucker needs to reinvigorate the holy trinity of Trumpian policies: anti-immigration, anti-free trade, and anti-imperialism. Tucker has to make this explicit by refusing to speak before AIPAC.

    Tucker would do well to also finally tackle the health care question with an expanded Medicare for all in return for closed borders (E-verify). I would love Tucker to try a little right/left bridge building by choosing Tulsi as his running mate. In the meantime we have four years of riots and blackity black anger that will be directed finally towards the ruling class if the forces of evil do manage to steal this election for Biden.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  20. Trump came up with a number of v popular policies and was cruising to re-election before corona. But he is too undisciplined and inept to build and maintain a long-standing ruling party coalition. He will be a Goldwater type figure who flamed out personally but set the stage for others after him.

    • Replies: @Travis
  21. Cido says:

    Trump will lose. Michigan will turn blue after the finish of the votes counting in Detroit.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
  22. Altai says:
    @LondonBob

    This is the index we should be looking at, looks good for 4 more years of TDS.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    , @Buffalo Joe
  23. peterike says:

    Biden wins by obvious fraud. Nothing is done about it. The border door gets opened wide. More “new Americans” show up. Vote-by-mail is the new normal with fraud routine in Dem states. Republicans never win the Presidency again, and also never flip a Dem state Governor again or a Senate seat due to mail in voting. It’s a steady ratchet now to total Dem dominance and a true one-party nation.

    But at least that damn blowhard will be gone!

    • Agree: jim jones
  24. Thomas says:

    Yeah, this isn’t suspicious.

    • Agree: Supply and Demand
    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @JR.Ewing.78
    , @128
    , @Mr. Anon
  25. BB753 says:

    This is news: Steve Sailer sleeps.

    • Agree: Dissident, Voltarde
    • LOL: Dumbo
  26. @Torn and Frayed

    I have a quibble with your post.

    It has been a lot longer than 12 years. More like 40-60 years.

  27. @PhysicistDave

    Hoover did a lot of good before he became an elected president, though. The next president won’t have that on their record.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
  28. Corn says:

    OT: a friend sent me a Facebook article link. Apparently in a referendum in Oregon voters voted to decriminalize hard drugs? Cocaine, heroin, etc.

    In a society with voters this decadent and vapid Trump is only delaying the inevitable.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    , @Dumbo
  29. Of all nights for black municipal employees to make up their Historic African Sleep Deficit!

    Trump was ahead in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin with, respectively, 94%, 63%, 70% and 94% of the vote counted when I called it quits at 0245. As I told a family member last night, it was always going to be close and they will not let him win again.

  30. @Altai

    Thanks for the Ben and Jerry post–good laugh.

    The universe is a hologram.

    I found a nasty looking snake in my garage yesterday. I swept it out of the garage and killed it with a mallet.

    Or so I thought. An hour later the snake was alive and trying to get back into the garage.

    I should have known what was coming on election night.

    P.S. I finally _got_ the snake. It was still buried where I left it last time I checked.

    I am predicting that after an insane court battle and lots of twists and turns, the Supremes put Trump back in office. Nobody ever said killing snakes would be easy.

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  31. Anonymous[600] • Disclaimer says:

    You want to keep having a country with these people?

    LOL

    You like spilling your blood and paying taxes so these creeps can stab you in the back? And scold you and enslave you?

    This was the reason we fought the Civil War, WWI, and WWII, Korea and Vietnam? All those dead white men so that you could watch your sons being humiliated for generations generations to come?

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
  32. Adamant says:

    Yep, that’s always been the problem with the Negro, they just work so gosh darn hard.

  33. This is why they wanted mail in voting. Because it’s much easier to manipulate, especially if you can wait to count them last and know how many votes your guy needs. COVID was a godsend for them.

    Same thing with early voting. You need a big window to convince Cousin Pookie and Comic Book Guy to find the time to stop by the polls. Hell, you might have to give them a ride.

    Normal Americans who fall for the “Everyone should vote!” trope have been hoodwinked on that one. If you want sane policies and leaders, you most certainly don’t want *everyone* voting.

    If we were voting like it was intended, with a single Election Day, for-cause absentee ballots, and common sense security measures, the far left would have no chance. But the cult of universal suffrage doesn’t let many people see that.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  34. Anon[110] • Disclaimer says:

    All blue states basically cheated, through both fraudulent vote counting and mass voting by illegal voters. In all these states, voter registration is via the DMV, and they are not connected to the social security office for verification of citizenship status, so anyone can basically register to vote.

    When Trump called off the investigation of voting fraud and disbanded his team of investigators soon after inauguration in 2016, I said then he was making a big mistake and that it would come back to haunt him in 4 years, I’m afraid I was right. That’s the problem with Republicans, they don’t think long term. Last month the FBI arrested 11 non-citizens in Wisconsin for voting illegally in 2016. Too little too late. Trump made a huge mistake by not threatening to deport any and all who are caught voting illegally this time around.

    The GOP needs to bring lawsuits to all the blue states, esp. all the West Coast states, and demand an audit of their registered voters for eligibility.

  35. fnn says:
    @Altai

  36. @Thomas

    I am more partial to this one:

    • Agree: res
    • Replies: @Olorin
  37. fnn says:

    You only get voter turnouts this high in totalitarian states:

    • Replies: @fnn
  38. Anon[250] • Disclaimer says:

    As of this point, it appears that the fundamental problem is we don’t have a Gary Johnson running to pull votes away from the Democrats. In no state is a third party candidate significantly strong.

  39. Bill says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    The Lyingpress lies seems like a more parsimonious explanation to me.

  40. Steve, don’t let the commenters here tell you that your Sailer Strategy has been debunked in this election. I will write a blog post on this later today, time permitting.

    Here’s the gist of my point. We need to back up and look at the big picture, not just some majority county in SW Texas that went for Trump. It’s great that Hispanics have had enough of the rioting, black ass-kissing and other racial division. It’s great that they DON’T mind that Trump is anti-immigration. However, 30 or 40% even of their vote is still a losing deal! You ain’t agonna make it up in volume, dammit – we’ve all heard that joke.

    We are just glad to see number that high because we expected lower, so the race has been closer, that’s all. It’s an expectations thing.

    Secondly, were Trump to have ENCOURAGED rather than DISCOURAGED those white men (mostly men) who looked for him to stand up just the littlest bit for the White People, he may have picked up 5 or 10 MILLION more votes. They’d be people who didn’t bother to come out. (What’s the proportion of voting age people who came out? I see 134 million right now, maybe rising a little closer to 140 million – out of what, at 240 to 275 million?)

    And, as I noted that not all Hispanics are for letting anyone willy-nilly into the country (AFTER them and family that is), and they don’t buy into the affirmative action tricks, I doubt saying and doing a little bit more about/for the White People would have lost Trump many votes from them.

  41. Bill says:
    @LRFD

    Their credibility will be blown with large chunks of the nation, including Blue chunks, never to be recovered again.

    Uh huh. Their credibility just keeps getting blown never to be recovered again. Over and over again. Remember 1995 when we all thought that the intertubes were going to let us route around the Lyingpress and fix everything?

  42. @PhysicistDave

    At some point, the Left was going to take the Presidency — if not now, then in 2024 or 2028.

    That is only because the US right is stuck on stupid and won’t give up the belief that the “free market” can not only fix complex economic problems but will also unite people of different backgrounds. The GOP leadership should simply give up and let populists take the party. They don’t have a long term plan other than wave flags and call people socialists. It didn’t work in California and it won’t work nationally when Whites are a plurality. The GOP is dominated by boomers that don’t really care about losing. Half of them think that a Christ apocalypse is coming anyways.

    In some ways, it is best that they do it now, with a senile nominee and a crazy harpie waiting to take power. Perhaps the country can learn who the Leftists really are while there is still a brake by the GOP Senate and the (finally!) non-Left majority on the Supreme Court.

    But how many elections will it take for the people to get that the left is full of s–t? We see new posters at Unz and other websites talking about “True Marxism” and yet most are hilariously oblivious to what Marx actually called for. How would another election change anything if the schools keep sending out new grads that are unaware of how badly it worked in 1917?

    We are dealing with a religion that doesn’t give a damn about learning from failures. They have learned absolutely nothing from the “war on poverty” which was supposed to fix racial inequality.

    All the left has to do is maintain control of the schools and media so they can keep enough people convinced that some racist bastard somewhere is the problem and not their plans. They have a working strategy while our doofus right has nothing but Reagan quips and tax cut plans.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  43. “November 4, 2020 by Andrew Torba
    President Trump Declares Victory, Stop The Coup!

    Big Tech is working overtime to censor the President of the United States and disenfranchise his supporters. What we are witnessing is a coup attempt by the oligarchic tech, media, and political establishment.

    Twitter has censored the President’s election night tweets, preventing anyone on the site from engaging with or retweeting him. You can find an uncensored feed of the President’s tweets on the RealDonaldTrump Gab account.

    Here are some key quotes from President Trump’s Victory Speech, which can be watched in full here on Gab

    “This is a fraud on the American public.”

    “This is an embarrassment to our country. We were getting ready to win this election, frankly we did win this election.”

    “Our goal now is to ensure the integrity for the good of this nation, this is a major fraud on our nation. We want the law to be used in a proper manner. We will be going to the US Supreme Court. We want all voting to stop. We don’t want them to find any ballots at four o’clock in the morning and add them to the list. It’s a very sad moment. To me this is a very sad moment. We will win this. As far as I am concerned, we already have won.”
    https://news.gab.com/2020/11/04/president-trump-declares-victory-stop-the-coup/

  44. Bill says:
    @PhysicistDave

    while there is still a brake by the GOP Senate and the (finally!) non-Left majority on the Supreme Court.

    There has not been a Democrat majority on the SCOTUS since 1973, maybe further back. Not even for one second. It was 4-4 briefly (<1 year). The Republican majority during all that time was usually substantial, and was as big as 8-1 at one point. It's already clear that Gorsuch and Roberts have "grown in office'" in the usual way.

  45. El Dato says:
    @Levon

    It’s time to buy Axon cameras. Then you can use both hands to defend yourself against BLdontM, Antifafa and other subhumans.

  46. Love the photo of the chunky black woman comfortably asleep floating above a cotton field dreaming of how good life is in the US of A. Truly, is there a better country in the WORLD to be a black woman? Where most of your problems are caused by other black men and women. Now, if they can just learn to get along life will be perfection.

    • Replies: @CCZ
  47. Jack D says:

    Some of my takeaways so far:

    1. People did NOT blame Trump for the pandemic. I thought that there would be a lot more of that. Objectively, the US response to the pandemic has not been as effective as in some other countries. I would say that this has more to do with America’s structural and racial problems (e.g. a federal system where poorly ruled states have a lot of power, an incompetent affirmative action bureaucracy, the loss of our industrial base so that all PPE had to be imported, etc.) than with anything that Trump did or did not do, but I would have understood if people took the “buck stops here” approach and blamed Trump.

    But rather, I think voters were thinking “we are going to need to recover our economy after the pandemic. Who do I trust to lead us into an economic recovery – Trump the businessman or Biden who has never worked in the private sector and is planning to tax and regulate our way into a recovery?”

    2. Many Latinos are allergic to socialism and understand #1 – that when things go wrong for socialists, their first instinct is to punish the “wreckers” which only makes things worse and then they redouble their efforts to punish the wreckers even more. Also for Latino men, Trump is their kind of guy (the American Bolsonaro).

    3. Polling is completely worthless and the credibility of the MSM is shot. And the people already know this. All of the wailing and screaming on CNN did not change the mind of one person who was not already convinced. “Trump behind in polls by 10 points” was just an effort to mindf#ck us and discourage Trump voters. (This week we will learn that there was a “last minute swing” toward Trump and that’s why the polls were off.) All the billions of fund raising for Biden and Leftist candidates for House and Senate had no effect.

    4. Remarkably little changed from 2016. The country remains polarized and remarkably evenly divided – 50% left, 50% right. There is a big rural vs. urban/suburban gap (BTW DC was 93% for Biden) – we have two different Americas. In one America, Trump is Hitler. In the other America, Trump is the Man!

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    , @utu
  48. Heymrguda says:

    If the Right cannot beat a senile old man who at times couldn’t remember his opponents name, did not condemn riots and looting and was mired in corruption, it seems there’s little hope for future elections, at least on the national level.
    As Bill Paxton famously said in movie “aliens,” “Game over, man! Game over.”
    Seems like only hope now is for some kind of secessionist movement, hopefully led by red state governors.

    • Agree: Anonymousse
  49. @AndrewR

    They don’t love him back.

    • Replies: @Jtgw
  50. Jack D says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    We are just glad to see number that high because we expected lower, so the race has been closer, that’s all. It’s an expectations thing.

    This is actually a big thing. Dems were expecting that Latinos were going to become a reliable block for them, like blacks who vote up to 95% Dem. There are now more Latinos than blacks in the US and more every day (even if we never let another one in). If the Dems could count on Latino votes the way they count on the black vote, they would have an unbeatable combination – they could rule the US forever, from now on, even if the majority of whites voted R. All those hicks in Kentucky could go f&ck themselves and the Dems could tell them so, without shame. Court packing and reparations and all the goodies that the Squad had planned for America could be made real and there would be nothing that un-Woke white people could do about it. Take that, suckas! But instead the Biden campaign more or less ignored Latinos and took them for granted as loyal junior partners in the Black Party. To which Latinos said, “Gracias, no!”

    Now it is still unlikely that the Republicans can capture a majority of the Latino vote overall. But they don’t need to. If Republicans can get close to half of it (as they did in FL yesterday) or even 40% of it, that changes the electoral math of future America completely and Republicans remain a viable political party.

  51. You stayed up until 4:00 A.M.?

    The sun came up at 6:15 and it is going down at 4:56. If you are in bed until noon you will have passed over more than one-half the available day light. Ouch.

  52. jb says:

    Also, you might imagine that after 4 years of rhetoric about how Trump must be driven from office By Any Means Necessary, that there might turn out to be Democrat operatives in some close states willing to do what needs to be done to get Literally Hitler out of the White House.

    Well if the New York Post is lying about the Biden laptop I suppose they were lying about this too, but:

    Confessions of a voter fraud: I was a master at fixing mail-in ballots

  53. @LRFD

    I can reconcile myself to the possibility of a Biden-Harris win with the thought that whoever wins this election will have to deal with an unsolvable set of economic, demographic, social, and political catastrophes, the results of over a half-century of bipartisan corruption, stupidity and incompetence. Trump would probably handle the situation slightly better than Biden-Harris but he too would be doomed to failure. Perhaps it will be better to leave Biden-Harris, the Democrat Party, and the USA’s current establishment holding the bag, when the country is immiserated, enfeebled and humiliated to a heretofore unimaginable degree.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
  54. anon[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    Let’s say that the polls did get it all wrong. Was this because people were scared to tell pollsters what they really thought?

    Partly, for sure. But also disgust. Honest people don’t enjoy being lied to, and the polling groups are just another part of the lying infotainment biz. Push polls are easy to spot and they are very common now, leading to more disgust. A family member still has a land line because reasons, and has actually been polled more than once in the last 15 – 20 years. But no more. Now that line has an old answering machine on it just because of fake polls, so no reason to actually pick up. The same relative has banned a lot of numbers from the cell phone.

    That person will never, ever, participate in a poll again, out of sheer disgust with the brazen, corrupt fakery of the polling biz. All done with the fakes. Doesn’t pay attention to the polls anymore, either.

    Then there are the obvious shills and trolls that hit us up online with obviously leading questions intended to gaslight people in a certain way. That’s where you come in. You are part of the political machine that is alienating Americans from each other as a polity and from the would-be elites.

    Whatever you’re paid to troll here, you could probably net more with a real job, even just as a barista. So why do it?

  55. @Buzz Mohawk

    The problem is institutional, systemic anti-white racism created by unconstitutional edicts from the federal courts and enforced by the federal government. The threat of prison keeps whites from defending themselves while “others” are free to spew their hatred without fear of retaliation. This framework has been established in incremental steps so that most whites don’t even realize the extent of their displacement — they love Big Brother. The situation looks hopeless to me.

  56. Liza says:
    @LRFD

    Moreover, the winner will be faced with the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression and various Blue power centers that need a massive infusion of cash.

    Didn’t someone at the Federal Reserve in the past say that “we” can always print more money if we’re short? Or was this in some context that would’ve made sense.

  57. @PhysicistDave

    The market is insanely frothy, having gapped up overnight.

