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From the Washington Post news section:

Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick, who engaged rioters, suffered two strokes and died of natural causes, officials say

By Peter Hermann
April 19, 2021 at 12:46 p.m. PDT

Capitol Police officer Brian D. Sicknick suffered two strokes and died of natural causes a day after he confronted rioters at the Jan. 6 insurrection, the District’s chief medical examiner has ruled.

The ruling, released Monday, likely will make it difficult for prosecutors to pursue homicide charges in the officer’s death. Two men are accused of assaulting Sicknick by spraying a powerful chemical irritant at him during the siege.

In an interview with The Washington Post, Francisco J. Diaz, the medical examiner, said the autopsy found no evidence the 42-year-old officer suffered an allergic reaction to chemical irritants, which Diaz said would have caused Sicknick’s throat to quickly seize. Diaz also said there was no evidence of internal or external injuries.

The medical examiner noted Sicknick was among the officers who engaged the Capitol mob and said “all that transpired played a role in his condition.”

Sicknick collapsed after returning to his office during the riot and died about eight hours later, on Jan. 7.

Diaz said Sicknick suffered two strokes at the base of the brain stem caused by a clot in an artery that supplies blood to that area of the body. Diaz said he could not comment on whether Sicknick had a preexisting medical condition, citing privacy laws. …

The senator [Cory Booker] described Sicknick’s death as a “crime” that “demands the full attention of federal law enforcement.” He said that “when white supremacists attacked our nation’s capital, they took the life of one of our officers. They spilled his blood, they took our son away from his parents. They took a sibling away from their brothers.”

 
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  1. Interesting contrast to the craven examiners in Minnesota, but I guess they already achieved what they wanted, and the press will remember this like they remember Russian collusion blowing up in their own faces.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @J.Ross

    You gotta admit, it's very unusual for such a young, seemingly otherwise healthy man to die of a stroke. It certainly didn't serve my agenda to have a Capitol cop die on that day, but I gotta admit it's a pretty crazy coincidence if it wasn't homicide.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Nicholas Stix, @Art Deco, @Gordo, @Forbes

  2. I’m confused.

    Are we supposed to love or hate the cops?

    During the summer, they told us that the cops were horrendous.
    After the ‘insurrection,’ they told us the cops were heroic and defenders of freedom.
    More recently, the cops became evil again.

    So what’s the deal now? Are we supposed to celebrate cops again?

    The number of mental somersaults that I’m having to do is tiring me out.

    After 9/11, the govt had this chart of color warnings. I think they should do that with the cops. On ‘blue’ day, we should thank cops for their service. On ‘black’ days, we should protest the cops.

    On particularly complicated days (like today), we could get a ‘blue’ or ‘black’ text (depending on the time of the day).

    Considering the severe penalties associated with insufficiently condemning/praising cops, I honestly think it’d be useful for someone to develop an app that alerts us what we need to be doing at any given moment in time. This is the sort of thing that could save your career and personal reputation.

    • Agree: Kronos
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The point is to confuse you. Saying that you’re confused, especially ironically, is announcing your own naïveté.

    You’re allowing them to paint you as a foolishly consistent hobgoblin.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  3. Yeah, it is kind of odd that HIPAA privacy laws continue after death. But Americans love their rules and regs.

    A death certificate is a public record, but if you want a copy of one for someone other than yourself, which is usually the case, then the cause of death will be removed from the copy given to you unless you are the next of kin.

    I guess it is good to keep these things private, but again this is part of the reason why we get rumors that Elvis lives, or that Barack was born in Borneo or that Governor deSantis was sired by pickled Neandertal DNA.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason

    All the GOP conservatives are giddy over DeSantis’ new anti-riot bill. Yeah, that’ll stop the malefactors from causing mayhem, as if looting, smashing windows, blocking traffic, et al., isn’t already illegal. So stupid. Conservatives talking about how great Florida is is so embarrassing. DeSantis, the Yale U. & Harvard Law grad and military veteran only narrowly defeated a corrupt mayor of Tallahassee and Florida A&M U. grad who was under federal investigation for corruption before the gubernatorial election. Still DeSantis won by a thread— 49.59% to 49.19%.

    Yeah, Florida— the white-trash and Jewish Riviera— will obviously go blue soon enough and it will be just like California except with hurricanes, crappy humid weather, white trash, and obnoxious retirees from the Northeast.


    And GOP conservatives are also pushing for DeSantis for President. He’ll be a bigger Zionist tool than Trump.

    https://img.haarets.co.il/img/1.7301154/71883614.JPG

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Anonymous, @Polistra, @Neoconned, @Pericles

    , @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle
    @Jonathan Mason

    In the State of Florida there are two types of death certificates.

    The long form and the short form.

    The long form lists the causes of death, if any, and the short form omits those details.

    Other than that the remaining information is the same.

    , @Cleve
    @Jonathan Mason

    >he doesn't know about the Neanderthals
    Filthy sape.

  4. That was fairly obvious when Sicknick’s family said they thought he had a stroke with no information from the government about the cause of death. They clearly knew the fire extinguisher story was a lie because his brother talked to him later that day. There must either family history of stroke risk or something else his own medical history to make them think he had a stroke. The only surprise is that the information was ever released at all.

    • Agree: Paul Jolliffe
    • Replies: @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle
    @Barnard

    Maybe the poor soul got one of the jabs from Pfizer or Moderna. Those spiked proteins will rip you a new one. And, the Pfizer and Moderna jabs are even more known for causing blood clots than even the J&J jab.

    Of course, we'll never know if he received the death jab, HIPPA you know.

  5. The reporter on that story is an increasingly rare type at papers like the Washington Post. A guy with a degree from Marquette who worked 22 years for the Baltimore Sun and covered the crime beat and the PD there.

  6. So – The Gateway Pundit was on the right track here very soon – after a few days.
    They mentioned an inside source telling them Brian Sicknick had died of a natural cause.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Dieter Kief

    Julie Kelly is the one who’s been on top of everything.

  7. Of course, the Post is not allowing comments on this story.

  8. Now, what about these guys?

    Two police officers died by suicide after responding to Capitol riot

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/27/politics/police-officers-suicide-capitol-riot/index.html

    Has this ever happened before? Two cops off themselves because – what – they drew riot duty? Had to pull overtime? Two of them? Are cops such shrinking flowers?

    One of them, by the way, shot himself in a moving car, because………..that often happens.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @Mr. Anon

    Sounds like what happened to people involved with the Clintons or the JFK assassination.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Discordiax
    @Mr. Anon

    One of the cops who killed themselves, I remember, was a Capitol Police lifer, son of a Capitol Police officer.

    And on January 6, the Capitol Police failed pretty comprehensively at what they're supposed to do.

    So, the thing you built your identity on for your entire life, a big part of your family's identity, turns into a bucket of turds overnight. That's the sort of thing that can lead you to a dark place

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Ron Unz
    @Mr. Anon


    Has this ever happened before? Two cops off themselves because – what – they drew riot duty? Had to pull overtime? Two of them? Are cops such shrinking flowers?
     
    Yes, that also seemed "highly suspicious" to me. One I could understand, but two is really pushing it. I'd been expecting that some investigative journalist would look into the issue and at least describe the names and personal backgrounds of the individuals, but I haven't heard anything.

    Replies: @Neoconned

    , @Ron Mexico
    @Mr. Anon

    "One of them, by the way, shot himself in a moving car, because………..that often happens."
    Hadn't heard that. Thanks.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  9. Okay, so after 3 1/2 months from the Capitol protest march the constant but unsubstantiated lying about this man’s cause of death has been exposed.

    All deaths are tragic (well, some are welcome, not many). Sicknick’s was tragic.

    So the Narrative has to drop this one (though it will go largely unmentioned down the Memory Hole) and new, fresh lies will surface. I’m sure they are preparing lies blaming Trump for the upcoming war on Russia. Get those Geiger Counters ready!

    The “storming” of the Capitol building, which occurred when doors were opened by police, will continue to be lied about.

    All will continue to be pumped out by Narrative News Media Truth Combine. Don’t ask, don’t doubt.

    ” All the Carefully Curated News Fit for You to Read or Hear”

    • Thanks: HammerJack
  10. If he’d just been a POS junkie, they could still claim he was killed by “insurrectionists”.

  11. So, it’s not from the fire extinguisher, not from the spray, but a blood clot. It looks like the only killing that went that on at the Capitol that day was the murder of unarmed Ashli Babbitt by a cop with a .40 caliber pistol. (Not quite going along with the narrative here, guys.)

    I’m sorry for Mr. Sicknick. Its sounds like he was a pretty good guy from all I’ve read. Cory Booker ought to just shut his damn pie hole.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  12. I was near an NPR receiving device the other day and caught the couple of Beckys behind the mics going on at length about something or other. These women had, to quote Suzy Creamcheese, “the mentality of, approximately, one peanut.” between them.
    At some point, one of them said, “As a journalist, I know I’m not supposed to wonder.”
    She sounds like well trained NPR material to me.

  13. @J.Ross
    Interesting contrast to the craven examiners in Minnesota, but I guess they already achieved what they wanted, and the press will remember this like they remember Russian collusion blowing up in their own faces.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    You gotta admit, it’s very unusual for such a young, seemingly otherwise healthy man to die of a stroke. It certainly didn’t serve my agenda to have a Capitol cop die on that day, but I gotta admit it’s a pretty crazy coincidence if it wasn’t homicide.

    • Troll: TTSSYF
    • Replies: @Kronos
    @AndrewR

    Maybe Capital Hill is the easy location that cops with health problems go for? You likely deal mostly with lost tourists and white hippie protestors. (The Cornpops of the DC area aren’t too big with learning history.)

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @AndrewR

    Nah. Cops die of heart attacks in the line of duty a bit. Writers like former cop Joseph Wambaugh believe it's because long periods of inaction alternate with brief bursts of intense action.

    , @Art Deco
    @AndrewR

    One of the regulars here suggested he had a-fib. That can generate strokes and is not all that unusual for a man in his 40s.

    , @Gordo
    @AndrewR

    It wasn't 'that day'.

    Try harder.

    , @Forbes
    @AndrewR

    Well, he didn't die of injuries sustained--as attested by his family--so it's not a coincidence, crazy or otherwise.

  14. He was a Trump supporter. Probably a good man. RIP.

  15. Does the capitol hill pitch invasion hold the record for highest per capita heart attack deaths per hour in human history? It certainly most hold the record for highest ratio of heart attack deaths versus violent deaths in a violent insurrection in human history.

    As an aside, there might not be much on TV but 2020’s favourite reality TV show is coming back soon.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Altai

    If they were smart they'd have a trail of Popeye's chicken sandwiches, skittles, and purple drank leading out of the city.

    , @Alden
    @Altai

    Schools are closed too. It’s a good idea but it would be nice if the good Whites got a taste of what blacks can do to White children. The good Whites would probably forgive the blacks if they were caught. Black riots are a permanent feature of life in America, like the weather. Every few years there’s a hurricane tornado heat wave or blizzards depending on location.

    , @Anon
    @Altai

    I suspect that big cities are soon going to build in a new architectural style that no longer involves a lot of large glass panes at street level. You know, something akin to Richardson Romanesque with a lot of firm, useful stonework. Neo-Medieval Castle, as it were.

    No wonder the Eastern European commies favored ugly brick/concrete boxes with blank facades. They're riot-proof.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Kronos

    , @Wilkey
    @Altai


    Does the capitol hill pitch invasion hold the record for highest per capita heart attack deaths per hour in human history? It certainly most hold the record for highest ratio of heart attack deaths versus violent deaths in a violent insurrection in human history.
     
    Only one heart attack death.

    Of the five deaths during or shortly after the incursion on the Capitol grounds, one was murdered by a Capitol Hill police officer, one died from an amphetamine overdose, one man died of a heart attack, and two, including Sicknick, died from stroke.

    Sicknick was 42, but the other stroke victim and the heart attack victim were both in their 50s. That's when a poorly lived life really begins to catch up with you - stroke, heart disease, cancer, and God knows what else. Wander through a nearby cemetery if you don't believe me. There are a lot more people dying in their 50s than you would ever guess.

    This is what a growing number of conservatives look like - men (and sometimes women) who haven't even attempted to live healthy lives, and who mock much of the reliable health information that is out there. We need all the voters we can get (preferably ones who don't die of clogged arteries at the age of 50) but it's still all rather embarrassing.

