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Returning to the newly released official California homicide victim statistics:

In California, BLM’s Racial Reckoning took a far smaller toll in blood on whites than nonwhites.

From 2019 to 2020, white murder victims increased by 28 from 331 to 359. In contrast, the number of nonwhite murder victims was up by 485 from 1342 to 1827.

It was striking that Hispanics (+33.9% more murder victims) and Others (i.e., mostly Asians, +33.3%) were up nearly as much as blacks (+40.3%), all compared to whites (+8.5%).

California did not release any specific stats on who was victimizing people of different races, so it’s hard to evaluate between two slightly different subtheories of the Racial Reckoning’s murder surge: telling blacks and other nonwhites that they were oppressed and morally better than the police elicited exuberance vs. with the cops retreating to the donut shop, criminals got away with more criminality.

For example, was there really an explosion in Asians shooting Asians in 2020?

 
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  1. I suppose the Government could attempt to close the homicide gap by having the FBI murder white people at random.

    Oh, I forgot, they already do that.

    https://www.corbettreport.com/?s=trentadue

    • Agree: Bubba, J.Ross
    • Thanks: Paul Jolliffe
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Mr. Anon

    What?

  2. For example, was there really an explosion in Asians shooting Asians in 2020?

    Was there really an explosion in blacks shooting or beating Asians in 2020? I know the media started talking about it last year because they could blame drumpf and wypipo, but I never saw any indication that violent crime against Asians increased disproportionately to the overall violent crime rise. It was the same random violence blacks have always meted out against Whites and Asians, and it’s not new.

    And I won’t even get into “hate crimes” because it’s clear “hate crime” means “crime against this week’s hip minority” and the random violence against Whites would never pass muster as hate crimes like it does with Asians.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Pop Warner

    You need to put scare quotes around random.

  3. There is a “broken windows” aspect to this. If you tell blacks that shoplifting less than $950 is okay, criminality escalates from shoplifting to acts of greater exuberance.

  4. OTish, Supposedly May 14 & 15, next year in Pasadena, there will be a concert, government permitting, with pretty much every surviving New Wave person other than Siouxie.
    https://cruelworldfest.com

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    The new wave pecking order is apparently:

    Morrissey
    Bauhaus
    Blondie
    Devo
    Echo and the Bunnymen
    Psychedelic Furs
    English Beat
    Public Image Ltd

    Depeche Mode used to play the Rose Bowl because the Asians of the San Gabriel Valley were crazy about them. But they aren't at the show.

    I haven't seen an old band since The Ramones in 1994. The oldest guys I've seen were Bob Dylan in 1986, Paul Simon in 1985, and, maybe, David Bowie in 1983 (who had a bunch of big hits that year like "Let's Dance" and "Modern Love"). Are old people playing rock music depressing? A lot of rock stars become better musicians as the years pass, judging by PBS fundraiser-type shows, but rock is so much tied to youth that I've never been much inclined to go.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Morris Applebaum IV, @Achmed E. Newman, @JMcG, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @Dumbo
    @J.Ross

    Interesting line up. I didn't even know some of those people were still alive and playing music.

    I wonder who will be older, the audience or the musicians -- although I guess at least Morrissey has many new young (Mexican) fans (perhaps because he looks and sounds a bit like a mariachi?).

    The others, not so sure if they are popular with a younger crowd. Devo? Will they play "Mongoloid"? That might not go so well with the current California demographics... :D

    PIL? Does anyone even remember it? I thought Lydon was dead.

    And Blondie? How old is Debbie Harry now, she must be in her 70s.

    On the other hand, I'm getting older too. We all are.

    , @Clyde
    @J.Ross


    OTish, Supposedly May 14 & 15, next year in Pasadena, there will be a concert, government permitting, with pretty much every surviving New Wave person other than Siouxie.
    https://cruelworldfest.com
     
    These geezers will have 11 months to practice to make perfect, so it should be good. My advice is to buy your old CDs and play/practice along with them. Buy a teleprompter for the show.
  5. I’m shocked, SHOCKED to find there’s gambling going on in here…

  6. There goes the white trashionalist narrative. It’s getting safer and safer to be white in the majority nonwhite areas, and more dangerous to be a nonwhite male.

    • Troll: Hangnail Hans, Lurker, Clyde
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon

    https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.1626826287.9301/ur,mask_flatlay_front,product,600x600.jpg

    https://as2.ftcdn.net/jpg/03/56/38/85/500_F_356388575_D8N8US7jMrJWEGVgEPt1TbyqA112QMOU.jpg

  7. Steve-O, Praise the Lord, and Pass…

    https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshh9U87Q1c05I2sI6FU

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Truth

    You're a bright guy (relatively) Truth - what does the fact this isn't wall to wall headline news, complete with "Breaking Coverage" interruptions of sporting events tell you?

    Replies: @Truth

    , @fish
    @Truth

    Troof,


    What be up wit teh brutha......he talks lak wypipo?

    Replies: @Truth

    , @anon
    @Truth

    It appears they ran out of fuel and wound up on the shoulder of the freeway at 2 AM.

    What does that say about their logistical skillz?

    Then they were standing around obviously armed when the Mass. cops arrived.

    What does that say about their ability to keep a low profile?

    PS: +1 to William Badwhite's obviously obvious observation.

  8. I remember back in the 80s and early 90s, there was a problem with Asian gangs in California. Are there any Asian gangs left or are they defunct?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @JohnnyWalker123

    They grew up and went into sophisticated fraud and other financial crimes. Also they quickly killed off and heaped much shame on any co-ethnic who dared not pay extortion, ransoms or allowtheir homes and businesses to be used for prostitution massage places or illegal gambling.

  9. None of my concern. Interesting that the entire state of California with almost 40 million people has not many more murder victims than cities like DC Baltimore Atlanta Newark NYC Detroit Chicago and Milwaukee with 7 million to less than one million population.

    Could it possibly, possibly, be because our black population is only 5 percent in contrast to 20-90 percent? ???

  10. Related: Black North Minneapolis* prevails in a lawsuit. Judge agrees that there are too few police officers in the city.

    Judge’s Minneapolis police staffing ruling bolsters north Minneapolis residents

    This was the top above-the-fold story today. Section A. Top headline in Section B:

    Law enforcement groups sue Walz, Minnesota over new use-of-force standards

    Several wounded in overnight violence in Minneapolis
    A baby was grazed by a bullet, and a woman was in critical condition after a stabbing.

    South is where flailing fentanyl ODs are restrained. North is where babies are regularly “grazed” by stray bullets.

    *A directional directory for the city:

    North: black
    Northeast: ethnic-cum-hipster
    Southeast: student ghetto
    South: everything under the sun; affordable bungalows
    Southwest: white; unaffordable bungalows
    Lake of the Isles: like Southwest, but with water, and ever so much more so

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @Reg Cæsar

    So apparently the Southwest area is the safest neighborhood in Minneapolis. If I’m ever in Minneapolis, I’ll be sure to restrict my hotel/Airbnb search to that area. Thanks for the breakdown.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar

    Which is worse: ethnic-cum hipster or ethnic cum-hipster

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @OilcanFloyd

    , @guest
    @Reg Cæsar

    When I visit Minneapolis (rarely) it’s usually to hit up the “culture,” meaning higher culture, meaning museum, concert hall, theater.

    Which often means going across thoroughfares like Lake Street (imagine a street in Minnesota named Lake), which runs East-West from civilization to civilization. First you get your Popeyes chickens and pawn shops and all manner of stores with bars on their windows.

    That’s blank territory. I don’t stop there.

    Then you arrive at mixed hipster-immigrant territory. There you find some theater and bars. Lots and lots of bars. Also sex shops and rainbows and signs saying stuff like “all are welcome here.” Presumably to lure in fodder for chickenhawks.

    This is also where you’d find prostitution, if it were in the open. But it doesn’t have to be in our modern age of computer phones. Plus, I imagine lots of it takes place outside the cities in hotels around the airport.

    Finally, you arrive at places where not everything looks like shit. This is where rich people might live.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Minneapolis situation is sad. It used to be one of the whitest, most generically American (ok, Germanic but still generic) and pleasant American cities.

    Why are blacks even there? It's an absolutely terrible place climatically for blacks. And then replacing the ones who--wisely--leave for Atlanta with FOB Somalis? C'mon.

    It would be nice if we could have someplace without "diversity".

    How about for every racial/ethnic group--blacks, whites, Mexicans, Jews, Muslims, Chinese, Indians, Italians, Irish, Scots-Irish, etc. etc.--we have at least one city that is only for that group and one city where that group is not allowed. Then people would have a choice. Oh, i really don't want to live around those folks ... ahhh. Or i just want to live with my own people. Or i love the rainbow.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Reg Cæsar, @Thea

    , @reactionry
    @Reg Cæsar

    Re the "directional directory" for Minneapolis:

    According to Wiki "Marcy-Holmes is the first neighborhood of Minneapolis." Its commercial district is called "Dinkytown." One of the proposed etymologies is based upon the name of a building owner, Louis Grodnik. That surname means "a small (or dinky) town" in Russian. The transliteration appeared to my (generally ignorant in such matters) startled eyes to be similar to "Gorodki," a game played in which a bat of sorts is thrown at cylindrical "skittles" or townlets in order to knock them out of a square representing a city.


    The sport "was a favorite childhood pastime of the eponymous protagonist of the novel Pnin by Vladimir Nabokov" and near the end of VN's short story, "Sounds" there is "some skittles flew up with a clatter." (I posted something about "Sounds" awhile back. It strikes an ominous note when someone asks, "Where is Sarajevo?" after reading a newspaper.)
    "The Finnish variant is called kyykkä, or Finnish skittles."

    Perhaps a thousand years from now a Chinaperson will put forth a false or folk etymology for the name of Dinkytown based on fragmentary records which mention the death in Dinkytown of someone who might be confused with a "saint" other than Floyd: Aries Trayvon Hubbard.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Dinkytown+Hubbard+Trayvon&ei=X2zhYLaCF_PptQatwLKQCg&oq=Dinkytown+Hubbard+Trayvon&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQghEKABOggIABDqAhCPAToFCAAQkQI6CwguELEDEMcBEKMCOgUIABCxAzoCCAA6CAguELEDEIMBOggILhDHARCjAjoLCC4QxwEQrwEQkQI6BAgAEEM6CAgAELEDEIMBOgQILhBDOgUILhCxAzoLCAAQsQMQgwEQyQM6BQgAEJIDOgcILhBDEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToHCAAQsQMQQzoICC4QsQMQkwI6CwguEMcBEK8BEJMCOgIILjoFCAAQyQM6BggAEBYQHjoCCCY6BwghEAoQoAE6BQghEKsCSgQIQRgAUJw5WOiEAWC6iwFoAXACeACAAZ8BiAG3E5IBBDE3LjmYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEKwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwj2rYn_-sjxAhXzdM0KHS2gDKIQ4dUDCA8&uact=5

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinkytown

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Gorodki+better+than+war&ei=OWvhYOirNZbdtAbRkayYDA&oq=Gorodki+better+than+war&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQghEKABOgcIABBHELADOg4IABCwAxCKAxC3AxDlAjoCCAA6BAgAEB46BggAEBYQHjoFCCEQqwJKBAhBGABQmL0BWKzZAWCl3QFoAXACeACAAY4BiAGcC5IBBDE2LjGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6yAEJwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwiorI_z-cjxAhWWLs0KHdEIC8MQ4dUDCA8&uact=5

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorodki

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Mike Tre
    @Reg Cæsar

    Whatever one thinks of the judge's ruling, it ignores the larger point. They can order the city to retain any number of police they want, the challenge is getting anyone minimally competent enough to apply. I've been hearing that the Chicago Police Dept Academy is nearly empty.

    Then again, I'm glad it is. Not to go all old school gansta, but fuck the police. All they are now is either an armed extension of antifa policy or welfare with a badge.

    Replies: @anon

  11. I’m sure a lot of the black on black murders are cases where the victim was also a criminal. And at least some of the killers will be caught and taken out of circulation. So maybe the Racial Reckoning isn’t all bad for blacks.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Pittsburgh Thatcherite
    @Rob McX

    Dubai is a small kingdom in the middle east.

    90% of the Dubai's population are foreign guest workers, mostly uneducated young men from South Asia.

    Remarkably, Dubai has almost no crime.

    .

    How does Dubai prevent crime?

    Any foreign guest worker who commits any crime or is unemployed is deported.

    Deportation permanently removes dysfunctional people from Dubai, at no financial cost to Dubai.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV, @AceDeuce

    , @MattW
    @Rob McX

    The problem is reversion to the mean for all the children coming up in those communities.

    , @Bill Jones
    @Rob McX

    It would be interesting to know if anybody has actually done a calculation of of the net financial cost/gain to government of each tragic life cut short in the black community.

    Anyone wanna run a book?

    , @Dennis Dale
    @Rob McX

    They get to have their cake and eat it too--as they do generally. With white people and police out of the equation most blacks hate their more troublesome neighbors, and have no problem with them going away. Even the criminals and marginals don't mind when a local heavy-handed bully is sent up or shot down, but that doesn't stop them from marching and cashing in on the "tragedy" of the death of someone from whom the day before they hid, or some local ne'er-do-well they treated with contempt.

    So what incentive do black people have for coming around to reason? No more incentive than for voting Republican and escaping the "Democratic Plantation" and disdaining the condescension of "handouts"--ha!

    No more incentive than for getting their shit together generally. Black dysfunction translates directly into power in the current system. It's an energy source. You don't have to add water or plug it in. It's a nuclear fuel rod of demagogic energy, radiating in perpetuity.

    Black people fail their way to dominance and privilege.

    Replies: @guest, @Buffalo Joe

    , @Michelle
    @Rob McX

    Exactly right! Often, the "Victim" in an inner city murder, turns out to have been, formerly, the most dangerous member of the discordant parties. The least dangerous shot the most dangerous, because he was scared!

    Replies: @Alden

  12. Of California’s 513 Incremental Murder Victims in 2020, 485 Were Nonwhite

    The whites the Democrats want the blacks to murder have been fleeing California. (Along unfortunately with too many Democrats as well.)

    It’s too bad white Democrats aren’t getting a taste of the barbarism they’ve unleashed upon our nation.

  13. @Rob McX
    I'm sure a lot of the black on black murders are cases where the victim was also a criminal. And at least some of the killers will be caught and taken out of circulation. So maybe the Racial Reckoning isn't all bad for blacks.

    Replies: @Pittsburgh Thatcherite, @MattW, @Bill Jones, @Dennis Dale, @Michelle

    Dubai is a small kingdom in the middle east.

    90% of the Dubai’s population are foreign guest workers, mostly uneducated young men from South Asia.

    Remarkably, Dubai has almost no crime.

    .

    How does Dubai prevent crime?

    Any foreign guest worker who commits any crime or is unemployed is deported.

    Deportation permanently removes dysfunctional people from Dubai, at no financial cost to Dubai.

    • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
    @Pittsburgh Thatcherite

    An excellent policy. If we deported our criminals back to the region of their heritage, e.g. Africa or Mexico, our crime would drop and the country would be a better place.

    , @AceDeuce
    @Pittsburgh Thatcherite

    In addition, Dubai is part of the UAE, which has capital punishment.

  14. The expression “Idle hands are the Devil’s workshop” applies the most to black people, IMO, Maybe Hispanics would be 2nd, I dunno, but I can’t imagine it applies to the Asian population. Perhaps more of the perpetrators of the murders or the Californian Asians were black people last year. You have noted that the “snitches get stitches” attitude makes it hard to determine the culprits in black murders, but the victim is not black …

    How many White people are even left there, Steve? There’s you, Ron Unz, Alden …

    • Replies: @SafeNow
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “How many White people are even left there, Steve? There’s you, Ron Unz, Alden …”

    Also the airline pilots, air-traffic controllers, electricians, plumbers, and the USC water-polo team. Oh, I almost forgot myself (not actually “safe” - not from the affronts, frustrations, humiliations, and compromises of daily life - the SafeNow handle is autobiographical - I should change it).

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Alfa158
    @Achmed E. Newman

    About 38% overall. School age k-12 children in public schools are now down to 18%. Many White kids are in private schools so their overall percentage may be higher than that 18%, but on the other hand at the younger end of the school kids range, 18% White is probably optimistic. There is a public high school a mile east of my Whitopia. If you watch the 3000 kids leaving at the end of the day you will see a handful of kids who are clearly White.

    , @fish
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The expression “Idle hands are the Devil’s workshop” applies the most to black people, IMO, Maybe Hispanics would be 2nd......


    Driving into the East Bay from the Central Valley....if I see 4 lumps in a ratty sedan driving in a reasonable fashion predawn I know that it’s probably 4 Mexicans headed to do hard manual labor somewhere. If on the other hand I see (usually just two, but occasionally more) weaving across 4 lanes, frequently passing something with a burning tip between them, apparently in a great big hurry....to get to what.....not sure, maybe Calculus class, I assume that they are of another ethnic group.


    Sorry Achmed....partial credit only.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  15. Keep in mind there is a significant exodus of Whites out of California.

  16. @Rob McX
    I'm sure a lot of the black on black murders are cases where the victim was also a criminal. And at least some of the killers will be caught and taken out of circulation. So maybe the Racial Reckoning isn't all bad for blacks.

    Replies: @Pittsburgh Thatcherite, @MattW, @Bill Jones, @Dennis Dale, @Michelle

    The problem is reversion to the mean for all the children coming up in those communities.

  17. I would like to know the % of whites killed by non-whites pre-racial reckoning versus post-racial reckoning. The would tell me if racial reckoning is useful or not.

  18. The Police Chief of Chicago told that cities alderman that the courts are to blame for releasing too many criminals with nothing but an electronic monitor. That he cited a Chicago Tribune study is disturbing since you would think the CPD would be on top of this themselves but big city police chiefs are mostly negro AA hires these days and analyzing data is probably not their strong suit.

    My guess is the problem is the same or even worse in California where Gov Newsom has released tens of thousands of ex cons back onto the streets. Its all well and good to say they were convicted of non violent offenses but spending a few years ( or decades) in California’s gang run prisons doesn’t mean a person comes out the same as he went in. Dumping muscle bound prison gangsters on the sidewalks of Oakland or LA is going to have horrible consequences for those who interact with them.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @UNIT472

    If I were a police chief in some urban hellhole the first thing I'd do is some shift-the-blaming.

    I'd analyze the shit out of all the Judges decisions and their consequences: murders and other crimes committed by easy back on the street in no time sentences and publish a league table.
    I'd also include some information as to where they live: in the city or out, and for the benefit of black judges, if they live in white neighborhoods,

    Day two, I'd start on the ADA's

  19. Police-protected government terrorists are attacking people in front of the spa where a child molester claiming to be a tranny exposed his genitalia to little girls.
    One of the people they attacked (who was of course then arrested) was wearing a “rooftop Korean” shirt.

    • Thanks: Charon
  20. The FBI used to have EZASHR publicly available. Easy Access to Supplemental Homicide Reports.

    You could cross-tabulate by year, state, means, sex, race, age of victim and offender, offender-victim relationship, number of victims and offenders.

    EZASHR is gone. You can still find a few mentions and dead links.

    • Thanks: Charon
    • Replies: @David
    @Elli

    Still available: https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/ezashr/asp/vic_selection.asp

    , @res
    @Elli

    Did they just move it?
    https://www.ojjdp.gov/OJSTATBB/ezashr/asp/vic_selection.asp

    I was able to generate a 2019 table of Race of victim by Race of oldest offender.

    Note that 1/3 of the 2019 cases have an unknown race of oldest offender (I am curious what the 279 cases with unknown race of victim are).

  21. • Replies: @Muggles
    @Bill Jones

    So per this video on the "Moorish Citizens" they are black (Black!).

    Odd that while I've read some news accounts of this arrest, none of them mentioned that fact. I suppose I should have inferred, viz. our Soviet journalism now, that since they weren't being labeled "a white supremacist militia group" that they were some sort of POC bunch.

    Original "Moors" were from North Africa and while some are black most are MENA of Arab or local descent from several places.

    You also have to think or infer that this group arrest and running through the woods was based on informants of some kind tracking them.

    You can't be a "Sovereign Citizen" unless you have a bigger army than the US govt.

  22. @Rob McX
    I'm sure a lot of the black on black murders are cases where the victim was also a criminal. And at least some of the killers will be caught and taken out of circulation. So maybe the Racial Reckoning isn't all bad for blacks.

    Replies: @Pittsburgh Thatcherite, @MattW, @Bill Jones, @Dennis Dale, @Michelle

    It would be interesting to know if anybody has actually done a calculation of of the net financial cost/gain to government of each tragic life cut short in the black community.

    Anyone wanna run a book?

  23. @Reg Cæsar
    Related: Black North Minneapolis* prevails in a lawsuit. Judge agrees that there are too few police officers in the city.


    Judge's Minneapolis police staffing ruling bolsters north Minneapolis residents


    This was the top above-the-fold story today. Section A. Top headline in Section B:

    Law enforcement groups sue Walz, Minnesota over new use-of-force standards


    Several wounded in overnight violence in Minneapolis
    A baby was grazed by a bullet, and a woman was in critical condition after a stabbing.