    Volatility has vanished, which seems bizarre in light of an election that is sure to be contested.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
  58. @LRFD

    The winner will not unite the nation, but further drive it apart. Moreover, the winner will be faced with the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression and various Blue power centers that need a massive infusion of cash. I doubt that either candidate will have the political capital to do much more than tread water in normal conditions. Treading water will not lead to sufficient prosperity to paper over our differences.

    The problem is that Trump would serve 4 more years while the media will go all out for reelecting Harris in 2024. So there is less chance of getting someone that can truly right the ship.

    Harris is exactly the type of person that would watch cities burn and the dollar crash while mumbling about systemic racism and the police. Biden/Harris for 8 years would be a disaster.

    If Trump wins he can at least set the stage for someone that gets what is happening. We need someone like Bannon that truly understands the problems of globalism. Only populism can fix the mess we are in. But the GOP doesn’t get that and is stuck in a 90s mentality where they just offer tax cuts to suburban Whites. The people that can fix the system are viewed by the GOP as anti-capitalist. But they need to face the reality which is that capital worship hasn’t stopped liberalism and in fact Clinton showed how liberals can be wall street whores and still win.

    What we really need is a populist party that reveals the fraud of both sides. A major problem is that both sides tacitly protect pretty lies for the establishment that do massive long term damage to the country. I’m not convinced the GOP will ever get it. We have the internet and these idiots still follow Alisa Rosenbaum based theories. Just need a few more dashes for free market sauce and everything will be fine.

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
  59. @Buzz Mohawk

    What is wrong with this picture?

    Heritage America got soft.

    It sat around and hypnotized itself into believing,”it could never happen here.”

    Well, it did.

    • Agree: 3g4me, Justvisiting
  60. Right now the Dow is up 2% and market commentators are sounding very comfortable with a Biden presidency and a Republican senate. In fact, they sound as if that is exactly what they expect. Markets don’t go up with uncertainty. They probably will get exactly what they planned for.

    Financial news is real news.

  61. anonymous[116] • Disclaimer says:

    It looks like Trump was bailed-out in Florida by Hispanics and blacks. A new coalition of the fringes?

  62. Speaking of going to bed:

    Minneapolis Institute of Arts @artsmia

    Our children owe their very lives to the Minneapolis Institute of Arts. It was their parents’ first date.

    On a later tour, I stunned the guide and her group by pointingout that Countess Maria Theresia Bucquoi was a dead ringer for the woman standing next to me. Her favorite, a portrait of a host’s daughter Dégas did on a mattress, of all media, also looks like her childhood pictures.

    Mattress, you say? Now back to the nap…

  63. @Jack D

    The LONG established pattern for Hispanic voting leans very much to the left and it isn’t going to change just because a few goofballs on the right keep claiming that Hispanics are “natural conservatives.”

    I worked with Hispanics for thirty years……they HATE the GOP.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  64. Rosie says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    They probably will get exactly what they planned for.

    I’m actually feeling pretty good about this. Trump needed to be punished. With a Republican Senate, neither our esteemed host nor KMac nor Greg Johnson are likely to be carried off in cattle cars anytime soon. It’s kind of like having your cake and eating it too.

    The Left is blackpilled about the prospects of a Biden presidency without control of the Senate.

    https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/11/04/biden-future-if-wins-434013

  65. Jack D says:
    @Jack D

    This graphic, put out by the University of California student “senate” in support of (the failed) Prop. 16 affirmative action repeal, is unintentionally very telling:

    Blacks are supposed to be the vanguard of the Revolution and their little brown brothers will stand behind and below them (naturally the white fist is the lowest of all). If you were a brown person, would this graphic make you want to join up?

  66. @Rosie

    I’m actually feeling pretty good about this. Trump needed to be punished.

    Yea just wonderful.

    Punishing Trump by handing the country over to a guy who announced this year that he was running for the Senate who will then hand the country over to a shrill leftist that made her political career by beating off a corrupt mayor.

    Hang on I’m gonna go punish my plumber by giving the job to a circus clown and his pet seal.

  67. J1234 says:

    As of now (9:14 CST):

    For all practical purposes, Trump is ahead in electoral votes (that’s giving him GA and NC, which are likely his but are not being called for some reason) but Biden is ahead in terms of situation. As it sits right now, Biden can still win (by my count) without the inevitably contentious PA. Trump can’t win without PA, so he can only win by playing the waiting game, whereas Biden could actually win today.

    So, for a win today for Biden, the key state is NV. It appears to me that the very close WI and MI counts are trending just a bit too much towards Biden to be very encouraging for Trump. Both of those states would put Biden at 264…and Nevada is 6 for a winning 270.

    From my sources, however, NV is only 66% counted at this time…and Trump is down only 7500 votes. With AK (which hasn’t been called but looks like it will go for Trump) Nevada would put Trump at 253. PA, which is trending heavily to Trump…but only 64% reporting. So, unless WI or MI do something really crazy with about 5% of the vote left to count in each, NV figures to be the most important state to watch. I’m not politically savvy enough to know if Trump’s current big half a million vote lead in PA with only 66% reporting translates to a likely win there or not, but if Trump can win NV, he’ll be looking pretty good.

  68. @Jack D

    If you were a brown person, would this graphic make you want to join up?

    Isn’t there already exit polling data showing Biden didn’t do so hot with Latinos?

    • Replies: @Anon87
  69. In honor of Nate Silver’s 538 I’m planning a predictive website called 575 — everything in haiku.

    Job One for new Prez:
    buy off some weak RINO sens —
    BidenCare mandate!

  70. Followed exact same pattern as ‘18: everything going just like ‘16 then Fox makes an outlandish call and every thing turns on a dime. Now GOPe already has everything it wants Trump is toast.

    Trump team acting shocked at Fox perfidy would be touching if it weren’t so utterly pathetic. Boomercons meet a fitting end. Never did figure out who their friends are, and more crucially enemies.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @SunBakedSuburb
  71. @Jack D

    It just makes me want to spend more time out in the sun, tanwise. California has always been tanist*.

    *Biased in favor of good tans.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  72. @Jack D

    No they’ll gladly ditch Trump and the Latinos who like him along with him. Moldbug is right: it’s going to take culture. Politics is hosed until then because cultureless whites (R and D) are sitting ducks.

  73. SC Rebel says:
    @Rosie

    Yeah actually I’m not as upset about this as I thought I might be.

    My state did get one bit of good news: No to a gradual income tax. The amendment failed.

    • Replies: @anon
  74. The bond issue for my local school district easily cleared the bar.

    It’s really something how the government (schools) can get away with posting signs, on school property, facing high-traffic corridors, urging voters to vote for .. more government.

    The previous bond measure (of course a winner) was sold to gullible voters by claiming that it would pay for all sorts of wonderful improvements. Naturally, all the money went for the pet-projects favored by unions and contractors.

    The old bait-&-switch.

    The new bond is supposedly to pay for the exciting projects that were meant to be funded by the last bond. “Finish the job!”

    Lucy and the football.

    The bond issue for the district next door won a majority, but still not enough to pass.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  75. Svigor says:

    I’ve been predicting a Trump loss, and without much regret; as bad as Harris is, Trump is a snake who literally gets his people into fights with his enemies then abandons them when the ADL/FBI come around to falsely imprison them. He’s a disloyal piece of shit and deserves no loyalty. Unless you’re a Zionist first and last, in which case he’s been quite loyal and it makes perfect sense to return the favor.

    That said, I was wrong. He’s doing much better than I expected, and looks like he will actually win PA (Philly has already mostly shot their wad and he’s still 550k votes ahead in the state). He’s got a good shot at winning this thing. Maybe 60/40 Harris or 55/45 Harris at this point, which is much better than I expected.

    I suppose I underestimated the shy voter effect, which must have gone into turbo mode after 4 years of judenpresse hysteria. Add in the complete stupidity of the dems in allowing their counter-revolutionary thugs (antifa, BLM) to run rampant for a year, burning, looting, attacking, intimidating, plus a comically weak dem nominee, and voila, even a bumbling treacherous buffoon like Trump can get himself elected.

  76. Bugg says:

    Under the radar story; the more immigrants that become citizens in a state, more likely states are to vote Democrat. Ann Coulter has been saying this for decades, and the idiots like the Bushes and the Romneys had the insane idea Latinos are “natural conservatives”, as if the reasons the immigrated was their love of the market economics Ayn Rand, Adam Smith and Milton Friedman. What nonsense; Latinos and other 3rd world types will always vote for the statist party. California was until post Reagan reliably Republican; no more. This was also true of Colorado and New Mexico, which are now reliably blue. Same thing is playing out in Arizona, Nevada and Texas, and even in states that are less obvious like Georgia, Virginia and North Carolina. Not playing out in Florida because Cuban-Americans have a well-earned view of leftist politics. Texas was never even close until now. Once that flips blue, hard to see how you ever again have a Republican president.

    In short, since the day Reagan signed Simpson-Mazzola, white America has been sold out.

  77. @Jack D

    What are you talking about man?

    In a two party system, the two parties will always split vote more or less evenly. If you are a conservative you will always vote for a relatively more conservative candidate and vice versa. That’s why in a two party system, both candidates position themselves towards the center.*

    What matters are underlying values, e.g. where the center lies ideologically. And that center is drifting towards the left. That’s why Trump, the big nationalist hope, spent a big chunk of his campaign pandering to blacks and Latinos. That’s why he is talking about big door in the wall, record low black unemployment etc.

    Where the values are going is decided by those who control the means of cultural production (education, MSM, Hollywood) and the means of cultural distribution (mostly tech giants like Goolag, Facebook, Twitter, YT, Amazon, Netflix). The internet has democratized cultural distribution. But that is being reversed now. Cultural production is still firmly in the hands of the ideological left. That’s why many conservatives stopped watching television altogether. It does not speak to us.

    *Admittedly this model is somewhat flawed. If the candidate is too centrist he will fail to mobilize his base and the election turnout will suffer. But for that to be true, the preference of the voters should not come from a single-peak distribution. USA likely does not have a single-peak distribution of political preferences:

  78. I think republicans will be encouraged enough, by this election, that they can get non black minority votes, that they will not put up a recount fight. I look at the WSJ editorial page every day. Shocking how quiet they are on the subject of Trump.

    Myself, I think the Trump deficit spending is terrible and will cause great harm. Since Trump and Biden both support the pending pandemic relief bill, I would rather Biden and democrats be the ones to sign their names to that terrible plan. Let the implosion of the economy be blamed on democrats.

  79. anonymous[267] • Disclaimer says:

    With 100% of Kenosha County reporting

    Biden: 47.7%
    Trump: 50.8%

    In 2016

    Hillary: 46.9%
    Trump: 47.2%

    White people appear not to find race riots encouraged by Democrats as repugnant as we would like to think at this blog. Some white conservatives even have come to believe that blacks deserve the occasional chance to whip them so whites can atone for the original sin of 1619.

  80. @Buzz Mohawk

    This sounds very depressing. The amount of intimidation and duress you feel under seems akin to living in some totalitarian state ( Yes, I did visit East Germany in the 1980s – so some experience there.)
    Obviously, they can impose this sort of regime in heavily “Democrat” urban and ex-urban areas. But America – physically at least – is still very much a rural country. I don’t really need to tell you that the inhabitants of these parts are Republican and heavily armed.
    When President Harris signs her Executive Order banning rifles and other firearms, then I think insurrection is on the cards. Other measures may also provoke this response. Also, there are large numbers of Reservists. Whilst most of the generals are at one with the Deep State, I don’t think most of the rank and file are.
    As I see it, America seems more like the Spanish Republic of 1936 than Dwight Eisenhower’s of 1956. I do hope Trump wins, but a Trump 2nd term may only be delaying the inevitable.

  81. Jack D says:
    @Desiderius

    I don’t understand how Fox News calling Arizona for Biden changed anything. The voting was over at that point. They could have called Alabama for Biden and it still wouldn’t change the result. The voters (and ultimately the courts) call the election, not Fox News. If Fox News says that it’s gonna rain tomorrow, that doesn’t cause or stop one drop of water from falling from the sky.

    Believe it or not, there is still some shred of integrity left in the news media. They were just making a prediction as they saw it (and probably a correct one). Just because they did not act as Trump shills does not mean that they are Judas.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • LOL: 3g4me, YetAnotherAnon
  82. Hey, Mr. iSteve, this SF Chronicle story is good fuel for your fire.

    And it led me to the realization that the phrase “reality is more complex” often means “there is an explanation, but not one we can say in public.”

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Oakland-pledged-to-cut-its-police-budget-in-half-15689857.php
    Collision in Oakland: Move to defund police meets homicide spike
    Inspired by Black Lives Matter, Oakland set a goal to cut its police budget in half. But the reality is more complex, with support dwindling in neighborhoods most affected by police abuses.

    Resident: “So you cut the police budget in half,” he said. “Then what?”

    Police chief: “The department’s position,” she said, “is, ‘We’re here. Our mission is fighting crime. We’re going to do it every day until someone tells us that an alternative is going to do it.’”

  83. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The ad says “browner” but the picture shows “oranger”. Trump must use QT self-tanning lotion or the equivalent.

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
  84. Svigor says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    What’s funny to anyone who keeps up with “Tedious” is that if Trump loses, he’s probably gonna lose by roughly the number of hard-core WNs in the country, a group that pulled HARD for him in 2016 and has largely abandoned him in 2020. The alt-right punched way above its weight in 2016 and literally put him over the top in that election. So it’ll be pretty rich if he loses by roughly the same amount he won in 2016, a scenario that the “Tedious” crowd have hypothesized more than once. It’ll make for some interesting dissident right narratives and memes.

    • Replies: @ThisIsAnon153Replying
  85. Anon[261] • Disclaimer says:

    One thing I’ve noticed. In 2016, Trump got 62.9 million votes, and he’s got 67.1 million so far. In 2016, Hillary had 65.8 million votes, and Biden’s got 69.6 million so far. Both Trump and Biden have managed to pull in, together, 8 million more votes than the last election. Gary Johnson and Jill Stein got 5.8 million votes in 2016 that are going to the main parties in 2020. This election has a massive turnout. It also indicates that Biden is a lot of more popular with Democrats than Hillary.

    If Biden wins, Hillary is going to be smashing the windows in a jealous rage.

  86. @Rosie

    Indeed, as the article you linked to says, “…Biden would be the first president in 32 years to come into office without control of Congress, another dynamic that would weaken claims of a mandate.”

    We are a divided country, more so than in a long time. Agreed, too, that “Trump needed to be punished,” but a Biden/HARRIS election does not speak well for the long run. We here already know this though. The demographic changes are the tea leaves we read.

    Moreover, our run-of-the-mill Republican senate doesn’t really support our point of view, and it will do nothing to slow or stop or reverse those changes.

  87. @Rosie

    I had several concerns about Trump winning. One is that the Deep State would continue to stymie him and punish the American people for voting for him. Plus if he wins in 2020, the Republicans almost certainly lose the Senate in 2022, and likely lose the Presidency in 2024. And in that case, the hell that Dems plan to unleash on the white middle class would be far worse. With a Biden victory in 2020 with the Pubs in control of the Senate, the Dems’ most radical ideas will be dead on arrival, and the Dems will do all sorts of things to shoot themselves in the foot, likely resulting in a red wave in 2022.

    • Replies: @Travis
  88. @Achmed E. Newman

    Secondly, were Trump to have ENCOURAGED rather than DISCOURAGED those white men (mostly men) who looked for him to stand up just the littlest bit for the White People, he may have picked up 5 or 10 MILLION more votes.

    I find this hard to believe. Trump did a fair amount for whites, maybe not as much as we’d like, but Biden and Harris have made it clear that they plan to go full-on anti-white. We’re going to have a racial reckoning. Of course the progressives are on board with that plan, but if any non-progressives whites weren’t motivated to vote for Trump they couldn’t care much about their future.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  89. Tiny Duck says:

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA

    YOU GUYS LOSE

    Prepare for the reckoning

    ITS OVER

    You got your asses beat and the consequences are going to be righteous and swift

    EAT IT

    CHOKE ON IT

  90. @JohnnyWalker123

    A Jewish&Black coup is underway.

    LOL Johnny, dial back the breathless drama queen bit.

    The coup was decades ago. And slow.

    We’ve been in the pot the water getting warmer and warmer and now more people are noticing the bubbles coming up from below.

    • Agree: Rob McX
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  91. @Jack D

    No limp-wristed fist for the LGBT community?

  92. El Dato says:
    @Jack D

    LOL @ “Why Christians should pay about Prop 16”

    Can it get more dismissive?