    Put down the bacon double cheeseburgers, folks, and eat a vegetable every now and then.

    , @Forbes
    @Altai

    Is it any wonder lumber prices continue to rise to exorbitant levels due to excessive (and previously unanticipated) demand as businesses across America board-up their windows and storefronts to protect against rioting--vandalism, looting, and arson.

    He said, only half joking.

  16. How’s the investigation going into the identity of the pipe bomber? Surely law enforcement has run a gait and phenotype analysis by now of the video that was taken of him. Have they told the public what we should be looking out for?

  17. This is shocking news! Shocking, I tell you!

    Ron Unz says:
    January 18, 2021 at 5:03 am GMT • 3.1 months ago • 100 Words ↑
    @JimDandy
    Hey, did a Capitol cop actually die because he was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher? I know one died the day (or so) after the 6th, and I know a fire extinguisher was thrown, but is it a closed case that that fire extinguisher killed that cop?

    That’s exactly what I’ve begun wondering. Given that zero details of the incident have come out, I’m getting pretty suspicious.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if that cop had died from a heart-attack or something, and his death was then conflated with the video of the thrown fire-extinguisher. I’m pretty sure that I read in the NYT that the fire-extinguisher video had nothing to do with the cop’s death, and I’m skeptical that there were two entirely separate fire-extinguisher incidents

  18. Anonymous[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    Yeah, it is kind of odd that HIPAA privacy laws continue after death. But Americans love their rules and regs.

    A death certificate is a public record, but if you want a copy of one for someone other than yourself, which is usually the case, then the cause of death will be removed from the copy given to you unless you are the next of kin.

    I guess it is good to keep these things private, but again this is part of the reason why we get rumors that Elvis lives, or that Barack was born in Borneo or that Governor deSantis was sired by pickled Neandertal DNA.

    https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/comp-1593267367.png

    Replies: @Anonymous, @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle, @Cleve

    All the GOP conservatives are giddy over DeSantis’ new anti-riot bill. Yeah, that’ll stop the malefactors from causing mayhem, as if looting, smashing windows, blocking traffic, et al., isn’t already illegal. So stupid. Conservatives talking about how great Florida is is so embarrassing. DeSantis, the Yale U. & Harvard Law grad and military veteran only narrowly defeated a corrupt mayor of Tallahassee and Florida A&M U. grad who was under federal investigation for corruption before the gubernatorial election. Still DeSantis won by a thread— 49.59% to 49.19%.

    Yeah, Florida— the white-trash and Jewish Riviera— will obviously go blue soon enough and it will be just like California except with hurricanes, crappy humid weather, white trash, and obnoxious retirees from the Northeast.

    And GOP conservatives are also pushing for DeSantis for President. He’ll be a bigger Zionist tool than Trump.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Anonymous

    Don't forget that DeSantis has already once moved his administration lock-stock-and-barrel for a spell to conduct government business in Israel!

    Replies: @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    The anti-riot bill doesn't "stop" rioters. It allows you to drive over them with your car-- that is what stops them. Next time your city fathers emulate Charlottesville or CHAZ by taking a relaxed approach to interdicting a mob at least they'll stay on the sidewalk

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Polistra
    @Anonymous

    Thanks. It doesn't speak well at all of the Republican Party that--over and over--they can't come up with any decent candidates for president. Something 'systemic' about them, I guess. Here they are planning to try yet another version of same-old, same-old while the Dems run off into the future.

    The best people we have are pundits like Tucker, Ann, Candace, et al.

    None of whom is really suited for public office, frankly.

    We also have Miranda Devine, Derbyshire, Steve..

    Replies: @Art Deco, @bomag

    , @Neoconned
    @Anonymous

    The white trash women in Florida as Jason Alexander has noted....."are really hot....."

    I agree with what you said otherwise to a point....i hate humidity....

    , @Pericles
    @Anonymous


    Yeah, Florida— the white-trash and Jewish Riviera— will obviously go blue soon enough and it will be just like California except with hurricanes, crappy humid weather, white trash, and obnoxious retirees from the Northeast.

     

    Though it looks to me like Florida Man will soon be overtaken by Minnesota Man.
  19. @Mr. Anon
    Now, what about these guys?

    Two police officers died by suicide after responding to Capitol riot

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/27/politics/police-officers-suicide-capitol-riot/index.html
     

    Has this ever happened before? Two cops off themselves because - what - they drew riot duty? Had to pull overtime? Two of them? Are cops such shrinking flowers?

    One of them, by the way, shot himself in a moving car, because...........that often happens.

    Replies: @Flip, @Discordiax, @Ron Unz, @Ron Mexico

    Sounds like what happened to people involved with the Clintons or the JFK assassination.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Flip

    The 'death of witnesses' meme in re the Kennedy Assassination (promoted by the film Executive Action is a mess of nonsense. About 4% of the people listed in an index of witnesses in the Warren Commission report died over a period of 3 years and change. The death rate of those witnesses was not peculiarly high.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  20. @Altai
    Does the capitol hill pitch invasion hold the record for highest per capita heart attack deaths per hour in human history? It certainly most hold the record for highest ratio of heart attack deaths versus violent deaths in a violent insurrection in human history.

    As an aside, there might not be much on TV but 2020's favourite reality TV show is coming back soon.

    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1384192424977723393

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Alden, @Anon, @Wilkey, @Forbes

    If they were smart they’d have a trail of Popeye’s chicken sandwiches, skittles, and purple drank leading out of the city.

  21. @Mr. Anon
    Now, what about these guys?

    Two police officers died by suicide after responding to Capitol riot

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/27/politics/police-officers-suicide-capitol-riot/index.html
     

    Has this ever happened before? Two cops off themselves because - what - they drew riot duty? Had to pull overtime? Two of them? Are cops such shrinking flowers?

    One of them, by the way, shot himself in a moving car, because...........that often happens.

    Replies: @Flip, @Discordiax, @Ron Unz, @Ron Mexico

    One of the cops who killed themselves, I remember, was a Capitol Police lifer, son of a Capitol Police officer.

    And on January 6, the Capitol Police failed pretty comprehensively at what they’re supposed to do.

    So, the thing you built your identity on for your entire life, a big part of your family’s identity, turns into a bucket of turds overnight. That’s the sort of thing that can lead you to a dark place

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Discordiax


    So, the thing you built your identity on for your entire life, a big part of your family’s identity, turns into a bucket of turds overnight. That’s the sort of thing that can lead you to a dark place.
     
    Yeah, but then you calculate how much your pension will pay out and have a beer. You must not know many government employees.
  22. @Altai
    Does the capitol hill pitch invasion hold the record for highest per capita heart attack deaths per hour in human history? It certainly most hold the record for highest ratio of heart attack deaths versus violent deaths in a violent insurrection in human history.

    As an aside, there might not be much on TV but 2020's favourite reality TV show is coming back soon.

    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1384192424977723393

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Alden, @Anon, @Wilkey, @Forbes

    Schools are closed too. It’s a good idea but it would be nice if the good Whites got a taste of what blacks can do to White children. The good Whites would probably forgive the blacks if they were caught. Black riots are a permanent feature of life in America, like the weather. Every few years there’s a hurricane tornado heat wave or blizzards depending on location.

  23. Anon[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    Does the capitol hill pitch invasion hold the record for highest per capita heart attack deaths per hour in human history? It certainly most hold the record for highest ratio of heart attack deaths versus violent deaths in a violent insurrection in human history.

    As an aside, there might not be much on TV but 2020's favourite reality TV show is coming back soon.

    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1384192424977723393

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Alden, @Anon, @Wilkey, @Forbes

    I suspect that big cities are soon going to build in a new architectural style that no longer involves a lot of large glass panes at street level. You know, something akin to Richardson Romanesque with a lot of firm, useful stonework. Neo-Medieval Castle, as it were.

    No wonder the Eastern European commies favored ugly brick/concrete boxes with blank facades. They’re riot-proof.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    The Chicago Nike store was built with relatively little plate glass in the 1990s following the Rodney King and Michael Jordan Riots of 1992. The White Sox ballpark and the Bulls arena appear to have been built in the early 1900s so that they could serve as emergency holding pens for rioters. A friend heard that from a major league baseball team owner.

    , @Kronos
    @Anon

    Many US embassies often had architecture with tons of glass. Which often proved disastrous on a variety of occasions.

  24. anon[650] • Disclaimer says:

    Im going full tinfoil here:

    2 Capitol police officers supposedly committed suicide, and Brian Sicknick was first described as killed by a fire hydrant to his head…….until video showed that to not be true. Then the media claimed Sicknick, a Trump voter, died from some kind of delayed response to pepper spray.

    Sicknick’s mom claimed they were getting phone calls about her dead son while he was very much alive.

    Does it really compute that 2 Capital police officers would have committed suicide because of emotional trama the day after the riots guys?

    Whose narrative did 3 dead police officers serve?

    I think someone in the Deep State wanted a body count and sub-contracted out some killers…..probably from an intel organization known for assasinations. My 2 cents.

  25. @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason

    All the GOP conservatives are giddy over DeSantis’ new anti-riot bill. Yeah, that’ll stop the malefactors from causing mayhem, as if looting, smashing windows, blocking traffic, et al., isn’t already illegal. So stupid. Conservatives talking about how great Florida is is so embarrassing. DeSantis, the Yale U. & Harvard Law grad and military veteran only narrowly defeated a corrupt mayor of Tallahassee and Florida A&M U. grad who was under federal investigation for corruption before the gubernatorial election. Still DeSantis won by a thread— 49.59% to 49.19%.

    Yeah, Florida— the white-trash and Jewish Riviera— will obviously go blue soon enough and it will be just like California except with hurricanes, crappy humid weather, white trash, and obnoxious retirees from the Northeast.


    And GOP conservatives are also pushing for DeSantis for President. He’ll be a bigger Zionist tool than Trump.

    https://img.haarets.co.il/img/1.7301154/71883614.JPG

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Anonymous, @Polistra, @Neoconned, @Pericles

    Don’t forget that DeSantis has already once moved his administration lock-stock-and-barrel for a spell to conduct government business in Israel!

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle
    @Dan Hayes

    Can you tell me which state I can move to where the politicians aren't under the thumb of the Kosher Nostra?

    Are there any countries out there that fit that description that aren't turd world shitholes?

    Right now I'll take DeSantis' governing style over others like Cuhomo and Greaser Gavin.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

  26. TPM Josh Marshall is the Gaëtan Dugas of the High Trust collapse. They tell themselves now that they lie because they have to. Marshall never had to.

  27. @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason

    All the GOP conservatives are giddy over DeSantis’ new anti-riot bill. Yeah, that’ll stop the malefactors from causing mayhem, as if looting, smashing windows, blocking traffic, et al., isn’t already illegal. So stupid. Conservatives talking about how great Florida is is so embarrassing. DeSantis, the Yale U. & Harvard Law grad and military veteran only narrowly defeated a corrupt mayor of Tallahassee and Florida A&M U. grad who was under federal investigation for corruption before the gubernatorial election. Still DeSantis won by a thread— 49.59% to 49.19%.

    Yeah, Florida— the white-trash and Jewish Riviera— will obviously go blue soon enough and it will be just like California except with hurricanes, crappy humid weather, white trash, and obnoxious retirees from the Northeast.


    And GOP conservatives are also pushing for DeSantis for President. He’ll be a bigger Zionist tool than Trump.

    https://img.haarets.co.il/img/1.7301154/71883614.JPG

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Anonymous, @Polistra, @Neoconned, @Pericles

    The anti-riot bill doesn’t “stop” rioters. It allows you to drive over them with your car– that is what stops them. Next time your city fathers emulate Charlottesville or CHAZ by taking a relaxed approach to interdicting a mob at least they’ll stay on the sidewalk

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anonymous


    The anti-riot bill doesn’t “stop” rioters. It allows you to drive over them with your car– that is what stops them. Next time your city fathers emulate Charlottesville or CHAZ by taking a relaxed approach to interdicting a mob at least they’ll stay on the sidewalk
     
    Yeah, ok, good luck with that. You run into a group of black protestors, even with no serious injuries to the mob, expect to surrender to an FBI SWAT team and have federal DOJ civil rights charges. Florida and DeSantis are reckless in promoting such a thing knowing the first white guy driving his truck throw a BLM protest will have a fate much worse than the January 6th dupes who were arrested.