    South is where flailing fentanyl ODs are restrained. North is where babies are regularly "grazed" by stray bullets.

    *A directional directory for the city:

    North: black
    Northeast: ethnic-cum-hipster
    Southeast: student ghetto
    South: everything under the sun; affordable bungalows
    Southwest: white; unaffordable bungalows
    Lake of the Isles: like Southwest, but with water, and ever so much more so

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @AnotherDad, @reactionry, @Mike Tre

    So apparently the Southwest area is the safest neighborhood in Minneapolis. If I’m ever in Minneapolis, I’ll be sure to restrict my hotel/Airbnb search to that area. Thanks for the breakdown.

  24. View post on imgur.com

    As you can see in the above chart, adult misdemeanor arrests fell by -23.1% from 2019 to 2020. Between 2015 and 2019, adult misdemeanor arrests fell by a more modest -7.3%.

    From 2019 to 2020, the fall in adult misdemeanor arrests was most notable for burglaries (-45.5%), liquor law violations (-49.4%), and public drunkenness (-35%). There were falls in all categories, EXCEPT gambling (+23.5%), traffic violations (+4.7%), and vandalism (+3.1%).

    View post on imgur.com

    For juvenile misdemeanor arrests, the fall was -46.5% from 2019 to 2020. Between 2015 and 2019, juvenile misdemeanor arrests fell by -46.8%. There were falls in all categories, EXCEPT traffic violations (+24.7%).

    View post on imgur.com

    Felony arrests fell -6.8% from 2019 to 2020. Homicide arrests increased significantly (+18.1%), as did arrests related to motor vehicle thefts (+6.8%), arson (+30.9%), and narcotics (+0.8%). All other categories saw falls.

    So there appears to have been a decline in the crime rate in California, with the decline most pronounced among juveniles. This decline in crime has evident for a number of years, but the Covid lockdowns may have produced an especially significant fall during 2020.

    However, the homicide rate seems to be a very notable exception to the above. Not only did homicide arrests increase by +18.1%, but the overall homicide rate went up by +31%. The discrepancy between the two figures is due to not all murderers being caught by the cops.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://imgur.com/a/oeu4ADe

    The above chart is based on national juvenile arrest statistics. The 2020 numbers haven't been released yet, but we have the figures up through 2019.

    The juvenile arrest rate has fallen by around 75% from the mid 90s through 2019. So a juvenile growing up in the mid 90s was 4 times MORE likely to be arrested than a 2019 juvenile. Which is an amazing difference.

    Even if you compare 2006 to 2019, a 2019 juvenile was roughly 1/3rd as likely to be arrested. What a change.

    https://imgur.com/a/izX9E11

    The juvenile liquor arrest rate in 2019 was less than 1/5th of the 2006 rate. Presumably, that means far fewer boozy house parties. See above chart.

    https://imgur.com/a/b9bEARX

    The juvenile public drunkenness arrest rate in 2019 was less than 1/5th of the 2006 rate. The 2019 rate was roughly 1/14th of the 1980 rate. So drinking&getting high with your friends in public was 14 times more common in 1980 than 2019.

    https://imgur.com/a/9AXU1xe

    The juvenile curfew&loitering arrest rate in 2019 was 1/10th of the 2006 rate. This is a good proxy for how much young people are hanging out in public places and staying out late. Young people must be staying home a lot.

    https://imgur.com/a/yxGkhaz

    For juvenile vagrancy, the arrest rate in 2019 was 1/14th of the 2006 rate. Youth vagrancy arrests are associated with youths who've run away from home and don't really have a permanent address. Basically, street kids. The type of youths who got groomed by the Rotherham Pakis, or Epstein&Maxwell in Florida.

    Young people seem to be disappearing from public places, while also partying WAY less.

    This is a generation who don't socialize much with their friends. Given that young people often get arrested while misbehaving with their friends, the lack of socialization is likely translating into fewer arrests.

    I'm not sure why this is happening, but I'd look at the following factors.

    -Helicopter parenting. Lots of Gen X parents partied too hard and socialized too much, often paying the price. So they're paranoid with regard to their own kids, who are now teens. They control their kids because they don't want them repeating their mistakes.
    -Strict policing keeping kids in line, deterring them from doing anything too "fun."
    -The increasing homework&extracirricular load, which leaves little time for friends.
    -The decreasing frequency of young people who work or hold odd jobs (like mowing the neighbor's lawn). So they don't have money to go out with their friends.
    -Smartphones and other electronic devices keeping young people occupied at home, while also providing them with an opportunity to socialize without being physically present in the same space.

    It's interesting. When you think about what young people were like back in the 80s and 90s, it's amazing how much they've changed.

    Replies: @Anon, @Nicholas Stix, @Alden

    , @res
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Remember, it is hard to overlook bodies. Don't assume a fall in arrests is the same as a fall in crime in other cases.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123, @J.Ross

  25. It’s almost like releasing criminals without bail, lowering charges or dismissing them, demoralizing police and de-funding law enforcement leads to more violent crime. Oh, early release too.

    More criminals on the loose = more crime = more victims. Especially in places where criminals like to hang out or live.

    Why this simple logic seems beyond Cali voters grasp is the true mystery.

  26. Its bad news,but kind of good bad news.

  27. Of California’s 513 Incremental Murder Victims in 2020, 485 Were Nonwhite

    IOW, a good start. Let the games begin.

  28. Rob says:

    This is a totally off topic question, but quite apropos of this blog. What is the future of America as a low tax, neoliberal paradise for capitalists as the capitalists both tighten the screws and import visibly alien foreigners as the brainy labor, judging by the income of Indian and indo-European mixes?

    It is one thing to be all rah-rah capitalism when your home (that you own) goes up 7%/year. It will be quite another thing when you either do not own your home, because venture capitalists bought that home, plus millions of others like it, and if you live in it, your rent goes up 7%/year, and you cannot afford to invest for much return in the market, because rent.

    Lots of whites used to see open paths upward for themselves or their kids if they obeyed the rules, etc. but now? That VC firm won’t hire your kid, regardless of elite school graduation and good grades, because an Indian matti got their foot in the firm, and they only hire their cousins.

    Already, millennials, some who were not very bright, are less fond of capitalism, because they can’t climb the ladders of success and owe tens of thousands in non-dischargeable debt.

    How many elections will one party have to steal before the response of those young enough to be revolutionaries is not, ‘please let us in’ but ‘off with their heads. I do not think it will be explicitly racial, but it might be.

  29. @Achmed E. Newman
    The expression "Idle hands are the Devil's workshop" applies the most to black people, IMO, Maybe Hispanics would be 2nd, I dunno, but I can't imagine it applies to the Asian population. Perhaps more of the perpetrators of the murders or the Californian Asians were black people last year. You have noted that the "snitches get stitches" attitude makes it hard to determine the culprits in black murders, but the victim is not black ...

    How many White people are even left there, Steve? There's you, Ron Unz, Alden ...

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Alfa158, @fish

    “How many White people are even left there, Steve? There’s you, Ron Unz, Alden …”

    Also the airline pilots, air-traffic controllers, electricians, plumbers, and the USC water-polo team. Oh, I almost forgot myself (not actually “safe” – not from the affronts, frustrations, humiliations, and compromises of daily life – the SafeNow handle is autobiographical – I should change it).

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @SafeNow

    Also the airline pilots, air-traffic controllers, electricians, plumbers, and the USC water-polo team. Oh, I almost forgot myself (not actually “safe” – not from the affronts, frustrations, humiliations, and compromises of daily life – the SafeNow handle is autobiographical – I should change it).

    These idiots don't know how many White people commute 2-3 hours to keep Black cities running.

    There is a trend where the White/Asian/Arab family owns both a house in the burbs and a condo in the city. The working parent then lives in the city for 3-4 days to work.

    This what the real multicultural utopia looks like.

    Driving 3-4 hours to the city and sleeping away from your family in a condo because Democrats and Republicans can't face reality.

    @SafeNow hasn't figured out that TEEVEE is a complete lie and there actually isn't a problem of White people "holding back" skilled Blacks.

  30. @Rob McX
    I'm sure a lot of the black on black murders are cases where the victim was also a criminal. And at least some of the killers will be caught and taken out of circulation. So maybe the Racial Reckoning isn't all bad for blacks.

    Replies: @Pittsburgh Thatcherite, @MattW, @Bill Jones, @Dennis Dale, @Michelle

    They get to have their cake and eat it too–as they do generally. With white people and police out of the equation most blacks hate their more troublesome neighbors, and have no problem with them going away. Even the criminals and marginals don’t mind when a local heavy-handed bully is sent up or shot down, but that doesn’t stop them from marching and cashing in on the “tragedy” of the death of someone from whom the day before they hid, or some local ne’er-do-well they treated with contempt.

    So what incentive do black people have for coming around to reason? No more incentive than for voting Republican and escaping the “Democratic Plantation” and disdaining the condescension of “handouts”–ha!

    No more incentive than for getting their shit together generally. Black dysfunction translates directly into power in the current system. It’s an energy source. You don’t have to add water or plug it in. It’s a nuclear fuel rod of demagogic energy, radiating in perpetuity.

    Black people fail their way to dominance and privilege.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Dennis Dale

    You may not care about other people gettin’ there’s. But in normal places with normal people, we worry about harm coming to ourselves and our loved ones. Or simply the chance to one day live not in a hellhole.

    I realize some blacks also feel this way. But it’s a wonder that more of them don’t. It’s a trans-generational sort of spiritual malaise of not wishing to prosper. One not shared by groups more pathetic than blacks. Who at least wish not to wallow.

    Whence this desperation? It was not so prominent when Whitey was still firmly in control.

    Part of me wants to say they’re just like that. Look at Africa.

    However, they’re not. Look at pre-civil rights America. They can fail at least a little less spectacularly.

    It would be one thing if they were happy the way they are. Then I could stop worrying on their behalf and worry for the rest of us. But they’re not. Listening to them I can tell.

    Unless that’s “false consciousness” speaking.

    Replies: @Charon

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Dennis Dale

    Dennis, well stated and this is their culture. If blm really mattered blacks would be marching against the black thugs that make their birthday parties, BBQs and porch sitting shooting galleries.Reg Caesar posted two photos of inner city stores with security gates and steel shutters, glass block windows are big too. But there are no thieves driving in from the burbs to rob the inner city corner store. That is, unless they are black suburbanites. black mothers seem to wear the murder of their wayward child as a badge of honor. Maybe they need a black version of a "Gold Star Mother" flag. Stay safe.

  31. @Reg Cæsar
    Related: Black North Minneapolis* prevails in a lawsuit. Judge agrees that there are too few police officers in the city.


    Judge's Minneapolis police staffing ruling bolsters north Minneapolis residents


    This was the top above-the-fold story today. Section A. Top headline in Section B:

    Law enforcement groups sue Walz, Minnesota over new use-of-force standards


    Several wounded in overnight violence in Minneapolis
    A baby was grazed by a bullet, and a woman was in critical condition after a stabbing.


    South is where flailing fentanyl ODs are restrained. North is where babies are regularly "grazed" by stray bullets.

    *A directional directory for the city:

    North: black
    Northeast: ethnic-cum-hipster
    Southeast: student ghetto
    South: everything under the sun; affordable bungalows
    Southwest: white; unaffordable bungalows
    Lake of the Isles: like Southwest, but with water, and ever so much more so

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @AnotherDad, @reactionry, @Mike Tre

    Which is worse: ethnic-cum hipster or ethnic cum-hipster

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You need to Polish that joke.


    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/5mcAAOSwVUtbVPto/s-l1600.jpg

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Nicholas Stix

    , @OilcanFloyd
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Which is worse: ethnic-cum hipster or ethnic cum-hipster
     
    Ethnic cum-dumpster?

    Replies: @animalogic

  32. Everyone who lives near blacks is likely to get killed.

    After all, as you have noted, they don’t seem to be capable of aiming.

  33. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://imgur.com/a/cBTiksH

    As you can see in the above chart, adult misdemeanor arrests fell by -23.1% from 2019 to 2020. Between 2015 and 2019, adult misdemeanor arrests fell by a more modest -7.3%.

    From 2019 to 2020, the fall in adult misdemeanor arrests was most notable for burglaries (-45.5%), liquor law violations (-49.4%), and public drunkenness (-35%). There were falls in all categories, EXCEPT gambling (+23.5%), traffic violations (+4.7%), and vandalism (+3.1%).

    https://imgur.com/a/Ommj6fz

    For juvenile misdemeanor arrests, the fall was -46.5% from 2019 to 2020. Between 2015 and 2019, juvenile misdemeanor arrests fell by -46.8%. There were falls in all categories, EXCEPT traffic violations (+24.7%).

    https://imgur.com/a/EjkP63x

    Felony arrests fell -6.8% from 2019 to 2020. Homicide arrests increased significantly (+18.1%), as did arrests related to motor vehicle thefts (+6.8%), arson (+30.9%), and narcotics (+0.8%). All other categories saw falls.

    So there appears to have been a decline in the crime rate in California, with the decline most pronounced among juveniles. This decline in crime has evident for a number of years, but the Covid lockdowns may have produced an especially significant fall during 2020.

    However, the homicide rate seems to be a very notable exception to the above. Not only did homicide arrests increase by +18.1%, but the overall homicide rate went up by +31%. The discrepancy between the two figures is due to not all murderers being caught by the cops.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @res

    View post on imgur.com

    The above chart is based on national juvenile arrest statistics. The 2020 numbers haven’t been released yet, but we have the figures up through 2019.

    The juvenile arrest rate has fallen by around 75% from the mid 90s through 2019. So a juvenile growing up in the mid 90s was 4 times MORE likely to be arrested than a 2019 juvenile. Which is an amazing difference.

    Even if you compare 2006 to 2019, a 2019 juvenile was roughly 1/3rd as likely to be arrested. What a change.

    View post on imgur.com

    The juvenile liquor arrest rate in 2019 was less than 1/5th of the 2006 rate. Presumably, that means far fewer boozy house parties. See above chart.

    View post on imgur.com

    The juvenile public drunkenness arrest rate in 2019 was less than 1/5th of the 2006 rate. The 2019 rate was roughly 1/14th of the 1980 rate. So drinking&getting high with your friends in public was 14 times more common in 1980 than 2019.

    View post on imgur.com

    The juvenile curfew&loitering arrest rate in 2019 was 1/10th of the 2006 rate. This is a good proxy for how much young people are hanging out in public places and staying out late. Young people must be staying home a lot.

    View post on imgur.com

    For juvenile vagrancy, the arrest rate in 2019 was 1/14th of the 2006 rate. Youth vagrancy arrests are associated with youths who’ve run away from home and don’t really have a permanent address. Basically, street kids. The type of youths who got groomed by the Rotherham Pakis, or Epstein&Maxwell in Florida.

    Young people seem to be disappearing from public places, while also partying WAY less.

    This is a generation who don’t socialize much with their friends. Given that young people often get arrested while misbehaving with their friends, the lack of socialization is likely translating into fewer arrests.

    I’m not sure why this is happening, but I’d look at the following factors.

    -Helicopter parenting. Lots of Gen X parents partied too hard and socialized too much, often paying the price. So they’re paranoid with regard to their own kids, who are now teens. They control their kids because they don’t want them repeating their mistakes.
    -Strict policing keeping kids in line, deterring them from doing anything too “fun.”
    -The increasing homework&extracirricular load, which leaves little time for friends.
    -The decreasing frequency of young people who work or hold odd jobs (like mowing the neighbor’s lawn). So they don’t have money to go out with their friends.
    -Smartphones and other electronic devices keeping young people occupied at home, while also providing them with an opportunity to socialize without being physically present in the same space.

    It’s interesting. When you think about what young people were like back in the 80s and 90s, it’s amazing how much they’ve changed.

    • Thanks: ic1000, Desiderius
    • Replies: @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    - Nonwhite kids are better behaved than white kids
    - Less strict policing

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @JohnnyWalker123

    My comment to you was accidentally addressed to @Reg Caesar.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Alden
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Its video games internet laptops etc. lots of kids stay in their room and play video games with friends who are also in their rooms instead of going to a friends house to play video games. Kids seem to love bed school as they call it. The only ones who want to go back to regular are the ones whose sports team coaches told them they’re good enough for college scholarships.

    The mask, distancing, erratic schedules no talking in the cafeteria no clubs no hanging out with friends school rules make going to school even more unpopular. Many kids want to stay at home for bed school till they graduate.

    Kids would almost rather stay in the expensive ski lodge hotel and play video games than use the expensive ski lift tickets their parents bought.

    Only sex brings them out. But with video game internet isolation it’s not that easy to meet anyone nearby. So they chat with the boy and girl friend 200 miles away.

  34. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar

    Which is worse: ethnic-cum hipster or ethnic cum-hipster

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @OilcanFloyd

    You need to Polish that joke.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar


    Polish Palace
     
    Alas, a YouTube search failed to find a 1990 20/20 John Stossel segment in which he profiles a man with Tourette's syndrome: a middle-aged Jew in Newton, MA, who at one point walks into a deli and involuntarily declares: “I’m the Polish Prince of Penis!”
    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Reg Cæsar

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/of-californias-513-incremental-murder-victims-in-2020-485-were-nonwhite/#comment-4759163

    You’re reading the arrest rates, as if they were a mirror of misbehavior.

    Beginning in January, 1994, Mayor Rudy Giuliani had Police Commissioner William Bratton go much more aggressively against “quality-of-life” offenses (public panhandling, drinking, and urination), i.e., broken windows policing, aka order-maintenance policing, subway fare-beating, and started stop-and-frisk tactics, in order to get illegal guns off the street. Something else that he did was just as radical: He made it clear that he backed the police.

    You can hire all the additional cops in the world, and it won’t help a bit, if you don’t support them. Otherwise, the boom will just enrich donut shops.

    Note that pre-Giuliani, we had tons of cops and a pervasive problem with obesity among them.

    However, if you rely on Heather Mac Donald and other Republican writers, you won’t know that leftwing judges, and even DAs had great success in sabotaging broken windows policing, by throwing out most or all of the arrests from their respective jurisdictions.

    The environment was so polluted with broken windows propaganda that even I forgot about it, and I had written the first national exposé on the sabotage in 1996 (“Crime Stories”). Years later, I re-read it.

    https://www.unz.com/print/Chronicles-1996aug-00039/

  35. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar

    Which is worse: ethnic-cum hipster or ethnic cum-hipster

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @OilcanFloyd

    Which is worse: ethnic-cum hipster or ethnic cum-hipster

    Ethnic cum-dumpster?

    • Replies: @animalogic
    @OilcanFloyd

    What's worse?
    ANY hipster of any shape or form.

  36. @Reg Cæsar
    Related: Black North Minneapolis* prevails in a lawsuit. Judge agrees that there are too few police officers in the city.


    Judge's Minneapolis police staffing ruling bolsters north Minneapolis residents


    This was the top above-the-fold story today. Section A. Top headline in Section B:

    Law enforcement groups sue Walz, Minnesota over new use-of-force standards


    Several wounded in overnight violence in Minneapolis
    A baby was grazed by a bullet, and a woman was in critical condition after a stabbing.


    South is where flailing fentanyl ODs are restrained. North is where babies are regularly "grazed" by stray bullets.

    *A directional directory for the city:

    North: black
    Northeast: ethnic-cum-hipster
    Southeast: student ghetto
    South: everything under the sun; affordable bungalows
    Southwest: white; unaffordable bungalows
    Lake of the Isles: like Southwest, but with water, and ever so much more so

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @AnotherDad, @reactionry, @Mike Tre

    When I visit Minneapolis (rarely) it’s usually to hit up the “culture,” meaning higher culture, meaning museum, concert hall, theater.

    Which often means going across thoroughfares like Lake Street (imagine a street in Minnesota named Lake), which runs East-West from civilization to civilization. First you get your Popeyes chickens and pawn shops and all manner of stores with bars on their windows.

    That’s blank territory. I don’t stop there.

    Then you arrive at mixed hipster-immigrant territory. There you find some theater and bars. Lots and lots of bars. Also sex shops and rainbows and signs saying stuff like “all are welcome here.” Presumably to lure in fodder for chickenhawks.

    This is also where you’d find prostitution, if it were in the open. But it doesn’t have to be in our modern age of computer phones. Plus, I imagine lots of it takes place outside the cities in hotels around the airport.

    Finally, you arrive at places where not everything looks like shit. This is where rich people might live.

  37. @Achmed E. Newman
    The expression "Idle hands are the Devil's workshop" applies the most to black people, IMO, Maybe Hispanics would be 2nd, I dunno, but I can't imagine it applies to the Asian population. Perhaps more of the perpetrators of the murders or the Californian Asians were black people last year. You have noted that the "snitches get stitches" attitude makes it hard to determine the culprits in black murders, but the victim is not black ...

    How many White people are even left there, Steve? There's you, Ron Unz, Alden ...