  93. Rooster10 says:

    At this point things seem pretty doom and gloom for Trump voters, but I’m not sure they necessarily should be. For one, MI is going to be very close either way, and in 2016 there was massive voter fraud uncovered in Detroit, that was essentially swept under the rug after the fact because the state didn’t matter. This time their should be high-beams on those precincts, and it would be likely that any audit will uncover fraudulent activities again; the exact same thing could be said for Philadelphia. NV is also extremely close, if Trump were to take that state in addition to PA, he wouldn’t even need MI or WI. There’s still some very realistic pathways for victory, and if AZ somehow comes back into play, I’d say there would be a massive odds-shift in Trumps favor.

    Remember, the first casualty of war is the truth. There’s going to be a lot of bad info coming out for a while.

    • Thanks: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Rosie
  94. Barnard says:
    @PhysicistDave

    The good news is that it looks as if the GOP retains control of the Senate. They can block most of the truly goofy ideas — packing the Court, admitting DC as a state, etc.

    List of Senators the GOP will need to rely on to vote in lockstep with them to block Biden agenda:
    Mitt Romney
    Susan Collins
    Lisa Murkowski
    Ben Sasse
    Thom Tillis
    Tim Scott
    Lindsay Graham

    A majority of this group will vote for huge increases in immigration and endless wars. A couple of them voting for statehood for Puerto Rico wouldn’t be surprising either, Marco Rubio is already on board with that, you can add him to the list. This isn’t much comfort.

  95. @LRFD

    It could go more or less as you’re predicting.

  96. Wilkey says:

    I said it before the election, and I’m saying it now: Trump losing this election may not be a terribly bad thing in the grand scheme of things – so long as Republicans can hold the Senate, which they appear to have done. The loss may be even easier to bear if Biden wins by what is literally the narrowest of possible margins, 270-268, which appears to still be a real possibility (the first time in history that D.C.’s three electoral votes have made a difference).

    Trump still remains a major liability. This country is probably heading for a recession. Parties in control of the White House tend to lose Senate and House seats in the mid-terms.

    Of course there is a lengthy list of advantages to holding the White House, like executive orders and judicial nominations. But if the Republican Senate holds together they can force Biden to make judicial appointments that are roughly 50/50.

    Trump can’t hold back the demographic tide forever, and he’s not doing a particularly good job of holding it back now. The only real way we’re going to save this country is if we have conservative leaders who will be there after Trump – maybe someone like Tom Cotton – who are less divisive and more capable of accomplishing what Trump hasn’t delivered on. If this country can’t survive under four years of Biden (or maybe Harris) held in check by a GOP senate majority then it can’t survive at all.

    • Agree: epebble
    • LOL: 3g4me
  97. Travis says:

    Trump lost. Could not get enough whites to vote for him. His shares of the white vote fell in 2020 compared to 2016. Too many white Trump voters passed away over the last 3 years, so he needed to increase the share of whites voting for him, yet the share of the white voting for the Democrats increased.

    In Pennsylvania alone 500,000 whites died since 2016. Most of the 500,000 white Pennsylvanians who passed away voted for Trump…they were replaced by mostly non-whites. The white population of PA fell below 80% this year, so he needed to get 58% of the white vote, and he failed to get 57% of them to vote for him.

    Steve is very concerned with homicides, yet in the entire State of Pennsylvania less than 800 have been murdered yearly over the last 4 years, while 6,000 died of drugs each year. Since Trump was elected four years ago there have been 3,200 homicides (mostly Black) , and 24,000 drug deaths (mostly white) in Pennsylvania. yet the white nationalist are more concerned with Black on Black violence. Yet 16 times as many whites die of drugs each year than from murder.

    The increase in Black homicides is not bad for whites. If it is of no concern to Blacks it certainly should not be of concern to white Americans. Whites who seek to avoid high crime areas just need to move away from Blacks. This is easily done , there are still many states and towns which have few Blacks. But the drug problem will kill an order of magnitude more whites than murder, which effects many more white families and thus the demographic decline of whites is accelerated. Drug users do not get married and have white children. So the white demographic decline is made worse by the current drug epidemic, which is soaring in Pennsylvania and Ohio, 2 states which are required for the GOP to survive.

    • Thanks: Voltarde
  98. @Jack D

    You just proved my point perfectly. Fox acts as cover for shenanigans. Same exact thing happened it ‘18. Back-rationalize it however you like, the obliviousness is the point.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  99. @RichardTaylor

    Bullshit. White people went for Biden. Actual good white people aren’t in to this laissez faire garbage. Ttump was the brown candidate in this election.

  100. @Wilkey

    Less divisive lol.

    You’re gonna get what you deserve.

  101. “The Nap Ministry”

    As of 8:46 am California time (Sorry haters: Californiacation is real. Stop fighting and embrace it.) Anyway, as of this Golden State morning it looks as if bioweapon + billionaire-funded racial terrorism + corrupt media + election chaos and voter fraud equals Prezident Kamala. You may find yourself repulsed by Kamala’s awful laugh. Embrace it. Don’t blame beautiful me; it’s Sailer’s doing. He’s the programmer of this simulation. He’s the guy who wants to plague your mind with images of Kamala and Willie Brown naked, engaged in coitus. The Nap Ministry featuring a giant black lady? Obviously a Steve Joint.

  102. Wilkey says:
    @Jack D

    Many Latinos are allergic to socialism…

    Mostly just the Cubans, who have experienced it, and who tend to be whiter than other Latinos, and weren’t raised in nations where hating “El Norte” was a thing.

    Also for Latino men, Trump is their kind of guy (the American Bolsonaro).

    Not really sure this is a good thing.

    We want effective and conservative leaders. Lately our Republican presidents have either been un-conservative (the two Bushes) or ineffective (Trump).

  103. as says:

    I live in Fulton county (north of Atlanta) and grew up in Gwinnett county. Gwinnett and Cobb were famous Republican counties.

    It’s startling to see the suburbs of Atlanta being blandly referred to as Democratic strongholds. Even 20 years ago, they weren’t.

  104. as says:

    They are stealing the election and the media is covering it up by saying “counting absentee ballots takes time.”

    Something has to be done to make voting fraud more difficult.

    I hope Trump doesn’t concede and fights these bogus results to the end.

    I went to bed at 2 am thinking Trump was going to win with leads in GA PA WI MI and NC.

    • Replies: @Charles St. Charles
  105. @AnotherDad

    “breathless drama queen bit”

    You are such a fount of wisdom delivered with manly authority. How could anyone doubt you?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  106. Wilkey says:

    Anyway, if Biden wins, have we ever at any point in American history elected a president who was more likely to die or or become incapacitated during his term?

    In two weeks Joe Biden will be 78 years old – and not a young 78, either. People at that age can putter along for a while, sure. But it’s also the age where your condition can descend quite rapidly, for any number of reasons. Even if Joe Biden stays in the job the real president will by the grasping people around him.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @epebble
    , @anon
  107. I’m doing my best to stay frosty. I want Trump to win, but I’m prepared for him to lose.

    Biden disgusts me. He really does. Any country that allows scum like him to rise anywhere near the top isn’t worth defending.

    What a fucking joke this whole election campaign has been. Just one big crock of shit.

    Well, in the long run, we are all dead, so whatever. Maybe we’re living in a multiverse of infinite possibilities and this is just one of the shittier scenarios. Maybe we’ll destroy ourselves and the cockroaches will evolve opposable thumbs and colonize the galaxy.

    Or maybe we’ll get lucky and things will work out. We’ll see.

    • Agree: Svigor
    • LOL: Voltarde
    • Replies: @Voltarde
    , @Eric Novak
  108. Rosie says:

    Still waiting for the results. It seems to me every second that goes by makes this more suspicious. Is anyone else thinking what I’m thinking?

  109. Old Prude says:

    It pisses me off to see the liberal transplants from NY, NJ CT and MA moving to VT NH and ME bringing their wrong-headed ideas with them. They’ve fouled their own nest, making it unlivable, so they’ve fled here to trash these states, too.

  110. @Rosie

    My wife voted for Biden because she was tired of listening to Trump for four years. (Don’t ask me why she CHOSE to tune in and listen). How long do you think it’ll take for her to get tired of hearing me say, “I told you so!”?

  111. @Desiderius

    “Boomercons meeting a fitting end”

    Trump’s ultimate achievement is the death of Bush-Romney Republicanism. With the collapse of Trump’s cult of personality will the GOP pathetically attempt to stitch together the remnants of what Trump destroyed? Will Paul Ryan make a triumphant return to the stage, hugging deep state servant Lyndsey Graham, assuring the cons and neocons that the bad orange populist nightmare is over? Welcome to oblivion, Boomercons.

  112. @Jack D

    On this point, Steve gets credit. Mexicans don’t want to be part of “The Black Party”. They were repulsed by The Summer of George. Trump also showed that their votes are not dependent on open borders policies.

  113. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Maybe Trump deserved to be “punished” (personally I don’t think so) but what did the rest of us do to deserve Biden and Harris? We are going to be “punished” alongside Trump even though we are innocent. Trump is a very rich man and can probably afford the punishment (if he manages to stay out of jail) but most of us don’t have Trump’s resources.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Redman
  114. It’s almost as if heavily Democratic districts tend to be late to report their results. Is that because heavily Democratic districts tend to be more inept at simple vote-counting or more adroit at complex vote-manipulation, or both?

    Well, you are tired, aren’t you Steve?

    If you’re not the last to report, how do you know how many you need?
    If your poll counters aren’t too bright you could end up with more votes than people as in Detroit in 2016.

    Sleep well.

  115. Travis says:
    @Wilkey

    you make some good points. Trump was neutered from the moment he won. Not sure if any GOP President could reduce immigration more than Trump did. Yet even if the Wall was built and we eliminated the Diversity visa, eliminated H1B visas and reduced immigration by 80% whites would still be a minority by 2040. Now it will happen by 2039.

    The courts stopped Trump from cutting funding to sanctuary cities, Stopped him from enforcing the 1996 immigration bill, which made is more difficult to deport illegal aliens. The courts preventing Trump from reversing DACA. The courts struck down a key immigration rule from 1996 that would deny green cards to immigrants who use food stamps or other public benefits, which Trump was trying to enforce.

    Basically Trump was stopped by the courts from implementing the rule of law and was prevented from reversing executive orders issued by Obama. The courts will continue to keep our borders open, which guarantees whites will be a minority by 2039. Four more years of Trump may have extended the White Majority until 2041. So we would have gained 3 more years , at most. Since it is now inevitable that whites will be a minority in less than 20 years, better to get used to it and adjust. Move to white areas, abandon Democratic states now, so your children have an opportunity to live among whites and better opportunity to marry whites so you may have white grandchildren.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    , @Hangnail Hans
  116. BB753 says:
    @Jack D

    If I were gay and into fisting, it would make me tingle and blush.

  117. @LRFD

    I know what the Romans felt in the time of Caesar

    Thing is which Caesar? Because Augustus + the next couple hundred years was pretty swell for most of Rome even though all the smart guys knew the end was just around the corner. In the long run we all are dead and the pertinent detail is the unknown precise delta-t which subs in there for long.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  118. It looks like of the states yet to finish counting, NV , WI and MI will go Biden while PA, NC, GA, AK and ME-2 will go Trump, which would make it 270-268 Biden.

    If you pick through the various CIS reports on the topic, the fact that illegal immigrants and their children are counted for the purpose of apportionment, in itself delivers 3-6 net EV to Biden.

    So illegal immigrants could well prove to be the margin of victory for Biden, without even getting into whether some of them managed to vote.

    • Thanks: Voltarde
  119. BB753 says:
    @Wilkey

    What makes you think that Biden can survive four more years, being 78 years old and having suffered an aneurism years ago? Why, he could drop dead tonight from an aneurism if he loses!

  120. @RichardTaylor

    To ask the question is to answer it.

  121. Marat says:
    @Altai

    What’s with the sing-song dullard delivery? Are the toddlers self-gaslighting?

  122. Currahee says:
    @RichardTaylor

    During the Vietnam war, many RVN rangers and special forces types displayed a tattoo:
    {translated} “Loyalty pays, treachery too.”
    Think about it.

  123. @AndrewR

    Not enough evidently, or rather his abject adoration was correctly perceived as weakness and exploited.

    Should have protected Kanye.

  124. @Wilkey

    “Trump still remains a major liability. “

    The best is the enemy of the good – where’s your ideal candidate? How would he get there given that the GOP is almost as corrupt as the Dems? He ripped them up because he didn’t depend on them. Trump isn’t just the best they’ve got – he’s the only one they’ve got.

    We really need a “Cretin” button for posts like yours.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Wilkey
  125. @Jack D

    We’re not innocent, Jack.

    Civilizations don’t run on autopilot.

    • Agree: Rosie
  126. @Wilkey

    Biden wasn’t elected, the interagency consensus was elected. By, of, and for themselves.

  127. @Buzz Mohawk

    Moreover, our run-of-the-mill Republican senate doesn’t really support our point of view, and it will do nothing to slow or stop or reverse those changes.

    I also fear the GOPer Senate will double-down on their Washington Generals routine if the fraud works.

  128. Anon[326] • Disclaimer says:

    It seems like they stopped counting in the middle of the night so they could study the situation and determine how many Biden ballots they would need to produce by the next morning. This stinks.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  129. bomag says:
    @Flip

    I thought it was interesting that California voted down bringing back racial preferences.

    Plenty of federal AA everywhere. They probably figure they have enough.

  130. Altai says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Biden looks like he will get 270 on the dot. Trump could have still won if he’d kept Arizona but Hispanic immigration put the kibosh on that.

    But Trump could still have won if he’d kept the states that defected from the Democrats in 2016, Wisconsin and Michigan. And he couldn’t do rally politics there at the last minute. People there don’t actually like Florida Trump, they don’t go around in pickup truck caravans with Israeli flags.

    He needed to have delivered much more and more importantly be seen to have delivered much more on the terms of immigration restriction and industrial policy. And for gods sake, he needed to say, ‘No, tax cuts for the rich at this time are disgusting’.

    Trump isn’t actually so stupid, he could have had little fireside chats to the nation to describe and create a kind of ‘Trumpian’ ideology.

    He needed to campaign as 2016 Trump not as exactly what the media wanted him to be, a kind of George Bush caricature. He needed to constantly reinforce what he had done on economic issues but all too often he seemed content to let the media strike up purely ‘racism’ culture wars around him.

    The Republicans can’t win elections anymore unless they embrace those two states. That was the whole reason Trump won in 2016. How could they forget this?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @epebble
    , @anon
  131. Jack D says:
    @Desiderius

    The NY Times has not called Arizona yet – you would think that they would want to be in on the conspiracy. Biden ahead around 100,000 votes in AZ and Kelly the Dem Senate candidate even further ahead. AZ is full of CA refugees who bring their Leftist politics with them. Sedona might as well be Malibu. This is not Barry Goldwater’s AZ anymore.

    I don’t even know what “acting as cover” means. 100,000 votes is an awful lot of shenanigans. Trump is not a meek cuck and is not going to allow himself to get rolled if indeed there are shenanigans. Taking it as a “betrayal” by Fox means the opposite – he is even more likely to contest the result.

    If there are shenanigans, please tell me who is doing them and where and how and how many votes they have stolen. Hand waving is not enough.

  132. anon[791] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai

    The Trump campaign is all but certain to demand a recount in Wisconsin.
    The margin is close enough it would be difficult for election officials to refuse.

  133. utu says:
    @Jack D

    “Polling is completely worthless ” – 2016 polls got the result right in states Trump lost but Trump outperformed polls by 5% where he was expected to win and by 2% in swing states. This tells me it was not the ‘shy Trump voter’ effect because one would expect it to manifest itself in states Trump lost as well. I would rather side with the hypothesis that some bias and hard effort to produce desirable results for Hillary was at play. So if Trump voters are not shy where he does not win why are they shy where he wins?

    In 2020 some polls underestimated Trump by 10% in WI, FL and OH. Also in 2016 Hillary was ahead by 10-14% at some point but one week before election some polls began to correct and getting closer to the election result but media did not correct their pro Hillary triumphalism.

  134. anon[791] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey

    In two weeks Joe Biden will be 78 years old – and not a young 78

    Joe Biden right now is about the same age Ronald Reagan was when he left the White House. It is likely he will be in a hospital sometime in the next 12 to 18 months regardless of the election outcome.

    Jack D
    AZ is full of CA refugees who bring their Leftist politics with them.

    This is true, and such people are much more likely to donate money and time to politics than the average 1st generation Mestizo. White flight out of California since the 80’s or maybe earlier is like people fleeing the black plague in the 14th century – they carry with them the disease they fear.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  135. Redman says:
    @Jack D

    If Trump loses, why not run again in 2024?