    Replies: @bomag

  28. @JohnnyWalker123
    I'm confused.

    Are we supposed to love or hate the cops?

    During the summer, they told us that the cops were horrendous.
    After the 'insurrection,' they told us the cops were heroic and defenders of freedom.
    More recently, the cops became evil again.

    So what's the deal now? Are we supposed to celebrate cops again?

    The number of mental somersaults that I'm having to do is tiring me out.

    After 9/11, the govt had this chart of color warnings. I think they should do that with the cops. On 'blue' day, we should thank cops for their service. On 'black' days, we should protest the cops.

    On particularly complicated days (like today), we could get a 'blue' or 'black' text (depending on the time of the day).

    Considering the severe penalties associated with insufficiently condemning/praising cops, I honestly think it'd be useful for someone to develop an app that alerts us what we need to be doing at any given moment in time. This is the sort of thing that could save your career and personal reputation.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    The point is to confuse you. Saying that you’re confused, especially ironically, is announcing your own naïveté.

    You’re allowing them to paint you as a foolishly consistent hobgoblin.

    • LOL: Cortes
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Desiderius

    Hobgoblin?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8eHijlTocQ

    Didn't Spiderman take care of that whole thing?

    Replies: @Desiderius

  29. Was Officer Sicknick a Native American?

    A two-stroke Injun?

    I’ll get me coat, er parka, er moped…

  30. @Dieter Kief
    So - The Gateway Pundit was on the right track here very soon - after a few days.
    They mentioned an inside source telling them Brian Sicknick had died of a natural cause.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Julie Kelly is the one who’s been on top of everything.

  31. So the only homicide that occurred on January 6th was the unarmed white woman shot through the throat by a black fed without warning.

    • Agree: JerseyJeffersonian
  32. @Anon
    @Altai

    I suspect that big cities are soon going to build in a new architectural style that no longer involves a lot of large glass panes at street level. You know, something akin to Richardson Romanesque with a lot of firm, useful stonework. Neo-Medieval Castle, as it were.

    No wonder the Eastern European commies favored ugly brick/concrete boxes with blank facades. They're riot-proof.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Kronos

    The Chicago Nike store was built with relatively little plate glass in the 1990s following the Rodney King and Michael Jordan Riots of 1992. The White Sox ballpark and the Bulls arena appear to have been built in the early 1900s so that they could serve as emergency holding pens for rioters. A friend heard that from a major league baseball team owner.

  33. @Flip
    @Mr. Anon

    Sounds like what happened to people involved with the Clintons or the JFK assassination.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    The ‘death of witnesses’ meme in re the Kennedy Assassination (promoted by the film Executive Action is a mess of nonsense. About 4% of the people listed in an index of witnesses in the Warren Commission report died over a period of 3 years and change. The death rate of those witnesses was not peculiarly high.

    • Agree: David In TN
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco

    The death of a lot of people involved in those events was not surprising. Jessy Curry, the Dallas Police chief in 1963, is often mentioned as one of the suspicious deaths. An ex-cop dies at 67, 17 years after the events about which he "knew too much"? That doesn't strike me as suspicious.

    Dorothy Kilgallen and Mary Pinchot Meyer however? Their deaths were remarkably convenient.

    As were those of Johnny Rosselli and Sam Giancana.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Roselli

    On June 24 and September 22, 1975, Roselli testified before the 1975 U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCIA) led by Idaho Senator Frank Church about the CIA plan to kill Castro, Operation Mongoose. Shortly before Roselli testified, an unknown person shot and killed Giancana in the basement of his Illinois home. This happened just days before Giancana was to testify before the committee. Giancana's murder supposedly prompted Roselli to permanently leave Los Angeles and Las Vegas for Miami, Florida.

    On April 23, 1976, Roselli was called before the committee to testify about a conspiracy to kill President Kennedy.[3] Three months after his first round of testimony on the Kennedy assassination, the Committee wanted to recall Roselli. However, at this point, he had been missing since July 28.[12] On August 3, Senator Howard Baker, a member of the new SSCIA, requested that the FBI investigate Roselli's disappearance.[3]
     

    Replies: @Sam Malone

  34. @Altai
    Does the capitol hill pitch invasion hold the record for highest per capita heart attack deaths per hour in human history? It certainly most hold the record for highest ratio of heart attack deaths versus violent deaths in a violent insurrection in human history.

    As an aside, there might not be much on TV but 2020's favourite reality TV show is coming back soon.

    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1384192424977723393

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Alden, @Anon, @Wilkey, @Forbes

    Does the capitol hill pitch invasion hold the record for highest per capita heart attack deaths per hour in human history? It certainly most hold the record for highest ratio of heart attack deaths versus violent deaths in a violent insurrection in human history.

    Only one heart attack death.

    Of the five deaths during or shortly after the incursion on the Capitol grounds, one was murdered by a Capitol Hill police officer, one died from an amphetamine overdose, one man died of a heart attack, and two, including Sicknick, died from stroke.

    Sicknick was 42, but the other stroke victim and the heart attack victim were both in their 50s. That’s when a poorly lived life really begins to catch up with you – stroke, heart disease, cancer, and God knows what else. Wander through a nearby cemetery if you don’t believe me. There are a lot more people dying in their 50s than you would ever guess.

    This is what a growing number of conservatives look like – men (and sometimes women) who haven’t even attempted to live healthy lives, and who mock much of the reliable health information that is out there. We need all the voters we can get (preferably ones who don’t die of clogged arteries at the age of 50) but it’s still all rather embarrassing.

    Put down the bacon double cheeseburgers, folks, and eat a vegetable every now and then.

  35. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    The anti-riot bill doesn't "stop" rioters. It allows you to drive over them with your car-- that is what stops them. Next time your city fathers emulate Charlottesville or CHAZ by taking a relaxed approach to interdicting a mob at least they'll stay on the sidewalk

    Replies: @Anon

    The anti-riot bill doesn’t “stop” rioters. It allows you to drive over them with your car– that is what stops them. Next time your city fathers emulate Charlottesville or CHAZ by taking a relaxed approach to interdicting a mob at least they’ll stay on the sidewalk

    Yeah, ok, good luck with that. You run into a group of black protestors, even with no serious injuries to the mob, expect to surrender to an FBI SWAT team and have federal DOJ civil rights charges. Florida and DeSantis are reckless in promoting such a thing knowing the first white guy driving his truck throw a BLM protest will have a fate much worse than the January 6th dupes who were arrested.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Anon

    Let the Feds side with the looters.

    Reify the suck.

  36. When booker was mayor of Newark a local pundit told him…”You can either be the mayor or a rock star, you can’t be both.” booker chose the stage. booker joins a long list of Senators who play the part. All show, no substance.

  37. “They took a sibling away from their brothers.”

    Isn’t Cory Booker a Rhodes Scholar or something like that?

  38. @Desiderius
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The point is to confuse you. Saying that you’re confused, especially ironically, is announcing your own naïveté.

    You’re allowing them to paint you as a foolishly consistent hobgoblin.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Hobgoblin?

    Didn’t Spiderman take care of that whole thing?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Indeed.

    If you want to be a loser and be seen to be then keep playing the hypocrisy game.

    They’re hypocritical because they can be. Pointing it out is pointing out you own impotence.

    Stop.

  39. @Mr. Anon
    Now, what about these guys?

    Two police officers died by suicide after responding to Capitol riot

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/27/politics/police-officers-suicide-capitol-riot/index.html
     

    Has this ever happened before? Two cops off themselves because - what - they drew riot duty? Had to pull overtime? Two of them? Are cops such shrinking flowers?

    One of them, by the way, shot himself in a moving car, because...........that often happens.

    Replies: @Flip, @Discordiax, @Ron Unz, @Ron Mexico

    Has this ever happened before? Two cops off themselves because – what – they drew riot duty? Had to pull overtime? Two of them? Are cops such shrinking flowers?

    Yes, that also seemed “highly suspicious” to me. One I could understand, but two is really pushing it. I’d been expecting that some investigative journalist would look into the issue and at least describe the names and personal backgrounds of the individuals, but I haven’t heard anything.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Ron Unz

    Investigative journalists are a dead breed....Greenwald and the dude who got burned up in the wreck in L.A. after he did the Stanley McCrystal hit piece that made the spooks heroin control operations in Afghanistan were the last of their breed....

    Anyway wasnt this Sicknick guy cremated before anything could be done to verify cause of death?

    Replies: @Art Deco

  40. @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason

    All the GOP conservatives are giddy over DeSantis’ new anti-riot bill. Yeah, that’ll stop the malefactors from causing mayhem, as if looting, smashing windows, blocking traffic, et al., isn’t already illegal. So stupid. Conservatives talking about how great Florida is is so embarrassing. DeSantis, the Yale U. & Harvard Law grad and military veteran only narrowly defeated a corrupt mayor of Tallahassee and Florida A&M U. grad who was under federal investigation for corruption before the gubernatorial election. Still DeSantis won by a thread— 49.59% to 49.19%.

    Yeah, Florida— the white-trash and Jewish Riviera— will obviously go blue soon enough and it will be just like California except with hurricanes, crappy humid weather, white trash, and obnoxious retirees from the Northeast.


    And GOP conservatives are also pushing for DeSantis for President. He’ll be a bigger Zionist tool than Trump.

    https://img.haarets.co.il/img/1.7301154/71883614.JPG

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Anonymous, @Polistra, @Neoconned, @Pericles

    Thanks. It doesn’t speak well at all of the Republican Party that–over and over–they can’t come up with any decent candidates for president. Something ‘systemic’ about them, I guess. Here they are planning to try yet another version of same-old, same-old while the Dems run off into the future.

    The best people we have are pundits like Tucker, Ann, Candace, et al.

    None of whom is really suited for public office, frankly.

    We also have Miranda Devine, Derbyshire, Steve..

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Polistra

    It doesn’t speak well at all of the Republican Party that–over and over–they can’t come up with any decent candidates for president.

    Compared to whom? In the last century, there have been 26 presidential elections. The Republicans nominated an experienced executive 24x (John McCain and Richard Nixon in 1968 the exceptions). The only time the Democrats did that in the last 20-odd years was in 2016, and her most salient activity as an executive was concealing her pay-to-play schemes.

    , @bomag
    @Polistra

    I'll echo Art Deco: which Dem has been better than the Repub? Was Clinton better than Dole? Barry Soetoro better than McCain? Maybe, but otherwise the Dems have been plenty dreary.

    Replies: @HammerJack

  41. @Anon
    @Altai

    I suspect that big cities are soon going to build in a new architectural style that no longer involves a lot of large glass panes at street level. You know, something akin to Richardson Romanesque with a lot of firm, useful stonework. Neo-Medieval Castle, as it were.

    No wonder the Eastern European commies favored ugly brick/concrete boxes with blank facades. They're riot-proof.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Kronos

    Many US embassies often had architecture with tons of glass. Which often proved disastrous on a variety of occasions.

  42. @AndrewR
    @J.Ross

    You gotta admit, it's very unusual for such a young, seemingly otherwise healthy man to die of a stroke. It certainly didn't serve my agenda to have a Capitol cop die on that day, but I gotta admit it's a pretty crazy coincidence if it wasn't homicide.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Nicholas Stix, @Art Deco, @Gordo, @Forbes

    Maybe Capital Hill is the easy location that cops with health problems go for? You likely deal mostly with lost tourists and white hippie protestors. (The Cornpops of the DC area aren’t too big with learning history.)

  43. Doesn’t it make you feel old to hear that fellows named Brian are now dying of natural causes?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Reg Cæsar

    Not really. The median American dying today was born in the early 1940s.

  44. @Reg Cæsar
    Doesn't it make you feel old to hear that fellows named Brian are now dying of natural causes?


    https://www.babynamewizard.com/images/namevoyager/brian.m.png

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Not really. The median American dying today was born in the early 1940s.

  45. @AndrewR
    @J.Ross

    You gotta admit, it's very unusual for such a young, seemingly otherwise healthy man to die of a stroke. It certainly didn't serve my agenda to have a Capitol cop die on that day, but I gotta admit it's a pretty crazy coincidence if it wasn't homicide.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Nicholas Stix, @Art Deco, @Gordo, @Forbes

    Nah. Cops die of heart attacks in the line of duty a bit. Writers like former cop Joseph Wambaugh believe it’s because long periods of inaction alternate with brief bursts of intense action.