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Alfa158, @fish

    About 38% overall. School age k-12 children in public schools are now down to 18%. Many White kids are in private schools so their overall percentage may be higher than that 18%, but on the other hand at the younger end of the school kids range, 18% White is probably optimistic. There is a public high school a mile east of my Whitopia. If you watch the 3000 kids leaving at the end of the day you will see a handful of kids who are clearly White.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  38. @Dennis Dale
    @Rob McX

    They get to have their cake and eat it too--as they do generally. With white people and police out of the equation most blacks hate their more troublesome neighbors, and have no problem with them going away. Even the criminals and marginals don't mind when a local heavy-handed bully is sent up or shot down, but that doesn't stop them from marching and cashing in on the "tragedy" of the death of someone from whom the day before they hid, or some local ne'er-do-well they treated with contempt.

    So what incentive do black people have for coming around to reason? No more incentive than for voting Republican and escaping the "Democratic Plantation" and disdaining the condescension of "handouts"--ha!

    No more incentive than for getting their shit together generally. Black dysfunction translates directly into power in the current system. It's an energy source. You don't have to add water or plug it in. It's a nuclear fuel rod of demagogic energy, radiating in perpetuity.

    Black people fail their way to dominance and privilege.

    Replies: @guest, @Buffalo Joe

    You may not care about other people gettin’ there’s. But in normal places with normal people, we worry about harm coming to ourselves and our loved ones. Or simply the chance to one day live not in a hellhole.

    I realize some blacks also feel this way. But it’s a wonder that more of them don’t. It’s a trans-generational sort of spiritual malaise of not wishing to prosper. One not shared by groups more pathetic than blacks. Who at least wish not to wallow.

    Whence this desperation? It was not so prominent when Whitey was still firmly in control.

    Part of me wants to say they’re just like that. Look at Africa.

    However, they’re not. Look at pre-civil rights America. They can fail at least a little less spectacularly.

    It would be one thing if they were happy the way they are. Then I could stop worrying on their behalf and worry for the rest of us. But they’re not. Listening to them I can tell.

    Unless that’s “false consciousness” speaking.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @guest

    It's called the culture of dependency and it's perpetrated by the Democrat Ruling Class and it's an addictive drug for those whom it afflicts. It's not that they don't wish to prosper, it's that they want prosperity given to them.

    The Ruling Class teaches them that they deserve this and of course all white people had everything given to them anyway.

    Except for the Jews of course: they work harder and smarter than everyone else so they earned their wealth. We have people right here who will sell you that particular bill of goods.

  39. Kevlar vests mandatory for civilians. Those who cannot show proof of vest wearership must pay a penalty on their 1040.

    Make vest companies compete on the selling price for body armor.

    If you like your existing vest, you can keep it.

    The Affordable Armor Act.

  40. O/T: Hey, what happened to Audacious Epigone’s blog? Anyone here know?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Achmed E. Newman

    He quit.

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/an-age-when-vibrators-are-sold-on-the-high-street/


    ***Note to readers and commenters*** The blog is now archived and inactive.
     

    After many years through various iterations and authorship, it has run its course. When the comment window closes on this post, it will move into the archives. See you around the interwebs, friends.
     
    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Achmed E. Newman

    He has packed up and finished blogging, without a new Dread Pirate to take over. He suggests following Zach Goldberg on Substack, who is just getting started there. There is some talk of finding some way to continue the actual AE ouevre, as there is an open thread, but it might be hard.

    Perhaps a collective blog and site like UR for various commenters would work? I might build and host it for fun!

    , @Adam Smith
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Hey Achmed,

    Seems like Mr. Epigone is retiring.

    If you read the last paragraph of this post and the comments below you will learn more, but the short story is...

    "This COTW roundup will be the blog’s concluding act. After many years through various iterations and authorship, it has run its course. When the comment window closes on this post, it will move into the archives. See you around the interwebs, friends."

    When asked why he's retiring Mr. Epigone responded...

    "A confluence of factors, primarily that with over 3000 posts the blog has covered what it can cover and resource limitations including time most of all. "

    Replies: @Anon

    , @anon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You snoozed, you missed the nooze.

    A link can still be found using the search tool:
    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/

    Note the message in this thread.
    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/an-age-when-vibrators-are-sold-on-the-high-street/

    You may still be able to poast here
    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/ae-open-thread/

    Hope this helps.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Peter Johnson
    @Achmed E. Newman

    He announced his blog's retirement in his last blog entry. He will be missed by many.

    , @Mike Tre
    @Achmed E. Newman

    He eloped with Twinkie.

  41. TGGP says: • Website

    I believe you already reported that Asians are the exception to the rule that most crime victims were victimized by a member of their own race. It’s possible that they are more likely to live in urban areas where a lot of crime is taking place, whereas white Californians are more likely to live in rural areas.

  42. @Achmed E. Newman
    O/T: Hey, what happened to Audacious Epigone's blog? Anyone here know?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Triteleia Laxa, @Adam Smith, @anon, @Peter Johnson, @Mike Tre

    He quit.

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/an-age-when-vibrators-are-sold-on-the-high-street/

    ***Note to readers and commenters*** The blog is now archived and inactive.

    After many years through various iterations and authorship, it has run its course. When the comment window closes on this post, it will move into the archives. See you around the interwebs, friends.

  43. @Achmed E. Newman
    O/T: Hey, what happened to Audacious Epigone's blog? Anyone here know?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Triteleia Laxa, @Adam Smith, @anon, @Peter Johnson, @Mike Tre

    He has packed up and finished blogging, without a new Dread Pirate to take over. He suggests following Zach Goldberg on Substack, who is just getting started there. There is some talk of finding some way to continue the actual AE ouevre, as there is an open thread, but it might be hard.

    Perhaps a collective blog and site like UR for various commenters would work? I might build and host it for fun!

  44. @Dennis Dale
    @Rob McX

    They get to have their cake and eat it too--as they do generally. With white people and police out of the equation most blacks hate their more troublesome neighbors, and have no problem with them going away. Even the criminals and marginals don't mind when a local heavy-handed bully is sent up or shot down, but that doesn't stop them from marching and cashing in on the "tragedy" of the death of someone from whom the day before they hid, or some local ne'er-do-well they treated with contempt.

    So what incentive do black people have for coming around to reason? No more incentive than for voting Republican and escaping the "Democratic Plantation" and disdaining the condescension of "handouts"--ha!

    No more incentive than for getting their shit together generally. Black dysfunction translates directly into power in the current system. It's an energy source. You don't have to add water or plug it in. It's a nuclear fuel rod of demagogic energy, radiating in perpetuity.

    Black people fail their way to dominance and privilege.

    Replies: @guest, @Buffalo Joe

    Dennis, well stated and this is their culture. If blm really mattered blacks would be marching against the black thugs that make their birthday parties, BBQs and porch sitting shooting galleries.Reg Caesar posted two photos of inner city stores with security gates and steel shutters, glass block windows are big too. But there are no thieves driving in from the burbs to rob the inner city corner store. That is, unless they are black suburbanites. black mothers seem to wear the murder of their wayward child as a badge of honor. Maybe they need a black version of a “Gold Star Mother” flag. Stay safe.

  45. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You need to Polish that joke.


    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/5mcAAOSwVUtbVPto/s-l1600.jpg

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Nicholas Stix

    Polish Palace

    Alas, a YouTube search failed to find a 1990 20/20 John Stossel segment in which he profiles a man with Tourette’s syndrome: a middle-aged Jew in Newton, MA, who at one point walks into a deli and involuntarily declares: “I’m the Polish Prince of Penis!”

  46. @Achmed E. Newman
    O/T: Hey, what happened to Audacious Epigone's blog? Anyone here know?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Triteleia Laxa, @Adam Smith, @anon, @Peter Johnson, @Mike Tre

    Hey Achmed,

    Seems like Mr. Epigone is retiring.

    If you read the last paragraph of this post and the comments below you will learn more, but the short story is…

    “This COTW roundup will be the blog’s concluding act. After many years through various iterations and authorship, it has run its course. When the comment window closes on this post, it will move into the archives. See you around the interwebs, friends.”

    When asked why he’s retiring Mr. Epigone responded…

    “A confluence of factors, primarily that with over 3000 posts the blog has covered what it can cover and resource limitations including time most of all. ”

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Adam Smith

    He's been doxxed. Sad news... They always cave in and write these horrible "retiring for uncertain reasons" posts and the commie scum always doxx them anyway...

    God be with you, AE.

  47. All she needs is a cigarette and white leather shoes, Bun E. Carlos

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Trelane

    I shook hands with Bun E. Carlos in the parking lot of the Houston basketball arena in 1979. Nice guy to fans. He told us to watch out for Cheap Trick's "Live at Budokan" album.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar, @Bun

  48. anon[171] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    O/T: Hey, what happened to Audacious Epigone's blog? Anyone here know?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Triteleia Laxa, @Adam Smith, @anon, @Peter Johnson, @Mike Tre

    You snoozed, you missed the nooze.

    A link can still be found using the search tool:
    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/

    Note the message in this thread.
    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/an-age-when-vibrators-are-sold-on-the-high-street/

    You may still be able to poast here
    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/ae-open-thread/

    Hope this helps.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @anon

    Thanks to all for the replies. I didn't completely snooze, as I noticed that one weirdly-named post was on unz as his latest for a long time. (I thought he might be on vacation.)

    I did catch a Ron Unz comment about transferring that open thread but didn't understand what that was about.

    The commenters, the ones from iSteve excepted, were not completely of my style - often naive about politics, if you ask me, and it was like a clique somewhat. Secondly, the posts with the bar graphs were interesting, but I have wasted 45 minutes responding to a poll recently (see "I've Been Polled"), with that experience and observation making me see how worthless most polls are. Therefore, there can be good discussion, but starting with a bogus premise.

    However, I like Audacious Epigone's political views. He did great with his financial posts, as he indeed know that what can't go on, won't go on, and he sees what's coming. Perhaps he should write a prepper column.

    .

    PS: Oh, it's minor, but I will always remember with fondness, Mr. A.E.'s non-PC style of using appropriate colors for his bar graphs, especially involving race. It saves the reader time and confusion. Kudos for that, A.E.!

  49. This is post-progressivism. This is the way.

  50. Asians are still less likely to be murdered than Whites in California.

    16% of murder victims in CA were white in 2020 and whites are about 30% of the California population under the age of 45. While 6% of the murder victims were Asian and Asians are 18% of the California population under the age of 45. If Asians were murdered as often as Whites the Asian murder rate would be 50% higher in California.

    In 2019 only 10% of murder victims were over the age of 50. The increased number of murders in 2020 was due to an increase in young people being murdered. Asians in America have a median age of 31 while whites have a median age of 42 so we should be seeing a bigger increase in Asian murders compared to White murders based on the age demographics of homicide victims.

    • Replies: @Gjkjjbvvgb
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    We need to increase the murder rate for Asians, in the interest of equity.

  51. Hey Steve, the TEEFS think the ratio of dead whites is too low in L.A.

    https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshh1J1w81oMTx7J5mkb

  52. @Rob McX
    I'm sure a lot of the black on black murders are cases where the victim was also a criminal. And at least some of the killers will be caught and taken out of circulation. So maybe the Racial Reckoning isn't all bad for blacks.

    Replies: @Pittsburgh Thatcherite, @MattW, @Bill Jones, @Dennis Dale, @Michelle

    Exactly right! Often, the “Victim” in an inner city murder, turns out to have been, formerly, the most dangerous member of the discordant parties. The least dangerous shot the most dangerous, because he was scared!

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Michelle

    As my district attorney friend observed; black victims are as bad as their killers.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Michelle

  53. OT, but very iSteve-y:
    https://www.masslive.com/police-fire/2021/07/what-we-know-about-rise-of-the-moors-group-engaged-with-massachusetts-state-police-in-interstate-95-shut-down.html

    “Moorish sovereigns espouse an interpretation of sovereign doctrine that African Americans constitute an elite class within American society with special rights and privileges that convey on them a sovereign immunity placing them beyond federal and state authority.”

    And why wouldn’t they think that?

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @anon
    @Veteran Aryan

    One of the aspects of being a sovereign class is - "knows enough to not run out of fuel on the turnpike".

    Fail.

  54. @Achmed E. Newman
    O/T: Hey, what happened to Audacious Epigone's blog? Anyone here know?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Triteleia Laxa, @Adam Smith, @anon, @Peter Johnson, @Mike Tre

    He announced his blog’s retirement in his last blog entry. He will be missed by many.

  55. It’s almost as if Sailer’s Law of Mass Shootings applies to knife crime: black dude stands father-of-12 Massachusetts Chabad rabbi 8 times … but he’s still alive and kicking. Did the guy hold the knife Hong Kong style?

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/07/speaking-of-hate.php

  56. @Trelane
    All she needs is a cigarette and white leather shoes, Bun E. Carlos

    https://youtu.be/WeE5KYaFfnU

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I shook hands with Bun E. Carlos in the parking lot of the Houston basketball arena in 1979. Nice guy to fans. He told us to watch out for Cheap Trick’s “Live at Budokan” album.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer

    On trips to Rockford, I would buy salad for lunch at the 320 Store. It was immediately recognizable when it showed up on Holland Zander's first record cover.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer

    Here's a teenage Holland Zander in a duet with dad Robin. Two decades later, they're still doing it live.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6h3llmGChsM&t=2m00s

    , @Bun
    @Steve Sailer

    Bun's been excommunicated from touring. I'm fascinated with the corporate/legal side of bands, so I did a deep dove on Cheap Trick several years ago. I can't remember what I came up with, other than it seemed like they were trying to get Bun to quit the band and sell his share back to the band entity. There was a lawsuit, and also nepotism.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  57. @Veteran Aryan
    OT, but very iSteve-y:
    https://www.masslive.com/police-fire/2021/07/what-we-know-about-rise-of-the-moors-group-engaged-with-massachusetts-state-police-in-interstate-95-shut-down.html

    “Moorish sovereigns espouse an interpretation of sovereign doctrine that African Americans constitute an elite class within American society with special rights and privileges that convey on them a sovereign immunity placing them beyond federal and state authority.”
     
    And why wouldn't they think that?

    Replies: @anon

    One of the aspects of being a sovereign class is – “knows enough to not run out of fuel on the turnpike”.

    Fail.

  58. @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://imgur.com/a/oeu4ADe

    The above chart is based on national juvenile arrest statistics. The 2020 numbers haven't been released yet, but we have the figures up through 2019.

    The juvenile arrest rate has fallen by around 75% from the mid 90s through 2019. So a juvenile growing up in the mid 90s was 4 times MORE likely to be arrested than a 2019 juvenile. Which is an amazing difference.

    Even if you compare 2006 to 2019, a 2019 juvenile was roughly 1/3rd as likely to be arrested. What a change.

    https://imgur.com/a/izX9E11

    The juvenile liquor arrest rate in 2019 was less than 1/5th of the 2006 rate. Presumably, that means far fewer boozy house parties. See above chart.

    https://imgur.com/a/b9bEARX

    The juvenile public drunkenness arrest rate in 2019 was less than 1/5th of the 2006 rate. The 2019 rate was roughly 1/14th of the 1980 rate. So drinking&getting high with your friends in public was 14 times more common in 1980 than 2019.

    https://imgur.com/a/9AXU1xe

    The juvenile curfew&loitering arrest rate in 2019 was 1/10th of the 2006 rate. This is a good proxy for how much young people are hanging out in public places and staying out late. Young people must be staying home a lot.

    https://imgur.com/a/yxGkhaz

    For juvenile vagrancy, the arrest rate in 2019 was 1/14th of the 2006 rate. Youth vagrancy arrests are associated with youths who've run away from home and don't really have a permanent address. Basically, street kids. The type of youths who got groomed by the Rotherham Pakis, or Epstein&Maxwell in Florida.

    Young people seem to be disappearing from public places, while also partying WAY less.

    This is a generation who don't socialize much with their friends. Given that young people often get arrested while misbehaving with their friends, the lack of socialization is likely translating into fewer arrests.

    I'm not sure why this is happening, but I'd look at the following factors.

    -Helicopter parenting. Lots of Gen X parents partied too hard and socialized too much, often paying the price. So they're paranoid with regard to their own kids, who are now teens. They control their kids because they don't want them repeating their mistakes.
    -Strict policing keeping kids in line, deterring them from doing anything too "fun."
    -The increasing homework&extracirricular load, which leaves little time for friends.
    -The decreasing frequency of young people who work or hold odd jobs (like mowing the neighbor's lawn). So they don't have money to go out with their friends.
    -Smartphones and other electronic devices keeping young people occupied at home, while also providing them with an opportunity to socialize without being physically present in the same space.

    It's interesting. When you think about what young people were like back in the 80s and 90s, it's amazing how much they've changed.

    Replies: @Anon, @Nicholas Stix, @Alden

    – Nonwhite kids are better behaved than white kids
    – Less strict policing

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anon

    Nope. Non-White youths have an arrest rate nearly twice that of Whites. Whites and Non-Whites have seen similar declines in their respective arrest rates.

    Starting in the 90s, the govt began to put more cops on the street and pushing them to crack down on youth delinquency. That's why there was a surge in the youth arrest rate during the mid/late 90s. Policing is much harsher these days than in the lax 60s-80s era.

  59. @Adam Smith
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Hey Achmed,

    Seems like Mr. Epigone is retiring.

    If you read the last paragraph of this post and the comments below you will learn more, but the short story is...

    "This COTW roundup will be the blog’s concluding act. After many years through various iterations and authorship, it has run its course. When the comment window closes on this post, it will move into the archives. See you around the interwebs, friends."

    When asked why he's retiring Mr. Epigone responded...

    "A confluence of factors, primarily that with over 3000 posts the blog has covered what it can cover and resource limitations including time most of all. "

    Replies: @Anon

    He’s been doxxed. Sad news… They always cave in and write these horrible “retiring for uncertain reasons” posts and the commie scum always doxx them anyway…

    God be with you, AE.

    • Thanks: Adam Smith
  60. @Michelle
    @Rob McX

    Exactly right! Often, the "Victim" in an inner city murder, turns out to have been, formerly, the most dangerous member of the discordant parties. The least dangerous shot the most dangerous, because he was scared!

    Replies: @Alden

    As my district attorney friend observed; black victims are as bad as their killers.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Alden

    After Jeffery Dahmer's arrest, a female crime reporter from one of the Milwaukee newspapers--an old school journalism veteran--the kind of "broad" who could match the men shot for shot at the bar and then bang out a damned good story at the typewriter in no time flat with a cigarette hanging out of her mouth, came out with a book about the murders.

    One of the interesting features, for which she got a lot of criticism, was an appendix at the end in which she listed all of Dahmer's victims-along with each of their own police records, which, in most of the cases, were considerable.

    Replies: @Michelle

    , @Michelle
    @Alden

    I had a fan of a blog I used to have, who was an assistant DA in charge of juvenile crime, in a major southern city. He pointed out once, that he had very few, "Innocent victims", among his cases.

  61. @Steve Sailer
    @Trelane

    I shook hands with Bun E. Carlos in the parking lot of the Houston basketball arena in 1979. Nice guy to fans. He told us to watch out for Cheap Trick's "Live at Budokan" album.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar, @Bun

    On trips to Rockford, I would buy salad for lunch at the 320 Store. It was immediately recognizable when it showed up on Holland Zander’s first record cover.

  62. @Steve Sailer
    @Trelane

    I shook hands with Bun E. Carlos in the parking lot of the Houston basketball arena in 1979. Nice guy to fans. He told us to watch out for Cheap Trick's "Live at Budokan" album.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar, @Bun

    Here’s a teenage Holland Zander in a duet with dad Robin. Two decades later, they’re still doing it live.

    • Thanks: Desiderius, Trelane
  63. Bun says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Trelane

    I shook hands with Bun E. Carlos in the parking lot of the Houston basketball arena in 1979. Nice guy to fans. He told us to watch out for Cheap Trick's "Live at Budokan" album.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar, @Bun

    Bun’s been excommunicated from touring. I’m fascinated with the corporate/legal side of bands, so I did a deep dove on Cheap Trick several years ago. I can’t remember what I came up with, other than it seemed like they were trying to get Bun to quit the band and sell his share back to the band entity. There was a lawsuit, and also nepotism.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Bun

    A big part of the Cheap Trick shtick was playing up the distinctive images of the four members, so good for Bun.

    There used to be a radio talk show in L.A. where an entertainment lawyer gave advice on intellectual property, usually to amateur musicians who'd worked out songs in rehearsal and now they were going pro and wondering about who owned what. It all sounded like a legal nightmare, although I suppose there is enough upside that they usually settle out of court if they do have a hit.

    A commenter here once explained that when bands break up and refuse lucrative offers to reunite for tours it's usually because they are at each other's throats over who gets how much. He said that The Police finally worked out a deal to tour again, agreeing that Sting would get 60%, while Stewart Copeland and Andy Summers would get 20% each. If you are as big as The Police, I suppose 20% is enough to live a life of luxury.