  136. Nico says:
    @PhysicistDave

    I’d be more reassured if not for the fact that losing an election such as this will come with consequences for the losing faction and for the societal matrix of its electoral base. You saw what the GOP establishment did to Steve King: a Trump loss will serve as vindication for that frontal knife attack. That Trump is hardly as friendly to white nationalism as King is rather beside the point: King is a symbol of the pro-Trump America the Democratic Party and the Country Club hate. So even if we suppose a financial meltdown destroys a Biden/Harris presidency and rockets the GOP back into power in 2024, I don’t see much reason to suppose it will be much more interesting than the milquetoast right that has dominated opposition to the destructor since at least FDR. In which case we’re back where we were in the W years, with the demographic tide even higher.

    • Agree: Dissident
  137. epebble says:
    @Altai

    He could have also worn a mask and asked people to do the same and Biden would be planning which Senior Care center to join today morning.

    If Ands Buts Were Candy And Nuts, Then Every Day Would Be Christmas.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  138. Altai says:

    Looks like at least on example for the late surge for Biden is due to an intentional or accidental typo.

    • Agree: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @res
  139. anon[169] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai

    He needed to constantly reinforce what he had done on economic issues but all too often he seemed content to let the media strike up purely ‘racism’ culture wars around him.

    The Republicans can’t win elections anymore unless they embrace those two states.

    A major cause of our current problems is that America’s rich long ago declared war on working middle class Americans. Conservatives in the Republican party championed this and went along with this. The Wall Street/Bush conservatives will never ally themselves with Wisconsin and Michigan factory workers. Trump the Populist made overtures to them but working in the Republican apparatus he couldn’t deliver.
    If owners and employees can’t make a political accommodation with each other they will fight it out. Race and Culture become the weapons in that fight. Next thing you know, Kamala Harris is your President.
    There is lots of blame to go around. I’m no fan of the New Deal coalition and Jimmy Hoffa. But we need pro-jobs, pro-worker, pro-family income politics. Republicans have been against that all my life. Republicans were all too happy to ship the jobs overseas.

    • Agree: Voltarde
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  140. @Guy De Champlagne

    Was this because people were scared to tell pollsters what they really thought?

    Frank Luntz seemed to suggest that mean, bad people were screwing with the pollsters. Scott Adams seems to believe that might be hilariously true. The point is, if “professional” pollsters can’t figure out how to reliably measure the public opinion, then what is the point of having professional pollsters.

    Interestingly, the data feeds of Twatter, FaceBag, et al would have been able to five a more accurate read if they had not been throttled. Hmmmm.

  141. Anon[128] • Disclaimer says:

    Aggressive foreign policy back on table. Wars more likely.
    Wanna fight Chinese and Russian soldiers?

    Then sign up now white men. Bill Kristol will lend you his pen to write your name. We will ship your job to China first so that you will be unemployed, so your choice to serve will be easy.

  142. CCZ says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    …is there a better country in the WORLD to be a black woman?

    And getting even better for them:

    “After Biden becomes president, when he dies or resigns or is removed with the 25th Amendment when the Democrats turn on him, Harris will become president. But that is not the scary thought. The scary thought is that Harris picks as her VP Michelle Obama. The media would be ecstatic if two black women ran the country.”

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/a-scary-thought/

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
  143. The Democrats have “won” based on mass voter fraud that is so obvious that it cannot be denied. Expect mass censorship and propaganda on an unprecedented scale to try to justify this theft. This is a sad, sad day for America.

    https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2020/11/04/michigan-ballots-n274829

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @S. Anonyia
    , @theMann
  144. Elsewhere says:
    @Jack D

    Why the heck does that graphic show the forearm bones as if they are skeletons?? Creepy!

  145. Sean says:

    We may not see Donald Trump’s like again, but what brought him down is familiar to a student of history. Trump’s grandfather was only 49 when he was killed by the 1918 Influenza pandemic, which was courtesy of the same country that brought us COVID-19, Fentanyl, the Vietnam disaster and the bloody stalemate in Korea. Before that:

    In 1949, the fall of the Kuomintang government was widely viewed within the United States as a catastrophe. The author William Manchester remembered the public reaction in 1949 in his 1973 book The Glory and the Dream:

    “The China it knew—Pearl Buck’s peasants, rejoicing in the good earth—had been dependable, democratic, warm and above all pro-American. Throughout the great war the United Nations Big Four had been Churchill, Roosevelt, Stalin and Chiang. Stalin’s later treachery had been deplorable but unsurprising. But Chiang Kai-shek! Acheson’s strategy to contain Red aggression seemed to burst wide open…Everything American diplomats had achieved in Europe—the Truman Doctrine, the Marshall Plan, NATO—momentarily seemed annulled by this disaster in Asia.”[5]

    China was the downfall of the Democratic presidents. Nixon treated with them and in effect, though everyone knew it was waking a giant potential that could crush the West , capitulated to China’s rise. China is a fundamentally alien culture, Western concepts of empathy and individual rights mean nothing to them. China also is a reservoir of diseases, which they have more resistance to, that have destroyed whole civilizations in the West who were foolish enough to open up to them. Biden has repeatedly and publicly said that he does not consider China any kind of competition, let alone threat. So they win.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  146. Jack D says:
    @Morton's toes

    That’s a ridiculous photoshop. Everyone knows that Biden drives a ‘vette, not a Firebird.

  147. Mike Tre says:
    @PhysicistDave

    And remember what came after Hoover…

  148. epebble says:
    @anon

    Recount is automatic (and free) at 0.1% ; At 0.25%, Loser can request and pays the cost. I think they can refuse at > 0.25%.

    At 3.24 Million votes, 0.1% = 3,240 ; 0.25% = 8,100.

    Present difference: ~ 20,000

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/524464-scott-walker-suggests-bidens-wisconsin-lead-too-big-for-recount

  149. Travis says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    Biden will be granting amnesty to 20 million illegal aliens if he wins. Nearly impossible for another GOP president after the borders are swung open.

  150. Dissident says:
    @Corn

    In a society with voters this decadent and vapid Trump is only delaying the inevitable.

    Well, okay, but couldn’t the same be said about everything that every mortal being does to stay alive?

    Life is a terminal condition. It’s not if but when
    ~ ~ ~
    NY Times now declares Wisconsin for Biden (i.e., Harris). “+0.6 margin; >98% estimated votes reported.”

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  151. @Ben tillman

    My wife voted for Biden because she was tired of listening to Trump for four years. (Don’t ask me why she CHOSE to tune in and listen). How long do you think it’ll take for her to get tired of hearing me say, “I told you so!”?

    That’s because there are huge swaths of womanhood, your wife likely among them, that lead with their “feelz” and not with their brains.

    Trump may lose due to voter fraud, but none of this would be an issue if 5-8% of the women who voted against Trump had the self-awareness to say, “You know, all the girls really hate the philandering adulterous pussy grabbing braggart, but the other guy is a walking corpse and stealth candidate for the disgusting combination of the Deep State, George Soros, and the Chinese Communist Party.”

    But that would require them to have a rational thought process that can accurately assess tradeoffs, instead of an inflamed hind brain.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  152. Alright, it is too early to tell, just two observations…..

    As far as I can see, it is surprising how many blacks & Latinos voted for Trump. Seems that there is a non-negligible percentage of them who are fed up with chaos & identity politics. Of course, this is not too big a part, but, still …..

    Also- how whites are, percentage-wise, dumb or cowed or, perhaps, actually deranged. Both east & west coast, especially those areas where riots happened, plus idiotic New England, a paradise for fools.

    Unbelievable….

  153. Dumbo says:
    @Corn

    Yes, it’s true. And in California voters decided to give voting rights to prisoners.

    It’s all rotten.

    But then again, isn’t it all going “according to plan” – considering that the plan was the book “Brave New World”? Free drugs (“soma”) and sex, all kinds of perversions, but a rigid caste society where those on top remain forever on top.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  154. @Bugg

    the more immigrants that become citizens in a state, more likely states are to vote Democrat.

    I think this is a two-pronged pincer, with the other prong being the Commiefornian locusts that have moved to and ruined several Western states.

    • Agree: Bugg
  155. Dumbo says:
    @Altai

    Yeah a “typo”… More likely, an attempt to “well, if it sticks…”

  156. @Justvisiting

    Here’s a Supreme in back. Plus one of the great black gospel voices, Patti Labelle.

  157. bomag says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Perhaps the country can learn who the Leftists really are…

    Nah.

    They’ve had Moses and the prophets.

  158. Delay = Daley.

    Note the resemblance of Sir Topham’s drivers to Richard Gephardt (who is younger than Dianne Feinstein or even Nancy Pelosi, and a touch older than Bernie):

  159. @Anon

    When Carter gutted the CIA, or thought he gutted the CIA, they decided to run a covert overthrow on the United States of America. It was kind of a no-brainer in hindsight. Who was going to stop them?

  160. Whiskey says: • Website

    President Biden and Harris are owned by China as us Big Tech. So expect to see fossil fuel outlawed, a White tax, gun confiscation, meat outlawed, Blacks given even more privileges and Whiteys purged.

    Preparory to China simply taking over North America as lebensraum.

    Thats the Whole point. Collapse America. Kill all the Whiteys and Hispanics. Rule with blacks. As woke figureheads.

  161. Douglas Murray, one of the prophets of the decline of the West, also voiced his opinion….

    • Thanks: The Wild Geese Howard
  162. @anon

    The Wall Street/Bush conservatives will never ally themselves with Wisconsin and Michigan factory workers.

    Labor is one of the easiest costs to monitor and reduce.

    The DIE-versity tax from outsourcing your 737Max fly-by-wire algorithms to $9-an-hour Indians?

    That’s hard!

  163. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    At some point, the Left was going to take the Presidency — if not now, then in 2024 or 2028.

    No. The game is almost over. The Democrats can’t make payroll, hence can’t maintain their coalition. “Defund the Police” was a desperate attempt to shift money to a city bureaucracy that is the current refuge of the Black middle class (more properly, the Black intelligentsia).

    Even if Biden wins, the Democrats cannot meet payroll.

    Note the comment by fnn, above, https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=fnn . The Antifa are threatening people who posted a Biden/Harris sign. The apparent grievance is that the mob lacks the house it is threatening, although the form of the protest is that industrial society is not just to mob members in that it has not place for them.

    This will become much more common when the current Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) bubble breaks. Absent MMT, not only will there be no new patronage jobs, but many of the current patronage jobs will be defunded, let’s say. fnn’s comment shows that this change will not be accepted peacefully. Fortunately the range of the rejection’s violence will be restricted to cities and suburbs.

    Money is the mother’s milk of politics. No money => starved baby. there will be nobody who could help in an MMT bubble burst without starving themselves or their relatives. With nobody to help, the patronage job / political coalition baby can die.

  164. @Redneck farmer

    Yes, he did. I only learned of his great humanitarian efforts recently.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  165. huisache says:

    interesting voting by hispanics in Texas. South Texas is famously hispanic and democratic yet Zapata county on the Rio Grande went for Trump. So did several others in the neighborhood. Why? Because the population is heavily employed by the oil industry, specifically in the Eagle Ford Shale areas.

    They heard Biden talk about renewables and phasing out oil and gas and decided maybe to vote their own interests. What a shock!!!

    If you look at the counties where there are majority anglo populations the vote for the Trump was greater but the fact that Biden was not running up huge numbers in the small counties full of hispanics hurt him badly.

    Still, his share of the vote here was down from four years ago and about a third the margin Romney had. If the GOP had run a moderately conservative candidate they would have mowed the dems down.

    Dems continue to shoot themselves in the mouth with catering to their various factions.

  166. If Creepy Joe Lockdowns is declared the winner, y’all can take off your Biden rally diapers and say good sweet bye to the CoronaHoax.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
  167. J.Ross says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Trump’s lawyers will fight. They are already requesting recounts. The Democrats clearly cheated and an honest process will work.

    • Agree: James Speaks
  168. A most significant word in the Twelfth Amendment:

    The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President

    In other words, you don’t need 270 if any states withhold or are rejected. You need a majority of the electors remaining.

    Pennsylvania, Georgia, North Carolina, Wisconsin, and Arizona have Republican legislatures, or at least did as of 2018. (It could be the new legislatures that certify electors, and states may differ in when those are seated.)

    If their vote totals are “won” by Biden, but sufficiently murky and questionable, these states can withhold their Certificates of Ascertainment. That’s 72 electors for these five states. 538-72=466.

    Trump could win with only 234. If he doesn’t have that, the election goes to the House, where the Republicans still have the majority they need.

    Don’t believe me? Read the sentence that follows the one above.

    • Thanks: J.Ross, Chrisnonymous, Rob McX
  169. @JohnnyWalker123

    Yep. Trump should have pandered more to Hispanics instead. He barely pandered at all and got 2004-like numbers from Hispanics in the South and Midwest. Imagine if he’d made more of an effort…

    I knew this would happen, FL/OH win but narrow national loss.

    Also at the margins Trump lost some white male voters under 30 and over 65, while gaining or holding ground among all other groups. Everyone thought suburban women would turn against him in droves but he did a little better among them than last time. They like boat parties and brunch, not riots.

    As for the Senior citizens- they must like hearing Grandpa Joe’s stories about Cornpop. And as for the young white men, I told y’all there was a small but not insignificant portion of them who want a communist revolution so they can riot. They had a lot of fun rioting in places like Wisconsin. But illogically unlike their black “comrades” they did not steal, only broke stuff.

  170. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Does it have to do with Senate’s ability to keep the craziness in check?

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  171. @anon

    Yah, especially because the vote tally exceeds the number of registered voters in WI. That, as Millennialtards like to say, is problematic.

  172. Currahee says:
    @Travis

    Re. drug problem solution: see Battle of Algiers.

  173. @Ben tillman

    Hoover did a lot of good before he became an elected president, though. The next president won’t have that on their record.

    Yes, he did. I only learned of his great humanitarian efforts recently.

    A PBS documentary even admitted he probably saved more lives than any other man who ever lived. No president deserved a (genuine) Nobel Peace Prize more than he did.

    Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again!

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Flip
  174. @Hypnotoad666

    Jack Dorsey is public enemy number one for me now. With his disgusting beard and nose ring, he’s got to be into some weird shit. Hopefully he eventually gets exposed as being just as much of a con artist as Keith Raniere.

  175. LondonBob says:
    @Anon

    Biden’s vote totals prove the fraud, no one was that enthusiastic for him. Impressive vote steal operation, Arizona called for Biden then everything stops and the vote dumps begin.

  176. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Travis

    But the drug problem will kill an order of magnitude more whites than murder, which effects many more white families and thus the demographic decline of whites is accelerated.

    Deaths of despair are a predictable response to a society that has no place for the person who suicides. The 1964 Civil Rights Act (CRA) as interpreted, means that there is no place in the United States for Whites. Every other group is authorized to take whatever the Whites have as “social justice” or “restorative justice”.
    So: if you want to change the “drug problem”, which is usually suicide by drugs, you’ll have to revoke the 1965 CRA. That would be a very basic change, which gives some idea of just how thorough the approaching reorganization will be.
    Alternately, if the CRA is not abolished, the the US will continue to industrialize (as capital expenditures are diverted to immediate consumption), and the reorganization will be as or more thorough as abolishing the CRA.
    To take a metaphor, we have all been drifting downstream, but the sound of white water is getting louder. Please try to remember what you know about traversing rapids.

  177. Hibernian says:
    @Jack D

    Votes were discarded because the ballots were marked with Sharpies, I don’t know how many.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  178. Anon87 says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    After it seemed like everyone finally saw the uselessness of polls, all I see today is analysis of exit polls like it is real hard data. People never learn.

  179. Anon[261] • Disclaimer says:

    Quote from a commentator on Conservative Treehouse:

    “Rudolf Giuliani admitted this morning on Steve Bannon’s War Room that the campaign’s legal team was caught off guard. According to him, when Michigan and various other States announced that they were suspending vote tabulation until sometime the following day, they accepted this at face value, rather than immediately going to court seeking injunctions against the suspensions and court orders to impound all remaining ballots. The jurisdictions in question, however, continued their tabulations, in secret, and within little more than an hour had “discovered” hundreds of thousands of Biden ballots while no one was looking.”

  180. Wilkey says:
    @Travis

    Since it is now inevitable that whites will be a minority in less than 20 years, better to get used to it and adjust. Move to white areas, abandon Democratic states now, so your children have an opportunity to live among whites and better opportunity to marry whites so you may have white grandchildren.

    I agree with most of this, except the part about abandoning Democratic states. Conservatives should feel free to move to wherever we bloody well please. If enough of us move there we could someday turn it. You don’t see liberals saying they won’t move to Arizona or Texas. No, they move there and now those states are in play.