    • Thanks: Redneck farmer
  46. @AndrewR
    @J.Ross

    You gotta admit, it's very unusual for such a young, seemingly otherwise healthy man to die of a stroke. It certainly didn't serve my agenda to have a Capitol cop die on that day, but I gotta admit it's a pretty crazy coincidence if it wasn't homicide.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Nicholas Stix, @Art Deco, @Gordo, @Forbes

    One of the regulars here suggested he had a-fib. That can generate strokes and is not all that unusual for a man in his 40s.

  47. @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason

    All the GOP conservatives are giddy over DeSantis’ new anti-riot bill. Yeah, that’ll stop the malefactors from causing mayhem, as if looting, smashing windows, blocking traffic, et al., isn’t already illegal. So stupid. Conservatives talking about how great Florida is is so embarrassing. DeSantis, the Yale U. & Harvard Law grad and military veteran only narrowly defeated a corrupt mayor of Tallahassee and Florida A&M U. grad who was under federal investigation for corruption before the gubernatorial election. Still DeSantis won by a thread— 49.59% to 49.19%.

    Yeah, Florida— the white-trash and Jewish Riviera— will obviously go blue soon enough and it will be just like California except with hurricanes, crappy humid weather, white trash, and obnoxious retirees from the Northeast.


    And GOP conservatives are also pushing for DeSantis for President. He’ll be a bigger Zionist tool than Trump.

    https://img.haarets.co.il/img/1.7301154/71883614.JPG

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Anonymous, @Polistra, @Neoconned, @Pericles

    The white trash women in Florida as Jason Alexander has noted…..”are really hot…..”

    I agree with what you said otherwise to a point….i hate humidity….

  48. @Polistra
    @Anonymous

    Thanks. It doesn't speak well at all of the Republican Party that--over and over--they can't come up with any decent candidates for president. Something 'systemic' about them, I guess. Here they are planning to try yet another version of same-old, same-old while the Dems run off into the future.

    The best people we have are pundits like Tucker, Ann, Candace, et al.

    None of whom is really suited for public office, frankly.

    We also have Miranda Devine, Derbyshire, Steve..

    Replies: @Art Deco, @bomag

    It doesn’t speak well at all of the Republican Party that–over and over–they can’t come up with any decent candidates for president.

    Compared to whom? In the last century, there have been 26 presidential elections. The Republicans nominated an experienced executive 24x (John McCain and Richard Nixon in 1968 the exceptions). The only time the Democrats did that in the last 20-odd years was in 2016, and her most salient activity as an executive was concealing her pay-to-play schemes.

  49. @Ron Unz
    @Mr. Anon


    Has this ever happened before? Two cops off themselves because – what – they drew riot duty? Had to pull overtime? Two of them? Are cops such shrinking flowers?
     
    Yes, that also seemed "highly suspicious" to me. One I could understand, but two is really pushing it. I'd been expecting that some investigative journalist would look into the issue and at least describe the names and personal backgrounds of the individuals, but I haven't heard anything.

    Replies: @Neoconned

    Investigative journalists are a dead breed….Greenwald and the dude who got burned up in the wreck in L.A. after he did the Stanley McCrystal hit piece that made the spooks heroin control operations in Afghanistan were the last of their breed….

    Anyway wasnt this Sicknick guy cremated before anything could be done to verify cause of death?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Neoconned

    Anyway wasnt this Sicknick guy cremated before anything could be done to verify cause of death?

    No. And even without an autopsy, the attending physicians knew enough to give a precis of what was going on to his family.

  50. Compared to whom? Compared to someone like Barack Obama. You don’t have to like him to recognize that he was a candidate from Central Casting.

    When was the last time the Republicans had someone comparable? Reagan?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Polistra

    You don’t have to like him to recognize that he was a candidate from Central Casting.

    Actually, no. He was an empty suit who was glib when he had a TelePrompTer nearby.

    He wasn't an analogue to Reagan. Reagan had put in eight years in a public executive position. Prior to that, he'd worked in public relations, television acting, film acting, radio, and in the business end of Hollywood as a union official - more than 30 years in all. He was also a serious autodidact on politics and public policy. His wife was an actress turned housewife, not a conduit for bribes.

    Replies: @Polistra

  51. @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason

    All the GOP conservatives are giddy over DeSantis’ new anti-riot bill. Yeah, that’ll stop the malefactors from causing mayhem, as if looting, smashing windows, blocking traffic, et al., isn’t already illegal. So stupid. Conservatives talking about how great Florida is is so embarrassing. DeSantis, the Yale U. & Harvard Law grad and military veteran only narrowly defeated a corrupt mayor of Tallahassee and Florida A&M U. grad who was under federal investigation for corruption before the gubernatorial election. Still DeSantis won by a thread— 49.59% to 49.19%.

    Yeah, Florida— the white-trash and Jewish Riviera— will obviously go blue soon enough and it will be just like California except with hurricanes, crappy humid weather, white trash, and obnoxious retirees from the Northeast.


    And GOP conservatives are also pushing for DeSantis for President. He’ll be a bigger Zionist tool than Trump.

    https://img.haarets.co.il/img/1.7301154/71883614.JPG

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Anonymous, @Polistra, @Neoconned, @Pericles

    Yeah, Florida— the white-trash and Jewish Riviera— will obviously go blue soon enough and it will be just like California except with hurricanes, crappy humid weather, white trash, and obnoxious retirees from the Northeast.

    Though it looks to me like Florida Man will soon be overtaken by Minnesota Man.

  52. @Art Deco
    @Flip

    The 'death of witnesses' meme in re the Kennedy Assassination (promoted by the film Executive Action is a mess of nonsense. About 4% of the people listed in an index of witnesses in the Warren Commission report died over a period of 3 years and change. The death rate of those witnesses was not peculiarly high.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    The death of a lot of people involved in those events was not surprising. Jessy Curry, the Dallas Police chief in 1963, is often mentioned as one of the suspicious deaths. An ex-cop dies at 67, 17 years after the events about which he “knew too much”? That doesn’t strike me as suspicious.

    Dorothy Kilgallen and Mary Pinchot Meyer however? Their deaths were remarkably convenient.

    As were those of Johnny Rosselli and Sam Giancana.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Roselli

    On June 24 and September 22, 1975, Roselli testified before the 1975 U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCIA) led by Idaho Senator Frank Church about the CIA plan to kill Castro, Operation Mongoose. Shortly before Roselli testified, an unknown person shot and killed Giancana in the basement of his Illinois home. This happened just days before Giancana was to testify before the committee. Giancana’s murder supposedly prompted Roselli to permanently leave Los Angeles and Las Vegas for Miami, Florida.

    On April 23, 1976, Roselli was called before the committee to testify about a conspiracy to kill President Kennedy.[3] Three months after his first round of testimony on the Kennedy assassination, the Committee wanted to recall Roselli. However, at this point, he had been missing since July 28.[12] On August 3, Senator Howard Baker, a member of the new SSCIA, requested that the FBI investigate Roselli’s disappearance.[3]

    • Replies: @Sam Malone
    @Mr. Anon

    I'd heard of the exceedingly convenient and suspicious deaths of Dorothy Kilgallen and Mary Pinchot Meyer before, but somehow had never heard of the timely murder/disappearance of gangsters Roselli and Giancana. Thanks.

    The sheer *amount* of oddities surrounding the JFK killing and its aftermath - when they are all presented clearly - make it, out of all possible murders, the one least plausible to be the work of a single person, and the one least likely to have involved no post-hoc coordinated coverup by authorities.

    There's something willfully bizarre about anyone today still insisting that nothing substantive about the official story is questionable.

    Replies: @S, @Mr. Anon, @Art Deco, @S, @Art Deco, @Mr. Anon

  53. @Discordiax
    @Mr. Anon

    One of the cops who killed themselves, I remember, was a Capitol Police lifer, son of a Capitol Police officer.

    And on January 6, the Capitol Police failed pretty comprehensively at what they're supposed to do.

    So, the thing you built your identity on for your entire life, a big part of your family's identity, turns into a bucket of turds overnight. That's the sort of thing that can lead you to a dark place

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    So, the thing you built your identity on for your entire life, a big part of your family’s identity, turns into a bucket of turds overnight. That’s the sort of thing that can lead you to a dark place.

    Yeah, but then you calculate how much your pension will pay out and have a beer. You must not know many government employees.

    • Agree: Forbes
  54. Glad we heard that in our lifetime: Now, what about JFK?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @The Alarmist

    JFK was shot dead by Lee Harvey Oswald, a man too erratic and unpleasant to conspire with anyone. You heard that 56 years ago, you just refuse to believe it.

    Replies: @Sam Malone

  55. @Anon
    @Anonymous


    The anti-riot bill doesn’t “stop” rioters. It allows you to drive over them with your car– that is what stops them. Next time your city fathers emulate Charlottesville or CHAZ by taking a relaxed approach to interdicting a mob at least they’ll stay on the sidewalk
     
    Yeah, ok, good luck with that. You run into a group of black protestors, even with no serious injuries to the mob, expect to surrender to an FBI SWAT team and have federal DOJ civil rights charges. Florida and DeSantis are reckless in promoting such a thing knowing the first white guy driving his truck throw a BLM protest will have a fate much worse than the January 6th dupes who were arrested.

    Replies: @bomag

    Let the Feds side with the looters.

    Reify the suck.

  56. @AndrewR
    @J.Ross

    You gotta admit, it's very unusual for such a young, seemingly otherwise healthy man to die of a stroke. It certainly didn't serve my agenda to have a Capitol cop die on that day, but I gotta admit it's a pretty crazy coincidence if it wasn't homicide.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Nicholas Stix, @Art Deco, @Gordo, @Forbes

    It wasn’t ‘that day’.

    Try harder.

  57. Didn’t the second impeachment of Trump include an explicit statement that the mob killed an officer, presumably Sicknick?

  58. @Polistra
    @Anonymous

    Thanks. It doesn't speak well at all of the Republican Party that--over and over--they can't come up with any decent candidates for president. Something 'systemic' about them, I guess. Here they are planning to try yet another version of same-old, same-old while the Dems run off into the future.

    The best people we have are pundits like Tucker, Ann, Candace, et al.

    None of whom is really suited for public office, frankly.

    We also have Miranda Devine, Derbyshire, Steve..

    Replies: @Art Deco, @bomag

    I’ll echo Art Deco: which Dem has been better than the Repub? Was Clinton better than Dole? Barry Soetoro better than McCain? Maybe, but otherwise the Dems have been plenty dreary.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @bomag

    In terms of damage done to the nation and its reputation, George W. Bush may have been the worst president ever. And yes, more recently McCain and Romney were nightmare candidates. As was Bob Dole, earlier on. Even Trump was a bit of a nightmare in his way, but he was blessed with Hillary as an opponent.

    I say we can do better.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @bomag

  59. @Neoconned
    @Ron Unz

    Investigative journalists are a dead breed....Greenwald and the dude who got burned up in the wreck in L.A. after he did the Stanley McCrystal hit piece that made the spooks heroin control operations in Afghanistan were the last of their breed....

    Anyway wasnt this Sicknick guy cremated before anything could be done to verify cause of death?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Anyway wasnt this Sicknick guy cremated before anything could be done to verify cause of death?

    No. And even without an autopsy, the attending physicians knew enough to give a precis of what was going on to his family.

  60. @Polistra
    @Art Deco

    Compared to whom? Compared to someone like Barack Obama. You don't have to like him to recognize that he was a candidate from Central Casting.

    When was the last time the Republicans had someone comparable? Reagan?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    You don’t have to like him to recognize that he was a candidate from Central Casting.

    Actually, no. He was an empty suit who was glib when he had a TelePrompTer nearby.

    He wasn’t an analogue to Reagan. Reagan had put in eight years in a public executive position. Prior to that, he’d worked in public relations, television acting, film acting, radio, and in the business end of Hollywood as a union official – more than 30 years in all. He was also a serious autodidact on politics and public policy. His wife was an actress turned housewife, not a conduit for bribes.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Thanks: Johann Ricke, JMcG
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Art Deco

    You're discussing something entirely different: fitness for office.