    The Ramones were small enough that they toured for 20 years straight, even though Johnnie stole Joey's girlfriend (and married her and they had 3 kids) and therefore they didn't speak for many years on tour.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anon, @Reg Cæsar

  64. @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    - Nonwhite kids are better behaved than white kids
    - Less strict policing

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Nope. Non-White youths have an arrest rate nearly twice that of Whites. Whites and Non-Whites have seen similar declines in their respective arrest rates.

    Starting in the 90s, the govt began to put more cops on the street and pushing them to crack down on youth delinquency. That’s why there was a surge in the youth arrest rate during the mid/late 90s. Policing is much harsher these days than in the lax 60s-80s era.

  65. @Reg Cæsar
    Related: Black North Minneapolis* prevails in a lawsuit. Judge agrees that there are too few police officers in the city.


    Judge's Minneapolis police staffing ruling bolsters north Minneapolis residents


    This was the top above-the-fold story today. Section A. Top headline in Section B:

    Law enforcement groups sue Walz, Minnesota over new use-of-force standards


    Several wounded in overnight violence in Minneapolis
    A baby was grazed by a bullet, and a woman was in critical condition after a stabbing.


    South is where flailing fentanyl ODs are restrained. North is where babies are regularly "grazed" by stray bullets.

    *A directional directory for the city:

    North: black
    Northeast: ethnic-cum-hipster
    Southeast: student ghetto
    South: everything under the sun; affordable bungalows
    Southwest: white; unaffordable bungalows
    Lake of the Isles: like Southwest, but with water, and ever so much more so

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @AnotherDad, @reactionry, @Mike Tre

    The Minneapolis situation is sad. It used to be one of the whitest, most generically American (ok, Germanic but still generic) and pleasant American cities.

    Why are blacks even there? It’s an absolutely terrible place climatically for blacks. And then replacing the ones who–wisely–leave for Atlanta with FOB Somalis? C’mon.

    It would be nice if we could have someplace without “diversity”.

    How about for every racial/ethnic group–blacks, whites, Mexicans, Jews, Muslims, Chinese, Indians, Italians, Irish, Scots-Irish, etc. etc.–we have at least one city that is only for that group and one city where that group is not allowed. Then people would have a choice. Oh, i really don’t want to live around those folks … ahhh. Or i just want to live with my own people. Or i love the rainbow.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @AnotherDad

    A piece, how big I don't know, of the reason Somali's are in Minneapolis is the immigration sponsor scam. The government pays "foundations" serious money to ship the useless in. The Papists rake in $100 million a year, don't know what the Lutheran take is. Their Foundation (LIRS)" Lutheran Immigration refugee service" deliberately left out the obvious "and" because that would give them a more accurate acronym.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    Why are blacks even there?
     
    For a long time, the only blacks that were were the type that got along with whites. That kept the racial temperature down.

    It also helped that the minority segment of the population was split so many ways-- native blacks, Africans, Asians, American Indians, and some Latins. Unlike in Cincinnati, which had a similar white/non-white ratio but the latter was overwhelmingly black, they couldn't, or wouldn't, gang up on us. Their diversity was our strength.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Thea
    @AnotherDad

    There appears to be something missing to that old quintessential American Midwest nice culture that doesn’t hold its appeal. Because forget about Jews, blacks and immigrants, the real problem and question is how did so many young white Americans turn their back on their heritage and culture.

    Antifa and BLM offer a sense of action, belonging and meaning. The death of Christianity and increase in wealth created a void of purpose that traditionalists and the alt-right haven’t really been able to fill.

  66. @Bun
    @Steve Sailer

    Bun's been excommunicated from touring. I'm fascinated with the corporate/legal side of bands, so I did a deep dove on Cheap Trick several years ago. I can't remember what I came up with, other than it seemed like they were trying to get Bun to quit the band and sell his share back to the band entity. There was a lawsuit, and also nepotism.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    A big part of the Cheap Trick shtick was playing up the distinctive images of the four members, so good for Bun.

    There used to be a radio talk show in L.A. where an entertainment lawyer gave advice on intellectual property, usually to amateur musicians who’d worked out songs in rehearsal and now they were going pro and wondering about who owned what. It all sounded like a legal nightmare, although I suppose there is enough upside that they usually settle out of court if they do have a hit.

    A commenter here once explained that when bands break up and refuse lucrative offers to reunite for tours it’s usually because they are at each other’s throats over who gets how much. He said that The Police finally worked out a deal to tour again, agreeing that Sting would get 60%, while Stewart Copeland and Andy Summers would get 20% each. If you are as big as The Police, I suppose 20% is enough to live a life of luxury.

    The Ramones were small enough that they toured for 20 years straight, even though Johnnie stole Joey’s girlfriend (and married her and they had 3 kids) and therefore they didn’t speak for many years on tour.

    • Thanks: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    The lead singer of the Turtles had a business for a while after the band dissolved where he would advise bands on contracts and legal stuff ... not in the capacity of an attorney, so it was probably cheap. (The Turtles were my L.A. High school's 1960s band ... every L.A. High school had one.)

    The big band divide is songwriting. Songwriters don't have to tour to pay the rent; non-songwriters do. This was behind all the band arguments about whether the other band members got to put one (lame) song on the albums, since albums were the unit of sale, more than singles, and a song on a hit album gave you an income. Rock critic Richard Meltzer did some lyrics for the Blue Oyster Cult and lived off of that for quite a while.

    , @Anon
    @Steve Sailer


    He said that The Police finally worked out a deal to tour again, agreeing that Sting would get 60%, while Stewart Copeland and Andy Summers would get 20% each. If you are as big as The Police, I suppose 20% is enough to live a life of luxury.
     
    The Beach Boys corporation licenses Mike Love to tour as the band, and he hires a group and schedules the tours. The group is generally pretty legit, including sometimes Al Jardine, Bruce Johnston, David Marks, and other with some past connection with the band.

    Brian Wilson sometimes is quoted as whining about this setup, and I wondered why he can't nix it. So I looked into it.

    The Beach Boys, as with most bands, lumbered along with no legal form for a few years, then they in corporate with the then current membership, which was the three Wilsons, Love, Jardine, and Bruce Johnston, each holding a sixth share (Marks stupidly had quit early). Johnston was eased out and his share was sold back to the corporation. Dennis drowned in Marina del Rey and his share was dissolved in exchange for forgiveness of debts. Carl died and his share went to his estate.

    So the Beach Boys now are Brian, Mike, the estate of Carl Wilson, and Al Jardine. Mike wants to tour, the estate of Carl Wilson wants money, and Jardine hates Mike but wants money and Brian is never going to tour enough to make any. So in the end it's three to one for letting Mike handle the touring.

    Mike is a workhorse, and he knows how to set up a tour and hire a band. He knows the market for the band and knows how often they can visit each city without wearing out their welcome. He's not too proud to do small fairs and the like. So he is good at maximizing income. There are only so many fanatics who will show up to hear Brian at the piano croaking out obscure songs from Pet Sounds and Smile accompanied by a string quartet. That gets the headlines, but not the money.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    A big part of the Cheap Trick shtick was playing up the distinctive images of the four members, so good for Bun.
     
    It always appeared that they and AC/DC swiped this idea from the Mael brothers. But then, it's been a comic format forever-- straight man and jester. Were I to be in a stand-up act, I'd be very much the straight man, but one who writes the wackiest lines to set up for my partner to deliver.

    Still waters run creep.
  67. @J.Ross
    OTish, Supposedly May 14 & 15, next year in Pasadena, there will be a concert, government permitting, with pretty much every surviving New Wave person other than Siouxie.
    https://cruelworldfest.com

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Dumbo, @Clyde

    The new wave pecking order is apparently:

    Morrissey
    Bauhaus
    Blondie
    Devo
    Echo and the Bunnymen
    Psychedelic Furs
    English Beat
    Public Image Ltd

    Depeche Mode used to play the Rose Bowl because the Asians of the San Gabriel Valley were crazy about them. But they aren’t at the show.

    I haven’t seen an old band since The Ramones in 1994. The oldest guys I’ve seen were Bob Dylan in 1986, Paul Simon in 1985, and, maybe, David Bowie in 1983 (who had a bunch of big hits that year like “Let’s Dance” and “Modern Love”). Are old people playing rock music depressing? A lot of rock stars become better musicians as the years pass, judging by PBS fundraiser-type shows, but rock is so much tied to youth that I’ve never been much inclined to go.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Steve Sailer


    rock is so much tied to youth that I’ve never been much inclined to go
     
    That makes sense if you self-consciously feel old, I guess. But for those ‘established’ acts, there will be plenty of people your age in attendance. Even general admission should be no sweat: Just put in some foam earplugs and hang back with a beer in your hand (and bring the wife if she’s so inclined).

    I haven’t seen an old band since The Ramones in 1994.
     
    Have you seen any new bands since then? For instance, that whole Cruel World lineup is pretty tight, including the newer bands—all solid acts on the contemporary synth/darkwave/post-punk spectrum. Maybe those genres (starting early-mid 80’s) came too late for peak “imprinting” on youngish Steve?

    https://aegwebprod.blob.core.windows.net/content/content_images/173/PmlLfjaf5IXfOhDb4z9VfN8aig7hulReL2jHFlxU.jpeg

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Desiderius, @SunBakedSuburb

    , @Morris Applebaum IV
    @Steve Sailer

    Pete Townshend wrote, "I hope I die before I get old." As far as creativity goes, that's pretty much the fate of every rock star. I find it depressing to see old people playing when they haven't written anything good in 40 years. I don't quite understand it. Paul McCartney wrote literally dozens of excellent songs in the 60s and 70s, some quite brilliant, and hasn't managed anything decent since the 80s (and I'm being generous about the 80s). The creativity of rock stars seems to mirror athletes (best in the late 20s, virtually nothing of value after 40), not traditional songwriters and composers.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Steve Sailer

    I agree with you on not caring to watch any of these people play in their old age*. There are other factors about big concerts now. Prices for tickets are a whopping 10 to 20 times what they were when rock was biggest. Then, I don't think anything more than 15,000 seats is a place I want to see a rock show in, but they all mostly come to these huge places like stadiums. "Oh, there he is on the big screen TV!" "Yeah, we could see that on the screen at home."

    Worst was back in '89 (I think), I finally had the money for good tickets to the Allman Brothers. They were not in their prime, and, of course, missing Dwayne Allman and Berry Oakley long before. That wasn't the problem. I wanted us to get down to the floor right in front, the way all those people with the good tickets used to, but now you weren't allowed. Then, though I'm not a smoker myself, there was a no-smoking rule, which seems ludicrous compared to what you'd have seen a few years earlier. (The whole basketball arena would smell like pot, but not the nasty skunk-week smell of nowadays.)


    .

    * The Dead would have been an obvious exception.

    , @JMcG
    @Steve Sailer

    If you get a chance, go see Mark Knopfler. Even better now that I’m an old f**k.

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    The Rolling Stones are still touring, Steve. So is U2. The question is whether anyone can talk Plant and Page to reunite for one more world tour with the remnants of Zeppelin. Could be the show of a lifetime if they do manage to pull it off.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @anon, @Desiderius

  68. @guest
    @Dennis Dale

    You may not care about other people gettin’ there’s. But in normal places with normal people, we worry about harm coming to ourselves and our loved ones. Or simply the chance to one day live not in a hellhole.

    I realize some blacks also feel this way. But it’s a wonder that more of them don’t. It’s a trans-generational sort of spiritual malaise of not wishing to prosper. One not shared by groups more pathetic than blacks. Who at least wish not to wallow.

    Whence this desperation? It was not so prominent when Whitey was still firmly in control.

    Part of me wants to say they’re just like that. Look at Africa.

    However, they’re not. Look at pre-civil rights America. They can fail at least a little less spectacularly.

    It would be one thing if they were happy the way they are. Then I could stop worrying on their behalf and worry for the rest of us. But they’re not. Listening to them I can tell.

    Unless that’s “false consciousness” speaking.

    Replies: @Charon

    It’s called the culture of dependency and it’s perpetrated by the Democrat Ruling Class and it’s an addictive drug for those whom it afflicts. It’s not that they don’t wish to prosper, it’s that they want prosperity given to them.

    The Ruling Class teaches them that they deserve this and of course all white people had everything given to them anyway.

    Except for the Jews of course: they work harder and smarter than everyone else so they earned their wealth. We have people right here who will sell you that particular bill of goods.

  69. @Reg Cæsar
    Related: Black North Minneapolis* prevails in a lawsuit. Judge agrees that there are too few police officers in the city.


    Judge's Minneapolis police staffing ruling bolsters north Minneapolis residents


    This was the top above-the-fold story today. Section A. Top headline in Section B:

    Law enforcement groups sue Walz, Minnesota over new use-of-force standards


    Several wounded in overnight violence in Minneapolis
    A baby was grazed by a bullet, and a woman was in critical condition after a stabbing.


    South is where flailing fentanyl ODs are restrained. North is where babies are regularly "grazed" by stray bullets.

    *A directional directory for the city:

    North: black
    Northeast: ethnic-cum-hipster
    Southeast: student ghetto
    South: everything under the sun; affordable bungalows
    Southwest: white; unaffordable bungalows
    Lake of the Isles: like Southwest, but with water, and ever so much more so

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @AnotherDad, @reactionry, @Mike Tre

    Re the “directional directory” for Minneapolis:

    According to Wiki “Marcy-Holmes is the first neighborhood of Minneapolis.” Its commercial district is called “Dinkytown.” One of the proposed etymologies is based upon the name of a building owner, Louis Grodnik. That surname means “a small (or dinky) town” in Russian. The transliteration appeared to my (generally ignorant in such matters) startled eyes to be similar to “Gorodki,” a game played in which a bat of sorts is thrown at cylindrical “skittles” or townlets in order to knock them out of a square representing a city.

    [MORE]

    The sport “was a favorite childhood pastime of the eponymous protagonist of the novel Pnin by Vladimir Nabokov” and near the end of VN’s short story, “Sounds” there is “some skittles flew up with a clatter.” (I posted something about “Sounds” awhile back. It strikes an ominous note when someone asks, “Where is Sarajevo?” after reading a newspaper.)
    “The Finnish variant is called kyykkä, or Finnish skittles.”

    Perhaps a thousand years from now a Chinaperson will put forth a false or folk etymology for the name of Dinkytown based on fragmentary records which mention the death in Dinkytown of someone who might be confused with a “saint” other than Floyd: Aries Trayvon Hubbard.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Dinkytown+Hubbard+Trayvon&ei=X2zhYLaCF_PptQatwLKQCg&oq=Dinkytown+Hubbard+Trayvon&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQghEKABOggIABDqAhCPAToFCAAQkQI6CwguELEDEMcBEKMCOgUIABCxAzoCCAA6CAguELEDEIMBOggILhDHARCjAjoLCC4QxwEQrwEQkQI6BAgAEEM6CAgAELEDEIMBOgQILhBDOgUILhCxAzoLCAAQsQMQgwEQyQM6BQgAEJIDOgcILhBDEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToHCAAQsQMQQzoICC4QsQMQkwI6CwguEMcBEK8BEJMCOgIILjoFCAAQyQM6BggAEBYQHjoCCCY6BwghEAoQoAE6BQghEKsCSgQIQRgAUJw5WOiEAWC6iwFoAXACeACAAZ8BiAG3E5IBBDE3LjmYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEKwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwj2rYn_-sjxAhXzdM0KHS2gDKIQ4dUDCA8&uact=5

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinkytown

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Gorodki+better+than+war&ei=OWvhYOirNZbdtAbRkayYDA&oq=Gorodki+better+than+war&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQghEKABOgcIABBHELADOg4IABCwAxCKAxC3AxDlAjoCCAA6BAgAEB46BggAEBYQHjoFCCEQqwJKBAhBGABQmL0BWKzZAWCl3QFoAXACeACAAY4BiAGcC5IBBDE2LjGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6yAEJwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwiorI_z-cjxAhWWLs0KHdEIC8MQ4dUDCA8&uact=5

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorodki

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @reactionry


    According to Wiki “Marcy-Holmes is the first neighborhood of Minneapolis.” Its commercial district is called “Dinkytown.”
     
    The main drag in Dinkytown is Fourth St SE. Dylan spent his time across the river on the hipper West Bank, but it's natural to wonder if "Positively Fourth Street" is as much about Dinkytown as Greenwich Village.

    "Funkytown" is a Minneapolis evergreen, written about a yearning to head for NYC by a frustrated local producer. But the title is so close to "Dinkytown" that the latter must have been an influence, if only subconsciously. I never got the pun "Lipps, Inc" until just now, reading this:


    Funkytown marks 40th anniversary

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  70. @J.Ross
    OTish, Supposedly May 14 & 15, next year in Pasadena, there will be a concert, government permitting, with pretty much every surviving New Wave person other than Siouxie.
    https://cruelworldfest.com

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Dumbo, @Clyde

    Interesting line up. I didn’t even know some of those people were still alive and playing music.

    I wonder who will be older, the audience or the musicians — although I guess at least Morrissey has many new young (Mexican) fans (perhaps because he looks and sounds a bit like a mariachi?).

    The others, not so sure if they are popular with a younger crowd. Devo? Will they play “Mongoloid”? That might not go so well with the current California demographics… 😀

    PIL? Does anyone even remember it? I thought Lydon was dead.

    And Blondie? How old is Debbie Harry now, she must be in her 70s.

    On the other hand, I’m getting older too. We all are.

  71. @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    The new wave pecking order is apparently:

    Morrissey
    Bauhaus
    Blondie
    Devo
    Echo and the Bunnymen
    Psychedelic Furs
    English Beat
    Public Image Ltd

    Depeche Mode used to play the Rose Bowl because the Asians of the San Gabriel Valley were crazy about them. But they aren't at the show.

    I haven't seen an old band since The Ramones in 1994. The oldest guys I've seen were Bob Dylan in 1986, Paul Simon in 1985, and, maybe, David Bowie in 1983 (who had a bunch of big hits that year like "Let's Dance" and "Modern Love"). Are old people playing rock music depressing? A lot of rock stars become better musicians as the years pass, judging by PBS fundraiser-type shows, but rock is so much tied to youth that I've never been much inclined to go.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Morris Applebaum IV, @Achmed E. Newman, @JMcG, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    rock is so much tied to youth that I’ve never been much inclined to go

    That makes sense if you self-consciously feel old, I guess. But for those ‘established’ acts, there will be plenty of people your age in attendance. Even general admission should be no sweat: Just put in some foam earplugs and hang back with a beer in your hand (and bring the wife if she’s so inclined).

    I haven’t seen an old band since The Ramones in 1994.

    Have you seen any new bands since then? For instance, that whole Cruel World lineup is pretty tight, including the newer bands—all solid acts on the contemporary synth/darkwave/post-punk spectrum. Maybe those genres (starting early-mid 80’s) came too late for peak “imprinting” on youngish Steve?

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Given how livid the goodwhites are about Morrissey's stance on third world migrants, I'm amazed he has top billing. I'm betting antifa will riot. Should be fun.

    PS: starting with Echo or Devo and ending with the Damned you have most of the quality right there. PPS: it's almost a year away. Some of these dinosaurs will be dead.

    , @Desiderius
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I’m younger than Steve and my favorite pop music is seventies R&B stuff that I remember from “imprinting” with some Hendrix, Maiden, and Sabbath I got into via Metallica later.

    Now I just listen to Mozart and Bach and what have you because that’s what my boys like. Seems like Steve got into New Wave because he liked it.

    Replies: @BLESTO-V, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    A lot of great bands on that bill. Although I'd prefer to see The Church in an indoor venue: those Aussies weave serious melodies and tones with their guitars and you lose a lot of the intricacies in an outdoor arena.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  72. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Steve Sailer


    rock is so much tied to youth that I’ve never been much inclined to go
     
    That makes sense if you self-consciously feel old, I guess. But for those ‘established’ acts, there will be plenty of people your age in attendance. Even general admission should be no sweat: Just put in some foam earplugs and hang back with a beer in your hand (and bring the wife if she’s so inclined).

    I haven’t seen an old band since The Ramones in 1994.
     
    Have you seen any new bands since then? For instance, that whole Cruel World lineup is pretty tight, including the newer bands—all solid acts on the contemporary synth/darkwave/post-punk spectrum. Maybe those genres (starting early-mid 80’s) came too late for peak “imprinting” on youngish Steve?

    https://aegwebprod.blob.core.windows.net/content/content_images/173/PmlLfjaf5IXfOhDb4z9VfN8aig7hulReL2jHFlxU.jpeg

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Desiderius, @SunBakedSuburb

    Given how livid the goodwhites are about Morrissey’s stance on third world migrants, I’m amazed he has top billing. I’m betting antifa will riot. Should be fun.

    PS: starting with Echo or Devo and ending with the Damned you have most of the quality right there. PPS: it’s almost a year away. Some of these dinosaurs will be dead.

  73. @Pop Warner

    For example, was there really an explosion in Asians shooting Asians in 2020?
     
    Was there really an explosion in blacks shooting or beating Asians in 2020? I know the media started talking about it last year because they could blame drumpf and wypipo, but I never saw any indication that violent crime against Asians increased disproportionately to the overall violent crime rise. It was the same random violence blacks have always meted out against Whites and Asians, and it's not new.