    Live where you want.

    Improve your knowledge and skills.

    Get a good job.

    If you aren’t married, then get married.

    If you’re married, have some kids.

    If you already have kids have a few more.

    Raise them to be proud of Western Civilization, and America.

    Point out to them how much the Left hates them.

    Encourage them to get a great education, but not to believe the anti-white hate.

    Conservatives need to stop abandoning a state or an institution everytime we feel it’s moving left. We need to have the confidence that we can win it back. We need to stay in the fight, not run.

    And if we don’t “win”? At least we stayed in the fight and had a great life. That’s all you can really do.

    • Replies: @Corn
  181. res says:
    @Jack D

    If there are shenanigans, please tell me who is doing them and where and how and how many votes they have stolen. Hand waving is not enough.

    The 140,000 MI votes mentioned in comment 36 (all Biden, 0 for anyone else including Trump) are a good start. Any thoughts on that?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  182. Nico says:
    @Bugg

    As late as 2000 the New York Times still had a deontological enough view of American law and American institutions to concede that its support for the 1986 act had been misguided and argued that further amnesties would only encourage further illegal entries.

    Now of course that the AP wire is the print wing of Antifa (with the Democratic Party being the political wing), the ends justify any means.

  183. Wilkey says:
    @epebble

    Biden is now officially older than Ronald Reagan was on his last day in office.

    • Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat
  184. res says:
    @Altai

    That typo does not explain the 140k Biden votes vs. none for Trump in comment 36. Unless they somehow submitted the correct numbers for Biden (and everyone else) first then resubmitted the “typo” afterwards.

    • Replies: @Altai
  185. @Altai

    Altai, are you sure that the store wasn’t looted. One more time for old time’s sake.

  186. Wilkey says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The best is the enemy of the good – where’s your ideal candidate? How would he get there given that the GOP is almost as corrupt as the Dems?

    One thing I’ve noticed about conspiracy theorists is that in their view the game is always rigged and can never be won, except for maybe, just maybe, by one knight on a white horse.

    If the game is so rigged against us then there’s no reason to bother even trying. We lose now, or we lose four years from now, when Trump leaves office.

    I choose to believe that there may be Republican leaders out there who are on the right side of the issues but temperamentally better suited to win more of the country. If there aren’t then we’re screwed.

    So you’re the cretin with the defeatist attitude, not me.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  187. @Jack D

    Point is, it’s a signal

    From the deep state.

    As soon as fox called az the upper midwest stopped counting. Just like in 18 when fox called some obscure race in kentucky and then it all went to shit.

    These people speak in codes. “When fox calls Arizona, do this”

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
  188. @Svigor

    Hes supposedly down 5% with white males. That’s basically the alt right. Had he kept his white male support in the rust belt it would have been a blowout.

    That said I dont trust the result – why did he do so well in Ohio but not Michigan? Obvious fraud.

    But yeah, hearing trump go on about record black unemployment at every rally is a turn off.

  189. Jack D says:
    @res

    There was a point where there was a decimal error – 15,xxx votes were recorded as 15x,xxx and then the error was discovered and it was backed off. This comes out to 135,xxx votes. I don’t know if this is the same thing but I suspect it might be.

    Trump’s people are not asleep. They are looking for stuff like this and will not let it go by unnoticed. There are R pollwatchers bussed in from the suburbs at all the Detroit counting centers.

    When you do a recount, normally the numbers shift by hundreds at most. Trump is running tens of thousands behind in WI and MI. Frankly it’s not looking good for him in those states.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @res
  190. @Travis

    Iirc drug overdose deaths leveled out and even declined a bit under trump

    But I’m sure they’re back up now.

    The quiet poisoning of white people with drugs by our elites is what makes me the angriest. Way more drug deaths than covid but not a peep because most victims are white.

    I honestly have no window into the drug addicted whites lives; I am upper middle class and dont know a single opioid addict. Something bad must be going on.

  191. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    By MI you mean Detroit and by WI — the state which saw ballots burned in a building fire during a state election — real examples of honesty. The advantage in WI is less than a oercent and will be recounted. Arizona has been uncalled due to a similar “error” and an Arizonan official has asked media to not call them yet (Grauniad is ignoring this). Trump will fight.

  192. vinteuil says:

    This is the perfect result, beyond my wildest dreams.

    The Dems seize the (mostly ceremonial) office of the presidency – but only through chicanery so blatant, so in-your-face, that even the normies will have to wake up & smell the coffee…

    …and then I woke up.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    , @res
  193. @Ben tillman

    Does it have to do with Senate’s ability to keep the craziness in check?

    Possibly.

    However, new reports out of Michigan claim enough ballots have been ‘found’ to reverse John James’ (R) apparent Senate win.

    I hate this timeline.

  194. res says:
    @Jack D

    There was a point where there was a decimal error – 15,xxx votes were recorded as 15x,xxx and then the error was discovered and it was backed off. This comes out to 135,xxx votes. I don’t know if this is the same thing but I suspect it might be.

    That’s what people are saying, but the logic does not work. Correcting that typo would decrease Biden’s vote total. Try describing a scenario using that typo which results in a big block of votes going to Biden rather than being subtracted from him. (in an earlier comment I proposed no typo version submitted, then “typo” only changed, then typo removed. Which I find implausible. The second step is where the block of almost 140k Biden votes would have appeared, and then disappeared again in the third step)

    Trump’s people are not asleep. They are looking for stuff like this and will not let it go by unnoticed. There are R pollwatchers bussed in from the suburbs at all the Detroit counting centers.

    Right. This is where things might get interesting. Remember 2016 where there were accusations of fraud in MI:
    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/
    That all went away once it was clear it did not matter.

    When you do a recount, normally the numbers shift by hundreds at most. Trump is running tens of thousands behind in WI and MI. Frankly it’s not looking good for him in those states.

    I agree. My best guess at this point is Trump has lost barring some PROOF of massive fraud.

    Proof and legally justifiable conclusions aside, do you think this election was stolen through fraud? Because it sure looks that way to me.

    This year has been a clown show. And it looks like the “fun” is only beginning.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  195. @Abolish_public_education

    A-B-E, our school district always has the school budget election in the HS gym. The gym is then full of student art, some quite good, and a student string quartet playing classical music while seated in a far corner. The message, not so subtle, is always the same…pass the budget or no art or music. A few years ago a local developer, who owned a piece of property across from the HS, had a billboard erected with photos of senior citizens and the message,”Say no to more school taxes.” Billboard was defaced, but the budget was defeated. Sadly, the school district makes sure all students who are 18 or older get time in the class day to vote. So, graduating senior gets a vote, but a business owner with no residence in the town gets no vote, just a school tax bill.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  196. @Hibernian

    Votes were discarded because the ballots were marked with Sharpies, I don’t know how many.

    I watched the video clip. The two women in it don’t come off like crisis actors, they seem real.

    However, the Maricopa county Board of Elections are claiming Sharpies are fine to mark ballots.

    I can see a scenario where the Sharpie ink bled laterally outside the oval to a degree that might confuse the scanner into a NULL result.

  197. theMann says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Add this to your reference:

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/chaos-mystery-votes-cast-doubt-on-us-election/

    The first 10 minutes precisely encapsulate how massive the Dems vote fraud effort is.

  198. Whiskey says: • Website

    Robert Reich is calling for show trials and camps for Trump supporters and particularly White men.

    Beto O’Rourke is now in charge of gun confiscation. Biden apparently is all in for repaitions and a White tax is coming.

  199. Corn says:
    @Wilkey

    You don’t see liberals saying they won’t move to Arizona or Texas. No, they move there and now those states are in play.

    Amen. No more white (conservative) flight. Time for white unite.

    Young men should learn a trade. It’s cheaper than college.

    Stop playing with Tinderellas and marry early. Raise good-and multiple- children.

    Instead of retreating and leaving more and more parts of the electoral map blue, let Democrats thirty or forty years from now worry about the red wave spilling into blue states.

    It looks like our side will be eating a lot of s—t sandwiches in the short term future, we better prepare for the long term future. The future belongs to the people who show up for it.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    , @Wilkey
  200. vinteuil says:
    @vinteuil

    More seriously, everybody really should listen to Curtis Yarvin (AKA Mencius Moldbug)’s recent talk with Chris Buskirk.

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/through-gray-mirror-talking-about-future-curtis-yarvin/id1462008863?i=1000493154279

    He knows our ruling class from the inside, and tells…a lot.

  201. Mr. Anon says:
    @Thomas

    There might be a red jump lying under that blue jump (it’s obscured by the blue curve, so you can’t tell), which would be consistent with a big dollop of votes from heavily democratic precincts. If there is no step-increase in the red curve, then – yes – that’s suspicious.

  202. fnn says:
    @fnn

    One and a half hours between the Wisconsin and Michigan vote dumps.

    • Agree: L. Guapo
    • Thanks: Morton's toes
  203. Mr. Anon says:
    @Rosie

    Trump needed to be punished.

    Not as much as the Democratic Party needs it.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  204. Jack D says:
    @res

    I assume there is always some quantity of fraud in big city voting. There always has been. The question is whether there was more than usual this year? Mail in ballots provide a new avenue for fraud over and above the traditional ways.

    But the biggest “fraud” is the legal one – that urban blacks and the Dem. party have made an ironclad devil’s bargain with each other – votes in exchange for gib me dats – which creates a thumb on the scale for every state with a big city. It’s like a golf handicap. Every D candidate starts out X points ahead even before the first ballot is cast.

    • Replies: @res
  205. anon[406] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    If the analyst at Fox news called Arizona for Biden while people were still standing in line to vote out in that state, then that’s a form of voter suppression. The media did this in Florida in 2000, calling that state for Gore while voting in the panhandle was still in progress. But of course, it was just an accident, nobody noticed that part of Florida is in a different time zone. Sure.

    It’s a stinky trick, and it unfortunately can work just enough to tilt a tight election; there’s often a percentage of doddering voters who will just go home “well, the state’s been called”. Much like discarding or destroying mail ballots, inserting an extra 1,000 or 10,000 or 138,000 absentee ballots from Milwaukee, etc. and so forth these can work when needed.

    Biden just made a nice speech in which he pledged to govern as the President of all Americans. I could tell he was lying, because his mouth was open.

    NBC is now projecting a Biden win in Michigan. Cheating often works in a tight race.

    PS: An exit poll just went by claiming that 61% of Michigan women voted for Biden. Don’t tell Rosie.

  206. res says:
    @vinteuil

    that even the normies will have to wake up & smell the coffee…

    Does anyone think that will actually happen? One thing I have learned over the last four years is not to underestimate the effectiveness of the Lügenpresse for shaping public opinion.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
  207. AndrewR says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Political alliances change, obviously. The Democrats are now openly black supremacist and Hispanics don’t have much white guilt.

  208. cityview says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    I agree, and this is an important point.

  209. Mr. Anon says:
    @Ben tillman

    My wife voted for Biden because she was tired of listening to Trump for four years.

    I can barely stand to listen to Trump myself. That’s what a mute-button is for.

    How long till your wife gets tired of listening to Kamala Harris’s scolding vice-principal voice?

  210. AndrewR says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Why should I feel bad for a business owner who won’t even bother to live in the town his business is in?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  211. @SunBakedSuburb

    You are such a fount of wisdom delivered with manly authority. How could anyone doubt you?

    I’ve wondered the same thing for decades now.

  212. Flip says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “That man has offered me unsolicited advice for the past six years, all of it bad.”
    Calvin Coolidge, on Herbert Hoover, 1928.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  213. Catdog says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Trump chose to ignore the white vote to pursue the votes of groups who hate him. He gained share in the groups who hate him, but he lost white males. And now it’s looking like he lost the election.

    The Sailer Strategy is vindicated, no refuted.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
  214. res says:
    @Jack D

    The question is whether there was more than usual this year? Mail in ballots provide a new avenue for fraud over and above the traditional ways.

    I don’t recall seeing last minute swings of such magnitude (and in so many places) in 2016.

    Definitely agreed about the fraud potential of mail in ballots.

    A lot depends on what individual states permit in terms of ballot harvesting. This page has a summary of state laws regarding that.
    https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vopp-table-10-who-can-collect-and-return-an-absentee-ballot-other-than-the-voter.aspx

    They have this gem for Georgia (don’t know if the actual law is clearer).

    No person shall assist more than 10 such electors in any primary, election, or runoff in which there is no federal candidate on the ballot.

    Should that be read as

    No person shall assist more than 10 such electors in any primary, election, or (runoff in which there is no federal candidate on the ballot).

    or

    No person shall assist more than 10 such electors in (any primary, election, or runoff) in which there is no federal candidate on the ballot.

    The former seems like the common sense interpretation. But that has never stopped lawyers from arguing otherwise.

    But the biggest “fraud” is the legal one – that urban blacks and the Dem. party have made an ironclad devil’s bargain with each other – votes in exchange for gib me dats – which creates a thumb on the scale for every state with a big city. It’s like a golf handicap. Every D candidate starts out X points ahead even before the first ballot is cast.

    That would not be nearly as bad without the actions (fraud?) which make it so those urban blacks have astonishingly high turnouts. Especially given their well known conscientiousness in other aspects of life.

    P.S. No comment on the Biden block of votes typo scenario? I am sincerely interested because I can’t think of a good one and am mystified that people (especially people as smart as you) are accepting that explanation at face value.

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  215. @Jus' Sayin'...

    Except we are about to witness a mass media juggernaut blaming anything and everything on the U.S. Senate for the next two years. Then a vicious fight for the seats up for election in 2022.

    People here think this debacle has trashed the credibility of the mass media. But that’s using logic when it’s religion actually. And the MSM have much more effective means of persuasion than religion and logic ever did.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  216. @as

    Something has to be done to make voting fraud more difficult.

    I’m sure that’s at the top of our elected officials’ to-do lists…

    Amazon goes to greater lengths in establishing my identity when I order a case of paper towels than California does regarding my ballot. Voting could be secure and eligibility verified if that were desired. It is not desired.

  217. anon[223] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump campaign files lawsuit in Penn.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-campaign-files-lawsuits-targeting-pennsylvania-vote-count/ar-BB1aHphG

    and Michigan
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/04/trump-sues-to-stop-michigan-ballot-count-demanding-accessto-tally-sites.html

    Just now on CNBC a brief claim that a Pennsy judge refused to allow observers too close to Philly vote counters because Covid 19 restrictions require distance. Can’t find a link, though.

  218. Neoconned says:
    @Cido

    He needs to fight Michigan tooth & nail.

    There was obvious fraud. As they were “still counting ballots” and magically found enough to throw Biden over the line….

    • Replies: @Redman
  219. jallynn says:
    @Jack D

    My first impression was that whatever was behind the black fist was on fire.

  220. Dmon says:
    @Wilkey

    If Trump had done nothing but rescind AFFH, that would still be enough to re-elect him.

    • Agree: L. Guapo
  221. @Barnard

    All out of Agrees but yes. You speak the truth. The sad truth. And that’s the best we can hope for at this point.

  222. @Travis

    whites would still be a minority by 2040. Now it will happen by 2039.

    Most places in America it’s already happened. They are balanced out (sort of) by Montana and Utah, etc. And even they are “changing”.

  223. Neoconned says:
    @Levon

    What’s the background story here?

    Is this hooligans stabbing random black ppl on the street in DC?

  224. @Wilkey

    Exposing and rooting out corruption in the bureaucracy is vitally impoetant and had just gotten started in Trump’s first term. A Biden victory means back to pre-Trump patterns. Same with conflict over tech giants.

    The demographic changes are bad enough for the country, but demographic changes plus silence over deep and wide corruption and non-transparency is much worse.

  225. BB753 says:

    Steve Sailer’s sleep has been interrupted by a living nightmare: Biden/Kamala stealing the election!

  226. Ragno says:

    So many questions!

    Now that we’ve returned to the old, Paul Ryan-style ‘normal’, which Cabinet post will Shaun King be gifted with?

    How about Jared Kushner? Since we all know Israel’s capital being moved to Jerusalem will be the single Trump “accomplishment” to be left standing, if not sacrosanct, I fully expect him to join the Swampmedia outpost of his choice, if Zombie Joe doesn’t reach across the aisle to tab him Secretary of Shapeshifting.

    How about Kamala Toe? Is she already making whispered overtures to the Swampmedia to take the crackhead’s scalp….or is she willing to wait six months or so?

    So-o-o-o – complete free pass for all antifa and BLM terrorists? How about the Proud Boys? Or is the new regime already pushing to invalidate the Presidential prerogative to pardon his buddies on his way out the door?