    I'm discussing appeal to the electorate.

    Entirely different things.

  61. @The Alarmist
    Glad we heard that in our lifetime: Now, what about JFK?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    JFK was shot dead by Lee Harvey Oswald, a man too erratic and unpleasant to conspire with anyone. You heard that 56 years ago, you just refuse to believe it.

    • LOL: The Alarmist
    • Replies: @Sam Malone
    @Art Deco

    Funny man.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  62. @bomag
    @Polistra

    I'll echo Art Deco: which Dem has been better than the Repub? Was Clinton better than Dole? Barry Soetoro better than McCain? Maybe, but otherwise the Dems have been plenty dreary.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    In terms of damage done to the nation and its reputation, George W. Bush may have been the worst president ever. And yes, more recently McCain and Romney were nightmare candidates. As was Bob Dole, earlier on. Even Trump was a bit of a nightmare in his way, but he was blessed with Hillary as an opponent.

    I say we can do better.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @HammerJack

    In terms of damage done to the nation and its reputation, George W. Bush may have been the worst president ever.

    You need to get a grip.

    , @bomag
    @HammerJack

    Bush-the-W was paired against Al-the-Gore, so still a net gain in my book.

    I thought Dole was okay, and it would have been better to keep the Clinton wrecking crew off the national stage. But B. Clinton's presidency looks plenty conservative by today's standards.

  63. @Mr. Anon
    Now, what about these guys?

    Two police officers died by suicide after responding to Capitol riot

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/27/politics/police-officers-suicide-capitol-riot/index.html
     

    Has this ever happened before? Two cops off themselves because - what - they drew riot duty? Had to pull overtime? Two of them? Are cops such shrinking flowers?

    One of them, by the way, shot himself in a moving car, because...........that often happens.

    Replies: @Flip, @Discordiax, @Ron Unz, @Ron Mexico

    “One of them, by the way, shot himself in a moving car, because………..that often happens.”
    Hadn’t heard that. Thanks.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Ron Mexico

    I haven't heard much of anything about the two suicides among Capitol cops.

    Replies: @anon

  64. Officer Sicknick fell sick just in the nick of time, for Trump to be blamed for the crime.

  65. @Ron Mexico
    @Mr. Anon

    "One of them, by the way, shot himself in a moving car, because………..that often happens."
    Hadn't heard that. Thanks.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I haven’t heard much of anything about the two suicides among Capitol cops.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Steve Sailer

    I haven’t heard much of anything about the two suicides among Capitol cops.

    Because that is not news. Did you hear? Not news.

    Citizen, that is not news, do you understand?

    Not News

  66. @Art Deco
    @The Alarmist

    JFK was shot dead by Lee Harvey Oswald, a man too erratic and unpleasant to conspire with anyone. You heard that 56 years ago, you just refuse to believe it.

    Replies: @Sam Malone

    Funny man.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Sam Malone

    What, because I don't invest in nonsense propagated by David Lifton or whichever crank you're reading today?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  67. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Desiderius

    Hobgoblin?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8eHijlTocQ

    Didn't Spiderman take care of that whole thing?

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Indeed.

    If you want to be a loser and be seen to be then keep playing the hypocrisy game.

    They’re hypocritical because they can be. Pointing it out is pointing out you own impotence.

    Stop.

  68. @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco

    The death of a lot of people involved in those events was not surprising. Jessy Curry, the Dallas Police chief in 1963, is often mentioned as one of the suspicious deaths. An ex-cop dies at 67, 17 years after the events about which he "knew too much"? That doesn't strike me as suspicious.

    Dorothy Kilgallen and Mary Pinchot Meyer however? Their deaths were remarkably convenient.

    As were those of Johnny Rosselli and Sam Giancana.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Roselli

    On June 24 and September 22, 1975, Roselli testified before the 1975 U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCIA) led by Idaho Senator Frank Church about the CIA plan to kill Castro, Operation Mongoose. Shortly before Roselli testified, an unknown person shot and killed Giancana in the basement of his Illinois home. This happened just days before Giancana was to testify before the committee. Giancana's murder supposedly prompted Roselli to permanently leave Los Angeles and Las Vegas for Miami, Florida.

    On April 23, 1976, Roselli was called before the committee to testify about a conspiracy to kill President Kennedy.[3] Three months after his first round of testimony on the Kennedy assassination, the Committee wanted to recall Roselli. However, at this point, he had been missing since July 28.[12] On August 3, Senator Howard Baker, a member of the new SSCIA, requested that the FBI investigate Roselli's disappearance.[3]
     

    Replies: @Sam Malone

    I’d heard of the exceedingly convenient and suspicious deaths of Dorothy Kilgallen and Mary Pinchot Meyer before, but somehow had never heard of the timely murder/disappearance of gangsters Roselli and Giancana. Thanks.

    The sheer *amount* of oddities surrounding the JFK killing and its aftermath – when they are all presented clearly – make it, out of all possible murders, the one least plausible to be the work of a single person, and the one least likely to have involved no post-hoc coordinated coverup by authorities.

    There’s something willfully bizarre about anyone today still insisting that nothing substantive about the official story is questionable.

    • Replies: @S
    @Sam Malone


    The sheer *amount* of oddities surrounding the JFK killing and its aftermath – when they are all presented clearly – make it, out of all possible murders, the one least plausible to be the work of a single person...
     
    If you're interested in 'oddities' surrounding the JFK assassination, check out the link below regarding instances of potential predictive programming in the corporate mass media which were filmed prior to the actual event on Nov 22, 1963. It indicates the possibility that either someone (and, or, 'something') besides Oswald knew what was going to happen in Dallas well beforehand.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/wapo-it-was-racist-of-chauvin-to-worry-that-blacks-might-riot/#comment-4564518
    , @Mr. Anon
    @Sam Malone


    There’s something willfully bizarre about anyone today still insisting that nothing substantive about the official story is questionable.
     
    And as if conjured, enter "willfully bizarre" commenter "Art Deco" to prove your point.
    , @Art Deco
    @Sam Malone

    There’s something willfully bizarre about anyone today still insisting that nothing substantive about the official story is questionable.

    There's nothing bizarre at all about it. You've had 56 years to come up with an alternative explanation assembled through inductive reasoning and demonstrable with forensic evidence and testimony delivered with the proper attestations. You keep failing at it. Here's a suggestion: no such explanation exists, because the correct explanation is the one given you in 1964.

    , @S
    @Sam Malone


    The sheer *amount* of oddities surrounding the JFK killing and its aftermath – when they are all presented clearly – make it, out of all possible murders, the one least plausible to be the work of a single person…
     
    If you’re interested in ‘oddities’ surrounding the JFK assassination, check out the link below regarding instances of potential predictive programming in the corporate mass media which were filmed prior to the actual event on Nov 22, 1963. It indicates the possibility that either someone (and, or, ‘something’) besides Oswald knew what was going to happen in Dallas well beforehand.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/wapo-it-was-racist-of-chauvin-to-worry-that-blacks-might-riot/#comment-4564518
    , @Art Deco
    @Sam Malone

    The sheer *amount* of oddities surrounding the JFK killing and its aftermath – when they are all presented clearly – make it, out of all possible murders, the one least plausible to be the work of a single person, and the one least likely to have involved no post-hoc coordinated coverup by authorities.

    That's your imagination at work. The 'oddities' go away when you start to think clearly, something you refuse to do.

    Step one is realizing that all three shots were from the rear. Step two is realizing that Gov. Connolly was seated on a meridian 6" to the President's left and several inches closer to the ground as he was in a jump seat. The Governor, the President, and Oswald's sniper's nest line up adequately. Step three is asking yourself who would hire Oswald to do anything challenging. In his sorry-assed life he had demonstrated one talent: getting fired from his job. Step four is realizing he blamed Gov. Connolly for his dishonorable discharge from the Marine Corps. He was vociferous enough about it that Newsweek could locate thirty years later people in Ruth Paine's social circle who remembered him unloading on the subject.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Sam Malone

    Behold the contemptible ass, Art Deco. Authorities tell him something, so he believes it. Because - after all - why would Allen Dulles lie to him?

    Replies: @Art Deco

  69. @HammerJack
    @bomag

    In terms of damage done to the nation and its reputation, George W. Bush may have been the worst president ever. And yes, more recently McCain and Romney were nightmare candidates. As was Bob Dole, earlier on. Even Trump was a bit of a nightmare in his way, but he was blessed with Hillary as an opponent.

    I say we can do better.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @bomag

    In terms of damage done to the nation and its reputation, George W. Bush may have been the worst president ever.

    You need to get a grip.

  70. @AndrewR
    @J.Ross

    You gotta admit, it's very unusual for such a young, seemingly otherwise healthy man to die of a stroke. It certainly didn't serve my agenda to have a Capitol cop die on that day, but I gotta admit it's a pretty crazy coincidence if it wasn't homicide.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Nicholas Stix, @Art Deco, @Gordo, @Forbes

    Well, he didn’t die of injuries sustained–as attested by his family–so it’s not a coincidence, crazy or otherwise.

  71. @Altai
    Does the capitol hill pitch invasion hold the record for highest per capita heart attack deaths per hour in human history? It certainly most hold the record for highest ratio of heart attack deaths versus violent deaths in a violent insurrection in human history.

    As an aside, there might not be much on TV but 2020's favourite reality TV show is coming back soon.

    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1384192424977723393

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Alden, @Anon, @Wilkey, @Forbes

    Is it any wonder lumber prices continue to rise to exorbitant levels due to excessive (and previously unanticipated) demand as businesses across America board-up their windows and storefronts to protect against rioting–vandalism, looting, and arson.

    He said, only half joking.

  72. @Jonathan Mason
    Yeah, it is kind of odd that HIPAA privacy laws continue after death. But Americans love their rules and regs.

    A death certificate is a public record, but if you want a copy of one for someone other than yourself, which is usually the case, then the cause of death will be removed from the copy given to you unless you are the next of kin.

    I guess it is good to keep these things private, but again this is part of the reason why we get rumors that Elvis lives, or that Barack was born in Borneo or that Governor deSantis was sired by pickled Neandertal DNA.

    https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/comp-1593267367.png

    Replies: @Anonymous, @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle, @Cleve

    In the State of Florida there are two types of death certificates.

    The long form and the short form.

    The long form lists the causes of death, if any, and the short form omits those details.

    Other than that the remaining information is the same.

  73. In terms of damage done to the nation and its reputation, George W. Bush may have been the worst president ever.

    You need to get a grip.

    You need to get a clue. Bush was a horrible President. You are not some universally recognized dispenser of truth. You’re a dullard who believes everything he has been told by establishment media, and a supercillious twit whom most everyone despises.

    • LOL: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    Whether I'm a dullard or not, I'm capable of reading production statistics, government accounts, crime statistics, data on war deaths, &c. George W. Bush did not preside over the Versailles conference, or of the catastrophic deflation in 1929-33, or over any of the 700 urban riots which occurred during the period running from 1964 to 1971, or over the mess that was Gen. Westmoreland's campaign in VietNam (58,000 dead, eventually), or over the currency erosion during the period running from 1966 to 1982, or over the wage and price controls ca. 1971, or over the own-goals in energy policy during the Nixon-Ford era. Nor did he preside over the gross public spending pukes of the last dozen years, or the use of the IRS to harass political dissidents.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  74. @Barnard
    That was fairly obvious when Sicknick's family said they thought he had a stroke with no information from the government about the cause of death. They clearly knew the fire extinguisher story was a lie because his brother talked to him later that day. There must either family history of stroke risk or something else his own medical history to make them think he had a stroke. The only surprise is that the information was ever released at all.

    Replies: @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle

    Maybe the poor soul got one of the jabs from Pfizer or Moderna. Those spiked proteins will rip you a new one. And, the Pfizer and Moderna jabs are even more known for causing blood clots than even the J&J jab.

    Of course, we’ll never know if he received the death jab, HIPPA you know.

  75. @Dan Hayes
    @Anonymous

    Don't forget that DeSantis has already once moved his administration lock-stock-and-barrel for a spell to conduct government business in Israel!

    Replies: @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle

    Can you tell me which state I can move to where the politicians aren’t under the thumb of the Kosher Nostra?

    Are there any countries out there that fit that description that aren’t turd world shitholes?