    And I won't even get into "hate crimes" because it's clear "hate crime" means "crime against this week's hip minority" and the random violence against Whites would never pass muster as hate crimes like it does with Asians.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    You need to put scare quotes around random.

  74. @Elli
    The FBI used to have EZASHR publicly available. Easy Access to Supplemental Homicide Reports.

    You could cross-tabulate by year, state, means, sex, race, age of victim and offender, offender-victim relationship, number of victims and offenders.

    EZASHR is gone. You can still find a few mentions and dead links.

    Replies: @David, @res

    • Thanks: Elli
  75. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You need to Polish that joke.


    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/5mcAAOSwVUtbVPto/s-l1600.jpg

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Nicholas Stix

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/of-californias-513-incremental-murder-victims-in-2020-485-were-nonwhite/#comment-4759163

    You’re reading the arrest rates, as if they were a mirror of misbehavior.

    Beginning in January, 1994, Mayor Rudy Giuliani had Police Commissioner William Bratton go much more aggressively against “quality-of-life” offenses (public panhandling, drinking, and urination), i.e., broken windows policing, aka order-maintenance policing, subway fare-beating, and started stop-and-frisk tactics, in order to get illegal guns off the street. Something else that he did was just as radical: He made it clear that he backed the police.

    You can hire all the additional cops in the world, and it won’t help a bit, if you don’t support them. Otherwise, the boom will just enrich donut shops.

    Note that pre-Giuliani, we had tons of cops and a pervasive problem with obesity among them.

    However, if you rely on Heather Mac Donald and other Republican writers, you won’t know that leftwing judges, and even DAs had great success in sabotaging broken windows policing, by throwing out most or all of the arrests from their respective jurisdictions.

    The environment was so polluted with broken windows propaganda that even I forgot about it, and I had written the first national exposé on the sabotage in 1996 (“Crime Stories”). Years later, I re-read it.

    https://www.unz.com/print/Chronicles-1996aug-00039/

    • Thanks: Desiderius, J.Ross
  76. @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://imgur.com/a/oeu4ADe

    The above chart is based on national juvenile arrest statistics. The 2020 numbers haven't been released yet, but we have the figures up through 2019.

    The juvenile arrest rate has fallen by around 75% from the mid 90s through 2019. So a juvenile growing up in the mid 90s was 4 times MORE likely to be arrested than a 2019 juvenile. Which is an amazing difference.

    Even if you compare 2006 to 2019, a 2019 juvenile was roughly 1/3rd as likely to be arrested. What a change.

    https://imgur.com/a/izX9E11

    The juvenile liquor arrest rate in 2019 was less than 1/5th of the 2006 rate. Presumably, that means far fewer boozy house parties. See above chart.

    https://imgur.com/a/b9bEARX

    The juvenile public drunkenness arrest rate in 2019 was less than 1/5th of the 2006 rate. The 2019 rate was roughly 1/14th of the 1980 rate. So drinking&getting high with your friends in public was 14 times more common in 1980 than 2019.

    https://imgur.com/a/9AXU1xe

    The juvenile curfew&loitering arrest rate in 2019 was 1/10th of the 2006 rate. This is a good proxy for how much young people are hanging out in public places and staying out late. Young people must be staying home a lot.

    https://imgur.com/a/yxGkhaz

    For juvenile vagrancy, the arrest rate in 2019 was 1/14th of the 2006 rate. Youth vagrancy arrests are associated with youths who've run away from home and don't really have a permanent address. Basically, street kids. The type of youths who got groomed by the Rotherham Pakis, or Epstein&Maxwell in Florida.

    Young people seem to be disappearing from public places, while also partying WAY less.

    This is a generation who don't socialize much with their friends. Given that young people often get arrested while misbehaving with their friends, the lack of socialization is likely translating into fewer arrests.

    I'm not sure why this is happening, but I'd look at the following factors.

    -Helicopter parenting. Lots of Gen X parents partied too hard and socialized too much, often paying the price. So they're paranoid with regard to their own kids, who are now teens. They control their kids because they don't want them repeating their mistakes.
    -Strict policing keeping kids in line, deterring them from doing anything too "fun."
    -The increasing homework&extracirricular load, which leaves little time for friends.
    -The decreasing frequency of young people who work or hold odd jobs (like mowing the neighbor's lawn). So they don't have money to go out with their friends.
    -Smartphones and other electronic devices keeping young people occupied at home, while also providing them with an opportunity to socialize without being physically present in the same space.

    It's interesting. When you think about what young people were like back in the 80s and 90s, it's amazing how much they've changed.

    Replies: @Anon, @Nicholas Stix, @Alden

    My comment to you was accidentally addressed to @Reg Caesar.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Nicholas Stix

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/of-californias-513-incremental-murder-victims-in-2020-485-were-nonwhite/#comment-4759651


    You’re reading the arrest rates, as if they were a mirror of misbehavior.

    Beginning in January, 1994, Mayor Rudy Giuliani had Police Commissioner William Bratton go much more aggressively against “quality-of-life” offenses (public panhandling, drinking, and urination), i.e., broken windows policing, aka order-maintenance policing, subway fare-beating, and started stop-and-frisk tactics, in order to get illegal guns off the street. Something else that he did was just as radical: He made it clear that he backed the police.

    You can hire all the additional cops in the world, and it won’t help a bit, if you don’t support them. Otherwise, the boom will just enrich donut shops.

    Note that pre-Giuliani, we had tons of cops and a pervasive problem with obesity among them.

    However, if you rely on Heather Mac Donald and other Republican writers, you won’t know that leftwing judges, and even DAs had great success in sabotaging broken windows policing, by throwing out most or all of the arrests from their respective jurisdictions.

    The environment was so polluted with broken windows propaganda that even I forgot about it, and I had written the first national exposé on the sabotage in 1996 (“Crime Stories”). Years later, I re-read it.

    https://www.unz.com/print/Chronicles-1996aug-00039/


     

    Is there any evidence that California became less strict about arrests&prosecutions from 2015 to 2019? Are there any articles about that? Is the racially charged&polarized NYC of the 90s really a good model for 2015-2019 California?

    As for 2020, the cops were pretty strict about policing social gatherings and anything that infringed on the Covid lockdowns, but they sometimes took a lighter hand with Blacks and rioters.

    In the 2015-2019 time frame, White Californians experienced a slightly greater decline in their arrest rate when compared to Blacks (-14.1% for Whites vs -12.6% for Blacks). For the 2015-2020 time frame, both groups were roughly comparable (-36.3% for Whites vs -36.4% for Blacks).

    If we assume there are political pressures at play to go easy on Blacks in California, that might explain the decline in their arrest rate. However, I highly doubt anyone in the California police or judicial system is trying to go easy on Whites. Yet both races saw similar declines in their respective arrest rates.

    By the way, there's a lot of anecdotal evidence that California cops&prosecutors may have become TOUGHER in recent years. Read this interesting article.

    https://psmag.com/social-justice/the-end-of-gangs-los-angeles-southern-california-epidemic-crime-95498


    Prosecuting street gangs has meant abandoning the previous focus on kingpins. “‘Cut off the head and body dies’ just isn’t true” when it comes to Southern California street gangs, says Brunwin. “You have to go after everyone—anyone who had anything to do with, supported, or touched the organization. You have to have an effect on the structure, its daily operation. The only thing that works is adopting a scorched-Earth policy.”

    Since 2006, there have been more than two dozen RICO indictments in Southern California, targeting Florencia 13, Hawaiian Gardens (HG-13), Azusa 13, Five-Deuce Broadway Gangster Crips, Pueblo Bishop Bloods, and many more of the region’s most entrenched and violent gangs. Most of the indictments have dozens of defendants; the Florencia case had 102, while Hawaiian Gardens, in 2009, was one of the largest street-gang indictments in U.S. history, with 147. Some of these indictments once provided news fodder for days. Now they’re so common that they no longer earn the Los Angeles Times’ front page. A recent RICO indictment against 41 members of the El Monte Flores gang, detailing alleged extortion, drug taxation, and race-hate crimes dating back more than a decade, didn’t even warrant a press conference.


     


    Southern California RICO cases have sent large numbers of street-gang soldiers to prisons in places like Arkansas or Indiana, where no girlfriend is coming to visit. In California prisons, inmates usually serve only half their time before getting out on parole, but federal prison sentences are long and provide for no parole.

    To my eye, the effects of most RICO prosecutions against Southern California gangs have been dramatic, as if a series of anthills had been not just disturbed but dug up whole. Hawaiian Gardens has seen a 50 percent in drop in violent crime since the prosecutions of 2009. The neighborhoods that spawned Azusa 13 and Florencia 13 seem completely changed. I’ve seen similar post-RICO transformations across Southern California.
     

  77. @OilcanFloyd
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Which is worse: ethnic-cum hipster or ethnic cum-hipster
     
    Ethnic cum-dumpster?

    Replies: @animalogic

    What’s worse?
    ANY hipster of any shape or form.

  78. @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    The new wave pecking order is apparently:

    Morrissey
    Bauhaus
    Blondie
    Devo
    Echo and the Bunnymen
    Psychedelic Furs
    English Beat
    Public Image Ltd

    Depeche Mode used to play the Rose Bowl because the Asians of the San Gabriel Valley were crazy about them. But they aren't at the show.

    I haven't seen an old band since The Ramones in 1994. The oldest guys I've seen were Bob Dylan in 1986, Paul Simon in 1985, and, maybe, David Bowie in 1983 (who had a bunch of big hits that year like "Let's Dance" and "Modern Love"). Are old people playing rock music depressing? A lot of rock stars become better musicians as the years pass, judging by PBS fundraiser-type shows, but rock is so much tied to youth that I've never been much inclined to go.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Morris Applebaum IV, @Achmed E. Newman, @JMcG, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Pete Townshend wrote, “I hope I die before I get old.” As far as creativity goes, that’s pretty much the fate of every rock star. I find it depressing to see old people playing when they haven’t written anything good in 40 years. I don’t quite understand it. Paul McCartney wrote literally dozens of excellent songs in the 60s and 70s, some quite brilliant, and hasn’t managed anything decent since the 80s (and I’m being generous about the 80s). The creativity of rock stars seems to mirror athletes (best in the late 20s, virtually nothing of value after 40), not traditional songwriters and composers.

  79. @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    The new wave pecking order is apparently:

    Morrissey
    Bauhaus
    Blondie
    Devo
    Echo and the Bunnymen
    Psychedelic Furs
    English Beat
    Public Image Ltd

    Depeche Mode used to play the Rose Bowl because the Asians of the San Gabriel Valley were crazy about them. But they aren't at the show.

    I haven't seen an old band since The Ramones in 1994. The oldest guys I've seen were Bob Dylan in 1986, Paul Simon in 1985, and, maybe, David Bowie in 1983 (who had a bunch of big hits that year like "Let's Dance" and "Modern Love"). Are old people playing rock music depressing? A lot of rock stars become better musicians as the years pass, judging by PBS fundraiser-type shows, but rock is so much tied to youth that I've never been much inclined to go.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Morris Applebaum IV, @Achmed E. Newman, @JMcG, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I agree with you on not caring to watch any of these people play in their old age*. There are other factors about big concerts now. Prices for tickets are a whopping 10 to 20 times what they were when rock was biggest. Then, I don’t think anything more than 15,000 seats is a place I want to see a rock show in, but they all mostly come to these huge places like stadiums. “Oh, there he is on the big screen TV!” “Yeah, we could see that on the screen at home.”

    Worst was back in ’89 (I think), I finally had the money for good tickets to the Allman Brothers. They were not in their prime, and, of course, missing Dwayne Allman and Berry Oakley long before. That wasn’t the problem. I wanted us to get down to the floor right in front, the way all those people with the good tickets used to, but now you weren’t allowed. Then, though I’m not a smoker myself, there was a no-smoking rule, which seems ludicrous compared to what you’d have seen a few years earlier. (The whole basketball arena would smell like pot, but not the nasty skunk-week smell of nowadays.)

    .

    * The Dead would have been an obvious exception.

  80. “For example, was there really an explosion in Asians shooting Asians in 2020?”

    Those Tong wars in Irvine can be quite deadly.

  81. @anon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You snoozed, you missed the nooze.

    A link can still be found using the search tool:
    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/

    Note the message in this thread.
    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/an-age-when-vibrators-are-sold-on-the-high-street/

    You may still be able to poast here
    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/ae-open-thread/

    Hope this helps.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks to all for the replies. I didn’t completely snooze, as I noticed that one weirdly-named post was on unz as his latest for a long time. (I thought he might be on vacation.)

    I did catch a Ron Unz comment about transferring that open thread but didn’t understand what that was about.

    The commenters, the ones from iSteve excepted, were not completely of my style – often naive about politics, if you ask me, and it was like a clique somewhat. Secondly, the posts with the bar graphs were interesting, but I have wasted 45 minutes responding to a poll recently (see “I’ve Been Polled”), with that experience and observation making me see how worthless most polls are. Therefore, there can be good discussion, but starting with a bogus premise.

    However, I like Audacious Epigone’s political views. He did great with his financial posts, as he indeed know that what can’t go on, won’t go on, and he sees what’s coming. Perhaps he should write a prepper column.

    .

    PS: Oh, it’s minor, but I will always remember with fondness, Mr. A.E.’s non-PC style of using appropriate colors for his bar graphs, especially involving race. It saves the reader time and confusion. Kudos for that, A.E.!

    • Agree: Bill Jones
  82. It’s a good start.

  83. @Pittsburgh Thatcherite
    @Rob McX

    Dubai is a small kingdom in the middle east.

    90% of the Dubai's population are foreign guest workers, mostly uneducated young men from South Asia.

    Remarkably, Dubai has almost no crime.

    .

    How does Dubai prevent crime?

    Any foreign guest worker who commits any crime or is unemployed is deported.

    Deportation permanently removes dysfunctional people from Dubai, at no financial cost to Dubai.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV, @AceDeuce

    An excellent policy. If we deported our criminals back to the region of their heritage, e.g. Africa or Mexico, our crime would drop and the country would be a better place.

  84. @Pittsburgh Thatcherite
    @Rob McX

    Dubai is a small kingdom in the middle east.

    90% of the Dubai's population are foreign guest workers, mostly uneducated young men from South Asia.

    Remarkably, Dubai has almost no crime.

    .

    How does Dubai prevent crime?

    Any foreign guest worker who commits any crime or is unemployed is deported.

    Deportation permanently removes dysfunctional people from Dubai, at no financial cost to Dubai.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV, @AceDeuce

    In addition, Dubai is part of the UAE, which has capital punishment.

  85. @Truth
    Steve-O, Praise the Lord, and Pass...

    https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshh9U87Q1c05I2sI6FU

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @fish, @anon

    You’re a bright guy (relatively) Truth – what does the fact this isn’t wall to wall headline news, complete with “Breaking Coverage” interruptions of sporting events tell you?

    • Replies: @Truth
    @William Badwhite

    A bunch of people driving around with legal weapons with no crime committed?

    Replies: @anon

  86. @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Minneapolis situation is sad. It used to be one of the whitest, most generically American (ok, Germanic but still generic) and pleasant American cities.

    Why are blacks even there? It's an absolutely terrible place climatically for blacks. And then replacing the ones who--wisely--leave for Atlanta with FOB Somalis? C'mon.

    It would be nice if we could have someplace without "diversity".

    How about for every racial/ethnic group--blacks, whites, Mexicans, Jews, Muslims, Chinese, Indians, Italians, Irish, Scots-Irish, etc. etc.--we have at least one city that is only for that group and one city where that group is not allowed. Then people would have a choice. Oh, i really don't want to live around those folks ... ahhh. Or i just want to live with my own people. Or i love the rainbow.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Reg Cæsar, @Thea

    A piece, how big I don’t know, of the reason Somali’s are in Minneapolis is the immigration sponsor scam. The government pays “foundations” serious money to ship the useless in. The Papists rake in $100 million a year, don’t know what the Lutheran take is. Their Foundation (LIRS)” Lutheran Immigration refugee service” deliberately left out the obvious “and” because that would give them a more accurate acronym.

  87. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    Asians are still less likely to be murdered than Whites in California.

    16% of murder victims in CA were white in 2020 and whites are about 30% of the California population under the age of 45. While 6% of the murder victims were Asian and Asians are 18% of the California population under the age of 45. If Asians were murdered as often as Whites the Asian murder rate would be 50% higher in California.

    In 2019 only 10% of murder victims were over the age of 50. The increased number of murders in 2020 was due to an increase in young people being murdered. Asians in America have a median age of 31 while whites have a median age of 42 so we should be seeing a bigger increase in Asian murders compared to White murders based on the age demographics of homicide victims.

    Replies: @Gjkjjbvvgb

    We need to increase the murder rate for Asians, in the interest of equity.

  88. @UNIT472
    The Police Chief of Chicago told that cities alderman that the courts are to blame for releasing too many criminals with nothing but an electronic monitor. That he cited a Chicago Tribune study is disturbing since you would think the CPD would be on top of this themselves but big city police chiefs are mostly negro AA hires these days and analyzing data is probably not their strong suit.

    My guess is the problem is the same or even worse in California where Gov Newsom has released tens of thousands of ex cons back onto the streets. Its all well and good to say they were convicted of non violent offenses but spending a few years ( or decades) in California's gang run prisons doesn't mean a person comes out the same as he went in. Dumping muscle bound prison gangsters on the sidewalks of Oakland or LA is going to have horrible consequences for those who interact with them.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    If I were a police chief in some urban hellhole the first thing I’d do is some shift-the-blaming.

    I’d analyze the shit out of all the Judges decisions and their consequences: murders and other crimes committed by easy back on the street in no time sentences and publish a league table.
    I’d also include some information as to where they live: in the city or out, and for the benefit of black judges, if they live in white neighborhoods,

    Day two, I’d start on the ADA’s

  89. 359 white murder victims. That’s awful.

  90. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Steve Sailer


    rock is so much tied to youth that I’ve never been much inclined to go
     
    That makes sense if you self-consciously feel old, I guess. But for those ‘established’ acts, there will be plenty of people your age in attendance. Even general admission should be no sweat: Just put in some foam earplugs and hang back with a beer in your hand (and bring the wife if she’s so inclined).

    I haven’t seen an old band since The Ramones in 1994.
     
    Have you seen any new bands since then? For instance, that whole Cruel World lineup is pretty tight, including the newer bands—all solid acts on the contemporary synth/darkwave/post-punk spectrum. Maybe those genres (starting early-mid 80’s) came too late for peak “imprinting” on youngish Steve?

    https://aegwebprod.blob.core.windows.net/content/content_images/173/PmlLfjaf5IXfOhDb4z9VfN8aig7hulReL2jHFlxU.jpeg

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Desiderius, @SunBakedSuburb

    I’m younger than Steve and my favorite pop music is seventies R&B stuff that I remember from “imprinting” with some Hendrix, Maiden, and Sabbath I got into via Metallica later.

    Now I just listen to Mozart and Bach and what have you because that’s what my boys like. Seems like Steve got into New Wave because he liked it.

    • Replies: @BLESTO-V
    @Desiderius

    I'm going to be starting a rumor around L.A. that new wave fans always keep a Rolex in they car.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Desiderius


    Now I just listen to Mozart and Bach and what have you because that’s what my boys like.
     
    I guess you’re not really into music. There are whole decades you’ve missed since the heyday of the bands you’ve mentioned.

    One funny thing about iSteve music threads/subthreads is recurring comments that mention/boast that they haven’t listened to new music since 1973 or whenever. I guess for some people the “thrill is gone” early: I don’t just mean ‘going to shows’, I mean hearing new stuff and have it emotionally/aesthetically resonate. (Yeah, The Onion mentioned this way back).

    Beyond aging, I’m guessing there may be a lot of people here ‘on the spectrum’ for whom music in general doesn’t hit ‘em with feels or appreciation—for them, music (pop and its subgenres) is instead more of a generational signifier—the resonance for them is the memories of being young when they heard it, rather that the impact/quality of the song itself.


    Seems like Steve got into New Wave because he liked it.
     
    Steve’s tastes are pretty mainstream and are centered on mostly quality newer (at the time) “cool” bands that were playing he was hitting his stride as a young adult in undergrad and grad school. When he recalls some ‘bragging rights’ shows he went to in that era, there’s a vibe from his tone that it’s the nostalgia of the scene that stays with him most.

    Maybe Steve will chime in—Steve, do you play tunes as you work the web in your studious city wardrobe? If so, what do you listen to? Opera? Clash? Go-Gos?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvg2Dcr7AFk

    Replies: @Desiderius, @James J O'Meara

  91. @Truth
    Steve-O, Praise the Lord, and Pass...

    https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshh9U87Q1c05I2sI6FU

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @fish, @anon

    Troof,

    What be up wit teh brutha……he talks lak wypipo?

    • Replies: @Truth
    @fish

    Had to read it three times, Old Sod.