    Speaking of free passes and convenient amnesia, are we going to have to extend both to the entirety of the MSM and our noble and incorruptible professoriat? How do they plan to make Queef Olbermann’s dream come true of hounding Orange Man into a life sentence without parole, while maintaining that the Hunter Biden allegations are completely “unverifiable”?

    Assuming this monstrous fraud goes off without a hitch, and me having turned 60 last year with the usual health issues affecting widowers, can anybody here hook a nigga up with a double fistful of Oxys? With apologies to the late great George Sanders, I’m more than ready to leave you all to your sweet cesspool. Short of a celestial finger tapping me on my shoulder to remind me it’s time, the prospect of wearing a face-diaper, at gunpoint, throughout the coming Second Great Depression while the Paul Ryan Memorial Senate rolls over and does tricks for puppy-treats in the name of “national unity” will be close enough for rock and roll, as the old song goes. The sure and certain knowledge that our ruling class, whether in Washington, Hollywood or here in Gotham, will enjoy complete immunity from the coming AFFH jewbilee in which the scum that burned our blue cities down to rubble now get to inhabit the red suburbs on Joe Taxpayer’s dime until they all become road-show Detroits and Baltimores…..well, all things considered, I’d rather replenish the topsoil with my remains than take part in that farce.

  227. I don’t recall seeing last minute swings of such magnitude (and in so many places) in 2016.

    Definitely agreed about the fraud potential of mail in ballots.

    I have seen a last minute swing in a local election where a 25,000 vote deficit turned into a 9,000 vote victory for the (corrupt) incumbent. A review of the ballots showed two things; there was actually an under vote in the presidential election and many of the newly counted absentee ballots had only a single mark made with a broad felt tipped pen.

    There is a demographic that is capable of being more corrupt than either JFK or LBJ. They have already shown their Colors in some school board shenanigans.

    I think our president needs to come down hard on the perps in Detroit and Milwaukee. Pelosi has demonstrated her eagerness to abuse the system. I think Trump should use the system legitimately to its full extent while he still has power.

    One last thing. If it all comes down to litigation, my money is on Trump.

    • Replies: @res
  228. Altai says:
    @res

    Account suspended

    I can’t find a Gab account for him but many others on Gab are talking about it.

    https://gab.com/NeonRevolt/posts/105153141004358341

    https://gab.com/bonafideone/posts/105152660590929979

    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/tens-of-thousands-of-ballots-dropped-off-in-usps-boxes-at-detroit-absentee-ballot-processing-center-at-330-am-after-election/

    One day after the election, the results are still pending and will likely depend on the rust belt. President Donald Trump holds a strong lead in the state of Michigan, but the city of Detroit and their mail-in and absentee ballots have yet to be officially tallied.

    In news that will likely cast further doubt on the election results, tens of thousands of absentee ballots arrived in large U.S. Postal Service boxes at the TCF Center in Detroit, Mich. on Wednesday morning at 3:30 am. The TCF Center, formerly Cobo Hall, is where the absentee ballots are counted for Wayne County, which is the home of Detroit.

    Former Michigan state senator Patrick Colbeck wrote that the total number of ballots dumped on the counting board totaled 38,000:

    Before the ballots showed up mysteriously at 3:30 am, no ballots had arrived at the TCF Center for over six hours, and many poll workers in the facility sat around with no work to do while getting paid hundreds of dollars by the state of Michigan.

    If there was mass election fraud, Detroit absentee ballots sounds about right.

  229. The question is whether there was more than usual this year? Mail in ballots provide a new avenue for fraud over and above the traditional ways.

    I don’t recall seeing last minute swings of such magnitude (and in so many places) in 2016.

    These shenanigans are taking place mostly in states with GOP legislatures. Electoral votes are not valid unless accompanied by the Certificates of Ascertainment from those legislatures. The whiff of anything remotely fishy that only a bloodhound could detect would be enough for a legislature to delay or even reject the totals, and thus the certificate.

    This has to be done by Dec. 14. If no majority materializes by Jan. 6, the election goes to the House.

    Where the Republicans have a majority, 26-21. With three up in the air and possibly out of play.

    The fact that Biden will be entirely out of the public eye during this process will give it more weight.

    Remember, President Harris has always been tough on criminals. Now you’re the criminal!

  230. @Wilkey

    Biden is now officially older than Ronald Reagan was on his last day in office.

    And just as lucid

  231. @Anon

    This election has a massive turnout.

    The turnout was so massive in some areas it exceeded the number of registered voters!

  232. Did they really dump 136,000 ballots 100% for Biden with not one for Trump or any other 3rd party, and not voting down ballot on other issues or candidates? If so that is a blatant fraud done by blacks, only blacks could be so dumb as to make it so obvious. Sort of the way Smolette thought anyone with a brain would believe is dumb hoax. If you’ve dealt with enough blacks you see how many dummies and losers they have amongst them, this is totally the kind of dumb fraud from their left bell curve. And why can’t they report timely like everybody else? Is CPT their excuse? If so why should whites accept being ruled by incompetents?

  233. anon[314] • Disclaimer says:
    @SC Rebel

    You are referring to Illinois? Hell yes. That was a shocker. And very surprising to me.

    Plus the most woke state, California, just voted down prop 16, affirmative action.

    That the public saw through the flagrant dishonesty of the Illinois amendment was heartening.

  234. Corvinus says:

    “It’s almost as if heavily Democratic districts tend to be late to report their results”.

    You mean that those places are doing their due diligence by counting the mail-in balloting that is of historic numbers. For someone to claim to “having no clue how the voting turned out yesterday”, you seem heavily invested in crafting a desired narrative.

    “Also, you might imagine that after 4 years of rhetoric about how Trump must be driven from office By Any Means Necessary”

    Malfeasance, Mr. Sailer. The proper word is malfeasance. But you know that deep down. Stay cagey!

    • Troll: Anonymousse, VinnyVette
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  235. @res

    I don’t recall seeing last minute swings of such magnitude (and in so many places) in 2016.

    The 140k for Biden without any votes for other candidates seems too transparent to be real fraud. Who would do something so stupid? It makes me worry that the Tweet above is “fake news”. If it’s not, that should signal-boosted to the moon.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    , @anon
  236. 23,277 votes from Philadelphia.

    All for Biden!

    What a lucky guy!!!!!!!!

    Such luck!!!!!!!!!!

    • Replies: @epebble
  237. Voltarde says:
    @Stan Adams

    Maybe we’re living in a multiverse of infinite possibilities and this is just one of the shittier scenarios.

    Concise, empirically well-supported observation, one whose hopeful suggestion of other possibilities lifted me out of my depression. Thanks!

  238. Corvinus says:
    @RichardTaylor

    “Actual good Whites realize it. And that’s a good thing.”

    So, in your world, “actual good Whites” are whites who unequivocally believe in everything in what you stand for. That is…insane.

    • Troll: Anonymousse
  239. Rosie says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Not as much as the Democratic Party needs it.

    Whatever. The Dems long ago abandoned White voters, and more or less explicitly so. If their new non-White constituents have a problem with them, they can sort it out.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  240. Redman says:
    @Neoconned

    Did anyone see the Steve Bannon interview with the retired Air Force General who claimed he had intel the CIA was going to hack the voting? It came out yesterday morning.

    I thought it was nonsense but now see it as highly possible.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
  241. @Chrisnonymous

    As I feared, it appears that news is mistaken…

  242. anon[296] • Disclaimer says:

    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/tens-of-thousands-of-ballots-dropped-off-in-usps-boxes-at-detroit-absentee-ballot-processing-center-at-330-am-after-election/

    38,000 ballots dropped off at 3:30 AM by the USPS to Detroit collection center. Nothing suspicious about that, I’m sure.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  243. epebble says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It is shocking but not really shocking. African-Americans in Philadelphia vote about 99+% D. Yes, you read the number right. Similarly, in many neighborhoods in Utah and Idaho (99+% R).

  244. @JR.Ewing.78

    Republican Governors forced the late count of ballots. Trump has been setting up a campaign to cancel!postal ballots for months. Cutting down the post office, his governors’ demanding late counts, telling his supporters to vote in person. So yes, huge batches of postal votes will turn up almost entirely democrat. That’s what Trump wanted. He intends to win this in court because he knew a long time ago it was too close to call otherwise. He won’t.

    I think G W Bush was a far worse as a President, if not so immoral as a person. As the peace candidate Trump may even be preferable to Biden.

    Time to rethink Brexit. Biden will protect the Good Friday Agreement. NI & Scottish independence have just had a huge step forward.

    #Kanye2024

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  245. @Reg Cæsar

    I read an analysis (Revolver?) that discussed the prospect of GOP-controlled legislatures, in the cheating states, playing their elector selection hole cards.

    I can see Trump hilariously rallying for that sort of thing, but I can’t see those weasel, mealy-mouthed Republican legislators ever having the stomach to intervene.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  246. @PhysicistDave

    I would like to see the numbers on this election re how the vote would have gone if we had the same demographics we had in 70’ or 80’. Last time I saw those numbers they showed Republicans sweeping in a landslide, even with all of the self-hating White Sh-t Libs.

    Most of the country will be California soon, if not already. It’s baked into the cake. The Republicans had both houses and the Presidency and couldn’t pass immigration reform. Trump did slow immigration somewhat via the executive, but that’s like emptying water out of the Titanic with a bucket. We would need a complete moratorium to have any chance.

    The Republicans have no future in their current state. They need to pivot populist fast and hard or Trump will be the last Republican president. Tax cuts and other standard Republican platforms is like the nuclear arms race; it’s no longer a relevant issue. But I don’t have much faith in Republicans.

    Patriots like us need to reframe the issues. We need to position ourselves like Tibetans or any other ethnic group facing threat to their sovereignty by immigration or tyranny of the majority. Make the left say: we see the humanity in every group except Anglo Americans. It won’t change their minds but it will change others.

    Patriots also need to realize that every day that goes by we get relatively weaker. The best day to make a move and carve out a new core America from some mountain states is yesterday and if not today. This cause also needs to be reframed in ethnic, not racial terms. If you frame it in racial terms you lose any chance of building any real support. If you frame it in ethnic terms you might be able to start something, and the movement will still be well over 90% White. (ie “Anglo Americans” is like “Hispanic Americans” but Anglo also includes a political overlay in that it excludes globalist self-hating Whites, but includes Brown Michelle Malkin types).

    It’s a sad moment in our history, but at the same time this has been building for a long time and was already pretty much irreversible before Trump was elected.

    If there’s a future the revolution is ahead of us.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  247. Thoughts says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    This is the one positive thing (Short term, for me myself and I)

    I can see Boris Johnson reversing UK Lockdown and saying “sorry the data was wrong” the moment Trump concedes

    (and yes, I think UK Lockdown is related to the US Elections)

  248. Jtgw says:
    @John Gruskos

    As Karlin noted, Israeli Jews sure love him. The deep divide between American and Israeli Jews is rarely remarked on by white nationalists like MacDonald.

    • Replies: @Alden
  249. @ThisIsAnon153Replying

    I don’t think it’s the alt-right. They aren’t that numerous. There are a lot of marginally employed guys who like the prospects of a good fight or riot. Probably ex Bernie supporters who may have voted for Trump 4 years ago to stick a finger at the DNC. They are pals with BLM now though. Simple as that. They have found their “callings” as medics or security for protests, lol.

  250. Thoughts says:
    @Corn

    Highschool age boys should learn a trade and then go to college

    Just Learning a trade condemns you to competing with Hispanics and being below Asians….for Life

    No reason why a highschool kid can’t become electrician certified, a plumber, carpenter, welder, etc etc

    Then go get that degree in hard math and science

    • Agree: Philip Owen
  251. Rosie says:
    @Rooster10

    At this point things seem pretty doom and gloom for Trump voters, but I’m not sure they necessarily should be.

    I suspect that, with the liberal establishment claiming it’s too close to call, it’s fair to assume Trump won handily. Whether fraud will ever come to light is another question, and I’m not sure it matters much anyway.

  252. Lurker says:

    more adroit at complex vote-manipulation

    It’s particularly adroit. If it were they would add at least a few fake Trump votes to some of these miraculous late appearing ballot papers to disguise the fraud.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Lurker
  253. anon[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lurker

    It isn’t adroit at all. It’s heavy handed in a maladroit fashion.

    138000+ paper ballots at around 3:00 AM and not one 3rd party or Trump voter?

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/04/yes-democrats-are-trying-to-steal-the-election-in-michigan-wisconsin-and-pennsylvania/

  254. Lurker says:
    @Lurker

    It’s not particularly adroit.

  255. @ThisIsAnon153Replying

    Ohio regularly purges its voter rolls.

    It was challenged in 2018 and upheld by SCOTUS.

  256. @Hangnail Hans

    Watch how quickly the Eye of Sauron swivels its gaze to Cocaine Mitch and Miss Lindsay.

  257. Mr. Anon says:
    @Rosie

    The Dems long ago abandoned White voters, and more or less explicitly so.

    Yes, but white voters have not abandoned the Dems.

  258. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    Malfeasance, Mr. Sailer. The proper word is malfeasance. But you know that deep down. Stay cagey!

    You are such a stupid f**ktard.

  259. @Abolish_public_education

    I can’t see those weasel, mealy-mouthed Republican legislators ever having the stomach to intervene.

    Not after the way those chumps handed unlimited emergency powers to Dem govs in response to WuFlu.

  260. Alden says:
    @Jtgw

    Israeli jews don’t love or like Trump. Trump just moved our embassy to Jerusalem and did other things that prior American presidents should have done 70 years ago is the feeling Israelis have for Trump. About time you did the right thing ; you goy slave is the feeling in Israel.

    Israeli jews didn’t vote for Trump. American Jews voted and propagandized against Trump. With the exception of a few thousand Jews in Brooklyn .

  261. Anon[456] • Disclaimer says:
    @Polistra

    Glad to know that you’re so comfortable that you can make your smug little remarks about someone who stuck his neck out and actually tried to make a stand for what’s right, while our country is literally burning down and going down the road to Bolshevik revolution and slavery. I’m sure you’ll like living in a Communist country. Communist countries are so pleasant to live in. Enjoy your smugness because you’re so much better than people who actually care about things.

  262. Svigor says:
    @Ben tillman

    Women tend to be conflict-averse when they shouldn’t be, and not when they should.

    • LOL: Rosie
  263. Travis says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    amnesty for 20 million is coming….hard to see how we ever have another Republican President.

    no need for the congress to approve amnesty. Obama granted amnesty to millions via DACA, and the courts prevented Trump from reversing the Obama amnesty. SO nothing to stop Biden from granting amnesty to all illegal aliens. Which will encourage encourage millions more to migrate here.

    • Agree: Polistra
  264. Rosie says:
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Trump may lose due to voter fraud, but none of this would be an issue if 5-8% of the women who voted against Trump had the self-awareness to say, “You know, all the girls really hate the philandering adulterous pussy grabbing braggart, but the other guy is a walking corpse and stealth candidate for the disgusting combination of the Deep State, George Soros, and the Chinese Communist Party.”

    White women vote for Trump.
    Dems steal election.
    It’s White women’s fault.

    Really, GFY. You’ll never be satisfied. Among college-educated Whites, women actually voted more for Trump this time. I don’t expect to hear anything about how this group cost Trump the election.

  265. @AndrewR

    Andrew according to your comment a business owner should only have a business where he/she resides and have no say in how they are taxed. This man’s businesses make this town a better place to live. But we’re good.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  266. @anon

    38,000 ballots dropped off at 3:30 AM by the USPS to Detroit collection center.

    The method of operation was to wait until all the Republican observers went home for the night.

    Then it was a “vote” counting partee all night long…

  267. Anonymous[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    Biden has repeatedly and publicly said that he does not consider China any kind of competition, let alone threat. So they win.

    I disagree that Trump is uniquely hawkish on China. Trump seems very much business oriented, always seeking better “deals” but not particularly militaristic or interested in disrupting commerce.

    There’s a general hawkish consensus among the establishment regarding China. What establishment Dems say in public and private are different. Remember what Hillary Clinton was saying to establishment insiders in private when she was Sec. of State as revealed by Wikileaks: “We discovered Japan for Heaven sakes…We have as much claim to all of the Pacific [as China does to the South China Sea.] And we could call it the American Sea, and it could go from the West Coast of California all the way to the Philippines…We’re going to ring China with missile defense. We’re going to put more of our fleet in the area.”