    Right now I’ll take DeSantis’ governing style over others like Cuhomo and Greaser Gavin.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle

    Unfortunately, none come to mind!

  76. @HammerJack
    @bomag

    In terms of damage done to the nation and its reputation, George W. Bush may have been the worst president ever. And yes, more recently McCain and Romney were nightmare candidates. As was Bob Dole, earlier on. Even Trump was a bit of a nightmare in his way, but he was blessed with Hillary as an opponent.

    I say we can do better.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @bomag

    Bush-the-W was paired against Al-the-Gore, so still a net gain in my book.

    I thought Dole was okay, and it would have been better to keep the Clinton wrecking crew off the national stage. But B. Clinton’s presidency looks plenty conservative by today’s standards.

  77. @Mr. Anon

    "In terms of damage done to the nation and its reputation, George W. Bush may have been the worst president ever."

    You need to get a grip.
     

    You need to get a clue. Bush was a horrible President. You are not some universally recognized dispenser of truth. You're a dullard who believes everything he has been told by establishment media, and a supercillious twit whom most everyone despises.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Whether I’m a dullard or not, I’m capable of reading production statistics, government accounts, crime statistics, data on war deaths, &c. George W. Bush did not preside over the Versailles conference, or of the catastrophic deflation in 1929-33, or over any of the 700 urban riots which occurred during the period running from 1964 to 1971, or over the mess that was Gen. Westmoreland’s campaign in VietNam (58,000 dead, eventually), or over the currency erosion during the period running from 1966 to 1982, or over the wage and price controls ca. 1971, or over the own-goals in energy policy during the Nixon-Ford era. Nor did he preside over the gross public spending pukes of the last dozen years, or the use of the IRS to harass political dissidents.

    • Thanks: JMcG
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco

    He presided over the Patriot Act and launched the Forever War, you simpering idiot.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  78. @Sam Malone
    @Art Deco

    Funny man.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    What, because I don’t invest in nonsense propagated by David Lifton or whichever crank you’re reading today?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    What, because I don’t invest in nonsense propagated by David Lifton or whichever crank you’re reading today?
     
    No, because you believe in whatever nonsense establishment creeps propagate, you nitwit.
  79. S says:
    @Sam Malone
    @Mr. Anon

    I'd heard of the exceedingly convenient and suspicious deaths of Dorothy Kilgallen and Mary Pinchot Meyer before, but somehow had never heard of the timely murder/disappearance of gangsters Roselli and Giancana. Thanks.

    The sheer *amount* of oddities surrounding the JFK killing and its aftermath - when they are all presented clearly - make it, out of all possible murders, the one least plausible to be the work of a single person, and the one least likely to have involved no post-hoc coordinated coverup by authorities.

    There's something willfully bizarre about anyone today still insisting that nothing substantive about the official story is questionable.

    Replies: @S, @Mr. Anon, @Art Deco, @S, @Art Deco, @Mr. Anon

    The sheer *amount* of oddities surrounding the JFK killing and its aftermath – when they are all presented clearly – make it, out of all possible murders, the one least plausible to be the work of a single person…

    If you’re interested in ‘oddities’ surrounding the JFK assassination, check out the link below regarding instances of potential predictive programming in the corporate mass media which were filmed prior to the actual event on Nov 22, 1963. It indicates the possibility that either someone (and, or, ‘something’) besides Oswald knew what was going to happen in Dallas well beforehand.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/wapo-it-was-racist-of-chauvin-to-worry-that-blacks-might-riot/#comment-4564518

  80. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    Whether I'm a dullard or not, I'm capable of reading production statistics, government accounts, crime statistics, data on war deaths, &c. George W. Bush did not preside over the Versailles conference, or of the catastrophic deflation in 1929-33, or over any of the 700 urban riots which occurred during the period running from 1964 to 1971, or over the mess that was Gen. Westmoreland's campaign in VietNam (58,000 dead, eventually), or over the currency erosion during the period running from 1966 to 1982, or over the wage and price controls ca. 1971, or over the own-goals in energy policy during the Nixon-Ford era. Nor did he preside over the gross public spending pukes of the last dozen years, or the use of the IRS to harass political dissidents.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    He presided over the Patriot Act and launched the Forever War, you simpering idiot.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    There is no 'forever war'. There's been a long and inconclusive operation in Afghanistan. It hasn't been terribly costly to the US even if you think it wasn't worth it. And it hasn't disrupted daily life in the United States. As for the Patriot Act, it's just another flawed statute, like innumerable others.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  81. @Art Deco
    @Sam Malone

    What, because I don't invest in nonsense propagated by David Lifton or whichever crank you're reading today?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    What, because I don’t invest in nonsense propagated by David Lifton or whichever crank you’re reading today?

    No, because you believe in whatever nonsense establishment creeps propagate, you nitwit.

  82. @Sam Malone
    @Mr. Anon

    I'd heard of the exceedingly convenient and suspicious deaths of Dorothy Kilgallen and Mary Pinchot Meyer before, but somehow had never heard of the timely murder/disappearance of gangsters Roselli and Giancana. Thanks.

    The sheer *amount* of oddities surrounding the JFK killing and its aftermath - when they are all presented clearly - make it, out of all possible murders, the one least plausible to be the work of a single person, and the one least likely to have involved no post-hoc coordinated coverup by authorities.

    There's something willfully bizarre about anyone today still insisting that nothing substantive about the official story is questionable.

    Replies: @S, @Mr. Anon, @Art Deco, @S, @Art Deco, @Mr. Anon

    There’s something willfully bizarre about anyone today still insisting that nothing substantive about the official story is questionable.

    And as if conjured, enter “willfully bizarre” commenter “Art Deco” to prove your point.

  83. @Jonathan Mason
    Yeah, it is kind of odd that HIPAA privacy laws continue after death. But Americans love their rules and regs.

    A death certificate is a public record, but if you want a copy of one for someone other than yourself, which is usually the case, then the cause of death will be removed from the copy given to you unless you are the next of kin.

    I guess it is good to keep these things private, but again this is part of the reason why we get rumors that Elvis lives, or that Barack was born in Borneo or that Governor deSantis was sired by pickled Neandertal DNA.

    https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/comp-1593267367.png

    Replies: @Anonymous, @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle, @Cleve

    >he doesn’t know about the Neanderthals
    Filthy sape.

  84. @Steve Sailer
    @Ron Mexico

    I haven't heard much of anything about the two suicides among Capitol cops.

    Replies: @anon

    I haven’t heard much of anything about the two suicides among Capitol cops.

    Because that is not news. Did you hear? Not news.

    Citizen, that is not news, do you understand?

    Not News

  85. @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco

    He presided over the Patriot Act and launched the Forever War, you simpering idiot.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    There is no ‘forever war’. There’s been a long and inconclusive operation in Afghanistan. It hasn’t been terribly costly to the US even if you think it wasn’t worth it. And it hasn’t disrupted daily life in the United States. As for the Patriot Act, it’s just another flawed statute, like innumerable others.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    There is no ‘forever war’. There’s been a long and inconclusive operation in Afghanistan. It hasn’t been terribly costly to the US even if you think it wasn’t worth it. And it hasn’t disrupted daily life in the United States. As for the Patriot Act, it’s just another flawed statute, like innumerable others.
     
    Hasn't disrupted your life because you live at a library reference desk and have the mentality of a galley slave. It has been an onerous intrusion into the lives of free men. To say nothing of all those guys who've been killed or had their limbs blown off.

    If you think it's such a worthwhile war, why don't you go fight it, you odious toad.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Art Deco

  86. @Sam Malone
    @Mr. Anon

    I'd heard of the exceedingly convenient and suspicious deaths of Dorothy Kilgallen and Mary Pinchot Meyer before, but somehow had never heard of the timely murder/disappearance of gangsters Roselli and Giancana. Thanks.

    The sheer *amount* of oddities surrounding the JFK killing and its aftermath - when they are all presented clearly - make it, out of all possible murders, the one least plausible to be the work of a single person, and the one least likely to have involved no post-hoc coordinated coverup by authorities.

    There's something willfully bizarre about anyone today still insisting that nothing substantive about the official story is questionable.

    Replies: @S, @Mr. Anon, @Art Deco, @S, @Art Deco, @Mr. Anon

    There’s something willfully bizarre about anyone today still insisting that nothing substantive about the official story is questionable.

    There’s nothing bizarre at all about it. You’ve had 56 years to come up with an alternative explanation assembled through inductive reasoning and demonstrable with forensic evidence and testimony delivered with the proper attestations. You keep failing at it. Here’s a suggestion: no such explanation exists, because the correct explanation is the one given you in 1964.

  87. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    There is no 'forever war'. There's been a long and inconclusive operation in Afghanistan. It hasn't been terribly costly to the US even if you think it wasn't worth it. And it hasn't disrupted daily life in the United States. As for the Patriot Act, it's just another flawed statute, like innumerable others.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    There is no ‘forever war’. There’s been a long and inconclusive operation in Afghanistan. It hasn’t been terribly costly to the US even if you think it wasn’t worth it. And it hasn’t disrupted daily life in the United States. As for the Patriot Act, it’s just another flawed statute, like innumerable others.

    Hasn’t disrupted your life because you live at a library reference desk and have the mentality of a galley slave. It has been an onerous intrusion into the lives of free men. To say nothing of all those guys who’ve been killed or had their limbs blown off.

    If you think it’s such a worthwhile war, why don’t you go fight it, you odious toad.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    It has been an onerous intrusion into the lives of free men.

    It's intruded on the lives of the Army and Marine Corps. Hasn't intruded on yours at all. No amount of inane huffing and puffing on your part makes it so.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    If you think it’s such a worthwhile war, why don’t you go fight it, you odious toad.

    For starters, I was too old in 2001 to enlist in the military.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  88. @Art Deco
    @Polistra

    You don’t have to like him to recognize that he was a candidate from Central Casting.

    Actually, no. He was an empty suit who was glib when he had a TelePrompTer nearby.

    He wasn't an analogue to Reagan. Reagan had put in eight years in a public executive position. Prior to that, he'd worked in public relations, television acting, film acting, radio, and in the business end of Hollywood as a union official - more than 30 years in all. He was also a serious autodidact on politics and public policy. His wife was an actress turned housewife, not a conduit for bribes.

    Replies: @Polistra

    You’re discussing something entirely different: fitness for office.

    I’m discussing appeal to the electorate.

    Entirely different things.

  89. S says:
    @Sam Malone
    @Mr. Anon

    I'd heard of the exceedingly convenient and suspicious deaths of Dorothy Kilgallen and Mary Pinchot Meyer before, but somehow had never heard of the timely murder/disappearance of gangsters Roselli and Giancana. Thanks.

    The sheer *amount* of oddities surrounding the JFK killing and its aftermath - when they are all presented clearly - make it, out of all possible murders, the one least plausible to be the work of a single person, and the one least likely to have involved no post-hoc coordinated coverup by authorities.

    There's something willfully bizarre about anyone today still insisting that nothing substantive about the official story is questionable.

    Replies: @S, @Mr. Anon, @Art Deco, @S, @Art Deco, @Mr. Anon

    The sheer *amount* of oddities surrounding the JFK killing and its aftermath – when they are all presented clearly – make it, out of all possible murders, the one least plausible to be the work of a single person…

    If you’re interested in ‘oddities’ surrounding the JFK assassination, check out the link below regarding instances of potential predictive programming in the corporate mass media which were filmed prior to the actual event on Nov 22, 1963. It indicates the possibility that either someone (and, or, ‘something’) besides Oswald knew what was going to happen in Dallas well beforehand.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/wapo-it-was-racist-of-chauvin-to-worry-that-blacks-might-riot/#comment-4564518

  90. @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    There is no ‘forever war’. There’s been a long and inconclusive operation in Afghanistan. It hasn’t been terribly costly to the US even if you think it wasn’t worth it. And it hasn’t disrupted daily life in the United States. As for the Patriot Act, it’s just another flawed statute, like innumerable others.
     
    Hasn't disrupted your life because you live at a library reference desk and have the mentality of a galley slave. It has been an onerous intrusion into the lives of free men. To say nothing of all those guys who've been killed or had their limbs blown off.

    If you think it's such a worthwhile war, why don't you go fight it, you odious toad.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Art Deco

    It has been an onerous intrusion into the lives of free men.