  92. @Alden
    @Michelle

    As my district attorney friend observed; black victims are as bad as their killers.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Michelle

    After Jeffery Dahmer’s arrest, a female crime reporter from one of the Milwaukee newspapers–an old school journalism veteran–the kind of “broad” who could match the men shot for shot at the bar and then bang out a damned good story at the typewriter in no time flat with a cigarette hanging out of her mouth, came out with a book about the murders.

    One of the interesting features, for which she got a lot of criticism, was an appendix at the end in which she listed all of Dahmer’s victims-along with each of their own police records, which, in most of the cases, were considerable.

    • Replies: @Michelle
    @AceDeuce

    Yeah, but still, they encountered a super, super, predator, to beat all predators. If Dahmer was born in a different time or place, say New Guinea, or New Zealand, he would have been head, head hunter in charge.

  93. Canada’s homicides still down from last year. Number of male murders also down.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @surly

    "Homicide Canada" LOL! "Arrive Canada", "Nav Canada", "Toilet Inspection Canada". Do they have to do that with EVERY single agency of their globohomo government up there?

    From that name it sounds like the government agency making the tweet wants to genocide the population of Canada, hahaa... oh, wait ...

    Perhaps it should be the "Homo side of Canada", as in "the Lighter side of Sears". Which side would that be anyway, over in the Maritimes or maybe in Quebec where they speak French? Anyone? Response Canada, are you with us?

  94. fish says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    The expression "Idle hands are the Devil's workshop" applies the most to black people, IMO, Maybe Hispanics would be 2nd, I dunno, but I can't imagine it applies to the Asian population. Perhaps more of the perpetrators of the murders or the Californian Asians were black people last year. You have noted that the "snitches get stitches" attitude makes it hard to determine the culprits in black murders, but the victim is not black ...

    How many White people are even left there, Steve? There's you, Ron Unz, Alden ...

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Alfa158, @fish

    The expression “Idle hands are the Devil’s workshop” applies the most to black people, IMO, Maybe Hispanics would be 2nd……

    Driving into the East Bay from the Central Valley….if I see 4 lumps in a ratty sedan driving in a reasonable fashion predawn I know that it’s probably 4 Mexicans headed to do hard manual labor somewhere. If on the other hand I see (usually just two, but occasionally more) weaving across 4 lanes, frequently passing something with a burning tip between them, apparently in a great big hurry….to get to what…..not sure, maybe Calculus class, I assume that they are of another ethnic group.

    Sorry Achmed….partial credit only.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @fish

    Fish, I don't deny that lots of Hispanics work hard. However, I meant idle hands. If they ARE idle, how much trouble do they cause? You may be right, but I put White people on the low end with this problem and proverb.

    I had good friend who really wasn't doing much that most would call constructive for a number of years. (He was taken care of his Mom and the old house.) He may have got into this or that which some like my wife would call a complete waste of time, but there was no chance this time on his hands would cause him to become a serious troublemaker. If he were a black guy, I know the chances would have been much higher.

  95. @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Minneapolis situation is sad. It used to be one of the whitest, most generically American (ok, Germanic but still generic) and pleasant American cities.

    Why are blacks even there? It's an absolutely terrible place climatically for blacks. And then replacing the ones who--wisely--leave for Atlanta with FOB Somalis? C'mon.

    It would be nice if we could have someplace without "diversity".

    How about for every racial/ethnic group--blacks, whites, Mexicans, Jews, Muslims, Chinese, Indians, Italians, Irish, Scots-Irish, etc. etc.--we have at least one city that is only for that group and one city where that group is not allowed. Then people would have a choice. Oh, i really don't want to live around those folks ... ahhh. Or i just want to live with my own people. Or i love the rainbow.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Reg Cæsar, @Thea

    Why are blacks even there?

    For a long time, the only blacks that were were the type that got along with whites. That kept the racial temperature down.

    It also helped that the minority segment of the population was split so many ways– native blacks, Africans, Asians, American Indians, and some Latins. Unlike in Cincinnati, which had a similar white/non-white ratio but the latter was overwhelmingly black, they couldn’t, or wouldn’t, gang up on us. Their diversity was our strength.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Reg Cæsar

    Cincinnati blacks are pretty chill now. Black behavior has a lot to do with the strength of nearby whites.

  96. @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    Why are blacks even there?
     
    For a long time, the only blacks that were were the type that got along with whites. That kept the racial temperature down.

    It also helped that the minority segment of the population was split so many ways-- native blacks, Africans, Asians, American Indians, and some Latins. Unlike in Cincinnati, which had a similar white/non-white ratio but the latter was overwhelmingly black, they couldn't, or wouldn't, gang up on us. Their diversity was our strength.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Cincinnati blacks are pretty chill now. Black behavior has a lot to do with the strength of nearby whites.

  97. If you’re anti-authoritarian you’re not elite whatever LARP your daddies are funding. The elite are elite because they’re the authors of our common life.

  98. @Anon
    There goes the white trashionalist narrative. It's getting safer and safer to be white in the majority nonwhite areas, and more dangerous to be a nonwhite male.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  99. @Truth
    Steve-O, Praise the Lord, and Pass...

    https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshh9U87Q1c05I2sI6FU

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @fish, @anon

    It appears they ran out of fuel and wound up on the shoulder of the freeway at 2 AM.

    What does that say about their logistical skillz?

    Then they were standing around obviously armed when the Mass. cops arrived.

    What does that say about their ability to keep a low profile?

    PS: +1 to William Badwhite’s obviously obvious observation.

  100. @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    The new wave pecking order is apparently:

    Morrissey
    Bauhaus
    Blondie
    Devo
    Echo and the Bunnymen
    Psychedelic Furs
    English Beat
    Public Image Ltd

    Depeche Mode used to play the Rose Bowl because the Asians of the San Gabriel Valley were crazy about them. But they aren't at the show.

    I haven't seen an old band since The Ramones in 1994. The oldest guys I've seen were Bob Dylan in 1986, Paul Simon in 1985, and, maybe, David Bowie in 1983 (who had a bunch of big hits that year like "Let's Dance" and "Modern Love"). Are old people playing rock music depressing? A lot of rock stars become better musicians as the years pass, judging by PBS fundraiser-type shows, but rock is so much tied to youth that I've never been much inclined to go.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Morris Applebaum IV, @Achmed E. Newman, @JMcG, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    If you get a chance, go see Mark Knopfler. Even better now that I’m an old f**k.

    • Agree: sayless
  101. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Steve Sailer


    rock is so much tied to youth that I’ve never been much inclined to go
     
    That makes sense if you self-consciously feel old, I guess. But for those ‘established’ acts, there will be plenty of people your age in attendance. Even general admission should be no sweat: Just put in some foam earplugs and hang back with a beer in your hand (and bring the wife if she’s so inclined).

    I haven’t seen an old band since The Ramones in 1994.
     
    Have you seen any new bands since then? For instance, that whole Cruel World lineup is pretty tight, including the newer bands—all solid acts on the contemporary synth/darkwave/post-punk spectrum. Maybe those genres (starting early-mid 80’s) came too late for peak “imprinting” on youngish Steve?

    https://aegwebprod.blob.core.windows.net/content/content_images/173/PmlLfjaf5IXfOhDb4z9VfN8aig7hulReL2jHFlxU.jpeg

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Desiderius, @SunBakedSuburb

    A lot of great bands on that bill. Although I’d prefer to see The Church in an indoor venue: those Aussies weave serious melodies and tones with their guitars and you lose a lot of the intricacies in an outdoor arena.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @SunBakedSuburb


    those Aussies weave serious melodies and tones with their guitars
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/a-chick-fil-a-to-try-paying-18-hour/#comment-2352399
  102. Anon[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Bun

    A big part of the Cheap Trick shtick was playing up the distinctive images of the four members, so good for Bun.

    There used to be a radio talk show in L.A. where an entertainment lawyer gave advice on intellectual property, usually to amateur musicians who'd worked out songs in rehearsal and now they were going pro and wondering about who owned what. It all sounded like a legal nightmare, although I suppose there is enough upside that they usually settle out of court if they do have a hit.

    A commenter here once explained that when bands break up and refuse lucrative offers to reunite for tours it's usually because they are at each other's throats over who gets how much. He said that The Police finally worked out a deal to tour again, agreeing that Sting would get 60%, while Stewart Copeland and Andy Summers would get 20% each. If you are as big as The Police, I suppose 20% is enough to live a life of luxury.

    The Ramones were small enough that they toured for 20 years straight, even though Johnnie stole Joey's girlfriend (and married her and they had 3 kids) and therefore they didn't speak for many years on tour.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anon, @Reg Cæsar

    The lead singer of the Turtles had a business for a while after the band dissolved where he would advise bands on contracts and legal stuff … not in the capacity of an attorney, so it was probably cheap. (The Turtles were my L.A. High school’s 1960s band … every L.A. High school had one.)

    The big band divide is songwriting. Songwriters don’t have to tour to pay the rent; non-songwriters do. This was behind all the band arguments about whether the other band members got to put one (lame) song on the albums, since albums were the unit of sale, more than singles, and a song on a hit album gave you an income. Rock critic Richard Meltzer did some lyrics for the Blue Oyster Cult and lived off of that for quite a while.

  103. The pseudo-meritocratic nobility (elite whites, fellow white people, and an increasing number of Brahmins) agitated the blacks to murder and despoil white peasants, but with the effect that blacks killed each other. It could be a Jordan Peele movie if he was a more serious director.

  104. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Bun

    A big part of the Cheap Trick shtick was playing up the distinctive images of the four members, so good for Bun.

    There used to be a radio talk show in L.A. where an entertainment lawyer gave advice on intellectual property, usually to amateur musicians who'd worked out songs in rehearsal and now they were going pro and wondering about who owned what. It all sounded like a legal nightmare, although I suppose there is enough upside that they usually settle out of court if they do have a hit.

    A commenter here once explained that when bands break up and refuse lucrative offers to reunite for tours it's usually because they are at each other's throats over who gets how much. He said that The Police finally worked out a deal to tour again, agreeing that Sting would get 60%, while Stewart Copeland and Andy Summers would get 20% each. If you are as big as The Police, I suppose 20% is enough to live a life of luxury.

    The Ramones were small enough that they toured for 20 years straight, even though Johnnie stole Joey's girlfriend (and married her and they had 3 kids) and therefore they didn't speak for many years on tour.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anon, @Reg Cæsar

    He said that The Police finally worked out a deal to tour again, agreeing that Sting would get 60%, while Stewart Copeland and Andy Summers would get 20% each. If you are as big as The Police, I suppose 20% is enough to live a life of luxury.

    The Beach Boys corporation licenses Mike Love to tour as the band, and he hires a group and schedules the tours. The group is generally pretty legit, including sometimes Al Jardine, Bruce Johnston, David Marks, and other with some past connection with the band.

    Brian Wilson sometimes is quoted as whining about this setup, and I wondered why he can’t nix it. So I looked into it.

    The Beach Boys, as with most bands, lumbered along with no legal form for a few years, then they in corporate with the then current membership, which was the three Wilsons, Love, Jardine, and Bruce Johnston, each holding a sixth share (Marks stupidly had quit early). Johnston was eased out and his share was sold back to the corporation. Dennis drowned in Marina del Rey and his share was dissolved in exchange for forgiveness of debts. Carl died and his share went to his estate.

    So the Beach Boys now are Brian, Mike, the estate of Carl Wilson, and Al Jardine. Mike wants to tour, the estate of Carl Wilson wants money, and Jardine hates Mike but wants money and Brian is never going to tour enough to make any. So in the end it’s three to one for letting Mike handle the touring.

    Mike is a workhorse, and he knows how to set up a tour and hire a band. He knows the market for the band and knows how often they can visit each city without wearing out their welcome. He’s not too proud to do small fairs and the like. So he is good at maximizing income. There are only so many fanatics who will show up to hear Brian at the piano croaking out obscure songs from Pet Sounds and Smile accompanied by a string quartet. That gets the headlines, but not the money.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman, res
  105. @Steve Sailer
    @Bun

    A big part of the Cheap Trick shtick was playing up the distinctive images of the four members, so good for Bun.

    There used to be a radio talk show in L.A. where an entertainment lawyer gave advice on intellectual property, usually to amateur musicians who'd worked out songs in rehearsal and now they were going pro and wondering about who owned what. It all sounded like a legal nightmare, although I suppose there is enough upside that they usually settle out of court if they do have a hit.

    A commenter here once explained that when bands break up and refuse lucrative offers to reunite for tours it's usually because they are at each other's throats over who gets how much. He said that The Police finally worked out a deal to tour again, agreeing that Sting would get 60%, while Stewart Copeland and Andy Summers would get 20% each. If you are as big as The Police, I suppose 20% is enough to live a life of luxury.

    The Ramones were small enough that they toured for 20 years straight, even though Johnnie stole Joey's girlfriend (and married her and they had 3 kids) and therefore they didn't speak for many years on tour.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anon, @Reg Cæsar

    A big part of the Cheap Trick shtick was playing up the distinctive images of the four members, so good for Bun.

    It always appeared that they and AC/DC swiped this idea from the Mael brothers. But then, it’s been a comic format forever– straight man and jester. Were I to be in a stand-up act, I’d be very much the straight man, but one who writes the wackiest lines to set up for my partner to deliver.

    Still waters run creep.

  106. res says:
    @Elli
    The FBI used to have EZASHR publicly available. Easy Access to Supplemental Homicide Reports.

    You could cross-tabulate by year, state, means, sex, race, age of victim and offender, offender-victim relationship, number of victims and offenders.

    EZASHR is gone. You can still find a few mentions and dead links.

    Replies: @David, @res

    Did they just move it?
    https://www.ojjdp.gov/OJSTATBB/ezashr/asp/vic_selection.asp

    I was able to generate a 2019 table of Race of victim by Race of oldest offender.

    Note that 1/3 of the 2019 cases have an unknown race of oldest offender (I am curious what the 279 cases with unknown race of victim are).

    • Thanks: Elli
  107. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://imgur.com/a/cBTiksH

    As you can see in the above chart, adult misdemeanor arrests fell by -23.1% from 2019 to 2020. Between 2015 and 2019, adult misdemeanor arrests fell by a more modest -7.3%.

    From 2019 to 2020, the fall in adult misdemeanor arrests was most notable for burglaries (-45.5%), liquor law violations (-49.4%), and public drunkenness (-35%). There were falls in all categories, EXCEPT gambling (+23.5%), traffic violations (+4.7%), and vandalism (+3.1%).

    https://imgur.com/a/Ommj6fz

    For juvenile misdemeanor arrests, the fall was -46.5% from 2019 to 2020. Between 2015 and 2019, juvenile misdemeanor arrests fell by -46.8%. There were falls in all categories, EXCEPT traffic violations (+24.7%).

    https://imgur.com/a/EjkP63x

    Felony arrests fell -6.8% from 2019 to 2020. Homicide arrests increased significantly (+18.1%), as did arrests related to motor vehicle thefts (+6.8%), arson (+30.9%), and narcotics (+0.8%). All other categories saw falls.

    So there appears to have been a decline in the crime rate in California, with the decline most pronounced among juveniles. This decline in crime has evident for a number of years, but the Covid lockdowns may have produced an especially significant fall during 2020.

    However, the homicide rate seems to be a very notable exception to the above. Not only did homicide arrests increase by +18.1%, but the overall homicide rate went up by +31%. The discrepancy between the two figures is due to not all murderers being caught by the cops.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @res

    Remember, it is hard to overlook bodies. Don’t assume a fall in arrests is the same as a fall in crime in other cases.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @res

    Is there any evidence that cops became more lenient on arrests in 2015-2019 time interval?

    Based on everything I've seen and read, policing has become more strict in recent years.

    2020&2021 perhaps are exceptions. There's less policing of Black areas and riot-hit zones, but much more policing of anything that violates Covid protocols (such as house parties). So it's harder to generalize about the past 1.5 years.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @res

    https://imgur.com/a/GzDX5aT

    If cops were policing less strictly, we'd expect a growing proportion of arrests to result in the perpetrator being "Released."

    Juvenile -

    Percent of arrestees who were "Released."

    2015: 23%
    2019: 20.5%
    2020: 20.6%

    Adult -

    Percent of arrestees who were "Released."

    2015: 4.57%
    2019: 4.7%
    2020: 5.1%

    We'd also expect a falling proportion of arrests to result in perpetrators being "Turned over to other agency."

    Juvenile -

    Percent of arrestees who were "Turned over to other agency."

    2015: 1.2%
    2019: 2.7%
    2020: 2.4%

    Adult -

    Percent of arrestees who were "Turned over to other agency."

    2015: 1.0%
    2019: 1.5%
    2020: 1.0%

    The data don't show any notable lessening in the severity of policing.

    There's no reason to think that California cops were more lenient in arrests in 2019 than in 2015. The fall in arrests likely reflects a fall in criminality, especially amongst youths. The fall in California youth arrests actually mirrors national trends.

    See my other post.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/of-californias-513-incremental-murder-victims-in-2020-485-were-nonwhite/#comment-4759163

    , @J.Ross
    @res

    This, pretty much every antifa video clearly depicts vandalism, assault, and police fetality.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  108. unlocked NYTimes Article

    Steve, you might find a bevy of blog content in this internal ESPN spat.

    Seems to involve circular firing squad, shades of ethnocentrism, upper-middle class hypocrisy when Diversity comes knocking on their door (the Do They Really Believe It question).

  109. @J.Ross
    OTish, Supposedly May 14 & 15, next year in Pasadena, there will be a concert, government permitting, with pretty much every surviving New Wave person other than Siouxie.
    https://cruelworldfest.com

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Dumbo, @Clyde

    OTish, Supposedly May 14 & 15, next year in Pasadena, there will be a concert, government permitting, with pretty much every surviving New Wave person other than Siouxie.
    https://cruelworldfest.com

    These geezers will have 11 months to practice to make perfect, so it should be good. My advice is to buy your old CDs and play/practice along with them. Buy a teleprompter for the show.

  110. @Desiderius
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I’m younger than Steve and my favorite pop music is seventies R&B stuff that I remember from “imprinting” with some Hendrix, Maiden, and Sabbath I got into via Metallica later.

    Now I just listen to Mozart and Bach and what have you because that’s what my boys like. Seems like Steve got into New Wave because he liked it.

    Replies: @BLESTO-V, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I’m going to be starting a rumor around L.A. that new wave fans always keep a Rolex in they car.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @BLESTO-V


    new wave fans always keep a Rolex in they car
     
    Specifically, in modded tinted-glass older Infinitis with a huge Callaway decal on the back window:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/loot-crate/#comment-1921478 (#38)

    Apologies to Helen Folasade Adu:

    Robbing Steve, LA to Chicago, western male
    Car radios, Rolexes the cargo, stuff for sale
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/was-1991-really-the-most-important-year-in-pop-music-history
  111. @William Badwhite
    @Truth

    You're a bright guy (relatively) Truth - what does the fact this isn't wall to wall headline news, complete with "Breaking Coverage" interruptions of sporting events tell you?

    Replies: @Truth

    A bunch of people driving around with legal weapons with no crime committed?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Truth

    A bunch of people driving around with legal weapons with no crime committed?

    Lol, they were in Massachusetts, dude. Massachusetts gun law is not as ugly as New York or New Jersey, but it has some real "gotcha" parts. Like licenses.

    Every one of them could go to jail for 1 year without the DA even breaking a sweat.

    Slam. Dunk.

    We'll see what actually happens, since it's still only Year One of the New World of Saint Floyd they may get off with some kind of probation, but will probably not be getting their guns back.

  112. @Reg Cæsar
    Related: Black North Minneapolis* prevails in a lawsuit. Judge agrees that there are too few police officers in the city.


    Judge's Minneapolis police staffing ruling bolsters north Minneapolis residents


    This was the top above-the-fold story today. Section A. Top headline in Section B:

    Law enforcement groups sue Walz, Minnesota over new use-of-force standards


    Several wounded in overnight violence in Minneapolis
    A baby was grazed by a bullet, and a woman was in critical condition after a stabbing.


    South is where flailing fentanyl ODs are restrained. North is where babies are regularly "grazed" by stray bullets.

    *A directional directory for the city:

    North: black
    Northeast: ethnic-cum-hipster
    Southeast: student ghetto
    South: everything under the sun; affordable bungalows
    Southwest: white; unaffordable bungalows
    Lake of the Isles: like Southwest, but with water, and ever so much more so

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @AnotherDad, @reactionry, @Mike Tre

    Whatever one thinks of the judge’s ruling, it ignores the larger point. They can order the city to retain any number of police they want, the challenge is getting anyone minimally competent enough to apply. I’ve been hearing that the Chicago Police Dept Academy is nearly empty.

    Then again, I’m glad it is. Not to go all old school gansta, but fuck the police. All they are now is either an armed extension of antifa policy or welfare with a badge.

    • Agree: J.Ross
    • Replies: @anon
    @Mike Tre

    I’ve been hearing that the Chicago Police Dept Academy is nearly empty.

    Even out here in flyover the local cop shop has been having trouble recruiting.