    Deep State insiders like Matt Pottinger, deputy NSA director, are the ones who drive and craft hawkish policy on China. Pottinger was a CIA agent who worked in China under a journalism cover. His father, J. Stanley Pottinger, was a CIA lawyer who was assistant US attorney general for Nixon. Matt Pottinger has been at the recent Bilderberg meetings, no doubt as a part of this hawkish consensus among the elite. The strategy of Pottinger and the hawks is to pursue economic decoupling with China in order to facilitate favorable conditions for waging hot war against China, which isn’t the sort of thing the commercially and “deal” oriented Trump would be that interested in. I think the general hawkish consensus among the establishment is that there has to be a hot war against China relatively soon, like the next 10~15 years.

    See this thread:

    • Replies: @Sean
  268. Wilkey says:
    @Corn

    Amen. No more white (conservative) flight. Time for white unite. Young men should learn a trade. It’s cheaper than college.

    That’s still defeatist.

    Nothing wrong professionally with choosing a trade, but when’s the last time a plumber was a major influence on the culture? Joe the Plumber? That guy from This Old House? And the last carpenter I can think of who had a big cultural impact was Jesus.

    So sure, learn a trade – or go into medicine; or law; or engineering; or teaching or professing or acting or writing or advertising or anything else.

    We can’t win back the institutions if the only conservatives we have inside them are repairing the water heaters.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  269. Rosie says:
    @Wilkey

    We can’t win back the institutions if the only conservatives we have inside them are repairing the water heaters.

    Except that I’m not sure these institutions can be reformed from within. At least a self-employed tradesman is more anti fragile, and potentially more free to speak his mind.

  270. Olorin says:
    @JR.Ewing.78

    Read an analysis this morning that the probability of even 100 ballots in a 75% Biden blue city having not one for anyone but Biden was something like e-13. A single digit number preceded by 12 zeroes.

    The probability of this occurring in MI for 138,000+ ballots in a population center AND all four competing candidates receiving not one vote as a result would be vastly less likely, that analyst noted, than you walking through your living room wall’s atoms (e-50).

    To put it another way, the magnitude of this one act of fraud statistically speaking is greater than the universe from its smallest to largest known scale in powers of ten. Intuitively it is presented as just 138,000 votes out of a million ballots, assumed to be safely Dem because they pushed for this…but fraud leaves quantitative tracks. And there are ample forensic methods to follow that spoor and identify, and hunt the creature leaving them. Ask any financial, casino, or insurance company.

    Anybody else remember the U. of Chicago guy who analyzed 9/11 put options? There was also a team at Zurich iirc. It’s well past time we start applying these business security methods to voting.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
  271. Hibernian says:
    @Philip Owen

    NI & Scottish independence

    Scotland is a nation. Ulster is a province within a nation.

  272. anon[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    The 140k for Biden without any votes for other candidates seems too transparent to be real fraud. Who would do something so stupid?

    blacks

  273. @Flip

    So Herb wasn’t that entertaining at parties. He can be forgiven a nit or two.

    Also, sixteen words is rather verbose for Silent Cal. Had he been drinking?

  274. anon[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    This has to be done by Dec. 14. If no majority materializes by Jan. 6, the election goes to the House.

    Where the Republicans have a majority, 26-21. With three up in the air and possibly out of play.

    You’re confusing the House with the Senate. The Democrats control the House, and that is where the decision would be made in your scenario.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  275. @Jack D

    Pre-dawn fake ballot injections. Unfortunately, once they are injected, I doubt there is any legal remedy to get them out again. They’re “in the mix”.

    But both MI and WI look fatally compromised.

  276. @Jack D

    Cubans aren’t representative of Hispanics, whose support for Trump was dead average at 30+% as calculated over the 50 year range from 1968-2018.

  277. @anon

    You’re confusing the House with the Senate. The Democrats control the House, and that is where the decision would be made in your scenario.

    Your homework assignment is to read the Twelfth Amendment, followed by counting the House delegations by party.

    • LOL: Justvisiting
  278. @John Johnson

    The left does not want Kamala Harris as President.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  279. @Jack D

    Trump is not a meek cuck and is not going to allow himself to get rolled if indeed there are shenanigans.

    Perhaps not (arguments could go either way), but preventing (too late now) or remedying “shenanigans” (aka fraud) is in part about the details, and whatever he is, Trump is not a details guy.

  280. @Stan Adams

    Where’s this “stay frosty” phrase coming from? The Van Halen album that brought David Lee Roth back in 2012, A Different Kind of Truth, Van Halen’s last record, has a track called “Stay Frosty”.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Stan Adams
  281. @anon

    Maybe, but the problem is that once the Dems’ fake ballots are mixed in with the real ones, there is no way to know which are which. By definition, secret ballots are untraceable. Recounting doesn’t help if the boxes are already stuffed with frauds.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  282. res says:
    @James Speaks

    I think our president needs to come down hard on the perps in Detroit and Milwaukee.

    This. If there are no consequences this is just going to keep happening in ever increasing volume.

    Incentives matter.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  283. @ThisIsAnon153Replying

    Thanks Mike Enoch, Sven, and Zordon your hardcore white advocacy has very arguably gifted us white people a white hating black female president with a jewish husband.

    Clausewitz tier strategy bros!

  284. @Harry Baldwin

    Of course, Trump has been better for Whites than the Hildabeast would have and Biden/Cameltoe may be. However, doing stupid stuff like deciding to go along with the spending of $500,000,000,000 of mostly white taxpayers’ money on blacks, just because, I dunno, they were kinda upset that week, can piss off people greatly.

    I don’t at all blame any white person who heard about that, yet never heard any real support out of Trump, for just saying the hell with all of this and staying home. I’d bet you there was a lot of that, as the numbers show it. Per another commenter, yes, I know white voters are dying off in Penn. etc, and being replaced by non-whites. However, there are still a lot of white voters, and not getting at least as many as last time, percentage wise, is shameful. Trump could have gotten easily 10 million more white voters if he had explicitly supported White people with his words and at least a few attempts at some deeds (say, ELIMINATING AA in the US government).

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
  285. @Dumbo

    And in California voters decided to give voting rights to prisoners.

    But not the right to keep and bear arms. Funny how that works.

    Illinois issues a notorious FOID card. Nothing would fix that state’s politics faster than requiring it to be shown before voting. California should follow.

  286. @anon

    Joe Biden right now is about the same age Ronald Reagan was when he left the White House

    Exactly one day older, in fact. Check it out for yourself:

    https://www.timeanddate.com/date/duration.html

  287. Moses says:
    @Barnard

    With “friends” like these GOP cucks, who needs enemies?

    Count on Mittens, Murkowski, Collins et al to pull McCain after McCain because, deep down, they just want to be liked by the left as the rare “Principled Republican”(TM).

  288. @Rosie

    Still waiting for the results. It seems to me every second that goes by makes this more suspicious. Is anyone else thinking what I’m thinking?

    Delay = Daley.

    (Biden. Kennedy. ☘️☘️☘️Daley.☘️☘️🍀 Hmm…)

    Among college-educated Whites, women actually voted more for Trump this time. I don’t expect to hear anything about how this group cost Trump the election.

    Campaigning against “marriage equality” a decade ago, Jennifer Roback Morse would tell her audiences she felt like she was in a “girls’ club”. Social issues are like that.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  289. @Reg Cæsar

    Interesting fact: The last President to lose both Florida and Ohio was JFK.

    He stole Illinois with the assistance of Mayor Daley and the Mafia (and Texas thanks to LBJ).

    JFK (actually his father) made promises to the Mafia to get their support. After he was elected JFK failed to honor those promises, most dramatically when Bobby Kennedy kidnapped Carlos Marcello and dumped him off in the jungle in Central America. Marcello made his way back to the US and was caught on a FBI wiretap saying “get that stone out of my shoe”. We all know what happened next.

  290. @Rosie

    Really, I fart in your general direction.

    Assuming you can actually think logically, which is doubtful, try this one on for size.

    Just because Trump managed to get MORE white women to vote for him this time doesn’t mean that it’s invalid to say that there was a sizable swath of women whose HUSBANDS voted for him, but they didn’t because feelings.

    Peel off 5% of those, heck 2%, and it’s a different story.

    Then the obvious cheating by Dems would be in vain.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  291. @res

    I think our president needs to come down hard on the perps in Detroit and Milwaukee.

    This. If there are no consequences this is just going to keep happening in ever increasing volume.

    Incentives matter.

    The four or five GOP legislatures in the disputed states should unite in a compact, all for one, one for all. If any one state’s results are compromised, all of them will refuse Certificates of Ascertainment.

    Maybe they can’t give their slates to Trump, but they can sure send the election to the House, where he is set to win.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  292. @Barnard

    A couple of them voting for statehood for Puerto Rico wouldn’t be surprising either…

    Hate to say this, but the terrorists have a very good point. We should invite them here to make, shall we say, “presentations” for naïve mainlanders. “¡Ustedes no nos quieren!”

    Why Did Obama Free This Terrorist?

    Terrorist or hero? Puerto Rican nationalist to be freed

    On This Day: Puerto Rican Nationalists Attempt to Assassinate Truman

    Ben Sasse

    He’s among the better ones for keeping our women out of Selective Service. Now if he could employ the same logic and spirit to keeping Puerto Rico out of the Union, he’d be very useful.

    He’s a Nebraskan. They’re supposed to be isolationists!

  293. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    The four or five GOP legislatures in the disputed states should unite in a compact, all for one, one for all. If any one state’s results are compromised, all of them will refuse Certificates of Ascertainment.

    Maybe they can’t give their slates to Trump, but they can sure send the election to the House, where he is set to win.

    As one commenter elsewhere pointed out, the side that is the first to establish a convincing narrative that We Won has a huge advantage. If the other side disputes the result they inevitably appear to be the side that is trying to steal the election. If Biden wins the count and claims victory any attempt to overturn the result will be fraught with difficulties and dangers.

    If the Supreme Court (which is with some justification seen to be in Trump’s pocket) gets involved it will look very bad indeed. It will look like a coup. If the decision goes to the House, it will look like a coup. In fact any attempt to overturn a We Won narrative will look like a coup. That’s certainly the way the media will portray it.

    I imagine that quite a few Republicans would be wary of being seen to be supporting something that is going to be painted as an attempted coup d’état. The long-term consequences could be very unpleasant.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Justvisiting
  294. @Anon

    If Biden wins, Hillary is going to be smashing the windows in a jealous rage.

  295. Neoconned says:
    @Redman

    Got a link to the Bannon article? I’d like to see/read it….

    Even though fraud or no fraud Dubya PROBABLY won fair and square in the 2004 election there was a LOTTA STRONG EVIDENCE that Diebold had rigged voting machines in some key states against John Kerry….

    I’ve been saying since this past spring that the Spooks gamed the Dem primaries AGAINST BERNIE once Buttplug(their boy) pulled out….billionaires were going on CNBC saying “Wall Street and the markets wouldn’t even open for trading” if Sanders or Fauxcahontus won…..

    The Dem primaries were a spook rig job……if they rigged the primaries wtf is so hard about rigging up the general election?

  296. anon[941] • Disclaimer says:
    @Eric Novak

    Where’s this “stay frosty” phrase coming from?

  297. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    America cannot project power into Asia as effectively as China for what should be obvious geographic reasons. Moreover, China has ten times the population of Japan.

    America deliberately grew China as a counterweight to the USSR , now it cannot slow down China’s economic growth without a massive effort that would negatively affect Wall Street and big business. Probably too late for that anyway, but Biden is the big business candidate and they want to get back to profits from China.

    Whatever some may talk as if they believe, America is not capable of any intervention that would subdue or control China any more than the US could achieve that in 1945-9 when it was immeasurably more powerful in relative terms.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  298. Rosie says:
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    there was a sizable swath of women whose HUSBANDS voted for him, but they didn’t because feelings.

    Really? I don’t know a single one. There is no gender gap at all for college Whites this time around, and working class women quite rationally abandoned him because of his four years of cucking on trade and immigration.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
  299. @Paleo Liberal

    I would say during the George W. Bush years the curtain did rise a little too much on the ruling class to expose them in a way we hadn’t seen since the Kennedy/Johnson years. The ruling class’ ambitious plans to invade Iraq and the following debacle on Wall Street a few years later forced them out of the shadows and observant people could start to see the reality: a rapaciously parasitical Jewish ruling class with a few Waspy useful idiots playing the front men. The Neo-cons and the banksters were front and center in their failures and their while media fellow travelers covered up as much as possible for them it was still all too obvious who was running the show.

  300. @dfordoom

    If the decision goes to the House, it will look like a coup

    How can an incumbent pull a coup?

    Besides, the cheating is so brazen, so amateurish, that the moral high ground isn’t that hard to attain. Really, all we have to do is pressure Biden to concede. After that, a House election is a mere formality, as was the Senate’s election of Johnson in 1836.

    Basically, Trump is a move or two from checkmate. Most pros would concede at that point.

    Especially if they have trouble staying awake.

    The long-term consequences could be very unpleasant.

    As opposed to…?

  301. @epebble

    If Trump had asked people to wear a mask, I would have taken down my signs and stayed home rather than voting (a few days ago), out of complete disgust. But that’s just me … right?

  302. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    America cannot project power into Asia as effectively as China for what should be obvious geographic reasons.

    As Mearsheimer explains, there wouldn’t be a central front like there was in central Europe during the Cold War. It would be in the China Seas, and involve nukes, so the US would have plenty of power projection capability, as would China, which is why it would be a limited nuclear war localized to the China Seas and Pacific Rim. Not necessarily ICBM exchanges between the mainlands.

    http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13629071

    Let me start by talking a little bit about the Cold War and then comparing the situation in East Asia and with the situation in Europe during the Cold War. During the Cold War, the competition between the United States and the Soviet Union was centered on central Europe. We used to talk about the central front, where you had the Warsaw Pact on one side, and NATO on the other side.

    And when we talked about U.S.-Soviet war, it involved the central front. Now, the central front was populated by two giant sets of armies, that were armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons. That meant if we had World War III in central Europe, you would have two huge sets of armies crashing into each other, with thousands of nuclear weapons.

    Not surprisingly, when we ran war games during the Cold War, it was very difficult, if not impossible, to get a war started in central Europe, because nobody in his or her right mind, would start a war given the possibility of nuclear Armageddon.

    Now, contrast that with the situation in East Asia, which is the central flash point between United States and China, the three places where you could possibly have a war involve the South China Sea, Taiwan and the East China Sea.

    Those areas are not the equivalent of the central front. And it’s possible to imagine a limited conventional war breaking out in one of those three areas. It’s much easier to imagine that happening, than a war on the central front during the Cold War.

    This is not to say that a war in East Asia is axiomatically going to happen. I’m not arguing that, but it is plausible that the United States and the Chinese and some allies of the United States like Japan may end up in a shooting match with the Chinese in say, the East China Sea.

    Now, if China is losing, or if the United States is losing that military engagement, there will be a serious temptation to use nuclear weapons as the United States is committed to use nuclear weapons to defend Japan if Japan is losing a conventional war. And one might say, it’s unimaginable that the United States or China would use nuclear weapons.

    But I don’t think that’s true, because you would be using those nuclear weapons at sea. You would not be hitting the Chinese mainland in all likelihood. And, therefore, it’s possible to think in terms of a “limited nuclear war,” with limited nuclear use.

    So, I worry greatly that not only will we have a war between the United States and China, but also that there’s a serious possibility nuclear weapons would be used. And I think in a very important way, it was much less likely that would happen during the Cold War.

    • Replies: @Sean
  303. @Wilkey

    “there may be Republican leaders out there who are on the right side of the issues but temperamentally better suited to win more of the country”

    Bush senior. Bush Junior. Gerald Ford. Reagan.

    Mitch McConnell?

    https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/the-typical-male-u-s-worker-earned-less-in-2014-than-in-1973/

    The typical man with a full-time job–the one at the statistical middle of the middle–earned $50,383 last year, the Census Bureau reported this week.

    The typical man with a full-time job in 1973 earned $53,294, measured in 2014 dollars to adjust for inflation.

    You read that right: The median male worker who was employed year-round and full time earned less in 2014 than a similarly situated worker earned four decades ago. And those are the ones who had jobs.

    This one fact, tucked in Table A-4 of the Census Bureau’s annual report on income, is both a symptom of an economy that isn’t delivering for many ordinary Americans and at least one reason for the dissatisfaction, anger, and distrust that voters are displaying in the 2016 presidential campaign.

    What about women? Well, they haven’t closed the pay gap with men, but the inflation-adjusted earnings of the median female worker increased more than 30% between 1973 and 2014, to $39,621 from $30,182, according to census data.

    But back to men. Why are wages for the typical male worker stagnating? After all, the U.S. economy has grown substantially since 1973. Output per person in the U.S. has nearly doubled since 1973, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. And output per hour of work (minus depreciation) has increased nearly 2.5 times, according to a recent analysis by the Economic Policy Institute, a left-leaning think tank that produces reliable statistical analyses.