    It’s intruded on the lives of the Army and Marine Corps. Hasn’t intruded on yours at all. No amount of inane huffing and puffing on your part makes it so.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    It’s intruded on the lives of the Army and Marine Corps. Hasn’t intruded on yours at all.
     
    Yes it has. The surveillance state is encroaching on everything, you idiot. You don't mind infringements on your liberty because you have the mentality of a prison bitch.

    Oh, and it's only a problem for people who get killed. But since you're just fine, everything is peachy.

    You aren't a man. You are a vile, loathsome piece of human garbage.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  91. @Sam Malone
    @Mr. Anon

    I'd heard of the exceedingly convenient and suspicious deaths of Dorothy Kilgallen and Mary Pinchot Meyer before, but somehow had never heard of the timely murder/disappearance of gangsters Roselli and Giancana. Thanks.

    The sheer *amount* of oddities surrounding the JFK killing and its aftermath - when they are all presented clearly - make it, out of all possible murders, the one least plausible to be the work of a single person, and the one least likely to have involved no post-hoc coordinated coverup by authorities.

    There's something willfully bizarre about anyone today still insisting that nothing substantive about the official story is questionable.

    Replies: @S, @Mr. Anon, @Art Deco, @S, @Art Deco, @Mr. Anon

    The sheer *amount* of oddities surrounding the JFK killing and its aftermath – when they are all presented clearly – make it, out of all possible murders, the one least plausible to be the work of a single person, and the one least likely to have involved no post-hoc coordinated coverup by authorities.

    That’s your imagination at work. The ‘oddities’ go away when you start to think clearly, something you refuse to do.

    Step one is realizing that all three shots were from the rear. Step two is realizing that Gov. Connolly was seated on a meridian 6″ to the President’s left and several inches closer to the ground as he was in a jump seat. The Governor, the President, and Oswald’s sniper’s nest line up adequately. Step three is asking yourself who would hire Oswald to do anything challenging. In his sorry-assed life he had demonstrated one talent: getting fired from his job. Step four is realizing he blamed Gov. Connolly for his dishonorable discharge from the Marine Corps. He was vociferous enough about it that Newsweek could locate thirty years later people in Ruth Paine’s social circle who remembered him unloading on the subject.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    Step one is realizing that all three shots were from the rear.
     
    Based on what evidence? Can you cite the provenance for it? You act like you are some kind of unimpeachable source. You've only ever seen the same documents we all have. Your know-it-all act really wears thin for somebody as stupid as you are, you prating ass.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  92. @Sam Malone
    @Mr. Anon

    I'd heard of the exceedingly convenient and suspicious deaths of Dorothy Kilgallen and Mary Pinchot Meyer before, but somehow had never heard of the timely murder/disappearance of gangsters Roselli and Giancana. Thanks.

    The sheer *amount* of oddities surrounding the JFK killing and its aftermath - when they are all presented clearly - make it, out of all possible murders, the one least plausible to be the work of a single person, and the one least likely to have involved no post-hoc coordinated coverup by authorities.

    There's something willfully bizarre about anyone today still insisting that nothing substantive about the official story is questionable.

    Replies: @S, @Mr. Anon, @Art Deco, @S, @Art Deco, @Mr. Anon

    Behold the contemptible ass, Art Deco. Authorities tell him something, so he believes it. Because – after all – why would Allen Dulles lie to him?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    Mr. Anon, you have two tasks:

    1. Demonstrate the model developed by David Belin and Arlen Specter is unworkable. Josiah Thompson has put some effort into doing so, but not very successfully.

    2. Develop an alternative model. Start with actual evidence, not crazy speculation. Show how it fits verifiable facts (not factoids from the Wacky World of Websites) better.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  93. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    It has been an onerous intrusion into the lives of free men.

    It's intruded on the lives of the Army and Marine Corps. Hasn't intruded on yours at all. No amount of inane huffing and puffing on your part makes it so.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    It’s intruded on the lives of the Army and Marine Corps. Hasn’t intruded on yours at all.

    Yes it has. The surveillance state is encroaching on everything, you idiot. You don’t mind infringements on your liberty because you have the mentality of a prison bitch.

    Oh, and it’s only a problem for people who get killed. But since you’re just fine, everything is peachy.

    You aren’t a man. You are a vile, loathsome piece of human garbage.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    The surveillance is driven by available technology, not by George W Bush.

  94. @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    There is no ‘forever war’. There’s been a long and inconclusive operation in Afghanistan. It hasn’t been terribly costly to the US even if you think it wasn’t worth it. And it hasn’t disrupted daily life in the United States. As for the Patriot Act, it’s just another flawed statute, like innumerable others.
     
    Hasn't disrupted your life because you live at a library reference desk and have the mentality of a galley slave. It has been an onerous intrusion into the lives of free men. To say nothing of all those guys who've been killed or had their limbs blown off.

    If you think it's such a worthwhile war, why don't you go fight it, you odious toad.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Art Deco

    If you think it’s such a worthwhile war, why don’t you go fight it, you odious toad.

    For starters, I was too old in 2001 to enlist in the military.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    For starters, I was too old in 2001 to enlist in the military.
     
    Yeah, you chickenhawk a**holes always have an excuse. You could have gone over there as a civilian contractor.

    Or, why didn't you volunteer for whatever war we had going on when you were of age, you lame excuse for a man?

    Replies: @Art Deco

  95. @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    It’s intruded on the lives of the Army and Marine Corps. Hasn’t intruded on yours at all.
     
    Yes it has. The surveillance state is encroaching on everything, you idiot. You don't mind infringements on your liberty because you have the mentality of a prison bitch.

    Oh, and it's only a problem for people who get killed. But since you're just fine, everything is peachy.

    You aren't a man. You are a vile, loathsome piece of human garbage.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    The surveillance is driven by available technology, not by George W Bush.

  96. @Mr. Anon
    @Sam Malone

    Behold the contemptible ass, Art Deco. Authorities tell him something, so he believes it. Because - after all - why would Allen Dulles lie to him?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Mr. Anon, you have two tasks:

    1. Demonstrate the model developed by David Belin and Arlen Specter is unworkable. Josiah Thompson has put some effort into doing so, but not very successfully.

    2. Develop an alternative model. Start with actual evidence, not crazy speculation. Show how it fits verifiable facts (not factoids from the Wacky World of Websites) better.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco

    Why don't people like you ever attempt to explain the many inconsistencies and oddities surrounding such events and attempt to explain them in a way that other people would find plausible? Why do you always shove the burden of proof off on others. You are nothing but a craven apologist for power. Which is especially pathetic given what you are - an insignificant nobody - a laughing stock at an obscure website.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  97. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    If you think it’s such a worthwhile war, why don’t you go fight it, you odious toad.

    For starters, I was too old in 2001 to enlist in the military.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    For starters, I was too old in 2001 to enlist in the military.

    Yeah, you chickenhawk a**holes always have an excuse. You could have gone over there as a civilian contractor.

    Or, why didn’t you volunteer for whatever war we had going on when you were of age, you lame excuse for a man?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    Yeah, you chickenhawk a**holes always have an excuse.

    The military didn't accept enlistments from anyone past their 36th birthday in 2001. They raised the age limit in two ratchets over the next five years, but I was always over it. You fancy that's an 'excuse'?



    You could have gone over there as a civilian contractor.

    And done precisely what? I'm not in the construction business and I'm not in the private security business either. That's something I share with > 90% of the male working population.



    Or, why didn’t you volunteer for whatever war we had going on when you were of age, you lame excuse for a man?

    There were none.

    The 1st Gulf War was fought by activating the Reserves. I wasn't in the Reserves. Neither were > 95% of men of military age in 1990. As for the Lebanon operation in 1982-84, it incorporated about 0.1% of American military manpower at that time, all from the Marine Corps, a service for which only a minority of men in satisfactory physical condition could ever qualify.



    Whether something is an advisable public policy or not isn't contingent on my personal history or personal circumstances, and you wouldn't be advocating anything different were I a career Marine.


    Last time you were telling me that 300 year old property titles should be torn up because you don't like the current beneficiaries. Now you're telling me that Selective Service policy is my fault. Do you ever get tired of looking ridiculous?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  98. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    Mr. Anon, you have two tasks:

    1. Demonstrate the model developed by David Belin and Arlen Specter is unworkable. Josiah Thompson has put some effort into doing so, but not very successfully.

    2. Develop an alternative model. Start with actual evidence, not crazy speculation. Show how it fits verifiable facts (not factoids from the Wacky World of Websites) better.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Why don’t people like you ever attempt to explain the many inconsistencies and oddities surrounding such events and attempt to explain them in a way that other people would find plausible? Why do you always shove the burden of proof off on others. You are nothing but a craven apologist for power. Which is especially pathetic given what you are – an insignificant nobody – a laughing stock at an obscure website.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    There are salient details, and there is random noise.

  99. @Art Deco
    @Sam Malone

    The sheer *amount* of oddities surrounding the JFK killing and its aftermath – when they are all presented clearly – make it, out of all possible murders, the one least plausible to be the work of a single person, and the one least likely to have involved no post-hoc coordinated coverup by authorities.

    That's your imagination at work. The 'oddities' go away when you start to think clearly, something you refuse to do.

    Step one is realizing that all three shots were from the rear. Step two is realizing that Gov. Connolly was seated on a meridian 6" to the President's left and several inches closer to the ground as he was in a jump seat. The Governor, the President, and Oswald's sniper's nest line up adequately. Step three is asking yourself who would hire Oswald to do anything challenging. In his sorry-assed life he had demonstrated one talent: getting fired from his job. Step four is realizing he blamed Gov. Connolly for his dishonorable discharge from the Marine Corps. He was vociferous enough about it that Newsweek could locate thirty years later people in Ruth Paine's social circle who remembered him unloading on the subject.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Step one is realizing that all three shots were from the rear.

    Based on what evidence? Can you cite the provenance for it? You act like you are some kind of unimpeachable source. You’ve only ever seen the same documents we all have. Your know-it-all act really wears thin for somebody as stupid as you are, you prating ass.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    Mr. Anon, there were three shots, which produced four sets of wounds.

    The first shot missed the presidential limousine. Co-incident with that shot, a man named James Tague was hit in the face and received a superficial wound from a piece of macadam, as if a bullet struck the pavement and dislodged it. Mr. Tague was standing in front and to the left of the limousine.

    The second shot traveled through the president, exiting under his throat, then passed through Gov. Connolly's upper body, then through his wrist, then making a superficial wound on his thigh. Josiah Thompson has been attempting for 55 years to demonstrate that this reconstruction describes something impossible. Let's put that aside and look at the wounds. The trajectory of both men's wounds is downward. Unless you fancy there was a pair of gremlins on the floor of that limousine shooting at the president and the governor, those bullets have to have come from the rear.

    The third shot looks at first glance to have come from the front and right, given how the president's body reacted. The thing is, gunshot wounds generate front spatter (high volume) and back spatter (low volume). The high volume spatter hit the Governor and Mrs. Connolly (something to which they testified under oath). The low volume spatter was entirely liquid and hit a motorcycle cop riding alongside the limo. There was also a bullet fragment dug out of the windshield.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  100. @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle
    @Dan Hayes

    Can you tell me which state I can move to where the politicians aren't under the thumb of the Kosher Nostra?

    Are there any countries out there that fit that description that aren't turd world shitholes?

    Right now I'll take DeSantis' governing style over others like Cuhomo and Greaser Gavin.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    Unfortunately, none come to mind!

  101. @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco

    Why don't people like you ever attempt to explain the many inconsistencies and oddities surrounding such events and attempt to explain them in a way that other people would find plausible? Why do you always shove the burden of proof off on others. You are nothing but a craven apologist for power. Which is especially pathetic given what you are - an insignificant nobody - a laughing stock at an obscure website.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    There are salient details, and there is random noise.

  102. @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    Step one is realizing that all three shots were from the rear.
     
    Based on what evidence? Can you cite the provenance for it? You act like you are some kind of unimpeachable source. You've only ever seen the same documents we all have. Your know-it-all act really wears thin for somebody as stupid as you are, you prating ass.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Mr. Anon, there were three shots, which produced four sets of wounds.

    The first shot missed the presidential limousine. Co-incident with that shot, a man named James Tague was hit in the face and received a superficial wound from a piece of macadam, as if a bullet struck the pavement and dislodged it. Mr. Tague was standing in front and to the left of the limousine.