    Who would want to work in a place like Chitown or Mini-Somalia or Portlandia? It's a given that the top cop not only won't back up the street cops, he/she/it will gladly throw cops out of the sleigh to the wolves just because muh Equity Lives Matter.

  113. @Nicholas Stix
    @JohnnyWalker123

    My comment to you was accidentally addressed to @Reg Caesar.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/of-californias-513-incremental-murder-victims-in-2020-485-were-nonwhite/#comment-4759651

    You’re reading the arrest rates, as if they were a mirror of misbehavior.

    Beginning in January, 1994, Mayor Rudy Giuliani had Police Commissioner William Bratton go much more aggressively against “quality-of-life” offenses (public panhandling, drinking, and urination), i.e., broken windows policing, aka order-maintenance policing, subway fare-beating, and started stop-and-frisk tactics, in order to get illegal guns off the street. Something else that he did was just as radical: He made it clear that he backed the police.

    You can hire all the additional cops in the world, and it won’t help a bit, if you don’t support them. Otherwise, the boom will just enrich donut shops.

    Note that pre-Giuliani, we had tons of cops and a pervasive problem with obesity among them.

    However, if you rely on Heather Mac Donald and other Republican writers, you won’t know that leftwing judges, and even DAs had great success in sabotaging broken windows policing, by throwing out most or all of the arrests from their respective jurisdictions.

    The environment was so polluted with broken windows propaganda that even I forgot about it, and I had written the first national exposé on the sabotage in 1996 (“Crime Stories”). Years later, I re-read it.

    https://www.unz.com/print/Chronicles-1996aug-00039/

    Is there any evidence that California became less strict about arrests&prosecutions from 2015 to 2019? Are there any articles about that? Is the racially charged&polarized NYC of the 90s really a good model for 2015-2019 California?

    As for 2020, the cops were pretty strict about policing social gatherings and anything that infringed on the Covid lockdowns, but they sometimes took a lighter hand with Blacks and rioters.

    In the 2015-2019 time frame, White Californians experienced a slightly greater decline in their arrest rate when compared to Blacks (-14.1% for Whites vs -12.6% for Blacks). For the 2015-2020 time frame, both groups were roughly comparable (-36.3% for Whites vs -36.4% for Blacks).

    If we assume there are political pressures at play to go easy on Blacks in California, that might explain the decline in their arrest rate. However, I highly doubt anyone in the California police or judicial system is trying to go easy on Whites. Yet both races saw similar declines in their respective arrest rates.

    By the way, there’s a lot of anecdotal evidence that California cops&prosecutors may have become TOUGHER in recent years. Read this interesting article.

    https://psmag.com/social-justice/the-end-of-gangs-los-angeles-southern-california-epidemic-crime-95498

    Prosecuting street gangs has meant abandoning the previous focus on kingpins. “‘Cut off the head and body dies’ just isn’t true” when it comes to Southern California street gangs, says Brunwin. “You have to go after everyone—anyone who had anything to do with, supported, or touched the organization. You have to have an effect on the structure, its daily operation. The only thing that works is adopting a scorched-Earth policy.”

    Since 2006, there have been more than two dozen RICO indictments in Southern California, targeting Florencia 13, Hawaiian Gardens (HG-13), Azusa 13, Five-Deuce Broadway Gangster Crips, Pueblo Bishop Bloods, and many more of the region’s most entrenched and violent gangs. Most of the indictments have dozens of defendants; the Florencia case had 102, while Hawaiian Gardens, in 2009, was one of the largest street-gang indictments in U.S. history, with 147. Some of these indictments once provided news fodder for days. Now they’re so common that they no longer earn the Los Angeles Times’ front page. A recent RICO indictment against 41 members of the El Monte Flores gang, detailing alleged extortion, drug taxation, and race-hate crimes dating back more than a decade, didn’t even warrant a press conference.

    Southern California RICO cases have sent large numbers of street-gang soldiers to prisons in places like Arkansas or Indiana, where no girlfriend is coming to visit. In California prisons, inmates usually serve only half their time before getting out on parole, but federal prison sentences are long and provide for no parole.

    To my eye, the effects of most RICO prosecutions against Southern California gangs have been dramatic, as if a series of anthills had been not just disturbed but dug up whole. Hawaiian Gardens has seen a 50 percent in drop in violent crime since the prosecutions of 2009. The neighborhoods that spawned Azusa 13 and Florencia 13 seem completely changed. I’ve seen similar post-RICO transformations across Southern California.

  114. @Achmed E. Newman
    O/T: Hey, what happened to Audacious Epigone's blog? Anyone here know?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Triteleia Laxa, @Adam Smith, @anon, @Peter Johnson, @Mike Tre

    He eloped with Twinkie.

  115. @SafeNow
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “How many White people are even left there, Steve? There’s you, Ron Unz, Alden …”

    Also the airline pilots, air-traffic controllers, electricians, plumbers, and the USC water-polo team. Oh, I almost forgot myself (not actually “safe” - not from the affronts, frustrations, humiliations, and compromises of daily life - the SafeNow handle is autobiographical - I should change it).

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Also the airline pilots, air-traffic controllers, electricians, plumbers, and the USC water-polo team. Oh, I almost forgot myself (not actually “safe” – not from the affronts, frustrations, humiliations, and compromises of daily life – the SafeNow handle is autobiographical – I should change it).

    These idiots don’t know how many White people commute 2-3 hours to keep Black cities running.

    There is a trend where the White/Asian/Arab family owns both a house in the burbs and a condo in the city. The working parent then lives in the city for 3-4 days to work.

    This what the real multicultural utopia looks like.

    Driving 3-4 hours to the city and sleeping away from your family in a condo because Democrats and Republicans can’t face reality.

    hasn’t figured out that TEEVEE is a complete lie and there actually isn’t a problem of White people “holding back” skilled Blacks.

  116. @res
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Remember, it is hard to overlook bodies. Don't assume a fall in arrests is the same as a fall in crime in other cases.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123, @J.Ross

    Is there any evidence that cops became more lenient on arrests in 2015-2019 time interval?

    Based on everything I’ve seen and read, policing has become more strict in recent years.

    2020&2021 perhaps are exceptions. There’s less policing of Black areas and riot-hit zones, but much more policing of anything that violates Covid protocols (such as house parties). So it’s harder to generalize about the past 1.5 years.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Policing has become less strict over the past decade.

  117. OT- Pro Golfer Gene Siller gunned down by a Natural-Conservative-American on a golf course:

    https://www.newsmax.com/us/genesiller-golf-kennesaw-georgia/2021/07/04/id/1027431/

  118. @Bill Jones
    Any of them Sovereign Moorish Citizens"?

    https://boston.cbslocal.com/2021/07/03/rise-of-moors-moorish-american-arms-wakefield-standoff-i95/

    Replies: @Muggles

    So per this video on the “Moorish Citizens” they are black (Black!).

    Odd that while I’ve read some news accounts of this arrest, none of them mentioned that fact. I suppose I should have inferred, viz. our Soviet journalism now, that since they weren’t being labeled “a white supremacist militia group” that they were some sort of POC bunch.

    Original “Moors” were from North Africa and while some are black most are MENA of Arab or local descent from several places.

    You also have to think or infer that this group arrest and running through the woods was based on informants of some kind tracking them.

    You can’t be a “Sovereign Citizen” unless you have a bigger army than the US govt.

  119. @res
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Remember, it is hard to overlook bodies. Don't assume a fall in arrests is the same as a fall in crime in other cases.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123, @J.Ross

    View post on imgur.com

    If cops were policing less strictly, we’d expect a growing proportion of arrests to result in the perpetrator being “Released.”

    Juvenile –

    Percent of arrestees who were “Released.”

    2015: 23%
    2019: 20.5%
    2020: 20.6%

    Adult –

    Percent of arrestees who were “Released.”

    2015: 4.57%
    2019: 4.7%
    2020: 5.1%

    We’d also expect a falling proportion of arrests to result in perpetrators being “Turned over to other agency.”

    Juvenile –

    Percent of arrestees who were “Turned over to other agency.”

    2015: 1.2%
    2019: 2.7%
    2020: 2.4%

    Adult –

    Percent of arrestees who were “Turned over to other agency.”

    2015: 1.0%
    2019: 1.5%
    2020: 1.0%

    The data don’t show any notable lessening in the severity of policing.

    There’s no reason to think that California cops were more lenient in arrests in 2019 than in 2015. The fall in arrests likely reflects a fall in criminality, especially amongst youths. The fall in California youth arrests actually mirrors national trends.

    See my other post.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/of-californias-513-incremental-murder-victims-in-2020-485-were-nonwhite/#comment-4759163

  120. Anonymous[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    @res

    Is there any evidence that cops became more lenient on arrests in 2015-2019 time interval?

    Based on everything I've seen and read, policing has become more strict in recent years.

    2020&2021 perhaps are exceptions. There's less policing of Black areas and riot-hit zones, but much more policing of anything that violates Covid protocols (such as house parties). So it's harder to generalize about the past 1.5 years.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Policing has become less strict over the past decade.

  121. @res
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Remember, it is hard to overlook bodies. Don't assume a fall in arrests is the same as a fall in crime in other cases.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123, @J.Ross

    This, pretty much every antifa video clearly depicts vandalism, assault, and police fetality.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @J.Ross

    Reread my post.

    My data were from 2015-2019. Back when policing was strict.

  122. Also, also any competition for the present regime needs to make a high priority of fire-walling still very young climate science from the replicability crisis. Pointing out climate hoax is true but not nearly enough (mere opposition).

    Competition, not opposition.

  123. 4759892

    You shouldn’t make demonstratably false claims.

    Black population in USA.

    1990: 30 million (12%)
    2000: 36.2 million (12.9%)
    2010: 42.1 million (13%)
    2019: 46.8 million (14%)

    The White juvenile arrest rate fell by 77.1% between 1996 and 2019.
    The Non-White juvenile arrest rate fell by 74.5% in the same time period.

    Your graphs refers to overall arrest rates (adult + juvenile). My statistics refer to juvenile arrest rates.

    Good for you that you don’t blog under your real name. Your employer would fire you for innumeracy.

    • Thanks: Desiderius
    • Troll: JohnPlywood
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    A 2% increase in population over a 30 year period is the definition of stagnation, you hare-lipped harlot. Thanks for exposing yet again the sheer scale and immensity of your congenital brain damage.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @JohnnyWalker123

    A lot of that growth, perhaps a majority, comes from young, fecund immigrants.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

  124. @J.Ross
    @res

    This, pretty much every antifa video clearly depicts vandalism, assault, and police fetality.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Reread my post.

    My data were from 2015-2019. Back when policing was strict.

  125. @surly
    Canada's homicides still down from last year. Number of male murders also down.

    https://twitter.com/homicide_canada/status/1411530358601011219

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    “Homicide Canada” LOL! “Arrive Canada”, “Nav Canada”, “Toilet Inspection Canada”. Do they have to do that with EVERY single agency of their globohomo government up there?

    From that name it sounds like the government agency making the tweet wants to genocide the population of Canada, hahaa… oh, wait …

    Perhaps it should be the “Homo side of Canada”, as in “the Lighter side of Sears”. Which side would that be anyway, over in the Maritimes or maybe in Quebec where they speak French? Anyone? Response Canada, are you with us?

  126. @fish
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The expression “Idle hands are the Devil’s workshop” applies the most to black people, IMO, Maybe Hispanics would be 2nd......


    Driving into the East Bay from the Central Valley....if I see 4 lumps in a ratty sedan driving in a reasonable fashion predawn I know that it’s probably 4 Mexicans headed to do hard manual labor somewhere. If on the other hand I see (usually just two, but occasionally more) weaving across 4 lanes, frequently passing something with a burning tip between them, apparently in a great big hurry....to get to what.....not sure, maybe Calculus class, I assume that they are of another ethnic group.


    Sorry Achmed....partial credit only.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Fish, I don’t deny that lots of Hispanics work hard. However, I meant idle hands. If they ARE idle, how much trouble do they cause? You may be right, but I put White people on the low end with this problem and proverb.

    I had good friend who really wasn’t doing much that most would call constructive for a number of years. (He was taken care of his Mom and the old house.) He may have got into this or that which some like my wife would call a complete waste of time, but there was no chance this time on his hands would cause him to become a serious troublemaker. If he were a black guy, I know the chances would have been much higher.

  127. @JohnnyWalker123
    I remember back in the 80s and early 90s, there was a problem with Asian gangs in California. Are there any Asian gangs left or are they defunct?

    Replies: @Alden

    They grew up and went into sophisticated fraud and other financial crimes. Also they quickly killed off and heaped much shame on any co-ethnic who dared not pay extortion, ransoms or allowtheir homes and businesses to be used for prostitution massage places or illegal gambling.

  128. Anonymous[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123


    You shouldn't make demonstratably false claims.

    Black population in USA.

    1990: 30 million (12%)
    2000: 36.2 million (12.9%)
    2010: 42.1 million (13%)
    2019: 46.8 million (14%)

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/03/All-Blacks_Population.png

    The White juvenile arrest rate fell by 77.1% between 1996 and 2019.
    The Non-White juvenile arrest rate fell by 74.5% in the same time period.

    Your graphs refers to overall arrest rates (adult + juvenile). My statistics refer to juvenile arrest rates.

    Good for you that you don't blog under your real name. Your employer would fire you for innumeracy.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar

    A 2% increase in population over a 30 year period is the definition of stagnation, you hare-lipped harlot. Thanks for exposing yet again the sheer scale and immensity of your congenital brain damage.

    • Agree: JohnPlywood
  129. @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://imgur.com/a/oeu4ADe

    The above chart is based on national juvenile arrest statistics. The 2020 numbers haven't been released yet, but we have the figures up through 2019.

    The juvenile arrest rate has fallen by around 75% from the mid 90s through 2019. So a juvenile growing up in the mid 90s was 4 times MORE likely to be arrested than a 2019 juvenile. Which is an amazing difference.

    Even if you compare 2006 to 2019, a 2019 juvenile was roughly 1/3rd as likely to be arrested. What a change.

    https://imgur.com/a/izX9E11

    The juvenile liquor arrest rate in 2019 was less than 1/5th of the 2006 rate. Presumably, that means far fewer boozy house parties. See above chart.

    https://imgur.com/a/b9bEARX

    The juvenile public drunkenness arrest rate in 2019 was less than 1/5th of the 2006 rate. The 2019 rate was roughly 1/14th of the 1980 rate. So drinking&getting high with your friends in public was 14 times more common in 1980 than 2019.

    https://imgur.com/a/9AXU1xe

    The juvenile curfew&loitering arrest rate in 2019 was 1/10th of the 2006 rate. This is a good proxy for how much young people are hanging out in public places and staying out late. Young people must be staying home a lot.

    https://imgur.com/a/yxGkhaz

    For juvenile vagrancy, the arrest rate in 2019 was 1/14th of the 2006 rate. Youth vagrancy arrests are associated with youths who've run away from home and don't really have a permanent address. Basically, street kids. The type of youths who got groomed by the Rotherham Pakis, or Epstein&Maxwell in Florida.

    Young people seem to be disappearing from public places, while also partying WAY less.

    This is a generation who don't socialize much with their friends. Given that young people often get arrested while misbehaving with their friends, the lack of socialization is likely translating into fewer arrests.

    I'm not sure why this is happening, but I'd look at the following factors.

    -Helicopter parenting. Lots of Gen X parents partied too hard and socialized too much, often paying the price. So they're paranoid with regard to their own kids, who are now teens. They control their kids because they don't want them repeating their mistakes.
    -Strict policing keeping kids in line, deterring them from doing anything too "fun."
    -The increasing homework&extracirricular load, which leaves little time for friends.
    -The decreasing frequency of young people who work or hold odd jobs (like mowing the neighbor's lawn). So they don't have money to go out with their friends.
    -Smartphones and other electronic devices keeping young people occupied at home, while also providing them with an opportunity to socialize without being physically present in the same space.

    It's interesting. When you think about what young people were like back in the 80s and 90s, it's amazing how much they've changed.

    Replies: @Anon, @Nicholas Stix, @Alden

    Its video games internet laptops etc. lots of kids stay in their room and play video games with friends who are also in their rooms instead of going to a friends house to play video games. Kids seem to love bed school as they call it. The only ones who want to go back to regular are the ones whose sports team coaches told them they’re good enough for college scholarships.

    The mask, distancing, erratic schedules no talking in the cafeteria no clubs no hanging out with friends school rules make going to school even more unpopular. Many kids want to stay at home for bed school till they graduate.

    Kids would almost rather stay in the expensive ski lodge hotel and play video games than use the expensive ski lift tickets their parents bought.

    Only sex brings them out. But with video game internet isolation it’s not that easy to meet anyone nearby. So they chat with the boy and girl friend 200 miles away.

  130. anon[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth
    @William Badwhite

    A bunch of people driving around with legal weapons with no crime committed?

    Replies: @anon

    A bunch of people driving around with legal weapons with no crime committed?

    Lol, they were in Massachusetts, dude. Massachusetts gun law is not as ugly as New York or New Jersey, but it has some real “gotcha” parts. Like licenses.

    Every one of them could go to jail for 1 year without the DA even breaking a sweat.

    Slam. Dunk.

    We’ll see what actually happens, since it’s still only Year One of the New World of Saint Floyd they may get off with some kind of probation, but will probably not be getting their guns back.

  131. anon[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Tre
    @Reg Cæsar

    Whatever one thinks of the judge's ruling, it ignores the larger point. They can order the city to retain any number of police they want, the challenge is getting anyone minimally competent enough to apply. I've been hearing that the Chicago Police Dept Academy is nearly empty.

    Then again, I'm glad it is. Not to go all old school gansta, but fuck the police. All they are now is either an armed extension of antifa policy or welfare with a badge.

    Replies: @anon

    I’ve been hearing that the Chicago Police Dept Academy is nearly empty.

    Even out here in flyover the local cop shop has been having trouble recruiting.

    Who would want to work in a place like Chitown or Mini-Somalia or Portlandia? It’s a given that the top cop not only won’t back up the street cops, he/she/it will gladly throw cops out of the sleigh to the wolves just because muh Equity Lives Matter.

  132. @fish
    @Truth

    Troof,


    What be up wit teh brutha......he talks lak wypipo?

    Replies: @Truth

    Had to read it three times, Old Sod.

  133. @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    The new wave pecking order is apparently:

    Morrissey
    Bauhaus
    Blondie
    Devo
    Echo and the Bunnymen
    Psychedelic Furs
    English Beat
    Public Image Ltd

    Depeche Mode used to play the Rose Bowl because the Asians of the San Gabriel Valley were crazy about them. But they aren't at the show.

    I haven't seen an old band since The Ramones in 1994. The oldest guys I've seen were Bob Dylan in 1986, Paul Simon in 1985, and, maybe, David Bowie in 1983 (who had a bunch of big hits that year like "Let's Dance" and "Modern Love"). Are old people playing rock music depressing? A lot of rock stars become better musicians as the years pass, judging by PBS fundraiser-type shows, but rock is so much tied to youth that I've never been much inclined to go.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Morris Applebaum IV, @Achmed E. Newman, @JMcG, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    The Rolling Stones are still touring, Steve. So is U2. The question is whether anyone can talk Plant and Page to reunite for one more world tour with the remnants of Zeppelin. Could be the show of a lifetime if they do manage to pull it off.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    The Rolling Stones are still touring, Steve. So is U2.
     
    https://d1w7fb2mkkr3kw.cloudfront.net/assets/images/book/lrg/9781/8598/9781859844861.jpg
    , @anon
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    The Rolling Stones are still touring,

    You mean the Strolling Bones, amirite?

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/44/49/2f/44492f1f613f4c82c49d7121664f6264.jpg

    , @Desiderius
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I remember paying for a pay-per-view for The Who’s final concert in 1981 or thereabouts. People just assumed everyone would move on to the next type of music and rock would go the way of the Beatles and Dave Clark Five.

  134. @BLESTO-V
    @Desiderius

    I'm going to be starting a rumor around L.A. that new wave fans always keep a Rolex in they car.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    new wave fans always keep a Rolex in they car

    Specifically, in modded tinted-glass older Infinitis with a huge Callaway decal on the back window:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/loot-crate/#comment-1921478 (#38)

    Apologies to Helen Folasade Adu:

    Robbing Steve, LA to Chicago, western male
    Car radios, Rolexes the cargo, stuff for sale

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/was-1991-really-the-most-important-year-in-pop-music-history

  135. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    A lot of great bands on that bill. Although I'd prefer to see The Church in an indoor venue: those Aussies weave serious melodies and tones with their guitars and you lose a lot of the intricacies in an outdoor arena.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    those Aussies weave serious melodies and tones with their guitars

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/a-chick-fil-a-to-try-paying-18-hour/#comment-2352399

  136. @Desiderius
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I’m younger than Steve and my favorite pop music is seventies R&B stuff that I remember from “imprinting” with some Hendrix, Maiden, and Sabbath I got into via Metallica later.

    Now I just listen to Mozart and Bach and what have you because that’s what my boys like. Seems like Steve got into New Wave because he liked it.