  304. @Almost Missouri

    There are rumors official ballots have anti-counterfeiting features of some kind.

    I suppose we will find out the truth, if any, soon.

  305. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    It would be in the China Seas, and involve nukes

    Why would a country that held a conventional advantage give the enemy forces a thermonuclear get out of jail free card by agreeing to not retaliate to first use of nuclear weapons on the battlefield by hitting back with a specimen strike at the strategic level? On Seattle for example.

    No, China has made it perfectly clear over Taiwan that if America used nuclear weapons in a South China sea battlefield then China would nuke the Continental US. America cannot win conventionally and is not going to blow its own brains out by first use of nuclear weapons of any kind . The USSR did not behave like it thought the US or Britain or France would use nuclear weapons of any kind to stop a victorious Soviet conventional offensive across the North European Plain. Once you go nuclear you’re going all the way to strategic and you know it.

    And, therefore, it’s possible to think in terms of a “limited nuclear war,” with limited nuclear use.

    Only if the likely conventional winner is nice enough to agree to those rules, whereby its expensive conventional forces win, then are are nuked could anyone contemplate using battlefield nuclear weapons. Clearly, no one with a conventional advantage and some strategic thermonuclear capability will ever agree to abide by those rules. The world’s superpowers don’t behave like they actually believe that their (ruinously expensive) conventional forces are obsolete.

    • Agree: Johnny Rico
  306. AndrewR says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I’m saying business owners shouldn’t get an additional vote for every business they have. If you don’t like the taxes in the town where you own a business but don’t live, either move your business or move your residence. But stop acting like you deserve any sympathy. People like you are the reason communism ever gained traction. You’re not content to be richer than all your neighbors. You want to be much, much richer.

  307. @Eric Novak

    The left does not want Kamala Harris as President.

    The left doesn’t want Biden as president either.

    But they will take Biden over Trump and Harris over Biden.

  308. Really? I don’t know a single one. There is no gender gap at all for college Whites this time around, and working class women quite rationally abandoned him because of his four years of cucking on trade and immigration.

    I don’t think it was trade or immigration. I think it was healthcare.

    All Trump needed to do was lower prescription drug prices somewhere and he would have easily won. Give people a reason to believe he is on their side.

    Instead he dragged his feet on health care and spent too much time listening to Randian DC lizards.

    The Republicans are in total denial of our health care problems. Liberals may be a group of liars but this is an issue that really does affect rural America.

    Trump should have had 55 to 60% of the popular vote. He could have taken independents and women from Biden but he didn’t try. This is was the same old Republican strategy of relying on the same base to sneak you across the finish line. The GOP lost California with this attitude.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Hangnail Hans
  309. @Catdog

    He didn’t lose white males.

  310. @Rosie

    I know lots of them. Including lots who voted for Trump in ‘16.

  311. @Achmed E. Newman

    The numbers show it? What “numbers” are you talking about?

  312. @dfordoom

    I imagine that quite a few Republicans would be wary of being seen to be supporting something that is going to be painted as an attempted coup d’état. The long-term consequences could be very unpleasant.

    All true.

    But–the long term consequences are going to be very unpleasant either way.

    We are running out of good alternatives–all the remaining choices may be bad ones.

  313. Rosie says:
    @John Johnson

    I don’t think it was trade or immigration. I think it was healthcare.

    How old are you? Younger people are more worried about jobs than healthcare. First of all, you need to pay your rent. Health care is a luxury.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  314. @Ben tillman

    The numbers of votes for Biden vs. Trump, Ben. Take a state like Minnesota, please!. 83 % of Minnesotans (just for example, but a good example because it shows dark blue right now) are white non-hispanic. There are 5.6 million Minnesotans total (2019 numbers), making 4.65 million white Minnesotans.

    From the vote total from Minnesota of 3.19 million on the Fox News site map, one can calculate that 57% of Minnesotans voted. That means, even if every single one of the 57% of voters were white (obviously not true, but just a high limit, as I don’t know the races of voters), that 1.46 million white people didn’t vote. The same census page (the link above) says that 23.1% of Minnesotans are under 18 y/o. That leaves 1.12 million white people who didn’t come out but could have.

    Would at least a quarter million, around 20%, of those white people able to vote have gone on-line to register, and spend an hour to vote early, if Trump had been at least giving some good speeches that didn’t tout all he could do for everybody BUT White people? Who knows? If 20% of these people had gotten enthusiastic from some Trump enthusiasm showing he at least was working a teensiest bit to help them and understood they’ve been getting screwed over and disparaged for years, well, that’d have been a quarter of a million votes or so, putting him over the top.

    Those are the numbers, Ben. I only pulled out the last paragraph’s worth out of my ass (plus that high-limit that is way too conservative), but you see that white vote numbers can still be overwhelming, were they to vote like a bloc even half-assedly compared to blacks.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  315. Ctrl-F “fraud” count for 319 comments: 51

  316. @Olorin

    Is that figure even accurate? I mean, given how preposterous it is on its face are they really running with it?

    https://heavy.com/news/fact-check-biden-ballots-michigan/

    Here’s what you need to know, they say.

  317. BTW, looking at the MSM for a few minutes there, I notice the words “unfounded” “unsubstantiated” “falsely claimed” and such attached to every mention of Republican arguments in the headlines. Never once to Democrats claims. As usual, I guess.

  318. @John Johnson

    Consider that just covid alone was responsible for 10 or 20% of the popular vote swing. The MSM were bleating endlessly that Trump has killed 200,000 people.

    However you choose to cut that, it indicates a landslide for Trump absent the China virus.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  319. @Rosie

    How old are you? Younger people are more worried about jobs than healthcare. First of all, you need to pay your rent. Health care is a luxury.

    Health care is a luxury? This is exactly the type of Cato institute crap that Trump should have ignored.

    Maybe the GOP should make that their slogan: Health care is a luxury.

    Put that on the front of a t-shirt. On the back it can say: We like losing.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  320. @Hangnail Hans

    However you choose to cut that, it indicates a landslide for Trump absent the China virus.

    Absolutely.

    I believe the Democrats had already resigned to lose and were more interested in getting voters out for house races.

  321. Rosie says:
    @John Johnson

    Health care is a luxury? This is exactly the type of Cato institute crap that Trump should have ignored.

    You misunderstand me. I’m not a Cato sort. I’m simply telling you how young people view it. Jobs are a much higher priority for young people than healthcare. They can barely pay their rent and student loans. That’s why it’s very difficult to get young and healthy people into the system. I don’t think this is controversial.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  322. @Achmed E. Newman

    Upon seeing this again, on my site too, Ben, I see that I obviously should have used the 23 % under-18 on the whole of white people first. Obviously the ones that voted were from the 77% 18 and over, including the dead. However, of course, it wasn’t all whites voting, AND white people are older on average. Of the 23%, lots more than 23% are non-white. I need a few more numbers, but there were still lots of white votes left on the table.

  323. @Anonymous Jew

    Anonymous Jew wrote:

    I would like to see the numbers on this election re how the vote would have gone if we had the same demographics we had in 70’ or 80’. Last time I saw those numbers they showed Republicans sweeping in a landslide, even with all of the self-hating White Sh-t Libs.

    Yeah, presumably. But the Left is very opportunistic politically. George McGovern was not really that much further left than Trump: McGovern would never have tolerated the current nonsense.

    AJ also wrote:

    Most of the country will be California soon, if not already. It’s baked into the cake…

    The Republicans have no future in their current state. They need to pivot populist fast and hard or Trump will be the last Republican president.

    Well, strangely, out here in California the vote on our referenda in this election was moderate-right! We defeated a rent-control measure, and we also defeated an attempt to reinstate Affirmative Action at state universities and in state contracting.

    Under the basic US electoral system (“first past the post”), we are likely to always have a two-party system. And there is a strong tendency to alternate between those parties at a national level: the incumbents get self-satisfied, lazy, and unresponsive, and so the voters kick them out.

    So, the key is to get both major parties to move in the general direction you want. The elite knows that, which is why they try to capture both parties, and why they love “bipartisanship.”

    AJ also wrote:

    The best day to make a move and carve out a new core America from some mountain states is yesterday and if not today.

    Sailer has explained why that is not going to happen: in a nutshell, the US military really likes being really big and really strong, which requires a unified country. Also, there are no states that are 80-20 in one direction. In fact, the big split is between urban vs. rural areas. A huge part of the difference between Wyoming and New York is simply that there are no big metropolises in Wyoming.

    And while it is tempting to cut off New York City, LA, and San Francisco from the USA (independent city-states on the coasts make some sense), we really cannot make St. Louis, Memphis, Denver, Des Moines, etc. a separate country from their own hinterlands.

    No, I think the strategy has to be:

    A) Delegitimize the ruling elite, the parasitic verbalist overclass.

    B) Convince most citizens that the reason they are pretty unhappy is simply because we are denying their basic nature as human beings: the natural desire of men and women to have families, the desire of most women to stay home with their kids, the desire of people to have meaningful jobs (a lot of the overpaid paper-pushing bureaucrats are not really that happy — there is a lot to be said for operating a backhoe!), etc.

    This should not be impossible: no sensible person really believes in the transgender nonsense, for example. But the Left has learned to smear anyone who points out obvious things about human beings as bigoted, intolerant, sexist, or religious.

    None of which is true (yeah, most serious, traditional religious believers can see through the nonsense, but so can any thoughtful, honest non-believer).

    The funny thing is that it takes some real intellectual work to understand why rent-control laws or minimum-wage laws or protective tariffs tend to produce results opposite to those intended.

    But creating a culture and economic structure that forces women to go to work rather than spend time with their children? You do not need an IQ above 100 to understand why that is a bad idea. Just a willingness to look at human behavior and notice the obvious.

    The Left has bullied people to the point where people are afraid to do that. We need to fight back against the bullying. That may be easier than it seems. The bullying is going to become awfully wearisome pretty fast.

    More than anything the anti-Left (pro-humans?) just need the confidence to know that we are on the side of Mother Nature. And, in the end, Mother Nature always wins.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
    , @Dissident
  324. @Ben tillman

    OK, I redid my numbers, Ben – see here, with the changes of taking 77.9% of ALL voters as age eligible (still not completely accurate, as I’d guess the non-whites lean younger), taking the % voting as the same for all races/ethnicities, and I noted that there are 79.1% of Minnesotas that are white/not Hispanic, rather than that 83.1% (called “white alone” – I got fooled by this wording, but found the lower number lower down in the list).

  325. @PhysicistDave

    A lot of good points and maybe I’ll have time to address, but some quick thoughts:

    My read of California is that many non-Whites have affixed a tribal loyalty to the Dems but that doesn’t mean they’re leftists. Indeed, like most normal humans they’re naturally moderate and apolitical.

    Mother Nature always wins, but humans are religious and religion makes us irrational. It reminds me of Kuru in Papua New Guinea and many other religious practices. People can hallucinate a lot in the face of reality, especially the smart ones.

    Is 80-20 the magic number? Why? The Balkans was also intermingled quite a bit, but of course caused a painful and violent resorting in the 90s. Maybe the great sort will continue and we won’t have to go the route of the Balkans. No place is 80-20, but much of the mountain states are 66-34-ish.

    If it wasn’t for my conservative but urbanite wife I would have moved to Idaho years ago. (It was hard enough just to find a conservative Jewish girl)

    • Replies: @Dissident
  326. Dissident says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Thanks for an interesting, high-quality post with a number of good points.

    Are you sure “The Left” is the proper term for the entities and phenomena you have referred-to as such? It has been noted (e.g. by Paul Gottfried) that even the Frankfurt School– itself but a fringe of the old Left– never went as far as the Woke radicalism embraced by today’s Democrats does.*

    Note that your final block of quoted-text is unattributed. Where is it from?

    *Cynically, in at least many cases, for as you noted, “no sensible person really believes in the transgender nonsense”. I would add two qualifications to that, though: (1) Many people are not that sensible, and (2) Many otherwise sensible people are capable of believing all kinds of nonsense.

    In addition to the many who no doubt merely exploit the various tenets of Wokeness (and those who believe in them) for self-interest, there would also appear to be a not-insignificant number of True Believers. Then there is a third category: all the nice, polite people who are at least skeptical, and may even privately wince at many of said tenets but publicly dare not do less than acquiesce. Without this third group, the first two I enumerated, who number but a mere fraction of the third, would almost certainly never have been able to achieve the staggering success that they have.

    Let me also reiterate two key points here concerning the extremes and excesses (e.g., puberty blockers for children; cancel culture reaching Stalinist/Maoist levels, etc.) that have generated push-back and defections from many among of those who were just fine with (or at least quite willing to go along with, even if less than wholeheartedly) such earlier collective lapses of sanity as declaring homosexuality equivalent to the heterosexual default. 1.) Acceptance of the former would never have been possible without the acceptance of the latter that preceded– which, in turn would not have been possible without extensive, insidious propaganda such as that which was employed. Those– and there were some– who rejected and warned of such breaches all along, at each and every step of the (still-ongoing) progressive descent into the abyss, were belittled, mocked, attacked, vilified and ignored. How much sympathy does one deserve when he is eventually bitten by the very snake that he had nurtured and indulged?
    ~ ~ ~
    Rosie would seem quite correct in her above comment
    ( https://www.unz.com/isteve/ok-im-going-to-bed/#comment-4266984 )

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  327. Dissident says:
    @Anonymous Jew

    My read of California is that many non-Whites have affixed a tribal loyalty to the Dems but that doesn’t mean they’re leftists. Indeed, like most normal humans they’re naturally moderate and apolitical.

    This alludes to one of the many errors made by those who reduce everything to “It’s The Jews, d–n it!”.

    Mother Nature always wins, but humans are religious and religion makes us irrational.

    A simplistic and tendentious view. The Woke cancer presently consuming the West (that your interlocutor Physicist Dave addressed explicitly), while sharing many of the characteristics of a religion, is not one in any traditional sense of the word. Conversely, few are as resistant to and defiant of at least many of the tenets of Wokeness than some of the most fundamentalist religious types, many of whose beliefs you would no doubt brand as irrational.

    Let me respond here to Physicist Dave’s statement,

    yeah, most serious, traditional religious believers can see through the nonsense, but so can any thoughtful, honest non-believer

    by noting that I have long lamented the lack of completely secular organizations and voices comparable to ones such as Mass Resistance and AMERICANS FOR TRUTH About Homosexuality . Most of the arguments presented at said sites absolutely do not rely upon religion of any sort.

  328. Lagertha says:

    You stole me, Steve, you jerk!!!!hahhahahahhahahaa

  329. @Dissident

    Dissident wrote to me:

    Are you sure “The Left” is the proper term for the entities and phenomena you have referred-to as such? It has been noted (e.g. by Paul Gottfried) that even the Frankfurt School– itself but a fringe of the old Left– never went as far as the Woke radicalism embraced by today’s Democrats does.*

    Well, I’ve puzzled over that. It is certainly true that Eugene Debs or Joe Stalin would have been truly bemused by the current Left (not to equate Debs and Stalin — in many ways Debs was a good man, whereas it is hard to be more evil than Stalin).

    On the other hand, in the end, the one constant throughout the history of the Left seems to be that the Left always wants power: our modern-day identity-politics Left, for example, still also wants more government control over the economy. And, one way or another, the Left also seems to always want to deny very basic facts about reality.

    Trotsky, for example, made the claim that under socialism:

    Man will become immeasurably stronger, wiser and subtler; his body will become more harmonized, his movements more rhythmic, his voice more musical. The forms of life will become dynamically dramatic. The average human type will rise to the heights of an Aristotle, a Goethe, or a Marx. And above this ridge new peaks will rise.

    And of course Marx and Engels famously declared:

    In communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic.

    No silly limits on human nature such as the need for the division of labor, or inborn talent, etc.!

    The cosmetic details may differ, but, yeah, I think our “Leftists” of today are indeed akin to the Leftists of yesterday — rebelling against human nature, eager to expand the state’s control over the economy, and, above all, athirst for power.

    Dissident asked:

    Note that your final block of quoted-text is unattributed. Where is it from?

    Oh, my own words — I just wanted to set them off. I should have added the bizarre “educational” hoops that we force our children to jump through. Childhood should consist of play, training in various skills, and gradual accepting of responsibilities — all with the aim of preparing the children to be responsible and productive adults. The schooling (and “extracurricular activities”) to which our children are subjected is the most lengthy in history, but it does very little to serve actual human needs. What skills or knowledge do most kids acquire in school after fourth grade that will serve them well as adults?

    • Thanks: Dissident
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