    The second shot traveled through the president, exiting under his throat, then passed through Gov. Connolly’s upper body, then through his wrist, then making a superficial wound on his thigh. Josiah Thompson has been attempting for 55 years to demonstrate that this reconstruction describes something impossible. Let’s put that aside and look at the wounds. The trajectory of both men’s wounds is downward. Unless you fancy there was a pair of gremlins on the floor of that limousine shooting at the president and the governor, those bullets have to have come from the rear.

    The third shot looks at first glance to have come from the front and right, given how the president’s body reacted. The thing is, gunshot wounds generate front spatter (high volume) and back spatter (low volume). The high volume spatter hit the Governor and Mrs. Connolly (something to which they testified under oath). The low volume spatter was entirely liquid and hit a motorcycle cop riding alongside the limo. There was also a bullet fragment dug out of the windshield.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco

    What you have described is simply an agreed upon fable with elements of the truth. You haven't cited any evidence.

    I don't imagine you could evaulate evidence even if you saw it. You are a dull-witted drone who reflexively believes everything he is told by authorities.

  103. @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    For starters, I was too old in 2001 to enlist in the military.
     
    Yeah, you chickenhawk a**holes always have an excuse. You could have gone over there as a civilian contractor.

    Or, why didn't you volunteer for whatever war we had going on when you were of age, you lame excuse for a man?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Yeah, you chickenhawk a**holes always have an excuse.

    The military didn’t accept enlistments from anyone past their 36th birthday in 2001. They raised the age limit in two ratchets over the next five years, but I was always over it. You fancy that’s an ‘excuse’?

    You could have gone over there as a civilian contractor.

    And done precisely what? I’m not in the construction business and I’m not in the private security business either. That’s something I share with > 90% of the male working population.

    Or, why didn’t you volunteer for whatever war we had going on when you were of age, you lame excuse for a man?

    There were none.

    The 1st Gulf War was fought by activating the Reserves. I wasn’t in the Reserves. Neither were > 95% of men of military age in 1990. As for the Lebanon operation in 1982-84, it incorporated about 0.1% of American military manpower at that time, all from the Marine Corps, a service for which only a minority of men in satisfactory physical condition could ever qualify.

    Whether something is an advisable public policy or not isn’t contingent on my personal history or personal circumstances, and you wouldn’t be advocating anything different were I a career Marine.

    Last time you were telling me that 300 year old property titles should be torn up because you don’t like the current beneficiaries. Now you’re telling me that Selective Service policy is my fault. Do you ever get tired of looking ridiculous?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    And done precisely what? I’m not in the construction business............
     
    We all know you have no usefull skill, unless pedantry is now counted as a useful skill. Perhaps you could have filed library cards in Kandahar. Use your imagination.

    As I said, chicken-hawk assholes like you always have an excuse. And apparently one you've put a lot of thought into. People like you are swine.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  104. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    Mr. Anon, there were three shots, which produced four sets of wounds.

    The first shot missed the presidential limousine. Co-incident with that shot, a man named James Tague was hit in the face and received a superficial wound from a piece of macadam, as if a bullet struck the pavement and dislodged it. Mr. Tague was standing in front and to the left of the limousine.

    The second shot traveled through the president, exiting under his throat, then passed through Gov. Connolly's upper body, then through his wrist, then making a superficial wound on his thigh. Josiah Thompson has been attempting for 55 years to demonstrate that this reconstruction describes something impossible. Let's put that aside and look at the wounds. The trajectory of both men's wounds is downward. Unless you fancy there was a pair of gremlins on the floor of that limousine shooting at the president and the governor, those bullets have to have come from the rear.

    The third shot looks at first glance to have come from the front and right, given how the president's body reacted. The thing is, gunshot wounds generate front spatter (high volume) and back spatter (low volume). The high volume spatter hit the Governor and Mrs. Connolly (something to which they testified under oath). The low volume spatter was entirely liquid and hit a motorcycle cop riding alongside the limo. There was also a bullet fragment dug out of the windshield.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    What you have described is simply an agreed upon fable with elements of the truth. You haven’t cited any evidence.

    I don’t imagine you could evaulate evidence even if you saw it. You are a dull-witted drone who reflexively believes everything he is told by authorities.

  105. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    Yeah, you chickenhawk a**holes always have an excuse.

    The military didn't accept enlistments from anyone past their 36th birthday in 2001. They raised the age limit in two ratchets over the next five years, but I was always over it. You fancy that's an 'excuse'?



    You could have gone over there as a civilian contractor.

    And done precisely what? I'm not in the construction business and I'm not in the private security business either. That's something I share with > 90% of the male working population.



    Or, why didn’t you volunteer for whatever war we had going on when you were of age, you lame excuse for a man?

    There were none.

    The 1st Gulf War was fought by activating the Reserves. I wasn't in the Reserves. Neither were > 95% of men of military age in 1990. As for the Lebanon operation in 1982-84, it incorporated about 0.1% of American military manpower at that time, all from the Marine Corps, a service for which only a minority of men in satisfactory physical condition could ever qualify.



    Whether something is an advisable public policy or not isn't contingent on my personal history or personal circumstances, and you wouldn't be advocating anything different were I a career Marine.


    Last time you were telling me that 300 year old property titles should be torn up because you don't like the current beneficiaries. Now you're telling me that Selective Service policy is my fault. Do you ever get tired of looking ridiculous?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    And done precisely what? I’m not in the construction business…………

    We all know you have no usefull skill, unless pedantry is now counted as a useful skill. Perhaps you could have filed library cards in Kandahar. Use your imagination.

    As I said, chicken-hawk assholes like you always have an excuse. And apparently one you’ve put a lot of thought into. People like you are swine.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    As I said, chicken-hawk assholes like you always have an excuse. And apparently one you’ve put a lot of thought into.

    It didn't require any thought at all, Mr. Anon. I know my date of birth and I know my skill set. (It would never have occurred to me to put in an application with Blackwater, something that doesn't differentiate me from about 98% of the male population in this country).

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

  106. What you have described is simply an agreed upon fable with elements of the truth. You haven’t cited any evidence.

    It’s all common knowledge Mr. Anon, based on the collected and available forensic and testimonial evidence. If it pleases you to fancy Mr. Kennedy’s wounds and Mr. Connolly’s were manufactured by a conspiracy incorporating the Secret Service and surgeons at Parkland Memorial Hospital, be my guest. Seems pretty silly.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Art Deco

    Art, I rarely disagree with you. In April, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald is credibly accused of attempting to assassinate General Edwin Walker with the same rifle that he later fired at the motorcade. Walker was sitting at his desk behind a window. Oswald is supposed to have fired from 100 ft away. He struck the window frame and the General was hit with some flying glass.
    I’m a very experienced rifle shooter. I have no doubt that Oswald was in the School Book Depository firing at the motorcade, but I don’t think there’s any way he hit Kennedy twice and Connelly once. Not with that rifle and that scope.

    Replies: @David In TN

    , @David In TN
    @Art Deco

    It's really frustrating arguing with these cretins who think JFK was important enough to have the Mob, CIA, Secret Service, Israel, Republican party, and every government agency but the Department of Mines join up to kill him. They even hire an unstable screwup to act as a "patsy."

    I was in the eight grade on November 22, 1963. The school intercom used by the principal for messages piped the radio announcing the death of the President.

    I revered John F. Kennedy until about 30 years ago. If the Establishment wanted to get rid of JFK, they could have exposed his private activities, which would have driven him from office and made him a world laughing stock.

  107. @Art Deco
    What you have described is simply an agreed upon fable with elements of the truth. You haven’t cited any evidence.

    It's all common knowledge Mr. Anon, based on the collected and available forensic and testimonial evidence. If it pleases you to fancy Mr. Kennedy's wounds and Mr. Connolly's were manufactured by a conspiracy incorporating the Secret Service and surgeons at Parkland Memorial Hospital, be my guest. Seems pretty silly.

    Replies: @JMcG, @David In TN

    Art, I rarely disagree with you. In April, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald is credibly accused of attempting to assassinate General Edwin Walker with the same rifle that he later fired at the motorcade. Walker was sitting at his desk behind a window. Oswald is supposed to have fired from 100 ft away. He struck the window frame and the General was hit with some flying glass.
    I’m a very experienced rifle shooter. I have no doubt that Oswald was in the School Book Depository firing at the motorcade, but I don’t think there’s any way he hit Kennedy twice and Connelly once. Not with that rifle and that scope.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @JMcG

    Oswald was not "credibly accused of attempting to assassinate General Edwin Walker with the same rifle he later fired at the motorcade" in April 1963.

    The authorities didn't know Oswald had shot at Walker until his wife Marina told them when interrogated after his death.

    A Carcano rifle is plenty deadly. The bolt action works faster than the German K98 Mauser, Japanese Arisaka, or Russian Mosin. Oswald likely didn't use the scope. It was set high enough to leave the iron sights open.

    A friend of mine visited the School Book Depository and saw the window Oswald fired the shots from. He was right on top of the Presidential limousine as it drove by, a close range shot.

  108. @Art Deco
    What you have described is simply an agreed upon fable with elements of the truth. You haven’t cited any evidence.

    It's all common knowledge Mr. Anon, based on the collected and available forensic and testimonial evidence. If it pleases you to fancy Mr. Kennedy's wounds and Mr. Connolly's were manufactured by a conspiracy incorporating the Secret Service and surgeons at Parkland Memorial Hospital, be my guest. Seems pretty silly.

    Replies: @JMcG, @David In TN

    It’s really frustrating arguing with these cretins who think JFK was important enough to have the Mob, CIA, Secret Service, Israel, Republican party, and every government agency but the Department of Mines join up to kill him. They even hire an unstable screwup to act as a “patsy.”

    I was in the eight grade on November 22, 1963. The school intercom used by the principal for messages piped the radio announcing the death of the President.

    I revered John F. Kennedy until about 30 years ago. If the Establishment wanted to get rid of JFK, they could have exposed his private activities, which would have driven him from office and made him a world laughing stock.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
  109. @JMcG
    @Art Deco

    Art, I rarely disagree with you. In April, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald is credibly accused of attempting to assassinate General Edwin Walker with the same rifle that he later fired at the motorcade. Walker was sitting at his desk behind a window. Oswald is supposed to have fired from 100 ft away. He struck the window frame and the General was hit with some flying glass.
    I’m a very experienced rifle shooter. I have no doubt that Oswald was in the School Book Depository firing at the motorcade, but I don’t think there’s any way he hit Kennedy twice and Connelly once. Not with that rifle and that scope.

    Replies: @David In TN

    Oswald was not “credibly accused of attempting to assassinate General Edwin Walker with the same rifle he later fired at the motorcade” in April 1963.

    The authorities didn’t know Oswald had shot at Walker until his wife Marina told them when interrogated after his death.

    A Carcano rifle is plenty deadly. The bolt action works faster than the German K98 Mauser, Japanese Arisaka, or Russian Mosin. Oswald likely didn’t use the scope. It was set high enough to leave the iron sights open.

    A friend of mine visited the School Book Depository and saw the window Oswald fired the shots from. He was right on top of the Presidential limousine as it drove by, a close range shot.

    • Thanks: Nicholas Stix
  110. @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    And done precisely what? I’m not in the construction business............
     
    We all know you have no usefull skill, unless pedantry is now counted as a useful skill. Perhaps you could have filed library cards in Kandahar. Use your imagination.

    As I said, chicken-hawk assholes like you always have an excuse. And apparently one you've put a lot of thought into. People like you are swine.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    As I said, chicken-hawk assholes like you always have an excuse. And apparently one you’ve put a lot of thought into.

    It didn’t require any thought at all, Mr. Anon. I know my date of birth and I know my skill set. (It would never have occurred to me to put in an application with Blackwater, something that doesn’t differentiate me from about 98% of the male population in this country).

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Art Deco

    AD, I don't know why you're even dignifying that mook with responses.

  111. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    As I said, chicken-hawk assholes like you always have an excuse. And apparently one you’ve put a lot of thought into.

    It didn't require any thought at all, Mr. Anon. I know my date of birth and I know my skill set. (It would never have occurred to me to put in an application with Blackwater, something that doesn't differentiate me from about 98% of the male population in this country).

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    AD, I don’t know why you’re even dignifying that mook with responses.

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