    Replies: @BLESTO-V, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Now I just listen to Mozart and Bach and what have you because that’s what my boys like.

    I guess you’re not really into music. There are whole decades you’ve missed since the heyday of the bands you’ve mentioned.

    One funny thing about iSteve music threads/subthreads is recurring comments that mention/boast that they haven’t listened to new music since 1973 or whenever. I guess for some people the “thrill is gone” early: I don’t just mean ‘going to shows’, I mean hearing new stuff and have it emotionally/aesthetically resonate. (Yeah, The Onion mentioned this way back).

    Beyond aging, I’m guessing there may be a lot of people here ‘on the spectrum’ for whom music in general doesn’t hit ‘em with feels or appreciation—for them, music (pop and its subgenres) is instead more of a generational signifier—the resonance for them is the memories of being young when they heard it, rather that the impact/quality of the song itself.

    Seems like Steve got into New Wave because he liked it.

    Steve’s tastes are pretty mainstream and are centered on mostly quality newer (at the time) “cool” bands that were playing he was hitting his stride as a young adult in undergrad and grad school. When he recalls some ‘bragging rights’ shows he went to in that era, there’s a vibe from his tone that it’s the nostalgia of the scene that stays with him most.

    Maybe Steve will chime in—Steve, do you play tunes as you work the web in your studious city wardrobe? If so, what do you listen to? Opera? Clash? Go-Gos?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The topic was imprinting and Steve so I was comparing the stuff I was listening to (Metallica and predecessors) when I was the age Steve was when New Age was big to what I imprinted with (70s hits that were on radio).

    I don’t mind the heavy stuff but I haven’t listened to that regularly in years. I left out what came between then and now because it wasn’t relevant. Once you’re freed from the tyranny of the now eclectic doesn’t really do justice to what you can find.

    But yeah I’ll leave staying hip to the youngsters:

    https://twitter.com/nickjfuentes/status/1408636778815406084?lang=en

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @James J O'Meara
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    "When he recalls some ‘bragging rights’ shows he went to in that era, there’s a vibe from his tone that it’s the nostalgia of the scene that stays with him most."

    Schopenhauer observed that the essence of nostalgia is not the contents -- we don't really want to do that again or hear that again -- but the desire to have that chunk of time back to use today.

  137. @reactionry
    @Reg Cæsar

    Re the "directional directory" for Minneapolis:

    According to Wiki "Marcy-Holmes is the first neighborhood of Minneapolis." Its commercial district is called "Dinkytown." One of the proposed etymologies is based upon the name of a building owner, Louis Grodnik. That surname means "a small (or dinky) town" in Russian. The transliteration appeared to my (generally ignorant in such matters) startled eyes to be similar to "Gorodki," a game played in which a bat of sorts is thrown at cylindrical "skittles" or townlets in order to knock them out of a square representing a city.


    The sport "was a favorite childhood pastime of the eponymous protagonist of the novel Pnin by Vladimir Nabokov" and near the end of VN's short story, "Sounds" there is "some skittles flew up with a clatter." (I posted something about "Sounds" awhile back. It strikes an ominous note when someone asks, "Where is Sarajevo?" after reading a newspaper.)
    "The Finnish variant is called kyykkä, or Finnish skittles."

    Perhaps a thousand years from now a Chinaperson will put forth a false or folk etymology for the name of Dinkytown based on fragmentary records which mention the death in Dinkytown of someone who might be confused with a "saint" other than Floyd: Aries Trayvon Hubbard.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Dinkytown+Hubbard+Trayvon&ei=X2zhYLaCF_PptQatwLKQCg&oq=Dinkytown+Hubbard+Trayvon&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQghEKABOggIABDqAhCPAToFCAAQkQI6CwguELEDEMcBEKMCOgUIABCxAzoCCAA6CAguELEDEIMBOggILhDHARCjAjoLCC4QxwEQrwEQkQI6BAgAEEM6CAgAELEDEIMBOgQILhBDOgUILhCxAzoLCAAQsQMQgwEQyQM6BQgAEJIDOgcILhBDEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToHCAAQsQMQQzoICC4QsQMQkwI6CwguEMcBEK8BEJMCOgIILjoFCAAQyQM6BggAEBYQHjoCCCY6BwghEAoQoAE6BQghEKsCSgQIQRgAUJw5WOiEAWC6iwFoAXACeACAAZ8BiAG3E5IBBDE3LjmYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEKwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwj2rYn_-sjxAhXzdM0KHS2gDKIQ4dUDCA8&uact=5

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinkytown

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Gorodki+better+than+war&ei=OWvhYOirNZbdtAbRkayYDA&oq=Gorodki+better+than+war&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQghEKABOgcIABBHELADOg4IABCwAxCKAxC3AxDlAjoCCAA6BAgAEB46BggAEBYQHjoFCCEQqwJKBAhBGABQmL0BWKzZAWCl3QFoAXACeACAAY4BiAGcC5IBBDE2LjGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6yAEJwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwiorI_z-cjxAhWWLs0KHdEIC8MQ4dUDCA8&uact=5

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorodki

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    According to Wiki “Marcy-Holmes is the first neighborhood of Minneapolis.” Its commercial district is called “Dinkytown.”

    The main drag in Dinkytown is Fourth St SE. Dylan spent his time across the river on the hipper West Bank, but it’s natural to wonder if “Positively Fourth Street” is as much about Dinkytown as Greenwich Village.

    “Funkytown” is a Minneapolis evergreen, written about a yearning to head for NYC by a frustrated local producer. But the title is so close to “Dinkytown” that the latter must have been an influence, if only subconsciously. I never got the pun “Lipps, Inc” until just now, reading this:

    Funkytown marks 40th anniversary

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar


    Funkytown marks 40th anniversary

     

    These two Areva ad soundtracks hit different somehow

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNWVmMQKJ1s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agmPdxLWxhg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  138. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    The Rolling Stones are still touring, Steve. So is U2. The question is whether anyone can talk Plant and Page to reunite for one more world tour with the remnants of Zeppelin. Could be the show of a lifetime if they do manage to pull it off.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @anon, @Desiderius

    The Rolling Stones are still touring, Steve. So is U2.

  139. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    The Rolling Stones are still touring, Steve. So is U2. The question is whether anyone can talk Plant and Page to reunite for one more world tour with the remnants of Zeppelin. Could be the show of a lifetime if they do manage to pull it off.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @anon, @Desiderius

    The Rolling Stones are still touring,

    You mean the Strolling Bones, amirite?

  140. @Reg Cæsar
    @reactionry


    According to Wiki “Marcy-Holmes is the first neighborhood of Minneapolis.” Its commercial district is called “Dinkytown.”
     
    The main drag in Dinkytown is Fourth St SE. Dylan spent his time across the river on the hipper West Bank, but it's natural to wonder if "Positively Fourth Street" is as much about Dinkytown as Greenwich Village.

    "Funkytown" is a Minneapolis evergreen, written about a yearning to head for NYC by a frustrated local producer. But the title is so close to "Dinkytown" that the latter must have been an influence, if only subconsciously. I never got the pun "Lipps, Inc" until just now, reading this:


    Funkytown marks 40th anniversary

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Funkytown marks 40th anniversary

    These two Areva ad soundtracks hit different somehow

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I don't know who Minnesota's top composer-royalty champion for a single song is, but I'm willing to bet either Steven Greenberg ("Funkytown") and/or Martin Zellar ("Zamboni", ubiquitous at hockey games) is well ahead of Dylan or Prince.

  141. @JohnnyWalker123


    You shouldn't make demonstratably false claims.

    Black population in USA.

    1990: 30 million (12%)
    2000: 36.2 million (12.9%)
    2010: 42.1 million (13%)
    2019: 46.8 million (14%)

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/03/All-Blacks_Population.png

    The White juvenile arrest rate fell by 77.1% between 1996 and 2019.
    The Non-White juvenile arrest rate fell by 74.5% in the same time period.

    Your graphs refers to overall arrest rates (adult + juvenile). My statistics refer to juvenile arrest rates.

    Good for you that you don't blog under your real name. Your employer would fire you for innumeracy.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar

    A lot of that growth, perhaps a majority, comes from young, fecund immigrants.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Reg Cæsar

    What growth? Over a 30 year period that's not growth. You limp dick cucks need to understand what population growth is. It's not going from 12% to 14% over 3 decades. 16 milllion is chump change over a 30 year period for a group that was already numbering in the millions.

  142. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar


    Funkytown marks 40th anniversary

     

    These two Areva ad soundtracks hit different somehow

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNWVmMQKJ1s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agmPdxLWxhg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I don’t know who Minnesota’s top composer-royalty champion for a single song is, but I’m willing to bet either Steven Greenberg (“Funkytown”) and/or Martin Zellar (“Zamboni”, ubiquitous at hockey games) is well ahead of Dylan or Prince.

  143. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Desiderius


    Now I just listen to Mozart and Bach and what have you because that’s what my boys like.
     
    I guess you’re not really into music. There are whole decades you’ve missed since the heyday of the bands you’ve mentioned.

    One funny thing about iSteve music threads/subthreads is recurring comments that mention/boast that they haven’t listened to new music since 1973 or whenever. I guess for some people the “thrill is gone” early: I don’t just mean ‘going to shows’, I mean hearing new stuff and have it emotionally/aesthetically resonate. (Yeah, The Onion mentioned this way back).

    Beyond aging, I’m guessing there may be a lot of people here ‘on the spectrum’ for whom music in general doesn’t hit ‘em with feels or appreciation—for them, music (pop and its subgenres) is instead more of a generational signifier—the resonance for them is the memories of being young when they heard it, rather that the impact/quality of the song itself.


    Seems like Steve got into New Wave because he liked it.
     
    Steve’s tastes are pretty mainstream and are centered on mostly quality newer (at the time) “cool” bands that were playing he was hitting his stride as a young adult in undergrad and grad school. When he recalls some ‘bragging rights’ shows he went to in that era, there’s a vibe from his tone that it’s the nostalgia of the scene that stays with him most.

    Maybe Steve will chime in—Steve, do you play tunes as you work the web in your studious city wardrobe? If so, what do you listen to? Opera? Clash? Go-Gos?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvg2Dcr7AFk

    Replies: @Desiderius, @James J O'Meara

    The topic was imprinting and Steve so I was comparing the stuff I was listening to (Metallica and predecessors) when I was the age Steve was when New Age was big to what I imprinted with (70s hits that were on radio).

    I don’t mind the heavy stuff but I haven’t listened to that regularly in years. I left out what came between then and now because it wasn’t relevant. Once you’re freed from the tyranny of the now eclectic doesn’t really do justice to what you can find.

    But yeah I’ll leave staying hip to the youngsters:

    https://twitter.com/nickjfuentes/status/1408636778815406084?lang=en

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Desiderius


    The topic was imprinting and Steve
     
    Imprinting, and significantly the phenomenon of some (most?) aging adults who don’t listen to or seek out new music (pop/rock) after the youthful ‘imprinting’ stage.

    I left out what came between then and now because it wasn’t relevant.
     
    Exactly my point: “What came between then and now” isn’t relevant to you. You admitted that you currently have only a passive affinity for some (Classical) music “because that’s what my boys like.”

    Once you’re freed from the tyranny of the now eclectic doesn’t really do justice to what you can find.
     
    ?

    But yeah I’ll leave staying hip …
     
    Yeah, that sentiment is my point exactly: You (and Steve, perhaps) associate encountering new music with a desire to be hip (or youthful) rather than judging the music as is.

    … to the youngsters:
     
    Plenty of older ‘classic’ tracks on that playlist: it ranges from the late ‘60s to the present. You’re just not really into music. Many such cases.

    Nonetheless, here’s a recent song and video you might like, even if you’re not, nor have ever been, “deranged for rock and roll”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9s11MlRWVM

    Replies: @Desiderius

  144. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    The Rolling Stones are still touring, Steve. So is U2. The question is whether anyone can talk Plant and Page to reunite for one more world tour with the remnants of Zeppelin. Could be the show of a lifetime if they do manage to pull it off.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @anon, @Desiderius

    I remember paying for a pay-per-view for The Who’s final concert in 1981 or thereabouts. People just assumed everyone would move on to the next type of music and rock would go the way of the Beatles and Dave Clark Five.

  145. https://twitter.com/bronzeagemantis/status/1411731621552824320?s=20

    “Controversial yet somehow critically acclaimed”

    These guys seem to be taking “counter-intelligence” a little too seriously. Another in the seemingly endless series of Jews reverting right on through the mean.

  146. @Reg Cæsar
    @JohnnyWalker123

    A lot of that growth, perhaps a majority, comes from young, fecund immigrants.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    What growth? Over a 30 year period that’s not growth. You limp dick cucks need to understand what population growth is. It’s not going from 12% to 14% over 3 decades. 16 milllion is chump change over a 30 year period for a group that was already numbering in the millions.

  147. Thea says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Minneapolis situation is sad. It used to be one of the whitest, most generically American (ok, Germanic but still generic) and pleasant American cities.

    Why are blacks even there? It's an absolutely terrible place climatically for blacks. And then replacing the ones who--wisely--leave for Atlanta with FOB Somalis? C'mon.

    It would be nice if we could have someplace without "diversity".

    How about for every racial/ethnic group--blacks, whites, Mexicans, Jews, Muslims, Chinese, Indians, Italians, Irish, Scots-Irish, etc. etc.--we have at least one city that is only for that group and one city where that group is not allowed. Then people would have a choice. Oh, i really don't want to live around those folks ... ahhh. Or i just want to live with my own people. Or i love the rainbow.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Reg Cæsar, @Thea

    There appears to be something missing to that old quintessential American Midwest nice culture that doesn’t hold its appeal. Because forget about Jews, blacks and immigrants, the real problem and question is how did so many young white Americans turn their back on their heritage and culture.

    Antifa and BLM offer a sense of action, belonging and meaning. The death of Christianity and increase in wealth created a void of purpose that traditionalists and the alt-right haven’t really been able to fill.

  148. @Desiderius
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The topic was imprinting and Steve so I was comparing the stuff I was listening to (Metallica and predecessors) when I was the age Steve was when New Age was big to what I imprinted with (70s hits that were on radio).

    I don’t mind the heavy stuff but I haven’t listened to that regularly in years. I left out what came between then and now because it wasn’t relevant. Once you’re freed from the tyranny of the now eclectic doesn’t really do justice to what you can find.

    But yeah I’ll leave staying hip to the youngsters:

    https://twitter.com/nickjfuentes/status/1408636778815406084?lang=en

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The topic was imprinting and Steve

    Imprinting, and significantly the phenomenon of some (most?) aging adults who don’t listen to or seek out new music (pop/rock) after the youthful ‘imprinting’ stage.

    I left out what came between then and now because it wasn’t relevant.

    Exactly my point: “What came between then and now” isn’t relevant to you. You admitted that you currently have only a passive affinity for some (Classical) music “because that’s what my boys like.”

    Once you’re freed from the tyranny of the now eclectic doesn’t really do justice to what you can find.

    ?

    But yeah I’ll leave staying hip …

    Yeah, that sentiment is my point exactly: You (and Steve, perhaps) associate encountering new music with a desire to be hip (or youthful) rather than judging the music as is.

    … to the youngsters:

    Plenty of older ‘classic’ tracks on that playlist: it ranges from the late ‘60s to the present. You’re just not really into music. Many such cases.

    Nonetheless, here’s a recent song and video you might like, even if you’re not, nor have ever been, “deranged for rock and roll”.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Dude, you're not listening to a word I'm saying.

    We're. Done. Thx for playing.

    Replies: @anon

  149. I tried to post that graphic showing that the increase in murder victims in CA over 2020 is disproportionately black, but FB says it “violates community standards.”

    Why does Zuck hate blacks?

  150. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Desiderius


    Now I just listen to Mozart and Bach and what have you because that’s what my boys like.
     
    I guess you’re not really into music. There are whole decades you’ve missed since the heyday of the bands you’ve mentioned.

    One funny thing about iSteve music threads/subthreads is recurring comments that mention/boast that they haven’t listened to new music since 1973 or whenever. I guess for some people the “thrill is gone” early: I don’t just mean ‘going to shows’, I mean hearing new stuff and have it emotionally/aesthetically resonate. (Yeah, The Onion mentioned this way back).

    Beyond aging, I’m guessing there may be a lot of people here ‘on the spectrum’ for whom music in general doesn’t hit ‘em with feels or appreciation—for them, music (pop and its subgenres) is instead more of a generational signifier—the resonance for them is the memories of being young when they heard it, rather that the impact/quality of the song itself.


    Seems like Steve got into New Wave because he liked it.
     
    Steve’s tastes are pretty mainstream and are centered on mostly quality newer (at the time) “cool” bands that were playing he was hitting his stride as a young adult in undergrad and grad school. When he recalls some ‘bragging rights’ shows he went to in that era, there’s a vibe from his tone that it’s the nostalgia of the scene that stays with him most.

    Maybe Steve will chime in—Steve, do you play tunes as you work the web in your studious city wardrobe? If so, what do you listen to? Opera? Clash? Go-Gos?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvg2Dcr7AFk

    Replies: @Desiderius, @James J O'Meara

    “When he recalls some ‘bragging rights’ shows he went to in that era, there’s a vibe from his tone that it’s the nostalgia of the scene that stays with him most.”

    Schopenhauer observed that the essence of nostalgia is not the contents — we don’t really want to do that again or hear that again — but the desire to have that chunk of time back to use today.

  151. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Desiderius


    The topic was imprinting and Steve
     
    Imprinting, and significantly the phenomenon of some (most?) aging adults who don’t listen to or seek out new music (pop/rock) after the youthful ‘imprinting’ stage.

    I left out what came between then and now because it wasn’t relevant.
     
    Exactly my point: “What came between then and now” isn’t relevant to you. You admitted that you currently have only a passive affinity for some (Classical) music “because that’s what my boys like.”

    Once you’re freed from the tyranny of the now eclectic doesn’t really do justice to what you can find.
     
    ?

    But yeah I’ll leave staying hip …
     
    Yeah, that sentiment is my point exactly: You (and Steve, perhaps) associate encountering new music with a desire to be hip (or youthful) rather than judging the music as is.

    … to the youngsters:
     
    Plenty of older ‘classic’ tracks on that playlist: it ranges from the late ‘60s to the present. You’re just not really into music. Many such cases.

    Nonetheless, here’s a recent song and video you might like, even if you’re not, nor have ever been, “deranged for rock and roll”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9s11MlRWVM

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Dude, you’re not listening to a word I’m saying.

    We’re. Done. Thx for playing.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Desiderius

    Dude, you’re not listening to a word I’m saying.

    Lucky him!

    We’re. Done.

    Promise, promises. Dude, you're the kind that always come back.

    For. More.

  152. @Alden
    @Michelle

    As my district attorney friend observed; black victims are as bad as their killers.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Michelle

    I had a fan of a blog I used to have, who was an assistant DA in charge of juvenile crime, in a major southern city. He pointed out once, that he had very few, “Innocent victims”, among his cases.

  153. 16.3% + 83.0% = 99.3%. Wheres the other 0.7%?

  154. @Desiderius
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Dude, you're not listening to a word I'm saying.

    We're. Done. Thx for playing.

    Replies: @anon

    Dude, you’re not listening to a word I’m saying.

    Lucky him!

    We’re. Done.

    Promise, promises. Dude, you’re the kind that always come back.

    For. More.

  155. The number of homicides that took the lives of Black Californians rose 36% from 2019 to 2020, while homicides that took Hispanic lives rose 30%. By comparison, the number of white homicide victims rose 15% and the number of Asian victims rose 10%.

    Schools and sports programs shut down as COVID-19 surged, and large numbers of community programs that provide support and intervention services for at-risk youth.

    “They were bored,” said Reynaldo Reaser, executive director of Reclaiming America’s Communities Through Empowerment (R.A.C.E.), which offers sports leagues, gang mediation and youth development in impoverished neighborhoods of Los Angeles. “And so, having nothing to do — no programs, no sports, no facilities open — the only thing they could focus on is each other.”
    https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/nation/california/2021/05/16/homicides-surged-27-california-2020-during-covid-19-pandemic/5096101001/

  156. @Mr. Anon
    I suppose the Government could attempt to close the homicide gap by having the FBI murder white people at random.

    Oh, I forgot, they already do that.

    https://www.corbettreport.com/?s=trentadue

    Replies: @El Dato

    What?

  157. @AceDeuce
    @Alden

    After Jeffery Dahmer's arrest, a female crime reporter from one of the Milwaukee newspapers--an old school journalism veteran--the kind of "broad" who could match the men shot for shot at the bar and then bang out a damned good story at the typewriter in no time flat with a cigarette hanging out of her mouth, came out with a book about the murders.

    One of the interesting features, for which she got a lot of criticism, was an appendix at the end in which she listed all of Dahmer's victims-along with each of their own police records, which, in most of the cases, were considerable.

    Replies: @Michelle

    Yeah, but still, they encountered a super, super, predator, to beat all predators. If Dahmer was born in a different time or place, say New Guinea, or New Zealand, he would have been head, head hunter in charge.

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